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BTM134: Start From Scratch Property Management with Jim Murray

Before the Millions

54:59 min | 1 year ago

BTM134: Start From Scratch Property Management with Jim Murray

"This is the right girl list into the before the millions podcast episode one thirty four. Are you ready to be the master architect in your life. Are you ready to design your business and invest in needs. That commit the lifestyle. You've always dreamt up. Are you ready to learn from entrepreneurs and millionaires. Did you ever see a certain level of success. Hey this is Derek Location Independent Entrepreneur. And you're listening to the before the millions podcast. I am Gina Lofton. I am an investor. And you're listening. Thanks to the before the millions podcast. Hey there my name is. Heather Haven would marketing coach and global entrepreneur. And you are listening to the before for the millions podcast. Hey this is mark with the host of the seven minute mentor. PODCAST global entrepreneur all round Geek. And you listen to the before. The millions podcasts. I am MC lobster the cash linenger and you're listening to before the million spot cost you're listening to the before the millions podcast a whether you're looking to invest more cash flow all built an online business that allows you to be location independent. You've come to the right place. Mr Hollywood himself presents resist the before the millions. Now you're rose diriye would it will be. TM tribe welcome to another installment installment one before the before the millions pastime your host d'auray Eliya and on today's episode. I featuring Mr Jim Murray Jim is not only a real estate investor. He is also a property manager. He became an investor first first and then he saw potential in the property management industry and he head first so on today's episode. We're going to discuss your only to walk you to give you examples. We're GONNA show you exactly how you can start a property management business from from scratch with no experience not through ts in the industry. Just yet we're going to be all the tools on this to make sure that you can make it happen now. This is one of my favorite episodes today. One thing that Jim touched on that I really like is the fact that he was not only looking to achieve freedom in his finances he was looking for for the things that we love to harp. On on this podcast when it comes to lifestyle so he was looking for financial friedel he was looking for a location freedom and he was looking for time for you now Jin. Today's managing over seven hundred units. so He's been able to achieve financial freedom and his time Priem. He's he's still working on the third location freedom and that's because he's in the middle of building out his team right so then he can officially become location independent. I just love exploring in different business models in real estate and and seeing how people have built their business from scratch and Kinda showing you guys that it's possible for you not only possible awesome free but it's probable for you once you've got to the point where you've made a decision to get started in that quake and what's really cool about the the freedom that a lot of seeking especially special income stuff financial freedom location freedom. It may surprisingly be easier than you think a lot of people. They're looking say for Wenden unnamed future or maybe the goal is to save a million dollars so that you're earning ten percent a year right so that'd be one hundred twenty thousand dollars a year passive income and that's money that you can live off at that point made us result will now be financially free or I'll have my time back or I'll be location. Independent oftentimes those goals financial freedom the caption independence are are are quite literally in our grass. And it's not until we shift our thinking how we can get there faster now today that that things really start to happen and take off. I was just talking to a listener a few days ago. Ron One on one column. We were helping her get started real estate and She's an entrepreneur. Traveling Entrepreneur. Locations Independent arouses fascinated by her story. She currently lives in Los Angeles and she is the older bookkeeping service right so she had similar backgrounds With she went in the accounting industry. She realized she didn't WanNa be there within a few muscles able to promote yourself on some of these online platforms in tell people. Hey I offer bookkeeping services if you need services. Hey let me know and Today just a few months later. She's at the point. where she she has to say? No Aw to a Lotta the inquiries that are coming in. Just a few clients that Radically changed her. Life was just say four or five clients. She's currently managing their books and it because she's managing their books. And it's super easy to do. You can do it from anywhere in the Rose untravelled laptop. She's not only been able to achieve replacing her income. Come at her old job but also location independence which allows her again to travel to the most countries. She's been too and now she can start working on financial freedom while already living the lifestyle. I saw that she wants so she's not a millionaire by any stretch of the imagination and she most likely doesn't have a six figure business but what. She understands that if she can't Created enough income and she can make that income in a fashion that allows her to be location independent that she's already achieved goals before even really getting starting already so ultimately. What I'm saying is this if you know your goals and they're clear they're concise? It's much easier. Process trying to navigate to those holes. Now do WANNA interrupt although she's not financially free she's created a lifestyle that works for her and she's living that life today not waiting four someday in the future and that's partly because she doesn't believe that one thing must come before another but again a lot of this clarity comes with crystal clear. Goals Gulls Right. She has her time freedom. She can work whenever she wants. She has location independence and the word. Vichy's doing wean covers her expenses so technically she's not financially free but who suspended. She's not already been her ultimate lifestyle design on the way to financial freedom. You I love these niches. I love hearing about different. Niches at individuals are using to create the lifestyle. Is I and very similar GIN. He started a property management agent business to create his ultimate lifestyle. And we really get into guys. We're GONNA get into the numbers how much you should charge as a property manager. How how much you make is a property manager as opposed to investor? We're GONNA get into some of the responsibilities of property management company. So you're gonNA leave this episode with the wealth of information if you're looking to add a property management business line like Jim Dude or if you're looking to get into property management full force. It's funny I've had a few people hit me up the INSTAGRAM. VM's guys if we're not yet connected on instagram around. My instagram handle is smart. I last name Doria later. I had a few few people view instagram. DM's that are looking to start property management company so this episode is being released at the right time and help you guys get a lot of value for me. And even if you're not in this industry like like listen to your podcast to become an investor right right. It's really an episode where the ideas and the concepts bleed into other businesses lead into your investment strategy. I know that halfway through the conversation we talk about a member of before the man's mastermind and we talk about cold calling his metrics and that type of conversation is an eye opener for anybody in sales for anybody who's pounding the pavement for anybody. WHO's making calls door knocking? Whatever it is that you're doing it's real eye opener so again even if you're not leading to start a property management company of this episode is going to contain a wealth of knowledge now this episode some road episode one thirty three thirty to thirty one and a ton more in the database they're highlighting different realistic strategies? And I was like to say the all these strategies Money ultimately. I want you to think about what your overall goal his and then I want you to reverse engineer l get into this a little bit of the week but if you don't already know my guide is officially out the before the millions movies guy and this guy is actually GonNa help you filtering through exactly how you in particular should get. You started in real estate. That's all right before the Maine's dot com forward slash guide. Okay guys again like I said. This is one of my favorite episodes date because Jim just dropped so much value okay. I can't wait for you guys to hear it but first let's get to the tip of the week to raise tip of the week. Okay so this is where the rubber meets the road. Don't you want to get started in real estate or you want to get started in any business venture. I think this applies across the board but I believe that there are five things thanks to consider so these five things to consider when starting a new business venture thing number one to consider vision. What is your overall vision? Leisure the overall goal. What are you looking to achieve by setting now on this journey once you have that in place and you have a solidified? Things get so breezy because because now you can distinguish between things that get you to your vision and things that just sound good or look good or make money right another thing that considers your budget. What what do you have to work with? Our resources. Budget doesn't necessarily mean money but it can mean budgeting your time budgeting other resources. But yes what is your budget. What is your monetary How much can you spend per month and when you know this again you're going to be able to really really cool in on exactly what you should be doing and how you should be going one about your journey at your process? Nether considered your skills your skill set. Where do your particular skills fit in the grand scheme of things and does it help or hinder you to take on certain tasks or circle or certain strategy you also want to consider mindset and mindset may sound like fluff but this may be the most important piece because your journey is not going to get started if one you don't take risks to? You're not of a winning mindset and three it's not gonNA continue it's not gonNA progressive arrested. You're not going to meet your goal if you don't have an abundance mindset and if you don't have the mindset that allows you to stick it through times okay last at least a fifteen is your strategy strategy and this is a big because you may have a vision. You may have your budget sorted out you may have the right mindset. You may have all the skills necessary to perform the tasks that you want to do but yet instill you may be going in the wrong way. Your strategy may not line up with your goals and I see this far far too often. Heck I was a victim to it multiple times. You may have chosen your strategy based on emotion or maybe even the money aspect of things so it's important to make sure that you have the right strategy when you get started normalcy Oregon guys any business venture so with a vision with Rice strategy. Satiety your budget in place the right mindset and skills I think those are the fundamental key pieces for successful entrepreneur 'til sometime this afternoon this evening take the time to really understand in and become one with your vision and it's not somebody else's adopted vision it is your vision for what you want for your life and we walk through your family's life that's super clear we can start breaking down your mind to the skills in your budget and your strategy and again guys. I have a guy that walks you through this entire process. It's all right before the Maine's dot com for slash guide God alternately. Were you want to be as you want to be in a place of confidence about what it is is pursuing how long it's GonNa take you to get and what it's going to take to get there. The best way I know how to do that is to start with the overall vision. People say all the time if I knew then what I know now I would do differently. Hindsight's twenty twenty right. You'll you still have mistakes. You'll still have the jump over hurdles. You'll still have roadblocks after route but I want to help you circling back. A lot of the unnecessary. Necessarily roadblocks invite can do that. Then I consider that a job well done okay is going to get to the show and now your the feature presentation on today's episode. I'm super excited to introduce you. Guys Mr Jenn Murray Jim. How's it going today? I'm good good. I am crazy excited to be here. Hopefully I can share some great Golden Nuggets with the Audience Jefferson my insight from the ups and downs of real estate on the property rematch business. It's crazy right. It's been a crazy right. We'll get some crazy right. I want to know about that but I talked to you. Yes so I'm based out of Rhode Island and I manage property in Rhode Island and southeastern Massachusetts So did the chicken coop before the AGR- bag before the did you start. Investing and then guidance probably management or did you probably management's I can invest or. Did you kind of do both well. How how did that happen? Yes so I bought my first multifamily and I bought my first multifamily stabilized. It caught the real estate bug and I was trying to figure out. What do I do next so I started wholesaling? The first list that I'd mailed was owners with high hi equity other multifamily owners than I dove into very quickly probate list and then lastly inherited list. I've never received so many death threats for mailing list. Listen my life when I mailed that inherited lists like how'd you how'd you get this information. I'm like I'm just mailing a high equity list. It did not go. My First Wholesale Celio was a three family in Attleboro Massachusetts Hint. As soon as I got that phone call at the price on the phone. I knew that I could make it happen. I very quickly realized. Having conversations stations across those three separate lists who I was really good at speaking to and those retired landlords. That's what I was really boast entrusted. I've always been focused on. Achieving financial freedom and a friend recently has three feet at freedoms group on facebook so he talks about financial freedom time freedom and location freedom freedom. So that's what I've been more focused on recently I definitely have time freedom a little bit of financial freedom but it's all about that geography or location freedom trying to chase now so not. They're always trying to get a little bit better. And my goal was always to achieve that through passive income from real estate so it started with my first four unit property got into wholesaling but a second four-year property flipped a couple of houses and then I caught a bad review. It my full time job. So that was kind of that was kind of the push but during that whole process when I when I started thinking about property management when you've really break down the numbers to see what investor nets on a monthly basis per door on a multifamily property. It's really similar to the management fee. Be that a property manager makes so in our area Investors typically in to make one hundred twenty five to one hundred fifty dollars net per door on multifamily investment. Now it's going to be different in any area that you're in my miniature fees. Aren't that high outs. Middle of the road for in the market that we're in But they're very similar so I thought to myself. Hey if I don't have all this capital go buy a ton of properties. If I become a property management something that I enjoy the process that I like to live day in and day out then I can essentially build a property. Management Company escaped by nine to five gain. Some of that time freedom through the right systems. But but I'm essentially making the same as an investor would in part of the strategy behind that too. Is that if you build a great company you stand stand by your wording. Do the right things. There's an a life cycle to any investment right or a life to any investor. So you get in you. Buy Property hopefully hold for a long time. But eventually you're going to sell so if you've been working with a property manager for a long period of time you're probably coming to me I when you go to sell that property to ask ask me. Hey Jim do you want to buy it. You have investor that wants to buy it and I think it's a really cool opportunity as we continue to grow this business where five years young now but as our investor base starts to age in terms of the people that we work with. We're GONNA have more and more of those opportunities to purchase more property out of the portfolio. We already manage. It's an asset that we're familiar with. And there may be an opportunity for seller financing based on trust that we've built with those clients so that was really the thought process of why property management so. We've really focused on growing our management portfolio. Were just under seven hundred units today and then more easily even focused on working with the right clients as we see the writing on the wall that were very late in this real estate cycles you know we could. We could definitely talk about the investment side of things and also talk about the property giving management side of things but this podcast is predicated on lifestyle design. You name three things we look for time. Freedom you're looking for financial freedom. Location independence absolute. Those are the same. I'm exact things that I was looking for when I had a corporate W Job I was just like do like. I'm working seventy hours a week for somebody else. Paying half my money to the government in taxes about half is going to the bank and credit cards and student loans and that whole year my entire my entire sweat equity as gone to accompany accompanied hoping that has not recognized me for the work that I've been put in an I also andy fulfilment right. Because I was I was a big four accounting mazing. Yeah I was so I was always in real estate but but it sounds on. I'm just making sure the numbers add up so that we had right at my accounting from the clients that we had like they were seen success. They were seeing progress. They were getting their financials. Right based on what the big picture was and why they hired my firm. But I'm making sure the seven plus three as ten like I don't I don't get any fulfillment. I don't get any satisfaction so immediately just like do like I got to control my time again and you notice about it's about owning your own destiny. That's the biggest part right so as entrepreneurs a Lotta people joke that you know. We're working eighty hours so we don't work forty for somebody else but a lot of us are willing to put in that time because we own the outcome outcome and this is this is work right now. Jim Work Right. This is where the best. That's the best part that in these. I I really enjoy these conversations being on podcasts or talking with other entrepreneurs I had I have an apparel guy and then he also signs as well but he came out yesterday in. He works with a plethora of other entrepreneurs in the area and I always love calling them out. Because it's not just about buying another sign buying more Powell. Bree tells me stories about these other entrepreneurs preneurs and based on the business that I have it leads to other opportunities around Matt Right So when you talk about this being work that's the most exciting part. Art is like I get to deal with other entrepreneurs all day learns stories from them and hopefully this is a big golden nugget for the audience to whatever industry. You're in if you WANNA WANNA differentiate yourself. Don't look within the industry right so a lot of folks will look within the industry that they're in if I'm in Rhode Island Look Property Manager in California. Maybe your property manager for New York see the different things that they're doing and that's cool to a certain extent in terms of maybe trying to find the best technology to work with or you know a couple of other different things that you could take from from the leverage in your own business but I think that's really foundational if you want to build something massive you have to go to other industries outside of your own and bring bring those back so like look at apple recently. They're not looking at their competitors right in the different market segments that they're in now getting into the Financial World Wither Apple Credit Card right so they'll looking outside the four walls in different industries to figure out how to continue to expand and bring it home so if you want to be a successful entrepreneur like for me don't just look in the property. Management Industry Look at other local businesses other national businesses. That are doing really cool things and see if we can mirror some of that or bring back that that type of ideology back into art business. That is beautiful beautiful. I love that concept Holds true for every industry right for every lesson that we learned in life. I think is super invaluable to take those experiences and apply that to your current situation. That's beautiful Jim. Let's let's walk through. Let's let's help somebody mighty. Let's hope a few people build from scratch their property management business rial. You've done it you have you manage over seven hundred units but I wanNA talk about that the first one and maybe not your first one but I want I wanna I wanNA imagine individual food who who's on the list of this podcast mobike do it. I don't even know what took charge where to go what to say. Who to turn to? Where two finely? I don't know any of this stuff like give me like you know and I don't want you guys because you know people insight. Hey option so I'm still kind of hazy like I want to somebody a specific number to charge K.. Like charging six percent. We're charging ten percent right and then again you keep in mind that you were in the head of the first time property manager somebody who just needs to manage their first. They can leverage that right to build their portfolio love. This I've got a great story from this weekend. Yes so for years. I've asked my partner Chris our first client his name is Tim. He had a three family in a D. Neighborhood in Providence Rhode Island and for years on my Chris Tim that he was our first client. He's like Nah Nah. It doesn't matter. Data doesn't matter. Chris married on Saturday right so It's been a crazy week for me. As he's on his honeymoon and I'm trying to maintain everything but at Christmas is wedding. Tim was there and I walk up. This and I'm like hey how's IT Goin'. And he goes. You know that. I know that I was your first client right like in some. I'm like I'm glad that you're stuck with us. He's like you guys hit the ground running legitimate like victims of the problem tenant that he had we got in they returned heard it over. We've got all of his rents up in. He was able to sell that he came to us right and he said what do you think. It's worth like three or four years ago before the market really started take back off in in Rhode Island's always the last state of the nation. Come out of the recession and I told him I said listen. I think it's probably worth one sixty. He's like Hey Jim has really cool. I got an offer from one. Eighty five from analyst investor. I'M GONNA dump it when you try to sell it at one hundred and thirty before we turned it around and he couldn't get rid of it so that was a really cool story when we hit the ground running But Tim was a referral from Chris's now wife but then girlfriend. So I think if you're going to start your own property man business start with your natural network. There is someone that you know that owns multifamily property. Even if it's just helping them out get yourself a little bit of street cred because I host another podcast with a partner as well. He talks about kind of real estate investing as a three legged stool right. So whether you have the experience the time or the capital so in the beginning if you're launching a property management company you have to have the time you don't have to have the experience with the capital so try to leverage your time. Help somebody else out. The other. Big thing is we were sitting in that initial conversation with him. It was at six PM. Sorry Hatami nine to five and it snowing outside. I think in the middle of January and we said hey tim You know our management fee is ten percent. What do you think about it? He's about it. I know because in in the beginning like you're trying to quote it was an interesting conversation. Sure but now we have more fine sales process as we on the business. Quick before you get to the story. Is that how somebody that starting now should approach like. Hey let's figure out what works for us. Yes so I would say in the beginning. It doesn't even have to be a client. It just could be someone that you know that owns multifamily properties to get your feet wet so then you have that first client conversation. We're going to charge that fee and then you can be more constantly because your level level of confidence from doing it now if you already own multifamily property skip step one step two. During that conversation with Tim he said don't care about the percentage percentage. I'm a blue collar guy. I just WanNa know what might dollar fee is on a monthly basis per unit. So I looked at Chris and made a game time decision. I'm like seventy seventy five dollars. A unit gametime. Tim's like all right. Cool 'cause we looked at his ranson as rents were below market and I was like by the way we can pay ourselves seventy five dollars a unit. What's on the contract? He signed it and we're off to the races so I think that's that's big up front like quick recap recap know your free yet on. A percentage basis or on a on a fee and actual you know actual disclosed fee basis. No you're right. No exactly who your market is so this can be again. Networking like talking to people Seeing if you have any investors in your circumference who properties especially multibeam so no your fee and had one more but it's slipped my mind but so you triggered one of my head if I can catch a short. Yeah so exactly what you're leading So I used to work for a big financial firm and say hey listen. These are the three target client profiles right so it was like Johnny Sally and Suzy so in our business I always always talk about like what an ideal client looks like so in the beginning. Maybe it's not one hundred percent necessary but it's gonNA definitely help refine the vision. I'm huge on. The book. Called the the secret by Rhonda Byrne will you set that. Ten S with the universe attracts you. kind of sounds like some hippy. Stuff profile the type of client that you WANNA work with. That's really going to help about beginning so we quickly learned and this was tim too. Tim a small business owner. We WanNa work with other entrepreneurs for a couple of different reasons but the main reason as as as an entrepreneur you have to take some type of leap of faith and you have to have trust in the process so I find and this isn't I would say this isn't in a stereotype. This is tried and true from my experience. Folks who have a nine to five job that hire a property manager are typically more micrometres it just natural part of the process somewhere more board micro managers than others but an entrepreneur really has trust in the process and the like. Hey guys here it is take care of it. Something monthly statements might have a couple of questions. That's me but but like hey listen I trust you now. Stuff goes sideways. Like you're definitely going to hear me but I'm GONNA A- and I'm GonNa like as long as we have a good conversation upfront and set that vision of like this is we're at. This is where we can go and then you just handed off right. So we always target the small business on or the entrepreneurial culture other aspect of that is like folks in the nine to five their first investment is probably not going to be multifamily. It's probably going to be in a 401K. which when employers mattress certain percent? That's a great first person investment. I feel that small business owners and entrepreneurs they wanna see it right so they want to be able to unified not managing their property. They want to drive by it. So I think based on those two factors when when we think about that type of client that we want to specifically target like that's how he said it. We want to work with other entrepreneurs and that may be different for other folks when they start out in the business but I would create what that ideal client. Looks like Not to go into dating too much but it's almost like everyone has I I don't know not profile. But they have a specific type of spouse that they may want to Mary or or be with right. So some I'll I'll be a little bit of a guy now but like some guys like blondes brunettes like it's the same. It's very similar to that. Yeah I I love. I love that analogy too so i WanNa talk about now that we kind of have metrics. I kinda WanNa talk about responsibilities right and maybe even before responsibility ability I think about I think about the person just now starting. I know it's hard for you to do at this point and it's definitely hard for me to do having never been a property manager but I think about somebody starting now and again just going down a very similar real estate track to being an investor right when you start on property management. I imagine that one one of the things that gave you confidence because you can get competence number of different ways and one of those ways is experience one that gave you confidence was experienced. Because you you already were in investor yes. Some people may be jumping in day may not be investors. Would it be a good idea for them to go and work for a property management company. I or is that so like yeah yes so I would tell you that just this week. I think it shows a fortunate circumstance for the amount of work that we've put in but I had Three different folks reach out to see if we're hiring now one at interviewed for row before she took another job before. You're ready to pull the trigger into others. Were like straight calls our. DM's on instagram program. About hey what are you guys doing with love to learn. Even if I'm you guys aren't paying me. Just WanNa be a part of the process to learn the property management side of things My partner came from another property management business before we get into business together and that gave him a level of experience and confidence even though he had an own a multifamily previously. I think that's so that's a really good idea of how to get comfortable with with being a property manager if you don't own investment property now I think that's a great idea. What are some of the things if you were like going out to work for property management company? What is some of the things that you should be cognizant of which lets us you look out for and relate this as it relates to responsibilities right so so now the question now that you got your first property under management right? What are your responsibilities like are you? Are you responsible for increase in rent or you're responsible for getting bids on on on repairs right so when you're when you again going back to the fact that you're going to work for a property management company. What should you be keenly aware of in the processes is that they're doing and what they're responsible for first and foremost if you want to have success as a property manager you have to own the outcome if you want to be successful you got to be strictly accountable particularly if you're brand new to the business you are going to make mistakes and the right clients? I mean as long as you're not losing thousands of dollars are going to be okay with that as long as you own the outcome some of our best clients. We haven't had perfect relationships with but I would tell you that. No property managers perfect. So I'm going to flip the script a little bit. If you're an investor looking for a property manager I would tell you to find one that has a similar investment strategy Jay to what you're looking for but recognize. They are never going to be perfect. You may get one. That's really good on the leasing side of thing. Really tight on financials but maintenance maybe a little bit slow find one that fits you know wherever you're hot. Topic is in terms of like you WANNA have a high level of success. Make sure they're really good at that component but no that no. No one is going to be perfect. We have large client that we are their fourth property manager over the course of the year and that always worries me but I think that they're newer investors. They scale the very quickly and I don't think that folks gave them the right amount of time but I don't think that the other property managers has provided the right level of coaching too. So you recognize the property manager of these boats that you come up with. I actually happened to me and Eh for me it was. Hey these property managers and executing the plan that we discussed yet so I think that's great so if they're not executing move on absolutely one hundred percent if they're not gonNA execute and I will add a little tidbit in their third party management company. I hired in this process us back when I hired them. I wasn't really Kane on looking over contracts so they had a ton of clauses in there one that really we really hampered me the causes called but it was to the effect of. I'm not allowed to sue them. I'm not allowed to go after that. Really really hampered hampered me until this day like I read every single contract because management company. A kind of what happened. But but no I get some of that Tormo. That's why I'm just like do like for for people going in like I need people to be clear on what their responsibilities are and kind of what's expected of them so you touched on on the top three. I think there may be more. You touched on leasing. It's on the financials incest on maintenance if you can think of Off The top of my head I think about those as the three pillars. So like when someone comes in and a lot of times investors call. I think that this is completely the wrong method. Investors call and it happened in our ago. Jim Interested in finding a property three manager. How much do you cost? What your pricing? If you're looking for a property manager pricing you have to establish a value proposition. But when you get on that phone call it's really about figuring out if you WANNA work together with them. This was like a marriage right in real estate to make sure that they're gonNA take care of your pride and joy your the property or multiple investment properties. So I try to redirect that conversation. Say Hey you know. Have a current property manager have worked for the property manager previously. Where you're coming from? What are your current headaches? Sometimes people call and they'll they'll have an issue that is consistent across the property management industry. So if you're an investor with you know a single goal unit are single family and you're working with larger property manager. You may not get as much time as you want. They may not have the bandwidth to you know. Get on the phone with you for an hour a day. So you really really gonNA figure out what the right fit is so have that conversation up front to say. Hey this is what I'm trying to software and then have the property metro. Tell you yep I can solve a with X. be with Y ANC Z.. If that fits than step at the pricing beautiful you know. It's it's like asking asleep. It was somebody on the first date right. That's like. Hey what's your pricing. I figure out if you're compatible first before you dive right in the gym. Let's get back into your story. Let let's let's talk to the marketing arm of Your Business and I'm going to I'm going to. I'm going to actually talk to the marketing arms of Your Business and cut off one of the arms. The probably the biggest source of new lease. I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's referrals when we started it wasn't now it. Is it okay absolutely is so. Let's cut off the referral. Let's cut off that arm and let's talk to called leads when you're looking at your business. Structure Run where your marketing where the the highest percentage of cold leads converting from the cold leads originally started as our first one hundred fifty units camp from thumb tack back which is crazy thumb tack has really changed their strategy use. It costs like three to five dollars per lead in a lot of folks on thumb tack at least in the property management so business where Tyre kickers Not Looking to pay a lot or at least not finding the value proposition of a property manager. Second Code lead us to come in from. I'm Scott all property management. It's a billion company so building them is a software provider within the property management industry and then they also had all property management which provided about it leads. They were like a hundred. I don't know it all depends on the area because you can bet it up if there are multiple property managers there so like say you say all right. I'm willing to pay one hundred ten. I three family. We why can pay one fifteen and to show is the number one ranked manager in the air. Because I'm paying eighteen year. Pay One time. I will tell you that the leads that came in from there were really hot for a while. So that helped us maybe pick up like another fifty to seventy five units so those are two lead sources. There's no another uncalled manage. My property dot com another pay per lead. I thought that was really solid. The other best place or property manage to go and hunt down leads. I would say that these maybe not stone cold. But they're a little bit warmer bigger pockets so bigger pockets dot com when you go out there and you start. Interacting with other local investors following allowing like providence or Rhode Island or Boston to meet other investors in the area. That is going to naturally help you. Establish relationships to build into that referral business I know. Are you cut off my right arm and the referral. If I can start on bigger pockets it helps me kind of regret that armed to to gain those referrals. I think that's really important and that's been something that I focused on this year. Not so much bigger pockets but like how do you. I'm thinking about how I grow my arm back right. Even though unit tasked with that So my number one business school. This year was called. Kill him with content right so see if I can get on some podcasts. If I can watch my own podcast push push out valuable content daily daily on instagram. And then at least you know every couple of days on facebook so for my own my own business we launched a line chronicles and my business partners like dude. This is crazy Z.. Annoy your spending. You spend a lot more time but I was like it. Takes me like ten to fifteen minutes. Issued a sub. One Minute video with a quick tip in what started happening outing was we would start to go out to look at properties and Chris went out and you met with a couple of different realtors into like Chris. York with Jimmy Lyon Right. He's yet get him and all you see. Is facebook videos all the time so I think that publishing that content is huge. In even if you're starting out and you don't know as much you know anytime you come across a tip like publish a video that videos out there forever. You put it on Youtube Channel as you get those cold sales sales calls. If someone asked a question about you know what is your application process. Or how do you screen Senate. Hey you know what I'm GonNa talk to that right now. If you haven't filed questions like check out this youtube video that I shot to just show you who I am and I think that helps introduce people to you and also to your brand. I love that Frank Erne because that intent base marketing and that's beautiful hostal mastermind. This much mine is comprised of a real estate entrepreneurs that have different businesses in real estate one of which is a property commander in the he. He was Kinda down a few weeks ago. And I just KINDA WANNA speak to a numbers He'll listens so I want to speak to his numbers real quick and I'm sure he doesn't mind me sharing sorry but he he calls for sale by owners right. He called love that he called calls for sale by owners. He doesn't thirty minutes a day at work right so a total of two and and a half hours a week. He calls around four hundred people right and his success rate. How many leads he gets from? That is about ten percent so he gets about. Oh that's good that's conversion. Yeah I mean this is what he brought to the mass around like. I don't think I don't think this is worth my time. Oh I think I should focus on my meet ups and some of these other things that he's doing and bring like Ooh let me break this down like so again ten percent. That's unheard of right. I think I think that's a solid number that you can have forty solid conversations out of four hundred. That's a good clip and those people about six percent become clients I saw in an August. I was four in August was a four hundred thirty eight Leads to to clients and then in September was four hundred like like forty two or so leads. Three clients might do so I would so. I think that those numbers are right where they should be right so we think about like you're absolute salie calling calling people called I. Would I would bet that you can convert one out of one hundred right but guess what those other ninety nine that you don't convert they now know who you are and then my favorite thing to do and hopefully this is like a great golden nugget. I had no idea how to sell anything when I started right. And that. And that's like case in point when I was hates them. What do you think about our management fee stupid dumb right but if ominous narrow where I find that would not a good fit for someone or I can even use this to check the conversation to see if it's warm or cold? I use the referral close like learned that from grant down like I'll get to a point if either want redirect the conversation or just kind of get a gut check to see for head in the right direction. I'll say hey listen. It sounds like we're having a good conversation. You have anybody else who may be tired landlord that I could help. And if they kind of stop and think about our say oh yeah I have a friend one they have trust in your but to you may have a second lead. So that's the biggest thing on all of those qualities right so that I use a referral clothes all the time and my team is like dude. You use anything else like I use a couple of other things but I really. I really liked that wanted effective for me. So that's what I continue to use so you know what I think about the metrics that you just shared. I think that those are actually really strong numbers. I'm glad you're in a grants because you've been in this industry for a long time but me knowing that I deal with investors everyday who call for sale by owners and their numbers. Aren't that high. I was like dude. You're killing it like what. What are you talking about if anything you need to find time to make these calls and I was like what's the average CA- what's the average What's the average revenue per client like? How much are these clients worth and then we broke right now and then we broke down? What his hourly right was just based off of that he was like Whoa it works? It works right. It's a beautiful process. But but I think the the overall message here is that there's a system and there are metrics and you're tracking those metrics and once you know those metrics you can you can literally forger decimate speaking of vessel Jimmy. What's it's what's the plan for you? What what what's the goal? Seven hundred units managing and all the investment. You have you talked about lifestyle designing talked about hitting two out of the three. When do you and I'm going to hold you to this right on the spot you plan on hitting the third one in? What does that look like for you? Yeah so I would love to accomplish the third one in the next five years. Here's and it's all a matter of scaling team so we're really well positioned for that Part of the toughest thing for us and growing our company is finding the right people people. I read this book in College and absolutely hinted in college but now I kind of live and die by the mantra this book. It's called good to great by Jim Collins and he talks about if you WANNA take that business us from good to great. It's not only about getting the right people on the bus but getting them in the right seats so candidly like we've struggled with that. Like hiring is probably probably one of the most difficult things as you start to what you create that great core team it starts to get easier and easier. So we're really well positioned for that now and I think get over the course of the next five years I'll be able to grow or gain that location freedom where as long as I have Wifi and cell coverage I can help management business from essentially anywhere the lifestyle designed acceleration hangs. What is your favorite before the millions book? Yes so this is really interesting interesting because my number one favorite book used to be the richest Mana Babylon and I happened across Ebook on kindle and I normally read all like I have to hold the book like. I'm just a Buchner like that right but I had a friend that had a kindle and I was headed to the beach amid a book I stumbled across the wealthy gardener. I now at least a couple of hundred Jim. Jim roope quick. I read your lips but audio cut out. You said you can now swear that. Now swear swear by that book right. Why did audio cut out when you swear it? I don't know but it cut out. I've got to have filling quick Ari. Go ahead is the a wealthy gardeners where it's at it is. It is the most profound book I've ever read in my entire life. It's a synopsis of multiple other books Multiple there folks that I regard as mentors or thought leaders just contains a lot of really valuable. They will information in order to create a life that you want in one hundred thirty episodes and all the podcast I listen to his wife never heard of this book. I'm at my booklets Douglass and rarely Jim do. I add to my book lists see I hear one on Amazon or someone will recommend something I by Amazon way backed up but I typically read all the time that that one and I'm trying to think of how to frame it so I don't sound like a tool but I read a fair amount and I enjoy what I read that one I couldn't put down and it's probably three or four hundred pages so it's not that short. It is a very easy read but I was so intellectually stimulated by that book it it is hands down number one favorite book time. I May I may even bumped it up to the top of the loose. Thank you really like it and now I'm getting excited. I read about a book a week as as well and That's awesome only just got done with a can't hurt me have you. Have you heard of that book. Yeah with David. I haven't read that one yet. It is this morning because I'm a big advantage. Jesse is slower and Yeah I met Jessie or not met. But saw Jesse for the first time at ten x last year And Kennedy. It's clear I get a free ticket to go out there. That guy's a gangster man i. I liked him. He was amazing. He's amazing so when he wrote that book gloving with seal it was so captain but he brought another one. I read called living with monks. That's kind of what introduced me to David Guidelines and just read his book and I was like I and I've been wanting to I've been the thing about Rena for a while but again bookstore makes booklets 'cause it's literally that long but Masterton bristles like dude. You have to look you have to read it. I read it over rated over the past two days and I was like yeah this is. This is where it's at so this is this is definitely coming up. It'll may actually be the next look. I'm going to look at my book list. See if any of those sway me to switch its position but I love that I love back okay. What is your favorite lifestyle design APP? This can be business APP or tool. I've recently recently come across candidly. It's been life changing so I have a lot of clients that want real time access to me in the business and honestly in order to help my team out on a day to day basis at least of the business that we're at and respond to emergencies. We need to respond to I set up county. So you can book me twenty four hours out so that helps me levels at my client and say hey listen you know if you have an emergency at your property. This helps me respond to real time to emergencies at your property or someone else's property during the day so that's why we help the US this this calendar feel a little bit Buji being like. Hey check on my calendar grab a time but that has been such a huge entrepreneur. Hack for me lately lately. Yeah that's beautiful and I definitely had allow those feelings when I started using scheduling softwares like Allen Lee and some of the other ones. It's definitely something weird but one thing I have noticed. I've never br used it like the way you're using but one thing I have noticed is that it doesn't come office that like it comes off as that this guy actually values time Yep right this time back and yeah so it comes off very well but you know subconsciously similar in that. I'm just like rub people the wrong way but I have have to have. Its schedule like a hat. We have to. There has to be some kind of structures on the mind work so I love that love that love that up. What do you enjoy most about the way your lifestyle is currently he designed to it? It's all about the time freedom right so going back to like the only APP and structuring my day. I have a little guy. He's three years old and You so if I have an open morning I may i. I'll probably be able to spend a little bit more time with them. And that's huge for me or Sometimes like property management tough man being a real estate investor stuff like you just deal with a lot of stuff. It's stressful sometimes. I'll go and do like assault flow or catch a massage not to sound too crazy but having that time freedom during the middle of the day to kind of unwind and relax a little bit or even just take a quick walk that that's huge for me. My favorite is just just just canceling my entire day about at that point would love for that to happen. Happens very seldom by sometimes do like this. This is why I did this. This is why I became an entrepreneur. Why am I worried about casting from a Self Care Perspective legitimately like you need it? Sometimes and it's going to help help you be more effective for the next day week or month like sometimes you just gotTa shut down take a couple deep rats. Go for a walk and clear your calendar. I'm with okay. What were the sacrifices that you knew you had to make before the millions to get to where you are today? Yes the hard work and time tradeoff right so so I can remember the first property that I bought every weekend Saturday Sunday I'd wake up at seven. Am I'd go to the diner. That was a block away at eat. A good breakfast and I would just plug away for the rest of the day. You Know Home Depot trips paint painting hallways put on the roof on the garage behind the building. But it's putting in the time trading time up front when you don't have the money you don't have the experience I always put in the time and put in the hard work and that's what set me up to get to where I am today so I was talking about like how I have multiple mentors that I've never met but I dive deep for six months to a year at a time and Dan. I'm big on Eric. Thomas in Eric Thomas Talks about you have to stick to like what you're good at right like no I think I'm trying to think about the track that he talks about any. He talks about how he's not the smartest guy but he's loyal so that's what he sticks through right so I know that how I've got to wear today. I've got to work hard so if I face a challenge inch I've got to put in the work and and things will fall into place because that's like who I am. I love that many people seem to forget about this. This part of a Napoleon Hill's book thinking rich where he talks about a me He? He's he's probably the biggest attributed to the mastermind concept concept in this day and age right and heavy masterminds and running masterminds in Vienna masterminds and how beneficial they are but you talk about some of the people that armie mentors and have no idea that exist. There's a few of them. And he's up. Wisconsin the book to where you just like do like I built this over time. He's like you can create a masterminding your head. I don't re- so honestly I don't remember that part of the book exactly like you said most people don't I've done that so I can think of five guys right off the top my head that I could rattle off. I've done that with. I've never met them. But you know what their response would be if you had if you had a problem if you had a situation I do that all the time. I'm like I have people. I have like my GRANDPA could be the real estate or the sales mentor right. Not right in different industries maybe the Pack Estimates The coaching mentor right and always go to them. I'm for advice. Always what do you think about this right. And I and I literally responded their voice in what they would say and always helps me to the next level south guys. That's a golden goes in itself you don't have to guard and get paid mental or or be a part of a mastermind even a highly highly. Just you do. This is just as worth and it's all in your mind. I love that was essential to your growth before the millions. And why so is my dad in honestly when I I know that sounds Super Cliche When I was a kid he always still may go to school? Read a book so I went to school read books and I still involved in real estate. He's a union carpenter now retired and when I went to buy my first property he told me it was the biggest mistake I ever made in my life. I bought a multifamily so the whole like he has supported. My my whole life had a great relationship with him he said listen. You buy a single family. I'll be there every week and help you out and I said well. I'm not interested by a single family owned by multifamily. Because it's going to help me out for the rest of my life right from a financial perspective. So he didn't really buy in. He was still there every weekend to help out. Maybe not both days of the weekend but at least for a few hours on a Saturday that helped me out tremendously menacingly and I can remember. There was one point that the property management business started gaining traction. And he's like hey we're hundred units. He's like do you make money. Might take like six months later. I think we got like one. Seventy five two hundred and he's like you make money on like I'm almost making the same money that make an fulltime job like given that's going to change as we scale and do certain things is kind of open and he's like man. I never thought he could do it. But I'm glad you stuck with this guy throws around. He'd never throws around a compliment. He made like a real. I don't know if you're listening to complement. Yeah yes so He's always had a tremendous impact on my life. But I think the important lesson there is that you always have to believe in yourself so even if it's someone that's always believing you always giving you good good advice sometimes if you have that higher belief in yourself if they say you know it's a bad idea chase it jason. I Love I love all of it. Well said last but not least why do you think so. Many of us are stuck before the millions even though we have every intention of getting to the millions did you ever hear that Coach Carter quote of like our our largest. Fear is not that were incapable but that like we're able to take over the world I ah I know that I just put you that but it similar across I love the right. Yeah so I I think that's it like a lot of people get stock and they think it gets fear but it's really just take action right so I think people get stuck on. What if this goes wrong? Or what if this goes wrong right. Just chase it or in that sense of like what if I am wildly successful will hey. That's a really great outcome right so putting the action and you're going to get there a lot sooner than you think bone you have it ladies and gentlemen Mr Mr Jimmy Murray Jimmy. Thank you so much for the value that you've provided to my listeners. I know that we've taken people from. Hey I have no idea what to do in the property management from space to fully cough to in in the fact that I can get started and I know that as long as I keep going going back to take action to keep going. I'm GONNA hit success metrics. I'm I want to get my first property. I know how I'm GonNa get in whether that's for a mentor. So property management company. I'm working for or island to use my experience or we didn't name the stirred one but you brought it up and I just remembered it or I'm going to have a partner who has experience. It's beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful. Thank you for the message issue listeners. On any of those who want to get to know your of owner.

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26 - Round 2 Blazers v Denver

Lumpy's Sports Show Podcast

15:05 min | 1 year ago

26 - Round 2 Blazers v Denver

"All right, everybody. Thanks for joining me again for another episode of the lumpy show this week. We're going to continue the blazer post-game reactions. I didn't get to do one for game. One had some other prior priorities that need to take care of. And there was just no time to get it done. So I'm gonna hit on that just a little bit today. And then just jump into. What was the not the most exciting game too? But I guess close thrilling game too. So thanks for listening and stay tuned. All right. So quick recap of game on between Denver and Portland. You know as a fun game to watch exciting scoring the not. I mean there was defense played. But it didn't seem like it at times both team shot over fifty percents. Almost a right around the forty percent for the three point line. The the key to the game was Yokich. The blazers did not have an answer for Yokich and game on. Was like thirty seven and nine in six assists. And they play that pick and roll game with the Murray and between the two of them add sixty points out of the one hundred twenty one points scored that night with Millsap coming in for a little bit more and the blazers just couldn't. The game plan for for for game on was not to attack the pick and roll and double Yokich whenever he got the ball. The did that much better than game to which we'll get into here. More in just a second. But they just cancer was point. So far off a Yokich on that the pick and roll that either Murray would split it drive down the lane one foot runner or Yokich was doing that. With what runner, you know, the only took five three pointers. Had twelve free throws because he kept getting all the calls, but he easy shots essentially drive down the lane or picking it passing it to one of the guys for shooting the three year pick and roll. So they they played good game. And they didn't miss a shot and the blazers didn't really get anything catcher. Correct myself cancer had twenty six points. He played really well from an offensive point Dame had one of the quieter thirty nine point games you'll ever see the just couldn't get over the hump of of scoring after the third quarter. It was always a close game. But you just didn't get that feel for the boys is we're gonna come back and take it from the nuggets much like the reverse of tonight's game. For game two. The blazers. The gotta get you know, a little bit more out of some people. Rodney hood had a really good game in game one dropped in seventeen points. But it's like it was four people scoring and a lot of times, I guess that can work the blazers don't get anything other than the litter and McCollum for the most part not every game. But a lot of the games and that workload blazers aren't gonna win a series. If they can't get some some play from the other guys off the bench. They weren't playing bad, but they just weren't giving enough in that game. And then Denver just miss forty one percent from three point and fifty fifty percent from from the field. And it was just one of those games. Lot of it was changed game too. So that's not much much more to say about game on other than the the blazers just needed a little bit more defense. There was not much defense. Played by anyone. And especially from the blazers where they Yokich and Murray can just do whatever was needed. So we'll skip ahead to game to here. All right. So in game two the blazers pulled it off ninety seven to ninety and they got contributions from everyone off the bench played a much better defensive game. Except for rebounding. I think they neutralized Yokich. I'll bet for a couple of minutes in the fourth quarter from an offensive standpoint they were going they were attacking him as soon as the ball went on the grounds and sending a double and playing different players than cancer on Yokich. A lot of the time not all the time that 'cause it real job on the defensive end. I thought as far as trying to slow him down a bit. Cancer do bad. He's just not a good defensive player for the most part maple just a little bit here and there, but he is he's an office of player. So you get what you get on the defense, especially with nurture out. But they they neutralize that Murray. Pick and roll with Yokich that they could not stop for nothing in game two or game on. I'm sorry. So that was cool seeing you can see it right away. Blazers were up by seventeen at one point. I think either it was in the second quarter late or early in the third quarter, and it kind of hung out for the most part around that fifteen to ten point land for minute. They're down to six but other than completely destroying Portland from an offensive rebound point of view. Just as I stated earlier in the podcast game. One blazers were always hanging there. But he didn't feel like they're going to come back and win in this case. You didn't feel Denver was gonna come back around because they can shoot for nothing. They were thirty four point seven percent that made Oklahoma City, look good. Look like, they tried to fashion the game after Westbrook will just the brick show that was going on twenty percent from three. But the reason they stayed in the game is twenty Twenty-three offensive rebounds, two seven against the blazers and he would say with twenty three rebounds. Probably weren't a ton of rebounds for the buzzer to be had. But they still outreach about them forty defensive rebounds to thirty five that tells you how many how bad Denver was on the offensive end tonight. And from the free throw line. Denver was awful sixty one percent. What kept them in the line is the players could not get a defensive rebound. Like, I said they had forty but they can get the offense of rebound or defensive rebound story in the fourth quarter. End of the third into the fourth every bounce off the rim. Ended up in Denver player hand there were just attacking rebounds. A because once again, they knew they were missing everything, but Portland was just not imposition to get the rebounds. It wasn't that they weren't trying to get to just weren't as fast to react and go grab that ball. But you know, the held on for seven point, and and I'm thankful for that. It was on a night where Dame just couldn't get going. They put they switched a little bit. That is which up Cray got her broke his nose. It was cut a bit because he'd been kind of the guy put on Dame, which is funny because he tortured for thirty nine. He was hampering them a little bit today and Dame kinda get going. He finished with fourteen points five or seventeen miserable from the three point line. Just get going. You know, he's a lot of you know, potential fouls that weren't being called on Dame strives some of them he was just trying to get to call the wraps a little bit. But you have to do especially if you're star player, but he just see he was out of rhythm to that on the shooting. And you know, that's the first time this playoff series this platform. I think he's been that bad from the from the line. He played so solid game. Saw defense everything else leading the team. Of course, even. Jay was the leading score only at twenty with the the low scoring game. He. He was all right. You know, nothing spectacular. Get some big points from amino Collins Rodney had played another good game. He's he's looking like the player the blazers needed when they traded form in this series. A lot more than what was coming out of the o'casey series. Even J J Lehman got in and played a few minutes with heartless wrenching his ankle. Pre rough looking spill Yod Avent heard anything new about game game three on Friday, but Lehman command because I instead of playing someone else or switching it up start usually likes to keep the rotation going for the second team. And so he put Lehman in their first action the plops in one of the blowouts. He was. It was a minus five for the six minutes. He was there. He was up in Murray's face and point tough divas on them. So I actually thought that was pretty good of so for my money. It was a good all around game by the blazers. Nothing spectacular solid. Very good defense can get a rebound on the defensive end and that third into the fourth quarter for nothing. And that's what kept kept Denver close. And some some question, you know, not the best shooting tonight for both teams was really bad. But not the best. We'll see what comes up and game. Three. See how Denver counters the way Portland played defense on their picking role game. Like, you said earlier, I was really impressed with how they attack that changing it up and throwing something different. Look like Jim Murray has got a wicked Charlie horsey. You know, he he kept going hung in there. But you could. See in that fourth quarter. He could not move. So I'm curious to see how that goes for the next next game. Yokich joke each I liked that players gave. But he's now that we're in the playoffs and you see play back to back games. He's he's kind of getting on my nerves. He should've fouled out refs. Let them get out of it not on purpose. I think that just missed it. But it was it was a clear foul on the Collins. I believe when it came across his arms that guy's pretty funny. He. Looks out of shape. He looks like he goes to the the Felton Rafe Elton. School of conditioning for basketball, but he gets you can see all winded as out of shape as far as most NBA players, but he can barely jump over a piece of paper. But he's he can pass. He's his badge ical on the passing. You reminds me a lot of for big guy the way he passes lot like our visa bonus. Especially when the bonus was before he came to the NBA in his Europe days. He could just see the court and make those passes that in those days, like Magic Johnson was the only one was making those days shows, you how old I but. Could just read the court make those passes to the guys in and Yokich do that. And you can see why they didn't need Nurkic anymore and with that trade department and Portland's better off for for that trae too. But yoke edge Yokich had just a so-so gave I mean damn near triple double Bill, only sixteen fourteen seven and gotten foul trouble. And because of the boys defense can get get rolling like the kid, and they don't get a lot. I mean, they're Bence plays. Good. But they don't get a lot from them. Offensively. Beasley Morris Plumlee in Barton. Are the only ones I play. They just don't get a ton. I mean, I don't know why they don't play as as Thomas. That's an interesting one. I don't know if he just can't play with the hip. I almost forget it was on the team and the box score. Do think that that guy kid come off and light up some offense a little bit thing. Post up all day down the defensive end. But you would think. He could come in and give you some offense for little bit. But they don't get a ton of from anyone else from what I've seen this. I e games. Besides paul. You know, the starters, Paul Millsap, and Yokich and marine and Harris, it's been a fun. Little it's been a fun star to serious lot less. Contentious except for the end of the game. Who in Yokich actually, shoved cancer and stumbled and then ran into Craig broken his nose early in the game. And then some of his teammates studied Kanter did something palm purpose for something. And so they came to Kane kinda came to his defense. There are some John a couple of tech and close. Nothing crazy today was not evidence of it. But these guys are gonna be playing more of a free flowing ofensive type series. And I think it's gonna go six I think the boys IRS, hopefully, come back and take the next two at home. He's been playing really well there and then go back, you know, finish it out here in game six in Portland. Get to the Western Conference final for. I think for the first time since two thousand I think that's a legit reality. So we'll see how it goes a long ways long ways to play some players definitely got to step up for both teams blazers need that third score besides cancer, in my opinion. They need Rodney hood to keep playing the way is and and play that defense. And it'll be exciting. I think they'll take it. So I appreciate you guys listening to him as always we keep growing this thing. So share if you like it share it, and it won't always be blazer Centric. So thanks for listening piece.

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How Confident?

Highly Questionable

19:53 min | 4 months ago

How Confident?

"Welcome. To highly questionable. We got some basketball to get to Bomani. Jones you can find him the right time with Bomani Jones Sarah, Spain. That's what she said. PODCAST. Let's get started. Who should be feeling more confident after game three, the Lakers or the nuggets all right We can continue to analyze these things and give your opinions and breakdown what we think might happen, but you can't really account for. Bam outta bio in one series of the rim. Haven't seen before and these series would totally be different if Anthony Davis didn't make the shot in game two. But what you saw last night is a desperate team doing things on the boards and what I would look never mind pressure because I always want with the Lakers, have they've got the two best players anytime they step on the court, but I would really like to have this nuggets future because right now they are showing you that they're not afraid of anything and it's all house money and if I had a lot of pressure. On me the way the Lakers do I would be scared of a team like this that has a bunch of unstoppable guys and can make jump shots. But what I saw last night was the Lakers more than any time this season missing wide open jumpers at the end of the game consecutively again and again and again. I. Think that's the thing that ultimately berries Denver, they don't guard as well as you need to this time of year Dan I just want to try to tell you about nuggets right? Like I don't necessarily feel like. They're going to win this series, but they are good in a way that I think people have given them credit for which there is strong like through four five and six of their rotation as you're gonNA find any team left really any team in the League, right? So they can still go and they can keep going but you hit it they don't have Lebron James Before we get to Anthony Davis what team should feel more confident the one that has Lebron James then you add Anthony Davis and then the Lakers absolutely should feel more. Confident. But they should also feel very confused as to how it is that other than Lebron, none of their guys over six eight seem to want to get rebounds like I'm not even blaming one person in particular because it's up and down the line to fail me what one rebound Moore's had. No Rebounds Davis head to rebound Dwight. Howard had a rebound rebounder two or something like that. That's the strange instead of all of those for me but the Lakers should feel confident but the can't go through asleep walking because the nuggets have bodies man. I think you hit it if you have Lebron James and Anthony Davis as two of your five, you should be the more confident team and based on the entire season in our expectations for the Lakers they should still be more confident but to Dan's point, there is a real fear in having the pressure being the team expected to win and in knowing that things can fall apart for you because of your lack. Of. Debt, we saw early on in the bubble, and of course, Lebron pressed the easy button like he always does when the playoffs started and all of a sudden we weren't worried anymore about them. especially, their offense of ability to score but you look at what happened yesterday if Lebron gets tired from trying to turbo charge a comeback in the fourth and he needs to depend on someone else I don't know say Kyle. Kuzma to hit the broad side of a barn, it ain't going to happen. Meanwhile, you've got the nuggets young guns who aren't afraid of anybody who have been down I think they've got a different kind of confidence right now confidence that we could have easily won game two. We won game three even though we let him back and we have the intestinal fortitude to not let them finish off that comeback and we. Got Really. We're like that money. So it's totally different kind of confidence that at the end of games might actually propel them further than the Lakers knowing deep down they've got the best guys. We started this bubble talking about t J. Warren has anyone done more for the value in their steam that the respect that that person's getting Jamal Murray and this entire bubble the entire playoff experience did any of us have being Yell it might not even be him. Don't forget. The other guy has turned into Magic Johnson while we weren't looking like we thought he was good. We didn't know he was dad good. But the thing about yoga is as talk about the nuggets death part of their death comes from the fact that when Yogis out there suddenly afterguard like all five people, there's no situation with the nuggets you can do like teams who do in the playoffs have Andrew Bogut guard Tony. Allen. For example, because he can't do nothing you have to guard all those dues when you could use out there. Yeah and Yoga, Jim Murray obviously need to do. There's that's the reason that team has made it this far and put on those comebacks that we saw in previous rounds but it's the depth that gives them an advantage over the Lakers Murray and Yokich if you just put them up against Anthony, Davis and Lebron going to people when you get into getting double figures for Morris in double figures from grant, you've got more guys out there that they need to pull that defense and they need to test the Lakers with all of a sudden. They're actually taking advantage of one of the few elements of the game that they have over the Lakers, which is the depth of their bench. All right. I hate to be this guy because I understand how much of your love? Alice. Caruso. Who is a decent NBA player just WanNa. Make sure you guys know that but you see the second quarter Rondo on the drive. Nice. Pass Caruso. Tactical Fool what are you doing there? Is that analysis gone wrong. Is that a shop that he didn't think through look like a Paul George? Three. Should Dan's big bad. He petrified if they lose to the Celtics, tonight. Look. They are in a series here at a time in the season where I don't think many of us had this Miami team this. SEASON, leading the eastern conference finals after dominating just about everyone in the bubble the worst game they've had then the bubble you just saw it was a bunch of missed open shots. They track this stuff. Now, they tell you how close defender is and limited one of eleven shots with defender nowhere near not even six feet within where it is the heat were you've got Olympic and drug in a situation where they're combining to be three, hundred twenty on wide open jumpers, the Laker. Game was decided last night because in the last five minutes, Allegra didn't make any of their open jumpers and this last game was Boston being tougher at the rim rebounding and that particular stat these teams are very evenly matched. I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them wins tonight seeming the big bad heat that have trailed for seventy percent of the minutes of this series. The big bad heat that required to Celtics double digit collapses and Games one and two to get the DUB. I'm just kidding Miami fans please get out of my mentions actually do think these are very evenly matched teams, but it's become very clear that the heat needs not dig a giant hole for themselves to get out of because in game three, they couldn't get out of it. They need to not let tatum Brown beat them. They need to be a little bit tougher on high percentage shots in the pain I. think they were outscored sixty two thirty. Six inside in game three and they obviously to shoot better from outside these teams are so fun to watch because there is so much death because there are so many different guys that can beach on a given night but the heat needs to not put themselves at the deficit early and then have to expend their energy just to even things up it didn't work in game three because the Celtics team figured out how to get him to stop. I don't think he should be terrified if they lose I, think there should be terrified of Vegas because I don't really think the Celtics have depth on this That's why Gordon Hayward coming back with so important it looked like they were running basically six deep before he came back like and go from sixty seven. That's a big deal. Right the Celtics are capable of beating the heat by twenty. I don't think the heat or capable of beating the Celtics by, but that does not necessarily mean I don't think that the he can come out and manage to win this series I just want to point out right Fast. Everybody loves zone when it's work anything any damn coaches genius just because he's willing to go out there and throw out his own because it reminds you the fact that you yourself in your own life. I've never been able to guard anybody in your life and your lazy. Bum Doug what I have to do anything but stay in a little area I understand that you relate to that. But the Celtics went out there and did something for the greater good of the universe and they put that hurt to zone and I hope they put that hurts it as oh one more time because everybody say with me. Zone Es. Four words coming up. Next. On Myself TV show. Exactly. Where this is. This is brilliant unknown in the sport that right there is the kind of genius that somehow figures out how to find. Cam. Newton. In the discount been here the WHO gets. softened. Oh. Yes. There it is. It's Oh. Okay. something. I hadn't thought about really now that do it ain't a player Izzy? No no that can't be a player. We're assuming that the coach based only on the way that he looks. Very, fish Gerald here as a football pro, I've seen some wild fantasy football superstitions, but you don't need look you just need IBM. Watson is the I in the ESPN fantasy APP analyzing millions sources to give you insights on players and traits. VISIT IBM dot com slash fantasy football Larry Fitzgerald. Here. As a football pro I've seen some wild fantasy football superstitions but you don't see look you just need IBM Watson is the I in the ESPN fantasy APP analyzing millions of sources to give you insights on players and traits. VISIT IBM dot com slash fantasy football. National voter. Registration Day is September twenty second for more information visit I am voter dot com. You Question Bill Bella checks new look. All right. So this is the champion genius of our time and he does not care much for the press conference and here he shows up dress for the party with A. Formal wear. This is. This is brilliant unknown in the sport that right there is the kind of genius that somehow figures out how to find Cam Newton in the discount been there it is ladies and gentlemen expertise. I actually like to talk about how complementary was after a loss in Seattle Cam Newton is I find the psychology of that he was never that complementary of Tom Brady he was awfully complimentary of Cam Newton in a loss, but that is what I expect. They'll Bella check to be sleeping. Yeah. That looks like dancing these Bruin. College kid wears to bed he yeah. Don't distract US talking about football. We're talking about the on Psalm here and it is a sort of mix of Nick Nolte Mug, shot, and leaked from zoo lander. This is the sort of thing either someone's paying two hundred dollars for you to put the holes into to make it look fashionable more. He rolled in off the street because he slept on a bench outside I can't decide it's it could be either I don't think he paid two hundred dollars for the whole but. I do think it was somebody's job to put two holes in there because the one thing we all have to remember is he has access to have many of those damn shirts as he wants. You think when he wears of those shares during a game during a practice that it comes back home with him, I don't think it does because they just give him another one have to remember about Bella check. He wants to look like this whenever he has to dress like a grownup he always looks good like He. Doesn't just look like through all the suit. He always looks like he knows what he's doing a man dad was in the military he knows exactly what he's doing and how he's supposed to look. He comes out here looking like a slob for one reason because he can problem is he winds over dude like his buddy up there in Detroit who thinks he can come out there looking like a Slob to accept you know coaches well as Bella checks. So you know what you are. You're just soi none of genius law. Do. You question this coach feels better after expressing his frustration art wake forest as a soccer program. This is the wake forest soccer coach. Let's hear his station. Ryan Braun. Scary by ruthie turns down. Were left. He made. Don't worry. Nothing. That's what are you do in that situation you've just sort of got limbaugh and disgust and blame the create. Let's see that again let's see what happened there. Let's see how. His level of anger was detained. Put some monnet. Day For do. Decidedly mask. But right now I'm very anti masks because I want the faces of those girls on the bench looking at their coach getting is what stuck. Smiles is there you bid on a team before you know how that goes their faces are just try to stay straight as possible right? Like everybody's just try to hold together I just hate the demands got the black lives matter head all do a right to call all the way we've. Got His God crate. I loved the symbolism of a coach, a teacher being so frustrated by how cruddy one of the kicks wasn't his game that he somehow in the video produces a crunchier kicked than the one that got him. So disgusted, you know I have seen a coach suffer a worse injury on the sideline though you're the guy who gets. To. As, Look Oh. Yes. Oh yes there it is. Oh. Okay. Oh. Something I hadn't thought about really now do it ain't a player is No no that can't be a player we're assuming that's a coach based only on the way that he looks I thought that was the coach every time you've run that until. Never idea. Let's look at again. Let's look at again the question that Erin Bomani you're asking is there a soccer league anywhere in the world where that guy is not the coach? I didn't notice cargo shorts I should have noticed the cargo shorts these. I don't have a number. All right. It's all coming together the context clues shorts. So. What's your? What's your? Played soccer the short it's not I don't know in the short. Waist level of sports we're looking at here. You guys pull clips from any league imaginable. This is a gym teacher. Let's see what we have here. We're going out to a gym somewhere I'm not giving any more information. Oh. Been Greatest Gym teacher evolved. Loving this. You get that kind of web on it. Yes. By teaching Jim for years learning also different techniques I, WanNa to let you guys know that the p. e. teachers out there are going to tell you that they are not gym teachers. They are p. e. teachers and the class is physical education. Physical Yeah. Let's just go back to CNN hitman. This is funny this. Get on Saturday night live like this is universally funny. This crosses all boundaries, all genders, all races, all thoughts, principles, all politics, but also are they even playing a game? He's just on the sideline beaning people there's no others he's playing the game on the P. Teachers. Because it's like question number two who's who's running this camera because I think it's good for the gym teacher that his wound up on tiktok laughing. But I also imagine it's only a half step away from wadded up on your bosses desk Dan is correct. HQ has a large history that proves dodgeball is always always funny. Always do let's see. Here we go. Oh. Boy. Oh. Yeah. Yes. I would smell smell off all. Hard and then. He. Does this now he's like twenty five now. You've been running never a decade. COMING UP NEXT ON MY TV show I'd like to know that both of those teams and those high beds have one Stanley Cup championships anybody in Canada. Did Number One and number two I would like hasn't been more fighting in the bubble because I would imagine it would be more fighting into bubble because I'd imagine there's a lot of dudes into bubble that just WANNA fight. All right. So if I, ask you guys in the audience this question, what are your Magin or John's mother is like adores Ron clearly a champion swamp monster you WanNa meet his mother I want meat his mother. Tonight at eight PM game three of the Stanley Cup final someone verse someone else. If. I were a hockey fan I would hate this network so much because we have these partnerships with football and basketball and we cover those sports really well but we don't have a partnership with hockey, and so we cover hockey very poorly, and this show covers at worse than anyone in the history of the network. So let's just play a clip here of the way that we. Do our hockey coverage even though. Jump. That's true. Brought him on the ground with yeah. It looks like twist or oh, we got a serious chokehold happening. because. That's not Oh, you can't do that. You can't do that with the stick as well. Okay. Game three that was terrible coverage by US Sarah. Intriguing. I'm intrigued by Emily, Kaplan on ESPN daily actually explaining what's going on in this series because it's a sports boxing I have no idea. Also Tampa, Bay Dallas to hotbeds of hockey outside it is a lot a lot of sports right? It's hard to keep up with every so many sports mommy, are you intrigued? To know the both of those teams, those beds have one Stanley Cup Championships as anybody in Canada did number one and number two I would've? been more fighting in the bubble because I would imagine it. It would be more fighting into bubble because I'd imagine this dude in the bubble that just WANNA fight I love that all we can do is imagine even though we're paid sports experts, we should probably not, but we can imagine. Last time hockey just came up at work it don't happen. I'll Nobel across either. Streaming on CBS, sixty minutes or right. So if I ask you guys in the audiences question, what are you imagine or drowns mother is like at Ron clearly a champion swamp monster you WanNa meet his mother I, want to meet his mother if both inside. Years of coaching forged that RASP. Odur onto accent was born here. In Lafayette Parish about seventy five miles down the Bayou from. Baton Rouge. The odor odds are Cajun. Descended from French Canadians who were exiled to Louisiana swamps in the seventeen hundreds and have proudly resisted assimilation ever since all. When we stopped by coaches, mother cocoa insisted we eat before we talk and really who were we to resist Seafood Gumbo this is absolutely thank you I. Appreciate that the family lived to play football the late Eddo on senior would coach the local kids on field across from their house all that was the playground of the whole. The dates was. And the sideline. And every once in a while. If you go decide on your end edge, her son stood six two in two hundred and seventy pounds by the time he was fifteen star player on both offense and defense in high school. I think if we all had to imagine what that would look like I would look something like that. I would guess Sarah Intrigue. Yes, very intrigued. I want more of this especially, the photos of a be young Ed whose nickname probably should have been some sort of seafood Gumbo. Intrigue I am intrigued and I just want to point out that there is nothing more delightfully counterintuitive than considering the fact that it owes Ron's accent is actually a Canadian accent right? Like the day that you learned that the Cajun's are actually Canadians nothing you thought you knew made sense. If you want some more of what Bomani Jones at Sarahspain do away from here. The right time with Bomani Jones is something you need to be listening to, and that's what she said part of the Lebatardshow and friends network. Thanks for watching. Dan What's Your Air Pods? You guys weren't? You weren't supposed to see.

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Say Why To Drugs Book Launch

Say Why To Drugs

41:08 min | 1 year ago

Say Why To Drugs Book Launch

"Hello welcome to another say why to drugs in this episode you can listen to a recording of the event. I did foyle's bookshop in Bristol. The day after the book came out it was part of an excellent series of events. Could Bristow takes drugs seriously. which you can hear James Nichols who in conversation with mention and James is the CEO transform an organization that campaigns for evidence based drug policy reform? But before we get to conversation if you're interested in coming to hear me speak could invent like this life than there were lots of opportunities coming up in fact there will be lots more but some of them haven't been officially announced yet. The Wonderful Jim Murray made me the website as a Christmas present this year. So now you can check Ceesay gauged Quedo you. Kate find out when new dates will be announced but now will be in Liverpool on the twenty seventh of February where I'll be waterstone's in the pool. One in conversation with a brilliant mic coil whose mental health. Mondays radio show. I've been on three times now. You can come to a live. PODCAST recording in London the seventh of March as part of Volt Festival in association with child to Org. And I've got some really fantastic guests lined up for that one so I would recommend getting tickets also be at I write literary festival in Glasgow is not the best named thing ever and not so much. The Fourteenth Annabi at waterstones in Tottenham Court road on the thirty first of March with a brilliant stop and search podcast and I'm doing Oxford skeptics in the pub on the first of July also be loads of other stuff announced soon including leading literary science and hopefully music festivals as well as other bits and bobs across the country so check the website or my twitter for more information also. Of course I would just like to say thank you so much to everyone. Who bought the book safe? Aw It's been so exciting to see pictures of it when you've seen in bookshops on pictures inches of you reading it and something else. That seems to have happened a lot. Which I'm very happy about is lots of pictures of the book with your favorite pet so please keep sending me more flies? Because they're brilliant. If you enjoy reading it and you want to leave review on Amazon then salary is that it really does make a difference to the algorithm so I would be eternally grateful but that's enough promo as I said at the beginning. This episode was recorded at Foyle's bookshop in Bristol. which is a really really lovely shop with super lovely staff say thank you to them hosting it? The podcast is the conversation between myself and James. That was Acuna afterwards. But I'm the questions didn't really come out very very well on the recording. So that's ended up just being one for the people in the room. I'm afraid but I really hope you enjoy this wide ranging discussion seeking Brilliant Book. I read it ahead of time and this is fantastic. Some of you may Bena. The this also. Purely by chance is coincided with three days events transform on the university a being putting on in Bristol around your policy into their having taken jokes take seriously we asking bristles Sedgwick seriously thinking that saying why drugs. He's taking seriously outshoot. And so there's a good Good kind of overlap between those two things overheads and I obviously to talk to Suzie about about this. Because this I I've I've I've read it and I I can thoroughly recommend already suzy for those of you. Who is a senior lecturer in psychology at the University of Liverpool as she previously by studied on? What's here at the university? Ah Bristol with colleagues in baccall research groups here She's a presentative. The excellent say why to drugs podcast. Many view which many of you will know it's fantastic. PODCASTONE was previously a regular contributor to the Guardian on the sifting evidence. Call them which I always always fantastic fantastic a A column She's previously being awarded the Autumn Award for best. podcast by Sketchy magazine Public Communications by the British Association for Psychopharmacology. Komo news stay on The UK science blog prize by the Good Thinking Society Essentially Susi. Two things. One she really knows is this stuff. And secondly he's really good at communicating. That's a great combination and again it's a captured very well in our book. So I'm really delighted to have this opportunity. Gene C to discuss some issues in the book on around drugs with Suzy and then afterwards will open up to us the wrong questions as well. But I'm not being the first few minutes because I get to do and I'm really excited failed to do that. So so the first question is kind of more general question ready which she's what made you say why drugs first of all I was a good question I guess in terms of why did I pick it as a research career I did my Undergrad at UC oh added psychology and part of when you were studying at Ucla you can go and do modules in other in other departments augments and I saw that there was a module in the pharmacology department could drugs in the mind and I just thought that sounded really interesting and then I heard about the practical and as I can definitely doing this job the practical was they got us all to either drink alcohol or take nitrous oxide and then do well before we did it and afterwards do a load suit of cognitive tasks and fine motor tasks so you know that thing where you've got a wire and a little hook thing and you have to round without buzzing say one of those and like doing mental arithmetic and that kind of thing and I thought this is really interesting thinking about the different effects that drugs have because when you're growing up your total talk of the same old drugs Biden all drugs shouldn't do drugs drugs about and it was really interesting to think about well actually they're all different and so they have completely different effects in some might affect your flying motor skills but you'll call mission might be relatively sped and some might have the opposite effect and so I thought okay this is really interesting. I was a bit gutted because 'cause I ended up in the placebo alcohol conditions so I had to do these tasks before and after a glass of orange juice but the point remains that was really it was really interesting. I and I think at that point. I didn't realize that drugs research could actually be career or I didn't think it could be a career for me anyway because of plugging you might agree. It was fine but I thought that would be the thing that everyone wanted to do. Because it's so cool like the high flyers will get to do that and also just stick to something a bit more pedestrian Austrian. I didn't even necessarily think when I was an Undergrad actually research could be a career. I sort of rather naively thought that my lecturers were just teaches news and I get really annoyed now. Students think about me and I have to remind myself that. That's what I thought too but it took a long time so moved to Bristol after I did. It might agree because I was in a band at all to my left here and I had a few years of kind of not really doing anything researchy at all then. I got a job at Bristol. Union as as a researcher but doing all sorts of weird and wonderful projects like how to recruit people who had spoken Hindi Zulu when they were children but not since and it because I was working the language group at the time and various random projects until I ended up kind of fortuitously really working in the background research group and I was like Oh my God. I've ended up doing the thing I wanted to do when I was eighteen. But Not really setting out to do it. So this is an incredibly long winded answer as to why I ended up doing this research coach but why I started saying why to drugs in the sort of podcast was when I started my PhD which was looking at the links between cannabis cannabis in tobacco in particular and mental health. It became sort of apparent really quickly. Just how much misinformation there was about about these these drugs like the legal drugs army illicit drugs and I initially. I started writing a blog partly because there was all this misinformation and also just because I so I was going to have to write my PhD. At the end of this my thesis at the end of this process so I might as well practice writing and when I started writing about drugs eggs about drugs research people were really interested in it so it was sort of seen. Well carry on doing this and the podcast kind of came out of that because writing is all well and good but donny reaches a certain audience so I was trying to think of the not necessarily people who read the Guardian. Aren't necessarily the people who need this information. The most so I was trying to think give different ways to get messages out information and help people make informed decisions by giving them the tools that they need to understand the evidence and potentially potentially to sort of like synthesize it themselves that you read an article in the newspaper and you think well is that good quality evidence or is that is that a good study as a a week study. How do I tell so? Trying to get some of that stealth stocks lessons in there as well. I mean it's interesting. You have a sense of different kinds of audiences so the different people who might benefit from information. DVD kind of fail yourself presenting information differences safe. It's someone who was like a parent who was once. It's now a burgess but didn't have any experience or so who's interested in an on takes various jokes as different as he kind of conscious that those news different groups might reply. Something different model might do something different with information again. That's something I'm really thinking about at the moment so I've been funded by the wellcome. Trust actually to explode the issue of what people or groups of people might find this information particularly useful and what what barriers might there be for accessing information in various different forms. And how might I work with different groups of people to make this information more accessible and that's kind of an ongoing project objected the moment but I think one thing is having it available in a variety of different formats is a good is a good kind of star confronted. Avoid the mythbusters questioned. But you got a sense of the myths about jokes at different amongst people who don't know about drugs and there's also missed within your coaches or coaches is kind of sense of those. Are you interested in tackling all those things many interested in where the myths come from. It's really hard to unpick. And I think given there are so many myths about alcohol and tobacco and even coffee that it's not just a sort of illicit drug subculture whisperings in Chinese whispers. Kind of thing. There's also something about like the legal drugs that we take. We still get this misinformation although maybe around our call it sort of sometimes it might be a bit more wishful thinking than The misinformation of just like really want to be good for me because I really like red wine so I'm yeah where miss come I did they. Are they different in different groups. That's a really good question. I don't know I want to. I want to look into the next book. I mean something Eh isn't isn't a myth is kind of unresolved question you've done. Well accused my work around is cannabis sixty kind of psychosis. What do you think we are at the moment incentive understanding that relationship? What do we still need to find? Yeah I think the evidence from kind of observational national epidemiology so that is taking Groups of people watching what they choose to do following them up over time seeing which people choose to use cannabis which people choose is not to and seeing whether the people who choose to use cannabis more likely to develop psychosis and from that kind of evidence. There is an association between people. Use Lots of secularly high potency cannabis. It seems to be coming out. Do you seem to be greater risk of going on to develop psychosis than people who don't use very very high potency kind of multiple times however the people who cheese kind of in that way a different from the people who don't and so when you're doing these studies you have to try and take into account all of these differences as well and that's really really hard to do because you not only have to know what every single difference is but but you also have to have a good measure of it in your data set and we can never be one hundred percent sure that both of those things are covered so whenever we do these studies we always have to interpret. Ah with a bit of caution said they lots and lots of these studies have done and they all tried to take all these factors into account and they do. Broadly seem to find that. This association seems to be there but it's really driven by the people who are using high potency cannabis every day and like kind of think of it the way I would think about alcohol also the difference between someone who might have a few bids after work versus someone who drinks vodka for breakfast yes. They're probably doing themselves. Physical who harm from the alcohol but also that pattern of behavior is potentially indicative of all sorts of other things going on in their lives as well. My actually be the behavior. Review of using that amount of strong cannabis might be sort of a symptom rather than a cause so untangling that is incredibly probably hard so people in Bristol in other places are looking different methods to try and come up the question from a different angle and I think that might be able to tell us more in the future because I think we've kind of exhausted this way of using this kind of traditional epidemological method because we see Condo Quanta randomized controlled trial. You can't take a group of thirteen year olds and say right. You guys go for news kind of just throw your teenage years. You guys go drinks alcohol. You guys don't do anything for lots of reasons. I can't do that so you know. We're kind of stuck with observing so we need to think about novel ways to try and Design Ryan in sort of checks and balances into these studies. So that's what's they work. That's going on here. I think could potentially tell us a lot about that. I mean since it started because previous can alcohol recession among the big problems. That was that when you asked people how much they drink invariably they say consider lesson appears to be the case if you look at the amount that people say they drink population level and you compared to the undersold Steve Fifty percent lower. So you've got this problem of what people say they do and it seems to me the way around. That is possibly do observing people while they won't drink because if you observe some while they drink against them selves. I don't drink the way they what they So there's always like a black box. There isn't there that you can never quite get into. Yeah and all. This isn't to say that that kind of is might not increase the risk of psychosis particularly. There might be people who have other vulnerabilities as well and for them cannabis might be an extra thing that sort of adds onto their risk. But it's just really difficult to save the set and and also I think the key thing would be. Who are those people and how can we sort of help them to stay safe and avoid developing something like psychosis Isis? I was thinking when I was reading that. But one thing that really struck me as someone who used to smoke rolling back with you the kind of way in which you know obviously addictions complex thing and there's lots of different ways to think about how depend patterns independence emerge by recall very strongly wrongly that one of the things I used to love when I was a smoker. was I loved. I loved rolling. Still do that now and I talk about I kind of feeling and I love the whole ritual around around out of the routine around it under the sensation on. I'm pretty sure I'd preferred. That's the effects of nicotine. Actually as as thing also raises all sorts of questions about the relationship between behavior and patterns of even happen so the big question that we know what we're doing about dependency. I'd say oh or dictionary refresh. What's your sense of that relationship? Where are we in terms of? Would you see as of how much we understand dependence or addiction where we need to go with and how far off we are or if even if it's not answerable question well I mean as a psychologist something something that I have a particular interest in as well understanding. It's not just about sort of biological effect of substance as to why people might develop independence to it. We know that people are more likely to develop problematic us from substance dependence from a substance because of why they using it so if people use alcohol Oh for example if people are drinking because they feel like they need to. That's a real warning sign that the drinking might become heavier and become more problematic and start to impact on my life because if they're using substances a crutch that that's how you can get into a quite a problematic relationship with it but also what you're talking about the kind of ritual of rolling a cigarette smoke sometimes even once the sort of nicotine biological dependence has passed. Those kind of cues much Zhou more sort of pervasive and harder to get through. When you find yourself in the same environment again is where you used to smoke? You see these things that remind you of smoking and you you start to finger starts to go there and you know That can then mean you're much more likely to have a relapse if you're in an environment surrounded surrounded by the cues that he was taking that substance and that's true for all sorts of different substances that because very political around addiction and then diction studies the relapsing brain disease model has its own politics around Asti on space on the far extreme the kind of public health healthy which is the C- addictions just what we call heavy use over time contract if you got a sense of how useful even days on addiction honestly our if we think such as addictions quite a difficult term. Because it's it's something is a term that we use all the times of colloquially I know definitely said I'm addicted to this new cream or chocolate bar or computer game or whatever and I don't mean the I've got an addiction to it or dependent on it or something I really the enjoy it and really enjoying something is not is not a bad thing when it becomes a bad thing when it starts to knock your life off kilter when there's a because potential or actual risk of harm from your sort of wants or wants kind of turning into a need for a substance or anything like that if it starts to impact on your ability to work or your family relationships that kind of thing I think that when we talk about addiction and kind of medical or a research firm we kind of means something more like that but even saying that. I think there's still a disagreement in in the sort of research field about how we should use. I use this term and I think using stigmatizing language like referring to addicts is something that's rightly kind of falling out of favor and people the beginning to realize that actually language has impacts. There's been lots of research done. Well not lots but so I'm involved in some more. The moment looking looking at giving people vignettes about people with substance use problems and changing the language from neutral to sort of more kind of stigmatizing language talking talking about being cleaned sort of implying this was dirty beforehand that kind of thing and the language that's used does really seem to impact on how people are then given a sort of set of questions questions about. Would you mind if this person next door to you. Would you let this person Babysit your children. You know this kind of thing and the language that's used in those vignettes really seems to impact on how people answer these questions and and the worrying thing was. It wasn't just people sort of general public people it was also People who worked with people who use substances or people happily worked in I think it was psychiatric. Nurses my of my filled this out but it was a group of people who come into contact with people who use drugs regularly and so the language is really really important and I think that's why we need to be really careful when we're talking particularly about something like addiction as a slightly going to the question. You've actually asked me so. I thought it was interesting and relevant so it's knocks myself onto a tangent. Well now I I think of it is as because I think addiction recovery. All that kind of stuff is a lot to do. We self identification right in the same way the identifying Ed's find as a user of drinkers a smoker. Or whatever it may seems to me that relationship self-identification I see myself as. Yeah the person on what you do is really critical. And I think that's another key point about language. Is that for some people who are in in recovery. Identifying I've spoken to people who say well I identify as an alcoholic because it reminds me of day not to have a drink and so for those world of difference between identifying something and having a label put on you. I think that's the thing that needs to be kept in mind when we're having these conversations. Yeah crushing other Quechua. Ashman which is to do with you talk in your book and I I did some work with Harry similar around the rat park study famous famous wrought by how many people have heard of the The rat park studying whether you may want to kind of give a brief overview of it. But you've kind of challenge instthat as not incorrect but maybe something. That's being over cuts in terms of what it tells us about about addiction and social contexts. Yeah well it so I can read the bits so my proposal I wrote about rat park before I did this research so yes this is why I wrote in my book proposal about Route Puck. I all right. Bruce found that rats in cages in his psychology department with self administer morphine at high levels. The rats were kept in small metal cages isolated from each other from pretty much any stimulation at all the only thing they really saw with psychologists fed them and occasionally made them do a water maze or some other experiment so Alexander Built Rat Park Hawk. A large cage complex where multiple rats were housed with room to roam levels to explore and all manner of stimulation. He found that rats in this environment with far less likely. See to self administer morphine. And we're more likely to drink plain water. And that's what I thought. Rat Park was when I when I first started writing this bookham before I went back and read the actual original papers. I thought RATS IN ISOLATION WITH SELF administered morphine until until they died basically routes. That's in rat park when when rats were put in an environment where they had room to roam other rats to socialize with they wouldn't touch the morphine infused water at all. They just drink the water but when she went back and read the papers it was much much less extreme than that is one of those examples. Where if a story seems good too who good to be true? Then it probably is and it's not to say that rat park didn't find some really interesting findings because it did but what's missed out of that telling of the story is actually none the rats in isolation or in rat pack initially touched the morphine infused water at all. They had to have their normal water taken away for about fifty one days in both groups before four they started to use they basically sort of pre addicted to the morphine infused water and then that was so extreme that actually rats in both conditions died during that during that sort of initial phase. They were actually by that point. They're only two female isolated that's left and they were by far the heaviest morphine morphine uses in the experiments so they really kind of drove this distinction between the two between the is located rats and the rat park rats so all this isn't to say that like the findings of rat park are still true in that environment is incredibly important in terms of risk of addiction sort of support and kind of stimulation And like being isolated as a really strong risk factor for developing problematic substance use for risk of dying from your substance use for all sorts. Lots of very negative outcomes so the result like the the way the rat park is used to tell. A story is true but actually what rat park found is the much less sexy than the way it's often portray. Yeah I suppose it's one of those things. We got a really brilliant piece of work but it goes into the kind of. I'm the coach. Isn't it takes to be really like an amazing comic about RATPAC. And actually that's much more based on the original studies letting the person made that comic went back and read the original studies as well. The other thing about rap park is that they measured how how much morphine and water had been drunk doc differently in the two different conditions which in experimental research is a massive. No no because it can really introduce sort of systematic biased if one way of measuring constantly constantly overestimates and the way constantly underestimates. Then you'll see a difference even if there's no difference at all so in the park they all the rats had different like tattoos will colors on their heads and there was this laser beam that they had to cross to release a drop of the liquid and then a camera took that picture. And that's how it was all calculated and then the rats in isolation had their water bottles weighed at the beginning at the end of the day. And that's how they Michigan much have been drunk. So it's like completely different ways of measuring across the conditions not since nutcase rats that kind of raises questions about if we want to stand as a real difficult things to me by an excuse about to the measurement thing as well if you understand why people take whatever jokes. They do how people respond. It's seems to me it's almost impossible to create an environment. Which is the environment in which people in everyday life do that thing? Yeah as you put it into into a contest environment whatever that may be an observer again it's like the kind of You know the should it gives you the cover. The principal you consider are fast moving. We don't know where it is or the other where you can watch you. Can you can ask people what they were doing all thinking when that taking jokes we can watch them. But it's very very hard. Isn't it to actually just naturally stictly capture what people are doing and thinking those environments who are always at one step and it's funny because sort of all of us are almost all of us are drug cases of some kind if we include things like our call caffeine then and yet. It's still something thing that we sort of with all Ajay's and we don't understand very well. Yeah like a university. We have a bar lab so a room the university that we've done out to look like a bath taps and it got sort of optics and all of this kind of stuff but I mean you still have to walk through a psychology department to get to it. It's not no I mean. I've been trying to persuade them that we need like a pump sign. It's give it some really nerdy name. I can't think maybe the PUCK. Yeah something something like that. But it's still yeah but then work has been done in the tobacco and Alcohol Research Group at Bristol kind of on the opposite that they've gone into a local pope urban done experiments where for example they changed all of the glasses one night so one Friday night everyone served all their drinks. Straight gross is one the next day and everyone served drinks in curved glasses and see then you can look at the bar takings and see. Does the shape of the glass have an impact on how much the pub soul that night. So it's like that's quite a good way of people. Don't I mean the tricky thing is getting those kind of things. Pass ethics committees. Because it's sort of persuading the sort of people not knowing they're being kind of experimented on until after the fact so obviously there are ways that you can do that. So it's it's worth thinking about ways to make naturalistic as possible. I think can tell us some really really interesting things. We need to do. Both because those kind of experiments have obviously their own limitations. So what you need to do many different designs that all have different limitations that you can and sort of hope everything triangulate rather than the messy world that we live hyphen wherever gives us a slightly different. Actually we're no closer to the truth at all. I find it frustrating. Sometimes it's uh-huh kind of setting environment and context and use and experiences and also actually I suppose one of the areas where there's a lot of research going on on Kinda particularly interested in an office about myths and what people think about drugs about some of your thoughts around psychedelics. It's a scenario where there's a lot of research going on at the moment but it also seems to me one of the most fascinating things about psychedelics. Is that while on the one hand. It's A. It's a very extreme experienced experienced and unexperienced as in some forms kind of John Senden an anonymous providing kind of a truth which is outside of cultured outside of setting and yet ask the psychic experiences. A vase adjustable people what people see what they expect to see or interpret their experiences in ways already embedded in culture. You've got your thoughts on on both. That and also academics researches is going. Yeah I think thing is really interesting. Time psychedelics research but possibly it's not quite as interesting as the media are making out at the moment because it's such a kind of it's so interesting people really want to know about it. That actually a lot of these studies are being reported before. They've really found anything so I love all of the studies that made headlines are kind of Akol sort of open label study. So they're not blinded. Everyone knows what condition they're in. They're very small numbers of people and they're more sort sort of studies that are about kind of checking. That's the protocol works rather than actually trying to find any results or any differences between groups or anything like that. They've been designed to see if the study can run but if they show anything at all they get reported saying like look this this Mushrooms Mike Kid Depression kind of thing and yet they might but we're a very long way off. Stop being found sort of with good quality evidence. I'm not only that but this isn't taking a psychedelic like and then sort of being sent away and told toll to go. You're fine now off you go. It's part of as long talking therapy over potentially months and it's built into psychotherapy it's not. It's not just a case of have a trip off you go. You're right it's like it's like part of this of psychotherapy and I think that sometimes gets lost in the telling as well that it can be a way of experiencing a different kind. Ah of conversation within that therapeutic setting but that therapeutic setting is very important I think your point about the sort of suggest ability of the PSYCHEDELIC. The trip is something I find really interesting. The very first podcast that pip and I did about psychedelics. One of the things we talked about was. What's the difference between different psychedelics? Is there a difference other than just sort of juridical and set because people who use different psychedelics will almost always say that they experience different types of trip. AH ON DIFFERENT PSYCHEDELICS. But then is not. Because that's what they're expecting to experience and it's incredibly difficult to know so pip. Suggested on the podcast that he he would be a guinea pig and we we we would give him something and not tell them what it was and he talks to try and see whether he could work it out from the trip I'd say apparently a TV company got in touch with him about making that as a program. That's GonNa Happen I mean that you can't get ethics do it on TV. Some some people say not me certainly not me. But that's what some people say. Yeah that's not a not an honest about saving. It just reminds you. Don't get to talk about socks and the person talking with talking about suggestive inches on one of the members of the audience. Got Quite upset. I and said look I saw saw decide and rather saying she's sitting. Yeah I saw my dad and I know I did. And he said what is there's like McConnell spiral economy thing. Did you realize you've seen it. And it was a really profound experience genuinely fun on experience. But also it's overlaid with expectation is overly so you having Nice. It's just a fascinating so maybe going to how do you. You assess what the PSYCHEDELIC. Experience is like in a research the because it's impossible to understand as you're experiencing it alone. I'm trying to explain it to someone else or you know Someone say rim taking notes of life and then the person said that everything had gone and then he said that the cockpit was alive life kind of thing so it's that doesn't really get across what it's like so I interviewed quite a few people about what their experiences on various different drugs. Were for the book and some of the things I was told a brilliant some of them have made in someone who said that. I think it's being on cattleman. They tried to walk across the floor but it was like sponge cake so it was. Yeah that was very interesting. An Iowa thing about other people's experiences on drugs as well I have to ask ask you before we get just because you've done a lot of work in this and because we've recently had an interesting intervention from the World Health Organization on this subject in your view. Are we in terms of vaping an e cigarettes and what we know about the relative homes vaping competitive tobacco the messaging. That's coming around. What the impact of that might be on reducing homes associated with tobacco use in the long run? We are not wear the W. H. O.. Say we are. I don't know if anyone saw that twitter throw a couple of days ago but they did sort of Q. and A. About vaping and they didn't say it exactly but they basically said that vaping is harmful vaping liquid is very flammable. Which I've never heard anyone say before? They they one of the questions that they asked was is vaping safer than tobacco cigarettes and they didn't answer that question yes or no but they said that depending on the strength the vaping of the nicotine in vape liquid and the other chemicals in vape liquid it could it could be more or less harmful sort of completely avoiding talking about tobacco tool for all the evidence that we have. We know when smoking I sort of became very popular. We didn't know that it was harmful and then when we found out that it was harmful. We didn't want we know. Now we know what the things are in tobacco smoke that are harmful and and when we look at Vape we those things that are harmful in tobacco smoke if they are in vape or either the liquids or in the actual vape vape itself if they are there that are orders of magnitude lower than they are in tobacco smoke vaping might have other unintended consequences but compared to cigarettes cigarettes on the things that we know that harmful about cigarettes they are a lot safer now. No drug use is without harm and that's vaping is not and with the risk of harm but compared to cigarettes is substantially less harmful. Basically by advice to you is don't do either but if you're a smoker and you want and you're trying to stop smoking then absolutely switch to e cigarettes immediately. Ideally try and come e cigarettes at some point but not at the risk going back to smoking e cigarettes are safer than smoking up. He's author of the night of the World Health Organization that might Komo complicated and needs to be on a final question which you can answer as you wish. Were Alien to walk into this room. Now look around you say to. Why do human state drugs? What would your answer be? I think most people take a drug for the first awesome. Because I think it's GonNa be fun and quite often that can be. I think people tend to take drugs for three reasons to feel good to feel better or to do better so like drugs are quite often very social thing so they can sort of make you feel part of a group. We I mean like when we go to the pub and have a drink. That's kind of what we do. Think about why people use alcohol. That's probably why people use of other drugs but then sometimes people people who use drugs as a crutch so to make themselves feel better if things are difficult to like people use alcohol to manage sort of social anxiety all the time. If you're having having to go to a social event particularly fussed about going it feels much easier after you drank that kind of managing an awkward situation by feeling feeling a little bit more relaxed or a little bit less inhibited and I think some people might also you some substances to like particularly things like stimulants silence to sort of some people. Do use these kind of things at work to help them kind of get through a long shift. It's not a very good idea to do that because they can often have other consequences consequences as well that will make like reading about lorry. Drivers who use I'm fat women to sort of try and stay awake and you might feel like you're more awake but your reactions Sion's a probably affected. Your ability to drive is definitely impaired by being on vitamins and yeah not in a good way. I think people use drugs for all sorts of reasons but it's people do use drugs and people have been using drugs for many many years off of his name. I always forget his name as an anthropologist who sent him his Brown Darren Daniel D Brown. Let's call him and that he made a list of human universal. Say things like things that you see in human human cultures across different cultures across history and things like play you see and things like communication and language he but you also see psychoactive. Active substance use across all sorts of different cultures across history so it is like humans have used drugs longtime humans like using drugs. Just ONA. Oh not what about do you think. Just be this pleasure. What about just being different as well? That's also motivation. It's just the motivation of feeling. Different seems to be different in itself so I actually covered by those three days three things. Maybe I'll have to add a fourth. What one doesn't fit nicely with the feel better do better? I need to think about how to work in a good way but yeah no oh I think yeah to experience different. Yeah Anyway. 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Super Bowl LIII Preview Week - Arash Markazi

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Super Bowl LIII Preview Week - Arash Markazi

"Imagine. This you grew up in the valley reading the other time dream job is to work for the LA times. And finally you get hired by the time. What's your silent the Super Bowl covering the Rams in Super Bowl? Fifty three exactly. The case for the newest columnists arosh Markazi nortre Dame high into valley USC Allom and now covered the Super Bowl. The Rams in the Super Bowl ever. Roth Markazi is at on your host bet. The brand is the arrive early leave late podcasts. It's Thursday, January thirty. It's about time. I get to do a podcast with my longtime friend, and yes, this isn't mea the hyperbole. This isn't me. Like overselling longtime friend of mine. I remember when when he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a college student at USC, he's now the newest columnist here at the LA times his dream fulfilled. Jim Murray, fellow at USC, you'll forget Arash, how cool is it work for the LA times. It's still surreal. You know? My first story ran this week at media day in just to see Mike my name in the papers still. I mean, as you mentioned, and I'm sure we've talked about several times that was always my dream is to work for that paper grew up reading Jim Murray, and how it it and I used to string prep games. And I don't know. It's really, you know, it's not that often in life where you get to fulfill your dream. So it's still not really it doesn't seem real. You worked for the LA times you worked for ESPN you work for Sports Illustrated. Why is the times that special for you? It's that connection to my childhood and kind of my love of sports doing I begin becoming a sports fan, you know, with the Showtime Lakers and Kirk Gibson dodgers in that time period. Again, reading those columnists in reading those people, I would clip my favorite columns, and I would put them up on my wall. And you know, and just so sometimes they think we know what if you know that kid would have known what was going to happen to him. So it's that connection that you can't find somewhere else. There's so many great jobs, and so many great places to work app. But it's hard to have that connection to your community into your city in the place you grew up in. So this was a job that I've always wanted. And when it was offered to me, it was a pretty simple decision. Even though I love the job that I had it ESPN. It was a jump that. I had to make all right now twenty nineteen. Everybody's supposed to wanna work for a duck. Tom. For website, you l z leaving the interwebs and you're coming to a newspaper, but as the longer just a newspaper now Daily Times is a big multimedia platform. Here's the thing you touched on it. It's not just get the newspaper every day. And I encourage people to subscribe to the actual newspaper itself. But it is a website. It is a hard cast. We're doing some social stuff as Super Bowl weekend. Are so many ways to tell stories that it's not just in the printed paper. But to be honest, what excited me about this opportunity is that the very forward thinking company that wants to tell stories and unique new ways. And again, we are doing a podcast right now, I will be doing social media shortly in. So there's so many different ways to tell stories that wall, I still love the printed newspaper. There are unique ways to tell stories now. So I just think of it as further progressing, and maybe bring some of the stuff that I've worked on before if I can help it grow. I would love that. So what your job what is my job h two calmness? Which is you know, growing up. I mean, you know on a score. Car was you know, my favorite thing growing up know bringing my personality bringing some fun things and really could not have started a better week because he got the Super Bowl. And as you know, me Beto, I like to go and how fun as well. There's a lot of vents and parties outside of the game. So that's what I will be covering this week art. So your call him the rent earlier this week said a comedian a bartender walk into media day. Whitten's media day day is sort of our first chance to talk to the players and coaches, but as you know, our people have seen before it's it's really not for the media. It's for a lot of characters. GMO of Jimmy Kimmel gear was there. You know, talking to Tom Brady he has a pillow that he says he made of Tom Brady, and there's a clown. There's a a woman in a sombrero feeding crickets and worms to players. I mean, it's so it's more of a production. Hold on. We got Tom on a park. Is it a radio hit? We want to get four minutes. A woman in a sombrero feeding crickets and worms of the player. I think she was works for TVS Teke or something. But yeah, she and by the way, she was a lovely lady. So all the players had no problem trying the crickets and some of them like the crickets, I guess they were sweet. And so, but that's the characters, you know, listen, we get to talk to these players and coaches about the game but Super Bowl hoping which they call it now is really about like the production the show, and they get sheer leaders, and they, you know, alive show outside happening. So again, we all know about the game by the time Sunday rolls around it's sort of a two week talk about the game. But that doping night is really about kind of like, you know, who's dressed up as what there's like comedians around the stage, and again, it's more of a show. Everybody trying to be victim. Exactly by the Vic is the g I mean, he should have been here. Vic, the brick is off Fenwick. Exactly. You can't be Vic Vic. The man, and they charge for this. So thirty dollar tickets twenty nine I think it was and it's it's not a bad ticket. And here's why because I came in thinking like, oh, my guy people pay for this. But listen tickets twenty five hundred dollars just to walk in the door. And so this gives some of those fans of chance to see their favorite teams up close and Yale and some of them came over to sign their jersey. So it sounds crazy. But obviously so many people can't afford it ticket to the game. This is their chance to kinda get to see their teams. I could see that. If your tickets go for three thousand dollars euro, exactly. And that's just like walk into the door. I mean, all and have a fifty yard line ticket for that much. So I can see somebody saying, you know, what I'm a big fan visit close up to thirty bucks. Yeah. I wanna make fun of. But I guess I could see that side. That was my thing. I wanted to make fun of two and I still kinda did. But at the end of the day listed, there's not that many fans who really are in a position dropped three thousand dollars on a game tickets if they could drop thirty and get their jersey signed see their favorite players. Why not I mean, people should have to pay three thousand dollars for the day the scene in Atlanta. I know there's no it's cold. It's not hotlanta this week, the bad pun it's freezing. So of the parties. So there's still going to be parties. Obviously the parties are indoors, and that's not gonna stop us from going out. And having a good time. It's not like it used to be years ago. They had playboy and maximum. All these other things there are still good parties. A lot of them are concerts, those Saturday night, there's a Cardi B in Bruno Mars concert. There is a Rolling Stone party in a few other parties by you know, when I used to kind of cover this more like my beat ten years ago. It was amazing the number of time parties that they had again, they still have parties. They still have good parties. It's not as crazy as it used to be what's the difference? So, you know, those playboy maxim parties, it was like the hardest ticket to get into honest like you had to be invited to. But now if you go on stuff up you can actually purchase tickets to these parties. Now, some of these parties tickets are going for a thousand dollars thousand dollars for a party who are these parties. I've never been any them. But I'm assuming a bunch of media. Right. Well, so there's like a shock funhouse party in Atlanta. Again, it's crazy like six hundred dollars five hundred dollars a thousand dollars nut. So you can purchase tickets for these parties. Now, whereas ten years ago was like unless you knew someone playboy or maxim you weren't going to get into that party. I guess I'm really Sunday forty 'cause I can't even magin semi live party Heinemann, let alone payment thousand will you don't have to pay. Right. None. No. Of course, not better. Come on. Okay. I was worried there for a minute when I'm doing is like I'm going to cover this stuff. So I'm glad that I can kind of bring that party coverage perspective over to the Los Angeles Times. Wait, you still get to write about these parties the ASO which I haven't really done in a while. So this will be a piece that will be in the paper this week this weekend. I'm not exactly sure if the time, but yeah. Because again, we are going to get these games when they built that new stadium in twenty twenty we're gonna get the Super Bowl we're gonna get the World Cup and the Olympics and all these events kind of giving the folks in Los Angeles feel a flavor if you will of what's about to come our way. That's another thing. I wanna get into you've been really adamant about how LA is the spot. It's coming all together the amount of vents come into Los Angeles. Now as you're in Atlanta. What's the outside perspective of LA? How are people viewing us as a sports city with two NFL team? I mean, they view us as not a football town, you know, because a lot of them kind of focus on. The attendance problems that the Rams had at the beginning of their time in Los Angeles. Certainly not this season did quite well. But you know, the fact that there's like usually like half the fans or for the opposing team and all this stuff, and listen, I get the national perspective of Los Angeles. But what I always tell people as you know, we didn't have a team for twenty one years. I teach class at USC, none of my students. Remember when those teams were here before so you have to, cultivate, that fan base. So these fans during that entire generation where they were gone. They chose whatever the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Green Bay Packers or something. I mean they picked their team. So it's hard now. Tell those fans listen, I know you've been cheering for this one particular team for twenty one years, but you have team in Los Angeles. Now, so you have to drop that team that you've been cheering for in now root for your new hometown team. So I do believe that will happen in time. But it's going to take time. And I do believe a Super Bowl championship will do all lot to help turn that tide tweeted today a picture of. Of Roger Goodell's press conference. Like you were there. What was he saying? There was a lot of questions about where the league is add in terms of minority coaches and the hiring practice in Colin Kaepernick in any. They were still talking about that call that blown call in the conference championship game. I mean, this is sort of our one chance to talk to the Commissioner this week not a whole lot of Los Angeles specific questions, but I get a lot of people are still upset about that Colin that didn't go the saints way. But the Rams and the patriots brass sitting front row together. And I don't know if that's common I have not seen that before that may be something that they do. But that was kind of cool to see, you know, and I'm sure they were very curious to see what the commission it was going to say as well. But and then the cool thing is the two helmets and the party trophy was there to their your all your story. There's over five thousand members of the media credential over twenty countries represented. Yeah. This is a worldwide event, you know, you walk around here. And there's people from all over the. That's always I wanna say surprising. But I mean, I know American football is not a sport that people play around the world. But everyone loves is the Super Bowl. I it is amazingly global event that attracts media from all over the world. But are people really going for the game? Just for the show. Will you know, there's so many people who are just here for the week. They return to their home for the game itself. So whether you're doing TV for the week out here or whatnot. I think there are a ton of people who obviously wanna go to the game at are here for the game. But there are there's a good amount of not just reporters. But even fans who just want to be a part of the week. I haven't watched the news here in LA like every single cheesy morning news shows there every single like radio shows. They're like how many interviews have you done throughout the week about six or so so all right. Yeah. No. But they're six day. I six exactly, but they are very curious about the way Los Angeles is embracing Rams in the situation. And what I try to tell them as listen. This is a lake. Town. This dodgers town a US football town. I think it's becoming and will become the Rams town. But it's going to take time. So when they say, what is Los Angeles. Think about the Rams they said they liked the Rams. But are they on the par with those three teams? I mentioned not quite yet. Take for them to become a Rams because you know this. I think we're on the same age everybody in LA has a team that the rue for most of those teams aren't here. Exactly as much as the Rams fans. Wanna say, hey, it's a Rams down the Ramle and all that other stuff. Look a lot of our friends raider fan patriot fan to how many Steeler fan you yourself. Cowboys deluxe fan growing up. That's right. I mean, here's the thing. You know, when they didn't have a team here that was my closest connection to the NFL to Cowboys had training camp very close to where I was living in. So that was a chance for me to watch a pro football team, and my brother became a big Cowboy's fan. And so that that's a great example. Like, you can't tell him. He can't be a Cowboys fan now because a team just moved in. He's a grown man at this point. So he has picked his team. But I do believe that if they win a Super Bowl there's always a turning point for a fan base for a team in a community. And I do believe them winning will in if they have a parade or something, and we get that entire. Summer or that entire kind of offseason where it's your Super Bowl champion, Los Angeles. Rams. I think that will go a long way in terms of if you're on the fence about being a fan or if you're not quite a fan yet. I think that championship would help that franchise so much Sunday. What are you writing about what I wanna watch the game with fans because here's my reference for my phantom or for the teams that I rooted for growing up being at these games like has a fan. So I was at the forum in the colonnade section with the Lakers. And I was at the Coliseum with USC in Dodger Stadium in the upper deck. That's how I became a fan of these things. I don't have that connection with the Rams. So I'd like to tell that story where I'm with fins and not an oppressed box on Super Bowl Sunday where I'm where I get to experience that where I can grab a drink and a hotdog and kind of enjoy the game. I got it. You're going to go to section three twenty six upper end on the last row. That's where you're gonna go. I like that way up. On top. And I want you to do a story with a Rams fan who is mortgage everything to go. And because what you if you're if you're looking for a room in Atlanta. I mean, you're looking at thousand dollars almost anywhere in the area. And if you're right by the same, certainly if you're blue collar Joe who can't afford to book flights way out early. You're going on the way, I'm doing this. You're taking a redeye Friday night. I mean, your max every credit card. Your kid is not gonna eat them. I mean, and you're probably you're probably going by yourself because there's no way you're taking your fan with Iraq. Exactly can't take the whole crew with you unless they bought their own ticket. But yeah, like, you know, you can't bring the kids as much as we'd love to maybe go to the with the kids. I mean, that's a lot of money. So I want you to find a story about a guy or lady who just saying I'm on my own. I'm gonna go find somewhere someway to get in. And if it's even the last row because they need to just be there for. Them because you know, we know this the World Series the Super Bowl all star games. It's corporate. It's for exactly the celebrities all of a sudden wanna show up for the big agencies of bring their clients. But and it's true. The average fan is left out of these big games. Then have a chance to experience it with their team. I feel bad. But it's just the way society is in the world. But if you can go find me one guy who soon the top corner by himself, and then you know, beer on me too. I'll pay for thirty four dollar beer. There you go the man of the people right man of the people. We can be. That's right. I have friends at around fan who wanna go wait a minute late. I mean, just the flight to the better like the flight was over thousand dollars the room was like bows dollars, the tickets like three thousand I was looking for one when you get right down to it. I mean, it's ridiculous. There's no flight coming back on Monday. The it's crazy. If you have a flight on Monday good for you. You're staying there till Wednesday. Maybe all right rash Markazi going to be a man of the people in the top day. I don't want you sit there the entire game. Come on. Now. We gotta get on the field to there's we could be a man of the people for like a quarter for the entire or is there going to be a parade in LA. Arash, you know, I think there should be. I guess I'm afraid of the optics. If it's not well attended. But listen if they win the Super Bowl, they should have a parade. They should have something because they deserve it. And so they've been able to draw well during the season, and if you time it, right, and you do it in the right location. I don't know if that's down figure or somewhere else people will support this team. And I think them beating New England if they can will go a long way because it's not just, you know, not that it would be less than if they beat the cheese. But if you'd be you know, we don't like the Red Sox. We don't like the Celtics like the patriots. So that would go a long way and saying listen, whether you like the Rams are not you got to be a Rams fan on Sunday. And then come out when they win and support them at the parade if they have one I don't care about teams. I don't really root for one. I don't I. Just don't care. I hate seeing boffin win as actually back to the child. I like Kevin McHale still to this day irks me to ramp anything anybody, but Boston brewster's millions. None of the above pigs. No boston. No Boston for me. That's all I care about. So go Rams. Causey? I know you're busy slowly them. We gotta get you in-studio who could really break down some page to go down memory lane with Alabama, but talk about on jeopardy rates and how you on the Jim Murray scholarship. Appreciate your big you so much. Thank you. Nobody better if you want to get the pulse of city Markazi, great job covering sport. But the vibe and feel what it's like to be at Super Bowl. Definitely a huge addition to the LA times sports seem if you want more Russia covered Michigan footer intimate Makasi a great job of pushing pictures from behind the scene on the Super Bowl for everybody involved with fifty coverage today, they wind the proof young chunk in Atlanta. I'm your host of the brand. Thanks for listening. Arrive early legally podcasts always all elephant Ponca can found on the homepage Ellie times conflict podcast Ellie time that come podcasts.

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Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin & Abel Sanchez (Pugmire) and UCLA Gymnastics (Richardson)

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Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin & Abel Sanchez (Pugmire) and UCLA Gymnastics (Richardson)

"A pack podcast coming your way. One two three four five microphones were needed for this podcast as boxer Connecticut. Love joins us in studio. He just announced his new deal with design an app where you can watch boxing his trainer. Abel? Sanchez joins us along with his translator circuit will be able to hear ninety in his native language, and has always whenever you bring in a fighter last our combat sports writer will be joining us then from there, Blake Richardson, the youngest member of the LA times sports staff actually, the intern who's covered the World Series is now on the Pac twelve beat talk with her about her experience here at the time of the young reporter. I'm your host. The Duran is time for the arrive early. Leave late podcast. It's Wednesday March thirteenth. Normally in the rivarlry late studios. We have a writer talking about stories from back in the day or whatever the news is with a special guest. It's a full house. We have a ninety galopin triple g Abel Sanchez is trainer. Sergei. Hopefully, I say correctly thirty the MasterCard. His translator lands plug by who covers combat sports for the LA times. And I'm your host Bethel Duran Gennady, you're here because you have a new deal does own assigned. You have agreed with them. How excited are you for that deal? And good morning everyone. I'm very excited real just you're absolutely right. When you deal big zeal career, and we're happy Gennady. It took a while for this deal to get that. I mean like by the time that you're deal got done. Cannella Alvarez already taken a fight after your fight and win December gets this ten fight deal. And then you followed what took so long. I heard that. There was some. Rumblings that maybe that they wanted you to align with a certain promoters any truth to that. Assam Dealey with Amy back Akia. You've also against them though. Chieko -til PG's accretion deceit in her shoes. E coli pasta, Mark Simona? Lucia? Do show the show my will promotional like a triples. You promotion your does he was immunise will promotions. Here poetry Lucci. Ogle took me a while because I was a free agent. And I wasn't citing not just for me. But the triple g promotion how my own promotion. So I went to have a best deal for myself and put people do promotion the way they announced that originally was that you would be coming back to fight in June. Is that true? And do you have an opponent yet? What's your thoughts on who'll you'll fight Yana dish grisly on the news until become more? Scotty saw cuddles from yell is his voice each us. Would you go at CG phthalic was mortally emotional? Well, I hope so I want to come back and have good flies. And now we can discuss when and how and where it will be possible able as you've trained naughty for a while. What kind of road you expect to see him now that she has signed with zone or another? This is finally over. I think it's not only Gatti's career. But now that he's in the forefront as a promoter. I think that those are steps we have to take lightly. He's already been in Jim about a week. But he'll come back the gym. We'll sit down and discuss opponents discuss dates, but we like to see him back in ring sometime in late may early June late may early June can ninety obviously you have a smart you wanna find you always wanna fight May June. Are you just answer? You ready to go can Yeslam conditionally? I got though finance with each. Stale which in the most of stray you e Emil crochet, Volusia Siaga by the founder, of course, you can see it on my face smiling. I see my future, I'm ready. And I want to have some good fights the future. It seems as if there's an incentive for you with this that will take place by June in that I've heard that if you win and of canal Alvarez wins has made fourth fi on zone against Daniel Jacobs that you will fight canal out in September. Is there truth in that? Almost all on us is this this year. Ously? Go is always Cannella, e then you'll Jacobs is opinion of Wisconsin a yard up the most it was more than soco's Elsa of the que-. Because fury public zero as was more public service thinking about not the Comoro. To liquor. Those personal nature was Loa e nationally on dish though is poisoning by. Shan's book series. Yes. Of course, you're ready. We'll be able to fight. And of course, I'm very happy. That will be a fight between the canal and Dale Jacob those wolf fighter Salvi high level a like to be able to come back and fighters of such a high level. So it'd be great if I can find any of them have they told you definitively that you'll get the canal Jacobs winner by winning your next fight, though is if she alum William of Kenya. No was mock serious liberal media book short of two zero. Boylans boy. Tokar lemme annoyed lifts polish ca. Poach his own. Holy details will be discussed soon. But anyway, you know, where we're going to be my opponent were Cannella ordeal. Jacob source are good boxer says will be good fights not just for me. And for my appointed. But also for that does and for all the fans. Here. He's the boxing writer. He's asking all the questions. I just want to know about hockey. One other thing. I just wanted to follow up on this is, you know, I think in the time that we've spent gaudy I mean, we've known each other now for almost ten years in all those conversations, you're such a pleasant happy, you know, well-meaning type person. And I think sometimes everything that's happened in Las Vegas over. The course of the last two fights has sorted cast you in like this different type of light. So I wanted to ask you given. Now, you're you're after the deal things that are going very well for you. What has been your greatest less than or cake away from seeing that out of your last two fights with Cannella that only one of those judges has scored the fight for you. Do you want to return to Las Vegas or your little bit apprehensive about doing? So given the way those fights have been scored. Reese by those rights on a jolt e scars rabid. I've bushel with Easter novelist Maria who is more because all store me's notes. Tom business e Goyal. Yes. The open e model of. Hadeed books will be the sports cock in business of wingels month. Rotea Sheila downfield conditional mood. Macchiato Lucho now for me would amongst euro. Which? Chamisa left's here wished mobile. Dillard. Aw, supposedly tips. You Oprah tips transfer Stolnis yeast e woodinville butchery way window at maximum who the national religious of life goes on. And we all become a wiser, and I became wiser, and I have more experience. And of course, I understand that. There are some issues with sites and the arenas where I was fighting. But right now thinking about boxing about business about fans or being wiser have always experienced I will choose arena, which is best for me for all the audiences are now have a platform to work with able I know the embossing the fans love the talk about what happened in the past beauty the sport. Where people argue all the time. Do you feel like there needs to be a third one with Cannella? I feel like canal Jacobs a fighting for the consolation bracket. They're fighting for the loser's bracket. So those are these belts. There has to be a third one. But as Canetti said these allow wiser now will understand going into. To what are the ramifications of the site of the judging and all the took place in the past. But that's the past. Like, you said does own now is giving us a platform to do the best. We can do for not only Gatti's future. But the future walks again with Jacobs and kennel be part of design was that one of the reasons why you sign what they that's what you have to fight them at the coincidences team on my chest were stone would wish was more serious taking by Simonneau. You can use. Until chromosome alms on dome. The book short of leadership is new might e push the up of Kim deceit would sell Buddha share of civil box. What's not a big secret? Yes, I wanted to have this white. However, it's I want to say something Gail Allen to say about something about does on does on a great platform is a great platform for boxing, and it's becoming a new home for boxing and for all the fans who like boxing enough of a boxing, politics talk. Now, you said you are skating month ago hockey is your your four to yellow Schiller blues. Portia blue blue egress month, blue basketball. Moderate regimen Yoshinaga, social Nkhoma. Throws anciently the sports to show up share chillicothe a bit sportier, Brizo Tigra module. He bitterly sport businessman of Shia who harassed vision. Pre reportable sport of human which has risen, well, I like all kinds of sports. Yes, I go like hockey. I like basketball I play basketball good friends who play basketball. And so I want to call everyone all the people all fans be active be athletic and also businessman, you know, for all business and be lyrically very important because athletics is an integral part of everyone's life. Are you playing golf each state has now egress neom on all to chance of ago, easy, go to billion C E privacy Herschel, remember more moving? Well, no, not really because I have no chance my play golf. Have a good time and talk about business about our fill out playing golf a lot of business. And you don't wanna play golf with. You know, you know, what imagine if somebody sponsored him with the kind of form that he's got any handsome commander, what he could do because the body frame that he has he seems like he could be an athlete in whatever he tries. You know, he challenges the guys in the gym. He said basketball challenges a guys in Jimmy gets about half court away from the basket, and he sits on his behind. Any tosses the ball with both hands from half court? Try one of these Nana I'm not trying too hard. It's impossible. And he thinks it really consistently. They Atlanticism to do that that court while we've seen this core workout, but he challenges the guys in very few guys Mannix tried it couldn't even get halfway. When he is there. He seems like he has a different attitude anything camp because it's different when you're at the summit fun. He's been doing it a long time. And I think the only way that you can do it at the level that is doing it for this long. You have to have fun. You have to be diversified. And make sure that. You're not only putting everything into it. But that you're enjoying it you speak Spanish noggin. No, though. You understand certain. Words that you know, that are not bad ones in Spanish. They're teaching you the bad stuff. Social sales seem you go. When all the regular stuff, which has to do with family food that cetera some regular stuff box playing sham the boxing language, I speak book sale Bano. On the food. Of course. What's good Russia word that we should tell able when able wants to tell me to keep on working. What do I tell him? How do I say work double able and he knows war? Or work and how to show. Hello, right as good. It's good. So he's speaking his language, speaking, your language, speaking books. How do they understand anybody up there from the beginning when he first got there? His English was a lot more limited. Obviously in my Russian was none. Boxing, boxing. They're simple things that had to be done these very talented fighter. And you really don't have to speak emotions are probably the most important energy. And you've been in that, Jim I'd let's all yes, it's amazing and to wash you talked about an audience core workouts? I mean to watch this guy in the gym. If you go up there for like an hour and a half and just watch all the things. He's he tried to have me do like the simple simple. Bris? How many pounds of that thirty two small one the small one over there? There's a reason you're in the media for him. If he wanted to go and GT get ninety and risked workout with about thirty two pounds. Cannot be nice to him. Don't hurt. What was the deal for how many years it says six fight deal that a lasts for three years and Gadea has said that he expects this to take him to the end of his career, which you know, the best part of that though in I think that's why took so long 'cause Canetti wanted to make sure that did you promotions? Who has promoted from the beginning when he came to the states he's had partners in the past. But it's actually GD promotions. The promotions gets to showcase some of the fighters that he's going to start working with we have a couple in the gym now. All really, yes. Of course, this man. Yes, we have one young man. His name is Ali medoff who is thirteen and he'll be fighting on the twenty four th of this month in Hollywood, but he's going to be signings more, and he's one of these type of people that everything has to be perfect and the fighters that we signed are going to be fighters that are in his mold with his work ethics and Judy promotions will be on a map once he retires, and he'll be more the forefront and be the promoter. You're setting yourself up for after boxing curtail maters sway with him emirs. Justin Chechen commander your. But lisa. Miami rebuilt. Ame- Jacob preordained Moi promotions. Tim, opem Choi the secret TIMMY was more of a semi could. If you're the emir about been promote which Monia just little shows Morrissey Lizardo Zona to emit region, though. Yeah. With. Yes. Absolutely. I would like to share my experience I like to give Mike experience all that shift to those boxers which work with me on who will be working with me right now. I have a great partner in designed because there's on what's to support it. And yeah, why not why not do that likes to do that to you as businessman and collect you baby in May June? We'll see back in the ring major. I know there's a lot of fans out there. They had the Mexican shirts, but he has fans worldwide ESE does in hopefully, please him again. Guy. That was fun. How long have you know? You know, I've covered him for probably about ten years. Now, he first came into like a small restaurant down by Beverly Hills and probably about one of five reporters. And I think he long remembers that and we've had a very nice relationship. He was dealing with a lot in dealing with this lead up to dissolve deal. He was definitely went radio silent, which was tough because I usually count on the access technology is as being something that separates our coverage. He's a fighter very interesting as we heard on the podcast. He used his translator during fight weeks. He'll say a couple of words in English. And it was interesting to hear what his translator Sergei was given the answers is there are more thought. Obviously when you're speaking, your native language is different. But the business side aspect, I've never heard that before we always hear big drama show. We would hear Mexican style the catchword the bullet points you are given by PR team. But to hear him in his own language, obviously didn't understand it. But the hear what he had to say many layers to this definitely. And I think that for naughty. Often fertile longest time boxing was just pure sport. And then when he got into the Arafat's, Canelo Alvarez debt changed for him. He saw from his perspective the way that judges were warping the outcome of the fight based on what made sense for boxing business in his eyes, this Geraghty's opinion, and from his standpoint, I think he got to the point after fighting those two bouts he said, I need to do what's right by me financially, and for my family, and I think that's what we've seen here with this design deal the design deal. People retire does own the Zia is an app it's two thousand nineteen and people complain I watch on TV when you're we'll figure out a way it's a subscription based service ninety nine a month. No, more paper views if you're on using does own the question where Jacobs canals at that. Where the big fights are at so for him to finish his career with them. It is a smart business move. But it's also a chance for him to cement a real. Legacy. If he fights those guys. Yes. And he absolutely wants to write the situations with canal, you know, Oscar de LA Hoya talked about this is a great rivalry that has the opportunity to drag beyond even trilogy fight between these guys because look good naughty wins a trilogy fi. Then it's basically one win Gennady one one canal and one draw. So they need the fight for a fourth time. So that opportunity is there for Godiva. He does have a possible rematch against Danny Jacobs who already defeated in two thousand seventeen and then another guy that has a belt on the division. Dimitrius Andrei has the L belt. So the naughty has said for the longest time, I want all four belts. And like you said, I mean, all of these fights are going to be there for him. And it was definitely by far the smartest decision. He made in when you factor in the fact that he was able to bring in his triple g promotions and bring in some of these your eastern European fighter said he wants to showcase it's a great platform to do. So it's a platform that very interesting and boxing for somebody. You're dead. Like the Olympics. You don't see them anymore. Kids are now forgetting about the lyrics, and they're their turn eighteen it. The sport is evolving to the having the apps where you can download it. Or were you have the YouTube fighters out there where they're posting everything about themselves their YouTube reporters, right? There's Oxy media, quote unquote, that don't how to write a word, but they have a huge following up there for you, Lance you have your newsletter. Also, but the online presence is would huge in combat sports, especially the MA World Boxing, though. It is absolutely. I mean, it's definitely an online sport. I think that in a conversation. We had an aside here with Canadian team they were saying like you're the only newspaper man covering boxing in the US and the in regards to fulltime beat I'm trying to think about actual newspaper yet because everybody else's a dot com. Or like, you said YouTubers that is crazy what kind of traffic? Do you get? We do great Angel Rodriguez. Saw the traffic that we are getting our sports editor. And he said, you know, sorry, we love the duck. And everything that, but there's no way that they can get near what we're doing with boxing and the MA coverage that we provide. So he old me off the ducks. I've been on boxing now since two thousand fifteen completely fulltime, and it's been a great thing for the LA times. And I think that's a reason why you get naughty often to be his first stop before he says anything to anyone else that news conference. He comes by here and says Hello to us. And if you have a chance, you can also check out the video not on the LA times sports website of the newsletter is called the fight corner. The fi corner comes out every every Tuesday at noon to noon, and I read it all kinds of I like reading that day later. I see on the web, wait a minute. Read the story. I feel smart twice lands. Plug myers. Great job covering combat sport. Where were you an intern? I didn't internship at the Anaheim bulletin which used to be a daily newspaper. It was a great experience. We covered the Rams and angels. In addition to like, local sports. So when you look at a newspaper. Or you're saying I'll read it online you see abide line. That's the name of the person who wrote the story me as a kid who used to deliver the newspaper, but him in the news racks. Okay. That's Jim Murray. That's alleman. Like, these are the people's names you see even now I always the habit. Look and see who wrote the story. So last fall started noticing a new name at the time, Blake Richardson and during the World Series coverage. I haven't asked art sports editor angel who is is Blake guy, which turns out is a female, and Blake Richardson is our guest today intern at the time, but doesn't act like it doesn't right. Like it. I was reading your stories and saying who is this polished veteran. I just met you. You were really good the first stories I read. Wow. Then they tell me that's our intern. So how does it work? I don't even know the LA times had inter they hire the best house at work. Now. I'm the interns come in the summer, but I was actually working beat. Dot com this summer, so they kindly delayed the hiring process a bit. So I started mid August. You're like legit here. Kind of I think so but Where'd you go to school North Carolina? You play basketball now. Your name is Blake everyone thinks our boy. Yeah, I get it a lot people get very surprised when I called them for a phone interview prevents show up. So what has been your assignment here at the only time I've been a mix of general assignment filling in on different beats also they've really wanted to kind of ramp up their Pac twelve coverage outside of USC CLA football men's basketball. So I've kind of been in charge of doing that, which is included UCLA gymnastics. And then bunch of other Olympic sports. What has been the coolest thing experienced at times dodger fans say the World Series? But you're not from LA. I mean, it's a great experience. World Series is really cool for me. Also because over the summer when I was working for L dot com is actually covering the Red Sox room. Yes. So it was really cool to get to cover both teams and have a bit of background on both of their stories going in. And then obviously that game that was like seven hours was really crazy makes you say, hey, maybe I should go cover sport the clock. Did you always want to be a writer or reporter? I kind of came into college not really knowing what I wanted to do. And then my sophomore year, I joined the paper did the sports desk because I loved going to games and stuff. And once I started doing I always really enjoyed writing. And just like, I can't believe people get paid to do this. Best kept secret. It's wait a minute. I get paid for this to go, see, something alike and your sports fan, obviously of your work at the support of the firemen and North Carolina. That's Jordan right there. That's. Cover the best while people there. I did. Yeah. It was really fun. I've always wanted to go to North Carolina Duke game. I to spend five thousand dollars worth. Yeah. I got to go to my senior year. I went to it in the dean dome and in Cameron, and it wasn't sane at Cameron. What's it like though when you're working those games a college student? It's definitely pretty crazy because you're kind of going and doing the post game interviews and stuff with everyone. And then at the same time you'll kind of see them in passing when you're going to class. And it's kind of a weird thing to navigate I guess, and it was definitely a little intimidating at first working alongside fulltime beat reporters who were really talented because North Carolina big beat. But it was such Madrid belong that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing with MLB dot com. Because once you get into a clubhouse. Nobody cares. If you're the internal whatever hauled, you are whether you're nineteen seventy nine years old you have a job that is kind of intimidating. I remember I I I'm in. I was in my mid twenties. Oh, man. I can't imagine you coming in. And you have LA times badge. It was a bit scary at first and then MLB dot com. Took a bit of a Justin. But once I got here. It was great because I was a lot more comfortable with cut just kind of going and jumping in with that kind of job to do mentality. Some young people who are listening right now. So how many internships Degen college, I interned for the news and observer, and then MLB dot com to but otherwise didn't have any kind of newspaper than you have to enter for these you have to go out there. Did you find out about these jobs Google? Just say Google, yes. Told people Google is your friend like what did you type baseball internships? I did. Well, I pointer has a list of like eighty plus internships that they put out so I'll kind of look into that. And then also just looking into papers that I really like in. No, very good and stuff, obviously LA times and just kind of applying everywhere nobody came to your dorm room and said, hey, here's an internship now. Yeah. Your back kind of on the college. You've been doing something that I've been following you because the UCLA gymnastics team has gone viral with the coq said, right? They have a gymnast who is just fantastic. What's her name? Caitlyn and Hashi. Okay. She has a lot of followers, and she just controlling the floor where she's out there. And I read your story on Monday that UCLA Polly pavilion was sold out over the weekend. And if you're thinking, yeah, that's always a lot. No. It's for gymnast IX over twelve thousand people were there. What is going on with that program? It's pretty crazy. It was kind of interesting the post meet in our view on Sunday. I asked Valerie condo's field about that. And she said that. Yeah. She said that one thing that was very kind of instrumental to their growth is they really make an effort to put on a show. It's not just a competition between two teams. It's also performance, and you can see it in. The floor routines. But even on the beam they'll have facial expressions as they're performing. And she told me she sees it as four different stages because she's a choreographer background, and like she has every gymnast after each your teen run around and high five the audience and really tries to engage people and makes it fun enough where everybody wants to come back. You also do UCLA bathwater them down year for the Pac twelve I didn't go to any Pac twelve games this year for the first time in. Wow, I it's been a long time since I not attended a pack twelve game. But when I would watch it on TV, there was a lot of empty seats. And that's a historical program. That's gotta be weird. When you're writing stories when your bosses are saying a cover gymnasts over basketball. Yeah. It was really interesting coming from North Carolina where the basketball environment is just insane to hear. But it's really exciting to because gymnastics is a really fun sport to watch that I think is a little bit. Underrated. And it's. Just really fun as a woman to see women going out and competing at such a high level that they are in kind of getting that reception associated you don't want to get on the gym nesic speed, right? Give you the football the baseball thorough time here, but that's the big prestigious beats, but you've taken this in you've run with it and your stories are all over the place because of the characters that they have on the team. They have so many cool stories Kaitlyn. How she's I you say like videos, and you did a feature on her. They must be real receptive to you dare so nice. The interviews are just really fun because one of the other reporters on the beat was kind of saying it just feels like a conversation with friends. They're all very nice. And I would say that stereotypically. It's not one of the first sports, you think of with covering sports, but the minute that you go to gymnastics meet you'll kind of fall in love with it. And I will catch myself reading like, okay. What do they do because I would see the video of the girl with the perfect ten on the floor. And then I'm like, okay. Let me find a story. And sure enough a lot of credit to our editors here at the time. And I'm not kissing up to them. But the fact that they recognize that there was some attention on that angle after it you also wrote a story about Noelle Quinn. Bisham Gumri, she's the girl's basketball coach their alumni. But during the summer where she working at. She is working for the Seattle storm in the summer. So she was WNBA champion one playing for the storm. And now they just switched over to the coaching staff says she's kind of going back and forth between hurled high school fish amount. Gumri and Seattle storm you read a story about a player who is coaching her high school at that time was also playing or the team. How did you find these unique stories that one was actually pretty lucky? I was working on a story on Kennedy Burke, one of the UCLA basketball players, and I reached out to the person for the Seattle storm who coordinates interviews in asked if I could talk to Jordan Canada because Jordan was teammates with Kennedy. She was rookie this past season. For the storm than she actually brought my attention to Noel, Quinn and said I actually had been meaning to reach out. She is coaching efficient Montgomery, and I thought the story was really cool. I pitched it to my editors, and they were very much like go for it a group in the south bay area. And you would always read about quite like she was like a ball star a best while she had a jersey retire like while she was still in college and the would hear these stories in. Okay, cool for a player who's gone on to that level. Play. The WNBA could make a bunch of money overseas is with the WMBA over they can go to Europe and make a bunch of money for basketball standards as she decided to go back to high school. And the story was that the players were accepted tour. She was looking for next challenge in life. But the same time the players were giving her life. It was really cool light reading that kind of story. It was really fun to write. It was kind of interesting to kind of think back to kind of your own high school experience and then. Writing about this incredible athlete who. Yeah. Is using her platform to be a role model to high schoolers, and it was really interesting. Just kind of hearing her talk about how she really wanted to be at the high school level, not the college level because she really wanted to help young women at that age, and it was really cool to be learning about the impact that she was having because she did choose to take on a high school basketball and not as public fanfare coaching role. I thought something life especially at the high school that she that Hellene Elliott has sent him the same chair. You're in right now for podcast at Helene was telling stories that when she started off covering Nordea football. She wasn't allowed in the locker room that women weren't allowed to do certain things at her male counterpart or as reporters and seventies. She's now Hockey Hall of fame writer, and what's it like being a young female writer like how you treated to Fran. What are the expensive you have because Helene, and so many others have knocked down. So many barriers for you to get there. 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Ep 127: The Case of Jamarion Lawhorn

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Ep 127: The Case of Jamarion Lawhorn

"It's September fourth two, thousand, fifteen, the place the Kent County Courthouse and Kent County Michigan. Joan jury. Advised that you have reach a verdict is that so Judge. Paul. J Dennen fouled is at the bench. The jury has just come back inside after announcing that they had reached their verdict. At the defense table is a teenage boy fourteen years old wearing dark slacks and a blue and white plaid collared shirt. He is seated between two of his attorneys and he anxiously awaits his fate. Van. Long. Guilty. A guilty of first degree. Of. For. All right. Jim Ryan Horn has just been found guilty of first degree murder his victim's family seated in the gallery, and they tearfully embrace after hearing the verdict. The energy in the courtroom is solemn. No one is overjoyed. No one is angry just solemn and sad. It's a case where there are truly no winners a case that really put the justice system to the test the legal aftermath of then twelve year old senselessly murdering a nine year olds. Today's episode might start with a guilty verdict but the fact that Jim Moran Law Horn was found guilty isn't really the focal point of this case. Instead. How did we get here? Why did you Murray murder another child and what would the justice system do with him afterwards? Well, you're about to find out. This is Jillian and you are listening to court junkie episode one twenty-seven. Sometimes the vitamin I'll can be pretty confusing. It's hard to know what vitamins you need and where to start Cara is a wellness brand that makes it easy to maintain your health goals by creating customized vitamin plan, and then delivering them right to your door. Here's how it works. You go to their website, take care of dot com and take a short five minute quiz about your diet lifestyle and health concerns. 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And Enter Code Junkie fifty that's taking care of Dot Com and enter Code Junkie Fifty? An August fourth two, thousand fourteen Timurian Law Horn twelve years old at the time called nine one one from a home in Kenwood Michigan a town about fifteen minutes south of downtown grand rapids. He had walked to the home and had asked the homeowner if he could use his phone. Glenn Stacy would later tell reporters that he thought the young boy was going to call his mom but he was surprised when the boy called nine, one one instead. And County nine one one. Where's your emergency? I guess how old you have an emergency? Up there at fifty-six fifty-seven Madison so five, six, five, seven. Yes. Okay and what's happening there At this stab someone. You did. Yeah. Who who was it? You just stabbed. I don't know. I'm fed up with life. You. Fed Up with tonight. Jim Murray and told the dispatcher that he had just stabbed someone that he's fed up with life. Okay. Did you stab yourself? No. Why. Whole Bunch of kids? To kill, myself. Okay, what did they or? A loved one. What is your? That me up forever. Okay. Did you. Take me to want to be on this earth anymore killing me. Okay that I. Understand Standard they there with you know where are they? I don't know he ran. He ran off. But you think I'm GonNa give me. Yeah. We're on the way but I just I'm GONNA ask more questions. Can you spell your first name? I didn't understand. Timurian. Spells his first and last name for her. Okay and you don't know who this person was. It just came up by you know. Okay and do you still have the Nice? No. Okay, what did you stab them with? A. Knife. Okay. Where is that? The grass. Okay. So it's out in the grass. To Marine becomes impatient and tells her to hurry up. Three up hurry up. Why would what are you doing? person just paints they take on Veasley. Go outside of DC, go Harry up and come down here taking the judge something affecting how you do on movies. Electric TRAMCAR HOW I. In the way. In the background someone, a male can be heard asking Jimmy Lyon if he did it. Did you I am going to come and tell me. That's I did. Not Want To. To Marine stood, calmly as he waited for police to arrive when they came, he walked up to them his arms out in front of him as though he wanted to be handcuffed. He was transported to Mercy Health Saint. Mary's campus were detectives interviewed him with his parents close by. I stabbed him. He told them. Him was nine year old Michael, Connor. For Kirke who was transported to the hospital where he died forty minutes later. Sergent Robert Douger with the Kenwood Police Department, spoke to reporters who had arrived at the playground for the stabbing occurred. He said quote initially, it appears as if the two do not know each other or were acquaintances were not one hundred percent certain. But at this point, we're still investigating that. Julia was arrested and charged with first degree murder making him the youngest person to ever be accused of murder in Kent County. But investigators were still left wondering why aged Marine had done what he did. Why did he kill another boy when he seemingly didn't know? Their answer would come after they made another discovery at the hospital. Jamayan was covered in bruises. In our prosecutor's office in King County here for almost twenty five years I started in our office I did our pellet work been working in the juvenile division for almost probably nineteen years and I've been the head of it probably for about seven years. Zeki Seidel is the head of the juvenile division at the Kent County. Prosecutor's Office in Kent County Michigan. Office is kind of divided up between a criminal division, a juvenile division in our family support. Are Doing all division. We now have seven attorneys in our division that handle all of our abuse and neglect cases. We handle all personal protection order violations. We handle mental incompetency hearing, and we also handle, of course, the delinquency cases, which is, of course, our juvenile cases. In. Two Thousand Fourteen Ins case had her desk. It wasn't a typical case that she was used to seeing. In the past, she only had three cases in which juveniles had been accused of murder and never won this young. How was? I guess pretty stunned that we had and when especially when the fact started coming out about. what happened and how it happened although the why of it is always a rather of a mystery. To all of us and You know just thinking what what, what are we at that this? Could put an you know planet a knife on a playground and then intentionally stabbed somebody a number of times. So shocked and stunned I guess would be my first reactions to it that. said actually happened and that a very young child would it was was killed. While at the hospital gel plasma sample was taken from Julian for testing and the sample showed that you marine did have prescription drugs in his system as he had told, the nine one, one dispatcher. Antidepressant and has sedative. Anti Nausea. Medication. A search warrant was conducted under Marines home where he lived with his mother stepfather and three siblings and what investigators found would later be described by one as unsafe and deplorable living conditions. There were rat droppings throughout the house, no sheets on any of the beds and only minimal food. The prescription drugs in marine system were located inside the house prescribed to his mother Anita Law. Horn. There was also drug paraphernalia which tested positive for cocaine in the bathroom. As the investigation continued police zeroed in on Marines mom and Stepdad. They discovered that there was a history of child abuse at the home. That in May two thousand thirteen child protective services had opened an investigation into a needle law Horn and her husband Bernard Herald. They noted that they had found mark. Ryan and that the living conditions were deplorable. They never reported their findings to the police however, and so nothing came of it. Leader the workers involved in the case would be suspended for neglect of duty. Timurian. Had gone to live with his father in New York afterwards but it just returned within weeks of the stabbing. As a result of their investigation. Johns. Three Siblings ages to to fourteen were removed from the home within days Marines. Arrest. In October two, thousand, fourteen while Jerry. was awaiting trial at the juvenile detention center. Anita Law Horn was charged with third and fourth degree child abuse and months later with Felony Welfare fraud. She pleaded not guilty to all charges. Her husband Bernard Herald was also charged with abusing Jamayan, but he pled guilty to child abuse. Abuse that he suffered is. It's a factor that goes into what you may or may not do or some of how you would try to rehabilitate. Going forward because clearly that's not a good way for anybody to start their lives but I don't always do it and you know people might say I'm Kinda mean wh what I'm about to say but I don't always view it as a excuse to do what he did. There are a lot of people we have unfortunately, I have hundreds neglect cases. That I handle every year. And they the peop- The children who are abused just don't run around turn around and kill seven year old child. Murder So, is it a a? Was it always a concern? Was it always something that we're trying to make sure he can work through as he's going forward with his treatment. Program that he is engaged in. But. It didn't necessarily play into whether or not. He needed to be charged reallocated she needed to be charged. In April two, Thousand Fifteen Ryan was evaluated by two psychologists one for the state and one for his defense. The seats psychologist ruled that he understood the charges and was competent to assist in his defense. She justified in a hearing that he knows the victim's name and knows that he was nine years old he understands the roles of the prosecutor, the judge and the jury. But the psychologist for the defense disagreed saying that he is incompetent to stand trial due to his age and immaturity. She said although he may know the basics of the court system. He doesn't understand things like trials and the appeals system. The defense also told the judge that marine attempted to die by suicide while in juvenile detention and that he was having trouble sleeping and was experiencing flashbacks. Both psychologists however agreed that Marine had major depressive disorder and that he struggled with mood disorders and insomnia. Judge and Feld sided with the prosecution and noted that one marine may not understand the complexes of the legal system that doesn't make him any different than most Americans. and. So in September two, Thousand Fifteen joe-marie law horn went to trial. He was being tried as an adult and the jury would have to decide if he was guilty of first degree murder or not guilty by reason, of insanity. Vicky Seidel said that even though Jim was being tried as an adult, they still kept his case in their family division. This would give him the same rights as an adult while giving them more sentencing options if it came to that. What goes into consideration when we? determine whether or not. We are going to try juvenile in the same manner as an adult to keep them in the family division is the seriousness of the offence You know the victims wishes on a certain issues, the any programming history or something like that they might have had. Of course, he didn't have a lot of course, but those are factors that go into whether or not we are going to. Treat somebody like an adult. Prior to opening statements judged Dennen fell told the jury that they must consider Germans mental state at the time the crime was committed. He told that the defense will argue that Shinwari is not guilty by reason of insanity and that mental illness and legal insanity are not the same. The Assistant Kent County, prosecutor Kevin Bramble if the opening statements on behalf of the state. He told the jury that Marine had been considering killing someone for over a year that he had been deliberating taking someone with him and then taking his own life he said that was in Jim Arians own words. Definition of legal insanity is actually a very narrow one. What Day you have to find what the defense has to prove, and it's a little unusual in that the defense we get to that art of the the case. Carries the burden there. But they have to demonstrate the defendant lack substantial cut capacity to understand the waffle -ness of his conduct, or he couldn't conform his conduct to the requirements of the law. And as a result of a mental illness again, he couldn't control his a he couldn't. Didn't know the awfulness of his conduct or could conform his conduct to the requirements of the law. He described Michael Connor, ver- Kirke who went by Connor as a very likable kid a very lovable kid who's teachers and loved ones enjoyed having around. He said Connor made friends easily and that on August fourth two, thousand fourteen. That's what he did. He made friends with the defendant. He said Connor is a completely innocent victim and all this that he had befriended Julian at the park and that when Connors back was turned Jamayan, took out a knife and stabbed him repeatedly. He described what happened when Jim Ryan was apprehended. On the Dick and I. Find lost, her client was responding. Disease Well. Chosen Walk towards the defendant. Bankas? Distraction. Provided by dispatch. and. He's walking up to the defendant. The defense has your. Client says. Why Because I just Samsung. Bramble reiterated that Shimmeran had been planning this for a year that that's what he told. First responders that he wanted to kill someone be arrested and then have them kill him. He told the jury that Shimmeran went into the kitchen at his home got out. A long knife hid walked to the verkey home walked with the boys to the playground, and then concealed the knife in the sand. He said Jim Moran was coherent at the time that you know this because he spoke coherently on the nine one one call and to first responders. He said the facts will show that Shimmeran clearly knew that what he was doing was wrong that he's not legally insane but a calculated murderer. Timoreans attorney Charles Boca Lou told the jury that Connor was a totally innocent victim. But that Julian was a victim to that he had been abused and neglected almost his entire life you're going to hear that he was beaten often with an extension cord and his back legs. Whipped by stepfather. You're GonNa hear that he was hit. His mother. With a Bell You can hear he's admitted he tells people. I'm bad. I must be bad. I'm a bad person. He said Jim Marines abuse was disclosed to people at school and to child protective services that marines parents were investigated and that they even admit that some of the abuse took place. But even though there were investigations, nothing was ever done. Jim Ryan was sent to live with his father for a year but then he came back and lived with his mom and stepfather again. Things seem to be going well for a time, but then a week prior to this incident, the abuse started again and he was threatened with it every day. He told the jury that Marine never got help even though his parents were encouraged to get him how He said Jim Marine couldn't take it anymore. So he took his pills. So, we built his mother's psychotropic. Medication. Sitting in the And you'll hear testimony exist system. After this incident, they found the existence of these drugs in his system. And what does he telling these people? Investigate there's a lot of things that. Disturb brambles right. A lot of things are inconsistent. One thing that is consistent. I WANNA. Kill Myself. He tells everybody that. I tried to kill myself I took these pills. I don't know what I'm going to do. He said every time Jamari and went to an adult they failed him. Choice. This is the only way out even tried to himself. And that? He told the jury that they would have to determine if connor was the only victim. Recently. 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Connor was on a slide when Julian stood over him and stabbed him he said afterwards, he helped his brother home and Connor told him. He loved him. He said Connor said something else, but he couldn't understand him. Connor in Cameron's parents also testified they said Connor came to them and introduced Maureen as his new friend he asked if he could go to the playground with him and they said, yes. When they came back home connors mom said, he was bleeding from his mouth that the blood was coming out like a river and that it was everywhere. Connor was pronounced dead at the hospital. Responding paramedics testified about transferring Jamayan to the hospital one ambulance employees testified that while he was evaluating him Julian commented that he had been planning on doing this for more than a year. Quote Jamayan said he wanted to stab another child and then be killed himself and he assumed the justice system would put him in the electric chair. He said Jim Moran was calm and said he had taken little pink pills. The lead detective in the case Amal. Car. Testified about the search conducted on Marines home. He said, the house was in poor condition that there were electrical issues, mouse droppings, beer cans, and flies everywhere. After Jim was taken into custody investigators asked him why he had stabbed Connor. Who Car said Marine said he did it because he is bad and always does stupid things and gets in trouble a lot. He said he thought they would probably kill him for doing something like that. He figured they would inject stuff into his body. Dr Susan. tramonte. Testified that Japan does suffer from mental illnesses but that he is not legally insane. She told the court that you're. Maria knew that what he was doing was wrong as evidenced by the fact that he hid the knife walked past other kids he knew beforehand and didn't stab. And then he called nine one one afterwards. She said Jim Murray and told her that he considered calling child protective services instead of killing someone. But that last time they didn't help. Dr David start the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on Connor testified that Connor was stabbed a total of six times mostly in his back and right side. Two of the stab wounds. His. What it was time for the defense to present their case, they called a pediatric child abuse expert, Dr Deborah Sims to the stand to testify about what Maria and told her about his childhood abuse. She said joe-marie told her that his stepdad would beat him with an extension cord. If he didn't do simple things like wash the dishes or refilled the ice tray, he told her that his step-dad treated him like a slave. He also told her that he had anger issues and once took a fake toy knife to school. Dr Sims testified that Jim Ryan was the victim of pediatric child abuse. She showed the jury photos of scars that were found on Cameron's legs. TIMOREANS MOM Anita Law Horn was granted immunity for her testimony during Jim Arians trial meeting. That anything she testified to could not be used against her at her own trial for child abuse. Anita told the court that she used to discipline Julian by hitting him with belts but that she never left any marks on him. She also said she stopped doing that when he was about seven years old. She described Marine as somewhat of a problem child saying that he would do things like set fires inside the House and forge his Stepdad's name on schoolwork. After child protective services got involved. She said they told her to put Amari in counseling but that he wanted to go to New York to live with his dad so he did that instead. She admitted that she never sent him to counseling. Jewelry and went to live with his dad in two thousand thirteen but came back in. June. Two, thousand fourteen. She told the court that on August fourth the day of the murder Jim Marine was grounded and wasn't supposed to leave or play on his computer. He didn't listen and when his step dad call home from work that day and found out that he was on the computer he was mad. His step-dad told him that he was going to be grounded for another week and that he would deal with him when he got home. Anita said that after Jamayan Stepdad said that to him Jamayan just said Okay and that was it. She didn't see that it affected him. Bernard herold Cameron Stepdad admitted to using a belt on Jim Ryan and said he was the one responsible for the scars and the backs of Julian's legs. Dr Preah row a clinical psychologist too met with Jim Ryan after his arrest testified that he suffers from mental illness and depression and that he did not understand that his actions were wrong. According to Dr. Rau childhood abused can affect the brain in the long term. She said Jemari lived in a constant state of fear that had trouble with his problem solving skills. She told the court that Jim Ryan told her that he didn't actually mean to kill connor that he wanted to hurt himself but then realized it would hurt too much. She said, he wanted to get arrested and then die by the electric chair or by lethal injection. He wanted to die. He wanted to end it all she said. Both the defense and the prosecution ultimately agreed that you marine suffers from mental illness and that he was abused. Timoreans attorney Charles Boca Lou said the abuse is the key factor. In the case quote. Frankly, we have a situation that's just a tragedy all around. There isn't a good optimistic feeling that's come from this case everything has been depressing. You've only had to experience it for four days. Timurian has. His whole life. Prosecutor. Kevin Bramble. said that although Jamayan suffers from mental illness he wasn't legally insane and that he had planned the killing for months. He told the court that joe-marie Ian had been thirty years old and set of twelve everyone would be thinking what a cold calculated and brutal acted was. And he said it is that it was cold calculated and planned quote he set out to kill someone and he did it take the emotion out of it. After four hours of deliberations, the jury voted to convict Jamayan of first degree murder. After the verdict members of Congress family hugged Anita Law Horn. And told her they hope her son gets the help he needs. Later that month Anita Law Horn went to trial for child abuse. What the detectives who interviewed? After his arrest testified that Murray told her that while his brothers and sisters used to get whippings with a belt, he would get them with an extension cord. Timurian, described to the detective various instances in which his stepfather would beat him. One, after he let sister climb offense another after his stepfather caught him playing with a toy gun he said his stepfather didn't like them to play with toys guns. But when the detective Astra in about bruises that were currently on him, he refused to talk about those saying it was none of their business. He said quote I think you're trying to get me to get my mom in trouble and she's innocent. She don't do nothing wrong. She's just trying to be a mom. He then said he was done talking. Abuse of Lyon, wasn't the first time Anita Law Horn had been accused of abusing her children. Years. Prior, she had been forced to give up custody of her two daughters she had in New York after one was found with broken bones and the other with cigarette burn marks. At her child, it came out that she had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder anxiety post, traumatic stress disorder, and depression. But. Anita's attorneys argued that Bernard heralds her husband and marine stepfather had been the one who really beach and marine and left marks. This was something Bernard tearfully admitted to in court saying that he would just lose it and whip him. He said that's how he was raised and that he was doing what his dad had done to him. I was always raised that a man raises young men he said. According to a child protective services investigator however Anita did admit to hitting Jemari with the belt twice quote she stated that she was angry her anger got a hold of her and that she used a lot of force. Anita was convicted and both she and Bernard who had pleaded guilty earlier were both sentenced to one year in jail and five years probation. They were to complete parenting classes and couldn't contact Jamayan unless they got permission. Anita apologized in court. Cowan's downside to. The one. that. You always be my son enough. For. West. Encouraged. I feel. Tour. Added that I will be. Standing here this. Over and over the Different. My fault. Talk. At Jamayan sentencing November he to apologized for the stabbing. I'm sorry for all the pain you are going through. He said I wanted to die because I thought there was no way out. Connors dead told the judge every day I relive the horror of holding my dying son in my arms. He said, he's a shell of the man he once was. Conner's brother Cameron, spoken court to saying he misses his older brother and will miss him forever. Judge Paul Dennen fell decided to implement what's known as a blended sentence. Jim Ryan was ordered to juvenile detention facility for the next six to eight years. If he doesn't get into any trouble, he could potentially avoid serving an adult sentence and go free. How does were is when you are when you have a conviction and he does have a murder conviction for first degree murder. Is the judge has an option at practice prior to his nineteenth birthday he's entitled to a hearing. AH, that hearing basically the informational show should he be continued court ward for a period of time? Should he be released treaty be sent to the Department of Corrections an adult sentence being imposed upon him. So we'll have a hearing at that point and of course, our office will be asking them to keep them at least for sure until extended to his twenty first birthday. We can do that because a specified felony was committed. Michigan law allows us to certain escort and allows gives the court jurisdiction to keep juvenile until they're twenty until they're twenty one. Now, they're just prior to their twenty first birthday. Kind of same type of hearing. That would have occurred when just prior to his nineteenth birthday. is scheduled again, and at that point, the judge will hear the evidence as you re a little bit rehabilitated is your risk to the community has he taken advantage is taking advantage of the programming his counseling. There's probably about nine or ten factors that go into it, and they're all set forward by our court rules and we go through those and if the judge says well I think he's really rehabilitated he can say all right you're done and discharge him from being a court were didn't might never serve a moment in the department of crashes. Judge Jenin Feld said I believe in redemption I'm not willing to give that up on a thirteen year old boy at this point. Good. Luck. He said to Jim Ryan as Jemari and left the courtroom to start serving time at the. Juvenile Detention Center. When talking to reporters afterwards Connors Perrin said they were okay with the judge's ruling. Connors dead said it's up to Jim Ryan and how much effort he puts into rehabilitating himself and becoming a better person. I review was that following May in two thousand sixteen. His probation officer told the court that he has occasional outbursts and suffers from PTSD but the report was generally positive. It was noted that shenanigans mom had only visited him once since she was released from jail herself two months prior. Judge Dennen fell told Jillian. You're not perfect I'm not either we need to keep working on your issues. Six months later in November two, thousand, sixteen everyone gathered in the courtroom again for Marines Second Review. His case manager Melissa Marie told the court that you marine was depressed and was processing the seriousness of what he did. She said he had started harming himself and had even attempted suicide. Quote. Jamayan has an idea in his mind that because he took a life, he doesn't deserve to live. One of Julian's counselors, Steve Wheeler said Jim Ryan had come very open about the abuse he suffered. Wheeler told the court that it goes beyond abuse that in his opinion which Maria and went through bordered on torture. Melissa. Marie said that when Anita Longhorn visits her son, he gets noticeably better but she pointed out that Anita had only visited a total of four times even though she was told that she should becoming at least on a monthly basis. The detention center even offered to drive Anita there and back but Anita's still doesn't show. emery out that Anita wasn't present at the review either. Today's yet another disappointment regarding Ms Lahore not being here in support of him she said. Another counselor said that due to Anita's inconsistency marine would experience mood swings. Jamayan told the court that he doesn't think his mom should be forced to visit him. He said he talked to her about it but that she always makes excuses and he doesn't know if she's being honest about it. In, November two thousand seventeen another review Anita wasn't present at that one either and the court heard that she had not visited since July and that they had been unable to get in contact with her. But despite that Timoreans counselors said, he was doing well and was extremely remorseful for having killed connor. The following year in November. Two, thousand Eighteen Timoreans counselors reported that he was continuing to do well. Marine himself said I think God for all the support. I got I'm doing good. Judge didn't Feld seemed pleased with generations progress saying that he's impressed every time he sees him and that he's thrilled to watch how he has progressed. Anita did attend this review although her visits had remained infrequent. This time, the judge addressed her. Quote your visit seemed to make a significant difference to Jamayan. He loves you. He loves his siblings. He would like to see all of you as frequently as possible. He. Asked her. If there was anything, they could do to make it easier for her to visit. Anita told him that although she works a lot she has issues with finances. Judge Dennen. Feld said that all he could do was to encourage her to visit. Quote Jamayan committed unusual offense for a young man of his age. He's doing tremendously well, I just hate to see any kind of setbacks that could be prevented. One year later, the court got another positive report about. His counselors said that he continues to do extremely well. And there was a surprise attendee this time in court there to support him. Connor Burke's grandmother who had started visiting. Jamari. Regularly. After the hearing Jamayan actually spoke to reporters. Right to kill Connor. Kyoto Mata anchored I was built. And only for me, it's like it's time for me to make your right to own up to mama stakes. Is. Give to the community for what I took. He also addressed Connors Grandmother Tony Newmaker, and said, this was the love I needed. Miss Tony Preview. A. Julien's most recent hearing was in June two, thousand twenty the court heard that he was continuing to do extremely well, and that he was even mentoring others entering the facility. And there were two additional supporters in the courtroom. This time, a former detention worker who had first admitted him into the juvenile facility and another woman who had since become an advocate for him. Judge Dennen fell told Jamari and that he is an extraordinary young man quote every time I see you I'm more impressed and you've matured you've continued to grow. And I think you've got a terrific life ahead of you. Timoreans nineteen th birthday is next year in twenty twenty one. That's when the first big hearing Vicki Seidl was talking about will happen where she and her office will recommend that he stay in juvenile custody until he's twenty one. The judge has the authority to go with their recommendation or he could release him. It sounds like it's likely that you're marrying will remain in juvenile detention. He's twenty one and when that hearing rolls around the burden by preponderance of the evidence falls on the prosecution to show that he's either not rehabilitated and or he poses a risk to the public. The burden is on our office to show act it's the rules of evidence don't apply and we go through the same factors. We present kind of what I just gave you an overview we have to present evidence on all of those factors to to the to the judge and the judge makes the decision. At that point. All the reporting I found. Marines. Recent hearings have shown that he's doing great. I asked Vicki what she thinks about Julian's progress. I, attend every hearing has well So I do keep close tabs on his progress. And he's been doing great and you're right all the reports are that he's doing great. And matter of fact, although the judge doesn't have to accept any recommendation, I would give on and things he always asked for ours in our opinion of this. Zinke. Then stopped for a minute and told me about another case she had. A juvenile who was a little older than Jomar Ian shot and killed his stepfather. He was sent to a juvenile detention facility and according to his plea agreement. He had to be there until his twenty first birthday. She called him a trailblazer for their whole program and they realized that they had to prep him to ensure that he was ready to rejoin society and to do that they couldn't just keep him confined. The same now applies to Jomar Ian. We started realizing that you can't just keep them in an institutional placement without having outside. Of some sort. So we actually. is part of our design because The team needed to learn one he needed to get a driver's license. He needs to know how to order a meal he needs to know how to. actually live outside of an institutional placement. So we built into it in some ways where he can go off grounds for a period of time. He has a couple of people that are really good mentors for him that he does some stuff with we agreed that he can work in the kitchen to you know help learn how to cook and all that kind of. Stuff and also take college courses and so in go and get your not necessarily a driver's license but get a Michigan ID. So built into this is where we're trying to integrate back into society if you will so that if he was released on his nineteen birthday twenty first birthday is not like hello you just let me out and you never gave me any ability. To be on my own. That's included in the program we're trying to do for the rehabilitation. And every step of the way when he's been granted off campus if you will site on time and overnight, even he's been doing great which which is what the master plan is on. Any of this is one of the major goals of the juvenile justice system is rehabilitation of the offender. She said the juvenile who killed his stepfather was discharged his twenty first birthday about a year and a half ago now, and he's been doing great so far even acting as a mentor now, for Ryan, and showing up in support at his hearings. Vicky has hope that Jim Marin will be the same. Do I have what we all opened the very end is a successor that showed it worked. Yes. Is going to work for sure with Bari and I. Hope. So otherwise I feel like I would be wasting my life's work. If it didn't work. As for where marine will go upon his release Vicki said, he already has some options. In this case, it's a very interesting enough. he does have some people some adults who took an interest in this case early on who in some ways have defended him and we do have somebody who's willing to take come. into their. Home. when he would be released. So and that's where we even have some over nights visits going on. So she got lucky I guess I don't know if lucky right what I'm gonNA say lucky that everybody might have that to fall back on and if he didn't. It would be more concerning because. What I was getting up before is it can't just release somebody if they don't have anywhere that they really can go. tomorrow and his mother's have A. Interesting relationship. But that is not where the plan would be that he would go at least I. Don't think that's his plan. At this point. But he does have to people that are really good for them and one of them actually a third person, which is the grandmother of the victim. And that's all for this episode. So what do you think about this case? Do you agree with the outcome? Do you think Timurian should be released on his twenty first birthday? Let me know your thoughts by joining the conversation on Instagram at court junkie by tweeting me at court Chunky pod or by emailing me at podcast at court Chunky DOT com. I. 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Genesis Invitational Preview with Geoff Shackelford

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Genesis Invitational Preview with Geoff Shackelford

"Are we are here at Riviera Country Club at genesis invitational all the newly named Invitational Status We're like what thirty thirty five steps from the Hogan Statue with a very important man. We don't have Mr Hogan in here sitting with us but Geoff Shackelford is here. He has a ton of history here at Riviera Country Club. What I WANNA know is in the La Dolf power rankings whereas Geoff Shackelford? George kisses up there now. He's high we continue to include. It's not if they're on the list I'm not on. The list is Tiger California Golfer at this point Scott a deserted us but coming back to host the genesis I think gets him back in full Full status on the list La I don't know he's more of an Orange County guy but but we're very happy to have you on on Martin. Yes he's moved to. So yeah I'm doing well network so like I said you have a ton of history here and you wrote the history book here. What is probably most interesting to me is like where does your history begin? Where like you have been around this place for for your entire life? You still live view very close. So where does all begin for you. Here you know I was very lucky my Dad was in the Gulf business and he joined here when I was about fifteen about several sixteen and so I got to play the course a lot. It was crazy place at that time. It was a public off-course of course essentially it was very busy but we would have to put our name on a board and wait two hours to get out now. They do like twenty five thousand rounds a year and it's ultra private yeah So it was is a Just a great way to kind of I was always interested in course design and history and obviously being here. And then you start kind of off Absorbing who's walked these grounds and every great American Golfer has has played including Bobby Jones and didn't really like the course it probably. It seems it was too hard to him when it opened. He made a comment. And there's a picture of him and his hairs you know. His hair was never out of place and he's just looks like he's been in a timely dyslexia commensurable and it's in our history book. I loved that photo because it was like. Oh well that that matched his quote and his only beef was of course was too hard but then he go through. You know. Nicholas didn't win in here but he got close and then every other great player probably in in the upper echelons has one here except tiger. And Jack Jack. Isn't that crazy. It's it's nuts 'cause it's generally rewarded. Great players and Jack came so close Momeni many times I mean the PGA the senior open L. A. Opens. It's kind of it's kind of like tiger. Tiger hasn't played here as much right. Yes played thirteen times Yaldo now hard on himself. He's made it like this is going to be one of the strongest longest fields in the entire year. He has made it more difficult decided to ignore the event during the like real real prime of his career. He did. He had reasons. The Greens weren't as good back. Then and you know how he feels about POA so that was part of it and then he had a bad experience here. Two thousand six where he played he was a little under under the weather? Steve Williams did not pack an umbrella and we had a surprise rain radar quite even then like we have now our forecasting like we have now which is amazing to think that was only thirteen years ago. Yeah gets wet gets more sick and then he was staying the east of the golf course which you don't do. The one negative of this tournament were staying West. You're staying West which I asked Dylan quickly Early on in in these discussions laying the groundwork for this this seminal podcast recording That you do not stay east of the course. And for whatever reason he was and he got caught It's the worst time of year. There's just everybody's working Hollywood's worrying every school's in session. Yeah and he got stuck in like an hour and a half track just to get to the four oh five. I was in eighth grade at this point so he did not come back after that and I actually asked him the first year he was coming back in involved in this I said you you are staying West. Gov Corsini laughed and he goes so he learned his lesson anyway but but to my story here so I just fell in love with the history and Emmy it's as historic course as there is in the United States just in terms of the people who've been here the architecture the movie stars Yeah we just had the Oscars last night. Yeah and everything about this place has just been nuts in terms of the history and then the location. I mean you guys do win the award for the best podcast location mile eighteenth with the ocean view and yeah. It's pretty sincere water. We can see number ten. This is my first time at revere. My first time seeing number ten in their Saints Saints Tenth. It should be interesting. We've got a downpour yesterday. So I'm glad though it it's been very cold here and when it gets cold. Green gets little borderline these two of the best of holds the PGA tour in near optimum. Or do you not feel that way. Yeah Oh yeah absolutely I mean. I have some conflicted feelings about the tenth of late as a lot of the players who it has been getting a little border line tricky. That's why I said it was nicer to rain yesterday because when the green gets pushing like thirteen and a half can get a little goofy and then yeah eighteen means. It's it's it's kind of bizarre hole and a lot of ways because tough the bunkers don't really mean much it's a blind tee. Shot is not much around the green and yet everybody everybody loves it. It's near the bunkers. Now they're only play for a bad golfer in. Yeah yeah they're they're there for looks more than anything so it's it's kind of bizarre finish and yet over the years it's produced all these great moments and the amphitheater I think is the thing that you just can't grasp on television. There's nothing like golf because it's it's not only is it able to host a lot of people but it's vertical and and the noise when there's a moment there is. There's nothing like getting golf because it's so vertical so on top of the green that it's just that's why so many people love to sit there on Sunday. How long does it take you to write in research research and do all the work for a course history like this place? I mean that has to take you countless weeks. Yeah I was really lucky. It was fi out a full year to work on it. I propose that after college when I realized I couldn't play over you I was twenty three ten and They had the PGA coming up and they wanted to do something. And so I- proposed it. And I had some great help from older members and Jim Murray wrote the foreword the Great La Times on this show who I got to know during the Greens project project here. which really got me interested in golf? Course design okay He wrote a wonderful forward about the course so that was an incredible and on the twenty three year. Old doing this work. I like anything I showed my passion for it and my interest. You know when you get older and you meet people who are younger. Who who appreciate history St Tell You you can tell you can see it and you want to help them? So I've kind of become the same way with people have shown interest in golf history and yeah So there are a lot of incredible. The people around here at the time and the owner is very passionate about the history and the as he should be because the more you tell the story of this place the more you realize holy cow now. There's nothing quite like Riviera in American golf in terms of again not just tournament history architecture. Then you have the added element of of celebrity and I'm that just just And then just having so many events here and the Events Higher Olympics twenty twenty eight so yeah it's got Everything coming here. Yeah I did know some of those stories. Because you know we can get kind of East Coast centric you can get Florida's centric when it comes to PGA Tour especially you know half the top twenty living in Jupiter Ram what is it about La Golf. That is different and do you have any of these favorite Brit stories about celebrities playing the game playing at these clubs around here. It's an odd town town. I have no problem. Yeah confessing passing that. It's not America's greatest city. Yeah for a couple of reasons. the the exclusive clubs are very exclusive on. The beauty of Riviera's is that it does open. Its doors to turnament so we all get to come and enjoy at once a year with the greatest players in the world. That's nice which you don't always get La Country Club is going to host the US Open in a few years. That's incredible Again knowing their history but we have we have an odd dichotomy of these elite gray golf courses uses and then the public of course seen isn't great the city of La isn't so hot in the way they maintain the courses and they've Kinda let them go and we have we have the the facilities are just like a lot of cities. Is there more. I mean we have a homeless problem. So it's like how can you be spending money. It's tough so and they have a lot of layers. So it's it's a weird city in that sense not a lot of places to hit balls. And yet you go to Rancho Park and just like places back east amazing characters It's pretty used to produce a lot of really good golfers. And they're always characters on the range just hitting balls and Studio City Range. She's to be famous for the celebrities. Who went there probably still go there although it's not long for this world so it's a it's a weird town that way and then obviously stars and that was one of the fun things going back to the to your question the book Just stuff like that. Humphrey Bogart used to you. Know hear it on the broadcasts become become almost a drinking game you know. He's the love the just get completely sauced out there on the twelfth leaning against that tree and Jim Murray was wanted always sitting there so he'd ride about it and that kind of how passed along But there are you know we have a it's interesting because the celebrity L. Minute Riviera Kinda started more with the Polo Club. Okay which is where. You'll be parking this week. Paul Revere Junior high well. Let's it's only Monday makes somebody mad. You may see me on the middle school show. The Riviera really struggle like a lot of clubs in the thirties with with golf because the depression but the Polo Club was the place to be. I mean it would. They had a Sunday Polo game Or match and and Clark Gable will rogers was kind of a host Just the double. Douglas Fairbanks Mary. Pickford all these uh-huh that's the biggest celebrities of the day and that kind of kept everything going the Polo Lounge the Beverly Hills hotel famous restaurant and bars called the Polo Lounge. Because that's that's where they went after the Polo but I mean they used to get big crowds for it. It was the thing that kind of kept all this going. So it's funny. How when you look at the history of the place you think Riviera and they had these great tournaments in the late twenties golf then? The depression Paulo. The Khanna kept it going whereas other places struggle. So it's just a multi layered and just a wild place when you finish this project right in the club's history there has to be like one or two or three things thinks that you learned that blew you away or die you would have never imagined happened. I'm just assuming here. What were those things? What bleejon well on the totally architecture walkie side and I won't bore you with it but but Ben Crenshaw was the one I gave him some of the articles I'd found and the and the thing that we kind of where we hit it off was as they were doing the project? I was at school at Pepperdine and I was playing golf. I was not playing well and I was not enjoying the game anymore and trying to figure out what I'm GonNa do with my Life and then they were doing this project here and so I just for whatever reason I just started getting kind of a bug of wanting to find old photos so I went to some some of the old libraries around here found these folks. Bring them out show Ben and of course you know. They're in the middle of the project and he was like. Wow this would have been nice to have had before we started. I told him but anyway so it was really fun to learn all the things that I learned about the course and then he showed me things like this eighteenth green. You're looking at They filled this whole area to get the green green to be at the same levels of fairway which at the time would have been unbelievable? Does it that amount of work to fill that. It was a bit sunk. It was much much more sunken. Yeah it was. This was a canyon where we're here sitting above the eighteenth green where everybody will see the the amphitheater. It was actually kind of Cool Sage Scrub Canyon. This got filled in at some point to facilitate the bigger crowds than and this area up above anyway so things like that and obviously in the tournament history. You know you go back And this is the seventieth anniversary of Hogan's comeback which was here Riviera? No offense to tiger I'm I'm kind of putting tiger now. Third on all time great comebacks. 'cause I kind of forgot the Babe Zaharias won a US Open with a with a bag you know after colon cancer and then flex level. Yeah it's Kinda level. Yeah but but Hogan came. Here weather was cold rainy crappy You've seen probably photos where he's sitting sitting on a little footstool on the range. A pretty famous photo there had to soak his legs every night and absence salt They made a movie about that. One thousand nine hundred eighty comeback and not only. Was it crazy. He lost in a playoff to SAM. SNEAD they had to come back after the crosby the finish it did it on a Aw Gee I think it was on a Wednesday. Because there was a women's event on Tuesday they had to drive from back from Pebble Beach Monday. So the famous comeback took forever and it was. I mean it's crazy to think how he went through all that and it wasn't. That was such a short amount of time since his buzz. The getting hit by a bus So he was when you think about everything in the way he played. This place was just insane Winning US Open here and the and the L. A. Open and forty eight but all the stories around him obviously are the ones that tend to get the most attention. And you just you know you wanna go back and experience that time. It had to be incredible. I think other than the the you know certain things luxuries that we don't really want experience again but it had to be. It had to be an incredible time watching him out here and the crowds were great and you see the old foe. I mean they all photos of tournament golf here just anybody looks at them. And it's like wow allow you know for the way people dress. The way the course look the bunkers. Look it's just black and white. It's just got a mistrial courses that you see some courses horses the PGA tour just runs over and the players. They technology everything has changed. How that course is treated? This is one that is kind of stood the the test of time. And when you look at it you don't feel like it's going to lose outage tour. I want to pose that as a question rather than a statement. How has this place changed? Since you've written that history in the nineties. The last couple of decades at Riviera what has happened. Yeah well that's where I've gotten in a little bit of trouble because I've been a little critical some of those changes They've added a lot of length they have tried to restore some things that are in the photos. Some I'm to great effect some to horrible For different reasons that most people don't care about it's very hard to add onto. Greens like they did and have it. Work real well So it has adjusted that way in terms of adding the length It's adjusted with Other components not not without much rough by the way they don't really like to grow rough and I'm looking at it. I mean the Steve Rent tool is the advanced guy from the tour and he just feels revere doesn't need it to be a course with a lot of runs three interesting. Yeah I do I do. It's one of the coolest things and so this is Ellen's first time here That you're GonNa really I think get a kick out of when you go out knowing you and how you like to watch golf It is I think it's the best spectator course on the tour and one of those reasons is there isn't much rough and guys hit it into the trees pretty easily here because either the ball runs or it's just not a yes only one hundred and thirty acres huge proper diet so you get up close here two players especially over on thirteen and fifteen and you you get to hear. I'm you're standing right next to them. Listening to deal with this recovery shot and and then you can jump between nine and stuff And it it's just the stuff you the intimacy of the experience is just so different here than just about any borse on the tour And that to me is why I love you. Just love to come out and watch you can watch any group and you just see stuff and their spots where you can hang around and it's it's it's just different. I wasn't sure where that phrase was going knowing the way you like to watch. Golf was direct and eavesdrop allows me. I don't like to leave breath center That's really all that really wasn't a shot at some of our peers and yeah I think you'll find saying that it is A once you get on the course tough to get here but once you get out there there's just something special about and then obviously you just see interesting play because the players are engaged here by the course the it's subtle and requires y'all the cliche stuff club in the bag. You gotta move it both ways in recent years it has become bomber. Dr Friendly and you look at the last three winners and it's Jd Dj yet. Got It and that's it and that's the trick for tiger is in theory. Riviera's should be the best course on the PGA tour Hornsey pulse rights to how much about the approach approach shots but now they had so far that that whole like number three where the the kind of the way. The green sits angled at East a matter to be on the left side of the fairway. Eh well now. They're all heading up a sand wedge or pitching wedge in unless it's really into the win. It's like well that that takes away some of the elements for him that reward him. So that's that's it's the one place it's but that's not the courses fall. Yeah is there anything else that you know. Being an ECK an expert on the course that viewers at home should watch for. You know guys that aren't going to be here in person but if you're watching the broadcast here's something to keep an eye out for a while we lobbied for years to have a Feature whole coverage. PG Tore Live just on the tenth hole because it's like seventeenth sawgrass and a few others where you can just sit there all day. And Watt and so so I mean one of the coolest things of this week again. If you're on site or you subscribe to those things is it. Yeah they have the broadcast window but a lot of the best golf happens in society early before the window Where you get great groups going out and starting their round on ten and it's wild to watch people start on ten because You know either way starts. You can't tell you how many times a watch guy just make double right out of the shoot and then the look on their faces just like wow I just cannot. I believe I started the tournament that way and then late afternoons here again after they sign off and when we have a good weather week It's just so cool to be out there and I don't know I don't think they have bonus late coverage but If you're spectating it's just incredible because again the crowd thins and you get out there. And you're following the group of you know Phil Jordan Brewery Enter There yet four forty five. There's there's two hundred people out there and you get to be right right up front claws so stuff like that is great but then the course you know. It's one of those doesn't you don't pick up a lot of the things on TV Part of that's the way they do coverage part part of it is Just the nature of the course is just not one. That's there's not. There's no water. The brank aren't jumping out at you and all that so it's there's a lot of subtlety that I'm sure people watching what's the big deal. It just looks green and near the ocean and they have celebrities. But right when you get out there and you see the the the intricacies of of all of it it's It's it's really special. And then there's a cocoon grass which is his greatest fairway grass in the world worst For the approaches And again it really gets in their heads these guys because they they don't play much. Yeah Elevate said Phil Jordan Rory as a possible group because all those guys are playing this week at least I believe speed this plane. S Yanni's here playing this week. He hasn't always played Yeah is a weird relationship relationship here. They I mean Rory's number one this week Jordan Scott back in the top fifty films just outside the top fifty. I feel like this event is has been elevated aided by its place in the schedule because it is before a couple of WGC's Where you need to be in a top fifty in the world ranking to automatically qualify it is far enough away from the beginning of the season. Where people are you kind of need to start playing events a lot of and yeah? The masters is close. Meaning like this is kind of where the we start running downhill at this at the first major it wasn't always important. I mean it has an incredible field this week strength. The film six hundreds is reaching different peak is it reaches this event reaching a different level of importance. Yeah imperative what you've seen the last thirty thirty years. Yeah No. It's been really an a weird up down. I mean when you go back to the beginning. They offered a ten thousand dollar purse which was insane at the time when it started and so that made it a huge event. I'm Byron Nelson. A few people always put this on the level of the Western open and dollar purse with. US help up into the into the fifties to pros. This was essentially a major. Yeah along with the western and that kind of went away the seventies it had an amazing run. It was a very of. It's just a great great tournament. Glen Campbell was the host and credible fields every year. Then yeah I really took a hit. Probably in the early well went essentially in the early two thousands thousands with a great run the nineties to With amazing winners and then yeah we kind of when Tiger went away. The Greens became a narrative to players. They had some years where they had crazy rough and that became a thing. Scared guys off And then really the thing and you hit on it. That's really helped this tournament besides the the course being in the way better shape the tournament being you know the new genesis seems like they're great sponsor northern trust was great in a lot of ways And in and the but the key the key has been once that WGC happened. It's just been a no brainer for a lot of elite players now and we get a lot of you know Mullah Nari this week weekday some Europeans who Sevi- was one guy who kind of broke Ground and tried to come here and he was a whole controversy over that. That was crazy when you look look back on it now. That beam was not wanting to let him play here trade of committing thing for a sponsor's invite you like really savvy but he wasn't a member number so it's gone through these ups and downs but obviously now it's hard to see a having trouble with with tiger Genesis with the golf course And then this date on the schedule as you say you go back. A lot of players who've had great success here went on had a great masters and I don't know how many players take that that into account but Mike. We're but but we're not as Mike where we event the year he won the mass and Bubba and Fred couples. I mean there've been quite a few who've or who have contended offended Again I don't know how many players look at that or care but it is a wakeup call that yeah the masters is pretty close and this is the first I mean ain't pebble too but it's just hard with a pro-am format but this is the first place where you kind of get an a an assessment of your game that will tell you. What's going to fly Augusta and what needs work because it exposes stuff? Who are you most interested to watch this week? I mean we have a couple of different storylines of you know. WHO's going to be world number-one could be rory rom or KEPCO leaving this week? There's like Sean mentioned these guys that are lower down on the world rankings than we feel like they should be phil speeds Jason Day just had a nice week. Who Do you have your eye on? Well obviously I'm interested in Brooks kept he i. I don't believe he's ever played here or if he has It was a very for his parents. So He's a Florida guy he's added this. It'd be fascinating to see that rory has has already taken Incredible Liking to this course and the tournament he can go to a coffee shop in Santa. Monica has a clue he is and he he loves that I think because it's just like he can go and pull out a book and and his wife can sit there and read nobody bothers them and you just mentioned In an interview in the Irish independent this week. He said he came here. What was it last year and he wanted to go stay in the hotel? Pretty woman story from La La Land. He loves La Yeah. I'll direct them to the if he wants to go get on the One zero five to the one ten and see the opening dancing and law and it for a few hours. Yeah it's an amazing onramp but boy it doesn't last long so yeah he He clearly loves any lousy architecture the course and they generally all DU So I'm anxious to see those guys of course Phil when he's playing. Well is incredible here but those irons he hit yesterday pebble beach were shakes Geico just beyond belief and what that was bad and this is a place where you really get exposed me. In the tiger. The first year he played back his iron game was awful and and and it was exposed And but now the way he played a Tory. Obviously he's the one I mean it just it. Just it's too good. We're we're not worthy appear. I'm sure but you know to get win. Number Eighty three here after starting it making us a real kind of international debut here Eh true but the waste playing. It seems like well. I mean we'll see how hardee's grinding at it but that's the thing. I noticed the Tories like I don't think he really needs to. He's reach a point in his life where he's figured out whatever is going on with his swing is just he's dialed in. Isn't that incredible. It isn't credible. Working was GONNA be for long enough enough to see. This guy goes through some crazy crap. Yeah just absolute crazy highs and lows and we're somehow again at another high I I nobody asked him and I haven't been intense every week out now. It seems like a do you remember. Nobody asked who he's working with on his swing like well it's working. There's no there's no question to ask their which used to be asked all the time and he was spotted talking so and so as they may be working together again and ah nuts and now he just shows up and it it's He's kind of on autopilot so he and the other thing that's funny with him here as he likes the course you know he had fits his I that that's code for him that he he likes the look of holes which we all know I mean everybody has holes. You don't like and he loves the look of this and and and he did almost win here one time so it's not like he and if you go back he's he's had a lot of sixty four and sixty five here he's just thrown in some some clunkers and the stretch approach. I wanted to do a story. But Joe McConnell said there was nothing there there but the stretchy had last year here He made five birdies in a row on on Saturday Okay evening in there. And then the rain Round was called darkness but that was the first time really for a lot of people in L. A. to get a moment like that with tiger where you know you heard roars. Through the course. He was hitting me his shot. He hit on eleven one of the more stored in everyone's I I've seen and It was a moment for everybody here to just kind of finally have him just put on the kind of show that he puts on and you could tell he enjoyed it was you you know he got in a van of Flash. Ball's going off. When they had called play it was just such a cool cool moment for the people and it was really neat because a lot of fans went home and the people all who stayed just got this kind of once in a lifetime? Yeah memory you'll never forget so but hopefully he tops it with number eighty three. There's a huge difference. I think between yourself and myself when it comes to appreciating architecture there is naturally but I just kind of dipping my toe in the waters I I went on for much much of my life was just going to horses to shoot a score and enjoy the score now. I'm starting to appreciate it but for if someone like myself. What makes this place good like why? What tenets of Riviera Country Club speak to good golf course architecture Well I have a few things things that that basically I've tried to whittle it down for course designed to me what makes a course great yom the number one thing is do you WanNa play it every day And you and I as somebody who was very lucky as a kid to get to play here a lot In never got dull and that speaks to a lot of different things just speaks to the architect making every the whole interesting as the easiest way for you to a place. That's one of those things where it's just the first question you ask I have three questions you ask. Ask about course so. That's number one and that just breaks off in the different things like Was it fun and playable was an interesting Did you just enjoy being out there there. So this place answers the D.. WanNa play every day I mean he. You can be a bad golfer and enjoy playing here. There are a lot of die courses. Ge Career really get beat up out them in ways that are different so that's number one number two when you're leaving a course. Can you remember every hall. Okay and again that speaks to a lot of the same factors of the first one but other stuff memor- ability just is to me. Some people think that's kind of a shallow but I think that ah when you really go to the places you you leave their remembering every hole yeah And then the last tenant of my my three major ones is a Is it a place. You'd WanNa take your dog for a walk Now that speaks tyler things with this great walk in the park setting setting here even though they really created a lot of these green complexes there's way more man made out here than you could ever imagine but you look when you walk you. You just think you're walking what they just landed grass and made a golf course so it speaks to that and then it kind of speaks to They hate dogs here so thou they would. They would get big big points deduction here but it also in Scotland you go and people are allowed to walk their dogs on courses says and people bring their dogs so it also speaks to a certain Culture and a place so those three things are kind of what to me whittles it down on and then you can go off in a little tackles the architecture stuff that these things speak to as well. Are you not a big cat guy. Not a cat guy. Yeah not and just think the game would be better if more places allowed people to bring their dogs and I like this a lot. It's like the Shackelford test here. Yeah I need a ride it as a story to just kind kind of lay the ground I'm trying to come up with an acronym Tuta kind of fry it up yeah the sat but anyway this place checks off every box except for the fact that they don't like to let members bring their dogs. How has increased distance? Changed this place you talked about. You know it's obviously not on a huge piece of property. How has that changed? Changed over the years. Well I sadly and I and I do apologize for appearing on like eight podcasts last week but this all this stuff came out but anyway one of the things that I talked to who Andy Johnson about which. I've talked with a few tour players when they wanNA argue that distance is great for the game and everybody watches because we hit it a long long way. And that's all I care about so this tournament in in Jan when it was played in January and the late twenty one hundred fifty six players it got And they finished the rounds on this golf course and other courses then they went to a hundred and forty four for a very long time. I don't know how how many years exactly. But let's say about seventy five and then this year we are obviously in the first year of this new format going from an open with Monday qualifying and different things which I'm sad to see go. I think they should've kept a couple of qualifying spots and kept the name open because it was established. One thousand nine hundred eighty six but whatever. I lost a in my campaigning on that. And now we're at one hundred and I think we're going to one hundred twenty two this week. They budgets little little soft Monday qualifier. Yeah the collegiate so we do retained a spot For this wonderful Memphis going on right now which is really cool so it gets a college player and that's been great every year Anyway so the long story short is the fields have gotten smaller. And we'll see how long it takes the play here but the biggest change from to me Is that we added a half hour rounds in the last ten years or so here how all because guys were waiting on on everybody waits on the tenth hole out his pretty much. It's a part three now. And then the eleven th and seventeenth holes. which when I was a kid and then watching through the years to through the toughest part is to reach into on the tour seventeen especially was Literally like John. Daly Weiss. Cough shortlist at Tom Lehman got at home to one year when he was really in a long way me still has a long way but he was one of the longest hitters in the game and now every group at least one guy waits To get home and to Ashdown win and slows things down so the weights on those three holes Nevada solid half hour and so those guys who now you know and they've been dying to changes to an invitational national because we don't win never finished on Thursdays and and they've always blamed field size for the the time of around and it really isn't. It's it's more of those weights and those things. Things have gotten a lot faster here. I mean they are. I don't know what they are this week. But they're generally around thirteen and they used to be be ten and so you have to mark every pot you'll see guys mark eighteen inches here and they're not wrong to do that because they're scary especially in the afternoon They're quick and they they get that fast break a lot. So that time to your question and the distance chase has changed the way this just functions as a tournament course not very very sexy but those guys who are not playing here this week should and then who are advocating that their greater athletes. And isn't it wonderful and leave us alone I hope they enjoy watching it on. TV those those guys at one one twenty to one forty four. It is true there were getting a little slippery at the start of the back. Nine last year. On on Sunday there started to be some missed. Three and four footer contention and it got interesting. Yeah yeah that's I forgot yeah they they got right up to the edge and it was you know wind and cold and they just don't grow much this time of year so it's a it's a complete test that's for sure pivoting slightly only only slightly. The state of the game of golf professional game isn't a wildly interesting place. Are you annoyed by the The discussion that is happening between distance and pace of play. And all these things like center on the Pro Tour and still affect the amador's I because I'm getting annoyed. That's why I asked if you're a no head because because I've been doing long enough that I gave I was at the I I used to be at your stage. Yeah and then you just have have to accept that it's one of the beauties of the Game I. It could be a problem but it's one of the real cool things that we do have a lot of people who play the sport and watch it and enjoy it because they play the sport and no other sport has that so it is depressing times sport. How the pro game thinks it's Everything and we've we are at a point where the players really believe. They're bigger than the game and like it feels comments last week. You know amador's running running are doing our rules and which is kind of really old cliche. Lame take for him. He should know better But the connection between the two I think is really important so I know that At one point I thought it was really cool that I was only one club Different than a pro. Yeah now. There is a case to be made that no. It's more meaning that they are just so simple us. I see both cases on now. AH I. It's a tough one so I understand. Why people when the distance debate comes up go? We cannot solve I actually if you read this distance report you can kinda see where they're going and you realize I think the solution may end up being a lot simpler than people people think that that is probably a simple change in number of dimples on the ball. Oh and maybe a slight change in in rules driver face that they're making the case for that that will not affect any of us at a normal club had space that it will really only dial back the guys who are playing this week a car and if it's done right which is a key it will maybe even accentuate the advantage. That Rory Dustin Johnson should should have when they're driving the ball well and that to me is the case they have to make I don't know if they will but that the long hitter and a lot of these guys are starting to realize that I think Rory Adam Scott has realized that now for a few years. They're starting realized. Wasting my swing repeats. I hit on the center of the face. Every Tigers already reached this point think People make the really lame claimed. Oh he's he would be for something because he doesn't hit as far anymore. First of all he still hits any long way And he could making his case longtime ago and been more selfish and he could be way more selfish and say you know there's a whole bunch of people out here who are really good. But they're not not even close to me. Rory you can name about and Phil for Awhile. Came around on that front that that he realized wait a second. I got skills that this guy doesn't come close used to having and he's hitting it with me. He shooting the same score I am and they did realize there was muddling of the water. So that's going to be the thing for the players to kind of workout in their minds. I don't know I I think it's against them of that. And not a lot of these guys are number savvy or reading. I mean nobody's GonNa read that report we saw. Dj's thoughts on even as an email address much less than the actually opens email and ABC's it. There's something there. They get fit into new equipment every year. Though I don't I don't know that it's if the players are given something and told these the new rules. I'm not sure that that's where it breaks down. None of them none to them often receive From the same source you know. They're giving something by Taylormade. They're giving something by Calloway. They're given something by titleist and they're giving even something by the PGA tour. And the thing that convinces them probably most the PGA tour. It sure you know. If Tyler doesn't agree with callaway entitled entirely then it's kind of hard to push forward the the most important genders. I'm curious on a scale from not a big deal to this is a major seminal moment where you think this distance project bits I think. It's an unbelievably seminal monumental moment numb and when you throw in this Premier Golf League then you throw in Tiger possibly winning number eighty three. They're all these things Kinda Anna coming together and I don't mean to to to over exaggerate it but Th there's potential for just a shocking turn of events events in a lot of different ways and even if none of those things pan out yeah I think the discussion both on distance if you go into the survey and read some of the stuff off that fans say about what they find those interesting and then you couple it with what this premier league is throwing out there as what they see as broken with the Game Yeah L. and then you throw in these comments comments that these guys are more upset than we realized about. How underpaid? They feel they are incredible. I don't think professional national golf will ever be the same again if this thing goes away and the tour signs of TV deals and maybe they fix their partnership with the European tour. Better I mean I I. They should have already done that already. Each cut ten events merged the Rolex and WGC's and built this more powerful thing but they haven't nope for whatever reason and But either way the discussion about what's what makes the game interesting. What we like to watch It's it's I don't think people have quite grasped I don't think the players are quite grasp. What's going on if you look at social media and just the conversations people are having I think I mean I'm sensing that you would agree? Then that any discourse to this level is healthy for the game overdue. Yeah I wish it had happened a little sooner before they got so deep into the TV. Deal because I think a lot of us felt yeah. Some of these topics should have been covered sooner and addressed in the schedule. The wrap around. And why isn't there a men's and women's event Y Y Y Y on a bunch of different things and they've kind of held their ground and been stubborn and now that stubbornness been exposed And it's GonNa it's opening up other things. We didn't even know piece of the Pie. Stuff right. We're all we're all trying WANNA get a greater peace or solidify in that piece. That's one danger though is do they come off as just sound ingredients and And does it turn off a lot of fans that apart you know. They need to be careful because that was the biggest shock to me of the tour championship last year was how many people you know. Red Blooded capitalists like like want to talk to me a therapist about just felt uncomfortable with Roy. Getting fifteen million dollars for a week's worth of work I won't don't forget the season-long it crude a Lotta spot but people who I never would have imagined hearing that framework I you know so the money. That's weird the money part art. I always thought it'd be really cool to have a big check at the end and in once every five or six years is a billy Horse Solar Bill Haas somebody who comes along and it's a life changing the thing and it turns out on think attracted to that as well but is funny though as you look at someone like rory who yet he got his is big check at the end of the year but if you look at the value. He's actually delivering to the tour. Rosza wrote about last week With Tiger being the example you spoke to some PGA tour agent agent and he said like Tiger Woods can miss the cut this week or another week. She's not the host makes zero dollars and have brought in million dollars worth of ticket sales. Yeah Yeah and how many ratings. Yeah Sure Joe Tour Players One twentieth on tour is probably not moving that needle at all where rory is significantly and tiger is on a completely different level. Yeah and that's something that I don't think we realized our I didn't you guys minded I. I didn't realize how much these guys Because I thought they understood that the beauty of golf has it. Everybody starts from scratch approach. It's really cool when somebody you've never heard of is is is right. There with the legend casually beats them or the legend wholesome off whatever yes there's a beauty and and this is a great example of that how it's just fun to watch and I don't think those guys care about that. Now they They don't find that Beautiful beautiful part of the sport and That's a that that'll be interesting to see how that plays. We'll still have that at the majors always. Yeah but this league would kind of Potentially eradicate that though there's some ways where they may have a feeder tour that somebody this coming up the ranks and they'll they'll bump somebody off of that main group there's there's elements of it but it's still not quite the the Ted Potter junior verse. Dustin Johnson Yeah Taylor Verse Phil Mickelson. That stuff does become a little bit tougher to have happened. Yeah and I think that's fun for Golf Now I mean it's still great. Though this week I'll admit this field is unbelievable. You're going to have some amazing pairings and and somebody's going to be sitting. There aren't goes. We could do this ten weeks a year or eighteen. Whatever the Premier League says But they also have to have the golf courses to attract and that's a big draw. Here guys are coming here for the golf course. So it's GonNa be something the sport has to grapple with. Are you entering an official prediction for win number. Eighty the three this week at the genesis. Trying I'm trying. I wanted so bad. I mean we'll see. The great news is now. I did see something about some showery chances. Twenty percent can't Friday and Saturday but for the most part we have no major weather events. It appears no storm fronts coming through so luck of the draw which can be a big deal here. You can get some crazy swings. This time of year for morning afternoon shouldn't be an issue so It gives him something really shoot for which I think he needs at this point which is understandable eight times. And you know you really only care care truly about four weeks a year the really get the juices flowing But I think he wants he gets in contention he forgets all that. Yeah Yeah and that's the fun of of being in contention and then you just you know you star players guys he. He is getting a kick out of beating. Yeah and in a good way not unlike I showed them but it's just like tiger again and I just think he. I hope he comes here ready to go because he should win in here. He's the scarf for any just needs. It's really not the goal it's the Greens he has to get this this poem thing Yup figured because Green Hair beautiful their way better than they were when he was not liking it here and he needs to just to stop with the POA. Forget about rap. Just admit just acknowledged these favorites. I mean Lena's Y'all gaming a mental thoughts tiger with me. But just just know you're GONNA have three or four putts this week inside five feet you're GonNa miss and you're gonNA GONNA blame the Paula and just accept that that's what it's GonNa be. Because he's such a superior ball-striker right now in terms of the iron play that this golf course should reward that. Yeah all right. Let's get you out here with one more question if you were the Gulf if you were if Mr Shackelford was the president of Gulf operations in the universe in the world what is the one thing that you would change day one the thing that you would put into play it could affect the PGA tour of the amador game putting you on the spot here. Well if it was your first move if you started the game from scratch you would not have made it eighteen holes. You would've made it twelve holes. Yes Mr Nicholas Subscribe. Tom Was the one who really tried. That push I want to say about ten twelve fifteen years ago and and people laughed him off and now the way why twelve well a couple things. Prestwick was twelve holes. Yup I don't think that was his thinking. I think it's thinking king though was but that's a great thing to say. Hey prestwick place one of the early modeled after Saint Andrews but Prestwick was I the twelfth floor but nine holes isn't quite enough enough eighteenth too much and it just seems like it's the sweet spot in terms of time Feeling like you played around a golf but not ordeal deal. That eighteen holes has become so I would have a twelve hole tournament I would I would. I want the Olympics. To have nine hole matches get a cool round robin thing and until it. 'cause we don't is you know you need the pro game. You need to use to legitimize things to public and I having nine holes. Legitimized is a long time ago would have been great so like look what we just had with the par. Three Course Movement Guilt Hanson. I did of course at the Prairie Club. Called the horse courses ten holes bowls. It's literally horse and basketball and knock off of you have a set group teas but you can go anywhere you WanNa make didn't really catch on And and being the par-three Augusta didn't really catch on and Bobby Jones Kinda pooh-poohed him column kindergarten. All why did you say now and now look like what's going on where we've got these. Everybody wants to have a short course or they WANNA make their range able to be turned into a short course Pinehurst Bandon Brandon Pebble beach is GonNa make the Peter. Hey a destination and it's an IT's It's an acknowledgment. One that we need a place for beginners now need a place when you're getting old and you you want to walk eighteen holes but you can still want to go out and weapon around. We need a place for good players to have a fun. Little money game We need a place where you just if if you WANNA have a quicker experience I mean there's so many reasons that par three courses and so now we're getting that but imagine if we it legitimized nine hole rounds Or something like twelve. Sooner the game would be a lot healthier because you see where society's going and you see the resources it takes to build an eighteen hole of course to maintain it and all that That it seems quite obvious. It seems obvious when you start going through the that and then all the ways that we've made the game better better with some of these little movements that are going on there so exciting and you just hope the damage has been done that these and these these things will kind of catch on the par-three thing is incredibly exciting. Those resorts are legit. And now all these clubs want to have that or turn an area that and the fact that it's novel is kind of shameful because right shouldn't it shouldn't be novel what. What's the par-three contest Augusta? It's been a great staple of that event. Like how out of that. Not Translate sooner. Tigers doing par-three courses at every place. He does Jordan speech on. We'll have to be meeting place courses. I'm excited Yeah Tigers. Little putting movement that he's getting into too. Yeah those places sound like basically like a updated version of PUTT. PUTT miniature golf with flat screens and better food. And I think it's a great idea and they take a much much smaller space so Those kinds of things are what we need. And so yeah if I were czar of golf twelve holes would be a focus. I liked I would have to start with tournament. You need a big time tournament Onto bite the bullet and look at this premier league. I mean they have the response they got to Shotgun starts which I would you know fifteen years ago people with yeah. Well it's all the shots and that's like once you've gone through a sixteen hour day to major singer volunteer to work for free for a eight hour shift and then another one incomes for eight hours like are you kidding me the days just to blow to just smart things to do so anyway I love it. Let's get you out of here. Things are pretty good right now. What we should paint the picture for the people at home? We are sitting in a beautiful genesis suite overlooking the eighteenth hole overlooking number ten. It's a little warm because it's a beautiful day outside. The Sun is beating in actually holding an umbrella over Jeff's head right now just to keep them nice and cool yeah well anyway this has been a caddy wants to keep things good for your right shoulder. rotator cuff will be nice and thank you for joining us. Hey thanks guys appreciate it.

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"The list is the Max Kellerman show Max Kellerman show on ESPN radio. The Sports Reaction Day. The accident it's always better to react stuff than it is to look forward to it at least in this business, right? You have stuff you can actually break down instead of just theorizing. Well, that was a big win for Lebron James and the Lakers that was a big win for Lebron James and the Lakers and the reason is Jamal Murray There's no real really stopping him. Even Lebron couldn't actually stop me got to the line and scored from the free throw line. But for Lebron James, who is one of the all-time Great Defenders Lebron James One of the best defenders I've ever seen I think in the history of basketball. All Time. Great defender in high leverage moments. He he's in the seventeenth season. He's thirty five years old. He's been to the finals every year since they invented the finals basically. So so it's not like he can play defense every single second of every regular season game anymore. He's not Michael Jordan after all let's be honest. Roger I can't do the straight talk wireless. Thing if it's not on my screen, actually is the problem. Is that. There's I'm looking at something that doesn't say straight talk wireless. I would like to tell you to call eighty eight say espn I'm going to do this from memory Roger been doing this show for up. There it is. The Max. Kellerman show on ESPN RADIO ESPN news and the ESPN APP and Siriusxm Channel Eighty and on your smart speaker Rogers Been Technologically challenged today. Roger looked like. It looked like. There was a movie quest for fire when I was a kid. You. Try. You just discovered fire you. Didn't know what to do with it. I'm looking at your face over zoom. Runner. I used that. Smooth sailing but you probably be rearranged some phone lines like you always do some wires and cords, and now I have technical problems because you lot buddy eight, eight, see ESPN eight, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six, Max Kellerman show is presented by progressive insurance all join us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. But I it's time for straight talk wireless. No no, it's not. It's time for straight talk Raj. Brought to you by straight talk wireless, are we clear about that? Now I just WANNA. Make sure. I mean. Lebron James See Michael Jordan's greatest player who ever lived because I define greatness as we all do like who actually got to the highest heights and I'm not talking about someone like Bob Ryan used to tell me on around the horn going back almost twenty years. Bill. Walton, and his very best was the best he'd ever seen. But Bob that lasted like a year stop even if you believe that and it's not true. But even if you thought that was true the lasted a year stop it. Michael Jordan had a ten year prime. were his peak was just hired anyone including Lebron's he used to play eighty two games a year forty minutes a game. The best defensive player at his position every year, the best offensive player who ever lived every year. When he had help wanted the finals in under seven games. And he always got better when it when you need it most this is not like well, you just you don't remember all the failure no, no, I'm counting everything in. But Lebron over career value is the most valuable of all time in terms of his entire career. Because he's playing at near. Jordan. For season after season without a break and what he did so like Jordan played intense defense all time. He had a shorter career, Lebron. Knows went to put his foot on the gas went to take it off in order to preserve himself, and when he puts his foot on the gas when he puts the pedal to the metal on defense, he reminds me of other he's not going to sacrifice his body Dennis Rodman did. and not built exactly like as Dennis Rodman was as a defender, but he reminds me of that how many positions you can guard how effectively Jamal, Murray last night. Looked like Michael Jordan, meets Kai reroofing. He was doing the end of course that reverse Jordan move he pulled but. He was getting to the lane with his off hand scoring shooting threes to doing whatever you needed him to do willing. His body control and the English he puts on the ball was jordan-esque or like Kobe ask or Kyrie smaller who's unstoppable in the paint right below the rim. He was unbelievable. No one's GonNa Stop Him and Lebron looks at that guy and says him. Put me on him. And shut supply shut down, he's still got to the free throw line he scored some but you can not do a better job defensively Jamal Murray Than Lebron did and what business the slip road at six foot eight have guarding dude like that. How many six foot eight defenders ever could guarded dude like that like you think of it as an advantage because Lebron size but like Lebron's like, Karl, Malone size could you imagine a dude like Karl Malone and all time great trying to guard Jamal Murray it's unbelievable what Lebron did last night and by the way what your Murray was doing. But when they needed it most Lebron was the best player in the game. I don't just mean on the offensive end 'cause because Jomar is more impressive scoring and all that I mean the overall control of the Game Lebron was the best player on the floor when he needed to be. Is Unreal now. Series is not over. This series is not over eight, hundred, Eighty, eight, say ESPN seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six. This series is not over because I have seen this nuggets team rise from the ashes against the Jazz, a Donovan, Mitchell, performance for the ages. Spiderman this dude was dropping fifty plus. And? Your. Does anyone's iphone ever talk back to them when when like totally off. iphones be spying on you. It's the honest. The. You know. Who I didn't ask the IPHONE or anything it was clicked off all the way over to the side. Also hear cereal I'm on what? Anyway Where was I- Siri? Where was I? Listen to me. I saw them rise from like Donovan? Mitchell was unbelievable joe-marie rose higher and the other thing is. He was the best player in that series but then the next series they're down three one to the clippers. And they come all the way back and in that series Jamal wasn't the best player. Yokich was the best player joe-marie was the second best player in the series and they were facing. Kuwiat Paul George. This nuggets team has not really gotten going yet. I mean they put up impressive offensive numbers and all that stuff last night, and by the way, the real difference was Dwight Howard on the glass, right? Like that's Going in you thought that maybe the difference the Lakers have. Some more size where they need it, and maybe could could win that match up and that could be the difference. They've got a lot of second chances and retain possession that way but. If you look at the point, you know what the Raj guests this come on. Come on. Let me let me I'm GonNa play a little question answer with you eight. Say ESPN ready for this. Point rental in this series Lakers are up three, one I'm GONNA say zero. Damn That to. Be. Reading Man I three twenty, five to three, twenty, five that amazing. No can't. Zoom, but you can read that's very good. Zero point differential. They've played even basically but because of high leverage moments, the Lakers are up three one and because of a brain freeze between plumlee and grant I guess it was plumbly fault but I don't know you plumlee and grant. In game two, communicating what how they're going to play it and then Lebron never really screens and I don't know did diplomacy think they were supposed to switch not supposed. Because if he's not screening, why are you switching and I I? Don't I don't know what happened there but. Maybe, maybe it should be a two game series. Nevertheless, it's not at, but my point and bringing that up is not well, coulda. Shoulda. WOULDA. It's the nuggets really haven't started going yet. They've never given you the feeling like aw man this is that impossible to beat nuggets team credit the Lakers. But it just feels to me that the nuggets are not playing as well as they can, and the Lakers are lucky to be up one. C. Roger I'm doing is I'm not going to jinx the league's right now. I'm saying this low so it doesn't count the Basketball God's can. La Won't forget La knows Max Basketball's God's can't hear me if I if I say at the slow. But we're on case in. Los. Angeles seven ten am and they they remember they know the tell the audience what what I'm talking about I may basketball heck's. See. When I was born the Sports God's got together. It's like clash of the titans something Greek mythology, and the baseball gods blessed me. They said you will be a Yankee Fan. And all the joy I've gotten from being a Yankees Fan, but I had to pay for that. And it came out of basketball. I would also be Knicks Fan? And I tried to get around this basketball. God's curse by jumping ship and becoming a Lakers fan when I moved to La. DO ESPN radio in La Marcellus Wiley maximum selous. Caspian. Los Angeles. Oh, we dominated the airwaves and afternoon drive. But I was punished by I thought it was slick. I could get away with it member WHO's at Athena in clash of the Titans mad and she put a hex on. In what was the characters name I forgot? turned him into like a little beast character anyway, the point is. That's what the basketball God's did to me. They said Oh. You're going to think you're going to get out of this little mix hex, become a Lakers fan as soon as I moved to La. Lakers have been to three straight finals the Kobe empower, and then they got Nash and and Dwight Howard. Never sniffed the finals again. Then I picked against them this year here they are on the cusp of the finals are not going to jinx them again Raj. I'm telling you right now. Could lose this series watch out for the nuggets. Don't forget. You Jinxed the trade to they would have had Chris Paul there. I jinxed trade they did Trade Chris. Paul there. It was you. That was straight talk wireless. contract. No compromise. Or supposed to talk about. Football game last night. Oh, what a miserable matchup I did say the dolphins we're going to win outright. And they did. And, let me tell you something about that game. Raj I tell you something about that game right now. Talk. To him about it I didn't watch it now listen. I'm done talking about that. Sorry excuse for a match up on Thursday night last night who cares from the POO cares file. Lakers are playing the nuggets. Be I don't care about it although the dolphins are pretty like if you beat the dolphins this year, that's a quality win I've seen them lose in quality games. That's why I picked them. All right. You did did stick to the rundown because we discussed it so you can move on our children. No. Good. Thank you very much. I have your permission. Thank you. Yes. That's great. I needed your permission to do that. That's that's terrific. Right. Go back to figuring out about zoom somehow you have to I wish I should've I could've taken a screen grab of Rogers face when he looked perplexed when he was trying to figure this out later like. The new tool. Right. Tyler Tyler, Go Tyler Virginia. Immediately, they dropped call. Brandon in St Louis. You're on the Max Kellerman show ESPN radio. Max is going on man I love your show brought you all the time. Even a I take. Out Leader me let's face it go ahead. Get into their man it breathe real real quick man I let you go then officiate last night. Bro You cannot tell me there's some of those calls quest when don't get me wrong I, understand those questionable causing every game but one call in particular the AB call where he twisted his ankle in that was ridiculous by the way I don't know what was that about just because a guy gets hurt on play that. But in the end, that's not the difference in the game though like you can say that they didn't win by by two free throws and did he I think he at one of them so They didn't win by a point or two. So that's not the difference in the game, but you're right about that call he didn't and even when they went over the replay, it was like he didn't come it's not like an issue of not giving him space. There was no player vicinity. He just twisted his ankle and I the the rest really blew that rests aren't perfect. One of the reasons we have such a problem with rest today. And always refs have been blamed. It's a big thing to criticize refs but. Back in the day with Greeny, TV quality and everything, you just couldn't see it as well. Now, you got a camera everywhere. You're looking at people's nostrils like you can count the hairs. That guy needs to trim his nostril here. Of course, you know if the refs blow something because you have a much much better view than the refs in real time, and so we're just more aware of when they get it wrong and I think fans are more generally educated about the rules. Understand when I was a kid, there was no like Internet and just look that rule. Oh, you enter no dude or something you have to call them up on a rotary phone you know and if you missed messed up one number you to start again yet this on the Rotary Hey, you know about this rule and it was like I heard this. People copies of the rule book around for the NFL. NBA Internet to log onto everyone knows too much nowadays, and we see too much. So we expect rest to be perfect that did not decide the game they blew the call though. That was that was that was a bad blown call, but it didn't decide the game Dr Dan in Florida Eighty eight say espn, you're on the next Kellerman show ESPN radio. big plan. Glad you got the show Give me some hope here. Is there any hope Jacksonville Jaguars Fan? Not There's no hope for you. There's the here's the problem the Jacksonville Jaguars right now they're hostile to analytics. And they don't really have a quarterback. And this is the thing about hostility analytics. It's fine. If you say, Hey, we don't want to be analytics driven have such a great scouting department that we're going to really be scout driven. That's been the hierarchy of our tools that we use. We're GONNA use that. But that only works if you actually have the best scouts. The best drafting and the Best Development the best coaching. As I always say you can apply anything on a bell curve, take any population. Some are going to be really bad at what they do most will be in the middle either toward the good side of the bad side and a few will be on the far right side really good at what they do. So it's one thing to say we're hostile to analytics we believe in our is right and our our football sense but that only works if you're actually on the far end of the of the bell curve, they're like in this population of thirty two teams. In fact you're scouting and development is in fact not by your opinion but by the results better than everyone else's. There are teams in every sport that still operate with a lot of that influence like it's not that they are openly hostile to analytics and they're still succeeding but it's like, yeah, we use that as a tool but we use we appreciate other tools more and they're actually good at it like I think of. In recent years the Spurs. Seemed to understand what they're looking at and how to coach them up right and maybe another team like the rockets are more analytics driven. But the JAGS. Are Just get with the twenty first century. Find a real quarterback. Max Kellerman show ESPN radio. Want to get back to this game eighty eight, say ESPN eight, seven to nine, three, seven, zero, six, see what I'm doing Roger Tamraz showing the callers I'm actually going to get the calls instead of just I think they got hip to me over the last couple of weeks I, keep saying I'm GonNa get to cause and then I never get them partly. That's. Because when I get on the year, I have to read seventeen different things and there's like thirty seconds for a segment and partly it's because I love the sound of my voice. That's mostly why we'll also you say, sometimes we get a lot of production initially got gas. We got features you don't get a chance. So we tried to get him this one this first segment just for the callers. Want to get back to the game as I said the thing about. The DENVER, nuggets in. It's interesting. I had a question on the show. I think was yesterday an axe Max. Raj. The question was who do I believe will win more championships over the next several years right was it the mavericks the Clippers someone else that were were the nuggets and going into the season I just said the mavs because that porzingas trade I think porzingas has been slept on. porzingis dodge just impossible porzingis really has had a hard time staying healthy. And Jim Murray Jamal Murray. Has when I think of the absolute elite players in the NBA now, joe-marie mammaries in that category. Who'd you rather have joe-marie or James Harden? Jamal. Go forward. To right now, joe-marie shows biggest when you need him most so far and and as an offensive player, he's athletically gifted in a way. James Harden is even if his overall game isn't quite as skilled as hardens yet. This dude is is is an elite player and happened before our eyes. He and Yokich or both MVP caliber and this is something about Lebron teams when he's on with a guy like ad, for example, when Danny Green hit that shot late in the game yesterday, you're like well, if Danny Green starts hitting threes, this game is over you can't beat those guys that's what the influence of to MVP caliber players on the team is you get any contributions from anyone else? It's like this is a juggernaut. What can you do? That's really the nuggets. Now it may be that Jamal Marine Yokich combined are not the equivalent of Lebron ad right most people would take Lebron Eddie over Yoke Murray but not by that much anymore. So then you start looking at the supporting cast and you go who's the next one on either team like if you're drafting off these two teams You may take Lebron one ad to. Yolk at Murray three four. So the top two draft picks make both come from the Lakers but who's five? Might be. Porter Jr. if he gets hot certainly on offense. The NBA playoffs are on ESPN radio tune in tonight as Jimmy Butler in the heat battle the Celtics presented by indeed coverage begins at eight PM Eastern on ESPN radio and the? ESPN. APP. We still got a lot of NFL to get. into. The. Match over the weekend specially the cowboys and the seahawks. The Rams. The Rams and the bills and especially. The chiefs and the Ravens? Whose? Right, now ravens look like maybe they're the best team in the. NFL. Because the Games don't really matter yet like mean they matter but not like in the playoffs. If the Ravens beat the chiefs or if they smoked the chiefs, are people going to be like Oh that's it. This is the year. We got some big time shows down. Showdowns show downs not shows down in the NFL that wouldn't be good. We got some big time showdowns in the NFL this weekend. Talk about a couple of them coming up as I mentioned. A Max Kellerman. Sheffield podcast. The Max Kellerman show on ESPN RADIO ESPN THE ESPN APP and Sirius Xm. Channel Eighty and you're smart speaker. Reach me at eight, say ESPN eight, hundred, eight, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six, the Max Kellerman show is presented by progressive insurance. All guests join us on the Shell Pennzoil performance. Line. Right. We go into football weekend. Here the here, the real matchups that I wanna get it on I want to talk about. And I'm not just talking like fantasy matchup. So Henderson's going to be the only running back for the rams and that's you should take in daily fantasy or something I'm talking about the actual football. Cowboy Seahawks I. Let me tell you. I think this game is about. Not Russell Wilson. I think he's going to win the MVP this year I think it's GonNa come down to him and Aaron Rodgers wanted to others and I think Russell Wilson will get the. Sympathy vote not that he won't even deserve the award but like. Every year. There's an MVP candidate who wins and there are a couple other. Possibilities that you could have realistically said, we're MVP. But the one constant every or that Russell Wilson is one of those possibilities. He is an MVP level player every single year, and yet he's never won MVP even gotten a vote apparently like a first place vote right So it's not like is Russell wasn't integrate is nine touchdowns one interception. He has he has everything he needs to win. And I expect you know what's Russell. Question is is going to have three or four touchdowns. One interception no interceptions. Very Likely Russell Wilson. We'll have something like thirteen touchdowns and two interceptions after then they're gonNA win they're gonNA beat the cowboys. Because the cowboys defenses jacked up right now. And by the way, the cowboys defense was no good last year. There were lots of games where Dak outperformed the other quarterback and lost the game because the defense led them down. And that was like look when you went into the season last year for the cowboys you look at that at the linebacking core go boy this is GonNa be a strength of the team might be the best tandem in the league and they were just. Exposed for being inexperienced, and now they're banged up at every level of the defender banged up. They're not going to beat the seahawks. Game. Isn't about Russell Wilson and it's not about that Prescott. Dacca's consistently been a good quarterback not a great quarterback but a good quarterback and sending quarterback. Not. GonNa about him either. And it's not going to be. Really about anyone on the field. This game to me is about Mike McCarthy. You. Have to Think About The Dallas Cowboys coaching higher in the off season. What did that really say to people because remember? He got a lot of good press. The cowboys got a lot of good press for hiring Mike McCarthy. And Look if you win a super bowl in the NFL, I don't care if Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback. You know how to coach. And coaching is more than XS and OS. It's organizational. It's it's motivational. And also X.'s knows right but it's more than justice knows leadership. So Mike, McCarthy who's won a super bowl in the NFL. Is. Real coach good coach. But the league changes and the coaches have to keep up and it seemed after awhile. and Rogers weren't working, but maybe the game had passed him by a little bit. and. He was out of a job. Now do you remember when he was hired what people were saying? Don't make coach but not only that there were all these articles that came out he did some soul-searching. Remember Mike McCarthy. talked about hostile to analytics. He wasn't looking at the numbers enough and he realized he's GonNa have to start doing that in order to be a better coach and all that, and that was really a narrative pushed and by the way when those kind of narrative get pushed let me tell you how it works in the sports business. People feed this back channel it and they whisper campaign to media members like me. And then media members many of whom are lazy and some of whom are just actually doing their homework, but they're like to get this little piece of information. Okay. Let me put it out there one way or another or at least it influences they're thinking. So that was really pushing out Mike McCarthy's really learned from his mistakes and he knows how to be. I don't know like I like the coach being aggressive, but you're going for a two point conversion when you really just need to kick the field goal there faking punts it's not working out. He made a lot of curious decisions. I don't know if he maybe it's I who don't have an understanding of the analytics and that's in those situations, but it seems to me that it was he who doesn't have the understanding. and was very, very lucky to win that game. The cowboys should've lost that game the cowboys. Should not have been coming off a win right now. So why am I bringing up McCarthy? because. When Jerry Jones hired him in spite of all the good publicity. I thought to myself. Wait a minute who was banging down. Mike McCarthy's door to coach in the league. I don't recall that you remember any like Mike McCall McCarthy's a hot name and coaching I don't remember any of that. I mean. People may have gone too far in the direction of because of mcvay like let's look for an offensive coordinator type who has the kind of big twelve style, right? Maybe something like that and people were maybe jumping guy. So the front of the line who shouldn't have been there and it's a copycat league and so there's nothing wrong with taking a retread as a head coach, a guy who's not known for innovation in recent years. But it wasn't even that that. Bothered me what bothered me about it is if no, one's really hanging down this dude's door. And Jerry Jones hires him. That tells me that part of the reason Jerry Jones is doing it. Is because he knows he can control the head coach. And the head coach is ego won't be such that this that he gets the credit in the event that the cowboys. Win. Jerry's going to get the credit because he's the one who hired him, and Jerry will still do his press conferences and all this under normal circumstances and we're in pandemic now and it'll it'll be Jerry's whole thing. And I. think that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a coach who was not in big demand who probably was desperate to stay ahead coach who has his bona feed as I mean he won the Super Bowl. But that could almost be considered a buy in a previous era because they've been rules changes in the game has evolved since then. And? So far I. Haven't been impressed. I know the defenses banged up. Cowboys look bad in that. Win Against the Falcons and McCarthy in particular I. Thought Look Bad. So look are they supposed to lose to the SEAHAWKS? Yep If they do am I going to say Oh. That's bad Mike McCarthy. No. But. If they lose and he makes a bunch of curious decisions. Obviously Jerry's not going to get rid of them I'm just saying. The cowboys who every year go into the season with a stacked roster like you know talent. When you see at the talent, not just because of the cowboys guys are are like heavily promoted they're talented. But until Jerry. Can check. His Ego enough. To hire actually the right guy instead of the best version of Coachie can find who isn't going to push back too much and it's GonNa let Jerry The star Cowboys Never GonNa win the super. Bowl. It's never gonNA happen. It's too hard to do to any consideration other than winning, affect any decision you make. particularly. With the pressure in Dallas. Chiefs Ravens. The Ravens are a better team than the cheese. At this moment they've shown it. They're more dominant. Lamar Jackson is amazing and he's getting more accurate as he gets older. And more experienced in the ravens defense the whole thing. And the chiefs run defense suddenly is like wait a minute what happened to the defense that was revamped because two years ago the defense is a little underrated, but it wasn't very good. Last year was quite good. Ravens might be she beat the chiefs this weekend. I still think that chiefs are the best team. Nothing the ravens can do in the regular season to convince me otherwise. and. I. Don't care that Patrick Mahomes was down against the chargers. Do you understand if you did a power ranking of teams in last year's playoffs week over week. First Time. Kansas City. Play they were down double digits. Say. I. Can't be the best team they were down double digits next time they played down double digits again, that can't be the best team they're down double digits, right? Super Bowl fourth quarter down double digits, and all they did was win the Super Bowl with the it doesn't matter if the chiefs don't look as impressive beating teams as other teams do it doesn't matter if they have to stage comebacks and all that stuff. Patrick mahomes makes that irrelevant Patrick mahomes healthy. tyree kill Travis Kelsey now Clyde Edwards Hilar- they got quadruplets. Even. If the defense does regress. They're sitting with the title. They're the defending champs until I see someone knocked them off and telling you right now I'm writing the chiefs all year. Don't even care if they lose a couple of games favored in. That's the best team in the NFL when it matters most. The next curse. None ought curson football. The Max Kellerman show the podcast. The Max Kellerman show on ESPN RADIO ESPN news, the ESPN APP and Sirius. Xm. Channel Eighty on your smart speaker. Did to the cameras just catch me looking over at my cellphone all the way to the side again can someone give me a heads up reach me eighty eight say espn, eight, eight, eight, seven, two, nine, three, seven, seven, six. I love by the way what they've done to the studio, they cleaned up all the wires. There's no, there's no separate TV Mike and Radio. Mike very good. Finally took a month and a half the Max Kellerman show is presented by Progressive Insurance Progressive. Commercial is proud to partner with the small business experts at score access free online resources through the score small business resilience hub. At score dot org no doubt is brought to you by Lincoln jobs build your winning team today. GO TO LINCOLN DOT COM slash. Sports. Ahead Raj Ready I. got the no doubt. The Nacion. Ready go ahead. Ray. Quan tweet a promoting lil Wayne's new album. So I'm in. No doubt or Nacion. Ready to get back to four, go ahead. This is courtesy of TMZ but a Kevin Durant is him I. CAN'T BLAME NBA Players for sneaking women into bubble NAS on, you can blame him. I understand. I mean there are certain if not biological imperatives at least they feel that way at times right? I get it. But it's a long time they're in there. But yeah, you can literally blame them. You can understand why and still say you made the wrong choice. This takes discipline. I'm not pretending it's for everyone but it takes discipline. And listen. This is a pandemic man like it's not. It's not just like a fighter in the old days don't chase women before six weeks before a fight we can your legs and this net and by the way that was not even about the actual act that was about the pursuit staying up late drinking not getting enough sleep all that kind of stuff. But that's about discipline. This is also a safety issue. Go ahead Raj see how I right there Nas when I said the right thing right away go ahead right away right away, and by the way Brazilian soccer club has seen rules about the chase. The, Brasilia's my. I forget about. sixers interests in Mike. Dantonio is due to believe he can learn your Guy James Harden with them. No challenge is a good idea in Philly. Well. I thought you said that's okay. If the question is a good idea for dantonio James Harden in Philly not son. Look, I'm not saying Dantonio can't coach a certain kind of team because Jane look a great coach has to have muse on the floor. Right has extension of himself on the floor and So Popovich had Dunkin Belic Brady. DANTONIO had Steve Nash and James Harden two very different players and he was very successful with both though without any championships but when he had Carmelo couldn't do it because. By in when he had koby couldn't do it. Kobe didn't believe in them or A. You have to have the right player, not only stylistically in terms of your ability to get them to buy in, and you can't just throw your hands up in the air they're not buying in if they don't, you gotta figure out a way to get him to do it. I don't see even if he brings harden harden M beat. I don't see how we la-. It doesn't make any sense to me I, think he's the wrong coach for the sixers. Hey. Listen to happy birthday to will smith TI and childish Gambino is that the right rank as a rapper? Oh, Ti would be one. And Will Smith with me last as a rapper, he was like, are you throwing on Wilson's? Here's a couple of actually you know what I might have to rethink that. When Will Smith I'm not even talking about. Summertime or one of those things where he started sound like rock him a little bit and he. Took took a cool and the gang loop I'm talking about early will smith parents of the world just don't understand no the parents. Girls of the world they nothing but trouble like go all the way back will smith used to top the charts. But that was a long time ago. Nuggets, got them right where I want him. I hate to tell you lakers I'm one. Be a problem accidentally shot. 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"I am speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis. I'm Jeff Turner and this is recall it's a series about history not the ancient past history that hot to the touch. In this first season, I explore a revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the CBC listen APP or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Don't you play. Ball up in. Band. and. Pop Culture. It's what rough cowboys drink on cold nights which scheming politician sip in Dark wood-paneled lounges. The Brown. Hemingway's lemonade. Talking about whisky for all of its lower, we rarely see images of women drinking whisky, of course, women do drink. And distill it and review it and they love it. So when whisky writer, Becky Paskhin came across Jim Murray's twenty twenty, one Whisky Bible, this line stopped her cold. If whiskey could be sexed, this would be a woman knows how to Pote Seduce and win your heart. Becky pass called out the Whisky Bible and sexism in the spirits industry and a live discussion on instagram. She counted thirty four reviews and this year's release of the Whisky Bible that she found used sexist or vulgar language. Her Post went viral since then women in the whiskey industry have been speaking up past can joins me from Brighton England becky morning. Hi. I'm well, thanks. Is. Two hundred Kenneth she is known as the whiskey last see she's a writer and enthusiast who has been in the industry for decades. She is in Saint John New, Brunswick track according to you. Good Morning. Math becky when you started to read those descriptions of Whiskey in twenty twenty, one whisky, Bible. How did you? React. funnily, enough I was actually on a train at back down to bartend from. Scotland visiting some whisky distilleries and I was looking at a pdf on my laptop and with my face mosque on and I feel sorry for everyone else around me because my reaction was just Oh. This is price. He must have been wondering what I was reading. You could have read it and just been disgusted, but you decided to call it out why take that extra step? Because I think the objectification women whiskey is there's no place for it today I mean it was once upon a time in the world of whiskey where whisky companies would get away with this with that marketing which involved and sexist imagery, very an alluring imagery of women in their appetizing but. There were so many women making whisky. Whisky enjoying. That actually referring to women in such a way in a whiskey refused book is just so disrespectful to You're enjoying it and making it what sort of response to to get to to the post. I. Mean I've been message thousands of times. I had a lot of people get in touch. With support as as everyone's probably saying that have been a lot of support from whiskey companies is while he will agree that and sexist language has no place in the world of escape an an an mostly, quite lot of messages for women young women he would just new to the industry and even established blenders and distillers who said thank you so much for standing up for us because we're so tired of this kind of rhetoric. They would just say grateful that something had finally been set and not the industry had acted in the way that it has joined mcinnis. When you saw Becky's post what was your reaction? Mostly grateful and. The realization that this this this is it. This is where the chain begins. From your perspective I mean being grateful. What have you seen in the industry? You've been writing about the whisky industry for decades how sexist isn't? It I mean it's gradually gotten better. I've been doing this I've been always ski enthusiasts for almost. Thirty years of my life and I've seen you know. In really bad times all the way to our current situation, which is much much better So it's been a journey and it's like everything else in life I. IT involves a change in culture, and so this is where I feel like are the time is now with everything that's going on it is time when this language appears in in something called the Whisky Bible. Calling yourself the Whisky Bible is one thing but how big of a following doesn't have the? Is it the Bible of Whiskey? I think you'd be wrong person to get the number actually purchased that book So I rely on peer reviews or word of mouth or I. Mean obviously you know just trying it myself for for myself because I think. whiskey is a very individual thing. It's it's no different than if I were to ask you, you know what? What vegetables should I be eating I mean you have different needs and requirements and pallets than I would. So I think you know having a an all being do all one book that covers every single individual that would be drinking is is beyond. My realm of understanding Becky, how big of a deal is it for you to call out riding in in this book and the Whisky Bible. Well, I actually goes beyond the Whisky Bible. There's I think the reason why we have same much of a response to that sexual major paste was because there is a deep seated underlying issue had that sexism In relation to women who work in risk in Hugh enjoy Whiskey is a issue and I think. What I said about Murray's Whisky Bible is just one instance of the sexism that. Women have faced they today in the vine of wack whether that's an pouring drums from behind the bar and ordering a ball or or even working in a risky show. What happens if you go to a bar and US for Whiskey becky would have you experienced. and. It depends on the ball that if it's disliked. Department specialising whiskey. It's. A k. you join ice with that you should join Johnson Kaik with that whereas if I was a guy, you wouldn't be asked that question. It's happened quite a lot an often even at whiskey is I presented it whisky shows hosted quite stands and. The guys will come up to the stand off the speak to a one of my male colleagues despite the fact I, you know I was the editor of whiskey publication and my colleagues understand where. My colleagues and Yet, they would. I would cost me to speak somebody else because as in there is I didn't know anything. What is it Joanna Boat whiskey that has made it such a male dominated field and that would allow for that language to still be pervasive mean. Yes. Sexism exists throughout society But in this field, what is it that that you know people have believed would would keep an as such a male dominated field. I think it's just an outdated view based on nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies marketing to be quite honest the reality is you know in in my lifetime in North America I can't speak for everywhere else but in in Canada specifically, forty percent of Whiskey drinkers, females to tending festivals, and that's WHO's drinking whiskey. And you know we're not. We're not necessarily interested in having whiskies marketed to us. We just want it to be gender neutral so I should have the ability to walk up to a stand. As easily as you would matt and after a whiskey without having, you know the with the rhetoric that exactly what Becky said are you sure this is what you want. You didn't want like a Pinochle water did you want some ice and Matt or? and I think another thing that needs to change to be quite honest is. It needs to be marketed. differently. So the whisky industry has a responsibility to start marketing whiskey as gender neutral or that it's for everyone it's not just for men and that's how I feel about you talk about Marketing Walker released. A. Jane Walker Label is there anything I mean aside from the name? Is there anything different in the bottle Joanne between Johnny? Walker and Jane Walker? You know and I believe I could be wrong on this but I believe it was actually slightly more expensive than the regular Johnny Walker which for me. It's just another form of sexism. So it you know I. It didn't I didn't I refused even drink it to be quite honest but that's again a personal choice I just I have a staunch stand on those types of things becky have you seen the industry change and it's not just in in light of your post but. Things change over time. Have you seen the industry change and change the language, but also try to be more inclusive? Oh absolutely in the whiskey industry as far as I've nine it since I've been working in Whiskey for ten years I, is it stemming cle-? Says the same many different people in NASA friendly it. So welcoming the industry itself is a I've never experienced sexism from within the industry. This is. A thing that comes from consumers it can the lost years especially with the different movements that we've been saying that has been a real effort to. Try and change the perception of Whiskey as being a man drink that said I. still think that there's more that the industry can be doing an John said. Whiskey marketing needs to lose this. I did only white men drink whisky kids. Yes. When been. Rather people of different backgrounds as well. Why are we only ever seeing walk men in -tising and I think once that we have a an. Gender Balance and. When we have more gender-balanced advertising, we'll start to see this perception of whiskey just being a man's drink start to fade away Julie just finally in the last minute or so that we have as a as somebody who's been in this industry for a while. What would you say to young women who are just getting into the industry and they're concerned about what we've been talking in the sexism that they might face? I think the biggest thing that I would love to see happen and it's been mentioned a few times in in conversations is the women in the Industry today you know should be there and available to mentor the Women of the next generation and I? Think that might make a huge difference in changing the culture within so to speak. It's great to speak with you both about this, Becky thank you for your post and the conversation that it's generated. Joanne great to have you with us. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks thanks to mcinnis as a writer known as the Whiskey Lassie. becky pass is Whiskey journalist keeper of the quake and the CO founder of our Whiskey Company, which is a campaign to highlight diversity within the whisky industry. We did reach out to Jim Murray of the Whisky Bible for comment on this, he sent us a statement that reads in part people drink. Whisky for its sensual qualities through nose and taste the Whisky Bible will reflect the sensuality and the better the whiskey. The more sensual it is essentially doesn't always equate to sex, and when it does that doesn't automatically equal sexism. He says, he apologizes those who were offended but not to quote the Woke Brigade and quote for more CBC podcasts Goto CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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DUDES WHO WANNA ROCK: Let's talk about some miniseries (Queen's Gambit, The Undoing, A Teacher)

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DUDES WHO WANNA ROCK: Let's talk about some miniseries (Queen's Gambit, The Undoing, A Teacher)

"They play speed chess that is nuts speed chess is just move move move move move move move move move. That's crazy. I figured it out, but it was like chess but it's but they spend it up. They put a PO got it. Yeah brunch hit it for we got less pressure on this episode less pressure. I think so. Why do you say that? Possibly? I feel like there's there should be a little pressure. I've never felt it before but there should be a little pressure before the holiday episode and not like an episode about the holidays, but an episode around the time people might be traveling to a holiday. Think about it. That's like a big listening to podcast time on the ride home. Maybe it's an hour-long maybe pop on an episode of brunch. If you bring in a significant other for the first time and there's some new people listen to it though. Like hey, you mind if I listen to this podcast, I think you'd like it then they put it on and we're doing I don't know one of our Clunkers people are like off. Let's see what kind of shit you listen to fair fair and then our classic brunch listener Betsy feels like an asshole stops listening to brunch cuz she's embarrassed and while the joke's on Betsy because if you're listening to brunch in the car with a dog Somebody else then you're canceled, but that's right. Thanksgiving is canceled. So that's it this year right now. We shouldn't care because if you're making a if you're doing it Thanksgiving drive. It's probably the 20 minutes and it's to see four people total and you're not bringing anybody with you does you said there's not somebody in the car so really this is my life. There's no pressure. I mean, we always feel this very heavy weight of this. This episodes really got a pop and you know, we're fighting the whole week of it's like leading up to show time. We are very much stress. Yeah. It is like the ultimate crunch for six days before we before we hit the record button and then when like the recording part is the easiest part. Yeah. It's the the grind of birth of putting together an episode table read dress rehearsal rewriting stuff rewriting that and then usually like the rewrite makes us think shit this part of this re-rod Is really what the actual game is. So unless expand that and then we're not sleeping the night before the show because we're rewriting and rewriting. They were bounced it up people we do the listen with patreon listeners off on subscribers where hey check out this practicing. What do you think we should do for this we take feedback patreon really thriving and then by the time like we're just so strung out on drugs knows what by the time we actually have record for the episode that you're right there isn't much pressure. But those the days leading up to it my God. Yeah. I mean if we've ever done a clunker it's because we were practicing so hard to make the episode and we're really at our best and everybody knows we're really at our best when we're podcasting to nobody right? So wing-it love this Thanksgiving episode, right right you yeah, cuz I mean this is how this is what happens with Geniuses, right? They do stuff that's genius people agree. They're Geniuses and then they're like, okay, I know and everybody knows wage. That I'm a genius integrate drive yourself fucking crazy trying to do. All right. So then that means the next thing I do can't be something that these idiots who think I'm a genius I can expect or think or understand. I heard anything like I've got to reinvent the fucking wheel and I've got a I've got a shock myself. I've got a shock the world and that's what we do every week. But there's a lot of stress that comes with it, but I'll tell you what people are doing fucking 12-minute car rides tomorrow fucking this can suck. We're already done. Yeah. Yeah, there's going to be there's going to be a mini-episode. Do you let everybody that would be amazing on the mean using mini as a prefix gotta say we're doing stunk watch miniseries. Oh, yeah through the roof right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah the roofing. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know why but like apparently there's just like a big influx of really good mini-series. They've overtake if we were to stunk watch mini-series very high, but honestly off I've always had miniseries very high because right one it's not you not over-committing yourself, you know what you're getting into and it's very it's you get get out. Yeah, and also like that usually leads to like pretty good product because when you go into a mini-series, you create a mini-series you have the whole thing planned out for you, right? And then you just it's very clean. Plus there's the the in this borrow something from like a sitcom. There's the will they won't day of watching a miniseries where you know, you're in on the ground floor of something that potentially could become wage not a miniseries like when you're watching season one of twenty four, you got that tingly little feeling of like what if they all get through this maybe who knows? Maybe there's another problem next year and then she looking at it 12 season series. It's a it's it's fun being in on the ground floor of what could be a longer thing tired mini-series wired T show startups wage. Exactly what it is and people would line. I we should whenever there's a new miniseries we should get the writer and director on in kind of put pressure on them of what happens. If this does well wage like the big conversation of hey what happens if this teacher never gets found out and and then we have what happens if they're in love. Yeah, and then we have the the Ole. Hey, what if everybody thinks you're a genius and you're going to have to you're going to have to really really outdo yourselves. Now that everybody knows that you're a genius you're going to do some crazier more shocking shit than I am an adult having sex with a child. I don't know why I'm only using effects and who lose a teacher for my miniseries example, but it is one of the ones we're watching. You're all about the undoing as well. I just started that very in on it. I recently I don't know. I did like three days it took me to do the Queen's Gambit and legitimately that's not a miniseries though wage. Is that a regular series mini-series maybe series? Wow, I think so. I mean way hotter in the street. I mean that's definitely not going to be a miniseries. By the way with how how popular that is. Unless like she dies at the end. I don't know. I I watched it I refuse to watch so you're doing the thing that I've done we've all done. I did it with like we've all done with things where you haven't watched something and everyone tells you how good it is in that guarantees. You're not going to watch it fucking tell you what you never noticed that there wasn't a lot of Hamilton soundtrack talked on this podcast. I was just lying to people saying yes, I have checked out the Hamilton soundtrack. I'm not going to give them a shout. Oh, I love it so much. It's the best but really I was so fucking overwhelmed. It was like people were fucking sitting on me being like Hamilton check it out. It's like any time the most popular thing in the world. If you're not in in the first five minutes, I'm not going to be in a little trepidation. Yeah. I'm not going to be in. Yeah, and and I also like a back to myself into a corner where it's like I'm not going to let not going down. Fomo dictate what I watch and how I spend my free time. Like I I saw the preview for the Queen's Gambit I decided I wasn't interested. I don't care what you say. It could be the best show in the world. I decided I'm not interested in I'm not letting my phone low and everybody talking about it on Twitter and everything dictate what I'm going to watch but eventually and there's got to be examples of this Back to the Future isn't a good one because we watched we were like, yeah, there was a silly movie Whatever wage but there are things that you just put off watching and put off watching and then when you watch it, you're like, holy shit. Yeah. It's fuckingawesome. I'm an idiot like we we've talked about this every now and then somebody clearly listens took to Nirvana Unplugged for the first time like once a month there like a friend or somebody will be like Look, I know it's been out but how fucking good is Nirvana Unplugged and you're like, yes, it has been out. I think the one that we saw was like nobody talks about this and it's a walk they sure do. Oh, so yeah that was so now we're getting real inside baseball see recipient read that like three days out we talked about. I don't know Sarah sivian under the bus long as we go back and forth quite a bit. Yeah. She's she's the best but we'd had there was like why do people act like Nirvana Unplugged isn't this like Super Bowl known thing and like a couple of days later recipient was like I gotta saying no one talks about was like she was used dropping officer or something, but it just further but like people do that people will be yeah man, Nirvana Unplugged. Have you checked that shit out? I yes, I have I believe I was Nineteen Ninety, right? I was a child, but I did it. It was old at that point wage. I think like in high school I watched it. But yeah, I know like I just feel like there there is so many waves of Netflix stuff at this point to where it's like everybody was obsessed about Tiger King. I didn't watch Weird Science survive. Yeah, we're all here. I feel like I might get through the Queen's Gambit to without without feeling that way. I got it. I'm sorry. I got to give you the plea don't do that. Don't skip the Queen's Gambit. It is legitimately I thought about as soon as I finished it. I was like, this is my thought on let it sit for a couple of days ready to say it. It's the best thing I have been charged off since I've been Breaking Bad, that's crazy. And I don't I was trying to think I was like, well what else have I really been changed but I mean it had that feeling it's only eight episodes but I like all right. I'm going to bed episode. I got a little work done. I would type like three words and be like, I fucking hate writing. Why can't I fucken watch the Queen's get like it's one it takes over your life for like things that you enjoy like dead. Would it tastes worse because eating is not watching the Queens Gambit. It's fucking crazy. Like it's the way that people like would talk about breaking bad. Like maybe see you you did it to me before we knew each other remember, How much was that? But you pushed Breaking Bad on I did like yeah, we you did an interview with me a million years ago and you one of them things was like I can't believe you stole refuse to watch Breaking Bad and I my answer was like I was like funny back then I was like, I can't believe a you expect me to believe that breaking bad's a show is such a hassle but it's not fucking real. You're stupid weird kid I need so what I think what needs to happen is for me to watch this show. I need I need a bunch of people come out and say hey Queens Gambit. Not that good. You don't get to watch it out. Yeah, I got find out. Yeah, it's more of like a cure is well, I gotta I gotta come to an opinion myself. If everybody's out there being like, you know the show fucking rocks. I don't wage. What should I know that Iraq, whatever John feitelberg thinks. It is very good and calm down. So okay. I mean that's a step in the right direction. I suppose I said you Marie said that he was like Wow worth the hype and wage is like the biggest critic of everything. He is a if something is the super popular, he's like, oh cool. How can I hate this? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jim Murray is I don't know like and I'm like, I don't say that like that makes him sound like a dick. I respect the hell out of Jim Murray and his opinions. Yeah. So like when he's like this though, he's not jumping into everything for the height, right, you know, and if he says this thing this thing sucks, I'm like long does this thing suck. Yeah, let's find out. Yeah, I Jim is on a shortlist and pretty damn well near the top of like taste-makers in my life where life he says, this is good or this is bad or whatever. I'm probably checking it out, you know, so I mean look still not going to do it. You really not yet dead. And but I'm not mad at you because I've done what you're doing before but like you are playing yourself. Yeah, you're missing out. I mean, I watched the first episode of I feel like it could be losing out on some content to offer like like right now, I'm the guy who doesn't watch the Queen's Gambit. So you know, what you need to do make a bunch of Queens Gambit memes right do what I would do and like make a thing out of that. You don't watch it. Right? Not only are you not going to have to have the internet I'm going to have the nut button. It's going to say not watching the Queens campus. Yeah. Yeah watch something that isn't the Queen's Gambit or like when you're playing chess and then like the nut button just says Queens Gambit the time Chester I can help you with this cool. You want to be insufferable in your not watching this? Yeah. Here's here's the question is is it time to stress? Oh, yeah where they slapped the they slapped the old button although sometimes. Yes, they so that's how they do it when they're in tournaments, but when they're just fucking Iraq, Because they're always kind of working on their craft. They play speed chess that is nuts speed chess is just move move move move move move move move move. Yeah. I mean crazy I figured it out but it was like chess but it's but they spend it up. They probably got it. Yeah, they say Taylor Swift you just mansplain speed test me. Good good. Everybody mansplains, sometimes everybody met somebody talked about like mansplain and this sucks because like this is actually mansplaining. I did get annoyed with in the Heyday of mansplaining the term mansplaining people would just use it for any time. Someone was condescending so mansplaining gate. Yes, man's play man's plan Gates giving birth. Mansplaining Gates giving explain Gates giving so we can't really talk about the Queen's Gambit. Other than that. I love it and that you not button watching off. Not dude. I had such a good nut button meme that that I know I look I've been on Twitter a little bit. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and just send me a tweet that's like another day back to work. It's just not watching the queens and not watching the Queens Gambit first thing in the morning, maybe animate it so like the man's moving back and forth. Don't think we've seen one of those before I did a back before the NFC East conversation got too predictable and out of control. The NFC East is a U football. I'm going to mansplain a football sports division where all the teams are bad and there are two teams the Eagles and Giants playing each other into his the game was a ballet recital. Nobody was doing anything wrong. . I did the I didn't made the nut button meme of like NFC NFC east teams and the button was when the NFC East but I photoshopped out the hand and Justified like four lines and then yeah what the hell but perhaps like I think people didn't notice like hey the hands gone, you know like this is a bad. This is a bad nut button. Yeah, like something yeah self is missing here. I do. I do love the nut button meme. I like trying to like reinvent it in different ways. Again is the hand there is the hand not there. Are you just totally misunderstanding the whole meme like again, if you start to put out Queens Gambit themed memes based on not knowing anything about it. I toss a yeah when you're playing chess and then just the Queen's Gambit. I don't think that actually that actually does make sense because the Queen's Club It is a move in so is it yeah. Okay. I'll tell you just in that show and you probably know as much about we probably both are the same amount about Chess which is probably remember how to play kind of maybe is that where you are sort of? Yeah, right. Like I know what the the pieces do. Yes exactly is it but but you can't keep up with prodigies who are playing chess, but watching it even though you don't totally understand the action in that show is incredible. Should we play it just on Twitch? Yes, that would be a good idea to Gambit. Yes. Hell yeah chess is actually huge on Twitch. Really? Yeah huge. I like it off. We can play chess against each other. Yeah, that would be wild and then we can do speed chess. I mean, I'd have to explain to you. What is this to you what that is, but dead. Can't recommend enough. I don't want to spoil it too much but it's an orphan is an orphan becomes this chess Prodigy, but she has drug problems. So it's kind of obviously the drug thing is serious. But like what kind of drugs kind of fucking rock and roll now, there's this chess Prodigy who can stop drinking and pills like tranquilizers and stuff. It said in the sixties, but that there's like this chess Prodigy and they're like, oh how lovely a girl is playing chess and she just moved back here everybody else and she's like fucking can't stand and his like sweating the whole games and like that's what makes that's what makes me tick it like it's chess but with drugs and stuff and never actually like I've never had anybody explained or mansplain what the Queen's Gambit actually is. That is an interesting. I just literally thought it was a jest show. I honestly I just took the leap because people were like dead. It's about just but trust me, it's cool. And I'm like, I guess the trust me, it's cool. We'll get me because if you're just like it's about Chess you should like it. I'll be like, well, I fucking won't suck. I don't like chess. I'm a speed chess guy. 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No text back, but you Tweeting because you're talking about how great the undoing is so it's like you clearly got time for a miniseries. You're just not watching the one you should be watching. Fuck you, whatever wage people lash out people act out. It's it's fine. I like having my own thing, right? That's cool. I respect it. I watched the first episode. I'm very hooked all the way in. What a great cast. Yep, right. Yeah. So I I don't know if you saw the specs we I think it's probably this week that you saw is the cuz I don't think I've talked about the undoing too much. The undoing is big little lies meets than I dove right? Yes, and I was like cool mom to both of those things. Yeah, and it's from the same guy. Who does Big Little Lies Nicole Kidman David Kelly, right? Yeah. He eat a Dean dude. No, he didn't do the night of fright know he did. Oh, I yep. Wait, somebody did somebody called did the night of though David E. Kelley did Kelly did the practice practice know that's crazy one boss person didn't watch the practice. I think it was like a little bit too too early for me. Oh, I was I was in Middle School when it was so yeah, you would have been in elementary school watching. It's like like the bounce murderers getting off and shit. Is that a is it David Duchovny David Duchovny? And I guess that's it. The guy what's his face off shoot Steve Harris the actor whose right? Is he in it? Anyway great great show the practice David Kelly grade who did the night off? So here is interests. It's the night of was by Stevens zillion zillion and in parenthesis. It says Schindler's List. He wrote Schindler's List is dead. Pinion Gears of how far medium to send what how do you say that last day then I guess zillion zillion. Yeah. Okay. That's a I mean Schindler am pretty good thing to have on your resume. Haven't seen Schindler's List of you. Yes, it was actually part of my 365 unseen cool. That's that's a cool fun to watch. So you actually asked me recently if it would have been easier or harder to do that project this year with like locked down and I I think it would have been way harder. Oh, I disagree why because like half off the list is just like the shity new movies that I go see in theaters. Oh, right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So like keep your normal Pace like one or two movies a week and then bang some out at home. You're off it gets it's the easiest part of doing that was like doing my weekly Richie ritual going to the movies enjoying myself right and like being at home. There's you got other options off. Able, like well plant a shitload of video games on the subject of movies. I was thinking about that like you have kind of thrived would maybe be I've picked up right? Like you've you've liked you found good uses of your time and stuff during all of this and Myself and a lot of others I think like have just been more going crazy. So very jealous that like you've picked up thing but on the subject of movies in theaters were only a week and half away before we can watch what's called. I don't know. Wait. What wait, what are we talking about? The VIN song on kids hormones a freaky freaky? Yeah that's on demand really, right. So they when they put things in theaters, generally they put them on demand three weeks later I did. When you put them in theatres, they're on now. Oh, yeah, I don't know I saw they changed that pretty recently like a m c or some whatever distribution cut it down to two weeks be in theaters for two weeks and then goes to you in the man. Really? Yeah. I mean if we can do freaky on Friday, then I'll be psyched. We also have a nice Christmas Chronicles that comes out today first why I don't want more of that. I want more of the other. I want more of the Waffle House movie The off house remember that movie no. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah the Netflix. Well dammit one was that called? I don't know but there was a scene where the two kids sit down and one of them starts playing the whole of the moon on the piano and they're seeing it together and then she starts dancing with the college kid, and he just like stops playing piano and walks away. I'm like, yo, she's going to notice that the songs over now, let it snow. Let us know man. I was in years that had a lot of stuff there was like technological dependence there was like people dealing with like being with like their hook up there being closeted like there was some complex shit going on like one of them was like, they're one of the parents like dying. Yeah. That was the boring part though. Yeah, but I will say Christopher article seems to be going in a much different direction than the first one which I'm interested in. Hopefully, it's going in a it's a good movie direction. That would be a different direction from the first one. Yeah, but I don't want it to go in that direction. Also, I like the song. It's Chronicles. The first one I'd like genuinely liked it. It was stupid and and pretty bad didn't like all the ways that I want to a stupid Christmas movie to be when he said fake news. I was like, wow, that was oh, I mean, I hate anytime they like they do that in the undoing at some point. Really. Yeah damn back to the undoing which is good. But Christmas Chronicles, they go to the North Pole. I think it looks like there's this year. That's cool. So it looks like it's basically becoming it's just following the path of the Santa Claus because in the Santa Claus do they go to like the North Pole right? Maybe no. No, there's one of those Santa Claus movies where they go to the North Pole. I don't know. I don't know the I think I've probably seen them all but I don't know the the Santa Claus universe and Ellen is obsessed with the Santa Clause 2. Really? Yeah, she David krumholtz. I don't know but I love David krumholtz. I love that and also with your trade-ins explain who some who he is to someone in your like, he's Bernard. He's fucking Bernard from the father's absolutely wage. No reason that I should know that character's name, right but I fucken know that character's name for the rest of my life. David Barnes. He'd be a good brunch guest it's good though. The undoing wage. Its it doesn't quite hook you in right off the bat as the night of did but it's in a similar thing where you're like, oh, okay. I mean the night of was legendary pilot probably the best pilot for a miniseries ever. I mean at least of ones that we've seen great cast Hugh Grant and Nicole Kidman, he's just taking the I'm sure you've pieced This Together. What's their big connection? I don't know. I haven't really thought about it Paddington villains. Oh, that's right. That's right. Good call. Yeah. Wow. I like I say Paddington one. Honestly, like barely exists in my mind. People will come to me. They're like, oh I'm a game. so and so watch Mamma Mia and I'm like I really have this conversation, I've seen Mamma Mia. Maybe only twice like Mamma Mia 2 is the best movie ever Paddington 2 is the best movie ever. I didn't like I don't really like Paddington 1,000 times in one was good. But I mean Paddington 2 just pulls out of the water and my entry point was Paddington 2. It's one thing if like you watch Paddington one you like. Okay, this is good and then like you give it credit for getting you to Paddington 2, I went straight for the sequel. Yeah, we should maybe we should do a thing where people not typically point out like, oh sequels are always bad given me, Mia 2 and Paddington 2 are the best movies. We should do like a put a like a meme type tweet thing like a movie prompting like name a movie that is better than its sequel. Or just be like, I think I'm going to skip this one. I'll wait for the sequel. Yeah, totally. It's like watch like when a miniseries like I'll wait till they water it down and make sure seasons of it before. I'll check it out. It's about murder a deaf people trying to figure out which it's going on. But mainly I'm just in on this family. You got who Hugh Grant Nicole Kidman they got a dog who is bootleg Matty Healy. You know that yeah. Yeah like that Hillary true. He's like in a bunch of shit and like he's like an itch child actor, but I really really know like with what he's from interesting. He I'm pretty sure that he was in the the the John John Krasinski movie the song the horror one a quiet place. Oh, maybe yes. Yes. I think that's him. I think that's him. I do like the idea of calling a young so and so who likes someone else to just underscore that young people are worse off. Yeah, okay, but generally actually just when when when our version of their parents right like when our people actually good though, I'm a stupid. Yeah kids are babies who can talk so they just can sound stupid. Yeah, but like like toddlers like the one to to those are the settings role. Yeah. Those are like that's like the Goodyear toddlers. I think those are the those are the glory years. Don't you Satan? Yep, young adults think they know better than everyone and that is young adults actually, maybe like the Wagers teenagers are more hyped right and like they are for sure the worst people on Earth but like they're like the bad people Dark Horse like just after the teenage years. I want to see like I would like nineteen years. 26th shut the fuk up and I look once upon a time I was that unfortunately it was not recently but like I see people in that age range and I'm like, oh god. Oh, you think you're so much smarter than everyone else and I bet I did too. So that brings us to I will say like like that age range now, it seems like the people are better there. I'm like like moral was morality. Yes. Yes, they are. Definitely they're definitely better than one. That was my age range, but they definitely right. They're smarter. You said you thought you were better than everyone and also you were an asshole like these people are well-intentioned and think they're better than everyone adults are sad young and old people are racist. Yeah. Yeah, so racist and stubborn and and also stupid definitely stupid. Yeah the ends off. Like the beginning passed around from hand-to-hand screaming for no particular reason and pooping your pants. Shout-out father Josh M. Toddlers. I'll give you yeah tell those are great and babies are often like they are stupid but babies are a lot of fun to their bit. They're very warm. You ever hold warm smell weird. Yeah. Don't smell their head like wage like Pete Holmes when he smells bird Topia don't do that honey. She he's smelling the baby. Don't be a freak wage, but it's a good family. It's a good cast that got my biggest question. Did you get to Donald Sutherland yet? CNO. He's introduced as Grace's father and he is he's a good he's a good character his grace Nicole Kidman. Yes, cool Hugh Grant and grace are in a relationship. They're married to each other and I was immediately e taken with Hugh Grant's how horny he is for his own wife. Like he's a white guy right? Like he does he qualify as a way. Yeah. There's a thing. She's trying to get him to go to this thing. He doesn't want to go and he says I won't do is it's for the the school their kids school says, all right, I'll do it but not for the kids. I'll do it for you because you're hot. Yes, I love that girl. Who calls anybody hot anymore and especially who calls their significant other hot, right and like in I'm assuming like you're like twenty of marriage being like you're hot, that's so wrong. I mean, who knows what ends up happening with this family? This is a mysterious show probably some mysterious shit, but I was like, well, I aspire to that type of really that's honestly like the when you have a show like this and then they they go through like that. Here's this family and you're like, all right, whatever get to the get to whatever the shows about. I want a mystery a few more episodes of like the banter in the house. Yeah him just hitting on his own wife. Yeah. Like they're they're at a event and he's like gotta find a place to have sex and I'm like what a couple but you said they've been married for a long-ass time. She's preoccupied with all this like he's not paying attention to anything. She's doing he is a classic wife guy because I think like his biggest priority is how much he loves his wife and not actually his wife, you know. Yes, I key. Like I like I love my relationship with my wife like cool. What what does she do that makes you happy? He's like a fucking love my wife bought those people exist man. It's he's your classic wife guy. And that's a I think that's generally as far as I am. I've deduced that. He's a wife guy and he's something's afoot. Yeah, you got a lot to get to it. I'm excited for your church. So there's more episodes. There's more there's only like five episodes though because I believe there's been three or four so far and yep. Weekend is the season finale. Oh really series finale because it is and who knows you never know. We're going to have to get David Kelly on I mean, I would say that it seems like this is It's heading off like a final conclusion. But if we're going to keep drawing parallels to the night of right the night of they said was a mini series and they're allegedly continuing that. Oh, really? I thought they said it right afterwards like right after the night of wrapped up. It was like, oh yeah doing they're doing another season of this big little lies was a miniseries initially reason to see about 24 is it shouldn't have but I never watched that second season 2 not very good really not very good at all season one was awesome. Amazing. Yeah. I might go back and watch that before. I watch season 2, you'll probably want go back to watch that for you up to Queens Gambit. Probably, you know that there's more episodes of the show. Not the first time you've broken that news to me well, Lynn on a teacher and I was like, hey, you caught up on a teacher. We gotta be ready to go, you know, look very stressful time leading up two episodes and you're like going to bang out this last episode. That'll be ready to go home my way here. You text me. Wow, didn't see this happening something that I haven't seen yet. I'm not caught up. So it's a wild you now have hand. Yeah, I do. I'm like my mean you off hand you you've been like on top of every single move that a teacher's made and also we have never live texted a show that we've not been watching together. Yeah more than we well. I guess it's like a one-way street because I'm getting caught up. Yeah, and I'm texting you maybe even surpassing size. Like I say, I've been I've been like texting you because I know that you've seen these these episodes until you haven't right. So I've been I've been like doing live commentary via text on a teacher because there's a lot to talk about when it comes to this show you probably have a phone number. Experience watching it if you're texting during it because it's a it's a gripping show. Yeah, so not not all the right reasons, right? They that you're texting at least means like your kind of living away for you. Right? Like when I'm watching it. I'm like making a face that doesn't change the entire show. So I mean, if you if you took last week's episode, you know that I was like apprehensive about watching a teacher because I was just like a little a little nervous about like how they were going to address the the touchy subject matter and how uncomfortable I would feel watching it and you said that I was going to feel uncomfortable and like they're they're definitely Parts where you're like, oh man. Oh, it's weird that that like like you said you kind of laid out where like you you see, I thought the the wrong decisions happen like step-by-step and you're like if you only didn't do that, right, it's wouldn't have had snowballed and like it has been uncomfortable watching that the episode that you have not watched log. This episode that just came out had literally like I wanted to jump out of my skin like one of the one of those moments and that doesn't happen often. I was like, this is so fucking uncomfortable. Oh God good show though. Very very good show like the performances are great. Right, which I don't maybe I think it's good because it's like dead you don't see shit like this. No one wants to see shit like this. No one wants to tackle and and like a show like this being bad could be the worst thing in the world that could change in careers. Yeah, honestly, like really really good. And if the show was bad, it would be like I would want to take a like a Brillo pad and scrub my break free of it. All right, so assuming people have haven't watched or whatever we'll set up basically what the show is so it's uh teacher starts teaching at a, New Jersey. We'll in her hometown and starts. She's married married to a doctor and clearly she's like not content with her whole situation there trying to get pregnant. She's being a little weird with her husband and she starts having sex with student because she's she takes us interest in him in tutoring him. She took him UT, Texas because he wants to go there. I can't believe he didn't mentioned in last week's episode that had it takes place in all it takes place in Austin and she's like, I don't know if you want to go into the weeds of it like weather. Like that's the grooming like before anything is happening between the two romantically it's like there's so many like, oh my God in Iraq. It don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. He ends up kissing her. She's like yo would have an appropriate reaction of a teacher being kissed by a student being like, whoa. Absolutely not. Okay, right like you're going to be fired. What the fuck is wrong with you blah blah and you're like sweet series over and didn't go away I expected right and anyway, they so she starts sleeping with this law student. I totally there was a point I want to bring up about this show and again show was very well done. Well written acted everything but I found one part of it down unnecessarily event very unnecessary and offensive the show chooses to shame the hell out of dudes who on Iraq did you know dead? Oh, yes, let's say there is such a strong like all right, and as everyone knows what kind of fuckin loser wants to rock her in showing the strain between she and her husband her husband one day comes home with like a new way amp and she's like listen, he comes home with a like a full fucking music, right? There's like a boss Paul on there. Like there's probably like $20,000 worth of right so he he he gets a lot of music equipment and she's like, what are you doing? And you know, it's a bad sign when she asked him. How much does this cost? And he says I got a real good deal whenever you don't disclose the the the numerical some and you say don't worry. I got a really good deal. I actually now I kind of want to see a screen grab of that room. I'd like to suck just i ball like, okay that's $2,000. That's $4,000 like heat so he did spend a lot of money. He's a fucking doctor. So he's a doctor works very hard meme. Good living and he is like a hobby rocker on the side and and there is so much there's there's no stain for that kind of like what do you got to stop wage and yet so so she says he's like, hey some of the guys at the hospital play instruments. Am I your doctor friend? Yeah, and she says so what are you going to start a band and he's like taken aback by how rude that is and she says, oh my God, you're going to start a band and walks out and I let out a Soprano's. Oh what the fuck and one time she comes home from fucking cheating on her husband with a kid and he's sitting around with his buddies. They got guitars out. They got beers and he's like, hey babe. We're just like talking about some song ideas want to hang out. I can't believe you would disappoint me like that. Right? Yeah, and she's like no I'm going to bed like walks away like kind of rolling her eyes like these fucking losers like this this show very much dead. I just don't understand why that is the device to show that her husband's not cool because I mean personally and I think a lot would agree like dudes rocking pretty cool. Very funny song. Yeah. I hope I specially when it's like not a dude whose job is to rock like it's a Doctor Who's like, I also Rock he's a hobby rocker which like not to get too deep in this but the writer director of the show is married to Jake longstreth the co-host of Time Crisis who his main his profession is he's a prolific painter, but he's also like a hobby rocker. He's got he's in a Grateful Dead cover band. He's got a band called Mountain bruised. That's fucking awesome. And I'm like what the heck gotta be watching this. Like, what do you it's his wife takeouts will pass it. I don't get why this guy's not cool. That was maybe reading way too much into it. But like it was just funny that let me tell you something to the episode that you have not watched. Yeah, it doesn't get any better. Oh my God, so I hope that when should the fan and like as like when they come to the door and they got her in cuffs and like they're pulling her away. I hope he's like wait before you go. You made me feel really not cool for being a dude who wants to rock. Well, you fuck kids I'm way fucking cooler than you know, an age. I'm taking your side of the bedroom and I'm put my guitar in it, right? I'm putting the fucking 9 piece drum kit, right where you go. How does that feel? Like, did you notice that though? Like I did not notice it they're playing on the this guy sucks because he wants to ride all thick. I didn't notice it but it it it's not something that would trigger me as much as long as you so first the first scene of that it triggered me. Yeah, and so I get it only gets worse and the episode that you haven't seen because he plays is his first gig bag boy and boy they are not they're not thrilled to be there. Really? Yeah, the the old the old wife the old ball-and-chain not thrilled to be there when she could be out fucking kids. You ever saw was good. Like I mean, we should keep coming back to the center of like this is about this person who's doing terrible things to love the idea you real issue with the show is in this. I love the idea of digging the most problematic thing in the show me to want to fucking rock like just fucking like listen to some of his demos before you know these bad. I mean, he she got all that equipment. He's got me pretty good. Right? He's got taste. Yeah, he's got cool. Yeah and you you you text me that you like. I've got a problem with this show and I thought well, I would hope so too much adults having sex with kids. Yes, but my my guess was like, oh is it that they keep playing that one fucking LCD Soundsystem song over and over again, they literally play. Oh baby every episode and not in like a hey, this is the this is the intro song like a theme song. It's just know it just sprinkled It Off. It's per episode. It's just like kind of I think they got like a you know, when you buy software you can get like a big key for like you can use it on five computers. Yeah, I think when they did this think request they were like off. All right this many thousand to use it. Once you give us 20 more bucks. You can use it in as many episodes you can use it one time or any other services you want. Like that's a good song. I do like the music in it though. Yeah. It's it's all pretty good. Mainly the music that is played by the the doctor. We don't nobody knows I'm not a fucking hater but you know, but they when they when he goes to his gig and she's like explaining to her friend about like what songs they play. He is a cover band they cover some good they cover some good some good bands really Wilco very much believe that those guys like they're playing very much like nail what those guys would be playing. That's so cool. So, yeah, so what would it be so like Wilco Like just like cool like Americana or like Rockman D. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. See what other bands they drop off like I remember welcoming. Oh, okay. Well goes like the Titan there for older stuff my new love big star would fall into that but I don't think that I don't know if that's popular enough. But yeah, I thought I'd go to this guy's gig seems like a bucket a bunch of cool dudes and it was at a bar and I would definitely go to a bar if it was just in Iraq. Yeah. Oh my God shit. Oh on the music thing. Well, how did you feel about the placement of boyfriend? When did that what what's boyfriend this was like some he could make your skin crawl some discomfort. Just somebody somebody said that on Twitter too and I tweeted about Elsa LCD Soundsystem. And I was like, I couldn't I don't remember when that happened. He kisses her in her classroom. And she's like what the fucking a fucking kill you get freaky little kid get the fuck out of here. You don't go kissing teachers fuk U, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you gonna kill you and then like he walks out the episodes and ends with whoa. Wow, how you like this? So I didn't even notice. Yeah, she didn't notice so I mean thank God, I guess they did play they paved walking their Rihanna song where what's it like not really sure how to feel about it something in the way you move. Oh stay wage. They play that while they were having sex in this latest episode a very very strange choice. So that's so but it does it made sense. I guess in the context of the episode. It's just like sex scenes are just like a little too much for me. That's easily the most uncomfortable part of it. Is that like they are important like they are for real portraying like These are people who are doing these things. Yes, which and they're like going not like super over-the-top steamy sex scenes, but it's but am always in the envelope. I mean like it gets into some kind of like I want to like Normal things that people do like did they portray this illegal relationship like using this has to be intentional like using kind of like typical like normal devices of couples who are first starting to see each other like you see like after they start banging like she's starts to feel like very very sexy, you know, like life but that like random smile right that like new relationship kind of like thrilled that you have. We're like for your foolishly you're like a little confident yourself for a little glow right? Like she's got that going on and you're like, Oh and so does he but he's a fucking kid. Yeah, but he's a fucking idiot anyway in the mirror like literally saying I'm the fuk. Oh my god. Oh, how is it that that is the the answer is because there's an adult having sex with a kid. I was going to say, how is it that that's like the eighth most uncomfortable part of the show that there's a that he stand in front of the mirrors that on the fucking man. I'm the fucking man off the phone at least they didn't play the Aloe Blacc song Imagine. Yeah, they like cut to 500 Days of Summer You Make My Dreams? He's off. He's like taking the baseball bat like all this fucking high school buddies, like raising him a oh my God, I want I could still come honestly this it's off. I could puke the other the other actors are good to like his friends. I like his friend with the sister who hates his other friend who's trying to bang his sister. Yes, right. Yep. Is but the the other friend who's trying to bang the other friend's sister is in love with the sister. Yes, and the other friend is like, you know, fuck off man. Fuck kids fucking just leave my family alone, please God, you're like, oh wow, there is some Kmart husband too. I feel bad for that guy feel like every think I feel like a rock he wants fucking rock and his wife is literally fucking a child to things. He wants a rock and he loves his wife. Yeah. He's like checking on her. He's not doing anything that would again other than spending an old ballpark at it like $110,000 on music wage board against a doctor. He could probably afford it get that back in a month. Yeah. They live in Texas. I mean Gee, right? No, I I feel bad for that guy because the the actor who plays that guy it feels like he only gets roles where he just gets fucking bullied by by like love interests. He's the guy in succession. You don't watch succession. No way Jose. Gets absolutely demolished by the the the woman in succession. Really? Yeah. Well, I've got another episode to watch I'm like looking forward to it. And also I don't report ready to die. And yeah something happens in it that you accidentally swallow. Yeah, but I don't feel bad football because like you should have known right? I knew it was you were the guy who was literally like your brand as being on top of well. No, that's that's actually the kids job. That's the kids show on top of the teacher. Your job is being off of the show a teacher. How uncomfortable is the scene. I mean all of them were uncomfortable, but when he this is like fucking sad when he's trying to tell her like, hey look like I don't just want yeah. Yes, like that's a uncomfortable conversation to have in like North College consensual relationship a where it's like, I don't like that. Yep. Treating me like a piece of meat right when it's like a seventeen-year-old kid telling her own woman. Like hey, please please like treat me like a person really he's trying to talk to her and she's like, I just want to fuck you and he's like, oh I am very excited to be having sex. But like like if you if you if you if there's a seventeen-year-old boy who's like, you know, you are coming on too strong on wanting to have sex with me. There is something very wrong there. Oh my God, what a just well, what an absolutely chaotic. So here's a question. Do you think that based on us talk about the show people are going to want to watch it or not. I I make a point. I am interested in how much the band shaming there is in the show is heavy shaming of of dudes who who want Iraq. She she's all about disrespecting the band width and and the wedding band. That's such a I don't know. I'm just very fascinated by the choosing of using that device again like from someone who has a musical family dog. To be like they could have chose anything like you could have been like video games. It could have been literally like anything where you're like, oh man. I like I I would understand that this woman being mad at her husband for them. Yeah, but I do think they're like kind of has to work where it's like not a ridiculous thing, right which you just kind of lashing out because she's mad right. I mean, it's right. I mean, hopefully people are viewing it maybe not as angry as I am, but I was saying like hey other than spending roughly $110,000 of their money on the equipment. He's not doing anything wrong like he maybe he's like a like he doesn't seem particularly cool or anything. I mean rocks, that's cool. Yeah, but also like who cares if he even did anything wrong like he had like a few too many beers. It's okay for his wife. Fuck a seven-month-old. Right right under those circumstances is what she's doing even close to oh my God insane, but yeah it is dead. While that that's what the character kind of uses as like the sound good just my fucking husband's playing the Chili Peppers wage. I'll show him. I'm going to fucking like ruin a bunch of people's lives or does it with girlfriends in their girlfriend parents? 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Tomato or Tomatin

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Tomato or Tomatin

"Brought to you almost live from the dude in the basement studios. Why because that's where the good stuff is it sits and smokes with your Smokin Post. The good old boys it's time. Oh yes it's time again. Welcome to this sips episode where everything good and wife is worth discussing as always we are the best thing on it to to to forty five. Am for sure. We are a one hour show unless the government comes in and shut us down. But we're only on from two to forty five hourly good from two to twelve to forty five auto on your best day. Okay on your best day. Maybe two to forty five. This is made man Bob. Joining me today are made man. Brent always a pleasure to be in the basement and made mandatory Good Morning Bob. I'm so glad I wore my well. He's today because it's extra damp down here. It is a little drippy February and Florida and good Oboe Jassam. Good Morning. Bob always good to be in the basement block out that darn light. 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They're both they both just sorta they're both Brown and they both just sort of sit there and they don't move much so it's Kinda hard to keep them separate and they're both they're both they're both full of wicker so I mean one's a little shiny because it's got from Ikea on it at least harm has fresh liquor and the pressure in him from last night so I know we've literally had two to three hundred. People lost two days and using those machines bar owner every standing around drinking. I was good fantastic retired. I have no idea was fighting boyfriend. He's saying it's four thousand dollar shelf. He's yeah he's saying they're in their seventy thousand dollars. I'm mistaken we had three hundred people. They're all staring at it going. Why isn't it on all right about why distilled spirits tea coffee and anything else? You can drink unless of course it's in the animation so yeah and today's show we're going to be discussing whiskies from to mountain from Buffalo Trace and from Heaven Hill. And here's a list of the whiskeys. We're going to be tasting from mountain. We have their twelve year with the twelve Tomato and fourteen year the two Martin dollas and the two Martin Kaste strength and from heaven. Hell we have the Asia Craig Kentucky Straight Rye and from Buffalo Trace. We have the stag Junior Kentucky Straight Bourbon whiskey thirteenth release. So we're GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK MR happy over here to do our sips ratings for us. Thank you Bob. I feel very happy today in the basement. It's been a great day. I'm still a bit drunk from yesterday and can't hear you through the mass picking off mobile. Now I WANNA talk to you about our sips ratings there a radar whiskey and we have the finisher sounds of Bob whatever. Press the buttons at the right time but we started like this one sip. Give me a glass of water to wash out my mouth jump the gun. Maybe jumped the gun. Talk purpose now. It's just like your wife planes timing. No don't need timing. He don't care I'm done. I'm done to sips erase my friend. It's a race it's not a marathon it's a race and guess what I- Hillbilly but it's a spry win every time I didn't have about fourteen race cars on my wife to come in second place all right moving on tips. Nice what else do you have now? Okay Free Sips interesting. What was this again forceps? Let's keep this secret to ourselves. Hit the button forgot the last part. Pour me another another. Hit the button harm memory reading these things. God forbid a short memory. Yeah I don't need another one drinking lots of things with him or short by. Oh my I was unaware anything could taste. God Oh my all right. That was sad all right so we're moving on and we're going to have justin tell us a little bit about to Martin. Okay although illicit distilling had been going on in the area since the seventeen hundreds. Tamang distillery was established back in eighteen ninety seven during the Victorian whiskey. Boom and John McDougall John. Nick Leash Alexander. Allan established the Tomatoes Spe District Limited distillery Ltd the name Tomato Martin re translates to hell of the juniper busch hearkening back to the illegal stills of old juniper. Wood gives off no smoke while burning. So it's long been the favourite of illicit distillers tomato distilleries located in the highlands at a site over a thousand feet above sea level on the eastern edge of the Mondays Mountains. Just south of inverness on the all not firth firth. Firth does breath here. The isolated location provided almost everything. A distillery needed except workers so in construction of the distillery begun. The architect was instructed to build a number of houses to accommodate distillery workers over the years. The number of houses on site began to grow as the distillery itself and they're now thirty houses on site which and continues to offer to its employees. Eighty percent of their employees still live on site. The distillery houses so working at mountain is more than just a job for our employees. It's a way of life in nineteen fifty six the original to stills which incidentally was the same time the automatic machines were working to maintain fifty six which were capable producing one hundred. Twenty thousand proof. Gallons that's pretty much. What drinks on a basis yes? We're joined by another pair only two years later. Another two stills were added in one thousand nine hundred sixty one total still count reached five pairs with another single still joining them in nineteen sixty. Four thousand nine hundred. Seventy four the most significant boost to capacity with a total number of stills reaching twenty three twelve of them were wash stills and eleven spirit stills requiring seven spirit safes with the capacity to produce around twelve million liters of alcohol every year. Just probably what we drink in a year while the vast majority of the whiskey made it to. Martin was sold in bulk to third party. Companies for such use and blends as J. and B. Chivas regal and Johnny Walker. They were also one of the few distillers to offer their. Whiskey as a single malt. Unfortunately it size helped lead to its demise with the whisky bust of the nineteen eighty s forcing the company into liquidation in. Nineteen eighty-four at that time to mountains. Biggest customer was Japan's largest drinks producer. Talk Shuzo Limited. Who purchased the distillery in Nineteen eighty-six forming the tomato distillery company? Ltd the number of stills reduced to twelve and recently was the first distillery in Scotland to install a wood pellet boiler in two thousand twelve. So let's get to tasting our first whiskey at you and that's me twomentwox early GONNA mailing. You're supposed to do this one. Eighty six proof and it's forty three percent alcohol by volume one double Gold Twenty nineteen the San Francisco World Spirits Spirits Championship award. Immersing this expression is aged in a combination of bourbon barrels in Sherry casks. The knows I got some Green Apple Nutmeg and lavender on the palate. Kinda got a milk chocolate. Feel to it oranges and some lemon zest. It was fairly well balanced with a little bit of sweet and bitter and the finish was light. Not Long Harmeet. Would you think I think I need longer view this before we break but to me? What really stuck out at the first lavender. Lots of floral note. Lavender cinnamon nutmeg. Some Green Apple Just just really appealing knows but we need more time to talk about this. We'll be back rolling clouds and crashing sir doesn't do reflecting by the rising going moon see show mesmerizing night breeze hypnotize ing. We've come across. He's back roads none too soon. A wandering we're only passing through. Oh Ben when does my and is yours forever. Sweet and we're backing harmeet was rambling on Koa. So I if the nose is great but frankly the whiskey just talk a little flat. It's it promises more than it gotten for Pellet I disagree I like the powder knows more. Yeah I think it's It's a lovely whiskey. I mean it's not a kick in the teeth it's elegant it's got finesse it's light. It's a beautiful Whiskey. It's an all day seper It's very well made it's You know it's a little bit entry level. Talk about appreciating Algan whiskey. I appreciate elegant whiskey. This one is just a little too light for your coming off. The you're coming off the STAG and your palate burnt down a little bit but I think this was brain. Wow I think the Swiss. He's got a lot going on with it. I think it's just a classic single mall. It's beautifully well made. It's light doesn't last forever on the palate but I really enjoyed it brats budgets when you need to put an ice cube in it and just sit back and relax with. You're not gonNA use this like his mixer really now this is not going to be your your punching the teeth using it for mix for your everyday dram with a very very TV guys for being in the field of flowers or you're just sitting out in the field the flowers and floral notes lovely an and but you know I think other people floor note better. This is just all right to me. It's not a little bit of honey a little bit of sweetness but I taste the flowers on it as well. You know when you're you know but it's Just to let light separate some very very much an entry level. I mean it's a base twelve years and they're not spending. Oh God you know. It's not that kick in the teeth. I kinda liked to kick in the teeth every now and then. But that's my way down on the floor and I'll take care of that for you have west intimate back. That's the best song already. Just had to go there and it's already creepy again. I agree with this is. This is a lovely dream It's you know not the most complex that you're going to have but it again. It's their entry level twelve year. It's got a nice sweetness to it. It's got a nice knows It's pretty well-balanced minutes well-made absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's it's it's it's a nice drink and again if you know if you need an everyday drinker because God knows we can't afford to spend you know a hundred and fifty dollars a bottle for an everyday drinker. I think this is a very approachable. I think again like we've seen and many whiskies. It took a little time to open up. I must admit that when I put it in the glass it was a little closed down a little bit tight and I was a little underwhelmed but I've definitely improved my review allowing thirty forty minutes. I'll give you that. It has improved with time and I didn't putting water in this. It did improve their as have all these on the table? But I don't think the improvement was as much as you guys are talking about the next one that brant going to talk about what we ever view on this one. We're going to give it three six generous generous. Jenner's the bracken weekend measurable son of. Yeah okay moving on. We're going to have breakfast so this next one's the tomato. Fourteen years eighty six proof for forty-three percent. Alcohol BY VOLUME SAYS NON CHILL FILTERED. And it's a natural color the one the double gold in two thousand. Nineteen San Francisco World Spirits competition and the whiskey for this expression was agent a combination of expert and barrels and Tawny Port casks which previously held port for around fifty years. So long time to hold. I've held port for even longer than that at this point my wife. I think that comes out of your urinary tract really does I'm not sure it goes in red but it doesn't come out. Well sometimes it comes. I read but Maury said that's normal. So he's he's doctors. I figure he knows every now and then we just have to kick in a kidney and the color and this is light straw color. It's a very very light When you look at it it's an on the nose I get a gets berries and honey a little bit of almonds. That's what I most again. The nose and on the Palette you get the fruits right off the bat and then a little bit of honey and some some nuttiness to it and then my eyes out then you get like this dryness throughout my mouth Minnesota. That's kind of like that because you squat and there's nothing left more than you think. I WanNa you know so for me. It's it's it's like to dry dry wines or something that reminds me of that. This is right. This is like a dry dry whiskey if there is such a thing in this dry whiskies. Yeah well that's what this is you know finish just as a short short to medium finish and it's just again. This is Something you could sip all day But you're not gonNA use it as a mixer and you know it's pleasant not so it's it's lovely. I mean it's the port comes through but it's not why not. No it's subtle. It's more fruity gravy than whiny I got I've got the honey I've got the toffee and almonds and vanilla in the nose. Yeah that's what Brenton Imagine. I I really. I really love that toffee note. I'm glad you picked up. I mean it's really it's it's it's really nice gun on the nose and on the palate. Hold on yeah. Yeah on the power. And it's all honey and red fruit and And again at that dryness did you get. I don't perceive it as much as dryness as more sort of walnuts and almonds that sort of panic that you get from nuts What a bit of Spice Little Bit Oak Lovely Dram. I really enjoyed it. What did you think jeff so on the nose I got mall? Oak Bonilla in the last note was a on the palate. Grapefruit hit me and then grapefruit and then Some honeys you didn't Duck Zach. I warned you that's true. I won't take that. Sasser was a little bit of honey on it after a while and then it ends in Lemon Peel. The Finnish. Finnish is short. I don't think it's short medium more. What did you agree with him? I was more in agreement with Bob. I thought that the Whiskey was very nice. It to me was a half notch down from the first whiskey. I really prefer the twelve really over the fourteen. I completely disagree. I think this is a much better whiskey in the guy went the other. I thought it was a half an hour job. But pallets vary. That's I just thought it was well made some could be could be your on all the Damn Time. So it's possibly a blind squirrel gets a nut now and that harm so you could actually be right once now. Probably not probably not a nice whiskey. It's it's well made it's again short. Finish light on the pallets lively. It's well-made nothing bad to say about what his wife referred him for his birthday she's going to tell him he was right for once. Ooh I wrote it. Down on the counter. Cross your fingers. I mean eight eight fifteen. Pm on his birthday he's going to be right for once. If harmeet speaks in the forest the nobody hears is he still wrong? Here's the thing if he speaks in a forest and nobody hears them that's why we're all smiling because none of us heard him. I'm just such sad sir. And if you and if you shoot us if you should remind us a silencer I. I don't know these are questions that are left for beyond existential. Beal's just what you think. Mr Happy Better whiskey in the first one. Okay Justin Chase right now got brown. I'm tastes like Whiskey chiming in when you guys are talking. Sound like Shannon Brown Way. Just have a wonderful economy with words and flow syllable with great eagerness see now you're using it there appropriately but usually it's used sarcastically and suppression defecation. Don't mess with me. I have the quicker I told you. I need more picard. We need more cowbell. You've kept Kabale in there. Don't give me a tutor. Yeah hard it is. Get Samuel Jackson quote that I can put on that Radio Platt Society. You have no idea. Moving on the whiskeys wonderful. It's wonderful whiskey and light and Blah Blah Blah. They done done and it's okay whiskey. All right we're GONNA give it three six all right so we're moving on to our next whiskey and we're going to have more you tell us about it. Thank you Bob. The next whiskey is the THA Martin. Dull chess eighty six proof forty forty three percent. Ab It won a gold medal at the two thousand nineteen San Francisco World Spirits Competition. This expression is known as Thomson Legacy in the UK. It has matured in combination of Bourbon barrels and Virgin Oak casks. And we don't have the breakdown that again light pale gold to straw color On the nose. It's got a lot going on. Definitely some shortbread a little bit hint of marshmallow Pineapple Orange Zest. I feel like this shortbread went away with it did what it was. There initially on the palate. It's got an ice creamy mouth. Feel there's definitely a lot going on. Get a little lemon Sherbert. A little bit of apple sponge cake. an a hint of white pepper. He's got a medium to long finish. I like this whiskey. I thought it was a very nice step up. From the previous to Brentwood. You think this one is when it was a step up it The like you said you in on the nose you get. That shortbread vanilla little apples on when I write the on the pal to me the things that shot out right away where the pine the pepper and then the apples in. Oh so the nice medium finish was very pleasant to drink. Put a Nice Cuna glass and SIP this all day. That'd be okay. Oh my God. We're going to get him. Started Drinking Scotch. That's not going to happen. This'll be hounds like at my house. No our slogan is if it's no scholarships crap that's going to be him. I don't know why because there's because there's a rye and Bourbon after these after these. So that's why I was bourbon in it all a little bit of Bourbon in every every urban Travis Scott. Very nice of us to help them out with their whisky. You know live. Somebody's got to do it but they couldn't do it on their own. So so what did you think Jackson so on the nose? I got pineapple and lemon and when it agreeing with you Justin. What's going on here. I what I agree with you. I poured in the glass kind of women. Regular Women Myers Lemon Lemon pledge. Lemon Zest ooh there were at the beginning. There was definitely a chalk. Dust Element to it but as air got into this class. The chalk dust faded on the palate. When I first got it I got big. Pine and white pepper hit those two faded over half hour being in the glass and then I got more the cream outfield and the lemon Sherbert. And the finish I thought was pretty medium. I I like this after thirty forty minutes in the glass I did not like it right off the bat I agree. It's a theme here today. In the bay spent I think all of these whiskies have benefited much more so than usual from air and timing the Glass. Any volved quite. Interestingly I think in humility in the basement that's doing it. Yes humanity shortbread that we I had when we first opened this that that and that that went away and it's all about fruit now. Pineapple does Internet Porno. You're cheating on it just wondering never mind. Those complete non sequitur did what's going on with you. We're all standing at the keyboard. We're having that same thought. Every time we see in Europe and your mouth new said we give this reviewing this. Did you even say anything? Bob said anything. Shut up and drink. I was waiting for you to finish. Are you done? It's hurt hazard that a lot. Are you done are you saying are you? Are you done yet? Yeah now what she's saying is what are you doing? What are you doing here? That's what she's saying. My Wife's from Alabama. She's in sound like Oh. Yeah now. This is lovely and I still get. It's definitely blown off a bit. But the shortbread is still there. I mean when we first opened it was like opening up. Can't Walker shortbread. Oh Yeah for sure and pineapple notes. Lemon and orange and you're with Justin to what is going on. Today is definitely pineapple in there. Yeah Yeah Big Pineapple. So let's it's pretty. Yeah I like the mouth feel when it. Because it's it's it's it's very creamy. It's very mouth coating very rich I do get that Pine Note. I definitely get that But I get the apples and sort of like the melted Lemon Sherbert A little bit of white pepper on the finish. Just a little touch not real spicy but just a little just enough to wake tongue up. Yeah I mean. It's an absolutely lovely whiskey by peppers like from the front to the back. Yeah Yeah it's it's an even the whole thing like I said it's very creamy finish at very creamy mouth feel to it. It coats tongue and the roof and everything. It's it's it's it's a lovely whiskey I I really really enjoyed this. One and We're going to be rating the tomato indulge forceps. We're going to move on to our West whiskey from two Martin We're GONNA farm. Tell us about that one. So this is my favorite to Montana the evening and it's beautiful as to Martin castrate. I'm not a profound like these other. Philistines over here but this one it really assure and yet the higher proof. Stu- amazing how he always likes higher proof stuff. Hugo's the unkempt masses. This is you guys always want the higher pro stuff. I I can appreciate something ninety proof but the fifteen. I've talked to your mother. Non Show filtered natural color matured and I vill expert casts and then X. Larosa Sherry casks the color a pale gold. The nose is honey and ginger. At first it was cake batter all cake but now it's gotten some air it's ginger snaps baggage interesting ginger snap. It's cake batter came back. Give it a little swirl and better comes right back trying to drop water okay. It's one fifteen I know you're not putting because that's not strong enough for you but try drop of water but while cinnamon and ginger and orange and has an apricot. Some dried fruit in there is just. I could smell this all night and evolves in the glass. This one excited me. I mean Tamara has capabilities. That are just beautiful and this is one really showcases that can. I'm going to try to drop a water and see how those changes and it's so oily as I put the water in. You see the swirls coming out on radio you can see very well. Imagine the Soros coming out. The nose cake batter came back and then it goes Orange Peel take better. Orange Peel dried fruit and on the palate. Let's see mouth coating oily Red Fruit Pineapple little vanilla. Coming in some raisins from the oral Alrosa Sherry. Ginger doesn't seem to be coming back as much and the Finnish stays with you. It's medium long. I got some caramel coming out. Got some cocoa on the finish. And it's I mean it's still going right now. This these are my notion earlier. This this whiskey still on my mouth is still tasting. Well I just love this one. This is this is the sweet spot for me today. Brent did you everything I said. Yes actually what does the whiskey? We just hate everything says it really goes on this one promises so much because of that you get that just so fruity on the nose and it promises so much that when after I after I start to taste it I get like the raises but not in a good way and it's just it's for me here you're confused in Brampton. I'm trying to figure out what the bad way for raisins is. What does that goes on the other end like a dried reason. I don't know it's tasted later. It's like that and things. It's it's gotten better when add a little bit of water to it? You get the wise wastewater cocoa on the finishes so gorgeous I get a little bit of the coq one the finish in I mean this is. I think it's well made I laughed. I preferred the other three over this in the corner. Because I mean for me I preferred the other three over this one a from a profound like you. Obviously there's going to be knives co coming out later to another one. Well let's let's get to him when we come back. I'm Stan Jerome. 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Hey we're back and we're talking about some lovely whiskey. Some demartin were currently talking about the tomato cast strength so let's go to adjust and see why he's wrong. Let me just finish putting on some band AIDS because the knives are out. Yeah speaking of BANDAIDS I. Kind of got the medicinal alcohol note on the No God wearing what are you drinking and then under that I got ginger and Orange Peel and I keep revisiting this to see if air will change it. Don't now why are you drinking it. Overused medicine bottle. Is that it some again oak. Some TANNIN's red fruit should take us. Bandaids off your lip. And I'm getting the municipal raisins on the finish yet. Often I get all the different flavors that that are you know the raspberries the things but it just doesn't just doesn't match up for me is all blending together. Well it just is just doesn't make the right blend for me. So now my flavor profile. That's all I thought. This was a lovely whiskey to them. I HAVE TO SAY JANU. Ignorant slop exactly. Well well said Bobby this is lovely this this whiskey. I mean the the shocker. To me was the nose. Didn't match the pallet. The nose was like cake batter and sweet and it went away but it came right back and I really thought that the whiskey was going to be the sweet cloying cake batter nothing. It was nothing like that. I thought that That it was delicious. It's it's Viscosity is beautiful. Wasilla finished show going. I'm still tasting. Yeah this is my favorite of tomato for sure and not just because it's high proof but I think the high proof just adds levels of complexity and just just a lot of sophistication doesn't taste particularly much higher proof drinks like nine drinks like ninety. There's not a huge burn or anything. No there's no burning in fact if if I I'd be hard pressed to say it wasn't the same proof that the only the only thing I can say I'd get a little bit more of the alcohol in the nose a little if you tasted this blind tastes. Iran. You're never gonNA know here honestly never going to know it's just you know. This is a very polarizing Whiskey. And it is yeah. Yeah the ginger snaps. You don't ever did that. Ginger snap on the nose and it's completely different on the power. It's not what you expect. But it's in a good way and just fruit and honey and cocoa That sort of bitter judged cocoa in the Oak Raisins. It's just It's lovely. It's absolutely lovely. Slyke the dress. That's the two different colors argue all day about what color it is but nobody's right and nobody's wrong now that there is a measurable difference. Some is just aren't as good as others. Now there's there's there's a big difference I can kill a man with my bare hands so I'm right. So Yeah Okay. So we're going to be writing this one. The tomato cast strength forceps. Obviously overruled says that's not the first time. Yeah that happens often whenever we're doing Scott. You're you're officially Sean. Yeah all right but this branch we whenever we give him scotch he just sort of sits in the corner and just you know he's just going off show over yet isn't over yet but he's going to be happy now so we have something in his wheelhouse so tell us what we got. Luckily for you were going to tell you about some allies you Craig Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey. The founded in Kentucky by the Shapiro Family in one thousand nine hundred eighty five Heaven Hill distillery as a family owned brand that is well known to our listeners and with a vast production line Heaven Hill also became known as a brand that gives you a great bang for your buck the currently have over one point six million barrels Asian Kentucky in fifty eight warehouses throughout Nelson. Jefferson county's I know we're everywhere in all of them. Are some of them have no fence? I'm just saying just saying Heaven Hill. Distillery was the winner of the two thousand. Nineteen San Francisco World Spirits Competition distillery of the year allies Ukraine. Kentucky Straight Rye. Whiskey is a newest extension of alleged. Craig Product. Line joining the kind of collision Craig's small Batch Bourbon the alleged craig barrel proof and the alleged Craig Eighteen and twenty three year expressions with suggested retail price of 29.99 Elijah. Craig Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey will I launch in limited markets of North Carolina South Carolina Georgia Oregon the basement of Florida January? Twenty twenty. There are the two Ri- brands are Rittenhouse? Ri- which is a fifty one percent rye thirty seven percent corn twelve percent multi barley off at one. Hundred proof yes. Very nice guy which is a fifty one percent rye thirty nine percent corn ten percent multi barley one. Hundred ten proof so this. Here's the Elijah Craig. Kentucky Straight Rye. Ninety four proof. Seventy four percent alcohol by volume nine eight stated this one is fifty one percent. Rye thirty-five percent corn and fourteen percent malted barley. This has got a nice nice dark deep brown carpet copper color dark copper to it. Beautiful looking just what they expect from. Nice Ray Whiskey. Today there's no age. There is no age statement on this one on the on the nose. I get I get some meant. I get some dill a little bit of a little bit of pepper on their on the palate. Beautiful huge mouth. Feel to this. This is a this is gorgeous. I get meant Cocoa Vanilla. What'll tobacco some some dill a little bit of Orange Scott Medium? Finish just pleasant to drink all the way around. We think Maury well I agree with most of what you said. I think it's a very pleasant whiskey. It's very nice. I think it's nice to see another wry expression coming out of Heaven Hill. They do a good job and I do agree. That there whiskey's value priced. You do get a lot for your dollar from them. This particular whiskey. I think is very nice. It's very pleasant. I found it to be a little bit less complex than I'd like it to be. I found it to be a little manos. Is your entry level. Ri- right correct just because you know because of the prices of it's not. It's not that one that you're going to go and make your your mix drink with. I'm not even sure that I'd like to spend a lot of time sipping it. It's just a nice entry level and then move onto something else should warm up I liked it. I thought it was welcomed on his drink with this because of the price right. I mean I wouldn't want a put a really great complex Ryan and mixed either. I think there's lettuce is going to stand up. Depends what you who the standup with ninety. Four proof it should. The proof is there but I thought that the flavor was a little bit one note and may not stand up well or cocktail dinners than sugar and all that say. What kind of cocktails does he make your out of your writing flavor cocktails? Even there's no age statement. I think for it to be straight ride has to be at least two years old right. Yes so it's minimum two years old. I'm guessing five years on our because if it's under you know if it's under four they're going to put age statement on the label anyway. So yeah it's probably five or six would be my guess and guessing five from based on our web flavor profile. We've had some things but go ahead justin so the mash bills fifty one percent rye but to me it tasted a lot. More like a ninety five five that I've had from M. G. P. and GP P. I did get the dill hit and lemon and Cedar notes. Although I'd be surprised eater. There's definitely off Cedar on the nose. I'D BE SURPRISED GANG SOURCE. Then they probably. It's probably their own juice. But it's just really interesting. No it's definitely their own juice. Pouts like M. G. P. but it's probably not so on the pallet. I got a big Ri- hit right off the bat followed by deal and of course there's no salt in this but Kinda got a salty finish at the end. It was pleasant I would definitely make a Sweet and dry vermouth Manhattan out of this. I think it would shine through really nicely in Henan. So half dry Half wet it's like south of Hudson Manhattan which I got from a bar in Sudan. Try and weapon could call so it's. Kinda what he meant. Leaving sweet neutral see does and say oh. You're an idiot. You did it wrong. But that's good. Yeah that's got me back in the hell out of you and then I'm going to give you a compliment. But he pulled out the cedar that was excellent. You can see where his childhood was that the very good you got an a minus but why did not get ABRAS. What's going on here? All as a pluses Baby Med school. P. e. for all classes so p most important class in high school girls and they're running shorts back in the eighties. Yeah yeah shorts. Did you say anything about how I don't Wanna I don't WanNa talk about? I'm talking about the girls in the eighties. The whiskey cocktail. It's Nice Ri- I it did hit me with a Lotta dill and I'm not a fan of those risers all that deal and I don't generally get the that Deal on the on the older. Gp The younger but Dill Cocoa Cherry meant. But the Cedar is what just said. He's absolutely right. I I like older rise with the Orange Peel and clove going on. That's not coming here. But on the Pallet it was pretty rich Nice Again dill some brown sugar and the finish was was medium and I would make a cocktail. Nothing wrong with it. I this is a value priced. Whiskey yeah do it. This is good. I prefer Rittenhouse for in house. Yeah rent houses step up at. This is a nice effort. Bob Honestly Rittenhouse taste damn near the same to me. But yeah we're talking like one or two points on the mash bill between that Rittenhouse. I mean it's all there probably I guarantee probably about the same age really interesting now. I mean it's a lovely Ri- again. It's not you know. Meant to be be but kicker the universe right. It's A. It's a twenty nine dollar Ri- well-made again promise. I like two hundred dollars. Yeah well I I. I like to eat nothing but Kobe beef. But I can't afford it and I'd be dead if I ate it for every meal. So it's it's it's really well made it's got a nice mix got an allies flavor. Profiles got a great knows you get that wrong with that tobacco box you know tobacco and Cedar and and sort of old worn weather. Good bit orange in that Fort that's where I disagree. It's not enough orange. Wanted THAT ORANGE. Peel thing going on nothing. Now enough. That dill overpowers from here but a lovely lovely whiskey. So we're going to be reading. The wisecracked brings us to our last whiskey the day this is from Buffalo Trace Buffet Traces and American family owned company based in Frankfurt Franklin County Kentucky. It's about two blocks from the state capital Stories rich tradition dates back to seventeen seventy three includes such legends as junior George T stagg Albert plant number T lee. The Buffalo Trace. Distillery is a national historic landmark and has also listed on the National Register of historic places. It has one thirty five story. Titles since two thousand from publications such as Whisky magazine. Whisky advocate and wine. Enthusiast magazine It's colonel h Taylor. Four grain was named World Whisky. The air by Jim Murray's Whisky Bible in two thousand eighteen and wave Laura Weller and Thomas Handy says racketeer named second and third finest whiskeys in the world by Jim Murray's Whisky Bible in twenty twenty Trouser eighteen was number one in twenty well two and introduced in two thousand thirteen. Stag junior quickly became a favourite of Whiskey reviewers winning five double gold medals twelve gold medals and a bunch of other trophies accolades at the San Francisco. World's bears competition New York. World spirits competition world whisky awards and others Stag juniors released in batches twice a year. this release should be in retail stores about now as we're recording this With the next release number fourteen coming sometime this summer. So let's get tasting this new release so we've got the stag Junior Kentucky Straight Bourbon whiskey thirteenth release. It's one hundred and twenty eight point. Four proof forty eight point two percent a B v No age statement is Uncut unfiltered. And we've been told that it is around eight years old Bob before you go on and talk about the tasting notes maybe for our listeners. You could clarify what makes tag junior junior and how differs from George T stagg? I can find one and I can afford one. Yep that's true but they're not the same whiskey. It's unfair to rate them as like. Oh this is I think the name the marketing is to get on stag. But it's not it's not a junior version of stat josh. She say oh no no no. It is. And it's High. In the fact that it is an uncut unfiltered CASK STRENGTH. Release WISC much like Tourist Easter egg and it is a larger bolder style of Bourbon. But it's not it's not George T it's tagged junior. It's an entirely different whiskey all ethics location of the warehouses biggest thing. That's where it basically but I think it's also younger this year. The proof is higher on junior the church she stags lowest proof. But it also depends on like you said it's whereas where's it at in the Rick House you know if it's in the upper four you know it's GonNa be through the roof and proved our private vollage crank is supposed to be released. Rick House has been uncondemned but still we've Got Dark Cherries. We've got A little bit of honey on the nose. So we've got on the palate. Got A bunch of I. WanNa Caramel Mocha Cherries? Got a huge mouth. Would you think Brent? This reminds me like vidal chocolate covered. Cherry when you put this your mouth. It's beautiful in the palate us. What chocolate covered. Cherries is what brings to me. So Murray I agree with you Brandt chocolate covered cherries. Nice creamy mouth feel long. Finish just keeps going on and on and on a lot of dark chocolate on the finish Beautiful Whiskey. I like this one a lot. It had Dr Cherries and honey on the nose. I got creamy Mouth Field to thanks Jessica. Pretty good we're gonNA write those finish forceps slow at knee high all the time we have for today. We hope you enjoyed this episode. You can catch oliver episodes where he found this one as well as on terrestrial and satellite radio and online at I tunes Google play. Hurt Radio. Cbs RADIO RADIO DOT COM spotify. Soundcloud stitcher tune in pod. Bean Youtube P. R. X. Pretty much anyplace you can. Listen to a podcast. The easiest way to find this show on your phone is to ask Alexa Siri or Google play. Podcasts obsession smokes. Love your feedback. You can reach US online at Info at subside smokes dot com and our daily tasting notes flow on twitter every day at Smoke and basement daily tasting. Yes and our facebook page is always buzzing with news y'all be able to interact with thousands of other fans on no social media platforms. You also check us out on instagram. At sips doesn't smokes or at made man. Bob Do us a favor and take the time to write this episode. If you're listening to US online so big helped us when we see your feedback as well. WanNa thank our co host for joining us today. Thank you Brent pleasure to be here always love it especially the ending? I love to leave. Yeah you know when you finish when you finish with. Stay junior you know. It's like the mix they stained. Thank you Maury. Thank you Bob. I'm excited about the smell. A huggy said Nips for breakfast man. Thank you Justin. Thank you Bob. I'm still thinking about Brent's happy ending there. You would be thank you. Thank you guys for having me again. I really appreciate it. The whiskey is wonderful. I'm going to go home and bothering my wife now. I just wrote my mouth little lot. Yeah I was a little bit more put off by reminding us that life is too short to drink bad whiskey. It's up and we're done all right. Well Single Ram. This has been a one ten ham production of Simpson's and smokes a program devoted to the appreciation of some of the finer slices of lightning from the dude in the basement studios your host. The good old boys will see all next time.

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Part 2: Johnny D, Jon White

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Part 2: Johnny D, Jon White

"Johnny Good Morning Warning. TV Birds almost you know they played well. They've played well. I essentially I was very happy with how they played They're getting on defense. I can vary played. Well offensively we they were strapped because they had They've they've lost all their offense to punch other than earth and that's pretty obvious. Two two teams are playing and listening to additional running back so never hamstrung. And when you're when you're missing starters things just are are a little bit more rocky. No you have to cut back playbook a little bit. You can't do the things change you'd like to do. They ended up losing In addition they lost a two tackles during the game. One early in one way You know so. They're really banged up on offense and but you know A family member was texting with me during the game and was criticizing Carson Wentz and he's he's been Carson Wentz critic for a long time and I just I finally I said look I can't I can't touch. Let's with you any more just so wrong that you can't kill even you know I can't. I'm not getting old this anymore because you're so wrong it's the discussion you're wet. You're out way out there so If you think about some of the games this year and the drop pass is in critical situations. Could've you could add last night. The mets no sooner had my relatives techniques that went in the final drive at this to open receivers that he threw that beautiful. Pass the end zone that hit. I believe it was out for yes. Angela in the hands not catching he was kind of catch. Yes the kind of catch these guys make make all day long. I watch I watch football all day. Long you know should have been made and it makes take of the of the I guess this tweet certain went around the country The man who raised burning building and they were throwing babies out of the building children out of the Dalton and the guy said we galar. We were catching them. It's one of the funniest yes actually. I don't know did he ever did they ever get him to the game actually was I was actually supposed to come to the next. Yeah it's supposed to come to the jets. Got Him tickets and everything. Yeah so So you know people say well like I love the people who who who comment on you and I or semi Three messages or twitter messages. Or whatever and say you know. Let's all racing show. What do you talk about football? Four four and it's it's not just a racist show. This is more than just the racing show. We're in we're sports fans. We'd like all sports and will you and I happen to share a love for the Eagles and so it it makes our conversations very natural and The things we're talking about our everyone feels that pain when their when their team loses and they understand what we're talking about so you know I do enjoy enjoy hearing from people who say they look forward to our discussions whether we're crying and whining or or cheering and voting. You know it's it's what America does in the fall slash winter especially in the east and and whereas And if you don't believe that try try planning something other than a super bowl party on the final on the first weekend. There you go cam- many people show up so you know same way anyways I I was. I was happy with the way they play. They're they're a little bit behind the eight ball but you know what this. NFL season is so long and so- ruling things change in a hurry. And I you know. They're behind the cowboys behind. Eight ball really as far as catching the cowboys but he goes pop border schedule. They've got Seattle this week. which would be a tough game? But after that they're in good shape and that's not true the cowboys this cowboys have a tougher schedule. So I don't know that they'll go much further and winning the division but you never know you no no well while we're on the topic and and you know we can incorporate sports into this too. It was during. It was during the game in yesterday that I subscribe to the choir and a choir send out the alert that billlion had passed away at eighty one and suffering from Alzheimer's and has beloved a sports columnist as there was in any a major American city. The last forty fifty years and the guy who was really a us a special read He you know he made any topic engaging and really did he confronted. He confronted the Alzheimer's with great courage and Grace and Philadelphia. This morning undoubtedly we just feting billlion. Citywide I have to agree with you. Stevie just you know Bill Murray is my sorry Tim. Murray my favorite sports writer but Bill Lyon I was Familiar sports writer. You know because he wrote about Philadelphia sports for so many years and He was I was such a crisp lighter Not Flowering Very I don't know how else miscavige said. He wasn't flowery he got to the point point and he was checking at humor and he was very personally he. He liked to bring the story to a personal level and and you liked both with his subjects with himself And his his book Deadlines and overtimes overtimes collected writings on sports in life. You know it's just great sports writing and because it's about Philadelphia Sports. It means so much more more to me because I spent you know this. This is my home and And the things he was writing about. I you know I'd suffered through or you know or celebrate within At times you know and his battle with Alzheimer's was unique in that. When he got the diagnosis he decided he was gonNA write about it? And you know the Alzheimer's if you read these columns which you can get him on You can access many of them on inquire DOT COM I mean if you Google built Y and Alzheimer's what whatever now if any if we know if you know anyone or in your family I do who had Alzheimer's It it's such an insidious terrible horrible disease And hearing was you know he talked rb. Jackie wrote about his diagnosis. About hearing your words and about his reaction to I mean I I read you this going in in the winter of twenty thirteen February cold deep the cold both the I sat one of those cramps and stole little examined cubicles goals independent memory center and listen to the man in the white lab coat asking fine. New Alzheimer's was set by inches. I said and you have it. He said I'm pretty sure. The world stopped at that moment and then there was a warning. Sound like a freight train barreling through my blame. I sat there frozen. I remember thinking What a crummy job is guy? Got So me and from this point. This was his first column on Alzheimer's he called it out. He gave it a name and I guess you've had it for three years years before he was finally diagnosed with it. And you know the the columns continued the loss of his wife and being in any Nursing Home finally and and you know he talks about it for thirty. She said four thirty for meals. He said he'll keep better watch out because they come running. He said those those wrinkly those wrinkly time woman said they may look harmless Sharpeville. The only talks about that talks about being nursing home and how that was always present and but they talked about because there was an empty chair table for dinner and he knew I was calling So yes he was a sportswriter but understood that I'm trying to think of the line. Where one of his great wines sports I can't remember exactly what from but I remember it. It's related to him either. Oh he either hits his disciple of has learned is from or he fought is specifically said this who was who is the sidebar. His men he mentored people in Sports is everything and sports. Porch is nothing and that really is true. I mean you know in my light. Exports has been everything Whether it was going out to play when I was this you know a kid in the street. Sports kept me out of trouble. Sports kept me occupied. Sports gave me self-esteem Places introduce me to people a AH expanded my arrive. Let me escape Tough spots sports was everything to me and then later on in life sports again was my light horse race while people don't WanNA argue. Yeah well the gambling games their business industry but it's a sport. It is a sport. And if you don't believe that thoroughbreds are athletes. We've got an you've got some missing parts coming in from Detroit. He's our greatest athletes in the world So sports has. It's always been everything me and yet they are times like you. Now I win for heart procedure on Lindsey last week. I think it was Wednesay the day's Kinda ran together there for a while. Walk and you know before you go. In it was minor. It was not minor thing for them. It was minor but for me not minor you know like I said I'd like to say it's a long way from my heart. It Ain't it is my work so you know When you when you are in that position or family members ill he realized sports? There's nothing like family love at a grandchild. My God not one experience. This has been which you will. You will get to experience in the near future unbelievable And I cannot describe describe it all. The words in my pocket are meaningless. I can't describe the feeling anyway. Those those are important. Sports isn't important but but the rest of the time and sports are everything. So don't lie in Rate Sports writer but person and human you know and you wouldn't think that calling someone human is a great compliment. I I gotTa tell you the word human meaning not just that you're a human being in which we all obviously are but they're here to Maine is really important. It's a good quality to have its Anyway Bill hadn't written for a while obviously but He did a great the job. CHRONICLING HIS BATTLE WITH WITH AL and and You know we're we're role GONNA face these issues and by reading by someone sharing and not just someone but someone you've known you feel like he's known for thirty years you know We feel like you re read this this this person's thoughts every week every you know twice a week or whatever over I feel like you know them. So here's this person sharing his most intimate experiences and hopefully he did it because hopefully it would help other people and helping other the people we need a little more and of sermon sulfur nicely. Exactly exactly I'm GonNa send when a link the there's there's a page the both the enquirer and the pen memory center have have featured with all the comms but I also want Aside from you know his his writing about Alzheimer's Emmer he was he was nominated six times for Pulitzer's sex and So you need to read. You need to read his sports writing and You know he he is yet another the the office top of my head. I'm not gonNA think of them immediately. But there there's a there's a pretty good tradition of mid Westerners coming to major metropolitan areas and they and acerbic communities like like Philadelphia and and being just perfect. Then just having the right tone and if you if you and I started reading him you to literally when I was at probably it was probably maybe it was. The eighty has got to be the early eighties. I I believe I believe that's when he started and you know along with didn't with the rate didn't juror and and you know so many They the acquires had and the Daily News had just a tremendous parade of of top level. You can't it's funny Philadelphia's he's not a place where a guy is gonna come in and fake it. The you'll last about ten minutes. So yeah he build the line Just GonNa be. He's just being lionized appropriately. Today give give you want you know if if you can buy his book. It's really good reading election. Yeah it's not all about Philadelphia. Sports he what about sports to his this a paragraph from a column you wrote in Nineteen Eighty one It's called fat chance and Paradise State Live Paradise Island silence bombers Paradise Island Bahamas to describe Muhammad Ali as merely fat and forty is not totally accurate. He will not after all forty until next month as uh-huh for the way well he tries to camouflage that with Volpi loose-fitting sweatsuits. They must have come off rack of the nearest maternity shop. Eh He is not here. Here's one is actually a couple of air about horse racing. I don't know if you do. I mean it's okay to do this of course by the book we should tell. I'm going to send a link. The the book is called deadlines and over time and It's out of this world. Okay here's a smarty Jones. which background obviously? He was the Philadelphia products. What's he was? He was our horse. He was this city horse and ten thousand people turned out to watch him Gallup one morning at at Philadelphia Park which is now parked So this is the column about Belmont stakes at the top of the stretch. He was in front by four lengths. And you assure the triple crown was his after all. He had never ever allowed another horse to pass him. This fierce and invaluable little tiger but on this day they had pack count all the way around the track jackals nipping at wounded prey pressuring wrestling and pestering. They had impressed from the inside and from the outside they had forced him free wide early and they had never permitted him to settle the comfortable rhythm every breath. Every stride was contested. Still he would hang on wouldn't he. He would run as duck down and he would win anyway. Wouldn't he racing. God wouldn't be this cruel would fifty yards from the finish. The late running bird stone. The thirty six one shot who had hidden in the shadows. The unthinkable he overtook Smarty Jones serves passing with powerful round. Go pinstripes he won the Belmont stakes. He left the splinters of shattered dreams scattered all over Belmont Park Mark. He ruined the Smart Party. I mean that is that's that's perfection perfection perfection and I guess as a writer as someone who's who's written a weekly racing column for the last twenty five years roughly awfully. That's some good writing. That's really good right. And that was that was his his skill as you said six times You're not nominated for those so those kinds of honors unless you have some what okay. What are the kids say? Mad Skill got mad skills. Yeah Yep now I'm glad I'm glad We had the opportunity in such proximity To talk about them and with somebody you know I mean I could reach reach Tim Sullivan from the globe. And I'm sure sure Laden to Irish Tim I mean any any of those if knack were alive I mean anybody at the highest level. He it was one of the one of the guys that that other. You know top sports writers. If you if you if you took a survey you know who do you. Yeah Yeah who who. WHO's writing? And you mentioned Jim. Murray Murray obviously and you had to say what you you going out to California you that was uh. That was fortuitous. Two large degree. I mean you got you got Got Plenty of Jim. Murray sorry I end up dead now go ahead. One of one of my favorite memories in racing people You know ask you. What your forty one of my favorite memories that was wet beyond the years publicity guy at Santa Anita and and I was I was recruited to Pick up Jim Murray. Because he couldn't see was going blind. The pickup Jim Murray and to drive him the meat Lafitte ties for lunch. And so I had lunch with Laffite. kyw and Jim Murray. Because there's around the Santa Senator. What around the big cap and Zimmer was writing a column about the big gotten from the La Times and for me as a young some fan you know okay? I was starting to work but I I was in love to be sitting there with my favorite sports writers since since high school and married syndicated so I got the rhythm once in a while in Philly tapers and then when I got California you know twice twice a week or three times a week. Whatever it was So there I was with my favorite sports writer and one of the greatest jockey of all time. And one of the classiest guys around and here I was this kid you know especially out of college I couldn't believe my good fortune. Of course after a drop your Mary off I was an unfamiliar area and I ended up being in the wrong way and one of those diamond lane things getting on the freeway and I got a ticket but yes yes. That's that's one of my great one of my favorite memories. I was probably nineteen. Eighty one Yeah I was I was. I was a colgate and one of the great pleasures for those that. There's is a certain group of people listening. That'll that'll will not understand this at all. One of the great pleasures was the library and one of the reasons. I wasn't a great student. A colgate aside from the you know the extracurricular activities I was involved in the colgate Maroon and the radio broadcasting testing. And all that and the decals you'd go to the library and by the periodical section of the periodical room. There's newspapers from across the country and growing up like basically in Hartford outside of Hartford. You'd get you know the current the current had had had be Smith very good but but certain syndicated columnists like you're referring and Murray course one of them but you'd also occasionally get wind of you know other you you'd come across other sports writers from around the country and I just can remember getting to college and being even though I could go to a library certainly as a kid at Manchester every day but would you go to go to the library and be able to read local papers from around the country and you end up. You know having the opportunity to read read people that were up and coming Lupu as it happens I was writing for the daily dispatch Lucas from Oneida and so there was Luca. POLKA was early on in his in his career. But you come across all different writers and I can just remember particularly Johny and the the Eagles Championship season in eighty. One of my favorite things was the Monday. Paper would probably probably arrived Wednesday at colgate. And you know being in the library you know to read the enquirer sports section and read all the coverage. Because you just you know it. It's forty years ago but it feels like it was a hundred might as well have been one hundred years ago Because you couldn't you couldn't do what you do now. I mean where where you're you can read every newspaper in the country you know on a daily basis. It was a big deal all and being able to read lion and didn't jer and you know all the coverage in all those secondary stories of you know in the breakdowns and everything. The thing I mean that was I've got in fact I've got A. I've got a scrapbook of the nineteen eighty of the season. I assembled of of clippings great sports writing. I really do. Yeah well every year and you you know you you get those books You know those compiled the best. The Best of the year sports add grew up with that as well. And you know a lot of those guys you got to remember the punt passing Kick Library. Did you get those books. I don't remember their little. Their little. This is in the sixties and early Seventies. And when I was the ten to fourteen there was a series of books. I have them I. I rescued them out of our house. And it's like great quarterbacks of the NFL great running backs of the NFL. Great and yes I do remember. Maputo's yeah the right there like seven inches by five inches little hardcovers and and those you know those books were invariably you know the the chapters were invariably written by sportswriters and that was another way you got fill them with pictures by ZANDER Hollander. Every every every sport I I every sports photograph we ever saw as a kid zander. Hollander took and they were all grady. Remember they were there they they all had a certain Sepia tone to the great call. You as you know. It's funny 'cause this weekend. I was kind of recovering from from the procedure. And I I said well I didn't I didn't I didn't watch a lot of racing. Didn't play a lot This weekend and getting getting tired you know. Just a wasn't able to concentrate trait and not that it makes much difference whether on calcite or not but it was making it difficult and so I thought to myself well. Gee I'M GONNA BE I'M GONNA BE UNPREPARED FOR Steve Show on Monday not GonNa have of anything to talk about Civil probably talk about eagles a little bit but didn't didn't follow much racing this weekend so I'll be unprepared command. I said well that's not unlike. Most of the regular wasn't worried at all. Jeff Jeff. Well you got you got you also got me very advantageous. I think we're both I. It's an advantageous ages moment. The I got this birthday coming up this week and so I'm you know. I'm in the reflective. You got me in a reflective boot anyway. Yeah well I'll tell you it's someone who has moved out of reflective mood someone someone cash and this just shows you know you often talk about you try and give Get up a message to all raise. A lot of different racetracks racetrack's Remington Park for sample someone at expressed bet and expressed my player scored on a pick six at Remington Park. This weekend this week. twenty cents right the returns. Seventy one thousand almost seventy two thousand dollars and the tech. It costs the total bet. One hundred thirty four forty so it can happen. Here's the Akwa Dog. Six Five on the sixteen. What was that Friday Saturday? Fifty Cent Wager Obviously Asleep one hundred and twenty dollars total bet twenty seven thousand We had a couple of those one ticket was a was a five hundred twenty five dollars ticket. Well we had a one twenty and five twenty five and then we had a a Remington pick. Four Fifty cent tickets for you hundred and fifteen dollars. Nineteen thousand almost almost twenty thousand dollars. So Ah I mean I imagine these things because I find them interesting. I liked to see when small wagers fast big or relatively small wagers look. I'm not going to get a kid myself. One hundred thirty four dollars for a picture that fits that's a stat but I mean it's a good step from for regular player. We don't have that kind of money to throw around one hundred twenty dollars for a six five. I'M NOT GONNA act like it's a drop in the bucket but it's it's not outlandish outlandish to to bring home that Kinda cash so it's just like the mention those when they come up there was a was was it a twelve horse Partly she an appropriate twelve team Parlay card That that we that we saw on twitter and they've hit eleven the twelve and they were down to the last game and was the game last night The he was The the raiders. Yesterday afternoon the Rangers Mine is ten and a half so it was twenty dollar twelve teams Parlay Card College and pro. And they're going to win. We're going to get back. Fifty thousand dollars and the raiders. Like you know it's like it was a horrible beat it was like the worst. Be you're they had the ball on the I can go on the one yard line. They need a touchdown. And then Richie Incognito Incognito messes messes up and and they don't they don't end up scoring and and that's the end of the end of the wager so that's a tough way to go and then and then someone mentioned well. Here's the rundown false start one one yard run and then complete pass a one yard run twenty yard field goal seventeen ten and the final points of the game. They went eleven for twelve and now someone said well. You know you're supposed to save. You're supposed to come away with some money from the effort and and you know what that's great advice and I haven't studied it but but I've been in this position before. Here's the problem. The person played a twenty dollars to twelve. Right it's it's not like it's not just mack unlimited supply of money. So if you're trying to save on fifty desalvo first of all you're limited by how much you can get your in your town. How much can you wager then on the other team? You know you let your cat count limits if you're doing it online or at book wherever you're count limits are going to be small then then how much cash can get your hands on. The you know the middle of the four o'clock game you've got to come up with this money before the four o'clock gang starr between between knowing that you won the early games and sometimes there's just a few minutes so you've got to have your hands on of cash. Now question is where are you going to get all that cash down. You can't just walk into a book and say you know here's ten grand now if you live in Vegas different story but if you're you know somewhere else it's hard so yeah you're supposed to save yes you can head you bet. Yes on paper but in real life you can't do any of those things Cases where just to give you a horse race example. I've had occasions where you're alive to you. Know five or six horses in in a pick five or six for You Know Twenty thirty thousand and a couple of them are paying more and you're thinking well on a save leave but there's only so much you can deposit in your account unlimited you know you can't deposit twenty thousand dollars since they're not accepting deposit. Thank cost you know so of paper Yes. It looks a lot easier than it is Bottomline feel terrible for that person. I saw I I I guess it was. That must've been that play that I saw that talked about the procedure call. Yeah well I'll tell you it if we want to we if we do want to spend a couple of minutes talking about horses is it to the top of the hour the series how about the series of prices at Churchill. You've had in the last four days Friday. You had a sequence that that produced pick five carryover into Saturday then then you had a you know no. It's a tricky sequence that they close to four thousand and then yesterday another series of of impossible prices prices and going into going into Wednesday. In fact. I've got it here because I already printed the PP's out We've got one hundred twenty thousand thousand dollar pick five carryover on Wednesday Churchill with a sequence of twelve by ten by eight by twelve ten and there's also a high five five carryover if you're if you like high-fives eleven thousand dollar carryover in the in the nightcap on Wednesday but obviously one hundred and twenty thousand dollars pick five on Wednesday Ahah Churchill is going to get a lot of focus and You know we could also Tony Tony. We could also I just got a text from my partner. Tony Johnny. We also talk about what happened in the stomach. Five on on Friday where it ended up being an eleven thousand thousand dollar. Pay Off and I I want to thank Brian. NATO for the handicapping we did. Brian was right. The weather weather moved in at Miami Gardens and ended up taking the turf races off at the GP. W There was there was that twenty dollars horse at Laurel and the cue. That sort of you know made things tricky rickie but Nice Pretty Nice wide eleven thousand two hundred ninety one dollars thirty seven winners on Friday so the pick five carryover concept really is an opportunity that you have to. You GotTa look at funny. You should say that I I told you I didn't do much anti capitalist weekend or played one place that I did make is I dove into that Late pick five Churchill on Saturday because it was a good opportunity in You know you get these carryovers in the pick like five and for fifty cents you can play the game with with fight money and maybe walking in and and score. I didn't An I'm pretty sure a handicapped caffeine was not at its best but I don't get shot and I I I was a little indisposed on Friday. I couldn't I couldn't have jumped up for that but We we had four players. I express that Nail the strong five and the tickets were from Su fifty two to five seventy six and Levin thousands the one thousand dollars payoff met as you mentioned so Excuse me these carriers Don't seem to be getting ready to give those away I would think right. I mean the close of the ones that the meat closer soon or yeah. Yeah so they the about not ready to give it away. And they're bob around nine hundred thousand but anyway these pick five carryovers You really have to almost half the play. Take a shot And and by the way I just want to say this to While I was a little bit knocked knocked out this week I was able to look you know I wanted to play. I just couldn't couldn't get there But I have been so impressed impressed with the quality of racing the field side and I it's just been good racing the turf academic we. Fortunately we've had a you know dry weather least and They've been able to run on the surface. been it's been been good raising Churchill's been awesome and Now del Mar.. We'll get into. They're a a big part of their season. which is professional they had so i? Yeah I've really been impressed with with the racing this this fall You know at the end of kind of the end of Saratoga del Mar you kinda take a breath and You know go back to Belmont and Kinda just get kids are back to school or whatever you've got gone in your life kind of re revamps you get home to stop your summer. Whatever you're doing in the summer you kind of get back to back in this in the in the strategy do things and then the Breeders Cup comes and hits you pretty quickly after that and I always Kinda Vision Breeders Cup at the end of the season? But it's not and I have to stop thinking that way because we've got some more racing less than it's been it's been really good racing very much. Football starts and that and that not a lot of people off striking bit him. If you're if sure sports better got college and Pro Football you've got college basketball is now rolling you know. There are other distractions but has been phenomenal. And it's I mean I I don't have to go back and look at at some charts from from last November but I just do not not recall that we had this outlandish amount of a big feels. Dell's not and you know you mentioned the quality johnny it. It isn't as if these are. You know these are fields of of sixty two five non winners A to lifetime. I mean the there's open up that Churchill Card and the last six races our maiden special weights and allowances and in New York. The fifth through the ninth is is is the same thing maiden specials specials and allowances state bread allowances and then typically a maiden maiden forty state breads has been the NIGHTCAP. You know for the most part and including including including Minnie mouse when he wants them. So I got no complaints but Del Mar too. I mean th th as much trouble as as they're in in terms of horse population. They're doing the best they can. I think some people are interpreting this cancelation for Thursday. As as you know as much an opportunity to you know make sure you have a nice Friday Saturday Sunday Sunday. The Senate races by scuttling the Thursday card but apparently the apparently the weather is going to roll in there Tuesday Wednesday Thursday. So they're being you know the the the most familiar term lately is abundance of caution that that's the that's the new watchword watchword it's been good on so many levels no and as a horse player You're grateful because you know. How many times do you be purchased the racing for you get you know? Do you get your sheets. You get whatever you need your and you do all the work and then what alone they come off the turf but how. `Bout they cancel. Yeah he's done all the work you spent the money and they cancelled. Look it's better for everybody. Just cancel if you know the only thing is you only fly in the ointment is. You're relying on the weather man. It's like trying to pick winners spread you know. Yeah but I can also say this having lived in California Southern California for thirty years so storms. They see them coming. And it's not like these. It's it's not like living in the east where sometimes it pushes a little bit away. Usually goes storms are so huge that they just they just swallow California and at the Big Swan. That's a big Gulp. Well we we used to live now to we've got to we've got the Thanksgiving's late Thanksgiving is this is the twenty eighth which is as late. I believe as it ever can possibly get. Yeah Thursday again. I noticed that Go because Nova whenever whenever November starts on a Friday you get this you you get the late Thanksgiving So we still have got. They have got another full week before we even you know even really get to some of the big cards and in New York. They've pushed that Cigar Mile Day back to the eighth and I'm going to be outed Los Al which I'm now starting to get really excited about Baffert And and others and and Blaine right is running and no door. We just heard him. Confirm that so The starlet is always good. So if you turdy. Eighty starlet day at at low sow and still plenty to look forward to will be on the on. The scene is right yes I will be there. I've come to love that. I've come come to really enjoy that. The trip down to Cyprus track yet is YEP it helped out a great deal on the phone in California Calendar when things got tough will meet us. was there now and you know what else is there. Johnny the Cappella Degli Wonka loved the Catella. Johnny glad you're feeling okay and I appreciated everything you I called it a meandering today Just on twitter just now so I appreciate I appreciate are are are ECLECTIC Tour Four. Yeah well in a few days somebody asked me. When will you be back to normal? I I never was that that that'd be to start to start on the front end I love it. Well feel better and Exciting I love those cutback That was one race they did look at. I thought she ran great. She is Game Dick Tracy as they say and she just she. She does one speed that that philly she she just wants to go There was a comment over the summer. And I I don't even even I don't even think of Mike. Welsh realized you know it was. It was our horse but there was a comment. I saved it actually. Actually on my computer he said this Philly only knows one way to go got to admire the plock something like that. You know that. Yes she just. She doesn't. She's not obviously not a run off because she's actually slow into stride. You can't you can't really demand that she go early. She breaks okay but then she wants to settle. She doesn't she. You're not gonNA rush her into contention and then when she when she knows that the the Q. is coming she will engage and I thought Benji spending your Nandes. I wasn't happy happy with how we wrote kid chocolate last week but He writes he writes Carlisle. Bell the terrific. He's got a lot of confidence in her and she wasn't wasn't GonNa get through the winter but nothing wrong with second in a in a an allowance race. Those are pretty nice interest. That's for sure we'll take a break guy. John White coming and more stay with us our three at the races at the races. WHO's with Steve Bishop on Sirius? XM radio what's going on. Mike and I'm GonNa tell you about an offer for my good friends at express. Let's be honest. We know you love playing the racist but you can't always make it to the track. Sometimes life just gets in the way of a good bet. What if I told you about a place where you're never miss it and you start with house money it's am crazy right now? Not Expect your first one hundred and twenty five bucks are on on them. SIGN UP AND EXPRESS DOT COM. Who's in Promo Code? BIC THAT'S B. Y. K.. 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Part 2: John Servis, Jon White, Derrick Lawson

"John Service joins US congratulations. John Thank you. Thank you very much and I think that was a fair way to to present it right. I mean I mean this was there were four horses specifically in that group. You know that looked like wind candidates but for him to win the way he did That I thought was a little bit surprising that that he was pretty much dominated. I thought it was a very tough race You know especially drawing the one on top of it you know you have to force his hands a little bit He was going the race. You know great. And he's always always showed a lot of talent so we were very comfortable going in Could I expect that effort. Not Not really giving episode a bit of a bit of a primer as the what has transpired he has been certainly experienced. He ran five. Times is a two year old. He ended the year with a with a dominant effort. Actually in the parks juvenile. That was one thing you know. The comeback like this and make a forward move in three year old debut Pretty impressive you talk about the winter off. Well you know go back to his earlier races he he was very immature You throw out that turf race and he really. He should be defeated. I mean his second race Jason he he got into a lot of traffic problems ended up dropping way out of it and came running again just beating the photo In the sapling appaling first time going to terms. He made a middle move just luke horses and opened up at the top of the stretch and then Trevor said he just pulled himself up started waiting on the worst so we decided to put the Lakers on him and see if we can you know make him focus a little better and that was the parks race in that it Was the first time blinkers and he's done nothing wrong since then after the parks race It was just a decision on Mr Acting at myself part. Just it'll give them a little bit of freshener and getting ready for a three year. Old Camping well How has he changed? let's see. He's had basically November December. Pretty much had ninety days off because he was he was training at Palmettos he was recording. Works spied by Christmas Eve. He had thirty days where he often. But throughout and around penned every day. And just be a horse and then and We started him up right after thirty days and and he really didn't miss much at all. He kinda bounced back pretty quick his his first work back which was just a nice. It is easy breezy work really good and gout that great so we were surprised at the blue spots. We're right on track. I Ah let's actually get back to right at the beginning. Because this is that they viewed in June and that was one of those four and a half furlong races at parks and for those that haven't really noticed the theme. There are a whole bunch of good three year olds floating around That that started their careers at parks. And he's one of them and from there. You mentioned the Laurel Race you stretch into a mile in the sapling and Iran Iran Iran well ended up beating less than a length. That was an adventurous race. You tried the Laurel futurity on turf. He was one hundred forty thousand thousand at April talk about the origins here. Well the the way I understand it is. He was part Lord of Syndicate Group. That very is minute put together for pin hooking and Chuck was part of that group misters. Acne was part of that group and he had come down with his son to spend a little time in Florida and watch the horses trained. Just get Laura nor for himself and they when they drove back they stopped in Ocala for a couple of days and they just happen to be very heisman today. This co worker at the farm and very impress waiting as well as chuck and I think Barry mentioned the chop you know this is a pretty nice cold. He he's probably going to bring some serious money but if he doesn't you know don't let him go very cheap. And so trump was owning the end up finding math from the syndicate about that and One hundred and forty under gavel and intimate out of the spikes town mayor white pants night and bred by Winstar and from your early impressions of him. Because it's interesting that you tried him in the sapling to turns it at Monmouth. And of course the Laura Futurity a mile sixteen found the turf. But we're hearing from what you said to Mike Welsh that you really feel that but this is a horse that you WANNA keep around one turn for at least for now. I think we're GONNA. He's not a very big horse and his pedigree got spikes down on the bottom which partner Torius for being very quick horses Not Too many stretch out very far. You're so that's a little concerning and you know in the sapling he got. Beat if you listen to trevor. After the race he should've never lost. Franck got lost. Pull yourself up so I think we're GONNA take baby steps into it. I think we're GONNA probably from back in the Gospel which is a one term mile and then if he runs real good in there then then we'll come back with one of the Derby preps maybe going to all right so you and I saw the Gotham a floated as as a as a next step and I I just sense that in fact I think it was in conversation I think when we were talking to the Steve Haskins on Thursday we were going through the field and I. I think the the suggestion was that this felt like a horse. That would would have to really prove himself. Go and go into turns down the road exactly exactly and and and you know he's got the mind for I mean he he's just push button and that's what makes him such a good horse. He's he's so clancy and he'll just he just cruises along wait for you to call on him and and you can turn on and turn him off to touch. I mean just just by moving your hands off. He's mentioned that two or three times so you know if he runs real good to the Gaza. Then we're GONNA probably give him a shot to yeah well and why wouldn't you. It's that time of year and there's plenty of opportunities to to you. Know to refocus For her for the Allen Jerkins. If it doesn't work out love I love it well. And then of course you mentioned mentioned Chuck's acting and a partner didn't hear his. LC Mr Green. Isn't it. Dan Bennett Glenn Bennett Okay. Chucker partners quite a few horses. Well because yeah because I see I I see different I see all different versions of the Elsie. There's elsie racing. There's Elsie LLC. There's all kinds of. There's there's all kinds of versions song. Okay good all right. That's the I wasn't sure Nice you the Greens agreements with DJ stable. And they're actually. They're actually partnered partner with chuck and Glenn Bennett also on a few horse. Yeah that's and that's why that's why my initial thought I thought that that might have been a version. And because I because I think I think Mr Green's initials are L. C.. So that's why I've I've always thought that elsie racing versus what he did with with uh-huh with DJ which might be with With the Sun I wasn't sure if it was if it was just a version of I think what I think. WHAT GETS CONFUSING Steve? If is when when you have the three because the Greens run under. Dj Stable LLC they. Jay Elsie racing. Exactly exactly that all they all run together Well certainly certainly was impressed with with this performance at any just was drawing off from this group and There was plenty there was plenty of of you. Know speed in here and I I was impressed. I think everybody was and we'll look forward. You know look forward to the Gotham. Bring us up to speed on some other. Some other things going on you ran in New York as well in the Santa with fifty shades of green gene and Ran into a buzzsaw the the winner that race is clearly something something potentially a special. Yeah yes he was. He was very impressive winning I fought my philly ran crate. She's a Philly. That's still learning how to run. You know she was coming off a four-month layoff go mile and they And Kendrick love the fact that you know. She battled hearts for second at the end of the race. So I think she's GONNA improve a lot off of this race and she's going to be a really nice phillies you know she's again. She hooked into a buzzsaw and You know obviously that's silly of monsters. It's very talented but I very happy with my feelings. She came out of the race. Great so we're looking for an exciting future with our well and fifty shades of green And and that happens to be That that's actually a cute name because because it's a lend green and Sean Shay that are that are partnered up. Yeah Yeah Nice Spin on the name. They're very very cute. And this one two hundred thousand dollars Keeneland yearling and the worst that we're talking about in the sand from Sunday didn't get a chance to mention yesterday Harvey's a little goyal and she was terrific and bill not between Lake Avenue and Harvey's little It looks like he's got two of the better three year year old phillies That are campaigning. And Harvey's will go from the late Harvey Clark and boy. He would sure joy being around to see to see what might be one of his one of the nicest horses that he's produced. Let's go back to Florida for a minute and and the catch up on what's coming up and tell us about that Coming up on what is that. Is that Thursday today that that citizens okay. That's in Philly actually today. gotcha Yup Yup Yup insecurities a first timer That is actually named after Kim Pratt. Who's WHO's a good friend of all of us can Kim's excited to see him run and I and I think it's a little short for him but he's he's been he's been ready for a race for a while we just haven't found the right spot so against PA breads? How can kill fit fine Pennsylvania Brad race and he's race day and there's A? There's a little bit of a good buzz about the race days. I hope so I mean like I say he's trained. Well I think it's a little short for him but they were expecting a good effort from me. Well and let's catch up about what's going on so far this winter elsewhere around the barn. Well I have I have a couple I have a couple nice really nice three year. Old Breads One for Mrs Chapman who is by Smarty Jones and his name is dreams news on told his next start will be in. The miracle would laurel next Saturday but He's a Colt. Shown a lot of promise early on and Got beat as I start with. I was actually very surprised. He got beaten because the acts like he's a pretty nice source and He had the one home just ran a little green ended up finishing third But he bounced out of that race and came back his next start and won by fourteen and ran eight buyer. So He's definitely got talent Mary. Nice And Bob just looking just looking now actually and excite That that'd be that'd be tremendous her for Mrs Chapman and certainly people love seeing the blue jacket Out there and I'm excited to hear this for her. Yeah she's she's really excited she's the last couple years a little slow for and she actually has to another three year old filly with my son Cuyler that the that she she was second or first time out and came back in one or next to and She won her last night. She went off a four lane a four month layoff. So she's going to run. I think she was the same day as the miracle. Would in the PHILLY steak down there. So so it'd be exciting day for Mrs Chapman. And that's great One of the one of the sweetest people around the game and you know we. We haven't talked Going going back to earlier last year and I certainly got to talk about what is going on with mainline and someday Jones Speaking of Mrs Chapman and Will Schwartz and his partner He has been so dependable and so consistent and just so impressed with the way he just you know you try them out and he performs he has been such a nice source for those guys. You know yet Dr Brockie and will and and Charles Asensio from Alexandria stable you know. He's he's one of those horses that you knew from day. One he could run. And just you'd get two or three races out of him and then something would pop up and you know he's been through you know he's just a warrior I mean. We took a chip out of his name In cracked the Hawk one year. We had two screws in it and subsequently I think he's seven now and he's he's only run maybe twenty times twenty five times but he. He's better right now than he's ever been and he he's just he's training lights out and the he actually gonNA run on that same day on the fifteenth law in the John Campbell so again it'll be Mrs Chat Mancado today. I hope that's tremendous well and and I I have to ask because a daycare go by here without a Philadelphia Eagle Reference And when are we GONNA see double joint combat for that second start. I think you'll see her coming back onto turns You know she didn't break good at all but she wants to go farther anyway just in the wintertime. It's tough getting getting along racist to go especially in parks so We're hoping to get back into terms if we don't then we'll probably sprinter. She came out of the race. I would expect you see her back within the next couple of weeks I love it and you got another philly that I imagine we're going to see fairly fairly soon. Grudge that New York bread. We actually sold her. Did you really yeah. She went through the Ocala sale and she was sold Last month well actually a a couple of weeks ago but Yeah just you know is a partnership and I think they were looking to dissolve the partnership and they just stopped. He does take time to do it. So we put her sale and And she sold well she did all right then. I'll shift gears to affiliated that's still. I think it's still in the barn and this is also the Greens. Zara are or Hara depending on on what she's named after the Constitution Philly that you're in in the demos outlet last year. Yes she she actually ran yesterday And I I was very disappointed. I mean she was off three to five. She went into the race like at three to five shot and to be quite honest. Honest with you I I I she galloped in there and she got the finished third and Not Real sure why she seemed to come out of the race. Sorry You know just just she trained like she's a whole lot better worse than that so the only the only thing maybe in the back of my mind she. Her two best races have been the slop so she might. Have you know she might be looking for a little different racetrack maybe turf. I'm not sure but she trains you better than she ran yesterday. I can tell you that I was really disappointed with that after I was curious because You know the the steak stake phillies to your old and kind of expected As as I can tell you did expected more let me ask you about one more that Waiting to make a three year old debut and another Pennsylvania Bread precious that Ran In the in that Blue Blue Mountain and one the Blue Mountain the big card at At Ten national the FAW Fabulous Strike Day Yes she. She's been on the farm. We actually after do that race We thought you know let. Let's let's give her a little freshening. Now's the perfect time to do it. We have some racist coming up next year that she'll be very salty in And eventually she basically she's going to have to go back in the open company. She's a nice philly and she's GonNa come back. She actually comes back into at a bar next week so she got a little fresh drop a little bit and looking forward to her three-year-old camping excellent. Well clearly plenty to look forward to as The the year you know into the second month already and you got you got plenty of them that you left up north and the the big ones down in Florida as well John. Congratulations Mischievous Mischievous Alex. And the role obviously going to be talking soon. Aw Healthca Steve Thank you for having me not at all John Service. Everybody and Very excited to hear that Mrs Chapman has got Got Herself some nice sources She just loves it and boy. That's Smarty Jones Day at Philadelphia last year. Just a just a magical beaming Pat Chapman. I got to know her a little bit as well. Thanks to the horses that we campaigned. Chuck Simon and I and that she you know she. Bread and case is clay we put together and we hit with a red board King and whenever you hear me talk about Lloyd Dobler Nobler. That was uh that was the the one that we really really wish that he was cut out to be a nice source so excited for patch APP excited to have John White sitting across from me. Good Morning Good Morning Steve. How're you doing doing good? How about you excellent excellent? I'm going to send it out to the ninety ninety minute break. We'll come back. We'll talk to John Ninety Minute Ninety six minutes there you go and We'll come back. We'll talk to John. We got baffert down there to grab grab him as well Richard Mandella later and I don't see sheriffs sheriffs these lying low. He is but usually usually he comes up. And I've seen two or three resources work already this morning. Usually he comes right up here and walks by me and checks in so we got to. We've got to try to scare Gareth. John Sheriff's before we before we get Outta here back after this. We're at clockers corner. Finally in our perch up here the broadcast stanchion and and We're back with John. 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Congratulations thank you very much the total here from Mandela later her about united. And the you've sent me the a fun note that included everybody yesterday that not only does Flavian get memorialize. The as the wooden the writer for the three thousand th win of Baffert but Mandela's two thousand. Yeah it was very interesting that I because I really didn't know that Bob was going after is three thousand victory with and then when thousand thousand words one and and Frank Mary Maria announced that it was baffled. Three thousand one. I started thinking well. That's pretty cool. We've been there for two for Mandolin. Three Baffert so those are two good milestones and hopefully one of those two will give us our one thousand win in a couple of hundred wins from now Certainly piling them up and everything that that he you know he rides. I think people just acknowledging the players Derek when he's getting on horses for the first first time particularly He is one of these. Guys that elevates elevates a horse. There's no there's no arguing that well I have to give Britney earn from ATV G. and NBC credit for that she was the one who coined a couple years later. First Time Pratt is a is a very good betting angle so I give her all the credit for that and I would say anytime Pratt okay. Well we'll we'll take that as well last year of of course One of the one of the demos celebrated moment of the year the Derby Q.. And you front the center waiting like everyone else with Flavian For the decision and The the video and the photographs are are pretty remarkable. And you know here. You are kind of shopping for this year's Derby horse and you'll you'll I I. I know you you learn from the experience but it doesn't necessarily guarantee anything year to year. Do you realize that when you really think about it that had to be the most. Those consequential claim of foul. Maybe in the history of racing honestly without his imprint doesn't claim fell right and it was just He told me afterwards that if he hadn't done it that he and walked back to the jocks room he probably would have regretted at the rest of his life so he didn't you know he wanted to Stewart's to take a look at it. That's all he cared about was wanting to Stewart's to take a look at it and Sure enough they did and it was for thirty minutes. We stood there He and I we were talking talking to each other. We weren't we. Were just looking at the board and then as it got longer and longer I started thinking to myself man. This is if they are going to make a change they're looking at where to place Place maximum security but it was it was crazy. It was just an unbelievable moment and I have a guy around here who every time he sees. You just won the Kentucky uh-huh joke around with all the time but It was just it was it was actually very surreal. How everything came about? And and it's it's we're I guess. We're down in racing racing history and the annals of racing in the Kentucky Derby so no doubt about it but but the the real truth is says that we have to try and win the race outright. So that's what we're trying to do this year and with a storm the court and thousand words right now. We've got a good one two combination the storm the court will race on Sunday. Sunday and I think he's trained really well coming into the race I'll be honest with you. I kept pushing rushing Peter into follow the Steve Haskins Bible of coming back as a three year old and running seven eighths of a mile and he kind of heat and hot about it he was was thinking about maybe going to oaklawn for the south west and stuff like that and I said look at your already. The number one rider as far as points earned with twenty three. You don't need a points race right now. You need a race to get yourself going back into the three year old campaign. This is a perfect race and every great trainer from a uh-huh Ben Jones do it. I don't know who knows but we knew that Berrara did it and Allows Moreira and Charlie Wittingham and all the greats used that seven seven eighths of a mile and even baffert as a stepping stone to getting a horse. Ready for the For the Kentucky Derby so pete went along with it. he He agreed agreed with me that he didn't need the points and I told him you've you've earned one point seven million dollars on a sixty thousand dollar purchase guys are way out on this horse. So let's let's go ahead and see what what we've got there and go from there well and one nice thing about about the way this unfolded he. Eighteen thousand words are on on different tracks. I mean in essentially between timing week apart racing and distance and what baffled do next excellent what what will do coming out of out of Sunday so you get to you you know. Keep riding both of them as they go forward exactly and that's That's that's a Flavian and I. We were just talking about now because we ended up getting on country house two weeks before the Derby there were three horses left in the field of twenty and finally he got so exasperated about what I did take off Omaha beach but he said just go ahead and pick out whoever you want so I said okay thanks I appreciate shape and then turns out we had up We ended up getting Getting the victory through disqualification but it was just A. It's just been last year. It was a great year for both of us We went over nineteen million which is all time high for For both love Yonder myself a win the Kentucky Derby and the Queen's Blade Kentucky Derby Queens Played the Pacific classic the the Breeders Cup Juvenile. So I think he won four of five one million dollar plus races last year. So that's that's That's considered a good year for absolutely especially with the the. We missed three weeks of racing here and so like So it was it was it was just such a super year and you know what it's been a little bit tough for us to get going in the month of January. We finally got our got our footing over the weekend with Actually we ended up winning five races with Friday and Saturday. And the the two graded stakes and we have a chance. This week to Toronto also well hopefully will win the race on Sunday. This take on Sunday but we aren't right a really good really of Venetian harbor for Richard. balsas her last race was awesome. Last race was incredible and she came back and worked fifty eight the day at Stanley Array. So she's sitting on tilt and then now right a nice source for for John Sadler in the thunder road on now on Saturday. What are we having fun to road? And the what's the other state. I forgot on Saturday. What is it the salmon say? It's only me look and see sorry about this gentleman not at all because I look at myself the Virgin Virgin at one time was a grade one which is incredible that that racist coming up this week because unfortunately that was a road where Kobe's helicopter crash was unlock virgins road in Calabasas. So that's that's very a very very strange. Well the The opportunities and you sort of hinted at it getting started in January. What what's your assessment Derek with the situation? The looking like three three day a week racing is gonNA continue tenue. It's gotTa be a you know it's got to be a challenge for and I gotta say particularly for the Second Tier Writers. There's there's gotta be next to no opportunities for them it with riding with with so few racing days and racists you you know you've we've lost They're six writers. They were writing here that that have gone on to write another places so and the but then you've got Rosario they come in and responding who comes in they're going to be Staying here probably probably until the end of the Santa Anita Derby a weekend and then they're going to go I well I think Rosario with we'll go onto Keelan I don't know what Umberto responded he's going to do who Pre probably will continue on with Ron and go back east so there are but they're you know it's like anything else The three days of racing is not exactly what we want. Not but we're not going anywhere. We like California. I mean this is our home. Floods got his Beautiful House that he That just bought a couple of years ago. And he's a you know he just some other business dealings here in California and of course I've lived here all my life so I'm rooting for Santa Anita to keep getting better and figuring this out and they are. I mean the races are still good. They're still still have the quality stakes races. Here you still I think have to go through California to get To the Derby you know in most cases not all the time but I think in most cases as you have to and and like I think I heard you say yesterday that you're it's kind of interesting to have a Peter in the in the Derby chased from California to Ooh I'm now he's got Jewish boy that was a terrific performance and he was really surprised about that and he kind of told me you know what this Royal Act I think is going to be okay and we worked. Roy lacked a few times and inflation was real impressed with him as well. I'll tell you for a moment in the stretch I thought royal lack was GONNA win. He ran he ran a terrific race. Yeah this thousand words are he's gut horse he really is. He just puts his head down and just goes and and as I was watching through my binoculars and I thought it to myself. Okay where are you going to go. Flavian the rail or you're going to split horses and he knew all the time that he was going in between those two the two horses and what did he say about that. Because it's funny A teen of my wife was watching and she texted me right away as you said is there. Are they going to take an inquiry. They GonNa look at that at that. Play at the stretch. Gotcha so what are you talking about. And she said Oh. Didn't he bump that horse. I said No. I don't think I mean they certainly kind of came together but I didn't even look the head on but I think the I think the pan made it look like it was. I'm sure there was a bigger bigger swath ground that he was splitting their then looked while it was it was tight when he started entering in. And then Rosario dropped out on the rail and Espinosa went out a little bit but I actually. I actually think that the horses know that this thousand words is covered and they just get out of the way and say okay. Let's not gonna be able to beat him anyway. He's not a big big horse he's I I'd like I like his is sort of range physically and he he is is got that you know that steady way of going that I just love in a classic tracking three year old and Baffert Bamford said that you know of Africa says as he watches he he worry worry sometimes that he's getting kind of comment on us and you know that that he's he's either sulking or you know is not it doesn't just doesn't than have that burst that that so many you know that that so many three year olds you look you hope we're going to have well I'll tell you what it's in his pedigree to have some kind of mental issues issues and that's because he's by pioneer the Nile who is by empire maker an empire maker is out of two side and I was right here on about one hundred degree deep mourning in the back in the nineteen nineties with Jerry Jones who is doing like a expecting father and I said what's wrong. I thought something radically wrong. And he says well. I'm trying to work this two year old filly and she's supposed to break from the gate with two side. He says there's two sides to Saad. I was over at the half-mile pole frozen just completely frozen. Frankl talked Frankl talked about that did that. She was just on the backstretch. Just lock up and the thing was this S.. Two year old. Filly was getting washy. She was getting hot because it was a hundred degrees even early in the morning. So scary is throwing a fit bit volley they get them to the gate and they break from the gate and this two year old filly works terrifically and I I said who she by he says. Seattle slew I said what's her name. He said Lakeway. There you go. That's great that's a great story so it's It's it's it's fun. I mean We're just moving forward. That's all we that's all we can do. And then so this week it's going to be storm. The court the two year old champion which shows funder which is fun to say that's a little bit people have different opinions about that but it's They gave They gave Peter in the the trophy so And the owners so I guess We'll go along with that for right now. Watching here as the BAFFLES. Come out and I'M GONNA this'll be I am going to imagine this is the Dow and His coworker upfront. Yeah that'd probably is. Where's he going with? Nate aller Kenzees with Anderson reported the South West South West and missile be. Glad we're here and well we'll have to keep talking and I'm GONNA end up pulling out the phone and at least getting WON'T BE WON'T BE EXPRESSED BAD TV quality but I'll I'll get some videos. They come around. Well I'll ask you Derek. How did you get involved in racing? Well actually started by way of the La County Fair. I worked Upstairs as a assistant publicity director there I would do the stats was the publicity ever. Oh you got me there okay. Gentlemen that had been there for many many years I his name just okay but I'll figure it out for okay but anyway He he had been I got hired to do to do the stakes Recap and then the next morning I would call the blood horse and give them all the all the information about who won the stakes day because remember back then. There were eighteen days of racing in Pomona and there was a steak every day. Believe me I remembered I was called them those charts so you work on and we were coming from del Mar where you raise six days a week. They would close on Monday. Fair plex opened on Tuesday yet right now themes and restraint on eighteenth street days and you'd come to oak tree at Santa Anita in the first week there would be a six day week with the holiday in October exact Jackson. I mean you'd have like two days often two months right but anyway so I saw these guys walking around with these writers and I asked him. What do you guys do and they told me what we're we're agents? You know. This is what we do. We work for writer. I thought well that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool deal so I didn't pay much mind to it. And then the following year I decided to look into it a little bit more. I worked again in the the publicity department and then I got hired by NatWest to go to Hollywood. Wow nine for the initial Winter meet the initial the inaugural a winter meet at Hollywood park had and you had a stalwart that one the future at that year a year in California. That was your first year. Yeah Yeah and then I work Karen then I gravitated back to work on the backside and worked with a lot of you know the three or four best writers. I worked with early and that wasn't really early with several years. There's into it was one with Fernando Toro Rafael Meza. The first European Ryder was Eric. Saint Martin because of the well here. Yeah he did quite well and he went on to ride for twelve years in Hong Kong. And we'll tell you. His father was great to me if I make a list of the ten mess writers I've ever seen he's on the list and Eve same AMO tremendous. Well the one thing that's interesting about these French. Riders is at a Flavian knows who he is but doesn't really know he is because he never saw him right but where the the influence of amount of. US racing is very solid with the European. Writers is I've always said it's cash asmussen. Yeah he's the one who never changed his style riding riding. WHO showed the young European writers that are now in their forties? So me all. And some of these other riders. How they wrote here in the United States? And that's why all these young European riders now ride the same same style is cash. Did cash got a little mad at me. Once I got a tip that he was going to be going to Europe deride he. He was writing in southern California at the time. I went down to the jocks room and I said At that time I was a reporter with the racing form. And I say cash I I said Is there truth to these rumors that you're leaving for for Europe. And he was. He was trying to keep the lid on those laws he could and he had to spill his guts right there so I broke the story that he was leaving the United States but Steve CAUTHEN was already over in Europe at that. Yes and doing very well wrote for Sir Henry Cecil and one awhile these great big derbies and everything else over there so but anyway. So that's So that's my introduction to the most challenging thing about being an agent what is the toughest thing about the job when you gotTa know name writer. It's trying to get him on when you work with flagging and practice time time to figure out what you're going to ride and not bit make people people matt and that's that's the problem that I always have so. There are days when the new condition book comes out. We're Kinda just hiding for beverage. Figure out what I WANNA do before. Can you go get your right here on the guy but it's I mean it's it's been a great It's it's been a great adventure working with Flavian and getting him To the level where he is right now well not only is he very talented in terms of his Writing ability ability but he's such a class individual to which helps him so much. I mean people like him and Pat Bounds. wailer showed that writers personality Odi can carry you even further than you're writing talent. I mean Pe- val came to the panic before the Breeders Cup distaff right here at Santa Anita a On the right for David Hofmans. She's light site. Seek was like one million that day they were hoping to hit the board Peeve it comes out and tells David Hofmans. We're going to win this thing and Hoffman's thought okay fine. What happens does Winston Patrick? Patrick Valenzuela is obviously one of the the really talented. Riders developed here in Southern California. And of course we know that unfortunately history but There are one trainer in particular says. Does your jock never smile. When he comes out I said hey listen? He's out here to do a job if he wants to smile. He'll smile after when the when the Horse wins the race in the winter in the winter. So yeah I mean he is what he is. He's pretty intense young man but At people but people will appreciate that actually absolutely and You know I speak with them after a race and he'll give me whatever information he wants to Forward to me about Let's try blinkers on. This shorter. Dropped the horse. Don't ride this horse back. You know a lot of different things that we communicate with and then now but we speak in English all the time. There's very a little French. Has Ever spoken. The only time there's French spoke is where we don't want somebody to hear what we're actually saying aside we so we We kind of do it that way. But it's so it's been a great experience for myself. I know it has been for him. Funny thing happened yesterday. on my phone though The name of his wife comes up on the phone on and all of a sudden. I hear a baby's voice in the background so apparently his daughter had pressed my name in his mother's fault and her mother's phone and she starts talking walk into me and then she hits facebook as well so so I I started just talking with your chatting with her. She's just giving her baby talk and Mono comes on the phone. So I'm sorry derrick as a said she's probably calling me to tell me why my daddy's not winning more races is the word for wind and French Guinea. I've been to France once for two days in one thousand nine hundred eighty four and I was the arc and I spent all day learning gonyea right so when I would go up to the window and put down my francs. I'd say Gonyea I spent. Ah Concentrate wrote it on my program. Everything I walked up I said I held up like three fingers. That said Gonyea and he says Oh. You want the three the two win. We were part of a horse racing abroad tour from England. Okay over to France and they gave us a section of the grandstand and they had English speaking leaking clerks. There which I didn't know I spent effort in Detroit over the guy goes. Oh you want the three two win. Is that right Steve. Next time you talk to Nick Luck you should ask him. are the bookmakers in England. Are they going to take euros or going. Back to Gone away away from Brexit. Now that's a very good question. Take the euros or are they going to just go back to the English probably back to the bounds as a horse worked they worked and I didn't I hate you. Hit the record on the video and it. It doesn't it didn't start and so they were they were I sort of got the hind end. Here's another baffert pair that are coming to the top. So we'll grab these. It's not easy. Well well I know that John Myself we are always happy to see when Steve Bicker we like to I know you've been Cozy up in the In the press box. And it's really all yesterday. Yeah AH yesterday was not first of all the windows windows. Those big plate glass windows were rattling around the clothes. Everything stuff was strewn everywhere. The papers had blown all over the press box computer screens at blown off the nuts nuts while when when when I got there at about five thirty yesterday and did not let up and then Frank Frank. Many he was left in the car. We didn't we didn't he. He didn't bring the toaster on it. And then we went for what for Little Bagel action over Goldstein's after you know after the show everything about your show. Yesterday was listening to Jay. Primin talking how he was in such awe of Jim Murray that he was afraid to talk with them. Who by the way was a real approachable? Double Gentleman I used to talk with him when he come to the races and walk through the parking lot and just talk to him about But I understand we're Jay was coming from the fact that he was doing the same type of work that Jim Murray loved racing is Jay said at and really did just like Red Smith. Those two guys both the news. How many great stories look what you've talked about last year and all that unfolded for you? Make that stuff up. I mean they wouldn't believe it. If you made it up they'd go. Oh that no. That's not going to happen. And you know you talk about Jim. Murray Charlie Wittingham did not particularly like talking to the press and I figured out early on that he had his own alarm clock and what he would do they would bring them up back. In those days they would bring up the winning trainer of the stakes races of their stakes races every weekend. Hollywood park del Mar and Santa Anita so they would bring up. They'd say would you like something to drink. Shirley give me a glass of something coke or whatever put some ice in it and so he would pour take the glass and poured the drink into about half way. He would take the questions but the minute that drink was empty. He'd say thanks guys. That's it goodbye. And that was his clock and I told my wife who was working for the seat she was the editor the thoroughbred of California magazine. I said you watch the next time. cheerleading can comes up. He's got his own little alarm clock with the when they give him a drink. Sure enough he did it. The reason I say Jim Murray there were the two people that he would stay even if his drink was empty. Jim Murray and Joe Hirsch those two you guys today said now if it was John White or Mike Martin or Jerry Nucci or Gordon Jones or I can go right down the list of the people working back then it was loss else catch a later. He was out the door right but But that was the thing about. Murray was just held in that high regard as was Joe Hirsch. Well I can understand Dan. Y J felt that way but You know that that whole era of of journalism and thoroughbred racing was huge. Yeah I was huge and listen to the different now but I mean There's a lot more I mean there's a lot of media if you really want to inundate yourself with the with words you can go on social social media and you can read just about anything you want you know so I mean it was. I'll tell you one thing. The comments that I her her read after the Derby I mean there and I can understand why the gamblers were furious. I understand that you know it's not like I'm completely clearly heartless or anything like that because you know we won the race but I understood that there were people that were furious and and there were people doing during the when we were standing out in the winter circle from the grandstand at Churchill downs. But anyway it's history is part of racing and we move on and we now in twenty twenty and You know that situation is behind us. And we're moving on and trying to find the the next Good three zero for us to ride in the Derby you talk about getting booed in the winter circle liner viewed Luella got Stein whose husband built lawmakers. They had a cottage behind the tope ward. My Dad thought it was the greatest place on earth in could live anywhere it would be behind the tote board long anchors and the second I can call him. I ever wrote for the racing form. Nineteen seventy five was interviewing Lahnstein and she had eight million winter circle pictures in that cottage because Joe God Stein only built long acres. He raced his ELTAIEF's stable which was Seattle spelled backwards and I said They use the Blue God Stein. Every time he'd win a race there because the guy on the track and they bring the Horse in Abu. I said Mrs Johnston Gene. How did your husband feel about this? And she said Oh he loved it because many won the Steve. We've got Alastair Cooke racing right sitting exactly act very red racing. I've always said even to Your wife I tell her. Where's Alastair the racist today through the years have many great conversations between races? We would Chad often. And it's one reason I'm so tickled Steve the see the success. That Derek's enjoying now with lovey. And because this guy's worked hard for many many says to every everybody and delighted for you know he's such a good guy and this is so it's so satisfying to me to see the success and I'm so happy for their. I appreciate it for both the guys giving those nice props my way. It's it's but you know what excuse me. It was a learning experience with all the other riders that I had got to be ready for this ready to get the opportunity like this and And one thing I've always enjoyed is starting writers and with Le Vian and basically was we started started from Ground Zero and to where we are right now so it's a lot of fun but How instrumental was Richard Mandella in this? He was because the simple fact is is the fourth year that Flavian came over we once he won seven races five of them were further Mandela's L. Gerry and and for Richard and One Flavian was leading Richardson Man. I wish this kid would stay here. We could do some damage here and sure enough The the story I always tell. Is that I've got a beautiful bottle of Crystal Champagne for Andre Fob thanking him that he didn't give Flavian the number one position when he fired Olivier Pele. 'CAUSE Flavian end was number two but he hired Mexcio to get the number one job and tol- fled unique. It's naked stay at the number two rider to which I got into his on the telephone. I said you don't have to be number two to anybody. Anybody you come the United States. I'll make you the number one writer in southern California without a doubt. All you have to do is make that decision. And he talked and that at that time he was twenty three so And he talked to the parents and My worked on getting him his his visa. I also worked on getting the visa for for now his wife at the time it was his girlfriend and and as I say that was that's history so so we're moving forward but anyway gentleman. I've gotTA move they show. I always listen to the show every morning. Because I'm checks tax a question that there's something going on and I was texting you fast and furious. This is out that horses out. Anyway thank you very much. Thank thank you for all the The props and do appreciate it and And I might be calling you guys who we ride the Saudi well. We'll figure that out later later. Derek Lawson everybody and Flamy and pregnant. If you haven't heard the interview we did with Flavian take. It was too must be two years ago. It was wondering we had a wonderful conversation including talking about his His harness His hardest activities that involve with in his brothers also driver. And so it's It's something that it's the near dare to him He actually said that when he retires from becoming a jockey he might just turn out to be a harnessed trainer and his brother horses. I said okay. That's a good idea. So what do you want to do to Sacramento or the medal at yeah. Exactly exactly. You'll be you'll be yonkers and absolutely all right. Thanks very much fun. Derek Lawson and John we got got about fifteen before baffert makes his way over after watching. These had about six of them work and I think somebody worked solo too. So we'll we'll get An update from from BAFFERT. We'll get the BAFFERT report exactly from baffert himself. And let's talk a little bit about the the rest of the weekend and and you know some of the impressions three year olds and and everything else that went on so thoughts will certainly that midcourt. I thought was extremely high price of. I mean there's some races as you're watching them and you go this races over when they were heading to the back stretch. I thought my goodness the this right. This is the mid court. We had been watching when he had that winning streak going and then he was disappointing in the San Antonio. We didn't break that day and was quite disappointing. But he's going to get a rematch now with gift box. And that is something you know. I'm really tickled because there's so much history associated with the Santa Anita Handicap in that race has really been hurt hurt by the Pegasus in the Dubai World Cup and You know now Saudi and the Santa Anita Handicap which was once maybe the premier Amir race in the country at one time. Back in the day. you know his had lost some of its youth and to have this looming rematch between gift box and Midcourt at least to me. Add some real enthusiasm for this year's big cap a gift box boy his race in the San Antonio it was a really impressive and so we'll have John Sadler with gift box and ruinous racing and we talk about owners that are classy. I've Said said it many times on your show but I'll say it again You know 'cause there's just he's such a marvelous Guidi so put so much into this game he just loves the game and I am so happy with any success that he enjoys in this game and we need people like him to to to participate in our game and and And he's like I say he's invested so much in it and that's why when he gets an accelerator a gift box. I'm so happy and I know John Sadler for eons and he's Classy as they come and I hope there's a Kentucky Derby maybe someday John Sadler's future sure I would certainly like to hope that that's the case and what's interesting that when it comes to Arana's racing the this this acquisition program that that he and John have have sort of happened on of taking horses that are are are say ready made you could say you know mid career or a third of their way into their careers and and John you know. It's not easy to take a n particularly off of some trainers that are top top notch it. It's not as if you know they're they're you know they're taking second tier products or or horses. That are you know aren't being develop to their potential for for Sadler to to do what he's done with some of these horses and obviously that that quick made the debut you think wants a little bit more ground just only got started a little bit late How `bout combatant very quietly finishing third in in in in the race Saturday? A good springboard for him I think so I think that that race Definitely for him. is encouraging. And I'm sure that they're tickled to see that kind of performance from him You know first time four them so You know like I say and then of course I you know talking about the three year olds thousand words you were. Los Alameda hosts the day when the Los alamitos maturity. You're the guy that we were sitting down in the grandstand baffert might win five in a row today and you said that early on then promptly and then being being being being there's five in a row so that was pretty good. Did you call that shot. Beautifully and In thousand words was part of that sequence and then came back and and got the job done and the and the Robert Louis and you talk about classy owners. Now they're one of the greatest of all time and You know my favorite of all the hundreds of winners circle interviews. I did on television whether at the simulcast here at sanity. HR TV or what have you my all all time favorite. We had a showdown here at Santa. Anita one year in the Santa Monica Handicap between two daughters of rocky undefeated exotic wood was making her. I started the year trained. By Ron Ellison owned by the UAE guides Mr Mrs Mardi God and Serena's Song For d Wayne Lukas and Bob and Beverly Lewis and Gary Stevens was aboard Serena Song Chris McCarron on exotic would seven furlong race at the top of the a stretch. I mean they were right there together. The crowd went crazy. It gives me chills just thinking back to that race. Serena's song shoulder class and in fact. Trevor Hardiman alluded to that during the call. How she was showing her class to win that race in hand exotic would the first defeat of her career? So there's all this excitement and I'm down in the winner's circle and here's Bob Lewis and d Wayne Lukas and Gary Stevens and I talked to Gary Stevens first because he had to ride probably the next race. And then I talked to Mr Liu Lucas and then I talked to Bob Lewis and I said Mr Lewis. Congratulations on this race. The first thing he says I want to congratulate gradually Mr Mrs. Why Guide Ron Ellis and Chris McCarron on the outstanding performance of their Philly? She ran so terrific and Blah Blah Blah. And and. I'm just sitting there. And the thing about Bob Lewis. I was just talking with Bob Baffert a little while ago before I came on with you Mr Lewis. It was totally really genuine. I mean that wasn't one of those phony you know. He was such a genuine person and he called me. Mike Willman one time. I am in the winter circle by accident because Mike Wilma was always doing the winners circle interviews For the fall we had a fox to show here in southern California was quite popular. I was on. We're here at Santa Anita with Kurt. Hoover and Mike Woman was on with Kurt at Hollywood and So it just slipped out of Bob Moose's mouth guy said what. What were your thoughts on the race? Mr Lewis and he says well Mike and I mean he could tell me anything. I had such respect for the guy. He called me in the press box the next day and I said Hello John. This is Bob Lewis I said almost lunacy says can I call you mike yesterday. I said Yes sir but I said that's okay I feel so. Don't worry about it. It's fine I say but the guy at the care that much you could tell he projected warmth and and and beverly to generally to the there was just a graciousness about them. You know and a real they they had that that old school charm About them Very special there. I is it Bob Bob and Beverly Lewis to a race. Track was to Santa Anita nineteen forty six. They had met at the University of Oregon. and Bob Bob had brought Beverly to Glendale the Nita's Family Glendale California not far from Santa Anita and they decided to spend an afternoon at Santa Anita. They enjoyed enjoyed it so much that when they went back to Oregon they would go to the races. Sometimes the Portland Meadows and then they ended up thinking you know what it would be good to be you you know. He came down and got into the business here in southern California and they thought you know Bambi Fund baby own some horses and their soaks to green in Oregon or or University of Oregon colors very much. The duck callers. No doubt about that I I I love it. I love it He was just a a wonderful the person in again he put so much into the game. And you know Bob Baffert bought silver charm and for and bottom himself and and didn't have an owner and told that story when we were when we were at At Arizona Arizona. Yeah and it was he a here all of a sudden here he gets Bob Lewis Wall take him and they win the Kentucky. This is again. You can't make this stuff off the next thing you know other when they're almost winning the triple crown. I mean you know that was really Amazing so and Bob on his way to join us and and Formerly congratulate him on on three thousand and and catch up. Grab that stick there you go. Now we're talking about Bob Lewis. Oh in honor of Bob's memory. I'm going to say.

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Kirk Conquers Saco, Part 1

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Kirk Conquers Saco, Part 1

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You asshole Jesus Well, so here's the thing like so you know. I thought big cat obviously sounded a little whining I. Think he sounded a little upset I understand it. It's a we I understand why he's upset. You know he signed some deal. News told when big things happen. I will be consulted. This is a big thing wasn't consulted, but that being said he knows you have to talk to the President I. Mean knows that but I think as overall point is that he was snubbed like they. This is the thing he wanted to voice obviously concerned about he, he wouldn't have done it. He told you that months ago when he was on the show. Talking to these I wouldn't have trump on well. Yeah, but he said, but he said he understood that. The day would have to do what he wanted to voice that opinion in some way and they just. They told him he would be allowed to. Here's the thing though like if he'd said that they had done anyway right I mean it was a really matter I think it's more of an ego thing. He said they said you're GONNA be. Involved in August. I understand where he's coming to understand these upset, but I mean I don't know I think he was upset for I think. He realizes I talked to him after and he said. What did you think I said? Here's the real situation from the real thing that was missing in that conversation. The ten minute monologue did. was that he never mentioned what is really true. The BARSHA was popular in two thousand fifteen, his now and Dave wanted to talk to Barack Obama. Nobody would care about it now. Nobody with the jets or even nobody would object. White drone strikes. Why aren't you asking tough questions in knowing that? But like damn when I'm really upset, but that's okay. I understand you run a business and there's a certain part of the visit doesn't want to hear that. Knowledge that it's kind of the elephant, even Biden now I don't think anyone would care. What do you mean? He interviewed by you said. Interviewed by the people think people middle of a political. Here's here's what I think. We'll upset some barstool employees. There is no doubt well. I'll ask you guys this if you ask one hundred people. just ran the people on the street. The old family feud test is Dave Portnoy more famous Marilyn Monroe. Would you say yes or no I would say no still right now? Right now Americans in the world like housing. No definitely Monica Lewinsky. A No. No, no, no, so I would say Dave. Poe is the third most famous person do sucks. On the grounds. Of of the Rose Garden. That's. That's not bad checks so. That was that was set up? That was worked on you guys. Bowl, said yes, which helped well done well done I was. Very good thank you. Dennis. Sir If i May You Know. See the numbers talking. In this room, I would say among these people. Like I have no like the Dave is not going to do a heart, obviously kidding days looking to a hard hitting donald trump as not curious enough, but I could see and I don't agree with this, but I could see how some barstool employees who you know. We're happy to fucking flat their gums about Donald trump junior or meal. Saying boy, that was pay essentially a free advertising for Donald. Trump, which is what it was. Oh, definitely, I mean. There's no like it was like fifty million dollars worth of US Barstool, but that's also part of the game. I mean that's how it works like a, but the thing I don't get is like where's barstools benefit from this? Because from being tweeted out on a personal account and it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't had I mean maybe I guess their argument is, it brings in the new audiences socks. People were talking about. Barstool for told me it came together so quickly that they didn't have time to monetize. It was based on my experience with. This thing came together in. Two months and they didn't have time to sell. Advertising can understand that. I saw a lot of people who size and that book. I saw a lot of people. tweeted out that you know Dance Pussy, Da Da, and I understand that and the truth is of course, if damaged enemy of mine, and he did that the other day, I'd probably be killing him I suppose, but I like them and I, and I do understand intellectually. It's coming from and I also think like today probably feels different than you did yesterday to some extent tomorrow. He'll feel even less about, but I get it i. get it when something big is happening and you think you're supposed to be part of it and you're not like I could see themselves as a partner. He say he said. But he's, but he's not though, but it's the. It's the first time I've thought about. Why am I here? But he works for it, but he does work for Dave right like he's not the other thing he said was, he said this during the thing is when you think of Barstool you think of me, and Dave and I was like well. I mean some people do, but some people think KFC and Dave. Some people think of Eric and Dave. Some people think like. KFC really gets down. As much equity has. Maybe less KFC. Could Burn. Now he's. Always found that a little strange. No, but but like dance I get it I think if you ask people whatever same thing the five biggest people I mean Dan is obviously right there I get that, but like I duNno, I get coming from it and he was upset, but part of it is I think I'm surprised. There hasn't been the bigger uprising in the company over this. Kinda makes them all look like a bunch of pussies the made. A bunch, of fraud? Butts shot their watt a couple of weeks ago. They would have had the chance to complain about this if they didn't all shit on Dave to route signals troop, but it's hard because I like Dave I love Dan so i. get I mean they were Dan. was like pissed off. pissed off so I mean. Here's the thing like if you if you really pissed off and you go on the air and you speak your genuine feelings. It's like well like how hard you WanNa kill the guys telling you saying how he feels the message I took away from his whole rent is that he really doesn't WanNa talk politics you. mentioned. Mike recycling jokes from last night by. City. You'll do it again tomorrow. Don't worry about listening on the big screen. It's weird. Being is strange. Being on the. I almost want to reenact to myself right now. A famous scene from the motion picture I don't know what it is I'm trying to think. What would it be? I'm not selling anything up either I'm actually generally. OFF! The think of that is a night goes on interesting. Let's see I don't know. I would I look I look pretty good? The big screen was born. Be beyond the big screen the lighting. Look Fine Mike. It looks like. Mike is one of the most I would say. You know watching Mike, and the big screen is like watching. VISIT SCENARIO IN. Full Metal Jacket you know what I'll take a little. Like. Seeing you know the mom in what's eating Gilbert grape all over again. The. Warthog looks like Vince enough real from that mistake. Oh, I can I. Say this by the way Mrs Warthog big smile for Kirkman. All my God. My God I gotTa Laugh. But what did you do I? Gave you I did I saw her right, so I saw Mrs Warthog. I'll do it for you. I take the MIC. Yeah. You don't have a very long court though go run with it. Yes, here, we still. Can you see me? Here doesn't work as well. So I saw Mrs Warthog. So War Guy did this. She smiled. She smiled. And I believe there was more to the story though. Yes escorted. Is over the popcorn so. Fast. Hug? Your girlfriend just scored over the PUCK or augment. Malka. Okay. What are you GONNA do. It. This is. What it is! How would you forget that you? Genera yearbook quote. But no, she was very nice I'm kidding. Obviously, she seemed very nice to the big smile. It seems like she's actually having. I would say upgraded to having a miserable. Okay good. Yeah, like can I. Run this by because Alba wanted this big wacky bit and I said don't fucking bow. She said Carol Burnett, she said. Wouldn't it be funny if I bought Kirk? Sandals and I was like he's not gonNA appreciate like I get the joke that you're going for him is there? Is there a fucking flight from fucking Portland Albanian? Here that album I told you I saved you because I don't like sandals, right? It's very. Yes, but It was very nice. Trying to I saw DC no, yes, yes. Electric Minivan DC ripping bitching about Steve like Steve. Pulled me off and Steve. TOLD THEM UP I went to I. went to when I was like. You're don already. And he was like. Yeah, well kirks could use microphones. He's GonNa. Come in and do something on your show and then. I saw Steve said you're done already to DC. Steve is twenty six years older than the oldest person ever said that to DC before. Because, he's a pedophile. The fundamental. Technology sees a pedophile. But the children are saying you're done already. Well. There's been so much experience. My goodness, you're excited it's nice. To meet a little boy. DC getting the most. Did you ever these days? Anyway. So. Yeah I mean I feel like I. Mean unless you get super in this parcel stuff I mean i. I understand big. I didn't think you sounded I. was surprised when I, heard people sounded saying he sounded whiny. Those all right what I said to him though was like once. You say that doesn't know this once. You say on a public form like I'm hurt. My feelings are killed. By just GONNA. Be Like we're going. Once, he admits. He something guys, I'm star. Cast Jesus the. Red Snapper, but no I don't want to read snap gigs. Somebody gave me something but I'm starving here. What the Hell's going on! Here I think that one's big cat admits that he had to do the interview. He just wish he was consulted on it. then. That's the only interview that. Dummy. PORTLAND. To say around here. Why why can't you disagree or you're the drive in movie theater to? Why don't even understand the fucking you do? What can you listen to it? What are you doing? They dropped. The bugs are going to eat you alive. Right right. Although Jerry's audiences more used to a drive in movie theater setting. That's true. That's true. Yeah, that's Jerry's audience could come here. They would have answered the question about Marilyn Monroe a lot better. Ako Steve. What are we all? Where we go. I do this bags. Brother I got my peggy Lipton chocolate chip cookies. Guys Buck Yeah. You should mild applause for those cookies very mild. You should take pride in the fact that you've bread. allegiant of people that have zero problem walking up to a stranger and saying hey, you fat fuck! Shit, you really are blind. What's wrong? You Fuck? What's the matter what the Hell is going on? Oh, fuck, oh no. God Damn it's thank you, Lord. Jesus. Let's just happened. What is why is this? Robin Williams is a robot on the big talker. Pull my goodness. Me Too much. Okay. I understand that it's one robots two hundred year journey. Why is it on the screen when somebody cross that off of all the things? We were hacked minute understand. Russia Russia's the Russians hacked us. So in that movie. He wants up at the granddaughter. Yeah Yeah Right. Yes, okay, but he buys alarm. It's on. Someone's breaking into one. mind. Led Zeppelin's going around looking their cell phones this morning. My car I mean my car couldn't be further away. Oh thank you brother. God is Mrs Fields Klondike. have now ninety six cookies. Conduct you sit now. I literally feel like a DC victim being you know play with cookies, warm ice cream industry. Don't worry about it. It's not gonNA hurt about it hurts the first time. Did you wash. Hope not. Thank you very much. Okay, thank you I'm good. Thank you, thank you for the smooth hairless boys. No more food had enough food. Now here we go. Thank you very much. Jesus Christ. Okay, were you giving one of the trading cards that have been handed out I turned down the trading cards several times. Because I think they're gonNA. Be millions of dollars trying to be lined through is a phenomenal amount of people. You're the phenomenal amount Bluefin's police house, and would you say? Would we do pretty close? It's crazy I mean that the system could pass so many negative covert tests in such a short period I mean look I mean. I think we're all dead? There's no. Every everybody here. GonNa Negative to I. Mean if we're here if I'm here with my people. Don't WanNA die together anyway. I mean. What people just being cars, these people doing I don't know. Tell them to be in their cars or saying. Where's Emma. Because otherwise very ugly, and it'll be in six months anyway. So what's the difference? So, what is it day in mainly from gear and has everything to do till five o'clock you're wrong. My friend I was out hitting the links. Oh, where are you happened big? Fan Golf Tournament Yeah had to go. As I. It's it was the sea of fans for sure it was. It was the up and comers. I would say matter Wasco Rob and that okay well, that's good and Yeah, I think with the proper training and if I had someone. Directing me like moving my body and the right to wrestling in the club for you. He didn't like to see. Swiss great. Potential, so you're saying it was. List of minivans like you up and not Hubbard. Thank you very much man, thank you now. I have more food than human. Being ever had in their life, a s an. So Mike Calls Breakfast. Because he's fat I am. Fries Ryan, minihan very jealous. Who was here today? You can have some to stay slow poison. Food taster, they're good. Justin not to volunteer for that. Just don't do anything just your guy this week. Do anything except for speak when you talk to them. Oh Yeah. One of the couples staying at my house a was up. Just. Just an up till two in the morning. Oh God with the two of my friends just. In the hot tub. What with? Polishing off a bottle of pink. Eleven Jesus Christ now. I mean he's GonNa. Be Late nights doing this again the Mario. Christ. Well all right well. we'll. Play clips from the trump porno ear soccer. No. That ask hall soccer. I just fucking hate and he went on with KFC Mike last night, trying to get me a rip KFC new problem. My point is that you're. You're pissed Marco for letting soccer in the world which I get, but I don't I feel like KFC did something pretty. Insulted Him and made fun of them a little bit in the. But in the column that. There wasn't like then rebuttals by K. Markle in that call, of course not, but there's also. Jokes around. Me It says Zongcao now. Is Credibility Disabled I'm buddy like in in the clip that I sent you. It's like why don't you go up to rob? Instead it's it's kind of like they're joking around about what he's doing. Which gives it credibility? Go after crops I think I think KFC go onto. Long ripped him harder, yeah. That was my own him on to make fun of him. For two minutes would give them a platform for ten minutes to be like. Well Kirk tried to cancel me, so I'm going to cancel him, and it was buddy buddy fucking around now really fucking around but I thought to me I said to you though the longer he talks, the worse he looks and try. To hear him talk forever because he sounds so fucking crazy. Like I just don't you know I? I had no problem with so you kind of like Porno. If it's the written word, you've got a problem with it. Well. Yes, I mean why I suppose yeah. Listen couple in the fans here tonight that we should acknowledge here before we go any further night one night. One of two I ran into a guy who is from Hilton head South Carolina who drove up overnight to go the show tonight. It's driving back overnight tonight after the maniac. Breezy and you know we saw. I saw baby MANKOC as well. As doing great. Yep. pregnant fans. Here's pregnant offense blessed babies. We'll save me a tip on a horse wonderful I saw. I saw a woman a pregnant woman who had flip flops on. You want me the Buzzer Baby. I said I want this baby to be aborted because just. You wonder. Woman is woman was W. Third Trimester this legal all right. On, born main right. Are you sure it wasn't third trimester? Abortions good main right well I mean second trimester first trimester. It's still killing a human sixteen year old knocked up though you took care of your. That's finally SOCI- abortion debate. Folks got what Steve. This teriyaki dexter that. The way. I have to say in the city of Portland, not a lot of parking. pullover vessel. We're talking Portland though we're talking with Sakho just Soko. There's tremendous I. There was like the State of Maine. You wouldn't believe the amount of parking up here. So. What's the name of the Chinese restaurant? Yum Yum. Yummy! Food in there is. Steep Walking wohlsen Christ. Now the specific one. What's it called? It was just on the corner. Avert Dover Avenue. This. Wing, wing nobody go their. Nominee. Steve. Okay. Have you been doing during all this in your motel? I've been fiery street. Seeing these seemed very focused, but yet very. Easy boy nervous WASCO. Yeah, no much bigger production Yeah, it was, but it was much more under my control. I was able. Visits like. Fries three o'clock and get everything set up and. Good I was nervous in the morning tomorrow. Be Easier. Yeah, tomorrow, a lot easier, plug and play maybe. What plugging play baby okay okay. Wasn't GonNa, say something else about the fans going back and forth just like. What's weird is like so you walk by and just so again. I'll do it again tomorrow for, but he missed pictures I'm sorry when you walk by the kind of look, and then you're like Jessica. See this is when you go like ten feet by. Picture like. I'm here I'm walking for I'm not walking around from my house. Come on up. Do you WanNa? Pick if you don't no big deal. They're very nervous to go up to you. Gentlemen I'm pretty a pretty accessible anybody. I think. The coronavirus adds another layer. fucking United States heavyweight champion. That's right. Fuck Belt approved the built a proven. Latino Kirk I think flew in. He's flying back tomorrow. He said Yeah. From his vacation, yeah, with a tremendous amount of cocaine, probably in the in the on the imagined. Plotting Mrs Latino Kirk also star now kind of people coming up to her but yet, but yet cold as ice like not friendly like I'm a star like oh equal with a little bucket. You're talking pit. Driving show summer in Buchan and wherever you are Colombians, people show up and Tara really outshines her. I think people forget is the star that show the other lady like Lauren. Kind of forgets that okay. We have way too inside him. To Youtube. Star knows their names right yes. That's true. You totally sober. Totally. DRANK NO! That's good. That's good to hear. Well. Speaking of big cat. Am I. Correct in saying that he was nice enough to make video for the fence I've not seen this he was. He was nice enough to do a little shoutout a great. We, always bitch, and Moan about the people that partial. Don't support US I have not seen this yet. I'm told that Dan cats became self before having his dignity stripped. This balls taken out by Dave Porno. You went to interview the president. Left video fans is by in in the back. Macaroni is in charge of this right now. Is he good to go man? Because of a microphone or no, no method of Mike Front. Okay well, let's hear from Dan Catch, shall we? Say. What's up made a fans? Hope! You're enjoying your time and Sakho. Wish it could be there. The. Yeah. WHOA. Pets. All right see. He claims that's legit. It looked with. Look like Lemon Line Gatorade, but The Piston before these say that was that was a live piss. Before I believe it, he. He message me privately, saying he's a big defender of pissing a bottle in which we need to get into because of the audio that was unearthed that we haven't talked about I. AM happy to have hold on ordering. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, so I think. Everybody. Here knows I suppose yes that Steve Looks people in the eye while urinate S-, and you admitted you also subsequently. It was a woman hosting that you wouldn't do that. Right yeah! I'm chivalrous and last time you took pitch today. just before the show bathroom. They may want to see Steve Robinson bottle tonight. Was it, what fuddy-duddy said No. Nobody wants to see stupid. Kids around. And they're fucking here. This is how you. GonNa sex offender parents. Really you know their kids here. I'm happy. Little babies are here. To the children here. is another. Another ever a little baby ever as well so It will play that sound this from the Super Bowl. Yes, all right I mean I'm I'm happy to defend this? I mean you know I. Don't have that zone. Can't. I said we were GONNA talk about I. Y Internet reenacted corrobos. Fuck Steve Well forget it so. Why would you tease that then I? I thought everyone had seen it. I'm sorry. Why would ever seen it? So you have more people in this video from the big thing I mean Steve. You realize that more people can listen to center actually here tonight. Right yes. Yes, what did you think was going to happen? 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Because, it's IT'S A. Fun in Maine! Who you go with I. Don't know I see. A lot of fans might be there as always that true. See Okay I mean look like a nice place. I mean it seems it seems like loads of fun. In fact, when someone kind of jokingly said Hey aqua bag actually looks pretty cool and Steve Goes Oh. It's great. It's great, so it's like he got very serious. It's unbelievable. What are you gonNA. Slash slash. Open right now. Autobahn. Has the balls to open up tells me much fun. You're GONNA have their. I'm driving in today. Or yesterday rather we do the drive through. We did the testing afternoon. I. Run into everyone's a theater. Where Steve. Is it goes on from bogging like he's. He's he's. He's in there and said looking. He should size. There could be some. Time to ride the site. It's like a little piece of my childhood. The slides you start really high in and. Then you're in the water right? Yeah, you get that little feeling and your belly button to rush. You get that feeling in your belly button. When you're. A little bit of like zero gravity like when you're on a swing at the top of the swing and you feel that little. It's in your belly. Button I've never like right behind your navel, the little flip-flop, or if you have when you? When you go over a bump in the road, and you're like Ooh, as a matter of what who doesn't matter. As a matter of any. Push it in I. Don't know I kind of a weird bellybutton. Do you ever? Do like an any idea. Well, it's more of an. Advantage, what does he sees belly, buster and See. My skin, really weird penis. I've seen actually actually the twitter account. Oh, God Jesus. Christ That bad. We'll it's kind of develop more as of grown. It's become more of an any I live action. It was like an hiring developed like as a person. You've figured. Watch your belly button. Yeah, I think I've got like a little bit of a panch after you wash your belly button no after you watch your belly button as you grow, don't you? I mean you can't see your fucking waiting with no, that's weird. No, you make A. Check it on your belly button every six months. Old Friend. We'd like you observe. Observe you look at yourself in Mirror I. spent no time looking my belly button. When I was a kid I had a weird or belly button I do now. So what the puberty change it I. Don't know no probably just getting fat. Under splatter understand. You don't even know what to do with this. You know what do the difference any Audi is. fucking bad surgeon cutting the umbilical. Nobody wants to see my. Income on! Without your, billy. Is actually a fairly deep belly. Really Yeah. How far is your favorite knocks? Mentally like it's deep has his thoughts. He thinks a lot about Steven. B Smith BELLYBUTTON. Socrates. Let's debate. Belly Button debate, some, point. Short? Okay I was listening to Steven. Be on the way up. It was great what? Were you really you have to the episode about. Socrates whether his apology was. I knew? I knew we listen to the same intention with Credo Credo. Of course, that was my big sticking. Pause the laws versus the WHO is wrong. Tension there versus who socrates apology versus Plato's Credo the delicious Crato. You don't care about any of this. What are you? What are you taking? To. Pfizer I goes. I like them. Actually I do that. But Cre- to criticize movie. It is of analysis. That's true. What was I going to say something else I'd WanNa bring up before the next thing I forget it was forget you the bug. The bugs are not that bad I have to say. I was nervous. I'm not getting Steve's thing. Which Hubbard told me this piss has not been that bad. Not I don't know where the fuck TJ hover got that in his head, but it helps the buzzer not bad, but I was. was out with the fans last night and I stayed I wanted to stay until the end, because I felt like that was kind of my responsibility, and at some point, probably around eight thirty like right when the show ended Ya, Hubbard came up to me and goes Mike. Are you good and I go? Yeah, but he don't worry about. It goes all right. You don't need me for anything. Go. No, no. Twenty minutes later. Someone told me that ever just left. Guy Tones a house was nowhere to be found. That forty minute fans and just this guy's yard. That was a good crowd last. Seen Yeah. That was good. I think people have everyone I've talked to hear tonight, so they're having a great time, so that's good i. mean I think they got their money? Really my us when my weekend was about this week, and it's just doing events that prove last time I got a little cocky. So this weekend is about proving. I'm not as good as you I hosted the show horribly last night. I golfed horribly today. If, there's anything you'd like to add to the agenda, I'm willing to do it I think you're doing a horrible job tonight, you. Sort of a perfect a perfect. Thank you very performance. Yeah one second here. Okay no right. Oh, we have that Speaking of terrible we have. That cheers! Listen to this shears podcast Nike. or No. Go nuts one lonely car beeping. Those crazy, the apply near it. Folks I was. Diving they her name of their heads talk at the steering wheel. Out! There were some. Steve who don. fucking crazy this. We're. Excite the players. It's audience. Okay, so people don't know promoted this plenty. Quantum we Chris. Jose podcasts no called where everybody knows where lame. That's right I know that where they go by episode episode of. And I thought this was funny. The first four minutes of the second episode. Where well we'll just start playing some of it. Remember anything funny. Some plot holes that I've noticed. I don't know if you WANNA get into anything I, but the plot holes are really hold on, hold on. Hold on. Is it. The you only got two. Yes, okay, good because you mentioned a couple of. I wanted to get to a situation comedy from thirty eight years ago, you, WanNa dig into the plot. Okay, if you watch it, you think this doesn't make any goddamn sense, but keep in mind as a character on the show. Who The answer the phone doesn't name. I. Washed episode, one. Dig Far to the episode of this pot. That far into the plot hole is not lost or the x files. Sopranos. It doesn't make any sense. This is A. There's another thing that's weird about the show. It's really strange. Watch cheers. Like when you're sitting there, what somebody says something kind of funny? Also tremendous people start laughing woes filmed. That's genuine was filmed before a live studio on his Oh. What was filmed? Cheer. Okay okay. Let's get to the like. My shows to be realistic, says crazy crazy. We'll go ahead. Well I'll start with the end of the character of Eddie enters the bar. Immediately the getting Red Sox game just ended there, watching it on real quick hold on real quick. I don't know if Matt is here from from. Dr. Ruth could ask him because I bet you. They have some season pass. All the drive in movie shows so I could see like somebody did have a season pass for it. People go all the shows. Just, say yes. So, let's say that's true. That's true like. Do you think some couple came here tonight? It's like waiting to see movie like right now. Why can't we get it in writing? What is the sound of this what? They're talking about a youtube show at called. Cheers cheers, awfully, expensive ticket. That's that's good. Eddie enters seconds later and says how Red Sox bar which there's no evidence of. Names then claims he came from the game. Did he sprinted? Have you ever tried to go to fenway the? They called them out on that though. Mike Mike is so far to point out this miniscule thing nobody gives. Chris, you watch the show. When he pointed out Chris Cruise like no, that was that was addressed like thirty seconds was it points out the seventh inning rich I say off color who could forget that classic line of Course Kristie. Right that's why he's there to keep me in. Check a little bit I. Get a little crazy which is. A. Little Nitpicky, no. Cook what we're doing. We're doing a half hour. Episodes of cheers. Do you think. Perhaps we're getting a little to. Joke around like serious. No not what the fuck! No one's dying. Well! It's a Sitcom thirty eight years ago at the. Season Three. That's true. That's true. It gets very serious. More. Well I left after the seventh inning stretch. He called it. He called it the seventh inning. Wretch Oh. That's right that's. A dream. For Mike, Oh my God. That's right I felt like a fool. I feel very I point you have the whole episode. You're wrong. I'm not wrong. They're wrong. He's like no, he's like w said it'd be said. They addressed on the show, but he walks in. It's still a plot hole in the sense that he walks in seconds after the. Keep going, so it's made to think he just came from the. Keep going. Yeah, you're right about that, then would. Then I would suggest why the hell to take them so long to get to stop what the fuck is wrong. You really care how long it took. Who was a Gary Eddie Eddie to get daily Yankees Fan to get back to. Maybe, maybe, but maybe it a stretch, but that within why fenway. But you don't care, but until you actually hair where the right. This was not. Saying. This doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense that people. Well season one didn't get crazy where I don't want to inside, but she is a whole got a lot of ratings. A lot of people watch the show that no one say it doesn't make sense. Keep amounts. Just come on, you're with me. Cracking here. Explained it I'm happy. Day always went. To but yes, you're right. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm willing to grant him. That's fair. This is the guy who calls in his Johnny Carson. Why such A. What on this fucking show because it very seriously, no one's approach. Exactly so the laughs are for the show the seriousness for us to James Lipton's. One Regis Philbin at this. Keep playing. The Red Sox hold on, hold on hold on. Do you. This is over the line. Dale Keefe, they still warm. You. Guys want us to call Dale. Steve, Thoma. The guys ready? Speaking Dale that's funny to. Know. The answers. I he usually does. He answers you call from random number. Star six seven because my numbers band. Main number, he's going to answer I. Think it is nine fifty one. That's true. That is true. Now no answer. Wow. That's too bad. He's opposed to bed but keep. How much more do we have in this fucking thing? This dreadful fucking podcasts. Youtube show, it's it's another minute of. Any of any of anybody, you're listening to this fucking youtube show. Watch it again. You're fucking dead to me. Don't listen. You will be able to resist. That's very strange, and then another another whole net conversational. Here we go here. We hold on hold on. Hold on hold on. Detective Mike on the case. Kirk. fucking at work for my show. Play these journalistic skills to like a Shirley Lung. Kevin. And, no one noticed these consistencies. Chris. I. It's like it's like Colombo got one more for you is like a few good men like you know. What? This is about escape, but you just one more just one more thing Chris. Chris or the worst chess matches of all time. Jesus decades important work. And says he just got a work yet. Red Sox game is just ending roughly ten o'clock maybe later. And Carlos says to the Gentleman Eddie. The bar is closed when he walks in. Normal norm just got their cliff just order to drink. None of this makes any goddamn sense. You know there's some issues, and even if the. Carlisle just in case in what someone has not seen more logic episode of. Why would they presented like the part where we're Chris gives his great for the show. I mean who is this irving? A fucking lunatic has marking. We're going to find out what our favorite episode is. By this process. We only Chris gives it a forty one. What is the grading system. It's. One out of one hundred. How do you get to forty-one? It's bad. What is the mathematical equation to get to forty? One for this category have like ten points, or is it just a field? You're saying like jokes. One. Out of ten forty one. That's how many how many points are you penalized? Say That Anyway I. Give it a forty one. and. I think people are curious because the difference is I gave it like a sixty aimed if I'm not mistaken. Episodes Roy in the thing, no I said it was one of the episodes that stands at UC. Kirke, listen in this business. It's one of the does that stands out most to me. I said I think the character of Eddie is Chris pointed out. Really relate in one way. I don't know he's dead now. He's Christ. He's a Yankees Fan. We're Zano shot anyway well. Okay. Fine there you go! So yes, I'm kidding. Of course so Thursday right you'll be. You'll be up again absolutely every. Getting TC at a pretty good tweet. Right before the show started said get ready for the last episode of everybody knows we're laying. At, screw, tweet. This renaissance. What was the? What are we set the over under on an episode there was like seven six half which gets you that which gets you the fifteen sixteen episodes halfway through season one. Anybody else from Barcelona reached out Steve. Wants participate in this evening. If more people have reached out. Do you guys want to hear from somebody who you think, maybe an enemy or no. Can't. Let's let's get Steve. Back Ron. Hiker, I know you and I have been having a bit of a weird timeline lake there now, so but I did as a peace offering. Decide to invite the New York City fans out tonight. Who couldn't make it up? Their drinks are on me I. Want to extend the Olive Branch and they're here ready to go. Guys say hi. All right well, we're off and close captioning with my with my language so that everybody can understand this next part. Hope you guys have a wonderful time tonight I think what you guys doing is a great idea, and you can throw candy at me on the screen right now I'll accept it. Now, is that too much that we are? That's how I will hope you guys have a great night tears. Sports. That's very cool like what? Play along. That's true knows that we've Shit on would do that. People were friendly with wouldn't do something like that. So yeah, what do you mean? I don't know Brandon. Walker said he was going to give us. A video didn't give as a video. Was that true? Your Co host. Yeah well, he's a good guy. Tracks busy doing what all the sports gambling. That's going on now well. You got a bunch of back. That's true. That's true well. That's Nice Kate. Did you shouldn't have to do that? Yeah there you go, fuck the red SOx exact fucking right in the ASS and watching these games boy, they got cremated fuck same Kennedy, right in his ass deep deep in this fucking asshole where it hurts. Help somebody the twenty six inch penis in them in the ASS that would be. Driving screens is fine right? Yeah, you're fine language is. Our. What's not allowed? was used to be a porn theater. No, we were told in the eighties. This was a porn theater. Yeah, correct so I. Mean Like I have to thank you. Dixville Phyllis I have of business I have to like I. Don't have a lot of experience in porn like going the porn porn I do, but in porn theaters a little. You know it's past my temp, so I imagine that's strictly generally for homosexual activity. Oh I never thought about it that way. What. I don't think they sat down the policy. Couples like one year. I mean every little cars. It's a little fuck box. Whatever you WANNA do is fine. Yeah, would you go buy your? That's interesting. I never would have thought of like Porno. Theaters were for guys, well of course, but would you come to a? It seems odd going to come here by yourself doesn't seem as odd is going to a drive through, but. Just jerking off of the car. Yeah, I just think there's a lot of guys I've actually I've actually say it's more less bizarre because you're like in the car as opposed guy next to you. Never got about that. Go there and like your jerk Canisius jerk off! I would have you. We don't know the seating arrangements or do we just a regular movie theater? It's cars. Talking about where where the not actual theater in the actual porn movie theater, the seats, the same stadium seating. Serving food. To Elbow with the? House, I'm I'm just I'm jerking two more seconds to jerk dominance. I'm in order the shrimp. I'm GONNA have a coke as well which I could use by the way Coca Cola. How. Like I would like a cope. Taxes on back in the projection nothing, thank you. Should Fred, Willard and Paul reubens sake all kinds a shit for that, but I didn't as much though later on, and then people under so rubens kind of route I. Guess because he was associated with, he was guilty. And appreciate that. Yes well. That's the thing I think. We associate with a kid show, so fred was it was just bitches became a joke. Correct correct yeah. And by the way, I don't WanNa. Give anything away, but. People should know that you're not just me. There's other greatness in this audience tonight. The Steve's Aligarh guy is here tonight is. That's true. Yeah. In. Guy But yeah, yeah, he didn't want to be mentioned. It is out of his girlfriend or wife. A wife very nice, but he was among you, but he's here. You probably met him tonight. You've probably talked shook. His hand, but yes, he spent so he's here tonight. As well I mean there's real talent here. There is I. Don't know anybody else. Here's talented or no. Not Not up. Steve. But. He's here tonight as well. WHAT ELSE HAVE WE GOT Steve? Sound that you wanna play ruined, react to what we got a big retirement announced. We do this is sad. We do I mean another another blow to radio DOT com. Oh No, you're this Mike I, don't think so. best-prepared Guy The business folks. Tomorrow night will be my last. Regularly scheduled broadcast. I have been the guy. We agreed and they've been great about. That I would stay until sports came back. What. Now sports has come back. Hold on the reason. That was agreed to hold on. Why would they? Talk but sports well, they needed the big ratings boost of Francesa alone talking politics during who had a day who had a bad day during coronavirus people are coming to the radio for Francesa now. That sports are back. They're coming to the radio for sports. Addict Second Act of all. Time. Really. Weird should've just walked away at first time. How long is this clips? Two minutes I was cut back dramatically. This has been a very strange year. Day Me yes, yes, about different things in his house and want to do different things I don't want to have a regular schedule as part of my day anymore. What I want to spend more time with family I WANNA be. House launch colleges I have three of them in high school right now I wanNA. Make those trips. Hold on what changed from a year ago. I think it's different world that we either funding. It's fun, House or New York it pointed out that you just like walks down to his basement and does the show for an hour take? Time away from your kids I'm sure you had a very generous. Wanting to be retired, but he claimed he wanted to do that two years ago in the obviously hated it. Just doesn't want to do what he's GonNa come back in six months ago. No, he didn't get retired. fucking kicked out. Enter done Carey in his his I think that's a big part for Shit. Done with him, I mean He. He goes down there for an hour, and just like sits in front of a microphone. In what was he doing? Giving out the horse? The horse racing order now he's. He's totally fucking mail it in. They don't pay for it anymore. They know valuable that they kept him through corona virus they need. Those rates! He's trading on the goodwill that he's built up through a career that he's now. He's just fucking mail into then he's got a better. Do something with Chris Russo like six months. Once a week or doing something I could definitely see that happening Fisher's known talks about that show, either so he could use the French. That's true I suppose I suppose that's true. I. People tell me that that was not Chris Courtesy of the day. By the way you get firm US one hundred percent. I mean I don't see well I guess now. This guy that. It was a bald guy that blasted Kirk music. That's all to. Me wouldn't make eye contact. You didn't speak so I didn't hear his voice but yeah okay. Basing when your attorney sends the demands, the wrong guy. We'll get. We'll get the right people. John, Venison's working on. Yeah. I talked to featherstone earlier. He's back at work on the MERCH potential. Murchison project, so many fans be ready. Yes, sure yeah. I would say be ready for that. Job You could just address Bob. We know is back in the tree line somewhere with simple non I didn't see Bob. Off I mean. Bob is I've figured Bob a single ready to mingle. I thought it'd be over here. You Know Charm Malaysia with the ladies in there are a lot of lady, Sarah some single as here tonight. Bigger turn on them like. Do you like to be stocked? Have your life ruined. Are you worried about nosy neighbors six acres of you? Just, stare at you! Leave for like seven hours a day you like. Let me ask you something I don't know if you're a dry or wet right now. But like how like what would you give? If I you know clipped sound for a podcast for seventeen hours a day? That is that my my getting a little How does this sound? Very good. Okay! So. How is the? See of seven in there again tonight. no, no just sleeping in the ninety s a hotel, so we'll be hot tub with someone else some other lucky couple. Who is is the third couple here. No, they are I'm meet them, or no I mean probably if you were in that area I'm guessing. They were the ones that were exhausted from a wild night of passionate. Is You do all day? Steve other than this I mean. This this all tomorrow, same thing. a little bit less. Yeah might hit up and you know. What. Time Alcobar. Do a slide I. Don't know. I got to be there to see Mike Timing Mike I figured neuner one idea because that'd be before gates, open everything, but before gates hope. Oh here all. Specific? Thirty. Four thirty five o'clock today was everyone already here basically or no for the most part? Yeah, we're like sixty. And what was the scene totally just hang out and. Seems like it must be nice, though I would think for like for all people I guess I go out and do anything definitely. Yeah, there's been no I was talking about earlier. This is probably the biggest live event that Maine has had all year. Yeah This motto Oscar. De? Concert January favorite things. We're still, but yeah, probably at shows, and Portland's pretty close, I don't know there's there's not a lot of venues that could take this. Many people even even pre. Kovic so I. Don't know the second biggest obt hovers friend's house last. That's true. That was quite an event. That was quite an event. All right well Steve. Well, that's what we've got for sound today I. Think we've got a little bit more a couple of videos a couple more people that want to. Play, those in the second, we'll play those in the moment. First though let's talk about I. Curious. This seems like a nice setting. Taken all these pictures I'll take all these pictures again tomorrow. Maybe for a painter life kind of thing for the and the fans out there you know. I think I think this is a nice canvas up there so much to get us a paint? Your life of what the screen is showing right now. It's a cruel irony, though I can't actually look at look at myself on the guy, look up there. I'm looking away fast. Enough is a little bit of a delay. I look this way I could see. I can't say. So the minute fans are being denied my entire face. What do you mean the moneymaker? By if you if you look straight at the camera, you give them the whole money make. Oh, is it but then I can't see. It's very straight. Hello, hello, it's very strange experience so anyway paying Your Life Dot Com and we've talked about this. You text, sixty, four, thousand, six, four, zero, zero, zero, six, four, zero, zero, zero, a patient life dot com, no risk any picture you want any ran. You'll have this guys take a picture now. You can make a nice painting. A Picture family pick any focus urban done in your life. topnotch artists will do it for you. And if you don't let the final page that your money is refunded, you'll love it. It's guaranteed and right now as limited time offer at twenty percent off your painting. That's right. Twenty percent to zero and free shipping get the special offer text the word Kirk, two six, four, zero zero zero. That's Kirk. Do Six, four, zero, zero zero this probably just. Pull your phones right now. Kirk, two six four zero zero point under. If there's one on one contact with the the fans do we can see if you're not doing it next. Kirk, six, four, zero, zero zero paint your life, celebrate the moments that matter most which crazy as we were going to be. You know we are now. To not quite we had we had June. Was June twentieth for the original Wilbur she gets correct in the second was supposed to be September eleventh correct, and what is it now? Twenty. January twenty first I believe you guys are going to be at those shows. They go BAGEL. No chance will be in January, but that's. Let's see things are opening. No, it's okay with the way that people are social distancing. I think we're totally going to people have been okay tonight. The big I think it is like we mentioned together day. You. Are you ready to do five minutes of comedy in front of the people the Wilbur. Ready for June twentieth. Yeah, because that's when you were you. Did you do any of the? or No. I've yes I've written I didn't perform it live, but you mentioned you wanted to maybe try it out in front of an audience at some point. When things open up men Ted? We're GONNA. Start Hitting Mike yes. I mean the people have spoken. I mean I didn't really hear you guys, did you guys want to hear Mike Stand up comedy or no? Do you guys want? Mike stand up comedy total fucking disaster. You're in luck. You've come to the right place. You know what I have a feeling. This might be a forty one. I'm just going to say. I'm just GONNA say. Fair grading? Ladies and gentlemen. For the first time. And can I, can I get some old on? Can I get some love for the late Great Read Thirteenth Studio? FOR THE FIRST TIME Since read. Thirteenth Studio. Born, would you? Were you born nineteen ninety nine? Ninety one. Coming Out of China. That's been you know. What what's the word you would use? To obliterate obliterated investigate ruptured I'm sorry. What's that? Oh. Of a China that you could fit that drive in screening. But this is not about that. This is not about that. That's not that's not what that's about. The comedic stylings. Of Mr Michael Jerry. Stand up for this or do I remain CD? Induce leads. You could stand for you as well. You guys ready to go for you guys. You guys ready for fun comedy. Well. You See. The Everything I had written down. Eight doesn't make any sense for this and I've not said it out loud before, so none of it makes any sense. Also. It's not conducive to comedy to have people heckling ever touched you. I'm very uncomfortable right now. I haven't killed myself yet. Though that is. A good thing I guess it's a shame. Like having a girlfriend, you kind of realized that having people that care about you as a way of preventing you from suicide, which isn't a great thing because it's a fuck you. I'm trying to remember. Should I've written vaguely I have not said out loud before I fucking hate you. Hold on hold on. That's. Whom Guys? Should we try it again? And again. Because of. It's a dry run you. You screw up all right I'll give you another introduction. Okay, thank you very much. That's what it that's what I needed, guys. You just heard the comedic stylings of Mike. You want some more of that. He's like Louis C. K. if we're just talking about the raping. The comedy, so I'm a rapist, yes. Is he funny, nope. Talented Nope, are we stuck with him because he's blind in the middle of pandemic, yes. For the next forty five minutes I give you the comedic stylings I'm Mr Michael here. I can't stand anymore because my legs are shaking. So fucking uncomfortable. This is a horrible thing to do to someone. Chrome bowls and fire me you can. You can fight made any time you cowherd. This is horrible. This interest meaning to do too much. So the thing about suicide folk. I can't remember just joking all remember I have. No idea I haven't done this in front of anyone yet. That was the point there supposed to be writing notes of anything. I didn't know what was going to have to do this. This guy, what are we doing? Give us have subject lot, remember no. I mean like I said. I vaguely ideas about to shoot about doing the Wilbur. This trial God. You're trying your stuff out. Jesus well. It doesn't make any sense now. Mother fucker just tell a joke. Denser. all right, we'll do this. Out of this or no. Guys I am going to go take a quick break in for the next three minutes. You'll be entertained solely. By the Solo thoughts comedy of Mr Michael Jerry, Michael Jim. Now I assume well I am embarrassed I. Assume everyone knows this is an absurd thing to do to. Someone like everyone here knows that I'm not particularly talented interesting, maybe not prepared all the time, but this is a horrible. Who would possibly be prepared for this? It doesn't make any fucking sense. I know he's not pissing. He's laughing floundering up here. And Fuck Steve is what is he still here now? He's gone. It, what's the deal with politics people? Boy Am I going to die up here I hate this as much as I'm trying to embrace that I know it's. I know it's embarrassing, but it's not because I wouldn't be able to do well, but it's still. My legs are fucking trembling. That is the thing I've noticed and I said this earlier. Why are people so comfortable? Coming up to me and calling me a fat fuck? It's amazing. The amount of people that are willing to come up to a stranger and say hey. Nice tits Asshole, or hey, you really are blind. That's a weird like I call myself blind. Mike to kind of cut that tension and get rid of it, but yes, I am blind so when I look at my phone, I'm blind when I. Miss Your handshake I'm blind when I. Don't make contact with you. I'm blind all the time. There are moments where you have to remind me. was that Sir. No fuck you. When. When do they come back? Because at some point, it's just wasting your time. Are you enjoying this as well I guess. Never it never fucking ends. That's right, Sir thank you. What else is going on the news? Folks Regis. Philbin died on. To shame. Let's, let's talk about death for a few moments really. It all comes down to that where we are going to die eventually. Isn't that really what it's all about folks? This is not work. We're GONNA die and I am dying right now. Like. Here's the thing. Two days two days. Notice wouldn't have helped me. The jokes wouldn't have been any better. Maybe I would have remembered some of them some of the premises, but it wouldn't have been good still so you could have given me two days notice, but the real cruelty is. Telling me to do it now. And let me fucking Die Oh. Do I hate you? I'll come up here with the aucoin celebrates the Suckley actually gonNA. Pick the video. Here's here's a joke. I watched I watched I. Watched Dave Portnoy's interview with trump like two or three times I was cutting up the audio. There hasn't been that much amphetamine in the White House JFK left for Dallas. That makes it worse does he thinks he's helping me? It makes it worse for him to come up and tell a funny joke. Even even an okay joke. that. Katrina jokes. Oh, because that's what Steve did I understand bowl dodgy as well. Let's see if I had good documents hero, I feel like it would kill you. Yes. Kirke Kirke Kirke. I am not an entertainer. You understand that everyone knows. Why would you do this? What happened? Oh my God. It was very rough and I tried to embrace the fact that I knew I was bombing. Negatives work really. Wasn't. Got The. Point is like you should have had some of this prepared I mean the show is going to be in June. Kirk I haven't. Who is that politician? That just pulled a gun out and shot himself on life. Honestly. I thought that's where we were going for. It got. Dark Furlough mydeal. Justice throwing people around there. I would pointed at them I but I would never have the guts to do it so yeah. Our, but I walked up one row just to talk to people and they're like what is going on. In humiliate, Mike seems pretty simple. You destroy. Join the. As. Easy as he was saying, it's a horrible thing to do to. As I was saying on stage I was trying to even acknowledge like there is no bombing because everyone knows I'm going to bomb, so it's not that bad, but it's still like. My heart was fucking race. Do they showed like Schindler's List drive in movie theaters like this I would assume so right I guess receive. That was the porno theaters. About talking about, C set them up in the Bam. You're not. Doing well. Did you hear Steve came up with a joke? Questionable at best. Material Question. What are you going to be? I mean. Are you going to be ready for? January yes, see me and they're gonna hit open mic when we saw tedd earlier a little start as, Roma's. Ted Ted Circle wherever he's cracking. Wise as data's here. He's a big star. Khurana people eleven to see PJ Hubbard I think is the star of the weekend. Those true guiding people through main. He's hitting casinos up. He's winning money Oh. Yeah, Oh, is that right? We'll good making baseball cards excellent I mean. Have you guys seen enough? Of Mike on the big screen, no! Well. I'm entertainer by trade, but I don't know. If stand up is the way I should have gone really I mean I wouldn't mind seeing you in on the big screen at some point in my asking too much for that Mike. Maybe, do yeah. What's what's you know what? Let's take a look on the big screen and see if that can happen, shall Steve, can we? Can we get mad? Let's take a look. You're such a baby. I'm sixteen. What's such a baby about that? Little girl on an empty stage, four fate to turn light on. Your life little girl is an empty. That men will want right on. To. You are sixteen going on seventeen baby. It's time to thing. Better to be the canny and careful baby. You're on phone, bring. You off sixteen going on seventeen fellows will fall law. EGOYAN LADS and ways and Will offer you food and why? Leon Head all you to face so world of men. Timid and shy and scared. All you of means beyond your. Will need someone older and wiser telling you what to do. I am seventeen going on eighteen. Oh take. I am sixteen going seventeen. I know that I nine. That lows I need may tell me I'm sweet and really. I am sixteen going on seventeen and a sente- a rose. Bachelor Dan Dis drinker of Brandy. What do I know of those? Choke to the unprepared. To face world of man, timid and shy and scared them. Of things beyond my and I need some one older and wiser telling me what to do. You are seventeen going on eighteen. depend on you. I mean come on man. It's tremendous work those. People come, out. Give him a scramble. I mean. I don't do this often but like. Other show. The fucking blind fat idiot got. With a with A. Crippling, who's about to die in making out in singing, you know. Who? The so when we came up with these ideas, yeah. Did you. You knew right away. The Alpha and that's all. I think. Ted, is the younger girl made a little more thought I thought so too as cats could casting. We'll thank. We Love Ted Ted is the greatest. Jeez, take? That particular. That scene Yes. Day Our. Director of that project that'd be Justin while the job I just unbelievable work. Come on, so who was the one who needed the persuading to Kisii? I'll tell you. Ted a little more homophobic than the reason. We had the masks. Sure that's the case. The reason we had the masks on was Ted. I would. I would give them. Some tongue might be more corona virus related. I think that was kind of it. Yeah, okay, would you have kissed him on the with Tom? I would've yeah. I was hesitant at first, but I said for comedies well. You didn't tell me why you may decide Rick Solomon here, but you guys WanNa see Ted Mike. Make our tongue tonight. We'll do show pumped. Exactly a great. That's all that we're saving enough for the only fans tear down. True, that's true. What's good? That's excellent. Have you seen the sound of music? When I was a kid? Me Jump Right into it. You're ready to go. Yeah I told him a Broadway performer is really what my calling strange film like is about nine hours long in the end they escaped the Nazis during some live show set set story. Right now on these live shows, but they they escaped the Nazis. On fucking hill at the end right or whatever well the Holocaust really lend itself to a musical. Strange understand. Bizarre but I think me. And Ted really brought that to light kind of the struggle of the Jewish people and really anyone in that era I think so, that was what we saw on that screen. I think so so that's good excellent. Then you said that, Tacoma. Say overall probably an hour. Maybe a little more with the There was some voice over work done as well. Okay, so you guys do the lines. Did you memorize your lines for that? No I mean. We was in the the language they use. It's impossible, so we had to feed the lines. What do you mean Oh is in your ear? No we were just supposed to be in the U. Yeah. We're doing kind of low because there was no way there were some words that we didn't even really understand what they were, so we had to retake it a lot like I am sixteen going on seventeen. Ken Not your. Ken I didn't know that was not your cannon. Yeah, like you saying. Is that him saying that I think it was me. That's what I'm saying is that? Like. I'm not like. In. It's always Ken. Printed out the lyrics he's a really. The ideal male name or something like I'm not your Ken, he? It's a little too early for Ken. Maybe I'm not I'm not sure. That We're just. I. Don't know there you go She started the benefits that why why people hovering around here? This is the place to be making me WANNA. Watch it. It's making me a little little comfort just taking this. So, seriously. What we want I guess so I guess so. So, what's the Barstool Reaction Doing? Have you heard from anybody? Steve other than the people who left messages. Is is a corporate attitude. Okay with US doing this and ready to go. Eric I think so yeah. Erica reach out a couple of times. She beats out today. Just saying good luck and they all. They've honestly been very supportive on the on the technical side I mean they haven't been able to like. Really help with anything, but they've reached out to see if I needed help. Backdrop. This Statue liked three feet up now. Worked out better. Yeah, worked out, so You know they were very helpful in Maine. Bake canvas length tent well, that's nice mandate gave us. He's Jason's out there somewhere. He heard us first day when we started talking about that was like you. Guys are going to be a tent. Thankfully, it's not raining. It could rain, but we got a tent in tomorrow's weather supposed to be the same. Yeah The God is smiling podcast Jesus was. Good doing nothing. Everyone have a good time again tomorrow. We'll do this, and then we'll talk in. The buds wouldn't not been as bad as anticipate all. No no issue with Matt's. They're worse around the tree line, so I'm thinking. All of the fresh meat that's around us is getting eaten by the bugs sacrificing themselves bleeding four podcast. Fresh meat okay didn't think of it that way, but Ms. Thank you fresh meat indeed. Why people constantly honking their horns, but I know there there's either a stray break ins or people going on some apples alarm off. Arm. It's got. It's got to be yes. Mar Flip that car well. They might wear where somebody tell me where. Where is this car here? All right you guys go find this car and bucket take care of business. Follow Folly. Care now stopped. Cowards. Cowards Afraid Who Was it new? You'RE GONNA block. What's that? Was Girl of course it was. Typical. Anyway. It was it was interesting today actually I saw. Our friend Jim Murray the great. Jim Are who's an ally of ours from our friends at ninety eight point five. The sports hub are stationed in Boston. How do you call? You call a six point. Seven, seven, seven, nine, zero, nine, eight five. Six, one, seven, seven, seven, nine, hundred, ninety five. Why that's not what I heard. What do you mean? Jimmy gave the wrong number two that he told me. I did hear that, but he yeah stuff like this I. So he went on the air and had the audacity to say that he watch the Red Sox game last night which I don't give a fuck Tom Karen from Nessin. Why was going along fine with? Had this fucking Hottie like Dale? Arnold tweet where he's like. I put on ninety five and I'm friends with. A big Jim Murray Fan, but I don't know. How can you say you didn't watch the game? If you're so disgusted by shut up, Dale I was about to say you missed the best part where he's like hey. I'm Jim Murray. Jim Murray. Like I'm like this is these people don't understand you know Alabama knows when I was a number one radio personality in Boston. I didn't watch the FUCKING RED SOX game for years, but did you say? Yes when you were talking about the Jim, we'll talk about the red. That's his point, but I would say it's more of a commentary and how irrelevant the Red Sox are that guy that does a strictly sports show doesn't give a fuck about him. But he look what's going to break down the game from the night before. Here's I used to do for the last five years. I was on the show five years. I would watch the MLB two minute. Highlight package. fucking fake it all day, right? It could be like it talking about the red sox that much anyway. I can't believe they made that. Move which we're really thinking, you know it's not that hard to do. Is it was John Dennis Smith? Had sort of yeah I think well yeah, but well. Yeah, but they would talk I mean it's just it's. Like Tom Karen because they work for the Red Sox nail understand that people just want to hear the personality Yeah Fuck it which. Jim Ryan thinks we know about the game, but it's not even because Jimi would watch red sox games and break it down and talk about it, but I just think it's more of. They're not relevant anymore. The you'd rather talk about Cam Newton in August or July than the fucking red sox that are actually playing. What was a suicide joke? I don't know how to describe. It was supposed to be that You Really WanNa kill yourself, but having people. You love fucks you over there. In my mind, where's joke? I understand the concept like I said it's. It's one that I thought of more recently. That was fresher in my mother. That's funny though it's. Kirk I. Haven't I haven't said. That when I did. I Would Sa- I stand up that I did bad. Okay, we can say it's not bad, but that I said. Over by by that, there's no now is the peak of your comedy career is. Just, so we're clear I repeated out loud into a mirror. Two Hundred Times probably should get ready for the Wilbur originally like you know like in whatever before we moved this show. Because Coronas was four three months before. Career took the pressure off. Yeah, put it out again. You're ready for January. Yes if we opened back up. That's the main Taylor GonNa hit open mic supposedly, but we aren't able to do that. Okay fine anyway, so so I texted Jim. I was like. Don't worry about these fucking assholes, like what are you? What do you need these? Doing that it's just such a I think it should come tweet. Like. He's a nice guy. Why is he doing that I? Guess he's He's a nice guy dogging for the red sox. Nobody like I was like a ninety year old man. Sounds like he's works for Ninety Eight. and He's been instructed. You know he works for. The, did he get to say memo that everyone got from Joe? Zarbano or your made half to make it like it's a big deal because that's that's the the the the myth that they've been creating is everyone's desperate taft sportsmen, or even if he didn't get a memo, he probably feels that no one gives a shit about the red sox, so he's sensitive to it. I'm guessing like even if he said he's a nice guy, he's probably just sensitive to it because like him to go after someone look long way of saying like. Jim Murray obviously is a guy who doesn't have time on his hands. He's watching law these sporting events. Sure you know so. It's like you know he's. He doesn't have time to do. Other subsequent takes us professional job very seriously, so the kind of guy is going to waste time doing frivolous stupid stuff to satisfy some crowded drive in movie theater. I wouldn't think so. This guy is all business right so top character shows fucking mouth and appreciate that the guy that is doing this kind of work. Exactly is a busy guy. Thank you, that's what I'm saying. Ou Blue. After a long nap I have returned from my eternal slumber. Yes, it's the funniest precedent. The ghost of Ronald Reagan here. I've been busy hunting. The Dickens out of their insufferable fat piece of Shit Dale Arnold Peers. He might not like scary movies, but that large s of mediocrity shore enjoys a good snuff film. Oh, he thinks he's a ghost hunter, but the only thing that I've seen him hunt down. Here's a creamy load from Ray Bork who? Anyways, it is nice to see that all of you have decided to gather here to catch the corona virus together. I always thought that the fans would go out waco-style rather than Jonestown. Oh! I also see that already lying imitator is still here. He's sober tonight, and somehow he's still less funny than he was hidden. Meadow Oscar Oh, can somebody please send that cross eyed piece of Shit, a Martini or his Chris Curtis already guzzled every last drop of Gin New England. Oh, how about a round of applause or everyone? Just pissing a bottle to honor the man who helped put this together today Maine's favourite anti-semites Steve Robinson. Everyone here's Steve. Here's a Piss joke for you. What do you say to an idiot? Who can't be your really oh finally? Let's hear some noise for podcast. Jesus himself yes. Kirk Shameless Ham the reason. We're all here. A man who's mental instability will all ensure. He will turn on and hate each and every one of you someday down the road. But until that time comes, you should enjoy ourselves and have yourselves a ball. Yes, okay one more joke before I go here's. What's the shortest Russian joke? Communism Oh that's it for me time to go back to Huntingdale. Arnold who who blew fits? He's even bigger than Lincoln. Who Well Nice to hear from? The former president must be exciting for you Steve. It was really good in the screen. I'M NOT GONNA lie, get a little. Throw around this. Guy Who was a big screen star, you was back on the big screen. I would be willing to bet that there were some Reagan. Movies up on that screen back in the day like pornos. Over the probably blatant one. I don't think it started out as a gay porn. Hotspot. Okay was ever involved. Say Her broaden Gary. Somebody might play deep throat guarantee. There was some serious hardcore homosexual pornography, which great I don't care I. Bet there's been a lot of fucking going on in this. Carly right now we'll. fucking, please I'd be curious. Wow. This is. The, what the fuck! Your fucking your car rental car. Horn went off. I don't know what's going on. Inside show I'm surprised I'm which you listen to the show Ronald Reagan, why we putting presidents who? Say are trump is much funnier than porno is trump. Put trump was the funniest guy in the interview. There's no question about that. He was not feeling Dave at all I thought he was okay. I took a bunch of subtle shots at Dave came out he he saw that he saw the jittery behavior. He wanted out I. Don't think that's true. He thought he was being alleged again. He said thick, so what about the comment he was like? Oh, so we're social distancing. He was like porno was to close to him, and then when Goodell was like when he said Yeah Goodell didn't want me in his basement. He said no trump goes. Yeah. I made the right decision. He was privately. I've read his body language. How he wanted nothing to do with was. Car exactly he's. He's being with off the wall. Questions like What? How do you peacefully protest? Well Wacky I mean once you once. You got through the form of premium. I mean day bass. The fucking question Jesus son phone on twitter. That, Well, that's nicer, the foreign president to reach out to us. That was very nice. It is as people are like I said I'm still I am never not amazed and mine. Of course. Mike once said that he was surprised in the minivan, said Hi to me street. That's true. Canadian how it couldn't fill the Wilbur Wright although I'll amend even net because my my criticism was that I was surprised. How many people had such pointed criticisms of me? But now that I meet the people a- one hundred percent believe it actually well, I bet you. People are very nice though when they meet you. The fuck up you blind fat and fuck, not only some of the sometimes. There is something that. People volcan unbelievable, fucking unbelievable tonight I could not be come out. Everybody was so great makes me feel so good as why love the shows, why love these people for fucking nights like this? The greatest fans in the fucking world overly play they to me like I know you get this a lot I, but you might take a picture. When would I get this a lot? Other than here. This doesn't that well. That's okay. That's okay, but now they've been. They've been great. I'm looking forward to in hanging out with them tomorrow. doing this stuff again and I think I. Think the I think some people are gonNA come back tomorrow. Enjoy we've got. Even more stuff tomorrow, even more surprises for the movies well and then we'll. We'll run the show's Monday and Tuesday states. This'll be on Monday correct. Yes, okay, and so Sundays Tuesday remember back Wednesday in and I am off the week after next. Just so you guys now on offer a week so there you go then only then. It might be hosting by himself Solo. All stand up to our shows. Toss this election. It's election season. And had liked to say. Why do you go to politics? I can't even. Straight to politics. Because I know so much about that'd be. so yeah, but then we back in I? Mean you know I will say overall from a perspective people tonight? Are you leaving or are you going subscription doing that right now? I'm not and I'll tell you guys why I'll tell you why. Look at me. I'm look I'm telling you I right now. Because the there are a lot of people that barstool that you heard Robbie Fox last week. Nice kid you heard him. At least Schnitt, all these people want me to leave. It's much more satisfying to stay and make their fucking lives miserable being antagonists. Fuck. Fuck Here's BELLYBUTTON. Fuck Him. That's the point, so will you force them to resign you? They're not GonNa want you here, yes? Resigned only. Pick they're not gonNA. Resign a show that can do this right? Probably. It's my understanding the situation now i. just think you know. If I left. Like, you know because Robbie Fox's like you. Shoot. My point is. That satisfy him right. Why give him why make his life better right K. Marco Win A. Rex Come Markel with win. I understand you guys walk. Kmart beat Kirkman. De What To Be Kirkman. Fuck No! Okay okay. Now I'm GONNA phase right now to start. People leaving Steve as he cars point Oh my goodness FCC Intel is probably the implication. There might be lost. Their fucking tires as made might have needed to leave, she might need to get home. That there's somebody there's somebody here who helped being told me his wife has nine months pregnant right now about to burst any moment and he is here. He said if you see me leaving. Delivery time and I said if that's the case, you got a name Kirk. He says on the West. He says it's on the I. Hate to be the bad news, but you got the tax from the doctor stillborn. Snow. Is Not that'd be tragic. Ended these shows. That's the beauty of. Can But thousand people. To Secrecy. Yeah the last stillbirth joke edited out again. The sales code very simple. But you'd think. Do Sales Go. Is A. Good Argument Robbie Fox. Boxes a nice kid. He's a nice kid is simply don't be mean to his friends. Yeah, like I said. That's new Saturdays for the boys don't be. The shelves sentiment. Just do what kate did and embrace it or you could wind about it. I Guess Kate smells. Like Fox he went on like. Up Kidding I think there is this thing where, but my point is like now it's become in. This is where I get into trouble. It's become the sort of war. Who is going to bender? Who is going to break and I will absolutely sacrifice professional. Personal and financial game to win. That war like Robbie is younger than me. By what twenty years their votes I will outlive him just to win this. I'll be one hundred six. He'll be eighty six. Both the abortionist though. And I will say I'm fucking going anywhere. Fuck your friends, Robbie Fuck. Fuck you I'm not going anywhere motherfucker if you live another twentieth up to one hundred twenty six, I'll be doing this show if you fuckers come in here. Fifty Five, two hundred seventy one years from now will be doing this show, so you guys in. I was in ninety one I will be in Soko main doing the show. Scenario Robbie. Fox also agreed to it. He's like all right on. I'll stay later. I have to seventy one years. Steve Robinson. We three hundred twenty six years old. And that's that's unbelievable. Unbelievable on robots journey to becoming. It all ties it. Just, thinking that that's true Steve there is some girl who's going to have a kid who's going to have a kid will be your wife. Yeah, and it's still be less creepy than DC's relationships. Got Another one in. Here. Did I hear correctly? That was supposed to be here. All, he was teasing. Displays, playing coy could have been a big reunion. It's crushing crush it is you'll never hear this speaking of Dale were but We mentioned him earlier because we talk about Tom Karen. I wanted to put so Dale Arnold by the way a few minutes. Fans have thirty dollars spares I right. Yes, Dale Arnold is on Cameo. He's on cameo right now. Trees Getting bludgeoned already know about lunatics. But you. Did you put together, yes. It was a little secretive. He says the name at the end. That is not mind, because if I asked her mind I think blind Mike. That's probably yeah, so here's here's Dale with a really. You guys remember. I saw people. Today were kind enough to help man. Cox Family. We did the Cameo so I thought I did it in a pretty good way. Here's literally how somebody does if they have not a single thought in their head or a complete for robots. It's like fright. It's really frightening. Honestly Watch so a maniac. Bachelors reached out to me. Kind, of hope that TJ show all the fine dining. Places like subway and all that tell Mike Lay off the shots Steve we cut hope. You'll save some hotdogs for the rest of us. Don't be afraid to have to leave the hotel once in a while. Do some hunting I'm from Maine I? Know what it's like I. Know what you guys are going through. I hope that during this pandemic, you're finding to get out of the woods and enjoy yourselves. Thanks very much for connecting with me on Cameo I. Hope you enjoy yourselves. Thank you guys very much. You guys take care of the maniac. Bachelors Chris thanks so much for checking in. I will say though I was not a fan of his ad, Lib and where he got maniacs. I said it was a Bachelor Party, may him? I want him to say all aboard the mainframe. He wouldn't say give Wiggle Room Mikhail improperly. To read about? Just unbelievable because. Portuguese guys in the Bachelor Party that's right. He's Steve I didn't even realize he was for main. Yes, as a matter like you brings it up. Through that one as well I said from a main legend like yourself, because I knew that was ego. Guess you have a different definition of legend. Jesus Christ but I felt a little bad because I am paying money. Horrible I'm, you're talking about. What's amazing is like a guy who pays women money urinate on him so I. Mean I i. don't think it's. It's not facts unaware. It's a fact. I've seen it married very young age. Talk about that stuff more on. Remember the first time I did this show Dale. During the commercial break, a woman, a regular forty five zero woman walked in. And I didn't know she was and I. Who is the woman who your needs on me during the break into? This. And literally a woman just pissed all over him like a tremendous amount of urine, but he kept that cadence when he said she told me pisses on me to me I said. I said how you doing. She said Wednesday. So. What do you mean so? That's the last day at pissed I. Hold in four days so I mean it was just like. Bam! You. Have you sleep with that much urine in your Steve? Raymond was that I'm sorry. It's all great. The the Pistons Great. I think it's great. What's your take on Jerry? True. WHO's in the clubhouse all the time raping boys? That's you have to pay a little extra for them. I mean Riggs rigs must have some reaction to the Dale News now. What anybody else? I like the. What? I need to know who that is. What? Such shock in his voice yet giddiness. He's Giddy with excitement. Never Seen Steve like work the because he usually facing me. Oh, so you're getting a little how the sausage is made it? Yes, I could see what will house. The Bladder Steve I'm doing great. That's too bad. Did. You has actually Piss when you left him I did. I was working the camera. Yeah, she was fixing. Yeah, I was trying to make sure they know more cameras trying to make sure you really really good. Thank you know what there was a chance though you can just fucking knock it out of the park and I wanted to have it. There was a pretty good. Star moment I mean imagine. Got A black guy. That's a big youtube. The like those who is the woman who is not attractive, and then she was on America's got. Susan Boyle. been the Susan Boyle right of comedy that would have been interesting because when you stand up. Everyone's like well. That's not GonNa Happen Right, but then you even. Yes, this whole defeat! This man certainly know. Knock it out of the park right, but unfortunately and I think he did. Thank you very. Famous Suicide Joe you held comedy down into funding knocked it out. German I have a girlfriend so like it makes me less like kill myself. It was get it. No, no, no. That wasn't the final it was not the finished product would dusted off thanks. I can't lift my arms. I flew in here tonight, right? I flew in. Guy Walks into a bar. Yes forty one right. Would you read that forty so I never girlfriend, who, while right, and that was like really really really really really thinking of hanging myself. Now I have a girlfriend. West, likely less likely gentlemen out of of comedy comes tragedy, so you can cut of bring up a sensitive issue. Said funny I'm not saying that what I'm saying. The topic itself there could be right for. Killing Yourself Sued Way to start. You would think if anyone. If! Anyone's find humor in a suicidal mold. Sweet sentiment, right? It's not really any comic. Yeah like trying to save my life. You know what it's a setup to. Alba come, on up. Here I get the box back. Chronic tried that. That's what you didn't notice because no one was paying attention to what we were doing anymore, everyone was talking to you so I. Guess maybe to get a little juice Khurana was like tour. Have you thought about proposing to Alba? Torchy's has crashed. Joking! Oh Yeah, come on up here but I guess that's what he wanted. I don't know if that's what he wanted to turn the tension on Mike and them in the fence. Oh. Yes. Koroma's better not seen and not heard. Back their produce. He's an awesome job on honest to God. Get Back Ronald little recognition minute offensively. Rape was blasted throughout the park. Oh, is that right before the show? Yes, wow, yes, big moment. And by the way has offered, do blow every man in the audience tonight, so stick around. Chance for some one on one interaction. Game Forever yes. Yes. Good Steve, you could say. 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Hold on hold on. Hold on one second. Ready Steve. I guess the same as normal podcast and I think about it. Is More of the intimacy of the back and forth Steve Are we doing the cameras, working or not working. and. They loaded up Steve Steve. Ready loaded up L. disaster going on here. What are you going to do? What are you do? I was getting busy already. Apparently, what's that? postgame festivities Mississauga. This clear the emergency now imagine all perhaps think of that chronic into ballsy. We're good St. What Gas Harrison are now now there's no audio. You're two feet away from these stupid. Are we back now. You you pump coronas tires happens. That was worth it for A. Take down the entire good job Makhijani somebody actually said, believe it or not. Are we going to be to see you guys up on the big screen? What is the point of Joe Somebody? Hear somebody was here and said. Are we going to be able to see you up on the big screen like earlier today? Why are we gonna a drive in theater? If not for it to be projected on the screen? Anyway. It's fucking. It's getting late anyway. The Gall Ross sick of each other. At this point. We have to fucking through this again tomorrow, but now it's job by m excellent work so Thanks the Milton's. Thanks to where we what else do we have? Paint my life. Hey, my life, your contact us as well which is also pin your life, not pay my life, and you pay your life it's. Your own life. I mean that's the idea. You're engaging in the experience to pay your own life, I suppose some I suppose so any final thoughts Michael Year. You're Steve Robinson before we bid everyone a fair good nights I'm sure people want to get home unless you WanNa. Hang around here anymore. It's up to you guys really. Tired. I would say I am glad. Cool. Everyone knows I guess the worry would be that if you're outside at three three PM here, yeah, drinking all day and all fucked up, but it didn't say it seems like it was pretty good. I. Thou- thoughts from you. Steve before we wrap it up. He probably wrap it up with a mortar to final thoughts. Go ahead. I'll just wondering. Is Mike is going to be back tomorrow. You kinda humiliated and pretty hard there I. Mean if you're back here tomorrow and again here is anybody GonNa be here again tomorrow night. Okay it's GonNa. Be Mike's Mike's not get a little little chance once again that the. Copy you have a whole night. A couple of jokes, yes, okay. Another shot at that. We have a whole bunch of other stuff. But I will say before we go if you want you guys WanNa. See Mak- Ted Maybe one more time on the big screen. Do! We have that. We might. See. It's a video. It says rocking. Cromwell just screams. Fuck at the diary here, we. Were good. chroma screamed fuck at the diary. Can't, do. I can't beat him. Hollow. When they're walking around thinking. We had. Awake so. Yeah that don't matter. I was nobody before. I was nobody. That, don't matter any no. thinking. Really don't matter if I. Really don't matter. This guy opened in my head. So I WANNA do this. Nobody's GONNA create. The distance. See that Bell Rings I'm still staff. First Time in my life. I was just another. Has, yeah, that is really tender I. Think Ted Really made a great age, and it was very. It was I felt like I was being comforted when I was with Ted is Great I. Mean Ten is taken the soft female role. He's almost typecast now. Merely Matlin always plays a deaf person very much, so but I mean he can handle boulder rolls at right shoulder, which you've actually contact with somebody and be brittle and die and break in half. No nothing like that. Concerning to. You. Grab somebody like that like. Are you worried that you'RE GONNA? Break Them I was a little spoon, so no, not at all. I'm saying Gender Day I would say in the dancing. There was maybe a little more of a concern, but it's not. You're not dealing with his legs your. Hands are alright well. That's fair. That's fair. Okay, so we're wrapping up here in a minute. I just want to say thanks to everyone here. And I got to go round earlier. I see a couple of Berlin. That's fine. But I wouldn't mind. Saying, hi everyone one more time. Maybe if that's okay with you, guys at is lineup. What do you think Steve Knew it? All the lineup of the exit doesn't sound so bad. Well hold on. You got any for me, Steve. Along if you guys on the course. Street stall on. Swinging Same Old Song. Cracking. Walsum. We're hustle name. Then Nice guys get washed A. Rain. One man has. On the, Were? Sean. Lag. Star. Satellite. Roy. Spa. All Down when your. Train is take. Own. The Assembly to? Turn! Your. Mass. were. Stars, People. Criminal. Past. Sir. SWAP! Choice here. Guys still hear me. We're back tomorrow night. Will here this Monday go the Kirkman hand show dot com. Thanks for coming. We love you very much and whoever's coming tomorrow night. We'll see one of the good time drive home safely. We love you guys. June. 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Part 2:Frank Mirahmadi, Johnny D

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Part 2:Frank Mirahmadi, Johnny D

"Sirius Xm ports presents with Steve. Aw horse racing and been covering ater. This is the way who was stupid. We're back our two at the races at Santa Anita Frank Mira Monte Steve Beck and joining us now johnny from Philadelphia of course from Bluebell Beautiful Blue Bell Pennsylvania. Where the party? The probably the has a die down yet. Has the the super bowl. Parting Wayne wasn't a party. We weren't in it. Well I I did some lucky I watched it. I did see I. I did see that feature on the chiefs bar in South Philly that you see that story. That's been a popular place. We had a Saint Saint Louis Blues But but I get I get. There's all kinds of bars. Yeah Yeah there was a I think Charles is Charlie's Bar Charles. I think it's Charlie's and the he he won a ton of money. Fifty years ago he bet the chiefs over the vikings and part of the the GIG was part of the winnings went to opening the bar and the bar was all decorated rated with chief memorabilia and his son has gone on with it and There was a whole thing that they had a big private party last night. I guess for meal has been in their. They're very funny story. What do I know about James the city? I've never even been to Kansas. Here's here's the question. Jiang let me ask you this. Good Morning Johnny. Deal ask you this quick question. What's the real story on Philly fans and Andy Reid? Steve's he's happy for him. How do you guys really you feel over there? What's the true sentiment? I think I think generally most people are happy for them and they were rooting for him. Talk too many friends of mine. who were you know the deserves it? He's been around long enough. You know here he he was he. It was a good coach we won. We were lots of games with them. We want divisions we won NFC titles and we lost the Super Bowl But you certainly fest here and there's no. There's no doubt about the coach and he's the players coach so he was always popular with the players so he was incredibly popular here with families. What and I heard you guys talking? Earlier descriptions prescriptions. Pretty good. You Know He. He wore out his welcome. Or maybe this this he maybe this place just got maybe wanted. This place got tired of him. Maybe he got tired of this place. Whatever happened in his last couple years year he was very rude? The thought of your plan and and rock with the media and of course I know the media can be rough back but he would after gaines he would not say much. He wouldn't get specific about anything he would say Well they asked about something that happened in the game. He'd say well that's on me. I gotta put the players in a better position to win We're going to work on that. He never you know he didn't give above himself and to me for these fans for me as a fan. I put a lot of time to watch your games and and and talking about the team and following everything that's happening and you come up here with. I gotTa do a better job five weeks in a row when the hell are you going to do a better job you know. That's why I know the Philly fans are tough. So that's what I was wondering if we're not the just just one quick question site interrupt you but it's part of your rooting for Andy Reid. The fact that the forty niners or not some love fest in the city city of brotherly love. I don't think we okay over forty nine. I'm happy that in that regard for Andy Reid because because I was wondering how old fans would feel about it now. I think for the most part this tent was happy. But he's not he's not belong Like you know this city Dick Dick for meal went to Super Bowl loss. The Eagles of course later and one the rams Andy Reid Law Super Volt Eagles and then walmart the chiefs but nick for meal. Is This Day idolize in the city. He's still he's still endorses product. Guys Been Gone for forty years. He still is doing commercials. And so it makes it makes me think of those those loud Caused behind the center from Mr Moore Ski. I can say I have to cover my ears just thinking about that screaming and the Polish rifle the web courses in the area so my point is this town is filled with dedicated robbing sports fan fan. And if you give everything you have to then they will open their arms and they will love you players players who give everything they have love this town or have chips on their shoulder. Or whatever they don't like the sound so Steve Carlton Greg Luzinski just edge many example. I can think there. There's a guy who's a home run hitter for all time. One of the greatest of all time he was saying they just the he played the game and that was just him come to learn as an adult. That's just the way he was but what's his city doesn't respond to that. It looks like you don't care and if you don't give everything you have you will hear about nice. You know a lot more than that you were telling me stories When we walked in here right before the Breeders Cup that we could have just pulled up into section section end upstairs and pulled up a couple of seats and gone on for the rest of the day? I love your stories and I've told you I love the way you right. It's very passionate and it's It's good stuff you frank here come with it now. What have you done for us lately wondering earlier as you were talking about Steve? I wonder how much that cost him. I hope you're not expecting get something from me. Uh I'm just GONNA get my vow pack in the mail. That's what's coming foul great reference breath Johnny. Our conversation leading in regarding the as we wrap up super bowl coverage the The chiefs were the right. Push and you know I I was I was trying to get I envision. Once once it became clear clear the chiefs were going to win and I I had had that part in the bag then I was. When it became thirty one twenty I had a path to fifty eight and That that included you know the niners getting the ball back with. What was it the minute and change and then going down and getting a garbage touchdown on and putting that Point total at fifty eight. which is what I was after? Yeah the Salvadoran alone. You weren't alone. I the reports are you and the general public. We're not pleased with not getting over that number. Well I think the total ended up three or even fifty two and a half it. It went down as kickoff approach later in the afternoon right Sunday morning. Starting to drop Saturday night and Sunday morning and Yeah Yeah there were people paying attention that your earlier referenced. The fourth and twenty six was interesting and in fact we were texting back and forth. our good pal. Bill Swartz We I was at the game with him and his partner and in the play happened right in front of us the catch was right in front of us. Four hundred twenty six to keeping Eagles alive and it did and we were so excited in the car will say I'm going to name a worse for twenty six and he days right. That's right and I want a couple of races. Yeah fortunately twenty six but That that force twenty six is a lot more important than this twenty but when I said that to you because you were the first person I shot it to when I saw that and realizing the game was going to end on that I eh just of all the crazy things of all the potential you know down and yards that you could have had for for it to be fourth worth in twenty-six and referencing harkening back the to read an Eagle Eagle Them. I just thought it was. I just thought it was. It's crazy. I thought that was the nuttiest thing. Yeah and incredibly weird yes. I agree if what if it would have mattered. If it was a plane it would have mattered. I would've felt even I would've been like freaked out but suggest the end of the game. I've I walked plus I was almost asleep so without that. This is my first time. I've been on the West Coast for Super Bowl and I recommend it strongly really how about everything. How about a world series? When you're you know I can't do good point? DVR My DVR is on. And I have in the morning when I get up even like Monday night. Football Thursday night. I can't watch the end of those games The second half like yeah. Watch the second half so I have to get up in the morning. I have to go straight downstairs. I can't look at anything I can't. The hope is going to pop up. It's happened to me. I know you know out the big great game. I want to see it so I go straight down hit the DVR and and go through the commercials pretty easily. So that's another bonus. That's Great Jiji terrar- I. I was a little upset when I had trouble sleeping I threw my back out badly and I also real pain during the Super Bowl Watching insecure and I just went completely out in sympathy. And you had. He's I'm trying to move brief speed. Falter I I I I I did see yeah. I did see where some people were aghast. I guess I miss the show. I actually watched the first half here at a party. We have and then went home during the show. So there you go perfect I read the recap it was It was great it was it was a good show. I mean there were some people that were gas but I wasn't but I I watched the Bruno Mars. Let's the best that she's he's seen but Our good friend will Schwartz. Sent me a text this morning because we were at a super bowl at the rose bowl That's out flew out to meet me in California. We rented an RV and we super bowl and camped out and watch the game and he sent me a clip of the halftime show. Michael Jackson and he was. It was amazing Lever Mason. That was only twenty seven years ago. Time flies yeah. Yeah but it was. It was a gorgeous beautiful day and I was working in that. It's funny I was working in the first box. You're sitting in that time and I Day called in sick all the way to the only way to the game on the barbecue and when I came back on Wednesday racing Wednesday my boss Jane Gulfstream came out and said were you the Super Bowl. Yeah I was. She said neck in cold sick. Make sure you're not on television. uh-huh cameraman we need to take it for my my brother and and so I was. I wouldn't end this silly south philly scouts mode trying to get trying to take it from someone And One person I I asked was Diane Diane Shannon loved Diana Kennett. How could you not the actors? Of course how many Diane cannons. Ah Her performance in heaven can wait. Which is my number one movie ever as Mrs Farnsworth as good as it gets it in fact the famous thing this is when they asked Mrs Farnsworth orange what the relationship was like? She says very very close very very special. That'd be let's in fact one very very stellar runs in New York and I called called him a few times my girlfriend Jennifer and I. I'll have to ever see her if I just say very very close she'll either very very special or very very stellar. It's part of our conversation station. That scene screen. That was fantastic. But that is too funny. You just went up to Diane Cannon. We were out. You know people going into the stadium. She didn't want that's perfect. She wants a quick transaction. Move on he's not looking for Chitchat. Attack Right in front of me. I said Cannon tickets testing still laugh about that you know they say in sales ask for the business there. You go perfect but apparently there was a cameraman. Who knows zero Dan on and and I run the TV tastic? That's great of the guy who's at the dodger game and was saying because they were prosecuting him for murder. But your attention ascension Harney found footage of him at the dodgers game and it was from the Larry David From curb your enthusiasm they actually they at the game filming and he told his lawyer that was at the ball game. They were filming something worse than what were they. Film Larry Day he went to. He went to production company. Got The footage and sure enough footage at the time the crime was committed. Was this guy that I think there's an hour that it's called. How about that well and and you know you bring up Super Bowl ticket stories you gotta tell everybody live? Some listeners have heard this story maybe twice but frank hasn't heard it so it's it it's it's going to be worth telling Well his mother wanted to go to the Super Bowl in the worst way in Johnny Johnny letter down. I the Oh I don't remember years it was It was probably redskins. I won't say redskins dolphins in the in the Rose Bowl fourteen. Seven many moons ago. That's a long time ago result. Is Johnny solstice turn. Yeah Yeah so so I go I go out to Santa Anita in the morning. It's super bowl Sunday. And I'm standing on the rail. It's which defense which is still there from from caucus corner down to the GATT. I'm standing along the fence and a train from New York Joe Trillo bottle was in California. He brought a string out a couple of horses and And he walked up to me and I had met him earlier. Oh you're through bobby. Frankel introduced us. This is Joe. You know we talking Glaspie and he came up to the fake there next to me and this is super bowl Sunday morning he said to me what's wrong kid. I said I was a kid back. Then she said I said I said my Mike my Mother's visiting me from Philadelphia and the only thing she wanted to do with the super bowl and I I'm gonNA let her down. I don't have any tickets. I'm not gonNA spend a million dollars. Just gotTa tell her can't go so only the racetrack. Could this happen. He reaches into his pocket and takes out a small stack as he peels off. Take your mom to the game. Wow I mean I was always the racetrack. This only thing that can happen and always the racetrack tastic a score. That was Johnny. That's one thousand. Nine hundred eighty three three that can be right. Washington Miami in in the Rose Bowl rose bowl. That's got the teams right. Did I get the final score right. No twenty seven seventeen. Oh what was it. Didn't they. Fourteen seven game early in their life for some reason. I don't know why I remember that it's a bad memory. If it's that far off in the Rhodus Oh the memorial go back to nineteen seventy. Three Miami sat math right Miami Fourteen on seven and that was that was that on a moral. When when was that a real moral most of the stuff I know about those teams are based on Madden Games? That I've played I believe that was a fluke skorts. Oh fourteen seven because he had the over. It was a out Michael's once said. This was the best on Monday night. Football Jay prevalent actually put me on the phone. The only time I've spoken Al Michaels one day because he knows how much I love about Michael's you put him on the phone but my favorite of all the many references to over unders in his day the best one was it was some blowout probably like thirty eight. Nothing in the total was forty and a half in a field goal right at the end and and I'll goes this game isn't over and many of you out there understand uh-huh and I had a chance so so J. One day was at dinner and he called and said I'm here with Al Michaels and he put him on the phone and I express them how much I love. The way said certain things and he appreciated that and promised to add it in because he hid in that particular one about many of you understand what I'm saying he can use that in. The wild news is going to do it that season and that was his way of letting me know that here. You got to tell you I really enjoy your call thank you. I'm glad you've got a great gate. Great Coach and Trevor. And I'm far too many things from from so many hints from past announcers and and that you're constantly critiquing yourself. That's really the only way. Did you get better. Only look at what you're doing and analyze it and say this works. This doesn't work and and sometimes you have the other people's opinion not the ones that people you trust for. What do you think it? s what do you think of that. And he and they'll give you advice and sometimes it's good most of the time it's good but anyway I just I. I was a little upset when you went to the when you move from from AAA to the big league. I was a little upset because I knew we were going to say goodbye to the the multi race caller person my heart. I'm glad you enjoy them while they were around ten I certainly had a lot of fun. That's got me into the game. So I'm I'M I. I know the fans like that stuff. I probably think that they didn't enjoy when like snuggle. Pushed me to against the feared what I I did. I was. I kept snuggle for the BLUEGRASS. Downs audience in Paducah Kentucky. He didn't make it anywhere or else they had to throw him. In at one point Jack King Straem and a lot of fun with those. Yeah they put up so many meaningless meaningless graphics but that was the interesting comparison of. What's do super bowls comparing I guess it it was the jeep. Fifty and and the announcers were Jack Book. Who is the big racing fan by the way the press box del Mar.? He's come to racist to all the time and And now a songs now calling again Joe Buck. UH-HUH I'm a big fan of Joe Joe. Buck takes a lot of criticism. But you know. I think that that's always the case when you're in the spotlight so maybe it's not even that much criticism but I've seen things and people taking shots at him. But I love Joe Bucks delivery. I think it's very clear I liked the way he enunciates and I like what he does. And he's very strong DOC and It's a pleasure to know that he's the son of of an absolute icon. Because Jack's voice was so distinct and the and the the drawback that I have a job to stay next next cowboy right. How about? How about those Eagle Cowboy Games Games during the scab days? Those were some real special treats by the way I was how we fan as a kid. And I know that's GonNa nauseate both you but when I was a little kid. Don't worry that that ended when they fired. Tom Landry so but when I was a kid I love the cowboys. Roger Staubach that whole believe me we had some you. A front runner unbelievable believable. What I look I was watching? TV They had stars on their helmet. Who had Roman Gabriel here? And you and your I mean how do you how do you grow up in La and not be Rams Fan. I just wasn't around. Let me tell you this yet. Merlin Olsen we used to go to this place and you know some of you know you know. I'm a Germaphobe. So imagine this at like like eight eight nine ten part we we lived in Beverly Hills there was a place called Pico baths near La brea and Pico and it was it it was a very convenient ride to Hollywood park from there and and my dad would go there and hang out with his friends and get like a Turkish massage. Whatever it was in fact my friend? Brian calls it the sugar. Of course herb freed. May God addresses. Seoul was in the clothing business and probably some he got a kick out of my eating habits being so terrible and he used to tell me when Seattle slew comes here. I'm GonNa put you on his back. I believed him that I was actually in a right. If I'm not even kidding I really did. I'm ten years old. And he said don't worry when he comes here let me know when he's here and we'll take take care of them. We'll tell this for well. He knew the way I would. He couldn't believe how bad my eating habits which by the way they haven't improved since and he made a deal with me. I told him the cowboys. We're we're GONNA come to to play the rams and he said I'll tell you what I'll get you fifty yard line tickets. But here's what you have to do. You have to eat breakfast. Every morning and has two eggs. I hated eggs. Eggs the eggs and a cup of coffee ten years old eleven maybe twelve just me whatever whatever it was it was right around there so I said you gotta be kidding me but I'll do it so I started eating scrambled eggs and I hated them. And so what I was doing is I was killing the taste of of that with like Weber's red which is the equivalent of wonder bread which isn't very healthy. Sonam eating eating all this bred to kill the taste of the eggs after whatever number of days it was I called him on the phone. My mom my mom call Mr freed. This is frankie eighty. I don't want the tickets. This guy laugh so it was just unbelievable. He laughed and laughed and he gave. He gave me the tickets but we used to go there. We used to watch the NFL today with you are looking live at musburger on these little tiny black and white. TV's but the problem was if I didn't go to pico baths. I was oftentimes left home. He wasn't gonNA come pick me up side of torture through this thing. But you're men walking around going into the pool AMAC. I'm not jumping in. That pool. Slept through the whole thing. uh-huh sandals the share some horrified updates from early on and And it just showed how much I didn't like it. Would I used to tell something that I don't. I'm Karen not coming. And and and once in a while he'd come back from me because he felt bad but man I would just sit there and listen to these guys it would never end the NFL. Today would come on. I'm like when do we get out of here. And then we finally get. We were always there for the first set of changes in our to post with Harry Henson so I thought I was able to learn how to recite all of his deal fast forward to the game so he gives me the tickets. I go to the game. I bet five dollars on the cowboys I remember this. I wore a blue shirt in the ram section fifty. I think I went in there. The rams blew him out. Stock threw four interceptions. It was the worst day ever for me and later on of course that year Hollywood Henderson is slam. I'm Don King as they took the rams out twenty eight nothing and they went on but But when they fired Tom Landry. I was done with them so I certainly understand. There's no love between Eagle Fans and cowboy events and I'm not in Cowboy Fan Department anymore wants Tom. Landry was out I was out to but that was a great team. That thirty five thirty one loss to the steelers in the Super Bowl it was the only guy in North America who had plus three and a half every. That was the big black Sunday. We're VEGAS GOT middled. Not me I the cowboys plus three point five. Thank you Jackie Smith. I wonder how many fans the cowboys warsame they fired Garrett they may again I think they they they they got a net positive. I think I should. I should why we got games coming up at. Yeah well the the play on the field. I I've said this earlier on our conversations Patrick Mahomes uh-huh just He's really something he's really a player. I don't get to enjoy for a long time He he's not going to be young forever. Yeah I know how that works. So let's let's let's revel in his in his incredible athletic ability and Anything it seemed like a good citizen to which is very polished. Yeah very important Fine young man. He appears to be a fine young man. Uh anyone who who thought the forty niners would win a like me. But we're afraid of the homes definitely afraid of my own which I I was It was an interesting game because as you said earlier Stephen Mahomes off. It looked like the forty niners did a great great job of keeping him contained in the pocket they kind of kept Kim from scrambling except for a few times. He got outside. He's able to do stuff outfield southfield. But the difference I think between the quarterbacks was the my home seemed to relish the pressure and the competition I think hit. He did not back down. He was having a rough time at all. But the most of rougher time he had the stronger came back and it it seemed like the other side rapport was struggling a little bit with the pass rush and getting hit and now they're dealing with different receivers understood and the one party. Get out the game that I kind of I think Young Shanahan learned a great deal in this game so you had you had the venerable old coach on the other side of the twenty seven years in the League finally get the Super Bowl. And you've got this forty year old son of a fellow coach on the other side and you know meeting and I think Shanahan learned quite a bit in this game I don't know why you actually texted back and forth. But I don't know why he stopped running the ball when they got up and they had the lead It seemed like I know Kansas City was jamming the. But you know you've got you gotta keep doing what you're good at. And they were running their physical running team and he got away from that for. Jen started throwing the ball little too much. It was predictable Anyway long story short it was very. I enjoyed the game earn much except the money but others. I mean looks like the forty niners were home and then and then suddenly it just came unraveled album. That's the chiefs minus ten and a half and that was a prophet available out there in those people. There are some people out there with crazy glue and tape to put those tickets back together. I want you to mattress Mac. We all know in Long i-i In the horse. I can't remember course popular or oh come on Steve Outside and please read that name out loud. You see that you see here there in Iran jeans jeans the genes. There's a clock. Oh run happy. We're happy and Luke Belair the champagne toast. It should have never had a taste of luke. They'll say it ten times a day. I should probably get a Luke Belair bottle. It's good but anyway Bob Mattress Mack. He bet a million on the forty nine now after after his baseball and football and he's the greatest marketing guy that ever lived which is very word possible double. Here's the thing you know. Let it be known that that that the general public may not understand the Houston Astros stuff was strictly hedged. And I would I would guess and I cannot confirm this but I would guess that he was actually better off financially with with the result result happening with the Houston. Astros not winning the world series this year. Even though there's no chance he wasn't rooting for them. He was rooting for them with everything he had. But in also in the case as to the Super Bowl He didn't really have an overwhelmingly strong opinion. He thought it was a coin. Toss he was getting plus twenty but also keeping this in mind. which was? There's a better line than he had gotten anywhere else but he was running a promotion again. leading up to the Super Bowl whereby the so this was really part of a hedge edged too so it's easy to take shots and believe me if I could ever truly start service that gave out my sports picks with my true heart and like you can't like alter thing if I could start a nine hundred number right now. With my true sports sports picks and people go against them and it was genuine. There would be people paying any number to dial that number because it is amazing. How difficult it is to pick out of two teams who is going to win a game and I think that's the reason that that betters who bet a lot of games get clobbered anyway because forget about beating the they're less than fifty two percent to begin with so it is really astonishing some some some people and and there are others too that are very successful and other areas of their life but when it comes to actually picking a game it's a IT'S A? It's a tough thing and I almost thought I actually thought going into this that when the Kansas City opened his one I thought it was almost a reverse psychology line to get the public and people thinking that can first of all one really doesn't mean much anyway because it's just one point but I just think that the role of favourite is defined in in making it that and I thought San Francisco is definitely the right side in this game because of my theory that defense wins championships and And I thought that their defense would be and I thought Garoppolo if you thought of it this way going into of the game with him only having eight pass attempts against Green Bay. He's not going. It's almost like it's the whole thing about the NFL in general. Don't believe what you just. I just saw the following week a week later. And in this case I thought he wasn't getting the appropriate respect For what he would be able to do and he's certainly through some good passes isn't they ran some tremendous place but then when it counted. It's so hard to finish it up. And they didn't do it and it was actually a very dull and poor performance. It's in the fourth quarter by the forty niners but before then it just if you pick the forty niners you just figure. How easy was this? And the next thing you know you're blown out it's just really crazy How that worked out but keep in mind? The one thing I wanted to say about MAC is I have a lot of personal experience with him dating back to when we met a long time ago and and and look. He's a marketing genius beyond beyond. And he's done that and built an empire in the furniture business based upon understanding standing advertising and promotion. And right now he is very and this is. This is a perfect. He's a perfect example. Where it's easy to take shots and people look if you look at twitter and you see the people making comments about him etcetera etcetera? But here's the thing he's like. If you look like Yahoo News the talk about famous wager mattress. Mac that helps in a lot of ways Lazim and you just never know one day. There might be a mattress mack casino. And you know it'll probably be well furnished if it happens you But I don't know how this promotion. She went this week but I know he's sold a lot of furniture with people that would end up having the forty niners. I'm so glad you explained all the stuff behind it because that the region for my comment I gave you multiple choice. He's either greatest market. Ever come on or were you know handicapper. So that's why the choices during I'm glad you explained promotion because that's an important part of that question by the way speaking of sports wagering anyone who's good at picking the NBA NBA. I want to salute them from this press box right now because the NBA to me stands for nothing but aggravation. Well let speaking speaking of aggravating Johnny. Let's let's get a couple of quick beat the host of information in and I I got three. I got three chalky picks home and any anytime. I tried to get adventurous I I sort of regretted. They ran a lot of seconds and thirds but Always Fun always fun to be the host on beat the the host well. I think you've got you've got all three of the of the Chalk Day you've got those right But again those racist we stepped Out It was. It was tough it was all very challenging this weekend because the tono amount that that a player could picked every winner with five dollar win wage or any choice in ten races on one horse and and raises was three hundred and two dollars. That was the perfect score. If you will Steve You had twenty minutes and looking at the total that goes to Was the high so far to the season and also got Kevin McCartan his total was two hundred dollars and fifty cents. He gets the one thousand dollars prize. John Ericsson second before dollars. You got seven fifty additional and Stephen stanks sixty he wants fifty. He gets to fifty in prize money. And this is the second time Kevin McFarland has won a weekly beat the hosts it's prize. And that is that's a solid achievement. I really had brought to him because that is not an easy thing to do especially in space five weeks to the win. Two of these products is absolutely an outstanding performance looking at the cumulative totals for players this year Ruben genevieve's knowing front. Four hundred seventy seven fifty but Kevin macfarland posing on four fifty one and I looked at the leader Ruben. His He's averaging ninety five fifty in earnings for weeks to get his four seventy seven fifty and I've also took taking a look at the at the winners nurse. The weekly the races in the weekly winners. And it's interesting because you know. Every week is different A- as we said the the the weekly totals have gone. And this is a five dollar win wager. In each of ten races first week was one forty six. Then one eighty eight to sixty eight to sixty six fifty and then trio too. So it's been on a steady climb Except for one week record to sixty eight to sixty six but still growing and the percentages of the winning total like that that is the perfect score. The percentage of that perfect score that the winner has all the first week was seventy three percent the second week of seventy three percent sixty two percent and then seventy one percent and sixty six percent when you when you look at beat the host and you say what does it take to win. Well I don't know if I can tell you what the exact number because winners weekly winners have won with one. Oh Oh seven fifty one thirty eight fifty one sixty seven fifty one ninety fifty and two hundred fifty. So I can't tell you a number number one I can tell you it's going to be a roughly between sixty five and seventy three percent. It's going to be in that range so that's could you have to aim for of of whatever whatever the total is so. Let's see if that trend continues. I think that's interesting. Because while the winner total have increased each week. The percentage is. It's because they're picking the same. Roughly the same percentage of the total every week but the total grown so so the winters have grown. But it's been about the same percentage you can see much time on my hands. Well and and I send you the five totals and it caught my eye that that they were had increased increased five weeks in a row and then later then you sent me the percentage thing back and I got a theory as to why the number is growing and Johnny. You've got the access. Yes I'm sure to to prior years but it'll considering that this contest focuses on Gulfstream and Santa Anita week after week so you I'm going to assume that as the seasons season starts here December Twenty Sixth December twenty eighth this year. The serious racing starts around around the same time January first in south Florida. I'm my guess. Is that with with more regular starts. And as the meats are are you know getting into their their continuity the players are Y- basically getting a better and better handle As to where where they should be betting and and who they should be playing that makes perfect sense. And then you and I had a conversation a couple of weeks ago about we're talking talking about how the How many favorites winning how short the prices were and that was both Gulfstream and Santa Anita and I think we we agreed that? Look the same. The winning favourite percentages high is around forty percent. You know grab one the fifty percent. Grab onto your hat. Because it's going down and and I think as the we talked about how the horses migrate from other racing. Circuits from New York from Kentucky. You know where they come to Florida. Yeah you're going to see them. Settle in and start. There's going to be upset because The abundance purposing costume really seems the large fields so freezing in general wait. Wait wait happens. You're going to see upset and I think they were getting taste evatt. Now we're in. We're in the meat of these meetings now on that topic Johnny. Let's hit J. J. IS GONNA join US next. We're GONNA the do the roads at the Derby recaps with Jay but Your impressions of the weekend racing. What how? How did you view view the three year olds and what else caught your eye? Well I'll tell you one thing hit and I'm sure Franks aware of this Racing history history was made. Saturday was at Saturday Saturday. Santa Anita with obviously BAFFERT's three thousand career win in fittingly. The Bob Lewis Snake couldn't be more than be more well done but the real racing history it was back with first time receiving a trophy. Steve Vicks big moment ring thousand winters but his first time receiving the trophy for feedback. So I I feel the strong group in Santa Anita felt that Steve has been giving us so much coverage on the radio last year that he should be there for this this great moment and it was a great moment in sanitize history. He couldn't you couldn't have scripted it. I mean it was bizarre heath at Bedford I. I was with Baffert on a Thursday morning after the show. And you know he was talking about you know hitting three thousand and of course he and I had that extensive conversation station at University of Arizona December. And I. You know when we'll have baffert tomorrow but I'm not going to spend a tremendous amount of time talking. You know his his career history just because we did that in December with Arizona. But he did say that. With the body and Jill were in Tennessee. Oh Tennessee see and he was he was it was bothering him that they were not going to be here for Saturday but his brother has rather hair. PA and son. Taylor was on hand. Sir I johnny. I assume you saw the picture. I we're really well. I I There was a very tall Ex Football player next to me actually in those photographs in the winter circle and I didn't realize who it was until I heard someone say. Call Him by his. There's well known initials. AC Alcoa countless frequent attender the vehicle to drive. But I'm up. I guess be way news very friendly with with be Wayne and Be Weighing son-in-law was on hand but Going back to. US's Wayne Hughes actually invited me to the winner's circle for Jimmy Creeds. Victory in the Malibu years ago this would have been around somewhere around two thousand twelve or thirteen. I was walking in there and I talked to my new him. From the days of the training races at the fairgrounds he was out there in the mornings mornings frequently watching his horses work and I I saw merlene acid. You'RE GONNA win the Malibu today with Jimmy crease. And if we take a picture I said listen I gotta face radio. Don't tell me that because I'll be there. He says you be there and standing right next to him and that winter. That's great he. He's The guy who loves the game was was nice enough to share that moment with me as is a fan way before it ever called the rates that senator. That was very nice special. You also talked about one of the another rate as we used to call them racing rarity there have when we did the Santa Anita Publicity the Sanity Yearbook. Chris guided had many different names We used to put it together and there was a little piece in there that was racing rarities and it. was you know the last time a race finish in the exact post position order so we run all the run all all these racer so one through. I forget what it was eight or nine or whatever the size of was and that was a racing rarity well that that three consecutive winners read by Ellen points actually you guys talked about it earlier touched on it. That is absolutely an amazing. That's an incredible credible achievements that are small breeder. What was it two of them were right? Yup I have that right to do I mean that is just amazing. Just amazing but As far as I was concerned I mean we start winning. Two three year olds mode now. It's Great Super Bowl ends and you can turn your all your attention toward the racing. The three year olds are starting to You know find their way. I make it a habit not to get too crazy about anything too early. 'cause easily races are very and they don't have a lot of effect because these are kind of made up of horses who are doing it now But I want the ones that are going to do it then so I think that the the the months passed between now and then are very important. And you'll have horses moving into the picture who are moving into top form and and growing and maturing these guys right now are still. I think you know finding a way. Better example is You know his go off. You had to like many things like the pure talent that the source added but at the same Hi Green he was an issue. That's your interpretation of what was going on with his head and I'm wondering because I haven't read any recaps of that. They discussed this and and again he won easily. So it's all positive but there are probably some things and I know jail touch on that as well. But what were your thoughts about him and the greenness. Well Oh and I think part of it is when you know. He didn't like being inside. He was in a tough spot now to his credit. He did get out of that. Tough spot patented kick it in but he overpowered the pretty much. The water gets deeper. Then when he took the lead in the stretch We Wanna say he's Green Lean He didn't change lead until very late. he he drifted in. which you out you know? Why is it is it? A salvage thing is he's ducking away from the crowd is just the way. Here's rick working so many reasons. Why will do what he has got to decide? What my what I'm trying to get at is you can't do do that when you know? You're you're facing the best those those annex. Even though he was running he was still running. But that's GONNA get going to catch up with you unless you straighten your game and he's had a few races now so it's not like this is first rate so the second rate he's he's been around the block he's got he's got to quit doing that. Stuff tremendous talent But so I'm a little the bare thousand words Again one of the BAFFERT's I don't think he's the best backer. One of the backwards. I think the best fabric right now by pick one. I would pick the doll as the most promising along with the the biggest upside. I know it's early for him. But that's that's how it goes you know he's got the most room to improve Thou work did what he needed to do. He ran the workman like he just. He wasn't one of those things where he drew off. Yeah the room and he just kinda gradually got there which is fine yeah. Nobody's GONNA catch him. You know he just kind of and as Steve pointed out you know you can. I think it was about four hundred twenty four Yup. Yeah and and that's certainly but but there there's not brilliance. It's there I think that'll kind of where I'm going is not really. There's not eye popping doesn't mean he's not going to move forward it's just there's not that high popping where you go. Wow you know what we have here. And I don't think that was the case with his wall either because I think the feeling was for me maybe this is. This is a really talented horse. But you gotta knock that stuff off you know and Yeah I think he he also needs to go away. Go Go away go away. Go Away to make. Kids fell down the road bell road. I'm not going to jump on the field. Because that's shocking. OCOEE was not you know and Monday morning quarterback you know he had trouble his peers. Definite trouble made a big run to get back in the race and then understandably understandably flattened out. Give him give him some props but I my overall comment that these all take place and we may have a different horse. We in all these different prints by the time. We're we're closing in We're going to narrow it down pretty well so I'm not I'm not wrong with any of these But you know I'm anxious to see what come well. We've got the one of the big names back next week. Independence Hall and Mike. Trump is very pleased with how he settled in. They talked about maybe going arisen star which is the first of the fifty point opportunities. But they're going to stay home for the Sam Davis You've got the names now. Starting to fill in the blanks. The some some of the asmussen plans Getting locked in for the southwest I noticed I see that As well that Blamed Right Is headed to the risen. Resume Star with Ano- door and of course we're waiting for the sand the Senti I always. I always stress vicinity because Jay. It pleases J nobody to no end that Vincent. Yes that a guy from New York Is Able to say San the center you know. It's funny recently storm. mm-hmm the court. Recently I was producing a commercial and the guy who did the voiceover called it. The San Vicente come on seriously I mean I haven't heard that version of this. Let's not get too fancy. He redid it but we had a good laugh. He's a big Fan Dan of Of the game so it's not like he's just out of nowhere but he had happened to do that. Voice over in Suffolk and now I know why we pay the voiceover guy but Yeah he came with Vicente. This is the name that I presume a question I could ask you because pesonality I could pretend to know. Yeah Yeah Larry Comas who showed me One of the ways that he found out have have the pronunciations of words and things he had an they would go to and I thought that was incredibly interesting and But the word the name that sticks with me is only or what you only are unique. I've called her own but it could be uni. I hope it's unique joining the British firm for university. Your that's true. That probably answers it. So it's unique. Thanks for that correction post-racial corrections. They WANNA my favorite things at least months later. But I know you could be. Yeah when he sounded good and it could be. The point is my point is I don't know I guess the only person who knows in this case is the owner right the loony. I Uni where did you come from. It was unique high. I can tell you that much. The high school Near Westwood growing competing high school cool but good question. We want to be wary. Seven on the Amazon. Fine the show all or nothing going to recap the Philadelphia. Eagles Eagles are featured on that show. I don't know if you've ever seen that. No no thank you thank you. They follow a team throughout the season. Beginning you mentioned Chin this very cool very cool well. The seventh is what that's this week at the end of the week coming up from the well I'll be in Vegas for NHCD. Yeah well that sounds like an on-demand opportunity about what you're not. It's not like they're spoiler. 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Anyone who beats those automatically qualifies for a Ah shot at the beat the host championship. And that's another twenty five thousand dollars so do today we're open. Its the DOT com. We're all you're always open. Johnny operators standing by exactly call. Now this is the time when you're supposed to say but wait there's more now host bonuses. The there was. There was a horse that ran at Monmouth Park last year. Debut doing as seen on TV. Those guys nice source. That's a nice horse. Kelly brain those guys that that that sold items on TV just like the commercials and Anita one of them neither as seen on TV nor chance at neither one of them showed up for the holy bull after being after expecting them to show up. So I guess I don't have to waiting for the for the founder or what they're doing. I don't know just giving a different aspect. Steve I know you know you like to keep track of this but you not thirty three people out of sweet those competition. I'm surprised actually. Wow down to eighty four players. There's a there's a three thousand dollar bonus to anyone who can with all nine hosts and we're down to eighty four players with four weeks ago. Cool all right well. Then then. Then we're sort of tracking toward the you know maybe a dozen or so that That go into the last into the final weekend With a chance chance and they'll split the that three thousand if if there's three winters they each get a thousand etc so well done. I'm surprised that I knocked that many out because really the the one that I regret. I don't regret the only selection I made that I was sorry about was Picking roadster over midcourt. That was just stupid those just plain stupid dope and I I and I sure why that I just sort of I because I knew midcourt was going to get that but then then roadster ended up going favorites. I'm out. I'm glad you mentioned that because I don't WanNa very strange that John. I'll give you a good angle. John White morning line favorite. That don't go favored never win. They win often. Didn't quite the way around Sadie if John when John White makes a horse to favorite and the public fights him I'll go with John Wayne in that match and I and I can i. Can we document that. Because I've noticed it like in other words and there's some kind of close it's a two versus a five to two and let's just say it gets flip-flop you'll find that You might be better off just sticking with the morning line odds maker and again the morning lime oddsmaker isn't giving his pick. He's giving you his assessment of WHO. He thinks favored but In that circumstance and that was another another example of it where they fought the morning line. And you know keep him here. So you've got to think about about you gotta try to understand. This is just a side note. What about morning lines in general if you know the morning line maker and this case you know John y you know that he has done the necessary research to come up with what he feels is going to happen? Happened and in this in that case of the rematch between roadster and Midcourt they had met at del Mar and midcourt bloom away. They're meeting again. I don't think John Why doesn't know that. This is hall of Famer Bob Baffert on a card that is going to be a very big one with. He's going to have had winners that day. He knows this because he's assembling this morning line in after the fact late in the day he knows it's happening yet he still didn't make roadster the favorite in that. There's something to be said for that. Because he's telling what he knows that but he still oh thanks to public screen and make midcourt the favorite and in that case what I read it as saying that. We're midcourt is the superior animal that it wasn't a fluke that day and it turned out to be true it doesn't there's always work out that way but I've actually noticed in the last couple of months sometimes because John such a perfectionist. He wants every morning line favorite to favorite in fact for him. It's better if they go favored. But then if they win because his his his whole thing of rating himself is based on the percentage of accurate favorites identified. But that's a good angle. If you're debating late you know. There are things to put into consideration as you're making your decision to make a bet and That's one to keep in mind that Like it he probably has the speaking of beat the host one of the host. You gotTa beat. We beat the morning line maker. Maybe when they make 'em favorite over his horse they get schooled. Johnny honey I appreciate it and and Frank John John White but are most successful host. So far this season he served as host We we three. I believe it was and he has the highest winning total. So far doesn't surprise me. That does more homework than anyone I can imagine in doing where he's trying to get it. Perfectly Johnny Yeah. If you get if you get a chance off the air can get Frank Mir money to be a host. Maybe next year's myself all right we. You'll be one of the hosts next year. My last handicapping seminar here would quickly went to the Pegasus. I wish we could delete that video because I was. I was pitching a shutout and it wasn't the kind that was coming from the mount. A I'm game. If you need me. If you want to keep the players players involved sure bring it up Johnny Dean everybody. Xp Jenny Johnny Will Talk To you from Vegas. Yeah yeah that's a good trip loved. Wish I could make well come on. Let's go jump Jeff aboard but we'll take a break we're about the fifteen into our three. J. Preben will join US next Frank Mirror. Mati CPAC formerly of the green sheet if you want to go back into his past performance plants wow longtime ago. Wow was that was that was was he working for the he was writing and hand. He's already San Gabriel Valley newspaper. The green sheet was right in the middle of the you'd pull out J. Princeton sites. We always laugh about that love it. Well jail. Tell you about it next. He's going to give us the road to the Derby we update which He wrote up the watches. The replays of all the three year old races and gives basically the extended chart style. Comments meant that are just great and that includes for horses that were up the track and into the J. will hint to you what they. What their aptitude? You'd be down the road going back to surf. Turning back to sprints there's lots of lots of insight to be gleaned off the road to the the Derby reports Jay Prevent and I think we'll take J. right through the end of the show with frank. It's been a little bit of a different Monday. 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We're going to bring in a big time friend of the show and friend of US personally J. prevalent and I told you before the break think that Jay used to write for the green sheet which you had to meticulously pull out of the Daily News When I was a youngster and I've known J. for some time my I work on television in the industry was in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven or ninety eight one of those two years? Jay was working right here at Santa Anita the shows that were I believe on Fox sports channels or one of those local affiliates and I filled in for J j Kind of took me through and train me on what to do and how to say things and how to get the really how to ask questions a good part of his advice. Remember what my first guest on that show. When I was filling in for Jay it was Jack Caraba who is a tremendous interview and he was recently a guest on With with Quigley as well. He's just a guy that will he'll help you. Maybe you I need some stories. Just send it to Jack but Much respect for Jay Primm and who also participated on the Friday night shows here at Santa Anita years back where they would Talk about the big racist coming up and many many winners given out by Mr Ferman and on this show is well Jay. Good morning guys right. So are you doing pizza for breakfast. I actually brought pizza for Steve. I even brought my toaster though joke. It's so and I saw because I wanted him to put the pizza and I don't I don't believe people's fingerprints should be on one's food so I brought a ziplock pizza from vetoes as well as Santino. I was disappointed disappointed not to have some Valentine's in the fridge but the winds were so ridiculous that The toaster pizza remain in the vehicle right now but I actually actually told Steve I was making him breakfast for the show and I'm here a lot longer than I expected. I thought I was here for like ten minutes. That's not the way we work I I know I know a good thing when I see it the J.. We had a morning here I that was surreal with with these winds yet found like it. was following hollering along with the satellite. The trees got knocked down and and They had to cancel training. So hopefully it'll just be a one off and we've back at it tomorrow morning but Safety First Yeah I this was. This was an odd. I was so looking forward to you. You know being down at clockers corner With the line restored and save it for tomorrow. We'll have baffert sheriffs and Mandela ideally and the J. Just a I think a great start to February. It really felt like after last week as you and I discussed discussed the the other day in the twenty nineteen in the rear view mirror and the attention really turns to the classic trail and and we had a very good representation in Florida. New York and California Saturday kind of sensory overload trying to follow not only those things but there were so many the other good steaks on the undercard of those of those days as well but yeah it was a lot of fun to see those three preferences you had. The weather's in New York Holy Blue and Florida. And then the Robert Louis out here at Santa Anita. I did my correspondence analysis of all three of those races. And they're all up the D.. The R F dot Com. So you can see what I thought of the performances of all the horses and who I think moving forward or who I think might You can take a powder on the derby trail uh-huh well it seems that consensus at least in terms of figures the buyer from Tis the law. And the way in which he basically Lee put the Kentucky difficulties behind him It seems to be the place to start the performance everybody Still talking about certainly only the most dynamic performance is like you mentioned. He got a buyer figure of one hundred. which was his career? Best and right up there among the best of this crop is produced produced so far The the good thing about it is that he bounced back from that subpar race in the Kentucky Jockey Club I thought the second horse of the also ran. Well you know the Knox though Steve. We've seen something. tis The law in his three in in his last three races. Now that I think is something that needs to be corrected by the time it gets to be potentially and that is he just doesn't appear to like being on on the inside He had an outside perfect stocking trip in the champagne and look terrific. He was wrangled back to get outside decide on Saturday and ran great but when he was inside the other day he didn't look like he liked it down there and he certainly didn't appear to run his best. Ah I think that's obvious in the Kentucky Jockey Club now was it because he was inside on the Kentucky Jockey Club was it because it was under the lights Churchill downs off track with his other potential factors and maybe just throw a clunker that day but he was ridden the other day with the obvious intent to stay outside died and I thought it was actually weird that after going into the first turn in about the three paths. That Franco allowed the horse to go down to the rail and he was in danger of getting trapped trapped again as they turned into the backstretch and he was just lucky that other than htay in the end it was a pretty empty field and he was able to wrangle back and get outside and he looked terrific after that but that would be my only quibble with him right now because everything else does obviously very talented. And he's this is champagne was terrific and this ridic but boy if he were to draw inside the Derby That would concern me just on what I've seen in his in his three races So hopefully there's time for him to learn to not be intimidated down there Or for his connections to feel comfortable comfortable that he's not intimidated down there. But that's the one thing about him that I'd be concerned about this but there's a lot more to like than to than the you know. Pick out here. Because he's very talented. One thing that I for those that say to themselves Al's Oh well the Barclay tag and he make the yes and all you have to do is go back to funny cide where Barkley ended up changing the bit and giving him a much more comfortable bed a leather or rubber bit. That was easier on his mouth. They they discovered ultimately ultimately that he had a tender mouth and they needed to make that adjustment and yes Barclay tag fully capable of doing what's necessary cassagnet forgotten more than most people please not a concern exactly exactly and really making his presence felt on the at the races. Fantastic Jim Hill. Show something special. I was GonNa ask you about what you thought torments this weekend. What did I think kingpins performance? The Guy hit seven home runs against this. The Eight there you go Toledo B- Tomato kind of was getting some notice obviously they're gonNA they're gonNA have to regroup I guess with him and Jay won't we're on that topic and before we talk about the other two perhaps Some thoughts about what went on in the swail earlier on on the card with green light. Go come back and mischievous Alex actually performing quite nicely. He ran a dynamic namic race I saw the foul stuff that My colleagues Mardi McGee and Mike Welch produced yesterday Coming out of the two races and specifically in regards to Mr Does Alex it sounds like John. Service is of the opinion that they know what he is is which is a a really really good sprinter and they're not inclined to try and go down to the Derby trailing tournament to a mile and a quarter kinda horse I thought the other horses that that were you know. Well regarded going into the race had slightly compromised trips But they certainly can improve off of that but nobody was beating the winner that was just he was just too fast for them. Going seven eighths and now the other ones will get a chance when they stretch out Hopefully we'll see them next to the Fountain of youth for weeks exactly green light go on titled as well untitled The acquisition for Kassian Kassian Barber Didn't get off to a good start that immediately compromised him and green light. Go kind of gotten on track late and Jimmy using it strictly as a launch pad for the three year old season. Let's go up to New York before we talk California and I I know Jay you you pulled out The adjective stagger fest A little bit Down the stretch From what I understand the track was plenty deep but still FIG came back a little soft some thoughts about what we saw in. The weather's right so this is where I think help you because even though the track was obviously deepen tiring when you do the variant for the day that accounts for that when when a final figures produced and the weather's got an eighty six which is a significant cut below. What's going to be needed? Moving on Max Player the points in in his favor that he runs his though. It doesn't matter how far races he's GonNa be just fine Going out to mile. Obviously we're only a mile today so going out to allow a quarter mile and a half. That's not going to That's not going to get this way. The the concern is that just as figs are are not anything to get excited about yet. you know an eighty six for him and obviously the other is getting even lesser asser figures. This race for for me was the the weakest of the three on Saturday. The other thing about Max players that he was ridden a- as though he resented the kickback could see going into the first turney was not comfortable and Dylan Davis got onto the outside. They were willing to give up the ground loss just to keep them away from from the kickback And that's something you can get away with when you're running in a race where you only need in eighty six to win party. It's not something that you're going to be able to get away with when you need to be faster. So you know it was only his third start He's got a right to get better of but this group on the whole to me is is a cut. Boil what You know the division leaders. Is there any allowance to be made for these sophomores running nine furlongs at this time of year and that with added maturity and and you know added Added Opportunity. You know they they might go forward. I mean this is the sort of falls into that rumson category. You know where where we you know. We wonder about. You know horses at that stage of careers going nine panels right and you know for instance shots who won the rams and was second in this race the other day so he's had that experience going that far but so for instance he got an eighty two on On Saturday and the thing I like about his race is that. He got tackled by several several different horses along the way and he fought them off with the exception of the winner but I was kind of underwhelmed by his REMINGTON. And I just think you need to be taking a step forward at this point your point. Yeah there's certainly the possibility that running at these distances now that was gonna wake them up better for what they're going to be asked to do in the coming three months but I'd rather take a faster horse at a mile and a sixteenth right right now than the horse is significantly slower the mile. Nate that this at this point They're just not you know I I think you know. For instance if If the random island eight the other day I think you've seen an equally dynamic performance and you just didn't really by the eye test on the weather's I was lacking for me well and that that gets us to the inbetween race. Between the you know the impressive visual will of of Tis the law backed up by a strong FIG and here at Santa Anita we watched the still still undefeated thousand words do what he seems to do which is run at a steady clip and assuming that has the distances stretch out. He'll he'll be able to continue to plug along he. He's a different kind of baffert three year old ways. It's much more of a grinder. He's not a brilliant kind of horse But he's obviously proven in this race and then in his previous start in Los Alamos futurity that he's really tough to get past and one of the things I noticed about the race the other day and I also noticed when he ran in the Los Alamos futurity is that even if there was a horse. It looks like they're making a run at them not only in the race that even. Maybe you get to the wire. You're thinking oh well you know that horse galloped out better but you've watched the Gallup out he stays in front. He's extremely competitive horse. He does not want to let another horse get past him. And even on the Gallup out the other day nobody. Nobody went by them. So that's kind of his style. He's a grinder. He's a fighter his six or in the low nineties. That's what he's done. Got a ninety one in the previous race and ninety two in this one so he needs to get better better but he's obviously the kind of that. If you get in a dogfight with it's GonNa take something to to go by him The others in the race I thought Royal Act ran and a good race considering it was his first. TRY ON DIRT after a couple of races on grass He gave up some ground the whole way going wide but he he kept plugging away and I thought it was an encouraging effort. One you you seem to in order to move on the the one which I want to talk about a little more there is high-velocity who who finished third in a lot of times after races over the winner gets a lot of people are like. Oh my God what a great right. That was a lot of cases it was just merely you were on the best horse. The ride on high-velocity was fantastic. And if you get a chance yes I want people to go back and watch the way Joel. Rosario rode this horse going into the first. Turn these sitting as quietly as you could possibly sit on a horse. So much natural steve that he hit the top and you could tell Rosario was just trying to nurse him along. Make sure you didn't go too fast too soon. He was so dead yet still on that horse and as a result I thought he said moderate fractions. You wasn't going too fast. I thought he gave him every possible support. Chance to succeed going a mile and a sixteenth and he just wasn't good enough Shipping at town might be in his benefit. Neil perhaps going to oaklawn will be in the cards for him next time but looking at him down the line my thought is if he couldn't beat that field with the way. The race unfolded Saturday. Just don't see him being better against at longer distances in a in a hotter paced race but I I really call people's attention just it's subtle but I just thought it was the way Presario rode. That horse was so good and it just it just didn't matter the horse. It just wasn't good enough but my God. He's just sat so still and gave him every possible. Chance to win. That race baffert said afterward that that The the effort the spot Jay that popped in his head for high-velocity For when the nine furlong for a long tricalm's he said was sunland. He said I think this horse could that horse could win at sunland right well. That's ruminating right. Yes I mean but of course you know it's still good for the resume and it's a six hundred thousand dollars. Six hundred thousand might be eliminating to eight hundred thousand there you go. Yeah Well this was This was a I thought for a thousand words for him to sit and part of the reason he he sits so comfortably in that pocket is because that's as fast as he's going to go but at the same time he as opposed Jada Tis the law there there. He sat eating dirt with horses abreast of him and to up in front of him and he was very very comfortable in inflated lady in France Hands Very much though any any split horses at the top of the lane to to to go after the leaders and eventually win the race. I mean that's the mark of the Horse. Who is we saw? Just in the way he he finished the race off this time and last time in the way he galloped out he just a fighter. He's not going to back down from challenge. He's not going to be intimidated being inside or having to go between horses and those are things that are that are in his favor but he just needs to be as as we progress over. The next few months probably needs to be a little bit faster in terms of his his performances but in terms of his competitive nature He's he's right. Yeah can we can we have you touched for a moment on Bob Lewis themself and maybe your experiences in covering him and and team baffled and such together and course he had horses with Lucas and others to but what are your recollections of Mr Lewis. I just wanted to all time. Great People I've dealt with Franken in the sport e and his wife. Beverly both had a great passion for racing Won a couple of Kentucky. Derbies obviously silver charm with baffert right but also charismatic. With Lucas both horses won the Derby and preakness and and then failed to to win the Belmont stakes in the case as the charismatic dramatically. So but that's so many other terrific horses over the years even Serena's song for instance and they were just And and Lewis not only with the stuff that he did for for racing but he did a lot of stuff for Jeff Lukas specifically when he was seriously injured Louis was on the board of one of the local hospitals here and it was Rehab Center. That jeff needed to go to. There was just a lot done behind the scenes in that regard which I remember from back in those days So not only the top horses he had but he. He did a lot of stuff for people in racing behind the scenes to classy and always wanted to the desk for the sport. Let just thought very very highly nice I I i. I don't know where I was at the time but Somebody somebody called the BAFFERT. They they said Robert and his head picked up and he said the only person that calls me router is Bob Lewis and used to call them Robert now. Does this keep Jay. Does this keep thous words on the Mackenzie Mackenzie track stay. I mean he's so far is you know he's he's had the same kind of story. ARC is the McKenzie. We'll just have to see you know. Hopefully in his can you see can make it all the way to the Kentucky Derby not have a knock down down drag out battle in crap that ends up costing both of them Their best chances at the Kentucky Derby McKinsey McKinsey in Baltimore they just they both were There the middle part of the three years were compromised by the battle that they had them prior to get Derby. Well and You know it's funny for Frank Invoked Calf Wayne and badge of silver Earlier today off the air and When you when you mentioned that J. it also makes me with the Fountain of Youth not far off now makes me think of the read. The footnotes seconded June. Yeah that was one of them me. Read read the footnotes. He'll still got onto the derby that year for Rick violent and but he both those horses were never really the same. They were just absolutely crushed from that the from that range that that race I remember that they just absolutely went at it And and just it was just too much too soon for both. I just knocked them out. Agreed Bobby Frankel ruined that. Kathleen Badge is silver showdown with peace rules that year so much for that showdown werner versus Baffert In fact the daily racing form had the story and J road it about that did the which was Ronnie Werner and Bob Baffert Hooking up and that was a nice little You know rivalry going on in the press box the team Werner Chad check snyder and all them. When I got up the morning to drive to work on the day had calf Wayne shaving cream on my car that was that was fun and came up to the press box and had a couple of words? Chad took a look at his. I and I realized that's about all I should do. And maybe WANNA back off the line makers were lining up and it wasn't a matter of what the line was. It was going to be a matter of what the time of about was going to be. Conor McGregor situation was talking to last long leaving so I took a look at him and I said this doesn't look like a good rivalry ethic I'll uh Except where I stand in this matchup funny Jay. We're probably not going to talk on Friday. It's a light week anyway but An important horse go coming up to another race. And that's the same Davis at Tampa Independence Hall and all system seem go for team trump. Better Right Marty. McGee is that horse worked over the weekend. So you saw that Martin Keown set it up there for us so we'll be on site coverage From him at Uh Sam Davis and they've got a really good undercard That day as well I think I think got stormies. Running in the making I started again the grass as for older fillies and mirrors on the under card ice. But you know there's a there's a non points scoring race. That is very significant. This coming weekend Stephen. That's the sand. The sentate take a yes on Sunday at Santa Anita Storm the court who is going to be making his first start since winning the Breeders Cup juvenile and burning the divisional eclipse award vis-a-vis that victory he's GonNa make his first start as a three year old and the San besetting site. Speaking of Bob Lewis. That was the same. The Senate was the first start as a three year old for silver charm. That's kind of an old school way to do things to come back and seven eighths race and then and then stretch out to turns. That's the way it really Stevens used used to do. It and Charlie Wittingham used to do it I did. It was silver Charleston. Peter is GonNa do it with storing the court and he'll come back there and then move on from that so couple uh races this weekend. Certainly worth keeping an eye on well and Jay Beyond the road to the to the Derby Conversation Conversation with frank here and given how much sort of a press box press box chatter conversation. We've been having this morning morning. I years perked up when I heard about the green sheet and I figured that had to be early early days for you on the STOMP that yeah. That was my first job was at the the Daily News Los Angeles. That's my first job out of college and back then all. The local newspapers sold an on-track racing. edition the La Times. Did the Pasadena Star News did back. Then the Herald Examiner was in existence. Eh terrific racing section And and the paper. I was at wanted to do that as well. And so they had a little four-page wrap from the outside of the paper at the track but they'd also put it inside the paper as frank was saying if you were a home subscriber. You really had kind of hunting for it. But it was in there there. is part of the sports section and it was a four page wrap with articles and consensus box charts from the previous day's races. So that was that that was the the old They call it the racing green. Who was part of the Daily News is the sports section back then by the way speaking of first jobs my first job job delivering the Herald examiner? We lived in Westwood between my fifth and sixth grade. Years and I delivered the Herald Examiner. I was making fifty dollars a month and I remember. We're getting a bonus for outstanding accuracy and I got a five dollar bonus when the guy came to my house to pay me. Give me an extra five and I was remember this guy at one zero five. Three Five Wilshire Boulevard. That would leave. He was the end of a hallway and at Christmas. He would either lead me one or two dollars an envelope because he asked me to please slide. The paper under his door was always like one or two dollars very crisp one or two dollars. Those were the days no surprised prized my Breakfast of choice back then at the Dell Capri Hotel on the corner of West home in Wiltshire near my where my route was Oreos in grape soda. Wouldn't shock anybody buddy. Who knows you know to Jay it? You and I are with Jay notably Jay and I are the exact same age. You're fifty one. Oh so you're you're so you're younger than us by a margin I thought you were. I thought you were older. I don't blame you know. I thought you were like fifty sixty seven that not not not not not significantly Jay. Who was who was in this press? Box of renown that Ah from an earlier generation that we're legends that you know that was exciting for you to sit Close by well I mean and back then and still to this day. The the undisputed King of handicapping and knowledge and the Oracle is Jeff Siegel. I mean. He was the the. The boss applaud that and he's still unbelievably good He's just an incredibly gifted handicapper. But I mean like I was saying earlier all the different newspapers had reporters and a lot of them had a racing reporter and a handicappers. Well so for instance the Herald Examiner Hammerhead Gordon Jones Jerry enemies she the La Times had. Uh You're buying Abbott and Bob Hiebert. We're we're still will around then The he was getting long in the tooth. But there was a gentleman named Ernie Mason who was handicapper for the Pasadena Star News. His wife name was Louise Heard Louis. Lucky Louise So those does I mean those are some of the people from back. When I first started out this is this is in the early eighties after I got out of college And it it was. It was a pretty dynamic situation back then because we're just so many people in the press box Bobby Frankel would hang out in the press box all the time that he would sit in the second umbrella at Santa Anita just opine on the different horses and riders and it was very educational to listen to his insights. You might be like hanging out up there. I can tell you that in the eighties at the clubhouse entrance by far the most vocal in promoting their paper was the gentleman and selling the Pasadena Star News. I picture him right now. I could easily. You could put a lineup of fifty people and I. I'll tell you who that guy was used to say Pasadena Star. That guy was loud and effective in his sales will get your attention on the way in here. And I've been getting the Star News free. You know on the on the in the hotel every morning and I got the Sunday. Sometimes they won't give you a Sunday edition but they. They did this Sunday yesterday. And the Star News is running is running. Agate they're running owning entries and and and charts and they've got a guy you know covering and wrote the whole Saturday card up so I I know people are of a mind mind Jay. The all the newspapers aren't covering anymore but I I will start. News is always done on a good job covering racing. They're they're now owned by. There's there's a newspaper group. It owns a lot of papers in southern California And Art Wilson is the lead right or for them but they also picked up Columnists who might be based with a different paper but also to share the content and It was it was nice to see you know someone like Mark Wicker for instance at the track on on Saturday. You bikes all different kinds of sports. And you get a guy like that out there. WHO's one of the absolute best columnists in the country And having him way in and you know he he got it. In terms of the story of the day that day for General Sports columnist rounded was which was leased searing winning with Midcourt and the whole connection to Kobe Bryant and Kobe's back and least hearing silks or are the same colors as the Lakers and I was just a perfect kind of story for a columnist. Like that to to to do and it's nice to have a guy who is interested enough in racing to to come out and and do it when it's not as beat Jay. How much how much occasion did you have? I don't know if I've ever asked you this to deal with Jim. Murray or shared shared some of your other sports coverage. Well he you know. He loved racing. you know quite a bit And you know. Unfortunately I didn't know him as well as I wish I had. I I was. I was in a company several times obviously over the years but I was actually more intimidated by him and I shouldn't have done because he was very nice guy but he was just sort of. You Know God like I think you could make the argument. He was the greatest sports columnist ever. And he it was. I felt it almost intimidated by because of his his talent. Not Because of his persona amuse certainly gracious person that way but his His second his wife that at the time Later in his in his before his passing and later when I knew him was Windham Wyndham McCoy. Murray who actually is now in fact Mary to the trainer David Hoffman and she has kept Jim. Murray's legacy going with a charity that I always support It it offers scholarships for students at several journalism scholarship. Sports Journalism Scholarships for students at several colleges around the country including Jim Murray's Alma Mater Saint Bonaventure And so it was actually more through her that I felt like I got to know him later in in his in his career And unfortunately you might remember. The last story ever wrote was on the Pacific Classic. That was that was in nineteen ninety. Eight Adum. Are The free house. One that was the last. Pc of wrote he passed away the next day I had her. I was aware that I didn't realize the I didn't realize it was the last thing ever wrote. That's amazing it a- and certainly fair to put Jim Murray in in the Red Smith Granny Rice argument as As great a sports columnist number you just wonder where people like. Where does he come up with? These words just Telling ability to tell the story he was unreal. One one of the things I love when I got the college was going to the library. A colgate and you know they. They have all the periodical. They've all the newspapers from from around the country. And so I mean growing up Hartford area the Hartford current and we had we had good right. Claire B and. There's some good very good writers. Riders in fact Jim Murray was from was from heart. Grew up in Hartford He was Hartford Native But Jim Murray. It was one of those columnists. I'm as a kid you know that I love to read and I can only imagine what it was like You know and and you know to work nearby and and and I remember I grew up in you know in the in California so I mean I I had read him for years ears right getting the La Times at home and reading his column for some time as a kid. I mean I I so then the be there like I said it was it was it was almost you know intimidating because having read in for so long. You're like you know I I can't compete with this time. Now has a gentleman named Arash Markazi who just took over and he won the Jim Murray. And the Alan Malam would things at USC as a kid you know grown and then all of a sudden now. He's in this position like it's hard for him to wake up and look and say wait a minute. I'm actually writing. I used to read here and I actually have and he knows with it comes a great amount of responsibility. And you mentioned Alabama. Who is the press box? Stand Linda after he obviously was around a lot of the day the Herald Examiner columnist was another general sports cars general sports columnist from back then. I love racing into the trap. All loved he was very kind to me in one thousand nine hundred four. He wrote me up in the notes on a scorecard from Hollywood closing race calls by the way I was just corrected by my girlfriend about fifty. One I'm fifty two. which was like? That's fantastic well. This was fantastic. I can't thank Frank Miramichi nearly enough for spending the full three hours with us today. Everybody enjoyed it because I've already heard from people Jay. Thanks for closing out the morning with this as well. Great Guy Good Getting the other night better. Jay Berman. Everybody D. R. F. Primin and we'll catch up with Jay probably now next week because we've got the NHCD stuff off and so we'll save it for The following week and frank will save the final closing. I WANNA thank. Johnny is well but give everybody a couple of a couple of uh-huh pizza joints that when they come to. La when you come to La. Here's what you have to go. You have to have vetoes. There are three locations. There's one in downtown one on one in Santa Monica. It's an excellent excellent New Jersey slice. If you like a real training sin pizza you get the politics on Santino in at Santino on Whitman. Two doors north of Ventura Boulevard. But make sure you get the Neapolitan. 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Jon Weinbach: Producer of The Last Dance & Executive VP at Mandalay Sports Media | #ThePlaybook 246

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Jon Weinbach: Producer of The Last Dance & Executive VP at Mandalay Sports Media | #ThePlaybook 246

"On this episode of the playbook I have legendary John, Weissenbach, executive, producer and executive vp at manly sports, media, but more importantly, the producer of the last dance and he's going to teach us Michael Jordan's lessons that were revealed in the ultimate sports film last dance. Join me for all this more on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook. Each Week I. Bring you some of the greatest athletes, celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success, and what made them champions on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host David Meltzer. Day meltzer with entrepreneurs, the playbook and I have John linebacking. He and I are already soulmates. We would be here talking all day, but we only got a few minutes to get into his playbook to success. He is the executive producer and executive. Vp Mandalay sports, media, and one of the producers of the unbelievable, and maybe only one of the. Best, content is available today. The last dance they God for John Wi Bach in his crew. Because without it, there would actually be no sports content. Welcome to the playbook. Thanks for having me you know. I was so excited when I first heard about blast, aunts and Then obviously, we had this nice pause, and it was like a necessity for me. You know I. It was literally waiting for the Super Bowl every single time. I got to watch it because you know you're starving for something good, and it's really good inside loved. It can start on the playbook to successive in. Oh, how does a Beverly Hills high kid goes the Yale and up. You know in this position. Do probably create one of the most renowned documentaries of all time. I'll take I'll take that intra. I'll take that intro. Well the. Short. Long Story Short Story I. Guess is I got to Mandalay. Sports media through my partner and my boss. Mike Tolan who I got to know through the ESPN thirty for thirty series. So I, you know the way back stores I was reported with the wall. Street Journal Coverage Sports. Talk. Show for ESPN shortly thereafter alive. A documentary style profiles athletes went back to the journal working in L. A. and the executive ESPN show that. We had done in two thousand one and Jamie Patrick offers very decorated producer on his own right we. Sort of came. Through the ranks, we did the show together and he's. You know they're doing this number we've. We've heard about this thirty for thirty series well. Our friend Connor Shell was on our staff on the live. At ESPN rose through the ranks. He's now you know the president of content great guy. He was her leading the charge that this documentary series and was like Hey. I think we think we can get ice cube direct one. What should we do? Jamie asked Manson well, if we got cube, let's do something about the raiders and Nwea. Grew up in La. Fan Raider Fan and there was this nexus between. You know as you know, pro sports and hip hop. That was really fused. You could say by run DMC. But really by NWEA wearing the raiders colors and creating this sort of indelible image that fused hip hop, and specifically sort of west coast, hip hop with with with a pro team and the gear and all that Gamer. Anyway. I got to know Mike Tolan. He was the out of the SPN producer that and charged with like your Mike Tolan. You're the guy who created artists and one. Tree Hill Smallville and your massive sports fan and an academy. Award nominated documentary filmmaker. We it on hand Garin. Help US build this brand so I got know Mike through that, and it was sort of like cheese. Wouldn't it be great to work with this guy and so we kept in touch over the years and I. Produced a film called the other Dream Team that got into the Sundance Film Festival in two thousand, twelve and Mike have been telling me maybe starting this thing with with. Goober and so, I said Look Mike. If you actually start that I'm raising my hand now, so it's came out at Sundance might call me and we launched this company in two thousand twelve Mandalay sports media with Peter Guber as executive chairman. You know doing sports content across all platforms. Okay, that's the short story. The that's not even the long story with Jordan project, so I had heard about this mythical footage that existed shot. By about Michael Jordan's final season anybody who kinda worked in sports, media or dealt with the NBA had heard whispers probably at some point. And it came to our attention again. sort of winter break Christmas, break twenty, fifteen, twenty, sixty and I will maybe maybe now it's time and you know there have been various producers. Frank Marshall Spike lead any veto a lot of people taking a run at this. And give it to. Mike, he had the gumption. Really think that. Hey, why not us? You know why not him? He had a great track record. Why not our company were done? Good work. Obviously, Peter is a NBA governor, so we went, we went to Toronto I to meet with St Porno in Curtis Poke. Who are you know? Michael's longtime partners, gatekeepers and advisers that went well Mike is good meeting there, and then we, we sort of set about creating this big look book. Adak Super Dak on the on the project. That mapped out. You know I think we did one version at six one resident eight one APP at ten Mike Call, Michael Meet with you in June of two thousand sixteen. The, stars aligned. Michael said Yes, and John Wish I can tell you. Oh, yeah! We started production that actually know. We started about a year and a half later. Yeah and. Brought a great director Jason. Hare who I tried to hire three years earlier for a different project. We you know he's done. The fab five dock, and at Temple thirty for Thursday, the Andre the giant HBO. and. He assembled a great team, and so then we know that's so. We went forward for two years and the plan was to have. Come Out in June and things changed. And you know it was really an internal conversation that we started happening chooses the world. Stop is like hey, we try to get this out. And there was this clamoring from social media as or those two impulses mixed. Right and so you know biochemical Karuk and with just an insane amount of effort Um. We're able to get these shows done. You know so interesting because you has an entrepreneurial side of things and somebody who people look as I've been blessed to do stuff with Angelo, Peas David an SPA, the third Indiana Jam, the five hundred, which got killed in two thousand eight, never came out a will right, and then now doing another movie with Piso. You know I'm a lawyer. Right I literally. No. Talon Yoga Media Entertainment on marketing and salesperson, but the two things that resonated with me as one I'm like you I hear of cool projects and kind of lay a C. going. Hey, if you're an elite. Elite taught me this Lee Steinberg because he worked on our list Tolan Right. He was the technical advisor tireless in given him the stories from being a sports agent all those years, but just raising your hand and letting someone know. Hey, if you're going to do that, I'm interested and then the other thing you did that was very sports agent like is fears of influence like a lot of people that you mentioned that were making a run at it probably made a run right at Michael, and they don't know how projects are made or done right, and you use the spheres of influence to get alignment so that you have the internal power sponsorship as you call them sponsors you call gatekeepers. Yet very much. I mean I. Wish we could say we were that smart I mean I think that that is part of it. I mean I look. I look at sort of I mean maybe because I was a reporter I and I always. Sort of come to the world through that prism of like Hey What's the story you know every project is story. You know I'm a story. You people like to use highfalutin terms I'm a storyteller. Yeah, whatever you are a writer producer director. Your some you're. You've got to tell the story of committed people. That's worth tally and so I. Still Kinda look at the world through that Lens of like okay. I was reporter I had to convince I had mostly female editors were largely a paper known. Known for its business coverage. This was not a place that was easy to sell stories about sports business traveler entertainment if they weren't really shaking business stories, and so I had to convince them to hold proposal process on every story so I still we still do that now. Every project gotTa do a treatment. We gotta do a deck. We've gotta do a Susil Real. Also a lot of that is is crafting story and I think. With with the Jordan project, it's the combination of. Timing opportunity and the right. Kismet in what I mean, and so I think the fact that. Mike's Profile helped I think the fact that Peter was on. You know part of our team I think our company's track record. We've done thirty for thirty S. we've done sundance docs. We've done academy nominated docs all that kind of stuff help that we were not a fly by night organization, and also the timing factor. You know I, think part of the problem in previously was that it was either too close to Michael's retirement from the Bulls to close to retirement from the wizards, and then in the early years. It's call it in the last. You know earlier, two thousand eleven two thousand ten eleven twelve. He was still. Getting acclimated as an owner and so. The fact that we were coming to him at the same year that the wizards were about to break the wizards that the warriors were about to break the Bulls all time record helped, and I think it's like it was originally in. Two thousand eighteen. It was like Oh. It's twenty years. That just is around number. The made sense to people but I wish I could tell you. Hey, you know we have thought out plan and is going to say yes I think we shot. Hey, let's take our shot. It feels like it's time. There's almost a full generation that's past seen him play. Let's go for. Awesome and then my curiosity to the business of media content is that you know people can't film right now and if they do, it's a new form of zoom, or whatever aspects is going to be some creative content coming out. As you know, but I would think that people like you in your group have some really good projects in the CAN. That may be then sal, or was it launched in the? Have the hottest thing. Available are more people coming to you for that content that repository well you know the challenge, the Yes sir, a lot of incoming people eight you know would be interested in doing X. Y. or Z.. We are currently editing we have. A multi part series coming out for showtime on the history of the comedy store so non-sports Project. And that actually grew out of. A Project Yup sure that this. Ashore family. So, that's GONNA be Great. Yeah, no, and that actually grew at it. The originally was sort of again as Nellie native. And Los Angeles file. You know what I mean. I I love our city in its history, and its institutions, and so I've driven by the commerce for my whole life, and I did a story for the La Times years and years ago about the comedy store actually when it was sort of you know what people may not realize is it's gone through waves, and that's what sort of makes the series really interesting I mean it was. Completely Revolutionary Rock and roll place in the seventies and the eighties, and then it had a kind of a real fallow period in the late nineties and early two thousands, and now it's like the golden era of like Letterman and Leno mean any night, obviously pre corona virus. You're talking about like a lineup. Seven deep eight deep of people with netflix specials. I mean it's crazy, and so it really is a vibrant and vital place, and so that's what we're. Exploring in the series and the director is Mike Binder who you know, a decorated career as writer director, but start as a standup comic. At comedy store in the sad. So? That's really cool, and so we've got a couple of things hopping, but you know the the the the reality is especially. Difference scripted unscripted strict. We got projects that obviously haven't been shot and unscripted most of the stuff that we were shooting. We're editing now and so the next town is okay. What can we do in a responsible way with the timeline we have? It's a lot of unknowns. Where do you think the gaps going to be so I'm trying to figure out with content not. Available as far as shooting in the most part, you know wit. Where's the gap? GonNa come. In in the media business, you think. To fill that need for something new. I, mean you know? I don't know I. If I if I knew I would probably be bothered. Me? I mean? I think you know. It's a human problem. It's not just an entertainment problem. It's not it's not just like what's. Where's the gap in education? Get Account whereas egg entertainment. GonNa come. And so I don't know I mean I think. Look what? You've experiences I. The Zoom Calling Fain. I do think that this these kinds of discussions. We've seen with Ted talks on Youtube I think. This kind of discussions, certainly people can be can can consume it same way when I find that like you know it's. It's sort of a more enjoyable way to speak to someone rather than on the phone I. Mean I think. If. We have to do this permanently or semi permanently. It'll get less fun. I can read time being I. Think people just like seeing another human you know, and so that part of it I. I feel like you get a little more honest conversation. People are a little more you know human. Yeah, I, think you know the whole distraction in multitasking. Find Myself because I am definitely perpetrator of this I'm the king of putting on speakerphone and doing six things, and I can't do it right and I. I can't do it now. I do because I am so thirsty. Thirsty for this type of interaction, because I'm blessed, meet totally interesting people like yourself in person all the time. It's just like. I forgot we were GONNA. Do this while we were talking because I was like so back into my being of like. Oh you, John. SOCAL this like we're talking about our histories and carry us it all this stuff like this is what zoom is so powerful bore. Is that okay go? I made a new friend, and that's right right. I mean it's just. You know where you were in California. Now like this we can. How Nice was it outside? And there's just like you know on the one hand. Is it terrible to say like my kids bike riding anywhere and there's it's nice, but like I kinda want this but I kind of like this. It's really look. Were I'm very blessed, you know. Aside from obviously the success of the show, everyone healthy like are my job. My wife has job, so that's the most important thing, but you know for us. It's been. This, incredible very surreal ride to have you know you'd hope over the past five weeks. You hope in your career one project. That has one third or one tenth of the Zeitgeist of the Jordan project and the thing. That's all you know. We talk about this all the time at the office like you have a lot of projects that are kind of. Ignored you work your heart out to him and you might feel really good about it, but they get ignored or criticized. This one's being justifiably praised. I I feel I. Mean I'm very proud of the team to travel job, but like the fact when you have people thanking you for a show. From the from all over the world, because it's on net flicks outside of the United States, and so you know family, friends and Argentina or Chile or Israel Canada's. Holy Shit. That's pretty wild. Yeah, it's awesome. I did a show elevator pitch, which was digital, and then all of a sudden people was thirsty. Right I see at eight thirty every time. All these different places I'm like that's just completely. Lock Right. It's a decent project is no the last dance, but I think everything was normal. It still be the entrepreneur you know. Digital project now is like getting some play because they're so thirsty. outside to talk about one more thing, because so many people on the professional side. You know they don't connect the dots backwards, right? There's A. A certain attitude with an aptitude that allows you to have different options and put you in a position to be successful regardless of what happens externally to certain people and John. You're one of them that I could tell you I don't know what is GonNa be you know like I can say? It'd be executive producer working for media company, but you know when you go to school, and and you're a good student. Obviously go to Yale. What was your visit of yourself you know? What were you going to be doing in your mid forties appearing damned meltzer's podcast. I mean listen idol I I knew I wanted to. What was my dream I wanted to own the Lakers or be a professional partner. We still can do buddy. Don't Zach. Last hasn't been real successful. We gotta get this going. I mean honestly I was really I I'm obsessed a one percenter of sports decrea- probably hard score basketball baseball soccer somewhere in those in that area played a lot of soccer. So and a lot of baseball put a lot of them, but in high school. Choice being soccer and basketball for just such a soccer, but No I think. I knew I wanted to be in the. Media Entertainment Business. I watched tons of movies. I read a lot I. Mean I really was obsessed with sports illustrated I was wanted to be a writer for sports illustrated I, thought that would be like the greatest. And I knew kids. I have no idea what we're ninety. Your writer for sports. What sports illustrated? Yeah? And and I just always I grab i. read the newspaper at an Early Age I. Think because my dad in and. He's like Oh. You should read the sports pages like you might find that interesting in La we had ease incredible writers Jim Murray. Mike down in the sports pages and I've I've said this before. Growing up in the eighties in La was the greatest time ever to be a kid as sportsman. Canes Lakers dodgers dodgers the Olympia Raider. Occidental because they let me play football and I always say it's the one school that let me play but Sam farmer and I be. Okay so. He dreamed about it. He's like this, is it? I'm going to work for the La Times. It's I knew I didn't want to be a beat reporter because that will was like a grind I wanted to do you know writing and I thought it whether it's magazines or maybe screenwriting or baby, directing and then. You know when I was at the newspaper. It's funny. I I remember speaking to Lee Steinberg. In nineteen, Ninety, eight or ninety nine, after the rams and raiders moved, and he was in part of this effort to bring back the rams. Yeah, and he's the president of save their save the rams, and I remember I. was you know really into the sports business? As a business and I remember thinking I, don't i. don't know if I want to write about this as a reporter I think I should be doing this. And so I had I had some issues like. Should I go to LAS war, so they're going to business going onto that I'd have a lot of. A lot of people, my exact cohort are the new leaders sports business whether Theo. Epstein was my college sports center. and. All the android runs the dodgers I. Think Years Younger Than Me. Similar back background. Maybe I should have done that. Running to But but You know I think i. Knew I wanted to be in the sports industry and I gravitated to the storytelling part of it because I love that I would gladly general manager of a major league soccer team. Or baseball team. And so maybe. But I. DO I want to be in this in this business and I think that the stars align meet the right people, but I think at the core of it. It's you know I wanted to write, or and then it became producing, and then it became. Directly producing doing interviews, I love just being able to talk to people so. That's kind of what I saw myself doing exactly what that meant I don't know, but but I knew I wanted to be in the sports. Industry, give you a little inside. Being friends with you know Tanenbaum and more add in those guys. Though he told me it's much better to be friends with the general manager, then to be the gentleman I exactly. What's interesting? People Thought Oh. Why don't you want to be a sports agent I? That was also something that that was part I knew I didn't want smart. Yeah, I didn't WANNA do. I don't know I just never. That was not something that ever appealed. But Friendly all honest words ages, but that to me see Mike I don't want to represent someone else I'd WanNa, represent, meet, know, and so that was. That was. I actually said he's things I more important almost to know what you don't want to do. Because if you know what you generally wanted to, you can figure now, but. I don't WanNa do that. That helps because it's like okay, and then you know what you don't WanNa do that. You also need time to figure that out. Ask Great Advice. LA- last thing about it by celebrity. Go John Really it. If two young boys, you know we, we have son, tenure boys right around my boys age and I'd love to know what's the best piece of advice that you're giving your. Your kids about this experience right I believe in experience values in them trying to give my son good advice about this specific experience with learning at home, and you'll dependent make and fear and uncertainty as a whole bunch of things that I'm trying to process, and I love people that are in your industry, because you really have identified human nature. You studied in your story teller her. What advice are you giving the boys? You know besides not playing for. You is. In its gratitude, one of these things that people throw around but I. do think you know. Esp Look I can only speak from my experience. We've been extraordinarily lucky during this time. We've had this incredible project that I'm very I mean beyond grateful to be a part of and like it's given us. Something really positive every Sunday and it's been stressful in this still not. Four plus years, and this and that and the other thing and you know it's not been a joyride the entire time, but but the whole time I will tell you is like and there's tried say the kids is like. Speak grateful like we got this. You know like we. Nobody's God. God thank God like. My my parents are healthy. My wife's parents are healthy like you gotta try to remember that and I know it's annoying like my kids want. Play the League. Baseball and night with my older son was going to play in Clubs Baseball Tournament Cooperstown I. Don't think that's going to happen And so we played, we played catch as much as we can. We go bike riding. We try to make it like. At least let's do things we wouldn't ordinarily do because it's just. It's just crazy because if you sit in it, it's just too crazy out of. Scary. Yeah by the light love and lessons and everything. Yes, right there together and I just WanNa. Tell you how honored I am grateful to become your friend online, and hopefully someday in person by congratulations, most of all job well done. You deserve it. Have Fun with the boys. Maybe learn fortnight as well. He play catch by. Take Care John thanks so much. Thank you so much for joining me on the playbook. Hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note I just wanted to thank everyone for making the playbook such a success. Don't forget to continue it by sharing subscribing and listening to your favorite episodes is day Meltzer with the playbook.

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Hour 4: World Series starts tonight!

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Hour 4: World Series starts tonight!

"Where's your haircut gone? We know you don't get out as much. You don't drive by regular sport clips and pop in for that MVP haircut experience that is so much more than a haircut but isn't it worth getting out for the data legendary hot steam towel for your face massaging shampoo that makes you melt into your seat your remember that right? Clips found your haircut. It's right where you left it sport clips. It's good to be a guy. G Sante Willin Zubin. The podcast. We can smell that stench here in lower Manhattan because you know the NFC east team that occupies this area of the country ain't much better aid smell much better that would be the giants or the Eagles no the Washington football team who Dallas has next it's keyshawn Jay Williams Zubin were presented by progressive insurance. It's a beautiful Tuesday morning here in lower. Manhattan South Street Seaport Jay we'll be back with US tomorrow we've got an action packed hour here was mouth hurts awesome pain he went to the dentist and as I mentioned yesterday in our polarized country, we can't agree on anything but everybody can agree nobody wants to visit the I wanted to be in pain obedience sleep all night long. Yeah so I want actively rooting for him to be suffering. Textile. Yesterday. I hope it blank blank blank blank. Did he takes you back? Some, I forgot what it was. Hopefully J. will be back with us. Tomorrow. I'm going to say feeling good feeling healthy ready to go. We're taking your tweets all morning long the Dr Pepper twitter feed about the cowboys who's more to blame for this tobacco in big D Jerry Mike McCarthy hit us up key genes Z. Call Eighty, eight say espn eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, seven, six. That was the Monday night football game that we knew was on the books. For months switched to Monday night just a few days ago after the Kobe breakout not too long ago switching the NFL schedules all over the place Buffalo in Kansas City Buffalo started four. No. They were the toast to the NFL the pats on the division eleven straight years of changing of the guard. Hang on buffalo's now lost two games in the last six days and the Josh Allen Hype Train has slowed just a bit it has. The first four games of the season they were averaging thirty eight or thirty point thirty point, eight points a game they're only averaging the last two losses sixteen. So there's a big swing in a lot of that is due to the offensive productivity by the quarterback you look at, you can the interceptions that he threw against the titans you look at the strolls against the chiefs when he had receivers open, he decided he was gonNA throw the ball to other places and I think when you? Rushed into certain situations. This happens the quarterbacks just did he doesn't look like. He's in sync. So to speak like he was the first four games of the season or the first three and a half games of the season good. It'd be because the quality of competition the last he'll losses have been the titans and the chiefs, and as you mentioned sixteen in one game seventeen in the others is anything to do with possibly it could be but I think it's just sometimes. People have your number they know what your tendencies are. Because now you have four games of tape teams typically go back for games to watch film. So you have four games of footage plus now that these scouts in advance scouting coaches could study and look to see what is it that he does well, and what is it that he struggles at in the things that he struggles at from a defensive standpoint they'll put that in their game plan whether it's certain blitz packages whether it's blitz zone whether it's manmade coverage where there's just simple confusion giving you one look at the pre snap read and then another when you snap. The ball and that's what's happening keyshawn Jabil Zubin presented by progressive insurance all guests including Major, League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred will join us at the bottom of the hour nine thirty am eastern of course, keys, dodgers, and the raids in the world series. Tonight on the other hand it's been amazing. We've been on the air now three plus hours we have a when's the last time Patrick mahomes played again the next day we'd barely talked about him, but he wasn't great last night but he did do something that's notable as he continues his amazing. No no, he was great. He did exactly okay what he was supposed to explain. Two touchdowns two hundred seven yards I think twenty, one to twenty six. What else do you WanNa rush for two hundred, forty, five yards on offense I don't need the dot did exactly what I was supposed to do I lead my team victory I didn't turn the ball over when they needed to make big throws I was able to make him that's exactly what he's supposed to do. He did pass Dan Marino I just want to get your thoughts on this because anytime you pass somebody like marina or somebody like that it says something fastest guy and this is not an arbitrary number one, hundred nights number, but let's just call. Football. Yes. We'll see you in Buber in the playoffs that we're edging that way the return to Keyshawn NFL Primetime? I got mentioned this fastest to ninety ever. I would assume hundreds of great number but he Maria was the fastest guy to ever get to ninety burritos rookie I. mean the first couple of years are unbelievable but Patrick Mahomes fast and ninety in history the NFL, I get it. It's a throwing league different than. But, Marino Okuda ball. Time. For his. But this is just another notable accomplishment in what is just turning out to be just a career for the ages. I mean, what can you say other news? How did you pass on like? That's the only thing you really can say about pets no good answer for that none at all he's done everything you expected for him to do when he took over for Andy, for Alex Smith Andy Reid saw something and he saw it in practice we never saw. So they made a decision to move on from Alex Smith and go. Patrick Mahomes all they've gotten out of it is an MVP couple of playoff appearances super bowl title I mean they could have had to super bowl titles if it wasn't for the toe in the in the neutral zone, the D. Four, the DEFOR toe in the neutral zone, they would have got our hand in the neutral zone they probably could have gotten to super bowls out of it. So for was referencing if you're just Trying to jog the memory to figure out what that was two thousand and eighteen AFC championship game. That was the one that the pats wanting overtime at Arrowhead and they beat the rams the Super Bowl ten three but would keep essentially saying is a pat drive is kept alive because defoe actually had a great year for them. That year lined up maybe just an inch more than he should. It was called an obviously it extended the Patriots. Dynasty. We're going to talk to the great the great wide receiver we're going to talk to the four time Pro Bowler Roddy white of the Atlanta Falcons. He's coming up here in six minutes as the Falcons are certainly in a situation where they need to totally and utterly turning around I'm going to have you answer the Dr. Pepper. Poll question today again, hit us up to date say ESPN Eight, eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, six, three, seven, seven, six, excuse me or hit us up on the Dr Pepper twitter feed key J and z more responsible for the disaster in Dallas. Jerry. Jones or Mike McCarthy will take some calls if you're ready key, give us your thoughts and then we'll hit the phone lines. I would lean heavily on Mike McCarthy. Jerry. Jones and. Jerry Jones is my coaching the players on the field. He's not coaching them in practice. He's not gained planning. He's not in the meeting rooms teaching this stuff. He's selecting the players. He's given them the players and I think a lot of people think that is Jerry. Because of the meddling people just he's meddling oh, he's around him out. They haven't won anything because it goes all the way back to to the Jimmy Johnson meddling in the bill parcells meddling. So they automatically assume he's like calling plays something and he's not doing that he's giving them the players but the problem with it is he selecting the wrong coach that's the that's the problem he hasn't gotten the coaches he got. Two coaches right in my opinion which obviously the beginning when he won the super bowl's Jimmy Johnson, right he soured that relationship. Then at some point in time and moved onto bill parcells, he got encountered the way of that as things started to go in the right direction for the organization. He Star kind of meddling in Kinda got in that and then he hires Phillips and then Jason Geared and now Mike McCarthy and I think that's why people would assume that Jerry's in the way let's run through a couple of callers. So key obviously voting there for Mike McCarthy we will see Jeremy North Carolina you're on ESPN radio WHO's to blame. Yeah Hey. Why McCarthy didn't hire himself it's time to lose for Lawrence, straight deck and the number one, our first round pick for the number one overall though Brown's love at tank for to a lose for Lawrence get patted right away. So I told you was is jerry hiring of the coach. You know. Whatever and remember DAX impending free agency as well with all of this circulating frank in Charleston South Carolina one of the best food cities in America, little food for thought. What do you got Frank? How're you doing? I'm actually a chef and. You're absolutely right we do. We do have the best food in the United States. But. anyways I'M GONNA wash. Football Team Fan and I kinda say that. like the previous caller Jerry hired the guy You don't go to a restaurant and fire ahead shift because his cooking wrong fire you know the owner is the one who hired head chef. I don't know everything in my life has to do with food. So sorry for the food talk but I gotta I gotTa, say With the whole thing with with Jerry you know higher in this guy is just gary how I mean how do you expect those guys like a hundred years old she's been doing this for way too long and once you do something for way too long you Kinda lose it a little bit. but look I know my team Washington football team is doing terrible. But at the same time, people weren't expecting us to do well even most of the fans and other thing Amari Cooper if you're listening to this right now Amari look you took less to be in the same bachelor. Right now. More money in. Washington and you'd be justice unhappy. Great stuff we had to let you go there great stuff putting Amari. Cooper on notice and have some low country kitchen when you're down there go but he got no, I just had. A am thinking, I who they who could of Jerry who could have Jerry hired and I'm saying like, could he have actually gotten Sean Payton to leave New Orleans What would that have taken like what coaches were available that made sense or should he have gone coordinator? You know one of those type situations instead of recycling re microwaving. Old Coach has done it before like I don't know. Which Direction they should've gone in. It's fair to say it's hard to determine exactly what direction they will go in. Now they have Andy Dalton. We'll see what happens because I'm a belief when you when you Jerry Jones and you got more money than God, you just whatever it would take an get chomping. You do it. It means if you gotta give him a Jon Gruden deal, it just do it because you. You know what I'm saying like if I had the opportunity to get champagne, now have an opportunity to to somehow pry loose one of these coaches. Then you go do it because the goal is to win a championship not every single year keep trying to win a championship is no we need to win a championship. So what will it take like I don't bring it to the Lakers and whatnot but dr bus whatever it took to give Phil Jackson back after the first week damages plus was like actually deal with this Rudy Tomjanovich stuff or whatever you know what get called back. Man We. Go Hug makeup. Stroke to check, that's what he did indeed for those that young enough or for those young enough Dr Jerry Buss the late great former owner of the Los Angeles Lakers his daughter Jeannie now owns the team a little nfl the way but first let's go from. Z. To Do, there's only one thing we need to talk about from eight Z and it's MLB with the alphabet Soup, World Series Tonight Keys, dodgers Clayton Kershaw the bump yikes five point four er in the world series. Best lefty maybe pitcher of his generation taking on Tyler Glass now game won the world series from Globe Life Field, the brand spanking new home of the Texas Rangers. You be glass. All right when we get rid of him. He's saying that glasses going to shatter first pitch eight or nine eastern pre game coverage on ESPN radio. Every single game of the Twenty Twenty Fall Classic begins at seven thirty PM eastern time in the Commissioner of Baseball Rob Manfred? We'll be with us in eighteen minutes. Minnesota bringing four Brian stepping up mad thought about it now gives ground GONNA flip down the field. It's called joes Julio Ten five touchdown Atlanta Amazing Ryan looked like he was gonna Tuck and run backed up three yards and softly flipped it to Jones for the touchdown. Unfortunately for the Falcons faithful. There haven't been too many of those calls this season like you heard on ninety, two, nine, the game it's a pleasure to welcome in a guy I remember this do play for the Falcons the Falcons were flying high roddy white four time, Pro Bowler Atlanta Falcons ring of honor member and joins us this morning on the Shell Pennzoil performance line good morning router you spend your entire career in Atlanta. So you have a good perspective on this what in the world is having to the Falcons. Combination things I mean just. Knock, finishing games you know at the start of the season I feel like that team right now should be you know form one. Or either three two at this point, it may point still had their coach. You know and GM, but I mean some things ball bounce a different way just couldn't close games. Could run the ball down the stretch. You Know Games. In to the Cuban offense demonstrates is. Able to do any of the thing that you need, do you know as a team goes? To Watch I can tell you that. I bet you. It is what's happening tyrod. was going on man just trying to do what I do. Let me ask you this. What was your reaction Arthur blank when he said that everything is under evaluation include Matt Ryan. I mean that that that that that's really not him. So I feel with frustration. You know he really doesn't. You know throw everything out there on the table and. Know been you know quarterback for letting years. Played pretty well throughout his tenure there and probably go down probably hall of Famer. One day you know when ep you know all the statistical achievements that he's a he's accomplished to this point but You know when owners frustrated with everything within the organization and you know just a couple of years ago playing simple you just you didn't expect. You know your team to be good but the NFL different more on the each and every year. So you two or three teams that were bad that you don't think you're GONNA win they're gonNA win the next year it just just the way to wall were not at that is very true if they decide to move on from Matt in after the end of the season. What. Type of quarterback would another team beginning? Oh I. Mean I think he'd do good anywhere. He Goes I. Mean it's got to be a good system. You know. there'll be getting a productive guy that can on you know move the change to be good inside the numbers you know he'll be statistically it'd be really really good. I mean he's a anticipation and get the ball out. You know kind of guy. He's always been that way since I've known. And you know most of the NFL was you know a majority of the NFL's not deep throat of all over your head you may take maybe four or five shots the game, but the end maybe pat, the game is the NFL. So you're successful at that mets man's real successful at that. It'd probably seventy five eighty percent completion percentage. I mean he's always going to be good in those areas. And be able to you know the truth and not only that he'll eat for your team and make a lot of place for. Roddy white former Atlanta Falcons first team pro Atlanta reading of honor join us here on keyshawn. J. Will in Zubin how come this man you close to landfall situation organization as a whole Is Super Bowl fifty one they did not winning in the organization hasn't rebounded since why? Why is that? If they would've won? Would it be different? I think domain I think sometimes man where you get that close and you right there on the door stands when you don't, you don't kick the door and. and. You know the expectations and stuff. You know around I'll I'll facility city you know we wanted to win that one right there which we had handed. Kinda. Let us look the way. They did things a different man you go into. You go down on my especially the player that you know you're just GonNa just make it the next year you know and a couple of times. We mentioned the NFC championship thought you know the next year? Will make and make sure when it's sixty minutes. So you never know what can happen guys can get hurt. You. Know in some of the guys that you draft to help you know help the team better I mean guys. Oh, pan out to be who you think. They are then all the sudden you look at yourself and your six ten you gotta rebound all over again. So I mean it's tough man that's tough man I think. I mean. It's GONNA be a lot of changes obviously starting you know hiring new, GM? Wants the team to go in. You know that's exactly what author do because wants to gives the keys over to somebody he literally gets the keys. To do whatever they want. Indeed as we reference with the former general manager Thomas Dmitrov and for those that are unaware or just so much going on in the world today key referencing that that amazing moment where the Falcons at twenty five point lead the largest ever in super bowl history lost in his roddy said the team sort of lost their way since then so close on the doorstep as Roddy said, last thing for your body really appreciate you being with us this morning tell us why you're with us today. I mean doing here talking about the amy buried of new Thing Cup Golf I. Mean I've been talked about a couple of other. Things they went there with some bulbs who could really hit the ball and been. There was some guys that really can't hit the ball. I think there's this game is for you know for the guy that really came hit devolve and You can go down there and knock down a couple of blocks just just like the the actual game on your own your telephone and things like that and to. Have a lot of fun I mean kids will have a great time. You know because they don't actually have to hit the ball into the circles and I tell my kids used to get frustrated trying to hit the ball to the because they could just knock down blocks and stuff like that. So it's a good thing man. We also try to dance to it. So you can hashtag any bird dance and watch social media. Go crazy talk your way of kicking it out. That's what we're doing over there. That's great stuff. It is a great for the family and I can tell you it's also great from some adult. If you holding that seven nine, your left hand a little beer in the right hand it's always fun out at top golf. Really appreciate you joining us this morning and your ring famer for a reason, and it's great to catch up with you today. John have me on then be good Roddy, white ready White TV. So he's looking to get into the media here as well. Doesn't stuff ended around the Atlanta area keyshawn Jabil Zubin presented by progressive insurance on the way the major league. Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred yes. We're GONNA ask them all about the world series tonight but there's another huge story breaking in Major League Baseball. Indeed you can tap a garbage can or you can tap a microphone to give you a little bit of hint. We'll talk to the commission about the latest Astros fiasco in just a moment she santi willing to the podcast. CanNot wait tonight you know about Kershaw Dino about a rose arena, a rookie that's broken through. Amazing. You know about Seger but do you know about Snell let's welcome in on the Shell Pennzoil Performance Line Major League Baseball is ten commissioner. He's been on the job for the last half decade. It's a pleasure to welcome and rob Manfred on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. Rob. We're GONNA talk about the world series in everything. That's great with baseball here in just one moment but I want to focus on on the latest situation with the Astros or former general manager Jeff Luna again denying any wrongdoing in the sign stealing scandal that you laid down discipline four. He said to a Houston television station yesterday he was quote shocked that he was implicated in it at all any offered to take a lie detector test for you what do you make of those comments? Well I don't want to rehash the whole Houston situation. I'd say two things first of all the twenty, two, Thousand Electric Messages Jeff, talked about over and over again, we're a fraction of the evidence. In the case, there was a lot of other evidence electronic testimonial which indicated Jeff's culpability in this matter. Secondly, what whether he exactly knew what was going on or not is really beside the point after the Apple Watch incident, I wrote to all the GM's I, put them on notice that it was their obligation to make sure that their organizations were not violating any of the science stealing rules. I think it's pretty clear from the facts that Mr Lanao failed to discharge that obligation he damaged the game and as a result who was disciplined that Apple Watch situation going down between the Yankees and the Red Sox and the commissioner laying down that memo, and then he obviously mentioned the chain of events that followed commissioner man for today fifty one days without a positive test for Covid nineteen for Major League baseball what has been the key to the sport flattening the curve to get to the fall classic tonight. Three most important words in our game are great players They have done a phenomenal job. altering the way they play the game on the field and the way they live their lives. in order to to hear the protocols, keep themselves healthy keep the game on the field Obviously, a lot of support from club people umpires my staff but you know at the end of the day is always the case in our game it's about the players. What was your level of concern that we wouldn't get to this point that we are today? Well I guess the best way to to say that is we had some very nervous days early on obviously, well documented the the issues we had with the marlins and the cardinals. I obviously when you're talking about people's helped you have to be cautious and and It was a genuine concern for me. With all the bickering over. Monta. Games that would be played the money to be divvied up how tough personally for you. Was it to get the season started? Look the beginning of the season woods her getting to the beginning of the season was not a great chapter for the Game I. You know I am sorry that we subjected our our fans to that but it was a very, very difficult situation I think some of the expectations as to what could be accomplished in the context of the pandemic just too high and we did resist the temptation to try to. Bite off too much and got to a I think a season that was reasonable and obviously one that we were able to complete. We are being joined by Major League Baseball Commissioner, rob, Manfred, just hours away from game. One of the world series tonight in Arlington between the Tampa Bay rays and the Los Angeles dodgers which you can hear keys dodgers you can here on ESPN radio with pre game coverage starting at seven thirty. PM Eastern Commissioner Manford given that we've made it this far with all of the acrimony between your side and Tony Clark, and the Major League baseball players. Association, how would you describe the relationship you have with the MLB A. Right now Well I think that you know it's important to take the perspective. Labor. Relations. You're GonNa have your ups and downs. You're not gonNA see eye to eye on every issue I think Once I announced the Sixth Game Season The cooperation that we've gotten from Tony and the players association has been really really good. they help those tremendously after the initial outbreaks in terms of tightening the protocols and and you know speaking to players encouraging players, how important it was to adhere to those protocols, and then later on in the summer they agreed with us that we should get into a single site. You know bubble type format for the postseason we were able to reach that agreement worked through the you know the logistics of that was really difficult and you know required additional sacrifice for player. So you know we've had great cooperation from the Union once we got gone commissioner what led to the decision to allow fans in the stadium for both the LCS as well as the world series. Well number one we were in a jurisdiction that allowed gatherings of the numbers that that that we're talking about Obviously, we were never going to do anything that was contrary to to to what the public health officials believed what was appropriate once we had that flexibility I, we went to our experts. we had extensive conversations about how we could have fans in the ballpark. How many we could have what protocols we needed to follow in order to make sure that it was safe and wants those experts came back with a plan that that that we thought was sound we really did believe it was important to try to move towards a more normal environment where where people could get back in the ballpark and enjoy major league baseball. Commissioner I wanted to ask you the initial outbreaks with the Marlins and the cardinals which threw everything into a tizzy schedule is if I'm not mistaken at the end of the day all but two teams actually completed their sixty regular season game. So pretty much almost the entire regular season was played, and now I mentioned the nearly two months without a positive test for Covid, nineteen. Because of your great players, as you said, I wonder what does that mean for possibly getting back to one hundred, sixty, two games next season here. Well look. One thing that I've learned during this pandemic the prediction business is a dangerous business Obviously, we would love to play one, sixty two. you know it is our business. It's the season that are fans expecting love. and you know the only caveat on and his what's going to happen with respect to what has proven to be a very unpredictable. Or. Are you confident that the season will start on time and twenty twenty one? I. You know I have to I have to give you the same answer. Our plan is to star on our regular schedule issue scheduled for next year but I I think that the reality is all planning for twenty twenty one for us, and for you know other business in America has to have an asterisk next to it in terms of what the course of the virus is going to be indeed obviously the virus is in control. Lastly, this is something I. Always Wonder when I see commissioner Bettman, Commissioner Goodell Commissioner silver, and of course yourself. It's a long hard road to get here pandemic labor. Obviously, of Labor, lawyer background. What's it just like for you to be able to as a fan like millions of us do sit back and watch the world series knowing that you'll be handing out that trophy I. Know You're professional you run Major League baseball at ten billion dollar a year industry but which is just like for you at this time of year. I, think that the greatest thing about the post season actually in the world series being the culmination of it is it is the one time of year when I really get back to being a fan I watch a ton of postseason baseball I try to see as much of it live as I possibly can and it is a welcome respite from the business side of the game just to go to the ballpark via fan and enjoy what we regard to be the greatest game in the world real quick before I. Let you go. You will be attending the Games. Correct. Oh Yeah I'll be in I I, actually attended A game at each of the Division series sight. So I could see the bubbles and I will be in Texas tonight and therefore the duration. Okay. Great stuff and we'll be watching tonight and millions will be watching on television listening on ESPN radio it'll be presented by autozone all the action tonight again seven thirty eastern ESPN radio and the ESPN APP let's keep our fingers crossed Commissioner Manfredi said you can't predict the future but we are almost here to crowding Major League Baseball's most unique world series winner ever really know you're busy and I really appreciate you joining us this morning. Thank you. Thank you. It's great talking to you guys and good luck to you guys. Thank you that is the major, League Baseball, commissioner, ROB, Manfred Very. Look to the dodgers goes to the equal time political season if you're watching this Tampa Saint Peter. Listening we got some fans down there as well as I mentioned. He's got a Labor lawyer back. Rossi really understands a lot of things going on with baseball because negotiations in the future are going to be very telling about this sport especially when big money guys. Go for contracts and then t motors, GonNa turn around and say Look I. Wish I had the money but remember that year of pandemic when we couldn't let me fans, it's going to be rocky road for baseball. But right now let's just enjoy the base palm that we have still the come I'm forty two but key is the kids say we'll keep it hundred. For A guy. That blessed us with his sports presence to the age of one hundred. That's on the Westbound Gijon will and Sylvan the podcast. We've raised through our four hours morning. JABE will be back with us tomorrow morning before we let you go just want to be a part of the show one last time Dr Pepper call in line eighty, eight, say Espn Eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, seven, six or if it's easier, bust out the phone, hit us up it Kiji, and Zee on the Dr Pepper twitter simple question after the disaster in Dallas last night who's faulted the cowboys are a two win team. Is it more on Jerry? Is it more on Mike McCarthy will recite your tweets on the air. GIVES US A call we'll try to put you on the air before we get out of here this morning key, you want to kind of give us your answer right now the twitter poll has about sixty eight percent fault. The Jerry r really well, yes. Because Jerry hired understand what they're saying higher Mike McCarthy but I will say Mike McCarthy because he hired Mike Nolan Jerry's giving him some players and Jerry's in the press box he's not or his sweet. He's not on the field calling plays he's not in meeting rooms dialing up plays designing plays. That's the coaching staff. And I think that when you look at, Mike, McCarthy hired Mike Nolan who used to be Mike Knowle's office coordinated with Mike Nola head coach at the San Francisco forty nine. So there's a relationship there, and because that relationship is there you hire. Magnolia. Now affected we look at the defense. The defense is really your major major major major, major major problem. They're like the major problem with the team. Now, the offense under Andy Dalton has struggled but when they were under the offense was rolling, but the defense was struggling defense is still struggling the office is trying to catch. Up to though no question when you think about injuries with this team, you gotta think about the situation and say to yourself, look yes Dacca's out of course, Dacca's out. That's the biggest thing looming over the organization. What kind of money are they going to get back moving forward but it's the dude that protect Dak that are in big trouble too and obviously now those dudes protect Andy Dalton Tyron Smith through some people leave the obviously he played the League You know some people believe he's the best often he's well, he's one of the best in the game. Yes. When healthy he's obviously out for the season Zack Martin young kid from Notre Dame who's been excellent for them. He got hurt last night in Lisle Collins. The kid from Lsu, hasn't played a single snap this year. So I'm not a math major but I can tell you sixty percent of your offensive line depending on is not out there. I don't care who's back there and to your point Andy Dalton again against the giants they rallied against the giants Andy. Dalton take the Bengals to the playoffs on numerous occasions. Maybe that was andy. Dalton. But you gotTa have a little trepidation of your cowboy fan last night because for a guy and I understand the lines down for a guy that experienced he looked like deer in headlights. No he did and you could see the panic though sitting in his eyes I think when they got down twenty one nothing to Zeke fumbles that's just uncharacteristic of Elliott. Although he's had a couple of fumbles this year it's just not something that you see him. He knows better and that's why he felt the way felt that the end of the game because he knew better he he knew he screwed it up and the reason to twenty one points was laid on the board because he was fumbling into enemy territory and it's just you know it's unfortunate. that. They missed their leader and Dak Prescott but it was clear last night that was the case they didn't have a guy here to help them rally from a high like in the past indeed. Once again, what do you think is it more on Jerry or is it more on? Mike or is it more on Jerry for hiring Mike is key is kind of splitting that proverbial difference Dr Pepper call in line eighty eight. SAY ESPN editing seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six and I know a bunch of you hit us up on the twitter feed. Every morning are Dr Pepper twitter feed. We appreciate that we have one and a half million followers on twitter. Appreciate that key Jay Z. hit us up will recite some of your tweets if you got anything good to say and I'm sure you do get Outta here this morning I'm sure do twitter. I'm not on twitter. You're not a big twitter guy either and that's actually where I wanna go here because twitter is now taking over our lives. Gentleman by the name of SID, Hartman may not mean much to you if you don't live in the Minneapolis area if you're listening to us in the great state, of Minnesota, this morning good morning to you he died at the age of one hundred. He was the sports writer capital T. h. e in the area in an age where the sports writer and columnist was the voice of the fan. The conscious of the fan you wake up the next day after the game. What is Mike Lupu thinking in New York key put it to you. What is Jim Murray, the legendary Jim Murray thinking in Los Angeles for the Los Angeles Times. If you're listening in Cleveland, Terry Pluto. One of the great writers in Cleveland Every city sort of has that guy woody page in Denver Colorado for many many years. Bob Ryan, our colleague Espn With the Boston Globe those guys in mostly guys at the time Obvi- some women as well. Held outside power in their town. They had the ability to hold the coaches feet to the fire. The coach would read that column the next day, and he might have a little red asset, his press conference the next morning. That has been totally replaced by twitter and sit died at the age of one hundred. Recently, he had filed more than twenty one. Thousand Columns. He is one of the most venerated respected guys out there. So in an age where removing from moving newspaper writer, the columnist, the Voice of the fan to anybody you me and all of our listeners are million and a half listeners can get on and put two hundred eighty characters out there to time. Sure. There's not a lot of context shirts wittiness over research maybe sometimes a little more style over substance I just wanted to mention the passing of this guy because if you're a certain age and key doesn't like me to mention his age, but he's a little bit older than I am. Reading the newspapers taking into account what these Fella said it's a different time. If you're half our age, you probably think were dinosaurs right now and this segment is going to the Smithsonian institution, which if I never know but it's one of those things where I just wanted to mention when those guys were kings, it was a different way to consume sports those passing on sympathies to sit Hartman's family. It's a different age now social media world I whether we like it or not. We're Kinda too old curmudgeon. Like it but that's the way we've gone but I just wanted to kind of mention with those guys ruled the roost it was a different way to consume sports media. There was no sports talk radio back. Then none of that stuff was the Internet was barely there. So it's just sort of a tip of the cap to a guy that had pros with this pen like nobody we've seen before mini trying I'm trying to get to that century Marco I need to get to that hundred for sure you've got to give away age against sorry about it you know. That's a good. That's a good man. You know when we I've always respected those columnists and writers beat writers that are around that I can identify with it. I never respected the ones that come in you see them once every five games right and then they got something real slick per se but not some every single day to ones that every single day. that. was their that hung around. That had a column for you. That was great I. Mean I just I've always embraced those guys and how about the show in their face I never played obviously I've been on the other side covering the locker room covering guys like you for many many years. I've always told by an athlete and everybody's got a different personality Amen. You can rid me make a legit back it up. Show up the next day OH. Yeah. No show up the next day for sure. In one of the things that I've always said is. Right. It like you see it and not like you want it to be because people do that they wanted to be a certain way opposed to the way really is if I really dropped their football, say I really dropped it don't say well, he should adult for when you know damn. Well, it was in the third row, anybody could have made that anybody. Cares Act you can't know that doesn't work like that. It's fair enough. It's the old school version of essentially saying click back then one of my favorite guys here worked at the New York Times has guy named Jerry Eskenazi. He covered me with the jets and he was older back then and he would have been around he covered Joe names and stuff so yeah, he had been. Around for a long time that was one of my favorite writers. The New York? Times. Tomorrow Ray superfan Dick Vitality lives in the Tampa. Area Sarasota. Game Tonight go dodgers right. We'll see thanks for listening to Keyshawn Jalen Subic make sure to subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show live weekdays at six eastern on ESPN radio ESPN news all we ever you stream your audio

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Episode 16: Mike Stanton

Holding Court with Geno Auriemma

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Episode 16: Mike Stanton

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Ladies and gentlemen, sports fans, non sports fans, boxing fans, non boxing fans are in for a little bit of a treat today's guest on holding court with Gino Auriemma this Agena worry. Emma. Today's guest is Mike Stanton professor of journalism and investigative reporting at the university of Connecticut and author of two books. One is called the prince of providence. The rise and fall of buddy CNC America's most notorious mayor, which is New York Times bestseller and his latest book. Unbeaten. Rocky Marciano is fight for perfection in a crooked world, those of you that may or may not know the story. Rocky Marciano, the only undefeated unbeaten heavyweight champion of the world. Forty nine. Oh, great story. Some interesting tidbits. Mike, Scott, a lot of lot of history in the New England area, Connecticut, and working for the Providence Journal in Providence, Rhode Island, hope you like your involvement with because I'm I'm fascinated by your involvement with. Providence, the city of providence. You know, a lot of people may not know, but you know, providence at one time. He's been through a whole lot. You can tell me more than I know. But I think the people in Hartford now, envy providence, you know, they, they don't want to say they don't want to admit to it, but. T- tell me how long you spent their what it was like and the transformation that you saw the city go through during your time living and working there? Well, I have a good perspective on this Gino because I grew up in Lynch law and you know we'd go. My parents would take me into downtown Hartford to g box and go shopping, and you know one of the real vibrant city. And then you know, I went to Syracuse and journalism major in a reporter, and I went to work for the Providence Journal in nineteen eighty six or eight nineteen eighty five sports writer. I covered the big and. You know, it was a theme park for journalists in about five years after my sports writing career started, I got transferred over to the investigative team, and then I went to covering what was really Rhode Island leading sport at the time, which was political corruption. And we also were the center place of the New England mafia and just a very rich interesting, historic city, you know, as a real interesting place in American history, it was founded by Roger Williams on this, you know, tenant of religious freedom when he was cast out of Massachusetts by the puritan and he's found to displace he called divine providence, and that really became model for America developed with in terms of religious freedom. And then the industrial revolution really began in Rhode Island. And if I backtrack, Rhode Island was also a hotbed of the flake trade, you know, leading shipping port providence in Newport, the Brown family that gave Brown University, it's name or a big slave. Traders and then the two brothers done and Moses Brown had had a falling out. Moses wife died and became a Quaker and renounce slavery and actually had got his brother who was a congressman prosecute per continuing to trade and flav. And then he took his money and he poured it into the first factory. Textile Mellon took Rhode Island. So the industrial revolution was born there. And you know a lot of the immigration that was, you know how America developed began there with a lot of the Irish and talian and other people coming over. Incredible. When you think about. You know, the role that. You know, New England played in in this country. History also put science major in college, and I was a avid, avid, avid history buff, and you know, growing up. In Philadelphia area, you know, studying the the, the birth of America in the revolutionary war and the founding fathers and Independence Hall and everything that goes with it. And my mother became a citizen in one thousand nine hundred seventy six to two hundred anniversary of our country in Independence Hall in this great ceremony. And then I moved to Charlottesville Virginia, and it was a little bit more of that. But then you know, Thomas Jefferson and then it was big civil war. And now I live in New England. So I feel like I've had the holy trinity of of how this country came about. And most people think of New England as yet the Mayflower and the pilgrims and Indians and thanksgiving. And you know, John Adams and and now they make. Now they make. Boston lager. You know the, the founding fathers founded. Yeah. Coonass that you go Sam Adams so that what you brought up about the slave trade, the industrial revolution and the the melting pot that it became. When did providence go into decline where it became of, you know, viewed as a less than desirable. Place to to to be it really slipped back and just sit back about a little over a hundred years ago. Providence was the Silicon Valley of America you had leading, you know industries. Fruit of loom started their cordless steam engine was central exhibit at the Chicago world's fair, and it was one of the wealthiest cities in America and you can still see the best is that, well, if you go back to providence and look at the architecture, the old building and what happened was the industrial revolution, and then the wave of immigration in the early twentieth century came in and as the immigrants wanted more power because it was also, you know, Rhode Island started with this great idea of liberty, you know, that was the basis for our country, but then by the early nineteen hundreds, it was very uneven. I mean the wealthy, you're talking about the one percent and in, you know, immigrants couldn't even vote. You couldn't vote unless you on land, you know into the twentieth century. And finally. Tide started to turn. And yeah, Lincoln Steffens the great Muckraker came to Rhode Island and he called it a state for sale and cheap because they would buy vote, you know, the, they would tell people how to vote. And then the Republican boss got outraged because the Democrats would throw him an extra five bucks and have them vote, Republican vote democrat. And so he said that an honest voter is one who stays bought. But eventually that immigrant tied, they started to exert their numbers and they started to take control. Labor unions became more powerful. And so ultimately, by the nineteen thirties, when the depression hit all the textile mill owners, the move south in North Carolina and places like that for cheaper labor, and you know, World War Two and the liberty ships in the seaport shipyards kept the city going through the war. But after the war they went into real steep decline. And that's when the mafia really, you know, moved in and it was a pretty wide open city, and there's a lot of gambling and racketeering and political corruption. And you know, the fight scene was at the center of that too. And those are real guys and dolls kind of town after the war. And that's when you either worked with the mob or you work for the government. And those were the kind of two primary employment opportunities back then in the city went into a long steep decline. You know, just thought of something as you were talking about that, you know the old Biltmore hotel right. And. You know, the built more has been used in a lot of lot of stories, a lot of songs and you're right. It Providence's. Has had a history. With the Italian's. Good Embiid. Which. Leads me to my next question about one of the favorite topics in providence for the longest time still probably was buddy CNC. Already give give our listeners a little bit of a background into the the former mayor. Of providence did you ever meet him. I did. I met a one time and I made the mistake, Mike, you'll love this. I was getting an award. By the Rhode Island talion American hall of fame sports hall of fame, so they have this dinner. So I'm there with. Jeeze. One of the one of the Red Sox guys, a guy, a kicker for the patriots Adam been Kerry. Yeah. Yeah, and and member, the other guy Gino was Gino cappelletti capillarity. Yeah. Yeah. There's an another guy. There was a boxer might have been finishing pass. That was Rocco. So. No, I didn't see him. So I'm there with all these guys and next thing you know. But he walks in and it's like an hour forty, five minutes into the into the show, and he walks in. And you know, obviously there's a table right in front of me. Would all guys that looked like my father and all his friends who were on when I was growing up and buddy works in and comes up on the stage, and he makes a quick comment congratulates everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And. Hey, guys, love to stay, but I gotta go. Out the door was air, not ten minutes, and I got up. So I got up to speak and I go, I, it was great buddy to come, but I'm sure he's got to stay on the move these days. You know, he's got to be busy and the two seven guys sitting in front of me deal. Italian guys gave me a look like, that's it. You better not say another word. I just buy up in places to be that night. He probably did he. That's what I meant. I didn't mean he was running from anybody. Well. That could have been also so tell our our listeners, the buddy Arjun of buddy buddy. Fancy was is one of the great political figures in American history. He was, you know, the judge who often we sent them to prison called Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. And he really was one of the most brilliant politicians. You would ever find any level. He was the longest serving mayor in the country for awhile, and certainly in providence history, he was the first talion American mayor. You know, he came in the Irish ran city hall, and and he was a Republican to in this is when the Gerald Ford was president and he became a darling of the White House because he was, you know, rarity this, this ethnic urban Italian who is a Republican and he spoke to the Republican national convention in nineteen seventy six and some dolls that he was brilliant enough politician to go to Washington. But he stayed in providence and eventually got swept up and all the the city hall corruption. And you know he. Was mayor twice. He had a, he reigned from the mid seventy s to the mid eighty, and he went down. There was a major scandal, but what knock him out was he lured this man to his house who he suspected of sleeping with his ex wife, and he held him prisoner with his police driver and tortured him for a few hours and stabbed him in the eye with a cigarette and eventually pleaded guilty and and had to resign and five years later he came, he came back and was reelected, mayor nineteen ninety, and he served and till the early two, thousands and city underwent this. You know, remarkable renaissance, they moved the rivers, they have water fire. They have a lot of great cultural amenities and new life. Downtown providence Bruins came the, the theater was mandated and buddy was like the showman and he was a national figure. And then the f. b. i. came calling again. And they eventually, you know, planted wires and city hall, and they wired up some of his top aides and caught him taking bribes and but he was. Actually convicted and sent the prison. You know, we used to, we used to kid that he got more votes when he was in jail than the actual people that were running. Good, and that he probably could have been elected and served. While he was while he was incarcerated in that for those of you don't know, Mike. Wrote a great book called the the prince of providence, the rise and fall of buddy CNC America's most notorious mayor. Yeah, the whole thing going on the cover shot is him putting in a Venetian gondola that he brought in from Italy, why the rivers of the providence river during water fire hire the gun, you can't make you can't make this up. You know this. I think you're white part. Even today. You could hire a gondola, get a picnic and debt or out yet. Part. Parts of Prantoso part wise guys. Yeah, park goodfellas. It's yet. It's all true. True to life. Yeah. And he had to be people, the city hall aids at nickname, like buckles and blackjack and Bobo, and they went to prison. They were stealing manhole covers off the streets and city garbage trucks, and it was just a it was the wild west, and buddy was they were all sitting at that dinner I was at, I think they were all sitting in front of me, say, might have been. That's right. Wallet. I found myself underneath one of those manhole covers if I kept talking. So Mike latest book on beaten. The rocky Marciano story, call them beaten. Rocky Marciano is fight for perfection in a crooked world about three quarters of the way through the book. I don't. I don't want to. I mean, obviously, I know the ending, but I, I want to go and take my time with it. You know, being in the talian immigrant and coming over from, you know, from Italy and growing up, you know where my mother and father spoke hardly any English throughout their their lives, and my father passed away. My mother still alive. She's eighty seven, you know, the way we ate at home and the way we dress and the way things were expected of you reading Rockies early childhood. It just brings back so many memories, and it's funny that we were talking about providence which is big part of your life. But providence played a big role in Rockies life, didn't it? It did, and that's how I got onto that. It was really buddy. CNC leading need a rocky Marciano because when buddy was a boy growing up in providence, his father was a doctor and he used to take into fights at the old, Rhode Island, auditory him on north main street. And this was an arena, the Boston Celtics and Bob Cousy played. Their icecapades came in ROY Rogers and trigger to Rhode Island reds, hockey team. And the big attraction was Monday night fight night and providence was the biggest fight city in wingless figure that Boston and in the early in the late nineteen forties rocky a headliner there because he was from Brockton about thirty five miles away. And he was just knocking people out and the local, especially with his talent heritage, loved him. They loved the night, the knockout punch. You know, they had this ritual where he would hit a guy and a guy would stand there. Poise and then collapsed and everybody in the crowd with yell timber. So, yeah, so rocky fought twenty eight times in his professional career, there of his forty nine fight, and it really launched him on the past to the title. Well, as you're doing, you're doing your background on on rocky. You know what, what struck you as. That moment where you know you're like, wow, I would have never guessed that. And people won't believe it. But this is what happened or this, you know, this is how it was there a moment when. As much already knew about rocky. Well, there were three. I mean, the one just understanding how vicious boxing was and just getting really in depth about reconstructing these fight and what it was like and what it reflected about our society at the time for working class people, and then the celebrity nature being the heavyweight champion fifty years ago, you were household name, boxing baseball, where the two big sports in America, and I really wanted to reflect that as well as you know, it's not aimed at a hardcore boxing fan audience, but you know rocky was and what struck me was I learned about his friendships with a lot of celebrities like Frank Sinatra, Jackie Gleason, Jerry Lewis, Marilyn Monroe, Joe DiMaggio, and I get some great stories from his nephews about encounters he had with them. But the other thing was the mafias entrenched control, boxing, and how this kinda hero immigrant on his only way out. You know, the cliche Horatio Alger story is through the ring. But he has to contend with all the corrupt forces run boxing and ultimately help do it in as a mainstream American sport. And that's why I called it. It's fight for perfection, crooked world because he goes on to histories only unbeaten heavyweight champion. You know, he's like the New England Patriots. I mean, and and your team. I mean as many titles as you've all one, you know, wasn't always easy, and there were some squeakers and he has some real close calls. And so those things all surprise me and amusement. But one of the things that really struck me was maybe it goes back to how we idolize their sports heroes back in that kind of golden age of the nineteen fifties when he was camping. But I was getting his military service record because he served in an army engineer unit during World War Two. And I covered the, he'd been court martialed for along with another TI for salting and robbing to British civilians in England when they were supposed to be on base, getting ready to go to Normandy for the. Invasion in the spring of nineteen forty four. And you know what really struck me, not that it makes rocky a bad person, but he's a flawed complex interesting person. And you know, he made a mistake and it was kind of swept under the rug. And I was getting his files from the national archives and the librarian said, well, we also have this other file. It's not digitized. It's his court martial transcript if he's like that. And I said, what? And you know, I had heard he'd had some problems, but then I got the file and there's mugshots and fingerprints and a and a whole trial transcript, but not only illuminates what happened, but also kind of, you know, there's a lot of details about his early life than struggles. While it. It's an interesting part in the book. Where where you see rocky as not so much this heavyweight boxer whose destined for stardom, but just a regular street kid who's now in the army, and you know he's doing what normal street kids in your your. He's trying to find a way to get. You know hustle this also that get an advantage in this and you know, and it, it kind of really humanized them even more I thought than you think. Yeah, it did me and it also you know, if you look at, you know how the domino theory of life. It really to me, led him into boxing because he was sentenced to two ultimate originally seven years in prison. It was reduced to. And so he stayed in the army after the war ended. So he could come out with an honorable discharge. And after he served his military prison time, he goes out the fort Lewis in Washington state, and he serves the through nineteen forty six. And when he's there, he starts the box on the prison, boxing team. I mean, not prison the army boxing team, and that's his first real formal boxing experience, and he makes it to the finals of the national junior AAU championship in Portland, Oregon, and he's obviously very raw, very clumsy fighter. And in the semi's he punches a guy awkwardly on the top of his head, and he shatters knuckle, and this is a career potential career ending injury, and he goes. Back to the army hospital, and there's a Japanese American surgeon who performs an experimental operation on him and saves his career. And when interesting about this union, you know, talk about your immigrant stories. This man family was, you know, Japanese American tour interns in those camps during World War Two, as you know suspected enemy, and he was spared that this back your Thomas Takeda because he was in medical school at the time. And then later when he wants to serve his country, they won't let him go overseas. So he's at fort Lewis. 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Well, you know, we grew up with Mohammed guys like Mohammed Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, and you know, guys look amazing in the ring and and just their abilities. Incredible. He was anything but athletic in the ring. Right. Scrapper. I mean, he was five foot ten, a hundred and eighty five pounds. So he was often outweighed outreached by his opponents. He was very clumsy and awkward, but he had to things he had this punched that his trainer nickname the Suzie. Q. that could probably is one of the most devastating punches heavyweight history. Some scientists tried to measure the force of it and concluded that it had more force than a bullet fired from gun. And the other thing he had that I think is really a lesson athlete in any sport is his discipline and his tennis and his training, and he trained like a monk. I mean, I love this idea of boxing in the mid in the mid twentieth century where the the fighter goes off to the mountains to train, you know, for the big fight any away from all the temptations of the city and and rocky would go up to the Catskills. So the grossing resort. And he would train for months and he loved training, and he was kind of ahead of his time in terms of. You know, some of the train athletes today. He avoid fried foods, the green, he, he believed, you know, not lifting weights, but doing a lot of stretching exercises to increase its flexibility with you. Certainly not the most flexible guy and he could take such punishment. And you know, some of epic fights where you know, he persevered through some amazing versity and punishment that other lesser men would never do it. So that's what made him a champion. Yeah, I've been trying to figure out who's the who's the guy on the cover that he's bludgeoning right now. That's rolling with stars in their second fight. Okay. In that isn't Square Garden. When he's the champion. And that was one of the few times. Rocky rocky was a real as much as he was in fasten in the ring. He was a very gentle soul out of the ring and very high pitched choirboys boys. He didn't really take fights. Personally, he, he had a lot of respect for his opponent. You know, especially black fighters who he identified with because immigrant roots and persecution but rolling the stars at ticked him off. Because before that fight, one of the things rocky was always terrified about was he would see these drunk fires with their brain scramble the no money, you know, leaning on the bar and he was petrified becoming like that as well as being poor. And before his second fight was with stars, the stars was quoted in papers thing that rocky takes too many punches. He's gonna wind up, punch drunk and rocky was so ticked off about that. He just, you know, hold with stars all over the ring and you know he hit him so hard in the armed that you first blood vessels. And that's the thing about rocky. He was cleansing might not land the punch where he wanted it to land, but wherever it landed hurt, you know, one opponent said that every time he hit you, you saw flash of light and let stars afterwards. Rocky was in a cab with a guy I talked to, and I guess I learned the college boy a, so yeah, that's a great picture that I loved the photos from that era. It's kind of black and white. Yeah, film the warrior era. Yeah, just great. Great pictures. When. When he when he really really hurt. The other Italian fighter? I think karma and bingo. Yeah. When he really heard him and sentiment hospital and he might die and rocky went over to the hospital and sat with him. I think that speaks to what you were saying about what a gentle, caring guy he was after he tried to tried to kill you in the ring. Exactly. And that was a really big fight. And that was one of his earlier bites that didn't get as much attention and I spent whole chapter on it because I was so fascinated by it, and I thought it was such a critical Lincoln in Rockies history and and turning point because he and bingo, we're both young, you know, relatively unknown but hard hitting unbeaten, Italian heavyweight. You know, rocky from Brockton bingo from the Bronx. They each other big Italian following and they were fighting at Madison Square Garden, their first fight in Madison Square Garden, and it was the night before New Year's Eve nineteen forty nine. And these two guys came out and they fought at the, you know, the speed of a couple of lightweight. New York Times writer said team that they, they went on until human endurance could stand no more and rocky said that it was the hardest he ever was hit when bingo hit him in the chest in an early round in rocky blacked out, but stayed on his feet and fell into a clinch and recovered. And he eventually knocks thing go out. And then bingo's head kinda snaps and things on the canvas and rocky celebrating this big win, and then they have to carry then go to the hospital and he puts into a coma and there was a really, you know, gripping story that things will later wrote for the Saturday Evening Post where he recounted, what it's like to be a boxer and you're in the ring with a guy who's your friend and then suddenly you're just pummeling it and you got the blood loss, and then the fights over and then he's your friend again and you worry about it. And this is an era that just like today, people talk about the damage of NFL football and whether it's worth it and the same debates. We're going around boxing at that time, and there were people being killed in the ring. There were few dozen people killed in the ring that year nineteen forty nine and nineteen fifty. And these guys, all these great dreams of being the champion having wealth and fame. And then the flip side is, you know, being carried out on a stretcher and bingo did recover, but he never thought again, he was blind in one. And he walked the length and he had a pretty pretty tough life. You know, he worked on the docks as a night watchman, but and he doesn't remember the fight to his desk. Never never fight. You remembered walking up the steps to the ring and the garden. And then he remembered waking up. Being mother was down at a hospital. You know, I remember my one of my earliest recollections grown up in Norristown which is kind of like a city like Brockton factory town, and you know, both of my parents worked in factories, but I remember going into barbershop and there'd be boxing pictures all over the walls and was always taken back by the one picture of it was rocky Graziano who killed a guy in ring. It might have been. Yeah, I am trying to think. I mean, he had some great fights with what was it Tony sale. Yeah, but there was a there was a picture of a guy laying on the campus and and the guy told me, you know, see that guy there he died, you know, in the ring and I thought, wow, and you heard about that and and to be a boxer in those days, the the duress, they weren't so quick stop fights where. No. And that was well, here's the problem. If you stop the fight too quickly, you are suspected of being in the tank. You were being paid off by mob guys gamblers to fix the writing. So there was almost like this hands off approach, and then there'd be criticism and there'd be times that you know people would be screaming at the rest of stop the fight. And sometimes they did the son of an old, boxing referee and fighter from providence who rest a lot of Rockies bite his son you've been on, oh, another great providence name. But Sharkey son also named Sharkey who of course works for buddies, Nancy providence, city hall inspector of weights and measures. He gave me a photo of a fighter that was lying, you know, flat on the ring on his stomach and the doctors attending him, and you could see the, you know, black and white photo. You can see the black splotches of blood on the canvas, and that man died. And you know, the other thing that really fascinates me about rocky is he was very. He was more complex guy than people realize Layton his life. You know, he's been retired for over a dozen years and he's holding court and his how tell Sweden London. And he starts to say that, you know, I'm worried about my kids and grandkids, watching the fight film fight of me and thinking of a brutal ruffian. And he says, you know, forty fifty years from now, boxing gonna fade away. It's just too violent and you know, it's gotta go away and all his friends say, oh, no, Rocco and he's like, no, that's the way it is. But he, he had this vision, I think. And to me, the other thing about boxing is it's a window into the immigrant struggle. Because when you look at boxing through its history, it's always the people on the lower Rhone who are fighting because you know one of their only opportunities and then the working class. And then you've got the Jewish fighters in the Irish Italian, the black and the Tino's, and now you're eastern European heavily involved, and they're all looking for a way. And then there people are going to the fights. And there's this. It's a source of ethnic. Pride, it's a way for working class people to assimilate into America and to feel the sense of pride and individuality. And this increasingly industrialized world where you're chain to a factory. But talk a little bit about the the, the fractured relationship that that rocky had with his trainer, Charlie Goldman and his for lack of a better word. His owner. The guy that you know you talk about two. Yeah. You talk about today. You know. Pro athletes getting half of the half of the gate. You know, meaning, you know the, the NBA signs it, you know, a billion dollar deal, the the NBA players. Again, fifty percent only players who get screwed in major league sports or or NFL players. The ones died, the ones that die every Sunday. Today, exact dirty guys that get screwed in the baseball and basketball players have have a pretty good, but talk about the relationship that rocky had at that. He didn't really appreciate that he he had to put up with, but. These guys didn't always do what's always they hardly ever was best for rocky. No. And that that was the other balancing hack has with his manager. Al Weill. When rocky was, you know, starting to fight in some amateur fights around Brockton, Massachusetts. He, you know, his father and his uncles, and there was an old retired boxer Joe Monte who had fought max Schmeling and knew the fight game and said, look, if you wanna have a career in boxing, you've gotta go to New York. You gotta get a manager. You gotta get a big time guy. New York is the capital boxing, and so he goes down to New York and he meets l. wile and l. wile is kind of the preeminent to manager. He's also going to become the matchmaker for Madison Square Garden and the International Boxing club, which is the cartel that controls boxing, and he's gonna. He's a puppet of the mob. You know, the mob has its fingers in boxing, really deep and so l. is a guy who you know he's an immigrant from, you know, I'll say speech in France, Germany. He comes up as a ballroom dancer competing against George raft in, you know, New York, and then he gets into boxing great, you know, making Nassar's, but he's also really ruthless and he controlling and you're right fighters were pieces of meat, and one writer wrote a profile of out calling. He Hitler Mussalini Stalin and silent agree all rolled into one and this is a complimentary profile, but he's you fight. He could get you to the garden and you did what he told you. He ran your life. He owns you, you know, he would tell you where to eat, what the eat, where sweep you know where to go, who you could date when you could marry. You know, rocky was dating his future wife, you know, Barbara for a few years and they wanted to get married and they had to wait for blessing. And then at their wedding l. gives this toast any basically reminds rocky in front of, you know, a few hundred people that you know, you belong to me and Barbara, you need to, you know, let me. We haven't, and I'll get you to the title. So rocky was very humiliated by that kind of treatment, but he's also shrewd enough to know that needed out while to get to the title. And as he became more successful and started to certain self more and become more confident in the world, he saw some of the things that I'll doing now was getting money off the top always taking half earning officially. But before they would divvy up, you know, they were deduct expenses. Our put all these bogus expenses are, and there was one fight in San Francisco. The second to last fight, and there was an investigation of boxing, and they discovered a ten thousand dollar check that while pinned off the top of the purse. So that was also, I mean that two things to rocky that heightened his paranoia about money and dealing only in cash, which really, you know, dominates his life in retirement, and it also prompts him to walk away from boxing when he's still has placed him. How. How pervasive you obviously have touched on it, and it's a big part of the the essence of the book. Just how crooked. Also, you know, everybody saw raging bull. Everybody knows about Jake lamotta and you know, you know, talk a little bit about guys are being told you have to throw this fight in order to get the next fight. How how did the how did the fight game work back then? Well, the mob has always been around. I mean, it's shadowing characters. There's the action, the lifestyle, gambling. You know, in early fighter who Rockies trainers hung out with out rocky camps was able to tell who the bag man for the nineteen nineteen World Series paying off the Chicago black socks. So you know when Jack Dempsey face gene Tunney in Chicago in the nineteen twenty Al Capone is rooting for Dempsey and the Philadelphia mob is rooting for Tunney. So you've always had the moderate boxing, but what happens when rocky becomes fighting for the title after World War Two, the country change it, and everybody gets. Television set and the two big things that are selling TV's early on our boxing, and I love Lucy and suddenly you know, the mob go there like water, they'd go where the money goes flow in that direction. And you know, after the war there flowing to the waterfront and docks with all the shipping, you know the story of on the waterfront and they're flowing to boxing because suddenly go river TV money. And so- boxing kind of take systematic control of, I mean, the mob, Texas medical troll of boxing and Frankie carbo and the Torius mobster whose implicated in at least five murders with a hitman for murder, Inc. Bugsy Siegel, you know, was prank fellows leading hitman work with Meyer Lansky leeann gangster. He becomes the underworld Commissioner buffing. He's pulling the strings behind the scenes. He's, you know, getting Jake lamotta to take a dive so that he can have a shot at the title a year later, and he controls how while. Rockies manager. And so you know, there's an incident where rocky is coming out of a restaurant in New York, and while says, oh, Frankie's over there, go making feel good. And so you know, he was the underworld Commissioner, boxing, and he would, you know, fixed fights. He would, you know, have people post. That's for him. There was one fight manager named Hymie. The mink wallman who was a three year and he would go place messenger for cargo on fixed by and he would clean up. Everybody had a nickname back then how might. The great ones in Philadelphia. One Frankie's rain hasn't been a blinky Palermo blinky Palermo numbers king blinky Palermo he was the numbers Philadelphia, and he was behind jersey, Joe Alcott when they fought rocky him for the title in Philadelphia in nineteen fifty two. And the reason if I was in Philadelphia was because Walcott's manager who is also a guy connected to blinky couldn't get a manager's license in New York today, the fight right elsia idiot, brotherly love, and they might have fixed tried to fix the fight. When you talk to Rocky's family. And obviously. You know back then it's it's much harder to to to go find records, but but. How much money that rocky make in his in his career will would guesstimate. Well, his biggest purse was about half a million dollars which of course you you get half of. He probably made one or two million dollars, which you know multiply it by the, you know what it was worth then versus today. So he, you know, he made us Stansell amount of money and you know he was a commodity in terms of marketing, you know, heavyweight champion was the most man in the world. He could get all kinds of deals business and loved him. One of his early financial advisers I spent I was Charlie Finley, the insurance managed Chicago who later. Yeah, the owner of the open date. And so he had a lot of, you know, he never wanted for money, but he was. He was, you know that depression era upbringing and then seeing a while steal from him, made him very paranoid about money and e only Bill with cash in retirement, and he stashed it and all kinds of weird places, you know, carry it around and paper bags and stashing toilet bowls curtain rods. And he had a wealthy businessman friend in Florida who had a bomb. Shelter on his estate, and it was a luxurious bomb shelter with carpets pictures on the wall and fast a lot of money down there and tragically when he died young in a plane crash, you know, because he didn't trust Bank. His family could never track down. Most is might. Yeah. There's another great line by sports writer in in Los Angeles. You know when when he found out about the crash and jeopardize that Jim Murray, legendary legendary writer in l. a. what was his line. Well, Rockies plane crash in in Iowa in almost with year will be fifty years ago next year, an August thirty and Jim Murray wrote start the count, he'll get up. A lot of us are wishing today that there were an honest referee in a cornfield in Iowa. And yes, three Iraqi made international headlines pallbearers included, Muhammad Ali, and Joe Louis who he has become pretty good friends with both of them after he retired from the ring and some interesting stories about their relationships that I kind of shed light on. You know his tolerance about race and you know his affinity for black fighters, even though he was kind of cast as the great white hope in the nineteen fifties. And you know he was, I white champions and you know, Joe Louis it knocked out Braddock in nineteen thirty seven, but he had a real tentative for black fighters. You know, Mohammed ALI'S wife at the time told me that the only time she ever saw him, I'll e cry was when he heard that rocky had died. Yeah, I spend a lot of time studying Lee in and he was a great student of the game, the history of the game. Yeah. What he loved to watch it. He loved the history of it. Yeah. And his wife told me that, you know, he would grow up, you know, use the kid in Louisville who got his bike stolen. So he went down to the gym to learn how to fight. And he would listen on his transistor radio to Don Dunphy the great ring announcer, you know, calling rocky Marciano fights for Madison Square Garden and hear the noise and the bell, and you know, heavyweight champion of the world and and that kind of kindled Ollie's dreams to become heavyweight champion. And he admired rocky. And he said he was the only white fighter that he really respected, and and he said he would have given me some trouble. And of course they met up in this is our phony fight computer fight. They called it right before rocky simulated simulated fight about, you know, who would land most punches. I, I remember that I remember that. Yeah, you remember that? Yeah, it was. It was very trendy back. Then you get all these sports. Writers to fill out questionnaires about the strengths and weaknesses of each fire. They feed it into a computer and they come up with all these scenarios for how fight might play out. And then this promoter in Miami hired Ali who was suspended time from fighting because of the fight over the draft in Vietnam and rocky, who was forty five years old and they hired them to go down far according to the script and they would act out various scenario. You know, right cross a Fook. You not me down on my you down and then he would edit it together and they ultimately showed it movie theaters. And so they go down to Miami in the summer of sixty nine and rocky. You know, he's forty five years old about fifty pounds overweight. He trains hard for this because he doesn't wanna bears himself and he loses like forty pounds. He puts it to pay on the covers balked bought. And you know, we are sparring and they really bond. And it's funny like sometimes I'll leave will use this. Quick jab and lick off Rockies to pay and then rocky, oh, get mad and banging on the arm. But you know, the hard rock Mohammed can't lift the salt shaker. Go up dinner at the restaurant that night. And at one point, you know, the rocky gets a little, you know, carried away and he hits them hard in the stomach, and I just kind of exiles and sits down on his stool and refuses to continue until the promoter goes to the Bank and gives them another two hundred two thousand dollars in cash. And then they get to the point where they're supposed to like each other down and neither one wants to be knocked down 'cause they have too much pride. And finally they do it and you know, I'll is winding up. And as he knocks rocky down, he says, dropped the wop and you know, rocky falls down and then spits his mouth piece out and comes up laughing hysterically. And then rocky starts imitating, I'll lease patter about you're the only one that would beat me and and they're just having a ball and when they go out to dinner and they're joined by Henny Youngman comic, which I try to imagine that trio together. But to me, one of the most enduring thing that I came across and you have to really about surprising was the summer of sixty nine, but Kerner commission report is just come out racial strife in America. Riots in the ghettos watch burning and I'll e in in rocky, you're talking about this one day during the break and sparring, and they're sharing grapefruit, and all these peeling off slices and handing it to rocky. And they start talking about this racial strife in America. And you know, rocky says, what about you? And me white man a blackmail if we went into the places, talked about how we could all get along. And leak starts to get really excited when you do it, would you do it? And they finally agree that they would do it. And then two weeks later Rockies killed in a plane crash. So they never had a chance to do it. So many so many. Great. So many great stories. Just really struck me. This goes back to the Italian immigration experience rocky identified, and he talked to ALI'S wife and I'll leave about, you know, keep your chin up. You know, you're fighting the US government the year, black, Noah, ten, and here's, this is Lana quack. Noah ten from the sixties years. Brock, you the white conformist from the fifty and to him, he's looking at leave at least going through and he's remembering his childhood when talion were persecuted. When faculty Benz Eddie were taken off the Bali, the Brockton trolley near rocky grandfather's house. And you know, railroad is per shoe factory robbery, dating, commit and sent to the electric chair. Yeah. And so he identified with that struggle, and I thought that was really interesting and showed a depth Iraqi that maybe people didn't realize he had. Well, you know, for for guys who. See sports as. You know this bigger than life thing. You know, the way we've made today, it's all encompassing. You know, you can't turn on TV now for the next six months and not have your your brain fried with NFL stuff, you know, and every minute of every day and these guys, you know, analyze and dissect it. And you know, when you think back to the fifties, forties and fifties. These guys fought because they needed to make a living. And it today guys don't play to make a living. They. They've already made enough money that they can't spend it all the rest of their lives, their their kids, grandkids, and great grandkids will never have to work if they don't want to. But back then these guys are trying to earn a living. And it's it was it took on a whole different. Whole different meaning in it meant more when you agree might. Absolutely. You know, the stakes were a lot higher for people in the margin for error, a lot slimmer, and there were no guaranteed contracts back then and you were a piece of meat. You know, you could be used up today discarded tomorrow, and it was a pretty brutal world and the fact that rocky was able to navigate all that come out, you know, fairly clean, but then you know his demons kind of caught up with them with this kind of nomadic lifestyle. He had it retirement and you know, led to his desk because he's too cheap to take a commercial flight. You know, keep you take a free plane ride on a little Festa with a guy that turned out to be an inexperienced pilot and they go into a massive thunderstorm and he crashed. But yeah, getting back to your other question, I mean, these were, you know, these are blue collar guys in the ring and it was a blue collar country. I mean. Even looking at New York. I mean, if you go to New York today, it's not what you be and you know, I really capture that loss New York when there's dockworkers and the working class people. Yeah, you know, along with the this well to go into to shores after the after the fight and rocky, you know, the other thing he really identified with, you know, the factory town. He came out of Brockton and all the people in Brockton versus that old Italian culture. They don't gamble on his fight, and you have all these poor people who are betting money on Rocky's fight than they take the winning bet it all on his next fight next fight. And you know, there's a taxi driver who's driving this old Italian couple to the the Bank to borrow money to bet on Rocky's fight, and they do it every night and he says, God helped his pound if he ever loses. And of course you never did, and there was, you know, he's knocked down by jersey, Joe Walcott losing on points and shot for the title. And he said later that, you know, I always knew that you know, these people in Brockton were. Betting on meet counting on me for them. I would always get up and you always had that affinity for Brockton, you know, the big shoe factory capital and the the football team at Brockton high with the Schuman. And you know, when he went into the ring, he wore the the black and red rope that were the colors of Brock and high school. And later of course today the team is nicknamed the boxers and there's a thirty foot bronze statue of rocky Marciano that looks out over the football stadium. Great stuff. Great stuff. For those of you out there that. Are looking for a not not just a history lesson, which it is and not just the boxing lesson. Which it is. It's it's really a an American lesson. It's it's, it's a story of America. You touch on a little bit. Mike. I'm beaten rocky. Marciano, fight for perfection in crooked world is really a America. It encompasses all the things that America was in at the time. And I think anybody who reads it can can talk to their depending how old you are parents. Great. Parents grandparents, great grandparents, and they'll be able to tell you what what those times were like, and and the history that was being written back then I think you've captured it. Mike, can I hope I hope there's another book in your. In your future. ABI, be anxious to. There is what's it going to be about. I think I want to write a biography of Raymond, patriarch, the longtime New England mob boss. Oh yeah, course based in providence it'd be my Rhode Island, my providence trilogy. There you go. He's an interesting guy. He started. He came up with the mob and during prohibition bootlegging days, and he kind of paralleled the rise of organized crime in America. You know, through the casinos in Las Vegas in the sixties and he, he was the one of the ruling commission numbers nationally. Bobby Kennedy, actually clashed with him and Senate rackets hearings. And later started the witness protection program to protect a hitman who testified against Raymond didn't get him. But there were stories that the Kennedys try to enlist wanna, patriarch owes hit-men to take out Castro. And just to kind of tie it all together. This man committed a famous mob hit that a young buddies, the ANSI prosecuted as a prosecutor. That's him in politics. Try to prosecute Raymond Patriarca. So it's all like we like to say all, and it's all one big story, but it's all connected, right? It's all it's all connected. It goes beyond the borders. And yeah, you know. Yeah, so well, it's, it's funny. I, I don't know if you've ever read if you've ever read the book. I heard you paint houses. I know about it. I need to read it, but yeah, yeah, it's coming out as a movie. And it's typical, you know, it's a Scorsese film, you know, and it's typical. It's got the Niro Pacino and Joe patchy, and you know Ray Romano and you know all the cast of characters and it's got all these characters at you talk about, you know, Lino and Patriarca and the guys in in in Philly and seem giancana and Marcello, and it's got them all and m Rhode Island's, right there. Providence is right there. And I don't know if you've got the center, but Bufalino and Bruno from Philadelphia. They pop up in the final chapters of rocky soccer. He's retired. He's dealing with the guy, and he's going to Angelo bought. Angelo. Bruno was was the guy in Philly and and and to. He had casinos in Cuba before Castro came in and rocky had offered, get an a stake in one of those casinos. And he got advice from Bruno who advised him not to do it. And this is right before master took over and shut down the casino. Well. Can't wait to read it. You're here on campus love to get together with you at some point. Then. Talk, boxing, talk baseball, right? You know any any time it's been. It's been really fascinating for those of you out there. Beaten again, unbeaten rocky Marciano, fight for perfection in a crooked world. Mike Stanton. Professor at the university of Connecticut Pulitzer prize. Investigative reporter and. I thank you Mike. For doing this. It was it was a real. It was a real pleasure in. I'm getting a lot of enjoyment out of the book and I'm looking forward to, as I said, I know the ending, but I wanna I wanna find out how we get their journey and been a pleasure talking to us. Well, Gino and I'll look for young campus. Thanks, Mike, appreciate banks, you know, take care. Take care while there you have it folks that our went by really, really quickly. Mike Stanton, again, professor at the university of Connecticut talking mostly about the city of providence buddy CNC, and then rocky Marciano, the heavyweight champion of the world unbeaten untied on challenged forty-nine. No, I learned a little bit and I'd read the book and I didn't know some of the things we talked about. Hope you enjoyed it. Find out when we're going to be on next time it'll be as entertaining and informative. As we usually are. And until then this is where we Emma upholding court, which oria saints later.

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Kratom, with Dr Oliver Grundmann

Say Why To Drugs

35:22 min | 1 year ago

Kratom, with Dr Oliver Grundmann

"Hello. And welcome to another episode. Say why to drugs, thanks to everyone who listened to an enjoyed the last episode with author, Mike. Jay about mescaline I'm joined by special guest of this one dot all of a grand men from the university of Florida. Oliver is a clinical assistant, professor and has expertise in medicinal chemistry and an interest in research into substance. He's in this episode he told me all about chrome Elif that grows native in southeast Asia, and has mild stimulant effects in low doses and sedative effects at higher levels. It's been subject to media and governmental scrutiny in the USA recently as the debate rages about whether to regulate it or research, it without further ado, all of a graffman, and I say why to criticism. Doc deceit yet. So I guess the first thing is can I just get you to introduce yourself? Please Jerry certainly, thank you. So my name is Oliver. Frontmen. I got my bachelors and pharmacy and my pharmacist degree from the university of minister in Germany, and then fate kind of got me out to the US to the university of Florida and that's where I did my graduate studies from Unical, scientists primarily with an emphasis on the central nervous system activity of plant extracts, and that's what I graduated in also, primarily on a plant extract from Japan that actually it anti-depressant thanks to actively. And now I'm clinical associate professor at the university of Florida director of online programs in clinical toxicology in from a suit of chemistry and my research focus is on central nervous system activity of natural products since two thousand fifteen I developed an interest in quantum primarily. Because of the increased report off both toxicity, as well as a reports of beneficial effects users reporting benefits of Craton. Yeah. And say the reason that we first connected is because in my book, I'm writing at the moment I wanted to write about chrome, but actually, I didn't really know great deal about a tool, and I came across a paper, that you'd written and just kind of codes Email to us sort of your advice and you very kindly of to read over the chapter. And so it seemed like a great opportunity to get your expertise about credit them. I or could you just tell us a little bit about what crap is so, yeah. I actually stumbled across crap from myself. It was a graduate student of mine that got me interested in classroom itself is a plant or tree, that is native to southeast Asia, so Malaysia Thailand, Indonesia, it is a tree that grows close to streams or two waterways. Both. The tweet itself, Madrid Gina's spooky. As well as the leaf material that is harvested from it is referred to as cropped on as sometimes natives also referred to, as, as a K Tom or be yuck. Depending on the region where you in the Craton is in the same family as coffee. So there is a when you look at the leaf actually it's a it's kind of waxy leaf relatively sturdy. It's similar to the coffee plant leaf. So there is some similarity between the two but in times of the psychoactive substance, it's not. It's not very caffeine loss. Right. No, it is not so in Madrid spooky ios. And crotch on the current active ingredients that are really researched very heavily are a metric Guinan and seven hydroxy dragon among others. And those look structurally, much more complex than coffee and caffeine and exert very different defects primarily. What is currently focused on? Is there tippety on opioid receptors in a manner? That is a little bit different from the activity that Connecticut, opioids like morphine or heroin would exert. But they definitely bind to opioid receptors. And what's the appeal of croutons of who uses Crotone and wide? Why do people use it in a traditional setting in Malaysia in Thailand, or in Indonesia, the plant material has been used for centuries in two ways? So those who are laborers, day, laborers use of the fresh leaves that pick it off the tree primarily aged leaves so mature leaves and on it briefly, and then they spit it out again, and then it has actually a stimulant effect. That is somewhat similar to caffine to the effects of caffine, and they do that throughout the day to basically entail. Pain their stamina because Thailand Malaysia these are all countries that are in sub tropical areas where you have temperatures and high humidity. You have to be out and about for a long period of time during the day. But there's also a preparation where you have either, fresh leaves or right? Leave material and you prepared as a decoction as basically a tea preparation, and you cook it for a longer period of time, you steam it, and then in that form, you have more of an analogy Zeke effect a pain relieving affect, and a sedating effect. So quite the opposite. So we don't necessarily know yet entirely how that works y behalf. This kind of opposite effects reef exposure, chewing, the leaves, you have a stimulant defect longer. Exposure time in cooking or boiling, the leaves, and you have a more sedative and a pain relieving effect, but we know. That the these are the two main uses of, of the leaf material, and that's, that's how people often use the substance in places where the plant grows natively so Malaysia and places in south East Asia, but it's also been used quite widely, or certainly becoming more used in the US as well. Isn't it? Yes. So we don't know exactly how far the states back in terms of its usage in the US of the I reports case reports that we have off talks ity of adverse effects, and that is what we primarily have to relate rely on in the literature. They back to the early two thousands, but we don't know exactly how for how long it has been used prior to that by quantum users, we uncertain about how far dates back, but in the US, and that's where one of our studies was looking at and some follow up studies to that are being conducted based on a survey that we conducted in. In two thousand I have to think about two thousand sixteen. I think it was was looking at about eight thousand current crotch on users of that. We're using Creighton in various doses. And also for what purposes and we determined kind of four major purposes, one is purpose of using Crotone to mitigate opioid or elicit a withdrawal symptoms, so not necessarily only opioids, but also other illicit drugs, that can be unfed Amon that can be benzodiazepines or other drugs to which somebody developed a substance use disorder then the second category was a to mitigate withdrawal symptoms from a prescription drug so that could be in contrast to heroin could be to a prescription drugs, such as an antidepressant to which we know we can also develop a dependence as well as to a prescription. An opioid, and then we had two other categories. One was to self tweet acute or chronic pain, and the last category was for self treatment of an emotional or mental disorder amid a if it was diagnosed when not diagnosed and majority of folks in this survey were actually using it for the self treatment of acute, or chronic pain, or for mental, or emotional disorder. No matter if that was diagnosed or not diagnosed. So what about sort of recreational use to people just use it for the occasion effect? There were people who were using it for that purpose and that was not necessarily something that we looked at an hour survey, but it was done in other surveys. And that is obviously something if, if somebody wants to get high. So to say on crotch on that is a possibility. One limiting factor. With quantum. Is that it is a whole leaf basically adjusted? Right. Leave that is being crushed powdered. So you cannot inject it. And hence the only way to really use. It is to ingest it to either Bruti out of it or dissolve the powder into sludge and dissolved into a tea or make with orange juice to avoid the bitter taste because it's not very tasty, and then ingested getting high on a they are definitely case reports that somebody was intoxicated within that they showed signs of intoxication, either of the stimulant kind or of the more sedative opioid like kind, but you need to have significant amounts in your system for majority of people, it leads to vomiting, nausea vomiting or gastrointestinal symptoms before they reach that height. So to say so it. Is not very common to reach that high of concentration blood concentration of either metre Guinan or seven hydroxy mature Guinan with the next question I was going to ask you about the intoxicating effects. I think we've already covered this a little bit. I'm Ryan thinking that intoxication onset occurs, sort of fifteen minutes to half an hour after a person's consumed it can love for quite a while. So the four to six hours, potentially and small doses we get this kind of caffeine like stimulant effects in higher doses. We get something more akin to an an opiate. Do we know much more about what into -cational Craton his life from user reports we know that the high, that is chief d- when somebody wants to get the same high that they expect to get from Connecticut, opioids like morphine or heroin that kind of sedative more relaxing chilling high. That one would expect to get from other opioids. They would prefer to. Rather stick to heroin or morphine than to switch to cricket on that has been shown by other researchers that have looked at that particular population of substance users who used craft on and also used Tauern or more compared the two, and it was definitely not preferred by those users, instead, actually, they used it also as mitigation strategy to reduce the heroin or substance use disorder consumption, basic me, so it doesn't provide the same high at dusk provide a somewhat relaxing, a lowest sedation level that one would expect to get from potentially a therapeutic or a high therapeutic end of an opioid with a stimulant effect initially in the literature, I think around the early twentieth century that were reports that it had a cocaine like stimulant affect now. Now, those have been kind of retracted and have in now more compared to a caffeine like affect. Somebody were ingesting like two cups of coffee or something like that. It's not comparable to that of unfettered men's or like Darshan Singh, has done some research in that regard and found that a methamphetamine users, which is a large population. Unfortunately, in Malaysia are not likely to switch to Creighton for their stimulant use of from methamphetamine. So once again, it doesn't provide the same stimulant effects as he would get from Madame Fetterman, but rather a smoother were not as intoxicating level of stimulant effect. Now that being said, we always have to consider the inter individual variability in effect. There are people who are very sensitive to drugs of versus others who are not as sensitive to drugs. And then we have. Enzyme expression level variability and all of these things. So that might be an individual who is very sensitive to these effects, and others who are not as sensitive. I guess it's worth pointing out that people might be sensitive to some drugs, but not others. So it's not necessarily sensitive to older. It might be that some you are in some you'll correct? And it was interesting what you were saying about it. So being compelled to cocaine, but then sort of thinking, maybe it's more like caffeine paps, it sort of more similar to chewing coca leaf than it is to snorting a line of cocaine. Yes. I think that's, that's a good comparison. Because the comparison was made at a time when snorting cocaine was, obviously not really something that people did all that often. So maybe it was actually comparison to more of coca leaf chewing, which is still traditionally done in Peru, and other regions in South America. If people take very high dose of Crato, make an experience dizziness, nausea. Companies that riots that is definitely and that was an hour survey. Well, it's the most common adverse effects were nausea vomiting, gastrointestinal constipation, which is coming with opioids that, were the most common adverse effects that people reported from it, and intensive than long term effects. Do we know much about those? Do we think Chrysler, might be dependence foaming, for example? There are definitely reports in the literature of that Crotone can lead to tolerance and dependence, how this relates to the dose, we don't know, yet, in doses that are usually recommend it one, two, three grams per dose, a majority of people that use quantum currently in in at least the surveys that were conducted to date, and in, in the traditional setting in Malaysia. We know that most people use it unethically chew it, if they use it more for the energy. Pain relieving effects, they use it in the range of one to three or five grams per does. And that's when they usually stop. They don't go higher, and they use it between two to four times per day. That's usually how often did is being used above five grams per day. That's when you also see a rapid increase in adverse effects or higher risk of adverse effects. Let's say that way and you notice that, that there might be an increased risk for tolerance development and also the risk for dependence development. What has been seen, and Darshan Singh, investigate that recently is that the dependence that develops to crowd them. And that has once again, being shown, he conducted that study in Malaysia, and it was not as to veer as for opioid use disorders, and therefore patients that were misusing abuse. Zing developed a dependence on Crotone didn't perceive, a their dependence as, as severe and usually within three to seven days, the withdrawal symptoms would subside. I'm what kind of symptoms might people experience intensive withdrew? A so what has been reported so four is education guts, intestinal upset sleep disturbances general mood swings comparable to opioid withdrawal, but on a much milder level so really the, the education is one of the primary things that somebody gets agitated might be more aggressive or easily aggravated the end the gastrointestinal symptoms. Diarrhea might be present and then headaches, a very common as well. Seizures have not been reported as far as I'm aware, although one should monitor depending on how high the dose walls before the seizure. Threshold may be lowered. So somebody had the underlying conditions that might make them more prone to seizure disorders than that should be monitored. That might be an increase in heart rate, and blood pressure as well. So that should be monitored and aside, from that, Mon, nausea vomiting as well can occur in terms of any of a longtime effects. Do we know if people are putting themselves at risk by using Creswell heavily over long periods of time? So I think the one thing that needs to be pointed out, anybody who wants to use crop on either for recreational uses or for self treatment of any condition whatsoever. No matter if it's a diagnosed or non diagnosed condition should definitely be aware that it can cause drug interactions. We are not certain to what extent these drug interactions may contribute to potential fatalities. Because they are case reports. We are crotch from wasps reported in conjunction with the use of other drugs, infidelities, so that is something that people need to be aware of, and the best course of action in these situations is, especially if somebody takes in opioid or any other record has seen SF tippety including alcohol. It's important to, to consult with the healthcare providers in these situations before taking on, and especially if these crop products purchased over the internet because some of these products may either be contaminated adulterated. Some of them do not contain adequate information on the label, and you might not even know what you getting as consumer, especially if we have something like something that is contaminated with Fenton, analogs, or other opioids that, obviously puts the consumer at an imminent risk of overdoses, and that is a risk that. They need to be acutely aware of for people who do use crossover long. Periods of time. The have been some case reports of jaundice and psychosis haven't is that strong evidence that might cool or is that quite weak. So there have been instances and reports so far we only have case reports on that. So we can tell for certain if there are other underlying factors. If actually walls causative net or if the person already had an underlying disorder, and it was a bystander effect that crap Tom contributed to it. And wasn't actually the causative agent in. We need more information to contribute to that at this point, we've said this on the cosmetic times before that. Just because there's a lack of evidence doesn't mean it's not the case, it just means that we can't tally, the way at the moment thought that have been these case studies might indicate a high risk, but we can't say set in right now, especially come onto some of the myths, and misconceptions that exist around chrome. The first one. I've got is a crack Thome is an opioid, and it wasn't me who came up with this myth. It was someone very high up in the US food and Drug administration, though Commissioner in fact, wasn't it? Yes, the former Commissioner Dr Gotlib, who I regardless of very competent person. But on this one, he relied on data the so-called face model at which is a computational model that was used which basically is an silica model so computer model, which use you have the opioid receptor modeled in the computer, and then you model the active pocket where the binding pocket where a molecule would bind to the receptor, and this is a great way to start your drug discovery pathway, if you want to see how does your new drug actually interact with the target that. He wanted to intact with, but it doesn't tell you much about what happens afterwards because you cannot look at the complexity of the organism or even the cell, what does the cell do afterwards after the drug binds to that target to that receptor to the opioid receptor? So the first part of the statement that Mitchell Guinan seven hundred sixty metre Guinan and other alkaloids present in Crotone bind to opioid receptors. It's true. I agree with that. And I think nobody actually wants to argue about that, but that they are just like opioids. That is in my opinion, and in the opinion of many of my colleagues that I work with is not correct or needs to be refined that say that way because what happens after Mitchell Guinan seven hundred Guinan and other at least Mitchell Gannon seven eyedrops, which, again, we know, for sure. Bind to it is that there are two pathways that are activated in response to classical opioids because of the opiate receptors of ecology protein receptor. I don't want to go too much into depth about that, but one pathway is the traditional one that everybody kind of not everybody, but most of us who go to medical school or our healthcare professionals know about it. It's like the, the secondary messenger pathway that leads to some kind of intracellular activity. But then there's a second half way across the beta invest in two pathways that I actually never had heard of before I studied crime, and this one is not activated by metro Guinan, and seven or not recruited by Madrid seven hundred sixty metre Guinan, and it has been shown that second halfway in particular seems to be associated with many off the adverse outcomes of respiratory depression, guest when. Donal side effects, and even dependence to some level, in addition to that we also have to consider that Mitch Guinan and seven had seen regain regaining are considered partial agonists, as so they do not exert the same Hayek tippety as more fun with heroin were would exert. A are exerting at the opioid receptors and just going to try and see if I've understood dot to explain it back to you. So what you're saying is just because something act on the opioid receptors. It's not doesn't open, mathematically. Make it an opioid. It's the effect that it has on the organism. That's consumed that defines whether it's an opioid do not correct. Yes. Okay. So myth, number two the different colored veins, in the leaves of the Kroto Plum have different effects all come from different plants or there's something special about the veins of the leaves being different colors. We had some positive him in February. Of this year in Orlando at the university of Florida. We had quite a few folks from Malaysia at that symposium, and we were arguing not arguing we were actually asking them. So what is it with the different Baynes, and they were asking us, what is it about the different Wayne's, because they don't distinguish between the vein cutter? They don't have green, white or Red Wings Kroto. They don't have different trees with different vein colors what they noticed is that during development during menstruation off the leaves. You might notice the vein color changing over time. So you might actually see white veins green veins red veins on the same tree. They don't distinguish between those. They just collect of the leaves, and that's it. So at this point, we do. Not know if there's actually any differentiation of between those what we do know is that there are no different species of crab, Tom that would exert a different defect. And it has not been researched to my knowledge. I couldn't find anything in the literature that there are based on the alkaloid content of metric analysts have night bucks image were Guinan, a distinction in the stimulant or appeared like affects between red white or green veins crop Tom, okay? So the last myth I have we've kind of already touched on this, but it's that cross consumption can lead to death. That's a tough one. Every death is a tragedy obviously. And if CRA has been detected I don't want to dismiss that, that quantum might not have played a role potentially in, in that death. The issue is that the way that we. Currently detect crowd home, primarily is through metro Guinan alone. Mithra Guinan measured in the blood is kind of all over the place currently. So from the few medical examiner reports the autopsy reports the talks reports that we have it, it's kind of all over the place, the, the blood concentrations. Sometimes we have lower blood concentrations of than the one Connectic study in humans that we have. And then we have exceedingly high concentrations, that are would be very hard to achieve by just ingesting crop. Tom as a as as plant material, as leaf material, what is missing is the causative link between chrome ingestion and the fatality. In addition, we have to recognize that in a vast mature. Priority of cases, I think, except for one case so far other substances of were present in a post mortem in, in these fatalities, so either it was benzodiazepine. It was alcohol it was another opioid. Once again, linking, Crotone directly causative, Louis to the death of the individual is not justified at this point. It might have been a contributing factor. But we have to realize that we have other substances on the market. If you look at Luke Perry made, which is an opioid, which is used to treat diarrhea when we travel, for example, we have a sediment, Affin or paracetemol, as it's called elsewhere, which causes liver damage and death in thousands. If not tens of thousands of people here, no matter if it's intentional or for. Children in many cases, unintentional because it's additive it's, it's a combination product in so many different preparations. I don't believe that at this point at these, I don't see the evidence presented sufficiently that links. The cows -ation of a fatality to Crotone exposure, solely. And as the causative agent on it's been some deaths in Sweden will link to cross him. But that was the substance school crip till I think is what it's nine isn't it? Which is crush them mixed with a substance that Sam related to trauma. The active metabolite of trauma old death metal trama dole that was obviously intentional. It was not sold as crap from even it was already sold as a product. That was so really as a recreation or product. And even the report itself, the publication itself stated that Odessa. Muffle trauma, dual was found there and was likely that the causative contributor to the deaths of, of these individuals. Okay. So moving away from the midst now this crystalline on have any medical benefit. Yeah. So that's a, that's a great question. The research that is currently being conducted. So actually the first time that metric Guinan was trying to be patented was back in the nineteen seventies. And it never really went through. I don't know because it wasn't natural product or there were other promising candidates. I don't I don't know, necessarily that was the case, the patent was withdrawn it is my belief that as a partial agonists that does not recruit beta in it has promised as a new drug that targets opioid receptors in a manner that classical will appeal it's currently do not describe him as a. As a leaf extract have a medical benefits. I believe so too. I don't think that necessarily all of the activity of that is currently ascribed to all of the pharmacological benefits, all of the medical benefits that are derived from it are solely based on the Elkin Lloyd's. I think there's more to it as actually when you look at excited disorders. The entity present defects, potentially. I believe there's more to the leave extract than just the alkaloids. So, I think it is worth exploring both the leaf extract as a whole as well as potentially using mature Guinan as a kind of scaffold as a lead structure in the development of a new book, the issue at the moment that we facing is, we have a relatively significant crowd user population that is already using the leaf extract, if they using it to mitigate or replace with self. Treat their opioid use disorder and we take crap from way by placing it into schedule one in the US or into into some restricted category in the UK or somewhere else. What is happening to those people who are successfully tweeting. They will use disorder. I understand that there should be a medical provider involved in, in helping those people treat their substance use disorder. I agree that, that should be done under medical supervision. And I encourage everybody who's currently using crunch on, for mitigation of a substance use disorder to consult with a medical provider, because that is the best, way forward, usually only using chrome or any other medication by itself is not the best treatment approaches Bethany if you do it by yourself. You the therapy in combination with a drug is the best way. Way to really solve the problem and get away from it long term. I think that quantum has a use if it is used responsibly. That is my, my opinion. I mean that kind of brings me onto the last question I have, which is what don't we know about Cretans of what kind of research is ongoing of the questions that people are interested in, in relation to Kroto what we actually know quite a few things about quantum. So in regards to its dependence, and abuse liability of we know very little about it. Still, we know that there is a dependence potential for it. But we don't know exactly if it is Michigan whose, which is responsible for it, or if it's seven hydroxy Mitch Guinan I hinted earlier this, when I said that we don't actually know seven hundred metre Guinan is present in the native expect in the native leaf material, were, if it is a product that is generated during the drying process, or, or something along those lines. So that is still something that we after we don't know much about the other alkaloids that are present in. The extract in leave material. And that is something that might help us to figure out is Mitch regaining actually, the best lead structure for new truck to be developed were is the, the overall effects of crowd. Tom really in interplay of all of these different alkaloids and potentially other compounds that are present in the leaf extract a lot of questions remain unanswered at this point that we still can look into and that still need to be explored all under the assumption that Grantham, and Mitchell Guinan seven hydroxy mature Guinan are not being scheduled at this point. Well, it sounds like it's quite an exciting field to be working in any way. Chrome is, is definitely exciting to, to conduct research in the many people that I have been working with has been really a pleasure and blessing. Also, the Email exchange that I get and the emails that I received from. Regular folks. So to say that describe the experiences with crime. Thome has really humbled me and taught me that there is so much more that we can learn about crunch them. Well lot seemed like a great place to end it. So talk to thank you so much feel time. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. When they were they willing other than that we gave research into castle is ongoing, as all of a set. So watch this space say, watch drugs will be back in two weeks time in the next episode of we joined by Dr amid England's talk about cannabis dial one of the components that makes up cannabis and one that has been appearing on a high streets in recent months. Thanks as always to Adam Richardson, for the outworked, Jim Murray for the music unto the distraction pieces network for generally being lovely boys. See will in a couple of weeks by.

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