12 Burst results for "Jim Malcolm"
"jim malcolm" Discussed on Travel with Rick Steves
"If, you're , ready for a memorable road trip where there's more to explore the freeway rest stops Chandler O'Leary wants to take you up the US west coast. . She joined us a few months ago with tips for driving the Pacific. . Coast highway from San Diego to big Sur, , the redwoods and the Pacific northwest rainforest. . She's back to recommend a few of the inland highlights from the desert playground palm springs through the orchards. . California's Central Valley, , old western Sacramento, , and all the way up to my home turf around Seattle the detailed in her book the Best Post, , a road trip Alice Chandler welcome back. . Thank you for having me. . So we talked about the coastal route before now we're GonNa talk about the inland. . Route make a case for not taking the coastal route because I would think everybody wants to go up the coast, , but you make the inland sound pretty good. . I feel like if you like your vintage, , Americana this the road trip for you and yeah, , you're not gonna see the coasts until you get all the way up to Washington but if you're really into things like palm springs and mid, century , architecture old neon signs, , a roadside attractions, , you're going to get tons of that on this route. . I love roadside attractions, , publicity stunts from fifty of your. . What are few of those that come to mind because I just think they're so funky. . The giant oranges that used to be Oliver California and there's a couple of them left and they were they to be drink stands for you know when you were thirsty on the road, , you get fresh California orange juice right and they're still a couple of them left along old either farm. . There's farm country all the way along the way absolutely all three states. . So we're going sixteen hundred miles and apparently it's the old isn't isn't like the highway ninety nine is of it is yeah and in California highway. Ninety . nine mostly is still intact and it's even a freeway in some places, , but once you get into Oregon and Washington because of the mountains, , it starts getting a little bit tricky kind of pick. . Cherry pick sections of the old road and then connect with I five. . Yes. . It's just like route sixty six how it's kind of been swallowed up by interstate in places like five is it's sort of the enemy on the other hand. . It's practical because he gets you from A to B in a hurry. . Yeah. . What's your philosophy you're gonna go from going basically from San Diego to Bellingham Right <hes>. . What's your philosophy on the balance between I five in the old roads I think you wanna use I five when you WanNa, , make good time and take the old rose if you wanna have a good time. . That's kind of how I look at it good time or have a good time. . That's good. . So let's talk about California first of all New Mexico on one side of the border and collection collects. . It collects co is on the or is on the California side and Mexico on the Mexico side. So . that's where a route starts are these kind of sister towns in away or are unfortunately there's a big old wall separate him so you Or now you have to go through the big international the big national checkpoint <hes> because I did that between San Diego and Tijuana was easy just walk across I think right now that's not the same as it used to be, , but it may be again I mean who who knows what we're starting in Calexico then What's the flavor of collects goes? ? That's just a springboard or anything to do there. . It's a sleepy small town and but it's kind of you kind of get the flavor of where you're starting and you're going to start out in the low desert. . You're below sea level here that's below civil come into palm springs. . A waste. . It is palm springs to us. . Palm Springs is is kind of Wacky. . It got big in the nineteen fifties. . So there's a lot of great mid century architecture there, , but it's very glamorous. . It's very glitzy. . There's a lot of designers their fashion show was movie stars that doesn't retirement communities to. . snowbirds it's kind of this weird mix of college spring breakers and snowbirds. . Okay. . So you put that in your checklist and then some I know in your book, , you talk about a lot of worthy detours you know in one of your favorites would be Joshua Tree National Park. . Yes. . Joshua tree is stunning and Joshua tree trees actually the high desert. . So it's above palm springs at altitude. . So it has a completely different desert climate <hes> different plants, , different animals. . So Joshua Tree is one of these cartoon book yeah. . Of Justice Joshua Tree is these classic kind of quintessential cactus Yes. . Yes. . So what do you do in Joshua Tree National Park Jessica cactus there's a great hikes. . There's actually only those cactus in one small part of the park is an enormous park. . So there's different bombs great rock formations they are beautiful scenery and
"jim malcolm" Discussed on The PR Playbook Podcast
"Right. Okay. So which then leads right into step five, which is move the conversation. Back to your owned properties right. So now, I've got my influencers out there. I got my associates they've been all fed with the information they're all communicating to the market. Now I've got to bring that back to my property back to my website because that's what I care about is how many people are GonNa come to my site and learn from me or by from me or engage with me. Now, the way that I would do that again, just stick with that photo example is. Out A press release. Right I can put out a press release that says this weekend the explorers of lights are going to be presenting how to do a portrait or the artisans are going to be showing a lifestyle whatever it is but now I started to take an online property it build it into communication strategy that drives traffic and awareness and interest to those affiliates, all of which who have a vested interest in coming back to the brand for purchase. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So it's this giant piece of. Pr and maybe it's advertising may be as highlighting maybe it's having them attend or support trade shows when we get back to trade shows some day. And something as simple as links into your brand website. So let's have a let's say I have a hundred. influencers that are out there I want all one hundred of them to have a link from their websites in their properties back into my corporate brand because that helps me with Seo right the search engine optimization when I get more relevant links into my website because it puts me as the trusted adviser and puts me as the leader. Yeah. I can right and then I can link out to those relevant influencers as well because there is also brand value for me saying Una link from my corporate brand to this high end celebrity or or or influencer or quite frankly even in each expert that. Maybe, is really good at putting tops on bottoms at factory level in machine vision. Right. Again like I said, you can do this all the way across second. Yeah. This is awesome. Absolutely. Yeah. So those are kind of the five steps I would say to to bring them all together and if you compensate your affiliates correctly. Or aggressively. They'll put a dis-. A they'll they'll put. An emphasis, an emphasis on your product and getting your brand out there. A, lot of times I hear people get confused when they start thinking about affiliate marketing. Let's just I'm going GONNA throw out some numbers that doesn't really matter. Let's say as a product I, sell it and I usually get fifty points of margin on that product. And it cost me forty points of margin to sell it. So I have ten points profit now my CFO Mike Oh. Goodness Jim, you want to pay your influence or more than ten percent of the value of the product you're going to be in a loss position. Challenge him to think about it a little bit differently. If I I have an effective influence are out there who is delivering my curated ran message right my content that I've created my message that is in line with my brand. I'm paying that influence or to deliver an authentic and unified message instead of paying. Youtuber facebook or hey, y'all re really any property right could be the New York Times it could be NBC. It could be whatever channel it is. It is a different media channel so I can incent. My in frame answers. Or affiliates again it's a where we're part of the conversation where what we really call this network people. Beyond what the value of that sale brings me because really what I'm doing is I am moving my Budget out of a media bucket and into a new media bucket, which is this affiliate program. Yeah. Yeah which is tied back to sales which has very clear KPI's against it, which has a very clear return on investment because. I don't have to pay. In less that individual performs. Right. So That's it. I, feel like I feel like you should stop because this is. Make or break a brand, and I think this is amazing. Those five points really some enough on I hope whoever's listening takes those five points right now and goes and things about what they're doing with their marketing program and applies it immediately in again try to think outside of exactly what Jim was saying obviously, it's a you know he's giving one example, but this can apply to any market. So really you have to think broadly about how apply to your program if you're a startup, how is if your tech? Company. How does apply what you're doing if you're in the enterprise space does is what you're doing and you can actually have these englanders every kind of space. On a consumer electronics hey, just you know it's a very it's a little bit more tangible because you're talking consumer. Sales but from an enterprise space, there's a president of influencers as well. So just think about who you know who's in your network what makes sense the from abroad perspective Jim Thank you so much. This is great. Great. Great Information where can people find you so they can hire you. So the easiest way to find me is on linked in. So link to knock COM slash in slash Jim Malcolm all one word or if you WANNA learn more about me, I, did stand up a own website. So there is something called Jim Malcolm Dot Bio and You can go there and you can learn all about my background what I do and some of my accomplishments and I would love to work with new and innovative companies. This is amazing. Thank you. Again end everybody. Thank you for joining us for the PR playbook podcast on influence I didn't even know I think we have to rename its includes marketing anymore but. Joining US Jim's.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on 77WABC Radio
"I'm John not sure this is the job that so with that is with Qatar of American greatness and we're joined by Malcolm how live conference of presidents of major American Jewish organizations reporting on the turmoil in the Middle East we go immediately to the United Nations agency the I. A. E. A. the nuclear watchdog reporting that Iran the Islamic Republic of Iran late of the Iran deal in late Obama administration according to the IEA is violating all restrictions of the nuclear deal in a confidential document distributed to member countries the international atomic energy agency reported Friday last that Iran has continued to increase its stockpiles of enriched uranium remains in violation of its deal with world powers as of may twenty third runs total stockpile of low enriched uranium amounts to one point seven three times according to the arms control association in Washington Ron would need one point one six tons of low enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon in other words they have the makings of a bomb not a very good evening to you this looks like world shaking news however given the virus given the disorder in America we come to it thanks to you and we ask if Iran is now in violation of all of the restrictions from the so called Iran deal and so called promises to the U. N. does that mean that Iran is now finally to be regarded as a as as a bad actor by the United Nations and by all those who have been reluctant to acknowledge the Iran deal was a failure good evening Jim Malcolm an interview Hanson said he is I think the answer on all counts his yes if you take the checklist of all the with the patients that they would be that would be met by Iran of only stockpiling point forty seven pounds then Richard Rainey and that the the it was supposed to be incorrect to purity of four point five percent it is being in which to four point five one it was not supposed to be about three point six seven Iran is above the tax limitation on heavy water and many others as locations that they are not allowing the I. ETA international completely agency inspectors to visit and a lot of this information surprise bill coming from the archives that Israel as he put it out of the of the Iran several years ago and it's still a treasure chest of information and guiding the inspectors who are looking at these places where both military and non military violations may be taking place and they they these are they they saw activities which they said were consistent with efforts to sanitise the concern over the last year so that they're they're trying to clean up a lot of the places but we know that the IAEA members on Friday had detailed suspected activities and talked about natural uranium in the form of the metal disk at a site that underwent extensive sanitation and leveling if you years ago so we we see that the there is a pattern to the violations and that the United States Congress the Republican cope study groups actually preparing and is going to announce very soon the largest Iran sanctions plant plan in history and I won't go through it all but it it it it it it dresses all of the concerns that we have been focusing on this is the largest caucus of the Republican lawmakers in Congress and we will see that in twenty four hours or so but it includes other regimes like Russia China India and as well as the round and it's more than a hundred and forty new initiatives to assert leadership on these issues to to put the maximum pressure and the also calls for a cut in aid to Lebanon it calls for other things that have been debated over the years but will and and and and repeat provoke the authorization for use of military force in Iraq but talking about updating some of the war powers that were given to the president some of these the administration is not gonna be happy with as some they will be very happy with but there will be new sanctions on the arm industries like China and Russia who returned to selling weapons given that the sanctions is supposed to be lifted in in October the restrictions on Iran and also the banks facilitating any of these weapons sales will be hit as well Iraq's electricity deal with Iran so many detailed issues that we have touched one by one on but you see it now in this comprehensive approach at the this group has put together and they'll be many Democrats I think will pick up on some of these things because they you know are as concerned as Republicans about Iran's March toward the nuclear weapons capacity that is yes Malcolm is a new contest in Iran regarding Mr sola Miami the late great departed one yes your number one of John's great friends silly money who was the terrorist par excellence who met his set untimely or timely fate and they've all called on the world's artists who to prepare a sculptor sculpture in honor of silly money this is one of two by the way events that are going on there's also a contest cartoon contest interactive that's being done by the art bureau of the Islamic ideology dissemination organization official government body and they are at the theme of it is I can't breathe it's meant to be an attack on the United States and to exploit the tragic event in in Minneapolis has so they are moving ahead they did admit by the way today that they're there GDP fell seventeen percent because of Kobe we know it's actually more but the the eight days to get knowledge today that drop and how may need praise the cruise that took the oil to Venezuela he made a public statement which is again meant to be slapped the United States so the Iranians despite all the difficulties that they face are still engaged in exporting their terrorist carrying on these these vicious campaigns in line to the IAEA Iran is re deploying in Syria Malcolm despite the virus but you tell me the demonstrations are most severe in Lebanon to what end so we have talked in the past so who would bet the Lebanese eruptions and then during cold it'd seem to get quite a bit this weekend the Beirut exploded and mostly because of the collapse of the economy and it but it it it focuses on the supporters and opponents of Hizbollah and many many people went to the to the streets are covered the various numbers from people who were there that I know that some fifty were wounded and eleven were put in the hospital the the that tells you the intensity of the demonstrations that took place they said they were calling for medical care education jobs it's better but also tell calling for disarming it has a lot I know that the protesters came from not but P. and and other places that are workers below strongholds saying that it's time to take out this take away the weapons and then you had this caused a lot of supporters and join we saw the use of tear gas and setting garbage bins alight and the the displacement of courses you know very stabilized political situation but now thirty five percent of Lebanese are unemployed and with the national debt is about a hundred and seventy percent of GDP welcome I'm going to press you on the Beirut start we've talked to Beirut over the about Beirut for several months and each time it sounds worse and worse but they they survive Malcolm the is that the nature of living in Beirut it doesn't matter what what kind of comedy hits you you're going to have another day as long as his ally is a dominant force and a you know that they broke without wound the head of the Christian forces they said their other splits we know that they're under tremendous financial strength as well but the economic conditions are deteriorating in Lebanon for older people and this is giving it our all the right questions for what we saw before to re ignite and I think that's what we saw this weekend and I'm not sure that this is going to be able to be contained unless they're going to they're prepared to use extreme violence which will only escalate the opposition settings American their developments regarding the P. A. in Turkey can you elaborate on those yeah did you know Mr Tawanda prime minister of Turkey president Turkey makes a point of his investments in Jerusalem and on the N. B. and advocacy on behalf of the Palestinian authority and the Palestinians yet the most recent reports from coming from Turkey that weighed more than ten thousand Palestinians who left here as refugees are suffering they say from discrimination they are in the most dire conditions and that the that Thomas is being honored by to one at the same time that the Palestinian refugees are being denied their status he does not recognize them as Palestinians he said they came from Syria therefore they are Syrian and they they said that the human rights conditions in the fiscal conditions that people are really terrible and the I think that we could see another front being opened up there in the internal dissensions that we see in Turkey now can we go to the story of a positive story about the Israelis with a new missile what kind of missile this is called a Laura missile system it was successfully tested I think it's to be sure with United States it has a pointer calamity twin forty nine mile range to be launched by C. can be launched by a err and these will be outfitted on some of the quick boats that that Europe is that Israel has and both of the test hit the targets with the exact precision and this of course is very Israel it's very important for Israel's security situation and shows the advanced capabilities enable capabilities and of their strategic missile system that come when you run at the dancing there's so this the fact that they're able to develop this unique and missile which is particularly necessary because Israel fights in close quarters and with the two hundred fifty mile range that will be very important now we go to a story that's bizarre this is just bizarre I see if I get it correct they're neo **** from Germany our training in a camp run by the Russian imperial movement did I have that do have that right and where is this unfortunately where is the camp so this is a place the Russian imperial movement was designated by the United States as a terrorist the organization so with three of their leaders and it's the first time that was applied to a white supremacists type group and they are training in using arms explosives and hand to hand combat in the camp named part is done which is right near Saint Petersburg so it's not in hiding and several a German graduates as well as sweets and things later joined the Russian backed separatist militias in eastern Ukraine and they said that the German officials said they were aware of the training but for legal reasons they can't prevent right wing extremists from traveling to to Russia and they say that the government of Russia is aware of that as well so these young people are going and being taken from Germany as an alternate streams nationalist group and to this camp in Saint Petersburg and the German magazine focus is putting out a story this week which will expose the details about the the nature of the involvement there the goal of this Russian imperial movement is to put back in order credit monarchy and it's a Russian orthodox nationalist monarchist organization that unfortunate is become more and more troublesome that Malcolm that was the **** who ransacked and massacred Russia yes yes yes and there's something every young Russian is taught about the great war and the trip twenty million people have been killed there and the but but they they say that they want a state based on Russian she cranes and balers so they see these guys not because the German should play a role in Russia but because they want to help train extremists of similar nature and to recruit them then for their battles as they did in the Ukraine status Carmel committee says the same type of thing we see when we look here in the United States to see divisions too we've heard about Israel helping to train American police forces what have you heard about that so some of the extremists in the demonstrations have tried to use it for different purposes and one of them of course was the.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on KTRH
"Phase of re opening the Texas economy includes allowing retailers to open for to go orders similar to the way restaurants have been working because we've seen that this model works while also containing over nineteen we believe that all stores in Texas to be able to operate retail to go beginning next Friday governors also re opening state parks on Monday but visitors must have a face covering and it here to social distancing he'll lift restrictions on some media procedures on some medical procedures excuse me next week and he says all Texas schools will remain closed for the remainder of the school year with distance learning to continue president trump says New York has more than enough resources to treat its covert nineteen patients trump says that the army corps of engineers built almost twenty nine hundred beds at the Javits center in Manhattan and sent the U. S. N. S. comfort but luckily it turned out to be an abundance of caution trump added that the resources will remain there it just in case of another surge of coronavirus cases he's also encouraging New York and all other states to ramp up their testing mattress Mack is among the Texas business leaders tapped by governor Greg Abbott to form a task force that will advise on re opening the state's economy Jim Malcolm bales joined by Drayton McLane and Kirk Watson for a total of thirty nine advisors Dr David purse with Houston health department says with another one hundred and fourteen cases reported Houston may be flattening the curve using the analogy of a speeding truck and applying the brakes what might be happening once we get to a point where the numbers are relatively consistent that would be when we have got this truck going at the same speed it's no longer accelerating but it's still going at the speed I let's imagine that's probably eighty five miles an hour because with a hundred and something people being reported to be an effective clearly not slow down and in addition we had more deaths to report two more deaths in fact bringing the city's total to thirty one but got KTRE to news time three oh three Montgomery County reporting at seven covert nineteen death the woman in her eighties who lived at the conservatory at Alden bridge senior complex in the woodlands five of the seven Montgomery County debts were elderly people from that complex overall Montgomery County reports twenty cases for a total of three seventy with ninety nine recoveries the code pandemic already doing a number on the Houston economy Corey Olsen has the story Houston area companies lost eighty two hundred jobs in March due to a combination of the corona virus shut downs and the crashing oil prices according to workforce solutions most of the job losses were in construction and manufacturing with many projects slowing down or being put on hold not surprisingly the Houston region's unemployment rate jumped more than a full point to five point one percent in March analysts believe it's likely to go higher in April with many businesses still closed and oil still sliding Corey Olsen newsradio seven forty KTRE and yet Walmart is hiring fifty thousand more workers during the pandemic that's on top of the one hundred and fifty thousand Walmart's already hired spokesperson says the retail giant is adding an average of five thousand employees per day with eighty five percent being temporary or part.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on How To Create VR
"Create. i wanted creators to discover all these great tools learn how to use them and then go create. vr experiences finally at the end of two thousand eighteen. I decided to move the meet up from a physical place to virtual reality in our space. Vr so that's where we are today selling. My baby was not an easy decision to make. I care a lot about it. The vr creators visited daily in its growth. However back in november two thousand eighteen. My wife became sick and was in and out of hospitals in april of this year. We were told she had cancer. Luckily the cough accounts are on. Time and with the chemo treatment. She's going through. We are hoping that everything will turn out fine however because of this my focus and energies are completely taking care of her. My kids and working fulltime job. Also because of this situation. And the fact that i didn't want how to create the are dot com to suffer from my lack of focus on it. I started looking for a great partner. That could take care of my baby. This is where jim malcolm. The chief marketing officer at humanized technologies came in jim. Ni- have known each other for a while. now he's a genuinely nice guy that really cares. Vr the industry mvp creators. As much as i do we started talking about the synergies between humanize technologies in how to create are dot com earlier this year. And well as they say. The rest is history. I know that jim along with his team. At humanize technologies will not only take care of how to create the are dot com as much as i did but their vast resources will be able to take it to the next level. I'm currently involved in helping them through this transition but as of october fourteen two thousand nineteen. I will no longer be involved in the site. However i'm happy to announce that i will be their first guest on the next episode of the mccreavy are dot com podcast with their new host. Jim malcolm also. I am not giving up on. Vr is i own an oculus quest played almost daily. I'm also big pusher vr. in the enterprise. And i'm still involved in the creation of vr experiences in my current job from the bottom of my heart. I wanna thank each and every one of you for sticking with me all this time throughout the past two years sending up to my sight watching all the content and for believing vr. And its power as much as i do. It's been a truly awesome. Right i still remember. The first day. I put on the oculus rift back in two thousand seventeen and now my heart was filled with joy. And how my mind started thinking of how great the future of competing was going to be. I still feel like that today. And can't wait to see how. Vr and ar evolves. If you want to stay in touch with me please feel free to email me.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on How To Create VR
"Click on the register for free button all right. So what's the big news. It is with great pleasure that announced that how to create the R.. Dot Com has been acquired by humanized technologies Yup those guys behind the views views plus interviews views Xsara VR cameras. But before I tell you all the details let me share with you. Why created this website as you know a huge believer of VR and AR? We are in its future in both our personal and professional lives I started how to create the R. Dot Com about two years ago after I put on the OCULUS rift. It blew my mind. I and my brain started going into overdrive thinking about how creators keys. VR In a are to create awesome user experiences. That moment was when I decided to create. They meet up in a podcast around. VR focusing on creators. And I wanted to call it. Hard to create VR. I launched the side how to create dot Com to promote that podcast end. Meet up after that. I decided that I wanNA creators to find out more about the various technologies and tools available to them to create VR ar beyond unity and unreal unreal. That's when I started creating tutorials on these various tools in came up with the tagline discover learn create. I wanted creators to discover all these great tools also learn how to use them and then go create the our experiences finally at the end of two thousand eighteen. I decided to move the meet up from a physical place to virtual so reality in our space. VR So that's where we are today selling. My baby was not an easy decision to make. Is I care a lot about it. The VR creators are visited daily in its growth growth however back in November two thousand eighteen. My wife became sick and was Internet apostles in April of this year. We were told she had cancer. Luckily the cough accounts runtime. Sometime in with the chemo treatment. She's going through. We are hoping that everything will turn out fine however because of this my focus and energies are completely and taking care of her. My kids in working fulltime job. Also because of this situation and the fact that I didn't one how to create dot com to suffer from my lack of focus on it. I started looking for a great partner. That could take care of my baby. This is where Jim Malcolm. The chief marketing officer at humanized technologies came in. Jim and I have known each other for a while. Now he's genuinely nice guy that really cares. VR The industry MVP creators. As much as I do we started talking about the synergies between humanize technologies and how to a creative dot com earlier this year and well as they say the rest is history. I know that Jim along with his team. Humanize technologies will not only take care of how to create the R.. Dot Com as much as I did but their vast resources will be able to take it to the next level. I'm currently involved in helping them through the transition but as of October fourteen two thousand nineteen. I will no longer be involved in the site. However I'm happy to announce that I will be their first guest on the next episode of the mccreavy are Dot Com podcast with their new host? I Jim Malcolm also I am not giving up on Vr. Is I own an OCULUS. Quest employed almost daily I'm also a big pusher VR. In the enterprise and I'm still involved in the creation you know. VR experiences in my current job from the bottom of my heart. I WANNA thank each and every one of you for sticking with me all this time throughout the past two years sending up to my sight watching all the content and for believing in Vr. And Its power as much as I do. It's been a truly awesome right. I still remember the first day I put on the OCULUS rift back in two thousand seventeen and my heart was filled with joy and how my mind started thinking of how great the future of competing was going to be. I still feel like that today. And and can't wait to see how VR AR evolves. If you want to stay in touch with me please feel free to email.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on Digital Production Buzz
"jim malcolm" Discussed on Travel with Rick Steves
"Hey. Hey, ben. Lod come about her high k van. The bay. Ben. Scene. Scene on. Far. Behind for did see a hand hand. I my on. But I met the day homeland the. Young. K. He had been. Then, you know. Say van. Let's see. Oh, okay. Jim, Malcolm, thank you for taking us to Scotland. I wanna get another plane goes for leave the big city. Find myself in a little town. Get an is local beer and enjoy some traditional Scottish folk music. Thanks again. You're very welcome. We look at what it means to be from Northern Ireland. That's next on travel with Ricky. Nearly a hundred years ago in nineteen twenty one Ireland was partitioned mostly independent Republic with the northern part remaining a part of the United Kingdom. The Republic was mostly Catholic in the north was mostly Protestant. But it's more complicated than that the violence that Northern Ireland experienced during the days of the troubles. Are thankfully, a thing of the past. A lot has changed since then, but Northern Ireland remains a place where I can still be at the heart of so much of daily life and the Brexit negotiations to remove the United Kingdom from the European Union are adding another layer of complexity there to help better understand Northern Ireland. We're joined by Suzy Miller who identifies with the British and Protestant identity. Northern Ireland Suzy lives in Belfast, and we're also joined by Stephen mcph, Ella me who raised in a Catholic family in Derry in Northern Ireland. Stephen currently makes his home in the Republic in Dingle. But his heritage is in the north. From dairy, Stephen enthusi-. Thanks for joining us. Suzy? There's so much more to Ireland than shamrocks priests, and Guinness, and of course, your family's from the north. And it's a different heritage describe the heritage of Protestant family from alster Protestant families from Elster would tanned to have come from Scottish or north of England stock they might have come pretty recently or they might date right back to the Ulster plantation from the sixteen hundreds. This was a concentrated movement of people into what was seen as a rebellious part of the British empire to try and come things done. And so a lot of their descendants are still a rind of characteristics. Well, I don't know. I think we got a bit of a bad route. We tend to be saying as rather serious not like to spend too much money keeping things to ourselves a little bit uptight. And sure, yeah. Maybe a few those traits could be seen within our psyche. But at the same time. Time where a very self effacing humor driven people. I think we'd like to do ourselves dine we don't like to see anybody get above themselves. We'll as we say the feet from under them, if they get ideas of their station. It's a very very complex identity on of course, it's different for everybody. You know, you count apply. One set of stereotypes across the board. I can only really speak for myself, I suppose, but that is interesting five centuries ago. Basically London was having trouble with Ireland and sent over good loyalist folk who wanted some cheap land and opportunity, and they probably subsidized and give them an incentive to go over there and become settlers in what was Catholic in trouble causing island and now five centuries later. Good people with both heritage are living together. Well, yes, the plantation. It's interesting because it happened at the time that Virginia was being settled. So you have the same solution apply. Two two different problems across the Atlantic and King James at the time. He thought this would be a great way of getting his loyal supporters in an area that was causing him trouble. If you signed up, you got so much acreage of land you had to build so many Heise's on it brings so many other families with you on promised to maintain and make this land are -able, which is what happens on lead to a lot of wealth in that area. Made a very attractive place to go as we go down through the centuries than you see this little corner of our Lund's becoming industrial before the rest of the island of Ireland on that was due to the wars more wealth Arinze, the discovery of turning flax into linen on the money that that broaden, and then all these industry started burgeoning Ryan that so by the middle of the eighteenth century, you've got a very very different landscape in the northeast corner of the island in the middle of the seventeen hundreds then well, really industrialize ation only came in about the eighteen twenty s. Basically in that period one hundred and fifty years ago two hundred years ago, we've got industrialization hitting like mad and Belfast becomes quite a powerful city linen and shipbuilding linen. And shipbuilding side by side on a lot of trades feeding into those finders and factories. So a huge population explosion in Belfast time. Stephen mcphillips know, your family is Catholic family in the north. What are the different Northern Irish identities today is that big of a deal people got and beyond that or is it woven into the DNA of everybody. You're always going to be from a Catholic plan and Suzy's always going to be from a Protestant clan. Even if you don't even go to church. Yeah. My people were the troublemakers. You see? So we were the the problem that got dealt with. And it's just such a sensitive issue. Even like Susan myself. Our good friends, we'll always have to just be careful around each other. What we say, and we probably would say different things than privately to our own tribes. But as I travel the world more just fascinates me that back in this little corner of. Airland? There's two tribes that most people in the rest of the world would think are practically the same. But we think were comprehensively different. You know, so Mike clan. We're open the north when when maybe Suzanne sisters came over. So it's very similar to what happened in Jamestown Virginia. But also similar in the way that reservations were set up. So all the good land was taken off the Catholic chieftains and given to the Protestant settlers when they came over vegetation. She mean American Indian reservation yet so map was drawn of Ulster. You can see this map. And it says good land here Goodland here. Scott settlers hearing the settlers here. And then the big bog land. That says a reserved for the natives, you know. Whoa. Sooner. This is so interesting everywhere in your travels, you realize oh, why is the ghetto in Rome right in this little bend in the river. 'cause that's where it used to flood. It was the worst land. It was lend nobody wanted. You've got situations in any city down wind from the tannery would be the poor people and they'd have to deal with the smell. Yeah. And that's not to say that every Protestants northern animals rich because of course, they warned. But just traditionally the land of the Catholics were generally Perot, a not not very productive. It wasn't very good land. So today, my family, we would all dentis Irish are our loyalty would be to Dublin if someone said if you come into my neighborhood and say to a kid, what's the capital of your country. They would automate say Dublin, but you go across the river to a Protestant neighborhood. And you say what's the capital of your country? They would most likely say London, you know. Okay. But flying from the city hall would be the Union Jack and a flag of Israel. And then you go into the union house or something like that. And there'd be an Irish flag and flag of the Palestinians, Susie. Have you noticed that in Northern Ireland? Oh flags northern island such flex a confederate flag inefficient chip shop an American confederate flag. Like, you know. Yes. Yes. Nine efficient ship shop in Northern Ireland with the flags. Okay. So the first. Is that we're trying to get away from a lot in the new shared future that Northern Ireland has embraced over the past twenty years flags have become a contentious issue. So a lot of public buildings for example. Belfast city hall does not fly a flag, unless it's a particular occasion. Like the queen's birthday or something like that gone. Yes. Well, yes. Although it wasn't Greece's with the best of what's the word. I'm looking for wasn't embraced by the rank and file it. Well from a particular section of hardline Protestant unionists when those flags were taken on. Yes. It was it was not a good move. However as time has gone on people have got used to that. But yes, there is this affiliation. Amongst the two tribes. One will fly the flag of Israel and the other will fly the flag of be. I'll be what I mean is it because of settlers it's. It's it's exactly what it is on. I guess the same with the confederate flag among some. It's not really good or bad people you've inherited a complicated situation. And right now, you've got what we're the angry indigenous people that you put on reservations for one hundred years ago today, you're trying to live together. Yes. You know, you can understand high. Some of those garages are maintained from four hundred years back. You know, it wasn't the best idea to have this imperial country marching in and taking over, but you know, Britain, did it everywhere. It's not just an Ireland our guest right now on travel with Rick steves or Stephen mcfeely and Suzy Miller Suzy provides themed tours of her home city of Belfast around the shipbuilding of the Titanic, even ones guesthouse and Dingle in the southwest of the Republic of they're sharing their views on what it means to be from Northern Ireland from both Catholic and Protestant background, you'll find links to our guests with
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"Different. Yeah. Nice. All right fair here on weei. Oh. Skull fame. Faye? Sharon glow. We even. To Schnee say. Sharon stone. Gonna stay. So. Signs. Twee? Star hands too. Forgotten awards. Oh, I think that takes me. Right. All right. When you're in Scotland, you've got to get into a pub just gotta ask at your bed and breakfast or your little hotel. Where can I hear some folk music and it can pop up anywhere. I was just an Inverness and we happen to have one of the greatest evenings. I've ever had in the next hotel. It wasn't even famous and Inverness for trad traditional folk music trad in Scotland said Irish thing, no, no, it's the traditional seat in the Scottish traditional seen are very closely released as an inch early to we are bands. Which have you know, Irish Scottish players. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's kilted culture island. Scotland are like brother and sister, you know. Our guest on travel with Rick steves singer. Jim, Malcolm, Jim is celebrating. This year is burns night with a house concert in San Diego. He has more concert dates coming up in California, Oregon and Washington ending up in Olympia Seattle and Bellingham in the spring, gyms planning concerts in the mid Atlantic. Upstate New York and New England tour details and his latest recordings are on his Jim, Malcolm dot com website. Now one thing I've noticed in Scotland if you wanna go to a traditional folk evening in some hotel, it's pretty cheesy. These days it's hard to find a good Scottish focusing. Maybe they've always been touristy. But if you just go to pub- that's fair for the music. That's where you get all of this classic Scottish Yash northern on the stage of fancy hotel where you gotta have the ceremony of the haggis. Oh, yeah. These kind of kind of acts the hackneyed ones. I mean, you you must know this about the whole the whole business of the guys have been doing are just doing the same thing every night for years, and it just becomes knit probably have the wrong instrumentation. I get a sense that it's sort of Laurence Welk in Scottish, you know, the sessions the sessions are definitely give you more of a of a midget feel and also if you are landlords anew prepared to, you know, entertain musicians with a few beers. And you'll find the session will develop you need to be nimble when you're out on the streets after dinner you need. To be nimble talked to the locals were joined by Jim, Malcolm. And he's troubadours Scotland tours the United States, his website is Jim Malcolm dot com. G M L C O L dot com and Jim's talking to us now about traditional Scottish folk music, Jim when you go to Scotland, you get tuned into the dogs, and of course, the Scottish standing up for their own independence. And so they're played music and speak their language, and where they're killed against powerful English. There's so many battles that were fought two or three hundred four hundred years ago that are still alive today when you get into the pumps. What's the song that like to close with just pass back to that exciting stresses a really spectacular bottle code the battle of Killiecrankie, which was for the Highland charge. Was I really used and those would basically like just basically run down from the high grind with Claymores. You know, these takeoff there are there you their clothes actually attack and their shirt. Charts in against the red coat naked and the shorts big Claymores on just playing claim two hundred sword. Oh my goodness. Do I have this image of well armed uniform Redcoats standing in science, and you got all these crazy Burien Scottish people running down huge to add Ford's. Yes. Yes. And this is this is where the ridge into the Highland Highland charge. Well, became a tactic used very successfully by the the jacket by armies until about love Colloton failed miserably, and by the way, when you're going to Scotland the gotta go to the battlefield of loden and the tour there because it gives you a sense yet that was the last battle fought on British soil. I think yes. Yeah. We bottles and other other soil another interview, let's go to this battle of what Killiecrankie Ellie cranky hilly. Could I get wa, hey. Suheil on. Hey.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on Travel with Rick Steves
"Come when cone and the. The high school. Whereas now has. Side come spilling their land lies we day jail sun shines jeez. Stride. And side bend. Scott. Taen? And. Head down and share seeing Andy. And. Hey. Debate and non. Commend. Bye. Bye. Hey. Away shen. On a hill. Oh, nice UNIFIL. Jim, malcolm. Thank you so much beautiful. Jim Malcolm joins us one of today's top troubadours Scottish traditional music, and Jim you took a folk tune their actually and wrote your own lyrics to. It's that. Right. Yes. Yeah. But once I had done I discovered the two two other people had done the same an actually this evening Nitish version of as well, so good June's attract words, and an fact our great hero burns our great, poet and songwriter. That's what basically he did. He would take chins. He liked onto Penn. Beautiful words to Bela Bartok did that in Hungary letter Norwegians that Greg did that it's great to be able to draw from your full culture and full carriage. Where do you go to be inspired? When you write a poem, d do you actually where do you get in touch with is? I have absolutely no trouble. Getting in touch. I'm a very king. Fly fisherman. And that's that's what I do when you know when I'm allowed to. Again, it's I not, you know, I I live very close to a really wonderful river the river, t I am spend most pertain fishing in diversity. I'm not, you know, I'm just surrounded by you know, ospreys and authors and Kingfisher's, and, you know, dear when you when you're fishing, you know, because you're being still in quiet. The wildlife actually comes to you it so of creeps the bushes. And this is something that the challenge for travelers to find themselves in that kind of position where they're really can feel the quiet under fishing, take fishing. I was just driving across going up from Rennick more glencoe. And I just said let's stop the bus and get out to get off the road and hike a few hundred yards into the into the in the heath, or whatever you call it this. Yeah, it's powerful you feel the wind. You feel the heritage. He feel the the struggle of Scottish culture and Scottish to stay alive. Yeah. Tell us about how that the pride of Scotland works into the traditional folk music thing what roller place because there is a big question of. How independent Scotland wants to be from London. It's a big part of it really does songs. Probably the most famous song about about the union as Robert burns when called parcel of rogues, and which the parcel of rogues where these aristocrats is sold out Scotland they're called. And Robert burns, the great Scottish poet sort of kindled Scott spirit in when. Well, he was born in fifty nine and would have known people who can afford in the Jacobite campaigns, and who who even possibly even been in Scotland when it was still independent, you know. So he was when he was born in seventeen fifty nine. Okay. So he was performing the same time that the Americans were breaking away from all over the place. People were feeling their national oats. Yes. He he wrote a song very famous song. Amanda man throw that which was directly inspired by the revolutionary war. Can we hear just a little bit of this patriotic Robbie burns traditional Scott because that? Partial looks. It's quite a melancholy song. Minor key. It's it's more of a lament. Really? You just picked out one of your harmonicas. I see this like EDEM there. One for each different.
"jim malcolm" Discussed on Travel with Rick Steves
"Especially playing Beckham and sipping their tease. Some of them are retired man older manuals see younger unemployed once actually for the tire at once probably their wives. Don't want them in the house all day. So it's kind of a club for them. And it's a man's scallop. It's an inexpensive club. You can go. Maybe just drink two cups of tea, but you can spend your whole day you can catch up with the latest news. You are a young Turkish woman, or would you be comfortable going into one of these tea houses that are mostly filled with men, actually, Dave outcomes woman. They don't welcome to local woman, but they do welcome. Woman or women from other cities, and you can easily start a conversation with them. And learn the play backgammon before you go and drink some tea and definitely sugar in it Lally. How would you as a tour guide introduce some of the more intimate dimensions of the culture in capital Kia as the cliche? I must say that I people need to get out of the tourist zone. That's the first thing in Paducah. There are some areas which are very well known. But they are so touristy and in some of them. There are no local life remaining anymore. Every single corner is I at Penn Seon BNB a restaurant this and that you have to get out of that area. And getting out of that area is not a very big deal. You just drive five minutes more. That's that's what I recommend people to do in many people look for evening, entertainment, the enjoy sightseeing the whole day, they enjoy a good dinner. And then they say what's next, of course, in such a touristy area in capital. Gather are. Folk shows that are geared for travelers tourists. They're fun. But like Americans don't go square dancing every night after dinner. We don't go folk dancing in Turkey as well. So you shouldn't expect these to provide you a local entertainment, they give you a glimpse of the culture. But that's not what we do. What we do we go to to q bar to decay is Turkish folk songs to T U R K such as you have live music clubs in America. We have Turkey bars, and they would be playing traditional local folk music using the traditional instruments, and you can get to witness everybody sing along size would be the main instrument. It's a string instrument with a long neck. That's one thing. You cannot miss a toll with a little bit of luck. You can find an impromptu music session in Turku bar. Yes, anywhere. If you could get away from the tourist, otherwise, you're going to see the touristic cliches onstage Bali sermon. Iran and yarn Taku. Thank you so much for giving us a better understanding of capitol. Kill one of the most fascinating corners of Turkey. Ninety shaker there will check out. There's. We have web links to our guests with each week's show at Rick steves dot com slash radio. We'll explore what it means to be from Northern Ireland in a bit. But first, let's get ready to host our own burns night. Like, they do in Scotland this time of year with a visit from singer, Jim, Malcolm, he brings us a taste of the traditions of Scotland next on travel with Rick steves. Come home with Vic, Steve my name is Ken Hungary on from Edinburgh and Scotland on that resume Scutts Kelly for I travel with Vic Steve's slums the years. I. When we heard the Scottish folksinger. Jim Malcolm was touring the Pacific northwest with a series of house concerts. We convinced him to carve out just a little time between gigs to stop by our travel with Rick steves studio near Seattle. So you could meet him to Jim receives high praise for his interpretations of the standards of Scottish music. He was voted Scotland songwriter of the year by his peers in two thousand four and he's been nominated for Scots singer of the more often than anybody else. You may have heard him as the lead singer of the group old blind dogs nowadays, Jim travels as a troubadour of Scottish music with its guitar and her Monica, and he's an authority on the works of Robert burns today. He's released more than fifty of his own songs on CD Jim Malcolm's here to demonstrate how the traditional music Scotland is a perfect way to appreciate the Scottish national heritage. Jim thanks for joining us. Well, I'm enjoying your beautiful country as well. I think Washington Scotla. On steroids is extra big mountains at the back. You know, it looks dislike Scotland, and then you have these big snowy ones that we just don't have quite as many, and there may be four times as call. Scottish friend that said we're more into quality than quantity when it comes to mountains and the Monroes are quite popular and govern. Oh god. I haven't been rose, by the way. Well, there was this guy. This guy called Hector Munro, Dr Hector Munro who was the first one to claim all the three thousand plus mountain. I think it was three hundred three thousand had three thousand feet. Yeah. What's the state of traditional music in Scotland today, flushing, lots of young people are playing, and if you know where to go, and this is part of it with findings traditional music musicians and pubs they move around. You know, they they have a place that they like. And then they followed with the landlord leno's, not giving them enough free beer. So so they move onto the next place. So you have to have a local guidance to justify the best of it. If you go to the major cities that there's something on somewhere every night. And I was just an browse. I was impressive right downtown. There's five great per in. It's generally free. Just go on and you know, some beer and. Some of the musicians I trouble. I was at college in Edinburgh on you know, stopping going to these beautiful sessions rather than work. You know, it was like it was it was like, oh, no I've got an exam tomorrow. There's a really really concession on. So and the great thing is everybody is like a culture of somebody drops in. They know each other because you're musician. Also, and you can get in and fair. Yeah. Actually, that's one of the lovely things about the travels. I have in the states as I meets out with musicians who loves Scottish music is music. Can we have sessions here? Instead, what does the session sessions just when you get your stuff? And, you know, have I go some of these please shoot somebody else, please shoot. And they say, oh, I I know a song it was written by the same guy. But be actually in a pub where you've got to settle makes. Yes, you can have sessions. They tend to be seated by three beer, right? That's. Be it doesn't it and these provide free beer and you'll find musicians are willing to assert their futures for you. This is traveled. Rick steves were joined by Jim now, come in. Jim is one of the leading Scottish folk musicians and he's traveling on the United States right now on tour. He was the lead singer band called the old blind dogs for eight years. And now he travels some performed solo all over the world when he's not on the road performing. He's at home in Perthshire gym's website is Jim Malcolm dot com, and he joins us today. Talking about Scottish folk music. You know, Jim the sparkle I see in people's eyes local people when they hear Scottish folk music. There's something really powerful about that for me as a traveler, what is it about Scottish music that can bring out the pride and the history and the heritage of Scotland for people who live there, it's very dramatic music. Actually, I think that because a lot of the music originates really from the pipes from the bagpipes. I would say that it's been the single most biggest influence. And Scottish music. It is the national instrument on the because the bagpipes only has eight notes seven or eight north surveillance. Just one octave. Really? That's very similar to the human voice. So lots of bagpipe shouldn't have then become songs. You know? People have written words to the bagpipe. I didn't realize that what what's an example. You're one man bands. You got your guitar, and you're Monica. What's the piece that you would enjoy that really feels like it originated as a bag? Well, I wrote some words to the very famous chin called law. Incite an Alon as a small lock. Okay. You need quite lot flame to say it properly as a small leak, you know, on just all about the the wildlife frightened at the lake. It's also such a famous chicken that played always played before inter national soccer matches and rugby matches. It's just one of these cannot icon Stokes store hall spear for the. Come
"jim malcolm" Discussed on Travel with Rick Steves
"There's a part of central Turkey or ancient cave, churches and a landscape of very chimneys. Make for a setting like nowhere else on earth value go Dr you feel that you are no longer on this planet, but you are somewhere else in the universe. Coming up. We explore capita Kia Scottish singer. Jim Malcolm, reveals the origins of his country's hauntingly beautiful balance. Good tunes attract words than the fact. Our great hero Robert burns. That's what basically he did. He would take chins. He late on pan. Beautiful words to plus guides from earth in Ireland. Explain what it's like to be from their corner of the island. I don't know. I think we got a bit of a bad route. We tend to be seen as as rather serious. Not like to spend too much money keeping things to ourselves a little bit uptight. Come along for a close up look at Northern Ireland. The folk music of Scotland and Turkey's capital Kia in the hour ahead. It's travel. Rick steves. It can warm your spirit to explore the traditions of another culture coming up on today's travel with Rick steves Scottish folksinger. Jim Malcolm, shares the music of legendary poet Robert burns and friends from Northern Ireland one Catholic the other Protestant. Explain what it means to them to be from their corner of the Emeli now that peace has replaced all that sick -tarian fighting. Let's start the hour with a look at one of the most unusual places you'll ever see traditional Turkish village life is alive and well in the capital region at the center of the Anatolian peninsula. It includes amazing old world history that you can see up close and some of the most other worldly terrain on earth Lally sermon, Iran and yarn Perko from SRM travel in Istanbul. Join us now to explore capital Kia Lally in yards. It's good to have you here. You're welcome. Rick Maricopa I have yarn when you think about Coppa Doku. We've got this. Exotic landscape what is special about Capito compared to other places the landscape of couple coupled case like all of this planet van you go. Are you feel that you are no longer on this planet, but you are somewhere else in the universe? That's really amazing the landscape is beautiful and it's unique. And it's the result of a very intense volcanic activity, so what is that origin? Because when you are in says, it's like out of this world, a lot of times people say that in this high Rivoli, but Coppa Dokie of any place really is an out of this world landscape. What's the geological reason for that approximately sixty million years ago, the volcanoes of the area were formed and they erupted continuously and through these eruptions volcanic ash covered the soil in capita Kya, which was then absorbed by the local soil that had been on the ground in a new composition form that we'd call to fought tough that you are familiar with it in America. And this is a substance. Ah soil that can be eroded very easily the elements, the wind water eroded it and carry the way to a greater geography and an undescribable land formed as a result pinnacles fairy chimneys is the nickname and on top of many of the ferry chimneys. We have a big stone giant boulder like a mushroom, and what compliments this dramatic landscape is the fact that people have lived there for centuries and centuries, and we have truckload I'd communities Lawley explain that how the history weaves itself in with these subterranean communities dug deep into the walls, the volcanic soil has an interesting feature it preserves the heat. So settlers of capita did not need themselves to build things out of stone. Or out of other materials, they could just carve a cave into the soft substance and live in it and day could expect the temperature to be constant through the year which made life a little easier in a geography wear life. Was already very difficult. It looks fantastic to us today. It's an interesting area and history's very appealing. But imagine yourself living in these caves in this rocky soil hundreds of years ago. It's not easy to, cultivate, on it at least living in a place where you would expect temperature would be constantly sort of making life easier than it is. So this is very practical. Actually, you can you dig through the soft soil, and then when it hits the air, it becomes more hardened. Yes. And then if you want to pretend it's a church, you can just paint the lines between the bricks on the wall. And it almost looks like you've built a church out of bricks. Really? Alums and domes and arches in the caves as if they were built, but they were just little cheap trick yarn. You've been taking groups there for years. What is the most important of the communities that are built into the wall? There's a a national site opening Gruden made. Can you remind us the feeling you had when you first came to gurney amazed? When I first went, especially to see all those cave dwellings, and the forming of the churches, the local sanctified the case as Lila mentioned by painting crosses and P. Think renovated rural depictions of Jesus Christ. And all those holy figures. Who resemble the locals die even today and interesting and these churches survived to this day for us to see different the menu Tamar still open to visitors van you enter you can't see the beautiful frescoes. Sadly, a lot of these beautiful frescoes have the faces disfigured who came through and crossed out the noses and X doubt. The is it's the Muslims because in generally in Islam. It's not appropriate to. Have human deputy show when the Ottomans came and took when the Turks came before the ultimate span the Turks took over the region, you know, who's there before the Turks. It was the Roman empire is not an empire. So it's confusing to me. But after the when the Roman empire sort of morphed into the Byzantine empire, it was still more western Christian and Greek and then the Turks came in and they brought with them their religion. And of course in a Christian church. You can have a statue for our painting of a of a Saint or prophet, but in Islam, according to their religion, you don't wanna have images. So when the when the Muslim Turks came, they would find these precious ancient churches, and they would see these images, and it wasn't proper in their culture rather than destroying all the images. They would just cross out the eyes and break off the noses. This is travel with Rick steves. We're talking about capital the most exotic part, I think for most people's visit to Turkey Lawley. Can you talk a little bit more about the arc? You would find in a place like gourmet, and you look at these rock churches and also the the layers of civilization that that terrain has experienced an open air museums and national park, which is the home to most of the bitter preserved churches of the area capital is. Historic live is very important in means of early Christianity. I want to refer to the early church fathers that lived in capital areas, Saint basil of Caesaria and Saint Gregory of nausea, GMs in Saint Gregory of nausea NHS is known as Saint Gregory, the trinitaria in the doctrines that these two men started shape. The Christianity today for this reason, the heritage there is amazingly important and interesting to know about the arts came to capitol came from Constantinople, it was the capital city. But when it came from Constantinople to capitol, get material is not the same thing. They wanted the idea, but they didn't have the same material. So they painted structures in the church is in means a wall paintings and frescoes petless so interesting because when I'm in Constantinople, I see these incredible fifteen hundred year old churches with beautiful art, very wealthy, very rich. And then you go to Cup of. Doc, you and you find this trunk tonight village, carved into the side of a hill, you have the same culture but much more humble, yes. Because they didn't have the material and they didn't have the money and they didn't have the artist. So they painted the interior of the case as if it was built by arches and columns and domes so you can see the bricks painted on the wall, but they're just paintings. But the idea was the same. They want to bring in the culture of the metropolitan city to their humble countryside living, and that was the idea in some of these churches are intact, and we go and visit them now one of the most remarkable and memorable sites and cuppa Dokie for me is going to the underground city of chemically. This is actually where Christians were able to flee and go underground like five or six stories deep in that was people would hide out and literally underground talk a little bit about chemically in these city that central Asia. Minor has always been across wrote for civilization. Previous to the Christian living in capital get there had been figians. There had been Hittites. And there were wars the whole time the early settlers of capita Kia, of course. No. And enjoy the features of the land. And the carved underground cities for protection purposes, they didn't carve them to live in them. They were carved out as shelters to hit in in case of a war. The new coming settlers of capita instead of building new ones. Just kept enlarging the old once which Hittites got started. This could go back to hit eight times two thousand years before Christ. And then two thousand two thousand there gets most of them were started approximately four thousand years ago, and they were ever enlarged as necessity for a greater space travel with Rick steves, and we've been joined by yarn Turku and mommy Sherman Iran to tour guides from Turkey who joins us in our studios here. You know, it's so fun to talk about how they history remarkable past of these. Places, but when you travel there, you can also connect with today's culture, let's finish our discussion by just talking about. How a traveler might connect with the culture and the people while they visit cuppa doco yarn. What would you recommend you? Take your visitors for a travel there to connect the local culture today is to visit the village house or a town teahouse it can just enter you will be outcomes on you will see locals men, especially