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"jim fallow" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Choices after the options have been filtered down, typically three by the bureaucracy, so this is a very important point of connection. Between my 35,000 ft work books like Doom or the Square and the Tower and the biography. I mean, I needed to write a book about networks to understand Kissinger and understand his role in American and world politics. And then I think I needed to write a book about disaster because ultimately in volume to Kissinger. I have to write about Vietnam and makes sense of of one of the great military disasters and political disasters. Modern American history. Now it does sound a little bit like I'm saying, it's a bit of boats. It's a bit of great or wicked men, and it's a bit of, uh, the great forces of history. But let's face it. That's the truth about what we do, as historians would trying to tease out those things over which individual leaders don't have control, and then we're trying to identify what exactly their decision making. Role was good illustration of this from do Miss Churchill and the the Bengal Famine, which has always been the stick with which Churchill's critics of have beaten him and it's not been hard to do because Churchill said numerous callous things about about the Indians and particularly about the leaders of the nationalist movement. But if one actually looks closely at what happens, and I discussed this with the marcher who got him to read the relevant part, it's it's clear that it wasn't the British prime minister who was the key culprit for what went wrong in Bengal during the war. And ultimately, although he didn't do very gracefully, Churchill did the right thing and making sure that supplies were diverted. To the area that was affected so that that's a good illustration of how I think we should proceed as historians, Churchill mattered a huge amounts. I think she probably was as a J. P. Taylor said, the savior of his nation Without Churchill. It's hard to imagine. Actually, Britain would have come through 1940 1943 in Bengal doesn't seem to me like something that has a huge amount to do with his decision making. Had much more to do with the people closer geographically to the to the disaster. You are listening to the Commonwealth Club radio program featuring Nile Ferguson in conversation with Maya Jackson off you can learn more about the Commonwealth Club. It's many programs, it's travel program and how to become a part of it all. Commonwealth club dot org. You can find thousands of our podcast on apple podcasts, Google podcasts and Spotify now back to our program. I wanted to ask you a little bit about disasters that don't count back. That's what I mean. You know you just we're talking about Churchill Churchill is a man who spent much of a professional career. I mean, he was saying was rather old. By the time he became prime minister, you have decades of experience before them Throughout the decades of his career before becoming prime minister, he frequently mobilized exactly the same sort of rhetoric that he would later applied to Hitler. Two very, very different kinds of situations. You know, he'll talk About the suffragettes as being you know, the the evil of all time he'll talk about, you know, Irish, you know Irish rebels as being you know, the greatest people of all time. We'll talk about obviously the greatest evil of all time and not talk about Hitler is being the greatest evil of all time with Hitler. He actually got a lot of people to agree with him. But my flights of this is to say that there are obviously lots of people who Are wrong nine times out of 10. And then if they're right the 10th time. Um it's that's the time that really sticks and I'm wondering in your accounts of disaster if some of the disasters that are standing have here in a sense this goes back to my Titanic question is is that some of them are the ones that stick? I mean, that is clearly, you know. The Spanish flu killed an awful lot of people, but some of these other things such as again the Titanic or the Challenger. These are the ones that kind of rise above the transom. So what about the ones that Dutch you allude briefly? To the opioid epidemic. At the end of the book, Um one could point to the Syrian civil war on the migrant crisis that has followed do these counts as disasters. And if so, how, and if not? Why not? Well, certainly the opioid epidemic because it hasn't been global. It's been national has been a disaster and it killed over the Course of Barack Obama's presidency as many people as Covid 19 killed in the final year of Trump's presidency, and yet, I don't remember ever reading a piece By Jim Fallows blaming Obama for the opioid epidemic. It happened on his watch. Third and each year more people died. The the administration totally failed to to deal with the problem. And I do think it's it's a reflection of the way our media work that there was so little criticism of, uh of the administration that presided over that disaster disaster that was beginning to, uh urban, as of course, deteriorated again last year with big spike in overdoses. I guess The key here is how disasters get framed. And you're right. There's a phenomenon of the the lucky Cassandra..
"jim fallow" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Information flow often and generally confronted with choices after the options have been filtered down, typically three by the bureaucracy. So this is a very important point of connection between my 35,000 ft work books like Doom or the Square on the Tower and the biography. I mean, I needed to write a book about that works to understand Kissinger. And understand his role in American and world politics. And then I think I needed to write a book about disaster because, ultimately and volume to Kissinger. I have to write about Vietnam and makes sense of of one of the great military disasters and political disasters of modern American history. Now It does sound a little bit like I'm saying it's a Bisset boats. It's a bit of great or wicked man. It's a bit of, uh, the great forces of history. But let's face it. That's the truth about what we do is. Historians were trying to tease out those things over which individual leaders don't have control and and then we're trying to identify what exactly their decision making. Role was good illustration of this from Doom is Churchill and the The Bengal Famine, which has always been the stick with which Churchill's critics of beaten him and it's not been hard to do because Churchill said numerous callous things about about the Indians and particularly about the leaders of the nationalist movement. But if one actually looks closely at what happens, and I discussed this with the marcher and got him to read the relevant part, it's clear that it wasn't the British prime minister who was the key culprit for what went wrong in Bengal during the war. And ultimately, although he didn't do it very gracefully, Churchill did the right thing and making sure that supplies were diverted. To the area that was affected so that that's a good illustration of how I think we should proceed as historians Churchill matter the huge amount. I think he probably was, as a J. P. Taylor said, the savior of his nation Without Churchill. It's hard to imagine. Actually, Britain would have come through 1940 1943 in Ben Gold doesn't seem to me like something that has a huge amount to do with his decision making had much more to do with the people closer geographically to the To the disaster. You are listening to the Commonwealth Club radio program featuring Nile Ferguson in conversation with Maya Jasin off you can learn more about the Commonwealth Club. It's many programs. It's travel program and how to become a part of it all at Commonwealth club dot org. You can find thousands of our podcast on apple podcasts, Google podcasts and Spotify now back to our program. I wanted to ask you a little bit about disasters that don't counts. And but that's what I mean. You know you just we're talking about Churchill Churchill is a man who spent much of a professional career. I mean, he was he was rather old. By the time he became prime minister. You have decades of experience before that, and throughout the decades as his career before becoming prime minister, he frequently mobilized exactly the same sort of rhetoric that he would later applied to Hitler. Two very, very different kinds of Situations. You know, he'll talk about the suffragettes as being you know, the the evil of all time he'll talk about, you know, Irish scene, You know Irish rebels as being you know, the greatest stable of all time. We'll talk about guardians thing, the greatest evil of all time, and we'll talk about Himmler is being the greatest evil of all time with Hitler. He actually got a lot of people to agree with him. But my flex in this is to say that there are obviously lots of people who are wrong. Nine signs out of 10 and then if they're right the 10th time. Um it's that's the time but really sticks. And I'm wondering in your accounts of disaster If some of the disasters that are standing out here in a sense this goes back to my titanic question is is that some of them are the ones that stick? I mean, that is clearly, you know. The Spanish flu killed an awful lot of people, but some of these other things such as again the Titanic or the Challenger. These are the ones that kind of rise above the transom. So what about the ones that jumped you allude briefly. To the opioid epidemic. At the end of the book, Um one could point to the Syrian civil war on the migrant crisis that has followed do these counts as disasters. And if so, how, and if not? Why not? Well, certainly the opioid epidemic because it hasn't been global. It's been national has been a disaster, and it kills over the Course of Barack Obama's presidency as many people as Covid 19 killed in the final year of Trump's presidency, and yet, I don't remember ever reading a piece By Jim Fallows blaming Obama for the opioid epidemic. It happened on his watch phone each year, more people died. The administration totally failed to to deal with the problem. And I do think it's it's a reflection of the way our media work that there was so little criticism of, uh of the administration that presided over that disaster disaster that was beginning to urban, as of course, deteriorated again last year with big spike in overdoses. I guess The key here is is how disasters get framed, and you're right. There's a phenomenon of the the lucky Cassandra. That is.
"jim fallow" Discussed on KQED Radio
"So If the judgment had been made When Donald Robertson was around age 45 or 50, people would have thought a promising precocious, moderate career. So here's Donald Rumsfeld in 2000 and six This is three years into the Iraq war. It's a recorded message he gave to US forces after he was forced to retire. It's about the war on terror. Long struggle we are in is complex. It's unfamiliar, and it's still little understood, leading some to believe that there is no need to go on. So Jim Fallows the war in Iraq to what degree is Donald Rumsfeld responsible for the U. S decision to invade Iraq in 2003? He was relatively under involved in the decision to go to war to use the 9 11 attacks as the justification for invading Iraq itself. Dick Cheney was much more centrally involved in that Paul Wolfowitz and some others, But it was when the planning for the war began in its execution that Rumsfeld himself came much more into center stage. To your knowledge. Did he ever feel regret about what happened in Iraq or taking the responsibility? It's worth being clear about what it is that Rumsfeld should take responsibility for might feel culpable, which was essentially he refused to prepare for what it would mean to hold the territory that the U. S. Forces could take relatively quickly in the Spring of 2000 and three Russell believed in a concept of lightweight precision and military operations. He kept low balling the figures for what it would take in terms of troop presence to hold Iraq. And in his public and private life, both in the following years of Secretary of defense and then as a private citizen, he was notably unreflective, unrepentant. Quite a contrast to Robert McNamara, who spent the rest of his life after secretary of defense is during the Vietnam War essentially bearing the burden of those decisions. And run cells memoir. I mean, despite the massive casualties in Iraq, he essentially seemed to say that the war went over time and over budget. Did he ever express any regrets about the death toll? Not that I would am aware, And this seems to be in the nature of the man that that he had been so successful so early with this jaunty straight ahead approach, And it's worth mentioning that after serving as the youngest secretary of defense in U. S history under Gerald Ford, he went on to become a very successful business CEO and made a lot of money that way. And everything in his life had prepared him for the idea that quick decisions, snap judgments. Look forward rather than back. I'm not aware that he ever talked about the hundreds of thousands of lives that were lost in Iraq and around the world and the United States because of the way he had planned the war. It seems like everyone who knew Rumsfeld, friend or foe described him as driven, tireless, smart, politically cunning. As someone who interviewed him several times, Jim, how did he come across? He was somebody who prided himself on quick ray part a like responses to questions. He viewed interviews almost as debates. Themselves enjoyed this sort of fencing, parry and thrust of discussions. You don't really mean that you can't say that. Well, what do you mean? Okay, I did say that and so back and forth again. He enjoyed the quickness, I think as opposed to the depth, so he was interesting to talk with, but I think it showed again. The strengths and perhaps the limitations of his, uh Executive functions. That's fascinating, Jim, What do you think, is wrong? Cells legacy. Sadly, it has to be the management and mismanagement of the Iraq war. He was the exemplar of a mid century moderate Republicanism when he rose in politics. He ran the office of Economic Opportunity during the Nixon forward a years and was an ambassador to NATO. But sadly, he went back, perhaps when he should not have and made a very destructive decision even worse and its consequences. James Fallows is a writer, journalist and correspondent for the Atlantic who interviewed and wrote about Donald Rumsfeld throughout his long career in public service, Jim Thank you very much, Marco. My pleasure. Thank you. The impact of US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is a story that we continue following a story that.
"jim fallow" Discussed on KQED Radio
"They're They're really different issues and really different from erosions of democracy. And when we play into that, when we sort of Push the bounds just because we don't know another way to seem objective. We're doing a disservice to the honest And Jim Foulest talk for just a moment about what are the values that that come into play here when there's no more equal time provisions for television for broadcast networks, too. Tio have to abide by. So what are the standards that journalists should be thinking about? So I think back in the earlier days of journalism, when when I was getting a start, there were certain norms that we could expect politicians to operate within. There were, as you say, the legal requirements of the fairness doctrine where broadcast networks had to put on things from from opposing parties, and most journalists could assume that most politicians Would try to avoid saying things that were provably untrue as we move into different terrain where there was Norm's don't apply in the same way. I think there's a new movement that is necessarily underway in journalism to say our Our two loyalty should be to the process of democracy, democracy, small democracy and two observable truth. And sometimes this puts us in a difficult position of saying. We think this side is saying something. It's true and this fight is not But our larger, longer term loyalty is should be to democracy and to the truth as weaken death best determine it. And Susie Bana. Karen that does take Tina's Jim is suggesting that does take journalists away from what many journalists were were taught and that is you try to give as equal as fair. Treatment on time to all candidates as you can. Yeah, but I think it's just time to evolve the thinking right? There's a certain sort of pattern that we'd established that Donald Trump just doesn't appear too right. He's unwilling to here to these norms, and he uses them to manipulate the media. So when you see that you're being played or manipulated, it's time to change the playbook and adjust to what's happening. And you know, to some degree. I think what Donald Trump really took advantage of in 2016 is that political journalism had become very akin to entertainment that had become very sports like, well, just constantly talked about was up and he was down and you know if we just continue in that same harm, we're going to just continue to have elections where people aren't getting good information, right? And I think this is the moment as we go into What's going to be a very difficult election week and where a lot of information is going to be coming in, and we're gonna have to be processing it and helping people understand it to really take a step back and ask what is the role we play in making sure we'll get the best information information they need to really assess things accurately. So Jim Fallows. What is it that viewers consumers of news who care about this election and want the best possible coverage? What should they be demanding right now from the news meeting, especially from television. So I think it'll be awkward for me to say this right at this moment. But I personally appreciate the effort that your program makes to try to say no to represent different sides and arguments, but to say At this moment, we think certain side you're more grounded in reality. I think for readers, viewers listeners, there is a tremendous array of material available now. And I guess the main thing that the public can dio is similar to what we in the media, Khun dude, which is to try to avoid Just the distraction of the spectacle minute by minute by minute that if we find ourselves as citizens or as reporters being in the mode of a cat chasing a laser dot You know where it is exciting in that instant, but we're not God deciding about the things that matter in the long term, so there's a lot of material out there to listen to to watch and to read, so seek it out. We're gonna have to leave it there. And we thank you both so much. Jim Fallows, Susie Bana carom. We appreciate it. To duty. As the war over the ethnic Armenian en clave of Nagorno Karabakh continues between Armenia and Azerbaijan. The push for a cessation of hostilities accelerated this week..
"jim fallow" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Weren't true, and it just became accepted the well, That's what he does. Not calling that out more for what it wass and then holding the other side more accountable. That was probably a mistake. Another notable difference A 2017 analysis from the Columbia journalism Review. Found the coverage of Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server dominated mainstream news coverage more than any other topic during the 2016 election. This time, Republicans and some journalists say Joe Biden is the one not getting his fair share of scrutiny. Voters have one last opportunity to watch the president and the former vice president debate together one week from today in Nashville. Yet another story broke late today, adding to the controversy over the fall debates. Steve Scholar who's the political editor at C span, it was supposed to moderate tonight's debate was suspended by C SPAN for lying and saying that his Twitter account was hacked. Scully made that claim last week after he exchanged messages with a former Trump's spokesman who is now opposed to President Trump. Scully apologized, but the president tweeted that quote he was right. He said the debate was rigged, and the Trump campaign was not treated fairly by the debate commission. Let's take this moment to look at the news media's coverage of the campaign. James Fallows is a writer and author who wrote all about this for the Atlantic and Susie Bana carom. She's the director and producer of the documentary We just mentioned. She's the executive vice president at Vice news, and we welcome both of you to the NewsHour. Jim Fallows to you first. What do you make of the network's decision tonight? ABC had scheduled a town meeting with Joe Biden and NBC scheduled a town meeting President Trump at the exact same time. In my view, this was a very, very serious misjudgement by NBC, which I think I don't know what this will have any lasting political significance, but I think it will be seen as a really a miscalculation on their part. The reason is one of the lessons of the news media walking back four years ago was just their attraction to the spectacle of Donald Trump of covering his rallies in 2015 onward. We've seen that with the coronavirus passport Thinking's etcetera. The coverage of the helicopter from Walter Reed. The on ly reason to run these events head to head is for the spectacle value. See Who's gonna win the ratings battle, etcetera, etcetera, and NBC could've given Donald Trump a time after Joe Biden the next day or whatever. So I think this was an unfortunate judgment on your part. Susie Obamacare. And what about that? I mean, you've worked at the networks. You know how these decisions are made. What do you think has happened here? Look, I think this is incredibly disappointing, but it's not a surprise what Trump's riel skill is knowing how to draw attention away from a story that's not working for him. So he didn't do well in the first debate. E, you know, really didn't want to do the second debate and was getting criticized for that. And now all anybody's talking about is NBC and not Him and the things that aren't working. I'm in his campaign, right? And when NBC agrees to do this, they just played completely into his hands. They let him control the narrative, and he's already you know. Talking about how they're fake news on Twitter. So it's also just disappointing that they would give him this kind of opportunity, Tio, use them and also maligned them at the same time. Which does raise the question. Jim Fallows, a CZ we mentioned there's so much criticism of what the media did to enable Donald Trump in 2016. How do you see coverage this year? I think that the two big problems I tried to write about in the Atlantic from the previous cycles coverage one was this attraction to spectacle of a sitting. Karen was just saying that you have Where you just were doing in the setup piece. The other was the difficulty the media and dealing with a call with both side or ism. If one person is saying something that's true, and somebody else is saying something that simply beyond the realm of reality like that the U. S is doing fine with the pandemic, etcetera. It is difficult for the media to try to have our standard pose of centrism while having these two conflicting views. I think more of the media have been trying on this second front to deal with both types. I tourism, then have been trying to resist the spectacle Donald Trump, so I think it is an evolutionary process. But basically, I think Donald Trump has played the media more than than the media have been aware of being played. Susie Banik harem. What about that? I mean, it's It's something that all of us in the media struggle with, of course, not wanting to take sides warning to cover fairly, but you're covering a candidate the likes of which we've never seen. I think this is an incredible push to balance with just naturally how we're taught to think about things as journalists. But the reality is sometimes two things. They're just not equal, and it's our job to contextualize it that for people and help them process it, and when we don't do that, when we sort of just giving equal weight to everything they don't have any way of understanding, But at the same time Time as Trump is saying that he wants, you know any kind of Barrett confirmed so she can weigh in on the election. If it goes to the Supreme Court that the media sending a lot more time asking, buying about packing and those things are equal..
"jim fallow" Discussed on Here & Now
"Our next guest says that kind of cleaning is more show than substance Derek, Thompson writer and editor at the Atlantic joins us now. Hi, Derek Hey Jeremy. Well let's start with the science. Everybody's talking about how clean surfaces are but what do we know about? How the virus actually spreads on surfaces. The CDC has come out and said that touching a surface quote isn't thought to be the main way the virus spreads. It is thought to spread via airborne via large droplets or smaller droplets that linger in the air, unventilated indoor spaces, other scientists I spoke to came to an even more forceful conclusion. Emanuel, Goldman is a biology professor at Rutgers, New Jersey. Medical, school and And he told me that surface transmission of COVID. Nineteen is just not justified at all by the science, so we are still learning more about this disease, our knowledge about it is incomplete and I. Definitely don't want to suggest that it's impossible to contract this disease from services, but it seems far far more likely that we catch it from other people through airborne transmission. cleanings inactive hygiene theater, and compared it to some of the stuff that was done with airport security after nine eleven right, so we're all familiar with security theater. After nine eleven, the TSA took it upon themselves to pat down. Grandmothers and children for possible explosives. And lots of people including people the Atlantic like my colleague. Jim Fallow called the security theater. Well, I think that America's new found obsession with deep cleaning is a kind of hygiene theater. We are obsessed with ads like that planet fitness add about. Cleaning every single possible surface to an inch of its life in order to stop a disease that's actually not traveling mostly from surfaces in the first place. It's traveling through the air. So you have planet fitness doing what? They said they were doing that. AD. You have New York City subway, shutting down every night for a few hours for the first time, and it's one hundred sixteen year history in fact to blast the seats. Seats and the walls and the polls, all this antiseptic weaponry national restaurants like applebee's are creating sort of sanitation czars to oversee the constant scrubbing of window ledges. All of this is happening in a world where scientists are converging on the consensus that it's not spreading from surface to hand to face. It's spreading through the air. We have misallocated our attention and should be focused on unventilated indoor space is not on soap obsessions. I think about this when I go to the supermarket and still not allowed to use a reusable bag because you have to have a new plastic bag or new paper bag because they won't allow that, I? Don't know exactly how that keeps the virus away, but. Is there a problem with this excess cleaner. Shall we say you know what if it helps? People think that they're being safer than what's the problem with? Let us do everything possible to stop this virus. If someone listening likes washing their hands, I say, keep doing it. Keep washing your hands. If you want to scrub down your kitchen counter. That's fine. Keep doing it. The problem isn't so much individuals. It's when companies used their deep cleaning regimens as an excuse to allow people to come into spaces. They shouldn't be in the first place so for example if you. You have gyms restaurants with large unventilated indoor spaces that are essentially telling patrons. Come on in. We're scrubbing down the ellipticals and the tables. You're using just warped logic. You're inviting people to still come into your space and share these unventilated indoor spaces where they can get sick in the piece. I compare it to like an oceanside town that stalked by a frenzy. Frenzy of Ravenous Sharks and urge people to come back to the beach. They say you know we've reinforced the boardwalk with concrete like what now people can sturdily walk into the ocean and be separated from their limbs. You've totally misunderstood the nature of an airborne threat, so I'm definitely not calling and the scientists I spoke to are not calling for people to stop. Stop washing their hands. Keep doing that. If you're in public recently, don't immediately. Stick your fingers into your mouth. You know, take precautions, but still understand the three most important ways to stop this epidemic masks, distancing and moving activities outdoors. That's really it that is one scientist said we can beat this thing and deep clean, so often are just an expensive distraction. Derek Thompson senior editor at the Atlantic Derek. Thanks as always thank you. Robin, there's a market that I go to where they make you put not just a mask. Of course we all wear masks. When we go into a public face, they make you put plastic gloves on your hands to touch the fruits and vegetables. I'm like wait a minute. I'm going to wash these. And so is everybody else. Why would you anyway just young person who's gainfully employed wiping everything all the time so I'm thrilled? So at least it's. It's causing jobs to to go up. Here now is a production of NPR and Wvu are associated with the BBC World Service I'm Jeremy Hobson rather young is here..
"jim fallow" Discussed on Politics and More Podcast
"But I think that there's opportunity here to rethink for example education. I don't think it's ever been quite so transparent Would schools are for schools in our society for warehousing children? But it's so that parents can go to work in. What is this thing that we have created for kids or for for our industry so that so that parents can go to work so there are a lot of things to to question and I wonder if we have the capacity and the will to show just to follow up on on the coming election? What does give you hope? Well it gives me. Hope is that trump hasn't had as much of a pandemic bump as other western leaders even ones who haven't done a terribly good job and even though his ratings his approval ratings were have been higher during a panic than ever before. They're so pretty low for sitting president so that gives me a little bit of hope. I had The amazing journalist Jim Fallow speak to one of my classes recently and he said that he thinks that trump is going to lose if the laws of physics still obtain so. My question is do the laws of physics obtain. I'm not sure about that so that that's that's the part that I fear. I think that the laws of physics maybe stopped obtaining in two thousand sixteen and in that case. Maybe my hope is misplaced. I'm you know I'm terribly worried about our inability as media to to keep amplifying the election campaign I gather Joe Biden is doing a lot of things from his basement. One wouldn't know about it by looking at the front pages of the newspapers or the television screen. The right now this is happening because there's just this overwhelming sense of urgency to report everything on the corona virus. Which of course I feel too. I feel like all my attempts to write about anything else have left me very frustrated because I I can't like all I want to know and try to contribute toward is is is the Garona virus coverage but But the picture of the world that creates is all trump all the time. That's a sober note to end. I'm Annika gets you to come back a little bit closer to the election and we'll we'll talk further about that. Thank you so much Marcia. Thank you dorothy. Masha Gessen is a staff writer. At The New Yorker and the author of eleven books including surviving autocracy and the future is history how totalitarianism reclaimed Russia..
"jim fallow" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"The cold but often very real voter who could move to either side could vote for the Democrat or Republican as those orders have shrunk elections become bout based mobilization and so what you want to do is make sure that you weren't very good standing with your site into the set of issues that are being discussed are issues that activate your side and the press the other side to the swing state Republicans what you're seeing there is twenty years ago they'd be very worried about of voter who might defect from them to the Democrats but now they're much more worried about having the election take place on ground that is gonna be depressing to Republican turnout which impeachment is and one of the things I've been hearing from political reporters covering Iowa ahead of Monday's caucuses is that impeachment isn't landing one way or another on Joe Biden it isn't helping him because trump's false accusations are making him more of a hero or eliminating them from him because they think even of trucks a fascist biking shouldn't of got himself into the conflict of interest with his son neither is happening because the voters at events on even thinking about the issue the reporters in the field are telling me and my listeners on the show so is that your sense and if so does it tell us anything about Washington being polarized differently from the rest of the country yes there's no doubt that Washington and political it's in general are much more ports but not just more polarized they're more attentive to whatever the new cycle issue is of the moment whereas when you if this is an old thing goes back to Jim fallows why Americans hate the media but when you listen to the questions reporters will ask candidates it'll be whatever happened in the news that day what's going on in the polls did see the scandal so and so said this what do you think of that and then you go to a town hall and the person says my health care is too expensive how you help me and so the concerns Americans have for the candidates are always different than the contents political Portis push them towards but I don't I I do think it is interesting that impeachment is not helping or hurting Joe Biden one way or the other and I don't know that we really know how it would play out for him I mean I think something is interesting here about witnesses is it something that is kept the witness conversation a little bit stymied is Republicans about this counter argument well okay what if we did it but we did a witness trade now not all of them have said they would have braces but Lisa floated it and one reason Democrats have been a little reticent on that is that the witness trade their public would want is for hunter Joe Biden I think of Joe Biden we're in a stronger position as a candidate in your more confident into some performance it is always be very good thing for him to be able to come into the Senate and show that if this is truly ridiculous than show it's ridiculous I think it speaks not to strength but to his weakness of there's a lot of fear about that happening I will continue in a minute with as a client and we'll turn the page from impeachment two other things related to his book why were polarized including why Barack Obama tried but failed to unpolarized the country and why everything's Democrats don't have the luxury that president trump has in those swing state Republicans we were just talking about of just playing to their base stay with us starting.
"jim fallow" Discussed on WGN Radio
"That area. Recently. My GPS is all confused if I ever if I'm ever trying to use that figure out where to get off her on what's closed. What's not does? They can't keep up with now right now. That's it's you've got to look into signs it just look at the signs. Listen to Mary. Yeah. Exactly. President Trump's chief economic adviser told Fox News yesterday that both sides will suffer from the trade war experts say that American businesses and consumers will face higher prices on everything from computers to toilet paper. That's important too. Because that's not what the president has been saying. He's been saying that the consumers won't suffer generally. So Kudlow can put his foot in his mouth little yesterday on that. And he right, right. It's absolutely. Yeah. It's going to be an easy way to win. But we're going to be the consumers are the ones who are going to be hurt. Okay. There's bright note for a Monday morning. Mike Pompeo is scheduled to make his first trip to Russia. Secretary of state this week on the gender a discussion with President Vladimir Putin. Putin about different information efforts of before European elections. Coming up this month. Did you see the plane hockey? The he saw Russia. His teammates to keep him before. He hit the red carpet with his skates. It's hilarious. If you you know, I will post it on the Steve Cochran show Facebook page because regardless of what you think about ladder Putin. It's funny because he's skating, and then he hits I was the carpet down for puck drop or why I don't know why after the game. Oh, maybe it's for the post game interview or something. But he he ran into it and fell in. It's funny. Anyway, that is to get going this week. They visit by the secretary of state Chicago hospital emergency rooms could start seeing a new kind of patient those hurt after falling from tripping over or getting hit by those electric scooters and they're bringing the scooters to Chicago. And we talked about this a little bit last week. Number cities are ready have them in those cities have seen hundreds of injuries from broken arms to brain trauma. They have them the last place. I was that had them a lot of them is San Diego. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of them in Nashville to Austin. I think too that's in the what made what I found. Interesting is, you know, unfortunately, Walter Jacobson our own Walter Jacobson his wife fell walking her dog and Florida and she hit her head and then ended up passing away from brain trauma in. I think. That when you're falling off of these electric scooters getting hit if you hit your head. You gotta go to the doctor, but they're they're they're convenient. They're also pose a threat. They're not wearing helmets either helmets. And also they get kinda left all over the sidewalks. Real after watch your step wheelchair to another hazzard thing might trip over scooter one of the stars of television, and Mary you're too young to remember this Vandevelde tonight, certainly die. So depressed about this Hegi Lipton star of the mod squad. That's where I know her from also twin peaks died over the weekend at the age of seventy two. She was she was part of that triumvirate on the mod squad, which is a hit show in love with Michael Cole. There was Clarence Williams. The third third women link I forgot what my name was on the show but Peggy Lipton she was such a bad. You know, a SS. She was just she was just wonderful on this show. She never smiled. She just pulled a gun out. You know, she never knew where she was. And I loved her. And I know she's seventy two is young is. She looked beauty. Awful though, she was gorgeous seventy she was she was repeated Jones mom, I didn't Johns. Mom, she you know, she was married to Quincy Jones for years and she had those two beautiful daughters and repeated Jones was one of them. And she looks just like her. You know what? Now that you say that. Oh, yeah. Put the two of them together as a picture of the two of them. Yeah. We're talking about we missed a big win on Friday in this. This was a hero of mine. Jim fowler. Remember, Jim fallow? Forbidding while kingdom Marlin Perkins wild ride always on with Johnny Carson, right? He goes about the animals on Johnny Carson. He was the guy that Merlin Marlin Perkins. Always used to send out into dangerous dirty work. Go jim. Marla stayed back. Z GM was out there. But as a kid I used to watch mutual of Omaha wild king. What got me interested in animals? Love him. Is it natural causes or with? It was eighty nine years old. I think Peggy Lipton had colon cancer. I believe some kind of cancer and finally. Rid son Justin Trudeau in the second city audience Margaret Trudeau performed her one woman show, I guess this is the right title certain women of aid is the right title. And she was wearing jeans, and she was sick sipping like a beverage. It seemed like a really cool. I know that the kids were a little embarrassed by some of the stories she wish airing, but you know, he's he's going to be up for reelection. I dunno Steve might be in an election right now. But he's got some stuff going on. So just interesting that. It was cool that they were here to support their mom for her for show. A one woman show. They're like Canada's most famous family, so but it's going on. Yeah. That was yesterday. Next time. That's the top six..
"jim fallow" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"I want to talk about this warrant proposal because we have talked about in the past the idea of. How would you break up? How would you break up these big companies and at the time, I think these big tech giants at the time. I was like, I don't know. I know there is way and their policy there's policy apparatus that are that are working on this. And the very least this is. I think from anti monopoly folks and antitrust folks, they would say this is a very measured somewhat moderate proposal. I think match Diller made a point on the on Twitter about the Sherman antitrust act actually having criminal a liability as well. But warren. Announce the proposal I guess to today, she's announcing it and it calls for the appointment of regulators who would unwind tech merger. Mergers that illegally undermined competition. And it would also. This is sort of consistent with the the sin fin laws that we used to have syndication laws which. I I think came from movie theaters back in the early nineteen hundreds or mid nineteen hundreds where you could not be a movie studio and own movie theaters. And the reason was because obviously you're going to favor your own movies in these movie theaters, you're going to crowd out the competition of other people making movies. And so and then we saw this in television as well. Bill Clinton rolled this back in the telecommunications act of nineteen Ninety-six where studios and be studios could not sell to NBC television. Because obviously they would be incentivized to only put on projects made by NBC television. And now, you know, the theory, I guess was that well, and it was problematic for several years. And then I think cable basically opened it up quite a bit. The reason why you got that. Union cafe show that Jim fallow. Did was perfect example of like what happens when NBC produces its own shows. God by I was offered it. But let's not get it there. All right. So here's the point. She she is proposing that you cannot you cannot have a platform that both offers a marketplace commerce and participating in that market. So for.
"jim fallow" Discussed on Slate's Political Gabfest
"It doesn't actually feel very healthy at a certain point like it sort of feels like we're having the same conversation over and over and just getting more and more angry and upset when I go out. And you know, thank God for my job. Requires me to actually talk across. Divides. And when I actually talked to people, even when I really some of what they say offends me when I get to know them and talk to them, I feel like I'm seeing more clearly in a sense. I'm seeing more of the full picture. And it's it is it is like it's like I like myself better in that state. If that makes sense sounds a little mushy. But Amanda, what did you make of the finding that forty five percent of Democrats and thirty five percent of Republicans say they'd be unhappy if their child married someone from the opposite party does that mean, the Democrats are less tolerant than Republicans. That's the first question. The second is faith and forgiveness. Do you think that you you talk about that? Do you think that the decline in the practice of religion has changed? This people have less tolerance with the obvious caveat that many of the people who are least tolerant and particularly with respect to treating other people. Like, they also are God's children happen to be people who are outwardly quite. Religious. And then I'll I'll not ask you three questions. Yeah. I mean, I think to take the second question. I I think it depends on the on the church, and or the religious the faith and the leaders of that organization, right? Like there are there are houses of worship that really make the case for humility for curiosity for forgiveness for mercy and grace to the extent that those places have become less salient in people's lives. I think that is a huge loss. But like you say there are lots of other examples that do not practice and preach humility and grace, particularly around abortion and sexuality. So so it's a tough question to answer. I think as a country we could stand talk a lot more about humility about the perils of vanity. So that's that doesn't have to come from a religious faith. But it it might be more salient. If it did. And then I'm so glad you asked about the ACM etry that we saw in that recent survey by PRI in the Atlantic where forty five percent of Democrats and thirty five percent of Republicans said they'd be unhappy if their kid married someone from the opposite party. Now, the big headline here is that this is a huge change for both sides in one thousand nine hundred sixty five percent of both groups who said they would be upset about this. This is like a really important data point because it is something we studied around race and ethnicity in. Engine for very long time. And now there's been a huge shift. Other research has found the opposite that it's Republicans who are more upset about Democrats are analysis in this case found that Republicans seemed to dislike Democrats more than Democrats dislike Republicans. So I kind of buried this in the story because I'm not sure what to make of it. Honestly. And I didn't want to just add to the finger pointing of like, oh, see we knew they hated us more than we because the big picture is both sides are hitting the other side more than before. Also. There's also a funny thing that's happening in potent a funny thing, but it's been having for a while. But also, depending on the poll self identified Republicans, a lot have shifted from Republican into independent, and so you can have a self identified. Republican core that is differently Representative of the conservative core than Democrats to the liberal core. So it's depending on the poll self-identification can tweak these numbers. One other quick question. Jim fallow has this theory that he that he and Deb came up with when they wrote their book about visiting town healthy towns out in the country, and they had a either a rough or an iron clad. I can't remember rule which was that healthier the community the less. They talked about national politics. Does that where does that fall? And this is obviously an example of one. So it doesn't, but I just wonder whether where that fits with respect to the way you see Watertown. I think that's a great point. I wish I had made that point..
"jim fallow" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show
"Is the podcast. Listen, if you want to better understand what is the largest global displacement some since I'm Revie gourmet it I'm grand cordon in this season. We're going to focus on one of the most important issues shaping the displacement crisis. That's how the nature of wars changing. We will look at how technologies like drones cyber warfare. And social media are changing the ways that conflict start and how they play out two seasons to displace now on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So let me ask you about something tactical in that air. I've always been very curious about the period of time after you got the the highway Bill passed the auto safety Bill passed and building Nader's raiders. And I've always been very curious when you got these young people in and said, hey, investigate the FTC or whoever it might be. What instructions did you give them? What was the what was the the playbook? You gave Nader's raiders to go and ferret out. What was happening at a government agency or go and understand what was happening at a government agency or give them a lot of autonomy. First of all we had a huge amount of of resumes to pick from so first of all we got really motivated knowledgeable hardworking youngsters coming in second. I had them read upside down whatever's written on department of agriculture or the Federal Trade Commission. Or the food and Drug administration third. I had him go and talk with the outside experts on it. So that they could always call them when they needed fourth. I introduced him to the heads of the agencies. I would go down with them and say, you know, the these young people they are really capable of doing an evaluation of your performance than putting it together in a report. And when we got back to the office. I would tell him if you had any trouble I've got your back and at that time, you know, I could call Martin meant. So the poster I could call Pat slowing of UPI, and we get some exposure if some agency was trying to close them out, and I gave him a lot of autonomy. Then they knew that they were going to be authors of the report, it wasn't going to be my name on the book with a footnote or acknowledge -ment to Joe or J James schmo that they did a lot of work, and thank you very much. We made them authors. At a very young age. And they knew they have a huge step up when at age twenty three twenty four twenty five authors of a book, which had a substantial circulation and got a lot of media coverage. And so when you looked for these people, what did you look for? I look for thirst for Justice, a passion for Justice that is they have to show some fire in the belly not just some cognitive capabilities. That's one the second is where the just out to burnish their resume at that time was a big deal to be Nader's raider. Or were they seriously interested in affecting change third. Did they hog credit because they have to work with a group or did they know how to share credit that did they have personal skills and fourth and most important where they're going to stay to completion. Because, you know, September comes back at school or they're out, and you know, we'd be left with one or two members of the task force and. It might not get done on time. So they had to stay with it. Like, Jim fallow stayed with it and put the book out on the Savannah River polluters while he was at Harvard undergrad or a task force from miss Porter's school. They stuck with it until they put out the report on the nursing home abuses in America. And they testified for the house and Senate at age eighteen and got a lot of mass media try that today and how did you pick up on nursing home abuses as a topic? You would wanna focus on. How did you get from big picture national? You know, millions of people are dying in in car accidents on the road who who maybe don't need to to Savannah River pollution or nursing homes. Well after I got the auto and highway safety Bill through with.
"jim fallow" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka
"We'll be negative if he respond to that. Because they support us great. If they responded that because they hate Trump great because they'll go away over Peter. Not sure that the eggs are from the book that you read is criticism. I'm just it's true. Trump has been a gold mine for television ratings and for newspapers. So that's all on. That is true. I wanted to talk about this pew study and people have a general distrust for the media and in the suggestion, I get from reading the book is that if we tone that back a bit that would help the media regain trust. And it seems like we're well beyond then. Now, I I'm not talking about Tony down. But I am talking about maybe better module. Relation like often. I'll open let's say the Washington Post's app and one of their apps, the posts most actually interchanges news story is an opinion as they aggregate and seriously on not few days. I I have to scrawl pass like eight or nine thin set aren't Trump Trump, Trump Trump and the other day, again, I those are Trump stories that are negative there. Feeding on negative stories. Less. Find interesting is that they all get clicked on. So there is an incentive. I just think I'm not that is an criticism. It just is sort of. It's Michael Kinsley is rule that the biggest crime is to say what is true a gaffe? He does define a gal right deaf. Ashes fact checked you live on the podcasts. Yeah. Well, it was a long time ago. That's I think that's you have a younger memory. I kinda want to quit while I'm ahead. But instead, we're going get quick break. Looking at Golda. We'll be right back. Displaced is the podcast. Listen, if you want to bet on the stand the largest global displacement crosses since I'm ready gourmet it I'm grand cordon in this season. We're going to focus on one of the most important issue shaping the displacement crisis. That's how the nature of wars changing. We will look at how technologies like drones cyberwarfare. And social media are changing the ways that conflict start and how they play out Schwab to season to displace now on apple podcasts or wherever you get. You podcasts. I'm back with Jill Abramson. We could talk for a long time by your book. Go read it. It's great. What surprised you about the Washington Post when you spent time writing about that company that thing that surprised me immediately? When I started going there to interview journalists was that it seems so happy because you expect them to be complaining about Basil's and the new not necessarily, but it was such a contrast to you. I spent twenty two years of my career in Washington in the Washington bureau of the Wall Street Journal, and then I was Washington bureau chief of the times and during all of that time, I mean, they were so reducing their staff, and it was just depression city over there. And. Yeah, people whose criticism. Awesome. I respect a lot like Jim fallow. We're saying in what they wrote that the quality of the newspaper was suffering. And so was you know, misery alley and then you know, what I found on day one was Happy Valley. And and that's just you know, it was surprising. It's not like I expected them to be sour grapes about Jeff Bezos spot just to have such a quick turn. Or I figured their honeymoon period where you've got money and someone says they want to invest and they've been losing assets and losing people for a long time. And then after a while the billionaire in this case, the tech billionaire would go what am I doing here with this company? And actually, I don't want coverage of this all or the other version B, I'm a technologist I'm gonna fix the company with my own special software or management mandate. And. Fits of that. But you haven't certain haven't heard complaining about it..
"jim fallow" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Is. This statistic. I didn't know if you're gonna use it. But I studied up on this, do, you know, where those four thousand people come are captured the courts, not always certainly the State Department says there hasn't been any terrorist found coming across the. Land and it's spicy. It's all of the above the one thing that you're forgetting the most vulnerable point of entry that we have in this country is our southern border, and we have to protect it and the more. Coming across the southern border, Sarah, they're coming and they're being stopped. Well, there we have a pretty good example work last, but also many examples coming from Krista Nielsen and also Donnelly from Sarah Sanders, but the president himself that just don't square with the facts. So, you know, this was I think what's newsworthy about what Chris Wallace did is that it's newsworthy. Just it isn't we don't push back. The way the say the BBC does you know there? There are British correspondence. Jeremy Paxman is a famous one. Who will just literally ask the same question in real time fifteen times, Eric without editing. And so that you can see exactly how much is is being invaded. When you directly go to it. Chris Wallace did a couple of rounds. She said the same thing about the most vulnerable point. And then talking about the fourth. I'm sorry. Sarah Sanders, and and Chris Wallace did. Go through that a couple of times. And the problem was that they only have a couple of times on FOX TV, but you could see her effort to just conflict four thousand most vulnerable point is the southern border four thousand the most vulnerable point is the southern border to things that may or may not be true. But she's trying very hard to put them together. We've seen that sort of conflict technique in other administrations and many many times. But here he wasn't letting or get away from it. That was big news, especially because it was FOX and we've seen Jake tapper do similar things on CNN. It doesn't get quite the same play. But it was wonderfully satisfying to watch. Now, we can do real time. Fact checking on this because we pretty much know his points. We may not be able to get all of them. But you could get some of them. Jim fallow suggests maybe be doing ESPN style, scroll down the back. Jim Jim fellas of the Atlantic may be down the right or across the bottom. He even suggested maybe a continuous oral commentary, LA MS T three K mystery science theater three thousand ways the back heads of the correspondents literally talking back to the screen, which is what they do in their mock criticism of really bad science fiction films. One thing he is concerned about, but he says, it's still a good option. But it shouldn't be alone is the democratic political response of this is an overtly political discussion there should be an overtly political response that would be fair. His problem is and our problem is that. So these are just two political opinions and reasonable people disagreeing, we know just by dint of the unbelievable volume of lies the president generates, you know, minute by minute basis that this is going to be sheer fantasy land. And it's almost dignifying it by saying, it's a reasonable. He's you know, reasonable people can disagree argument. This is plagued the media's coverage of global warming for a long time. You put on one person who's paid by the oil company, and whose extreme outlier and have it have him suggest that there is a disagreement within the scientific community when there is not. So you've got the problem of perception there, but you can fix it with real time. Fact checking prior to that response. There's also the partisan you alluded to the whole partisan side of this issue. I mean, the president has said that the Democrats are blocking. The Democrats have said that the Democratic Party spokespeople. Who said this is immoral to build a wall? He's got a real divide. An extraordinary divide here among different sides and prisons blaming the Democrats. The Democrats are blaming the president. So to have at least some response and some feedback from the other party would seem to be perfectly normal and in the plantings. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And by the way, there isn't just disagreement between the two parties the president himself disagrees with himself. He was perfectly willing to sign an agreement to keep the government open absent mention of the wall. You know, if this is of such deep national security importance, he probably wouldn't have agreed to that. But he did it was all set up. And then he was knocked off that position by of all people and Coulter is what it seems goes. Also, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity a combined effort, I think. Yeah. It was the, you know, I guess you'd call them the three horsemen of the apocalypse or something like that. But the thing is is that the. Undue attention to and the rapid response to you know, people like these who I guess Trump assumes represents his base. I don't think that's true. But what do I know there are certain? There are a lot. There's plenty that. I don't know. But what I do know is that if Trump had really cared about this as a national security issue that he felt was existential. He wouldn't just turn after that criticism came in. And there was no other external situation that had changed for that reaction. Talking to Brooklyn hosted managing editor of on the media from WNYC in New York, and she's with us here, and you can be with us as well. In fact, let me give the phone number.
"jim fallow" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Most vulnerable point of entry is. Statistic. I didn't know if you're gonna use it. But I studied up on this, do, you know, where those four thousand people come they're captured the court, not always certainly the State Department says there hasn't been any terrorist found coming across. Land and it's spicy. It's all of the above the one thing that you're forgetting the most vulnerable point of entry that we have in this country is our southern border, and we have to protect it and the more. Across the southern border, Sarah, they're coming and they're being stopped. Well, there we have a pretty good example of work last film. But also many examples coming from Kristen Nielsen and also not only from Sarah Sanders, but the president himself that just don't square with the facts. So, you know, this was I think what's newsworthy about what Chris Wallace did is that it's newsworthy. Just it isn't we don't push back. The way the say the BBC does you know there? There are British Carson Wentz. Jeremy Paxman is a famous one who just literally ask the same question in real time fifteen times, Eric without editing. And so that you can see exactly how much is is being evaded when you directly go to it. Chris Wallace did a couple of rounds. She said the same thing about the most vulnerable point. And then talking about the fourth. I'm sorry. Sarah Sanders, and and Chris Wallace did. Go through that a couple of times. And the problem was that they only have a couple of times on Fox TV, but you could see her effort to just conflict four thousand most vulnerable point is the southern border four thousand the most vulnerable point is southern border to things that may or may not be true. But she's trying very hard to put them together. We've seen that sort of confession technique in other administrations and many many times. But here he wasn't winning or get away from it. That was big news, especially because it was FOX mean we've seen Jake tapper do similar things on CNN. It doesn't get quite the same play. But it was wonderfully satisfying to watch. Now, we can do real time fact checking on this because we pretty much know his points. We may not be able to get all of them. But you could get some of them, Jim. Jim fallow suggests may be doing ESPN style, scroll down the back. Jim Jim Fowler's of the Atlantic may be down the right or across the bottom. He even suggested may be a continuous oral commentary Isla MS T three K mystery science theater three thousand see the back heads of the correspondents literally talking back to the screen, which is what they do in their mock criticism of really bad science fiction films. One thing he is concerned about, but he says, it's still a good option. But it shouldn't be alone is the democratic political response of this is an overtly political discussion there should be an overtly political response that would be fair. His problem is an our problem is that these are just two political opinions and reasonable people disagreeing, we know just by dint of the unbelievable volume of lies. The president generates you know, on a minute by minute basis that this is going to be sheer fantasy land. And it's almost dignifying it by saying, it's a reasonable. He's you know, reasonable people can disagree argument. This is plagued the media's coverage of global warming for a long time. You put on one person who's paid by the oil company, and whose extreme outlier and have it have him suggest that there is a disagreement within the scientific community when there is not. So you've got the problem of perception there, but you can fix it with real time. Fact checking prior to that response. There's also the partisan you alluded to the whole partisan side of this issue. I mean, the president has said that the Democrats are blocking him the Democrats have said that the Democratic Party spokespeople. Who said this is immoral to build a wall? You've got a real divide and extraordinary divide here among different sides. And. Prisons, blaming the Democrats. The Democrats are blaming the president. So to have at least some response and some feedback from the other party would seem to be perfectly normal and in the plantings. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And by the way, there isn't just disagreement between the two parties the president himself disagrees with himself. He was perfectly willing to sign an agreement to keep the government open absent mention of the wall. You know, if this is of such deep national security importance, he probably wouldn't have agreed to that. But he did it was all set up. And then he was knocked off that position by of all people and Coulter is what it seems. Also, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity. Okay. A combined effort, I think. Yeah. It was the, you know, I guess you'd call them the three horsemen of the apocalypse or something like that. But the thing is is that the. Undue attention to and the rapid response to you know, people like these who I guess Trump assumes represents his base. I don't think that's true. But what do I know there are certain? There are a lot. There's plenty of that. I don't know. But what I do know is that if Trump had really cared about this as a national security issue that he felt was eggs essential. He wouldn't just turn after that criticism came in. And there was no other external situation that had changed for that reaction talking to Brooklyn nets host and managing editor of on the media from WNYC in New York, and she's with us here, and you can be with us as well. In fact, let me give the phone number.
"jim fallow" Discussed on Katie Couric
"That's what I'm doing. My spare time AJ's follow me around put a tail on the very bored. Couple points on that hard. Didn't think anybody would actually do it. And the Miami Herald reporters were already already they use that post-facto as justification. I think I think Mets book full Gary one great takeaway for him was Finally, I mean, probably the smartest politician that may have ever been in American one of the smartest to be known as doing the dumbest thing, I think to him was one of those great injustices Menton book put that you know, to ride said it was a throwaway Coleman and. And they were already falling him around. But I I people to okay. So view the movie, and he's these whole three weeks from the idea that he did it. Right. Okay. So he did it. And and then view it from the prison that maybe there was nothing with done. Right. Maybe nothing that he meant. Maybe this whole story in the Atlantic that leeann watered set the whole thing up. Okay. Take that as a n view from that prison. Then watch a man who did retiring, right? What's up by ticket? Every time. Mentioned that as kind of an aside that Jim fallow piece in the Atlantic. Yeah. Was pretty fascinating. That's an I'm man, I'm curious your view on this sincere. The world's expert basically follows spoke to a very famous media. Guy raced rather who worked for harder who had like a deathbed conversation with water, George Bush's strategist who told him that the monkey business the images, the whole thing was sort of set up by Bush's campaign. Do you buy that? I don't know Brian. I mean, you know, I I'm like you. I find it fascinating. I think here's what I know. I I think it's perfectly plausible that the Republicans would have set out to do hard at that point. I also think that so many decisions were made by people who I know were not part of a plot that week that, you know, I don't think you could construct a rube Goldberg machine quite that intricate right people use judgement and bad judgment often. And so I think it's possible both things were going on. I don't think you could any conspiracy could've. Count for all the things that happened that week or how it unfolded? But ultimately for us. It's it's just interesting. I mean, we're more interested in the forces that set it all in motion, and how it changed the industry. I mean, we regardless of what set that in motion. So I'm fascinated. I've talked to Jim Fowler about it. And I I've given him new paths to go down. And I hope he keeps looking at it. Because I think it's a fun thing to speculate about, but I it is just really special relevance. If if it happened is it still is at an like, maybe for you that is that that disqualifies someone is again candidate. But I don't know. I don't know if it does or not honestly, I think sometimes it's the reaction to it that that if he had said, and I don't know if I if we can go back to nineteen eighty seven and say, well, what should he have done? What could he have done? Could he have somehow right? Gotten out of this for the good of the country to to push forward. His ideas, the fun of it. Right. Watching it. I was like if Gary was only interested in political survival. I have no doubt. It could have got out of that in a second. But. But. You know? I've been on for starters on record. You know, my wife, and I have been married for thirty years with two or three separations. But we together we working on it. And like any couple we committed to doing our best. Anyway, we move onto nominee like moving on like. And the moment that because that's one of them saying if you view from the prison, let's say nothing happened right with that situation. And then you've got a man whose principal is first thing is going to protect my wife and children..
"jim fallow" Discussed on WPRO 630AM
"Wilson it names fdr it names lbj these presidents rose to the occasion the way i read this michael right now is that mr meacham is suggesting that those in the democratic party who are despairing every day with the allegations against donald trump with the reporting on television despairing that america's fallen into a trough those democrats should take heart we've been here before and a hero will rise a very good evening to you michael good evening john this is an exercise and grooming as it were the sacred narrative of blue america it's an attempt to do two things it sounds like one is to as you just put it to infuse the disheartened with hope that they will be you know the liberals will rise again as it were and at the same time also i think there's a slightly darker agenda at work and that is to insinuate almost in a hidden way but not too hidden that the true good in america of course we're poses in the blue world the blue sensibility the blue of virtue and that that will be highlighted along the way with a few you know quick razor cuts at say the current sitting president and this is in a way to stake out the narrative on a not just to to give hope to to democrats and liberals but but also to to try and stake out the authoritative statement on what america is with a distinctly blue coloration and i noticed this week along with with mitchum's book there is a big happy banner article in the atlantic which itself is a marquee blue bastion of by jim fallow whom i know and like very much and it it's called the reinvention of america's based on his new book written along with his wife and it's called our towns plural it's a play on thornton wilder famous drama art town and it attempts in its own way to reassert and appropriate how we should look at red america as a kind of quaint representation almost of of a grant wood painting of of of famous stoic american virtues like the early black and white scenes say in the nineteen thirty nine loser to buy so that small town america is coming back and oh by the way this this rejuvenation this ration is being led by blue yuppies who are moving out into the small towns.