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#1476 - Q&A: Any ideas to monetize my visual poetry

Side Hustle School

08:01 min | Last week

#1476 - Q&A: Any ideas to monetize my visual poetry

"You finally decided to learn how to ice skate. So you order the essentials. Every ice skater needs a pair of blades. A new helmet hand. Good set of kneepads. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback on online shopping rewards that you put towards the cost of an essential piece of posting recovery heating pad visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Welcome sinus school. So badger out there to got a community of people who are trying to create new sources of income. Diversify their income. Perhaps quit their job. Perhaps go out on their own or perhaps remain happily at their job while doing something on the side building creative outlet today. We're going to hear from a visual artist. Who hopes to monetize her. Creative works images creations. She calls it visual poetry. Could there be something else. She hasn't considered a subscription model. Be the best option. What is a good path forward and the thing is selling art can be a real challenge. Okay i hear from artists all the time. It's very different from selling a product that meets a practical need like recently. I was working on an episode. Where i mentioned a story. We had a long time ago in the archives about these guys who created a thing called step in pole which is a tool for public restrooms That allows you to open the restroom using your foot so you don't just like wash your hands and then go use. Your hand opened the door. Which of course has been a problem for a long time but you know in the age of covid nineteen is even more urgent. So that's an extremely practical solution. You know pretty easy to sell it you know at this point Selling are different than that so not to say it can't be done selling art Something we have to be aware of that aren't meets a very different need something. That's more practical. So let's see what we can figure out any ideas to monetize visual poetry. That's the question coming up after this quick message from our sponsor in two thousand twenty one a truly diversified portfolio needs more than the traditional mix of stocks bonds and mutual funds. It needs private real estate with rise. This level of powerful diversification is now available to you. i am indeed a fundraiser investor. Myself i love their model. Who have huge amount of transparency in terms of where all the properties are. How the whole thing works. It's just a really creative and interesting way to diversify your portfolio without turning into a landmark. Because nobody wants to do that released. I don't see for yourself. How one hundred and thirty thousand. Investors have built a better portfolio with private real estate. It takes us a few minutes to get started. Go to fund rise dot com slash side-hustle. Today that's f. u. n. d. r. i. s. c. dot com slash side-hustle fundraise dot com slash side hustle. This at least scarlett from vancouver canada. I've been listening to the show for well over a year now and i really enjoy it. Artists who works with image taxed the taxonomy original poetry written by meet. the problem. is that while people seem to really like my work and spend a good chunk of time reading it and sometimes find it. I realized that most do not see hanes poetry on their wall in friend. I must pin it somehow. And i'd like to earn money for what i'm good at. Cars have been more successful but that market is very competitive. My question is how do i get my poetry out of a frame visual. Rpg's and into slash something want to buy a subscription model of some sort work late to contribute to the world in a positive way. And i'm open to any suggestions. You may have many. Thanks all. Jim chris thank you. Lisa scarlet the call and a question. I think lisa is asking the right questions and about pivoting always good to be willing to do something different without necessarily compromising your art because usually lots of different ways we can express art so i always appreciate and respect artists who are willing to try different stuff. You know to to accomplish the twin goals of doing something creative but then also you know. Hopefully making an impact on people enough that they're willing to pay for it so it's both in artistic creation and a commercial transaction. Nothing at all wrong with that. So i think first of all. How do you sell art of any kind. Like therein lies. The first part of the answer ultimately art that is sold not just dark that is for sale because lots of artists have worked for sale. But they don't actually sell much of it. You know that sold has to have some kind of connection with the buyer. It doesn't mean a practical need so it has to meet some kind of emotional need and in terms of selling cards. I think lisa mentioned something about selling cards her car cell more but but it's a very competitive space. I agree that it's a competitive space. Also lower priced than original art or copies of original art depending on the medium. And such so. I do tend to think there's a better approach. I don't quite know what it is. I mean if it is a subscription model. I think it works mostly as a gift so maybe there is some kind of art box that she could make take a look at crate. Joy we featured a number of episodes people that have made subscription boxes joy dot com. There's lots of different options to do it there. I don't know if that would work for one hundred percent but it's an idea. Ultimately it will depend on funding right form the right medium. So that's an artistic decision. It's hard for me to to say what might be best. They're what you might want to ask. Though in this situation is the next question is is there anyone else finding success doing something similar and when i say something similar just to be clear i don't mean similar to your medium or finished product necessarily or even similar to your style. It's much more like who are the artists who have pivoted in this way and if found customers who will buy not just appreciate who have found a way to sell their art not just have it for sale. Go and find them and study up. There are a lot of them out there. One example a friend of mine is ella francis sanders a. Does really beautiful work. That i don't think is compromised anyway yet. She has a very active online community and communicates regularly with her buyers and followers. So that's ella francis sanders if you just google that name or elephants as sanders dot com or also on instagram and one last thing you know whoever it is that you look at it as as a role model or someone to emulate. I'm pretty sure they're going to be focused on their customers. And not the art community at large so this is one thing that might be helpful to somebody. A lot of artists happens in other fields to become very insular and the networks in which they communicate tend to be mostly other artists until it becomes kind of this sense ensler thing and ultimately if you want to sell to customers you need to be focused on your customers so considering this external versus internal focus is also something that might be good to think about. How can you really build community and those are people not other artists who are also trying to do the same thing so hopefully there's something there you can pull out lisa helpful to you but definitely let us know how it goes and cheering you on all of our artists out there. Just don't forget to make that emotional connection always remember that the emotional connection with your customer client. Whoever supporting your patron that really is paramount. That's the most important thing for anyone. Not selling a practical product all right. That's all for me today listeners. If you've got a question come to us school dot com slash questions. I love having these interactions. I would love to hear from you to know what is working. What's not working for. Your struggle is what your success is all the things. We are a global community. As i said and i am fortunate to connect with you each day. So thank you for listening Do come back tomorrow. My name is chris go about this is successful school from the onward projects.

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05 - Checkmate, Roundboys

When Last I Left

37:46 min | 1 year ago

05 - Checkmate, Roundboys

"From Commedia Everything is awful. Oh welcome to win. Last I agree I yeah I like that welcomes them and everything is just fantastic task. Jim Chris Yeah I'm Jenny and Mickey Eh and as always we are here in a studio where about to tell you a story that may or may not make any sense it hopefully will make a little bit of sense and that is because as we are making this story up on the fly based on story points that have been submitted to us by listeners. Can submit these ideas via twitter via instagram via email. Just check us out on all the things with all the handles and we'll do things with all about snail mail snail mail. Can they write us. Glitter bet are not going to give you my address. Sixteen Hundred Mania Vania but On this as we are telling the story navigating from my Personal Social Faux Pas through these story points that you've submitted to us we also have to follow a rule. Rule rule hit us up with that rule. This rule this week is if you mention of food or drink you have to break it down by its ingredients thank you that was sent to us by at Sheffi dog next year if he does so as as an example. If I was telling a story and I said I ate a sandwich with the multi grain bread the lettuce tomato the cheese and the chicken with the mayonnaise and then some yellow mustard stern all put together in a nice stack. I would have to describe it that way in story if we posit should of coordinated that space brandon doesn't matter. No one knows what I'm talking I if the show if you hear this music and that sound that means the show is paused so we can have a moment to say pizza and Sandwich. We don't have to break it down by ingredients because that's what this pause space is a safe-space going along with this being based we are still waiting for a new bluetooth trigger so that you won't hear the sound of this kind of like the sound. We have a very pointy foot pedal that then why do we have that Kula. Because I like to play with with the coasters that we have here at the Water Cup and I spilled the water water hydrogen and Oxygen Yes filmed water on our very exciting new electronic will do what like the water. The ingredients radiance is being a toy that we'd just gotten so it is what it is. We had this clunky foot pedal until one Amazon sends US thing they're usually but until then we're go to then starter episode with topic that was given to us by the listener. Esteem listeners submit topic. I wrote the theme song for it. We're GONNA listen to it the the listener and the listener was lyle. Tompkins make you live a twelve year old and Ontario Canada. We love you year old in the scheduling. It's GonNa be okay without the last year That was my problem is the only word I heard was with butter ingredients milk and milk milk milk milk work. It's just milk kind of like beaten for awhile ingredients and it's delicious Christchurch but we're the worst turning. Were turning. What a good job already breaking meal turning the Nilka Song? It's clearly in in combat with our thing. The words boiled steamed or grilled on the COB spice adorned spices small. I'm from Maryland with butter. Milk beaten beaten turned into a stew coins potentially or ground into flour. Let's talk corn. Oh ingredients corn ingredients corn seeds in dirt and hard work so corn isn't just the level of humor on this podcast. It is now this subject. We love corn so all right. If it's a single ingredient in every breaking it I think corn corn is. There's no yeah so go I mean what would you say corn now in the dirt water. That's what says all right corn corn corn ear. Yeah Oh wow I mean I am so should we back up and like give you little running start. This has been a great week. We really like headcorn grows in the ground. My father likes to have corncob with butter and cheese. and Oh what the ingredients greetings. So if you're doing a sandwich and your sandwich is chief valid point. You're go into the ingredients. The corn where the Butler we broke we broke hanging. Yeah thank you for that Ryan Start Start. It wasn't that you tone for that high so we were going to the farmer's market. Oh again corn remember this remember. What else are we getting from? The farmers market raspberries ingredient. Raspberry this is just raspberries and corn. Very special STU I I still raspberries raising questions do not this year. The the farmer's record we went to the farmers market we were trying to be environmentally. We woke and we decided that you're going to be friendly. Okay take take the bus together as a group a little bit busy with Saturday. It was in the morning. We're going to the thing and we were on one of the buses here in la seventeen a- and it was very crowded. I was standing. I Ah Kuan in January well defined seats when we pulled up to one one stop while we were writing this little lady. She stood up and I thought she was like getting off the bus. So I US Army Mickey I snagged in there and ask. Let me just like that but if I did. Because it's okay Chris you gotta take what you can in the city exactly selfish place. It turns out she was is just trying to throw her gum wrapper away the little wastebasket beside the driver seat and so she turned around and I was sitting there in her seat. Like an asshole. The question I don't know the ingredients but do we have to break down gum gum wrapper judge rose. No goats. Judge Studies the Piper. I am nine. We need to be the midpoint okay. So now we're GonNa read. I'm I'm pressing the button point possible. I'm good one. Jim Certain Corn Big Mac Support Office depot born. Oh the paper the midpoint middle. I love the tapes so good. Thank you to our producer chance. Chris has been giving a fake name to his coffee shop. Barista for years now. Now today he reached for his drink at the same time as the real person who goes by his alias. That person is T.. Rex Jefferson Duke of Applebee's Nice. He's a good one was omitted by T.. Rex Jefferson Duke of Applebee's Wilson. Diablo thank you. Welcome to the devil weird. I wanted to talk about Wilson. Let it go thank you. We'll okay so here. It is getting. Chris has been getting a fake name to his coffee shop. Barista four years now. Today he reached for his drink at the same time as the real person who goes by his alias. That Person Is T. Rex Jefferson Duke of Applebee's and you give full name all right so we were on the bus on Sundays. Farmers market stolen this lady and and and she was livid living he the and it was really embarrassing. She wouldn't let it go either. You try to apologize and she was like wrong with really. The the only answer was to get off the bus we. We were getting under way or looking away from the. She did take a little bit creepy rude. Because we don't have anything to do with it but we were far away from the farmers market photo. Ready Yeah never photo hang in there little buddy. It was a callback decided. The the next bus is going in the direction of the farmers market was going to be wet coming in five minutes. You'll be called that we say well we should walk home because we are just a couple a couple of blocks from home this whole. Wow you know we ask why so much longer than my favorite places near here so we should probably just. His favorite place is a coffee shop. Coffee ingredients are coffee and water acid coffee beans water coffee. Yeah coffee pending on your coffee water and now once we said we have to say it every time. We say we're boy now that we've said the ingredients of coffee now. We have to get up to me. I think coffee is coffee and water. I'm trying so hard not to say coffee. Exceptions to the Times in you. Why only explain toys off goats called out at the time we are just not giving you people go okay so I didn't hear the royal break here to it okay So we walk into this shop. Schwab this show the shore and and Chris is like this is my favorite place and we totally understood. Why because if you look the walls? We're like completely padded in in in coffee beans goat for go for gopher goat go for for and end and the floor had like scribblings on it. That said meet your potential and there were some. Were somewhere like my favorite podcasts. And so you just look at a book. And it's it's just podcasts. which is the best way to read here a podcast? Yeah last I left Texas over that in this podcast. I meant shop. Upgrade Point spent so much time looking at everything that we were like. We need some some coffee the thing that I think it's time to hear that time. Okay so we want so. We walked up to the counter. And I said let me get this one just because I wanted to pay for it spot and there was a goat working behind the counter. Yeah I'm going to do that. I have to put a goat in uh-huh okay multiple people behind the counter. That's why everybody deep breath. Aw I want the police to go tell chorine Golisano Surrey's desert goat story. Yes so I went up to the counter and the gophers when you are and you guys were kind of shots as I recall I am and I said Oh. Hey I'll have my usual when you guys once. What do you guys want my? I wanted to Careful Chino with milk and ice and coffee the and sugar so much sugar and Pumpkin. I wanted a Pumpkin Frappuccino with Pumpkin and Pumpkin Syrup and Ciro isn't it. We've been over this York cool wishing I was part so I just wanted a cup of water with ice and I get my coffee coffee beans and water black so I got my usual work around. Everyone's really needed big uh-huh stepped away and we sat down and we're kind of like wait. Christly how do they are. They call what they're gonNA call. Just listen for Chris and you were like yeah. No what did you say I'll know when it's the name so I I. They called out the name to rex. Jefferson Duque Obama. And how did they BARISTA call it out. I can do the voice. Your best. Go Uber. So many eggs duke pretty good and we were like could do better. No I'm not I remember. We were in the hell is that and then all of a sudden string and this the I stands up and reaches for this drink which the ingredients of the drink were coffee. Ten being just coffee in there was the usual simultaneously. Grab the Cup and it's worth pointing out. This guy wasn't fats. Jack's when he was it's probably the most intimidating ingredients whereas muscles and then he said he said well this is mining. And then you said well known this mining because you didn't want to bear Barista how did he say he said this is more dame and Chris said no it's my name is. Chris could be now Chris yes you do it yourself and it turns out that T.. Rex Jefferson Duke of Applebee's which is a name that apparently we had been using for years. Here why man shows up. What a coin kaeding same coffee coffee and water shop Little Bloomberg that That you have been using this name forever. Yeah so here's the thing like three or four years ago. Don't you dare that Biden. I have to explain why I've been using this name. This is aggressive is because I was like laugh because I thought of as reason as soon as I read the thing and then I was like okay gives you can get on with the store. Three years ago I walked into order a cup of coffee By by a couple of what it was a different boat in you already gave us a new coat. Sorry crews go is a good goat. I'm saying his new Hugo this go Barista was obviously not go bristow. We know that it's coffee. Place they they they have a program to hire goats who are in need of work it is it is a fun program I in it puts them in a good place. So that they can go to farms and eventually thrive thrive. We wait so they leave the farm to come work in a coffee shop thriving yet. Okay so this other goats name was I. Listened to your chemo. Ema Lifts and mistress of Evil Yeah And it was just one of those things where it was such a grandiose name and such a unique experience if I was to go open say oh and like come on smile. My Name Is T. REX and Jefferson. They said that's a cool name. Like where's that from and I was like. Oh it's normal and she said is it and I said Yeah I mean my last. Name's Jefferson and she said. Oh so like it's a pretty cool name T. Rex Jefferson and I say yeah and like you know I'm the Duke of Applebee's men's just became known there as t rex Jefferson. The Duke of Applebee's. Thank you for the sexual Shendi to wait for the midpoint pause in order to tell us that at one point you told someone your name I told your king a Barista. Name Kirk's Jefferson and if you don't see the value the wonderful story together delightful that so nice can't really come a long way salve those wounds wearing what did you remain fund. It was a jerk. There's going to be people out there who will laughing. Thank you those. Three people. Chris and a crew of scientists have sailed to the edge of the world to finally prove ladders ladder. Thor's wrong after nearly sealing off the edge. Chris shifted the world off its axis and started the next. Ach Checkmate Round Boys. That again reading dead again me. Yes why me because we went around and now it's your turn seven. The second voice read it. We didn't a second Chris in a crew of scientists who sailed to the of the world to finally prove flatter. There's wrong after nearly sailing off the edge. Chris shifted the world off. It's access and started the next Ice Age checkmate round boys. Chris has really we. We had a conversation earlier today where he was saying. He doesn't do voices and Chris so much work. I really have come a long way with your envelope. Opening in your voice work in Bad Oscars for this stuff you probably Deserves an award. I E so where where were we. So T. REX and rex over. Here were cup the same drink and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get there. It was weird. I personally you just need to take a moment. Eat some brownies ingredients Brownie. Mix and eggs. Are we taking a break. Oil and water water water. Let's take a break. So what's going on right now. We were taking a break right. The music music hold music add music. Yeah Oh we. We don't have a sponsor no no. We need one I was like. Is this an ad for Ned. Yeah Hey hey. Hey Dan Fernandez that's an adequate at inception option. Yes yes for an ad for an ad so does that mean that we can get to sponsor us. That's what this space is for making what we want. We want you to reach out with companies that you like and maybe we can reach out to them and see if they'll sponsor episodes company. Just reach out to us directly late. Because we want your money. Sure yeah we also want to promote your name. We're real cool like we give and take our time and we will give you a space and you get to be part of this thing. Yeah becky upset. Yes we're back. Thank you for the Brownie Brownie eggs and milk and water walnuts oil in brownies eating. You just put a handful of walnuts and top of your Brownie ruined. Oh No. That's horrible. Baked you AH adding your own ingredients. Make me a sandwich okay. What I'm asking you to do it okay? Okay Sandwich Radiance. Gluten free breads gross. I know lettuce okay. Tomato okay beef beef patties on jons cheese. Wow Bacon okay at shop all right. Rapper put it in a bag. Put it in Mukalla it. I'm going through Carl's junior drive through sandwich rappers and in-car friend it's actually it's actually anyway. I was going to the end all right so since we've now wasted all of our lives. Time is finite here. We go so this thirty nine thirty seconds. We're all terrified Chris's life because he's on this Super Chris Leading Jefferson. Chris would not let it go and eventually they both like charest. Can't really feel it and it was a paper Cup but this is yeah. Apparently now Caper Cup. Sounds like there was an Oscar for fully they specifically fully it doesn't say Foley Sound Real T.. Rex Jefferson and the fake t rex. Jefferson exploded at this coffee. All over it was the goat burned. The Goat Yorkie had retired to the farm at that point so we the there she had learned to appreciate great. It was fun but so we felt really bad because the coffee flew up into Real T. rex. Jefferson's face coffey water. He was not not and we said. Please don't beat Chris into a bloody pulp. What can we do to make up for it? How did I sound with aggressively? Act at me as well. We're the ones begging for you but we can. Oh how did we sound. Oh US please. Don't please listen. Concered crews are currently this super super. Jack Guy is Super Jacked Act because he actually works on a science ship. Yes everyone retailer take you. Yeah everything now so he just has to sit on the ship and work out well and also be and he said because you got got coffee in his eyes and basically blinded in to help out. He's just recently lost my crew to a bad case of Ebola. Addis which is where you're fall out and you have to your organs. Turn into food ingredients DNA and blood. What's ever night quite so called? Science colitis positive. Chris Oh we got okay Anyway so we all right I guess. In order to save Chris's life will be a your crew on this science we have to be the crew and so again using once again Chris making us do things because they don't WanNa do Donald trump so we all went outside and we waited for the bus. That was actually by the time this all happened. It was the same. Yeah she was on and again going the other way the which is close to the farmers work so we pass the farmer's market on the bus and we went to the Los Angeles large ship ship waiting there for us and so we were like all right. We're going to do this so I've been asked. He wrecks Jefferson. What is the point of this mission? uh-huh and he said it's very very important. We're going to prove once and for all that the earth is flat and I said well don't we already have the evidence for that and he said I don't know he wanted. He wanted to prove its round he wanted to prove the flatter Thurs wrong you by sailing to the edge of the he was confused. Review probably should've read it. He you sail to the edge of the world. If you have forgotten what our point it is let me tell you seriously. Crew of scientists. Oh so now. We're at groups. I have been upgraded have sailed to the edge of the world world to edge of the world is in quotes by the way to finally prove flatter thirds wrong into after nearly sailing off the edge. Chris has shifted the world off. It's access and started the next Ice Age checkmate round boys. Did you say that. Let's say times I'm the worst I got it. So don't you already have the proof that the earth is round. He said this is this is going to be more proof needed needed on video. And so he took out his sword and he said Short applebee's now he didn't sound like I. I Ju Kapil Booze now night you Jenny. And Mickey scientists me the crew of scientists. It's still. He was so angry about to your coffee. Got The lab coats and we got like the clipboards. It was very exciting. Now you were Dame Jenny and we serve knighted. But but yes I was named Johnny. Scientists all hyped. Doctor Dr Tame. That's how you get your PhD down. One News story sailed so good you guys we stay on straight through the waves guys. No good sailor sail the man we sent for we we we attacked act out of we. We all really really Jack because there really is nothing to do this is the best consistently symmetrical Boa. It's always going to be that always so we got After months and months of sailing and working out we got to what we thought was is going to be the curve and we were GonNa go around and go backwards severe where the curve heavy turned out because we kind of like like Truman showed up again dame Maggie Dame Saint Pete because of care. Yeah so we just like chairmanships against the edge of the watch world and if you haven't seen that movie I'm sorry any kind of spoil it literally smashed into into the edge of the world. We we went through it like a wall. 'cause there's a dome that's one flat earth beliefs. There is actually dome. And that's what we crashed in to be crashed into it. Yeah Oh yes yes yes. Yes yes what started spilling out. Yeah we and we edge released me. And Mickey and Kuwa- were like wait science brains and T REX Jefferson. The real one relates Landho- Oh and we turn to the mast to the left masters goes straight up. Turn the Rudder Jenny. I have no idea. Sales calls my brother's Mesa terms. We turn we did not stay off the edge sweeny but I miss fleiss outside. Space started filling in what happens. It's freezing outside. The earth is really heated blankets. And we we were okay. We put like we should have probably used the motor on the way out there it would have made the trip faster. We put them motor into high gear. It it was like it was a massive. What are those? What are those movies is at the end of the world where they're like driving away from the tidal wave but it's it's freezing when you're driving away after tomorrow? It might be that one day. We were sailing as fast as we could away from the freezing mark they were moving away scary scary freezing freezing toward hang off. The front of the boat shabby as far away from the Dolphin popped out. Pros Mini van. I better at the end of the day. It's really we we. We started the next Ice Age Wjr and we have proved the flat Arthur's right in the whole world is still tipping. So I'm sorry everybody yeah throwing the world is in fact sliding slow so fast is frozen water and we just got out of the boat and we. I'm all the way up there but the earth is now slowly. Titanic Titanic and we apologize for mid. I don't really know if we need to apologize for that as much as Chris. It really was because I would just given that woman the seat none of this would I so you just let T. Rex have his coffee for the ones who wanted to go to the farmer's market in the first place to get Cornyn raspberries for Cornyn raspberries I do. We will be releasing cookbook. Very shortly listing all the ingredients that we've mentioned this number so corn water he's Yeah exactly and Oregon and DNA the last episode. Hello Christopher why you okay yes I think crispy get Outta here ingredient. I mean it's it's just Chris you end the war. You need to fix this though. Fix The world tipping on it. Why don't why don't the Duke of Jeff? What are you the Duke of Applebee's go fix okay together? Well I'M GONNA go but in the meantime why don't you guys tell the amazing back story of why he was called Duke of Applebee's okay so by everyone. Sorry for the tell you ooh ooh. I'm sliding T rex. Jackson was born and his mother wrote on his birth certificate. T. Rex Jefferson Duke of Applebee's what he ends story story only one sliding sliding night glued ourselves to are are against it so Hi podcast now. I'm really hungry. Do you want an avocado avocado and Avocado Vaccaro. I would love in Avocado with Avocado Avocado Avocado. And you're cutting back to tell you the thanks for listening to unless they left hosted by Jenny Kurdish. That's me Chris. Quarter making shallow and Cooley Whitman concept by Chris Porter. That's me and chance Welsh record kirk. podcast studio that's your studio recording by Michael Kennedy Editing. 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TPI Replay: Should the United States Do Less Overseas?

The President's Inbox

46:21 min | 1 year ago

TPI Replay: Should the United States Do Less Overseas?

"Hey podcast listeners. This is Gabrielle. Sierra host of the president's inbox sister podcast Wyatt matters. The presidential primaries are heating up and that means voters finally have a chance to start voicing their preference for candidates. That's why were rebroadcasting. The first episode of the President's Inbox election twenty twenty series in it. Jim Lindsey sits down with chew experts to discussed whether the United States should be doing less overseas. The president's inbox will be back with a new episode next week. But in the meantime you can hear Jim. Lindsey and Bob McMahon on the next episode of the world next week as well as our latest episode of why it matters. Welcome to the president's inbox in box. A see if our podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United States. I'm Jim Lindsey directors studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Today's episode is the first I special election. Twenty twenty series election. Day is now one year away the first formal presidential nominating events. The Iowa caucuses for just ninety days away given the election's importance. We'll be doing something different on the president's inbox in the run-up to Iowa each week I will sit down to experts with different views and how the United States should handle handle the foreign policy challenges. It faces each episode in the special series run slightly longer than our standard episodes. We hope that the contending views and extra length and give you a fuller understanding of the issues that way whoever wins next November third. This week's topic is America's role in world affairs with me to discuss whether the United States should scale back its role in the world. There Karen Dawn freed in Christopher Prebble Karen. When is the president of the German Marshall Fund nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting transatlantic cooperation? Karen has previously served as senior director for European Affairs on the staff of the National Security Council and also as a national intelligence officer for Europe on the National Intelligence Council. Thank you for joining me today. Care it's great to be here. Jim Jim Chris's the vice president for defense in Foreign Policy Studies. At the Cato Institute he was a commissioned officer in the US Navy and served aboard the US Ticonderoga from nineteen eighteen. Ninety two nine thousand nine hundred ninety three he is the co-author the recent release book fuel to the fire. How trump made America's broken foreign policy even worse in how we can recover? Thank you for joining me today. Chris Thank you Jim. Christopher Maher I want to start with you I mean you have been writing for a long time on American foreign policy. You've been a critic of what I guess. We could call call the standard practice of American foreign policy. Certainly since the end of the Cold War maybe even longer than that and I guess if you could just sort of sketch out your criticism of how United States is practice foreign policy. Sure thanks Jim. I think that if you look at US foreign policy especially since the end of the Cold War is organized around this principle table of primacy. That was the word that Samuel Huntington use to describe it and that primarily relies on US military power and US security guarantees around world a forward deployed military active military one that uses the power influence of of use of force as its primary instrument of of coercion and influence my concern with this coming from. A sort of libertarian. Perspective is that it is not as effective as other instruments of American power. The United States is an extraordinarily really powerful country. And we've allowed our foreign policy to be defined too much by our ability to kill people and break things to be perfectly honest and and I think that's tragic and I think it's it's ultimately Louis productive than cultural exchange and trade and things like that which is how the United States had through most of its history traditionally exerted influence around the world sort of looking at that I'm wondering when president trump campaigned on his America first foreign policy. Did you see that as acting on your or criticisms of American foreign policy only very superficially the concern that I had all along. Mr Trump has candidate. Was He correctly. Sense that the public was was anxious sus or not entirely bought into foreign policy that had been practice. Sort of in a bipartisan fashion against against since the end of the Cold War but if you parse his comments it wasn't so much that he was opposed to the wars. There's we were fighting those who is opposed to the fact that we weren't winning and so his plan was to fight them harder. It seems to me and I think the clearest indication of that frankly was in the course of the campaign president signed onto onto a massive expansion in the US military arsenal in the entire range of of instruments of military power and that begs. The question is this is a person who actually is intending to draw. Draw down the American military presence overseas use force less often than why on earth would you need a larger military Karen. Let me bring you in here. You have worked in the US government so you head up and leading organizations dedicated to building up the trans-atlantic relationship span in the United States in Europe. When you listen to Chris's Critique of American foreign policy I see? Do you hear a lot there that you disagree with. I think Chris's point that the United States should use all of the tools in its foreign and security policy arsenal. Donald is a compelling one so I would not argue that the. US should rely overwhelmingly on the use of force over and above other instruments of power. When I think about the US throw on the world? I see allies as very helpful to the US in achieving its strategic ambitions. And as I think about about the changes over the past three years it's interesting the prism through which Alice have been seen. I might say that if I were to define the strategic challenges the US faces faces in the twenty first century. How to manage engage with a rising China would be very near the top of my list and when I think about how we look to our allies allies previously? We've tried to engage them in a forward-looking policy toward China. Now you could criticize President Barack Obama for having a strategy that failed. That strategy was negotiating a trans-pacific partnership with our Asian allies and negotiating a transatlantic trade and investment partnership with our European allies. The idea there was to extend a rules. Based order that the Chinese would then need to recede to now. He didn't get either one of those things done. But in my mind that kind of a strategic approach to foreign policy challenge is something I would argue is in our enlightened self interest. Let's drill down on this topic topic about the extent of US involvement overseas. I take your point Chris that you would like to see. The United States rely less on military power rely more on diplomacy clumsy. But I guess the question I would have to is to what end. Where do you see? The United States is adding interest and you're associated with a school of thought that is called the restraint in school. I think I can safely say that sort of lay out for us as you look at the World Coltart me. It's not a matter of tools. Military diplomatic power. But what you conceive of as being being America's interests and how best to advance them right. I think that's exactly the the. US government exists first and foremost to serve the interests of the American people. But that does not mean that those interests conflict with that of many other people around the world in fact frankly most our interest aligned quite well with the rest of the world which is why it seems to me that we should not be approaching these problems as though the United States has to drag the rest of the world along with us. That's the whole restraint notion. We can be more cooperative. We do not always have to be in the lead to solve these problems because the simple fact is there are many other players who are empowered and inclined. Frankly deal with these problems I think the TPP is an excellent example of. It's true bobby. Ministration attempted to establish this multilateral trading system which which are trade department at Cato concluded was unbalanced liberalizing initiative initiative right president trump infamously withdrew from the TPP. Almost one of the very first move. What has happened since the United States left the other parties to the TPP have proceeded along that path and they have extended an invitation? It's an open invitation to the United States you are welcome to rejoin this trading order. Whenever you feel like it in the meantime we're GONNA move down that road? That's a perfect. For example of the extent to which these liberal values especially with respect to trade. Are I think locked in or locking in and you have more empowered actors willing to carry for that principle. Karen unused phrase that certainly popular here in Washington. I'm not sure how popular it is outside. Washington the the liberal international were the rules based order. Is that part of your sort of view of how America should conduct its foreign policy right. It's which rules which ruled we talking about. I think the rules if you go back to the founding of the United Nations and modern certainly national law those critical rules respect for sovereignty non-interference and nonaggression. That's like the organizing foundation of the UN Charter and the United States has sadly violated needed those principles that we are not in a very strong position or not as strong as we could be if we lived by the values that we expect others in the norm that we expect others to adhere to if we were actually upholding those does not consistently than I think we would be stronger position but once again there are other countries around the world that are much more respectful of those norms and values and they are also in a position to uphold pulled that order that order does not exclusively depend upon the United States to carry it forward and again in many respects the United States has inadvertently to be sure undermine that very order order by our actions over the last twenty years caring. I'm curious when you hear people talk about how America should exercise restraint overseas. How do you react if I were as is confident? As Chris that there were other actors in the world who carried the weight in the international system that the United States eight does who were equally committed to this rules based order into the values that Chris put on the table I would add democratic form of government government rule of law right to the individual there lots of other parts of that were order that the United States helped put in place at the end of World War Two then I would maybe be less concerned about the US pursuing a policy of frustration. In the way that Chris outlined it but my concern is that when the US steps back and isn't the standard bearer for these values and doesn't take actions whether using its diplomatic tools or using its military tools to you defend that order we actually see backsliding in lots of places we might not have expected. It and I too applaud the Japanese and other Asian in allies for pursuing the trans-pacific partnership without the US. But I think we have to acknowledge it is had much less of an impact on China than if the US us were part of it. And I think when we look at the European part of the equation we also see that the US not playing the role traditionally additionally played in the relationship with Europe is leading to greater divisions among Europeans. So I think that we can't assume that those those who have been in alliance with the US over the past seventy years are positioned in a way that allows them to carry that. International Liberal order are rules based order forward in the way they were able to do when the US was as engaged in the global system as it had been the word lines is Coupla Blah should have spoken about who our allies should be again. Chris you have written numerous times talking about how allies are essentially means not ends. It's and that it's useful periodically to evaluate your allies are and whether they continue to make sense and I asked us because when I hear people talk about restraint I find it. It'd be a very unsatisfying term because it just means doing less than some unstated standard doesn't necessarily tell me how much less to do or where to be redoing the less so maybe you can sort of get specific. Sure and let's just talk about. We'll start with sort of know. Karen's home turf. I may which is to talk about Europe. Obviously one one of the big changes. After the end of the Cold War was the expansion of NATO when we talk about restraint and your view the United States needs to rely less on military power. What does that mean in terms of NATO expansion or let me start with? I think expansion was a mistake and I think further NATO expansion is a mistake. I would object slightly. Due to Karen's characterization. The United States has changed fundamentally it's approach to the rest of Europe because under Donald Trump to additional members of NATO one has already been added in one is poised to be out of the the the ambassador to NATO celebrated the fact that North Macedonia is likely is soon to be the thirtieth member of the alliance. The United States has not actually drawn back from that alliance. The United States is actually expanded its military presence in Eastern Europe and the United States of course under president trump extended Arms to Ukraine. Something that that's a bad idea because because I think that there were other mechanisms that could have been put into place that the United States actively discouraged especially around European defence a system some of defense based and focused within Europe with the major players in Europe. Sort of being that key driver. Look we have to remember where NATO sort of originated and how different things things are. Today it's one of my favorite lines cliche. What was the object of NATO to keep the Russians out the Americans in and the Germans down right that made sense to a certain extent in in the late forties early fifties maybe even into the nineteen sixties? But is it really in America's best interest to keep the Germans down is it really in Europe's Best I interest to keep the Germans down and I think that this dialogue is particularly important now in the context of President Trump's just utter sneering disdain for Uncle Miracle Article and the German people and the German nation it is offensive to me on so many different levels. And how can any subsequent German leader go to the German people and say disregard that buffoon who was in charge of the United States for some period of time we should continue to rely on the United States of America to be our guarantor as it was for the last seventy years. I think that would be foolish. Frankly on a his or her part and I think it should not surprise us that some European countries are starting to who explore a more independent approach to foreign policy independent of the United States. They call their strategic autonomy. I think is the Buzzword and it's something that they attempted in a very sort of half hearted way I will admit in the early nineteen nineties and the George H W Bush administration and then the Clinton administration very actively discourage those moves actively and aggressively discourage those move. I think that was a mistake. What they chose to do instead was to expand NATO as though that was the only possible framework for European security going forward and they shut down the possibility possibility of an autonomous independent? Your I'm going to refer from your opposition to the expansion of NATO that you would not add Ukraine or Georgia but would you undo NATO or would you stand pat with what we currently again. We have to stop what we're doing now. And it's striking to me. The extent to which the united that'd states does not even debate the addition of new members to NATO. And I think we again we have to start there before we can think seriously about the subsequent what other arrangements could be developed. Because let's be honest. These are not the kinds of things that can be created on the fly. This is something that needs to occur in the context of adult conversation between leaders of of sovereign states aids. And it's not something the United States can do the way the president For example withdrew forces from from Syria with a tweet after a phone call with President. Oh so Karen what do you think capricious argument that NATO expansion was a mistake and we need to stop expanding but we also need a fundamental rethink of NATO. So Chris put a lot on the table and and let me start with the quote. That is quite a famous quote that the purpose of NATO was to keep the Russians out the Americans in the Germans down. I believe it was a Brit who said that word in American and let's I just remind ourselves why the US played the role in in Europe that it did after the end of World War Two so that was a moment when many Americans wanted to stay home and focus on the US. And I run organization the German Marshall Fund the United States that is a living tribute to the Marshall Plan and in one thousand nine forty seven it was very popular in the US. To give lots lots of money to help Europe rebuild their war devastated economies but the reason ultimately the country unified behind this approach was because there was a compelling helling argument made that this was not only an active benevolence it was also very much in the US interest because the economy's if Europe were important trading partners for the US because we were seeing the spread of communism across the European continent. So that's where the term enlightened self interest comes from thinking about those policies we put into place ice and it was also very important to the Americans at the time that we now have backed war in Europe again so Europeans needed to learn. Learn how to live together in peace so it was not a keeping Germany down strategy and if we remember at the time including then West Germany in the the Marshall Plan was deeply contentious on the European cotton and some of our closest European allies thought. It was a really bad idea. Let's fast forward or almost at the thirtieth anniversary of the the fall of the Berlin Wall which led to a process of unification of Germany in roughly one year the US was also the champion of a unified Germany again at a time when some other key European allies like France in the UK or not at all shore they wanted unified Germany. So I I don't want to accept that characterization irritation of why the US supported NATO in the first place. Now the second part of the argument which is what is the role NATO place today and you're absolutely right Chris Chris. The trump administration has been perhaps unexpectedly a champion of further enlargement of NATO and buttressing the military presence in Europe's east. It's hard to make the case that those were necessarily the preferred policies of the president. And I think what you see is how deep and bipartisan the support in the US us is for NATO. You've seen resolutions pass the US Congress with overwhelming support for NATO. So there's a residual sense that this alliance alliance NATO has also served. US interests what would you say. Those are Karen. I mean just sort of the the person Burke Massachusetts Tamoil Iowa what Helena Montana the end of the day this works rows because what because peace on the European continent is fundamentally early in the interest of the United States. That's the first argument that it's twenty. Nineteen and Europe should be whole free and at peace. But it's not an as we saw in Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea that was the sovereign territory of its weaker neighbour Ukraine. That's one of the fundamental principles. Does Chris that you are the. US In the twenty first century is not comfortable. Having Russia's easy illegally that territory of its weaker neighbor and that fundamentally unified Europe at the time. So there's an argument about Europe A and B the. US has very few troops stationed in Europe today. The reason we have about three thousand troops in Germany is not to protect Germany. It's because those forces are forward deployed for other contingencies and I would like to see the. US military used as least frequently as possible. But I do believe there are threats that face. US interests out in the world. So I think we we still do need to have a strong military in our interest to have those troops in some cases forward deployed and ready to work with allies. So that when we engage in a place like Afghanistan Aghanistan we are there. Every single member of NATO has been on the ground with us in Afghanistan since we first engaged so it's both yes yes for the protection of Europe but also for having allies. Who can work with us when we're meeting challenges in other parts of the world a lot of threads they let me try try to pull on on a couple of them? Let me this question of Ukraine and you go back to to what you had said earlier Chris about the United States abiding by values. I used standing up living by agreements it signed onto it in sort of your conception of American foreign policy is Ukraine a place where the United States states should be committing resources diplomatic or otherwise. Or do you view. Ukraine is something which is not of sufficient relevance to America's national national interest. I wouldn't frame it quite in that way Jim I would say that in the case of Ukraine the US interest in a Ukraine. That is holding. Free is not not the same. As the interest to the Europeans but again by virtue of our enveloping the Europeans within this sort of US centered embrace we have undermine their ability and willingness to deal with these challenges. I think in the absence of a NATO or even wear that NATO it existed after the Cold War you might have seen a stronger response. Response by the European countries to what was clearly an annexation in European territory the United States. We have to remember. I mean it's interesting. Karen talks about the importance. Britain's of a Europe that is at peace I completely agree on the United States of course was twice involved in a war in former Yugoslavia at a time when the European allies for a variety of different reasons is chose not to intervene. In the second case the United States recognized the independence of the state of Kosovo in direct violation of what the United States said. We were going to do which you can imagine was not very you know not accepted very well by the Russians among others so there is a problem with the United States undertaking these operations even in Europe and and not doing so in a manner consistent with our values and consistent with liberal norms I look upon the European countries and I look at the way they've approached the problem of Russian interference appearance in their domestic politics Russia's ham fisted attempt to use its control of energy resources to put pressure on the European governments. And things like that. I look at those responses. This is as uncoordinated and sort of looking to the United States to be that person that entity to hold it all together and I say they need something else. They need an alternative. And that's the part that we the United States and especially US administrations have actively discourage one last point during the Cold War. I'm not gonNA argue in any respect against the creation of NATO. I'm not even gonNA argue against the Marshall Plan. I think there are elements of the Marshall. Plan that are sort of exaggerated but on balance it made perfect sense in the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties but the world has changed and the United States is not in a position that it was in the end. You know at the end of the war to an equally important the allies that we helped to get back on their feet through rebuilding and and through the security provided under under NATO are in a much stronger position to act independent of the United. I WANNA follow up on. That candy has obviously Christmas right. In one thousand nine hundred fifty Germany was still flattens back much of Europe. Still flattens back now. You look at Europe. These are some of the wealthiest countries trees in the world. Moreover we would note that to some extent the American security guarantee created what people like to call a moral hazard which is that people realize they could free ride right and I will note that Donald Trump is not the first American President to complain that Europeans aren't paying for their own defense and it goes all the way back in how it does complain about it in the nineteen in John F. Kennedy and his I think his first State of the Union address complained about it as well so it has a long history. I guess I'm sort of left wondering wondering if the Europeans aren't willing to pay for their own security why shouldn't Americans rethink their commitment to NATO even given everything you've just said that is is a completely fair question and many European countries should be spending more on defense but it's important to unpack this as well. So president trump rightly reminds our European allies that in the context of the NATO alliance every single member of NATO has signed up to a guideline that it's been two percent of its GDP on defense and we have more than half of our NATO allies. Who are not doing that? But we have to be careful with this argument to because I've talked to folks in the US military say care and if we broke down. US defense spending we'd find out the US doesn't spend two percent of RTP and defending Europe. We spend a lot on defense but most of that is not on Europe so first. Let's be careful if the US is living up to that. Guideline but secondly defense in spending is of course a critical metric in how capable of military countries can have but there are other important metrics to and Germany is often the poster child of what many Americans he wrong with Europe. They're not spending two percent of their GDP on defense and they've got an enormous trade surplus with the US GonNa hit one point point. Five percent right now Germany's at one point three percent and they are struggling to one point five percent in their next budget. Interestingly Germany spending one point three percent of GDP on on defense is pretty much. What France spends not just simply is worth much smaller? GDP Germany but Germany is not getting nearly the bang for the buck that finances so we he also should care about how Germany spending that money. And why isn't Germany's military. More ready to engage in combat given the large amount of money that actually is going toward it so there are some very important questions about the military readiness and capability of our NATO allies. But they actually spend a on defense they spend a whole lot more than Russia spends on defense so this issue of how they're spending it and why it's not more capable. Military is incredibly important and it comes back. Act to appoint Chris made about the Europeans in a European context. The European Union trying to build up a European defense identity. Wendy increases absolutely right that many Americans have long opposed that they're concerned about the ability of Europeans to act independently of us. And I would agree with Chris that it would be in our interest to support that if it's easier for Europeans to create political will in a European Union context than in a NATO context. We should celebrate that but one last point which is the way we have been pursuing. Our policy recently has heightened the divisions among Europeans. You have the French arguing for strategic autonomy. We can't rely on the US anymore. So we need to double down on building capability you go to Germany and the German say well well. We're not sure what's happening in the. US is a structural change in the way the French. Do we think it's a cyclical change. So we Germans are going to exercise strategic patience because is this alliance with the US is still so important to us. You continue on to Poland and the poll say we polls are all about a strategic embrace of the the United States under Donald Trump because we have a big bad neighbor called Russia. We're not sure the French and the Germans are going to be there when we need them. So we want to double down on the American security guarantee. And that's why we're willing to spend lots of money for US permanent base here and we're even willing to call it for trump so these differences among among Europeans are also important for us to remember. I want to switch geographical regions. I WANNA hop Scotch. And let's talk about Northeast Asia because the Northeast Asia we have military commitments to Japan military commitment to South Korea. Obviously in that part of the world we have the North Koreans which are building what it is increasingly a robust nuclear weapons program. Giving you should talk about restraint Chris. How do you think about that challenge? Well let's start with North Korea because the truth the United States set a military presence in the Pencil of course famously since nineteen fifty but only recently of the North Koreans actually aggressively move forward their nuclear weapons program. And then you have ask the question. Why is that? I think that the United States because it has been and continues to be a threat to North Korea. That is one of the reasons why I don't have you. Don't take my word for it when the United States immediately after Moammar Gaddafi was killed in Libya and Moammar Gaddafi famously handed over his nuclear weapons. They didn't exist. Of course it was like a bunch of drawings and boxes. The North Korean said this will not happen to us. So what is remarkable to me looking sort of surveying nuclear proliferation or more accurately non-proliferation is very very very few countries have been empowered or even inclined to acquire nuclear weapons. And I think that's a great achievement. I think we should celebrate that we should also look at the ones who have chosen to go down that that road and one of the reasons why is precisely because we have not behaved in a restrained fashion. We have consistently communicated a message of non-interference and respect for sovereignty which which is one of the reasons why countries like North Korea won a nuclear weapon. I how do you think about Northeast Asia. Karen realize it's out of area for you. It's one thing that strikes me when I think about the difference in our relationship with take Japan I think our Asian allies are much more comfortable with transactional relationships than no European allies. And when I think about alliance and what that means of course alliance in the first instance is resting on shared values then then second component is common interests. A third very important piece is the trust that you build up over time so that you really believe when I need X. country country. They're going to be there for me and it's interesting. When we talked about NATO earlier we did not mention that the only time article five is ever been? Invoked was to come to the defense of the United States states after the attacks of nine eleven. So it's an irony that we think we're there to protect your but at the end of the day they were there to protect us and I think this has been one of the big challenges in the European context which is maybe less true in Asia which our European are saying. Wait a wrecking ball has taken down our trust in the US security guarantee over the past two and a half years so we're very cautious about what this means going forward and the reliability question is definitely there in the European case in. Chris could maybe speak to whether it's there and the Asian case in the same way. I do think one key difference is president. Trump has been much more outspoken in his criticism of China in his expressing concern over China's rise. Of course famously. His advisors are even more hawkish with respect to China whereas with respect to Russia. It's well let's say complicated. Okay even the national security strategy so routinely lumps together Russia and China the way the president talks. It's clear that he seems much more concerned about China's China's rise than he does about Russia's rise and I think that's the context in which the Asian allies are looking at the United States as a reliable ally are not because in fact if you look at what Donald Donald Trump as citizen was saying even going back to the late nineteen eighties if I were Japanese leader options I'd be I'd be much more concerned about president trump and I think Karen's exactly right. It's a combination. The Nation of a transactional is a willingness sort of meet president trump where he isn't infections. OAB was one of the very first foreign leader to meet president trump and sort of leveraging president trump's anxiety about China in particular to SORTA cement that relationship. It's a little more complicated. In the case of of North and South Korea president trump son opening to reach out out to North Korea again that was facilitated by the South Korean government. That was much more open to that relationship but then sort of raced ahead write with these meetings very high profile meetings and I think there were certainly moments when the South Koreans were wondering if the United States was going to leave them sort of in the lurch so to speak. But I think Karen's absolutely right I think it's a combination of of sort of transactional in willingness to approach the United States. In a in a very sort of clear eyed way but always focused on that big bad enemy or adversary research either. What's interesting to me when I think about these issues from? A transatlantic context is clearly. The trend relationship has been a bit rocky in the recent past and a lot of us. Americans who work on Europe have seen an opportunity to work together on China. Because you've seen a real change in European attitudes attitudes towards China over the past year or two where Europeans have gone from looking at China as a market for European exports to suddenly focusing their attention on the belt and road initiative which is not about Europe going east to sell exports. It's about China coming. West and buying up European strategic infrastructure and the Europeans have taken notice of that with great alarm and clearly the European shares concerns with the US about intellectual property enforced technology transfer work and so there was a sense of China being an area where Americans and Europeans could work much more effectively together than they have in the past. But what we're hearing from Europeans ends is. We're not sure we trust you Americans so we could sign up to a harder edge policy against China but then maybe your president will make a deal with China China and will be the road kill or your president will change and we'll get entirely from analysts. Clear this is not unknown. This did not start with president trump. Right remember when the Obama Obama Administration made I think in retrospect foolish sort of demand that the other countries around the world not participate in the IB and one after the other are you. Our allies ignored Ilana ministration. Was I think really. It was an own goal. It was an own-goal and it was a mistake. It was clearly a mistake and so this did not originate with president trump. I think there is A. It's it's an interesting dynamic playing out cairns absolutely right. There's a growing concern on the part of some European countries on China's role but also not a willingness go as far as the United States will say for example demanding that they exclude Chinese technology in Chinese firms from the five G. Network for example so there is a give and take here that I think is frankly very healthy. Okay I think it reflects that these countries are on a on a case by case basis. Interpreting what their interests are and sometimes aligning aligning with the United States and other times choosing not to slummy ask about China in the context of a policy of restraint. Now always want to be careful because there are a lot of people who argue. They promoting a policy of restraint. It's not clearly all agree so I don't want out love you with anyone but from your perspective Chris if you're thinking about a policy that more emphasis on diplomacy clumsy then on the military that tries to sort of abide more closely to the rules B. L. Right. What does that translate into in terms of dealing with the rise of China China right? I think that the good news in Asia in general is that there are already a number of empowered wealthy or rising powers in the region region who are balancing against China or at least in a position to balance against China importantly however. They don't want to do that necessarily they want to help. China remained remained within this liberal order. Of course we allowed the Chinese invited them into the world trading system. And that's been I think a benefit I am I that does not look back on that decision and conclude that it was a mistake as the trump administration supposedly does so. It's a combination of having within that region group of states that we can rely on to defend their interest interest when challenged but who are also attempting with us to shape China's behavior. So I again I think if you look at it. In a restrained perspective of restraint it is privileging diplomacy privileging trade keeping the military instrument in reserve and not suggesting that the military has no role to play. But not starting with that right it. And I'll give you an example of this. There's been a lot of talk about the militarization various shoals and rocks inside of the South China Sea famously and the and the Chinese have clearly militarize some of these disputed territories Tories which I think is a mistake. Part of the problem courses. The United States is not a party to the law of the Sea Treaty and so is in is not in a stronger position to sort of dispute some of these some of these territorial claims names. But that's the point. These territorial claims are disputed there are multiple claimants to these places and if the United States took a slightly more hands off approach and did not suggest yes to our hands off hands off if the United States did not suggest to our allies even imply to our allies that we would back up their claims irrespective sort of regardless of what the merits are then they might be more inclined to negotiate some sort of reasonable sharing range but most of this has to do with mineral in fishing rights and things like this is not a hard problem problem we've seen in other areas. You believe that the Chinese are willing to share. I believe there are a lot of China experts. You say Chinese have no interest in sharing so long as they do not perceive that the South China Sea is being created as a zone within which the United States will project power into China to deny them access to goods and resources that flow through that area if they if they believe that that waterway would actually be kept free to commerce and not use as a launching pad for military operations operations. I think they would agree to that. Sort of Grainger. Yes I want to talk about. Another country that the United States is designated as a strategic competitor in that as Russia Russia and looking at Russia Karen. How do you assess? I don't WanNa talk. But specifically this administration's policy. But essentially the policy of the last several ever league ministrations in dealing with Russia essentially taking a tough line we have imposed sanctions have been very critical. President Obama famously kicked Russia out of the g seven and after the conquest of Crimea. Is that the right strategy or have we have driven ourselves down in recalled the sack. It's actually really important for us to be talking talking about China and Russia at the same time because the US has identified these as our our competitors and in many ways they're fundamentally different countries and we see eh. China's rise and Chris Rightly mentioned the contest we have over five G. WHO's going to dominate that next phase of tech development. And where do I alice. Let's come down on that and I'm worried in China space. That China isn't so interested in sharing and so when you see the competition whether or not one and wants decoupling I worry were heading there at least in the tech space because China very much wants to see dominate the. US does not. Where will the Europeans go? Will they ultimately go with Ericsson Kia or those too expensive so I worry. Even if not intended were moving down a path on China China that leads us to quite segregated systems and then you get to Russia where the US together with its European allies put sanctions in place after Russia annexed Crimea. And said we're going to stand by our values and if you're not living by these values and you can't come back into the inner circle we're seeing that consensus begin into break. Most recently. It was French president. Ma Cong. WHO said maybe we should be taking another look at Russia and how we're engaging with Russia and try to make peace so this there's another interesting example where I think the? US role is quite important because the US has been a voice for continuing to hold Russia's feet to the fire on not resolving the conflict in Ukraine. In and over Ukraine. I should say Germany has been our key ally on this. I don't think you would see European Union sanctions against Russia without Chancellor Merkel having stiff spine. She's had on this. So I think how this plays out going forward is not clear and I think the role the US plays in this will be extremely consequential and we've seen this battle in the US over policy toward Russia with President Trump's suggesting saying that he is open to resetting the relationship yet again and a very strong bipartisan consensus in Congress. Saying no we're going to continue to be quite I tough on Russia. So it's different than what you see on China where there's today a bipartisan consensus. That includes the president on China. We haven't been tough enough and Democrats no longer believe that economic liberalism Lisa Political Liberalism in the case of China. So it's quite interesting to think about these two great our competitors and how different our our policy. which would you agree that this has gone too? Far this bipartisan concern bordering on something much more about concerned with respect to China has gone too far far. Do you think it is premature to say that. It was a mistake to allow the Chinese to enter into the liberal trading order to actually become a rising power in the Middle Tier middle-income income power. Was that a mistake. I share your concern carrying about the bifurcation of technology. And where would that. where else will that lead? I still believe there is value in keeping heaping China part of this liberal system incentivizing them to behave in ways and again by modeling. Good behavior that might pull them in that direction if the united estates were actually behaving that way. But the message that we're sending for example on wall way is exactly the opposite of that on ask you a question but one of the region world and that's the Middle East. It seems to me as I look across across the political spectrum. There's a fair amount to sentiment in the country in both political parties to reduce America's footprint in the Middle East. It's not new. I think President Obama was trying to reduce that footprint. We can argue about how successful he was or wasn't but as we sort of look at America's role in world what role if any do you see the United States in the Middle East and if it is to do even less. Can you do that without creating other problems. You don't like we have to start with recognition. The United States is created a lot of problems and more so when I talk about the use of force we have to talk about it in the Greater Middle East both Iraq and Afghanistan first and foremost the problems that we are still struggling to deal with now. Eighteen years after nine eleven are at least partly a function of the manner in which we have chosen to fight this war on terror. We we were recording this less than a week after the president has announced the killing of a barbeque dotty yet another president the third successive president celebrating the killing of a terrorist mastermind. Your mind and I think it is not unreasonable for Americans to ask. How much longer is this going to go on? Is this how we're going to deal with this terrorist. Problem is this hour. We're going to deal with the problem. Violent extremism stream is and. I think I've been studying this problem for a long time. If the reason why we are in the Middle East is to deal with the terrorism problem. It is at least possible that the terrorism problem is a function of our being being in the Middle East in the first place and again this goes back to the very origin called blowback problem right. Exactly you know. I'm certainly not the first person to observe that resentment of foreign military presence in these places has been a source of resentment and anger and yes even violence is not excusing violence. It's explain this deep sense of resentment and some of that has blown back on the United States. There's no question about that. So Karen. How do you look at the Middle East particularly since it? It affects Europe even more so much more than it does given the ability people to move as you've already seen with the refugee crisis so let me almost come back to where we started when Chris was explaining what he meant. Ah Policy of restraint and I certainly would sign up to a policy of military straight. I think we always want to be restrained about the US. Military engaging anywhere in the world and to Chris's point that the US in the rule it's played in the Middle East has not always been a force for good. And when I think about my time mini Obama administration clearly President Obama was trying to right size the US scroll in the world that was how he thought about engaging more or less in the Middle East which was the arena that poses problems for him. And when I think about where we are today of course. We're also very shortly after the decision by President trump to no longer support our Kurdish allies in the Syrian border region with Turkey. And what was so striking to me after that decision was made was not only the outcry within in the US but our European allies were in consensus in feeling that that was a bad decision for their security as well but our European allies is also had to admit that they were impotent. In doing anything about that and I think that. US policy in the Middle East is a clear driver. Favor for European governments having to take more seriously this question about needing the ability to act militarily in a way that is independent independent of the US you have different appetites for that in different European countries but there is no question that these policies affect Europe much more immediately dramatically than they affect the US. We saw that so clearly in two thousand fifteen when we saw an influx of refugees and migrants into a Europe because of the ongoing civil war in Syria along with other issues and that influx of refugees and migrants was the trigger for the rise of a liberalist populist parties and the taking off in popularity of those parties in almost every European country. So this is is something that is going to influence how Europeans think about the role. They play going forward and I think they must do that. I have a lot more questions to ask. Ask both of you but we have come to the end of our time. So I'm going to close up this special election. Two Thousand Twenty episode of the President's Inbox. My guests have been Karen Dawn freed president of the German Marshall Fund and Crisp rebel Vice President for Defense and Foreign Policy Studies at the Cato Institute carrying Chris. Thank you for joining me to check. 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#207 Parallelizing computation with Dask

"Where have you could write standard numb pie and pants code? But have it run on a distributed computing grid for incredible parallel processing right from by on. How about displaying the work across multiprocessing to escape the limitations of the Gill right on your local machine. That's what desk was built to do on this absurd. You'll meet Matthew rocklin to talk about its origins. Use cases in a whole bunch of other interesting, topics. This is talk by me episode two hundred seven recorded February twentieth. Two thousand nineteen. Welcome to talk by funding. Our weekly podcast on python. The language the libraries the ecosystem in the personalities. This is your host, Michael Kennedy. Follow me on Twitter. I'm at Kennedy keep up with the show and listen to past episodes at talk by on dot FM and follow the show on Twitter via at talked by phone. 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Please check out the apps and try one of the free courses today. Now, let's talk desk with Matthew. Matthew, welcome to talk by onto me level of listen to Joe law. It's really honored to be here. Thank you for having me. It's one hundred have you as well. You've done so much cool work in the distributed computing space in the data science and computation space. It's gonna be super fun to dig into all that and especially dig into desk, but before we get to that. Of course, let's start with your story. How did you get in a program in a python programming originally, actually, a TI basic calculator silent was in math class plugging along spent my few hours, nothing a good programmer there. She was plus in high school did some Matlab and ideal and C sharp, and college is mentioned jobs science, and then in grad school just tried out on a win I found it was all of those. Things at the same time. So it was it was fun to work in you ought joins mode. Like, the C sharp was fun to do data analytics like with not love. It was fun to do some science worked at shawnee at the time. I deal so as sort of all things all people, but eventually I was in computer science department. I found the python was a good enough language that computer scientists were happy with it. But also usable enough language that actual scientists happy with it. I probably wear python gets a lot of excitement at least on the sort of numeric python side. I think that's a really nice inside. And like a cool way you got into programming. If you like one of python superpowers is it is kind of what I think of is full spectrum language, you can make it what you needed to be at the beginning. But like you said professional developers and scientists can use it as as well. And you kind of touched on that. Right. Like, you can use it like C sharp or you can use it like Matlab or you can kind of be what you needed to be. But if you need more is not like well now, you go right and see plus bus just like will now use these other features. Yeah. Definitely. I'd also say it has a lot of different parts to it like the four. There was like the women community at as us a kind of like bash because this ops community, and there is the scientific community. No, those are all kind of the same. And it's really cool to see all those groups come together and use each other stuff you see people using psych at learn inside of a flask app. Deployed with some other python thing. Right. Yeah. For sure the fact that all the things were around makes it sort of the cool state that it's in today. Yeah. It's just getting better. Right. But it was already good. It's just like connecting all the good parts. Exactly. It's the interconnections are building a little bit stronger across these disciplines, which it's kind of rare. Right. It's not that many languages in ecosystems that happened, right? Like think of swift for IOS, right swift is a pretty cool language. It has some issues that I could take with it. But it's pretty cool. But it's not also used for data science and for DevOps. Right. It's just not. That's pretty cool. Also, you said you did some ideal. At sounds like you're doing a strana me before. Right. There's just an undergrad. I was taking some courses. It was fun though. 'cause I knew how to program, and I'll just briefly productive as a scientist because I was fluent in programming that ability to Belichick more countries with took me away from science and towards computer science, but in service of science so that was my experience. Now, you're building these platforms where like legitimate world-class science happening. Noah's cool. You must be really proud right to think of what people are doing with some of the software. You building your Claverie zealous software that all of us bills. And it's it's definitely very cool. It's very satisfying to have that kind of impact not just in one domain that across demands and you'll get to work with lots of different kinds of people every day that are solving. I think high impact problems. That's definitely a strong performance. I'm sure it is, you know, programming is fun. But it's it's really not fun to work on a project and have nobody use it. But to see it thrive and being used at really gratifying logo. So far of the program is no longer fun. It's just this just the way we get things done and seeing. That's right. It's really we're on the satisfaction comes from. It's cool. So how about today? What do you have to these days? You were put it past. You were doing a lot of stuff within a con to Inc. Previously named continuum but same company, but not recently made a change. Right. Yeah. So I like to say it's the same job just a different employer. So I guess my job today is a few things. I work in the open source numeric python ecosystem, so there's usually like sci-fi replied data, and I mostly think about how that's a some scales out to with multi core machines or with shoulda clusters. I usually do that with a project called dusk. Maybe like the flagship projects that I helped maintain, but I'm just generally active throughout the system. So I talked to the no pie developers depended developers like Jupiter developers. I think about file formats protocols and conventions their view of us know, working noting that lots lots of things. So generally, an in service of the science use cases business cases, tons of things. Go wrong and I attend. Think about whatever it is these good handled. But generally tend to focus on dusk special talk about more today. Yeah. Tiny vet. So speaking of desk. Let's set the stage talk a little bit about, you know, why does desk exist, and so on, and I guess maybe star with a statement that you made at pie Kahn, which I thought was pretty interesting, and he said that python has a strong analytical computation landscape, and it's really really powerful like pandas numb pies. And and so on, but it's mostly focused on single core, computation and importantly, data that fits into ram. You wanna elaborate on that a little sure so everything you just said so all of those libraries so numb Pyan pan is a secular ours. Love today by data scientists because the API's are addressing they want them to do. They seem to be well tailored their use cases. And there was a decently fenced. Right. So they're not written in pure python? The retinas C four trans people's plus siphon, Elvia, whatever. Right. And so much of the interaction is like. I have the data empire on. I just pass it off. Or maybe I don't even have it in python. I have like a numb pie array, which is I pointed to a data down in sea level, which I then pass that off to another part, and then internally down in see cranks on it and gives it back like five like, so it's not it's a whole. I think the whole story around performance and is by on slowest by on fast. Like, it gets really interesting really quick because of those types of things, so we're we have really nice usable python API's, which kind of front data scientists, and that's hitting back end, which is ceaseless fortran code, which is very fast. And that combination is really useful. It was lever is also have like decades of expertise PHD thesis thrown into the just tons of work to make them fit and people seem to like them alone. And it's also not just those packages. There's hundreds of packages on top of no by pen to secular, which do biology or do signals processing do time series forecasting or do whatever as the Ekos. System of thousands of packages, but that code very powerful powerful on a single core usually on that fits in ram. So as big data comes up or as clusters become more available. The whole pilot. Sl pie stock starts to look more and more antiquated. And so the goal that I was working on from reviewers getting to work on is. How do we elevate all of those packages numb pipe pen to secular? But also had depends on them to run well on Shiva machines to run while new architectures to run well on large data sets. How do we sort of refashion ecosystem? That's really hard problem. You know, that's a super hard problem. And it's I think one of the challenges that pie PY PY the Jit compiled alternative to see by on has such. I think that would have really taken off had it not been for. Yes. We can do it this other way. But you have to lose number by or you have to lose this c- library or you lose the speedups for sequel alchemy or what at right, you're trying. To balance. This problem of like, I want to make this distributed in fasten parallel. But it has to come along as is right, right? That we're not going to rise because that's not a feasible project. Right. I mean, theoretically, you could write some alternate number but people trust them pie. And like you said it's got so much polish. It's insane. To try to recreate it says unity, recreated it. There's a lot of weight on it a lot of other packages. Depend on them Pyan very arcane waves, and you would have a hard time reproducing all of those right? Yeah. It's like the ocean trying to motivation of pretty much. Okay. And then so that's the problem is like we have problems that are too big for one machine. We have great libraries that we can run on one machine. How do you take that ecosystem and elevated in a way that's roughly the same API? Right. We had certain things like that. Right. Like spark, for example, is one where you can do kind of distributed computation and there's pie. Yvonne, interactions with spark, right? Yes. Definitely spark is going down that rewrite path. Right. Spark is not using them. Peres the rewriting everything in Scala. But that's just a huge undertaking. Now, they've done a great job. Spark is a fantastic project. If for worse for you should use it. But if you're used dependence it's awkward to move over most good python. Peres doves that I know moved his bark eventually move to Skala eventually give up these they move over. And that makes sense given how things right, but he wanted to say if you're going to work there, you might as well be native in that space. Right. But if you wanted to say is number like there is no sparked on pie, nor is there. A spark Saipan, nor is there a spark time series prediction, everything built on. So spark really handled sort of the the pen does use case to a certain extent, and like a little bit of the secular news case, but there's this other sort of ninety percent ecosystem that's not handled. And that's where desk tends to be a bit more shining. Right. And isn't I don't don't do much with sparks? You'll have to keep me honest here. But isn't spark vary like map, reduce easy? It has a few types of operation. Than pipelines you can build, but you can't just run arbitrary code on. It right, Justin. No. So yes. Underneath the hood, like shoot assistance point of view, spark implements sort of the same attraction has map reduce but as much more efficient, and is much more usable the Amish nicer, so if you do something like a group by vacation that is sort of a mapping a reduction under the hood. And so as long as you stay within the set of algorithms that you can represent well with produce spark a good fit, not everything in this or the pipe out of sight by stack looks like that at turns out, and so we looked at spark early on. Hey, can we sort of used the underlying system to paralyze out by data hazard came out pretty quickly? Now is just not flexible enough. Yeah. And you know, it's I love that this format is audio. But for this little part, I wish we could show some of the pictures that you've had some of your presentations and stuff because the graphs of how all the data flows together, a super super interesting in complicated in sort of self referential on all sorts of really nice. And it's nice that they're built in. Get a good sense of what's going on. Yeah. It's cool. All right. So let's talk about ask you mentioned it. A couple times. Daska is a distributed computation framework focused on paralyzing distributing the data the the the data science stack of python. Right. So let me describe it. Roughly in also ten thousand foot view first, and then we'll dive in a little bit of a ten thousand foot. The Thailand is a desk. Scales? Pied out dascomb designed to paralyse the existing ecosystem fiber is like no pipe pandas us. I could learn either on a single machine scaling up from memory to disk using all of your course, or across a cluster of machines. So that means that you liked pendens you'd like numb pie. You wanna scale is up too, many terabytes of data? You should maybe investigate ask. So that a little bit DASS is kind of two different levels desk at a low level. I that a high level so a level Daska is a generic python library for parallel computing, threading module over like multiprocessing, but just more. There's more sophistication in. There is work more complex. It handles things like pearla like task scheduling load, balancing, deployment resilience node. Fall over the kind of stuff, but using that very general purpose library, we've built up a bunch of libraries that look a lot like pied out equivalents to sort of take dusk and numb pints national together. You get Daska Ray, which is a large scalable ramp limitation faith task in pandas squashing together, you get dust out of frame just as many frames across a cluster, but then sort of give you the same pendens API. So it looks in feels a lot like underlying through normal, libraries, none purpose, but scales out so intimidated, people talk about that they often mean dust data frame or Daska ran the I'd so just to give people a fence. I this when you interact with one of these say Daska, raise it looks like an empire at you, treat it like an empire mostly, but what may actually be happening is you might have ten different machines in a cluster. And on each of those machines, you might have some subset of that data in a true numb pie array or in. That's they know how to coordinate operations. So if you do like, adopt product on that with some other bit configure out the coordination communication across all the different machines in the cluster to compute that answer in a parallel way. But you think of it as like, well, I just do adopt product on this array more good, right? Just like you would number. This is correct Doukas like a very secretary. So all the coordination work dump is while the work on every node that we've heard a lot of Pearl albums around on pie that teach you how to do you a big matrix will play with a lot of small matrix multiplies or the pen decide, you know, a big join a lot of smaller joints. It sounds like a lot of coordination and a challenging problem to do in the jets general solution of that. Yeah. I bet it is a lot of linear, algebra and other types of stuff in there guessing or a lot of panda's work machine. Learning work. Yeah. Yeah. So on point out here that the lower level ask library. They just as that coordination is also used separately from non pine penta. And I'm sure we got that in the future, but sort of this core library details. Parallelism use a for anything. It was just like a few like big uses of it for the major pipeline at libraries. We have desk array, and we have designated frame until an abuser. These really cool. And we said the API is really similar. But there are there's one significant difference. And that is that everything is lazy, right? Like a good. Programmer a shirt so Daska ran out of frame do both do lazy operations as. Yeah. So at the end of your do data frame or to read Parque filter out some rose get outside small results, then called dot compute at the end of that as a method on your data from objects that will then ship off the sort of recipe for your computation off to a scheduler, which will execute that give you back results, probably the Pakistan fron rights. There's two major parts here. One is the data structures that you talked about and the other is the scheduler idea. Right. And those are almost two separate independent things that make up that. Okay. 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I want to dig into the schedulers because there's a lot of interesting stuff going on there. I one thing that I think maybe it might be worth digging into a little bit for folks is this demo that you did at Hikone around working with which you had this question went answers. Like, what is the average or median tip that person gives to a taxi cab driver plotted by time of day, you know, like Friday evening, Monday morning, and so on and so there's a huge data set. Maybe tell people where to get it by this the taxi cab data set for some year, and has got the twenty gigs on disk and sixty gigs in memory now. I have a MAC pro here. That's like all knobs to eleven and that would barely hold a half of that data arizo like even on a like, a high end, computer. It's still like I need something more to run this because I can't load that into memory to refer to that this not by like big data centers pretty soon. All people used ask online terabytes rather twenty gigabytes pretty often, but you're right that it's like it's awkward to run on a single machine. Yeah. You can do a lot of paging. Yeah. It's a pretty easy data set though to run at a conference devil. Just 'cause it's pretty interpreter. Yeah. Yes. Everyone can immediately understand average tip by time of day and day of the week. So as a good demo, maybe talk through briefly here. But I'm Chris we'll look at the pike the pike on twenty seventeen. I think for now put a link to the talk in the show, so in that example, we had a bunch of files living on the Amazon S three or Google cloud storage, rich, Google, cloud storage. And you know, you could use the pendens read CC function to read a bit of those files, but not entire thing. But try to read everything it would it would Philip ramp and pet is just halt. And that's kind of the probably run into and pied out today when we had big data. Everything's great to rented ram bend. You're kind of out of luck. So he's sort of switched out the imports of repentance redux data frame, call the dos data from read sec- function, which has all of the same Cuba arguments who've penetrates his fee, which if you know, Pat. Deserve numerous and serve. Anyone file sort of giving a glob strings. We treat all the files we'd like did normal pandas API stuff. They'd be filtered out some bad rooms or like, some free rides in New York City. We had to remove we made a new column to the tip fraction. We then use pandas daytime functionality I think to group by the hour of the day the day of the week. And if you know pandas API's pretty comfortable to you just the data too big. Yeah. It was the same experience. And is like we switch out the import. We put a star in her filename, treat all the CSV files. We might have asked for a cluster, we might have something that current Denny's or yarn or slur or some other question manager because daas workers that would probably is interpreted. He's that's on Google those showed up so who signed up he was virtual machines. We deployed on that we hit compute. And then all of the machines that are cluster. Went ahead. They probably called little pendens ritzy functions on different ranges in those files. Coming off Google cloud storage. They ended different. Operations. They did some filtering operations on their own. They're probably somewhat related to that. We ask them to do. But a little bit different. They had to communicate between each other. So those genes at different Patato frames to share results back and forth between each other. If one of those machines went down dust had asked for new one or two Iraq over the data that machine had on the very end, we got back appended data frame, and we potted it. And I think I think the punchline for that one is that the tips for like three or four AM or absurdly high. It's like forty percents or something like that. Yeah. Did you have any insight? Why that is to people? No. I mean, the hypothesis that it's, you know, people coming home from pars are they're giving the same at a conference wants someone's like oh filter out all the short rides about it goes away. And so we did that it does spike does go. And so it's probably just. Five dollar cab rides from the bar. And we're looking at tip fraction, which is combat a lot of noise. Right. But it was fun. Because this guy said, hey, try this thing out, and he knew how to do it. He'd never seen dos before you just don't bandits before giving keyboard type into the Panthers commands, and it just works on new insight out of it. And so that's sort of experience shows us that a tool like dust, data frame gives us the ability to Penn is operations to extend our is knowledge, but across a cluster that data set could have been twenty terabytes the same thing would've worked just fine. You would want more machines notify waited or more time one more time. So Dasmal's works on a single machine. Just by using small ram intelligent whiz. Oh, it does. Okay. So it can be more efficient. You could give it a ton of data. But it can realize I can't take it all in one big bite. I gotta eat the elephant sort of us. So if you can run through your computation small ram DASS can usually find a way to do. So. And so that's actually like Daska can be used on clusters has the flashy thing to show to people at pike on talk. But most ask users are using just their, laptops. So for a long time. Actually, just ran on us on single machines for the first year of its life. We both old apparel algorithms, but didn't have a scheduler, and they're people just wanted to sort of stream through their data with Panzer, no pipelines for dealing with hundred data sets on laptops, pretty comfortably. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't realize that. That was a thing. It could do. That's cool. Could it be used in the extreme? Like, if I've got a really small system with not much ram at all. I'm thinking like little IOT things. Could it? Let me process like not big data at like normal data. Unlike a tiny device Upshur depending on how much how much you're looking for. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Interesting that that's a super cool feature. Now. One of the first things that struck me when you ran this like, obviously, you've got all these machines. I think yet thirty two systems with two cores each when you ran the demo and it went really quickly, which is cool. I expected it to come up with a graph. And you could say run it, the que- can't even it locally here it as much, you know, in ten seconds or something. But instead what I saw when you did that was there's like a byu. Beautiful grab live and animated describing the life of your cluster in the computation and like different colors, meaning different things. Can you describe like that diagnostics dial page in two people knew sure I it's hard to describe a picture much like an interactive tash word. But yes, so people took a little bit of like the architecture task. I more clear. Okay. So desk has a bunch of workers at under machines that are doing were Kolding onto data communicating with each other then as a centralized scheduler, which is keeping track of all those workers. This is like the like the format job site. Maybe if all these workers telling them, what to do tell him to share with each other at cetera that Forman that scheduler has a ton of information about what other workers are doing all the tasks that are being run the memory usage that were communications file descriptors that are open in every machine at cetera and in trying to benchmark and profiling debugging oughta dos work, we wanted access to all that information as we built this really nice desk. Board. And so, yeah, it tells you all that information you saw one page at that demo with their like ten or twenty different pages of different sets of information. So there's just a ton of state in the scheduler, and we wanted to expose all that state visually the sense of being brutally designed to the developers and has been critical for users because understanding performances really hard the distributed system. Right. Our understanding of what is fast and slow in a single machine. Could totally turned around when you start adding. Concur access to disk and network communications and everything. So yeah, it's a live dashboard us Bocquet Bocquet server application to build it. So it's got it's updating something like hundred milliseconds frame rates. So it looks live human. I yes, showing you progress is showing you every task that gets done, and when it gets done, and where it gets done is showing you member solid from Sheen's, you can dive in you have to get like line-by-line profiling's discrimination on all of your code move at coordinate across machine so like Vith function is taking this long. But actually, it summing up the profonde cross all the. The cluster. So the scheduler is just aware of everything and the workers are all gathering tons of information. There's tons of diagnostics on that machine. Yes. So maybe we say this is that in order to make good decisions about where to schedule certain tasks diocese have lunch of information about how long previous has taken the current status everywhere. And so we've got a very very good at collecting telemetry, and keeping it it a nice index form on scheduler as have information, we can present to people visually my scenario. I find myself sometimes using dusk. Just computations just because I want the dashboard like I don't want parallel by just want the word. It's just the best profiler. I have it is a good insight into happening. That's super cool. And I love that it's live. So it seems really nice. I was surprised at how polish that part of it was that is awfully just abo- bouquet. If people will people if they like dashboards Kaluga book is over. I didn't know any Java script, I didn't know about. Okay before it was super easy to use. I admitted medication. It was clean. It was nice. It looks polished as you said super cool. Now, you did say that you can run. Ask locally, and there's a lot of advantages to do that as your described, but it's super easy, right? Maybe just describe like it's just a couple of lines set up a little mini cluster running on your system. Right. So even these that, but yes, so she do from DASA first of all do Pippa stole desk or contents tall desk to python library python. You would then if you want the local cluster experience with the dashboard, and everything you save from DASA should import client credit clients, which arguments it would create for you like if you work on your local machine in scheduler locally. And then all of our desk were just run on that you'll so don't need to do that you can just import desk. There's a thread pool waiting for you for anything up. So a lot of people don't use distributed part of task that is used ask locally and asking operate just as a normal library. It's been the thread pool runs or competitions there and you're done. So there's no actual setup you need to do. Right. There was a great tweets that maybe a few weeks ago. Someone who's using the x Ray. Abry x rays a popular refer computing in life the geoscience world. So it says like someone who's recommending extra and ask on Twitter and someone says, yeah, I've heard about x Ray user time. It's great never heard of dusk though, than what you're talking about. I was hilarious because x Ray uses Daska under the hood the guy had just never realized that he was using desk. And so that's a real success point. Yeah. If you don't have to poke your head up in like make it really hard and obvious that the thing is part of it. Right. That's straight task disappeared into being just infrastructure. Yeah. So another thing that I thought was a Super Bowl feature about this is you were talking about some kind of forking with a really big tree of data. Right. And you start processing it in. It's going. Okay. But it's going so much lowly in it's alive talk with not that much time. She like, all right. Well, let's add some more workers to it. And while the computation is running you add like ten more workers or something energised on your cool, Boca graph in everything you see it ramp up and take off. And so you can. Dynamically add and remove these workers to the cluster, right? Yeah. Definitely so desk is all the things you'd expect from any modern distributed system hells resilience handles dynamically, adding things you can deploy it on a common job scheduler. So does sort of all the things you'd expect something like spark momentum before tons of flow or flaying Kerr any of this popular Asra systems today, but it has sort of just those things sprinkle in that magical dust into existing projects, and that's really the benefit de. So we focus a lot on. How do we add clusters efficiently? Brad workers to a cluster dynamically seems really useful. Just as you more work. You just throw it in. I'm guessing these clusters can be long lived things in different jobs can come and go, and are they typically setup for like research groups or other people in longer term situations are they like sprung up out of coober Nettie like burst into the cloud. And then go away, I'm gonna say both actually, so we'll often sees other kinds of toossion which will have something like communities or yarn or slurp and. They'll give their users access to spin up these clusters. So that analysts will sit down the desk. Open up her notebook. They'll import dusk us one of the desks. Deployment solutions to ask for communities. Daas cluster than like their own little scheduler workers will be created on that machine on that cluster. We'll do some work for our or so L go away. And that cluster will go away. What's IT really likes about the sort of adding an roofing workers is that can add move workers during their computation so previously. They'd go into the cluster that has for hail one hundred machines they use the machines for like a minute a little their data started plot for an hour. That's not so much. The ability to add new workers is the ability to remove those workers up being used was really good utilization. You can sport a lot more people who have really burst e workloads Salata data. Scientists out of scientists their analysis is very burst. -i do a bunch of work and they start their screen for half an hour that much more work. They started the screen for half an hour. And so that's what it dynamism is really helpful in those sorts of these cases. Yeah, I can imagine that. That's super cool. Now, we talked about the data frame and Daska Ray. And those being basically exact parallels of the numb and pandas version. But another thing that you can do as you can work in a more general purpose way with distinct called a delayed in a compute, right? Which will let you take more arbitrary python code in fan it out in this way. Right. So let me first at a disclaimer data fame. We are not exactly like, no pied peppers. That is very close close enough. You'll be fun. Similar okay. Fell say that people will yell at me afterwards. So yeah. So the criminal Tasse late is actually really interesting. So we I built dusk. You're aiming for something that was spark like like, we're going to build this like various Pacific system to present on Pyan Perlas does nettle handle everything. Everyone's will help those things that did not being the case. Some people definitely wanted Pearl Peres Berlin pie. But a lot of people said, yeah, I use no pipe pandas. But I don't want a big by pendants. If you say, something, that's. Like, really different really customer bespoke. And they wanted something else as though we had built like a relief fast car and is a great as a beautiful car. I actually just want the engine because I'm building a rocket ship. I believe submarine rambling like trying to catch something. It turns out that like in the python space people build like really diverse things like python developers are on the forefront. They're doing new things they're not solving the same classic intelligent palm over and over. Again. They're willing things that are new. And so does delayed was like a really lowly BI where they could build out their own task grants appello computations through one chunk at a time using python for loops so allows you to build really customer, the complex systems with normal looking python code, but still all the parallels in the daas can provide the dashboards the resilience you can build your own system in that my. Yeah, you've been have the the graph in the dashboard, if you fed, which is is really cool. I love it. So when I saw that I was thinking, well, this is really in. Interesting in. I see how that lets me solve a more general numerical problem. Could I solve other things with it? Right. Like suppose, I have some interesting website that needs better performance. I've got some it has really nothing at all to do with computation, maybe talk to databases or other things, right? Could high put a desk back end on like high-performance website and get it to to you know, bizarre cluster computations to go faster, or is it really more focused on just data sunset so people would use dusk. In that setting the same way, they might use like multiprocessing pool or afraid pool with a store or celery. Maybe but it was guilt across channels ter-. So douse satisfies like the craters interface diffuse concurrent futures. I'd also does isn't waste of. So we will definitely integrated into systems like what you're talking about think at UC Berkeley that putted called cesium. The does something like that. I gave a talk at pike Gotham like a year or two ago. It also talked about that like people definitely integrate dusk into more web. He kinds of systems is not accelerating. The web server is just exceleron this Titians of the web servers hosting. It's useful because it has like a millisecond agencies and scales out really nicely and is like very python. Ick. It fits all the python as you'd expect. And the fact that it implements a think in a way to super cool if you but something like Santa Claus or court one of these eighth think enabled web frameworks. It's just a line await some execution and the skill -bility. You know, spreads. Maybe just ask Cooper, Netease, cluster or something. That's that's pretty awesome. You talked about the latency. And I was pretty impressed with how those were working you were quoting some really good times. And actually said that's one of the reasons you created your own scheduler, and you didn't just try to piggyback on spark is 'cause you needed extremely low latency because it's it's kinda chatty. Right. If I'm gonna take the dot product of a thing that's all over the place. They've got a coordinate quite a bit back and forth. Right. That can't be too bad. So sparked actually internally has okay latency used today. It didn't at the time. But they're also sort of the millisecond Ray. Inge respectful on is complexity. They don't handle sort of arbitrary task graphs through the other side of that this is like airflow Luigi and celery, which can do more arbitrary task graphs. You can say, you know, download this particular file, and if it works, then, you know, this person, or if it doesn't work part of the thing you can build these these dependencies into airflow decelerating or those things fall down is that they don't have good inter task communication. You can't easily say about these two different penatta frames different machines haven't talked to each other that I don't handle that. They also have long lane sees in sort of a like tens hundreds of milliseconds, which can be right, which is not that long. But when you amplify it across a thousand times, and all of a sudden, it's huge or win your independence competitions take twenty milliseconds or one millisecond they wanna do billionaire than some that Lindsey does become a big issue. So we need to sort of the scale ability informants spark, but with this sort of flexibility of airflow, Luigi celery. That's sort of weird desk is sort of that that mixed between those two camps. 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I was really impressed with the low latency that you guys are able to achieve into maybe that's a good way to segment over to some of the internal implementations. You talked about using Jeevan tornado. What are you? What are some of the internal pieces that are at work there. Yeah. So on the distributed system, we use tornado for currency is because we're putting both on two and three at the time us a more as in Cayo friendly. That's sorta becoming more common such native for currency also tornado a little bit for TCP communications Aleve had to like improve tornadoes bandwidth to for computers. That's go through a tornado gotten a little bit better. Because you guys have been pushing it to the moment. So at good touches a ton of ecosystem as though DASS developers sending it pretty comfortable with lots of other projects so Antoine. True used to work on a lot. He did a lot of the networking stuff in python. And he also worked on tornado did lots of things. So he was handling that trade currency and t speak communication. So all the deaths workers are TCP serve. Hours of that connects to each other. So it was kind of like a peer to peer application a bunch of just bra basic python. Data structures for internal state just because those are the fastest. We can find the python dictionaries actually like a pretty efficient data structure. So that's what we had the most the internal logic. And then you've for computation if you're using data frame raising Penn is for computation using desperate buy for computation. So we definitely build those things. And then, you know, compression, libraries, encryption libraries Cooper, Netease, libraries, there's sort of a abroad set of things we ended up having to touch. I can't imagine is the cluster doing like ATS or other types of cryptic, communication and stuff. Like that between the workers in the supervisor. Yeah. So it should be it should be sort of too slow for us and use TCP. Okay. Dass us support Teela out of the box or as L you might notice. But the comms are also plausible Brexit looking at rhino. A high performance networking liberal UCS to do like, infanta, bad and other stuff security is standard of that way, swimming. You're happy with Phelan's. Yeah. I suspect most people are until the quantum. Computers, break it and the ways from calms are extensible. We kinda we cannot something else. Yeah. I suspect we're going to be scrambling to solve the banking problem in ecommerce from faster. I though that'll be where the real fear in the panic will be but luckily that's not here yet. So she sounds like you guys are really pushing the limits of so much of these technologies which sounds like it must be a lot of fun to work on. It's been a wild ride. I can imagine that it's actually been interesting also building like conventions and protocols on the community. I think that's interesting spot because we do talk to everybody like we talked to most disciplines we talked banking, and we talked to fortune five hundred companies, and we see all kind of the same problems. So I think like recently put together people on like file formats, not because I care deeply about file formats because I had talked to all of them will to all different labour, developers as seem to see, you know. Okay, tornado four point five. Are we ready to drop it or not for example? And we talked the book developers Jupiter developers Saddam to the tornado developers. That's. A well integrated project into the ecosystem on like hang there from and to because again daas was designed to affect an ecosystem ecosystem forward actually has like it's sorta tendrils into lots of different community groups, and that's been really fun thing to see sort of non technological side on a social side. It's been it's been very satisfying. And very interesting to see all these different groups work together. Yeah. I can imagine you get with nudge the library developers on all the different parts of the ecosystem. But you're also on the other side of the scientists and the data scientists in people's really problems, right? You'd be amazed. How often like climate scientists and quantitative traders said exactly the same problems? You know, that's something. I noticed doing professional training for ten years. You know, I taught a class at Edwards Air Force base. I taught one at a hedge fund in New York, and I taught one at a startup in San Francisco in like eighty percent. That's the same. It's all the same. Right. Like, it's good computation. It's our go thinking, it's it's like distributed systems. And then there's the special. Sausage. Probably. I don't even understand anyway. Right. But it's super interesting to realize that how similar these different disciplines can be and for opus. We're standpoint this is new because previously all this all those domains had a very different technology stack. Now, all using the same technology stack. And so as a person who sort of is pay to think about software, but also cares about advising humidity was like really nice opportunity where it can take all this money from these contractors Bill technology than apply that technology to to Nomex or something right or climate science or something that really needs to get it right quickly. That's sort of a nice opportunity that we have right now, especially in python. I think that we can hire a bunch of people to do a bunch of good work. That advances humanity also helps people rich makes people get rich thing the stock market. But you know, let that happen. Hey, yeah. If they're helping drive it forward, you know, it might be okay. Sure for the good maybe debatable. But probably it sounds like such a cool project. Now, maybe that's. Talk a little bit more human side of it. Like, obviously, you work a lot on it as you said. But who else like are there a lot of people that maintained ask or what's the story there for a while within within continuum, or what is now Coletta content as went to other engineers with Anaconda who also work on ask they do sort of halftime something else and halftime work on dance. Are they still definitely people? Like, Jim Chris tamales burger dreads and others throughout the company as yeah, they'll maintain various parts of the project or push it forward. So like Jim recently from working on making desk easier to ploy on duper spark systems using yarn. And that's something that is important for business as it also just general useful for people. So there's a sort of nice overlap between help out your first project and also getting paid to do the outside of a condo. So I'm not Invidia. There's a growing group at video who's also working on us predict citing there's a bunch of other people who are working you and other research labs or other companies who need to use dance for the work at digital build out. You know, the Cooper Netease connection or something like that? And they maintain that both because it's. Good for their company. Also that is sort of enjoy doing them so say in sort of the prefer of Dansk, most of the work is happening in other in other companies other people others, you know, hundreds of people who do work on desk at any given month or two he's probably a lot of people that make like one or two little contributions to like fix their education, but it all adds up. Right. There's there's also maybe like twenty or thirty people who are maintaining not just being fixed, but like maintaining some dusk food package. So there is like there's a researcher Alastair miles who works in the Oxford area who were on genomics processing, and he has like a desk enabled genomics sweet call cycle Lille as that's his job ran. So he's working on that day today. There's the secular developers maintain the desks like Hitler learn connection through Joplin. So vague Rozelle has commit rights overall desk is a main cyclone contributor. So there's a bunch of sort of expands out into the rest of the system that it's sort of being the opted by many, many smaller. Groups who are in other institutions to Jones to me like there might be some decent opportunities for folks to contribute, preferably to Daska in the sense that you know, maybe there's somebody that's doing some kind of research in their library or something like it would really benefit from having a desk level version of that. So people are looking to contribute to open source and the design space or you guys looking for that kind of stuff definitely have to look these people are just doing what I was. There's probably remember demand you're in. There's probably some group that's already thinking about how to use dusk in that space and jump onto that group. There's a lot of sort of like low hanging fruit right now pick your favorite putter library think about how it could scale as probably some small effort around that currently. And there's a lot of you know, if you like into open source. It's a great place to be Gillette right on the very exciting edge of big data at scale ability. Things are pretty easy today. We saw a lot of the like the major issues by sort of the core projects like no, pint pens. Learn so yeah, there's a ton of ton of pretty exciting work. That's like just starting to pick up now. So yeah, I his sources great places starting it seems like there's so many data science libraries that there's probably a lot of opportunity to like bring some of them into the fold pretty alot Hanford there. So let me ask you some kind of how wild is that type of thing? One is what's the biggest cluster you've ever seen? It read on the biggest I've had or heard about running as a thousand machines is probably the biggest that have seen. That's probably like with an order of magnitude of limits today booze machines are big machines that like thirty cores on them. Yeah. Like that's also just mostly for benchmarking like most problems, aren't that? Big right thousands. That's awesome. I think it'd places like Sern that have their big grid computing staff and things like that. They they could potentially spin up something pretty incredible daas gets us off house held a friend. Number supercomputers today. But is in Burma, I rarely used on the entire supercomputer. There's really no system outside of MPI that I would expect to run on the full like Sern federated grid. So most of the sort of data store innocence or into libraries end up sort of maxing out around thousand machines. I mean, hypothetically could go higher, but the overheads will be enough to kill you. Did it have a sort of a like how many people's hands you have to shake to shake his hand in a grouping like that, in fact, to'real type of issue as you add more to get like harder and harder to add the next worker to the cluster, or is it, okay? Now, it's fine. Everything's letting trusted number four cours workers. Right. It's not like a mesh grid. Its workers talked to the scheduled final who the heck the talk to build on peer to peer talk to those people. But in any given computation you only talk to like you'll five to ten people at once. Okay. It's fine. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. The other one is with the coolest thing that you seen computer to run on ask built with that. I'm gonna say was his can't talk about about them. The most of the ones are. Pence you projects this is actually my most recent K Taikang talking twenty teen play but other people's work so pendulous pretty cool you as much of earth, scientists would win climate change meteorology hydrology figuring out the earth, and they have these hundred terabyte PETA byte arrays of they're trying to work with PETA bites Gillian, and yes, they usually set up something like Jupiter hub on either a supercomputer or on the cloud needs. They then analyze tens or hundred terabytes of data with x Ray or dust ran to the and get out, you know, nice plots the show that indeed sea levels rising. I think it's pretty cool in that. It's good community of people. So there's like a bunch of different groups NASA, universities USGS, you came out office. Anyone who's looking at large amounts of data companies plant, lobs, etc. So good community there like figuring out how to store one copy of the data in the cloud. And then everyone computer, we don't these include acknowledges that communities there. Inventing cool technologies. Like, how do we store raised in the cloud? Maybe a good effort the cool computation like from perspective. It's actually pretty like vanilla. But it's cool to see a scientific domain advance in a significant way using some of these newer technologies like she better hub and ask companies and legislate repeat it, so they do the same thing with medical imaging and with genomics. So that's like cool example. It's not so much technical situation. It's a community situation. Yeah. It sounds like a cooler temple that could be just replicated across verticals deferential starting to see that. Which is really exciting. Okay. Great. So when I was looking into Daska rain across some other libraries that are like kinda like you described ask FU. So there was death Khuda Basque m-l DASS coober Nettie. Do you want to talk a row, low briefly about some of those types shirts, and why you might reverse order so Daska Pretis is alive library that helps you deploy daas clusters on communities. So you pointed at like like a coober netties cluster, and you say. Go forth in use that and it could just create the pods and run them in all secretes falls for the workers advantages those pods. If you ask there's like little buttons hazardous scale up or scale down, and it'll manage all that stuff you using the communities API to presents users with like a super simple interface notebook can just sort of play around. So so that does it has peers like task yarn for spark clusters and ask job cue for more high, performance computing, schedulers like slur PBS s she also half societas communities cycle. The deployment side Dansk anelle is an effort to through a lot of sort of interesting ways of using DASS with she learned algorithms things like G Len's us their models extra boost cycler and the all different technical approaches. Dascomb L is like a almost like a Namespace library that collects all together, but also using the Lawrence style API's. So if you like second learn and you want to scale across a cluster, either with simple things like high providence searches or with large data things like who. Russian or actually boost could ask annot that'll help you do that. Dansk Kuda is a new Hesseltine with sesame twin video people using DASS with GPS for a long time. They've developed like a bunch of weird wonky scripts to like set things up just the right way. The rotunda don't wanna showed up. It's just a few like nice convenient python ways to set up DASS to run on either one machine of many GPU's or on a cluster of machines with lots of GP's and how to make that easy. So it's kinda like ask humanities in that. It's about deployment. But it's more focused on deploying around us, and there are some intricacies to doing that. While imagine you can scale like crazy if you put the right right number GP us on a on a bunch of machines and let it go. Doj EPA actually pretty pretty game changing. It's fun. Yeah. It's kind of near the limits of human understanding to think about how much computation per second happens on GPO. I think CPA's are also well beyond the limits of human understanding for this is like. Like the galaxy versus the universe. You know? Like sure they're both outside of our understand. I should like Mitch that I worked for NVIDIA now. So please let trust anything I say, but yeah, GP's are like fundamentally like a game changer in terms of computation like you can get a couple orders of magnitude performance increase out of the same power which made from a science perspective. Like house opportunities unlock some things that we couldn't do before. GP's? Also, a tortoise the hard to program, which is why most scientists don't use them. And so that's sort of part of why working in video today. They're building out a GPS data science stock and using NASCAR allies around. And so it's fun to see twin both sort of grow tasked with video out of the large company. Find it Bill social science perspective. Like, I think we can do some good work to improve accessibility to different kinds of hardware like abuse use that might dramatically change, the kinds of problems that we can solve which is exciting in different ways, very credible. And I would much rather see GP cycle spin on that than on cryptocurrency. Sure. Although crypto currency. Is good for Invidia? I know the GP the governor's cards makers, they don't seem as useful as like solving science problems on him. All right. We're getting close to that our time that we have left so I'll s used a couple of questions for rep it up. So we talked about where desk is like, where's it going? Sounds like there's a lot of headroom for it to grow an in videos invested in it by sort of this work that you all are doing. It sounds like they're also building something amazing. So, yeah, what's what's next video aside? From also that dusk technologically sort of done the corvette, plenty of bugs planted features. We can add, but we're sort of athletic incremental advancement stage. I would say where I'm seeing a lot of change right now is in broadening it out to other demands. Mentioned pens you with a little bit before a good example of dusk spreading out, and solving particular demands problem I received I think a lot more of that. So I think we'll see a lot more social growth and a lot more applications new demands, that's really what I'm predict cited about this school. So it was like death is basically ready, but there's all these other. Of the co system that could now I build on it and really amp up with her doing. Let's go tackle those. Let's go look at your Nomex. Yeah. For sure the Jing. Let's go look at medicine. Let's go look at all the parts of the world that need competition on the large scale. But that like didn't obviously fit into this sort of spark dupe or tensor flow regime, and asked to this more general can probably handle those things a lot better. It's amazing. I guess let me ask you one more question before we ended up real quick. So Daska is asked one hundred percent python. The core parts yet were near near. Yes. You probably also using them pendens, which are not python which have right as we discussed. But yet ask itself is price on. I think it's really interesting because you think it is like really high performance computing sort of core. Right. And it's it's not written in go or see. But it's written in python. And I just think that's an interesting observation right on is actually not that bad when it comes to like core. Data structure manipulation to people's lists dictionaries factor too. Two fives lower about hundred times lower as another better networking like it. Does that decently will socially the fact that python had both data science stack at a networking stack? In the same language made us for the obvious right choice that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years, we do rewrite the corporates cbo's plus or something, but we'll see sure eventually when he's kind of finally baked and you're looking for that extra twenty thirty percent here there. It will see we haven't yet reached the point where it's huge public to most people, but the climate has people do have pet about a raise. And sometimes it's their does become a bottleneck there. Right. It's cool. It's interesting. So final question if you're gonna write some python code editor. I use them not for any particular reason. I just showed a pure lab one day and said, how do I use Lennox and the guy that was vim users? I am also of him user. I think I haven't moved off just because I'm so often on other machines. So like rich editors just don't move over as easily. Yeah, I'm on the cholesterol. I need to edit something it doesn't work to fire up high time into that so easily right so VIN for now. But not religiously just anecdotally sounds good. Yeah. I'm sure you do some stuff with Jupiter notebooks as well renowned. Then sure we've put a plug in for Jupiter loud. I think everyone should switch notebook to Jupiter. Lob, especially if you're running desk all dashboards instead, you put allow really nicely. It's really nice. If our oh, yeah. I thought the part in notable pipe package. I'll go through pip install Daska out. The shirley. So no, Sheila Vickerman enlisted few. I in in a theme of the dump highs space a really dump is expanding beyond just enough I've magician. So there is coupon which is an online petition on the GPO. There's sparse which has no place mutation with sparse arrays and there's aura which is a new daytime deep for. No. By the all of these were built on the API were built outside of Nepal. Kind of heterogeneity something we're going to move towards the future. And so it's cool to see dump I developed protocols conventions that allow that kind of experimentation as we'll see people picking that up and building things around it. So that's been exciting. Those are great picks. It's cool that I learned one API in now, I can do other things. Right. Like, I know how to do the numb pie theft or now I can do it on a GPO or a gunman pike owed. I want a better day times. I get his add this new library. It's the almond code works because that's sort of sensibility. Which is something that we need. I think going forward. Yeah. Absolutely. 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Episode 236: Lauren Akins

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Episode 236: Lauren Akins

"France, welcome to another episode of that Sounds Fun. I'm your host Anne. F down. So happy to be here with you today what a fine Monday aren't even ready. The music in the background is from our good Buddy Ryan O'Neal also sleeping at last, and this is Graham seven song. Make sure you check out the whole series. Hey, just want to remind you that we have a new. podcast on that sounds fun podcast network the stories from one hundred days to brave. It is ten stories of women doing really brave things I think you're gonNA love him on every episode telling you about our friends that I want to introduce you to. So I think you'll love the show head on over to spotify and look up stories from one hundred days. Brave I think you're gonNA. Love Love. Love these stories especially as you re days to brave for one hundred as to brave two, thousand twenty and trying to stay stay in it. Today one hundred. This is great encouragement today on the show is one of the most requested friends of mine ever y'all just really want to hear from more naked I get it. She's the Best Yard GonNa Fall More in love than. You think is capable today when you're hearing from Lawrence, her new book, Live and love growing together through lives. Changes is absolutely great y'all it's really great. You'll hear Lauren, and I talk about in the show the book is beautiful. There's tons of pictures in it. I think you're gonNA, love but the words are really special to. So here's my conversation with our good friend and author Lorne Akins. The world should not trust me to start my own podcast recording because I'm always. I've got. You got me going okay hey. Cities are having me I need you to know that probably this is not an exaggeration we every February, we do an entire series of couples and you and Thomas. Rhett. Are The number one requested couple in February's what yes people all want to hear you and Thomas Rhett. So we're GONNA have to work that out one of these years. All right. Well, now we're here for you. Get it done. We do everything together as a couple. So might as well, right okay. So I'm going to read you a quote from your own book the why wanted to start with this because I thought this was so interesting you say this in the intro you said, and the public's expectations of us and their imaginations about US reached new peaks I mean, are you dealing with that all the time what people think you and Thomas Rhett like? Yeah. You know we're still going through it. I feel like I thought it would kinda wear off after a while and I get used to it and It would just become a normal thing and it just doesn't at least not for me. Yeah. But it's our life. So I guess it's becoming like a new normal but it never just like normalizes that makes sense like it still feels weird but I guess. I'm used to it always feeling weird. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean you, you don't know another adult life. Then the one where you're married to a country music celebrity star. Yeah, it's definitely not the way I envisioned my life going. Actually, it's the complete opposite it just it's so not my. Personality that. That's not what I'm drawn to is anything spotlight, which is hilarious because I have a book coming out. A just. I don't really like the spotlight but I totally do please let me write a book that everyone's GonNa read. I mean, I don't know honestly every day I wake up I'm like, wow was that a good decision? Well, I don't know I guess we'll figure it out. I think that that actually speaks to where a lot of people are Lauren because a lot of people think that they're going to know the exact right thing to do before they do it. Oh, for sure. Yeah. My entire life is taking a step when I can't see the next step after really. Yeah. It's kind of that's become a theme of my life and I do feel like throughout the Book A. Show that that you know when I felt like I always say this but I feel like when the Lord opens a door. I challenged myself like my motto is when he opens the door just to walk through it regardless of how far or not I can see in front of me and That is definitely how this whole book process has been by. That was not something I ever dreamed of doing and was talked into it a little bit on alley and and just I mean jumping into the music industry in. Our entire life, the adoption process kids like. All of it. All of it was just like I felt like I was blindly walking which honestly take so much pressure off really tell me why because I just felt like I finally at haven't learned it as probably well as I could have gone out ensured have by now but it is teaching me he's teaching me that he's in control in truly like. I really am a control freak. So it's hilarious that say that I feel like. I just take steps in. And whether or not I can see the next one ahead of me because control freaks tend to not do things like that. But I just feel like it's always the best outcome when I. Just do it I mean if he's calling me somewhere or to do something or to say something he's always cooking that next stepping stone if you will right in front of me right before my next foot lands. Yeah. Makes Sense. Yes my gosh I can see the picture in my head. Yeah. It's Following him that way has truly been. That's how my life has bloomed into what it is into into my family into. Our careers and Into the fan base have that is still so crazy to me in still makes me uncomfortable sometimes. Like over two million people instagram it's a really. Time not cool like, Hey, I've got two million people that follow me but like. I mean cool in a way that like when I go to Thomas Rhett shows in meet people out or even if I'm just in like a random city in see somebody in a grocery store and they're like Oh my goodness are you lauren? It's at first. It was like Oh my word they see me they see me and now I've met so many fun in amazing people all over the world truly that it's like, wow I, feel like because of this social media thing, I'm able to have such a large community even though it's not all the time to a street but when I do get to meet people and in here how they can relate on even if it's just some dumb instagram post about being a mom or like today was hard because of this or whatever, and they're like Oh, my word that totally spoke to me because this happened to me. Last year Blah Blah Blah in right as I was going through, you had posted that I can't tell you how many stories of people just talking. And they will just open up their heart Jimmy right there in the AL wherever we are and it's just like their long lost friends that I hadn't been able to meet face to face yet or something, and it just turned into like a really beautiful community in affiliate act can almost draw Mama strength from that in the people who can I can just feel their love and support of me and Thomas Rhett in girls, and even just our extended family. How much people love us in in? It's such a sweet. Sweet and it's so unexpected. I guess I guess it wouldn't have to be that way. I'm sure you know there are some people who don't love us that way, but it just feels like a friend. It feels like when I see my girlfriend's from college and and we just we love each other. So I'd try ought to. In a weird way. Love them back even though I'm not able to always see them face to face another names but I, feel like this book has kind of turned into a little bit of I've met. So many of you over the years and you've asked me so many things about. Family life to marriage to just. The most random things and I felt like sharing that back with them is the best way of two way communication and it's scary for sure but. It's a really it's turned into a really beautiful thing at least so far we still a little nervous about the rest of the world reading it but I know it's been fun of the book I read up until when I actually met you. So I read up into what I have lived with you since then. I got like the back store and it really did feel like. This is like if Lauren and I sat down and got coffee and she was like, here's the stuff. You don't know Anne case it happened before two thousand sixteen or whatever. That's cool. Yeah it was really cool and so I think you have done the goal if the goal you have is to write a book that feels like you're telling your friends your story you've really done that we'll thank you that was the goal we just to just to be open and be me and and hopefully. A. Hope it helps someone not feel so isolated and whatever it is they find themselves or just laugh a little or cry little if you need a good cry or You know like you've got a friend. in whatever it is, you may be gone through but Yeah it's it's been a very different process, but it's been a lot of fun. I've loved it. So what are the things that you're nervous about? Are you nervous about bad? UNKIND comments are you nervous? Just the idea that there's going to be I mean my today my assistant said I, mean one day you're holding one cup 'cause we got your book. You know she said so one day you're holding one copy and the next day a million people can have it. You're right I think that's what's so nerve wracking is would have some people don't agree with the way that I've lived my life or I mean I feel like I always ask myself these questions even if I post a story on Instagram of like. Someone going to think that I'm doing something wrong or but you know what we talked about this earlier but me being a non yes and being the people pleaser. That's probably why that is always in the back of my mind like going to hurt someone's feelings or is this going to make me look like I? Mean something that I don't that I'm not trying to say or? I'm always second guessing every single thing but yeah, I mean. It's just a nerve racking thing I am kind of used to. Doing life with a lot of people. Looking our direction mostly at Matt has been but I think now that we've got our three girls, a lot of his women fan base are like. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're concerts amazing. We love your songs. We love who you are but like your wife is a mom and a wife in we can relate to her so much. So I. Think would like. Yeah. You're colds are where's It's I mean you know it's just crazy and so. I think that would be nerve racking to anyone except maybe rock as men I feel like he just thrives when people watch him. Yeah. It makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. Really. I love it. When I'm with my like friend group, I will get on stage and perform and do whatever it is. They want me to do to be funny. But if you put me in front of black, a bunch of people that I've never met before, it's like you know it's that feeling of when you have to give a presentation in fourth grade for the first time in front of your whole class in you're like. Sweating bullets. I'm I'm getting a little more used to for sure but. It's nice people in the industry that have been there and done that and and can kind of like come alongside you and be like, no you're not crazy for feeling this way yet. Are there some other wives that you talk to in? Like are their mentor women in your life that understand this lifestyle? Yeah, I mean I think we're all in buried different. Coins like I don't have many girlfriends who have a book coming out right but. In different ways we all can like relate to each other on different levels just being you know in the public eye. in that community atmosphere like. Is Everything. It just gives me so much life and and just them speaking truth into my life has been. Lifesaving truly ask can't I wouldn't be able to. There's no way I would not survive without my community in all forms. Yeah. That's what keeps me going. That's what helps me to be me and and then when I do mess up of got that same community to go yeah you know you probably shouldn't have done that. But we're here. We love you. Yeah, right yeah. I just imagined. There's probably so many of our friends who are listening that are like newly married or new moms and they feel like they're doing this all by themselves. Gosh like what would you say to them about finding other women to help them walk through this man? Okay. Well, first of all, they're out there I feel like I've been in places before or even. Most recently, I feel like when we got married seven years ago, coming into the music industry I, was like I am never gonNA relate to any of these women I mean I just they've been doing this. They look so confident on red carpets they're on camera. Freeze and I just could never envisioned myself being that way. And then I remember meeting Girls after the ACM's one night and we just got to talking and I remember being so nervous talking to them like what am I going to say are we even have like real conversations? How how much of myself do I let her know do I need to play a certain part? and. Once you get into it and this is with any new community you start talking and they start talking back and then you open up your heart a little bit more than you realize Oh wait we're all just a bunch humans nobody has figured out no matter where you are and we're all to some extent relatable and I, think once you find that common ground whatever it is even if it's the tiniest thing in the world. The relationship can grow off that in and you've got to be willing to. Be Vulnerable and then be put the effort into that relationship but. Yeah man as a new mom or single mom or. New Wife That is just crucial to have other women side you have are either going through what you're going through or have been through it, and then even people who are a few steps behind you that you can kind of pass on what you've learned or what's been helpful or just speak truth into their life because. Every single person needs that community even if it's a new community but yeah, that would be number. One thing for anyone who's coming into a new part in their life is to on somebody that's doing that too and I just think your advice is so spot on of like you may get to be or need to be the one who's vulnerable I. Yeah. Yeah. Totally and it's so scary. So scary. Doesn't always come back at you to think the way you think it might or the way you hope it might but you know. Go. Perfectly. Every single time you've not. You've got to have some ups and downs and then learn from the downs and celebrate the UPS. I mean that could be true in. In how the book does that can be true in dating that can be true in friendship I mean, it's one theme what you're saying about your life today Lauren of like, I just take the next step I see in front of me and it doesn't always go perfectly but it's it feels like the door the Lord's opened for sure and you know what? Like the things that have not done right? He's grown me so much from that. You know and I feel like you look back and you go man, you know I wish you wanted Anat or wish it would have said that even marriage you know like with relationships when I feel like. I've we've gotten into a fight and it was clearly my fault or whatever. You know. You always come out on the other end learning something and then the next time it comes around you know not to do that or say that or you know to avoid whatever it is that made you stumble the first time around. Hopefully learn. May. Sometimes it's taken a few times to learn it, but it's it's good for you in my mom always says, it builds character and it does I mean that quote from your book about People's expectations. How do you balance that of like people expect you and Thomas Rhett and they do see you'll have this really beautiful kind loving marriage that you can tell you put work into but you also want to present and you do that we're not perfect for humans but you also don't need to like air your laundry about let's go online. How did you when you were writing the book and like when you and Thomas Rider both posting because we don't very often have people on the show that are both I mean Kayleigh and Russell came on last February. So we've had some people where both people are public figures. But how y'all balance like hey, that you said more than I wanted you to say there or do anything by other how do you decide how public you are about how you are growing in your marriage and as parents? You know I think we've got this certain things that were like you know what? That's just for us like they're certain like pictures. I have pictures of my kids I'm like that is my favorite picture in the world I WANNA share it with the world but then I'm like you know what? It's kind of Nice to have some things that not every single person knows in sees, and so I think we both kind of have. This sense of you know I think this is getting a little too close to home and you know we want to share lobs with with the people who love us an Carolina's, but you also have to be careful because there are some people who don't want the best for us in at think. Learning that in finding that out was really hard burs because it was like, what did I do like in and of course, you want everyone to like you. But I think just realizing that. I do believe we were put into this position for a reason. I'm not exactly sure what those reasons are. A may not even know at the end of my life but I know that we're here for a reason and so I feel like we would be Like we wouldn't be listening to the Lord's call if we kept our life really private. because I just I feel like I just. I don't know I keep telling him I'm like you know what? This might be a little team off for the rest of the world but you know I feel like somebody needs to hear it somebody needs to say here me say it and like even going back to a lot of people bring up we've talked about we've gone to counseling and we go to counseling. Yeah. A lot of people bring that up in their like, wow I can't believe that Y'all do counseling I'm like what it's amazing. Everyone for new counseling but I just I do believe that my parents being open books growing up in just I mean, they were as honest as they come and didn't had much from US I. Think I learned that growing up in saw how it benefited me master brother just their honesty in life in what they learned There's something about being really vulnerable that. That yet scary at first but then you see the life that it brings when you are honest and open about your struggles or. You're all the join your life or the things that have gone well, things that have gone wrong or things that are sad are or whatever But yeah, we try not to post every fight on. Nuclear gets. There with online. But to answer your question, we don't run everything past each other including the book end. Thomas. Rhett. Didn't read it until it was almost completely finished because I wanted him to like see it fresh. Like my number one critic sure and so. He did at being he goes. Wow. I. Didn't know you'RE GONNA put out there. You know I I just I was like well, honey I don't know it just It started coming out and I wasn't really sure how the book was going to go, but it went that way and. I think we'll be better for it. He was like well. Okay Swallow that pill but you know we're good. We're still happy we're good reunion, and now we had made a list of stories I wanted to make sure we hit in one of them was that day we were both at Fenwick's and your with some friends and allies with some friends and you came over to our table, and somehow we started talking about onsite and you're like anti, you're GONNA be fine. You should go you're going to be and I remember going like. If Lawrence says, I'll survive going on then been probably wouldn't. Even you in that moment and I think that's a beautiful example of how well you do this because you didn't go here the eight things I worked on it on site. You said was, Hey, I had an experience like the one you're going to, and you will be better on the other side. Yeah and that was I needed I didn't need you to give me like tell me the twelfth things you work. You say you survived it that you had had something that led you to counseling and that you were better on the other side for it and that meant so much to me learn it like it really helped me go. Good well, any no I. Didn't. I had zero idea that was going to make any impact on you. I was just really excited. You're getting to go because I. Think it's amazing. And you know who we share I think is Jim Chris. I love him so much Florence I love that guy so much. He's so amazing Oh our outsource I've ever known in my life. Truly Thomas Rhett would say the same as well. He's he's incredible. He's incredible. He knows how to ask that. All all Jim. Chris does is say to you. Yeah I bet you do feel that way and your. Different. Did you change me all you? He just is. He's so good at mirroring back to you what you're saying. Yeah, and then you just word vomit. Yes. Oh my I didn't even know that way just came out. Amazing I. I just think. So highly of people who will put their lives I mean it no one could know Jim Chris's name for the rest of our lives. If we didn't do this interview, you know what I mean like yeah. He does anything to try to be known. Yup but he has helped so many of us and some really profound ways. Oh my word. Yeah. No joke. He changed our marriage. Yeah truly he we went. We went to him when Oh goodness. What year was that it was before we had kids but we honestly just started going. because of some friends of ours who had been in an we had done marriage counseling off and on, but not like an intensive marriage counseling anywhere and we were like, you know what? This could be really good for us just to learn how. To communicate better or the so smart Lauren like Y'all didn't wait for an explosion y'all hey. At, least just ahead of it, so something hits us win something hits us Yup we have the tools to navigate it a lot better brand goodness. Gracious. I. It was one of the best things I mean. I'd just seen on sites. Praises everyone I meet lean to me too man I'm like if you can make away if you can make a time in a budget and if you could make a way to suspend but if not, can you go to counseling in the city where you live Counts such an incredible investment. So worth it on any level I think. So when you're raising your girls, they are the cutest by the way I mean that new little one Lauren O. Mass. She's really sweet. She's a really good baby except for the spit up so much word. She? Yeah. It's a hidden talent it's under. The babies you birth have so much. Hair Lauren so much. I know and linen linens hairs really dark in Thomas Rhett tears now but he was blonde when he was younger sister, she was blonde when she was younger me and my siblings or blonde in light-colored is in. So she popped out everybody was like one. 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Yes girl that's no joke I mean your life changed so fast so fast so fast I look back like it's just been a blur the every bit of it has just a look back and I'm like how how long has it been I did something for Ah Graduation A few weeks ago in at was like Oh my word. I have been graduated from College for eight years. Yeah. Like two rounds of students have come and gone. Truly, I, it's blowing my mind on like oh my goodness. and. Then think back like try to like process like what all these last eight years I've lived so much life in a lot of is a blurb. In in the midst of the blurred, they're just like the most amazing moments and. Three kids later, and I cannot believe my life is what it is I mean I'm thirty years old and. have travelled out of the country with two of the three kids. We just have this amazing little life that looks nothing like I thought it was going to look. I. Thought, you know as a little girl what my life was going to be in but it it's far better than my wildest dreams I mean I didn't want to be girl. You didn't. Know because I would never I just can't relate to the girlie things I. Never did the Barbie Dolls I wanted to make up I never still still that way and my two oldest linen doesn't a who knows what she's going to be like. Had a chance living with Lebron James, but they I kid, you not change Princess's dresses probably twelve times a day each and. Anytime I put on makeup, which is like once every month they have there like just looking straight at me like mom, can I put on your Mascara? James asked me evidence she said, why are you knew and I was like, why am I knew and she kept looking at me and then touch my face and I realized it was because I washed my hair. One rescuer and she doesn't recognize me anymore because I she got a new face is like why are you knew but they hang off of every little I mean I put the Mascara on they want the Mascara they go into my closet they pull out all red carpet shoes that I've worn one time yet really one time one ever put him back on probably unless it matches another dress yet and all they want me to put on the sparkly shoes and there is nothing in me that wants the girly life and so I do not I'm not going to be a good girl mom. And I. Really Really Just God please just give me a boy to me boy I feel like I can really do a boy really well I can I can have a boy in raise him play in the mud and we'll do things outside and I just can't do the Barbie world in that is my Lessons then like God, please give me a boy and he's like ha ha three girls later. Won't. Try, right. But it has been I was telling my sister this the other day I could not be more opposite from at least my two older girls personalities as far as what interests them, but it is so much fun I mean I would never in a million years change the way that our family has formed and I'm not gonNA. Laugh I was a little upset when we found out eight of Jayme Girl Yeah. Because I was like, no, we'll agree was so young and I was like we've got a girl she's precious I really WanNa boy emceeing sisters in. Barbie dolls really aren't that bad. Yeah, and the princess dresses are really sweet on them all day long and. Just pictures you posted those dresses is so cute. Hey, are hilarious. Will you explain how their ages are so close for people who don't know the story Oh. Yeah. Okay. So so we adopted Willa great from Uganda and she came home and twenty seventeen in she was eighteen months old. Okay. Had you met her when you were in Uganda? Yes I met her actually my first trip to Uganda and she was five months old. And that's since then since she was five months, it was a little bit of time before I got to go back again. But once I went back the second time I was with her as much as possible because then we were in the thick of the adoption. Okay. So I've got to be mom to her in Uganda, but it was still like on the down low and. we obviously were in America and so bringing her home was when I felt like I could be a little more free with You know just being at my home and being with my family and my friends and and for our family to. Get to you know show her the things that we really wanted to see her and and being in Uganda was. Unbelievable getting to to live where she was born with the people who helped me to take care of her when I couldn't be there and not wait to take her back one day She talks about it all the time and I'm constantly on the phone talking with our friends over there are her birth parents still alive like would you would you be able to introduce her to family I would love to but we have no idea. I just I have no idea where if she has any. Blood relatives in the world I don't even know where they are and added of Ascott a few times unlike if she's got someone, please let us see them or meet them are somehow in Uganda may connection I don't I don't know how he would technology. So crazy today that you know with all of DNA testing, all of the the twenty three and me that thank you. I gave them twenty three. She's adopted I gave my Mama twenty-three your. Mom is and so yeah. I, know so cool and so she I think things like that. I'm like hopeful one day that maybe we'll get to but I'm like you know what? If nothing else when we get to heaven like I just want to look at her birth mom in the face and be like listen I don't know what you went through I. Don't know how your life came about I. Don't know how her life came about but your little girl. Is the most in Djelic. Child. In. The changed Will I sure our life but the world is seeing this little girl leave his life that that didn't look like everyone else's life and it was okay and it's beautiful in she's deriving and she's she's changing hearts and she's loving on people and seeing her grow up in be a big sister tomato, other two daughters and. Just watching her turn into the little person she is. It breaks my heart that her birth mom is able to see that. But I always in moments like that where I'm like, oh I just I want to share this or I don't WanNa, lose this memory or things like that. I'm always like I. Wonder if God will like lettuce play that parts of our life when we get to heaven like Google Reagan like a movie or like with her birth mom let her mom like watch her do things growing up or I just think in my mind somewhere might. Want. So desperately to have that connection because there's so many questions that have an know that she will as she gets older too but the question just don't end with her little brain. She's the smartest for your old on the planet and she asked me questions and I'm like oh I don't. Start to answer the. So it is hilarious that James Bless, her heart. She smart in her own way she's She cares a whole lot about. things that are a profound these days yet also two and a half bathroom. Yes Willa Willa grace four year old age James is two and a half in Asia James was born. When will a gray was? Three months. Old Note when she was three when she was home for three months. Yeah. Trying to think she came home when she was. Eighteen months old. Yeah. Oh Gosh my mom brain. Of Twenty God, like trying to remember I'm like. Yeah three months later, Eighty James born and so they're they're twenty one months apart. But I felt like even though I was like mom in Uganda. I felt like I didn't have a whole lot of time. To prepare. Nine mom at least in the states and I was so pregnant there at the end. Yeah. That it just. Honestly felt like almost had twins for second I would think so yeah, for sure it would feel that way real close together her in but it's so sweet because they don't do anything apart now. If one of them goes to like my parents house and the other one goes to one of his parents house. They ate a James the other day I dropped will gray off with my mom just so mean to James, could have like. A mom daughter day. Do end she started bawling on your sisters leaving. Off. I was like, no honey it's just for. Right. It's So precious. How sweet and how close they are in. You know I've thought for a second day when we got pregnant with James I was like Oh ma what what have we done? We're not going to be able to. We've not even tried to be parents to one just yet. Right and we'd re barely got home to the states and been here comes number two and but looking back at it like Omar D-, I know exactly why we got pregnant when we did because I think will a gray. Came from a place with lots of kids and lots of babies, lots of things going on, and then she comes to the US and she's the only grandkid you know. Looking around going. Well this is pretty boring and you. Should think she needed that playmate in they seem like absolute best friends the to them they are. It's precious. Yes. The sweetest thing in the world and yet was hard there for a second in some days. It's still pretty hard but. It it's so sweet than being close together. And both the families are in driving distance. So you get to see your parents and his parents and like I everybody kind of jumps in and help show when you need it. Yeah. Yeah. For sure we have the most amazing built in support system, right Nashville and so we see our families. Hilarious because anytime we go to the movies or go to a concert or go on family vacation. It's like okay. So how many people will be in your party where like? Eighteen. Again. But. It's so much fun in in. We're still the only with kids in our family. So once our sibling start having kids, it's going to be a a mad house if but it's so last year we one of our friends got baptized and there were just a handful of us there, but it was y'all and your mom and your brother. And I was like man that is so sweet. This friend of ours WHO's getting baptized wanted you and your husband who are two of her best friends and your mom and your brother man that is the coolest image of how your family invest in the people that you love. Oh well like I said, I could not do my life without them in. So it's almost like a package deal you're going to become friends with us. You're just going to become friends with our family You know some people think crazy. Some people are like are y'all not tired of being around your family all the time, but it's Kinda just like we have this Bilton best friend group. It works and we have so much fun together not to mention I have like twelve extra sets of hands to help. You also partly, we haven't talked about this I mean you and Thomas Rhett met in like elementary school. So y'all families have kind of just always known each other, right? Yeah. That part of it 'cause y'all were y'all doing family stuff together as teenagers. Yeah. I think. So because our sisters when we dated when we dated in high school or Middle School good night. A couple of times we kind of. Dated in high school when we really started dating in high school in. To our sisters would tag along with US wherever we went in and they became best friends so. I guess our family started growing together even way before 'cause we broke up, we did not date long in high school we broke up in didn't again for like let's see five six years allow. But even through all that time we stayed really close to. I. Do think it's been like a long time coming. You know it wasn't like we got married and then our families met became close. It was years and years, but our family is super compatible we just. Our parents all get along and we liked the same things and. Even if we don't we. We tolerate the things, the other people that they like we can be run into the because because it's just more fun that way but I always grew up at my parents house. You, know the more the Merrier so we would have sleepovers in. We didn't have a huge house growing up, but we would you know have pallets all over the floor of quilts and pillows and whatever because it just always was more fun when everybody could join. So as we've gotten older, we kind of have that same mentality and so that's why we roll with a group of eighteen. Everywhere you go. But. We love it. It isn't so vibe. It's might not be your job and that's okay right In. We're GONNA roll in hot yeah lot of people. I'm not married yet and but tell me what you know about God from being with Thomas Rhett for this long. What's something you have experienced guide from being married and being in the same relationship for so long he? knows. Me So much better. Than I ever thought, I could know myself and you mean God Not Thomas. Right. Right. Right. What do you mean Thomas Rhett how can give up the Lord Yeah? Okay The things that that he has brought me that the Lord has brought me through marriage and because of my marriage, it is like a John Norris Jigsaw puzzle that I have you know seen pieces for my whole life in as I've seen the puzzle start to come together. I'm like holy Moly I never in a million years thought that that piece was going to go right here or didn't even know that that piece had a place and and it does all of a sudden and then it fits so perfectly and I'm like, Oh, my goodness, it's just I just feel I feel so known and you know you learn that as you're growing up that you are known and loved by God. But I didn't experience that I don't believe until hours married in in that comes with other things in life to you know the marriage for sure was a part of. Me Experiencing that but but I do think even the things in my life like. To Uganda things that don't have anything do with marriage as I've gotten older and lived more of my life. Which is what has encouraged me to walk through the doors that he opens a I might listen you know me better than I. Know Myself. So if you're telling me, this is what I need to be doing. Then I'm going to try my hardest and half the courage to listen and walk through it and he never disappoints he never did once and. It's just it's the one constant in my life and I just you know marriage has its ups and downs and kids have their ups and downs and your sleep patterns with kids have their ups and downs. Anything you just. You could be having the worst day ever but but he's not going to change and I think holding onto that. Is, just what keeps me going every day in an in those? Super Low downs the that's all sometimes you can cling to and then having that community that can back you up when you feel like you are having a hard time even clinging to your faith adding that community that can also. Lift you up and for me, it is a husband in my girlfriends and my family but the man he just he knows me so well. I mean you made me so it makes sense but. I guess I just. took me a long time to feel it too no it in into. Live that part of my life knowing like Oh. Okay. I I can see how you know me better than health now and it's such a cool experience when you do experience that. Belong it feels like that. It almost feels like those are the is you have to choose to have you know like you can either choose to have is that say I'm GonNa. Look at my life and see how much God knows me or I'm GONNA. Look at my life and see what I don't have Yep Yep. No, you're absolutely right. Right. So you've chosen this you'd do you have any to choose on every day I guess you could wake up some days. And you have the set of is that are trying to point you down another direction in And Yeah I mean I I think everybody probably goes through those were you're like Oh man I have got to re set mob prescription or something asked. Really, just got to trade in these glasses. I sure. Because if you just it's a discipline I, it is a discipline in but more than that. It's who you have around you. One of our really good friends said one time he said if you want to know what your spiritual average is like look at the your top five friends around you and Add up their spiritual numbers on like a one to ten scale average them out. That's probably where you are. and. That is so true Omaar. It's so true and it's so good in out constantly like I've told myself that ever since up heard. That analogy I'm constantly reminding myself like. You know what you need to be. You have such a limited I have such limited time as a mom and just with the maybe not in corona virus felt like everybody had a whole lot of time. Normal life circumstance right everyone's so busy much going on. You've got to make the time for the people who are going to bring that average up into help you fix your eyes on the one who knows you and? Love You more than you can even fathom and so. It's something that you have to live. You Know Day to day and learn day to day indefinitely choose day to day and it's not always easy and sometimes it feels like it would be so much easier just to look the other way or try to do it on your own or you know better but Man is just it's just not the right. Right. I We're not equipped to do this on our own and community is everything and I think that's why he That's what he intended us to do with our community was to surround each other in speak that truth and. Put to death and things that were going to try and creep in in lot you end. That's that goes for anybody though but I feel like man I feel it hard for women. These days are really do. I think the more women like you and I can have these conversations. and. Let other women or or whoever is listening. Hear it. And no it to that that they're not alone and In that Gosh. The life the what the world is trying to tell us these days is is scary and if I didn't have my community around me to point me in the right direction with. Being a wife being a mom and I would be lost. I love that you dedicated your book live in love to your community I. Mean that's dedication was like to our crew and everyone who's loved us through all of this I couldn't do this without y'all. It's true I joke a joke what I'm really serious that will agree wouldn't have come home without them. I say that they brought her home because on those days are I felt like I was. A felt too far gone or to Was So hopeless there were days arrived just felt so hopeless in. So tired felt like almost didn't even have the energy just to just to say a prayer and I was. Honest about that with our community in I had these group text chains going. I called the group chains, my prayer warriors, and I would text them through those. UPS and downs I would say, honestly I'm so angry right now I'm so angry also defeated and I don't know that I have the energy and the willpower to keep going right now and so at that point they would you know kind of take over and say listen we're GONNA lift you right now you may not be able to lift yourself. We're GONNA, lift you. To Lord we're GONNA fight with you alongside you. When you felt like you can't fight anymore we're GONNA be fighting for you for Willa Great in That's when I really when when prayer. Changed. Drastically the course of our life just making us become a family of three through that whole process and bringing our baby home but. Even after that man I just. Even, the smallest things big or small you know having same community to back you up in an to. Support you no matter way to tell you. You're wrong but to think the biggest thing for me is just speaking truth into my life, I need that and I think everybody needs that and Yeah. So when we're talking about what who do you want to dedicate the book to I was like you know I would not be where I am I wouldn't be who I am I truly believe that my kids would not be. Who they are where they are here now without our community. and. So I just feel like my life. Points Back to God and the people around us. Every time and the story always goes back to God and his faithfulness through our community, and so it's just the most honest I can be is pointing straight back to him. Yeah. That's Great Lauren I just am man I've said this to you in our realized that I have watched you and Thomas Rhett love some of our friends in ways that have literally changed you they are. And walked them toward Jesus and I've just been. So it has been such a joy to watch close like. Your book and your life is not just a story. You tell it is what you are doing I mean. It's what you're doing and it is just the best to watch. So I'm grateful to have a seat in the audience of watching how you love our friends really well, and me I mean me too. I'm on the receiving end of your kindness so. Right back at you but it's you know it's it's so fun when you have people to do life with that love ul and teach you how to love well, because we went love. Well, if we didn't have people who loved us well and Thomas do I well, I'm grateful to be on the receiving end. Teach me how to be a good friend. Okay. The last question we always ask because the show is called that sounds fun. Tell me what you'll do for. Fine. Honestly the day and age that we with three little what we do for fun is Just run around the house and scream screaming chase each other I mean it it. It starts out as a runway show with the girls in their princess dress inevitably turns into someone chasing someone else around the house and it turns into a scream fist. Just I don't know what it is about little girls, but they just love to screen. And Limited even do it yet. You've only got two out of three going right I. Know She's learned she's finding your voice slowly Angie will man she just watches her sisters do everything. But yes, screaming when I think about what we do for fun it is an involves a lot of screaming. Oh my gosh that makes me laugh. That's awesome. Great Answer. Hey thanks for doing this today Lauren I. Really appreciate I can't wait for people to get your book and you're so sweet. Thank you for having me in hanging with me today for a little bit. It was so much fun. Friends you love her I know I know. You love her as much as you thought you were gonNA love her if not more Lauren Atkins is just one of the best y'all okay. So listen grab a copy of new book. Live in love. Make sure your phone her on Social Media Tower. Thanks for being on the show. y'All tag me a lot since you've got a book coming out and said any winter you gotTa have learned on the show. This is your chance to go back and tell. Her how much you'll ever thanks for being on the show and how much her words meant to you and also head over to our favourite shop in Nashville. Able you know you can go to live fashionable dot com and there's actually Lauren again new exclusive line yard love some of those bags. So go check that out as well Lord and I continued our chat over on Youtube. So make sure you go to YouTube dot com slash Anne F down T. S. F. to hear the rest of our conversation. If you need me you know I'm embarrassingly easy to find any downs on instagram twitter facebook places you may need that is how you can find me and I think that's it for me. Today France is happy to her Lauren I. 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Brisnet Call In Show - March 19th 2020

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Brisnet Call In Show - March 19th 2020

"This is risen dot com call in show on the horse racing radio network. The phone lines are open. Call now eight eight eight nine six six. H R R and. That's eight eight eight nine six four seven seven six. Now here's Anthony Steel and ED derosa. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the bridge. Net Dot com call on show here on the Horse Racing Radio Network on the big a Anthony Stabile in New York down in the. Bluegrass is operatives. Leila peanut he's an hour Lexington Kentucky Studios and my main man. Ed Arosa from Brisbane that we want to hear from you. Hr and nation and what is one of the wildest weeks and times in the history of the world therefore in the history of thoroughbred racing. We've been able to put our own little craziness into it. The last couple of weeks. Eight eight nine six six four seven seven six. Ed I hope you Lori and the kids well and safe. How are you feeling good so far? homeschooling going. Well definitely Had My first inkling the real concern about this when I saw the Sean Payton Who I saw at fairgrounds and Saturday tested positive for Kobe Luckily I didn't know who he was so had no interest in talking to him or shaking his hand or anything like that but still kinda incredible to think you know the very random happenstance that we were both there at the same time. You're a browns fan so your football season's over in nineteen ninety-three you'd have no reason. No Sean Payton. Aaron Boone is But Yes sir. Hopefully no no need for concern but Just kind of you know the way. All these things intersect You know bound bound to happen to me But hopefully will stay safe but certainly been interesting watching what racing there is unfold. Yep We just announced will be closed. The Earth of New York Racing Association indefinitely after A vaccination workers tested positive for corona virus Do what you can out there. Stay safe We're going to be here without programming the entire time. Radio go on trainer. Talk this program preview everything. GonNa continue equine form. Of course it'll be a guest. The Saturday with Mike. Penner am eastern presented by red brand fences. Well and more importantly this hour is yours. Hr Nation so please give us a call share some stories. Ask Some questions that Kentucky Derby things being moved discipline fifth. So we'll probably have some questions about that and we'll see if that's where Paul wants to take it. Hey Paul from Tampa Bay welcome to the prisoner dot com hall and show no Wrestlemainia for you my friend. Yeah I found that incredibly people after Hogan beat by tremendous eighty nine. I wasn't you know I'm forty one but yeah no wrestlemainia no WRESTLEMANIA. I Still Watch judge. I was there to that was a that was the next year I've ever seen question for qualcomm. I know you're a big easy goer guy and obviously with everything going on. I've been watching a lot of videos. Let me ask you something about easy. Goer won one K. Easy Goer won the travers in eighty nine. What race that he win before he wanted travers? Let me ask you guys. He won the win. Now when the Whitney Yeah you're right I couldn't believe that so my questions you in in an effort is so when I didn't realize this like when was the last horse was a three year old. Colt. Who who won the Whitney who are even racing the Whitney then they will the back. Fourteen days later travers. But I didn't think you could run us through those referrals right around. That's a great question to Paul. I WANNA say in New York. The first older the first time threes were allowed to run against or it was opened up. Was the suburban and suburban used to be July fourth every year. It is now held around scheduled to be held. July fourth this year but it's traditionally the last five or six years been held on Stars and Stripes Day which raise right around fourth of July but the suburban on fourth of July every year in kind of the unofficial start to the second half of the year. I WanNa say that was the first race that was opened up to three and up. Yeah throws I I did. I did research. He won the Whitney on eight five. You came back from a travers. Eighty fourteen days later. But you can't do that now. Right the Whitney strictly is for right. Now I believe the witness for three year olds and up believe you can run a three year old Rachel Alexandra when the Woodward she was a three year old filly against the older boy so I can't imagine close how close one race not open another by. You can run into them there. You're all for a million bucks. It monmouth. Yeah but still. I still think that's I hear you know you're right vice. I I still think I mean. Hey I'm Jim gains a great fun. I mean I don't know I just think some trainers kind of do what Shug Back Day say you know? Well let's go for the Whitney even if we don't have a forego like year was won by at Saratoga was. I can't remember I was. I was there when the bigger stumbling say. Hey Look Mackenzie editor Kinsey one with me. This you can't kill me. You WanNa know why Paul and Paul and thanks for the call you WANNA know why. Nobody's running 'cause nobody said easy go. That's why nobody is one of the three year old cult into Whitney. Because you don't have to. None of them have been easy. Goer you have the option to go to the hassle for the big money you have to go to. I mean Jim Dandy. Six hundred thousand right. I don't know Derby as now but there was a time. It was seven fifty seven fifty. I think it was four or five last year. There's no you know yeah I mean listen it would miles always been open to three year olds right like that was sort of a big all the answer to the question. Thank you at the answers. Of course. Dixie brass honor and glory. The first three rolls concussed those yellow. Yes it was the met mile. How foolish of me to forget that. It's the met. Mile was the map. So they go. Yeah I mean why. Don't do it because they don't have to Will we get somebody to do it? I don't know I remember. Everybody thinks the listening Jesse Jackson were completely out of their minds. To run Rachel Alexandra in the woodwork. But I didn't catch the salty EST munch and she got a great breaking the weights and everything worked out perfectly for her that day But you know there's this there's no need to do it and I think that we've gotten to the point in the sport where things are done. Only think outside the box if you feel you for the most part if you feel you need to right otherwise you're just go. You just stay on script fair. Say It yeah. I think that's fair to say eighty nine six six four seven seven six. What do you have to say? Hr Nation I so at. I've been asked this a million times About you and I was like well. If you want to just ask Ed Call Ed get hit every Thursday. Night Song is not a cashcall. It's not a cashcall now. We're still flush actually. I'M GONNA HOLD MY QUESTION. Tom and dome our good friends on the line. Hey Tom Welcome to the prison. Dot Com Colon. Show Hi Anthony. Hi Ad. I'm sure sounds like you guys are okay I hope everybody in your family and everything all right. I got a off the wall question. Hopefully you can answer for me are or are the the writing reasons for just not cancelling the Derby this year just as like a unique thing like one a war happens or whatever is it. Is it money driven from see? I mean It's it's GonNa be very very very strange to have some of these races out of order now. I like I said compared to everybody being sick I understand it. That doesn't mean anything. I I understand all of that but if we're going to go ahead and try it. Why don't we just run everything right where it is and and cancel what we have to 'cause we stood? We're not sure that it's going to be available in September along the lines of what I've been asked about you at did you know about this. Did you have any any destroy you part of this decision making process And these questions I've been asked I think I have an answer to the question but you work for the competent. So yeah I have not been ufos. Which in the scope of answering the question. I think is a positive because I have no bias but I was not involved At any level date change future wager I don't even help set the feel for the future wager When they have the pool. So I'm pretty uninvolved in that stuff. I think the biggest thing on my mind when weighing whether to have the Ray cetera beyond the money You know it's a huge driver for CDI anyone can look at our sec filings to know that that's not a secret But this is the longest continuously held sporting event in the United States. And if they need to run at eleven fifty nine PM on December. Thirty first to hold that distinction. They'll do it That hasn't been said to me. But that's just my sense There's a lot of pride in that historical fact. It's I mean. Once you lose it you can never ever get it back so I just I think that that's a huge factor. And then from there you decide okay. One two run out. What makes most sense? Where can we make the most money when does NBC want to run it? And I think one thing you know I i. I understand the consternation a week after the travers and you know there may be the triple crown. Isn't you know in the same order? Anything like that. I think one thing in the luxury living in Louisville the know this but I think one thing people have not considered an taken for granted. Is that this decision was definitely made with consultation of Kentucky and Louisville Churchill recognizes how important this race and the weeks leading up to it are for restaurants hotels the economy part time work etcetera and choosing the state. I think that was that was a bigger factor than what's the preakness GonNa do? Is they wanted to make sure their partners in the community stood the chance to recoup whatever they may be able to at that time and you know I would hope that there was a stakes that needed to be moved around or something weather wise. Or maybe it's you know this this pandemic at Saratoga. I'm sure naira is going to be much more concerned with its friends and colleagues in Saratoga Springs than what were they moved. The Sword Dancer is going to do with the million and I'd be fine with that. Just let me say this real quick and I'll get off the line. I more than anything I hope that everybody is healthy. And safe because Some of the people I know that our involvement horse racing. They're they're my best friends than their their people. I've known for many many years and I don't want him to get sick so I want them to prevent prevent them from getting sick and I understand all that so with that said I just hope that you guys anthony you your best lady there and edit all your family I hope everybody's all real safe and everything and Maybe I'll see you guys in the funny papers all right thank you gotta Tom Thanks Yeah I'm sure. A lot went into the decision making process and sure money a big role in it. It's a two huge money. Dr Churchill downs incorporated. And it's I mean keep that city role in most of the people own stand. How you know How big of an impact. It has on the talking. Eight eight eight nine six four seven seven six. We'll take a break come back. More recalled lowers news update as well as Jim from Delaware to hold on the line. You'RE LISTENING TO BRIDGE DOT COM Colon. 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Yeah definitely not wanting to get to EJ for sure no and The other question that question dancing at that a week or so ago. I don't let me call a race at the center bed track and I happen to like take up the meadowlands and it was John and Brielle Cologne the race there and later I heard that you had called the one at Yakkers the same day I think same night. Jonathan call this out man really sad just like a negative US anyway. Where you at the yonkers? You've got writing across here. There has been a you know. A couple of real severe cases right released really relate that they were on the back they were they were on the backside and I was on the front side. So Y- I'm sorry about that. Case of the aqueduct. Belmont problems you know like race treasures. They never get sick. You gotTa keep working every day and you work through a lot of things so I mean I don't know what they're doing to check the workers I know there's only a few horses shipped in Delaware and I do. They are taking the temperature. Everybody comes to the gate which isn't very many people right now and I don't know what's going to happen going forward and I'm just glad to hear its response to the gentleman. Corey adult twin spires. Yeah star is kind of lost. Jim Thanks for the call Everybody's getting checked up here and You know was bound to just bound to happen at some point Yeah I don't know what's GonNa go on at at at places like Delo aren't open yet. Very curious to see how it's handled as far as letting help and perspective workers into the Into the place. Yeah I mean To me the biggest pizza this going forward were you know. We're we're running now and or certain tracks are should say. But you know if we get to a point where these horses aren't able to train then you're talking about four to six weeks from when it's okay to get back to the of being able to conduct bracing 'cause obviously if there's no training You're not gonNA start running races day one so it is. It's kind of odd to think. Yeah we're running now and you know keep going horses or at least they're allowed on the backside even if there is no racing might have you know some population to run races even at a reduced schedule. But you know we're looking at everything halted in you know. Just the trainer alive back there to feed the horses in walk on You know were I mean I. Don't I mean then you're talking about? Can you even run a derby in September? Meena forces aren't racing until August That to me is the equation that I worry about in terms of you know the health of racing in the summer is there's no training in. May then you're not running until at least July and then June is August etc etc so just hope Now some places are able to to keep a population going. Yeah say eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six for the phone line ring. It's time for the boards news. Update look at the top headlines from Blood Horse Dot Com Kentucky Commission approved September Derby League dates during a march nineteenth leaving Kentucky Horse Racing Commission. Now I'm asleep who've Churchill downs request to raise ten I V to accommodate covert nineteen plus woman of the great one tech dairy presented by Woodford reserve five day period expected to replicate the usual may role of Derby week when Churchill downs savings a series of stakes races and Events leading up to the Kentucky Derby the grade one long jeans duck yelps sister. Derby except for September fourth though other races have not been announced the approval of commissioners was expected after Ellis Park and Kentucky Down officials notify the Commission of their sport. Update shift those contracts have been assigned recent days during that period story. Goes on to let you know that. The encouraged part to add a couple of race to the summer. Meet and that Kentucky downs. Another question I've been getting a lot. Kentucky downs in Franklin will now race a Timber Seventh Ninth Tenth Twelfth Thirteenth and Sixteenth. So six days for Kentucky Downs September seven nine ten twelve thirteen and sixteen now wraps up tonight traditional the blowers news update during these unprecedented times. Keep abreast of the changes in happenings impacting. Our industry download the free daily Apple. Having email sent once a day. Floors daily has the largest subscriber base of any Thurber Industry Electronic daily newsletter. Get started right now. Go to blow DOT COM backslash. Dally right back out to the phone lines. We'll go with Chris and New Jersey. Hey Chris Walker dot com colon. Show thank you anthony. It's great to hear you guys both sound strong and healthy with this derby in September. I don't think it's necessarily such terrible thing. As long as they can work out the schedule for the summer races. I'm interested and GONNA move Belmont. Have you heard anything with respect to that? Are they going to have a early October? Haven't heard anything yet. Chris haven't heard anything yet We just decided to pull Postal in from racing for what having earning about the Belmont stakes yet. Hundred Point races now leading into the traditional Derby. It seems like you know if you went to you know late July or three weeks in July with the Haskell and then you know the first week in August for the travers took pretensions worth a hundred point races and then you make the other great threes You know West Virginia and all those other ones fifty point races. It would make for an interesting summer. I think I don't know I haven't really thought about it to be honest with you But yeah I mean I the one thing I have thought about is I would think If you're going to do this And you're going to an end. The entire triple crown series is going to be moved. I think you have to make the hassle and the travers super preps Two hundred point races. Will you guarantee the first three finishers have enough points to get into the field Because look part of the reason the point and thanks for the call Part of the reason the the point system was put in place was to make the three year old races more important than two year old races. And now this is no offense to any track and PREP RACES. But you don't. We've seen too many times in the last handful of years the last ten years. Let's say the second half two year old Will take charge Arrogate West Coast this three off. The top of my head that we'll take charge didn't run. W combined fifty two lengths in the triple crown The other two horses didn't run in the races. So you're GonNa have to do something I think to really entice either monmouth park or Saratoga. New York Racing Association to move these races to be relevant to the Derby. And I don't know if it's going to happen but we'll see Dr Fallen real quick that you know. I think what I said plays into that to mean if it doesn't reopen till June with realistically what does the same schedule look like they're etc so I mean it's just horrible speculate with the unknown back out to the phones we go? I need to hear his voice tonight amid all the Mississippi. Hr's welcome to the bridge DOT COM colon. Show Anthony. How are you doing? What are you know Derosa with you know? Yeah Oh man I tell you what buddy last week and I don't Wanna be sad tonight because You know with all the news out in the you know. You're okay to be sad tonight. Charles. I have my permit hell. Okay okay. I was listening to stay back and James scully came on last week. He gives a horse at Oakland Park. And I never would have looked twice at that. Orson Horse Run. Second gives me my. This is why I listen to Y'all anthony. I never would have had that. It was a thirteen ten twelve with with Cadillac Call deals horse and they also eligible coming off and I mean that's why I listen to you. All I mean not only the all make me feel better but sometimes there's some bona fide horses y'all give out and it didn't cost me a quarter but my serious cost me. What seven bucks a month? I think y'all are the best deal in show business. You could scream us. Live at horse racing radio DOT net. You don't even need serious helps. Obviously Elon's stabby and the Anthony if they would've had cell phones back when I was your age My second wife would have blew me up. Okay so let's don't even go there okay but I just I'm I'm just kind of you know. Horse racing was the only sport. It was the last four to go out. And it's hard to play I La in New York tracks You know and I it's just you know I would kind of like you today. I was just Kinda Sad. Yeah we'll get through this anthony through every and and And actually take care of yourself brother and keep everybody informed. I take care of me so I can take care of the kids. Come to an end and you know it'll be OK Charles. We're GONNA have a beer one of these days meaning you. That's right me to handle these things and I I if you don't recognize me when I come up to you won't be Out because I saw Ed at Oaklawn Park was it last weekend. Yes what added. I saw you it Oakland. Apart but You're right around there scurrying and I couldn't get through the gate and they wouldn't let anybody so I had. I had to make a quick exit but I thought that was you. Were running around. Traffic's name I I see you every you know whenever I go to the track place by but look this past. Maybe this'll pass Charles. Thanks for the call as always gotta get to the break. Thank you and I don't scurry much. So be able to track down island. Move as fast as that does not anymore anyway. 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Eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six. That's the number to call join the Shin. Ed Derosa so have you been working from home? Edward even yeah working from home. That's good telling played professor here. That's right you in charge of the home schooling No I mean I'm doing my part Negga Dad indefinitely involved in it but now lorries taken the reins negative ghost rider. The pattern is so it's been good. I mean there's actually some structure and they mail stuff out it. It's good to give them something to do. And that's definitely help break up the day a little bit. I mean it's only day four so we'll see where we are in a week or so but for now we've avoided cabin fever pedigree petherick classic professors to bill. My kids would have no chance at winning anything on the curriculum. All I would have is handicapping. That's all it gets court talk in school of Steel. So what am I mean? If you know that you're set where have you been? Where have you been dabbling with your way during the most little fairgrounds actually ready for? That's that is some card on Saturday. Now Yeah I mean that Off graded stakes pick for that closes it out. I mean you have fourteen horse Louisiana Derby That's it's pretty telling what's going on in the world and and racing. I don't think we've had a handicap in question and in two weeks No compelling field and you know it's hard to call the Derby crap at this point but the points will mean something so certainly important And it's a million dollar great too so even in that regard it is but You know it feels like to me type of race. I'm never picking a favorite. It's just too competitive and you're going to get some big prices on there with the big field I think five nights. The most likely winner in the sequence. She's in the fairgrounds oaks. So you know. We'll we'll see if I can put a little something around her because I don't like any of the favorites in the other three races so I'll plant my flag and who will probably shortest price. But you know you atend ones Makes up of it all right back to the phone lines we go John in Fresno John. Welcome to the prisoner DOT COM colon. Joe May ed overall as well. They're act- closing down. I I know that hits home for you. There sure does short. I wanted to ask you if you if things turn around in the next couple of weeks and we get back to normal and all these restrictions are lifted if you owned one of the top tier three year olds would you shell them through the summer and still focus on the Derby. No would you guys continue to race and just build build the pot and then when the Derby comes along. You're that much better I'm racing. I'm racing my horse. I don't know where my horse because I don't know what the schedule's going to look like but I am not knowing sat in. I'm not a big believer in waiting. Not a very patient person Yes the Derby but there are a lot of great races out there And I'm my horse when the opportunity comes up to run I'm Runnin that's it and if I get get to the derby kind of mentality Belmont hat and has We had him on radio earlier today. And you know he's basically said you're not going to put them in shrink wrap and wait. You gotta run and you know you gotTa do you. GotTa Run Yours. Nothing is promised. I think the for the shows promise with the race Being pushed back is and you touched on this with West Coast arrogate etc is your opening the pool of forces that can make this race so much more. I mean it's completely feasible. That the Horse who wins the Derby? This year is on race at this point. Is it have you guys more? Have you got no? But it's feasible so why why wait why think. Oh I'll just wait and you know one prep in the Derby and the next thing you know you're six to one because there's three more charlatans in the group has that been addressed. Ed Will there be another wave of late nominees. I know that you were able to nominate up until last week. For the six thousand will there be has up addressable. They'll be a a nominating or do they have to pay the hundred thousand in the preakness and the Belmont and they're just locked out of Kentucky. You know anything about that. Yeah it was up and addressed. I don't and part of that equation. No is the nomination. Process is common between the three triple crown races so I would think that decision. Unlike the one of where to move the race would absolutely have to happen in concert with the preakness and Belmont stakes. Because it's it's one nomination for all three races currently and I would have to think I mean maybe there wait to see you know if the Belmont the same day the maybe the Derby cuts off from that and says. Well we need we need a supplemental nomination But now I. I don't know what's been discussed to that end right. Eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six. That's the number call. Thank John is always for his phone volume very curious to see what's going on. I know you can nominate to the other races. Though for a hundred thousand I remember somebody put up the hundred thousand within the last five or six years. It was Wasn't it the Ramsey horse? He took on an investor that one the whatever it was at the time was that we Miss Artie. I feel like he was at fairground. Some acce- love New York Bread Right International Star. He was not now. He was fairgrounds to see it while Ed does his research. Last funding oscar-nominated Oscar nominated matinee. Pencil on Saturday. Did win the The the the spiral so good tool file yes matt in brings online. Hey matlock dot com. Call Joe Anthony Great. Show tonight. I don't get a chance to listen as much as I'd like to but I'm I based on the topics that we're hearing tonight. I hope I'm not endangered. Derail in anything. But I wanted to flop back to the indictments for just a quick moment and joins ask a question. I only know horse racing from an owner's perspective and it's been that way You know since I was a kid and then For My from my mom my dad and two now so I don't know it from any other perspective. But in light of these indictments in light of what's to come. What do you think is GonNa Change from an owner's responsibility level? And do you think that we are in communication with our trainers are we are we how much of this lies on the owners? I guess is what I'm asking is there. Is there going to be any changes in our responsibility as known? What's what's happening with our horses. I mean it all depends on your Matt. Yeah it does. I agree take a lot of you know and I am not one of these people. Look I've been in the business my whole life. I have friends an effort from from groomsman. Hot Walkers to some of the most prolific can wealthiest owners in the game. And you know. Take off all the boxes. I I'm friends with everybody. I like everybody until I don't like them I know owners that don't say two words. I know owners that are involved peripherally and I know people like Tom. A mental senior and junior who go to the sales pick out their horses drive from the Philadelphia Area Base to oak as far as oaklawn when Tim ice had their horses to watch them run I'm friends with people like Michael and Libyan perio or probably listening tonight. Who have parts or whole of thirty five to forty horses Most of them with Rudy Rodriguez and they are in constant contact with Rudy. And they give suggestions. More mostly Michael's make suggestions and has an active role in his stable. That's on you. It's your money but at the end of the day I will say this. I preached a people and have preached this from day one. Your Badge says owner. Your trainers bad says trainer for a reason but and this is a big. But if you're a game of Thrones Fan. You know ned stark's at anything before. But is is is horsing a lot. You have some culpability. It's your money. It's your investment at your horse. You need to you know if an owner tries to play a babe in the woods routinely. I'm just not on the buying. I'm not I'm not. I'm not I don't want to hear it. I really don't I e need to have some -bility I think there's going to have to be a change in the way some owners especially in the syndicates and I don't I don't mess around the syndicate set much. I think there's a good place for him. Just not for me but there has to be and I agree with you a hundred percent but now in my case. I'll tell you I have a horse down in Kentucky. The trainer sends me a bill. I know what the bill says. I go watch the horse. Run the horses and you know it didn't go from a sixteen thousand dollar claim to Kentucky Derby winner but The funny thing is I don't think I questioned enough. I don't think I question the performance. I've never never asked her any independent testing. I mean just maybe some of US trusted a little bit too much. I don't know about part of the issue with asking for extra assistance more money. Two hundred percent a hundred percent and it's easy to billionaire owners hundred million dollar owners and you know yeah they can afford it but look one of the worst. Jobs racing does is communicating to the public that most owners. Yeah it's discretionary income they're not in dire straits but you know it you're spending money. That could bicker easily. Go to other things. It's not just a total toss away and you know when you factor in expectation to spend more. I think that's unfair to most owners. It's a tough question It absolutely get your opinion as a respected Respected members of the community. And no and no one anthony. That you've you've been through it all and and we don't talk as much as we should as far as owners and all that go just something to think about for the future. I guess you had about thanks for the call. Thanks as always give us a call. We're always here. You know that you could find me on social media's well happy to continue the conversation with you because I think it's a very important conversation to have I think You know what happened last. Monday is not something that we should lose sight of In the midst of this Kobe. Nineteen outbreak Because it was a very very important day in horse racing and I think it's something that we need to keep our eye on the ball when it comes to it and we need to make sure that what happened doesn't happen again And keep moving forward from it. 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Hopefully we get a couple more calls people. Talk a little thoroughbred racing going on over at Brisbane at this week. lots of action. Now at the fairgrounds. Yeah we're opening the store We want people to check out what we have. Hopefully some new players be checking outracing with NBC covering the Louisiana Derby in partnership with TV G. And as I someone called me Thinking AP writer earlier in my Mantra Anthony. Thinking mostly feel the same. Obviously we have our allegiances to the people who founded our paychecks. And that's important but you know a time like this. I'm I'm a firm believer that a a rising tide lifts all boats and just hope we can all come together and take advantage of new is and turn them on to the sport Feels funny saying take advantage certainly don't WanNa marginalized with what some are going through and we'll go through people on the challenges we face but look the reality is I see the numbers at twin spires. A lot of people are signing up a lot. More people are using the site. I'm sure that's true across the board and racing and Let's let's a good impression. So Ra's nets making premium. Mpp Free for the fairgrounds card and our daily selections are also free Certainly checkout fairgrounds with the big race but I really encourage people to download the Santa Anita daily selections. Because they're done by Emily Gullickson and she is by far one of the best handicappers I know in terms of taking her ideas and being able to write about them in a way. That's approachable to the better. So that's free this weekend All the tracks have a crack at it certainly avail yourself to the PS and let's You know show off. What a great game. This is love it great job. I present the is it a fantastic job. It's a good thing to do get those. Pp's fire away. I'll be firing away. Be conquered now becoming to open up the the driveway table. Run the line. Get on my account gamble. Smoke CIGARS EAT little drier myself. That's it with that. What is opening the driveway? Nah Oh we've we've we've put the table out and chairs and cigars food and just put the laptop. Just fired away driveway all day long time. Let like a little bit like a tailgate. Yeah with the barbecue will probably get fired up as well. It'll be a table of one though. I'm not getting angry or you'll barbecue. Something both both at this point. I'm angry I'm hungry. The bad cop says a bad exactly exactly it is eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven. Six the number to call I really enjoyed match call just now and it was run up against a break I wanted to give some more people a chance tonight. Because I'm sure people have a lot of questions about the cancellations and A lot of questions as to what's going on But Yeah I do. I do feel like I don't want what happened last Monday to get lost in the fog here of this outbreak Because it was a very important day I think it could very well Louisiana's Nemo's important day in the history of thoroughbred racing And I'm glad he brought up the owner's part of it because I do think the owners need to pay a little bit more attention. You know the the one thing. That is a little different about this game than Anything else when when you invest your money in the stock market. Let's say I think buying horses as close to being in the stock market. That's the best example you can use. I don't know too. Many people who blindly hand their money over to a stockbroker and say go invest. This for me right. I don't I just. I can't the people I played A. 401k is right. Yes but I don't feel I feel like a lot of people don't Outta Sight Outta mind I think we're your analogy takes off. Is I absolutely no people? Just hand their money over but when Walmart has a good day. You're not taking pictures in front of Walmart like you're the owner whereas when your horse winds unless you're the guy you're the one holding up the trophy so you're gonNA take ownership in that moment to me there's some poor. Grad and all the moments poor brad skipped the preakness. I like bread. I mean look spat like you said I mean I of all in favor of it's your money spend it and enjoy it how you want so hey amen to him being able to resist all those temptations but now. I mean you know in the winter circle in good times and out that that's fine. That's I mean that's the moments you're putting the money in for but you own the horse at all times and you know for better or worse there's responsibility that comes with that. Yeah you know it's like I said the whole babe in the woods routine the if something's going on and you know there are owners out there who. I believe were lied to. I think there are plenty of people. Think owners that I too. I think there were people who stable agents if you will. I mean you know who would like to I do. They will probably some owners who will lie to buy stabilizations. Just you know But I think there has to be at the end of the day. It is an owner. It's their money and you have to have some culpability as to where you're investing your money and not just for yourself but for you know the public. I mean these horses now. Some of these horses are going to be allowed to run for thirty two hundred and eighty days. I gotTa tell you something as far as the withdrawal time for the lack of tournament. That's in the fact that this if with this suspension of What the these horses getting days about? I hope they don't punish the owners going forward and saying well. You couldn't run for three weeks so now you can't run for seven weeks you because you have to assume the owners are telling you the truth but. I do think that that has to change going forward. I mean going forward you have to ask the be liability and culpability from the groom to the Guy Paying the bill or Gal paying the bill and I don't think there's enough of it. I also think that there are times. Where a trainer is held accountable for something he or she could not have played a role in war as big a role in again ultimately. Yes if your assistant does something wrong. You employer assistant but plenty of us. Haven't listened to Boston the past and have done things beyond our bosses back whether we were right or wrong. We've done them so yeah. If trainer as assistant does something he didn't know about it she didn't know about. Should they have repercussions? Yes should they be as strong as if you were on on site now? I think there needs to be protocol that check in one of the things Matt brought up. I I live in Pennsylvania. Matt lives in Pennsylvania I call from Pennsylvania my horses in Kentucky. Well you know what designate somebody. Who is your representative in Kentucky We have Damon Thayer. My representative is David Personal. Like a personally owned horses. I'm I don't thirty horses. I listen. I live in New York City Ed. The Rosa Lives in Louisville. Ed De Rosa is my representative. He has my authorization. He's my authorized Agent Kentucky. Org Yeah you need sir. Surrogate is probably the best word for it. Yeah no question about it no questions. You can't be everywhere can't be everywhere at once. You and I are busy guy. We can't be everywhere I got. I got well I guess right now. I don't have places to go eat but typically I'm interested in the kitchen then great job as always my friend. An hour hopefully have some racing to talk about next week. Florida derby fluid again next week. Thanks to everyone Paul. Tom Jim Chris Charles John and Matt for the call. We appreciate them extra tune in all day. 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More Hidden Fireworks In The IG Report (Ep 1142)

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino on June. No a big fat Christmas. Thank you. Bear hugged tight. Thank you to everyone who listened to my interview with Congressman Devin Nunes S S. Bongino dot com person of the year. This weekend. It is still up on our youtube channel. YouTube dot com obviously slash Bongino. Thank you Joe. For Producers Folks and Paula for working on it and producer drew as well for doing a great job the interview one crazy three hundred plus thousand views listens across our platforms. We really blew up the spy gate scandal. I got more on that today. Show today some hidden. Doug it's in the report. Welcome to the Dan. Bongino show producer. Joe Merry Christmas my friend our last show before the Christmas. Sally how are you today. Hey Ho Ho Ho. Let's go go go and thanks to very good. Yeah right away. Where did I find? This can't do we. We'll have a best of show tomorrow. 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Before we get to the hidden gems in the report hat tip to Catherine Herridge now over at CBS. Or did some great work finding and teasing out some of these things tied together. I wanted to get to this story because folks Joe. How many times have we told you you? I'm not talking to my audience and the Conservatives and Republicans and then the you know fair-minded Democrats that I'm talking to the liberal nuts that listened to my show and send me emails. How many times uh-huh Jovi told you about the Bongino rule at least twenty and his last year at least twenty thirty four? What is the Bongino rule for you? Newest Bongino rule whenever you hear a story that the media tries to paint negatively on trump Republicans or conservatives and it says a viral component to it. I the juicy small lay the Covington kids volley from the James Smell. Jussie smollet equals a juicy spotlight. Whenever whatever you see a story juicy justice for juicy whatever's going on out there judge juicy take a twenty four hour minimum brick? Remember the Covington kids because the story is probably false. I have warned you repeatedly I recommend commend. Actually the Bongino reweighting seventy two hours before reporting on it. Did you notice last week while this thing was going viral on the Internet. You say what thing. Go ahead and say this story. We did not report on it. Why because we were obeying the Bongino rule whenever it's meant to reflect poorly on trump conservative republicans? Paint us all as racist whatever juicy justice for Juicy Covington all that other stuff I'm telling you there's a ninety nine percent chance to stories not true. We did did not report on this story which now you see an update at Fox News Dot Com because I suspected this story was that other hoax and we were right again. It's so there was the South Have Carolina Democratic State Rep lawmakers now facing backlash after the Army Navy personnel cleared of white power hand signal allegations. Was this story. Why didn't we report on what happened? Who is the lawmaker? Well I'll get to that at the nugget from the peace in a minute but all right there was the army navy game it was on TV. V You had the army navy personnel. The students at both West Point Naval Academy in the stands and some of our while. The video was broadcast on national. No television they were making this signal will this signal but upside I my arms. Don't work very well my elbows but you get the point. They were making that signal on TV. Well of course Joe the dopey media and the liberals including this state REP Mandy Power's nor Al from South Carolina now immediately jump to well this signal the okay sign or whatever upside down. The cadets were doing is clearly white power signal which by the way is a hoax it was an online hoax. Meant to troll liberals okay sometimes just means okay okay people have done this forever including Obama. AOC Okay The lady on TV. The Cavanaugh hearing a bunch bunch of hoaxers online. Making a joke. About how stupid to me. I'm not making this up. Did you hear this is the funniest story ever put online. That this means white power like for W and P for power it was meant as a hoax because they knew liberal idiots would pick it up which they promptly we. Did they believe the okay. Siamese wipeout it be okay or zero. This is another justice for juicy scandal. Okay so these cadets were playing the circle game on television there's you know what the circle game is supposedly. I've never done this before. But if it's a circle you get alike. Punched him or something. They were doing a circle game. So this lawmaker. Mandy power's Hurrell tweets. This is the white power simple. Well there's an infestation of white power supremacy in naval and. Oh my gosh folks. I was not reporting. Hang on this because I'm telling you knew from the start it was another hoax. Okay to Bongino rule please. I begging you. It doesn't apply to every sometimes people email me about. Why didn't you apply the Bongino row? Because it only applies to stories that are meant in this era to make it look like Donald Trump is ushering during in an era of racism and white supremacy justice juicy Covington stories those stories are meant to Donald Trump. Look what he did. These kids are attacking. This native American elder not true justice for juicy juicy was attacked in Chicago by a bunch of white power guys who really his business associates. Where so he set the whole thing up according to the Chicago? PD folks wait. Just Wayne this stories will be the bunk. Here's from from the Fox News. Report this down in South Carolina who now deleted or tweet by the way state REP Mandy Power's road three separate candidates making the white power symbol on television Asian wondering what the culture is. Like you get it. You see you see what she's doing. What the culture is like for the Cadet in the front? There's no excuse. And he and other minorities there. I shouldn't have to deal with such cruel and disrespectful environment but since her tweet appeared. US Military Academy Cadets Naval Academy Midshipmen had been cleared of wrongdoing in separate military investigations. Oh my Gosh Ladies and gentlemen please. I'm begging you just wait again. It doesn't apply to every story you know reporting on the report is out of Bongino. Ginola Edgy report. It's out some stories fact-based we know the facts. Everybody agrees on the factor. Whenever there is an interpretation of the facts justice for juicy the COVINGTON COVINGTON kids the circle game and it's interpreted by the media in a role explosion to mean? There's this big culture of racism epidemic of racist in the trump era. I'm telling you wait the story will. There's a ninety nine percent chance be debunked. Did this credit. I wanted to get to that. I feel I owe you an explanation. Why why did report on it all right? Here's some re this is just hat tip Catherine Herridge Hanover. CBS Now our twitter feed has been a gold mine of good information we went through. The Edgy Report Award candidly folks. There's so much in their me. Two seven nine lot of my other sources which the newness kind enough to give a hat tip to as well. We've had great sources. There's really so much in there. It's been hard to distill down to specific nuggets that are explosive because literally folks on every page. There's an interesting piece of information information or a firework so heritage. been doing a really really good job Katherine Harris before I get to. I just want to play this quick video. This is Kevin McCarthy on Maria Barter. Romo almost show this weekend with just a fantastic analogy now that we have the edgy report out. We've confirmed that they weren't fact. The trump campaign was in fact. Spied on this was a awesome analogy of how spy gate is Watergate. Like on wheaties and decker durant steroids. This is an explosive scandal that he sums up in like a minute or less. It's really worth you hearing. Check this out. We'll be pause for one moment. You read this report by Horowitz. Here's the FBI. They broke into president trump at the time candidate trumps campaign spied on them and then they covered it up. It is a modern day Watergate. And you've got Democrats who aren't willing to even look into that. That is the area that we should be looking at. It's a modern day coup. The closest this country's ever came to but the only way you can compare this to is Watergate. They broke into his campaign by bringing people into it. They have been trying to cover it up for the whole time time now the question arises just like Watergate who knew. When did they know it? And how high did this go up. That'd be great analogy. I'm upset at myself right. His Eh upset at myself for not thinking of its students just to be clear the media gold standard Woodward and Bernstein of scandals handles the gold standard or Joe lived through. I was a young at the time with Watergate. Remember Joe What have you talked to anybody from that era all my gosh. A couple of operatives operatives that may have been connected to Nixon broke into this hotel and to the DNC but and tried to get information. Oh my gosh well McCarthy just how is this not bigger bigger a law enforcement entity actually working for the government the FBI sent spies into a campaign to crack into their emails to crack into conversations. Asian to report on them to use it to get fight wars to continue the spying even while trump was the president of the United States. Again please explain to me how Watergate it is now the gold standard. 'CAUSE spiders Watergate is nothing on this Watergate like rob a room compared to what spy gate. Then I'm I'm glad that more establishment human figures like McCarthy holding leadership position on the Republican side of the House of Representatives are finally out there saying what needs to be said good for him. That was the great analogy. Well done I wanNA start off with. We have a lot of video today. So today's going to be more in-depth analysis because this stuff is just great again Catherine herridge she's I believe at. CBS herridge. Check her out. She comes right up on twitter. Catherine herridge doing some great work. She found a few really really fascinating nuggets. That light eight of what we already know from my reporting my sources on the show are even more interesting. Now that the edgy report is out now. These screen shots. I'm about to show you and for our podcast listeners. I'm I'm going to read to you from the G. Report to be clear from her twitter feed out of respect for her highlights in there some stuff. She found really interesting that when I read through it I thought Oh my gosh yes. She's absolutely right in light of what we already know all right. Let's get discreet. Shot number one from the IDC report. With Catherine Herridge is highlights. This is about Jim. Komi and Komi Joe cannot get out of his own way. This guy has lied to you from day. One we now know. He lied documented that he lied and he still continues tin used to portray himself as judge. Janine calls him as Cardinal Komi and Sean Hannity calls them the Super Patriot. The Guy Latest Germany. I don't know any other way to tell you. This is just simply simply a discredited liar. Here we go. Let's look at the edgy report. From Catherine Herridge is information here. She highlights this port. From the EDGY report quote. Jim Komi told the Office of Inspector General that he informed president-elect trump that the F. B. I did not know whether the allegations were true or false talking about the dossier and that the F. B. I.. Listen and was not investigating them. This is in regards to the January anywhere. Seven Twenty Seventeen Meeting Ladies and gentlemen. This is not true Komi is lying. He is unquestionably notably telling you a known documented falsehood. He told president trump to be crystal clear that he was not investigating dossier or the allegations in the dossier as of January seven twenty-seven. Let's look motive. Motive Matters Ladies and gentlemen motive isn't always this positive or the lack thereof robin a criminal case just to be clear. Joe Robbed The bank and I find this motive. Great if I don't I got video Joe Robbing a bank. It doesn't matter whether I know the motive or not right right joke and say hey. Space Aliens told me to do but he's still robbed the bank but motive helps motive helps in getting co-conspirators locked up. If Joe Says Buddy told them to do it well now. We want to investigate the buddy to combs motive for lying. Here is irrelevant at this point. We know we did it. We may never get to the bottom. Was it that he hated trump. which seems likely was that that he was totally incompetent? Who knows but call me is clearly suggesting here that on January seventh of two thousand seventeen when he briefed President trump up about the dossier that he told trump? He was not getting the charges. That is false. I'm going to get to another screen. Shot from Catherine Herridge in a minute. That proves it's false but I want to show you it's false book before. And after that they were investigating the dossier before which commies already admitted. I think Jim call me. I'm not kidding folks actually forgotten. I'm what he told people that's why he lies. They were investigating the dossier before in an almost unprecedented fashion. Desperate to prove it was true. And before I get to that part the January part what have I told you on this show repeatedly over and over and over again about combing folks the FBI is is interviewing one of Steele's primary sources in January of twenty seventeen right. Is this briefing and all the stuff is going on with President Trump commies always telling trump. They're not investigating it. Why were you interviewing Christopher Steele primary source? Joe would that fall under the not investigating steel uh-huh category interviewing steel sources just. I'm just throwing that out there. Christmas too correct. Yeah you're smarter Man Than Komi. I know I'm not messing with. You would consider that investigating correct. Yes I would. So thank you Joe. So we slagging they were investigating steals primary. Hi Mary sub sources that he said he was using for his and the sub sources telling them this is all craft in January. Has this is going on these. These briefings now. You may say well Dan maybe he meant when he told trump this that they weren't investigating it going forward our or maybe he meant they hadn't investigated it in the past and they were going to investigate going forward. No that's not what he meant. He was lying again when they investigated steele dossier going forward and found nothing and in the past investigating. Engaged it too. Here's another nugget from Catherine Herridge. She defies the edgy report. Which is brilliant? Some remember Commie tells trump. We're not investigating steelers dossier all garbage. Don't worry about it uh-huh okay quote I g report in November and December of two thousand sixteen before the January briefing trump. Where where he tells them Komi tells them? We didn't investigate this stuff in November and December two thousand sixteen. FBI officials traveled abroad and met with persons who previously recently had professional contacts with steel or knowledge of his work. According to Peter Stroke one of the purposes of the trip was to obtain information regarding steal the from persons with direct knowledge of steals work related performance in prior positions. Ladies and gentlemen. This guy is a level one BS artists. No No. Let's keep our lower categories consistent especially with tedious level sex tedious level six is the highest level of trump derangement syndrome. I don't where we got that. It just became a six out of nowhere. Sounds because this is level six level insanity here the highest level of is he's forgetting. I'm not kidding. Ah Call me forgetting what he told people his investigators or he did when traveled abroad nearly in an unprecedented manner to try to verify. I steals information. Came up empty-handed then interviewed steel source in January. And yet he's telling president trump. Why now again? Ah The motive in as a legal proceeding doesn't matter it's explanatory. Only what matters in illegal for seeing that you do it or not. Can we prove it right right. But it is explanatory for putting together a larger picture of what's going on here. Why motive then getting back to motive wise Komi briefing president trump? That don't worry the dossier salacious unverified in January of two thousand seventeen and telling him we're not investigating any of it. Think this one through Joe Miss Go. Further my fifth grade teacher. God rest are so used to save shoutouts. Put your thinking caps on folks. Okay Miss You. Kids exactly founded by the way the whole Adam's apple apple thing okay so if you put your thinking cap a why would Komi do that. Why why is he trying to take the temperature down on Donald Trump? Who suspects now that he is the president now that he's the president-elect and it's getting briefings he's not a smart guy he's not stupid? President trump suspects. He's under investigation for something. He didn't do well folks. It's obvious Komi is now desperate. In mid November remember December and January to prove at least some component of the dossier is true. They're coming up empty handed everywhere. They're starting to realize this thing is hoax so in a race against time before Donald Trump takes the office of the Presidency Joe and calls him out Komi on investigating a hoax. Wchs remember they hit at Donald. Trump's swearing-in is only days away by Jan January. Seven twenty seven. Yeah they're in a race against time to approved some of the dossiers. True justify their illegitimate spying actors before Donald Trump takes the reins swearing-in whereas it becomes the commander in chief himself. So call me wants to calm him down and take likely again a motive. I'm speculating on to be fair. But I'm speculating. Based on a fair amount of evidence that I believe comas trying to take the temperature down here so trump is hot about what's happening and doesn't say to his staff. Hey I want answers and I want him now. He wants trump to go back to a staff and say auto worry. The bureau said it was all a hoax. They didn't do any investigation into it. Why right because well why impersonal trump? Well Komi told me. They didn't take it seriously. They didn't investigate the dossier or anything like that commes lying. He lied the trump showing you. You were history of deception with this guy. He's a snake he's always been a snake. It's now obvious. This report paints a clear picture of a troubled man leading the most powerful federal law enforcement agency anywhere in the history of humankind with unprecedented surveillance powers. Folks there's no this of all the segments image we've done this is the easiest to understand. He's lying to trump to get trump to stop sniffing out the trail. Don't worry president trump. There's no or president-elect trump there's no trail trail we're not investigating this he's lying the IDC report is crystal clear. He is making this up. Oh Ho Ho Daniel. I'm sorry already but bag poop for Christmas. We're going to say coal but yeah the PU parts definitely a little worse. That was the open it up. That bad Gabriella rough around or I got more I got more. I'd rather get the coal uh-huh Catherine herridge found another the sweet nugget in the report that I'm going to relate back. Act some other stuff we talked about. It's GonNa show you again how this was a black op. Intel operation clearly from the start but the Intel operation. Ladies and gentlemen. I believe leave was a two way street which is very bad. I'll get to that in a second. Some of you already know what. I'm two seven nine money on this. Help me out this point all right before we get to that today show also. But he's at lending club when the club. You GotTa go to the club. Ladies and Gentlemen Lending Club for decades. Why do you need to go to lending club? 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Dan Check your rate in just minutes and borrow up to forty thousand dollars. That's lending club dot com slash. Dan Lending Club dot com slash. Dan Get rid of those high interest. Credit Card payments lending club dot com slash. Dan All loans made by webbank member. FDIC equal housing lender lending club dot com slash. Dan Okay there's another other takeaway in here from Catherine Herridge and I wanted this folks. This is going to be that other segment was easy to understand. Call me a liar yeah. He's trying to talk trump off the ledge because there's trump investigating Komi so call me lie to draw. We're not investigating the dossier sure you are. You already said raging thirty seven. You're we know. Oh you interviewed a source. This is a little more complicated but just of this not bury the lead here. Put the Headline Front Is Ladies and gentlemen. This was clearly an intel up a a set up on Donald Trump. Okay what's the breaking news eighty but talking about that for two and a half years. Wow Ladies and gentlemen this Intel appears to have been an Information Exchange Ladies and gentlemen. That is very very dangerous. Why because folks and Joe Inisia- put the audience on buzzed? Manhattan here Buddy. Okay okay. If you're getting information from an Intel Source Intel source that says Joe is working with a foreign government. Here's the information nation I have and then you go and check that information. Joe Gibbs few JOE's and Intel source of spy and ninety nine percent of Joe's Information Asian is wrong and then you feed it back to the Intel source and kind of alive exchange and he modifies his information to give view back new information with the corrections you made oh not the Intel source the spy and then you say look despise despised right Joe. He checked his information. Any found out new information. You see how that might be a little bit of an issue kiss. He's you say right. Yeah yeah these art. Do you really serious. 'cause through its case and you bad information correct. Yeah sure corrected by you. And you're saying look. He corrected his information. He's so smart. You corrected it yes the FBI folks. This is not supposed to be a two way street when it comes to this stuff. If they're feeding you information they're swearing is legitimate. Then why do they need you to tell you it's legitimate again. Hats Catherine Herridge here is the third takeaway from the report again. This is her highlights on you. But but this is just a gem that feeds into theory. We've had for a long time footnote. Three twenty three. This is up there with footnote four sixty one as a gem and this. This is her handwriting as well footnote. Three Twenty three twenty three quote. Peter Stroke said that he believed that the FBI also may have furnished the steel the election reports to the intelligence service of a friendly farm and government. But he did not have specific recollection of it. Wait wait wait wait wait wait so now stroke believes the FBI agent vest and trump that they're taking steals information which again I believe. He's getting some of this from intelligence services from foreign countries. which is the problem of itself and I'll get to that in a second here and maybe maybe from US two steals feeding the FBI information? That's bogus the bureau is and feeding this in a in a circle of idiots back to other foreign intel services that are what what are they doing using it to verify their own information folks. Are you seeing house where you start to circle of imbecile information where you is irrelevant. So let's start with steel steel putting together this dossier feeds it. FBI agents F. B. I.. Agents and feed it back to Intel agents friendly foreign governments. FIFG's newness interviews week instead. It's very suspicious in it of itself that designation. Why are we calling him friendly foreign governments? He's never heard that before. who were but then what feeding it back to steal to check his information you get it? Yeah Foreign Intel Christopher Steele FBI FBI Foreign Intel Christopher Steele FBI FBI folks. nope this is not how this is supposed to work. Circle of lies circle of light. Now you know what I'm not saying thing is that the F. B. I. and Foreign Intel aren't allowed to and I'm not knocking. All of them is obviously patriots and all these countries that do great work. I'm not what I say idiots I've talked with V8's in this case. I've always said this spy story for idiots and it's true the way you may say okay now we pretty much understand. That's the way it's supposed to work. You're not supposed to fact. Check your spy and get new information you fact check it. That's your fact. Check that you pretend came from him. The way it should work is this steele gets information from what he claims her foreign sources the FBI vets the information the the FBI finds out. The information is false. It doesn't then pass the information on the Foreign Intel. What does it do Joe? It goes back to steal and says listen. I'm sorry but we can't use you. Your information is wrong. This is not accurate. We're going to have to pass this onto a FIS adjudge that your information is unreliable. Reliable then maybe steel comes back later if eastern authentic source and says you. Don't tell them what he did then. He fact that that he just comes back up the same garbage. Maybe he comes back later with new information. You say okay. This is a little better. That's not the way any any of this works folks. I'm trying to think of an analogy when I was in the secret service. If you have a source that comes in and says there's a guy selling counterfeit money you know whatever in talking when I was in the Long Island office and the guy comes in and you go and hit the house and the guys like what are you talking about like you knock on the door. I've never met this guy in my life. You do a bunch. Gotcha fact checks. You find out the stories totally made up. It's just a disgruntled neighbor. You don't go back and then feed the information to the source and say. Hey here's what I learned about your neighbor. He's really really a nice guy. He's got a couple accounts in the bank over at Ab Bank and then the source comes back again. Lied about the neighbor goes. Hey I found out. He's got accounts. It's an empty bag. They may be counterfeit. That's not how any of this words. Hey to me. It's like a back door way of making corrections in other words. Oh Chris send something up. Jimbo robbed a bank. Pink Pants on. Juries Ed Jim Chris Elliot. He wore red pants. Oh Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah Red Pants. Let me a a bit that to you and there you go guys great this source. He knows he has red pants now. Yeah exactly or you go. It's not supposed to be alive. Time fact Checker for your source right right right. Oh man now why am I bringing this up now. Well that footnote is astounding. Stroke is sharing unverified unverified gossip bar talk according to steal zone sources with a friendly foreign government who's probably assuming joe that it has the imprimature of the US government now that they're sharing another one thinks legit Suri friendly foreign government. Wow Man. Let's double down on steals information. Why does this matter? Well I want to show you I in FBI document and this this is where it gets a little complicated but again it's Spice Story for idiots not for you idiot idiot stadiums. Who did it? You'll figure it out this FBI document. I documents commenced relationship between the State Department official Kathleen Kavulich Bruiser. Put that up for a second. This is from an FBI duck. BROUSSARD advised Kathleen Kavulich. She was deputy assistant secretary. Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs State Department that would be. He'd be meeting with redacted representatives in order to discuss potential Russian influence incident coming presidential election or reminded the interviewing agents Cadillac did speak with steel several times prior to the two thousand sixteen presidential election. Believe Steele's reported you've been generated from mainly and that's redacted I believe it says mainly Russian sources What does that mean a lot of fancy talk in an FBI document for saying the number four official in the Justice Department? Bruiser whose wife is working you're working for fusion. GPS working for Hillary Clinton is for some bizarre reason working with a State Department official with no law enforcement powers at all Kathleen Kavulich that State Department officials job is what Joe to do. Diplomacy emplo- AC- with foreign governments notably in the region governing Russia and other areas. Page drainage. Why is it justice? Department official talking to diplomat. Who may be doing liaison work with foreign governments? By the way justice officials wife is working for the company hired by Hillary Clinton and a State Department official cavalier who is connections to people who work with the Clintons. Because Ladies and gentlemen again it is a circle of Imbeciles self-correcting and exchanging shing information. They haven't verified. What do you mean? Justice Department wife's work for fusion. GPS meeting with this Kathleen Cavalier. Who else who else met with Kathleen Catholic flick? Oh Christopher Steele who strokes indicating whose information may have been shared with friendly foreign governments notably Catholic was probably talking to you. Let's go to this. Here are the handwritten notes of Kathleen Cavalier. Who met with Christopher Steele? Remember the date on October. Eleven eleven twenty sixteen right before they get the warrant to spy. Look at this hand written note. You'll notice down. This is the handwritten notes Kathleen Kavulich takes while she's interviewing. Christopher UAE is a State Department official interviewing and FBI spy FRY. That's working for that. Used to work for a foreign governor. Why because it's an information laundering operation? That's why there's a not an clear as day you can see right here. Colwyn PROC doc meaning steel told Kathleen. Cavalier remember the date on October. Eleventh of two thousand sixteen something about trump's lawyer Michael Cohen. I'm going to Prague to do what to take payments for the alleged collusion scandal between the trump campaign and the Russians right. Remember what the dossier a indicates I'M GONNA show you pieces of dossier in a minute that again feed into the lead here that this should not have been a two way street where we feeding information back to steal and back to foreign governments Joe Jr said are automatically self-correcting to make the information seem more legit Agip because the sources could never get anything right. What is Cohen progress to do with it? So the allegations dossier's at Michael Cohen goes to Prague to to to coordinate this whole Russian collusion scheme trump's lawyer. I want you to look at this October. Nineteenth dated dossier steals dossiers to the FBI that they use the spy on trump. And I want you to read this very specific part. Two seven nine the Kremlin insider. This is the one that that supposedly given steal. Information was unsure the identities of the officials. With whom Michael Cohen met secretly in August or the exact dates and locations of the meetings important October nineteen twenty 2016. Christopher Steele owned dossier says it. He's unsure of where the meeting took place where the collusion collusion thing was going to be hatched and paid for but Joe I just showed you Kathleen caveats notes from October eleventh eight days earlier. Where clearly when she's interviewing steel steel says co in Prague? It's in our notes from Steel Ladies and gentlemen what Else Elsa readers surmised from that they're Kathleen Catholics handwritten notes literally of what steals telling her interview so on October Eleventh Steal. All of a sudden knows about Cohen. PROG put on a memo dossier memo dated October nineteenth. He's unsure the location. Why are you unsure? Is Somebody checking this for you. All no I mean someone is somewhat in the US government working with a foreign spy working with Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele and fact checking is information. Let me walk you through a possible. Granted scenario here so steel tells CAV lack on October. Eleven that this whole thing is being coordinated by trump's lawyer in Prague October nineteenth unsure again where it's happening according to his sources but then on October twenty. Not At this happens here is another dossier memo then next day or dated. The next day Kremlin insider reports awards trump lawyer Cohen secret meeting with Kremlin officials in August twenty sixteen was held in Prague. Now he knows again. Joe You see this is crazy yet. Yeah here's the PROG. There's no cog products out progress in Prague is back we need like a Broadway musical musical about the Coen promptings. Here's a pepper. There's a pepper everywhere. PROC fear progress out products. God prog seed. It's back again. I've been to progress beautiful by the way best security service I've worked with I went. There is a secret service agent loved it. Those guys had their act together speculate for a moment if I may about what may be going on here now that we know that the FBI likely transmitting steals information back to friendly foreign governments governments who I believe are given information steals giving it back to the FBI in a circle of stupid so steel comes and he's talking to cavalier is hey man. In this Cohen thing went down and prog coordinated this whole thing trump and the Russians collusion. Oh Man Cavalier who we know through our notes is doing some checks because in her not. She indicates she's checking foreign travel records. What if Cadillac Joe Checks tax or some other system when federal system about Coen's travel records occurs? And they come up with no Michael Cohen in Prague. Does that get back to steal. who then October nineteenth revises his memo? Hey listen. We don't know where the meeting happened. But then there's somebody else like a friendly foreign government who's probably getting hold of this information from the State Department. Does a friendly foreign government come back to say no no. We think we've got it now. We think we checked another system and Cohen was in so then the next day he revises it back again folks Kavulich like was checking travel records. It's in her notes. My guests here again. This is speculation but I think will be. I don't think there's one major ager. Spy Gate Bombshell. We've missed. I'm not kidding. Maybe what about the horse trade show. I'm not so sure anymore. That's I think that's changed because of the impeachment thing and the Democrats being more devious than I thought. I'm reasonably confident that this was due to an information exchange change and that someone feeds back to steal. Hey we're not so sure. That's the same Michael Cohen in Prague. Ladies and Gentlemen Michael Coco Dan. Bongino thankfully is a very common name. It's great for branding because there's only I believe one Dan Bongino anymore on facebook or anyone else. There may be another the one maybe a Dan Bongino Ladies and gentlemen. Michael Cohen is an unbelievably common name. Probably on par with Brown or Smith. Last it's very common extremely common. May I suggest to you that a check is done on Michael Collins name they find out it's the wrong Cohen Michael Cohen in Prague. And then someone comes back to steal with their own check and in an effort to push theo back towards more firm ground on this. No No. We're pretty sure that's him. Well what makes you say that. Then they were certain uncertain certain again. Member the mcclatchy report those is to reporters that were getting leaks from the Intel community mcclatchy report. That said No. No Michael Cohen cell phone was in Prague. Where did that come from cell cellphone pangs for Michael Cohen and progress that come from that come from us or did that come from a friendly foreign government after they got word that a check of our own system system? That Cohen wasn't in prod. Folks do you understand this joe so just terrifically spelled out there and I hope we did to that. That's why this two way street of Intel is dangerous if a source a source. He's going to present to you information. You can verify if you can't verify he's not a source source if your lifetime fact checking him allowing him this right about prog `unright about progress again. It gives the appearance in front of a judge at the guy's Information Asian is verified. When in fact it's not verified? It's you doing the verification not the source in other words police state spying. We're we're just using sources that say anything and we're fact checking to make sure they get to the marriage. We want not the narrative actually told US I can't believe people are falling for this and by the way I'm actually stunned because we picked up on this me and two seven benign and others actually tipped him because this was really this was his baby. I'm actually stunned. Nobody else's picked up on this. I pitched pitched people. They won't run. How is it that Christopher Steele to- Kathleen Catholic on October eleven? That Cohen went to Prague to coordinate this and wrote a memo just eight days later on October nineteenth owners known as the dossier one of the memos that Sarah No folks. That's a big big deal. Do you understand. Steel suggested this dossier that Cohen going to Prague was the centerpiece of the whole scam. That Cohen was coordinating. This for trump put the Russia's in proud ladies that didn't happen which you didn't the whole collusion story is a hoax. How is nobody catching onto this? And it still revises his story story the next day. Anybody else find that weird he was in Prague. We don't know he was in Prague again. Now we know now in light of that new footnote Catherine Herridge put on her twitter feed now. I think we've got a better story as to why that's happening. Live time fact checking folks. Isn't that great Badgen out. A case against Barack Obama you're investigating Obama and the IRS Kaliev a source that Obama personally family ordered every conservative group. Imagine that happened every conservative cuban-american it'd be targeted by the IRS. Just imagine this and we investigated him by the way. Ah Did target these conservatives but just imagine put yourself reverse the roles Democrats if you're listening for me at the FBI says they have a source and the source who claims to have. The Obama. Emails keeps revising story and the emails are actually not from Barack Obama but from Joey Obama a different guy totally and then they revised don't say that came from from Obama. It didn't come out at any changes story. No came from Joey. Oh Baba but I have other information about Obama your whole stories garbage dude your whole story crazy man. I don't know how nobody else's catching onto this all right our last day. I've got some mortgage Eric and a Great Wall Street Journal. Our last big question about the muller probe that again. Nobody's asking trying to keep this big picture on Monday right before the holidays today. Show finally buddies at genucell genucell. I used genucell with my black is finally gone away. It helps my skin us before you get on the ladies and gentlemen. This is the last chance for Chamonix is Christmas and holiday sale time is running out on Chamonix best promotion of the year imagine the Double Chin and Turkey Neck Gone God with the famous genucell to genucel treatment with MD L. Technology. I'm sorry I got it. I love it as Turkey next getting better and better your your Turkey neck and your vocalized. 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They aren't always on our side and a lot of conservative issues but they do a decent job I guess you could categorize them kind of moderate Republicans but they have a fascinating article. If they've done a really good job with spiky especially Kim Strassel Joe really really really work I love it too. She's just nailed it to the wall. But they ask a big question this op ed today. That again as incredibly even the hacks in the media escaped scrutiny by most people. Here's a headline from the Wall Street Journal piece about the Muller probe which I think we should off and they kinda to answer the question. They asked Robert Muller's Dossier Dodge while she journal editorial board they asked the question. Why did the special counsel not tell America that Christopher Christopher steals information was false folks if we now know this is how the show ties back? We've everything together her. That Komi lied to the president. said they weren't investigating the dossier we now know they were in mid November and December. We know they actually send people people overseas to try to verify. This came up with a big fat goose egg. Nothing they know by November December. Right after the first FIS award in October October the FIS awards issue November December. They know this is false at the latest the latest January of twenty any seventeen the latest Komi and his FBI interviewing steel sources. Who tells them this thing is garbage? It's bar talk crap. It's gossip muller is not appointed ladies and gentlemen until five months later in May of two thousand Seventeen Muller knows from the start. This thing is Joe's Christmas gift of human waste AIDS garbage. Yeah it's he knows mothers not stupid so the journalists the question. Well what the heck was doing. Why was he beaver? What were we investigating investigating so the journal answers? Its own question whether it's only two possible scenarios and the only reason I bring it up is because I know self-praise thanks but I brought this up muller was appointed in May that Muller's job was what Joe to say the reputation I should've the FBI cleanup man. Yeah excuse me. Yeah Muller's only job in May investigate collusion folks. He knows it's a hoax. He knows it's a hoax. Forget it Muller knows the minute he's appointed the whole thing so what's he doing. He is desperately remember the revised scope memo where he guests the August second mammals. And we believe it includes things that include investigating the dossier. Why is Rod Rosenstein given the power to investigate the dossier Joe because they're a desperate to believe it's true and they say listen? Komi couldn't verify in December November and January. Maybe you can Bob. Here's a you you know. Twenty thirty million dollar budget go prove this dossier true and the member of that group that Liberal Group. That's paying the former Senate staffer Dan Jones Who still trying to verify the dossier when Muller's appointed folks? They were desperate. That's the first answer the question they were desperate to save the reputation to the FBI. How by proving Joe at least one key element of this dossier that led to the Pfizer? What was true and they couldn't do it because it was all a hoax? So Muller is buying time and the second thing they conclusion they come through Weisman Muller's bulldog hates. Trump does so weisman and muller in this. Is this Dream Team of buffoonery. Go out for months a year over a year to desperately try to prove at least one element of this dossier true so they can say what Joe my bad the FBI screwed up but at least this was true yet and they keep it going forever ver- with the hope and a prayer that trump will be impeached due to media and liberal pressure before they have to come to the written conclusion which they do in the end that the whole thing. The collusion thing is a hoax. But they knew it the whole time ladies and gentlemen it is a total complete farce. All right what quick story before we go another story in the Wall Street Journal about tax cut lies Legem some good news the economies motoring along trump's tax cuts are doing great work Gary Cohen Cohen. Kevin Hassett who worked with the trump administration have a great op. Ed How tax reform is delivered for Workers in the Wall Street Journal today. And what are the takeaways. And I just wanted to make sure you understood is everything you've been told about this as a lie. Ladies and gentlemen trump tax cuts are destroying the middle class and lower income workers. That's not true. Ladies and gentlemen. It's totally made up it's fabricated. Here's a quote from the piece. The number striking over the past year nominal wages for the lowest liberals listen up lowest ten percent of American earners. I'm not gonNA markers jumped seven percent. The growth rate for those without a high school diploma was nine percent in other words. Ladies and gentlemen people in the lower income income categories low-wage earners are the ones benefiting the most from the trump tax cuts everything. You've been told by the Democrats is alive. Look at this chart from the Wall Street Journal. Paula reminded hi Debbie. This morning that we had from last week now I know charts are hard for liberals. I'll explain it to you audio listeners. There's a blue line of average hourly earnings going going up. Blue Line represents low wage industries. There's a Tan line middle wage industry wage growth and a yellow line for high wage industries. Ladies and gentlemen who had the biggest wage growth the Blue Line wage industries. Ladies Gentlemen for those watching on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Bongino low low-wage industries here. Wade's growth high-wage industries here. 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Chris Kongo vs Luther ClayWinner Could Be A Potential Terence Crawford Opponent

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Chris Kongo vs Luther ClayWinner Could Be A Potential Terence Crawford Opponent

"Intended for mature audiences, the views and opinions expressed those are the panelists and do not reflect anyway those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For, Boxing Voice Hey Daddy. Donald. To say. Stay. Hungry stay. Off. Remain with. This is. Just wanted to go on a great boxing. Awful talk show. Of His. Own. Afraid. Tyson I became. Different. Be. Crazy. Of Me. As you said so she. Welcome, Back Ladies and Gentlemen Welcome back, July Twenty Ninth Second Morning Edition Catered a bit to the UK as our UK hosts coach Midi seven zero. Seventy one I think in Queensbury boxing or whatever. But he's like he's like one hundred. In Boorda wars and you know he knows Chris Congo. And he's telling us we got to keep an eye out on Chris but what makes it interesting as luther clay is the European wb Yo. Champion, which elevates these gentlemen closer to a shot at terrence bud. Cross. Crawford. Who is the WBO welterweight champion yes. We are talking the welterweight division. These to happen to be across the pond and we're putting you on them slightly sooner just in case one of these guys become that potential opponent for but also because many believes that you know Congo is the goods. Oh. Let me go on out to the CO host we're doing something different. So that was your introductions. No more shows Mario dooming. Ness because he just got the whole. UK Show popping. Not In have. I saw the title and I was like Bro the Manchester Mario thing I'm coming at them. So I just typed in cities in the UK that start with the end. And I was GONNA assume. For Nottingham. Morio Nottingham Nez I thought it'd be funny I. Guess it didn't land. It's all right the king of Wessex. I've heard the I've heard the stiff silence on stage trying to do comedy so I'm used to. That that's what you need when you need like you know for sure that Cato's for everyone man, you know, yeah you as representing the chat. So you have and you have to put people onto UK prospects when ally. They're going to be potential opponents for someone that we know here in America I'd rather know them before they're in the big fight and then discredit yes because I don't know them in the big. Know like if I, it's true I don't know you know who the hell is with Klay. He's Crawford. Cherry picking and it's like that's not what I want to say that's lack of education. So this is sin for those people that are being Harley Oh man is UK bombs or whatever it is that you got on your mind I. This is education. This is all it is. Committed to tell us right because I think, Congo trains out of your Jim more you just know. Whites. Now he's very close to well is from South Lebanon? All the like neighborhoods like Ron Brixton Bergonzi. So that knows where you know my Jimmy's in Peckham and is a local red. So I've seen him a few times in my gym but it doesn't turn out of my Jimmy trend make now most notably you guys might have heard of like a Jim in in Brixton Begins Jim. Quite a few good prospect like is I. Chamblee is a product of the Jim Chris Congo Productivity? Jim. And I know him and I interact with him so. But yeah when I, what can I tell us like don't be fooled by resume and stuff like that right? You know there are some some people that are not making like that much of a splash because of you know the politics of right. So you get big names all the time. But things looking good for him though like you know assigned to deviant deleon white management recently. So you you said something about the resume. I. Mean the record and I was like Oh he's going to twenty six, one, hundred like the guy that. I never seen that in my life, but I see I have actually seen that in the heavyweight division but I'm sorry Midi. Let me ask you a question because I've seen pictures I've seen clips, videos He looked super athletic and he looks like a really hard puncher. Am I am I on something would It is. But again, like I don't WanNa see like really hard puncher because he has to translates in in resume. When you see the really really heartburn show would be like eleven and new and eleven knockouts which I think. Is. And I don't WanNa do. Little Komen. Tell you he's body. Sure he's a body for sure I like the way he goes digs to the body man. Yeah he is clip he's talking about to yeah he right where he was digging no no I've seen I see five hundred pound bag now seen them in a fight with. Traits. Yeah. It was Goma and most gourmet was a smaller fighter shorter fighter and and the Congo was taller. It just impressed me the way he being taller fight of the way he would you know bend down and go to the body on the smaller guy you know and he would do it very well, and he and he places shots pretty good and he did look a little slick look or slick stor but it looks like you know he he can land punches on you and and and probably over you. Combination. So, has been. I'm sorry Hash men in the comments section says that he likes Chris Congo he used to box with them in amateur jim very talented fighter but he feels like he's not ready for Crawford Of course. We're talking Crawford Right. So let. Let people just lake make their strategy, and like you said, it's like sometimes peaking a belts. Is a blessing, but I descend time it just puts unified line may be too quickly especially in that great your back kind of like lockdown they kind of match that we're getting today you GONNA have people we've like. You'RE GONNA have people with W Bill European stripes that. Necessarily we didn't get shot but now get a shot because you want someone who has like a little bit of. of. How? And as far as you coach meeting because he is. A friend of yours and you've seen him in the gym you know what? He's about How far is ready from that? You know that From, the. Crawford's probably a little ways out. Back. A step up, you know maybe the fighter there be level fighter what I wanted and I think it would be ready like very soon we'll find out after this fight right if he comes through Loofah what I'd like to see him is like into domestic kind of fights we've names night. Kennedy's Joe. Skinny is a name that is very, very possible implausible for him because when we talk about the amateur pedigree, those guys seen each over on the amas seen right so and again is going to come and talks about. Bang. Yeah. But Candy Kelly is a dude it perceives themself as an aside. I would like to see Chris. You know if he can be this Luther Klay Guy that I've never heard of. I would rather see him fight a guy like Joe Joe. Dan. Frankie Gavin. Those are welterweight start demanding how old is he? Is Out of the picture. Governor. Not Active anymore but I mean you're right law I'll just been. Hey. Sto- you. But at the same time, look here's what I'm going to say about that. Okay. Even. If we don't know Luther, we know boxing we all know what this is. He's being setup as the a side we know what that means. So if Chris were to come in here and get that win, we know what that means as well. That means that everybody overlooked this guy s w everybody exactly my man right? They're coming in clutch with the. Sound Board but real quick though I didn't get a chance to ask your because I thought of it on the fly while we're gone the break I just pulled up like three or four questions that we used to ask a modified him a little bit of like the get to know you questions. So you think Chris will be cool with with asking that. Should be cool. Man You. Sit. Address. Saturday media, central texts on using him, or you could go ahead and Adam because you're part of the call you can adam if you know it. Is Not been added because we just went and on him but you did say eleven anyway. So he's got three minutes but just for context. Kerman and Lee high. Gua. DOT WHO BE? He loss or beat. Avanesian. Right. Let me see. Adeniji, he did. He did lose avenue twice so that guy. Yeah. He's also signed to develop this Guy Kerman Leandra from. He. Frankie Gavin two years ago. So mid, he's right. He's he hasn't fought since two thousand eighteen, but that's not to Joe Dan that's not too far removed. You can definitely get him back for if they want to invest in clay, right if they want to invest in clay. Yeah, you can get him in there. Joe Joe Dan Lewis. C.. I'll checking in these these tools names out 'cause Kelly Brook face those names and it's like look Dane. He might be out of seventeen. Genes. You'll every time I, go to boxer and I see Joe Joe Dan's will name. It's like the first time I see what I don't even know how to pronounce that. I? His his I'm not at all. Telling you right now if you're I mean obviously everybody knows Joe. Joe Dan Right that's listening. But if you've never gone to his boxer goes boxer, I swear to God, his name is I o nut. In not standing on what about busy a Kevin Busy Oh. Damn. Yo That's how you know that cal resumes met up all made up all the guys he faced are retired like all the guys he beat David. Help brotzman fighting for a long time. Of course, they would be able to fight and nobody's. Because you know what that is that's just shows it s Only recently started paying attention to UK boxing at that now recently but like over the past four or five years Oh. Wow this. Does. They all retired and actually is Joe Dan from Canada from Romania or is he from what? No? He's not. In shape coast and cheng-kuo. My guys entangled retired too I mean I guess nationality everyone's retired. I didn't even know that that's crazy. There's a Fatah retire. Safazadeh nine. Versus Hondo. In he went back. WHAT'S UP I'm writing notes and just missed it to me. Is said an is joining the chat now. So I believe we have Chris Snow on the. They're is yeah, he's there. On Turn This catalog. On. Second where we at We give to telling you come round. Men Don't don't really do your thing and we'll come to you trust second. Are using I duNno. Career. Was Gone. And how much bench with gestures. Carved out a stone look at that I'm. Guessing you're ready. Won't you get your phone and turn it sideways? Yes. All those. Cameron probably doesn't know. He's got it on lock. He's got. Locked that's all right. Go, ahead and. Again. It's fine. Blow there. We go. You now. Let me find out you got to draw it over there you working withdraw. Would you know? Bra. You gotTa Broth get under some light man you need some light over there. Check something one second maybe some safe. The window face window not with the window to the back of you maybe to work. There you go now much now we can see him now we know what he looks like. Nobody stopping. So how are you brother? I'm good I'm good. Not Bad. How are you? I'm good man I mean I'm excited for you. This is definitely A WBO European title. It takes a step closer to a world title We don't know anything about Luther. Klay. Obviously coach Midi put us on he beat Freddie. He's letting us. Know you are the guy? So yeah, man we wanted to get you want just. Find out a little bit about tomorrow. Don't you got like three questions you want to yet I wanna do that as at the end though after we get the boxing out of the way. Okay. Okay. So tell us how you got started in the sport. A star with Martini brothers he were books in beforehand. So our go to older brothers. So when I was a kid I used to go to the gym meals Kinda like a youth club. So I was mainly downstairs upstairs was the boxing gym and then over the last couple of months, I just started finding myself no books in Jim and then from then it just will will turn into books in really. So yeah, that's how I started. and Go, ahead, go ahead I'm sorry crews like I mean like it's good to know how you started and all that. Obviously you know they call you to sleep for the reason I could talk to us about night you know how that nickname came about and maybe transition of to what you did in the amateurs as Wellman. Okay. Yeah. So as an amateur started off. Our eleven when I go I, don't myself? one one, the golden gloves, the the school as which is what is called wonder schoolboys became number one in the UK wanted genius became a non one in the U. K. one day use became number one in UK and I just built myself and then as a as a senior when I transitioned in myself Named T. Slick come about the support that was actually the books in show saw books against the guy from We all know the army guys have a good reputation of being very fit condition by a winning the eaglets need couldn't lay a glove. It was actually the crowd that was charged him. With short into and. Out there when I, when I wanted to cry and go out the ring low the people as action cue to take on them, sign sign autographs because he will actually like a dinner show to wasn't lack of purple books. He shows more in the show for a few of the guys that like old old school guys from the army have now retired on. Their families down and stuff. So yet also the name comes from. So Chris Lemme ask you how excited are you to fight in the backyard for less for for lack of a better word you know the events are about to kick off the Saturday You know we've seen the footage seen the pictures it looks amazing and so how excited are you to be a part of something extremely rare and and quite unique innovative. Innovative to our maiden. I'm very excited. I've been lady in for opportunity for a long time. Of obviously, our been out during for sixty months. By our DOT, sixty months I'll say probably about full team at sixty months fourteen of fourteen and a half of them have been hard work and taking over the rest has been arrested is literally than just rest in the body. Linda Buddy recover. So yet the main thing is of stay in shape throughout the time on oversee I've had a few ups and downs in an art during and through books in. So Yeah, I. Just believe this is my time now. When it's someone's time, just caught me some regardless here and how can we go ahead I'm sorry. Yeah just just curious because you know we asked a lot of the fighters to come on this question is have you been staying in shape? You know with the JEN's being locked down Kobe defecting everything in house, your nutrition and your overall. You know ability to get in there and get the work that you need to stay in shape I don't spar it's pretty hard to get. So tell us a little bit about that. Of for me He's like a garage. You Go away. He does it as a bit himself. So what he done was he bought a punch bag on the US able to clip in his garage so was literally in Inde- taken over did my runs as usual. So as as long as our walking death, I was happy. Kept me shaping kept me away from all the junk feeders stop. That's a that's a suddenly let me ask you I actually just took Cova test like an hour and a half ago It wasn't that bad but have you had to take one yet, and if not, when do they have your plan to start getting in that and taking it and everything? they're gonNA start taking it for me on on fight week. So we okay. We often took cornea. Apart from Ogden healthy, my family's been healthy no one Ereli subtle close as as as the CO Kovic Soul Yeah I've been good regardless. Awesome. Awesome. That sounds great. How many people are they going to let you take with you into the? I don't know what you don't want to call it a bubble, but you know what I'm saying like I'm. Just just warm. Loud. Just one corner man that's it. Just one cool though they're gonNA have ornament there for you cut man right like yeah. Okay. I got my. Mudgee Mike he does he does Dylan. So. I fly awesome. It'd be both of US bought for me being in a quarantined is GonNa be just me coach We'll both get test were both get. Tested as well. So yeah. Chris, thank that. Let me just move switch and just talk about the fight itself with Loofah right so I see a lot of like you know face off in a bit of animosity with him. Talk of wet up comes from you know what's the beef between the two of you? It was really no beef at the start of. Just a little bit back-and-forth, fair and. It was nothing major russophile in March so we will be on this. The. back-and-forth really started when He's manager was live to boxing social to can about audit the thinking of they're gonNa look elsewhere it only take the fight no more and Yeah. An Eddie tweeted dot he he really wants to see Chris Congo Loofah clay he put it out on these instagram live really wants to see that for a great fly and they were interested him and he's manager what interested they said they're gonNA fry someone else they'll ease. Monday to said he will find somewhere else way you can put initial behind closed doors wasn't interested in taking opportunity. I said look how can you not be interested in? How can you we? We went on live together as well on live. About the fight he said that. You needed you needed a few more weeks. No is 'cause. Fight camp was originally supposed to be July. So acid I've been taking over a year ago. He said, no, he hasn't been training. He's been Isao. How in his house for five weeks? Not The nothing Out For run and you see it on his face on much weight, you put on. Under yet those given up nodes of excuses as well. Saying that you'll only wants to fight when crowds back Then you come up with the excuse of A. He thinks that the purse is not going to be the same. It's GonNa be a carton purse an Eddie tweeted dot. COM purse. The past is still the same that we're going to get it on. What ever talk was there ever talk over price reduction because they've been trying to cut people's purses not like Amanda Serano has said that in Eddie hasn't said it about other fighters that that they try to get you a to reduce purse. It tried to get a reduced purse manager called me said the. Same Eddie Hon. I've even got a tweet or my phone. He said that the press is still the same. So he hasn't changed and you don't delay. One thing the post being dissemblers school but now. To me it sounds like you know. The fight being postponed being puts on a dylan. UNDERCARD must be better for you. Financially, right don't you get like a bit more of an incentive like with the pay-per-view, the fight being on pay per view. Better for you. Know. He don't back in on that eight, his pay-per-view. I wish I could. Say You. Hey I'm selling this many. Nine. Look. Right there. But I want that dillion story. How'd you hook up with Dylan man? we've been we've been in touch from Laissez about two thousand sixteen when he defy with Josh you are, and then you come back and bill himself up by ever since then we was training in the same Jim, which training and Miguel's and he managed to get me on these other card on t five, hundred, eighteen when. knocked out Lucas Brown is because Brown nose time Brown. Yeah since then we've been close and then yeah, we just made it out the money said he wanted to give opportunities to people he thinks can get to the top and yeah he just we just made the phone one just made it happen from there So you do you partake those what does it smoke Sunday sparring sessions? I did partake in what I did partake in one. Would you give? To. I give smoke to a guy is it goes by the name of freezing bones. Below two with. He's the light heavyweight ICAN punch, but I said to listen. Different Colosseum. There's there's a thing in boxing and his cooled levels are my Hat to get in there and show him that he. He wasn't my level unjust done. Let me. So, let let that right. Do they. Freeze. On good terms. Thanks. Good Gang Okay okay well now, we WANNA know how that mid-east sparring is. That's what we wanted to. Nine. Frady. Dude. You're frady right Chris Mike. In preparation, but Freddie never been in talks to fight with you as far as I know right so. Quote a fight with him. He said that. I've got nothing to offer him. His Fair enough by the end today. Eight no-one calling me for if I am not going to try mate from Utah. So I mean for for Freddie year at he knows what I'm about he's he's heard about. Elise heard about and he knows what I'm about. So he knows that it's is a big risk for soul. He wouldn't wanNA take that risk. A lot of people WANNA take the risk frighten. Off the most experienced roadway in the division to take. On he pulled out on the, we could affect Charleston may cap and again on, you didn't want to fight. So this is someone you're talking about the most experienced in the division goes by the name of tyrone us a heated on a fire. So people see. Some people see him as the Boogeyman so. Easily kind of a one hour plays in division I announce interesting to bid just before you came on right we're talking about back domestic UK fight for you before even talking about make do Crawford and did the international flights though you mentioned tyrod nurse but I was talking more like. Begin them. Then that's you know Joe Skelly out like to see that and you have driven history Andy in the amateur ranks. Up Singer. So. At history we he's even got no one up over me in the Amish. Is We box a senior senior AB FINALS EGOS to win? US. Could I. Don't make complaints and say anything dot listen identity one. Yeah. But I'm ready I'm ready to get back I'm ready to get back into. Josh though you think Eddie because I feel like Josh's has been taking care of by Eddie and I don't mean that in a sense of opposition because obviously he's on a fast-track he's he's ahead of you like he's in short little amount of fights to these had. He's definitely jumped the rankings and ranked fighters where you on the other hand. This is a step up for you talking like it's a win for sure. What do you know about clay that we don't know what is it that you know about 'cause you're record doesn't. Necessarily explain that and become resume. Because he's eleven enough. Yeah. But we'll because of the resume you gotta question is Dylan White. You know really believed him because all these guys had losing records when you face them, this is your first guy who's like of you know he's a test for real. So like what do you really think about Luther Clay and the fact that this is a step up in class without a doubt you know has two percent of. Rounds. New. Plays fires I said this from from win the fight came about I'd seen in previous he when he books On for me. US outlet to fight the winner regardless. For me I know the experience, a new induna rounds of been in about four to five cups of just Taylor. He's always called me back on now he's a unified champion of. Boys people at James Ago to the end of his career and trust me I know I can I've had people in the gym? Monday Najji singing praises about me on saying. I'll we a tough one to beat so Yeah I I know I can do another lago. So I believe in myself to the point where I know this would leave for other even if I don't even think is going GonNa go past six to eight rounds because I know I'm pushing and I'm Kardashian. Locked. Trustable. Believe me I'm so blue. Last two that's what I'm saying you last two fights were not on the level of Luther and you went appoints decision win on both. Now you call in a stoppage on the most talented fighter that you faced. I believe you because I wanna bet I'm just keeping I. WANNA. Bet but you've gotta convince me. It is that you know because the numbers don't add up. So you know I, need to like I. I love to hear that you spar in Johnny minus one, sixty, five. Those aren't like what that's not Elsa. Pretty close to fifty fifty i. mean it's like half a point on a wait. So what is clay because if he's mine 165 five, that means he's the favourite. Unless clay is also. All Sorry Click Claes might just want to There you go and what is what is what is what is Congo? Semi that he don't want to. He don't WanNa. Tell you go hold it in for May. So does because when I looked it up it was like four to six like I don't even know what that means four dash six of. Chris I may. Put four donors to get six back right. So he is. So. He's half a point on him. So so you bet on Chris and you're GONNA get half a point on your money. So those aren't those aren't for odds. All I'm trying to say is I mean it's not new, but it's pretty close to. got. Better fifty. If. Beth fifty only make twenty five exactly. Yes. So. You Bet fifty and you're gonNa Take Home One, twenty, five with your money getting back Listen forget like the Levines. Right. Chris when you go in there, like you said that you believe that you know is not going the distance right so obviously, that's the weight you banking on your power and everything so. It seems to me like your frame in general tells me that you know you probably would find your way into one, fifty, four, sixty at some point in your career. Is that what you thinking about Oh you're not even thinking about you want to clean up at one forty seven before even considering going out there. I when clean up on for? A moment that's my million a but you mean cleaning up domestic mystically. Domestically. I'm build muscle, I WANNA I wanNA push you know I wanna get to them the levels of how just Kelly's been posting to Fry Guy Light Ray Robinson outfight a lot ray Robinson next t fives. Dot Com about I'll take with adults because I know I can beat these guys are no, I can do so. Trust. Me By a combined myself and I'm the only one. Out of everyone in the division. Has Been avoided because I've asked for a lot of whites even tyrone us, get about faith free fights. If, you look at his record, he's a few fights. Not, only how they love so. Much show you something about my car it's I'm willing to take the risk. I want these risks. For me to new to go from someone like tyrone us to new. York, late for me. Isabelle. Stepped on 'cause Tower Nazis, the Teton. Bros champion. So these five so one. Definitely, talking confidently. So listen obviously with this being A. L. European. Title brings you a step closer in the rankings and the champion there is is is Crawford and I like to hear you say that you are looking at a ray Robinson to fights from now instead of being you know the typical you can take on Crawford but I'm everybody realistically though. Crawford is getting older. How long do you think it's going to take you before you get on that world level or do you see him not being the WB L. championed by the time you become mandatory? he never know in this box again. You never know what can happen in the next. Two to free is obviously not would would lockdown everything's coming down. Everything's will come out of lockdown now. So you just never know I thought I've been in my boxing career for four years now and I've been I've been rad teaching. So I could just this could be the fact that springs me up there to the top within teacher free is so you never know and if I get that Monday to get the charts to fight proof it, of course, I wanNA fight. Hundred percent I, WanNa fight the best. No but that's a smart answer. I love the way you put that. Absolutely. It's like you're not. You're saying you're not. You're not scared of him. You're not running from him. You want that fight but realistically, you know that like you said, there's levels to this perfectly seddon. Underweight came about right. The way it came about is that you you have people like Sebastian for Miller is now gonna find like people someone like Sean Ports. And he's getting that show why? Because he got like an ideal trump so realistically speaking if you just like keep doing you being right, you pick up that WBO brand bill. It means maybe those type of fight will be offered to you. I. Know You believe that you know ideally you'd like to just take one step at a time but if he comes is good to hear that you know you have to go in the ring with Geyser underperformed hundred facility. Has something, but midday cut me off there. So Chris I wanted to ask you I had mentioned some domestic level names. After checking, they aren't even fighting anymore. But. Would you still be interested in like a Frankie Gavin or you more interested in someone that's actually active and fighting right now today or is like names like Frankie Gavin Joel Dan even over Seattle Senchenko that Calbert for any of those names were fit to put on your resume box that experience or would you rather have active fight us? Out. Acting fires, but also at the same time. them them names that you mentioned got loads of experienced behind him. So I also love to test mosquitoes against them guys I was even say and In My. My seven. Seven. For eight front now if the Franchi govern. What turns me I would would've took to conduct hoppy because. I'm about an and we all know what? Franchi's about. Our definitely told him to bring his a game, a number, bring my A. Game, and we can make this happen. Do. You think that That as you continue to rise because the the way that I look at it is like billion white is a commodity right and when de la Hoya was a commodity and they wanted him on, he would tell Hbo Okay Well I'll fight on your pro on your network but then I want this fighter that fighter these guys on the on the undercard. Do you expect that to be the case continuing moving forward or have you already had discussions dealing away to said listen I get the AJ fight or I get the while they're fighter the fury fight you're on the undercard you know boom boom boom. for me I like to see this Dylan Dylan manages me I'm sure every time he fights are we fighting even show was young fighting on I'll be fine as long as I bring a good performance as long as. I'm able to perform. Well, I'm sure not even just the limbaugh show boxing funders will want to see a bit. Morton so. That's how I see it. Awesome awesome. Okay. Well, before we go to the patriarch questions which are questions from our bureau most. Educated boxing listeners, I did want to just because this is a get to know you moment I got a few funny questions us answer them real quick. However, you want so real quick. What sport would you have competed in professionally if you could if you could have just chosen boxing excluded From new be football. Football that sucker for us. figured. It wasn't going to be like. or nothing like that. But yeah. Okay. Cool. Cool. So you're on the couch after a long and grueling workout are you watching Netflix? Are you putting the podcast on or is vibe out to music time? depends on my mood. Okay. Crime I'll probably. Be Out probably put cost listen. Oils made who listen listen to audio book certain. Yeah that's that's same here but after I get done working out love audiobooks. Okay. This is the one that we debated on. Monday if you could take a vacation for one week in a submarine miles into the ocean or one week trip into outer space, which would you choose? A. Tough for. By Our FINCO. Goto space still. Lido run I. Don't know why I just think it'll be good to. Come. Come away from the world. then. Then see what's happening over. There s aside. Yes. You Go and you get that title. By the time, get their the. We'll probably already sending people commercially into space. So what retired fighter? Would you have dinner with and he could be dead or alive he or she could be dead or alive? Ill have to be per no a car. good answer. On That one. Of Your style now done. Yet just because of you still so a similar to mine. Sparty is. You know see how he done it take some training techniques added to my techniques and Amir, anything out pick his brain as much as a batch. Exactly what I was GONNA say it's everybody would be saying Ali or or Mike Tyson just to get the picture for the Graham and grab the clout but it's smart that you pick somebody that you could actually learn from Europe saying and implement which your style. So very good answer to more. That's it. What is your rocky song the song in the gym that you can play just one that makes you dig deep down to finish the round or finish whatever workout that you're doing. Just once on. From from rookie or just any Song No. I meant that pumping up music that you know? either. Tiger like I'm Birmingham. Think you'll have to be. A No wildly meek mill choon could ambition the Skoll? Yes. y'All why you? Is storms like that. Worn by gets me fired up. that. I mean, oops Congo let me ask you. Are you excited about the way that the yard is looking screen sharing a picture now I don't know if you've seen the pictures that Eddie has released. I've obscene. Are you excited the way that looks as it may? Okay. Cool calm. It just makes me think yeah, I mean I'm ready. Now if everything got changed up and they said Chris, you're Friday and Saturday I. Am more than Goodson go right now. So even even with training I, know you go full weeks to go make free and a half. After, take after. Be. Easy with what I'm doing. Take my time and stuff smitty donated message Chris many. Time, you tell them to Jerry Forest Story. Because now we're starting. We're starting to believe them listen. I know you listen to the podcast quiz but In A, we have a guy heavyweight cord Jerry forest fighting on one of those ESPN contract he can't. gussied. Himself up just saying that you know I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. Is. No you do is you know he's not you that's what I can save because I knew skills right but the guy just it in perform right it was. Late, his hand go and. It was hyping to much but I know that's not the case for you know Laurie does give. Me As, well, like the authority lot too. Much Dude, a tool can I just north believe in myself and I know condemn demon. So that's meat out already talked to you much I let I let my indeed Duda token. ONS ago go I have one more before we go and the only reason why I was going to skip it but it's the one that I wanted I. WanNa start asking everybody ghosts or aliens which one is real if not both. A. Alien in my life. Been Rule. Goes probably earl most. Can is probably he's there probably. Luther stopped to see ghosts. Spirits spots a turn luther those doses what he said. All right. We got some questions from our loyal listeners. We Got George Foster in the UK to says white versus wilder who wins in how Blade with with this trying to get you fire. Yeah he tried to back. I'm just looking at the House I, see why improved? Drastically for me. I think e COM backup deontay wilder if he hadn't even a bit more what the buddy. Then just keep the pressure on an I think for me. I'm going to go for white and taking the decision. Alright alright. No bias. No bias there. We got Mr Adore. Says, how would you describe your boxing style? Boxes are more of a boxer. You talking about. I I like to watch people like sugar Ray Leonard. Floyd Mayweather Andre Wool. Nice style slick to. Also. You gotta be sprite for him. Be Able to You know dig deep when when there's a fire that's close. for me I would like to add as well. Agai. What's the most probably Mike mccollum our we the body shots looks angles. So that's my style defy. All right we at. roughhouse. Box TV says. You say is your best attribute in your fight toolbox. I'll say my job. Long arms for the way I'm six. As well to. Get that many six oil to weights were I'm tool for the way I'll say my job is keeping. Your take to the body. Real. Goodman I saw the fight with Sir Goma and You know he was shorter than you. Yeah Man. Digging taking them into the body on the enough. No one wanted to fry on Bomo. Said, he was too dangerous When we took the fight, we got a few coaches say, Oh, I can let Chris Unbel- I'm bomohs dangerous. He Strung in he was Jay strongbow he looked he was throwing haymakers at you. On Your Outlook Semen Nicole meal one short era and over the top said Yup. Conga, hit with this again a not just stuck to my books among. Those two years ago that was a long time. Now I can I would like to see up to my game a bit more. Yeah. Ex if the fight was now it turn definitely, it'll be different. We got. It was a pure pressure fight isn't it sounds like coming in just like pressure pressure meant little tank. Attack you solid solid Cameroon. Cameroon Olympia and stuff. So yeah. Real chicken a UK says, thanks for coming on the show. Chris, can you tell us the most memorable best fight of your career today and why and what do you think of? Equal as Suma. Versus Josh. Kelley. Fight who wins and how? Okay. The most memorable. Front of mockeries career so far as a pro. Out Sales Probably Mahfud fight when books on EUBANKS undercard. So I previously in Coudn't evenings and done lows around together and off the dot you put me on undercard and the guy the guy. Looked at Mossy. Quite. Gerbil. So I did not I was GONNA knock him out in the first round. From Den one son Tim out. The. Fallen started flood in with loads, a messages and stuff. So I just think the platform for me as well. Was My first big platform on economy showed everyone I'm a dangerous liable for the way in division. Glenn Back to pop question. For me. Offing SMS. Brings the pressure off. Just Kelly's small on the Las Likud lot myself enough in he takes points decisional. We Guy Sydney, which is magician Orlando says who do you favor if AJ versus fury was ever happened? Out Favor fury reason being a think, you'll be able take get to AJ's. also think that is boxing accused very high. He will be able to Feign AJ make him mentally tired slow break him down but I don't think he will have the power to knock him out by the lead is GonNa Politics. Just out jogging outclassing move. He's the toll amount in I. think he takes the decision. Ryan Award or Rourke in the UK says I've seen you called alcon of Ben. Do you still want that fight? Yes conjure percents I said to my money draw that if Aleve Klay frightened. You asked me about have been said yet. We can make the. On Day. They declined and they, they declined a fin reason being used to fight for the British title so. Happen and then my I decided to come back on cause any any sense aletha money Jay said, look if you don't fight crispy got nothing for you. So yet they had no choice brought to fight me. They tried to back out the fight because they know they don't. They don't really believe in himself however believe myself so I would love to fight been. big nick from the UK says shutout fellow South Londoner, and big up some Boxing Club Double Jab I. Remember going to white versus Brown open workout and I was amazed how tall you were for a welterweight amateur career was short with majority losses. What made you make the gutsy decision to turn pro with your lack of experience and top level competition Lack of. Experience I mean Had not yet me to fights seventeen wins. I previously one at least four national titles for the country books for ged. So in terms of lack of experience, I think I've got the most experience in the division had been been around likes of. Lou. Spot. These guys for Evans who? Olympia squad them of been in the ring with people live just see. Them numerous times on these guys are like it did a cream. Right, now so Yeah in terms of experience income of I've done as an amateur. Just time to do as a pro. King born in Brooklyn says King born him piece Chris would you fight Giron Ennis Peace and prayers? To seize his GRANDMOM dukes okay. Yeah. Would you fight drawn inside of America? Hundred percent. Believe I. Think it was fights ago they tried to get me to come down and fight. Such right. Right. I said yes. But I think they had a few opponents on the table on a full. Of course, they pick the easiest one. y'All. That fright. I'm sure once he sees. Marc sees a few fights and he knows that yet crystal good fight that you'd never know in due time it will happen and I'll be ready. But what made you say? Yes. At that time. How many did you have then because I mean this is like twenty four. No. I had I had never fights I was I was I was in active. I was still trying to make fights happened. So I had to stay train in just in case so they day could us about living Say we had about a months notice announced in good shape. So I'll out of took it now, I'm willing to take the risk. So basically, just for the Americans because we got a lot of little boots, Ns fans around here. That are saying he's being avoided. You're saying you're sending offer uteem accepted it, and then you were told you were you were not getting the fight. On Jefferson. But but let let me tell you right. That's the think people just you know their root for the people they know and obviously any in America would be a big name would be guy was making a splash but on the other side on our side, obviously people know you just be saying Chris is the same guy I see both of you as the same like to very talented fighters that can make it to the very top. So out, be excited to see that fight man I wouldn't happen excited I'm going to be real I wouldn't have known my who's this guy and this is fighting now it's better to know this information be educated. Actually know that you accepted it at eleven and now it's interesting. Now we gotta get ns on hand find out what happened. Did he go I above one? was that the I. Above? Do you know he eventually went with you? It was it was for him. Yo was t fights and go. So it would have been lost year around October of the told. So at the end towards last year. So yeah. I am and an American fight at eleven in Oh. That would have been a statement had you came away with that upset right 'cause you would have been an underdog here on the soil here they would have definitely. You know I mean I could be wrong because we just take the betting odds and you're the phases man i. think it went for a Guy Daniel Fernandez instant. If the friend Damian Daniel. Of Finan this at Daniel Fernandez. So. Let Me Refresh I. think that was the last one man but man I was that last one brought it out of you. That's where we Got Below in Phoenix says, what's your current? What current boxers do you enjoy to watch? Karam boxes. Crawford Ino-. He's becoming my favorite of stucco Stephen. Towns from my hometown man as. We. We putting all our chips into him. The House on Love Love the way e controls the distance controls. The space UC's job uses angles throws his buddy shorts. I think he's pure classmen pure close I love win fighters commodity. The sport because believe it or not. We've had some high level boxers. Never Watch boxing but I was GonNa, ask you actually watch film on your opponent I'm not asking like. Do. You Watch your opponent. Do you actually sit down and study film on who you're fighting? want. So twist an then what saw no for a need what what What kind of five years out then what? And how to be an how to just improve on what needs to be done in the ring. So Watch him a few times but that's more of my coaches. So he'll watch con. Chris. Government when you When you accepted that and fi did you jump on youtube and check them out or did you already know exactly who he was and you didn't watch any footage then? No you know I didn't know it was an a jumped Tony and check him out and I said, yeah, this is a tasty fight but. Like I say In this life? No risk. No reward months. Oh. Out of out of Joe jumped straight away which I did anyway. So with that being said, Ennis's out his saying that he could be earl and Crawford. Now that he he thinks he's a better thinker than them. He's just hasn't been given the opportunity. Is he just saying the right things to be promoted. And stay in the media or do you see that level of skill from? A C- a a decent level of skill for him. But when you talking about lots of Crawford, he's Undisputed in the low weight loss come up and he wants to fight the best in this week loss. Does different cloths team right now I believe. So but I don't know anyone that Jaren Ennis's does full. Some been on a brink or even a gatekeeper the world level. If there's anyone please mentioned his name because don't. Maybe. Intriguing Atlantic and tell you because I. I had the same argument you know what I mean like. I'm giving let's say virgil fees the proper shine he deserves he's fighting names and you know I got my guy in Atlanta like man, why are you don't talk about something like well, I need them to be in the fight in an emmy like when he's in a fight, we can talk about it and yeah I haven't seen those names either but I mean it could be the same issue that you're having guys are turning you down. So guys can be turning him down as well but those are all my questions man definitely happy that we got you one. More. excited. Now, you know education is powerful because you're on a very, very good card. You know you're on the undercard of obviously dillion white in Algebra and Katie Taylor's also on that car. Her rematch with Dolphin Penn soon, and then you rounded up Oh and can't forget. Martin but colas on their to for. Schools men. Maximum silence. Chris like going back to the question, we'll play that I. don't be the last one from me right but. In terms of like you coaches and all that as you working with like Donald like the former Trento of like my guy, the Gal, right? So In terms of all the train is you had because I knew I think you had a little bit of a stint. We've mcguigan like like a I. Don't know if it was your official or anything, but which one Wittstein you prefer. Coaches. You know also so good about the coaches of what they've never tried to change muscle. To try to Igloo bit some. Bulbs. Believe. They're both qualified coaches because you get the guys that they took coaches don't try to change a FI style always tried to add on you get more than US coaches. Probably a decent Neville trying to change fight as style. So for me I, believe they're both, they're both at. The highest level, which is the world level. So both could coaches man? Well Chris Man if you can give out any social media for those that aren't following, you can do so and just want to again. Thank you for coming on. We would love to get you back on as opposed fight. Once you're done with the fight and you know you have a few days the rest stop we would love to discuss in over performance and wishing you the best obviously on that card. Sankyo. Thank. Thanks, guys slapping me on I'm on social media. I'm on instagram and more than two a three slit, Chris? So make sure you guys follow me on them Desch, follow the journey for a man. Well, it's it starts this week right where we got to honor actually got a whole month left right? It's twenty twenty second twenty second again, this is a few more I. Be like you know putting up right now. Inspiring you must be on points might not. Many. How many rows you up to? Fifteen CM. Now GonNa try and cool it down. Yeah. Yeah Yeah we we have demon. I. Mean. That's what it is on. So we're going to stop cooling down. Nov Saadoun even sometimes, we can go to the gym even if we do a good eight rounds high pace dusk good enough. Yes that's. It doesn't always have to be high rounds fifteen twelve. You know. So sometimes even if you go to the gym, give a good good high work rate six escort. At. Oriel. Well, man good luck to you. 'cause this is definitely going to get you ranked you know Luther is in the top eleven of the WTO. He has that Wbo European title this will get. Your name buzzing for sure man get you on the next one and thank you once again. You guys. Is. Ladies and Gentlemen Cup and coming contender Not Luther, Klay, that's who is going to be facing. This is actually Chris Congo saying all the right things saying all the right things I'm actually glad that we did this. Because he's on the daily White undercard and he's like the opener and I probably wouldn't have watched it. You know I know I'm just keeping it real I know. Kouzmin? No because only a no take Katie about the qualitative as much as much. I know. I know. I know pursuing. So it's like I. Know The main event I know these guys I didn't. That does wait told about make something like when we just like I said to and I keep saying when you just Get. Putin fighters and you hear him talk and you just like finger be nobody history and learn about them. Then you can just thought like following those guys and say you know he's worth watching. Let me see if he's the real deal. Once you saw it, you keep watching them again like you know what I mean. What? I Did Not know. Chris Congo but I went back and I looked at a couple of his fights which one of them was a cer- GonNa fight and it just impressed me because he he even though it was two years and he says that he's well well past you know and more advanced. Now it showed little wrinkles that I really liked and he was tall man he was so much. Six Feet is pretty dag on good for a welterweight and the way he see the thing is when I see Tyson fury in the heavyweight, the tall heavyweight and the way that when he's on the inside, he can literally just reach over and pop you in the ribs because he's so long he's towering over you. I see Chris Congo having that same advantage in the welterweight. Now listen I'm excited I'm excited because I was high onto man or what is it be Ming be or Ming be I call minch but whatever I was excited with. Men Benji I was excited with Delano because he's told and long and and now we get an even taller longer guy in. You Know Chris Congo so really quick just to put things into perspective because I see some people saying that this had nothing to do with. Crawford which I think you're wrong I think if he already got a shot at Ns. then. I was even more right in saying that he is a potential opponent for Crawford. I've been screen sharing the rankings. As you can see, luther clay who he is going to face four that WBO European title is number eleven. Okay. So now watch this magic happens today. Hopefully, we announce Danny Garcia vs Earl Spence, which was already announced. It's just not officially announced. I. Hate I hate all these. Oh, they agree they they signed, but it's not official but whatever everyone else's claiming it's official. So that means Danny's off the list right? He's number one he's off the list Virgil GIS fought. Right Oscar is negotiating with terrorists. Tech Sharia Not Virgil they don't want to rush. Virgil. I get them. Why rushed the kid? He can be a franchise mikey is his stablemate. So now we got one, two, three gone show import announce he's fighting for Mela four gone now you've got. Whoever MEKA SONAE so now is. Custodio clay and we know McKell Zaluski we know former top ranked welterweight from Canada Keith Thurman is an option. I think not. Listen, it. Michael Mickelson and David Avenues in which opens up that eleven spot you know. So yeah, Luther Indefinitely get an author or an author Luther Luther definitely get an offer or cargo. If he beats them Luther is the one ring luther is the one with the WB L. European. It's up to Congo to take his ranking. And mean like. Regardless of this is not only you've done a good job of standing people like what could happen for those people but also to send people are people that sometime mental names like full Minna. I can guarantee you can almost put my hand in afire that they don't know formula they've never worked for me. Now they just know that he's gotTa strap but that's the same thing like you know. You can see why is that guy? You know even being talked about nominee that's not the way to look at it like try to understand and. Educates us have generally about who could be up and coming, and if they become goose that Miss, you can tell people that you know them. You've seen the character come through. You heard them at least once or twice when you know what I mean so that that's the way you need to look at things. I'm. Look I I. I've always been a guilty party when it comes to not watching a guy to gotta watch him and. I would have waited for Congo or Luther to get an offer from a Crawford or top bring. Even if it's not for Crawford a top rank, I would have waited for ns to fight him and then say, Oh, who the hell is this guy and it's fading and then tell my whole audience how how Congo never fought to do with a winning record. But now we got you that you've seen them. Now we got to interview. We know that he spar James the gale he's smart Joshua Wasi, he sparred Josh Taylor. Like this is not a slouch. This kid may have some skill and then we find out he's six feet tall in the welterweight division. That's. Is accepting fight and you know when you look at the books record, sometimes you will see a lot of them. You will see those guys we've losing records. But what you don't know is that those guys are being brought in at the last minute because over opponents, we've a winning record poured out like some guy you mentioned it I don't know if resonate with people listening that are outside of the U. K., but he mentioned a name like a nurse like so you have a fight agreed with a British champion. and. That fight falls food than you have to fight like the guy that is available on a two or three days notice as got sixty loss on his record because that's what he does. He picks checks for last night. So there's always a story behind it. So you know this is what I do like about the United Kingdom I. Think I think offhand I could give you top names that have always pitted themselves early AJ versus dillion fourteen, fifteen fights in they fought each other. To Gail. Groves George Groves? Ten eleven fights in they fought each other We just had another one that was like that. It was domestic UK. and. Very evenly matched. Saint similar amount of fights and they put them in. We don't really see that we see now Eddie. Gomez into the corner. Net? Every now, and then we get undefeated versus undefeated. But like not this early, you have another one this weekend right again like not names that I've made massive waves like worldwide but like reese Baluchi against Gail right so this is happening to fighters I don't have to fight them. You know each other right now they don't have to they can wait can take something else if they want to. I. The reality is like you know you have to take risks sometimes you have to go into those fights though to put you out there in front of everyone, and then you can rip the rewards until after that, right so. And it doesn't mean it's not the end of it for the others like James Gale. Of course, he went through adult like shoe years after losing to grows. But that was in the end be came back and he won a title you know what I mean. So. High Difference for sure. He's about four inches tall the luther clay. Clay. Already loss once. But again, he still the European champion clay younger. Right and. Congo out of the ring longer right. And as As a fight let me ask you this question as a fighter. Can you because I? You know I've kind of heard that you have to get that fight to keep the. That you have to same. Is Not. It's not the same. You have to just be out there and just like be as active as you can right to get that timing I. I worry for some fighters and also worry like to southern extent my with Christner just. Being out of the ring for so long. But what changes thing for me is the type of coaches they have in their corner and I you know Jim McDonnell is like. A coach that would push you physically I know that the timing is different reason but it will push physically and the spiring will also be competitive spirit. You heard who's the coach again many of those. States, they don't really know. Jim McDonald yeah was. Gems toge- likes the main fighter of. Israeli. Jumps to galleys been with him like you know. I. Mean Fraud is like professional career. So yeah man. So does really is like is meant fight also has like incidentally like reese below on his in his stable but you know the name that you will know for sure his gems ago. You said Watson. Again. Yeah Yo that card is so nice though like I had to take a call Yo. When you see that doctor call a code says you like about I have it I was so scared and I thought but I wanted to save before he left like Yo. This card is really good like for everything that people say about you know the cards that we're getting this one is nice throws. Maximum Violence Joe it is maximum violence to a T. Dylan wipe in great fight. Have loved it from the beginning Katie Taylor a delfin. Great fight the first time around I can't believe they're doing the rematch. It's awesome. Martin Kohli. Him. He's the guy that Michael Hunter and loss. He beat somebody else though I don't remember who but he beat a top name. dammit. I forgot who it was, but he's fighting surgery Kouzmin and they're both fifteen in one. And then you got of course, Luther Clay and Chris, and so that's that's Oh. Yeah. He beat a Maurice Walk. That's weepy. Yeah I knew somebody I guess not like top top guy but you know walks definitely name that we know and you know have have seen he's been in there with the top guys. So you know and then Kouzmin also fought hunter and lost but he beat Joey Gieco he beat David price we remember that he had a no contest with a mere Mansour he fought Malcolm Tann and beat him You know he's dude are you serious and so it's just one of those things where it's like it's it's just shaped out to be a good card in. Yeah. Definitely a good car. And who else is on a tape Taylor you mentioned dealer phen-, Yup and And yeah I think all the the card overall is just real is good and this has happened in the backyard right? Those gold ask calls man let's go to those. Talk Right now Nasdaq. Seven one, three Oh. That's. I will say I am happy we did this. It's good as a Mike. I know him now. So I watch that I fight because I was GonNa Watch that card. Now we could probably do a whole card. Life, I taught which would probably three too long. 'cause well, Jeez are we going to do it? This Saturday was whatever but this one is not this Saturday is like, no, I know this one's on the twenty. Million it's sunny twenty second twenty second. Okay twenty. Three weeks But what about this weekend s you think we're going to do this one, the Chad cheesman. ooh. Right now. Lives. Head cheesman live. Support. Could. Wouldn't say the cards motor bud it's not about it's a good fight. I. Like that fight you have. Good fights that I believe you'll be entertained by to fights. You'll be entertained by the EGGINGTON check whether you knew them or not, and you'll be entertained by Jordan gave us with Bellizzi wherever you know them or not. Those are fights that are competitive with two opponents. They usually let their hand and on the offensive, right so. Quick Real. Quick, real quick. Shutout to Louis. No last name and Rico Shaw for signing up to our paycheck page. They joined us on that prospect level. You know you're getting a shadow boxing. Amirah. Every now, and then will let you ask one of our guests a question. But you know you want prospect level come lettuce. And thank you again for support and but yeah, can we open up these lines? Let's open up the lying on a trade in the. Best. Avoiding whether we're going to do it on on Saturday right after these messages subscribe to YouTube dot com slash the boxing voice for the latest and greatest interviews with your favourite fighters. Remember to writers five stars on Itunes. These calls are brought to you by L. Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. visit us at El, Camino electrical services, DOT com. They say, are we doing Fulton Leo I never heard Lille who's Leo? WHO's Liotta for ru like WHO's? Of Fight. That everybody's. Doing 'cause I know foltz him but I don't know Lille you know I don't know the well listen He. If you don't know me sat at that number two spot number three spot for the last year and a half maybe. He's guy. Three fights that I've seen on Youtube for sure one of them was with. ISAAC GOTTA remember go to caller and I'll find it. I'm being told is going to be more fighters added to that perfecting card but. Trader in Bay Bay known. As the Producers College. Your own. Trade. Coz midday man I'm. fucking chat Bro I'm like man you who's been ever say nothing about wow there's motherfucker basement. Oh my cousin. All. Ever ever ever ever say nothing about wildest resume trae own. See you are. There you go. Mac trae Tab. On Mexican House. True Hey. Hey. Hey. A hundred, ninety, six losses. Kill. kilbride had a choosy would do one hundred forty losses come on man. As I mentioned my resume tumbled prospect Gi is not. But nobody on boots in his president has a hundred and ninety six losses breath get outta here a spa. How many? How many? How many nationals does boots got this kid got six national system? But that's not his point to his. Hers Herb trae is a female. Oh hope went. Over Tree Trimmers trains. In your. Bay Trained But went make I don't I don't actually a I don't actually dispute what she's saying right because, but you also need to know the reality of local boxing right and that's how it works. If you have, you can be sure that trilogy that he's done deliberately with that dude is a journeyman that has been called in maybe like twenty four hour notice because your opponents whatever happened to them sometime, this s lipped out the bus this morning I can't fight. What you're GonNa do counselor to. You call someone who's ready to get like an envelope in some money to just go through around sense and what happened there, but don't know for sure they get mad. Greece. Shorter reminded US Kelly Brook also gave Puertas first loss. But I I don't understand that. To. Understand how anyone can go there? That is the worst. Ever seen that's right up there with Marcos me a versus Devon Alexander like the amount of clinching the took place in fit doesn't make it boxing it's. True. But the reason why I don't good as not because like the fight was an entertaining but you can make an argument that pose or you should be making that argument at Porter is millions and millions of levels above that dude got ninety six on resume right and if you listen. At least a lot of them were points loss you know. Off Their. Back. On them, all of them or if not like eighty to ninety percent of them will be on point because that's what they do. Those guys fights every week to get a check. Those are durable guys and when they get stoked, you have to understand what stop they don't get paid. This is people taking money out of their their bank account, right so those guys are specialist in going runs and us. What happens if? They. Put a guy that. He has a thousand eighty rounds. Any fights every weekend Every weekend. Five. This week is the main event is watering your main event. no-no. It's EGGINGTON. Yeah. I WANNA see. Wah. Fabio fight if it's on the if it's not too early because I, think I might have plans this Saturday it'd be real man my girl. Real girl. That's understand. What if we do? Not think she going to go to AC 'cause I got the rap show she was trying to get me to push the rap show earlier so I could go with her but. I don't mind. We could do that, and then that way if you do then you could come back in time because. They can. If, willing to go along than I could do this because I do. I'm telling you right now he. He going. Okay I'm GonNa Watch the Megaton Ted. She's me whole card. So I will be sitting in the seat that I'm in with the computer that I'm in front of with the MIC that's attached to the holder which is attached to my computer, which is also a chance we get a headphone get it. We get it. Yeah. Oh Wow. I'll say it's on you. I'm very interested though he is finding someone who's Simon Balili Balili come on now why? Says Man. Why you say Smith. Oh, he doesn't I eat. Put it this way someone who's going to come to win not saying that they're gonNA they're GonNa win is going to someone who's going to try to show up you know. I mean at least is coming off losses or At least he's not coming off losses. And it's crazy. I didn't even like. Shake about this, like fighting, coming off the law. Confidence is low your Mario. Say who's a shot is shot at midday in Congo man they jerry forest of the UK until proven innocent. Of It. Jerry forest. That is. Still. Listening don't do that to me. Show my face again. Buddy, I do gotta be Fed. You're right like he's got a he's got approved to be Jerry and not let them hands go just stock around like a fricking Weirdo. T. New only. To make. Money. Off Doing. Talk like. Pop Music the way I wanna to talk to you. Turn station. Looks like he's just listening going out to Kim in flow. or I opened the door for audiences in all of sports, go back to the way it wasn't Jesus same. Gun? By making ten million dollars. I'm not really worried about what he megan. good interview man. Didn't know. Anything about 'em but I've always said when I Come. On this show or any show to do the interviews and they and they talk that Talk that talk. Microphone away from your clothes. Hello It. Here now I've always said malleable guys come on the show. They talked talk I mean big himselves He didn't. Jerry. Ford's do I enjoyed his interview. He had me hype on him. He didn't. He didn't show up but you know just I enjoyed it. I think five is to do that more manages it brings attention to your brings is and that's that's important in the sport man. So in just like you said, I, wouldn't I wouldn't have watched that I wouldn't have paid attention to the guy who put, but now I do and I am going to fit into now. Now I wanna see this six foot you know welterweight. Do, WANNA. See a six foot well to the claims to have boxing skills that's inspired by Cornell Whitaker I mean he said all the right things that's why I said. I hope he's not Jerry. Forest King I mean woulda. Throw. Back Kings. Without me I mean. Yeah Yellow TV another one another one. Go. I'm cool. A man great interview on you'll. You'll hear me good coming through good yup. I. So Yo. I think we we looked at a lot of cats I mean that's why I keep saying the welterweight division. Now you know he's basically how we feel about boots stateside. That's how they feel about this guy. You know what I'm saying like the Welterweight Division to meet the heavyweight division, get deep with the welterweight division is still going to be the deepest. So. If this, if this guy he's on our radar I, think quicker than Chris eubank or been Connor Ben I. Think both of them guys was you know it was a few it name we heard of him but this guy, he's he has less recognition than he's out there quicker. So I'm definitely going to watch him just like the Kid Vidal Kid named from the UK at the Kuwait Fidel something rally with the years. So missing man shot out to them do sat out to a south London shutout. The Peckham shoutout to Brixton Hill shutout the Brixton. I you talk about Blake government does really. Come on media soft off Wednesday may no king? It's no joke boy. Also I always thought Essex. Essex New Jersey. You're talking about Essex. Now also his. Co. Essex Town Essex County New Jersey I met some family at a funeral Jamaicans Travel Medicine family at a funeral. They bugged me out 'cause they was black his me tell me we got fairly from Cuba they talking about from the UK. Started connecting with them over the years in travel. So I kinda just been Bridgen genetic get you know what I'm saying this is connect cousins from down south from you like I connected with them. So you know I I traveled a little I know I know a little bit about nothing. Sir. I never. Found the long lost relatives. But that is pretty doke defined. You got family the whole nother country. LOOK-ALIKES CYP in Kelly. Anyway anyway headed do too much talking but all the UK USA who thought I was down with the boxing bars note we got that new league men each assigned to it. We all created it all agree to the rules in Ainhoa bullying him he decided on the judge's I'm cool. Whoever was picked we going at a two rounds to around for the undisputed gwynn's He's undisputed if I win on the franchise champion in the bedroom, anybody is allowed to come back there and You gotTA bring to rounds. You can say whatever you WanNa say and the judges don't judge if I lose I'm doing if he wins he open champion nobody saying nothing to eat or the UK. Walked we'd go before botching bars on the Bat Channel Desk. That's all I'm sound moaning all week finally. Finally, we get to see who really who, really the best referees without knowing UK bias and see what the. We I'm sorry I'm sorry. I don't to the people that are hating on the fact that Terence's names in the in the. into. Title like. Go to hell like. What's your problem? Why are you talking so much shit like and first of all garbage chat versus. The chat instead of DM me like a little bitch. y'All I'm I'm saying like people talk people trying to make it sound. Bro. What what did they? Tell us what they say hot someone. Make you that mad you like curse never I never even heard. It just makes me upset because like somebody earlier had said something in the chat and now is cool like I'm good. You say it in the chat. Awesome. But for you to come in DM me talk and shit like an especially about the show and like like if I'm going to be like, yeah, you're right it sucks. Like. Decrease attention. About People to know him is even better if you don't address them. Live in you'll, Diem. Immediately you're right. You're absolutely right. Maybe I regretted immediately I shouldn't even give him the clout. As you can. I don't even know who this is to be honest with you. you can't let people get you upset. Right you're right. You're right I just it just like if I were to read it which I'm not y'all y'all would see why I got upset because they're trying to attack you. That better mix man I just heard it today that it says an hour memos. And Ken League like I didn't even hear that all these days. Should Mix masted home. Call me, pick ness. Sounds. Emotional. Did. You know yet see that sounds clear. No, I'm just saying. Sony Commission or should I say? Board member should I say entrepreneur? A without without your set out the colts, Midi of hooking up with the with the UK fighter. You know always going to be here about the young up and coming fighters. You know that was the idea for the prospect. Wednesday shell so much. Let Eighty. You know what? I'm saying much led to t B. V. G. You. Heating on talk about that elephant in Rome I. Heard you. Even Cheek Gago. Now. Jessica mccaskill, she fighting this week. Now just listening. To next week with C. J.. TJ, T. WOULDA. Just listening going once. Twice we'll stay five, zero, nine eight. Alex. he he just listening to what Alex in Fresno. So that's it. We are done. Final thoughts are these. I got some new thoughts on Chris Congo got new thoughts on Chris Colin go ahead. Then I won't get finals then well, he e- He went from the guy being stuff stuck in traffic. Is Right. So this Guy That I really did a guy that I'm really excited about UK. Look I remember when Mike was. He came over here with Joshua Wasi and I got to know him a little bit even though he's you know he's easy is in the shadows as far as being on camera really a lot. But now we got Chris Congo and we got six foot welterweight. That is what's most interesting, right? Like that's crazy. We should've you mich should lead with that because. She told. You know what it's like Whoa could he make wait no-one acts them the weight question how long can you? Wavelength is usually a very like his lender like. A doesn't get chubby anything. Like that. But I do some time like that. That's why I asked him like you know where does he see himself like I think I see him at one, fifty, four, one, sixty but I know he can make one, four seven. Dora, though that are pretty tall. It's about I guess they way you get at least within the next two years where do you get the most attractive fights and I figured out one, four, seven right on after that like you know why not clean up then go to one fifty four. I mean if the frame carries it well, why not I guess And also note rather be like the the taller more powerful stronger fighters in one division rather than just moving to the other one and becoming. One of the smallest which is. The normal. Off. This guy has been this guy. Hash men's been acting like he knows them more than you. He says he's six one. Why not maybe not more than me who knows? That's Hash Man Salute Hashmi. Just seen what your name is. Chad. How's that Hash? You know the Hash Mando How's that Hash? Chan. How many? How many let me be quite It, goods, and services. All, right. Let's go. So we can get this other what we're supposed to hear. We were GONNA get this. Dumi with. His new. One. What no no no. Altro for me now. I'M GONNA go for the. Chance. To become back just so y'all know. Of following you ain't subbed. You Ain't got your notifications that you ain't going to know when we and we about to go live again. Damn. I. Didn't even know that bro Cents and loic of its was. Just came out of surgery bro He freaking had a successful cancer surgery. So shout out to him. Shutout out the head and. Fudge cancer for those that don't know Samson Luek which is responsible for many Pacquiao Sergio Martinez Jason Jason Rosario. Michele Rivera. The Panamanian we were talking about his well, there's GonNa be fighting all the everybody everybody. More. Yeah, we're out for two nights. Out Bruce. is by by by.

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This feels like almost like a like a weird Catholic penance that I have to pay to come listen to you talk. Talk about the sixers. You've been the most fascinating team in the last eight years. You're welcome all things considered getting back to the process of that stuff. We're taping assigned Tuesday. Markelle faults had twenty five points for last night and has now become one of I. Think the strangest topsy turvy. NBA Stories of the past. Twenty five years so you have this guy who was the number of pick in the draft who then basically has this break from Any sort of sports reality for a couple of years to the point that the sixers give him away to Orlando for. Jonathan Simmons a ninth man. They're hoping might provide bench. Oh Pooh actually actually doesn't who doesn't help you at all and now faults is blossoming Orlando. He's coming along what's not. It's not like the second get coming of of A. Don't ask me coming. He's coming along. I wish nothing but the best it was it made me look back at everything. The sixers have done the last couple of years. Is that why you're looking at your IPAD. 'cause you're about to tell me now and it's so funny these fork in the road teams where you could and I was thinking about this because I did the basketball podcast with Nash that we put up today and you look back at the two thousand five to two thousand eight sons who never make the finals much less win the title and you think they're just starting out in two thousand the summer two thousand four they have Joe Johnson Amare Stoudamire and Shawn Marion on the team that the seven seven th pick in the two thousand four draft and they signed Steve Nash and the seven pick either Luau Dang you just think like if they just do nothing if they have like a high school janitors. GM WHO's just afraid to do anything and just drafts. Whoever the draft board says just keeps those five guys together the over under for titles is like one and a half? Yeah and instead they do all these things. And there's all these different forks in the road for them and then all the sixers thing and it's not just the false trade that also leads to them trading faults then. His cap is his salary's removed from the cab. It gives them enough money to spend Horford. Who is now basically untradeable and doesn't fit in with the team you have but then on top of it you lose the faults asset even if you just look at those two things right there? It's like wow what with the alternate universe of this look like. Yeah we also what we had to give up to get full in the first spice remember right knows what happens there. What was that you gave up? It was the number three pig plus the Sacramento. Pack Up. Not being as good of a pick because we thought but then you go the other. That was another fork in the road and then the third fork in the road. Was You the number ten. Pick trade back to sixteen gene. You get this Miami. Pick that leads to Tobias Harris so then they write pay hundred eighty million dollars so this important note with all of these forks is that yeah they all come. They are like an episode of General Hospital. Like everyone is like but first we have to draft a kid from Villanova whose mom works for the sixers and then trade him. You know what I mean like that Mikhail bridges trade it always comes with this extra layer of did we have to make this egregious regis and like hysterical and dramatic. Pianos underrated about that. The next guy was shade Gioja Salad who is now a future all NBA guide. You go through all these drafts. You're like wow. They took false over tatum. Oh they traded the bridges pick and choose the next thing and it's just like this is what's so great about the NBA. You can just drive yourself crazy going backwards and being like Oh. That had happened if that happened. I don't know what they do though because I keep the Horford stuff really kicked in this week and it so obvious to anybody when he first came out and said hey little unhappiness. Let's see how I'm being used in this offense it's been it's been about ten days but I don't know what they're Outside I don't need an out. I mean like look like they've built this team to stop you on US okay. That's that's that's one round though. That's the argument and I don't think the Boston plays them particularly while either although we'll find out this week right I mean we're gonNA find out. This is the first time they've played each other since Boston got their shit together. It would seem like the sixers scissor Boston's Kryptonite team right. So if they're the KRYPTONITE team for Boston. and Milwaukee that had like their chances of getting through the first round so then what would in Miami around right or Toronto. Yeah Boston still has to make a trade but I think the Thais Cancer Combo against embiid is just the foul trouble possibilities are just two means trade for Andre Drummond. 'cause that's another guy in this. Is this ties is into the second part of the conversation on it have not done with the sixers yet. This is right around the time when everybody starts going. Oh this guy's trained Kevin. Love's available and Andre German German might be available and Horford. I wonder where they get for him. The answer is I don't think there's going to be a lot of trades at all because this is the the all time either everybody's making twenty five million or more or seven million or less and that's another thing with the false contract. You don't really have a team like the the sixers is a lot like the Celtics where there's no room to improve now. It's like everything would have to be sweetened by by somebody like title Bible Right and if you do that then you're going back through the tearing your fingernails part of we gave up sham and Tobias deal which is still seems like a complete Jerry. West highway away robbery moved now. And in retrospect to Tobias I would say untradable that contract certain point you have to ask. What are we trying to get for Tobias Harris? I'm orgy just trying to get another version of Tobias Harris and you're going to say like drew holiday like say like a guard who makes similar amounts of money and the the guards who makes make some money or basically drew out and Chris Paul. Okay so do you want to talk about. Do you WanNa talk about Endo because I feel like you do. And that is ultimately what. He's untradable though trading Ben. But isn't the problem here. It's like Horford into bias or good players on their own. Yeah and I think that like the way that this has been personally the way I think that the fact that this is being mismanage like this is just an absolute joke the fact that Brett feels like he needs to come out in public and try to like shame. Ben Simmons into shooting threes. I I don't if you watch the Games Benz is the one guy who every night brings it. I agree with you. So here's what it is. Yeah it's a strange thing where it's like the one thing that you feel like you can do. which is just effort? That coaches will always be like. I don't care this guy tries his ass off. This guy brings it every night. I can put this guy shade. They'll just Alexander or I can put him on Erik Gordon. I can put him on harden for a while or whatever like Ben Simmons is like the hardest working seems like he's the hardest playing player we we have and it's just so strange. He's the one who is in the eye of sore on here if I was another. GM that would be the guy wanted. Because is I don't feel like he's one hundred percent on the right team but I do think elect reminds me of somebody like Lamar Jackson. Where you're GONNA have him? You have have to build the perfect team around him. That completely makes sense and one of the things you'd have to do is you'd have to have shooters everywhere you'd have to have him be. You're almost your offense low post sky. who also handles the ball is your point? Four but then on defense is guarding. Everybody and it'd be hard roster together but there is there's an outcome for him to be the best player. I think on a final team sheriff. Yeah this was shooters and and other playmakers. Yeah the Horford thing was really weird though because and I I really liked the size weirdness of this team before the season as just like man. They're just GONNA be impossible to play but when you watch them day in and day out and then I started thinking talking about what made Horford good on the Celtics versus was frustrating about him. He's a pit COMPA pies screen guy right with somebody like Kyrie. That was a pretty unstoppable. We'll play for US on both. Those guys are doing well and the sixers team. who were you afraid of? You know stepping out with Horford like like kyrie would pop out. Then he'd take three. Nobody on the sixers can do that now. It's like literally like Trey Burke so I don't know how you use Horford so now he's just as due to standing twenty eight feet from the basket so that's something that they should have thought about when they were going. Yes it's like maybe and I know that this has been discussed a lot but like a guy alike brogden would have made more sense on the sixers Horford. You know. And it's why I mean I was kind of and could you. You could have had him right could probably would have thrown their bodies in front of that one though I would imagine. I'm sure that they were much more worried about him going to Philly than they were about him. Going To Indy. Yeah it's worked out way worse than I thought it would but we still were like twenty four and ten. Like I'm like no I know like with the Horford thing. Oh the Horford things specifically. Yeah Ah I don't know how that one gets fixed in really the only way it gets fixed like if embiid got hurt for three weeks in Horford just became the center like. Oh that's why we got him. He's a big Gilbert Games without him. Because I don't think he's GonNa play against doubt. He plays against Boston after seeing the pictures of his hand last night. We'll also just like it. What's the point of having Horford? If if embiid is like I got a tape my dislocated hand up and go back out there last night against Oklahoma in January. It's like that's the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. Sit let's let's be a flip switch team like if that's what we are that don't have Joel embiid going out there with one arm against Oklahoma in January right and then breath ause impressing gut it out. It's like why is he getting out so we managed to draft five guys. You needed to take a year off before they could start playing. NBA Basketball when he's actually so you back here he's like I've got nine fingers but let me go out there and playing Stephen Adams for forty minutes. It was so stupid the Chris Paul thing that could not out of work out better for okay. See 'cause actually do think he has trade value craziest contract. How Fun is that team to watch? I'll just pick and roll constantly. It Net net three when they run Schreuder Sea. Chris Paul it sick. It's really fun. Watch those guys. And if they added one wing in the had the ability to do it because zygotes rovers since contract they trade Denver's first round pick which is GonNa be in the twenty S. And just try to steal somebody for a year. 'cause they're wings are bad But when I watched him I'm I'm always thinking all right. I really like this. The three guard thing with with Gallo and Adams if they had one more guy this is now a team I would not want to play in a playoff series win the duck those two teams though in the playoffs like I don't think I think they would give Houston or UTAH. Awesome fits 'cause they're weird. Oh Yeah 'cause they're wedged you've three guards out there at the same time and then Gallo and then Adams Adams doing atom stuff and rainy all three of them. We'll shooter and Pau specially like such era since on defense but they're they're like fighting each other to guard the other teams best guard. I feel vindicated by the SCHREUDER trade. 'cause I still never understood. Why Atlanta did that? I guess it was like Hey. We're going all in on this trae young guy. I was just GonNa Pay Carmelo twenty eight million dollars to go away so we can dump their shredder contract. Well sure is good. Why do you want to get rid of that guy? And if if he was on Atlanta now he would probably be like their third best player he must have been a dickerson either. second-best non PD version. Yeah I think everything that Atlanta did. That's another a fork in the road thing right or they're just like every single decision we're making is based on this premise. That trae young is GonNa be the next curry in you. Go or you could just take glucose. Dodger cheats the next Labour carrier and I were talking about this yesterday on the NBA. Show where it's kind of. It's it's how interesting it is to see all these teams who've basically gone all in on youth and they're all kind of flying a plane with no windows. It's like it's working out from Memphis Chicago. You look at Atlanta Wiser working out from EPIs- are lower expectations. No because John Marantz really good. Jaren Jackson was one of the the best guys from last year and they actually make sense together and then they actually have good veterans in that yes. They've guys eight. I don't love but they're guys who play hard and know what to do and how to play basketball. Aw and this is like the Celtics fucked again. 'cause they had Sacramento's pick last year Sacramento just randomly awesome. WE'VE MEMPHIS pick this year. Those top six protected acted unprotected. Next year is just suck for one more year. You're in a really tough conference and nojeim reds turn. John John Playoffs and it's like if they they had won the Lottery Zion window played. You know he would have gotten hurt then there to bottom five team but you know what I mean. It's like a bunch of teams. We've turned the keys over to like first first and second year players at turns out like having veterans really matters. Yeah which we've known. Yeah Good Dan then we just forget your after your it does Italy Orleans got better when they started playing blink. Derrick favors more than Jackson got their favorites. Yeah you're right it's it's I think it's been a really entertaining league passes. I enjoy watching pretty much every team even team like Washington. They beat the Celtics last night Abbas mind it's also in. You never know what new reason that is as Thomas is going to get addicted feisty. But it's real. It's been really fun to watch these young guys because I do think we have a lot of talent. But you're right there there's like a rudderless to so many of these teams even Phoenix when they look good for about a week. The being this season it was 'cause like Aaron Baynes turned into you know this euro championships center that Baynes and Rubio. We're kind of like steadying. The ship there rather than it being Josh Jackson. TJ Warren and have to figure out how to be veterans immediately. TJ weren't another guy that Another a guy that was given away. Yes who had thirty six points last night but And one of the one of the red does philly. Thanks so important. I don't think there's a favourite this year. Yeah like the clippers. It's going to be clippers or Lakers and and I'm Kinda like is it. 'cause the clippers you know this whole load management management thing that. They're doing which I get. They don't have any continuity at all. Those guys don't play together. You know for nine nine straight games. They're not developing anything because it's just seems like oh Christ planning tonight Paul George is out tonight and it's just like they're it's never a team team that's gonNA domicile trying to squeeze in a quick front nine. Yes seriously it's not a team that's GonNa win like fifteen straight and I think that's a real advantage for teams teams like the Celtics philly price. If they did that in the second half of the season though the more I watch the clips the more more I feel like we get seduced by their upside. The nights that they look awesome right and we kind of overlooked the nights that they don't look as awesome and the reasons for that. Ah They're pretty undersized herald six foot seventy yeah. I mean especially in a in a series against Davis if you if you played them in the finals of you somehow got their demand sized that you have I think would be those finals games would be like seventy eight seventy two. Oh my God if the clippers and the sixers please each other. They're more I mean that's another Kryptonite team for the Celtics because their wings are just better than the Celtics Wings but the Celtics at least we know those guys are playing together all the time the hayward injuries set them back just because they lost a new to that but I think over the next six seven weeks as they have those guys and they know the team guys are. You're just planning the other night after night after night. It's a real advantage. I think it's like the the Lakers are trying to win the regular season championship. Would they're making a mistake and playing Lebron like thirty. That's that's just stupid. Yeah I don't agree with that up and I that's the team. I wouldn't do load management with them but him playing more within thirty one minutes in a game at this point in his career is nuts and same thing for Davis. I want my Milwaukee's done with the honest has been genius. You know just like you're playing thirty two minutes let's it right. You're coming out for eight minutes a half. We're not discussing it. This is what Jerry Sloan do John Stockton he would just coming out of the five thirty mark of the first quarter in the third quarter. And I'm putting you back at the nine minute mark and that's just how we're doing this and I think the Lakers should be doing that there guys and everyone's talking about Oh Kuzma. What are they gonNA get for him? Kuzbass never been that good. This is been like all Lakers piaggio weird story yesterday. The the the circle of life that that's that's cruised for Bogdonovich story went through yesterday where it was like. This is happening and that it was like this is absolutely not happening by that. which is way better than you could also just like fuel the phone calls going into like different? NBA Twitter guys like to to to refute. The story of his wild I was on a text started with a couple Celtics fans and all of us us. were getting flashback or flashbacks to how Saul in Oh eight. Oh yeah by John which isn't as good as Palacasino. But it's just like but it's one of those really they're gonNA get Bogdanovich for Kyle Kuzma fucking Katie me. That's going to be the trade no other assets to throw it but it seems like Sacramento. I don't know why he's a restricted fridge in the summer. I don't know why they just wouldn't keep them and figure it out. Is there any team that we're not talking about or not thinking about as possible sellers like I keep looking at Portland in one dollars. Yeah Eh like I'm wondering if piloting trait if it was Detroit selling Derrick rose rose could be yeah. That's a perfect example of a guy like for your team name could be. Yeah well he navigates point guard. Who if you're watching these dumb lake past Games? He really does look like the old. There grows some nights really like I'm a god he can go by anybody. Get to the basket on every once I think he's he he makes like seven and a half million so I think he's at least a chess piece portland. I don't know what they do. Yeah because I'm wondering if it would be silly to sort of break that a team up at the mid season trade deadline you might as well just go through this season and figure it out over the summer it does feel like it was like a little bit of a false dawn to get to the Western Conference finals and now that they've kind of like they tried to rebuild on the fly around Lillard mccullum. I'm not really sure what they're gonNA do. And their defense is so bad. I guess they could try to tighten that up with like they're still playing melodic twenty-five minutes night right. I here's my hot Portland tick just punt on the season I wouldn't trade anybody just be like it's not our year. Turkish got hurt and wasn't able to come back Collins got hurt. We don't have it. It's fine we'll get we'll get an awesome lottery pick. Maybe they should be on the other an thinking like hey dame. Why don't you record of the rap album I see? We'll see you in September. I'm looking at the at the big ass. Contracts the expiring so Atlanta has like sixty five million expiring contracts and a team. That sucks a team. That's going to be a bottom five. That's a team. That could take a chance on one of these expensive guys to give salary cap relief to a team that wants to done. Basically start over and I don't really know what their game plan is other than it. Just get trae young fantasy stats. If it's an entire franchise motif built around. We date we just gotTa Get Trade Twenty eight and ten. We don't we don't care about Windsor. Losses Big big draft kings way. DENVER HAS MILLSAP AT thirty point. Three million and Plumlee at fourteen million billion Memphis as a bunch of expiring that could help out The Knicks people know. What's going on with them? Phoenix has the nineteen million for Tower Johnson. Expiring that could go in a variety of ways. I was thinking if illy wanted to just dump Horford. They're not GonNa do that saying he did. If this doesn't work we have to get out of this contract because we're going to be fought for next couple of years and we don't feel like he's viable anyway anyway and they want to do like a tyler. Johnson Baynes for Horford tape thing. It's in play. I said like I threw out Horford for love yesterday. I don't know oh how that helps anybody. God what a bummer. For Our for my dad I was talking to my dad about her for this weekend because he loves HORFORD'S UNHAPPY is again. Grass arrested the newest greener AL cigarettes. Dad Wash asthma him. They had fifteen point. Four Portland's Guy Whiteside at twenty seven seven. But I don't know what's going on there. And then if you look at the actual trade pieces Horford Twenty eight point nine this year Otto Porter Twenty seven point two holidays twenty-seven Aldridge Twenty Six Ola Depot twenty one million just throwing it out there. He's got a a year plus next year and I was thinking is. That's where it's A. Bummer that Ben Simmons is contract. Can't be traded because you could have a lot of fun with some old depot events him and all that stuff Aaron Gordon's twenty million miles Turner's eighteen million to sixers. And then. Then you start dropping into that Morris rettig mills coming in fifteen to eleven million range. My point is. I don't think there's going to be allowed traits okay. I just think there's no. The tent is seventeen million range decision there this year. So if you're the Celtics is I wanNA throw Marcus Smart. And then patched together for their trades to try to you get Kevin Love Like I. Why would a million years and if you're philly you can't really patch together anything or for your mark clear like title-favourite makes it so that people are going to be like let's see what happens over? The second outta season in the biogas are going to be more important than usual. In of Cleveland is looking at Tristan Thompson in February. And they're just like car at. I guess we could save four million bucks later and he goes to Dallas House or something. Yeah do the right thing for him down. I mean the Celtics will be the best possible right. That's the one where they got Tristan Thompson. I would actually think this else could make the finals. Because he's like the perfect big man who can roll the basket with his hands up for what they have if you had to guess. Who makes the finals right? Would you pick clippers books so you'd still cookers best is your and also watching them. Just death by a thousand cuts. The Lakers Christmas was very telling. I think they were close is to their best on Christmas Day and I thought that they were just like they just had him. They had their number. What do you think I am scared? The Lakers are GonNa make a Ghazal. Two thousand eight type. How the fuck did they pull this off trait because I do feel like it? They added one more guy. They'd become the favorite. They need a swing man guy who can who can reliably make threes and show up in a big game handle a little bit of Baba Alban not necessarily a point guard and just like like almost like an Evan forty a Bogdonovich just European type guy array which is fit in with what they have but who really wouldn't be afraid in those four rounds and I felt that guy sitting out there somewhere for them to you're scared of that it's not derrick rose. I know some because of it. Their one-piece away. But I think a lot of these teams one piece away and I think for the clippers. They're like a stretch for away. It's like if Jamaica Green was the editor of defensive-minded center away but that's that that guy doesn't exist oh no for what they're the price or ensure looking at all right so last words. Marquel before you go. I'm I'm happy for him because it was just such a weird sad story three. But it's it's another indictment on on how things get handled in Philly. Do you think the biggest philly what if of the decade was der Amaury. Almost taking that job in the summer two thousand eighteen getting talked out of it by Tillman for Totta Fida for thiede. Let's just go with Dada for TIFF. Tillman for Totta locks them out of it. You could've add more running your franchise Chinese people would be able to watch the NBA. Americans would still have no idea what's going on and hot car. That's right that's right. I I'm guessing he would have done everything. Possible to trade for Anthony Davis last last year. Probably yeah as soon as that was on the expensive for the fuck. Yeah Yeah. I think he's all in on China. Put Anthony Davis and a beat together. You think embiid still moping if he's got Anthony Davis with no why isn't bead moping is smoke like she stepped generation. No it's not generational things online too much. No so many call. These aren't going exactly the way I want them to go. That's what it is. Yeah big man. Maybe he just needs. Do you find love. That's it. That's probably it Z.. Girlfriend I think. So yeah yeah I think so see online too much needs to change his diet. Chris Ryan we can. You're still cranking out the watch two times a week thanking them out. Yeah and then we have. We're watching this week with Quinton right. We did unstoppable Gwen Tarantino. That was made we just set picks for him for two hours. Just like me for you here and then you have another uh thing coming up that we have in so yeah. I'm excited all right. Chris later bill before we get to Wesley with the the New Year officially hair and everyone vowing to restrictive resolutions. Pepsi wants the UN The new decade a bit differently bank urging everyone to unapologetically. Do you enjoy even even in the face of others judgment SA- Pepsi encourages you to let loose be yourself and live your life like nobody's watching watching you know I'm GonNa give an example this. I'm going to talk to Wesley about movies. In second as some controversial thoughts about a couple of movies that came out in two thousand nineteen. I I'm not going to obey the whole group thing thing where we were just everyone decides what the best eight movies are and then we all have the same opinions on them. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing it. I repeat. I'm not doing it. I have some hot takes I. I'm going to ignore the haters. I'm sure people are going to be happy. But that's just what I'm GONNA do. Because that's what makes me feel good to be honest about how I felt about the two thousand eighteen movies Pepsi. That's what I like and since we're here what's talk about square. They made that little way. Credit Card readers. Let anyone take credit cards. 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My Grand Colleague William Morris he is is a critic at large cultural critic. Whatever you WANNA call for the New York Times and he wrote my favorite piece of two thousand eighteen? A defense of Gwyneth Paltrow tro which was super important. We just talked about her on the rewatch ables on talented Mister Ripley but I think she is the most underrated actress of the last twenty plus years. There's she does not act anymore. It bothers me but a really bothers you Did you get good feedback for that piece. Because there's so much antipathy toward her. What was the reaction I think people seemed a little. Initially I was terrified that It was one of the few things I've written written where I was a little nervous that I was either wrong crazy but then you know I it did. I need to write that the thing in half an hour. I had a lot of time to think about whether or not I wanted to write it and to be honest with you. I've been wanting to write this since since the girls in hoodies. podcast just about going back or tacitly in Mali were talking about culture and they. We're doing the thing that made the show agreed right. which is like they didn't all feel the same way? Yeah and I. I don't remember who wear our Ongoing paltrow but I definitely felt like the thing nobody really connected was. I don't know there's just something about her. That was deeper than people were giving her credit for for having and then Taffy ackner CNOR wrote that Really interesting and smart piece last year in The New York Times magazine about Goop and about doc when Paltrow's relationship to goop about our relationship to to goop and GonNa Paltrow but the thing that was interesting to me is her her relationship to her being a business person her choice to stop acting and whatever her Harvey Weinstein did her. And I just felt like those things were somehow connected. And it's only up to her or to explain what the true connection is but there is clearly a moment where she goes from being the one of the best actresses working in movies to iron man's girlfriend and I don't know oh I that seems to me to be a choice and I don't know how much of a choice I wonder if going pouch through with I wonder how much of a choice choice she would say she had. I mean obviously she did everything you know. All decisions are heard and I'm a selfish person because I'm more of a Greenwich Paltrow as actor person but I am a person who is glad going through started goop because my life is much better for having done it But I think as a person who had her when she was at the height for acting power. There's just nobody who could do the things that she did. I mean that's the great thing about lots of actors but she had things that she could do. Lots of other people couldn't do so my my My my wife and daughter loved country strong and is does the ringers Louise Kelley and the tenure in verses coming in December and I added it to you. Watch -able schedule because it's a fascinating movie. And she's unbelievable in it and then Garrett Hedlund who really hasn't gone near a role like that since in any sort of significant way where you felt like. Wow that guy's really somebody. He's great in that movie and I there's a lot of it. Can I just do it really quick Garrett hedlund person can make my voice deep enough Just GonNa Tell Ya ue minutes song really good. It can really saying really spanked so he. That's like his rewatch. That's his apex about late. Miester for sure lead Easter's in coming off gossip girl. She's really good in it and then Tim McGraw's really good in it and it's a really a good movie and it kind of came and wear I don't know what happened with that but But yeah the fact that she can make a movie like that she could be the lady and talent talented. Mr Is to rip what Mrs Ripley where. She's just really great that movie and then as you pointed out in the peace like you know she was always in peril in these different movies Sir or her life was she had this seemingly perfect life that was about to be uprooted in some way like bounce. Which I think is another one where she's really good and has his husband who all the sudden dies in a plane crash and it turns out Ben Affleck switched to seat with them. And but it's it's always something bad happening that shattered her perfect life and this is what she did for five six years and if you took her she took that version the ninety eight select two thousand eleven Gwyneth paltrow any through in the seventies right. Where and she's basically competing with Meryl Streep for all the roads that are available? There may be may be. She's the girlfriend in the bear. Hunter may be she's Dustin Hoffman's way from Kramer versus Kramer. I do feel like there's there's links to her and Meryl Streep Even Meryl Streep's the greatest actress of all time But the parts Meryl Streep would pick. I just wish paltrow had done that for thirty years instead of eleven the make sense. Oh yeah yeah that totally makes sense to me. I feel like she had. She can do anything in the seventy she in in the eighties. I could see her. Include here in deer honor. I could see her in the pumpkin eater is which is not a movie that anybody needs to really want you to see that movie. It'd be seen that the pumpkin eater and Bancroft and George Scott City is like the best. Describe it wow you know. She could've been any one of those. Neil Simon plays she could have been in all those movies I don't know I just feel like but you know for the period that we had her she was also like she had if there was a good part for a young actor She she she basically got it. I mean your competition for you. Know the range of time that we're talking about like like nineteen ninety-seven like like ninety six ninety seven to two to five hundred thousand one. Yeah I'm with you I. I've been watching the run out of movies to watch. I realize there's only so many times I can watch. So I've been diving into the late sixties in the seventies a little bit more and I just read this book about Mike Nichols that was really good. By the way I'm trying to read seventy five books this year. That style was my new year's resolution. Oh yes but it's one every five days cinema among pace it's just basically an I read fast. So it's like an hour twenty but I read the Mike Nichols book in like three days and it got me really intrigued by the graduate which I hadn't seen in forever and I watched that again ahead A not that movies and incredible rewatch. It's fifty three years old now. The Am band craft character. I'm so fascinated by it so fascinated by her performance and it was the thing that jumped out to me the most because I think people mostly feel like. It's the Dustin Hoffman movie and watching it. I was like now this. Is the Anne Bancroft movie these. She is believable in that movie and the movie itself. It's definitely saying something about this whole generation that for the first time was expected expected just graduated college and then get married and have kids and just be like their DADS word and Hoffman's characters the first of this generation would be like wait. I don't know would I want yet. And there's this cute girl I'm just GonNa follow her and he kind of goes off the rails and and now it's a movie that's been made for fifty years and all these different ways but It got me excited about movies again going backwards I'm rambling. Oh Yeah I mean and Bancroft to me I mean. I don't want to sort of be blatant about connecting Greenwich to amd Bancroft but there is a person who if when paltrow needed to have like some other lane to go down. That isn't the one she created for herself. I feel like am Bancroft is a pretty good one And the thing. I'm actually curious to talk to you about this. Just even briefly just because I can remember every time I watched that movie. Also I found her Confidence like all through my life. Every time I watched that movie the thing Ah is never not. Exhilarating is her and there's something about her knowing what she's doing and the control that she's trying to like have over him and also. The performance itself is about the maintenance of control Over for her own life and over this kid and she understands the power of sex in a way that he really really doesn't right right and I think that the sort of ladder version of those movies that we got in the nineties Where you know the American pie movies it was invented? This idea of a mill for like popularized this idea of a mill. You know they've Jennifer coolidge character is supposed to be funny whereas we weren't laughing laughing at and Bancroft in the graduate we were. I mean there was something sort of I mean it was. It was hot but it also was a little bit. Intimidate was extremely intimidating Something more pejorative than intimidating. Yeah menacing and woods. Yeah yeah bring it back to Paltrow. I think she's one of the rear actresses that in the earlier stage of her career could've played the Katharine Ross. Part and now in the stage of she's in this decade that gauge right. Yeah yeah well. Here's an interesting question though and I you know I'm I one one of my. This is where I am in my life right now. Where you know the question that I'm always asking is like could this happen again? And if if it were to happen who who do it and if you were doing the graduate now I mean. I'm sure that a lot of people are GonNa hear me. Ask this question. A little wrote the following people who do but I. I wouldn't be convinced you'd really have to haven't screen test because I can't think of anybody who. When Bancroft made that movie? She was sort of at the. I mean she was like hyper fame and maybe even the height of her acting like her sort of like movie star Level Acting S. Maisy Yeah Yeah. Yeah and she was all well the other thing that you can remember. There's a really great story about her being cast in that movie in Marquesses Book about The year one thousand nine hundred sixty seven And and and those in the movies that came out that year Called Revolution in the teeth. Pictures at a revolution at pollution but movies and the birth of of the new. Hollywood I think is the exact title Anyway there's a story about her her casting in that movie. I don't remember exactly what it was but I don't think she's really anybody's first. Choice for that part and and There's something about I think. That's also why she's so good which has been nobody. Nobody I mean. She knew that nobody thought she. You should be in that movie maybe Well the Nichols book play. ooh Does Mrs Robinson now the Nicholas seriously in good of the current actresses. That's the shadiest question you ever asked rhetorically. It's it's rough. I mean it would have to be somebody late thirties early forties that we have a little history Angelina. Lina Julie is a person that comes to my 'cause she's got she's got baggage to bring with the part it's seven years ago though it's not her now and now she's probably happy to old but I don't know I mean 'cause age isn't worth the way the thing the other thing that was sort of shocking about that movie was just how old how. How old is Mrs Robinson in that movie? She's not even old. You don't even really get because everybody gets married when they're twenty twenty one. It's a great example. Re Re reading about the Nichols Book about the chapter about that movie. How many things has to go right with the movie where they basically stumbled into Dustin Hoffman? They never felt oh great about it but they couldn't really think of anybody else So he gets Katharine Ross. Pretty Limited actress and I think they knew it but they also so didn't care because they just wanted somebody to be just angelically beautiful. The kinda edited around her and made it work and then in Bancroft they look out with but one of the things that was shocking. Walking in in this book was Gene Hackman roomed with Dustin Hoffman. Robert Duvall in New York City and Gene Hackman was cast as as one of the dads initially and then they ended up pulling the part and giving it somebody else and it was awkward because they all live together. And I'm thinking like Dustin Hoffman. Robert Duvall Gene Hackman all lived in like a Shitty New York City apartment together. How is this like a seven hour documentary? What how can you imagine? Those guys like Grocery Grocer shopping. How is and also gene? Hackman was a young person at one. Point is life. Yeah I thought he was born fifty thing I'll see trade Sixty seven. That that Harrisburg. I'M GONNA have to reread that book because I was looking at the Oscars that year and that really is the first good modern movie year. We have the graduate Bonnie and Clyde Ed in the heat of the night I guess is coming to dinner. There's a lot of good ones which brings me to this year's movie or two thousand eighteen? Am I wrong to say this was an awesome movie year. I feel like every year we get to this point and we're sort of like we take stock of everything and it and it's always better here than we remember it being But this year is like especially was especially good. I you know I'm also guilty of look for reasons. I was about to listen to the to the dunkirk conversation. That Sean and Chris have with With quitting during Tito and and I just like I was I was going to make a point about nineteen seventeen and Dunkirk which we can get you later but you go back and you look at that year? which is what two thousand in seventeen That was a really good year even though I didn't even like a bunch of them. Just look at the Oscar. Nominations hide even really we like. I really hated at least one of those movies. The other eight comedies. I really like eight of them. But I'M GONNA China I'm GonNa give you my top ten. You can react well actually before I do this. We we have to have it at about uncut gems. Oh well you didn't like it and you're I didn't say that. Oh I thought you didn't like it. I heard through the grapevine I am not a shaft. He's brothers person but I felt like if you're ever GONNA if you're ever GONNA not mind them. This is the occasion Asia. At least for me okay. They pull out an incredible sandler performance. So I'd be grateful for that at least Oh sure but I yeah I mean I can I just say. I don't really know that it's hard to do that. I feel like just nobody tries. I mean I feel like he's been good in this mode and at least four people movies and like they cracked code. He just he. They're good directors who know how to direct actors. You're not the only person in the movie either. Are you happy that I came around on the Irishman. Wait we go back to the the GOTCHA. Okay okay I mean I. I really like tension movies and these guys are always trying to Safdie brothers. They're trying up figure out ways to stress you out. I felt like this to me was the most successful version of that But then a friend my friend nick made this really interesting testing point which I which I felt I couldn't put my finger on until he articulated it. which was the he watched that movie and left thought like is it bad that I was? Moore's I really really cared about this guy during like the gambling sequence at the end and then didn't care when the other thing thing happens and I was like. Oh yeah and and that kind of how. I felt the same way and I don't know if that tells me we were these. Filmmakers priorities are in terms of creating a feeling but not really caring about the people. That much I I feel like they're good at creating world and capturing worlds and I felt like the diamond district that they bring to life in. This movie is really great. I just don't think they care about the people necessarily I don't think I mean I'm not like this is not a knock against in that. They're not humanist. I don't think all directors have to be humanist but like think about how much more interesting that movie would have been if Sidney Lumet had actually directed instead of like this sort of Sidney. Luke met like thing we get shots fired now. I feel like that's fair. I don't know I like them and I'm curious to see what else they do you but this is the first thing I've seen them do that. Where I was just like okay I get it I have nothing I have nothing but but Excitement for for whatever the next thing is. Are you happy that I came around and the Irishman. Oh my God yes I was. I was nervous because all we need to talk about the the ways that you watched it yet blew. It is the first time I blew it. I didn't I wasn't one hundred percent locked in attention unwise and it was on and there's a lot going on and I got distracted by the CGI and it was just a really really long story with a lot of components and and there's a certain movies you have to see two or three times before. The Jigsaw puzzle falls in place in your head and then you can start really looking at it and for me. It was the second time I knew everything that was going to happen. I knew he was gonna get old at the end all that stuff. I understood the the big reveal and then I was able but actually watch it and I was like Oh okay I get it and you know I couldn't have been twenty minutes shorter. Yeah but I I think I think the three hour rangers probably the right length further for what he was trying to do with that movie and stretching all that stuff I still don't feel like the. CGI totally he worked And it was really hard to tell the age difference with Deniro depending basically had to judge it by visser was darker or not as dark but When you consider the history of it with going back to Casino Goodfellas Scorsese Deniro? And just having all these guys in the same movie once I was Zabell to come to grips with the plot and how long it was what was going on and just kind of a joy for that it just kind of made sense to me in it and now I get it. Well we'll we'll think Although I mean I'm very open to people not liking this movie is it's it's very it's I I'm I don't mind that I think that I've to sort of big thoughts about the Irishman like we can we can. We can talk about the details later but I just want to present to thoughts about this movie. One one thought I'm presenting is just to counter counter act the this sort of complaints about the CGI and about the lint And that is basically and this is going to connor maybe ruin ruin it for anybody. Who hasn't seen it? But I stopped listening and comeback or whatever But the movie I won't actually spoil spoiler come back and back and back I won't spoil it. I'll just talk around it but the movie is essentially presented as a rumination on a thing. That happened rate. You you are watching a man speak but you know this in the opening scene is talking about his life right and there's something about I any time and I've got like the next time. Scorsese does this. I will not roll my eyes because after between the three and Hugo and special effects in this movie I just I understand this man's attraction to to certain aspects of technology Or like like new technology and the appeal here to me is like an Hugo. The reason to do the three D. was just to send that train toward their eyes but off to the side so it's even more exciting when the trading doesn't it you I feel like in the Irishman the way the special effects were are essentially early to get close to me as a movie is ever gotten to the way you remember your life when you tell L. A. Story I'm not as I'm not as old as Deniro is in this movie But when I am in my eighties I imagined that one thing. I'm not a ninety ninety one year old grandmother. I talked to her all the time about things that happened in the past and one day. I said greedy. Who you see when you when you tell me these these stories and she's like I see me and I'm like Greenie? What is that look like? And she's like well it's like it's like what I looked like what I looked like in nineteen forty eight when I berthier mother dislike I but she she like it some combination of my ninety year old grandmother my ninety one year old grandmother and my grandmother when she he was twenty or nineteen years old and so the way that Deniro even that stomping scene which by the way Nitsa a baby from the New York Times magazine. Enroll my favorite thing about maybe the Irishman but definitely about the technology and the CGI and the movie and that kick it stomping seen You can find it now. I'll allow mixture you It any way you can find you stopping seeing an it as you age find on the Internet somewhere near Time magazine anyway. I just feel like there's something about the way that the CGI works to sort of function Shen to facilitate the way. We remember things having happened. According to something that isn't entirely real but his real to us and it isn't so much to call into question the factual nature of what we're watching. It's just that it is key found a way to visualize allies. What memory looks like to the person remembering it in a way? That is also I don't no I mean some some cinematographers have really good lighting tricks For that or some directors who got lighting trick for that I I think that using the technology in that particular way to sort of make the faces simultaneously middle middle aged and old and also sort of lit from within but not but not like accurately or authentically elite whatever age they are in the in the in the in the year that they're behaving I just found that really fascinating and I guess the first time you watched movie. It's off putting because it does look strange but better. Yeah yeah I I do like about it. Well once once the the first viewing was able to set what happens in the head and I was able to watch it and you know. I'm not the first person to make this point but it's really a movie about when you get old reckoning with the choices you made you know and at some point you're going to be there and if you cheated on your way French divorced you and you're not that he did this movie but you know you had instead head of having a marriage where tailender there for each other. It's just you by yourself. Those the choices you made and at some point you're gonna be in a bed. or a couch and reconciling. Oh I should have treated this person better. Oh I shouldn't have done that or conversely. Oh I'm so glad I did this this this and this because now as I'm looking at the tail end I still have these people around me who love me and add these great memories and that's really what the movie's about an and like we talked when we did once once upon a time in Hollywood about how important that Margot we talked about an apocalypse couple months ago how important Margot Robbie character is and how stupid people were when they're like she's been marginalized she's the and it's I know you guys are missing it. She's the most important character in the movie. Because it's all about the hope and excitement of the starting your career are and that's what Tarantino cared about. And that's why he did that movie. Because it was about the hope of the beginning of a career versus when you're facing the mortality of the into your career career and he's gone back and forth in those two things and I think if I'm asking myself why does Scorsese WanNa make this movie. I think it's probably because 'cause he's at a point in his life where he's starting to look back now at forty five fifty years of movies and decisions and all that stuff and starting to reconcile with it and that's why this is so important uh-huh that's why he didn't care how long it was so I support it. I get it now but it took me. I am ashamed to say it took me to viewings. That's pretty. That's not not bad at all. I mean especially given where you started out you know I. It's not a movie. This is unfortunate thing about about this. Is the others sort of largest auto about about this movie. It kind of sucks that that the thing that we have to talk about when we talk about the Irishman arrangement is the thing that we didn't previously have to talk about. What the Scorsese movie? Which is did you watch it right where we are as? Yeah I mean this was the Roma problem where people were like starting the movie and then like going to go to the door or you know take a bath and then finish the movie for a little bit more. Which I guess is how you know? We've always watched movies in some way given what happens when they leave the theater. But I think that when that is sort of predominant way that you experienced something that maybe wasn't meant to be watched in I think just the change of Are Viewing Habits in general deserves a certain kind of of of cinematic filmmaking current time in Hollywood right if you if you watch your house and you stop three times urged it's different. Yeah I'm with you I it's funny. In that Nichols Book. They were talking about this one Broadway play. He did yeah. He's the best. Probably one of the best to Broadway directors ever. I think it was hurly-burly or it was like five hours and a founding hurly-burly that long but maybe maybe his producing it. I can't remember the play. But he's fighting with the guy who wrote it about cutting at the scene because he was so adamant that if he got rid of the scene the length of the movie made more sense but it chopped it to like four hours and forty minutes hits you like can you imagine if somebody didn't play now. That was four hours and forty minutes. who had sit through that like seven people but I think what the attention spans you know? The airy potter show is all day. That's Harry Potter though. Those people are nuts. I WanNa talk about best to two thousand eighteen but we get one creek. Hey turn your dream into reality squarespace. squarespace makes it easier than ever to launch your passion project. Whether you're looking to start a new business showcase showcase your work published content sell products and more squarespace the tool for you. Beautiful templates created by world-class designers. 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I know you're you were GONNA do some stuff early February. Where we're we'll have to go through town important caveat? The one movie. I haven't seen that I have to still see is nineteen seventeen which after after when nuts in the golden globes. I was like oh Jesus Jesus A it was on the list than it ever got there so I assume it will be in there but as you know I like to make these lists not based based on how what I felt like the best movie was in the can say what it is. Just what I like the most. This is the what I like the most list. which if it over laps with best of two thousand eighteen so bit so I have six at the top once upon a time in Hollywood uncut gems the Irishman Ford versus Ferrari little women? Oh and marriage story. That's my top six and I'll make the case for Ford versus for our because I think that's been either in or out on people's lists depending as you know I just like when movie stars or movie movie stars sometimes and it's very important every once in a while to make a movie where it's just really well done big ass movie. That's fun to see in the theater and have movie stars being movie stars if you just do that from every once in a while. I'm really happy and that was with us it. She's his bail and Damon really good race car scenes. Really Great Story. I learned a lot wasn't too long. I was just satisfied when I left the theater. And I. I don't think it'll get any sort of any Oscar stuff but I just wish they made more movies like that. So that's my top six. Are you surprised by anybody in the six I'm surprised that you like marriage. Juries much as you did chow divorce Okay so no that. Those are all great I feel like if I were. I did not make list this year and I have to say I'm very happy I didn't have to deal with that but So I like everything on your list all the way I think I'm missing. What four versus versus Ferrari Irishman marriage story once upon a time in Hollywood asthma? So you probably had a parasite okay I like all those gems I would not put on my top. Can I mean that movie is basically created for being. It's Adam Sandler handler. Kevin Garnett make franchises in it. It's tense there's the two thousand twelve celtics. There's a huge gambling plot. Like what else would I want the movie baby uh-huh and honestly there's good looking actresses like it's basically hit every checkbook. I have The next I will say it's an amazing scene. Where where he leaves the wife and the kids in the car to go into the apartment of the mistress and he sends the son in that like the stress in? This movie is very very high. But there's a moment where he goes into the Mississippi Department and do you remember a song playing language he goes. I don't know why I remember this. But like a reason the reason to not for me to give up on the Safdie after you brothers given how little I believe in them is when he goes into the apartment they're playing. I swear I think it's Madonna's rain is playing on the sound system and they let the song play while he's in the apartment for most of that seat and I'm like you know what you know. What's after brothers? I'm I'M GONNA stick with you give up. Obviously there's something up. There's a kind of film making where there's a kind of filmmaker were you just like their little choices. That that that that a director can make. I'm very easy. You do one little thing and even even if I'm not crazy about your movie I'm with you in this was the I'm sure that like the Sean fantasies and my friend. Eric Hines who was a very big Shafie. Brothers Fan They're hearing me say this and they're like well there's a thousand of those in in in any of the others after you brothers movies but this for me. He was the moment in mind in my. You know uncut gems experience where I would just Yup. Okay I like you guys I was surprised movie ever made it really is. I was surprised how much I enjoyed little women and I thought it was really well done. I thought it was well. Cast of that as well executed it was a story. They make every twenty twenty five years and it's really hard to mix it up. It's going to be basically the same movie every time. But they really managed to make you feel like there were themes themes in it that resonated with two thousand eighteen impressed. I wasn't sure why they were doing it when I thought I was like. Oh that's lame. Don't do that if I like the WINONA ONARATO and came out ten years ago. It was really twenty five but I was impressed by how good it was. Okay I will go back to a year ago. When I heard that at this was Greta Gerwig was going to do after lady? Bird and I believe I'm on the record with you. Guys being like an extremely ardent lover of lady bird I think I think that is just one of the most beautiful full special American movies I've ever seen and there's so many great scenes in that movie where you just are like. I don't even ask you this. I don't even know how it occurred to her to write the scene and then to play to get Laurie metcalf or Beanie Feldstein or Timothy. Shallow Mayor Tracy. Let's run in any of those people to like. Bring that stuff to life I just it is it is just. I mean I'm getting getting. I've kinda cheering up. Just thinking about how much I love. Lady Bird So when when I heard that she was going to do little women it was a little bit like You're agent talk to you into this. Well I didn't think that actually you know I really didn't think that. Would I actually thought was I knew. Immediately I knew immediately why Greta GERWIG would choose to make little women. I just given how little I like. I mean I'm going to call Louisa May alcott intellectual property But I don't mean it. The sound like it star wars but I do think there is something about Greta. Gerwig being such original voiced. Don't make her the the the idea like I would have expected her. I would've hoped that she would have made the equivalent of Jordan. Peele US three movie so that's so not adapted from anything except upped his own imagination and like curiosity about about who we are as human beings But in a weird way she she basically did do that. This movie is so alive and it is such A. It's such a smart way of thinking about a thing that we take for granted as a work of popular culture in little women and asking these real serious questions about least sort of feminist questions about women in work and women marriage and women in relation to each other like. They're they're biologically sisters but the question is like. Is there a difference prince between biological sisterhood and like cultural sisterhood. And like if there is a difference what should the differences require. Are Your obligate you to do for two On on behalf of your sister I don't know Oh man she can also open a scene like she opened a movie like like not box office wise but like the opening scene of the film. She knows she Knows how to like. Take your breath away in the first five minutes of a movie Just that shot for standing in the doorway or like outside That door stealing or suffer whatever is about to happen in on the other side of it. We don't really know what she's doing. Except that we read the book we Kinda Now I don't know oh I just I really I so loved this movie. I'm so tired of like reading these stories about why men are going. Who Cares? I mean mentioned. See the movie but but I don't care like I saw this movie. What the second time I thought it was with a room full of winning and I I did not care? That's it didn't feel like a crisis to me. You just summed up one of the many problems with the Internet. Discourse as we head into twenty twenty that that was an actual storyline. That people were writing about and just pissed off and angry about that. Not Enough people were seeing being little women. It's men whoever. It can't get mad because because somebody doesn't want to watch something it doesn't take away from how good the movie was. It's like go look at it a different way all right. These people are morons. They're missing being out on a great movie like that's it it's over it. It doesn't have to turn into this. You know whole culture discussion and a way for the people who once again look at themselves ago where are we. What are we doing life in this whole victim? Culture thing that's happened it's like all right. People fucked up. They didn't go. See this movie okay. So what still great movie is it still be delighted that it exists that not everything has turned into like the beyond our discussion. I I don't know I think people are on a final next movie and it's GonNa really matter and it's going to have long lives in. It's like you know my daughter who it's hard to get under to sit through to our movies like she fucking loved it and she's fourteen and if he can hit that person and me in the same room like the that move is going to have legs eggs. Yeah I mean I think it just like it's shot it's made in this way that just like even though it's set you know in eighteen thousand eight hundred sixty four five six. It's not just it's it's it spans time but but essentially it said in the sort of antebellum reconstruction does that apply in in in whatever org during that era in that postwar period. And it's the first one of these little women movies to actually make the war and the family's relationship to the war makes sense the way that you have these like like good New England people sort of talk shit about the Friedman which are you know? Three black people. it just it is it is it is it is a very The the ambience around around what is actually happening in this country while also sort of focusing on the lives of these of these women is also really interesting. I hi is a black person. Do not need a movie to acknowledge every single horrible thing to happen in this country because I know Louisa May alcott. I was able to write that book under these circumstances without really being aware of what was going on. I think the movies responsibilities these to acknowledge the thing that that alcott acknowledged and Gerwig. Does I think an even more sort of Attractive job AH making. The climbs of the country seem reeler without going too far. When I say too far I mean doing something something? That then calls into question why she didn't go even further right I think it's just a perfect tonal. Moral balance of keeping keeping in. Mind this horrible thing that is happening Well also looking at these individual people who were living a life during this time. It's a really good movie it. Yeah it's okay that it wasn't nominated for a golden globe. Here's why the fucking Golden Globes are terrible. They're they're the worst every year. The fucking guy who played out and John What he won best actor. You're mad that living limited get nominated for Golden Globe. It's an idiot. Antica Word Cervetti Torres got nominated for Golden Globe. Once you're mad they be mad if it it does get nominated for an Oscar because that'd be outrageous. It was one of the best movies but even in America. Dole I mean are Y be shocked. Why be shocked Casino Casino to the point to the degree that it matters this man question To the degree that matters it does matter in terms of how the Academy Functions Right the academy is still. I don't remember I don't know what the what the numbers are. But it's still lake not accurately reflective of what the gender split it is in this country It's still I don't want to offer a number 'cause in my brain I'm I I think it's like eighty percent and that could be right. Maybe okay so eighty percent white Eighty something percent white and like sixty something percent male I don't have that great. US's survey with it's still it's nine movies can get nominated. It's going to be one of the nine and we're fine. Yeah I mean one of the nine but I feel like but but but I think that this question question is why you have to see nineteen seventeen by the way because I think the way that that movie is functioning in the way they we remember the year is almost kind as like Moral corrective about the way we watch are movies even CNN does speech at the Golden Globes when he won when the movie line. I think I think it was his. I think it was his I think it was the the winning. The Best Drama Golden Globe and speech was basically like y'all need to watch a movie in the movie theater. You need to watch it as this. This award is for. This is for the way you should be watching movies. not this other Netflix Irishman marriage story aroma. Way Either Watch it the old fashioned way by paying money going to a theater and sitting in a seat and seeing you know the amazing Gimmick Nick that I've created I actually Wesley more as I think is is really really great But I think that the thing like one thing that's going to happen with this with these movies this year. Is this question of like this idea that an exist in all of it. I mean not all of them but a lot of them that little little women sorta stands somewhat opposed to write it is. It's an joker Tarantino movie. It's an Irishman In some ways it's in it's in nineteen seventeen four versus Ferrari which is just dislike this sort of this bizarre bygone era look at at at at men and white men and demise and this thing this slipping away and the thing. That's amazing about little women is. It's like what happens just to women when men go off to do something I mean as it turns out kind of everything. It's great well nine hundred seventeen gene. That's the last piece for me. So add top six. But I'm assuming nineteen seventeen is going to be there by all accounts. It's it's really curious to nice to hear I loved it. I have four movies at four movies rounding out by top ten but these are second tier okay and this is where the list arts gala walkie parasite way moving waves. ooh I love ways. Waves his brain waves. Great I I didn't know it was can happen. I intentionally didn't read anything and it took me on a journey and I fully support it. Can I just pause for one second for anybody who didn't see waves. I I have been begging people to see this movie. It's not a secret. I really love trail. I think he is one. I mean because the movies are changing changing and there were fewer young directors to like not go in make you know with all due respect to the doctors who do wind up doing this. He he has ideas and he has like things inside him in his brain and his psychology. The he wants to use filmmaking to work cout and this movie is so attuned to the rhythms of certain kinds of mail being and then by extension to the rhythms of certain kind of like teenage girl out of I just he's so oh good at thinking with his heart And making movies. There's so many shots in this movie that that nobody's ever come up with before I mean with all due respect to say Mendis and and Roger Deacons who directed and shot nine hundred seventeen. It's true that nobody technically has done what they've done but like nobody really really has done with chair. We're Schultz is done in some of the shots in this movie and you know the opening the the the not the opening shop. There's a there's a shot near the very beginning of the movie be. I've never seen that shot before of you know. The cameras are to spinning around the car. No and and the way he used colors a couple of times to resume smell my God the colors and the sound this movie. It's really good. Yeah so see waves my my last two. This is where this turns into very bill list. I have good boys rank ninth. I can look good. Good boys is great by son. Watched it fourteen times. uh-huh I just was you know maybe uncut gems by the way that's been symtas Godfather one and two. I think it's just really hard to make a movie. That is funny in the same way. Like some of the last decades comedies. Were funny anywhere. You can't cross some of the lines that those things did but it's basically super bad for younger kids and they do a nice job of really really pushing in the envelope without being completely insane and there's a real heart to it and it's about friendship and it's fucking funny and I just really liked it and then my last one. It's so much more than super bad. You're never gonNA guess last one. Oh my God it's a horror movie US An it's not midsummer it black Christmas. No I I didn't even save black Christmas should i. Is it one of the Annabelle Movies Bill. Now Bright Burn. I'll hang up break burn. Ooh I never saw that. So so bright. Burn it's basically the omen but it's an alien so this couple really wants to have a kid and then all of a sudden it's Elizabeth banks and her husband. I forget his name and then this spaceship thing crashes into their backyard and it to end this is their kid in. It's a little baby and they raise the baby and their son. Sounds like an insane premise. Right but superman. It's like well. What could go wrong here? Well A lot. The answer is a lot and it was just. I didn't know what it was. And it was fucking scary and my whole family was terrified by it and it's just really good and I'm surprised That I don't know how well it did but I thought it was the best horror movie I saw this year and I always like put horror movies Tut tense. There you go honorable mention hustlers. I just for jailed. I thought constants. Who is terrible but I thought J.? Lo is terrific triple frontier everything. I want from net flicks action. Movie just wanted to shout it out. High Flying Bird really liked. How inventively was Long shot the second time was better than the first time I just love Charlotte and it allowed our lease. It was like young adult where it just it. Let Charlie's Shirley's which I appreciated. I really liked peanut butter Falcon. ooh And I was impressed by knives out. I thought there was a little too much hype but I thought it was good and then the last two I have US on the second time was better than the first time. I think he did a lot in that movie that I I the first time. It's just so weird second time really picking up stuff and and your girl is fantastic in it and then a message summer midsummer I never WANNA see again but but was the most fucked up movie. I think I've seen in five years and everybody should see it. Who likes cowed? You see it no. Do you like fucked up movies Kyle. Yeah all right there you go. It's it's the craziest break-up movie anyone's ever made I'm Gonna I'm GonNa say that That's a I mean if any if the poster if the poster just said hat instead of instead of that beautiful artful thing they did I in the post the richest said the most fucked up. Break up movie you're ever GONNA see. Yeah Yeah Yeah We. We had a really great start and as a really great star. I just did not feel like there's a lot of filler in this movie that it does not need to be there but it has to be there to get to to build something to get you to that to that really bizarre ending. It's one of those movies that now I saw three weeks ago. I still kind of a Lotta stuff is still etched in my brain and I kind of wish it wasn't i. I wish you could take a paranoid August. I never wanted to see it again. But it it. It was just really unique and a lot of ways and I thought that that Guy He did hereditary. He's good I wanted to give you my Elena give you my worst movies in the air but I think we should save that for another podcast. I'll I just let you know that Richard Jewell is on the list. Oh Yeah oh I can't wait to talk to you Richard Jewel and Mister Rogers. Here's the movie is not on the list but I just want to point out how disappointed I was in that movie that it actually is a two hour movie about some magazine writer that I I don't care about movie I didn't realize it was about this. Random fucking guy that I could care less about an anniversary but his dad Yeah I mean again. It's another thing to put on the list but these other movies but I think Marielle Heller who directed it is wonderful. I think she's really good. The director I think my problem with that movies and my hustlers problem which is like. Don't y'all know what you got in terms of like having these he's like really interesting people and you keep upstaging them with with journalism. I Love Them. They are not. We're not interesting. I mean I don't know what you're richer Joel. Problem is but I feel like we really got to retake or relationship to like how I mean a- At least there Richard Jewel. It's not a device in court little device. It is a divisive ritual I feel like the thing with with with A beautiful the neighborhood is I just didn't care I just that's how I felt. It was like why do I care about this guy. and His family and whether his magazine editors happy with how the features coming along so how the fuck is this a movie what are we doing. Here's my problem with Richard Jewel through and then we'll go the movie hinges on Olivia Wilde's character who by all accounts is factually inaccurate. And maybe even in like a really severely libellous Lee way getting information from Jon Hamm the FBI agent whose character is not a real life character. Whose character does not exist in realize this is all the movie hinges? It is on this and it's like oh he's a composite of various. FBI people yeah the FBI. Didn't like Richard Jewell very much. We don't really have any real evidence that this is the case. So we've all compiled and at the Jon Hamm's character who's now being seduced by the super slutty Atlanta reporter. WHO's not actually the super slutty and this didn't happen? This is your movie. I everything you're saying is a hundred dollars through how is that not recoverable I have two weaknesses when it comes to movies. I've several weaknesses. But two of them include such things as changing the aspect ratio emotion picture picture. which ways does at the halfway point the shape of the screen changes in the image in the screen? Then changes Thing number two. Yeah she's great she's great and I really. Yeah I really like a while to and and it makes me mad that the character is just so deeply flawed. And I'm not one of those people that usually get carried away with shit like that but this people will watch this movie and think this is the story. Richard Jewell was not the story of Richard Jewel. What is this yeah I think your problem with the movie though is not Abou- how whether or not those things are true or false? The problem that I think you have with the movie because you could make a similar argument commit about the Irishman for instance right In terms of like what like what's true and what's not true about the Irishman But the thing that's an old guy making a probably two thirds of the Shit in the movie which I think is basically knowledge right right exactly that is that is part of that but I also I think that it's like it bothers also bothers you because it doesn't work in the movie right. It doesn't even seem boohoo. Like I don't know which. which chew or false and Richard Jewel? I just know what strikes me as as a problem mechanically mechanically it. Just didn't it didn't make any sense to me like it. It just the way that that's the way that you'd be conducting business in order to for the for Clint Eastwood and screenwriter to tell a story Tom had to figure out how to get from point. A. To Point B. and somebody came up with the idea in the room and that I thought it was really embarrassing thing and it dry it you know it'd be the equivalent like I while the Richard Jewell thing is a big deal. This isn't some random little story we get to mess row at. This was an enormous story in the nineteen nineties and in say quivalent like if somebody made an OJ Simpson movie and in the movie. There's this fake female character sir. On Johnny Cochran's legal team that seeps with Chris Darden and convinces him to have. OJ tried to try on the glove the next day and this is a pivotal scene in the the movie everybody would go. That's fucking crazy. How is this in the movie? This is an OJ move. You can have that in there. You made that up and in the Richard Jewel. It's like yeah. 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The most pro-Brexit city in the U.K.

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

27:24 min | 1 year ago

The most pro-Brexit city in the U.K.

"This marketplace podcast is brought to you by pinata for businesses. And universities Panatta was everything YouTube isn't with enterprise grade security built in recording and live streaming and a unique search engine that finds any words spoken in any video. And Optima was how professionals share knowledge this. Marketplace podcast is brought to you by Sabi. Hot cloud storage thinking about moving your data storage to the cloud with Saudi is enterprise class. Cloud storage at a fifth of the price of Amazon S three and up to six times faster with no hidden fees for egress or API requests. So the free trial. It was Sabi dot com. Dateline? Boston england. The original Boston gang a construction site on bridge street right smack in the middle of town. About how about radio you guys wanna talk radio for a minute. What about tomorrow if we come back tomorrow? Good. Really where? Reminder in posted. So I've gathered. Very rich career. Don't don't get yourself run over. All right now. No, no yelling while we're talking to him. Tell me your name. From the United Kingdom inside the European Union four now special reports the rest of this week Brexit finally from American public media. This is marketplace. In London Dave from the studios of the BBC on KYW. Resolve good as always to have you along everybody. It is Wednesday the twenty seventh of March. It has been a thousand and seven days since the people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union thousand seven days of political paralysis and economic who knows what we're going to stipulate right upfront here that the politics of Brexit, the politics of the United Kingdom and the European Union are not our story. So you are not gonna find him on this program this week, but those political decisions have real. Meaning when the economy is on the line, which is how this past Saturday morning. We found ourselves up in Boston England. The most pro Brexit city in this country, three hours by train from London give or take walking around talking to people, including our friend Hamish. So you're what do you do for a living? Tell me Thomas stonemason stone house business you I mean, you're working on building. Now, come on thing here. Busy. But was it c. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Busy. So why did you want to remain? A thank you for the economy. If you not bothered by the politics economy, we don't make any more in Britain. We used to in the sixties. I think it'd be better for everybody in general keep things stable held are you on twenty three? You're young guy. Yeah. What about all your buds on your mates that you drink beer with on a Friday afternoon? What do they say? They're they're they're all that. Are they all Brexit tears? Yeah. How come? You have to ask them. Well, I tried. They're just yelling at me too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What sue? But. But break Brexit is going to happen, right? Eventually it will have to. And then what's it going to be like in here? Nope. Nope. The dust. Nobody knows today. So. Could be good could be bad. But it's going to happen. There's no stopping it. Now are you from Boston originally? Were you came here from work? Yeah. How long ago? While being on business this job six months as so if I come back in a year, he and Brexit has happened. What do you think it's going to be like? Here. I don't think it will change very much in Boston. But I think in London Manchester Liverpool arts, you think things will of slowed down more than the already have done due to a steroid things. That's the other part of this, right? As government austerity. I'm just gonna wait for these bars. So what do you think when you when you walk around, and you see all these shops? What do you think? Thought everything kennison love it because it's been in Lincolnshire. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. But it's based do to it being. Well, just just as cheap to go on holiday to Spain to as to have a holiday in England these days, so for now, Brexit Brexit hands right in Spanish. Yeah. I'm what are your options? Right. I mean, you're are you an apprentice, you're you're trained or your Johnny on fought fully qualified stonemason your mobile, you could pick up your chisel as it were and go anywhere. Yeah. Could they could say if it got to that stage could go anywhere in the world. No, he's doing well. He's doing well. And look what what what whatever it is. I'll make it up. All right. Yeah. What? Oh, man. What's that permitted? We got five minutes. Go. About an hour. That's not bad. Yeah. Well since he brought it up. How do you how much do you make it? How do you get by? You've got to get by what you make. So you wouldn't do it? If you didn't lock it you'd you'd leave because that's crazy. Good for your hammers. Thanks. Yeah. Jason, right. So that was Hamish. We thought it might be useful. Interesting. Maybe for some context to hear what we were talking about on this program a thousand and six days ago that is the day after the Brexit vote who you I think the word panic is wrong to use the word uncertainty. However is critise after forty years of a u membership. The UK is headed for the departure lounge. Probably the worst self inflicted engine policy wound, then it country has done since the second World War. The UK will still be an important trading partner for the remaining you countries that eagles hotel, California that you can check out anytime you like, but you can never really leave. You can never leave the global economy is the gist of that one. So that was then we are here now in a couple of days after we got here. I sat down with our BBC colleague anew on. We went over some listener questions about Brexit. Those are coming up tomorrow. But I also asked her what I call the make me care. Question. All right. So here's here's arguably the toughest question if I'm an American consumer of business economic news make me care about Brexit. All right. So I could say to you. I could have justifiably said to you ten years ago. What's the US subprime market to do me? Okay. Yeah. And what really what does it have to me? Here's the thing with Brexit after the referendum vote. We haven't even left yet after the referendum. The Dow lost six hundred points. Okay. That's not small change two trillion dollars. Value was erased from global markets. So yes, it's really far away in. Oh my God. Is it detailed in boring even for us? But it does have an impact and you've got the American investment and companies in the U K is huge. Similarly, British investment in America is huge. So some people say that, you know, Brexit, whatever happens that could affect up to two million jobs. British un-american hard to say how many which, but that's a lot of jobs and again global downturns of two solo right? They do indeed more from new and the city of Boston England coming up in a minute. Couple of words about Boston England here and why we went first of all Boston Massachusetts students of American history might know, the name John cotton, one of the big puritan clergyman in the Massachusetts bay colony who left for the new world from his job as vicar at Saint both offs church in Boston England, there is in fact, a plaque out front of that church in his memory second of all as I said a minute ago. Boston is the most pro Brexit city in England seventy five percent in favor of leaving the European Union. So we got on a train on Saturday and up. We wins. Is the food fifty the first glance it's pretty clear. The center of town has seen better days immigration is the big deal here driven mostly by recent arrivals from the eastern European countries that joined the EU and two thousand four there are lots of closed storefronts and the ones that are open or not all that bist. This is pretty funny you should fancy dress. And I thought you meant dresses. Nice to see you. How are you? No. That's all right. I'm going to stand here. And he's gonna stick the microphone in your face. How about that Oakham on now? We'll just we'll just Chit chat for a little while, man. Tell me what this is what is this store. Different styles. Funds. Dress smoke can acquit -ment also fascinating could huge favorites or the radio down. So do tell me about Boston, would you? What is what's this town? Like, no comments. Really it used to be a lovely town. It's not anymore. What happened? Now. The immigration. Really? Yes. How long you been hearing about twenty two years? Now, how come what's going on immigration? My little girl got little Gail nursery of a. A Gallup promise skull that got it promise. Go h absent for class is. Furnace. So you think it'd be better if if Britain left, the EU, and you didn't have to deal with immigration? No, I didn't think I did come out of the. Jude's just what's happened in Boston. So let's say Brexit actually does happen whenever that's going to be right now. We don't know how long do you think it's gonna take to change back to the way you want it? I think back. Well, it's not. It's never gonna guy back. Not going to be able to get rid of the other. I I've got lots of foreign friends. I've got nothing against them on God's places a have things done and a foreign headdresses beauty salons. I don't know. It's just so if you don't think it's going to get better ride, but there's gonna be some economic pain with with Brexit. What then what I have no idea what will happen stalls closing already. We've got now. Hi, straight round here anymore. You've got to walk down here and every shopping. Yeah. It's it's pretty quiet this nice stalls to buy a thing. The only stalls there is especially down this street as foreign supermarkets eastern. European supermarkets everywhere. So what's going to happen? I doubt no doubt. Now, what will happen because? The not going to be even if we leave and not going to leave other people it's already here on going to leave the hia. What's it going to change? It's not going to change anything. Thanks for your time. Turn the radio back on. All right. Thanks. I think can think of Chines. We will say. Coming up. I have the one nine popcorn chicken snuck, folks. Plays more from the people of Boston UK, but first student numbers. Here you go gang down dust recovered a bit after midday dropdown dose royals finish down. Ten percent. Thirty two points twenty-five thousand six twenty five. The NASDAQ off six tenths percent about forty eight point seventy six forty three the S and P five hundred down four-tenths thirteen points closed at twenty eight five we've been talking about Boston UK throughout the show. So we thought we check in with companies based in Boston Mass General electric down one and three tenths percent today. Telecommunications maker American tower corporation lost just under a half percent information management company. Iron Mountain dropped two tenths percent defense. Contractor Raytheon down about six tenths percent today. Bond. Prices rose yield on the ten year treasury note, Trump did two point three eight percent, man. I know I've been gone for a while. But three eight percent. Holy cow. You're listening to marketplace. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by with Sabi. Hot cloud storage, thinking about moving your data storage to the cloud enterprise class cloud storage at one fifth the price of Amazon S three and up to six times faster with no hidden. And fees for egress or a API requests was obvious low cost high speed fully secure storage blows away the competition, including Google Microsoft disruption starts here. Do the math for yourself and start a free trial at Sabi dot com. And by Lincoln when it's time to make a higher for your small business naturally. 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And get fifty dollars off your first job post. That's Lincoln dot com slash marketplace. Terms and conditions apply. This is marketplace, I'm KAI Ryssdal. Back nat- special coverage of Brexit are day-trip up to Boston England last weekend. Saturday turns out is market day in Boston. There's a farmer's market stall selling everything from pliers to scarves and socks. Also, a butcher truck with a very amplified butcher selling his wares. And then unchurched street heading down to Saint off the church. John cotton was the vicar at from earlier in the show there is love laces flowers. So do me a favor and tell me who you are Maxine HALE and is this your storm. Yes. It is yet. How long did it? When Jews business kind of out. Yeah. You sound surprised when you say that? Well, it's never going to be long kit walls is it. But it's okay. For the time for the time. We all. Well, tell me how it was. Well, it used to be before supermarket Celtic selling flowers and doing all sorts of things like that. So obviously local florist show the miss out somewhere along the line. So do me a favor and put this local flower shop in the global trade conversation, right? This Brexit thing and the extension and who knows what's going to happen. Does that matter in your daily life? Not. No, it's so do you think it's going to matter in the life of the city of Boston England, I wouldn't have Sinai. I really wouldn't see why. I mean, we was biggest populated county actually voted to get out. So why do you think that was I would think pope ably the huge influx of EU citizens? You know, if anybody comes hit two on the site, but we don't really need to hang us on. And is that how you voted by the way to leave leave you did. And it was a why? Jay belief in well, trite don't believe that we should be stuck with just the EU. That was my big thing. The fact that they had open borders. I didn't agree with that basically because of the huge influx of EU citizens and the the own kids count, really get jobs. So this was an immigration vote for you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think ninety nine percents of the the county would vote the same way. Are you going to be irritated? If what was up happening is delays. And then some more delays and than the whole idea of Brexit. Because you know, Jim, Chris Ebola just gone straight out the window. What what was the point of it in the first place? If that is what they had in mind. I mean, we don't know really the full story do because we don't get to know have kids. I'd say there what twenty five thirty. In the thirties outta leave? Did yet. Are they around here? Same basic live in the same. Yeah. In the country outside thanks for your time. Latest. Thank you. Thank you Bye-bye. A right turn out the front door of Maxine place gets us back up to market square. There. We ran into Stacey Andrew. She is twenty six years old on her lunch break from a local pawn shop, and she's headed to KFC you've been here your whole life. Yes. What's it like growing up in Boston? And as nice it used to be really good eighteen. Everything's not Bill on is being really different is lots down lie. Full more. Why if you go down with street and high she's so European sodas fry VIN offing fa- people if they might hold off Akao mall Cates an hour shops. You look to be my I have a fulltime job. There is no jobs. Twenty six. Going to go to university invent trial. If you don't want to do that. And you just wanna stay on your hometown, it's hard because you don't want to be my age go into a four hour job is beneficial for you, do you think Brexit's going to make a difference one way or the other? I would like to think it album claps I did out. But that's because like when I was growing up that was I when I was fourteen I had a pipe around the weekend when left school and went straight into retail retail was dying sewing ballwig's was you know, ball what doesn't really die site out then spice. Yes. The close in. Let's get your line on I want you to mission lunch hour. Show. How how do you think Brexit is going to make it better? That's the question. I would want to think without being disrespectful that it's going to concentrate on my be people, my age group of people that have been older that have gone into important jobs. So. Fink more about the people a thing that would be beneficial. The nine popcorn chicken snuck, folks. Please. Lays and could I have fizzy from tres place. Phase. Tangos? A knife. Another thing. People going to say it you come blame on the Europeans. But you can't blame it on the Europeans because the compare for better life, and that's not their fault for one into that you on you know, if we will not we would do that. Of course, you would your whom and not and you want a lot for your family. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Let me give all let you get back to your own. You. Thank you. So that was our Saturday in Boston a remainder some levers and not a whole lot of agreement on what happens once Frakes? It does finally happen. Also for what it's worth a whole bunch of people who are just sick and tired of Brexit and didn't wanna talk to us at all. After a quick break. A trip out to the city of bath. And more from our BBC colleague anew. Ana. So as I said Saturday was Boston Sunday was at train ride out to the city of bath. Is tourists its picturesque loads and loads of history out. There are BBC colleague annand medicine the train station and showed us around bit. We were walking up here from the train station where you met us. And we were chitchatting as people do. And you're pointing out the the the retail revival. That's happened in the last, you know, number of years in this town, but they are all most of them change. There's a Laura Ashley there's a Tommy hilfiger. It's I'm not seeing any bath local businesses in a way bath is also kind of going through the same economic heartaches that everyone else's in the sense that you know, the local politicians all kind of geared towards bringing in those big retailers who pay really nice big juicy rents to the detriment of people who actually live here. He find it exorbitantly expensive to run a business and pay the taxes and the rents. Are just walked past a stationery store that's been here for several generations. It's shut. And so there was a real conversation going on about. How do we change that? Do we change our politics? How do we get the politicians to change the economics? How we take back control from big chains to local people were Jusin away the story of Brexit. Right. Because the people who voted to leave said we're going to get back to that. It is a story of Brexit. And I think the difference is just that, you know, leave and remain see that problem through different Prizms leave see the problem as being you know, immigration and the European Union and globalization, and these local troubles are all part of one thing. And I think for remain they see the cultural exchange in the trading exchange, the positive thing, and that these economic problems are perhaps related to something else. And that you can kind of have both you can have the EU, but you can also maybe take back some local control this vote for a lot of people was not about economics. It was not about regulation. It was not about you know, is my business going to be better off. It was about who's coming. To the UK talk to me about that a little bit. Well, you know, we're sitting in bath. And this is a perfect example of all the different kinds of people who come you get academics and business people from the EU and all over the world, but you'll get a lot of working class. People come here to do the jobs that people here don't wanna do work in care homes and do overnight shifts at hotels now, this place voted remain doesn't seem to have a problem, but by fifty percents. I mean, this is a drop of remain in a sea of leave. But a lot of communities even in London. I kinda hear this there. Lots of parents and kids who don't speak English that when they go to their free healthcare. You know, the doctor's office. There's a lot more people. And I think it is natural for people anywhere in the world to equate more competition with somehow I have less opportunity, even if that isn't necessarily the two aren't directly correlated it hasn't just been about. Oh, people are taking our jobs where there's lots of people to like, you know, I don't recognize my hometown anymore. Just feels different. On in bath on Sunday. I think was she is back tomorrow. We have been Instagram like crazy over here. Some from me some from the people we have talked to check us out for marketplace. APM on Instagram. Also, your Brexit questions whose answers are on our website. Marketplace dot. This final note on the way out today in which we fall back on an old journalistic cliche in service of our Brexit coverage cab drivers as every man are often the easy way out. But sometimes you get a really good one. Like we did Tuesday back here in London. Michael Papa Michael is his name. We got to talk and first of all about his cab. It's really nice one. And then as you'll hear about the topic is your. So the question is do. So what do you do do you all this or do you rent? It doesn't matter. Does it? Regardless. Can I ask you an unrelated question? Site. You get. I expect the answers you're gonna give I'm gonna try this. When you're eighty five words or less. How do you feel about Brexit? That's four words. No, you gotta same out loud, man radio. Yeah. Five words or less. It's a pain in the us. We'll give you six I asked CEO's of big companies that question, and they take forever. So don't feel about six. Just come to the point. Speaking of forex by parents been pretty steady. Lately case anybody noticed Dow off a ten percent today. Thirty two points to the downside. The NASDAQ off six tenths percent. Forty eight points S and P five hundred slipped four tenths thirteen points. Are media production. Team includes cerebral gear, Jake Gorski, drew justed, Jeff Peters, Dan Powell, Daniel Ramirez, Charlton Thorpe, and Ben tolliday. I'm result in London. We are back here. Marl everybody will see it. This is APN.

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 Heroin and me: our political sketch writer on giving up drugs

Today in Focus

32:00 min | 1 year ago

Heroin and me: our political sketch writer on giving up drugs

"Today, we have from the guardians parliamentary sketch writer, John Chris about becoming addicted to and then giving up heroin, and why is Facebook CEO. Mark Zuckerberg calling for more regulation of the internet. John. What's the best decision? You've ever made. It's it's no brainer. Though. It's also a decision I made dozens possibly hundreds of times in my life as the guardians parliamentary sketch writer, John Cray, spends hours every day scrutinizing politicians from his perch directly above them in the house of Commons chamber from there. He was the journalist who coined the phrases failing grading and the may bought I began working with John in early two thousand and sixteen and we quickly struck up a friendship one day. I asked him why he was teetotal and John began to tell me about his past. It wasn't so much the making of the decision which was to give our power win. It was the decision to keep to it. I don't think there's any heroin days who doesn't almost on a daily basis thing. I've got to come office. This is ruining my life and all junkie conversations that I ever had sure in the nine years that I was an addict didn't variably be something about. Yeah. I'm ready to cut down for a couple of days, though, is the denial of the reality of diction. The was the belief that you could come down to a sort of maintenance. Case it's a peculiar form of self destruction. From the guardian I'm Chris Donna today in focus giving up heroin, a lifetime's work. I want to start by warning. That this episode contains strong language as well as explicit descriptions of drug-taking and self harm. See group in Wiltshire. The son of a vicar. What was that like I felt trapped? I had very few if no friends because no one really wanted to be friends with Vickers. So I was quite solitary. I mean, I have long memories of just sort of getting up in the morning, not knowing quite what to do and going is into the back garden and kicking football against the wall in my jenning was a Spurs Plath. And you didn't make it as a Spurs play house. You know, 'cause I watch football. I've never seen you on the pitch. And we noti I mean, yes. And no, I think my acting. I took a very different form foot rather than being kind of destructive in the sense of going around causing kale's. It was all turned inward into sort of self destruction. You know, it was about learning to hate myself. And to think that I was never good enough. And I would occasionally self harm the you just really lack self confidence as a teenager. Yeah. I just never felt good enough. I mean, my parents said I love you. But part of me was unable to process that I didn't kind of really believe it. I never felt loved. I always sort of felt separates alone and author and also a bit lost all through my life. I felt lost. I mean, one of my refuges apart from football, which absorber came obsessive about it was music are used to lis- I had records. I mean, let's set plan pink Floyd's that. I mean, my big favorite. I mean, which is really weird for someone. Who's then probably about fifty was Lou Reed. The song was got me was heroin. He wrote a song heroin. And I always somehow knew that it was going to be. You know is gonna be possibly. It was it was if I have a sort of sense that it was going to provide me with a shell a protective cocoon from the world. Life is my life. So it's sort of Ramon decides to heroin. Oh, yeah. But it was also brutally factual. I took care of it. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I was nineteen and I was at a flat in London. I was by that stage regularly smoking dope taking asset. And we also did a lot of speed at the time. I always used to say to the dealer this if you ever come across a para, please, please get me some please of gotta have some and the day is. Payments had I've got you small by it. And I look to the is if just being given some treasure, and I remember taking it. Did you take a snifter snorted it immediately felt this huge Russia warmth? Do you? Remember, those old adverts the ready, Brad? Brek with lashings of hawk milk to soak up those natural. Mas would be feeding her school kids ready break, and they would be sort of bathed in this of little red glow. School sort of ready breakfast, keeping them safe and warm for the day. And that's exactly how I felt. Most immediately. It was like a homecoming. It was like a part of me had been such at been missing had been found the all feelings of source of inadequacy low self worth self hatred suit of instantly, dissolved I was also sick as a dog. But I didn't give a shit. How long did it does all full until it wore off which first time round was about eight hours? So you suffered from quite serious sounding mental health problems and yourself Medicated with heroin. Yeah. I think all addiction is a form of sort of self medication say after you had that I hit we'll happen next. Well, I mean, you know, I carried on sort of smoking loads at doing assets take his speed and stuff like that. I can't remember when the next time I took heroin walls bars, it's of reappears, but you mentioning you were going to lectures, you're submitting your work. Yeah. Came out with a degree. Yeah. Well, I mean. Degree and Marjorie was that she politics so funny that he took took it once it was they ready. Bright glow. Was as good the second time. Yeah. Every time you take it. It's the the kind of thrill in the sense of danger diminishes again it after while I enjoyed the hitter smoking it rose and snorting it. It was a more intense high and began to take it more and more the words sort of various justifications. I can remember what's when out being dumped by girlfriend. I thought right. I know what I'm going to do. Now. I'm just gonna go you. I'm going to go from tastes Mike non stop for a week. You just kill the pain completely. I mean, but once you are an addict, it's it's it's both a state of mind and physical dependency in the needs the sort of comfort of blocking outs the tragedy of your own life. But when you say the tragedy of your life, what was going on in your life. I was sort of bumping along the bossom. Basically, I was sort of living hand to mouth. I mean back in those days you could rent a room in London over five for a week. I'll John seriously. I am. Right. So you're any flat fiber week. If you got girlfriends have you got friends are I mean, the thing about being a junkie is that sort of over the nine years, most of my friends sort of peel away job I had several small jobs, but I would get psyched from. I mean, I kind of just sort of lost everything in. I do remember injecting for the first time. Yeah. It was extrordinary. I can remember I was sort of standing up by kitchen by the kitchen sink, while this bloke was injecting me and the minute. It went in. He pushed the plunger on the I felt this warmth, go straight up through my arms and my legs crumpled. I I literally fell on the floor and if Elz unbelievable. But it presumably stop failing unbelievable at some point. And was what you needed just to feel normal. Yeah. I mean, I mean most of the time as junky, you know, you're not really getting high anymore. Just take him maintenance of dice just to get through the day with a semblance of normality. Can you describe the moment you realize you had an addiction to heroin? Yeah. Very very vividly. I'd been taking it off and on for about a year and a half and literally one morning I woke up, and I realized I felt absolutely wretched. I had cramps. I was sweating. And I've I kind of thought I was going to be sick. And in fact, I was sick. And I couldn't put two together to start with I thought of flu or something. And then it hit me. You've actually got a habit. It was a smacking moment because auto is that I mean, every junkie thinks this they're going to be the one that beats the system they are going to be the one that learns to take heroin without becoming an attics. And that it always been my Mansur for the previous eighteen months. Did you family now what was going on? Yes. Or no, I because I did try in one thousand nine hundred eighty two I went down to visit my mom and dad, and I said, look, I'm a complete mess on the heroin addicts. I need to do something. They took me to the doctor the doctor did what to do with me. So basically, we decided that I was going to live Dan with them for about three months which date, but at the same time in I was getting ready pissed every night and sort of smoking loads of dope, which somehow everybody thought. Oh well. Let's Jones doing really well because he's not on harrowing. I mean, John was out of his head. Yeah. I can remember the big first day when they said, I think I'm ready to go back to London. And I started driving somewhere only m four I guess fuck it and just headed north to north London to crouch end to my data go to lettuce back instead and had. Within days. I had a happy again. That you'll live completely spiraled out of control. I mean, do you remember when did you meet your wife? I've fact I met my wife jury that three months when I was supposedly coming off drugs. And I mean, we kinda stay together. But I I mean, I managed to conceal from her. The fat. I was a junkie again. I mean, my life was a series of sort of compartmentalize what do you most regret about this period? I mean, I've always had this fading of us regrets thirds the most people's twenties or a time of excitement when they're exploring the world where they're finding themselves that making something selves, and I was sort of on a suicide mission. When did you hit rock bottom? That was my thirtieth birthday. That was definitely the moments my wife, and I when they've ING in this really, I mean, it was a horrible flat ready to painted the whole place gray if we had almost no furniture. We won't share black from white tally. I had about four proper friends left and the four of us sitting round this room and back in my bedroom. I had this sort of large quantity of heroin for my birthday. This is going to be my big treat enough to last me for two or three days, and I can just remember the feeding of abject Fadia where where have my twenties gone what if I done I and I literally thought I don't know away. I of this and in the next six months. I would overdose. Once or twice a week. It was almost like I was sort of trying to die. I pushed at the same time trying to kinda crap attention. In the end, I got lucky because my wife and one of the few friends who'd stuck by me staged. What would I recall the kind of massive intervention? The bit of me thought huge sense of relief that I was I'd been seen in a way. And we've talked about this before this idea that you will miss need to hit rock bottom to recover, but lots of people don't survive bottom. No, no. They don't. I was very lucky my wife. She was working and she paid for me to go into a rehab center about was what on March the ninth nineteen eighty-seven. Yeah. And it was the best decision you ever made. Yeah. Tell us what happened in rehab well through for the first sort of two and a half weeks. I was in bits. You know, they they don't want to. They don't wanna make it easy few come off drugs. They want us to be aware of what you've done to yourself. So I was given nothing to sort of lessen the pain of cold Turkey. So I was sick as a dog. I didn't sleep through about ten days occasionally shitting myself. It was totally degrading. But then they introduced each is sort of narcotics. Anonymous, and I was sort of amazed really did you cry? No. I mean addicts so Naito, I mean, find really hard to sort of process their feelings are whole lot about it's about a burying emotions burying anger. Very shame. You know? I was I was almost sort of reduced to basic DNA. I had no framework to understand myself. And that's where sort of NA was so wonderful because you'd get to hear stories of people who was sort of living with the same experiences. Did it save your life? I'm here. So yes, I have no dive I would have died long long time ago. I mean out of been dead within six months if art. Carried on using heroin. And did you have a slip? The it's thirty two years and counting. When did you start writing? So both she full. So a few years clean. I was a few years cleaned those one bloop in who I really looked up to who was a writer come name because he's a famous moderately. Worldly are just to see that one day. He he had a piece written in the times. Wow. I was basically really impressed. An also I thought. Maybe I could do. I remember I kind of rang up my wife, and I said I'm going to become a writer. She literally went preserves. Why does she saw this is just gonna be yet another of his idiot days? He's fucking madman. And but I write a piece, and it was sort of the first piece I public, right? So I think published in nineteen ninety the independent on Sunday in those days. You could actually if you're lucky get through to an editor and speak to them on the phone, and I rang up this that features that it's a idea that I wanna right by it. And she said. She she said, I don't know you but said right on spec in three days later this phone call saying we won't to run this piece. What was it about? It was about a self help group for families of mergers and violent criminals, which I was fascinated by 'cause I interviewed the mother of a son who was in for murder, and what that meant to her. How you learnt e-e-e-e-no carry on loving someone who's done something so terrible. And then I rang up with another idea. And she said, right. I paid you four hundred quid for that piece. The a lot John. Yeah. But the reason it was was she thought that I was Jim Chris is an awfully st-. I'm not the only reason she had commissioned it and said, yes. But once she had she'd published it and seeing that I could right. She sort of felt duty bound to carry on. And the thing is that my myself wealth worth was so low that if I've written that first piece, and it hadn't been published on the thought this is just yet another career or job that I failed that never have done it again buzz. I felt okay. I'll do it. And I started sort of writing for. All sorts everyone. Really? But one of the things you were quite clear about was that when you were narcotics anonymous. He realized you still the same person you've been as a child before you take drugs, and you were telling us earlier that that was somebody who suffered from depression and anxiety. Yeah. And you know, ten years into recovery, I had a major break done. I was put in a mental hospital for acute, depression and anxiety. I literally was completely dissociated. I couldn't I couldn't leave the house. So I could barely get to bed. I would just be sort of shivering an anxious and unable to cope. I literally thought that I was dying. So since then I have been under therapists under sir psychiatrists as well. I take Prozac it. I can just to sort of. Manage, but I still have seen deeply anxious moments where I can barely get is of bad. I recently read a piece for the guardian Abayateye, anxiety, the one thing that didn't write it was the time. I was feeding so anxious that I she rated on my laptop in bed because I couldn't get is of beds. Why do you lay self-worth you've got a wife? You've got two wonderful children. You are an extremely successful journalist. Everyone knows that you're John craze. Now, you're probably as famous Jim craze, if not more just don't feel it. I still have a very. Limited saw sense of self. I expect things to go wrong. I have no real sense of permanence. I mean, most days are still feel lost to be honest. I wake up most days and feel like I failed in some way. He didn't fail. Not yet. And you've never slept. No, you've never been tempted often. I mean in my documents, I have sometimes thought what you know what? When when or if I do get a terminal cancer diagnosis at the one, the one pulse. Ivanka that is might gets prescribed morphine and went after feel too guilty about taking your type Razak therapy. Have psychiatry is anything that helps. We'll all of them. I will say exercise it a manically. Now, I go to the cross trainer in the gym on our literally pound it sort of Fran our level twenty just so that I can feel nothing just is the one time the way I can just feel feel nothing. When did you decide to write about heroin addiction? It was so last year. Basically, it always being something that I'd never made a secret of I mean, you you about it. We worked together in Westminster. But the two reasons why I wanted to sort of hold off one was for the sake of my children, my children, I twenty six and twenty three and the other reason I didn't wanna writer bias it before is because I never wanted to be a writer who was largely defined by having been a junkie, and I kind of felt that having sort of. Reached a position the guardian where you know, kind of I was cleaned maple. Yeah. So I've made it so I felt okay because I really wants to kind of three some of the bullshit of addiction so much the sort of literature has be tries to gloss over that seabeds of addiction or trying to sort of pass it off as some kind of form of creativity. If you like they made the best music when they would say, you know, X funds. I mean, that's shit. Really? Isn't it also wanted it to be known that I was still one of the lucky ones in rehab, the counselor sort of trying to about ten of us in the room. And he said statistically six if you will be dead in ten years time, and I just do bullshit. That's just you just trying to scare us. But I in fact that was about absolutely buying on. How how many six out of ten dead need them. Yeah. You become friends with them. Yeah. Do you think that your own heroin addiction and your own depression, anxiety has affected the top journalism? You want to do? I mean, some sketch writers sort of concentrate on kind of people's sort of physical appearances and stuff like that. And I've never I've never really been interested in the I'm ready interested in politicians, basically as sort of patience on the couch. I kind of try and understand their psyches ready, which is sort of in a way whether Mabel came from because it was so someone who had sort of no social skills, and in a way, I could understand and feel for his kind of struggles ready to find a humanity because I tend to fight with them. Well, just couldn't forgive for was the fact that she thought that that made her good enough to be prime minister. She was biggest Oester as well. She was. Do you actually think you see? Connection with reason? I. Well, she certainly being very good to me. I'm not sure if he gets her now, I don't think she'd be thanking you for your work on this particular matter, John, thank you very much. Thank you. You can get free confidential advice on overcoming addiction from narcotics anonymous online or seven days a week on oath three hundred nine nine nine one t one t. Janis continuing to churn out brilliant, parliamentary sketches for the guardian. Do read them on the website, his pieces that best tell the story of the prime minister's political journey not over quite yet. Can also be found in John's book, I may but the rise and fall. Coming up Facebook, boss. Mark Zuckerberg has argued that the internet needs new rules say why him and why now? Welcome back. Now, the guardians UK technology editor Alex Hearn on the Facebook boss and his unexpected cool for regulators and government to play a bigger role in controlling the internet. Mocks Coburg wants governments around the world to get together and propose new rules on harmful content online on electoral advertising and regulation on the internet on privacy and data protection and on data portability, the right transfer data from one online service to another. One of the big problems with the proposal in general is that it comes from a feeling inside Facebook. The the company is being asked to make decisions that democratic governments should be making state, which is a reasonable concern. For instance, Facebook doesn't want to be in the business of deciding whether or not a given organization is a hate group or terrorist group, but at the same time Facebook's complaints that it would be a better more reasonable company. If governments made rules in Milia, plight them is a bit rich when you have Facebook being for instance, charged by the US government for allowing housing discrimination. Or when you have Facebook's own rules on harmful content being sort of weirdly, misapplied, even amongst its own to social networks, Facebook and Instagram. So you have American shock jock Alex Jones being banned from Facebook but allowed on Instagram even though the sites have the same rules. Governments have problems when it comes to reconnecting the net. The biggest one is that the net moves false legislatures move, slowly and not as a problem. That's a problem for both sides of the equation. It seems likely looking back over the last twenty years of evolution of the internet that governments around the world could probably have moved a bit faster than they did in practice. But at the same time Facebook in particular is a very good example of the ways in which internet companies can perhaps move faster than is useful necessary. Kind of justifiable. Facebook really does want some regulation wants regulation for for different reasons than most companies and area will struggle most agreement on is electoral votes because countries have radically different electoral. They all of for obvious reasons. Very very conservative about changing that and everyone has a slightly different conception of what political campaigning is what it can be what it should be. I can't see a way that Facebook could end up with one vaguely unified global agreement on that. But the company doesn't really want one unified global agreement for that the company just wants to be told by governments what it can. And can't do. Typically, you know, in in the history of big business lobbying government, you get companies calling on regulation when their competitors are being bad. They are being good, and they won't governments to rein in regulation. Facebook doesn't really have competitors that it scheduled. It's really this attempt to deflect concerns about the amount of power that Facebook because it's not saying bind my competitors hands. So that they do worse than I do better. It saying bind my own hands. So people are less afraid of what I could do if my hands were unbound. That was all IX heard my thanks to him. And to John Christ for a really Frank. I'm moving into view today's episode was produced by India Rakkason, Rosedale, our Beatty, Elizabeth Kassian Daime Walker sound design was by axel Cutie. The executive producers on the coal Jackson, and Phil may not we'll be back tomorrow.

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Hour 1: 6/28/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 1: 6/28/19

"The Paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the Capital, One sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment, two percent of grocery stores, and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply. Cried passion, and patterns re of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast with a of you on a Friday afternoon and what a week it has been what a day this is going to be just two days ago. At this moment, the Vanderbilt Commodores getting ready for a winner. Take all game against Michigan. Winner gets the college World Series championship and national championship and yesterday afternoon coach Tim Corbin and his team arrive back in Nashville with the trophy, the second championship since two thousand and fourteen and what a wonderful greeting. It was for the coach in his family. And that is a way we begin our program by welcoming in the coach coach Corbin. Thank you very much. Congratulations. I can only imagine what the last couple of days have been like it after him. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Let's start with some of the most emotional parts of this. For four years. Your team has been playing for a fallen teammate. And now on top of all that. One of the great mentors of Vanderbilt athletics. David Williams passes away a couple of months ago, I know I know that you have to do the job, but also know that you think about your friends and former teammates, as well at a time like this. You do. I think your emotions tend to go in those directions at certain times, because you realize, yes, celebrate Tori. But also the people that aren't around that put you in positions to be successful. And you mentioned David Williams. He certainly was one of those people, and we became very attached to them, and our programs, growth was certainly enhanced by his interest level, and what, what he did to allow us to grow as a as a program, and then you mentioned Donnie Everett, right? Out of the gates and Donny was someone who is a freshman back in two thousand sixteen with seven vs other seniors. He was special kid. The SEC has always kept him in their memory to by honoring the last pitchy ever through and Hoover one hundred one miles an hour, they put that underneath the video board. But I you know, I think along the way our players have played with him and certainly would been the recipients of a great relief. Ship with his parents, teddy, and Susan, and they were with us the entire time the full fifteen days in Omaha, and we put on on stage with us when we celebrated, so I know there was tremendous gratification, in that moment. Coach. I remember having spoken to you about the first championship, and how important it was to you, and especially your family, you, you talked about that a great deal. And then, of course, the next year you tried to repeat and fell just short. And then you do it again championships championships. There were there rare and their special. But, how would you compare this one to the previous when they're all different? This particular chapter is different because of the consistency of the kids, not to say that fourteen fifteen or any other team really. When you win a national championship, it's. I know every team in their mind. They think that this is something that's Chievo, but it's so difficult to come by, but I think this team from start to finish just the exhibited consistent behaviors throughout their very mature group. And you know to come into the season as a preseason number one and to go out that way that that says quite a bit, but to win a regular season to win an SEC tournament our regional super-regional college World Series when fifty nine games, I think it's the first time a team has beaten every SCC opponent. You typically don't play every SCC team. We were able to do that. But I think at the end of it, we never talked about that. The beginning of the year we just talked about doing some small things right. And the outcomes would take care of themselves and they did. I'm interested you come to an end in so many different times season, especially in the super and then again choose. Tuesday night, your your back's against the wall when it's finally over. I know you still have obligations like this. But what do you think about as you as you, you wake up today, knowing the season's over? It's never really over. But you take a deep breath and reflect back or you're already moving onto whatever is next. Now not there yet. I think the finalisation of a season is very difficult for me, personally and going to meet the kids here, and in just about thirty minutes after I get done with you. And I think the biggest at least issue for me personally, is putting a program to bed, and that becomes very difficult to process, and then it becomes very difficult to convey, because there's a lot of people in that room that you'll never see again and the only time he ever see him again is, is weddings or. Other times, but you're never gonna get everyone. So to try to explain the dash when you start to when you finish. And what, what you've gone through during that time in finish up with those kids, I'm not a good goodbye person. So we're doing that here in a little bit. And that, that to me is always the toughest day in a program. It's great to start it, and it's great to go through the process of building the team, but I'm not a good one to finish it. And this is this is always a tough day when this day is over. How, how do you finally deal with it because you are the one who will be doing all the hugging today, along with your friends and coaches and team. But at some point, you do have to move on. What your? Yeah. Well, we'll move on as quickly as we can. I mean, recruiting takes care of that, and it takes your mind somewhere else, and it also gives my wife and I to, to go up to New England and see these kids. Play. We, we've done that ever since I've coached. Here's go up in the Cape Cod league and these other leagues around the Cape to see our kids play during the course of the summer, but you know what Paul was really the impetus of the player locker room. And I'm talking about the alumni locker room because when they laughed, I always felt like we gotta get him back and in doing so just wanted to create a another home for them because even even though their time is finished. They'll always be Vanderbilt baseball players, and I always want them around. So we, we built out locker room so we can bring him back and continue to enjoy them. Coach one hundred more. The highest seed to win a believe in nearly twenty years in on surface that seems bizarre. But you understand the pressures why do you think it's so difficult for the teams at the top of the college World Series to get through it? I think you feel it. I just think you feel it. I think there's a lot of notoriety that goes with being a topsy team. And I think the expectation level of what you're supposed to do can sometimes defeat the moment. And I think that's the that's the challenge of a coach is just to, to not let that moment exist inside your team and just to keep them centered on, what is most important in, what's most important is what they're doing on the field and inside inside the plane areas. So I think that's always the challenge. But our kids did that we had some help, though, that maturity really kicks in and a lot of different ways when you face those challenges. Listen, I know you got a lot to do, but wanted we wanted to grab you. And we're we're so happy that you could make time and congratulations against this is important for us to, and I appreciate you taking time, Paul, you bet coach. Thank you very, very much. Yes, sir. You great to have you on Tim Corbin and heading here to conversation with his team. And you would think listening in watching that should be one of the great days of his career, but you could see there was a little bit of pain etched on his brow. They're getting ready to say goodbye. Anyway, we're this is just the beginning. I don't know if there's ever been a more diverse guest list than this Nick Sabin later on. We're going to revisit a conversation. We had with him earlier. But the, the middle guest between coach Corbett and coach save into icons, and I kind of his own. Yeah. If you're watching on TV, that is not a misprint, if you're listening on the radio in about an hour, we will talk to ice cube. Yeah. You know, the artist rapper the movie star. Entrepreneur. Yes. Ice cube. We'll be right here. I hope you will as well. That is not a joke. I promise you. We will get to your calls all over the map. Today's we reflect back on the first half of the year we're going to share some of that information with you, as well coming right back, listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. Glad you are with us. Good to have you on reese's first up today. Hey race. Good afternoon. It's my first time on year. And I just wanted to say that Auburn had a great baseball season. How old are you reach? I'm eleven years old Lebanon years old like to hear the. Yeah. We had a great baseball season. And I mean, the Auburn fans they were like kinda criticizing Julian, but I mean it's not really his fault like he just accidentally didn't see the runner coming toward. Considering how long it's been twenty years or more. I think it was a great year for Auburn. I totally agree with you on that. Yeah. Like we really had an accomplishment, and we achieved it and we can get back there. Next year hopes will be hope so. Thank you very, very much. Nicer to your call. Kenny in West Virginia. You're on the air. Hello, kenny. Hey, paul. How are you doing? Hey there. You know, just one thing will side one good thing, actually a great thing about your show. He see in general was that last caller, the SEC starts early and it goes your whole life. You know, the passion starts when you're a kid, and it ends when you die think it's a great thing. Get these kids watching the interested, and he's not the first one I've heard, you know, that's ten eleven years old actually knows what he's talking about. So I think that's a great thing. Glad you said that because one thing that I am really proud of in relation to this show is young people calling in, because a lot of young people don't participate in forums like this. And we have a number of young people that are calling in, and they're always, welcome. And I'll tell you, he sounded a lot more intelligent than some of the collars I've heard this week and without naming names, of course, but I did want to ask you something about the Gators, of course, I'm like the West Virginia, Matt from San Antonio. Kind of that. I've heard this term thought about this week, rednecks, and I wanted to kind of talk about that a little bit because I've heard it kind of acquaints, anybody flouting dumb, and the one day from Bangladesh got caught a redneck and being the you know up here in the capital of the universe in West Virginia. I wanted to straighten that out let people know what a redneck is I think there is a misconception about what a redneck has go right ahead. Give it a shot. Okay. Nineteen twenty one up here, battled Blair mountain largest insurgents civil war. You got a bunch of coal miners that was being bullied by painting guard from the minds, you know. So they, they had a March from right here in this county. I'm from to the state capital, ten thousand dollars. And as a sign of solidarity. They wore red handkerchiefs local papers up here. Caught them rednecks. That's where. Originated? There was bloodshed up here and how it ended Wilson sent federal troops in here known the miners went and fire on them and they didn't. So they lay down your arms that was over. That's where the term redneck started. And that's what real redneck is well, that's a great. Yeah. Listen, having lived in Louisiana. Alabama. In tennessee. I have heard that phrase my entire life. They're, they're very Asians of what it is. And what it means. But I'm glad that you gave us one explanation. How about Greg in Athens? Alabama. That is close to the Tennessee line. Go right ahead. Greg apl. Thank you for taking my call her the jeans epoch off interview yesterday when I was on the road, and I thought an interesting point that, you know, people are consistent. And when they're not consistent, then there's usually in the various reason, and with respect to coach Dave. Oh, if you're not going to if you're going to be open for everything. And then you're suddenly closed lift about something that means only one thing, you're hiding something. You're hiding something and it's not going to be an embarrassment to you and or the school. So the best thing he could do would be just to have a press conference, lay it out, and roll with it, because this is going to fester all year, and it's going to have some kind of impact on him. And if it doesn't go away. Yeah, I agree. And, and I think I didn't really give it much thought until recently. But I'm beginning to think there is something to it and inspector Spakhov really was very. He wasn't trying to be unfair or or bias. He was simply trying to get an honest reaction, and he never got one. Greg. Yes. He, he mentioned that he has tried to remain neutral, this whole time and doesn't have it out for them. You know, just trying to seek the truth. And, you know, we talked about Bob Lee a couple of days ago and his efforts to seek the truth, always in a story, and here's an instance, where you have one press guy from the state of South Carolina, who's interested in finding the truth and not just slapping, the coach on the back wanting, you know, pablum answers to things. So I think there's more to the story than than the school is willing to share and hopefully someone will be forthcoming and we'll find out what it is. And thanks for taking my back. You Greg good to hear you. Nice of your call. Tracy is in North Carolina. Go right ahead. Paul. Thanks. I put it in a vote for the best call this year so far. In the worst, you got I got Jerome. Hi mad because even though she doesn't call it as much when football's going on. Let's say Selena for the best call, what wasn't well let me make it very clear. What's going on? This is this is not a lifetime achievement award. We're giving out here, we're giving the best and worst caller award for this year. So if you haven't called or if you've called once or twice you're probably not under serious consideration. Okay. Hot to take selene off and just stay in Rome. And I man, that's fair is how about the worst yet type of that for the worst. We got all the time in the world that list is really long Paul as you. Well know keep it to just three obviously Jim for Tuscaloosa and had a close second, and maybe even one eight and a one b would be met of San Antonio. And three is all Florida gator football fans. Good one. So Matt would be your number two choice as the worst caller. What do you say about that? Matt. And you can't go to Paul and stuff. I'm on the worst caller on his show. How am I the worst comedy show? Did I talked about Ainun football this time? I don't care what they think about me, Paul. Look, I can be the worst caller to them. All they want. I don't care what they think, Paul. I'm looking senior talk about that too saying football. All that want fall. And I wanna talk to you about a hurts them recruiting news about that thing in football. What, what was that, Matt? Well, I heard that we might be in a big time recruit for taxation football in. He's quarterback. He's gonna say this Texas, and he's a four or five star recruit. He's gonna make a decision today or tomorrow. In her. It's gonna put in the big time rakings recruiting and I wanted you opinion that do you think recruiting rankings, matter or decided on the field? They do matter. They matter because they helped to set a tone mad and in a perception. So the good schools, always have your rankings. I mean, there are there occasionally would be an outlier. But for the most part, the cream is on the top. Thank you for the call AC who also got mentioned here. Minute goes, one of the worst caller, go right ahead. Oh, sure. Make things up. Okay. Good afternoon, sir. How're you doing? Good afternoon. Right. Well, she'll be honest. We have some nice colors would just slept with through this gentleman. Just mentioned voice co honest in Mets defense is he's a nice guy. I mean leave the guy alone he wants to talk about sex and go straight ahead. But Mr. Charleston is we are tech team of the Terminator's. That's right. We are the best texting. Why did he call? Yeah. I'm still here. I say it's your call. Yes, I know. But Charles from real Tom, Mr Charles, but he called him by insurance. No, that's sad. I love the guy. I want this colon every frigging day. Now, let me make my case. Why I should be the best caller? I'll give you two reasons. I we is, I'm the first Bangladeshi, call her and I haven't named in Joe. Don't just call me Bangladesh. My name is AC the prediction men and the second, I was the only guy who predicted times is gonna blow while Alabama thirty four sixteen and Georgia. Hey, hey, let's let's stop right there. First of all your crap. Okay. You know what you didn't predict the forty four to sixteen and you're not the only person that predicted Clemson would win the game. And number of people predicted predicted Clemson would win the game. Okay. So if you're gonna come on here and center, things don't blatantly lie to us. Okay, sir, sir, sir. I mean I don't I don't know. I don't know the way they do it in Bangladesh. But what you just got three saying as a. A total falsehood. Well, hold on. Can you give me some time? If you can fill the air, go right ahead. All right. Well, sure, I did not say they're gonna win by forty four sixty five said, well, why you come? At why did you come on here and say you did? Okay. I said, blowout, I'm sorry. Okay. I said, well, I sat I'm just. Do you, you said what you said? Now you're backing away from me. You should be in some presidential debate with that type of attitude. Probably I, I should become a lawyer write about Mr Charles. So what's it gonna say about that? By the way, I'm burying the leader. Why would you consider yourself the best caller? Well, how about you haven't either bet you haven't even been the best caller on the show today. I'm not all perfect, so, I guess, on the worst caller, which is good at least I'm getting some love. Now you're not you're not the worst car. Oh, thank you. Thank you. You're just you're just a AC. You're just a caller. That's all. Thank you. But still pushy that. Thank you. How's your day, sir? A lot better now. We're taking a break. More of your phone calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five we're reflecting back on the best and worst of the year. It is a halfway point. We've already had Tim Corbin on ice cube. Still to come. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Darrelle is up next. Oh, L ill. Hillary collars, fall any. They're just callers. You know what I mean? You there air, you're a, you're a famous caller, tell us what would make a great call. Something that's somewhat entertaining would matter. I mean you know, not go. I mean, you know, just enter Larry from showy inter inter thanking me from time to time. He's not only okay I'm gonna I'm gonna throw some names that you, you, you mentioned Larry Nick from Georgia, don't know. Okay. Smart answer. Joe from red bay. Joe can but you're to get time. He can he absolutely can. Yeah. Mark, you got any callers. You wanna throw it to Darrell Darrell the former Jim Rome caller. Really? Weren't you on this MAC off one zero on that on the back on? I was on the thirty for thirty thirties. Okay. Then he was is that was having a horror on Tommy. Let's say he's the boxer. You know, nobody I don't how ended up only idea. That's that was many years ago. I mean how many callers you have? Now. Do you have any live on? He got. Okay. Got you. I you gotta occasionally out man. Coca. Hey, hey, Daryl, you act like we we've lost? Okay. Who who we lost that you miss? Oh, it is a lot of them you love. But is smooth here. Who we with Jim, Chris that'd be one. Yeah. Go right. Jim from new note Jerrell Jim from class. I know it's gonna while. It's gonna while. No, he died. Oh, he'd be when I'm sorry, I didn't I didn't know sorry to hear that. So he's gone. He's dead. Alleged that too. Who Asian why didn't called the about a week ago Bilas Tillis called this week? But they don't call. They used to you know what I mean. I mean back when the show was, like, you know, like second the good old days like. Hey, Mark, I want you. I want to bring you in here, the good old days now it's been five years. Georgia winning championships in the eighties, like the good old days. Let's get over. It. Hi. He goes we play out here again. You know what I mean this sanfer stadium? No. That one would you gonna win that when easy? I say, I'll. I do I do twenty one seventeen Georgia. I tell you what I'm gonna do, Daryl. I'm gonna go. I'm going to dig up some. I'm going to work on this right now. I want to see who some of the great callers are in you mentioned. And by the way, Jeff. We go to Jim, you've given me to callers that has that have got has died that okay? Removed. Mookie list of famous callers. And. I mean you haven't given me a name of somebody that, that's called in six or seven years. That's alive ridge who rich from Ohana. Well, Mark what happened to route from Atlanta? Never heard of him. Richard. Whatever. Why are you going to answer them Yankee? Of course that, you know, he's not going to try. Joe's down call this week goes down is not really a good caller, but he can meet. So one entertaining. I mean, but I mean how many more? The better it was re of the better callers in this show's history you mentioned Jim from Crestwood Shane Tammy all all have passed away. I mean, we can't control that. Well I mean you know what just give GM with thirty minutes? At least he's entertaining. You know what I mean? There's going back and forth. I mean, it's is, it's worth listening to better to listen to that Bangladesh guy and then and didn't actually yellow submarine guy. Great to call, you know, grace talk before they are. But it's all that everyday those in the bag category, you guy who served this country for thirty years on. Got nothing to do with the show. Okay. So you also my country to the same country but then you got anything to do with it. I mean, that's I watch speaking a week, four minutes origin. And as I walk down the halls, it had all the right of pictures of army soldiers that were killed in, in Iraq and just reading the Senate, and you know what man, we really appreciate I military, I'll maybe really sure it's young kids lose that put their life on the line. And then they're all going now and it's just you don't you don't think about it. You know until you read it, and then he's just. Get home again, and they all went there, because the power dog down, you know, they are in our freedom, how I would say Trump's looking pretty good. I'm at all any democratic conventions winning landslide. He was your that. Jim credit competed horrible thing. I never tried to do is, is make prediction until I have all the information. And we really don't have all the information yet. Thank you for the call. Coach is up next coach go right ahead. Hey, paul. Thanks for taking my call. Thank you. You know, can you vote for the same person for both? Yes. Absolutely. Well, it's to be GM. I mean I if you're Jim just doesn't come with he's entertaining, but he never comes with a topic, Jim. Carey caller Jim is the kind of guy that. You know, he, he sitting in a bar and he hears something what he goes over and throws a throws a, a, a wine glass in somebody's face, without even knowing what they said. But, you know, he's he's he's like Lance from Jasper, which what is, is Lance just what into know. Jim's an intelligent guy, lances lances as well. He will last it bring in small aid, Bobby from Birmingham. Who's not called since James there's a reason why Bobby hasn't caught. He he's the only person in the history of this showed to get a lifetime ban. I'm not kidding. So now he has to talk through Charles. Well, no. And do you know why he got a lifetime ban? No, I don't because Shane who was mentioned a minute ago developed lung cancer. In Bobby called up one day and simulated that, that it was karma because he trashed Auburn so much. He ended up getting lung cancer. And it was in he, he, he flat out inferred that that's why he got it. And he wasn't really. So I just heard it on the spot that he was done. He we three people have have received lifetime. Bans, two of them have been overturned by a tribunal. Phyllis was overturned, and Tammy was overturned, Bobby there. There's no there's no, there's no hearing on that one. No. I agree with that. That's and he and he went from a very well known discussed collartoo. Someone who is, is relevant, only when he's brought up on this show. Well, I think you've even have you. I can't remember I think you've even taken him off the lead at all the intro. Yeah. No, he's not. He's not even close to that. 'cause hey looking forward to the show today. Thank you. It's been a rough beginning there. We're, we're we are not taking prisoners today ice cube. Coming up at the top of the hour. He will not give us his favorite collar. I don't think he's ever heard of the show until today. We're back with more stick around to listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. Glad you hear Casey is in New Jersey Casey gerrad Ed EPO. I haven't called in a while, but I wanted to just get a couple of two cents in on your poll here for the really good. Tweeter. By the way. Yeah. Yeah. It's I haven't had time much to do much of it, but I have to say within a show almost every day for five years, the best caller without question to turn the radio on is to Jerome from Birmingham. He's good. I mean he just brings brings it every time he calls and the worst caller, I have to kind of say, like everybody else does just because he brags about himself is, is the guy Jim from Tuscaloosa. I mean that guy I don't know. Wait takes his meds. You could kind of tell when he's on the meds. He's okay with the call. And then there are other days, he didn't take the meds and, you know, he can hate on any money money right about everything off his game. You do not like him. I mean, I would put him Bianchi. Probably in the same room as the worst callers. I mean, Bianchi with central Florida. I couldn't take you know, I can't take it. You know, they should be in the SEC. They weren't everything national champions, that, I mean, I was just so him in, Jim or the worst. And if I do the best guess you have they'll Paul every time is in my opinion is Danny Sheridan. The dan. I agree Danny Sheridan is that unique guests where he he never disappoints. And you also never know what he's going to say. Oh my God. He's, he's an and the information the way talks the genuine, you know, he has his point of view and pretty much on the Mark, you know, you know, you, you don't become the leading sports, handicapper in America by being wrong. And that's something and I'll give you a list of some one little thing for the open championship coming up in three weeks. Tommy Fleetwood Paul. Yeah. He's forty five to one on the odds board right now in New Jersey at the casino. He's my pick good deal with what second one is closer to the event. All right. Thanks a lot. Casey, we go from great caller to one that has received several votes already for the worst caller of the year. He said on the story. Ted stove, welcome back. You're done Cardi and said, I was a call for that for the year and I hate maybe two our, but then calls, great comb. They will great call that's up. And you can't say about many people away from you. Why value? Don't go about what I have to do. Why, why do you disappear for so long? It don't matter. I back I may I make it three great goals that all qualify me that pass. My pass laws should a main fountain chose. I just don't understand. Your team won a bowl game and you quit calling. So. Get about the with going. I'm calling now I know. But I'm just hung up on the fact that you quit. All they want. If I consider this, but a half year caller of the year and something bad wrong, and I won't investigation withdrawn Anka debt roll, didn't you? We all wanna wear skate. Didn't you win the caller of the year, many years ago? Yeah. I won back. I never heard of those. Y'all. I neither yeah. I'll give it to me 'cause I stole the show by storm and data that go, what did you get for winning caller, the year I get it. Thad blind thing. Not a bad thing thing, I won't pay. I was something I won't I won't be calling for happy I deserve their dusk loose. The he'll be he's said name, be considered. This is a sports show and he never talks about sports back this qualifies him. I will have a specimen that why, why, why are you so jealous a Jim toast? The worst caller down this show eight. Now the top about sport. They don't not bass boat. Why don't they call this show while they call somebody else list? Limbaugh. Somebody chose why didn't why? Why didn't why why do why does anyone call this show? You know, you got a point there. I ain't got I'd say it, but. That is good. I, I know why. I got why do you call it? May have you know, I'm one of those, I know why you call it. It helps you get women. I don't know if you win. I get women. I want. But oh, gee, I Spade, I today, I'm going to get a special investigation going about if dip us at least went half years, call of the year. It ain't fair. He should be disqualified. You don't talk about sports, and when he does call in all he's doing is criticizing somebody, one of the callers one of the guests. That's all he knows how to do criticize criticize criticize any brands on this criticizing somebody you call that a car over half of a year. Yeah, give it go and get it to it. They will bid especial investigate. That's a problem with Charles. He has a good call. Then he takes himself too seriously. And then he goes off the cliff. Let's go to a little bit of a, let's get let's get a younger person on to react to that, because I think Charles a little bit a little bit long in the tooth millions up next. Well, you're talking about best callers and worse colors. I still say, fill this is just about the best one at ten if she were alive. Bless her heart. I see here is just about the best to don't you agree? Well, not totally. I mean, Tammi was the best caller Phyllis is no longer the best caller, because she's only called once this year. Well, I know I've call every so often, and, you know, the reason why call you to talk with you and the rest of them because you're kind and considerate. And, and it's it's someone I can talk and, and about anything and everything, and I can't symptoms of the people around that I'm with, you know, so I that's how come I call and talk to you guys. You know, we're Milly that's great. Because we, we want people to feel comfortable, calling in it doesn't matter to me, what people call in and talk about. And so the thing of it is, is it down here on this deal. It says James Brown says that I'm the best caller because they never say anything bad about anybody will, I never would. I mean if you can't see something. Nice about somebody don't say anything at all. Great. Right. My mom used to tell me that I think he wants were critical Jim or you're not. Well, yeah, it was because he seemed to try to get into everybody's business. You know, and, and I'm not one of those kind of people who would like to get into buddies. Do you mind your own? Yeah. That's what I do. Anyway. That's the reason why I called today. And plus I just wanted to say Hello to you. You're the sweetest guy going down the Feick. Anyway. We'll Milly thank you very much. And we're, we're certainly thinking of you. I know you've had some health issues in the way I found out yesterday that I don't have cancer. So that's another thing that I celebrate we are going to celebrate it a meal. Thank you. Billy really glad to hear that three hours ago.

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HR 1 : Lakers vs. Portland Game 1

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HR 1 : Lakers vs. Portland Game 1

"So. Tonight, the Lakers begin their march to an NBA championship first round matchup against the Portland. Trailblazers pre games at four right after our show tip off is at six pm John how you feeling. Excellent. Very excited back in the playoffs going the first upset is about to go down. Yeah. Landau is three minutes away from knocking off. Milwaukee how about that walkies. The number one seed in the east but I love the Lakers chances. I, love the way the Lakers are structured. And how soon my question is. How soon can I talk about the outrage that was clippers mavericks last night. Well. Let's first of all. Let me before we do that because it, it is an outrage and it to serve deserves a real discussion somebody texted me last night and said, hey, you guys giving away a car. Yeah. It's like you know what I I don't think we push this hard enough yesterday. So we gotta make it clear to everybody while they get into a groove. So we're giving away a brand new two, thousand, twenty, one monster see story from my friend John. Patterson. It tested Mazda Huntington Beach Mazda where it's all about you pay attention to everything we say everyday this week there will be one question from yesterday one from today all the way to. Friday. If you have all five answers Friday at three fifteen, you went one hundred dollar gas card and a key that may start that brand new twenty, twenty, one, Mazda, C, x thirty and John Yesterday. We did a very bad job of pointing this out so I'd like to give people a Gimme for yesterday. What do you think sure I? Mean I want somebody to win a car so I'm all for GIMMES. Okay. So let's just say the question from yesterday show is who won game of games and the answer is me. So you've already got one answer on your way to Friday at three fifteen when we do the quiz good luck pay attention to everything. All, right now, can I talk about the outrage? Yes. Let's do it. All right. So the offs have started the Lakers star tonight as we've been talking about Milwaukee is about to get upset. By Orlando in the bubble. So last night. Really. Good game actually between the Clippers and Dallas Mavericks the clippers jump out to an eighteen to to lead. and. Then the clippers fall apart and the mavs go on like a forty eight to ten run some obscene run they go up by fourteen at halftime. It's tight at halftime. The Mavericks are up I think by four six, whatever and we should point out in the first half. KRISTAPS PORZINGIS got a technical after a clean block at the rim. He was called for a foul. He showed some emotion he got beat up I thought that was a BS technical foul I've said it a million times. The Best Referees in any sport. Are. The ones who manage the game not the ones who call everything by the book not the ones who? Don't allow for any discussion or the good referees managed the game anybody will tell you that. But in that case, John Managed I mean it's not even so much that. The call was just wrong. It was flat out wrong correct. That's what I'm pointing and why is that not a reviewable play? Why can't you go back and look at that? Well, you could see the official that called the technical is not going to reverse himself. Could you're right? You're right. So but it was just a dumb call. So all of a sudden kristaps porzingis has a ticky technical. Now again, all he did was punched the air. Throughout a punch no, that's not a foul Yana. Gave a technical again, I'll say it again unless a player puts his hands on me or another player. Physically puts his hands on someone I'm not giving them a technical he can. He can tell me and my mother to F. off and I'm not giving them a technical nobody is there to see the referees. So third quarter rolls around. Luca Danni. WHO's killing the? He was unbelievable knack visual forty two points goes down the middle and Marcus Morris, we have his brother Markeith on our team does what Marcus Markeith Kief do he they? They're taught him how come up a little bit. Yeah. They're tough guy. So Luke comes down the middle and Marcus wraps him up Kinda Kinda, tackles them. And porzingas goes over and confronts Marcus and says Hey. Get your hands off my guy. Marcus does there was no punches? No no assault. In fact, I would argue by the way John that Marcus put his hands on Porzingas. Here's the point Mace it's a classic. No call. In a playoff game that's what Marcus Morris does. He's a tough guy kristaps porzingis oriented technical nobody in their right mind should give a second technical to porzingas. They're like Lebron tweeted right after it happened it was completely bogus gaffe like Jeff Van Gundy said there's no way in a playoff game you even consider giving technical. So now porzingis is out the mavericks by the way they had a lead at that point they were up five when that went down. So the Mavericks who are playing really well, and have a great chance to steal game. One are completely kneecapped by the referees. Yeah, and it just the NBA has done so many things, right The bubble has been an example of how you navigate Cova. In sports in the modern world the up in great for the officials to do this and I normally I know a lot of these guys. So I normally don't complain about officials. This was unconscionable. Complain about the officials stick it's all random in arbitrary but this was ridiculous. Yeah, and in it can't happen anymore I. Hope they grabbed Kane Fitzgerald and the other officials afterwards and they said guys look this is the play offs were not going to affect the play offs by given a guy to question technical John that could have been the game. That could have been the game you're right it could been the series. Yeah, yeah I don't know if the clippers were no one. Anyway the clippers are probably a better team and I in Lemme Lemme are better team. Let me comment the clippers about something after the game both doc rivers and Marcus Morris said porzingas shouldn't have been thrown out. They said look I wish they would left him in that would that didn't wasn't deserving of that and. And I, think we have a whore hey, I, think we have done. Who they could not check I think we have done shaft the game talking about the porzingas injection. Here's dancing on newly Gabi Him I beg. The did it for me? The funniest thing anything. Him Back. and. Not just me and him appreciate that I don't think it was very delete them out of the game specimen playoffs. But you know. Do the site of so we had to play with him stuff. Yeah and here is kristaps Porzingis on the technical fouls and the ejection. Honest. I understand we we got into a little bit and. I saw him getting into Lucas face and I didn't like that. That's why I reacted and and That's a that's a smart smart thing to do from their part and I just got to be smarter and control my emotions next time especially on the first one I understand the second one but the first one. Even though I felt like he was clean Glock. They're probably going to call that for throwing hand every time so. I've got to be smart and and and not the my emotions get the better of me. Get attack for throwing your hand. No. Again, if you don't make contact with somebody. Yeah. Forget it and here's Ricardo Carla one title as a player in the NBA. He's a title as coach with the Mavericks. Here's Rick Carlisle after the game. Actually, we don't have retarded how. Are we thought we did our sheet is not accurate. Yeah. No, we thought we'd rick. Carlisle but we didn't. We didn't get them but I think the bottom line here is that the last you want to settle a playoff game are officials and even for example John if you have that awareness as an official that kristaps Porzingis, who is the second most important player for the Dallas Mavericks has a technical that has to be in your head when you see that little baby scrum. In the second half for in the third quarter, you've got to recognize that if I t him up again, he's gone and I'm tilting the balance of this game and potentially the series. Yeah it's unconscionable and for people saying forcing should've known better Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, it's the playoffs I've been saying for two days. Emotions are going to run height when the Lakers and the blazers take the court tonight emotions are going to run high. You can't be slapping a technical foul on everybody that reacts and they did it twice to porzingas and took away a chance. The Mavericks had to win this. Game. I mean it just it was really really bad one more time. Now we do have Rick Carlisle the game last night the thing that happened with KP. Unfortunate. We've just learned from it and. We got understand this is. Part of the emotions of the play offs Protect teammate. on the on the second technical. The right thing to do in the playoffs. But you know the first one? Was a was an AIRP- lunch. That's that's automatic. They call one on. Am they call one on George so? You know. We'll avoid that in game two. and. We'll go from there. Boy when they go low go hi they're taking the high road and everything. Yeah. Because if they come out and said what you and I just said, the refs may may pick on him for the rest of the series. Yeah. Plus there'd be a fine evolved. You're not allowed to complain about the officiating so. Bad that happened was terrible. That's one of the things we will run by. Stephen a Smith. Yeah. Join US next and coming up. Oh, Stephen A. Next. Well sure is I'm here. Okay good sheet but defeat was wrong about riccar allow. So I'm just assuming that Stephen Is Okay Ladies and gentlemen coming up next for Steven A. we'll get a preview of tonight's game one Lakers versus blazers get his thoughts on what went down with Kristaps Porzingis last night and the Mavericks Clippers game in generally the way the bubble is working all of it with Steven A. Smith next Mason Ireland seventeen ESPN. Espn Mason Ireland what is going on? It is the day people day one of the playoffs for the Los. Angeles Lakers they take on the Portland Trailblazers Tonight pregame starts right after us at four o'clock six o'clock is the opening tip and we are expecting momentarily Stephen a Smith to join us. John Yeah and he is here. Oh. Sorry about that Stephen a man what Are you doing our great Stephen and we appreciate you coming on man let me start with what we were just talking about. That thing last night with the Mavericks and the Clippers really bugged me I mean the MBA student such a great job in the bubble of making this happen and putting it all together. I mean you can't. You can't knock him for anything and then last night they call to what I thought were very iffy technicals and throw porzingis out. What was your take on how that went down between Dallas and La last night while I was discussed, it the the second technical. You can somewhat understand because obviously, if they get into a little tussle, you're GONNA get teed up for that even though I thought that was to attack as well but that first technical they gave Porzingas I definitely thought was ticky tack and I think that you know what special circumstances require that special treatment takes place usually reserved for stars in this particular situation is significantly different. There's a pandemic going on and this tremendous sacrifices that the players putting forth. By being in the bubble to begin with to have them in the bubble to know what you're asking them to do to prioritizing the importance of finishing an NBA season and then turn around and a check the star in the league over something. So ticky tack is utterly ridiculous. I thought it was a disservice to everybody watching the game and it was a disservice to present himself into the Dallas Mavericks is well, I thought it was completely call for Stephen. I've heard you on. I saw you on I take talk about the Portland Trailblazers and the fact that the Lakers should not take them. How do you see this series plan out? Well I think there's going to Portland to lose the series but I think he could go seven games and the reason I could go seven games because they can score on anybody they can put up points and it's not just because a dame dollar and C. CJ we've seen mellow hit some big shots Nurkic back healthy and he's an offensive force. He can make some things happen offensively and then last but not least Gary Trent has been hitting a lot of shots. Well he really launches, and so the combination of them having a slew of perimeter shoot is that they have I don't like this shot selection I don't like the fact that Terry Stotts seem so limited in the adjustments that he's willing to make just the gravy train. That is Damian Lillard and CJ mccollum the way that he does but nevertheless, they do have a lot of offensive firepower in the Lakers. I haven't been hitting parameters shots that well and I think that you know four games I can't see this team that plays virtually no defense beating Lebron and Anthony Davis in a best of seven but cannot see them winning two three games. Yes. Stephen a Smith with US Steve I bet a man crush on Damian Lillard ever. Since I did a preseason game his rookie year I just think that guy gets it. As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that if there was a draft I would take him ahead of harden and I think I would take them ahead of Steph and my overrating Damian Lillard. overrating him if you think he would take him before Steph curry I think that's going too far. I'm not taking that I don't give a damn who could shoot the ball. I ain't taking anybody over Steph Curry. Handle the ball to to shoot the ball and more importantly to get off his shot from any angle on the floor off the dribble the way that he does, what about your ability of curry what about durability though that daime argument Jan have against them? Yeah. That's the only argument that you can have against them durability. But in terms of shooting the basketball from point guard slot or shooting a basketball from any slot I consider steph curry to be the greatest shooter in the history, a basketball I agree with you and I'm not I wouldn't put anybody out of him. Stephen Smith is with us. Mason in Ireland seven, ten ESPN. So Anthony Davis is playing high leverage games in the playoffs, and we'll be playing high leverage games as we get deeper into the playoffs How much of the Lakers success is on a d. and what kind of pressure do you think he's feeling right now? He's GonNa have to show up and I do think he's under some pressure because you're a former number one overall pick when you consider the top I play on the planet but you've never played in the conference finals let don't Nba finals then something at some point in time, it's going to be incumbent upon you step up and handle your business. The way people anticipate you can. So that's number one number, two and just as important if not about him scoring. Anthony Davidson average thirty, and fifteen in the sleep. The question is, how would you going to do it shooting fifteen and seventeen foot jump shots step beyond three point lots is not going to wear any any opponents down particularly some team is deep. The Los Angeles, Clippers with Hera Whitmore is one of the more twins and others you've got to be a man amongst boys in that low post area you've got to attack. This is me and you gotta get these guys. In some foul trouble, that is what you need to do. If you're Anthony Davis and you really want to help Lebron James not to mention the fact that you might want to contribute to slow in the pay get into the free throw line. You know stops play a little bit gives a guy a chance to take a deep breath get as rescued as we get as you know as wind under him, etc etc. That's important. Avery Bradley being gone with Rondo coming back. From a broken thumb with suspect Gar played from waiters from J off minutes from Alex Caruso contiguous Colwell Pope you notice better than me John and so the bottom line is is that if you're Anthony Davis and your that man amongst boys, you're not only buffering your offense but you're providing some relief conditioning wise to a guy like Lebron James Susan, the seventeenth season and on ultra physical specimen no doubt. But somebody who's desperately going to need your help in this series. Stephen a Smith with this steve if you're frank. Vogel HOW WOULD YOU GUARD? Lillard. Would you try and trap him and take the ball out of his hands? Do you do what? Denver did yesterday Donovan Mitchell you just let dame go off and try and lock up everybody else. What would your defensive strategy if you go? I will go one on one and let dame and let Dan eat me up. That's the case because if he doesn't get others involved particularly those first recorded, they'll be too cold to do anything come fourth quarter time because they were rhythm teen when everybody's getting involved and everybody's got the freedom to launch one shot after another. Then obviously, they're far more difficult to deal with. But if they're standing around and playing the role of spectator, we've seen Portland Fade particularly in fourth quarters under those conditions and that's what I think would enjoy. Steven this is sort of a classic rest versus Russ Situation We talked to Frank Vogel yesterday and he talked about how they were using those seeding games as just tune-ups and we should not read that much into it. But meanwhile, Portland has been basically in the playoffs. The entire time they've been in the bubble to get to this spot who's got the advantage, the team that got some rest. And or the team that played through the through the tape. I'd say the team that got some rest because we've watched Portland particularly against Memphis they looked exhausted and they looked exhausted against Brooklyn to and the fact that those games were so hard. It's one thinks to play those games. It's another thing for those games to come down to the wire with absolutely drains you and you're in desperate need to win Saturday. So you don't have a game Sunday and you only have two days rest instead of three days rest I think that's imperative and I think they know that so I would say the bandages to the Lakers stepped on in this particular. Stephen Smith with US Steve. Last thing for me if you're right and in Mason and I are both with you, we think the Lakers are going to take care of Portland who is their second round opponent Oklahoma City or Houston in remember no Westbrook for Houston I'm not sure that series. I think, Oklahoma, city wins the series against Houston eleven comes back. It without without Westbrook of they believe they'll beat Houston because they have Chris Paul who's incredibly familiar with what my Dantonio wants to do and what James Harden Do, and the effect that it can have on the rest of the cast around him data different team. Obviously, Russell Westbrook he's athletic is how he pushes the pace. He's good for twenty seven night albeit poorest from three. Point Range, but he gets opened he gets open shoot as all get shoot as open to launch those shots because of how aggressive he is an attacking the basket, there's different team will Russell Westbrook without that. They're basically the same team you've been looking at with James Harden but minus Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook, and that's not going to beat this Oklahoma City team is to make. All. Right. Hey, listen Stephen, we appreciate whenever you make time for us know your know your demands or are high but thank you very much for coming on and hopefully we can do this again soon. No problem guys anytime I? There's Stephen a Smith joining us So we talked a little bit about how the Lakers will handle or could handle. Damian Lillard Damian Lillard talked about how the blazers planned to handle. Lebron. I'M GONNA use air quotes on handle Lebron. We got that coming up next for you Mason Ireland seven, ten ESPN. It's right and giving away a brand new twenty twenty one mazdas story from John Patterson testimony one, Huntington Beach Mazda pay attention to everything. We say today there will be a question from yesterday one from today and all the way to Friday. If you've got five Friday at three fifteen you went. One hundred dollar gas card and a key that may start the brand new twenty twenty one Mazda C X thirty. By the way when it's all done, there will be only four keys. So if you win a key on Friday, you've got a twenty five percent chance of winning that brand new twenty twenty one Mazda C X thirty. So good luck pay attention to everything, right? So we talked a little bit about how by the way how do you think the Lakers should handle? Stephen as said. Just, just single them The question is do you trap them? What do you do with Damian Lillard tonight John I treat them like a football like a quarterback. I changed the defensive look every once in a while one time I would guard him one on one another time I would I would send a trap at him. Sometimes it would switch on the pick and roll other times I would not switch. I think you need to keep him guessing. I wouldn't I wouldn't marry myself to one particular defense. I think I would try a lot of different things He's a great player. He's going to score I think the Lakers are going to score more as a team. So my guess is that's what you're going to see. You're gonna see different defenses thrown Lillard. Everything. The Lakers tried in the Kobe memorial game didn't work yeah. That's the game. But I, mean you can almost throw that game out. It was so emotional maybe. The average thirty, six game over the three games. Yeah. Any average fifty, one game in the final three seating games this year. So he's he's Red Hot by the way Anthony Davis we talked about this a little bit yesterday. To get doubled but Zach Collins is now out when Anthony Davis in the 2017, two, thousand, eighteen regular season, which was his last full season By nurkic he was eleven of thirteen. Three for three from the free throw line for Twenty five points, eleven of thirteen versus Merkich twenty, two, thousand, Eighteen Anthony Davis when guarded by Hassan Whiteside, who's probably now going to be that second big body Anthony Davis Seven of twelve three of three from the line seventeen points. So combined neither of those guys had a chance at stopping anthony. Davis which I think bodes well for him having a really big night tonight. AD was almost unstoppable when the blazers lost to the Pelicans, in the playoffs in two thousand eighteen, the PELICANS swept him in that series Anthony Davis averaged thirty three points, fourteen rebounds, three blocks game. So I think you're GONNA get a heavy dose of Davis Tonight. But tonight's only one game. Sure Lakers win it. It's only one game if they get upset like the bucks got upset today, MILWAUKEE? Beats. Orlando of course. Yeah. So it's only one game, but I can't wait for it to happen. Yeah. Me Too me too. Here's a Damian Lillard on how he plans to handle Lebron James. You're not gonNA, stop the Brian James Lebron James just. Let him be the the best version of himself gotta try to limit as much as you can. Increase your chance to win a game but As far as preparation you know we. Say. Come. In, it's all a healthy level of respect. We not coming into it like we can't get the job. We looking at it like we know what we hope. We come in Italy from the like it's one game at a time, but we can get it done. This is really no other way to come in Italy if we were going any other way that we should have just. Came here about out gracefully before we got to this point for us, that's not what we showed up for. Your they played hard and they got here and they made it to the playoffs, and now they draw the number one seed in the west the Lakers. In terms of Lebron, the likely defensive covers are skinny mellow and Gary Trench Junior. Right and I think they may even put when Gabriel on him a little bit. WHO's six? Nine is a rookie just because if not and a who was it was over this yesterday that said, they're just gonNa try and foul mellow out. If they leave mellow on Lebron just take him, right? Yeah. Fallon out. So I think they're gonNA put. He's skinny mellow John Giving. Give him credit. I'm fat Mace Right now because of the quarantine, he's skinny mellow. He lost a lot of weight right but that's a bad thing in this case. The. Two hundred seventy pounds against on s no fat. I know I know. Hey, just take a break here. Second. Did you watch hard knocks yeah. Okay. So I know it's all weird right? It's GonNa. It's going to be on tonight. They did a really good job. They did a good, but it's it's almost like a CO vid infomercial how to deal with covert I? Mean it really is it really is a gigantic, the most important issue they're dealing with but I think Sean mcvay laid down a rule. That that should be followed by everybody and that means everybody that goes to ball games like when I go to the rams. Games. They're they're big. You should take this outside of sports. I should be a rule in life. Yeah. This should be a rule in line. Here is Sean McVeigh on porta-pottys A and also don't be the guy that takes four parties I I went in there about threw up. All right. Have a little bit more social awareness that's the take don't take it in the porta-pottys. Somebody's. Not. Putting the camera on the quarter place. Somebody. Hard. Nas to men the porta-pottys. By the way you while you were gone. Yeah. Out last week I asked Ramona this question. Sean McVeigh in that first episode of hard knocks cusses up a he really does He cusses more than you and that's saying something. I asked Ramona do you think that'll make him more popular or less popular with Ram fans? That every other word out of him as either the F. Word or s, or you know it's. More than almost anybody I've ever heard but more more popular I want that angry intensity I. Actually I, trust people who swear I think they really feel it not only does he i? Do I think it'll make it more popular he. This is hard to describe, but he cusses in. The guise of positivity it's racks. It's like this. I F in Love Football Enough and love you guys and he Oriole City Jared Goff I'm GonNa. Give you a whole bunch of new blank to put in and you're going to F in love it. Yep. So even though he swearing he's cussing up a storm he's doing it in a Way It's all upbeat. It's kind of fun to watch. I bitch and now that he's seen, the first episode is going to dial back. Yeah. Probably because he's pretty self aware what's the delay between when they shoot and when it goes on the air that seemed like? Close been shooting this whole time. So they could something that happened and they edit on the day of the show. So they edit today and they already had the Jalen Ramsey walking out of the Zuma that was in last week that was in the last week one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Lindsey. Theory was in that part of it I not off every time they cut to the chargers unlike Although I will say this. Man Anthony Lynn the chargers coach is a great guy. You know what? Even I have to say he comes off really really well well. We we always whenever you leave is when I bring charge people on because you'll insult them in my friend Josh who runs the chargers doesn't trust you but so he gave is that true? He really doesn't trust me Oh yeah. Well, what Can you blame him? You hate we'll chargers I hate to chart. Doesn't mean I can't do an interview with them yeah. Well, in interview chip Kelly in his mind it does Jim Laura the. Had that go. The But we had Anthony Lynn on yes and he Do you know this story about Anthony Lynn almost getting killed being hit by a car in Oxnard when he was an assistant for the cowboys no. So He's walking across the street with Sean Payton at night to go get some Food Sean Payton and Anthony Lynn our. Assistance to bill parcells. A car is coming down the highway and the guy didn't have his lights on. And he hit Anthony Lynn going like thirty five miles an Oh man Anthony Lynn's face was shattered his entire face. And the first responders the paramedics were so good that they like the way he told it put him back together like Humpty dumpty and and he they put him in the hospital. He had tons of plastic surgery. Wow. In he survived Sean Payton was the one who called the ambulance Yep, he survived and he to this day we'll tell you that if it wasn't for those first responders, those first initial fire paramedic guys that he'd be dead. And it all because those guys were so good at their job and I find that. so He's got this like unique outlook on life that he's lucky to be here and it just comes across in the way that dude coaches he's impossible not to root for. So I'm pulling for Anthony Land. I think he's a great. Yeah. No, he seems like a really good guy. I still not off when they when they go to the charger part of that story, which is why when so We'll have a charger I'm still a little pissed off that we're we're sharing time. With the with the chargers on that show All right coming up next for you. Oh, everybody all the world is is up in arms over Fernando. Outrage wait to get to the took it three Oh pitch yard when the padres had six run lead and all hell has broken loose we will get to that coming up next for you mason. Ireland seventeen ESPN I seven ten espn Mason Ireland what is going on last night we should mention we we've mentioned yet today that the dodgers are incredibly hot at this moment. They have now won six in a row. The swear. They came from behind last night to beat Seattle nine dodger stadium they rallied for five in the seventh including a Kika. After a terrible start from Ross stripling didn't pitch well, bullpen through six innings of one run ball. Kenley Jansen now seven for seven in save opportunities and John Mookie Betts. Was Two for nine with his ninth home run. He is third in baseball. Now in home runs trailing only Fernando Tateishi junior who's got eleven Mike Trout who got ten mookie has nine. He's got a ten fifty, five ups and the dodgers have got the best record in the National League home to Seattle again tonight Tony Gosselin on the mound for the dodgers. So we mentioned Fernando to junior. That is one of the big stories today last night hit a very controversial. Grand. Slam home run. Runners lead at all three bases and pitch. Totti's is swung on and hit out to deep right field. It is up and down a grand slam for Fernando Totti's junior. He leaves Mike Trout behind with his eleven, th home run of the season, his -secutive the night and in the last forty minutes or so he is hit two home runs and driven in seven. The padres have made it a blowout fourteen to three in Arlington. and. After the game, the unwritten rules of baseball are officially taking a meeting. Taking a beating, it was to tease who on a take sign on three Oh. Went Yard and at that point, the padres had a six old lead. Now, people are saying bad form unwritten rules. You don't swing into three Oh when you've got a big lead. As far as I'm concerned, Fernando teast junior is one of the most exciting players in the game and we should allow him to be as exciting as possible, and that includes it. Look if you don't want him to hit a Grand Slam, don't throw a ball down main street. Was the pitcher not trying to strike him out? Well it's three Oh. Yeah. But the pitcher trying to get them out. Oh, sure. Yeah. pitcher trying to get him out APPs absolutely theriault pitch. This is the dumbest you these unwritten rules of baseball drive me crazy. Then that chicken bleep Chris Woodward who used to be the dodgers hitting coach Yup throws at the next hitter. Because because tease hit a grand slam. He throws it Manny Machado. Do that. Do we know it was Chris Woodward who called the Code Red or or was it just that next Rangers pitcher who is ultimately ejected from the game we know. Gobbo is a guy who received a three game suspension for throwing at Manny. Machado. All right. So here's our buddy Jim Bowdoin. He was on CBS sports line and Bowdoin on TV commenting on this and I could not agree more with Boden here's Jim. Chris First of all, it's two thousand twenty. There are no unwritten rules. If it's not written, it's not a rule he supposed to swing three zero. He supposed to hit a home run if he can and I am sick and tired of baseball and fans talking about the unwritten rules and you can't do it here and you can't do it there. Look we are attracting more young people the baseball than ever before you WANNA know why for players like Fernando, tat tease show flash and smile and show US backflips. That's what the young people want. It's exciting. It's two thousand and twenty. This is what I. Think should happen Chris I think commissioner man I should suspend Chris Woodward the manager of the Rangers for one game for telling his pitcher to throw behind Fernando Totti's junior in the next at bat I think he should find chase tingler the manager of the San Diego Padres for agreeing with Woodward that you shouldn't be swinging three. No, and I think Fernando Tateishi junior should apologize for apologizing when he had no reason to yeah I agree more. By the way you heard mentioned that Jas Tingler the manager of the PADRAS. Now this is tesis manager correct correspondent what he said after the game this idiot play that. Starts with. Just. Picking up the SCIMECA the the the learning opportunity and and just you know a lot of our guys have green light real but you know in this game in particular. We had a a little bit of a comfortable lead and. We're not trying to. you know, run up the score or anything like that. So you know, but on the taste sign and and. Strike Writer. What is he talking about? Mason? You're at that game in Houston that world series game the finish thirteen to twelve. You're not. There is no. We don't stop scoring you don't stop scoring. And Safe You keep scoring what in the world these morons talking about well, I mean. I. Think what we're watching John is because if you if you search around twitter and search around every column in the World Right now that's written about this. You see the the continued death of the unwritten rules. The unwritten rules are slowly dying, and for good reason I mean I think imboden makes the best point there, which is you have got a charismatic unbelievably talented Fernando to junior on that padres team. He is one of the I'd say three most exciting players in the game right now he's got personality. He's got flash. She's fun to watch. He's he's unbelievable gifted mean all that stuff I mean to me you want those guys to be able to thrive. You want those guys to be able to show you want those guys. To attract that younger audience that baseball so He needs. So don't don't try to put a stop to to Fernando Junior just doing what he does and having fun doing it. I don't understand it, and by the way I'm gonNA thrown out a mythical money bet here. And and the you maybe when you were talking about mookie Betts Hey. mookie is plus seven fifty to win the National League. MVP Right. Now, right now, I'm going to bet six thousand dollars on him to win the National League MVP. Mythical money that means if he wins it I get forty, five grand plus my original six back. So but my biggest worry is peace. To tease could beat him. But since I think, the dodgers are going to win the division and he's going to lead them there. I'm GonNa, roll the dice six K. on bets to win MVP I. Win Forty Five Grand Plus I get my original six back if I hit it obviously if I don't lose the six so there you go. Okay, Jerry have it. I got. Bats Yeah. I get the Merrick Shuman who, who, who, who, offers me all the time one of our listeners. So Eric I think it's a great. He wanted me to bet more. He wanted me he wanted me to twelve thousand by the way I'm scared to tease so I'm watching the dodgers game and by the way I'm I'm getting so frustrated because In in our fantasy, the the fantasy league that I'm in with Ramona Yeah I bet the ranch on cody bellinger I bet the ranch spent fifty one dollars he is has been inexplicably bad and shows no signs of getting out of him and him and Jose altuve eight boat. Yeah. altuve as the exact same story. Yeah I mean I think if you look at the shortlist for for MVP bets there. Fernando Juniors there. And you know one Soto has all the sudden come on really really fast after missing some games because I think he hit home runs and five straight games. So he's coming on strong to. And Ronald Kuni Juniors another guy. But yeah I I liked your odds. I like your odds I know who it's not going to be the guy at the ranch on cody bellinger it's not going to be him not so far. Not. So I would say plenty of time left, but we're in a pandemic. So there really isn't we're basically at a third of the season for Valentine's purposes sounds. Very fast, I coming up next for you the scoop all the stuff we haven't talked about yet mason and Ireland seventeen espn.

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"It has been said that we are on one generation away from forgetting our history. Welcome to American heroes network where we serve our American tradition with Gary rate in our program, you'll hear firsthand personal accounts of euros. Unselfish actions have contributed to the traditions and values that represent the soul of America. You'll also hear from our partners and affiliations presenting news, events and ways that our veterans and their families can rebuild their lives. Now here is dairy rate. January two thousand nineteen good morning and welcome to the American heroes network radio and happy new year to everyone. It's a brand new year. Actually, we're starting our seventh year this has diamond it's a it's a going to be good go around on this. And join me today as co-host is tannin Colonel Bill Forbes army retired former deputy secretary for the Maryland department of veterans affairs. Also pass department commander for the state of Maryland. Good morning, sir. Morning. Gary and happy New Year's great to be with you. When we look forward to a very great year this year. Good with you, my friend. All right. Also joining us this morning Jim clue he served with the fourth infantry division for nineteen months in Vietnam. He was awarded the purple heart for wounds received an action and reached the rank of staff sergeant at discharge Jim has served as chapter and department commander as well as the national Americanism officer national public relations officer and is the former national historian for the military or the propeller. Good morning, Jim. Good morning. Gary. Good morning Bill. Yes. I guess it's going to be it's going to be, you know, something this year everybody, listen close because as we progress on our shows go going forward, and it's going to be it's going to be something else. You're going to really enjoy it kind. Now, always provided us some good news articles and Bill. What's the latest is far as I heard our oldest veteran something happened. He died. Yes. Gary, and sadly, we lost Richard Overton who had been arrested down in Austin, Texas, one hundred twelve years of age the oldest living World War Two veteran. We lost him about three weeks ago. And he will be sadly miss as you know, Richard Overton was he was a real great character, you know, still moving around and being very active at the ripe age of one hundred and twelve so he will be clearly myth in the veterans community. But anyway, we also have something of this Senator wants to question the unspent VA suicide prevention funds what's going on their Bill. Well, you know, just a quick prelude to this. You know, we continued to say that veteran's suicide prevention awareness is an everyday concern. Not just in the month of September. When it's recognized by the US department of veterans affairs, but has a situation again with the money that's available to the department of veterans affairs. And yes, twenty one senators from the yes Senate side of the congress is asking the US department of veterans affairs to explain why is just at fifty seven thousand dollars a budget media program for six point two million dollars. And this advertising was. Strictly focusing on suicide prevention for fiscal two thousand eighteen and they're calling this deficiency really appalling for the lack of oversight and and doing what they should do. And and and and there's further a demand for full accounting of seventeen point seven million dollars budgeted further by the the was suicide prevention Gary with the media aspects of this. This is very important because this way men and women who serve this country that's out there can access these kinds of programs to help them out with what they're going with with the issues that they live. I meant she's all his money, and it's not going. It's not moving. Or it is we don't know moving to yet. Now, we're going to continue to monitor this scary into to to make that known about what's happening. That's a lot of money to be appropriated. And then just we can't give an account for what has happened to with. Over course of the time. Periods to help our men and women. Also, you had something else on the news on a news article about a disabled veterans canal fly space, what's it called space, a on a military aircraft? What are the guidelines? Race available. It Gary, you know, that's part of a package, and we want to encourage men and women veterans community at to look at some of the things that have happened by within the states and the federal government level for an example in in Georgia. The state of Georgia beginning this year that the person who was a qualified firefighter on active duty that training that they received initially qualifies them as women draining to be considered for a fighting position in the state of Georgia. It's a great move on that state the national guard in Indiana. The state is saying that as far as those individuals who called up to serve on active duty and their enroll. Role in the in the state accredited colleges or university vacant have a refund. If that call the active duty, a for them with them in in in, you know, attending classes, the state of New Hampshire for an example for service told disabled veterans will get a two thousand four thousand increase of what they call a tax credit for property taxes. And as you mentioned, the the space age space available on military flights are around the country. They will be eligible to get a free ride wherever that aircraft is going that they may have an interested in visiting. All right. So we're going to have more these because there's a lot of this. It's it's available out there that you know, we'll as we go through. I probably will make reference back to them. Of course, you can't live in Oregon to get any of these benefits. So. I think there's something for going. So we we wanna say the best for soon. That's right. Oh boy. Oh boy. All right. Jim guess what you have the honor of? Introducing our guest today. Well, Gary, thank you. It is it is an honor. Christopher Davidson Davison is a retired sergeant first class with twenty one years active army service, hailing from central Maine Christopher joined the army in nineteen ninety six and his first deployment was in nineteen ninety seven to Bosnia hurts Vania with the second armored cavalry regiment in support of Operation Joint guard stabilization force, and that must have been something for Christopher to enter that whole realm of the European theater after his return home. He was discharged with the tough thing that most of us do fight, and that's PTSD depression, anxiety, and these started to heavily medicate himself after his first enlistment he left the army and tried to make it on the outside world without much success. Then later he came back and join the army again. Eleven months later, he really focused on his career throughout his career. He was really quite successful yell. The position of platoon sergeant no small accomplishment microwave team chief dining facility manager, recruit recruiter and culinary arts instructor, however during that position in this career, he helped hundreds and and and look at the sensitivity that Christopher had he helped hundreds of soldiers with their lives in the, but sadly, he neglected his own and he became addicted Doxa cotton hydrocortisone, you know, and many other medications throughout his career. The army he held over fifty different types of medications, and and for various iss- issues that he was suffering from which half of them where psychiatric medications, and that's a scary thing for all of us. At the times doctors were giving him three to four different medications and added more or change them on the next follow up. There was no consistency and make medications and or indoor regular visits. Sadly, he was left to fight the battle himself and tough go. But I've gotta say what a tremendous man Christopher is you go to his website. And you're just horrified with the things that he went through. And then the depth of what he's done since Gary Bill, it's my honor to introduce Christopher to you and the audience. All right. Okay. Welcome chris. Good morning. Thank you. Well, because of the time issue we're gonna get try to get everything in. You know within this time period. But sometimes we'll take a break a little bit earlier a little bit late just to make it more comfortable for all of us. Okay. And why don't you? Go ahead. We're going to go ahead and take a quick break. And you're listening to the American heroes network power by voice, America variety channel. And we'll be right back. What's happening on the voice, America talk radio network by keeping up with us on Twitter. You can find us at voice America. T R N. For those corporations or organizations who wish to support our veterans sponsoring in promotion on the American heroes network has never been easier or smarter as the only network focused, specifically reach the military and veteran population globally for more information, Email us at sponsor info at American heroes network dot com. Providing a unique blend of information and advocacy. We are helping our American heroes and their families to heal successfully transition to civilian life into thrive in their communities. This generation will not be forgotten. Today's military are our sons and daughters. Listen live to the American heroes network. The worldwide voice for our military families and veterans every Tuesday at eleven AM eastern time. Eight AM Pacific time all shows are archived un-american heroes network dot com and syndicated on I tunes. Stimulating talk gets both brains really bad all the time. The number one internet talk station, where your opinion counts voice, America dot com. You are tuned into American heroes network. If you wanna find out more about us or to contact us with questions or comments about the show, please send an Email to American heroes network at g mail dot com. That's American heroes network that g mail dot com. Now back to our program. Welcome back here where yes Chris from project. I am me. Now, Chris hunted. This all start. I mean, what got your interest in in putting this together and helping everyone out there as far as you know, when it comes to alcohol abuse or medication of us. Could you tell us the story and how it all started? Well, you know, I retired in December two thousand seventeen I left for you know, I I was setting myself up for job. And I got a nice job as a kitchen director down in Florida. So you know, I figured move my family down there. And what we did is, you know, we left for for for bliss, and we went to Florida, and I started working at my job. And I only lasted about shoo five days before I was sat down and my supervisor. He was like, you know, I don't think it's gonna work out. We're going to let you go and looking back. I always thought that it was the military ingrained in me, and how I was you know, acting at work. But it wasn't that. It was it was more than I thought it was bringing you know, a lot of good things to the people. And so did they when they hired me? But I was really let go because my uncle hall. You know, looking back. I see myself. Like everybody around me. It's Mel alcohol. I couldn't smell it. And I just, you know, everything was okay. And I'd go about my business. You know, once I got like oh there. I was stuck in Florida. I've been to have any the disability just getting my regular retirement check. And I started really self medicating, you know, long story sore. I started calling my family back home with like you throughout my military career back in Maine, and I made a decision just move my family from Florida to Maine, and we moved up there. We're there for a total of eight months, and then you know, once I got better. I ended up moving down here in North Carolina. When I was in Maine, you know, I started drinking really heavy again. And I had a job at a casino, and I was hired. For I was working there for about a month. And I was let go again, I was actually suspended for eight days. And I'm like, okay. Maybe it was me act in like, I within the military. You know, the civilian world not ready for that. So come to find out about my drinking again. And you know, I look back at the Barras meant that. I was putting myself through by hiding, you know, I would hide my my liquor in regular bottles that you would buy in the store just to conceal it. And there was this one time I had a liquor bottle. You know, Gatorade bottle filled with Strada in my pocket, and I'm sitting down my brother's house and talking to him and his wife, and I guess I sat in the chair wrong, and it started spilling all over the floor. They looked at me, and I had to this massive embarrassment. Come over me. And I. Conceal them to you know, I said it was my water bottle. But they knew you know, eventually my brother kept on me about it. And there was this one time I had an episode at home and my wife was getting on me about my liquor. And it got to the point where I was actually cutting myself because of my depression, my PTSD, and my wife had called my brother over to the house. He only live, you know, not even a mile away and he walked in the room. And so me all cut up on my stomach and everything, you know, self-inflicted loons, and he got in my face, and he's my little brother, and I it was just something he said and just the look on his face made me reach down under the bed hand, my liquor bottle and say I'm done, and and you know, that's when. Really started setting in. I went through about too hard long weeks of, you know, getting dry white knuckling it, and it was the worst feeling in the world literally I felt like always dying. But I haven't to drink since April fourth last year, and I don't ever look forward to it. Because I just know that you know, how much pain, and and how much suffering that my family and myself are going to go through as soon as I touched that bottle. Gosh, Chris this is Jim or what a heart wrenching story of of survival and recovery, and is that was looked Christopher is. I was looking at your website. Is you talked about your sobriety? And the and the and the almost getting heading towards a year sobriety. Not quite there, obviously. But Christopher I wondered what it took for you to get off of the drugs. Because m I correct there was not only alcohol were there other drugs involved in it, also like prescription drugs, or, you know, you know, prescribed drugs also involved in that. Yeah. Throughout you know, as soon as I got back from deployment in Bosnia. I was I was only twenty years old on my first point. And you know, I seen some some things over there that, you know, they'll never get out of my memory. And when I came back to the states, you know, everybody goes through. This three men with behavioral health just to see how we're, you know, getting back to life back in garrison, and they relate, you know, you you got PTSD you got the press in and they started putting me on medications. So I've been on sicker shopping medications since nineteen ninety seven and I are ninety eight and I joined the army and ninety six. So you know, I I was on hydrocortisone oxycodone Percocet dies. Pam even got on now treks on methadone whole Palero of medications, and I became addicted to them so bad that I was taking, you know, five to eight Pirka sets day just a function and it wasn't just because of the PTSD anxiety. I also had you know, physical injuries. And you know, they would prescribe me medications to put those in. You know, subside those injuries just put a band-aid over. Project story Christopher. And bill. Well, Chris welcome again to the show. And, you know, just listening to you know, what your experiences been puts me so much in mind. This news article about these suicide prevention awareness funds. But you know, let me just say this to you, you know, our country United States of America prepares us to be the the best warriors in the world with trained to be the best. And then best a lot of money in when when that occurs, but when we return to home and community like you did after leaving the military, and let me tell you this has happened. I mean, Jim, and I and Gary we'll both at the Vietnam era and bad boots on the ground. It we what we want train. I mean. To be able to re integrate the home and community. And this is what I'm hearing. You know of the experience that you went through it some way we've got to be able to get to that point that we're prepared to come back to home and community. Tell our listening audience about some of the individuals who you were now based on your experience at trying to help through blogs and videos, what this situations are that have been brought to you attention. So what I what I do. For example, is I try to get people to see what they're doing. That's the way. That's the thing that helped me, you know, a helped me in the past a little bit. But you know, I wasn't ready to get sober and get help I tried and I had lost faith in the whole system within the military. So what I do is. You know, meet people on Facebook people come to the website, and they'll send me private messages and asked me, you know, you know, about my videos, and some of the a lot of them have very interesting stories and what I do is. I take their their story. And I turn it into something that they can see you. You can't get over a lot of the. Issues that you have in addictions, just by going to the doctor. You have to physically see what you've done throughout your life. And what you're continuing to do if you're, you know, still inadequate or in alcoholics or creating domestic violence within your family suicidal tendencies. So what ideas I take all those photos, and I make a life story. And they look at that. And it helps them to see you know, what they've done, and it'll help them to get to where they wanna go. Well, that's great, Chris because you know, what I think I'm hearing you saying with the response, and what you said initially, the gyms question to you is that is not just you that with this problem presents itself because you with a family, and and so many others who families who come back and have this issue. It becomes a family issue to contend with. And that right either worst situation in the world. So how how has that say like impacted your family and some of the other families that you dealt with? My God the things that I'll put my family through I met my wife in for I spent five years in Korea with the forty first signal company, and my wife, you know, uprated her entire life. She married me. And I promised the world, but I was an addict and hang out the whole ache. So pretty much. I lied to my wife when I'm there, and you know, she's still with me now, and she's kept me on the right path recently. I mean, she's tried so hard in the past. And I just I couldn't get over the things that I've seen the things that I've done, and I created this massive domestic violence within my family. And I mean, it got physical many many times there was one point. I was so wrong that the police were called to the home in for polis. And they ended up taking my wife. Away because I was such a functioning alcoholic addict that I persuaded the police that my wife was in the wrong, really. I was wondering should have gone to jail. So, you know, not getting the proper help that I was supposed to get put me in a bad position with my family. You know, things are getting better. Now, it takes a lot of time. A lot of the lives that we addicts Holly, you know, present upon our family those things take time to heal. And there there's just some days that, you know, your family member will be upset at you. Because there's something they got reminded about when you were an alcoholic. So, you know, getting things out on the table is the best way. And the way I started was I just started writing down my thoughts and things like that. I started writing a book. And I got a call one day to make video for team veteran foundation, Gordon Brown out of Arezzo and put this video together to help their projects for the hype airy oxygen therapy. And when I at after looking at the video, there was just this overwhelming power that came across me to make video about myself. So creating all these videos about myself and hoping in hopes that somebody, you know, people would see what we go through. I can totally understand that. But we're going to quote, take a quick break list into the American heroes network, powered by voice American variety channel, and we'll be right back. Think you've seen everything there is to see an online television. Let us apprise. Visit voice America dot TV today for sports health business and more on demand. Twenty four seven providing a unique blend of information and advocacy. 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If you wanna find out more about us or to contact us with questions or comments about the show, please send an Email to American heroes network at g mail dot com. That's American heroes network that g mail dot com. Now back to our program. Welcome back where I guess Chris with project. I'm me, and we have a questions far as not a question. I just something sane unique about your name. And Jim you had a question. Nettie question on you just want to I guess bring it bring me. Yeah. Right. Christopher year website, which is. Everybody's anybody hearing this has to go to your website with that website. Christopher I was struck by its power. It says so much as I said earlier, I'm sure Gary and Bill were impacted is being boots on the ground Vietnam. We certainly experienced what your website projects and you see project. I'm me Christopher tell us about how that name came to be. And what it means to you? Yeah. Well, I was sitting down writing some pages in my book and something I wrote. I am me. And and I realize, you know, I'm me regardless of what I've done what I've been through. And you know, all the things I've done it doesn't matter. About anything else? You are who you are. So either way you look at me, if you're looking at it at the picture, I m e reads left to right, and it also reached top to bottom the red stands for alcoholism purple is for domestic violence Lewis for child abuse, the yellow is for support of the veterans round as for tobacco. Green is for depression. Blackest for throw SIS with alcohol and morning. You know, a lot of the deaths and suicides that are out there in the white stands for men's violence against women. All those others are related to the things that I've gone through. So, you know, I just came up with you know, at project, I me, you know, we're told to live life to the fullest. So it serves as a. Sel help those overcome alcoholism that seems PTSD domestic violence, you know, men's violence against women law soldiers and support our veterans so with with the actual project. I am mean the acronym. You know, the peace fan for be proactive taking a proactive approach and on the issues and face them. Head on the are as resiliency no create a resilient behavior within your life. When when you do when you do that. You know, a lot of good things will come out of being resilient the always overcome overcome the obstacles of your past. And the present just Jay is for justification justify to yourself your own disruptive behaviors ES for empowerment, empower yourself and others. Sharing your experiences. Close mouth one. Can't we have to open our mouth and say something and get the help that we need see care. Take time for yourself and others. You know, healing takes time. Which brings me time. You know, just all wounds will heal in time. The I it's interven- intervening. The problem that, you know, maybe family members fees, you have an alcohol problem intervene. You know? Don't be scared like my wife was he wouldn't even call the police because he had fear of my career getting destroyed, and I would lose my retirement, so intervene, the problem at all costs m is for moving to action. The other for motivate motivate people through your experiences in e for a radically alcoholism that diction PTSD and suicide. All right. Boy, Christopher I I hear that closed mouth won't get fed and looking on your website. You just you just knocked it out of the ballpark there. That's the I think that's one of the key cornerstones to getting that help that you know, you with your brother looked yourself squarely in the eye and guts out to outside of yourself like you said on your website. And you looked at yourself in valuated because you didn't set out like you said here in a closed mouth. I think I'm going to be an alcoholic. When I grow up and get into my later life, you know early. Yeah. Christopher real dynamic. Exactly. Bill. Well, Christopher, you know, our program has a wide circulation both in the country and outside the country. And I'm sure there are a lot of people listening if they're not listening live. They will listen to record version how can one who has a concern about the same kinds of issues that you've gone through to be able to be in contact with you in the program that they can get started and the be able to work on themselves. Everything right now is done. All my communications done through Email, then go to the website and emailed me a project. I m m e g mail dot com. Certain cases and individuals reach out to them and give them my phone, number and talk one on one everything strictly confidential it, but if you know, if I see something just like, the military changes, you know, if you're gonna harm yourself or harm somebody else. There's a veteran crisis line out there. And I've used that many times to seek some kind of helping and just talk to somebody the other ways are they can watch my YouTube videos and see the lane once they find the link Mr. Davidson, they can go to my Facebook at culinary Davidson, they can add me as a friend, and I can reach. To them that way on right now. Everything's just over the the internet. So do you at some point expect to expand the get some more working individuals with you? I guess what's what's you your future ahead in terms of where you'd like to see this go my alternate. You know, mildly goal is, you know, may the military, and, you know, some of the officials will and the Veterans Administration look at what I've created and reach out to me in hope, you know, that I could do some motivational speaking because, you know, saying my experiences, I know there are thousands of other soldier out there. I talked to one the other day used to be my soldier. And I still keep in contact. You know, this soldier used to self inflicted wounds on himself too. And was in alcoholics, and you know, my alternate goal is to get that word out there. You know, maybe people, you know, corporations veterans administrations and things like that will take this in and be like, you know, okay. This guy's going somewhere with this. This is the help that the military with missing in the training aspect. You know, they train us about suicide prevention and things like that. But there's the stigma that you know, it'll ruin our career if we speak up, if we get the help that we need, you know, I've been called crazy, you know, a thousand times just because I got to be 'have your health. So then I, you know, ended up stop going behavioral health once I started making it higher in rank because my soldier is looked at it. Maybe as a weakness we need to stop that and get the proper training. Within the military and the veteran community. You know? That's that's the ultimate goal. And and and Chris near the end of the the first break that we had you you spoke about some writings that you had done with reference to hyper barrack oxygen therapy. Tell all listening audience what did that entail that that you make reference to? Mr. Gordon Brown reached out to me about doing video for the H pot. And what it is, you know, soldiers that have PTSD, depression, addictions and things like that. When when they go to the hyperbaric oxygen therapy that gives the brain time to heal, you know, they go into the chamber that get all this oxygen treatment. And once the brain is healed from all these issues. That's when they can start getting, you know, the proper help that they need through therapy and things like that. He went through this therapy. No, not yet. But I talked with Mr. Gordon Brown. And and, you know, did a lot of research on it for the video I had to create and it's phenomenal program. I hope in and they also hope that, you know, the military will adapt. This type of therapy to heal the soldiers. Inveterate? We we've had we've had Gordon on a couple times already. And and I'll tell you, hyper barrack, therapy chamber is is something else. We believe highly in it. We believe is working is doing, you know, lot of hate to use the word because the looks down and it's a miracle. But. But you know. Something that you should take. I mean, if you it does clear up your head a lot. And that's what you heard also Chris. Right. Right. Right. So I think it would be a great idea to you know, to include him in in anything, you do he's filled with knowledge when it comes to that hyperbaric chamber. Absolutely, jim. Chris. I'm just I just I'm I'm as I listen to you, Chris it's like it's like listening to a story of road of travelled by. I've gotta say certainly myself. I look at the suicide PTSD depression anxiety. And I'm I'm amazed. We are survivors, but look at the path of destruction. And and carnage. We've I personally have left along the way of my recovery. Four and a half days from to court jungle in Vietnam central highlands to LAX airport with a with a brand new spanking still stiff from manufacturer uniform on and being costed by you know, the the do gooders called me a baby killer, and and Chris I can only imagine the same things different battle same problems. And we still. Did ni- we still the past it, we won't identify it. The military like Bill said they prepare this to to kill with our teeth. If that was necessary, but from there we were on our own, and and there it is. And I just so applaud you for taking control of your life and say, no, if the different medications and the denial process of bringing you up to the point of final, and, you know, it's doer it's it's gonna do it. You're you said you're going to do it. And I'm proud you Chris. I mean what you're doing? Now, what you've done what you've been through your a success story, and your that success story is music to our here's I'm sir. It's too. You know, it's the Bill and to Gary and myself, and I'm sure everybody this listening. We're gonna go ahead and take a break. You're listening to the American heroes network powered by voice American variety channel, and we'll be right back. Favorite voice, America, talk radio network shows and hosts are in your car outdoors, and wherever you need them to be listen, anywhere. Get our mobile app for my phone blackberry or Android at the apple itunes apps to like vary app world or Android market. Providing a unique blend of information and advocacy. We are helping our American heroes and their families to heal successfully transition into civilian life into thrive in their communities. This generation will not be forgotten today's military our our sons and daughters. Listen live to the American heroes network. The worldwide voice for our military families and veterans every Tuesday at eleven AM eastern time. Eight AM Pacific time all shows are archived un-american heroes network dot com and syndicated online tunes. For those corporations or organizations who wish to support our veterans sponsoring in promotion on the American heroes network has never been easier or smarter as the only network focus, specifically reach the military and veteran population globally for more information, Email us at sponsor info at American heroes network dot com. Stimulating talk gets those nasty brains. All the time, the number one internet talk station, where your opinion counts voice, America dot com. You are two nd into American heroes network. If you wanna find out more about us or to contact us with questions or comments about the show, please send an Email to American heroes network at g mail dot com. That's American heroes network that gmaiLcom now back to our program. Welcome back. I guess Chris with project. I am mean and Bill I know you had a question. Yes. Chris is you've mentioned that you you attempting to get started with some more relational speaking in in the North Carolina area, you know, from my view the map and North Carolina, and it's a large state there. But certainly if you interested let listening audience know, you know, how they might approach that. And maybe what areas in North Carolina that you interested in doing that. Well, right now, I'm in the favillas area. And one of the goals. I have do the motivational speaking, you know, especially to the youth I into veterans and soldiers, you know, I'd love to speak on the military installation. And get these soldiers involved through my experiences. They can go to the website, and send me an Email re requesting for me to come to their location and speak about, you know, certain issues. Whatever is they have going on or whatever. The the major problem is go in and talk to them, you know, at least twenty five percent of that that returned from deployments. They come back with substance. Abuse problems, substance abuse is orders, and they just can't kick. It. I found the way that I was able to kick it, you know, white knuckle it and listen to stories listen to what people went through. You know, we have a we soldiers and vets have a lot of mental health barriers when when it comes to seeking help, you know, at a personal embarrassment even long wait times at the clinics. You know, long appointment times with the VA in within the military installation. We go through you know, shame of needing help. And asking for help we go through fear of you know. People looking at us as sign of weakness in from like, logistics, you know, location and having the travel for the help, you know, my goal is to actually go out there and give them the help that they need. They have a captive audience there. Oh, Cumberland county Fort Bragg, home of the eighty second airborne division. I think you've got a lot of folks in that area that you can be a tremendous service to. Yep. That's one of the goals. One of the next step that I'm gonna get involved with is reaching out to the local rehab centers. I've already tried to contact for for Bragg, letting them know kind of my story, and what I wanna do for them. All right. Why don't you give us your URL? It's project. I m M E dot com. Right. And your contact Email. Also project. I am and e at G mail dot com. All right now. Again, we were getting we only have a couple of minutes left, Chris. And it was a pleasure. Having you on the show this morning, but one would you like to share with our listeners closing? You know, like, I always say, and I learned this back in my first duty station. Four coal close mouth is not going to get said if you feel the need to hurt yourself or self medicate, you know, reach out there go to the website seek help. And if you don't know where to go, you don't know the veteran crisis line out get it to you. And the more people that I get involved we have people throughout the United States that can help is just open your mouth and in and say, something, right? Exactly. Exactly bill. Chris. Thank you for your service or great nation. Thank you for your continued service of what you're doing. Is you try to heal and help others? He'll we certainly hope that in the very near future you'll come back again and so sheer some more experiences with us at the American heroes network. You is my pleasure. Jim. Well, I gotta say Chris, God bless you. And thank you for your courage. There's a there's a warrior in you that God created and the military helped support. And I'm so glad that you. You're you Chris you're good, man. And God bless you. And your efforts in this, you know, project. I I'm me, and I really do look forward to hearing more about you have already sent you a connection and we want to be in contact. Thank you, sir. All right. If you missed any of our live shows all our shows are on demand twenty four seven on our website and syndicated on I tunes and remember we spotlight and promote the best available information of interest to America's veterans and their families anytime anywhere in any mobile device. Wishing everyone wishing everyone up prosperous two thousand nineteen thanks for joining us today. And we'll see next week be safe out there. Thank you again for joining us for this week's edition of American heroes network. Please drilling. Gary Ray again next Tuesday at eight AM Pacific time eleven AM eastern time on the voice, America variety channel never great week. Nation things. With.

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203: Screw Your Traditions

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I remember my mom. Ah for church. She would do the. Let me check what you're wearing thing. And then she would give me a list of things. I'm not allowed to talk about you know joel. Do jokes at mass. If you do this. I swear to. God you're gonna lose a president like she would threaten me before every event few things can ruin holiday faster than the pressure of having to keep up with tradition for kristen that meant enduring the annual ritual of her mom's christmas mass lecture and then she would make me wear these stupid white tights that always the crash would like fall down and i was always so miserable. I was in address. I like she wanted so badly to be like this. Demure princess with long curls and a low address. And i was like i need this started. It started for other kids like jenn holiday. Traditions had a way of transforming something fun like advent calendars something that felt more like sunday school. My parents were like eighties. Divorced parents so the only thing. I really remember being traditional with every sunday night. My mom would have us do this advent calendar and if you really wanted to kill a christmas boehner for a child. It's to do these sunday night. Devotional talking about the the meanings of the advent wreath and jenin. Kristen know a lot about bucking traditions. Because as the stars of the web series and podcast. I mom so hard. They don't exactly consider themselves as fitting the traditional mold of model parenting. We're experts in talking about not being experts in parenting. We're more of a what not to do as far as parenting goes. That's we largely share where we've messed up and if there's one thing we've learned from all those mess ups is the power of making it up as you go but what happens when the traditions you've come to rely on as a family are thrown a curveball. It's a dilemma. That a lot of us are facing late and one that whether we realize it or not. We've all faced growing up awful one christmas. I was so young but remember that my aunt died. Of course. I was very sad. Because i was sad that my mom was sad. So that here. My mom and dad had to go out to the funeral. So i had to have christmas with a different family am followed their traditions in all i kept thinking about well. What the heck do i'm am. I going to miss armory present. I remember i got to watch. My friend opened oliver flippant presence. Which was a nightmare. One strawberry shortcake doll and she got like forty. And i was like this. We'll do are so mad at my aunt. That's the meaning of christmas. You guys needless to say christine got through that holiday fully intact proof that sometimes changing things up can be an opportunity. One that prepares us for whatever. Unexpected thing comes next in a year. Like twenty twenty. Where there's a lot of kerr falls. I think it's important to hold onto the traditions that you can and let go the ones that are okay for one year. It's perfectly fine to break tradition. Because you will one day look back on that drunk uncle taking shirt off before dinners even serve very fondly from purity in radio. I'm neil and this is mortified today on the show. Tis the season to give it tales of kids attempting to start new traditions and ones and we promise it will be just as awkward as all those traditions you've been experiencing for decades. Hi i'm andrea. I grew up in long island in the nineties. I live with my mom. My dad my older sister and brother and my beloved golden retriever. Penny penny really was my best friend. I was nine years old when she suddenly died. And i was left with no one to tell my secrets to for many kids. Traditions are all about family togetherness what happens when being together just isn't possible. It's a question that andrea faced one new year's and inspired her to start a brand new tradit- once she hoped would bring her comfort so on the first day of the new year. I began writing down all my thoughts in a diary. Each entry addressed a penny f. I won't be all sad. I promised at first. I wrote about my grief at losing my dog but soon after adam brenner my fourth grade crash arrived on the scene. January first nineteen ninety-six dear penny. This has been the worst vacation i ever had. You got sick. And i was worried about you and mom was crying all the time. Then when you died i was even more miserable. This is my first day writing. And i want you to look at this. Every day i write it and always look over me. January second nineteen ninety-six dare penny. Today was pretty good. I told gem that you died and she told everyone else. I hope you're not mad. I did a lot of my independent study and becoming really. Good friends with julie teela. My cat is really depressed without you. Mike says that either you enter doggy heaven or you reincarnated into someone i now. Okay i'm gonna have to start cleaning my ears. Because they're always waxy january third nineteen ninety-six dear penny. Today was fifty fifty the morning. Wasn't that great. Because mr good cat gave bad answers and lectured me then. Lisa january passing notes. In gem allison turned against me and then turned everyone else to. I got back my friendship with her at lunch overall today it was great but i did cry about three times january. Seventh nineteen ninety-six dear penny. Today was a blizzard. It would have been very hard for you to go to the bathroom. It's snowed and snowed all day through. I worked on my independent study. And i got a lot done. My boards look awesome. One of my jack gives was to design my own coin. So i did one commemorating you emperor dogs penny the great. I miss you a lot. No school tomorrow. January ninth nineteen ninety-six dare penny school tomorrow. Well when this four day weekend was great. I've learned a lot of also fawn in love with jt. But only with his hair slicked back january fifteenth nineteen ninety-six. Dear penny and miss. You deeply and whenever i see something that reminds me of you i start to cry. I wish you never left. Well i gotta go gotta go rest for my independent study january twenty first nineteen ninety-six dear penny penny. Could you come back as our next dog. Please beg whoever you have to be with us. I think i'm getting another bird to try to replace you. But nothing and no one could not even a better dog than you but there isn't. Don't worry i miss you. January twenty second nineteen ninety-six dare penny. Today was awesome. School was great. I understood the math. And i did. Great and banned then me and lisa went online and we talked with a fifteen year. Old guy did you ask whoever you have to be our next dog. If not chai too soon january twenty third nineteen ninety-six six dear penny. I went on america online again. And i met another guy. He thinks i'm fifteen to have a hebrew test tomorrow. Miss you love you want you back. I think adam lakes me january twenty fifth nineteen ninety-six dear penny. I think adam. And i both have mixed feelings for each other. Oops it's late gotta go january thirty first nineteen ninety-six dear penny today. I got my tv. it's awesome it's white and bright and beautiful. I'm obsessed with it. I got my report card from hebrew. School and i got a very average also. I will rate the day from one to ten. Today was nine plus february third nineteen ninety-six dear penny. Adam lakes me. Yeah that means. I like him. But jim said he doesn't have the guts to ask me out. I wish he did rate ten february fifth nine hundred ninety six der penny. Happy birthday to me. Today was great. I got a really nice card from ali. Everyone was nice. I struck double digits. Ten years old young out of us too much of a worst to ask me out but he probably will sooner or later the cutest boy in fifth grade things. I'm pretty but lisa's jealous and things atom likes her. Maybe the learn. Valentine's day rate twenty february six nine thousand nine hundred ninety six dear penny. Adam doesn't like lisa. Thank god remember about a month ago i wrote. I think i have mixed feelings. Will they just turned to whole. You're the only one who knows. Gotta go or lisa says it. Gt g. february seven nine ninety-six dear penny. Adam is going to ask me out sunday or monday or wednesday. I wrote about you today. I'm very tired. gt g. february eighth nine hundred ninety six dare penny happy birthday. We let a candle for you. February tenth nineteen ninety-six dear penny sunday school at february nineteen ninety six. I have nothing to write about. Except adam is the hottest man alive. I just got an idea before the rate and stuff. I'm gonna make a wish. Wish i hope. Allie dies february twelfth. Nineteen ninety-six dear penny. Today was great until the end. I told allie that adam likes me and she says to atom. So i hear you're going to ask andrea out. And then when i called her. She denied it jerk. Don't have anything else to say. But i want valentine's day to come rate ten wish. I hope alleys plane crashes february fourteenth nineteen ninety-six dear penny happy valentine's day. Adam gave me a necklace but asked me out. He paid for it with his own money. Rate ten february fifteenth nineteen ninety-six dare penny. He didn't ask me out. But i think he is at the end of school tomorrow. I'm writing a song called. If only i was your girl. Wish i want atom to ask me out february twenty fifth nineteen ninety-six six dear penny. He asked me out last. Friday gems leftover and she called adams house and spoke to michael. Who said does andrea want to go out with. Adam alana's morissette's ironic was playing. So jen says that's our song. Now february twenty seventh nineteen ninety-six dear penny. Today was so embarrassing. At chorus rehearsal. Adam was watching. And i couldn't even look at him. He was also laughing with holly nicole. That makes me sick wish. I'm not shy around atom march. Ten nine hundred ninety six dear penny gen. Save me a seat behind. Adam and embarrassed. Both of us fuck her sometimes. We went to an awesome restaurant. They cook the food right in front of you at the table march. Eleventh nineteen ninety. Six der penny today was so so jen's said atoms thinking of dumping me. But i don't think he can and i hope he cam i saw holly go over to him and pat his back and it made me sick march thirteenth nineteen ninety-six dear penny. The most weirdest thing happened brian. W likes lisa. Adam likes julie. And lisa likes adam be asshole but thank god. He doesn't like her. I'm about to invite atom over to play monopoly on friday. Mom told me to do it. March twentieth nineteen ninety-six. I made a necklace for adam and jen gave him for me and he wore it. I felt really good april tenth. Nineteen ninety-six dear petty. Today it was great. I went over to adam's house. Jen came and his friend seth. I was embarrassed at first. And then i became unin barest. He beat up his brother. A lot and evan pinch jen's but and looked up her skirt he's in the first grade. We played hide and go seek. Then we played monopoly also. I saw his thank you cards and a stack and i was on top rate one million wish. Now i'm not embarrassed in school may second nineteen ninety-six dare penny thirty seven days of school. Left fifty something more days until cam. I had an awesome fantasy about adam today. I can't stop thinking about it. Well i never worked up the courage to actually talk to adam in school but we continue to date throughout fourth grade and then he dumped me unceremoniously in a letter that he sent to me. At camp that said are red violets are blue garbage dumped. And so are you. So i got over. And and while no pack ever replace penny. I now have a sweet cat. Dante hotel all my secrets to thank you. That was andrea mortified about in brooklyn at littlefield. 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And i grew up in salt lake city in a really devout mormon family mother father sister brother so kind of small firm women family kids like tanya abroad up with lots of faith based traditions soon but one such tradition ultimately letter to wonder just how traditional she really wanted to be. They started keeping a journal from the age of ten. At because i felt it was my religious duty. The mormon church encourages its members to keep track of their personal histories for the benefit of their future. Kids and grandkids. So what you're about to. Here are some excerpts from my journal from when i was thirteen to fifteen started in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. You'll notice me struggling to set. What i thought would be a good example at a time in my life when all i really secretly wanted was to get laid or at least be allowed to go out on an actual date november seventh nineteen eighty-seven sometimes. It seems like i just have to tell you things. I can't tell anyone else. I hope this doesn't mean i'm conceited or narcissistic or anything except sometimes it's depressing to me. When i think that nobody is going to appreciate my body until i'm married. Nobody can even look at my body without clothes. On until i'm married and i think it's rather a shame partly because i think i have a pretty nice looking body particularly my breasts all things considered but i can't even get a second opinion until i married. Oh well but getting second opinion. Before i'm married isn't worth the price so i just have to wait and it's terrible having to wait. That's why i kind of wish it was the law to get married when you're fourteen. But that's a stupid daydream. Because if you had to choose really fast and you got stuck with a jerk. Sometimes i hope nobody reads this until i'm dead november eleventh. Sometimes i hope nobody even reads this after i'm dead. I'm supposed to be keeping a journal here. Not a secret diary. This is supposed to be an inspiration for future generations. If i cut out all that stuff about my body and junk people will wonder what was so terrible. And if i don't they'll probably be repulsed like murtha james. Craig and cox my pioneer ancestor. Who burned her journal and wrote a watered-down personal history instead so historical note That particular ancestor was lived in the eighteen. Hundreds when mormons were still practicing polygamy. So you'd better bet. I wanted to read her unexpurgated journal. February twenty third. I was in the waiting room at the dentist. And they're on. The counter was a magazine. Pretty harmless if you only look at the cover right wrong emblazoned on the cover in red. Was this answer. Your sex questions is oral sex right for me. Page to three people who write into magazines with sex questions are mentally imbalanced. In my opinion people who answer them and get the answers published in a trashy. Newspaper are either a sexologists. Be dumb. information is or see gross us all out. Allah jets may fifteenth. There's some girls in the locker room who just swear like crazy. I'll give you an example. But i'm warning you not to read it as it is an rated sentence and i told that little bit she could just fucking kiss off or a fucking sue her cheese sometimes to tell them to tone it down maybe edit their language a bit in other news charles is having trouble understanding that complex word no he keeps embracing me in the hallway. Some guys. I don't care if they hug me. But i i don't think charles means just to be friendly i feel like saying. Get your crummy cotton. Picking hands off me. You slimy scum bucket september twenty. I d- i can't help feeling lonely. It's terrible it always is. I've got to stop writing this stuff. But it seems like you're the only thing person. I don't know that i can talk to about it probably. I'll laugh this off in five years as childish. And i guess that's good. I don't always want to be like this. It gets very frustrating at times. My mother is watching sixteen candles it supposedly because her teacher at the university recommended it for gaining insight on adolescent behavior. I wanted to watch it. This is the tv version where they take out the swear. Words and nudity and stuff. It's edited and mom's still wouldn't let me watch it over second. I wrote something about what. The mormon philosophy expected me to do in my english journal and i talked to my teacher about the grow up get married cetera. Version of the typical lds lifestyle. She said she didn't think i would end up doing that. I was too smart haha. I'm reluctant to be like everyone else. And i hate being a goal. I have to try harder though. I think i've shunned asking god about some of my problems like boys. Because i don't want to hear the answer. I assumed you couldn't like boys and be spiritual at the same time. I kind of had i kind of had a conceptualized image of good girl. Well i can be my own kind of good october. Eighteenth seminary is great brother. Brown is terrific but he always uses me as an example if we could drag tanya probably ten more people will fall by the end of the year if a role model fails. It's a lot easier to justify your own failings at sarah. It makes me feel like such a hypocrite. If they only knew all the things. I do wrong. I have a lot of bad traits. I'm selfish sometimes and a chronic procrastinator. I break promises all the time. Sometimes i forget my prayers i think. Rude thoughts about some people. I'm too sarcastic. And i'm very confused december eleventh. Okay tonya this is it. I will not tolerate this behavior. Any longer it's underlined when your parents say they're afraid they've raised an airhead. There is something wrong. It is time for some action. Positive goal oriented action new year's resolutions in december. I can't wait until new years. My life will fall apart before then. So i'm going to make a whole bunch of one. Raise my grades to be careful with josh relationship. Okay so josh was a junior varsity basketball player. Who i had been talking to on the phone for two weeks. Okay that's it. That's all three practice piano four. Stop lying five. Be more spiritual. These are crucial things. It would be nice to do namely be perfect. You know cleanroom gorgeous hair and body while still being humble four point does stop listening to rock and roll. Maybe get better in gymnastics. Be as good as a concert. Pianist take violin as well. Also take ballet memorize the scriptures. Get eight hundreds on. Sat's be a peacemaker visit the sick and afflicted never never say anything bad about anyone and still remain an interesting person. December thirtieth so december thirtieth was the day. After josh told me that he would not be calling me anymore because he had started talking to another girl who was sixteen and therefore old enough to actually go on dates. Why why does life have to be this way. Why can't i just have it easy like some other people. Why don't things happen the way i want them to. Am i so confused. Life is so frustrating. Why why can't i just wish things and they would happen. Why can't i just snap my fingers. Why isn't there any magic in this world. Why are we doomed to a dull life of numbers and computers and machines and air pollution. Why is everything so cold and unemotional and insensitive. Whatever happened to human intellect. Why why why. Can't i just know these things. Am i just too naive. What's wrong with me. January eighteenth. I think must be boy crazy. It kind of scares me. But i don't wanna give up thinking about them because i like them so much. Maybe blanched from a streetcar named desire has wormed her way into my personality. And and i turned into a nymphomaniac. Maniacs are at least interesting i mean. Wouldn't it just be an enriching experience for all the people who know me to say they'd known a sex maniac actually. I'm just very confused. I don't know what i believe. Even or what i want. If i knew for instance that death was it then i would just be a different person. I'd adopted me first idea and just being info maniac if the fancy struck me you know. Have fun while you can. I don't think i'd do drugs or anything or cigarettes or coffee. But if i had a drink once. I don't think i'd die of remorse. Well you can see what my weaknesses. I sort of liked to entertain the fantasy that me three other girls and four guys were all stranded on a tropical island notice. I have more than just me. And someone because life needs to be interesting we have tons of provisions and the island has lots of food and clean streams and insect repellent. So we can get tam and no heat stroke. We have pots and pans and things to tide us over until we learn to use the natural resources. We know. we won't be rescued for exactly ten years. And then only if there are nine or more people to rescue so you guys are quick quick so is quite okay and we have good instructions on how to deliver babies and we plant rice and watermelon seeds. And don't wear any clothes and build shelters and get ten but never have a really bad storm or anything. Really bad happened there. Tania's idea of utopia. My religion believes that sex before marriage is wrong so i invent impossible ways around it like. There's no way desert island unless someone gets pregnant or it's a law either to have sex or get married before age. Seventeen or something. How totally ridiculous can you get. Of course. I never imagined sex in detail. I just imagine myself in situations where it is not taboo. I have the opportunity with no regrets. And no sin attached. of course. i'm not going to have premarital sex. But i guess deep down. I'm sort of afraid i'll never get married and i'll die before knowing. What the big fuss in a rebellious mood. I told heavenly father. I would just have sex anyway if i weren't married by the age of thirty five. That's not true. Though and less. I knew there was no god in which case i do whatever i pleased. Kind of a hypocritical I'm not usually this agnostic. I promise forgive me will you. Yeah i'm human just like everyone else so just a little postscript so given how anxious i was to get married as a teenager at probably won't surprise anyone to hear that i got married at the age of nineteen to a guy who was an atheist and and and a feminist and who agreed right from the beginning to have an open marriage. So we're still together. And and we live in an eco village along with my other partner. And so so it's really been the best of both worlds because on the one hand i get to have the kind of life i always wanted including two amazing children and getting to can things things and embraer things and like forage and plant rice and watermelon. I'm kidding and on the other hand. I've gotten to have some scandalous adventures so well portland is not a tropical island and has been terrible for my tan. Pretty sure that my thirteen year old self would be thrilled. Thanks that was tanya at a mortified event in portland oregon in keeping with theme traditions. We close today's episode with what we hope becomes a new holiday tradition for you to play at home with loved ones playing our game. I can't believe i did that by the way now available in stores so we invited our two resident experts on untraditional. Traditions has the most unforgettable stories. Which is ironic. Because i've blocked a lot of them out. Jim chris from the mob so hard podcast to share some childhood stories by answering one of the prompts from the game namely one that invites them to share story about a moment from childhood when they were totally gullible. Oh this is all the time for me. I'll believe anything you say to me. I remember one time my cousin. Kurt told me that if you stood in front of the mirror three times and you said let him marry bloody. Mary bloody mary. She would appear which would appear cut off your head and i was hook line and sinker. I would not go in front of a mere for like three weeks. One night i got in my my and i got in front of my mir and i was like mary. Mary bloody mary. And then i hit the ground and a ruled underneath the dresser and i was like i have not coming out so i stayed underneath the dresser and i decided i was not gonna leave so i peed while i was under there and then because i was convinced you just in the reflection waiting for me. She's gonna murder me. I have a moment where i was very gullible. I think it was one of those christmases when i was at my grandparents house in oklahoma. My uncle's thought it would be really hilarious to convince for five year old gen to eat. Some training treats that were for a dog owner. Can they look just like you know the un iced animal cookies and i. I was like half a box in when my mom came in and was like what is going on in here. So she screams at her brothers and you know they apologize to her and to me of course but then for the rest of the trip they were telling me. Oh your coats so shinier so shiny on your jen. Jen later went onto poop in the front yard. She just the lean into the finish. The game and this concludes our look at childhood traditions. And if you'd like to start your own tradition playing our game with loved ones this holiday season you can get it now on amazon powell's books or learn more at get mortified dot com slash. I'm going to play. I can't believe i did that. You know what gen we're gonna play that on trivia night and that's not only new project to check out the season if you're a parent check out our brand new podcast for tweens called who you're in trouble. A show featuring true stories of kids breaking the rules and what they learned in the process from speaking out protesting school sexist dress code. This is the one series you do have to turn off when the kids get in the car and to share the shame follow mortified on facebook instagram or twitter. As many of you know the mortified podcast is a proud member of radio. Tokyo from pure x. And if your company like the sport this podcast we love that. Just email sponsor and radio tokyo dot. Fm to learn more about and kristen's podcasts and webster's books just visit and mom so hard dot com or podcast production team for this episode includes aaron garber hadley jon berg myself. You'll catcher stories were produced for the stage by egan denny. End credit music by snake- snakes. Snakes big thanks to all the dedicated mortified live producers. Especially the amazing alex you. It helped the today show until next time. We remind you that we're freaks. We are fragile. 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Hour 1: NBA Playoffs

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Hour 1: NBA Playoffs

"The Dan Le Batard, Woodstock Gotcha podcast is brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member FDIC? This is the Dan lebatardshow with stugatz podcasts. Fun basketball Weygand. And we've taken STAN Van Gundy out of his normal slot and brought him with us here to a Monday. So we could talk some basketball. The crew was wondering, and we'll get to this in a second weather. We're interrupting stand van Gundy's yard work is this what he would normally do wanna Monday or has it been a long time since STAN Van Gundy did yard work put it up on the pole. Guillermo at lebatardshow has STAN Van Gundy Daunte done yard work in the last twenty years. And I wanted to start there with STAN we'll get to them in a second. But this is what greeted me this morning by way of good morning. Stugatz. Looks up at me and says, Dan. If it's an oral history doesn't it have to be from a long time ago if we're doing an oral history, and then he spits Kawai it was yesterday. Why am I reading an oral history about co is shot from yesterday? So before we can even celebrate the shot at Stu gods is here to criticize the oral history about the shot. Maybe the greatest game winner we've ever seen end Acir at let me be clear. I haven't read anything I ready. Single headline. A brief a mini oral history, of course is series clinching shot. I mean these things as opposed to sit around and marinate for a while. And then maybe a couple of decades from now, we do an oral history. When did we start doing these things less than twenty four hours after the shot? It's crazy. We've also been over this. You cannot read an oral history you can read a written history. An oral history has spoken to you. So saying that you're writing something down, and this is an oral history is dumb. However. An oral history on audio book can be really confusing. Stan what are your thoughts on all this? On all of that as well. Get to get to the shot and everything else in a second like an oral history has to be spoken. Not written. Yeah. But on that audio book, there's just one do doing all the dudes voices. So you're like wait who's talking again? It's very confusing so thrilled it's really not know so Kawai Leonard it is makes the shot. And that is about the most brutal way. I can imagine to lose to watch the ball bounced like that the only other time I remember it. And it was this kind of crushing is when I think STAN was on that staff when the Allan Houston that believed me when that ball bounced in yesterday, and I'm watching that game. That's immediately. What I thought of is Alan Houston his only bounced once but it was enough straight up in the air straight down through. And we ended up losing that game. Yeah. But that wasn't even that wasn't even a walk off though. Because Weatherspoon which I'm sure that wasn't want to play on the same year with whether no. No. Houston ended a series, and they were the eight seed Alan out season. They were the eighth. See they ended up making the finals. But STAN is that the most crushing way to lose? Yeah. And Mike's right though, that Houston's was not a walk off. But nonetheless, it was painful and the one yesterday. Yeah, that's really painful to watch that ball bouncing around in. I can't imagine anything worse than that. It's watching it very slowly your fate. The fact that you're gonna lose watching it almost in slow motion. You could see the Sixers reaction more. They knew that ball was going to get the bounce bounce it. And they're season was over you'd rather that they just go straight to the nets one of those plays though. And STAN help me understand. That's just a great player being greater than what was in front of him because of Philadelphia played at fine. I suppose you could afford him to his left. But I mean, Joel Embiid coming out at you. And being that close to making the block on that shot. That's just being better than Embiid. The final moments. Great player hitting an incredible shock got a great bounce. Yeah. And that's the other part got a great bounce. I mean, look the greatness is to be able to get that shot up on the rim in that situation against him bead to give it a chance, and then you needed the great mounts. Also, so. You know, great skill and and lucked combined, and they get the they get the victory, Mike. Joel Embiid make fun of Rudy Gobert for crying about the all star game. Is that something that that happened? We've got a couple of story lines going on here that are part of that soap opera drama that we like in basketball where CJ McCollum was on. Kevin Durant was on CJ mccullum's podcast. Do you? Remember how uncomfortable that was God's work. Kevin Durant was sort of spitting in the face of CJ McCollum. Hey, you're not as good as we are. I know Draymond green was again that ribbed go bear the worst. Let me see if Embiid sin anything, but get that sound if you don't mind if it if it's been cleared, please of of Kevin Durant. Do you? Remember this stand? Kevin Durant on CJ McCollum podcast and CJ McCollum was talking about how he didn't like what. Kevin Durant had done and Kevin Durant. Nuked him like nuked them on his own podcast like saying. Essentially hit you feel to win feel free to beat us. This is a sneaky cool little rivalry because Lillard and McCullum have not been shy about taken these cracks at the warriors. Basically since Durant got there. So it's really cool the probably going to end up failing. But it'd be really cool story to rehash all the quotes they both. But they both say STAN they've both said that they don't respect the way Durant. Did it right now they have said that they've made that clear and. You know, Lillard has taken the absolute opposite approach not only as he stayed there. And not demanded a trade. He's defended his teammates. He's defended his coaches defended his management. He's one of the guys who was chosen to try to do it right there where he started. And so clearly when you've done it differently than somebody else, you probably do look at that critically. I I don't think either way is is necessarily better than the other. But but if you're Damian Lillard, yeah, you're going to look at it unfavourably yet. I'm guessing they both would have been thrilled if Kevin Durant decided to go to Portland, let's say, well, yes, I mean, but Lillard is said that if he's going to team up with anybody they need to come to Portland. And so that's the way he chooses to do it. I think he wants to be the guy that recruited somebody rather than you know, going in trying to ride somebody's coattails a little bit. Like Dwayne Wade did in Miami. You know, they didn't go to Cleveland, and they didn't go to Toronto those two guys came to Miami. I don't know if you saw the videos to guts of the Golden State Houston game after the game. What Steph curry came off the court yelling? I don't know if you've read this entire storyline. But the part that I found funniest about the story. I'm about to tell you which is Chris Paul evidently before the game because of rules didn't allow a Steph curry to get his shots up took the entire court because he's allowed to do that. And Steph curry thought it was small time. He poked the bear, Dan. That's what my father was saying all day yesterday in a way that made me want to punch him in the head on mother's day. So the bear wasn't sufficiently poked to score a single point in the first half. But in the second half the bear was visionary poked to win the game and and break Houston over his name. And as he's running off of the court through the tunnel. And he does a great job of masking his arrogance in interviews, but you better be that kind of sure of yourself, otherwise you're gonna lose to all the guys who are because if you're if you're not like, you better be, but Steph conceals it well, and he's coming off the court, and he's yelling at Chris Paul kick me off your court again. Boy, he's yelling it and he runs across Draymond green and Draymond green. Who is the face of gurgling arrogance throughout the league is so delighted to see this bit from Steph. And he sorta chases him down the hallway all excited just because Baird his teeth and his arrogance would show so funny so much fun. Steph is so cute. What he does that though. I mean, it helps then he masks and all that and cuteness that's what he does poke the koala bear. So go ahead. Stan what is it that you thought of all that? I didn't really think a whole lot of all that again. You know, if that was such a motivating thing for him. Why does he not score in the first half? You all of a sudden got motivated by at halftime. That's all a bunch of Bs. Look, I've said on your show many times if you want to do any of these make statement things like that. You've gotta say it before the game or I'm not buying it. You gotta say before the game. Chris Paul Ryan me off his court. Now, I'm going to show him. You don't you don't get to play the result. And then this was the statement you were making the Chris Paul. I'm not buying any of it. He played great in the second half. Give him a lot of credit. And that thing before the game had zero to do it STAN has got a case of the Mondays clearly like you just pooped on the end of the segment, we're doing narrative building all the fabled mythology that people love from their sport. And I hate way Donna, why did you put on the end because I hate it. You are a commotion your cynical. Head may be made on your. Stu gods here for Dollar Shave Club, proud member of Dollar Shave Club. How'd you get ready today? 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I want to get to what's to God's just said during the break, which was to raise a sausage finger and say sounds like someone named STAN at needs a lesson on poking the bear will get to that in a second barrel. Aji? So we'll get to that in just a moment. But first from the pull up podcast this is CJ McCollum before the season. He is interviewing Kevin Durant. They are needed knee as they're talking and this gets uncomfortable in the Western Conference. I gotta play you in that first all the time. Anyway, as it is over and over again, we ain't got eliminated by a few times in the first round. So I'm gonna say this. I mean, you know, you you, you know, you got aren't going championship. But we have the the team. Capability. Anything is possible. We can win a championship. But I mean, let's be honest. We can't win the championship. Anything is need. I need more. I mean, I like I like the two I like you to you the hardest. But I mean, we can't be upset about this can't be upset because cousins a free agent, which means he could have he could've Portland his agent and narcos have the same agent. So I'm thinking, okay. You gonna come to whatever. Why are you gotta go there? 'cause. We have it out. I need to know what was going on. I wanted to know why Portland. Br I think that anything is possible. I'm just saying man he's trying to get me in trouble. I'm happy with a great next playing. Well, no way is happening. Y'all ain't gonna be no he's got to have a nice evening and Yang Bill. There's going to be too much of one thing, which is stopped. So what do you suggest house? Gesture just just keep playing man and don't worry about what goes on at the top of things we at the top of things last year. But we just right just slightly below one and two how'd you play unfortunate situation has happened in the first round. How'd you play fortunate circumstances like AC? That is really condescending dismissive literally laughing in his face and eating in his face. Did they do that over dinner? It was there was a lot of chewing. And I was ready to laugh even more at Durant chewing dismissively while talking to C J McCollum until I also heard it appeared that CJ McCollum was also eating now is just rude to the audience. But then the the Golden State Warriors know that they are better than everyone else. They have all of the proof. They think the way Kevin Durant. Just articulated the way that Draymond green carries himself and with what Steph curry did after ending Chris Paul. They know they're better than everybody. You know, there's no question they've proven that. And I mean, that's the only thing that matters. I mean, they got the record toback it up. So other people can think it, but no one else knows it. Those guys have won three championships curry, Draymond green Klay Thompson. So but that performance in game six where that's the most vulnerable that team's been in four years and Steph curry was dying to play in that game. His quote stand before that game about Durant injury were all related to. Hey, I want this opportunity. I'm happy that we're here. Well, there's no question. I mean, look, I think that happens. It doesn't always work out for teams. But I always think there's that feeling when a guy of Durant significance goes down. And the other players wanna prove that look we're good to we're not a one man team. And so I don't think that there's anything unique about Steph curry wanting to be in that situation. You know, I think every player welcomes at just Steph curry has the game to back it up as does Klay Thompson. And as does that entire team. Again, they've got three guys there were major four counting Gwendal, I'm sorry. And Livingston who's no longer a major part. But those guys want to championship before Durant. So of course, they're going to welcome that opportunity stand. You have said a number of times, you don't think the warriors go when the title. You've also said that you think toughest opponent is gonna come out of the east has anything changed. And that remember on is still the biggest threat while I'm guessing get stronger conviction, right because of Durant injury. Well, yeah. But I had that conviction before I mean, Milwaukee, you know, to me by the test by all the numbers by their consistency. I mean, they just look like a championship team to me. They get the job done at both ends at a floor. They have very few holes. They've got depth. Yeah. I just don't. See them failing in this. I I mean, you know, it's rare for a team with their lack of playoff experience. Maybe but they certainly look like a championship team every time. I see. All right, Stu gods. Stan Van Gundy poop again on the end of another segment with I test numbers consistency. Get the job done few holes in depth. Will you please teach him a lesson in poking the bear explained to him? What happened in game six of that the coach understand so staying when you poke the bear the bear wants to do what the bear will always do is he'll repay you what he likes to do is repay you in the most painful of ways. And so when you poke bear like Chris Paul did the Steph curry by not allowing Steph to shoot his Jim Chris Paul showed up puts an extra time in and kick Steph out of the gym what the bear will do is. They'll say, hey, I'm going to get that guy back. But it's not when he thinks I'm going to get it back. I'm not going to get back to the first quarter. I'm knocking. And get back in the second quarter. I going to why the match some of them of non of pain when I repay this person. And that's what happens when you poke a bear. And that's what the bear did on Friday night. He's absolutely right. So when you poke a bear like we're in the wilderness, we poke the bear the bear just walks off initially and weights, and then he comes back later, the bad, really bad. Sure. That's the way. We're now the bear want you to get very comfortable and things. So you think hey, I poke the bear. And that bear ran the way he's not going to get. And then the bear strut bear spends the first half just sort of searching for the cooler wears the food where did you park and then in the fourth quarter of the bear malls, you that's what happens malls, your face donlevatar toward and got selfish and decided to want to go to use the enemy the guy. And I told you when he went there. He's never gonna win a championship. He was more concerned James harden about being the best player on a decent team. Then he wasn't being the third best player on a legendary team. Stugatz. James harden and the beards enough already who's he with a beard. Hey, trying to be different James hard of the beard. It's seriously the beer when I think of James harden, I will think of anything other. I think championships I won't think of winning. I won't think of one of the all time greats. I'll only think of is ridiculous beard hard committed beer, Tribus shaded themselves DC's libertas show with Stu guys on ESPN radio. I wonder how the country of sports fans fields about what I'm about to say. Which is that. I'd be fine. If the Golden State Warriors had lost and the underdog had beaten, the Golden State Warriors. I think I'd be fine. If that happened with Portland, but I was done with Houston. I didn't I was running for the Golden State Warriors to get the Houston Rockets out of my life. I don't want to watch them play basketball anymore. Enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. You're not alone. I mean stands with you on both the weird thing. Right. Because this is Golden State teams, not particularly likable. They're vulnerable. You seeing dynasty toppled is the region you tune in sometimes to see Bella check and Sabin. Right. And yet still I did not want Houston to advance in that series of the rockets are annoying their style ply from their best player. Annoys a lot of people. The audits James harden after the series saying he knows exactly how to beat Golden State after losing to Golden State or second consecutive season. There are they happening. They have all the answers, and they have none of them. They're annoying. I was surprised to hear you say those stand even as you've been critical of that style of play surprised to hear you say that you were with me on that. Yeah. I just didn't wanna watch it anymore. Look, I'm not critical in this sense. They're doing what they think gives them the best chance to win which is what they should be doing. They've been very successful with it. They don't have a lot of great Dell. Around James harden. And so they're going to ride him and they're gonna play that pick and roll isolation game James Harden's going to dribble the ball fifteen twenty times every possession. And I admire what they've done in terms of winning. I've been I admire what might dantonio done in terms of changing the way he always liked to play. But I don't like watching it. I think it is boring basketball to watch. And I'm with you. I didn't want to see another series of watching a guy come down and dribble. The ball between his legs ten to twelve times. And then make a move. I mean, I could admire his greatness and still eat watching. I have a quick basketball question for you before I go to Billy on an important story here. You've got one player you can take one player. I pick of everyone remaining for the remainder of the playoffs. But only one who is. Your first pick just for the games remaining this season, not to build a team your first pick, STAN Van Gundy. Wow. That's a really tough question. And you're gonna leave out good players. But you know, I know I can't equivocate here because I'll get destroyed. So I'll take quiet Leonard over Jaanus. Wow. It was a tough one over Jaanus over Steph curry who, you know. I mean, you're saying over Damian Lillard saying Kawhi Leonard is the best basketball player on earth. He's a two way player. He can get. I don't think that was the question. So that's not what that is. What you're saying? What are you saying if you're saying first of all your limiting now to the players that are still going? So Durant is sort of out right now. And then it's it's really really close. But I look here's what I think in the playoffs were watching it. What it coming down to allot is guys can get their own shot and make that shot. I mean, the threes have not been as efficient or as accurate as what we've seen during the regular season in these guys that can just go get shots on their own. That's not Janas. He's got to get to the rim or make plays to others. And Steph curry is very very good. But I'll take a y over them as as one player right now. Even though I've got Milwaukee to win it. I'll take CJ McCollum. Yeah. You Stu gods? I love it. I mean, you always can go back right to the last thing you've seen the last thing. I saw was why there's earning an oral history about. The way back actually you went. I did for me that is way. But I went to the game before I don't think CJ McCullum got spent the entire brea cursing himself because he didn't say say bear metric. On poking the bear he spent the entire sector pursing and himself gear. Mo the mass singer is now because they saw that it had pop culture stickiness, and it became one of those shows the massing or is now throwing a lot of money and resources. Just sorry to interrupt. It was more than a show, Dan. It was a phenomenon doing take it from here. Start interrupt. Well, you know, it's gone on. It was renewed for third season, which is incredible. Since the second season hasn't even happened yet. And they put it in its rightful place after the Super Bowl. So the Super Bowl will be the opening actresses in Massingir Super Bowl will be Miami this year, you know, the thing about shows after the Super Bowl that really grinds. My gears is the Super Bowl goes on way too long and the post game stuff way too long, and it's on FOX. So we're going to have who'd like Terry Bradshaw. I was going to be out there interviewing the MVP or whatever random person, they can grab and it's going to be like Terry Lewis, and we need you to shut up. So that we can get the season through the mass singer. So I'm excited about it. As long as the soup. Doesn't go on too long. God forbid, we have an overtime game. Oh my God. A Super Bowl needs to be earlier in the day. Well, it needs to be Saturday. I got a bunch of time. But we don't need to get into that today. That's neither here nor there. But if they could start a little bit earlier, it'd be nice because nobody has an hour after the Super Bowl to watch a show on the east coast the game and the coverage ends I like ten thirty. We're going to be playing at eleven o'clock at night. How am I gonna catch? The local news that's going to be interrupted for the mass singer. What was the question? Donlevatar? Stugatz fashion. Liveth our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. I mean, I'll hasn't wants to correct something from earlier in the show. But before we do that, please. Are you guys interested in the French call courtesy of our D S and Canada, the French call of the Kawai Leonard buzzer, beater, we? Grassi's think it's mayor, Steve, isn't it way? So that is the French call we are awaiting clearance on the Korean call. But I mean L has has corrections to make he's not happy with our sloppy faxing earlier in the show. So what what did we get wrong? I mean, so everyone kind of went wild with the Steph curry got kicked off the court story. And that's why you don't put the bear. And all that. And it turned out there. Some growth kind of liberties taken by the warriors and telling stories according to Houston chronicle and Irv Roland who's innocent coach with a rocket first of all happened before game four not before game six take the ball. They didn't take them off the court. They showed up, and they asked how much longer he's going to be shooting for because Chris was gonna work with Irv. And then harden was coming later to work with urban. So they want Har come over to early and have to wait for somebody else can work out. So they just ask how much longer does he have? And Chris also said let them finish let him shoot. It's all right. It's not like we're doing drills or anything. And so what seems like a very they even said that Stephan Chris had a little interaction where they kind of joked and and made some pleasantries, small talk. So it seems like very innocent interacting habit for game. Four by game six turned into valley. Call much like, Michael, Jordan or shack kind of have done their career. I mean, why do you have to ruin the story? I'm sorry. Thank you mean. Thank you. I really appreciate. Anything else? I mean, you wanna do to just completely suck the fun out of everything just any any little bit more. You wanna suck the fun out of? Yeah. Go L be crying. I thought a lot of people reacted. So a love a man who can cry public and all I could think of get a towel. But it over your head. Do what everybody else does what's that about? I stand. Why are you loving Amine today? I just you know, let's just stick to the games. And all these other ridiculous side stories. Just not interesting to me. It was more interesting. When you know, the original way that it was told by Chris Paul and Steph curry, I mean, that was that was the words story has ruined it. I mean, I don't want the truth. I want interested game and say within the ridiculous sites. Always how else am I gonna get invested in this blazers warriors series? If not for all the nonsense and the quotes that they've had throughout the years. You actually think I wanna talk myself into them thinking they have a chance. What about having the two best backwards in league plan against each? I want to divers bad guy. I want them to talk about how much I don't like each other. I like to think there is some of that in this series, plus for Damian Lillard, it's a homecoming. You know, he's playing there in Oakland where he's from. And I think there is some bad blood like you guys brought up before. We might not have as much hugging and kissing as we did after the after the Toronto Philadelphia game yesterday where there were more hugs than there are family reunion. You know, I think the bad blood will carry. I like to imagine that CPI threes at the movies watching avengers. He's got his popcorn. And he's got his coke slushy. And then it gets Tex Steph curry wants to use the arena says, Nope, any leaves the movie and Tex. Nope, I'm on my way. And then he shows up. He's like get off my court is my core. Someone's actually, hey Steph is shooting in our gym. And he responds not for long, right or something like that. I mean. Geez. A mean do a main ruined? Thank you mean. For stopping by. Appreciate STAN appreciate your have high definitely appreciated terrible ally for you to have because he hates t-shirt cannons. He hates halftime ceremonies. He hates anything other than the echoing dribble. Vet basketball any hates the rocket. In fact, stand does have the Mondays right? We find out whether he does lawn work on once last time. You did lawn words stand. Let's see I would have been at Wisconsin. So probably in like ninety three used to mow my own lawn. About right. The rockets usually that's a loss that will just make team realize. We're simply not good enough. This isn't going anywhere Pacers ran into it. So many times after being after losing to the Miami Heat that they realize we just have to go into another direction. Both rockets they may have to actually keep this thing together in might in. What might be the worst incarnation of them after all these years simply because to rent might leave. Yeah. I think they will keep it together. Look, I think Daryl Maury though will be out there. He'll be very active you'll be looking to make trades, but they're certainly not going to rebuild or anything like that. And now, they're they're going to keep going after it. They're going to keep knocking on the door. And I think you know, you heard from their owner yesterday and Daryl Morey they're gonna keep going after it. And they think eventually they'll get that you mentioned their owner, and what he had to say let's play for the audience very upset. Right now. They kicked our home court. They beat us by ten points in the fourth quarter. Stunning -ceptable we have to be better. And I know that we're gonna rise Cajun and our time's going to come. You know, James is thirty years old Michael didn't win his first championship thirty came in. When his championship of thirty. I promise you we're gonna win some championships. James, okay. Because we're not gonna sit here. We will go to battle every year. We're going to have a strong off season. And we're gonna do whatever we can do to be better team. Okay. We are not going to sit on our hands. I can promise you that. Dude. Sounds like Texas. What is Telman for Titas name? What is what is his backstory? He's not one of the for Tita brothers. He's not a along lost for Tita brother from from MA and casino. Does he have more Texas than Jerry Jones? I mean, they both sound. What is this guy's backstory? What do you know about some sort of financial sprinting guy put a lot of money into the university of Houston's program? Also in their new arena. He's been a big help to them and you'll find this very interesting. And this is a great human interest stories, but his his son went to went to school went to high school with my niece with Jeff's daughter, not a great story. Great story. Connect with interest story connection, even an interest or for Titas actually is actually the third cousin of former UFC owners Lorenzo and Frank I need more for Titas with my sports. They settle their disputes by fighting when they disagree about something. They go into going to the acting on STAN real quick, ten seconds left. Did you turn down the Lakers job several times? That was a matter of fact when they decided they had. 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"Crip Camp" Directors on the Overlooked Disability Rights Movement

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"Crip Camp" Directors on the Overlooked Disability Rights Movement

"From the C. L. U., this is at liberty a podcast about the civil rights and civil liberties, questions of our time. I'm Molly Kaplan. Your host for this episode. Delight. Twenty six marked the thirtieth anniversary of the Americans with disabilities act or the the eighty as a federal law that requires businesses, employers, public facilities, schools, and transportation agencies to make accommodations for disabled people. When President George H, W Bush signed into law nineteen, ninety. It was one of the most comprehensive pieces of civil rights legislation in American history. But. The disability rights movement didn't begin or end with the ADA in spite of the laws. Existence Americans with disability, still face discrimination and other barriers to equal rights and opportunities today, even though nearly fifty percent of Americans live with at least one disability few know the history of the fight for disability rights with Crip camp new documentary on netflix filmmakers, Jim Lebrecht, and Nicole newnham fill in some of that history through the personal and political stories that started the rise of a movement. They join us to talk about the film and the movement. It portrays Jim Nicole welcome to at liberty thank you. Creek tells the story of very special summer camp named Camp Genetic. It's a summer camp that was four disabled teams where Jim, you're actually a camper. Some context about why camp genetic was so special and what life was like for teenagers with disabilities in the seventies sort of writ large with that background was well, those questions are absolutely very much intertwined. I think that I was fifteen during the time that were at the camp in the film. This is before there were pets. This is before there is any kind of handicapped parking. This is before any connor protections for civil rights and in fact. For Myself, I was very, very lucky that I was in public school. I was an experiment in my school district from the middle of first grade. And really at any point, someone could have said, this isn't worth and I would have been cadet a public school. Without hanging over my head plus the fact that a number of the schools I went to were not wheelchair accessible. So I was literally climbing up downstairs. I remember going to the library with my classmates and they would carry my chair for me. You know fortunately, I was very agile and on my arm so I could handle this. So given that when you go to summer cabin especially captured ned, which really was a wheeling, cut a place don that we were like all endanger of these wacky hippies were counselors, but that other camps I gone to a lot of other people have gone to were very. Rigid, and really kind of infantilized Louis had a good bed by eight or eight thirty. When I heard about camp genetic, I. Hear you know. Yeah. You sleep in a bunk when the counselors music playing all the time and we stay up late and. There was talk that may be I duNNo. imbibing some illegal substances with your counselors and. I will say that wasn't very very rampant camp but. The time of the early seventies was a time where all of us of our age were looking at tearing apart the status quo. And give lack power. You had somebody other movements going on and people like judy human till you. Of the film. Really raised our awareness that we should be part of we need civil rights. We need our own civil rights, we need to be able to get on buses and trains. Couldn't do that. So for me being of the camp, not only was it freedom. And the kind of freedom that any fifteen year old would love to have. At any summer. But that it was no weakening. Of being around other people with disabilities. Some. Lot of the counselors and disabilities. And that I was seen people who had lives. who were doing things? We're going to college who had families and it really sparked something within me. And did you know while you were there that it was a story to be told that there was a story to be told I, mean, obviously, there was a crew filming you and the other people at the camp for a period of time in, you made great use of that footage. But did you have a sense of that? There was something special going on here? I don't think at the age of fifteen I did everything in your life is new. Right. So you don't really quite know what is kind of special. I will say that the kind of person I am I'm really into audio equipment anything that had the word Sony on IT I. Let me touch it and play around with it right? If it was in radio or cameras. and. So when these people showed up in, camp. I was really interested in what they were doing there. Her a couple of people with couple of portable video rigs. But we were hanging out, they came to our Little Drama Camera Club at Camp, like one of the first days and. They wound up saying, let's do a tour of the camp. And they strap the tape deck to the handlebars among wheelchair, handed me the camera and somebody pushed me around camp. So I cut his show people. But you know sense of that. This place was important or anything else. But. In reality. A As as the coal pointed out to me Jim, you've been making this film for almost fifty years though. And, Nicole for you. How did you meet him? How did you get involved with this film? You're an award winning documentary filmmaker. Already, you have a lot of films under your belt. How did this one come about? Well Jim has been sound mixer and sound designer that I've chosen on my three previous documentaries, and we both live in the east, Bay and California, and we in over the course of many years of working together and within a small documentary filmmaking community, we became friends and over the years, Jim started talking to me when I would come in to work on another project. Project with him about his increasing frustration about the lack of representation of stories around disability or people with disabilities in the media, and also about the lack of access for filmmakers with disabilities within our industry. I had never thought first of all about disability as being an important part of diversity. I really didn't know there was a disability community culture the way that. That there is all of these things were very powerful ways that talking with Jim shifted my own perception of the world and the way that I came to see disability as being such an important part of it, and so when he eventually came to me and said, listen I think you're a great filmmaker. Here's a few ideas I have around films with disabilities. Disabilities, I'd like to see. Maybe you'd like to direct one. I was really interested to talk to him, but it was sort of an off handed comment that he made at the end of a meeting like that where he said, but you know what I've realized wanted to see the film about by summer camp, but I don't know and I said, wait what? Tell me about that camp, and so he starts telling me about Camp Jeanette and the stories he started telling me just the pictures he was painting in my head were images that I thought Oh. That's something that could really shift the way people see things that could really help people kind of. In an enjoyable and entertaining way. Come to see the world a little bit more like the way. Jim. has made me see it, and of course, it was the tip of the iceberg for me in terms of my own knowledge and awareness. But I just thought it sounded so fun and then. I. Was already sort of hooked. But then he said you know I have this theory that there was something about the camp that sparked the movement that came later, and a lot of my films have been about history and about social justice, and so the idea of tying those two things together, being able to shift the way people see the world and then take them on a ride through one of the greatest civil rights stories of American history that too many people don't know was very enticing, but the more, i. I reflected on it. I realized what was really unique and special was the opportunity to tell that story from Jim's point of view and from the inside out. So eventually, I said to Jim about a couple of weeks after we started talking about it, I said you know, I, really do want to do this, but I, would like you to co-director with me and that started the partnership. It's amazing over the course of making the film. Do you feel like what you understood about people with disabilities changed or evolved? Oh. Yes. Hugely I mean a lot of. The film are carefully constructed to make the non-disabled viewer. Confront Their own bias, and I would say that I was doing that throughout the process of making a film things like that seem that is so moving in the film where Nancy Rosenbloom. One of the campers is trying to speak and she has a very severe speech impediment and everyone gives her so much space and time to get her words out and people listen to her. You know. So gracefully and I like the audience when I saw that I thought Oh my. My God, why don't we give people a chance to talk. Why don't we assume that everyone has something worth saying you know it was a very moving life altering experience for me all the way around and and a guest really guests to kind of become a part of the community that Jim has been lucky to be part of in Berkeley and to have my worldview expanded in the way that I hope I hope the film does a little bit for other people. A lot of the times stories about disability or cast as being very nation. This is an issue that comes up in documentary filmmaking with other issues too. But you had some pretty big support on your side, most notably the OBAMAS production company higher ground sign on to executive produce. The film was the film hard to sell when you were in the pitch phase 'em. Sometimes when there's a lack of representation of any specific group of people, there's all this pressure for worked perform well, and it's the film has done really well, but before. Before. You knew that it was going to do. Well, did you feel an extra pressure for it to do? Well, because it was sort of like maybe a litmus test for films about disability rights, I imagine that maybe those behind black? Panther, or crazy rotations might develop similar pressure and I'm curious whether or not. You felt that pressure Nicole, I'll start with you. I mean, yes, very much. So and you know when we first started talking about the film to people, we really did meet resistance and the first time we showed people that. That scene of the kids around the table people were like I don't think an audience is going to be able to sit through that and we just became very determined. But if we do this the right way we bring people along for the journey, they understand how fun and amazing in liberating and cool the community in the campus, and then they're going to be along for that ride and they're going to be open to it, but it was hard until we got the footage and we started cutting things together and we kind of. Of created the language of the film and we had this amazing trailer. That's what started attracting interest, and then it kind of became like well, yeah, this is a no brainer. Of course, we want this film, it's going to be really important and high profile people started to get involved in the pressure really ramped up, and then I think we started to feel an enormous amount of pressure because we could really feel that the community was watching this and it's not just a film about disability. It's a film about the communities. Story know. Our impact producer Andrea von said this is our freedom story. So you don't WanNa get that wrong and on the other hand disability is so diverse and there's so many different perspectives in so many points of view and we were intentionally choosing the tell you know this big sweeping history from the perspective of a handful of a motley crue friends from a ramshackle summer camp. So and those people don't represent all disabilities are all the diversity or all the perspectives that people are coming from this. A target on my back, just knowing that. Really that we are really telling some history and that. You know I am the person with the disability. Part of this also is showing cuts to people within the disabled community. We got valuable feedback. From, doing a special screening and to earlier point, Jim you had this inkling that there was a connection between campaign Ed and what would later come Ada passing. Can you describe? Can you walk us through that connection a little bit how what started campaign Ed became a ceding ground for what would eventually become a disability rights movement. But one of the first things is that look there was this exodus of people from New York out to Berkeley. Why. Do these people do this? What was involved with that? And that I said that alone is really really kind of meaty subject and as you start peeling back the onion here. Well, it's because judy human and moved out to Berkeley, and we all knew her from camp and she kind of let us know there is an incredible community in Berkeley and you know if the deal with the snow of New York and it's relatively flat and their support services here where we can help you find a place to live in personal care attendants in such. So. The. Rights movement and the Independent. Living. Movement are kind of your intermeshed with each other. Who is judy human judy human is probably one of the better known. Leaders of the disability rights movement and really from very very early age she has been a leader shoes or the founders of disabled imagine in New York. She's one of the leaders of the protests in San Francisco, the five. Oh. Four sit in and. As really been recognized for her. More than fifty years of. Work. Nationally and internationally. When it comes to the rights of people with disabilities. One of the first things that as we see in the film that was really. Very important issue for people in just ability rights was getting people out of institutions. and. So it's not a far leap to say, Gee, if you're living in the home light, these Jacobson was in new. York, and she couldn't get out of her house herself. that. Enable people to live independently was a huge goal of all of us so. That was the inkling, and in reality you know there were certain other parts of the country that we're getting politically active, the Berkeley was. It was like the capital live disability up at at the time. And that sort of movement to be able to live independently have some privacy have job opportunities. How did that ultimately leave to the five or four sit ins and then the passing? So. The Vatican matter is that the disability add to have been signed. These regulations has not been. Issued and the Rehab that basically said you know if and what we were fighting for was that if you received any federal money. That, you had to be accessible to people with disabilities, you could not discriminate. An after a number of years of this, just not being taken up by administration's Jimmy Carter ran on the fact that he was going to get these regulations the issued. Any didn't jump on it and a incredibly well organized group of Disabled People. Basically said you've got like two months to three months to get this done. Otherwise, there's going to be nationwide demonstrations. This is before the Internet. This is. Everybody's doing this by phone calls let alone being able to get places without accessible transportation. I also wanted to ask our producer Kendall. You you've made her earlier identifies as disabled and she said washing the documentary was. For her that. Helen Keller, was her only example of someone growing up with disabilities to look up to and I wonder if either of you thought about how the film was being received, a would be received by the young Jim Lob. BREX. Your we did. I mean, we did. You know I mean partially because the I mean I think that was one of the first things you said to me gem an academic in England and judy connected us to said if you don't know your history, how have a future you know and it was so deeply disturbing actually to me the more I got to know the history. To see the extent to which it's been neglected and forgotten, and we had a very powerful moment at Sundance where the audience was overwhelmingly saying to judy and the theater. Why didn't we know the story? Why didn't we know the story and she said you're a bunch of media people and you're all well educated, and why don't you ask yourself that question? You know I think maybe you just didn't WanNa, see it. So I mean that's one of the things that I feel. Very, glad about is just to see this history brought a little bit more into kind of mainstream consciousness where it can reach people who really need to hear it, which is really everybody. But we found archive that had been kind of you know shoved boxes that my berries had never bothered to itemize or catalogs. So it took us like a year and a half to get the access to even be able to look at it or film reels that hadn't been printed and I think that kind of is. is like a metaphor really for sort of how philanthropy and academia and society in general has sort of sidelined disability culture and history, and you can see that strides are being made, but there's still a long way to go and I think it's GonNa take a lot more films and a lot more work than just rip camp to give this history, its rightful place so that all young kids will grow up knowing these stories and all of them can be inspired by them and see their futures in them. You had a lot of history to include in a fairly short film at amidst sort of drawing those lines from point to point along the disability rights movement. You also give a fair amount of space to teenage sexuality. There are scenes, the camp talking about crabs, and like the amazing make out sessions that were going on in the dining hall. Why did you make that decision to give that some room in the film? Just point out. I think it was only me and Nancy. They were making out in the dining hall. Everybody was talking about crabs. Yeah, right. But there wasn't like orgies right after. That is true. They're only party called the Roman orgy which got cancelled because of the crabs epidemic. So you know. Jim. Chris. Everybody. Dressed up. You know like in bed sheets and you know we had these wonderful of things that somebody was the king in any way. We played a lot. It was really a blast, but to answer your question. How. Do we proceed people with disabilities? We don't perceive them as being sexual beings. That, we are a sexual or that we're not. Interested or that we are incapable. Or that were not looked upon as being desirable. And in reality. Well. First off where do we get that message and we talk about media representation until the cows come home. But this is so far from the truth. And myself as we talk about the the film in, Denise, talked about it. I mean my God. We all have desires for love and affection than sex in adventure in our lives. and. Just because you have a disability, doesn't mean that that's out the window. If anything it's liberation. Deal Jacobson, kind of taught about being able to really get a sense that they were wonderful things about his body. For me as somebody WHO's a wheelchair user? I remember having to deal with when I was younger. When I was dating. That, I was really aware of this thing that people weren't even thinking about me as somebody who date because they didn't think that I was either capable or just insects and one interesting point that I was. So glad you included in the film was that this is also has huge medical implications I. Think it was denise talked about how her appendix was removed because she had a stomach ache and she had a venereal disease and the doctor by her. I. Didn't even consider that she might have been sexually active and that could have been. The. Cause of her symptoms and so to me, this is about expression also representation, but also about getting educated real fast because there are some very serious consequences to not being aware the stories that people share around the horrors of of medical care and how. ABLE ISM IS RAMPANT And you would think you know people go to medical school. They're used to dealing with people, all different types of situations and. It's not the case as the somebody was disability if you find a doctor. That actually wants to work with you. That understands that you know your body really well. And that they're open to you teaching them. About Your Lips Burns your body, it's very rare, and basically you latch onto that dodger and wanted to live a very, very long life. I WANNA, turn. You've mentioned that the thirtieth anniversary of the ADA. The, Ada. For all of its limitations had a huge impact on for one making education more accessible, opening up employment opportunities. I'm wondering if you think this opening has had an impact on how people see disabled people. You. No. I think that part of the law is kind of enabled. More people to be out in society and having jobs and being able to go places in by virtue of just being out in the world and. Interacting with people. There's some real positives there. But I think that there's plenty of people do think the ADA is a bad law. that. It's too expensive that they don't see the reason why they have to make their place accessible. And that there's a certain amount of maybe even. Cut A backlash against it. So. But as denise, Jacobson says at the end of our film. You can create a law society's attitudes changed. It really doesn't amount to very, very much. So I think what's really fortunate for Nicole. Nine, fell. Is that we're starting harbor stations with a severe seen this film. Hopefully, you're questioning your preconceived notions. And the you're watching it with friends or your recommending to people. So that, you can really talk about. Your feelings around disability. Nicole I'm wondering from all the you've learned making this film. What is your sense of? WHAT COMES AFTER ADA? What is the next step? How do we give the more teeth? How do we address some of its shortcomings? Well, there are so many things that still need to change, and then there's the constant constant work required to keep the gains that were one from slipping away. We show that in the film, I mean, even just the sort of trying to keep the final four alive is a constant battle and was all the way up to the ADA. We faced many many obstacles in the activity of trying. Trying to bring this film to life that could be addressed through policy. So for example, if we're taking a trip to London to go show the film in a film festival, pre pandemic, there's the bathrooms in the airplanes aren't accessible that was something that was left out of the ADA. I mean, that's nuts and also like people can't take their own wheelchairs on the plane with them, which would be technically completely possible to do right just to bolt people's own wheelchairs down the plane, but instead they have to transfer to this. Aisle Chair, which is very uncomfortable and undignified for many people may have to be carried back onto the plane. The wheelchairs are very very frequently damaged. You know to the extent that when we brought people to Sundance from the film, for example, we had to have a crew wheelchair a pair people on site to like fix people's chairs because they frequently get. Get damaged during travel I think healthcare is probably one of the biggest. You know the continuing fight for support so that people can live not in nursing homes, Beckett health care in the home I mean even just something as simple as Jim's own wheelchair. Repair costs aren't covered by his healthcare plan, which is a very good health care plan you know. So who's making those decisions? So it is a little bit overwhelming, actually all the things that need to change and I agree with Jim, I feel. What we've really been thinking about is just the intersection between kind of media and awareness breaking down preconceived ideas through storytelling and activism and legislation. Most three things. All really need to happen, and there needs to be aggressive work on all those fronts together. I'm curious you said the word intersection that it made me think of intersection -ality and I thought one of the most poignant moments in the film was during the five Oh four in. You know it was sitting that lasted days and days, and one of the things that was needed to keep people there was food and members of the Black Panther Party supplied food dinner, and then breakfast in the morning. And, I actually want to play a clip where that's discussed. Panthers would bring a hot meal for dinner and then they would leave food for breakfast and lunch. For nothing no money. No nothing. I ended up. You know after the meeting I. said to this Guy Is I. Don't get it. Near, the Black Panther Party and you don't have a ton of resources. You know they had a food kitchen in Oakland. Why are you choosing to feed us? He said to me, you know you are trying to make the world a better place, and that's what we are about. We are about making the world a better place for everybody. So if you're going to go to the trouble to stay here and sleep on this floor, we're gonNA, make sure you get fed. That's how we survived. Curious? How intersection -ality? There are multiple movements happening during the civil rights movement played a part into getting the DA. The first of just the support that everybody that was inside that building. Received with some. Really. Good outreach that was natural to what people like Judy, human and Kitty Cohen other people were doing that organized the bay area, the protest, and that we were showing up for other rallies. Reaching out and trying to. Be Supportive of other movements and when our time came. People came in helped us and I. think that was that was really really really key, and then we can see that in the film, how important that was. And let this need for first of the intersection -ality that we all talk about is just as important today and just as active today, there is a. You know. Movement of black. Disabled lives, matter? Also. Some people doing some really, really great work. Around. This because. Many of the people that have been subjected to police violence are people with disabilities. And just to clarify in many different forms. One of the most prevalent is the deaf and hard of hearing community is that what you're thinking of usually instruction from the police can't be heard or understood and ways of sort of indicating that they are deaf or hard of hearing are not communicated misunderstood by the police and that can lead to shootings. Mental health you have not been able to comply, but mental health is a huge debt. And the umbrella of our community is very, very white. and. So much of it is either people who are maybe autistic or like you remission deaf, have you heard some people say that the disability rights movement is very white and very straight or very serious. Do you think that that is true and do you think that that could affect the next steps for the disability rights movement well is very true, and this is the reason that the disability justice movement started. And disability justice is really about looking at disability through a non white. Non, Straits. Lens. We have an incredible impact campaign if I could save that without sounding like being boastful please I was gonna ask well our impact campaign. We brought on to people who were very much involved. In, that movement Stacey Part Vernon Andrea Levant and said here, greatness for us and we have a budget. Here's your budget and and really go and it has been very rewarding. To, really a see what has been developed that really brings out voices and instruments that are really important. To people of Color, I think one of the beautiful precepts of disability justice is that leadership of the most marginalized is GonNa create the most powerful activism, and we've really found that to be true, and so we have a sixteen a week, every Sunday virtual crip camp experience that's being led by young leaders mostly of color from the Disability Justice Movement, and it's kind of movement capacity building and community strengthening, and kind of community experience, and this was all developed kind of very quickly and very brilliantly. Brilliantly in the aftermath of the pandemic, originally, our own idea for the impact campaign was much more kind of traditional. You know community screenings in this kind of thing, but Stacey and Andrea. When everything shutdown said Oh this just gives us the opportunity to reach more people in a virtual environment and they knew exactly what to do and it's become i. think an incredible example of how you can continue to build a movement in this environment and it's been interesting as we've gotten a couple of emails from. Folks, who are white disabled people's coming online and seeing all the seminars are taught from the perspective pretty much all of them of people of Color and saying, is this a space that it's okay for me to be in, you know and we're saying, yes, it's for everyone. It's just that traditionally often those teachings and perspectives haven't been centered and it's been really powerful to see that and working with the archival footage that we had access to. You know the microphones in the news settings when actions were happening in the seventies, there were people of Color. Color there. But they weren't necessarily the people who the microphone was being passed to. So we had limited ability to showcase that in some ways, one of our intentions was to sort of take what was powerful out of the history of the seventies, but bring it into this moment where there's so much opportunity now to center diverse voices and shift the leadership and not something I think that we feel really passionately around advocacy and media and policy is just trying to make sure that multiple marginalized people are at the table in a meaningful way. And speaking of the next generation. E July is disability pride month, and a recent article in the Times New York Times calls today's young activists, the generation that they sort of grew up after the ADA. And therefore feel entitled to certain rights. Do you think that's right and is there a difference between the generation of CRIP camp entities? Young people who've been able to grow up in the wake of the ADA winner? At Sundance, this of family came up to me and said, you know might kids part of the five, zero, four generation? Because, they had so much support William, their education. There was a direct result of those regulations. What I really enjoy is that the current generation of activists? Are just like these people are film. From nineteen seventy seven and thirty years ago. They're young. They're fighting. They're incredibly motivated. Enter really out there making changes. Do, you have any words of wisdom for them? I almost feel like I, don't have the right to give them wisdom because I really hold them at such high regards I. Think one of the lessons have you know see often says if you have kind of a Paraphrase of meat personality, YOU'RE NOT GONNA make it in this world. Judy says I want to see a feisty group of disabled people out there and that things aren't going to be handed to you and our dear friend stacy that we've been talking about too is no longer with us. One of the things that she said was. No one's coming to help us. We have to help ourselves. And I, think that a lot of is hold that in our hearts. And that don't take no for an answer. And when someone says, no, you say why and you don't buy into it. Tim Nicole. Thank you so much for this film and thank you so much for being with us. Thank you to. It's really. Great, to be with you. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening to support the ACLU disability rights work, you can donate at www dot aclu, dot org slash liberty until next week. Stay strong.

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 Adam Rutherford on how to tackle racist pseudoscience - books podcast

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Adam Rutherford on how to tackle racist pseudoscience - books podcast

"The Guardian Hello and welcome to the Guardian books. podcast with me Clar- armistead admittedly this week. Talking to Adam Rutherford about his. Take down at the pseudoscience behind race. How to argue with the racist plus? We'll be talking about whether writers ever really retire but First Adam. Rutherford is a scientist and broadcaster whose first book creation dealt with the origin and future of life. No less now. He's moved on to tackle one of the most contentious issues of our time when he came into the studio he started by explaining. Why after all all these years? We still need to challenge ancient prejudices masquerading as fact. Well I wanted to start by saying it's kind of extraordinary to be sitting here in two thousand twenty needing reading a book making the case. There is no scientific basis that racism. Why did you feel that you really had to write this book now has has the Science Changed Society? Yeah I did a lecture as last year in which that was basically my opening line that I'm delighted to be in front of you and I'm really proud of the book and I've really enjoyed. I'm not sure it's quite the right word. I Ah I have written in and enjoy writing and yet this is a book that well why does exist so one of the things I talked about at the beginning is is that very well. It's been a massive change in political landscape in the last few years rise of nationalism. And so on this. There is a measurable rable increase in the vocalist of racism in in the public discourse which has been enabled by social media to a certain extent. And then you've got an unequivocal rise or increase in understanding of genetics which is which is a subject which has an inherent and intrinsic route with scientific racism and also eugenics which is a different but related concept as a public communicator of science and a geneticist the conversations. We're having within the academy. We're not the same compensations that were happening beginning to emerge in in public life. Not that is a failing of the academy to convey accurately what the science says. He's about race so with those all of those sort of parallel lines of a changing landscape beginning to merge the this team mm-hmm. Unfortunately this book is I think easiness at here we are. Yeah Yeah for sure I mean I. Is it just that genetics is hard. I mean it's hard enough. That people can misrepresent the results in the knowledge the the only experts can tell them they're wrong and also complicated enough that there are ways of picking and choosing so you can get something that's actually quite dodgy. Nobody might be able to tell us. They weren't expert. Ah Y'all just need to get better doing science. Well that is definitely part of the problem and this is obviously a complex tapestry. Jig Or of Y as you say this book is is is a necessity in two thousand twenty. The the genetic soon sending the genome in Las Twentieth has just exploded in a way that the geneticist find hard to keep up so as a sort of a public face of genetics. This is something that is part of my of my purview. United in my will. I mean there's just some worked through here. Well yeah but this stuff is ridiculously complicated. And so the human genome is the most complicated data set we've ever encountered and you couple that with human history which is not necessarily straightforward. I one of the things I've always said is all my work is how we now capable of using the genome is is a historical source so there are lots of questions that we couldn't answer before about the history of evolution of us as a people that all beginning to emerge with on you found and understanding of genetics. Now the flip side to this is that there has been a a rise admittedly amongst a fringe group of scientists tastes. Sometimes periphery associated with real science. But whose voices are amplified by social media who have an understanding of of population genetics. which effectively what? What what we're talking about here but not such a profound understanding that's the They are prevented it from saying things which are effectively either not true. All the reasons for saying them all motivated by by racism or race as we used to understand it the light using the book is that they appear to be more interested in the race ban. The science itself Yeah for sure I mean you say that history is not straightforward bit shocking to find brilliant minds like linear so voltaire. Can't get so wrong. But what do you think was the motivation. Why was the nurse wanting wanting to label subspecies of Homo Sapiens? Lazy or stubborn or greedy or voltaire forgot. Say up calling black people animals or can't declaring them stupid. Was it the kind of conscious project to justify colonialism or were they just so drenched in it. They couldn't help themselves. We have concurrent with the emergence of colonialism and European expansionism in the age of plunder that this is the first time there's a lot of people in Europe are are coming across experiencing over the rest of the world. Now if you're capable offering those people then they're much easier to subjugate and so my argument which is not the first time this has been presented. This is a historical argument. Is that is is well. Established is that science becomes co-opted becomes marshalled into a political ideology in order to make that subjugation easier. Now now the motivations for people like Nelson Voltairian canton balloon back in a whole host. Basically all of them in trying to apply a scientific what we now the a pseudo scientific taxonomy to the people of the world this is the act of of classification which which is part of the subjugation process. So it's it's it's not the way round that we like to sciences. Now which is that we harvest the data and we make the observations than we do the experiments and then we allow political ideologies to come out of that Walstein. Science is being discussed in in public discourse this at the beginning of the age of enlightenment as we call it and also the birth of the scientific revolution we have a bunch of proto scientists who are not doing good signs but doing very very strong racism and the roots of that are really are the seventeenth eighteenth century in Europe but they puck late into the present and we still see and I think with the emergence of new genetic techniques we all all seeing a recapitulation of some of those ideas just with a new data set which is DNA and it was basically everybody. They want a bunch of scientists who is seeing the data properly saying it is not like uh-huh just weren't getting hurt as the whole lot. Well that's a really important an interesting question because of course it's really important that we don't say we don't judge people by contemporary more more more. Is that that is a standard blind in history. But I also think it has been used historically as a get out clause for saying well everyone thought was more racist suspect then because you can contemporaries views and you can say you can look at what Voltaire said. comparator can't said what they said and it is possible to say well. Volta was more racist than camp for example and there are people within this mix who display a much it much less racist worldview for the eighteenth century than others. This is one guy gottfried von Herder. WHO's a German purchase scientists at the same time as bloom and back and and and all these and can't particularly counts main antagonists on this and he's well known in Germany but less well-known here and around the rest of the world here's much more accurate depiction depiction of race in terms of how we understand it? Today he describes continuity he he of human types he rejects the notion that all races cases in the first place and describes what we now know from population. Genetics which is what we see in people genetically is a recapitulation of history the way people have migrated around the world. Now I I guess this point when I was when I was reading I discovered from her from reading the historians works and I thought. Wow this guy's like so enlightened so twenty-first-century this is amazing. He's my new hero and I kept reading and he was a massive anti Semite. Mike spoke and described as being more like monkeys so at the same time is getting the science less wrong you know. Everyone is march march march. More Racist Science that he was getting right couldn't be heard because it didn't fit with the colonial project that's true and his like I said his main antagonist was can't and he's he's the he's the big guy on the block is make right and everyone knows can't reduce who's a an important thinker in western philosophy. Just a little bit racist suggest. Your native American ancestors are fabulous story but as you explain this colorful history of your great great great great. Great Grandmother and Handy's traveling circus obscure excuse. The fact that the stories of the other sixty three women you're equally related to a lost which suggests a kind of wider point that all evolutionary histories our histories of lost. Do you think and that inevitable focus on the ones who won the ones who made it through is part of the reason why evolution looks so mysterious absolutely absolutely and I think that this is a this is a different marshalling marshaling a different co-opting of science into into a failed which is effectively the belonging and identity. I'm reluctant identity politics. Although it does come into it especially especially with white supremacists but the emergence of companies like twenty-three ancestry dot com who offer a service which appears to be able to sci fi your genealogy and say well you do belong in this group or you do belong in multiple groups because I think a lot of people gain great pleasure from discovering they have multiple lines of previously unknown ancestry. St The the the reason I use that native American stories. Well it's super cold. I've got one one. What is it six times great grandmother? Who was who's described on her wedding certificate as a savage because her father was imported from the Americas from Catava tribe to be horse jumping showman in a traveling wing circus? That is a cool story. It's a story does it make me native American absolutely not I have no biological nor cultural connection with native Americans and as you say the vast majority of people through history as shadows dust and we only identify the ones the have infamy or fame or interesting stories but they do they have any bearing on us as individuals. Do they have any bearing on us now. Behavior or Or character or identity it my in my opinion almost always absolutely not you say that science is tied to be objective of but there are moments in this book when you're pro starts to build a kind of unstoppable momentum when you're describing how racial stereotypes intersect with swimming all the lasting impact of a dubious paper by Gregory Cochran and so on. Was this book written in anger. It was interesting process because I found myself at times. Some of the history of racine is so absurd. That is just funny. So lineas is a good example all of this so he he was profoundly his descriptions of of humans in his categorisations from which we get the five types of humans which which was five races of humans with many people still sort of collectively referred to today introduced another costs which was a sappy and monster. Also that includes Dude feral Wolf goals and Patagonian dwarfs and my favorite. I think maybe my favorite line I've ever ever written out. Money will get hot and tots. That's his phraseology. So what that means is what we now call Kosan men with one testicle now this. That's funny because it's absurd exactly absolutely absurd so there were definitely times. When I'm writing? This book and thinking is so so ridiculous that how could this ever have been considered serious and at other times. I'm writing about the history of slavery and history of of Empire and these. Aw the worst acts perpetrated by humans on other humans We think we know you know people know savory was bad right right. That's a a reasonable starting point east. Coast me this office. Eighty so much so much worse than than we think we know the way. The native Americans Sabine traces over the last four hundred years in North America is just such a depressing. An awful full tail again much much worse than at least I was aware of them. You know many people sure historians will know these stories so yeah it was kind of fun at times. I kind of extremely depressing in terms of the belligerents. Titlis had to argue with the racist. It some it's meant to be to equip people because these conversations are happening. I think more and more now I'm asking a question of strategy. Anger is a good strategy. At this point I think the swimming is not a bad example because they submerged out of conversation. I was having with a friend. Who is a Nigerian by birth? We we talk about. swimmingly took my athletics as whole section on sport. He mentioned that were black. People don't swim today and I said I'm sorry what he said. Well you know by people. Don't swimming we we we we just don't swim. It's only bone density and and this is not something heard this and then you you you look deeper. And there is a great longstanding belief among including amongst black people That's there is some biological anti swimming factor house thinking well. This is nuts not just because it exists as a racial trope or stereotype but the people of color people of African descent have actually adopted this. And when you look at the survey when you look at the data the best of which have been done by looking at African-americans African-americans by the swim you USA. which is is the national swimming body? You look at the correlates of why seventy percent of African Americans can't swim and I went to the mall but they are socioeconomic because they tend to be outside of school programs off the segregation and sixty four MO- swimming pools were built in in wealthier districts no role models the number of a people who have competed in the Olympics. Swimming events are African. Americans is. I'm guessing zero. It's two to two in the history of the Olympics but the biggest one and this is the type of stuff that drives me nuts. The biggest Korla not being able to swim is not being taught how to swim now. It's so obvious obvious that such an obvious thing and yet we invent pseudoscientific nonsense like black people have dense bones and therefore I four the sink when actually the most important thing is being taught how to swim. I I think that is a cause for of anger. Maybe but so despair despair but people need to know this because if if my black friends are telling me I can't swim because my bones are too dense then then that's a deep cultural. Oh problem and the you know the awful punchline to this is this is literally lethal in America. Children between the age of five and fourteen PEOP- african-americans working Americans drown at a rate three times higher than white children. A problem we can literally be addressed swimming lessons. Swimming lessons is how people into swim It really is as straightforward as that while we're talking about strategy as well you open your discussion of Cochrane's paper by saying set aside the crippling difficulties in describing populations this is distinct discreet or as racist but isn't that lending legitimacy to that racist argument. I mean there's no point in arguing about the dodgy science behind some paper if the genetics genetics of race. Just don't stand up I yes it's not. It's not an invalid criticism. You'll you'll making bought the I have to be really honest about the science. I'm I'm not a race. Historian I'm a geneticist. And so my baseline is what does the data say. I have to be straightforward about that. As the offense of of the second war and the Holocaust became known a in the second half of the twentieth century. There was a sort of swing away away from biological determinism. The idea that everything is within us his innate. which was the sort of predominant broadly the predominant theory before then and we swung long to a more of a blank slate to bill? Raza Tyke type arguments sets that actually. We are behaviors and characteristics. Are we learn in them through all social environment now when whenever in science. You have sort of Polaroid's debates like dot dot then beyonce's away somewhere in the middle but blank slates ISM is not correct act and we don't think that since people don't think that some people have a tendency to just say well we are all equal. We're all equal have the same potential. The science doesn't doesn't say that's right that we have genetic predispositions to all sorts of things which are which mean that. We're not born with eleven level playing field old and at the. I'm not endorsing that as a political view that is simply what the science says. There is an innate level of intelligence which can be metric sized in some form form again. This doesn't have any necessary policy implications or how we should think we'll talk about intelligence but these are basic facts so recognizing the people are different. I think he's a really important tactic in this whole argument. Not least because it's true but also because if you go out and tell people that race doesn't exist. A certain proportion of people are going to respond racists again say well what do you mean by that because that you you know this person is a black person and if I say there are back person you know what I'm talking about well. This person is station. They are clearly physically different from me and yet you're saying that we're all the same. Well you know I WANNA be. I WANNA tackle those sorts of arguments as well and try to understand the weight of those differences and so the qualification on the on the Maxim race doesn't exist is that race doesn't exist from a scientific biological point of view. I want to be absolutely absolutely explicitly. Clear race does exist. Because it's a social construct. In spite of it being social construct social constructs are the basis of human interactions time is a social construct. Money is a social construct so when people say oh you're madge say that racist just social construct there are social conservative. Everything recognizing that people are different recognizing that there is biological difference between people people look different. And and this largely correlates with geographical landmasses trying to understand population histories trying to understand that there are genetic differences between groups of people and then also also recognizing that those biological differences do not correlate with the colloquial uses of race that we currently use news and this again is why the history is important because all of these categorisations that we use are less than four hundred years old. This is not some universal inmates categorization system. That is so obvious that that it's been the same for forever and ever this is an invention of the enlightenment is an invention of colonialization before the enlargement before Western expansion European expansion and plunder there are plenty. NT of references to skin color and physical characteristics. But they are not the primary way that's cultures and civilizations NHS and groups and populations of a or describe people they encounter religion language geography cultural practices. These are far for more common in the pre enlightenment. Era these these ways talking these ways of describing people are as you say quite recent. They're also kind of plain wrong in lots of ways. So what do you think people keep returning to them. What's the attraction well? Evolution has deceived or is this is the point about science. We try to remove human from trying to understand reality because like you said we very casually say black people if I say black people you the U The listeners know roughly we were talking about except for the fact that one there are one point three billion people in Africa who on average have darker skin than Van People in Europe and we know from a genetic point of view that there is more genetic diversity within Africa than there is in the rest of the world. Put together. Sidney evolutionary caused behind that. which is that? We weren't African species and so a small proportion of humans left Africa to populate the rest of the world whereas the whole massive Africa. There's just so many more people within Africa that remained there within the last hundred thousand years. And so what that means is that you know. A woman for Angola is more likely to be more different to a woman from Uganda than either one of them is to a Chinese man or Maori three or native American and these just this is just a genetic fact. So there's more genetic diversity within Africa than the rest of the world is also more pigmentation diversity diversity in Africa that in the rest of the world. We only know this because the studies on about pigmentation in Africa being done in the last five years he is and this is this is another point a bit like the swimming point where I get a bit agitated. We've got a system social system of race which is almost entirely based Don pigmentation and was set up based on pigmentation for five hundred years ago. No one started looking at at the genetics of skin. Color until the second decade of the Twenty First Century and Lo and behold it turns out there is more pigmentation diversity in Africa than in the rest of the world. It does these things are like complicated at some level I mean. Are you expecting that does going to be some sort of Copernican moment when these complicated truths percolate through when people who kind of understand all those new results and things flip around for everybody. And why does society. I'll be I hope so. I think a lot of people. I think these things are true already. Anyway but the what's interesting from a from a scientific point of view is that as the signs has become more detailed more complicated and we understand the gene and better than ever and and we're still working on not as long way to go all what it demonstrates is the the days of the late twentieth century about race and genetics wchs remain true and that there isn't some great revelation that as we dig deeper into the genome. Suddenly we discovered. Oh there is an innate characteristic apologist characteristic which which you know just just aligns perfectly with East Asians or aboriginal Australians or Europeans or whatever none of those taxonomy none of those those clear classification boxes have been reinforced by a further understanding of genetics. Every day I get messages from people saying I'm sacrificing scientific integrity at the altar of political correctness will some such Simla Simla nonsense phrase like that and. I hope that I'm not doing that and I think that I'm on. I'm trying not to do that. But there's another point which is really worth nailing which which is that. Racism is not bad because it's based on really shoddy science racism is bad because it's an affront to human dignity. The whole point is the point. Point of the book is if you get a racist. Then you don't have science on your side and mine is very powerful ally. Adam Rutherford how to argue with a racist is published by Felton Nicholson in both the UK and the US after the break. We'll be talking about whether a writing career ever really comes to a full. Oh stop but Martin article but never returned to read it. You're not align with the guardians audio long reads podcast. You can listen to expert writing on a diverse diverse range of issues whenever CC from immigration at each appeal. She was refused the right to stay in the country to call novelists he could not avoid writing murder on his list of options for long form journalism without all the reading. Listen to the Guardians Audio long reads on Apple spotify. Or wherever you get your Oh podcasts. Welcome back to the Guardian books. podcast speaking to the Guardian last week the romantic novelist. Nora Roberts Sixty nine year old author of more than two hundred and twenty novels with sales of over five hundred million books worldwide said. She had no plans to retire. I'm told that Robert B Parker one of my favorite authors died at his computer. She said Bob. That's just the way to go. I'm not pretending to do an American accent. So this got us thinking about whether it has ever really we retire. The ones who do it's quite select fund isn't it Richard. Yeah I was thinking back about this and it was just the obvious one who springs to mind now. Is Philip Roth else who who decided he was going to go and retired. Watch the baseball. I thought were terrific idea and also have barbecues his friends on his balcony which he'd never he died they. It distracted him from his writing. Always writing distracted him set him from them is such a thing. Because we always thought Philip Roth is such kind of Saturnin figured moping away about the state of America but in in fact he was always just having a great time as good in between the between the Daedalus pros and there were a series of small tiny phone interviews he gave during this period before he passed away when he was clearly having the most marvelous time. But you're right. There aren't very many of them. That's also another example is Lee child child who has so belatedly become this extraordinary cult although he he is John Writer he's big. He's got this extraordinarily following which which ranges he's from Margaret Macmillan. The historian to Kate Atkinson to Margaret travel suddenly literally people coming out of the woodwork to declare themselves fans just at the point at which he decides to hang up uh-huh boots and give his gives franchise his brother Andrew which hilariously. He said he'd only give him the right to write Lee Child novels if he changed his surname named child child being assume that leach out himself adopted having been born. Jim Grant back in the day there so handing on not only the pain but also so the name the crucial equipment for successful career. I if I am taking a purely subjective view on it I can see if you're a sort in fact a book factory and you belong to this. This tradition of churning out a book. Yeah why would you. It's a sort of day job really isn't it and I could see the temptations of not always having to meet your February deadline in order to be in bookshops for September in time for the Christmas market. which is what they suffer from but there occasionally there are other sorts of the writer as well who retired? For example. The biographer Michael Holroyd announced. He was in his eighty S. Mind you that he was going to retire but you know. He's written such such painstaking literary biographies. I can imagine just the the the job of assembling the material and and also the length of those projects. If you're in your eighties you you. It could take you ten years to produce your next work. I can see that. That would be more tempting but the thing is most writers. They are writers by temperament and I that is their that primary identity. So how can you actually give up your primary identity. Though in those Russia throughout the ages who refuse to go quietly kept on producing right to the very end. Yes yes edna. O'Brien through the ages Edna. O'Brien I actually. She's my hero. I mean I read go her most recent novel out last year which is which raised some eyebrows browse which was set in it set in northern Nigerian. It's about girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. And she's eighty eight eighty eight year old Irish woman. She took herself off to north of of of Niger which is pretty much badlands to go and research this subject and produced this novel. which actually I was very very skeptical about but I I was entirely run over by it because you know and she's somebody who could you just think she even if she isn't publishing she'll wake up every morning penna beautiful sentence because that's what she's been doing all life? I guess it's a bit Charles. Dickens isn't it who just carried ongoing giving a farewell to his farewell tour was part of the brand part of going on and he was in in the middle of a novel when he actually passed away he was writing to intrude which then never got published in his lifetime. So yeah I guess I mean He. He was the original sort of Celeb- and also actually actually in contradicting my thesis. My rather one says he was. He was the original person he wrote to order over very many years in in those Jose Reyes wrote in cereals but the most interesting category I think is the people who say they're going to retire. And and don't so my favorite Claret it might favorite is Jim Chris. I absolutely loved him crease. And regular follow of this podcast will remember having him on the podcast last for the melody. but when he wrote harvest which was in contention for the booker in two thousand thirteen. I think it was. He announced that that was going to be very last novel am. I don't think that was the first time he'd ever done it either. And then back he came. He's always going to come back. But you know what I can see is how when you finished a novel and you're confronted with the Juggernaut. The publicity the exhaustion of the whole process. I can absolutely see why probably most writers at some point in this life cycle of anyone book. We'll have this feeling. Oh my God Ardekani I could feel the urge at least Michael Frame It was another serial retire or non retire in two thousand and twelve. He said he he he said I'm never going to write anything ever again. But that was after saying in two thousand and six that if you don't actually have a job it's very hard to know if retired from it. Nobody comes in and gives you a clock. And maybe that's that's the thing there's no kind of endpoint and as you say if writing is part of your identity then you just keep going another one if we're talking about younger people this. Jonathan Franson Jonathan's uh-huh Jonathan's France and just before his sixtieth thirty said that his his knobbly just written felt like his last but but at the same time he said to another outlet. I think I think he said that he was going to return to the New York Times and he told us the Guardian that he never plan to retire so he was sort of playing it. Both ways and pushed warm probably felt though you in both things that are those particular moments and I think. That's I think that's a perfectly fair. What about you? Are you going to be books. podcast until he until until he popped clogs perish the thought yes until. I can't put two thoughts together Richard. I'm past that point it already and I'm afraid to stop that that conversation now before it becomes to use of next week we'll be talking to the crime writer Sophie Hannah about her unexpected unexpected swerve into memoir. But for now. If you have any thoughts about this week's episode get in touch on twitter at Guardian books or on the podcast page and remember. You can subscribe even review US wherever you get your podcast from. But for now from me Claire armistead sadly and our producer. ESTA EL POCO Jenny. Goodbye and thanks for listening for more. Great podcast from the Guardian. Just go to the GUARDIAN DOT COM slash podcasts.

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Hour 1: New Captain

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Hour 1: New Captain

"Great news. There's a quick way you can save money. Switch to geico geico could help you get great coverage at a great price and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more more on car insurance go to geico dot com today and see how much you could save yeah. We're just focused on the guys who were here right now and <hes> and so we're going to go out and practice of the guys who have been hearing prepare <hes> to play with those guys and zeke's been a big part of our team. We love them and <hes> you know once. It gets back here. We'll try to get him as integrated as quickly as possible knows our system of football. I don't think there'll be a lot of learning there. Were just focus on the guys who have right now. We're gonna go practices. Walls also kanter prepare the right way to play the giants good morning and welcome to i take on ross golden what filling in for molly karen damian what he is back again again back everybody. I just gotta start the show by saying this do. I look like a substitute teacher to you. They know ties to substitute teach who are absolute who shops the tom ford a year. If stephen a smith were here you wouldn't come in with an open collar. Well listen. I had to take the booster pseudo this chair that stephen a smith had all the time like like i'm sitting in the barber sightseer man i just want you to know i don't support any of this. They were trying to get at you because they had a cushion on your seat. I don't support any of his name. I got your back all right well. We had your back yesterday. We held down the fort and today we got a show. We're going to get right to do it. We opened the show with the most recent conversation around zeki. Elliott's hold out this time. It was cowboys head coach jason garrett who stepped up to the mike slowing the expectations -tations for the running backs timetable for return it seems negotiations have stalled again and the team is preparing to begin the season without the league's leading rusher the check this out according to adam schefter dallas just agreed to a five year extension with right tackle collins so the cowboys are out here paying people well guys on the defense just not damian. What should the cowboys do. Zeke listen obviously the first priority is you wanna sign and you guys because the cowboys are uniquely built around the running back unlike most teams in the national football league but make no mistake about it in this particular situation the cowboys boys have the leverage here okay. This is not like libya on bill with the pittsburgh steelers where he was under the franchise tag. He didn't sign it. Okay he could literally sit sit out the whole year and get two free agency as opposed to ezekiel elliott who still has one year plus a fifty option that the dallas cowboys exercise so if you're the dallas cowboys you're sitting back saying okay. Listen we wanna do right by you because you're a big piece of big piece of what we're trying to do and we know that this is probably the best team that we have had since the triplets back in the nineties but at the same time at the same time jerry jones is a stupid okay. Jerry jones didn't make billions of dollars being stupid businessman. He understands where the leverage is in this particular situation and the leverage is what the dallas cowboys okay at zeke elliot what all players are fighting for is getting to free agency okay. He knows that with ezekiel elliott. You're going to have to report at some point. Hey this is not the whole season like levian bill. You're going to have to report so dallas cowboys in this particular situation. Obviously try to sign him but you're going to wait them out because obviously what play is going to be missing game checks big bad. He's got to be willing to look at this is not levian bell. Let's look at the difference. Let me on bell second round. Pick zeke was top five fourth overall. Levy didn't get his big money until later. Zeke signed a sixteen million dollars plus contract upon turning bro. It's different. However levian bell had more leverage because you're right he sits. It's out the year. He's a free agent. That was like what recourse did he have. If you wanted to get paid if they wouldn't give him guaranteed money ezekiel elliott's they can franchise is an twice like he's two years. Sorry bit could make him play and then franchise so that leverage is different but there's been a paradigm shift big fella. It's not like it used to be. Let me tell you what's going on in the n._f._l. As far as i can see it back in the day you could draft a running back up high because running backs were was a huge vision fantasy. Football still hasn't caught up to this fantasy. Football still acts like running. Back is the most important position. It's like my number one gripe with it right but it's it's been devalued because scarcity is an issue and they're everywhere right other cornerback scarce hard to find a top one running backs or fungible. They're interchangeable. Even if zeke gives you a bonus over what another guy gives you. You can find a couple of guys to basically more or less do that job behind a good offensive line all right so let me tell you what i think. Teams are looking at now because suddenly they started to draft running backs way up high again so why is that because they realize wanting back so it's not like a left tackle which which is really a skills position takes a couple of years to really learn it. Welling backs hit the ground running so to speak right year one. They're almost as good as they'll ever be and then you can ride item and wear them into the ground and then you can franchise them and then you can franchise them again and then you tell them well. You're twenty seven years old. You're bonuses based. Start your guaranteed money based on what you think you're going to do. You only have a year or two of elite production anyway so you never really have to pay him so when people look and say why you're drafting a running back because you you get immense value out of them and you never really have to pay so the agents in the running back so looking at this now wait a minute. The only thing we can do is hold out we can threaten in either with if we're a year away from free agency. We could just sit out the year end. Steve our bodies and get paid so to force you to pay us or if that's that's not the case if zeke elliott we can wait for a moment of high leverage. Oh you think you're gonna win the super bowl this year right and you drafted fourth and i'm the centerpiece of your off this guess what if i'm willing to simply not get on the field that missed those game checks because he's gotten a lot of money already has made millions already. Then zeke has some leverage to he's. He's got leverage to damian. It's not like it used to be listen. The dallas cowboys definitely easy. There's no question about that but again. Ultimately really what's the goal of every player in the national football league when they come into the national football league. They've won to get two free agency because the second bite of the apple. That's ask where you hit the home run okay and this particular situation again. We're not talking about. We're not talking about today on clinic. Those two now those two guys us they had you they. You need leverage because they will own the franchise tag. You're talking about guy. Zeke elliott again has another year and the fifth fifth year option so if you're the dallas cowboys you know he can't get agents say hit two free agency so if you're the dallas cowboys because you listen awesome contract that working towards the contract again both sides. They want to get it done but ultimately jerry jones understand the economics in the cba in this particular situation. You can't get there but you gotta do. All i have to do right now is sit back. Wait you out because guess what most players aren't willing to miss gain chip and that's where that's all billionaires is having millionaires. You're not wrong but there are two things here. One zeke has made millions already millions so he has he should we'll see he should have a little cushion if he wants to do it and to this is the unique situation. Jerry jones ain't getting any younger. That's i mean jerry. Jones looks like he's starting to look. You know the crypt keeper from back in the day. Let's be honest. He's getting the point. Is that and you're right. He's obviously a very smart guy. He understands his business business but if winning the super bowl is important to him and if this happened to steinbrenner to george steinbrenner league great owner of the new york yankees who who hit the ground running again like great early free agents and everything that went through a long fallow period no playoffs a long time then he got older and he ceded some of the power to some people who work for him the way jerry has with stephen with his son. Things started getting better again because he learned some stuff. I think may because he saw his own mortality and thought i want to win again. Jerry jones is in a situation right now where the cowboys could legit win a super bowl. Maybe not with this coach but maybe maybe this year or next year. They're in a position. You never ever can't tell but they have all the pieces they need on the field. Does he really want to risk that. You know the last time as ego got in the way with any any far fire jimmy johnson johnson and barry switzer one but with jimmy johnson's players basically and they haven't won since then where can he get out of his own way and and really strike while the irons hot right now what makes me suspicious about the cowboys is a haven't heard anything about the guaranteed money i hear about he'll be the second highest average annual. What about the guarantee man. That's really what ezekiel elliott wants to know if the cowboys even put it out there we're going to make him the fourth highest in terms of guaranteed money than people like you. Maybe like zeke. Zeke your two years album free agents. That's that's a good deal but we haven't heard word one about that. So how important is it for jerry jones to win another super bowl and and is he willing to take the risk. If you win some loses some early season games he should win without zeke at at sacrificing this season on the altar of keeping zeke's money down and you mentioned and jerry jones is power but what about head coach jason garrett. I mean there's a lot of pressure on hand. People are even saying he's on the hot seat. Should he also be campaigning to get this deal done. Well listen every coach every play every coach they want. Their guys in. There doesn't invest guy out there but you know you're not gonna be. You're not gonna do it through the media. That's not what the coach he's gonna. Do the coaches everyone in the building train and say you know what it's like. Injury guys just not here. We just got played with. You got to play with but you'd better believe in an jason garrett. Oh we're we're hell of a lot better with zeke on the team the him being in kabul right now. Hey molly care. I'm here and you're listening to the first take podcasts. 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It's time to shine and the colts are backing their new number one with a big financial investment according to adam schefter the colts signed for set to a two year thirty million dollar deal with twenty million guaranteed a move that at least suggest to the world jacoby guy so now we welcome in former colts quarterback. Dan orlovsky welcomed in what's going on on. Let's say you didn't know chilling first of all you got the cufflinks on. No oh tie rested suit when i'm about the battle man need to be comfortable cress-like avila now yeah all right. Let's talk about one good guy all right so they mean. Do you believe that were set will be the colts next franchise quarterback i do. I do i when i look at jacoby brusett. Here's a guy we always talk about and dan you can speak to speak on this will allow these quarterbacks when they come into the league is dependent on the tiber environment destruction that they come into and we look at kobe said he comes in first of all he goes into new england in getting probably the best environment best coaching <hes> surrounded by some of the best talents. You could possibly hope for come into the league so he's getting all lead nurturing off. The bat gets traded to the indianapolis colts now when he gets to coast to in two thousand seventeen play the whole year. Why andrew lucked out. I mean he put up respectable respectable numbers. They're put the roster. That was nothing like what the colts have right now. I mean one of the things that jim chris ballots said at the time was he regretted that he he didn't address the offers a line. I mean that same year kobe percent with fifty two tons of any quarterback in the national football league so when you look at the structure sure that the indianapolis indianapolis colts have right now for jacoby. Are you talking about wanting to best office and lines good running back. Why was he was upgraded. All all basically all the talent around him has been upgraded and this guy to me has up here from the neck up because he's been tutored by some of the best and also remember the frank right was in a similar type situation with philadelphia with carson wentz going down and then you all then you then. You have folks nick. Nick foles coming in so he understands the dynamic of you know what the quarterback you know. We had a change at quarterback one of guys down. We have another guy so frank right un's us. They understand this particular situation. Where andrew luck is no longer in the midst but i got a guy jacoby perset who's been who's been tutored and trained right from the get-go and understands understands how to play the game and then planning system for a while you go. I know you're going to agree to former n._f._l. Players so i'm going to get this out before mr mr p._r. Oh i like that play that i did. I did thanks for watching. Check out the breakdown on get up. Look when i think there's a chance he can be a franchise quarterback right but when we ask yes or no really asking because there's always odds right. Is it over fifty fifty or under fifty fifty so i have to say it's under fifty fifty. I have to say no no as a franchise quarterback he could be. It seems to me i would say he's he's a very good backup and maybe he could be a starting quarterback here and there but to say he's going to be someone's franchise quarterback going forward the colts. Don't believe that the goals thing give your franchise quarterback contract. They came a contract so we think you can play. Here's a middle-class contract in the meantime. We'll give us some time to figure out what we wanna. Do here's the issue though with perset i think maybe he can although sooner bellichik quarterbacks once they leave the patriots hasn't worked out so well so far and you could tallies patriots quarterback because it doesn't make mistakes at least not glaring mistakes right not like oh. There's a turnover maybe he left some plays on the field or he took a sack but he doesn't turn the ball over so a guy like that who can gay marriage is a good backup the neediest starter at times but now we need to see from perset which we haven't yet how about those big plays when you need them like a guy like that prescott you can say as a gay the manager but who is eli manning was the same thing but who's big on third down plays under pressure. We don't know that those answers about about percents yet so i can't sit here and say yes that guy's franchise quarterback. I'm saying yes. There's a little bit of beauty the known as well so there's a couple of angles. I'm going to go to this. Let's let's talk about doug peterson right so doug peterson to woods. Point is an ex backup quarterback. We go back to two thousand seventeen philadelphia's run. They've got carson wentz light in the league on on fire. Nick foles has to play before that year. Nick foles had if you look at the over the two year stretch from fifteen to sixteen. He's got about a year's worth of starts. He's got thirteen touchdowns in ten picks before that moment. No one was thinking. Nick foles was going to go on run except for me. I actually did say he would because of the people around him then then the fast forward to where the coach all right now andrew luck lease jacoby percent from seventeen or fifteen sixteen and seventeen has about a year's worth of starts charts thirteen touchdowns seven picks so what guy looks like potentially the better at the beginning of this story. Nick foles does not look as good as jacoby percent then we add in frank reich who was integral and his part in that eagles run second point is this e two most important aspects for young quarterbacks in the n._f._l. Right now more than ever is a general manager who knows how to draft and a guy who knows how to call plays the colts have proven guy in chris ballard authored who's proven he can draft and they've got a play caller and frank reich. You talk about the contract. I actually think the contract signals you no what we better. Get him on the cheap right now because maybe maybe but we would you rather get him on the cheap right now. Then casey works out then let him him bowl this year and then we go gosh she's second point was a good one. Your point was so selective. Let's go back to the point. Though it is a it is they point to the bucket all that bunk listen. When you look at nick foles yeah. He was a strutted arizona. He was the second best quarterback back in the pack. Twelve us better than osweiler's better than that barkley didn't get their press all the time. The only guy better news andrew luck from some people are saying that might be the best quarterback jacoby persona study it carolina. Yes i understand but i'm starting from the very beginning so stud. He turns pro goes to chip. Kelly has a season where throws twenty seven touchdowns against two interceptions. The only bad portion of his career came under jeff fisher that we're no quarterback has ever performed he he did not performing kansas city breezy again. He had a years worth starts over two years. He had thrown thirteen touchdowns in ten picks. He gets named a starter after carson. Person gets hurt. Everybody norma success on the n._f._l. Burger twenty-seven all of here's what you're missing and are brought up and dan touched on it. It's the infrastructure okay and that's what i'm emphasizing. Would you cobra said you see the numbers from two thousand seven seventeen nineteen. They're not bad numbers okay but the infrastructure has been upgraded. They had begun no. It's a head coach. I'll go gano incomes frank right right right. Frank right was the office coordinator in philadelphia when they won the super bowl. Okay chris ballot may arguably the best g._m. In the national football league so the infrastructure uh of the of the g._m. And the head coach combined with your kobe brusett who still to me ascending play with talent of being listen listen you can hear them making the case. I hope you're right. I think you might be right but i think that's under fifty fifty. Let's take nick foles. It's instructive that you take nick foles. He won a super bowl. I think he can be the franchise quarterback over the long term but let's see the jury is still out and we're talking about. A guy who was a starting college had a great season under chip kelly went on a super bowl one did it again right and that's because not just on what he does on the field but that's the effect he has like. We don't know that about percent. We don't the about many play again. You can say that about nick foles now but were you on this show when carson wentz hurt exactly oh you're saying to in other words in other states second thing about this is an exception. Did you hear andrew. Luck talk about jacoby perset. Did you hear about how upset so how much his friendship and relationship meant to him. It's the same stuff philly set about nick foles so because of the most important person new organization is the head coach until you find the quarterback but these got the general manager in place these he's got the play caller in place if he was going to a different team that didn't have those things in place to woody's point of the infrastructure. We could have a little bit different conversation standard so he's got the infrastructure. He's got the play calling. He's got this vote of confidence with the financial backing in investment in this contract. What would you call a successful season then production wise for percents this year percents god get around thirty. Touchdown passes have a forty forty two hundred yards or four thousand yards in this team. Listen houston made some nice editions but this team should be playing meaningful games in december for this decision. His individual stuff doesn't matter. The team has to make the playoffs. They were one of the super bowl favorites with andrew luck drop off. Look you have a franchise quarterback. Please make the plate listen three days ago. I agree. They were the best team in that division. Be the only conversation we could have had was because of deshaun watson. I would've taken houston but now those additions make picket make houston equally as good a team but they need to be playing meaningful games and he needs he needs to he needs to be the guy that's allowing allowing them the opportunity to win meaningful games in december for us to feel vindicated by this conversation aaron rodgers is one of the greatest quarterbacks the backs of all time and if he doesn't wanna play preseason games aaron rodgers is not gonna play preseason games and coach matt leflore conceited this to rogers and yesterday day he addressed media revealing how he's given rogers even more power and responsibility over how the team runs check it out we've given him you know oh all the freedom so if you see something and he's got the green light to do whatever he needs to do to get us into a good play. We're not gonna take picked up from the packers opened the n._f._l. Season thursday night in chicago against mitch trubisky and the rival bears but who's under more pressure the season trubisky or rogers and we welcome back. Dan skeet then who's under more pressure. It's mitchell trubisky. You started your beautiful segment by saying rogers one of the greatest of all times. That's that's pretty much written down him. Being in that conversation. Let's go back to the genesis of mitchell trubisky career because ryan pace the general manager decides you you know what my dress thoughts not enough so they trade to third pick. They trade the sixty seven pick. They traded a fourth round pick and they treat a two thousand eighteen third round pick. You gave up four valuable assets to the organization to go. Get the quarterback inherently when you do that. There's pressure on that. Then you go hire a head coach not because as you think he's really good at this this this and that because he can get the guy that i gave up all those assets four he can get him to play his best football so you then hired your head coach coach because of that quarterback now you've drafted all those pieces around him and you've given trae bertrand money and you've given allen robinson money given cody white hair and offensive line and money you've drafted after montgomery and you've drafted riley ridley for mitchell trubisky and then you play in chicago and you've been as a city chicago's been waiting for their quarterback their savior their next twelve years to arrive and they thought it was potentially like rex grossman or kyle and a guy that i played with since really jim mcmahon in eighty eight in the mid eighties or maybe hardball and early nineties. That's sitting organization has been begging for quarterback in right now. They're like seventy thirty thinking it's trubisky. The packers have had great quarterback play for thirty years. There's there's pressure on aaron but the most pressure right now out of those two is trubisky. You know the most pressures on aaron rodgers in fact everyone could say well the floral get blamed. No one will remember the floors name if he fails. Everyone will remember aaron rodgers. So you guys think i hear the argument. All the time rogers already one of the greatest of all time so that's all taking care of there's no pressure just as coach outta town and by the way he's right because mccarthy didn't change change with the times like you see the really great coaches that can straddle eras or able to adapt to the new league bill belichick mike tomlin andy reid right. Those are great coaches who can adapt datu what's going on because they didn't do that. Exactly and rogers ran about a talents be honest about this. Let's be honest. Your cellphone did not i. Ah did not have rogers support like they were. They were if he had roger support. It may have been different the point is this if it doesn't work out with the next guy if roger roger sits on one super bowl his whole career not like in the old days if marine only would have won that super bowl that was before. Tom brady sat on six got six went to nine got six so reno not having one because we could see with their eyeballs marino's like the most talented guy ever but he's never even want super bowl right so rogers got the one. We think that's now now put bed. No it's not what's the difference between elway and mcnabb like we think of elway up here. Mcnabb is not quite in that category. The only difference is elway got a running back. Last two seasons of won super bowls for mcnabb was a beauce for a long time. We would remember things differently. You know what i look. Eh rogers best football player i have ever seen he has more sway the over the outcome of any game than anyone. I've ever seen anyone and yet if he sits on one people aren't compared to brady anymore. I've heard people talk about drew who breathe actually is degraded quarterback than rogers rogers better than both of those guys. You think there's not pressure new coach rosie old guy outta town the new guy put in this. This doesn't work out if he ends his career on one super bowl if he loses to the bears e._s._p._n. Simulated the season eleven billion times the tax on thirteen games so we don't like uh-huh because of aaron rodgers. If they missed the playoffs again history will remember him as early as the ball down no in one of the greatest of all he should be getting narrative would never change air body now listen. Do i think karadzic careers fourth titled. Maybe underachieving aspect probably i think you could you could definitely put some of that on the coach because you'd you you just pointed out coast didn't adapt to what's going on in the national football league right now the purchase on mitchell trubisky dan pointed out had had a lot of points number one. You gave a lot of assets for the guy. Okay you go from three to give up a boatload of as you go out there. You hire officer monico aniko just for the quarterback okay then you go out there and you're you're signing gaza free agency. You make a big move for khalil mack. Why do you do these things because you've got a quarterback under a rookie dale okay because you these things understand that you have a window especially. When you've got a quarterback under rookie deep you you got to capitalize right now. Who has a better roster. The band or the green bay packers bears had the better roster. If you look at the band's right now everyone almost say the bears just contend to anybody to get to super bowl right. They wanna mess it up yeah. That's not good enough because guess what you're facing you going to begin jared golf in the player. You're going up against the drew brees. Is there a lot of good quarterback the best in the n._f._c. so it's not good enough. Just don't mess it up. No he needs to take the next step like padma home to the next step point pat mahoney the next up. We need to see metre biscuit. I'm not saying i'm not saying that. He needs to get to that type of level but he does need to take a next step. As far as his production is concerned in order chicago bears to realize all the moves that they may may pay to help them that once they get to the playoffs if they get to the optimal whether or not they get to the place to start the season. We can't start projecting what they do doing the playoffs. I'm talking about who is under more pressure to even make the playoffs right trubisky <unk> on a team where if he doesn't screwed up they should be in the playoffs the reason e._s._p._n. I believe when the way he has to play well. The differences aaron rodgers is expected to play out of his mind. If you you took rogers off the packers and replace them with someone like trubisky you think our simulation would have had the winning thirteen games the reason we think of the green bay packers as title contenders. There's just about every year even though they don't have that kind of team usually is because of aaron rodgers much more is expected but that's because he's a better player. He's not under much less less or more pressure know. It'd be under more pressure air roger great so so you made the comment aaron. Rodgers is the best football player oh you've ever seen so. There's that means that there's nothing that can happen there at aaron. Rodgers kanner ken not do to change that in your arised part. That's not true. You just said he's saying you've ever so you can see peak value. Look kobe broke this year. Does he become the best best. He maintains that status if he doesn't make the playoffs again it's going to be harder and harder for me to argue that position. Listen say kobe. He was the best way ever rescinded me become better be kobe. Bryant well listen pat mahomes just had appease light might be on his way kobe bryant one three chips. He did it with shack if he didn't do anything on the second half of his career if he never won another championship with simply wouldn't remember kobe quite the same way still you could make the argument. Kobe is one of the greatest players that recede seed. That's already cemented but we're on the list is important when you get to that rarified air the fact that kobe did it twice in the second half of his career went to three straight elevated him if if if aspirin rogers never sniffs another super bowl if he starts missing the playoffs year in year two in a row with different coaches his status status will be affected permanently. Let me use your basketball analogy. Lebron's greatest championship in your eyes is which one the comeback against golden state. I would say the first one in cleveland why because everything was stacked against never talking about the same okay then that the reason is because the the investment that was made into that season season everything was bought in okay. Lebron can actually make this happen. We can make this happen and the city had star for it for such a long time if he goes to win one in l._a. Alike cool they. They've had a bunch of championships before chicago as a city. The pressure to play quarterback therapy takes you just made my point for the reason that the one with cleveland was his greatest championship didn't clean no because he'd been a seventy three win unbeatable team and came from behind in the series to do it in game seven on the road in other words. The chips were stacked against him. He slayed the monster if aaron rodgers can slay the monster of the bears we you all agree of a better team in the packers if he can do that there's a monster. They're not gonna. They're gonna warriors rocket okay. We've got to wrap this up. Danilov thank you.

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Monday 10 February

Monocle 24: The Briefing

59:02 min | 1 year ago

Monday 10 February

"You're listening to the briefing first broadcast on the Tenth of February twenty twenty or monocle. Twenty four the briefing is brought to you in partnership with Rolex. Hello and welcome to the briefing coming to you. Live from studio one here at Midori House in London I am Marcus. He beamed coming up. Official official verified caucus results are coming in from the state of I'll they're not complete but results are in from a majority of precincts and they show our campaign in first place. The Democratic Policies Presidential race is heating up but The a hopeful still busy attacking themselves rather than Donald Trump also heads the viral logist. Chris Smith will be joining us. Do Tell us how national governments are. Attempting adding to contain the spread of Corona virus. Blurs the Monaco's guide. Delauney will explain the bilateral relationship between Kosovo and Japan and and then later on today spectrum. Hello financed by share Kanobi here talking Oscars in the amazing success of parasite all thus right here on the briefing with me. Marcus had been two of the democratic. Party's leading presidential hopefuls. Joe Biden and Pete Budgets have traded barbs ahead of tomorrow's. US primary in New Hampshire Biden has even shared a video mocking king. Buddha jets record us mayor of South Bend in Indiana but y other candidates engaging in these sorts of attacks rather than turning contention to Donald Trump's record in the White House. I'm joined on the line by Scott. Lucas who is a professor of US politics the University of Birmingham. Welcome back to the program Scott so first of all your thoughts about the way. Democratic candidates are fighting each other. How damaging is that for the posse? First of all Anybody who shocked by this hands up because you don't have a nomination process in which everybody plays Nice with each other all the way to the end because you are vying to come out on top OP. And you've cited Joe Biden people. Today I would add amy Klobuchar as the three candidates seen as quote moderates more centrist. And they're fighting for that Space Bernie Sanders and was with Warren more on the progressive side of the party are fighting for that space so yes you have conflict but I think there's an easy media rate here which as it often does plays into Donald Trump sandwiches the Democrats were fragmented. They're divided they're going to tear each other down the while basically getting space against each other. They're not forgetting donald trump and they're not getting donald trump not only in criticizing him as we are less than a week after his impeachment trial but in terms of raising issues so almost all of them will agree that Donald Trump is damaging to American healthcare and we need a better system they'll agree. Donald Trump is damaging to the environment. And we need to deal with climate change delegates that Donald Trump is damaging to the economy the long term in terms of issues like fairness and justice and continued growth. So simply because you're actually vying with others to get the nomination doesn't mean for me. Forget that guy in the the White House at the same time you say that the Democratic Party's is rather fragmented at the moment. Do you see any hope that the party would be more more united in the future. What does it take elite? Let me clarify if you think that the Party is fragment. The party is fragmented anymore than the Republican Party was fragmented in two thousand awesome. Sixteen when you had about sixteen candidates started the process that Donald trump eventually took Eventually won anything. Donald Trump's victory while arguably could lead the fragmentation Don't mistake the fact that there are differences of views within a party for being fragmented. Because all you have to go back to November two thousand eighteen to the congressional elections and of course we have those again this year and in two thousand eighteen the democratic success especially in the house where they wanna majority was based on the fact that wild might be differences shades as it were between candidates that unity on issues such as healthcare such as women's rights such as economic justice such as even for decency in politics. That made a difference. The big question is not whether the Democrats were fragmented. The which way you go do you go with the Spectacle Donald Trump. Or do you go with that. She considering the issues news must most of which have been raised by the Democrats. Which of those drives your narrative? is we go towards November. How do you see the narrative evolved from what you reckon is? It's going to be the direction the policies taking towards when we go towards the presidential election in November. Well I again. I think the media going to too often portray this as a pillow fight because we know that Donald Trump will not only wanNA pillow fight but a verbal gunfight. which has let's make it all about personality? which make it make it all about who can issue the the Brash Statement Eightman on twitter as well in debate and the question is how do you counter that? And that's not a party issue. That's an issue for each of the candidates is an issue for each of the Senate and House candidates. It is an issue for American voters. And that is countering it by subway laying out to. Do you want a better healthcare system. Do you want your kids to have security as as they grow up. Do you want better education. Do you WanNa make sure that America actually doesn't just gut environmental regulations and if the answer to each of those. Yes that's where you take the advantage not by falling into what too often is a media laid trap of simply say all right. We want you to say something nasty about Donald Trump today. Because does he said something nasty about you in in related news president. Donald Trump will devote deliver his latest budget proposal. Later today. Won't do you expect so much. Do we know of what's to come well. Let's just what you just asked. I mean first of all what the budget is going to do in the headlines. And it's about a four point five four point six trillion dollar budget is. It's going to increase spending on defense. It is going to slash spending on almost every other American Department tolo about one point five trillion dollars in cuts now. The first headline off of that is agriculture cut State Department in diplomacy cut education cut infrastructure spending cut in other words. Donald Trump came into office in two thousand seventeen trying to push through twenty to thirty to thirty five percent cuts departments and it was the Democrats that prevented that from happening. We're back in that position again. And secondly why is he having to propose these cots because far from being fiscally responsible Donald Trump who inherited a budget deficit about six hundred sixty billion dollars now is closing on the one trillion dollar per year mark in deficit in other words. It's the fiscal irresponsibility. That trump has presided over. They gives you the opportunity tune in to challenge him on the issues rather than when we get to the general election now. What is the significance of this budget proposal considering that Democrats that's won't be backing it is? It was again about that narrative that's media coverage news headlines. Yeah absolutely because Donald Trump say the first thing is is that the trump administration Russian has never passed a coherent budget. They've been in office three years and they have had patchwork budgets that have been finally adopted after limited government shutdown and only a year ago after a record setting forty two day government shutdown because Donald trump insisted on money for his border wall. Now are we going to get agreement on a budget. This time know what we're going to get is one donald trump putting out the false narratives that he's being fiscally responsible after having been anything but that over the first three years and secondly he's GonNa pick out certain things like saying I'm going to give you the biggest most beautiful military in the world and I'm going to give you that wall with Mexico even if Mexico is paying for it and hope that those very simplistic messages or what people latch onto rather than the complexity of actually running a responsible government on a day-to-day basis and just finally before. Let's go county. Schools are your predictions in regards to tomorrow's Primary New Hampshire. Why don't predict this because it's a light open race? I'M GONNA a cop out at once. Since you've got five candidates that are there and let me just say that Bernie Sanders inputted Ash. Look like as they were in Iowa to be the top two if that is the case they've got the momentum going through February and into Super Tuesday in early March Elizabeth. Warren needs to have a decent showing at least a decent third place showing to keep her name in the mix Amy Klobuchar who broke through an Iowa who got twelve percent of the vote needs to do the same again if she does. She's part of the top tier and then Joe Biden that one time front runner fourth in Iowa. If he's fourth again tomorrow there are serious questions about not only whether he's the front runner but whether in fact he is actually got his nose level with the rest most of the pack. Scott Lucas. Thank you very much for joining us here. On Monaco. Twenty four and is no with a look at the day's headlines Spirit. Monaco SCARLATA. Roberto thank you. Marcus Irish nationalists. She and fine. How one more votes than any other party? In the country's general election the left wing's group hierarchy has described the result as a revolution evolution in the ballot box. The result is a huge blow to Ireland centrist but his thoughts chin-fang will struggle to form a government. Today's monocle minute reports sports. That Canada is launching a design competition to re imagine one of the most prominent sites in the country an entire city block opposite. Ottawa's parliament buildings. The eleven buildings are in need of major renovations and for more on the story do over to Monaco. Dot Com for slash minutes and the South Korean film parasite has been named Best Picture at this year's Oscars it means that it becomes the first non English language film to scoop the price monocle Nicole twenty-four culture correspondent for Nando Goose Asharq who has been up all night and we'll be joining us a little later in the program. Those are today's headlines. Finds back to you marcus. Thank you very much looser in the past few hours the UK government's passed declare to the corona virus our to break a serious and imminent mint threats to public health. It's comes as the number of reported deaths in China stand set more than nine hundred. Let's get the latest on this with Chris Smith who is consultant altuve virologist at Cambridge University. Welcome to the broker. Chris Oh first of all. What does this announcement by the UK? Government mean in practice. Well this this is more kind of a policy situation. It's telling everybody we are preparing. We're putting into certain set of arrangements so that everything thing is prepared. Should the worst happen. The plan in place is not saying wow. The risk is suddenly changed dramatically. The risk is always been there with doing more testing etc.. We'll find out more later this week. I suspect us to really what the background level of this is circulating the country. This is more kind of the government saying that we've got various positions in place whereas policies in place now so if anything does happen we're prepared for it. Why is it gives us announcement now than what kind of considerations have taken place before that? Well things have moved on a little bit haven't they. We've seen very large numbers of cases now declared in China. There's something forty thousand. People have been confirmed as having having this agent. We've got something like four hundred thousand people being watched contact traced by the Chinese authorities. And we're beginning to see pickup beyond the the shores of China last week for instance we had one individual who caught the infection in Singapore. They'd never been anywhere near China showing the infection isn't just outside China. It's actually outside China and is spreading outside China so that was a step change. We've also seen not not one not two but now we're up to eight cases of people from the UK who have been infected with this beyond the shores of the UK at this stage but again reaffirming the fact that did he spreading. And it's quite transmissible so I think this is now a showing that there is a ramp up in in risk and so people are saying we need to be prepared for it now. How much can you tell us about different plans? The UK government's may have in case. The situation gets worse worse over here. Well Caen explain what we're doing in terms of the monitoring and diagnostic side because I'm involved in and from that perspective across this week the information I've seen suggests that we should be slowly phasing in testing local abort tree level now. What that means is that instead of samples arriving At a hospital say and being transmitted down to London where a centralized testing facility can look for this agent. The fortress in networks across the country will have their own. I'm tests so that. They can very quickly process samples from patients without the need to transmit them with a big delay down to London. Get tested set in the back so that is going to help to streamline nine not just monitoring which is going to be important but also getting a good measure on how many people might have this also getting an understanding of how we we can better control and coordinate efforts locally because the sooner we can give results to people with the sooner we can reassure them but be we know what to do with them because if a person needs to be isolated they can be isolated. A person doesn't spend ages in isolation using facilities or wasting their time waiting for a result. We keep the country moving so I think getting the testing is going to be the the first priority. And that's coming this week. We hope the total number of deaths in China has now reached nine hundred and eight and that is more during the SARS epidemic in two thousand to two thousand and three. How would you describe the situation? We're seeing now. What is the situation with the corona virus worldwide? Wii at the moment well the the fine grain data we have is coming from China because obviously there ahead of the curve in terms of hitting their first other countries including this one where tendons be reactive to where people have come from when they have symptoms so case definition here in the at the moment is question. One have symptoms. We'll have you been in contact with someone who has question to have you been in or were they in one of nine risk areas and those areas where they know the diseases circulating collecting at the moment so there may well be Z.. Circulating here on the streets of Britain and we wouldn't know at the moment because we're not going finding random people and testing them because we haven't had the testing Pakistan that would demolish our system. That's why but the point is that the chances are as we begin to look more. We're GONNA find more so more countries with more testing and Awada case definition is probably GONNA show an escalation now. The big question is always still lag. Phase as in China took a wall to give up its numbers before before they started to grow the way that they have recently is the rest of the world in that position did China export enough cases of this to other countries before we knew about it that there is already seething around the world and I suspect that probably was of cases of this. So it's going to slowly grow in smolder and then the numbers will start to climb. We don't know what the Matthias kind of I think what the next week or so is going to show us as we begin to look more but do we know how efficient the sometimes trucco Nian prevention measure have been so far. Well Yeah you're right to call it your Conan. I mean look what China's doing they've got people confined to their homes There were situations where people Philippine told you not allowed out. One designated family member is allowed to go shopping every couple of days. No one else can leave. No one can go to work and the repercussions of this is going to be quite considerable. Obviously the social ones. There's people who might be vulnerable. Who's caring for them? If you if you coke it out the house. There's going to be the psychological things you're going to get you know we're talking about people on boats stuck on in six thousand people stuck on a boat with that doesn't redefine cabin fever or what does and then you got the situation where We we don't know how this is going to spread yet so at the moment is it's really uncertain and so- China have resorted these really quite severe measures and the spraying the streets with no call it at all. But some kind of disinfectant with drones and with other sort of cannons to try and cleanse the areas and reduce the race and it has brought numbers down a bit in China but other countries couldn't possibly do China all doing and China is still just a still not not controlling this. They've still got two and a half thousand cases a day that that dog nosing with it so I think it's early days to say exactly. How far is GONNA go moment? Chris Smith from Cambridge University. 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This result is a huge blow to Ireland's centrists but it is thought Sheen Fain will struggle to form uh-huh governments gwent. And could you. I put all this in perspective perspective. How big of a change is this for the Republic of Ireland's politics? It's huge which I mean it. It really is quite dramatic because the two party Ally well to party exchange between Finn AFFOIL engine Asian again has been running the country ever since independence one hundred years ago so for Shin Fain to broken through who as an outsider. An actually came out with more First Choice votes than either of the other parties is quite extraordinary. So that's one thing the second thing about it is it's shown the country very divided because the Xinfang votes were overwhelmingly picked up from the younger voters under under under thirty five They got disproportionately more whereas the older voters all went with the older parties says division Dan the country and thirty who's going to be able to form a government because there are huge differences between Jean Vein. And the other birdies. There are many many questions as we have to wait for the but Terry what is your impression. Why did she faint do so? Well what has changed. What are the factors? I think partly it's a sense that the other two main parties are in a sort of a central consensus that not much shifted between them. Were you know whoever is in government. I think one of the main issues that came up certainly domestically in Ireland is The housing crisis. There's a sense that you know the price house. Prices rose so fast so quickly and despite the economic crash later on when some of them fell back again that it's still very hard for particularly for young people to get on the housing market. They're also issues about healthcare And Xinfeng in came along as a as a different voice promising that they would be able to do things differently. And I think there's a there has been a concern particularly among younger people that finding jobs finding housing getting decent healthcare Is is one of the things that they're worried about Quentin which you had something to that. Well I mean that's it. They should find a photo very sensible and clever the campaign in picking on those issues which people were most concerned about they even went a little bit for the old grey vote at the end by picking up on the pension issue and sound so. Oh that they've they've they fought a clever campaign what they didn't fight on but his Co. ought to them of course is Irish unification. They just put that sort of quietly early to one side but having said that Irish unification is absolutely core to what they stand for and if they were to come into a coalition Russian government. Now that would be very interesting shift of emphasis so much. Does this have to do with Brexit. It doesn't doesn't I mean at one level. It doesn't because is this was basically executives Terry said on this was domestic issues having said that I was listening to one of the feigned successful candidates this morning and he said but Brexit exit changed everything. It was a real shift in a in the entire. SORTA political background to Arlington Heat. made it possible for the first time to vote for a party. That was a nationalist party in favor of unification precisely because the Brits had gone and done the same. Hey they'd gone and voted for a nationalist solution and in a way they portrayed the unionists in Northern Ireland with the Brexit. Deal that Boris Johnson. At dumb seven Kevin was wide open. Now we should remember that we are talking about supported US historic links to extreme violence on the island of Ireland's Terry. What does that mean in twenty twenty after that election result we are now seeing? Well I think you know. The days of violence are long since gone. And if you look at Northern Ireland in particular Web Shin Fain of worked together with the DP installment. Obviously that had been suspended for a while L. and now coming back into government you know they are they have been a party of government In the north certainly For a very long time now And I think certainly as Quentin said all they brexit might not have been at the origin of Many people's votes version fain it certainly once we get a government once we get discussions about a coalition. It will influence what happens going on with because one of the big outstanding issues that needs to have some form of solution before the end of the year is is what is the status of Northern Ireland with regards to the rest of Britain in terms of trade in terms of What kind of relationship they have with the different government government in place in in the republic that is going to influence the discussions that go on Between between Britain Ireland so depending on you know it's unlikely at the moment the other parties are saying they don't want to go into coalition mission fain. We don't know how it's GonNa play out whether there might be another election but whoever comes to power we'll have to take in a t take different views into account so it may make those kind of discussions different. How realistic are responsible? Have the election promises. Zeus of Shin Fain Banqueting. Arpey writes a call. That's Party a populist movement. Well yes to up to an extent there. There are nationalist populist pillows movement and then nationalism is their core are they a left wing populist movement also to an extent but they been quite clever in not really having to show their hand on quite a lot of issues so you know what's their stance on immigration or what's their stance on gay rights will. The truth is those deals haven't been central. It'll say they've been pushed to one side so I think they're a populist party. I think the most likely outcome now. I'm really sticking my neck is probably Lia coalition between Finn Affoil Anchin Fain but he will be very difficult to make it work the sort of policies that Shin Fain have been pushing have been to get rid of the very low corporate taxation in Ireland and to actually increase that now that something that will please Paris and Berlin very much but it won't please the traditionalists in uniform and Syndicale who've lived on that low tax rate to encourage investment to come to Ireland. Alad said what's GonNa Happen to investment coming to Ireland Prime Minister Saad Garas again and again ruled out forming a coalition. What do you think is he going to be showing some flexibility ability about that? Nah I don't think he will. I think the man who might show flexibility is may or may not in the leader of Finna foil and he's been quite carefully over the weekend not to commit himself lever. I think representing a economically Conservative Party would find it incredibly difficult to govern wishing fine Roy I think his own position is very very weak moment. I mean he only won his own seat in his own constituency on the fifth count of the votes so whether he stays as the party leader in his his own feature is certainly in question so whether he's the person that's ended up negotiating this either is is also up for grabs on if we see a coalition including Ashim Fain. How much more difficult will thus be to deal fourth for Boris Johnson? Quite to the current setup. We see an island. I think he will make clearly More difficulties us it means about is Johnson will actually have to learn a bit about Irish politics. Elect to have to pay attention which I don't think he's done up till now but of course what he's done in agreeing. The withdrawal agreement is do a deal that everybody was reasonably happy with an island because because he does mean that in a border won't come back and so that's been pushed to one side. I think now the British again of find it very difficult to sit down and talk to a government that includes a people who they will see as having been supporters of the IRA. That I think getting to make it in personal chemistry very difficult and his finding before we move on. Terry President of Xinfei Mary Lou McDonald has called for a referendum orig- independence. What do you think is this looking increasingly likely referendum on Northern Irish independence? I mean I think it again. It depends what role if any that she has to play in the government It depends on how How the Stormont Assembly plays? I mean it is yet another potential problem. Further down the line looking at Scotland already talking about wanting a further independence referendum. It's another it's going to be another issue for Johnson. How do you keep The Union together when you've got such different views particularly on Brexit in different parts of the United Kingdom. Let's then continue to Germany. Where unagreed crump connor umbrella? The leader of the Party has announced. She's stepping down from her post. And that's you won't Iran for chance today. Next year's election eat had been widely expected that she would be following Angela Merkel's footsteps Gwent in how big of a surprise announcement. It isn't it. Isn't I think that it was inevitable that she was probably going to pull out of the race in in the next coming months because she was just looking weaker and weaker in her position She's popularity ratings had been falling steadily. And what's happened. Most recently of course is that she's just been shown not to have the capacity to discipline the Party and hold the line because her her party in the state of the ring year Had actually gone and voted with the AFDC to put an alternative government in power there of the Liberals so She was looking pretty weak. But I'm still pretty amazed that she's gone now because it leaves the race to be the CD you leader in the CD candidate for Chancellor Counselor wide-open and that means that German politics is GonNa go through a prolonged period of drift. So what went wrong. Why was she? He's struggling with authority. Take I suppose the the really difficult thing is whoever comes next after. Wrangler Merkel has such big shoes to fill. She has stood over German politics for such a long time that whoever is the next leader. It's like when a new football manager comes in everybody. ooh says they were worse than the last one even if everybody hated the last one and wanted to get rid of them at the time she has got big brutes to fill. She is possibly wasn't everybody's first. Choice for leader she. She narrowly won the leadership and she just hasn't managed to Impose herself as a character and to to fill that space. I think a very small state. She she doesn't have many troops if you like on the ground and so although I think that in character she was always described as many mackel rather similar automatic. Oh the truth is the party. Wanted a change. I think from Mexico so she never got the real support. She won't needed exactly. I was going to ask about that. Actually she was considered to have been handpicked by Anglo America as a success That didn't work for her case. Benefit did it identity get did and that's the real no question now about who's going to get the succession. Is it going to be if you like. A Pro Merkel or an anti meko person and second absolutely fundamental question. Is it going to be a person who shifts shift the party to the right to try and head off the growth of the alternative Dutch land this much further right party that has grown particularly in East Germany mini so. That's the question that the leadership race now will have to determine an and I think Quentin touched on it. They're one of the things that shows us is still how very a regional German politics is if you look at during during in the old East Where the politics is quite polarized between the very left wing party Linka income and And the far right the F. D. and then you've got undergrad com car about who comes from Ceylon which is in the West on the French border. She's always been someone looking more towards the the West and Angela Merkel has somebody from the former east was has been able to sort of bring the country together a bit more than you do have to look at people's powerbases them where they are in the country. In which part of the country they represent and that's always quite difficult Balanced within Germany and the system is set up that way to give the regional governments quite lots as a pound. So I'm going to put my money on the successor actually being Amin Lash it the Prime Minister of North rhine-westphalia the most populous state state in the country. WHO's won election? He's shown he can do it and suddenly he's played his cards very carefully and he won't be seen as an anti- not Marco candidate but he will be different. You mentioned what happened in the last week. What we saw shutter to political taboo in Germany where mainstream parties have vowed never to work with the anti-islam anti current policy? If we look at these things more widely can we see that symptomatic of a wider willingness amongst EU centrist parties to deal with the far right for example. How it seems that's McCoy's is is trying to seem a bit friendlier with Polish leaders for example? I think that they don't know how to do it. They don't play their cards. I mean my can't one level has got a very real real threat from the far-right in France with the phone ASEAN Allen Million Lapan. So he's he's still very much a man of the center but he's also got to show that he can deal with autocrats another's he's not just You know get to spurn them and I think they're funnily enough a few. Have the dilemma that his bone pin both the case for Matkal the CD you in Germany and for the traditional parties we were talking about in Ireland and with Tim Fain they have ostracized these outer parties. These more extreme parties that we cannot deal with them under any circumstances. So they're going to have to learn to do that so in East Germany. You've not just the ISD on the right. But you've got the Lincoln on the left and suddenly the traditional regional parties were squeezed in the middle and they couldn't get a majority without dealing with one of the other and considering the announcement we've got from a cake okay. What do you think that is going to do for the party on its popularity do think this is damaging? Well I think you know over the next few weeks it's going to be sort of a lot of jostling for oh position and you've seen that it's already started between the different candidates including your arm in lashes to Clinton just mentioned and spun and as you know free mets. You sort of talking about coming back from his job in high finance. which possibly isn't isn't the approach that people want particularly when you're trying to deal with populace that is not necessarily the best place to be starting from so I think there will be a lot of kind of In Berlin I saw in one German newspaper article talking about the the Berlin Shark tank can help how people trying to survive in the Berlin Shark. Tank so that will be focused but more broadly they've got to look ahead to the next elections and to try to in a workout. Who is in a winning position potentially for that and the you know but then again the? SPD's is still also suffering the center left party. They're not doing well either. They're so having difficulties over and look where they came in tearing a elections they won't eight percent Which is absolutely disastrously low? So you know. This is relatively in a reasonably strong position particularly given they've been in power for so long. What do you think about this? By the way suspect that one level she's thinking Oh God I just wanted to get away from this and get out of it all in the back of my mind I can see my God pat she. Somebody's GONNA come to. I'd say please stay. We let you go but I think that she actually is pretty keen to go. Don't lose sight of one of the party in this whole take the party. That's really rising fastest in Germany. The Greens rub it. How believe CO leader of the Greens was in London last week count huge support and applause rose from the audience at the London School of Economics? That he was talking. Do they see him as the future and finally a very big storm caused disruption to the UK yesterday today interrupting transport infrastructure flooding homes and disrupting travel plan us. It wasn't all bad though US one pilot was able to set a new transatlantic Muncie subsonic record flying his British Airways flight into Heathrow in just four hours and fifty six minutes for others. It wasn't such a boon here kacoos owned denny obeyed on his horror flight back from Zurich. What looked to be a routine flight was made ever more interesting when the pilot Alad even before we boarded the plane came on the PA system at Zurich Airport To make a little announcement which is always curious and he apologized for everyone that I wouldn't be having their baggage put on the plane because we were told we were going to have to take multiple passes at landing Heathrow. Even before we took off they knew it was going to be Bumpy Windy and very rocky in the end three passes at Heathrow with no landing just a lot of white. KNUCKLING and a lot of very very nervous passengers. I was in row ten almost sick and certainly white as a ghost. We decided then to go to Manchester but then they said well actually. The weather's now better back around Heathrow. So let's have another go at it and with nerves of steel. I cannot believe in that wind with the plane being rocked all around. He actually made this landing but he nailed it to a huge round of applause from some very relieved passengers. Monaco Daniel Beige Hut. The worst flights of his you saw if yesterday I want to do you have any comparable experiences my Mo- I think the worst I am. I am a good flier normally but in those circumstances on so even just listening to Daniels experience made me feel a little bit queasy. Worst one was pretty extreme Flying in small plane We had taken off from Kigali. Charlie in Rwanda. We were going to Goma in Democratic Republic of Congo where there was a volcano erupting Because I was with TV colleagues they wanted to get some pictures of the because of the volcano erupting so we had to fly in a very small plane around the crater of the volcano several times in order to get the shot and oversee because the hotter was coming up. The the plane bounced up and down over the volcano CREIGHTON. I didn't see any of it because I was in the back of the plane being sick. I'm afraid Terry I think the more you fly the. Let's see like it is terrifying experiences. Were probably in the former Soviet Union flying with beloved airflow or indeed once with the Soviet military a plane we flew back flying back from the Afghan border and as we were coming in to land they try. They got us all to leave a seat. Strap that thing down the side of the plane and shuffle more and more forwards to the front of the plane and we were all thinking what on earth is going on and we had to literally practically twenty risk cram into the cockpit to land. Has the we'll fall enough at the back. Oh what are we doing so investigate. I was very nervous but we did get a to think these kind of stories and what we saw happen yesterday work as a good advert for trains. Yes probably I think the trains have had just as many problems Look at Euston station completely full of people trees coming down on the lines not as dramatic and bumpy but this little have foregoes. Is it getting into terrorist. ESPN QUINTON field. Thank you very much for joining us here a monocle twenty four And here on the briefing. We continue with the latest business. Headlines with Bloomberg's burks UN ports you and China's government has been announcing financial measures. To deal with the fallout from the Corona Virus goody sell small mark assist China's health authorities get scripts with the growing crisis of the Krona Vars. The country's central bank is to provide the first batch of special relending funds in an attempt to comeback some of the economic effects of the virus. Now the the outbreak has continued to hammer retail spending and industrial production. Economists have been downgrading that growth forecast for China China. As a result of this we heard from S. and P. at the back end of last week saying that they think the Chinese economy will grow by just five percent over the course of this year far far slower than we've I used to in China now under the funding facility nine major national banks some local banks will qualify for the special funding and the PBS. The People's Bank of China says that those institutions then speed up the review process for loan applications and release loans within two days so this is an effort to speed up funding for businesses. Assist in the wake of the trouble. We've seen in the corona vars and looking at the other top news headlines Today the tech sector is also in the crosshairs. Yeah one of the key sectors which we need to watch over. The course of this news story is the tech produces now the company Foxconn which makes the majority of the world's roads all phones has already begun preparing esters for the potential bedlam. When hundreds of thousands make their way back to factories? Now the company is based just a couple of hundred miles from from the center of the epicenter of the current avars outbreak. So it is very exposed to these problems now. The company the Apple Apple Voice important supply partner faces daunting Tausif securing enough workers despite the widespread transport blockades and the Koren's of thousands of people and perhaps out it faces the nightmare scenario of an on campus epidemic could and up shutting down production all together now the the virus that really illustrates the increasingly central. China plays in global manufacturing global supply chains from everything from clothing chemicals to automobiles and especially in technology. Just about every major piece of consumer electronics has made in China sticker on it even if it does not have made in China stick them any of the components. Many of the bits of the Tech products we use. We'll have had some origin in China to quite how this is going to be affected over the coming weeks as factories struggled to get their stuff back back. I think we just don't quite know yet but really a story to watch. Thank you very much for this. Update that was Bloomberg's pulse joining us here in the briefing Kosovo steel is interest by scores of countries. More than a decade on from its unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia and Belgrade even claims to have persuaded more than a dozen countries to revoke their recognition. So the opening offer new embassy in Pristina. We'll be seized donors array of lies in the diplomatic darkness. Japan is putting super uh open a full-scale diplomatic mission this year. Now the question is award. Good that mean for Kosovo our man in the Balkans Guide Lonnie offices offices thoughts also currently needs all the friends. It can get a dozen years old. From the euphoria of its unilateral unilateral declaration of independence. It's stuck in the debilitating diplomatic limbo. It can no longer claim to be newborn. Has the ICONIC MONUMENT IN PRISTINA PUTS IT. And it's tween agers approving to be a particularly trying time recognitions haven't just stalled they've gone into reverse so while Kosovo's his athletes and footballers may be able to compete on the international stage. It's diplomats still. Don't have a seat at the United Nations. What's more it's young people leaving being in droves? They've lost hope in the dream of a prosperous independent future and they've lost faith in politicians who are heroes when they fought with the Kosovo Liberation Army. But who's feat of clay have been all too obvious. Since they entered government only masochists look towards Serbia. It enjoys the support of both Russia and the China neither of which recognised Kosovo Serbia is also on the path to membership of the European Union. People from Kosovo still need a visa to travel bulla. Ian Bancroft is a veteran of numerous international missions to Kosovo and he's just published dragon's teeth tales from north Kosovo does it constant graduate outflow of people. And there's enormous concern Ponti because countries like Germany Slovenia Austria Switzerland. rulemaking it easier and easier to get work permits and it's twenty years. Since the end of the war in Kosovo and people have not enjoyed the dividend of peace. The day expected so warming up. Its relationship with Japan would seem like a smart move by Kosovo. It's certainly been investing plenty of diplomatic capital President Accident Hashem Thatcher visited Tokyo twice in the space of a month last autumn on both occasions he was received by Prime Minister Abe Shinzo as for Japan in Bancroft says opening an embassy in Kosovo is the belated expression of the long term interest. They had a very active representative in Belgrade. Who who frequently McCain downswing choir about the realities of life for those where I lived in Metro Visa and for countries so many thousands of miles or kilometers away? I was quite intrigued by this. This level of interest in in the mundane day to day shenanigans of local politics and local security dilemmas in quite impressed by the level of representation that the Japanese embassy had on the ground. The big question is whether this relationship will provide anything more substantial than a short term boost to Kosovo diplomatic ego. Japan is hardly a major investor. The venture of note note is head on on mushrooms. It set up shop on the south side of the ethnically divided the town of Metro visa. That's handy for locals craving there. She took a fix. But it's certainly not the kind of investment in industry or infrastructure that Kossovo needs Andean. Bancroft says the Japanese players may find it hard to break into a scene that's been dominated by well-connected Western outfits Western countries have been never twenty years. Customer owns its independence to these people and this is why you know the US it does get the big road building contracts and you know the to rebuild the power plant as open each. I mean there is a sort of western capture. Cheer of of a lot of the big tenders. Their own. Big private initiatives in in Kosovo. So it's very. It's very difficult for the Japanese to even get into in that sense. Japan's ends influences navigate to counterbalance Russia and China and the US and European Union will remain the key players in Kosovo but people will be hoping that increasing diplomatic matic involvement will bring some tangible benefits and Kossovo could certainly do but those for monocle watching events in Pristina Ongai DELAUNAY. Thanks to guy. It's twelve forty five here in London. 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Yes I've got the allegation we've been talking a fair amount about about Germany of course because of I think come convoys decision. The CDS leader decision to step back as a chancellor candidate and from the party. What struck Tuck me about this piece In fine food item is essentially. It's a piece that was of course written before this announcement And so it's a piece that basically basically is an is an op-ed telling her to get her act together on the Defense Ministry and ironically this is the one position that she's kept while she's gotten the other positions and so she has her work cut out for her when it comes to the Defense Ministry and the State of military preparedness in Germany. And so this article really looks at the struggles that she's going to face in that in that area and It actually looked at it in a way of of arguing. She will need this in order to Polish her chancellor credentials shows but in this case she'll just need it to to to improve Germany's type preparedness all the main issues when it comes to the German pepper redness. So it's it's very a fascinating because it's not necessarily just about money and that's what striking Germany has started to spend a lot more on its military over last four or five years than I used to but there's a lot of bureaucracy that is causing all of these problems installing in getting equipment to the military and the personnel. And so you have in this article from from Pity Costin's all these examples of things like VW buses that are being used in place of the military tanks for training and the same with it's sort of Helicopters that are being used from traffic Instead of fighter fighter helicopters because they simply don't have enough supply. Let's continue with with your other pick from today's international newspapers and up. Next you've got to the Times I've got the LA times and this is a more of a good news story which I think we could use out of the. US these days It's actually an example of bipartisanship so the headline is unlikely allies. Push the White House toback cleaning pollution from the Tijuana River It's the story about this problem. That has been existing for decades millions of gallons of raw sewage and trash of flowed from the to Ana River to the Pacific Ocean founding fouling beaches angering southern Californians and getting worse by the year is the lead to this story and it talks about the fact that there was actually a bipartisan effort between Democrats crats and Republicans Republicans San Diego's Republican Mayor There was awesome effort between the US and Mexico as a result of the new trade deal between the two to actually get three hundred million dollars Authorized as part of the trade in the new trade deal to improve a treatment plants. That could actually tackle this his problem and so it was just an interesting example that you know there is some level of bipartisanship that still exists today. Well that's good to hear. I wonder how big of a project checked the list is grand when it comes to how to fix thoughts reports to clean it up. It is but it's a well what's interesting is it's a fair amount amount of money and it is a lot more as a result of this bipartisan. Push them when might have expected before so the story says. Initially the White House offered only about forty million as a starter because of this bipartisan effort. Both from the Mayor Republican mayor in San Diego and others it was pushed up to three hundred million which is actually a serious effort to deal with this and then one more story Lori actually across many many newspapers around the world how to name storms. And at least Germany's got an interesting logic to it. Yes so this struck me of course when I was reading through the German newspapers and realized that they were not calling the meteorologists would know this already but it struck me that they were calling the storm sewer storm Sabina rather than storm Kiara as the British and many any others use And it's interesting. Both the fact that Europe cannot agree on a common name even though the whole point of naming storms is supposed to be to raise public public awareness and what Germany actually does is it. Lets you name it yourself so you can actually buy yourself a storm to be named. How'd you do that? Apparently it costs about Two hundred euros To name a storm depending on high pressure or low pressure it's done by the Arado Meteorological Institute in Berlin And the other interesting fact that I found about this is apparently Male storms used to be high pressure. Storms were high pressure weather events which were positive. Low pressure was female until the two thousand when they decided to alternate because of complaints that men were getting all the good weather and women were getting the bad weather so now the alternate each year ear on whether male storms are low pressure or storm. The Amazon fresh. I'm still really curious about the specs of buying a storm. A naming after yourself so if this storm is battering Europe at the moment if it's called Sabina in Germany so is there a Sabina. There was actually bought that for herself. There is her name name is Sabina Kaufman from what I saw this story. There's no other really information from her but all you can see from the This is the university in Berlin. That does this You can see all the names. They're they don't necessarily have to provide any other information but yes SABINA. Kaufman is is supposedly responsible. Thank you very much for that. Interesting selection of new stories from today's is newspapers that Chris germ and finally today's broker am. We're off to the Oscars and the Oscar goes to parasite or aside. I'm speechless needy. We never imagine sir ever happen. We are so happy. Many many surprises last night in Los Angeles at the Oscar Awards monocle spend spend. Montenegro has been watching what was going on on television and hasn't slept the whole night and he's over here now in Midori House studio wants to give us an update on the the most significant developments. So obviously I we have to talk about the South Korean film parasite it made history by becoming the first non English language language film to be named the best big show. Tell us about the significance of this. Well it's hugely significant. Marcus I have to say is not every every year that come here saying that the Oscars were historic. But he they were you know. I think it shows how You know because the Oscars the added a series of new voters tourism and not only ethnic minorities but are all also people from all over the world from Asia from Africa from Europe And they did it in quite large numbers and I think that's perhaps one of one of the reasons why Perez I did so well but there's another reason why did soil because the famous fantastic the film's original is fresh even even if you compare if the order eight best picture nominees. I think it totally deserved. I'm not saying the other firms are bad. But I think Peres brought something new to the academies and and I think could be remembered as one of the kind of more war v a winners for best picture without revealing too much about Dr Phil. What do you think makes it so fresh and makes it's there's something different well first of all director Bone joon-ho? He's a fantastic Iraq too so he made a story about a class struggle between a very wealthy vs South Korean family and a poor one You know I can't tell can give to any spoilers. It's a mix of comedy drama trailer and of course we all know that he's a fantastic director. We we say that. Of course it's new South Korean films winning all those Oscars but Beijing has a very long career. Even even Hollywood. He did a films like there's no Piercer for example which required acclaimed so? I mean. He totally deserved and the film is excellent. In my opinion I'm very. We're happy because they tend to disagree with some of the previous best picture winners Marcus. Well let's look the other winners from last night's any surprises how Well on the acting. Nominations not nominee surprise me. We got actor Hawking Phoenix actress arenas aware go with her great role. As Judy Garland in Judy. I was surprised action. The screenplay categories I mean adapted screenplay went to Gioja Rabbit The favourite for. Ah that one was little woman So again another surprise original screenplay I thought actually was going to go for Tarantino for once upon on a time you Hollywood but guess went for parasite again So that shows what a strong night for parasite has he been. Do you think something has no change. I do think the success of parasite for example makes it likelier that also in the future non English language films can do really well well. It definitely actually makes it more likely but again preside might be a little bit of an exception. I think has been a combination of factors But you know I've mentioned this morning last last year we had Roma You know he didn't win best film but he did very well You know it was a big kind of Netflix production. So I think we might see more international films because you know it is a local kind of ceremony in the US. You know mainly American films but the world cares about who wins the Oscars you know and I gene. They are smart enough to pay attention to the other audiences around the world and was again the ceremony we saw last night. It didn't have a host. Do think the vents needs one. Our hosts hosts need. At least. I've changed my mind because last year said posts are needed because it was a very entertaining ceremony. This year was a bit clunky and I did Miss A host because sometimes if felt the event was a bit kind of lost you had the presenter who was introducing the presenter who is introducing a music performance hormones so it was all a bit clunky my opinion I think it would be lovely You know forget a good comedian Sorvino if the academy we will continue this kind of host list. This shows I I did change my mind cause last year. They've done it well this year. Perhaps not. So tell me. About the best speeches so most emotional moments of the evening foresaw. Your thoughts won't besides the surprise for parasite for best picture. I loved Laura Dern a winning for best supporting actress I mean. We all knew she was going to win. But it was lovely. She comes from the very traditional Hollywood family. Her father's brewster and her mom. Diane Ladd and shoot. She was there actually in the audience. And you know it was just heartfelt. Felt there was nothing new or controversial speech but I thought it was. I thought it was perhaps the greatest speech of the evening any other amazing moments well and again news quite interesting seeing working fix winning for best actor he was rambling a little bit. But you know it adds a little bit of you know caller to to the to the to the the whole event even though it was a bit confusing his speech was not as good as the one he When he won best actor at the BAFTA but again Peres eight? It was the main surprise of the evening. And it's interesting to see him because he beats like you know Quentin Tarantino once upon a time you Hollywood. Martin Scorsese the Irishman so very important important names in Hollywood and just finally Fernando. I know that it's tradition for you to stay away to watch. The ceremony and enjoy was the best way of doing well. How do you organize a great Oscar Party? I assume first of all you need to have champagne a thing. That's if you have pain you're sort it okay. Simple wisdom's thank you very much. That was Monaco Fenland Augusta. And that's awful. Today's edition off the briefing. The show was produced by reese. James or gusting didn't much alario Carlos Rabelo. It was researched by Nicholas. To me. And our studio manager was Steph too. I am Markazi. Thanks for listening and by phone. Now Yeah

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