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"jelani cobb" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

01:33 min | Last month

"jelani cobb" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

"Winners deserve ice cream. But look i get it. You gotta do what you gotta do to stop covert and who knows. This could even create excitement after the game and here it is harder going for a high five rejected rejected by security guard name stanley at the same time though we'll just ready to make a difference. I mean i'm all for covert safety but these guys have been sweating and breathing on each other for two hours already. And then they call shake hands handing out condoms as people are leaving your orgy. Remember to be safe. Remember to be. That was fun guys. remember debate. Save remember the that was dope. This just shows how covert has turned the whole world upside down. You know players are now getting into trouble for being nice to each other like you. Better hold me back. I'm about a hug. I respect you saw. I would argue right now anyway between the pandemic and all the incentives around the presidential election they have been all sorts of stories that we just haven't had time to talk about but they've kind of gotten stuck in my brain and i thought well maybe i could unstick them by sharing them with you. For instance he has some big news. You might have missed out of russia. Aka mean. canada vladimir putin's fiercest critic lexi. Who was nearly poisoned to death. Returning to russia at immediately detained a dangerous gamble for one of putin's most vocal critics and he was arrested minutes.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

02:14 min | 3 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"You know somewhere to the left of where they would be normally out and ultimately will bound up in the middle and that didn't happen on immigration in one of the rationales was that the number of deportations that took unto took place under obama was that he was trying to tack to the right to give republicans room to tack to the left. That never happened and you know even the point where he was going through the conversation but chuck grassley about what he could get on the healthcare. Like what kind of bill could you vote for new like we none none none. So joe biden should not go down the path of moderation in your view. Well i should say this. If he goes on the path of moderation it should be because that is the best imp on a particular issue because then the most viable half but not because not teach equations right exactly not for to destroy strategic reason That they may be reasons that you need to tack to the left on some issue that maybe a. But as a kind of general presumption that you can navigate between the shoals of left and right in a right down the center I don't think that's reasonable. And the other thing about discrediting the election. Which was the equivalent of birtherism calving instilled in people's minds. The idea that joe biden did not win the election that he cheated he can now be viewed as an illegitimate president and treated essentially the same way. That barack obama's and so i think that they should go into it with Kind of presumption. Johnny comp kept you way longer than you are to be on the show but i really thank. You was real treat. Thanks for being on invitation. My conversation with gilani cobb continues for members of the cafe insider community. Try out the membership free for two weeks. Head to cafe dot com slash insider again. That's cafe dot com slash insider. Well that's it for this episode of stay tuned. thanks to my guest. Gilani cop if you like what we do. Rate.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

09:12 min | 3 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"Police unions do i would think they would have the view of the people you're talking about from the sixties the members their rank and file members should be doing less so on that. Is there some some common ground. You know we've talked with isn't time 'cause my work talk with a few different people on this and i don't really have never gotten much on the sense of. We want police to have a smaller footprint. It's generally we want police to have a higher base pay and right not a lotta discipline met a lot of discipline you know. And we want these particular things but the the particulars of how you approach like smart policing. You're much more likely to find that with police chiefs. You know who are paid to think about those questions and think police unions are very often much more about the logistics of representing a group of city employees. You know who have particular interests and so yeah. I think that doesn't register at least in my experience not register very high on those list of concerns can ask you this question. It's a delicate one Do you think the following phenomenon takes place. And if so with what frequency and that is why activists take a position on behalf of the black community. Oh lloyd and without really consulting with the black. yeah discuss Oh yes we've all been there We have all been in the. Please stop helping moment. Describe some of those moments in what you mean by that. So before the summer you know where we saw a lot of this and even portland you know where You know my colleague at the new yorker mogul sin wrote a really interesting Insightful piece about the distance between antifa and black lives matter in portland in people kind of use those terms interchangeably but a lot of times. The blm people are concerned about some of the tactical things. Antifa people do that. They will ultimately be blamed for. And i've seen this more times than i can count I was out covering when troy davis was executed to the terrible day and this was two thousand twelve or two thousand eleven men. Enjoy lots of concerns about whether or not she actually was guilty. Some of the people who testified against him. You know tried to recant Intimidated to testify against him and he was set to be executed for murder. And i without there writing about it. This is in central georgia lived in atlanta at the time. And there's a group of black protesters lobbed significant group of black protesters and your smattering of white protesters and every police officer in the state of georgia. It seemed was down there like manning. The barricades in front of the prison where troy davis was to be executed and out of nowhere. One white kid it was about twenty it is early twenties. Who'd been like up in the cops faces and screaming. He walks back into the group. That's like a street in the police on one side of the street. The protestors on the side of the street and this is a fairly significant size three. Maybe a four lane street and he says let's rush the cops and goes running headlong into the police and i just want to say like all of the black people exchanged knowing look instead there while this guy it was almost comical so he goes running straight to the police like this one cop just grabs him by the way. Do you know a little kid. You put your hand your palm on his forehead when it was like that was like it was like that they turned them around or put him in cuffs and put them in a car. And i think that you know lots of murmuring happened after that people were just kind of like you know black person would say that because we understand like in this case that maybe the guy huma jew put you in coughs. That's not how the gulf ross. Another thing that made the news and another story that i was covering And this was around the trayvon martin. Death and or ferguson protests that was in union square and there were a group of white far left demonstrators. Start chanting pigs in a blanket. Fry like bacon. And i was there as a matter of fact i knew some of the activists who were they. I was voting people talking to them and they people saying you know somebody tells people about like to prompt more violence out here and you know. Sometimes you know in in the case of martin luther king you know there were points where you elicit a violent response because you wanted to show the world what you were dealing with this a tactical way doing that and that's not what people were doing mayor nor did it makes sense to do that at that particular moment and he certainly wouldn't do it by threatening by police officers lives in so that just that happens all the time anyone who's covered these issues continue that activists who've been involved can tell you that it is not an uncommon phenomena at all and some of that at play in the defunding police idea as well. No i think that is the defunding. The police idea is just something that got a lot of traction from a lot of different communities who would defining the term in different ways you know as in. We need police to have smaller budgets. Police departments that have smaller budgets. which for which. There is a reasonable argument. You can make very reasonable argument for that Last year the city chicago spent one hundred. Thirteen million dollars settling lawsuits. Yeah there's no way that you can look at the city of chicago. Said that they couldn't find something better to do with one hundred thirteen million dollars. I certainly could yeah various ways. And so if you're saying that you need to say like look we're no longer like the buck stops here along to just settle. These cases for egregious acts of violence that happening within the culture that sanctions it in police departments. I think that makes perfect sense. If you're talking about in some instances look police. Department budgets have exploded to being thirty percent. Forty percent of the overall operating budgets of cities are the real reason to look at that. And say is this. The best expenditure of our money and in newark is a particular idea that we want to spend money to make communities safer but they don't automatically assume that policing is the same thing as public safety and so you have neighborhoods. That are safer in those communities. Don't necessarily have more police Where they tend to have as more resources and so they're like maybe we can deploy funds and different ways that would obviate the necessity of police coming in the first place. You do things that a preemptive of these kinds of problems. And i think that that's you know kind of smart idea on the other side of it though. I'm as you know better than anybody else. We have eighteen thousand police departments in this country and a a handful of them. Have these gigantic budgets. Know kind of siphon off huge amounts of the city of funds but if you're talking about the average police department that has five or six years that doesn't necessarily apply or you know what it takes to reform police department. Sometimes you actually need to reallocate the money to reform the department so it it becomes a more a more complicated question simply saying you know slash their budgets in half before moving on from this. I want to ask you if you agree that there seemed to be some consensus across a pretty broad spectrum in the country. After the killing of george floyd at various things had to change and my questions are what happened to that moment has the moment passed and the people who say this bad phraseology defunding. Police perhaps hunter that moment. Would you say to those folks. Yeah so i. I have been covering police issues for a long time. Going all the way back to ahmadou tiao in new york city and nineteen ninety eight And what always happens. Is that the people protesting.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

06:40 min | 3 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"Cobb is my guest this week. He's a staff writer at the new yorker and a professor at the columbia journalism. School cobb recently helped produce a frontline documentary called policing the police and he spent years writing about police accountability. Today we talk about what is holding back real police reform. Joe biden's path to the presidency. And what are the media. Should try to understand trump voters gilani. Cobb welcome to the show. Thank you how was your thanksgiving. You were telling me about it before we started taping while it was interesting because we didn't travel and nobody came over and so it is. I mean just kind of the essence of what people say. It's like family being together. But it was a very honest. No what you would say like discreet. Grouping did eagle at you. Can you can say. I only hundreds of thousands of people will no. I don't even wanna talk about it. It was disgusting spectacle. That's the thanksgiving is four. Yeah ooh i will say this. I will say this is like a pie shop. I don't know if you can like advertiser whatever they may this pipe place called patisserie which is in oakland and I was raving about like how much. I love their pies and i did. A documentary with frontline had two documentaries. Front line this year. Yep about them. Yeah were wrapping. You know. I was going on about these pies. And so does ferry kindly. The people at frontlines sent me to of their pies as a kind of thank you parting gift at the end of the documentaries. I mean we got them. We thanksgiving what kind of the most amazing pies ever. they don't even sound like combinations that you would typically think of one was a raspberry pi with chocolate crust and the other was a pumpkin pie with the chocolate crust. Oh my god do you wanna take a moment and savor is when they have a moment to reflect all right. Let's let's think about the pies. Ask you this while you were stuffing your on thanksgiving. Did you take the day off from the news and politics or we used to engage that day involuntary in a so. it's try. i tried to check in periodically. Meaning every five minutes every five minutes. It'd be like the normal. But i check in a little bit in the morning Little in the afternoon and then at night after my children were asleep. You know just kind of keeping an eye and then also i think it's. It's kind of habitual. Not only for people who are news junkies but because the nature of the administration net. We're living under right now has been so much craziness happens at any given minute. That i was part of me was just like what do they have a bisley for thanksgiving but what are they going to do kind of want to fall behind. I mean there've been times where i've been away for like two hours and i come back. Comey was fired right. Those kind of things. I imagine that this is a little bit different for you. Because you someone who has a much clearer vantage point about the norms of government than just kind of average even average engaged citizen would have maybe maybe Part of the problem for people like you and me you write about the news about politics and about what's going on in the country in the world i speak about it. There's a limit to how much time i can take. I can maybe take a couple of hours off. But i know that the following week. I'm gonna have to talk about all the crazy stuff that went on right. So there's there's kind of no escape. We're we're trapped so. Let me ask you this question. Who is the president elect. Okay this is a trick question. No i just went over anybody from role in the background. I'm going to go with joe. I can go with biden. That's the correct answer. Let me ask. You have a very easy question. How did joe biden win both the nomination and the election take all the time you need so you. The most basic point of it was getting more votes than the other guy or the other women. Yeah and i think there was some things that facilitated him getting the nomination that would different than the things facilitated him winning the election. And you know what i mean by that. Is that a for lots of reasons. People seem to believe that everyone had to run as a kind of bernie sanders progressive. And you know or at least frame themselves. That and so you'll biden and guess. There are certain extent buddha judge We're really in the moderate centrist lane and if there was a reasoning that if the republican party had gone on a far to the right that gave democrats room to go far to the left you know especially on the economy income inequality in healthcare. You know those kinds of things. And i think at the same time. There were lots of voters particularly in biden's case african american voters who were wary of that idea. You know looking at what happened. In two thousand sixteen a significant slice of the at least the primary electorate was thinking we want the most palatable candidate possible. The person that is you know inoffensive to the most people and quite frankly. I think they were people who had concern that after having a nominated an african american men and then a woman of that the democratic party was the barrier. Breaking candidates were Going to necessarily face headwinds. I don't agree with that reasoning. Necessarily but i think that that was how people saw the question and so for for joe biden out. Once south carolina happened. It was pretty much over and it also brought up the other question. I was in south carolina and one of the things that seem to be after the case was maybe the early primaries. Maybe iowa and new hampshire ginned up a lot of drama and a lot of cliff hanger kinds of interest but they didn't really reflect what the bigger electorate was like in a certainly very few voters of color and either of those states and biden. The key to his victory in the primaries was that i think that's why he said that in that speech the.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on 600 WREC

600 WREC

08:19 min | 4 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on 600 WREC

"Make the point? What the heck was a simulation call over Why would they? Why would they be play acting on the zoom call? Is this what left us do for fun? Why would a magazine staff be doing this? Well. Jeffrey Toobin was masturbating in front of New Yorker Biggs, report says. Now he's the talk of the town. New Yorker writer CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin didn't just exposed himself during a zoom work, meaning he was allegedly caught. Masturbating in the call with some of the magazine's biggest names. He has now been suspended from the publication. I don't think CNN has a problem with this. They have not suspended if you heard I don't think they have a problem. I think they're probably applauding it. I think I think CNN. Oh, yeah, There's a great stuff. He said. I made an embarrassingly stupid mistake. Believing I was off camera. The 60 year old married Harvard Law School, Grand said in a stunning admission device. Which broke news of the incident on Monday. I believed I was off camera on a zoom call. I believe that I was not visible on zoom. I thought No one on the zoom call could see me. I thought I had muted zoom video who mutes video. I apologize to my wife. I apologize to my family. I apologized to my friends and co workers and I apologized to the Buyten's He didn't say that. But you know he's thinking it. Oh, is that right? Seeing him? Put him on leave. When did that happen? Couple hours ago. I'm is they put the pudding isn't interminable. Leave two weeks Leave. Just Ah! Split the scene for a while. Why we let the The heat. Below. Oh, he asked for some time off, right? He's got to go out and learn how to use a zoom obviously muted the video and it didn't get muted. Two people on the video call told Vice that the virtual Gavin this is where this gets curious to me. Two people on the video call told Vice the virtual gathering the zoom call Was part of an election simulation last week. That included New Yorker notables like Jane Mayer, Evan Osnos. Masha Gessen and Jelani Cobb, as well as producers from the magazine and W N Y C public. Really, What is An election simulation. Yet at the New Yorker. What I can't fathom what what? What does the New Yorker do? On Election Night? What An election simulation. The two sources said that at one point, it looked as if Toobin Was taking another call and lowered his camera and that's when they saw him getting to work on himself. It was unclear what if anything, others on the virtual call Saul during the simulation as nose had been playing the role of Joe Biden. Gessen was president Trump Jane Mayer represented establishment Republicans and she wouldn't know howto. Betray establishment Republicans if her life depended on it. And this Cobb babe Jelani Cobb stood in for the Democrats. Toobin was supposed to be playing the part of the courts. While Andrew Marantz represented the far right. Sue Halpern was the left and Dexter Filkins stood in from the military. Anybody have any idea what this could possibly have been? An election simulation. Were they simulating? What happens if Biden winds then doing a simulation of what happens if Trump wins? This is a very, very strange Bunch of people, folks. We've known this. This is a very, very strange thing for these people and remember, they think they are the brightest in the room. They think they're special. They think they are, in fact. Elitists grab audio sound bite number two. This is great. There is this. This is I think a great reaction to this whole New Yorker story and tube in and all that. Recently on YouTube turning point, US Ambassador Alexandra in Lane's posted the video. Explaining why people are voting for President Trump. And Just it's awesome here. If you're liberal and can't stand Trump can possibly fathom why anyone would want to vote for him. Let me fill you in. We can't stand you. You've done everything in your power to try and destroy this country by tearing down our police our borders our history. Systematically destroying our schools and brainwashing markets into thinking that socialism is the answer to everything. Demonizing religion and faith and glorifying abortion, violence and thug culture from calling us racist to expecting everyone of every color to follow our laws to ridiculing us for having the audacity to wish someone a merry Christmas or have a flag on the Fourth of July or stand for a national anthem or oh, the horror where Maga had out in public so much for your tolerance. We are voting for Trump not because he's the most charming character on the block, but because we vote policy over personality, and we're sick and tired of your divisive and destructive and Ingrid and intolerant behavior and beliefs parading around in some kind of woke nous. We are voting for Trump. Because of you there you have it. And in less than one minute this woman sums up. Why The left is so despised why everybody has a problem with him, but it's concise. It's ah, it's it's to the point. The reason we are voting for Trump is we can't stand. You mean, while they're out there, they're out there, claiming that they're trying to get anybody vote against Trump because of his personality. They're actually running a campaign. With a candidate who is putting forth not a single reason to vote for him. Joe Biden is not announcing an agenda. That's why doesn't draw flies doesn't generate crowds. There's no nobody knows. Other than when Biden let slip what his agenda is, but it's not the kind of agenda that you go out and you and you attract a crowd with people don't want the Biden agenda, which is why it's pretty much silent. So they're out there with Biden having no agenda. That he's willing to put his name to Trying to convince people to vote against Trump simply on the basis of his personality. We're supposed to ignore Trump's achievements. I'm supposed to ignore Trump's accomplishments. We're supposed to ignore Trump's love of country love of the American people. We are to ignore Trump's desire that this country become the great country at once, Wass We're supposed to ignore that. Trump wants that greatness because he loves the American people and wants everybody in this country to prosper. Yet none of that matters. We're supposed to ignore all that You're not supposed to vote for that, because this guy has a rotten personality. The truth is They're the ones burning down America. They're the ones loading property that isn't theirs. They are the ones that are destroying. Purposefully..

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Amanpour

Amanpour

05:55 min | 5 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Amanpour

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Amanpour

Amanpour

07:15 min | 5 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Amanpour

"Welcome to the program everyone I'm Christiane Amanpour back in our London studio this week now. Of, historic proportions ravaging America's West Coast, they continue to burn millions of acres across California, Oregon and Washington entire towns have disappeared and thousands of people being forced to flee their homes at least thirty five are dead and dozens are still missing the pictures seen all over the world show complete devastation in some areas, and of course, this is all set against the backdrop of pandemic that continues to kill hundreds of people every day the fingerprints of the climate crisis or all over these wildfires of course, teeing up a political brawl as Democrats accused president trump of. Denying that reality not only has the president tried to muzzle climate science and rollback safety regulations. But the same is true of health officials who disagree with him on Corona virus with nearly two hundred thousand Americans now dead these crucial tests of leadership will be decided at the ballot box. Come November join me now is Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth from Illinois a retired army officer who served twenty three years and was deployed to Iraq in two thousand four where enemy attacks have left her a double amputee Senator Duckworth welcome to the program. Thanks for joining us from Washington. Vice President Joe Biden's response to these fires has been very, very strong. He has. said that this is what's going to be. Destroying American neighborhoods not not race riots and the like. But this kind of thing, and he said this is what climate can give jobs or other tracking climate science can actually be a job creator rather than a job deniers as president trump says, what do you make of the vice presidents? Response. Well. He's showing good strong leadership, which is something we're lacking in the White House right now Christian you see a lack of leadership has led us to this place and I happen to agree with. Vice President Biden I, myself introduced my Marshall Plan for coal country, which would be a series of initiatives would bring technology and investments into coal country to help them transition to new forms of energy production. Illinois is a major energy state people think of as as an act state which we are, but we have fracking we have oil wells we have a wind power, we have solar, we have nuclear, we have it on. Illinois. Anna Energy is opportunity for us to get carbon neutral future, but also for us to develop the technology that creates those good paying union jobs, Gavin Newsom who the president is visiting in. California the governor has said to any climate denier just come to California, this is absolutely happening in front of our eyes and yet the president has talked so far about bad forest management and all it takes is good forest management. To corrected? What do you? What do you take from that and what do you think the president you know is going to be able to do because it is also a big election issue isn't it climate? I'm certainly young people both on the Republican side, and of course, on the Democrat side of very concerned about a serious of method of addressing this climate crisis. What we need I is a commitment to a carbon neutral future and we need to be energy agnostic and how we get there and whether or not you believe in climate change you should the evidence is here but as one of my military officers in general said to a bunch of us when she said I don't care whether or not you believe in climate change but the sea ice is melting the Arctic and that's opening up sea-lanes on Russia is there which means the US military forces will have to go up into areas we've never had to go to before to defend those territories. So I don't care if climate change the results are here and we're going to have to act. To resolve it and that's exactly what we are the wildfires here. You can deny it all you want, but you're not gonNA stop a wildfire. So we need to do better we need to get to that carbon-neutral future. We need to get a more efforts into conservation and we have an opportunity to create jobs doing it at a time desperately needs jobs in this country. So many many military commanders many many vets like yourself. A saying that climate is a national. Threat I just WANNA play a little bit of a of what the governor of California has said about this because what what's happening there is not just fires it's the record heat it's the aridity it's the death of trees. It's poison water poisoned air. This is what he said. Forgive me. I'm being a little bit. Long winded. But I'm a little bit. exhausted that we have to continue to bait this issue. This is a climate damn emergency. This is real. And it's happening. This is the perfect storm. It is happening on precedent ways year in year out. I mean, just the scene is apocalyptic there he is standing. In front of just you can barely see through the smog behind him. Do you think it's taken the president I mean a long time to address it. This is the first time he's going to be. Presumably, addressing it when he meets and talks with the governor. She's not leader. Donald Trump hasn't led anything his entire life all he's about he's taking care of Donald, trump this is something that needed leadership on day one instead of providing leadership on the climate crisis, he actually redrew us from the Paris accord we should be joining the perse accord. We should be making these investments and one hundred military bases will be underwater in the near future. You see what's happening in California It's loss of agriculture. It's loss of people's livelihoods, their homes depot devastated in neath leadership right now, not a guy who continues to try to downplay things because he thinks it's going to help them get reelected. And scientists. Now saying, this is not the new normal it's going to get even worse. I, mean what we're seeing now which is the worst it's ever since I could get even worse without any dramatic intervention I'm the vice president raise the issue of another four years of of president trump if he continued to roll back. Regulations and all sorts of environmental safety, and if they don't take this issue very seriously this is some of what the vice president said. We have to act as a nation. It shouldn't be so bad. The millions of Americans living shout of an orange sky. asking. Is Doomsday here. So, is that question is posed I wanna ask you specifically to sort of. Maybe, join the dots between what's happening in the denial of climate science by the administration, but also the denial of the severity of covert as we've seen, we've we've all been introduced to the president's. Issues through the Woodward Book Not Telling The American people when he knew how dangerous it was just the idea of selling and denying those kinds of life and death issues..

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on The New Yorker Radio Hour

The New Yorker Radio Hour

10:28 min | 10 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on The New Yorker Radio Hour

"This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Ramnik. There are things we don't know yet about the killing of Maud armory in Georgia and any trial. The suspects are entitled to the presumption of innocence. But this much seems beyond question to white men. One armed with a shotgun went in pursuit of a black man who was jogging. They later told police that they suspected him of some break. Ins in the neighborhood. There was some type of interaction and Travis McMichael shot and killed a Motte Aubrey but local prosecutors. Didn't see shooting is a crime they didn't arrest. Mcmichael and his father. Greg for more than two months to understand the laws and the mindset that makes such a thing possible. The New Yorkers Gilani Cobb turn last week to Iraqi Robbins. Robbins is a professor at the Law School of American University. And he's CO director of the Criminal Justice Practice Policy IRA Robbins. Mr Barnhill the second prosecutor who later recused himself wrote a letter to the Police Department of the local police department saying It appears that they are here. He's referencing the McMichael's their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived under Georgia law. This is perfectly legal. does the statute explicitly allow for pursuit? And under what circumstances? Well I'll answer that. But it another layer so when the MIC. Michael's were pursuing. Mr Aubrey thinking they had the right to make a citizen's arrest because they think that Mr Aubrey was committing a crime in that dwelling under construction. I guarantee you McMichael's had no idea whether the crime being committed was a felony or misdemeanor In fact in the police report It it says to crime it mentions to crimes one is homicide and the other is criminal trespass. Well if it's criminal trespass that's a misdemeanor and citizens arrest law. The arrest stores would have fewer rights if it was a burglary That Mr Aubrey was committing. That would be a felony and the citizens arrest law would allow greater leeway to the citizens so with that in mind. Was it surprising to you that the prosecutor actually to prosecutors looked at the situation and concluded that it was a valid citizens arrest. That conclusion indicates to me. Either that they don't know anything about the law of citizen's arrest or are confusing citizens arrest with self defense and stand your ground laws. Could you do sort those things out for us? Sure so Under the citizen's arrest law basically a person can hold an offender or suspected offender until the police arrive. Basically it's their job to operate as witnesses not to be a substitute for the please. Not to take the law into their own hands. You had to that though that Not all suspected offenders are willing to be arrested on and if an altercation ensues that it may be that the arrestor And the suspect Get into some situation Involving use of force and then get into self defense which is a complicated area of law even without Issues of stand your ground. Ordinary self defense law has has a duty to retreat with certain exceptions. The stand your ground law in Georgia Eliminates the duty to retreat. So this case in my opinion stands or falls on whether the initial citizen's arrest confrontation was proper in the first place. So we've seen you know the the Stand your ground. Laws that merely entered our consciousness Around the case of Trayvon Martin Who was a teenager? Seventeen years old was shot by a neighborhood. Watchman by the name of George Zimmerman in Florida And you know this kind of thing. I think this I think this alerted the public to the fact that there were so many jurisdictions that had these laws and now we're seeing a similar conversation beginning to take place around citizen's arrests and the Ahmad Arbitrary case. Is there any connection in your mind? Behind Bobby such inflammatory situation specifically around the lines of wraith with these doctrines wonderful question. It seems to me where we're seeing here is a deadly combination of the law of Citizen's arrest. Floyd self defense laws particularly when we have a stand your ground doctrine as we do in Georgia and arguably racial profiling as well. It may be that when the Michael's raise this idea of stand your ground and self defense built on citizens arrest the whole thing's the pretext of for what starts out as racial profiling And I would argue that. They should have stayed in the truck. I mean we. We've seen the video. Greg Mcmichael was on the phone with the police who arrived Certainly within a minute or so. Perhaps less than a minute of the shooting The role of a citizen in a citizens arrest is to operate as a witness It's not as if they had information that Mr Aubrey was escaping from A major felony bank robbery or homicide or even a burglary. There was no burglary here. If this was a burglary perhaps there would have been a right to a citizens arrest But since this was only a criminal trespass no such right and if there is no such right To do a a citizens arrest here then when Travis Mcmichael Confronted Mr Arbitrary and started the altercation it seems to me that Travis McMichael was the initial aggressor and as such loses the right to self-defence another thing that made this case. Stand out to me was that you know the offense that started the entire pursuit at least according to Michael's was his presence of on the property on the grounds of a house that was under construction. And you know just a few months ago before the The COVID lockdowns began. I was visiting friends in Atlanta and I went for a walk. There is lots of new construction in the neighborhood and I saw house that was under construction and I thought I wonder what the floor plan is for this place and I didn't go inside but I walked up onto where the law would be was looking around. I was like Oh. They're putting a staircase over here in the deck over there and it was just a kind of interesting observation made by walking through the neighborhood and continued walking and the idea that that could be provocation for an armed. Pursuit was a nerve shocking. To me at the least I I agree with you and it seems to me that people don't know what the law is Especially a law. That doesn't get a lot of attention. Like citizen's arrests law. So when somebody does something that even reasonable people might do you even if it might be a very minor. Crime like trembled trespass. Going onto. Someone's property when you don't have a right to be there that doesn't justify detaining someone using force unreasonable force And causing a death if that part of this whole situation falls as I think it should than any defense they make. Michael's are raising. I think would fall like a of cards. The foundation the citizens arrest. I is not a good foundation. You've looked lots of cases of citizen's arrests and attempted citizen's arrests. These laws have created lots of problems and glass of situations that seemed to be on the face very difficult and troubling. Why did they say on the books? A lot of laws whose time has passed. Stay on the books only because the legislature has not gotten around to repealing them Were they think well? Maybe it's causing these laws. Have some purpose that we don't presently say so. Let's just leave them on the books and and hope for the best but when you see abuses like this when you see unreasonable use of deadly force officials have to to stand up and and pay attention because the if if we don't do something about it after such an obvious abuse in this case then we're going to see many more abuses in the future. We don't want citizens arrest. P to become a pretext of for an unfortunate end to situations that. Start with racial profiling. We want organized police forces where the members of the police force have been trained to deal with offenders. We don't want to ordinary people to take the law into their own hands..

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on The New Yorker Radio Hour

The New Yorker Radio Hour

01:45 min | 10 months ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on The New Yorker Radio Hour

"Especially with just one Kidney Macfarquhar staff writer for the New Yorker. The you talked recently to ABC. Were what's going on here. Abe has volunteered to subject in a vaccine trial. A particular kind of high-risk experiment called a human challenge trial and his mother is pretty worried about it. I totally admire and respect your desire to help be I just don't know how safe it is right. But you just had your kidney out in July. Can't imagine that be safe. I mean but basically I WANNA put my name down and it is a trial comes and experts team that I am fit actually to be part of human challenge trial than than I want to do it walk file. I follow you and I understand that you want to help. And that's the way you've always been but it's I think I feel sort of broader sense of obligation or almost like a principled obligation that the I know that there needs to be people who are willing to step up and and I just feel this urge to be one of those people or framed the other way I guess. Why shouldn't it be me I guess having one kid is a pretty good reason. Yeah because he's a year doing this for the universe. You are my unit. It's invalid it hard to round. You just need to know more you know. Just who's doing the testing how much cover the exposing US and other any other people who volunteered besides you. Yeah Yeah they're sixteen thousand people over sixteen people now who have volunteered people. In my hometown of Carlisle's.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

01:30 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"And how do you feel in this era about being able to push things in a positive direction through the work i just do our best and hope that it makes some difference you uh are rents would on the subway uh when i was coming here excellent an alexa coming up the steps without blood amana love your word keep it up like all right thank you and um i think that means helping to me and i hope that in some way you know sit before my look back at like every generation in which they were in of israel in social change the generally people who had access to a platform somewhere that would talking about those things but were trying to inform the public in about what was going on in a or you know the civil rights era and the the that journalist and played a that and david halberstam talking about how much he was impacted of the young journalists in tennessee and it turned that informed the rest of his career really in the work that he didn't and so i think have been you'll people who have stood up to try to inform people and ought to be wells movie be the boys i just want to be in that tradition to the best the mobility while johnny thanks for coming up against really appreciated becky ricki.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"We're not supposed to be surprised that he more but i thought like that is out of this world cries oh cool make that should up a wasn't surprised and let me tell you when it reminded me of you know in birth of a nation film 1915 most of whom we talk about the film of a kind of classic distillation of american racism and of the moment of 1915 but we don't really talk about what he was predicting you think about it in of him looking backward and lionising the ku klux klan but it was really looking forward dw group was looking forward uh who said birth of a nation it was a proposition that white northerners and white southerners could reconcile they could cement the the broken bonds that uh and the lingering fracture from the civil war and the common adhesive would be their mutual contempt for black people um and that's what he's proposing to see a guy from queens gipper kinda reception he got when he had that rally that early rally in montgomery i said no griffeth was right he was predicting how this would work in this wasn't the only time that you could go he gonna on the 50s 60s 70s missiles riots and boston 70s about school integration it could look at many instances and say okay well griffith was pretty much onto something here um and then in addition to that this is a very peculiar quirk about queens and i've had this conversation lots of queens people that it made it almost predictable that someone like trump would emerge from queens and if you remember that character archie bunker from the 70s earnings uh other kind of lovable bigot but no most basic level a working class white guy in queens who was very much bewildered by the changes in the world around him and who he was an expression of the resentments in anxieties that people like him felt and norman lear creative at karak.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

01:43 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"And he said you know the voting rights act is gone and said yeah you probably right and sure enough in two thousand thirteen his would we saw in that shelby case that the supreme court essentially gutted voting rights act and cited the election of barack obama in doing it in saying that we no longer needed those protections now of course from my perspective this was akin to saying while drunk driving has really plummeted we'll need those laws four as you know as you know is going to go that way he knows and go that way and in no it wasn't surprising but at the same time it was disheartening nia and you knew there was going to be a backlash where people saw this movement forward is having come at their expense and most of the time a try to not engage will ios easy of new yorker to get rid of it's comments action thus us are not engage with people who comment but when people email all this person emailed me i thought it was worth looking at an unwritten something about immigration recently and he said the right is really alarmed by all these people coming from latin america but let's be honest the left would be equally alarmed diff uh this many by people were coming from europe and i said no we really wouldn't let the he conceived of this as dueling prejudices hum by we're sticking up for the people of color embry really looking to stick it to the white people and i was like no this is the fundamental misperception and this guy was in by this i know you all uh want to get rid of the my people and so.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

01:48 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"A most of the time has been a long people have been outgrowths of certain shorter pieces astle jamaica high school one was a expansion of something i wrote about the anniversary of brown brazilborn of education and how be ethic of integration has not carried through and could have died on the vine and if that was with at peace came from my decide to look at one school and none of follow through some of the things that seen in the shorter peace and it happened to be the school the you had had on tuesday lagaan to weaken had there was closing yeah and the peace on black lives matter was an outgrowth of me writing in ferguson in a wide seem erin yes that's been mostly like how i've gone debrum now writing a a long form piece about howard nato by the president the current president and what he he's attempting to do it doesn't require a whole lot of heavy lifting figure out how that one came up with does he was he one of the president's that went to trump's was uh a house he was and uh not to give too much away but a couple of days within a couple of days of him going to the meeting with white house other was graffiti sprayed on campus the said welcome to the trump plantation uh yeah i have figured out a little news yeah yeah and he said he's presidents name weight wayne frederick mlb graffiti said uh welcome to the trump plantation wayne frederick overseer and was really a sharp thing to say in response with a lot of the faculty rather the lot of the leadership that went to the white house meeting suffered backlashes on the campuses but it came back but his obviously donald trump is not particularly popular among african americans.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

01:46 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"Cop who was really uh exemplary officer like you would want a police force full of people like him his name not ironically was sergeant peppers you know and so boost the guy who who was smart was tough but deeply invested deeply cared about the community that he was policing and even if in such a rations where he handled things with a degree of august calm and equanimity but i don't know that i could have been as common in ah where she was investigating a homicide and he was trying to make an arrest before there was a retaliatory homicide and he said i need to make an arrest and then he's him they are trying to investigate to find out what exactly is going on including car statin you know called every name under the sun and he was really trying to ultimately fehb lives in that community insulinlike i wanna get his guy off the street before somebody comes in does something to one of you all in the name of revenge yeah well just goes to show that everyone sufficient balance is also via as light as a whole bunch of all with right exactly you know a big they're very often people's idea of gallons is what we call pr it so that was a very i mean that was a big project men how do you decide more specifically when it comes to new yorker writing you're doing a lot of web pieces where you're taking on the issues that are happening day whether trump or some other issue something in the news basically an writing sort of short essays monnet and then what makes you decide or what results in you going down a longer reporting road up.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

02:01 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"Ho bear version of their idea of good policing was to do things that other people will find horrifying when very me viewers did abbott they didn't think of that is wrong as a matter of fact when i talked with a matter that is a without here trying to keep his community safe and this is what it looks like but presently you thought it was horrifying even in the moment you knew what you were seeing was not right because also hear the benefit of being outside of it yeah you know so they they have a kind of closed system there where you're only around people who see the world the same way you do and if some point you begin to extrapolate that out in also like a small version of this was that in college at a shortlived experiences the vegetarian can tho unlike everybody did in college uh but i was around all the people who were vegans then you know we're kind of critiquing yoga horrors of the me pete industry and so on and then our member lapointe realizing that we're really a kind of minority that when you go out to restaurants there people eating stake in really not thinking about you at all about his whole other world and people have different values and i think that that happens with police in a because is leslie believe in nobody else can understand a job lebanon's them what they do and it sure enough the world look different from the inside of a police car and fundamentally does know when we were with them for ten months and we'd be driving around and they'd have a call come in and they'd go you know flying through the streets trying to find some one your who may have shot some one or you may of rob someone or whatever and you're looking at the city in a way that is very different than the kind of passive way that be tend to interact and there was another infants where a police car was set to respond to the most mundane a situation.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

02:23 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"And so she could literally on monday say just robot who a person is not what they look like know character as the most important thing and at the only thing that you should concern itself with and on tuesday say never ever underestimate would white people capable of doing to you in this world and trying to reconcile those things in zero and i don't think to him a was ever uttered of source of discomfort anything it was a big was paradox lose just kind of how he had seen the world who had lived and so i think that i've that's probably potter where i got my interest in writing about these things and trying to maybe look a bit riddle that he had bequeathed to me he hiring lay so you did this frontline documentary which i think you rope and you also appeared in court in cairo so let's talk a little bit about that because first of all what did it feel like to get in front of the camera it was interesting to watch you work having read some israel and then to sort of like watch you in action don't see with all sort of area writer journalists what does that feel i go so awkward also awkward if you talk with them the team from frontline i worked real mainly with a on your board and james icl i'll be uh and if you talk with them they will tell you that there was a struggle like leading a mule cut dragging down the road because one i hated hearing my own voice which you know a lot of people don't talk to her own were but i had to human voice in order to do voice over an appeal in editing process and all these things torture and then also i didn't like i don't really like being in the center of attention which interestingly enough is a kind of way i think that in some ways our lives a shaped by physically who we are and what we look like which is that in a six three i look like a form of football player and the large man in that generate the certain kind of attention have never wanted that never kind of wanted to stand out in that particular way especially miyato doing work.

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"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

02:06 min | 3 years ago

"jelani cobb" Discussed on Longform Podcast

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