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"jewish temple" Discussed on Jesus Stories

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04:38 min | Last month

"jewish temple" Discussed on Jesus Stories

"As these events happen, you're going to be arrested, handed over to local councils, beaten in the synagogue, and that's the Jewish version of church outside of the temple, you'll also stand trial before the civil authorities, governors and kings, just because you follow me. But this is a great opportunity, an opportunity to tell the story of Jesus. For the good news, must first be preached to all nations. But Jesus continues, when you're arrested, don't worry about what to say in your trial just say what you hear from the Holy Spirit. For it is not you who will be speaking, but the Holy Spirit. Then Jesus calls for persistence during these times. He warns that there will be familial betrayal, a brother will betray his brother to death. A father will betray his own child, and children will rebel against their parents and cause them to be killed. Sin will be everywhere. People will hate you because you follow me, Jesus. But Jesus says, the one who endures to the end will be saved, and the good news about the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world. Now Jesus refers to an Old Testament prophet named Daniel. He was among a group of Jewish young men who were taken into captivity by the Babylonians in 6 O 5 BCE, by king, Daniel, and some other young men were selected by the king for special treatment and training to enter the service of the king. Daniel, however, decided he could excel in this training and still served Jehovah God. Jehovah God selected Daniel to share with him visions of the future. Jesus references one of those visions, here are his words. The day is coming when you'll see what Daniel the prophet spoke about. The sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the holy place. Now this is one of those statements that Bible scholars have puzzled about for years, as so let's take this one, but let's take it backwards if you don't mind. The first question is, what is the holy place? Now some think it refers to the holy place in the temple. It's a place in the Jewish temple of Jesus day, where only the high priest can enter. It contains the ark, and other holy objects, though high priest was the only one to go in with this place. He went into this place once a year, and only after some very stringent, ritual purification. This was the place where the glory of Jehovah would reside among his people, so this would have been the holiest place in all places in Jerusalem. What is the object that causes desecration? Some translations call it the abomination of desolation. Nobody really knows what it means. Throughout the history of the Jewish people we find various conquerors who have sought to desecrate the temple, one put a pig in the temple, another place to idols of their deities into the temple. Is this what Jesus and Daniel are referencing? We really don't know..

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05:03 min | 10 months ago

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"Jesus christ nine eleven wrote down some barriers some racial barriers for a time but it was all temporary as time passed people put those barriers backup and now our solution just as it's always been is crossed our world needs god our world really needs god and when our world turns its back to some degree of god. Things generally do not go. Well if you're old enough to remember nine eleven you may remember that there was at least we're time a renewed interest in religion. We found more people. Perhaps some family members friends people at work people in neighborhoods. We found some people who were beginning to turn towards god and prayer. They were beginning to think about spiritual things in some of our hymns. We had the idea of revival. We talk about revive us again. There was at least to a small degree when we think twenty years ago. Back to nine eleven. There was some emphasis on revival. If that if you can remember some of the images from that time you probably saw some people talking about second. Chronicles chapter seven verse. Fourteen that'll testament versus this. If my people who are called by my name shirahama themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways. Then will i hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. That passage was being bandied about in a lot of different ways twenty years ago. That passage wasn't written to america. That i was not written america. That passage is associated with the old testament jews and the jewish temple. Someone says well. Do you think it is a passage which has no value force..

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Homeless encampment to set up behind Bellevue temple in Seattle area next month

News and Perspective with Taylor Van Cise

01:38 min | 1 year ago

Homeless encampment to set up behind Bellevue temple in Seattle area next month

"Homeless encampments. Bellevue is getting ready to host one next month more from co most Jonathan Show. This is the well manicured lawn behind Temple, but NATO or on the Crossroads neighborhood. We do this because it's our mission starting next month. The temple is paying $3000 for a fem thing, Rabbi Sydney Danziger says up to 40 homeless men and women will be allowed to set up right here. These are just Good working folks who are looking for a stopgap. This will be the latest stop for 10 City for an encampment that moves around from one community to another. This time around the Jewish Temple, the city of Bellevue and homeless advocacy group share wheels are partnering to make this happen. We have a code of conduct we go by. We can't camp approvals that we enforce. Organizers say there will be regular covert testing, strict security idea and background checks, No drugs or any type of illegal activity will be tolerated. And Bellevue PD says the encampment doesn't necessarily attract more crime. But even with the assurances, the possibility is there and I would like to see it. Tightened up some neighbors like Karen Morrison Chandler Dang still have concerns. I like the city, too. Do a better job informing us. The city says it's working on that with mailers and updates to its Web site. It's not a perfect science, but they keep trying to let people know And there's actually already an ordinance allowing this arrangement, But it's been nearly five years since 10 City for use the Temple's lawn. Rabbi Danziger hopes others get more involved. I hope that more and more faith based organizations start using the rights that they have to host these tent encampments on their land for Bellevue Jobs and Shoko Monix. In the first case of its

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Unpacking Israeli History

Israel Story

03:23 min | 1 year ago

Unpacking Israeli History

"Back in twenty seventeen, the New York Times published an article about Amadeo Garcia Garcia. The. Last Living Speaker of the top story. Once, spoken for centuries by thousands of members of an Amazon tribe Madeo, the sole survivor, and the last person on earth to know the language his tried which had lived uncontactable for centuries along Amazon River in Peru slowly died out due to the weapons diseases brought to them from intruders when Avodados brother passed away his last remaining relative the missionary asked Amodio how he felt. Adele responded in the broken Spanish that he had. The only way he had to communicate with outside world he said. It's now over for us. Why? Dale no longer has some to speak to and when you have no one else to speak to, you will lose your language. That's why was over for Amodio. Losing a language is like losing an identity, a culture history. I don't mean to sound over dramatic here but losing a language is really losing oneself. Looking back at the history of the Jewish people that Jews faced a very similar problem. And the reality today is that over the last one, hundred, fifty years, a modern miracle took place for almost two thousand years Hebrew the language of the Torah the Bible and so much Jewish literature you know the prayers was mostly reserved for the ritual. And now. Jews. Over the world's beekeeper, a language that was essentially dead as a spoken language. Something like this has never happened in history of language. The. Fact that the majority of Jews around the world speak Hebrew today is not something to take for granted. There are approximately fourteen point, seven, million Jews in the world and six point seven, million of them live in Israel where Hebrew is the national language. And many hundreds of thousands outside of Israel, speak language as well learning it in. Jewish. Day schools and summer camps or at home. Short. The Bible prayers and religious texts were written and read in Hebrew. Literally nobody spoke in daily life for like almost two thousand years. So How'd an almost extinct biblical language reemerge as spoken language in the span of only a few decades? Was Zionism that deserves the credit Certain. Figure named Elliot's Ben Yehuda. And what is it always obvious that Hebrew would be the national language of the Jewish state. Let's jump back in time to learn about the history of the Hebrew language details about the spoken language of Hebrew in ancient times are not perfect. Here's what we know. In the Bible the Jews otherwise as Hebrews spoken ancient Biblical version of. Biblical Hebrew was the spoken language of the Jews for over a thousand years. But one of the Romans destroyed the second Jewish Temple in seventy CE HEBREW AGAIN. To die. Out.

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Miami - Man Captured For Spray Painting Swastikas On Two Sarasota Temples

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00:20 sec | 2 years ago

Miami - Man Captured For Spray Painting Swastikas On Two Sarasota Temples

"So the police have arrested the man they say painted anti Semitic rafidia to Jewish temples. On April 2nd security cameras at Temple Emanuel captured 21 year old Vincent Martinez spray painting swastikas on the walls. On July 15th cameras at the same temple once again showed Martinez placing more swastikas on the walls for doing the same. At another temple. An

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Anti-Semitic references found in Hanukkah stabbing suspect's journals

Morning News with Manda Factor and Gregg Hersholt

00:47 sec | 2 years ago

Anti-Semitic references found in Hanukkah stabbing suspect's journals

"The FBI says the accused attackers journal entries include references to Hitler and anti semitic views and that internet searches on his cell phone turned up the search phrase German Jewish temples near me that man accused in the attack is now facing hate crime charges investigators say journals recover from thirty year old Grafton Thomas is home to express anti semitic sentiments and referred to the black Hebrew Israelite movement group also link to one of the suspects in the shooting of a kosher deli in New Jersey earlier this month in his journal prosecutors say Thomas wrote about Hitler and **** culture on his phone forty C. searches popped up for quote prominent companies founded by Jews in America and local temples we

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"jewish temple" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

11:28 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on KGO 810

"Four five. Now, more of coast to coast AM odd cagey. Oh, eight ten. We're back with Shelly niece. We're talking about the copper scroll project and of the few and I'm cribbing here from Shelly nieces website of the few who have risked their careers and reputations to search for copper, scroll treasures only one remains. He's an unlikely hero of firemen from Oklahoma and award winning investigator named Jim Barfield who treated the copper, scroll like evidence in an arson case and came to an astonishing realization all of the locations described in the copper, scroll have exact architectural matches with Coomer on this rather unimpressive ruined perched on a plateau just off the coast of Israel's Dead Sea. At what point does Jim actually traveled to Israel to test. His theory. Good question. So he really it was after he identified the first twenty locations. It's not that you know, he never says that God told him that the copper scroll treasure was here. He never sort of lays down any Trump cards. But he just kept at it. I mean, he's just a person who once he gets hold of it threat. He's gonna follow it all the way through. So it was once he identified the first twenty locations in the copper, scroll and saw that they all had architectural matches in Qom Ron that is when he had to get on a plane and go and see it in person himself, and and sort of walk the copper scrawl on the ground at on because for one he also didn't know if he couldn't tell what the flooring was was like either. So you know, he might be able to match up which will immersion pools are great. Cisterns or parasols or courtyard with all things listed in the copper scroll. But what he didn't know if he could if anybody would be able to break through that ground, or if it would be threatening to ruin itself, and so he flew there with his wife, and that was the first time he had ever been to Israel was to see copper, squirrel. Translation, was correct. And what was his motivation was he a treasure seeker was this a spiritual quest. So no, he is it was definitely spiritual. He says, and and I really after knowing him for a decade. I I know that this is true that he just wants these. I don't be found and returned to Israel, and he has no alterior motive he he considers this to be Israel's Israel's birthright, or you know, her. There's no other there. There's no other motive, and it's also not as as anyone would be able to establish any monetary value on these things. Anyway, now, he is a really religious man of very. Very strict keeping in with the Sabbath and with laws of the Torah. But also believe Jesus, and so he kind of occupies both orbits. He's a little bit of a religious chameleon in that way. When he's with a group of Jews that he speaks the language of tour and of what's important to to religious Jews. But he also is is great with Kristen audiences. So I see him kind of navigate both of those worlds and do it. Well because both are important to him. At this point. Is there this technology exists to do sort of ground penetrating? Imaging can see what's under the ground. Right. So the technology has has come a long way like you reference oak island. You know, every time that they hit a wall. They always just get a new grand piece of technology to keep the pot moving. But what is what was the problem fifty years ago is that even when there were metal detectors, even when metal detecting technology existed? This is the Dead Sea area, so the soil there is mineralized and a very different way than any other place in the world. And so so metal detectors just gave false positives or we're able to read the soil and the right way. And so for then the beginning when Koran was excavated metal detectors weren't very useful. Jim barfield? One part is that so ground penetrating radar has been done at Combe run. But not for what we were looking for in the copper scroll because the coppers grow. This is it's it's where it occupies some space between this isn't traditional archaeology archaeology things down to the last level of habitation. And when that's reached you stop the copper school is asking you to dig nine to twelve feet deeper than that. And to dig for something that was buried, so it's it's a really a natural process for our gala this to to pursue that. And so the ground penetrating radar that had been done does show voids at Combe Ron does show that there are underground sort of storage areas. Randall priced from liberty university had done a lot of that work on the Koran plateau, and he too has found voids there that that he hasn't been able to excavate some of them cut into a cliff. There's like a very steep Wadi that drops right at the edge of Koran. So you have to be careful even an excavating caves or anything in that area because it's very collapsible. So we did get our hands on a Lorenzo deep max metal detector, which is probably the best metal detector for that region. A white smell detector is is strong. But that this is a ten thousand dollar metal detector when you out and the technology between being able to read the scans. But and it's a cute. It's a cute that you drag and it can tell the difference between ferrous and nonferrous metals tell the difference, you know, for looking for gold silver bronze or something else, and it can give some indication of size, and which is really what he had to be done for the copper scroll. And what did it reveal? Well, so for years, so. I have to back up a little in two thousand nine and this is just a crazy sort of chronology of events that even JIMBO was able to do this. But he was able to get a meeting with the authority and to excavate at three of the sites that were listed in his research, which how this Oklahoma's and investigator was able to get a meeting with the Israel antiquities authority and much less for them to to want to test and probe his research is you know, as a as a tell them within itself. But he was able to do it. And so what became clear in that process is that the copper school is sixty locations. And so if you gig all over Kumaon at that kind of debt in sixty different sites. You'll have you'll destroy Koran in the process you'll end up making coumarin look like an up close side of the moon, craters everywhere. And so even though he had specific research that pointed to specific places coom Ron as a sacred site in and of itself to Israel and to the religious community. And so he had to be really careful, and so it became clear that doing nine foot probes income Ron proper was not ideal. And and so for many years, he applied after that dig that dig was abruptly shut down for reasons that that I can speculate on, but that we don't know for sure. And so and an archaeologist that had been in charge of the dig and who had really believed in Denver fields research, and he was the number two person in command of Kumaon from an archaeological level he actually died and. A tragic cave accident. Not so long after and so it really kind of brought everything to a to a hot. And for whatever reason the Israel antiquity authority denied permission to do an electronic scan of come on and for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was applying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new leaders sometimes waiting out people to retire in the integrity of the thirty. And so he returned Israel something like sixteen times sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So this guy's tenacious eastern Atias. So today says and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of religious Jews who who want who see at third temple in Israel's future really have aligned with Jim Butterfield and want to succeed. Nothing has ever been found from the interior of the first or second temple. We appointing. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, the retaining walls are still there. We have things that a stone that marks the place of trumpeting Presley weights and scales that we we do we have things, but we don't have. So certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders and occupation in Jerusalem being destroyed and rebuilt back up, and because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or their religious, those that we have there was one tiny pomegranate that was found that was believed to be on the end of a priestly sceptre, and it had an inscription that said from the house of y'all way or how and has been proved to be a forgery, which brings us back to the show in terms of what we can sort of the banner that the Temple Mount movement in March under. That they would love for Jim Barfield to be successful. So he really has sort of this this religious cohort of allies that have have championed around him. But but just yes for years with knocking on on the wrong doors and really getting nowhere in terms of the antiquities authority approving a permit, which the archaeologists that we worked with really couldn't even understand it said he'd never been denied a permit for something like that before because it was non invasive it wasn't threatening to the ruin especially when we were able to get a hold of the Lorenzo, which is a much better metal detector. So is is really a frustrating.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

15:39 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Are back with Shelly niece. The author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount before the break Shelley. You were describing this one of the central characters in this incredible story, John allegro who sort of a maverick researcher in the in this field of Dead Sea. Scroll study was able to the spirit the copper schools back to Manchester England and kind of macgyver day technique of opening the scrolls using some dentists, tools and so forth. And then quickly realized what what was inscribed on these scrolls. It was a treasure map. Let's get into a little bit more detail about exactly what this treasurer entails. Right. So so when he opens it he sees that it's written and twelve Collins. And by the way, you know, there's never been what he was looking at is just there's no there's no other ancient metal document like this. I mean, it's not as if anything like this at ever been found in Israel and much less that that the copper scroll what he sees is that it's it's twelve columns. Verbal treasure map and describing sixty plus locations. And it's really dry. I mean, if you read the converse crow, which. At that point with Don. Allegra was this was a special privilege that really no one else would find out what the copper school said for three years, but now translations and and transcription transcriptions of the copper scroll down, but it's a really dry inventory. And so to me, that's one of my favorite parts about it. Because it's what weeds authenticity. You know? It's not a story. It's not a legend. It's not telling you who wrote. That's why or how it is almost like you were we were able to find someone's personal record of note that that these islands were being hidden, and that they would be able to find their scroll their record and and retrieve the items one day, and so pretty much each each of the the list than each of the columns it'll say. Where to go and just a brief sort of note on like a note to self because really it's not super helpful the way to coverage scrolls written because it'll stay in markets courtyard, or you know, besides the steps leading to the east forty cubits. So it's just these these little notes of reference not extremely detailed. And then it will say how deep today which sometimes it's up to twelve feet, and and how deep they bury these items, and and then it'll say what you'll you'll find. And and it's usually gold, silver or seven sort of ritual vessels ritual vessels. All right and gold and silver. Does do the copper scrolls quantified the amount of gold the amount of silver? Yes. So it's difficult to know. You know, what an ancient talent was whatever the copper scroll was written. But if an ancient talent is what we think, and it's about seventy pounds. Then. Coppers girl will be announced listed on the copper, scroll would be the equivalent of a hundred sixty tons of precious metal one hundred and sixty tons of gold and silver or gold. Gold silver bronze, and sometimes the copper scroll doesn't exactly say what was buried. It'll just give the quantity or the end now. So it's if we add up all of those units a hundred sixty eight tonnes of of something precious. So receive was to be the most abundant thing, which I find interesting because in the bible and makes reference that the Solomon's temple and says, you know, that there's a tradition that Solomon and Solomon, simple, silver was his communist rocks, but silvers the most dominant but on several occasions, you know, it's not just gold or silver. It'll say things like like that. It's. Sanctified? It'll use words they also give it a holy aspect. You know that this treasure sanctified or that it was a retired ties. And sometimes it'll save vessels my favorite is at one point. It says priestly vestments, and so it's just all of these things that, you know, this is no normal. This is no normal treasurer. This is also sacred treasure. Right. So vestments ritualistic vessels gold and silver. You you mentioned earlier Solomon's temple. So. Are these treasures belonging to the first? Temple Solomon's temple. So they definitely belonged to well. Most scholars would agree that the temple first second first second temple or the tabernacle like those would be only three places in Jewish history. That would have had access to such large amounts of treasure. So most scholars believe that it would be second set Bal treasure. And when I say that colleagues are agreeing on something like this that alone is a is a miracle. It's all right. You know, that there would be some sort of scholarly consensus that the copper scroll authentic, but it's pointing to to real treasure that existed in history because otherwise this is a document that has no legendary value, no biblical values. So that's why you know, you can't really deny that at and it was hard to inscribe, and it was expensive describes all of those hints definitely point to that. This is something something real this isn't a prop and and there's just nowhere else injuries. That would have had such large amounts of. Of silver and gold, and and certainly because of the items that it's listing points for the temple and its own way. Never overtly never as saying like, we don't have the word ark of the covenant and the copper scroll. We it's that, you know, so much about the Dead Sea scrolls in this could be a whole other show. But they never directly say things they never directly say that there s scenes they never directly named their leader. They say teacher of righteousness or their enemy. They say wicked priests. You know, so a lot about that's he's grows. His last two people just scratching their heads and trying to put the historical clues together. They don't make it easy. But there are hints of the temple all over the cop role with the covenant. For example. It doesn't say the covenant. But it does been according to some translations say gleaming chamber or treasures of the house. And so. There are these sort of little hints that to me feel like temple furniture, apple furniture. It's frightening. Listeners. But now a little bit of Hebrew behind priestly vestments. There's it looks like there appears to be a letter you would which would make a possessive. So it would turn it into my priestly vestments. So giving some hint that the author of the copper scroll with some of the priestly class. So whether or not it was Solomon's temple the second temple the person who my books about them Barfield, and and the book chronicles his research and his and his theories he strongly believes that this points to the first temple. But most scholars believe that points for the second. We and we will get to Jim Barfield who is the central figure in this amazing story Shelley niece. My guest the author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount. Now, the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians before they took any of the tribes of Israel into captivity. And the ark of the covenant sort of disappears into the mist of time at that point. If it's the second temple the treasurer of the second temple. It's unlikely that it would be making any allusions to the ark of the covenant. Is that fair to say, yes? As far as we know the holy of holies in the second Jewish temple was empty. I mean, we have Roman outside historical records of that thing that. Pay whenever he might say jury, son. He actually did something that was unforgivable in the eyes of as religious Jews, then he entered the holy of holies. And he was just astonished to find it and be so yes. So as far as we know the aren't gonna cover that never made an appearance in the second temple. But the jury is still out as to whether the RTD covenant is being alluded to in the copper scroll. And if it is, and that would be highly suggested that we're talking about the first temple. I want to get back to join allegro for a moment though, after he realizes what he is reading. What prevented him from just grabbing a shovel and going back and start digging on his own, right? So this is where it gets interesting and a little conspiratorial as well. But so so allegro. Yes. He's writing off letters. And he's say these girls are red hot. We've got to get a shovel. We've gotta start digging. He he does think of Koran he thinks about other places he's able to not only translate the copper scroll on site. But also start coming up with ideas and matches that he feels could be could be places for the copper, scroll burial locations and. The thing is is that every Dead Sea scroll. And it's turned out to probably be a mistake. But every Dead Sea, scroll was assigned to a certain scholar and the way that that sea scrolls scholarship worked for decades was that that scholar who was assigned to that school was the only one who could publish its contents. And so or you know, if if they see a student under them, but the covers girl technically was not assigned to allegro it was assigned to another that's useful editor named Joseph Milic, and they had very different attitudes towards the copper scroll which can be seen in sort of the copper scroll history. So allegro, you know, champions, the copper scroll believed in its contents believed that was pointing to real treasure and pub and had a translation immediately available and it was his first priority. Joseph. Milic was there when the copper scroll was found. And so that's probably why he was given the authority to be the one that would house the copper scroll. He also was probably the best of the Dead Sea. Scroll editors I mean, in terms of just his his skill level was probably higher than a Lagos. But still it took him three years to to get around so publising, the copper scroll. So can you imagine being Jonah LEGO? And and knowing that you had this amazing powerful document that you wanted to share with the world, and you couldn't you weren't allowed to so although eventually, you know, Donald Legros relationship with the rest of the team gross tense. He does go ahead. He waited three years. But he did go ahead and publish his his his translation before Milic which was seen by the Dead Sea scrolls team just an unforgivable sin, and there is but but now like. Really downplayed the copper scroll. He he was. He was a Catholic priest and he he just felt like maybe because it didn't have any any like that Boko value for whatever reason he is Societa that with temple folklore. And so for him he said that the copper, scroll was a prop an ancient legend and. You know, in some ways that may have been helpful for the time period because that one are raising the Judean desert at this time looking for Dead Sea scrolls. Can you imagine if word got out that there was gold and silver buried at the level throughout the desert, or I mean, so in some ways, it might have turned out to be a protective measure that. Jets come Ron from right, right? But now the copper school schools. How are they being at this point because they are alluding to Solomon's temple or a temple and this then connects to the Temple Mount the Jordanian authorities. Then must be getting very nervous because this copper scroll can confirm the existence of a temple on the Temple Mount. I mean for many people. That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a contentious issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and it's just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was a sovereign nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the Temple Mount that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of Arafat. There's a famous story that it can't David negotiating Jerusalem and Arafat turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever existed on the Temple Mount. And according to the Clinton, that's when he kind of knew that that negotiations were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can you possibly understand why the temple Donald would be so important to you both. And and so, but at that time in that period, the Jordanians we're not denying the existence of the Jewish temple that will come later, and they and their narrative in the nineties, and and in fact, that's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of Islamic references to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple. And some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention and something that's supposedly the Jews made up. That they had their temple. They're interesting. So the copper scrolls, then are actually more dangerous now in terms of then they were at the time. So was Allegra convinced from the get-go that this treasure this immense. Unimaginable treasure of gold silver. It's cetera was located in and around the caves Kumaon..

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"jewish temple" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

15:39 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on KGO 810

"Is close to coast AM on cagey. Oh, eight ten. And we are back with Shelly niece. The author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount before the break Shelley. You were describing this one of the central characters in this incredible story, John allegro who sort of a maverick researcher in the in this field of Dead Sea scrolls study was able to the spirit the copper schools back to Manchester England and kind of a macgyver day, a technique of opening the scrolls using some dentists, tools and so forth. And then quickly realized what what was inscribed on these scrolls. It was a treasure map. Let's get into a little bit more detail about exactly what this treasurer entails. Right. So so when he opens it he sees that it's written and twelve Collins. And by the way, you know, there's never been what he was looking at as just there's no there's no other into metal document like this. I mean, it's not as if this anything like this ever been found in Israel and much less that the copper scroll what he sees is that it's it's twelve columns verbal tiger map and describing sixty plus locations. And it's really dry. I mean, if you read the copper, scroll which. At that point with John. Allegra was was this special privilege that really no one else would find out what the coppers calls said for three years, but. Now translations and in transcripts transcriptions of the copper scroll down, but it's a really dry inventory. And so to me, that's one of my favorite parts about it. Because it's what the weeds authenticity. You know? It's not a story. It's not a legend. It's not telling you who wrote. That's why or how it is almost like you were we were able to find someone's personal record of note that that these items were being hidden, and that they would be able to find their scroll their record and and retrieve the items one day, and so pretty much each each of the list and each of the 'cause it'll say. Where to go and just a brief sort of note, like a note this south because really it's not super helpful the way the to or scrolls written because it'll stay in Makia courtyard, or you know, besides the steps leading to the east forty cubits. So it's just these these little notes of reference not extremely detailed. And then it'll say how deep today which sometimes is up to twelve feet, and and how deep they vary these items, and and then it'll say what you'll you'll find. And and it's usually gold, silver or seven sort of ritual vessels ritual vessels. All right and gold and silver. Does do the copper scrolls quantify the amount of gold the amount of silver? Yes. So it's difficult to know. You know, what an ancient talent was whatever the copper scroll was written. But if an ancient talent is what we think it's about seventy pounds. Then. The copper scroll will be amounts listed on the copper, scroll would be the equivalent of a hundred sixty tons of precious metal one hundred and sixty tons of gold and silver or just gold. Gold silver bronze, and sometimes the copper scroll doesn't exactly say what was buried. It'll just give the quantity or the amount. So it's as we add up all of those units, a hundred sixty eight tons of of something precious, silver seems to be the most abundant thing, which I find interesting because in the bible and makes reference that Solomon's temple and says, you know, that there's a tradition that Salomon and Solomon's temple silver was his communist rocks, but silvers the most dominant but on several occasions, you know, it's not just gold or silver. It'll say things like. Like that. It's sanctified. It'll use words they also give it a holy aspect. You know that this treasure sanctified or that it was I retired ties. And sometimes it will save vessels. My favorite is at one point. It says priestly vestments, and so it's just all of these things that, you know, this is no normal. This is no normal treasury. This is also sacred treasure. Right. So vestments ritualistic vessels gold and silver. You mentioned earlier Solomon's temple. So. Are these treasures belonging to the first? Temple Solomon's temple. So they definitely belonged to I. Well, most scholars would agree that the temple. I second. I I can temple or the tabernacle like those would be only three places in Jewish history. That would have had access to such large amounts of treasure. So most scholars believe that it would be second set Bal treasure. And when I say that scholars agreeing on something like this that alone is a is a miracle in its own, right? You know, that there would be some sort of scholarly consensus that the copper scroll authentic, but it's pointing to to real tragedy that existed in history because otherwise this is a document that has no legendary value, no biblical value. So that's why you know, you can't really deny that it, and it was hard to inscribe, and it was expensive describes all of those tents definitely point to that. This is something something real this event, a rock, and and there's just nowhere else injury, son. That would have had such a large amounts of of. Silver and gold, and and certainly because of the items that it's listing points for the temple in its own way. Never overtly it never as saying. Like, we don't have the word ark of the covenant and the copper, scroll, we, you know. You know, so much about the Dead Sea scrolls in this could be a whole other show. But they never directly say things that they never directly say that there s scenes they never directly named their leader. They say teacher of righteousness or their enemy. They say wicked priests. You know, so a lot about the Dead Sea scrolls as his last two people just scratching their heads and trying to put the historical clues together. They don't make it easy. But there are hints of the temple all over the copper, scroll with the covenant. For example. It doesn't say the covenant. But it does in according to some translations say gleaming chamber or treasures of the house. And so there are these sort of little hints that to me feel like temple furniture, apple furniture. That for any listeners. But now a little bit of Hebrew behind priestly vestments. There's it looks like there appears to be a letter you would which would make it a possessive. So it would turn it into my priestly vestments. So giving some hit that the author of the copper scroll with some the priestly class. So whether or not it was Solomon's temple the second temple the person who my books about Jim Barfield, and and the book chronicles his research and and his and his series. He strongly believes that this points to the first temple. But most scholars believe it points for the second. We and we will get to Jim Barfield who is the central figure in this amazing story Shelley niece. My guest the author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount. Now, the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians before they took. Any of the tribes of Israel into captivity? And the ark of the covenant sort of disappears into the mist of time at that point. If it's the second temple the treasurer of the second temple. It's unlikely that it would be making any illusions to the ark of the covenant. Is that fair to say, yes? As far as we know the holy of holies in the second Jewish temple was empty. I mean, we have Roman outside historical records of that thing that. Pay whenever he might say jury, son. He actually did something that was unforgivable in the eyes of as religious Jews, then he entered the holy of holies. And he was just astonished to find it and be so yeah. So as far as we know the cover of that never made an appearance in the second temple. But the jury is still out as to whether the dark the covenant is being alluded to in the copper scroll. And if it is, and that would be highly suggested that we're talking about the first temple. I want to get back to John allegro for a moment though, after he realizes what he is reading what prevented him from just grabbing a shovel and going back and start digging on his own. Right. So this is where it gets interesting and little conspiratorial as well. But so so allegro. Yes. He's writing off wetter than he's saying these girls are red hot. We've got a good shovel. We've gotta start digging. He he does think of Koran he thinks of other places he's able to not only translate the copper scroll on site. But also start coming up with ideas and matches that he feels could be could be places for the copper scroll burial locations. And. The thing is is that every Dead Sea scroll. And it's turned out to probably be a mistake. But every Dead Sea school was assigned to a certain scholar and the way that that sea scrolls scholarship worked for decades was that that scholar who was assigned to that school was the only one who could publish its contents. And so or you know, if if they a student under them, but the covers girl technically was not assigned to grow it was assigned to another that's useful editor named Joseph Milic, and they had very different attitudes towards the copper scroll which can be seen in sort of the copper scroll history. So allegro. You know champions, the copper scroll believed in its contents believed that was planning to real treasure and pub and had a translation immediately available and it was his first priority. Joseph Milic was there when the copper scroll was found. And so that's probably why he was given the authority to be the one that would publish the copper scroll. He also was probably the best of the Dead Sea scrolls editors I mean, in terms of Justice, his skill level was probably higher than a Lagos. But still it took him three years to to get around so publishing the copper scroll. So can you imagine being John allegro? And and knowing that you had this amazing powerful document that you wanted to show what the world, and you could it you were allowed to so. Although eventually, you know, Donald Legros relationship with the rest of the team gross tense. He does go ahead. He waited three years. But he did go ahead and publish his his his translation before Malik which was seen by the Dead Sea scrolls team, an unforgivable, and there is, but but now like really downplayed the copper, scroll he was he was a Catholic priest and he he just felt like maybe because it didn't have any any like coal value for whatever reason he associated it with temple folklore. And so for him he said that the copper scroll was a prop an ancient legend, and in some ways that may have been helpful for the time period because that one are raising the day in day. Desert at this time looking for Deb. He's called can you imagine? If word got out that there was gold and silver buried deep level throughout the desert, or I mean, though, in some ways, it might have turned out to be a protective measure that had cats, you know, Courant, right, right? But but now the copper school schools. How are they being at this point because they are alluding to Solomon's temple or a temple and this then connects to the Temple Mount. The Jordanian authorities. Then must be getting very nervous because this copper scroll can confirm the existence of a temple on the Temple Mount. I mean for many people. That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a contentious issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and this just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was a sovereign nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the temple now that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of Arafat, there's a famous story that it can't David. Yeah. They're negotiating Jerusalem and turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever exists about according to the Clinton. That's when he kind of knew that that the negotiating. Nations were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can possibly understand why the Temple Mount would be so important to you both. And and so, but at that time in that period, the Jordanian is we're not denying the existence of the Jewish temple. That'll come later, and they and they are narrative in the nineties, and and in fact, that's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of Islamic references to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple. And some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention. And and something that's supposedly the Jews made up that they have their temple. They're interesting. The copper scrolls are actually more dangerous now. In terms of the than they were at the time..

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"jewish temple" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

08:38 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"Israel's birthright, or you know, her. There's no other there. There's no other motive, and it's also not as as anyone would be able to establish any monetary value on these things. Anyway, now, he is a really religious man and very. Very strict keeping in with the Sabbath and with laws of the Torah. Also is a believer in Jesus. And so he kind of occupied both orbits. He's a little bit of a religious chameleon in that way that when he's with a group of Jews that he speaks the language of tour and of what's important to to religious Jews. But he also is is great with Christian audiences. So I see him kind of navigate both of those worlds and do it. Well because both are important to him. At this point. Is there does the technology exists to do sort of ground penetrating imaging? Can they see what's under the ground? Right. So the technology has has come a long way like you reference oak island. You know, every time that they hit a wall. They always just getting new grand fiefs of technology to keep the plot moving. But what is what was the problem fifty years ago is that even when there were a metal detectors, even when metal detecting technology existed? This is the Dead Sea area, so the soil there is mineralized and a very different way than any other place in the world. And so so metal detectors just gave false positives or we're able to read the soil and the right way. And so for then the beginning when Koran was excavated metal detectors weren't very useful. Jim barfield? When part is that so ground penetrating radar has been done at Combe run. But not for what we were looking for in the copper scroll because the coppers girl. This is it's it's where it occupies some space between this isn't traditional archaeology traditional archaeology things down to the last level of habitat. And when that's reached you stop the copper school is asking you to dig nine to twelve feet deeper than that. And to dig for something that was buried, so it's it's a really natural process for archaeologists to to pursue that. And so the ground penetrating radar that had been done that show voids at Combe Ron does show that there are underground sort of storage areas. Randall price from liberty university had done a lot of that work on a plateau. And and he too has found void stare that. That he hasn't been able to excavate some of them cut into a cliff. There's like a very steep Wadi that drops right at the edge of Kumaon. So you have to be careful even an excavating caves or anything in that area because it's very collapsible. So we did get our hands on a Lorenzo deep max metal detector, which is probably the best metal detector for that region. A white smell detector is is strong. But that this is a ten thousand dollar metal detector when you add in the technology between being able to read the scans. But and it's a cube. It's a cute that you drag and it can tell the difference between ferrous and nonferrous metals second tell the difference. You know, we're looking for gold silver bronze or something else, and it can give some indication of size, and which is really what had to be done for the copper scroll. And what did it reveal? Well, so for years, so I have to back up a little in two thousand nine and this is just a crazy sort of chronology of events that even Jim was able to do this. But you were able to get a meeting with the equities at thirty and to excavate at three of the sites that were listed in his research, which how this Oklahoma's and investigator was able to get a meeting with the Israel antiquities authority and much less for them to to want to test and probe his research is, you know, as a tell them within itself, but he was able to do it. And so what became clear in that process is that the conference call with sixty locations. And so if you gig all over Kumaon at that kind of debt and sixty different sites. You'll have you'll destroy Koran in the process you'll end up making Koran look like an app close side of the moon, craters everywhere. And so even though he had specific research that pointed to specific places coom Ryan, the sacred site in and of itself to Israel and to the religious community. And so he had to be really careful, and so it became clear that doing nine foot probes income Ron proper was not ideal. And and so for many years, he applied after that dig that dig was abruptly shut down for reasons that I can speculate on, but that we don't know for sure. And so and not archaeologist that had been in charge of the day, and who really believed in Barfield research, and he was the number two person in command of Kumaon. From an archaeological level he actually died in a tragic accident. Not so long after and so it really kind of brought everything to a to a halt. And for whatever reason the Israel antiquity authority denied permission to do an electronic scan of Koran and for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was applying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new readers sometimes waiting out people to retire in the integrity of thirty. And so he returned Israel's something like sixteen times. Right. Sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So this guy's tenacious. He's two nations. So tonight and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of of religious Jews who want who see a third temple and Israel's future really have aligned with Jim Butterfield and weren't hunting succeed. Nothing has ever been found from the interior of the first or second temple. We appointing. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, the retaining walls are still there. We have things that a stone that marks the place of trumpeting, we have priestly weights and scales. We we do we have things, but we don't have. So certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders and ocupation in Jerusalem being destroyed and rebuilt back up, and because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or their religious Esso's that we have. There was one tiny pomegranate that was found that was believed to be on the end of a priestly sceptre, and it had an inscription that said from the house of y'all way or in the house of galley, and it has been proved to be a forgery, which brings us back to the show in terms of what we can sort of the banner that the Temple Mount movement can March under. That they would love for Jim Barfield to be successful. So he really has sort of this this religious cohort of allies that has had campaigned around him. But but just yes for years was knocking on on the wrong doors and really getting nowhere in terms of as being quickies authority approving a permit, which the archaeologists that we worked with really couldn't even understand it said he'd never been denied a permit for something like that before because it was not invasive it wasn't threatening to the ruin especially when we were able to get a hold of the Lorenzo, which is a much better metal detector. So it was really a frustrating time.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

News Radio 920 AM

06:03 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

"After that dig that dig was abruptly shut down for reasons that. That I can speculate on, but we don't know for sure. And so and now archaeologist that had been in charge of the day, and who had really believed in gem Barfield research, and he was the number two person in command of coumarin from an archaeological level he actually died in a tragic accident. Not so long after and so it really kind of brought everything to a to a hot. And for whatever reason the Israel antiquity authority denied permission to do an electronic scan of come on and for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was crying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new leaders sometimes waiting out people to retire in the antiquities authority. And so. Hey returned Israel, something like sixteen times. Right. Sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So this guy's tenacious. He's tenacious. So today says and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of a religious Jews who who want who see a third temple in Israel's premature really have lined with Jim Barfield weren't succeed. Nothing has ever been found from the interior of the first or second temple. We appointing. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, they're retaining walls are still there. We have things that a stone that marks the place of trumpeting, we have priestly weights and scales that we we do we have things, but we don't have. So certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders and ocupation in Jerusalem being destroyed and rebuilt back up, and because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or their religious. So that we have there was one tiny pomegranate that was found that was believed to be on the end of a priestly sceptre, and it had an inscription that said from the house of y'all way or in the house of galley, and it has been proved to be a forgery, which brings us back to the show in terms of what we can sort of the banner that that the Temple Mount movement can March under the. They would love for them Barfield to be successful. So he really has sort of this this religious cohort of allies that has campaigned around him. But but just yes for years was knocking on on the wrong doors and really getting aware in terms of as being equities authority approving a permit, which the archaeologists that we worked with really couldn't even understand it said he had never been denied a permit for something like that before because it was non invasive it wasn't threatening to the ruin especially when we were able to get a hold of the Lorenzo, which is a much better metal detector. So it is really a frustrating time period. He I understand he even met with a member of the modern day, send Hedren. Yes. He met with the whole fan hindred. So right twice. And they and he presented his whole research. He has a he's a report writer for Comanche nation college in Oklahoma. And so after he retired from arson investigation. He actually taught report writing community college. But anyways, he wrote his I mean, you should see his report is two hundred and sixty five pages filled with maps and descriptions in translations, and and, you know, graphic images of the copper scroll. It's a it's a pretty amazing piece of work in and of itself. And so he always he's bringing it to these meetings. And so he presented the San he joined with his research. He's presented lots of people in Israel with his research. All who seems it to, you know, just something heads in disbelief thinking that the answers then there this whole time that Koran has helped us secret the whole time. And so that's. He's gone up the religious letters highs. I can go right? So is it is it a a stubborn bureaucracy? Is it a fear that by unearthing? These these treasures that it will somehow ignite political disputes land claims ignited, I dunno a Middle East war. What is the fear here? What's at stake? He'll probably yes. To all of those technically by Israel's archaeological laws coumarin is areas. See which means that Koran is not Israel proper in in should Israel in peace process, ever, be reignited Kumaon would be under negotiation or that area of Israel negotiation and potentially of ever new Palestinian state. And so by international. International the Geneva, Convention standards. Whatever comes out of that area, whatever's on earth, and and excavations in that area is disputed property because the land is disputed, and so Israel, actually when I say, the is that he was working with the authority that's not entirely true because it's a military weaned every is on its own institution. And technically when something is found in that area. It has to it can be studied. And it can be researched and published by the archaeologists or the scholar that sounded, but it goes into military warehouse afterwards until the land is no longer in.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

10:46 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"It's very collapsible. So we did get our hands on a Lorenzo deep max metal detector, which is probably the best metal detector for that region. A white smell detector is is strong. But that's we're ends. This is a ten thousand dollar metal detector when you add in the technology between being able to read the scans. But and it's a cute. It's a cute that you drag and it can tell the difference between ferrous and nonferrous metals second tell the difference, you know, for looking for gold, silver bronze or something else. And it can give some indication of size and depth, which is really what had to be done for the copper scroll. And what did it reveal? Well, so for years, so. I have to back up a little in two thousand nine and this is just a crazy sort of chronology of events that even Jim barcode was able to do this. But he was able to get a meeting with the equities at thirty and to excavate at three of the sites that were listed in his research, which how this Oklahoma's an investigator was able to get a meeting with the Israel antiquities, a thirty and much less for them to to want to test and probe his research is you know, is a tone within itself. But he was able to do it. And so what became clear in that process is that the copper scoreless sixty locations. And so if you dig all over Kumaon at that kind of debt and sixty different sites. You'll have you'll destroy Koran in the process you'll end up making run look like an up close side of the moon, craters everywhere. And so even though he had specific research that pointed to specific places coom Ron as a sacred site in and of itself to Israel and to the religious community. And so he had to be really careful, and so it became clear that doing nine foot probes income Ron proper was not ideal. And and so for many years, he applied after that dig that dig was abruptly shut down for reasons that. That I can speculate on, but we don't know for sure. And so and not archaeologist that had been in charge of the day, and who had really believed in Denver fields research, and he was the number two person in command of coumarin from an archaeological level he actually died in a tragic accident. Not so long after and so it really kind of brought everything to a to a halt. And for whatever reason the Israel antiquities authority denied permission to do an electronic skin of come on. And for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was applying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new leaders sometimes waiting out people to retire in the antiquities authority. And so he returned Israel's something like sixteen times sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So this guy's tenacious. He's tenacious. So today says and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of religious Jews who who want who see at third temple and Israel's premature really have aligned with Jim Barfield weren't hunter succeed nothing has ever been found from the interior of the first or second temple. We appointing. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, the retaining walls are still there. We have things that stone that marks the place of trumpeting priestly weights and scales that we we do we have things, but we don't have. So certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders occupations, Andrew slammed being destroyed and rebuilt back up. And because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or their religious, those that we have there was one tiny pomegranate that was found that was believed to be on the end of a priestly sceptre, and it had an inscription that said from the house, it'd be all way or in the house of Galway, and it has been proved to be a forgery, which brings us back to the show in terms of what we can sort of the banner that the Temple Mount movement can March under the. They would love for Barfield to be successful. So he really has sort of this this religious cohort of allies that has championed around him. But but just yes for years with knocking on on the wrong doors and really getting nowhere in terms of being equities authority approving a permit, which the archaeologists that we worked with really couldn't even understand it said he'd never been denied a permit for something like that before because it was non invasive it wasn't threatening to ruin especially when we were able to get a hold of the Wren's, which is a much better metal detector. So is really a frustrating time period. He I understand he even met with a member of the modern day, send Hedren. Yes. He met with the whole fan hadn't read so right twice. And they and he presented his whole research. He has a he's a report writer for Comanche nation college in Oklahoma. And so after he retired from arson investigation. He actually taught report writing community college. But anyways, he wrote his I mean, you should see his report is two hundred and sixty five pages filled with maps and descriptions and translations, and and, you know, graphic images of the copper scroll. Just it's it's a pretty amazing piece of work and then of itself, and so he always he's bringing it to these meetings. And so he presented the and he joined with his research. He's presented lots of people in Israel with his research. All who seems it to, you know, just their heads in disbelief thinking that the answers then there this whole time that Koran has held the secret the whole time. And so that's. He's gone up. The religious ladder highs. I can go right? So is it is it a stubborn bureaucracy. Is it a fear that by unearthing? These these treasures that it will somehow ignite political disputes land claims ignited, I dunno a Middle East war. What is the fear here? What's at stake? He'll probably yes. To all of those technically by Israel's archaeological laws whom Ron is areas. See which means that Koran is not Israel proper in in should Israel in peace process, ever be reunited, coumarin would be under negotiation or that area of Israel. Negotiation and potentially part of new Palestinian state. And so by international. International the Geneva, Convention standards. Whatever comes out of that area, whatever's on earth, and and excavations in that area is disputed property because the land is disputed, and so Israel, actually when I say the is that he was working with. Toronto equities authority, that's not entirely true. Because it's a military weaned is around. Equities Atari it's its own institution. And technically when something is found in that area. It has to it can be studied. And it can be researched and published by the archaeologist or the scholar that sounded, but it goes into military warehouse afterwards until the land is no longer in a dispute so that part of Indiana Jones is is fair and accurate. But that this would technically be boxed up in a crate with this fan park, a covenant not so in some ways, maybe they're being wise, maybe inequities authorities smart. And and and and the same ways that we do this and other parts of the world, you know, that there are other soldiers in China, and that they're saving them to be excavated future date when we know that the paint will immediately come off of them, or you know, in Egypt. The pyramids that we know that are void. But maybe you Wade out a better technology that can contest that. That earned more accurately. So other Welby other international examples of playing the waiting game without geology and waiting out the process for the dot ORG to advance and Israel's case, it's the, you know, what they might be waiting out the political conversations, and then standards, and in that case, you know, maybe it's a wise move, certainly a lot of Israel's struggle is always, you know, if if something is put out of the ground if it is the covenant or the altar of incense. Well, then immediately be conspiracies that that they faked that you know, that that it wasn't real that Israel's just doing this to way moorland claims. And so I think that there's there's a lot there, but the different time in Israel and Israel acting boulder now that it had been even just with the previous administration and then America. And so I think that we we might be in a new day just in terms of Israel's guts to do something. Like this just very quickly. We're heading into a break. Does Jim Barfield belief that the ark of the covenant is beneath these ruins and Kumaon. That's he actually believes that it's in a cave outside of comb, Ron and after the break, I'll tell you why we know that something is there. All right. Let's let's do that on the other side. We'll also open up the phone lines and take questions and comments for Shelley the author of the copper scroll project and ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount now taking his into the brake. Rod Stewart's version of ood, LA LA covered by rod in one thousand nine hundred and tribute to the recently deceased, Ronnie lane, a former bandmate.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

05:14 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"And to dig for something that was buried, so it's it's a really a natural process for our gala this to to pursue that. And so the ground penetrating radar that had been done that show Boyd's at Combe Ron does show that there are underground sort of storage areas. Randall price from liberty university had done a lot of that work on the Koran plateau, and and he too has found voids there that that he hasn't been able to excavate some of them cut into a cliff. There's like a very steep Wadi that dropped right at the edge of Kumaon. So you have to be careful even an excavating caves or anything in that area because it's very collapsible. So we did get our hands on a Lorenzo deep max metal detector, which is probably the best metal detector for that region. A white smell detector is is strong. But this is a ten thousand dollar metal detector when you add in the technology between being able to read the scans. But and it's a cute. It's a cute that you drag and it can tell the difference between ferrous and nonferrous metals tell the difference. You know, we're looking for gold silver bronze or something else? And it can give some indication of size and depth, which is really wet and had to be done for the copper scroll. And what did it reveal? Well, so for years, so. I have to back up a little in two thousand nine and this is just a crazy sort of chronology of events that even Jim was able to do this. But you were able to get a meeting with the thirty and to excavate at three of the sites that were listed in his research, which how this Oklahoma's and investigator was able to get a meeting with the Israel antiquities at thirty and much less for them to to want to test and probe his research is you know, is is tell them within itself. But he was able to do it. And so what became clear in that process is that the copper scoreless sixty locations. And so if you dig all over Kumaon at that kind of debt in sixty different sites. You'll have you'll destroy Koran in the process you'll end up making home run looked like an up close shot of the moon, craters everywhere. And so even though he had specific research that pointed specific places coom Ron is a sacred site in and of itself to Israel and to the religious community. And so he had to be really careful, and so it became clear that doing nine foot probes in Coomer on proper what not ideal and and so for many years, he applied after that dig that dig was abruptly shut down for reasons that. I can speculate on, but that we don't know for sure. And so and archaeologist that had been in charge of the day, and who had really believed in Denver fields research, and he was the number two person in command of Kumaon from an archaeological level he actually died in a tragic accident. Not so long after and so it really kind of brought everything to a to a halt. And for whatever reason the Israel is at thirty denied permission to do an electronic skin of come on. And for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was applying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new readers sometimes waiting out people to retire in the antiquities authority. And so he returned Israel something like sixteen times sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So contentious, he's two nations so tonight and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of of religious Jews who who want who see at third temple in Israel's future really have aligned with Jim Barfield exceed nothing has ever been found from the interior the first or second temple. We appointing. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, the retaining walls are still there. We have things that stone that marks the place of trumpeting, we priestly weights and scales that we we do we have things, but we don't have certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders and Accu patients in Jerusalem being destroyed and rebuilt back up, and because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or their religious, those that we have there was one tiny pomegranate that was found that was believed to.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

NewsRadio KFBK

01:39 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

"And for whatever reason the Israel antiquity authority denied permission to do an electronic scan of come on and for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was applying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new readers sometimes waiting out people to retire in the antiquity authority. And so he returned Israel's something like sixteen times. Right. Sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So he's two nations. So tonight and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of religious Jews who who want who see a third temple and Israel's future really have aligned with Jim Butterfield and succeed nothing has ever been found from the interior of the first or second temple. We pretty. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, they're retaining walls are still there. We have things that a stone that marks the place of trumpeting priestly weights and scales that we do we have things, but we don't have. So certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders occupations in Jerusalem being destroyed and rebuilt back up, and because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

11:49 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"D. I R E C T. Two seven nine six four five. We're back with Shelly niece. We're talking about the copper scroll project and of the few cribbing here from Shelly nieces website of the few who have risked their careers and reputations to search for copper, scroll treasures only one remains. He's an unlikely hero of firemen from Oklahoma and award winning investigator named Jim Barfield who treated the copper, scroll like evidence in an arson case and came to an astonishing realization all of the locations described in the copper, scroll have exact architectural matches with Coomer on this rather unimpressive ruined perched on the plateau just off the coast of Israel's Dead Sea at what point does Jim actually traveled to Israel to test his theory. Good question. So he really it was after he identified the first twenty locations. It's not the. That you know, he never says that God told him that the copper scroll treasure was here. He never sort of lays down any Trump cards. But he just kept at it. I mean, he's just a person who once he gets hold of a threat. He's gonna follow it all the way through. So it was once he identified the first twenty locations, and the copper scroll and saw that they all had architectural matches in Qom, Ron. That is when he had to get on a plane and go and see it in person himself, and and sort of walk the copper, scroll on the ground at coumarin because for one he also didn't know if he couldn't tell what the flooring was was like either. So you know, he might be able to match up which will in pools are great cisterns or tear styles are courtyard with all things listed in the copper scroll. But what he didn't know if he could if anybody would be able to break through that ground, or if it would be threatening to ruin itself, and so he flew there with his wife, and that was the first time he had ever been to Israel was to see copper, squirrel. Translation, was correct. And what was his motivation was he a treasure seeker was this a spiritual quest. So no, he is it was definitely spiritual. He says, and and I really after knowing him for a decade. I know that this is true that he just wants these. I don't see be found and returned to Israel, and he has no ulterior motives, he he considers this to be Israel's Israel's birthright, or you know, her. There's no other there. There's no other motive, and it's also not as if anyone would be able to that with any monetary value on these things. Anyway, now, he is a really religious man and very. Very strict keeping in with the Sabbath and with laws of the Torah. But also believer in Jesus. And so he kind of occupies both orbits. He's a little bit of a religious chameleon in that way that when he's with a group of Jews that he speaks the language of tour and of what's important to to religious Jews. But he also is is great with Christian audiences. So I see him kind of navigate both of those worlds and do it. Well because both are important to him. At this point. Is there does the technology exists to do sort of ground penetrating imaging? Can they see what's under the ground? Right. So the technology has has come a long way like you reference oak island. You know, every time that they hit a wall. They always just get a new grand piece of technology to keep the pot moving. But what is what was the problem fifty years ago is that even when there were metal detectors, even when metal detecting technology existed? This is the Dead Sea area, so the soil there is mineralized in a very different way than any other place in the world. And so so metal detectors just gave false positives or we're able to read the soil and the right way. And so for then the beginning when Koran was excavated metal detectors weren't very useful. Jim barfield? When part is that so ground penetrating radar has been done at Combe run. But not for what we were looking for in the copper scroll because the coppers girl. This is it's it's where it occupies some space between this isn't traditional archaeology archaeology digs down to the last level of habitation. And when that's reached you stop the copper, scroll is asking you to dig nine to twelve feet deeper than that. And to dig for something that was buried, so it's it's a really a natural process for archaeologists to to pursue that. And so the ground penetrating radar that had been done does show voids at Combe Ron does show that there are underground of storage areas rental price from liberty university had done a lot of that work on the Koran plateau, and and he has found void stare that. That he hasn't been able to excavate some of them cut into a cliff. It's like a very steep Wadi that drops right at the edge of Quran. So you have to be careful even an excavating caves or anything in that area because it's very collapsible. So we did get our hands on a Lorenzo deep max metal detector, which is probably the best metal detector for that region. A white smell detector is is strong. But that this is a ten thousand dollar metal detector when you add in the technology between being able to read the scans. But and it's a cute. It's a cute that you drag and it can tell the difference between ferrous and nonferrous metals second tell the difference. You know, we're looking for gold silver bronze or something else, and it can give some indication of size, and which is really wet and had to be done for the copper scroll. And what did it reveal? Well, so for years, so. I have to back up a little in two thousand nine and this is just a crazy sort of chronology of events that even JIMBO our food was able to do this. But he was able to get a meeting with the authority and to excavate at three of the sites that were listed in his research, which how this Oklahoma's and investigator was able to get a meeting with the Israel antiquities authority and much less for them to to want to test and probe his research is, you know, as a as a tell them within itself, but he was able to do it. And so what became clear in that process? Is that? The goal is sixty locations. And so if you dig all over Kumaon at that kind of debt and sixty different sites. You'll have you'll destroy Koran in the process you'll end up making Koran look like an up close side of the moon, craters everywhere. And so even though he had specific research that pointed to specific places coom Ryan, the sacred site in and of itself to Israel and to the religious community. And so he had to be really careful, and so it became clear that doing nine foot probes income Ron proper was not ideal. And and so for many years, he applied after that dig that dig was abruptly shut down for reasons that that I can speculate on, but that we don't know for sure. And so and not archaeologist that had been in charge of the day, and who had really believed in Barfield three search, and he was the number two person in command of Kumaon from an archaeological level he actually died and. A tragic cave accident. Not so long after and so it really kind of brought everything to a to a halt. And for whatever reason the Israel antiquity authority denied permission to do an electronic scan of Koran and for years it sat that way for years. Jim Barfield was applying. He was finding new archaeologists. He was writing new reports meeting with new leaders sometimes waiting out people to retire in the integrity of the thirty. And so he returned Israel's something like sixteen times. Right. Sixteen times. Right. Exactly. So this guy's tenacious. He's two nations. So today says and every time, you know, kind of building up this army of allies. A lot of people in the Temple Mount move at a lot of of religious Jews who who want who see third temple and Israel's future really have aligned with Jim Butterfield and wanting to succeed nothing has ever been found from the interior of the first or second temple. We appointing. Exterior evidence from the temples. Now, the retaining walls are still there. We have things that a stone that marks the place of trumpeting we have previously weights and scales. We we do we have things, but we don't have. So certainly, you know, there's no denying the existence of the Jewish temple. But because of two thousand years of invaders and knock you patients in Jerusalem being destroyed and rebuilt back up, and because we can't excavate on the Temple Mount, there's really nothing from from the ritual vessels or their religious that we have. There was one tiny pomegranate that was found that was believed to be on the end of a priestly sceptre, and it had an inscription that said from the house of y'all way or in the house of Yali, and it has been proved to be a forgery, which brings us back to the show in terms of what we can sort of the banner that the Temple Mount movement in March under. That they would love for Jim Barfield to be successful. So he really has sort of this this religious cohort of allies that has championed around him. But but just yes for years with knocking on on the wrong doors and really getting nowhere in terms of the antiquities authority approving a permit, which the archaeologists that we worked with really couldn't even understand it said he'd never been denied a permit for something like that before because it was non invasive it wasn't threatening to the ruin especially when we were able to get a hold of the Lorenzo, which is a much better metal detector. So it was really a frustrating time period. He he understand even met with a member of the modern day, send Hedren. Yes, he met with the whole San hindred. So right twice. And they and he presented his whole research. She has a he's a report writer for..

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"jewish temple" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

04:51 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a contentious issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and this just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was this our nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the temple now that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of fat. There's a famous story that it Camp David negotiating Jerusalem, and Arafat turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever existed on the Temple Mount, according to the Clinton, that's when he kind of knew that that the negotiating. Sins were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can you possibly understand why the Temple Mount would be so important to you both. And and so, but so at that time in that period, the Jordanians we're not denying the existence of the Jewish temple. That'll come later, and they and their narrative in the nineties, and and in fact, that's that's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of Islam mccloughan says to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple and some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention. And and something that's supposedly the Jews made up that they had their temple. They're interesting. The copper scrolls then are actually more dangerous now in terms of than they were at the time. So was allegro convinced from the get-go that this treasure this immense. Unimaginable treasure of gold. Silver. It's cetera was located in and around the caves of Kumaon. No, so allegro does once again at this point his relationship with the rest of the team is is severed, but he launches an expedition. And he's got an archaeologist, you know, editor of at schools that is not the same as archaeology, but he launches an expedition gets British media to cover it. And he believes at the time. He does think that at least a couple of the locations in listed in the copper scroll match architectural elements at Columbia on. But chrome Ryan at the time also wasn't excavated yet. It was rolling devoe was the first excavator combined and also part of the team, and and so that's an ongoing process. You know, there's they're still sort of figuring out the architecture layout of Koran at the time. But now allegro actually. Actually tried to get permission to dig underneath the Temple Mount. Which now I mean, no one no one is allowed to dig and around are under the temple now. And that is a no go for sure now. But at the time, he didn't know that. And so he had a very good relationship with the Jordanian authorities. And so he approached them and he asked them to to be able to excavate under. And he was he was denied permission, which now makes sense at the time he was just baffled. And and so, but he does manage to excavate there's you know in the valley alongside Jerusalem outside of the old city walls. There are very famous and beautiful TAM's. I mean Jerusalem some kind of lined by Tim's and some of them are very ancient. And so he absolutely. To is one that he indicated or according to his copper translation what maybe health coppers cold treasure. They're also were sort of rumors that a non with had been able to find over there at some point. You gotta jump in here. We'll we'll take a timeout come back and continue to delve into this. And also, we'll introduce to the coast audience, Jim Barfield, this retired firefighter and his connection to the copper scroll project back with more on coast to coast AM, the Bellas taking us into the break with spirits sun. Coast to coast AM find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM dot com. The most powerful names and talk or heard right.

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"jewish temple" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

WHAS 840 AM

16:18 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

"Back with Shelly niece. The author of the copper scroll project ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount before the break Shelley. You were describing this one of the central characters in this incredible story, John allegro who sort of a maverick researcher in the in this field of Dead Sea scrolls study was able to the spirit the copper scrolls back to Manchester England and kind of a macgyver day technique of opening the scrolls using some dentists, tools and so forth. And then quickly realized what what was inscribed on these scrolls. It was a treasure map. Let's get into a little bit more detail about exactly what this treasure entails. Right. So so when he opens it he sees that it's written in twelve Collins. And by the way, you know, there's never been what he was looking at is just there's no there's no other ancient metal document like this. I mean, it's not as if this anything like this ever been found in Israel and much less that that the copper scroll. What he sees is that it's it's twelve Collins. Treasure map and describing sixty plus locations. And it's really dry. I mean, if you read the conference grow which. At that point with John. Allegra was this was a special privilege that really no one else would find out what the copper school said for three years, but. Now translations and and transcription transcriptions of the copper scroll down, but it's a really dry inventory. And so to me, that's one of my favorite parts about it. Because it's what believes authenticity. You know? It's not a story. It's not a legend. It's not telling you who wrote. That's why or how it is almost like you were we were able to find someone's personal record of note that that these islands were being hidden, and that they would be able to find their scroll their record and and retrieve the items one day, and so pretty much each each of the list and each of the columns it'll say. Where to go and just a brief sort of note on like a note to self because really it's not super helpful the way to copper scrolls written because it'll stay in Makia courtyard, or you know, besides the steps leading to the east forty keep it. So it's just these these little notes have reference not extremely detailed. And then it will say how deep today which sometimes is up to twelve feet, and and how deep they vary these items. And and then it'll say what you'll you'll find. And and it's usually gold, silver, or some sort of ritual vessel ritual vessels. All right and gold and silver. Does do the copper scrolls sort of quantify the amount of gold the amount of silver? Yes. So it's difficult to know. You know, what an ancient talent was whatever the copper scroll was written. But isn't ancient talent is what we think, and it's about seventy pounds. Then. Coppers girl will be announced listed on the copper, scroll would be the equivalent of a hundred sixty tons of precious metal one hundred and sixty tons of gold and silver or just gold. Gold silver bronze, and sometimes the copper scroll doesn't exactly say what was buried. It'll just give the quantity or the amount. So it's if we add up all of those units, a hundred sixty eight tons of of something precious, silver seems to be the most abundant thing, which I find interesting because in the bible and makes reference to to Solomon's temple and says, you know, that there's a tradition that Solomon and Solomon, simple, silver was his communist rocks, but silvers the most dominant but on several occasions, you know, it's not just gold or silver. It'll say things like like that it's sanctified it'll use word. Stay also get a holy aspect. You know that this treasure sanctified or that it was I retired ties. And sometimes it will save vessels. My favorite is at one point. It says priestly vestments, and so it's just all of these things that, you know, this is no normal. This is no normal treasurer. This is also sacred treasure. Right. So vestments ritualistic vessels gold and silver you mentioned earlier Solomon's temple. So are these treasures belonging to the first temple Solomon's temple? So they definitely belonged to I. Well, most scholars would agree that the temple first second first second temple or the tabernacle. Like, those are the only three places Jewish history that would have had access to such large amount. Counts of treasure. So most scholars believe that it would be second temple treasure. And when I say that scholars are agreeing on something like this that alone is a is a miracle in its own, right? You know, that there would be some sort of scholarly consensus that the copper scrolls authentic. But it's pointing to to real treasure that existed in history because otherwise this is a document, and it has no legendary value, no biblical value. So that's why you know, you can't really deny that. And it was hard to inscribe, and it was expensive to describe all of those hints definitely point to that. This is something something real this isn't a product. And and there's just nowhere else. Injuries son. That would have had such a large amounts of. Silver and gold, and and certainly because of the items that it's listing points for the temple and its own way. Never overtly. Never as saying like, we don't have the word ark of the covenant and the copper, scroll, we know. You know, so much about the Dead Sea scrolls in this could be a whole other show. But they never directly say things, you know, they never directly say that there s things they never directly name their leader. They say teacher of righteousness or their enemy. They say, we could priest, you know, so a lot about that that cease grows as his last two people just scratching their heads and trying to put the historical clues together. They don't make it easy. But there are hints of the temple all over the copper, scroll with the covenant. For example. It doesn't say covenant. But it does in according to some translations say gleaming chamber or treasures of the house. And so there are these sort of little hints that to me feel like temple furniture and full furniture. Freddie listeners. But no little bit of Hebrew behind priestly vestments. There's it looks like there appears to be a letter you which would make it a possessive. So it would turn it into my priestly vestments. So giving some head that the author of the copper scroll with from the priestly class. So whether or not it was Solomon's temple the second temple the person who my books about John Barfield, and and the book chronicles has research, and and his and his theories he strongly believes that this points to the first temple. But most scholars believe that points to the second. We and we will get to Jim Barfield who is the central figure in this amazing story Shelley needs my guest, the author of the copper scroll project and ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount. Now, the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians before they took any of the tribes of Israel into captivity. And the ark of the covenant sort of disappears into the mist of time at that point. If it's the second temple the treasurer of the second temple. It's unlikely that it would be making any illusions to the ark of the covenant is is that fair to say, yes. As far as we know the holy of holies in the second Jewish temple was empty. I mean, we have Roman outside historical records of that thing that. Hey, whenever he might say jury, son. He actually did something that was I'm forgivable in the is as religious then he entered the holy of holies, and he was just astonished to find it and be so yes. So as far as we know the aren't to cover that never made an appearance in the second temple. But the jury is still out as to whether the dark covenant is being alluded to in the copper scroll. And if it is, and that would be highly suggested that we're talking about the first temple. I want to get back to join allegro for a moment though, after he realizes what he is reading. What prevented him from just grabbing a shovel and going back and start digging on his own, right? So this is where it gets interesting and a little conspiratorial as well. But so so allegro. He has he's writing off letters and these girls are red hot. We've got get a shovel. We've gotta start digging. He he does think of Koran he thinks about her places. He's able to not only translate the copper scroll on inside. But also start coming up with ideas and matches that he feels could be could be places for the copper, scroll burial locations and. The thing is is that every Dead Sea scroll. And it's turned out to probably be a mistake. But every Dead Sea, scroll was assigned to a certain scholar and the way that that sea scrolls scholarship works for decades was that that scholar who was assigned to that school was the only one who could publish its contents. And so or you know, if if they a student under them, but the covers girl technically was not assigned to Allegra. It was assigned to another that's useful editor named Joseph Milic, and they had very different attitudes towards the copper scroll which can be seen in sort of the copper scroll history. So allegro. You know, champion the copper scroll believed in its contents believed that was pointing to real treasure and and pub and had a translation immediately available and it was his first priority. Justice Milic was there when the copper scroll was found. And so that's probably why he was given the the thirty to be the one that would publish the copper scroll. He also was probably the best of the Dead Sea scrolls editors I mean, in terms of just his his skill level was probably higher than a Lagos. But still it took him three years to to get around to publishing the copper scroll. So can you imagine being John allegro, and knowing that you had this amazing powerful document that you wanted to show what the world, and you could it you were allowed to so. Although eventually, you know, Donald Legros relationship with the rest of the team gross tense. He does go ahead. He waited three years. But he did go ahead and publish his his his translation before Milic, which was seen by the Dead Sea scrolls team, it's just an unforgivable then and there is, but but now like really downplayed the copper, scroll, he he was he was a Catholic priest and he he just felt like maybe because it didn't have any any ethical value for whatever reason he is Societa did with temple folklore. And so for him. He said that the copper scroll was a prop in an ancient legend, and you know. In some ways that may have been helpful for the time period because that one are raising the Judean desert at this time looking for Dead Sea scrolls. Can you imagine? If work got out that there was gold and silver buried, you know, at the level throughout the desert, or I mean, in some ways, it might have turned out to be a protective measure that had cats, you know, Kumaon from right, right? But but now the copper school schools. How were they being at this point because they are alluding to Solomon's temple or a temple and this then connects to the Temple Mount the Jordanian authorities. Then must be getting very nervous because this copper scroll can confirm the existence of a temple on the Temple Mount. I mean for many people. That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a content. Issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and it's just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was a sovereign nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the Temple Mount that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of Arafat. There's a famous story that it can't David. They're negotiating Jerusalem, and an Arafat tar turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever existed on the Temple Mount. And according to the Clinton, that's when he kind of knew that that the negotiations were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can you possibly understand why the Temple Mount would be so important to you both. And and so, but at that time in that you the Jordanians we're not denying the existence of the. Jewish temple that will come later, and they and they are of narrative in the nineties, and and in fact, that's that's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of Islamic references to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple. And some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention. And and something that's supposedly the Jews made up that they had their temple. They're interesting. The copper scrolls then are actually more dangerous now in terms of than they were at the time. And so was allegro convinced from the get-go that this treasure this immense. Unimaginable treasure of gold silver. It's cetera was located in and around the caves of Kumaon now so allegro does once again at this point his relationship with the rest of the team is is severed, but he launches an expedition. And he's got an archaeologist season. You know? Editors at schools that that is not the same archaeology. But he launches an expedition gets British media to cover it. He believes that the time. He does think that at least a couple of the locations in listed in the copper, scroll match architectural elements at comb, Ron but chrome Ryan at the time also wasn't excavated yet..

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"jewish temple" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

15:51 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"Are back with Shelly niece. The author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount before the break Shelley. You were describing this one of the central characters in this incredible story, John allegro who sort of a maverick researcher in the in this field of Dead Sea scrolls study was able to the spirit the copper schools back to Manchester England and kind of macgyver day, a technique of opening the scrolls using some dentists, tools and so forth. And then quickly realized what what was inscribed on these scrolls. It was a treasure map. Let's get into a little bit more detail about exactly what this treasurer entails. Right. So so when he opens it he sees that it's written and twelve Collins. And by the way, you know, there's never been what he was looking at as just there's no there's no other ancient metal document like this. I mean, it's not as if this anything like this at ever been found in Israel and much less that that the copper scroll what he sees is that it's it's twelve columns. Verbal treasure map and describing sixty plus locations. And it's really dry. I mean, if you read the conference crow which. At that point with Don. Allegra was this was a special privilege that really no one else would find out what the coppers calls for three years. But. Now translations and and transcription transcriptions of the copper scroll down, but it's a really dry, inventory and so two knee. That's one of my favorite parts about it. Because it's what the weeds authenticity. You know? It's not a story. It's not a legend. It's not telling you who wrote. That's why or how it is almost like you were we were able to find someone personal record of note that that these islands were being hidden and that they would be able to find their scroll their record and and retrieve the items one day, and so pretty much each each of the the list than each of the cons. It'll say. Where to go and just a brief sort of note on like a note to south because really it's not super helpful the way to coverage CROs written because it'll stay in my courtyard, or you know, besides the steps leading to the east forty cubits. So it's just these these little notes of reference not extremely detailed. And and then it will say how deep today, which sometimes it's up to twelve feet, and and how deep they vary these items. And and then it'll say what you'll you'll find. And and it's usually gold, silver, or some sort of ritual vessels ritual vessels. All right and gold and silver. Does do the copper scrolls quantified the amount of gold the amount of silver? Yes. So it's difficult to know. You know, what an ancient talent was whatever the copper scroll was written. But if an ancient talent is what we think it's about seventy pounds. Then. Coppers girl will be announced listed on the copper, scroll would be the equivalent of a hundred sixty tons of precious metal one hundred and sixty tons of gold and silver or gold. Gold silver bronze, and sometimes the copper scroll doesn't exactly say what was buried. It'll just give the quantity or the end now. So it's if we add up all of those units, a hundred sixty eight tons of of something precious, silver seems to be the most abundant thing, which I just find interesting because in the bible and makes reference that the Solomon's temple and says, you know, that there's a tradition that Salomon and Solomon's temple silver was his communist rocks, but silvers the most dominant but on several occasions, you know, it's not just gold or silver. It'll say things like like that. It's. Sanctified? It'll use words they also get a holy aspect. You know, the treasure sanctified or that it was I retired ties. And sometimes it will save vessels. My favorite is at one point. It says priestly vestments, and so it's just all of these things that. This is no normal. This is no normal treasurer. This is also sacred treasure. Right. So vestments ritualistic vessels gold and silver. You you mentioned earlier Solomon's temple. So are these treasures belonging to the first? Temple Solomon's temple. So they definitely belonged to well. Most scholars would agree that the temple first second first second temple or the tabernacle. Like, those are the only three places Jewish history that would have had access to such large amounts of treasure. So most scholars believe that it would be second set bull treasure. And when I say that scholars are agreeing on something like this that alone is a is a miracle. It's all right. You know, that there would be some sort of scholarly consensus that the copper scroll benthic, but it's pointing to to real treasure that existed in Henry because otherwise this is a document that has no legendary value, no biblical value. So that's why you know, you can't really deny that it, and it was hard to inscribe, and it was expensive describes all of those hints definitely point that this is something something real this isn't a rock and and there's just nowhere else injuries. That would have had a large amounts of. Silver and gold, and and certainly because of the items that it's listing point for the temple and its own way. Never overtly. It never as saying like, we don't have the word ark of the covenant and the copper, scroll, we it's. But you know, so much about the Dead Sea scrolls in this could be a whole other show. But they never directly say things they never directly say that there s scenes they never directly named their leader. They say teacher of righteous after their enemy. They say, we could priest, you know, so a lot about, but that's he's grows. His last two people just scratching their heads and trying to put the historical clues together. They don't make it easy. But there are hints of the temple all over the copper scroll. But the covenant, for example, it doesn't say the covenant. But it does in according to some translations say gleaming chamber or or treasures of the house. And so there are these sort of little hints that to me. We feel like temple furniture apple furniture. Is that if for any listeners, but now a little bit of Hebrew behind priestly vestments? There's it looks like there appears to be a letter you which would make a possessive. So it would turn it into my priestly vestments. So giving some hint that the author the copper scroll with from the priestly class. So whether or not it was Solomon's temple the second temple the person who my books about them Barfield, and and the book chronicles his research and his and his theories he strongly believes that this points to the first temple. But most scholars believe that points for the second. We and we will get to Jim Barfield who is the central figure in this amazing story Shelley niece. My guest the author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount. Now, the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians before they took any of the tribes of Israel into captivity. And the ark of the covenant sort of disappears into the mist of time at that point. If it's the second temple the treasurer of the second temple. It's unlikely that it would be making any illusions to the arc of the covenant is is that fair to say, yes. As far as we know the holy of holies in the second Jewish temple was the I mean, we have Roman outside historical records of that thing that. Pay whenever he March theory jury son, he actually did something that was unforgivable on the is as religious Jews, then he entered the holy of holies, and he was just astonished to find it and be so yes. So as far as we know the aren't gonna cover that never made an appearance in the second temple. But the jury is still out as to whether the dark covenant is being alluded to in the copper scroll. And if it is, and that would be highly suggested that we're talking about the first temple. I want to get back to to join allegro for a moment though, after he realizes what he is reading what prevented him from just grabbing a shovel and going back and start digging on his own, right? So this is where it gets interesting and little conspiratorial as well. But so so allegro. Yes. He's writing off letters. And he's saying these girls are red hot. We've got gotta get his shovel. We've gotta start digging. He he does think of Koran he thinks about places he's able to not only translate the copper scroll on inside. But also start coming up with ideas and matches that he feels could be could be places for the copper scroll burial. Okay since and. The thing is is that every Dead Sea scroll. And it's turned out to probably be a mistake, but every Dead Sea, scroll was the signed to a certain scholar and the way that that sea scrolls scholarship worked for decades was that that scholar who was assigned to that school was the only one who could publish content, and so or you know, if if they a student under them, but the covers girl technically was not assigned to allegro it was assigned to another. That's he's editor named Joseph Milic, and they had very different attitudes towards the copper scroll which can be seen in sort of the coppers calls history. So allegro. You know champion the copper scroll believed in its contents believed. It was pointing to real treasure and pub and had a translation immediately available and it was his first priority. Joseph Milic was there when the copper scroll was found. And so that's probably why he was given the thirty to be the one that would. How is the copper scroll? He also was probably the best of the Dead Sea scrolls editors I mean, in terms of Justice, his skill level was probably higher than a Lagos. But still it took him three years to get around to publishing the copper scroll. So can you imagine being Donald and and knowing that you had there's amazing powerful document you wanted to share with the world, and you could you were allowed to do. So although eventually, you know, Donald Legros relationship with the rest of the team gross ten. He does go ahead. He waited three years. But he did go ahead and publish his his his translation before Malik which was seen by the Dead Sea, scroll team is just an unforgivable then and there is, but but now like really downplay the copper, scroll he he was he was a Catholic priest and he he just felt like maybe because. Is it didn't have any any ethical value for whatever reason he is Societa that with temple folklore. And so for him. He said that the copper scroll with a prop an ancient legend and. You know, in some ways that may have been helpful for the time period because that one are raising would you day in desert at this time looking for that cease called can you imagine if word got out that there was gold and silver buried at the level throughout the desert, or I mean, in some ways, it might have turned out to be a protective measure that cats, you know, Kumaon from right, right? But but now the copper school schools. How are they being at this point because they are alluding to Solomon's temple or a temple and this then connects to the Temple Mount the Jordanian authorities. Then must be getting very nervous because this copper scroll can confirmed the existence of a temple on the Temple Mount. I mean for many people. That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a contentious issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and it's just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was this nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the Temple Mount that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of Arafat. There's a famous story that it can't David negotiating Jerusalem and Arafat turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever existed on the Temple Mount. And according to the Clinton, that's when he knew that that the negotiations were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can you possibly understand why the Temple Mount would be important to you both. And and so, but. At that time period. The Jordanian is we're not denying the existence of the Jewish Kabul. That'll come later, and they and the narrative and the nineties, and and in fact, that's what's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of his references to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple. And some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention and something that's supposedly the Jews made up that they had their temple. They're interesting. The copper scrolls then are actually more dangerous now in terms of than they were at the time. And so was allegro convinced from the get-go that this treasure this immense. Unimaginable treasure of gold, silver, et cetera. Was located in and around the caves coumarin now so allegro does once again at this point his relationship with the rest of the team is is severed, but he launches an expedition..

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15:27 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on WTVN

"And we are back with Shelley knees. The author of the copper scroll project and ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount before the break Shelley. You were describing this one of the central characters in this incredible story, John allegro who sort of a maverick researcher in the in this field of the Dead Sea. Scrolls study was able to spirit the copper scrolls back to Manchester England and kind of a macgyver day technique of opening the scrolls using some dentists, tools and so forth. And then quickly realized what what was inscribed on these scrolls. It was a treasure map. Let's get into a little bit more detail about exactly what this treasurer entails. Right. So so when he opens it he sees that it's written and twelve Collins. And by the way, you know, there's never been what he was looking at as just there's no there's no other ancient metal document like this. I mean, it's not as if this anything like this ever been found in Israel and much less that that the copper scroll what he sees is that it's it's twelve columns. Verbal treasure map and describing sixty plus locations. And it's really dry. I mean, if you read the conference crow which. At that point with John. Allegra was this was a special privilege that really no one else would find out what the copper school said for three years, but. Now translations and and transcription transcriptions of the copper scroll down, but it's a really dry inventory. And so to me, that's one of my favorite parts about it. Because it's what believes authenticity. You know? It's not a story. It's not a legend. It's not telling you who wrote. That's why or how it is almost like you were we were able to find someone's personal record of note that that these islands were being hidden, and that they would be able to find their scroll their record and and retrieve the items one day, and so pretty much each each of the the list and each of the columns it'll say. Where to go and just a brief sort of note on like a note this self because really it's not super helpful the way to cover scrolls written because it'll stay in Makia courtyard, or you know, besides the steps leading to the east forty keep it. So it's just these these little notes have reference not extremely detailed. And then it will say how deep today which sometimes is up to twelve feet, and and how deep they vary these items. And and then it'll say what you'll you'll find. And and it's usually gold, silver, or some sort of ritual vessels ritual vessels. All right and gold and silver. Does do the copper scrolls? Sort of quantify the amount of gold the amount of silver. Yes. So it's difficult to know. You know, what an ancient talent was whatever the copper scroll was written. But isn't ancient talent is what we think, and it's about seventy pounds. Then. Coppers girl at the amounts listed on the copper, scroll would be the equivalent of a hundred sixty tons of precious metal one hundred and sixty tons of gold and silver or just gold. Gold silver bronze, and sometimes the copper scroll doesn't exactly say what was buried. It'll just give the quantity or the amount. So if we add up all of those units a hundred and sixty eight tons of of something precious, silver seems to be the most abundant thing, which I just find interesting because in the bible and makes reference to the Solomon's temple and says, you know, that there's a tradition that Solomon and Solomon's simple, silver was his communist rocks, but silvers the most dominant but on several occasions, you know, it's not just gold or silver. It'll say things like like that it's sanctified it'll use word. Words, they also get a holy aspect. You know that this treasure sanctified or that it was a retired ties. And sometimes it will save vessels. My favorite is at one point. It says priestly vestments, and so it's just all of these things that. You know, this is no normal. This is no normal treasurer. This is also sacred treasure. Right. So vestments ritualistic vessels gold and silver. You mentioned earlier Solomon's temple. So. Are these treasures belonging to the first? Temple Solomon's temple. So they definitely belonged to a well most scholars would agree that the temple first second first second temple or the tabernacle like those would be only three places in Jewish history. That would have had access to such large amounts of treasure. So most scholars believe that it would be second set Bal treasure. And when I say that scholars are agreeing on something like this that alone is a is a miracle. It's all right. You know, that there would be some sort of scholarly consensus that the copper scrolls accent? But it's pointing to to real treasure that existed in history because otherwise this is the document that has no legendary value, no biblical value. So that's why you know, you can't really deny that it, and it was hard to inscribe and it was expensive to inscribe. So all of those definitely point to that. This is something something real this isn't a product. And and there's just no where else injuries that would have had such a large amounts of silver and gold, and and certainly because of the items that it's listing at point for the temple and its own way never over. Vertically never as saying like, we don't have the word ark of the covenant and the copper, scroll, we, but you know, so much about the Dead Sea scrolls in this could be a whole other show. But they never directly say things, you know, they never directly say that there s seen they never directly name their leader. They say teacher of righteousness or their enemy. They say, we could priest you know, so a lot about, but that cease grows as his last two people just scratching their heads and trying to put the historical clues together. They don't make it easy. But there are hints of the temple all over the covers crawl with the covenant, for example. It doesn't say the covenant. But it does in according to some translations say gleaming chamber or or treasures of the house. And so there are these sort of little hints that to me feel like temple furniture full furniture. For any listeners. But now a little bit of Hebrew behind priestly vestments. There's it looks like there appears to be a letter you would which would make it a possessive. So it would turn it into my priestly vestments. So giving some hint that the author of the copper scroll with some the priestly class. So whether or not it was Solomon's temple the second temple the person who my books about John Barfield, and the book chronicles his research and his and his theories he strongly believes that this points to the first temple. But most scholars believe it points to the second. We we will get to Jim Barfield who is the central figure in this amazing story Shelley niece. My guest the author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount. Now, the first temple was destroyed by the the baloney ins before they took. Any of the tribes of Israel into captivity? And the ark of the covenant sort of disappears into the mist of time at that point. If it's the second temple the treasurer of the second temple. It's unlikely that it would be making any illusions to the ark of the covenant is is that fair to say, yes. As far as we know the holy of holies in the second Jewish temple with the. I mean, we have Roman outside historical records of that thing that. Hey, whenever he might say jury, son. He actually did something that was I'm forgivable in the eyes is as religious Jews, then he entered the holy of holies, and he was just astonished to find it and the so yes. So as far as we know the aren't to cover that never made an appearance in the second temple. But the jury is still out as to whether the dark covenant is being alluded to in the copper scroll. And if it is, and that would be highly suggested that we're talking about the first temple. I want to get back to to join allegro for a moment though, after he realizes what he is reading what prevented him from just grabbing a shovel and going back and start digging on his own. Right. So this is where it gets interesting and a little conspiratorial as well. But so so allegro. Yes. He's writing off letters. And he's saying these girls are red hot. We've gotta get a shovel. We've gotta start digging. He he does think of Kumaon he thinks of other places. He's able to not only translate the copper scroll on hindsight. But also start coming up with ideas and matches that he feels could be could be places for the copper, scroll burial locations and. The thing is is that every Dead Sea scroll, and it's turned out to probably be a mistakes, but every Dead Sea, scroll was assigned to a certain scholar and the way that that sea scroll scholarship worked for decades was that that scholar who was assigned to that school was the only one who could publish its contents. And so or you know, if if they a student under them, but the covers girl technically was not assigned to allegro it was assigned to another that's useful editor named Joseph Milic, and they had very different attitudes towards the copper scroll which can be seen and sort of the copper scroll history. So allegro, you know, champion the copper scroll believed in its contents believed that was pointing to real treasure and and pub and had a translation immediately available and it was his first priority Justice. Milic was there when the copper scroll was found. And so that's probably why he was given the authority to be the one that would publish the copper scroll. He also was probably the best of the Dead Sea scrolls editors I mean, in terms of just his his skill level was probably higher than a Lagos. But still it took him three years to get around to publishing the copper scroll. So can you imagine being John allegro? And and knowing that you had this amazing powerful document that you wanted to show the world, and and you could you were allowed to so although eventually, you know, Donald Legros relationship with the rest of the team gross ten. He does go ahead. He waited three years, but he did go ahead and publish his his his translation before Milic which was seen by the Dead Sea scrolls team, it's just an unforgivable sin, and there is but but now like. Really downplayed the copper scroll. He he was. He was a Catholic priest and he he just felt like maybe because it didn't have any any ethical value for whatever reason key associated it with temple folklore. And so for him. He said that the copper scroll was a prop in an ancient legend and. You know, in some ways that may have been helpful for the time period because that one are raising the Judean desert at this time looking for that cease calls, can you imagine if word got out that there was gold and silver buried, you know, at the level throughout the desert, or I mean, though, in some ways, it might have turned out to be a protective measure that had cats. You know, cool Ron from right, right? But but now the copper school schools. How were they being at this point because they are alluding to Solomon's temple or a temple and this then connects to the Temple Mount the Jordanian authorities. Then must be getting very nervous because this copper scroll can confirm the existence of a temple on the Temple Mount. I mean for many people. That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a contentious issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and it's just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was a sovereign nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the Temple Mount that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of Arafat. There's a famous story that it can't David know, they're negotiating Theresa. And Arafat tar turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever existed on the Temple Mount. And according to the Clinton, that's when he kind of knew that that the negotiations were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can you possibly understand why the Temple Mount would be so important to you both. And and so, but at that time in that period, the Jordanians we're not denying the existence of the Jewish temple that will come later, and they and the narrative and the nineties, and and in fact, that's what's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of Islamic references to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple. And some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention. And and something that's supposedly the Jews made up that they had their temple. They're interesting. The copper scrolls then are actually more dangerous now in terms of. Of than they were at the time..

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KFI AM 640

16:48 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"We are back with Shelley knees. The author of the copper scroll project ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount before the break Shelley. You were describing this one of the central characters in this incredible story, John allegro who sort of a maverick researcher in the in this field of the Dead Sea scrolls study was able to the spirit the copper scrolls back to Manchester England and kind of a macgyver a technique of opening the scrolls using some dentists, tools and so forth. And then quickly realized what what was inscribed on these scrolls. It was a treasure map. Let's get into a little bit more detail about exactly what this treasurer entails. Right. So so when he opens it he sees that it's written and twelve columns, and by the way, you know, there's never been that what he was looking at is just there's no there's no other metal document like this. I mean, it's not as this anything like this ever been found in Israel and much less that that the copper scroll what he sees is that it's it's twelve columns verbal tiger map and describing sixty plus locations. And it's really dry. I mean, if you read the conference call which. At that point with John. Allegra was this was a special privilege that really no one else would find out what the Cuppers call said for three years, but now translations and transcripts persons of the copper scroll down, but it's a really dry inventory. And so to me, that's one of my favorite parts about it. Because it's what the weeds authenticity. You know? It's not a story. It's not a legend. It's not telling you who wrote. That's why or how it is almost like you were we were able to find someone's personal record of note that that these items were being hidden, and that they would be able to find their scroll their record and and retrieve the items one day, and so pretty much each each of the the list than each of the columns it'll say where to go and just a brief sort of note on like a note to self because really it's not super helpful the way to cover scrolls written because it'll stay in March. Courtyard or you know, besides the steps leading to the east forty cubits. So it's just these these little notes have reference not extremely detailed. And then it will say how deep today which sometimes is up to twelve feet, and and how deep they buried these items. And and then it'll say what you'll you'll find. And and it's usually gold, silver, or some sort of ritual vessels ritual vessels. All right and gold and silver. Does do the copper scrolls quantified the amount of gold the amount of silver? Yes. So it's difficult to know. You know, what an ancient talent was whenever the copper scroll was written. But if an ancient talent is what we think about seventy pounds. Then. The copper scroll will be announced listed on the copper, scroll would be the equivalent of a hundred sixty tons of precious metal one hundred and sixty tons of gold and silver or just gold. Gold silver bronze, and sometimes the copper scroll doesn't exactly say what was buried. It'll just give the quantity or the amount. So it's if we add up all of those units, a hundred sixty eight times of of something precious sober seems to be the most abundant thing, which I find interesting because in the bible and makes reference that the Solomon's temple and says, you know, that there's a tradition that Solomon and Solomon, simple, silver was his communist rocks, but silvers the most dominant but on several occasions, you know, it's not just gold or silver. It'll say things like like that. It's. Sanctified? It'll use words they also give it a holy aspect. You know that this treasure sanctified or that it was a retired ties. And sometimes it will save vessels. My favorite is at one point. It says priestly vestments, and so it's just all of these things that. This is no normal. This is no normal treasurer. This is also sacred treasure. Right. So vestments ritualistic vessels gold and silver. You mentioned earlier Solomon's temple. So. Are these treasures belonging to the first? Temple Solomon's temple. So they definitely belonged to a well most scholars would agree that the temple first second first second temple or the tabernacle. Those are the only three places in Jewish history. That would have had access to such large amounts of treasure. So most scholars believe that it would be second set Bal treasure. And when I say that scholars are green on something. Like, this that alone is is a miracle. It's all right. You know, that there would be some sort of scholarly consensus that the culprit scrolls authentic that it's pointing to to real treasure that existed in history because otherwise this is a document that has no legendary value, no biblical value. So that's why you know, you can't really deny that it, and it was hard to inscribe, and it was expensive to describes all of those definitely point to that. This is something something real this event approx, and and there's just nowhere else in Jerusalem that would have had such large amounts of. Silver and gold, and and certainly because of the items that it's listing points for the temple on its own way. Never overtly it never as saying. We don't have the word ark of the covenant and the copper scroll. We it's you know, so much about the Dead Sea scrolls in this could be a whole other show. But they never directly say things, you know, they never directly say that there s scenes they never directly named their leader. They say teacher of righteousness or their enemy. They say wicked priests. You know, so a lot about the Dead Sea scrolls as his last two people just scratching their heads and trying to put the historical clues together. They don't make it easy. But there are hints of the temple all over the problem with the covenant, for example. It doesn't say the covenant. But it does in according to some translations say gleaming chamber or treasures of the house. And so there are these sort of little hints that to me. We feel like temple furniture apple furniture. It's for any listeners. But now a little bit of Hebrew behind priestly vestments. There's it looks like there appears to be a letter you which would make a possessive. So it would turn it into my priestly vestments. So giving some hit that the author of the copper scroll with some the priestly class. So whether or not it was Solomon's temple the second temple the person who my books about Jim Barfield, and and the book chronicles his research, and and his and his theories he believes that this points to the first temple. But most scholars believe that points to the second. We and we will get to Jim Barfield who is the central figure in this amazing story Shelley niece. My guest the author of the copper scroll project in ancient secret fuels the battle for the Temple Mount. Now, the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians before they took. Many of the tribes of Israel into captivity. And the ark of the covenant sort of disappears into the mist of time at that point. If it's the second temple the treasurer of the second temple. It's unlikely that it would. Be making any illusions to the ark of the covenant. Is that fair to say, yes? As far as we know the holy of holies in the second Jewish temple was empty. I mean, we have Roman outside historical records of that thing that. Have pay whenever he might surgery, son. He actually did something that was unforgivable in the eyes of as religious Jews, then he entered the holy of holies. And he was just astonished to find it and be so yeah. So as far as we know the aren't going to cover that never made an appearance in the second temple. But the jury is still out as to whether the dark the covenant is being alluded to in the copper scroll. And if it is, and that would be highly suggested that we're talking about the first temple. I want to get back to John allegro for a moment though, after he realizes what he is reading. What prevented him from just grabbing a shovel and going back and start digging on his own, right? So this is where it gets interesting and little conspiratorial as well. But so so allegro. Yes. He's writing off letters. And he's saying these girls are red hot. We've got to get his shovel. We've gotta start digging. He he does think of Koran he thinks of other places he's able to not only translate the copper scroll on inside. But also start coming up with ideas and matches that he feels could be could be places for the copper scroll burial locations. And. The thing is is that every Dead Sea scroll. And it's turned out to probably be a mistake, but every school was assigned to a certain scholar and the way that sea scrolls scholarship, work for decades was that that scholar who was assigned to that school would be only one who could publish its contents. And so or you know, if if they a student under them, but the covers girl technically was not assigned to allegro it was assigned to another debts. He's co editor named Joseph Milic, and they had very different attitudes towards the copper scroll which can be seen in sort of the copper scroll history. So allegro, you know, champions, the copper scroll believed in its contents believed. It was planning to real ties and pub and had a translation immediately available, and it was his first priority Joseph another was there. When the copper scroll was found. And so that's probably why he was given the authority to be the one that would publish the copper scroll. He also was probably the best of the Dead Sea. Scroll editors I mean, in terms of just his his skill level was probably higher than a Lagos. But still it took him three years to to get around to publishing the copper scroll. So can you imagine being John allegro? And and knowing that you had this amazing powerful document that you wanted to share with the world, and and you could it you were allowed to so although eventually, you know, Jonah Legros relationship with the rest of the team gross tense. He does go ahead. He waited three years. But he did go ahead and publish his his his translation before Malik which was seen by that cease growth team is just an unforgivable that and then there is, but but now like really downplayed the. Copper scroll. He was he was a Catholic priest, and he he just felt like maybe because it didn't have any any ethical value for whatever reason he is Societa that with temple folklore. And so for him. He said that the copper scroll was a prop in an ancient legend and. In some ways that may have been helpful for the time period because that one are raising the Judean desert at this time looking for Dempsey's calls, can you imagine? If word got out that there was gold and silver buried deep levels throughout the desert, or I mean, though, in some ways, it might have turned out to be a protective measure that cats, you know, Kumaon from right, right? But now the copper school schools. How are they being at this point because they are alluding to Solomon's temple or a temple and this then connects to the Temple Mount the Jordanian authorities. Then must be getting very nervous because this copper scroll can confirm the existence of a temple on the Temple Mount. I mean for many people. That's it seems. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But it's a contentious issue in the Middle East. Absolutely. So at that time, and this just shows how the narrative changed once Israel was a sovereign nation. But at that time, there was actually no debate about whether or not a Jewish temple once existed on the temple now that actually sort of Palestinian denial of the temple started around the time of Arafat, there's a famous story that it can't David negotiating Jerusalem, and Arafat tar turns to Bill Clinton and says that there was no Jewish temple that ever existed on the Temple Mount, according to the Clinton, that's when he kind of knew that that were dead in the water because if you can't both at least acknowledge the historical facts, then how can you possibly understand why the Temple Mount would be so important to you both. And and so, but at that time in that period, the Jordanians we're not denying. The existence of the Jewish temple. That'll come later, and they and the narrative and the nineties, and and in fact, that's that's amazing, right? Is that there's plenty of Islamic references to Solomon's temple to the Jewish temple. And some of the earliest sources, but yet now it's a source of contention. And and something that's supposedly the Jews made up that they had their temple. They're interesting. The copper scrolls that are actually more dangerous now in terms of the than they were at the time. So was allegro convinced from the get-go that this treasure this immense. Unimaginable treasure of gold, silver etcetera. Was located in and around the caves a Kumaon now so allegro does once again at this point his relationship with the rest of the team is is severed, but he launches an expedition, and he's got an archaeologist. He's the editor of at schools that that is not the same as archaeology, but he launches an expedition gets British media to cover it. And he believes that the time he does think that at least a couple of the locations in listed in the copper scroll match architectural elements at comb run. But chrome Ron at the time also wasn't excavated yet. It was rolling devoe was the first excavator of Koran and also part of the team, and and so that's an ongoing process. You know, there's there's still sort of figuring out the architectural layout of Koran at the time. But now allegro actually. Actually tried to get permission to dig underneath the Temple Mount. Which now I mean, no one no one is allowed to dig in around are under the temple now. And that is a no go for sure now. But at the time, he didn't know that. And so he had a very good relationship with the Jordanian authorities. And so he approached them, and he asked them to to be able to actually under. And he was he was denied permission, which now makes sense at the time he was just baffled..

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"jewish temple" Discussed on Savage Lovecast

Savage Lovecast

04:07 min | 3 years ago

"jewish temple" Discussed on Savage Lovecast

"Wife who suffers from chronic and untreatable painful intercourse must find the strength to endure such pain and not only endure it, but hide it as much as possible from her husband and do her best to fulfil the one purpose for which God designed her and that is the sexual pleasure of her husband, the author of wildlife should into our painful sex with her husband opens by condemning sadism and sadists because it's not okay to have painful sex with someone who might actually enjoy having painful sex with you. It's only okay to inflict painful sex on some poor woman who doesn't enjoy it. Because with that against Corinthians Romans, Matthew Mark, we can say what you like about all the honest status out there with ads on confetti websites and sometimes calls here on the savage love cast. At least they're looking for self aware self actualized masochists for people who enjoy a certain amount or certain kind of pain during sex, and these sadists often portrayed as monsters on crime procedural 's they're willing to negotiate about limits, and safe words, and even go get a bottom a little ice cream. After a particularly intense seen good and decent. Sadists don't manipulate their partners. With bronze age bullshit about magic sky friends, threatening them with damnation and eternal suffering. If they don't suck it up or lay there and endure it here on earth. Good indecent. Sadists don't do that for the same reason. Good and decent. Christians don't do that. Because it's wrong after reading all the way through a wife should endure painful sex with her husband. I had to click on the about section because I really wanted to know more about the website, and the author Larry Sullivan, not his real name is passionate about the allergy history, human nature and computers. He works in IT taught. Sunday school. The about me section goes on and on and on Larry is white white male in his forties, attended a Christian high school has various technical certificates and does not right under his own name. He says for the same reason Christ hid himself from the Jews. I'm no biblical scholar myself. But a kind of remember recall believed that Christ himself was it you anyway, you have to endure the pain of reading all the way to the end of the about me section before you get to this. Well, first before we get to this. If you're standing please, sit if you're driving please pull over if you're sucking a deck. What comes next could transform that dick into a choking hazard. So please put the dick down everybody writing. Okay. At the end of the about me section. You will find this. I was divorced from my first wife after she committed adultery. Yup. The wife of the man behind articles like wildlife should endure painful sex with her husband and its companion piece how a husband can enjoy sex that causes his wife pain as well. As other epic biblical citation. Specked articles like why husbands are not accountable to their wives? And why God wants you to stay in an abusive relationship that man's wife decided after who knows how many shitty painful sexual encounters. Not to mention who knows how many shitty painful conversations, she decided to go fuck someone else. And after fucking that someone else she decided to divorce. Larry's sorry ass. That's what I was. Divorced means. Larry writes, I was divorced. That means he didn't divorce her his first wife, divorced him, and who can blame her Jesus forgave. The woman taken an adultery. Taken an adultery his bible speak for Kadhamy act, telling the angry mob that wanted to stone that women to death the angry mob of man outside the Jewish temple. Where? Jesus was hiding from the Jews that day. He told them that the man without sin should cast the first stone, and then told the woman taken an adultery to go home and sin. No more John seven fifty three to eleven I'm guessing Jesus would have done the same for. Larry's wife told the mob and Larry to fuck off. And then given Larry's wife the name of a nice single Jewish divorce lawyer along with his blessing to keep fucking guys better than Larry at sex and better than Larry at Christianity to okay, we've got a great show for you today..

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Homeless vet to get all cash raised by New Jersey couple

AP News

00:33 sec | 4 years ago

Homeless vet to get all cash raised by New Jersey couple

"Of David museum plans to launch the tech guided tour this month VR company worked with Kiala gist from the Israel antiquities authority together. They created three hundred sixty degrees simulations of how Jerusalem's citadel palaces streets and ancient Jewish temple at believed to have appeared in the first century BC was the time of king Herod, he invested heavily in large construction projects across his realm, including a major expansion of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem and the fortress and palace where the tower of David

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White House, Julie Walker and Philadelphia discussed on 24 Hour News

24 Hour News

03:44 min | 4 years ago

White House, Julie Walker and Philadelphia discussed on 24 Hour News

"The Greek capital, torching homes cars and forests and killing dozens AP correspondent Charles de, LA desma says there are. Also numerous injuries rescue crews have been searching the remains of homes and cars in the deadliest. Of the fires the one in, the referenda area, northeast of Athens and there were fears the death toll could rise more protesters greeted vice President Mike Pence during his visit to Philadelphia, AP's at. Julie Walker reports they were just as characters from the novel. Turned TV series the Handmaid's tale they wore the long red cloaks and the white bonnets that are a hallmark of the Handmaid's tale which imagines a future in which women's rights. Are strictly limited there were also chance of this nightmare must end protester Marsha private talk says the Handmaid's represent. What could be I think this is become a custodian society in that. Illustrates what's avenue In the United States Brecqhou knee and measures yet Knows what's coming was in Philadelphia touting Trump's tax cuts and campaigning. For Pennsylvania Senate candidate labar leda a, staunch conservative I'm Julie Walker A group of Thai youth soccer players are preparing to be ordained as. Buddhist novices a week after being released from the hospital after being. Trapped in a cave in northern Thailand for more than two weeks eleven. Of the twelve boys who were rescued during a daring mission earlier this. Month have had their heads shaved head of Wednesday's ordination ceremony only one of the boys. Will not be ordained because he's not Buddhist the voice coach who was with them in the cave has also had his head shaved he'll be ordained on Wednesday as. A Buddhist monk An ancient stone. From Jerusalem's western wall dislodged and. Crashed into an adjacent prayer area on Monday the, western wall remnant of the compound where the biblical Jewish temples once stood is the holiest sites where Jews comprise footage shows, the, block, plummeting and. Landing on a raised wooden platform used for egalitarian prayer western wall rabbi Shmuel, Rabinovitch called it a most unusual. Events that hadn't happened in decades he says most, euro punk growth could have dislodged the stone Jerusalem Mugniyah Barakat said it's a great miracle that the one hundred kilograms stone landed, near a worshiper and didn't hurt her the area was closed for. Maintenance the president wants to revoke security clearances for six former top national. Security officials accused of politicizing their roles AP's Jackie Quinn reports that has. Some members of congress speaking out Kentucky Republican Senator rand Paul brought up the idea of. Revoking the security clearance for former CIA director John Brennan after Brennan suggested. The president's behavior with Russia's President Putin was nothing, short of treasonous the White House announced five other former officials might also be stripped of their access democrat Adam Schiff on, the, house, intelligence committee. Says that would be a despicable action that is not what you've seen a, democracy That is exactly what you. See in Thawra Teheran regimes White House press secretary Sarah Sanders accuses the officials of politicizing their public service making these baseless charges provides inappropriate legitimacy but Shiff accuses the White House of playing politics Jackie Quinn Washington A copy of the famous join or, die political cartoon from a newspaper that Benjamin Franklin owned in seventeen fifty four is up for auction it's the only copy known to exist outside of the library. Of congress the, cartoon features the colonies fractured in the form of. A serpent and it was aimed to rally the British, colonies to, join against. The French and their native American allies during the.

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