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Rock Candy Ep. 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy

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Rock Candy Ep. 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy

"So lately it's been hard out here for everybody literally every single person except all of the people that do not give shit that the Rony is out there or the people who love being introverted like they are just celebrating right now. But you need to check in on your introvert front or you're extrovert guys. We are not. They're having a hard time. Actually I'm actually not doing as badly as I could after well this weekend. Honestly I still had a ton of shit to do. 'cause my job at a bar with still ongoing and you got to deliver be. I mean I got to deliver me to people who were very clearly terrified of me and some of them win even give me a tip so cool thanks risking your life in the corona virus. I could catch fucking Ronie from you and you can't even give me a fiver but that even I even three singles something anything something. Yeah so I have been doing that and I have been writing notes for this and I've just been like fucking busy but after tonight I'm not GonNa have shit to do all and also we're going to. I'm going to be stuck here forever because there's a snowstorm because why not do. This mind is fucking snowstorm. Not Why not yeah? Why not? Times are weird guys. But you've got US WE'RE GONNA help you guys get through. You'RE GONNA listen to our bullshitting like Ha- Maggie Nassar hilarious. We're here to entertain you while you're a shut in and you know what honestly you could join in on the fun with us in turn this into a drinking game you could you could though. I mean we're drinking so like why don't you take take hot second? We'll wait. Pour yourself appear more wine or whisky. You know whatever you like to drink. We AIN'T GONNA judge you. Drinking white claws still ain't no laws. Clearly there are no laws town. There are kind of strict laws of like self quarantining but also there's no loss. Yeah like so if you are. There's no laws within these walls. Barium got it okay. I don't know 'cause yourself quarantining. Okay Yeah I mean I know you're right you're really good really now and in breast Show me what you've got show. May Watch you've qualified anyway. I would say at this point. You probably have your drink ready. You go why not turn this into a drinking game with us. I'm going to say I haven't even for it. I want to call it the today. Times are Extra Spicy Rock Candy. Podcast drinking game. Ooh I like it. I like it so you gotta drink whenever we talk about heroin. Yeah you gotta drink whenever we tell people not to touch children. Yeah gotTa Drink God you guys are GonNa be Shit faced before the end. GotTa drink whenever I do a really bad segue. You have to drink if we say Dick and or balls come on. You're GONNA kill them. I mean the the first three rules alone. They'RE GONNA die. So maybe if we use Dick and balls in same sentence you have to remember. This is the extra spicy. Yes Drinking Game. Sure so spice. Okay so how also journey? We talk about mad as reading since ninety spicy Okay okay drink every time that we make a stupid pun yet. Okay me. Not when ever we mentioned Dick or balls or balls maybe whenever we make a joke like a good Dick Joe. Could Dick Choke them? Good to that's up to your discretion you have to determine if it's a good Dick Joker not yup. Yeah there you go. I think that's all we need. Because they're gonNa be you guys are going to be Real Shitty. But here's the thing you're home right now and you can't go anywhere. Yeah this trump is you want. You're not driving right now. So and quite frankly. Ashleigh ain't got nothing to do after this. I however do have to go to work. You do have to go to work but I mean I can always sleep here and just go home in the writing but what I want and why I think both of us want is for you guys to messages you slide. Nordea's and tell us when you're real drug could just tell us about how you are when you're extra spicy when you once you get extra spice let us know spice you are was no. Hey feel about being spice. Yeah and we'll just have let's keep the conversations going guys and then you need to tell us which spice girl you identify with most. And that's the name of we did it. We did it anyway so now that you guys are all holding near drinking game rules. Yeah I don't know if we actually made any sense but drink with converse with us because right now we're all we got guys so we're here for you if you need to have conversations but for accompanying us on our booze journey tonight. We are drinking from Brew Dog. And it's still out. I've seen it in Oliver's so I know still on it it's called jet black heart. It is in oatmeal milk stout with natural vanilla flavor. And that's because we're talking about Joan Jett and the blackheart suck. Yeah Wow it took us a long time to get here. Yeah just realize that drink guys. Welcome to rocky drank again. Sorry you're weekly podcast. Bringing yes sweet treats from the world of music every time you're listening that's always a treat I think anyway I hope and yes this week. We are discussing the one and only Joan Jett to continue our tons on women's history month. Wow you know what fuck it? Leave it to the Corona Virus Bogart. Women's history is so we're here to bring it back to you guys with the one. Only Miss Joan Jett because corona might come and go but women's history month is forever. It is also where you're Maggie. I'm Ashley Wow we are fucking this up. It's been a week like nothing. Is the same guys drink? They're already sloshed. Yay Join US in Slosh fell. Will you as we divulge into the tail of the One and only Joan Jett? I have a feeling we're GONNA leave this with opinions. Yes we're going to get spicy arlene. Yeah Mary this is the extra spicy episode. Ruak Stra spice Over old spice. There's time for Rochester. All over this episode. Yup maybe like with a bear on it made me some chipotle Mayo. That is that is spicy mayonnaise. It is that is actually spicy. Manny's yeah all right. Let's get into it okay. So I kind of had to break this up into two separate parts because there's two very big sections to Jones life. There's the runaways. Yes and there is her solo career. Yes so the first half is going to be a lot about the runaways. In general okay with the focus on Joan. Yeah 'cause fucking runaways. Story is jacked up like that movie with secure storage. Kristen Stewart Chris. Kristen Stewart and Dakota fanning. Yeah and they played the runaways. Very believably I'm sure. Did you watch the? I never saw it. I don't WanNa see it same and I'm kind of I duNno Joan. Jett was like a main Consultant I guess for that. And I don't I from what I know about the runaways Very curious to see how this goes down. Yeah have you seen it new? Oh okay I mean when last week when we had our episode I Cherry bomb more about the runaways. Yeah Yeah we do a whole episode. Just on the runways. It's Fox guys but anyway let's get into Joan Jett yes herself. Miss Jet Miss Jet. Joan Jett is the indelible feminist a hard ass clad in full leather cover sneakers. She has spent her forty plus year. Career advocating for women animals and fought for their right to equality but it hasn't always been smooth sailing. She hit her fair share of bumps in the road and some of them. Don't make her look too good. And Eamon Challenge her image as a feminist mother Theresa who it all started on September twenty. Second Nineteen fifty-eight when Joan was born to Jim and Dadi Larkin. She was the eldest of three kids with a younger sister and brother they lived in winwood. Pennsylvania a suburb of Philadelphia. Her father. Jim was an insurance salesman. And Daddy was secretary. Truly the picture of Nineteen Fifty. S Domestic Bliss. Yeah sounds about right. Joan and her mother loved to go to the movies when she was a kid. Movies had a huge impact on her especially the movie version of the musical cabaret. She was captivated by its Campinas in innocent raunch which no doubt stuck with Joan and influenced her image and sound later in life that checks in nineteen sixty seven. When was nine years old? The family moved to Rockville Maryland. Here in Maryland Jones started coming into her own. It helped that she had some pretty progressive parents for the time they encourage shown and siblings to be anything. They wanted to be disregarded gender norms. Nice good parents shit. That's progressive very if shown wanted to be an astronaut. Ajab reserved for men than fucking. Joan was going to be a fucking astronaut. Nice with that attitude in mind. She started to explore music when she was thirteen. She asked her parents for a guitar for Christmas. She was surprised to find that her parents got her a sears. Silverton guitar which was electric. Oh that was what she truly wanted. Not In acoustic folk singer but something she could really whale on like Jimi Hendrix. She's like my parents won't go that. Wa- right mom and dad you did it by was being conservative about this. But sure I'M NOT GONNA say no. I don't WanNA give tourists in the mouth it an actual gift horse. Yeah sure sure. Joan drove her family bonkers that guitar playing the same thing over and over until she mastered it. And that's when her parents were girded the electric guitar all the recruits. Oh another drinking thing is if we say prager. Nance per Gannon aunt or starch marks. Yeah Oh God. I hope someone gets per Gannon Anton this drake time. She started taking guitar lessons but her teacher said girls. Don't play rock and roll and May Joan play folksongs. That's at the time. Yeah women could be. Musicians have great careers but there are always singing. Pretty songs in mousy voices on Acoustic Guitars wearing flowing. Flowery hippy dresses they CJ Michelle Balloon. Yeah but she was still kind of like that. She was still like the hippy. Long hair and beads. Yeah but she like. She didn't sound hippy. Dippy she didn't sound like Joni Mitchell. No no but to Joan. That image of the female folksinger was a feminist trope in itself. And if you weren't Joni Mitchell or Joan Baez then you're group Era Slot. And why was there? No Middle Ground That's when Joan realize the whole women's Lib Movement of the Sixties and seventies was basically bullshit. So she pretty much told her guitar teacher to fuck off and never went back. It's almost like any group of people that come together on a common ideal. Have very specific ideal. Yeah and if you try to move outside of that box a little bit well then you're not part of the deal are you and you can get the fuck out. You're betraying them here of a traer. Yeah and then you look at them but what about women's Lib and they're like It has to be this kind of women's Lib. Yeah or else it doesn't count. Unfortunately that follows with most premature everything movement ever young. I'm going with pretty much. Everything in the early seventies around when Jonas fourteen her parents uprooted and moved to West covina California a suburb suburb of Los Angeles. Covina's a real place. Yeah Oh why so? It's in my crazy ex. Kirch isn't crazy ex girlfriend. It's the police that the main character moves to Song West Covina and I'm like that's not a real place that's a real place. Well Shit they have big pretzels. Good for them right now. I WANNA go. That is something to brag about something. Have you seen my big pretzels joke? I thought that almost two calls Joel. Stern BIG PRETZELS L. Swayed him around on track. After the move Jones parents divorced. Oh West Covina could not save. The marriage should not now we know Joan went with her mother officially changing her last name to her mother's maiden name of jets so no Joan Jett is not a stage name it is her legit legal name Nice. I wasn't gonNA ask. I figured you'd tell me all right but it very much sounds like stage name. Yeah right it's just the alteration. Yeah if she was like Samantha. Jet Blue jet is a bad ass. Last name Ryan has two TS. So like la. In the early nineteen seventies was pretty bunkers place. You don't say it's still kind of a bonkers plays it was consumed with Hollywood in rock and roll in people just trying to make it in some way or in the midst of all this was. Glam rock which found a majorly solid footing in the L. A. Club scene particularly popular was a club called Ronnie Bingen. Heimer English disco. I can't say it without Rodney. Sure a real person was a major player in the La Music scene dubbed the mayor of Sunset. Strip he was a DJ for care. O Q and is credited with bringing Glam rock to L. A. Good for him. You know. That's a nice thing to put on your resume. I guess his his hair was awful. Though if your hair should be great I mean it was great for Glam rock but he liked just stayed with it way too long. It's like Glam. Rock is dead but not on my head. They go fun with that one. Oh God extra spicy so spice spice the English disco was a haven for weirdos outcasts. And that's exactly why Joan was drawn to it. Although she was only fifteen years old Jones started going to the disco often networking with the strangest of the strange and a lot of famous names to and this is where she met another young girl named Kerry chrome carry was only thirteen. Is that her real name? I'm assuming so because that is even more bad ass and Joan Jett. Yeah carry chrome spelled with Kay's Kerry chrome. Yeah that's more was way more. Bada not to not to take from Jones sped ethnic but the carrying Rome's pretty good. Yeah Joan Jett and Kerry Chrome bff's solvent mysteries all right. We both went there. Good Good Carey was only thirteen at the time. But she was a regular in the club circuit and an Insp- an aspiring lyric writer. The two tried writing music together but quickly realize the spark wasn't there and became good friends instead. Still the fire was lit under Jones ass and the idea to start an all female rock and roll band became her mission. That's pretty fucking red. How will does Joan at this point? Fifteen oh Jesus yet like wire there are all of these young and all these babies just around the bar scene. Okay Kerry introduced Joan to a guy named Kim Foley and a boy. Kim fully is a poor person. Kim Song rank just fucking just drink half your fucking cup get the fuck right. Kim Saw something special in Joan and set out to make Jones stream of an all female band come true but he did but before we get to that. Let's dive into Kim's troubled history shall we? Do we have to? You need to understand who who this guy I know but I don't want everybody else needs to know y'all need to know about it. You shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Kim made his name in the Glam Rock Club circuit. Just like Rodney Bing Heimer. His name wasn't half as cool though he also had another name and that rhymes with maximum abuser does cool but of course those things were kept hush hush and people just said he was eccentric in actuality he was praying on extremely young women sexually abusing them and in most cases raping them. Rad Dad. He's just a Rad guy. He doesn't even get the distinction of being a dad. He's just a guy I don't know if he s kids I don't think it. Does he ever had kids to give you an example of how gross he was he wants took out an ad in an La Zine called back door man. Oh come on in it. He said he was basically looking for an underage sex slave to quote if you are eighteen and like it or if you are under eighteen and legally emancipated with paperwork then you may have just stumbled upon the opportunity of a lifetime. I demand a blonde blue-eyed sex dog a modern. Brigitte Bardot with no sagged out to stretch marks starch marks starch marks. Drink Brown hair and Brown is tolerated only if it is massively tinted with biker MAMA VIBES SURF. Stink is most appealing. What WOULD SURF STINK SURF? Sti Surf stick just like a Sandy Vagina. Sani butthole small bass swap. It might be swamped. I don't know why I didn't. I could not bear to Google. Search stink couldn't guys. Can someone cancel. Might be tipsy right now. One for the team. Google Surf Stink and let us know what it is. Thank you. It's GONNA be horrible. No pictures please no pictures. Pictures Kerry chrome unfortunately was one young woman that Kim exploited by the time. She met Joan. In Nineteen seventy-five Kim was routinely raping Kerry considering the culture of the mid seventies rock and roll scene. His abusive teenage girls was an open secret. That no one dared whistle blow. I don't know why I mean. Nobody likes this guy right but it was time. That's new for could excuse. Hey drink don't fucking touch kids like don't rape anyone but don't fucking touch kids. Yeah and that's like that. How is that not like if you meet somebody who touches a kid and you're not like a kid but also why was it so accepted like why everybody knew that he only went after women? Who are under eighteen? Yeah say they probably would see a girl who was like fifteen walk into the bombing. She doesn't stand a chance against him. No because that's just what I don't understand why if nobody actually from everything I read. It seems like nobody really liked the guy. He was very difficult. Very fucking weird. Oh yeah nobody liked him. So why was everybody completely okay with him? Raping Teenage Girls Rich. No I got nothing I mean. Maybe he had like one or two hits that he was a part of so. He made money off of them from the sixties. But they weren't anything like crazy so I don't. He didn't have a TON OF MONEY. That doesn't it doesn't make sense. It makes fucking sense like when you have power get it. But you're I don't see how he had any power. The only power he had was that he was dumb enough to just stick his nose in every single music person's business spending women and force himself to be a part of it so that they had to like except him just accept that he was there and he was part of it. I'll use that fucking guy. Yeah he was like that guy in college. That would like somehow weasels. Way into like your game nine. You're like how the fuck did not get here. None of us like Chad. Why is Chad? Here's what we always pick Chad and I'm sorry to Chad's let's pick a different name. Why is Tim always here? There's too many good tim's out. There was some bad tim's to now how about Douglas Jerry Oud Sherry Jerry. That's a good on. Why the fuck is Jerry here? Who INVITED JERRY? And everyone's like is share. Why is he here? I don't know and nobody likes him out. Fuck and hangs around like nobody has the heart to be like. Nobody has the balls. None of us had the balls in college. You can't you just can't sit with us. Yeah nobody had the ball go. Full Gretchen wieners on them. And then when you date. Everyone's like why? Why did you? You're being rational because I did go. Fokker Tim Weiner on somebody wants and I got an I became the asshole. How did this backfire on me? Yeah I'm just saying exactly what all of you have said behind their back. Five hundred time cool. Yeah they non fire. And that's why Kim Fowler's felt Foley I don't give a shit alleys foully Foley. Fowley doesn't matter. He's an asshole care. He doesn't get to have his name said properly. Wayne is that's motherfucker. Get to stick around is people. Just don't know how to be confrontational and say look man. No he likes you and if somebody does stand up like other people shame how nation like hey man only iota. He's raping underage girls and he's doing something that was beyond deplore. That's fucking S- GUSTA. Yeah Oh fuck yourself. Joan has repeatedly said that she was never touched groped or in any way molested by Kim fully. She still maintains that they got along. Great and worked well together. I'm not sure that I believe that entirely. But Nevertheless Joan took him on as her manager and Kim set out to recruit teenage women for her bands in. Maybe maybe he didn't touch her me this type arguably yes. She was not stink. But here's my problem. She very much knew what he was doing. Hundred Bird area much knew what he was doing to her friends. Oh Yes oh yes she did and that is where my big problem with Joan? Jett comes in. Oh yes and we'll get into that farther down so we can you take that and sit in your lap and some kind of hold onto. It had it for a while and then we can pop back out all right. The first to sign on was sandy west. She was also fifteen years old and play drums. She and Kim had met a few days earlier at the bar at the Rainbow Bar and grill in. Kim was impressed with her. He got her phone number and pass it on to Joan the next day. Joan took four buses to Sandy's house so they could jam together shit they connected instantly and on a whole different level that right there that jam session between Joan and Sandy was the beginning of the runaways. Hell Yeah they recruited a basis by the name of Micky Steele. Mickey was a little older around twenty when she joined the band but she didn't stay very long. Write these days. You might know her better as Michael Steele the basis for another all female rock band. The bengals I'll that's right I do remember learning about that That's crazy. I totally forgot about that. They replace Mickey with California Surfer Girl. Jackie Fox Jackie was another fifteen year old that Kim discovered when she was dancing at the rainbow. God wait a minute. California Surfer Girl Surf Stink. Oh Gosh goal run away. Oh my God that's why they're the runaways here. Cut Make me bird so I can fly far forever away from here. She didn't even know how to play Bass but she wanted in with the band so badly that she learned overnight. Oh Shit well that's awesome. She still wasn't very good but she had the look and Kim liked her. But but I mean here's the thing to her credit we to fuck in just like I'm GonNa Learn it and maybe she wasn't great overnight but I'm sure as time progressed. She got much better honestly. It's not like all of them. Were fucking VIRTUOSOS. They were still teenage ladies. Exactly so yeah. While the girls like the idea of being three piece it was obviously Joan was still way too shy to sing lead vocals. They searched for another girl to lead the band and found it. And Cherie Currie fanning and I do believe it's Cherie. Oh Okay because that is how Joan pronounced a in the documentary bad reputation that I watch tonight soom she would know yeah and also. Suri has a twin sister named Murray. Oh my gosh so this makes that Sharia meringue Cherie and Marie her. Mom's a real shame the fucking worse. Cherie Currie already knew Joan. Because they ran in the same. Glam rock scene. Kim brought Cherie into audition telling her to prepare a suzy. Quattro Song but chemical. Joan didn't know how to play the one she prepared. So Kim and Joan wrote a song on the spot for her to sing within twenty minutes they had Cherry Bomb Ryan and Cherie nailed it. Yeah you'd know that if you listen to last week's episode welcome. It was obvious that she was the perfect blonde bombshell to front the band so she was in sandy then found lead afford a sixteen year old guitarist to play. Lead Guitar. Thus the main lineup of the runways emerged Sui Joan Jett Played Rhythm Guitar And then leader was need. We are tar. Sandy was bass. Drums are seniors drums. Jackie was based Jackie was base. Then Suri was vocals yet. Wow five chicks. That's like five people in a band is a lot. That's a lot like anyone. That's like a five piece. I'm like damn five piece nugget. It's a lot going on there and it's a lot of meat. I'm Hungry Hungry House nuggets. They started playing club gigs around. La Gaining a pretty good following worked on an album. In late nineteen seventy-five their self titled Debut Album was released on June first. Nineteen seventy six by then they nabbed a record deal with mercury records and that deal included another one with Kim Fowley which basically gave him complete control over every aspect of the band. Get THE FUCK. Outta there which also makes me think like if Jones on lake this feminist bent and just wants like an all female women empowerment kind of thing Why did she give him flake? Such control. Over the band's I will see this? She was younger she was it was the seventies. Yeah in this might have been what she thought was the only way to do it right. She might have not seen any other avenues. Which and I guess. He was on the things that we did in our teen years early twenties. It's like I thought this is one of my could. Do IT TURNS OUT. I could do other than yeah and I guess if he's not trying to fuck with her then she's more inclined to be like all right. That's fine I mean to be on this is fucking with the other members of the band. He could have control over them that way. Yes I mean. Maybe she is one hundred percent honest about him never fucking with her because she is going to be the leader she's leader. I can't fuck with the leader. Yeah but I can fuck with the other ones around her. Just because he's not fucking with her doesn't mean it's okay for her to gloss over the fact that he's fucking with everybody else. No not at all. I'm just trying to figure out her kind of Saiki. Yeah is she might have just seen this. As the only way. Yeah 'cause it was the seventy s and she was still a teenager true so yeah or maybe she thought well his name's Kim and Kim as a girl's name so fuck you Kim Fowley so his control included producing the record in co writing. Most of the songs okay. He even refused to allow Jackie to play bass on the album instead bringing in Nigel Harrison. From blondie to play right. Yeah I remember learning about to Fox bad. Joan was obsessed with the idea of women playing hard rock in all female band right because it hadn't really been done before and she wanted a band full of bad ass boss Babes giving a middle finger to the man. Yeah now is the attitude. The girl's adopted right. Which is ironic. Considering how much control Kim had over them and that he fucking replaced their basis with a two he marketed. The girls as jail bait. He told Cherie to wear a corset underwear and fish nets as her stage costume. He over sexualize all of them and mind you. The average age of these girls was fifteen. Yup Jones Cherie at least saw his hyper sexualize branding as empowering. They weren't thinking that this child molester was telling them to ramp up the sex appeal they saw it as owning their sex appeal. Okay in which I guess. Yeah I some people I mean definitely some that is very much a how you see a kind of thing. Yeah very own but then also hold up is your level of comfort with that. Yeah everyone's GonNa Ha. Everyone's going to have a different level of comfort with that right especially in the band Not Everyone's Joan Sherry Cherie whatever because of their image people treated them as a novelty. Yeah they thought it was really cute when they saw their shows but once they realize the girls were serious about their music and we're just there to fulfill a male fantasy people got angry. Oh the media wasn't nice to them either to the media. These girls were whores without responsible parents. That were encouraging young. Girls to be whores. They were constantly asked about sex and sexuality during interviews instead of their music. Joan made a point not to answer those questions because if she did all the runways would be about was sex right. No one would ever talk about their music if they indulged journalists dumb questions. It's true though it's true even today. Here's thing for what it's worth. Yeah I'm not in love with how Kim Fowley marketed them. I mean that was gross and abusive and manipulative. However you know what media don't take it the complete other way either right. There's a middle fucking ground there not horrible people. Because Cherie is wearing a corset kids. Yeah doing one adult. Do you fucking problem. Go to the fucking guy telling them what to do. A lot of journalists were really fucking disgusting about it. Like one guy wrote about seeing their show in a magazine. What I forgot what magazine was but he literally said that like watching them perform he was like he was trying to like Jack off on the side of the stage because of how he saw Cherie. That's what fire discussed ways you fired. No should have been fired. No he was absolutely not got this fucking gusting they actually printed that that guy can also go fuck himself. Yeah so it's like no matter what they did they were getting shit for it. Yeah it's it's such bullshit because it's like you're still playing into this male fantasy Men still fucking control that Shit. Yeah Bullshit it was hard to be in the runways for a while they were pelted with bottles and batteries and all kinds of shit at their shows beaten up and even suffered broken bones because people couldn't handle the fact that they were women playing hard and fast rock and roll confusing feelings. I have to beat them up. I have a boner. I'm really mad about the homeowner walking. Hey people making matters. Worse was the ever present Kim Foley looming over everything. Yeah his way of keeping things interesting was to pit the girls against each other encouraging them to argue and hold grudges he would also physically abuse them like throwing jars of peanut butter at them during rehearsals and verbally abusing them all for the sake of quote unquote letting them know what they're going to be up against on. Yeah Age. Oh I know this story I know you were just using them. He'd just having a good old time because he was fucking bunker. Oh you should know like what you're going to be up against like no no no because you know any other ban wouldn't be up against people throwing shit at them from the audience. Maybe like empower them. Instead of beating them down shit sexual abuse was ever present any often used street drugs. Inqu- alludes to incapacitate his victims and rape them. Yeah this is exactly what basis Jackie Fox said happened to her. She recently revealed that on New Year's Eve in one thousand nine seventy five. She was told to take a quote by crew member being fifteen or sixteen and afraid to say no she took it shortly thereafter while she was paralyzed in floating in and out of consciousness. Kim fully raped her in front of a room full of people. Yeah Jackie called Joan. Cherie out for being present in the room. During the attack Jones response was less than stellar. She didn't say it didn't happen but she said she was. Quote not aware of the incident Joan Inexplicably Defense Kim often As recently as two thousand eighteen she told rolling. Stone that quotes. These girls could have walked away at any time if they were uncomfortable. Which is exactly what victim blamer say. Yeah she continued quote. I find a lot of people blame blame Kim. Because he's dead because he recently died. Yes so it's easy for the girls to say this or that and I just don't see it that way. No one was making anyone's stay so if they were uncomfortable in didn't like it. Why were you hanging out? I don't get it and quote. See this is why I have a problem with Tony. Oh this is a big problem. I have with Joan Jett I like. Here's the thing if you said this twenty years ago fuck if you said this ten years ago but like you came out two years ago and said he was wrong. That was wrong fine. 'cause here's the thing like. I don't WANNA cancel culture on people because it doesn't give them the chance to try to see the error of their ways but if you're going to get called out and still just like triple down. I have a big fucking problem with you. Yeah if your response to being called out by being A bystander and doing anything If your responses Mimi me and not actually responding to what happened to the victim that means you're probably guilty of something. Oh Yeah and don't tout the queen of Feminism. If you're going to fix the blame yeah because that is exactly what she's doing right now. She is one hundred percent victim blaming Jackie Fox for being a fifteen year old. Who got drugged? Because she didn't know how to say no teen. Yeah they were fifteen sixteen like and you know he couldn't just leave. They couldn't just say no. They were constantly surrounded by people of authority they were under contracts. They were doing world tours. They felt obligated to stay there. They couldn't just walk away. They were being manipulated by an abuser. Exactly who told them they couldn't walk away? Sorry Joan but you can't just get up and walk away and just because you had a different experience than Jackie did doesn't make Jackie's experience less valid right. And you know it's interesting. I learned in my research from last week that Cherie for a long time was a critic of Kim. As he was getting closer to his deathbed all of a sudden her tune changed And all of a sudden she was like I'm going to help him and take care of him and he was a really good guy. And cherise response to Jackie's Story when she actually came out and said it was almost worse than Jones. Her reaction was basically like I will do whatever it takes to prove that I wasn't there and she's a liar. I will blame like why are you so like you know so so hell bent on proving that you weren't there you could've just said. I was really drug to an item knows gone and walked away. That's and that's the thing like the two of them were drinking and doing drugs this whole time. They could have been passed out in the room and just not have remembered anything so yeah. Jackie could be right. They could have been in the room but they could have been passed out to. Yes so it's just their reactions Jones end cherise are just absolutely fucking fat and this is where like female solidarity really comes into play because the fact that we're not standing by each other side when men are still sexually assaulting us Is Gross. This is why they still get away with it. This is why it took Harvey Weinstein. How long to get put into fucking jail yet? But now he's got the rone's good vine fucking good. I don't even care yet. Good die you piece of shit honestly. Yeah I try really hard not to be that person but all but I'm going to be that person with him. Yeah good fucking life. I think he's fine. Actually he's pretty. Happy has a hope. He probably hopes he dies two because he's not going to make an in jail but that's the thing these fuckers keep doing this. We still keep getting stories of men Dr Luke with Canada. The these things are still happening because women are just not standing by each other and were saying Oh. She's just saying that because we think we need to stand by these men for their power. No if we fucking stood by each other you know what what power do the men have and especially in the music industry because the metoo movement hasn't really gotten to the music industry at Trion. It's trying and I thought maybe it would with the cash and Dr Luke thing but nope. Nope still have still to win. And that's the thing. I kind of feel like Joan might be worried that it will get into the music industry. And then she could be held liable for some things or people could just come for her. And be like what you're saying is bullshit and you're not supporting your fellow female ban me and that's really shitty so maybe come out and just be there for your fellow. Funding women don't just try to satit to cover your ass. You know just fucking supporter and if you were there spe- lake. Yeah I was there and I was fifteen. I didn't know what else to do. Yeah that's totally understandable. Yeah that is a perfectly fine. Excuse Yeah I get cancel culture scary and that's why I think we need to be more apt to forgive if someone genuinely comes out and says yo I believe this and it was wrong and I'm sorry you learned. That's amazing exactly what needs to. Yes Fuck Joan. Needs to learn a little bit from these. Yeah he's moments anyway. Yeah Anyway we take this despite the abuse. Jackie kept quiet and continued with the band. Their debut album was successful. Which meant a world. Tour was imminent. England had a much easier time accepting the band so they spent a Lotta time playing shows there. Yeah that sounds right. This is where Jones started getting into punk rock. She was hugely influenced by the sex pistols. Who became good friends of hers and she brought the Punk rock aesthetic back to the west coast. Black Moto jacket tight. Leather Pants convers. This was Joan Jett's image for the rest of her career still is so exactly what she's like. L. Exactly the same. She does pull it off though for her. She does she'll she really does look really good. Yeah but it was Japan. There really loved the runaways. You don't say they always fucking love. All of the people we talk about. They really do Kudos Japan. We don't celebrate you enough. The Japanese people treated them like the Beatles. They made television appearances. Had their own TV special they were mobbed at the airport and they released. Japanese only album called live in Japan which went gold. Joan attributes their success there to Japan's female audience. They understood what it was like to be treated as second class citizens and they understood the message. Joan was trying to communicate with the runways. It was in Japan that the girls got their first real paycheck but it was basically pennies. That made them wonder how come they hadn't been getting paid up until now. Oh there they are yeah they are. It is air. It is There are selling out shows left and right headlining a huge tour of Japan. But they weren't seeing any money. They still had to ask him for money to go get tampons or food I Bet I fucking but he loves how he 'cause he was their daddy in the middle of the Japanese tour of the girls realize something pretty awful was going on. Just one thing as may know what you should also drink when there's bullshit contracts bullshit. As mentioned before Kim Lake depit the girls against each other he was back on his bullshit in Japan and it turned into a blowout. Oh they were handed the tour Book Kim. Put together to give out wall in Japan immediately. The girls notice something was not right about it. It barely featured the band as a whole instead it was mostly centerfold like photos of Cherie in underwear and of course it basically softcore porn. Oh the girls were furious but they were furious at the wrong person on. Oh come on IPE blamed Cherie for doing the photo shoot in the first place. Not Kim for setting it up and making the tour booklet. This created a schism. That would eventually break the band up. Yeah sounds about right after getting home from Japan. Jackie Fox made the smart decision to quit the band hood on top of the sexual abuse. The girls were working their asses off to the point of exhaustion. They never got breaks. They weren't getting paid in their every move was controlled by Kim. Cherise walked soon after Jackie. She was addicted to cocaine calebs. She was only seventeen. 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Yeah the other one was queens of noise which they were they were arguably also would have been a really good title for this podcast. Why didn't we think of that as we are fucking dumb asses clearly drink? The media was so used to seeing the bleach blonde. Cherie fronting the band that they do accept the raven haired Guitarist as its leader but Joan did in any way she graduated from the shy girl on the side of the stage to front and center singing lead vocals just in time for a world tour opening for the ramones. Nellie as as much as she tried. Joan couldn't keep the cracks from forming. The runaways recorded their last album and now dot dot dot the runaways in nineteen seventy seventy eight with John. Alcock producing alcock. The album wis going in a heavier. More punk rock direction than previous runaway. Went Away Waco's but things weren't going so great with the producer he had a camaraderie with Lita Ford and Sandy West and it was clear the three of them wanted to make an album without Joan. Ooh She felt left out. Ooh I think eventually they did try to make an album and it fell apart. Yeah it pushed a wedge between the band eventually splintering the group apart there was so much tension in the band. Joan decided to dissolve it all together. I mean could she do that? Yeah I mean all the Fanta rates. Maybe okay kicked out. So who else is going to own it? Yeah Mary she felt like a failure. Oh like everybody was pointing a finger at her saying we told you so. We told you that you can do it. Oh that's some bullshit. She did it she did do it she did was she was a success at it. One hundred percent yes to deal with the dissolution of her Dream Jones started drinking and partying a lot yeah She would have an apartment full of famous musician. Friends hardcore drinking and partying it up at all hours of the night she was working at. She was working at the time attempting to fulfill the runaways obligations to mercury records with a movie called. We're all crazy okay. Was it like a documentary? No it was a drama. It was loosely loosely based on the runaways and featured Joan in the lead role. Oh that's weird. Yeah I two players but then actors everyone. Yes that's weird. That is weird. Yeah but Jones hard partying got in the way and the movie was scrapped when she was hospitalized for a heart. Infection what yeah. I don't know what that really means. Heart infection no but yes. She was put in the hospital cheese. And she's like what twenty three. Maybe not even twenty seventy eight twenty. Jesus Christ just yeah. She recovered but she was still lost and not sure what to do with her. Now that her ban was gone through an actress she worked with on the movie. Joan mid songwriter and producer. Kenny Laguna the two decided to write music together. Which was a strange pairing. If you think about it okay. Kenny Laguna was known for Bubblegum. Pop hits from the sixties all. My God like Yummy Yummy Yummy by Ohio Express Yummy Yummy I got love in my tummy and some stuff in my tummy. It's not bags of cocaine. It's Farts yes in my tummy. Okay your head. It works and it was an odd pairing but it worked together. They marry Jones rough and tough exterior with a more palatable. Sound and great hooks they set out to record Jones. Tab You solo album simply called Joan Jett. It was later re released in. They called a bad reputation. Oh 'cause I knew what song is on. Yeah plenty of cover songs which Joan would become known for. Yeah yeah she did. A lot of cover has gone through her spotify. It's a lot of cover. Yeah I don't know what the covers the same time I'm like. Does she not have that much original material. I don't know I think she just really likes older songs so much that she wanted to do them her way. That's fair. I don't know hurry to songs would go on to become Joan. Jett classics bad reputation and original Song About Jones. Hard ass reputation wall in the runways. And do you. WanNa touch me parentheses. Oh yeah this was originally a Gary Glitter Song and as it turns out Gary Glitter was a pedophile. Don't touch kids drink so if you're one of our patriots numbers you'll already know this because we talked about this. A couple of months ago did because Green Day just sampled the song in one of their in their new single. Yeah and people were like Green Day samples a Joan Jett Song. Now is Gary Glitter's song and he's a pedophile. But why can't we talk about how Joan Jett covered the song in the first place anyway? We digress again. We don't want to talk about Green Day. The album was released in Europe on Areola records. No IT'S A. R. I O. L. A. That spells area those released on May Seventeenth nineteen eighty two decent sales. But for some reason they just could not get a record deal in the US. They received twenty three rejection letters. Eventually they said fuck it will release it ourselves. All Right Kenny drained his toddler daughter's College Fund and use the money to print the album themselves. You better have fucking high hopes on this. That's your kids you believe in in this album an album full of covers. Don't ever tell your daughter if it fail like we just never had the money to send you to college. Sweetie sorry fully colleges is Iraq. It don't go yeah in total PUNK ROCK DIY move. These sold the record out of the trunk of Kenny's Cadillac. Shows fucking beautiful also. He had a cadillac. Couldn't you just sell your Cadillac? I mean that's like a offer but then where would they sell the record fair point? This was the beginning of blackheart records. A label headed by Joan Kenny. Under this label Joan has released some of her most successful hits after releasing her debut. She realized something. She really needed a backing band. She would always be front and center but as a solo artist she needed the energy of other musicians onstage with her yeah weirdly. Joan made the decision specifically not to play with women again because she didn't want it to be compared to the runaways. I guess that makes sense. Yes she only auditioned men even saying in the La Weekly ad that she was quote looking for three good men to become the black hearts all right after securing her backing band. They went on a European tour and settled and settled into a routine of shows around L. A. After a while they realized things just weren't working out in Los Angeles they'd basically exhausted their audience and didn't have other close by cities to play to get more fans. Maybe a big move was needed. If they moved to New York City they had whole huge network of big cities within driving distance to play in guaranteeing constant audience build up so they moved to Long Beach New York in one. Thousand nine hundred. Eighty all right gossiping a move but I think that works. Yeah it kind of makes sense especially if you're trying to be like kind of punk. Yeah that's that's where you go because at this point eighty S. Yep Yeah this is where you want to be The move worked improved to be a turning point. They consistently won over audiences in New York and New England. Keeping things fresh every time they were still struggling only playing small clubs and barely getting by gone were the days of runaway mania. In Japan Jones. Hard work was about to pay off. It's about fucking time again in one thousand nine hundred one Joan. Jett and the black hearts released the album. I love rock and roll. The album was once again heavy on the covers including the title track which was originally done by the arrows. I thought it was originally done by weird Al Rocky Road. You know you made it when Weird Al Covers. You know a cover a cover. Yup Yeah a parody of a cover parody of a cover of a cover of Color Joan him long been obsessed with this song and even recorded a rough version of eight years earlier with Steve Jones and Paul Cook of the sex pistols. Oh Shit Nice but it was. Joan Jen the black hearts version that everyone would come to know and love. Yeah honestly yeah. I didn't even know it was a cover till I got older same. And you people don't I knew Crimson and clover was a cover. Yes oh I didn't realize that. Like most for Shit was covers released on my sister's first birthday happy birthday. Your sister January nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety two a baby. Mtv quickly caught wind of the song and begged Kenny Laguna to to make a video for it. Kenan complied and the now I comic music video introduce millions to Joan Jett. Is that the one where she's like walking around the bar. Yeah do box and like everyone's just like fists in the air and playing pool. Somebody's playing pool. I think there's pool tables on their table in their bar. It's a bar. Townie Bar Shoe loves rock and Roll Hall to the Song I love. Rock and roll became a number one. Hit topping the charts for seven weeks. Shit things changed rapidly for Joan in the band. Yeah that'll small clubs turned into arenas huge world tours. Were set up and people like Freddie Mercury and David. Bowie started coming to the her shows. Yeah can you imagine that? Jn magin controversy. Didn't stay away from Joan for long. She got a bit of heat for her cover of Crimson and clover the second single off her. I love rock and roll album. She didn't change the pronouns. Because then the song wouldn't rhyme so they stage she and her you got all up on their huffy bikes because it sounded so lesbian highway story. Out of here it didn't even Faze Joan. She continued fielding questions about her sexuality. Exactly the same way she did when she was in the runways that is by not entertaining them at all like that is hun of anyone's. Nice but nobody understood. You know not that maybe you just don't ask questions. I manage. Don't give a shit who has sheds not the important this song still a fucking banger. Exactly Jones third solo album simply titled Album was released in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. It's not named for any of the songs on the album. I don't know what songs on this album. I just know that it's an album. It is an album. Has Album treats of an album Alex or on their no idea if veered in a slightly different direction mainly because it only had two cover songs on it. The rest were written by Joan and Kenny. Shit there it is for some reason or another. Mci didn't promote the album Kenny claimed that. Mca went so far as to stop people in the street from buying it why. I don't know that doesn't make any sense it makes no sense and I couldn't find out why. Nca didn't want to release it and like do you want to promote it behind that. Yeah I don't really understand what why they were claim that I doesn't check but it barely cracked the top twenty billboard charts and isn't considered much of a success. Oh what followed were couple albums performed moderately well. She continued to slay around the world opening for huge acts like clean and aerosmith. Oh my gosh. She was still curious about acting despite the disaster. That was supposed to be the runways. She was real high. Yeah drunk yeah that's she. She can always give that another shot she could always just like kick that to the side and just went like this is my first movie right. Yeah I never got released anyway. Yeah it didn't in nineteen eighty eight. She starred in the movie light of day alongside Michael J. Fox who played her brother. Oh the premise. Being got the two of them were in a rock band together and family drama ensues as their deeply. Religious mother disapproves of Jones decisions. I mean this kind of sounds like a good movie. She wasn't half bad and this was like this was the movie where Michael J. Fox tried to become a dramatic actor. Teats segue from comedic into the drama. But I feel like Michael. J. Fox could always go dramatic because I don't think his comedy was that comedic. He wasn't like a gym carrier will share he was known for Family ties which was a comedic role and then back to the future which was kind of a comedy so this was like the first time he was dipping his toe into dramatic waters. I guess I mean yes but also. I don't think it's that unrealistic. Look at Michael J. Fox. He can play drama. Oh No yeah. There were some dramatic episodes of family. Ties there were there. Were some upsetting episodes man also. He was a republic. He was a young Republican in that show. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah but being. A Republican eighties was much different than being a Republican now. Yeah I don't know I every time I think of young Republican in the eighties. All I can think of his Christian Bale and American psycho. Oh my God that's what I feel like. Every young Republican in the eighties was like yeah and pretty much now to Morales and then nothing nothing changes nothing changes anyway light of day. Bruce springsteen wrote the Song Late Day Nice specifically for the movie and Joan performed it on the soundtrack. And I think this movie was inspired by Bruce Springsteen and the guy who wrote it brought it to Bruce Springsteen he brought the script Bruce Springsteen to read it over because he wanted his opinion on. What like a blue-collar hard-working bar band was like? Yeah and better to ask apparently was orig- the movie was originally called born the USA. Oh my God. And he brought he gave the script to Bruce Springsteen to read Bruce liked the title so much that he stole it and put it on a song that he was writing about a Vietnam vet. I didn't know that's where okay. Yeah and then. He took the this song called light of day. That already had it was like here but us this song instead. Oh Bruce Obu busey's not boys boosts Moose. Yeah boost from Jersey will boost Jersey but also imagine how great that is for Joan Jett though irregardless to be singing a song written by Bruce Springsteen in about a movie that's kind of loosely based on hand that he got gave like the thumbs up on. Yeah big that's when you really fucking made it. That's springsteen yeah I fucking made it. Yeah that same year after continuing issues with her new label epic records. Joan released up your alley once again independently on blackheart records this album featured another huge hit. I hate myself for loving you. Which is it's all fucking good sauce. Gory Tong. The song reached number eight on the billboard charts and helped boost Jones profile after her career was kind of plateauing By the early nineties the music scene was changing. Grunge was all over the airwaves and the riot girl movement took hold in Washington. Dc At the end later in the Seattle area of Washington State for more on that you should listen to a riot girl episode from like two years ago from a long fucking time literally. Two Years Ago Yeah. It had its roots in punk but took a hardcore females first mentality the a big supporter of the movement was in Mackay. A seminal punk of seminal punk band for Ghazi Yup Ian. If you remember from our riot girl episode was also friends with Kathleen Hanna from Bikini. Kill Ya Ian gave Joan a Bikini Kill Demo tape and shortly thereafter. Kathleen got a call from Joan herself asking if she wanted to collaborate. Joan was incredibly impressed with everything. The women in the riot girl movement were doing. I mean it's really what she was doing back in the seventies exactly. She saw it as all of them fighting the same fight. That's been going on for years and loved how outspoken fearlessly were exceptional. Maybe just maybe I mean if there was some sexual assault producer somebody bikini kill mode. Something would probably try and kill the person that was trying to rape somebody. Yeah just GONNA throw that out there. She saw Bikini Kill as an updated version of the runaways. And she didn't want to just support them. She wanted to be involved. The high bet I got to take that out. She Produced Bikini. Kill Song rebel girl. And Kathleen Hanna wrote songs on Jones. Nineteen ninety-four pure and simple. That's right also. I forgot to put in here. Because I'm a fucking idiot This was not the first thing that Joan ever produced. She actually produced the one and only album that the germs released and the germs are like a huge hardcore punk band. Yup that PAT smear was a part of impact smear went on to become part of Nirvana in the last night. That's right so that's another lake. That's a huge mind blowing six degrees of bullshit so nice so she was kind of already in this she well. I mean pets. Mir wasn't really in the scene at all. He was still more like East Coast punk. I think I mean we're we're the germs la. I thought they were but don't quote me on that. I'm not great with my germs history. My Germs Story. I'm pre- No I think. La Portmanteau drinks. Yeah I think they were actually. La that makes way more fucking sense. But I don't believe that PAT was really part of the whole grunge scene or the Seattle scene If anything he might have known Dave Grohl but I don't think so well Joan Jett Dave Grohl now. She knows the now the France now. Yeah they did Cherry bomb. Oh really rock and Roll Hall of fame. Okay yeah formats. Yep sounds very good with both of them together. Yep sounds better live. Oh I'll have to listen to it but this wasn't just a publicity publicity thing or or whatever. Joan was fully invested in the riot girl movement. Yeah when me as a potter was murdered in Nineteen ninety-three. Her Death Affected Joan deeply. She worked with the remaining members of the gets on a live album with all the prophets going to the murder investigation. We talked about me as a pot on our true kind of show him episode a year and a half ago long time ago. But that was that's such A. That was a horrible story. God fucking dammit. That's an upsetting story. It's it's so fucking senseless bullshit and completely fucking random. Yeah like mid never should have happened ever schiff oversight so fucking upsetting through the late nineties and early two. Thousands Jones career started slowing down a bit. Her albums were doing okay. But she wasn't making much money. They needed something to revamp her image boost sales again. And that's when Kenny's formerly toddler daughter. Who's College Fund? He drained Kerry and Brinkman. Entered the picture. Okay Kenny was kind of living in the stone. Age At this point and I should mention that Joan and Kenny. Have this lake very special kind of friendship. And I'm not saying specialize in quotation. No I didn't like the way they have a friendship that like transcends however many years they've been friends they just have a bond they have that they get and they have not everybody else. Does they have a really great bond and I think I who is more like mentor to protege or father to daughter or something like that and it's just grown into like they're just the absolute best friends the best friend soulmate kind of thing. They don't WanNa do things with other. They are super. That's it best friends. Yeah there's just an easy connection that they have they can't explain it. They're not gonNA and she was a very big part of Carey ends Upbringing of course and I think she lived with them for a while and like just spent a lot of time with them as a family and was really big in bring up their daughter. Nice which she kind of had to be because she trained her college fund. It's like Oh this kid. I know own this pretty sure that that album probably replenished college fun and then it's like ten times over. She was fine. She could have gone to college if she wanted. She probably did. She's very smart young lady. She could even drink milk if she wanted she could. Yeah so yeah. Kenny was living in the Stone Age. He didn't understand that a digital revolution was happening. He's still wanted to sell CDs at Seventeen Bucks a PAS. Oh my God. That's how thought money was me. Carry any yeah honey honey sweetie poor soul. Bring your daughter in here. She's going to help you. She's GonNa show you how to turn the computer on bomb. Look out sweet. That's just the computer turning on. Dad How do I get to? How do I check your facebook? I heard all the kids are on that now. Dead nobody. My Age uses facebook. Can I can I? Can you search for recipes on the facebook? I need to know how to make pot roast. No you want Google now google. I'M GONNA go your phasing. My daughter's FACEBOOK GOOGLE DOT com. Oh Dad you're so dumb I mean you just you just sweet and old. You don't know any better. Well either way yes. So as daughter came in Carryanne convinced joining Kenny to get on I tunes yeah tunes. It's still a thing. Apparently some people still get suckered into that. It's a scam for old people now. Oh my God I two guys spotify within the first week of being on Itunes this old seventy thousand units of I love rock and roll units drink Kerry and also convince them to have Joan on the warped tour in two thousand six nice. This was peak warped tour angle. He warped tour Green Day. So many checkered vans I love my checkered fans. And guaranteed maximum exposure. Joan was still known to be punk is fuck so she was accepted on the tour. No problem it reignited. The Passion people always had for her since then. Carryanne has taken over Managing Jones career and the Blackheart label in the meantime Joan diligently campaigns with pita for animal rights and runs a farm sanctuary. Which like Pizza Pizza's not the best choice as choice but your animal sanctuaries probably lovely but she has also been partnering with Pita for a very long time like before people realize that pedo were Kuku for coconuts crazy people you know to hear more of our opinions on pita and the opinions of actual vegans on pita. You should go to our friends. We didn't episode with them and talk about pita a lot because a lot of musicians are just like pita and we're like but there's better organizations guy. There are a whole lot of better organization. Also Google search ten minutes support your local animal sanctuary. Because there's probably one near you and you just don't know and they probably need way more health leisure help a lot especially right now. Exactly how am I going to please help your local animal? Sanctuaries yes and Joan was also inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame in Two Thousand Fifteen. That feels like a really long time to get inducted. It was a very long time. Yeah and I think Nirvana was inducted. The year before their first year and she They did like a concert afterwards at a different venue and she came out and like she did. Smells like teen spirit and a bunch of other nirvana songs with Dave and Chris and Pat. I'm sure they're all friends which is very nice but also like she probably was eligible around like twenty ten. Oh Yeah I mean. She started in like five ish. Runaways seventy five. Yeah so I think twenty to choose is it. I'm not great with math but the point. How many years is a twenty five twenty five so seventy five eighty ninety two thousand? Yeah she would have been eligible with the runaways in two thousand. So that's cool. So have you want to hear more about the bullshit? There is for the rock and roll. You're all about the locking today. But our sister podcast. Who Cares about the Rock Hall there on Pantheon? And they're she really fucking alert here. Total daily are see. It's safe to say that Jones early career with the runways was controversial whether the controversy was planned or not she knew how to use that to her advantage and she used it well whether or not. She turned a blind eye to deplorable behaviour happening around her her image. As a hard hitting feminist with both middle fingers up in the face of the Patriarchy was groundbreaking. Joan got where she is today through incessant. Hard work on her own. Yeah for the most part. Yeah honestly gotTA GIVE HER. Credit Credit's due. I mean I might have a lot of problems with how she's treated. The other women who came up with was a workhorse. She didn't still the workhorse. She never stopped. She never had a hiatus really. Except if you count her drinking herself into the hospital which was like maybe a year maybe a year our time take that time to like stop drinking and get better but I mean like that year would have been between when the runways ended and her solo career started in between was partying in the heart infection that I say yeah then again in the grand scheme of her career. That's nothing. Yeah yeah I mean overall and like I said I try not to feed into cancel culture? I think she's still has written amazing music. I still think that she has really proven herself to women Somebody I mean to say. Now that she's proven herself to and she's proven herself to be this strong woman and Lake so that other women can see this and say oh. I don't have to take this bullshit. Yeah and I don't follow anyone else's recipe of what feminism is she has definitely cultivated and maintained that image image of this bad ass. That doesn't take shit from anybody right and she. She's been doing that since. Nineteen seventy five when people I serve knowing who she was right And that's great but also have a little bit of humility and humanity and if somebody calls you out and says this really horrible thing happened to me and I think you were in the room. Don't automatically go on the defensive because that's not what anybody needs in it's not making you look good We have to support each other. We still have to support each other so despite the fact that she is this beacon of Feminist you know. Cheerleading squad like this beacon of feminists cheerleaders then like you still have to learn from things. Yeah that's part of it. You can't just be like nope this happen yard for me and I did this all on my own and this yeah I think like you also have to say. Hey maybe this fucked up thing happened and maybe I witnessed it and I didn't know what to do which is fine. You were fifteen sixteen. You can say I didn't know what to do if you're GONNA be mad at you for being a kid who didn't know what to do if you're going to continue to be part of the Progressive Feminist Movement. Then you have to learn from things right and I don't feel like she's really learning from things right. That's that's the problem. That's the problem. But she is an amazing artist. She does work insanely hard. Yes she's earned everything that she's gotten. I won't take any of that away from her. You know just like this is my little pleated be like Hey Joan John just like admit that some fucked up. Things happened when you were around. But it's okay 'cause she were kit and they will never happen around you again. They would never happen around her again. Right you kidding me. She's an adult the bad bitch. She's in charge fly. Maybe at this point if something like that were to happen she would get involved today and break it up. Or whatever of course. I doubt that if something does happen around her now like a wouldn't. Yeah but you know what I mean. She put a stop to that real quick. But you can't just deny that things in the past happens Martin can't you can't do that and that's the big thing too you know. We've gotten plenty of criticism for analyzing history and misrepresenting it because we look at it and say hey. That wasn't cool but you know what if you don't look at. Shit the happened in the past and say that was a pad fucking thing happen. It's GONNA keep happening. Here is absolutely no fucking way in Hell. I would relay the story of Kim Foley to and just completely dismiss it and be like that was just the time. Yeah no just because a room. Full of people dismissed him raping. Somebody in this is GonNa do. It doesn't it doesn't mean I I can do it thirty forty years later. That's not how this works works guys. So that's you know we gotta learn. Learn from the past some shavings happening. They were bad. We need to say. Hey that was bad. That is the point of studying. History is to learn from it and not make the same mistakes. Don't WANNA history itself. We could do that guys. Crisis the people all right drink. Well thank you all so much for listening. We hope you guys enjoy the story of Joan. Jett hope you late getting shit faced on her extra spicy drinking games? Which Spice Girl Do you feel like? I feel like babies Miami. We really know your ginger. Yeah I'm fucking Ginger Sporty. Yeah so there we go. I'm one hundred percent. We haven't changed our spice girls of choice however we would love to know what Spice Girl you are. You really do not even joke. We're not being condescended. Times are tough. Please feel free to reach out to us and have dumb conversations about what spice girl you are to. Also you can share with us all the Rony memes. 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E016(S) People Groups (Our Skunks)

Coffee with The Couple Cure

13:24 min | 1 year ago

E016(S) People Groups (Our Skunks)

"Welcome to coffee with a couple of cure where we share practical tips for your relationship before you finish your first Cup. Here's Jay Laurie. Pipe. Hello everyone. Today's episode is about the different groups of people. You can align yourself with and who will bring you closer together, and who might distract you from each other. And the subtitle is finding your skunks which will explain here in a little bit. Yeah. This isn't. I'm not talking about groups of people like you have your politicians, and you have your stay at home. Moms not like that. It's more. The the attitude that surrounds that group or maybe even your own attitude while being in that group, and what I mean is some groups are set up to where you have to earn approval. Whether it's the stay at home moms or the PTA or political groups are even at church. Those. Those groups can distract you from each other. Then you have the groups that are very gracious in. They, you know, just accept you as you are and allow you to step down when you need to and encourage you to step down when you need to were basically, you find you show your humanity. And they're okay with that. And the it's not about the performance per se. Of course, everyone wants you to perform well in the jobs or the roles that you're in. But maybe it's more about the image. It's it's the reputation that you're building. And they're concerned more about the reputation than really what you're truly doing. Or what you're really about? Right. So if you're working on your PHD, that's fine. But if you're only working on your PHD to earn someone's approval that may be really problematic for you going forward because they may not approve you, you may you may get your PHD, and they say, well, you should have really written your dissertation on this. And not that because that was really the thing that was important and. So they'll just call all of what you've done into question. Not because of you. But because of themselves. And I've rarely seen people who are who kind of motivate others that way through their disapproval. I rarely ever seen them satisfied. It's like, yeah. Great job on that one pretty soon. They're gonna need you to do something else. And not that it's bad to be involved in that kind of group, you know, whatever whatever floats your boat go for it is just when you're trying to please an outside group or now side group leader, it can distract you from the relationship to me. My focus is how do I take care of Laurie? How do I take care of our relationship? And if that means I upset someone outside of our relationship. It's not intended to be mean or hurtful or anything to them. It's just my priority is not on how I looked to other people. My priority is how I interact with Lori. I've heard studies done that those who. Don't care about what other people think or actually it was a different study. I'm referring to that. They said those who don't have to have their house. Just right are happier. And if you'd see my house, you know, it's not just right because we've done some home what he call him home remodeling projects that aren't quite done yet. But I know my friends wouldn't care. I know that they wouldn't care, and it's not so much that I've just gotten lucky with the friends that I have I've specifically chosen friends who wouldn't care who just don't care about that sort of thing. So that does I think lend itself to my happiness that I've when it comes to the different groups of people out there. There are groups that were looked down on me. I don't have a, you know, a certain type of. Agree. I don't have. I'm not a huge person in the political realm. I'm not a church leader. So they would look down on me. But I'm okay with that. You know, I don't I'm very I feel very fortunate and very humbled by the success rate. We've had even though I don't have a degree in psychology. And you know, this so talking about finding your skunks certain people would look at Laurean I and they would turn away like a skunk had just walked into their midst that we smell funny that we're not up to par. Yeah. We're not acceptable in in whatever their society is. And I'm really okay with that. I want other people who are just a skunk. As I am that they're okay with where they are in life. They're okay with. Not putting on airs putting on a front. They're they're ready to be authentic. They're ready to be genuine with one another. And they've found that the relationship at home their relationship with their children is far more important to them than someone else. Saying, oh, you're doing what I think you should do in this life. And yet, I know that can be very hard. I've seen it happen to. People that I've been around where they can't disconnect from that approval cycle from that from that person of authority in their lives that continues to kind of wreak havoc for them. And we're not downing people who work hard, and who feel more called in the workplace, then at home if it works for you it works for you. That's great. We need people out there, curing cancer and working on the injustices in the world and working on creating peace working hard on creating peace. People are called to do different things in life. So or not against those continue, caring cancer, continue curing Alzheimer's again. It's the attitude behind it. If if you're doing it because once I do this. I will finally win the approval of my son says so and so in my life who has always told me that that I wasn't good enough. And the reality is no matter what you do that person for the most parts probably always going to think you're not doing enough. You're not doing it. Well, enough, your you should have done it differently. Even if you did it great. You should have done it differently. Because they are so worried about. Being judged. They're so worried about their own lack of whatever that they feel better by taking you down or they truly believe. That's that's the best way. Right. Because I know some people do believe that that's true. So honestly, I'm not too worried about. Getting a whole lot of backlash. I think the people who would. I don't know find a little bit of offense with this or probably off doing other things. I'm hoping that the people listening to this have better things to do than become offended. And you know, if if we're fending you in any way, then please, you know, don't waste your time. Here, you know, hopefully, you've got better things to do than waste your time on things that offend you. But this is a call out to our skunks. This is a call out to real people. This is a call out to people who are willing to take a risk and show up real. Because honestly when you show up imperfect and real it actually kind of lets it breathes new life into the room. It's like, oh good. They. They're in perfect to. Yeah. I'm I'm hanging around somebody who isn't going to judge me. And this goes to something that I that I tell my guys all the time is. If you're vulnerable and that vulnerability gets an abusive response, then we'll never be vulnerable again. But if you're vulnerable, and that vulnerability breeds vulnerability are is received with vulnerability, then I can become more known. I can be more myself. And that's really what I'm shooting for in for other people's relationships as for them to be able to be vulnerable with one another and become fully known. Now that. Doesn't mean that if you exit bad behavior or hurtful behavior to the other person, and they trigger on that or they respond in anger or anger over the pain. That's not what we're talking about. That's actually within the bell curve of normal response. So. Watcher expectations. If you're talking about I was you know, I was willing bullet told her how I put our marriage at risk. That's a completely different story. You you're looking for grace invulnerability from people, you aren't hurting. And again, it's it's finding your skunks. It's finding the people in this life who. When they see vulnerability, they treat it with grace when they see someone hurting they treat them with mercy versus responding with abuse or judgement or disdain whatever it might be. Yeah. When we were talking about this j you know, if we had the the rights to the Joan Jett song bad reputation, we'd use that as an intro. But that's a great, you know, in in my healing years that song came to mind a lot knowing that we were gonna go public with our story. I knew we could get a bad reputation in some people's minds, and we had to really weigh that and Russell that. But back then I didn't know that there are going to be so many other real people people who would be judged skunk people out there. So, you know, we're looking for our tribe of skunks. We're looking for our tribe of of real people who don't care really what other people say about. Yeah. So for those of you listening, welcome to the tribe. We're glad to have you. And we hope that you really do feel accepted and loved in your vulnerability and in your in your need and not. Judged put upon because that's really our our goal in our focus, and hopefully both of you in the couple feel that way and that just creates a safety and then intention -ality in the relationship in a way that maybe other couples still. Guys. Well, that's the episode and we'll talk to buy. Bye.

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Episode 953 - Joan Jett

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:32:18 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 953 - Joan Jett

"Hey, folks. Did you know that w t.f is on Spotify? Yes. The same app that has millions of songs now also has thousands of podcasts including the most recent fifty episodes of this show on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite shows and you can discover new ones, but just don't forget about us. Okay. Because look, I'm the one telling me about this, so make sure you keep us on your list. Got it. All right. To subscribe to this show search for w t f with Marc Maron, tap, follow and get every new episode delivered to you podcast on Spotify. They're streaming right now and also later whenever really. Okay, got it. Let's do the show the podcast right now that you can get on Spotify if you want. All right. All right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuckers, what the fuck, but east, what the puck and years, what's happening. I'm Mark mayor, and this is my podcast, welcome to it. How's it going out there? You hold it up everything. Okay. Hope you're doing. All right. I worry, I worry about you. I worry about us. I worry about me. I'm a worrier. It's just a way I'm wired. I wish I wasn't, but sometimes it's warranted, isn't it? I just got back from Denver. I did four shows that the comedy works. I'm recording this on Sunday afternoon. I fly out early in the morning so I could come do this. It never stops. I do not have much free time. The comedy works is a great venue. It's one of the great comedy clubs. It seats about, I don't know, maybe two fifty or something and it's in a basements got low ceilings. It's it's very snug. It's slightly tiered. The audience is right on top. Some of them are literally on stage. They're sitting on stage and I'm working on new. She hidden as you know, I've been. I've been out there hammering it out at the end of the club. I'm in it. I'm a hundred percent in it. It is my job. It was always my job. That's the amazing thing about about doing comedy for as long as I've been doing it is that you work hard at something and then you realize this is my job. This is what I do, and I'm good at it and I keep pushing it. I keep taking risks at my job. I built a craft over a long period of time. I'm very proud of it. I just had this conversation. I'm sorry, did I mention who's on the show today? Joan Jett is on the show today, Joan Jett with a with a special appearance by her manager. Danny Laguna who who they are inseparable apparently and and he wanted to be around. So I put him on the Mikey's very interest. Cat in his own right. And they seem to have a symbiotic thing going been together for years. So it's a, it's Joan Jett with, let's do it that way. Joan Jett with Danny Laguna today on the show Joan Jett I believe just turned sixty. The other dab recorded this before she turned sixty. So I if you're on top of that and you realize why didn't I wish her a happy birthday was because I didn't know then, but, but she just turned sixty. I'm turning fifty five on Thursday, and it's not so much that I'm feeling my age, but I do start to think about, you know what I do and who I am in the world in in what we all do. I, it's just a weird thing when you get, I guess, a middle aged, but getting back to the idea of doing the job, especially as a creative person as somebody who is sort of hammered out their own way through a creative endeavor through an expression endeavor through a. Through like something that is not a normal way of life. I flew back on the plane from Denver with Whitney Cummings who is working at the other club. And we just got into this conversation and it's just started to realize like there's a lot of people out there that call themselves comics because they've done ten minutes here. A couple of sets there. They worked on an open mic somewhere or they did a room and the thing about being a comic about truly being comic, not unlike any job is that you got to do the job and the job to a certain degree, you know is like getting laughs fine game that you should do that when you're a comic, but the the bigger job is can you show up and do an hour hour and a half and do it consistently and stay up there and over the years, generate new material. Can you apply your craft? Can you evolve your craft? Can you show up anywhere and do an hour and get paid for it and do it consistently. I mean, that is the job and I've been doing the job, you know, for most of my life at this point. Being paid comic and showing up whether it's strangers, whether they're familiar, whether it's a an event that seems awkward for comedy or a venue that seems awkward for comedy. I've been doing it for a long time in overtime e, you know, it's not. It's not something to be taken for granted. And I think this is something that you that everyone goes to who's been working at what they do for a long time to sort of take a minute and acknowledged that you know what you're doing and that you're good at it and that you're engaged with it and that you like it and that you're proud of it. And I don't know that I do that enough and I don't know why I'm doing it publicly because I have my own insecurities. I have my own your weird approach to you. You know, a humility, I guess. I just I don't always give myself any credit. I, I work hard. And I don't know. I don't know. I'm telling you that I, I talked to you twice a week. I talked to people in this garage, you know, as often as possible. And then I do the acting thing, you know, which I'm fine to admit that I'm I'm relatively new to, but there was just something about this moment where you know, it's just me and Whitney on a plane talking about our shows, talking about what's going on and realizing that we go out there and we do this job and I think it becomes your very apparent when you when you do four shows at a club, I'm working out new stuff. I'm hammering out new stuff because I want my our to be tight. I don't have my our plus really. I don't have a special on the books, but I'm going to be at the beacon theater in New York on November tenth. You can go to w. t. f. pod dot com. Slash tour to get tickets for that. And it's just it's one of those things. I guess I'm just telling you, I'm acknowledging that you know when you do something for most of your life and you, you see that you revolve with. That you get better at it that you have more control over it. You know, you can take different risks. You can challenge yourself within what you do, and you have the freedom to do that. It's a, it's a, it's a mind blowing thing. It's a great thing, and I see in my peers, like I just I just finished reading my friend Samlip sites, new book. It's going to be out in January, and he sent me a galley copy any on SAM's had several novels out several collections of short stories. But man, I read this fucking book and it was granted, we're, we're very good friends, but it's a perfect volition of his creativity and expression. It's gotten better. It's gotten deeper. It's gotten more wise. His wordsmith thing is is phenomenal. It's fucking hilarious, and it ends it just lands. He lands this novel like like, just like it was like landing space ship for the first time, just just just nails it and he's been doing it for twenty years in you. You just. To see somebody, you know, get better and get amazing through what they do through commitment and through hard work is is a beautiful thing. The book is called hark and if you don't know Sam website stuff, he's one of the funniest fucking writers alive really. And he's he's the real deal. Kind of like, you know, takes real chances on the page and is deeply funny and I can't. I'm going to have them in here. I, I have not had my friend Sam lip site on for a full episode. He was Don near the beginning of the show, and I think we might have done one other one. I can't even remember. But for this book we're going to do a full one, but you can pre-order hark and I would do it even though you're gonna wait a few months, but look, I don't sell you garbage people. Anyways, proud of my friend proud of myself proud of anybody who sticks with something long enough to become great at it. Even if you don't get the attention that you think you deserve. Even if you're not a superstar, even if you know you're not. Recognized as much as you want. If you know in your heart, you're doing it the best you can and and you're taking chances and your evolving and doing new things and finding freedom within your expression or within your occupation, or or you're finding movement or success in helping people, whatever it is for fuck sake. Don't take anything away from yourself just because you don't think enough people notice what you do and if you're getting paid for it and you're doing a good job with it, you're fucking living the life. You're you. You know, you should fucking be proud of yourself and if you're not doing it and you're holding yourself back from doing it, just do it really. What do you have to lose ultimately after a certain point? Dino what I'm saying? How do you also speaking about lifers about comedians? I talked to a reader rudder in here last week. She's a great comic. She's been around a long time, always generating new mature. Ariel, I haven't seen her in a while, but she's got this new special out. You'll hear my interview with her in a few weeks, but you know, we have a schedule, but I wanted to mention that her new comedy, special Rita redner a tale of two dresses is now available from comedy dynamics on Amazon, I tunes Google play and most on-demand platform. So check that out and you'll hear me and read it in a few weeks, great comic and we had a great conversation, but I just wanted to give you a heads up for that. Imagine if your phone was the same as it was in the nineteen forties. Pretty hard to put that in your pocket, right. Well, that is exactly what you're dealing with when it comes to clean air that technology was developed in the forties with the invention of the hep affil- too. But now molecule has introduced a breakthrough science that is finally capable of destroying air pollutants at molecular level molecules. PICO technology goes beyond hep affil-. Trae shin captures and completely destroys the full spectrum of indoor air. 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It's got a great design for seventy five dollars off your first order, visit molecule dot com. That's m. o. l. e. k. u. l. e. dot com and enter the code w. A checkout molecule. The air you were meant to breathe is finally here I did want to try to to read this letter because you know, I don't know. My parents are getting older, but they're both still with us. And throughout the years, you've heard me, you know, resolve things or have problems with or or you know. Not quite able to get over resentments with my folks. My dad's somewhat my mom, whatever, but they're still around. And as I get older, I'm very grateful. They're still around, you know, it's nice to have them and to be able to talk to them. I think I can appreciate them more than I have previous in the past. That's another thing that's evolving if you let it if you have the heart to do it, but I got this. I got this Email and these kind of emails kind of get me. Yeah, they kind of they moved me it. The subject line is a letter from a fan involving a cross country trip with his son and your show. How am I not gonna not gonna pop that one opening a Murdy half crying. Hi, Mark. So I just got back home to Washington DC after a month, long cross country trip with my nineteen year old son. Connor I helped move him to Los Angeles so he can pursue as many dreams. He's our only so this one was special on many levels, but one of the coolest things for me was turning him onto your WT f- shows as we burned rubber across this great. If. Highly imperfect land of ours. We ate amazingly diverse great food observed how cool the vast majority of our fellow citizens are and listened to your guests. Like we were sitting in your garage, you know how it is on long drives. You exhaust conversation quickly as mile after mile of the same looking shit words by it becomes hypnotic, boring mentally, deadening no matter how great your Spotify play with be. But that's where your show saved the day. Our mutual enjoyment of your opening monologues and your thoroughly unique interview style had a sitting forward in our seats, we'd gobble up shows and then talk about them for a couple of hours. It was fan fucking tastic, my friend, it was like you were in the car with us in the back seat, chatting with a guest. It bonded my son in me in a way that I can't express in words for that. I'll forever be grateful to you later. I heard him talk about you and your shows with his friends, and I thought to myself, well, there's at least one useful takeaway. He got from his flawed old man, and I'm totally good with that. And. Proud of it. So thank you, Mark. Thank you for helping a father and son talk about real things like comedy, integrity, honesty, art books, music, politics, and love. Thank you for giving us hope in a seemingly hopeless time in culture. Our time with you meant something it counted and will never forget it. Your fan empowered for life. John. While John I, you know. For most of my life. I was fairly kind of cornered in pigeonholed by myself and others is somewhat selfish flock, you know, in somewhat self obsessed person or or cynical or whatever. But again, in this goes along with what I was talking about earlier, as time goes on and things get weirder and things get darker as I get older and as as the country struggles on, I, I have to take some comfort in that knowing that one of the effects of this show, which I could never have assumed would be something like that. That letter and it happens all the time in in. I'm and I'm happy that I, I've been there for people even though I don't. I don't. You know, I'm just doing what I do, but I, I, I'm very grateful that it's had the effect. It has a, I'm sorry from a little mushy, but maybe it's just my age. Maybe it's just a, it's just happened sometimes and maybe I. I dumped all my funny over the weekend, Joan Jett an archetype, an original. She's she's fucking Joan Jett. There's a new documentary about her life and career coming out. It's called bad reputation and comes out this Friday, September twenty eighth. And as I said before, Jones, longtime producer and collaborator, Kenny Laguna was with her for this interview. So you're going to hear from him too, and there was a lot going on in here that day a lot of stuff. The two of them there was, is there there's a little whirlwind and I hope you can feel that as you listen to me, talk to Joan Jett featuring Kenny Laguna. I got a sense of you guys from the movies like feels like an ongoing comedy routines. Terrific. But this is what he says. Yeah, but you're not? No, we're not married couple. His wife is is your daughter run the company right? Blackheart records still? Yes. Yeah. And you started that company and your wife still around? Yes. And she started the company with us and she she and I met in high school? Yeah. Wow. Long time, especially for this business. Yeah. You just you aniversary too. Forty eight forty eight lazy who makes it forty adding. Yeah. How much noise is Kenny? Gonna make what bags? How are we recording now? Yeah. Sorry. I know I was waiting for him to stop to what do you got? What do you need my pre roll? Why don't you get up and walk away with pre roll? Is that is that drug talk. We're not druggies by the way. Oh, the the only thing we do is kind of us. That's what I mean. Is that what it pre roll? Yeah. Pru no already rolled. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, how long have you lived in New York since seventy? Nine. Yes, I moved there in nineteen seventy nine. When you come back here, does it trigger memories and shit. Definitely. Yeah, it's bittersweet. Yeah, I love LA and I hate LA. Yeah, right. Yeah. Levels. Yeah. You know when the was broke up, right? It was devastating, three, really. I could feel. Well, at least it felt to me like the people were laughing and saying, we told you, you couldn't do this writing walk, but when you came out here, you didn't. I for some reason when I watched a documentary. So like did she run away from home? But you were you're around here, right? You you, you come from Pennsylvania? Were you lucky to get out of there? I think Pennsylvania do. I was at the rural part of near Philly. Where was it? Was all suburbs, born in Philly. Cut out of there when I was six months old. Yeah, my moved my parents moved to Pittsburgh. Yeah. Then sister were born there live to Erie Pennsylvania house. About eight. Yeah. Then I moved to walk fill Maryland and enough Rockville. Yeah, and that's where I sort of philologist. Welcome. All. So what did you say you have like a Pennsylvania accent? So I could Philly. Like because you do have a twang. There's something to it it. It's it's. East coast is like a figure. It would be Philly, right? Aland. Yeah, Melanchon is Philly, south jersey to jersey, Philly, New York. They're definitely defined. Dispossessed accents. Yes, it's a tough accent. Yes, you walked out. It's a good accent to have. So when you were okay, so you in Pittsburgh and you have to older, you're the oldest or what? I'm the oldest data. What are they either your sips in in music business? No know just people John. Yeah, so okay. When you say like, where Where'd you start getting hip to or like the music? When did it start turning you like, you know towards it? I lived in in wealth, Phil Mellon suburb of Washington, and it's just sort of, I guess, you know, you see you as you age is you come out of being a little kid into listening to going from Donny Osmond to the osmond's. Yeah, like, well, that was on the radio when we were kids with the brothers. The Austin bother. Right? Yeah. Fourteen Archer family data. No, but I didn't really. I mean, I like the songs. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But then something shifted run. Eleven something like that in my ear, hearing things like, all right now free. It was something in the rhythm. Guitar sound that I wanted to make those sound. That guys was good. Guitar player. He died. Was it costs off? Was that his name, the guitar player of parole costs, hostile, Paul Khasav yeah, I could be wrong. That's right. Well, that's a good sound that guy, but it was just a little bit a little bit outta tunes. Yeah, songs like that. A t. Rex Pentagon. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just wanted to make those sounds, and you're like, eleven. For our. We wanted store started by thirteen. I worked up the courage to ask my parents for an electric guitar for business. They give me to talk a good one, a Sears silver tone. Oh, yeah. Of this right came within him right in those are worth a lot of money. Now, the silver tons here now I have no idea where it is. Yeah, sure. I just don't know how long did it take before you aren't how to play rock. Just startling with folk stuff and get bored and doing. Yeah, actually, I went and took guitar and I being, you know, when you're young year exuberant and you think you'll do everything right now. So of course go in there. I say, teach me how to play rock and roll and without without the basics. So he's First Voices says, girls don't play rock and roll. And so that kind of he said that kinda hit me strangely. I'm in in school with girls playing Beethoven Bach on violins. What would he's saying? Yeah, you know, right. So I, I went to the lesson. He's trying to teach me on top of old smoky. Yeah, but you know, obviously you have to learn basics first and always store few just said, look, you can play rock and roll. You just have to learn the basics right then it would have been like, oh, okay, teaching the basics, right saying, no, you can't do that. I just went to that one lesson and quit and bought a learn how to play chords yourself. Those three chords. Yeah. And I listened to those singles went on bought like all right now, and I just played along with it. Did you have the court charts like the book of cords where to put your fingers in that? No, I can't really just the just, yeah, basically the just the basic course. I don't read music so ones just no, not the music, but just a cord struck. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And bar chords soy, that's really how I learned to play, and and I didn't push myself at that age because I didn't beyond just kinda plan. I didn't see any thing coming of it. Then my family moved to California worked part Los Angeles. My net out here and my mother wanted to get out and be by her sister. So my father worked at transfer. He worked for insurance company, but once it moved to California, then I'm thinking, you know, I could actually form a been. I can't be the only girl in LA that wants to play rock and roll. So if I'm doing this is to be other girls out there, but I so I knew it was possible. It's weird that the really no models for like, you know, when I watch doc, you know, and and it came up and that look at the years really was no, you know, hard rock girl groups, EV at all. Not really. No, yeah. I mean, there was there were girl groups, right? But they were singing. Groups are pop groups, but there was no like rock groups. I never really thought of it until I saw the documentary that you guys were really one of the first ones. The runaways, right? Yeah. So how? Okay. So how'd you go about pulling this band together? Well, I used to go to a club. Yeah, I actually read about in my Roth magazines and cream and circa. I read about this club when I still lived back east called Roddy Bing, Heimer, English disco. Yeah, see him a cantor. Sometimes do you in that by himself there. I'll tell you he, he was very important person in in rock and roll. So tell me about that place because I, there was the first time I really knew about it from watching the the documentary. It was great. It was a disco few agers Nova, there was no booze, and Rodney played all the English hits that the American kids didn't get a chance to hear. Like, you know, Bowie all the stuff that were were hits in England, sweet laid Susie Quattro for glam this. Yeah, the Gary glitter, the whole vibe that just was non existent in the state. He was on the radio. He was like the first guy to bring Bowie to the states to wasn't. He I think wasn't he one of them? Yeah, he was, yeah. KENNY'S nodding you can say, yes. I, I know that he went to the club of Bowie there. You know, can simply to seventy three. Those are like the, hey days. I got there right at the end. They closed maybe eight months after sort of going close again, trouble. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they're gone trouble. I think it was just maybe business, you know. 'cause there was an underage just go, right? Yeah, it was primarily for for young people. I can't imagine that that wasn't a problem in the seventies. I imagine they couldn't make money. They couldn't make money. There was probably illicit drugs being sold like every club Fiamme, but they they couldn't make money without the liquor, but it wasn't full of predators and weirdos. Why didn't you know? I didn't see. Yeah, I, my brain wasn't there come out here so you would you would know that night? Exactly. You know, you can only assume. Sure it, yeah, yeah, had around. So that's where he started to get into like meeting people, meeting people and and just being around like minded people that and I thought, wow, man, there's gotta be girls around someplace years seeing that that play instruments. So I just tried to put the word out. I knew a girl named Kerry chrome. The lyrics use lyricist. Where'd you meet her there at the club? Yeah, at Ronnie's and I thought she played an instrument. So I said, you want to form an all go band and she said, I, I don't. Play just right. We're expert. Maybe you should talk to my publisher and Kim Fowley. Yeah, so I did. I got the nerve to call Kim up and you know, I play guitar and I liked I wanna form inaugural band and you say, well piece EMMY a demo tape, and I didn't even know what a demo waters. I mean, I'm talking serious naive, right. Well, how are you? Fifteen gap? Probably fifteen at the kitchen sixteen yeah. And you didn't know anything about him either. I didn't know anything about him very peripherally this from from the club, seeing San round and stuff, but I'm sort of an ominous guy wasn't he to other people? Yeah, you dominance is very tall, double jointed and he used that kind of stuff. He dance, and so he just was very, could be very intimidating to a lot of people. I guess that's what he did intimidate a lot of people. He had this weird soa career, right for years, right? Yes. I don't know a lot about him. Other than he's sort of this bizarre, Hollywood character. You know, outside of producing the ways that he had this almost demonic presence. Here he he made some hits right, and he comes from the same area. You did write the pop hits in a way like he. L. a. version. Right? But he he produced a group called the mermaids popsicles and icicles. Right? Dan, I was a number one, and he was also in the band bands singing group. Yeah, that did alleyoop Hollywood Argyle, original alleyoop. Covered it at some point to what a great song. Doc, you've got Agee singing it. I see you meet up with him and yet he's asking for a demo, so he has a demo. I'm like, I, I don't. I don't have a demo, and you know, we have a short conversation and that's it. And I'm like, wow, ooh, that you're. Yeah, yeah, but but he knew my name so anyway, a couple nights later. Sandy west, who is the drummer of runaways? Yeah, she lived down Orange County in Huntington beach, and she played in a lot of bands with guys like high school bands and doing vocal sof, and she was fifteen. She played drums. I John Bonham. She was so intense. I mean, yeah, restor soul, if you know with this anymore. But but anyway, shit drove up to Hollywood and hung out in the rainbow parking lot. And that's, I guess, at the time wanted people would after the rainbow close. No, hang out and a lot of stars would go there and crazy. We'll go look for the SARS. Yeah. So sandy went up there and I guess she knew Kim, was he walked up to him and said, Kim, I, I'm sandy and I play drums, and he said, that's really interesting. I met a girl the other night who plays guitar. I think he gave her my phone number. So like me up and then that's how it started. Yeah. Who are the bands or like at the time, like at the rainbow and those places. I mean what we're talking, what did we talk? Nine hundred seventy three seventy five. Yes. So I who like who was on the scene. Who were you watching? Who were you able to? You know, I mean, I guess you're teenagers, so it's hard to get in clubs, but who the bands at that time that were really hot. Do you remember? I don't know. I wasn't seeing bands Laura more or less just hanging out at the club, but no led zeppelin's very big. Still vital the band? Yeah. Yeah. Did you like zeppelin? I did. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. So you meet sandy. Now there's to you and you still need to fill out the crew? Yeah. So I took a bus to Sandy's house here bosses actually with my tour and we went to rec room and we got along. Great. You know it just we hit it off really well, and we just started jamming on, you know, simple Wild Thing of sure songs like that. So after fifteen minutes or so, we've call up, let's call him a call up, Kim. Put the phone down to listen to this and we start playing whatever. Right. And he said, sounds great. Let's go find some other people. So we sort of do. It is found a lead us somewhere, I guess, new friends. She no and amazing to me though that that like he knew he could hear the drums guitar. And he's like, you work with this like he's like, well, right. It's definitely unique and we can play. It was, well, you know, this is something that work, how great was that feeling to just be in that record? Just that first time. Oh, it was great. It must've been really, you know, those are those memories. Right? Totally. And it was, you know your teenage dream running. Yeah. So you've got these other, you got the other girls? Yeah. And then what happens you go, do? Do you make a demo or do you make the record out? We weren't. We've recorded really quickly we, yeah, we went in the studio vote away soon as we had. We actually made a recording a three piece as well. But with it was you and sandy and and maybe steal. First base player then went onto form the bangles. Okay. So she was original bass player, but it just didn't work out. I don't know if she, you know, wasn't cloven or whatever we can to part ways. Yeah, didn't get you ugly though? No, not no. No, not at all. And. So yeah, then we went out with in front of the lead singer him and I were hanging out in a disco saw Cherie Currie or twin sister dancing to they look like grizzly. Great if onstage saying it. So we get, we asked if she sang and she said she did, we said coming audition better than the referee, or did you go to studio? No, we went to a hostile and she showed up with sort of a, I don't even. I can't remember what the song was. Something was easy listening. We're not into that, you know, and so we didn't know what to do. And so we're going to write a song. So Kevin on one out to another part of the another. Another room. Rehearsal room and just started jamming. I started playing some chords. Actually, we came up with the chorus I and so it went from the writing. Hello, daddy. Hello, mom, you cherry bomb. And then we came up with a with the rest of it. We probably didn't come up with Finnish lyrics where that point bright had enough for her to sing. So after twenty minutes, we went back in there and said. Sing this and she did and she, she owned it all of it and made it her own. Yeah, that was that the runaways born? Yeah, they recorded like shortly after that. Yeah, we because we had already had several songs he had written since the couple months. We have been together writing and working and toy, you know, not torn, but the playing all around the city. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we played Hollywood before the first record came out. Yeah. And how how were you received in general? You know, when you appointing these little clubs, writer, bars and stuff. Yeah. Hard to say. Initially, I don't remember. It was good. It was. It was okay. We're planning things like house parties, you know arrays like that Kim was just getting you these gig. We'd we'd Kim and I'm sure there was some of the people. You know he didn't. He wasn't a businessman on that level book the tours and stuff that you didn't feel the push back yet because I know like you said early on even your guitar teacher at, I was like wary of a woman playing rock music and yell again the documentary. You go into a bit about that, but you didn't feel that immediately that people are like, what the fuck are these chicks doing? What Qatar goes to a woemd with being excited with you're having fun. Yeah, it was after we started doing press and things like, what are they started? Yeah, I'll even know specifically for the record, but I'm sure right was and you know, we started getting ask those kinds of weird questions that so couldn't even tell you. So when the record came out the first record that's like nineteen seventy six like eighteen years old. No, seventeen seventeen. And it's a big deal, right? I mean, like how? How was the first album received when it came out, what? What was the push behind it? How to how. To go? Well, we had we're on mercury records. I believe it big way more. Right? Yeah. And I think they actually worked on yet promoting it angle. Right? And we were on the charts, believe Jerry Bob? Yeah, yeah, for that first charted and definitely. Yeah. Shorter. Yeah. And so now you're like, you know what happens next? You start. I didn't realize until I looked it up after I watch the movie that this is like you're coming out at the same time really as the Ramones as the Sex Pistols l. happened simultaneously. I know you had relationships with these bands later on, but you're right land right there. I had relationships wound might then. So you were on their radar even though is different coast. So everyone knew about everybody pretty much on the road we'd run into each other. Oh, yeah. Runaways eventually wound up. We did a three months tour with the Ramones which is amazing, but that's just seventy two that Led Zeppelin new came to one of the gigs. Oh, yeah. She shirts pictures of Joan would Robert plant when she was sixteen or something along that true? Do you get to meet him and hang out? Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. And they were. They were decent guys, right? They were very nice and then friends in the eighties? Yeah, we went onto Robert when we had whatever hits, whoa, for us at that moment. And he had a mood for a melody. Solo record or second solo record? Yeah, yeah. So at that time, like like music is blown up, right? There's a whole New York scene and you're part of the the LA scene I now into like seventy six. So who were the other bands around that were kind of breaking through, then you know, lay man. Because you must have seen him when you're pointing out and around because after the first record you were able to play in town, right? Dan Halen opened for the runaways really? Oh yeah. They were a band that was, you know, struggling to get Tom petty open for the runaways. The open for you, the hardware? Yes. No kidding. Contemporaries, the talking heads. Sure. Chrissy Hein who was friends with would be before Jones? Well, known Chrissy adopted. It's a weird that time a music, right? Kenny, like there was so much different types of music going on that was really sort of like all variations. Because if you look at the Heartbreakers and van Halen and then the runway, all different types of bands. So rock news. Walk together, of course, but, but it was also like I felt Tom petty and the runaways and obviously the Ramones and talking heads was part of what they later called new wave or. Yeah, but van Halen to me was not part of the new way. No, I think I think the first Heartbreakers album have snuck in there, but that right new way, but then they became more of a pop, you know rock. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes, yes. All right. So so now you're making it now like you're feeling like the house, the ban holding up under the success and how how now now is when you start getting pushback for being a girl group total bit. Totally, yeah, but not from other bands necessarily. Do you feel from other bands. Some Than's. Yeah, some bands boot most bands were okay, definitely. You know, vibes from some bands, making fun of us and laughing side stage throwing stuff on this day. Really. Oh, yeah. Just because you're were girls. Yes, because maybe we were doing well and they, you know. Jealousy that, yeah, it was something you, you know, it's a shitty business trying to make it in in in rock and roller and comedy. There's always gonna be jealous assholes. To me that people would be so nasty. I get it if you don't, why don't listen, you know, but. Genda. Totally January. Yeah, yeah. When I was in England and they made a law that they had to hire an equal amount of women or at least better percentage. Yeah, because it would no women in the recording industry. Yeah. And I remember one of the exact said, you know, studio is a steak seen this place for woman. Right? And like of course, everyone, of course, then why. When you were younger? I mean, they they were definitely girl groups, but they weren't looked at in the same way. They had to be dainty. They had to queuing songs some of the some of the arm be groups. Yeah, could do the church thing sweat a bit. Yeah. Like a friend Darlene love. Yeah. But even when she was in the blossoms on shindig, they would just really not supposed to be sweating. Yeah. Oh, right, right. There was supposed to be lady like lady like yes, in Tina Turner, break that shit open. We'll. There's always like one, you can't sweat. I mean, come on, man. You know why? Tina. Did not become big until much later. I mean, really big big. She writes show she, she was Phil Spector's, great failure would river deep mountain high that that didn't achieve what he thought it would achieve? Yeah. And but then later on, she had that in a fifties. I think she's the stones, helped her get going. Those hits huge hits. Yeah. Did you know spector? Yes. Did you see it coming? Whatever happened? It was a nasty guy. Yeah. Yeah. It was not a nice photo. It wasn't warm and fuzzy. Yeah, and and he was bully? Yeah, very threatened. My everything threatened and then he would have bodyguards or he would some of the people he worked with like Anderson. Potsy a great writers wrote some hits with them. They were tough guys. Yeah, he, he had a song writers who could write hits and still beat up people because he always wanted to start fights would be. Yeah. Well, he he's, you know, he ended up very badly bad man. Well, karma. Yeah. Deserved to be there a long time before that God knows what he did that you got away with. Right, right. So all right. So what happens to the runaways they the second, you got, you tried it in the first half, and then he put out the only did three albums and a live album. Right? We did four studio. Yeah. And a light on right after one right after the other, you just launch of you once he won the touring bigger venues. Each one happens like is getting bigger. You just kind of a degree? Yeah. We played different goods with different bands. So some were bigger and some were smaller of, yeah, no, you did some opening at housands seats hundred kind of the GIO van for any big for the big bands where you on that kind of trajectory where you like open for like a the zeppelin or somebody like that you'll for the tubes. I know that. Yeah, that was early on that was seventy early seventy six year maybe even so many. Five. Yeah, you we will go away. Say, see they? Yeah, I something like that. Yeah, wonder white punks on dope was that it was that they're being. Yes. Do that up in San Francisco or they down here? We did it up there because I think they're bay area outfit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And actually their choreographer Kenny Ortega director was worked with us to help us. Work on some stage moves. Yes, we felt it wasn't really moves. Some of it was, but more about just being comfortable in the space, sorta like, and also knowing when to move up to the audience to go. But you know, just having a sense of the sage putting on, we'll show you know a little bit of choreography, you know, the Qatar is moving, but that was right in the beginning of that. You know now it's so cliche that. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And now you've got your own moves now you don't have to hopefully you've just comes out, right? Yeah, eventually. So what so now the popularity in the states didn't take off as much as it did elsewhere. Is that what happened? Yeah, wine of really felt on ways that she what they what they could've you. I mean, I, I guess I was always sort of. Felt that the push from the press never felt really successful and United States. Even though you know, we got okay coverage, so you lot of it was could be nasty that you, they just kind of marginalized. You. Yeah. Or or just just took shots made everything we were doing. Seemed like it was on natural when it's totally natural for there were people that were offended. Should I say that ended? Yeah. Oh, yeah. People were fended that. Yeah, they will going into steak scene. To dare do this. It's quinoa. Once you get that vibe, you know, once they get, they show you right that they think it's audacious that you do. Then it's like, okay, man, all shit. Okay. Now now Jackie gets thrown down on the ground. It's it. I'm in. We're going all the way. Fuck, you know, that's, you know, pretty early on that you felt this all the girls view it. I'm sure we all did to degree, right? We all handled it. I think dividing, you know, I mean, I, I remember early on somebody asking me section of question about sex. Yeah, I thought fly answer this question. That's all the runaways music will be about. I mean, it already people have focused too much on the sexuality or whatever. We just comes with the nature of being girls playing rock and right obviously. But if I answer this question, that's all it's going to be about what was the question. I don't even remember to steer them to music. This is about music dude. Yeah. You caught you caught that, right? Yeah. And it was like it was like right at universe thing. We're comes in your head loud. Don't answer this because it would've trivial trivialize. Totally, totally. And I got it on a deep right level trying to box you in, don't, you know, don't let them do this. And so you know, that's kind of been. That's interesting because like I did that. Well, how did like you were sort of the leader of the band? Right. I didn't think that that way, right. All Kim get on, say she was the sole of the band. We all were, you know, integral pieces of of the ban. I, I've felt in your. It was a team here, you know? So it was easy for me to brag about that because you know it wasn't about me. That's Jones humility. Joan was writing the songs and singing half of the leads. Yeah. So yeah, I'd say she's a leader. So now when you go to Japan and like wherever you went toured Europe, now we're the, were you getting the welcome that you like, were you always playing for like five thousand people liking a big big ass show? Yes, yeah, that must have been a tremendous. It was unbelievable. That was after what? The second album after. Here. I guess I tore overseas was after the second album, I believe is that when you met Chrissie Hinde in that crew, those people known Chrissy. All the way for that for that. I'm not. I'm not really sure. 'cause she was living in England for a while that, yeah. Yeah, they're on the road to. She might remember when I met her then made. But so that was sort of you at least had some camaraderie there, at least you had some, you know, a strong woman felt like the British, the British certainly, and the Europeans is well, we're exposed to wide variety of music general. Right? I think as popular music, so I think they will just in generally more accepting they, they thought it was different, Andrea weird, but who still rock and roll. They didn't give us a same level of right shit like you should not be here on. It seems like between the press in in in some of the other, the bands that there was they were really threatened here, and I think that you know going overseas like you're, you've already got that freedom white, you're not, you know, you're not in their seen. You're not. You're not English. So like you're just a ban from America. That sounds good in that must have been like relief. Go into that environment. Did you meet that first tour Viking land? Is that where you met like the pistols and those people? We met all kinds of people? Yeah. A lot of glam each and fat was we did our first show in London with motive. Had we opened for them. Yeah, let me let me were his bullet Bill. I thought he was giving it to me. I'm like, oh, my God is giving me that Bill right after the show that my belt. But let me and I will close his whole life in that shows you, he's a guy, you know, that's a man threatened by not threatened by strong women here, you know, and. And. Much. Yeah. But I mean, you know, around the gonna like that is not threatened by you. It's very easy to just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, not have to be on guard. Did you feel more comfortable over there in England? I wouldn't say more more comfortable than being at home. I felt musically comfortable? Yeah, definitely. And like when we went to Japan. Oh man, it was like I, you can compare it to something like the Beatles. His craziness. All girls? Yeah. All teenage girls, right. So that was kind of we didn't get. It was kind of confusing, and then we realized, you know, oh, women have a tough time year to kind of looked out his second class citizens. So we were sort of heroes, I guess. And it was there were rocking the car. I mean, it was really intense. I think we'll a little scary to some. Oh yes, you're not not for me. I thought I was excited. Japan. They were superstars yet in Scandinavia. They were superstars. Oh yeah, it wasn't so much England England. They will in the papers like treated like cartoon characters, almost all really you in England. But in in Sweden, they were having hit singles, right, we didn't. We go off a plane and totally unexpected. All teenage girls, all these blonde teenage girls wearing real pacifier. 's blubber pass. I'm like what the focus is, you know, I guess it was something I never found out must have been some that girls where real pacify. So some was it you. You give me a pacifier silver one little overpass floor that I wore for for years and use Tunc Panama rate that. Oh, wow, my dog chewed it up. You weren't. You guys weren't together then right yet? No, no. For that. We. We met it to tail end of Bush runaways the wreckage. Yeah, the runway. So what happens to the runways ultimately you do four records. Is it getting worse? What starting to what's pulling it apart? Yeah, it's it's getting worse. Never understand this. Whip pans, it's getting worse. Why do you think. Well, just the whole, the whole cohesion, the ban we went to Japan. Yeah, I think that was the beginning of the end something happened over there. I mean, there's it's discuss a little bit in the movie, but with chairs, you re sharia Fisher booklet, right? You know, and it was a sort of like, you know, all in her bathing bathing suit records that it was very sort of soft poor Hornets. And you know she's telling told us that she didn't know that we didn't know and but look who sent me while we were together all the time. There's no way that she wouldn't say as an aside, hey, Joan, I'm doing this photo shoot, or you guys, you know, I knew so obviously they were trying to keep it secret till there was nothing. The rest of the band could do about it. And q. model does set it up. Kim. We had another guy that was kind of a road manager guy here named Scott. He might have set it up. Right? I don't know, and it was in conjunction with the record label here. So you know, everybody knew, but the the, the rest of us and this was upsetting to the rest of the band. Why the because it made it seem like the runaways was all Suri and just sexual sex. Right. The minute big. No, no, the thing you would want to do we totally. And who said what? Yeah. What are you at your mind? And at this point she was like, I don't care what she thought she didn't need us us like you guys are holding me because really shoe, he's more into pop- popular music. She's software music. She's not doesn't really love rock and roll. Right. It's not our thing in, you know, I was. I was backed up, but she, you know, had had it. I guess she was done and wanted to go through. Own thing and thought, you know, I don't need this. So she just gonna kinda left right after Japan. Yeah. So that was after. So the in in that was you've done that you did. Did you do a record without her? You didn't? Yes. We didn't math to have two albums after that. Actually. Yeah. And you did all the singing. I did all the saying, yeah, most of it actually, sandy sang lead on a song, lead them on saying lead on the song last album with her Cherie value thirty. Yeah. You guys are friends again? No, yeah. After the bamboo up, we didn't really speak ever much we speak now I, you know, right afterwards it was, you know, very weird. So after you do the two records with you with you being the front person, what? What? What stops the ban after that? How how did it come on hinged again or finally disband. You know, I think for the for the pro for the press and for the record label on everybody, they felt they lost the weight, the blonde lead singer. Yeah, you know they're looking into like that. I was just sort of. Punk rock rhythm guitar player, right? I'm not going to be that person that gets people excited a real. I guess that's. That's what I'm dressing. You know, the way they look at girls here I was just, you know, to whatever right for them and. And also then within the band musical differences started coming out because sandy always, you know, she was a heavy drummer. She liked heavy music zeppelin, and you know, hard rock. And so did leader. And they both looked heavier music than what I like those more straight up rock and roll punk rock, right kind of stuff. And so. The last time that we did we was it producer named John Alcock. Did hard music, I guess in. My personally, I feel he probably. Worked on those differences, you know, really. Right, right. I don't really know, but I just know there's a lot of the songs were harder and I thought, you know what? I don't like the direction. This is going. I don't want to get fired from a band that I started. So why don't we just dissolve this because they wanted to go in a heavier direction and I didn't. And so instead of having a big argument, let's just part ways. So they just sort of musical differences. So now you're lunch? Yeah. So now you're out, you're out of a gig, you're out of a ban. Did you ever meet Johnny thunders? No, I don't from New York dolls and from the Heartbreakers we did the bid reputation of them. Would you asked originally Joan Chet? We did it in the who's studio called rampart in London via and Johnny thunders wish recording it night and we recording during the day. Oh yeah. So Johnny, Dustin. Remember I didn't see him almost every night they would be when we when we came in the morning believing and there would be right. The residue of white. Yeah, out all over the news it. Yeah, he, they run wild. Yeah. Yeah, he must've died soon after that. You couldn't have been that much maybe a couple of years or something. Yeah, sad. When that was sad way, hotel room in New Orleans or something just, you know, somebody robbed them OD bad. So when you so so that in in the doc, you know, it really depicts that time where your band voices like existential horrendous. Like you just didn't know you know what you were going to do. So lost down and you were here in this town. Yeah, and you got what you were getting. Pretty fucked up. Pretty fucked up. Yeah. How long that go on for. I guess. I don't know. We met in the summer. I thought we only summer of that year. Like Hsun on. Yeah. Maybe it was earlier it was we met, but when you met him, were you like, you know, you know, you're in trouble. You gotta get cleaned up. We gotta figure out what we're going to. I'm here. I didn't know these stent of the drug use it in. I think she put on her best face anyway and although she can look, she wasn't well groomed. Did you get strung out. No, I wasn't. I wasn't dictated to thing. I just partied too much. She was drinking a lot and at bloated her. Yeah. So she was like, just different than she wasn't a runaways. But when I met her, I just got taken with her music. You know, this that we wrote, she played the guitar. She sang the song. And the first song that we worked on together was you don't know what you've got till it's gone and that one, she got to the course and she went, I baby. Is is you know somebody who looks like Joan with black leather jacket and I remembered. I don't think she really had razor blades, but I always remembered like raise the blades and, and you know it was a scene and she came in, and but she also knew how to let it hang out. We met delight to do a project right in the runaways. It's signed to do a movie and I was supposed to write songs for it. Yeah. And then we broke up and I did, but I didn't wanna get sued. Right. It was a movie thing was still happening here. So my manager at the time, Toby Namus thought, you know, we should write these songs so he what movie reached. I don't even know wound up. We call being called BDO, mama were on crazy. Now was the original. Casey. Now there's a weird porno you said? Yeah, like Didi. Oh something, yeah, they, I don't know what it is. But you feel that you you honored that contract under the contract and met Kenny to write the songs we'd wait six songs and three days or something, which we did you in county? Yes. And could have just ended their right, you know, but even not even happened. But right, a wife was reading about John and the British. Those music MAC and Merrill said, you should meet Joan Jett. She's going to be something she's look significant unless you spotted it in the newspaper. Yes, she thought, yeah, because otherwise, I probably wouldn't have gone and I had to go all the way from England sit California. You are in England at the time? I was in England when I got the phone call where you live in there? Yeah, I, I'd residence in New York and England. Same time for well. Now, when you were in that zome, where where you were sort of like rudderless or or or depressed now, I mean, you must have seen was there was there party you that got scared of where you were in the sense that like a lot of the people you hung out with? It seemed like we're dying. Yeah. I mean, like you, you know you spend time with said vicious. Yeah. And that like ended like her as bad as as drug scene. It ended ended that way for nearly and you must have seen a lot of that shit. Totally. And you wanna go down like that. Did you have that moment where you're like, fuck. I knew I was kinda heading in that direction and. Yeah, definitely scary. Those felt very alone. When you know nobody's around and drinking allow us to talk to you or. Yeah, you're that person I want and doing other things. Yeah, yeah, I definitely know. Yeah. Yeah, I got. I got off of that shit too. It's then I thought, well, you know what? Maybe maybe will join the military, you know, put I was serious. I thought I'm gonna. Otherwise, I'll die. Learn something. I'll get some discipline. All travel meet people, you know better. No, I won't die. Yeah, prison, right. You gotta get you. So. You know, I was seriously thinking about it and then I met Connie and I didn't have to go go that route. Put it always made me recognize that. And that's why I like to when I can do stuff for for the troops and play for them and do two things here because they're just like me. They are me could have been me. I almost went. So you know, it's just I. Just have that sort of recognition shirt. Yeah, yeah. The sentence. To go fight and kill people. Right? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, gives you a lot of stuff for the troops, right? I've done things. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I think that's interesting about the partnership that you guys created like your your music history. He's very specific before her that you that. You know, Buddha records was making a specific type of music, and we talked about that a little before with Kim Foley. Who also did I would you call a bubble gum pop or what? What's? What's the word? Well, I get the very smallest definition bubble gum, which was the Buddha thing and and and had a Buddha, Neil Bogart named it. Bubblegum the Ohio express, nine hundred ten fruit gum company. Other people define it like Jeff berry says, is teddy bear by Elvis, right, right. Type a hit though you're trying to make it. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, the way of looking at it. I look at it that the thing that I was. Thought of that's the bubblegum and other pop music. Yeah, but then all the people think Chami row who did dizzy and and maybe even the Partridge him get them as a a television phenomena, sir. Like the monkey. Yeah, but I don't look at it as bubblegum, but other people do well, what? But some of the song were involved in its parties. Well, yummy, yummy, chewy, chewy, one-two-three, red lights. Loaning Mony Mony is the big done, Don Don. Oh, that's him on the on the piano organ on organ piano. The Tobin wouldn't use the organ and you play with Tommy James. Oh yeah. It was the Led Zeppelin of bubblegum. Then you guys covered crimson and clover. That was you, did you did the best job at that song? And I liked comedies version, but I love you like I can listen to your version. It kills me. It kills me. Tom Iverson doesn't kill me. You did something with that song, but so that's, that's you're, you're in, you're producing and playing playing sometimes writing. So when you saw her and you say coming from where you come from, like sort of hit making ideology because like, you know, if you listen to you your first record rocks hard, but there's something about the production that made it very accessible now, you conscious of that? Yes. Yes. And we'll sit conscious that Joan being a woman may be in a guy. Yeah, it's backwards because the the poppy ports come from me and the deep having menacing rock and roll poets come from, you know, not one hundred percent, incredible balance. What was it song that really push pushed you guys through? Was it? Was it bad? Reputation? Said rep was one of the very first on the radio. Do you wanna touch me? Yeah, that also the both of them were happy. Opening on our own label at AOL radio at once. Yeah. And you know, that's something that you really doesn't happen today, I suppose is another form of it happening on on on streaming services, but we were able to take a record that had no label behind it and bring it to radio stations and say, Klay those two songs. But you know, we didn't know how drove it around what in the car? Yes, we would go to. We book clubs with this on this after you couldn't get a label, was this label? Yes. So so her first record was independent record? Yes. Because you can sell it anywhere. Exactly because of the same problems you always had because you got worse PolyGram which was mercury. Yeah. Every girl in runaways, sandy, west leader, Cherie three. They all got record deals, right, and Joan didn't get a record deal from the American company. And so what was the reasoning. To you is your crazy things like the head of marketing for Atlantic records wants it to me. She's gotta stop hiding behind that guitar and get out there and rock. Like Pat Benneteau. What. And and there was no slight Pat Bennett's, but it's just, you know, Joe John was punk rock in the band. The others were not punk rock is at all sharia. I think you know going back to that story. I think the song she brought into sing was Mandy. Yeah, bye. Bye. Yeah, for the runways something like that. I think it was a mantle. And. Wanted to take the other girls who runny deal fans, you know. All right. Yeah, it is sort of a punk glam hybrid right shooting for exactly what. Yeah. So after the first record he put out on your own, you get some juice, right? I mean, it was a big record, write it was. It was pretty big, but I, it's, it's still wasn't enough that people can stories on. This is the thing because candy, like you said, he knows a bunch of guys and people in the business. He's been in the business, so he figured I'll get you deal in a heartbeat. Yeah, it was going to be easier and in eastern running into these walls, which I mean, you saw in the movie all the letters of the guys writing saying and at the top, which is the best part. It refers to all the songs I heard. I love rock and roll. Cranston clover. D wanted to watch me bad reputation. And I think one other one, all of which were hits all and all these letters say, you need a song search. Yes. Sorry, right. Not for us, right. So either, you know, they don't listen to what they get. They've already decided what we don't want her. Let's just give some lame excuse, you know, but whatever they heard, all these hits and they're passing. So it just shows? No, I don't know. Josh still like ingrained sexism to the whole thing, what he thought it was easy, but it wasn't easy. And then he got pissed. Goes a lot of bands from they start. People don't hear the bureau's would turn down by mercury of all labels every week for year in the beginning. You know, it's on a lot of hall down. What was that other thing going on that you know for the sexism, the sexism was pretty intense. I was. I was kinda really surprised. It was people were motionlessly offended as I said before. Is that something? Yeah. Completely, but it wasn't just like an intellectual. No, we're not interested Kenny. It's like they had. They got emotional to about anger like, yeah, they were insulted, right? So Kenny, knowing me now being friends, he's insulted back when what do you mean now? Not just me being angry about life and trying to explain it to everybody and nobody gets it. Now he gets it and he's with me and he gets it from the ground level what I'm feeling right. And that same stuff even more because they're probably saying shit, they wouldn't say to me to him. Right? Yeah, no. And you say, fuck you? I'm gonna put out the next album too. Well, we had no choice, but then we just like, treading water, you know we've wanted to be on. We wanted to be on. Yeah, you know, but they didn't want us in thank God. They didn't want us because now we own everything works out. Thanks. What is so. So I. I love rock and roll you put out and that was it. That was the big one. Right, right. Yeah. But what was doing a lot of things that you know became the future was selling wreckage gigs, no rock and roll beans with doing that? No doing it. Is you matter of fact, when we finally made a deal, we did a deal with CBS wreckage Sony and I saw him. I wanted to sell records gigs, Oakland, not ridiculous. You know, then then it became a thing now we don't even have records, so right. That's Noche weapon. The records around. Yeah, trunk of the car. Yeah, Jan gig. We would open up the trunk and I'd sit there and it'd be collecting like three dollars. Recognize I wasn't thinking about royalties. I record of the second record the first regular struck it. So how much do you touring at that point? A lot? Oh, yeah. Lot. And how many of the original bands still wait, you? Nobody, nobody? Yeah, just to. Yeah. The drama who who's now off the real pursuit, he had an illness. Yes, but he's still with us in does records Tommy price? Yeah, he he started with us in eighty four and he actually played for minute in eighty. So he he's, he's been around a while and so. Okay. So the second record is a huge hit. And now you can tour big rooms again and you're a rockstar, right? Yeah, to a degree degrees still to a degree. Well, while you're not gonna get a ruined Mitch Ruxton, but I admit yes rockstar, but you have like a, but you're having a profound effect that what's interesting is like in the book, you know, Kathleen Hanna in there a lot teeny from bikini kill and that you had no real idea how many of these these the next generation of of women in rock music you influencing? No, I don't really have a and I didn't think I just kind of keep my head down and and write well forward. And you know, once in a while. You look up and you, you see people, you know what you're acting and I had no idea that you produce germs record. I mean, that's why. Yeah, that's like one of the most important LA punk records ever. And that was in your your downtime? Right. When you were lost? Yeah, pretty much. And you're just like bouncing around LA in that scene in you? We. Are you a little older than them, right? Yeah. Yeah. And and so we were hanging out with these, this generation of of kids who were doing that music and they, that's one of the most important punk rock records ever. It's amazing when people tell me that, you know, it's just I was lucky of in really lucky to be in the right place at the right time. What was your fans relationship with them? The germs of Darby clashes lead singer, Pat smear whose guitar player. Lighters, right? And he was played with Nirvana's. Wow. I mean, that's a career to, but huge, runaways fans and they, I remember them. We met there were hanging out outside the studio in Santa Monica brothers studios, which beach, boys studios, I believe were studio they worked at and that's what we're recording. Some of the the runways second album and they were out there hanging out. They said there were fans and they wanted to form of end. Did do it. And so we just always, you know, stave runaways just the reason they become a battle. Yeah, yeah. And and the funny thing, the bass player that we had for I love rock and roll. Yep. Gary Ryan, Gary, Morse Ryan? Yeah. His girlfriend at the time was launched doom, the bass player of the germs. So yeah, it was like the little family seen going on. And when you like in Darby was like kind of added control, but like out of control in control? Definitely. It was do a beautiful spirit. A wild man couldn't this world can contain them. Yeah. Yeah, very smart us very gun, but it was the booze get them. What was it? Just everything. Not. I'm not. The day, John Lennon got shot. So show was not a good day for us as. For rock and roll. So you put out like a record pretty much almost every couple of years since bad reputation. Right, right. And you do you, you've had several hits over the years and you still out there you play? Right? All the time putting much and like in the in the docket really shows that you know a lot of these women that you inspired have come forward and and brought you into the fold in a way. Now I have to assume that you know, that must be pretty emotionally gratifying, and in nice it is it's very, does. He do. No, I was not really aware of of that. I wasn't aware of how much it was actually reaching women girls. Yeah, yeah. And now they come up to you and they like there must be hundreds of them. There are. It's it's really, really special in, you know, it's motivating me motivated and tell me about this event because I talked to a friend of mine who's from Seattle about the the gets in that in that situation because I didn't know about it. When what me as a Potter was was murdered raped and murdered up there. And you heard about that. We'll year is that that's eighty. That was in the ninety. Ninety ninety. Oh, I don't want to see the wrong year. It was early nine. Yeah. And how'd you hear about it? What happened? Because I was doing a lot of work out west up that'll writing what car records had a band in Seattle wrote around the grunge explosion called metal church. They were originally indie band or so. They were the first one and they chartered. Yeah, so we were there. Yeah. And then and did you know me? You know, I did not know whether gets yet, you know, I knew a lot of the people the same scene in the same senior and you know. So when I heard about it, I just thought, oh, man, it's still easily could been any of us, but you how many times have I walked home, right? You know, late at night maybe you know, little drunk, you know, just alone in that situation. She was. Is in, you know, you figure you can do yourself, but she she couldn't. And. So everybody wants to try to do something to raise money to help help the cops because the cops could do a limited amount, I suppose, and or people felt they weren't doing enough to hire a private investigator. So initially we get a benefit concert in Seattle. Initially, it started out as just as one night near and we thought, wow, you know, that was really, really weirdly cool in a sad way. But yeah. On honoring her? Yes, you know, why don't we do a little tour and use the money to. Yeah, you know, keep the the private eye going and they got it that, yeah, we did that and they did, you know, ten years afterwards. Okay. But one was two thousand three somewhere around there. I get a phone call. No Hulo. No, nothing. It was Steve Moriarty. The drummer from the kits, you just said, we got him. And it was they got him down down on the queues someplace on Accua something that's that hardly ever happens. Yeah, some other thing, it does something else. They ran the DNA interesting that whole scene was so like unique really to how many pants came out of there. Yeah. Yeah, really tons and like you were up there for that. So you're like you saw it sort of starting? I mean, because that was like it was white wave post punk, and it was a new approach to rock and roll. It must've been fucking exciting. It was. It was a lot of live shows there though. You don't seem to see a lot of wife shows. Do you know most working? I saw most shows, but we didn't. Sitting around. I lived across from the whiskey in LA just saw swish. Oh yeah, it's a great room. It was the first time I ever been there. Yeah, I live beyond the gestation. Apartment building is still there drive by and. It was a perfect party place. You're in the middle of everything I saw so many shows them. That's like it's a magic room that room. Yeah, it's very nice. Have you played there lately? No, not lately. Yeah, a long time. Oh, it's still really good. I assume I just didn't have like I don't go out to a live show. So smaller than I remember when you're kidding, it seemed big. Yeah. Yeah. But now you know, you go in everything. Wow. So what do you guys do now? Like you know you producing a lot of bands, you l. seven's back. L. Chevron's back and I think they're a good fit for for label. We have a band called faira which grew out of a band called girl in a coma buffet. Incredible punk, punk band from Austin, San antone, Texas with the soundtrack from this from this movie. Yeah, which is we. We have a great, it's in the movie, but we have Miley Laura, Jane grace. Oh, Joan. Doing and drudge Innis. Oh, that's great. Song, right? We have Jones singing, smells like teen spirit. Yeah, all thing. Win, win, win. Inducted, something that you grace was so great. It was so fun. And so scary at the same? Yeah. Worth thinking about it. It's like. You're going to play. Smells like teen spirit. Yeah, they're vonda deroga- Roll Hall with their body. Yeah. No, it's like pets. You petrifying put 'em. You have to do it. Of course. I mean, I was compelled who asked you. Dave, Dave here. Yeah. And then could you said you're going to go first. Okay. You get comfortable a second. I actually was very strangely non nervous. I'm usually very nervous too nervous. You nervous. You gotta work on getting your head out, but I was pretty calm. Actually, Pat was up there to right, how comforting and we're all we all know do know each other we played together before, so I hadn't played with Chris, but I think we had a sound checks. We had a chance to run it. So outside the dock that's coming out, what are you guys? What are you guys doing? You just torn all the time or I cause I know you do. You do a lot of festivals now and he seemed to be involved with some good causes. What do you, what do you spend your time doing? Mostly torn. Yeah, really? Yeah. We're on the road all the time. We're going to most Julia for in January then I don't know what's happening. I know you've been there before. Yes, not for a while. Like what are you doing? Sydney, Melbourne. The whole Brisbane been bought with doing a lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's it's a sold out to thank God because it's a long way to go to him. Well, they're very happy. You come. They're excited. You come make the trip. That's nice, and we will do some little bit of politic politicking. Yeah. Yeah. Where here in the United States? Yeah, rock. The vote kind of style. No, we don't have to work that. Well, we should actually for some of those congressional California. Yeah, we, we're going to help, Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin. Randy Bryce for Paul, Ryan seat. We work for him and then you know, just what does that entail? You do a gig. We might do gig. We go to sometimes go to people's apartments and they raise money that way. Not. That's my preference because the concerts always you know you dealing with people don't do concerts normally, and you tend not to make a lot of money that way to best ways. You know, a celebrity controls some people in and say, maybe they bring like twenty thirty big donors. Yeah, and John will stay there and you know. And we'll meet and greet. Yeah, yeah, exactly a lot. I liked that way the best and for Howard Dean when we will with him who we adore. Yeah, we, we actually went on roller them and we both gave little speeches and I've, yeah, during the primaries when we were on stage when he gave when he said we're going to do it was much less crazy than the news made it. It was totally normal head, three thousand college kids out. They were all Ryan man because he lost and he was trying to help. You know, the democratic establishment, you know. You know, the guy. ABC sent to feed and you couldn't hear the crowd. The crowd was going dean, dean, dean, dean teams. Yeah, everybody who said that candy. Crowley's name and famous people on the plane with us. Yeah. And nobody noticed John always says the store, nobody noticed anything weird at all until the next day when we saw what they did with it on the TV. Right? Yeah, wasn't depressed was on the plane going. Oh my God. Look what dean did. Of course not. They will working because dean was winning to figure out how can we make them look bad with what he did last night overnight. Yes or whatever. They see, it's six AM. Right. He looks like a nut really. Why. Because he was the outsider and they were. He was taking on the establishment, right? He said, I'm the democratic wing of the Democratic Party. Right, right. Yeah. So you know, so in your so now Joan, are you able to stop working long enough to appreciate what you've accomplished? I mean, do you have fun. I don't really have too much downtime when I do have downtime. I don't want to go anywhere. Right. Always traveling, drag, they, do you know do there's a lot of places that I'd like to see or things I'd like to do something similar just driving highway one or. Yes. Great. You know, you never done. No, no. But my my bus driver just did it to meet us someplace. And he took all these amazing pictures, and I'm like, damn, you know, everybody gets to do all this stuff or you never stop? No, I haven't. When I do is not for for too long and I've got animals at home and so I just wanna be sure. Yeah, makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Sandwiches kind of you go. Oh, man. What is what is that life? She does things. When was alive. She in a mom cleaned the cages at at the animal shelter and she's she'll go out. I just like people know because she's a soul. Good. Go out in freezing cold one o'clock in the morning. Give food to to the stray animals or. Yeah, my mom is feeding Guan is in south Florida right now, really. Hey. Someone I talked about on the air and some woman wrote me. So that's part of the problem. You're not supposed to feed him because there's a, there's millions, it's, but my mother cannot fee. What do you do. Hey, you know, the animals are. Yeah, we're in their spot. Down to learn a live together. And then first of all, you don't even wanna get me talking about animals and vegetarian to. Yeah, basically vegan, yeah. So and you did you have a moment with a hamburger? What did it I used to be a bloody media, right? Yeah. It was just a slow dawning of what am I doing? Yeah, you know, I love animals and, and I'm eating this thing. That thinks in fields and all that stuff. And when you get into a new, recognize the more science. Uh-huh. Proves the sense of. Animals. So we really, you know, say that's not there. I mean, you know, paper wasps can recognize you each other by their faces. That's a wasp wasp, but bug. Yeah. Okay. So I'm not. I'm not to assume that better or know anything. You know that I'm above that. Right, because I don't understand their language or what they do or so. I don't know. I find it very hard to eat an animal to me. It's like, why don't you just throw your, you know your grandmother up there or why don't we try some babies baby meet gotta, be nice, tender, just like the lambs off to me. It's like same thing. It is. Yeah, sorry. But. Do you find that at this point? Are you at peace with your past for the most part diamond? Do you like? I mean, you have a relationship which Suri I mean with the other ones, do you the people that you played with the net kind of stuff? I don't have any any kind of that. I have no bad relationships. Anybody or bad. Thoughts about anything. We all did something really special, and I think important together, I would hope. Whether they enjoyed it or not, that they recognize that is well, and I hold no sort of animosity towards anyone in. Yeah, SRI and I are friendly. Last time I spoke to later we were friendlier, but that hasn't been for years here and Jackie. I've spoken to her for us either. But what was your reaction to that? Her posthumous accusation of Kim? Well, she made that apparently before he was dead too. Oh, yeah. You never saw it. No. I mean, look, it was not my experience. Yeah, I did not have that sort of things. You can't really say to it. Right, but all right. Well, it's like I was honored to talk to you guys. Thank you. It's an ours too. I think it was great, and I'm glad you hung out Kenny, what you what is that you realize name Laguna? Yeah. What what kind of name is that? It's? Well, I grew up thinking it was talian and now I've done the hell. You did that? Yeah, apparently it's Spanish. Oh, it's Manish Portuguese. Well, that was what was a theory for my family, but it turned out not to be and you can. You can pass his Jewish too. I'm a Jew and like I record business. It must have been Kenny Goldstein, but no, it's not no Italian guy. Portuguese. Values and Jews after certain as your interchangeable. Sometimes no, I'm half Jewish anyway. Oh, you are? Yes. Okay. There you go. But yeah, it's it's funny though because. A lot of people say what she real name. So what are you guys go? Now you stand in LA for a couple of days. One more day. We hit up to Washington state gigs up there. Yeah, we're doing gigs with cheap trick. Three that saw a good combo and Jones from playing with them since she was fifteen. Sixteen years now was sixteen sixteen seventeen with cheap trick. We are not here to tell the truth, Joan. We're here to create perceptions. I will great to talk to you. Good luck on the Ryan. Ryan. That was exciting, wasn't it? It was very, it was actually very fun. It was, you know, it's sometimes hard for me to manage to people, but characters and icon's right there folks. As I said earlier, the documentary about her life and career is called bad reputation. It comes out this Friday, September twenty. Eighth go to WTN pod dot com to get tour dates by one of the new t shirts and sign up for w. f. premium access to get all past WT episodes, not just the most recent fifty, and I don't know. You know, I got a little choked up, not does not emotionally, but like you know, confidence wise after I talked to thrash, I'm Mike ITAR and my arms been fucking bothering me and I hope it goes away. But like I talked to people, I talked to people. I asked people on stage about this tennis elbow. Tendinitis can thing, and they just say, never fucking goes away. And I don't wanna stop exercising because I'm just I'm in the group with that, but I don't want to lose you Bill. To play guitar and God damn it. God damn it. I'm going to play. I'm gonna play anyways because I know I know you've demand you for people who wait all the way through this shit at the very end to listen to me noodle in a distorted way. Not even noodle lately. It's almost meditative. Boomer lives.

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S2E11: The Runaways

Citizen Critic

52:16 min | 3 months ago

S2E11: The Runaways

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Let's get into it on the iheartradio. APP Apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. A. Citizen critic is production of iheartradio and Double Elvis. I also don't know if she was in the band right from the beginning. I think she was Lita Ford why she yeah. She was an original member when she sure. Okay. I mean no. Sure! Got Up you made me. I was like no. I was about to take your word for it. I should know better than I realized everything I know about it is from this movie so. This episode of citizen critic. This true tale of teenage desperation, exploitation and identity reinvention is just do much happy fluff for some reviewers. Reviews of Joan Jett's unauthorized biography lament that it had too much info on how she created her music and not enough specific photo credit details. And purchasers of some cheap pleasure pants have some bones to pick specifically fishbowl. Hello Daddy Hello Mom. On Your CICIS A citizen critic. Welcome to episode of Citizen Critic. I'm Scott Tannen and I'm greg calmly today. We're GONNA talk about the rock and roll bio. PIC The. A movie that I enjoyed quite a bit? Yes, it's a good movie. It's a great movie. I thought both the. Movie Greg I mean I. For what I was expecting? I think it was a great movie and I think I. Learned something. What did you learn what I learned was the runaways were horribly horribly exploited young girls. They were like. Minded young girls and marketed as exploited younger. Yes, yeah wasn't kept secret, yeah! I thought that Dakota fanning did a great job I. Thought Kristen Stewart did a great job. Yeah, they're very good and. As Usual Michael Shannon runs away with the movie I mean. Okay, he is far and away the best performance in this movie. I you know is he got feel free to disagree. Just I'm thinking. And I think he's obviously he does a great job of playing just a horribly malignant human, being I was just a little confused as to what I was looking at most of the time. I think that's pretty much. Yeah Kim Fowley now. It's you know Kinda. Tickled the ethics. It was sort of like well, okay. He asked popcorn, but jeeze if you've seen. Any footage of Kim Fowley. It's pretty spot. A, performance, yeah, no, I thought before great. I thought Dakota fanning was was fantastic. Though everybody who's good thought what I like about this movie. in particular is that there's a lot of just atmosphere. There's a lot of scenes that aren't necessarily integral to the plot doesn't necessarily move the movie forward, but really. Do a lot without saying much right to to give you up a portrait of the characters. What's going on Yeah I. The music obviously is amazing. The throughout the entire building I think the soundtrack is just fantastic. Music's great, so the runaways are the seventy S. Era Girl Group often considered the first all female rock band that that's not true, but certainly won't. A Big One and it's where Joan Jett and lead afford. Godly start before going on to successful he kinda gets short shrift. Lead afford. Yeah, there are some. There are some Ford heads that were reviewing the movie. They were just like Some, Forty X. Some Florida. She just wasn't that interesting part of the story on thing commune. First of all I think I think the movie didn't get. The rights to her life story, so they really couldn't tallow. It's funny because Lita Ford spends this movie bitching about Cherie Currie. Yeah herself from be allowing herself to be centralized exploited. And then leader Ford in the eighties. Couldn't be completely right. Yeah Lita, Ford's whole thing was like. What does the Lady Round? The hair metal video played actually played. The music was the yeah. Was the artist Right Rocking Guitar player though? The runaways did not do great at the box office, did not it did pretty well on rotten tomatoes, seventy percent at rotten tomatoes. Yeah, yeah, Kinda bombed this movie cost ten million dollars and. Grossed worldwide four point six. Wait they made this movie for ten million dollars new. Jesus, Christ that's impressive. Yeah. Made four back. We'll see what the reviews are like but. I don't think it was hailed as a very good movie. Initially and it's I. Don't think it was I. think it was marketed really well I. think the only reason it did as well as it did is because of the twilight. There was a bunch of kids just like wait. Is She of empire? Whose verify. Rock and roll man. There's no vampire. And I couldn't make it through the twilight movies just because it was like A. Bridge too far. I never even considered watching the twilight movies, so I can say, I tried actually died I tried I. Put myself in position to succeed and. Those made. You think that you would want. That drew I enjoy them trilogy. A trilogy, yeah, I mean you never know if you're going to be on like a seven hour plane ride, you know what I mean and you're like. I'll just bang out the twilight trilogy I. Could make. So you watched it on a plane. No I watch it at home. I couldn't wait for the plane ride. Everything booked all right moving on. But you know what I'm saying. TRILOGIES are yeah. Well, I know what you're saying. It doesn't make any sense. Snow gnats well. Kim Fowley disgusting person rapist apparently alleged alleged a dead person. He's dead now. He died, but he died recently up until a few years ago, he was still trolling up and down sunset like up until recently. Yeah, relive in his glories as A. Local personality Yeah Yeah just one of those entertainment business drivers who I think. This was his biggest success. I mean he had he was a. he recorded his own music. He's got a number of. Albums and singles that he made him I thought it recorded other people to he did. He was a producer. Yeah, he recorded and wrote for other people kiss I was GONNA say Roofer Kiss is he was just one of those guys that was around? The Scene Man. Around the same when the doors were around, speaking of connected to our last episode, yeah, he was kind of buddies with Ray Manzarek Coursey was. I take it back I'm not a men's Eric at all. I'm a Manzini AC. He looks just like he really does. It is more or less so much when he's older. But. Man The. Performances and the looks I think they're pretty much. Spot on I think they had a really good job with casting I think that the actress is sing. Yep, they do, but Joan Jett came in played her. Guitar Parts Yeah Ma makes. Sense good movie. I recommended. Yeah, interesting, good, good bio-pic! Let's get into some reviews. Speech presentation is you didn't change the title God, says the doors. But it's not the doors. It's the runaways. Seventy percent Iran tomatoes as we said did make a difference at the box office now shows how much seventy percent is not great. It's not bad, but it's not great, and it's all I ever stressful. Oh, yeah, absolutely good Lord, but that's why we're not great. I guess here are some quick hits from pro reviews. Culled from rotten tomatoes. the first one is from real times by mark. pfeiffer, yeah, he says the film might be intended as a cautionary tale. But that tends to get lost amid the LURID, thrills and tacked on happy ending. I! Don't think it means I don't think they were lurid. thrills or tacked on happy ending I think that it is. you know kind of an expose of the? Story it's not like. And it's on attacked on. Ugly just the ending that's out. That's how should ended. Cherie Currie He's working as store or yeah. She's working like a party store Nagai's investment work. She has to go to Rehab and then. Yeah although with them, trying to do all the blow as their descending into Tokyo, it was pretty as kind of funny a Anthony Quinn from independent UK. says. Given the bandwidth more about attitudes than music. Not a lot of substance here, I mean again I. Don't think that that's true and I. Don't think it's mutually exclusive. They were sold. For more about their attitude than the music, but I mean their music was good, but I mean just because they were told about. Their attitude doesn't mean there can't be any substance. There's a lot to chew on. There's a lot to chew on this story of the resistance crucially like child sex trafficking for the most part like. It's a thank her. A lot going on bit to mull over, there's an argument to be made that. There's more to the story than his told the could have connected more. I can see that argument, but but it doesn't lack for any substance it's it's. It's the Dettori of desperation of these young girls. Who are driven into the? Clutches of this Exploitation Live Music Industry Guy, you know. They kind of get fucked over, yeah! Do they get. I think they kind of got fucked over I. Think I mean I I don't. I don't know if I mean it's interesting because it's like they got you know. He gets to deal with Mercury and they ended up touring and it just seems like. I don't think they had a good deal with him. I think he. He owned the the rights to the name forever Oh, he did. It in perpetuity. Oh, so he probably got the most money for this movie. Him in Joan probably but mom speculating but yeah. I think that they got fucked over ultimately you know I think that Joan clawed her way out of it. Lita Ford made herself a little career all right. The next one is from. WAFFLE MOVIES DOT COM. You were called Willy Waffle Willie waffle. Boy Good loves waffles. I feel like he has to be four years old. He says get ready to see Dakota. Fanning in ways you never imagined never wanted to see can't believe your own eyes and make you feel very dirty oh really will. It's very very dirty. Question this guy's credentials. It doesn't make me feel dirty. It does what I think it's supposed to do. It makes you feel bad for her and. It's gross that she was exploited in this way, yeah! It's never like oh I'm never titillated by this for Nouri Al of of these characters because Dakota fanning is. She is in fact fifteen when she's filming well. So? Get your mind out of the gutter with awful. Willie awful. Put The waffle down and just get get right with cup a waffle down step away. Okay moving onto IMDB. Here's a one at a ten review. This one's called boring movie about nobody's. That is untrue. Vita Lavar full US though runaways is a stupefyingly boring movie about a bunch of nobodies who band together to ruin their lives with drugs while creating truly awful rock and roll my grandpa right this. You. This person should not get a job writing descriptions for anything because it's. It's too comes into hot too much. Mention, reading that and on the guide like you're. Exactly the runaways I haven't seen this yet about. stupefyingly boring movie. This person writes chirons for Fox News. Maybe you aren't around in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five, or you were a kid. But we were not only around, but thirty five years younger. And listened to rock and roll every day, so I was I was a kid, but I was thirty five years younger to if it wasn't. Enroll thirty five years. Just going to do some quick back in the Envelope Matthew Three five years ago. Math checks out man. Time wins again. And listen to rock and roll every day, oh, yeah! Yeah good for you, everyone I knew back then except Rita. Who? No idea who listens to rock and roll? Just honestly I. You know who you are. He thinks this is an email. Everyone back down except Rita you know how I feel about Rita. To Rita. We never heard of Joan, Jett or Leslie Curry or the runaways boy. It was the only one of in the runaways. Boy. Big You were listening to your bachman-turner overdrive. Plane CBGB's. Joan Jett was busy pissing on their guitars, but you're just. Exactly. If we saw heard them, we would have clicked them. Would turn that nobble the way that. The group had nothing to offer an exhibit. A. Is the movie. Runaways. They had something. I! Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I beseech you allow me to point you to exhibit a the runaways or about to watch it. From an email to Rita to now a closing argument and a mission or A. Simple IMDB reviewer. Ladies and gentlemen on Jura. To exhibit of the runways. And then it gets creepy, and then it turns to as Dakota. Fanning's possible number one fan. I was aware of this movie. were, she's aware of you and there is a restraining order. As the Annie Wilkes to Dakota Fanning's Paul Sheldon. I was aware of this movie and wondered why it was not playing at the big multiplexes, where young movie goers and presumed rock fans see their movies. I don't understand his alien. What kind of Kind of demographic profiling, are you doing of movie goers? I love that he stumbles into the AMC play the new Dakota. Fanning movie is this is where the young folks come correct. Sir. You're going to have to leave. Is your upsetting everybody? I see my rockers over there in the corner. Air. Hello Fellow teens. I'm here for the New Dakota fanning picture. L. Fanning no I don't think so. I'm an og fanning fan. President of the North Dakota Chapter of the Dakota fanning fans. Yeah, I got the email that she was in this movie, so I was aware of it instead in opened quietly on a few art house screens where it died a quick death usually within two weeks usually. Select! Guys once exclamation point anyway. We ordered it on net flicks a dollar sixty. What the devil! How did you order a single film on Netflix? Netflix is not a rent by film platform. You get the DVD. Sign up for a plan. Sixty what the devil worship the devil! This is GRANDPA wasn't the Dakota. Is this about? This is one hundred percent of grandma. Hello, net flicks! We'd like to see the new fanning picture. Imagine. This super old guy. I mean just think back to some of the scenes that are in runaways. Head what the Hell is! That is making the roller. Yeah I. This wasn't what Rockin were was for me madge? How many are you see this? And after forty five minutes, we quit that's at me and madge had it. He quit net flicks and this movie. Movies about music whether they focus on classical jazz, country or rock, and that's it ought to be about persons who create goods music. People like. Drugged up losers that create trash. How come on rush music? Well? I hope this didn't hurt his Dakota fanning the fan hood. Well he he says I was a Dakota fanning number Said said he say. Number, one as Dakota fanning's possible number one well I'm GONNA. Tell you you're probable. No longer number one like you might not even be top five. Now you don't like to runaways yeah. It's a great time to get a great deal on a new car. 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You know just cute romantic stories like that, so yeah. If you need help with your love life, you know where to go. We'll be giving expert advice every week on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts I launch. Time for citizen Critics Yup. Here's a review of bad reputation, the unauthorized biography of Joan Jett from Amazon. Three out of five stars. Good facts and timeline, but no good backstage stories. They wanted the dirt. They wanted literally the dirt by Motley, but you know I mean that is actually, but it's an unauthorized biography, so of course there's going to be no good backside stories because it's an yes, so you know I was hoping to know the Real Joan Jett and the backstage mayhem like other books about rockstars. Please kill me and dirt. But there was none. The author goes on and on about each recording jet did and what happened in the studio bull ring. Through Fan Through Like. He was here all the debasing like bad shit? Yeah, just just embarrassing. Poor human behavior. That's what I look for in my rob I, of course, but good information. If you want to know how it all went down in the nineteen eighties. Also, I have to point out as an author myself. No, there is a picture with Joan and Bikini Kill and it is dated two thousand four, which is wrong. The picture was actually taken in Nineteen ninety-four. The book was boring, but this is interesting. This is. They're not though themselves. In two thousand and four, Kathleen Hanna was living in New York and in the Band Latigo, and Joan was not working on other projects. This fucking fascinating. Thing about this. He's as an author myself. Let me just bore the Living Shit. This book was boring now. Let's talk about a photo credit. For half of my review. Kathleen. Hanna was living. Been Latigo and John You pointed out at Typo. You are an author. If you're looking to live through Joan vicariously in this book and to get to know the real lady behind the rock stardom that don't bother, but if you just want to know the facts of her recordings than by it, that sounds awesome. Something I. Don't WanNa. Live vicariously through Joan. Jett that's this is not present in enough rock. Bio's yeah, there's. Like how the Shit was made. Yeah, that's what I want I mean. How many books have you read and documented abor watched about the Beatles recording sessions on a number. Stays, It is interesting I'm not gonNA COP to the number. It is number. No, if you WANNA if you, WanNa hear about Jones music. This is the book for you. Yes, I read this book. sounds interesting. Here's another one rock tunes for you spelled like Prince would have written it yeah. Five Stars I like Joan Jett, but not this book, okay? I'm not a quote jet head. But. Music. People don't call themselves. I've never heard that phrase. Before my life, you head my fellow jet heads, and I were not happy with this tome. I. Got this book at a good price, but after reading it, it left me feeling like it was written by someone who just compiled a bunch of old interview and put them together in order his the definition of an unauthorized biography. These fucking people, Greg. There's a lot of facts in here and that is good. Are you an author as well. But I bought this book to learn more about Joan, not other musicians not about the. No. There's really not much facts on Joan here, so I guess the writer had to add all sorts of boring details about other people. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was. I love it a chapter about Harriet Tubman. Like I think this guy can pay by the word very little is that? Joan Jett. There's a there's a whole section of about it. The author's own family. Chapter thirty seven is just the cookie recipe back. tollhouse. It's very hard to follow. As a music lover really bothered me how the author put his own opinions about what music was good, and what was not? That is annoying I. don't care for that. Yeah also, and just because you can use big words does not make you a good author. Just because you write in a way that I just can't understand doesn't mean smarter than me. That's. Lied to read. Just because you can use big words like Lewis. Save your cash and just Google and YouTube old interviews. Did that. Research. Save your cash. Write your own book. I didn't WanNa, read this unauthorized biography, so I wrote my own. Seems like a lot more work, but I didn't spend seventeen dollars. I've spent three years researching and writing a biography of Joan Jett. I take that bad reputation. All of my life savings on writing. Moving on to some reviews of synthetic tight women's leather rocker. If you're in sired. Yeah, I mean that was a big part of the Joan Jett. Look and it's funny, because in Actuality Joan Jett. Says about this movie that that's one of the parts that was not realistic. She would've been wearing jeans in this era. Oh, she was not wearing leather pants. She wore leather pants later. I think she did wear leather pants later. Of course you let the pence later. I can't remember specifically now. She's talking about process crimes. Come on Oh yeah! I guess she was on this movie she. But she I think there's a commentary track. It sounds to me like yeah commentary track to this I should was the commentary track. Yeah, like Dakota. Fanning her outfits were very like kind of spot on to what Yeah? Absolutely in the movie. Jones got some She's rocking some. Other pants. Okay, so this one is by bb W., B.. DUBS WWF. Five stars cheap pants with horrible smell his so keep. It is to point out these pants I mean they look like the weather tight pledge their pants. There was almost four thousand reviews on Amazon of these pants. Wow, yeah! A lot of really positive ones. Wow, so, and then there's there's other tight pleasure pants that also get a bunch of reviews. I just want people understand. There's other options I don't think you should buy these pants. Let's let's see what they say. Color black size medium to say that I am bewildered by the five star reviews of these pants. would be a total undersea. Yeah absolutely. Now. You're not listening to me. The word bewildered doesn't begin to cover I. This person's actually disoriented. W. Is This. I ordered medium and a large based on reviews stating they ran small. I wanted these pants I. Took sizes. What are the sizes were there? She says I am usually a size small, okay? I would have ordered a small, but ordered a medium and a large yeah. and. That was a mistake she shouldn't it. I should've a smaller medium and that one's on me. First of all, they do not run small by any means. I was swimming in material in the size medium. Okay all right? I do hate seeing a rock and roll. People wearing leather pants that don't that her bag them well. Yeah, yeah, no. No point, yeah, go bigger go home. Why would you get a medium large? Really doubling down on Oh, these run big I'm a small, but you say these are on big all right, triple, extra large. Just in case. I bought actually bought a grill cover. It's in their. Leather Grill cover. A second of all. They were entirely too long even from my five eight body. Gigabyte the medium and large you. You told US already. You got too big too big. You went too big a second of all. That's still first of all. The material had the appearance of cheap plastic in there were oh so many unattractive wrinkles. who now that's unacceptable. How many how do you know how much these were twenty nine dollars and fourteenth and slow. Surprising. And you say they had the appearance of plastic. These are not fine, fine leather. Also knew the picture. Oh my goodness. Holy cow right like. Those are skin-tight. Yeah! 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I have tried every remedy provided by other shoppers. Thanks and The smell of disgusting chemical slash, Smelly Fish will not go away. Whatever girls looking for when she's dry. Look like a Rockstar at low tide. What was the average rating four stars? Three thousand eight, hundred forty two ratings. Wow Two. Hundred eight answered questions. Is One of them. Do they smell bad? I really that would be a good question, asked apparently, there's a whole community. Built up around how to get rid of the smell. Lord there's so many pictures on top of this. They are a bit too tight despite sizing up. I am one hundred and thirty pounds five seven. Okay. The I go. Those are two wildly different reviews. Yes, too bad. They do look nice, but there's no way I'm wearing them and. Even after taking them off, my legs smell gross. You know you do you WanNa. Bet It. That's just a phrase you just never want have to say. Where's of this pants and World War One veterans? How honor the my to wear these on a date? Then come back and relax and feel sexy when there's a permanent disgusting chemical smell in my legs well, that's a fair question well, but I don't think you're going to have to come back and feel sexy because I'm pretty sure you're going to scare away the date with the. Sexy time. Is There A. Do Live near heathcliff is. Smells really kind of old fish bony over here. Save your time and money and get something else. I got a book or Yeah Treat Yourself. Doing is dinner. Nice dress. Skirt something that allows your legs did not be doused by fishy chemical or just spend like twenty more dollars on fake leather. That is true that is, you could spend more for your leather pants than you do for a tank of gas. Yeah, this is this is the price of Halloween costume that brings us to our next review. G genially to edify star. Super Disappointing I bought this for my Halloween costume this year. That's a reasonable amount to spend for Halloween costume pretty excited for my first pair of leather pants. You don't have to put it in parenthesis his. They're actually plus. The reviews were excellent and the other customer reviews really helped me make my decision in purchasing them. There's there's so many reviews. There's like undercurrents of just bad information. Yeah! Too many reviews for it to be useful. In yeah, too many crazy people in that there's four thousand people at least ten percent of emerges trolls like just trying to get you to buy the fishy smell and tight pants. Yes, it's probably like sweatshop workers. WHO MAKES HIS PANTS? It to give it good reviews. Does fish at all? A super specific thing today, five stars do not smell like heathcliff garbage can. Right, yeah. Sadly. It was not meant to be. I am five foot eight, hundred and thirty five to a hundred and forty five pounds. Somewhere in there I normally wear a small or medium in pants since these were reviewed as running a little small where they are snug. I went ahead and played it safe getting medium. Huge. Again I. Don't run small at all. They fit like an extra large. Because of the quality of the fabric pants actually make a lot of noise when you walk. Love that what's the noise? described. act. They also smell really bad again. Most likely due to the choice of fabric and. Brother. Fabric that should be pleasure should not be in quotes. Fabric should be exactly. And for the most part, they are form fitting, but in all the wrong places. Where they? The Angle. Yeah, right the ankle, the butthole. Back of the Baggy crotch tight button somehow. Just! Constant wedgie in. They're like pregnancy pants. Huge waistband front. Drained utter in the back some shot. These are really not flattering pants. Yeah, the back is like. Sealed vein structure is I can almost see your pulse through it. And the way the pants are made. I have a feeling that assize exchange wouldn't begin to corrected. I, wouldn't it? Overall I wanted to like them I. Really did, but this is one of those situations where you get what you pay for. If you're looking for some tight fitting leather pants for perhaps a pirate garb, ren, faire, or anything else. That may give that sexy look. These pants are not for you. PIRATE GARB in renaissance. Fair are not those aren't. That's not sexy, nor do they call for Leatherman's. Yeah when you're on a long sea journey I always put on my leather bans, sixty pirate garb. Here's another one by Shay Sweeney. Two out of five stars. Terrible smell makes you sweat like a chicken and egg scenario. But if you buy these, I like how it seems overwhelming that like they smell. There's thousands of people that have no issue with his smell whatsoever they could care less yeah. I I've learned to trust the minority on Amazon. Look at worst possible reviews NC with. Disregard what the majority this in this review! I think sums Amal up the best all right. Let's see I'm super disappointed in these after reading pretty good reviews on four one. The smell out of package knocked me out. Then I lost consciousness. That is a good one to start with. You can stop right there with this review. Don't buy these pants. They may cause you to lose consciousness. Yeah, they are toxic. If you've ever smelled a petting zoo or in specific a camel. Prepare yourself for that stench straight out of the package. Wow, camels catches some shade I don't think I've ever been around camel either I mean the fish analogy kind of got me a little better. Yeah, Campbell's pretty specific for that genuine camel smell. I bought these pants I wanted to smell like a camel. They don't smell like our camel at all fish at best. To remedy I washed right away in cold water and hung to dry. Not only did that not help. It made the entire load of laundry smelly sex same way, so I had to wash the clothes again. Throw the frigging the clothes washer out. Besides the smell. These are much smaller than I expected I sized up twice and they're still super tight. Confused. Sizing is very. Very confusing I have a feeling. There's probably not a lot of quality control for these pants. They don't sound like they breathe very good, either so when they're tight. You know it's tight. You gotta the ones inspected by number eleven. Eight year old. Chinese girl who inspects the. The best player pants. The buttered cares about her job. On the bright side, they're super high waisted. For me, anyway I have a small torso and for for a high waist. But. He's almost touch my bra and I'm five five. Granted my boobs hang down. To my belly button. which TUCKS AWAY ANY POOCH BELLY? You might try to hide. Well. Tug At right end these pants last thing is they make your skin damp and wet ma. That's your just sweating. They aren't breathable at all. So what you get when trying to take them off is sweaty. petting zoos, smelling legs, and the leggings are very difficult to get off around the feet because they're stuck to your body. I wouldn't have paid seventeen dollars for them, but might get a couple of wears out of them if I'm going out on the town or something, and we'll be outside most of the time when wearing. Know those instances when you go out on the town and don't go inside. It was a total short. Actually get them off. My Body and I needed to soak in the TUB for three days. Especially special occasion special occasions outside I'll mostly be wearing these two woods parties. Yeah, no I mean or anything where there's a Campbell that you can blame the campaign. I wouldn't wear them to work or anything. Would've been cute with a tunic top now. That, it would've been cute with the TUNIC tough meaning. She definitely put on the TUNIC top and was. You. Know what they the. So bad I can. To work before she turned around. I'm going to be late. My pants smell. You've used that one three times this month. Actually walked into work, because like somebody have a fucking Campbell. SCURRIES, out, her. She says I may or may not return these juries. You have put some mileage on these. In hot. You're not allowed to return. That is all four of views next week. We're going to do the dirt by Motley career. Yeah, the Motley crue by OPEC, not by molly. The book is by Motley crue. The film is apparently by somebody else. Filmmaker oldest closure I am not really a motley crue fan, so no I can't say it. Motley crue, but we'll get all that dirt. Yeah, I did see. I'll watch it again. It's a fun, terrible movie and That's it I want to a plug again. My new song on my band camp go check that out and I've been listening to I've been on a little Bob Dylan kick. To his new album, it's so good. Sarah if you're about fan if you like. Any. If you like time out of mind? You're GONNA love it. It's so great nine I know you like you got. You got out of my I think I heard it from you I. Yeah, yeah, bag and I love time seven so soulful, and the sausage is so great. It's it's it's. It's outrageous that he's as old as he is as deep into his career as he is in still making such incredible. Even. The stuff that I'm like Oh. You know. I wasn't really into that like era. Dylan yeah. It's it's not. It's like I. Still Recognize that it's like I'm just not into it. That's my problem. It's my fault. Yes, some of especially like eighties stuff. But it doesn't matter. It's like he always kinda comes back and it's like he'll do something that that that for me. I'm just like well. Yeah, now that I like. Like like. All of is super relevant to me. He's just the greatest artists of the Rock era without any question to me I also just recently watched the. Rolling Thunder Revue documentary that Scorsese made it on Netflix. It's fucking fantastic. It documents that tour. The the desire era tour in the. Late Seventies. I can't I can't recommend it enough. Those two things those are my recommendations for the week. Anything from you. Know. I have nothing. No I listened to Sunseeker after he recommended it and I really enjoyed that yeah. Oh Nice. Yeah I'm sort of in the midst of. Working not from home from home and you know you're on vacation of course. I'm not even on vacation I'm still working I still call into meetings. You're away. I'm away and it, so I'm in this weird fucking nother world where it's just kind of fucking floating around and I think a lot of people can relate to that. Yeah, but it's like. But. You know I. Feel like I need to get back to some sense of normalcy. The cat, starting to look at me like everything all right, yeah! We just here now where we live. Yeah, she's like because I got my spots and I feel like we're going to go back. Behind. Be Honest me. I did not back. He should have been more clear that this was A. 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The Tom Dupree Show  7-8am 12-07-19

The Tom Dupree Show

52:04 min | 11 months ago

The Tom Dupree Show 7-8am 12-07-19

"Following is a paid program on six thirty wwl. A this is the pre show on Newsradio. Six thirty WWL and WWL. AP Dot Com the cab. I guess you all know SOM- it's not eh been on your shades you know. Put the call about seven. It wouldn't be long. They should with me resent. Because it's uh-huh where we I may be moving A. We'll be moving on and singing songs with Ah Little Joan Jett this morning. Welcome Tom. DEPRE- show Chris. Chris Nunn is with us. Your name is spelled non but you pronounce it none right your turn turn yourself on there. I do want to tell you off on glad to have you here. This was his request. Don't jet YEP Yes and then out to my eight year old. He came home with his listen to his phone. Friends introduced him to journey and Joan Orange et and all kinds of good classic rock. and You wonder where the stuff comes from. But I don't care as long as they're listening to it Bo Vo. You certainly were introduced to classic rock by Your Your Father Right very big influence on my musical taste and I. I really didn't learn how to appreciate appreciate classic rock and roll until I was thirteen. Fourteen years old. I mean I was growing up in eight years old. I was in hair metal. I was in a van. halen Motley McCurry and mom's like you can't be watching on. MTV and certainly love Joan Jett she was a staple on MTV and always always thought the world of her because of the fact that she he was a female and had a voice in a very dominated male culture. Yeah dern eighty. That's right rock was. There's no women allowed right and I mean it was her and Tina Turner that stuck out to me on MTV. So I've always loved Joan Jeb. It's fine you bring this out that an eight year. Gerald is in Joan Jett because there's a pop singer and her name's billy eyelash I don't know where any of her music Jimmy Kimmel or fallon this week and she. He says she didn't know Van. Halen was like the whole Internet lost their mind including me. Yeah she's I'm no clue. Van Halen is. I've seen something about her. Yeah and that was that it was the big story this week so I applaud the efforts of your son who loves Joan Jett. That's cool. He just consumes all music. He's got a veracious appetite. Hey from using which I'm grateful for. It's great I'm GonNa read my little inspirational moment here. I like to start Each one of these this shows with that this is called a God uses. Everything why are suffering is never wasted. Recently I was hurt by a a friend over and insensitive comments. She made my first response was to get upset. And then I began mentally cataloging list of grievances remembering all the other times CBS. I've been hurt by her. It might have ended there but I came across these words from Aws Oser. I started thinking differently about the situation. When I understand that everything happening to me is to make me more Christ like it resolves a great deal of anxiety everything that is happening to me is to make me more Christ light? Nothing is excluded colluded joy and pain peace and turmoil fullness and emptiness suffering unease people who love and care for me and people who hurt or ignore me being aware that God is using everything to make me more Christ like does make me less anxious my struggles in Christ or not God's condemnation God is always for for me he designs all my circumstances for my everlasting good everything in my life can direct me to Christ indeed. It should suddenly stopped. fretting thing about my friends comment and potted why God might have brought this situation into my life. It was a simple question but the answer revealed more about my heart than hers. My our friends actions were an avenue for God to reveal layer sin in my life that otherwise would have glossed over as I saw it I was able to confess it repent and this is interesting because I take so many things and look at them as negatives and when I can you know Oh always find something to learn from every situation. That's something that's that's the thing I strive for. That's the thing I would. I'd like to be able to do Chris. Non would appreciate you being here today. You are happy to be here. You're the consecutive director of the North Limestone Community Development Corp.. Yes for those who might remember. We had Chris on the show earlier earlier elements masculine. Yeah it's been while back and we promise to have him come back today at the opening of the December market market. And this is something that's really interesting. They've taken the old bus station. It is at sixth. And it's it's a north limestone in Loudon avenue and Lobby Avenue North Limestone Avenue and are in the process of renovating it and making stalls for Yep vendors in and so tell me about what's going to a happened with this sure so the the short term that we're having an event today Saturday December seventh. Thank you offer tuning in in getting up early Pearl Harbor Day. Yeah one to six PM this afternoon at one West Loudon Avenue which is at the corner of North Limestone. I'm stone in Loudon in the old Greyhound bus station so that that big old building was built in nineteen twenty eight as a consolidated coach Corp building and and went through many iterations it was greyhound station through the nineteen sixties. Let's train bought it in the seventy S. It's been empty for at least a decade and or very under underutilized for at least a decade and we are fortunate enough to be able to partner with Chad Needham who has done a lot of renovation work in the neighborhood he bought the building and we're leasing and a third of the building from him to create this public market and so the goal is to have this event today to show people what that's GonNa look like what it's GonNa feel right uh-huh kind of a temporary one day staging of what that permanent setups GonNa feel like so the vendors are going to be laid out the same way they're going to be when it's permanent. The stage is going to be in the same place. The you know the seating areas going to be the same place. There's a stage in their stay. There'd be live music while Yeah we've got We've got a full lineup. Starting at noon so that our vendors have something to listen to while they're setting up it started one but we've got Live music from the whole the whole time we're going to have music works plan. which is a a group Orchestral Instruction nonprofit that works in the neighborhood Our founder Richard Young actually helped start music. Works he's a Bass player to music. Works is playing at one thirty We've got a Got A ballet. Troupe that's going to do a performance we've got Michael Cruz which is Jazz trio. Oh we've got leading verse which is kind of acid rock we've got We've got a DJ WHO's kind of doing sets in between each of those groups so we've got live music. It's free and open to the public. I WANNA make sure that everybody knows that. It's there's no charge just like the night market. Come as you are at the old bus depot on the corner of North Lime and Loudon Avenue. That's right it's northwest corner. It's a huge space. I mean people walk in and they go wow. This is like an airplane hangar. Hangar mid Twenty Thousand Square feet this roof is twenty five feet up in the air. It's just wide open space where they used to work on buses so the old photos we found its buses. Is that are up on a bus sized versions Carlos that you see where the whole bus up. So they can change the oil and work on undercarriage and everything so It's a a big open space that was scaled to those those Regional buses so. We're we're really excited. We're actually debuting. We've got a prototype of the kiosks that we're going to be building in the whole space that people can see in and you know in walk inside of what that's going to look like so potential vendors can say Ooh I like this is as I like that size. I like the different. You know we have a bunch of different sort of menu options that people can pick from so that it's something that people can vendors can Z.. And believe in because I've I've found I'm I'm an architect by training and I've found that the vast majority of people don't have any of you know it's really hard for people able to imagine what a space is GonNa look like by looking at a floor plan or by looking at a rendering hard for them to imagine you like to be in that and so the best ways is to get them in there and to show it to him. So that's what we're doing today and we're also raising money for that. You're showing this off for potential vendors. That might offer everybody. Brian Brian. There have been people. I've been here for five and a half years and there have been people as long as I've been here talking about. We've got to have a place where community can come together. We've got to have a place where we can gets great fresh food. You've got to have a place where we can create jobs. We've got a place where we can. Our young people can author talents. And only we've just kind of if you know aggregated all. Those different needs together into one space so that we can try to attract as many people from the neighborhood as we can so e rather neighborhood. Well Yeah for sure. And I think the goal is to have at least one touchdown for everybody. So it's like if your kid's performing on the stage or your cousin has a stall or you met your friends there. One day to have have a meal. Let kids play on the playground or you know your grandfather used to work in the bus station or whatever. I think making sure that there's there's at least one touchstone that's inviting people into the space. It's gross but we're going for has great Let's take the break here. It is the Tom Depre- show so with special guest. Chris non it's newsradio. Six thirty P impeachment the Democrats. It's very very nervous this one. The news jobs picture. You need two hundred and sixty six thousand Josh icky often. You can't impeach president for doing a great the job with newsradio. Six thirty GEL new L. A. V. Six thirty WWL AP and Joan Jett does sly. I like it I really do. Yeah I hadn't heard that person both comes up with stuff. I don't know where he comes up with it he got entertain yourself back. He finds it though. What did you find this one Well it it's on youtube but I I know I know. She did think about ten years ago. She did kind of greatest hits collection right. I was when I first started. I was Kinda overwhelmed by was thinking Joan. Jett doing sly stone. This is awesome. It's Great Okay Chris. Lack to the No corporation North Limestone Community Development Corporation. Can you know the the purpose is to engage people in the community in in if Griffin van meter had not become an investor in this area twelve fifteen years ago however long meese been investing up there This probably never would have happened opened. This wouldn't have occurred because you some have argued that him bringing money in investment into the area with a form form of gentrification and that's probably true but it set set off A discussion who you will About the area and what it's destiny destiny is to be and You've been cast right in the middle of that argument. Well I've Kinda stuck myself there. I mean we we could have skirted it and just sort of said. Hey we're doing this but we're not doing that and we've really just sort of thrown ourselves into it and I really have to give credit to Richard Young who was my predecessor. As Director of the organization he's one of the found he and Griffin founded the organization and I think how their collaboration in their there are two viewpoints really brought the CDC kind of to wear not to where it is but they really got it questioning like you said you. Now that gentrification maybe didn't have to be a foregone conclusion maybe it didn't have to be the the the sort of same old cycle of investment disinvestment vestment and if it wasn't and what's the alternative. Yeah and that's what we're still figuring out is trying to figure out how you how you take a neighborhood that's been disinvested good for centuries arguably and let the people there who've been there no that now we're going to there are people here who one here what you have to say and want to put money into your ideas and your dreams and want to understand your story and understand that you're not poor or you're not disabled because you're just lazy or unintelligent that there are so many circumstances in the way that the you know the quote unquote system is set up. That really he does benefit some and really does But just to leave it at the status quo is not really a solution either just to leave it disinvested if if you will and and nobody nobody. Nobody deserves to live like a lot of people. Well nobody deserves to live the way that people in our neighborhood live I mean. They're they're folks folks that live with no running water there folks that live with condemn -able houses. Are there folks that live on seven hundred dollars a month. You go try to do that. That's right I mean yeah you know I got three boys. We spend that much at the grocery store every. Yeah I mean we have. We have people that spend eighty ninety percent of their income on their rent. Go going try and live on ten percent of your income for everything else in your life so difficult regardless of how much in the fact that there's this kind of of Disparity yeah it just I mean you know I have a business. That's done really well. But I had advantages. I grew up in a a a family that where my father was An investment guy. I had his example to hollow I got a good education and so much of your education is not where or you go to school. But it's who you associate with. Its yeah the people. I came from a culture of creating things. Yeah if you come from a multigenerational culture of not doing that. It's very difficult to embrace. Yeah if preneurs ideas and if it hasn't been modeled to you it's like anything if you've never seen is believing right if you haven't seen it if you haven't seen your parents own their home if you haven't seen your parents get a loan from a bank if you haven't seen your parents get a job that they love if you haven't seen your parents be able to take the time to you know if you haven't seen all that stuff out then it's very hard for you to imagine. Oh I can do that right and I think that that's where I had. I had A. I had a very Privileged upbringing I mean both of my parents the answer musicians and so I went to music school i. My undergraduate degree is in trumpet performance at try talk about a useless degree. I mean well no I use an English degree if you want to have well if you wanna I mean if you're not gonNA guess what I'm trying to say is. That was a luxury for me to be able to go and do that. It be able to spend four years focusing on music and I learned an incredible amount. But I think that it's you still play the trump I do. Yeah I just played in Outta Helmuth Horn horn section. Back in September played. What do you know Otto Hellmuth No? He's a musician he's His his band's called auto he's been in a number of different. I bans that. I'm still getting up speed on but Yeah I still I still get to play every once in a while but you know I think about just the. There's a guy that I know who lives on your street. And he grew up in Stanford Kentucky and I had him on a radio show. We have radio show on radio LEX every Wednesday one one o'clock and he I had him on right before the election and I said hey you know are you gonNa vote and he said. Now I'm not gonNa vote and he told told me about how he'd been incarcerated and he just got his rights back to vote And I said why don't you vote. And he said I don't know my parents never voted. My grandparents never voted. Nobody nobody I knew in Stanford ever voted and so there just wasn't that culture of voting there wasn't that culture of civic engagement and I think that that's true of just about anything you know and if you don't have that model to you if that's not part of your culture if it's not part of your world view then it's really hard to change that I mean there's there's a lot of research about how hard it is to change your mind and yes and I think as we're looking at this neighborhood that you're talking about the North Limestone neighborhood. It's not even one neighborhood. I mean you can go from from block to block and say okay. What is this neighborhood in? Some people say it's east end. Some people say it's North Limestone. Some people say it's no lie some people say it's North End. Some people say well. There's Bruce town there's castle would there's Martin Luther King there's there's there's all these little pockets of community who we've got a trailer park that has by and large Latino population now their own community the throat and they don't you know they're not interested in striking up conversation with you because you know some of those folks don't have documentation and and you know they're just trying to do right by their kids you know. That's one of the serious problems of our time is the language barrier between English. Speaking in green goes if you will people like us and Latino people who live in their own culture and in their behind their your own language barrier It's it's very difficult. Let's scary. I mean it. Did you know anybody who is different from you can can be scary right like there. There are folks that have lived in this country for decades and they haven't learned English because they haven't had to. They've been able to operate within their speaking Spanish in their community and some people say well this is America. You should speak speak English and it's like my grandparents spoke German at home. Yeah until my. They spoke German until they moved away. And so in the nineteen. Let's either born in the twentieth. So into the nineteen forties. Obviously when German became a taboo thing you know they spoke German and that was people say speak English because they just they were. They did their thing right. So it's a very different perspective. When you think about it from like you were saying in your opening reading figuring out when something happens what the says about yourself what you learn about yourself opposed to just saying? Oh this is somebody else's issue. They should speak English. It's like maybe I I should learn Spanish. Yeah or may you know I mean if you're GONNA fix it. He probably should learn Spanish. Well if you want to communicate with that yes and that's something that many of us don't want to get off our butts into. Yeah stay with us. We're having a conversation with Chris. None of of the North Lime Development Corporation. It's the Tom Depre- show on newsradio. Six thirty thirty. WIP from an iheartradio number one for podcasts. From scratch my name is Michael. Roman and I'm the host of a new podcast called from from scratch on iheartradio from scratch is a podcast about cooking. Every episode of from scratch explore cooking one chef. Is that good looking tank income and one expert. Who isn't chef? What was missing was sensory memory of my personal number liquidators flooring has the styles you want and the features you need this week save fifteen percent on aqua sealed water resistant flooring or ten percent on all waterproof final and to help you decide which floor is best? 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Yeah in Iraq hierarchy. This is my favorite song of hers. Yeah by the way I I failed to mention when we were talking at the top You had Joan de Tina Turner on MTV. I forgot to mention Cyndi lauper and Madonna. Yeah too and it's just because I don't listen to him obviously but think about what this four women did in the eighties. Yeah Yeah Madonna especially. She's kind of the eight eight hundred pound gorilla if you put it in that she probably appreciate that no. I don't think she would back with Chris. None of North Lime I am. CDC Community Development Corporation. Chris you've been here from You grew up in Wisconsin You didn't grow up in a impoverished situation. You you had like me you know you had A two parent family family material well-being and that kind of thing so you've been very blessed exactly. Yeah and you're you're you're you're you're a musician and which is a luxury I mean. Well it's it is it's beautiful. It's beautiful very grateful for that because it really. I'm at the more people I meet in my life. The more makes me realize just how differently. My what brain is wired than most people attribute a lot of that to music which it's been shown that music rewires your brain and it actually makes connections between the two left and right hemisphere and yeah. There's a lot of different stuff that that it really challenges your brain to understand. It's it is and it's a great thing. Tell me you are you can i. Can I You were talking off the area we were talking about owning a business and we were talking about You know adversity and One of the things I just want to say is that you know. I think that we're all have a capacity for empathy and what this job has really taught out to me and really opened my eyes to. Is that just how on complicated my life has been. You know. I haven't as you said you know I grew up in a two two parent household And I got to go to college without having to take off. Take on incredible student. Loan debt I was fed very well. I was educated at my my dreams were encouraged. You have brothers and sisters and have a sister. She's a kindergarten Garton teacher. And and so I say all that not to Brag but to say that you know everybody's worldviews based on their own experience exactly and so so when you go out into the world and you find somebody who's been in jail with no freedom for the past twenty years you find somebody who has had to move their stuff every every six months for the past decade because they can't find consistent affordable housing. You know if you find you come across people with those stories and those experiences as you think men. What would I be if I had to dedicate as much time as they have to think about dealing with those issues as opposed to? I don't have to worry about about the heat being on in the water being on and the roof not leaking and my car starting and all that stuff and so then I have the the luxury the freedom I mean. It's important to think about the words that we use because you know words like that luxury and freedom. It's like you know this country's built on the concept of freedom and you think how many people really are have. I have that freedom and I think people can be free but slaves inside of that. You know they're not incarcerated but they're a slave to the right and so you were talking about the business that you've been successful at and I you know I said you know. Think about if you were thinking about if you were black think about if you were woman. Think about those things that are just part of who you are being in part by some black friends. Well that's But yeah but my my white black brother I had a guy. Tell me that one. Yeah but I think you know understanding as I meet developers who buy property in this neighborhood and they say well I'm a self made man you know I grew up scooping ice cream in rural. Oh Kentucky it's like yeah but when you walk into a bank they don't constantly make They don't immediately make a decision about you. Based on the way that's all look and and so that gives you access to those opportunities and I think that that if you don't if you've never known that that happens or if you think oh that's all made up or that's fake AAC news or whatever the phrase is I think that that's where learning hearing people's stories and that's what we've been able to do at the North Limestone Zone. CDC is to hear People's stories and that's what we do every week on the radio. That's what we do and do community engagement. We have a cultural plan that we published where we did extensive interaction with hundreds the people to say. What do you want this neighborhood to be? What do you want your public spaces to look like? What do you want us to work on? And and then we do then we. You know we're fortunate enough to be able to get grant funding from foundations like the Knightfoundation Kreisky our place America. These big national organizations is that at national level are very interested in something called creative place making where you use art in creativity as the basis for redevelopment and we then say all right we're going to do with creativity we're not gonNA just fund artist already exist we're going to really use that as a way of underpinning the work of trying to bend the arc of this neighborhoods developed. Yeah and and that's that's that's a big lift it up and coming artists people that don't have any Way To show their stuff. Yeah Well An- and not on the up and coming artists but people who are artistic. That have never thought they could even do that. You know they're artists that I just met him in a couple of weeks ago. Who had never done before two years ago? Really and now he's he's incredible and and and he just he said he had a dream and God God told him that he needed colored life. And you how do you argue with that now. You know so so I just you know I want to just say that. It's been a great opportunity. It's been a great honor to be able to focus my work on that because you know I could be sitting at a desk drawn buildings lanes for people that say. Oh I want to six story office building and it has to have this many offices in this many bathrooms and whatever and be perfectly content with the success of my life but I think at a deeper level being able to take the skills that I've been entrusted with and and really focus them on scene people and then understanding standing when I build a building or when we when we support something that it how people received that I think a lot of times like you get feedback immediately. Yeah well and and like you said in your opening statement you know that What do you call that? The the thing that you read at the top of the show. Just my meditation meditation. You know I I think that sometimes it's a psalm. Yeah this time. It was something from of meditation. I get yeah and and I think that that's you know what's interesting in about that is it's about seeing yourself in the world. It's not about seeing the world through your eyes. It's about seeing where you are. You know having sort of an external perspective and yeah so I tend to internalize my surroundings and go out and look at what's going on outside of me and seeing how does that relate to what's going on inside of me and so people who do that They tend to think about the the world and how it affects them in. And you know I would seeing the disparities that exist exist in income and Talents and things like that in in your North Lime community community would trouble me. You know maybe to the point where you could render me ineffective yeah. I think you have to have a special show canned of gift gifts and talents to be able to address that kind of thing and still keep not be overcome by Not Not not get in despair about it. Yeah well that would be an a thing. The lot of people could fall into for sure and I think that you know it's hard to separate what you we know to be right in your heart versus what you know immediately that you need like for example. We built a bunch of houses on York Street and a bunch of people who had never lived on your street or even in the neighborhood bought those house and now I hear from a number of them. They're they're concerned or dissatisfied with the quote unquote activity on on the street. There are people that have lived there for decades. Who Have you know? They sit on their porch and drink or they you know. They're they have addiction issues. They have mental health issues. They have You know there. There are some group homes in that neighborhood and so there are people on the street and there are people that try to get into your house and there are people that try to get into your car and they're like hey. This shouldn't be happening. I don't disagree with that but I also feel like there has to be some level of empathy and also some level of understanding that you have some responsibility in that to not expect that if I leave my laptop on the seat of my car that I I deserve for it to be safe and untouched. Yeah and I deserve to be able to. You know it's like it's hard because you have families that live there like my kid doesn't feel safe and so trying to to figure out how you balance empathy for the folks that have been there and trying to understand what all that they're dealing with because they're not just criminals. There are people who are trying to deal with their life. Yeah and and balancing that with people who live there and feel like so the people that have built these houses there and move there. They're kind of like pioneers to to go into an area that didn't normally support got people like them and they've moved into this area and and they're gonNA have to try to engage people around him. I mean I think that that's the most successful way is to offer an olive branch. Say This is me. This is my humanity. This is this is my life and really get to know those people because otherwise you can just put them in a category and say oh. They're bad people or there. If you start to know that their names are Tommy or Roger or you know you know when you start to humanize people then I feel like it. It goes both ways. Yeah they start to see you as a person and they might think twice about taking root a lot. Yeah if they say oh this you know and I lived in a neighborhood where that went on and we didn't we we we. We couldn't hack it. You know we. We ended up moving and there was a lot of theft theft and break INS and that kind of thing stay with us. You're good listening to the Tom Depre- show with Chris John. From the Northland Flam Community Development Corporation will be right back. Thank you rene. Ridiculous impeachment inquires equipped for the answer is clear from start from the beginning to finish the impeachment of Donald J trump on newsradio six thirty wwl. AP Be Hi. This is Tom depre- junior. What does a good financial advisor do? Perhaps it comes down to asking the right questions instead of having all the answers for instance should I take social security now or later. Am I really ready to retire. is my money invested properly. Pay Me an income during retirement. These are a few of the questions that might come up in your discussion with a financial advis Good questions are what a financial advisor may be able to help you with. You will come up with the answers on your own. If you're not sure about at some of these things need a sounding board called a pre financial group at eight five nine two three three zero four hundred for a complimentary appointment also. You can listen to the Tom. I'm to pre show on Saturdays at seven. AM newsradio six thirty wwl big. That's debris financial group. Eight five nine. Two three three zero four hundred six thirty W. L. A. P. Attack on the show. Let's go back to the point partially why we're here today with Chris. None of the northland community the Development Corporation. They're having the winter market today at the Bus Station on the corner of North Lime and Loudon avenue from one two one two six one zero six can have music going on Vendors they give me one hundred twenty vendors food there's going to be kids activities. There's GonNa be beer west Bruin as their traditional banks sponsor our Kentucky Kentucky is a sponsor. We've got I mean. LG Nikkei you cormon marketplace. Let us use a Christmas Christmas tree. you know hound loudon passionate event design. We've got an incredible list of Spin Spin scooters is gonNA be the Doing Safety Demonstrations So we've got an incredible list of sponsors and we're really grateful for all those folks who visit lex visit Lex you know. They're they're super excited to to for this to come because obviously like from visit lex perspective. This is a great tourist. Draw right absolutely people. They're going to say. Hey go to the public market. I mean when when I go to you know. Cincinnati I WANNA go to Finley market. Sure you know when I go to Atlanta go checkup market or Krog market. Like that's where that's where there's activities where people that's that's where there's things going on and so we're hopeful that that you talked when we were talking about the market at the top of the show that balance between making it something that our neighbors take ownership of and take pride in but also something that invites people from not only all over the city but all over the region. Yup to come check out is an important bounce. Destroy Absolutely and nowhere else in this town. Is this going on. Well I'm not gonNA say nowhere else there are there are places where people congregate and gather but Nowhere else in this town. Do you have the juxtaposition of The different Socio Economic I mean there's some serious going on in a way where you guys don't try to run from that you sort of embrace it and have the conversation around it You have to go ahead and do what you're GonNa do any way you know because some people people would say You know no economic development is is we just want to leave this the way it is right life is movement movement and you have to be doing new things it is but also I think we also have to take a cue from nature where we have to figure out where equilibrium is. Yeah because because that's a good point tenuous growth is not a good thing either. I mean continuous. Yeah there's life and death or and more people more and more cars more and more emissions is all that stuff is has real consequences figuring out where that equilibrium is. You were talking about disparities. I always talk about how in in the North Limestone neighborhood. You have a five hundred thousand dollar houses and Ellesmere Park. And there's an eight foot fence and then there's a ten thousand dollar House on North Seventy seven hundred and and it's like where else us in this city. Can you find that wide economics Disparity within a couple hundred feet of each other and and you know no that. It's it's tough for everybody. Because how do you relate to those folks whose lives are so so different from yours. Yeah and I think that that. Hopefully this market is an opportunity. See for people to be able to do that to be able to employ those folks who haven't had any opportunities you know viable opportunities presented to them and then start making those connections based on that you know. I think that that's from my perspective. You know this may all sound sort of pie in the sky but it's like what empowers me to think that it might be possible is that we're doing it on such a local level. We're not trying to. We're not trying to change all of Lexington. We're not trying to change all of Kentucky. We're trying to change this little part of the city. That is really at the heart of so much. It's the intersection of so much stuff. North Limestone is the oldest street in the city. Right it was the it was a buffalo path that went all the way up to the Ohio River and it has evolved into you know. It's not even a major road anymore. I mean Broadway has usurped its title in his now of federal highway whereas limestone is a state highway. And you know it's it's just a different. I think knowing your history history is such an important starting point for me so understanding that. I didn't get to where I am just because I'm smart and hardworking. I'm I got here standing on the shoulders of lots of people that are in before me and help me and that happened through. Homeownership that happened through consistent employment to happen through good nutrition. That happens your education and I feel like everybody deserves that and hopefully this market is a way of people like you and me and others that have had Kind of at vantage is if you will Thrown our way. I think it is incumbent upon us you know it says in scripture sure To whom much has been given much will be expected. You know we gotta do our best to try to help those around us. Not that we're your any great paragon of virtue or Sensibility. But to take the blessings that we have and share them as best we can with with other people. Yeah yeah well I think I can't think of a better called action so this week is good giving challenge week and we're nonprofit. We're participated in the giving challenge so if if Anything anything that we've said this. This hour has struck a chord with you guys we would love to have your support at. BG GIVES DOT ORG slash no lie CDC You can donate it as little as ten dollars. Anything that you donate will help us. Create this market It's going to be operated as a nonprofit so we're not it's not a for profit entity were really just trying to break even on it and cash flow it and make it everything we hope it can be. That's great grouse We would appreciate everybody's support. Yeah and once more just for people that didn't get it The the winter market is today at the bus station on North Wind and Loud Loud Avenue from Funder six one zero six and I've been saying it so often I just got my brain and you're gonNA have music. You're you're going to have music. It's free and open to everybody It's a space that hasn't been occupied in by the public in decades. So come on in and check. It's a beautiful space. I was up paying string lights for the past two days. You can come check all that out. we're going to have live music from one to six. We're going to have one hundred twenty vendors about twenty food vendors. We're going to have hot chocolate coffee. Beer kids activities. We're GONNA have Santa Claus we're going to have All kinds of great stuff music works performing their wonderful organization. We we want to support. And so we'd love to see you. Is that part of the the Central Kentucky Youth Worker. Yeah so it's a it's an arm of CKY. Oh yeah because my wife and I are familiar. With the the the thing that they've done unlocks Sistema the yes similar to the Venezuelan system. Now so that was Richard He would never shut up about it he he. I mean he felt like music was the best way to build community. You you got to play in an orchestra and you'll have to figure out how to play in tune and in time. Yeah there's no better way to teach people how to relate to each other so they just put violins and cellos in these little kids hands. They don't give him private lessons. They'd just say no. We're going to figure this out together in an orchestra setting and it's like you know. Sometimes it's like someone weird back on a rocking chair and caught twenty two cats by their tails but but when they really start figuring it out it's beautiful. Yeah and so they start to see. Oh if I am a little flat and their little sharp we can meet in the middle right and it all sounds great and so you know that as a as a metaphor for building community. I think there isn't a better one. Yeah that's great well we. We've been fortunate to support that. So the the law system apart of it. Yeah and And they need it. Yeah I mean it's it's it's completely grant funded completely donation supported so no. None of the kids pay anything. It's an after school program. That happens every day so for parents who need after school care. It's a two for one. Their kids are getting music. Education learn how to play the violin. And they're they're from two thirty to five so not to plug another organization but no it's a great organization so there's a lot going on with you know and and there's a lot of great stuff and a lot of great people doing great work common. Good we're going to have a bunch of their kids they're Helping us it helping us at the market today. So We'd love to see gotta go. Chris has been with us today. Go by the market today and North Lamb and loudon it's time to pre show newsradio six thirty W._I._P..

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Special Report: Suzi Q (2019)

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Special Report: Suzi Q (2019)

"Christopher media. Let's make some noise. Is. It she'll. People pay good money to see this movie. When they go out to a theater, they walked cold sodas. Popcorn no masters in the projection booth everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. Own. My mother used to say to me, where are you running? I Dunno laissez but I'm running I don't know why I'm still like that now. I was in a very musical family with five kids and it was right after watching the Beatles as neighborhood girls got on the phone. What about an all girl band? We were the earliest female. Rock, hard didn't play like girls like pinky imagine the influence of Detroit my brother had setup Chemo's coming in an offer was made. That he wanted to. It devastated them and it devastated me. I didn't know anybody that didn't go anywhere really really loaning then I would say Susa- quattro came out of the First and broke the ice and kick the door for us Gal. I've never seen a woman with an instrument and a band. At, that time rock was a male orientated business. She has transcended her gender. She is now considered an icon, a Lotta girls that tried to be Suzy Quadrille. But when it's in the DNA, you can't fake that certainly position being looked verse woman leading a band looks like that. Woman has so much energy so much talent she could have done anything she started expanding her career in fact that was hard on A. Strange I don't like to step out of a box. And I refused to be boxed. And there's a whole chunk of growing up that got missed out. That's the person I'm trying to address now that little girl. Yeah, I'd I wouldn't go just stop running so fast she did far more than show that women could play music. She showed us that we could be who we were. 'cause we're Susan there was never question Susie had a dream. In Detroit and all these years later, she is still living drink that. Is Amazing. Welcome to the projection booth I'm your host Mike quite join me once again is Mr Leon Chase, but my friends call me the Daytona Demon also back in the booth Mr Morris per stinky. What's Shakin? Pat On this special episode we are looking at the twenty nineteen film Suzie Q. It's a documentary about Detroit's own Susie Quattro who left the states early in her career and became more of a rock star in the UK and Australia while that charting as high as she should have in her home country. She became known more in the US. Thanks to her many appearances on happy days as the character Leather Tuscany Arrow the film looks at her career overall showing what a wild ride it has been. I'm not sure if it's possible to spoil this film, but we won't be shying away from anything that happens in it. So you have been warned. So what are your memories of Susie Quattro and what did you think of a Suzie Q.? Well, like most American kids who grew up in the seventies I knew Susie quattro I as Leather Tuscan darrow unhappy days which I'm sure we'll get into more. It really wasn't until I was in my twenties and going back and discovering a lot of seventies Glam rock that I realized she'd had this prolific music career and I loved everything about her as for the movie. You know there's an old saying in show business that if you love sausage, don't ever see it being made, which is Kinda, my opinion on watching documentaries musicians I like in general but that said I'm really glad that this movie exists because Suzy Quattro is a performer who deserves more recognition especially here in the states. As documentary I wish the movie push a little deeper into her personality and some of her issues. But I suspect that had less to do with the filmmakers more to do with her guarding her own image, which is a pretty common among establish celebrities. Especially rockstars some more you what you thank the biggest takeaway for me from the film. That she wasn't like hugely popular in the states because as you've already gone started as a foam. Shijie she was hugely popular here in Australia I think is a ten year old one of my classmates went and brought round his copy of the debut album, which was difficult. Suzy. Croats Australia was called candid. Can He? She was everywhere. You know you watch the TV pop music shows and the newspapers in she was the second coming of the second coming. So I just of presumed that she was at why of the rest of the well it took till this film familiar realize that she was not really mattress the site as for my feelings of ETA music I always had a copy of candy cane but strangely I tell bat a waco side before you asked me to do this episode actually. So gone at both the second inserted album and my white lie command really really love thighs I think as far as the movie. I didn't really enjoy it. Look does have a lot of the tribes of a lot of these music documentaries. I way get a lot of talking heads, victimes of the family get to speak to admiring fans. But I, think what this film does right is it never sorta judges one situation every other bet's not said music not music that leads you to feeling sad for instance, win this obvious conflict between the sisters aw. Like I. Just think it's Not. Overly melodramatic when it gets to the bits of the sisters luckily on operative leftover saying more. But I think that food the top comedies I, think it does a really excellent job to i. felt like I lived in some sort of weird bubble when it came to music. I just didn't really listen to a whole lot of rock or what was on the radio maybe like all stations, those kind of thing. So didn't really get into a lot of. Good music until later on in my life and when I first saw a susa- cuatro album at wax Trax Ann Arbor. It never dawned on me that Leather Tuscan Arrow was anything other than a character on happy days. I never realized that Susie Quattro was a thing and when I saw that I was oh well, she must have cut this record after she was unhappy days because we've all seen we all know about celebrities that will. Use their starting become stars or try to become stars. Don. Johnson as an example, and it was just like Oh. Okay. Yeah. Because I think even Henry Winkler had like a fonzie album. So as did Scott Baio and daddy most God yeah you're right and you know I mean he didn't have the chops of Anson Williams who could take any song and completely sucked the soul out of it so. SPLIT SPLASH I was taking a band. Don The. Tell around and when the door and then. Splashed Bath was there was unanimous. was just like, okay. Yeah I guess Leather Tuscan Arrowhead and album and I it just took me. So long to realize that she was a musician before she was on happy days and. I also I made the mistake while preparing for this episode to go back and watch a lot of happy days from that fifth and sixth season, and I can't remember if what season we had Fonzie jumping the shark but I feel like I was in Post Shark territory? The era of happy days were even as a kid I was very conscious that they'd kind of given up on the concept of it being in the fifties and we're just kind of you know like like that's that's one of the funniest things about watching her on those episodes is I mean she looks awesome I'm not complaining, but she doesn't look like she existed in the time that that show was supposed. To be set no, not at all her backup singers dead but not her it was funny like she does this. GIG. At Arnold's, and there's a talent scout Arnold's that wants to put leather in the sways on tour, with Fabian, and this hell conflict with joanie replacing one of the Suedes and she wanted to go with her on tour, and so they have to have Howard and Marianne come and watch her. Man Yeah that was it was rough and it was weird just yet because she was doing like. Songs that were appropriate to the era, but then she would do. Delegate drive. Okay. Well, I mean in some of her songs did have a little bit of a throwback quality, but it was just like this does not fit with nineteen fifties. Listen to those first couple of albums Suzy Quadra Candy Cane. It is obvious way her influences lion she has gone and said I think in film that Elvis was her here a music was always like A. Tight this is not Shana. Wasn't watching Grace Mijo. I guess some of the music in grace was not really. Wouldn't have fitted in the fifties anyway By this is she was never a fifties tribute act by the heart and soul was in fifties rock and roll music. I'm guessing that she was probably a big fan of sight Eddie Cochran, and the lock having heard the was appropriate is that moment in the film I suggest that it was still going to be Debbie Harry that that we're going to offer the role to and that would have been made A. Nor characterize way that one of the character to go my sort of thoughts about the happy guys thing possibly sold the talking. Happy Casing with Mente but as as long as we're on hood image to that point had been as this tough no prisoners sort of rock and roll perform you look the front cover of that debut album and it's it's almost frightening that she's there she's wrapped in leather and she's got these three guys who look like they're going best shit out of you rather than NASA Tinier and then she goes on his family friendly show that's fifties revisionist. With why you look at and you know she's family friendly and it just so the same to go against. The image that maybe she'd gone cultivated on those first couple of. She says a lot about what you see is what we get this is made in a lighter show. Hi, what is also may is I'm I'm a mother and I'm a ordinary Gal. So there's lots of claims if not true she was by her herself and. I sort of thought that maybe having her. As she even said that she enjoyed doing the heavy guys experience and that's terrific by. It just seemed to be like in Nineteen, seventy, five or seventy six when she did. It just sorta seems to realize that a clash with those albums that she'd put before never mind the music that she actually performing in the show both you guys brought up the family relationships and that's so crucial to the documentary and. For me it was one of the most striking things I mean I again wasn't familiar with the pleasure seekers. The early group that the quattro sisters had been a part of our or made themselves and then wasn't familiar with cradle or the way that these bands came about and all of these interviews with her sisters are just so interesting to watch and just really sets up just such a fascinating portrait. To hear the one sister and I can kind of understand where she's coming from. But the one sister who's just like I will never be a fan of Susa quattro and it's like, okay I. Guess. I can figure where you're saying that you can't be a fan of your sister that she's your sister and you'll never be a fan of her but it just the way that she says it makes it feel like I am not a fan of Susie Quattro and Like, I'm not a fan of my sister I'm not a big admire of my sisters how it comes off though I guess I might be reading too much into it I don't think. So Mike, I think The you know the the elephant in the room in this movie, and a lot of ways is the fact that she had a really good band with her sisters. In my opinion I I knew the pleasure seekers just from sort of seeking out sixties Detroit although all that kind of interesting garage rock that never really got big out of Detroit and. I think that band was great. I think that the movie does a good job of showing that she did have this viable potentially successful thing with her sisters and the fact is she got her to go solo and leave them behind and she took it and I think. That's probably where the sisters animosity towards her comes from and I also think that it's it's a it's a little weird that she seems later on in the movie to to lament not having a good relationship with their family but you've already kind of explain why that happened. I didn't actually take away from the interviews in the film with the sisters that obviously there was there was animal study at some stage. Like win a Nancy, who says I'm not a fan of my sisters. She says, I love my sister but I'm not a fan I really did take it to Maine. I'm not so distant way I just SORTA completely. just see susie Qantar the image I see her she is my sister. That's why I am not a fan rather than a cat stand aside. By of course, there is there is that moment in the film though which really I guess it was pretty shocking where she plays cassette and she's kept that cassette with a all life and for those who haven't seen it yet there was a moment where she thinks in nine seventy, four, the family knowing that she's in London, send her attack that if made around the Thanksgiving table and she receives at Christmas at Hasim saying things like well, what do you think of Suzy success? I'm surprised 'cause she's not really that talent. She's a sloppy vice flat and suzy says that really really caught me date and according to what you're saying daily on the IT's understandable. They're talking from apply hush and Suzy at the time she thought while I can sort of understand this or whether she is genuinely thinking get with the problem is gone to do my own thing. Tampa. Be Happy for me. I would have liked that dynamic maybe to have been a little bit more exploited on the other hand I am grateful that the film doesn't completely tune into the melodrama soap opera 'cause you got a lot of plates are spinning in this movie because there is the family stuff there's her career having your own husband as part of the ban. So having that family part of it, her as an alien in the UK and then the whole idea of why is she successful every place but her own country is a is a major theme in this to you know you said any family down and you start asking them about old issues and you're GonNa get an earful. You know we do have to keep it in that context I. Don't I don't think the the when when the sister makes the comment about her Now about her not being a fan I, think that is about not really buying into the image I think is very common. If you do know someone personally who's had some public success, you're an example I mean you are successful filmmaker your wife is accessible successful actress I don't know. If he would say I'm a fan of my wife or if it's just she's my wife. So I can't necessarily be a fan. You know like have that admiration relationship that you have with someone who's in a public space because you get to see what that person is like when they're not on stage, it would've been interesting to if that would asked the question are you proud of your sister? What response to that would have been 'cause? That's the litmus test you. If not proud than maybe there's still some lingering resentment beginning of pride and being fantasy two different things. I'm also fascinated by the kind of person who keeps a tape like that. I was wondering myself I'm like this isn't just something that they kind of recreated for this. This really sounds and feels like it's the real thing you know because there are other times in the documentary. Obviously, they're not shooting planes coming into Australia and they're just taking a filter in shooting something now or using stock footage, and then making it look like it was nineteen seventy two were whenever she does her first tour of Australia. So it's like okay well that yeah, there's there's fakery that we buy in documentaries were just like, okay this is not. Pure this is not been taken from archival footage. You know this is just something that we're doing to represent something but then yeah, you sit down and you have that tape playing and the quotes coming up of what they're saying around the Thanksgiving table and it's just like, wow, she kept that tape man that's really something to take down a notch every time you listen to that's going to be so hurtful. To take the conversation a bit away from the family for amendment. But because you mentioned the Mike about what's archival and what's been set up I, think you can have something that's both. So this moment in the film which I'm wondering, what is this from this? The moment failure on after she's I gone to London in making most is trying to work out what do. I do with her and this essay them in a hotel room and she's sitting behind a piano something else she's holding advice and he's trying to work out with a I'm not sure how we can go with the arrangement of this song You have to think about what you want to do with it. Now come and see tomorrow we'll talk a little bit more that. We know is different from that. Eric is his still frizzy. This is before he became big. So I mean that light running the ice he's electric press kids were big thing. She hadn't even released a record yet. Why would I doing electronic press kit such a thing even exists on sort of trying to why was being filmed give it their cutler shots edited together. It's not even like has a cigarette camera. They just recording this for its iron posterity's edited some really curious walk that footage it was it staged wasn't natural, and if it was natural was being recorded for very peculiar it seems so stage to me especially when he walks out the door and we just kind of like I think there's a slow push or just like a little bit of a zoom in on her and it's just like, okay. But yeah, you're right. It's like was this. A new segment or or they going to shoot the documentary at this time or what? Yeah. Just seem really out of left field. Yeah. My guess based on the footage was that that was probably a documentary with a budget or some kind of TV special baby but it's also like if they're staging at, there's some pretty raw moments to be staging as well. Like. The whole thing is a little boggling. One thing that they do address throughout the entire thing is the whole idea of a woman in the seventies and being a rocker and it was one of those like. It just wasn't done wasn't nearly as common as it might be today you know I look at the charts and I mean you can't call Taylor swift a rocker whatever but I mean somebody like Taylor swift if you go back far enough it's like, okay thanks Isuzu quattro being this very strong person strong personality like we can have women who own their own career, their own image and are able to do this kind of stuff. So I'm so glad that they have these voices of. Women who I really admire I was a huge fan when I first heard them Katie tunstall Debbie Harry. So many great interviews with female rockstars that say that they all a lot to Susan quattro and what she was able to do. There's one moment in the movie that just floors me, which is this whole thing where she's on a talk show and they have her turn around and then smacker ass I, had no idea that there was a contest called the rear of the year in Britain but apparently, it has something to do with that and wow, just when they turn around and smacker as on TV I was like, how far have we come? I am so glad that this doesn't happen anymore or at least doesn't happen on TV too often. Sexist the objectification of men it doesn't diminish their economic or professional. When you check by women, you get the pay gap, you get discrimination in the workplace so. I think she women women who object who self objectify the bodies in entertainment tend to make more money than the women who've done. So that argument doesn't wash I don't think so I don't think a lot of women put into evangelistic. BEN FOR LESS THAN TEN Grand I'm glad that you sent out that link to that article. Mike because he adds a little bit of context to what we see in the film doesn't Russell Hockey's Avia thought the whole rear of the thing that is very much of a time I thought that was seventy. But since I was not a ninety two now last month I think it was Mike when you join his full. Say here we figure that the kids are alright and we saw wrestle happy on that program as well on it sort of Saint Latin a Dole Trian. entwistle really didn't have much to do with him and he was trying to get information out of them that they didn't WanNa give a wonder what else Russell Hoti is done in seeing this moment in the film where he just smacks us I'm thinking or my Lord what is going on here and? Read an interview. Outside of the link that he said where Susie said if he tried ship that stage are would have punched him in the jaw and I'm. Just. Wondering with a punching him in the jaw onset on the tables have because she said I was doing professional to do that. I'm wondering where the punching the on TV would've actually been a bad career move at all I. think she could have gotten away with it. I mentioned there would have been some people who would seem that is unacceptable. I also wanted to look up some other things with Russell. Hoti like. What was his reputation as an interviewer soul? An interview that he did. If, YOU WANNA call it and set with Grace Johns and a kite fair enough bryce giants does have the reputation for being maybe a little bit difficult in interviews but really heat treated patronisingly inside she guided that to him. It was it was a terrible interviews although a maybe he's just generally crept with pop popstars or or maybe with these general because in our soul Greis giants with John Rivers and also with Don Lang who was like an American. Tonight show view worked in Australia, and she was perfectly fine with both of them. Funny. In numerous told great stories by just Russell. So. Is Anyone English who's listening to this podcast plays Ryan us was Russell Hoti an asshole general, either way I think that's such an important moment in this film because you know less, we sit here and twenty twenty and get to critical. In hindsight we have to remember as my candidate she was such a pioneer, the idea of a female Rockstar, not only a female rockstar but to be this woman who is dressing, what's basically bondage gear and his acting tough and you know I sincerely believe was capable of punching that man in the jaw. She probably would have been labelled as difficult and banned from show business back then. She was really navigating uncharted waters and that I watched that that moment in you know I, it's interesting that you you read up on him because I didn't know much about him but either way I just I watched that and I thought like this guy's an ally. These are the people promoting her imagine what it was like behind the scenes or the you know the people who hated her just for existing. Mad Respect Suzy. I'll when she talks about going from radio station a radio station during the the American days, and that's how you got your records play her husband at the time was saying you know oh? Yeah. To get records plate. You'd bring the DJ's whole suitcase full of cocaine. That's the only way they would may be player record. I don't think there's any possibly apart from our NPR. DJ's I. Don't think there's any DJ in Detroit right now that I respect at all they all just come across as bigalow Yahoos owned like there's to think about the shit that she probably put up with these guys who think that they have a little bit of power because they're like on a fucking back wider radio station in Boise Idaho or something what would that have been like that must have been horrible. These was with the stores that graft and corruption being a big thing in American radio pay all. Thank you since the of rock and roll. So I, guess that was off course and it was just an accepted thing love to know. Where there was appointed a if there's been a point where that pile actually stopped in this day and age with more people listening to the music through up in names with even getting your new music on the radio is even a thing. Anymore I'm talking Assad from what we call the public access stations. All your college radio stations, which seemed to be the only things that might play something new everything else is just tried and true. I've spent a little bit of time with Some guys who sort of came right before me in the in the film TV entertainment, whatever industry I worked behind the scenes for a long time and. You hear stories about about the suitcases of cocaine and such and. The reigning wisdom seems to be that Paola for the most part went to MTV, and then as the corporations figured out how to really micromanage. Of Formula, the idea of a person sort of organically growing as a performer and coming to you and getting discovered pretty much got thrown out the window. It still happens especially with people like rappers and stuff but you know the story I always got is that the the DJ is the all powerful taste makers been long gone for several decades. I can't even imagine most of the DJ's these days. Even choose their own records and I'm sure there's nobody that goes in now other than apart from the folks that you mentioned Morris that go in and like grab the stack of records and start flipping through and they're like, okay, I'm GonNa play these on my show. It's got to be all just preprogramed with their little breaks and yeah. Okay. Off I. Go I'm GonNa talk for twenty minutes about whatever comes through on the teletype piano the AP or whatever 'cause that's the thing too is there are so Many times were I'll sit down in the morning or or even before I, go to bed at night now read some news stories and then sure thing the next morning. If you turn on the radio, you're going to hear the same five headlines across every single news organization or every single DJ is going to be like Oh. Did you hear about this Wacky Guy Down in Florida who did this and it's like Oh my God it it just sounds like I love when they do those things say like the daily show are on John Oliver, show last week tonight where he'll just cut together. All of the news clips are the exact same story. You could do the exact same thing. If you took a day of Radio deejays just listen to every single morning drive time show you would hear the exact same stories in the exact same language, and then they would go and now call us and tell us your great stories in. It's like Oh crate. Thanks. It raises an interesting point about Susie Quattro, which is if if you look at are not only, did she have this? That everyone is obviously influenced by someone else but it really was as far as I can tell like a very original look. She may have seen girl on a motorcycle a few times but you know they're really really is a sense of this. You know I I remember even the first time I sort of saw one of her albums going wow or like where did this come from and then to be a bass player I gotta say like the Idea of like the lead singer playing bass and then being a woman doing it again I don't think that was a formula that was really all her own invention I do failings about this yes. She was hugely important obviously from film these moments where they show the other musicians further on down the line who guided the respect that she deserved and she obviously craved the film does Soda Gun Make a token point? I think early on by signed that Musicians like systems FAB in Christine mcvay. Head. Come, before the film does side window guy to make the point that she was the first female musician to. To be to be stronger to sing a little bit more. Kudos given to even People Wanted Jackson Fifties rock n roller and aretha Franklin and Nina Simone to really really strong female singers and musicians. Type the hell of a lot of grant and even though Carol Kaye with not a singer a in the public eye. But she was a strong female bass player who really had to hold her own amongst many miles musicians and she got respect because she did the job in a be surprised if. susie. Wasn't a fan of any of those people? Yes. She came up with something that was fresh. Olive little bit more talk about those who came before type the wife of her as much as she paved the white in a rock and roll sense for other musicians that you've already mentioned, Mike. Oh I. Agree I was referring more to her image. You know the idea of this woman in the leather suit playing the bass. But yeah, you're you're absolutely correct I would love to see a little bit more a Tina Turner's great missing link in that list as well. The era that we grew up in I mean seeing a woman playing bass in a band was at least you know as a fan of alternative music. That, was like for you know I'm thinking like Sonic Youth and smashing pumpkins and the breeders slash the pixies and it's just like, okay. Yeah. That's thing to the point where it was almost stereotype. Well okay. Yeah. You put the girl in the base I don't know why that was what I think. Maybe even White Zombie might have had a female bass player as well and it was just like, okay. Yeah, that's cool. Her and that fricken huge base it kept trying to picture her setting that thing down probably would have come up to at least her neck. It just looked almost as tall as she is and just yeah she she could play the shit out of that base I was so glad when they finally figured out, okay. We're going to feature the base in the songs and make this her. Instrument because otherwise they were like they do with a lot of music mixes they were just burying the base. It was just there carrying the load of the percussion and it wasn't doing that much on its own, but she could really make that thing saying I have a theory that that plays a little bit into why she was a bigger hit in the UK and I believe Australia because there was. This real basic bottom heavy brand of Glam rock I'm thinking of like slade or the sweet bands like that. That were known in the US but they were never big here. The way that say a led Zeppelin or the stones or you know a lot of these other big rock acts word I think the her sound again kind of back to the continuum in the influences like she was very much. Either influenced or otherwise like playing to that genre, which featured like a really heavy bass really that great sort of Lake, deep Tom Sound I'm getting in an audio engineer stuff here a little bit but you know like it's I've a huge fan of that and that I guess that kind of leads to the the question about her not having used success here Mike Deception about why she hid it really big in Australia has less to do with the Glam Rock era and another that she actually said, she never saw himself as a Glam rock hottest probably on the whole ten tend to agree with him that. In Australia from the late sixties into the early seventies. The big thing if you would say, abandon the club's. Owner, listen to the radio was heavy blues based Music AB version of Woodstock. Who is the sombre music festival sun like a little Tan just maybe a few kilometers Sada Melvin December festivals in the early seventies I think for three full years where absolutely huge and there were bands played no bullshit. Nonsense Heavy Blues BICYC- boogie music. The band's Thorpe and the aspects in Boston brand lobby Lloyd chain, and cast in the Kim Barge Express, and then later on in the seventies ends absolutely huge cultures angels in judges from the Falcon. So I know you're familiar with much through the twentieth century Y'all's Santrac all those bands were part of the Australian top forty, a general puddle musical landscape. So he comes suzy, Quattro who's playing Brand of rock and roll, and it fits in completely with the music that we will listening to from becky gas. It makes complete sense. She was popular here I caught sight for certain why she wasn't popular in the states you'll theory lay on that. They associated more with the Glam Rock era and gland insane to be a big thing in the states. But yeah. So on some of the Glam, band were very big swayed sweet was huge either. I tend to sort of. Think of more in the blues boogie sort of. Dad If you want to call it that by. Especially, coming back to the albums and listening to the last few weeks plus what we hear in the film is that she didn't want to stick with the one thing. So the first couple of albums, that's the image that we have of her, you know the blues and Boogie Sorta think. But by the time we get to the Alabama why locked me which I've had like a must to live with now she was obviously digging into funk music i. mean it was there was still something of. What she was doing before. Like a Drummer Haram base playing. Really SORTA. grooving on on the made on her motown routes I mean I guess he's a little bit more dirty than the motown sound. That album has some aureus funke. The received lighter run the next couple of albums down the line she the guy from a poppy gentle acoustic sound and then later on in the film I, guess we'll talk more about it. Than is she it's will musical theater and one of the things that she says in the film I'm not having anyone put me in a bag by husband. Thinks that I'm just guided they this topic musician but I wanNA explore a whole bunch of other things and it really is seventy, seventy, six, win your Mama Dot lock me came up. That was already evidence that she was wanting to try something different and obviously she says I don't WanNa do the Leather Tuscan era thing anymore because they're gonna get the impression that's all I can go and I think that's much associated the added with. Those first two albums a much gentler friends, family friendly vision of that. But still associated with that tough leather image, she was ready to do something else. So huge respect to affirm net. Yeah. I found that really admirable and you know getting back a little bit as from the American perspective and someone who is a big Fan of seventies rock I like to say again I can't speak for Australia but if you look at the UK. Like in the early seventies I, like to say that the UK went glitter and America was going. Denim and if you look at the mainstream like who is a real superstar Americans seventies, it ended up being like the eagles in this real kind of middle of the road you know vaguely countryish but without any sort of edged, you know like I I really think that she had an image that was they. It's an overused phrase but really ahead of its time and terms of what people were receptive tubing or at least what we were being sold for shits and giggles I just. Put in you know top songs of Nineteen, seventy five now granted I like a lot the songs. But when you look at the choice of what was out there in the top forty, what actually broke through rhinestone cowboy shining star by and fire fucking fantastic song I'm not in love by Tennessee see Tony Orlando and dawn bj Thomas Major Harris case. Ah. Sunshine Band. So it's like we're doing like Gordon lightfoot we're doing like singer. songwriters. We we've got the feel like making love by bad company the that's not that heavy, but it's heavier than other things and then you've got like. You were saying like funk like That's the way the world by Earth Wind Fire and we've got disco with Casey and the Sunshine Band Jive Talkin by. The BG's. But that's also the fucking era of you know I said, I was going to put anything down but that's the era of feelings by Morris Albert. I mean one of the worst songs ever so must have been so difficult because he had this just wasn't as hard as you could get punk rock was still around the corner hard rock really wasn't at that great of a point right now prog rock was. Kind of a thing over here, funk and disco. So yeah, it was. It would have been tough for somebody to to break through with what she had boy. You're talking about really plays into a much larger continuum in American music and really how Americans treat quote pop music versus the rest of the world where it's always been a little throwaway it's always been like, yeah that was cool. But here's the new thing you should buy. Incredibly American attitude and if you look America culturally has been absolutely amazing at inventing musical genres and then throwing them away until some other country picks it up and does something awesome with it and sells it back to us and I mean that's going back. Really be you know to the Beatles at least you know and and she's just it makes complete sense to me that she would get much more recognition abroad because this country. Is just always been about what, what can I sell you and particularly in the seventies I think lake. Once again, we're making all this great, really interesting rock in the sixties, and then as the industry became more and more an industry in amend the states at least it was really becoming about like. Well, what what kind of feel good thing can we sell that? Everybody's GonNa enjoy again back to the happy days thing really. Yeah you started happy daisy ended happy it all comes back in a big circle. Wasn't that the period where kiss was starting to make it big media kiss alive was that nine, hundred, seventy, five. Seventy six and they were pretty big like about you know the top while Casino Suzie Q. was coming belly than. Than before Kiss showed that Alab rock band could still. So the breakthrough, the singer songwriter will the middle of the ride things that maybe Dr Medal I will Barbra streisand with putting down. You know kiss came up earlier because I was trying to think of well who was doing some version of what might be considered Glam in American kiss was really the ones that sort of picked that mantle up though born and raised in the southern suburbs of Detroit like amicus Fan. But I got but in terms of the actual like. In terms of heaviness if we're really rating those songs like they were still like the way that kiss was recorded was not. On par with what AC DC was doing you know or what the sweet was doing just in terms of sort of sonic impact you know. But yeah, I. Think you're you're correct. They were like one of the only ones them Alice Cooper. You know who else Cooper would tell you that kiss ripped him off completely. But you know in terms of like taking that thing and kind of making a heavy performance oriented thing it was happening I'm just I'm speaking more in terms of Lake when I talk about the industry with a capital I in what was what was being sold I? Think Mike's correct that it was there was this constant quest in the seventies to. Get his middle of the road as possible I guess because you could sell more records that way and and I think in huge at least in the states was a huge reaction to that wall and don't forget to that the only top ten or number one hit the kiss head was fucking Beth. You know. So it's it's like they're their songs were. Selling and they had mass fans I think they call themselves the kiss army but yet it's like fucking discovered duck is the number one song in the country at the time. So it's just like Oh. That's the thing that's so frustrating when you're watching Suzie Q. The documentary and you're seeing like the song number one in the UK number warden. Sweden. Number. One in Portugal didn't chart in the US and it's like, yeah no, it was tough to break through because we had don't pull your love out on me baby or the rubber band man or these kind of things were the ones in the you know the top forty hits the ear. So yes, stuff like the things that we're talking about the sweet. fucking. New York dolls kiss. Any of these things are not gonNA breakthrough. They're not going to cut through the noise of top forty radio. It would have probably been original hits I mean yes sure. There was not going to be as many rock and roll bands that were gonNA sleep the whole country but I made like no one of my beloved. Collections of music is the nuggets box set that Lenny Kaye symbol. Regional hits there might have been like a couple of it sort of breakout with just one site, but it seems like these were more here. The songs said people forgot. Is. Seems. Always pockets of table. WHO As, long as I could put on guitar and. Get behind the drum kit kit. Imply, the base would still sort of love. What the possibilities that rock and roll music? Could do into. It I. Guess It is a shame that. America was a hall is he put it like My buying into that there's another piece to that puzzle which we've touched on a little bit because if I think about seventies rock yes. Rock was huge in America and and a lot of that was bands like the stones and led Zeppelin. But there was an enormous amount of really great what they call classic rock now coming out in that era and when I. Think about like a classic who was making really great innovative, heavy rock and roll in the seventies I think van Halen and then what I also think of is how incredibly entrenched all that was in a very male macho boys club kind of thing which don't get me wrong as a little kid as a little boy I absolutely loved it but I can also see that. There is a sexism that is not going away. That was a million times worse back then and I think there really was. A really negative response in America to the idea of. Any woman who's not a soul singer or you know a Lesley Gore type or or a nice sweet Carol King Type. You know I think that there is really a lot of resentment almost toward any woman who dared to get up and to be a rocker as we've seen with lest we forget the runaways as well. She's talking about at one point how they come back from a tourist pleasure seekers and it's like, okay, we come back to Detroit now we've got you know the MC five and you know you think of other. Artists from that time and you can sit there and go. Okay MC five. IGGY and the stooges you know Bob Seger, Ted Nugent, and is just yeah boys I have two boys after boys after boys. PUNK is not necessarily my specialty, but it does seem to me that. The role of punk music did level the playing field somewhat. But maybe once again, not from an American perspective a but. In England where wealth module another American ex. Pat who had to take on a band of British. Musician nothing in Chrissy onto the pretenders in the size have Patti Smith suzy sued. I'm imagining that punk in general. So the. Fox that Taki Way. Just going to strap on the Guitar Awakened Mike Beautiful. Noise. INTO THE CLASSIC ROCK Maybe follow that how many classic rock songs about girls just turning seventeen, who the opening song to the first album by my favorite beverage. Unfortunately, I never would have associated her with glitter because I I don't know just I guess the leather and stuff I just I mean and I have nothing against glitter rock. There was so many great glitter rockers. But, I just I never would have put her in that box. But then like she says, she doesn't want to be a box. That is an interesting thing about the runaways I never associated I'm kind of jumping around a little bit but I'd never associated her image with the runaways as strongly as they made the case for in the movie and just that. I never have. I guess because growing up with Joan Jett being a solo artist Joan Jett like I wasn't even that familiar with the runaways and so when they were talking about how Joan Jett would get approached by people who insisted that she was Susie quattro or that Susan Quattro had done the things that Joan Jett did. It just boggled my mind I really just never would have confused those two I find it interesting. Have mentioned the film that. John jet wanted to be a climb of. I guess like you Mike if I would set sort about Oh. Yeah I guess she probably would have been a fan but. The the level of idol worship just Wow. I never would have guessed that actual just. So the coming back to the happy is thing. That's way suzy. I guess it's not what she ended her acting career. That is so worse stopped at that time. She didn't decide to Mak-, a lot more of a thing about it, and there's that movie in the ID's that Paul schrader written directed light of Dight, which features Joan Jett. During prejudice I recovered electro scene, suzy quattro in the part that giant jet did playing alongside Michael. Fox's at a film that you said, Oh yes. I have not seen it this is a little bit of a side note but fun fact that film was shot in Cleveland and there's a scene where there's a new wave band opening for them fronted by Trent Reservoir that's true. Yes. Yes, it is. There's a documentary about Joan Jett and I don't remember the whole suzy quattro thing coming up in there. There's also a documentary about the runaways called edge play that I still haven't watched yet and I'd be very curious to because This is a very much an aside, but a few years ago. One of the former members of the runaways was on jeopardy and becoming this kind of mini jeopardy champ. She was no James Whole Tower but she was really good and I was just like, wow, and then they started talking about how she was in a rock band and went back and I looked up her and what she had done stuff and just uncovering all of the garbage that she had put up with and to the point where saying the manager of the runaways was had a raped her and just all this shit that she had gone through and then who backed her up on this stuff and it was like. I don't think that Joan Jett backdrop on it, and so it was just like, ooh I'm wonder if this edge play will get into those things because it sounds like a fascinating story but also really horrific story. Candidates. Play on the safe here a few years back and. It is it is pretty interesting. I would have liked to have saying maybe a little bit more but maybe that's I, don't necessarily know that much about the runaways. So there's some things are wanted to know more by Yes certainly did reveal that there was a lot of sorted stuff going on and I had to put up with a hell of a shit. So yeah, once again, if you like sausage. Exactly Kim Fowley in particular is is a by all accounts, a foul human being. So yeah if you get if you get into the runways story in any depth, you're gonNA start hearing some nasty things about him. Yep. That's exactly who I was talking about. I couldn't remember the gentlemen's name though he doesn't sound like a gentleman. That occurs to be, which is I don't doubt that Joan debt was a huge fan of Susie quattro. Why wouldn't she be and also just as as a sort of you know someone who came right before and someone sorted emulate or at least be inspired by I also think it's funny that again back to the kind of inherent sexism in that in that era that there is the sense that people have like that, there can be only one that if I you know that Oh here's. This female rocker that must be Joan Jett whereas like how many guys in the eighties look like Rob Halford. At least in terms of what they were wearing, you know how many? How many guitar players emulated Eddie Van Halen like the million of these you know whether they were inspired a rip off. So we were we were fine with you know twenty bands in the eighties that looked like Motley crue. But as soon as irs like too tough women fronting bands, it's like well, how can that be? I'm sure that. Some of our former soul singers have been mistaken for Seoul singers in the past where it's just like Oh yeah you're the guy from your pip- right? No, no no. I'm one of the four tops Oh. Yeah. I Love Your Song Papa was a rolling stones. Listen that gets into black lives in general, which is a whole other PUTT. Yes. To say the Least News Jackie Fuchs who I was thinking of who went by Jackie Fox when she was in the runaways and I do see that she has an edge place I that's more reason for me to see it more. So I know that you had put out a question on a group recently asking about. Performers have done musical theater and I did find it fascinating I would've loved to have seen Susa- quattro as any Oakley in any get your gun. It just looked like an amazing performance I'm wondering whether there's Somewhere on. Youtuber. Davide someway like a full performance that because we get a little bit of footage day that might have been just for. A news story and he's suzy tra- remember the leather. Well, she's now putting unaddressed. On, did put out a question in the. State. Hoffman music for to say what people would come up within A. Besides sequester the on the one who offered the only two people remember would fight associated with the parts of Asa Linda. Famously did a seasonal however long way of he was on. Broadway parts of pens. Hey locally a singer in the seventies who was beloved he had really done much outside of his job Europe. Code John English and he'd started off in Jesus Christ superstar but once he totally gone through that he was like his big rock stop. In Australia of the seventies and then he just decided on a musical theater in He was a good actor said, he absolutely owned the parts of pens as people went talk about anyone else in the casters join English but the other, some of the other people who had been mentioned in the forum that remember with paid noon. Permanent Hammett's who I'm presuming took the pirate king role that joining wish in parts of Paul Stanley, having done phantom of the opera and I think we discussed that Mike with with you on. Phantom of the packet aside Micky Dolenz headed pot apparently in the Tim Rice Elton John. Divider that was pretty amazing to to terrain but I think a lot of the responses people came up with tended to be more in the Tim Rice Andrew Lloyd Webber Musical type thing which apart from Jesus Christ superstar yet is certainly not rock Judson, the technicolor drain Chitral Productions of grace, which is playing on popular music styles not pop music was not rock music. Certainly, that would be that would work in its own right, but it's not musical theater I was looking for more responses in terms of Things have been written for like lend is Rob Lowe people gone done a Rockstar had gone and done a cloudburst South Pacific or west side story that sort of thing. Yeah. I'm really surprised that people didn't count with more responses like that. Yet I'm they must've been more people like Susie Quadra who'd gone into traditional musical theater and and really just that thing in the film where she said that she was going to ride her I music or around musical about two little bankhead I love that as she just. Of already shown that I can act in something I'm sure that I can sing music that is Not what you normally associate with me and guess what I'm going to write music guy to write a polite and I'm going to write the music and I'm going to start and they went to some gripe pains in the film to sort of show that until bankhead and any Oakley. Very much CACTUS, Simpatico, with Suzy quattro are. Absolutely love that a love finding that at. Once again, coming back to what we were discussing early on in the film about the film. Guy Fire and often yeah maybe another half that would have been great but I really do think that they a lot of things in this film that I just I think I did not know that and really that was that was fantastic I just love learning that sort of stuff that she had that connection to other forms of music. Something? That wouldn't necessarily have associated with. The one that popped in my mind when we're talking about this was I knew that Joan Jett had been in a cast of rocky horror picture show I also assume that she would have been at least franken further but she ended up being Columbia. So I'm surprised that she didn't have a bigger part not that there are any small parts in that movie, but just or production I should say, but I, I know that I've seen women play Franken furhter. So I assume that she would be that kind of build A. Build up to her performance built up to her coming on screen rather than her being one of Frank's helpers I'm married to a professional actor. So I have a little bit of insight into this that could very much be a business decision as well. The idea of taking risks on people who shall we say are accustomed to a rock star lifestyle versus incredibly disciplined Broadway lifestyle and what it really takes in terms of the hours in the rehearsals and to put it in after night after night, it's I know people. Who've who've done Broadway shows and it's really you know it's it's like being a professional athlete is is really above and beyond so I, wouldn't be surprised if with some of that sort of boutique casting, it might be on the production side with their a little hesitant to take a chance on somebody like that. It was floors me when I hear those stories of Broadway actress that are in two productions and one night where they'll do a bit part in one, and then run across the street and change and being another production. Cynthia Nixon she did that who I just saw last night watching the diocese had to sort of look twice. Is that her? Oh, my God so. Let's go ahead, take a quick break and we're going to play a pair of interviews. I we're going to hear from Suzy quattro herself, and then we'll hear from some the folks behind Suzie, Q. Director, Liam furniture, and producer tape Brady Ella be back with both of those right after these messages. Had to continue television series after major actor has left the cost to the Blake seven. Remove the character from the script introduce a new replacement character. Eventually, view of the original characters will be present and the series will barely resemble original form for more apt to shine six television listen to the British invaders podcasts, www dot British invaders, dot com. Let me ask you a question. Are. You Getting Enough I. Bet you love more right. Well. Adam. Dot Com wants to give you more. With ten free gifts. I. Get a sexy surprise for her. Second especially slipped a toy for him and third. A little something we know you both enjoy. 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But also some of the year's biggest films I'm even joined by the host of the projection booths, the one and only Mike White. So if you WANNA, listen to even more conversations on film head on over to culture cast dot com or find it all podcast android and IOS. I'm Chris Cooling from. TV and you're listening to the projection booth the ultimate movie podcast. Quattro thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. I've been a fan of yours for a while especially because you come from Detroit where I'm at right now and I'm curious. Where did you grow up in the city I was born and raised in goes point woods you know suffer and then removed to go stripes farms when I was about fourteen. Rerun that several only into houses the WanNa non-tory voted goes sprint was is like my heart I've left my heart and then we move to a place on Allard grow just by seven miles in mackinaw around there. What kind of rolled music claim when you were growing up my father works for General Motors in the daytime and evening he was a musician. He had five kids and we were all very musical. All played various instruments I myself played classical piano and percussion. I read right play both instruments and when I was fourteen and we started our first band is you know I told the story every it was after seeing the Beatles on the show and everybody all the girls were on the phone two. Sisters, one of my sisters and another girl that lived down there. But we re talking after the Beatles on the phone and we decided to form Vanden everybody chosen instrument and I didn't speak quick enough. So it said to me you're going to play bass and I said Okay and Lucky for me when I switch down, put it on my dad gave me on from my first base. It's amazing I make musicians green I had nine hundred fifty seven fender precision given to me to learn on. It was written in the stars I was going to be a serious bass. Player. Do. They make smaller bases because I think looks like it's as tall as you are I known when people say that I just want to punch them you're no, it just doesn't occur to me. I was I said to my that Judah per base yes I do. Can I have? Yes, you can. He gave it to me I didn't know who smaller basis. So really because I didn't know it I've just. Learned on that and when I play a smaller one now, if feels like Tori but no, I didn't know and I don't care I like the big base. I. Like the long neck I liked the heavy body just suits me perfect. Most people that sent looks like I was born plane abrasives are you said that you could read and write music did your dad teach you or did you actually have formal training? From a training in percussion and piano self taught on Bass and Qatar as well. So properly trained percussion piano end and self base and I play another guitar write songs about a group. Because I was one of these unusual bass players that didn't fail on guitar and then go base you know and a lot of them did but not me, I, just went to the base when I was young I used to get a big long room and put rubber bands about it and be tend to pluck standard base, believe it or not. Is that was always in my wavelength and also I always remember all the family trips which which were numerous because you know five kids you're not going to go on a plane it's going to be too expensive lot of them were car trips and we always had sing songs and my dad would always be on dum dum dum dum to ice to think Danny's got the best part. So I always had the central I had a natural bass player just it's just natural instrument for me. How did you get approached to be a subject of a documentary all about you know? Well there was aboard documentary about eighteen years ago by a good friend of mine she was actually Bass player for very short time that the runaways Vicki Blue we became good friends and started the do one, and then some of the people actually one of the people that I don't WanNa give any names of one of the people that was. Interviewed decided that she didn't like how she looked on camera and refused permission taking the guts out of the documentary. So what? Yeah it wasn't very nice so that Kinda got boarded, we're still good friends. Oh, begin out wasn't my fault and then this Guy Liam from jour- he contacted me about forty years ago now and he said he would. Like to documentary resource and I didn't know who he was. Tell me by yourself. He said to me I gotTA. Tell you right away though I'm not a fan I kinda went. That was surprising. And he said, dumb, don't get me wrong. Don't be wrong. He said unlike him music it's just I'm not a fan summit. Oh okay. Fair enough. That's okay and then I said, well, if you're not a fan of, do you want to do this documentary and he said because when I saw, you're talking about a television show I found fascinating. So I knew I knew. I had found my guy he would be objective. He would be honest. He would be strong about what he thought and even if we clashed a bit, you know I was Gonna get the honest no-holds-barred raw documentary that I wanted the truth I wanted that and I knew he would give that to me. It took about four years to make the documentary you went everywhere. We how is that working with him and then also seeing your life I mean Gosh you've been in this business for so long thing it all just kind of taken down to like ninety minutes or so it doesn't seem like manages. It seems like it lasts for six days when you watch it because it's your life of their, you're going Oh, my God is quite it's a strange reaction. You know you you almost WANNA run away. It's just strange to see your life up on the screen all some of the things people said, they just humbled me. I was crying half the time when I was watching it. In our some of the things made me hurt some of the made me laugh some of the made me smile it was worth all and it affects me every time I watch it. If you were to see your life on the screen, you'd be the same you just Kinda go oh my God. All right God I did all that Oh my God is somebody says something I go oh my God. Oh. My God. Full disclosure I am a child of the seventy S. so my first exposure to you was unhappy days. So I knew that you had acted than that and then I'm a fan of Midsummer I. See you on that and I'm just like Oh my God I didn't realize that she had worked more than I looked up your photography just like, wow, you've. Done so much acting, and then to find out that you've written books and just the a radio show just so many things and it's like they just barely touched on in the dot is just adds to your full character of just how inventive you are I'm Artiste I've put it that way I, didn't get into this is for minute again for a lifetime. Entertaining is my big thing in rock and roll obviously is in my heart in my soul but I always knew that I would not be boxed in and I will do whatever this big ball of wax that is called being artist. It will allow me to do you know and I hope I have the sense not to try to do something I, can't put all the things I've done. They've all been about communicating creating an entertaining. So it's the same follow wax. I used the same instinct when I'm acting what was I do when I go on the stage, play a song or when I'm writing a poem writing the song, it's all the same thing. For me just being an artist with happy days was at your first acting Gig. Yes. Can you believe it? I said to Ron Howard because I was curious I remained friends with all these people s to the phone. Because I was curious to his answer I said, did it ever seem to you like I was a brand new address on the show and he said absolutely not you felt like an old pro and that you been there from the start of the series in our win. That's exactly what I felt like. That's strange. It's strange how that happened I I. Guess I just slotted in didn't night we'll just made sense I mean as soon as they introduced leather. Tuscan. Sarah, it's like, Oh yeah. Well, obviously it's. Hard of the show and it was. Wasn't it you where did the the hip slap finger gun thing come from in in a Lotta these shows they try to come up with what they call it a business of bit of business. So it's a finger snapper as a salute or something like around is to go I found three zero. So everybody has been a business and somebody suggested that and I've tried a few things in that I don't in that one felt right to make I can't believe that they were offering you your own show your own spinoff. Yes. But I had done enough. I have done three seasons as another Tuscan darrow and I, didn't WanNa be typecast again I, won't be boxed in so. That's enough that's enough of that character and I was right because I went to do. As you saw, the docks so many other things you know are you still going radio shows I left about a year ago I did fifteen years on BBC radio two, which is the biggest station in Europe. I was one of the most popular deejays but I left because I found out that they were reluctant to play my new albums because I was a DJ on their station and that made me angry and I said I'm an artist I I'm sorry but I'm going to have to go that's not to say I will go back and do some more things I probably will but. Now. They're playing records, and so I didn't like that I didn't like it but I do like doing radio. What did you think it is about Australia, that makes you. So popular there I don't know people always ask me that Japan and Australia Roy's might two biggest markets I mean I've had number one country but. Australia's particularly good. I don't know what it is and I guess by Australian people to there's something about us me and them that we just connected from day one. They've taken me in as one of their own. They understand where we've grown up together. We've kind of have have had a love affair since day one I always say we are lovers we should never get married. What do you feel your relationship is with England because we've been over there what more than half your life I don't know how it happened I didn't plan. This is I had two offers a the same week one from Elektra records and they saw the band cradle and they didn't like the band at all and they offer your sole contract making most came in the same week. To Record Motown, he saw the bandied like the band and he only wanted me. So Electra wanted me to go to New York and get a Guy Band around me and become the next Janice Joplin making most said come to England. I'll put a board band around you and I will make the first Susie quattro. So that's kind of like a no-brainer Ryan and I came here and the just took about eighteen months before had success over all that eighteen months putting down roots you know, and then I fell in love with my guitar player. So putting down roots again and I ended up just just staying it wasn't planned and now my kids are. You know whatever. But I'm always, as you could hear I, don't lose my ex of I am an American in. Ingrid. I always will be, but I do like it here I do like all of it were live and traveled all the time I come back a lot to America always toward their back there a few times lately did several radio shows from their documentaries. I had my sixty in Detroit, my sixty fifth in Detroit. I got the Michigan Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Award and got the she vox surveying the January in La and I went in Texas got the woman evaluate award I've been back and forth quite a bit. You know it's not like I don't come home I was so glad to see Alice Cooper in the documentary I can't imagine what it was like touring with him when you both. So young well, it was for my nightmare redid eighty five shows. I? Mean I made it Nice We've known each other very long chummy always calls you this little sister that read write that you are now learning German. I'm married to a German man, for twenty seven years now, and we actually separate countries. He lives in Hamburg and I live in England and we go back and forth, which is great except when there's a pandemic and then it's not so great. So we were. Two and a half months apart. You know that's not good. But some non going there again at the end of this month 'cause I went from my seventieth birthday and then I had to come back to the UK in quarantine for two weeks an ongoing back again. So I don't speak German though I mean he's never spoke German. He always speaks English are you still touring nonstop? I did eighty five shows here I had the One of the busiest year since the seventies was certainly high as a kite by album, no control came out, which is I think one of my style got absolute rave reviews around the world. I've never had such views. They were dissecting the songs, including lyrics to me I. I wrote and produced it with my son which was unexpected. We didn't know what was going to happen. We just thought we were having savant all of a sudden serious out documentary came out again to rave reviews. Rave, Scott very successfully I'm working. On the movie of My life. Now, of course, some gigging right now but I think if it goes ahead, the going to start again in September. So I work all the time I am a working. That's what I am and we're now writing songs for the next Dome together and we've done fourteen already. Do ever regret that leather became your trademark I mean does not get hot onstage I do make the joke sometimes I say right how dumb a mind I chose the heaviest since dramatically Bass Guitar outfit how dominant in No. No I just it's funny. It's funny to me that that happened. I'm so used to wearing it now and it actually. Keeps me fit to tell you the truth you know how many seventy year olds do you. They can jog five miles. How many seventy year olds are sixty, nine last Gig I. Did you know that new to our show on stage with the weather jumpsuit and Bass Guitar and be jogging around singing and playing do everything I do and I'm not I'm not a quiet performer and not be out of breath at the end of the show sounds like rock and roll is keeping you young. His that's what it is. My husband is quite annoyed. Why aren't you out of breath? Sorry. But I'm not going back to the question of oiling down your life to a documentary I mean. Were there things that you wanted in there or things that you wanted to express that you weren't able to and the time that was allotted no. In fact, it was quite a nice long documentary. I think we covered everything sufficiently I've said everything I want to say the record was put straight. You saw me warts and all which is what I wanted I am pleased. I'm so pleased without we did it I. Think He created a working party bloody great job with Quadra. Thank you so much. This was such an honor to talk with you my pleasure very much. Got Everything you needed. How did you guys meet we met? It was. True to mutual friend who was doing film I think. was shooting at and that was sort of a mockumentary fake shut that ended up with thirty or forty people can contributing and and that was just remembered each other or. Another project calling which he he was talking to me about a few years ago, and that was that was struggling a little bit and then out of the blue I cut cold from hit high of just Mitt quattro about and. Do a film Liam. How did you come up with the idea of doing a Susa- quattro documentary at the time I was definitely on the hunt for a? A. Music is documents because being a musician lactate. I just had a real affinity for the subject and they're real curiosity about the lives of frocks Tauzin and I was really just looking for a suitable subject really on you know in my in my periphery in a mutual friend had suggested that you know own done a documentary on Susie caught true and my reaction was, will I'm not really I die hard fan. I'm not sure how I would do that, and then I actually set it up for a couple of days and I thought hang on a minute. You know I could actually bring a real interesting perspective objectively to to this, and so I, guess sort of reevaluated my feelings about Suzanne listen to more music I thought this is really good. She's got an interesting story and And I knew that the that the magnitude of the project or what I perceived it to. It was too big for male own and on you tight was a real gun at this sort of stuff. So that's what I I reached out and said, Hey, look what I got paint. How did you end up becoming a producer? I piping bands when I was really young started quite young. Fifteen thing twenty, six, I suppose and somewhere in Miami twenties I started working in the film industry but actually in cinemas in distributions are of really professionally worked in film the whole time but I did all these other things, distribution running cinemas, distributing films and laid to to producing the whole the time. You know when you're into music, you're into music is like A. Lifetime IT'S A. Long Time. Sentence. So and played for a long time. My. Garage but. I'm old enough to been around the time when susie broke. And as you can probably tell from the film Susie, this huge in Strega wrought from the get-go. So I was very aware of her. Loved and I was very aware of her career and because she still does he irregularly this Tom some guy he skipped the log he's got like a a website every international tour. Every International Odyssey in the strategy has since post World War Two and he claims his susie chose to more than anybody Human Abba Eban. Suzy would. Like everyone her career as a long time before. We say these winds even within the streets she would be doing year not great venue back in the nineties that doing maybe not the best venues I'm applying to a few hundred people and last year she was planning ship thousand people again in. Major cities they sent me a baby boom nostalgic kind of wise but we went to shows what we really love to win to shots. No people of all ages obviously. Parents who bringing their kids. and. You know love twentysomethings. Is just. A voice related tours real kind of guitar based hard rock. That's why we see a hood yet he in so much of. In the film we slit with a sink about the why she's deceived in different places and As hard rock. Liam, this wasn't your first documentary. Can you tell me a little bit about king of the mountain it was completed but unfortunately to all sorts of issues including licensing costs that was shelved, I just felt very natural affinity with the documentary form I've dabbled with drama and comedy and and things like that, and my background is music video predominantly but the just seems to be some kind of. Some panico with may documentaries I. Really enjoyed my joy the process that I enjoy peeling the layers on subjects and getting to the heart of the story and more. So than perhaps other preceding people have done because I was never I never wanted to do a straight music documentaries than most people do so to churn out most of the massive based on tragedy or sort of posthumous theme. And I thought it was a real challenge to do on on somebody who is very much alive and kicking and almost catching a second wave of the career right in his ends this week. So you know I thought that's that's a real challenge. That's really interesting. So so once you decided that you're going to make s he said that you met with Susan and I'm curious what her reaction to that proposal was. I think Suzy's very much a fifty veteran of the industry so. She's very. Protective defensive of her legacy of you like and so I think it was a lot of to and fro between her to sort of build a certain amount of trust that she was putting this in the hands of myself and tight. You know what would be a challenge I knew it will take a while to sort appeal those layers and get behind the mosque so to speak but I was confident that we could do it has been rating her on. Graffiti. I could tell that she wasn't obviously a shrinking violets and she wasn't going to put a heavy spin on on the truth. It was really just a matter building that actual trust foundation to know. We had a film into make it work one of the things about the film taking sidelong to complaints. was actually in some respects it was a, you know a drag for spit gave us his ongoing access to susie interviewed. Many Times is a ninety four years. Alright. Right up towards the end we did another view. So she she had more access to us as well. She got to know better she understood the shown by the she initially understood the film she'd already seen in Ellicott and we could keep digging and digging. And if there's anything that we missing in the narrative, we came back probably seventy interviews I think we probably do whether I've in different countries for years. You know we head to get past the slam was sort of alluding to before she had the. She's told the story so many times can you imagine you're? So get past the the pre host narrow vision that she's just naturally comes out we. Push a bit said that was the cat indirect film. Exactly. We always wanted to get this subject we knew because she is she's very driven and she knew that she donald is different things like you've been living in a musical theater running publishing poetry and a of rockstars. Do that That was a really nice to face the idea of her poetry throughout and just kind of framing up different moments of her life with that. Those very clever creatively speaking what she does his maybe unconsciously very off the moment very biographical. So if you look at the susie songs in what she was recording through career that were almost chapter marks of wishy was at that time or. What she was experiencing an and that's true. The poetry as well. So it was a real blessing to be able to utilize not only the songs, but is poetry paces as chapters almost as indicators. How did you finally managed to break through that facade? I'm very curious that was just a matter of the time or were there certain things where you're able to the connect with her and? Where you would actually be like, oh, I'm seeing something that I haven't seen before while we were recording. At, her house in tighter tight joined us for that journey that that particular trip. On the first day of filming, we felt like we weren't getting anywhere. Know we had. We had the crew there we up the lights there. Too, tight actually suggested at the end of that day that may be I would come back the next day just by myself and leave the crew at home and just do the sand on the lights by myself, and that was really the breakthrough moment because then it became much more of a conversational pace between your friends if you like we would just newsroom alone together for Alice and that's when she really opened up because she wasn't performing for the camera anymore all for the people in the room she was just having a very honest sincere conversation and I think at that moment of. Mass destruct- by by Titus just that. But I knew at that moment, we definitely had to fill more than film. You know something that was really interesting with those subsequent interviews. Did you leave everybody at home or was she more comfortable now if say take came with you I, think a trigger point of trust at a point. So we really Did. It was there after that it became just a very open dialogue like that was my most enjoyable part of the experiences was David those moments Liam. said that he's not a fan by tate are you a fan of Sushi quattro or or you fan of her work before we started this project? I was definitely aware of specialty retail albums through the Seventies. Amongst fan now we've met the weight met. But of course, working working on it for so long. Listing revisiting old materialize we need. Come to really love that most of the album's Thomas certainly better than others in the couple of light out evening into the case it's ninety. She has to go get a bit soft, but that's just your records there also incredibly while produced much chapman's genius. and. I realized that no one covers US songs because they really hard to reproduce this a few producing tricks that Lenny and suzy talk about and Mont talks about you know with spades out I think its in the filling they sped out the time bit that he would double-track it's house and just lift the drums right up in the knicks drummer the instrument and an double-track says, he says he's things like this. Pretty. Headed detente the ninety set me trade. Before and I just always knew there was something special about does records. But my favorite song of all honestly is actually a ballard that Mark Chapman road but the Gulf in Detroit city, which is like I'm Cruzi motown. On of. The crews that it just love and that was that might quite recent, right? Yeah. I think there's in the last five years ago she did that with Mike as not on full the box set release of hurts the complaint. And it was just a wonderful kilobytes line. And surprisingly, micro the lyrics to it. You had mentioned that was Susie riding those lyrics this so personal and so autobiographical, but it was actually my dependent and. Obviously. He knows her because he absolutely nailed it. What were some of the biggest challenges Liam that you had making this documentary I think because challenge I think it's true of any filmmaker wherever you are not as financing especially when you're dealing with. A subject that request much licensing and permissions and the songs alone if you don't know who to talk to. which in attracts decrease, your is paying through the noise this stuff and it's very prohibitive if you don't get the support in the and the investment required a lot of. Similar documentaries stole exactly because of that reason, and that's certainly my experience what had to have been tough too because the point out in the documentary that she was switching labels quite often. Missy. Even says into an individual song might be licensed. Three or four different parties now because people have done other deals like Niki, Chins publishing handled by somebody else for north. America Stuff like that. But true in a way that was the hottest thing because we got fantastic access everyone we approached with one exception was happy to talk to us and night at work into the schedule because they all over who who looses role in new. The new has significant style happy that not to testify to that, and that was that I thought that would be the hot bit but not Alice and. Henry Winkler. Sherry John that was actually easy. Okinawa schedules that was not mad. I mean we checked John Jet and the schedule to threes, and then the irony was we ended up interviewing here onto her nobleman five minutes from my office. Trust. Units. And Alice to remember element at the at the venue. Funding that summer from the office. So we had some some good fortunate again through the benefit of having time where we eventually waited cameras. Enthusiasm and willingness to sort of participate is simply because they did recognize that suzy had been sort of unfairly marginalized in legacy kind of pushed aside and I think that's why they put their hand up and just said Yeah Wendy One us. It's price tight myself immensely because. We did think that was going to be a real challenge but it it wasn't that was the easy part. Well, I'm sure that the licensing couldn't have been a surprise to you as far as how difficult that was where the was anything that kind of shocked to you. As far as we thought, this was going to be the simple thing and then it ends up being the hard thing. We one thing was wanting to find an. Area that wasn't you know that everyone had had not saying you know that was. Lazy a lazy shake, one television version would have had. The number of innovative in. The number of salt. Cod Research that would be with I realized the Youtube Era Google era people I used to single material. They see a a low resolution computer in her looks like how you but they don't understand film. You've really got to try and get the original. So the best quality scans things like that clips from sites, unity appearances, or whatever the between about material from the seventies eighties a lot of that was disappeared and was lost. The BBC famously reused video types. You know that anyone Galileo that era just. Health, feature films TV movies though. Iraq Houghton stuff with this subject matter was you know that not the head that we? Company expected pause it was the other thing was at some point in the middle of the process started pitching the film when we're talking to Americans issue of Suzy's confused identity really came up i. had people tell me as we're looking at a fight of Suzie I had an American charity now that's jet and. I've been researching. US. And they're trying to tell me it's. Really. So that thing that Johnson, which we not prompt regina comment about people used to come up to me hey, you're not thinking housing happy dies pump that she she jeep at that. That's exactly what we experienced. Then we realized and I'm not just saying this we're talking to you now. I think two thirds of the way through the. Editing of the film changed the direction little bit. We felt like we will making film to North. Because we had history that needed to be rewritten corrected deputy I'm really important to me and. The track that she's from Detroit Notre Essex. Manchester from Detroit just makes it even more desiring long in Detroit is so important. You see in a special delays wherever we are whenever she's talking she's token about how how is is in Detroit? I was her family to deal with. Family are actually really lovely people assist as a lovely people to false I. Mean I really enjoyed their company and very willing to sit down and talk. It's interesting. Obviously the way they come across in the documentary because you know Italian American families are very vocal. It's a strange dynamic that's. To the outside, it may seem little abrasive or unsympathetic, but that's just really the dynamic of the family. And I guess we'll have different dynamics in each family. So to outside is we all probably look at? Whatever in that context I, understand Oh, I got some insight into that dynamic and Just, a very honest to focal Italian American family who took with the hands you know and I know that they've probably been a little. Taken aback I guess by the the reaction of the film and I know that there's a little. Attention with Suzanne assist is still to this day does exist and I'm not sure if that will ever be resolved I have no idea there but Just, a very honest family even when the camera's rolling it was that frankness that we really appreciate it. It's Nancy. Younger sister who says people often misinterpret what she says. This. I will never be fan this court trial and then she she qualified that by saying I love with you. Can She? What she's January things I'm not saying, Hey, can I be? We have a deeper different. Dynamic she's not being nasty. She's just being really honest. It was surprised to that women. I would still have this lingering. Resentment almost that sister had the success that you maybe that had really wanted as well. Never crossed their mind that this would still be. Clearly but now in reflection entirely it. Think a few people have mentioned out saying the film that were like, wow, I found that stuff with a really kind of sad and fascinating and she's I. Wish you kind of delve into that a bit more and I kinda thought well, I don't think may all tight one or two exploited that either you know obviously you WanNa talk about it and touch upon it and. Examine it but I think there was we wanted to pull back a little and not exploit. That will be to voyeuristic about it because it was a lot of trust involved in. Sitting down with them and talking about this and ultimately you know this is suzie story. Yeah. That was on an mind for first and foremost. Had we how do we handle that specific topic in the film? What's going to be so difficult for you guys to Take a woman who's had this long career this great life and try to condense that down into ninety minutes for a feature documentary I mean there are so many different routes go when it comes to your research and so many different things that you can choose to show were dot what was your original cut of this movie like and what are some of the things I always talk about how you kill your babies? You know what some of those babies that you had to kill on the way well, the future directors cut will be six hours long so. It was very difficult as we call it drowning. Nice poppies. Because no, in all honesty, you know it, it could be two hours long quite easily. We have our cut when it was more than you know more than a rough cut bit more than assembly and that was three hours and then we just. huntaway hundred. Why at that be well, what do we have to lose a supposed was a vision which was which lauded Millennia why through the eighties and nineties ending to the noughties And that we had to. Really. Compress so. We spent so much time on the early period because we felt gone back to what I saying about realize we had maybe redressed some history particularly in North America. We wanted to plant the seeds that the origin of the pleasure sake is in sixties and suzy's rise in the early seventies to cement sense of. She was I and I have people telling Y'all you. But what about hot and what about the runaways? Guys, it's just history as fact. You want me to fill deitz. So that's the on the other hand, we wanted to back that up, which is why we have that passage in the film we do reference a handful of other women going right back to like big number. Who Played Guitar for defining element was nothing singer being Playa Ruckman not pulp even guy slick way like it he'd be. Gypsum play like a band with electric guitars. And I love Cry Sleep. But. There's really. Janice. Consent. Comes in court. and. We just wanted to get a history right. But when you say on the phone wearing her best Sunday dress. She's Keith gone to church and she's playing that beautiful white Gibson S J and Clang filthiest dirtiest blues you gotta you gotTa have some respect for that. He's just extraordinary. Well, tell me a little bit of the history of the film because I know that it's it's shown in Australia and I'm curious where else at shown in what the reaction has been so far we permeated in Melbourne at the Melbourne International Film Festival I think back in August. Type. Yeah and their reaction from the get go was phenomenal to me. anyways. I was just taking it back by positively Reaction from people and then we took it to the UK Amid a cinema run there in the UK with a number of screenings and Then it went to Germany Italy am I right here? Yes Well, then it was festival. Forget what you went to that one in half and then is. Music type place in various places called. Ing Edit that was on buses Lana. Think also lot applied Madrid, and then we've done sales to Japan and adjust the film just Germany cinemas are up and on rate. Pasta. So obviously, like everyone every in the last six months, everything was disrupted including the American release American distributor had already back in March had twenty five CDs book Tina for Cinema Release Suzy was going to come I think those festival American premier was going to be at cinema in California that was about much. Susie was booked to calm just everything of course. been canceled it's already played in Holland. On television and Saul to numbers, you're paying countries in some ways is. Important. One. Way deportment. Have more resonance there, which is really curious to see how people we we save it. It's kind of like her career it looks like show. Never, won over here number one over here all these different places and it comes to American it's like didn't even chart so hopefully. We'll be able to crack the charts with this documentary. I think what's pleasing is with the initial Response from reviews and critics thus file with with North America is I was very apprehensive to how they would handle it how they would receive it whether they would understand it. Okay. Even but that particular reaction has been phenomenal in. Their view is actually understand what the film's about they understand the intent they actually understand that suzy's like has been marginalized in and criminally forgotten and and that it's time to celebrate her again and you know that requires me real hope that maybe we have sort of. Got It Rice Liam Tate so much time. This was a real pleasure talking to you guys know. Thank you. Judy. Nights. Woods. Thank you. We are back and talking about Suzie Q.. So I did have the question and I think I already got my answer as far as do you need to be Susie Fan to enjoy this movie I don't think any of us were suzy fans -sarily. Like I mean talking about fans earlier but I don't think we were like hardcore fans of susie before watching this film I think that you could sort of sigh of never heard her music. I don't particularly care for the music, but still find this film fascinating. That's really what a documentary nevermind. A music documentary should be able to do you coming not caring for the subject matter. I mean I know a Lotta people say that particularly like watching sport that some of the greatest documentaries that they've same sporting related films and I think the same should hold true with a really good music documentary realizing that. Type got this right I edited right and. Susie quattro is a fascinating musician. She's a fascinating person, and this is something they about this is a music career, but this the human side of this is. The scenario that she faced with her sisters in really need to be any soda music fantasy so to be able to relate to that. It's just the story of someone who believes that she should have made it bigger than she did this a quite early on. Maybe, the film way she says, it's important to be validated by the ones that you love the most that's universal, and that is to a large extent, the theme of the film. So the I definitely think that. Dominate to be a suzy courtrai fan. You need to know who she is said to sign it seems like a lot of Americans still died. I think anyone who just likes a well told story should be able to get into this I agree and I will say I i. Am not a Susie Quattro expert but I am definitely a fan enough of a fan that I do own a t shirt. That is true. I do have susie Quattro t shirt. But also even in New York City I can guarantee you plenty of people see that and it's it's definitely obscure thing to wear they don't go well cool suzy quattro shirt release most people. Don't, but I agree with you, I, think this documentary does one of the best things a music documentary can do, which is introduced people to something who may know nothing about it in your right that unfortunately she was never huge in the states and I hope that this film helps I hope in particular that young girls and young women see this because she deserves much more attention than she's got here and I think as an introduction of this movies have really really great start for anybody's interested. As. Soon, as he said, Morris, this film is an introduction to somebody that you might not know who she is in the best documentaries are the way that you might not know the subject manager matter. I immediately thought of Job Brian Ad, the documentary about Joe Brian the quote unquote the American Bowie I had no idea who Joe Brian was just a friend of mine Dion from Toronto who's been on the show before he recommended this documentary to me and he started to tell me a little bit but I was like, no, no, don't tell me too much and just I was exposed to this whole thing I had no idea who this person was and it just as absolutely fascinating story I would say the same thing for the Klaus Nomi documentary like I know a little Klaus Nomi as far as you know, lightning strikes cover of that and seeing him in something like Erga Music War. That's IT and so denault the entire or what they fit into the documentary that Klaus Nomi story like. Wow. So I agree like checking out documentaries about people who you may not know I mean. It's weird because if you think about any. Quote. Unquote regular documentary. Think about something like you know a three complete strangers it's like okay I don't know what the story is I'm going to walk in I'm GonNa see this and be fascinated by it. I don't know why we would necessarily only want to see music documentaries about people that we already know especially because if you're like me, you just sit and bitch about the things that they missed whereas with this I don't know what they missed that Isuzu's life because. I'm not a fan. So there could be whole chapters or it's like I really wish they would have covered when she did X. Y. and Z. But I'm too stupid to know that they're not doing that. So I sit in blissful little bubble and enjoy what I Susan Q. Because I was riveted the entire time on the very first episode of safe here there was Tim's choice and he picked highlighted the G G Allen Story. Now I didn't I didn't even know her jgl was at the time and I watched his documentary and musically that was not my singer Dole but the film was absolutely fascinating once again, a great story is a great story. told him yet like you say Mike I. Can't imagine why anyone would just sort of wants Iraq to stick with my bobble in I. Know this band so I want to watch documentary that there's nothing wrong with watching documentaries about musicians who you love of course, they often the things around at. Another a few years ago. My son. Max. Renton said to me I'm how you should watch this documentary metal. By the Canadian documentary in. Sam done and it was like a whole ten pot TV series in a case of the first few besides we're going to be at my alley. The ARGENTA metal in the early seventies metal but certainly as it goes through the I-IT's into the nineties and. Beyond. Musically definitely not my thing but if free second of that TV series so interesting and. It's not just about not knowing office. It can be a documentary about something you don't even necessarily care about. Once again, a great story is story, I want to thank my co host. Leeann what have you been up to during lockdown Sir I just finished editing feature documentary called the Big Johnson which is directed by a really fun woman who originally from Your New York named. Lola Rockin Roller That's currently in post production, but look for it hopefully in the near future also doing some pro bono editing for political organizations right now just to stay in shape and keep my sanity. And I'm very slowly working on my next my own documentary if you want to know more about who I am or what I've been up to lately, the best thing you can do is check out Leeann chase dot com even made a little bit of a splash got picked up by a couple online places for the new edit of bladerunner you did. You WanNa. Talk about crazy ideas that I never would have done. If I had absolutely nothing to do with my time that then accidentally became one of I mean in terms of numbers is probably one of the most successful things I've ever made. which is weird also learned that there are people out there who really really really don't like if you play around with their favorite movies. Well, I saw it and I loved it and I think having a Naven Johnson as one of the replicant a really good idea m morris how your projects going. That's the beautiful thing about podcasting is as you have Scott nothing changes during this avid buried so Yet. This much we got. The love that album base speaking to Asala who is the first? Manager of Fifth Convention. One of my listeners said look I'm a friend of his fellow to though well. Helmet Staple Convention toss infanticide. Put me in touch with them. will be recording that next week in. He's done a lot of other things that fit for related beyond his time managing them. So the interesting to get his perspective on what the? Comedic ingrained was like in the mid sixties in parallel to the rock and roll sane of of the time. He was Benny's pick this month and he's picked the film. I'd never even heard of always a big fan of watching seventies, Americans cinemas he had film would pay the founder in Susan Saint James Cope Outlaw Blues never even heard of it before. Looking, forward to getting a watching the same way that watch trailer and so looks like a maybe a country and Western version of the blues. Brother's these two is being chased every way by the COPS imbiber pisses off. Will Watch film in. See with that turns out to be the case I just have to ask do they is there a point where they have to play a soul bar? Watch. You know I'm keeping my fingers crossed will thank you so much guys for being on the show. Thanks everybody for listening. Please head on over to the website projection booth podcasts, dot com, or find out more about today's show. 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The Best Music Biopic Performances of all time

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The Best Music Biopic Performances of all time

"The music biopic is the new blockbuster film genre that everybody's all excited about but there have been movies and t._v. Shows and television movies as a matter of fact back with musicians as characters going back decades now. We're not talking about documentaries or musicians who liked to act meatloaf. This is a show about about actors who played musicians on the big and small screens and not just the actors put the characters and the movie themselves and we are going to be talking about the greatest just the great great great combine. We're times. Can i say great rock bioethics stick around while i say great a few more times you're listening to the lucchini rock and roll circus changing history one podcast at attack <music>. Welcome back everybody lucchini rock and roll circus. This is your face one more time. We're going to be talking about the great the greatest biopic of all time greats rock and music by of all time bio-pics harvey guys like to say it you say tomato. I say louie b. Six our website is lou dini rock and roll circus dot com check back off and tons of great podcasts there shout out to our affiliates classic rock class. What is it classic ninety two point three and rock ridge radio. We couldn't do this without your support. We really appreciate you guys. <hes> <hes> also anything oh shadow to wolves customs our our sponsor you can go to wolf's customs dot com get some great custom paintwork on your instruments so talk to chris wolf dotson. He's been a longtime fan and supporter lucchini rock and roll circus and we love him would all <hes> i'd seen as watching of clinton is he's watching chris. Thank you so much. Oh a share button quick guys before we get into tonight. Show picture that you hit the share button if you're listening to the replay if you're listening live with us on facebook share it wherever you like your own personal profile <hes> share it on whatever social media platform you like to sit that let's share button because this is how the world finds out about not just so much about the looting rock and roll circus but about the great bands play here speaking a great band tonight. We're going to be playing stone cold. Oh killer. I do know them very well. Great pittsburgh man lady beast dark entries and of course lew lombardi so we will get into all that music and everything. You're a little bit. We have the full power trio with us tonight so i'm really excited two weeks in a row like i don't know how to act sitting with me here. In the studio. Tonight is our resident rock custodian and queen of all things rock and roll little mislead vis vis six. What's up lily what's up. Mr stutters today a little. We just need to kick up the volume a little bit. I guess they'll more volume more volume but <hes> <hes> doing great. I went to photograph breaking benjamin on friday out at key bank pavilion alien which is still carl star lake for older people and that was a lot of fun. Don't think i ever wanna take photos from the pit there again though i don't think i like that photos from the i don't like that idea ever getting kicked in the face by things and yeah. I'm not a fan. It's very rush rush and i'm just going to do my own thing from knowledge brashear. He don't hate speech russia russia. What do we have there but the man behind the mirrored sunglasses to blues brother the joliet jake speaking to stray great from the grave or new tonight. 'cause we got juliet j. I touched some and <hes> we'll have to take a break fix later but so what's up juliet jake. How's it going down their knowledge rainy very rainy today and the two two two different kind of baiser. It's either ninety five degrees with a hundred in seventy five or training. There's no in between here. It's all you get this. Is it this in your case. You come back. I don't think that it was hot as hell when you career but it didn't rain yeah. I unfortunately know all right here iran. We got juliet jake in the house. We got little v. six. My name's lombardi aka lou dini <hes> guys. Please check us out on out in a private group. Afterwards we get a little bit crazy a little bit later on so you can go to lou. Lombardi rocks dot com and you'll get access access to our private group where we're gonna be talking about a totally different subject just to give you a heads up the release of the song enter enter sandman. This is the anniversary of when it first came out and so we're gonna be talking about that. I'm no so people hate enter sandman lily and some people like it's a cool song gave metallica their big break into into the pop mainstream so there's good and bad about that so we're going to be talking about that in a little a bit later on by up so guys get them all ready. We're we are live here for you guys tonight. Let us know which ones you wanna talk about. We had some you guys chime in on facebook this week so we're going to be talking about your picks as well but i'm really excited to play a band. I we're gonna start off with stone cold killer track from the album behind bars hell to pay on the lube genie rock and roll circus <music> it ah <music> yeah. I'm john <music> orange county yeah sir mm-hmm yeah <music> mm-hmm. The camera mm-hmm the stone cold killer. I love that name you guys you guys sit gold with that name stone cold killer dot com. Go check those bad boys out. Their shirts are pretty cold here. They got the neon thing going on. I have one almost word tonight yeah the i. I totally digging band. I don't know how i missed them. I don't know how i i think that that i had seen like the name popping up and social media but just never got around to like check out and the is it might a customer. Is that who you know my custom yeah. He sent me a thing saying that they're going to be doing a <hes>. A guns and roses tribute saturday saturday was already over yeah but in any case <hes> so. I'm sorry i didn't get a chance to go see it. What was working so that's so that brought you guys into my awareness fairness so you got played on the <hes> the world famous lou dini rock and roll circus so good for you guys <hes> bio-pics. We're going to go around to room <music> room going around the room. What are you drinking juliet. Jake julia child joliet atman juliet juliet runco in joliet. Are you the romeo of joliet the ten hardier juliet <hes> where's l. Would i'm drinking whisky brand old forester nice nice. I'm telling you tried. Oh man good. Kentucky bourbon actually read yeah i well. I got my knob creek so we are in full swing. Let's <hes> we'll start with jake. Would he got brother. You can't say the blues brothers. I one wrecks the whole reason i wanted to go to the movie. That's one of the greatest right if movies talk go ahead you. I want to do one or two. I think this guy that it did this movie in my opinion. This was the peak of his career. He you'll probably disagree with this. He did nothing good after two separate be weird but infused into buddy holly story. He was pretty awesome man. That's a fucking great. Fucking great movie emulated buddy holly and it's it's. I watched it on regular television was. It's not a t._v. Movie because i don't remember i remember seeing on t._v. I don't remember being in the movie theater things where you could probably be put it on t._v. Movie i don't know where it actually ashley origin came from but it's not that <hes> graphic that you could not put it on television so i mean but at the other nag a._b._c.'s career as really i don't know what he did after that that was good but that was his cynical but he was really really good movie and i think the buddy holly at a very short career but a very impactful career on the early stages of rock and roll and a met a tragic end but gary bucy's portrayal of him nailed it and i mean you take the jury into buddy holly's music and take down to watch his mannerisms rhythms and wade booked and gabe. You put you down man. He got that <hes> those a pinata penn would have really good landing so the dow too soon well to add to that <hes> that actually is one of the very rare <hes> movies that god one hundred percent on rotten tomatoes yes and <hes> it made a fourteen million dollars on a one million dollar budget. Mike profit <hes> great so yes. That's a good one. So was the release yes i. I didn't want to <music>. When was it really bad. I didn't know i did i lied. I did write it. Give me a second. I nine hundred seventy eight okay. I thought it was a seven because it was before. I would have been about let ten eleven years old he only movie. I've seen in the theater deblum star wars so i was negative to yes. Oh you're negative too so i wasn't <hes>. I wasn't really aware of much that was going on with movies. Probably that time so yeah. I did see i did see on television. We were to a friend's house. My friends ends my parents. I was bored out of my mind did like little kids that i couldn't play with and so i was in a room in the t._v. Room watching and that came on and i was absolutely riveted by it at ten year ten eleven years old so so if you know if you could get a kid you know must must must have something going on. So what do you got. What do you got on your. I do have a t._v. Movie that i put on here i think it's the only one i put on here. It's elvis a- portrayed by kurt russell which i mean he's really an amazing all of us impersonator. He's he's. It could be him if he didn't know anybody could definitely be him. <hes> this like i said it was a tv movie in nineteen seventy nine covered the rise in a <hes> rise of musical as legend elvis presley however it stopped in the nineteen thousand nine hundred seventy so it doesn't go any further than that doesn't it doesn't go into his death or anything talks about his parents. His kurt russell's dad actually played vernon presley in the moving me and it originally aired on a._b._c. and <hes> against gone with the wind and one flew over the cuckoo's nest beat both of those out because you know they play those like once a year. Everybody can wash sixteen hour freakin. Go wait a minute so what was the movie was called elvis elvis which is called l. okay and i remember the kurt russell was in a movie and it was about elvis and i'd seen it but i the house called elvis and a fun fact cursor also played elvis and forrest gump. That was him yes he he did that. He's also so isn't he. In the one with the three guys in the name of that thank roberts or something with kevin costner and christie criss christian slater all three of them play and kurt russell. I believe is in that as well so he just can't get away. He's just elvis. He just is very good as offices in new york when he played snake elvis. Oh and that's john carpenter film to it is cool. Watch move could say the second. One cirque wanted to call classic but i grant okay so do do you guys want me to say one yeah. We tear our thoenes. Okay you sure war can i am. I allowed to talk. I ever allow me to talk on this thing that such b. s. You always talk language. I'm gonna get on up. This is produced by mick jagger and it's the story of james brown and it is absolutely why. I don't know if it's a good movie or not but it's it's hilarious. It's wildly entertaining and i i don't know james brown at half the shit like he lived just like insane life and it shows the good and the bad so off. I liked it. It was released a few years ago. Twenty fourteen was wasn't real old but yeah yeah the opening scene where he's about having to take a shit. It's it's. It's just like what that that's how sardines bronson i'm. Tom has is unbelievable. All that like very like true in that movie i mean it's not not only did he was a hardworking man in show business and would fire his band on on a whim and replace them with other members and you know dot com for being five seconds later but he also blue you know shot a shotgun through a detailing bathroom one of his buildings and he had standoff off with the police and i mean dana brown. Was you know a funk legend but at the same time he was the you got a little crazy or dan there but chadwick bozeman is actor and he did a fantastic job. I thought you were saying you didn't like it. Okay no it's great yeah. I thought it was really fun movie. Definitely it will definitely make my top ten list. I i think he's a he's a really good actor. I think he definitely because that's not something you can just like kind of bullshit your way through you gotta get that all. His dance moves down. You've got to get hit the voice. That was definitely different. I mean yes. He mumbled a lot of times. I mean look at his lyric. You know he's only only got to make the lyric so i mean you know where you're going to but just l. all the nail. All that shit is like that's pretty impressive yeah. I am really fun if you've never seen it. It's definitely worth a watch so it's a good time. It's just like a it's really there's some heavier moments in it but but it's just it's just like you know. One of those like you know. Sort of truth is stranger than fiction kind of stories like he lived a crazy life. He was it was maniac in a good way then bad ways and but good about your turn domain from kick ass music <hes> what am i going to do now. I'm gonna say that <hes>. I'm a man of this ban but this guy nailed this <hes> bell kilmer jim morrison and the doors is pretty pretty kick ass <hes> it made me actually want to watch the movie oliver stone directed who that's you know no slouch himself but let only was <hes> bell kilmer turned himself into the emotion with all like pretty sure he sang some of the parts in rim dirt flitted saying that he couldn't tell the two abortions when they were doing the movie where they would do the summer jim stop and then bow and do his own vocals new said it was pretty damn close but i think that only the only did val kilmer do a great job that movie also think that is supporting cast the rest of the doors the kevin dillon the clock ones <hes>. They did a really good job or some funny shit. There's some funny dialogue between the band members. That was pretty memorable argentina that were watch the movie where pretty good but yeah he now. He nailed that. I mean if you're going to do a study and you know legendary musician like that sanger will <hes> we'll give him the two thumbs up for in my campaign so very good job that one on my list is well. I also read though that it. The bandmates and friends and family did not like that movie because of how poorly jim morrison was portrayed but i mean isn't it all true so <hes> came out in nineteen ninety-one made thirty four million on thirty eight million dollar budget so it lost money lost money still classic still great music whatever it lost made up in home video and licensing sensing to places like netflix everybody in music watches. I own it i haven't i it's a good movie to of get stoned to watch and kind of like you know imagine. You're back in the sixties. You know trip and hard goodson good time. It's a really good time we you got low talk about the movie the runaways and dakota fanning sherry curie. I think she did a great job in the movie portraying cherie she you did like the whole dancing the dressing she like even <hes> sharing herself loved dakota fanning kristen stewart on the other hand. I don't think did a great job as jones because i'm sorry that girl acts the same way in every movie she's bores me to death but they came out in two thousand ten it sort of was based on suri's book so it was kinda in a biased <hes> the book was neon angel the formation my band played. I don't know who plays him. Yeah isn't michael shannon on and he's he's one of those guys is like not a killer for big hollywood star but he he's like even if the movie isn't very good like he was in bug and that's a kind of a movie but he's like really good and it like you know. He's like lance henriksen who could be in a good even the move. The movie sucks like he's good like he. He like puts. His balls falls into. It is ball's god. I'm sorry <hes> it it talks about the band from nineteen seventy five until sri finally left the band. It only only made four point seven million on a ten million dollar budget. <hes> got mostly favorable reviews though and <hes> curie herself didn't really like it because she said a lot of her book was left out. Yeah okay so we're gonna take your book and make like a seven hour movie right but overall. I did like at other than kristen sewer being enjoy. It and i really really thought it was going to be great with her is jammed up but i just wasn't my favorite however she did a great job. Kristen stewart is not considered like a a lot of people. She gets a lotta shit about her acting. She's super buying and quite frankly. I haven't seen her. I have that may be the only movie i've ever seen her in really so so to me. It was okay like i didn't think one way or another about it because i don't know she's in that twilight stuff. I don't watch that watch adventure land about kennywood mike. It's the same acting actress that okay. I'm not here to defend. I don't know anything like i said i'm not. A clad did a movie. I think she became like she did a lot of the joan jett like that bending over playing the guitar kind of thing where it's like almost plays the car. Frigging hunchbacked is some points. I mean if you're watching joan. Jett play guitar chas hunched over kind of like posture when she does that. I mean three curry can do was she wants but joan jett went onto hub frigging way better career girls and i think christmas kind of i'm not saying she's a great actress but in that movie i think that was her best portrayal of you know a character because anything else she does is pretty much flat line. She just does the same thing over whenever again but i mean that worked in her favour because of her acting but it's just that's exactly what i see in every movie she's not. She's not a good accuracy on ed wage. Wherever i think of that movie she actually did coffee joan jett five and because of funding was good but i think crystal toured actually in my opinion but and i don't even know the girl oh to play lead afford into drummer nudity does and guess what lead afford the other girl is mad <laughter>. I couldn't even have been which i'm pretty good with trivia shit. I couldn't tell you the drumming and runaways was <hes>. I'm gonna pick one. I'm looking at this <hes> discover music. <hes> you discover music dot com and this one i do not. I believe on the list but i can't believe <hes> but it's cadillac cal cadillac records but i have it. That is is a i. I liked that movie. I love most deaths <hes> portrayal of chuck berry tickets brilliant. I think he's got that whole. He's got he he d in my opinion. He is is chuck berry. <hes> everybody i think in that movie did a great job and i felt that really kind of puts you in the space of that chess records this formation and those artists and what they went through it is not <hes> the most edgy of all the movies i mean you look at some you look at a movie like bird which is a really but that's a clint eastwood movie so that's gonna be a way deeper kind of film. It's there's a lot of people kind of maybe thought this was kind of superficial or whatever but i thought it was kind of like fitting tribute to what happened to you know those artists listen how they got there sort of like break with chess records of anybody who wants to comment on that or not i didn't get to see it yet. Actually helped touchdown cadillac records on my list and instead of having like a specific actor or actress on put the entire castles brilliant because they were all great in that movie. You've got to give say man you gotta give that do you was at a <hes>. A steph was amazing that movie jeffrey wright as muddy waters was off. My remember cavs playoff played hauling but he was great. He had the deep voice in this little walter's character. I played willie dixon. You've really famous dude <hes> that was <hes> cedric the entertainer actor yeah except i don't think anybody really i mean they all stand out. All you can really point a finger and say well. That girl kicks ass. They all like you'll that movie and it's really it's a great flick. I mean i've watched that movie <hes> times yeah i think that i could watch it again and again and again because it just shows yet children early period of rock and roll that you know just by the way we have a really good topic. I think for future podcasts. We'll talk about that a little bit later. We need to take a break in play band. This lady beast vicious breed on the dini rock and service doc in the it took uh-huh. Thank you albert kevin sharp the the raise sweden yeah in her <music> the lady beast then he be sta ah vicious bree yes not to be confused with night breed. <hes> vicious breed lady beast and let's give it a little bit of lady beasts. You can go to lady. Beasts dot band camp dot com and you can get all your lebed needs met right there. Lady be stuck band camp dot com. Have you hit the share button latin already shame on you hit. The share button hit that share button of not share c. h. E. r. share s. h. A. a. r. e. okay with. Let's get that let's correct. There is no that'd be great. That'd be hilarious so if one day facebook just like an april fools joke had a share button shares facing race. Just be funny and goofy and hey want to support what we're doing. You know you could go to patriotic. I'm trine dot com backslash. Lou lombardi throws a buck five bucks. Whatever if you if you joined to fifteen dollar level. We'll give your own spot on this show. I they wanna try. That's all i'm saying okay. We are talking about. Bioethics and we've had some good ones so far. I mean i ah you guys know of any that are like really terrible before we move on. I am almost all the ones. I've seen have been at least pretty good that bird the bird. You were talking talking about charlie parker. That was awful then really. I didn't like it at all. I liked it. Another one was the one that i would put he's a great actor but don cheadle and miles away what the one miles davis that i did not see. I don't know man i mean. He does a great job job. He's a good actor. He just can't you can't polish third man. I dunno one if i watch it again. It just seemed that i know a lot of people basically wasn't factually correct a lot of times for me. I don't i don't know mile. There's one that was i was pretty weak to about. Jimi hendrix was on it was a netflix original and with that one went andre benjamin yeah a little like here's how here's how cheap it was hendra hendro. Everybody knows jimi hendrix strat fender stratocaster they head and walking around with some like sam amick or like some like off brando. Completely wrong wasn't even made at that time. I did want to see that now. I'll still watch it. It's stop. It bothered me like it was just like really what is good get fender to like. It made me think that like the movie there was so little faith place in the movie that even fender guitars wasn't willing to like. Mike have their name attached to it. They're like nah yeah. You know. I i did wanna see that when i what's that one wants and i don't even think i made the whole thing. Another one that you probably disagree with the dart was shit. I love i love the do next on my list times frigging acting in adage just that fucking better act inform. It didn't bother me i was i thought it was such a fun story and i really believe those guys were motley. Crue 'cause i would imagine motley crue being dislike that there's two actors and at that did very well. I think so go ahead lily. You are the dirt clean. So why don't you talk about the dirt so as we know we know what key thinks as much as i didn't let i really wanted to hate the dirt. I actually really did because they thought they were going to botch it to death but machine gun kelly as tommy lee did a fantastic job and tony cavallero as ozzy osbourne did a fantastic mystic job and that's who i that's the reason i liked the movie i know tony was only in it for a little bit but he did a really he did as good. I think <hes> obviously it's the twenty nine hundred zero drama film about the global ban motley crew <hes> went to st to net flicks. It actually was to be like they talked about making this phone back in two thousand six and <hes> paramount <hes> about the rights and m._t._v. films about the rights and they finally dropped it for netflix to purchase the rights in two thousand seventeen and i don't know doesn't completely cover everything about the book but what it does cover they did it correctly so and and the two the two actors i mentioned machine gun kelly and cavallero <hes> i just. I just think they did a great job. As far as the other guys those are their net flicks pool of actors. They're in a lot of netflix movie yeah so that's why they didn't do such great jobs. I don't think but got out of five stars course and rolling stone <music> said oh what alone then okay good okay rolling stones on the game two out of five what's half half right. Let's see but <hes> newsday satisfying foul mouth whirlwind ride through one of the last great arizona rock history when wretched excess as-as part of the job description and bad behavior was a badge of honor so i think i just personally just wants. Throw my two cents and i think right right keith. The acting was like yeah you know. Wasn't you know wasn't that the story itself is fun and van. I i think i think a lot of hate for that. Movie comes from the fact of the world. We live in today with everybody's ass is so fucking tight and so everybody is offended at the drop of a fucking at and if you think these rockstar these guys you liked these you know politically correct. Oh you know alternative ours are aren't banging tons of chicks and doing tons of fucking drugs. You are d- fuck in looted okay all right just this bug just because they're not wear leather pants and have big hair doesn't mean that they aren't partying their asses off and have a good time okay so just just just chilling that so i have one i would like to throw out at you guys and i don't know if it's probably on anybody's list. This was not a really big popular movie. I think it was a t._v. Movie but it was a movie about the beach boys. I believe it was called love and mercy and actors your throw out so yeah mm-hmm or was it summer dreams club emerged mercy okay <hes> yeah i huge beach boys fan and and that was my introduction to rock music was my mother had these beach had the beach boys greatest hits and it was something about it wasn't endless summer but it was something everything that they did but summer in it and i played that record over and over my favorite was a little honda <hes> so yeah and i thought it was <hes> really kind of showcase their especially brian wilson's artistry and you know they'd have the tragedy and had had all the ups and downs with everything that everybody went through so. I'm just putting that out there. That's that's on my list. Who's next keith you next follow up on that by by saying that i think you have not one but two actors and after you have the young brian wilson played by paul dottino or dan i think it is it's great actor and john cusak plays the i'm gonna go crazy brian wilson <hes> but in the latter year but as to a lot of credit and i think that obviously obviously focused on the band but it should focus more brian wilson because brian wilson is to be with him sorry supporters they were up. They were the live band. They were the kind of like good-looking surfer guys those face was on the thing but and they but they did saying but the ball yet the band was what are they called the roofing crew. That was really the band. Dennis wilson was drummer for to beat way for a reason all of his brother but he was better looking than everybody in the band. They put him back on drums and sit here. Just like you take a a frigging wasn't a good drummer so i mean maybe he played on any studios up most of them not all of his how blame yes how and a third of dragging the girls and whatever works for you dentist you know but don't work for me but anyway before we go much farther would. What's the audience saying tonight. Little who's listening. Let's give our shot outside. The good folks at home. <hes> we got chris thunder with watching <hes> the henry kelsey snooty heemskerk justin bishop he also calls it start lake diana twins earl all the pearls watching and he was at the g and our show saturday was killer mark bradley davis tim dover spike land campbell's campbell's watching henry kelsey said george strait and pure country okay. I don't know that he'll he'll earl. The pearl joaquin gene phoenix johnny cash walk the line which is definitely on my list. <hes> tuck shepherds watching <hes> tracy samson is watching reds and webster's watching sean marx's watching henry kelsey disagrees with them g. m. g. k. being a good tommy. I honestly i think you just don't like machine gun kelly because and what i'm reading here. I'm not gonna read the whole thing. You just hate machine gun kelly and i get it. I hate him too but i think he's a great saami jamie foxx charles and ray by diana's. That's when she thinks that's a good movie which i have not seen so i could not put it on my list okay. So what are we talking about. Next keith was up next with he got keefe. I'm gonna go speakers straighten trading in the country. I'm going to go a little bit country to if you don't mind go a little bit but just a well done. Movie sissy space in co author is a fucking mail ten out of ten even loretta lynn handpicked. Our role is in a two and loretta. Lynn is a country music. Nick legend <hes> juicy spacex is a frigging oscar award-winning and killer actress. Oh what a win win for everybody. She had that shit so down that i think i mean the jimmy fox's ray. I'm gonna bring up food bright one of the better ones i've ever seen where they actually become that person. Just jimmy boss was that good sissy spacek as loretta lynn was at was that good as you know in that role as it's amazing she had all that like unfortunately by anyone out there that gonna redneck stupidity humidity and that she had she had that <hes> innocence then the like this country girl naievety ethical arrhythmic but anyway so same trying to be a little nicer but yeah that's she had that should nailed man. I mean wow that's that's. That's a great a great flick. I mean obviously it's from a little bit back in the day at this point but <hes> you'll stand up i i watched it recently recently dude. It's awesome grabby. Lee jones is great in an east great and everything but i mean there is just some really good. Just moments in that movie were she's having like some serious issues. Beverly the angelo is patsy kline and you know then another meets another tragic and she's really really good in that movie. I mean sometimes. I mean the supporting cast a lot is lost due to the fact that a movie about loretta lynn but there's some really good for trails in that movie other than just basic but she is she was loretta lynn and a movie like i said i read that loretta. Lynn handpicked for that role. They were doing the topic boehner. What does that tell you okay all right so <hes> lily girl. I'm gonna go newer since we're running out of time here. I'm go with a bohemian rhapsody ramey. Malik playing freddie mercury <hes> came out in two thousand eighteen is everyone knows it's super new <hes> about the lead singer of queen. I mean i think ramey was wonderful. I think he emulated him super well. They did great makeup on him to make him look like him mm he just i mean it was very convincing. Follows the life from the band up to the nineteen from the beginning of the band to the nineteen eighty five live aid performance events which of course that made me tear up a little bit as some music movies do <hes> brian may and roger taylor served as consultants to the film so they were totally okay with it however did that sasha baron cohen was supposed to be he'd be. He's been trying to get a movie about freddie mercury made for like ten years. I would've hated it. I cannot stand him. I think it would have been awful. Call started formulate. He was really he he'd gotten a little older and his looks and stuff weren't gonna quit. It was announced originally in two thousand ten. I just think the well may lex performance and the music secrets has received high praise <hes> did receive criticism for inaccuracies but you know what they were trying to put it in the movie palm down but it did gross over nine hundred three million dollars worldwide on a fifty million dollar budget and is the sixth highest grossing film of two thousand eighteen eighteen. It's a fantastic and if they'll just for the live aid thing alone that whole sequence go to the movie we've theater. You don't have the extra big screen. Sit close and you feel like you're at live aid. You'll get goosebumps. I mean the guy i had tears in my eyes. I'd goosebumps. I was like this is unreal. It was beautiful. I loved every second of that me. Absolutely you want to add anything to that keith. It's a brilliant fucking movie. He was really. I mean that's all well. It's definitely one of my top five favorite rock bands of all time <hes> pretty mercury's. My favorite mailbox was the whole time as a rock book. Let's go. He is the enemy of what a rock singer should be. A man is just amazing and add role <hes>. I don't know what else to say a man other than a <hes>. It's just a it's a great flick and it's just like i said might be accuracy is in the movie but who gives us hope. I'm going to throw one out and i know it's going to be controversial because we have not nobody i. I'm looking at our list here. Maybe i'm wrong but i don't think we've talked about a fictional channel. No characters movies yet and i know you wanna talk about the blues brothers but i'm gonna throw one out because this movie came out and i missed it. I never saw it until until about a week ago. If you say something like that you should have seen already. I'm going to say and i was. I was wildly entertained by this. I think it's a superfund superfund and it's a kind of tongue in cheek look at -biotics and it only has a certain kind of humor that not everybody's going to seriously asli walk hard on on my list. Get out of here with that you did. It's funny that it is a funny movie i did. I'm not like it. I mean it's way over the top kind of the comedy. I think a lot of women wouldn't get it. I mean i like john c reilly. I love him. I hated movie. I was hoping to love it. I mean that movie tries to be like i mean in the series rodney knobs one impersonal not mentioned that we didn't mention phoenix joining cash. That's a brilliant brilliant precarious career yet either so you know other one. I mean we're not gonna have time off at me. Not these less urges. They could go on forever. Gary oldman vicious you know and said nancy now that you could go on and on and on <hes> people people were talking before about <hes> do the ones that are like like almost famous or russell hammond and all of those guys i would be on other fictional the ones that would be on my list yeah. Yes i mean there's some great shit that was you know want to go as far as saying danny bona due to that's up to you but i mean family family yeah. That's really good one that are just we just don't have time to do them all but i mean the great ones are the ones we've named the main of another. One is the madama phillips's richie allen yeah. He's on my list. La bother my listeners rather lengthy this week. Yeah i had like about fifteen that were just. I knew we were not going to do them all. It's just it's just one of those things where there are so many great movies made i never there's a few that i would like to see. I didn't see the rocket man movie i don't. I don't know the cat's name. It does tearing taron egerton. He's that's my number. One favorite kingsman and this is something kind of funny. Did you see kingsman now. Did you see kingsman did not kingsman in his own sort of like a war light-hearted <hes> james bond movie all right and they did a sequel called golden circle which is a total piece of shit however this is really weird in golden circle. One of the plot points is this evil. Golden circle has kidnapped elton john which and taron egerton egerton is the star of the yester- rescue you out and john so often sort of watching the movie the show the characters office and there's like national enquirer thing hanging upset elton and missing and i thought oh that's weird and then and elton john is actually in the movie. Oh that's cool you know and i mean that's the only thing that's kind of of interest in the film. It's totally dumb it. Does i mean the got batteries. I it's a total piece of shit but i just thought it was like okay. Maybe that's where they came up with the idea tim baheren would play elton and i don't know it just kind of alan. Jones has a pretty good sense of humor ever seen a movie bruno. The ending credits up about anal bleaching the reason. I hate sasha baron cohen. That is the reason why they're <unk>. Baritone wasn't there wasn't a do buying raises this part of work with and be. I think pretty murky might have been five ten. Maybe sasha baron cohen fucking six four. Oh what is gonna look like but but i mean yeah i mean i think things i've read an article hard to deal with and they just kind of locked out. I mean they don't know any other thing other than what is it. Mister robot that mister malik was but you know well. He was in native museum to the original bruno. Bruno bruno were kazakhstan dumb. That's what were called don. I'm sorry to say that that's one of my favorite neighbor quebec. That movie is all down fisher frigging pants. I laughed my ass off but i felt a little bit bad. When i found out that he really punked all those people like and then he had to go back and get their permission to use it in a film but what you're seeing on the screen. Is there real reactions. They don't know that this guy's crazy movie and then i thought i afterwards i went back. I kind of felt a little weird like like that was a little questionable instable but i laughed and thought bruno's one of those movies like you either laugh or you go like this is fucking disgusting watching after the penis spoke zayn. It's just i wanted to leave you. Just gotta like can you take it out. Can't you after african wrestling mat on the bed and you're gonna laugh. I'm peter i almost fell out man. God okay. We can talk about about this shit all day. We need to kind of start raining. <hes> stuff in your let me i need to do one thing. I never got the shirts garretson so let's go i need to go to. I need to go to hero okay. We got a bunch of folks. The chimed signed in this week and i just want to shout guys can't mention all your movies okay dave holiday. Thank you talked about <hes> richie. Here's a new york do something with the new york dolls movie about that. Many there was a little series on h._b._o. Called vinyl which was awesome. Tom feely really talked about the ruttles. Which is we're not talking about mockumentary spinal tap and the ruttles but thank you for chiming and sky harding dan. Oh and i believe you guys got in on this. He talked about the gary busey story. I mean the k._a._b._c.'s. The buddy holly serve gary busey. John fox talks about <hes> <hes>. Tom hulce's portrayal of mozart and gary oldman's portrayal of beethoven which aren't really rock but i think those were cool movie. I liked amadeus. It didn't see the other one so just a shout out to some of those. Some other people chimed in to real quick. I believe cody gray ron pool <hes> <hes> tim johnson oh we did not mention and because we we throw out a few physics fictional people there we should throw lot <hes> michael pair as <hes> from the cruise eddie wilson any adding the cruisers cruisers. I love that yeah. I haven't soundtrack to i i have both both both one and two on blu ray <hes> fund movies. If you're a rock fan. It's kind of a cool kind of thing i any closing any parting shots is closing comments before we wrap up today. Show keith hawkins shut up about one and was really good. Angela bassett student turnaround with love. You been laurence fishburne as i don't care. I want my name want my day. Both hated that movie. Yeah well that that that's crazy because that movie up was well the data that movie really all right well. I cates hates everything well. He takes his whole life but i i so okay so <hes>. Is that the only thing you want to say anything else before. We wrap up now i just i wanna give a shout out to anybody. That <hes> likes to hear me talk well. You got two of us here so it gives me reason to live on and all right brother lily v six would he got before we roll out of here. I just listened to my show hotlinks lily six thursdays at six p._m. Eastern robbery radio dot com or download the free app rock radio and i will be at the goo goo dolls on friday in new york so i'll be going to live with that. Oh it's like the new york goo goo dolls. Oh wait and i'll be a bang tango and faster pussycat on thursday. Here was faster specifically for avon johnson. Let's be real. Are you done sexual fantasies. Yes what we're talking about. Lily's sexual fantasies in america to lombardy rocks dot com and get in on the the <hes> after party. Make sure you bring your own booze. We do not supply alcohol. That will be legal. Ludi rock and roll circus dot com is our website tons of great eight content there guys you definitely if you're fan of great guitar driven rock you wanna check it out. Special shout out to our affiliates rock radio and classic ninety two point three guys are the greatest thank you so much for being excited about great guitar driven rock and about the lou dini rock and roll circus like what you heard tonight you enjoy what we're doing. You believe in the music that we're playing here you love bands like lady beast stone cold killer and and and the like that police leased <hes> hit us up on patriot patriot dot com backslash lombardi guys that is it. We're going to rock out. I'm gonna i gonna rocket who we got play one more. We got one more. We're gonna play. Let me take it might take a look. Oh okay <hes> dark. Entries guys have mickey hernandez. <hes> been a <hes> a supporter of the show for a long time and we'd love those guys l. a. and so we're going to wrap up with those guys creatures of the night dark entries on the and and don't forget what happened to oh everything just kind of lost everything we pooped out. 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The Way Station  Episode 65 Quarantine Watch List pt 2

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The Way Station Episode 65 Quarantine Watch List pt 2

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. Www DOT past detroit dot com before information. Welcome to the way station to ensure travelers safety and comfort. Please deposit your baggage at the door. The waystation encourages open session. All stories are also accepted Russia. The journey vice. Enjoy your stay and please come again. Welcome back to the station and me and my trustee sidekick had Lou. I'm Stephanie. That's Dave and we're here for part two of what you should be doing sanitation yourself while in quarantine but before we get into that breaking news. It's breaking news right now. Won't be winless air. Cherry capital COMECON has postponed. They have locked down a new day. And guess what it is. What is it how lean weekend shut up the thirty s thirty first in the first? So I'M GONNA be in traverse city for Halloween. I've excited about that. I'm super bombed but actuate that long before is legit my favorites and I look forward to at every single year. So there's a part of that sad but they came out with a date. They already have books and Italian. Rica. I mean well and so in. We just talked about this like to me. So that's a solid definition of the word postponed like they have their date locked in. They're all good to go. You know as opposed to more motor city which is sort of like an open ended might happen. This year might not happen till next year. Who knows kind of thing well? And there's a big difference between the two conventions see for is much smaller over sure you know and so. I think that they feel a little bit more competent. Saying Okay we can have this amount of people here in this area at this time it should be okay as opposed to motor city. We who knows when they're GONNA LET GATHERING STAT. Large half true well and see four is one of those kinds that you taught me about year after year after year. I mean I may. This may be the year I had to get my ass up there because God knows I'll be suffering from con withdrawal now and this convention. I can't sneak Ullivan Enough Mike Accurately Rob Humphreys. These guys put together. This incredible Convention Kareem as Loud Ski. hats they they put on the show everybody's treated like family and thereafter parties are the after parties people actually show up to because the FBI as opposed to the the usual the official party. Nobody goes to to those concentrated goes to those. But everybody shows up for this even if it's just a pop in for a few minutes and then go to bed like everybody that so if you ever want to attend convention in Traverse City Michigan go while I mean. I think it's the only one that I see for Jerry Capital COMECON. You will not regret. It might be the only condit's not involving either wine or fudge. Give me a lot of free wine. That's not centered around wine. It's not I mean Nydia but anyway I just wanted to share that I just thought on facebook and like I my eyes started tearing up and then I saw that. They had scheduled for Halloween weekend. And I got excited so yeah no Sadd's for me today. It's a whole new layer of the Qasr play competitions. I believe Oh my Gosh I'm GONNA have to up my game like I always If you've seen the convention I have that's the best version of me. Let's put it that way. If I dress like that and look like that every day I would but it's too much work. It takes a lot of work. Yeah so I don't do it but on like I'm going to lake up to not be. Let's let's be honest. That's one of the reasons why this is still just audio only and not video because I was pretty good today you absolu- but like who wants to who wants to put in the effort to record a bucket. I washed my face. I put moisturizer on and then I put this speed. Ask Unicorn Braid my hair. That's all they did But anyway let's get back to discussing how to entertain yourself while you're in court. I have I made a list actually Since we recorded the last one to make sure that I touched on the most important things that I think people check out. Okay oh I just watched a movie on. Hbo The other night called Level Sixteen. I've heard a lot about that one. I've never heard of it okay. I think he came out like last year. Yup and it's about these girls that are being raised in this weird ass boarding school and I don't WanNa tell you anything else. But if you're into like destroyed in creepy nece like you you're GonNa like this so is it. I mean just based on each side I mean is it something akin to Oh God why am I blanking on the name I totally just bring cramped The it'll come back to it. Will I trust I trust in that? I know I it was mother movies I re I found while scrolling through trying to find movies and I read the description. I'm like Oh this sounds like it could be cool. I watched the preview. And I'm like okay. What's pretty cool? And it was pretty cool so random. Drop their a for me anyway. The handmaid's tale. That's what was thinking of. Yeah I would say. It has some similarities. Okay yes and no wolf. I'll just put it that way. I don't WanNa ruin anything. Okay if you're looking for a good movie level sixteen. Hbo If you have it not everybody has hbo snowing and as we talk about. Just 'cause since this is another episode Hbo Max's launching And they're launching with their first You're I five hundred hours of viewing is free so this could be one of those you check. Absolutely if I could be worth your time in my opinion. Okay so there is. I'M GONNA go with the couple of things on. Hulu that I am that I've been into so there's a show called DABS. It's an affect show. D. E. V. S. and it's a science fiction show and it starts with this way permit girlfriend are working for this company and they work in software and coating and the boyfriend gets promoted because he's so often he gets promoted to the depths team which is a separate building. It is crazy looking. He doesn't even know what they do. There nobody knows what they do. They're accepted the people. The one guy who runs it which is played by Nick Offerman from parks and REC? And so he ends up getting killed. Okay the explanation they give her is not sufficient enough for what she thinks is feasible and so she goes digging in to find out. Why how when like what happened to him very good? I'm on Episode two so. I'm not too far in but it's very interesting. If you're in billick science fiction stuff some curious did you ever see the movie and it was early two thousands. I want to say maybe one or two called antitrust Because that's sounds very sound similar ish I guess there is a similarity At least as far I've gotten in judgment but this this is a very it is the way that it's films and lake a lot of the the actual shots like how they're doing. It's theory weird so I told you the guy that's one of those already. Have in my watch list. I just haven't dove into yet. Yes so far like I'm still all in. Nothing has happened making me go. I don't WanNa Watch those anymore Again only on episode to a you know just a role in that out there also on Hulu. There is the end of the dark series which is at one house which does a lot of horror movies. They come out with a horror movie. That's exclusive to who some of them are trash. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. Some of them are good. Some of them are really good so I would say go and look into all release. They've been doing it for a year. Now over a one was in one of whose main categories now like when you load them up like one of the one of the main categories across the top is horror. They've they've actually been doing. Really good about classifying their stuff lately in that kind of stuff and it's it's pretty cool so you check out. The end of the dark movies are a couple of my favorite's actually let me let me do a quick. I'm just GonNa let these utterly quick 'cause I've been watching them every month since they came out. It's been a lot of months. I'm just googling at well. And so for what? It's worth also on who who Much like net flicks They're both stepping up their documentary games. So for what? It's worth if you're in too late. Eighties music and sort of the punk scene at all. Joan Jett They did a great one called bad reputation. And obviously if you're into Joan Jett you know that's one of Pop's popular songs you know. Don't give a damn that my bad reputation And it is so good. There are things in there that like I didn't know And people have mocked me for pointing out that no this. I didn't know that like Joan. Jett basically like discovered the ramones. And just you know what a powerful powerful figures. She's been behind the scenes with like getting women into the music industry in that kind of stuff. So it's been it's it's a phenomenal watch if you haven't seen it yet. Yeah absolutely sounds sons. Something I've definitely the into and I know I saw I saw it but I didn't actually watch it. You know super good. That's the problem. Jesus fire they not okay. So there's two seasons of into the dark their full length movies they call them seasons. But there's like twelve. There's one each month. The the most recent one that I watched is called crawlers. Came out marched. Well it's an interesting take. It's like an alien slash St Patrick's Day Lash like jazz. It was enjoyable. It was weird but it was enjoyable so just look through those. There are several that are really good. There's a couple that were like but whatever and then also on the lose is shrill which is such a good series. It really really. Is that in doll. Face are phenomenal? Doubt this was okay. I didn't hate it and I didn't love it. It was it was like. That's just my personal opinion just sharing at you're allowed to have them troll for me. Hit a like a lot with me. Personally you know. Eighty Brian Star. She is just so fucking amazing in this show. I loved her forever. Snl seeing her kind of branch out and yes. She's funny on the show but it deals with a lot of very serious issues that The body body sense and all that kind of stuff. It's phenomenal great show. I think I've told you. I wish it wasn't quite as racy as it was because I would love to let my twelve year. Old Daughter Watch it. It's the show that I needed like forever ago. It's the show that would have maybe knock some sense into my crazy. Had that would have done it really. I think it might have. I found it very Cathartic as an adult to watch the show and the characters are enjoyable and it just it hit home a lot for me as she for people who deal with body image issues. And you know if you're overweight and you feel like less than this show really shines a light on that and it makes it it's very uplifting but it also deals with the harsh realities is how women are treated shirt and it's not heavy handed. I didn't feel like I felt like it was just very real. No I thought it was shot very straight. It was You know they don't they. Don't pull any punches in that show You know whether it's dealing with you know You know a heavier set girl whether it's dealing with her friends Dealing with dating in dealing with life just dealing with random people out and about her. I mean it's it's such a good show such such a very good show. Yes super people. That aren't watching it. I really hope you guys are watching it. Two seasons are out now. They did get picked up for a third. Oh Yeah I heard that the other day. Why follow me on Instagram? On the grams a girl I still have a few more to list. But do you have anything you WANNA? I feel like I'm just talking. I mean it's your show. You're allowed to nobody. I mean you mentioned You know the. That's one of the Nice things that who done is they've got the agreement now with fx that they've brought other shows over and so looking at one of my personal faves is archer And so all the seasons. I believe it's nine seasons of Archer that have been done so far that are over there And and the Nice thing is even let you know Hey The new season of Archer is coming. I believe it's the first week of Mar First Week of May so some to kind of look forward to You Know I. It's one of the one of the downsides of this whole you know corona virus thing is not. There aren't a lot of them but one of them is so many great movies and TV shows and that kind of stuff have been put on hold You know so. All of the live action stuff that people been looking forward to aren't gonNA happen like the new season of. Lucifer is on hold because they had to stop filming And so but you've got other great animation that's out there going on and to me. Archer is one of them. Yeah it's GonNa be tough because you know they've put off a lot of movies and a lot of TV shows because they have to. I mean it's just not safe when you think about everything how many people go into putting together a and how many people go a movie crews. It's just not safe so people don't realize how small those sets are like especially like with sitcoms and that kind of stuff or like you know what I mean. Nowadays you know you watch the morning president. Everybody's at home You know when you watch when you watch earlier like those those TV sets are not huge expansive spaces like they're very tight quarters and that's one of the reasons why they all move to filming. Hey what is back show? And that's what happens record from home. Your your your dog would like to be a guest on the podcast absolutely happy. Yeah so you know. It's I think that we might depending on how How this goes over. We might actually always wanted to do a podcast about like talking about movies and stuff so for the next couple episodes after this. We might delve into some like older movies. That people may not have watched they. They should definitely check out especially because we arguing Delays all of our new stuff. That's coming out so if it isn't already finish it's not coming out for a while is oh yeah. It's one thing if if you know principal photography if that's done and they can hit it over the editing team. That's one thing if they haven't even finished shooting it yet. Now you're you're waiting at least a year for that to come out. Yeah Saria adjusting myself have end so I could sit criss cross applesauce. That's Cool Kid. Like they couldn't come up with a better replacement for Indian style held and apples as a cause cross. Legged just wasn't cooling-off estimate because growing up it was called. Indian style I don't forever and then all of a sudden it was offensive and I was like Like it's really comfortable. I feel like this is a complimentary. The native Americans knew how to sit. Well we saw. They say they had much better posture than we did. Clearly clearly. Okay so I've got five more things Melissa. The extent to which is on its prime original earth science fiction show so it takes place in a universe where earth and Mars Mars has been colonized. It Takes I. Don't remember what year it takes place. And so you got people living on earth and you've got people living on Mars and then there's this area in the middle called what they call the belts and the belts is where they get all the resources from Van Allen Belt. Yeah Yeah and so they have this big shift that all these people work on the people that work in the belts are basically like what we would classify as low essential workers. These people like what's the most important in this world is Error and like food because they live they live on a spaceship out in space they ration their air they ration certain things to these people that were on the ballot with the people of the belt. Make all the stuff that it shipped out to earth and Mars so it kind of starts off and it tries to bless you bless you. I'm not sick I just everything's fine. It starts off at Thomas. Jane is in it. He's like the big name star gifts that that I've seen on there so far and so it starts up just kind of showing you. It gives you like a tax like being in the beginning like Colic Star Wars. But it doesn't scroll down your screen like that. That kind of explains the whole thing. I just explain to you. And then they threw in his role. Well which and honestly like. I wish more like shows and movies that kind of stuff do that like so going back to Netflix like Netflix. Did that spent an enormous amount of money on bright You know that movie they did with Will Smith which is essentially a remake of alienation But it was one of those things where I feel like if they would have just spent ten seconds at the start of that movie going. Hey remember dungeons and dragons and the Hobbit So this is that but in today's world go like if they would have just if they would've just done that like black screen white lettering. That would have made that entire experience so much more enjoyable. Yeah and for this show even that like I wish they would've given me a little bit more just because they really does just kinda three ren after watch and you're learning as you go it's not you it takes a minute get your head wrapped around everything that's going on. Which just kind of what I like about it though because at this point it's not predictable far and there's like four or five seasons so there's a lot of seasons. I'm still in season one. But if you're a science fiction fan check it out on the production. Value is great Thomas Jane Great Great Actor you and the idea of this being a future thing I mean is definitely like these people in my opinion. And you know if you're a fan of life something like total recall but you want something. More SCI FI more sci fi than total recall. I mean I don't I don't know how much more Sifi you can get a three breasted hooker in a in a world which losing air and action so. This is more focusing on like the relationships. I don't know how much action is. GonNa come into play after the first season dodgers. Okay so that. Is it for prime now? My last four or okay. I one. That's on shudder. Or You can rent on prime which is five dollars a month and it's all horror movies. It's a great service my only issue on bilberries and I still have. It is because I watch everything in one month but I wanted to walk. Go figure yeah so if you WANNA check it out. It's five bucks so the price of renting movie that. I'm going to recommend Get her for a month and watch it. My daughter side or my daughter just came downstairs inside because I'm sitting here recording and she wants to play video games and like you're fine. Got Hi Sam. I can't see me but I'm saying and that's all shook stuff says hi Sam she's waving. Yeah I gotTa Wave Okay. So there's a movie called the theory is and it's a horror movie and it starts off with you know woman in the woods you think. Oh man it's going to be another slasher movie. Yeah that's natural right but it takes the slasher movie and it flips. It like in such a way I shouldn't say flips it but it later turns it on. Its side at the the concept of this. Is that all of these? People are all God. I don't WanNA spoil it if you like for movies. If you like to see traditional horror movie tropes such a slasher movie is done in a different way that is incredibly well done especially because it does not look like super high budget. You definitely check out the fury is I really. Don't WanNa give making also at okay because part of the fun of the movie is discovering as long sort of like you know the Shamma dignam films you know if if you give too much away like why even bother watching it right. It's like here's the promise. Watch it trust me right. Trust my judgment and you don't go yeah. People Typically Trust my judgment on horror movies. Maybe not a lot of other things but horror movie you do. Tend to know you're talking about in that room attack. So the last three are all on net flicks and they've come out in the last few years I think actually all three of them have come out in the last three years so we have wild wild country which is for my documentary people It's about a call. They didn't they would never call it a call but it's not a colts that ended up taking with planting roots here. And it's very it's a very good representation. I feel of how people can get sucked into these types of groups. I feel the way that they portrayed it to the documentary and through the testimonials of the people that were involved that it was very super well done. And even if you're not documented documentary person hard me which are interested in learning more about like colts why people join a call and what they see in ads. This is definitely something that I would recommend. This came out a few years ago. It was kind of big those I feel like most people have already watched it. But if you have not watched wild country get on at at. It's good Shet- and then in the same vein it's not a documentary is fiction but it is based on real life. It's called mind. Hunter Mind Hunter and it is about how the profiling unit got started in the FBI. And it's incredible. It's it's just especially if you're into psychology or if you are fascinated by the mind a serial killers and usually people that are into psychology are interested in abnormal psychology and typically serial killers have abnormal psychology. So mind hunter I got turned onto after seasons. Who came out. So there's two seasons of that and I destroyed two seasons in two days. I've always been fascinated so I mean that's one of those things where Kinda it was It started with like the the book was the it was about the Green River killer and it was the whole foundation of profiling. And and what? They actually aren't what they do and how they work. So that's always been a fascination with me. It's such a great topic and we'll show I mean it. Just the acting guys to the serial killers. I mean they nailed it. They nailed it so mind. Hunter is if you're into that type of fiction if you're into learning about the human mind and why people do what they do And how the FBI sort of their profiling unit than you should definitely definitely check out because it is. I mean it's a fascinating science. It's and reading through like how it evolved over the years whether it's the books because I did actually watch the series just watching through how the science evolves you know and it you know they started out with the thought they. They thought they knew what they were doing. And then oh well all right. Let's actually refine this. And so you know. They're not always a hundred percent accurate but they're pretty damn damn close and it's it's freaky. How how data can be with this stuff. Absolutely I mean I. I was a big criminal minds fan. Oh for sure actually re watching it because I stopped watching it. I think at season seven because as soon as Prentice. God I could watch of me some shimmer more and some penelope. I just couldn't prentice come back. I was I was. I didn't want to spoil it for you. But yeah she does going back and watching all of it so that was me. I loved you know. Obviously I I kind of took a hit for me when Mandy Patinkin left a but it. Yeah and you know but You know all the other characters kind of kept me hooked in and then one by one as they lost characters. It's kind of like CSI like CSI. Loved GRISSOM You know and and one by one as characters left. I stopped watching the show and it was the same thing with criminal. Minds but yeah. They're in the middle of their last. It's their season series finale. This season team sees ended up and I'm starting I think season four. I started at the beginning and just going back through it and it's a lot. I remember most of it. Make sure but such a great series. Yes it great show Say I feel like criminal. Lines definitely Mind Hunter is the last but not least. We're going to go with Russian doll dude. That is so good is so good. Did you just get around and watching that? Are you kidding me? My girl starring. Tv Show yes. She is everything to me. That was such a good series. She was in a movie called. But I'm a cheerleader. And as a as a bisexual woman when I saw this I was really young but I knew that I was attracted to women so like in my view but watching that movie which she started backing her envied as for she. I mean she's been doing all sorts of shit now. Oh Yeah I mean she blew. My mind is an actress And then after that like I just started following all her stuff. She's really incredible. Oh she really as well and this is another series that picked up for a second season. Now Oh well. If they didn't they'd be stupid I mean both of the main characters are extremely likeable. Even though they're both fly or yeah and so. Hey Oh for sure. And for those who don't know we glossed over it like. It's a little groundhog day ash. But with a much more cynical serious twist. Yes so essentially I mean I can give them the basics because I mean it's it's been out for a minute the it's been out for a minute and like it's pretty much established in the first episode that Natasha Leones character. Who is the main character Anytime she dies which usually happens surrounding this one night. Somehow she manages to die. She comes back to the same point at the birthday party. Better find is throwing her at her friend's apartment so that's all you need to know she really Understand like kind of the dynamic. There will another either. That comes in and saying and much like groundhog day. Everybody knows bill. Murray's character keeps trying to find a way to break the cycle And she does much the same thing absolutely. And then it's via. It's one of those shows that late by the by the end of the first season when you actually figure out what's going on it doesn't even matter era bats happening but growth of the characters and how they changed from. Lega said tear kind of not terrible people that really flawed people. Oh for sure are becoming genuinely better people given time and it's it's just if I feel like it was like a triumph of td like this show is so keen good that they do a phenomenal job. Really Related Rolla. So yeah. That's that's my list of stuff. I mean there's plenty of other things I can recommend again. Ligers set on the last episode. I will throw some stuff up on facebook Stephanie Menard or on waystation baseball. So we'll do I still. I still think it might be a good idea. I mean from interacting with people standpoint. Because that's what everybody's looking for these days You know put out a a homework assignment for the week. Like on a on a on a Monday or whatever like hey hey on Friday I'm GonNa be doing a show And you know 'cause with this format we can go live on facebook Through zoom and let people you know comment and Chime in and and do that kind of stuff and you know pros and cons of. Did they like it today? Hate it that kind of stuff just some interaction and like get led people kind of get out a little bit. Yeah we all need an in these. These recommendations are were doing this instead of a regular in the Creator stuff. Because we're all stuck at home we know how much Fox and TV movies. Yes they help. The older not gonNA fill all the time. But we're trying to do more ideas and explain maybe some stuff out of your wheelhouse at eight out. WanNa Watch or have never heard of something to help to make getting stuck at home suck less. That's yeah. That is the ultimate goal. We didn't and we talked about last episode just to make sure it gets hit on this episode for the love of God while you are trapped in home speaking of those creators and artists go find them and buy something from them You know you can't beat a con walking past all the booze all that crazy. Cool stuff that you want to get your hands on and rip your wallet out for but they are still at home Crank in that stuff out and sitting on quite likely a huge stockpile of stuff because everybody had their orders in for all the cons that they planning on going to before all this hit and so yeah I mean everybody. From whether it's the you know the larger creators or the aggregate SORTA like source point. Press or you know. The smaller folks like staff Or Dave herndon those guys you know. There are so many craters that are out there. That are still doing their stuff and they're still trying to make money and keep themselves afloat just like we all are at this point So if you can and if it's possible for you go give them sale and and help yourself out by getting some cool stuff and help them out by helping keeping them afloat. Yeah absolutely and so. I'm going to give a shoutout to misty bobby. Who is a fantastic fantastic artist? She has all kinds of incredible stuff. I will host her leg. I you know you. You probably have seen her conventions on. I just started getting to know her and her husband over the last six eight months. I've seen them like a million times. You know how shy so and that's me see between like the networking group and the studios and all that stuff. I mean I see Gillian people to the same way. If I don't like if we don't actually hang out and I get to know you know you. Yeah so MRI on does. She's just incredibly talented big fan of hers. If for the next show I'll come up with a list of people that you should go check out battle. Be Mentally part of our next episode. But until then I think we're about to wrap this son of a bitch up. I hope that everybody is saying staying. Save looked her up. I do know her. Ironically I remember her from cons. I figured he'd probably at least seen. Bsa Sane stay safe. Stay home were were all in this together and all we can do is try to save posited and stay the Fuck Hall seriously for the love of God we WanNa go outside some time and a lot of people screw around the longer that's going to be delayed and Dave's getting cranky without his dive bar in linguistics folks. Let's put this in perspective. The bartender from temple bar in Detroit called me to make sure I was okay. That's where we are.

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See Hear: Projection Booth Podcast Bonus Episode - Suzi Q

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See Hear: Projection Booth Podcast Bonus Episode - Suzi Q

"Hello this listeners welcome to a bonus episode of see here. Now, no. No sorry. It's not actually autonomous episode. Let's see here. Thanks, I should explain a few weeks ago, projection booth host, and previous see here guest. Invited me to join him and documentary director. Leon Chase, onto the booth to discuss the two thousand and nineteen documentary about Susie. Quattro called Suzie Q.. We had a terrific time talking about suzy who work love of the Bass and family relationships. Mike also presents interviews with the Director Liam furniture. Produce. Tape Brady and the wild one herself, Suzie. Quattro seeing as this film is of potential interest to see here. Listeners. Mike is generously lap me, do include it in Al Fayed and even releasing. Releasing several days ahead of the official projection booth launch. I, really hope you enjoy the show search out the documentary. Afterwards, it's on Vod and David a terrific watch. Then go and subscribe to the projection booths a huge favourite of as it. See here, h queued. The next officials see here episode, we'll be out in a few weeks. We'll be speaking once again with Director Eleanor Quebec concert films. We cut white male enjoy this episode of the Projection Booth I. Hope you can the came I had to say Christopher media. Let's make some noise. Devi as. People pay good money to see this movie when they go out to a theater they cold sodas. Popcorn and no masters in the projection booth. Everyone pretend podcasting is boring. Off. My mother used to say to me, where are you running? I don't know say but I'm running I. Don't know why I'm still like that now. I was in a very musical family with five kids and it was right after watching the Beatles s neighborhood girls got on the phone. What about an all girl band? We were the earliest female. Do The rock hard didn't play like girls like Tiki Tiki, you know imagine the influence of Detroit Ni-. Brother had set from the chemo coming in an offer was made. That, he wanted to just hurt. Devastated them and it devastated me. I didn't know anybody didn't go anywhere. Really really loaning. Then I would say Susan. Clark. came out of the. Ashes. was first and broke the ice and kick the door for us. Gal. I've never seen a woman with an instrument and a band. Time rock was a male orientated business. She has transcended her gender. She is now just considered an icon, a lot of girls at tried to be suzy. Quadrille. But when it's in the DNA, you can't fake that certainly position being looked verse woman leading a band, he hits like. This woman has so much energy. So much talent. She could have done anything. She started expanding her career. In fact that was hard on the marriage. Strange people don't like you to step out of a box. And I refuse to be boxed. And there's a whole chunk of growing up that got missed out. That's the person I'm trying to address. Now, the little girl yeah, wouldn't not to go just stop running so fast. She did far more than show that women could play music. She showed us that we could be who we were. 'cause we're suzy, there was never question Susie had a dream. In Detroit and all these years later, she is still living drink that. Is Amazing. Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host Mike, White Join me once again is Mr Leeann Chase, but my friends call me the Daytona Demon. Also back in the booth is Mr Morris per stinky? What's Shakin? On this special episode, we are looking at the twenty nineteen film Suzie, Q.. It's a documentary about Detroit's own Susie Quattro who left the states early in her career and became more rockstar in the UK and Australia while charting as high as she should have in her home country. She became known more in the US. Thanks to her many appearances on happy days as the character of Leather Tuscany Arrow. The film looks at her career overall showing what a wild ride it has been. I'm not sure if it's possible to spoil this film, but we won't be shying away from anything that happens in it. So you have been warned. So what are your memories of Susie Quattro and what did you think of Suzie Q.? Well, like most American kids who grew up in the seventies, I knew Susie, Quattro I as leather, Tosca Darrow, unhappy days which I'm sure. Sure. We'll get into more it really wasn't until I was in my twenties and going back and discovering a lot of seventies. Glam rock that I realized, she'd had this prolific music career and I loved everything about her as for the movie. You know there's an old saying in show business that if you love sausage, don't ever see it being made, which is Kinda. My opinion on watching documentaries on musicians I like in general. But that said I'm really glad that this movie exists because Suzy, Quattro is a performer who deserves more recognition especially here in the states. As documentary, I wished the movie push a little deeper into her personality and some of her issues. But I suspect that had less to do with the filmmakers more to do with her guarding her own image, which is a pretty common among established celebrities. Especially rockstars some more salad. You what you think. The biggest takeaway for me from the film was that she wasn't like hugely popular in the states because as you've already gone Foam Shijie, she was hugely popular here in Australia. I think is a ten year old one of my classmates went and brought round his copy of the diaby album, which was difficult. Suzy cointreau southern was code candidate. Can He? She was everywhere, you watch the TV pop music shows and the newspapers in she was the second coming of the second coming. So I just sort of presumed that she was at why the rest of the world in till this film for me to realize that she was not much of entity in the site. As for my feelings about music. I always had a copy of candy cane, but strangely I league a Bat, a Waco side before. Before you asked me to do this EPA side actually. So they're gonNA inboard, the second and third album quattro and Mama. Why? Why come command? Really really love those I think as far as the movie goes, I really enjoy this. It does have a lot of the tribes. All of these music documentaries you know where you get a lot of talking heads in victim visit family, get to speak to admiring fans, but I think what this film does. Is it never sorta judges one situation. Every other bet's not said music not music that lead you to feeling. Sad. For instance, win this obvious conflict between the sisters or or the like I. Just think it's it's not overly melodramatic when it gets to the bits of the sisters luckily on I would've loved to have same mole that I think that food the Tacoma. Does a really excellent job to I. Felt like I lived in some sort of weird. When it came to music, I just didn't really listened to a whole lot of rock or what was on the radio, maybe like oldies stations, those kind of things. So it didn't really get into a lot of. Good music until later on in my life, and when I first saw a suzy quattro. At Wax Trax and Ann Arbor. It never dawned on me that Leather Tuscan Shero was anything other than a character on happy days. I. Never realized that Susie Quattro was a thing and when I saw that I was like, Oh, well, she must have cut this record after she was on happy days because we've all seen we all know about celebrities that will Use, their stardom to become stars or try to become stars, Don Johnson as an example, and so it was just like Oh okay. Yeah. 'CAUSE I. Think even Henry Winkler had like a fonzie album. So as Scott Bail and donny, most God. Yeah. You're right and you know he didn't have the chops of Anson, Williams. Who could take any song and completely sucked the soul out of it. So. Explicit. Saturday. To. Ask. On the floor. Tell around me and A. Door. Splashed a jump back in the bath. What was? The. and. I was just like, okay. Yeah. I Guess Leather Tuscan Darrow. had an album and I. It just took me. So long to realize that she was a musician before she was on happy days and. I. Also, I made the mistake while preparing for this episode to go back and watch a lot of happy days from that fifth and sixth season, and I can't remember if what season we had Fonzie jumping the shark. But I feel like I was in Poe Shark territory yeah. That was definitely the era of happy days were even as a kid I. I was very conscious that they'd kind of given up on the concept of it being in the fifties, and we're just kind of you know like like that's that's one of the funniest things about watching her on those episodes. I mean, she looks awesome. I'm not complaining, but she doesn't look like she existed in the time that that show is supposed to be set. Not at all her backup singers did but not her, it was funny like she does this Gig it. and. There's a talent scout at fucking Arnold's wants to put leather in the Suedes on tour with Fabian, and then this hell conflict with joanie replacing one of the Suedes and she wanted to go with her on tour, and so they have to have. Howard and Marianne come and watch her and Oh man. Yeah. That was it was rough and it was weird just yet because she was doing like. Songs that were appropriate to the era, but then she would do a delegate drive. Okay. Well, I mean in some of her songs did have a little bit of throwback quality, but it was just like this does not fit with nineteen fifties. Listen to those first couple of albums. Suzy Quadra will can McCain it is obvious way her influences lime. She has gone and sit I think in the film that Elvis was a here. Music was always like a seventies tyke. This was not Shana. It wasn't like watching graceful Mogae I. Guess. Some of the music grace was not really why. Wouldn't have fitted in the fifties. anyways done. But yet, she was never a fifties tribute act by her heart and soul was in fifties, rock and roll music. I'm guessing she was probably a big fan of Eddie Cochran and the lot having hood they wall is appropriate in the film. With I. Suggest that it was a result going to be Debbie Harry that that we're going to offer the role to and that would have been made a musically nor characterize where that one of the characters. Might. SORTA. Thoughts about the happy days thing. We're possibly sold the talking Y la happy. we've made today, but as long as we're on a hood image to that point had been as you know, this tough take no prisoners sort of rock and roll perform. You look the front cover of that debut album and it's almost frightening that she's there. She's wrapped in leather. He's got these three guys who look like they're gonNA best the shit out of you rather than as a tiny. And then she goes on his family friendly show that fifties revisionists. Whichever way you look at A. Family friendly, and it just seemed to go against. The image that maybe gone cultivated on those first couple of albums. She says a lot about what you see is what you get. This is mate in light around show. sece's I'm a mother and I'm ordinary gal? Lots of claims of who she was bought A. and. I. Just sort of thought that maybe having her. As, she even said that she enjoyed doing the heavy guys experience and that's terrific by. Just saints. In Nineteen, seventy, five or seventy, six when she did. It just sorta seems to really clash with those albums that should put before never mind the music that she was actually performing Indicia, both you guys brought up the family relationships and that's so crucial to the documentary and. For me, it was one of the most striking things I mean I again wasn't familiar with the pleasure seekers. The early group that the quattro sisters had been a part of our or made themselves, and then wasn't familiar with cradle or the way that these bands came about, and all of these interviews with her sisters are just so interesting to watch and just really sets up just such a fascinating portrait. To hear the one sister and I can kind of understand where she's coming from. But the one sister who's just like I will never be a fan of Susana quattro and it's okay I, guess I can figure were you saying that you can't be a fan of your sister that she's your sister and you'll never be a fan of her, but it just the way that she says it makes it feel like I am not a fan of Susa- quattro, and basically like I'm not a fan of my sister. I'm not a big and mire of my sister how it comes off though I, guess. I might be reading too much into it. I don't think so Mike I think. The, you know the the elephant in the room in this movie, and a lot of ways is the fact that she had a really good band with her sisters. In my opinion I I knew the pleasure seekers just from sort of seeking out sixties Detroit all the all that kind of interesting garage rock that never really got big out of Detroit and I think that Bam was great I. Think the movie does a good job of showing that she did have this viable potentially successful thing with her sisters, and the fact is she got an offer to go solo and leave them behind and she took it and I think. That's probably where the sisters animosity towards her comes from and I also think that it's it's. It's a little weird that she seems later on in movie to to lament not having a good relationship with their family. But you've already kind of explained why that happened I didn't actually take away from the interviews in the film with the sisters that obviously there was, there was animosity at some stage bought win a Nancy who says, I'm not a fan of my sister. She says, I love my sister, but I'm not a fan I really did take it to main line I'm not so distant way I just saw to see her completely. Jesse contrary. The image I see her, she is my sister. That's why I am not a fan rather than a cat stand aside foot. But of course, there is there is that moment in the film though which really I guess it was pretty shocking with she plays that cassette and she's kept cassette with all life and for those who haven't seen it yet. There was a moment where she thinks ninety seventy full. The family knowing that she's in London sent her a tight that they've made around the Thanksgiving table when she receives it at Christmas and at it has him saying things like, well, what do you think of Suzy? Success? Yelich sheet I'm surprised because she's not really that talent, she's sloppy vice flat and. Says that really really taught me take and. According to what you're saying daily on the IT's understandable. They're talking from a place of Hush and suzy. Whether at the time. She thought while I can sort of understand this or whether she is genuinely thinking that get with the problem is I've gone to do. My own thing can be happy for me. I, would have liked that dynamic may be to have been the little bit more exploited on the other hand I. Am grateful that the film doesn't completely tune into the melodrama because yet because you got a lot of plates are spinning. Spinning in this because there's the family stuff, there's her career having your own and as part of the ban. So having that family part of it, her as an alien in the UK, and then the whole idea of why is she successful every place, but her own country is a is a major theme in this to you said, any family down, you start asking them about old issues and you're going to get an earful so you. You know we do have to keep it in that context I. Don't I. Don't think the them when when the sister makes the comment about her Now about her not being a fan I, think that is about not really buying into the image I think is very common. If you do know someone, you know personally who's had some public success, you're an example I. Mean, you are successful filmmaker. Your wife is a successful actress I. Don't. Don't know if he would say I'm a fan of my wife or if it's just she's my wife. So I can't necessarily be a fan. You know like have that admiration relationship that you have with someone who's in a public space. You know because you get to see what that person is like when they're not on stage, it would've been interesting to question. Are you proud of your sister? A response to that would have been? They. That's the litmus test. You know you can you. If if they're not proud than, maybe there's still some lingering resentment beginning pride and being two different things. I'm also fascinated by the kind of person who keeps a tape like that I was wondering myself I'm like this isn't just something that they kind of recreated for this. This really sounds and feels like it's the real thing. You know because there are other times in the documentary. Obviously, they're not shooting planes coming into Australia and they're just taking a filter in shooting something our using stock footage and making it look like it was nineteen, seventy, two were whenever she does her first tour of. Australia. So it's like, okay, well, that there's there's fakery that we buy and documentaries were just like, okay, this is not. Pure. This has not been taken from archival footage. You know this is just something that we're doing to represent something, but then yeah, you sit down and you have that tape playing and the quotes coming up of what they're saying around the Thanksgiving table and it's just like, wow, she kept that tape man. That's really something to take down a notch every time you listen to it, that's going to be so hurtful. Just wanted to Sorta like the conversation a bit away from the family for, but because you mentioned the Mike about what's cavill and what's been set up. I, think you can have something. That's both we. So there's this moment in the film which I'm wondering what is from this the moment failure on after she's I, onto London, in making most is trying to work out what do I do with her in this essay them in a hotel room and she's sitting behind a piano something. She's holding advice and he's trying to work out with a I'm not sure we can go with the arrangement of this song You have to think about what you WANNA do with it and I'll come and see tomorrow. We'll talk a little bit more of that. We know is different from that. Eric. is his still frizzy. This is before he became big. mean. Light run in the eighties. Electronic press kits were a big thing. She hadn't even released the record years. Why would I during an electric press kit? Such a thing even exists sort of trying to work. Why was this thing filmed? Give it there a couple of shots edited together. It's not even like someone has a cigarette camera. They just recording this for its iron posterity's edited some. Really. Be Curious what that footage it was. It staged, was it natural and if it was natural, what was being recorded for sin very peculiar, it seems so stage to me especially when he walks out the door and then we just kind of like I think there's a slow push just like a little bit of a zoom in on her and it just like, okay. But yeah, you're right. It's like was this. A new segment or were they going to shoot the documentary at this time or what? Yeah. Just seem really out of left field. Yeah. My guess based on the footage was that that was probably a documentary with the budget or some kind of TV special maybe, but it's also like if they're staging at, there's some pretty raw moments to be staging as well. It out like the whole thing is a little boggling. One thing that they do address throughout the entire thing is the whole idea of a woman in the seventies and being a rocker, and it was one of those like. It just wasn't done. It wasn't nearly as common. As might be today. You know I look at the charts and I mean you can't call Taylor swift a rocker whatever. But I mean somebody like, Taylor. Swift. If. You go back far enough. It's like, okay. Thanks to quattro being this very strong person strong personality like we can have women who own their own career, their own image, and are able to do this kind of stuff. So I'm so glad that they have these voices of. Women who I really admire. I was a huge L. Seven fan when I first heard them Katie tunstall Debbie, Harry. So many great interviews with female rockstars that say that they owe a lot to susa- quattro and what she was able to do. There's one moment in the movie that just floors me, which is this whole thing where she's on talk show and they have her turn around and then smacker ass I had no idea that there was a contest called the rear of the year in Britain, but apparently, it has something to do with that and wow, just when they turn around and smacker as on TV. How far have we come I am so glad that this doesn't happen anymore or at least doesn't happen TV too often why sexist? You know the objectification of men, it doesn't diminish their economic or professional. But when you objectify women, you get the pay gap, you've got discrimination in the workplace so. I think see women women who object who self objectify their bodies in entertainment tend to make more money than the women who've done. So that argument doesn't Wash I. Don't think so and I don't think a lot of women into Evangelista. Lisa didn't go BEN FOR LESS THAN TEN Grand I'm glad that you sent out that link to that article Mike because he adds a little bit of context of what we see in the film. It doesn't excuse, Russell Hockey's. Behavior. That whole rear of the AA. Thing that is very much of a time. I. Thought that was seventies, but it turns like not a ninety two. Now last month I. Think it was Mike when you join this fool. See here, we figure that the kids are alright and we saw Russell hockey on that program as well, and it's SORTA Saint Latin of daltry. Whistle really didn't have much to do with him and he was trying to get information out of them that they didn't WanNa give sort of a wonder what else Russell Hoti is Donovan seeing this moment in the film where he just smacks us I'm thinking Oh my Lord, what is going on here and a read interview? Outside of the link that he said where Susie said, if he'd tried that shit backstage are punched him in the jaw and I'm just sort of a disallow wondering with a punching the Joel on said on the tape have because she said, I was doing professional to do that I'm wondering where the punching him in the Joel on TV would've actually been a bad career move at all I think she could have gotten away with it. I imagine there would have been some people who would seem that is unacceptable. I also wanted to look up some other things with Russell Haughty, say like. What was his reputation like as an interview on Seoul? An interview that he did. If you WANNA call it that with Greis Johns and a kite fair enough greis giants does have the reputation for being maybe a little bit difficult interviews. But really heat treated at patronisingly inside she guided that to him and it was it was a terrible interviews oil in a maybe he's just generally crap with pop styles or maybe within these, Gerald because of our Greis giants with John Rivers and also associated with Don Lang who was elegant American. Tonight show view wafting astrologer and she was perfectly fine with them. Funny. In human told. Stories, by just with Russell Hoti. Is, anyone English, who's listening to this podcast plays? Ryan. Tell us was Russell Hoti an asshole general, either way I think that's such an important moment in this film because you know less, we sit here and twenty twenty and get to critical. In hindsight, we have to remember that as Mike candidate, she was such a pioneer, the idea of female Rockstar, not only a female rockstar. But to be this woman who is dressing in what's basically bondage gear and his acting tough and you know I sincerely believe was capable of punching that man in the jaw. She probably would have been labelled as difficult and banned from show business back then. She was really navigating uncharted waters and that I watched that that moment and you know I, it's interesting that you've read up on him because I didn't know much about him. But either way, I, just I watched that and I thought like this guy's an ally. These are the people promoting her like imagine what it was like behind the scenes or the you know the people who hated her. Her just for existing, you know it's like mad respect suzy I'll when she talks about going from radio station, a radio station during the the American days, and that's how you got your records play her husband at the time was saying you know to to get your records play, you'd bring the DJ's a whole suitcase full of cocaine. That's the only way they would may be player record. I don't think there's any possibly apart from our NPR. DJ's I. Don't think there's any DJ in. DETROIT, right now that I respect at all, they all just come across as bigalow Yahoos, and like there's to think about the shit that she probably put up with these guys who think that they have a little bit of power because they're like on a fucking backwater radio. Radio Station in Boise Idaho or something what would that have been like must have been horrible a carrier what the expression was but I know that with stores that graft and corruption being a big thing in American radio. Pale, thank. You since the of rock and roll so I. Guess That was tough for the core seems just an accepted thing I'd love to know. Where there was a point, if there's been a point where that pile actually stopped in this deny age with more more people listening to the music through the Maine's whether even getting your new music on the radio. This even a thing. Anymore I'm talking Assad from what we call the public stations. Or your college radio stations, which be the things that might play something new everything else is just tried and true. Well, I've spent a little bit of time with Some guys just sort of came right before me in the in the film TV entertainment whatever industry I, I worked behind the scenes for a long time and you hear stories about about the suitcases of cocaine and such and The reigning wisdom seems to be that Paola for the most part went to MTV, and then as the corporations figured out how to really micromanage every step of the formula. Formula The idea of a person sort of organic growing as a performer and coming to you and getting discovered pretty much got thrown out the window. It still happens especially with people like rappers and stuff, but you the story. I always got his that The DJ is the all powerful taste makers been long gone for several decades. I can't even imagine most the the as these days. Even choose their own records and I'm sure there's nobody that goes in now other than apart from the folks that you mentioned. Morris. That go in like grab the stack of records and start flipping through and they're like, okay. I'm GONNA play these on my show. It's got to be all just preprogramed with their little breaks. Okay. Off. I. Go I'm GonNa talk for twenty minutes about whatever comes through on the teletype, the AP or whatever. Because that's the thing too is there are so many times were all sit down in the morning or or even before. Before I go to bed at night, now, read some news stories and then sure thing the next morning. If you turn on the radio, you're going to hear the same five headlines across every single news organization or every single DJ is going to be like, oh. Did you hear about this Wacky Guy Down in Florida who did this and it's like, Oh, my God, it just sounds like, I, love when they do those things on, say like the daily show or on John Oliver, show last week tonight where he'll just cut together all of the. The news clips that are the exact same story. You could do the exact same thing. If you took a day of Radio deejays and just listen to every single morning drive time show, you would hear the exact same stories in the exact same language, and then they would go and call us and tell us your great stories and it's like, Oh, great. Thanks. It raises an interesting point about Susie, Quattro, which is if if you look at are not only, did she have this image that you know everyone is obviously influenced by someone else but it really. Really was as far as I can tell like a very original look. She may have seen girl on a motorcycle a few times, but you know they're really really is a sense of this. You know I remember even the first time I like sort of saw one of her albums going, wow, lake where this come from, and then to be a bass player, I, gotTa say like the idea of like the lead singer playing bass and and then being a woman doing it again, I don't think that was a formula that was really all her own invention. Failings about this? Yes. She was hugely important obviously from the film. This moments where they show the other musicians further on down the line gave the respect that she deserved and she obviously craved the film does. So the guy make a token point, I think early on by saying that there were. Musicians. Top Christine McVeigh. who had a film decide when not going to make the point that she was the first female musician to. To be to be strong, but a little to saying a little bit more crude is given to. People like one, the Jackson, Fifties Rock N Roller, aretha. Franklin Nina Simone to really really strong female singers and musicians. Guy Type, the hell of a lot of grant and even though Carol Kaye with not a singer, a in the public eye. But she was a strong female by supply who really had to hold her own amongst many miles musicians, and she got their respect because she did the job in a surprise if. Susie a fan of any of those people. Yes. She came up with something that was fresh. a little bit more talk about those who came before when. The wife of her as much as she paved the way in a rock n roll sense for other musicians that you've already got a mention Mike. I. Agree. I. Think I was referring more to her image. You know the idea of this woman, the leather suit playing the bass. But yeah, you're you're absolutely correct. I would've loved to seen a little bit more Turner's Great Missing Link in that list as well. The era that we grew up in. I mean seeing a woman playing bass in a band was at least you know as a fan of alternative. Alternative Music was not that was like director. Know I'm thinking like Sonic, youth and smashing pumpkins and the breeders slash the pixies and it's just like, okay. Yeah. That's the thing to the point where it was almost stereotype. Well, okay. Yeah. You put the girl in the base. I don't know why that was what I think. Maybe even White Zombie might have had a female bass player as well and it was just. Just like, okay. Yeah. That's cool. Her and that fricken huge base I mean it kept trying to picture her setting that thing down probably would have come up to at least her neck. It just looked almost as tall as she is just. Yes. She she could play the shit out of that base. I was. So glad when they finally figured out, okay. We're going to feature the base in the songs and make. Make this her instrument because otherwise they were like they do with a lot of music mixes, they were just burying the base. It was just there are carrying the load of the percussion and it wasn't doing that much on its own, but she could really make that thing saying I have a theory that that plays a little bit into why she was a bigger hit in the UK and I believe Australia. because. There was this real basie bottom, heavy brand of Glam. Rock I'm thinking of like slade or the sweet bands like that. That were known in the US. But they were never big here. The way that say a led Zeppelin or the stones or a lot of these other big rock x word. I think the her sound again, kind of back to the continuum in the influences like she was very much. Either influenced or otherwise like playing to that John Jonah which featured like a really heavy bass, really that great sort of Lake Deep Tom Sound, getting in, you know an audio engineer stuff, you're little bit but. I've a huge fan of that and that I guess that kind of leads us to the question about her not having huge success here Mike. Deception about why she hid it really big in Australia has less to do with the Glam Rock era and that she was actually said she never saw himself as a Glam rock cod up probably on the whole tend to agree with him that in Australia from the sixties into the early seventies. The big thing if you were to go see a in the clubs. Will listen to the radio was heavy blues based. Music. album version of. Woodstock. Who is the sombre music festival son breeze like a little ten. Just maybe a few kilometers at Saad Melvin December festivals in the early seventies I. Think for three full years were absolutely huge. There were bands played no bullshit node nonsense, heavy blues, dyson bogey. Music. ability in the sticks in Boston Bran Lobby. Lloyd. Chain Cast Kevin Barge Express, and then later on in the seventies ends absolutely huge. Chisel on the angels in judge the Falcons. So I know you're familiar with much through the twentieth century Y'all's Santrac all those bands were part of the Australian, top forty and general puttable musical landscape. So he comes suzy Quattro who's planning a brand of rock and roll, and it fits in completely with the music that we will listening to from our backyards. It makes complete sense. Wise. She was popular here. I can't say for certain what she wasn't popular in the Steitz You'll theory lay on that. They associated more with the Glam Rock era and gland saint to be a big thing in the states. But yeah. So on the Glam band with very big here like sweet. Sweet was huge either. I tend to. Think of a mole in the blues bogey sort of. That gives you WANNA call that one. especially coming back to the album's been listening to the last few weeks. Plus what we hear in the film is that she didn't WanNa stick with the one thing. So I will valves that's the image that we have the blues and Boogie SORTA thing. But by the time we get to the album your Mama why me which I've had like a month to live with now, she was obviously digging into funk music i. mean it was there was still something of What she was doing before. A Drummer Haram base playing. They really SORTA grooving on on the made on her motown routes I. Mean I guess it's a little bit more dirty than about ten said. That album has some aureus funk in. The see light around like the the next couple of albums down the line she. So the guy from a poppy gentle acoustic sand, and then later on of the film I, guess, we'll talk more about it than is she musical theater and one of the things that she says in the film, I'm not having anyone, put me in a bag by husband. Thinks that I'm just guided they this topic musician, but I wanNA explore whole bunch of other things and really as early as seventy seventy, six, win your Mama Dot lock me came up that was already evidence that she was wanting to try something different and. She says, I don't want to do the Tuscan era thing anymore because they're gonNA get the impression. That's all I can do and I think that's as much associated with those first two albums. Much Gentler friend family friend, League version of that. But still associated with that talk leather image, she was ready to do something else. So huge respect to for for doing that. Yeah, I found that really admirable and you know getting back a little bit as from the American perspective in someone who is a big Fan of seventies rock I like to say Again, I can't speak for Australia, but if you look at the UK. Like in the early seventies, I like to say that the UK went glitter and America was going Denim, and if you look at the mainstream like who is a real superstar? American, seventies, it ended up being like the eagles in this real kind of middle of the road, you know vaguely countryish, but without any sort of edge, like you know like I really think that she had an image that was they. It's an overused phrase, but really. Really ahead of its time in terms of what people were receptive to release what we were being sold for Shilton giggles I. Just put in. You know top songs of Nineteen, seventy five now granted I like a lot of the songs. But when you look at the choice of what was out there in the top forty, what actually broke through Rhinestone, Cowboy Shining Star by earth wind and fire, fucking fantastic song I'm not in love by Tennessee. Twenty Landau and dawn bj Thomas Major Harris. Casey, and the Sunshine Band. So it's like we're doing like Gordon lightfoot. We're doing like singer. Songwriters, we we've got the feel like making love by bad company. That's that heavy, but it's heavier than other things and then you've got like. You're saying funk like That's the way. The world by Earth, wind and fire, and we've got disco with Casey Sunshine Band, Jive. Talkin by the BG's. But that's also the fucking era of in. You know I said I was going to put anything down. But that's the era feelings by Morris Albert I mean one of the worst songs ever so must. Must have been so difficult because this just wasn't as hard as you could get punk rock was still around the corner Hard rock really wasn't at that. Great of a point right now, prog rock was kind of a thing over here, funk and disco. So yeah, it was. It would have been tough for somebody to to break through with what she had. You're talking about really plays into a much larger continuum in American music and really how Americans treat quote, pop music, versus the rest of the world where it's always been a little throwaway. It's always been like, yeah, that was cool. But here's the new thing. You should buy incredibly American attitude, and if you look America culturally has been absolutely amazing at inventing musical genres and then throwing them away until some other country picks it up and does something awesome with it and sells it back to us? I mean that's going back. Really. You know to the Beatles at least. least you know and and she's just it makes complete sense to me that she would get much more recognition abroad because this country has just always been about. Well, what can I sell you and particularly in the seventies? I think Blake. Once again, we're making all this great, really interesting rock in the sixties, and then as the industry became more and more an industry in in the states at least it was really becoming about like. Well, what what kind of feel good thing can we sell that? Everybody's GonNa enjoy again back to the happy days thing. Really. Started happy days. He had happiness it. All comes back in a big circle. Wasn't that the period where kiss was just starting to make it bigamy kiss alive. was that nine, hundred, seventy, five. Seventy six and they were pretty big. You know the top well I mean I guess you know Suzie? Q.. was coming in earlier than than. Before they broke based. Show that allowed rock band could still to break through the singer songwriter over the middle of the ride things that maybe Dr Metal I will Barbra streisand putting down. You know kiss came up earlier because I was trying to think of who was doing some version of what might be considered. Glam in American, kiss was really the one sort of pick that mantle up though born and raised in the southern suburbs of Detroit like amicus Fan. But I got his in terms of the actual like in terms of heaviness. If we're really rating those songs like they were still like the way that kiss was recorded was not you know on par with what AC DC was doing, you know or what the sweet was doing just in terms of sort of sonic impact you know. But yeah, I. Think you're you're correct. They were like one of the only ones them Alice. Cooper. Know who Alice Cooper would tell you that kiss ripped him off completely. But you know the IT in terms of like taking that thing and kind of making a heavy performance oriented thing, it was happening I'm just I'm speaking more in terms of Lake when I talk about the industry with a capital I in what was what was being sold I, think Mike. That it was there this constant quest in the seventies to get his middle of the road is possible. I guess because you could sell more records that way and and Punk I think in huge at least in the states was huge reaction to that wall and don't forget to that the only top ten number one hit. The kiss head was fucking Beth you know. So it's it's like they're their songs were selling and they had massive fans I, think they call themselves the kiss army, but yet it's like fucking disco duck is the number one song in the. The country at the time. So it's just like Oh. That's the thing. That's so frustrating when you're watching Suzie Q. The documentary and you're seeing like the song number one in the UK number one in Sweden number one in Portugal didn't chart in the US and it's like, yeah. No, it was tough to break through because we had don't pull your love out on me baby or the rubberband man or these kind of things. We're the ones in the you know the top forty hits the ear. So yes, stuff like the things that we're talking about the sweet. Fuck, New York dolls, Kiss. Any of these things are not gonNA breakthrough. They're not going to cut through the noise of of top forty radio. It would have probably been a little. Hits I mean, yes, sure. There was not going to be as many rock and roll bands that were to sweep the whole country thought. Like. NO ONE OF A. Collections of music is the nuggets box set that lenny symbol. They're all regional hits, D'Amato of breakout of just one state, but it seems These were more here. The song said people forgot I. Don't always positive table WHO. As, long as I could put on guitar and. Get behind the drum kit kit. Imply the base would still sort of love what the possibilities at rock and roll music. Could do. That yet it I guess it is a shame that. America. As a whole is he put it like that Moore buy into that. There's another piece to that puzzle which we've touched on a little bit because if I think about seventies rock. Yes, was huge in America and in a lot of that was band like the stones and led Zeppelin, but there is an enormous amount of really great clothes. Classic rock now coming out in that era and when I think about like a classic who was making really great innovative heavy rock and roll in the seventies I think van Halen and then what I also think of is how incredibly entrenched all that was in a very male macho boys club kind of thing which I don't get me wrong as a little kid as a little boy I. absolutely loved it. But I can also see that there is a sexism that is not going away. That was a million times worse back then and I think there really was. A really negative response in America to the idea of. Any woman who's not a soul singer or a Lesley Gore type or or a nice sweet carole king type. You Know I. think There is really a lot of resentment almost toward any woman who dared to get up and claim to be a rocker seen with lest we forget the runaways as well. She's talking about at one point how they come back from a tour as the pleasure seekers and it's like, okay, we come back to Detroit. Now we've got you know the MC five and you know you think of other. Artists from that time, and you can sit there and go. Okay. Mc Five IGGY and the stooges Bob. Seger. Ted New jet and is just yet boys after boys after boys after boys. Given Young PUNK is not necessarily my specialty, but it does seem to me that. The role of punk music did level the playing field somewhat. But maybe that's once again, not from an American perspective, but certainly I think in in England. another American ex PAT who had to take a band of British musician. Chrissy onto the pretenders in the styles have. suzy soup. I, I'm imagining that punk in general. So while. Fox that Punchy ocoee. Wig? On Guitar Waking by beautiful noise that into the classic rock, it maybe follow. So that how many classic rock songs are about girls just turning seventeen, who the opening song to the first album by my favorite band. Unfortunately, I, never would have associated her with glitter because. I. I. Don't know just stub I guess the leather and stuff. I just I mean, and I have nothing against glitter rock there. There were so many great glitter rockers, but I just I never would have put her in that box. But then like she says, she doesn't want to be in a box. That is an interesting thing about the runaways I never associated I'm kind of jumping around a little bit. But I never associated her image with the runaways as strongly as they made the case for in the movie and just that. I never have I guess because up with Joan Jett being a solo artist Joan Jett like I wasn't that familiar with the runaways and so when they were talking about how Joan Jett would get approached by people who insisted that she was Susan Quattro or that Susan Quattro had done the things Joan Jett did. It just boggled my mind I really just never would have confused those two I. Find It interesting. Have a mentioned in the film. Giant wants wanted to a climb. Fast. I guess like you Mike if Manasota though. She probably would have been a fan but. The the level of idol worship. Just. Wow. I never would have guessed that an that just. Coming, back to the happy days thing. That's way. susie hug I guess it's not what she ended her acting career, but it's the worst stopped at that time. She didn't decide to make a lot more of a thing about it, and there's that movie in the eighties that pulls Schreider, Retin Directed Co. light of which faces Joan Jett, and it was sort of thinking well during Pretzel this I reckon I would've liked to seen suzy quattro. Quattro in the pot that giant jet did playing alongside Michael Fox's filmed that you said Oh. Yes. I have not seen it This is a little bit of a side note, but fun fact that film was shot in Cleveland, and there's a scene where there's a new wave band opening for them fronted by Trent. Reznor. That's true. Yes. Yes, it is. There's a documentary about Joan Jett and I don't remember the whole suzy quattro. There there's also a documentary about the runaways called edge play that I still haven't watched it, and I'd be very curious to because. So this is a very much an aside, but a few years ago. One of the former members of the runaways was on jeopardy and becoming the kind of a mini jeopardy champ. James Tower. But she was really good and I was just like, wow, and then they started talking about how she was in a rock band and I went back and I, looked up her and what she had done this stuff and just uncovering all of the garbage that she had put up with and to the point where saying the manager of the runaways was had raped her and just all this shit that she had gone through, and then who backed her up on the stuff it was like. I, don't think that doing backdrop on it, and so it was just like, ooh, I, wonder if this edge play we'll get into those things because it sounds like a fascinating story, but also a really horrific story. To accommodate play on safe here a few years. and. It is. It is pretty interesting. I would have liked to have saying maybe a little bit more. But maybe this is on I. Don't necessarily know that much about the runaways. So there's some things I wanted to know more. Yes circulate did reveal that there was a lot of sorted stuff going on and I had to put up with a hell on shit so. Once again if you like sausage. Exactly, Kim Fowley particulars is a by all accounts of foul human being. So if if you if you get into the runaways story in any depth, you're gonNA start hearing some nasty things about him. Yep. That's exactly who I was talking about. I couldn't remember gentleman's name though he doesn't sound like a gentleman. You know there's another thing that occurs to me, which is I. Don't doubt that Jonet was a huge fan of Susie quattro. Why wouldn't she be and also just as as a sort of you know someone who came right before and someone disor emulate or at least be inspired by I also think it's funny that again back to the kind of inherent. Inherent sexism in that in that era that there is the sense that people have like that, there can be only one that if I know that Oh, here's this female Roger, that must be Joan Jett whereas like how many guys in the eighties look like Rob Halford at least in terms of what they were wary, you know how many? How many guitar players at Van, Halen, like the Ra- million of these. You know whether they were inspired a rip off. So we were we were fine with you know twenty bands in the eighties that look like Motley crue. But as soon as there's like two tough women fronting bands, it's like well, how can that be? I'm sure that some of our former soul singers have been mistaken for other soul singers in the past where it's just like Oh. Yeah. You're the guy from Europe PIP, right? No, no. No. I'm one of the four tops Oh. Yeah. I Love Your Song Papa. Rolling Stone. Listen that gets into black lies in general, which is a whole other podcast to say the least Ono's Jackie Fuchs who I was thinking of who went by Jackie Fox when she was in the runaways and I do see that she is in edge play. So I that's more reason for me to see it more. So I know that you had put out a question on a group recently asking about. Performance who've done musical theater and I did find fascinating I would've loved to have seen Susa-. Quattro as any Oakley any get your gun. It just looked like an amazing performance I'm wondering whether there's Somewhere on Youtube on days like a a a full performance because we get a little bit of footage day of that have been just. A news story and his suzy quarter remember the leather wallets. She's putting address. On Deep, put out a question in the Steve, Hoffman for to say what people would come up within a besides sequester. The only other one who I could they only two people could remember would fight associated with parts pens, Asa Linda. Ronstadt famously did a assays however long way of was on Broadway for parts of penzance in here locally, a singer in the seventies who was elected, he didn't think. Much. Outside of dry. You'd be in Europe quote John English, and he started out in Jesus Christ superstar. Once he told me gone through that. He was his big Rockstar. Industry of the seventies, and then he just decided on a musical theater in He was a good actor side. He absolutely owned the parts of talked about anyone else in the casters join, English? The other, some of the other people who had been mentioned in the forum that I can remember with Peter Noone of Herman's permanent hermits who I'm presuming took the pirate king role that, Johnny, wisden parts of Vince. Paul Stanley having done the opera I think we discussed that. Mike. With with you on. Kids. Mesa. Phantom of the pocket Mickey. Dolan's beheaded apparently in the Tim Rice Elton John. Script of Aida that was pretty amazing to to rate. But I think a lot of the responses of people came up with tended to a more in the Tim Rice Andrew Lloyd Webber Musical type thing which apart from Jesus Christ Service Idea is certainly not rock Joseph and the technicolor drink cuddle productions of grace, which is playing on popular music styles. Amaze not pop music was not rock music. Certainly, that would be that would work in time. Right? But. It's not musical theater. I was looking for more responses in terms of. Things that have been written for lead. Roblo people gone done Rockstar had gone and done club while south. Pacific. Or West side story, that sort of thing. I'm really surprised that people didn't come with more responses like that, and yet I'm the must've been more people like. Tribe who'd gone into traditional musical theater and religious that thing in the film where she said that she was going to write a rhyme music or she's GonNa ride around musical about two little bankhead I love that as she just. Know. Already shown that I can act in something I'm sure that I can sing music that is Not what you normally associate with me and guess what I'm going to write music guy to write a polite and I'm going to write the music and I'm GonNa Start at. Dye, went to some pains in the film to so too shy to Lola Bank and any Oakley. Very, much. AS SIMPATICO WITH SUZY QUATTRO I. Absolutely love that a love finding that at. Once. Again, coming back to what we're discussing early on in the film about the film Guy Fire and often. Yeah. Maybe another half that would have been great. But I really do think that there are a lot of things in this film that I just. I did not know that. Really, that was that was fantastic. I love learning. So the stuff that she had that connection to other forms of music and. Something I wouldn't necessarily have associated with. The one that popped my mind when we were talking about this was I knew that Joan Jett had been in a cast of rocky horror picture. Show I. also assume that she would have been at least franken further, but she ended up being Columbia. So I'm surprised that she didn't have a bigger part not that there are any small parts in that movie, but just or production I should say but. But I I. Know that I've seen women play Franken furniture. So I assume that she would be that he had like kind of build a home built up to her performance, build up to her coming on screen, rather than her being one of Frank's helpers. I'm married to a professional actor. So I have a little bit of insight into this that could very much be a business decision as. As. Well, the idea of taking risks on people, who shall we say are accustomed to a rock star lifestyle versus an incredibly disciplined Broadway lifestyle and what it really takes in terms of the hours and the rehearsals and to put it in after night after night. It's I know people who've who've done Broadway shows and it's really you know it's it's like being a professional athlete is is really above and. And beyond. So I wouldn't be surprised if with some of that sort of boutique casting, it might be on the production side with her a little hesitant to take a chance on somebody like that. I was forced me when I hear those stories of Broadway actress that are in two productions and one night where they'll do a bit part in one run across the street and change be in another production. Cynthia Nixon. Yeah. She did that who alley just. So last night watching Amadeus had to sort of look twice. Is, that her? 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WanNa listen to even more conversations on film head on over to culture cast dot com, or find it all pod catchers, android and IOS. I'm Chris Cooling from forgotten. TV. And you're listening to the projection booth, the ultimate movie podcast. Quattro thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. I've been a fan of yours for a while especially because you come from Detroit, which is where I'm at right now and I'm curious. Where did you grow up in the city? I was born and raised goes point woods, Subir, and then removed to. Firearms. When I was about fourteen in then rerun that several only ever in two houses. The WanNa non-tory votto goes print, which is like my heart I've left my heart dish and then we moved to a place on Allard just by. Seven mile in Mac you know around there. What kind of world music clay when you were growing up, my father works for General Motors in the daytime and in the evening, he was a musician. He had five kids and we were all very musical. We all played various instruments I. Myself Play Crafts, go piano, and percussion, or read, write, and play both instruments, and when I was fourteen and we started our first band is you know I told the story every it was after seeing the Beatles. Beatles on the Sullivan show and everybody, all the girls were on the phone two sisters. One of my sisters and another girl that lived down the road we re talking after the Beatles. On the phone, we decided to form Vanden everybody chosen instrument and I didn't speak up quick enough. So it was said to me, you're going to play bass on I said Okay and Lucky for me when I switched on, put it on my dad gave me. For my first base, it's amazing I. Make Musicians Green. I had a nine hundred, fifty, seven fender precision given to me to learn. It was written in the stars. I was going to be a serious bass player. You know, do they make smaller bases because I think looks like it's as tall as you are know when people say that I just WanNa Punch them. You know it just doesn't occur to me. I said to my Dad Judah per base. Yes. I can I have it? Yes, you can. Can he gave it to me. I didn't know Vu smaller basis. So really because I didn't know it, I've just learned on that when I play a smaller now, it feels like a toy. But no, I didn't know and I don't care I like the big base. I like the long neck, I liked the heavy body, it just suits me perfect. Most people that sent. Sent? Sakaba's born trainer Bass Guitar. You said that you could read and write music did your dad teach you? You actually have formal training? I had training in percussion and piano self taught on Bass and Tarzwell saw properly trained percussion piano base, and I play guitar to write songs about a group which are parallel because I was one of these unusual bass players that. That didn't fail on guitar and then goes space. You know a lot of them did but not me I just went to the base when I was young I used to get a big long groom and put rubber bands around it and pretend to pluck a standard base, believe it or not is that was always in my wavelength and also what I always remember. All the family trips we took which numerous because five kids you're not going to go on a plane, it's going to be too expensive. Lot of them were car trips and we always had sing songs and my dad would always young dum dum dum dum dum do is to think damn. He's got the best part. So I always had this. I had a natural bass player. Just it's just natural instrument for me. How did you get approached to be a subject of a documentary? All about you? While, there was an aborted documentary about eighteen years ago by a good friend of mine, she was actually a bass player for a very short time with the runaways, Vicki blue We became good friends and we started the do one, and then some of the people actually one of the people that I don't WanNa give any names of people that was in vain interviewed. decided that she didn't like how she looked. I'm camera and refused permission taking guts out of the documentary. So. It wasn't very nice. Soul that one KINDA got boarded. We're still good friends speaking out was my fault and then this. Guy Liam furniture, he contacted me about forty years ago now and he said he would. Like to documentary on resource and I didn't know what was I said, tell me you're by yourself. He said to me, I gotTa, tell you right away though I'm not a fan. I. Kind of went. Oh, that was surprising. And he said. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. You said unlike him music, it's just not a fan summit or okay. Fair enough. Okay. And then I said, well, if you're not a fan of why do you want to do the stock you mentally and he said because when I saw, you're talking on a television show I found fascinating. So I knew I knew I. I. Found my guy. He would be objective. He would be honest. He would be strong about what he thought and even if we clashed a bit, you know I was Gonna get the honest no-holds-barred raw documentary that I wanted the truth I wanted that, and I knew he would give that to me. It took about four years to make the documentary you win everywhere. We how is that working with him and then also seeing your life, I mean Gosh, you've been in this business for so long announcing it. All just kind of taken down to like ninety minutes or so it doesn't seem. Seems like it last for six days when you watch it because it's your life of their. So you're going Oh my God is quite, it's a strange reaction. You know you you almost WANNA run away. It's just strange to see your life up on the screen all the some of the things people said they just humbled May. I was crying at the time when I was watching it. You. Know some the things made me hurt. Some of them. Made me laugh. Some of the made me. Smile. It was warts and all, and it affects me every time I, watch it. If you were to see your life on the screen, you'd be the same you just Kinda go. God All. My God I did all that Oh. My God is somebody says something I see go? Oh my God. You forever going. Oh my God. Full disclosure I am a child of the seventy. So my first exposure to you was unhappy days. So I, knew that you had acted in that and I'm a fan of Midsummer I. See you on that and I'm just like Oh my God I didn't realize that she had worked more than I looked up from fan I'm just like, wow, you've done so much acting and find out that you've written books and just the Aradio show just so many things and it's like they just barely touched on in the dot is just adds to your full character of just how inventive you are. I'm an Artiste have to put it that way. I didn't get business for a minute I gotTA. GotTa for lifetime you know entertaining is my big thing. Rock roll obviously is in my heart, my soul. But I always knew that I would not be boxed in and I do whatever this big ball of wax that is called being artist. It will allow me to do you know and I. Hope I have the sense not to try to do something I can't all the things I've done. They've all been about communicating creating entertaining you know so it's all the same ball of wax I. Use the same instinct when I'm acting what was I? Do when I go on the stage play a song when I'm writing a poem or writing song. It's all the same thing really for me Being an artist was happy days. was that your first acting Gig? Yes. Can you believe it? I, said to Ron Howard, because I was curious. I. Remained Friends with all these people to summer phone. Because I was curious to his answer I said, did it ever seem to you like I was a brand new actors on the show and he said absolutely not you felt like an old pro and that you been there from the start of the series win. That's exactly what I felt like. It's strange. It's strange how that happened I I guess I just slotted in. Didn't he? Just. Made Sense I. Mean as soon as they introduced leather Tusk era. Oh. Yeah. Well, obviously it's. You see part of the show and it was wasn't it yet? Where did the HIP slap finger gun? Thank come from in in lot of these shows, the try to come up with what they call it a business of bit of business. So it's a finger. snapper is a salute or something like rotten Howard to go I found a thrill. You know so. So. Everybody has been a business and somebody suggested that and I tried a few things night when killed in that, when felt right to me, I can't believe that they were offering you your own show, your own spinoff. Yes. But I had done enough. I have done three seasons as another Tuscan darrow and I didn't WanNa be typecast again, I won't be. Be Boxed in. So That's enough. That's enough of that character and I was right because I went on to do as you saw the dock. So many of the things you know are you still doing radio shows? I left about a year ago? I. Did fifteen years on BBC radio two, which is the biggest station in Europe. I was one of the. The most popular deejays, but I left because I found out that they were reluctant to play my new albums because I was a DJ on their station and that made me angry and I said Armand I and I'm sorry. But I'm going to have to go that's not to say I won't go back and do some more things I probably will. But. Now. They're playing records. You know. So I didn't like that I didn't like it, but I do like doing radio. What it is about Australia, that makes you so popular there I. Don't know people have always estimate Japan and Australia. Roy's my two biggest markets I. Mean, you know I've had number once in every country, but. Australia's particularly good. I don't know what it is and again asset by Australian. There's something about us me and them that we just connected from day one on the taking me in one of their own. They understand we've grown up together. We've kind. Of had a love affair. Since Day One, I always say we are lovers and we should never get married. What do you feel your relationship is, with England because we've been over, there were more than half your life i. don't Howard it happened I didn't plan. This is I had two offers. In the same week, one from Elektra records and they saw the band cradle and they didn't like the band at all and they offer contract Mickey most came in this sane week to to rob recorded. Motown saw the band band and you only wanted me. So Electra wanted me to go to New York and get a Guy Band around me and becomes the next Janice Joplin making. Making most said come to England upward a band around you and I will make your first Susie quattro. So that's kind of like a no brainer run and I came here and it just took about eighteen months before had success over eighteen months putting down roots you know and Then I fell in love with my guitar player. So putting down roots again and I ended up just. Staying. It wasn't planned, and now my kids are English and you know whatever. But I'm always, as you can hear my accent I am an American Ingrid. I always will be, but I do like it here, I like Lovett where I live and travel all the time I come back to America always toward their back. There are a few times lately, I did several radio shows from their documentaries I. Had my sixtieth in Detroit Sixty Fifth and DETROIT'S I. I got the Michigan Rock and Roll Hall of fame. Award. I. Got the she vox surveying January in La in I went in Texas got the woman evaluated award I've been back and forth quite a bit. You know it's not like, I, don't come home I was so glad to see Alice Cooper in the documentary I can't imagine what it was like touring with him when you're both so young. Well, it was welcome to my nightmare redid eighty-five shows. I I mean I made it nice and. We've known each other long. He always calls his little sister that read write that you are now learning German on married to a German man. For, twenty. Seven years now, and we actually separate countries. He lives in Hamburg and I live in England and we go back and forth, which is great except when there's a pandemic and then it's not so great. So we were two and a half months apart. You know that's not good. But some non going there again at the end of this month, 'cause I win from I seventy th birthday, and then I had to come back to the UK in quarantine for two weeks in ongoing back again. So I don't speak German though I mean, he's never spoke German, he always speaks. English. Still touring nonstop. I did eighty five shows last year, I had the. One of the busiest year since the seventies certainly high as a kite out, no control came out, which is I think one of my finest album, Scott rave reviews around the world I've never had such reviews. They were dissecting the songs, including lyrics fat to me I. Did it wrote and produced it with my son which was unexpected. We didn't know what was going to happen. We just thought we were having savant all of a sudden it serious. By documentary came out again to rave reviews, I mean Rave Skull. The were very successfully. I'm working on the movie of my life. Now, of course, I'm like gigging right now but I think if it goes ahead, the gigs going to start again in September. So I work all the time I am a working recess what I am and we're now writing songs for the next dumping together and we've done fourteen already. Do you ever regret that leather became your trademark i? Mean doesn't that get hot onstage I? Do make the joke sometimes, I, right? How dumb I chose the heaviest since dramatically, Bass. Guitar End the hottest outfit. How dumb I in. No you know I. Don't know I just. It's funny. It's funny to that happened. I'm so used to wearing it now and it actually y'all keeps me fit to tell you the truth. You Know How many seventy year olds you know. They can jog five miles. How many seventy year olds are sixty, nine laskey guard. Did you know that new to our show on stage with the jumpsuit and the Bass Guitar? And be jogging around and singing and playing a do everything I do and I'm not a I'm not a quiet performer and not even be out of breath at the end of the show sounds like rock and roll is keeping you young. It is. That's what it is. My husband gets quite annoyed. Why are you out of breath? Sorry. But I'm not going back to the question of boiling down your life to a documentary. Were there things that you wanted in there or things that you wanted to express that you weren't able to and the time that was allotted? No. In fact, it was quite nice. Long documentary. I think we covered everything sufficiently. I've said everything. I, wanted to say the record was put straight. You saw me warts and all which is what I wanted I am pleased I'm so pleased with how we did it. I think created a work of Art Egypt, bloody great job with Quadra. Thank you so much. This was such an honor to talk with you my pleasure. Thank you very much. needed. How did you guys meet we met? Was a Timika with this met true of mutual friend who is doing I think was was shooting at and it was a mockumentary that ended up with thirty or forty people contributing and and that was, and we just remembered each other or lame. Have another partake in which he he was talking to me about a few years ago, and that was said that was struggling a little bit and then out of the Blue Co from high up at Mit Suzy quattro and she's a great still film. Liam, how did you come up with the idea of doing a SA- quattro documentary at the time? I. Was definitely on the hunt for a a music by documentary, 'cause being a musician lactate. I just had a real affinity for the subject and they're real curiosity about the lives of fraud. And, and I was really just looking for a suitable subject really in my in my periphery and a mutual friend suggested that you had done a documentary on Susie quattro and media reaction was, will I'm not really I die hard fan I'm not sure how I would do that, and then I actually set up for a couple of days and I thought I hang on a minute. You know I could actually bring a real interesting perspective object. To this, and so I guess sort of re reevaluated my feelings about Suzanne listen to more music. I thought. No, this is really good. She's got an interesting story and and I knew that the that the magnitude of the project what I perceived it to be was too big. On and anew tight was a real gun at this sort of stuff. So that's when I I reached out and said, Hey, look what I got tate. How did you end up becoming a producer? Bands when I was really young started quite young. Fifteen to. Twenty six PAS and somewhere in my mid twenties I, started working in the film industry. But actually seen in distributions are I've really professionally worked in film the whole time, but I did all these other things distribution running cinemas, distributing films. To producing the whole the time. Of course, you know when you're into music, you're into music is like it's a lifetime. It's a long watched sentence. So and played for. Longtime. During my. Garage but. Old enough to been around the time when Susie broke. And as you can probably tell from the film, Suzy was huge. Rocks in the. GEICO. So I was very aware of her. Love and was very aware of her career and because she still. Irregularly this some guy. Hit. The law, he's got like a a website, every international tour. Every International Addison's posed world to, and he claims his Susie Quattro to add more than anybody even Abba. Wow. So suzie would. Like everyone career as a low forties. Now, we scenery winds even within the strategy. She would be doing not great venue back in the nineties. Something that doing maybe not the venues plan to a few hundred people and last year, she was playing ship thousand people again in all the major cities. Sent me a baby boom nostalgia kind of white. Went shows what we really love. We went to know people of all ages obviously. Parents who bring their kids? And twenty something since she's just. Voice. Related Tour Israel kind of guitar based Hard Rock. That's why we see hood yet in so much. In the film we flirt with a sinks about the way, she's the saved in different places and he is she saying as the hard rock at Liam. This wasn't your first documentary. Can you tell me a little bit about king of the mountain it was completed, but unfortunately to all sorts of issues including licensing costs that was shelved, I just feel a very natural affinity with the documentary foam doubled with drama and comedy and. And things like that, and you know my background is music video predominantly. But the just seems to be some kind of some paddock with me and documentaries I, really enjoy them I enjoy the process and I enjoy peeling the layers on subjects and getting to the heart of the story and more. So than perhaps other persuading people have done because I was never, I never wanted to do a you know straight music documentary. Due to churn out most of the mindset of based on tragedy of posthumous theme. and. I thought it was a real challenge to do on somebody who was very much alive and kicking, and almost catching a second wave of the career you know writing and so to speak. So you know that's that's a real challenge. That's really interesting A. so once you decide that you're going to make this who said that you met with Susan and I'm curious what her reaction to that proposal was. Oh I think suzy's very much a a fifty veteran of the industry. So. She's very protective defensive of her legacy of you like, and so I, think it was a lot of doing informing between her to sort of build a certain amount of trust that she was putting this in the right hands of myself tight. You know I knew it'd be a challenge, I knew it would take a while to repeal layers and get behind the mosque so to speak, but I was confident that we could do it, 'cause rating her autobiography. I could tell that she wasn't obviously a a shrinking violet and she wasn't going to. Put a spin on on the truth. So there was really just a matter of building that actual trust foundation to know film into make it work, but on the other things about the taking sidelong complaints. was actually in some respects, it was A. Drag. For. It gave us his ongoing access to Susie. interviewed many times a maybe four years. Alright. Run up towards the end members another. So she, she had more access to us as well. She got to Noah's bed. She understood the shown by the end sheet necessarily understood the film. She'd already seen Kat, and we could keep digging in digging. Thunderstorms. Anything that we were missing the narrative. We came back probably seven interviews I. Think we probably did with her either in different countries of for years you know we head to get past the Slam was sort of alluding before. She had these. She's told this story. So many times, can you imagine you? So. We had to get past the. Narrow vision that she's just naturally comes out push. That was the indirect in a benefit of taking style film. Exactly. We always wanted to get to the subject we knew because. She is and she's very driven and she we knew that she donald is different things that you've been living in a musical theater. Writing, and publishing, poetry. Letter, rockstars. Do that. That was a really nice device, the idea of her poetry throughout and just kind of framing up different moments of her life with that. Those very clever creatively speaking what she does his maybe unconsciously vary off the moment very biographical. So if you look at the susie songs and what she was recording through Korea, there were almost chapter mocks of wishy was at that time what she was. was experiencing and that's true of the poetry as well. So it was a real blessing to be able to utilize not only the songs, but they poetry paces as chapters almost as as indicators. How did you finally manage to break through that facade? I'm very curious that was it just a matter of the time or were there certain things where you're able to find the connect with her and? Where you would actually be like, oh, I'm seeing something that I haven't seen before. Well, we were quoting. At a house England tight, titus titus joined us for that. Journey that that particular trip. On the I is filming. We felt like we weren't getting anywhere. You we had. We had the crew that we at the lights there and too tight. Actually suggested at the end of that day that maybe you know I would come back the next day just by myself and leave the crow at home, and I would just do the town on the lights by myself and that was really. Really. The breakthrough moment because then it became much more of a conversational pace between two friends if you like we would just in this room alone together for hours, and that's when she really opened up because she wasn't performing for the camera anymore all for the people in the room. She was just having a very honest sincere compensation and I think at that moment, it was a good. Start. By by tight to suggest that, I knew at that moment, we definitely had to fill more than a film. You know something that was really interesting with those subsequent interviews. Did you leave everybody at home or was she more comfortable now, if say take came with you I, think a trigger point of trust at a point. So it really. Didn't matter who was there after that. It became just very. Open Dialogue Ev like that was my most enjoyable part of the experience was at those moments. Liam said that he's not a fan, but are you a fan of Susie quattro or were you fan of her work before we started this project? I was definitely aware of old through the seventies Emma, monsters, Fan. Now, I mean, we've met the we. Of course, working working on it for so long. and. Revisiting old the Cheerio as we need. I come to really loves the most of the album's has certainly better than others in near a couple lighter evening into the I, guess it's ninety. She's go get a bit soft, but that's records. They're also incredibly while produced. Chapman's genius. And I realized lighted no-one covers the songs because they really had to reproduce this a few producing tricks that Lenny and suzy talk about talks about. Spades out in the filling, they sped it up a tiny bit that he would double-track gets house and just lift the drums right up in the knicks like drums, the dominant instrument. He doubled treks is he says, he's bottles, things like this. Head on. He said before and I just always knew there was something special about those records. But the my favorite song of all, honestly ease actually ballard. That might Chapman road. Golfing Detroit city, which is like Cruzi. MOTOWN. Of. Big that it's just love and that was was that lane quite recent run. In the last five years ago. She did that with Mike as a net on full the box set release of the the complaint. And it was just it's a wonderful kill baseline. And surprisingly micro the lyrics to it. You would imagine that Susie writing those lyrics this so personal and so autobiographical, but it was actually my dependent and. Obviously, he knows her because he absolutely nailed it. What were some of the biggest challenges Liam that you had making this documentary I, think because challenge and I think it's true of any filmmaker wherever you are not as financing especially when you're dealing with. A subject matter that request much licensing and emissions and disowns alone. If you don't know who to talk to. If you don't know which in attracts decrease, you're just paying through the noise for this stuff and. It's very prohibitive if you don't get the support in the and the investment required a lot of. Similar documentaries stole exactly because of that reason, and certainly my experience what had to have been tough too because of the appoint out in the documentary that she was switching labels quite often get some missy time even says individual. Not Be licensed by Trae your four different parties. Now because people done how the deals like Niki, Chins publishing is handled by somebody else for North America. Trust like that. That is true that in a way that was the hottest thing because we got fantastic access everyone we approached with one exception was happy to talk to us a night at work into the schedule because they all. Tune Blue Suzy's role in new. The new has significant style a happy to testify to that, and that was that I thought that would be the hot bit but not Alice and Henry Winkler and John that was actually easy. Organizing. Schedules. That was not matter I mean, we checked John Jet and the schedule two threes. The irony was we ended up interviewing here on touring Melbourne five minutes from my office. Get. And Alice to remember album at the at the venue funding. From the office. So we had some some good fortune fortunate again through the benefit of having time where we eventually whited mankind to us, enthusiasm willingness to sort of participate as simply because I altered. Recognize that suzy had been sort of unfairly marginalized in her legacy kind of pushed aside and said I. think that's why you know they put their hand up and just said, yeah, windy want us. It's price. Price Titan myself immensely because we did think that was going to be a real challenge, but it it wasn't that was easy pot while I'm sure that the licensing couldn't have been a surprise to you as as how difficult that was the was there anything that kind of shock to you? As far as we thought, this was going to be the simple thing, and then it ends up being the hard. Thing. was wanting to find an area that wasn't. You know that everyone had not seen. You know that was. Licey allies. Each one hour television invasion would have had a the number of individuals in. The number of salt. Witnessed, Yaakov research that would be. I realized in the issued era, Google era people I used to sing with interior, but they see a low resolution on the computer in looks okay. But they don't understand the film. You've really got to try and get the regional based quality scans and things like that, and sign with music video clips from sites in the appearances or whatever the between about material from the seventies and eighties in a Lotta that was at disappeared and was lost the. BBC. Famously reused videotapes. Anyone to that era just. Whole feature films, TV movies, there were erased by the. Gardening potent stuff. This subject matter was. That will not be the head I. we we kind of expected a spas. Thing was at some point in the middle of the process started pitching film. When we're talking to Americans issue of Suzy's confused identity really came up. I had people tell me as looking at a five of Suzie I had charity. Now that's John and. Researching for three years. And they're trying to tell me it's just you. Really. So that thing that John which we did not prompt with. John. makes. Commun- about people used to come up to me and say, hey, thinking I was happy dies. We didn't trump that she. She called at that. That's exactly what we experienced. So then we realized and I'm not just saying this 'cause we're talking to you now. I think. Of. The white through the. Editing of the film change the direction little bit. We felt that we will making film to. North. America. Because we had history that needed to be rewritten correct. The deputy. I'm really important to me and and the fact that she's from Detroit Notre Essex. Manches from Detroit just makes it even more desire plunged in Detroit is so important. It. Might have potential delays me wherever we are when embassies token, she's token about how? He's in Detroit. I was her family to deal with. Family are actually really lovely people. Assist is lovely people to a fault. I mean I, really enjoyed their company and very willing to sit down and talk. It's interesting to obviously the way they come across from the documentary because you know, Italian American families are very vocal. It's a strange dynamic. That's. To the outside, it may seem little abrasive or unsympathetic, but that's just really the dynamic of the family and I guess we'll have different dynamics and each family. So to outside as we all probably look at it or whatever in that context I understand. I got some insight into that dynamic and Just. A very honest vocal talion. American family who talk with the hands you know and I know that they've probably been a little. Taken. Aback, I guess by the the reaction of the film and I know that there's a little. Tension with Susan Assistance still to this day does exist and I'm not sure if that will ever be resolved, I have no idea Abbott. Just, very honest family, even when the camera's rolling. Frankness really appreciated. It's Nancy youngest sister who says, and people often misinterpret what she says. Yes. This I will never be fan as his trial and then she she qualified that by saying you know I love with. What she's generally things. I'm not a fan. Heck. Can I be East? We have a deeper different. Dynamic. She's not being nasty. She's just being really honest. It was a surprise to that you know women that I would still have this lingering. Resentment almost. Sister had success that you know maybe that had really wanted as well. Never. Mind that these would still be. Stating. Clearly. But now in reflection, totally get it. I think a few people have mentioned to seeing the film that were like, wow, I found stuff with a sisters. Really Kinda saddened fascinating and. We should kind of delve into that a bit more and and I thought well I. Don't think may all tight one to exploit that. Iva, obviously, you WanNa talk about it and touch upon it and. Examine it, but I think there was we wanted to pull back a little and not exploited that it'll be to voyeuristic about it because there was a lot of trust involved in. Sitting down with him and talking about this, and ultimately, you know this, this is suzie story yet that was on mind first and foremost. How do we? How do we handle that specific topic in the film? What's going to be so difficult for you guys to. Take a woman who's had this long career this great life, and try to condense that down into ninety minutes for four feature documentary. I mean, there are so many different routes can go when it comes to your research in. So many different things that you can choose to show dot, what was your original cut of this movie like and what some of the things I always talk about how you kill your babies. You know what? For some of those babies that you had to kill along the way? Well, the future directors cut will be six hours long so. It was very difficult as we call it drowning. Nice poppies. Because in all honesty, you know it could be two hours long quite easily we. Our Cot when it was more than, you know bit more than this sort of a rough cuts, more than an assembly and that was three hours and then we just. Hundred, why at that? What do we have to lose a supposed division? which was weeks lauded in Millennia? Why? Through the nineties ending to the noughties? And that? Can compress so live, we spent so much time in the early period because we felt gone back to what? I saying about. Realize we had to maybe redressed some history with in North America, we wanted to plant the seeds of that. The origin of the in pleasures say is in sixties and Suzy's rise in the early seventies to cement the sense of she was. She was I. Have people telling Y'all you. But what about hot and what about the runaways on guys, guys? History is just fact. Do you want me to fill out. So that's the on the other hand, we wanted to back that up, which is why we have that passage in the film where we do restaurants until about the women going right back to like big number. Who Played. Guitar for us, the defining element singer being Playa in a rock band pulp. Even Grace Slick. We're lucky hippie folk. Jefferson. Airplane. Band with electric, guitars. Love. Leak but. It's really there's really only Janicki. comes. And we just wanted to get a history rod, but when you say Thornton wearing her best Sunday dress. Looks like she's gone to church and she's playing that beautiful white gives an S J and she's on filthiest dirtiest blues you gotTa. You gotTa have some respect for that. She's just. Well. Tell me a little bit of the history of the film because I know that it's. It's shown in Australia and I'm curious where else at shown what the reaction has been so far. We permeated in Melbourne at the Melbourne, International Film Festival back in August. Wasn't it tight? Yeah and their reaction from the get go was phenomenal to me. anyways. I. I was just taking it back by the positivity and the reaction from people. And then took to the UK Amid a cinema on there in the UK with a number of screenings, and then it went to Germany Italy. Am I right here. Yeah, well, then it was festival side. What you went to that one in Hof and then is A. Music. Series officials type place in various places called edit that was on a bus Alana. All site lot applied in trade, and then we've done sows to Japan and just film just alcon Germany the cinemas are Enrique. Offer the. So obviously like everyone. In the last four months everything was disrupted including the American release. American. Distributor had already way back in March had twenty five cities booked for cinema release. Suzy was gonNA come I think those festival American premier was going to be at cinema in California that is about March. Susie was booked to calm just everything, of course. Canceled it's already played in Holland on on television and to number you're paying countries. North America rain summarizes. Weirdly, is important. I think have more residents. which is really curious to see how people will realize we save it. It's kind of like her career. It looks like you cello. Number, one over here. Number one over here, all these different places and then comes to American. It's like didn't even chart so hopefully. We'll be able to crack the charts with this documentary. I think what's pleasing is with the initial. Response from reviews and critics. Thus, far with with S- America is I was very apprehensive as to how they would handle it how they receive it. They would understand it okay or even that particular reaction has been phenomenal. Their view is actually understand what the film's about. They understand. The intent actually understand that suzy's has been marginalized in an criminally forgotten and that it's time to celebrate her again, and that gives me real. Hope you know that maybe we have sort of. Got It right, Liam. Tate, thank you so much. Re Time. This was a real pleasure talking with you guys. Your thank you. At. Studios. Judy. Nights. Shorts. Route. On it. Stand. The Shadow. We are back and talking about Susie Cube, so I did have the question and I think I've already got my answer as far as you need to be a Susan Fan to enjoy this movie I. Don't think any of us were suzy. Fans. Like I mean talking about fans earlier. But I don't think we were like hardcore fans of susie before watching this film Ivan elected think that you could sort of cy. I've never heard of music. Oh, I, got particularly care for the music, but still find this film fascinating. That's really what a documentary. Never a music documentary should be able to do you come in not caring for the subject matter? I. Mean I know people who say that that I particularly like watching sport that some of the greatest documentaries that they've same. Sporting related films, and I think the same should hold true with a really good music documentary real I, think that the layman tight. Got, this right I edited right end. Just Suzy Quattro is a fascinating musician. She's a fascinating person, and this is something they about well, this music career, but this the human side of it, you know this is. The scenario that she faced with her sisters. Really need to be any sort of music fantasy. So to be able to relate to that it's just the story of someone who believes that she should have made it bigger than she did this a quite early on. Maybe. Lighten the film with She says, it's important to be validated by the ones that you love the most that's universal, and that is to allow the extent the theme of the film. So the I definitely think that. Dominate to be a suzy courtrai fan. Even she is said to sign. It seems like if Americans still died. I think anyone who likes well told story should be able to get into this I agree and I will say I, I, am not a Susie quattro expert. But I am definitely a fan enough fan that I do own a t shirt. That is true. I do have a suzy quattro t shirt. But also even in New York City I can guarantee you plenty of people see that and it's it's definitely obscure thing to wear. They don't go well. Cool. Suzy quattro shirt release, most people don't but I. I agree with you. I. Think this documentary does one of the best things a music documentary can do, which is introduced people to something who may know nothing about in your right that unfortunately she was never huge in the states and I hope that this film helps i. hope in particular that young girls and young women see this because she deserves much more attention than she's got in here and I think as an introduction of this movies of really really great start for anybody who's interested. As soon as he said Morris, this film is an introduction to someone that you might not know who she is in that. The best documentaries are the way that you know. You might not know the subject matter matter I immediately thought of, Joe. Brian. Adt The documentary about Joe Breath. The quote unquote the American Bowie I had no idea who Joe Brian was just a friend of mine Dion, from Toronto, who's been on the show before he recommended this documentary. Documentary to me, and he started to tell me a little bit. But I was like, no, no, don't tell me too much, and just I was exposed to this whole thing. I had no idea who this person was and it just as absolutely fascinating story, I would say the same thing for the Klaus Nomi documentary like I know a little Klaus Nomi as far as you know, lightning strikes as cover of that and seeing him in something like Erga. Music War. That's IT and so denault the entire or what they fit into the documentary that Klaus Nomi story was like. Wow. So I agree like checking out documentaries about people who you may not know. It's weird because if you think about any. Quote. Unquote regular documentary. Think about something like you know the three complete strangers like, okay. I don't know what the story is going to walk in I'm going to see this and be fascinated by it i. don't know why we would necessarily only want to see music documentaries about people that we already know especially because if you're like me, you just sit and bitch about the things that they missed whereas with this. I don't know what they missed that a Susan's life because like you said, I'm not a fan. So there could be whole chapters. It's like I really wish they would have covered when she did X. Y. and Z.. Too stupid to know that they're not doing that. So I sit in a blissful little bubble. Enjoy what I see was Suzie Q. Because I was riveted the entire time on the very first episode of safe here. It was Tim's choice and keep pick highlighted the Allen story now, I, didn't. I, didn't even know who JJ Allen was at the time and a watch, his documentary, and musically that was not my thing at all, but the film was absolutely fascinating. Once again, a great story is a great story told in. Say. Kind imagine why anyone would just sort of wants to. Sarah, I'm going to stick with my bobble in I. Know this band. So I WANNA watch documentary media. There's nothing wrong with watching documentaries about musicians, your love. Of course, they often who that things around at the another a few years ago. My son Mex-. Britain said to me how you should watch this documentary metal evolution. By the Canadian documentary in. San Done, and it was like a whole Tinpot TV series in a case of the few besides we're gonNA, be up, my. Alley. metal in the early seventies metal. But certainly as it goes through the ID's and into the nineties and am beyond. Musically. Is Definitely not my thing, but every second of that TV series. So interesting. It's not just about not knowing enough EST, it can be a documentary about something that you don't even necessarily care about. Once again, store is a great story. I. WanNa think my co hosts, Morrison Leon Leeann. What have you been up to during lockdown Sir I, just finished editing a feature documentary called the big? Johnson. which is directed by a really fun woman who's originally from your New York named Lola Rock and roller That's currently in post production, but look for hopefully in the near future also doing some pro bono editing for. For, political organizations right now just stay in shape and keep my sanity and I'm very slowly working on my next, my own documentary of you want to know more about who I am or what I've been up to. Lately. The best thing you can do is check out Leon, chase dot com even made a little bit of splash got picked up by a couple online places for the new edit bladerunner you did. You WanNa, talk about crazy ideas that I never would have done. If I had absolutely nothing to do with my time, the then accidentally became. One of I. Mean. In terms of numbers is probably one of the most successful things I've ever made. which is weird I've also learned that there are people out there who really really really don't like if you play around with their favorite movies, well I saw it and I loved it and I think calving. Nathan. Johnson. As one of the replicant was really good idea Morris, how your projects going. That's the beautiful thing about podcasting as long as you have skype changes during this period. So. Look this maps we got. The love that album. Bay speaking to a solid who was the first? Manager of Support Convention. One of my listeners said look. I'm a friend of his fellow. Would you like to speak to well? Helmet staple convention fantasy. Huge Richard, Thompson fans put me in touch with them. We'll be recording that next week in. He's done a lot of other things that are fit for related beyond his time managing themselves. The interesting to get his perspective on what the Psych Music Saint of England was like in the mid sixties in parallel to the rock and roll saint of of the time. He was picked this month and he's picked Never even heard of that was a big Fan of watching seventies, American cinema. He fad film would pay the Fonda and Susan Saint Giants Cope. Outlaw Blues never even heard of it before. Looking forward to getting that a watching the seeing where that goes, watch the trailer and it's looks like it might be a country and Western version of the blues brothers. You know these. Cap is being chased every way by the cops in Bivary pisses them off. But washer film than see with that turns out to be the case I just have to ask do they? 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Mt. Rushmore of Female Rockers (with Miki Black)

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Mt. Rushmore of Female Rockers (with Miki Black)

"Greetings welcome to the Mount Rushmore podcast. My Name Is Jeff and I'm joined as always by my good friends, Richard Aloe and Michael Rich at the near. Richard Michael liked to debate and deliberate the most ubiquitous aspects of give topic, and this week is the Mount Rushmore of female rockers I am the judge, but I am normally but this week I'm the CO judge because on board we have actually a legit. Rockin musician, a young woman has. been a good friend of mine for quite some time who's played in bands and his of super cool. COOL CO judge. Please welcome to the podcast Mickey Black How you doing Mickey. Hello there I am doing wonderful. Thanks for having me. Also, we're very happy to have you here. Mickey. You've you've. Worked in various aspects of industry of Entertainment could you describe what you've done and what you do and social handles for people to find you? Will I kind of threw myself into everything I could entertainment. Wise. Musically, I've been a musician since I was little and then I. made it out to California and and got myself in a band playing guitar I got into modeling and. Acting stuff and they're just. Playing around and kind of. Run the, gamut on hold thing. Awesome, well. We are very excited to have you. Here on the podcast and I will say, I've heard a mickey shred and awesome although very humble and always learning and honing your skills. So, we are going to jump into the Mount Rushmore of rockers but I I want to ask. Mickey did you ever set out to be a female of musician or just a musician? Well back in the stone. Age. When I first started. Ask. Your weren't many. Female rockers. Like, especially, guitarist and I played lead guitar. So it was very few and so I did set out to be a female rock musician. Make a point that Lilly yeah because. When I started playing in Illinois. Springfield. Illinois. And there was A. A couple of us that even there was only a couple of girls that even played electric guitar. It was hats sparse wasn't that eighty. Eighty seven, eighty, seven. Yeah. That's when I started. Also. So it was something in which you were trying to. Raise awareness and that in this somewhat male, the Sausage Party of rock and roll had room for for kick ass gals to come in. Yeah. I just I I wanted to make a mark and I wanted to play. Electric. Guitar. I also listen to mostly male dominated rock and heavy metal see. So that's kind of where that stemmed from. So it wasn't initially I just happen to be a female. If our a guy would have been the same exact thing but I was like, okay, I'm a chicken. I want to play the guitar so. On. I would love to as the conversation evolves to find out. Have you ever had any friction nerdy dude like or Gals in entertainment Iraq have a problem with you being in that position. Now not necessarily where I was. Kinda talk down to I was getting hit on. That was kind of an issue sometimes I felt like I might not have been. You know there's an agenda you know. To some but. Luckily I feel I feel pretty pretty good about Harbin treated in the industry. Awesome. Okay. Cool So I would love to talk more about what makes a female rocker rocker I would also just like to say that we try to be very woke pros here on Mount, Rushmore podcast and part of this is to draw attention to the fact that women are very much a part of the entertainment industry and very much of music and can very much rock and don't always get the. Optics that they deserve. So that's the reason for even a designating this topic, the Rushmore of female rocker. So E-? Michael you're going to go first with your first choice on amount rushmore of MARACAS. What is it? Okay Super. My first choice was susie sue from the band. Susan. The creatures I mean it was pretty amazing that In, the patches were able to find a lead singer with that first name. What a coincidence? PUT, an ad out Your band is Susie and the and the aggies and then. yeezy sue comes in she's like what are the odds and you're just like I? Think you know Your name is Fred and the Baynes held right said Fred Oh my. Happen. She she later went onto form. Two bands I mean she was at the lead singer of obviously of of the benches, but then she also with her husband budgie. had another band called the creatures which was a little bit different but susie is so amazing as A. Woman for. Everything she's done. Like this constantly. Mutating punk rock new wave goth kind of voodoo exotic thing. And that's just like the image that she kinda changes and Projects like on stage, but then she has this amazing voice that Kinda. Can Be very deep and very haunting but then kind of get really high up there and just she can just. Just really belted out as just like a rock on stage and you know back in the. Late seventies when punk rock started England. And new. York you know I'm sure that she was one of very few like. PUNK rock singers That was the had a woman is the front you know maybe There are a few others but you know. In air that was then dominated by sure the sex pistols. The ramones and who knows. Who else you know here comes this woman that is just She's just out of this world and everything that she does and I I just love. How she has kind of constantly I think this is a theme that seems to happen in a lot of my choices. It's just kind of evolved within. moved in the music industry You know one of their first big songs spellbound is just like this kind of. the benches is just like this kind of driving. Super Frenetically paced. like new wave song, and then you get to some of their later work like I'm peekaboo and it's just like this kind of. Looping of sounds like it's played backwards. Big Accordion Song which just like these kind of seemingly Fu type lyrics at. Its end she can cover both so well, and I just think she is just incredible. Coal. Suzy was on the. was part of the interview the sex pistols did with. The environment of you that he did they did on British television where they started swearing and can the whole thing went off the rails she was part of the not really part of the group that she was part of the social circle. So they had her on the air and actually the host what kind of set everyone off the host of Leering at her the making these kind of rude comments to her and then that's what got everyone else. So upset. She obviously doesn't need anyone to defend her she can defend herself very well. Thank you very much. Oh. Wow. So it was kind of the sexism what I think of of. I was Michael's almost bring the one of the interesting aspects of punk which was. A musical phenomenon breaking norms and trying to challenge norms and but yet. Like a lot of Like a lot of musical groups that was still. They were still often dominated by mail frontman but. Yeah it's funny thing to see to think of them. The ramones is coming to your defense. Nights in shining armor. Well, one of the things about Susie like Michael said is I teach very much chameleon. And that was very much at the vanguard of whatever the times were. You know peekaboo something Michael mentioned. That's a dance. Rely. A lot of ways and you contrast that with a lot of the earlier staff whether it's punk or whether it's Proto off. You know she was just she is somebody who had has the ability to be able to understand where the cultural geist is going. Yeah, and really fucking nail it. Yeah. When one of my one of my favorite like a Susan? Was that standpoint point like You know the cure was pretty big at the time to and at some point Robert Smith just kind of. started playing with the band bands as well as just like their guitarists and so he would for them with the cure and then would wander back on stage. You know after the break and pick up the guitar and we just like they're they're touring guitarist for a period that they were what they're so much bigger than the cure for a little bit of time that he was just like Oh. Yeah. The Cure is opening for Susie, but then he was just like going back and forth between them I'd be interested if in any of the choices, the pick for a female rockers. Are Are they all. The guitars and was susie Sue garth guitarist. I don't believe. So I think she was just a lead singer, but you know there's there's so many there's so many artists that play music. on. An album. But just don't onstage. We'll have like a tour and guitar she. She might. I'm sure contributed musically it's. Just as so many. Sting singers do but I don't ever remember seeing her with the guitar you know funny effort. I actually had a look that up myself because I was like which one do I don't know it doesn't you know it's not like it's a deciding factor, but I did find some pictures of her with guitar. So maybe she did once in a while playing. I I am interested in what does a female rocker make and does it need to be a front person maybe does it need to be a person actually writes singer-songwriter actually writes the music I don't know could be. I think we all know it when we see it like. Of Somebody, who encapsulates the anger and aggression of rock and roll old for sure I think so or are kick and can command a stage in an audience. So men Freddie what's your first choice I'm going to work backwards from most recent to earliest. So my first one is Saint Vincent. Around, also on my list, oh? Okay. Right. Not Surprising. You're know you're a big fan of hers. No most of us know her as one of his players. Although that was. True yes. She was one of the. For a while she was one of the. Fifty, or sixty band members of. polycom. And the Alto. Yeah. I I was in the polyphonic spree. We've talked about on the show that it's hard for. A breakthrough. Forty five I just Kinda got this block in front of me. That's just really hard to penetrate. Saint. Vincent's one of the exceptions to the rule. I just find her to be so fascinating talk about her as a singer songwriter a very accomplished guitar player as well. Yeah. For sure somebody who's I think is I think of as an iconic and a lot of ways like they're her songs sound different than anyone else's songs. Like I can you can hear a Saint Vincent Song and pretty much immediately lock into it that it's a Saint Vincent Song. much the sort of. Combination kind of Edgy Rock. Art Rock with some dance elements to ego. Can have. Art Pop and element to it as well. I would say. You. Know I think I think of her I. Think it's very interesting that I know Michael You saw her tour David Word Right. Yeah. I've seen her play solo a couple of times in different concerts and then saw her when she did the the the David Byrne thing at the Hollywood bowl. Yeah and I think I. Think for in some ways as being. SORT OF A. An error to the throne of David Byrne from talking heads if you will. I think they both have very. Unique styles a very herky-jerky under those not very angular guitars. And I just. I just think she's she's one of the most talented musicians of our generation full stop male female I don't care. She definitely you know being having seen her in concert a couple of times. A or I saw in concert like on either side of playing with David Byrne and. Her her kind of Art Rock Low rock'n is definitely. At tuned up I wonder if it was just being exposed to whatever. Radiation David Byrne gives off is ahead. Yeah she she got secondhand Burns but she's just so phenomenal as like a state, each performer with there's a certain sense of like a choreography that she has within each album. She just keeps kind of changing and adding just such depth as a performer as a Qatari. I believe she has kind of designed her own guitars because she was kind of fed up with the way that guitars were built for like a man's body never considered to be built for a woman's and sheet just like. She has like Saint Vincent, style guitar that you designed and built with them. I can't remember who was it with, but she's just like that's how into it she is She is just A. So good just so You know Michael kind of brought up an interesting aspect of. Actually Richard I think started by talking about how kind of calcified ones musical tastes become after certain age. Any new music has to compete with the best of four decades worth of music and it's hard to the door to. Just kind of trying something because it's it's almost like every meal. Every new meal has to be better than every meal that you ever had better than the best one. So I I, I've fascinated by the role of the female rocker and all the things that Saint Vincent has to be before some people will let her just rock. You know like you have to be attractive you have to have an interesting visual not have to help if you have an interesting visual presence to cut through this kind of Very, image based. Marketing strategy that that people have. You have to. Maybe be be unique enough to find some kind of new way to sell the this idea of this rock and roll medium through really kind of. It's almost one hundred years old so. Mickey, do you recall it being kind of hard to? To just get out there on stage and do your thing like you have to be have to do so many other things. L.. Because I was involved with so many other things. So kind of. It, all kind of came together. You know like the book. With. I at the time when I was. Really, in the industry doing a lot. Of? People, would kind of come down on me like well, what are you? Are you a model? Are you a musician? It's like they didn't want me to do multiple things. And have them tied together now? It's fine. But it it was weird I have people actually confused by what I was trying to do and I was like, well, I, want to do many things you know. Singer guitarist or this about. So it's times have changed I really feel old these days. Times have changed so much that it's it's very shocking. Now I feel like everything you know you can everything goes you know and there's so many female musicians now like it's it's it's a wonderful thing. Yeah I I will say the the especially in her music video work saint. Vincent. Almost has this. Almost Art School David Byrne very polished. Presence and very. quaffed very presented kind of presence not like like pop star. You would expect from like a Katy Perry or something like that. But it definitely has more of an edge almost like she's channeling Patti Smith or something like that along along the way there's there's something Lynch ea and David Lindsay in about a lot of her music videos. Yeah I. Think it's intentional. Yeah. So. Cool. So I'll. Right. You guys are something Laos checking out her guitar appliance. Really unique. Really. impressed. And I think she the one that was on the grammys I was really really. Yeah there was a video that I clicked on. where she's she showing a guy, her different voicing chord fingerings and the guys trying to figure out like what? What the heck are you playing so Odd, but in a good way. Definitely, made the instrument her own. Super. Cool. Richard. What do you got? All right. So we go back a little bit. into the eighties and early nineties I am going to choose Axiom Vancouver. Sweet lead lead singer, Co lead singer. Co. Lead Songwriter of the. Beloved Los Angeles. PUNK fan back. Yeah. This is definitely a regional pick for sure. Yeah. Love acts and but this is this is definitely. You gotta be in it. I Really Love Zine an act like if if you're if you grew up within bribing distance of losses. Probably, have several albums you didn't either. You didn't. But you look at a song like Los Angeles which I think is probably the song that most people if they know the next song, that's the song they're going to know. covert with her and her at the time husband. John. DOE and. He's got this. He had this very kind of Greece Cool. kind of vibe to him. He had like greased pompadour need right to have the. That Denim debt lot look denim shirts or unbuttoned. He kind of had that very rockabilly canales singing style to an Xy, was definitely more of an untrained kind of wildcard factor with her singing. she got to be a much better singer as the as her career went on. But it really was about the force of her presence. For the early part of her career. She was someone who was a especially if you watch any of their live shows from that early Yup Nineteen, seventy, eight, seventy, nine around that time period I mean she's just. You can't take your eyes off her. She is like this very like almost violet. ONSTAGE presence. But at the same time, also capable of writing these incredible lyrics. My favorite x songs of song called the have nots. And Sung by John DOE but it's written by accidents or bank. It's this great kind of almost Proto Americana type song. and I just love it and I didn't realize it was an next Britain's on for years. Dose saying it's assumed it was one of his songs. No, it's an ex scenes on. I that. She to me represents. A lot of the best what punk rock could be. I mean her. Her her lyrics and her writing. were very much influenced by. A lot of poets. So. There is something trying to be more aspirational than just. Bashing out these real basic. Lyrics to go along with your three court songs. And I just I just think that she's I think she's fantastic I've seen x life several times. They always put on a good show even though there now probably cheese in their. Sixties at this point. And still able to do it at a at the highest level. Every time I've seen them play so. Yeah. Absolutely. Just a huge fan and therefore a huge axime fan Yeah I. Think. Richard. You're talking about her song racks I've seen her playing guitar least acoustic in some videos. So there's there's that part of my. Theory or the the the the universal theory of of what makes a female rocker. But also that entire band seems to have a deep deep skills a multi instrumentalists in that band do the deep deep skills that bad ass like punk punk bands usually have those kind of chops. So exactly I mean, you've got you have this weird rockabilly guy is your lead guitar player. You've got drummer who also Dabbles a jazz like a silo phoniness in his spare time. All over the place DJ plays clarinet or something. Yeah. That's Such a cool I mickey I think you're from Chicago I'm from Kansas City so x was not part of my vocabulary growing up. What about you? Yeah I'm from Springfield. Springfield. Oh sorry. Cornfield No I did not know of them. But. What I checked out was pretty damn. Cool. And I like you're saying about? The whole like different almost different genres, each musician. Had Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Bringing bringing to the form of Rock, the depth of influence and background. Super Cool. All. Right. So it looks like we are then at our halftime, and at this point, we're going to ask you to go back and download written review previous episodes. We'd appreciate that seriously we do WanNa know what you think Let us know if you'd like something or where we could improve and then go out on our social handles and. Getting a dialogue with US let us know topics for future episodes we really do. Care we really do go out there and read comments and and things we're not too busy leading or celebrity lives to. To. Be In a conversation with the folks that. Listen to our podcast. I live a rock and roll lifestyle. Yes. Got More, important things to do. Let I let my little people handle. Sorry. I'll summarize them when we talk I'll retell lease. So that would be super cool. If you would do that and with that, we are back and we are chatting. About female rockers and we're happy certified female rocker on the line in the form of Mickey Black. Mickey where can people find you are on social media? They can find me. On instagram as Mickey Black official M I K. I black official. And on Facebook, it is reversed official McKee Buck Oh. Cool. So on twitter I I am but I, WanNa away from it. So okay. Yeah it's very good for you. Yeah. I spent the entire trump administration avoiding. Avoiding that platform completely. So a couple things I'm interested in is what you got to be to be a female role and I I will confess that sometimes. It is a cheat I will look up. Whatever that topic is. that is going to be on the Mount Rushmore podcasts. I'll look it up out there. And see what comes up and You know like Stevie Nicks comes up for female rocker or Linda. ronstadt comes for female rocker and I know the they work in the mill, you of rock and roll. But I, don't know if they I don't think they fit this prototype in my brain you know of A. Leather clad black jeans usually Brunette I think I'M GONNA, go four for four on like almost leather clad brunettes for for whatever race. Four though we're missing a big one. Leader afford the blind. Yeah. That's true. Really Excellent Guitarist. Absolutely. So I love to know when things Derek from the form and also not that the Rock Hall of fame is any kind of. Right I know I know but I will say the it is very the women who are in the Rock Hall of Famer. Much, deserving. OF OF THEIR PLACE And but I would I would say that if you defined. What rock is all these influences as big stew of all this different stuff. There are definitely more the early ones at least seated in the kind of the roots of it. So of Aretha Franklin Tina Turner all these women who are in the Rock Hall of fame. Predate punk for the most part. Yeah. But yeah except for one I think who knows we might talk about so. The Thursday archetype and there's as always those things that defy archetypes. Richard No winfield you got. Third Choice is Karen Oh from the US and Herron Oh Just, one of those you know so many of my choices as. You mentioned there definitely is a like a theatricality to it and you know being. Part of rock and roll there is like this. You know the person is a front of the stage and they are just commanding the entire state. It doesn't matter how many members in your hand the US had three members but. They're totally faded to the background the second she walks out on stage and performs just dominates. Everything, and that is such an important part. Being. A rock star and rocker. In this case female rocker, even more deadly. It's just you are there and every the spotlight is on you and you have to. Just rise to the occasion and Karen is just so phenomenal at it, but she has like this. great duality of being. Really tough really intense really loud really brash she is equally just Oh what's the word? She is so vulnerable and I think that. Like in the these kind of great tradition of like. You know. These big rock bands that put out the big heavy songs into they have like these ballads. I think that she does both aspects of like rock and roll so well, and sure she comes out of like. A. New. York. Kind of postponed post new, wave Early. Two thousands of art rock scene to a degree. She just. Sings. So incredibly in so like viscerally and I can tell one story about. Why She possibly. Is Not, stage that I've ever seen this in two thousand four I saw her with the as performance Seattle. and. She came out on stage just tearing it up. At some point two, they started playing a song called Art Star, and this is kind of song that's very starts out kind of like meandering. It's not very. The entire song isn't really elegant. It's kind of like. It's there and it's like making fun of like pomp is our kids are school kids like rich school kids. And then she takes like nearly the entire microphone at least the head of the microphone has the entire thing in her mouth just hands free and just start screaming. The title art starts as if you've ever heard the song it just it's so loud and so vocally. Destroying and it was just the most bad. Thing I've ever seen. I don't know what it was. It was just like. I I'm in all of this person, just the performance of it and I've just loved their music all all of the stuff that they put out with The. I. Guess. except their last album mosquito was kind of not that great but She's been able to kind of. continue as. This amazing kind of front woman but also do like weird stuff with. Spike. Jones she did like Ulta music for where the wild things are, which I thought was kind of just a weird. Music was just. Yet. But. she's. Sung, all the songs for that and the museum was I didn't. Like the movie, all that much and She put out something with danger mouse last year, and a half ago something like that where she just she's very diverse and just I Dunno, she's just she's just awesome I. Love. Just these awesome people that aren't like. Never. Feel stock never feels like. Caught unable to perform in any way and I think that's what kind of rock and roll about. Yeah. That's cool. So I do feel like rock is. Not dissimilar to many other endeavors. One thing I'll say is Rock is kind of an aggressive act or I think performing kind of aggressive act and I think for A. Woman in this unfortunately, this kind of toxic masculine avvenire that have on our culture for woman to command stage and. Demand that every person. Female. Male. A be under her control as the lead singer to own the audience. She almost has to work twice as hard because there's a bunch of dues out there who've got their arms folded or saying you're not Mick Jagger. You can't you get rocked by face offs like Whoa Clearly, this sounds like from the moment you describe with Karen Oh she had the skill she had the charisma shed the energy. And she had the sheer power of will to bend the audience to her. To her. Demands that they take heed of the as ricky. Sorry Micky how many times you find the two of us. I did. Mickey. Tell me what you tell me some rocker role tricks. What what what something you sometimes due to rock out like. Is it head bashing is is there something? Like A. Guitar. Do, a scissor kick and the air or something like that everybody rock. And all. Wish I could jump like David Lee Roth. I actually. I kind of did not I do not move around time I. I am. kind of a STOIC player standing to be a musician in. Head movements are always you know throwing the hair around we gotta do that. But. I'm not a trick person I don't. I'm just a player Mo show, Pony. Up. Though I always. have to have a look. Down it's more. Yeah. I will say that Mickey has maybe underplayed a little bit some of the aspects of her career and modeling and whatnot I think it was on one of her social handles that somebody posted a photo of a tattoo that they got. Of Mickey Black and I think there might be more than one person out there on the planet who has a Mickey Black Tattoo is that right? Maki creepy? Artists Dave Nessler that I worked with for years we would he would paint me and. Somehow, I guess through his the shows that he would do for his art. the Tattoo community picked up, and there's a couple images that one beholding guitar. schoolgirl. School and they got tattooed on probably thirty people with Rafe yet it became a thing. It just became a thing. The images he did were so were. So he just did such a great job there. Almost like logos they almost came there. He painted them very realistically, but the the poses and everything about them was. was just. Like. Wow I don't Wanna say that about myself right Kind of. A loss of words there like. Cool it's a good job. Good. Okay a Richard what. What's your next choice? All right. My next choice is Christie Hind from the pretenders awesome. I felt like. This was this was actually. She was the reason why I came up with this off in the first place. Was I was listening to. I was listening Siriusxm. Can't remember station might have been the eighty station by the. First Day. And Time to be vengeful. And I just thought. That's a great song. I started thinking about all of these other vendors yet. That's a great song. Yeah. That song fucking wall. Yeah that does to. The next thing you know it's just like a dozen songs that are all just absolute. Russia's. Yeah I think. Kristie hinds is one of the most underrated song writers of all time. You know beyond being front woman at a singer in having this very. Distinctive unique vocal style. Where you can hone in on what a hines songs set worded pretender song sounds like you know immediately because of her voice I just think as a songwriter you know she's Just a great rock and roll song writer and I know that she kind of came up in the she was in English. She's an American who was in England during the Punk Rock Movement. And that's kind of weird. The types of clubs where she got her START I don't consider them to be a punk band. I don't consider them to be a new wave band. I. Think they're just. A? Top Five time rock and roll, band. You know. For me at least would certainly be in that in that conversation I I just. I think her ability to write a to just a writer riff. Is Pretty unparalleled. MIC Area? Fan I am a fan. Yes. I I am definitely fan. And I think. Her style is in its very commercial. I. Mean I guess this stuff I know Gosh I probably shouldn't say that there's probably a lot that's not But Yeah I'm definitely. been a fan for many years. I think finding twenty her and petty were people who had found success and an audience in England, and then were then transported over to the US as what felt like a new wave group until people of realize what they know this guy from Gainesville birth, right? L. From Ohio. Yeah, yeah but both the pretenders and Tom Petty I remember my brother who was we talked about a lot on the show was my my older brother who is the cool music conduit for me they were to more of what you would call classic rock artists that he kind of was like yeah. They're cool. They they were. They were the rock band that the new wave kids could still get behind. The rockets. Yeah. In hinde has also always kept up some of these I don't know how far I don't know. She was on campus during Kent State like. When you hear. Joe Walsh. Yeah, Mark Mother's Bra of Devo talk about these Ohio area musicians who impacted by. Students being murdered the protests. And Christie Hi has always retained her A politics as a big part of her songwriting but also Injecting them with these heartfelt soulful soulful. Topics like. Kid. Talk of the town you know like the. Brass in pockets like just such heartfelt. You know you're bad ass. When you can go on stage in bare your soul like that and your lyrics just aren't a fuck you a shield that you put up. Between yourself and your audience. So Yeah, she's always been and she's playing those rhythm refs. Talk of talent as her. It's that's her rhythm guitar. It's not like she's delegating that responsibility somebody else even onstage now so I think that's pretty cool. She's like Chuck Berry, she's a great rhythm guitar player Yeah Truck Areas what was not a great lead guitar player I? Don't remember Christiane playing a lot of lead. But there's something to be said for being a great Rhythm Guitar Player. That's a hard. It's a very hard thing to do and I think she's really underrated really great at it. So a Mickey. I want. To make sure that we don't get all. This is not the man's planning episode of them are. GonNa Man Spin Female Rock Rockers to folks I WANNA, make sure that before we get off, you inject the conversation with some female rockers that you might be afraid we won't mention and I think lead afford was one that you brought up a can you tell me about her her? was she a group perhaps before she went out And the runaways. Yes. Cool. What do you like about leader for? The, US back in the day I was kind of A. An asshole. I I was like. I was into such all the male groups, iron. Maiden. Ozzy. Black. Sabbath. Lot of classic stuff. Zeppelin and and. Judas priest brush, and for some reason I, don't know why I wasn't actually into the. Female rockers. It was weird and one I. Finally was like, why? Why am I doing that? I. Hate attention and realize some are pretty amazing and need a Ford is. The guitar is what is impressive to me her guitar skills. And then heart go. Yeah. Yeah. Both amazing. Just absolutely. Amazing Loan away by an Wilson's voice I mean to can. You can top that really. Everett's. And Joan Jett. See I didn't like just actually. This is why this is a real reason. Every time I would tell people that I'm play Guitar they would always say Joan Jett, every Oleg Joan I have black hair just happened to be. That's who they could think of Lita Ford Joe Jett where the to back in the eighties. That were out there in terms of I'm talking about just rockers heavy metal rock. And and So I was always compared to them and it started. mink. It I'm not saying I played you know like them it was just I, I'm female rocker. So that's who they're going to categorize me. So I started getting Mike now I'm me you know. Stupid. Really, and then I learned to really really respect them. So yeah. Jets another one. That's amazing. Of course, Stephen Nex. Love her amazing. So. Yeah. I'm going back to the you know the classics then we've got Debbie Harry Blondie oh. Yeah. She's she's another Ohio and she and Ohio and Pittsburgh in now that and that now it was funny because when I was looking up. Just to refresh you know who or even see who who considered rock I was getting discussed it and I knew this was going to happen because Madonna's name popped up. I'm like, Oh, I have ever levine. Now, why? Really. Annoyed. Because some of the names pop enough of Mike. That is not cool. So it was very, very interesting. Okay. Michael. Winfield. What is your final choice end and alert alert Mickey Black. We're going to have to between the two of us. Choose four winner. So we know these are not the winners of only doesn't that the best or most or whatever they're just be the one who want so winfield what's your final selector? if it's funny in earlier in this conversation Richard kind of alluded to this aspect of like being in your forties. and. Like being stuck your musical What what have used like. You've decided which can you are not going to pursue that I have this exact opposite. thing that I do and It's all thanks to like apple music. And we're not getting. Any sort of not paid by apple music tremendous asset. But when like. When like you're signing up for that yet yet yeah. New York when can sign up for their? Kind of whatever you have the. Subscription, service or whatever you kind put in Oh what kind of music do you like kind of bands like and this and that you kind of These little cute bubbles pop up like this and this and modest mouse, and here's Susan the band cheese and here's the smiths here's lava and then It. All kind of takes it all in as like thanks, and then you start getting like. Kind of boring playlist based on your own music at first. But every week they have this. New Thing and I've been listening to the last few years, which is just like music that we think you'll like and it's just as playlist that's auto generated comes up. Every Friday. And on it, you know. There's like forty different songs or whatever, and they always change. This is a lot of like prelude. I feel like this is like the first nine minutes to like the Lord of the rings were talking about how we got. The Shire. But. We're. Boots. So Is constantly like being pumped into my head and a lot of it I hate I hate I hate boring or just like it there algorithm is just wrong but every once in a while. There's something dislike really incredible that POPs up in other into another playlist. That is called a new music I like just. Stuff out of list. It's the filter down stuff. And then I heard. This incredible song by. Hold I'm GonNa, which when it was looking to replace the list real quick it was the Song Comeback Kid. And it was I artist. Van Etten. And she. I hadn't heard anything like it was. Like, ooh, pure rock and it was just. Super Low. Lyrics Super Guitar. Driven. Well produced just. Like. She's very interesting. Kind of. Coming out of a kind of indie folk tradition. Songwriter singer songwriter that her first album from about a decade ago was pretty simple. You know very heartfelt very straightforward. But then in two thousand nineteen, she put this album called. Remind me tomorrow. And this thing is just it's so. Just kick ASS and there's a couple of songs that are just incredible comeback, kid and Seventeen. Seventeen is this. Kind of just driving ballad about what she imagines these conversations she's going to have with her. Future daughter WHO's going to grow up to be like her and make all the same sorta mistakes she made. But She is just so like it was such a transformation from like her I went back and listen to like her early stuff to her newer stuff and like her early stuff is is. A lot more in kind of like A. Indian kind of folk driven thing and this thing was just rock and roll and I love this idea and I realized later like as we talk about these female rockers, some of it has transformed has great. presence. And I Dunno I. Just I love the I love finding new music this way up just like filtering out. like. New Artists or new artists into things that. I like and I found that so many new artists that I do like our like. Our. Female. Artists I shouldn't be surprised by that and I don't think I. AM surprised by that it just over and over whereas like Molly Birch or whether it's this mea full ic or whether it's kind of looking through. A band called tides or whether it's by Benico all these different new artists, all the stuff I like. is written by and performed. By women and it's just There feels like is really interesting like. I WANNA say like renaissance which sick this new influx of like. I like is what women are. Putting out there and share invented just incredible. Go finest her latest album ennis. It's just great. And I don't know and I just I it's one of those I wouldn't be surprised if she put out continued to put up more stuff like this because it was just A. Really. Spoke to me. Cool I think I did click on a few videos and leather clad Roman. Commanding. The stage. What do you do? You think there's some- something that women are allowed to do with art or with rocker with music right now, that is kind of renaissance. Is that. You just find yourself kind of tired of the same old stuff that the dudes in rocker putting out there music. I think that I think there's that but I also think that there is. A freedom to produce. Things that you want to produce whether it's like you know kind of this pro tools setup where like you know people that are making music are making it from their bedrooms garages, but they're not sound like from their bedrooms garages. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah there's. Yeah there's definitely a self ownership and a self production that. I'm sure you know a Mickey might. Know someone who has been in the industry so I think that there is an element of. Self production. In you're making these things within your home with pro tools you're. You're playing music according music at an almost professional sounding level, and you don't have to go into. A traditional studio to do it or you don't have to you know signed a big record contract and you know whether it's you know you're you're fading eight, hundred thousand dollars or one point two, million to. You know be signed by. Whoever Sony Warner Music or whatever, and have to pay it back and it's just like you're just making stuff that sounds good at home. And I think it takes away. I think the ownership goes back to the actual artists rather than I don't know at least that. Maybe maybe I'm wrong I never spent any time with the music industry so I don't know. I do find myself a little bit weary of the. A the. Some of some of like where the lyrics go in most male rock I, I've spent fifty one and a half years of my life as a male and I'm not interested in hearing that kind of posturing. Toxic masculinity anymore. So it is always very fun to hear a woman's perspective not that women don't have the same damn primal urges that Dude's do but. It's a it's it's really Kinda Fun to actually learn something and get some insight it in my rock and roll. Mickey are you a song writer. Not necessarily more lyrics I I. Love. Writing Poetry. Song Lyrics. That I cannot claim that I am a writer. Is it I wonder which you would think is more hard to come up with some kind of riff. Versus. Actually coming up with an original thought to lend to the John River rock and roll. Seems. Like most the topics have been covered but and musically rockin can fit within certain templates and it's hard to break out of it but. I'm fascinated by people can come up with something interesting and original in a in a genre it's been around for so long. For me, I have so many crazy life experiences. That I draw from that. And I've had so many and yes have been covered but I almost like the The era combined with the experience and that's how I. How I write when I write lyrics. But Yeah I have to laugh because growing up I was listening to like let Motley crue and stuff like that, and when I listened to the lyrics and I'm singing along like I'm a guy or something he's talking about Bain checks and all this and drugs and all like it took anyway I look back because you know how there there's so many things now that they're banning this canceling that but if you Like old school rock and roll almost every song at this point, you'd be like, Oh that's bad. Bad bad that every single it's hilarious. It actually makes me laugh because it's it's not a sex drugs rock roll. Yeah. You were you were seeing she's my cherry pie you're like. Mike that science that sounds cheesy and a Lotta the. Songs that all the girls would like of rock. I think that was my laptop. But. I didn't like those typically. Like You shook me ACDC all the girls go. And they'd start dancing i. those were the songs. Well, I don't like the. Erin maiden songs about Greek mythology. Oh. Nice. Yeah there. There's I I always listened to the lyrics to that was the big thing for me. there. I've heard many musicians say that lyrics are not important and for me, they are very important. I every song I've I've ever liked I will look lyrics or you know listen and see what is about it does to me make a big difference. Oh for sure. Sometimes, in the milieu of Rockwater, musically some songs can be similar. The lyrics are what really makes a statement and Makes one song different from the other. So let's get our last choice in from our friend. Richard. Freddie. So I'm going to choose someone that Mickey you. You referenced earlier. Madonna No, I'm kidding. Madonna just not for rock. So Ray Of light is kind of a bear I am choosing Joan Jett for my last choice. Sweet I know I could have you know in terms of the runaways you could've gone really any them or bad asses. Knowing what they have to put up with just with Kim Fowley. Having surviving. Him was a a a feat. but I, just think for someone who has been doing it for as long as she has. And it's still you know I've seen some clips of her recently still puts on a fantastic show and I, love the fact that. I, believe after bad reputation came out. She said Oh that's a good groove and she has done every song. That she has recorded since then. Basically is just re recording bat. Even, the even the cover songs like I know there's a cheap trick cover that she I think she did surrender but it sounds pretty much exactly like that same straight sort of thing for bad reputation. Just with different different, slightly different melody in different lyrics. I. I'm fascinated by artists just kind of like have their. You know like Bo Diddley? Diddley beat. And that's what he did. And he really. Tried to do something different. He knew what? He knew what he was good out and he did it well and I think Joan Jett very much falls into that category of somebody who? Found their musical style, find what found what works them, and just continues to do it. Just seems like personally just a real bad, ass. Agree on that. Yes. She she has her own style. You could hear two two words come out of a song and now that's shown. Up yet she you know after the runaways broke up, she had trouble getting a a solo record deal. So she and her producer basically started their own record label. Is that right Oh? Yeah. BLACKHEART records and they wound up kind of. Putting out. I love rock and roll and it was a big hit and bad reputation was a big hit the kind of. Turned her career around and it was not the relied on someone else to do not only in one thousand, nine, hundred eighty was an era where female you know solo artist running their own co running their own record label was just not something that was. Believe in in thoughts for most people. That's amazing. Yeah. I mean it's just a complete bad ass on and off the stage. Yeah. Sharon Curie being another blonde, but a definitely another runaway. But what I love a song like. Cherry bomb I think that's a CO write with. Kim. Fowley is yeah to rock and roll song but it's it's not. It's not a song in which a the composer is not just emulating a male rock. It's about this kind of kick ass kind of girl power. You know it's it's it's got a girl miss to it that a guy could never do. It and that's but yet, it's aggressive in tough. And it's an ass kicking song. So the that's a pretty red thing. Yea. I was a fan of the Donnas who were this Oh yeah. Yeah. DONNAS and they have the similar sort of thing. I mean obviously think about a lot of comparisons. To the runaways which I think some of them were unfair would probably hurt their career. But. They have that same sort of how do you take? The K. of male macho swagger in a play that. To a female perspective and runaways did that very well as well in musically they were this kinda mix of. A little bit of limited Glam. Little Bit a punk rock. You know loaded scudder rocket Rome. Great. Yeah. You know the Donnas were called the electrocute before. So they. They kind of got rid of that. So we're. Mickey you and I are about to choose the top four. But this is kind of closing arguments Any other female rockers or any other influences or any even Outside because I. Think of. Some of the some of the discussion about who should be the rock and Roll Hall of fame who isn't You Know Dolly Parton Rock and. Go Rocks Alert Loretta Lynn. On. Both of them actually. Yeah. And I think about, yes, female rockers also women who rock and I think of how how the the lifestyle of a musician can be really challenging and how they're are individuals who've stuck to their guns in a career that can take everything from you for multiple decades and. That is a and thing to be. That is a strong powerful thing to be music aside. I would like I would like to throw out there I'm Catherine O'Hara as a Mickey Crab in a mighty wind. which just says somewhat came up to me like you you frock me, you rock my world and honestly as my favorite mode of that movie but I think of Stock Someone, just some rich rocks some you just rocks rock. So. Mickey I'M GONNA. Pick. I'm going to do the easy part. I'm going to pick one choice, and that is the common choice for both Richard and Michael and that is Saint Vincent. So they will each get a point for that. And I'm going to ask you. To. Really do a solitaire and pick three. And you get to select from the following Chrissie Hinde Joan Jett exit survey data from ex susie sue of Susan the benches Carreno the A as. Or Sharon Vaughn. So you to pick three from. Those names. Okay. I am going with Joan Jett Suite at ASS. Pioneer Chrissie hi. Nice. And Just because I just. I like here. No. Choice. Awesome. Awesome. That is radical. So let's Raise a bottle of Johnny Walker for these women who rock and. Thank Mickey Black for being on our podcast. Really appreciate you coming around. Yeah. I really appreciate it. This was very, very fun. been. Awesome so this has been the Mount Rushmore podcast is always Jeff I'm Richard.

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FOF #2756  The Unsinkable Molly Brennan

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FOF #2756 The Unsinkable Molly Brennan

"Uh-huh. We fell in love with queer punk actor, Mollie Brennan for the many different roles she plays in Steppenwolf new production, Miss Black for president the true story of Chicago drag Queen Joan Jett Black's bid to become president of the United States, lake Bush ninety two Honey supported by the group queer nation. Joan Jett black ran for the highest office in the land to draw attention to the aids crisis. And to anti-gay violence, and prejudice Joan ended up losing the election, but she didn't spire others to fight for change by any means necessary. This amazing piece of historical political performance. Art is now the focus of Steppenwolf new production. Ms black president co authored, and starring moonlights Terrel Alvin mccranie with SpongeBob. Squarepants musicals, Tina Landau as director and co author today. The unsinkable. Mollie Brennan joins us to talk about the many roles she plays in black for president and some of her other career highlights like playing Harpo Marx and Goodman, theatre's animal, crackers, and clowning it up in five hundred clown. Frankenstein, plus Molly taste our quiz. How I rish? Are you? I'm Fausto for knows Mark villian? And this is feast of fun. I have this assay when people say they can't get used to pronounce my aunts, my dad's sisters, and my dad is seventy. So they're all in that range, practiced when I was standing someone who used them. There's pronouns they just practiced having conversations around about this person just pretend conversations to get it in their mouths, and I'm like, if you can't do it, and, like my aunts who've been around for sixty seventy years like you just have to decide import into your head part of it is us. Just want people to feel welcome. Hell, yeah. But the excuse is, like I don't mean to I just I'm not used to like, well, if you practice you'll get used to it. It's like playing the piano. That's right. Guys, I fell in love instantly with queer punk named Molly Brennan. When I saw her playing a wide variety of roles and Steppenwolf theatre's, new production, Miss Black for president which tells the true story of former feast officials performer, and my former roommate Joan Jett blacks, actual run for president of the United States in nineteen Ninety-two. It turns out that just like us molly's being a huge part of Chicago's cutting edge performance and theater scene. And she's joining us today from our home studio. Whoa. Fatty me the feast fund. Thanks. Molly. What got you to Chicago in the first place he moved here in ninety three. Yes, I did. So I, I graduated college in ninety two and I got into Depal into their master acting program, and I came out to addition. I actually saw two shows at the factory theatre to Sean Abilene shows. Original like stage adaptation of Reefer madness. And then another show that was called attack of the killer bees, which was like a medley of b movies put together into like a loose plot with, you know. Attack of the fifty foot woman was in it and tomatoes. Yeah, like all of those movies, like. Yes. Yes, you saw it. But I came out. In addition for depaul saw those two shows, like oh, shoot theater can be like this. Wow. For people who are not familiar with the quality of those productions. How would you describe it? Somebody today. Well the factory the face of the factory has changed a bit over the decades. But at that time, it was camp was like the jam outrageous comedy shock theater. Sean Abilene who's a writer in LA now was cutting the head of it, and Amy Sealy also now in L A, but there. Yeah, it was very. Kind of broad acting large characters. Outrageous, plotlines I sort of thing. And I and, you know, staged in a sixty seat storefront with no budget and like, clip lights. And it was I was like, oh my gosh, this, this is I want to do this. I think that's one of the more remarkable things about Chicago with people. Don't realize they come here while you guys have storefront theaters, like, where I come from, like you gotta theater. It's an actual theater, your convert these spaces and stuff. I'm like, yeah. That's what it's about in. This is why people come to Chicago to theaters for opportunities just like this. Yeah. Until I so I love that fell in love got into. And then I actually quit after a quarter because I realized I had something to say and I didn't want to be in school anymore. Like I wanted to be an artist and not take classes. And I could tell that, like I could do that. It was the right choice because I immediately started working and kind of haven't stopped so. You work full-time, professionally and sort of a performer after a dynamic person on the scene. Thank you. Yeah. So I'm a stage actor an equity actor. That's how I get my insurance. And I've been very lucky to work pretty consistently to keep that going, and then outside of being in place to produce my own work. And I, I also like I guest artist a lot at, like Carey's and strange events. I get paid to do seven minutes of something at fundraisers, or, or that sort of thing, and then I teach a little bit. I mostly teach what I do the we're do stage combat actor gymnasium. I don't stage com. More do clown. That's that is. Yeah. I was gonna ask you slap me without hurting me. No. And we can talk about how you can make money doing that now. That's another show. Let's turn back the clock. To the early nineties and it was the height of the aids crisis. There was no Ellen Degeneres saying, I'm gay on television and a lotta queer marginalized, people just didn't see themselves in, in television and films. And certainly not in theater. And so a lot of people felt that there was urgency to represent the, the aids crisis to tell the story of marginalize LGBTQ people. And that's kind of the reason why so much experimental theater and performance art started and one question that always pops up to me in, and I'm usually asking a great question. Ask people like you what do you think is the major difference between performance art and theater? And I think that the agreement with the audience is usually different that performance are usually places the fourth wall behind the audience. It between the performers and the audience, not always that's like a loose thing. I think that performance art tends to necessarily be political and we can talk about what political means. But like theater sometimes tries to remove it self from being political. I think that's still means that's a political move. But you know what I mean there's a conscious political usual. Social commentary or something with performance. Very self expressive and theater is more storytelling. So I'd say those are the kind of elements that make the two different. And as an actor you're sort of expected to put your own personality and persona aside. Whereas in terms of like experimental theater performance art it's about playing with all the all your experiences. And there are some schools of acting that do want you to draw on your own life experiences for the roles. And I think that's kind of where your school fought is coming from. I, I am largely cast these days in the last ten years and maybe more for what I bring to it. I do play characters. Like I change my voice, change my posture, but I have a. A way of being on stage that where I think people are like, oh, that's Molly, like kind of no matter what I do, like I'm hooked on. Molly. I never got tired of. But yeah, I do think because I get hired for very specific projects. And I think it's because I have this. Way of being on stage where I'm never quite I don't. I'm never quite in it all the way like I have an awareness always of the audience almost almost every single person in the audience while performing I have this lake. I don't like lose myself in the character. Like I can play a character. But I always, like very aware of what the room is. And I think allows for me to be in reaction to things like if something goes wrong or like you know, in Miss Black, there's a part where it kind of interrupt the play to point to something and no spoilers. But like I kind of interrupt play. I'm like, hey, have you noticed this? And like last night, the lie, I stop, what's happening? And I looked out in the audience and I could see someone reading program and all around, and I did I said, hi, looking at your program, and actually, it was a great segue into what I actually supposed to say. But like it's like I can't. Help it. It's like I can't help but be aware of like every little thing that's happening. I've liked predictability is what makes it for me, more exciting. But for some other people that unpredictability is the reason they avoided first now performance are can take place in theater in the ninety s usually took place in music venues, art galleries, because those traditional theatrical spaces where usually not available to us and they are now and in one thousand nine hundred to queer nation and a young drag Queen name Terence out. I don't want to name her, but she is publicly Terence Smith on the name of Joan Jett black decided to run for mayor Chicago. And that was such a commotion, that Dench, she decided to run for president United States and they did a documentary about it, people wrote articles and books about the of the event. And then Joan Jett black. Decided to be retired moved to San Francisco. And we never heard from her since until this past the air where Terrell album mccranie Oscar-winner for moonlight. And Tina Landau the director SpongeBob, squarepants musical the said, hey, we're gonna take the story from you guys lives and turn it into full production. How did you get involved in all this? Well. I got a call from my agent, saying that Tina in Terrell wanted to see me now, Tina Terrell, and I worked on another project in two thousand four there was another like, experimental. They didn't know what it was going to be until it was actually in front of an audience. He's called the actual essays at Steppenwolf. So we'd worked together than and you know, kind of crisscrossed over the years seeing each other, and whatever, but so they called me in to audition immediately. You know, it's really hard when you're when you're actor, mostly, you don't get the part like there's so much auditioning and not getting it like Teri Garr to us, auditioning, the job of an actor suing the show is actually a bonus. Yeah, yeah. It's so much additioning. And so I try never like I always think like just kill the dish in. But don't think about the play just kill the dish in. And in this, I was like Kelly audition show. I really wanna do this. Way, you know, like I really and at that point, the material, they gave us a lot of it was just transcripts of people who'd been like interviewed by on the Glendon Brenda show, like, like queer nation transcripts and act up transcripts and they just had us leak prepare those model found footage of people who are politically, active at the time transcribed, it had you sort of bring that to life to choose, which ones he would do or did. They say we want these wants from you. They said, we want these ones for you, and I, actually, I think I got a, an unusually long time to prepare usually get a week or less to prepare. I think I had two weeks. And I just learned all of them. I memorized all of the copy and was ready like to do any of it. And so when I when Tina said, you know, the I, I think. The first thing she said was, you know, we asked you to do this, but could you prepare this instead and handed me another side but I already knew it, and I was like, yeah, so I didn't have to take the paper and just did it. And I really wanted to show like, I, I know there are lots of factors in hiring of it like this is important to me. And I want to be part of this. So why did you know at the time when you are additionally into that was the only role of a woman in the whole show at that point, they hadn't decided how they were going to cast or even how many cast members they were going to be like it was actually a for short of a development process? It was it was a long casting process because they weren't sure they knew kind of what characters they wanted to be in there, but they weren't sure how they want it to manipulate it. So there was like the gender thing was not laid out or or the race thing, or like any of the kind of identifiers it was like we want to see everybody. And so the city spa. Bob square pants shared and to me, like, you know, Miss Black for president and also crazy. But there is there is a quality of that show in, in Miss Black for president and part of that is that I think Tina approaches this very organically and very much like a performance art collective in the sense that she wants sort of a chemistry to develop, and even the content itself to evolve from the rehearsal process. It's it's how chorus line the musical was made. I didn't know that it was an audition that was funded by the mea of all things for the arts. They had all these come. Come on, and tell us your story in dance and the end of the audition there. Like you know what? This is the show. And that's what that's cute. I didn't know that was. That's so interesting. All the actors who are rigidly those roles that's that was there. Oria out. Yeah. That's before tits and assets. Developing MRs black for president when you got the role and then Tina says, darling, I want you to play. She doesn't sound like this. I want you to play the leather dyke Lanny the cowboy cable access producer, the hat, lady, who's homophobic disenchanted, hot nonvoting. If you more roles than anybody else in that show is that true? I counted. Oh, and also I play the college kid that like pro-choice college kid. Eva. Yeah, I never counted. But you might be counted. All right. Actually hat lady was in the. Is based on a real interview with, with Glenda and Joan so that transcript, which is different now? But like the original thing, I actually read for her in the original audition to, but yeah, when she gave us the parts I'm trying to think now like we did a couple readings. And sometimes, sometimes I read for Mark, who is the coronation character? I've read for a few of the different things I read for q, which was Sawyers part plays the kind of conic people, and then, by first rehearsal, they pretty much knew who we were, who we were going to be. And so, I was I didn't even I was just like I figure out who these people are doing for people who may not be able to see the show hopefully they're gonna turn it into a feature film Broadway production. But right now, it is running for the month of pride in Chicago and got extended I think to chill out. Official lou. Okay, good. Okay. It was leaked. And the reason that you don't wanna talk about those things ahead of time is because then people go out just sit next week right? Don't they have to shuffle things around? And there's a lot of moving parts and doing something this industrial this because there's a lot of money. There's a lot of organizations and institutions involved in this, and I would say this for seven we'll theater, this is probably one of their most. Potentially. You know, politically charged shows they've done a long time. And not just because of the fact that you're telling the story of this marginalized person black, drag Queen Joan Jett black, who ran for president, but also because it's the what I call the Disney vacation of history is that there's a danger that when it's people with a lot of money a lot of privilege telling the story of people who are very marginalized. There's, there's a tendency to sort of gloss over the struggle or even worse, actually, tell the opposite story. And so I imagine that was a lot of concern because, you know, you guys are, obviously, to roll out the mccranie and Antena Landau very ethical people. How did you guys like wrestle with all those things. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's interesting, isn't it? I always I described the play as a. Piece of poetry about a moment. Right. So it's not it's not a documentary right like we're not going fact, for fact, most of the characters are combinations of, of real people. And they're, they're all. Fictionalized Gioja black is in the plays. Eight feet tall nine six nine real-life Joan Dipak about five foot five. Yeah, yeah. So there there's so it's a it's an oath. I think more than an historical show, and I think that that. That in itself is a little tricky sometimes for folks to get their mind around that, like, okay, so it's based on a real person, but the stuff isn't necessarily real and like, who is this, queue character who keeps coming up as these kind of star icons, and, and it's, it's a queer telling so it's not just as play about queer events, featuring queer people. It's actually a queer telling it is a drag show, poem about the moment of Joan Jett black getting on the floor of the democratic national convention, or at least that's my take. And yeah. How do you sell that to a theater group of patrons who are used to seeing Sam Sheppard like? Like. How and what is three action and why do notice that seven wolf is going more in the direction of trying to be more experimental more contemporary that new space, the bar in that cabaret theatre? It's like there's a lot of evolution happening and you know, people are not familiar. There's two theater institutions in Chicago three actually second city Goodman, and Steppenwolf and these generated some of the biggest names with the biggest Bank accounts and thankfully, a lot of those big celebrities that came from those. Institutions have benefactor and pack that these theatrical organizations to have them have a presence for future generations to come. And so for Steppenwolf to sort of say, you know, we're going to we're gonna mess with us. We're gonna take her with us because of the exciting and fun. I think it's very generous them to do it, but also very risky. I agree. And I, I've seen the trend of that, too, like, Passover a couple years ago also like really kind of push the line on that. And LA Ruta, that was just there that push the line and specifically because this was an unfinished work as we were going into the space. So, like, what Tina, Terrell were presenting to the literary team and stuff was like not a finished script, and that makes it hard for multimillion dollar organization to kind of it's just not the structure people used to used to getting a script. And like there may be some changes. But, like, for the most part, you know, the script is developed it's been through a development process. This was very fast. And so it like we were getting pages up until opening night, new new dialogue and cuts and things like that, which is a way that I'm used to working in smaller theaters. But not in larger institutions, and I think the people in the room, this is a familiar process. I mean, they really put together a team of actors who are creators as well, like not just people who learn their lines and play characters, but who actually make work and generate work. Daniel kyri who plays JJ ran really great DIY venue, for a number of years called the DOJ. Oh, and just like curated wing. Right. A bull music and performance art and. Patrick Andreas is a is has been involved in this kind of queer new wave performance art band for a number of years. You know, so people in it are all are all makers. So for the team of actors this very familiar process, but to do it in a large institution is a little bit like, well, we don't know what it's going to be opening night. I guess. Joan jett. Black is played by Oskar award winning screen screenwriter writing Terrel album mccranie for moonlight as like, hey, you're the you're the Oscar winner for the screenwriter. Where's the script? One job to do. I hope that if he does this show those guys, there's a Tony awards called Chicago quivalent, Jeff award that you guys get don't get the award, but then get it at the last second like moonlight. Wow. Oh, we have a terrible guy. Best player of the year cause to Miss Black president. We're so. Sorry, it's like Tyrrells. Oh my God hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but I think that that's part part of again like queering the narrative is league don't, don't do it the way it's been done like defy the dominant paradigm. Like figure out other ways to make art. The play is the play. It is because of who is in the room, it's not because of the scripture given but like the development president went through. We did so much stuff with Tina where she led us just doing viewpoint exercises, which is like just being in relationship to each other in the room, and like one might look at that and Gopal we going to memorize lines. But it didn't really it doesn't really work like that. You build a relationship the way, she works, at least in the projects, I've done with her is she builds this on samba, and we take care of each other. And we kind of have have this intuitive knowledge of each other and that relationship. Allows us to quickly kind of simulate in new lines, new ideas, new entrances, new costume pieces new because we're we're not we're their free other we're holding each other. And again, that's a very clear thing to right? Like instead of thinking of it being like a director and playwright and a cast of actors and having this kind of hierarchy it's more fluid than that, and it feels safe to make errors feel safe to make risks. And what you wind up with is a piece of art lake miss Blackford president, which defies, some theatrical definition, in feel like in terms of, you know, experimental or Alvin guard theater. Tina Landau right along the lines of someone like Julie taymor, who just, you know, really transformed representation wise and cultural wise, what Broadway was doing at the time when lion. King debuted on I know. I know it sounds crazy to say. Oh, lion. King was really amazing groundbreaking musical. But it really was and impact is being felt still to this day, you know, in a lot of ways, it's like Tina Landau's work, sort of STAN is a sister to you. The Lion King, and Julie taymor is done. And part of it is, I think, is this feminist perspective of wanting to take this structure and not take grant because it makes necessarily because we're just here to fuck with the system because there's some really great things that come from that now as, as a creator, you also put together, a very similar show that light feast of fools was, which is called the fly Honey show. Yes. So I'm a part of the fly Honey show. Yes on you guys are also fucking with the system there. Yeah. And it's actually it's going into its tenth year this year, I've been involved for four years. I'm not an originator. I was a fan. Dan? I and then I got brought onto the team. And, and. Yeah, that is. It's looking at the structures of cabaret and burlesque and making it body positive and defying the definition of what sexy is and highly political and this kind of a very long show. It's like a two hour show with all kinds of stuff in it. I mean, the, the central entertainment is the dancing. So these amazing. Dances that, that are a combination of burlesque and hip hop dance. And there's this whole band with a corn section, and they do these incredible mashups of old music, and new music. And, and then their other artists, stand up comedians, and performance artists, and drag artists, and there's you have popsicles them too. Temptation, you know, and part of me was like his about saying, yes to, and you're like me, you know, like that's why instantly connected part of, you know, there is the vanity. They're like I love because they're exactly like me. But. But part of it is that you're like you're so eager to, like you, it's kind of like all you can eat buffet of culture, and it's about giving somebody that experience is to be able to explore so many different textures and moments in one show. Yeah. And then the, the drawback of that is then, you know, then the night, everything's those left this scrambled disorganized, mass. And then you have to put it all back together. It's a lot of it's a lot of labor, but it's, it's I don't know. How do it where I'm not interested maybe a hard path to take. Yeah. You know, your heritage. One thing we joke around like you know, in terms of the Irish Heritage's sometimes looking, there's an expression Puerto Rico. You're looking for the fifth leg to the cat. Oh, I don't know what that is, is there's enough. There's how many legs is a cat have four, but you're looking for that fifth leg for some reason, many are always looking for something that isn't there like chasing that pot? What are the expression that someday someday? You are gonna come across that cat, and it will have five leg. Well, I thought. There's an expression our when we hear that's no leg. Expression about like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which we think of like lucky charm, Syria. We don't understand that it as actual like a really deep meaning fart, which is that you're like its desire of chasing dream that you can never get too. And that is the gold is the journey. Yeah, the. Yeah. Right. Like looking for fulfilment, like a non existent fulfillment, that when trans people are taking training to feminizing voices. There's a passage that they actually read that, that the gold at the end of the rainbow and I don't know if you guys it's been portrayed in the film TransAmerica. Oh, I haven't seen the opening scene about it and stuff. That's really interesting. And it's like I wish somebody may be like, would turn that into a business stuff on YouTube people reciting the pass. Edge, because it contains a lot of the American speech. And so it's like if you get all these elements, right, you know, you, you have the voice that you want this. Yeah. So the so interesting because I like a here that I like honor people on their journeys, and there's this other thing, there's this whole other thing that I hear a lot from my friends who are trans women who are like fuck that my voices my voice. And like that is also like valid, and, and if I have a deep voice, it doesn't make me less of a woman, you know, like it's so interesting. It's interesting how things change how our perspectives change, and even between like that. You know, like having having what is a feminine voice like what is that? Even. You know, I mean, I was raised by Irish nuns and some of those the bushes voice it's like you hear the Mike down the hallway all about. That kind of thing. So, so the quiz mar a quiz because Molly Molly Brennan, pretty Irish name is, you know, so how Irish are you? I mean okay. So my, my dad's side is. I rush and the, my mom's side is English Scottish Irish so I've got it coming in from both sides. Yeah. We'll tell you how are you are? So your lunch with your friend, French fries are sitting on your friends plate, a respect, your friends food choices, and leave them to peace, be ask politely, if you can have a fri-, or see reach over and take the fucking fries because potatoes blogs, everyone. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with see although I'd probably ask and say. May I have one those belong to everyone? That is the crack dancer, keeping score one, okay. Sinead O'Connor tears up the pope's photo yet again on live TV. Do you delete all her music from your music library, or be know that she was right? Twenty seven years ago. And she's still fucking right today. Be highly app. I was I was working for the rainbow passage of. Okay. Yeah. So you got to write my gosh, to Margaret Thatcher was a, a wrong kind or be a right cont. I'm not sure if I've my vernacular, right? We'll just say Margaret Thatcher is a right count. That's right. Yeah. All I think she was wrong. But I think right it's yes, good. Very good to be very. Irish Molly Malone from the famous folk songs. How did she die as she was killed by a leprechaun be run over by a wheelbarrow or see? Syphilis syphilis. That's right. They say fever, but they interpreted this stuff. You gotta give them Ali some hard questions. Nervous time. Yes. All of them. Okay. Odds of finding a four leaf clover, one in ten thousand one hundred thousand or one in a million. I think it's one in ten I think it's low exactly right. Found them all the time. Okay. Figure gonna have luck and just an excuse my language here. But what do you get when you cross a hor- with the leprechaun? Oh my gosh. I don't know a little fucker about big. All right. You're, you're pretty fucking Irish. Thanks. You're pretty lacking fight about it. I met you, you were saying because you name is Molly which is synonymous with drugs. Yes. Sometimes you get some confusion because of that. Yes. Well, my, my parents and my sister burners wearning man, and your parents. Yes. In fact, my parents just renewed. The fifty year wedding vows at burning man this last year and my stern. I looked at the ceremony out on the planet, I have gone to burning man, twice and both times, I am equally revered, and the object of disappointment, because my name is Molly so people or they're like, oh, Molly, like, like I'm carrying around with you. Exactly. Exactly. Utility belt, right? Yeah. You're in love these days. I'm in love. I'm love with Maxine she's wonderful. She and I lived together, not Irish. She's not. Well, she is she and Talia Irish half and half. Red herring. All right. Your, your relationship is based on. Let's be nice to each really is. Which sounds really simplistic. And, and I don't know that. It's implicit. It's simple, and like and lovely, and yes, we're, we're nice to each other. Let's be nice to each other is our, our mantra, and we are. Yeah. She's she has a job downtown in the loop in Chicago. And then she spends a lot of time helping other people, she knows the feed the homeless coalition. She teaches marginalized groups about firearm safety, and us. Yeah. Yeah. She's, and she's she's just like a very generous, she we have. You know, we help people financially and otherwise. Who are having a hard time, and she gave me on grants, or she just like then Marin people who are. Need a new way? My nails need. I think. I don't know if that would fly plate. Yeah. She's, she's DIY. So let's wonderful. I know it's not relevant. But we I think, in terms of like, being gender, non binary and queer and bracing transpeople a big. I would say a big point of contention, especially in lesbian scenes is the inclusion of trans women and theme is, is a trans woman. Yes. And yeah, I actually haven't had so much personal experience with. Pretty progressive. Yeah. A lot, a lot of friends who are trans, which is I'm not sure how that worked out. But it's lucky, I yeah, I am lucky quality. That have you watched the first season of pose. Yeah. Well, some ally you are. She doesn't watch it. We watch letter canny, that's like her favorite show right now. Oh my gosh. It's about these Canadian rednecks. It's hilarious. But, but yeah, I haven't. I mean it's in my mind, it doesn't make any sense, gender doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It never has I don't know how to explain his well, I can tell a story. I remember I was in I was in high school in my friend was staying over at my house, and we were talking. She was talking about a boy that she liked. And I said, well. Wouldn't you like wouldn't you still like this person if he wasn't a boy? And she said, why are you talking about? And I and I, I couldn't describe what I was talking about all I could think was hotter. Like I don't it doesn't that doesn't matter to me. Gender, like I respect to when people are on the binary. Identifies a woman, she her pronouns. And but like I very nonconventional. Yeah, I am. That's true. And you know you don't you don't live there, but you're sometimes a tourist. Yeah. And a lot of the shows I do. I play man. So, so. That's true. How many times have you been cast? Live played Harpo Marx at the Goodman for animal for animal crackers, just early spring. I played Djupedal in gnocchi oh hitter. I in looking less Alice looking glass theater. I play a few different guys. Tweedle dum, and the walrus play the red Queen, but the red Queen was actually originated the role was actually rejected by man. So like I'm on a man's track. My role says red dares to take with Boettger paint. The Royal flower Phil Smith casting director. I hope you're listening. The classic original. Acid. I think I've watched the Alice in wonderland animated. Disney thing too many times have you ever like seen a role that didn't get for me? I'm just like who you girl? You know, the Caterpillar is just this wonderfully. Luscious campy character that I think you and I would devour thanks. I know you have. Yes. Well, in that same show, three of us played a Caterpillar, polar at the same time, and we do all these, like, overlaying vocals. Yeah. I oh you unlikely and everything like, we say some lines together apart, and we're and we do, like partner acrobatics, and kind of tumble over each other. And then get on each other's backs and do like all this interesting stuff. Anyway. But yeah, oh and the other big kind of dude part is played Hal in picnic that will Davis directed over an ATC and picnic. Is this kind of part of the American cannon, and we'll Davis just kind of cast it in this really nonconventional way I played the football player that comes back to town after kind of not succeeding in real life. And that was a great part too. But yes, so, so anyway, I get cast, as, as men sometimes which is great. Oh back to like talking about like gender, inter gender identity relations. Yeah. And sometimes I explain explained to people is like some people can handle a long distance relationship and other people can't and gender. Sometimes, I think about, as more as geography, maybe you're ace coaster, maybe you're midwesterner maybe live in the. Your. The travel and other people never leave their own state interesting. You know. And so when you and your partner, your loved ones, reside to different parts of the country, you can meet together and certain different ways. But other times it's like, you know, your New York. And I'm in L A. What are we going to do? You know, that's interesting. I'd have to give that some thought, but you were saying, oh, yes. So I mean, like, but I see on the course stupid internet like people saying things access chromosome, an exa x y chromosome, they're only men and women. And I'm like, I don't know how to tell you that my girlfriend is a woman like I don't know how to make you believe that because it's true you know, her how she was assigned at birth like that. It's not. I can't. To get it or you don't get like should. Kind of semi pound problematic campaign of, like, do you really think I belong in this bathroom where you'd see a person who had transitioned and very clearly looked like the gender that, you know that they are on the binary? Right. So like a trans man saying, like with a beard, and whatever, like should I should I be in the women's, and of course I'm like, well, I think bathrooms are bathrooms, but the point is like these trans all the transpeople my life. Like I don't I don't it doesn't occur to me to doubt how they feel because it's how they feel like how we all feel is real what whatever's inside of his is real. And it's not up to someone on the outside to say we'll know you're this because you don't you don't know, you just believe people when they say this is who I am you go. Okay. Like, what is the stake? In denying someone saying they are you so invest. Sit in binary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you being the one to classify who's why? Yeah. And when there's all this, like, there's all this scientific evidence and you can point to that, although a lot of the time that people like that you're arguing against they don't care about science. So it doesn't matter. But climates you know, they do the like brain function stuff, and, and then like all the variances of sex, right? Like in terms of chromosomes in terms of hormones. I mean, I'm my self like have the parts of female sex assigned person, right? Like, I've got a full, the a working working over Eason uterus. And I developed breasts when I went through puberty. I also have a very low estrogen body. I don't produce a lot of Astrakhan. So what does that mean? Like what am I for cancer are lower? Yeah. Maybe so I guess I developed muscle easily, which is maybe a thing there's a variance, it's a spectrum and. Science can show that, but even if you don't even if you don't look at the science just when a person says, I am this, then just okay. Like if it's. Yeah, it doesn't if I mean, the only time that I don't respect someone saying, I'm this is they say, I am a Nazi. Fuck you. But like. Like if a person is you hear about the knitting websites forum and let me pull up the main here. It's for Nigam Tuesay's people who knit, and they say that they are deleted, and banning anybody who is a pro Trump supporter like you can be Trump support it, but don't bring that bullshit to our knitting because this is a knitting. And if you're out there, trying to put this political agenda, and they understand it. They understand that Trump stands for white supremacy, and they're not going to stand for that. I mean, we got comments on our website, believe it out. There's less than who are Trump supporters. We just did a show about how the complicated relationship that LGBTQ people have with the rainbow and, you know, the creator of the rainbow flag said this is an incomplete work of art. It is for future, generations, and marginalized people to improve upon it are great their own and some people lost their minds when two more stripes for added right? Yeah. Philadelphia. And I'm like, what part of improve on your other do not understand? You'll still have that flag. But the thing is that one besides us being disconnected from history and knowledge, and they don't listen to the fun, which is a big. Idiots also to that. This six stripe rainbow flag is kind of become this, this corporate logo that corporations like Nabisco can stick on an Oriole cookie and say, hey, we love you. We love you money. I'm like, yeah. But do you diversity in your and your leadership? Not just an ear employee's. Do you have a nondiscrimination clauses that prevent people from being fired for being algebra to Q? Right. Those are the things that matter. That's right. That's right. And you know. I go back and forth between like this notion of lake rainbow capitalism and being mad about it. But also, I think about, you know, and I was in college and had like my little like rainbow, necklace, and, like how self conscious and nervous. I was to just wear that people didn't even know what it meant necessarily. But like you felt like you were doing something, and there is something about knowing that you go to target and a little girl who likes other little girls is going to see a shirt that represents her. And, and so like as much as I'm like, oh, like it's not just about like marketing our own culture back to us. It's more than that. There's, there's a side of it that I'm also like I like the rainbow Chuck Taylors. The rainbow in northern the northern hemisphere is a symbol of hope because it follows a terrible storm, and in the southern hemisphere, it's a ominous symbol, because it precedes one interesting. But in western culture, we are the storm. Let's. How did like I wear rainbow wristband have for long long time know? And part of me is like, in a workplace environment. Instead of having to come out to people, it's a way it's a promise that I make to myself, and I make to my co workers and any customer any artists that I work with. I'm going to do everything I can to acknowledge you to make things better and to listen to you, and I will never flood your world again. Let's it's flag. So there's listener says he's Trump saying, you know, it's, it's a tricky space, because this, this rainbow that is this beautiful symbol. It's a promise to heal into grow. Also, just like anything can be commodified and Trump was selling rainbow pride tee shirts, one on those evil one of the most homophobic, transphobic fascist dictators of the modern age. Hitler himself is using rainbow flags to market to LGBTQ people who are so dumb, or misinformed that they think that he's aligning with their interests at all. And so this guy who listens says listening to our show and either to one he trawling us more too. I did search his IP address, because you know we got with around here you guys can hide. And I found out, you know, and I think he may be fucking with us. But part of it is like it is to me, like, really astounding when I meet people, and I had a friend of mine who she was trans very shy. Very quiet. One day, she said, you know what I think Trump's going to be a great president. I've just like my eyes are like inside of my head is like Bugs Bunny going. But part of it is, I think this person's probably struggling with racism is probably struggle with a lot of incomplete theme nation information, and they're disconnected and part of it is, like it's so important to be part of our community. So when I tell people's like go see the fly Honey show is not because you're going to have a good time, but you will have a good time. Right. Not just because you're going to be dazzled, and your world will be rocked. But because this is a part of you coming human being and growing up and being part of culture of love. Yeah. I mean and going outside of like your comfort zone is super important. In consuming? One like having your your dollars, go to marginalized people as always great, you'll get some entertainment in return. But like as like on that tip as an artist I have been very lucky to be invited to events where often I'm one of the only white people there. And, and I'm hearing over the years. You know how people feel about me and us and white people, and being able to hear that an uncensored space where I'm in the minority and go, oh my God. Like, oh, wow. I have to do something different than what I'm doing. Or like I have a number of friends who are disabled and being in art spaces that are centered around disability, like hearing uncensored opinions and experiences about about that, like these things going outside of your, your zone to take in art. And to contribute to the art is so important, not just for artists to develop our work into understand. You know how the rest of the world is. But for all of us just to be like, oh, wow. It's. I'm a majority. I'm system white. I mean, I'm queer but I don't. I don't wear that in the same way, as you wear, you know, skin color or. Chain her Chicago. Thank you, stood many luminary rolls. What else do you have coming up? Joan jet black. President twenty-first does. And then I then I'm. Then I'm going to be one of the hosts of the fly Honey show and that opens eighth and I think closes September ninth on one or on the weekends or stay Friday and Saturday night day nights at ten thirty. Yes. So you can like go to another thing and then come to us after someone to do that. And then people get free lap dances with book at a popcorn, I've just that's a different thing. That's not pizzas crisis show. Yeah. No different. And then after that, I actually have a pending contracts, they can't talk about. But I have another show that'll be up to that. And then I have to figure out what I'm gonna do. During that for twenty some years. I'm also used to what I would imagine. Yeah. There's, there's a thing I want to produce called occupy open mic, where I would like to get some of Dardis that I think, are great in town, who generate their own work, and go to some of the bar, open mics and kind of surprised the audience by presenting. Well-crafted performance art and like to prising where the gorilla. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're coming. It's a sign up so anybody can sign up. But, like, if we had, like five to ten like artists doing things that isn't that are not just acoustic guitar, not just stand up like other other kinds of performance like that's a that's the thing like to get some funding together. Because what I'd like to do is to be able to pay the artists just pay them. And then we go to like, different open mic every week and present this work and like start our conversation about what because, you know, theater is inaccessible to so many people because it's expensive. And also, it's the vernacular there's a. A lot of is for people who are in theater, or you know what I mean. And we went to see his black for president. It's faust. I were among the younger people in the audience. Right. And so, you know, you would think that a show like that. Because if it's its, what's queer content would appear appeal to a lot of people, but are people going out to see this kind of theater, you know, that's part of the reason why I wanted to have you on the podcast of the people that are listening to this show that are in Chicago. They're planning to come to Chicago. You know, understand that this is show. You can't see. And it's something you would probably enjoy everybody asked me, what's the best drag show to see in Chicago right now? Miss Black presence. My goodness. And part of it is, you know, and I was talking about we're getting Joan Jett black and the flash coming on the podcast soon. We're building out to it, and I asked Qatar like what has this past twenty years been like for her? She's she was, she was kind of describing, like she's rip van winkle and woke up in a world dominated by politically neutral track Queen for policy. We're all the political Athens with exception of lady bunny, and some other drag queens. But for the majority, it's very interesting, see these young artists go to theater school, and all they wanna do. And all they want to talk about is, like lip synching contary or makeup and styling. And that's all about the Tatas and that's it. They have a career path in theater school programs on getting up becoming Ruger oil, interesting. Now in Chicago. They're such a great politicized drag scene. There are some crate queens, doing some really. Updates. I disagree with that in some regard because status updates is not politics. I mean what? Performances. I want you to get people on the streets as much as we used to. But yes, for sure. Racism, do you know IMP Queen just like I just I just find her work to be so bizarre and strange. And when she gets she sometimes does some spoken word stuff in the content of her work is compelling up setting like like and all of this. I think she's great. And I think there are a number of artists who are not just I hear what you're saying. I think it's business. Now, it's like anything, right? Like, now there's a TV show. That's had multiple seasons like it becomes a path becomes a defined path. Whereas drag didn't have such a defined path before. Right, glenora. She was like, yeah, it's like the wild west like we're figuring it out, and we have all these ideas. And, and what happens in capitalist society is somebody figures out how to make money off of that trend. And then they sell it back to us with a set of rules that we didn't make. Like you said that, so beautifully other people's dreams come true. Or you said, sometimes other people's dreams come true for you. You don't want them. Yeah. Well, it's, it's more like. I haven't like opening up for Garth Brooks. Like I actually love for. But like I never would have thought like, oh, my dream is to open for Garth Brooks, didn't it was super cool. But I was like, I think this is someone else's dream. And then the other thing was when I was in a show at Lear. Opera, and I was like, I was in a second city show at lyric opera. And it was like a send up of operas imperative opera. And like I was like, this is super cool to perform on this giant stage in this like I comic building. But I think this is somebody else's dream that having because it was never like a goal to do this. I kind of found myself in these incredible. Like, feel really lucky. Find myself in these incredible situations where I'm like, how did I how did I? Think of scamming on somebody else. Life. What is your dream? Is that even possible to put into words? Key anarchy, I guess I, I am interested in a world of, of self governance. I'm interested in a world where we take responsibility for selves and take care of each other. And what's your selfish dream? I'm living it. I mean I do and making my living as an artist is like, the, the, the ongoing transformational dream of a role that eager to sink your property day already did the, the Caterpillar from Allison. If your dream. I've lived here dream. You girl like doing a show at I did a show at PS one twenty two that I that I made in New York and don't know PS one twenty two. A very well thought of very important performance art space city, and I have done shows there that I that I helped to make so the like that was a huge thing. You know, I'd really love to play lady Bracknell in importance of being earnest. I played her in college. I think it's a great role and I think it's a great plan to do that again. And that, but I don't have an idea of like I wanna work at this place. There are a lot of people that I want to be in a room with most of them aren't famous people there, like Chicago people that I've done something with our seen in something like, like, my, I did something couple years ago called battle axe Betty, which was a reworking the script, I wrote for the factory back in the nineties, and it's a like it's sword and sorcery kind of heavy metal musical. And I did it with a ton of artists, and I try to get in the room as many representations of people as I could. And so we had integrated American sign language in the room and audio describe in the room and different mobility abilities, and different racial, ethnic and gender. Identities. And I kind of just take to my some of my favorite people owns like like let's get thirty six of us together and put this heavy metal musical up and doing that kind of work is like doing. Collaborative work with all that. Looks like our city. That is an ongoing dream to just to like work with amazing artists who have, like all these different life, experiences and perspectives into here like what it's like to be somebody other than me like that room is the I want that room over and over and over again, that kind of cloud city for hell. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Molly part of it. Is that you're like us, you're searching for people who share a similar aesthetic viewpoint and what I really adore about your work is that you're doing this sort of like the real life version of this podcast. In the sense that you're going around, and you're finding these really creative, amazing people, and you're showcasing them, and you're nurturing, then you giving them a space to shine. And I think that's just Borelli thing that should be celebrated and applauded thanks and I wanna thank you so much for coming, and talking to us today, because it really means a lot to me, because I really believe in your work, and I'm very excited about not just Miss Black for president, but all the other stuff that you do. Thank you so much. Can we be friends? I'll. That's put us on your mailing list. Have to just for you. Two people could follow Mollie Brennan, on Instagram at monster. Clown, girl. Don't mess with Molly. Everywhere you have other places. Right. 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I Was Made For Livin' On A Prayer with Desmond Child

Talk Is Jericho

1:17:28 hr | 11 months ago

I Was Made For Livin' On A Prayer with Desmond Child

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I got a great rock and roll the show for you today. How about these bands? Kiss Aerosmith Bon Jovi. Alice Cooper the Scorpions Joan Jett. They'll have in common. They've all worked with one of the most legendary songwriters songwriters in the music. Business Ever Tom Desmond Child and they'll hold ahead. They've had huge hits with Desmond Desmond's in the Songwriters Hall of fame. He's won grammys has also written hit songs for Ricky Martin. Yeah Living La Vida Loca. That's his share. Just like Jesse James Katy Perry Waking Up in Vegas. How about rat loving you's a dirty job so many amazing songs Desmond's GonNa share some of the stories behind his biggest hits like Bon Jovi's living on a prayer? You give love a bad name Joan. Jett's I hate myself for loving you. Aerosmith dude looks like a lady rag doll Angel Desserts also talking about how he went from front his own band seventy s becoming one of the most sought after writers at all music and how it all sort of happened because Paul Stanley from kiss was a fan of Desmond's band. This right he wrote. I was made for loving you with Paul Heaven's on fire who wants to be lonely. Let's put the accent sex. You're gonNA Vitamin D Desmond's only song wrote with all saying he didn't like he wrote about fifteen with them. We're GONNA find what the new album that Desmond just released. He and his band did their own versions of the songs that he wrote and were made famous by other bands a same themselves and released it as Desmond Child live so now you get to wherever you buy stream or download music and before we get to desma child the greatest the songwriter of all time not name Lennon McCartney let me just say thanks to one of the sponsors to make talk is Jericho possible and helped me make a little extra cash as well. I'm talking about macari sorry. It's the macari APP. If you haven't taken part and sell your shit Sunday you got to download the macari APP in join in on the fun now. Our friends macari created this awesome data. Sell the stuff. You don't news anymore. macari is selling APP. It makes it fast and easy to sow almost anything clothes. Shoes sporty equipment kitchen gadgets jewelry. All all your old smartphones and tablets that worked perfectly fine but you don't know what to do with them. 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Judging like a battle of the bands since I know we were so good so good together. It's funny because when I showed up I had no idea the other judges were and I was sitting right between you to my left and John Reveals to my right and I was wearing John Versus closed and I had just been Paul Stanley's house earlier of see one of your greatest songwriting partners. So just one of those fateful moments all into connected exactly which is great because we talked about doing this and having ask to chat because I mean it's amazing to me With the exception of a Lennon and McCartney and Avia Jagger and Richards for for for rock and roll and beyond. Maybe the best songwriter ever with partners. That's what I keep saying but I mean I keep telling them that you know but you know I'm the I'm the guy behind the curtain right and so I I just. After many many years decades of being a studio rat I crawled out and decided to make an album of my own of known song long my own songs so I call my my show like the ultimate cover band of original songs right exactly exactly. But it's funny though because I was watching last night Some stuff from Desmond Child and rouge. which was your original band? And I'm coming out with the remastered two two albums Desmond Child and rouge albums so our fortieth year anniversary and new music from from that group. So it's it's busy around here right. That was kind of like a Tony Orlando and dawn. Time no come on now. Now you've like now now now we're I'm ready to fight you know. We were so much cooler than than well. I don't WanNa say that because Tony Orlando is a cool Caz more of a contemporary style style. Right well I mean they were really a big act on TV and everything we were like underground punk irs and in New York. But we're combining dining dance beats with rock and roll and kind of storytelling kind of East village storytelling. So Oh it was more like the kind of predecessor. Something like the scissor sisters or something like that. It was very very rock in New York a a lot of energy. And it's funny because you guys even actually were on silent live as the musical guest. I know it was a crazy year. We put out two albums the same year trying to find ourselves ourselves and all out Jesus it was a lot for us. You know we were in our early twenty s and we weren't ready to handle all that kind of stuff and of course. Everybody was talking in our ears individually saying you don't need the group you could be star on your own. And so then of course everybody couldn't wait to fly out there and do their solo records and then forty years later. We're putting out the desmond. Child live is the record. I'm just going to read this for and we'll go through some of these songs later but starts with an never heard of this one living on a prayer. That's a desmond you give love a bad name. Angel Dude looks like lady. I was made for Lovin Avenue. How can we be lovers? We all sleep alone. I mean living La Vida Loca. I mean dude I mean can you. Can you leave some good songs for some other people right. Okay please. I mean it's amazing though because when you talk about all of these different acts on all these different brands you see you were and are the songwriter to go to. If you're looking for a hit hit well it kind of was like a thing because the bands were competitive then and so my my crossing over from being an artist with with with Desmond Child and Rouge was writing a song with Paul Stanley of Kiss. who was a fan of ours and he would come and hang out with this and these little clubs in New York and they said Hey? Why don't we try in writing a song and so We did and that was. I was made for Lovin. You and that's when I was experimenting with a drum machine and the idea of having dance dance beats with rock Had occurred to me so I kind of hoodwinked him into this idea of this. Like four on the floor dance beat with these heavy guitars. Gene never bought it. He never liked it. He doesn't he doesn't know you know I remember. Once they made a record. I think it was the elder with and they and they they started doing hundreds of interviews Saying well this time we're we're putting guards in front of the door to keep desmond child out and I was so hurt you know it's like I call ball and I said Paul want you like criticize your enemies not the friends that put money in your pocket and he says well you know that's gene. It's not me so like the next. I came home and there was a message on my answering machine and it was like hi. It's Jean sorry any any hang up hangs up. That was his apology. Scott one right but we're still you know after all these years he's been amazing Friend and supporter and actually mentor. And so that really was a game changer for kiss and also to like a whole different style l. of music. Because if you look at that time frame a lot of rock acts went into kind of a disco type five whether it be miss you from the stones or do you think I'm sexy so I was made is love and kisses delving into that. It was a huge hit for them. I think that we kind of paved the way for a lot of that stuff. I mean the the song was singular in its uniqueness and ever since then popular music hasn't been the same because people started to say. Hey you can mix genres. You'd have to just do one kind of music and I think that was kind of really wonderful. Egalitarian thing that happened and the next decade you you know. Brought US prince and Michael Jackson and Madonna. And you know George Michael and Boy George and like so many great acts the eurythmics rhythmic Dave Stewart and ally any Lennox and all of that using those dance beats and then singing these cool hip things against against us. It's like if you're talking about Michael Jackson thriller was based Around Dance With Rock Guitars and beat. It's the perfect example of that right. which would be begat from? I was made for Lovin Avenue in a lot of ways. If you look at it that way he owes me he doesn't so I'M GONNA go up to heaven and and collect of surprise. You never wrote a tune with Michael Jackson. I tried to he asked after I had this joy. Norma S- run with Ricky Martin. Livin La Vida. Loca she bangs shake your Bon Bon. The Cup of live right all of that. I got a message that Mr Jackson wanted to meet me so I flew to New York. I went into this townhouse own house where he had. I think he was already on the run and Neverland was over and I go into this long kind of Dining room that could seat fifty people and these gorgeous paintings but it was all very dark and he comes in and his Silk Striped Pajamas and and Baseball cap and big glasses. And you know and we talked for like an hour and so basically basically he wanted to know everything about Ricky Martin so he was Kinda using me to say well. Where does ricky go on vacation? What what kind of music does he listen to? who were his influences? And you know like he loved fame and he would try to dissect you you know all the famous people from Elizabeth Taylor to Brooke Shields to the Princess Diana who he was obsessed with and he would try. Hi to kind of understand how it is that the public the public's imagination is ignited by these special people and he. He became the master of it. So it just didn't work out those far as together I went back to my back to Miami and we said we're going to write the following week so I flew back again very expensive flights hotels everything and of course I was paying for it for for myself and so I get to the studio at the appointed time at ten. AM at Sony Studios in New York. And you know there was like a big a table like a layout of food like catered a lunch meats and cheeses and all this kind of stuff could have fed like an army and then I walked in all these cubbies above the catch. Where all these like stuffed animals and on the catch was a giant gorilla? Fake Gorilla couldn't The the you know the engineers were there waiting and so now it was twelve and he wasn't there and I started getting really hot under the under the collar so so I decided to call the House and he I call and somebody picks up the phone and goes. Oh Mr Child. It's Mr Mr Jackson's very ill. He's very very ill. He can't come to the studio. We tried reaching. You are weekend which it was not true and it was him talking to me. Oh Wow yeah like. As voices so identifiable. There was no one else there. Mr Jackson's ban the Harry ill so I just like okay. Well then you can have his people call my people and that was the end of it right just talking about how. How your process when you sit down with somebody to right as long as before you explain how you approach it? Let me tell everyone listening. How to approach Omaha steaks favourite gift package when it shows up at the front door? Rip Open the walks but those steaks straight on your Grill Omaha. steaks is a great gift that families including mine have loved across the United States for over one hundred years and right now Omaha steaks sharing an amazing easing limited. Time holiday. Offer with you guys to help you get a jump on your holiday shopping. Just go to Omaha steaks dot com and enter the code Jericho in the search bar to order the favourite gift. 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Do you sit down with somebody for a while and get a sense for them. How do you write with with different people like Steven Tyler and Alice Cooper Ricky Martin etc etc.? Well I think my gift is that I have a lot of empathy and I can get into a situation and I can put personalities Eddie's with humor and pretty soon they relaxed and they start you know I start asking a few little pointed questions like what's going on in your life and then they said well I just got divorced. I said really what happened there. And then pretty soon tears and all the secrets and the dirt on the person that they hey and you know oh everything starts pouring out of them almost like a therapist right but I don't have the code of having to keep anything secret in the nation hippocratic. Oath the doctor patient relationship and so it ends up in a song so I never come with anything but maybe a title really that comes to my mind because I come in cold but a lot of rival bands. That didn't get to work with me. Started calling me the song doctor because they magin that those bands you know were writing some crap crap songs and then I came in there and and turn them into you know. Fix them fix them. But that's never really been the case. I'm a true collaborator. And they had chemistry where certain bands like aerosmith. And and of course with Paul Stanley of kiss and Jon Bon. Jovi and Richie Sambora and Alice Cooper Joan Jett I mean I. My gift is that I have empathy and feel what they're feeling and so then we get to the core of what they need to be saying today. Not recreating their hits yesterday because that's that's absolutely deadly for an act. It's interesting when you mentioned the song. Titles 'cause you know I'm in a band to in the song right always come up with titles. I and I'll have a whole iphone now. We're back in the day was little yellow pad of just interesting. Titles that you'd write down and you're kind of the king of the double entendre. Hate myself for loving you and you know what I call the tension of the opposites visits and so that's what any true art has even. If you paint a black canvas at some point you're GONNA put it up on a white wall and they'll be corners. I edges to that canvas that then meet the white. That's contrast of opposites now and so I try to do that. Not only with the title but every line of the song to try to have irony alliteration. So from line to line you'll you'll feel the bump of certain continents that glue it together and also try to write as many clean rhymes. At the ends of words I studied with a with a wonderful songwriter producer. User Bob Crewe. Who wrote all the songs for the four seasons? We spent two years writing songs together. And you know. He was a stickler for having the title. I and and all of these things and once I started working with him then the hits started pouring out of me because I had that in under my belt. So what kind of does he teach you techniques or just ideas or we were supposed to be writing for my solo project. This is after I left. If my group doesn't travel and Rouge in the early eighties and I had a singles deal. I mean I was in such a terrible week position and you know we. Did you know one single and then I got dropped. I mean people didn't really understand me and so then I had a hit at that time. Another other hit with kiss called Heaven's on fire my by the way to me. The best written kiss song of the eighties. The best one of the best choruses of the eighties. I told Oh Paul when they finally started playing on this tour guys like you gotTa play Heaven's on fire it's so high and like just D- tune it or have yes singers. You GotTa do that Song. It's so oh classics. So anyways love on fire that kind of inspired Bon Jovi because they had a song on one of the records maybe the first one called in and out of love in and out of love and that this kind of like kind of tip of the hat to feel feel my heat and so when when Bon Jovi was in Europe opening for Kiss Paul said one at you right with Desmond and and so he gave them my phone number and I walked into this little wooden house in New Jersey. The edge of a vast marsh brown marsh where you kill people in the Godfather where you're parked a car and then you shoot him in the head and dumped them into the marsh and then at the very. The end was a riff oil refinery. All lit up. It was like Emerald City and in this little house Richie. Sambora lived with his parents. So I walk in the very first day and Richie's the host with the most like invites me in and I walked past on his left as his bedroom bedroom. And I look in the Farah Fawcett Kiss posters led Zeppelin you see all the influences and messy. SC bed closed on the floor. Like my son's now and then John was on the wall phone avocado wall phone in the kitchen and enjoy like an avocado. No the avocado color avocado color like they had back in the day. Like leftover from the sixties and with with the big bouffant hair from Louis the fourteenth and the ripped jeans and the jewelry. And you know all of it and you know he was probably talking to manager. Doc mcghee you know so he was like Richie showed me downstairs to the basement. It was like silence. It lands down there. There was a little. It'll FORMICA table with the little rickety Keyboard that was kind of like teetering on it. Some space heaters buzzing some amps buzzing a a coup- couple of guitars on stands and some dirty transom windows. It was dark and weird down there and like I I like sat there here for a while and then finally they both came downstairs and the very first thing I did was pull out the title. Had in my back pocket literally written on a little piece is a paper that said you give love a bad name and the minute. I said the title John's Face I saw my first glimpse of the billion dollar Bon. Jovi we smile though all those teeth you know. And then he had a song called shot through the heart so he's not want to let a good hook to go to waste. I saw he said shot he said shot through the heart. And your to blame and then three of you give love a bad name and that was our first three way high fiving a- and we just kept rolling from there was that song of under a different title or different guys released earlier like in Europe or something by Bonnie Tyler yes. I solely written a song called. If you were a woman and I was a man that started out at Capella. It was produced by Jim Steinman so I had written it to order. Jim had called me and he said you know I need a song. That has a chorus like Should sound like you know Bruce Springsteen and the verse I should sound like the Like Tina Turner and then the beast sections gotta be like the police. So you know it was like I I put it together versus went. How's it feel to be a woman? How's it feel to be a man We really that different rent. Tell me where we stand. That was a Tina Turner part and then came the police part. I look at you you look away. Why why do we say we're night and day you know and then comes the chorus that went if you're And and I was man good like that is kind of like a knockoff of because the night right right right so the cords and you know it's kind of like had that feels like a real Jersey anthem so because that song had not hit in the US. I was like you know. I'm not want to let a good hook go to waste either so I suggest that I was started playing on the keyboard. This kind of like dern turn turn turn turn turn turn turn turn turn to enter enter and Richie was like man. That sounds like Michael Jackson's Billie Jean. You know is that are the eurythmics man. I Said said play it on guitar but like really kind of distorted but like like choke Jim Jinjiang Jinjiang and he did it and and it was like magic you know so everybody brought something to the table and it created a new style really. It really opened the door because because when they went to make the record the Bass player put in a lot of. R&B kind of motown rhythm to it and living on a prayer had that as well to do do you know and so it had something for everybody and their music Jerky Red Label and but it had an edge. People were calling calling heavy metal. But if you look at it closely really wasn't heavy metal. It was just like you know pop music with an edge and some and guys that looked heavy metal. But isn't that the crux of any great song. I would say that the best songs whether it's heavy metal whether it's arm be whether it's Scott whether it's rap. I can always if you envision five guys in New York back alley with the barrel and fire and their do op singers shot and you'll eh. Whatever it could be jazz it up anywhere you want but a good hook is a good hook no matter who sings it? Well that's right and no that's not right because it has to really fit the soul of the artists that things that interesting. Yeah you know. And that's one of the reasons. I'm very sensitive also to the Ark type of the artist I'm working with you know lightning. Well you know there are types that have been with us since the Greek and Roman Times Sir before it you know. Pagan Gods and goddesses that represent things that are hardwired in our system to worship tip that you know help our survival the Sun God or whatever it is and we had to believe in something and then in those days they would have many different faceted Venus Mercury Zeus Pan which was the devil and all these kinds kinds of strange creatures so then once we had mass-media and started in the early days of the Hollywood you would see that they put out archetypes like beautiful blonde Venus are they put out these witchy Girls with with messy hair. That would be Medusa. And the you'd have you know the hero Dudley. Do Right are that you had Snyder Lee whiplash so so if you were to put Jon Bon Jovi in one character. Would he be Dudley. Do Right or Snyder. Whiplash delete e right exactly and who with Alice. Cooper be exactly because you know John would is was like the all American boy the boy next door the working class hero rallies cooper was a creature that represented our darkest nature. And you know when when you talk to Alice Cooper. You know he's the sweetest most spiritual kind as a But when we went to when I worked with Allison called trash you know. He sat me down and explain the rules. He said well you know. I'm not Alice Cooper and I said what I'm Vincent Alice Cooper. It was originally the name of my band but then everybody started calling me. Alice so Alice Cooper is is a character and so it's like a character in a play so when we write for Alice Alice is you know is someone who does the Nada thing but then always has to get punished in the end so if he cuts the head off a doll than his head has to go off on the Guillotine and so we wrote this very fun. It's kind kind of an OPERETTA called trash and all of the bands that I was working with and other fantastic people like Kane Roberts and Jesus so many people came came in to work on this Joan. Jett Bon Jovi. Ozzy in that album now can get us. But we had Steven Tyler and you know and they were all writing and singing on the record so as a real community effort it was like a real. Oh Barn raising here. You know 'cause you know at that time you know Alice you know he's he's not ambitious person you know. He's like very very cool to just play golf. And Yeah you know. Chef won't have that those shifts ambitions and so he he loves it but only if it's like easy and so which gives them a relax and also gives them an object objectivity to his work because he's not Chasing anything and I think that's Zen quality about him as the reason he's been successful now six decades and he's a true American icon. I think they should put him up on Mount Rushmore. She he should be the next head. Washington Lincoln Cooper. Exactly exactly someone else who worked with Aerosmith. I wanted to write with Steven Tyler and Joe Perry but before we talk about your work on the permanent vacation album. 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John Klausner And he you know they had arrowsmith and made a record called done with mirrors. That which really wasn't that successful and so they kind of forced me. John Forced forced me on the on the band they had never written with with an outside Riley and Not even a producer. I mean they just were very pure and you know about their thing and so I was flown to Boston. A LIMO takes me to this big giant warehouse where they had set up the stage setup with mountains of Marshall AMPs on the four. Though there were there was an army of guitars. A hundred guitars in rows like like every kind of sparkle sparkle telecaster. You Know Gibson Les Pause of Special You know vintage Eh. And and kind of boot teak ones rare ones and they were all in a row. You know Tiger Leopard. You know diamonds every single kind so I walk in and Steven comes up to me long. Walk up to the big warehouse doors. I and I just like walk in there and I was a little bit overwhelmed. I didn't know what to expect. Stevens wonderful people pleaser type person and he. It was very warm and he said Hey. Why don't you come here and listen to this? So Joe was off on the side of the stage where the sound guy was and they were looping guitar guitar backwards and it was going on nine Nannette none kind of what they call the like Boogie. woogie kind of Nannette Nannette Nana and then Stephen started singing. Crews and foil delayed is done crews and full the latest is and the very first words out of my mouth and they stopped and they look to me. I said that's really bad. I don't think Ben Hale in would put the B side of their worst record. Wow and I said you know cruising for the latest like a top down sunset strip. That's that's the most tired imagery you know. And Joe now is getting all curled up arms crossed looking at me sideways and Stephen. You know who's was still trying to be nice said well you know when I first started seeing that if I was singing dude looks like a lady. What Dude looks like a lady then enjoy interests interjected and said we don't know what that means but I said okay guys I'm gay? I know what that means. Ah Bear with me and little by little. I got them to agree to make the song about this normal dude that just you you know working class dude. That just walks into a bar and sees this gorgeous blonde up on the stage and then goes goes back stage after the show and you know and then she whips out a gun tries to blow me away and the wonderful. The thing about the song is especially the second verse which Goes Never Judge a book by its cover who you GonNa love by your lover. And and that's a song of acceptance. It's not like he ran away right. You know because later. He says math donkey lady. I lack lagging laggy lack like that. So I mean you know sometimes the song has been criticized by bt kind of LGBT EH. I should know that I'll G bt Hugh de whatever it is now all these different the different things start adding to the line to the lineup And sometimes we'd been criticized. That dude looks like a lady's kind of like an insert insult to transgender noman. Listen to the second verse. Never judge a book by its cover. WHO YOU'RE GONNA love by your lover if that it is in like open your heart you know? I don't know what it is and so that song helped to put them right back on the map. I mean that went straight to the top up and then we went on from there. You know we wrote Angel and crazy and what it takes and I think have written about twentysomething songs with them through the years I it used to be like one for example when because I'm a big kiss fan eighties fan kissing the eighties. Because that's the air I got into kiss and I would always look at the album like you go to take the bus downtown by. I would look at it any Desmond Child Song. I automatically like like before I even heard it because I love Paul Desmond's collaborations and then when that went onto the aerosmith than Alice. Cooper Anytime Desmond Child and that's going to be a good song even before I even and nine times out of ten. They'd be killer tunes they mean so I've only written one really bad song which one with Kiss L. which one it's called you make me rock hard. That's also on the same Almaz. Let's put the accident sex drills that song but there's also also night that I actually think that that one's a really good song. Yeah but let's put the accent. Sex was like a joke in a way. 'cause we hit co written with Diane Warren who hoodwinked and dragged her into the session with me and Pau and before the session. What are we gonNA ride? Let's come up with a tidal title. So he said Oh you make me rock hard and we just giggled and laughed. I said I'll never go for that. It's just so stupid. You know so obvious. 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The loca which made ate it all the way to number one and it was the first song we made recording history. It's the first song completely recorded. Digitally in the box is what they called it at that time mixed in the box. Everything in the box and we we went all the way to number one and the Wall Street Journal reported it as a recording history. Every moment it's the first time recorded on computers. You mean on computers with pro tools. Gotcha and these Mac keyboards little digital boards. We didn't go into a studio studio or anything like that. The drums were all programmed. Everything and it really. I mean there was an article that came out today. That said you you know that Livin La Vida loca was the thing that changed the course of Latin music forever because the the trajectory from living lobby the loca to d'esposito written by Erika Ender and Luis Fonsi and was number one just last year for thirty seven weeks. I mean it was crazy. Roese the sound of music changed because the digital sound gave it an edge that when you heard it even on a little speaker just jumped Out and also prior to that Latin music producers. We're using a lot of reverb on everything and a lot of kind of pop elements elements that we're really in the nature of Latin music. So one of the things I wanted to do. When I went back to work in Miami and live there was to combine all the the kind of things I had learned from? Kiss Bon Jovi and aerosmith this. You know how to write for stadium anthems and put it into Latin music and I had you know then there was this you know gorgeous young Latin Star that had already been famous already had an image and he was signed to Columbia records and his name is Ricky Martin and and I worked with him and his producer Draco Rosa drawn. I actually wrote and produced. The songs and Ricky was very busy touring so he would come in and we get him for a couple of hours and get him to sing and it was. You know that's how we did it. And we had the World Cup team La Vida which the cup of life which was the what he sang. Hang on the grammy's and from that moment on it was like a whole new world and all the other Latin producers and all that it's like who the heck is is his desmond child. What is that Gringo doing here and in our market and so you know the thing is is that they didn't realized that I'm actually Cuban then I grew up in Miami and I went to High School in Miami Beach and you know I? My grandmother sauce danced announced. I mean I grew up with my mother was the songwriter. Casaus who wrote beautiful Latin Boleros and so they didn't they just woke up to the fact that hey I'm one of you and so it's it's been a wonderful journey. Because this year I helped co found the Latin Latin songwriters hall of fame and we have a show called La Mussa awards which happens every art late October and we just celebrated our seventh annual Alamosa wards And the whole Latin industry really takes it seriously and we had a pit bull this year and like an amazing some people. If you if you think about it you know you basically did with Latin music. That what you did Wi with combining rock with dance beats on. I was made for Lovin. You you did did the same thing. Thirty years later. Twenty years later wherever was levied a local because now I'm just doing the same old thing for fifty years but his trailblazing. Because like you mentioned after Ricky did that then you get Shakira. And then there's a pit bull and like you said Despacito and it's just one after another but it started with La Vida loca as far as I. Yeah a layman standpoint. I think that's another kind of indirect yet. Pioneering Desmond Child technique as as well. Yeah I want to just show. You came out today. This article about today as the Latin grammys turned turned twenty the US is living La Vida Loca Latin music has never been more central to pop culture. They go right perfect February ninety nine Ricky Mart then made music history Cova Vida. Yeah I mean. That's Lindley look at the Latin explosion which basically was quarterback by Desmond Child. That's right that's what I told them you tell them so. It's funny to me that they're not funny. It interesting that you have your record desmond child live. Which is Y- is this? The first time you've ever sang these. These songs live in front of Corral. These three nights that I did in a little club in New York City called Feinstein's fifty four below underneath the famous studio fifty four. Okay that's where the you know. Kind of the orgy room was originally a lot of drugs. Were done down there and I. I brought all my friends together and we recorded three nights. And that's what makes this record but the truth is I've never performed live as a solo artist. Ever I had my group back then for a couple of years I never been on a stage performing. You know my own music. So it's a very it's a very very unique record. You know because it's me doing the songs to my way and it's kind of fun being able to hear it strip down from another perspective. Seeing the lead vocals to which of these songs is the hardest for you to sing. I think you WanNa make a memory. which is one of the hits that I had with Bon Jovi and it had like for me? It's like I to sing it. I have to really like reach up therefore the for the notes and all that but I had some help with some of the other songs. Wonderful Young twenty two year old rock singer Justin Been Lolo. WHO's IT'S ON I? I know he's you know the label. He's on his associated to universal. He's making his record now. Tabitha Fair Saying and and also Lena Hall the. Tony award-winning Lena. Hall who saying Joan Jett's I hate myself for loving you. which by the way has had a new come back because it's been the theme song at first? It was Monday night football and then became Sunday night football and it was originally sung by Faith Hill Pink and then they brought in Carrie Underwood who everyone thought. Oh No. She shouldn't sing that she should think some country thing so for a few years they tried tried this country theme song and it didn't work right. Made her go right back. And now she's right there rocking out with Joan Jett playing guitar and it could not be prouder. I can't wait for Sunday night. I can't wait for Sunday night. Yeah so that's what's called an interpolations AAA right. But that's a wonderful thing when when when there's a melody that's classic like that you can put any lyrics to it like in let's say a translation other languages and it's still the same song so the music industries changed so much Dez and record sales really thing anymore it's all streaming and downloads. How has that impacted your royalties and the way? You're paid a songwriter. I WANNA get into that but before we do. You guys have heard me talk wireless ear buds and how much I love mine. They're half the price. As of any other premium wireless ear buds used and they sounded just amazing. Great base tune. If you haven't bought a pair today is your lucky day because recon just released the best model yet. The twenty-five five six hours of playtime seamless Bluetooth pairing more based like I said and a more compact design that gives you a nice noise. ISOLATING FIT Reykjanes Raikov wireless ear. Buds are so comfortable. That's why love wearing mine on long flights. 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Don't forget give the gift of great listening at by RECON DOT com slash Jericho. Let me ask you this stuck in the eighties and nineties and how many records were sold up until a certain point probably about two thousand and four or five. When record sales started going down announced pretty much nonexistent? Does it still. Do you still receive royalties like you used to now with streaming and all these other ways mentioned Monday night football football us your version of your song well with the streaming. I mean the rates are slowly going to lift but I'll give you an example both Last year limit on a prayer got Half a billion streams between Pandora and spotify. That's as much as is a current hit song right on at least thirty or thirty years later and might take home pay with six thousand dollars. You're kidding me that was it. Wow how and so you know. Song writers have really gotten the the short end of the stick When all this was set up at the beginning? And so that's why we've been fighting and fighting. Last year we had a victory with the music modernization. Act that was signed. One hundred percent bipartisan. Nobody said Nay. They both houses of Congress and President Trump signed it into law. And but but it's GonNa take six years seven years for us to see any different. So is a great start but also got everybody aware that you know songwriting. In writing as a as a vocation art. It's a career aside from the art. Like working songwriters in Nashville on me. Oh they used to be able to maybe get a song on a Tricia earwood record and feed their family. And now that's not the case unless you're songs a single angle. And so when I first came to Nashville in Nineteen ninety-one when rock died and Nirvana came in and I said Komo God and I heard some music that sounds like Bon Jovi but with a Twang it was garth brooks and I said okay. I'm going to go there and get a song with Garth Brooks works so I came to Nashville and I wrote my first song with Victoria. Shaw called where your road leads. which was the song that Garth Brooks Sang with Tricia? Two Year would and made them fall in love so the yet that I made country music history. It was not the biggest hit but we may country music history with that case as rock and Roll Dino Music do but my point was when hey I got here. There were five thousand. Plus riders signed two publishing companies. Big and small. I think last count was like two hundred sixty seven. You know right right that have actual deals. Yeah and a lot of the independence all sold out to the the big the corporations and so all those catalogues have been combined but nobody knows those catalogs so you know there's each could there could be millions upon on millions of song the nobody's hearing because only the people that wrote them who may not even be around anymore knew about them and so that's that's kind of what happens you know and so then music just because about what's single do you have today right. What about like for like for example Classic Rock Radio? I mean there's a desmond child. Song probably played once an hour probably hundreds of times around the states around the world. Oh well that's what I was gonNA say terrestrial radio how is really you know. And maybe when people licensed the songs to be in a movie and all that that's the only place we get a fair share of the bread and butter and so that's you know it's it's a nickel and dime business but you know if you get played enough times there's enough to feed your family family right and so I'm just hoping that you know territories like China start paying royalties instead of of just manufacturing copies of our songs and ignoring our copyright laws. It's time that all the countries in the world respect act each other's intellectual property that in South America to right. It's just kind of no. That's better isn't better in Latin America. Yes especially the you know. Every country in Latin America has a P R o And they all you know when I'm working at the Latin whereas fame. They all work with us. And they submit the names of their top riders for you know induction or to be honored They're actually paying. But you know in certain territories. We're we're we're getting nothing but you can be assured that my sons are known by our heard by almost everyone on earth absolutely you know conversion you know they don't even know who wrote it or who's saying it they all they know is they know the song So that's why I think I still have a chance. Let's with my record doesn't child live. No that's my song. That's my song. W Kinda crossing over into into the movie. Business mentioned that you're producing move on. It's a very interesting subject that I think a lot of people have forgotten about talking about Lou. Pearlman the manager. The creator of the Backstreet Boys Twenty years ago. A young Swedish songwriter came to visit me because he was on this. Kind of quest quest his lifelong quest because he was like such a total kiss fan was to meet everybody and anybody that had anything anything to do with kiss so he was in Florida and he stopped by to see me and we made really great friends. His name is Andrea Carlson and he started telling me about. Oh town which is what Blue Perlman named Orlando and the boy bands. And the kind of like it was like like motown so they called it right so it was a real music making factory and they dealt in. You had a couple of all girl bands all-girl pop bands but mainly it was boy bands. You know and Loop Rahman was a you know financial genius. But but he also you know in order to bankroll the whole operation. He started a half a what. Is it like yeah. Five hundred million dollar Ponzi on scheme. Half a billion dollar Ponzi scheme on the made off level. Right that bankrupted many re retirees and the Tampa Bay area And he was able with those bands to keep paying the dividends but when the band's left him everything started you. You know dry up and the the investors started calling the feds saying I didn't get my checks. There's something wrong here so then. The new started getting tighter and tighter veteran tighter and he started all these crazy other little bands. That didn't make it. And then finally you know the new Scott so tight he went on the run and and He ended up in Bali where Somebody saw him snapped picture and the feds you know came and extradited him so he. He's risen when he was taking investments from people to to fund the backstreet boys for only. Actually it was the other way around it was they were so successful but but the thing is that he couldn't back out of the game he had started the like the original money helped to fund the making the backseat Boyz. He spent three million dollars before are they had their first hit on the backstreet boys. I understand on traveling on videos on clothes on mall tours and wish everything it before they hit with their first single he made that investment but that money came from the Ponzi scheme but later the cash you know on the table that it took took to run the Ponzi scheme was coming from the proceeds of the backstreet boys and saying and they weren't getting their fair share so they left him and took him to court and eh the whole thing was crazy. How'd you get involved in producing a movie about him? Well because back in one thousand nine hundred when he told me about said this should be a movie now. None of the the. The story didn't even get good to later but I just thought he was a fascinating character and actually he and I were honored by. The grammys is with the narrowness Governor's Award in Florida. So you know it's so amazing. I looked at the invitation. I saw my name right next to his. And that's when I met him the one and only time I met him. But I you know Andress and I- optioned the rights to a book called the hit charade by Tyler or grey and there was also a very intense article in Vanity Fair by. Brian Burrow. Called mad about the boys and We option that article is well and with those rights. We were able to make a partnership with pressman film. Who had done American psycho on? I mean they'd made eighty five. I films and Greg Basser who had been the head of Roadshow village roadshow now. He has a new company called gentle giant. He's Australian and David Anton whose marketeer guru and branding girl and We've been just working on putting this movie together and it's all all rolling forward and we're like really excited because we'll get to write a lot of new music You know especially because you know all these bands you know that are kind of you know that he tried desperately to do. We can write all those off so have you cast yet. No no no that the director will do do that. We're chasing like this very big director right now in like taking months. But it's worth the wait and we haven't they haven't said No. Oh so it's like it's made for for movies especially the fact that everyone knows the backstreet boys and Justin Timberlake and in Saint and all that sort of stuff well. It's not really going to be about them because the movie starts when they actually left him Gotcha but still end the Ponzi scheme. It's a crime story with music. They'll be flashbacks. Yes so we're not telling the life story of any of those you know really interesting characters but you might see some flashbacks of you know the those bands performing awesome songwriter. You've been doing recently like Katy Perry and said but before we get to your a modern work I gotta talk about something. Diamond Dallas page. It's been doing recently with his dby my program he's been changing lives and helping people alleviate pain and soreness he can do the same for you is an awesome workout. 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EDM Hit so that was a number one hit. So basically I've managed a number one hit every for every five decades at least one so so I'm good till next year. And actually there's a song coming up that are co wrote with the Max. She's a pop artist and so I have the next single on that so I'm really excited about it and did you say that you had one with a alice. Cooper coming up. Oh yes well. I'm GONNA be dropping singles on my own that are going to be duets with artists that I worked with. But it's of New Music Nick so the first one up is Alice. Cooper is a great partner to to be with right. Yeah so I guess coming down to it. What are you book over to? Some of these stories will be in the book. Yeah how'd you like reading a read and tell us what your book well. I decided that I needed an autobiography Agra. Fay's so I. I read this amazing book about Aretha. Franklin called respect. That was A biography it was an unauthorized biography. Written by David Ritz and I tracked him down and I went to see him and he's he's amazing he's just like a zen his tattoos and shaved head and like he's like a zen master and I went to see him. I mean he's he's written books. Ray Charles Marvin Gaye like the biggest stars including Joe Perry's book and He's been working on one. Now with Lenny Kravitz and so I went to see him. In within seconds he started asking me questions and I burst into tears. Um It was like wow you know. The little pointed questions. He started asking me like you know and so he agreed to do it. And we spent three and a half years writing it now. Yeah and we're still tweaking it and it's going to be released the spring And it's called living on a prayer big songs things. Big Life with David Ritz. And I'm very proud of it and You know it's painful looking back. It really is because I had a very very difficult childhood. My mom was a single mom. We lived in the ghettos. Really the projects of Liberty City and You know she was a songwriter and she struggled to get her songs. Cut and When I made it you know my first money with I was made for loving you? I you just said okay. You're not you're not allowed to bring one thing. I bought all new clothes new furniture new pods and bans Everything bothering apartment. Miami beach new car. You know knew everything and you know I had her living like a queen till she passed away okay so that was a big motivating factor for me to be successful to be able to take care of my mom. Stock your biggest song living on a prayer. We haven't really talked about it a lot. I mentioned when we were sitting together at the battle of the bands. I said what you a song you said by forest prayer book after it. Tell us a little bit about about that tune in kind of the. Who's Tommy whose GINA does that? You're tuned Johnston well. No we wrote the song rich and we wrote this on from scratch. We several weeks makes before we had already written. You give love a bad name. So I came back and then We borrowed an apartment from a friend of mine. Doug Schneider that was on. Twenty Third Street treated Nathan off of off of Eighth Avenue in New York City and was tiny apartment. But it had this beat up old upright grand piano Half the notes were sticking and all yellow keys and they sat in chairs behind me and You know John unwanted to write a story song so you know what. I started playing these spooky chords on the piano that You know inspired a lot by my one of my heroes is Laura Niro and why. Ro and my son's named after her which he doesn't like but And so you know this. I think the three of US brought our own story to the to the story of Tommy Gina. I mean for me I before you know in Desmond Sean Rouge I had co founded the group with my girlfriend at the time Maria Vidal and she used to work at a little diner called once upon a stove love and the they had singing waiters and waitresses and her stage name. There was Gina Velvet. And so you know my original my name is John Barrett so you know like I was johnny and so I suggested Johnny and Gina because it had alliteration and John said none. Oh I'm Johnny. I can't sing about like people think I'm singing about myself. And so then we kind of like picked picked out of the. I don't know which one said Tommy was. It's like a sound alike. And that's when Tommy and Gina were born you the story a story saw very much springsteen type idea which of course Jon Zeros sure well really I mean. I don't see it quite that way. You now because my influences so much Laura Niro and so it really it to me sounded more like that but you know I think when you know the kind of antenna choruses I think it did the following the kind of because the night kind of again you know kind of we. Don't we beat it to death. You know that that kind of Lifting feeling and when we got to the the pre chorus which was we got hold onto. What we got? Doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. We got each other and that's a lot for love. We'll give it a shot. That was the chorus an and then I don't know something said let's write another course on top of that. And that's you know an on. Never Forget Richie when we were seeing. Oh we're halfway there and then Richie shouted out. Oh he was the one that came up with not the goes up and that was like the second high five triple high five. Richie came up with the most most butchered note and Karaoke history. Absolutely but I mean like like you said every football game every one of the one the best songs in modern music history for sure. I got a text from a friend of mine. WHO's a congressman from Georgia Georgia? His name is Doug Collins and you know we may not agree on politics but he is like one in most fantastic people warm arm and really understands music and a real hero at the you know for songwriters in really led the fight. You you know for the music modernization. Act And he texted me a billboard. He said ninety five thousand people were singing living on a prayer Karaoke at game over in Georgia and he was there and it was like wow ninety five thousand at I mean at once and he was like right there and like I saw lyrics on the screen. I mean. That's a good feeling. You know going to a Bon Jovi concert. I mean they do a lot of songs that we co wrote together You know so so many great ones. I know it'd be my baby and so many you know the faith. Fake keep the face amazing as a tune. Yeah and But of course you know John will never sing living on a prayer to the very last song of the very last encore. So now it's eleven thirty quarter to twelve and parents of the kids are like asleep on their shoulders. You know with the little earplugs on and that no one will leave. No one will leave without hearing that song so he keeps that audience in the palm of his hand all the way. They're waiting for it but then when they do play. You can't hear the band zoo it all. You hear people screaming at the top of the lungs like if their lives depended on it that at anthem screaming at you can't hear the band. It's like most amazing experience. It's like goose bumping and you see people. They're older people. So you know in their seventies eighties white hair and then these little toddlers are there. You're looking at like three or four generations all loving you. You know that same song something you created. Yeah you know and I just like I feel very fulfilled with all of that and You you know it's been the song that has kept going. We call it living room on a prayer last two questions for besides what are your. What are your three biggest biggest songs? Living on a prayer Livin. La Vida Loca. I hate myself for loving. You Dude looks like a lady now. It's more than three I mean they're they're they're loving you. Oh that's that's like in the top top one or two. I mean I I was made for loving you get so much. Mileage huge remember the movie. Why him it was all over that and there's gene playing you know we'll just probably thinking about the paycheck? Ah Even We had this was dance. Fever celluloid kids dance along with the the the silhouettes on the video game and I danced I was made fluffy with my kids probably fifty times DASS party dude altogether and everything like that. Is there a song years. That's your favorite. That wasn't a huge hit. Well yes a song that I wrote with Paul Stanley and Holly Knight called. Hide your heart and we I. I recorded it with Bonnie Tyler and and her whole record had one hit after the other. I mean I was able to get a song out of Holly Knight. That was one of the best songs in the world that I'd ever heard I didn't co-writer she wrote Colorado with Mike Chapman and it's called simply the best and the record company said you don't have any hits on this record. Aw simply the best and two years later. Tina Turner cuts it two years later so then. Bonnie couldn't do it in her show anymore. Because it's song yeah it. It wasn't her song anymore. It sounded like she was doing a cover right but she was the one that brought that song to life and Tina's version is exactly like hers so I mean I had that song You know just like Jesse James. I had so many many hit songs you know. Hide your heart And people you know at the record company they just didn't hear it and and it you know there's a problem between the US company. At the time and the English company she was signed to and they were having internal fights and she got like slipped right through the cracks ax. And she's the most adorable Gr one of the greatest most prepared singers. We did it up at bear sound. She never brought a lyric into the into the into the Psalm booth. She knew the song hearten. I never saw an artist do that right and and she'd sing at once twice this maybe three times it would perfect and so it was one of the joyous joyous experiences Making that record and you'll you'll oh you listen to that record and you hear one hit after the other after the other including my version of to love somebody by the BG's that she sang two years later Cacao Bolton had a number one with that same arrangement so you know. I've had a very amazing life. I've been blast and continue to be blessed and you know I work really hard. I I was blessed with talent and also you know all the things that I thought were against me being Latino being poor Being gay all of those things turned out were the pluses that made me who I am today character. Well Desmond. What an honor to talk to you? Like a said Latin Music Disco Rock Country Music putting together garth brooks year. Would I mean come on man. He continue cure cancer next please. anti-cancer saw thanks okay. Hey let's do it now. No Mall Chansa thanks bye. Desert Child's new record is called Desmond Child Live. It's a great collection of all the hit tunes. He's he's written over. The years performed by Desmond himself and his great band so get wherever you stream or download music. And how many hits does this guy have. It's absolutely unbelievable. So seventy the top top forty hits desmond great guy and a great show coming up on Friday. He's the Spanish God. 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Desmond Child (Hall of Fame Songwriter for Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Kiss, Ricky Martin, etc) Shares His Story

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Desmond Child (Hall of Fame Songwriter for Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Kiss, Ricky Martin, etc) Shares His Story

"Today we interview Desmond Child. The hit song writer for Aerosmith. Bon Jovi Kiss Ricky Martin Joan Jett and countless top forty music artists. That you know his life has been just a little while and on. Today's show we interview Hitmaker Desmond. Child about the importance of having work ethic weekends off. What nights off relaxation? You'RE NOT GONNA make it. You know you have to make your first million bucks first. And then maybe you can take a weakness and that's how it was for me and that's why I stated studio rat for as long as I did after my group broke because it was like one job after the other and I want to make sure I could take my mom and I as soon as I had money and moved her to beautiful apartment in Miami beach during today's interview. We ask Desmond Child about Hell. Music Artists get paid today in the world of digital music on me last year Living on a prayer five hundred billion dreams five hundred million streams last year so my take home pay on that brand we also ask Desmond Child. What his life is like and what his family is like outside of his world of music at the true story of my family before and after the Cuban revolution and my mother had two very beautiful younger sisters and one became the mistress of the dictator Batista and the other one became Castro's lover after the revolution. Some shows don't need us a liberty in the reiter to introduce the show but they show too men. Eight kids co created by two different women thirteen multimillion dollar businesses ladies and gentlemen welcome to birthright time. Show through nine. Yes Yes yes and yes ladies gentlemen on. Today's show we are you. You're in for a laser show as we enter into the DOJ O of Mojo Mr Desmond Child. Onto the thrive time show. How are you thriving? Okay you've already won up to me. I was having a very good day. But you're thriving now I'm going to have so I'm just GONNA nerd out here for a second You've worked with aerosmith. Hit Makers Aerosmith Joan. Jett Bon Jovi. Ricky Martin share. Let's start with the very beginning of your career though. Where did you've had huge success? But where did your career start? Well actually my mother was a songwriter and poet so ever since I was born a song was being written so even when I was playing with blocks on the floor. I'd be sitting next to the piano and then soon soon enough I was standing and sin and speaking and soon enough. I'd be telling her to use this word that word so I didn't know that people didn't write songs so if my mom was was happy she'd write a very beautiful happy song when she visited a city. Kind of like a foreign country or something. She'd write them like an an anthem but when she when she was sad which was really most of the time I could feel that she was really writing what was happening in her life right into this into her songs and eventually. I found out that there are people that were in the world that we're actually non writers. I didn't know that because all of my mother's friends were all songwriters and poets and there was always a party going on and they'd be you know drinking and smoking cigarettes like those madman days. That's when smoking was actually good for you. Oh yeah there was a good branding. Their that pro-smoking branding that America needed now. Because it made you chill and then you know all sudden you know. That was healthy. Well I gotta ask you this because you come across a Happy Guy. You said your mom. A lot of times wasn't happy. Why was your mom not happy? What was going on first of all you know. She was a Cuban immigrant in that came to this this country and you know before the Cuban Revolution. That's why I was born in Gainesville Florida and you know before. Nineteen fifty three. But you know she couldn't speak English It was a man's world especially in the music industry and so she. She found it very difficult. You know she. She was a single mom so she was working odd jobs. She worked at Burger King and That's what we would eat. I did you see a movie. Moonlight Moonlight. I have not seen moonlight. Educate me about. It's a IT'S A. It's a movie that set in projects of Miami and that's where we live in the projects that they shot moonlighting and we lived there for twelve years and You know it was you know that was really difficult and so you know I remember times you know that. Her beat up car had no gas in it so she had to walk blocks and blocks to catch a bus. Maybe two or three buses to get there some crap job would last maybe three or four weeks and then she'd get fired because she was late. You know it was like an. I'd see her. Just you know crying and you know like poverty sucks man. It's like it's first of all you know dangerous it's Boring. It's not good for you. Things are ugly. Our furniture all came off the street so I made about myself that I'd be successful. I'd find a way to take care of my mom. I did pretty like early on. I had my first really big hit with kiss a song called. I was made for eleven years. You're the guy behind that song when it was me and Paul Stanley and our co writer Vinny Pazienza and I had my group Desmond Child and Rouge in New York City and We were playing all these little clubs and Paul got intrigued by our posters and seeing our name stencilled on the sidewalk and he came to see fierce and we made friends and he said. Hey you WANNA try rang song with me and so we did. And that was. I was made for Lovin. You let me ask you this. How did you get in the conversation for these things? Because again your mom had worked at Burger King. You grew up in the projects. How did you get into the conversation with the right people to put together a song for kiss called? I was made for Lovin you. Well I had my group called Desma John Rouge and I was writing songs and I had a girlfriend the time and Her name is Maria Doll but she had a job working in a diner and her like Waitress name was Gena Velvet. So the story of Tommy and Gina in a song I wrote with John. Jovian Richie Sambora Living on a prayer that was you know that's that that's storyline. Was really the way that that we lived in this little apartment in New York City on east eighty first street and I. Was You know I got a scholarship to go to nyu? So I was doing that. I was driving a cab. I was working in a sporting goods store doing a xerox copies and another place and she was working the diner. All Day working ferment. Bring overpay for love. You start the group in nineteen seventy five days desma. Johnson and the rouge. How did you start the band did you? I've never started the band before did did you run around meeting guys at Nyu and then. You guys teamed up. How did you build we? I met Maria at Dade Community College in Miami where I did my first two years of college and she was in the drama department and so I kind of like a stage door Johnny. Actually my name was johnny at the time And I you know I changed it to Desmond For the Beatles Song Blah Blah Desmond's got a barrel in the marketplace and And so What happened was that she and I started. You know wanting to do music together. And so she moved up to New York as well and then we had our two best friends. Miriam Valley. And Diana. Gra Sally singing backups. You know so. The the they rouge. The three and I was writing all songs and I was mainly singing. I was saying half to leads and then each one of them would sing one or two Solos and so then. Eventually we had such a big following the people. Were you know? Lines around the block at the bottom line and tracks and fights would break out and we'd go on stage and they'd scream like we were the Beatles and We got signed by Capitol Records and We may twelve there. We were even the artist featured artists on Saturday night. Live in the Christmas of Nineteen seventy-nine. Oh awesome so. That's on Youtube and we were. Actually you know it's very easy to to be terrible on that. Show the pressure so much in the sound at that time was like so so not so good but We got on the show and we put out two albums. In fact this spring we're going to be releasing the new newly mastered ver- versions of those two albums that it's going to be on. B. M. G. The first two albums and we actually have new music. After all these years we decided to start doing some new songs together. So I'm all over. The place just released an album And they're on it actually. A Little Club Date I did was three nights at Feinstein's fifty four below in New York City underneath the original studio fifty four but now it's a very chic nightclub with very good sound and lights. And so we did those three nights that I compiled the best of and we have an. I have an album out called Desmond. Child live on on Bmg records and so I'm like really thrilled. I've been you know playing little gigs and It's like I start at square one back in the little clubs of New York. We know back in the day when you were on a show like Saturday night live people would watch the show and the Christmas of Nineteen seventy-nine. They would talk about it. You know but now people go on instagram or facebook you know and and so obviously so much of your bag you instantly well so much of your massive time to forget how bad you are well so much of your. Nassif success has happened. You know before this. Instagram and FACEBOOK CRAZE. Are you messing with instagram now? People follow you on Instagram. Absolutely I'm at Desmond Dot Child and I'm obsessed with it. You're on now you you respond to a fans that go up there and and follow you on Instagram Desmond Child. Yeah you have. Somebody asked me a question. I I usually answer. Sometimes I'm telling little stories 'cause Some of it is all going to be. My autobiography called living on a prayer big songs. Big Life with David. Ritz one of the foremost Auto biographers and He and I work for three. And a half years on it telling the whole story of my life and You know I take excerpts from from that because those are the actually things that happen. Put them into my responses The other day that I was asked Something About Dude. Looks like a lady. 'cause we were using that as the as one of that's one of the songs in the show featured by Justin Been Lolo and You know somebody asked if I was singing to know it's just and then and then They asked me some some question about it and I told the story about this guy that worked on at at our house where we were building it here in Nashville and he came in and said you wrote that Aerosmith Song Irish naked lady do a naked lady. That's what he thought. Dude looks like we can we? Can we would like to go. Get your take on this because I went to college with An. I'm sure you've met him or know of him Ryan Petr. He lived right across the hall from college and he filled in for a last minute. Dj Gig for me and then played at our wedding reception. And now he's right and you know for beyond say and you to come across the incredible singer performer unto himself in his also one of the chief judges and producers executive producers of Sao Song Land. Yes I mean. It's incredible show in the last time I. I spend a lot of time with a Ryan. We were at his house and he was working on his album. At the time. I want to ask you. How do you come up with the melodies because Ryan is talked about this at great length that there's a lot of great artists but you have to have an anti-semitic ick chorus if you WanNa have a hit and as you mentioned here a lot of times people know the melody? But they don't even know the words soccer moms a lot of times are driving around going. What you say do do your lady. Would you said that guy thought it was a naked lady naked? People think that's what it is and they're singing that around for years or Woes made who You know people don't know the words does that bother you? And how do you? How do you big horace as it but you know everything grows out of the lyric really out of the title? If you know that's why you know when I the day I met Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. Who had this little long haired band with like ripped jeans and stuff you know and black painted fingernails and all that from New Jersey and the first song we wrote is a title. I had in my back pocket literally written on a little piece of paper in my back pocket that It was You give love a bad name and you know I I said the title and that was my first sight of the billion dollar smile like this though all those teeth you could you could play a Bach Concerto on those teeth. You know like big bright smile and he had a song on a previous album called shot through the heart so he's a shot through the heart because he's never wanted to let a good hook go by so shot through the heart and your to blame and then the three of us said you give love a bad name and that was our first three way you know high five and Couple OF WEEKS LATER. We live in our prayer so You know with that one developed without a title. He just wanted to tell a story like a working class couple. And so I had my story of me and Maria who is called Gina and my original name was johnny so I said Johnny and Gina and then he said No. I can't sing johnny because I'm Johnny and the people think I'm thinking about myself that's really dumb so I think what Tommy 'cause it was a sound like the Johnny and they're they're that's how Tommy and Gina where born now. Okay let me I. I have so many questions here at again. If you're out there right now and you are not if you have the ability to get on Instagram. Lated and check it out. Go to at Desmond Child on Instagram. I'm up there. I mean it's it's so fun to see them. You got you up there with with Bon Jovi you with Barbara streisand. He was so many big iconic figures. And I'm really curious about your craft. So let's go back to. Let's let's go here too. I was made for Lovin. You Talk to me about the craft of writing a song. Are you in a room going dude and like someone else has the lyric or do you? Do you have melody I walk. Walk me through how it comes together that you see I I worked after dozen rouge like the group broke up because Moran I couldn't stay together you know because you know. I realized that I was more gay than by and So I started working with the produce name Bob. Crewe who produced all of the songs with Bob Gaudio for the four seasons and he also wrote Lady Marmalade. You know he wrote when top four songs of all time can't take my eyes off of you and I spent two years working with him and he wouldn't even start us on unless there was a killer title so we'd be writing tidal after title after title on notebooks until we finally so you start with tidal with the title. Yeah okay so steph low when I when I co wrote I was made for loving you with Paul It it it didn't. We didn't have a title yet. It grew out of the lyric anyway. They grew out of the title. Grew out of the the lyric in the verse and You know so. Then when he got in the studio with Vinny Pontiac producer. They added stuff and so I think that's where the Doodoo dues came out. Because they were you know I had kind of convinced them to do kissed guitars over dance. Beat 'cause I had just gotten a little like one of the first drum machines you know tick tap tap you know and so I put it on four on the floor and then You know playing a kiss gourds. You know over that kind of changed the course of Pop music because all of a sudden all these rockers realized that they could create danceable you know anthems and then of course that opened the door for Prince and Madonna. George Michael Michael Jackson. This is nineteen seventy seventy eight when we're fooling around with these at the idea of mixing genres like that so you you're starting with a title earlier. That's Kinda somewhere where you're starting right. You're going there after work with Bob Crewe. Then I started doing those sessions with aerosmith. You know the very first day wrote dude looks like a lady then the next day I wrote Angel just with Stephen You know and I was working with Bon Jovi. And you know we wrote bunch like four songs together for Slippery when wet you know. When does the melody prayer name so so all those came from they were titled Driven? When does the melody come in? Where did you win? Who COMES UP WITH THE MELODY? Wendy you get the melody with lyrics scream out the melody really because language has melody like I just went thought that at the time language has melody. Language has melody out. The language up down has melody. See what I'm saying. So depending on the mood of what the lyric thing. That's when you score the mood. That goes behind it. That's where the music comes from. So the you know. Some of this stuff happened simultaneously because You know you get to the point where you can do that. But it's always the safer bet to get the lyric now figuring out. Is the mood fast mood for that for that lyric? Or is it a somber mood? I mean I heard Song that I wrote with John. Bon Jovi and Richie called happy now. I went to teach at a at a school in New York City. I did some masterclasses and one of the students played Ukulele This beautiful girl and she she. It was SORTA like their program was called. Cover me so everybody's a cover of one of my songs and she wanted and it was just her and Ukulele and she's saying that's on happy now that I hadn't even heard like a year. She made it her own and she said she played it. Like like really slow and it sounded like new so I'm happy now and it was like. Wow that could be hit right now. She she interpreted it and made it her own. And that's the beauty of music you know because times change and sounds change and then all of a sudden you can have the same song like I wrote a Song With Joan. Jett called Hate myself for loving you view. Years Ago They the. Nfl are asked if they could use that as the theme for Monday night football it was and then they moved it to Sunday and We rewrote the lyrics Can't wait till you know Monday night. And then it became Saturday night or Sunday night. Sorry and originally. It was Phil who sang it then came pinks sang it and then they brought to Carrie Underwood who decided. She didn't WANNA sing it. She went to write her own country flavored song. And then she they. It kind of went on for a few years and people kept saying no no no the original songs had more spirit so now now. Carrie Underwood a singing with Joan Jett playing guitar. And it's it's fantastic. I don't know if you've seen the theme that opening I was just watched it this Sunday. I walked every patriots game One Patriots are huge. Bon Jovi fans and Banjos each Patriots Fan. There's a little connection there but I did watch it in your I mean. So how do you get because you're into art? Obviously you love for the art. You love the craft when you're songs getting played on the NFL's theme or Ricky Martin's Livin La Vida loca playing on the radio or living on a prayer. How do you monetize that high-fives do you get instagram followers? There I mean do people just go to a child You know I had this agent Choose passed away. But she was the president of Premier Talent Agency with Frank Barcelona being the chairman for many years they they would be a the you know the top agency and she would like you totally nickel and dime like you know every single penny from the promoters say hey back off your nickel and diming me and she would say. This is a nickel and dime business. And it's true I mean when Songs firms were sold in sheet music. The song writers or songwriter because usually one person wrote the song. They weren't collaborating so much until Broadway and all that came about and they'd get two sets but then when streaming came in you know per stream we get like point you know. I don't know what it is. It's like just a fraction. So how in a Hundred Years Hundred Twenty years? How could the value of music go down instead of up? You know right So the the thing is that you know we've had a very big fight to try to raise our rates on streaming because everything is moving towards dreaming. I mean it's like terrestrial radio still playing and we get paid. You know Fairly there but not so much on streaming. So let's say something that happened at the beginning and so I mean for for you know it's like it's crazy because you know. The streamers use music twenty four seven. Let's go let's go back for a second. I I have a multiple brick and mortar businesses. And by the way sometime if you're in Tulsa Oklahoma I'd love to give you a tour but one of them's called elephant in the room Josh Sponsors Living Water You have you been an elephant. The room before Josh. Yes Sir Josh beat Desmond by the way Desmond Me Josh. Hey doesn't Nice to meet you. Sir. Hey Man but in our stores elephant in the room you go into the stores. It's like a country club for men's hair you know it's kind of high fashion hike. I called him interests. And you go in there and we use a service called custom channels dot net. I pay right now desmond about a thousand dollars a month to licence the right to play songs in their entirety. You know for our customers. I realized that said from custom channels dot net and then. I 'cause I'm a business. I have to do that. You know so. I pay for the rights to do that. How does that mean do you if I stream song on spotify? Do you get like a one one hundredth of a penny as something. I mean last year Living on a prayer got five hundred million streams five hundred million streams last year. Yeah so my take home pay on. That was six grand last year. Living on a prayer got a five hundred million streams five hundred million streams last year. So my take home pay on. That was six grand her and for five hundred million streams that right right third. My third percent was was six grand. Five hundred million streams equals that. See Josh. You're just old enough to be schooled in fundamental math here. So five hundred million streams equals a total of six thousand dollars. Come out two per stream that is point. Zero zero zero zero one two once courage like one. Ten thousand of a penny that's encouraged so so anyway. Last your entire industry finally got together publishers. The writers Everybody agreed to pass a law called the music modernization. Act Roscoe and and it was and you know it was one of the you know with how crazy and and partisan politics has become. It was one of the few legislations that went sailed through unopposed. In both houses of Congress president trump signed the music music modernization act and over the course of the next seven years according to this our rates are going to start to slowly drift up words but look at how much it has the drift upward for to put my kids through school. Wow now are you familiar with Ross. Golan one of the instrumental figures behind that absolutely I mean he Interviewed me couple of years ago and and the writer uses and it became a popular Podcast of his and I recently saw him in New York City. Where he has a Broadway show. But it was off Broadway actually but headed towards Broadway called the wrong man and The Music Director the Deranged is Alex Lacquer Moore who did Hamilton and it's all like urban music and it's so it was masterpiece so I saw him there and I I like slipped in at the last minute. On one of the very last night's 'cause it was running there for a few months. Now it's GonNa be Broadway bound but I love Roscoe and we interviewed Ross goal and I listen to his podcast quite a bit and he is just a a sharp dude. So if I'm in the studio with you and assuming that I have a talent we're going to sit down with an overnight a title earlier and they're going to figure out the mood. Is IT FAST? It's slow and then there's a as you know there's a lot of components we have cut each song on pop. Radio needs to be what about three minutes or less three and a half minutes or less desmond. Is that correct something? Funny we are being asked By Japanese radio. Descend One Minute. Edits really radio. 'cause you know it's like nobody wants to sit through a three minutes on any more Geez. What minutes enough you know. So boom. They're more like one minute. Free commercials I guess and then if you like this on menu go and download the whole song. I guess that is bizarre that now okay so you with the once you write a song though you have a verse and you have a course in another verse and a chorus walk us through the pattern of the song in your mind. What a well written pop song how it should be arranged. Walk us through kind of at that time. We've lost a lot of our listeners but a half billion listeners who love music and they they're not really you know they kind of know a little bit about what a choruses and verses but walk us through the timeline of a song just so the average person kind of understand. How a song should be organized. Okay let's look living on a prayer so it goes Tom Used to work on the Docks Union's been on strike. He's down on his luck. It's tough so tough. That's verse one then comes first to Gina. Works the Diner all day. Working for her man she brings summer pay for love. but She Brings Home Repair for love for Love Right. And that's the first one and for the B section. She says we gotta hold onto what we got. 'cause it doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. Are you gotTa Regard Each Other? And that's a lot for love we'll give it a shot and that was the original song and then I said you know what let's make that the beast section instead of course then we but in high gear and then we started. Go pick it up to We're halfway there. Oh I remember one ritchie thing that no going up well and then live in on a person and take my hand and we'll make it. I swear well living on a prayer Then it goes into the Interlude again that's sort of like the intro. Could remember those a long intro very dramatic with these chords and then it goes Tommy's got his six string in hock now. He's holding in what he used to make it. Talk so tough. It's tough gene dreams of running away when she cries in the night. Tommy whispers. It's okay Some day and so It's funny because Okay so then it goes into. We got hold the action again and then goes of course then. It goes into the into the Guitar Solo. And then there's a little bit of snippet we gotta hold on ready or not live for the fight. Because that's all that we got and then there's three because originally the big long digital drum drum riff and then and then I suggested Hey. Just go right into the course. And there's a bar three jumps the Chorus Ford. And that was an because it was very corny because we were doing a relation. They're kind of like Barry Manilow modulation you know and And that was usually in different. Sean Pop music would do modulations. And we kicked it up and it was like. That's what that's what made that song that jump. Because now he was singing like like three steps higher. How do our room when you're doing this so they're like ten of you? Three of you know just me rich? John Eurasia Johnny. Urine there. And do you do you used to say? I'm saying like when they did attempt of it and then we analyze the dental and in fact In those days you know we'd right fifty sixty seventy songs and then John would cut a whole bunch of high school kids and play all the songs and get feedback like you know test market. The songs John Jodi would test market the songs. Yeah well the. Yeah John and Richie. They test market the sun. They get all the kids from the local high school and play the songs just like the and the ones that got the best action. Those are the ones that went on the record. You used to sing you. Obviously you used to sing with your your group quite a bit and releasing more music. You still things I wanNA know could you? Could you built out the course living on a prayer for US could you do I? Just I mean the guy who wrote the song could do it. I couldn't do it with me. Do Right now. I mean I'm fired up. This is the highlight of my year. A Oh we're happy to take your hand we'll make it a little Oh Yes yes yes. Yes that blew my mind okay. So you then are working with Aerosmith's Steven Tyler. I have one sort of connection to Steven. Tyler. I once worked for a landscaper and MINNESOTA. Somehow the landscaper knows Johnny Lang and Steven Tyler and my boss says hey man you want to hang out tonight. Steven's coming over after the show and I'm eighteen and I there's a whole bunch of landscapers this isn't Minneapolis. Minnetonka MINNESOTA and I said to my boss whose name was rob. I said no I gotTA head back. You know I'll be back tomorrow at six to eight. He goes missing. Janis coming over Steven's coming over and I'm like who are these people long story short. I show back up to the job the next day. There's a lot of evidence that party has occurred that night. Apparently my boss somehow knew Steven Tyler and Steven. Tyler came over to his house after a concert and just had a blast blast. Can you explain what it was like to work with Steven Tyler in his early career and what? It's like to work with him now. I mean the Song Angel. You guys did together is amazing. Actually it was mid period when I was pushed on Aerosmith by their anr guide. John Kloden one of the greatest most brilliant musical minds of all time and They didn't they never had a co writer that came in from the outside. You know maybe they might have Caribbean something with like a musician or no but they were banned themselves. They didn't even correct with each other. Just you know mainly it was even a joe and so I was pushed onto band and I was flown to Boston. I walked into this big warehouse where they had the whole stage setup you mountains of Marshall AMPs on the floor on the concrete floor. There have been a hundred guitars on stance every kind of sparkle Leopard Tiger If Gibson's Les Pause Jesus you know fenders very kind and unique one of a kind handmade every single guitar. On the stage there was the microphone with the obligatory. You know like twenty scarves hanging off of it and And I walk in. There are some I hear some like north and lick thing of backwards loop you know I recognize it about Luke. Stephen just walked up to me and greeted me and he said hey come over here and listen to what we're doing over here and so they were playing. This Lupin went Nana Nana Nana Nana and then also Stephen Start singing crews and follow. The late is that crews and laid as and I said These are the first words that I might now. That's really bad. And Joe Cross his arms and looked at me sideways. You know with the most you know Sullivan of various face and I thought I was going to be dragged out of there by the roads and You Know Stephen. Who's more like a people pleaser? Who said well Kind of cheap. Actually he said Well originally I was thinking dude. Looks like a lady. And that's what that's smash title but we don't know what that means that said. I'm gay I know what that means you know and You know everybody in the world. It puts smile on their face when they when they heard it was still a little bit. You know I don't know. Felt funny about me. He didn't show up the next day. So Stephen and I sat at a little piano together on the road. He's weren't there. It was just him meeting me. Enormous warehouse little panel was on the floor in facing stage. He sat on my right and I said tell me about your life. He said well. You know I had a lot of problems with drugs and everything when we went to Rehab and You know I met this incredible woman Theresa and You know she's she's an angel and I right. When you said the word Angel. I looked at his blubber lips. Thing Angel Remember when Mick Jagger Sang A and like the video of that like those lips were like look like octopus or something yelling fish or something and so I thought those blubber lips and I said okay. Let's phone call angel because I wanted to see his lips. Do the same thing as Mick Jagger's on the word Angel and so the song was written in forty five minutes and You know for a long time. I think Stephen Thought that the song was to top. You know because you know they started having hits and of course their core fans were happy with that and also co writing with an outside writer but you know they just kept going and in fact they did an outside. Song for movie called. I don't WanNa Missing Solely written by Diane Warren. And all of a sudden it didn't matter who wrote the song because Smith may makes it their own and You know from the Beatles on with bands riding themselves before then the Everley brothers and all that a sang the songs written by booth and Fleece private you know and so then all of a sudden. The Band's rolling stones. They were all writing their own led Zeppelin on material. That made it such a high bar so Most bands couldn't succeed. They didn't have brilliant songwriters. So then th this. The critics would always be you know saying. Hey this is a pool because they wrote with outside Ryder but then after a while you know there were saying hey. Why don't they right with desma child? 'cause they're songs now? I gotta ask you this because you were in the studio with a Steven Tyler for awhile and obviously you got a chance to see him. Having a blast e blast really getting into the music. Do you have an impersonation? Do you impersonate Steven Tyler. Do you do you have an impersonation you do with them? Well the thing is that when the the fall back position on lyrics for him is thinking yeah but to do my nickname for him. Do you know what Fred Flintstone would always be yelling. You know. Yeah but that'd be do and so sometimes these and I in Tabah did you. Were you were in that once? I was in this huge crowd like at the backstage door and came out and he's finding autographs that I couldn't get him and he looked ready to designate desmond. We're like pulled me over the barricade. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about the Living Levin Loca did you. Did you write that song by yourself or do you team with Ricky? Read it with draco Rosa. Who is Ricky Martin's on while they were Bandmates in Menudo and DRACO. Was you know the the little kid in the front and then when I got a little bit older They brought in Ricky to take his place so draco then became one of the other guys right and draco the true artists. I mean He. He's he's not an entertainer. Like Ricky US right. So draco started co songs with Casey Porter and they had a hit called dusters Maria which was hit all over Europe in Spanish. And so some. Somebody sent me video footage of of helicopter view and there were a million people on the street. They tied up the whole street. For Ricky Martin outdoor like Impromptu Concert. It was like. I never saw anything like it. I said I have to work with that. So My manager's wife Carleen manager with Simone his life Carleen She had been seeing General Hospital and she said you know you need to work with this kid on gender hospitals name is Ricky Martin. There was like what now? That's another person the thing Ricky Martin and So they're ranch from him coming meet me and Rocco came with him and DRACO has this amazing. Look you guys have to follow Drago? Rosa de looks like sugar. Lara like you know like really cool hats and you know I mean. He's like lizard in a creative state. It's completely not like normal. People event is like a group music. And you know much younger than me and we you know. I think that you know the discipline that I brought to the songwriting process with his creative ideas and of course I was mainly Also reading lyrics as well You know but he brought that flavor you know me names like that whole draw on the back like like like like that you know. Kinda jazzy style He brought into that. And because I'm half Cuban. My mother would Cuban I grew up Latin music. So had it in me so one after the earthquake the moved from California Miami. Because there's been like freaked out by that. North Ridge Earthquake Ninety four and we started going to take fossil lessons and going to clubs and all this kind of stuff so I started getting in my head. You know how I am mixing genres to to do the Brady and stadium anthem Kind of On it's kind of like discipline to Latin music. And so there's a lot of you know. Kiss by Jovian aerosmith in Ricky Martin. You know here. We go The Cup of life or upside inside out. Look you know. It's you can have a hundred thousand million people seeing all together and everybody knows the words and like pumping fist into the air. That's the first time that ever happened in Latin music in fact next week on December tenth. I'm going to be speaking at the. Un with Erika Ender who co-wrote seat and we're GONNA be talking about the twenty year span of the Latin music explosion that was ignited by Ricky Martin With living La Vida loca all the way to d'esposito and It's a cultural Stalk about you know how Latin come into their own culturally you know. How can you have a song on the chart for thirty seven weeks at number one just parked there? That's you know a lot of it's in Spanish and you know I when I first Submitted Living La Vida Loca The head of the record company said Hey man. Can you write that song in English? They said it is an English said. Well what's that local stuff I said to you? Or your local. Everybody knows that right. 'cause I spent three days making but English. Words sound like Like Spanish words like the coloring book is not a Spanish word. So I I think it's derived from some Turkish something or other but You made it work but when I came out for it say lose love. You look at but then in bigger letters underneath it said living the crazy life. It's like so very but You know that's that that's how strange it was then. We actually had a Spanish version of the song that we did separately. But that's always an English. Now I have. I have a a rapid fire. I've got five minutes of fury here for five five minutes. I've got three questions. I want to know Josh and you have a question as well. So I'M GONNA GO WITH MY THREE HOT QUESTIONS. I Ryan Tetter Mike Posner These are great music artists. I love these two guys. I love studying the writing. I love studying Ross Golan. I study listening to the songs they've written looking for patterns in the songs how the songs are written. Who's your favorite songwriter out there today? Do you like Mike. Pose nerdy like Ryan Ted. Who's your favorite songwriter? Right now. That's hot well. I love her antenna republic. I mean it's just like you know I apologize. Yeah I mean that was kind of like change the direction of Pop Music. That one song you know It's just so fantastic And of course he halo But you know it's like he he just has got it. You know I just. I absolutely adore him and I mean I I love you. Know even You know urban artists you know like drake make my son's seventeen other twins and they're just playing a loop of all urban music it's gotten into my bones and recently. I recorded do with Alice. Cooper where the versus urban. I'm singing and then he comes in with the rock course we're really Yeah Song GonNa Start. I'm going to start dropping these duet singles you know just into the cyberspace you know and eventually like the old days. Maybe they'll add up to an album and You Know Hope Ryan comes and sings on one of 'em and Scott Stop said he'd do one or Yanti She wants to play and You know I'm getting my friends together. Little help for my friend Kristen Chenowitz. She's one of my best friends. I call her diva of all divas and I just the door and I co wrote a song with her and chain mcnally long ago called what would you do and is the first time I ever met chain. Actually very very shy red hair looked a little bit like Ed Sheeran kind of guy and They small quiet guy and he was playing guitar and I thought he was like hillbilly or something and You know we're riding Song Dolly to and I came up with this Line that I'm GonNa pull that WIG right off chef you know and head right out find somebody else and he said I love that. That's right around the campus on. You gotta hear it. What would we do with Chris Show with And also I work with Zac Malloy from the Nixon's and he's a proud Oklahoma and We were just there. You know I'd just I think I'm falling in love with him. You gotta come to tell you gotta come visit. We'll give you two of our survey he I got invited to this song. Writing Fest that they have there. Do you know about that. I do not know about that. We're in Tulsa Oklahoma which is the second largest city and we have about seventeen to twenty thousand square foot office. There's some upstairs space up there with a whole big thing. Oklahoma songwriters festival. Twenty twenty April seventeenth and eighteenth. And I'M GONNA be performing there and It's GONNA be fantastic. It's GONNA be I don't I don't know exactly where it takes place but Look out for Oklahoma songwriters festival. Twenty Twenty Dr Z. You're a huge music guy and DR Z. Is next to me. Here and Desmond Child. Meet Dr Zellner Doctors Enemy Desmond Child. Hey Desmond how're you doing buddy? I'm doing good doctor. We'll give you fifty fifty doctors this guy. Of course you're going to until you die. You live until die. That's that's pretty much live there. You go listen to this for a second. This guy has written living on a prayer for Bon Jovi. He's he's I was made for Lovin. You Kiss we were talking about dude. Looks like a lady Aerosmith. Living La Vida Loca Ricky Martin Angel Aerosmith I mean. Are you kidding Tama? I got his picture pulled up here. He looks like he's how can you the the handsome man he's Gone Desmond histogram six did you. I just turned fifty six. Wow he's he he's going to be here in. Tulsa for a festival for music festival trying to get him over so you can hang out. Yeah I think we got him if we we wrote them in passively aggressively enough question hit songwriter here. This is a really a treat to have you on the show here and I appreciate you ship them around your schedule to make Dr Z. What question do you have four? Hit SONGWRITER DESMOND. Child and this is probably asked earlier but You got something to can right now. That's hot sauce that you're that you're working on right now and you got a little hot. My single that's GONNA come out without scooper. Ooh could it be fantastic? And I can't say the title. Yes because then somebody will write. You know they'll be like fifty songs with the same title but we did a duet and Then then I'm just GonNa keep going with that music down. Eight local data Broadway show liberty. It's the true story in my family before. And after the Cuban Revolution well and my my mother had two very beautiful younger sisters and one became the mistress of the dictator Batista and the other one became Castro's lover after the Revolution Way. I'll repeat this. Your has two sisters. What it girls with Havana gorgeous movie stars was the mistress for. Who and who? Now he's the and then while the dictator the one that caused the Cuban Revolution Full hints your by Teesta. I he was a married man. His second wife was Marta Batista and so he started an affair with much younger. Beautiful Girl. My my aunt babe as Than the revolution got in the way that she was going to be. Mrs Cuba number three And then The the younger one Younger than her became the miss. The lover of Castro is it that way as well formula two sisters good dictatorships Wine Island. You do the math. Wow your life doesn't make sense. It is Weill. That's Josh right there. You are show sponsor living water. Irrigation is the name of your game. What question do you have rain down? A question for our incredible guests to everybody can learn more about right now at at Desmond Child on instagram. That's at Desmond Dot Child on Instagram. Josh what question do you have their? Sir? Hey doesn't thank you so much for taking our questions it's been fascinating listening to you. So two questions one not so serious than one really serious so if you hear living on a prayer on the radio driving down the street do you turn it up as loud as you can sing as long as you can. I just need to Yeah I mean. I'm usually walking into like a restaurant or an elevator or something and it'll be playing there and that's my song. So that's why I'm guaranteed. You know money till the end of time till the end of time one tenth of a penny six thousand dollars per five hundred million to Knicks Diet. Business come on now other real question I would have. So I'd I'd love the start of your story so Grew up at how departments food stamps as well. My Momma did a great job to get us out of there and I made the same decision that I would never be broke I love what you started. And what you said there and running into Paul Stanley and and you know him like in your stuff. So one of my favorite quotes is luck is where opportunity meets preparation. So obviously it's an entrepreneurial show so what would you say to business owners out there guys wanting to be in a business guys? That are striving for success. What would you give them as a piece of advice to kind of push them over the Hump? Well you know. It's like this is like if you want something it's going to happen. And so that means that you move where you have to move and you make friends with people you have to make friends with. And you have to do like a zillion favors to cash in on one and you you know. Have you ever read Gene Simmons Spokes Motivational Books? Like really agree with everything he says. I mean he's a tough guy. He's both billionaires right and He says vacation but weekends off. What nights off relaxation? You'RE NOT GONNA make it. You know you have to make your first million bucks first and then maybe you can take a weekend off and that's how it was for me and that's why I stayed studio rap for as long as I did after my group broke up because it was like one job after the other and I wanted to make sure I could take care of my mom and as soon as I had money. I moved her to a beautiful apartment in Miami beach. She wasn't allowed to take anything. No furniture. No clothes dishes all brand new brand new car. Shed her own little garage downstairs and you know she lived like the Queen till the day. She died that's awesome. That's I tell you what you have been an absolute treat to have on the show and again thank you for moving your schedule around in accommodating us and I just I appreciate it and I'll give you the floor yet. We have time for one more question with the with the hit the prolific hitmaker here. I mean this guy has had epic career. I mean we've we've we've caught the UNICORNS e take us down the end of the rainbow. I'm still trying to. I'd so what age were you when you got out of Cuba were you. Were you born in Cuba? I was born in Gainesville Florida. Okay so you got my mom left Cuba you know. She married an American geologist and then later had an affair with Gary and immigrant in the jungles of Venezuela And that's how I was conceived and then I was born in Gainesville. My Real father was till I was eighteen when when her husband laughter. Then you know we hit this kid's wow what what a story and I can hardly wins your your musical. Come out about the two aunts stories. Would you with my collaborator Gavitt? Cigarettes for fourteen years It's the slowest art form ever or even in the Sistine chapel thirteen years. Yeah how many. How many songs are the average mean? What does that does eight song? Twenty eight wow and many of them rewritten two or three times. Sure you know it it. It's very difficult bark art form but we're almost there and we are hoping that we can develop it down in Miami At this big You know Sir Entertainment Center Because there's so many resources the musicians and singers and actors in Miami. That are Cuban because we wanted to feel really authentic. I'm also producing a movie. Oh Yeah it's yes. It's called Trans con the making of Lou Pearlman and the boy band revolution. And it's a story of O town wind. How loop Roman built this whole machine for boy bands like backstreet boys instinct bankroll at all in a five hundred million dollars. Ponzi scheme and You know eventually he you know the feds caught up with him and he went to jail and supposedly died there. But you you can. You don't really know with somebody like him. He so clever. You know he's probably living the life on some tropical island somewhere exactly and so Working with pressman film who did American Psycho and And Anton Partners Branding Company in New York and we were pulling money together Where you know happening my collaborator on that interest. Carlson who co wrote big hits like bye bye and I want it that way. Wow Oh Z. This this show. I can't handle it so what I got on the table. This is what I got on the table every year. We got my own album. Live GonNa be dropping singles. I learned without Cooper in the first quarter. I my autobiography living on a prayer big songs. Big Life that will be out in the fall cool. I've got my musical That it's going to be out sometime. Hopefully in the next two or three years it'll be hitting Broadway and I've got my movie trance con the making of loop Roman the boy band revolution. And I've got Desmond Child and rouge releasing our original records so and I'm also trying to be a good dad and be home for dinner every night. Going on the long gay hustling and I still do my day job. Oh this is what's happening. Oh I'M GONNA be on real housewives of New York 'cause I met Countess Luanne and I co wrote a song with Canterbury Sagar and Jay Landers And it's going to be she's GonNa to sing it and debuting it on the show so I'm going to be on the show producing her. So that's GONNA be in. The next laser show can be watched right now by going to at Desmond Dot Child on Instagram. That's at Desmond Dot Child on Instagram Desmond. Child thank you so much for your time. I hope you have a great rest of your day. 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59 | Sci-Fi | A Song For a New Day by Sarah Pinsker with Interview!

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59 | Sci-Fi | A Song For a New Day by Sarah Pinsker with Interview!

"Weirdo bookworm unite we want to share our love of genre fiction with you. Some readers leaders out there may look down on you for your love of horror sci fi and fantasy but not us so stop by as we discuss what we've been reading John Junkies. This is Sandra. This is Scott and here we are with a science fiction speculative fiction. Whatever whatever you WANNA call it episode for you? Today we probably read science fiction the least often of the three genres that we really focus on and and we really get some really good ones when we do yes so let's see if this one a song for a new day stands stands up so yes Scott mentioned reading this book a song for a New Day by Sarah pinsker and more than that we have a little treat. We have an interview with the author Sarah was kind enough to take some time out of her really busy schedule of promoting and into arranging and wanted to talk to us Jonky so that's pretty cool so look forward to that in between our first segment the spoiler free segment and the second segment the spoiler full segment so Scott. I would ask you what genre things you've been enjoying but I think we all now your main focus right. Now is football it is it's the start of the season. The raiders have had an interesting week but I'm excited headed. It's been really great. It's nice to have it back. Scott loves football. He lows all the football I myself am a saints and a Raiders Fan. Scott got is a raiders and Saints Fan so then those orders yes. It was going to be a really good Monday because they're both playing on a Monday yeah so anyway so that's what Scott's couldn't be doing. You haven't had any other genre stuff you've been I really haven't I mean it's been a week between episodes at this point. We're coming out with this one early because we really wanted to read this book this is this book has has really taken the lot of my time so I feel like I do have some John Stuff to share do you I I do I do indeed we have guests spotted on the colts show before which is a youtube show as well as a you could listen talk podcast at base right here where we live in northern California and it's kind of a fun little show can watch people talk about Colt movies within a special interest in horror and we didn't episode Awhile back and I've filled in on a couple of episodes and now I am kind of officially part of the culture show team. It's so excited and you're really good on the show. It's a a lot of fun. I I liked the show before you were on it. As we love everybody who's involved our friends Kelly Neo Caleb. They're all mazing people but I love you on on this show biased but you're you and neil have a really good chemistry and we've got some experience interviewing people which is really the which is really translated really well into the show yeah and yeah we've got a couple episodes coming up with the cult show will leave links in the show notes where to find the Colt show absolutely we've got some interviews coming up some really cool stuff and you can actually see me like in person not just a stagnant picture but like see me talking about horror and getting really excited and fired up because such passion for me and there's a couple of really exciting interviews coming up too so so check it out yeah. I don't want to say too much but I also have another project in the works. Yes you do I. I was sitting here going wait. Wait wait you do of course I know you do I just an ideal and that's all going to be revealed and talked about got a little bit later this month but yes I've got my. I've got my creepy salad fingers a few tasty spooky pie US see look at you very busy content creator. I am which is what I love to do. Especially anything horror adjacent speaking of which next month is all whore all the time the most wonderful time of eater October so get ready for that if if I can get myself together and released tr that will be forthcoming the books might not be in the exact order. There's a little stuff in the air. We plan out our episodes in advance but sometimes scheduling conflicts changed order a little bit but we'll try to keep it up to date. Well also put it on twitter last last two octobers. We've always ended up with kind of a surprise book that we hadn't planned on to so and that's happened this year again yeah so so we'll see how that all fits. It's just a fun celebration yeah all right but tonight we are squarely in the world of science fiction. Let me give you a synopsis of Our Book for Tonight. which is a song for a new day by Nebula award winning author as we mentioned Sarah Pinsker here we go in the before when when the government didn't prohibit large public gatherings loose cannon was on top of the world one of her songs had just taken off and she was on her way to becoming a star now in the after terror attacks deadly viruses have led the government to band concerts and loses connection to the world her music? Her purpose is closed off forever so she he performs an illegal concerts to a small passionate community always evading the law rosemary laws barely remembers before times she spends her days in space helping customers order all their good so mine for Joan delivery. No physical contact with humans needed then she finds a new job and a new calling discovering amazing musicians nations and bringing their concerts to everyone via virtual reality the only catch is that she'll have to do something she's never done before go out in public by merely concerts and bring musicians positions into the limelight they deserve but when she sees how the world can actually be that won't be enough. This is one of the few books that I did read the Synopsis Beforehand before for reading it. and I think this is one of those rare books that for me. I was excited from the very get go because I had read it. I think that this this book really hooked me with that synopsis. It's a really great exciting primus and in this world that we live in you know people will people killing one another especially in mass quantities in public places is a disgusting epidemic particularly in our country tree which is the United States and you can see how that fear and that inside Ity of large people congregating could lead to banning things limiting things and we already have a lot of closed off sort of communication between each other and how if that was really leaned into we could really do without a lot of communication and a lot of interaction in general so there's you know there's kind of like your your branch where you're like okay. I can see where this is going in and I can see where she got this concept in this story so how's this this gonNA play out. And what do you give up if you if you give up social interaction for safety. What are you giving up the S. so you we know kind of surface level note? This book is amazingly design. Don't offer fine and the back this is a super protractive book. It is super rocky and I'm like exactly now. Rocky Balboa Rocky like punk rock yeah EXAC- it's like in cool shades of yellow and acid green and a little bit of baby blue and it kind of looks just the whole vibe the font the way the Texas wrapped around the back. It looks like a concert flyer. There's kind of ripped up picture of this really bad ass looking individual playing guitar at just everything about it is super cool licking. It really sucked me in from the beginning. I was like this looks awesome like this looks awesome. Yeah this this you know we were approached about this book and it was a book that we chose chose to go ahead and review. I probably would have ended up picking it up off the shelves anyway. Yeah just just just based on the cover by anyway because it's just such Chicago looking at a concert vibe underground killer killer cover yeah so aside from that. There's actually a good stuff inside too. I felt felt I love this book. So what was your experience with the book my experiences I would say this was a pretty solid page Turner for me I. I don't know that it would qualify as obsession for me because there's been a few books this year that I've been really obsessed with and so you know it's just a little bit a few degrees cooler than that but there's nothing wrong with being a page Turner as a wonderful thing to be a page Turner. I absolutely love Sarah's writing. We're going to get more in depth about that in a little bit but page Turner for Sandra. I see what you're saying about page Turner and I respect that was your experience with the book for me. This book is an obsession. I'm not surprised it is it is outstanding. If you have any interest in music either creating creating it listening to it. This thing is going to be right up your alley yeah. She has a way of writing the experience gets going to a concert or performing live she has a way of describing that that just gives you that same experience in words. I can't think of a book that has really created that feeling yes ever she knows exactly when to give you description and went to hold back and and somehow it's very emotionally charged and I think like you said if you love music if you love making music or you love seeing music you like you know with that feeling. It's almost like a it's like a sensory memory of seeing music that you really connect with live or creating it but like for me like I don't Create Music Nick Sing but I you know I've never been like performer anything so it's like but I love seeing concerts. I love seeing live music especially rock punk metal those alternatives my John Ras so it's like her describing this concert especially through the eyes of Rosemary and you know the the the act of seeing live music is so emotional and it feels like you were there. Yes I mean it really does feel like hey. I'm at this concert and then hey I was at this awesome concert has that same feeling which is astounding to me that she was able to bottle all that and put that onto the page and make me feel that way and you can tell did not only is she really killer writer but she is a performer. She's a musician -sition no and performer and that's a big part of who she is what she does in her life and you can just absolutely tell them tell. She's a music lover too. It's really kind kind of a love letter to the live music experience and there's you know the kind of the speculative fiction stuff that it gives you this premise of what would you be willing to do to experience that 'cause you could like never experience it again. Once it's taken away yeah and it's it's a really really great premise to show the importance of music and community when even in times when it doesn't seem like it's important there is a really we beautiful through line in this book which is the idea of community and I think a lot of especially book rooms we like to be like Lamey alone or BMI hall well and I want to read but I mean at the same time. No human really fully means that because you do need tribe and you do need community and you do need the people you connect act with and maybe that is like online or maybe it's your biological family or maybe it's your friends or maybe it's people found in the book community or the accordion community immunity or the polk Amman community or whatever your thing is but we all like intrinsically seek like I want to talk about my passion with others yeah and whether you're whether you're a reader all on your own or you're in a book club or you go onto good res and you leave reviews and you discuss books or maybe you're a performer or maybe maybe it's just the people at work. Everyone is reaching out for some sort of tribe yeah in some sort of connection so she does this really beautiful thing too when she writes where she gives you just enough. She gives you just enough information information just enough description that your mind kind of fires off and like so does the rest of it together in the narrative and I think that but that's something that I haven't experienced a lot of authors being able to do and that's very seamless how she how she knits a story. I guess it's really interesting for me to hear that from you as well because this book it does have very good descriptions but it pulls back in a lot of places awesome leaves a lot to the reader to create which is usually my wheelhouse and not yours right but it's the way she does it where she gives you a nuff juicy see little morsels to keep you like feeling okay. I mean your world. I'm feeling this but then also you can fill it in with not only your own imagination nation but maybe your own experiences like she'll kind of describe this sound that a musician makes and it's like Oh that reminds me of Blah Blah Blah who I love and so that kind of paints it for you like ways like that it's so smart and I don't know how she does it so perfectly but I think it makes her writing super unique and she does go into some specific musical terms at points in this book yeah and she does it in a way. Where are you understand what she's saying? Even if you don't know the terms that she's referring to now I did know ninety percent of them if you all remember Scott is as a performer and he is a musician as well he's very talented musician and he he gets bashful about this stuff because I'm not saying he's a prodigy he must saying he's Mozart but he can pretty much pick up any instrument and plunk his way through it and he's very good and for those of of South View for those of you who are wondering he completed the guitar electric or acoustic he can play the Mandolin he can play the chanter and he can navigate advocate his way decently around a keyboard and you say charter and expect pipe and drums. I'm sorry he's also really brilliant. percussionist see he's trying to step on me. He's trying to be shy. No no you're talented. That's very sweet. I know a fair amount about music because I respect music very very much and so it's kind of a little passion as far as knowledge wise. I I appreciate I dabble when it comes to actually playing in crowding music. We'll shane can thank you you anything not as good as me but he sings well but so I know you know a fair amount of about music as well. I did get a varsity letter in inquire and just give those away. How did you feel about her how to be a real geek to get that one? I'm thank you were inquirer. You're in band absolutely not when I played in band. I don't play anything that never touched a clarinet. I could see you playing clarinet. I could see myself throwing a cleared actually so yeah. How did you feel about the musical terminology that she used in the Book Doc? Oh I think it's very layman acceptable because I I mean like it's use the word lame. Lehman Lehman got it. Yeah I feel like it's very layman Eamon assessable like because you can pick up what she's talking about 'cause she paints such a beautiful picture for you and if you're into music and you're kind of like thank you know feel like Super Geeky about it. I think it'll feel like real real nice fields confer real smooth. Go down really really briefly before we get into the interview on the spoiler section. I do want to tell you guys a little bit about the characters in this book because I think that's an important part of the package here. ooh characters drive this story. Yes the the question is posed you know this world kind of without public gatherings and so then Aka without live live music but it's the characters that make it alive right because we have rosemary who is us right in a lot of ways like we know about live music and public gatherings but she's never experienced that life so when she has questions about things things that we as the reader might have questions about like hey how does this work and she's connected into as they call it hood space which is kind of really adept virtual reality online thing that everybody interacts through it actually reminds me a lot of the the idea of war cross where it's kind of a across alternative reality where it's overlays on real real reality as well as a way to drop into virtual reality some work cross some ready player one and other similar media vibes all kind of know where where that world is because we're not super far from it and a lot of ways but anyway so like when Rosemary Rosemary has questions we have questions to and so she grew up with like a fairly good connection space but her parents aren't dialed into that world. They're still trying to really do analog stuff so she's she's worked in this corporate virtual world for like six years so well she's really good is to experience this through. She's also a very unique character to me anyway because a lot of her hurt hurt traits and her fears and her hopes are still while they are shaped by an alien up by an alien situation and I say I say alien is different and not in aliens from space. They're very relatable. She's a character who has his issues with being touched and with personal interaction in cases hasn't a lot of experience and her reasons are different than what yours may be but how it how it comes out is a very natural human thing that there are many people who feel that way and and I really I really appreciate that in her. I agree and as far as I can send. I challenge you to not love her like you. You reader at home. I challenge you to not love loose because she's amazing. Loose is a perfect amazing bass rockstar women She's absolutely incredible her journey you'd just connect with her and you feel for her and sometimes she makes you really frustrated like I wanted to I wanted to shake are a couple of times but she's smart and she's adaptable and she's a survivor and she's headstrong young and my new favorite rockstar and my new favorite excerpt has she is she's real. I'm sorry she's real. I don't believe anything Sarah tells us in this interview she's she's real person and I want to go see her. Play Nashville or something also something that we feel like we should mention because it's a wonderful service. This book is fantastically. I there is a different you know. Ethnicities gender identities the two main characters are wonderfully refreshingly clear women amen and it is so so great. This book is an inclusive masterpiece because that's what your tribe sometimes this is is a diverse reflection and it's like it wouldn't be true if everybody was you know just the standard run-of-the-mill Blah Blah Blah like like no it's it feels so real and genuine and you know I have learned a lot over the past year year and a half with our community on twitter when it's come to the experience of others and I'm always learning every single day we all are and I I have to say this encapsulates all of certain things and the complaints and the constructive criticisms and the encouragement that I have read from that community in this book it is it's so amazingly inclusive and so well done when it comes to to avoiding a lot of the pitfalls that books like this seem to fall into for other people includes every race it includes multiple includes includes an embraces races multiple gender and sexual and romantic orientations yeah it it is descriptive of people while not singling in on an individual type of race or or anything it's just so open and free at refreshing shing to see this huge diverse cast of rich human beings cassettes our world and that's our country and that's our cities and that's our friends in our families in our communities and you know all books should be so lucky to have such beautiful reflection like that so I guess that Kinda China leads me into my appeal score which would be mass. Okay I you know everyone while you might meet people who quote unquote art into to music. It's not really their thing and I have someone who's Razi into music have a hard time relating to those individuals but maybe they could see themselves in Rosemary and become music fans because my God no this is definitely a mass appeal book. Her writing writing is so beautiful and lyrical and has this wonderful blend of contemporary and also the science fiction vibes that I feel feel like it's a it's a good net. That's cast that can catch a whole bunch of readers. I really want to put this into the mass category but I think it's in the broad category and maybe not for the reasons you would think I do think that you have to be interested in live music nick of some sort whether that be performing and not even necessarily music but either into performance or into going to concerts if if you don't appreciate that experience either of those experiences at all which I can think of a few people off the top of my head that really don't I don't. I know if this will resonate as much. That's my feeling on the subject so I'm going to put it in the broad for that reason but I think I think that that's still fantastic fantastic and then after discreet about that one I might not be giving enough credit to the masses I might you know there may be less people who who are that not into live music or performing than there really are. That's just my gut feeling on it. I would be willing to say this is one of those things that someday you can look back and be like I should have said. What the heck was? I thinking you might be right. We both have those everybody who reviews things. I think I have to say I have. I have the only once ever lower score in my head after time has passed usually usually rix. There's nothing wrong with being broad. There's nothing wrong with UPI niche. There's nothing wrong with being any of that because you know a big goal of our shows to get the right books into the right readers hands but yeah I would say perhaps perhaps you're selling the masses a little short I might be you might be right all right so let's go ahead and get you all psyched up for this interview so this is Sarah coming up in just a moment Sara's an amazing lady we're super super lucky to have gotten this time to sit and chat with her. She's these are very assessable on lying on her website what she mentioned at the end and you should really take some time to do some research into Sarah. Listen to her music read some of her other works because I think you guys are GonNa really like her. Super Enjoy this novel. She is a really fun person. Persson and this book is so good guys. Just go get it south right really and it's already out. It'll be out the day this comes out yeah so you you're listening. It's out you auto Kansas and the interview is spoiler free. Yes it is so you really have no excuse it's alright without further ado we have the author Sarah Pinsker with us on the show. Welcome Sarah. Thank you so much for having me. Hey Hey Sarah. We really appreciate you taking the time I know you're busy but but we were super humbled and honored to have you chat with us for a little bit today. Oh my pleasure so actually on that note. This has been quite the year for you yeah. You've got a short story collection your first published novel. How crazy has this been? It's been a year and then you can add onto that that you know there's another novel do also getting ready for for for I had to you know promote both books in edited one in enright another yeah so so it's been a year. It's been a lot but but it's all it's all the good kind of busy so so no complaints here seriously while that's really really exciting. sounds like you you might be for vacation one of these one of these days. I'm sure that's the the thing that that exists. I don't know what it is personally. If you tell me about it I'm sure I could I've. I've heard of this vacation. Yes let me think of which you speak. So what is it about science fiction and specifically speculative fiction that attracts you. I've always I loved the the broader Palette I love literary fiction as as a John Rav its own in love stories about people so this is a chance to tell L. stories about people but with a few extra hughes you know they'd like you get to place things at a little bit of a distance. you know five minutes in the future means you can put a little bit of a distance on things but still talk about now just just exaggerate in and there's a lot of fun things you can play with when you get rid of immediate realism. I like that yeah yeah that makes a lot of sense in regards to the Hoodie. There's some positives as well as some negatives I in my opinion. Can can you talk about what you think the positives of that technology he is sure yeah. I'm glad to see that because because I didn't want it to be a black and white thing there's there's definitely things that are bad official about it. If you think about schools and the fact that right now someone can you know have the misfortune of living in a district that has you know the impoverished in can't put money into the schools and there might be someone ten blocks away who gets the benefit of a great public school just because they're you know over some invisible line and so so kids are going to school in hoodies in the book and and maybe those lines have been erased so so there's a little more equity in schooling maybe you WanNa go to a show and the band that you love always plays in basements. You know you're you can't get your wheelchair in there so so like looking at ways that it's accessible. This makes a economically you can't make it to the next town over to see the band on a display out to sea so I think there's a lot to be said for that immediacy and that that ability to bring things to you but having said all that if it's the only way than than it's not it can be looked at as a good thing especially when it's all controlled by one Mega Corporation right right who probably doesn't have your best interests at heart yeah I know I like I like all those things that you said about the hood because there's certainly an appeal to it. I also appreciate you mentioned a here and in the book about a wheelchair ability because both of my parents are actually have mobility challenges so I always like to tell them the revolution will be wheelchair assessable so yeah yeah yeah song as we as long as we think about it yeah. I mean you want it to be something that's that's deliberate and not not just an accidental effect yeah I like that I like and that's what we find in the Internet today. There's some wonderful pockets doc it's of community and inclusion but you gotta you gotTa have a Balance Okay so do you base your characters on people you know when life because they feel so real loose in particular. I'm having a hard time believing that loose is not a real person that I could contact right right now. If I wanted to. Well I will take that as a great compliment and there are elements of people that I know end or read about in her but but she is not one particular person who I who I know in any way now I don't believe you. I I mean that is a I consider that a super big compliment like the the Elizabeth Hands Book Wilding Hall which is a an like right on the cusp of novel novel. It's like forty thousand words but it's a it's a sort sort of an oral history of a band and there. There's like websites given and all kinds of stuff and I kept looking like I was so sure that band existed that I kept looking working in kept looking for them. Even even though I knew it was fiction so so I I consider that to be a a a great compliment but you won't find her so if base them on real people. How do you go about developing your characters? I guess part of the answer to that is looking at the question you I need the questions you've posed so here we we have some questions posed about what people would give up in the name of safety. you know what freedom's people give up and then we have questions about what would it be like to be someone who knew both before and after versus versus what would it be like to be someone who grew up with this being the only thing they knew. Is it a bad thing. Thank you would probably be okay with it because it's kind of a cool space all of that so you take all of those things and then you say who is the person who I need to tell that aspect if you if you want someone who's got the before and after in you're telling music story than than the logical seemed to be a tele from the perspective of someone who had been there and had and then I liked the idea of someone who is right right on the cusp like she was about to make it people recognizing her song in and then her song you know it did go onto big and she wasn't able to be out there and to enjoy it so I wanted that to be the one person and then on the other side you had rosemary I wanted someone who could kind of look at everything through through new eyes and was a lot of fun going through the world with her and seeing things for the first time in seeing her mess things up and that was that was a Lotta Fun also so what you've been writing for a long time. It sounds like what's your favorite step of the writing process. Also how do you how do you go about approaching story. That's a fun question oh. I don't know I I mean drafting is kind of wonderful when it's going well and painful when it's going poorly so maybe the answer to that is is like the second draft when when everything is there and you get to start adding like that's when like I'll be walking my dog and and look like deliberately like going extra miles in order to have these conversations nations with myself where all the little things pop in like oh you should have this person do this and then knew this person do this and write notes to myself on my phone and send them back so but then I get home and I start adding all those little things in and then you can start playing with things and say what if I moved this part over here. What if I play with time a little bit on what if I they'd make all the yeah just all the little games you get to play them? Once you have the building blocks 'cause 'cause me making your own blocks from scratch is kind of a pain what are some of your biggest influences as a writer and as a musician her uh-huh so as a yeah. There's a lot of stuff in there to question all right so so as a writer Amex huge fan of Gwynn a huge fan of a AH Karen Joy Fowler. There's a lot of people who are on that Cusp Andy Duncan in MK Jemison. They're all these people who are who I I think right beautiful beautiful prose and also sort of dabble on speculative side of things Jennifer Egan's really good Michael. Shea bonds really good Octavia Butler so if you're talking influences that's a good start rankled roster Mr Yeah Yeah and there's a million that I'm not like you know my head's now throwing out names at random the people who I love and I want to say their names because I like the tweet it to us later but the list will just get longer and it's unnecessary 'cause 'cause there's there's wonderful people working in their their amazing in and they write beautiful things and that's that's part and then in terms of music. I'm I'm a big fan of of folk in a big fan of punk and I think they're really kind of the same genre just told the different speeds yeah so so I love the anyone who's really good at at telling a story in Song Patty Griffin does that in and Events Gilbert and disappear fear and Bruce Springsteen and Brittany Howard and you you know there's there's just a this could also take an entire our way to spit out names of people that I love but but any yeah the people who are who are just like either either great storytellers or just have those hooks that dislike yeah yeah no I think we're picking up which really down and we totally agree SCON- life had conversations about the similarities between musical genres like that like punk and folk. That's we're in that wheelhouse tail. We like that crossroads yeah. There's a lot of music in this book. A lot of it seems like it may have analogues in the real world but it's all it's all unique. Do you have some of those songs written in your head Adair they do yeah. You're the first person to ask that but I would never WANNA put them down myself but I have on occasion thought I should unlike ask this band to play this one and that would be really cool but but the other thing about rating something that I've discovered by writing thing about music is that the less you lock in the sound of the more room you leave your audience to make the soundtrack themselves elves and and that is ultimately super beneficial because you want them to like the music so if you play something that they it just happened to not not like it's GonNa you know it's GonNa Lessen the experience a little bit. They're going to say how could that song have have moved those people in in that particular way but if you describe what the music did to those people in that moment or how it felt to the people playing it in that moment than their free to paint their own picture so so before this novel I had a story called Our Lady of the open road which also featured Richard Lewis in it and people wrote to me after reading that story and said and I know exactly what she sounds like you didn't describe what she sounds like but I know what that van sounds like the answers were amazing because some of them said Joan Jett and some of them said the distillers in some of them said the indigo girls and some of so so there was this huge range and they were all saying like abandoned that they loved so I wanted to be a band that you love that you're hearing and if like if it gets made into a movie or something you know then then it gets locked down but as long as it's on paper you know it's the same thing with with you know. Did the Harry Potter Movie Get Movies Cast Right you know people people can argue about what certain characters like up until that becomes the indelible indelible image of that character so so for now. I'll take it that no one knows like I know the songs but nobody else does that. Is that's really really cool. I I hope one day we get to hear your versions of the songs though yeah so you're a musician and performer for yourself. How do you deal with stage fright? Is that something you face no. That's really cool. No I don't i. I have a fear of something going wrong that has often been not unfounded but it doesn't have to do it stepping thing out there and it doesn't have to do with playing from those people It's if the audience is for you then you get energy. There's this feedback loop where it just comes back to you. and it's it's all good if you're if you're open to accepting it and that sounds kinda touchy feely but the like I've seen performers who are so closed off in terror like like early lives fair in power like their who made great eight music but I felt bad for them and there are sometimes performance There's almost discomfort and if you if you there's no reason to be doing it a few if you don't love it I don't know no that's really good. That's because everybody has that discomfort sometimes when someone's performing and you can tell the vibe is not there but that is really cool that is really cool. There's there's a inherent fear into a terror when it comes to putting your workout they're both on stage and in writing what are what are the similarities between performing on stage and in putting out a novel performing onstage a little more immediate so the music might have been locked in already like on on a CD or something but there's still these the very archaic sounding like recorded recorded but and it has a that's eight version and then you can go on to have a million versions but a novel is interesting because you work and work and work and work on it and then it has this form that is locked in and maybe you can change a couple of words here and there in a further edition or when you're reading an excerpt of it but it's kind of locked in I also need to change one thing about my previous answer 'cause 'cause I feel like there's one thing I was lying about. which is I okay? I love performing onstage in. I am terrified of Karaoke. Really I am terrified of Karaoke okay that feels like an entirely different thing to me and and so I said like this feeling of something going wrong so your guitar on a like if you're on a stage in your Atar like you break a string you deal with it but it's still like the band goes on around you or you stop and you tell a story Oy while you fix everything but I feel like like you get up to send Kariuki and it could change the Kea anew the machine could change the Kea new or or the machine can like the music is in loud enough for you to feel like you're in the music and suddenly you're like this weird exposed person in just standing there like like I do it every once in a while disapprove I can't but I but that does strike tearing me so so I felt like okay. I wasn't completely honest as I thought about that because because I do know what that Tara feels I can feels like me about to sing a karaoke song and not knowing what key it is until the I love a Karaoke nightmare. That's fair fair enough. I have to know what your to Karaoke Song right yeah well. I mean so that's that's the example there too. I can think of off the top of my head where things have gone horribly wrong like what was one is so it turns out that me and Captain Captain Marvel have the same the go-to Karaoke song which is kiss me deadly by Lita Ford except except if you if it comes into high look I actually prefer to be a half step lower. If they've got a machine that will let me lowered but if if if it's machine that's locked in in it's a step higher like they sometimes do then then I can't hit it and then the other one is I love there's been called K's choice which not everyone remembers but they had a song called not an addict in it's a great song but it starts out with what I didn't realize until I hit just never considered until they hit play was it starts off. Awfully these CAPPELLA lose and you don't know what key they're going to be like like the song within but again. You don't know whether it's GonNa in a play until like about bars and then suddenly like you find out that you're in the wrong key entirely so so like yeah. I don't know that is a fantastic. I feel like it Karaoke. People want you to fail. There's like a weird. There's a weird energy with Kerry and I mean there's there's a whole like other subculture involved with add like I have neighbors involved with the competitive Karaoke and the the I mean they have better moves than I would ever have on a stage. you know in that is some serious stuff and I apologize now. I feel like I've got an US off on a tangent and I don't even remember what the question was do feel the weight of of my life has unless I think Scott may have just found a new nation competitive karaoke furiously googling for competitive Karaoke air. There's there's an come to Baltimore and we'll show you're speaking of new communities. I'd love to take a moment to be touchy feely because it do you like some touchy feely stuff and there's a wonderful message in your novel in this novel us on Ferney Day about community and and I really like to hear what that means to you found family friends community and why that such a heartbeat in this book absolutely absolutely I feel really fortunate to have fallen into a whole bunch of small communities that that just you know a a good welcoming people in in like. I've always felt that local music if you've got a local scene that you know if you're playing an abandoned when you play with the same bands over and over again. There's this great thing they're found family. There's also layer of themis something slightly different for for Queer people like myself where I mean. I'm lucky to have a family that has always been there for me but not everyone does and there's this other layer where we're we're people often find each other and support each other through through everything through take your book or through your tough times or whatever it is through some people have kids you know. Sometimes you need that extra family that that isn't the family you're born into but you can find these support networks in science fiction has been a great community as far as I'm concerned to the the author community that found the distant met so many amazing people like they. You know you always hear that. It's hard to make friends as an adult I haven't I haven't found that to be the case even though the authors kind of notoriously loners and and but but it's sort of like you spend a lot of your time alone in drafting and then and then you get to be together intensely for a few days and then move apart again and but but yeah so I guess there's is all these sort of layers in concentric circles in Weird van diagrams of music community in Queer Community Unity in writing community and they sort of an arts community in general but but I I really do believe in those human support and some of them you can get some of that online as well. you know you can make great friends online but but I wanted I wanted to get kind of the flesh and blood in there in this book to full. It's really beautiful and it meant a lot. I think to both of us. I think we both really felt a connection to that makes takes me makes me want to cry when I cry. It's big fat sparkly black tears so for the for the picture well before we let you go. I wanted to ask you where our listeners can find you where you're going to be touring as well as online sit tomorrow Monae in Baltimore. I'm doing a book Release Party. I don't know what night you're airing this Pretend that was in Toronto. That was September tenth. I'm doing a book released and Dan Then Abi at New York Comic Con in October I'm going to be at blue stockings in New York for a panel on music and social justice which jammed totally stoked about I'll be in New York for September reading at the at KGB and then I'm doing. I've got like a reading in Philly. I'm doing a couple of festivals. I think Nashville the southern Southern Festival of the book yeah I'll be all over sooner or later like I I would love to get out to Seattle in Colorado probably in March but it's going to be a while so so a those are sort of in the work's not done deals and those are all related or performance related the book related. I'm kind of putting music on the back burner right now if someone invites me to play that I play and I'm not going out of my way to book any music right this moment not because they don't love love it just because I'm really lazy I just need. I need people to come to me. I don't I don't have time to book anything right right now and then online it's Sarah pinsker dot com is mostly up to date that's S. A. R. A. H. p. i. a an S. K. E. R. in twitter at serpents girl instagram at Serapis. Go all right. That's fantastic. Thank you thank you for coming here. The John Region keys are GonNa absolutely love here in this interview reading this book. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for for joining us. Thank you for writing a beautiful wonderful mouthfuls while my pleasure my pleasure thank you for telling me welcome back to the spoiler section. How about that interview? Oh so great we I love it. We love getting to sit down and chat with authors has just really cool. It's something really kind and a service that we are. Sometimes you know awarded to get to ask them questions about themselves and their work so always very exciting so Scott yes Sandra we loved this book. Oh we I more than loved this this in the running for one of your top books of the year this might might not be beat for top books of the year now Sandra and I as as as you all know we don't normally number our our best books of the year. It gets tricky. I mean things are different and sometimes you're comparing an apple to cucumber but right now this this book is real tough to be firmed for anything. This book was just just phenomenal. Yes already something that we super into and then an amazingly refreshing pleasant surprise to I would say yeah I was excited. I was genuinely excited for this book and and I knew that it was going to be I knew that it was going to be a fun book and that it was likely to get a very good score. There's you know there's some hype right behind it like that's always kind of good sign for me yeah and I from page three new. Oh this is going to be different. I I knew who I was going to really like it from definitely the very beginning and it did not take me long at all to get into her style and to get into her voice lease and it's exciting because she's a new author for us so you know you're kind of like learning her and getting to know her a little bit and I mean I don't want to sound like I was prepared to sell her short but words cannot express how thankful I was full upon my knees and thanked the divine the the two women did not end up in a romantic relationship with each other. I wasn't tension. There wasn't any they won't they like it wasn't like that. You can be to to queer women or you can be to queer men or you could be to you could be a straight man woman. You could be to people who are quote unquote sexually or Romantically compatible as far as what your interests are and not actually and and not have anything there. That's okay it's cold friendship skuld connection with another human yeah and you know. I think that that happens so often in books that are romance comes. That's like really necessary or it's four stories. You know a little too sudden. It's Cana- instant and stuff and it's like you know sometimes humans just connect which is a huge theme of this book and a gives me a lot of confidence in other things cerebral right to that she she thinks about her characters as real humans the other thing that I really appreciate Shea in this realm is how both of them are shown as being human being type of people. They're attracted to people they're attracting multiple. People throughout the books looks yeah and that's like kind of okay. People are attracted to people it's fine. You don't have to define the one it's okay. This is the person that I am now attracted to a story and it's all about this person no I'm a human being. It doesn't mean at the end of this book. There has to be some sort of grand romantic connection yeah very refreshing refreshing. I'd also like to say that they're very humid and that they both Cana- up and they make some mistakes pretty big Guan's. I guess you could say Rosemary. She's very naive to this world that she's been thrust upon she. I'm trying to think of how to put this in a great way. She's not stupid at all but she doesn't know the diabolical nece behind the company she works for but at the same time not everything about that company is actually bad because look at her for example she had never seen live music. She never seen a stage hollow and then she gets to experience. It and it's like you know what this is okay. It's okay to get your art people anyway. You have to sometimes and I found that really refreshing that rosemary still evolving and you know we don't know she's going to work for this company. How much as long as you're GONNA get fired or shoot him to start something else? She's in an awesome punk rock way up the system from the inside but at the same time it's like she sees a lot of the good points of this technology and as it's really cool this whole book is a triumph of the gray area. It's a middle path. Ah Yeah you know hood. Space is a really scary idea. The the you know when it comes to ready player one when it it comes to war crimes when it comes to the idea of okay now as a society we are retreating with in this virtual reality space and in many ways losing our humanity. That's a scary idea and this definitely goes down that path and discusses the the disadvantages to everything being run by what is effectively actively Walmart right but it also celebrates the the benefits of having that sort of technology at your fingertips tips for example one of the things that really stuck out to me. Is You know how Rosemary Talks about how much easier it is because people have flags apply for themselves as as you know this is my this is my orientation. This is my gender. These are my pronouns that makes things so much easier in so much safer safer and so much kinder in a way yes and of course it's like you know you don't have a lot of money. You're not going to be able to go see Spanish cathedrals drools or the coliseum or the empire state building and it's like right now our internet can help bring it to us and then with an even more advanced experience hence that's something everybody gets to be a part of and loose. Don't be a darn snob about it. Yeah I love how when she finally finally puts on the hood. She even says oh well. This is why people like it. This is amazing right and like the fact that resumes like I would never have discovered in music. I would never have discovered you know. One told me that that no one told me that people who used a hoodies had the experience of flying. Isn't that cool like don't you WANNA fly like there's there's such importance to having a middle path in a middle ground and it's it's a really refreshing part of this book that I think is also kind of a message of it. I don't know if that was totally. One of Sarah's goals also to convey that message but for me it was well received a yes speaking of loose still love loose I got you. It's nothing bad bad but I did. That was one of the Times I wanted to shake her. Throw a guitar pick out her head was when she was being so stubborn and Rosemary Coulter out on on it too. She's like stubborn and it's like yes exactly like chill and you know look at somebody else's perspective and think about what you you could do to contribute good and they're able to have a conversation over a long period of time but they're able to come together other and and find the positives of both because they're both coming from different directions loose sees no benefit in what has come in the after and Rosemary sees nothing positive from the before it was a scary time and now it's now it say a controlling time like they're coming from different directions and together. They they find the best in life yeah. It's very important because you know there is scary stuff going on in our world like we were talking about the the first part of this episode and you know they get into the pox and you know like that's really scary and a lot of people died from that and then it turns rosemary very into somebody who like you know has such phobia and such anxiety about things and you know same things with the bombings and the the the threats and the violence. It's like you know if if you want to just feed that anxiety then you will and you'll be you know Al Sadd you'll be a sad person there. There are things that are kind of like kind of like a utopia in some respects things that that so many people are fighting fighting for and trying to make people aware of now for for example Rosemary not wanting to be touched does not make her strange and none of them treat her like she strange for either and that's the same now when they asked her. Do you accept hugs that was so powerful four because that is something that's important no an NA agree at a little bit more in Rosemary's context is she's just not used to a person in real life asking asking her for her she she turns out she rather likes hugs but she's used only getting them from her parents. Hundred percent a lot of lot of Rosemary's aries character traits are shaped by when she grew up but none of them are unique to this story and unique to her wanting your own personal personal space is okay not being good with crowds as someone who had a panic legitimate panic attack Disneyland because I Tau is place on earth I have I have problems with crowds and not feeling like I can escape i. I felt her. I felt her so strong when she she couldn't handle the crowds of that concert I still have this that now and yes in her case it was because of the way she was raised. It was because of the world but she was living in but Sarah treats it like that doesn't matter why me back to that she has and everybody there is is is exactly what what everybody wants is like Oh. I'm sorry I didn't know that you didn't like crowds. Let's get you outside the fears and it's okay to have anxieties and it's okay to have have you know challenges with your health and your mental health and all of that but it's the part of it that makes it sad in the context froze. Mary is because she's never seen anything good. Come out of it and you are right in her case. She does like hugs she does it was like she does come to like crowds. She these are things that she learns that she does enjoy and is uncomfortable without without fear yet because she had no experience in them in know examples of why it's good but but the people of the twenty twenty give her the space ace and give her the support and and don't give her any pressure or timelines or expectations to change they allow her to discover what she wants and what she's comfortable with on her own. Let's 'cause they're community. Exact they're supportive. Healthy Happy Happy Community of of people and so as frightening as that future is and I will tell you that book was also terrifying to me yes there are there are moments in that book. There's a lot of things in that book. That's so much better than what it is today Yeah No. It's it sure makes you think that's that's for sure so I guess you could say we rather liked the book because you could say that you could you could say it was okay all right so I suppose we should put a little low final score on this thing all right. How many power chords I like it? How many para Kurds out of five live? I really liked that a lot of great book Wonderful Book strong book that elicits a lot of emotion and a lot of thought and and just really made me very interested in an author and in her voice and her words I really can't say enough good things about it and I know a lot of people that I want to recommend this book to on a personal level besides everybody losing at home and everybody who reads books in general but I'm I'm going to give it for power courts at five. There's little about this book that I can complain about. I wouldn't change anything when I think about how little there is is. There's nothing I can complain about the way that she writes about the music the way that she writes about performing the way that she creates her characters in her community and her tribes and makes so you terrified of this future and yet appreciative of the things that have come out of it is poignant and unique. This is five power cords five. This is standing ovation standing on core I I I'm not kidding. I'm going to be reading this book again next next. Yeah you WanNa read it like right now right now. No I've already started it. I already started doing well. We've been recording the whole time right no I. I'm not a big book reader. I never read a book twice in a row. I have already started this book again loud. That's a very very high endorsement. I think for anybody especially from our own Scott a timely playing it also funny book. It's funny. It's very funny. There's a lot of lulls. I don't laugh out loud very often with books. I you know I laugh. Internally just like Sandra doesn't cry but I cry internal. I go Fahd Multiple Times in this book he really did. I heard it and I left to you'll laugh as well obviously listening spoilers section. You did laugh all right everybody. I think it's time for us to say goodbye so Scott can get some reading in before football comes on. I'm Sandra. I'm I'm Scott stitches sleeping in the corner but you know she's a lazy producer. What can we do? Thank you everybody for joining us very excited. The next time we talk it it will be Halloween time. Almost one were booked before Halloween time but it's kind of like an appetizer going to give you a little Halloween appetizer. Title is it really is work. We're going into full swing yeah very soon

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ACS: Brittany Furlan and The News (Feb 13, Part Two)

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ACS: Brittany Furlan and The News (Feb 13, Part Two)

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I'm dead backstage and I just watched the dock American mean which is very interesting That sort of chronicle a few people bomb Brittany was was one of them. It was very insightful and interesting ninety four percent on rotten tomatoes by up on Netflix. If People WanNa take a glimpse in that world Spy Intervention is the name of the movie. And it's available on digital on-demand select theaters starting tomorrow. And the podcasts worse I with Brittany Furlan as one. We'll talk all that But let's first talk about you and how you got got into this world. I mean in the dock. They showed yet a tough childhood. Although I don't know how much of it was tough and how much of it is self imposed. I mean it sounded like a Douche but I mean your family was little fucked up but reasonably sort of something. I know your mom was bad. It's pretty fucked up like your dad's seemed Mike. God raised me so my mom. The my parents got divorced when I was really young and my mom just as kind of I mean a will have to be careful what I say because I don't WanNa sued by my mom but yeah I it's you know it was a complicated childhood. It was a lot of violence. A lot of fighting a lot of Just really ridiculous stuff. That shouldn't like a young child shouldn't have to go through and I think it Kinda just set me up for a lot of what I ended up dealing with later in my life a lot of anxiety and a lot of like depression and I mean it's just been like a crazy ride but I am so grateful that I was put into therapy and stuff like right away so I was able to kind of get at it right away before for you know it got really bad. So yeah yeah I mean so just for people the no for a period rid of time. You're the most followed female on fine until they they shut down. Yeah how many seventy eight million ten million followers online fine. Yeah so I I so I kind of had this crazy childhood. I mean a lot of people have obviously Just some really traumatic attic really bad stuff. I won't go into detail But yeah so then. My Dad raised me. It was just my dad and my brother and my dad was kind of this. You Know Funny League Goofy Guy and my brother was really funny and so I kind of grew up laughing and trying to like use comedy to kind of live my life and cope with everything in my life and what was absent in my life and so I was like clown I did theater all this stuff and then I was like oh I wanna go to La. When I graduate? And I WANNA due comedy and I WANNA do movies and TV. And that's what I want to do. And so when I was seventeen I packed up all my stuff and I went to. La and I struggled struggle for a really long time. Because I had no money I was broke You know people are like join groundlings or do you see or whatever and I was meeting all these people that were doing that stuff. But I couldn't wouldn't even afford it. I couldn't even afford like four hundred dollars a month for classes. I was just like all right. Well just hang out with you guys and maybe learn some stuff and then I was doing open bikes like you. The comedy store Improv. And all that stuff and when I was starting so funny because the people that I was with when I was starting like huge successful people not like Kristalina was starting and drawed Carmichael and like esther At the store. We're all doing open mics and stuff like that. The nice started dating a standup and the stand up that I started dating was like I don't want us both to do stand up. It's too competitive. Yeah and so I was like it will then be better stand up right but I was so insecure and just wanted to be loved which is like all the childhood shit so I was like okay. I'll stop doing stand up and you you can do it and I will go to Improv. And so I started like hang out with Improv people making videos whatever and then a couple years later Ryan came out and took gough. Can you ever the fucked up mom. Yeah I got a fucked up mom. Two years. A little more proactive a little more docile astle but either way the fucked up mom that does the that leaves a mark it really does look bad is bad fucked up mom. I'm leaving a mark right well. 'cause you don't have that nurturing you never got. I never got that nurturing. Like you'll be okay. I love you no matter what I check in with. You Hug you kiss you kind of thing. It was always like you know. Okay for instance. I'm probably GONNA get shape for drama from this but like so. This is an example so I remember being like five years old and getting a bath and my mom was giving me a bath and she was like do you think should leave your father. I was five and I was like I don't know like I'm five dude and your shoes. His giant Horse Cock just doesn't fit inside of me the real in Boban like just that's like an example of just like the kind of bullshit that I that's like a and that's like the light brighter version. It felt it's like I'm like five and I'm like do Horse Cock would even ill. But I've always said when a guy abandons A.. And the family the father has been or is sort of check down or maybe even verbally abusive or something. It doesn't mean he's nuts it just means kind of a bad dad or self selfish or self centered or whatever when the mom is that way. She's nuts there's issues there's an issue there's a million and one examples of where's your dad moved to Florida. When I was eleven? I never saw him again. He's a bad guy but he's not nuts mama who laughed like when you talk to people like Tucker Carlson. His mom just abandoned the family. The woman is nuts. There's something deeply wrong. Well I think some women just I don't have that maternal instinct. It's like that's Kinda makes them like they don't care they're all about them but usually usually usually they experienced some form of abuse. Like I kind of don't get into it because she had a traumatic childhood so whenever I talk about like what happened with me I'm like wow. She went through her. You know her. Father Cheated on my grandmother all the Times Rome no and like she was left at home with my grandfather at night and my grandmother worked nights at the hospital and my grandfather would leave my mom Tom at like three in the house by herself to cheat on my grandma. You know just like crazy Shit Kia how yeah and so many people replicate that. Yeah yeah they just go into another relationship and they just do it again right and then becomes generational and then they blame like Oh. I didn't have a good childhood so you know that's the reason in wind like childhood was fucked up. That's kind of what I get when I when I talk about. And she doesn't like me talking about it but I'm like I'm just it's true. I'm not going to sugar coat it. How do view not replicate that chaos? How do I not? Yeah well I did A. I did a lot of self work that that my mother didn't do doesn't do like I don't know now if she's in therapy. She said she's in therapy and working on herself. And like who knows on medication. Asian or not hopefully My Dad got me into therapy literally as soon as my parents got divorced. which was when I was like five live six years old and and what happened was is on developing OCD? So I don't know what from the stress I think I was going through was like I don't know if you know about this but basically like if I had to go downstairs I would have to touch my turn my lights on and off eight times and then I could go downstairs. And if I didn't then like my whole family would die and You know if I didn't unplug the blow Dryer eight times than the blow dryer was going to catch on fire and the whole house was GonNa burn out and so I started doing these rituals right do you. I have a little bit of this little bit. Yeah I find myself. Counting things. Counting is part of it too. Yeah like if you're in a room you just start counting the tiles like how many tiles are here and that kind of thing. or how many dots. Yeah Yeah Little I'm not. It's not bad for me but little rituals. They usually try to get me to do more than I was doing or something like that. But I don't know if it's a trauma of a bad mom that that brings brings a little that out. I mean I just think it's any trauma I think when you're a child and you're being exposed to things that children should not be exposed to. Oh it's GONNA create issues. I mean I didn't all of a sudden like you know I'm literally a little kid I don't know about OCD. And all of a sudden in my body I have this feeling that if I I don't know if I bump into somebody and don't bump them eight more times than part of their germs are going to go into me and I'm going to become them so you come out right you you start you become this fine superstar and well. It's true and and you can get paid a lot of money. I was making so much money. Well how much money can you make something like that. I worked with so many huge brands. I worked with like Wendy's I worked with Domino's I worked with proctor. Turn Gamble and did a bunch of their brands benefit cosmetics. When I was at like ten million followers on I was making like one hundred thousand dollars for a sponsored radio uh-huh and that's a six second video and how many of those would you do per week or month or I would usually get one branded video l. a. month And that was like one really good year when I would like you in sometimes too but it was usually one but then obviously this pressure our to churn out material. Yeah it's it's interesting because I have thoughts about it as well you know it's like Johnny Carson would go the tonight show. He'd roll up there at five thirty you know he'd start taping at seven. Do the show smoke cigarette. Try Back to Malibu no or go cross the street Chattanooga's or whatever wasn't have haven't steak and then go home. There isn't a sense of like. What are you creating when you get home? Yeah what about the drive home. Or what about the walk to Chattanooga are then what about a quick shot after the show some backstage whatever so this twenty twenty four seven. It's endless. The lights are always on the doors. Never locked it's a seven eleven. It's not close Sunday's there's no holidays it's just is is much material as you can churn out you churn and when you're not doing it you're thinking fallen behind. Yeah so someone's going ahead living and so then you get sucked into this weird treadmill. Yeah Hamster Right. And and the way showbusiness used to work as you know shows beyond sabbatical like we're going to do we do Eleven episodes and then we're dark There's no dark diamond the Internet. There's not you have to impose darkness or yourself essentially Yup. I have to like take breaks. My husband's like would love me to take more breaks from my my phone. You know. Obviously I make money off of my social media so it's my job so I'm constantly in the rat race per se with all all these other people that are constantly putting out videos every single day. It's a new video every single day. It's a new medium or it's a new this new that and so I am. You know I have have to keep up with that or you know I fall. I do fall behind. You know I mean just on vine like I had nine point eight nine point. Nine million ten million followers will call it and when I left vine went to instagram. But I didn't tell everyone. Oh come follow me on instagram right. But all the other viner's did and they had some people on vine the had less of following the mean now have like twenty million followers on instagram. Because they went. And we're like hey come follow me on this like I promoted the shit out of it and I just. I didn't think that way I was kind of like. Oh it's over and that was fun and I'm just going to keep doing instagram. People that wanted to find me on there could find me you know and it just. It's just nonstop though. It really is lucky. You're going to have to govern yourself. I do yeah I do now. Yeah and Tommy Lee who is. I'm always struck me as one of the most sincere guys ever. He's really sweet and sweet. We know he's a child. He's a child. I know him a bed. He's looking face. I don't I don't in one of these guys goes. I'm friends with Tommy Lee because I'm not friends with them but I know him and he has got such a child like spirit to him like. It's super sweet. It's super authentic. Yeah and it it exudes when you get around him that feeling it's beautiful that's like part. What made me fall in love with him? What is that like who? I don't know anybody that way like I know good dudes. I know generous people but I don't know that weird sort of like a shot. He's he's like he's the most like euphoric giddy. He is. It's like his personality. I would say is like he's a seventeen forever. Seventeen year old boy goth. He's like seventeen schools out for summer right seventeen like fun fun and has all this energy I mean he wakes up at eight. AM every day. Even on weekends. He goes running. He does boxing he you know He. He cooks himself breakfast. And he's happy and cheery and has and then he could stay up till like two. Am like he has this like exponential amount of energy. It's kind of weird I do. Do you believe it's something everyone can work on. But what he has is a wire and he doesn't take anything. He's not on an antidepressant. He doesn't do any drugs eggs like he doesn't even drink anymore. He's just him. Yeah kind of amazing I mean especially me because I take an antidepressant and on my God I would kill to fucking one wake up at eight. AM and like go for a run right now just to have that feeling to be like. Oh I knew Ron Gray you know the main CBS. And I and I I the same people I know I call. The people want to go to the wind swim one hundred laps at six. Am like what the fuck. I don't get it I don't get it either. I'M GONNA go out on a limb and say we have a sense of humor and dust where night owls think in a different way. It's better to be awake at night. I think no well. They've studied sleep patterns and personalities and types. I've talked to doctors about this. And there are people that are genetically wired to get up in the morning and there are people that are genetically wired to stay up at night and there's a few different encoded kind of wiring and. I don't think it's a coincidence. That comedy clubs aren't open at noon. You know what I mean like this shit all takes place at night into the we hours you know. People are up on stage at one thirty in the morning I was at the comedy store a night ago. Or whatever and it's like I is looking down the list like so and so won thirty. You know like yeah and there's people in the audience so the fact that it has it's called a nightclub yeah right. It's there for a reason those people right and maybe where those people I I think so. I think I've always been that way since high school like I've been I will stay up. I just I get become a live at nine pm like that's when I finally wake up and then I'm like I'll stay up until like three or four just right you have do. I think the key is you can be whatever kind of person person you WANNA be. Unfortunately life is going to impose a schedule. And if it's like there's one flight and it's the only flight that goes to Milwaukee and leaves leaves. Lax at seven am will then guess what night person fuck up got. No that's the worst. I mean it's so funny because we're talking about this movie spy intervention that I'm doing thing and it's such a fun movie. It's an indie movie and we shot it in New York state and I remember like I love doing films. I love acting. That's like what I came out here to do right so I love it but then it's so funny because you know when you're doing films and TV and stuff. It's you have to get up so early. I mean I had to be on and set some days at like five thirty. Am and I'm just like what the liquid so not me and no matter how much Melatonin I take the night before. I'm just like fuck I can't go to sleep. It's just not my schedule. You know what I mean but I would get up and do it but I was just like God. Can we just do night shoots like it'd be so much more convenient honestly. The Early Bird Shit fucks me up. It really does support with great. It was fun. I I think one one thing I've learned is you're not supposed to take Melatonin. It's not good for it doesn't put you asleep. It can keep your sleep but I think magnesium miss what you're saying well it's a curse on the exact same way can't shut it off and it's but look some people never turn it on. So Oh you got something to try to shut down. I try to think about that when I'm like you know I'm like God. I'm so jealous of these people. That are so proactive. And take anything fucking living their lives. Gabe okay but at least I have a sense of humor you know. At least you got to have a motor and a lot of people are call flatliners nothing there so you have that. So that's good now what we have to do I think a motor. It's like it's like a firearm. It's like a pistol. Is it good or is it bad. And the question is who's holding is it a gangbangers cop like who's holding it. I'm the bank robbers at security. Your motor it can be used for good or can we use for evil true he it can turn on yourself or you can be Jimmy Kimmel and be always out there creating rating in producing and always smiling and laughing and using that motor faced with her just like hey. It's so good to see you. It's good to see everybody all the time tonight. We have to him. I mean honestly I I watch talk shows and just the fact that they just laugh at everything that people say even when it's not funny. Yeah I'm just like God's painful I couldn't do it now I I couldn't be great. You know it couldn't do it. He's Genetically Gracious. Yes that's who he is. Okay that's nice. I'm not you're not not at all. That's not funny. I'm just going to be like okay. Cool and the worst late night hoses making people feel like shit all time. Nice try buddy so the feeling and uh I have a lot of thoughts about this subject. Subject is moving backwards. Okay and the the folks that never had any success in their life are like constantly pushing to try to find some success. Chen the folks. You and I are in the same category are we. Well you had ten million followers I had two shows on cable. TV Go internationally famous. I'm Internet famous. That's so different. You're like a real famous person. I'm like one of those famous people that are like. Oh Yeah. She had a bunch of followers. Like no one cares to be fair to you and and in-depth and and Should say not fair to me. Look I run into people. All the time they'll go like like you know. Hey what are you up to these days. You know and I'm doing a podcast survey ever writing a book and I go like okay. Hey Buddy Kimmel's killing it man and the dead there is that there's a lot of that deal with it. I mean that's how that's Showbiz. Okay but let's be honest if you died right now I died. You would be on the news. I wouldn't probably anywhere maybe press Houghton. What if you killed me? I bet you'd get some coverage that great. Can Somebody let me stab him so I can just get some press. I'm just kidding. No I'm being serious like that's how you feel like no-name eh kills national treasure news. At six seriously. Like that Internet chick I guess the vine girl Vine Star murders Adam Corolla wife of Tommy Lee exactly not even a name dead. There's so many people famous on the Internet. Now it's becoming like it's it's it's like who cares. Well I mean. I'm looking here at the time. Declared you to be one of the most influential people on the Internet. Two Thousand Fifteen Obama Barack Obama Kim. I'm Kardashian with Justin Bieber so the job is to get up every day and to sort of pedal that bike bike but to not obsess over. WHO's in front of you or WHO's behind you? You just get up and pedal the bike. That's the goal not to compare right not to compete. Repeat Lane. You're not you're not against anyone. You're not F- racing anyone in in in for you. You're married to a baby man child who makes money yeah. He's very successful on right now. I don't no what Tommy's income is but you don't need to work do you. I don't need to also I got married and and everything stays the same. I pay my own bills. I pay car insurance health insurance everything for myself my phone bill. I never once was expecting that. Just because I'm marrying someone who makes a lot of money that I'm going to all of a sudden get a free ride and that's what's funny a lot of people own. ooh Gold digger bitch. I pay all my own shit the only thing I don't pay his rent because it's not my house. My husband's house you know it's his house. He bought it with his money belongs to him. What's the majority or the lion? Share of Tommy's income. What do you mean by that is it? Royalties is touring as it producing deploying like okay. So Motley crue is really re. They were really smart when they are with Elektra records and they were leaving them they. They demanded handed Electra. was you know they had some disagreements and electro was owned all their songs and then they said okay. We'll we'll leave early and give you back. Whatever if if you just give us our rights and our back to our songs are ownership right So they're one of the only bands that own their music and they own their. You know their catalog which is worth so much money like so so much money so he constantly you know whenever someone plays a Motley Song or whatever on TV he gets like thousands and thousands of dollars for the mailbox money. Yes he doesn't have to do anything to be honest but he is so proactive. And he's still so healthy and you know Oh you know obviously tons of fucking energy. So they're doing this tour at the stadium tour. I heard about it until they're going on tour again with with freaking. I think it's a DEF LEPPARD. Joan Jett Poison Motley crue. It's GonNa be fucking insane. It's already sold out. How things not till June? It's like sold out in like forty states. And do you go along with him on the tour. I've never gone along with. I'M GONNA go along for this one. I'M GONNA check it out figured out the accommodation's like is at work. We find first class with private jet jet that we lease out for the whole tour. They've done that. They have a they all. Get these crazy bosses because that's the easiest way so like they'll fly to like wherever the show started. I think it starts in Florida or Miami life and I think what they do as off fly there and the bus meets them there and then they kind of venture their way back to Los Angeles bus and so you take a bus and you know you get like two or three days off here and there but for the most part it's like he said it's like perform Get on the bus sleep. And then you wake up in the next state or city and you perform again and it's like back to back to back and they get like sometimes a day or two often between so it's pretty gnarly for three months straight and I'm excited excited. I think it's going to be fun. Never gone done this before the. It's it's exciting and grueling. I think it's so I was like aren't you tired. I like playing for fucking two hours. which is beating on drums? And then you go to sleep in the next night. You've got to do it again like aren't you sore. Like I don't know how he does it. That's what I'm saying. He's like a machine gene. The probably GONNA take turns headlining or rotating whatever I think DEF LEPPARD and them switch back and forth between who's who's headlining but then then it's like poisoning Joan Jett play get like forty or fifty minutes but yeah so you know how it is. It's like they're all these big big bands all sharing a stage which is insane. I mean and and I went to the press conference and I mean everyone's like Zor so ready I mean like Bret michaels still looks great like Joan. Jett looks great. They're all still loving performing. So it's GonNa be crazy. Show you calm when me do them. Yeah I would love to go. Yeah so you have this childhood. That's lesson enviable right come out here at seventeen which is really young to a specially girl coming out to to this place is yourself by herself and I moved to downtown. La Hey this was two thousand and five the allentown when there was nothing. There wasn't even a grocery store. Yeah I don't want what year. What year staple center built round? Then I think the staple center was there but it was like there was nowhere to eat. People realize downtown was scary. Gary Vacant Omega Man Shit. Like there wasn't anything going on now. Yeah there was just nothing going on dicey and weird not sort of what. It is a staple the staple center opened in ninety nine. But it's sort of began the process amac rejuvenating downtown. But now it's awesome right. You're there during a scary time and because I thought downtown. La was like New York City. Right I thought. Oh that's where I need to be right. I know so. Oh you have a resilience and kind of core toughness and and the motor we talked about and you also have the the experience you have the been there done than highs and lows to reflect on. So you're sort of well equipped at this point. Also Donald Therapy and self reflection still doing a lot of their still doing a lot of therapy. And you're you're in good shape for the the next step. Yeah I mean I'd like to think so it's not like I don't have my days like there'll be days where I wake up and I'm like Jesus Christ what the fuck is I am. I GonNa Weird your pain somewhere and you ever have that happen and get a shooting pain in one part of your body and you're like Oh this. Is it an interesting thing. I I'm curious I think if you grow. Oh up with a mom. That's not nurturing and doesn't really pay any attention to you or whatever you can either go into a slightly hypochondriac mov share or you can go into my mode. Which is I? Don't care you don't care about dying. I don't have any thoughts thoughts about my health at all. No I mean I don't have concerned for my well being no fear. That's just I have a high threshold for pain and I don't think about that. Do you feel good most days like you feel regular like you don't feel like anything's wrong. You don't get hot flashes. You don't get fast heart rate. Nothing like that. I'm trying to think I I do think about. Well how do you how do you feel and you go well. I don't know how's everyone else feel like i. I don't and have a yardstick to measure right other people's I don't know where the starting point is like. Can we set a mark for how everyone feels and then I would know. Oh I feel good or bad. Well if you're not thinking about how you feel if it's not coming to your mind like the forefront of your mind you're probably good because the thing his with me is I constantly have like my body has like physical reactions to anxiety or stress and so that I'm constantly thinking about it because I'm like checking doing a lot of checking being in you know what I mean like. Oh God my heart beating really fast and like then I'll start thinking about that and that kind of thing but if you're just living your life and you're not even worried about it like you're not worried about like I'm feeling hot or hands or whatever you're good. I think you're good I I. I think there's a danger in checking your Own Gauges Oh for sure. Who often for sure running hot my run in cold oil pressure too high like what's the RPM like if you're just staring at your dashboard of life all the time waiting to overheat or blow a gasket or something? I I like cars but the point is you have to Kinda when I race cars. Yeah they'll be a gauge. And it'll be a water temp gauge. You know in and they'll be a little sticker on it and it'll be like if it starts getting above to who twenty. It's it's getting into a bad zone so you wanted it between one ninety two hundred or something like that but if it's our and then so you you do your race and when you're on a straightaway and there's not people around you so close and whatever in everything's vibrating you make a lot of noise and stuff but you will look down we can. You can glance and check that needle and see where it's at but if you just stare at it you'll crash. Yeah and it's kind of a metaphor. It's like the gauges there and you should check the gate. which just glance at it and then back to back to the task at hand like getting around the next corner? Here's the thing that sucks for me is that I have a very severe anxiety disorder so I'll wake up sometimes because my heart is pounding out of my chest and then I have like an an APP that my doctor was like. Oh just download this APP and make sure that it's not over. You know your heart's not beating over one thirty or forty or whatever right and sometimes it is for no reason like take out asleep and my heart will be literally beating one hundred and fifty beats per minute hundred forty just ran or something and so. That's the kind of thing that happens to me. It's not like I'm looking looking forward. It's like it'll just happen and I'm like stock and I'm like fuck and I'm freaking out. I'm like what do I do. And it's it's weird. It's like it just happens for you. What is your answer her volume no? I think I'm pretty sure I can cure your problems you can. Oh my God if I just come on your show and you fix me I'd be so happy. I do look fixed Dr drew when he had a panic attack. I have them all the time. I had one on the way here I could. My hands went numb because I was tired and in sleep well last night and I was driving and I started thinking okay. I'm freely tired right now. And my hands. My anxiety just manifest physically so the hands literally will go numb like stab. Him was a fork in. Wouldn't feel it and so I'm sitting there and I'm like fuck fuck and having anxiety attack and I'm trying to think about it. You know now and I do all these things like a depressing APP. I Have Valium for emergencies. But Hey taking drugs so I hardly ever take it And then I do this thing where it's like Main mindlessness or whatever you just say oh you say a word over. And over and head Oprah talked you say the word like blank over and and over again and you can't keep thinking but I would love to hear how you care. Dr Drew of his panic attacks. Well I just yelled at him told me had it's time to get back on stage and perform and he got up and right and then he was out of his head he wasn't he wasn't left alone with his panic attack he was given marching orders yelled at him. Yeah it was sort of like if you're we're having a panic attack and then all of a sudden you saw like a runaway train heading at you you're panic attack would see your number one thought was. How do I get out of the way of this mountain lion or this? Whatever if you were having a panic attack? Let's say you're in your living room and you had a panic attack. And all of a sudden there was an earthquake. You wouldn't be in panic Hanoch attack anymore. You'd be like I gotTa Find Door. Jammer the decorative plates are gonNA fall off the top of Tommy step cabinetry and the kitchen you know. Ah You'd be somewhere else then like I just yelled at Dr Drew. Get Out of his panic attack at the fuck back onstage. I'm talking you sit there. Let's go and throw them on stage and he stopped having panic attack. That's not what's going to cure you help me what's going to where you you guys live near you up in the hills Phil you gotTa Swimming Pool. We do they keep it heated during the winter months now now it's heated. Are you talking about cold showers and cold trump that plunge your person that said this fix excess real. It'll it'll it's so good for you physiologically really but it's better for you mentally. What does it do it it it gets you first things I I do it every morning? I live in Lockin Yada executive every everything the first thing it does is is it gives you something to do. I gotta get up gotTa do this now. There's a there's a part of it like we talked about. We're night people right. I go to bed at twelve. Thirty one o'clock regardless of what the next day Holt and I do a lot of up at five thirty meet that thing with Uber to the LAX lax. And then the flight that leaves. I do a lot of that so when I go to bed at twelve thirty. One o'clock in the alarm goes off at five fifteen. I feel like Shit. I mean I feel feel sluggish sluggish is shit and oftentimes. That can stay with you throughout the day like this kind of crazy sort of Malaysia. Rain Weird kind of cobwebs. Like you're not one hundred percent you know and with what we have to do is get on a plane. You gotta go to this thing you got to this guy show or whatever renewed like in this Weird Echo Chamber of. There's there's fog in your head you do a lap underwater and a freezing pool new pop up the other side. I fucking awake. You're fucking awake. You're one hundred. I don't care what time you went to bed the night before and what time the alarm went off this time. You pop pop out big inhale the cold water coming off you naked your fucking one hundred percent awake while you do that every morning every single more. Throw yourself in the pool. Walk in and go down deep underwater. I go back a pop up in your one percent way now. There's a physiological thing that's going on with the cold water it's good. It's good Britain inflammation. It's good for everything while the athletes sit in the cold in the cold water tub game professional. There's there's there's a bit of everything but the the main thing is you have broken yourself. You're in charge of you. You know because when you have the panic attack that you out of control. That's the panic attack taking charge of you you going in the pool. It's like in the documentary and as it happens so often young girls like yourself in cutting on yourself. That's a way to sort of try to control something negatively. But you're trying to control it this. This is a positive version of you controlling your life and the number one answer is it's fucking cold. I don't WanNa do it. Yeah I know. That's that's the deals Okola cold. I hated to. That's the deal but it is you physiologically and psychologically elite just taking control of your life is shocking your system and it just shocks you and also when you walk when you're walking out in steams coming out of your mouth in the morning morning you're not thinking about any. He's just staring at the pool. Like you're not going worse my instagram account. And you have any thoughts other than what you have to do. Does it work the same if I was to turn my shower on cold and gotten a cold shower now. Do you have to throw yourself in the whole thing about the shower because this is what Dr drew does okay. It leaves the door open for cheating a little bit like a snack. Well to a diet like these are low. Oh Fat Fudge Brownie cookies. Yeah snack I know you do. But it's cheating. Snack is bullshit. Shouldn't you get one hundred thousand dollars dollars for one hundred thousand. I'd do for eighty grand snack. Well what I'm saying is is it's great but if you're eating eating fudge you ain't on a diet. This is the part in the shower. You get to control and you find yourself being very good to yourself herself. And you're like I'll get some hot water going. Just get my court up a little bit. I'll give my civil shot and then I'll bring it back now. He's going to be freezing cold. You gotta go for it talk you gotTa Pool Idea Calabasas exact same region. I am in terms of outdoor tamp. It gets cold guy fucking freezing. People don't realize in California like it's so hot you must be like tank tops like all the time and I'm like no dude. There's like Frost sometimes times. You know people don't realize that now here's the deal. Yeah there is no negative side effects. There's no bad cold. You're not gonNA HAVE OUR TAX Jio not you're not gonNA get anything get nothing and if you'd like the entire journey round trip to be under three minutes it's totally doable You can never do time as an excuse. Okay see tire from US walking out that sliding door in the back of your toasty warm. Hacienda Hacienda to the time you walk back in with the towel on under Beatles Song. You don't have to stand there certain amount of time. Just jump in shock your system get it out. I would walk in shallow in but with purpose. Don't ever slow down and just walk it right in. Don't stop. Don't stop go to the deep end. Go underwater my second drown yourself. She's had a kid around in his fucking. How horrible horrible? That house was built on an Indian burial ground. That was. That's where all the horrible horrible shit happened to him at that house. Awful Mojo in Malibu horrible. He said like they told them when they bought the house that it was a barrel ground like you know and you know while he said that it was just always bad vibes. They're just always. It was really negative. I remember that yeah kids partying. He got in trouble for but it was crazy because he had like. He had hired a lifeguard. Who didn't do their job? He hired a lifeguard for the day and the kid the kids would happen. Was the kids nanny I was like I'm going to go take go check on my dog or something and left the kid. There was a kid specifically for that the nanny further kid that would drown the lifeguard and the life. Guard and Tommy's like I fucking hired a lifeguard paid lifeguard to watch everybody and he's a fucking idiot and it's like it was horrible. Yeah Yeah is after fifteen years ago. God it's got to be more than that 'cause I came to. La Definitely all right. So let's get back to you not drowning in the pool. Aw I'm telling you for laying. Drowns herself told Adam Corolla told her to unknown actress found floating and Tommy Lee fool. Well after advice from pot King Adam. Corolla goes awry news at six Adam girl daughter to go shockers system dead now. How do you WanNa you're never going to follow up on this? What do cold plunge? Well I WANNA I wanna I WANNA do like a five day in a row. Yeah and say if it's changed my life. Okay now. Do you go underwater head underwater everything. Okay you gotta get under. I'm GonNa do it do it. I all do Thomas. We're GONNA ask Tommy. I will do it. I'M GONNA get up and walk myself into the pool drown a little bit and then get out go under go go under five days. Okay and see how my panic attacks are I yes. You're a mentally tough person. Well no you're both know. All right I will. You're kidding me. Do Crazy work ethic ethic. And you know how to push yourself push push myself through it so I would see you like a nineteen sixties Jaguar which his Beautiful thanks performance is great for the wiring. A little tricky dad could could start raining. fucking ca-car wouldn't start so all we gotta do is fix the wiring. Okay cool good. We got the beautiful part part and we just work. That wiring harness out. I I went and had my brain shocked. And that's still didn't even cure it you you were capable of pushing yourself in achieving and being the tough on yourself and trying you do that pool five days around okay. No cheating get underwater. What if you would it? Be Crazy if you fix me out out of all the money I've spent going to doctors that are just trying to put me on drugs. Give it to me and my mind. Adam Corolla changed my life. He told me to go get underwater in a pool. I will I will. I'll change your chemistry. I will fix this for you. Fix Dr Drills every day now. Now he's a pussy but Vieira's there's a panic attack. I'll fix him. It's crazy to hear. The Dr drew has panic attacks. It's a it's a first off. You find out. Everyone just has foibles the bills. Right right. Everybody she'll ever do worry about how I feel. I don't worry about dying. I'm just me I just live my life. I have concerns and and I have thoughts but I don't bury myself in them normal. I feel like it's too self indulgent. It's counterproductive doesn't doesn't make you happy or does it make you money. Try to think about that. Help IT I. I know you know do you though it's like it's like a I don't know like I wish I could. Just you know. Be Like who fucking cares and I tell myself that to try to trick myself. Don't care right and then that little voice in your brains grains like nobody do care like you know you do you really care you know how you can drown out that little voice icy cold water coming in your ears. Drowning rounding out that little voice. You'RE GONNA shut. Can't you'RE GONNA trounce. I love it. I love the days in Iran. I can't wait. I'm going to do it. I know it works. I'm going to be so happy it's GonNa Change my life it's GonNa work okay. Yeah I'll let you now. Yeah in K.. Or five five days in a row honor system. I swear scout's honor and Tommy. Better thank me to He. Should I mean it's so funny because I'll have like a panic attack doc. Out of nowhere a minor so crazy my whole body shaking. Where are you physically when you have these attacks in the pool? If you're at home yeah throwing in the paddock attack. We'll see the second you. He hit that frosty water. I've read to a freezer really and they were like stick your head go stick your head in the freezer. Tommy said he read that right. I know what's wrong wrong wrong with Tommy normally like why are you faking which wrong. He doesn't get it at all. He's knowing Zayed's he's no stress drums drums like he's just so regular he was born. I was born to drum. I tell people this I use it you can tell Tommy said this. I say this all the time. It's funny because Franklin our next guest standing in the wings they're mad at the Allan Parsons shows. Drummer for Lenny Kravitz Avid so good drum. Talk but I was saying whenever somebody says why. Do you like building like. Why do you like comedy? What do you do comedy comedy? Where that come from shootout bill? There's data comedian or or you're in so much pain or you wanted acceptance or win over the bullies your school using comedy or whatever and I go Tommy Lee when I asked him where this drumming come from he said when I was five I banged on pots and pans and I said okay. That's what you do because you're drummer and I like the comedy. I was banging on pots and pans but I was doing it with jokes and I was doing. It with building wasn't anything that doesn't know I was in so much pain or trying to win over. Whatever yeah it was just about that was was in me? But I always used Tommy's and example. What's different about comedy than him banging on pots and pans? When he was six which is probably told you about? Yeah he did. Yeah a great life. Now it's better with you in it by worse I with Brittany in my podcast. You WanNa hear more neurotic I'd like to. I'm should be doing your part talk to my podcast. Yeah Utah people come on there and talk about the worst. Bill Burgess did it it Kreischer. Did it talk about the worship. That's happened to you. It is you know. Sometimes it's sad sometimes it's funny it's whatever spy interventions the name of the movie. Guess that I just did. It comes out tomorrow. Valentine's Day it's out and select theaters in In about a week from now it'll be on itunes and DVD. If you guys still use those video-on-demand all right. I'M GONNA follow up with a new this five days five days. Plunge yes that curl health advice. I first first things first. Your toughest shit mental saw that video. I know you got it in you and number two. 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That the campaign couldn't find a way to move forward but his crowd already chanting twenty twenty four Yang's message of of universal basic income with his freedom dividend and the value added tax along with his net zero emissions initiative seemed to appeal to supporters online across the country young. He says he's definitely not ruling out a twenty twenty four presidential run and as to who is going to endorse in twenty twenty young. Had this to say right. Now we're we're still Obviously reflecting on our own campaign author thing I will support the Democratic nominee is and this process is very important. Ridden for voters to make their voices heard And see what the direction of the Party is So no endorsements Right now though other candidates have I've been reaching out to me over the last number of hours which I appreciate a great deal hoping for business. Yeah basically and I mean again saying I will. I will support whoever is picked. He kind of won me over when at some point early on he just went luck. It's not really about calling trump. A Russian aspire beating trump up we need policies. We gotTA win on policies. I'm not interested in that kind. Of did what Bernie did with the emails. Hillary by the way they're the authentic people that both just went like look. I'm not here to tell you what's wrong with the why the other person is worse than me. I'm here to tell you why I'm better than the other person. That was a weird way to run a relationship or an ex wife or current wife or anything it out to make the case for you with your policies. I liked that immediately I liked it when Bernie said forget about Hillary's email to move forward. That's right rose. McGowan was quote disgusted by. Hi Natalie. Portman Oscar dress which was adorned with the names of female directors. who were snubbed? Rose McGowan is on my short list of chicks that we're going to get it allowed entertainment from because super smoking hot chicks get old they go nuts go nuts. She's her Pam Anderson. They're going to go they're already they're they're getting there. Yeah forces rose has been helped along with some bad publicity but Yeah so you think why would rose McGowan all in hate on this. You know all the names of the women are embroidered on his own. The nominated women on the Cape female directors who are snubbed reported on the Cape. Why would rose hate this well in a scathing? FACEBOOK post McGowan called Portland's quote type of activism deeply offensive to those of us who actually do the work the former star accused hormone COONASS circle woke off everybody everybody. Let's eat the cookie walk off. So she says lips off Homerun lip service. Is the problem. Fake support other women as the problem. she encouraged the Oscar winner quote and other actresses to walk. The walk. McGowan wasn't alone. By the way and calling Portman a hypocrite. Many people in social media pointed out that the star is is only used one female director over her eight projects made by her company. Gives you that. Female director was I say almost a trick question Caitlyn Jenner himself. It's herself Oh that was the only female director. She's used in her production company. So rose trying to make a point okay Eh. I don't wait years it again. Going on all right. Let's have a march okay but remember the good news is none of this is gonNA matter the dead in ten years yes or or something like that. Yeah it's coming so society that's all right. MacAulay culkin defends Michael Jackson in a new interview with esquire. This is just going to keep coming around every few years. The Home Alone Star tells the magazine that the singer quote never did anything to me. I never saw him do anything. And especially at this point in time. I'd have no reason to hold anything back. He's passed on sexual abuse allegations against Jackson recycle strong defense. Well over their whole whole whole on. But you're right. I mean but he wants to make it clear that that never happened to him. Of course this all resurfaced after leaving Neverland Kokin who is the Godfather. ADV father to Jackson's daughter says he would have seen something by now and or said something by now if he'd been abused he said if anything. I'M NOT GONNA say it would be stylish or anything like that but right eight now would be a good time to speak up and if I had something to speak up about I would totally do it but I never saw anything. Okay so Michael probably had the no names aims up and coming right cardboard refrigerator box sidewalk dancer guys who he knew busted family. He knew he could work that one out prime targets not the brand new star of the home alone star in the world. And that's that's that is not. That's a well guarded target. You know what I mean. That'll get you a lot of fun. That's potentially dangerous. So he probably had this thing where he liked just hanging being around with the young it guy but then it got physical. He'd go at the young guy so and also I don't know how old Macauley is but when you're Levin you don't really really no ship that's going on say no and walking around Jacko comfortable. The Woods light going. What's going on here? But he says about them and and to your point. Another pal of Michael's Corey Feldman also said Michael Never touched him now. Corey Feldman has been famous since he was born. So that's that's a very similar issue there. Have you heard about this dude Lawrence. Ray He is all over the news right now ex. Con Financier Zere Lawrence Ray has been charged with allegedly running a sex cult and money laundering ring out of his daughters dorm room. Essentially story is insane sane so according to prosecutors New York Ray moved into his dorm room. But I've read other articles that they were in an apart- shared apartment department at Sarah. Lawrence friends dislike. What do they call the door monitor? The residents comes in like I told you know toaster ovens no hot plates dates and no sex cult run by all three of those student. Housing could be like sweets or it was more like that So this was in Sarah Lawrence in Yonkers New York in two thousand ten. He began acting as a mentor. Lecturing the group and boys and girls on his personal philosophy conducting therapy therapy sessions during which he learned into my black brothers or he's talking about getting profiled and stop and Frisk. Oh there's a white version of this. I mean you see see this guy and he go throw away the key you know. He's up to something for sure. Yeah yeah there's a white dude who's ball you're gonNA. Yeah Yeah and you are probably anymore so he allegedly used this psychological torture and violence. Physical violence wants to keep these victims under his thumb for some to do his bidding prosecutors. Say He made at least a half a million dollars in sex trafficking money. He made another half a million by scamming the victims and their parents bank accounts and I heard a little more on this. He would basically. It sounds similar to things we've heard about scientology like someone to sit in the hot seat. beat and tell all their secrets and if they don't have any you make them up and that's how you gain trust with the group at then uses it against you and you know we've heard this from Leah remedies show and all these things and then Dan he starts charging kids and he says you touch my duct tape. You ate my cereal. You broke the you know the radiator and so he gives them an itemized list. One of the list ended up being forty seven thousand dollars and the kid went to his parents and said honey. This is gonNA payback. Mr Ray. They said are you kidding. Fuck yourself so the kid threaten to kill himself Alf. The parents paid and so he was not only turning some of the kids out but extorting them directly through their parents or this guys are deplorable character actor. No no doubt but you don't fuck with the guys duck day I knew I was going to leave the duct tape out. But he's a bad guy right and deserves to be excuse that I understand duct tape is kind of a personal item and you'll get used to going to use some of it then you need to Ah back right. He's very much Max. Pat ripped off footage duct tape neighborhood. Come up all the noise about masturbating the hostage situation here this dude this this happened last year but he just got charged. He got charged in New Jersey. So this one for a while I what. How does this stuff continue? Yeah I'm so confused. Well that's the thing you take a young impressionable group of College Kids and the dad comes in and he's like a mentor. Then it's is it a slippery slope. I don't think I would have fallen for. But who knows also fashionable. There's so many it's an it's a there's an unending supply John's right just sure middle aged dudes. I'll give money job. Who are all these good question? Oh the other thing. I heard that he did one of the gay roommates who he really didn't want to be gay He he made him have have sex with one of the other girls. You know. And he'd watched sometimes he joined in he'd bring the landlord in to join in on the On the Fund and then with the kid came back and said I really. I still think I'm gay. He made him put on one of the girls. Dresses walked to the mailbox. Come back and then unlike us a bunch of sex toys on himself while the kids laughed because he was very handmaid's tale like come on keep laughing at them like very very very disturbing this. This is only getting worse when the trial comes kind of reminded me my downstairs neighbor. Al Assad crazy crazy PERV move down the unit whatever whatever he just came up the box at dildos but plugs and spank magazine inflatable dolls and stuff this whole box. And it's like sounds like you guys could use a help enhance. Here's is a box of blogs and giant novelty dildos vibrators and stuff. That's been clearly up people's assholes area drop it off. Robs it off finish like here a lot of action going on up here and night. Yeah that's that's not me. That's my buddy Chris. He's like yeah well next time when those youngins come bison-1 Jason one down Mike. I'm like okay. We'll see how that works. They stacey middle aged guy. You'll recognize him. Because he's got these thick horn rimmed glasses. He's wearing a windbreaker breaker. That says Santa Anita got so well I go down their circus deck the okay to eighteen nineteen go down there. Blow Al Doc skipper with them. But he's not going to go down yeah he he has some really attractive characteristics. He likes to keep the roll up. Hosepipe thing then the thing that's made out of. PVC keeps it in his kitchen for safekeeping. Why is that safekeeping or you? Leave it outside could get stolen. Okay you know what I mean I mean I guess that's smart So does he like do you owe him money or something or why am I doing this. I just kind of honor system. You know he came up. Said why don't we send one of gals down and I. You know you thought I'd be willing The Santa Anita has to Santa Anita windbreakers. Read One and blow own. CNN San Anita race track. He looks like he was in the lords of flatbush like but without a speaking role and he's got a Hamm's beer cousy. That's pretty pretty worn out so you'll know it he's had it for a while. I think these things are meant to be turned over. But he's So he's down there now. So if I see the the hose and the cousy that I know I got towels apartment and skipper his skipper dog. Oh Dog and the dog will be in there with us He goes ever skip. Yeah I guess he does everything with skipper and again I'll be like Compensated or we will some called satisfaction job. Well done yeah. I wouldn't call my elderly but I wouldn't call them young a young okay. So you're a meals on wheels thing. Might he's outside. He'll just be doing that. Move Very waters along with the hose and his thumb over it out of the race it out that one that talk now back in February go. It's the guy lived under us. Jesus Christ the canal. He's lift windbreaker up near the pistol stuff into his fucking pants. Line crazy shit. I who are these people. Aw He's he. I'm sure he's long daddy by probably sir. If you're having a hard time finding a job you may WanNa cut back back on your social media posts for awhile. Employers are looking at your social media presence at according to a study from Penn state if you come across a self absorbed or if you do a post a lot especially about controversial stuff you are definitely less likely to be hired another bad idea of course posting about all the drinking and drugs or doing penn state professor Professor Michael Twos says quote in twenty eighteen seventy percent of employers reported looking at social media sites to help them evaluate the potential employees and sixty percent have have eliminated candidates on the basis of negative content. It's important for job. Candidates to be aware of how they portray themselves on social media. Well I mean think about added like you go up and look at the guy and he's got a bunch of pictures after they completed the tough mudder obstacle course or something volunteering at the soup kitchen. Whatever you see a bunch of that go okay? That's one person and then you see the other person that's doing the cake stand. Then you go back. I make mischief days over a couple of days interesting interesting look. How much do you really need to see of a person these days? You know it's a it's is kind of a thing where it's my you come over for the first date and you want to use the bathroom and you go in there and as your shun the door you see the Mirror Marinucci. The guy kick the dog. I mean you go is that that's who he is. Yeah you're not interesting dates over like one one little gesture one little thing that you don't need see that much right now does it. I'm in well. I mean when I saw Paula Garra goes from seven blocks away just walking down the street and she didn't know I star and she just stopped picked up a piece of garbage from the ground held it in her hand and was just kept walking and I was like. Oh that's a good woman. That's a good woman. She's picking up garbage and there's no trash cans and that's all you need to know about her. I know she's not up to something horrible and I know that's a good civically minded whatever yep and then there's the bitch is putting the notes on on Max Patas car. That's all you need to know about her. I don't I don't need to go online. That's what I need to know. Speaking the cars GEICO. Do you rent your home. Do you own your home either. Way You gotTa have insurance. How about you bundled those policies at Geiko that is GEICO DOT dot com? It's a good thing because You find out just how much money you can save at Geiko Dot com easy quick and simple go to GEICO DOT COM. I'm today and bundle that homeowner's or the renter's insurance with your auto insurance and save a bunch of money at Geiko Dot Com right. What else we got? Gina Grad the price of a one one kind of a premium Disney theme parks. Day Pass has shot above the two hundred dollar mark for the first time the so-called one day park hopper we can go back and forth between Disneyland in California adventure now cost two hundred nine bucks on peak days Usually weekends up from one thousand nine hundred another ten dollars. But that's not it. They have now how they five. They've tier pricing plan. That apparently depends on the time of year at the day of week so just to put it even more perspective since two thousand. The price of admission to Disneyland has jumped from MM forty three dollars to one hundred fifty four dollars for a new single day ticket price at the parks busiest day. Just charge five hundred because it's heroin Irwin. They've got you by the short hair kids they want to go. They WANNA go they WANNA go. What are you going to do? Look nothing you can do. That's the crazy thing because we've said in the past like well it will eliminate it'll thin the heard you can't afford that people are coming now more than ever this notion of like you know we're going to do to get people to Get Out of the cars are GonNa make gas more expensive. I know people still are getting into cars. We'll give it quit. Smoking will raise the price of cigarettes that can buy cigarettes. Forgo something who we are. Yep that's how we roll if you have kids and those kids are dying to go to Disneyland and it's one hundred eighty nine bucks versus one hundred twenty nine bucks. Nothing nothing on the parents going to do about it. Just save up to go. Yeah you're going to get it on the calendar where the food in the park. I was getting the good news is once you enter into the gates. Everything is free inclusive. Yeah Yeah I got the stupid guide. Six hundred bucks is an hour with a minimum of five hours or something. It's insane it's insane and also Meraz talking to yesterday. Ah No one can really answer questions anymore with talking about going potluck and comedy store. And how's it work and we just never got anything first thing out of my mouth the first first thing out of my mouth when they said you're going to get one of these Guides and she's GonNa lead you around. All I said was is I am going to feel really uncomfortable. Just walking past everyone going to the front of the line. Cutting going to that family been waiting an hour. And a half to get on the matterhorn ago. Still Number Rich Guy here you remember from the man Shia. Yeah step right in front of you. I said I don't want to do that. I don't like the way that looks. I don't like the way it feels and they just went. No we have a separate door. We thought about the door. Okay go the matterhorn. Walk Faster and go to the front and I go yeah. We're just walking passer right. Yeah that's why now works as a separate door okay. I feel like a roach back. I don't vixen aerial came up you better have a cast on the anyway crutch. So I'm telling you if you guys ever do that at some point talking to anyone within the sound of my voice someone successful when they break for lunch that is the worst twenty minutes your fucking life like when they're standing there and they're getting getting paid like Mark Erica's Belleville out other try. Try to bail Chris Brown out like fucking billable hours and they're on track and and off and then the wife is buying ship for the chip. Doc is charging me six hundred bucks an hour if you WANNA water and a corner. y'All have you get your out you'll get your own. I keep yelling Erin up here we go. We're GONNA and eat corn dogs on the way to space mountain and then like relax. Let Him we went on our feet. Like here we go. I was running that thing in Iran. I'm trying I'm trying to think of. There's this is five consecutive hours Capri hunch out for lunch. I ran that thing like fucking doc in Paul Bear. Bryant ran his training camp in Alabama. Everybody out the junction boys under. Its keep marching fourth quarter. Here we go. Hey you go a half speed to get hurt. We WanNA privacy. You'll cry Bob going. We're GONNA record. Let's go jingle jangle angles last guy to space mounds out. Running back laps Kirks arly army like at Disneyland. See Line of course my experience because we're not sitting down and eating we're on the fucking clock. Let's go go have speed. You get hurt the rest of your life too easy day it was yesterday. I wonder what she makes. because she ain't making that money and that's not doing in her pocket. It's weird that she would have to buy your own food and she employee of the Of the park discount. Just this is just Lynette. Going to the window going like you know you have a nine dollar water awesome attacked act on your bill because he was just being nice shirt hundred nine dollars an hour havoc she had a roof sack or anything and and then the worst. Then you get to. The end is like well. We gotTA tipper and I'm like okay. Hold on a second I feel the same way about the masseuse like you after. GD And you're making one hundred and twenty eight bucks an hour work it out with your employer. You're nineteen years old. You make six hundred dollars you can pay like a like a high priced attorney. Let fucking Walt Disney tip. You let them settle yacht and then yeah they only make like thirteen dollars an hour. Okay well let's not on me six six hundred like what does she go on the rides with you know a bridge too far. She doesn't get to have fun with you. I don't think you sit here and wait. There's the famous picture picture. Fall US going down bear mountain and sunny looking. Everyone was on brand except for Senator Scared shitless. I don't think she was in the yeah. Don't think so and would your kids ever go to Disney with their friends without a guide. You think they'd be over it. I don't know I do remember. We get to the end of like we'd go right to the front of like expes mountain a right to the front of the matterhorn. And I'd go all right here. We go in in the car in the Toboggan and sunny with spazzy up and go no. I'm scared I don't want to go and I go in the dog log in here. We go and then Lynette. He doesn't WANNA go son. We're having this thing around good to say anything. Just in the Toboggan Henrico and now we're up up to the front of the line and now we're arguing in the front of the line and they're going to run in Gilo aren't the crime he doesn't have to go. He doesn't want to go on to do that. Get in the car yeah. It was awesome fun great awesome. His eyes are closed and he's covering his ears and Italian laughing in your ass off does not the guy next Italian now. I don't know and that's leaning over trying to help sunny with her ear and I'm just marveling at the whole mess Josh. That's basically that's it. That's entire warm. Funny that you're the rich guy who paid for this because you do look like a child Predator that lives in a trailer park intervening intervening Hobo Predator. Let's bring it home. I'm Gina Grad. I'm sorry the news inter from the backside. That was the news with Gina. Grad Class MANATT lease simply safe. Feel unsafe at home period. That's why why we have simply safe. SIMPLISAFE DOT com slash. Adam be smart and do that. TJ Miller coming into. America is always interesting Chris. Sting and Cleveland. Hilarity River Twenty-seventh Indianapolis Helium Eight twenty nine dot com for everything. Go check out UPPITY on that flex and you can go to chassis and get it there and get all the movies there. 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Introducing Ellie and the Wave!

Murder Minute

10:24 min | 1 year ago

Introducing Ellie and the Wave!

"Hey this is dan done. The host of what we're drinking with dan done on the latest episode we can get deep dive into america's native spirit urban with my very special guest tiffany thesis that's right got the throwback whiskey we kelly hausky and it turned out to be everything could have possibly dreamed of and more. Did you see some of my alcohol is actually getting a little low and you do have some bottles that are saying let down into my dressing room. I don't let a lot of men in my dressing. This is where i do all my podcasts dressing all completely innocent. I swear also in the latest episode details on how to win a pair of passes to the bourbon beyond mm festival in kentucky next month featuring foo fighters robert plant hall notes joan jett john fogerty and lots of other old people plus. I'll be there with tiffany tiffany thiessen for real. Come drink with us so check out what we're drinking. I'm dan dan reminding you. That drinking can cause memory loss or even worse memory loss in what would you do if you lost all of your digital data. That's right everything memories from all the traveling leveling. You've done those less than satisfactory picks and videos of you as a kid well. Maybe there's some benefit to losing those you get what i mean. When a global computer virus chris begins deleting all digital records thirty something ellie buys an old tape recorder begins narrating an analog retrospective of her life before all her photos videos and correspondence are wiped out forever this eight part scripted audio drama stars parks and rec star now lee morales along with paul scheer june diane raphael and serena fabio. We're talking high. Fidelity meets seeking a friend from the end of the world for your ears people. You're are about to hear a clip from elian the wave while you're listening be sure to go subscribe to the show on the himalayas app or wherever you're listening now otherwise click the link in the episode notes check out elian the wave every thursday or if you'd like to get the whole series right now and add free head over to himalayas app to subscribe our top story tonight a computer virus known as the wave is wiping out digital data across the planet once the device. This has been infected by the wave. The virus permanently deletes all photos videos and correspondents for more. We go to tina lee in the field jim. The tension is is palpable out here. People are grappling with the fact that they will soon lose all of their data videos of milestones cherish family photos not to mention the selfish jim the selby's losing who'd porn- regular porn that other kind of food porn where it's people having sex with food videos of animals playing musical instruments videos the plays eating lemons for the first time years long text threads with countless nudes and we can only speculate what kind of a world will soon be living in when we've lost the archives of wicky feet okay i. I think it's recording now. Hello is it recording test. One all right. Well can't hear back till i recorded so i'm gonna go with. Yes hello people in the future who may or may not listen to these tapes greetings. Welcome to my life. I apologize in advance. <hes> i decided to put my life story on tape because of the wave although another thing about it. You may not know what that is because maybe it's. It's just like a historical footnote okay. The wave is a really big deal right now. It's a digital virus that is sweeping the globe and wiping wiping out everyone's data so every photo video email text you name it. It's all going to be toast when the wave. It's got to stay hydrated feel like i'm at the beginning of a marathon except instead of running twenty six miles. I'm sitting in my living room watching old videos of myself on my computer. It's basically the same. I guess i should start with the basics. Since i have not told you my name <hes> hello my name is ellie eleanor leaf but never call me eleanor thank you. I'm thirty eight never married. Thankfully i live in a tastefully decorated condo with my perfect dog potato. I don't know what breed potato is because she's actually a rescue. Thank you so much potato tayo. Speak or still working on that job wise. I am a meme copper. I write witty recaps of the day's most popular memes for the main site agra agra crunch. I should do something more meaningful with my life but the world needs memes. It's like the talking. Turtle says who me that reference. We'll be relevant forever forever anyway. My point is we can all be in the history books. You know of course as soon as the wave hits. All the memes will be wiped out and i'll have to find something else to do. I could either go back to the corporate corporate world or try and live off the land between the two. I'd rather eat bark. You might be wondering how people are reacting to the reality of losing all their store data. It's actually been really affirming. I mean people are coming together and supporting one another in the face of diversity just kidding obviously they're freaking the fuck out <hes> they are losing their minds. Most major cities had riots when it started but at this point people are just hunched over their devices refreshing their screens over and over again to see if their memories are all gone the way i i figure i'll know when the way it hits my neighborhood by neighbors mournful screams when he realizes he just lost all his nudes. My neighbor dave seems like a guy who sends a lot of nudes. There are still a few hugh companies that will print out hard copies of photographs and things they're mostly used basically for rich people print art. The average person doesn't have access to a printer these days but now everyone is stampeding to those printing companies even if you could afford those places the wave is moving so fast. There isn't much hope of getting anything printed before their servers get wiped to iron. Some people are selling wifi approve safes that are supposed to protect your gear from the virus but as soon as you take it out of the safe you're screwed. Everything is so connected at this point. There's no way to avoid it. Some people are even having wave parties where they get together with friends and loved ones and just watch all their schick. It wiped out together. I can't imagine a worse way to spend my time who would want to sit in a room with a group of people at the exact the moment when their lives get ruined. I can't decide what inspires more anxiety the wave or having people over at least when i lose all my data i won't have a bunch of weirdos going through my underwear. Which is what i assume people do when they go to a party at someone's house. I know it's what i do all right. Let's get back to business. Luckily i'm professional recap or so. I know how to cram in content taping taping money baby. Actually i wonder if i still have on yes oh man i just hit gold in terms of embarrassing childhood videos because i have a whole folder of comedy sketches and plays the german i used to make we did hundreds of these. Most of them are unwatchable or in your case in -able like this. One was for dinner doofus done. Let's eat. That's enough of that. I can't believe we we got along well enough to make so many of these disasters who's going to read some of the amazing titles toilet jacuzzi hormone high school baby in the fridge. We were real comedy team. Mine is the comedy. Let's see what other special moments i've got here. Oh this video file is named stober dumpster fire. I have no idea what it is but my interest is beaked. It's down okay. I'm gonna handle it. Handle it but the temperatures let me talk to smarter. Excuse me i <hes> i blocking us in space but we can't leave unless you move but then i might lose his face ben do something she's impervious to logic to path to aggressive eighty. You better move that electric pieces shit you filming this. Did you forget to pick up drew from camp <hes> easily here hi dad oh man. It's all coming back to me. I made that super cut a family drama when i was twelve and shitty through in that last clip because at the time i was giving drew an extremely hard time for going going to magic camp. I understand fascination with the occult. I like spooky shit but going to camp to learn card tricks as a fourteen year old boy. It seems like he was trying to make his friends. Disappear is a beer. You probably know that children of divorced often blame themselves for their parents split even though it's never their fault in this case though my folks got divorced right after drew there and close up magic magic so anyway a lot happened when i was twelve my mother moved out drew got really into sleight of hand that was more scarring for me. Some might argue that it was also the year. I had my first sort of boyfriend. I would now like to read the first tax. My first boyfriend sent to me. I'm not saying this is shakespeare's first folio but it's still deserves deserves to be preserved for future generations. It reads as follows yoga girl. Those tits is crazy. Meet me by the v._m.'s <music>. Surprisingly reshi goldman did not grow up to be an acclaimed poet. I think he sells vape pens. Now i am not sorry to lose these awkward ears to the wave. I'm still a very private person and my tits is still crazy. Finally the amazon drone with my recurring order of toilet paper. I've been holding it in for days. Be right back so much better. Okay oh breaking news. I just got a text alert. The wave has wiped out all the data in cincinnati. The virus has reared its head almost everywhere but once it's in a region it tends to spread out from there like a sinkhole tam. It's moving fast fast. It's impossible to know how much longer we've got here. So let's crank out the hits in radio point and himalayan media present elian the wave starring natalie morales paul scheer june diane raphael jio and me josh ruben catch the show every thursday be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you listen don't feel like waiting head over to the himalayas app now to get the whole first season ad free.

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#123 - The Boys Perform at a Bluegrass Festival!

wellRED podcast

1:10:55 hr | 1 year ago

#123 - The Boys Perform at a Bluegrass Festival!

"Yeah. What is going on everybody? It's your boy that show Corey Ron force. Sure. Well, read comedy dot com. W E. L L, R, E, D, comedy dot com. Spelled just like the podcast that where you can find where we're going to be on our two thousand nineteen tour this coming weekend. We're going to be in Huntsville, Alabama, and Birmingham, Alabama. They were on Asheville North Carolina. Little Rock, Arkansas. Chicago, illinois. Our city Iowa Madison, Wisconsin Grand Rapids. Michigan. Traverse city Michigan Detroit. Michigan Houston, Texas. Austin, Texas, San Diego, California Lexington Kentucky, which is where we recorded our album will read live from Lexington can get that at well, read comedy dot com in our merch store, then San Antonio, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Oklahoma City of Bahama Phoenix, Arizona Charlotte North Carolina. Charleston, South Carolina, Denver, Colorado and our homecoming shows at the greatest comedy club on our designees in Nashville. Tennessee the week before Christmas. 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We had the privilege of doing standup comedy at the legendary tell you ride bluegrass festival, and well, we're here to tell you all about without further will actually, some further before started the podcast, deep and law deepen long, long longtime listeners. This is a deep cut, but I said, Dave listener, some of your date. We have a special guest with us on this episode, but in order to have we had to bring him back from the dead. So let's go here is our telluride podcast scheme. Well. Okay. Guys, Corey dimmed lights. Like these candles real quick. Okay. We got the table set a spread the salt around the table salt around the table and circle. Yeah. Okay, everybody. Join hands. Join hands, please. Okay. All right. We go. Our beloved producer Bryce. We bring you gifts from life unto death commune with us, producer Bryce and move. Among us, our beloved producer Bryce. We bring you gifts from life unto death commune with us, producer Bryce and move among us. You hear that? I think. Why are we are? Versus back from the day. Man to get out of the Ll bean, t shirt, Cecil brought brass by that's my first seance man. I'm I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. I am even to. Tremendous. How's it feel to be alive? Again. It's quite amazing. This whole town now just brings it out in now. Tell you ride Colorado. Yeah. When you think about a lot of Subaru's CBA ruse. Tell us about Subaru brass your fan, right? Zipper is a quality car. You know, I mean you can't beat them. They run smooth around quiet. It's just a good product. This is a good quality. And if you need to start a car for your kid, you know, you get you get a brand new Subaru and then you have a young here in sixteen years. I guarantee you're still gonna have that sober. Yeah. Three hundred miles is just getting started just explained after left us. Mean what's Jesus, like he's. All right. That's my favorite movie. Brothers. Now. That's Michael McDonald. Kaz he sound like a warmer. Wait joan. Jett has Jesus song to get them confused. You get Joan Jett and the Doobie brothers confused. Well, it's not Jones who is it? I don't know calling Jesus on the phone. What if God was one of the seller, I'm talking about that? He's on the phone. I could not be more not Joan Jett. That is. I'll God, dammit, Joan. I it's more John buys than it is, Joan Jett. But it's neither one of them that was like a one hit went well, I wasn't. What are you here for? We didn't bring you back from the dead to not look this shit up. Yeah. What if got what if God was one of those I know it was on the it's one hit wonder. Hit wonders on the Bruce almighty bike, one of us just a stranger on the bus China make his way home. Wrong. Visit. Oh, we don't have good service here and tell you out, Colorado. I can't believe it. Teases Christ Sheila left you under the ground. You were better dead who Joan Osborne, producer. Scotty producers found it was born. Saying, I said, Jim said, Joan Jett. Well, I don't actually get those two songs, confuse you get Joan Jett and Joan Osborne. Confused. I guess I guess it's to John's to John Jones anyways boys, so tell your Colorado's if this is the first time any of us have been here. Correct, fill it. Most people have heard of tell you, I'd probably if you haven't, it's like it's like Aspen type like rich white people ski resort town in the mountains of Colorado, and it's pretty much exactly what you'd expect it to be, which is to say like it. Hit other worldly. Beautiful insane. Just crazy pretty and all that. But also very white like kind of humorously, so every type of white person before any type person has money as their staff. You know, man, I guess. Right. Yeah. Poor, that's that's true. That's true broken. That's her. So we're here. I've been broke. That's there's a huge difference because. Yeah, lack was we're here. Because it's tell you about bluegrass festival, which is one of the most storied and respected bluegrass festivals in the country. This is the forty six year of it. They've been doing this festival for forty six years. And we are the first ever stand up comedy act they have ever booked on the tell your eye bluegrass festival. So give it up for ourselves boys. That's pretty awesome. It's pretty awesome. Now it will it will stop being awesome. If we don't get asked back next year and be there's just no comedians. Never do. We'll be okay. There's part of it. Be them being like I'm glad we saw sure so on that note, I'll just pretty totally up front here when, when it first came about, I was like I was like y'all to you guys, I was like I get that it's coal. I get to tell you odds cool place. I get it too. I, I know about the festival. I know it's a big deal. I was like, but like they don't do comedy there, I was like, not only do they not do comedy. It's also going to be on a stage outdoors in broad daylight, like. No one's going to beat. No one is going to be there to see comedy because they never have even had comedy before I was like I just don't I don't know that this is a good idea. Guys were basically. Like, look, we hear you and your, it'll be very RAD. So let's just do it anyway. And that, so that's kind of how felt there's also another thing to add to that which was, and this is a huge thing, the day that we were performing was already well and sold out before we were added to the lineup and announce so we actually had pretty much no chance. Well, we'll have cable come in. They're already there and now they're getting comedy. So and you guys were like, yeah, you're right. But it'll be a great honor. It'll be a great time, and it's such an honor, whatever. So we should do it. And so we okay well, we'll do it. So then we get here, we're here. And like the day before are set and everything over there, watching it all these bands up their crushing. And it's, it's just this great atmosphere and we boy, Utah, we are going to be let down. So we get up, you talk about a lull in the Lanta. Yeah, take shit four. Sam bug. We were just like I did, we were just like this is not going to so but then also on top of that, though, in addition to that, when we first got we I walked in, and there was a guy standing at the gate, recognize me. He's one of the guys that runs the thing but not the main guy just one of those at runs it was like, hey trae. Glad you hear my, my name's Eric. Yeah, we're excited to have you really interested to see how this all goes, though. Yeah, too. Then they're only two people that did that there were three people, and they were all the other one was a journalist, who's been here for forty years, who interview made for the fastest Agats here every single year. Hey, came up and he didn't say just that he was like great. Glad you're here. He's like, you know management they've been freaking out about your guys is said, they're like, we don't know this is gonna work. And I keep telling them trays been there before, you know, like no. Behind them comedian has the whole thing. I didn't say that. But he was just like he was like trying knows what he's doing. It'll be fine. That's what I was telling him. But yeah, they're real worried. You know. You know, it's like laughing it off because we were in a great head space, and then got the guy that runs like runs it, Craig, he called me yesterday to ask about music, but he was also. Yes, is Craig, I'm the guy that asked you here. So I'm the lunatic. Just multiple people can't echoing then there, we don't know how this is going to work, and there were four with the other one, I had ever experienced I walked up to a single person who was like, oh, it's going to be great. They're gonna love Craig's. Greg's college roommate was sad stage and that's has he told me that he was he thought I was somebody else you came up to Connor. No. But I mean everybody hear me and Andy have seen ourselves. See so many us. And so many Andy's. Yeah. She told me to joke about losing her finding fall in the wrong button. I forgot to but. He was talking to me, and I was telling him how nervous we were. And he was like, dude, this crowd is nicest crowd. You'll ever ever have. They're just so supportive. And like four other people said something similar to me, including Sam Bush, rat before are set, and then his wife came in to meet us Lynn who's a sweetheart but she goes, well, we'll see how this goes, right? And, and I hadn't had the conversations you've had. So I said to her will thank you for being honest. Because you're the first person who said that the fifth person that had said version of that, to me and also before we went on, we were back in the green room. And you said you were like like, look. Here's what I think, I think, because it's outdoors and it's spread out in this whatever I think, even if we're doing good, we won't be able to tell from the stage because we won't even be able to hear them. And I was like I was like, I think you're exactly right. I think the exact same thing. I was like, we could be doing fine, and we won't even be able to tell because you won't be able to hear them laughing because it's this big failed and whatever. And so, like, that's where our heads were at, then we went up there, though, and it was fucking off year. You could hear them. They were laughing they were clapping. They were wooing. We were right after what they call the dinner break, they had the winner of the trip was a good spot. Yes. A really good spot. Actually, I mean, we basically open for Sam Bush king of this festival can all the two spots before us everyday have sort of been considered the dinner spots. They had someone who wanna troubadour contest singer-songwriter contest play a fifteen minute set. There was almost no one there for that because everyone's ate dinner, and it started raining, and then no Pelinka nickel Negra pickle name out after that, and I wanna say the mandolin player for the punch brothers. Yes. And banjo. Thank you. Staley's. Right. Mandolin player green sky, and the punch brothers. No, he just came out. No. He was in nickel creek. I know that the punch voters now he came out and played with green Scott. Green sky was his new band. Hey, just hits that hard that he does it. So hard hits insanely hard. Anyway, he's great. But when he didn't get a big audience coming back because of the rain in the dinner hour, I was like, and of course, part of that was he's playing with another band tomorrow. So a lot of people who like him. Well, I'm gonna see him anyway. I'll have my dinner, I was like nervous what's gonna stay empty, but apartment is like that's fine. It's fine of it's kind of empty. We didn't have even a six of the crowd Sam Bush had. But we did have some people who are trickling in, like, I think you had way more people than Corey just because they were to show went up. I was I left or. Walked through yet to walk through the crowd to get backstage. And I walked through an hour before we went on and not told you it was a ghost town. There was nobody there and I didn't see the crowd again until I walked out there. And so I was fucking very pleasantly surprised at the amount of people that were there when I walked out, and then they listened and the sound was perfect in terms of we turned the monitor off, which, I mean, you know, I'm sure people don't care about that. But as a comic, we hate monitors, we don't wanna hear ourselves. It's weird throws commoners the speaker on the stage. That's pointed back at the stage and musicians need it because they need to be able to hear into them sales and whatnot. But comedians it just sounds like an echo of your sales. So back at your face, and it can fuck you and other parts of the monitor, which is super cool, because I've seen it in action is that they sound guy can talk to the band without the audience hearing him. You know what I'm saying like they can be like Turner should is that good Sam. Absolutely nobody fucking knows. But, like can you imagine doing your set and fucking? A club owner just high high man. Can you know what I'm saying that? I'm glad I can't do that damn it. They would. Well, they did that obviously, that's kind of a simple fix but whether or not, they can hear you in assists in a situation like what we had yesterday. And it not be so loud that it's like I don't know off putting with what I'm saying is, we sounded very clear to the auditors and it wasn't a it was easy. It was it was the easiest outdoor spot. I've ever done. I'll probably only done have Soleil. But most they were all Trojan. Yeah. Up nine eight and they've all been like I literally hated every single one of them do that. Every comedian knows doing how many outdoors especially is just a death sentence for the most part outdoors during the day, you know, for for we're going on. He was like he was like, okay, this is about to be like that Earth Day thing we did a Knoxville because I remember that still bring it up to people. Sometimes they ask about hail gigs, or whatever, I'll bet. One time me and drew did an Earth Day festival in Knoxville. And it was world's fair. Parks, it's this big auditorium that sage probably eight hundred. Or something? And there was probably one hundred and fifty people there. But they weren't they weren't all at the front, they were spread out who was in the front kidron drains children's ribbon. Dan, rigging dancing Kansas stage in the middle like known known known in this sparsely populated amphitheater and world's fair park in Knoxville. And it was a not Meyer, not married, and we did a sketch, which you don't remember, Andy's here, which is glad she just walked in Andy was trae in that sketch with us at world's fair park that we did who played who was was it Waylon? Was it Rick God? Please. Tell me Rick was in a fucking sketch at world day. It was arth day. It was Kevin. Oh, it was. It was with us. Well, that checks out, we're gonna see him soon at a we're going to ask you can't wait dates coming up. You guys get tickets. Well, read comedy dot com anyway, we had the skit it's still great fucking idea. I still stand by when the first ideas for sketch ever had in the idea was a guy just randomly breaks off. Into a fifties movie monologue. Like he just speaks real dramatically Bessie. We gotta get outta this town. See me, and you we're gonna take this trade to our dreams. That's where we're going. But like everyone else around him was like, why is he talking like that? And then the hook is a girl gets really into it and starts talking back to them. We're doing that outdoors pretty hot concept, very absurd. And I make a prediction didn't play did not play. Them ribbon. Dancing children's were like, why is he talking like a chicken duck man chicken duck, man? That's larry. But so Gerusa that for vote right before we went out, and I was like, yeah, you're right. It is about to be that right before we went on. I said, hey try this goes one gig. We had, but we've been saying that the whole time. Time was probably the best attitude to go into great news. We had such low expectations and then ended up hitting like it. Did we were riding high afterwards like so we get done? Corey do I this is exactly what happened. But Corrie, like, put it into words right afterwards. He's like I cannot believe we just hugged Sam Bush in the stairwell after are set relax highlights. Kreil go, you know, go get him and he hoped his back. Yeah. We've darks Bentley backstage. He was awesome, a locked up and starting to say, hey, I'm trying to. Yeah. I know you're hilarious. You guys ignored my texts. But the reason I sent it was very specific text that. I could be interested. Yes, we did it, nor did ignore the reason. I say that is he has Tom Cruise vibes that motherfucker could do anything dark, mainly, like he's gorgeous. And he's like smooth like your ass in a rice. I'm a rice, darks, Bentley tonight. Textually set this up. That's it up bucking, let's get dude. If we I mean do darks, Bentley ain't going to embarrass hisself like that, right? But not the dying to smoke you. That's what I'm saying. It will another thing about another reason he put me in the he's shorter than expected, and like people who are real good looking famous that happens. Right. You know where you damn I thought your five or six foot nine or whatever, you know, I'm now the real good looking or particularly famous. And I get told all the time that actually the opposite a lot bigger. A lot bigger. Always like way taller because you held your phone on fortran. Right. That's not necessarily terrible, especially because with your head, if you did it the other way, you'd look real. Big headed. Yeah. Oliver Pyatt like I've been signing bribes producer, Brian five times in the meet and greet line someone always a man has been, like, man, you're I thought your way taller and I take that as a compliment, like I'm up on stage just screaming. Yeah. And then they come in. And I'm five nine and three quarters don't have any energy producer Bryce this weekend and run up to different times. First time is like we just I just got here he'd been backs. I went back. I just hanging out drinking and whatever. And Brash's like is that is that there's Bentley over there? And I looked and I was like that guy. Looks exactly like Bentley. And he was like, I think that was like, no, it I ain't dark, Bentley we'd know he was here. He just looks just like an Brask him in the next morning. Like dude, I saw that same. Again, I'm telling you. I think that's darts Bentley. And I was like, no, it's not Bryce wait. No. Band is like, where's WALDO back from the dead for two hours alley this? Thanks, everybody's famous while I walked back stage right after my set, or just like, hey, this is darks Bentley, and I was like, well God damn, yeah. He's a super also. I don't think you were there for this. We apparently had a pretty long considering how young he is conversation with his son. He had a skateboard and he's got a mullet red skateboard do talking to, you know, being nice to a kid, this starts Bailey's kids saw the end of that. And yet it was his kid, but like he I was saying last night, like, and this is true. It's not sound like bullshit to people because like they met the guy and they lack him or whatever. But this is genuinely cherry lack Bentley was I pop is a popular country artists. I've sincerely always thought that he was, you know, one of the good ones time ever. I've always one of his first hits coverage org. James, he's always. Came out. I was always like pays legit. No better way to solidify that theory than to find out that you hit for him. Undo. Tori. I agree with you, and that did hit but found out that you hit for him at a bluegrass festival, where he's he, he clears this weekend. He makes no money. I mean, he even told us he feels like insecure going on stage with Sam bushy play say Bush. Well, he said, for people that don't know Dirk Bentley also made a straight bluegrass album, which is my favorite thing. He ever did. Right. It's awesome. And we were talking to him about that. And he was like, yeah. Man. Here's the thing about that album was he was like I was far and away, the least talented dude on that album, the whole time. He was like the guys I had recording it with me, and everything was like, he was like, I was worse guy in the room for every recording. You know, but he was. But then he was like, but, you know, that's how you make something great surround yourself with people that are banned. Isn't that kind of like? How Nashville works though on regular Nashville records, not the Barrett's Dirks Bentley or anyone who makes an album there. But the studio musicians in Garth Brooks is other worldly, but his band is known to write the best band in Nashville. Yes, that's true. But I guess the difference would be he was grass Dirks is doing with they are session music, their session musician, talented. But they also have names, right? You're what I'm saying sure they're session musicians, that hit so hard that you like because I only I guess that's not always the rule to, like, Jason as will is select probably the best guitars in his band. Here's sadler. Here's some of the people that were on that album with him del McCurry, and his band, Alison Krauss, Chris tally and Miranda, Lambert, just to name, a couple of all on that album with ten, y'all know y'all people listening that album is the she'll battled he rattled all that off last night. And I told him and I said, well, you know, I'm being sincere here. But when you just named all those people calling yourself, the least talented person on that roster is not an insult right by any stretch, and like I mean, yeah, he's probably. Right. But like that don't mean shit speaking Morand Lambert. I think there's like a class, Brannagh Lambert Dirks so Mckee Thurber air church until he made that one song, homeboy, and Brad pays, Brad paisley. It's like for me. Those are the Asheville staple pop country, but I live. Mist of what I like most of what they did. I agree with you, and they all also were part of like the last general dish before crop. They were that they were all the heating class. Nothing. I told Dirksen, I'm minute. He was the first country player to do bonnaroo. He did it right. After that bluegrass album. He brought Bush, Sam Bush, and people like that with him, and he jammed out, you've, we shouldn't owned by the and I truly feel like country stayed at bonnaroo because of how well he did that. Yeah. Because I remember I mean, I remember even me being the fuck and then I looked at the time I don't go check it. And it was read. It was fucking rat. And in who've seen Dwight yoakam their sense. The grand ole Opry is there now. Every year startles played it. What we have in common with darts. We just break down barriers festival. And, you know, we're we, we also have piercing blue eyes. I think all of us he was good goddamn look. It was it was off. Putting. Yeah, he's real good. Like I backed up away, we would like I knew it was, but I'm used to lose lose. We will lose where you Blatty was short. I didn't even notice because he because he's so big other Bentley. And yeah, when I saw like I'm used to see him. Yeah. Like standing next to Keith urban Nicole Kidman. And then when I saw him standing next to Trey. This folks. What about, you know, who else that was being them? Ryan, Ryan Bingham's hug people. Listen out there. Clean it up to say on or something. And I just heard her say he's so sexy about dark surrounding Mandy is both is both around Bingham friend of the podcast. Sure. Darcus is very sexy. They're both sexy sexy is subjective. When it comes to those two, I'm objectively, not sexy. So they are objectively sexy who is sexier is a subjective. Yes. So I don't know if this is the rat place to plug a center not, but I'm just gonna go ahead and do it nothing chewed. I. We did. We did great had this awesome experience. Whatever later on tonight after we're done and everything else. I'm rod with Corey on it. So there's telluride. Right. And then up the mountain. There's this other town mountain village. And there's a gondola closed chairlifts situation that takes you between the two this free Cory and staying at mountain village. And I'm staying down here. So many core down here, ten things. We're also staying in the same tells Brandon Carlisle. So actually, according to the gondola is a subway for people who had never ate it subway describe it. So we go we go to yells hotel, and I'm with its main Corey miss the best threesomes of the night, we out about that. Same so glee. Glee war. So can we come and so fucking cold? We'll come back to that. Okay. Right. But so we'd left and many core Radan up to y'all's hotel in the gondola. And this other this like middle aged white couple got in with us, and has gone up the mountain. They were like where you guys from ten say, okay, co where are you guys here for the festival? Yeah. Who'd you guys see today? Who do you enjoy today and Corey goes, well you know, Sam Bush, obviously phenomenal. Yonder mountains. Great. Comedians fucking, but Correy says that and they go they go. Yeah. We skip them we're kind of laugh ourselves in my head. I was like checks out, but also is like you know, they just. Would not stand up. Eight days a bluegrass festival. They weren't here for stand up so they didn't fuck with it. And that's fine. It's funny, but that's fine. It's all it is. And I thought it's over. Right. It was not. So there's like we skip them. It's quiet for about ten seconds, maybe. And then the guy goes. Yeah. We figured after what we saw on the internet. Wade saying all we need to see that guy. So apply. I'm not mad at you. But I need to know is that how he talks was. Oh, boy, he was from our house, western. No. He didn't have just that's the one you put on. But he was like, it's, so it's like, you know, all those guys are some version of our dads are disappointed in. That's why we do. Monocle every started it stars. We skipped it 'cause we don't really stand up and whatever. But then but then it's back now just to be clear here, way know who he is. We would have gone had it be not like he does not learned enough about him to know. We hate him, but not enough to recognize him. When he's fate for our three feet. It was right. Was dark and he was old. Yeah, but you still sound like people as I've gone on record do not hit. By the way, I saw some, and this might be a good premise for joke. I saw this in an article this is an interesting theory. The reason I'll open most people are conservative is because all the liberal ones. Yeah. No rich people tend to get more and more conservative, as they age. And that's also who can stay alive. So obviously not all people conservative. But it skews really really it's like a percent. And my thought was this. Society gets more and more liberal as it progresses. And it leaves the liberals behind the cliche that I heard that the guy that ran the business school that I went to Tennessee tech, he was the first person. I've heard say it, but it's like if you said, you're not you're not a liberal that twenty then you don't have a heart and if you're not a conservative at fifty then you don't have a brain. Well. Get a scrap to Winston Churchill and he. So what about this? What about this theory is that there's kind of a Bill kind of based on a Bill Burr bit is that some of these conservative old people in their day were liberal. They haven't changed. Yeah. That's what I was just saying. Dawn. Okay. But this new theory is intriguing the idea that who makes it into their seventies who makes it into their eighties. Obviously some people have good, some people get lucky. But if we're talking huge numbers, not like individual anecdotes, about poor hold off right bike. Ninety nine gram everyone from her demographic, how many of them survived versus people who got money. It is absolutely true that the richer, you get you tend to get more conservative. And honestly, makes sense from a logical standpoint. So the argument is article was essentially and survive and poor ones don't and that's why people hate trae Crowder, right? Yeah. Well, another thing he say that same guy. So then the subject, you know, he said that, you know, where y'all from, we're from Ohio, central Ohio, and I said, just trying to keep the subject changed from how much I don't hit. Oh, a thing that hits less than you is central. So. I was like, is that near Portsmouth, because producer Brian, I worked for the department of energy, and there's an off. There's a site in Portsmouth, Ohio, that they send you to every now and then just to show you how much they hate you, and how much the job sucks. And so I've been there, and it is I was like, is that near Portsmouth Ohio, and they're like, it's a couple hours south of us or whatever. Why does I my job? I sent me there a couple of times, and then he was like, yeah. Yeah I don't know what's going on in Portsmouth nowadays. Probably bunch of welfare. Would imagine. Like being out in the world science shit. Intel, Colorado, Nasi rounded by the rich white people because that him sheeting on welfare recipients is funny. It's not. But the audacity, plus what had just happened before I am so glad that it was dark, so they couldn't see the smile ear to ear that I, I was having to hold my stomach to not fucking cackle, like a goddamn hind laughing, because try sitting there with his fucking hoodie up, just please recognize me right now. God, damn it I wish to go. I don't know what I would have done. But something, but I was pretty high. So maybe nothing I'm just laugh with that. Oh for I was there. Exactly back. All right. So you also did happen. We were also very we got to exactly what happened. Sam Bush was playing. I thought he went on eight years, actually eight fifteen right? But so we got done at seven fifteen I thought saying on at eight fifteen whatever close enough. Everybody's been playing an hour and a half. I gave us forty five good on them, you know, hour and a half, I thought Sam got done at nine thirty and y'all lift your shit in our green room backstage, and all this stuff. It's like nine twenty two and I told. Tau Corey I was like, dude. I've got a piss so bad man, I was like I can't wait. I gotta pay too. And I was like, well he's about done. He's going to be finished in a minute. I was like, what we could do is go back to our green room, take a pissed down there. And by the time we get done, he'll be about finished. So when I come off, we could say, hey everybody, and then we'll head out of here. So that was the plan. So we went back there to the green room pissed, but weren't there three minutes before this girl, like a stage manager assistant so much work in the festival comes back there and goes, hey guys, I'm really sorry. But I kick you out. And like, we, we had been told or Tom was up. We have been told there was a window of time that we had addressing room for because, you know, there's other shitload other whatever we knew that. So it's not like we weren't super pissed or nothing. But she was like I got kick you out. I'm sorry. She was very nice about it, and we're like, okay that's fine. Don't worry about it. So then we left and we're still like we were also freezing cold and very, very just violently. And as I've said, I can be one or the other, if I'm super cold and I'm not high, I can focus on. I'm gonna stay warm if I'm super high, and I feel good, whatever. But if I'm an fucking cold, I can't concentrate on either one of enough and I gotta get the fuck. This point nine twenty eight nine twenty nine and I was like I was like, okay, well he's about to be done here in a minute. And also thought all of this, our whole group was planning on leaving after his set was over. So I was like he's about to be done. Let's just have back hit the food bows. And then. We'll meet up with everybody here in a minute. And boy, did I ever hit the food, but it was over or was about to be over and we left, but it wasn't at all over. He played for another half an hour after that, which we didn't even know we ended up missing the whole thing. But it was genuinely us just being stat and fat down. Don't hit and cold. And so it was a genuine mistake are trapped in a New York City bedroom apartment. And we saw two hours of it was it was awesome. We saw the majority of it. Boy, that's a tale all time, isn't it? You wanna make it too, and a half hours. But only got two hours in you. You're just failing old. You're feeling run. You're just like I can't do it. Like I used to do it. Well, that's because you don't have blue guys. Let's talk about sex good sex. 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If you're twenty three but she was five. Yeah. Yeah. Hype pipe lock that I know what you're doing. But anyway, she was too cool for everything. But it was funny to me. Brass's crack me up then they started playing the cripple creek madly, and it was RAD like this, probably the most fun that I enjoyed that more than anything Abouna Roo. Yeah. This is my favorite music thing. I've seen in a year. I mean, the two hours of Sam Bush. I saw was the best thing I've seen here this weekend. Crushing. I thought he came out to Geico. That's the thing. That's what I want to express about how good Sam Bush's because every single band that we have seen has been amazing. There's not been a bad performance. I'm talking top tier amazing. But when Sam Bush hit the first lick, and when he hit the I know and when he like it was immediately like holy shit. This is about to be the fucking best one, I've seen, and it fucking was like a media, and that's not to disparage anyone who's been up because everyone's. Right. But here's a note from producer Scotty. I'll get two minutes. Good. No. By the way, thank you producer, Scott. So it Sunday. It's last night of the festival in the lineup tonight to close it out is in my opinion. Just a murderer's row. Its punch brothers Casey muss, grace, brandy Carlisle in that order. And it's gonna be fucking Riad. And so we were talking to the guy that runs the festival yesterday. Backstage about tonight. He was like you guys can be here tomorrow where yeah. He's great man. We got a great line. We're yeah. We know we're looking forward to he started talking about Casey must grades Jerry tells him is like, yeah. Trey fucking warships. Are she's like he Atalaya or whatever. And I was like, yeah, she's amazing. And he's so he starts talking about Casey. And he's like, yeah. Introduce you to your round. Tell katie. Yeah. Actually, maybe I should say that part fire so. I watch. I'll what people know there's this thing about, you know, you whatever you've got, like a celebrity friends, a celebrity hall pass thing. Katie's Robert Downey junior. Mine is Casey muss graves. They've been that for a minute before it got to appoint like I could feasibly make Casey Musk's right? Which like changes the it doesn't, but it does Qleyle, quote, April that I know regular do. But anyway, like so with that context earlier in the year when we first book, this main Katie were trying to plan our annual two-week summertime Tennessee trip. And I was like, what we could do is go in late June. And in the middle of that we could leave the boys at your mom's house, and you could come to Colorado with me to this bluegrass festival. She's like, what is it? And I was like, it's this very famous bluegrass festival until you're out, Colorado. And she was just like no no, not at all. No, thank you. Any also was the other option was we lead the boys at your mom's house, and you come to New York with me, and she'd never been to New York. She was like, I'd rather go to New York to Colorado. Okay. That's fine. So we did that she goes to New York. And then I'm not saying trip when we're in Tennessee, somehow this weekend gets brought up and I was like going to Colorado. She's like, listen to what that again. So I got that bluegrass festival yada at whatever, and then somehow gets that Casey muskrat was one of the headline hunters of it. This is so. Niculae. But as soon as kind of, here's that she's like, what it's like. Well, I'm going then and I was I was like, no you're not. We may not give your ticket to producer brass. We're going to resurrect him. Like in light. It was like half joking or whatever. But it's you know, she always, like she'll say may pictures of Casey, musk, sometimes the red carpet, and she'll be like, your girlfriend shit tonight this tacky. Dude. It's absurd. It's she's not even in my top four and Andy's loves music like that and swears up and down she's overrated. And I know that the reason why she can hear me right now is that she's beautiful. So. Screaming. Come in speakers paying back there screaming. You don't like her what I don't like her. I just think her music is overrated, everybody else. I think there's a lot of better musicians are gone through. So anyway, we're backstage. Talking to that. The heart. Please hurt him Knipling time. And I didn't do you even kick him. How is that? How you glasses? I've ever heard side note and he's been walking around backstage this festival. Just blood naked things in her power slack. Although the free shit, it's back there like snacks and drink all does was and low just the most watched trash it back. It is good shake this just anywhere. And like you're supposed to take it, but not all of this. Yeah. So anyway, we're talking the guy that runs it. I'm telling him how much love Casey whatever and he's like, yeah. Introduce you. And then he goes, he's like, hey, you like this, you know, the like, you know, the one like outstanding thing and her rider that she has like the one like demand or whatever those of you that do not hit a rider is this thing that you get to put on stuff that you want your grain. Right. I'm like, it's the famous green Eminem's thing yada, yada. You say it. He was like he was like, you know, kinda like Brown Eminem's type thing. And I was like I have no idea what is it? He goes, a puppy and I was like, what a like a live puppy. And he was like, yeah, a puppy. And I was like, does it matter what breed like now, she specify what we got an ASO golden retriever, though. She's going to have a puppy in her green room before the show or whatever, just to just to hang. Happy, which we now know she's not your soul mate. Last night. Maybe like a whole lot more. Fucking rat as a human being. You've shown a lot of growth by saying that, but as a podcast, caricature, keep Hytner, dad, you know. Yeah. You know. She said, I had to all of you. Well, here's so that's the that's that was the note from Scotty was to bring that which is good idea is that is another thing that didn't happen. But it almost did. And I was so looking for. So we were getting a ride to backstage from the mountain lodge, and woman is going to was like, hey, someone just called. And they wanna ride, and I'm gonna try to wait on him. Do you guys mine waiting for brandy Carlisle, and you wanna talk about hits motherfucker, by the way, Indy would not just abandon me for brandy Carlisle. She would she would abandoned her own claim sexuality Carlisle. She stands for Brennan. Yes. She would abandon her family. She would probably bring Carlisle told her to become Republicans, you'd probably do that. So Andy's frigging, if she had an brandy Carlisle, hat, while we're waiting on brandy Carlisle. I had just farted like in a in a passenger van like a hot air conditioned like an I know loyal listeners. You've heard us talk about how insane his but is y'all don't off, but also listeners should know. I was in the van. So he was never gonna get blamed for that God damn far anyway. I was so happy because I'm bet to meet Brandi Carlile. And he's about to run away with her. You know, which material out of that. And she gets. Yeah. Unfortunately, well, yeah, I think it was a situation where she was like I didn't know the RAB was gonna be this. I don't know. She how much Andy loves her. The first time I ever saw brandy. I've never heard anything of hers, and I was just watching the like continuous bonnaroo livestream from like three Bonner's ago on XBox. And she was just up next and I was digging the fuck out of it. But one of the first things I thought was this is Andy shit right here. House like Andy, if she don't already know she will love this check. I was the first thing that went through my head, but I mean I love her too. She's awesome. Like I do way better than Casey musically. And we saw at bonnaroo I didn't see the whole thing because I knew I was going to see your here and at the time, I think, was coming down off something and I needed to go get some food, but it was rat tenure Tucker came out with her at bonnaroo. She brought ten she's producing her record. Apparently and dark said he's gonna play with her to not. So that's going to be RAD say that. Yeah. Well, we'll reply Cass fans. We're, we're close. We could do. One more topic. I wanna say I realize, sometimes we just get on here and we're just like hey, here's what we did yesterday. Hope it hits for you guys. I hope you're enjoying here in these exploits because I you know, I ain't bragging, but I was quote Kanye west which, I don't usually do on the gondola the other day. My are my life's dote, and I do dope shit. It's been it's been a great weekend. It's been one of my favorite weekends. And as. As I said, I sit on Instagram live when me and you were doing our little split screen foolishness yesterday, but fucked up. But here's very that's a real thing for sure. Quick. So I've been doing stand up now for fifteen years. I've only been marginally successful for the past three and a half or whatever. And in the past three and a half years, we've got to do, obviously got to do some stuff that I've never been able to do before. Otherwise, like, you know, playing theaters playing these festivals yada, yada, yada. But it got to the point where it's like I in fifteen years, I've done, you know, I'm not gonna feel a different thing when I do show like as far as shows ago, you know, get a TV show there could be different things like just as far as performing onstage. I've done it all, and it's going to be a good show or by show. I'll never feel different. That's the most different I've ever, I walked off stage, and I was so happy because I feel different than I've ever felt I just got to do stand up staring at the face of God, which is the rocky mountains and hugged Sam Bush afterwards. It's like it's like cool. I don't know that something cooler could happen in stand up. You know, not that, you know, like sure other cool things in entertainment could happen. But as far as a set. And then welcome back to the green room. There's no fucking way that could be cool. It's a problem man. I did bonnaroo which is not the same as no comedy ten it's like different Bhandari less weekend. We gotta do this, this weekend like other than a sit on TV. I don't want anything else. I want this to continue. Absolutely. Now, again, like, you know, the next time it won't be as cool 'cause you'll be like, yeah, of course they were set. Look at the mountains, and hug Sam Bush. It's true, but for a different experience. It was it was quite remarkable. And I will cherish it forever. And also, my mom texted dad, a picture, man, Sam Bush and mom mom texted me back on a separate thread. Hey, don't tell you that I'm telling you this, but he's crying right now because my dad's not that guy, but he's a huge like you know, my dad was in a bluegrass ban for like twenty years, and he stopped because they weren't they weren't making a lot of money. So once he had the two kids. He's just a huge new Volvo. Fran San Bush fans like I kind of got to live out, one of his fucking dreams, which is play Intel you rod, but I came at it from a. Very different approach, but it was cool. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. We can't top last. The San Juan mountains, San Juan mountains doesn't. Well, they're rocky. You're enough. We wait any, this is something that I've heard various ways in, let's clarify this to say I think there's different mountain ranges inside. What is known as the Rockies I think, but I will be wrong. I mean, it's that way with every mountaineer, dry are the same way, it's like, there's like the Blue Ridge and the whatever, you know, at around smokey smokey. They're all Appalachians got he's over there fucking skies over Scotties over there. Looking at may go, and like my bad, dude. But like it's rare that you might be right. Just more at your that's the more specific. But it's also possible, though, that some of those mountain ranges are a part of the Rockies because there are east coast, mountain ranges that are not a part of that. Well, I'm certain that. I was just wrong because I'm often wrong until you're Colorado. You looked around us. Now say I'll say this. I'll say this one's gonna I'll say this for Scotty. One of my best friends on the way in there's this peak. That is the peak that's on the cores latte can. And they're you know, motto is tap the rocket. There's no way a corporation has laid off Coors would never. Okay. So what are you're talking about that yesterday? We me and Scotty, rat, this Donner a couple couple of days ago when we were coming in to tell you out and I got they were like all the beers. They had and they're like, we have Coors banquet beer and you don't see that a law and I always want on tap. Yeah. They had it in the can, but still, you don't see it a lot, and I always have to get one. And so they've redone the can and on the side of the Ken, I'm certain. It's been there before, but it says founded by Adolph Coors. Now, I'm very aware that you can have the name Adolf, right. And not be Adolf Hitler but. I'm aware of that. I've learned that, but listen, but I went to school here. Here. Hear me out. Some work. I read no. Okay. You know, but listen to me, if you hear the name Adolf. Yeah. You no matter even if when I'm reading on the side can on. No, they're not Adolf Hitler. But the first thing I think, of Adolf Hitler and I just don't think that's as a company, you would won't people thinking about Hitler, every time you drank God damn beer. If you're Kentucky basketball fan, there's I'd rub. I mean, hell that's the name of their rain. And that's one of the biggest you know what places for college basketball in the world. Just roll with the exception to that rule because you're completely right about every time I've ever seen off, except Adolf up, and I think it's because I heard that name before ever heard of Hitler, really. But in the same context, we hate this guy. What a piece of shifts. Go balls. But yeah, I mean you knew that, right? Adolf? But they're rain is okay, but okay seal, I'm still not wrong. Like, when you say, Adolf, don't you can't just change it do that? But they don't have to put it on their fucking can is what I'm saying for just from a marketing standpoint talking about basketball, and you're talking about a cane, but. But. Okay. Legendary coach, you know, that's, that's different. That's what different is this is the guy that founded. Budweiser doesn't have their founder on their Kane. I'm saying it's just unnecessary. Don't change it on the Wikipedia. I'm saying just don't know. Fucking Michael boat, and then off. Off. Okay. She don't okay? His counter theory, Manal rut, Nazism's make a comeback Gloser, maybe calling for the. Bank bear ain't doing too good. Eight all sit your mom's basement and call. I'll women whores by quit beer. There you go at oh boy. And he was probably the biggest racist and headed everybody works person ever lived, also except for the other off. But, like second worst Adolf of all time. We're saying, right. But like, and that's the best you can hope for. But like if he did that he's found or whatever, like I just, I personally feel like you shouldn't have to. I'm not saying don't that was the guy. I don't think. Saying it's done saying, no, I'm not saying racer history taken off the website. I'm saying you don't have to put it on. It's the only ever seen that had the founder of the company owned the can. I'm not saying race history. I'm saying why have you say founded by Paul Coors? Players like, yeah I'm not saying raise your history. I'm hitler. I'm non know that I'm literally coming at it from a marketing standpoint. If I go when I see Adolph Coors back a lot. But I don't. Well, all right. Smart ass, make a PR arguments to why that's a good idea. I don't know assume that they've included him in part of their thing. Like pretty much since I've started in some companies are traditionalist like that, and just don't much like the Nazis. Just three traditional worker party. Don't think you should race it from history. I'm literally saying from a marketing standpoint I wouldn't put the word aid off on anything. That's all I'm not saying go back and pretend that this guy didn't exist and changes. Fucking name just said a minute ago. You've never felt that way about Kentucky basketball, and it's the exact same because it's called rope arena. I've forgotten his name was Adolf. It's called Rupp arena. It's not Adolf arena, and I do think that's on purpose. Of course. It's own. Of course it's on purpose. And, and, and anybody knows anything about them on. That's not Molly knows his name. I, I hate them. But like it is robbery. No, but you know that's the guy's name, right? But all the word off. Ona thing always say here is when you go to change your can because it's new and you're like we let's change it up. And someone goes, let's put the founder's name on there, someone should have said I'd off. Maybe we shouldn't and his question is why did they land on at fuck it? Because like what do it? You know that I know that I know that I agree with you morally, you're correct. I'm saying from a PR standpoint, I wouldn't put the word eight off on anything even if it wasn't Adolf Hitler because as soon as you see Adolf Hitler, that's not what I want you to anytime. You're having my product. I think I misunderstood you. Did you say I wouldn't put the word Adolf? Own anything even if it was Adolf Hitler, if I did I didn't mean to say. That's this new Hitler documentary. But let's call it right. That's not what I'm saying. I wouldn't put the word. I know I wouldn't put the word Adolf on anything. Even if it was not about, you know what I'm saying? Like if I know that it's not fucking Adolf Hitler. We all know that. But just reading the word Adolf, I'm another name off. And now I'm thinking about the goddamn concentration camps drinking fucking beer. That's God damn Downer. Yeah. It was really actually that was a huge. Dan, don't know this, but I'm just assuming that Dave had that on there and some variation for forever for long there. I've never noticed today there. And again, it clearly isn't really hurting them on. Well, it is new, by the way, so they might take it off as a very new can are you, saying they just now brand new beer? Brand new beer have put adolph's name on. No. Here's what here's here's here's what I here's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I drink banquet beer, whenever I can. And this particular time I was drinking. And I noticed the word Adolf own it and up until this point, I've never noticed the word I'd phone it wasn't there. Okay. That's part of their new camp thing now it might be a new hangar Serie thing, it might be thing. And you want to celebrate your and your founders off. That's what are you supposed to do? Just not just change his name. No. There. But I'm saying if you're if you're if you're specifically, celebrating your founding as a company or whatever, and you want to honor your founder and his nineteen eighty. Yeah. Just got to not do that, probably really by the way, I'm here. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do. Here's what you're saying. What you're saying. You don't want to honor your come on. These are like the dude, the people who are related to him, still have some kind of role there, but it's owned by inbev courses owned by inbev. It's one of the biggest true companies do that shit of what they want is to sell beer. And what Cory is saying, is, he's asking is this really the best way to sell beer. I'm coming from a PR standpoint not a moral standpoint. I don't think I can't believe triggered me about put night off. Of course, you should be able to believe it's not Hitler. Yeah. Mike. What bear, I would just imagine how could they have not had the conversation I would have made did in the name Adolf? They had to at least had the conversation. I'm saying if they like you know what fuck them is. Name was. I know that put it on. I know that. That's fine with my here. Really, it's fine with me. I'm I'm not a PR guy. I'm saying I can't believe they did it. I don't give a fuck. I've just saying. When I saw it off a Hitler. I think about Hitler all the time, nothing. You know what I'm saying? That was fine. Speaking of concentration camps. Let's go to this festival. All right. What did you see where AFC called the camps at the border, and everyone like all these Republicans fake freaked out like this cuts trace you camp. Don't hit. I saw a tweet that was like the mere fact that we're arguing over what is and is not a concentration camp is enough evidence that we're in a really shitty place arguments rely on assets that was a death camp. They lift concentration camps and went to the desk at taste pictures of the kids breaks, my fucking heart. They got him sleep in literally do shit on purpose? Did you say the woman don't give them so you see the DOJ lawyer arguing in court judges straight face? There's, there's a, a mandate contracts that they have to be safe, right? It's safety. And what was the other word? I don't know but sanitaire sanitary insanitary water. Whatever is not necessary will instill, judge being like so you're saying having a place to sleep where you can actually sleep is not. Required to be safe. Well, it's not what I'm saying just like to their credit, the judges some of whom were appointed by Bush, we're like, no, that's what you're saying. Like you're saying to me that sleeping on concrete under ten foil is safe. And she was just like a major night, dangerous just the fuck. It is fired up. That's their playbook, though. With everything is like it's just like healthcare, whatever it is. You know, we shouldn't have to pay for this other person's healthcare. Whatever. And then you're like so you're saying that, right. I should just be allowed to die. Like, no, no. I want to say the move that it is. The move is the same. But this, but this is different because what you're talking about. With healthcare is someone who is convinced themselves that it's actually worse for people if we give them free stuff. They will stay in. That's how the cycle of poverty work. I completely disagree with that. You're living proof. That that's not how it goes. But that is the argument that they've convinced themselves of this is different shit. This is not taxes. This is. Not this isn't even like gay people kind of made me grow someone to hide behind my religion. This is that Stephen, what's that name, not banning the really ugly, dude? Who's like twenty five but he looks Stephen Miller. This is a Stephen Miller policy that is explicitly put in place to carry out a why supremacist this is insane. This trick Donald Trump into doing some crazy shit, and I'm not saying, Donald Trump's good dude in any in any way I'm saying this is literally them trick, the same. The same him and telling him. All they're all pussies. Don't worry about it. This is crazy. Yeah. Little kids are fucking dying. No. Anyway, terrible Degel see that it was like a political cartoon, but not at all funny. Just a heartbreaking one where like, it's a campaign poster of Trump's says, make America great again. It's face. And in front of it, it's this little Hispanic toddler being pulled away from her mother. And so she's like reaching out for mom with one hand and the shadow of her hand cast a Hitler moustache on Trump's face. That's christ. It's very effective. Yeah, it makes me want to drink. What do we do? I don't know. God damn she got vote. But he I don't know what else to say. I don't know what to do right now than just keep talking about. I saw another article this, it's fucking bullshit journalists got caught up by is and he was being a smart ass. Tune because he was tired, and he didn't want to be fucked with and they thought he was doing a story on them. He'd been to Mexico and was coming back and he hadn't his story had nothing to do with any of that. But anyway, he got detained for hours. They went through all his shit. They told him if you don't give your password, keeping your stuff. All this is apparently legal the Susan American citizen. He's born in Austin, that's where he was going back to, and he pointed out, and I'd never read much about this. I knew how fucked up ice was, but a lot of is, is, like people who literally failed, the test become police officers, Jesus, yes, good lower thinking about done a cop test was like the bottom of the test rather than might be TSA. What isn't if you fail you get to be us? I'm saying I just would have. Also above also things way whatever it was years ago. In, by the way, I. I'm sorry. Not just ice, the border agents to which is kind of like TSA, but it's specific topic TSA are the heart of the same. They're not. And they're civil say I thought they but they have a new, this is very weird there. That is a civil organisation. They are not military or police which one the border agents, the ones who work at the airport not ice. But I think they're called BCP. I'm fucking acronyms right now. But they've changed, they become militant their starting us military terms, like, you know, in this day and age of terrorism. They've never been military. They've always been a civil organisation. And that's a very different thing constitutionally, as far as the government goes. And think about it this way. Whoever wanted to be that years ago. Okay. Sure who wants to be that now. Like. Literal watch like you're going for a job. And you read all this stuff and it's like yeah. We've got kids in cages, and we're literally taking water that we find out in the desert to keep people alive, and we're dumping it out. We're putting Americans in jail who leave water, four people who are crossing the desert, and you go, man, that's where I wanna work, dude. And that's one of those were unlike with police officers round like fuck all of them like if you work there right now and you're not that person and you don't quit your that person. Yeah. I mean unless you're still being what I'm saying. Been in it for a while. And it hasn't been as crazy. It is now. And like you got a family and a pension and also made don't hit for you. But it's easier said than done to just and also maybe you're trying to be one of the good ones on the inside a few of those guys that maybe they're trying to trying to hear you. We'll do more radical than y'all about some of this. Like I know secures says it example they burn out I've met good police officers, they burn out. Sure. Do quit. You have to losing your humanity don't. Well, I know I know some I do know some good cops have been in the game for a very long pass mall town. Very that's true. I mean this is there. He's a ketosis county cop when I'm thinking of in particular, and you're right. It is different. But like Yemen, I don't know. I don't know. The thing does feel different because we're getting all this. I know. But again like Troy said you've been working there for Valence and you are one of the good ones it's like it's only a fifteen year old institution though. Like I think I think that's right. It's very young. Like why did you start there dude? I mean you probably got put there. That works. It's not one of those organizations really go work for the government. And they assigned you have to apply to see you plow two different ones, because the government has good pace of government job. All that you were in the military. You're not qualify for many other things. It seems like you're let me say this way. If you're fucking. I don't hold you morally. Still generally agree with you. I'm saying, I would imagine there's at least a few of them who are very, very stupid. I agree. Well, because it's, it's saying feel about cops for the most part. Yeah. This shit low to cops are, like are assholes, and that's why they're but there are okay them. Glad you brought that up. You're to convince yourself, though, that being a police officer has such a great moral like you got to be pretty woke to really I think if you grew up why in a small town, for example in America to realize just how corrupt the police systems gotten, and it wasn't until the new age of digital media were filming these cops planting guns on black people know that, that people are really starting to realize that shit. I think with ice in border patrol right now in this ministration. I'm sorry. It's just so fucking obvious. I mean you got Joe Rogan who's, like an all right darling being like this is fucking disgusting. Yeah. Rogan's pretty left leaning, actually, he just gets, sir. Gets painted as this. He is. All right. Darling, you wrap it up. I don't think he really deserves that. But anyway. User Madam, I think I might well, he's an MA guy. So that's just going to happen. That's we talked about yesterday in oakridge. He was a little bit younger. Maybe live this parents, whole life, sort of flitted around from job to job. He was kind of like a little bit of made head, you know, like a sweet guy, but, you know, didn't seem all that bright like Australian sort of small town version of it, and he's like, and then he told me, I'd tell him, he lived up beside now. So I'm all the time and I was taught he said he was going in the police academy. And I was like, yeah, this checks. And then he went through it. I knew he got the job whatever now. So I'm not to actually got the job. And, and I asked him I was like, how's the cop thing, go, man? He's I. Didn't work out, and I was like, why not? And he said, well, I know it's on the job. I got in this situation where I had to pull my weapon also by thought that like I'm not potentially have to shoot a person. And I realize in the moment that I just don't have that inside of me to do that. No matter what the circumstances are wish folks, I know. That's what I'm saying. So I went into next day and told him that I just couldn't do it because like I just don't have that inmate or whatever and I was floored by that. 'cause y'all don't know this he was a sweet God. Yeah. You know, plenty of I know it. Yeah. They're my best friends was just not expecting that at all. And he told me that, and I was like, damn due respect man. But you're right, drew those people that were ask to be fair. I've met them, Tom. And by the way, you both loved in hated to run into as defense lawyer, you loved it, because it was like, wow, this person is honest, and they're good person. And this is what we want in our community, and then you're also like my probably guilty because this isn't a person who would lie at all. And they've done everything by the book. And they're sure I'm saying that I don't believe the equivalent of that still exist inside the ice or those border patrol agent organizations. I hear what you're saying. Just some dude group in Austin, government job, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I mean, okay, you got three kids, I hear you do. But, like if you got three kids, how you not seeing their faces every fucking day when you give them literal at four hundred percent just like Corey said earlier, I think there are at least I couple of guys who like even though they're in that situation are like telling themselves that. They can make things a little better at least by being. And they're like, if, if I leave, it'll be nothing but assholes left, if I'm here, then I can try to make it a little bit better. Hope they start smuggling out videos and pictures of the shit because you think about what we've been allowed to see. Oh, no, no, it's, it's brutal. Don't get me wrong. I generally agree with you. I just don't think in almost any situation. It's hyper Santa Camby. Well. Well, I mean, maybe this point. Well, I guess now that we've, let's, let's go back to this completely. Isolated insulated rich mecca rocky mountains. We looked at it is the rocky mount capital of privilege. Yeah, let's go listen to some bands for free and get some free booze guys hits white privilege, Colorado three thousand all right? Yeah. Thank you. Free. Rages joseph. That.

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