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The Walking Dead | Season 10 Premiere Recap: "Lines We Cross"

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The Walking Dead | Season 10 Premiere Recap: "Lines We Cross"

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What do you think wombat friendship bracelets is this like the next extension of the wombat after you win the jacket Sobat woman other new generation don't miss the incredible new series bat woman Sundays at eight seven central on the CW or anytime on the free CW APP a fighter and all around s who plays my her own rules and she's got the ANC to prove it bat woman story begins three years after the mysterious awesome see shows I'm here one that like vaguely resembles a wombat Azziz my want there's like little one that looks like cubicle in the season ten premiere of the walking dead the lines we cross is over but we're just getting started here on post energy yes yes all right well we are not singing there are no song parodies here at least emphasis on yet here on the walking man cracking myself this is a great start yeah this is stupid this is why I like the wanted off and on just bringing here for that because if the wand off can keep me watching survivor maybe we need to like what do we call the Wando combat brace what if we have a walking dead wand off and the prize is the wiggles wombats friendship bracelet I don't know I don't think it's quite as the walk off is kind of I guess that's been done de Aron doff I don't think that that really rolls recap so everybody I am Josh Twitter don't you mind me for a minute because I'm just sitting here making a super sweet friendship bracelet for your friend back this week that's all right we're just starting out we would like to get more moving forwards of the best ways to do that our email address is live it's working we've tested it's back undock from buck officer wow that is a deep this to carry on Batmans mission by becoming Gotham city's new superhero vigilante from the suits to the gadgets to the fight scenes that will blow your mind off the tongue I'm trying to think who's got a name that's close to Wanda on the show we're going to have to workshop the officer your podcast App of choice if you want to find on apple the link for that is post show recaps dot com slash t wd I tunes your ratings and Reviews T. 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D. at post show recaps dot com you can also tweet at us I am at round our justice at Haymaker Hattie at Potua recaps as the OH show recaps twitter account make sure you Hashtag es recaps and that way we will make sure defined everything subscribe to this speed if you have not done so already have been discovered on the road any place is going to make Taffy I feel like that would be oceanside purview yeah maybe that was the reason why everybody went to oceanside me of nothing so much as like all of those sequences in that season breaking bad where they'd have like little flashes of like the Teddy Bear I in the swimming pool in ten and we're going to be counting eleven seasons I guess as well as over the weekend at comic con it was announced that the walking dead has already been renewed a big army of Alexandrian and Hill toppers and everybody is just biton on the beach walking dead style as everybody is training and I was here for it I thought that was kind of a cool idea and it kind of draws on things that have happened in real life and it was even I would venture to say often they've got people that forge weapons there's definitely somebody on Taffy Taffy Taffy patrol is forming as is oh and the NTSB logo and you didn't know what it was all leading up to and they just did this very non linearity like Oh look meanwhile up in space ah they've gotten their taffy on then by at this point we're almost a decade into the apocalypse they've known those insiders for seven years now you gotta assume that they know how to make season ten brings first before you get excited? I'm psyched to see Maggie come back I can't wait to see all the windmills that this group is going to build now with all of her knowledge and astronaut or something like that yes it was strand talking to a Russian astronaut cool great I don't think it was much yeah I mean somebody out there is figuring that out I mean we got people that like sit around and carve letter h is into medallions we got people that we've clogged earn eleven season the Great Lauren Co and returning to the world of the walking dead as Maggie was a big announcement are psyched for season eleven or you gotta wait doing this episode like the Training Day sequence was a nice aside it was like a nice excuse for the journey but in reality it was like everyone was just hoping that he's GonNa bring back some sweet records so I'm here for that she's bringing like treats like Taffy Ooh what does she like what kind of like Sorghum Candy read about it I do have a history degree but it was basically fell out of the sky and crash landed Soviet satellite because most other satellites I believe are made to burn up on impact and so it would have to be a pretty old one falling out I'm a few things for the end of the episode but I thought it was really it was really interesting that we did get it all in one episode kind of I mean I'm sure there will be implications as of the technology or we wouldn't have had to stop and mess with it a little bit but I think it's really interesting it had to be an old school later on do you WanNa do you WanNa posit any satellite theories now is this better saved for end of the episode are you feeling about the satellite letting it strikes me as a very inefficient way to kill something that you have to get a clean headshot on you gotta throw a javelin pretty the sky it's kind of shout out to all my eighties kids remember Skylab I don't think Skylab pat season too cold open aesthetic except it's all like truncated into this episode because the satellites introduced and then it crashes in causes this huge fire by by the the episode or I guess like throughout the episode it crashes like seventeen times we just get to see from all these different perspectives and it causes this massive forest fire which we will get to spe these yeah this was a very very breaking bad kind of intro wasn't it if this reminds and I believe did not cause any major injuries but it was kind of a running joke throughout art of the eighties I didn't realize it'd be quizzed we're talking like sweet buys and tries on the people who are tossing the Javelin 's us they're just showing off at this point I mean you know I never miss a chance to object I play called Masters where you just like you play as all these different characters and like it's a Stencil ably an archery game where you play story I think it was strategy to a Russian astronauts and that was that was all that happy yeah comparison to breaking breaking bad I think you're right like it does stuff like that but like you don't like it's not like everybody has a bow and Arrow you have all these different weapons I was like Oh cool walking dead just went full bow masters would've looked up and giving you more accurate information analysis what it reminded me of extreme we Boston Rob smarten up voice inserts here you can join us join us on the dark side Josh of your head but I do want to back up and talk about the training montage up for the inevitable war with the whispers and that's like the big sequence that kicks off season ten except for the fact that where we really begin Jess Auden that dude is definitely jacked he's got he's got rage. This is like the big Enid energy it's true he's he's hard to be assured of that clean headshot right yeah but don't you think that they've been training really hard in the intervening months like probably just like getting jacked so and spear throwers and it was like a slingshots as well and like one actual bow and Arrow reminded me a lot of this iphone game so for me I loved it because I just like immediately got that iphone sense memory but I didn't really fully understand the the absolutely because I mean it's a huge way to start the episode obviously in the season at large there's a lot of this didn't make a whole ton of sense to me little bit of a shoutout to fear the walking dead yeah was it there was a space storyline in fear of the walking dead wasn't there was strand who was talking to a they came to oceanside for Taffy make some sense and then when they were there for the Taffy the Queen of oceanside was basically like hey by the way we've got do they do the training day and everything's great and they're all hanging back at at oceanside and Luke is making a friend this woman jewels who is buried one player and then like the computer or someone online plays the other person on the other side of the screen you're just trying to like snipe each other from across the way from like different like topography ease and rate Louis appreciated just we're talking lines we cross of the season ten count them ten seasons the premier there is no middle ground with Jules she's either undercover bad guy or she is whisperer food in no time at all I really feel like that's not how oh boatload of walkers down the beach if you want to help square him out machines like Oh training day this will be great this is a perfect opportunity we'll work for the Taffy yeah I think the very true very true so I don't know I don't I don't exactly know like how they came upon the ship and they're all right this is this is the as an undercover whisperer for sure it that or she's GonNa die very soon one of those two things will happen there's much like winning the game of thrones oh she really does present as someone who is very settled into oceanside I feel like she's been there from day one yeah I think that that certainly a likely outcome take a little more psychological little more cerebral in terms of the war between the Alexandrian whisperers act like undercover whisperer unlike Cinna cinematography it seems like some new camera techniques like the blood splatter stuff was very like almost like Zack Snyder slicked walkers that we have stored up in this boat and this is GonNa be the perfect training ground I think honestly just that the theory rolled up and she's like Nah you don't get me Taffy until you deal with our Walker problem yeah so taffy for everybody because they do such a great job I do love at the first character the season we see is Kaley Fleming Judith Grimes obviously the best character in the show right now I loved you to grimes she can do no wrong plot this is what we're going to train for and we're going to do it and like we've got like this really glorified like paintball course that has these really disgusting sees uh-huh always cows too young I'm an eighty five you're younger than I am I was I was probably too young for Skylab but I openly flirting with Luke and luke very openly flirting with jewels in mind and just clearly jewels is a whisper in disguise right king dead tells their stories I think they would want you to know if she was a secret whisperer so that you're sitting there like Oh my God what's he gonNa find out she's a secret whisper so I feel like this would be a new tactic and obviously like the messaging from Angela King and like the marketing is making it pretty clear that they're trying to go for ball extent of the mission either but it looked cool we got like some sweet Slo Mo's sword swinging action from Deny Guerrero machine like they're implementing new that makes sense to me and like who would it be if we're trying to track that stuff in this episode there are a couple of candidates and she's one of the two as far as I'm concerned as he's I I feel like all of our podcasting is just eventually going to degenerate into all of us trying to do Boston Rob Impressions and failing also wanted to hold off as long as and having the ball over and I feel like that wouldn't really happen I liked how they're like archers your turn and then like Arthur's through axe throwers definitely he's working through some stuff and he's doing it in a healthy way but it does strike me that we had a lot of seeds people shooting arrows at walkers and hitting him in the chest I'm just I'm I'm hesitant to like lean on old walking dead tricks like predictive measures 'cause Angela King has been so unpredictable as show runner of the show yeah I was thinking that or even like with with all the non linear stuff I think it's sort of Guy Ritchie's yeah I like that as a compliment releasing time that Maggie was on her way back td on how all of that will shake out Gw D. and then all the kids are coming back as a whisper face yeah I I hate it when my kids go beach combing bring back faces terrible terrible activity to there being a mask in the sand that is retrieved by the kids that's supposed to be the big whisper reveal was maybe a little confused living like a happy interaction with a random person we never see again I feel like they're Scott it'd be more to the story here it's just a matter of what the story so it's not just that uh sequences were better than others like this next one is skin and I guess that that works because they're hunting of source of skin raptors which is not really something that walking dead has done a ton of did you like this that they were like doing like little title cards for every act of the episode I feel like they've taste of we're trying something new it's like I don't think you have full confidence in what you're doing here yeah I agree I think that some of the chapter titles and then the Snyder he at this point you know I I don't hate sex dieter no is best stuff was with zombies too so I don't know what you're up to maybe you are the bad guy I think I think errands a great guy I think I love Aaron here it's definitely a good guy I've got no qualms about Aaron every but they're they're talking they're happy darrel and Michelle talking they seem to be in good spirits. Nobody's heard from Maggie for awhile guess they didn't get the press accent is like Oh God the whisperers back and they're not wrong but I think going from like slice off the face which we get to see that happen Wii this is how I've kept my people I've got to be smart we gotta we gotta tolerate the border issue right now you saw Alpha did if the whisperers are seen the beach before this is a very exciting time for these kids we're seeing all sorts of songs and having a blast and playing with sand and ordering out buckets of Sand it Oh God we've been preparing for this but we can't jump the gun so she's trying to be the voice of reason here but I think she's she's a shaken by probably tell you better if you're the guy or the bad guy if I'd known what you've been up to for the last five years but you skipped over all of that so I don't know I can't help you can't like reassurance as and this was a great this was a great throwback to like two minutes prior when miss shown cut the faceoff Walker I kinda thought that it was like that was I thought it was that done it a few times before and I really think they should do it all the time or not do it at all because this just feels more like trying something new and whenever yeah and I think it's more like anybody that didn't really believe the whispers were back it's like here's your confirmation this is this is happening now but she's able to really argue her case against against Aaron in this scene she comes back they're all coming back from the campsite you too but Michelle is saying listen this isn't about being Mister Nice guy anymore or not like what's what matters here is we want to be smart this is how I've stayed this at face as well I think if I've got a I've got a fairly big knock against this episode I thought that that was a little confusing because clearly everybody paying for Danville you're right I guess it's like we need more dad so that was just breaking the Dan here rj with the tale of the brave men the brave men who sacrificed everything so that they could all live and unfortunately jess the brave men everyone they report back to Alexandria some of the people are pretty freaked out shown keeping it cool till she sees a bridge and then she loses died and rj did not like that very much you know I feel like packing your story full of death even in Zombie apocalypse a little bit much for a five year old bridge and like the reminders of Rick but also I think all of them are rightfully shaken when they go and they discover that there's there's a whisperer camp not too far away but obviously everybody's just trying to play catch up with bird wisdom bird wisdom I that's a little college is to the child literal child who's playing rj because I apparently hurt his feelings or hurt feelings of all the people that he I was Gonna say she has the three Cs down and then she sees the bridge like nope triggered dough like this at all she aaron kind of have it out on the bridge because Aaron is in his chill to shed I'm freaking out are we the good guys anymore we're the bad guys what's going on yeah and this is one of those things like I could right and Michelle returns and she she sees her kids she sees judith and RJ and Judith is re Galley to acting skills and immediately regretted that decision to make that tweet yeah but I think you know he's he's just he's just a young boy he's just reading looks wise they got it spot on I think he's easing exceptionally cute kid and I think overtime he could really make this it I don't know something yeah it was it was very neagh is bird wisdom but we'll get we'll get to the bird wisdom the state bind the skin you had a very jesse vary it a very popular social media moment while the it definitely looks like he could be Judith Sibling and he definitely looks like he could be machines child he looks like he could be Rick's child I think all his own yeah I think we'll we'll see where they're going with RJ everything I mean we have to be on high alert for anybody connected to miss shown walking dead was airing as it involved is conversation between Judith and RJ did you not I did and I want to take this moment to formally you episode that really probably aren't going to come to come to pass given some of the things we saw this episode and more's The pity if you ask me but I in their ins ever done has been fantastic many of these people are the good guys maybe a couple of bad guys in the mix but it's all about shades of gray through because I really angry have struggled to find the point of RJ and I'm going to be interested to see if there is one okay so they're all thing to me at least a little bit just a touch that's the first segment episode this premier is like chunked up and PSOMAS shown because I think she had to be thinking a long time ago that she was never gonna use that law degree again after civilization collapsed and it turns out it's very useful yeah out any theories I say this having written an article with a theory about what's going to happen with Michelle and that's up at T. H. dot com slash walking dead and that's a shame was plugged you think whatever happens I think RJ's going to go with Michelle so I think we could be looking for that kid to be on his way out as well don he's got time a cute moment I have to say from a casting standpoint as far as like looks wise at least one of the grime siblings does no wrong in your book this week we'll get there we're getting there we're getting there we're close to closely knowing that deny Carreira is gonNA leave at some point we just don't know the circumstances surrounding her departure did the premier move you one way or the other in terms of developing I think closed some doors which I think we gotta wait till we get to the comic book zone to really go into this but I think we had some theories that we talked about in our preview in every episode all season long I'm glad that it's just done in this episode for sure for sure I mean I think that the first episode of the season it's not an our right well we'll we'll keep an eye on it but I think it's also I'm going to posit a third possibility to you that this was just a cute little one off scene and we're never more than fair amount of time to spend on this plot thread rather than really dragging it out across the season that being said of course the season is young and we don't know Nice Nice family moment with shown judith and rj and then look in the Sky Oh my God the sky's fire cool doing much in the way of like emotional responsibility for Rosetta but by their Gabriel much like Tom selleck is in love with the mother so I think that is useful to do and it's got to be much harder to do if you don't have an IPAD so props to Eugene for doing listen if you don't have an ipad then you at least need to have a Eugene I think is how much that five minutes at the satellite that Eugene spends at the end of the episode is going to impact every we cut Alexandria Jackson we're going to see her again I think that that's seems a why we love all the action that they've gotta get accomplished here in the season ten premiere why just like waste a moment on Luke so I definitely feel the impulse and I definitely attracted Longitudinal Data and was like Dick Times when you go to sleep and want to eat and this participated new series to join the C W verse that Woman Get ready to meet your new hero Kate Kane she's a survivor wisdom I mean we have to give props here to enter the king because in Scott Kimble's hands we would have watched a different person react to this satellite crashing how many men does it take to raise a baby in Alexandria I guess the answer's three as gene in Gabriel and Siddiqui I didn't like that the brave man died why do you have to do that I just thought it was I thought it was fantastic I thought that was one of my favorite moments of the episode I definitely laugh it's like I kids cute and that's the first of a few times that we're GONNA cut to commercial on the satellite before we go to chapter three bird all maps out pretty well yeah I thought so I I agree with you really got it did you like the baby measuring sequence you see that there's a different wars being waged here in Alexandria including how many there's there's there's a joke about so that means he loves this baby and you got to imagine that you know a piece of this is like he's thinking if I'm really good dad to this kid maybe someday Rosetta is this fund this little montage this this kind of hit close to home for me because I definitely tracked all of those things in an APP when my son was born eh one or the other really serves that function doesn't he does a great job but he is really you know I listen he loves her we're all helping out Rosetta with baby cocoa that goes a little bit of a marker for how much time has passed yes it does and of course you have gene in the St stuff very personally and I did not realize what an emotional connection people have to the offspring of Michelle and Rick and that was my fault but I tweeted out that I was not impressed with this child cadets in which leaves Gabriel to be because like the player right like he's the baby daddy but he's not the you know he didn't do any Gutenberg's Yup absolutely he's the goat no question he's totally and CDC I feel like he's the Celik and that probably leaves actually no city is the fireworks and Michelle that's not a firework that's a wreck in USSR's Soviet satellite barreling straight towards us his lines is just doing what he could do but I also have to admit I thought it was great when he was like Mommy why did the bad man died at the brave fan died I didn't appropriate for to be mostly an action episode that's built around a single exciting event and it's dealt with within the space of the episode and it's it's important to have aspirations in Zombie apocalypse there's a lot of stuff going on at Alexandria Sadique is having panic attacks he's got some fall for me I don't know how likely that seems to be to me it it does not but it's good to have goals I guess definitely she enjoys reading reading and that's her forms or Aikido that she's just self teaching I guess yeah we don't have Morgan to kick around anymore Dante like recognizing facial features is he thinking that Dante is one of the whisperers I think I think the staring at the mouth was he has a new enemy or a friend I don't know they seem like this guy is a real rascal Dante your comes to them I think maybe that's why he was staring at the mouth we see that Lydia without Henry who is she what what does she what does she want I don't remember him being a doctor in the comic so I think that this is a show invention which could be suggestive of some ideas that they're going to be implementing with Dante who we will not get into the details of which but he does hail from the comic books so this is a character from Kirkman at Lord's Source Material Macon his only because that's the only use of someone's face you can see when they are wearing a whisper amount so I think that's probably if he's like in that head space got a gun to my head are we gonNA lose Dante or we're GONNA lose Sadique I think it's I think it's certainly possible that we lose Siddiq but esperer citing and they need to need to figure it out so they kick out Lydia Lydia decides to work on something else that she enjoys certainly more than I saw the whisperers coming and he sees a threat I think in the moment he had never seen them before and was kind of focusing on the human parts conjoining it she's not having a good time at school and she gets kicked out of the classroom because Gabriel gets the call that there may have been under how many people picked up little pieces for Morgan that Morgan's true legacy from before he left for fear of the walking dead that he just like everybody with Dante I feel like every time they bring on a redundant doctor it spells doom for one of the dock Oronte yeah I feel like yeah if redemption two story for Lydia I believe that's it's very very sad I feel like reading unlocked so many doors I think so as well but she's not out of life what is apparently she doesn't WanNa learn how to read what we know we know that she doesn't like school there shelby no billy Madison money would be on Dante I feel like the show like Sadique they just had him survived the beheading yeah it's true it would be it would be kind of a cheap shot to have him and he is he's co doctoring the Alexandria and safe old alongside said D- what what is his medical background because I feel like maybe oh how exactly how much time has passed although I had tried to puzzle this out or an article that I wrote for Primetime or Dot Com. Here's my plug for the week of me or something I didn't know you were into me like that and it's a little whatever but I think the takeaway there is D- quick looking room while his baby whilst the baby is screaming her head off and to start staring at Dante's mouth and Dante's like whoa you try to make begins on work release is gardening is threatening to brain people with tomatoes. I thought that was a funny line it's pretty good and he's wearing survive all of that only two get killed some other way I think he's he's he's reeling from the memories of what happened and then Dante walks into the shows up and tells us a different story until somebody else baby birds the true wisdom into our ears which brings us Donegan of course the new aikido master at Alexandria because that person exists here she is out there for sure yeah it's it's true it could be that's not very much time and then if skip a bunch and then we get into the whisperer war and that could have been probably no more job it's like it's Dave Fox at the top and then Jeffrey Dean Morgan Right Beneath Him and those two those two guys and Brian Cox does a pretty good Canadian Tuxedo and super troopers Alexandra into panic mode until you need to try and keep it calm relaxed there's no reason to cause a panic itself interested the tables on him if things start to get ugly and they may see him as the old enemy that they can just turn on but he's also I think he's got a point right like they don't know if the whispers passed and it was really from the day that Rick and his gang arrived at Alexandria the end of the savior war is something like three months so basically the outfit that he was wearing in Carl's flash forward yeah it's pretty close to Carl's vision of the future you also looks like my father-in-law's like maybe she's just practicing what Henry taught her how long was she with Henry Long enough to like know all of the forms and the moves that's a good question I wrote an article for Primetime or dot com about how exciting this season's going to be an how happy we are that the story is moving along and I tried to puzzle out how much angel theory the actress who plays Kelly is hard of hearing in in real life so they're bringing that into the show and she and Connie beings it the satellite comet strikes across the sky and Eugene does an amazing like Napoleon dynamite Eugene's which is so fun it's those three against the world but needing GonNa he's catching wind of the fact that clearly something up tides are shifting it goes back to his jail cell at the end of the day yeah maybe it was Jean who radio those nunchucks skills I mean he has his own set of sweet moves I feel like some kind of you wasn't a doctor in the comics but do we know like is is he like CDC did have like a year of medical ski I don't think we've got any indication of his background curl like coach she type thing so our chapter four's seadogs which is literally dog at the sea in this moment where she's backing up and she's you know she falls onto the rocks because she can't hear that she's she's closing in on it she's not quite as sisters they're certainly bonding on that I enjoyed it I haven't been on the podcast long enough to say that I certainly to a degree and is concerned that now that he's getting to see the light of day that he is a little more exposed to everybody in Alexandria and they could turn Zain who learning asl he's got the handbook jess that's it's very cute and it shows like Darrell has come a long way because but it's it's such a weird disconnect I feel like I've known Daryl Dixon for a decade now and he's never shown any interest in being in that kind of relationship Connie and Kelly and a bunch of people they're bringing in fish on oceanside Kelly is starting to lose her hearing Father Gabriel comes to essentially confide in him neagh trying to baby bird some of his old leader wisdom into Father Gabriel and tell my don't send is Darryl was for many years somebody that didn't WanNa communicate with anybody ever and now he's like learning a whole other language kate with people he likes so that's great nat suit day fos big Denim Guy Yeah I mean you know nobody rocks Canadian Tuxedo like need is he's really doing a great Ito from Henry feels feels like a lot just has like nunchucks extension on her staff like Kooky for the cool staff that's kind of an advanced back yet we don't know what the what the official scoop this from the people at oceanside just remained calm until you absolutely can't afford to anymore complicated new emotions through daryl yeah I can't happen next week you know I don't think it can happen like even like re weeks from now I think it needs it used to this circumstance as her sister is is this foreshadowing something that's coming up or is this just something that Kelly is going to be dealing with working towards it in a way where they know in the writing room in the writer's room that this is a big deal if they're going to go in this direction for Darryl opened himself up Nabila Ha that would be great are like that that means she we don't know what her story is that's it that's the backstory so prove otherwise he spent some time with Morgan basing way but it's it's GonNa be it's GonNa be very interesting season for Norman Reedus have to process all of these Kelly needed to hear it in that moment so it was great that they included it in the script yeah I love it I'm curious to see where it's going it's late a little tensely within a few weeks so that's not really enough time to advance one belt let alone if I use a pretty short period of time that Lydia New Henry so for for her to have picked up I love Lauren rid law office Connie so any Connie that we get on this show I'm here for I loved that moment between the two of them being like this is our superpower we're going to be fine and I feel like Nigga knows how to handle threat he's had his experience is having its or sure and then the somebody like this that it's not nothing that it's going to matter and they have to play it smartly I think so far they are look it's she's the dog she's been out there ever since the death of her son Henry Ezekiel waiting like a good boy for he's making a movie it's very possible that she's not going to be long for the walking dead just because her career much like some of these other amazing actors who've been on this show her career like you know Morgan was kind of a lunatic killed a lot of people but may pad may have had the right idea at the stuff well I mean he probably taught a lot of it to Henry it definitely wears that on his sleeve and occasionally on his neck as a necklace made of several years and now she's decided she thinks maybe she will run away with Darryl is this progress for her yeah I think at the very least like she knows that she throughout the season I think it's a little it's TB D. but at the very least they're going to have another person that they can communicate with in the form of Daryl Yeah I think that that's fair just like talking about all the raw seagulls he's and stuff like that like you could really smell Daryl Dixon and I loved Angel Theory had a really adorable tweet where she said that that's something that people that people close to her and said to her and she felt like she felt like I don't WanNa be totally alone she likes being around some people but I think that she wants to be around people that she knows can totally take care of themselves and not people aub saying I dunno okay okay I will be interested to watch it developed and I have faith that the show is capable of selling this to me and it can be would be at risk of decapitation like the late great Henry I think she feels pretty good about Darryl's ability to to hang in there in the in the world being bad and walking dead crossover from the days of the the Blue Crystal in Merle's drug supply all the way back in season to really I mean he's definitely not bathed since the days when he was wearing a necklace of ears he's definitely still has some macabre stink on him has there clearly good friends in real life and I think that there's a there's a reason why people love these characters together in ten seasons in when we're running out like lifted the kingdom he taught her what he knew and she ran with Jeff there you go that's yes I'm into it I think that that's the that's the that's the that's the gospel until somebody really possible that like cutting dies before Daryl has a chance to before that has a chance to become anything or rid laughs in the marvel cinematic universe now it's like two steps forward one step back with him it's possible I think we also have to say they're not allowed to get intimate with anybody until he takes definitely the next Daryl and Carol or making friendship bracelets and it's cute I like these together I like Norman Rita's in Melissa McBride I take off and she's like yeah I can't do the walking dead anymore I think that that's on the table for sure and that's just going to set daryl back seventeen years yeah I guess fire from spreading because it would be detrimental to every roadway and all this stuff they'd be blocked off from oceanside and that would be awful and everybody popular in the United States of America in and Canada Canada like do you think that indie apocalypse art gotta go gotTa go hang out with my buddy and they go off in the woods and here's my question to you josh so carol used to constantly try to run away by herself instill but I think like even the fact that like Kelly gives Khania face in kind of like oh come on jump off I feel like they're definitely working towards it and I think that together on screen because it does seem like bond is very genuine or aspire they see this satellite fall and they gotta go into the forest to stop it got a little weird Shipley for me and I know that your audit I'm on that ship like Carol I I know you are move to like you could tell she doesn't really know what to do with it personally I don't know what to do with it how do you maneuvres staff with a nunchucks on the hope that we get a backstory for once again their skill with ranged weapons to do all manner of things I I'm going to cast aside entirely possible I mean we don't know what he's up to most of the time it just hangs out with his dog I'm sure that I actually honestly I don't think he does spend already built in good strategy honestly just yeah don't ever bathe for ten years yeah I think I would try that in the apocalypse we get Carol we get pirate Carol it's now pirate Michelle on and all of this what we wanted but it's not it's fire it Carol Carol has been on the High Seas like the Daryl and Rick Friendship was so key for so much of the walking dead and with Andrew Lincoln Gone I think you still want like back to back just us two coppee yeah much like that and Carol gives them like no time at all like hey see you gotta talk to Darryl a lot of time practicing throwing axes because I feel like that would be problematic if you're throwing something that looks like a stick your dog's going after Oh true yeah I mean that's risky yeah that's no good the walking dead has a bad track record with horses as it is indeed R I P R E so many horse go your faces or at least like old school familiar faces on this show I'm glad that these two and their dynamic has has stepped up into center stage so it's going to take some doing to yet is a I think they've got a lot of work to do dog wasn't around at least I don't think dog was around when Darryl through the axe because bad like horses running back into the barn type stuff josh CGI considerably meteor than real it's true also that thing looked like it was diseased so maybe that's for the best shot it's the world that kind of dynamic in Zombie apocalypse and you really get that here with Darrin Carolina really like to see it yeah I I'm here for anytime the two of them back next thing we know L. Camino is going to be ripping through oceanside and picking up Darrell to to go for a ride yep that's that's yeah we see Darrel throw an axe and destroy a tree by throwing the acts at the tree which felt excessive probably chop the tree down MMA great axe thrower everybody knows about everybody's counting on me to chop this tree gotta look cool doing it I think that's imitating life and in their free time in Alexandria they've got an axe throwing arena where people can prepare for this daryl accepts I was like okay this is my moment old whisperer territory right this is where all the walkers should be isn't it yeah that's where the heard was when they like went and looked down there was a giant hurt and it's like this is the out there on the open sea you should come with me and Darryl's like now I want to go to New Mexico New Mexico is where it's at really speaking of breaking high we're really pushing that there is a happy ending for Bambi just you have any idea how many pounds of Taffy that deer could have supplied I don't want Taffy made out of listen dead the one guy that doesn't have to cover himself Zombie gets to walk around in a heard because he just smells that bad he just has that skill I mean honestly I know he spends a lot of time practicing but yeah one strategically thrown axe to fell a tree we know that acts will come very he's talking with Luke he's not happy about that I'd be like satellite scraps this is Chekhov's satellite scraps this is going to come into play at some point later in the in desperate times Zombie you just haven't I haven't tried it yet get away from me with your Venison Taffy Josh that's not the Daffy so the you could just put their baggage aside they'd realize so much in common they're both there for breath the fresh air and then they see each other across the way and they stare each other down them as they glower at each other I it was a little it was a little much the hands on the hips and stuff like just like ooh I'm so mad I think some people will just be forced into it but you know they have houses they have plumbing is no excuse doesn't really have much excuse yeah she's saying like Oh i WanNa go back and we're left with this very ominous note for the first episode of the Tenth Season of walking at a tense scene I mean I have a theory we'll get into combat zone but yeah I I think he wouldn't have gotten five minutes if there wasn't a good reason yeah yeah I was GonNa die one way or the other it'll probably would have been better if died and fed the humans but yeah I out there on her own just hanging out getting a good breeze in and so so so does Alfalfa has the same idea these two people were such polar opposites leads us very nicely into our feedback we have a few feedback items as we mentioned a little thin at the start of the season we wanna make sure that we are hearing from you guys wd at Ooh I'm really mad at you and like the stage directions you know stares defiantly into the middle distance right right they pray they prevent the forest fire they make smokey the bandit proud they probab- we cross some literal and figurative wines with the whispered he's in the process they are able to retrieve some parts from the fallen satellite Eugene wants twenty minutes he gets five he wastes about thirty seconds it's real molly Weasley bill tricks strange kind of energy that we're seeing I mean to fruition here very here for that even Alpha kind of looks more like did Carol Son a could be very grim moving forward depending on how these two women choose to react moving forward uh-huh horses and deer that tier did not have to die your gear could've fed two hundred you know what I googled it and that was the top search result that a deer how many how many people can deer feed people that's like the exact searchers for it then the episode ends they Caroline Daryl are going off for a walk it seems that they're at the same chazan right like this is the same this is like I don't want anybody else to be the one that takes out alpha or at least they need to fight they need to confront each other well that Gerald versus Betas stuff that's what I wanna see with carol versus Alpha AK throwing each other onto elevators so this this is like the tag team wrestling match we WANNA see voldemort ish with bald head she definitely does but I I definitely think that Carol is going to play it S. recaps to get in your feedback with this is from Hillary who wrote and instead I'm going to need to see Carol an Alpha going head-to-head quote unquote world so I would love to know what was like the inside story on how that line came together I actually don't think we may have figured out it was a CGI dear show recaps dot com is our email address you can also tweet at us I'm at round our justice at Haymaker Hattie and you should also tweet at post show recaps and Hashtag e L. 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Marshmallow it'll be over do you agree with that assessment that was shown they came soft when she fell in love with Rick and I think a little corny the scene itself suggestive of where this show might go and season ten like this is the person who has like the fall out of it I'm very cheek to see where they go from here I do not disagree that it looked a little hope yeah I mean it is the showdown I wanna see yes it's definitely why they lost yeah that's what I want very badly look look I believe you're the one that took me out of the royal rumbles this is going to be like kind of like around around grudge match between Caroline Alpha a decent amount a little bit a lot of it I think we're going to see some of that I think it's a real a big role in whatever happens to mete out justice to Alpha I hope so I would like to see the knock-out drag-out fight between the two of them like the that's going to eat you if you don't do what we say they're gone and they went away but there's one person there it's really good timing that carols the extended rob has a podcast family from sloppy mic slots Bass writes in the premier was better than the last several but I was still disappointed over all who agree with the assessment Darrow is on his way toward becoming a marshmallow I disagree that it made shown soft but I do but on the other hand I think this speaks to what you were saying earlier josh where it's possible that Daryl opens up and falls in love only to have the door slammed in his unlike the chest so is on its way it was on its way out but I felt like it was alive when they were picking it apart like that did not have to die that was for nothing vase when something terrible happens to Connie Classic Classic Daryl it would and it would just once again we're focusing on the children it's dragging the showdown in my opinion and good for Darryl getting a love interest but when machine fell in love she became soft if they make agree that there is potential here or Darryl's character to go very wrong if he is given a love interest and if that has his story are for the tenth season walk yes so this felt this filter little high school drama club though like just on stage together and like cast spotlight on I don't mean to do the head that I think you do I really didn't I caught it I feel bad the coming season season ten how much do you think that in this corner we got Daryl and Carol in this corner we got Alpha and Beta put them in the simulator send them up against Bloomberg this is what I want to see after that final staredown I hope that's the direction the walking dead goes how much do you expect just that the that the season ahead is going to sorry PTSD from surviving the decapitation ings that happened to the border beheadings he was the lone survivor of that incident. It's been carol story a lot as well Darryl's like the Kurt Clark of design be apocalypse everything he touches gets canceled after world is like and how we got to this point I think that's an interesting idea to play with and I'm okay to have it laid with or as much as we're getting it I don't want kids going to school playing on the beach and telling Folk Tales about their absent fathers and I think that's an interesting perspective to have I don't want in her up to in this world because we've worked very hard to get to a point where children can even be in this world and as much as I think rj is kind of an extremist character and to go like full muppet babies but I'm okay with it from time to time because I think having a variety of perspectives and I think this also speaks to the of the focus on the children I didn't feel like there is too much of a focus on the children I mean we got a bit of it but it's also I think it's interesting what the children maybe I'll be eating my words by the end of the season I do think it's like this is a world that's safe enough I it's still not safe world by any means but it's a world that safe enough that time he kind of lets somebody in a little bit he loses and it's he and carol are well suited to have their friendship bond because I think the of shows that we're supposed to get with the untitled third spin all right where where it's like these are kids who've grown up a relatively sheltered and don't understand what the yeah with my mustard shorts on or whatever the Hell I was I was wearing really look I had overall so this is a strange day for all of us here it was actually I think the deer did have die and then after you shoot it in the chest Kinda does have to die well yeah but yes if they weren't going to feed it to two hundred people of that but this is a good amount did you did you watch the trailer or read anything about the third walking dead show it was revealed a bit at New York comic con there's sets the car curse it action on Daryl Dixon wow what about sodomy slots bases assertion of the I'm dead the events of the third series there unfolding simultaneously so they're much closer in time than fear and the flagship Taylor has a really funny that's out Scott Kimbler pulled the curtain back a little bit on what the show is about I guess like it takes place at the same time as the flagship so everything that's happening right now on the walking like one I'd Gabriel like actually being a sensible human being not a total coward in like hanging out with knee and having awkward interactions with Megan I'm totally Oh more creatively interesting than it's been for a couple of years so I'm definitely in the camp of like yeah I'm here Erin in the apocalypse that seems fun to be sure I'm here for we can just go home yeah literally falling action everything's falling out of space and it's almost over it just getting we're here for for years just joe there's a lot and you wrote about this in your primetime or piece that the absence of Andrew Lincoln rather than trying to fill that void with a new Yam's about right somebody's going to step up I feel like this is going to be shown season I think we see a lot more shown I think she's kind of the undisputed and I think that they're supporting characters like stepped up to like recognizably closer to lead positions like father Gabriel like Aaron with our last bit of feedback road and it says it feels like I'm watching a show with several supporting characters but no main character yeah that's where we're at but I think it just your mileage will vary based on like do you care about this characters for a lot of people the answer is no for a lot of people the answer is yes and I like those lead at this point but we've also got Daryl and Carol although they took a very supportive role but I do think that I think this is what the F. Show am I watching I had to I had to check when I saw the satellite to make sure I wasn't watching Star Trek or fear the walking dead it's it's ridiculous it has it ends on a moment that feels like very true to how I would react in Zombie apocalypse so issue I prison reformed Megan and like what is he gonNa do we've got Judith Grimes on the show I'm loving that character so there's a lot of supporting characters but for me mostly series lead it allows a lot of these actors to step forward with boulder storylines and more defined storylines and more time in the spotlight and I actually do think that it's making the show I'm not sure I'm gonNA commit to podcast about it we'll say we'll see we'll see what happens when we get closer to it thebe nugent wrote in and said I like that I don't know we'll see how that show goes I thought that the show will respond I have to be convinced a little bit on on he's this a lot of walking dead Sean season I think it is I think it probably is going to be largely machine season I think it's also going to be a lot of daryl a lot of carol a good amount of Nagin supporting characters that I like a decent amount I'm pretty happy with them yeah I mean you could do worse for supporting characters and I want to put it in in something you said about Aaron but I'm going to save well yes we've just been building towards this the entire time they're geniuses is it just falling action from here on out then we got our space junk and now or something breaking bad I guess you know what I saw little bit of like this is so out of place what is a satellite doing on the walking dead gene maybe a little bit of Zia but not quite yet Christmas artists fourth billing on the show at this point adulation state absolutely start getting in to the comic book zone if you do not want to follow us into the Comic Book Zone we will we will tell you that this is you've reached the end of the and I think it's hilarious that all these people are acting like the words space junk have not been part of the DNA of the wash from the very first episode occurred to me four comic books own alright well he may be putting a pin in his stump in the future as well based on the trailers that we've seen or season ten let's not waste any further time what's hours jess and I turn turn the vessel over to you you can tap into your inner pirate mish shown and steer the ship because it's fire it be shown in the comics and not pirate Carol and are we a little salty like taffy about it that's well and subscribe if you have not done so already to the walking dead podcast on post show recaps without further ado let's talk comic books pretty much the first order of business here is we have to hide of him for our expectations were pirate miss shown I think it's not going to happen now because now we in ten of the walking dead we want your feedback twu at post show recaps dot com tweeted US Hashtag recaps make sure tag at pusher recaps as there's comic book head nothing else except for comic book spoilers were the rest of this podcast we'll be back next week talking about week two pirate Carol Carol way less epic than pirate shown I'm just saying you took the most iconic moment of the entire comic series the single best panel and just watered it down and and I I usually I'm kind of here for it when they remixed there's going to be so cool at epic and then they kidnapped her dragons and gave her re second house the undying flashback this is that for me this is like things from the comics in new and interesting ways but it's like this is like when I was watching game of thrones season two and I got to the House of the dying episode and I'm like this I'm waiting for these great moments to show up on the screen and the best one didn't come yeah I think I'd been kinda braced for this I been feeling you see a naval battle on the walking dead that could be very interesting but carroll wasn't even Pirate Carol Carol was like Gordon's fisherman a couple of years that will get the pirate moment but it's probably going to be carol like she's going to leave in some capacity is gonNA come back so I was I didn't mind like the character substitution awesome and I love Carole no question about it and I think that pirate carol could be very cool and it organizes like a fleet to go I agree that the moment could have been a little more epic than it was because I'll never forget that page in the comic book and like after so we've jumped through time through the whisperers will be bad as hell but just like as far as the introduction carol left a little to be desired me I mean as much as I would love to via pirate ship and so I miss shown finds out because like maybe there's like some satellite footage that Eugene is able to all away from ocean I guess I don't see it happening now I think you can only have one pirate per season and she went to other communities and you knew there was more out there it was a greater world and what is Carol doing she's fishing trust mckerrow fish man we don't know what's happened to Michelle and people were talking about how much shown is gone and like it's a little bit of a mystery of Oh my God is she dead I hope she's Ok we have no idea and then she could show up as movies how could they resist the urge to keep the door open for tonight rare to do the same but in the whisper war in the comics very iconic death for of Rick in a different community which would be a highly specific ridiculous thing for eugene to discover from this random we've fallen satellite let's just go with it and yeah she's just doing it you know she's just trying to get away she's upset about what happened Henry I don't know that I'm necessarily all the way out on there being I think we need to be open to the possibility that machine is going to die that's my theory I know we've now introduced the way that you can leave the walkie a pirate Shown I think that like what we could be being set up with at this point is like the introduction of the idea that you can leave the walking dead I'm dead bloodlessly thanks to Lennie James leaving for fear or Lincoln leaving for the movies and if Andrew Lincoln's GonNa be in the one of the ones where we're going to see a very impossible scenario but we don't Habeas Corpus so it's very possible Elf on the line to save everybody to heard the walkers like Andrea does in the comics and like get bitten in the process and die as a brave man doesn't really die he lives on inside you and inspires you to be brave and saying you know I would do anything to protect any the you know being on the bridge and being reminded of Rick Sacrifice Hearing Judas telling Rj the story of her dad and how he died out Irish she's got like one leg up on the bow of the ship in the wind is blowing through hair she's got like the double ponytail she just looks Komo possibility but I do think it's more likely that we will get a Madison Clark style death from shown if we get a death for her at all like you'll find out that rick is out there and she'll leave to go and find rick on but I'm more inclined to think jess that machine is like going to put her the Andrea who is married to rick in the comics and I think that there was a lot of setup for me to take that on here in the show you know exactly what went down in the big time jump after Rick's quote unquote death Could die and word reaches Maggie and that she definitely looks like a thing where nobody could escape it alive but if we ever needed to bring her back or put her in a movie I don't think they ever episode in season nine that's where my head's at right now I kind of feel like the show just set up for a death well I think it's not out of the like maybe kind of like that that we're chippy tyree episode from back in season five and maybe there'd be like not unlike honestly Andrew Lincoln avid outstanding career so and I'm thinking also about like what's going to bring Maggie back to the show if my shown dies and there's like a big funeral era might wanna close that door she's she's not going to need to come back to the walking dead she's GonNa life spotlight this line right like her life is great she's Erin on the show his appearance is very similar to rick in the comics and as soon as I saw it I couldn't unseat it yeah he's got the beard he's got the fishing she doesn't even miss shown went out and Michelle was the pirate she wasn't she wasn't looting and pillaging but she was exploring and trading have you I would I would do anything for you I love you that much I would do anything for your father too and the like the anything for your father piece of it is like a lingering bit of hope for me there is a void with no rick so if Aaron stepped up and was the new leader and became more of a presence on the show I think we've gone on record saying a two what else from Comic Book Perspective Caught Your interest in this episode I saw an interesting thing I can't take full credit for this because I saw yeah yeah time to come back when the weird skin face stirred terrorizing your town so just something to track I think it's it's got to be watching trajectory of rick moving forward he might or it might just be that this is a very deliberate visual shoutout to recoup no longer with us I can't really tell I do think that Aaron has kind of priming himself to be a little bit more of a leader then he than his comic self was and I think like oh you are one hundred percent glass Mr is very similar in the in the show so far with the way he's talking to eke I mean if mad at them I'm not mad at that at all I I love that it'd be thrilled to see Ross marquand stepping up he's such a good actor so just give him a ton to do very very here for it on read it but somebody made the comment that visually Erin has undergone an interesting transformation and they compared the one hand I think he's going to make better use of the one hand than they ever did with Rick in the comic so you think that he's going to take on the take the arrival of Dante played by one heavier Cardini so maybe the Wanda could work if he oh he pans out to be they close the door on my show I think it'd be it would be really risky to do that'd be just be very surprising that like you would you would close that door but I mean really killer character I guess but he's such a Douche like he's such a Douche in the comics and he's like I surprised Dante kind of anti endeared himself to me in the comics was the day that he says to Carl you never forget your first piece of ads yeah back Maggie is she seems to like douches yeah now I don't know I hope I hope that she stays away from Dante I just don't see the chemistry I it's hard to see what's going to happen tonight Carreira on the show and I'm a little nervous and I I hope that you're right I hope that they leave the door open but I'm a little concerned that maybe they're not and he comes back to the area because it's like wow what has happened Jesus has gone like I gotta show back up now there's people in like weird skin faces it's like we love Maggie Maggie good for Dante think but I feel like she was in the connex she wasn't the common but do you think with the remix approach that the show often takes from the comics is there a possibility at the show's version of Dante is a whisper sure but you know for a show like buying all rex alive he's out there I gotta go off after him and then like the final image of shown of the season is moaning her way that has been there all along is kind of a dirty trick that I don't know the show is capable of doing but then as I say this I'm remembering her I can't imagine that that's a thing although it's an interesting idea at it's certainly a show that did actually do this and I do not know if this is a show that you were ever into Josh because I you are a little bit younger than I am but line that like it was such it was such a thing that Beta never took his mask off that whoever he was underneath had to be fairly important I think it's certainly a possibility seems to me to be kind of a slim possibility I don't think secret whisperer stew there was a theory at least I had the theory in when I was reading the whisperer war in the comics I think other people did too ended up being a little bit of a gag when they do reveal that he was just like a famous person he was like a basketball player or something like that but I remember a we're supposed to distrust him because he's such a Douche and because CDC was having the flashback and he was not handling it well I and I guess they could do that here okay I guess skating go full deep space nine and it would there are worst shows you can on your deep-space Nanri watches yeah it starts to take off like some day when you and Mike Bloomberg done with your loss to rot I will welcome you and blue there was a story arc and I will give it away but they're one of the one of the main plot points throughout the series is that there are aliens Oh for machine or something like that and we know that there has been some kind of rift between Michaud Maggie show has talked about that a little bit but it hasn't really that one of the main cast has been a changeling and was replaced by changeling and has been that way for ten episodes and was kind of it was kind of dirty trick then but it made narrative sense once they explained it and then you're Kinda like Oh yeah I guess that makes a little more sense now from what the one-off equivalent be on deep space nine that's a good question I think adding that it was going to reveal that he had infiltrated like the community and that he was Dante and Dante was gonNA stand revealed as Beta at I have to workshop that as well so Parang Gov the Farang off the road off the doctor Bashir off changed Ling's in their shape shifter's able to take on the persona of anybody and there is a reveal midway through one of the seasons it's possible that there is high high tech communications gear in this nineteen eighty s via satellite maybe not but I think maybe boosts the signal enough that we are talking to the Commonwealth on this like superpower space satellite boosted radio or is this story arc in Star Trek space nine nine I'm told that I need to go back and change that you do you definitely do Kinda if there is any kind of recon footage on that satellite there may well be something hinting at the at the mysterious force you can write off the entire first two seasons like there's a couple of good moments and like jumpin like maybe even midway through season three okay hot thames that'd be crazy that would make almost no sense at all it would but I think what would make more sense is that if there are any how about the satellite you said you had some common quickey thoughts on that I had some comic book thoughts on the Saddle eight I think used to boost their ham radios and I mean we did see a mysterious voice on the radio at the end of last season we got circle back that but I'm is that we've seen both on fear and in walking dead that you know you have a big enough compound with a helicopter that's going to show up at a satellite right depending on what you're looking I guess the conic and obviously they went a different direction and obviously one of your Khardina says not Ryan Hurst who plays Beta so I'm not suggesting that Dante is Beta of Eugene findings satellite photos inside the satellite that makes a lot of sense as well but I think there's probably antenna gear and communication stuff in there that they can I watched a little bit I when I saw it but I don't think that I got a turning point right where you get far enough in like things are starting to start to really acting that we need a little more juice to really get that going yeah if Eugene find satellite photos of Rick on the satellite I'm going to throw up a little bit because that's ridiculous my theory is good theory I think that's like almost a slam dunk theory I think if we're gonNA use that stuff for anything I like I think you're either on the show but I guess give him time he's already like of meet some questionable jokes and the thing that not at the right time it wouldn't be totally out

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Amazing Race 31 | 4th Place Exit Interview

Rob Has a Podcast

15:55 min | 2 years ago

Amazing Race 31 | 4th Place Exit Interview

"What's going on? Rob sister, Nino back. So soon with some more amazing race coverage. And so we have an exit interview with our fourth place amazing race finishing team from mazing race. Thirty one and I'll give you a couple of seconds to get outta here. If you are not yet spoiled, but it it's going to be Nicole Invicta. Yes. Okay. This went back and forth. A couple of times we were originally scheduled to talk to them today. We had gotten word earlier in the week that Nicole in Victor. We're going to pass on doing exit press here on our H, A P. But luckily, we were able to get everything sorted out on misunderstandings or confusion that might have been going on. So I'm very happy to say that we're gonna call him Victor will be calling in, and we will talk to them about their run here on. On the amazing race. We had our big amazing race. Manelli recap myself. Jessica lease and Mike bloom, arm as team got together and talked about that big finale and everything that was going on there of what Jessica leases calling the best amazing race season ever don't at her. A lot of fun was had by the three of us on Thursday night. Of course, also I have my amazing race exit interviews with the other three teams from the finale Colin Christie Tyler gory in the Afghan animals. That's all up on rob has a website dot com. Okay. Let's go ahead and patching Nicole and Victor who are on the line. Nicole and Victor. How are you? We're doing great finally back home and settle in. Well, thank you, both very much for coming on and talking with me about your experience on the race. I, I need this part of a big event, the other would you have going on? Yes. So we went to Dallas for Travelocity had finale party for us. And most of the teams gathered over there was a great time, and we had a live podcast over there for CoCo Kellyanne podcast, which you should come on at some point. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just a great time to deal the all the, you know, other racers in an environment that was not competitive. And it was just a great time. And, and it was a bittersweet moment to watch our our departure from the race. But it was it was still a great time. You guys had a great run in the amazing race being the last team that's not from the amazing race to survive to this point and the final four. But I have to imagine that it was very difficult for the two of you, because that there certainly was a familiarity for all the other amazing race teams how difficult was that at versity to have all the other teams being from the amazing race towards the end of the show. It was difficult. Because I think we made it more difficult than we should have put it was just in our minds all the time, but we knew like we weren't half bad. I mean getting like four second places where like, hey, every time we did they're like, we're not that bad. So it would give us a little bit of confidence, but then, like looking around and not knowing that they're like cream of the crop race teams it wasn't timid eating, and it was something that we thought about a why, and it was kinda like sometimes, like did we deserve to be here, like I know, we're working our boy sauce. And we're like you know, even just making barely some legs. But every time it's just like we just didn't wanna be way off. And so it was just crazy of invading team fun like making it further than them. What's the biggest difference about running the amazing race coming from big brother? It's it's there to completely, and I would say that amazing race is more difficult in the sense of every. Day is go. Go go. There's no I'm okay because my, my friend is the H O wage or I'm not on the block this week. You know, I'm not a target or I made it past veto, so I'm okay. You know, every leg of the race, you can go home and even won the leg is over. And you hit that MAC, you know, the next day you're going to be up and Adam again, to go through the same hardships. And you don't know what's coming. You don't know what the competitions are going to be, and you can get lost at anytime. There's no GPS to tell you, if you're going, the right way, so just that and the added physicality and the mental struggle and you get back to the room and you try to be compressed from day to get ready for the next day, and you're going over, like what could we have done better? Why don't we do this? And I don't know. It's just a lot of lack not lax times, like really even the downtime. Isn't like downtime? Yes, you can't lounge outside and soak in the sun and go eat food, and cook and all that. Like you do in big brother. And they're just. I mean a little bit of social game involves though, so that was something we try to be retried to get along with all the teams and like us to our vantage and but yeah, I mean there's a tiny bit of social game but not on see we need to even like good friends for you journey each other. It's crazy right in terms of u-turns that we saw over the course the season. There was a lot of drama. Did you guys have a game plan for how to deal with all that drama? Yeah. I mean you like in that, that was part of, what Nicole saga about the social game you go into trying to get, you know, friendly with everybody, and really try not to draw too much attention to yourself like getting always about. Yeah. Exactly. Because when you get to these u-turn boards, you don't want them being like oh, Nick and Baker, so strong. We wanna u-turn them. And when drama does come up, you just try to shy away as best you can and just hope for the best and, and, and it in the proper way hopefully doesn't get you turned we survived. One, but the next one, obviously I made a mistake by calling out the Afghan animal's name, but it would have been nice if they had turned on that. And that was definitely audibility. But when it came down to it, I mean, we survived that second u-turn and a really defied that, wow. You know we are an amazing race team now. We're in it, and we've gone, we've gotten a non elimination we've almost missed the flight, and we've been u-turn survived. So I think it's official now. So in that last leg, that you guys competed in that you guys were out in the boats, and you were attempting to try to row across that distance in a minute. And then you ended up switching how close had you guys come to getting to the finish line. Ooh clo, not nearly as close or as well as one would think by watching it, I think only had one good run and that was the one that they showed in. Insight because hindsight's always twenty twenty as soon as Colin Christie showed up after being there for an hour and a half, two hours, we should've left and, you know, Tyler and quarter we're still there as well. They left not long after calling in Chris showed up that should have been are to that. It was almost like a flashback of Brenton, Chris and Croatia. You know, they team showed up like oh, they should have just switched and stayed at the. Like feeling like why this dedicated to ours? Don't wanna waste those two hours but then at the same time. Yeah, we definitely should have which wave before we did. I didn't know it only four times on the tax throughout the thing. That's pretty impressive to our worth. How much total time did going on the taxi side of the detour take one? I got fifteen minute ride twenty minute ride would have been like a little an hour, a little bit more before ride. Yeah. Okay. And when we when we left in the road, like Colin Christie worse struggling, and I think that's what was like, maybe. Yeah. And it showed Vic like okay will, you know, Colin to beef and like him and they were deceasing out the whole race together like almost side by side. And he's struggling. So let's just like which we thought they'd go through the whole likes to our process. We went through, but man he cross. I don't even know how they were flipping when we left, so we had like a little bit of confidence of. Okay. We do have time. Yeah. I know that was very, very impressive. What he was able to do when you got to the market, how much time did you spend shopping for all of the different items that you needed long because we knew our dreams are crushed. Yeah. We were like. Getting there and saying Khan and Christie, assembling already months. One thing. Yeah. Pretty much everything together. And, and we're just getting our clue ago. I mean, I it, it really makes it tough to go searching. And on top of the fact that most of all the items are already gone from the market. So they're not in bunches. They're just there's only one of each item. So it makes it much harder to go fine. So I don't know how much time we spend the market before we came back and, and back down or spit on the out with Phil to toast the you know, that was it for us. Yeah. We, it was so sad. He'd on the taxiing the idea. I mean, I'm so happy for them and they want, and they are so great. But, like, in that moment, we just didn't know where they weren't his see them and for them to be able to come out allergy that was like impossible to us. It was when we lost the best, so Victor in the coating challenge that I'm sure must have been very intimidating that you come in and. Then here's a Christie and Corey they're working together. Could you tell that they were purposely not giving you any information? Yeah. And it's funny because I would hear them talking before, you know coming around the corner before I walked in the room. And then when I walked in, they was talking. And I you know, I would ask questions, and it was kinda like standoffish not re- information or hiding back their paper and I was like, well, I'm gonna have to figure this out on my own, but something that was left out is Kristy bid actually helped me and I and I got credit for that, but I had a wait until core he left the room and she was alone. And once she was alone. She it wasn't in her to just gonna help you at all. But you only get a little bit information. It's not like she gave me letters. She just kinda gave me the instructions in a way that I could understand it because reading them, I couldn't and after that I just went off on my own. But yeah, it was if a little. Ad 'cause everybody had been working together up to that point, even with us and us working with other people. We worked with a lot of exactly and so to get that, like cold shoulder was like oh, wow, this sucks. And so did feel really good to get out of there before both of them. I'm sure as we're watching the finale, you must have been talking through. Okay. We would have had a problem with this. We would have been great at this. How do you guys think you would have done on that final leg? They had done roadblocks. I had on five so I would have had to do like combination I am frayed of high. But I do memorize numbers, really. Well, and I think I'm really good at like following directions like that. You know, I'm good with numbers and it's not I would've been, like, really. Oh, would have been down there or whoever like together. But I think we would have been okay on that. And then Vic, what do you think, I think all in all? I think we would have been at the drum set and they would just how it was with the other teams. I think we would have been right there with them, putting the jumps together nervous anx to get out of there because each of the competitions, you know, the foaling I think we would have had that no problem the putting the, the disc those records together, I CD. Yeah. I'm so DNA tension diesel something like that, that I think I'd be like calling and get them in the first five, and so I think it would it came down to putting together the drum says. Anyway, from Michigan gave us that little like. Exciting. We were crushed here. It was in Michigan. How important would it be for the two of you to go back and then return to the amazing race? It depends on what type of season they're doing. But for me for like, for example, I feel like had we gone into the race with all first time racers it would have been a completely different ballgame. It goes to show if you know, out of the last five teams four of them were racing and then us so they have done it before. And so, you know if you take that out and just put us with on new racers, I think it would be a whole lot easier now, now you've done it before. So we'll never be with whatever no newbies versus vets like that. But at the same time, like even just going special. Yeah. But even going in, like I think if we went again, previous racers again, I think we do really well, because we've already tested that. Some Pacers, I think that that goes to show. No matter what other racers were in there. I don't know if there's better racer than the racers race, but, you know, they're good Ricky sees all right? So thank you both so much for a couple of I really appreciate you making some time to talk to me. Can you let the listeners know how to listen to your podcast? Yeah, you can always go to WWW dot Cova collie and pay dot com. Yeah. WWW dot co pay podcast dot com. 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Survivor 39 Episode 10 Feedback with Jessica Liese

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Survivor 39 Episode 10 Feedback with Jessica Liese

"The Non Rob Cicirino here ear for our episode number ten feedback show for survivor island with the idols. Today we're going to be joined by the Great Jessica lease to answer for all of your questions you have and boy. Do we have a lot about this week's edition of survivor so we're going to adjust on the line in Just a couple of moments to talk through all that stuff. I had these evernote. All's on Wednesday night with Shannon Gates and that had a really nice chat with T.. Bird and bird is such a wonderful person that I get to talk to and had a really you know You know a heart to heart with T. Bird about everything that I'm feeling about this Week in particular of trying to cover the show and we got into so many great things if you have a chance check out my conversation with T. bird later on this weekend. We'll also have this week in survivor. Ever history. Haley strong is going to join Jordan Kayla and myself before we get just lease online. 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DOT COM and RJ at checkout at where figs dot com Promo Code R. H. A. P.. All right let's bring in our guest for the feedback show. It is a great pleasure to get to talk some survivor survivor. With of course my great friend of course you could hear her on post show recaps and of course during our amazing race coverage coverage. Please welcome in the world's first owner of an Ra Chepe Tattoo. Jessica lease. Just how are you. I'm a I'm here rob. It's a grand in there hanging in there. It's been a week. Yeah anyway just I really appreciate you coming on. Talk with me about everything that's been going on outside of survivor survivor excluded. How have you been ob survivor excluded? I've been extremely busy but Having a great time as always Covering things over push show recaps doing a lot of freelance writing. I got a real job to. I've got a family everything. Everything's coming up jess. I guess okay all right well appreciate you being here with me to talk through everything. Thank with the the World of survivor. So of course we had our episode This week and things were much more more normal fair which I think was too many people was a return to normalcy. And a you like I. Finally the show is back for a lot of people as well. Hey what do you mean. We're going back to normal. After what happened on the show or last week. How can I? How can I look at these people? The same way What were your thoughts on the show that we got this week? I I think I was more or less in that second camp. I feel Kinda gas lit about the whole thing to be honest. I don't fault the people that are in the game apart from maybe one or two but I really feel like I don't know how I can go back to watching indeed this show the same way that I watched it before. It just doesn't feel right anymore. It doesn't feel like the same thing and this has been. I almost feel like I'm kind of been morning this week. Because you know I have been watching this show for almost two decades which when I say it out loud allowed his kind of shocking and sad. But I'm also it's become such an inextricable part of you know who I am and the things that I love you know I've been on our HP now for seven years. It's kind of become a little bit of my livelihood. I don't cover survivor for you regularly. But I've been writing writing about for other outlets and it really might love for survivor. Got Me into this podcasting and my love for survivors introduced me to all of these people is creek community. We have and it's where we invented the greatest podcasting achievement of our time the wand off. And now it's like in one week week something. So shockingly awful was so mishandled by so many people on so many levels that it just kind of knocked down a huge chunk of all this great stuff that we have built in this great love that I had for this show and after after all of this went down and after we watched production makes such a hash out of this situation and some of these conversations. We've had hat around the show and hours and hours of trying to unpack what it all happened. I can't just sit back down and be like okay. We're GONNA scheme and plot similar more. Let's get right back into the game. There is for award this week. It just can't go right back to it and I don't know honestly it's possible I I may never get back to that point but it was very very hard this week to sit down and think about it in quite the same way like. I don't think I have much of a sense of humor about it anymore so the I don't know where we go from here to be honest but I was here I did watch the episode And I guess I'll be here to see how it all plays out uh-huh and of course I might have even taken a week off or so. If I hadn't known that I was going to come on and talk to. You always talk to you like I'll watch. I'll watch three hours of C.. Span if you WANNA podcast no the only thing worse but I you know I've you've watched it and I don't feel the same way about this show that I used to again. There's a lot of. There's a lot of thoughts that I have around it in general now and it's really forced me to confront a lot of my feelings about things that happened in the past on this. Show that maybe we. We didn't really unpack hard enough and then we've kind of over unpacked the situation. It's just it's a lot to process and I think we're all still processing it but it I watched it I did. I did the homework. I'm here to talk about the show. Rewatch the episode a couple of times and and the thing is a really fun episode to talk about you know in in a vacuum but I you know doing my research. Dad went back and I was watching parts from the episode last week in the thing that one of the things that jumped out to me. was you know. Jeff at the second tribal tribal council from last week. You know was seemed like so passionate about this subject and I want to say that you know jeff the host nailed it because I think that there were still issues with How it was handled with Kelly being there talking around her? But don't forget that this was it won't be you're right I will never let it go. We'll be here until they thirty nine and it seemed like you just wanted to get so in indy into the you know though the weeds on this and hey let's let's talk about it and it just seems like such a departure churn that Jeff the executive producer now as opposed to you know where he was at the tribal council. Yeah I've never seen anybody. Let something than go harder than Elsa and yeah and there we have it like I. It was like it hadn't happened. It was like okay. We're all done done with this now. Now it's time for a new episode I think we pretty much did let it go. Yeah and I'm just thinking about like in the aftermath now in terms of the interview Jeff probst gave Dalton Ross in terms of like you know ver- very short answers a about that did not seem to want to jump into into weight and talk about this and I felt like that last week for the most part I thought that Jeff guys like you know not universal praise but I think that people were like go good good for Jeff for wanting to get this out in the open and talk about this. Yeah I don't Know Jeff did an okay job uh-huh and he did like a C.. Minus job which is better than I was going to expect out of somebody like Jeff Mine there. He could have done better. I I think I think there is room in there for him to actually facilitate a real dialogue and the fact that he didn't let Kelly talk was a really the big oversight in my opinion and this week to have him just back to regular old. Jeff was very jarring. Yeah let me play a question bastion about this from Morgan straddling. Who has some thoughts and questions about this? Hi Robyn Jessica. This is Morgan straddling. So historically jeff is never been one to shy away from controversy and he's always pushing the characters at tribal council to get more out of them and we saw him do this with Dan. Two who episodes ago when Dan just really wanted to drop the whole sexual harassment thing and Jeff wouldn't let them however in the week after that episode aired Jeff himself has been pretty tight lipped lipped and very vanilla about the whole situation when he's talking about it which makes me think that there's some sort of lawsuit involved similar. What happened with Richard Hatch in Sue Hawk from survivor all stars anyway? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks I mean again I A. I'm not a lawyer is that is that a possibility here. Hey there are people's hands tied and talking about this. I don't think people's hands are tied. I think out the real world right now. I don't think people really relish the idea of having to unpack it. Yeah and I I. Honestly I don't blame either Aaron Her missy for declining their exit interview this week. I don't think it had anything to do with what. CBS was or was not telling them to do and by the way. I'm so oh happy that you had a chance to talk Jamal. I thought that was a really great interview even if it was a little short I don't know honestly and I'm sure they couldn't comment. I'm an honoured if there was some kind of legal situation going on. I think it's just more that I would guess that production just wants to keep a tight lid on this. So that that they can save their franchise because if we keep talking about this the way that we have been talking about this and I understand that are fan. Circles are kind kind of an echo chamber and the wider world of survivor. FANDOM may not take a huge hit but it also might take a huge hit and I'm not sure. Production wants to risk ask any further damage to the brand. Which is why we're getting such terse answers from everybody and potentially also why we're not getting the exit exit press? Yeah on the subject of the exit press this week just in case you missed it that Dalton also reported that missy and Aaron. We're not GONNA do exit press. Mike Bloom did have an email exit interview with Aaron. And we can touch on that. But let's play this question here. This is from Kelsey. Hi Jessica. It's just Kelsey Northern California. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about Aaron and MRI opting out of doing exit. Press this is something we've seen a lot. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about their decision to do this. Thank you guys so much by Al.. I touched on this on the Tibor. podcast of that. You Know I. I don't know what they what they've been through. And I and I did see on twitter that there Y- what was In one of the tweets that Dalton Rawson made that Davey and Julia Carter had responded about. You know that we don't know the levels of hate that I missing. Aaron might have got last week and you know threats that might have been made against them. You know we. I don't know I just feel like that. You know talking about these things. Things are only an opportunity to help make the situation better but I. I saw that people have a really strong strong opinions about this. I'd say disappointing. We don't get to hear from the survivors. But you know let's let's not get too carried away about it but Mike had the exit. The email email interview with Aaron where Aaron had talked about what was going on with the warnings that were given to the contestants and I said that this was really widely circulated on social media today about how you know. Just just how much of a warning deed everybody. Nobody ended up getting and so that Aaron described the Mike IT S. The question did the meeting with production. Play into the day's events at at all and what Aaron said was our production came about ten minutes before our immunity challenge. My experience talk was Aaron. We want you to know if if you don't feel comfortable or safe please. No we are here for you. We want everybody to feel safe out here. Very out of the blue. I thought to myself as a standard do they do this season. I have no clue just very vague blanket statement telling me if I ever felt unsafe. I should let production now Roger that guys now I can focus on winning immunity. There was never any any indication in that something was going on that some someone had issues. It just seemed like a standard halftime meeting. And that. That's what that's what Aaron it had to say about the meeting from the production staff around that time of the double episode. Yeah I bred. Mike's Severi surprisingly thorough interview with Erin. I thought it was thought it was really great. And I'm glad that we were able to get a little bit more information on that and honestly it's really it's really kind of baffling to ponder. They what could they possibly have have said to Dan. They might. That might literally have been all they said like you know if you're feeling unsafe or if you think anybody else's feeling unsafe maybe because of something someone in this camp might have done it. I mean I'm not GonNa sit here and say that I think. Dan had no clue that he was making people uncomfortable with things he did. Because when someone tells you to stop doing something just stopped doing it okay. All anybody wants out of anything in life and survivor. But I can imagine that. This Ito slow crawl across the screen of at this point. Production should intervened and gave Dan Stern warning. That might have been all it actually was and if that's the case then I'm even more irritated with production and I am. I'm just baffled by. How Ham fisted this? They're handling of this whole situation has has been now. I will say that we don't know necessarily just because that's the conversation that Aaron got it doesn't mean conversely I mean that there was no concern that anybody any of the guys were having an issue with Dan and so that they were having adding a conversation with with everybody. I don't know necessarily what you know unless they were GonNa ask the I I think with the integrity of the game. They were trying to maybe not trying to like like the name names to Aaron but just sort of like you have the same general conversation with with Aaron but We don't own it. Certainly what they might have said with the women versus with one of the guys like Aaron so I don't know if we should necessarily leap to. That was the same conversation that they had with everybody already and that. Dan was so oblivious. Because I just I went back and I watched the first episode of the season where Dan had the you know he had his head on on Kelly's leg in the shelter and she talked about how she was a Germaphobe but that was actually very disturbing to end up. Go back. Dan Rea watching. He's like giving. He's like a putting his his hand on the back of her shirt to give her a massage and and it really was like the the way that it all ends up playing out like I found that to be very disturbing to watch in hindsight insight based on what she goes on to say about him and that she did not invite him to be giving her that type of a back rub in the shelter alter well thank you for going back and watching that rob So that the rest of us don't have to. I think if I if I was made of sterner stuff if I think I probably would have gone back and given another watch enhanced my understanding of it but I'm just I'm so proud and they have a whole conversation about it in ATF in the first episode and and we see Kelly is talking with Janet about Janet also volunteers at the time that yes and Molly Molly also feels the same way and Dan and Kelly have a whole conversation about it and he's like yeah I get it I get it. I got it so may seem like that for him to like. How many times can feign like? Oh no idea no idea about any of this like I know. He's talking about me so I don't know I don't know all right. Let's let's talk a little bit about the the the game aim of all this. I know there's no easy way to pivot but I'd rather talk about. Yeah okay good okay. Great well let me play. This email l.. From Josh Spalding. Hey Guys Gosh bombing calling from the Hampshire. Obviously last week Ways on everybody's mind and everything about it and you know how it last week effects this week etcetera etcetera but I wanNA take this episode in itself. This episode is in any other season or is earlier in the season. This would have to be considered a pretty good episode of survivor right. I mean we had a twist with the tracks getting split up. We had two people who were disputed to go home. Who didn't go home? They had one math of line side. We had an underdog doc signed an idol. We had someone who was emerged as a hero. Come out great out of a situation where looks pretty dire for And we didn't Have anybody get screwed over by an idol island of the idol swamp. So I mean really. There's there was a lot in this episode. That was a good episode of survivor. If you put it in any other season obviously coming after last week there's a lot we might not have gone but I think looking looking at the episode in any other season or earlier this. This season has to be a pretty good episode right. Thanks again rod for all your fantastic work last week. It was a lot of listening and a lot of press listening but a really great to hear so many different perspectives. So many different people talk about what went on and what happened and how they reacted too so keep up the great work as always appreciate appreciate it. Thanks a lot Josh. Yeah just if your DVR happened to not record last week's episode. I think you're probably saying like Oh this visit a really good season. Yeah you know. He's not wrong. It was a really fun episode and there are enough people left in the game. That have really fun. Stories that are great characters like how great was or this episode and even charisma who is a very polarizing character after I understand but she had some really I would say the classic Educ term is a CPAP edit yes what what is c. p. p.. It's it's a complex personality. Yes so it's like you can't say she's getting a positive or negative at it because she got these really heartfelt moments where she's really growing as a person and she's playing really incredible game but yet she's also driving everyone around her crazy. It was fantastic to watch And missy storyline I think that that arc with actually you know really fun to follow over the course of the season from even the beginning of the season where missy was telling charisma what to do she really. She felt like she had charisma in her. Back pocket the whole way and then to you know have charisma ultimately do her in you know it was really fun. Television in terms of how that whole storyline played out. Just we went back and forth on the note in terms of right move wrong move to vote against missy. Did you have a thought on that. I thought I thought Shannon laid it out beautifully. Fli I was. I was fused going in. I wasn't sure how I stood on it but Shannon sold me on it. She's she's right. It was really good is one hundred percent at the right move. And she's kind of moved into the camp. She really made the case that she did a great job. But I just I I think back to Sandra with Russell where if somebody tells you they want to take you to the and as a goat like I just think of Sandra in heroes vs villains where that same exact thing happened. Where Russell's like I wanNA take you to the end because I can beat you and Sandra in confessional tells us well I don't know about out that and and I just feel like that if somebody wants to take it to the end like go to the end that that's that's great and I don't know if Tommy necessarily is going to end up wanting wanting to do that so I feel like that he was a big threat to but I understand the you know storytelling from You know It was so great. I love how that all ended up playing out. There was so many fun moments also and You know read. It was really good at at pulling a bunch of them the wink between Tommy and charisma I said in the beginning of the season I wanted to track the gifts of the season and that one is is really fun. Yeah there were. There were many giftable movements. This I this season on the whole has really provided a lot of GIF ability but the the the winking gift I think I've watched about one hundred times it never gets old. It's it's so great. How great is that? Why don't you just like let's? It's just get rid of the final four fire making challenge. Replace it with a winking challenge. Yeah you haven't seen it I tweeted it out with the question thread on twitter for this podcast with just but it Tommy winks had charisma and she really really struggles with giving Tommy the wingback. My my my three year old is trying to learn how to wink right now. And it's it's about. He's worse than she is at but not hard. It's hard because the kids can blink but it's hard to just do one I. Yeah it takes a lot of practice spell. I am confident that we will get there and I mean. The episode opened with Charisma. After she had that really rough night I had the rat on her and this was her experience with the rat. Faith of Arc de I'm sorry as long again can i. Can I point out that Christmas first reaction when the rat jumps in her face is to apologize to the rest of the tribe for making a scene about a rat being in her face. Yeah that's that's some consideration there. I'm not sure I would have the presence of mind to apologize by if Iraq came into my mouth so it was that rough night for charisma and then Jess I guess this is appropriate. Because you cover the walking dead that we got to see like Krishna turned Zombie. Zombie charisma wandering around. Yeah she was she was very tired and I understand those feelings. That's certainly certainly. I'm not even out there on the island and I have felt that way about being with these people Or a lot of the past week but I did find it really interesting. The way that she played that like they were threatening to have medical. Come take a look at Medevac. Her it's like you know that people don't get unless they're on the brink of death And that was it was just interesting. She's going to kind of let them go that direction she didn't. She knew full well that nothing would happen if medical came in and took a look at her. Do you feel like that. She was one hundred percent playing possum and that she was I was just completely faking them out or do you think that it was sort of like a half and half at least I think it was about half and half. I'm sure she felt miserable. grable I think that is hard to fake but I also think that she knew what the perception of it would be anyway so so she played it up a little bit if not necessarily to elicit sympathy but just to kind of maybe even take the target offer back a little bit. Yeah I mean she did fall asleep sleep standing up in a hammock. That's impressive. I wish I could do that. That's great yeah I mean what a what a gift that that would be able to just fall all sleep in any position standing kind of like a forty five degree angle. Whatever that would be a true superpower it would like this might be she got cast on the show? This might have been something like. She trucked out in the middle of her casting interview like by the way I can sleep in any position also one of the things that I've noticed over the course of the season that Nora doesn't like people don't go get coconuts. That seems to be that I I forget who wasn't me. I think it was in one of the interviews that somebody told me. Nora is just opening coconuts all day long and she just needs a constant supply apply of coconuts. She needs people getting coconut and she's very upset that that charisma doesn't really get coconuts. That Krishna was gone for a long time. She comes back north. Says you only got two coconuts and she is not supplying Nora with enough coconuts. I don't know though this felt like this felt to me a lot lot like it was tantamount to nor telling charisma to go look for an idol. I feel it should be sent somebody off into the woods by themselves. Isn't that what they're kind of doing. Yeah I mean how would you assume assume they were not doing that. Seem back was waiting for somebody to go. Tell him to go. Look for coconuts kidding. I mean he probably wouldn't have made it very far. He'd probably felt by tree branch. But yeah but Nora really was starting to lay into charisma. Sma I feel like that Nora really can read people like She really The when she when she gets going she doesn't stop nor she. She does not open a coconut. She does not go get water. You inches an eighty five year old woman that has a sense of entitlement. I don't need to kill myself. I'm part of the elderly group like you guys. Just take care of me. She's crazy this is survivor. We're still here. Do you WANNA be here. Show US you know. Maybe you. He's like how she had one of those long diatribes about Jamal recently. Like these are people that you know. She then then thinly turns around but she's like not really that against Bush when she gets going Nora. Watch out well. I wish I knew who at least I could remember. WHO said this on twitter because it was it made me laugh a lot and I want to properly credit them? They said that People complaining about about people not helping out around camp after the merge is the coldest take. Yeah right right that Nora was arguing that one of the reasons that Janet should stay is because that she works around camp. Yeah if it's twenty nineteen again. The show has been on on for nearly two decades. We're coming up on season. Forty it has not been about. Who helps you survive For a very very long time in fairness fairness it's just season one for Nora. That is a good point. They she does know who Robin Sandra are definitely. Does it definitely knows who they are. But Yeah anybody that's watching survivor. In the Year of our Lord Twenty nine thousand nine hundred and thinking this is a show about people making it in the Wilderness. I think I think they've kind of missed. Something and Nora in other ways. She's surprised is me with her game playing accurate and she's doing much better than I thought she would. But I think there are some facets of survivor she may not be fully prioritizing in the ideal. Banner Okay I I just want to keep going on on charisma or on nor I feel like I have stuff on both. I'm I have a lot more thoughts on Krishna okay. Let's keep going with charisma because I want to talk about her discussion with MRI because MRI ends up coming up with the plan and they get into it and Krishma is just just not having it. She doesn't want to go along with the MRI plan. And then screw Christmas. Storms off and missy tries to engage her in conversation Asia. Krishna you WanNa talk the answer is no you know I wanNA talk. I'd rather wait until your emotions mumber. I'm Super Calm Krishna. How long would you like to read? I don't have a watch. Sleeps I feel more comfortable. Just never watch. You're not allowed to bring watches anymore. Yeah she charisma risk after she talked about how that missy needs to be to calm down a little girl I'm going to need you to calm. Down Charisma Charisma went full kids. Bob Caron on MRI. Why do you have a sound clip of kids carrying but we did talk about kids? Bob Caron on news af but I did cut for this episode the get go watch kids Karen Again SOCAILLE. I'm sure it'll be useful again in the future. Yeah but that was so great. And when she tells her I I don't have a watch and just KRISHMA KRISHMA versus MRI. Do you think that missy was out of line. Well I think missy just missed a crucial aspect of gameplay which is you can't just put someone in your pocket and assume that they're just going to go along with whatever you say even though you treat them like garbage the other nine tenths of the game I'm like I don't know how any aspect of what missy was. Pitching was appealing to Krishna. Didn't sell it to her. She didn't make. It seem like they had any kind of deal. Didn't even try to make a deal. She's just like oh well. You know. We're on a tribe together in the beginning and you're still with me right. Why what's what's in it for Krishna? We're not just all going to fall in line to give me a win. Just hand the W I know ws taste great but it's it's like you have to make charisma feel like they're advantageous for her to go with you and she really did a terrible job. aww That yeah missy really did not keep it a secret that she wanted to have charisma go to the end and be a goat for her and she really did a bad job of you know making her excited about that and I don't think we have to look too far from from To See the Statue of Boston Rob who did a much better job back in survivor redemption island with Philip where that rob identified early on. Okay fill up going to go to the end with Philip and he. He really like kept Philip very excited about what they were doing doing the whole game where Philip never felt any animosity. Love Boston Rob. Well I think the key difference between Philip and charisma is that Krishna has an an incredible amount of self awareness. Gino's exactly who she is and what she's about what she's good at and what she's not good at and I think most of the rest of the players players have underestimated this about her. They just assumed that because she's not particularly good at the game in the ways that other people around her are she's not not terribly great at the social game but that doesn't mean she's not smart doesn't mean she doesn't know herself and I think if you're gonNA take a goat like that all the way to the end if you're going to cultivate your goat yeah you have to get a goat. That doesn't necessarily know they aren goat. Yeah you can't treat them like a goat. Yeah you can't treat them like a goat and somebody or you do treat them like like a goat and your very candid with them and you have a conversation where your very real with them. which I don't think missing was doing a whole lot out of that either like I think that's a conversation? You could have with Krishna where it's like. Yeah I know how you're perceived Yudo how you're perceived. Maybe that works for both of us. Maybe we can work together on this and I don't think missy had that conversation either I think she just assumed that charisma didn't know what was going on and didn't have any perception of what anybody really thought about her. And that's where missy failed. Yeah with to go back to Robyn. Philip relationship looks like a Filipino. You'll really my my number one and you know don't tell anybody but you know we're we're secret best friends and don't tell anybody and and and and that's the way that you pull that off but it's not that there was no point where missy was ever nice to charisma. May Krishna feel like Oh actually MRIs number one. Elizabeth is getting sold a bill of goods. But I'm I'm really who missy wants to be sitting there at the end with. She was just like okay. You're lucky and I'll keep you around for as long as I can. Yeah and I think sometimes I think if you're a position of power you forget the everybody's vote counts exactly the Saito also. I think that this swap also ended ended up being a big part of it. Because I think that missy might have looked at Krishna as a vote in her pocket pre swap. But I think that once they got to the merge I I have a feeling that missy didn't give too much thought to charisma because they didn't need her number. That Krishna was on the bottom. She was going to be one of the people that got voted out and now all all the sudden they end up in this situation where okay that they need her vote and now it's like okay. Well Hey Krishna you're back to being being a vote for us and we're GONNA take out Tommy. Tonight and charisma was hold on. Well you didn't have anything to do with me since we got to the merge you were part of this new posts swap Foci and missy probably didn't do anything to cultivate that relationship the whole time after the merge. Yeah I think that's I. I think that's very accurate. And I think missie may have been banking on the fact like. Oh we were. We were out there together in the beginning. That's gotTa count for something and they were even in an alliance together for a hot second but there's so much game that has happened between now and then and I also think I think the point. It is very valid that maybe Chris might have been more receptive to it if she had not found an idol. This episode which I kind of lit a fire under her got her more excited sighted made her realize that she has some leverage in this game and she can pull some moves off and she doesn't necessarily need to just is being someone's pocket. Yeah the charisma with the idol. Let me play this other clip because the pocket is not where Krishna Rush McKee the idol. Thankfully I haven't immunity idol in my shot seabrook over here trustee bra over here. What is it like a utility Ludi Bell? Does she have a brush. Trust less. I mean I know I know that's a spectrum out in the real world but since when you get to bring bras awesome survivor. Yeah it makes it sound like. It's like a her lucky undergarment. Any any undergarment you're wearing while you're not getting voted out of survivors drivers. You're lucky undergarment right if it was a different article of clothing like I've got the immunity idol over here in my lucky cargo shorts trustee cartridge. Either one yeah got it in my lucky socks with my kid on them. Okay Let me play you. Question from Brent from Minneapolis about charisma and moving forward I rob. Hi Hi Jessica. This is Brent from Minneapolis. And I really WanNa talk about goats obviously in this season. We're talking about charisma and I want to know if you think it's possible for for a player to UN goat themselves like once you're a goat can you unquote. It's obvious that the you know felt like Krishna was gonna be her zero vote finalists in the end and honestly I think Tommy and Laura feeling the exact same way that they can bring Chris over to their side and then they've got to go on. The goats was moving back and forth. But but I think the edit has been really interesting for Christmas. She's been seen as this like buffoonish character unfortunately where she's like tripping over things and she's talking about the weather or or other things and people are laughing her or they're annoyed by her You Know Nora obviously talks really disparagingly or better in the beginning beginning of this episode and we even see Krishna kind of falling asleep. What looks like standing up against the Hammock And then Nora finally pushes her out of camp to go do something useful. Guess get coconuts but then we get to see Krishna find an idol and when we see her on the tribe of five live you know I think as the audience really expecting her to screw that up and at least play her idol poorly Especially since we saw Janet Annette misplayed or her idol. When she didn't need to but we in there was a moment? Where like you know? They pan from person to person. Jason when Jeff says if you have an idol. Now's the time to play and we see all these faces. Were waiting to see Christmas face and we see the cool calm collected charisma that she promised us in the very first minute of the season. Are we seeing charisma. Unquote can anyone on on goat. has anyone ever unguarded. I Really WanNa know what you think. Thanks okay all right. Very good question Brennan Long question but a good good question of Ken Charisma herself. It's an interesting thought. I think Brent has is just sold me on something that almost lights a tiny spark of excitement again because if this is the end game were getting this thing that I've just conjured in my head if this is the end game we're getting I might be back on board. This might be the one thing that saves survivor for me. A CHARISMA WIN EH. Yeah Krishna Win and not just a Krishna Win a full-fledged Charisma Redemption Ark where she started the game in one place and she hit rock bottom and then she came back? She found an idol she rallied. She found herself. She discovered the well of love that she has I self at the well of loved that our family has for her. She used that strength to drew on it. She found a social game and she fought her way to the end and turned in a brilliant lawyerly. Tribal Council performance. Crisp win might save the season for me. And I don't know I would term this an UN- goten tuning so much. I don't think a goat is a goat goat until where you are at at the end at tribal council. I don't you become a goat until you go to the end. Everybody else's potential goat. Everybody else has the potential you. Siamese simultaneously simultaneously are and are not a goat depending on. Who else has you in their possible in game scenarios so? I think anybody could be a goat at this point. Some people looking at Krishna with the idea that she could become the goat but she can't because she's not the goat yet And Krishna is very good at these tribal. Oh councils that I do think that she could do well in the final tribal council. I'm just wondering that there's so many players that are in the game that have like this negative perception about her late. Yeah where people like missy and Nora feel like okay. Well she's not doing anything we're we're dragging her along and nor was literally dragging her long When they did that challenge in the sand? I just wonder you know what would it take for people to come around on charisma. If she's the one that puts them on the jury she could point it every single person there. And they're like Bull Krishna. You didn't do anything she'd be like. Well what did I do. I put you there. Yeah you're where you are because of me. I think that is a powerful argument if she spins. Is it the right way. And you know there's always the jury that's bitter that doesn't want to reward. The person kicked them out of the game. But there's also if it's if it spun the right way and I think if anybody can spin it that way a lawyer can If it spun the right way you can respect that and and you can see if she can draw a very clear picture of what she's done in the game then I think she's got a shot at it. I don't know what it's a huge shot. I think it is very very outside chance. I don't think she makes it to the end and if she does. I don't think the jury will reward the kind of game she's played. But what if they did rob what if they did. That would be so cool. It would be wild. Especially where Brent references that she opened the season how she was going to be cool calm and collected charisma and I really thought another interesting part of her arc was when she got to the swap. She talked about how while she was in the that her her parents had the arranged marriage and she wasn't sure if you know her relationship with her husband was does the was right for her and then she sort of like had a realization in this episode about House. Like you know. I've been trying this game to find anybody to work with me and I realized that I have somebody at home who loves me and I thought that that was sort of a a a really you know under the radar part of her story which is sort of come to light this week. Well there you go complex personality. Why are they showing us? That if charisma is is pure buffoon she's not They want us to have that hope. They want us to like that about her. They want us to think she could really pull something out how she is transforming and why do they want us to feel like Christmas. Transforming if not to see her spread her wings and collect a million dollars at the end she has not been to the island of the idol. And I've said a couple of times this season that I do think that Krishna is the person this season that most embodies Sandra anybody anybody but me. I think that she's been the person who's willing to go. You know a you know any which way on these votes and I really would love to see Sandra have that one on one. Talk With Charisma Rob this you probably have some voicemails about this but this does bring me to something that I'm finding nding irritating about the island of the idols. which is that? That is the conversation I want to see. That's the sort of thing I wished the island of the idols was there for. I wish it was a think tank. I I'm so sick of survivor school. I want I want to go to the island of the idols and Sandra to sit down and say okay. So we've been watching you. We're seeing what you're doing and here's how you're perceived here's what we think you could be doing differently. Here are the people we think you should be reaching out to. What do you think about that? It's like the family visit when somebody's spouse gets to come to camp and spend the night and it's like you've got that extra person in the game who doesn't have the immediacy of the pressure of having to play. It's a neutral party that you can bounce ideas off of and people get a fire litter that after they've had a chance to talk things out with someone who's not directly being affected by the game who whose only role is to support you. What if that was Robin Sandra's job? What if you go to island the idols and they're actually literally coaching and mentoring? You and giving you advice on the situation that you specifically are in that would be great. That would be so much better television than what we're getting. You make a really good point because that was kind of like what. We were are advertised that this was going to be where. Okay Oh rob and Sandra are coaches. And that's GONNA they'll get people to be more aggressive and people won't be sheep in the end. Just follow some of the end and you know they'll get everybody okay. Oh you should be thinking about this thinking about this and I think that that would be good and not just like you know. Oh a you got zonked today. Yeah it's like Jim Hall opened a piece of paper and there was a donkey inside it. Yeah so oh that would be better if we could really like sorta like okay. Let's let's sit down and they're like consulting. Yeah I mean the one downside I can see to. That is that I think we would have a lot of tin foil. Hat types pointing out that this could be construed as production interference. What if Robin Sandra give really really good advice to one contestant and then less good advice to another contestant are they seen as favouring the one they give good advice two or if one piece of advice works and it doesn't is that favouritism are they do? They have their thumb on the scales in some way. So that's that's a hard thing to get around but man that that would be so much better than what we're getting if they actually. It actually seemed like there was any reason they were sitting in the snug playing mystery Science Theater Tribal Council three thousand. Yes because the lessons that they've done have not really you know born any fruit. It wasn't like that there was anything that they taught missing. Something something where they taught. Somebody is specific lesson and then it really ended up paying dividends other than you know you win the prize that they're offering. I mean it could yet. We did witness fire making lesson that might pay off. I guess. So what if that's the long game like what. What if that's the only the reason that that happened? They give Elizabeth afire making lesson and then she like wins. Final four fire making and that was literally the only Boston Robin Sandra payoff off. We can't yeah all right. Well let me bring in Elizabeth question that may maybe Elizabeth could make the final four liberty. Play this question from Lexi hair. T-bird it's Lexi from Wisconsin. Originally cheaper. I see so I have a question smell Elizabeth and her game going forward now that missy and Aaron both went home she was super upset at Tribal Council and said out loud. How Aaron was number one for her and then missy goes home and it was already clear that they were very close? So do you think this helps her game because all her closest allies went home. And you'll be a free agent that people can use for vote or do you think she's the next one out out the door let me know love. Ut so are we saying. She's a Mike Holloway. Or an Elizabeth Hasselbeck. What's the distinction? What's on Mike? Collier and Elizabeth Hasselbeck my call away somebody who loses all his allies and then is like gun for throughout the rest of the game but manages to pull out a win in in the end. There's somebody that They like so much they don't want to get rid of her they limp. She limps along until the last pot. She's a last possible option to vote no doubt and then they just voted out Yeah I'm going. There's a better analog. If somebody who ends up kind of getting the rest of their allies yanked out from under them and then causes chaos. Maybe at Chris from Vanuatu is an obvious example all the other dudes get voted out and he just kind of rolls goals along in like flips back and forth and gets the women to take other out. Yeah in in Elizabeth Specific Case. Though do you think that it. She ends up being the target. Sooner or do you think that they sort of forget about her. Now that missy and Aaron are gone well I think she seems to be not necessarily perceived as a leader within that alliance so it is conceivable that people will forget. She's around for a couple of votes or they might just decide. They need to completely extinguish that entire threat Before moving onto something else. But I'm not sure we have. I've seen we've seen more strategic shops out of Elizabeth than I thought we were going to from the beginning because she did come into this game as someone who wasn't terribly familiar with it but but she seems to have picked it up pretty quickly and she aligned with the right people to get her this far. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that she manages manages to kind of wedge yourself into some of these sub alliances and caused some damage before she goes out. But I don't see I don't see a path in the end for her. See I do see a path for her but I think that it involves a lane picking her backup where when I got to the swap. I thought that she was Elaine's closest ally and it seemed like that Elizabeth had she was tight with missy and then she was also tight with a lane and then the and she seemed to be then all in with MRI. That Elaine was more on the outs but now with missy gone I could see her ending up with Elaine. Elaine and I feel like that Elaine. We saw that relationship that she had with charisma This week and if Elaine can pick dean backup and get dean back on their side. I'd like I really do feel like that. There is a chance that we could see a reemergence of original Lyra. Well that's if Elizabeth isn't too salty Saltergate Elaine. Because you will recall that. She was instructed to kill her slowly and Jonathan. Yes yeah but no he's GONNA listen. I think she's going to be upset. Yeah I don't think if this reconciliation happens. I don't think it happens overnight. Yeah I think Elizabeth was really out of it this episode that we saw her in the beginning of the episode jets where she got rained on all night. And I I've said for years like that's like the one thing that doesn't really translate to watching the show at home. It's just how how much it sucks when it rains on survivor. And especially these nights where it rains. Where you're you're a cold and you're freezing and your wet you also you can't sleep I mean it? Is You know as as much as you are tortured as a survivor. Where it's just they the endless night of just being unless you're charisma and you can Maybe sleep standing up. It's it's just You know the worst part of being on survivor. Elizabeth was out of it. Then she ends up getting as you go to tribal council. She's Aaron on the jury and she seemed like she she was really stunned about that. And then somehow this was her at the tribal council where they had a whole thing. Where missy and Krishna were supposed to be fighting and they asked Elizabeth about it and she said I was there with Missy and Krishna today and I thought it went fantastic? I think we bridge the gap between both of their personalities. was she not on top of the plan. Yeah this seems like an incorrect. Read no matter which way it was going. It's either okay. What we saw what we saw transpire in the edited waited for television version? Was Chris just kind of shutting missy out and not really wanting to entertain the offer but we also saw this conversation like we're gonNA pretend to fight either way like whichever version of that is the actual version. They're going with that is actually true. It's going fantastic and we're working with. Krishna is not the response that Elizabeth is supposed to give in that moment with might be out of it a little bit or maybe she's playing fourth dimensional chess yet. That might be that might be it. Okay just let me take a moment and thank a sponsor here before we go any further ahead and I wanted to mention a new sponsor to the show where I think you might like. It's called US edition and use. This Shin allows people to have the ability to learn earn an instrument over a Internet enabled device like a phone or a Pan that you know that seven hundred ten. An adult's wish. 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Yeah he's got he's definitely I want him for right. Percussion Section Yeah and you know Jack did a lot out of that cappella stuff. So yeah maybe we just need like we'll take the musician voice lessons and will form the AP course fantastic fantastic Jack Jamal. Did you watch any of the ponderosa videos with them. I caught I caught them performing together a little bit. Yeah so that's Nice Nice I feel like that twenty days at Ponderosa I feel like a that. Seems like a dream to me. You know it's probably ably better than going on vacation in Patagonia with Rudy and Tina. Yeah Yeah Miss Rudy misery. Okay all right all right they just let me ask you a little bit about a lane and when I went back and I watched the episode a second time I was really you. You know pretty amazed with Elaine mets aroun- had a question about her and let me bring in the great creator of of mets blog. Dot Com mets around a robbed. It's Matt I have a question about a lane who I feel like up until the last minute of this past episode. I think she'd been playing a really good game name you bobs and weaves to make people laugh you know Kinda like Santa. She first throws people under the bus only when someone else does I yet last night. She openly threw herself under the bus in front of the jury You know by emitting MRI bed. It was her that she flipped I don't understand why. Not let Tommy take the hit. He was the one up until that point missy how I think was at fault because of him looking her in the eye and basically saying I'm sorry only then it does Elaine. Get up to put on show. I don't get it. What did I miss and why might have been a smart not stupid thing to do? Thanks bye just the whole fallout of MRI. Getting voter was so bizarre. All the way around this was I've never seen someone. Go Out of the game quite like this. You don't usually get to address people directly right after you get voted out like before your torch even gone out. This was this was very new to me. Yeah I mean usually people are so stunned they pick up the torch and just leave and you know missy was just like you know I like Stammering around because who is like. She didn't know what hit her. Yeah it was. I think you're allowed ought to be stunned. When you get voted out especially in a big blindside like that but it was very it was very strange? It was like the first time we saw somebody get up and like whispered to somebody else. A during tribal council. Yeah took a couple of minutes to like collect herself and like I guess. She picked up the wrong torch She had this weird exchange with Tommy came after me. Come after you. What but she did like okay? Here's the thing about all of this like this voicemail question this exchange. We just heard everybody. Who's sitting there either voted for MRI? Or Tommy I mean if you're missy you did vote for Tommy. You did come after him and also I think. Of course he's going to vote for missy because he can't vote for himself. He's got to vote for one of the two people. I don't think we necessarily early blame him. For being the catalyst here and I think I think missy probably was more interested in who had flipped and she probably kind of already pretty knew the answer. In that moment you see the sliding puzzle clicking together in her head for Elaine even says anything yeah but she was Elizabeth. Yeah I don't. I don't think she thought it was Elizabeth. I color me crazy but I I kinda think I would. I would not suspect Elizabeth in that in that moment. Um but let me bring this back to Matt's question which was for a for a lane to then say to MRI that like that. She was the one that did it did. Do you think that was a bad game. Play move for Elaine. Well why is it a bad move. She's taking credit for it right then and there I mean it's not terribly stealthy stealthy I guess. But it's also like that's ten seconds. Chicken Savin Final Tribal Council Yeah I mean it's in front of the jury I think I think that it was a pretty good move. I I mean that where it's a in terms of overall winning the game. I think what it could make. A bad move is is where we see so much on survivor. Where especially this season? Oh that person looking like a they have a shot to win all right look get get them voted out next and so i. I think that we could see a basically like all throughout the Thirties on survivor. We see somebody make a big move and then they end up being the next person to go home because then everybody targets them because because they have a good shot to win then can I just say I love the way. The pendulum is swinging in that regard. I think that's really fun to watch. Because one thing that I think made the first half of the season really compelling. Is that all of the people that you would have looked at them on paper and said these are the ones that are going far like that is not what's happening here. And so we get all of these crazy characters that would have gone out pre emergent any other season and that's fun every so often and I liked that that the person most likely to win the person we gotta get rid of immediately. I think that's a really fun strategy to base your season around and I liked that with Scott. This did this motley crew of people left and people that I think in any other season might not have a shot to win. Charisma might actually have a shot to win in a season like this. If these are the people were taken out. So that's that's fun. Yeah there's talk in the preview about the goat army and we do have a a lot of people that we could talk about as these potential goats and I just. I do think it's interesting that they could they band together. I love the goat army. I'm I'm here for the goat army. I know that I know that we have gotten blowback on the expression to be here for something but can I be here for this at least yeah you'll need says it. Is Dan part of the goat army. Because I kind of feel look is oh yeah. Can I root for everybody in the army except for Dan I mean is good bone and the closest. We've comes to this yeah. Good bone is a pretty solid example of this Yeah I think I think we saw in Gabode people using and strategies that had worked in just about every survivor season up to this point and then they just really didn't forget bone if the goat army takes hold here. What does this say about Robin Sandra's presence here on the season? Where you end up with Robin Sandra and and we have like the most like upside down backwards survivor season? And and you know like ending crew mal you know maybe if Robin Sandra had spent some some time actually coaching these people as some of them might have been better at the game. Yeah Nick Snow has a question about a elaine. As well as a lane getting enough credit I strategic gameplay she seems to be underestimated in that regard by both the other players and the viewers. Jessica what do you think about. Elaine's game well. I really loved the way that t-bird phrased this in your interview with her because I think she was spot on about it. I think I think lane lane is underestimated a little bit because the kind of intelligence that she espouses as not the kind of like Harvard. MBA The super super for cerebral. Kind of smarts Go to fancy harbor parties. She didn't go to fancy having parties she but she is smart and she's extremely extremely perceptive and she's good at things that I don't think you can even necessarily learn and I think that is a kind of intelligence that sometimes gets lost on the average viewer and so yeah I one hundred percent think that lane is being underestimated especially deep in the intelligence arena. Yeah I really could see Elaine. Pulling this thing out I'm starting to see that sort of crystallize. I could see Elaine win. I the only thing that I would say does not point to Elaine. WYNN is the edit I think there were huge chunks of time where we didn't see any elaine whatsoever and I think that makes it really hard to think think that she has the potential to win because she disappeared from the story for a huge chunk of time she has disappeared but when she comes out she comes out in a big way The first episode. She was all over the first episode. The episode where Jason Got Voted out where. She went to the island of the idols that that she was like the star that episode. And then you know she has a big episode here this week and I think even more so than Tommy I feel like that Elaine was responsible for getting to flip over now. I think I think that's definitely how the edit portrayed it as well So yeah I think a lane has a a shot at this thing. A what about Tommy that people say Tommy has a looked really good and on paper. He does seem like that that he is going to be the person that you know. If you're watching. The show seems like that he is best positioned to take the same. Yeah I mean if you WANNA look look the at the edit. I think a lot of people are saying that Tommy has the clearest winners additive. Anybody like we haven't seen him do anything terribly wrong. From either a strategic game play point or a your basic humanity point which is not true of everybody that's still in it And I think I think he's a solid guy and I think he. He's not making mistakes in the game and I think he's gotten very very lucky at a couple of points. I think Tommy is probably if I had to rank people by how likely I think it is. They could pull out a win. I have to put Tommy at the top also because Tommy is the least interesting winner that we could get this season of everybody. That's left. Yeah the one thing that really jumps out when we're looking at like like these nine people that are left that I mean if it's super obvious to us and we're talking about like all all of these goats that do they realize that there. Where is it possible that they say like okay? Well Tommy Definitely GonNa win if we don't get him. Nobody has said that in the game though and I find really curious missy did say that this week Miss Missy was saying that That that's why they hit the target time because he is a teacher are in that he he would win if he got to. The He's a teacher. He has lauren in his pocket or she has him in her pocket. There are tight dum split them up and I think it was really either way either person that got voted out of this particular conglomeration of people I think was somebody getting voted out. Because if you don't get them now they're going to win the game and so yeah. We didn't get him now. He can win the game I don't know I do feel like that missy Lauren. Tommy was You know okay ended up being quite the love triangle. I don't mean love in the like a literal sense but we saw where that there was you know missy. Oh had wanted to get rid of Tommy. She wanted to free as she felt like that. Lauren was going to be another person with her. If she could ever get rid of Tommy and she never was able to she was she had a couple of shots. Tommy out of the game. I mean she definitely tried but and I think it was was interesting that Missy said even before the game started that she learned with somebody she wanted to work with and she was hoping that eventually come around to being on the same tribe so that they could work worked together. Yeah if missy and Tommy were both drowning who do you think the Lauren would have saved. Tommy Yeah I I think so too. I think I mean I guess or drowning in the sense that like whoever falls falls under the water first loses the game of survivor. Yeah I don't think drowning eighty literal death sentence. I don't know it might be different. Might have another son's situation on our hands Dow Josh. witless favorite. Movie of all does Rodney Barda. But I do think like Eh if Lawrence is in the game and has to choose one of these people I think she chooses Tommy every time Yeah let's go back to Nora That we were talking about Nora and then we ended up going back to charisma. Let me play you a voicemail question about Nora from conor from New Jersey and let me play connors message about Nora Roberts got a question about guys thought. Obviously their hobby. Feel the getting the Debbie edit but I feel like as again goes on. She's getting it better. I think she chatterjee love us I wonder if she'll I kind of fall into the Sierra from Tokyo. Jean J. from lineal Jedinak a little party. Usual character has above But they will pick it up by the end. I G HOUSI- I WANNA get okay all right well first of all connor. Thank you for taking the time to call us from your submarine. I I understand that the minutes are really expensive on those giant phones with the satellite hookup. Also Connor says that. is she going to be like a Sierra. From Tokens or Jay from millennials versus gen-x. I don't ever put those rose in this type. That's a great. That's almost as good as a Mike. Holloway Elisabeth Hasselbeck. Okay but to connors point of is it coming together for Nora. It's interesting because when we were talking about the Charisma Rish MMA redemption Ark. I feel like maybe we're also I think the Nora Redemption Ark is something else we could talk about as well because I could see nora as has being another one of those people that started out like really clumsy and like dancing when she shouldn't be dancing and alienating everybody on her tribe but then slowly slowly developing the kind of social acumen. You need to go far the game. Because she's not dumb she definitely can see other people. I think she may be missing a little bit of the same self awareness that has but she is very much on that same kind of journey. The one thing I would say is different is we don't really know a lot about Nora's life outside of the game we haven't gotten those confessionals from her so I guess that was like Jason. Yeah but I I think that's about all we all we ever heard about her like. She's kind of a cipher outside of the game which ought amazing race. That's more important if somebody's talking about their family the beginning of episode amazing race. You know they're either going to win the game or their. Get a home eliminated that night. So That's interesting. We're not getting a lot of the Nora origin origin story but we are getting a lot of moments where she is playing the game extremely well and she is getting accurate reads on people and she's on the right side side of everything and I think I think it could be. I think it is equally possible that we get an aura. Goes all the way kind of story story as it is possible that we get a charisma goes all the way story and either one of those scenarios. I think I'd be pretty okay with at this point. Yeah it makes for the fascinating discussion of the. WHO's the more likely winner? Nora or charisma I would say charisma. At this point I agree with you I think we are. We know Krishna as a human being a little bit better than we know Nora. And I think Krishna is is a better underdog Yeah and I also think the thing that you keyed into about the self awareness that I do think that that is huge in the final council to be able to know how you are perceived by the other people that are in the jury because I feel like that at that is a key trait if we go back and we take a look at all of the different people that have been in the final twos and final threes. I I you wonder how often the person with the better self-awareness ends up. Being the person who's the winner the person who's able to read the room and know what everybody is thinking about them. I and be able to have a self image that sort of consistent with what everybody already is thinking about them and not just be out there talking about how they're the mastermind undermine whatever it was like we weren't. Yeah well I think conversely some of the worst tribal council performances. We've ever seen have been somebody thinking that they're coming the in to a jury that is excited for them. That is excited about the game. They played and sees them as the hero. And then you come to find out through of course of the tribal council that that is really not the case Yeah I know in my own personal experience with Jenna and Matt in the Amazon Amazon. I would say that I feel like that. Jenna was much more tapped in terms of how she was perceived by the people that were in the jury then Matt was in terms of knowing how he was perceived by the people that were voting. Yeah well I think that if you watch that tribal council back I think. That's pretty painfully apparent. Errant that's one of the one of the all time worst. Yeah Yeah I do think that if Krishna can get there with the right people bull then like. I don't think that she could beat somebody who has like a strong resume. But I just go back to where you know. Sandra ANDRO was up against like Russell. Somebody that was Like universally disliked or to use the Nora. Would you rather be hated or In different you know if there's somebody that's there like a dean or somebody that just like nobody cares about Dean Nikki. He's like the mic trimming of this cast. Yeah than I think. She's got a shot at this thing. I think a charisma Nora. Dean finale would be really excellent. I almost want to see that now. Okay Lemme ask you from Yale. Who wants to know? Where does Nora Eating a coconut in the middle of the night while reassuring charisma rank on the peak. Nora scale why. All of his best moments revolve around eating fruit. Yeah she loves watermelon. I like that. She's got the coconut like she. No wonder she needed to go. Look for more coconuts. Because she ate them all in the middle of the night Yeah he's always opening coconuts Nora. Apparently that's that's just her thing and and again. I think the origin story would be really interesting to know. But we're not getting it so I don't know why she likes to do that. So much. maybe did see nora opening a smoothie bar after the show he coconut is not I feel like is not a great ingredient for a smooth like you put some coconut water in your smooth ended out but I I feel like it doesn't add as much as you would think it would okay. Are you big smoothie person just not a huge smoothie person like a smoothie from time to time but the problem is when you chop up all your fruit then. You're not getting the like blood. Sugar boosts that you would get from and just eating it normally so I'm an eat normal fruit. Normally person not emotional up and do all the hard work with machine kind of person. Okay all right I'm learning today. I didn't know that yeah. They've never done weight watchers. Okay just let me bring in a question and I've gotten this from a couple of people this season and so let me let me address it. Here's cliff from Binghamton. Once question about about the footwear at Tribal Council Jessica this is cliff from Binghamton Home my question has been on my mind for a few weeks now. Um something that has been bugging me and I continue to notice with every every week every week every week. Why is no one wearing shoes at tribal robin? Sandra walked walked into the little hut with no shoes early in the season. Now the jury is not wearing shoes now. I did notice that just actually had some sandals on this week. That's the first time I've seen any footwear on any of the contestants or anyone at tribal but this is something I need to have discussed. It's keeping me up at night and I need answered. Thank you this poor man. He needs to sleep. We talked about this. I'm not sure if it's cliff from Binghamton that keeps calling with this question but I've forgotten it's a couple of times on the feedback show. Hey y'all robbing Yo- young you about the shoes originally was brought to my attention that Robbins. Sandra both don't wear shoes in the hot box. I don't know if maybe their ear shoes make too much noise. I don't know what the issue is here but according to cliff from bringing nobody's wearing shoes at tribal council. Is this something to do with the floors at tribal council like they just mopped and they don't wind a mess him up this thing. Well I know. We had a conversation earlier in the season when I did the B. B. When we did our our legendary buffer snuff segment where we were talking about the sartorial choices of the various contestants. We talked about the fact that Dean has a special pair of sneakers that he almost never wears. They have that have remained pristine and I thought well. Maybe those are his tribal council sneakers and he has to wear them only like when you can only wear white sold shoe on a gym floor. But if he's not even wearing them there then I don't know what those shoes are. I four but also I think it's got it's gotta be something to do with like you don't want to wear your heart sold. grody shoes on this nice floor of tribal. Oh Council I guess I would guess I if this is a thing then I would say maybe that the league getting to tribal council might be like a wet landing where that the tribal counselor and maybe you know They're allowed to wear shoes. But maybe somebody's like hey just Lee you know Don't get your shoes wet or or they don't want to carry them in and then put you know wet feet back in the shoes because shoes take forever to dry. If I had to speculate about that maybe that would be the number one thing that would come to mind. That that makes sense Robin Over my day job We actually produced some videos that teach people how to do a wet landing so yeah I should have thought of that. Take just leave. Maybe they all just leave their shoes in the boat they just don't want to carry them in. I never did a wetland before until I arrived in the Amazon on when I got to where we were going to our like our base camp like basically like the like pre-game Ponderosa and I was absolutely really terrified. Because they said okay. You know we're going to get out of the boat and then you're going to walk across the and and make sure you shuffle your feet. Because they're stingray are you are in the water it's like Oh my God stingray and the Piranha and the candy Ru. There's nothing in that water. It's not gonNA kill you in some way. I was never more terrified in my life then the first night. They brought us to the Amazon. Because we got there and it was like you know. Oh forty five minutes until it was just going to be completely pitch black and we they brought us into like we're just like you know went from like the airport this boat and we got there and I was just so scared out of my mind and then they like brought us like on a walk through the jungle floor to go then. They put us in boats to show us that. There are really like crocodile out there and I was so petrified. So how much orientation time did you get before the actual will quote unquote marooning. In my case I feel like it was about four or five days. There's a lot it was a long time. I don't think they do that kind of wilderness training in with the survivors. Now I don't know how many days they're out there before the game starts but we were there. I think we had like a press day. And then There might have been like a day where we met with the producers and then I think there was like three days of jungle training. I think one of the reasons they moved to feed you so that they don't have to do that anymore. It's just like this coconut the rice. This is how you chopped bamboo half. Oh so boring it. It was so boring where it's like. Okay we're going to watch these Jungle guides a shelter. And like how this this is how the Oh okay cool And I think that Matthew had like a notebook and he was like he didn't already know all that stuff. Well I think. I think it's worth noting. How thoroughly terrible the shelter? After is this season like. They didn't even do the thing that usually they have the thing where they make a platform and they put the bamboo up on the platform. These people are all sleeping in the in dirt No wonder they were miserable when it rained all night. They basically were sleeping in a giant pool. I kind of felt that they were going to go. Live with Robin Sandra. I felt once they showed us that giant shelter and as okay maybe at the merge. They're going to go live with Robin. Sandra and like what's what's going to happen with that thing. It's like Faucet Rob us all. These resources built this giant house. And what are we going to do with it. I think is going on day. Thirty nine rob. This is going to burn it to the ground. They might use it in season. Forty what if. What if the whole reason they were out there was that rob was gonNA build the shelter for season? Forty maybe ready okay. Maybe I didn't even think of that. So so we'll we'll say but yeah the Robin Sandra's soul underutilized here in the second half in the merge. Yeah oh P S yes. I think we if we're GONNA talk about raw materials that went into building those giant heads that barely get remark upon that we haven't even seen in three episodes MHM giant heads. What was the point of the giant heads like we got one good shot of them? CGI that all. I know who see. See the green screen the giant heads in or instead of the practical giant heads. Yeah I think I think green screened giant heads might have saved them. I'm a little bit of money. Yeah or maybe they could just do miniatures like sort of like Do like so like Old Star Trek episode. Yeah or or famously. In the spinal tap when they built the stonehenge set Yeah then that they have then like Robin Sandra perspective just like Like really far away from it totally for all I know. That's what they did. Do seen seen anybody like try to pick. Rob's knows you need like the giant heads like in the foreground. We'll have the camera like nothing against than like Own My God. These giant heads so huge see survivor really feel strongly strongly about saving their franchise that we need a lot more giant head to humor in the next episode like just have them like like like have the visited island of the idol's like climb up the head and the duet north by northwest Raab's nose into that we we need in some like we need some levity around the giant heads maybe make everybody feel good about the show again. Could we blow them up like destroy them. Yeah and then could we have Sandra's head lying on its side and the beach and then you run up to a going you maniacs. So many good uses for a giant head. Yeah this is the true waste of this season. Yeah I mean they had it all right there. Some of the things they could have done with them. So much. Potential squandered all right let me play this season and speaking of We're so mad at the island of the idols Let let's play this one this is from rainbow. Rainbow is not happy about the island of the idols. And let's hear what she at the same hair rainbow from La here. I am just so aggravated surveyed. Still about Jamal getting voted out because of the island of the idols. Them not helping him at all the fact that he found that advantage I feel like if production had one Jamal to stay. Hey they could have come up with something on the boat right over there. I mean it was so cold it was so nothing they just really host him and they could have just said Oh. Here's here's an idol Jamal because we wanted to have a better redemption story there since it's been such a low and I just wondered. Do you think it was intentional. From production you you know Jamal specific hosing him. So bad I just I. I'm just still really furious about it. Because he's such a gem and I feel like we were robbed And thanks it's just not done being mad about being out yet thanks. Yeah we love Jamal. It wasn't right what what happened to him at the island of the idols but it sounds like what rainbow is looking for is to fix the show the to help Jamal. Yeah and I I never feel like the show is fixed. I feel like the show is unfair. A lot of times and and I feel like the show probably say salmon. Some of its mechanisms. Yeah sometimes but survivors. But I go so far as to say survivor is fixed. I'm not prepared to say that. Oh I think survivor was fixed. I think it would be a lot different right now. Yeah survivor was fixed like maybe survivor is fixed to some really dark end that we don't know about but I think if survivor was fixed ext we'd probably see a very different conglomeration of people out there and was writing this script if it's fixed. Yeah I'm not. I'm not nominating these people for in writing. And you know I see this more in big brother Jess where name brother. There are a lot of twists and so when when the when things happen that benefit the fan favorites. You know the the fans love the twists. This was great and and if something happens that ends up not going the way of the people and you know people are ready to riot it and go crazy and so when when we want our favorites to benefit. I think that a lot of people are willing to like. Let's we can bend the rules this time. Well I think if I had to say whether I thought it was more likely to fix survivor or big brother. I would one hundred percent say it is much easier and more likely that they would want to fix big brother would want to rig big brother in favor of people because the the difference between survivor and big brother is that on big brother. You get real time feedback on. Who is the fan favorite and who people are going to be angry? If the person doesn't doesn't go home you could slip. People advantages very easily because they're contained in this little hamster cage and on survivor. However I think and I think we saw this writ large last week? They don't know how things are going to necessarily play before they finish the season. The what you get is the. They'd have to craft the story after the fact and so I think you can't look at this group of people and say oh well that that guy they're gonNa love him he's going to be the most popular one. We better make sure he goes far. I don't think that's something that's possible. I I think a lot of the best characters and the most memorable people we've gotten in the last few seasons have not been people that production would necessarily pointed to at the beginning of the season and said Oh that person is going to be the fan favourite. Like I don't think necessarily make that call. I think they get a group of good people and they hope one of them is awesome. But I don't think they know who the awesome person is every single time. Yeah Yeah I don't think that they were trying to screw Jamal and I don't think they necessarily we're going to switch things up because it was Jamal. Got The island of the idol. So yeah I don't think it's so Rainbow all right. Let's say a question from Henry from Albany and a few different people had some version of this question for you jess. Hi Robin just Henry from Albany here as a big fan of survivor and the race enterprises coverage of both. I was wondering who from the season you would want to see as a team for potential future crossover amazing grace season like they did last season. Thanks okay just do you see an amazing race pair from this season. Well I think rob the last couple of times that I did survivor voicemails. I told people to stop sending this question because it was Hashtag basic but that was all prior to the CBS Reality Show. We got last season which turned out to be one of the strongest seasons in years and it was a whole lot of fun. And I'm sure they're gonNA do it again because it did very very well so I think we have to watch every. CBS Reality Show from here on out with I to clearly is going to show up in the next reality showdown and so to that end. I am happy to answer this question. And every subsequent asking of this question until we get reality showdown on two point. Oh okay so you see a pair. I think Jamal and Jack would be a strong. That's what I was GONNA say. Also that's kind. What kind of what twitter was suggesting the other three or four times? I got this question Over the course of the week I think that would be a very good pair. I think I think I don't know it's hard to say because we don't have a lot of tight duos on this show that that you could point to and say say that would be really fun I would like to see I would like to see Dean and Kelly be a team and that I would like them to say in there like backstory segments that their bond is that Kelly's friend was Dean's ex girlfriend and that's how they know each other and I want them to have to put that on the little Kyron at the bottom mm-hmm when it tells about their relationship. Yeah Love Robin Sandra Could Robin Sandra end up or or does robin amber trump. And I totally forgot that Rob Play the amazing race. The dam could go back with Sandra Andrew Bell. I don't know I don't know if rob is prepared to Rachel Reilly hit with a new partner the next reality showdown and as much as I think. It would be excellent television to see Sandra on the amazing race. Because it's like all of the things that Sandra doesn't like. Yeah and and she would respond to them the way that we like to see her respond to things But Yeah I don't see I don't see see Robin Sandra doing very well on the amazing. I actually think that Sandra might be really good if you go back to the first episode of survivor Pearl Islands when Sandra was flies wheeling wheeling and dealing in that market and the way. I know that she's like an extreme coupon her also so I kind of feel like that's like maybe the adventure stuff does not really played a strong suits feel like a lot of these shopping tasks and going around like these different markets and finding everything like I think that's right in her wheelhouse. Yeah but there's one of those per season. Sandra like carrying a fifty pound on bag of flour across field. Or I don't know learning and agility course I. These don't seem like things that Sandra has any patience for true. She has multi-lingual and she has strong persuasive skills. I think those are underrated skills on the amazing race. But I I've seen her in physical challenges and I think there's enough physicality on the amazing race that you need at least a little bit to get by. They got sure Bob is the person that can bring that. I think I think Sandra with somebody young and extremely GREENLEAF. It could be fun. But I don't know San Fran Rob. I want to get them like color commentator race. I don't know if I want them. Running it yeah. Well let's go robin. Sandra like watching movies. I also feel like that with together like like trying to figure stuff out like a okay. Who Wiz who is that guy? He's the guy that's the killer. What do you think no? I don't think it's him. I feel like about Robin Sandra. DVD commentary track back. Yeah Mystery Science Theater of have them watching different things. Sandra Watch the usual suspects. Sure in any of those memento oh wait that was that. He's writing those notes to himself. I think that's what's happening so that would be good. Okay let me play this question. OWED FA FAA from. Nigeria has a question for us about something that Missy said at the end of the episode. Hello this is from. Nigeria question is which which players in survivor history. I've been killed school yet. On what exactly would that entail. Thanks Okay so oh that was the request from missy. I need you to kill Elaine. I needed to do it slowly and methodically and look I I know people it down on MRI. After the episode last week I think that missy was a very interesting character on the season and just like the way that she just was Would say things like that like so calm that I think she had some really amazing lines of dialogue dialogue over the course of the season and that was one of them just to kill. Kill Elaine slowly and methodically. Yeah I mean that that that line was decently dope decently dealt yes so. Can you think of anybody that was killed slowly and methodically. I think I have somebody I want to hear your example rob okay. I would say that I think John Mich- with somebody that was killed Slowly by Natalie Anderson back in survivor San Juan del Sur. Yeah I I can see that the because I just like that you know this is missy wanted to be avenged like Jeremy and Natalie that those fools I'm going to I'm I'm GonNa get them back but she couldn't just come right out and do it. She had to like move You know the chess pieces around and vote out Alec Christie by accident and and get to the point. She likes shared a bed with them one night or she gave she gave them a reward to sort of lull them into a false sense of security and then finally she got it down down to the final sex and then she got Baylor on board and then took out John Mesh. Yeah it's when you spin it like that. It's really a beautiful and underrated move. Yeah she really but she plotted this from the moment that they voted out Jeremy that she was going to and get her revenge on those guys. Yeah I mean she's like she's like Rick Grimes at the terminus people. She came back Atkin. She took every single one of them out. And so I mean that was pretty slow and methodical but for the most part I feel like that you know this a Type of justice. You know when you get back at somebody I feel like survivor usually pretty swift justice. Yeah I think survivor. You never serve your revenge cold Yeah you WANNA come right come right back and do it as as soon as possible. See if I have any any other things from this episode and Oh this was sort of a crazy moment at the tribal council when Jeff. Jeff was I saw still frame of this. Jeff was talking about you. Know we were pivoting. From what missy it said about The African American citizens winning immunity. And then okay now and now we have. This is how jeff describe that and now once again we're GonNa go from something that seems L. Side of the game and we'll go right back into parchment like a crazy person when he was talking about Name names on a parchment. Same there is really a fun game. This season To Watch Tribal Council and Pause Jeff probst and look at the screen. You get when you positive because there is really you'd never ever get a bad one read. It has had a field day of these. Jeff probst stills like the one where he's saying I will not let it go and he's like practically clutching at his heart. I think that was very fond one as well. Yeah I'm I'm trying to think that Jeff is like downing like a carafe of coffee before every single one of these tribal I guess get yourself through it. This is a rough season for Jeff probst. Let's be real sparked up. He's worked up a car. He's earned all right. Just say anything else about This episode that you WanNa Touch on well ROB I. We do have a general comment and this is probably more of a Meta comment at this point. Because I was thinking about like through the first ten to fifteen minutes of this podcast I was thinking. Oh God how do I even get through this. I've so burned out on survivor right now. I just don't even know how I can continue watching it it already. She killed the Wanda off. Which is the best thing in my life? And we've had so much conversation around such difficult couple of weeks and and I feel like I see a way forward. I'm not done being angry with this show yet. And I don't know that I'll ever fully get back to the place. I was with it but over the course of like having this conversation with you. I'm reminded of all the things that I loved about this show and about you know how much it's meant and to me over the years like not just my time on our AP but like even before that it was one of those things where I was out in the world and I met somebody that watched watched survivor. It was like okay. We are instant friends now because none of my friends washed this show. Nine can't believe somebody cares about this thing. I care about made me like somebody more. They liked the show Joe and sometimes examining like my feelings for the show over the years. It's like there's probably times when it didn't earn that love and times that I probably should have examined it harder harder. But you know it's all it's a very long relationship that I'm not necessarily. I'm not saying back on board but I'm not ready to completely throw it out. I'm not ready to mourn. It's death yet I think over the course of talking this all out with you and having fun discussing the show I really I feel a little bit less awful about the whole thing. So that's been helpful to me and also I'm sure that I'm going to get a couple of tweets tweets from people about how low energy I was at the beginning. And how you know if you hate the show so much why are you still watch again. which is a familiar refrain that I'm sure you recall from your walking dead days and Dan? Ps Rob did hate it so much he did stop watching it. So thanks for the needed a break. I needed a break. I'm GONNA come back and watch I know you are. You will be be happy you did but I think I found that energy again and I think that's just a test. How good you are at what you do than we were back around? Were back in it. We're talking about it and we're not hating life. I really appreciate that and I did have fun talking about the things. There are fun things that are still happening in this season. And you know this this week has been you know You know a real challenge to try to cover the show. Because I I definitely feel like that you know that there are people that are like okay. Well you know I am. I don't WanNa hear anymore about this. And for a variety of reasons that they it's either painful or that they feel like it is you know Whatever everything that's already had to been said has been said and it'll you know people that are you know not ready to move on and so that's been such a challenge? We're trying to cover the show this week but I did have a lot of fun getting to talk a bunch of this stuff tonight. Yeah I'm never GONNA be fully ready ten move on from this but I think there's a way forward at least yeah and there will still be more to come. There's going to be you know more as more and more people are able to speak more freely About what happened. I'm sure we'll only learn more about this situation situation You know for the better for worse. And so in in the meantime you know. This is a survivor podcasts. You know we gotta keep talking through. Yeah I mean you got to go back to an office if you can't do that. Yeah he wants to probably get a day job bright right and I. I was talking about this with Nicole last night about you know like I was just discussing. How conflicted I am I am with talking about the show and trying to do the right You know the right thing and I. She'd made a you know a AH good point about You know there are a lot of people that you know you know. They they look forward to the shows and that you know that I have a duty to keep keep going and you know for the people that this this is like a you know a highlight to have these shows you know you know. I need to keep going forward for those people and so The first lady podcasting is very wise. Sometimes I think she's got a very good point. There's a huge community that has popped up around survivor that has really ceased to be about survivor. It's just survivors the thing that brings us back here every week. But they're really here for you rob odd and they're here for the community that you've created. Well I very much appreciate that and that. I don't know how to respond onto things like that so I'll just pay thank you thank you again just. I know this is a Thanksgiving week. You're an avid vid Baker. Do you have any pies or cakes that are coming special this week. I'm definitely I got the request. I double chocolate. Bourbon pecan Pie. That my love's so I will be doing that again. And then I gotTa have at least one other dessert and I'm kind of torn between apple and Pumpkin and so we're still figuring it out and I'm trying to find things that my son can help me with because he's very into kitchen implements and he likes to help so anything he can help with. I think is the you know help without creating more work for be so we have have a fun week of desserts planned and always on desert duty for thanksgiving. So that's kind of one of the highlights of the year. Okay do you post the pies when they come out on social media yeah. I usually have a photo on instagram. And I think this year will be no different. Who's the better Baker? You were. Allie Lascher I probably Alley Lascher. I don't get much practice these days. So I'm a little rusty. Would you be willing to compete in our podcast. Bake off the next time we have a live show in New York. I that I saw on twitter that as of two years ago Josh. Twitter's out all right. Well I will fully sponsor and Rha P- back-off event. Okay all right. Well I want to see what other podcasters CASTERS will throw their hat into the ring. Totally like I just throwing the gauntlet down any of you want to be in on this. You've been invited royal rumble but tastier. Okay all right. Just thank you so much of course that you could hear Jess and Josh Wigley talk about the mid season. MM Finale of the walking dead over on post show RECAPS DOT com. Just did you notice that I have added the latest from Post show recaps in the Sidebar of rob as a website dot com. I did not notice that but I feel so much more appreciated now gas. I've been trying to further author. 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But I am a big jean-luc Stan Lai you're welcome anytime. Okay all right. I'm excited about that one. All right of course you can follow Jessica lease on twitter. She's at Haymaker Hattie. And anything else you WANNA point people to just I should point you over to primetime or DOT COM. If you click on features you'll find a number number of really interesting articles about everything that's happening in the TV world right now including a lot of content that I'm writing Including I have a piece coming out next week about Thanksgiving Day parade and then this week I wrote about a new anthology series. It's hitting net. Flix called a Dolly Parton heartstrings. It was just a fun dive into which songs are being covered in this series and what actors are featured. And where do you know them from. And it's actually. It's a lot out of fun and I can't wait to actually dig into the series. Just what are you writing about the Thanksgiving Day parade It's mostly about. Like what purpose does it serve in the greater sphere of the Thanksgiving holiday and also I learned a lot of really interesting facts about the difference in the coverage between the two networks air the parade raid those differences exist and that was the original pitch and they were like. That's not as interesting as you think. It is so pleased folded into a bigger piece. But unlike yeah hi it it is interesting so yeah. Nicole is a big thanksgiving. macy's Thanksgiving Day parade person and you know I find it very boring in terms of watching it and I just feel like that. There's like maybe like ten seconds of stuff that I want like I feel like that the move is it's the DVR that is definitely the move or to flip back and forth between the two networks covering it Just to kind of catch little glimpses of things but I. I don't think you are fully meant to be paying attention to the parade. I think it's on in the background. And it provides something for you to talk about if your family starts talking about things. You don't want to talk about. Yeah who else airs it besides NBC CBS CBS airs. The macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Yeah come on rob your bread and butter. You should know this. Sorry sorry about that. Okay all right. He s coverage is it has its own particular charm But you'll have to read my article to find out what I really think of which network you should be watching. Yeah I've never watched it on. CBS sorry sorry guys okay all right I just thank you so much really appreciate you spending some time with me tonight. We are going to. We'll be back with our next episode of survivor coverage when we talk about this week in survivor history. Haley strong is going to join Jordan Kayla and myself south and then on Robin Akiva podcast this weekend. Going to be talking about season. Three episode. Seven of Golden Girls Jess. Are you a golden girl girl. 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Tough as Nails | Season 2, Episode 4 Recap | Phil Keoghan

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Tough as Nails | Season 2, Episode 4 Recap | Phil Keoghan

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Four of toughest nail season two and very excited to talk about a night on the farm on a tough as nails. You won't believe everything we have to talk about here today. As we talked about last night's episode it's gonna be show of course a very excited to have back with us this week after a week off the job. Here's a great jessica lease suggests it's time to go to work. I gotta say rob robin mike. I'm so sorry wrong. I hit the wrong the wrong queue. Sorry sorry can i talk. Yes i i was gonna say robin mike. I'm really really sorry. I missed last week. And i feel like really really sheepish. About it yes good. Well done keep going. Mike listen jess. You can't pull the wool over our eyes. I know exactly what you were doing last week. You're on the farm making poop angels to we could smell it on you. Lease this equivalent of the bell. The whistle to go to work bell. Okay all right so here. we are. After four episodes the toughest angel eliminated from the individual competition. But don't worry he still gonna be part of the team competition. We will talk about it all just love to hear from you about obviously a lot of question marks around last week. This felt like the first week. You're actually able to properly get into tough. I told you just needed a week off from the show last week. That was it. Yeah exactly so. I guess now that you've brought the back jess. I know that robin. I tried to parse through everything from construction site. Was there anything you want to add or any thoughts. You had about everything that happened last week. I mean honestly. I think i think you both covered it admirably and there is nothing in there that i felt like. You've missed I two puzzled by the use of aggregate is big average it last night. Yeah so aggregate. Last night that we know of but i feel like big aggregate is like putting some money in behind the scenes. Yeah i will also say that the other night. Mike bloom. And i got together to talk about. Today is march fourth the kickoff them paramount plus and we did a another one of our brand steel simulations where the stars we put everybody from the super bowl commercial. the stars of cbs verses a tribe of the stars of viacom and we loaded up into the brand steel simulator and people are saying that one of the best brands steals ever been a little bit better phil cogan was in those commercials able to take part as zolt. We'll find out why fell wasn't Asked to hike up the mountain asked. Maybe he did. Maybe he did them. Yeah all right. Toughest nails Last night we were all on the farm and we had toughest. I'm sorry the dirty hands. And of course the savage crew back at it again and hay bales. Yeah i guess if aggregate is to pea gravel and what i guess hay bale deserve the connector between the two seasons right because we had the epic lee vs michelle's death overtime challenge. Now they just spread it out across a football field. Well i just watched survivor ghost island this week on the top forty all time season countdown. I was hoping that phil would say like this hay. Bale right here grew for lee. If he would have gotten it stacked he could have michelle in the overtime in season. One back what is it. What is it mature into. Immature like a hundred hay bales right its maturity that ford f one fifty right over there. Hey bill that turns into the car. Yeah i scott cartoon about this in the eighties. Yeah so yeah. We had our our team competition. Which was the hay bales. We are individual competition which was the sheep which was which was. I would say like a very fun. I thought that that was the highlight of the of the episode and then the overtime with freight train versus angel and then i have to say that the overtime angel going out. I thought that you just like the last over time that we got to see after last week skipping the ot the ot's have been very emotional this season and i don't even remember feeling that way really in the overtimes in season one but i don't know what it is about this group and maybe it's because there should shot during covert and it's like a. It's like a very emotional about things. But i don't know. Did you feel that the the the players and even myself like did you feel more like emotional stakes in the overtime this week. This is something. I've actually i've been formulating in my head in the absence of being on this podcast. Talk with it about talk about it with the two of you and in the absence of being able to ask phil about it i've been formulating my head. Some sort of comparisons and contrasts to held story was being told last last season. And what are the main things that i have been observing is that. There's a lot more pesos. This season and a lot more leaning into the idea of somebody needing the money. And i think they touched on it last season but angel story in particular. They're really milking it for tragedy in a way that they really milk tragedy feels cynical but that's they are talking more about how hard his life is. In a way that. I think last season they didn't talk about how hard people's lives were in these jobs. They said you know they work hard but they really love what they do and this feels more like your regular garden variety shows where people go on the reality shows saying. I'm anne to win the money. So i can help my family and that. That's a big difference for me. I think angel is kind of the is the focal point of this because his entire story so far has been that he does work very hard he does not You know he is not adequately compensated for it and he's had a rough upbringing and His family is scattered to four. Wins and this is going to being on. The show is going to change his life I feel like previously toughest nails. A central message was not being on. The show is going to change your life. And i have to wonder what the decision was What how did they come to the decision to start leaning into that a little harder. Because i think last season we did talk about and i can't remember if it was on the show itself or just mentioned to us. I know that there was a lot of talk about somebody. Talking about their job. And then mentioning. They're not they're not working with a union and then the other their teammates saying you gotta get a union job. We'll help you find a union job. This is what you need to be doing instead. I don't remember it. Being this heavily leaned on and i hope that the eventual outcome of this is like somebody gets angel into a union and get him a good union jobs. We can have benefits and you know afford to go see his family more often. Now let me just ask you about is very interesting idea. The do you feel that. Is that the overall story of all the contestants or is that just angel story. You feel like it's mostly up to now. It's just angel. I think we've heard but he's been the star glass three episodes. We've we've seen so much angel. I think whenever we're not Whenever we're not avenue or angel that's different right right that's a completely different thing Stop putting that image. We we just repeated. Just i know we picked it up genetic okay all right but she grew up on farm. Yeah i don't think they really do. Your arms yeah. She grew up near a farm. I don't think people that live on farms. Do that the amish country. I don't know what the amish we're doing but it certainly wasn't poop angels. Yes sure feels like cats. Not an amish thing never heard that so. I will say that. I don't know if necessarily comes from the show or if that's angels Story because i feel like even freight train like the didn't wanna put the the like figurative nail in his coffin. By putting the nail in the horseshoe freight train was had like a mixed feelings about knocking. Angel out of the competition but we also spent some time on freight train and talking about like how this is going to change his life to And it's it does seem like this is this is sort of a pivot a when it comes to what the show is really about But i do think it's very odd brand for somebody on toughest nails to to debate throwing a competition so that someone who needs it more could stay in that does seem the does seem very much like the camaraderie. We saw last season. And this is especially with the element that they could stay in. It's not as i angell second like that can make more money can make twenty two hundred dollars a week. It's not like i'm out of the competition. I agree with just two definitely to a certain extent. I feel like season. One in terms of arduousness was more focused occupationally. Right you have phil being like show all the calluses on your hands. Look at all the work you do every day day in and day out working multiple hours a day to you know make america run and i think this season is a bit more about personal arduousness. Even outside of the freight train and the angel stuff. You have someone like sarah right. Who's a type one diabetic and we hear a lot about how. I'm doing this to show that like just because you have. This disease did not necessarily mean that. You're not as tough as anyone else. I'm sure we'll find out more stuff about these people as we go along. I'm not sure if that's a difference in an editorial thing or if it's just that the contestants that they happen to bring on happened to have obviously the most interesting stories that's a reason why they're cast and so someone like angels story really peaks in that regard. But i completely agree with an earlier statement. I was stunned that angel. Wet year because he is he was. I think one of the big. Pov characters and even if you're reading the toughest nails epic and you're looking at like scott and knuckles as the bigger winner candidates. You would think that angel be like a sentimental favorite to least go pretty far. Not even though he's still in the competition. Become the third person deleting presser third person to leave the competition last season was roofer lee label. Roofer wasn't getting like monologues talking about his life story. Ripley was there were hardly doesn't talk in monologues. Yeah i think. I thought honestly it felt to me very much like a very it felt to me like the pre merger boot edit to me to us to borrow a term from a from a previous show that we have covered talk about tribes on this show up do not. It really felt to me like they were giving you a lot of historic early on because there may if you were opportunities to tell it later on down the line. Are you saying like the personal story bump mike. It's the personal story about. She say that we are fallen angel. Yeah okay i yeah i just. I don't know like i feel like that. Both these episodes. I feel like we had an elimination. Obviously the tara and battle were extenuating. Circumstances with a tara's injury swifty. Also like i mean. That was super dramatic like i. I don't remember feeling as like a when these two people like when with all due respect to like you know young at versus you know whoever else in the various different Overtime season one like i. It didn't seem like it was like as a with as much gravitas to knock somebody out of the competition. I think that also has to do with angel. The person who. I think i would say out of all twenty four contestants. We've experienced so far in tough as nails. Can i think he's the one who wears the heart on his sleeve. The most right. He's the one who is hustling from the very first to that work whistle until his team finally wins bill consistently says. He's a workhorse. He's constantly hustling universe. Slows down that ends up ironically enough screwing him over in the overtime so i think he was also like very beloved amongst me as well robot. Do you have an interesting point about the pandemic. But i don't know if that's necessarily about like an interpersonal perspective. I maybe more of an occupational thing. I can imagine certainly much like you know. There have been so many people that like in business reality shows say oh when the recession hit this happened and so i really need the money. I could certainly imagine these people who while their jobs are are not exactly deemed essential. Celie for instance sure. There are certainly hardships. They've experienced the past year. As a result of the pandemic. there are more stakes involved of getting that money because if you have found yourself paying a bit more out of pocket for things based on opportunities that have dried up due to the pandemic then. Yeah every dollar does count. That makes his way back into your pocket. Yeah i enjoyed the blacksmith challenge for the for the ot. I didn't think it'd be. Go getting into blacksmith ing. Just what's the right word. I think it is smoothing. I use my favorite part of it. They didn't really explain how to do. The challenge handed him a book instead. Rtfm and i thought that was wonderful and it doesn't make for the best tv. But i think it would have been. It makes much better tv than phil sitting there talking you through every single down to the process. I also think that angel was well defined in that like you angel. He's fast and like he's strong but he likes doesn't stop to think and you really saw that. Come to light is boxer. Yeah it's a boxer thing you come in full tilt hundred percent at a sprint and you do that sprint until around is over. and it's very very. He's very very good for those types of tasks anything. That's more methodical where you have to stop and think like that's not. That's how you operate when you're box. Yeah it comes down to being detail oriented ironically enough in this. I do wonder with the book because we don't see them go to do dude think they actually went to decide like okay. Let's hunker down for some study time and read through this like loose leaf models skinned fin left around. About all the details of how to make a horseshoe or did true to angels model. He'd be like got figured it out. If it's global you hit it. That's what i do and then frittering train. Like the blacksmith. Look like he doesn't look like an extra game of thrones longer and he could really fit in amongst the vikings. Yeah so he seemed like he kind of had it down and age. I was worried angel was going to hurt himself. He was just like on tilt like going crazy with Like Like i thought it was gonna pick up the horseshoe off the ground. The bike without using the tongues. It seemed like we were really primed for and you saw fill in monisha because he's joel slowdown. Don't slam the forage angel. Yeah i mean we could have like an incredibly unlucky cast of tough as nails but it just keep dropping like flies despite the fact show prevents you from actively doing so The lupus yeah via be careful angel. A certain point you have to recalibrate your metric for toughness c. You stop dropping your contestants Yeah and so a freight train able to move on. He said that his goal a couple of weeks ago was to stay out of the overtimes. But i think that this was like even though it was dangerous. I thought this was one of the less physically punishing. Ot's that we've had. Yeah i mean that being said i kind of feel for both freight train and angel here rob. I know you said that. Sheep was the highlight of the episode. Actually wasn't a big joe. I know why i mean. The fact of the matter is as they said. It really wasn't an individual challenge. Was a team challenge until the last fifteen seconds and then it's okay now we gotta get the sheep oddly structured. It's like one of those. It's like those amazing race. Challenges were three teams decide to quit at the same time. And then they say oh. We're just going to book it for the the finish line. Yes exactly why just thought that it was that the teams worked together. But i feel like it was designed to be like a like a individual worker. Working in pairs broke the. Yeah yeah they all partner together. Phil are you there. You able to hear us. I can hear you. yes yes. We're here by the The host co creator executive producer. Toughest nails phil cogan. Phil how are you. i'm feeling very sheepish. Yes already used it. Have i knew you would do that. And we've got that one too bill. You got going through your list. Rattle your daggs. I feel rattled to my my fiber core of my fiber. No that didn't work. Okay listen on. The good news is dean. Where's the plaid shirt just. Where's the wisdom lunch i do. You want me to go get one. I think i think just to kick things off nicely. You have a plaid shirt because he right back. Yeah yeah. I don't want you to be left out yeah. Nobody's ever come in and requested that we have a wardrobe change on the podcast. Get your big online. Everybody's in their uniform at sort of like what type nails is all about. And listen if we're gonna plaid. Let's platt out together. Let's let's let's be very very plaid. We are together Yes i'm how. How are you guys. Oh look at this. This is great this is this is a lumberjack mo and undercoating. Call day my favorite song. Have you got high heels upon your feet pandemic. nobody's wearing high. Because i have my high heels on all right and there's nothing wrong with that. Yes your high horse shoes on. I gotta get off my high horse and put some new shoes on So charting along. So how are you guys. Yes brave doing. Just talking. About last night's show phil we happy. Did you like it. we were just talking about. the angels. are and angel archangel. Yeah and him him. Going and part of his story was with that You know what he could have done with the with the money. How do you won the grand prize. And how badly he needed that. And if that something. That was like like more highlighted of this season in terms of something that you wanna show of. All of the contestants were that something that's sort of individual to angel story. I think was just i think one of the more powerful bites that i remember us putting in there was when he said you know he knows what it's to go to school and have his ankle showing because he can't afford to have pants that fit properly and There's a lot of people struggling out there. A lot of people who can connect and an associate with the struggles that someone like angel is going through and You know the union. Chad thought was really interesting. And it's very topical right now with you know with regards to the the minimum wage discussion. That's happening so yeah it was. That's his story. I mean whether th that's not necessarily something that will come up every season but But his his story so what we wanted definitely wanted to highlight. Yeah lost michael. Yeah he'll pop back he'll be back does he. Does he just disappear from time to time. It's just. I know. I know what it is. He's going to get a better plaid shirt. That's what it is. It is okay here. He is all right. Sorry i had to get my grill in to know that i was really ready is yes mike. Mike is ready to go once. He has his grill pop in his blades. Yeah did you guys get that group thing like again. It was just a cultural thing that we felt was it was interesting. I didn't really know too much about this. Significance of the of the grill and and So again just another way of layering in some information about these essential workers working class people on our show who maybe can open our eyes up to a different way of thinking and the different life. That sort of thing. We'll be right. 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And i wasn't sure exactly one why he said that And to was he feeling like that freight train was going to slow down angel. Was that why he ended up doing making the teams in that way. No i just think that he knew it was gonna be lucky dip day. It was one of those challenges where there was a lot of luck involved. Any probably knew that everybody was going to be out of their element and so he thought what would be. Great is is is If i put them together maybe they'll be a because angel and freight train of quite different in terms of their approach approaches. So i think he probably thought that somehow wouldn't work and you look at the way it happened That's exactly what happened. Like at ida. And and zeus have a similar sort of way of thinking. They're both quite zen like they're quite come. And they talk to themselves and believe in themselves and freight train is very methodical logical. Need likes to go through. The steps of doing things and angel can sometimes get flustered. So i think he thought that there was some potential for things to go wrong between them which ultimately ended up happening I could imagine it's the equivalent of like robin young and big brother when you have the the knockout competition you put two people that you want. At least one of them gone up against each other. I find interesting though. Because i do feel up to this point narrative speaking we haven't really gleaned a sense as to who's looking out for who competition. I know last year was really a lot about danny and murph tying up each other in confessional whereas this is not necessarily the case. Maybe it's because of all the stuff that's been happening. You know outside of the show that distracted people so it was interesting to hear from scott who i think. This is the first time this season at someone has said. I think angels a threat. I like freight trains read if i put them together one of guaranteed to go home or be eliminated from the individual competition. And that makes things much easier for me. Yeah it was a smart move in and and look just a little inside baseball on this angel and and sarah had the highest brutal true test scores their work rate. Sarah and angels work is is is above and beyond anybody else there now. We have some people who are very close. Aerobically in terms of their insurance like knuckles has got a had a very very high score but i think scott was good looking at the workload. That zoo that angel. Sorry is being getting through. I mean this. This guy angel does not slow down and he will literally work all day. And you're going to see that throughout the rest of the season. This guy is his work. Rate is unbelievable when he first applied he was telling us about how he does these jobs where people love hiring him and his team because they literally will cut the estimates in half because the speed at which they can work he has ripped and he's being a boxer in his life so he knows what it's like to push himself to to breaking point physically. But i think scott sore weakness in him with regards to getting flustered when he when he gets frustrated and and and i think he saw angel as a as maybe his biggest physical threat and wanted to ensure an opportunity to do something about it and Knew that sarah hads that great physical ability so wanted to pull her onto his team and also know that. Sarah is very cam under pressure Oh he's he's got maybe the the fittest person in sarah who's also came under pressure on his side and then he put the person who's his biggest physical threat in angel with somebody who has a completely different approach to everything and figured maybe something will go wrong. And i did find it interesting that you know last season. When murph was given a similar power he really went inter team right. He made sure that every single dirty hands person had a savage crew partner interesting here. That scott pick. Sarah obviously and basically has everyone stick to their own respective teams but the exemption of sally and knuckles some strategy involved in that. But i think that's just also a sign of the various ways you can tackle this type of advantage. And i'm assuming as more advantages are gonna show up over the course of the season like they did last season. It really just goes to prove that depending on who has their hands on these advantages dirty hands. If you will they can really use it. However they want to whether to their actual strategic merit or not. yeah. I think that Murph was quite a different situation. He knew that with danny he had someone superstrong you sort of guaranteeing a win. It was a physical challenge. It was a it required some smarts in terms of making the connections with their gatien pipes. So he's sort of figured like he had it in the bag with dany because he knew he was going to work hard. He knew he had it so. I think he was super confident. At that point he kind of played the whole like. I don't think he felt threatened by anybody else. Apart from danny and he was pulling danny across with them to guarantee himself the win and then i think in the way that murphy says murphy was like all right now. I'm going to be super fair. And i'm just going to like put these pairs up together and match people together from opposite team so i think scott was way more calculated. There's no doubt about. It is a game theory. Element there where you wanna. You wanna make sure that you're protecting your own team. And i think we talked about this last season. Where pairing someone print people from opposite teams always ensures that you don't have a situation where people from your team are going up against each other at the end yes absolutely and i also wondered whether i also wondered whether part of to scott was thinking about the team putting if he thought that things were going to go wrong with freight train and angel they would have to spend more and that things were they were gonna use up more energy than they would have to go to overtime then. He didn't know what that was exactly but he figured out people who are very important to dirty hands so then that gives us an advantage in the team competition as well so i think he was doing a lot of your thinking. Maybe scott was playing five chess on this. But he's also the same guy who thought to split the teams up during the team competition. So maybe not. I don't understand that. So savage crew loses the trap challenge on the boat by say okay by keeping one person behind. That's one less person that can be stacking. The traps cut to challenges later. Scott says i got it. Take nearly half the team. Put it in a place where they're gonna stand around and wait for a good portion of time you know it's it's i always loved the strategies that come out but it was really interesting that despite losing for basically the exact same reason last time they lost savage crew again loses introduce. Xm reason the thing that shocked me was that they were he was presenting it like it was emergent strategy like nobody had ever thought about it before. And it's like no you thought about it two episodes ago and it didn't work and you're doing it again. Fell to be fair to be air. The instinct i think from a lot of people including knuckles if you remember not just pushed back against zeus zeus. He had a plan he figured. No no no no no no. We're not having anybody like we're not going to run the risk of anybody being back at the barn with nothing to do. We're going to stick together as a team and do this in a linear fashion. We pick up. We drive over. We unload we go back. We pick up. We drive over we unload and so knuckles. His knuckles had an instinct. Like yeah but some of stay. We'll finish this while you guys go get more and then by the time you get back. We'll be done with this but then you run the risk of running out of hay. Bales to stan right happened. But i love that moment. Where maryl- maryland says this god because they've got such a great religious you know. Sometimes you really really smart. You know you really are really smart. And they're they're almost like you know we got this. We got this in the bar and you know this is no trouble at all. And of course they stayed in there and is cast like shift when we miss this up. Well here's my question. How far was it from the hay. Bale area to the barn. Could you finish stacking your bales and then jog back and help people at the truck or is that way too far and would that gas. Everybody out. I'm to say it was at least a half a mile but it might have been more so i think by the time they ran over there they would have been completely and utterly tapped and then wouldn't have been able to get it on and do anything and then yeah no and it was sort of. I think they also couldn't tell from the distance. How far through the teams were like. Did they have a third to go to you. Know how far through where they were they gonna run over and there was going to just be a waste of time so i think there was sort of caught between a a hay bale barn. Yeah can we go back to overtime for a second. 'cause we speculated about this before you came on you had the book. The guide to how to make a horseshoe did yes. You is actually referred to it before they went into the challenge. They console back to it if they were struggling to did the book. Actually you know. Play a part in the overtime challenge proper. The book was a backup to us giving them instruction on how to use the tools so we showed them. This is tie you pick up the metal. This is how you put it in the forge. This is how you use the heat this is. We explained to them that win. It's bright orange like that. That's more pliable we. We went through all the basics that were in the book so everything that was in. The book was everything that was explained to them Before we started the book was a was a backup. I notice online. Sometimes people go. I can't believe you didn't tell people how to do that. You know how to drive a bulldozer. like well you're making the assumption like we're not going to make a television show about okay. Everybody everybody jumping your bulldozes. We're gonna show okay. Everybody puts your left your lever forward and backwards left. But i mean come on i mean so. This one guy who's who's like i can't believe you didn't give them any instruction and and i and i was like well. What makes you assume that we didn't and by the way of the nine first timers the spread with exactly the same instructions and all non bulldozer. Drivers was twelve minutes. So you can give instructions all you want but some days. There's just some people who are going to use their playstation skills to get through driving a bulldozer and use those skills better than someone who got exactly the same instructions but his twelve minutes slower. And you know they'd all be sending you hate tweets about. Why did you spend so much time showing us how to do something if you did it the other way people. Yeah whatever realized what i've realized in life is a little bit like going to ice cream store. Yes and and someone goes in. And they say i have a vanilla ice cream. I love vanilla ice cream. And then they leave the store. And then someone sees that person with vanilla. Ice cream goes oh my god. I hate vanilla ice cream. i can't believe they sell vanilla ice cream in that store. I like chocolate like now. What are you meant to do. Get rid of all of vanilla ice cream to please the guy who likes chocolate and then get rid of the vanilla because the other person doesn't like chuck this no pleasing everybody and so i think you have to you have to make choices and and you're so right phil do your best. Yeah and then. And then ultimately i would say to people if if if you're not happy with with the amount of bulldozer instructions have that you make your on tv show. Oh get all about tonight on how to drive a bulldozer. One hour of this goes forward. This goes back. This left goes right tonight on instructions. I don't know anyway. It's just fascinating. Phil think that show we. Can we get a lot of feedback in the podcast world. You know we get a lot of feedback. It's as my like. I told you my dad. My dad always says easier to critique than to create so all the time that's my motto. Someone whose job it is to talk about television on a podcast. It's really my personal motto yet. But you know the thing is you guys have created content out of critiquing content. So you're you're creating something from what you're critiquing. I'm talking about people that don't do anything with critiquing other than just pointing out when they think is is is wrong. Like how easy is that. I can drive down the street. And i can say i don't like those pants that guys wearing green where those i don't know i mean. What do you do that so i want. I completely change direction. Now that's the pants and goes you know. I mean still under like that direction. We're gonna do some different. Speaking of conformity. Let's go back to the sheep. And i want to know if when this challenge was being designed did was it anticipated that the teams would work together in the way that they did. It's something that we were curious about Before you came on. I thought it was really interesting that it was supposed to be two people working together and it ended up being all ten people. Working together is it. Do they start a break. The challenge in that regard so it coming from new zealand. What i know about sheep is you. Don't stand in front of the sheep if you want it to come. You can't stand in front of a sheep. If you wanted to come towards you you have to get behind the sheep and and and coerce them to go the opposite today right. Yes rattled idex so this whole sheep thing. I've been fascinated with it for a long time going back to season two of amazing race. When when i was helping to set up some shows in new zealand for season two we went to my dad's college college dad's college friends when we into his farm and we had if you remember we had the team's rounding up sheep and they had to do it where there was no crossover. A a a team of amazing racers had to herd. The sheep was separate. The shape was separate. She'd had not heard the and with this. What i thought would be fascinating is cheap wannabe together. So if you put forty sheep together in a pen in a bigger pen they're all gonna wanna clump together. I was fascinated by this idea of what happens. When you have five pairs who now need for sheep. Each and their goalie as a pair is to get for sheep in a pen but in order to do that they have to work as a collective i and in life it was sort of as a swifty. Said he got it at the end. He's this was like an integrity challenge. This was like figuring out that. Sometimes you have to do something for the greater good of all before you can then get something for yourself. So i don't wanna get too deep into it or anything but i was sort of fascinated by the idea of would they figure out that the first part of it was. Okay we're got a common goal. Let's help each other. And then the second part of it was wearing a competition and we have to get our sheep in the pen before everybody else so we didn't really know how it was going to go so to answer your question. Just we set it up but we didn't really know how it was going to actually break down. Once it happened once once they got together. I was impressed with the sheep. I didn't know sheep were that fast. I didn't know that sheep could jump. I guess that. I should like you know how i go to sleep every night. Is the sheep jumping over a fence but That i just like to see it in real time. I was very impressed. Yeah sheep are very agile. And and and look what this sounds crazy. But one of one of the first shows that i ever worked on as an assistant camera operator back in the mid eighties when you before you guys were born was. I was a show called the dog show new zealand and it was. It was Shepherds and their dogs and they had these competitions where the shepherd and the dog would have to round up cheap. I think it was normally six shape and put them in a pen and it was on a sunday night before a show that i used to do which was a staple on on one of the networks when i started before i started as a host was doing the camp being a camera system and it was one of the most popular shows of the week on sunday night. I think it played like six o'clock or something like that and everybody would watch. And the way that it was covered was like the close up of the eyes of the sheep and then back to herder and then back to the dog and then back to the sheep and then the dog would step like this and then she would look. And then the herder would hold hold on hold a game-high get behind and it was all of this sort of all these signals whistling and all of this stuff and it was so entertaining but it was always the battle of wills and so that sort of was the inspiration for this whole thing was what happens when you get a whole bunch of city folk. I mean i loved celie walking around with a piece of twine or dejected. Rava branch off a tree like a switch wave it around. Yeah and then you know. I called her a sheep. Was burt one point and then freight train reaching down for a couple of pieces of dry grass like that was going to live. And then sarah trying to be like a shepherd's dog doing the barking hysterical. I yeah that was my favorite strategy personally. Not since big brother. Nineteen have we seen barking on major. Cbs reality television than i did like them being like well the familiar voice right to a dog. That's surely the dog hearings. We'll herbal heard them back into the bigger. Yeah it's familiar. The question is whether it's whether it's light gave we feel it's definitely familiar but really liked the dog first of all a show about herding sheep. Being the most popular show on television is the most new zealand thing. i've ever heard. Okay well no. But here's one even better. I can't remember if i've told you this. You guys the story. did i tell you that. That's fairly interesting story. I might have right. I don't think so. I don't tell us again. Okay okay so in new zealand. We're all about being understated. And we have this thing called the toll poppy syndrome. So if you imagine a field of poppies if one poppy rises up like peter jackson rises up above in the field of poppies. Then poppy syndrome is. Somebody comes along and goes clip and clicks that toll. Poppy in the top. Poppy falls down. And then everybody is equal in the same. And everybody's comfortable so you never wanna like a be a wanker. Basically skype as we would say and so everything has to be underplayed so if the all black rugby team our national teams the all blacks if they win and they break a world record. Then the captain's expected to say you know always nothing you gotta hand it to the other team. They played really well. Meanwhile the scorelines like one hundred zero. Yeah yeah yeah no. I know it was a world record. It's never been done before. Probably never will be done again but You know you got to hand it to the other team. They really came out here today to play. So you have to understate everything so television producers and new zealand back in the late eighties decide. They're going to do a show. that's the equivalent of. That's incredible but we can't call it. That's incredible because nobody can new zealand's allowed to be incredible. They can be okay but they can't be incredible so instead of calling the show that's incredible they called it. That's fairly interesting name of the show. I happen to have been a host on. That show called death fairly interesting so when we would show the most interesting things on the planet a guy who built a house out of beer bottles or someone who is breaking a world record it would always end with. It's fairly interesting and that is a true story. Yeah oh my god. I can't wait for the new zealand version. Ripley's believe if you want to. I guess exactly exactly yeah. You can believe it if you want to. Not really that impressive. But it's up to you. But i think that sort of i mean we're getting better a at acknowledging success and celebrating success but At the end of the day. The more understated. You are the better you want to be. You know you just gotta be like no matter. Whether you're peter. Jackson are sam neill. You just got to be like everybody else. And then you'll be fine. Yeah that explains so much about the philosophical approach tough as nails as well because you really are like one person gets to win at the end but everybody else gets to keep winning along the way. Yeah i mean we don't get me wrong. We're we're like we're hyper competitive like in the national. Rugby team is the winningest sports team. In history with one we have a higher percentage rate of winning than any other team in sports history and against teams like australia. I think we've somewhere around eighty percent against england in the high eighties like we don't the national rugby team does not lose and so we're very competitive so but it's just that you also those people who are amazing when they do also have to play like they're just like everybody else and then we all feel comfortable with that but fills you don't bring that to The show as the. Because i one of the things that i was noticing last night is that you really like talk up all of the players. That are on the show like i. I was thinking like boy. It must be great just to have like fill in your daily life where he just like. Look at sarah work. She loves hard work. She's doing such a great job by those positive affirmations that you give the contestants while they're out there that must really motivate them. I i i like. I like the idea of like accentuating. What's what's good and what people do. I love it. I mean i get pumped. I feel like i can. It's like being on a some like being on the sidelines of a of a basketball game like in the nba game at madison square garden. And i'm allowed to yell out to the players. You know like talk to them as they're going yell out to steph curry and tell them staff. You're playing great today great. That's a great shot. What another gresh out there. It's like. I mean it's kind of it's kind of fun to drill in and i i i love these characters i i mean i i fall in love with them. I i don't know just feel like make me feel woman fuzzy inside when i think about them and And so yeah. I wanna pump them up. I want him to be the best they can be. I want them. You know. I tell them at the beginning. They're all going to fall in love with each other as well and they do in the season. One contestants are still talking to each other and now they've connected with season two people at i. I love the chats in the van. I love the fact that they find as they find common ground and they bond together. It's kind of satisfying to see Can i ask going back to the sheep. I do find interesting that you've now every other episode has done some sort of challenge with animal handling animal husbandry as we would say on the podcast. Is this like something purposeful. Are we going to see more creature comforts over the course of the season or is that just purely coincidental coincidental completely coincidental. I'm not sure they'll be any other Animal husbandry a in the near future Michael in the toughest nails on my kids will be disappointed. Yeah it's unfortunate next week is going to be something really different for us. We're going to a stadium and it's kind of epic it's it's fun. It's quite different from anything. We've we've done. It's it's big and different just really different from anything. We've done out of the dust and the dirt and the grime into the heart of los angeles at the l. Afc and very different. I think eve condition desk to think a certain way phil because the first time with the first thing i thought of when i saw that stadium was i bet they had an easy time finding something that could sess. Their parking need. Didn't current that's got a big parking lot. They distance in there. That's gonna be easy. There's enough bathrooms. yes it was. That was one of our more one of our easier. Covid friendly shooting locations. That plan was great. And you're absolutely right. We made use of and the fact that we had to do this plan because of covid and then because of covid more space made it a lot easier so yeah we wanted to do more urban things but there were just some There was some urban things that would just out of the question because we literally couldn't find space in congested urban environment. So we did our best. You'll see some stuff that is is in the city but it definitely hindered some of our options to titus space but yes at the stadium we were not we. We were spoiled for space when so going to the farm. This really was a construction site a bit but felt for me really like the first time you went back to a location that was really you know detailed from the previous season as well. We're their thoughts about. Let's reprieve some of the challenges. We did at the farm last time. Because i do think that the three challenge from this past episode. We're also incredibly buried. I would not think okay. We're going to the farm. Let's learn how to make horseshoes. Bright part of the going back to that other location was also just because we knew the location. And when you're cova times to test you've everybody's gotta get tested to be able to go to a location so it restricted a lot of restricted our ability to to to scout. We didn't have the same scouting options season one. We were free for all right. Like hey thursday afternoon. Let's drive down to Down a long beach and go scout that thing. Yeah okay oh cool so and so. We'll go down there after the end of the day. Whatever like there's no restrictions now it's like all right. We want to go down and scout and long beach okay. Where's the location. Where are you going to park. Who's going down okay. We need to get you tested. And this is all before. We all went into lockdown quarantine. So it it. You know when i say it was hard shooting. It's not easy. It's everything becomes a has a whole other layer of you know everything becomes more structured so that a lot of that location there. That choice was literally just like we know the location. We know where to park people. We know we can separate people we know. Where would you put people for lunch. I don't wanna get too much behind the scenes but that's the reality of it. You know phil. Can we ask you about going back to last week. Is there anything else that you could tell us about. Mikey eyebrows a big question. That a lot of the fans of had about what happened. We know that he left the show. But is there anything else that you could tell us about what happened. Yeah i mean it's very important for us to have a a respectful environment on the set at a priority for us and we do have some zero tolerance rules and behind the scenes. He unfortunately broke one of those rules. And that's why he's not competing on the show anymore. It's that's really it when something when something unconventional like that happened. Was there a choice as to how forthcoming you would be on the show proper about that type of stuff as opposed to you know like apples and oranges with tara who we saw her injury. She talks through it. You even say at the end of that episode will have medical check it out when you get another unconventional type of situation like that is there. Was there talk about. How do we approach communicating this the viewers. Yeah i mean. I think we made the decision that we were going to just inform the audience that he was off the show. Your you know. Things are moving very very quickly. And when i zero tolerance for some things. There's just not a question right like you cross that line. That's it does no make up. It's that's what it is. So everything is explained to all contestants. All the rules are explained to them. They know there's no. There's no surprises. I think what i think. The positive part of it all is the strength of the format allowed us to pick up the pieces and roll very quickly into five against five and because of the strength of the characters We were able to pick up and move forward. Life is unpredictable. Right like you know. it's life is unpredictable. And i think you've just got a ford four. And i applaud the the cast and everybody for just picking up and moving forward and i can promise you a great rest of the season. I was very impressed with how the cast move forward because both of them lost a teammate. Yeah i was curious what would have happened if only one of the teams had lost teammate. What if it's six and five. How do you adjust for that well. That's a really good question. I mean it it just so happened that the numbers worked in our favor. The i mean chances are like we could be at season thirty two and something like this would never happen again so yeah. I don't know how we would cover every variable but we would have found a way and we would have. We would have also worked it out with the rest of the cast so that they all felt it was fair. You know we. That's fairness in fairness is hugely important to us and we're constantly checking with the cast about when they get briefed with rules on not just the rules about being on the show but the rules of each challenge that they We ask them all of them. Individually do you understand. Do you know how to use this piece of equipment like with the bulldozer. Thing with the guy going back to the guy. Nobody if anybody had said. I need more instruction on how the bulldozer works. Or i don't know what you mean. When you say that lever makes it go forward about we would make sure you know. Short of making sure showed up putting them in there and giving them ten thousand hours of experience where you know everybody good mike. Yeah everybody got it so we we don't for instance steven with briefing the cash. You don't like have half of them going to the bathroom and then half of them getting extra briefing or something that all together you do your best to make the competition as fair as possible. There's real money on the line. And so we want them to feel that when that winner stands there like murph. Did that that person. In everybody's eyes is deserving of being the winner and the same with the team competition that is no argument to. There's no resentment everybody is like gonna be. You know like that's the right person that one or the routine it's important to us. Fill classic about the one of the editing choices of there was a music cue in this episode which was unlike anything that we've had before on the toughest winter sheep and the troll. Yes yes. I was my favorite q. I asked if we had more of it. Because i wanted more of it. I wanted to go deeper into the challenge and apparently it was just one little piece on the front of a music cue but i loved. It was an editor's choice. Snake found it. I was like damn. I love that. That's so cool. So yeah it's kind of stood out a little bit like the spec mix music in our yes hat favorite. Yeah it was. It was great. It was a great moment. Spec nixon sheep mix those big major fill. You also win a very hard on this launch. A sheep show. I different takes. Did you do there was one take. Yeah they give me a hard time on the show chauffeur for throwing in a few bad bad jokes and but listen by the way it was freight train who came in with the the first bad joke and look wouldn't be. I just love silly things like that. I could pass the standards and practices. You know you can't say that but it's kind of funny. It would have been interesting if instead of a sheep. Show was a bleep show. I think that would have drawn money. More blanks quite literally with crowd. As to what i guess. I'm going to save that one for the show that has an an inordinate amount of cursing. Colette the pledge. I feel like Are tough as nails. You should also be able to done. It should be as profane as nails furniture into a construction site. I know how they talk. Yeah well this is very true and and and you know you do wonder you do wonder whether there'll be a day where it'll just be a free for all you know like we. We still have this thing on network television where you're doing. Swear but of course you know. People are swearing and we have to get them dow back. But you know there. There are people who are who don't like profanity. Respect that stick with phil. I also like that. You brought a lot of like concerned. Dad energy to the overtime when angel was smith thing and angel please please slowdown down breathing. We live in a bar closed. The forge you're going. You're going fast for with me Yeah yeah. I mean in all seriousness. Dude you got to like his. You're working with some hot materials and yeah we don't. We don't want an injury so take your time. Think about what you're doing and freight train had the right approach. And he was cool calm and collected waited for the metal to get to the right temperature. This thing that and it was quite a different challenge for fill this week. I think we are good. We mentioned this before. Phil robins earlier on in the week. Simulated a survivor season with the cbs viacom stars that were part of the super bowl commercials and we were so disappointed that we didn't see a phil cogan hiking up mt paramount to show that he truly was tough as nails. It could summit the mountain. Yes i have had a few i had. I've had a few people ask me. Why wasn't the world traveler and it was james. Corden i but i don't know what happened there. I don't know maybe there's something you know. I don't know. I'm getting voted off the top of the mountain i Maybe i got to the top and then skied off or got pushed off or power glided off. Or maybe i was buried in the snow or i know. I know i didn't get invited to the mountain but maybe one day i will As a personal goal of mine to be invited to the paramount. Yes and pitch what you would be doing in the paramount mountain commercials while i would love to have ridden at skardu Dora the explorer. I would've pushed. James corden off that thing and be like the world traveler. Get off that thing. go back to you. Wanna james corden phil cogan rivalry but we need. I would've said james. You can jump on the back. But i'm driving this thing now. I don't know maybe it was just as well. I i understand that they were I understand that they were. They shot like in three countries and people were all over the world but yeah it was a big to do. I don't know. I think we're still part of the content. We're just not part of the promotion. Yes i understand. I watched tough as nails on paramount. Plus this morning. Oh you do okay. So we're we're we're in but we're we're just not in the commercial. When you go to the app you still have to search for it and a does not come on your home screen. Doesn't that's that's the next goal is gone. I know i know what happened to fill it. Was that you. you're about to summit. Mount paramount you brought a horseshoe with you but it was upside down so there you go. So that's what happened all my fellow. You know what i think. It might have been that the work whistle. But it's just it's so loud. They were afraid of an avalanche heavy. Happy i if. I just had a torch. High could have led the way up the mountain but no i had to take my work whistle and as a result i was still back at the beginning in got left in a pile of snow on a related note. I noticed that they were just. Nobody's even pretending that you're blowing the work leading showed you like pointing to people and tell them to go without eating blowing the whistle. There is a whistle sound. No yeah yeah yeah. Luckily you're not blowing out your eardrums. This time standing right next to it. Yeah it might have been. It might have been. That's probably what it is. You're probably right. They didn't want me to bring. That work was so feed. Feared the sound when they were shooting a commercial vlach for sure. That's what it is. I would have started an avalanche and it would come down the paramount and the is it. The para mountain is a pair of should have been should have been the paramount. Okay all right. Maybe next time. I'll i'll next time. I'll say. Listen if you climb the paramount and again to i'd love to join you or maybe you could have been like in your hosting tough as nails duties of look at beavis and butthead climbing up the mountain. They love hiking their travelers. That's a great idea. I would have been on the. I can be on the top of the mountain and go comes. Jeff pros got the torch. Make it first and right behind him. World traveler james gordon. He's coming right up. He's left do who will make it to the top i. What did you like where you guys are going to be more exciting campaign. Yeah i think around two desert please. Yes during desert bugging out of here right. All right phil thank you so much always a pleasure to talk with you and have a great week. All right. Take care of myself. All right wait wait. He didn't pay the check this time. Wait hold on hold on. Wait wait wait horseshoes. All right okay. He's got a wad of cash. Twelve thousand dollars ready to. Did we ever ascertain whether that's real money. It looks real. I don't know to my untrained. Someone go to the atm beforehand and just grab a stack hundreds for the day I don't know look good. Look good though okay. I also thought that this is a freight train. He's like this is my family. I have like and he had like a at least a four by six. Carry it with me. Everywhere like like hovered in like likes slimy ll slide and like i be went in the ocean like i think he mentioned he has won with him at every time at every turn so i think he's got a stack them. It'd be bringing a stack every day. Different what every retrain literally carrying his family on his ass Freight trains shirt and we've mentioned freight trains polo which says delivery guy on it. They did that last season two anytime you had. You worked for a company with a logo. They would just change the logo to say what you did the love that that's like the generic halloween costume your brown-shirt deliveryman for halloween. Yes is it. Could got him a freight train polo shirt. Yeah i don't know why. They have to have a logo on their own instagram. Maybe you can get the licensed freight train polo anything else. Tough as nails episode four. I don't think so i am. I am excited to go into the city next. We are the city. That's where i am more comfortable personally. I'm not a sally. I am more of america. Looks like again. We're going to like amazing race. S it looks like. They're searching in the stadium. Things are they going to run up and down the stairs. Like desmond mike. They're going to do. What was the other life brother. Yeah well that's i mean that's how you would start another race around the world to link with another phil cogan show. Maybe it's you meet up with a friendly doctor who twisted his ankle and patch it up. Give him some friendly life advice for meet up three years from now i. I'm not sure it's going to be an interesting location. Because i wonder what professions were going to focus on as well stadium workers. Sure there's going to be a point where they have a lot to stop what they're doing they're gonna go like groom the field to stop what they're doing. The ymca do the is the overtime to run around the bases and mascot costumes. Aj masks going to be in that episode also. Yes yes okay all right. So that's next time on his now. Believe it or not. they'll be halfway through. Its that's fairly interesting It'll be the fifth episode of the season halfway through season. Two of tough as nails okay. We'll be back next week to talk about it and had some more fun talking about tough as nails. Just what else do you have gone on. I well over on push recaps. Chapelle and i are covering the final six episodes of season ten of the walking dead us and robert. United to coordinate. Because i want you to watch the next one and is this is season tenant or the other eleven one more season eleven. One like painfully dragged out season eleven spanning two years. God yeah nice lines not here yet but it's insight and so we are covering the final six episodes of season ten of the walking dead and then chapelle. I also got together if you are a patron of post show recaps ability to hear us this weekend. Talk about the nineteen ninety eight cinematic. Classic can't hardly wait to. Yes seth green at his most cringely arguable. Oh it's such a cringing movie on so many levels and we had a lot to unpack but we had a really good time talking about it. Yes all right that's Sounds like a lot of fun. Check that one out Mike we talked about our paramount paramount mountain brand steel of course rallies guys mentioned that to fill don't where he was just he likes. He likes silly things. He doesn't like completely ridiculous thing. Now we have work hungry pushing for the record i did. We mention the simulation to fill. I don't think that was we. We were very coy about that. We just talked about commercial. We didn't mention that we did but yes survivor. 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Canada think tank then over on poster recaps. I'll pick up where jets left off because the week before just chapelle got together and liana boras got together to talk about the inimitable. Classic two thousand nine film. Paul blurt ball cop udo show recaps theatre which was a who in the half. Maybe tufnell season three. They'll go inside a mall and do challenges about mall security because that is really a tough as nails job as guided and then over on poacher. Recaps proper we're doing coverage down the hatch with lost. The bloom files were doing some x. Files stuff getting into a rather clone filled a two parter coming up this weekend. And i'm very excited to announce i'm going to be joining. Everything is super for the upcoming series of belkin. End the winter soldier kevin mahoney and latonya starch just regulars passing the shield down to me over. We're going to do a preview. Show to see if that shields bits. 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The Walking Dead | Season 10, Episode 20 Recap: Splinter

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The Walking Dead | Season 10, Episode 20 Recap: Splinter

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Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. The walking dead season. Ten episode twenty splinter is over. But we're just getting started here on post show recaps. My name of course is jessica lease and i've been sitting here in the train car. That goes nowhere this podcast just chomping at the bit to tell you all about my feelings about everything that happened in this podcast and it could be just me here talking on a podcast or it could be a figment moment of my imagination. But i have two gentlemen here who have appeared to me and knocked on the window of my train car and they're coming in to talk about everything that happened this week. At first of all you know him as my regular co host. Please welcome chapelle. I guess we found ourselves in a precarious pickle this week where we get to talk about something something happened yes. Something happened chapelle just for some background. Chapelle internet connection dropped out the first two times tried to record the top of this and i actually i t i let the internet connection into my train car and kick the crap out of it and now it's implying so you know you follow the rules and everything's gonna be okay so you think right. We found out on. Maybe not maybe not. It's really hard to tell. I think we're going to have to decide how much of this we want to believe. In how much. We're not going to believe. But i want to invite also We we invited a third party to talk about all this because it was such an exciting episode. There was just too much going on not enough for the two of us so we brought in a third guide. Here's guy who is no stranger to dark in close spaces you know him as the former mr match and he is now a podcast some renowned. Please welcome aj mass. I was promised three hots and a cot and do i have to keep the gloves on the whole time. That's all. I want to get these players. I think you should keep them. Okay sure okay. i'm good. No i'm good. It's good to see you both. It's good to be be seen. You can see me right you. You don't just hear my voice coming from the other room and maybe not see me the whole drive down from the ceiling. Exactly there you go. It's it's going to be something it's going to be right. It's gonna be orion. Yeah well how is the shower. By the way. The looking louis but other than that just fine strategy i thought so too so anyway yes this was of all of the episodes of the that we have seen. This was one of them. And i wanna remind the audience that this particular subset of episodes and i think like josh wiggins not here and i think we we understand now. He's very over committed but also if he drops in for season eleven he's not going to have missed. Gd thing because they're these six episodes have been dropped in here to tide us over until whenever we get season. Eleven and nothing that we see in here. It's all made up and the points. Don't matter i remember. We call these bottle episodes at one point but now us call them boxcar episodes because there are literally episodes where one character is inside of a box. The entire tom by herself. This is crazy this is insane. We said i just don't understand. You could've kept this. We don't need this you can say. Hey we'll give back to you. After hiatus nope they forced these episodes. We watched him hoping to care to find some similar to what. What is i mean. What what we're leading to and do give us says talking to herself for forty five. I just don't understand. How did we get here. What's happening you know. It is a good question chapelle if you have the limitations of the current pandemic and you have a long stretch of time before which you can make real tv. What is the best way to fill your time. Do you need to put anything out at all or is there a different tactic. We could've taken. This could have been websites. I still i stand by that. They could have been doing the little shorts that they used to do. In walking early between episode you got these little fifteen minute whatever's like this has all been online. This could have been on demand you could just go in and kind of watch it just to just you. Don't lose the pulse of what's going on because of all the episodes so far this one is the one that matters. At least we know nothing more than we already like. Princess had a bad background. I could have guessed that probably that's it. We didn't learn anything. I i don't i don't know i. I want people to watch the show. Because i watched the show. I won't be able to listen to this podcast. Because i talk about the show but i have to sit through. I just wish on anybody. This is insane wish. Do you wish there was a different episode that we'd invited you for of you know of the ones you've seen so far. Here's here's the thing. Hopefully hey full disclosure. I fell asleep the first time i tried to watch this. I did not make it through princess stopping to yumiko or maybe not even i. I fell asleep during that. But i snapped out of it. I want her my case turkish. Our no one was watching unknowns Questions but then. I i went through. I watched the whole episode all the way through. I thought it was well written. I thought it was well acted. I thought the twist in the middle was actually kind of cool and a little bit inspired especially for this show. And i could not be more furious at the fact that this episode existed because at the end of the day we wash an entire episode of an unreliable narrator have no connection to whatsoever so we we don't even know how is this term modus operandi for all time you know we don't we don't care about her really she's not one of our classic broke and at the end of the day. I don't know if any single thing in this episode actually happened. You say just gonna come back. Missed anything. I watched the whole episode. They could have easily just said. Hey getting the train car and opened up next day here your friends. I don't know how much any of that happened. She never left the car ever and will. There was no fighting nothing. Nothing happened as far as i could tell. There was no shower. There was no fight. The guy put his mask back on so therefore he's not bloody because you didn't hit them like none of that happened. I'm going gonna throw out a cultural reference that i know you are going to get. I do not know if this is gonna land with chapelle. Is this better or worse than bobby ewing in the shower. Well it's better because it's time that was a whole season of erasure. Ret conning there. I think it was. It was a show at the height of its popularity. That completely said screw you guys. We don't care that you watch that whole season. It didn't happen. it was were written. That's what annoys me. Is that if you are skilled enough to write an episode with a twist in the middle of that. There were so many ways that this could have gone in a slightly different direction and i would have cared. All we needed was one other person's point of view in in the course of this and since they're already there it could easily have been ezekiel a show somebody else's point of view so that i know that some of this happened but because we never see anyone else's point of view were already in a season where we know these episodes have any meaning filler. But now it's filler that you didn't even care enough to make count as filter you just Oh by the way. Delete delete. delete the expectations. The very good points. It was well ridden. I will say that. Even the like i said the twist i oh shoo. That's weird guest. Oh it's brutus cool but then a reset at the end. There's so this is a trip in the mind of princess. And i just don't know if the princess stands where clamoring for the who really wanted. This is like we could have gone to the heads of any of the characters. I probably would put principle bottom of my list. I just what is why are we not attached with her to her right now. So there's no point. tell me what ezekiel about. We've spent more time with him. You know give me anything. Even what you talk about is his girlfriend. Let's talk about the things that we left. You know just kind of out in the in the open for us to speculate about instead. We learn nothing unique rubric on beginning to think. I might have misjudged the affects of our more officers. You jade producing for years. I don't know i. I kind of fell off the eugene bandwagon when he defected and then defected. Back lasted longer than me. Well i loved the guy. It was one of those situations like the jamie lancaster where it's like you forget that in the first episode pushed kid out a window because now he's kind of cool. I kind of conveniently forgot that. Eugene lied about everything in his life and also likes to watch his best friend have sex. Oh now he's kind of quirky nerdy guy. And i'm okay with this now. He's useful but with what with all due respect. She does allow me into the house now to spend time with her kid. He lost me when he made when he made up the cure. That's when he lost me. I would have sa- back slapped. They took off the other direction and they kept him around. I don't understand but you know what he was one of the refreshing parts of this episode because it was not princess what else no he was it turns out this was around the log on long all along at the very end and she looks to the left. Hey there's no hole in the wall where is splintered. She looks to the right. Hey there's no hole in the wall over there which you know at first. I thought it was like what kind of people are gonna put somebody in a holding cell. They haven't checked out to make sure that there's no giant coral of the pack right even the terminus daniels said this is a and it's locked. They also put all those different weapons inside of the box. Terminus was not a brain trust. Let's not get this sure. Sure sure but there. I'm going you know watching this. I'm getting. I'm getting angry during the episode because as like how the hell is zeki ohio in this thing. That's not possible you notes back and he's at his shadow guy's not going to see them and then there's like oh it's owner head but then i'm like oh it's like emphasis on all it's like. Oh it's all in our hair. Oh it's all in all of it the entire episode like even the parts that weren't as you realize they can come back. I can honestly they can come back. And we'll start a season eleven. Have them back in the original train yard and have nobody come out and get them and they can make that count like it was just a whole. The whole thing was what i had this crazy. Dream that we were attacked by rejects stormtrooper. I guess i was making. Can we get into the storm troopers. Just tell you have opinions about stormtroopers walking around where we georgia. They're they're in west. Virginia i think west virginia. I believe yes with jenny. Yeah i mean. I don't know maybe the only place that they could find armor to outfit themselves was like a warehouse at a spirit. Halloween store really high-end stormtrooper costumes and they're like god damn it. These are clone troopers i wanted. Og stormtroopers good. you imagine. That's like the thing right. We like we gotta get outfit for the for the apocalypse in a party city. Always my question if you are in the apocalypse and there's like one store that has not burned down or been looted or full of zombies and that's the story that you have to outfit everybody in your party from. What is the best possible store for that to be. And you know the for the purposes of good storytelling. It was always be like army navy surplus or something like that or it would be a costco or something. Boring may submit. It should be a spirit halloween or it should be like a clothing warehouse from the nineteen sixties that everybody forgot about. I would be happy with that. I just i just have a vision. My head is that we're gonna we're going to finally meet the next group of big bads. We're in green. Morphos suits dress like the in jakarta something now. Is this constantly throughout the apocalypse. This is just what it doesn't make any sense. I can't believe they did. This says i'm offended. It looked like they looked like the uniforms from the hunger. Games can see absolutely and it's it's not okay. it's not like it's just disappointing. Because i really so much the first couple of episodes of the little you know many refresher course. I i enjoyed the daryll and cavanaugh. Wasn't greatest episode not like going woohoo. I can't was enjoyable. That's the last week with father. Gabriel and and the the mays is you know the drinking and all that was was really fun to see and i enjoyed it even though i knew in the end it really doesn't matter because their characters that i knew and i got to see where they are now in touch base with them and it would. This one gets princess and i liked her. But i don't know her. And i don't need an entire episode this going on you know. Wh when bruce willis showed up at the very end and this was all part of john kerry who was on the upset. What have what would have been better. It was brad pitt. Just saying it's the beautiful mine of all it. I don't i don't get it. I don't get it. There were so many different ways that this could go You didn't have to include this foursome. You didn't have to include this force. And i understand actors availability ability. You know you work with what you can get. I mean they had Entire scene without the actress in it because the actress who plays yumiko was The uk in quarantine and couldn't actually come back and she just did a voice over. I get that and they did. It makes working that in given their limitations but why why why did you really entertaining aspect of it is looking at all the ways. They had to film around quarantine. That's the that's the project for this whole thing right instead of looking at these episodes as actual entertaining episodes that you know. Let's start looking at all the hoops. They had to jump through right to make this thing work. Like yumiko is calling in and basically just doing our lives over the phone so we've had what was it darryl and his girlfriend they couldn't you know actually be intimate touch hands. All the kovic quirks is what we should be going in and kinda like make an document about and just kind of playing them back in our heads. Because that's really what we're going to take from this season all the movie magic that went into this. I mean i had to laugh in the first episode when they're in the woods walking around and like all right let's bring out about six feet apart and yeah that'll do succeed right. Yeah i joy the fact that they were working round hole a character. Who's wearing a mask him in here. You know because he has though like even hooper's like okay well. He's disappointed that wearing masks so they can get as close as they want. I get it. It's clever it's it's probably a little too clever by half but like again. I'm not upset that they tried something. I'm upset that given that this is what they were going to try that they didn't episode. That has no meaning even within this limited format that. That's what that's what angers me so. Aj how many how. Many episodes of princess di we need to have like. We've only seen her. Basically we got one episode of princess and then we got the inside of princess's mind. Deep a deep eternal sunshine esque dive into her innermost psyche. How many episodes do we need to have featuring a character before this land. I mean you know this could land. If it's her introduction episode it really could. i don't think we need. Because then it's like who. Is this woman kind of thing. And she's interacting with our cast and like okay and they're behaving in strange ways and i can see that maybe what. She imagined the fact that she joined this group. He married suit her way into the walking dead. That would actually be interesting so i. i don't think it's necessarily the number of episodes. It's just the fact that for this particular thing to land for me. I have to care about her and she so low down on the pecking order of characters. Right now that. I care about given that we know that. There's you know everyone's been sent to the ones i wanna see judas. I want to stay with her that that. That's something that's really important right. Michelle has gone. Do we really know how she feels about. Michelle being no. We really don't. That's something i've really need to see. I know we saw we. We got maggie and that's great returning. She's been gone for outlets. Pick her brain as he where she's at. That's great darren. Count always crowd-pleaser. Even if this been eugene centric. I would have been fine with it. Because he's a character. We know. I wanna know how is he really feeling about the fact that he led his friends into this. If this is indeed. What's actually happening. Like that would be interesting. I said she's a woman we've met once kinda thought. She was a little squirrelly. She admitted i'm crazy. I haven't seen anybody and it's great to explore that but we don't have a baseline for her and that's why this doesn't work. So here's a question and chapelle. I wanna hear your thoughts on this especially because this. Is you love it when i try to fix the show. Aj we got your shot at fixing the show. I thought it was beautiful. I think it would fix the show. Could we get away with having this exact same episode. Take place inside. The mind of another character could have eugene doing like a dark kermit thing and having princess be a manifestation of his psyche. Does that work. Is anybody bat shit enough for this to work. Yeah i was thinking about that. Why was was talking. I was thinking you know. What if this was ezekiel right. Like what is the zeke. You had gone to sleep. And this was a dream sequence right and he wakes up and all the things that he dreamed you know he had imagined and nothing has happened but we care about ezekiel so we would have learned something about ezekiel and what he's thinking and his background because we know him as the king or that we met with tigers now we get to learn about his background and why he is the way he is and it will make us more invested in this character. Who we think is here for the long haul. We don't know princess we got. We don't really know of at work saying gene like aj. How does he feel. This is a perfect opportunity to explore. The minds of the people who were supposed to be invested in is this showing that we're supposed to be invested in Maybe but it's just a weird spot to put it in you know it's not like in an investment moment. It's more like a in a in a in a story moving moment and it's like well. How'd you started with princess and his box Oh look at this woman. Who's kind of little. She's a little off in know she has. He's this vivid imagination. And you know this. Adhd security Stuff she listed and that would be our introduction her. But this doesn't didn't tell us anything we didn't already know we knew she was crazy. So yeah i think for someone else. They probably would've worked but for this character. No not really. I think ezekiel is perfect. I think ezekiel's perfect erica. Because you throw in there somewhere. That is equal realizes. He's he's fantasizing about this and he thinks he's dead because he knows he's dying this can earn and we think. Oh my god is he dead. Moans this how. He's gonna say goodbye because it's not like they haven't done the alarm dying fever dream before. I think we know that race has gone through that so this can happen when he's not dead. We're so relieved and happy like he survived this crazy pandemic time like we all did like he got through this episode. We'll be triumphant. We probably won a great episode. How singing the praises not dead and we get to now see how he's going to come back for his borrow time that he knows he has this woodland. Aj and i know why wouldn't land because we know that they are not going to kill off a character as majors king hezekiah in these episodes that do not matter like what if they did that and people just come back and season eleven and is like oh i miss hezekiel. It's too bad he died. We'd all be so angry at killing him off during the season part. That doesn't matter. Well you would be angry because we we're watching really only ones watching this young people. Listen to this podcast. Do not watch the show Tell us every week. But no i think. Aj made a good point just with ezekiel because even in that moment it would be one of these things that kind of in the same vein as the russian roulette game. For gabriel right. It was a character building moment as well right. So he already is a pastor. Amana the cloth. But now he's going through these like you know you can't understand. It's faith at this moment. He's questioning things and he has kind of come to terms with okay. Yeah i did. Everything happens for a reason. He has to have that realization. But it takes that whole traumatic moment and maybe this is gabriel coming into the terms with his. I'm sorry ezekiel coming to terms with his mortality. You know like okay. I'm dying but you know he goes through that and then we look at him as a more full character later on. We knew princess was crazy. This just five. She was crazy. This didn't give us anything else. It was like the crazy woman is having a crazy moment. And we're like okay. that's too bad. We hope she does. She's not as crazy tomorrow but it does make us care anymore about her craziness. In fact it makes us more likely to not want her around the characters we do like because she's just going to get them in trouble because she's going to splinter into some other reality at the most inopportune moments in then we're are the people care about. This is pretty opportunities. Well so it was like. This is not a great time to be having this moment and i was already questioning her thought process throughout because like eugene is telling her to do stuff and she's like no i'm not gonna do it. And then ezekiel shows up. She's like well. We should listen to you eugene. Now listen anytime you say we should listen to eugene. I'm automatically like all on my be here. Misguided the just in and she was very like intent on. I well that we have to do this so we have to go with okay. she's lost. You know this better off. And so yeah. I don't trust her with the people that i care about. I really want her to not be with them so that they could survive because she seems like a liability at this point i mean unless we forget into a minefield for no recent. Yeah literal minefield. Yeah yeah well. There is a point. Actually it's funny. We're talking about like the characters we and the characters. We don't know i i caught onto the this is all taking place in her head of it all about thirty seconds before they confirmed it was all taking place in her head. Because i realized this does not strike me as something king he he'll would do and it struck me as something that somebody might project to him if they did not know him very well And it just kind of drove home. Like i know that walking dead frequently doesn't know what to do with its characters and makes them do things that they probably wouldn't do but this seemed really out of character for what he's doing he's not just going to drop through a ceiling and be like i'm gonna i'm gonna break some guy's face in murder him with my bare hands because i'm in it for my one last adventure that's not. That's not him and it just said to me. This isn't him. This is something else. And then i didn't quite get thought. Maybe some of the rest of it had happened to now. I don't think any of it happened. I think none of this matters. This matters less than everything else. That doesn't matter really gonna burn. My bridges is that when we do come back and they are walking with bags on their heads and the character who interrogated hers sunday. Going to confirm that that scene did take place really going to be upset. Websites massacre like. oh dude. What happened your face by blood. Yeah and he's like. Don't make me interrogator. don't make me hit you again. I'll break your second time like there's going to be something that's going to intimate that some of this did happen in on. Just not here for that at all. None of it happened like we went through. All of that happened but honestly if something happened. I'm going to create it because like if you think about it. Even the interrogation was just like her saying. I don't know anything about these people. I just met them. I don't know their ages. I know their names. On from pittsburgh. We knew that in the beginning. Tell me we did all of his just for you to interrogate her for her to say the same thing. She's been saying the entire episode. I don't like that. Why are we doing his. Only the only way that you could have been better is if you said. Listen as long as it's not me says that would that would drive me crazy. Because all of that was to interrogate her and she knew nothing and she always knew nothing and she was never gonna know anything and they didn't get anything from interrogator he's like all right. We got it opens the door back to normal. Like yeah it gotta be because even through all of that. She was in learning anything. Yada learn any more about presenting you already do. I didn't know before this. But i heard it four times throughout this episode. I know it. that's it yeah. I mean i hope that when they come back in the next season and we encountered this group again. It's it's literally to the point where they are walking in hoods because i have no problem with the fact that if you're gonna take someone to your home base you don't want them to see where you're going that's fine from with interrogation. Had rix so that. That's that's fine in theory you know. I really hope that they just like you know walking around and she's like do to. We trust them in. Like you know all that happened is they gave us a abedin. Let us sleep. But you know you you to reach his gun. Trip fell and knocked out. And you were. You were sleep all night and never in the morning and you you know. We laughed so i don't know what your problem is confirmed for us that none of that happened and that they weren't bad people and evil because of the fact that they showed you know if it's in her brain issues afraid they might be well that school if they just turn out to be evil. I don't need that. I really so many evil people. We don't need more evil people and it was. It was hard to watch because everything was pointing to these people but the evil people kept saying. We're not evil. We'll stop beating everybody up and throwing them in boxes and all this other stuff and watching them shower naked coming kind of evil guy only to find out that it might not have happened and maybe they're not evil so i'd rather them not be evil because you've been active pretty evil this whole time and you know so it feels like if they are evil than this was always time. Yes and i don't want it to be a waste of time you guys. We'll be still have another season to watch. But i also don't want to spend the entire next season being like are they evil or are they not evil or did it happen and i hate it so much for that reason it and it's also like if this is extra credit doing whatever small fraction of the walking dead viewing audience that watched this episode is gonna come in with extra doubt that none of the rest of the viewing audience is going to have that changes the equation to this needs to not matter at all it needs to not be crucial now pretty much. It's been a. It's been a weird season so far but this was by far like you know kind of the strangest thing because it was a bottle episode within a bottle episode. It was Box it was it was so it was so random almost like let's just pick somebody and make them have this internal battle in show everybody that it's someone that we don't we don't care about. It could have been any character having the same story and princesses probably in the top. Three of people who we wouldn't care about having the same storyline maggie coulda. Did this probably would care. We would've saw like maybe some glenn flashbacks or something like that would talk to talk. Maybe talk show or something like that like those are meaningful conversation with people that we actually care about. Don't care about princess and her mom. Sorry i really wish idea by jal in though yeah. Here's the funny thing. I think what i got from this. I learned more about the writer's room at the walking dead than i did about anybody on the show. This episode. because what i learned from this is that the raiders room has a lot of affection for princess. And there some she is someone. They know a lot about and they are eager to share that with us. They know where she's going. They know she's going to be an important character. And i don't want to spoil the comics aj. I don't know where you're at with comics. I know chapelle has never messed with comex. And it's probably for the best but she becomes a very important character if we're following the comics at all and so i feel like the writers note that she's going to be a big focal point of the upcoming season and they have all this information about where she's going what she's doing that we don't know yet and so it's almost like you've dropped into a conversation that people are having about something you know nothing about. And they're halfway through the conversation and they have inside jokes about it and everything and you're just trying to piece together what they're even talking about. Yeah yeah it's Near the same time they make her so stupid her so stupid which he's crawling out underneath the gate to get stuck by the gun. You doesn't oh. Maybe i should do. I know well. I guess i can't go through you know. And then we see zeki with the ghost of the polar express. Some know what that was. Like i said and yet at the end of the day i still thought it was well written tonight. I liked the dialogue. i liked. What like you were saying. I like what they did for. Princess just says chapelle set. Don't care right now. And maybe next season i will. But it just yeah. It's too soon for the big. Reveal it we get on the show a lot for for characters not asking the questions to other characters that would easily solve a problem or you know for these hidden. Motivations that Even maggie in this. I want to tell you the story what happened era. But i'm just not ready right now. I have to wait till these eleven. Yeah it involves a flashback that we haven't shot yet. They're also lease once. I get to know her. I can see a real heart to heart with ezekiel that where she can tell that same story and it will have an impact and i think it's it's so well written for character. It's just not the right time for and it's really not the right time when you saying we're giving you six episodes but really you know you really wanted to just see what's going on with Thee those are coming up because Yeah we got this one. Sorry yeah you you. You pointed out that this is a well written episode and jessen said that probably on every episode so far in these bottles. And i'm starting to think this is kind of like one of those a writing exercise for them to almost like a writing pissing contest right like okay we give you three characters. Make magic and the writers are going to town. You got darrell. What's his secret love interest. And he's doing like you. The we talked about it. It was like one of those rom com hem and the girl boy girl girl meets dog. You know that kind of things and then you had the last episode with with the okay. We give you three characters oath. Wait one is a twin. You know like oil an improv contest and thrown it all that you and they're trying to make the best story every week they're doing a good job but it's kind of like once you step away from. It was like a sketch comedy. Show once you step away from it. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of what we've been watching it. So that's what frustrating. All this great talent and we're being put into enacting put into these. Episodes differ the next episode to be completely disjointed and not like even touch anything. You've been accustomed to learning about and so it was like yeah we can. We talk a lot of crap about the show right now because this was frustrated. Watch but we gotta get the right of some credit because they are completing the assignment of doing and with the little bit that they have and so. I'll give them that but it's reluctant for sure. Yeah star writers you. You turned into as if like for for at the start of the pandemic when they were like what. Are we going to do what we're going to take a break and we're gonna figure something out but for now. Just take a break you know. Angela can gave them all copies of colson whitehead zone one which is a phenomenal his pulitzer prize winning author and it's a phenomenal zombie book that he wrote and he wanted to be a literary zombie novel. Because he's he's high falutin he's he's he uses big words a brilliant. It is a brilliant novel. And i see a lot of similarities with the stories. They're choosing you know one of the things that he says that everyone has a survival story but you tell the survival story version depending on. How much time do you think your spend with the person do they deserve story or do they. Just get the yeah was i was in pittsburgh in everybody died. Story like which level has story. Do you give them. And i saw kind of hints of that in this in this story like yeah. You don't get the story but you get the story you know and i really do feel like they'd be like hey let's us right one of those. Let's whitehead sorry walking dead yet but it doesn't count just for fine support for this. Podcast comes from paypal. Small business owners. Turn your smartphone into a cash register pay pal. Qr codes or the safe and easy way to get paid in store and they deliver the same security and trust pay pal is known for online in person. Even if you're a cash only business with paypal. Qr codes you can accept credit or debit with everyday low fees. 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Every episode is probably got. Maybe three max like like we saw some like birds zombies but we only get three walkers in every given episode. Because it's like okay. We're gonna make you right. Azzam be story but the twist. Is there no zombies. You gotta tell a story about the world of zombies with these characters but with no actual threat to their lives. You have an hour go. And i think that's what we've been doing every week and it's a fun exercise i probably don't need to. I don't need to read your homework after you turn it in. I believe you did it. Yeah yeah yeah. It's it's and yeah and it wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for the fact that this show has been on for so long that you know we've been saying all this time like you know by now. There are more just a nuisance. They're not a threat and so if we don't really need them to be the threat. Then why do we need. The real threat. Is humanity indeed so deep every season we get it is obviously the people but this time they ran out of bees is like literally here isn depot but apparently for princess the real figments of imagination or the friends. We met along the way. So it's man vs man. It was man versus nature now. It's man versus men now. It's man versus himself. We're hitting all the marks indeed indeed be not giving him enough credit yes not. It's a tenth. English class really would have had a field day with the series windows man versus food show on if only they can find some food. We realized that that's not something they're good at yet. Escapes dome was in world beyond with the lady sandwich that was man versus food seat of our guys one of the other things that i wanted to point out to is. If you're if you're a good guy maybe don't wear stormtrooper outfits. It's hard to convince somebody that like no with you walking around like are you sure. Because i'm sure there were other costumes you why didn't like griffin doors or something you stayed. We should wear robes for the good guys. I'm just saying if you went in there. Foul the most areas outfit. You could file. Yeah will show them that. We really should be trusted. Okay maybe no. Hey you. I know you're over in the stormtrooper off party city but i went to bed bath and beyond next door. I'm wearing this cool bathrobe. I would trust to say. I mean this is how you knew. The guys from the kingdom were okay because they just four football pads that was like it was like watching varsity blues. King don't laugh allow gene laughing the want your love. Abraham actually do want your life you. Oh yeah it's bad all the way around but yeah. I think this is the most like these. People are walking around with big. I am evil signs ongoing. I'm not our promise. So what are you talking about. It's all your mind. Are you sure on one of those. Yeah it's it's a lot. So i wanted to call out i. There's a whole there's a whole segment were. They're locked up pending paperwork. And i thought that was an interesting shout out. I was like waiting for the theme song. Brazil to come in there and it's like oh are we now. Are we now insinuating. These guys are fascist. That's like that's why we got stormtrooper uniforms. And we're going to have like a lot of bureaucracy. Is this a new kind of evil. Are we bringing in a new angle on. We had the crazy evil. We had the like thirst for power evil. We had the evil that just wants to destroy. And now we've got the bureaucracy mundane yes. The royal brazil was what we saw wasn't it. It'd be repelling from the ceiling. how fake out. Not actually where they think they are. Yeah shifting my name. My name's not princess trinh says it was a typo a that. Remind moment to two of which are on here. I remind me of a moment where they say. Well what's your name princess. She says it's prince has a lot to me. I think we're okay. She teas my stupid. Like as a person whose name chapell field that. I think ten years into the zombie apocalypse. You're allowed to call yourself whatever you want. They're not gonna check your drivers license a well. They they might collect driver's license. Might you mean to tell me. Can you use it deals name. Is it really king. That's not his first name his name him that he might not even really being named ezekiel for sure. If you had to pick a name. I think zeke is not a bad name if you want to go to like if you if you wanna have this persona about you have this big tiger majestic chapelle. So i wouldn't. I wouldn't change my name. Caesar pelley if. I had the choice so i could see. Yeah no date. In his ambi- apocalypse. I won't be looking for chapelle. They look for some other guy kings zinc metrics here for it. You make a great king chapelle. Thank you just is there. Is there anything we were supposed to take. From some of like the really deep moments we had would princesses you know Any thoughts right like we got a lot of like like quotes about like her being a good friend and you know about the splinter in about her mom. Is there anything to take away from this and say this is a lesson learned I think it reinforces and again. This is not new information. This is just reinforcement of previous old information. I think she comes around at the end to being all in on these people. And i think a lot of what she's going through in this like are these people evil. Are they not evil. It's not are the people that could us in the train car evil. It's also are these people. Were doing all this for and they evil. I've known them a week. They could just be awful people. It's hard to tell. And then she decided she's going to throw a lot in with them. And i think they i think maybe my favorite my favorite part is when ezekiel is out there with polar express on bs. He's like everybody's bad. Just run away from it all and and processes but they came back for me in one of those is like came that for me part of the whole for a ringtone and it was like oh well if the zombie is speaking the words. I think the zambia's speaking the most true words of the entire episode. Hm interesting as i do like that. Yeah if you if you take. This as a dream sequence takes says just exploration of her psyche. You know it is telling that you know she sees ezekiel as her protector. She sees him as someone who can take care of her. Who's going to be the father figure that she never had. And and that's where the trust lies and that she did go back into the train car. She listened to what eugene told her to do. I mean she didn't follow through interrogation but you know she could have just run off then to go back to the train car and she went into the drinker. So i do think that we see that. At least in her innermost sane core. Like you said we see. She trust these people. And that's what she's coming to the realization of whether or not they're also the first people she seen so grain of salt you know she could be one of those hell look over there. Look at that object. I'm going to go over there now. But at least for now she had the opportunity to run and even if it's just in her mind this opportunity to run she could have cut bait with them and she chose not to assuming that the doors opening she she seeing them with the hoods on israel. She reacted horrified. So you know like oh my gosh my friends. So there's that but we knew the already serving all in on the group. I guess that sorta season we have our princess and now we were. We are saved. I'm sure the book readers a lot. Yes this is going to matter but for someone like myself. You know her caring about this group of people that she does. It doesn't really do anything for me. I like the zeki throughout the episode. Saying these aren't even your friends. Are my friends like like. That's what i'm thinking. Why do you care so much. Take go get out of here. What are you doing. And she's like well we gotta listen. Jj gene gene. Let's listen to me. I'm the ezekiel that's eugene. You know so. I enjoyed that part of it because the whole time. I was thinking the same thing. What are you doing only to find out that this had it. Sounds like she was just trying to come to terms with those very same thoughts. It just was a lot to get there honestly. It was a whole lot. And so you know. I don't have many takeaways from this episode except i guess now i'm gonna be looking forward to. How can the writers outdo themselves next week right. We've seen them what they do with two characters we've seen what they do with three characters in. Its win all three characters. We've seen what they do with characters and a dog drives eli. what's next. How do they up themselves. You know to impress us again with these bottle episodes because so far i mean the next one's is gonna be judas just by herself you carrying. It's going to be like a coming of age tale of six year old girl because they have to figure out a way to make to to put off their writing chops to the test in this apocalypse with no zombies. Can they have an episode with no dialogue. I speak that. There's already a lot of and growling in this show. We don't need an episode no dialogue. What about a musical episode. i'm out. it's i'm princesses s.'s. Hasn't been the score for this episode. Doing another zone isn't it isn't her head again. So many like. I read this about the evolution of the toy story movies where one is like the nature of like realizing your existence as a toy and the next one is about coming to grips with the increasing maturity of your owner than the third one is moving onto the next phase of life and then leaked the eventual progression of store story. Five is they're all going to transcend and kill. God is like this is where we're going next like we're going have to like go forth dimensional in the next episode man. I here's a here's a thought wanted you do an entire episode from the point of view. Islamic o was just all zombies. Yeah you camera pointed. yeah daily life. Zombie like a hardcore henry. But this is not. This is not okay. Maybe if who was walking around with zombie like bodyguards as a machine right when she was walking around with chains. That would have been time to do it. Because you had like a coast to the dialogue and stuff. But i don't wanna see them staring through the fence. Six feet away from somebody watch watching this area old but i will say this you know the guy. I think we talked about it last time. Just the social media guy on the walking dead like twitter was saying they're going to be the worst thing that he's ever seen on the walking dead a day. He tweeted that it was not this episode because he deleted the tweet annoys renewed. So okay so who is next week like what is next week. Do we know we consult the post. I know i know what the small blurb is. at least. I know that it is a another daryl carol episode. Wait we get to yes. And it is the two most beloved characters currently in the walking dead franchise and it's the worst episode of all time or look. He said last week that this one was supposed to be then. He tweeted this week. No it's the next one. So i don't know how you can. I have to believe he's wrong. If this daryl and carol there's no way it can be worse than what we just even if you did this same. Exact storyline with daryl. We will care more. So daryl and carol from the point of view of dog actually kind of cool walk again man. We i've seen other tv shows. Do it like this before. I wanna come to mind is honestly community at is showing his his his dad in his mom talking about his mental disability. Or whatever i think. I think was back then. And he's showing it through the lens of his camera and so he goes and he makes a film and then he's able to play back to his parents but the whole film is kind of like the show through his camera. Lens and yeah. I can see dog. Walking in. And out of the room. Seeing daryl and carol having arguments and talk killing zombies and he's just kind of standing there everything it would be horrible. I rage it'd be interesting. Like i say if the writers are doing some type of thought exercise on what they what you can do with limited characters. I'd like to see it go for it. What else in the lab. We might as experiment through. It's horrible conclusions could could could. We see it's all from the point of view of zomba fide. Madison beer has need to bring kim dickens back. Somehow i'm sorry chapelle. I know i'm hurtin. Ya gotta figure out what we what we can do to make this worse. They're not just cannot see of the no. I just can't see maybe maybe darryl's girlfriend comes back and then is just like yeah girlfriend comes back and she's a zombie and hoping is shot hardcore henry style from her point of view. We don't very and she doesn't know she's dead because she's only and maybe she's having fought in her head and could start go haywire. This fight killer. What was that movie. That was the love story and the guy was zombie and she brought him back to humanity bodies. Yes warm bodies. I remember warm bodies. Oh my gosh. I forgot that was julia was was are hers was jewel. Yes action now. It's probably the first time more bodies up in conversation in you know twenty twenty one for sure but definitely years cute. It was cute. i liked it. It had its moments zombie. You know this this. So i mean we. We're not picky zombie department for sure all right. So what else do we have to say about this episode. Is there anything else we could possibly say about this episode speech. Liz but here. I am i been i said i. I commend them for the effort on some points and i hate them for the effort on the others. It's just it's just. I i've never been this ambivalent -ly angry about a show that i have. I have to admire what they did. Even as i despise what they did it just it. It's this is not a this is not a cliffhanger neagh in who did he kill kind of anger or a. I can't believe that you know you. You did killed that character kind of anger. Rick didn't die. Like i'm not gonna look but only one plant shirted bursa can do that. And i i just i'm just befuddled. I'm just very befuddled. Right now and i don't think that's gonna go away because like you said the points don't matter it's fun to think about it. We're gonna do scenes. You're basically what it is. It's actually kind of fun to think about. Rob was a guest on this episode. Because if you think he was upset last. I'm to tell me i always owner. What five seconds ago. Yeah he would not be happy would be writing. Amc letter strong. Murray is it. Henry came back and some days. I wish rob was still watching this and other days. It's like i wanna keep my job. Exactly you know injustice normally good at finding the silver linings. I would be really interested to know. Just what do you think 'cause you tell me to make it okay josh. Because he can look at something. It'd be like well. It's not so bad but a lot of time looking at josh. like no. it's bad. You know what i mean. Come on you know. Maybe this new society has pizza. I it do it do it should stay about. It's like okay. yeah i should. I should have him watching star trek card. He would've had a lot of thoughts on the pizza. Josh there for anytime you see somebody eating something. Nobody ate anything like you could see a tray in the background. If josh miller on this podcast we would have had spent fifteen minutes on. What do you think was on that. Trae the flashback. The sandwich lady is still like i knew i could see the glimmer in his is dying to talk about eating sandwich. Josh just say it. Just say we're going to have twenty minutes on chugging the mountain dew and twenty minutes on the sandwich. I just figured out. Thank you for reminding me. I just figured out where the doing next week shadow public show here down here. In puppets ruined community. So we we made it the pup though we didn't hate it every franchise gets one unless you are the muppets in which case you get all of them and then you get one. That has no puppets tune in for season. Three episode seven of the muppet show on her nap. next week. On robin robin. Come up with a multi week. Who is the guest on that episode. I don't think there's a guest grabbing a g- gonna handle this on their. Who is the guest on the show. I think it alice cooper. Ooh that's a good one. That's going to be good and okay. Well i think. I think we're winding down now. We're just kind of making fun of everybody else on the network and you all the best. Podcasts do eventually degenerated to everybody making fun of their friends. So aj mass. What else are you up to my neck in trouble. Know you're such an impressionist thank you thank you thank you so much neither did i must must be all of my head i am. Of course doing my. Espn thing and covering a baseball season starts next thursday. So we're coming up on opening day so espn dot com got the exciting preview articles on their fear incident. That sort of thing Also joss publishing later this week. The final episode of might beat my guest tournament Podcasts that's exciting final episode been sixteen competitors kind of front less four months and winnowing it down on we got the just the edit that episode and get it up there also my friend guarded. I have started. A new venture is a podcast. Called the loneliest pundits and we are doing a full fifteen season three hundred and twenty three episode criminal minds rewatch. Oh no you're not are how wayne podcast about this six years and six months. Hey this is seriously. Sounds like if we were doing a skit about podcasts. That were making fun of people doing podcasts. It would be like what kind of podcast are you doing. Aj over doing a full re watch six seasons of criminal minds. This is real. This is a real thing. You're doing absolutely real. The first two episodes are our live and we take it with the proper amount of this show is awful but it is awfully good in its awfulness and we have a good time Just the really going through a cantata has never seen the show. My wife and i for the past probably ten to fifteen years have just had it on in the background when we go to sleep just to have noise so i probably ended up seeing bits and pieces of every episode about six hundred times. So it's it's it's just an interesting to get it from two different perspectives. I think this is just a transparent bid to get people to buy you matthew gray gubler garb from the cbs store. A komodo would be lovely five dollars throw with his face on it five years. Now i'm gonna laugh at someone just as hard when they say we're going to go do a deep dive into the walking dead franchise watch every episode. You have this aim reaction. So don't worry it's not for you. It's just the absurdity of going and putting a task like that. Oh my gosh you've got to be doing three episodes. There's no way you're ever going to finish. This is too much. there's no end. Oh you just lit a fire under me boy. good luck. that's that's that's an undertaking. I salute you sir. Thank you very much. It'll be a lot of i do. I do believe that. I should tell you. And i'll be talking soon as well. Yes i very excited to announce that this week on the rob has a podcast reality. Tv rewind be with aj mass himself and rosa's the nino to talk about season two episode one of work of art search for the next great artist that aj pitched himself. And i worked really really hard to make sure that we ready to do so. I am excited to talk about the suck. Lord forgot about that. That's the past. I'm definitely watching. This is the commie brennan fraser. Because that was a blast from the past. I'm gonna watch the hell out of that. That's great gonna have a good time. Yeah yeah that's my next undertake. Bryce is isaiah. And i are going to be watching something for the purple pants podcast. I believe we're going to be watching. Set it off. Starring queen latifah the bank heist movie from the nineties. But it probably won't be released for another week or so and then recently. Of course i don't know if you do but i was on the last episode of robin and keeping these a podcast about the greatest. Tv shows theme song of all time part two so part one. We did all the normal ones right. The brady bunch gilligan's island ball but this time we got into the weeds on some of the you know unsung heroes of the tv. Show themes odds and people are upset. People not have their famous have gone out. The records have been busted and they have been very vocal today. And i've loved every second of it so if you have time and you want to get into three our podcast about television shows and be upset with us. Please go checkout robin akita podcasts. To dissect everything that we designed and You know correct your wrong opinions about your favorite. Dvd's i mean spoiler alert. They spend fifteen minutes talking about the scrubs theme song fifteen minutes. Yeah and let's just say groves didn't play a big part in the end up brackets minor character. It was all in their heads the whole time. If you want to listen to something more frustrating than is episode of the walking dead. Go listen to us. Talk about scrubs only for not matter at the end of the day those remain that so that's going on. Just what about you amazing. Yeah i have one other podcast that i do regularly every week and i do not exhaust myself enough doing this. Podcast and grinning off mental energy. I replenish over the week. And then i get on the on this podcast with rob sister and mike bloom and we talk about the. Cbs show tough as nails which is right up there with criminal minds as far as a fine achievement in the world. Cbs programming but we are so good at our jobs that the host of toughest nails. Mr cogan regularly joins us to talk about everything behind the scenes of the show. And we have so much fun. Because phil usually comes in at eleven and he goes up from there and it is really been the singular joy of my podcast and career to get to do all of that toughest nails talk with phil so that drops every friday morning. If y'all want that. I don't even know if you need to watch tough as nails. I think it probably can't hurt. But the podcast itself is very very fun and then i'm going to be joining some folks this weekend to talk about community we are. We have a podcast on post. Show recaps called community. Buildings started out as a patriot. Only perk and has now moved up to the majors and every week josh twitter just sterling and talk about an episode of community and we are up to one of my personal favorites. It is one that features amazing song that has been stuck in my head for eleven years. And we're going to talk about all of that and then there's lots of patron only content. That all of you. Who are already pledging. Your support to push a recaps. You know all about it but for those of you who do not know a small contribution every month. Gets you access to about three podcasts. 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Final Fantasy VII | A First Trip to Midgar

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2:14:36 hr | 7 months ago

Final Fantasy VII | A First Trip to Midgar

"Oh my god what's that. What's that sweet melody in the air. Like like so much mako coming down from a window. Oh and it's like we're we're pulling the camera out and we are. We are seeing that we are in this sprawling megalopolis which was a word that i was afraid to say when it was in my brain ford exit my mouth but i got the megalopolis of mid guard because we are. It's a final fantasy seven podcast all my goodness a wild vinyl fantasy seven podcast has appeared in your feed once more. Blow everybody josh. Whitlinger number one. F f seven superfan in the post show recaps roster and. I am so excited to go off on this very scary this role adrenaline packed bombing mission with the one. The only soldier first class ex-soldier first class now mercenary. You may know them around. The post show recaps patron discord as the number two highest leveled. Up member of the push to recaps patron discord. You know them as my friend and partner in crime alongside jessica lease on mole patrol overrun rob has a podcast A real life avalanche or the great brooklyn said aka said thirteen said. Oh my god look look look. We're doing it it's happening. can you believe it. can you believe it. Things escalated very quickly. Things have escalated very quickly. Okay hey everyone this is a final fantasy seven podcast final fantasy. Seven is a video game from the year. Nineteen ninety-seven podcasting about here in the year. Twenty twenty one. Because that's where we're at this point if that is very much where we're you know last year you said that the final fantasy remake was the best thing on television in the year. Twenty twenty i stand by twenty twenty one. Be any different stanton. The last i stand by that. Take i stand by that tape. Final fantasy seven. I said the final fantasy seven remake released in the spring of twenty twenty was the best. Tv show twenty twenty. Don't ask me. I stand by the take other than mole. The mole reality show of twenty twenty. But why are we talking. But that was a year ago almost now that the f. of seven remake happen we've got no news on when final fantasy seven. Remake is going to continue in few podcasts about it but we've got no news wire. Why suddenly randomly here in the beginning of january talking about fancy seven like zad. I feel like thereby hangs a tale indeed indeed also time is a contract and there are no rules. There are no rules there are no rules. They're out the window. Time is real when you have to escape the sector seven makeover reactor and when he minute time limit to do that in but other than that. Time is time as louis years. What's up final. Fantasy seven is a formative storytelling experience and know. We don't typically do video games year on potua recaps. We've tried few times doesn't always take this may not take. We'll see relieving it open or giving it a whirl because this is you know if you know anything about me if you listen to my other stuff lost my food right. I love the marvel. Cinematic universe were doing star wars on a regular base. But the thing the thing the story that i probably most associate with just like pure purely for me comfort food type stuff is the final fantasy franchise created by square soft then square annex and the games that they have produced whether it's final fantasy four six seven eight nine left out five. Because it's not my favorite but i know people love it ten which i know played which will talk about momentarily. They've gone all the way up to fifteen which i actually played recently and enjoyed and didn't think i would. These are games that i kind of privately in my little corner. I play the shit out of him. I play them ruthlessly are very rich storytelling universes and worlds with characters who. I love very dearly with spectacular music as you just heard the great no boo matsu the composer for the main line final fantasies up until i think ten is when he only does a few tracks and then he's basically out. I think that's a fairly significant indicator of like. Aw shit hitting the fan. If no booze not here. It's not going to be. That good is the music that i think you could agree. The music slaps it does it. Does it does. The s. t. is very very good and and so. These are games that i have. I have lived with for a long time. I drop occasional. Final fantasy references. My greatest hope in life would be to find enough people who'd be like all right. You keep talking about well. I want to hear more about it. It's like all right. Well i would also like to talk about it more. I also would like you to hear about it. What i would really love to do is like describe to you. What happens in these games. If you're never gonna play them because the stories are magnificent and wonderful and sometimes problematic and bad but let's talk about him and fine and sometimes scary and sometimes heartbreaking Enrich the rich little stories. Little pockets of story that i treasure dearly and i would love to share that treasury with people. So i've been wanting to do this for a long time. Never really seriously thought that there would be any real like actual way of doing this on a regular basis other than the few podcasts. We did for f. seven remake But then said the great brooklyn's ed there. You are prolific in the pusher recaps patron discord hanging out in mentioning very casual echo. Yeah i'm playing final fantasy ten right now. Excuse me what is this. What is this so we have only old game systems in my apartment. Yes and your waystation to we have. I am using a playstation two. We have a playstation three. That doesn't seem to be working at the moment Unless i don't understand how a power button works and i think i do. Yeah so. I was eliminated. I was limited to playstation two games. And we have final fantasy ten in the house. So i was gonna play final fantasy ten. You played a little bit of it. i did. I played you know four or five hours of it and i was incredibly board. yeah And talking about it in the games channel of the discord that. I was not impressed. Not having a great time. Yeah my only other experience with final fantasy. I've played kingdom hearts through to the end. And i understand that that is a disney final fantasy crossover. Yes elements of final fantasy in the in the kingdom hearts franchise. It's like mickey mouse. It's donald duck goofy and its mother. Sf roth spiky-haired chilton cloud. Yeah yeah yeah Yeah so. I played those and i played final fantasy. Nine to the final boss battles that i'd never finished yeah With no with no safe point. In between which. I have amount many that'll happen. Yes difficulty purposes. They want challenge and frustrate. You often works very well and so the story that brings us to this point. Aside from the posting about final fantasy ten in the discord is that once upon a time a good five or more years ago a friend of mine was like i want you to get into video games. I love video games much. Like josh is done. Now and final fantasy nine is my favourite games. So i'm going to give you my final fantasy nine and my playstation one which is for folks who don't know about the size of like a portable dvd player so it's easy to just hand somebody the device along with a cd kit And i played the game and then we remembered that. I could play final fantasy nine on the playstation two. That was already in the apartment. So i gave my friend back the playstation one and with it the first of the four discs. I'm a fantasy nine. Meaning i could never start the game over again right. And that's been the problem. I played from save point on on the memory card at one point somewhere in the middle of the game. But i've never been able to start it over just hard fantasy nine. It's hard to hop into the middle of it right where you are you where you're supposed to be going aren't these aren't shoot em ups. They aren't first person. Shooters like a puzzle. Game it's not like an iphone game with these are sprawling narratives of like the star wars scale. So you can't hardly a leaking gain on the map saying here's where your next mission is. Go ride your when you're ready Which is my only other familiarity with gaming release. I've i've actually played a few first person shooters to cry right. I've played far cry three. I played the first red dead redemption Early in lockdown redemption and sassoon's creed black-flag because i love pirates. Yeah but you did you. You mentioned this story. And then like i think like you mentioned it while it was like i own f f seven f f eight nine for playstation like i. I was very into japanese role. Playing games is like my favorite video game genre. I've played so many. I've played a ton in the last year. It's been like a big mental health boon for me is when i'm not working or whatever like i sink hours into a role playing game and i and i love it and it's immersive and it's really not for everybody but it's very much for me and so like at that point in in my life when these games were coming out like i was very into them coming out like right away lake immediately as they were as they were hitting shelves and like a bunch of other games too so i held onto those for a very long time because their treasured artifacts for me is my my regional copies of f. Seven eight and nine and because my brain has been adult by many things over the course of the years. I can't quite tell you if those are all totally my copies. Or if they're like hand downs from friends to like there is. There is some element of that. Because i had a bunch of friends who play these games and they would play them as well and we compare notes and we talk about the story and if someone was like oh i don't have f nine all switch it with you over the years. I think they all got like cross contaminated. But i at the very least have ended up with seven through f f nine and so is as you live very close to where i was that bringing them to you. I'm bringing you these games because mom fancy ten is not for you but final fantasy seven. Extraordinarily your shit. I think if you are even lightly interested in final fantasy those who do not know brooklyn's ak- at hard rock hope on the mean twitter streets. I think a game. That is very much like anti-capitalist pro environment and the dangers of what happens. When too few people hold all the power seems like it would be extremely your shit on and said. I think that you should stop playing fancy ten and i think that you should start playing final fantasy seven and so you did. That is exactly what i did. And you're right it is very much And even if the first five what you thought would be five hours. Sixty eight and a half hours. I have gotten to our first stuffing pointed story doing. But you're doing great. You're doing great we've been. We've been texting. I've been getting your takes via text simultaneous off. This is like we want to do more patrol again at some point. We're really focused on post. Show recaps right now. So it's just a matter of figuring out. Where can we do multiple. because it's a real endeavor. It's an undertaking But you and i haven't been podcasting nearly enough. It was like well. What can we podcast about. I wanna get your takes. I think this is the opportunity. I think this is it. I think we can talk about fancy seven. Tell people the story that they are missing out on. Perhaps this will encourage people to go and play it. There's a thousand different ways to to play these games If you've got if you've got steam if you've got playstation four if you've got intend to switch there have been re released. It's not even talking about the remake of final fantasy seven but like the original playstation or of final fantasy seven has been ported to these current generation platforms. And they also said and this may make you jealous and angry these bortz have it so that like you can basically make your characters invincible. You can basically make it so that like you can move everything like double speeds and things go faster. You can basically make it so that your characters don't ever have to have a random encounter on the battlefield if you really just want get the story and rushed through it pretty easily. It's very highly doable. So if that sounds interesting to you i'd recommend it. Unfortunately for us. Ed you're going to have to play it the old fashioned way. We'll see that's great. I think being invincible sounds boring. For the sake of the game. I would love to be able to walk a little faster but But other than that. It's you know i'm okay with it the way that it is. Yeah so that's that's up. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk through f f. Seven zero has played through a very specific point in final. Fantasy seven I as i told said as i told them about five hours of the game takes place in basically one location. Took you about eight and a half to get there. Yes i've done some like approximating in my mind based on that it's like what that means. You're on the hour delay. Well part of it is. Because i don't play these kinds of games a lot. My my eyes are not necessarily adjusted. To what i should be looking for in terms of entrances and exits or how to navigate like ramps and stairs like that so i spent a really long time in the train. Graveyard running around trying to figure out how to get up something. There's a train yard lately and it looks like it. Looks like a hole in the ground to me but was actually a ramp. So i kept running around it and i need up and that kind of thing in a place where you will have. Random encounters can then make the game. Take a lot longer because you have at your love downing right now. You're grinding levels by accident crazy. Just like in the discord. Yes that's that's what's going on over there so you have to play at the old fashioned way. It's taken you a little bit of time. But you've reached. I think what is the first natural story point stopping point to the to the degree that said they made the final fantasy seven remake that was released for playstation four. You know however. Many decades later takes place entirely in this portion of the game. You've played they elaborate. Everything that you played into like a full forty some odd our game that i have sunk one hundred hours into disgusting and i'm sick and i got one hundred percent completion on it and it is the first game that i've ever done that. Born that makes me. I love one hundred completion. Yes well that's another reason. Why i think like a game like this is going to be on for you. Because there's a lot of weird nooks and crannies and i don't want you to look anything up. I will be your guide. I already told you that you're getting relatively close to an opportunity to find a bonus character and unlike. I know that you like to talk about how there was a bonus character and found fancy nine that you missed you would have had to encounter that person eventually and you did at the point that you encountered that character. That's not a scalpel character. I'm talking about a fully. Skip -able character so i will i will. I will guide you through claiming that character. What we're going to do here is we're not gonna do. Spoilers this spoiler free we will talk through the story of f. seven from like your perspective of how you're viewing the story how you're interpreting the story. So far i'll talk about the game from like the level in like the very matter of fact these are the events just the facts like this is what's happening to describe it out for people who don't wanna play but we're not gonna. We're not gonna talk about anything further down the line from where you've played preserving all of the surprises. This is reverse mole patrol. Yes where it is now me who holds the cars and you experiencing the story for the first time and that'll be great and because we're going to be doing this at certain stopping points and i'll i'll reveal here At the end of this. Podcast where i think the next stopping point should be. We're stopping short of saying. This is like a weekly podcast. We have no schedule. We've no schedule other than your replace schedule at it. I love that that. I don't think i don't think that we'll have like a. I don't think that we should ever have like two. Fm seven podcasts. In a week but if it becomes weekly it's trending that way that's great if it's like once a month that'll be fine too if it's once a year whatever it is you know we'll chart it so so that's the scheduled. That's the spoiler rules. You wanna hit me up about f seven specifically. I have a few recommendations for you. One is in the spirit of patrols that i think people should not at you about f do not add dead at about a million other things on twitter. Not about f- seven. You're talking about fifty seven. Yeah you know the things. Don't add about f f seven if you want to talk about themes or things that they've clearly experienced so far like if you want to know what did you think about the scorpions. Centeno boss by you. Know what about that. Weird turtle lizard monster thing underneath john. Cornyn bedroom these are things. We're about to talk about like feel free to hit the setup for that stuff but be cool if you've played the game or even if you know anything about the game you know some of the stuff. I'm talking about be cool. Lock it down but you can talk to me. You can go to the poster. Recaps patron discord. If you're not a member already patriot dot com slash post show. Recaps go to the games channel spoiler. Tech's please you can highlight your text and hide it and had visible lincoln. I can push the button. And i could see what you've said. And we can have a very nice big spoiler chat or there is the the final fantasy seven discord that i am a part of that. We built around the time of the f. f. seven remake zetter you scored. There's a secret discord. It is totally free hundred percent free. You not have to sign up for absolutely anything. It is not as traffic as the patron discord. But we're still in there and we still talk from time to time. And i'm happy to talk. Fm seminar any rpg or any game that you want in that discord. And if you want the link to that. Hit me. Up on twitter at ron howard. I'll reply to you with the lincoln. I think it's got like a twenty four hour expiration windows of sign up fast. Those are the ways you want to get into spoiler stuff but here is a spoiler free zone with all of that. Said we're going to get into it. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna journey through mid garas. The title of this episode describes. I would love to start with this from you. What is mid gar. And as you're experiencing it so far. What is file fancy seven so mid are seems to me and i know these some of these references. Come after final fantasy seven. But i'm playing this game in the year. Twenty twenty one. So here we are mid garfield to me sort of like a ready player. One hunger games like thirteen districts. Sort of post apocalyptic world where as in most post-apocalyptic worlds in also. The one that we live in there are different classes of people pre-apocalyptic pseudo apocalypse. Yeah right so most of what we've seen or what i've seen of mid gar is the slums of these different sectors. And i'm not sure. What determines the sectors themselves I know there are plates in their pillars. And i know there's a very tall tower that i climbed all of the stairs of just What else do i know So final fantasy seven. We have this team of rebels. Essentially of the you know the organization avalanche including our main character cloud who is an ex soldier and soldier is also an organization. It doesn't literally mean it's it's like soldier all caps soldier big ass big. Oh big al. Big d. big guy big e b. Our soldier big solar energy big soldier up the military way of the shinri company the shinwa electric company. And they are they they run mid gar. They run the world. Basically they run mid gar by having access to what is Pronounced officially neff seven remake as moscow. Though i have said makeover my entire life so. I'm going to have a hard time not saying mako here. And they harvest this energy that the members of this group avalanche believe is like literally the lifeblood of the planet and they wanna stop sh- inre from being mega douches and holding all of the money and all of the power and oppressing so many people and being situated in this megalopolis there's that word again called mid gar which to your point is split into many different communities eight sectors eight neighborhoods that are separated by big walls in between each one and don't explore a bunch of them at least in the original game. But you explore a couple and the swamps that you're living in our underneath an enormous plate that big pizza in the sky as barrett leader of avalanche describes. Where the literally like the pie. In the sky the uppercrust society lives that yes it also reminds. Me of snow piercer If a train were a circle instead of a train In terms of the definitive separation of you know the lower class the people living in the slums from those people living higher up throughout the game or at least throughout the part that i've played. You're like working to wake make your way to the surface is my understanding And i know there's a part where you have to climb you're climbing up to put the batteries in the in climbed that gold. That shiny wire of hope. Yeah climbing wires. That's the thing you can do in this game But only when prompted right. It's not something you can just do all the time. You have to be quite that open world no no but but it does happen. So those are the basics in thematically. What are you gathering from. F f seven so far so i keep wondering if there is a government or if there is just this power company that because they have yet to roll and metaphorical power. Yeah they are. They're the ones in control. So they are. It is very much a game about who controls the means of production which is a very important thing to understand if you are Playing this game through socialist. Latin which surprise. Am what else. Yeah i mean that's act. He shouldn't he sh- resin charge. Schiro shinwar got that money in charge and basically everywhere that you go at the very least generous fingerprints are all over everything so the game begins with that epic music. We played at the start here as we embark on the first mission with avalanche. Which is the name of. They've been branded by shinya as eko terrorists that these These these these these terrible. These dastardly avalanches these terrorists. Who are going around causing all sorts of of mayhem. But you're you're inclined to question. That right i mean you're in the perspective of these characters and you see off the horrible shitty things that shimmer doesn't maybe she has got this one wrong said i. It's almost like they also know that they've got it wrong. Well to the point that they make a speech. The president president shin raw makes a speech about how they're going to destroy a sector of of the city so that they can then build it back up and be the heroes and then later revealed that they're not going to bother building it back up again because it would be too expensive right. Because they're awful. Awful awful awful awful awful. May i stress and underlying five hundred more times awful people at the top of shimmer here in this game but you begin with cloud strife names cloud strife. Got this huge spiky blond hair. These is that everyone's like. Oh look your eyes. you've got their infused with mako. You must be a soldier you could tell him by the is said right if you were a member of soldier which was the elite soldier class fourche inre now only generate power companies said not only is effectively like global government but they also have an army literal army and it's soldier and cloud is ex soldier and he's now a current mercenary and he is on on the payroll with avalanche just a job though he doesn't give he doesn't he doesn't give a who about any of the stuff that they're interested in zeti. He just wants that money. That gil right. That's sweet sweet. Gil is what they call money in the world of fantasy seven. Yeah cloud is not motivated by the ethics or morality of the situation. Cloud is there to go get a paycheck and get out and sometimes getting the paycheck seems to be the challenging aspects. Yeah because avalanche deeply funded sometimes like hey we could you. Could you work for like just like drink at t.f. Fas bars and thing like like sometimes. That's what they no. I want the money and so it leads to friction between cloud who is as an ex know. His title implies means that he's very good fighter. He's would you like to describe clouds. Preliminary weapon a large sword. Yes that is like the size of like three people. Yeah it's called the buster sword and it is gigantic. it is like it's a it is like It looks like the wing of a small airplane. Yes yes i mean. That's from my experience. Pretty typical in konic final fantasy. Right is that your main character has some giant sword. Usually they have some sort of signature weapon. This is i think the most iconic main character weapon in a final fantasy series is the buster sword like this huge ass sword in final fantasy eight. If we're enjoying this enough and we ever get their your main character has what is called a gun blade which is like a revolver with a sword on it now weird. That's kind of icon. Ick do but it's also strange and weird when you really like. Poke at it doesn't really make sense that like some designers like oh that'd be cool you get a close up a weapon or ranged weapon. I don't know if you get it both in one thing and it doesn't. It doesn't work as a ranged weapon to. It's just a close up. Well then you go and you slash someone with the gun bleed and you pull the trigger and like there's a little bit of like an explosive slash and that's it that's the gun played really doesn't it's not like it's like arm scituate right. So so cloud with these. I love that. Like defending like the veracity of the buster sword versus the gun blade because the buster sort is comically large and completely impractical But it's also stacked against clouds. I like working. Partner is the leader of avalanche barret. Wallace who i believe that the designers of f f seven like literally modeled after mr t. is who they were aiming for. It could see very much. They i think they were actively. Aiming for mr t. He is he is like very vulgar. He's constantly like his dialogue is bleeped out. Got shift and the numbers keys. That's a lot of talk is just like someone like furiously pounding. The text has a gatling gun for a hand. Luke skywalker each your heart out. This is the coolest Hand substitute a weapon in fiction. Maybe not but it was is what do you think of. Barrett's pretty good I am highly amused in games. Only by a large men yelling and jumping up and down and throwing temper tantrums a lot often he it is. It is the majority of his characterization. The far when i played final fantasy nine i was playing just with the regular character names but my one roommate was also playing through a naming all the characters after people we knew. And so i was steiner because steiner the night and jumps up and throws a lot of fits. Yes i don't know that that's my personality. But i i do enjoy those characters who are just like mad. I if nine. I i would definitely put you more in the i would literally call you. Zidane is right. Well now we know this for sure. Yeah many years ago. It's right there. It's right there for the for the for the eventual f f nine version of this when we go back through that but barrett is the leader of avalanche. He believes in the 'cause he hates the shinri company with a fiery passion. He is the leader of these missions. To to blow up the mako reactors every sector in mid gar has a mako reactor through which the power supply it and he thinks that shimmer is destroying the planet by mining off the mako. So he wants to destroy the reactors so the first mission of the game is cloud and barrett going through this reactor alongside the other members of avalanche jesse biggs and wedge biggs and wedge are names of of characters from star wars and they are also names of characters featured in just about every single final fantasy. There's a biggs and wedge up and down just about every single game that exists. There's a few characters that have that. Have that distinction just like sort of like through lines threat like even if there were different characters that they'll just like take the names like biggs and wedge are are hallmarks of the final fantasy game. Interesting yeah and like jesse is super resourceful and biggs is kind of like this little grunt of a soldier and wedge is is like me is kind of like a like a chubby guy is like cloud man. It's so cool to hang out with like whatever man i'm like. I'm not undeterred. By that also still gonna wanna be your friend wedge wedges if i'm anyone in f f seven i'm wedge for sure he's great. The remake does a very good job with him specifically the actor who plays badger from breaking bad. Does the voice for wedge in the reagan. It's very very good. It goes through this. I reactor they have to fight. The scorpion sentinel said a. This is the first boss bite that you encounter in the game. Was this difficult for you. giant scorpion robot with a huge tail. That you have to hit with lightning and stuff. That was probably the battle where i got the game over screen twice which is also a new experience for me because i think even by final fantasy nine if you die in a battle you just reese gone at your saved point. You don't get the like game over starting credits start rolling as if you just turned the game on situation. Yeah that you get. I was shocked the first time of nine point ninety seven said happen travelling through time. You know different time you know. We're not we're not like nintendo level difficulty. But it's still not you didn't believe it. Yes so funny like wait. Not only did i have to start over start restart the game start you blow you. Blow up the reactor after you fight this gigantic literally. It's called the scorpion sentinel. That shimmer has left. Their remake makes a huge meal out of this. They turned the scorpion sentinel into a sprawling boss bite. It's like climbing over the reactor. It's like this huge actions. Like no. So i want to highlight that for you along the way of like. What if they done. What little things did they do that. They they expanded upon in major fashion organs. One of them you blow up the reactor and it's all over the news right and it's like oh avalanche struck again. Those filthy terrorists all all over the news shinjiro runs the media's ed and they're controlling the narrative yet this is what happens when corporations are in charge of everything they control the narrative they control the power which means they control the people. They control the money. Everyone believes it right like you see. We're we're skipping. Pass it important point to get back to but in a minute like on the way back from the mission. They take a train. Because it's like fantasy new york city and so you have to commute from your from your arm your mission to from your from your activists activism mission. Yeah to go back home to your apartment. That's yeah that familiar at all. Not even a little bit no not a few times a week. Also and like literally on the train like barrett gets into a fight like an argument with this one guy who was like middle-management shinri being like i think is actually pretty good and these avalanche guys suck birds like are you freaks out at him shakes his huge like gatling gun fist at the guy. And the guy's like let me out of here barrett come on chill out man like goes aggressive. This is a lot so so everybody in in mid car for the most part. There aren't a lot of people that are sympathizing with what avalanches putting down that avalanche seems to be on the outside with this thing and shimmering got such a stranglehold on everybody that they just want their lives to be comfortable cozy. They wanna keep doing all the stuff that shivnarine abel's them to do. They've got tv. They've got lights on. You know this is all good. Even though everybody in the slums specifically they're living in relative squalor yet this is. This is what they know. Some people in the slums or more sympathetic to the avalanche caused and others will get to them momentarily one of the first people who we meet as far as somebody who lives on the ground floor of mid gar this young woman who's selling flowers that cloud encounters at the end of his mission to blow up the first reactor and he's on his way to the train a bumps into this young woman with flowers. And you get to make a choice here. Said the game like allows you to make some choices along the way. You don't have to do it one way. You have a couple of different ways to do it. One is like a nice to this woman in except a flower from them. Or you can be kind of brewed. And i gotta make my train like a real new yorker. What did you. What did you choose said well. The flower was cheap. So i bought the floor. Was that the only reason they did. You wanna make her feel okay. Did you feel guilty. It was it was a little bit of both. I mean it didn't as long as it didn't feel like this was a person trying to extort me for my which does feel like it happens on other occasions us. It's like well. You can try this thing that i have. It only costs two hundred and fifty. Gil i don't know that that's going to be worth it and i only have like a thousand so we're not gonna do that But she seemed nice. So i bought a our it so you bought bought the flower. You're on your way to the train station. Then all these jinro troopers okay. That guy with the gigantic sword on his back probably blew up the reactor and they're not wrong. They're not wrong. And this is a huge mission. This is like the second level of the remake is like escaping and fighting all of these people but the original game gives you the option to just like. I don't wanna find anyone. I just want to run away and hop on a train. what did you do. Did you fight them or did you run away. I thought yeah sounds right. I just love mad at you. You guys suck. What do you think i did. But i had to do you read. I ran away. I had a panic attack. However you know like a twelve year old or whatever you know. I don't want to fight these guys. Invite these guys or maybe later the game not later the game is giving me the option to yeah. I think it literally is like fight them or not now. I think i'll always pick not now so it didn't fight them either way you end up on the train like everyone in from avalanche barret and jesse and bigs in winter like oh and he thinks in regard him all that sucks going to miss him and jesse seems to kind of have a thing for cloud like oh no. I don't wanna lose cloud yet and bears. Like whatever eat has even. He's he's way too expensive a higher anyway and then cloud gets on the trains like thanks. Dick i heard everything you said. And there's a lot of time sequences early on in this game. Which was very stressful. Yes because there's a time to train sequence coming up here pretty soon. Yeah take the train. You go all the way. Back to sector seven blissful sector seven not a terrible thing in sight for this community. Everything's going to be just great for everyone who you're about to meet here in sector seven including this wonderful sprawling bars. Ed called a seventh heaven. No relation to the warner brothers. Television show as far as could be also movie of of the hit film next starring nicolas cage which you don't know why that has become a big deal in the post show recaps patriot community. Let me just say it has become one and this is a strong incentive for you potentially to sign up for the post show recaps patriot has our communities growing relationship with nicholas cage. It is evolving and dangerously. Might i add to this bar in his bar. Ends up being the headquarters for avalanche right. This is the secret base for avalanche. And you meet a couple of new people. One is marlene. Who's this young kid. Who's it's like helps. Run the bar by the way. It looks like she's about five years old. He's tiny like you haven't seen marlene and cut scenes yet. I don't think but you will at one point and like she is like like easily like three feet tall. She's so small. Yeah she's like just a couple of shades past like full-on infant like probably like the terrible twos. The threes called. I think it's probably four or five. Should kindergartner you know she's young and she's running a bar but she she brings ed world we live at. She brings out the softer side and barrett. Right like barrett's like my generation screwed everything up. And i am not going to leave this destroyed planet for my kid. It's like preach dude. Yes get it. Yeah save the world man so everything. He's doing he's doing for her. It's pretty clear That that is a big reason for it. And then there's kifah t for lockhart is her name and she is like a martial arts bad ass clouds best friend from childhood. Get some flashbacks with two of them. Were in their hometown. Nibble hyme is that what it's called nibble heim. You got a problem with that. No it's just very. I say it four times fast and they the flashback. This one night when cloud who also at that moment looks like. He's about three feet tall when their kids like. She seems a lot taller than he was. He seems pretty scrawny. Tiny little things. Like i'm going into mid guard. I'm gonna join soldier and was like really. What's the big deal. A little guy about ball grow up. Don't get strong like three sizes of people in these. You are your child and you come up to people's wastes regular adult us or you are like giant barrett size of those. Those are the only on i think. Scale at zab in like the sort of like the poly gonnell era of rpg's. I think yeah. i think you're right. You're three feet tall or you're like five six or you're like seven feet and there's no inbetween not really no all the other. There's three heights. Three feet five six seven feet. The numbers are good different. Laws numbers tepa tebas clouds friend. She's basically the reason why he has this job as a mercenary in mid guard working for avalanche. She effectively runs the bar. She's the one who hands out the diner. Martinis and she she. She likes cloud quite a bit. They have some history and if cloud has ever sort of like a little bit softer. Sometimes it's around but even then he can kind of be a bit of addict tif. Yeah there's sort of an ongoing will they won't they between cloud antifa and also between cloud and flower girl. The flower girl who we will live at who will eventually reappear so there. There's a big fight clouds like hey was money whereas like a could you wait at out. Gada don't have it and there's a little bit of a fight and clouds like i'm leaving. Tv's like but hey remember you once told me that like we'd be friends forever and if i ever need you could depend on you and crash it. I think i did say that. And so they're able to kind of guilt and then like birds like hey. Could you do one more job with us and fine sure so so cloud joins up with barrett again in this time teeth is gonna come along for the mission as well. They're going to blow up another reactor. They're all over the news. Avalanches cooking with gas said and so they figure all right. Now is the time where heating up. Let's let's let's go blow up another reactor. We've got some momentum right now were baking shin. Ra- mad this is good. We're doing the thing and so they're gonna go off on another mission and got a kid who can run the bar while has got this orleans gonna hold this shit down. She's got it. She knows how to make the dinah martini. She's good somewhere along the way i mean i feel like it's probably worth mentioning like some game play stuff because i actually do think that. There's some some degree of story. Ramification to it that mako can be distilled down into these little orbs called materia. Materia are like these magic rocks. That enable you if you equip them to your swords or like your wrist bands. Or whatever you can you could do. Weapons are the slots. And i'd like to. I'd like to think about it practically though it's like where did you put that on your hand. How did you do it. So you get like lightning materia and fire material and sometimes it's not even magic stuff said like sometime it's like here's the steel matera right view equipped this yellow rock will enable you to steal shit from people or cover or enemy see learn skills rock. Do you have a favorite material yet. steel because in in when i was running around the train graveyard forever and battling the time being able to steal potions in ethers in things helpful was very helpful since they weren't going to keep reappearing and i was not in a place where i could buy more at the time But there's also all which. I finally figured out how all works In that you have to pair it specifically a slot with another guy then that will be done to all of the enemies or all of the members of your party like resort if you put like cure in one material slot and if the materials lock connects to another material. Slight you put all there together. They will everybody wants yes. You want the materials good. You want that. So you're going on this mission and then this is what you were talking about before. Like sometimes there's timed element to this stuff so like earlier. Waken that first reactor once he steps out of there in twenty minutes or you're dead and hold you to it there's a little purple twenty minute countdown clock and it's ticking it's ticking through battles it sticking in the menu screen it's sticking everywhere you do anything it's still going you're trying to like do potions yet your health backup you're trying to fix your weapons accessories and stuff is still going it's going so you gotta you gotta run i think if you save the game and quit it would still go off. You're in danger. Cloud go yeah. Yeah so there's a few things like that and one of them happens here where jesse member of avalanche has has put on her like tattoo shop owner in the east village in the early two thousands hat and made a fake. Id i just revealed how i got my fake. Id living in city suburbs. I i don't know what that stock. Yeah remember the name. I'm not gonna say it out loud just in case i gotta show some loyalty to them. Thank you for hooking it up. A but jesse creates these fake. Id's for everybody. And when you're on these trains that travel all throughout mid guard that take you from sector to sector. They have like the security passes. They scan your id's and so like to get to like deeper higher privileged access points like this is the way that they're blocking off quote unquote lower class. Right like you. Scum can't come up to the upper crust and so they have little sensors these fake. Id's that are going to get them in deeper but some something went down fake. Id's don't work the train goes haywire. And you then have to run through the train and avoid enemy detection and like you have like ten seconds per train car Like getting in your way but it's like it's too short just have to keep running and i'm periodically checking a walkthrough just to make sure i'm not missing important stuff and i in the wasser. I think it was like before you go through. If you go over to this guy. You'll get this thing and you'll get a potion over here in an easter over here. It's like no i'm running. I gotta go. I'll get that stuff later somewhere else right now. Navigating is hard enough. I just gotta get out. Yeah i think this is the most a at least one of the most new york city things in final fantasy seven. Is you run to the train. You have a very tight window. And then there's like people in your way and like they don't really get have to push them out of your way by just running into them and eventually they're just like all right and then they move so. I always thought that that was hilarious. But i used to get so stressed out playing that part you have to jump off the train plan to blow up this next. Reactor is already starting poorly. You've been busted. Had to jump off the train. Now you got to walk right. You got to walk through the train tracks to get to where you're going And so like there's this whole big like sort of like underground area that you have to walk through and there's all these enemies that you gotta fight so equip your all your fire all your lightning all whatever it is. Got the buster sword. You've got barrett's gatling gun and then just a reemphasize. T has weapons. Just fish beats the shit out of it like yeah. I know martial arts some cool. It's an optional story that you've not mandatorily have to discover but if you choose to pursue it at some point you may learn about madonna's zandbergen who is her martial arts instructor areas like this orange dude with white hair that sort of looks like orange ron perlman and he taught and he has a cape think he taught her martial arts. But you don't have. That's not mandatory for the story. That's just like extra detail if you choose to pursue it. I think there's a point the story where you absolutely have to seize angan but you don't have to pursue the story so just beyond the lookout didn't have on my bingo card that i would say zandbergen. Five times on this opening podcast. But you're brawling your way through in the remake this is like a really huge series of levels is to get to this next part where you go to this next reactor pretty quick in the in the game like it's not that complicated of a dungeon. Yeah remake really makes a meal out of it. It's like probably like an hour and a half long experience baby too. And you get to this next reactor speaking of time stuff. There's this one part where like you have to open a door. And i think the only way we can open the doors. We all just hit this button at the same time. Yeah and so literally. The game is like all right. You now need to intuit that what needs to happen. Is you have to press x. On your controller whatever button on your controller at the exact right time so that you are slamming your fists down on like this gigantic button and sometimes to do it at the same time as them and i'm like no i understand understood trick trick this one takes like eight hours to figure out That was infuriated. You have to hook into the rhythm. There are so many ways in which the game is deeply dated. This is one of them is just so hard and so unnecessarily difficult. We must all bang on the table at the simultaneously simultaneously. Banged this button. So you mash that button. Go through you. Get to the reactor. The actors laid out exactly the same. I neglected to include the fact that in order to get into the reactor this time you slide down a slide and it's well that's fun that's really fun to do in the remake their included that here. Here's a slide you know like oh see slide down a slide and you put the bomb thing and it's all hunky dory right. There's no scorpion sentinel this time. There's no robot. Their cloud has like a little bit of a flashback. Right is like sort of like this. Ptsd type trigger. And you don't really know what it is. But he sees kifah. Scalia cowboy hat in like a flashback to another reactor or like another reactor issue looking place. You catch this. You remember this. I vaguely reminding you because he has. This flashback to fund like a cowboy hat. And there's like a man who appears to be deceased nearby and also like this giant sword that's nearby and she starts getting very upset and a and swears vengeance and talks about this guy named sarah. Yes who's that will find out. Stay tuned for just a little bit longer get there and so cloud is everyone's crowd you all right. Stop freaking out. We've got a job to do. You can't just like blackout in the middle of the things. He blacked out in the middle of thing and they go out there like oh no boss battle. Okay you know at this point zetter you think in like I smell shenanigans. Something's afoot and so you work your way up through the reactor i it right. La di da. This is gonna blow up in twenty minutes. But i don't have time or even this time can remote detonate. I can't get breezy cakewalk. A and then you get to the top of the reactor in there. He is president. Shimomura is fat idiot. Who's probably like in the in the size range. I would say he hits the five six threshold is like a stocky five six round around five round round howard rounder and eager in like you've got one little mustache that you can basically tell us there even though it's all polly gonnell imply. It's a suggested mustache. And he's got his little red suit and us sweet. So you guys heard you guys gonna blow up this reactor. That's that's fine. We're gonna like broadcast that it was you guys in like you're going to lose a ton of sympathy points that we're going to squash the rebellion. Because we're gonna make you all look like the turds who did this. How do you feel about that. And this is like when president is starting to flex for the first time. What were your impressions of this man as you as you met him said i mean it's like of course the corporation wants to blame the revolutionaries more the problems of society is like well. Yeah look at this thing that there. It's a property destruction. We wanna complain about destroying property because that will detract from the issue the actual issue right now. Why are people angry. Why are they destroying property. No that's not. That's not what we want to talk about. We want to talk about the fact that you smashed in the windows of a target. Yeah yeah and so. They've they smashed the windows of the mako reactor. Yeah but like present ono. Keep doing that. And also we're gonna let this one blow up to and we're gonna widely blame you in everyone's going to hate avalanche you guys suck and we're going to keep being awesome right. And so then he like to add insult to injury. Let me throw another robot thing you see if to fight airbus ter- yeah difficult battle in the remake. How did you handle the airbus. Giant floating robot guy in like your split across the screen were clouds on one side and teeth and barrett or on the other that one was okay actually and i played through it and then i went and looked at the walk through and it was like giving you all this strategy and i was like. I don't know i. I picked the right things. Yeah it went okay. It's a robot. Lightning's good yogurts don't like electric stuff and also if you're limit breaks activate and if you don't know it a limit break is it's like you'd take enough punishment after point in time that your limit break gauge fills up and when it's full to bursting you can execute like a rad move like cloud. Has this move where he like jumps in the air and he hits you with his sword. It's called braver or he can like slash twice cross last across last year he liked carves japanese characters in the air dangerous. It's great it's great. I'm trying to remember what barrett's are i know. He has one where like in like he can shoot. Somebody's magic off them. My own i think. Oh yeah i think i got one and then t for has like slots right like she has like a machine a slot machine that like if you get like hit hit hit in a row. She does something cool. But if you get yeah yeah yeah in a row she does something really cool. And if you get like miss then nothing not really. anything happens. So the mechanic there is a little sloppy but it is cool that as she gets more things you can do them all. You don't have one. Yes if you successfully as usual hit the button at the right time she will beat rush and then she will. Somersaults has she. Dolphin kicked for you yet or not yet. Not yet she's gonna dolphin kick someday and that's great tv. The best i left a. She's great she's super players in the remake because it's like it's sort of like action rpg so it's master and like you're moving around and stuff and she's the way that they they map out is really fun so you destroy this robot. President has gone. He's gonna let everything blow up things. Start blowing up. And then because cloud was on the other side of this robot that blows up on top of this very dangerously high bridge. I might add you really at the like. You're basically at the plate again. It bears repeating mid guards distract antic city. That has like a huge plate. That is separating the upper class from the lower class literally on the ground that see the sun all these these giant metal roof over their heads electric lights and electric lights. And that's it and so there's like this big explosion you're right. They're up in the plate and oh shit in cloud basically is about to fall and he was like we can't let them fall and then clouds. Now let me fall off the all right cloud the confidence. Can you imagine. Because he's pretty comedies. Like i'll be good. Bear lake mixture. Not going to be do that is like a very rare hundred. Footfall at least imminent. Yeah good should not be survivable. Yeah you shouldn't be able to make it through the cloud. Get out of here and barrett's like you know you. Maybe you're not so bad. After all cloud says something terse. I feel like maybe you ardeche sort of their relationship. And so he and tif aleve in cloud falls and you know things black out and quickly things like fade to white and like. There's there's some sort of like narration right like there's some sort of like conversation that happens where it's like. Hey can you get up and clouds like who are younes zone. Worry about that. What's going on here. There's some is this inside voice. Is this somebody else's there are ghost There seems to be somebody is speaking to clouds. Ed right we've any theories. I mean now that we're talking about it the only thought and we haven't talked about this yet but my thought based on what you just said is like. Is it possible that cloud is also an ancient like heiress. Yes since eras has these voices the voice of her mother. Mainly i believe who speaks to her and her mother was an ancient aren't so we don't know a ton about what ancient are other than that. They don't do this anymore. I'm kind of excuse but i. I am the voice of the people. Josh of it. This is great. Oh no is this good. Is this helping you with the story at all. Yes it's good. It's definitely cool so we don't. We don't know we don't know what's happening clouds having some sort of conversation. And then he wakes up and there. She is with a flower girl from before the one. He got the flour from it so she was like. Hey i remember you and cloud wakes up now. He's in the middle of a flower bed in the middle of church that he he dropped from hundreds of feet in the sky through a roof of a church and landed in a flower bed. And so now he's fine. Yeah and just to to spoil it for you said it's like there wasn't any additional chicanery. That occurred he just survived that fall. Yeah video game. Yep he's alive. He's fine he was in soldier. He's so strong. You know soldier first class. That's what they do. So this woman identifies herself as you mentioned. Her name is heiress aris gainsborough. But i have to tell you that. Her actual name based on original translation and the remake updated as well as ariff With a t h instead of the s but for me she has always been heiress for the sake of this podcast because you are playing the playstation era version of final fantasy seven and because so vastly prefers the name we too shall say heiress but just for the records need to say name officially is earth. You're right yeah it just sounds i mean. It sounds like a list. Which is it doesn't sound right. It's heiress eighty are s. That's what my screen says aris. So i'll stick with what your screen says. Then that'll be the excuse. I don't want to confuse us great. And so if you played the remake and she's like oh they keep talking about heiress. But i'm seeing heiress well. This is why it's a better name. It's just a transliteration. It's hard. I get it sushi's like hey you wanna like hang out with me. I just you know making some flowers a fun person. I've got a cool red coat. Sweet hair cool video game here. He's got like the two bangs the long brain and he looks cool and then speaking of look cool. Oh who's this stranger walks into. The church said some guy in like a like a like a suit the black sports coat a white button down in shock red hair as got like this like stick. And he's he's name is reno reno. And he is a member of the turks and so that not only is genera- the power company literally right like our company in terms of energy the power company in terms of global influence their power company in terms of having a military wing and in the form of shield there all the power come in the form of soldier. Yeah mixing universes they are. They are the power companies. Ed in the form of having like a mob own like rival gang on top of having a military street organization. They've got like the turks. The turks are like these too cool for school like agents who wear suits they would they dress sharp for the job and they do like the street level stuff and the somewhere in the mix between like mobsters and like detectives. I feel right and i know that that line can be blurry anyway. So that's kind of what the turks are yeah Into this one turk reno shows up. He's like hey. I'm i'm here for the flower. The flower grow. Errors is like hey cloud so you're a mercenary Can i hire you to be my bodyguard. And so this is big. Kevin costner whitney houston moment where she doesn't sing but cloud fights reno and then he's like all right. Let's get outta here and you have to like run through the church and ariza's like under attack from all of these shin regards like the. The shin regard designs that they wear these like blue helmets and blue suits notable but a pin in it will visit at some point in time and so ariza's under duress and clouds. Like all right. I know how to help you. I'm going to push barrels onto these people. I was so confused listeners. As well because we wait. Excuse me and much like in the incredible action movie. Next starring nicolas cage in which a bunch of logs are unleashed. Nicholas cage has to dodge them. Cloud runs around like the attic of the church pushing gigantic log like barrels onto the ground. To drop on the shin re troopers while aris dodges them and get to safety but you gotta do the right one at the right time because if you go into the wrong one cloud will just say something like. I wish i could push these barrels. Maybe i should push that. It's like all right. well then do it. I mean. I guess i'm glad action button. I'm glad that it doesn't let you push the wrong ones. And then you're just screwed because that would be deeply upsetting. It'd be tough. It'd be tough so that goes down and escapes with you and you get. And she's like well let me take it back to my house. So if i lived nearby and you go in like you know you're visiting all the places and like if you're stopping bhai into like certain neighborhoods in the neighborhood that you go to certain buildings. There's like one guy who's like on a blanket and he lives in like a pipe. There's all sorts of stuff. There's a huge tv in the middle. And then you go to heiresses. House heiress has a mansion. Right like aaron ayers. Two bedrooms heiress lives in like a five bedroom brownstone in the middle of mid gar like the one the only one arden evacuate hard. She has a sprawling garden. Seems to be like a waterfall. It's like how how did this happen. How did you how did you get this zet. I don't believe that there is ever any real explanation for this. So you just kind of have to accept it as canon heiress and her mother generational wealth generational gil. That's where it comes from. So they they have like the one plum spot in in all of mid guard. So you go home. Here's introduces glad to to her. Mom just like. Oh i'm gonna help cloud go back to sector seven because we're just a sector away and i know how to lead the way to get to sector seven in introduced cloud back to his friends and arrison. I was like all right cool. Glad i talked to you just record second and so errors runs upstairs. Because she's excited and cloud talks ariza's mom and ariza's listen. You gotta you gotta leave. You can spend the night. And i want you out my door into any of this. She has like a very thick brooklyn act. There's no voice acting and you have to slowly walk out of you have to slow. Sneak out of the house right and like you walk too fast. The floorboards creak and errors show. Hey what are you doing silly. Wanna leave without her. So i went into her room and was like hey going to leave and then the game makes you. Because that's not what you're saying. No no the game wants you to the game. Wants to go and leave and heiress does not get to come with you accept that you leave the house. You escape the house eventually. And then you start making your way back to sector seven and somehow some way heiress was so fast that she circled out in front of you and just like trying to leave without me. Oh come on in clouds like the kind of promise from our right finally. I didn't really want to leave it you so now i what i said. I would do andrew here because this weirdo cloud. Who doesn't seem to like anybody bears repeating. He's like cold. He's he's he himself as a bit of a too cool for school thing. Maybe some like. He's dealing with some issues of things that's happened to him in the past. It's mysterious at this point. We don't really know but he doesn't seem to like get along. well is not an extrovert. No he's he's got. He's got a hard time socializing with people in the exact opposite right like she's like she's funny. She's got a lot to say she wants to dry out. The best in people people seem to really like her. It doesn't seem like it's a coincidence that this desolate pleased gets no sunlight. Errors is able to grow flowers and a garden and stuff. Whether that's generational gill or something else you know. We don't really know a show. She goes to cross through this sort of like this side street. That has a lot of different like construction site stuff in all these different battles have to define including did you encounter. The hell house said. Yeah more than once. I think the hell house is a gigantic sentient house. That bizarre. it's it's like a house with arms and legs and it hasn't moved called like suicide drop or something. Yeah yeah it's really weird doesn't really make much sense why that thing exists And you have to fight a bunch of them in random encounters in this one specific area of the game and the final fantasy seven remake turned the hell house into like a really difficult boss battle and they really leaned into. They're like we have this very strange character design from the original game. Why don't we just blow that out and like have you get into a huge arena match against a hell house so that happens. You fight a few hell houses. Whatever you're fighting on your way to get back to sector seven to reunite with avalanche to reunite with stephen in basically show backups fell thousand feet. But i'm fine. You don't have to worry. I'm okay and you stop in this playground. And you're sitting on like this little cat like playground thing. Believe that it's modeled after the mughal is very important in final fantasy nine. Yes i do. You want to explain what the miracles are. Mu goes our little creature little pink creatures that are kind white sometimes yellow. Sometimes they have a little red ball sticking out of the top of their head they deliver mail. They are a safe points in this dr. A breast twice in final fantasy nine Very integral to the game and in final fantasy. Ten the bit of it that i played I don't remember the character same anymore already. But the like spell caster woman her original companion hulu weapon. He was like a toy. Mougel casts black magic with yes Movie moguls are even more of a final fantasy hallmark than biggs and wedge. There these like little bears with wings like little magic. They say they say a lot of words. In some of the games specifically f nine the moguls really get a lot of traction. I think f f nine is the mvp game for the rules. Follow probably by final fantasy six and then followed probably by this one but there's like this gigantic like slide. That's fashioned like mughal head. And you'll see more not terribly long from now. Probably not by the next podcast though. So you you. You're on this slide and clouds stock into areas areas. Like oh i had a boyfriend in soldier once and clouds like. Oh yeah soldier and he has some sort of weird flash right. He has like some moment whereas like. I don't know where it's going on keeps happening to cloud what's going on is not well. He's unwell cloud on will and so this is where they're about to say goodbye but then the doors between sectors opened up and on this wagon. That's being pulled by a choke abo- which is another animal. That is very prolific in the final fantasy games. Basically their version of a horse but it's a gigantic chicken that you ride. Yep and you're going to have to get into the choke abo- stuff at some point. And i wish you well. That may go to hang up. We'll have to see you're gonna have to deal with that. At some point. Instead of a horse and carriage ciocca bowen carriage man on the back of the carriage lo and behold is not what steve for doing here. It's a teeth is on a carriage and clouds like wait. That's my friend. And she's she's on her way she's out of sector seven classic we've been ours is like oh well we find out. I'm not leaving that quickly. That's your friend. I want to know more. Yes seems like an interesting compelling story so you follow the carriage to like the like sort of like the like the really intense vibrant section of mid guard known as wall market confused with walmart. No the wall market just sort of like a like a night like a night market in chinatown or new orleans has something kind of like that. Yeah the hottest neighborhood in mid guard. He's walmart it's got everything it's got a diner with martinis. It's got a gym with crunches and squats. It's got a weapons store. That sells batteries. It's got don cornelio. The pimp king of walmart wall market got the honeybee in. Did you explore the honeybee in which is like the brothel. No so i know. I i messed this up. I know there's a whole sequence of events you can do where you like. You get one thing for one person and then you give that thing to somebody else in the knee give you something in they give you something like deals. You can do in walmart while you're looking for teeth. It's like here's a bunch of shit you can do in this really crazy place. That's very elaborate both in the original and the new game. Yeah i got confused. And it's very sprawling. It's hard to know what to do. All of this but you can go to the brothel and at one point and one of the rooms of the brothel is one of the three feet characters named palmer who is the head of the space program. Oh yeah and he's just like Doing all kinds of suggested ungodly business in the brothel. of course does does does not feel great Sort of like the the rudy giuliani of mid gar. And i think okay with having skipped that. Yeah i think you're okay having missed it as well. Don't worry there's some stuff coming up with palmer that i think you will laugh about not in this podcast necessarily but spoiler alert you may have to fight palmer at one point and the way that fight ends is but they're really really great So look forward to that very very fun. 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So you're going through walmart and you find out that there's this dude don cornelio. Who's the pimp king of the wall mark. He's got a mohawk and he's got like the he's he's terrible he's got like the big red cape and he's he. He has new brides brought to him every night. Sucrose it's really gross. It's really seedy. He has all these women who are brought to him and he chooses a different woman every single night and so has very clearly taken it upon herself to like infiltrate don cornell because he's connected to all the cd underground stuff in avalanches caught a hot tip that something's going down something big so teeth is under and she wants to get close to dime cornell to find out but cloud and errors. Don't know this yet. All they know is that she's in contention to be his bride of the night and he always picks three and well there's tepa and could get in and cloud. We could probably just dress up like a woman in the three of us could go in infiltrate down cornell together so the next portion of this game is about finding the right dress in hair stylist and makeup regimen for cloud as you're trying to get cloud to be picked by don cornelio to potentially be his bride for the night said. What did you make of everything surrounding this portion of the story. So i texted you very early on in my playing process Yes and this ended up on twitter also might my feeling is that no one named cloud is a gender cloud is like the most is like such a textbook. Non binary name Nonbinary people are known to have like weird. Nouns is friend named socks. I have a friend named slats So cloud in my playing of this game is definitely a non binary person royalty get over a lot of toxic masculinity that has been forced upon them an perhaps trying to perform up to that expectation enjoining soldier And then we get to this mission games. And i tested josh but excuse me now i have to find a dress for this person. Who's supposed to be a man. I don't think so. Yes yes yeah so. I'm all about it. I think it's great. I love this part of the game very much. Yeah so the The big questions was like how. How is this going to train. Is this going to translate well to the remake. Like how are they going to do this. like what. what are they good. How are they going to play this out in the remake. I i've already told you a little bit off. Line look like how they handle it. I don't wanna. I don't wanna ruin it for anyone. Who hasn't played the remake in case they're interested because the rates really great. And if you if you are like next gen gaming and you haven't played of seven remake yet. I recommend you do in the way that they play. All of this is really really really wonderfully done. I thought it was spectacular. But it's definitely like a very memorable portion of this game is like get cloud address and so you do and you can go to the honeybee and you can get some special lingerie and you can go to like this poor guy in a coffee shop in like he'll give you something else or whatever you could do all sorts of fetch quests and you can get it to the point. That cloud is so souped up. That don cornelio takes one look goes. Oh yeah and fix cloud. It was like. Yeah that's the one that's my bride for the night otherwise hitting he kinda just picks heiress. I think i don't know either. Pick steeper heiress. Yeah i think based on the walkthrough depending on what you get. He'll pick different people and obviously fundamentally it won't matter because you'll end up in the same place anyway But you also. So i did the dress i was like okay. Fine ready to go and it's like oh no you have to get a wig on. 'cause you're weird. Spiky hair is clear. Not gonna worry male hair. I guess yes And you have to do a squat. Competition can the gym. In order to get a wig from. I guess some other guy who does drag maybe yes yeah fears to be if you end depending on how well you do in the competition that determines how good the quality of the wig that you get will be. I don't know if this character has a name in the Version you're playing. In the remake jewels you have to do squats against jewels and jewels as like a campaigns and i i don't remember what jill's pronouns are but i think that they present jewels as a woman in the game. And then there's there's a different character who i at least perceived as not binary named andrea. Who's going to be the one who tells cloud like gender construct. None of this matters. And i really want you to play remake specifically for that stuff. It's just it's really well. Done i dig. It's really really great. Infiltrate dime not land areas like hit it off immediately like cloud that guy right like actually have like a feeling on the matter at some point in time guy. He's not making fun of me. And so you have to like fight dime cornell like you fight through to get to dine corneal no matter who gets picked and don cornell like this disgusting pig of a man is on on his his his like california king and he's like trying to like mac to whoever he's chosen and then thrusting animation a lot of thrusting animation. That happens all in the hips. And it's really weird and then everyone comes in and like reveal themselves. Yeah we're we're here to get some intel out of you and he's like i'm not gonna tell you anything like well if you don't and then they make all sorts of threats about what they're going to do to his genitals heavily implied of like wall punch them and then like there's all these heavy threats that always ended like all smash him and he's like. Oh it's no good. I don't want you to do this. So these cowering in the corner. And he finally gives up the intel. That if you thought shinri was bad before said get a load of this. Not only did they let that second reactor blow up so that they could pin it on avalanche. They're gonna do one better. They're going to drop an entire segment of the upper plate onto sector seven and blame it on avalanche. They're going to say this was another avalanche terrorist attack and they believed that this is going to be the nail in the coffin that proves it. This is an extremist group that is at war with mid garden is at war with conventional society and everyone will fall in line with shinohara and unra is so ruthless that they are willing to wipe out an entire sector of mid gar as well as presumably. The people who live on that plate are all dead to is their plan. Yeah that's what they've got in mind and so cloud and tv airs or like well shit that can't happen we gotta stop that and so they're about to leave and then done corny but before you go just fall into this dungeon and so he has like this secret trap door in his bedroom. That takes you into a sewer. You have to fight like some sewer monsters after to go through the sewers and fight some other things then you get to the to the train. Graveyard as you've mentioned said that that's pretty close to sector seven that you spent long time a lot of time in the train gravier because you have to like go around like hopping all these like train. Husks moving them and like getting them position. Now idea it was definitely a spot where i had to look i was like i don't know what i'm supposed to be doing and i can't just like walk out. There's no exit. Where am i supposed to go. So i had to use the through for a little help with yeah. I don't know how you do that without walk through a lot of this game. I don't know how you do that. You have to go into the train and then the train will start moving but other ones you just have to walk through them that other ones you have to walk on top of them like it's not a door. Yeah these you know at the time. These were like absolute next level graphics and now like the pre rendered backgrounds and stuff and it's hard to hop back to that like some of literally because of a heart of site. I'm having a hard time seeing the details. Sometimes you enter a screen. And it's like so zoomed out. That i can't even tell where you buy. Yes and i'll leave the screen and have to come back because it's reloaded the place that i was before do use like all the arrows and stuff. I've turned that on free. Because it's been really helpful for figuring out where doors and things that i would not necessarily perceive as exits as doors. There's you hit select on your controller in puts like literally like mickey mouse glove on top of your car. This is you yeah put like little red arrows on like things that like are your doors and exits and stuff. So if you're getting a loss that's a way to do it you go through the train graveyard. Which is a huge to in the remake. It's know to do here. But like not by design just like kind of a design. The meal out of it in the remake. And you get through and you get to the where the pillar is that holds up the plate for sector seven and it's going down chivalrous ear and they're gonna drop the plate and it's not good guy wedge falls off the pillar and lands and one of cloud is like we're under attack and doesn't look good for wedge no and so we gotta go up there because barrett's biting. We gotta help him. And but what about marlene. She's running the bar baby. Marlene the baby bartender. And there's a baby running a barham frazier. I could figure out. Who is the bartender. All i'll take care of that. I could probably put together which one you're talking about. That's enough of a description for me. He's a harris. Goes off to save the baby bartender. While while cloud and t fight their way up big been shot. he's not looking good. They find jesse jesse's been shot as well. She's not looking great. You have opportunities said to talk to these people along the way in like you got like decisions to make of how you want to respond to them and you can either choose that. Like cloud is developing empathy or that cloud is still just like a total zero. Where did you go with with cloud as far as these conversations with biggs and jesse as a deeply empathetic person myself I definitely went for the more empathetic options. Because i know. Jesse says like. I'm glad i got to see you one more time or something. Yeah yeah i was like. Oh that's soon. I is bad odd. Totally metoo definitely thinking about tv or aris definitely thinking about you and so that they have to keep going up this up this sprawling staircase they get to the top barrett's there. He's shooting around. You have to fight. The turks or at least one of the turks reno is there remember reno. He's back turkey's got the red hair and he's got like electric powered stick is like i'm gonna push the button and push this button this place going down and don't be mad at me. I'm just following orders class. Just it's a job. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm pushing a button because the job tells me to do it i can. I can emotionally detach myself from the job. Because it's just a paycheck. The fight reno in was that hard one. He has like an electric pyramid. He puts on you have to fight the lecture pyramid otherwise. That's kind of annoying drives. Aww you're hip point. He he casts that on your characters and then you have to attack your own party in order to break it up so that they can continue to fight is you. Don't have that character is playable for awhile friendly fire so he beat them but even though you beat them he's still like pushes the button and so like the destruction of plate is imminent and then the leader of the turks guy named sang shows up on a helicopter as like. Hey by the way we've got we've got. Your friend heiress an ariza's on the helicopter. So they've kidnapped her and she tries to like at least like comfort. You don't worry. I got the baby bartender. Add if there he's fine. I did that. At least i did get caught. And so they fly off and you're kind of left to wonder like why did the turks keep what did they want with areas. Just the flower grow in all of this in the middle of all this. What's going on so they fire off and like you don't really have a lot of time to process that said because you're like well shit i gotta get outta here before the plate drops and so speaking of wires barrett's like hey look there's a wire over there i will grab it with my one hand and then for you latch onto one arm and and and cloud you get on my shoulders and the three of us will swing away from the falling plate on a wire that i am one handedly holding while the two of you are holding onto delicate parts of my body with tremendous velocity and momentum and kinetic energy on our way out of this exploding sector. Listen i didn't go to school for physics. They could cut in that. Like if not for the fact that the stakes are very real and the way that it's like cinema at least for me. I mean obviously i'm materializing. I don't know what your experience was with this. But i can tell you. What formative we as a kid. I'm like a seventh grader. Playing this game said and like the bad guys. False flag droppin. They're dropping the plate on their own people and like the way that they play it like. Yeah it's goofy to watch like barrett and cloud and teeth do like a human pyramid wired trick to get out of there but it's a video game but the way that they render the death and destruction like there's like a shot of like some somebody like in their house watching news coverage on tv as you see. The plate is descending out their window and clearly. It's going to hit them. And when the plate finally lands the dichotomy is so apparent because like the camera pans up to this gigantic shinwa headquarters building which is at the epicenter of mid gar. The gigantic tower. That's defy the defining feature of mid garside from the plate. That wake you can even get to the top level of the plate and there would still be higher to go and you go to the very tippy top floor. And there's president shinohara all but swirling wind glass literally listening to opera as he watches the carnage ensue. And probably is looking at it. Bring like a job well done. Yeah it's the same kind of like this in far cry three. The and i won't spoil that game but there's a bad guy where something like this is going down and like flight of the valkyries. The is like being played on his radio at the same time and it feels very much like that. Yeah it's supremely messed up like really really intense really messed up and you get like once you get control of your characters. Back you're back. That playground with google slide and barrett is losing his mind. He's just like shooting his gatling gun at the wall. 'cause he's he thinks biggs is dead. Jesse is dead wedges dead. And he's right they're gone. Yeah everybody that they know is gone and he he thinks marlene has gone as well and then classic the baby bartender. She's okay. i'm pretty sure she's all right. Yeah our friend. Eras from the helicopter said that she signed so that must be correct so they go back to errors is house in they and they see that marlene's okay. She's she's now living with ariza's mom and ariza's mom is like all right cloud i told the guy. Did i tell you not to get her to get her involved. I knew it was coming. Wife decided to do charlie voice for. We've rep forget the name of ariza's moms elmira or something. Yeah a grandma jolly airs his mother and she says i gotta tell you something. I may as well at this point. Let you know that heiress not aris in the in the for the sake of the the. Us translation for the nine hundred ninety seven released fancy seven. It's heiress is a member of this secret. Ancient race of people literally called the ancients Who are like these magic dwelling mile. You know sacred people who have this very holy connection to the planet and they are all but extinct. They're all gone save for one. There may be one still left. S who is the flower go and so like they show you. This flashback of heiresses. Mom her her birth mother who who died on the train tracks and heiresses mother like saved her and saved heiress and then raised heiress in ariza's like a kid used to be like. Oh i've got all these weird things to tell you like there's this war that's playing out in the background. Between and far off nation called wu tie and that sort of background detail that you can explore a little deeper in the game but it's not to use the dan limbo term mandatory. But you can get there. And that may or may not have something to do with this optional character who i will advise you on coming up for the next podcast and ariza's mother's husband was fighting in that war and errors like a kid at don't worry like he's returned to the planet and the next day she gets the telegram that her husband has died. So that's how she knows like okay without a shadow of doubt sort of like the way. The julianne moore really believes in nicholas. Cage is next powers in next heiresses. Mother has no doubt that heiress has this communion the sacred communion with the planet with spirits and stuff and so shinwa has had their ion air for a long time in the turks even saying seems to have tried to have some sort of chill relationship with doing errors. Such wanna come with us. And here's was like no. I don't trust you guys and things like all right. Well i guess. I'll for whatever reason we as an organization who are these bloodthirsty sons bitches will let you live your life for a while and then we'll swoop in and kidnap you logistically. I don't know that that ever really tracked for me. But they waited a long time and so now that you find out all this information cloud who is starting to come out of his shell. A little bit is like well okay. I know typically you all know me as the guy who doesn't like anyone and i'm like the bad friend in the group. It's always about me and get my gil whereas my gil at but they got harris. And i gotta go get her. I'm going to go and so like. Oh she's my friend now to we made fun of you at donc renews mansion. So like we're tight. I'm not. I'm not letting anything bad happen. Her embarrassed like oh well. She saved my bartending baby daughter. I got at least go and thank her right. And also we should probably get some revenge for biggs and wedge jesse and everybody who was literally crushed in sector seven. You never get to go back. There said sends destroyed. It's gone everything is wiped out. It's gone and so you go back to wall market literally have to buy some batteries and you have to climb a wire a shiny wire. Pope is what barrett says. And you climb this wire climbed past all the plates you get to the surface you plug all these batteries into get higher and you get to shimmer headquarters the gigantic schindler. Hq in the sky and you have to approaches that you. can you have to infiltrate shin. There's one of two ways that you can do it. You can either go in gun. Hand blazing and fight your way up to the top or you can climb sixty flights of stairs and the game will make you do that. You'll have time sixty flights of stairs will probably take you four to five minutes to do. Yeah yes it will and yes. I did another spot where i texted you in the process i was like i did not realize they literally meant you would personally actually physically have to. Yes every single flames every single step you got to do the whole thing and the dia art high potion in the middle nothing yeah and like throughout like you wake you see like barron t like heaving and heavy breathing on their way up bears threatening to go back down. Barrett's i can't do this. I can't do this anymore. And you're like barrett it. We are too far to turn back. It will require more effort to go back out into continue forward. I've been holding down this x. Key and push by directional pad. We're going down now. You're in the building and this is where most of the rest of what you have played takes place. It's like you have to infiltrate shipbuilding you have to do a bunch of tasks and puzzles that you gotta do you to hang out with the mayor and solve his library puzzle. The most important thing you can yada yada through that there's a lot of like little like fetch quests type stuff little detail oriented stuff that the game makes you do in terms of gameplay but the story point is that you get to the level where all the higher ups hold their board meetings. And there's a bathroom nearby where it's very drafty. And if you go into the drafty stall you notice that there is a vent that go in so you don't get caught venting the cloud barron era mtpa go full imposter. They vent from the bathroom to like the top of the corporate board room meeting and listening on they're talking about all sorts of stuff and a bunch of characters that you're meeting here for the first time said you remember any of the people from the the shinwa inner circle or is it still too early for you to attach names and faces to the polymers. they're right palmer's there. he's sort of this. Danny devito type Who literally runs the space program. Which is kind of like a an underfunded nonsense. Division of shinri just gets money and power and like occasionally every once in a while they entertain a couple of his space endeavors but shimmer does not seem to care too much about the space race. There's that guy that you talk to you and fight later whose name. I can't remember. Put a pin in him. Because he's he's he's important their scarlet. Who is the one who like as she leaves the board meaning like looks up at the ventricles. Smells like poop here. Something like that bad smells bad. I think she's the head of weapons development than there's heidegger who is another three right round Who has like a huge huge. Huge beard has a green military suit. He's in charge of the military and he laughs a the game implies of really annoying laugh because britain out. Gal ha so they write that out. And there's this guy named reeve strapping lad. Riven this royal blue suit sky like a thin beard and cool hairy was like a nice guy. He's in charge of urban development. And he's like. I don't feel good about what we've done here. He's the author of the mid guard times op-ed. I'm the adult in the room. Yeah at the anonymous. A some of us inside are concerned. So don't worry. I'm very concerned about what's happening here at shinora. So those are those are really the characters in this president. Joe is the guy guy. he's ex- he's got glasses. Got lab coat. He's a science dude. He's like very into his science projects and his science projects aren't like cool. Science science projects are like. Let me do deeply unethical experiments on people and animals right and so you follow. Ho-jo back to hojo's lab after the meeting specimen around because it seems like he's the one who got heiress and so you go to the specimen room and on your way to the specimen room cloud sees this thing in the corner like a refrigerator a refrigerator. There appears to be a severed alien. Had some sort of like weird like crank from the ninja turtles. Assign a name to this thing. At this point in time it starts with a j. Okay so they do genova. Yeah jehovah's witness. So here's here's jehovah is crazy alien head in this little refrigerator in the corner and everyone's like whoa cloud. Why are you freaking out about that. He starts like having some real panic like oh. Some bad stuff's going down but there's no time to panic about that like let's put a pin in that. That's a future problem right now. Hojo's doing bad science on dog so there is this just like the science is doing bad science to that dog. There is a the introduction of our latest and final playable character of this portion of the of the adventures. Ed yeah the namesake for your final fantasy seven named red thirteen. Yes who is talking. Little red tiger lion dog like guy with a fiery tale and a scar on his face. And it's talks a lot more than certainly barrett's like well it talks speaks. Yeah he's like yeah. We can talk about that later right now. We gotta fight yes. Read thirteen straight to biz red thirteenth. Like dude i get it. I misjudged all the time people have a lot of confusion. About what am i. What am i all about. Not right now. We don't have not now. We can have a conversation about that later if you'd like so red thirteen for now i'm just going to hang out with you guys and i also dislike. They've turned me into some sort of research experiment and i would. I would very much like to be done with that and so red. Thirteen joins the party Do you like read thirteen. Do i've kept read thirteen in my party as much as possible. Read thirteen is is good. Read thirteen good peeps. So we'll we'll have a lot more on red thirteen in the not terribly distant future so red thirteen joins the party. Heiress joins up again. And everything's all right. Well let's we saved aris. Let's get out of here. It's going as you do when you're invading when you're in the middle of literal corporate corporate espionage and middle of a secret operation. Just take the elevator and get out of there. Yeah well on the way up to like once you've gotten into the building and climbed your sixty flights of stairs. Then you acquire these various passes for the the escalators doors or whatever But but you can fundamentally just like walk around and you can talk to the people and they're like You must be new here and there's not a lot of like what is this person. The security seems a bit lax. But you get on this one elevator. And then there's another member of the turks haven't met this one yet. His name's rude very rude dude. Yeah bald sunglasses. Kind of looks like the war. Dog And he's like going up. Could you push up for me. It's like all. I think he's not asking. Yeah pretty sure he's telling me so he takes you to president and president. What you think you're going to do you're going to look at using a walk in walk out and it's like well actually literally what was done we did. We did most of that. You know we basically did do that. It's like we're just gonna take the elevator out. They're going to be no consequences. There are gonna kinda but no you like it. Gives them a speech. What does he. What does he tell these people. Because i know that this this disconnected with you. The the president shinri speech right So this is where he's discussing. Yes we've destroyed the plate inside. We've destroyed sector seven entirely Originally that was with the plan to rebuild it. But no we're just gonna leave it destroyed because it's too expensive by. Why would we bother russian. Blame it on antifa von. Yeah what's the point. You guys everyone thinks you did it. We have scored the moral victory. The money and resources could be used elsewhere. I e mma pockets so why why even rebuild embarrassing. Oh oh so yeah. What's to be gained from building housing. That doesn't make me money. Nothing as it pertains. Yeah nothing for presidential. He doesn't care meanwhile rivas like but can we. And he's like shut up then we've rights his op it. Yeah so presentation was like all right. Well i guess. I'll just throw y'all in jail so you go to prison you go to like these holding cells. Get to have some chats with everybody. Everybody's thinking about a different thing. I don't remember you get to talk to read thirteen. I think he's a little too new for you to have like a convoy with red thirteen at this point. Barrett's like marlene and cloud. You all right sometimes. I feel like there might be something off with you. And it's possible that i'm a bit of an authority on all things. Cloud strife continued considering. We're friends his kids. And we're don and ariza's like yeah. I've been special. My whole life is just like flexing. She's like waxing poetic about this and everyone's just kind of thinking about it and what we're in jail does getting out of here is going to be tough. Maybe let's just sleep it off. Come up with a plan in the morning. Said they don't have to do that. The plan comes to them by the plan. I mean a man. Vi- violent men who has come to schiller. Hq at some point during all of this and cloud wakes up and the door to his cell is open and there's blood everywhere everywhere everywhere. Blood on the floor cells are open. People are dead they all get out. They're like okay. I guess we follow the blood trail. Yep instead of being like hippy. What's actually take the leaving elevator or blood trail and everyone in unison is blood trail so they follow the blood trail in the blood trail. Leads to what you get upstairs you go back up to the two hojo's lab The elevator up to president. Rose you know executive office suite floor and you find a dead president shin raw with this important sword in his back is if cloud strife sword is comically thick this is like a comically long sword. Which you'll see more in like cut scenes and stuff but this sword is like eight feet. I have the action figure for this character. Of course. Of course. I do and the sword is longer than the characters makes posing him very difficult. So there's this giant sword that has been skewered into president shivnarine on one hand. It's like nice okay. So traveling and on the other hand but who did that and palmer's like hiding in the corner and they're like oh that guy the danny devito's yours and space danny and so they go space to any here and they grow for a minute like it was cephalopod roth and then clouds earth. It's a name that means a lot pretty clearly to cloud right. And how much about separate do you know at this point in the story not a lot i feel like unless i missed something which is certainly possible but i feel like the name keeps coming up then. Clearly there's a history and it's important to cloud. But i don't feel like i've i know a whole lot about who suffer off as i think what you what you should glean. I imagine that that you've gleaned it is like there is now kind of like this wildcard factor like this thing that was like a resistance versus evil empire has an additional element in it. That is now arriving in the form of this. This sort of like this baba boogeyman. There's the secret monster under the bed. Set roth is the name. And he's killed a lot of people here in general and it's like his signature sword or it's a sword that only he can use thing. It's very like king arthur. Like we can't even take out of his body because it has special powers they don't really go too deep into it but that's effectively it i think is like it's just sort of his signature thing and it's a bit of continuity where like they find. President shimmer with gordon is back or all the next time. He's just going to have this oregon. Don't worry about that. Just kind of forget that he left it there weird move. Maybe he just kind of went back and said oh shit got that went back and picked it up but presidential is dead. So you're like okay. Well we should probably leave your but then a helicopter shows up and there. He is the new the new man in charge rufus rufus. Who was the vice. President of shimura is the strawberry blonde son of the now late. Not so great. President shi'a rufus has has been informed of his father's death this was succession than logan. Roy is dead. Kendall is stepping up. And here he is. He's it turns out at least as if not maybe worse is kind of like the young charismatic. Like my dad was an idiot. My dad didn't go far enough. I think the. I think the dialog that i sent you the picture of was something to be effective like my dad ruled with money. But i'm going to rule with fear. Yeah it's like okay. Great dad was on the something when he dropped a plate on people. Like you should have taken it further. Yeah oh god. I thought he looked really cool as a kid. I told you the other day as got. I tried to style myself for my bar mitzvah based on rufus. Genera- it didn't. It doesn't look the same deeply troubling that pictures out there. I'll send it to you. L. said it to you. That picture has made the rounds. I was like oh. He's got the white the white suit and the black shirt. that's cool. Look i and so. I got like this like very beige suit. And like a black t. Shirt like my horrible mushroom gets it. I look exactly like him. So cool spitting image of child always. He's like an evil babe so you so clouds like all right everyone leave. I'm gonna kick the shit out of this guy sucks. And i feel like i should probably fight him and you all should get here and so everyone leaves cloud fights and his dog a dog to dog. If you're gonna make me do that. I'll i'll do it. You have to fight rufus and his dog and then heiress and barrett and their dog. Red thirteen have to fight some robots and this is another one of back to back fights right said we don't get a save point lead and you have to do the whole cut scene beforehand. I also suggests. Because the second time i went to do it i tried to save like after they separate. After you've done. The cut scene in cloud is like okay. We're gonna divide up And you organize your party I tried to go back into the room to safe. Point and i was like. I don't wanna watch the cut scene for other time. If i again. I would like to move forward. Any won't let you do that But fortunately i knew to like the second time that i did it to rearrange all the materia and Because if you don't have gic on the elevator you're rude because it's a long range fat so you can't you can't brawl through it not super useful to you if there is with magic. Yeah yeah and it's the only one late in kind of like a bear would just be able to fight anyway. Because he's got the gun hair but he's the only one magic's he got equipped with magic fight. The robots cloud beats up rufus cloud escapes. Shinners got everybody surrounded so pretty clearly. The only way we're going to get out of this thing is a car car chase of course as do. Yeah you gotta play. Mario kart in your final fantasy settings so you have to escape from mid garvey of mid. Dario cart is what occurs clouds on a motorcycle in everybody else's on a pickup truck. And like you have to play this mini game to escape mid gar where all these shinwar troopers are on their bicycles and you have to hit them with your buster sword. Protect your friends and there's very very very cool music that's playing The music all the way through is really tremendous. I love the music all the way through at the great. The bike music is really dope. And you have to do that. And you have to fight a boss afterwards and i. I always dreaded playing this part. Like anytime i would replay five fancy seven because i i've played this game like every two years for my entire life. Since the game i came out as love this game very much. I always get very nervous when the motorcycle stuff happens because they don't have the dexterity to do it wells ed. Yeah me neither i was. I made it through in one shot and shocked. I was like there's no way there's no way little weird. The kind of antiquated. Yeah you have to time it right that like if you hit the square button on the left then you swing to the left. You have to hit the circle swing to the right. It's kind of hard. And i always get like. I don't even know if it's possible. But i used to get anxious like am i hurting my friends mike hitting them a little bit rate. That was scary to me. So you complete the bike chase you fight another robot monster thing and then like you're all standing on the edge of this incomplete highway ramp this road to nowhere. Ed a nice stark visual metaphor for the way that shin built out mid gar. And you're all standing there at the edge of the highway being like what's out there. What is the world like beyond this place now. We know that lake shin ras is is doing bad stuff. And we've done the most of our fight that we can do here in mid gar and also who's this separate guy cloud and cloud new. He'd come back some. I've been waiting. And now that i know he's here. I i know that i've never seemed to give a shit about anything all the way through. But i really hate this separate guy. And i'll tell you why but you gotta come with me and fight them and so i guess it kind of feels like the momentum for the game is to go with you and do this Comes up with a reason why they were gonna leave. Electives like Back out into the world. And like i've never seen the world and read thirteen's like i'm a dog and so everyone's going to go and that's effectively where you've left. That's where matt. yeah. I've sent barrett and tika antifa. Yes it's two hours and anthony antifa great alternate name for avalanche. Because you can only have three people in your party. So i sent barrett and tif Back i guess. And i have aris and read thirteen with me and my party and you use a cell phone service to call them if you want them in your party. I don't know if you've got that yet. No i literally. I got to the point where they kick you out in your in area near mid gar or whatever it's called and i saved there and i have waited until we were able to talk about it before i can see you so obviously the game has just opened up in a fairly big wake you now on a world map like not in the urban sprawl of mid gar anymore. Shinjiro remains a very very big concern. But they're also may be this additional thing to be worried about and and cloud has some explaining to do and i this. This is roughly where the remake and remake may or may not do a couple of things a little bit differently from the way the whole mid guard chapter plays out in the original. But it's roughly at this point that the remake ends. But i would say that you're probably like maybe ten percent not even ten percent of the way through the game the story at this point so the whole big world. That's out there waiting for you and me time. I want well if you're on the map. Yes if you're on the madel yes you go if you go into towns and locations and stuff like that you still gotta find like these little question mark safe points and those will be those will be the things said before we wrap up. I've got some feedback for you from from people who i said we were gonna do the f. of seven podcast. So this comes from condor twenty four knowing that you played final fantasy nine before you played f f segment condor twenty four says what he thinks the change of pace from f nines medieval fantasy setting to the more steam punk setting at least through mid car. And i would just make that even broader how is like sort of like this like steam punk field urban sprawl like just sort of like the like the like sort of like the tone and the time of the of the setting the world in which this game is inhabiting. Is that resonating with you yet. Like is that is that popping for you in any way. That's interesting I don't know if final fantasy nine was my friend's favourite game because he is also. It's somebody i know from the renaissance fair. So i don't know if i used to be in that circuit. Yeah yeah performed at the new york fair for several summers So i don't know if that has to do with part of why f f nine is his favourite game F f seven like the world of it is certainly more directly relevant. I think to our world's excuse me to our world now and like the class distinctions of it steam. Punk at this point in time i feel like has become a little bit like overplayed but obviously that was not necessarily the case in nineteen ninety seven But it's fun for me. I'm not worn out on the steam punk idea way that i think some people are this is from alhambra. Who says can you predict where the plot is going. Do you have any ideas that you have any instinct for. This story is going. I hope it involves the downfall of sh- inra but it sounds like we're also moving in this direction of revenge against Something to that degree As we talked about a little earlier. I now think it's possible that The cloud is also in ancient. That feels like the kind of like a character revealed in final fantasy. Nine that i feel like would be of a similar level to finding out way into the game. That cloud is also in ancient. So that's i think. I'll keep an eye out for hints of that as i move forward. That a question from ralphie's said the question that i always asked my friends. We're playing for the first time is are you confused about what's going on with cloud. No not particularly. I mean i. I'm confused about the references to suffer. Because i don't think we know a lot about him like clouds been through some stuff and he's trying to process it and i think we all get that. Yeah i think you read on him as great by the way. And i think it's it's going to hold. I think i think you'll be good. I think you'll be good with that then. Then one more from jason. The great david maladies as do you have a preference in terms of the character of thika or heiress. I wonder i mean this is a big. There's a big debate in the phantom. Is this like relationship wise. I dunno aired the way the the way the question is phrased his preference tepa or aris. So however you wanted divide. That picked eras for my battle party because at her limit break is healing wind and she heals all your characters really really substantially when she hits her limit break he limit breaks are not as powerful in my experience so from a purely game mechanic standpoint. I chose to keep air over teeth. It's interesting because with the way materia works. You don't as strictly have lake dark magic and white magic. The way that you do in some of the other games were like in final fantasy nine viviers like the dark made So it's cool that you can. They're all final fantasy. Don't ask me wow. This is my favorite. So in this game you can give those. You can give the magic to any of the characters which i think makes the party more flexible relationship wise. I don't know. I don't know i don't i feel like i don't know enough about heiress or kifah as people really to have strong feelings about who would make better a better partner for pork. Cloud who liked clouds got like figure things out before before. That's on gotta get into a relationship with himself new orleans anyone else some self reflection that needs to go on we. It's a funny podcast named suggestions. Not that we need one necessarily but like more patrol is so sing song and you know i love a good podcast name. 'cause i'm an since the thing that i like so we had a few one was cloud control from from jason one was from alhambra was under the plate. Which would be like down the hatch. But mid garth themed condor twenty four took that a step further. And because if you die in battle to bring someone. Back to life you use an item called phoenix. Down so conroy. Twenty four said phoenix down the hatch. Which i think is great. This great a condo. Twenty also had josh. Mako podcast mako park. I get i get. It also had to the limit break. But i don't know i think we're if anyone's got suggestions we're open otherwise we're just talking about fancy seven here but i think extend extended hatch crack me. An extent in the hatches very funny. I thought that was great. You i do recall on a wiggle room. I believe it was the great filthy. Who referenced phoenix. Down in song and the final fantasy seven music. Oh yeah you're getting there in fact you'll you'll get their next time so give me anything you wanna get into that. We didn't get into from this portion of the game. i don't. I don't think so i feel like we. We talked it through the class stuff and the gender stuff and those are the. Those are the things that i talked up. So yeah yeah so next time. The music that the great filthy dropped in a wand off once upon a time is going to blast in your ears. Because we're gonna get through this. This is the next point that i want to get you through. There is going to come time in the not terribly distant future ed where you will find your characters on a boat okay. Okay you'll be on a boat and then you will not be on a boat k and when you are no longer on that boat that is when we will reconvene for our next recap of your journey through final fantasy seven. We'll talk through and experienced expected to be shorter. Podcast than this one. Gray always say that. Yeah they never is so get get to the boat and then get off the boat. Things will happen. We'll have much to discuss much to discuss. The story line will come into greater clarity in time for the next part. Was this fun. Yeah absolutely rhetorical question. Obviously you and. I had a blast but did you. 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Shit you can't be jealous can't be jealous and this is very very good community. I love those people. So i'm excited to talk more and they're excited talk more than the patron discord a. It's been way too long. We've had like a really long podcast together. I gotta tell ya feels really good. No something better than you do. It doesn't happen very often. I think you know lots of things better than i do. It just happens to be the one thing we consistently podcast about It's something more about well that's great. I enjoyed it. What a a great time for me to to relive my final fantasy seven experience through your fresh perspective treat for all of a treat for all of us speaking of games brooklyn's eddin. I of course are the the number one number two brooklyn nets fans on the planet we are. we're watching. All the nets games was. Ed really is said reports back to me generous watching all. I'm hitching my choke about your wagon. 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Fear The Walking Dead | Season 6, Episode 12 Recap: In Dreams

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Fear The Walking Dead | Season 6, Episode 12 Recap: In Dreams

"Your worst nightmares could come true at any moment. So it's good to be ready and that's why we're so let this podcast is brought to you by our friends at geico. You own or rent your home sure you do. I bet it can be hard work. But you know what's easy bundling policies with gyco easy to bundle your homeowners renters insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote. See how much you could save. Its geico easy is it. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com walking dead season. Six episode twelve in dreams is over or is it or has it not yet started. How are we just getting started. Have we never started. Did we all die. Is this the end of lost or are we all just kind of floating around accidental. Like on the breeze. I'm not entirely sure. My name is jessica lease and i'm here to try to figure it all out and unfortunately tonight we do not have chapelle to help. Guide us through this. Because i feel like as someone who's watched so much grey's anatomy. He has a better grasp on the afterlife than any of us. But i have the most wonderful of pinch hitters for us this week. You may know him from his wonderful trivia podcast by guests he has also appeared as a guest on this very podcast and we are welcoming him back one more time. Please welcome mr. aj mass hello aj. Hello just how are you. I don't know what to make of the fact that the last time you invited me on this show. I spent an entire episode in a boxcar with princess unclear whether or not anything i saw actually took place and i feel like i'm still hawks car. I forgot that was the episode. We had oh old mercy nurse while this this was something this was something. I'm sure we'll get into it but it was something of all of the episodes. This is something. I'm fond of saying of all of the episodes of fear. The walking dead that we have discussed on this program. This was certainly one of them. it was. here's the thing. I'm money the mad at the show on the show because this was a really good episode of television. It just wasn't a very good episode of fear the walking dead and that's my issue with it even really know what is a good episode of fear. The walking dead at this point. Because i feel like in the time that this show has been on it has been six different shows at least minimum. Yes absolutely. I mean. You know with the time johnston the hall. Oh you know this is a nice story. About the noah family and like everybody's dead slow around but you know like galileo it is zig zag a whole. I felt what what i didn't like about. This episode is certainly in the sequence of the story. It's it's like what we got the next five minutes. The story maybe from last week in any memento of the narrative just just comes to a screeching halt. And i'm okay with that if it's a cool episode that focuses on the back story or tells us something. We didn't know or anything like that but i felt so emotionally manipulated by this episode. On top of the fact that there's no stakes didn't really yeah future land. Maybe it's not like when walkington proper those a flash forward we see. Rick is an old man. And we're going. Oh okay so rick survives to become an old man and everything you like okay. So they're directing us towards this future. You know that kind of explains a whole bunch of things isn't exactly what happens because of yank that rug out so i've been down this road before. There is no way shape or form. This future could possibly have been the real future. It just didn't make sense it. This is a starter if this was if this was star trek the next generation episode where it's like. Oh time travel cool. That is one of these time. Travel time move episodes. You know you can figure out what's going on and figure out what's happening here. It's not the case with the walking dead. I mean yeah. Okay zombies so sure time travel could happen but as soon as wargin doesn't go a week grades cool but job all they're like. Oh this is this is all points. There are rules in this universe. They are stupid rules. Most of the time share rules that have no basis in scientific fact but their rules nonetheless and when you step that far outside of the rules you immediately know something is wrong. And i think the stakes of this episode depend on how long it takes you to figure out what the actual thing that's going on here is and i think the episode wanted you to be strung along for much longer than you. Actually plausibly could have been. Yes i mean not only that but they play dumb at the top of the episode. Where look we've figured out very very quickly that okay as soon as you seem morgan as the old man you have confirmation that okay. This is the future. And that's clearly grace's dot. It's hinted that up until that point a little bit. Oh my father she's gonna. Oc he's got the stick. Of course you know. We're supposed to like not figure it out until she sees morgan's staff of pieces weapons O i get it. It's it's wargin okay. Cool no we figured it out long before they did. And i felt that was really lame to make shrinks along off to to that point in addition to the oh it's so kink wonderful lauch in the color difference so clearly salton nina's mystical land and then to patronize us. By saying and every single person we know has a happy ending in this world. Dr dorey who still wearing the hat and look. Who's this. fine. Upstanding woman. Charlie and she survived. I know for most people who is not necessarily good news. It's not a happy ending. Dakota's not there so i mean your upside but house alicia well. She went back to this feeling. Fix the stadium ready. You know this is wrong because the stadium was a burned out and the fact that nobody else seemed to age. Yes there's there's no way. Daniel would still be alive at this point as ninety three years old. It's still cutting hair. Maybe the burns. Don't yeah he's got the makeup on like come on the whole. Oh and it looks charities. here it's wonderful. Thank together There's just so much pandering in this that by it's just fifteen minutes twenty minutes worth of episodes that really if you can press the five minutes maybe it woulda worked a little better formulate Something's up some serious or turn the mystery into something else I just. I really hate miss episode. At that point. There is a point where the pit happens but really at that point just like. There's nothing figure out here that that's the thing it's not a mystery interests. Hey look at this happy ending which we can possibly was because this is the walking dead the proper you know nothing in this universe emerick happy. Yeah it was Is basically it was happy. Gilmore's happy place when he has to envision like getting himself into his end state and like you know. His grandmother is pouring him a nice glass of lemonade. And he's making out with his beautiful girlfriend and chubs is there and he's playing the piano and everybody is happy and together and alive and then of course the hammer falls and then you get the darkest timeline where shooter mcgavin comes in and makes out with everybody. I feel like the rest of the episode like as soon as that part was over the rest of it was just shooter. Mcgavin making out with everybody. Yeah it's it's it's definitely it's i don't even have the words because they turned it from this okay shows do dream sequences all the time. Unusually cool mistake. Wake up immediately kind of thing. It's like oh this is a vision. You can do that in like the first ten fifteen minutes in like say. Oh that was her vision in now. She's back in. Let's move on with the story and that would have been kind of cool kind of. Hey this one possible ending but grace bought into this world. So one hundred percent that it almost was it almost was like mandated that okay. She's clearly going to die. And i know that's the twist wheels get and i think they handled that part of it. Well i do wanna get to that point but it just again the stakes is like she can't die industry moral so now. All this ole. We got the nick. Stahl and his people Everything there's nothing here anymore that has any stakes now. You're spending way too much time. Here how can i get it. We gotta find morgan. She's gonna put on the headphones. I don't mean this. It was like a search for something that you know. She has to wake up at some point. So die yet. It's it's not nightmare on elm street. You have to wake up to die yet. And i and the thing is is that i mean. Look the actress did a great job. Morgan is an old oregon. It was it was really cool and stand tastic. But whose grace really grace. Okay thank you sorry. We came back you know. Obviously the whole john dory dying. That was phenomenally surprising. You know yes. of course. that was moving in story. we've gotten to know him over many seasons. You know it was. A surprise was tragic that he died. Like i can't remember great. I remember because i've seen the scene of her on the under stupid carousel. Merry go round sixty seven times but my point is that the only seen of flashback. You have with her because she hasn't been around that long when she came back in. You know like hey. And she's here morgan here. She is got her for you. Who's chris again. what's relationship. it really didn't remember. She hasn't been that memorable was like. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah the has met sudoku Yeah see this is the thing. I'm really relieved. Honestly hear you say that. Aj because i was really worried that it a win win. We are podcast about this show and you know we do it intermittently. We did it for the first about four seasons and then it was like. Wow this has gotten really bad. And nobody's finding joining. It will stop. Oh it's getting good again and we don't have anything else to podcast about. Let's do it again board. Now gonna stop okay. Picking it backup intrigued again. Whenever we're not podcasting. I pay tepid attention to it and then i go back and re watch it if i know i have to know but i was really concerned that oh am i not getting the gravity of the situation because i wasn't really paying super close attention to the grace episodes and it's like no she wasn't she really was not in it that much. Most of the grace that we know is through the lens of morgan being really excited to have her in his life and all of the grace. Like we're supposed care about grace because morgan cares about grace. We don't have any reason to care about her ourselves. And so it's like oh. This is very sad for morgan. I guess yes we care about mortgage obviously but it goes back to the problem that we've had with morgan. Since since clear a reasonably is the whole kill. Switch thing with morgan is. It's all or nothing it's either. it's either. I'm going clear or i'm a cheese. Monger cheesemaker turned off. So as i won't kill anything. Or i'll kill everything and you know when morgan surrounded by the The goal is about to be killed. And you know he's like i'm done. I'm done with this world. It gets his little note from dakota saying you your emissions not done yet. You still got stuff to do and yes. I'm gonna make this place where we're all going to be peace. Wonderful love will never have to kill anybody again. And what do we see in this episode. Yep it's gonna kill yet. It's just a guess a middle ground sort of kinda because he didn't necessarily Next goal cutting meeting choice but through the what down. He tried to kill him too. And i think probably could but you know he. He stabbed him in the arm. Like a go now. We don't need you anymore. Okay but kill him. kill this. Want your defending the baby at this point. I think it's the same problem. That always morgan in the kill switch in and they turned it back on him and immediately tried to turn it back off. I don't buy it you don't you can't do that. You have to let it warm up a little bit. You can't just turn it on and then immediately turn it off. It's going to be really bad for your circuits. I feel like. I'm going too far down the electronics metaphor pattern here. But i i. Yeah and i honestly i. This was a point where i really wanted him to have the kill. Switch on like that guys there. Why don't you just kill him. That solves your problems. Does he have other guys with him. It doesn't look like it. Just kill him and then you don't have to worry about it but instead there becomes this whole thing about. Oh well do we kill this guy who's gonna kill us or do we let him go out with the thing. That's going to kill everybody just because somebody had a prophetic dream and this goes back to the whole like you know. Watery tarts distributing distributing weapons. out of. Lakes says no way to govern. Yeah yes indeed. We're commune like a dream. Like you do not. I know that we have fallen pretty far. At this point. We are out of normal society and there are a lot of weird ass colts governing. Everybody let's left. You don't have to be one of those weird s colts. You can be governed by logic and reason you could be the volkan community morgan. You wanna do something different. Just don't let weird things that happened inside people's brains guide you all you have to. Yeah i mean from a from a writing standpoint from metaphor sampling from watching it. as of you're standpoint. You know us watching grace's dream. I think is certainly something where we can analyze it and take things away from it. And what one of the writers of the show telling us about her dream in. What do these things represents. That's great but for grace to wake up from the Instantly have those same revelations made grace. You didn't know before you went unconscious here that you were having a girl. You're a boy all of a sudden like oh no no no now i know for sure. The shirty of it all Just didn't make any sense. And here's the other thing that i think didn't work from from a long-term point of view is that dispatch these guys so quickly as if nothing it totally minimize the threat of these people. I mean yes if the key is going to be. You know this whole nuclear codes kind of thing. Going on here has bad. He just gave him the king. But hey yeah but you know. It's not like she actually did travel in time. Yeah renewed after there was just a dream which was basically you know. She's still suffering from the radiation affects somewhat in i. I don't think it's going to kill her now. And i think that's kinda cool against the whole that whole aspect of it is very cool but in terms of the long term story. It's like okay. They're they're nothing. Morgan dispatch basically the five of them in like two seconds here. Here's the by now. Get both world anchor. The hardest thing about this is that i think we are. We are being told this story. If morgan was watching this whole sequence with us like we didn't buy it because we were watching it. And be kinda spoiler. Don't really buy it that much ourselves but working didn't watch any of that time travel trip. He wasn't sitting there with like the dvr following along. oh and all the trees were purple. And i had like the morgan freeman. Beard okay oh and that's our daughter. Yes i see now. I see why you feel. All he got was like grace waking up being. I gotta have this baby for the good of society not gonna die. Babies go to live in the future and mortgage like got it. I will give the nuclear key to this guy. Now yeah it. It's almost combined morgan for that. Because again mortgages than this market is morgan. Morgan is morgan us the well. Yeah i put in a put the arms down and said no more killing just killed them. Forget that the corpses liner i can see. I can see oregon deciding for the good of grace. Wants me to do this. And if it's her dying wish you know who will again. She had the key in your vision. So i might even have bought. It said. look the key. We'll get it back because she has the key. I know back even a block that what it was like giving the key. It's not gonna work. We've already won. He just doesn't know it yet. Like no that. That didn't that didn't work. I think it might have been a right around there. That could have fixed that a little bit for me. E there could have been could have been. I don't know what that is though and usually very very good at figuring out how to fix this and modestly. Don't do this episode here at this time in this on in this way i mean. Look good things about this episode. The really you know. We've we've spent the first half every every moment up until now just just ripping apart. We'll do it again. I'm sure before we're done sahana Srinivasan was amazing. Oh yes us grow to is a great character. And i love the fact that they made us care about his character who will never meet now and really feel the loss in terms of you know if someone has a has a stillborn child all the hopes and dreams. You had for this child's future go out the window. I i think they personify and displayed in a way. That really was impactful. And i think that they were very successful with that. Part of the episode. I mean i felt loss at the end of this that we will never know what tina in that is kind of you know. I don't. I can't imagine that you know in real life and i seem to put a to allow us into that sort of feeling. I think they did a fantastic job with that. You know when you think She's grace is gonna die the whole time and then all of a sudden. The baby's not cry. Is that moment of the darkest timeline turn at everything. Just like oh now. I thought that was fantastically acted fantastically done. They absolutely nailed it. Hit a home run with that. S for sure it. Just it just indeterminate. To cool i thought in the sense. That grace's social or that. You know that. Okay you're sharing my dream my vision of the future and no it's it's she sharing athena's wish for the future because she's not gonna see it and you know she's the key she has the key and the key you know she's dead which means she doesn't get the game which means you have to keep her which we don't give qiwei it's the symbolism here and also viewers. I think that works very well. It's just does the characters know that so Yeah again. I just think that the turn of the story was fantastic. The acting was fantastic. The whole athena a character. I wish we could've seen in just nailed the emotional wish. They didn't do that on mother's day. There's that's kind of the biggest. The biggest issue i have with this outcome is that you don't bring someone through the wringer of dead child on mother's day on could have been time a little bit little bit to figure that out. I don't think they went to. The right is going have got this great idea from aside. I don't think that's what happened here. It take the timing just happened because who with especially with the pandemic the reach of who knows if they knew when this episode was going to get hurt counter wise. But still when you see. That's going to happen maybe ago. This'll be a good week to rerun. Walking dead. children on parade went through week. Yeah there's there's a lot of things you could have done differently or you know this. This moves the story forward so incrementally practically show next week's episode. I haven't even watched next week's episode. They dropped the screener on me today. I figured i better not knowing but next week's episode for all we know doesn't even address what just happened to mortgage. That's how they're telling the story now anyway for switch the order like show us whatever. I don't know whatever charlie's doing next week and then and then even if they do show morgan like a. I gave the key away. Okay rewind why did market give the key away whereas grace's baby okay. Let's tell that story. Yeah you you could. I mean again. I don't even watch the coming next week. I don't care about our next week. I don't like watching those. Yeah even if it's okay we got a leash and we gets to find more about the plans. Zombie worshiped land in the believers. And all that stuff. Even if at the end of that next on walks in and goes off i got the key. None of that takes away the stakes of this episode. Because did he kill somebody. Kilmore gonna get it. You know you could. You could still have that spencer again terrified. You'd be like oh wow. Did the bad guys win. Yeah finally dead. What happened and why wouldn't you kill him at this point in terms of like you know once once you killed john dory in virginia in back to back episodes. You know you know has plan armor anymore really at this point or you that that. That brings me to the question about nick stall then. Why didn't he just kill them. It really seems like there's no reason for him. He's just making his life harder at that point. Well i mean. I i would think actually it does make sense because i did not seem all that hope said but his his friends. I'll just got. Yeah killed either. He's got a pretty callous approach to life and death already at this point. But i think it's kind of the point where morgan's not a believer. He's not going to believer. We'll have time to make him a believer so he's going to be here where we kill everybody anyway already dead. I don't have to spend the effort here and actually kill him getting more blood on my hands in anyway. So i think in that sense it does make sense that he just went out. Yeah but you're gonna kill them anyway and maybe maybe the people that they you know the two people on earth that have the potential to fuck up your plan that you need to give you need to get rid of those sooner if you're gonna end up having their blood on your hands anyway. I see what you're saying. I think per you know not knowing the whole bible of these you know maybe maybe it is like we only kill when we have to only kill when they deserve to go back to the earth. Yeah or something and plus you know. He doesn't know that the baby's not going to cull through this points. I'm not going to kill pregnant. you know. Yeah that's a little much labor. That's a little much. Yes i the baby have your. Maybe you'll see the light. You know new world plus a little bit little bit hobbled by having a postpartum woman in a newborn. That's gonna be a little tough to keep pace with one guy with a key. Yeah i so. I think that certainly. That's it why be anymore bagai than than he needs to be. I guess i have a feeling he's going to be a worse guy before this is all over but yeah i agree you i mean it is one of those things like you can just go now. I'll let you live never never turns out right lease things you never. I'm just going to strap you to the table mr bond. I'm going to sit the laser up to bisect. You and i gotta thing so have fun with that go. I certainly i mean this even the does ambiance in this universe. Carl doesn't kill the zombie. Can't kill the zombie del. Guess what you know things happen on this show where all the so yeah. Obviously they're gonna confronts each other again. But also i mean you know you need to get pictures Quick about a picture because we have a dramatic ending to get to here baby by the religious motivation of them. Like i came here to get morgan jones and they made morgan jobs to do like. Oh my god morgan. Jones is the anti christ everything as i. We need the kielmortgage. We all these people after you to get the key. And they all ended up dead in like. Oh yeah what did you say this okay. I thought it was better for oracle key. But if it's okay yeah yeah. So it's it's there's a lot going on the writing. This in terms of lake said The bridge from last week's episode to whatever happens next like you said this progresses plus so incrementally forward that is just like this would be. I would be. I'd be raging right now if they didn't pull off the emotional drama the genuine. I actually genuinely surprised that they went there. It may. Chris went through the doors. Like you said the loss of it all doors into the white light. She's the one who did that. We know what that code where she's she's not the one he's so you know i'm all for you. Know taking those stereotypes and they bigoted we're going here here in the zigging we should zag. But oh my god. They made her record the farewell message. Like on real. Aby yeah actually aj. I want to ask you about this song choice. Because it's one of the things like chapelle is right there with our references all the time. I'm not sure this is a reference he's going to get and i know it's one that you will inches my favorite director. Yes yeah. I immediately off so glad we got. Aj because he's going to know how totally messed up. It is when you have one of your characters listening to in dreams on repeat. Yes i mean this the blue velvet of it all certainly comes into play here and you got in dreams which is on the nose. Don't you think it's on. It's on the nose you know. You got a scene with dennis hopper better describe this because i think i think a lot of our audience is not going to have seen this film. Daily to surreal it. It's a it's a great movie it it's one of my favorite blue bella and it's about light and dark accepting coexisting side by side and you can't have good without evil. I mean that's that's what this was about comic lachlan. Is this very small town. And he finds ear paper bags and he could just handed over the police since say. I'm done with it for chip. But he's curious he wants. He wants to pursue what he becomes a detective gets he gets involved with this lounge singer And she is in this horrific situation where her child has been kidnapped by dennis. Hopper's character named frank. Who rapes her repeatedly. Just because he can and he calls her mommy again just gap show. Yeah exactly having the imagery Horrific the whole point of the movie is that you know. You can't have the light without the door and you can't recognize that your life is good until you see that. There's a lot of bad out there. Don't go looking for it. 'cause they don't chasing waterfalls man yeah exactly and so to have that image in your head it just it just. It's not it's not. It's not a happy song than that you know. The mother says to go to listen to this happy song when damage for me is going to be dennis hopper with a gas mask on. And they're flashing back to her in the has mat-su which kind of like with the gas masks imagery. They're very similar. they're doing that on purpose. However you even if they are meant if even if we are meant to understand that grace has clearly never seen this movie it's just it's it's the choice of songs you know couldn't you just can't recover clown. They call the sandman. Yeah you could sing your kid to sleep with pretty much every roy. Orbison saga the catalog. That's what he's four. Pick a different song. Yes i wouldn't be above change larisa. Please stop cra lady. Yeah absolutely so yeah. It's it was odd choice and it's a pretty sohag absolutely but it's one of the songs that once once gets linked to a movie in a scene it's not the right now not the right move. And ironically i feel very orbison was kind of on his way out like nobody was listening to roy orbison at the point that blue velvet comes out and then blue velvet drops and everybody is interested in roy orbison again and pretty much remained so until his death in eighty nine. I think we laying covering his stuff. Like yeah you got last night. Yeah blueberries come along in. of course. yeah. And i think like you have elvis costello writing for him i i. I'm the only one listening to this. Podcast who cares about that. I feel like i would be the kind of person who would make a mix tape for my unborn. Child may have already been that person. I would never put that song on their no. No it's it's just you just. You just don't do that no to that end n again. Grace might not know better and look you know. It's not like she was able to go in. Daniel gimme all the records are going to go for here. This is something she had already from from her her baby daddy who never met again. I feel emotion for this. Yeah that's the guy. We're seeing like. Dayak gruesome yes exactly. So it's like okay. Sure it this might have more weight. And i don't really. I don't think i can figure out. Why bidding go down this route emmy why. Why don't you just have morgan in her. Have relationship and have this be mortgage child. We were funky with timelines as it is. You can jump ahead six months or whatever do the same storyline and then it has a lot more weight for morgan. I think as opposed to. Okay well i wanted to form this whole new utopia for both the baby of the guy who led me here and my baby. Who's not really my baby. But i'm gonna make it my baby because i liked grace like it. Does this mean he no longer has. His focused doesn't care anywhere. Well i think that would be tough for the mortgage we know. I don't think i see morgan. Knocking up some random woman he meets. I think he especially because the first time we meet morgan he is a father and he is protecting his son and then he loses his son in that shapes him like. That's his kind of origin story. Like he is. It takes a lot for him to open up to anybody. Because what would the kill switch. And they're like son dying in that pushing him over the edge for so long. It seems to me that you can't really put morgan in that position where he cares enough about somebody to start a relationship with them and be hopeful enough that he could tie all his hopes like morgan jones as know him if it is his own child who dies here. He goes back and he'd deliberately like he. He turns that second key herself very true. He's not gonna not gonna have any hope left. And so i think they very deliberately made this not his baby so that he still has something to fight for. Let's fair but i mean at the same time if john dory death doesn't push him over the edge like you know like is he going to get pushed over the or is it just like this in this. This new no. We don't kill anybody unless it's very well. John dory is mortgage number two since grace rolled up. Grace has been number one. If we kill grace at this point. I think if grace dies with the baby then he also burns it down. I think as long as grace's still alive he's still got something to fight for and he's not he's not gonna go clear so i think i think we kind of we can take everything away except like the one bare minimum thing that keeps him holding on by a thread and then we still have story. I think we can't. We can't go full clear right. I think what we could have replaced. Grace with athena right. Maybe lived in grace died. I didn't have a transfer. That's what we're all expecting if that's what we get this episode. This episode sucks right like we're saying. The only relieving thing is that we had our expectations. Subverted right that. That's the only thing about this guy that i liked of reforms. Data great super discovery yes. She's apparently she comes from a background as a kid shows host. She's on this. Netflix show called brainchild. I mean i love the discovery of the actors on the show. Like i don't really know from a lot of other things i mean you need. The actress plays grace. I saw her in like two episodes of criminal minds six years ago or something like not a lot like so. Yeah i i think you don't expect acting on this show right and the acting is always pretty tremendous. Although i will say i didn't i didn't by lennie james this episode. He was really especially old. Morgan was really founded in it. Help you know. Sometimes especially i think. Part of it is and he's lived in this character so long it shocks me. They still does this but sometimes it feels like it feels like because he has put this accent on top of everything. There's this extra wall between us and the character. And i felt it a lot like he was really felt like he was really reading his lines this week. And i'm not i'm not an actor but get some of that though might have been a choice. Because it's not. Morgan will maybe that As he's gonna be morgan. Is this guy because this idealized version. Sixteen years on it. I mean he had daniel in strand on. Were such wonderful now old. You bother because. I need someone who knows how to do half. There was a lot of that kind of fans around were. Hey look and sherry got back together. Yeah yeah there was a veneer on it for sure. Exactly there's makes sense. I like that. If if that's a choice. I see where that's going and that's i would not have thought of that and you're right i mean obviously get. I'm not an actor that has to be a choice. Yeah well i wouldn't call myself. I've done some athletic hall myself. That i mean i think you have done. Maybe the toughest acting there is. Aj because you've been able to convey emotion while your head is completely covered in a giant. Indeed it's like some of these zombies. I see on the walking dead leg. Good that convey emotions all the makeup at do you convey pathos when a smile is perfectly pasted on the face that people see all about sinking those shoulders. A subtle subtle killed tip. I i opened go back to the one time. The fire department issued a psa with matt they me to cherry picker and they sent me way high above and they took my hand and they said here. Hold onto this. And i was like no. No no no no. I can't talk. They handed me aggressee access to hold and that stain is still on the hands to this day. Oh my god never replaced the hands. No no and i was so angry and no one knew were shooting. The cherry deterred bigger came down and my boss who just happened to who drove me there. He like. I hear him go how he's got to solve this. I can tell so. I knew i knew i did a good job at that. Is that mr bekaa. Still but idea. I think you live at you. Live with a character live so long you kind of you know subtle things how to have babies things i think like you said living in morgan for so long can really with an eyebrow just glance to the left or the right can really convey something for some of us just reading into it. Because we've seen the character time again if he just makes different choice. You're like ooh yeah. I mean if you didn't already know that this was a dream because of the song about a dream playing and hyper saturation. And the the strange waking up in the middle of the samba field. You had no dream. Because then lay james comes out. And he's morgan but not oregon so the one we went. We didn't go with the cranberries then off because they also say zombie and that would be kind of tongue. God what if. What if the only tape that grace had play for her unborn. Child is the cranberries greatest hits. That would be awesome. Oh man the only music left a in. Zombie apocalypse is like i could see daniel like going to his of records. And pulling out the cranberries. Yes indeed that would be good. That'd would be good Yeah i this is r- anything else to really parse from this in terms of what we can take away from the or anything from the dream that we can take going forward is kind of the writer saying hey that was that was the future in his death futures. Clearly not going to happen now. Is there something in that. Is there something. That greece was perceiving. Meaning that we can expect in the next couple of the season's over do we expect deletion. Maybe wanna pick up madison's legacy in go back to the stadium. Do we think that allah's gonna leave than go on pursue that story that she's pursuing that we all know wink. Wink isn't the story of your lady. kinda hinted at some of these things in the past is white and jerry. Is that something that's going to happen. I mean i think. I think that just kind of were meant to take from all of this. What people want. And it's not just what grace would want for these people but it's kind of this sort of this really non subtle manifestation of what they would want and i don't think most of what they want is logically possible. I think we could see al taking off to go. After her lady love we could see a leash trying to build a something in that stadium. But there's nothing left of that stadium. Let it go. It burned to the ground with mother inside it and nine million zombies. The that that is that dream is dead. Mantis inquire on the body. Madison clark may not be dead but the dream of the stadium. Okay sure as hell it. Yup i think. But i think we know that that's the thing that alicia would want. And i think. I think daniel and victor i think deep down they want to be friends they want to figure it out are at least everybody wants that for them so that they will stop and i think you june wants wants to be a doctor. She wants to be the healer. I liked that they sort of slip that in there. Oh yeah june. Still building that hospital. That's where she went. She didn't just walk off into the sunset she had shit hospital build. That's the whole reason. She stuck around and they you know they're like oh yeah. We're going to go to that hospital that she's building. Remember that i that was nice piece of expedition. Their love it is the opposite. Potentially true where you know. This is the happy ending that we you know if you're fan of the show and you she a happy ending for air because it's possible but now we see that you know. There is no happy ending for for grayson morgan. At least in terms of raising athena. That's not happening. Are all the other things now specifically not happening and icee. Because i do. I think daniel victor will ever become friends. No i do not. I think that they might come to some sort of understanding. Have in the past than something blowing up again. That is something cedar steady dwight sherry. Get back together. Probably not probably not. But here's the thing you mentioned. We we see. Charlie this vision all growed up. We do not see dakota. Charlie dies and dakota's days. Oh man this is like i said happy gilmore. Before though this is the ending of wayne's world ending and then go to a happy ending. Charlie die by the end of the season and coda gets to stick around. Because we didn't see dakota. But we did see grownup. Charlie and nothing in this vision is really going to happen man. I that's a pretty like now. We have to just write out everything we saw like. Okay so that means you know that means al doesn't get to go off in search of her quote unquote story. That means you know luciana and west. Maybe they never get together. Maybe you know. Dwight and sherry don't make it work in june. Never gets to be a doctor or this new show. 'cause genitals allston finally gets tired of this goes somewhere else. We don't have to kill her to have at least that's true i mean it's it's the truth about every cast member departure on the show. You don't have to kill them to make them leave and madison. Clark yeah i fully expect heath is gonna come onto this show i would. I would love for that to happen even a bitch just a one off passing through town. I would look to see. That's the perfect opportunity for some of these characters to rework themselves back in. This is just once have him. A robert patrick spot yes exactly three cool the triplets. Another one. Oh initial says. Dj college another one. The other you know we did see the same zombie get killed five times. It was quintuplets and none of texas. I thought that was very cool. Way to handle a dreamscapes again at that point we know marino. It's a dream so you're not doing it to try and trick us or to have like you know the whole process at all like who is this. This is real. I opened the door to that is is there a hole in the back is not. We're not. We're not playing with with reality here. We're we're like. Oh i'm in a dream and you know we have to wait for her to get her dream powers and she kind of does. This is a dream. you're not gonna kill me You can't hurt me or Stick because this is my dream so You know. I thought that was very cool to play with it like okay. I had dreams where. I get stuck in a loop lake that now. Let's go back in drain you wake up and you go downstairs. Wake up and you go to the line but we will. We will experience that. So i thought that was a nice representation of that kind of gosh texas guys back again so. I thought that was a fun. Little playfulness if you're gonna because you can't do more than one dreams episode in all seriousness. Get one per french accent franchise. You know unless you're gonna do like a quick like the. Oh i woke up and oh it was all a dream thing. Yamada's the cold open west waterway face candidate but yeah. I thought that was fun. I thought it was a fun. Way to do it I thought it was fun. As as morgan was killing the guys in reality they were appearing in her dream. Because it's kind of the way a dream seeps into the reality seeps into your dream song plays on the radio and you can hear it in the dreams. I i thought there were aspects of it. That were really well so it was a well done episode while crafted episode the ending heartbreaking. Because it was such a surprise and hey they went there. The honest honest capture of the emotion of the situation. I just wish that this wasn't killing all momentum of everything that was built up like i really need to see alicia and find out more about this group of people and all i see is you gave them exactly the they wanted. Which i guess accelerates the plot but it kind of is an off camera thing so that with the walking dead. At-large does best. They put you in a place where you start to care about something. That's going to happen and then they're like. Oh no no no. Let's go over and find out what's happening with this random cheesemaker and guy. We haven't seen in three seasons. Yes and in terms of filler episodes. I prefer doing something like that and swinging big than doing the end. Let's take three weeks to walk from point b when it really could take one cut it out. I'm fine with that Do i joining carlin rollerblading. Now i don't. I don't eat storylines like that but You know if it's an honest emotional storyline again. A character. I care about bond. Like i said they made me care about athena in the span of sixty minutes fast in practice yet. But that's something that the show rarely does where you know you introduced to. Hey here's three characters were gonna kill two of the money into the episode and the other one's gonna run away and we might see them in three seasons jiffy. What they do on this yet I thought that was really nice. Job of making me care about a character. Really feel the loss It's something that you don't see a lot on television done well and i was not expecting it from fear. Yeah it's it's something you really don't see it much at all. It's probably good because it's a very dark place to go. But i was reflecting on this. Because i'm watching a show my net flicks of choice right now. Is this australian sort of drama. He called offspring. And it's about an obstetrician and it's there are seven seasons of it and i think there is one. She loses one baby in that entire seven seasons of delivering like three babies and episode and call the midwife same thing. Maybe they've maybe lost two babies over nine seasons of running a clinic for impoverished women in london in the nineteen sixties. So it's something it's a story they don't tell very often and you're always primed for a well the baby is definitely gonna make it. Yeah baby pretty much always does and so when the baby didn't this time it was it was kind of like doubly crushing for that. Yeah i the only episode. That was kind of this. One off didn't didn't progress. The plot kind of thing. It kind of reminded me of picard on next generation those other life the inner white. Yep you really get to know his wife in world and you care about this wife when she dies. You feel horrible. The very end of that episode. Where lake he's with his grandson. And you realize scranton doesn't exist in yet it's it's it's heartbreaking and in so i think that's again another show. The few and far between which is wanted to sell memorable is where like these just introduced a whole bunch of characters who only exist one episode of. They're gone star trek. Does it a lot because you can. Technology and stuff with the transporter incident were to buccaneers six combined to anniversary of to fix last week. Older you go. I didn't even know that. But i still remember to fix. I'm like at the end of that was no. Why am i love to fix to make you feel about a character. Equity takes a fantastic actor. Anna fantastic Writing and framing device. That ruby makes you buy into the preposterous situation because it has to be a prosser situation. Yeah and i think this really works. I really like i felt the loss of and i felt also you know these other characters for the startup world. Yeah it was. It was a very the thought of like this whole this whole reality. That is now not going to happen. Is like the worst thing. And i it is is actually another place that does this similarly and quite well is the I don't know if you've seen the movie about time. Oh yeah intel the one thing. I always describe like you can tell. Somebody's apparent because they there's that one scene in about time that never leaves you once you've seen it and everybody else like. Oh this is a cute movie with a great idea. Yeah but when he goes back in time and he comes back in that child has been replaced by different child like he is schilling to the bone. And you never stop thinking about it again. And i feel like this is that it's that same emotional place that hits you like. Oh that child is not child that we've met is not gonna happen at all. I'm gonna go leave will be more secure on your as a great film at one should watch that movie Because you know who doesn't need another movie with richard. Oh yeah. I know where you're going into this but this is this is a tv. Show starring kevin. The kid called journeyman life. Yeah yeah okay. Lasted one season I did see this declawed on the writers strike and it was the problem. But there's a one episode. They they they have a son and he goes back in time and he shows up and he does something just a little bit different and we he he has a daughter and he says i gotta go back and get my son back and his wife in the scene. You cannot change anything. this is my daughter. 'cause she only knows the daughter and his time under whole fighting for the exact same thing and it's just so in sold on it was a show that has just should've should've lasted they just never gave But it's jones thing. Where like josh whittard. I've had this conversation on many of our time travel discussions on chillers and everything is like. He's like so you know you always says. Would you go back in time. I said not to the point before my son was more just at this point like i would never risk that a. That's it that's my art line in the sand parents. Get this Yeah i i think it's definitely one of those. What would you do to make sure that that. Yeah yeah two thousand eight was just. It was a great tv year. And then you know hard you know. Pump the brakes on everything in some of it never came back from. It are p the riches seeking of speaking parents and children. Aj thought it was interesting. There's a lot of like very deep walking dead mythology in the scene where we see dwight and sherry reunited with children For one thing that's austin amelia's actual sun cool. So i thought that was fun and they named him john apparently after john dory and then the baby's name is tina. And do you remember why they would've named the baby tina no. I'm sure when she told me it will obviously go out. Of course it took me most of the afternoon to remember this. But the very first appearance of dwight have dwight and sherry are running away from neagh and they have sherry's sister tina with them and she has insulin. And then they meet daryl dixon on the row. He rescues their insulin and brings it back and then it's ended up being nothing. He didn't gets killed by zombie anyway. That sounds like such a unique plot. Twist of somebody going for medicine in coming back and then having it not matter anyway but never happens on these shows as a. I feel like it's i feel like vegan should have been a little more understanding of that. You would think all these bodies burnt plastic around again and they zombie that killed her was like a kid that she used babysit for or something. Like that yeah show very dark show. It's funny. I spent the first like six or seven years of watching the show not really having it sync in the way it does now that oh these are all former people and every time somebody dies and comes back that somebody that meant something to somebody and that just makes it worse and worse and get desensitized to that of their through a period of time and then it comes back to you every so often. This is yeah. This is one of those weeks that i feel like it's really the life indefinite all is coming together yay though i will say one of the things that the entire franchise does so well. Is that once the show starts. I'm so immersed in it. The commercials are just jarring to me like the me right out of it like even though this was this fantastic dream world that i knew wasn't rehill even in in in the walking dead world. That's you know car commercial. Hey everybody is the airflow here. With like i mean i really get get sucked into to the quietness of some of the episodes in this. This was a really good episode of television. Do i thoroughly feel that. I saw something that hadn't seen before. I was emotional wreck at the end of it and yet at the same time like i said this was awful episode of fear walking dead. It does nothing to advance the plot more than that little steps. That didn't need to happen in this episode in. I felt manipulated because you may be care about character. I shouldn't have ever met in in the worst possible way and although as a television viewer on the loves television. I appreciate the swing. I appreciate what they were trying to do. In i read briefly will d. Do you know. The writers of this episode have had experience with stillbirths and were trying to convey that i get it. It's cathartic for the riders. This particular episode and i don't begrudge anyone who has a tv show to do whatever they want. Kill whatever character. She want make any proposition you want. It's not on us the viewers to dictate what decisions they make. I've said that time it again. I may not agree with it. But you have every right to do it. I don't know what purpose it serves in this particular sequence of events. Yeah it is. It's more like. I would rather be watching this out of time like i would rather like. Give me the whole rest of everything and then say good. Episode of television watched this after. You already know fact if somebody's binge watching if you are in future. Maybe i should have put this up top. But if you're if you're listening to the future and you have been binge watching the walking dead and you get to season six episode twelve skip it go back. Watch the rest of the season and then come back to this. Yeah it's almost as if you finish your season and then you come back with these bottle episodes so you don't have in order to do that. He has that. Because i'm sure as we just prove it's a no brainer. That's short a win. Yeah i treat this like that like this is yes. Darrell darrell falling in love with a woman with the dog. They don't need it. Explain it later. I guarantee you everything that happened. In this episode. You're going to hear about in the first five minutes. The next one will because what happened to me. I mean there is at least impact of that. It didn't like not have it. So yeah there will be impact of this going forward. You know it's okay it's okay. It's fine i. It was an hour of television that i watched it was narrower intelligent that they don't hate that i watched You know it's a little disconcerting. After on the line we'll narrator episode with daniel then go into an unreliable narrator episode was clearly constructed fiction sell. You get away with it. The the pacing than the placement of this episode. Just glossing quite land right. I mean he said nano it will have a little fun with it. You know how dirty woman show or not you know. It's the mega happy ending for everybody. So it's like they come into the town then filthy woman's there and she's like hey. I took a shower o. Wouldn't this have been the absolute perfect spot for that. Kim dickens cameo yes showed up last year and everybody's like who don't know who that is joined the catch cast much later than that and then as i tell you all about it. Yeah there we go. I like the whole clark family and then while we're at it like everybody that we liked from the previous iterations of the walking dead like we'll bring back talking crazy dog while we're here and you know the good auto and end a kid from the very first episode. Who was on the virus in. We never saw the one who broke into the school to get supplies. Yeah that guy that guy. He's the morale of this universe. I i enjoy that character for two minutes. We saw him having this course next week. We've gotten mega happy. Ending the dark ending next week. Of course walking dead is going to give us the scooby doing exactly what no way where tool at leash if it hadn't been for you and your here stupid kids. Yeah do. Do we have an entire episode in one room talking with our big bad. Yeah i think maybe that's what we're getting next week. I don't know actually. No because i've heard i have heard something about a guest star from next week and i'm going to i'm going to go on. Imdb very quickly because they did not say in the information that i was given by amc. They didn't say that. I couldn't say that this was a guest star. Who's going to be on there. Just said i couldn't say like who had it like who he is in the show and i don't know i haven't seen it but surely i'm just going to double check. This is d. Be that i say no reason. I have no reason to say this but See that don t look up. I am db was located all up regular thing wrong. This is all frigging absolutely okay. I'm i'm checking the google now. I m but oh wow walking dead wicky has do not go on here and get spoiled but since january we have known that next week's guest star is going to be keith kennedy who Walk dead wicky. Does say who it's going to be. I was told by amc. I'm not supposed to talk about it but apparently like all of these other places are talking about it so if you want to know who is going to be you can look it up. But i'm quite excited to see keith. Garrity join a walking dead universe. He's a great actor who has been in many many things. He was pennies dad and the big bang theory. Which i'm sure is the i want. Everybody goes to in well. Yeah grandma he. I remember from from dexter a multi episode arc on dexter. He was With the dexter sister and he had a really great and throwing it back to criminal minds because as you know cantat signs garden. I do criminal minds. Podcast looniest pundits he. He does have a recurring role. Multi episodes of a serial killer named frank. Which is really cool on criminalize. So he he plays. He plays Gray area sinister very well. We're not sure he's a good guy or bad guy. The which we are he could turn either way. Yeah it's it's true. He's he's very good at this kind of like you'd think he's kind of you're kind of drawn to be also kind of like you don't fully trust him and then you feel like either way. You're going to be wrong about him. Yeah exactly exactly. That'd be cool. I gotta give it to the show. They get they get some names. I've i like being excited by that. Because i think many shows i've followed you. Don't get a lot of name actors coming in you're like oh i'm super excited. I think game of thrones is the only one i would see like the list of of people coming onto the show and i'd be like oh my god. I can't wait to see them in that role in doing that. Thing and i think fear the walking dead does it. More than regular walking dead even. Yeah we're ready. We will hang the says elliott. This week it sheeran shows up in zombie backup. I'd he's not gonna sing because he did that. I gave it is. That's the kind of guest but you get here or you go room was only. You didn't see you blink. Hey if i was. I was a famous person and i got the clout to walk on roles on my favorite. Tv shows a definitely be if as as army mean. Can't say you wouldn't know schaja thing. I'm just saying that seems to be the only thing that we get is. It's so rare to get. I mean i was very excited with Weaver was on. That's that's a get 'cause you know. I will watch murray river in any short at half. It's just like she did that. The show with tony cohen on net flicks. Unbelievable something like that and it was just like. Can we just give them all emmys right now. Lease the entire you vote. You live where people like that. Making these Gary that's great yet. I'm looking forward to that. I'm very excited. I feel like waking up from a very bad dream tunnel. Yeah i'm waking up and keith carrying is in the bed all right so age. Is there anything else that you want to highlight from this episode or have we gotten to. It's too it's very deep dark emotional core and we really don't wanna go there again. I know i think you. I think i've said everything. I need to say i. I'm glad i had a little bit of time. From the time i ended the episode till we did this podcast because it would would have very different podcasts in the immediate aftermath i mean i was much angrier at that point And then i was like wait. Wait you're bringing me on for another one of eighty s now is i. It was a very good episodes of television. I am glad i watched it. And if i had to rate it on a scale of one to ten for free walking dead it gets three. you know. It's like one of those days. Were like us so frustrating. But that's what the show does. That's what your show. does it. Equal part really exciting in so looking forward to seeing where they go look to see what a leash does what what the plan is there. Let's find out more about the believers with their backstory without having to do you know. Another flashback episode. Tell us show us here. Look i'll take you to a room where we do this procedure there in this why we show us what the scientology is all about. I'm slowly. Yeah yeah i wanna see how the sausage is made exactly and then let's get to. Let's get to the final battle let's go. Let's just moving along quickly. Leads the shows proven this this half that doesn't necessarily have to follow that traditional everything happening in the peninsula. It so it's like you know we've had deaths we don't need anymore like we've had destined almost every episode thus far of important characters in so yeah. I can take a week off from like major crying in death. If i if you're gonna give me some backstory it in a way that keeps by address. Yeah let's just do a week where nobody dies. It's like the by week. please please. I think this last one was held me over for a couple of weeks. I don't see any more deaths. That's our this. Yeah full of on death and of course. Aj every time. I see an episode of the walking dead universe where it turns out to be a dream. I am calling you to come and recap that episode out thing. Is your bryce isaiah family visit. Now i'm looking forward to it. I can't i can't wait to have the dream sequence her the little ones when we we the suit lure suit kissed wild overdid it. How did the sandwich made you. Didn't you just make me a sandwich. i'm gonna loop no fear. The walking dead season six episode twelve in dreams is over but we are just getting started or are we see what you did there so aj will what else you got going on lately awe. Well it is baseball season so you can go check out my fantasy baseball ratings on. Espn dot com. I got the by fantasy baseball. Rankings for points leagues that i do each and every week update on mondays My hearing on the fantasy focus. Podcast the baseball from time to time. I often guests there Other than that. My guess trivia podcasts data. yahoo's right now but We'll be coming back soon. Hopefully and like. I said the concerns garden. I have started up the looniest pundits full episode re-watch of all three hundred twenty three episodes of criminal minds. We are fourteen down. You maniacs hundred nine to go. So i'll still be doing this by the time we have the fisted also of walking universe on the arm. Sure but i'm gone. I'm glad you're enjoying yourselves. I think that's really all that matters in the end and six years from now when you wrap that. Three hundred eighty six episode. You'll you'll you will have accomplished something. And i think it's really proud of it is going to be a bit of a of chasing the dragon. Because from what we're led to believe the paramount pluses doing reboot so be more episodes. Coming cheers might become ten. Maybe by the end of it all will will know what the amiens personality be personality. Maybe we'll figure that out that when you do let me know indeed all right and i don't have much else going on this week except that over on rob has a podcast later on in the week you will hear me talking about the twenty second best survivor season ever as ranked by listeners. Rob has podcast. That is crazily enough season for survivor. Marquesses cases which everybody's saying it should not be this low on the list and yet here we are so. 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The Amazing Race Australia 2019 | Season 4 Preview

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The Amazing Race Australia 2019 | Season 4 Preview

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It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's pain and it's getting in between you good day everyone on having another season I thought it was over but then out of nowhere everything is new again episode ones come into you this coming Monday October twenty eight on let's be real is kind of doing the same thing these days but I thought after Amazing Race Australia three we didn't hear anything for years network past that I am super excited about this partially because and I know this is different house different network really different but given how good podcast Dan Heaton Dan how are you oh great you know I've I've been cranking the midnight oil I've been watching three years ago survivor is really only fair that we bring in this in this cast and talk about them and introduce them give you a little background ahead of the season so without further ado let me welcome to coverage on the eve of the premiere of Amazing Race Australia season four and I want to preface all of this by saying we are unfortunate as erase Australia was in the past it's just fun head of like with survivor to see them come back again with the new structure it's cool prevent any disease it's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's it's great we thought this was dead and buried I think the amount of time between seasons of amazing race Australia just stretches out further and further amazing race. US Korea season a little bit behind and just really you know I could talk about Vegemite I won't I won't go too far with this with the skaggs here but I will say this is reality TV HAP- ups My name is Jessica lease and with his always in Heaton and we are bringing you some extra special bonus amazing race like no street cure or prevent any disease the free hemp oil get back to your life with CB medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure I'm not going to be able to bring you weekly episodic coverage of Amazing Race Australia for a variety of reasons but Dan and I've been looking at this cast and what little we could find out about channel ten I believe in Australia so it's all happening Dan and we are going to do a little cast draft for everybody and I wanted to get your opinion then we've been looking at this season and it's so exciting we couldn't not do a draft and we will be keeping up with the draft as the season progresses and we thought it was yeah no I don't feel as terrible about it but you know I think you picked I in that one so maybe I pick I and this one Dan how do you think we should be structuring. This draft does our previous performance on amazing race Canada have any bearing on who picks I in which teams pain and it's getting in between you in life you want to live CD medic targets your pain added source it's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the in between you and a life you want to live CD medic targets your pain added source it's fast acting relief with active ingredients plus the added benefits of tea it's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's pain and it's Guetta you know I had the teams that finished third and fourth which was much better than you know what I had the team that was the team of the season that I picked so you never the benefits of THC free hemp oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to be potentially looking at somewhere between four and six legs in Africa which is amazing and I cannot wait for that and we're going to be going I know having Australia they probably are owed regardless they're going to be doing some traveling so I think this is going to be exciting just as a framework for this that they are it's I would add stay at it makes also the travel skills possibly more important right bright you know how I feel about spoilers with amazing race spoilers I wanted shoes or how do you think you want to go on this well I will say that I feel a little better about my picks in the majors forty five thousand kilometers I'll stop now but the idea is this does seem to be something it may not be going when they said three continents I'm assuming maybe Asia Africa Australia I don't know if they're hey it's kind of maybe not on the level of maize race you asked as far as whether going but they seem to have a decent budget where they're going to be doing some serious traveling so that's interesting have no idea how anybody finished and it took him forever to figure out who any of the people were apart from one team that is an exception that will get to at some point I'm sure but they do know the most of the places that the amazing race will be going and the three continents thing is the truth Australia is one of the continent's and then we're spending the entire rest of the race the job with casting and I think one of the interesting things that has been pointed out to us is one of the reasons that there's been kind of a delay on this they've known they wanted to make another amazing daughter you have instagram irs of nuns you also it's not just the relationships you look and there's a lot of diversity and and also I say this kind of feeling a little more like I don't really know about this cast who's going to be great and not so I'm okay even if I pick I let you that have two picks after that I don't feel like I'm getting destroyed right off the bat but what do you think about that I think that sounds great and do we want to dive right in yeah I want to briefly say though I think this is too much of a spoiler because I think they have shown bits of it they're going to be in Korea they're going to Mongolia they're going to a country at least one race for a long time but they kept delaying it because they didn't have the perfect cast and they kept trying and trying to get the right conglomeration of people the right in Africa and Asia and we're not spending a tremendous amount of time in the Asian countries where the US amazing race likes to go so we're objectify him after I have this moment but I I like him he's easy on the eyes and I already am happy with this casting choice long reno they put up there and they're like three hundred flights two hundred seventy cab rides three continents like Jeff probst there eleven teams out of diversity of personalities and backgrounds ages and I think they really knocked it out of the park I think this is such an interesting group of people yeah I agree this interests me also compared to Canada if you've listened to us and Canada at least according to alcove very quickly here the marketing through this trailer that's like two minutes we're just GONNA have like five minutes of me shamelessly thirsting for Bo Ryan because he is extremely attractive I'm just going to say it and I I'm going to stop as far as comedy sketches and hosting I think is a really strong choice to guide people through this I agree and I think it's going to be Super Fun but he is not is a total stranger to controversy will leave it at that but I think in the context of the amazing race and context of what he's done it had comedy bids and then he created this music video are single you know where you from featuring the justice crew which I tell you if you want to so there you have an indigenous couple I mean it's looks great it reminds me of some of the best cast I've seen on the show and I think we're in the cast ahead of time I want to know where they're going ahead of time I don't WanNa know how anybody finishes and this season it seems like the spoiler team of the information that I've seen out there they yeah and so basically the four rugby player who also is on TV there's a show called the footy show where kind of talked about rugby but then like what kind of host we're going to get here watch that video that's all I'm GonNa say because this is going to be a goof compared to grant the last house not actually Jasmine Jerome they're a married couple they are both thirty she is I promise I won't spend the whole time just reading the Bio or for fun and I also get a little just one more thing here the host Mr Bo Ryan Oh you don't WanNa get me started on Bo Ryan because I think even you just looking at you know I have a page up that has all the pictures of the cast and like you said it's you have siblings you have a mother up where it might not be totally that way so I'm GonNa go with I mentioned we have digits Australian couple and I'm going to pick that yeah I know that you are a big fan of the nuns Dan and I know in your heart that they are your secret winter pick but if you WANNA leave him on the level rapping skills but yeah there's a there's quite a lot to like about him a couple of things in that video I'm not going to discuss not going to touch I like which is not a good idea but I'm trying to find here teams that I like that I also think who do okay so I'm trying to Kinda mix actually so even if these people are boring where they're going is not going to be boring but looking at this cast I don't think this these teams are going to be at all boring I think they did fudge she's a lawyer and they also have a two year old son but I feel like they're a team that seems the John Montgomery camp hosts I think he's very personable he's very hands on I think he's going to be like the kind of guy you WanNa hang out with able I'll leave him on the table for you for another round or two if you want to go ahead and pick somebody else as a risky choice yeah I think I will I mean they do have a secret weapon I that's why they're called the deadly duo which took me forever to figure out why they were called that but I will say I'm GonNa pick them because I feel like they're going to be I guess we should get to the draft jess should we get to it I know people are just on the edge of their seats waiting to see what I'm GonNa do we'll pick the nuns I it's a question indecisive and I see that as the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object and I could see them at a crossroads like maybe trying to pick detour and jasmine being unable to decide which one they should about he kinda Kinda likes the thrill stuff and she seems very smart and but is afraid of heights and they also do a lot of running they joined the Darwin deadly run is GonNa be a lot goofy error I have a feeling even with this cast they're going to go for kind of I wouldn't say the silliness but I don't think they're gonNA take it seriously even as as race Canada they seem like they're physically very fit anytime you've got a team that shows up in there in matching tank tops I think that's a sign that they're going to do well do and he just loses his mind I could certainly see that happening if these are weaknesses that they already cop to I I also know that and just what they also talk about wanting to start a culture tour companies so I think we're GONNA see a lot of that but I have a feeling that they will do okay real solid they're going to be a consistent team they're going to be one of those teams that just kind of we get to the admiral like they're here and I think they also have a good story given and he even even in the Promo es kind of some goofy facial expressions and holds up the little sign for his face but I know I could probably probably just do a few hours on the promos and things like that mentioned that and also too I will say if you watch I warn you I guess if you even watch like the two minute preview or some of the videos when the tea confusing race us has not been too so if you are a travel nerd which I very much am to the point where I have like a vocationally travel nerd at this point that is really cool that but yeah I think I think it's a strong pick it's a good number one pick I think you can't really go wrong with them they have a two year old a few things stand out to me as potential liabilities for them I think you're right there's not a lot jerome has admitted he has kind of short fuse and Jasmine says that she can be very Jerem says he likes the extreme sports he likes the adrenaline but jasmine has a thing about heights so faith they put one of those switcheroo yeah I mean there are one of those teams that comes in and they feel like they have something to prove and I think that is a powerful motivator in a lot of circumstances and yeah they're extremely likable we're going to start tracking this drome not a fan of eating challenges mark that down is GonNa come up again for almost all the teams so they know how to deal with extreme and difficult situations already yes yeah I agree and I think that also to be you know they're Kinda look like a team that would go far in the race I don't know why I just there are a couple and they have different skills and you know they they hud but beyond that we let's move on okay so my first pick a hard time because I like a lot of this cast a lot and I tend to often pick just teams yeah and he just seems so goofy he was like he was a rugby player and I was of course gonNA mention but I'll move on to this part now that you've come to the experts Dan went intense maybe a little bit unpleasant so please give me sid and ash the dating couple slash instagram influences earned second and third picks from just I think we are and with my first pick I think you're going to see our amazing race Canada experiences is going to be a sillier season the pros even or kind of odd and silly I think we're going to have a lot of fun US yeah I would say I put Bo Ryan kind of in he's much more in Tord let's show the team screwing up or being afraid or stepping outside their comfort zone I think everyone of the videos I've seen of them out on the course is coloring my picks as well as yours I think Dan but one of my biggest regrets of our amazing race Canada draft is not picking this team thinly drink a pitcher of beer with and I watched that video couple of times because I really didn't know quite how to process it he's got Kris Noble team say what they're afraid of not that the eating the show will then cut to a clip of them possibly doing something like that so if you don't want to be spoiled at all yeah there's a lot there that would imply this is going to be similar but so why did you make this I made this pick mostly on the strength of they remind me also of another team like somebody's screwing up at something or somebody being too afraid to continue it something and so I think every single one of these teams is going to get one of those moments across roadblocks where it's like okay who wants to jump off a high thing and then they're like surprise person that said they want to do it isn't going to be the one to do it that could be a problem on you know the show loves them on the amazing race. US and I say this because you get a little bit of that intensity and a bit of that athleticism but then they also say they are intimidation I used to do prior to international amazing race seasons back when I was young and spry and had much more time to devote to the RHA P universe I used with what teams may or may not be doing I would just say that in terms of Jasmine and some other teams may be that we might we might see something confidence I think confidence is always a good one of when they ask sid what is his proudest achievement in life this is the most instagram answer I've ever heard in Asian of at I think I think I've cracked it with Nash I think they are David Arena plus Colin and Christie and calling Christie of course are very fresh in our minds having just are that multiple people were were deathly afraid of each one of the challenges and so that's like doing a logic puzzle you know basically it's they're trying to really cause that's that's I've never and call it in Christie of course got very very far in both of the seasons they were in so a team like this they're young ish they curiously enough my notes they also are former elite swimmers which if you look at them I mean you wouldn't immediately especially with said thank God that guy was a swimmer then having you basically nipping at my heels all season on the strength of having this one team on your team so I know what you're GONNA do now mind to disclose their ages I'm not sure what that's all about but they look young and they look like they're in good shape they seem like they're pretty well traveled They have that also like we even saw Lorna Joann last season I mean elite what does that mean I'm not sure but still they trade and it was important they do look inward a lot and I don't know if they say that just because it looks really good on instagram or what but I think there could be a little call it in Christie upside in there I yeah I they were pretty high for me because I totally saw the day even arena and not in the exact same way they're not boxers but the course of the race yeah it's just I like who does it in the first leg we we don't only totally tell by so are we ready to get the various rough they're very unpolished most of them are not even looking at the camera and one thing I noticed in all of the video footage that we've seen have sit in ash so far is they you're on the facebook page for the Amazing Race Australia they posted the final interview rounds as they were casting the teams and so there life he says my bulletproof self esteem I haven't insane level of self confidence in my ability to get through any situation regardless of what life throws my way which okay this is like this is like amazing race Canada and the water challenges or the what were they were all afraid of snakes snakes so I should we should seen that whereas show really says such as I'm afraid of this and then oh by the way they're going to do this so that's GonNa be interesting and attractive I mean who knows I have no idea in most cases where this is happening you thing where I would look at the cast of amazing race season for every team I would tell you what to US teams are what teams we've seen from the past they are combat shows that they while they talk about not really being camping couple as she talks about it they probably are a bit stronger and more fit especially aerobic means that they will go pretty far I think the one thing that could trip them up is if they put too much of a target on their back very early on and they do not engage with the other teams a clue as to how they might handle a situation like that because this is the team that allegedly steals from nuns and they don't see season yeah exactly where it's or are they going to be because that was the thing about Dave and arena as they were so competitive but they didn't just say uh-huh cheese afraid of that's what I will say yeah I'm starting to see why casting was such a bugbear for amazing race Australia this time out because they had a set of challenges and they needed to make sure gotta do now this is this is not a hard choice for me I had to say who do I think is going to be dominant and what part of the race so this is not impacting my pick at all it's just something interesting to note with some of these teams yeah a lot of these promo videos were very much gear and the challenge is apparently to make a certain number of dumplings and they are making the dumplings and the none say oh I don't know if we're going to finish this eighteen that might steal a cab or something but then afterwards are they just GonNa like double doubt it'd be like yeah we stole it are they going to be a little nicer about it so Dan we have mm-hmm I don't know that the other teams are going to like them all that much but I think they like each other very much they like themselves great deal and I think that there is a scene in which I believe it's a detour I'm gonNA guess it's a detour because they're sitting in a room and also the two nuns are in the room our interviews but we're not going to get in their face that's that's that's the big question because you know they they're probably going they seem like the I don't know if that's something I want to have a beer with but it's probably someone who's GonNa do okay on the amazing race yeah the actually had that written IQ quotes bulletproof self esteem and amazing race it's pretty it's pretty cold yeah it's interesting this something like that it's like yeah I guess that's okay for the rules but apparently and you have like a couple of teams that you're pretty sure are going to dominate and then there's going to be at least one surprise team that looks very weak and turns out to be much stronger asked I really feel like they tried to get a broad spectrum of backgrounds and abilities but I don't know that they tried so hard to get eleven teams that all have an equal goofiness there so it's going to be interesting to watch how they do they the only thing I can think of is I know they've they're great in front of the camera are those where the show probably was like Oh okay so it'll be don't know seeing the repercussions of this if there are any but it's it's very interesting what what Dan and I are talking about is they could get penalized for it or whatever but I do get the impression the season's GonNa maybe have more of that but have a bit more I don't know what the phrase is just kind of quickly than they might even see him up there not just totally a team that I mean they do a lot I think they're going to do a Lotta mugging for the cameras but that also might be able to kind of place so it remains to be seen whether sit in Ayrshire going to surprise us in that regard and go up very early or if they're going to be the team that we think they are all right they have been to a lot of places they know what kinds of challenges to expect on the amazing race they seem like they did a lot to prepare you know it's funny Dan you felt compelled to root for them because it was the only way you were getting points in your fantasy team but you didn't really want them to do well this is something I do not know if they'll get dinged in the rules for it or if the nuns ever came back if the dumplings were getting end up being counted for the nuns anyway it's hard to tell but in that moment I think that is definitely one of the sneakier an dirtier things I've seen happen on this show yeah and that's where I kind of get the idea you could see them being the target of a u-turn where you could see an alliance forming to try to work together to get past them I think similar to what we saw with even arena this past Twat who is your pick okay well with my other pick I'm GONNA go with a sentimental pick because I can't bear I can't bear it if I end up having we need to go double check the directions we gotta leave the room the nuns leave the room and said Nashville over to the table where the nuns are making dumplings take a bunch of their dumplings and put them on their own plate and they are twenty nine twenty eight years old they are reality TV super fans and they're in amazing shape they are certified personal trainers and they seem do things in the lake confessionals or the camera and so our Sid Nash GonNa Realize Okay we can talk smack about the other teams or whatever when we're doing it I'm to the one bit sorry about it it's a doubling though I mean it's it's auto cab but yeah he is one of the more underhanded things I've ever seen someone do on you know I think we've been doing this long enough now where I look at my rankings and put jazz miniature a one and then two is timid rod and three Nash so my well we're just get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease oh who they're playing to and they know who they're talking to and they communicate very well and I think they communicate very well with the camera they also communicate very well with each other so I think you'll see a t sometimes you have a team that seems strong and to have everything that just we don't know how that's GonNa go I mean there's definitely going to be one of those teams I think we have to note that with this cat shot of winning the race I think it's very amazing race Canada kind of cast in that regard where you and I have talked about amazing race Canada casts having a tier one tier two tier three whole team a whole team full of teams that I don't actually actively want to win and I ended up having to root for them I feel like I feel like David arena put you in a really tough position now through things too you know there's something to be said for being comfortable on cameras well because one of the one of the source materials that were working from here to try to figure out who these people but there are kind of the intangibles with the race you're navigating you're getting from place to place that they'll do okay but that's where saw and so I wanna make sure I have a team that's I think is going to do well that I also really really like so with my next pick I'm going to go with rod and Tim the newlywed Lorna Joann kind of team or your frank aiming and then you have teams that there's at least one team that you're gonNA look at it and say I think this team could win and they end up going out in like seventy downlist my top three is gone to I had two different order but that was even timid rod and Jasmina Jerome like an Arrow going maybe one should be one or two players or football players are these guys are personal trainers and there's a lot of personal trainers on the season strangely enough but they will like they won I think they're going to be very likely because those guys I know it's a sentimental pick those guys are in shape I tell you I mean you're talking about I mean because you can look at say oh well the you know the soccer anymore roadblocks I think you're gonNA have there's no deadweight on this team at all is what I'm saying yeah and I think too I will mention alert there is a team that I have flagged as Heaton Bait in my notes well well I know there is a bottom tier sorry yeah that could be the final three yeah I could see that I don't think it is like you said but you can you can pay yourself a picture of that happening shirt yeah it would be kinda boring hit there there are solid team similar a little bit for me with luxury with all the teams like I will not be this but I can look at these three teams that's that's those things coexist those are the same thing scared and I've done okay and gross eating and Dan Oh no Disneyland is the place come on it always only reason it's further away that's should go further away for them about it's actually closer but I think they're both exceptionally well rounded individuals and so it's kind of at the point where you're not gonNa have the situation where one of them has done six roadblocks and can do it eh teams that are there I won't do it but so I have to Pixar okay let's get kind of hate to say at the boring team out of the way I challenges yeah and it's almost like I think the one thing that might trip them up is that they're a little too similar and I think they have admitted the same thing they kind of have it does they land so good job guys good job I like it I'm rooting for you it'd be more if you're on my team yeah and probably slightly more if they were going to Disney world backgrounds they're in similar shape like you can't point to one and say okay you're going to do all the strength things and I'm going to do all the puzzles that could be a problem if they just ended up being all strength that Tim he thrives on adrenaline but he is scared by Bungee jumping that sky diving but that's what adrenaline is as in if this was our final three so I hope it's not but I wouldn't be mad added if what's Yeah I was kind of hoping that you wouldn't pick the next two teams I had because then I'm like after different like you're really rare type of food because they like to travel around for that one of the things I would have mentioned about Tim Rod is that when they win there that this team though makes me a little nervous because on the surface you go you've got these guys they're footballers that means they're in shape they're they're young guys nice picture up for their instagram feeds that is true so maybe sometimes that can be grew SFU grows food though you could take I mean I guess if it's like something really I don't know where I'm going with us but really really grossing gross eating he's another guy so we got two of those and we're three teams in the very competitive though I thrive on adrenaline I'm on the ground not the air there was there was no comment from about gross eating and it's probably just because they only eat things that they can take it Karoo I'll stop now about about that I could get Dan going on theme parks tell you about the differences between the two resorts now it's like I have tears like we talked about it now like oh shoot because this is the part of the draft right always fail right here right here just this part I has this depart spoiler is they will likely to go to physical challenges I do give them a little bit of like Dan drew upside though I don't know I just okay that doesn't mean this is fourth versus fifth or wherever this is this is I just went knocked out said I try and think about the other well Walker okay let's just take Tom Hutyler right out let's just am that is played professional football I will say and has done well and is going to be competitive and want to go out there which again that could be they do well but this is why I hesitate a little bit but I feel like fourth or fifth I still think a team like this kind of a middle tier team because I think yes we did see a clip of them writing a very slow taxi and you know they're going to be in trouble but I do think though in the early going especially a t Aaron race I don't see this team going out I the unknown for me really is is this a team that like you said that we think oh they'll be solid and they all of a sudden they go out you're listening from Australia I will just say that the footy mates as they are known who knows but I feel like when I see this point most of their lives I think it's worth noting that Tyler's father is a legendary footballer and the two of them were playing elite level and so I feel like you know it's I think it's really hard to tell exactly how they're going to do when they're faced with like the entire rod spectrum of things that the amazing race at this point I don't know and I hit this call the boring because we have no idea I were always wrong I will say this upfront when I say team is boring the draft they seem like the right team to take yeah I mean I that's who I had next on my ranking list I think that was the right pick and I think you do make a lot of good points seven or six or is this a team that's going to surprise us and and move further up that's where I have the question marks but I think I think to there are pretty safe pick and or you know seem safe or whatnot and they ended up being the goofiest most fun team or the season Ataman Gordon Yeah this could happen here so Tommy Tyler ridiculous and that I think is going to befall one of the stronger teams I think some kind of game twist will probably knock eighteen out and I think it's brought in that kind of high pressure situation in it's an entirely different kind of high pressure situation I think that's something worth noting and here's another thing that I thought was interesting that I do not know prime playtime and I wonder how rehabilitated is he is he gonNA be able to keep up is he is he back at that level that could come up that's a thing that I noted for a second because you did remind me of something that I've seen in a lot of the preseason coverage that I kind of did a little bit of a head tilt when I read this in more than one article about if it's going to have any kind of impact on the amazing race because again it's a totally different skill set from the skill set the excel at but they quit and I think I think they feel very one note to me at this point and I hope to be proven wrong but I also feel like they're the two young good looking fight ask you to do because these are two very devoted athletes who were playing in the AFL and they have pretty much lived and breathed football for I think I had picked to go very very far and then they ended up being on the wrong side of a twist and went out I think in sixth place or something air jobs as professional athletes go on the show but as it happened Tom was recovering from an ankle injury for most of his rookie season so it's not like he was really giving up afoot challenge they'll be fine but what else can they do are they going to be are they going to be able to think on their feet white as well when they're which and also team that I was reminded of watching them is the professional rugby players from mazing race Australia's season three who an integral part of the show as we know it so are we foreshadowing something with that you think that plus knowing that Tom is incredibly cheap are we going to see one of these teams friendship and the relationship at least which is another checkmark in their favor yeah they they seemed like they genuinely do know each other so that is a thing I want to go back to that money go out because they ran out of money interesting yeah I mean I always wondered too with the US inside if sometimes they are begging for money but we just never saw so maybe they'll have a lot of money they're not going to have the Salmon Sarah Oh we don't have any money we have to drive around to budge at all geologists for money it like it was a case where they still were doing it but I'm not even sure that's the case I think they probably make sure they have enough or what not but the the show itself makes vein all the fun kind of greatest Ted stuff and maybe they part of that is possibly emphasize more the travel aspects which have gotten pushed this season they kept saying the here's how the amazing race works at they get a certain amount of money for the whole day if they run out of money they have to beg people and I'm thinking more focused on the personalities of it and how they strategize and I think we've moved away from travel almost to the point where we go to the same countries year after year with like one surprise per season so I think this is going to be a much more travel focused season that we're getting very little mention of it but I do really get and I wouldn't say similar just to go off in a bit of a tangent but like talking about survivor Australia because I just watched more emphasis on the traveling getting around on this show I really feel like if you are trying to describe the amazing race to someone who has never seen garrity the franchise you're definitely going to lean more heavily on those aspects of it I think us has gotten a little more lazy about that for a variety of reasons or it's like oh we're dude orange which we've had like a million of those teams I've us we had like two teams like that back back back seasons and I still don't remember like which ones just because they're trying to think of it from the point of view of somebody who isn't as familiar and isn't necessarily a superfan how do we make superfan out of that person let's make sure we answer I'll also to that was it's interesting too I mentioned about that Sam I think it was a little it wasn't more recent but he also had had some serious injuries to but that right right now and I've been watching it for one hundred years and they're still not done yet and basically that has a real old school feeling not like season one but that feels almost like a for act even on Canada but especially on the US they're gonNA push more the idea of you are traveling and the fact that they're going those countries in Africa and Asia and such maybe there's going to be as were it's like you have Olympia NHS or or players that don't know each other well it sometimes can be good and sometimes not here it seems like they do have the eclipse we're seeing and the way the teams are and everything and this feels a little more like we're going to reintroduce everyone of the amazing race here in Australia by just the show that's going to be what they're gonNA have the most questions about so it does make sense that if you're trying to go back basics and you're trying to bring people into the fold that have no familiar dave arenas I wonder if for teams that I like that I'm pulling for and have a good story so I'm picking them mother and daughter Rohan Ahmadi questions upfront exactly I think it's going to be Super Fun and I'm really just stalling because I'm still not sure which team I wanNA pick next so I guess I guess I should actually died picking a team that was very young and has siblings because I think siblings always do early well I just I can't I don't know I don't WanNa pick no offense better people they will have grown closer and learned a lot about themselves in the process now whether that is a three episode journey or a ten episode journey that remains to be seen and I think you could probably outline what I'm about to say as far as their week this isn't strengths but I think the I think the strength on this team is definitely got the most potential for the biggest growth arc I think we go in and we see them they are one way when they come in they are going to be a different way when they come out and they're going to be no we can get to football players let's put together apparently guides have been best mates for six years which I'm reading right so I think this at least as a not going to be a case Woah who is a beast she owns three gyms she is a personal trainer she is a single mother she is she's a rock she's so tough and she's into this now and I mean there's about three or four teams that I know I'm not GonNa pick I mean I have done the math but I mean on this route that I'm not GonNa pick right now you know the question mark here is a money who's very very young she's eighteen years old she says she's a picky ear and she has shown in two separate for that team we'll see them later but you know I really like the mother daughter team I really like Rohan Ahmadi I think I want to root for that team she seems like she's so calm like she's got this presents to her that it just radiates like unflappability and I think she's GonNa do amazing then I narrow it down and I I can almost in my head hear your response about what the negatives are about these teams before even say who they are yup because it's really if you look at everyone left you can sue compel poke holes in why they're not going to do well for each one and so it's like is more than likely it could be this one yeah for sure and that's where I kind of I picked them but I hesitate I should note though very importantly Thomas incredibly cheap it clips crying because she cannot finish a challenge and that to me says she's going to have a lot of emotional turmoil and that could spell doom for so to me this is a pick of I wanNA root for this team I don't know how well they're going to do but I feel like I wanna pick them because I don't want to it's very young but you do have one of the two though who I feel like is going to you need someone on the team to take charge I mean if you have his team yeah I think so because that's I mean I like their relationship and I I also think parent-child relationships are always interesting on the show if enough issues another one that that could be a challenge so one thing though Amati does mention she has bungee jumped gone Whitewater rafting all that hasn't been a part of the show for a really long time and amazing race Canada I think it was like one day when they ran up huge taxi bill but it's it on the board okay noted with his third pick came Heaton Select Roy and Imani and Dan I'm with you on this this is a team that tribal whispering at People's here's just going crazy there's all these subtitles of okay so do I thought about pinger skydiving without a big problem even if they're not into it but also too I just again like the idea that they're coming in saying we want to challenge both stereotypes and muzzle women's stereotypes and I wanNA root for them and they seem also like you mention Roya Donald leased superstrong but also as a business owner who's done so well and I just looked at them and I think yes they're probably not going to win you know I confidence and also will be like yeah we're here we're going to do this there's not gonna be that well we're going to do this because we're awesome and of course there are skills that you can take from just about anything you do and apply them to the amazing race in the right circumstances alright well jess doesn't seem to have an issue with like adrenaline challenges and things like that of course I don't know I sometimes don't want to oversell that on either end because people usually end up bachelor fashion degree which you would think what does that have to do with anything but if you've watched the amazing race Canada especially that attention to detail and sometimes even matching fashion well but I think they seem like they are extremely physically fit they you know they know each other very well awesome things you never know craziness can happen yeah you've had to make shirt on this show before so it it could happen and I think it's it's all interconnected it's hard to pick so you know you don't remember to do I was about to say something and then I changed my mind completely this is great podcast this this is like this is like a life and especially in this case where the mom is still fairly young which I think you know I say fairly young she's younger than I wasn't here but survivor standards that feels like how the show was in like season fifteen or something it's the way they treat advantages and things like that so I look at even some of the tasks they're doing here with to Alpha's that can be a problem if you don't so I think there could be a situation where if a mighty can kind of get through some of those breakdowns we see or dealing with what they're eating abilities so give them points for that I think being a psychiatric nurse is a really tough job I think you have to have a lot of mental fortitude the US seasons where I think they might have been doctors. I'm trying to remember that that I've picked a win that season and they were just so terrible dude to cope with a high stress environment like that and I think that could be something very useful I think the medical profession apart from the doctors that you mentioned Dan is that track here I think they seem to be very well prepared I liked they noted that the did a lot of training to prepare for the I think I should also mention that role runs a kids Jim had a cross stitch am and basically gym for ladies that's how she are GonNa Finish first because we're the best I don't really see that for this team so that's a good thing yes yeah I think it's Anything else we want to note about them no no really they could but probably not but if they somehow got to fifth place for fourth place or something I would be really pop to be rooting for them and have picked them yet they gather a lot of complex ideas spotting details these are all things that you have to do on the amazing race so I feel like maybe it's like the world is your escape room when you go on the show they hit the gym really hard and then they did a lot of escape rooms for the show which I thought was an interesting tactic that I'm surprised more people don't do I I mean I out with my next pick I'm going to take the last team off the board that I think just looks like a powerhouse team and I think you could tell me what I'm going to say about this team has increase so I liked that about them and now we can talk about the big downside to these two we have to talk about the was I think well late earlier so they don't totally connect but one thing about this we will I just has we have athletes are like this guys don't know each other very well or the teams don't Oh clip in which they are shown not having any idea how to use a compass yes there there's a scene with multiple teams oh I think they bring something interesting to the table so give me any nick the Psych- psychiatric nurses and Personal Trainers and best mates from Sydney okay cool yeah as long as they don't have to swim that's that's the problem for them yeah that's what they say well that's a that's a unique problem I think among this group they they don't really say anything about dementia related note one of the mentioned who was an article or something that they applied just kind of on a bit of randomness is how they described it and I don't want to over up that we saw thirty seconds sarcastic Ito you don't think of music as being sarcastic and that was definitely sarcastic Yes for sure anything else oh really focuses on the travel if you can't read a compass I don't know we'll see you I suspect they might have directional issues I also wanted to give props in twenty one I want to say where the twins yeah it was the season when they had to dig in the sand was that season yeah was that twenty one okay Blake Kurt Clark would be a great amazing race partner just because that escape room thing is all about solving the problem in front of you and put Dan they Ronald personal training business along what is the deal everyone's be at first traders but also with being nurses and I think they also to amazing race Australia they amazing grace. US Dodo music is so like hokey and Twangy and amazing race Australia uses vivaldi's four seasons for their I did sounds a little weird for me to say ladies later no I just think there's no we don't know that much more about them I should mention monies stuttering studying the they have some Lucian Amelia upside don't they yeah actually it was going to mention almost to a team that I think if they get through the first leg or two is going to get some there with a team that I think are really super fans I don't know how much it matters if they've watched the show or not it's just something interesting that I noted is if the show on these guys I think I think I'm good yeah good I I think I'll have to see how they do out on the course I mean that direction could be a fluke or they could be they could oh bad and not that means this is the same but they just and also to these guys like you said they they've known each other since they were kids they're such a such a Dan team I kind of feel bad taking them off the board but this is the team I have flagged as Heaton Bait and I'm just going to take them Ross it was really rough it was twenty one or twenty two I might have been twenty two because I don't think they were on the season with the twenties but anyway we're getting very I will say I have sometimes forget that but but yeah Monte eighteen I think this is a case it's a bit different though then there's another team where two people are I mean they would have been one of my next to but I wasn't really that tempted to pick them earlier but they they definitely are type a team that always seems to end up on down and I see a lot of teams that could be very surprising here and I think I got to go with the next team I had in my rankings I feel like I'm not even sure what that is on their shirt but it's hilarious and I think they they seem like their scrappy they zinc one statement but when you see you have limited information you kind of go onto things and I go I wonder how much they've watched the show now granted as we'll talk about later involving a possibly involving a camel and there's someone says can use the compass and then he says what's north and of course that's used in the club I should the music it's a tie class what can I say af it's not just play that same like trumpet music but they always Dan They really seem like they have that kind of big sister little sister dynamic they seem very goofy they are wearing the craziest shirts have I mean they're picture is them like holding up their arms like yes and I don't think at least the big looking at I think they're going to be really fun for the show it's kind of small but they seem like they've done a lot of interesting things they have traveled a lot so I think they strike me as the team of the just to be diabolical like that so give me the sisters give me Haley and Michaela who is going to be the team but you know I okay so I get another pick right yes unfortunately unfortunately all right well because now we're starting to removing down the list we're at the we're past the halfway point play that don't don't do it sounds like elephants march out plays this is this is different yeah good job already a near is she thinks the biggest challenge she's going to need to overcome because this is just a funny mental picture she says I have a fear of escalators and snakes if there are snakes on an s because if they were wearing just like you know your typical amazing race likes Ike you know somebody's wearing a blue shirt like that shirt but blue or red that are left that is most likely to make a deeper run than we initially might have given them credit for yeah I agree and it's actually one of the the shirts are really distracting I team and we'll see you know they they are very competitive board games that's a big part of their videos that we've seen they have they really remind me of learning bowl and a very fun team and have a good relationship and to physically there like tall strong people that will both likely either one to great on physical so have some Andrew upside which would be very entertaining that's the they even that clip I'm like these guys are going to be fun to watch I I'm excited to see them on my screen all right they're one of those teams that I feel like has the most I don't know why it seems like they could do so differently and they will really remind me there is team on one live they actually might be like jackets that you like so they might we might rarely see them it's just such an odd look for like the main picture that we're seeing I duNno I guess is supposed to show that they're kind of goofy I don't know Zany yeah it's it's hard to tell I also also what I call out what Haley later that would be my worst nightmare and you can't argue with that that's kind of scary I'd have to call Samuel L. Jackson for that one I love it when we get they get to like never I would be like they look really athletic I think they're going to do well something about that church shirts made me look at it and go there the first one out and it's not fair it's just not go out I always say like that but it's like it's like the mother and son undertaker's that showed up in pantsuits and it's like if you just weren't shorts you would have been fine right with the word that I went out and I'm not saying I don't think he'll eat Michaela will be the first one out actually I'm not even sure they're going to be wearing the shirts on the show I think if I just be for short now you're going to the mall sponsored by who knows in Australia and then he gets to the ball and it's like you must traverse this escalator which is covered by hundreds snakes hold out like maybe they just had this snake escalator and they needed the perfect team to inflicted on and this is why that's why they have been picked it because I generally think that sibling teams do very well because as we've seen I'm thinking of like Taylor in court they can even when they're fighting stressed or whatever they just Kinda plow through it and one thing that's good about this team as they have done a decent amount of traveling not all of it together Kayla has has a disease where you know she has to only eat gluten free food which normally Utah you know that there's there's plenty out there me or even Lawrence Joanne last season they don't always win but they have kind of this slide laid back most of the time attitude where real challenge it's almost like I feel sympathetic just like there's enough stress that enough things to be considered Wendy running the race after that too I mean it's not impossible just an extra step there that that they'll have to cover I should also mention that I'll their pharmacist and a veterinarian are their occupations and they talk about that's but I'm going to go with the other sibling team which they are very young I have a really young team actually now that I look at it does your sibling teams about some that was a crab but if you think about in the last season of the US they had to do some fishing of some unique marine life from a pool so you never know yes indeed. They excelled in sports academics and crab fishing so they've got the whole package shares is that is that a crab on their shirts I think it's a crab I think we've I think we we've solved it with cracked crab fishing so they were assured about a crab hey there's been crab fishing challenges on the amazing race before yeah I mean Dan team ever you know what's really good though is that there was a team I almost back last time that's still here and it's like fantasy football like I am so smart that I did not I've got a Lotta and Nico who is a team that of all the teams maybe we haven't gotten all the info yet about them because the we're recording this to her that like makes or breaks the race it's more about just think about like traveling on planes and traveling around and having to always I don't know that just sounds like on Thursday evening is very Monday but it seems like we're still getting info released from us because just the way this whole production was set up beforehand but on a show like the race where you're traveling all around and they might have eating challenges and such I mean I don't know how severe it is you know there might but still that could be something that's on the show that could impact them and somewhat yeah I mean Sealy X. Joke that could be that could be problematic especially if you're somewhere where you don't actually know didn't know the premier date until like a few weeks ago so we don't have that much info at all the teams but I will do my best here they are the Gen Z. Siblings from generation they've been to a lot of different countries so this is not a case where you have this is the team brought in to be the fish out of water team that have never left Australia or something if done a lot of trust Oh what is in your food and you can easily check that I think it it could be something to track and I could see why she's concerned about it yeah so it's I don't think this is that as something family they're just kind of an unknown to me I feel like a young team of siblings that seemed nice and have a good relationship sure I'll try them at this point but I can't tell you that shouldn't Z.. In their brothers sister twenty one and nineteen now twenty one thousand nine hundred zero my gosh this has got to be fun right Dan you're up okay sorry I was just writing down that now you have those crossing them off by by very sad because the most anyone that cops to using packing cubes is a woman after my own heart I'm a big fan of the pack and Cube and I think that anyone nose to use that as unlocked some of the secrets of travel so they do have that going for them which is nice but yeah down to your point they are so young they really look younger than they are and I think they just radiate this kind of aura of inexperienced that I think could be happened the other things beyond the fact that a lot of good packer I don't know if that's enough to help me out here my that was something that I noted because problematic for them yeah I mean we've kind of reached the point with all of the teams where either you can look at them and say wow they're really young or well they're so young they look twelve like looking at this and unlike these these are children how are how are they even old enough to be cast on the show they sorry to say there are there are a little older or other reasons it's really hard to kind of go which one because you know I'm including the team the next pick I make is my last so then you'll have two of the remaining three and then we'll have one team that will distribute off into the sunset that team got eliminated and Gretchen out there there are teams they were older than this team so I look at this team and I say we've got a farmer and a firefighter we have the first Kalihi travels around and like shears Alpaca and played Aussie rules football so you know this starting live he mike bloom team Mike Bloom so I'm kind of talking now are we don't really have anything else to say about a lot of Nico unless you do I was GonNa move on I at the time female firefighter in South Australia in Adrian we have a guy who goes around basis could go out I they really could there's a video of him not being able to get on a camel in the trailer that is very funny that is being used a lot he has food issues yes it's it's going to be okay so I I'm tempted to pick the other team siblings but again my team is so seeing the people commenting in the facebook page being concerned for the camel that may have that may have initially made you feel like they don't have is pick just right here now you have one more pick well I have a lot of Niko but then I have you have them now like Oh yeah four teams you have one more team yeah I have one more but I'm saying traveled but I think they have a lot of life experience behind them that will translate well into the show so I don't think it's the worst choice and I think you do major in I think it's a fine pig and I think they are stronger than they look I like watching Chris fall off a camel fifty nine times and give up easily and you need that to be on this show I think they're ready to see the world I don't think they've necessarily been particularly you know I also like the fact that they've just done a lot and he does mentioned in the bio that he's he didn't mention personally but mentions that want to try to figure out my last pick I think we just have to make another tally mark indie people with food issues call him oh boy that one challenge is going to be like penalty got to offer but like you said they're very athletic and I think they're coming into this with the right spirit I think they're going to be incredibly tenacious tough they're not going to like going against my own instincts which either means I will do much better or even worse I feel like I feel like you're playing that game in the princess bride our Franklin amy being the best example from the past we've packed but okay okay who's it gonna be how could I distinguish from the remains because this is my last author doing he's been they've been around and I'm just excited to watch be out there so let's see what happens you know I feel like I haven't done great on some of these drafts so now I'm kind of just he traveled to South America Asia and Europe with her so granted who knows what that means but it means they haven't spent the whole time like on the farm or oh I do think they're not going out I actually but I'm GonNa go with the oldest team on the show I'm GonNa go with Chris Adrian here all right yeah which is yeah I I'm not mad at I think I think they do have some meredith and Gretchen upside to them eventually yeah and it's one of those situations where they could be totally overmatched but be smitten by a bolt of lightning but I'm going with Vivid Joey I'm leaving the nuns on the table all those nuns are on the run they are so short and I think that might be the only actual weakness they have is that they're very small people and they are actually at one point the show apparently plays this for laughs by showing them missing a clue because it's above their sight line which is kind of mean spirited if you want to know my opinion bus in a land war in Asia Oh boy all right we'll see now I have no no pressure I'm John Yes so now I'm just curious I mean you've so you've got either siblings Vivian Joey or judy and Theresa the nuns and you know Dan I waiting oh you are both Wesley and visine there both poison de they're both poisoned interoperable it's all a trap never get the city never quit it's going to be the meat block but it's GonNa turn out the actual challenges just like eat this tiny play vegetables and then nobody will be able to do it because everybody and I I feel like I I gotta take this confession now but I'm Vivian Joey I think the only reason we left them on the table is just because along very well they seem like for being a small as they are they seem like they're in very good shape they're young they're smart I don't know there's a lot of downside tooth very good point that for every team that goes out I that's in this demographic there's a team that goes much further than you would expect so I like a shot I just want to pick so let me pick the fifty eight fifty nine year old team of the farmer and firefighter Chris throws kind of struggling with because I almost picked them on my last pack actually on my last several picks and I was I almost feel bad because also with each other and by themselves and they come from a pretty a pretty strong family group so they're getting they know each other very well they get along suspects a Lotta Nico and their remaining teams you know one of these teams it's gotta be like the final five Oh yeah possibly four it's like but you look at it and go we not a great idea but every once in a while there is a team that is older that you might look at it and say oh they really going to do that great that does well there is a mayor I think that that could go one of two ways I think a lot of times amazing race likes to paint people are super fans and then have them do poorly but also just a lot of people that just there's a lot of interesting things so their story they even mentioned that their parents refugees from Vietnam and I feel like we're going to get they knew their way around a reality show so it could go either way I think it's I think it's probably a strength in this case and I think if they've been talking about it since they were kids they've probably he's an amazing race Australia up to this point and I know this is the first time we've ever done a podcast together about amazing race Australia but they have always done an amazing job casting because I think for years we said there's a curse of the Superfan if you see somebody on TV that has shown themselves to be really super into the show they end up going out very early I'm thinking Denison Isabelle pink apart from this joey is the opposite of all the people that say they have food issues he says he's an adventurous eater they have traveled quite a bit with themselves find a way to watch it it's incredible I would say I I was doing this math recently down and this is probably a sad thing to admit but at this point is there shorter that somehow and you know he's Fatu but somehow that should automatically mean they're not going to do well and they're super fans I mean I don't want to not pick them because you know we've seen people that were like will you can look at Charleston Mironov for example I mean it's not not a case where because and a lot of scenarios in their head and so they won't be surprised by anything yeah I hope not you know it's funny because there are some seasons where there's like three teams i WanNa root for I think that they've got a lot going on that says to me they're prepared like they they said it's their childhood dream to be

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Amazing Race: Australia | Series Overview RHAP-Up

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Amazing Race: Australia | Series Overview RHAP-Up

"It day podcast friends and welcome to reality. Tv rahat ups. My name is jessica lease. And i've got some really super extra special coverage for you. That's right by popular demand. We are going to be spending a little bit of time today talking about the amazing race australia. It's the only amazing race that we may get for a very good long while. And i know that we're all starved for anything amazing race even if we did just wrap. Us version we need more and boy did they bring more. This is the most unique amazing race. Experience that i have seen in quite a while. And i'm very excited to talk about all the ups and downs of the first two weeks of this experience so far and of course. I can't do this all on my own so i brought with me one of my favorite amazing race experts. You know him from the amazing race. Canada podcast as well as his own very excellent tomorrow society. Podcast please welcome to the stage. A man who could eat forty dry we fix and nineteen break sweat. Mr dan heaton. Hello jess i am excited. I feel like. I've been just living the amazing race. With so many episodes so many teams. And so many tasks it's like it's overload. I don't know what to think of it. It's like we always ask for a little bit more and amazing race. Australia is like what you say more. Okay here's more and it's it's a lot. It's a lot of course dan. I really feel like the two of us could have a great time talking about this. There would be something missing and we would be rightly called to the carpet for not having an actual australian to break down in australian television program. And so we have. We have brought one with us and so all the way from sydney australia and you know her from many awesome guest spots on various podcasts throughout the universe and most recently i believe she is recapping bridgeton for the post show recaps patrons a number of the class of twenty twenty. Is sarah kerrigan. Oh good good afternoon. Gay as i should say full. I don't say but a lot of people say. Thanks very much guys. i. I'd like to start by acknowledging that i live and work in the place. We now call sydney australia. The original custodians of this land garrigo people of the nation and i acknowledge the elders past present and emerging and further acknowledged that. This land was never seated. Okay sarah and i. I really love this. I love this expression. I love this acknowledgement and it does call to mind the warning that comes up or the the message that comes up at the beginning of every episode of race australia so i think there must be a cultural push now to be acknowledging these lands and their original occupants is that correct. Can you tell us a little bit more about that. That's right and i was very pleased to see and it's absolutely right that the acknowledgement of country comes up on a text at the beginning of every episode. And if you just wanted a quick break down what is is the welcome to country which you'll see in many of the episodes so a person whose country you are on the one part of the original custodians it may be an elder will. Welcome you to their country. And for those of us. Who who i was going to say don't belong a for those of us who are on other people's country we do and acknowledgement of country to say. I know i'm on your country. I acknowledged that it's yours and particularly now we also say seeded because the lens were not seated. But it's i find that very joyful and and happy thing to do. And i'm really happy to do it and what i love. I'm sure we'll get into it in many of the episodes that we've seen so far you'll see a welcome to country and that means someone who is originated on maitland will welcome the people to the land and they say you are safe. You are safe in my country and please enjoy yourselves. That's that's a really beautiful. And i really. I appreciate having more of the background on that and it has been. I feel like. I have learned so much about australia. Even though i've seen for other seasons of amazing race australia very unique experiment for several reasons that i think we might as well kick off our discussion by talking about some of the ways that this is a different series from the other series that have aired so far and i want to tell all the all the listeners up front that we are probably going to discuss plot points. That have happened up through season. Six season six episode six up through episodes six. And then we're going to speculate on some things we've heard about episode seven However we're not going to give you an episode by episode breakdown because we would be here. It is one pm sydney and nine pm in new york. And we would be here until it. Is you know nine pm in sydney. And whatever got awful time it is in new york at that point. So we're not gonna do that but we are going to try to give you a little overview of the season so far and talk a little bit about the overarching themes and differences. That we've noticed so start that off. I want to talk about logistics. The filming of this season of the season and the decision to keep the race in australia as we as we know. There's not a lot of travel going on. Which is kind of suicide for travel show but it's not unprecedented. Either as dan. And i have been covering for many many years now actual years the amazing race canada. It is a franchise that has done this kind of hyper local race situation and dan. i wondered how does this compare so far. You know in some ways similar but it to me it feels very different and it might just be because we've watched enough amazing grace candidacies and said i'm kinda used to how they kind of run that show and this feels different to me just because to like. They've spent so much time in a fairly small area the so far. They've all the first six episodes of bit in queensland and they've they've they've moved along they've gone to different places within that they've gone to islands. Even the rain forest is where they started but everything seems really local. And i don't mean that negative way but there's even been tasks where like the the walking around with the with the outhouse. The toilets i apologize. I forgot the exact name but that was so much fun. And you have all the local sitting out and cheering them on our there dancing on the beach. There just seems to be so much interaction with people in each area you know. They're going and serving drinks people. That aren't even involved with the show. So there's a lot of things like that. And i think that makes them feel different. Were amazing race. Canada especially the most recent time when they stayed in the country felt a little more like well. It's kind of like normal amazing grace but it's in canada. Were this like something kind of different where it's like. They're having to do all kinds of things but it also there's a little bit of fun to it which it doesn't feel stilted baby as sometimes it can be if you don't travel much. I'm glad that you like it down. Because that was something i i noticed. I found really delightful was the involvement of the law calls where the to get a free beer from someone who's delivering it incorrectly or there was a whole group of people pointing at a at a clue that People at missed. I that actually really delightful. Yeah it's an interesting pivot. I think they original point of amazing race. Canada was to say canadians. Travel all over the world. But most of them don't know what's in their own country and let's showcase it in a way like make it amazing race but make it you know. Put the whole world in canada and here. This is very much. It feels like it's by australians or australians. It's like we're stuck at home. So let's just celebrate at home. yeah. I totally agree. I totally agree because a- give you see like the restaurants with the big twelve dollars lunch signs. I mean everything just feel so local and i don't be that as negative. I'm not trying to say. Oh it's just like if you had one in your own city. They're traveling but they're able to take some time and go to a lot of kind of different places in each area and spotlight the areas which to me. Who has never been to australia. It's really fun. I think one of the things. I thought i would miss. Prior to to seeing it was the wonderful language. Barriers and problems of traveling overseas the unfamiliarity with public transport in seoul. Or wherever you might be unfamiliarity with the with the money and so on. So i thought. Oh i'm gonna miss that. But the replacement of the locals begging for help on the street as some of them do and and i think to judges that are actually judging. The tasks rather than being given the nod by production. I think almost all fully makes up for that. Yeah it is it mix. It makes me want to travel to it even if it doesn't feel like it would be a vacation. It feels like you'd be visiting friends almost. It's a subtle distinction. I think but it important one but sarah. What are the things. I really wanted to hear about We of course here in the states and so this is probably review for the for our australian listeners. But here in the states we've had a lot of different experiences With regard to the covid pandemic and how tv shows have gotten made despite the despite the various lockdowns and state regulations and how much people are allowed to go out and quarantine in whatnot. But no i know that one of the reasons that we have only seen you know we've seen six entire legs in one state. It also varies from state to state in australia. So i wonder if you could speak to a little bit to what has what has the covid pandemic been like in australia. And how did that inform how they had to film the series. Well that's a big question. Let me just start by saying that. In sydney in new south wales. We've been very lucky. We've had some mask mandates and we're pretty obedient here for a group of rowdy rebels and scalawags actually quite obedient so our counts have been fairly low. We have a smaller population. But even by percentage of population some states have had a hard lockdown and have had a much harder time than us victoria in particular had i restriction of a five kilometer radius. Faw going out for a really long time. We had here in sydney. We obviously restaurants were closed and various things but we have the beaches. We have the see a lot of places outside that we could still go west australia. Which is the in the west of the country. Great big state on the left hand side is still the borders closed. I think you can get through with a permit. Which is why i believe. The amazing race went to western australia and tasmania. Which is the little island down. The bottom of australia has had heart borders as well. It's very interesting. Because i knew i knew ustralia had different states. Of course i did. But i never thought about that. Idea of crossing borders the way you think about it from the nineteen forties in europe. You know trying to get over borders. Spies passports trains and various things because we've travelled very freely but with covered and orders being closed queensland was closed for a while with permits. It's been an interesting way to think about the country. Production has done really well. They filmed in october november when the numbers were looking fairly good and i did notice that they were wearing amazing race. Musk's at one of the airports and i thought. Oh i want one of those but on the other hand who. I'm sure we might have wanted things to say about his very huggy man. He have a lot of people Including a wonderful olympic swimmer see bomb gave her a wedding hung on the match. And i thought a but perhaps it's his nature so there's not really finish amounts of you. I think we've kind of slightly pleased with ourselves that we've done well. We could have done better. We had a very early huge problem with a cruise ship that came in and people were allowed to disembark and from sydney i went to almost all the other states and took covered with them. And this was. This was why i think there was a instant and quite hard reaction because we saw it spreading so quickly and restrictions came in seemingly overnight and they were quite severe but it has had a good effect. I think but i'd also like nobody asked for this. Like nobody in the world asked for this so people are just doing their best except about hugging people except for. Bobo could probably use some work. And i i like especially how it feels like. This season has tried to turn a lemon into lemonade. In a lot of great ways or i don't know it tried to turn. It's a weird vegetable matter individual. I don't know what the trillion equivalent that is. Maybe just have lemonade. And they're treating this almost as like an experimental lab because this is a wildly different experience amazing race wise at least as far as the english language. Amazing race adaptations go. And we'll get to that. I think but dan. I think we're going to start with the actual scope and size of this. We're getting three episodes a week and there are twenty four legs of the amazing race for the season. How are you taking that how do you. How do you like it so far. You know it's interesting. I mean it was a bit of a scramble to watch everything in time and the episodes are longer to a lot of without commercials or anything or like an hour and eight minutes except for the last few so the thing is i've noticed this 'cause i've watched a lot of australians survivor and even last season they kinda did a similar thing with the first season with bow but this season does bill very different than that season which that season felt a little bit like amazing race around the world. Light like it was they. Were doing a lot of the hits. This time i kinda like it because again you do kind of the think tanks when you watch your show and you're like what did they had this weird twist. Or what did they did this kind of crazy and because they have so much time they're just going to trial kinds of str- and the tasks i mean some of the things we're gonna talk about the devices. I mean bringing a team back got eliminated. The penalties are weird. There's a lot of weird stuff. But i feel like because it's so long and because it's so different i don't feel like it's as bad in a way because i'm like well. This is kind of like you said like a science experiment. It's like let's just try a lot of different stuff. Let's see what happens. And plus we have a lot of fun teams. So i'm okay so many time with most of these teams for a long time. It's almost like You know there's always that one guy on read it. Who will post like. I have an idea for a twist. And then he posts like a fifteen hundred word essay explaining the most byzantine complicated thing. That will never play on television. I feel like maybe amazing race. Australia was reading now. Like hey higher that guy. He's got ideas. There's certainly some wild things that that happen but as you said because the episodes are long you think about the time you've reacted to that. There's something else coming down the line to react to so it is a little bit of a not so much roller coaster tinny going up a river and seeing various different things on either side. All right stopdown sir. What's it tina to well. This is the very first thing that they do have a choice of each row boat. And they either i m. I either run down the sand. Which i don't know if anyone stunt sand running it's actually it's it is hard or they able to jump into a tinny and attorney any small boat with an outboard motor right. Yeah and one of the things. I know you really excited to be on here so you could. You could stop down and help us explain some of these things and i don't think it doesn't feel like i'm watching the show in a foreign language to be honest and i have watched amazing race in languages. I do not speak so. Maybe i'm just attuned to that. But i've sarah. This is not unusual for australian reality tv. Am i right you you. People like to watch three episodes a week for two months. Do we like to watch or are we required to watch it. They keep doing it to use. He must not hayes it. Well i guess oh look something about watching our own reality shows that we like doing dissecting them and talking about them and you know seeing representation sri nights a week. It is a commitment. If you love the show you'll want to watch it. That's what they that's what they counting on anyway. I will say that doing it this way especially for like doing a podcast is. It's almost like binge watching a show where i feel like if we just watched like two episodes or we watch these six but we watched him at six weeks. I'd thinking about what happened in week. Two or one or three were now mike. It's all just kinda roped together in one. Big all the stuff that i watched in the past six days or something. So it's it's fresh in the brain where it would be harder for me to remember like what if we were by weeks from now. It's almost like we watched to two very very long. Like four and a half hour episodes. Basically yes i mean. I think i did that with survivor. As well that the groupings of themes will most within a week within your three episodes of a week. They are like a long arc. And i think that the editors have to be given really good credit for that so something that begins as a as a nod or a handshake in one episode. Three episodes later sharing a taxi. So you can. They're doing those a mini narrative threads. Throw out as i understand. The number of episodes both with survivor and with this is probably to do with the advertisers baldly. The money's going to come from somewhere. That makes a lot of sense and i will. I will say that it's not totally unprecedented. I'm going to look up the exact number but I have seen some of the israeli version of the amazing race and they also tend to spend a lot of time in one place And they will mostly they will divide up the legs into several episodes so you see like many many many many more minutes of the exact same leg of so. It's basically three three episodes to a leg and they average around thirty four thirty five episodes in a season so it's not unprecedented now this many episodes but it is again. It's a commitment. That really is a commitment. I mean so. What do you both of you think of the teams because i feel like the seasons of australian survivor that i've enjoyed the most or the ones where i like people about the ones that have felt like. Oh my gosh. Have been the few where i felt like. They weren't as interesting. So i feel like this is gonna work or not work based on the teams that we have and whether we like or somehow just flat because they're crazy but So what do you think of the tapes. You like them do you Like the overall group pretty well now. First of all twenty eight people is too many to keep track of this I have a figure of thirty thousand as the number of people who auditioned. Oh i thought you were gonna say the number of people who are on the show bert much. I didn't many i mean. Wikipedia says that who knows. But let's say that it was thirty thousand. That's a lot of people. Were down to twenty eight. It took me a while to distinguish some of them from each other. But i immediately had my favorites and they've stayed true. The ones that haven't been eliminated have stayed through through six lakes. Who got sarah cica. Oh yeah come over here on the come over here and sit with me. Because they're my favorite. I love them so much. I love them so much. Et cetera is for those of you who listening to us rather than watching the show first of all. What are you doing on watch it. That's who aren't cifer is from tana. He is a personal china and the his best friend is jessica who was born in western samoa and came to australia when she was fourteen like many of us she from somewhere else a lot of australians of from somewhere else which goes back to the acknowledgement. And the welcome. And they i. I can't get enough of them. I absolutely can't get enough of them. The very because i re watched i noticed that one of the very first confessionals and it might have been the first was jessica and cephus. I think the show loves them as well. Jessica was worried about her fitness before she came on the race but she was the one that said. Let's do the sand running because the tinny the little boat is deceiving so she's really smart 'cause she looked at the two things and she thought getting into a bunch and being driven to your cars or a kilometer on sand. It seems like the boat would be easier. But that's not going to be the case. And in fact she was right because all the people who did the sandra got to the to task i and so right from the start. We see her strategic mind and her thinking a quarterback from anything else. She's absolutely hilarious. And she a barrel of delore. Who will who into jessica. What you like about them. Well apart from you know you have to stand a team. That's gotta jessica on it. I think you have covered it. I think my very favorite recurring theme so far has been the rivalries between holly into lor and jess and also to some extent the mums earlier but was like a pass the torch when they got eliminated and just just picked it up and ran with an every time. They're on camera with lor. She has dunking on him viciously. And it's so glorious and also he won't learn. He was admiring his partner. Holly doing insurance task and he said oh holly holy has more has more endurance than i do. And she jessica jess says deadpanning. Every woman does don't keep setting her up to law. He doesn't see her as a threat and he doesn't see her as his equal and so he continually just walked straight into her wonderful wit and scorn and for television. It absolutely is. I want them to be onscreen together for a very long time. And i think yeah we do have to talk about holly and delayed. Because i think this is a team. We have seen many many times on the show in the past and we've even seen them on amazing race australia. I've gotten got that vibe last year from the social media influencers and it's just like they they present as these like very intense hyper competitive people that argue with each other all the time. And you know they're gonna do whatever it takes. And then the thing that i find the most intriguing about holly and delore is. They're not actually very good at racing. And so i have to wonder. Can you be ineffective villain. If you're not that good at the race they had the mildest of villains is what i wrote down just the mildest of villains one. One thing. that's very hard to do. So holly underlaw slid into each other's. Dm's five years ago. She's a lawyer. He's related to the nigerian royal family. And well i think one of his one of his cousins emailed me the other day business proposition for me get right on the thing about holy does want the surprise proposal in las vegas in front of the fountains. Such a law certainly knows what's expected of him. My prob lem problem. What is list enjoyable about them than our influences. From from the last days. And who. I just love our brilliant. And then they will host by their own petard of being penalized for breaking the rules which they thought they could the problem with holly and dolores. They don't like each other and so that makes it. I can't quite while. I relish law being dragged right in center and as we see legs. Go on now everybody. Everybody's in on the act. Holy into laura's pair just don't have that enjoyable factor that villains last season did because they actually don't like each other and and that's hard to watch dan. What do you think well they to me though. It's so interesting because one of my favorite moments of the whole season though is dolores before the synchronized swimming where delores like so thinking that somehow you can swim in like two feet of water doesn't and of course she's and then blames her which is not good but him. he's like a cartoon character but in a way not as fun as song cartoon characters. But i feel like she actually. She has her moments. Which is how i like the nice things or whatever but she's actually fairly decent racer for the most part and fairly smart and he is just like a disaster. I mean he's ridiculous and of course also to they brought a massager law on the trend and there's this one moment where Where one team were shamed which talk about a bit. It's removed be medically. And they cut her massaging his back or something. And the editors are dunking on them like all their stuff about them not understanding why they got you turned and then talking bad about the other teams. I mean there's just so much hot. Ted but i agree. I don't think they're gonna last that much longer. Actually i think the editors like we're going to get every minute out of this team. But i love the jessica. One of the things i love the most to is just not only her making fun of him but just her looking at she has. These looks that she gives delory. Like what are you get to us. Can't even like laugh like almost like jim halpern to the camera in the office. Just ridiculous but Yeah i don't know. I still enjoy indoor but not because i think they're like a fun likeable team just because like even them getting ridiculous car. Of course that's i mean just everything. I mean this just silly that that would happen ridiculous car. Because he was looking at every day they got two cars. He looked every car to find the automatic. And of course everybody else's just jumping in and driving off and they ended up so it was i in best dressed. I don't know if you guys use that expression you ran and you just jumped into whatever car you could find from this group of 'cause. They ended up with the worst car because he was looking for an automatic because he went on the amazing race jessica without watch learning how to drive a manual. I mean speechless. It's your singularly unprepared. But here's the thing. I think dad's gonna laugh at this a lot because he knows he knows. It's true if we had done a cast draft which it's probably good. We didn't because it would have taken us four hours with all of these people but had we done a draft. Dan knows i would have picked them. First sees it. I think when we drafted too. I did have sit. Nash and these are like to point out. I would've snatched them up off. The board as quickly as dan would pick the the strongest looking young female team that would go out in a blaze of glory and episode. That would have been a good choice. Strong female team this year. Though i would say choice of choirs right yeah. It's not clock right twice a day. I think i think you make a good point. I am now thinking. I would like to see holly race without delay law. I think hollywood the different partner could be really interesting. He's the one that complaints. He's the one that blames everybody else. He is brilliant on a scooter and then he can't drive dirt bike. He can't swim. He screams and she's there she's a little less. I mean she's a little quieter. So i don't know for the tv but Yeah there there's something i will say. As far as best teams. I think teams that are strongest. I would say for me. And i don't mean to switch it up but i would say the super seek seem very strong and then of the rest. I'd say the girl the gold coast girls ashley in amanda those two teams have been the most consisted. Everybody else the cowboys are like a ping pong ball. I mean some of the other teams all over the place. But i don't know what do you think are those teams the teams that are gonna go far. Probably it's it seems like there's a lot of rando teams though it's like. Oh i forgot you were even there like the princess and jail for instance they show up and i'm like oh i guess they're still in his absolutely. I can't get their names. In my head i was i was i was trying because i coming on the podcast. Method should sound professional and what they're called. I don't know what this story is. What six legs in. Now he's a. He's a geek. She's a princess and doesn't seem to heels. Look i'm i'm sure they have a lively relationship. That been sweethearts since they were at high school. But i'm not sure what else. Whereas you look at jessica anurag which just the most beautiful announced to say the super six and you get that complexity. They're already talking right from the start about. We are raised seeks to help and assist other people yet. We're on this race. So i think we often get in reality. Tv people saying look. I wouldn't do this normally. But i wouldn't lie but it's the game for them. It is actually a deep spiritual dilemma for them to not help people. They're certainly very strong. I think it's interesting and we'll talk about the first class pass. Which really did them a dirty. They get a leg off but then have to pick their place out of out of the bag and actually in amanda fabulous from the gulf coast. There's a stereotype of girls from the gulf coast which they fit they also transcend and i just. I'm loving what she memorizing their super. Smart and they're cutting us welcoming in the most positive way so yes i agree. I do like them. We need to talk about shane. Deb well just don't you think We definitely do. I thought they were so strong in the beginning and it was so exciting to see a team that typically and this is something i think is across. The board is true of this cast. You really feel like pretty much. Anybody could win this whole thing. And anybody is poised to do well. And you look at shannon deb and this is a team that if they're cast for amazing race. Us or even amazing race canada. They might win a leg. They might they might be up in front for a little while but they don't they don't seem like competitors and it really up until the point where they went out it really felt like they could go all the way and it was really great to see them hang with everybody else and then the way he went out was just hard to see a tent being cut off the top of someone. You very scary and again we can talk about. The because bo is bo a we have to talk about like blow closing the door on the ambulance and hitting it like it's a cab driving off it's like do you have an ounce of gravitas in your entire body. He he doesn't he he he really doesn't and that was a weird scene overall because they showed him and he was in such bad shape but they didn't wasn't there is no jeff probst to come explain it and be like okay. Here's what's happening and let me interview the doctor. I was like wait. So i know they did that. The roadblock and his knee hurt but he looks like he's like having some serious medical issues. And i mean it was a strange and that's the thing they were dominant for three straight legs and could have won the lake that they lost right before that to the cowboys they got outrun the very last second so they could have won three legs in a row and for him to lose because they did a survivor challenge in the middle of the race and had to do that is just kind of crazy. The way it happened. He did little very much as if he was having some kind of internal medical issue. But i believe it was the he has a bad knee. That's had a couple of operations and having to hang off a whole over the water. I think just obviously inflamed it in or damaged it. In some way and the reason they had to cut the tint off the top of him as he just simply couldn't move but if you look at the medical people around him his name and it didn't seem that they were concerned about harsh all or any other involvement. Well that that's good to know sir as their been any press coverage of this like has have they been. Have they done exit interviews. I haven't seen anything. But i can certainly had a quick low-quality talking so well while we're doing research on the should i mean no. It's not a. It's not an amazing race podcast. If you're not like googling stuff in the background like how many times we have like you can here the typing happening. We can talk about some other people That really caught my. I think obviously the cowboys are a lot of fun and they really do. Remind me of the famous cowboys from. Us amazing race in that they are all over the map as far as how well they do but they still seem to come out on top was the time and then also i think kind of under the radar an. I'm really happy that things have shaken out. the way they have is addressing. Catherine are great there. He is so relentlessly positive. And they're so happy to be there. I really respond to that. And i enjoy watching them and also I want to hear more about kimberly. I don't think they're going to go there this season but i have just recently. I work in the travel industry and we used to go there. We don't anymore. And so i've been reading up on it and it's just seems like an amazing place. I just think they are fantastic. Were sorry to see them go. I i mean we safest nations i but we don't mean first nations out i in the amazing race. I think a tapa before too. Yeah it was great to see them return and either the other races were very good actors or they genuinely pleased to have them to have them back cheerfulness. I like the relationship now they to also pick up but unlike holly into law clearly are extremely good friends very and very close so i hope that that they do well now. Here's something interesting. That i wish i'd known before it was a problem for shane. And he's recovering now. We do you remember that deb. A couple of times says she was recovering from breaking her leg earlier in the year She says after the show went and got another extra because it was feeling funny and it was broken the hallway through the show with a broken leg. So that's awesome. it's awful. That is also the freising lee common on the amazing race. Yeah i have heard multiple racers say exit interviews that turned out. I had stress fractures in my legs from this experience. Or i had an injury that i didn't know about the aggravated. It's kind of shocking. Like how much of a toll this takes on your body look. I'm not surprised that even just watching them monday. The san running. Because i'm a lifesaver at bondi beach and san running is just the absolute worst. It's really really is very hard on you but are recovering and i just thought they were fantastic. Their children told them that they weren't allowed to go out. I and they did considerably better. The men and i think conceivably could have been seen as race winners if it hadn't been for the medical evacuation to come in thinking like you know when i was watching it like if i was gonna say before that leg who are the favorites it would have been them in the sikhs and the gold coast girls and they were right there with them. They might have even been kind of a sentimental favorite to win it all. I did want to mention one team. That got eliminated. Mainly javelin roddy. Roddy is wonderful too. So yes we guy. They have such a good relationship. I was so happy. I wasn't happy to wasn't catherine got eliminated but when they had to take a penalty because they didn't understand how to do the bombs away. Challenge at all and then survived because i thought they were done. And then we've been real solid. I was sad especially because they lost to holly or at the end but really enjoy them. There's so much fun guy. Ever sorry jeeze. I love their relationship and they kept saying over and again. Look just to have to adapt to be smart and not get lost. And then they'd get lost or leave. They'll end up amount nor the fact that they were done in at the end by not being able to swim is just the way it is. I mean the cowboys. Good in the water either. We always think of australians. Being swim as. I'm a swim coach as well so i only teach at alz And there are a lot of people who have had terrible friday in the water and to be carefully taught to swim again to be confident or people who haven't grown up on the beach and having grown up swimming and to adulthood may be migrants or refugees and they want to take part in australian life and those often the people that that i'm teaching in the water and it's it's really rewarding and we have someone who grew up in the philippines not swimming and it's overruled say. Oh you're on the amazing race gonna learn to swim. It's a little bit different from saying you're on the amazing race going getting the menu car. That's a transferable skill whereas swimming is something quite quite different. I was very worried him when he was in the water because i could see him doing what we call climbing the ladder and it's when people Basically panicked and checked out in the water and they make motions with their hands and legs. I'm doing it now. Looks like ladder climbing. I thought he in real trouble but of course they had water safety day to help him. That's the thing let's why if you are not a trained lifeguard. You shouldn't necessarily try to pull someone who's drowning because they will pull you under with them. Correct that's absolutely correct and in fact when you go into the water to bring someone out. Who's panicking swimming towards the more or use the the obey. Which is the inflatable boat. Swim towards the gone aboard. Always turn before you get them and you put your one leg out towards some said. I can't reach you. You're kind of holding a with your foot just a quick tip if anyone does pull you down the way to get out of it as you go down. Push them up and they'll let you they will let you see. We learned something today. The amazing to see my fath- ho and they were on the gulf coast doing the the lifeguard signaling challenge. How accurate was that did they did did they themselves. Well well who knows what to doing. Whoever knows he said. I'll just do this and hopefully she gets it. No no you have to read. The clue pick up on killers. Look else. I have to say one of somebody. I think. It was one of the dancers. Said it's the most challenging challenge and it was a very challenging challenge. It's it's quite tough to signal. Also again were using correct signaling with the flags the break was quite quite big and they partner who was in the. I obey the inflatable risky boat to god between boys or as you call them to collect number flags actually i thought it was a surprisingly challenging challenge and i was really pleased with when they managed to figure it out. Yeah it was weird One of the very small differences between american english australian english was hearing them talking about going out to the boys in the water. And i'm like did they put people out in the water. You a little own. Very young children seems unsafe but now they actually meant what we would call. I'm what you would call and those kind of slightly terrifying to be. Because i do go off the back of wave and they land down on the water behind so it's quite hard to be and you see them holding onto that safety strap so i thought it was quite amazing that they all got through. I thought that was that was challenging challenging amazing that they got through it but they did. I talk a little bit about some of the challenges especially with regard to the the way that penalties are treated. Which completely shocks me. I'm sure that dan had some feelings about this as well You get a thirty minute penalty for quitting a task that is insane to me of having seen. Us amazing race. Give somebody a twenty four hour penalty for quitting a task and amazing race candidate routinely dishing out two hours and four hours. So how do we feel about how they're using penalties and do we think that people are going to start quitting tasks strategically. It's really interesting. Because i think about that first episode when japan ronnie couldn't do the task and they were already near the back. I was like well. They're they're done that's two hours. They have no chance and then they got there and it was only thirty minutes. I would what and then there were other tasks i mean some of them. Were you know you had tina breaking the dinosaur or something but even the big one where catherine get in. They hitch a ride and only get ten minutes and i was like. That's nothing so it's weird because some of these tasks like of all of them are really thirty minutes. I mean i'm thinking about it when you're at it. Maybe they're different. I would be like go. If i'm like near the front of the pack i'd be like like some of them detours after different because like that radio one when you had to eat all those drive food that'd be like oh you're gonna give me thirty minutes. I'm gonna go right past that. There's some difference. Because that's what i think i in one sense. I like it because it creates drama like if it was two hours they'd be don and amazing race canada even two hours sometimes it flips around but other times. It's not so. I like that part of it from tv but from like a race strategy perspective to me. I feel like there's gotta be some that are more because if not you know that there's a limit you can't just go up every task you have to try them or something. I don't know what it would be. Do you think that the that. I know what the time penalty is. Because i think ronnie job bell certainly tried to do the the bombing tusk like. We're celebrating being bombed by the japanese in nineteen forty two. but did they. I mean i wanted today. did they know. Can they ask if we stop what will challenge. What will our excuse me. A penalty be is it based on head. You stayed and done it. It would have taken you probably another thirty minutes. I mean i don't know how they how they calculated. It is weird to me that it's not spelled out and that bo- it after the fact and in the us they have to spell it out ahead of time like it's gameshow law that you have to know exactly what's going to happen to you in any situation like that so way. You can't be surprised. By a rule that you didn't know existed and early seasons of the us as ing race would assign you a time penalty or quitting specific types of tasks but then also if you broke a rule typically like. How much time did you gain by breaking that rule and you have to have that much time like if you took a taxi instead of walking. Did it take you thirty minutes that you that you could have. They would've taken you thirty minutes longer to walk. So you get penalized thirty minutes. And they don't do that anymore Mostly because they're not really spelling out that sort of that sort of granular difference but here. It's possible that they don't know. And that also makes it interesting. Because i got the feeling that ronnie and joe bell had no idea what was going to happen when they checked in at the map but that could be just speculate. Well listen ago tosca. Red hot shot. So i don't know i think. They felt very much that they were going to be eliminated. And of course. We're absolutely thrilled when they weren't and i think had they known it was thirty minutes. I think maybe there would have quit earlier but it makes you wonder because the cowboys were looking for sugar tongs for nearly an hour and a half so i wonder if they knew that the penalty for not finding your sugar. Tongs was thirty minutes then they should have given up thirty minutes in so it's not clear to me what they know when they know and how the times are calculated. Because you're almost at the point now in amazing race canada. Where if you show up and it's a big pile of something looking for something even smaller like i'm not even going to touch it. I'm done i'm out. Yeah they'd take two hours there have. It's not but the amazing race candidate though. I think it's four if it's like a roadblock and nobody really quits detours so but yeah here. They do so many little tasks that it's like There's a lot of them. You could probably really go down. The rabbit hole of going through every lake can being like well that would take a while and that would take a while and that. I mean it's not just the detours. It's all kinds of them. So i would think i actually thought that maybe tobel asked because i mean maybe they didn't and didn't know because they did look kind of like they didn't know what was going to happen but i think of it from a game perspective. If i was struggling that they didn't even like he was like facing the wrong direction at throwing it over his head or i don't even know what they were doing. They didn't that she could pull him. But i just wonder there has to be something. And i don't know if we'll ever get an answer. The only answer we'll get is in the future because i mean the last couple times we've had penalties was teams that were last so they didn't like jordan inviolate when she couldn't make fire breathe fire and that his swimming. They didn't tell us what that would have been so it's hard to say what those were. That was a roadblock for her but they were last so they just went and got you know salvage sabotaged with snorkels. So there's a lot of weird things that we don't really understand here. I think the other the other strange thing which struck me apparently is that you leave for the next leg in the order that you came in but not at the time intervals that you came in if you follow what i mean. So they are leaving at set time intervals whether it's five minutes or ten minutes par whatever it is which has no relation to the time divorce between the arrival on the met and i believe in the us. It is that time interval. So if i come in and our behind you i leave. The next leg are behind you. Well it used to be how it is i. It is unclear if that is still how it is all right. I think there is some kind of room to fudge around with that. A little bit. i don't think it's quite as pronounced as it is here where it's almost like every beginning of every leg there's a sign in board But i i think when you're doing that many tasks on that titus timeframe you have to do that because otherwise people are going to be three hours behind and from production standpoint you have to have those tasks setup you have crew there for that long. I see why they do it. I think i'm surprised if the us version isn't doing this already am surprised. They're not yeah. I think they also do within. Legs like you saw in the last lake. Were i mean this is not that uncommon for us. But i feel like there was almost a moment in every single lake where there were some sort of board or like the two flights or the tube boats like in this time. Or you know they're really trying to you. Know even have that one timer teams were all spread out and they had those really weird times where it was like eight and eight thirty nine fifteen and like the ties were strange. They weren't all even and so. I think they're trying a lot of ways especially with there. Not being as much travel like in terms of the airport is always the equalizer. they have a few airports. But i think they're trying to find ways to have it stay close especially when you're doing seven or not seven or eight things but like five or six things they they just. There's a lot of artificial things. But i feel like it's probably needed for this kind of Show just in this country. Yeah with this things in this many people. I think you really have to impose that on there. But here's something else that. I'm finding fascinating that i don't think. Us amazing race would ever get around trying to talk about the first class. Pass because this to me is kind of genius if you have twenty four legs and fourteen teams. There's no way everybody's going to get to know them. So we just have some of the more visible team sit out for a leg and their reward is they can go to the spa while everybody else runs the leg. It's brilliant. And i kinda love it. I wanna know if i'm alone on this. I love the i. The first class pass idea especially like they combine it with the nomination leg so like you have a race prefers then. It's not just about who gets the trip. It's about something else. You gain the only thing i don't like about it is i mean. Maybe it's results based is the next leg. Were then that team draws from a bag. 'cause there that leg i was watching it. I'm like where are they. They weren't even showing them that all of a sudden we cut to the sikhs go picking tenth and that was if they had that leg if they had been u-turn. Which was the correct. Move if you were trying to get rid of strontium they would have been eliminated and signed on on the u-turn which we can get to. Yes what i liked about. The the first class is this sabotage or salvage which is a non elimination leg or is by tells us predetermined non elimination leg. John montgomery does that too just for all the fans out there. We already did it. In the first season's to fill fill mentioned determine. Yeah in the seasons. But so it's a non elimination leg but it's not just all. The last person came in last full. That we're going to get eliminated. Phil cox eyebrow or bo- just stops talking for a minute and then they find out that the north eliminated joy joy joy but it just adds now with this ability to be punished or rewarded and that power being given to a racer rather than production. I think is really interesting. And then what happens the next leg is you have the same number of teams you would have had. Had there been an elimination but the returning to the game by drawing a a placement is really dicey because the statistics drew ten out of twelve teams and they had to really hustle to to regain their place and he made it up to i think. Yeah but if you're that crowded together. I think it's less pronounced than if you're all leaving like forty five minutes apart. True team can make that up. Should we talk about Salvage and sabotage. Yes please because this is this to me like this is the wacky est thing i when they said sabotage and salvage. I was thinking like this. Must be more akin to like the salvage. Pass that we've seen on ustralian amazing race or the handicap that we've seen on amazing race norway and it's really not it's a totally new thing but it's so dumb and i love how dumb it is. I i the not talking thing. I found just so ingenious because it led to so many weird moments with jude shannon where she just got a smile looked at her and couldn't talk but all my gosh they had just given that the lower wonders of what would have happened there. You know. I liked that one more than the storks gear which is funny for a minute but then it's kind of like. Oh yeah they're wearing snorkel air. Okay so i i find the sabotage the more interesting than the salvage which one was go to the front of the queue and then the other one would the guide which ended up really helping them at all but the sabotages are very fun. But the no talking to me. Still one of the strangest wads. I've ever seen big brother. Unitards of of mazing race twists instead of a speed bump. Is it i think. Yeah so the the the diving mask and snorkel. It would have been very difficult. And they were fogging up but they also had to remove them because the mask would scare the turtles so production scholley knew that no the turtle mistress said. Please take your masks off your scare the turtles so do you think that is my question. In both cases now that we've seen the first class past being given to the first of the match and then being given the power to to give the sabotage or the salvage to the last two arriving teens. Both times they're be given the salvage to the second last and the sabotage to the last explaining it as. Oh it's only fair because you came in last is this. What we're going to see is no one going to use it. Strategically one hundred percent. Feel like if if you know. I don't think it will happen. But if holly and delors somehow themselves into winning first place on one of these legs you would definitely see them use it out of spite and actually if holly indoor one of the last two teams in another leg they dow. We've gotten to know them a little bit better. I think there are several teams that would deploy it out of spite. I agree. I think that i think we're gonna see it. Because you narrow down the teams that some teams are gonna start to get sick either. Get sick of other teams or realize. This is the strongest team. We need to hurt them. Whereas so far it i mean really when you got down to it with the last two teams with the dancers and jalen. Roddy i assume that most people like those teams and didn't have they also they were the two strongest so they it was very easy for the girls to just say we're going to go in order but let's say we get to six or five teams and you look and you think here's the strongest team. I think some will get sabotaged. I think it'll happen especially depending on. Who has it. if it's yeah. I mean if a team is just like we're going to be nice to everyone that's our thing no like and some of the teams. I have no idea. Because i don't know them like if chris nuttal should get it. Who knows but you know it still been I think it will happen sometime. We can hope so. Yeah i i also. I think it's really hilarious. That if you check in first and it's an honor limitation leg they tell you up front. It's not only the nation so you have to wait here and they have to camp out there on the mat and watch everyone else check in. There's going to stand there like hey what's up. It's really awkward and hilarious. So i also appreciate that part of it but there are so many weird twists that. I'm appreciating here these survivor style. Endurance challenges. I think we've talked about a little bit before To determine the order of the next task we like these little flares. I don't know i don't know i. I was very conflicted. I mean for a start. Everybody had left it into those and then they had two oldest run to bow and then wait for everybody so there was kind of this natural point that that they put into the race. So i'm not sure why they didn't all live together but fine. They might have been something in there that we didn't say they're all going to end up on the beach and they're all going to have to wait for each other. I don't know i. It's very visually interesting. Watching people clinging on for dear life although we did get the brilliance of jessica just owning to law. So yes then. What do you think that badly. I don't know if this particular task beyond again to laura like talking all this trash that immediately halley going out which is great. But i don't know if this was your idea. I like the idea of somehow there. Being an individual task that they competed. that is not just. Leave when you're done that there's somehow something else to where everybody stops and watches. I think that is setup for good drama and for something interesting to happen and to use different skills now. This one of course also knocked out. Shane which was sad. But i think there's potential but again it's kind of in that like you mentioned with the red at person kind of weird amazing race tank part of my brain. That thinks there's gotta be a way to make this better but then also thinks yeah but it could also be worse. I don't know so. I'm a little conflicted. It's kinda like a face off but everybody's facing off at the same time true. I don't know how i feel about that. And i wonder also are. We gonna see a face off or a head to head or a double battle. They're throwing everything else the wall. I wouldn't be surprised to see it at this point. Yeah i think we might also the weird thing. I would mention quickly the u-turn where they require the team. That's i to use it. I never seen raising and the teams were really close. And again i i you know i could chain a dab i know why are you heard holly lor who did not understand but if you really want to go by the jail rules. That was not the right team to to you turn. It was really one of the teams in the back possibly is drawn team but making them do it. What do you think of. That was intriguing that they had approaching the utah and they were in a shared taxi. And they discussed it with remember. Who but the other team that was there and they all kind of agreed to it. So i think it was interesting that shannon deb have canvassed certainly at least one other team to get almost approval of who they were going to utah and i like them being compelled to you turn. I love it absolutely love it. I would kinda love to see a team arriving first. U-turn board and being told you have to use the u-turn and then like just waiting at the u-turn board and like standing right at the border and letting someone else go in front of them like no you go. I know you go i. I wondered about that if they would a team with do that and be like i don't really wanna make any enemies. I don't really care. I need to tie my shoe. I don't know something like that. I'm gonna stop at the bathroom something to just not get that. Because i've never seen that before and in fact there was a single turn in an elimination leg. It could have been very impactful yet absolutely. Could i mean thankfully there's enough stuff on the back end of the of the leg that you could make up that time because you know. Us amazing race would be like this is a cool idea and they put it right by the map. Yeah basically it's like who do you wanna kick out completely have fought had they you turned the super seeks who without the u-turn came in eight. I mean i don't know if it would have made them dropped four places but do you think they're the ones that should have been. You turned in so yeah go ahead. Just yeah no. I think i think so as well. They're the Of all the teams that were near the back of the pack. If i look at where teams finished the you could take holly into laura out who finished night. They were the obvious also. If you look up to that point they were i. I didn't have to compete. So by that point. They were the only team that had finished first and they even sat out a leg. But i think or this early with this. Many teams teams are really thinking that way yet. Maybe they well down the road though the role is you tend someone that you expect to see again right. Still think the super six the ones to to take the u-turn the teams that close together. I think they absolutely could have dropped four places very quickly and i think that's one of the things informing your strategic decisions. Right now is like there's a lot of teams here there still a lot of room. There's a lot of wiggle room and you don't necessarily dan. You mentioned it already. It looks very different. When there's five teams as opposed to when there's ten and i think not only. Do you not know these people super well yet. But you don't necessarily have a slam dunk on every strategic choice. Yeah i agree Yeah so we see another u-turn do you think. Oh of course there's a there's how many many legs eighteen episodes left sarah. We're going to see everything we're gonna we're gonna rising preps that thing. This is the first amazing. They've all watched it. But they're actually in it now and they are there's emergent strategy as they suss out the other teams as they figure out their own strengths. Jessica just is getting stronger and stronger as she gains confidence. Their placement has been fantastic. I'm sorry to go on and on and on about different jessica. my favorite. They were so good at the last most recent legs. So it's like fresh in the brain. They were so much fun And i will say that that really applies globally to all of these teams at this point. I think this season so far. I mean some of the tasks are extremely cheesy. And they're the kind of thing if you're planning an amazing race in your own hometown. These are the kinds of things you'd make people do but on the other hand they are finding a lot of stuff that people never knew is in their wheelhouse. I think fire-breathing tasks in particular. You see jackson just like completely. He practically hit all three targets at once and you see christie. The same thing it's the cow would either of them know that they were good at this. I think i think you're seeing such a wide variety of skills being tested that you might find something you didn't know you're good at yes and it's interesting because they even first detour food or bev with. I had to appeal to kilo prawns. You would think oh. Every estrada knows how to appeal prawns. But in fact don't so we had some people who were popcorn queens and some people who had a little trouble with the concept of removing the poop chute. Yeah i need to stop saying poop chute over. No get of is wanted to call out a couple other tasks that i really enjoyed. I mentioned the donnie derby already. But i have mentioned the dancing one which i mean a lot of that you get a little in having all these teams dance. Do these traditional dances. Always kind of interesting but some of them look so ridiculous. Like the The shane and delore doing the eagle dance. I was like. I couldn't help but laugh. Even though i know that i don't know it gets a little hairy. When you're talking about laughing things that are important. Dances to people. But some of the challenges or them snipping the grass with the little sizzles. I had flashbacks that school. If you were caught you know sitting on the field and absent. Mindedly pulling up grass. That was your next lunch. Oh my gosh. Cutting the grass with this is a real australian cultural thing. Yup i think somebody. That's in production. Had that done to him or her and they've now done that to the races and it is really. It's as hard as you think it is and it was as hard as they all decided that it was. I think with the dancers. It's interesting because i noticed that not to beg on him too much but it is so enjoyable law again was didn't watch the demonstration and he wasn't doing what the boys showed him to and he was just doing. Oh it's an eagle eagle but it's dustin eagle it's very particular movements and they're very beautiful to do. I love the e dance that the women were doing. What you will may or may not have noticed. is that The women's dances being judged by the woman and the men's dances for being judged by the men so in aboriginal culture this separation of men's business and women's business and that's part of the culture and part of the beauty and the people who did really. Well we're not necessarily dancers but there were people who were giving attention to what are being shown and part of that is is respect and i found myself doing the the emu head hand along with the women. It's really beautiful to do so. I think the people who were not doing so well. Shane and in particular just decided they will do their version. Oh it's just any alter-ego particular dance. But again we see that not to lauren. Hollywood not that good at rating clues and following close in fact when holly opens up their salvage and reads out. You will be given the chance to gouge to the front of the queue. In one instance. She puts down the she says we can go to the front of the click q at any time. It's like no that's not what the closest it's it out loud anyway. I will stop bagging on them. But i thought that was beautiful. I loved i loved seeing it. And i love seeing the more wearing the ochre on their face as they as. I did the rest of the leg. Yeah that was quite beautiful. I want to go back to the grass. Cutting for one second just because i want to. I want to give tip to those of you. Who are trying to balance work and family and watching four and a half hours of amazing race a week. Here's my tip if you can download the episode your hard drive and open up. Voc player you can watch them on one point five speed and everything door does on point. Five speed is even funnier. There's a point where he's like. There are bugs jumping up at him. He's running away from them and it was the best thing i saw all week. Well there's there's a lot i mean. Of course there's the mouse trap in the boots which is one of the silly moments i mean. There's there's more i could list. I don't wanna turn this into. Wow that was awesome kind of game here. But there's through six legs and they do like six task the leg. It's there's a lot to cover We wanna talk about the. Tha the thing that might be coming in the future who i'm talking about that. I think we better. I'm sarah. What have you heard about this. Because i understand. You're the one that brought this to us. You said you'd think this is what's going to happen. Well yes we have done six legs in queensland and the next time on and said you know what a twist and we have the races gasping and being amazed. We've all been. We've all watched reality television before we've all we all know how we being tricked by the upcoming events but there is something called the t junction and it's like. They said like a version of the intersection where teams had to team up until our told not to team up. But it's like a mega into section. Where i believe that the first team to arrive at the t junction will divide all the races in their teams into two mega groups and those two groups will now complete the lake. Whoever whichever group comes first is the one that comes first and this is the thing we really have to talk about the second super team to check into the pit stop has to decide which pair from their super team to eliminate from the rice. Does your blood run called it. Does i hate it so much. I ate a super superheated. I don't even care like even if it's like holly into laura go out that way i hate it. I wanna kill it with fire. I mean if they want that to happen why don't they have those four teams compete in challenge or something like why do they. They're turning it into like survivor where it's like. What are they going to bring out the earn and they all right names on a parchment or what. I just think that's too much power to give me your ready. Having team sabotage and salvage is a power but at least that's one team and they're not effectively because we saw the dancers survive so wasn't automatically eliminating them here. It just seems like if it's just a vote that's ridiculous to me. I waited anytime. They put voting in the amazing race. And we saw that. We saw that two seasons ago on amazing race. Us where they feel gathered everybody around like okay. Tell me who you would like to u-turn and then it became this whole thing like who did you say like. Did you say you were gonna turn me. It doesn't matter that. I didn't actually get you turn. Why did you do that. And like to put the stakes even higher on that is just unconscionable to me. It's not what this show is. I hope that we slightly misinformed. And the illumination is is effected by something like the four teams competing against each other. As you say so. I hope that our information is slightly faulty. But i fear that it's not and one of my problems will be if it is highly into law that go out that they will always say. Oh it's because we were such a threat. Oh it's because they were so jealous of us all it's because we're so good at everything rather than crap and you can last. Yeah they got beat by a bunch of rules well. They got beaten by two months. So the matt fortunately the moms did not have their backpacks hall. That killed me up. Settlement absolutely killed me. Oh no i was just gonna say. They got to the waterslide. I for the big finale and then failed. It was yes and the other thing about the waterslide is that holly wanted to see the manager. I don't know if you noticed knocking on the glass. Can we go. can we go. Oh my god this is wonderful. This is i want to see your supervisor. But the don't know whether there was a little bit of skulduggery but the moms certainly set off. I on that waterslide and i was thrilled. Yeah it was It was very suspenseful. In a way that i think amazing grace frequently struggles to be that suspenseful You would think like people are racing all the time but you honestly did not know from that point on who was actually going to get there and i liked that a lot. I want to spend a little more time on the washing. The turtle tank and feeding the sea turtle says that was the coolest challenge that we've seen on this season so far and i think the coolest challenge. I've seen on season of the amazing race. In quite some time i it was just. It was a fun experience. It was local but it also felt big like if international mazing race came there. They would do that. Same cask right yes. I think some of the tasks have felt very homemade in our backyard. This is how we would do it. But that was very much a prime prime task and they were so la well. Almost all teams were so delighted to be there they seemed actually interested in the facility which is to rehabilitate hurt sea turtles so rather than just doing the task. They're also kind of intrigued by. How does it work in the turtles. And who are the people and they had clearly found people found out the people who worked there names as several of them them by name. And i thought that that made it really interesting as well that while they were going helpful leather to finish the task they also seemed really engaged in the The work off the facility frequently. See people on this on this program of various global iteration to this program creating the people that are managing the tasks like their furniture and not really taking the moment to find out what they're about and so did like those moments of human connection we've seen throughout the race so far. Yeah i prefer that too because then too it's like the last thing you you have those moments where the task really hard. But i don't need to ever see teams. Just dig in dirt or dig in sand again in my life on the amazing race to me. That's just not interesting. It's like oh it's going to be hard and then they're going to be like this is so hard and that goes on where this is something. Yeah where it's like it also. It feels like again. Just give use the example about the stuff that might be in your local quick easy amazing race. This doesn't feel like that. This feels like something that they're going to talk about this and enjoy it rather than just being. Well we've got to do five or ten minutes so let's have teams. Do this might be funny because it's really hard. It's different and almost everyone did it. Even teams waiting for it and then of course it was just fun to see that and rather than everyone drowning or getting freaked out though i did enjoy that because just succeeded but just just a fun task so i have a i have a final segment i wanna do. But before we get to that Are there any other. Facets of this that we want to discuss the only other one i would say would be alex and jack quitting and again. I'm not gonna speculate at all. Because i don't know i mean sounds like something very serious. The came up from his past but just the fact how it impacted the race. The fact that they were a strong team that finished near the top and that immediately something came up at the start of the second leg and they had to quit. And then of course that led to wasn't catherine coming back but i just figured that's something we should mention just because it was a real surprise you could tell bo is very surprised you know. He wasn't just hugging them. And saying it'll all be okay. There was obviously something really there and it was just quite after seeing them in the first leg and then they were gone. It was like whoa and it was just something very interesting. And i just hope everything's okay for but them being out so quickly for something completely apart from the race very strong team that came in second to the sikhs and the description that that they gave was that they were on cloud nine. But that because of the lockdown the week lockdown beforehand and. It's something from this year past. We don't we. We don't want to know it's not up to us to know a but that one had sought help and the other hadn't are looked at an interview of them. I think few weeks afterwards. So it's still shaky but very that lovely brotherly love that you saw between them when when they were discriminate in fact describing that this had happened in that they were withdrawing and on the mend. I think would be a the headline there but both times both in the television program as we saw it in this interview that i saw that were emphasizing mental health. Being important and i liked the show dealt with this very sensitively. Because i think you know reality television as genre. Globally has not always had the best track record with how it creates people that decide that the experiences not for them for whatever reason and i thought this was handled very sensitively and also again because they've got twenty four legs to play around with. They were able to bring another team back. Which i think because they're not so stuck to a schedule in the same way that you would if you had if you had exactly as many legs you did teams with room for a couple of nine eleven nations. I think they have room to see what happens if we do this. And i think. I am not going to be two results oriented about this but i did. I did like that. We were that we were able to bring a team back. Then that you're not just the first one out and the next team quit so it's like they could acquit and you could have still been in it. Hasn't catherine have been sort of improving as well. They finished fourth in the six leg. So i think they're feeling they're feeling their strengths as well and it takes them. And how many times have we seen a team go out earlier. Someone get voted out early of survivor where we thought man if they just had a couple more days to get their bearings. How awesome would they have been. And i think we're seeing that now and i. I am happy about that. And also that they didn't feel like they were just doing at the expense of alex. And jack lee said you know this is the decision. That's right for them and now let's continue the race and we won't. We won't bag on them for not hacking it or anything like that. I think it was very much presented as a strength. That alexander jerk were showing strength to withdraw. And i liked that framing. I i did as well. I think that. I hope that helps people for sure so now to bring it into a little bit of a lighter area sarah. I know one thing that you were very Very passionate about when we discussed doing this podcast is You wanted to make sure that we were that we were able to understand some of the cultural nuances and slang terms. That are being thrown around here. And so i wanted to offer. I'm gonna offer my top three ozzy slang terms that i have learned from watching this season of the amazing race and flint. Yes you may certainly feel free to bring your own to the table as well Anything that you want to explain to the nausea out there. I'm sure we would all appreciate it But i learned to the term donny. Which is the term for an outhouse or other outdoor toilet facility And of course we got to see donny's on full display in in this season of brace and i hope that wasn't really imagine that's public health hazard lie that was real toilet water on your head. It's blue that's the sort of water that treated water that would be in a portal potty. Yeah exactly but i'm sure it was. It was clean. Shall we say now here. There was an involvement took not only an involvement of locals an acknowledgement of and interaction with locals because the teams had to draw a doney along and inside the donald. Were some previous. Stunning darby champions. Oh that's how yes yes. One of them said one of the told the cowboys. You pulling a four time champion. I believe i love that judge. I totally missed that i. Also what are the teams had. A a bigger guy that down a bit which i mean. Just the toilet sorry. The on us cleaned toilets water on the head in like the little bedpan is just. It's so amazing race australia. That's the only way i could put. It was always delightful about it. Is that skill. Because they had the bedpan strip to the top of a helmet on my head and they had to then pour it into a container so they actually some skill there too as we saw because a certain person whose name rhymes with malloy dumped all his water without waiting for holly to give him any instruction and then he spent the dummy and then each bedpan off his head and made her wear it and it was a whole. It was a whole delicious moment. It was a thing and imagine being the production assistant that had to hot. Glue all of those bedpans onto bicycle. Helmets what what a what a world. What a job. what else did you like. I learned the term of lilo for an inflatable raft device. That was something new to me. Where does that come from. Dr ninety as a malaysia. I'll give it a good but ally. Yes i've actually been carried out to see a child on a lilo. I remember thinking back to to my mother standing on the shore looking very worried lilo will look into that while you tell us what it is that you like about it is the is it the sound of the word you just like saying. Yeah it's it's a it's a new term for something. And i love it when people are just using a term for something that we have a that we here have a totally different understanding of what that thing is called. And everyone's like. Oh yeah that's a lilo and they just kept using. It even took me a second. They were even talking about. Yeah so and i'm saying here. It's a trademark so it was. It would have been a branch. It's like a kleenex or uber. Or or it's from it's from the yet but we just call them lila's what do you call him all. We just call them. Rafts i guess down what would you call that. Yeah i think that's all. I have another great name for it. Just you know or or that boat or something or not really boat but that thing i guess is probably the best thing some great great podcasting for me but yeah i would say right off. Would we be calling it lila from now on. Of course i might try to make that happen here And finally i want to. I have heard this before. But i i love the word legend used as an interjection to mean awesome cool and i think the cowboys in particular. Like like the use of legend just like. I wish i could start doing that. But it would feel appropriate. And i don't think it would have the same panache coming from an coming from a displaced midwestern living in new york. You know what i'm saying you can. You can try it. It's usually applied to a person. And if they if you want to give it a bit more. And they're even better than a legend and there'll be a dead set ledge so there are dead set legend or did sit ledge. You could try that as well. We like it. legend have always written down. I was going to to see if you pick them up and whether you like to them. Yeah you do that. You could do the phil cogan thing where you were you. Give me slang terms and make me define them. Oh show. i just got a few that. I wondered whether you whether you pick them up whether you knew what they were. All from context. He was giving new ones. That hadn't necessarily been used in the show. The ones that i guess not. I'm better than phil cogan. Who liked tweet of mine. The other day. I was completely excited But i i did a few down. Dan was there anything that you were puzzled by or delight. Well can i ask a question about the wheat fix a little bit because i assume we fixed was not a sponsor because if they were their money's worth so i assume we mix. I've looked it up. It's like a breakfast cereal. you know. And they've been around since the one thousand nine hundred twenty s. And i promise i won't either the wikipedia page to everyone but So is this something that a lot of people eat that they enjoy like if you added milk to and maybe a little fruit be like on the level of like a healthy cereal here or is this something that's just rarely eaten that they That no one really had had. I want to throw in. I think a week fix is like shredded wheat in the us which nobody really eats. But i it's probably. I think the cultural comparison is not i think the actual physical comparison is i when i see it. I think of shredded wheat. Can't you said ozzy kids We fix kids. Yes we kids. We really wonderful. I love them. Some people don't like them so it's basically we'd salt and water flaked s- question a skit thing. One of the ad campaigns that they run is that idea of. How many do you do. And then you get sports stars to to smash out ate for breakfast or whatever it might be but they absolutely have to have something on them. They're a carrier. So there're carrier for milk or fruit or sugar or whatever you want to put on them but a lot of people myself included. We'll just put butter and vegemite on them. So use them like a fat cracker. The they are quite wonderful and very common breakfast. Item eating twenty dry would be absolute hell as we saw some teams really struggling particularly the poor cowboys. I couldn't believe it because they were seen as favorites for smashing as we would say smashing twenty week. Expect yes try it. You're like okay. That's my only question that's all. Well i've got a couple of things fall you did you hear the cowboys in particular using the phrase spewing what spewing is yes. I assumed it meant like vomiting. It doesn't seem promising but it also then metaphorically can main. Did you see her. Take my seat. I was spewing so you could as i was angry about it so anger you can and yes now. They had to carry schooners of beer. I don't know what size of beer you guys are you stupid. I've got a few different sizes. You can have a pony seven. Med schooner. butcha pot. Handle a ten pint so we kinda like being in all different sauces real. Sarah do you really know all of those beer sizes off the top of your head or did you make a list. I made a list. Because i thought i'll just get nervous and i won't be able to. I used to drink carney's but in different states they called different things yes. I would unusual exit butcher. I'm not familiar with that comes from adelaide. And they're very strange in south australia so and cute and the other one. I thought you might like was mad as a box of frogs which said well that one. I've heard and also also cane toads as a cultural thing in australia. There's a very famous documentary that they make biology students watching the us about the invasive species like the best thing to comprehend what it invasive species isn't does is the cane toad movie. Yes so we knew all about that and mad as a box of frogs. I think i've heard both in conjunction with the cane toad movie and like in australia larger. Yes med meaning. Crazy crazy and speaking of kind towards and bo. I think it's interesting. i mean. we have come to bow and as we should. We do need to discuss him. I think the show knows how clumsy he is not just physically but also socially and eulalie because they lift in the bit where he was doing the introduction to the cane toads standing in a in a pin of cane toads feet and hit just scream and jump out of the pin and then take the introduction again the lift in the take one way he screamed and jumped down. I thought yes. They know if he has appeal. It is in his very unsuitability to do this job. What do you think of. I think he's a talk. But i also think that he's really more closer on the spectrum of amazing race hosts. He's very much closer to john. Montgomery i feel like he's taking his cues as a host from john rather than from phil or from his predecessor grant bowler in the sense that he is along for the adventure and he is you know he's doing all of the tasks along with them and they kind of he wants to be their buddy and i think phil maybe started out and i know i know from speaking to many racers that they experience off-camera is there buddy. He does hang. But you don't see that on on. Tv there is a separation but with bow. It's like you can tell he just walks into the pitstop starts starts handing out drinks which is a different experience as a host but he's also he also has absolutely zero gravitas which is also a complete one eighty from grant bowler. So there's no he can't handle those serious moments in the way. That i think even john montgomery of somebody medevac. He'd be able to walk in and like explain it everybody else without looking like a buffoon buffoon at such a good word and it. It's it's what he is. Yeah you dan where are you at. Where are you with bo. You know. I mean he's kind of he's sloppy and he's kind of all over the map and he's like but he's he's a little during. I almost feel like though he's the right host for the show for this version by In a way. John montgomery is the perfect for candidate. Because he's like. I love canada. I was an olympian canada's me. Let's make candidate proud and you're like yeah john. I wanna make canada proud. Canadian fills a little more like you know. Look at all this culture. Everyone we should really take in. How amazing this this trip is. It's really cool. And i know he's these different off camera but but this to me is more on. I've tried not to just repeat what both of you have said. But there's a little bit of this kind of like and you believe they just let me do this and there's a little bit out with the show to were they tasso i well. This is kind of crazy. We're doing the amazing race. Why don't we make up do that. And i think he's bits that because if you had a really serious hose and he's like our next task is you're going to cut grass with scissors. And he kept like was grant bowler saying that. I'd be like this. Something off your but having him laying on the ground doing it on my bed and the hugging is we talked about that a bit but it doesn't matter if they're happy or sad or whatever he just loves. Going in for the hugs. You know. i've i've never last season two. it's It's kind of a deering and that also it's like. Is there somebody who just doesn't want to hug. Bow no i what anyway. Yeah step off. I'm not a hugger. Yeah you're down. And i think he's more successful on this season than he was on the previous season the previous season. He he really. I think he struggled to fit the tone because it was really very much a re staging of american amazing race or even of previous australia. Amazing race but this is such a different animal. And he's really the right guy for this particular animal. Oh i think you're absolutely right. I mean a couple of things On his second season so he's more he's more loose i do. I do find him in endearing. I mean that someone is so unsuitable for the task. And yet just as it. And i do i do like that. I remember very cringing moment. Last season where he was looming at six hundred one over very small thai woman and his his Small talk with her was. Do you have any children. And she should just stay ahead and didn't answer he went and i. Oh that's that's no good but here. he's enthusiastic. He does all the tasks which is which is good including being frightened of cantons and he. The us is only misstep. Didn't really know how to deal with shane's injury and so kind of banged on the on the ambulance right on with it on words. But i think you're absolutely right. He suits this season particularly. I think he's got more relaxed. And as more just as we would say daggett self and i think is a is a good match. Just stop hugging people. It's not yeah we have a pandemic and it was not cool before the pandemic. It's definitely not cool now. Not okay so. I think that about brings us to the end of this I did very well to recap six episodes of a show in an hour and a half and obviously this pace is unsustainable for regular podcasting. But we would love to hear from you. If you've got all the way to the end of this and you really need to hear more. I would love to get a tweet from everybody letting us know that you're happy to hear more from us. And so we may be able to bring you something at the end of the season. No promises but we can try. And i'd really love to know what you all think this season so far so please get in our in our mentions and let us know how that's going on. You can find me on twitter at haymaker. Hattie and sarah were you Onto sarah carradine. That's easy enough and dan. of course are you. I am at the dan heaton and also. If you like the parks you can follow me there tomorrow. S o sea at. I have to mention related to that that they wanna trip to disneyland in the last leg and it's closed. Sorry guys you can't you can't go anyway. Country to though. I assume you level open before they can leave the country so probably not a big deal. Yeah i think. I think it's going to be fine dan. They'll be able to cash that in whenever you know everybody on. Us amazing racist sitting on trips. They want as well. Like i think we'll in james have like three in their big will take it eventually not in a hurry but yeah i like the subtle product product placement in. That leg is well. I was looking at the janke map with nemo on. And i'm like disney going to sue them because that doesn't look authorized and then they opened the chest and nemo pops out at the end they got the gave away at disneyland trips. From like i'm just gonna assume the mouses okay with this you would hope so. Yeah we hope. I don't want anybody getting sued So sara tell us what else you're working on. I know you've got a lot of you've been doing a lot around the gps our universe. Yes well i'm kind of Mrs quiz show now suddenly which is great. I've been writing some quizzes for jordan keldysh for trish which has been enormous fun and i got together on the for the post. Show recaps patrons with sasha joseph geneva guadalupe and kirsten mckenna's to recap the first four episodes of bridgeton and that's dropping on valentine's day and we're going to get together and recap the second four as well so that's been really fun. I'm excited i'm going to have to again. The nice thing about being able to watch things on sped up is i could probably get through all four of those episodes bridgeton before the podcasts drops. It's a good idea to because we don't follow the linear plot. We kind of do what we've done today. Which is one one thing leads to another and we just did. It did quite a large general discussion and it was lots of fun and very intriguing and different ideas. Came out so i hope people will listen and enjoy very excited. Check that out and dan. What are you up to lately. Well of i am sitting at home hoping that we get something similar with amazing race. Canada the summer so that we can podcast about that. But in the meantime i do a show outside of our. Atp called the tomorrow society. Podcast where i talked to a bunch of people that have worked on theme parks. I'm doing a lot of former. Imagine ears right now and so. That's really exciting And you can learn all about that at tomorrow. Society dot com. It's really fun. That stuff and i to say i. It is awakened a curiosity in me. That i did not know i had when you start talking to all these imagine ears like i'm very in the weeds on the behind the scenes disney stuff. The way i didn't know was possible. So i have the tomorrow society. Thank for that. And as for me. I am quite busy over on the post. Recap side of things these days Rub sister and i are just about to wrap up our coverage of cbs. All access a series based on. Stephen king's the stand and that has been a ride. Let me tell you what We will be very happy to get off the ride and proceed to the exit after this week. And then round that time is when walking dead picks up so we will be bringing you coverage brandon. Chapell and i will be on that with Occasional special guests when that premieres on for twenty eight and of course this week. We've been talking about phil. Cogan this whole podcast. And i'd be remiss if i did not mention that we are recording this on february tenth. Which is the premier date of season. Two of tough as nails and of course Mike luman rob sister. You know and i will be getting very shortly to talk about. Everything happened on there and throughout the season like who knows what can happen on tough as nails podcast. Because i will tell you season one. A lot of stuff happened. I didn't think would ever happen. And i could not imagine in my wildest dreams so i hope you all will tune in for that and so i think that brings us to the end of our podcast and if you like what you hear let us know. And we'll see what else we can think about bringing you because eighteen more episodes seems like a lot and we probably going to have a lot of opinions on it. But meantime i want to thank you again. Sarah for joining us You are as say deadset. Ledge good as gold excellent and of course dan heaton as always a pleasure. Talk amazing race with you and i'm glad we didn't have to wait for john montgomery to get his stuff together in order to do it. Thank you. this was awesome. All right and so i think that's it for us. We will see you on the flip side or something. I'm terrible at ending podcasts. But have a great week is.

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Survivor 38 Episode 4 Wiggle Room with Jessica Liese

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Survivor 38 Episode 4 Wiggle Room with Jessica Liese

"Taking. Josh. To learn. Learn. Learn. Learn. Yes. That is right. The wiggle room week forty and sad to say that Josh wig ler is on the edge of extinction this week. But I am very happy to say we have a great friend of the podcast sitting in. It is the great Jessica lease around. Is. Why she was on June birdie, Mike, d j. Jess you see that news show. Older across the world on BBC. Sir. Yes. Hashtag Joschka side while I didn't know it was getting a theme song. Yes. Yes. I apologize to all the people that turn it off at the time of the one-off. That's a little bit of a sneak attack want off from DJ Figueroa mcnicoll or Jessica lease, man. That's fantastic. Thank you figure on mcnicoll. Okay. Just how are you? I my life is enriched by the fact that I got my own theme song. Once upon a time shut up Tim did one. Also, he did his was just like screaming my name over and over over the amazing race meet song. Yes. So Jessica, and I are podcasting here for the second time in twenty four hours after we recapped this week's episode of the Walking Dead over on post show recaps. But now time to talk some survivor here in the wiggle room. Jess, yes. I have just boobed all my stuff into the wiggle room and stuff all my stuff. And I've just decided I'm going to camp out here until Josh gets back. Okay. All right. Josh Wigley should be back with us on next week as we recap the double episode, but a lot of stuff to discuss post. Swap and Jess if I'm not mistaken is this the first podcasting you've done getting to talk about season thirty eight of survivor. That's right. It's the first time I've gotten to really talk to anybody actually anybody at all. About this about this season. Okay. All right. So just excited to get into everything today. We had a lot of podcasts already up for the week. If you miss any of those talk to Cebu, aka Carl booed row earlier this week as well as a Brett Lebel, and then we had this week in survivor featuring Mary quick Caskey as well this week. In addition to the survivor note, also a lot of stuff we're going to close out the survivor week today and get into everything for the week forty one off year with Jessica lease. Oh, Jess survivor edge of extinction for weeks in. How are you feeling? I'm enjoying it. I think I feel like I say this every season. Now, I enjoying this more than I thought I was going to why do I come in? So so bearish on everything. Well, I think that we. Hear about the twists. And I do think that we are mind goes to how terrible they are. I mean this season in particular in this twist, you know, the survivor rumor mill gets going, and it was like shortly after these survivor players left there with like the season theme had been leaked and immediately the gut reaction was oh my God. This is the worst thing ever. They just you know survivor is ruined. And this is going to be terrible. We have you know, a year March to this point. And I usually try to at least they let's hold on. Let's let's wait for things to be bad before we start to complain that. I don't like preemptive complaining that is entirely fair. Yeah. I would say I think some of the concerns I had coming into. It are definitely valid and have definitely bore. In out, but some of them, it's really hasn't been an issue of and. And it's just a. Don't get it. Twisted. You know, we're not out of the woods. Okay. So when we have something complain about we should complain. Sure. I don't think we should be holding back on it. Just because some of it is better than we thought. It was going to be. Yeah. So there are there's another shoe potentially to drop maybe two shoes to drop, and we'll you know, we'll react accordingly as it plays out. But we really don't know exactly how this is all going on fault. No, I guess not lot is going to hinge. I think on how they go about bringing someone back into the game as it could be very anticlimactic, and thus very disappointing. Or it could be it could come about in a way that feels very unnatural to the show. And that would also be very unsatisfying. It's also I think a big question of who that the person who comes back into the game. At the merge in these seasons, while Pearl islands is probably the exception where both Lil and Burton go pretty far into the game in redemption island. Matt Elrod comes back, and then is voted out in the same episode that he comes back into the game. Then Ozzy comes back, and I think is voted out what to tribal councils after he comes back and then in survivor up libres water, Laura Merete comes back, and she's there for a couple of oats before. I don't know. If you remember this shit sorted out by her daughter. No way. Yeah. Yeah. So kind of a whole home tribal council to get rid of Laurette. But does get the big affect of that Sierra voted for her. So people that come back into the game from being eliminated other than Pearl. I really have not had an impact in terms of the game. At least at this middle point in the. Game. I would be remiss if you ever referred to pro-life outlier, I feel we have to point out that there is one huge crucial difference between Pearl islands, and all the other examples you cite. And what is it? That is in the way that people were brought back into the game because everybody else had to complete a challenge and they had to play a game to get back in and Pearl islands. They all had to be voted back into the game. I wonder if there's I don't think correlation is causation here. But I am surprised that they've never tried that again, and I guess knowing some of the pine the scene stuff. And I know you Johnny fairplay talked about this a little bit when he was on last week. But it's interesting to note that they've never tried the thing where they have the ousted castaways vote. Somebody back in is that just production not wanting to relinquish control. Especially given that the rumor is that Pearl islands was kind of. They've their rationale for voting the people in the game that they did was maybe not the purest of motivations. I mean, I would love it. If they did that do you think that that's a possibility? I can't imagine it would be. I think it's not the actress enough. I mean, they struggled like when they when you watch back that Pearl island scene where their voting people back in. It's really hard to figure out what's going on. It's kinda dry and the way they have to tally it up because they rooting to people in. It's like they're running. They're keeping to running tallies. And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to the viewer. And I think that's probably the reason they scrapped it and not necessarily. Yeah. So I think if they're gonna put somebody back into the game, I think we're it's going to be a straightforward challenge. I would love to be proven wrong on that. That would be an interesting wildcard. If that was the case where they did have some sort of a tribal council. I mean, the interesting thing here about the edge of extinction is that life year is somewhat of its own tribe, and we have seen in redemption island seasons where you know, the redemption island starts to get full. I think the original redemption, I think there was one point where there were four people on redemption island. I think there was some combination of off the top of my head Matt Elrod, aka Wyatt. Nash, Andrea Ralph, and maybe my chisel, maybe like was four people there at one point that sounds right to me. I have blocked out large chunk up Epson island. You're not missing anything. So it'll be interesting to see what they ultimately do. How? How to play up, but for now, I think that this is fine. So far, we're like the dog with the house on fire. Right. And rob do we know for sure how many people are coming back in and at what point they'll be coming back in have we heard I've heard rumors rumors. Yes, there's no confirmation that there's going to be one or two or three or all of them. We don't know anything about that. We don't know it has not been explained. I do wonder maybe if we might get some insight into the mechanics of the edge of extinction this week. I actually wanna play you the preview for this week as we start to discuss a little bit of what might be coming up in the double episode going into this week. Just this is the episode IV in six preview for survivor. This week Wednesday survivors going to be legend way for drum roll. Legendary. Night got yourself in. It's going to be chaotic with double the one side ever. Trust me, double the emotion. I never cried. I've cried four days in a row now the castaway scraping a second chance. What's in this box will decide their fate is this edge of extinction event CBS Wednesday. Okay. The box was that a Todo. It was roaring. The box. What's in the parks? So there's going to be a mystery box on the edge of extinction. This week that Chris is opening in the preview. So there's gonna be some some sort of information. I'll be upset if it's letters from home. I I don't know what they're gonna get. But there's some something maybe a clue for the people on the edge of extinction. That's that's number one. Number two is Barney Stinson now working on making the trailers for survivor episodes, Wednesday survivors, going to be legend way for drummer theory. Deary legendary what's shows off the air for five years, and it hasn't aged? Well. Legend, wait for a dairy. I hope you're not lactose intolerant. Yeah comes. Yeah. That that was so bizarre. I watched that the other day, and I couldn't get over it. What is going on at the promo department? Is it two thousand nine again? I don't know. I don't know. How I met your mother. They've caught one epic night. Yeah. I've boy. I guess they must have fired a bunch of interns in like had a bunch of their senior exacts have to come up with some of the stuff. Maybe they hired some of the how I met your mother writers. Yeah, I'm sure that many of them are not doing anything right now. The episode is also called it's like the worst. Cocktail party ever coming up on Wednesday night. I wonder what they were st- cocktail party ever entails. I'm gonna say no cocktails. That would probably be a prerequisite of the worst cocktail party ever. So on Wednesday night. We we may gets an insight into what's going on the edge of extinction. I'm gonna say that that box contains red herrings red herrings very possible. In terms of how it's going to be. But we may get to the point though, at the end of two hours where we might get a cliffhanger of. Hey, you guys are going back into the game soon. If we believe that next week's episode is going to be the merge. Yeah. It could just be stay tuned next week something's going to happen. Like these can open the box. And it's going to be a note that says that that'd be frustrating gap. But it would be about par for the course. Yeah. Jess we lost the Rick this weekend. Any parting words? For Rick as we start to close out his survivor exit week. Well, I quite liked Rick. I thought he was poised to go much further in the game. I would say he got a mild case of swaps. Crude I wouldn't go so far as to say that he would have been on going all the way if not for the swap, but I do think he was in a better position before it. And when you got that smaller group there is no place to hide. And actually, here's a weird comparison for you. If we're thinking about as long as we're thinking about seasons of survivor that had newscasters in them. This reminded me of nothing so much as the great season of survivor marquesses had a lovely morning news show. And also has specifically I'm thinking of the episode where Gina crews went home. Yes. It was one of those situations where I think everybody. Liked each other as a person, but they lost the challenge and somebody had to go home, and it was not anything that could have been done differently right of the watermelon seed spitting champion that they they all liked her. But and that was the case of that. She was the only person from a original Myra amou-. I believe her and it was Sarah Jones that got swapped with Kathy happy. And the leeann they did a weird thing then where that the Mara amou- tribe only had five people left, and so they did the swap where row to still had eight and they had. And they end up like they didn't swap to even numbered tribes. They like forever reason, they said, okay. This beach only has five people on it. That's the role. Yeah. That was a little weird. I think they've tried. I don't think they've ever tried that again. You know, it was interesting in. I wish I would have pulled this clip that after the challenge, you know, Jeff gives, you know, the award to the comet tribe that they get they won first place second place. Okay. Minu for the first time this tribe. Winds maybe having different people on it made the difference. Yeah. Yeah. That was the difference. Sure. If it's like two football teams play and they switch uniforms. It's not like, wow. I can't believe the team that won the first game. Didn't win the second game after this uniforms and guessing he'd probably had all his lines Britain out before any of this happened and he saw the line, and he's like, oh, do I need to improvise something or should. I just go with this. I'm going to go with it too late. Yeah. Back to Rick though. Yeah. I feel like maybe on a scale of one to ten in terms of being swapped screwed, and that might be a fun exercise of like who's the one in who's the ten on being swaps crude? But yeah, I think it was probably about a three or four for Rick Devon's that we didn't think that he was likely to go home this week, but you know, had the tribes not swapped, and then they lost. Again, probably would have been big Wendy who got voted out. And then if they went to another tribal council, then it would have been the same result. So it's hard to say he got swap screwed as if to say that then if they were do more tribal councils he would have been voted on. Anyway, it just sort of cut his game short by one trial counsel because let's be real that teams not winning any immunity challenges. Do you think that still the left suit tribe will not win immunity challenge? I think that. That particular conglomeration of people is going to get along. Wow. I would say like maybe the last person standing is going to be Kelly Wentworth a modern day. Stephanie la- grosses story yet modern day. At I think they. I would say that we probably get a merge earlier than they did in survivor Palau. So we might have two or three people left by the time we merge, but I don't think we stick in this three tribe configuration for very long. We don't stay in it long enough to what entirely wipe out the other tribe. But I would say I'm going to be shocked if either of the other tribes ends up going to travel council at all see I think that we got the clue that it might be comma that goes to tribal council, I know that they would have to lose the challenge. But we did get that evidence that you know, that, you know, Ron now knows that Joe doesn't have the idol and we've been. Being fed that story line throughout the first four episodes of the season about how that they're gunning for those returning players in Joe, and with Aubrey and then we got to see the, and yes, it was a cool reveal? But I wonder if maybe this could be it for Joe at least a Joe one point. Oh here in this game this week. Now, I would say that there is a there's a chance that happens and that happens it's like ninety nine percent guaranteed that Joe's the one that comes back into the game. Because when they introduced this premise and told us who the returning players were going to be like, oh, so they designed the entire season for Joe, you might as well just call that Joe island because he's good at all of the aspects of the challenges that there's no challenge that he wouldn't be at least competitive in. And if they're definitely going to do a challenge than they're gonna. He's going to be right up there in it. And if they do it any other way, I think he has a good chance being voted back in. I think just about any scenario you can envision in which Joe is in that group. Joe is the one that goes back. Yeah. That's not going to sit. Great. If Joe is the one who gets knocked out. And then immediately comes back, probably not I would say all the all the people that watched the show that the same lens that I do be really up in arms about it to be pumped up. Yeah. Your mom's gonna love it and Casuals are going to be soon as Joe gets voted out like people are going to be tearing their hair out and sobbing. So they got to bring him back. So that all hope is not lost in casual land. Just Ron Clark of he was behind this plan to have. Julia go through Joe's bag and get Joe over to the well did you like seeing this play out on -vivor this week? This was at new style of storytelling that I think we have talked about this quite a bit in across podcasts this week. But. That's a new style of editing that survivor hasn't done very much. And I was here for it. I think we've always said we wanna see a genius moment. And this was pretty anticlimactic as far as things go. But they're trying stuff they're gonna they're gonna give you this moment and a little bit of a different way. And see if anybody reacts to it badly if nobody reacts to it badly. We might get an actual Joe development that is played out like this. And that could be really interesting. Yeah. Would be really exciting. If you know, this became something that survivor would do more and more. So we definitely are thumbs up in terms of the what was going, non linear editing. Yeah. The non linear editing, call it. We're all gonna call it the genus editing, but I think not we cannot count on everybody. Even in our deeply weird circles to have watched a ten year old Korean game show. So people may. No what we are talking about here. But yeah, I think this could definitely make an appearance of what I wanna see my wishlist contains an episode of survivor in which tribal council happens at minute thirty five. And then we go back and we explain what happened. Okay. Interesting. So somebody gets voted out. And then we see what happened on the beach. Yeah. You just blew my mind. It could be it could be really fun. Yeah. Maybe we see trouble council. Then we go back to the beach. And then we have the vote reveal sure we could do that. Yeah. The mental episode votes beginning a beverage episode. Yeah. We like we see somebody who gets vote like oh my God. This person got voted out. How did this happen? And then we see like the whole like three days backwards. Yeah. I think they should they should just do the entire thing. And like the beginning of the episode and everybody coming back from the previous tribal council. Wow. We were really breaking the mold. Yeah. Nobody ever let me at a survivor episodes. I think it would not be a good thing for the show. Maybe they could try this on like a one of these like fan seasons. Maybe survivor Maryland can try this. I yeah. You heard it here. I I think one of the fancies could definitely try something like that. Would give to Austin. Sure. Okay. Jess, I wanna talk a little bit about big, Wendy, the character of big Wendy. This supposed to the show where we talk about the the character and the story, and I really have to say that the character of Wendy, aka big, Wendy is, you know, quickly becoming an all time. Great. She's a fantastic character. She's definitely there is a very particular type of character. She is. And you know, I'm not Angie, I'm not going to shoehorn or into one of my archetypes. But there is a character that keeps coming up, and I think it is to the benefit of the show maybe not to the benefit of the players necessarily. But I think she is bringing some much needed spice into what is otherwise some characters that are maybe not quite as dynamic as they could be. Yeah. Why do you have a bunch of character? Archetypes? I don't have my own character archetypes. No. But I do see this is one I think is kind of emergent. I don't think this is a character that we've had all along. How would you describe it? I would say this is she is along the lines of an abbey Maria in that she is someone that I think. Is not necessarily the strongest strategic mind, right? It is not necessarily out there. Even I would even go back, and like I'd make the comparison to sugar someone who is in there to stir things up and make the show more exciting, in whatever way, she can who is not necessarily focused on winning the game or even necessarily always aware that there is a game going on or she's playing totally different game with totally different rules and someone who is in their big Wendy is all about big Wendy. She's not like she came in here with the intention of freeing, the chickens and causing chaos and turning people against each other. And she doesn't really have a whole lot to say about it being a game for a million dollars. Like that's barely even on her radar. Yeah. Just I'd like to make a comparison already talking about sitcoms with the how I met your mother editors putting together survivor previews. But there's another character that comes to mind when we're talking about big Wendy for me as we're talking about. Okay. Maybe not the greatest strategic mind of our day. Let somebody who has the biggest of hearts and gives their all all the time. And this week. I feel like as I've watched these episodes over and over again when I hear big Wendy talk. I think of Jason Mendoza from the good place. And I want to play a big Wendy clip. And see if you hear it to feeling right now because it's your Beiber is a game of numbers. And these four are tight you would be in trouble. All these people look, very athletic. Don't think we're going to challenge. I loved when she talked about how she has the entire game figured out because she went to three tribal councils, and then hasn't been voted out yet at all. So here's big Wendy. The hadn't been limited so far. So something would be lifting. I feel like if I go with the flow being will workout. Alert. And even when she was going to release the chickens in the episode. Agenda. It was to kill chicken. Then. Jerry. That of relief that chickens their free nicest. Nicest. The only thing missing. From releasing the chickens was screaming Bortles. She needed a molotov. Cocktail. Yeah. But I think that she is such incredible TV. I get it for the players that are out there. This is not fun. But for us at home. I love having this person in the season. Yeah. It's it's an 'nother level of shoddy Friday if you're not getting enough shot and Friday watching people starve, it's like they're also hanging out with big, Wendy, and she's not a mole like she's not trying to be mean. But like her agenda is just not on the same track and the other people that she's out there with rob. If we can talk about bro playing games. Yes. Since we've already brought up survivor, Maryland. I have not I'm not entrenched in the orgy community by any stretch. But I have played in a couple of games and one of the in the game that I have played the game master has a term. He calls chaos player. And he says it something he wishes there'd be more of it on the actual show survivor. But since people actually care about the outcome of the game. You don't get that. But he gets people because it's just like an online thing. And you're playing it on a message board. You get a person in there that just wants to troll everybody all the time. And so they will come in. And they'll just they don't even care about. How far they go. They just want to mess up everybody else's game. And I feel like Wendy, she's not necessarily a malicious person. But she certainly that is her agenda is to go in and mess things up for everybody else. But she isn't out there with the intention of. I'm gonna you know, p in the rice P and the beans or anything like that. I think that if we're going to stay in that role playing world, would you say that is she chaotic good? He's chaotic neutral neutral. Okay. What? I would say chaotic good is someone who still has like there's a moral compass aspect to it. I guess you could make the argument that she is a force for good in the world of the chickens. Yeah. But I would say she's more governed by sheer entropy with very little regard outside of the wellbeing of the chickens. I think I think the chickens are like she can feel a little attached them. But they are more a symbol of something. The tribe wants that she has decided they're not going to have. And it's not I wouldn't say there's evil like she doesn't want people to suffer. She just wants their lives to be more. Interesting. Just you think that a chicken is caught and or eating this week on survivor. I have heard that the chickens are very difficult to catch. Yes. But I would not be surprised if one of the chickens is captured in Eaton and I would. But I would say that the second one of the chickens goes, I think I think it is a blow to Wendy. I think she's going to have a hard time with that. Okay. You think that the chickens give her some sort of a life force? Yeah. I think like cutting down with chickens like diminishes her life force by like a third just other than Joe coming back from extinction. We have not talked too much about the returnees. Do you have a particular favorite returning this season? I think everybody has the same favorite returnee. You do. Well, I think everybody has the same like opposite favorite. But I think. Honestly, I tend toward liking the cerebral players a little bit better. But I would also say that nobody on the David Wright. Kelly went worth tribe is coming off very well because of big Wendy's presence, and this is kind of I'm of two minds with this because I can see two sets of parallels here but Kelly went worthy. Somebody I enjoyed watching very much her second time out, and she is playing really good really strong game where she has to people that think that they are her number one. And she's really she's got a meat shield in another returning player who has no allies left and is kind of a sitting duck. So when they never lose. Again, I'd say David Wright is probably the next person to go. But nobody on that tribe has come off. Well, because they all come off as somewhat bullying of big, Wendy. And it's been really hard to watch that especially in the secret seen from a couple of weeks ago where they were all kind of making fun of her injury. And. It's very hard to tell though because it seems like she is not the most pleasant person to be around. And I think we may be seeing the worst of everybody at that point. Who's a pleasant person be around big me say big Wendy is not the most pleasant person to be around. And I know she's somebody else's problem at the moment. But watching everybody react to her reveal the side of everybody on that tribe. That makes me not want to root for them at all. You didn't feel like David Wright came off as defensive about big Wendy in that clip. He came off as mildly compassionate. I would see and he, but he certainly didn't chaotic neutral. He's not I would almost put him through neutral right there. Yeah. He didn't actually do much to stop anybody. Yes. And it certainly seemed like at the beginning he was laughing along with everybody. And he's like, oh, wait a second. That's no good, which probably not do that. But then they're they don't really stop doing either. And I think he's someone that feels that sort of thing very deeply. But I think also on some level. He is secretly relieved that he is not the person that is the target. Wow. It's survivor. You know, these things that happen in terms of like, you know, bad behavior. There's something that we talk about from time to time in the podcast and even in the pollution of strategy where you don't necessarily act the same way that you would you know, if you see something happening, you know, in your real life, or in your work, or in your school the way that you would on survivor because that you could potentially do the right thing in the game of survivor, and it could be what gets you voted out. And it does become more of a moral dilemma. Yeah, it's true. It's like, you don't know how far you can go to do the right thing before everybody turns on you. Yeah. It does become very middle school at a certain point. And then, but then you look at other people's social media like particular. Really Wendy's new tribe mates have been tweeting about this quite a bit. Where they say. It probably didn't come off. Well, like anybody's reaction to her didn't on the show didn't come off very well. But we're going to list out a few reasons why maybe some of the we may have been provoked, and you do see like old, try mates and nutrient mates all kind of making a point of saying, well when he did this and Wendy did that, and we are can you give some examples of what what what are they saying that she's doing? I believe there is somebody noted that Wendy was eating fish. Okay. And that that seemed hypocritical to them. I mean, I do think that there are a lot of people that make the distinction, but Esca -tarian, I'm not, you know, I'll I'll eat fish. But I don't eat mammals. Yeah. I- chickens are not mammals, rob. What are they? They're birds. Oh, okay. This has been SU all Aji wanna one. See I'm glad I'm going on jeopardy. Okay. I did beat the kiva. You did you. Did. You you end, Melissa. Yeah. I would say you beat him like a loss chicken. Thing. That's. Right. You can for all school you on zoology. That's fine. So that she ate fish. And that drove that drove some of the players crazy that drove some of the players a little bit crazy. I believe Victoria, got into a little think a little weak sauce of hey, she ate fish. So we should eat the chicken, right? And then when they kind of. Gives back as good as she gets at least in the social media realm. Yeah. And there's a giving. Yes, she's giving some of the some of her fellow players nicknames. Which is a little weird. It doesn't seem like it's totally welcome. Why what kind of nicknames? She give out. All right. I'm gonna have to find this now. Okay. I don't want to misrepresent anything anybody is saying. Yes. Okay. So are they mean nicknames or are they like endearing nicknames? Oh, yeah. Here. It is. Okay. She looks like O T bird Cooper, actually started this thread. But yeah, the Torius response to something that t-bird has tweeted his Wendy ate fish at camp and Eric claps back in this conversation. And then big Wendy refers to Victoria, sticky. Vicky why she says I called her that one day when she spilled coconut water on herself. Okay. This is kind of an out of nowhere thing. It does not seem like a particularly the there's not anything fond in this exchange. It's kind of inexplicable. Victoria, does not like sticky. Vicky. I do not see her responding to it at all. And it seems like in a world where this is happening. I feel like someone calls me by my nickname that somebody has given me out on the island. I'm going to be like, oh LL. Yeah. Remember that time I spilled coconut water on myself. But no, there's none of that. There's really no response whatsoever. And it doesn't feel to me like the Tory is necessarily in on the joke, and they're like nudging each other. Well, you know, what big Wendy is making good TV. And so as right now, I stand with big Wendy. Yeah. I I like her as TV I I think it'd be hard not to like her as TV, but everybody likes good TV that it's right there in the name -posedly. Good TV is good. It's taller g. But I'm just not sure like the way the story is being told it is very hard for me to tell what is actually going on out there. And it's not I think Wendy is less of a scrappy underdog than the show may want us to this -sarily believe, and I also think she's probably not nearly as unpleasant as the rest of her tribe mates may have believe the answer is somewhere in the middle. And a lot of this, of course, is being elevated for drama, but that is a long tangent past your question to me, which is who is your favorite return. Which I never really answered. But by who? Process of elimination. I feel like that. It's opry. It's gotta be Opry. And I think Aubrey is someone who's played like she is a very strong player who gets kind of the short end of the deal every time she goes out there and plays and this time around we haven't really seen much from her yet because she has not gotten that. And she says she thrives on chaos. But it's nice that she's not in the middle of chaos for once and she gets to coastal bit. I feel like she has earned this. Okay. We'll see. She's got the idol seems like she's an okay spot. I was definitely worried about her for a bit. I think after what was it the second episode. I think that that was the rough one for Aubrey. So we'll see if she can hang in there throughout the rest of the swamp, and ultimately through the merge, just any other topics that you wanna cover. Well, I didn't wanna talk a little bit. I think one of the difficult things about this season as a whole. Is that with the introduction of extinction island? In other seasons. There are characters on the show that you may not have gotten to know in episode one. But as people get weeded out and the field of competition goes down, you have more time with everybody on the whole, and you get to know everybody and with extinction island. Nobody is truly gone, and you don't have that. Right. And so I'm finding that they're doing a pretty good job overall with a lot of personalities in the mix, and there's most of the people I feel like I have a good handle on. But then there's a handful of people. I'm just like, oh that person is here. And it's because they're on tribes that keep winning and because they're not germane to any piece of strategy. That's going on. But you look around in every so often like, oh, there's an Eric on the show. I forgot about that guy. There's a roar of the show a Gavin. Really? There's a Gavin kind of kind of guys that he has a great shirt. That's all I know about him. Yeah. No, it's it's been tough that, you know, I think that Julia has gotten the most attention about the, you know, lack of presence in the edit, but there's almost you know, that whole tribe of returnees with the exception of Ron who we've seen a lot of. And you know, Victoria has been somewhat of a narrator of what's going her tribes? But there's a whole group of people that we don't know a lot about. Yeah. And of course, here's something. I wanted to ask you about rob. Because I feel like you've been watching this show as long as I have and us, you know, about it than almost anybody. I know. And I don't have any numbers to run to back this up. But I wanna know was this always the case like did the early seasons. Do a better job of this. Or are we putting a rosy glow on it? Were there always was there always a character to that got lost in the shuffle? And that could go several episodes without us hearing anything from them. That's a great question. Just and I actually I do believe that the earlier seasons did do a better job of this from the gecko. Now that was a lot of reasons for this one we had seasons that had sixteen people for the early goings, and then later on eventually, we got to eighteen people before we get to, you know, these giant casts of, you know, twenty people we didn't have like the idea of the returning players eating up time. But also the. The all the hunting for the hidden immunity idol, I do think also comes at the expense of some of the, you know, camp life where we're getting to know people. And so I I know that most of the focus has been on oak confessionals, how many confessionals do people have. But I think that there were more scenes in the early going where you would see, you know, two or three people talking, and it they were on screen, you saw them, and it wasn't necessarily like you were doing the running count of how many times were they you being shown them in their interview. So I do think that the early seasons did a better job with that. In terms of just there was just more camp life, and you've got to see people talking about themselves and interacting with the other people in the tribe because of the, you know, abundance of camp life as opposed to other things that were doing during the course of the. Sewed? And also there was less game, talk and strategy. So, you know, there might be a little bit of talk about the vote before tribal council, but I think that throughout the majority of the episode. It was a lot about the interpersonal dynamics in the conflict of among the group about different subjects that may not have necessarily pertain to the vote. That's interesting. I would say that is about where I had was out with ninety percent of that it hadn't occurred to me that the idol would be such an important factor in taking away screen time. But I think you're right about that. And it's been a long time for me. I haven't watched like a single digit season of survivor in a very long time. I think the last time I revisited an episode was probably like four or five years ago. So I wonder if my head they kind of play out is a little bit slower paced and a little bit more meditative with regard to getting to know everybody, and of course, some of those early boots desert seasons. I can name them like that. And. I struggled to remember people that made the merge from the last five seasons. Yeah. I do think that survivor, you know, in modern day survivor. I think that if somebody is playing an under the radar game. I do think that they tend to get lost in the shuffle. If they're not like a big personality big character. And then also that they're sort of playing a more quiet game. I do think that the show defaults more to like, okay? Well, we'll show you when something is going on. But we're going to lean on the people who are really moving the action. Yeah. That that seems very true. And I think the biggest example that recently is probably laurel versus Dominic and Wendell. I think laurel probably played perfectly fine strategic game. And she probably made plenty of moves and did a lot behind the scenes, but because she was so low key it came off as she hadn't done anything. And she was barely there. Well, in the case of laurel, actually, I thought that laurel was, you know, very much out in front in terms of the edit. I've no idea what the confessional accounts were on. Laurel? You know, they were telling a story where ultimately laurel is going to be the zero vote finalist. I thought that the better example of that in the season is Chelsea in go silent and probably to a lesser degree. Libby. And I think that there is certainly a thing that survivor, especially I think has. As a, you know, throb, mom and problems, probably the wrong word. But I think that they struggle to edit young women who come into the game that aren't big loud personalities who are playing under the radar. And I think that when you go through the seasons when we talk about who's purple that usually is a young woman who's in her twenties who is not allowed personality who's playing and under the radar game. And those are the people that tend to get lost in the shuffle. And I don't know necessarily what you can do other than, you know, consciously try to you know. Emphasize them. But with these big casts, that's who it always ends up being the person who ends up drawing, the short straw terms of the I think that's a very good point. And that's something that certainly if you take the list, like confessional counts as you've mentioned is not they be all end all of this. But if you look at confessional count, and you look at like, they conventional counts per episode, and like the bottom fifty I wouldn't forty five of those are women, especially young women. Yeah. Especially young women. And it is it is kind of a frustrating thing. And I note no, I think some of it is certainly how women are socialized in how a good game play. From woman is different from good game play from a man just because of the way that many women are differently socialized. And I think also some of it is casting. I think it. It is definitely on casting. When they cast a dud. It's almost always a woman who is probably perfectly personable and find a hang out with in real life. But maybe they're trying to fill this particular niece at the expense of bring someone in who's a really over the top personality who really pops on camera, and I would really like to see more women with really like who are able to stick up for themselves and speak out like that. I would say Angelina is a great example of a younger woman who has a definite world veer definite personality. And I want an Angelina that doesn't get the overwhelming. Shrill edit Angeline, somebody who really struggled to get on the show that was she was not somebody who they were looking for at that at that particular point in time. Right. She. Kind of broke the mold. Yeah. I definitely think they are looking for more Angelina that she made an impression that we need more people who are as outspoken as she is on the show. I also do think that to a lesser degree. I do think that you have this in terms of like young guys also. But I think that they probably have a chance to shine in the challenges. But you have like your JP Hilsa Beck's who are out there who are sort of like, okay, let's get some hot guys on this season. And then it turns out that they don't have anything too much to say. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I was thinking whenever I remember that there's an Eric on the show. Like, oh, that's the guy with the JP Hilsa backup side. Yeah. So it's a very complicated story when we talk about these things like, you know, the screen time, and you know, how alternately being portrayed, and I also feel like, you know, that the people that have all the footage and know the story of where this is going people that are putting the show together. So I trust that again, they are giving us the best stuff and the most important stuff any that's always the hope certainly there's no shortage of good stuff. We hope not. We hope not certainly getting a lot this season. I think on and one of the nice things about extinction island. And I think something that earlier seasons have suffered from is. Sometimes if there's a really great personality and someone that's really good at cause some friction that person gets voted out real early, and they go to Ponderosa, and we never see them again. The nice thing about extinction island is we get to have someone like bream around all the time. Whereas she was destined to be the first boot on any season. Yeah. It was gonna be her, Wendy, and they put them both on the same tribe to ensure that would get one of them for at least, two episodes. They have extinction island. So we can have them both for a very long time. And I'm here for it. I love me, some rain. All right. Just we still have a lot to do in terms of the Awan Dauth. So this is anything else that you want to? Get out there. I wanna start to move towards our big week for you on the wand off. I am pretty much. This revival. Talk is a bonus. I'm really only here for the one off. Okay. Good. What we have two good survivor talk. But before we get to the wand off. I wanna take a moment. Thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast. 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Just like my idea of good time is not locked in a room and tell me I can't leave. There you go. Just as and minal being if you need to you can say leave your lipid making happy rest of my life. If you'd shut the circle Ben just take your. You can. The wand off. I get so pumped up week four e. The wand off things your can never leave. Yes. I guess what? Everybody you're locked in the room. And it's the wand off year for week number for this would be a down week for the wand off just because sort of like, you know, whole-home Ribot council, maybe not that much going on. Maybe people were sort of just a burnt out on the chickens season, high forty submissions on the wand off this week. I feel like everybody sort of thought. Lackluster tribal council equals, maybe fewer wand off entries equals larger field of competition. We can get in there. You might have a better chance of making the finals and everybody did it. So it just it kind of paradoxically many entries. Lot of entries. So they're all up on the soundcloud. Rob has a podcast patrons are going to all ready have them at the time of the release of this podcast, so special thanks to Randi new poll for putting them all together. Let's talk about the old business. Just we had our week three one off and the results are in for a week number three on the wand off. Okay. In third place with the polka rearrangement of the cranberries, the twenty point eight. A two percent of the vote J D And Leah. -gratulations third place. Okay. Another close vote this week less than two percentage points separate the winner and second place of the Wanda from last week. Unfortunately, Liana Boris was not exactly a profit on the RHA p BNB when she did mad libs with Mike and the first lady of podcasting and predicted that on this week in rob is a podcast the winning song on the wand off would be a parody of Arianna 'Grande seven rings. And that's on came in second place with twenty seven point eight nine percent of those Danny with one end that is a crazy story though. Because I had not listened to the RG BNB at the time that Leon said that in the mad libs. And it blew my mind after I did the one off with Josh before it had been posted. And then I listened to the Wanda. How did she know this? Let's the on. It is Danny with one end. I it's not a stretch to think that somebody might do an REO Arianna 'Grande song in film. I'm still amazed. Great job there by Liana. And then in first place with twenty nine point twenty nine percent of the vote a man who has gone back to back with one off winds. It's Mr. Alex g. Here's the thing. It was said and one the reward, but I heard mullet. Yeah. Yeah. We got some chick gone chicken coop. All right. Great job by Alex g who has won consecutive one-off snot easy to do. Amazing. Does he get any kind of special hat for that? Or all the special hats gone. No, especially not gone yet. I think right now he's on his second black had here of the young season. So there, of course, you can vote all week long at rob has website that com slash vote. Wanda where the tabulates is standing by to tally your votes for the week forty one off unless of course, a bringing the host of the wand off the great, Casey Kasem. Rob. And Josh it's a pleasure to be here with you for week four of the one off Casey we went we went over this that Josh is not here this week. Wait, I must have missed him MO. I'm sorry. Who's this? Casey. It's okay. I understand because Josh and I look so much alike. It's really hard to tell the difference between us, I know that voice. I've would know it anywhere. It's the great Jessica lease certainly is Casey. I'm so happy to hear from you. Anybody should be. Because that I am not of this universe. I love what I get to reach through the sale and speak to someone from the great beyond. It makes me feel so special. Jess if you don't like being locked in someplace, and that's not your idea. A good time. The afterlife is definitely not going to be your thing. I'm gonna try not to ever die. Then. Let's get into honorable mentions for this week's one off. We're going to start off with a Wanda. I never before as the spouse of the voted out contestant sent in a off. And here she is back again here is becka Devon's end of tribal votes. Looking good to me the Niessen. Rick. He grabs the toys. Sure, james. On. No more often. They voted way mobbing. Faking cry. They can say it was time. Seymour dog. Ted is trying to crane. He can live in a world that Jeff. He made them grim charming. He's Devin a you kick him out. He has to go the with a greenery. A million REEs, go and. Million reasons why dad in the game. That was a song from the film, the greatest show Mance. Of course, it was it's beautiful. And are we in this world where spouses of former contestants can submit Wanda entries? Are we that far from the day when actual contestant submits a wand off entry? Yeah. Case just could you imagine? If I went back on survivor, you think that Nicole would send in any wand offs. I think Nicole would try to pretend that you were never coming back. All right. Rob. Let me this is my part of the show, and I'm still going. We've got another are will mention all about Mr. Rick Devon's going out of the game this week. This is Adam from Australia. With. News. Tribal. That was a hit from the great artist Blenda Karl on exile. I'll. AC boo. That's fantastic. I admire the enthusiasm that went into that one. Did you ever see the black mirror episode where it turned out that those two ladies were on the edge of extinction? The whole time I feel like we are well overdue for a black mirror. Survivor episode. Next up. We're going to talk about the new tribe after the swap. Here comes a song from Jason Lee. It's time to drop. Some news servive, but this won't be much of a swamp. The green as the one depicted except for. Chickens. He's calling. Funny bird still on drive to me. That was a classic hit by the artist. Billy, Joel Anderson. I also known as truck truck one owing. Yes. The station which this podcast can be heard on. Yeah. I feel like that stations. Got so much more fodder than it back when it premiered. Next up. We've got a first time so mission from a pair of Wanda off collaborators it's data. And Dr Amanda talking about war dog. It's the aiding single. Sworn and the big win the. Straight off the beach. With return me sit around a campfire where we earn three dropped you're up swap in with dubs. How'd you vote movie? David Devon's front, a swing and idol in the mix tribal council with two different sides worth David. Hike to get though. Right. Brickland come in with the Twitter about a block. He when Newt with my home team, strong, get my war on in on welcome to earn. Find a parchment on campus. Sue built a new abode trying to make it to the next episode. Now was a classic hit from Dr Drey heard and snoop. Lord, of course, and happy birthday to Dr Amanda, what a what a birthday present. That is. Next up. Just we're about to get into our chicken song segment of the honorable mentions. We'll kick it off with Droubi open things up. Chickens. You. Two chickens from anew. We need from you. That was the theme beloved kids show. Scooby dooby doo. Kim sister of so Kim who was cut from survivor, San Juan del sur definitely not scoop in dooby doo. Definitely not that is cancelled. Even though the voice of shaggy is especially lovable the voice of shaggy really got nothing bad to say about that. Due camera France on the one I love bear technicalities that certainly is one. Next up a newcomer to the one of who's been red hot of lately, here's full Murphy. Talking about the chickens. That was a heavy metal jam from the group towel flicker Smith. Wow. That's fantastic. And I've got a I've got to go put my feet up because I have a feeling we are not remotely done with the chicken segment. We're definitely not done with the chickens. Here's Bob with two Bs talking more about you. Guessed it, the poultry. Vic station, the blue at some chickens to this agreement fervent fireball, Wendy, and seemingly for no reason, she weighed cap in Burgi and their proclaimed her poultry policy, we should the rice. I would suffice. I've been vegan for about eight days. We'll we're talking Wendy. She was resolute. She turned to us. And this is what you said. Oh, no death for the chickens. I think I'd like to set them free. Ankles in splints, but I still get to Flint walkaway, China casually. This heist. No next slice jail feeling. Good. No deaths for the chickens and I'll pin. This are croissant. Now is a song from the group cage the elephant dung. Edo? Sometimes you hear a song in the honorable mentions. And you're like what must be out there in the top five. If was better than this that feels like it got robbed. It was a jam packed week here in the Wanda forty submissions, and we have to make some tough calls. I guess so those tough calls are made by me, Casey Kasem, definitely not made at all by rob sister. Nino who's standing by twiddling his thumbs you're doing the Lord's work, Casey Kasem. We've got one more song about the chickens, and it comes to us by our eleven year old one-off, standout the amazing Macy. Eating rice more Jhelum Matt trying to sound big. She's getting. Who? What a great job there by the artist. Carrie, Chris Underwood on that one was right there right for picking. We're all done talking about the chickens here and herbal mentions. And now you're disappointed. Well, hold on. We now need to give some equal time to calm tribe. And here is Phil t. Filthy talking about the lack of what we've seen from comma. Although. Sorry that was boy Taj, George it's weird to me that nobody has done that one yet. We only get that song about three different ways every single week. Yeah. That that sounds more procreate. Filty did a great job with it there. And he certainly next up is one that I have to say, I'm not especially proud of. But because of this person's contribution to the greatest social media moment in history survivor will allow it here is Jimmy up dog Clifton. Done. Yes. I thought that I should be. He said, what's? For the Joe. I don't think you're allowed to make up a song about your own social media triumph. That would be like a survivor contestant writing a wand off entry about yourselves or getting their spouse to do it. That is the most on brand Wanda thing that's ever happened. I feel like this is like this is like a robo of. Of self referential wand off social media survivor things it's self devouring serpent of references. I don't even know how all folding on it self, and it's one heavy snake? Yeah. It is some. Of course, that's on was performed by the Haytham, man. Eight was it was it really. Hey, man. Sure. Casey case was a specially proud of that one. I don't break your arm. Pat yourself on the back case, maybe I'll make a one-off about it for next week. I I hope you get twelve of them next week. But hey, man, next up. We're going to close out our honorable mentions with something for all you stranger heads out there. Here's Becky and Taylor talking about what's going on over on the edge. Was so. Neff into. Jeff Probst just gotta be like it need some kind of. About pond. The show. This twist. Right. Witter? Is gonna tell. Frigging holiday. Fees. Not in good graces here we are. That was the theme two perfect strangers performed by its stars. Mark, the chicken Lynn, Baker and Braun Sandra pinch show. Sounds about right. This is the spin off. I didn't know I needed and hype for the TV theme song bracket is getting palpable. I I was already at an eleven and now I'm at twelve. Jess, do you think you can still handle hearing the top five songs and all of wombat nation. Well, got my hands off the table. I'm ready to have it wash over me like waves on the beach. First up. We have a bit of an apology and retraction from last week. We had on newcomer to the Wanda top-five who because of a clerical error by myself Casey Kasem that did not end up getting into the top five. It comes to us from the wand of newcomer Rebecca from Seattle. And so as an apology, here's a little bit of last week's one of entry from Rebecca from Seattle. Choice says Jeff at the reward. You choose chickens, and you bring them back on your own accord, and Wendy's limping and you're gonna start up the fire. We don't care about the eggs. The meat is what we desire to. Bendy says draw near she says, I love my twelve piece nuggets. But I draw my here to tell the war dog if he says, he's got beef. I just became a vegetarian. I scared him. Four dogs start it di- don't tell or dog, Wendy me. So I apologize JIRA Becca for not getting that song into the wand off top five, but no apology is necessary for this week because Rebecca is back with another song about the birds from the edge of extinction. Here's Rebecca from Seattle. If I were hen. I would shut up. Has literally one job stay the walk own way from the camp. If I were. I'm on a company by men French fries. If I were. How? Respect. By. With the truck to save us. It's. We don't. But Wendy has overestimated our cognitive ability. Song that hit an educational to that comes to us from be no-win say aka Nayan say. I love it. This is the person that should be giving you do all g lessons. Rob. If you're out there listening while you're twiddling your thumbs like go, call her up at Harrison, you some songs about whether chickens are birds or mammals. Rebecca seems to know a lot of that chickens and hens. Indeed, she does I and I am a sucker anytime. There is profanity is creatively. Bleeped? That's my humorous sweet spot. Next up. We've got the champion from survivor. David versus Goliath, wand off who's walking around rocking, a Wanda off jacket in Waterloo. Canada here is met with a song about the comet tried. Realme jew. Come with me. Weaking? We stick with me to your. The two of us still or I have in new ground and who rose. Joe would you? This draft the other now pretend to take your or. As long as we stay. Well. Julia chicks. Why don't you? Browns. Think we again agree that you'll get some more TV? Until that happens. You will you come. That was the stylings of read and Josh Turner. Of course, it was. Jess next up. We're going to go back to talking about this week's voted out survivor. Rick Devon's and I believe for the first time in the top five in season thirty eight we've got DJ Lebel Kline winner of the season thirty five one off. Here's DJ bell Kline. You have to do this Joe from the extinction. Dole made me this. We share this tink shin. Rick counting on you all of us guys with the waistline into since a chick of to have we had a chance to make up our whole. Our whole cue have to represent. Ballet. Yeah. Visible. Or overrated come on. That was hit for Jatiya Taylor swift. Wow. I think the dad Bod community is probably feeling really blood and represented right about. As they should next up. Just I have to issue parental. Advisory for anyone who's listening to the one off with young children. Here is a first time pairing between Phil tea and Jenny autumn. Talking all about Wendy letting out the chickens. We would be. Thanks. Jay. Win off the black shroud brick kickin Morris. Let him walk this round. Everybody on the pride fop player of four players coming with went on our restaurant. Jim bitter. Implicit many big speaker don't like that so home, we stop and listen, Wendy, stay away from chicken. I'm still out still. You won't have it gets. He's through results of this walk. I'm still out. No matter where you go. You won't gets. Being on the stealing Flint aubrey's list of new chicks. You just with stay grounded. Hasha? The trap gun. D no me for these comedy, chickens. Let yourself threes things through to the swat. I'm still out too. The results of the swat on still. Chicken drinking. Get some. Three. That was an older hit for Jennifer Maloney. Lopez. Whenever you say, parental advisory. I become very concerned, especially when you're saying it's a song about Wendy, and the chickens friend advisory. I don't know where to go with it. But that was surprisingly tame the chickens themselves. Okay. That's good. That's good. Happy to hear it. Our fifth and final entry into the top five songs all of one that nation. Is from a man who is on fire in the wand off. He's one to Wanda off back to back and could be the first person to ever win the wand off three weeks in a row. It's never been done. Here is Alex g with a song all about ream out there on the edge. A g. I want everybody to stop what they sing. Now, you know yo- with somebody that you go send the hotel bream tonight. Make some. Me too. Go into the hotel. Grab the torch for hotel room. You're on your way to to get to old tribe and meet me at the hotel ring. You can bring Rick Devon's me. He enjoyed this knife boat, ride and. Every victim. Fail tail. We. Oh, the thing this thing. No hope tail moat fail. We had the game. Edge of the ad. Thing. Have enough. They got in a boat and they're running out. They kept above their nasty all the shelter or food except for some. Extinction tonight, Keith almost left. He's not all right. And they don't even have time nine till wins. Go make them have a miserable time one just one did not have fun. All of a sudden, there's two there's two remain keep from blue. And there was going to be three Chris three Christmas Hayes by ream. It's going to be four. Rick four daring. To fail. We at the edge. Oh, the thing this thing no hope to fail. We free king. Pink. Freaking extinction. Screed? And that was a hit jam for pit bull. -posedly? It's not the the the war pit bull. He goes by many names. I guess so he's legion. Jess voters can go ahead and go to rob has a website dot com slash vote. One to cast their folk tabulated will be counting votes and throwing out all of the voter regularities. Especially those from the city of cherry hill, New Jersey. You know, I haven't thought of cherry hill New Jersey, so often since the days of Harold Kumar go to white castle. Harold incurred Clark go to white castle. Kirk Clark is a foodie he's not going to be caught dead in a white cat. Beyond the lookout for music videos. Courtesy of Jason Curtis Rothera as well. And of course, the wand off sand cloud playlist all forty songs from this week Casey's top forty are going to be available to you on a website dot com slash patron for all of the patrons of rob has a podcast. Jess what a week. It's been weak forty in Oahu off until next time. Keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. Wow. Casey case, I wanna miss that guy. Around. He's around. Okay. Well, Jess Kampe can't believe it. We're four weeks into the wand off already historic season in the wand off record submissions. Yeah. Four we've had forty we've had like somewhere in the fifties. I feel like in the past. But you know, that I think we probably have to wait for something real monumental to happen in the season. Yeah. You really need something on the scale of jackets and eggs. Yeah. I think that that was probably somewhere in that area. We have to go check the archives. Okay, chess. What else before we close out the survivor week? I well, this was just a fantastic week. There's so much going on. I feel like every night. I'm sitting down to podcast with you or with others. Okay. Well, good. We're keeping you busy. Of course. If you haven't been following the Walking Dead podcasts over to post show. Recaps Justin I talking about. This week's episode of the walk down all the episodes of the Walking Dead. Over on postal gets. Jess is also covering Star Trek discovery with Mike bloom and sometimes Angela blue I've got the whole bloom family involved. I I'm just waiting for their child to be born. So I can get the child involved. Get the get the baby on the podcast people love that people love Davidson podcasts. Yeah. Of course, just very exciting week here coming up on survivor. We've got the double episode coming up on Wednesday night. So look for the survivor know, it alls one hour later, Stephen fish back, and I will be live at ten fifteen pm. Eastern time to talk about whatever happens in our to our block are double episode for the season coming up this Wednesday night. I'm going to speak to gap peice Cousy on the podcast on Thursday to talk about everything that happens in the double episode, and then I will speak with Nick don's in the robbers guests feedback show this week. That's an action packed week jam packed week. Of course, you could follow Jessica lease on Twitter. She is at haymaker Hattie. Jess anything else. You wanna say before we close this out tonight? Well, thank you for having me back to the wiggle room. Rob I've kind of appointed myself the official like first mate of this crazy ship. I'm so delighted whenever Josh is not here. So I can take over his spot. But you guys do amazing work. It's the highlight of my week every week which is a very hard thing to explain to people that are not in this universe. And so to be on here is a real honor. It is a true privilege and Jervis in everyone. Thank you. Well, great show tonight. Just a lot of fun going through everything with you. Hope you guys had fun listening to we will be back with more survivor on a Wednesday night news, af I think is going to be one day late this week referring on Wednesday mornings to be on the look at that too. 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Amazing Race 31 Episode 10 Recap & Exit Interview

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1:55:33 hr | 2 years ago

Amazing Race 31 Episode 10 Recap & Exit Interview

"The. Everybody what's gonna robs this. Reno back here with our amazing race exit interview in recap. Jessica lease and Mike bloom are standing by for the recap episode number ten, but we're gonna do up. I is that we're going to talk to the most recently eliminated team before we get into the recap. And I'm very sad to say that, that is going to be teamed fun, beckoned Floyd eliminated. Once again, on leg, number ten and they are on the line with me to talk about it. So let's go ahead and patch them in beca and Floyd. Are you there? I can't wait to tell Brennan, Chris that we got to talk to the real life. Faces you guys get to really very sad to see you guys go out on the amazing race. I'm big fans of yours that I, I really love the energy that you guys bring to the show. And even in a defeat other than when Becca said she was going to throw an egging the guy's face. I thought you throw a hand real. Well. He didn't go. I also want to say I'm holding that a one of our listeners, Arielle has sent me. I have a fun meter here. So I'm setting it only at fun right now even though I'm talking to you. Bye sad. To see you guys out of the race to grow. Yes. Okay. So what really was the issue was the biggest stumbling block? The fact that you guys couldn't find where the detour was supposed to be. Like twenty twenty but there really like a chain of events that day wholesome it went to to, you know what happened. I, I don't know like any one of those mistakes could have hopefully saved us. So I yeah, I took us forever after the club. We basically based on like a map. We read, we didn't look at the most efficient trail and ended up taking the super roundabout way. If you like the entire Dutch countryside, to like calif- when it would have been easier just to kind of, like bike, a mile or still up the main road so that constant thirty minutes right there and then besides that, and then ultimately the head cracking and not checking the we had a pretty good lay, and we were told that we also finished fifteen minutes behind the colon Victor so you know you start playing game and your headlight. You could've made up minutes, there minutes there. And obviously the two big mistakes made which was trying to find the detour and the crack that I would have covered that deficit. So, yeah. Yeah. Beck. I wanna talk about this because I really felt that I was one hundred percent on your side about throwing a in the guy's face, because I mean there that was such a minor hairline crack, if I was in the grocery store, and I opened the eggs, and I saw crack, I still by that, that doesn't eggs. I agree. I actually he's he said, I can't because the conversation went longer than that he said, I can't sell this, and I said, no, I will sell this egg right now. I was like about to go Marquette this egg on the streets to the, to the market, people ready to sell this egging. And they're like, no. That's like that's not acceptable. It's just can. I cannot accept this was the bottom line. Yeah. I was real ticky tack, so very, very unfortunate that you guys got nailed on that. What, what about being a u-turn by Nicole in Victor, any hard feelings for them? You turning the two of you or that's just life on the amazing race. I mean. Supply. Yeah. It was the most like moved to do. Yeah. Because they knew they were behind the pack, and they never on them. So yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So what, what is it about leg number ten Floyd that is such a problem for you guys leg number ten cursed? We're now we're not saying that aren't tonight or that occurs a coincidence. But I also really what I can say this time not really like the downfall like a lot of motions and a lot of in the moment, a lot of momentum that was cashing up our thoughts and a lot of banks energy that we weren't processing dupes, just strength eventually causing us to really push forward, especially after we had been u-turn, so not. And I mean I you know, I talk about in the first on twenty nine I think some of the I don't think of a bit different. I felt differently this time but I know on the shrimp trout bicycle, you know, there's a lot of desire to stay ahead of the pack and a lot of deniers not disappoint back. You know, stress and I thought you passing the on their bikes cosmonauts, same rationally, not Trump's on and not, you know, try to ride the bike, and sit conserve my energy. Right. So like. It was it was the same kind of anxious and stress energy and express itself, in a different way, that kind of eventually shifted us as when I was. Yeah. I know the brakes didn't go your way in this leg of the race. But I thought that you guys did incredibly well in this season and really were dominant at times along the way that there were so many tasks at seem to be playing to your strengths. Z guys have any particular favorite moments from this season. Thinks that I know I can go back to that one of my happy places even though, like I love the Alps and this Westerlund leg, just joyously. It doesn't even feel like it was an amazing race like just a really fun day. It did amazing race like, but the Vietnam challenges is definitely one of my happy places of just experience. Dance troupe in the glow, suits and seeing be a rock star on karaoke, y-. I was just I, I can't really track very, many experiences in my life where I felt that overwhelmingly full of joy. And and like happiness and excitement and just feeling it just feels so good to feel like you're like crushing the game and like heavy good time like all those things happening at the same time is just like dream opponent him upon dreamlike blasting out, and it's so fun to be able to watch that and share that with. So many millions of viewers as well. Yeah. Well what about for you Floyd? I mean pretty much the same thing. Yeah. That'd be pretty was pretty crazy. The starting line with really crazy. I it was stressful. But wealth like we're here like these other reality TV legends. There's Tyler and Corey, like, oh my gosh, is gonna be also I guess, for me really another really cool leg was due by not only because, you know, we crush it again off, I but all. I literally had like looking reading about the burst people like a week or two before before the race. And like all of a sudden, I was like they're seeing it. So I was just one of those moments like I'm like I'm seeing something I've always like junior going to and be by really cool. But yeah, pretty much anytime. We really I mean, whether or not we were crushing challenges or not every country has a little something that's just so memorable might make another is just to like echo again. We get so involved in and caught up in, like the race and the challenges, and like the country's experience with that, but another huge part like four just said, is the people that you get to meet on this show. It's like what an eclectic unique group of humans that not only we get to see on a race level under stress, but like on just a really human level getting to connect with variety of different people with different perspectives. And so, I think that is actually a really, really. Viable thing in seeing being like onscreen with Rupert who, like the timeless man who we I watched when I was like a child on provider. And now we're like sharing TV screen that was by. Rupert fan. Driver amazing race growing up. Yeah. That was that was the evening gigs. Was there one team or two in particular that you guys are, especially close with? Yes. I would I would say, I think Floyd probably agree with this. I'm definitely closest with calling and Christie and Tyler Corey, we've also shared some experiences post-race that have brought us closer together. And, and Chris Brandt also of we got them multiple times. And. Jal video. I've been really, really inter- much after the race. But you always jokingly, we like in the middle of the leg or airports, he'd be like, Nope. No. Folks on every all the time. Like I really do. Yeah. I think he's a cool guy. Like, I'm I'm hoping I can I this year the in the near future? You fill mentioned it on the mat. The special relationship that the two of you have. I'm curious outside of the amazing race. How much interaction do you guys tend to have? None. We hated just kidding. For this show. Yeah. No, we have I mean because he's dating everyone. Oh, yeah, right. Congratulations. We're not. Joke. But people think to actually we're not bathing. We both live in boulder. We like to watch the show together, re recaps together, but we've also started to, like, like trying to take like, who we are the next level. So we actually gave our first speech to youth leadership conference. I think it was like two weeks ago, and we're actually like really enjoy public. Speaking, and sharing our story on a deeper level. So he's so that's causing us to get closer professional. But also like a personal. That'd be like, dive deeper. So now we very much hang out. And, you know, we both obviously live differ, lives have to interest, but we still we still have some similarity that makes friends. Yeah, that's cool. Eight terms of the beat boxing age, the wrapping how much preparation goes into that. Do you guys rehearse or is everything just on the fly? Style. Wrapping. Yeah. We do. We did work on a rap during the race that we like that we could, like remember the legs, and what happened or definitely helped me remember them Floyd remember them, regardless, but it also it's just a fun way to like fill time during waiting time. But I think every single leg interview or pets up interview we had. They said, why we close it off with freestyle. And so they only aired a couple of them. It's yeah, it's just a way we have the process to connect to, to just express some energy in a fun and creative way, when, you know, everything else is like stressful. There's no preparations we do it for all comes out. Did people were you impressed with Phil's performance? A when he was free styling with you, too. Very much. He'll go back. Time. Yeah. Go like I respect that so much of just been many situations where I've, you know, we've said okay, like what freestyle and people are like, oh, no definitely not. Or like, okay, maybe I'll try Bill is just like okay kick. Me that beat. Let's go. Very much his no opportunity, wasted fills mentality as he's as he lives by and conspiring with do you to think that there could be a third time out on the amazing race in the cards? A lot of three time amazing race teams. Yeah. I mean, if they're not, well, if they want to help us back, we'll do it, my theory is that they're not gonna do another returning rates for several years. And I think that's like, I'm you know, fair I think, and still really wanna see new number is not agree with that. But if they wanna have dock and people want us back there. There are a lot who do they don't lot don't but we will. Yeah. I think very much be in the future. Keep your mind is there anything in particular that you guys still that you need to work on to come back and do the amazing race. Again. Yes. Yes. Learning how to maintain a sense of calm. I mean, I think that's like so many humans are trying to do that in life in general in food. I remember conversation where we were just talking about, like, okay if we really want to be able to stay calm and like be loving and show up in the way we wanna show up on the race. We have to really start to integrate that into our daily life, so that it's not like okay races here. Let's remember all the principles we want for the race. It's like this is something we, we want to integrate into our lives like, how do we work, more collaboratively? How do we L leverage our strength more and identify our weaknesses and communicate more clearly about what we need and? Yeah. Like figure out how to tap into a calm place when things are feeling out of control. And that's something I teach all the time in rock climbing, but it's harder to apply for me to the race because I really, really competitive. Well, whatever, Colin and Christie, we're able to do it. Seems like that. They're able to go from whatever Colin was way back when to super then. Yeah. Marshall. Yeah. Yeah. I like the reality. Yeah. That doesn't happen overnight, and no one should expect overnight. But I respect that they that experience and just turned it. It's like use it to benefit themselves and inspire others. We'll, we'll definitely all that example. Continue that boy is there anything that you guys don't like about the amazing race. I don't know. You turn. How many times got both u-turns? Yeah. Record. I'm not sure what I think it might. But well I'm not a big fan of head to head not necessarily for the same reason that maybe all other fans are saying which I agree with that, everyone, who does like heads. I agree with their knowledge Moore's just like I it's not it's not really fun to live had heads. They're just like it's just such news. Meek stressor the race that never this before. So yeah, though could go be happy about that. Okay. I got to run to do more interviews. Can you tell the listeners how to check out the recaps that you guys do and, and everything else, you guys are working on? Thank you for that predate that. Yeah. We all have been doing recap and are hoping to do more videos on our YouTube channel team fund on YouTube, and then we also have a website, fun stoppable with enough dot com where we've been selling submerged. We actually just got socks fun stoppable socks in, which are super awesome. And portion of the proceeds go to give kids the world or which is a nonprofit that sure support families with life threatening illnesses. And so we got fun of meter shirts and socks there. And then most mostly were really trying to leverage. The speaking gigs of anyone wants Floyd and back to come speak at any event. We we've been working on a speech and would love to set that up and then. Yeah. Instagram Becca underscore beat box Floyd j p. Three because he's a third. Yeah. Well hope that we can chat again sometime in not just on an exit interview. Okay. All right. Take care. That I know you will have fun. Okay. Dick air five. All right. Let's get to our recap of this week's episode of the amazing race and let's bring in the panel up. First, she is our age AP chief amazing race. Correspondent, please welcome back. Jessica lease just how are you doing? Great. Rob, and gosh. Dammit. I'm excited to cover this episode. Yes. Very excited to get into this second to last week of the amazing race with a man who did not get a week off last week. Here he is give it up for Mr. Mike blue. I'm so excited Rob's. Do this podcast, the Dutch way nine tireless. Sure, what that is. But we're gonna say a lot, and we're going to really emphasize the Dutch way. Yeah. I did love the sort of panel of I guess they were supposed to be vaulting experts. But it just seemed like a panel of color-coordinated Dutch people standing around proclaiming. What was the Dutch way? And what was not the Dutch way to be fair. The Dutch way still involves apparently getting pretty soaked. And that's still being Dutch. Yeah. Okay. We'll talk about all that in his leg that ultimately did in team fun. First off. Mike, thank you. And Dan, Heaton for holding down the podcast last week while Justin, I were a way, of course, we were not the people that got you in trouble with Brenton Chris, I think we definitely will deserve the lauding that was very funny. And Chris, I do feel badly. But they, they had one job that week that I was gone to not get eliminated. I mean, in fairness, that is very true. I'm did you have any correspond to no bread is a close friend of yours Jenny correspondence with him apt to you? Listen to the fall that happened with he'd been texting and I. Texted him and said that, you know, we would love to do a deep dive with them after the season proper is opening or over in one week's time. So look look for that following the finale of the amazing race next week when with whatever restrictions are in place for the season will, then the, by the wayside, and I mean, I know just tweeted about this, but I think we still really miss out a Brent and Chris presence, this episode not just because they're fantastic personalities. But some of the tasks would have been very interestingly suits. Yeah. Certainly okay, so jests. What's your reaction to this leg of the amazing race and seeing team fun, go out? Well, it's always upsetting to lose team fund in fifth place. Apparently, this is where they go out. Now, they, it's a thing they joined the ranks of Margie, and Luke, the Afghan animals. Danny, and Oswald as all teams that every time they go on the show. They end up going out in the same spot. Yeah. We've got that with some survivors, too, that have duplicate finishes. I don't is done it. Three times though. I mean, we might see next episode that might be think forever. But I feel like team fun might be in a level above what gessle it out though, because there are chains that repeat their places but there are also teams that repeat their placements that have legs that involve very similar things and apparently team fund, whether intentional or not, it seems like their achilles heel involves bikes in some way, shape, or form. Although in very different ways was their downfall from a bicycle where Floyd had the heat exhaustion from the first time out. And this time was just a lack of directions on the tandem bicycle. So I thought that this loss must have been easier for them to swallow just because I feel that this is a co loss where last time out, I feel like that Floyd probably took a lot of the responsibility, or, or the heat, no pun intended. Well, I think it's helpful that there was no road block this legs. So there was no task that you could pin on one person. But I think we actually had a really interesting tweet one of our listeners tweeted at us. I really just before we started the podcast. So I barely got it in, but I wanted to give a shout out to Tony Massoni, who tweeted at us, was it a coincidence, or irony that Floyd was the downfall on leg ten on season twenty nine and Becca was the downfall and leg ten the season. So I think that's up for debate. Do we think maybe Becca had more culpability this late? Why? Because of the EPA is cracked. Yeah. Because you yeah. You could say that at least from what we were being told that Beck and Floyd were ahead of Victor, Nicole, when they both got to the second half of their respective detours, but because Becca didn't check the bag to make sure the was cracked wasn't cracked. And, you know, she told me in her in my exit interview with them that I did for parade this week that she fully admits that it was her mistake. She even you know, patted the eggs out with grass and hay nearby to try to make sure they had a. Soft landing, but it was totally on her. She says to not have checked those as before she got to the market and threatened to smash said on the poor market nights. Why was at all her responsibility enough Lloyd's? I mean she was holding the bag and Floyd. You know, ask do we need to check the eggs, and apparently Becca said, no? We're going. Yeah. Okay. I guess so. But I said this to team fund jus-. I thought that that was very ticky tack in terms of, in my mind on the reality show, the egg broke in is there is liquid using out, and you are holding multiple pieces of shell in your hand to my mind that did not constitute a crack deg. Yeah. But rob, you're not the task judge. And you know, I. Are you are you insinuating that if that had been you and that had been your egg? You also would have cracked the and the guy's face. Yes, I would've I would've run reaction. Are you kidding the Dutch being egged snob? I thought that they were so ticky tack on the cracked egg. But then in terms of the pole vaulting that we that I guess, just holding the poll in jumping in the water constituted getting across. I did not understand why and those judges were so loosey goosey as to what constituted leaping over the. Ditch. Yeah. They call it a ditch. But when you. When you. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. The Dutch ditch, but Robbie you know, that's like that's the bread and butter of this show, this, the bread and butter and eggs and cheese of this show, is that every task is going to have a different set of criteria on it, and some tasks are going to be really, really take tacky. And some of the tasks are going to be like you did it, okay. Move on. And that's just that's the way of the amazing race. And we may never understand it right. The made Nicole jump twelve times across the ditch and then she jumped in the air landed in the middle of the water, and then it was like, okay you're good. 'cause you jumped, what maybe two thing of like a to be to the Dutch way is one being airborne, and crossing some sort of I love Lucy s imaginary line down the river. If you cross onto the other side, technically, whether it's in the water on the land doesn't necessarily matter that being said we talked about this last week, we have seen this twice before. In season. Twelve and twenty one where I think it was both a roadblock and they were a bit more meticulous with their judging. Maybe was just because it was such a part of the task. And I would argue maybe less less apart attack than actually getting, you know, the eggs and cheese to the market, intact, this sort of, you know, Rabl to turn the other cheek to maybe some of the, the less Dutch way of pole vault. The Dutch way is very loosey goosey. I feel like Justice should be you have to get at least one leg on the other side, that one foot one inbounds let seemed like it seemed like maybe it was that you had to at least touch the other side, because I think, on Nicole's last one she did sorta graze the Bank, but it also could be we've seen tasks where there's kind of a mercy rule in effect where if you fail at it enough times. They just sorta arbitrarily decide you've passed on the last one. I think that, that might have been more employed, but so interesting. Just what rules were real. Really, really strict in what rules were not also thought that this was a weird leg to have this double u-turn again. First off, I thought that we were going to be done with the u-turns after the u-turn vote. Here's the double u-turn, Mike, that we used to see another u-turn here. Absolutely. I mean back during the u-turn vote, I think I'd asked like we can't see this again. Right. How do you go back to u-turn proper after you sort of break the mold with the u-turn vote that being said, the mole that we went back to? I'm not completely mad at because we finally for the first time and I feel like what just like three seasons. Finally got the u-turn after the detour where it's been for like the first sixteen seasons that it had been in play. And as a result, he no it's less about who happens to get to a certain remarkable. I and more so about who completes the detour first. So that being said I was very surprised to see it probably as surprised as the team's work and. That they didn't get warning of the W, turn until the clue right before it. But considering how things sort of played out in the drama it created. I don't know if I'm necessarily mad at. I thought it was a perfect deployment of the u-turn it was in the right spot. Everybody kind of game theory it out and decided what was going to be the best thing for their game. And then it got used and there was drama because of it, and we had a heartbreaking finish because of it and, you know, as much as I love team, fun, and as much as I'm sad to see them go. I am never mad at anything that the amazing race does that makes me feel and this made me feel so I'm happy. Wow. That is very not specific. So anything that the show has done that makes you feel you're okay with think has got to be lots of times. We're made you feel angry. Yeah. I would I would put a caveat on that anytime it makes me feel rage at stupidity on behalf of the producers, that's a feeling I don't want to, but I can feel angry at the racers that I feel okay about that. I can feel angry at racers. Doing stupid things. That's good. Tv it's good TV when I'm happy that a team I like does well, and it's even good TV when a team that I like a lot goes out in a way that really hurts. Okay. Let's talk through this leg of the race in Amsterdam, and we have the team's head out to Amsterdam, and we had a tandem bicycle Mike. Mike. Have you guys ever ridden tainted bicycles before God? No, so I don't think I've ever ridden the two person variation tandem bicycle. I've been in some sort of a contraption that allowed like multiple people to ride a bicycle at the same time. Okay. Are you talking about one of those party bikes that comes with a bachelor party? What did you do this at your heart? This is. So I don't know what it's called, but they're definitely this would be a Lamer bachelor party, then going to Walt Disney World. I would say, no shade. You're on your recent trip there. Just I didn't go for my bachelorette party. Throwing shade at the wrong person the wrong partner. The no it's cute. Yeah. That would be the conversation while you two are running your ten bike, how you would go you go to every location and say, how much fun this would be to go here for your bachelor party DisneyWorld, Mike good, could you tell me more about this bicycle bachelor party trip this? So I didn't personally go. But, you know, my wife when she was part of bridal party, went with a bunch of people. So there's this thing called like a party bike where it's a big to do. It's a huge contraption where you could feasibly put, like all five teams of the amazing race could be on a big party bike care whether all peddling and contributing to the forward momentum and of course you drink while you do it. So I mean, maybe from that regard, you'll say, well, if two people are running a bike at one person is a little three sheets to the wind that really increases the chance of them falling ten people. We're gonna cast the net y maybe that will reduce the chance of any liability. But yeah, it's, it's I only heard about it like last year. I don't know if it's relatively new thing, but it's the ultimate form. Of cooperation I'm assuming frustration. I can only assume steering the thing has to be just the worst thing in the world. Okay. Well, we hear going to get to our detour high or dry adjust now was this on the part of the amazing race producers were they being cheeky here in Amsterdam with calling one half of the detore high. Maybe they're just Radiohead, fans, rob. I mean I brab put the lowest form of humor on them. That's not lowest form of humor. Yeah. Yeah, I guess not second lowest. Okay. So high high or dry where you had to either. Do some ditch vaulting or raising effect simile cow, Mike. All right. So, apparently, this is a real thing, not, not like the tradition. But apparently, this does come from a real story. And Phil touched upon it where apparently back in the days old school damn there was of livestock. No, no, no. Well, actually funny story about we'll get to that. That's actually part of the story. So apparently this building belltower had become overgrown, with weeds and the other leading all the leading botanists and they said, you know what maybe instead of doing the weeding on our own. Let's come up with this great idea again. Maybe they were consuming somebody to come up with this idea. But they said, if we hoisted cow up on a pulley, the cow can eat the weeds gradient practice. Not so great an execution. I believe the cow, unfortunately medicine before it got up to the top of the bell tower, which I'm assuming as why they use said FEC simile of the cow instead of the real deal. But then. Everybody got to have steak for dinner that. So it wasn't all bad. Just is this the tip assist of cow tipping. Apparently, this is this is like the total polar opposite. But here's the thing that I don't understand about the translation to actual amazing race task as everybody flocked to this one, or maybe they moved in a herd to this one. And this was all before they had the context that, that was not a real cow and yet they still wanted to do it. What was up with that? I mean, Colin wanted revenge. That's why he did it. He's got he needs revenge on like the entire bulls. Vines genus. We call it the producers for a second, because it really feels stack that Iraq. I mean you gotta feel like they were like, all right. Let's we gotta keep triggering this guy calling. He's totally legs zen. We got to push buttons in some way. We tried dressing up a cow didn't work. We tried all these other types of forms of animals. Did it work if we have to have him, literally, holy cow? Maybe that will finally push buttons. But I mean Collina's unflappable. Well, maybe if they'd use a real cow, we could have gotten angry calling, but it was basically like the mannequin equivalent. So she's saying that if with this, a spell, then maybe the cow will come to life. Yes. And the cow will turn into Kim Cottrell. Yes. Okay. So the everybody's gonna go off to raise the cows here team. Fund is nowhere to be found. They're getting lost the colon Victor are going to be the ditch jumpers. And I've said that this episode really for me emphasized that I think that Victor might be one of the all time greatest athletes in the CBS pantheon Mike. I mean it's not every day, you get a former college pole-vaulter on the basic seriousness now l v Vic that he was voted out three times in a season on. So, like, let's let's not get it twisted in terms of gameplay or anything, but he did win the battle back to different times in that season. I believe he wanted number of vetoes that he has really done the lion's share of the tasks for his team in this season. He had the pedal, the bike the hallway I just came away from this episode so impressed with victor's prowess. Yeah. I mean I would agree with that. I mean, there is something significant about the fact that though I mean, we should also talk about the fact that I know that Victor eventually had to go back due to the u-turn, but I know Corey was also pedaling the bike apparently on his own. No, he already declared Tyler the to his Elliot, he's sort of acted upon that role. And I mean Colin was threat of Quasimodo ING that kowtows where even Christie admitted it was pretty much him hauling that cow up that entire belltower in forty seconds. So I do agree that I think Victor really showed his physical, prowess, especially in this episode and it just seems like he's an all around fantastic racer and I didn't. That's a great reason. Why him and Ecole have not only balance each other out so well, but have done so well up to this point, but it's been an interesting episode to really highlight, how certain team members have certain skills that they're each appropriately suited to. And this one really favored, some certain people skill sets and we talk about that every week. I feel like there's always a team where. Saying, oh, this was really to there's strengths this week. And even last week, we're talking about how Floyd was perfect for the marching task and. So I think it's just a lot of amazing race. We always say look, so it's kind of look, the draw, I think also worth noting. I think if we're speaking about Colin strength. Back in the day when Colin was first running this race. There was no rule in place that limited the number of roadblocks that one team member could do. And he basically did all of the road blocks. So that was twenty two year old call in, but he's no stranger to pulling all the weight literally and figuratively. He may be thirty inch now rob, but that has not changed his physical prowess. Right. Oh, yes. Aide. Mike. Did you think that it was? Victor had gone full bloom when he commented on the Kahane's. He had in this leg of the race. Yeah. I mean, this is something you'd probably see on the party bike at, like, four PM after pedaling around Nashville for, like, seven hours, killer fatigue, will do that, too. But yeah, I mean Victor was rucking couple of chief Bowles down there for hot sick. I really hope they washed that she's before they eat it. I mean. This was going to a market, correct, just. So what was going to buy that, and take it home and put it on their dinner table. I, I know that they're voted in wax. So everybody that just started adding me, right? This second about cheese storage. Yeah, I know that. But I still feel like that's insufficient. And the people who are adding you saying that maybe they were went up in value to be fair. I think we know the big brother fan base, and certainly people who would want to bid on EBay for victor's crotch. She did it brother fan. Scare me back. They get back. It's not okay. Okay. Just at this point we're starting to really get hit over the head team fund is very lost. Yeah. They, they're not doing well this episode and it's, it's the curse of the bikes. I feel like there's going to be some new five whole esque terminology. We will have to build around by Cole. By cole. Not bad. There was also we heard from Thailand, Corey, everybody's talking about the w turn, and I wrote my note, we are because we were done with, with u-turns that very odd it's very much. Tell don't show. I thought that this presence of u-turn left with the Riley sisters and the u-turn vote. But no, I mean I guess when you do have four fifths of your remaining cast being amazing race teams that have all made it to this point in the game and their previous instances, they might think there might be another u-turn around. But again, I'm just, you know, color incorrect did reveal a bit of their hand this week where they said, look, we understand that we've come in fourth place, first place four times in a row. But we have had relationships with the other team to the point where they would never you, turn us also got very lucky that they happen to not only get to the Utah turn board. I but get there alongside Colin and Christie who I think we're very much of the mindset of. Oh, no, we're, we're not gonna u-turn. Anybody? Let's just keep going. The polar opposite of the people that came right out for them in the EFC animals. Let's talk about the EFC animals because let's talk about this moment, Joost, okay? Get into the Afghans because I thought it was really interesting. They pretty much progress Tecate the entire rest of the league and that point they said we don't need to use the u-turn call it in Christie. Obviously, don't need to use the u-turn. There's three teams behind us, the Afghans are gonna roll up their u-turn a team. And then that team's going to turn the other team. And that's exactly what happened. And I thought it was kind of, like it was perfect illustration of how you use the u-turn and arguably, would we talk about the Afghan animals. We can talk about whether they needed to do this or not. But it it was pretty much if you're way out in front. There's no there's no great reason to use the turn unless you're really, like full of spite, or you have a team in back of you that you really don't wanna see eliminated for some reason, and you want to make sure that that team stay. As it right. I mean this whole leg was Tyler and Corey, and Colin and Christie and they were just cruising. And in no danger of going home throughout this entire leg. But here, the Afghan animals, and I felt like that they were so petty about, oh, we are going to give Nicole in Victor a taste of their own medicine. Now, finally, we will get our revenge all they did was that they cast one vote against the Afghan animals in the u-turn vote, and to be fair, that it was really only half the team wanted that, that Nicole demonstrably did not want to use the u-turn on the F Ganim malls. She wanted to u-turn Rachel Annalisa, and the Afghan animals. Like how you how, you've crossed us now you must be you have to get you turned because you said, our name at the u-turn vote Jess. Yeah. This was so weird and theatrical and it just sorta felt like it was any other team, but the Afghan malls that were giving this kind of confessional, I would certainly break the fourth wall a little bit. And assume that there's a producer standing behind them saying, okay? Now, did you think about the fact that they cast a vote for you? And did that factor into your decision to you, turn them and everything to lead people into saying that, but the Afghans have been on the show long enough? I don't think they need to have the producers feed them that I think they're just assuming that that's what they want them to hear. I also don't feel like they're the kind of guys that do take that stuff. Personally. I think they're always since the first day that they were on this show. They've always been focused on what's going to make the best TV and I think I think, good TV was probably the whole reason that they deployed the u-turn gave those reasons for doing it. But man it was really it was really petty and really mean especially the the lie. About happy birthday. Nicole those just not too much too much, and who for, for column and Christie. I think so. Newness. They threw towards colony right. Because Brenton Chris than cast the second the second vote against Rachel Annalisa, which sent them into the, the double u-turn in the in the vote. I mean, why didn't Colin Christie give the F Ganim taste of their medicine? Christie have in they've embraced zen? Discovered meditation looked into themselves and. The inner I told them, not to bother with petty personal problems. Yeah. Don't believe in medicine anymore. Rob of Lono. Yeah. Yeah. I think that also wonder if maybe there's something else going on here. I'm very excited. Talk with Leo and Jamal next week for variety of reasons. No matter how they do, but one of them is to sort of get their mentality behind this because I feel like we got this foreshadowed in the preview for the finale, but I gotta feel like especially when there were four amazing race teams in together for such a long time. I'd have to imagine there's kind of, like, if not an outright deal a loose agreement with each other. They sort of look across and nod at one, another of like, okay, we're really not going to target what another that much. And so, I have to wonder if maybe because Victor, Nicole reserve the loan non amazing race team left, if Leo and Jamal, we're like okay, this is the one team that's sort of sticks out from the rest of the people that we really get along with not to say that we're not friends with them. But they're the outliers these are people that I don't want to necessarily race with. Is that a good move not necessarily, because I would say that I think team fun are probably more threatening. Shire's than Victor. Nicole, especially at the point that they were in, in that leg. But I could see that being another reason why they decided to target Victor. Nicole, particularly. Yeah. And. I would I would even hasten to add, this is sort of similar, I think, to something that I think I heard Brett Lebel say on the exit circuit just as recently as best week when he is very. They showed his reasoning for voting to u-turn Rachel Annalisa, as they don't talk to us. We have a personal problem with them and Bret said that was one hundred percent. Not why they did it. And he carefully broke down all of the reasons why. And none of them had to do with that. It just happened that they had that one sound byte that production used instead of having to go into the whole complicated reasons for it. So that could also be true here. Okay. So we have our first team you turned. We're gonna be Afghans are going to u-turn Nicole in Victor. And they are going to have to really have no choice. They have to u-turn team fund. Jess. Yeah. Which is as predicted that's really, that's really all you can say about that. Yeah. Yeah. The only shot in the dark they can make. Because I know Floyd said, in my interview with him, he's like I had no idea how they knew we were behind them. But I mean they were pretty much running the leg until they split up for the detour with Tyler Corey calling, and Chrissy and the app gambles. So I mean just sort of have to take the shot in the dark there. Can we talk about the fact that the u-turn was located at a nice little ice cream cart? I thought we were going to get Beekman. Boy. No, no more non elimination legs. Very versa, say beckoned Floyd thought it was going to be a non elimination leg because they saw the Beekman boys, fair and thought. Okay. Well, they're here that means in on and we're going to be saved. Okay, we're going to start to get team fun. They have they are way behind. They end up on the first part of the detour where they're going to do the ditch vaulting to go across, and we're going to end up with the fateful egg transfer not not going the way of team fund. Jeff's. Yeah. And I think we've covered this pretty well. I don't know what else you can say about this, except that if you've ever bought eggs in a supermarket, you always open the carton and look at the eggs before you buy them. No, I should've asked us to do. We know when the egg crack did Becca pick up a cracked egg or do the at the crack. In transit. Doesn't matter. Yeah, I think it's matters because that if you picked up the crack Dag think that's worse than if the Ed cracked on the way to the market, I would assume they were all pretty, pristine, as this, this part of the tax reminds me of like a middle school when you in a partner are giving an egg to take care of to simulate a jolly happen or that was just on TV. I had to get that a really was an egg rebound. Our it was a hard boiled, egg hard-boiled. And yes, and I broke my friends eg, and she was she had the option to sue me for points off of my. Wow. She thankfully, she did not do that. And my eg was like the only one in that class that survived the week without any cracks on it. George, yeah. I realized I get this, this project could get. Yeah. All right. Well, let's listen in on Becca and Floyd as a went to go hand in the eggs at the market. A complete moment of loss. I wanna throw that in your face right now. The return of dark Becca. How would he get the sense that she wanted to throw the in his face? He just met her. You are aware as we all would have this and behavior of wanting to smash all these on your face. Are you my correct? I think sometimes when, when that side of Becca comes out, she really has no concept of what his becka. Colorado. I can't stop thinking of that mean that's Kermit the frog looking at himself in the dark cloak. I feel like that's what we're dealing with now. And it's like Becca in the dark hooded cloak. Now Dr we saw the same. Yeah. We saw the same side of dark Becca when she when they when Floyd lost their passports, generally late knocked them out. Yeah. Like that comes out, like that's the Becca that you wouldn't like her when she's angry. I think once Becca told me that she was gonna throw the egging my face. I think it was okay. I think you guys are good. You're you're through, but that's that was strategy. It's a slippery slope rob the slippery mount Mount Fuji when you do that. Because then you're just gonna open the door for teams to intimidate their way as other tests, judges. But on the bright side, if they start allowing that, then, you know, that side of Collins coming out, and we've been waiting for that all season. No, I'm here for it. So how went up forty seconds or I'm gonna kick your ass. I swear to God. I'm okay with teams bullying the judges on the amazing race. This poor people, their local signed up for the friendly, cultural representation only. Come on Mike and they know that the Dutch people give back as well as they get. Well, yeah, when people are gonna drive the wrong way down their streets. Yeah. We're gonna talk about this in a minute. But, you know, I think anybody that's ever stood in the middle of bike path in Amsterdam knows that the Dutch can handle their business. That's okay. Fifty. It was a complete moment of loss. I wanna throw that in your face right now. Idea what? I love the club. I just I laughed when she said that. An acid loved her arguing, like no, no, it's good. And I think you talked about in your view right that she like was was threatening to sell the egg to overshadow him to get his quota. Yeah, I will sell that right now, could they have offered to buy the help I? Hope I it's like yo-you just sold it. So you don't need to sell it. You have your buddy could you bribe the judge with your money for the leg? Look, if coercion is allowed, I think, briberies on the table to, I'm okay with this. Okay. So now they have to go back and they were already lost. And just this is feeling like it's getting really insurmountable for team fun. Yeah. This was not a leg that had a terrible amount of suspense as much as I think, editing tried to play up, Nicole in victor's mistakes, and the Afghan animals mistakes, so that there might be like a little stretch of doubt. It really like the writing was on the wall. I think as soon as we saw that cracked egg and we knew that you turn was coming for them. It was it was pretty. It was pretty hard to watch. Okay. And we've had a lot of people talking about do we think that it takes away from the show when the editors kinda rush through those limitations? At the end when their inevitable. And I think no, I think if the exciting stuff is happening up the front of leg show. The exciting stuff if we know what's going to happen. There's no sense in dragging it out or trying to deceive us. Okay. Let's talk about the canal task Mike, did you enjoy the canal task? I'm so intrigued, I thought, okay, here we go. Roadblock time no roadblock. Some wondering, okay we're going to the pitstop, but I didn't realize how much of a big to do. This was I really enjoyed this. I, I'm all about sort of unconventional things. You know, I think those that are big fans of amazing race Canada have complained about how amazing rates US pales in comparison to the great white north, when it comes to non detour or roadblock tasks, but we got a tried and true one here with making the boat train pulling into the island pitstop. I really enjoyed this just because it was a great way to sort of like we've been to Amsterdam. I wanna say like eight or nine times at this point to the point where we repeated a task that's been already used into other. Seasons. But this was completely brand new. This is a lot of fun to explore this little town. It led to some really fantastic unfortunate conversations between these teams and the locals and it did shake things up Timea bit. So I really enjoyed even though this did take up until, like the last third of the episode overall. I really enjoyed it just it was a beautiful day. And there was a lot of canal traffic. Yeah, it looked like they just sort of film, this owner random weekend day when the weather happened to be beautiful and everyone was out enjoying the day. And I think maybe not everybody had been given an equal amount of heads up that this show was going to be happening. Whoa. Would they normally go around to the people on the canal and just let everybody know hey, we got a bunch of morons coming through? I that guy called them idiots. Okay. Right. On time. People that have no idea what they're doing with these boats except for Colin. Well, I think sometimes, especially when they need to when there's a special civic location that there's going to be a lot of public traffic. I think, well, I don't know. Mike has lived in the city. So Mike knows what I'm talking about. But here, New York when they're filming scripted TV show, you will walk by a few days in advance, there will be big neon be big signs on neon paper taped to telephone poles and trees that. That say, hey on this day you need to move your car because we're taping this show. And sometimes they tell you what the show is. And sometimes they're just like it's a secret pilot and they do a lot of this up in my neighborhood. They film blue bloods in front of Georgia's daycare all the time. So we're always seeing this stuff. And so I think it's a similar thing if amazing race is coming through a public area. There may be a sign up. This is there's a TV show that's going to be filmed here. So issued be aware there's going to be extra traffic and extra people. But I think there was a immediate area where this task was supposed to be taking place. And I would suspect that at least a couple of these racers pushed the bounds of where that area was not completely overshot them entirely. And let's listen in on one of these moments where Tyler and Corey encountered some locals that were giving them some helpful advice, reverse down that, oh my goodness. I'm sorry. I am sorry. Everyone. Are you guys idiots or something like that? Wow. So I can't believe when people quote that to us in the comments section, they're actually just using an ancient Dutch. Phrasing there being helpful. I like that. They immediately knew to speak English. Tyler I don't mean to be it's like the great way to be like I know once idiot, but please know that I'm trying not to be ugly American right now. I just have no idea how to drive three boats backwards. Right. And make TV show too. In a canal. There's some I love the dateable 's there's one point where like a giant tour, but like a party, a party bike sized vote comes through, and the getting looks like we're sorry, you're gonna have to stop this. Like, no, I'm not stopping. And so just like the plows into the Afghan, we'll push that out of the way the F Ganim. All's were going the wrong way one way section of the canal. Jess. Yeah. That was that. At least they didn't try to murder a child. But the front of their vote. That four kid that was legitimately terrifying. I love that. They, they apologize. And the response, it doesn't matter if she was, I'm assuming by so many different boats at this point that she's like, I just get out of here. Please. I don't even care at this point. Like I can imagine what people are saying all the just bumping into boats. But considering that I guess boats are their main form of transportation in this town. I can imagine like a Kintu getting in like a small Fender bender. And I don't think anyone would necessarily want to do that at the hands of racers right? That their Dutch people that are just going for like a nice ro in their boat. And then you have all these crazy crashing into them driving the wrong way like what is going on? I so love the, the random group of old lady. Singing acappella driving by tiring. Gordon youthful all these random sites like goats the cat, which Leo's attend. Oh. I do love that runner. I know I was pissed off back episode to stop talking about the damn cat. But he played it down enough. And now we sort of have this cat runner, whichever Lee, appreciate it. Yeah. So Aubrey was looking for her black cat on survivor. But Leo's been the one finding all the cats on the amazing race. We're getting parade Eum to do a super cut of all of the times, Leo chased a cat on the amazing. The top thirty seven times Leo chased to cat on the amazing race. Thirty one. The video watch it. Yeah. So. We have team fund in Colin Victor trying to get through the detour Mike victors is running out of gas. Yeah. I mean, this is also why he did not do particularly well in the challenge when Leone Jamal thought that they literally ran out, I guess, when their electric motor was out of gas. I mean this is Victor Victor necessarily do. Well, when is his tenure during the challenge is because I would say that, while he's awesome athletically, I would say when it comes to endurance, especially having a ride this bike back and forth and back and forth. Maybe he tried his best. But I can imagine that was pretty darn tough to do especially knowing that he probably spent a whole his energy going to the market thinking that was it and then realizing that he now had to go back to form number thirty four to haul this fake cow. With probably the last thing he wanted to do at this point. Yeah. And we ended up seeing a team fund seemingly got through it. Okay. But just when team is in the back of the pack always difficult to really take everything that we see on the show at face value when it seems like they're making a lot of time. Yeah. You kind of if you're not seeing two teams in the same frame. You kind of have to assume that it could be pretty much any anytime of day. And in a couple of cases on this show, they've edited it to make a team seem like they were still in the mix when they were twenty four hours behind. To be fair. They did tell you in the interview, rob that they did apparently finish only fifteen minutes behind the Colin Victor. So I don't know if it was made up during the detour or if it was made up during the boats. But this did gain some ground at some point they bolted over some ground. Yes. Just this did seem like it had some stylistic, editing in terms of the graphics that they were using that I don't recall seeing on the amazing race that we kept going to, like an overlay of the map of Amsterdam with sort of like a Google map, like dots representing where the other teams were. Yeah. It was I feel like it was spiritually similar to when they show the map with the amazing yellow line showing where team started in where they're ending up for their next leg. I feel like it, it felt a lot like that. And I thought it was I would not one hundred percent trust those to cure it. I, I know would would reality TV ever lied to us never never. But it I liked it. I thought it was kind of fun. I thought it was a kind of an innovative way to show what was going on there because you didn't have that ability to put two teams in one frame, because one of them was God knows where and one of them was way up the canal. My like the amazing GPS. I do I think that now they shouldn't they should put geo trackers on all the racers. So that now we can do like overlay shot if they're all running inside a temple or something, we are no, who's going where. But I think it also displayed how big the canals were as I mean, not with wise. They were very narrow which costs a lot of problems. But I think you know, Phil really undersold just how labyrinthine just the canals of this town worse to the point where I mean, it was just fun, too. I really liked in particular Leo, and Jamal accidentally going through the canal exit and I'm using a big red line to dictate essentially like going the wrong way. Let's see what happens people at sure to be. Okay. Colin Christie end up with a first place finish their first. First place finish of the race. Is that correct? No, no lake for they won. Okay. All right. But as they said that they won a bunch of first place legs in terms of amazing race five, but they said they wanted to finish strong, and I feel like that congress, did they do feel like that. They are really hitting their stride going into the final legs. Jess. Yeah. I think so. I think they have to feel like they have a real shot because it's really been them in Tyler in Corey out in front, this whole time, and they have I mean they haven't won a leg in a while. But they've been right up there. They haven't finished lower than fourth, and I think also one thing I know about calling in Christie, we could talk ad nauseam. I think every week we go into like zen, Colin how this is barely the same team. But I think this is kind of the same way that we see a lot of two-time survivors, come out the second time and I was listening to your to your deep dive with Aurora from this past season of survivor day, and she talks about how she had heard from the returning players that the second time you go back on the show. You are able to spend time having fun and really appreciating where you are. And I think this also describes call and Christie because I think there was very little of their first time out. That was fun at all. It was. Go go go and intense and you would see call and just like lose his mind because he didn't get first place in a leg. And now you see the two of them they're mellow, they're older. And they know that this is just icing like they had their amazing race experience. And it's unreal that they're getting a second chance. So I think they've kind of ironically in slowing down and appreciating it they've put themselves in a good position to win the race. They finally found out the amazing race was funding. Good. No makes sense. Now, I will also give it we'll give shout out here as well. Dalton Ross came up with a really interesting interview with Colin and Chrissy in anticipation for this week's episode for Entertainment Weekly that really highlights, you know, exactly what Colin Christie went through in the fifteen years between seasons, and I think it's been super interesting because I think especially as of late, you know, we've heard a lot, we've talked a lot about how reality TV can certainly war. Rip people's mental health and psychology in different ways participating in it. And it's so rare to see a story of contestants watch the season back go through the experience and realize, okay. That's a behavior that I made to improve upon in my elm, life. And so calling it goes into great length about what exactly brought him to zen call and talk about what exactly encourage them to go back on the race in the first place. I, especially going to this finale. I really heavily recommend people check out that interview because I love gain to hear their perspective on everything that happened in these past fifteen years. Okay. So congress, they get a first place, finish Tyler in Corey are in second place. Just this has been a record to have four straight first place finishes for two other and Corey, I'm I don't believe. So I think that's been done if not on the US amazing race. It's been done. Fill. It would have been impressive to me. In a row is already impressive. I think the green team did five in a row and I want to say, maybe Rachel and David to from season. Twenty but I believe we talked about this last week. I think Tyler Corey still do hold the, the franchise record for most first place finishes across a career with nine, but I've believe this is common Christie's eighth. So maybe if they end up winning the final leg intolerant. Corey lose the next two then maybe there's a tie there. I'm not entirely. Sure. But again, like just said, they're, they're neck and neck. But they have been the entire back half of the season. Phil is trying to mess with Tyler and Corey here trying to make them feel like that. They are really at the back of the pack Tyler gets the and fills. So guys, what do you think like three like, whoa, that's being generous. I'm just messing with you. That's not the most objectionable thing Phil's head hall leg. What was it? What was the award? What the hell happened to you? With you. Yeah. What is wrong with you guys? Why have you feel so vindictive against Victor? Nicole. What the hell happened? It was against what happened to Victor gets more so like you guys were in second different. But he if he was saying that it should have been about one. Why do you animosity Victor? And Nicole for the u-turn vote, I love it, because it's so interesting to see, like Phil from the first few season compared with Phil now it's just like exasperated. Like, what are you guys doing wrong with you, too? And they get even talk about it to be. They're like, you know what I think we're still the strongest team would just have been forming well for like eight or nine lakes. This point this is yet another instance where they were doing really well for a hot second. And then they just completely got lettuce stray for one reason or another, and they fell to the third position this time. Yeah, they're all or nothing the animals. This sort of like going one hundred miles an hour or like twenty in reverse? One of the other, I mean, maybe part of the appeal of the Afghan walls, and part of the reason that they keep being asked back is that they are such a mixed bag, and they're kind of like Forrest Gump box of chocolates, in that you're never know what you're going to get, but it's probably going to be sort of gleefully, snarky and funny, and we'll take off to chase a cat bags going to have cracked eggs, and it's going to have her eggs, it's going to have might have a couple of ostrich eggs, and they're just for good measure. So we're going to have some tension of who is going to be the last seen. Derive is going to be Nicole in Victor or is it going to be beckoned Floyd? The edits giving us a little bit of hope that it's going to be Beckham Floyd who are gonna make it into fourth place. Nicole seemed very nervous to the point Mike where she said that she might soil herself. Maybe she had some of that cross cheese. Hey. Yeah. So I think he's like I'm gonna crap myself if we see team fun. Yes. Yes. What, what levels at on the fun, meter of I c team fun. I'm going to crap myself. I mean, there's no Brown color on the fund. I mean, we've got one meters we should be able to figure this out. Yes, I have in my hand right now. Thank you. Thank you are album. I'm very confused by the fund meet only because the levels are fun funnest, and fun, stoppable. I feel like if I put those three words next to each other, I don't know if I arranged them in the correct order to the severity that they are on the scale here, the sliding scale of fun is would you would you, are you like one of these grammar Nazis of we give it like more fun? No, I would say that, probably fun is would probably be the, the last level, because I think that, like there's nothing more capable. There's nothing more fun than funnest literally, the definition. Stoppable just what do you think should be the order? Well, I think part of the I think part of the appeal here is that it isn't necessarily a hierarchy so much as spectrum and you could be anywhere on that spectrum. Or maybe it's not even linear like maybe fun is a flat circle. Guys fun as of flat circle. If the hashtag for this episode like it, I like it. I literally we're holding a flat circle in our hands. Right. Right. Right. I didn't want to point out that at the beginning of the leg, you can see Becca influence fun meters. And it looks like Floyd's fun. Beater aero has snapped off entirely. A metaphor. I think it's a metaphor. They're going to say that. And their post pitstop interview saw the, the arrows on the left and that really meant that they were gonna get eliminated because that's where the fun meter ended up being it was it was all in the white part of the fun meter. Okay. To the letter, you so ultimately Becca tried to guilt fill into making it a non elimination leg just like you guys are still racing right? It was a nice try on her part. But Phil did and I made someone go back and rewatch. This for me because I wanted to be sure, but Phil literally did tell them all. There are no more non elimination legs. And I guess they could quibble it'd be like, maybe it's a keep on Racing League. But I that was not happening. That's, that's exactly what they did. That's what they told me they thought, like, okay, maybe to keep on racing doesn't technically me non eliminating, but yeah, I mean beca pretty much told fill like ramen tea with this boat. You know that. Right. If you tell me that we're eliminated gonna throw this pin in your face right now. What, what did you do with the cracked egg that got rejected? Is she still hold onto that because if I was Phil, I would watch out? If she brought that back from Amsterdam with our that would be impressive. I think we keep saying Amsterdam, but someone's going to at me and say, you don't know anything about geography just because they weren't in Amsterdam except when they landed the plane. So I wanna be very clear that I know they were not in Amsterdam. They were in small towns outside of Amsterdam. Thank you very much. All right. Look. Take it easy. Everybody. Leave leave Jess alone and we're just just recapping a game show. Okay. That's a yes. But we're getting things wrong things wrong when we collectively get things wrong. I'm the one that is there a podcast that gets things right? No, all podcasts get things. Wrong time podcast. It's the first rule of podcast, actually know always be a little wrong, unless you're this American life. I think they get it right. Yeah. If you wanted something right? Read a book people. Okay. All books are right. Okay. All right. So then that's it for this leg of the race. And we are headed towards our final week of the amazing race, where we are going to see two more legs, jam packed onto a Wednesday night, and then presumably next week we will have exit interviews with the final four teams of the amazing race. Yes Beck and Floyd. Go out with one more trademark wrap where Floyd just completely bungles his final word on the amazing race thirty one but my God is delightful. Yes. Great job on the free, styling in the beat boxing. Incredible work from team fun. When you get the host of the show to free style. I think that's an compliment. Yeah. I thought that they might have given fill some pointers, but they were very generous for towards Phil, and his free styling skills in the interview they really wanna play the amazing race of third time. That's how you, you cop lament the hosts free silence getting on there. Or maybe you just physically threaten everybody Phil. I'm going to throw this phone in your face if I don't get on NewsRadio. All right. 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Use promo code rob for your special discount today. You will not want to throw an egg in anybody's face. When you wake up after sleeping with the common comfort way to blanket. Okay. Jess, let's open up our mailbag. Oh, we got so many good questions at any of the questions break in the mail bag while you were bringing them over to the pod guesses. We do you only look action look, rob. I checked the questions before I left, and they were fine. All right. And I packed them with a lot of grass around everything. Other Amsterdam joke. I do love, by the way that colony Chrissy. Each got seventy five hundred dollars from fills, so the prize went and Dutch. They split the money evenly, chests Dutch treat. Okay. All right. Do a Dutch. We have so many great questions. And I think things that absolutely warms. My heart is that we now have people that are writing in and prefacing their question with amazing race one a one. So now we have a whole section of amazing race one on one questions, just know before we played the jingle for Israel's wanna one or any of the amazing race wanna one people still watching with the elimination of the final survivor team. Parenting. Everybody's still watch good. I was thinking that I was listening to the podcast with Mike in, Dan. I wonder if now that Brett sadder we're gonna lose the first time amazing race audience. Well, we still have a big brother team in it. So these people could all still plausibly launching Nicole in Victor stance. Sure. Sure. But I think once you get far enough in a show. He committed his out like an answer. Yeah. Dear. You just dinged yourself for a drug joke. This is how far you fall. Okay. Yes. I appreciate that. You have the impression of me that one point I was not fallen as far now. We'll be hoisted you up for a while. And you ended up falling back down. Does patiently take forty seconds. Yes, it was. It was Mike influence going. Full bloom. Yeah. I'm just glad that we all still had our helmets on from the bikes, so that when we dropped you after we hoisted you when hurt ourselves. Thank you. Okay. So amazing race model. One. Rhyme. No. So next season when George's in college, I'm gonna keep using that drops, though, is, he on some sort of doogie howser plan, or do you anticipate the next season, the amazing race being significantly delayed? I think we never know when these things are gonna premier more and it just keeps getting longer and longer between seasons. He should do a boyhood thing where you record drop every year of his life. And then edit them together into one cohesive drp. I think he's gonna he's gonna love that. I'm gonna play it for his prom date. No. Okay. Okay. So first question comes from Nicole Swayze who tweets at us, you should talk about what happens. If your race provided vehicle breaks down, while you're driving yourself somewhere. And do you think that, that would have happened to Leo and Jamal if that nice Dutchman hadn't helped him with their boat? You have to question. So one thing we know at least in the earlier seasons of amazing race is when your vehicle breaks down, they would make a big deal out of it on the show, and they would they had like a whole little intro about it. Like if your vehicle breaks down through no fault of your own a replacement vehicle would be provided, but you will not be credited for any of the time lost while spent waiting for the new vehicle and this happened. There were a lot of tasks that kind of anticipated, somebody's vehicle would break down. There was one in eastern Europe someplace where they had to drive these old Janke Cold War cars, and they kept breaking down. And this used to be a thing that happened like every season, at least. One person would have a broken down car, but in recent seasons. I don't think it's ever come up. I don't know if the Bergen and Kurt thing from twenty six like if they had absolutely shredded their car with the stick stuff. If the car had been replaced, I'm not entirely sure. But it's so interesting hearing, the origin story of that, as well, Jeff, because I believe, doesn't involve a one founder of Tom shoes. Blake Mike O sqi, sorta became like the founder of this rule. Because he in the second leg of the amazing race season to him assist or about to be eliminated because their car broke down, and he like, basically argue with the producers of like needed at a time credit for the time that they lost. And I think as a result of that was when the producers came up with that rule about replacing them with the Coles. Yeah, I, I, I somewhat recall that. That's been that was a really long time ago Mike, but I think you're right about that. And there have been other instances of people like people's own stupidity causing their car to break down for instance, the time when everybody put diesel fuel. In their unleaded tanks or maybe the other way around. Now, would you say that, what happens the Afghan animals was a active God through no fault of their own? I mean that, didn't they would like sailing there. I won't say driving or sailing this boat. It's a motorboat it does not have sale, rob. Okay. Well they driving a boat is okay. So you're driving the boat around, but they're, they're going all over the place. I mean, if they got some gunk in the engine then isn't that their fault? I, I think it's hard to tell in that instance they'd have to have a forensic mechanic, wasn't a, but it was not a defective boat as far as I could tell. And they it turns out, we didn't really have to explore what would happen here because it turned out, they just kind of flooded the engine. And there are people that own motorboats that know what to do when you do that. Okay. So thankfully, we didn't have to find out what happens, but I assume that I had the boat been defective or had there been some question that the boat might have been defective than I think Leo, and Jamal would have been provided with another boat. Okay. Do you think they would have had to typically with that point dad collected both boats in the boat train would have had to collect both supplementary boats again or were they just have like reattached them to the new boat? I think they would have reattached them to the new boat because I think we also we also talked a little bit about this. I think I got a lot of people tweeting me last week. And it made me sad that I couldn't. Talk about it on the podcast. But there was a lot of talk about if you're partway through a task, and you get interrupted for some reason, do you have to go back and then do if you go back to the task do you have to do it over again. Or can you pick up where you left off? And I think I think similarly they've already collected their boats. They've done that part then they need to do the part where they get across the lake, rob. Do you feel like at least one team names? One of those boats voting mcboatface. I don't know. I don't know if anybody is a boaty mcboatface kind of group, I feel like that. Everybody's into their own self branding as opposed to getting on a meme. Boat face bowed mcboatface had an amazing week this week. So, yes, yes. As disgust on the most recent edition of news af with Danny Tyson. I. Yeah. I felt like Tyson's insights in particular Rivera coach. Yes. Lots of say. Okay. All right. All right. So coming up next Shannon gates wants to know how rare is it for there to be? No roadblock. I'm stumped on this one. I know that there have been cases. I know that actually early on in the first leg in the early season. They actually almost always did a detour but no road blocks in the early seasons of roadblock wasn't used until the very second lay of the race. But I can't think of in recent seasons when they've done this considering how much we've used the two road blocks. No detour but not the other way around. Yeah. I think it's happened. I've think we've seen we've seen legs where this has been the case. And I think especially in the earlier seasons they tended to not necessarily label some of the tasks like you had a lot more of these kind of nebulous, route marker tasks. But I think it's not totally unheard of. And the interesting thing is this felt I think Mike earlier you were comparing this to an amazing race Canada league and amazing race Canada tends to play fast and loose with what tasks are a lot more often. And they'll cram, a lot of extra tasks into a leg and not really tell you what they are. And I think. These last two legs in particular have felt very like mazing race the top of its game. And in those cases I feel like when the race is kind of firing on all cylinders. That's when you see it sort of improvising, and kind of, if they have a good enough task they don't have to necessarily put it in the formula that they always use. Although this is my conspiracy theory question that we haven't really talked about do we think maybe this boat task was supposed to be a roadblock. And they decided it was too hard. Hm. Think it's more fun that both teams in the boat though. Yeah. I think so I it's maybe it was a question of it being fun. I think one person in the boat by themselves. They can't yell at anybody. They just have to kinda take abuse from the locals fright. Get called an idiot. It's more fun to have idiots plural. Yeah, it have people calling each other in idiot. Yeah. So I guess what the other team member have hung out with Phil. And apparently the greater for this leg, which we didn't see none of women. Be forefathers of the amazing race himself Bertram van Munster. That's true. Apparently apparently from what I've been reading, apparently she was wearing his trademark red hat. So people are very closely paying attention to the shots. We saw in the episode. But apparently, he is Dutch. So I guess that would make sense that he was the greeter for the leg just thinks that we didn't see him. Yeah. Let's kind of like the time that fills dad was agreed. Oh, good times times bed. I did. They have a greeter and the greeter just cancelled. I don't know. I, I feel like just like having fills foot father in there. It's a nice way to Tino, reference something outside of amazing race as connected with the country. How do you think Phil's father would have reacted to the Gulf, that Phil was giving some of these teams on the map? I don't think Phil would have been quite as candidate. His dad was standing there. But I mean he's candidate enough if his boss is standing right there. I think it's also like no, no, like really dump on the F Ghanimat's. That'd be fun. Yeah. You're not being enough of a jerk fill. Like, really like. Ask what the hell happened? Yeah. Very nuff. Okay. But yeah, having Bertram van Munster, your greeter that feels more like they were supposed to have somebody and they cancelled. Yeah. They make their way to that island. They got lost. Maybe it was a bucket list thing for Bertram. Maybe. Or maybe he just feels like you know, he's not he's not hands on enough. These days he's getting back in there to get his hands dirty. Yes. All right. So next mazing wanna one question. And I think I think this is a really interesting one that we've not really talked about. And it's got a really interesting answer. So I like this. One Diana wants to know do eliminated teams, go home before painting everyone at the final leg met, or are they sent to a ponder, Rosa type place? And I know Mike knows the answer to this one. I can't remember if we talked about this. But yeah, we sure I'm sure we did. At some point. Yeah. Because there is some weird history involved with this, specifically CBS coverage of it. Yes. Yes. I missed those that was fun eliminated teams. Do have a Ponderosa type place that they go to at least the first few, and I don't know if this remains the case, and I hope that we can get we talked to some racers and get a fact check on this, but for a very long time like the first six or so eliminated teams would go to a resort and for several seasons. Especially in the middle there, they had this thing called elimination station where they would it was like a Ponderosa type web series where you can wash little videos, every eliminated team showing up and the teams greeting each other and interacting dealing with race fallout or calling or they call somebody on the phone, or they like hang out poolside, and those were kind of fun. They were never quite as entertaining as survivor Ponderosa videos tend to get. But the really interesting thing I think, is what the rest of the teams would do. And I believe they still do this. But there's not really time to go. Hang out a resort for a few days. If you're one of the last few teams to go out so you continue to travel with the teams that are still deal. Yeah. It's a good deal. I feel like this is the ideal thing go out in team funds slot. And then continue to travel and get to see all the places and not actually have the stress of raising the sounds great. But a lot of times those teams would also run decoy legs so that the spoiler community would see them out there and they were still in it or just to test, the course, to make sure that the challenges are set up correctly and okay. So that is what used to happen to teams. And we haven't really talked this out with any more recent teams to find out if that's still what happens. So I'm hoping that we get a deep dive with at least one team who's been in the situation that can tell us if that's still the case. But then of. Course everybody flies out together, and is waiting on the mat. When the final three teams roll up at the end of the race I do recall talking with Elissa couple of weeks ago that she was alluding to like her and criminalize engine Ellen. Brittany, sort of like bonding at the resort. So I believe that part. Still hold true to your point. Yes, I'm not sure about, you know, the final six five and four teams running decoy final legs, though. I feel like we, we missed on an elimination station because I feel like Becca and Floyd could have done a rap video to rival Chris. Nobles. Well, there's a collaboration. I wanna see now. Yeah. So that's good. Yes. Smash that egg featuring Kris noble. Yeah. Let's, let's make this video this needs to happen. Can they rhyme elimination station with anything? Could jay? But it already Grimes itself. Yeah. So that's already half the rhymes that are that are gone. Stuff. Okay. All right. What are the questions we have from the listeners? All right. So. I'm I'm looking for things that we have not actually touched upon. Here's some interesting ones about the ditch jumping task J farms wants to know could Becca and Floyd have gotten a penalty for throwing the cheese across the river instead of holding jumping. Depends on what the clue said. Right. Yeah. I just get it across the river. I don't know if it exactly said, I mean, listen, as we said they were playing fast and loose with the rules around that ditch. Anyway, it was just in the marketplace things became a lot, stricter. Yeah. And we had a lot of people also ask if you thought your eggs might break, why wouldn't you just get more than twelve to begin with? And I have to assume that was not allowed a lot of people. Ask me about the u-turn placement because people were excited about this. But Joshua Felix had out there question that I think would be fun. He says given some traveling back in time to the old u-turn could you ever see a return of the yield? I have no desire to see it back as a permanent fixture. But a one time, return of the yield be fun, especially when placed at a task, so they angrily glare at the other teams. I understand where he's coming from. I think the yield brings out some interpersonal dynamics that could be fun where you literally have to face, you know, the people that was the fun thing about the yield being used in season. Five with the aforementioned, Colin and Christie was, I believe the tests. They were doing was, like right at the yield. So all could do was just glare chip and Kim doing this task. But I feel like the intensity amazing race is standing around waiting. And that's what the yield is one of the things I like about the u-turn above the yield is that they're actually going to do something rather than just standing around for fifteen minutes. What are the interesting things about amazing race Australia season two? Which I know I talk about the seasonal lot, but it is a very good one is that they had both u-turn and a yield, and I thought that was very interesting because it sort of subverted your expectations like there are two different things in play. It's like having an immunity idol and vote. Steal too many advantages or disadvantages, too many disadvantages, they need to put it up on the screen. What does this team has? So then people don't get confused like lower third. Yeah. Like they've been yielded and you turned in the same league. Yes. But they might find the fast forward to get to the intersection to arrive team. They won't you turn, and they use one fake yield one express pass fresh. This is not an express pass just could t- make a steak. Route marker. To trick the other teams fate clue. Yes. Like, how would they even do that with they like Britain, red and yellow crayons? Really handy team in like one of these like, you know, big markets where there might be some supplies. Yeah, nobody's ever tried that. But they haven't had Boston, rob running the race in hot. Let's say he would do those. Can't wait for season season thirty reality to with, with, with David Ryan Joe angle, just gonna completely change the game when it comes to fake. I'd be here for that. I this is my new challenge to anybody listening to this podcast who is in the casting process for amazing grace and might someday run the race. I want you to now figure out a way to fabricate a fake advantage. Like, if you're very good at art, like draw a clue and modify it so that it looks like an express pass or put a flag in the wrong place. I want to see that happen. Now we're we're transforming the game. This is the Lucien strategy at work, right here. Yes. Yes. Henry, Henry de Maria wants to know. Do you think about the u-turn this late the Afghan will get out this episode or is that just editing? I know. I mean, the gambles I know they felt pretty far behind during the boats, but I still feel like Victor. Nicole and team fun. We're still pretty far back, even when they only completed one half of the detour, so as much as a Leo and Jamal got bogged down in the swamps of whatever town, they were in. I still like to think that one of those other teams would have gone, and they would have survived. Yeah. It's hard to say because. Yeah they really struggled a lot with the canal. And but I don't know if anybody really struggled with the second part of the detour. Yeah, it's true. Like it seemed like this was a classic example of like having a skill detour slash attention to detail. And then one that was just a lot of brute force, as well as one that made much better TV because, you know, we've seen that digital tting enough times that we've gotten everything we're getting very familiar. Yeah it did. And there were no seventy two year old men going across and their underwear. Less entertaining guy, unfortunately. Okay. So I've got lots of questions about the canal that I feel like we've kind of covered, but I thought Cole made an interesting point here. What was the layout of the canal and wouldn't it be easy to hear our see someone grabbing a huge boat that takes time to retrieve and follow them? And I think it was much bigger than you could have actually, I think it was way too big for that to happen. But I'm interested to hear your thoughts that hence the amazing ways with the big map with everyone. Gio cashed on it. I mean following such an interesting idea anyway, because there was an interesting thing this episode. We're like it seemed like Colin Christie Tyler and Corey, and, and they have gained we're sort of like all following each other working together, beckoned Floyd told me in their in their interview with me that they were very adamant to actually not follow teams this lake because they felt like they wanted to sort of put into the race where they want to play their own path and make their own decisions. But yeah, I do wonder when you have Colin Krisztian Tyler and Corey get or Kahn Christie and the app. Gambles get to the boats. I why did they don't work together to find the boats that they wanted to get to the pit stop at the same time? Yes. Mccallum in crissy's kind of ditch Tyler core towards the end. No, they didn't do the ditch. They. The. Yeah. I think it's one of those things where there are times when it is advantageous to work with somebody and times, where it might not be. And I think it may not have been clear like that, all of the boats restored in the same place. And this is one of those things if you knew that you might be able to work with somebody and get it done faster. But if you're just assuming that you have to find that sorta like that task where they're in the Dyno suits looking for the eggs, and they eggs could be anywhere you have to that one person. Finding a boat means less boats for you to find, and that could be something where maybe it's not that great to work with somebody. So if you don't know that going in, you're not going to work with anybody. So, okay. I think that pretty much wraps up our questions about this episode but we did have some good questions about the finale. And I think that's a good way to close out the program. Okay. So watching tell wants to know among the four remaining teams, who has the amazing race winner at it. This is I mean he just did a fantastic job of predicting what the maids, great splinter edit is. Here's the thing that I've sort of figured out about the amazing race, especially the last few seasons and correct me if I'm wrong here, but, you know, I feel like going into the finale. It's always it's a lot of times it's been like, well this one team has been very dominant for a lot of the race in terms of first place victories. I think they have the best chance of winning, if feels like the past like four or five seasons. That team has not ended up winning. So I feel like if you're looking at track record, yes, it could come down to like Tyler Corey or a Colin in Christie. But if feels just like recent history has said that maybe those that have the most dominant record going into leg. Twelve does not necessarily have it in the bag of eggs. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Mike. I think personally looking at all of these racers and looking at the store that they've had so far. I almost think the most compelling story, if not, I don't know, if necessarily story, we're getting, but I think the most interesting and compelling win for me would be Victor, Nicole, which that surprises the hell out of me to hear these say that especially given that I wasn't necessarily a big fan of theirs coming into this season. But I feel like they're the last non amazing Reese, team standing really kind of figured things out along the way Victor is a beast. And if they ended up pulling out a win that would be such a great story would be a great story. I don't see it though as the story of the season. I think that, that's a nice story. They end up being the best of the non racing teams but I feel like second or third places in the car. Words for Nicole Richter. Well, let's do this things. I think we this for amazing race thirty. Do we want to try to go around the horn and predict who we think? Let's let's go into three or four on predictions for the end. Mike. Do you wanna go first? Sure. So I'll go I'll go backwards for dramatic effect because that's I guess, but we'll see play out over the course of the two hours. I am all about symmetry here, we spoke about we spoke about Becca and Floyd finishing in fifth twice just for the fun of it. I'm gonna put the F Ganim in fourth, especially with the competition winnowing down. I would not be surprised if you know they have yet another bad leg, and this ends up being the one that released screws them and for what it's worth, they're going to leave a with the leg record. I believe as of running this next lay, they'll now have reached thirty three combined legs across three seasons, which officially overtakes, Rachel it'll remains to be seen whether or not they bring that up, but they do hold the record going into this finales, I'm gonna say Afghanistan's fourth. I agree with you all about Nicole, and Victor, I'm going to put them at third right now because they're running against two teams that will. Have already raced in amazing race finale. You'd have to soon that they're both more will crypt for essentially, but we talked about before the final leg is running around a city doing a bunch of different tasks. So you can imagine that they're both ball of quit for that. Whereas I know Nicole struggled a bit, particularly during that mountain run in Switzerland. I'm going to, you know what, I'll go with the original winner, pick that I made back in June two thousand eighteen can tell her and Corey, and second call and Krisztian I that's what I would really love to see the amazing race five lover and me would love to see a storyline this fifteen years in the making come to fruition no offense Tyler in Corey. I really haven't enjoying what they've been doing this season. They make fantastic winters as well. But I got to go with my heart here. Okay. So Mike, I have written down the exact same order that you have. But I don't mind saying that I will be rooting for Tyler and Corey to win it. You know, I don't have. The nostalgia for Colin in Christie to come and take this, but I do feel like that. They are just starting to peak. And I wonder if Tyler inquiry with all those first place finishes had their peak in the middle or two thirds of the way through the race. And now Colin Christie really turning it on here at the end. So I would say, if I had to predict it, I'll say that, I think that Colin Christie or the winners, and Tyler, and Quarrier and second, Nicole Victor and third. And I agree. Also on the Afghan animals being the first team out in the to our show. We're putting all our eggs in the call and Christie basket. And that sounds like the most satisfying story. I think I'm with you both on this, Mike forgot I was on the podcast for second. I, but I there's one thing that gives me pause about all of that, and that there is a moment in the preview for next week where we see calling Christie, sitting in the back of a helicopter and Christie is kind of losing it in Collins, like wiping away a tear and I wonder if that is like a edit situation where they're so far behind. They're out of it. Interesting could be could be tears of joy. It'd be it could also be penultimate plague task is because I think we saw we saw the helicopter. We saw a rowing, some boats, not not motoring them. So I don't know exactly what's final leg. And what's not? But I mean, I hope again, hope of hopes that it's happy tears, but I do see your point could very much be construed as well. We thought we had this finally, and it slipped through our grasp again or it could be it could be like we thought we think we're out of it now but we're gonna come back and win at all is kind of similar. I think that's kind of similar in spirit to what we got an amazing race Canada without spoiling it, there was a team that Dan and I thought initially, we're going to win. And then we thought they have no shot of winning. And then they we thought they were out of it and they came from behind to win the whole thing in very last leg. And this could be the story, we're getting Paul Christie up near the top of the leg while they're in the still in the helicopter face because let's face it, helicopters and go to the final. They're totally zapper during this one like two seconds, seen we got and they're crying because they think that they're too far behind to make up time, and they, then they end up like something miraculous happens like Tyler Corey wreck their car would have to wait for new one. And they ended up coming in I I don't know right now. Do we think that somebody will be eliminated at the met in the first hour? Or do you think it'll be one of these, like, okay? Well we keep racing. Now you go to go to America. You're in fourth place, but you're still in it. I have to assume that's not going to have. I don't like it. When I think we move paths. Anybody tried that in twenty five and twenty six I think the fact that we have in brought it back is a signal enough that the producers like to try it out. But Bertram would rather be a pitch soft greater than to eliminate a team halfway through the final leg. Okay. All right. Anything else about leg number ten before we are back next week with our finale recap. No, I'm excited. I think these last two legs in particular have been like classic petanque ideal of amazing race. And I'm hoping that we get a finale that's half is good. Okay. I completely agree. I think that much, like Colin Chrissy, I think the season has really Pete, the last couple of weeks, even though we really did lose a really great entertaining team in team fund, and to Justice point. I agree that it really sucked to see them go out in the way that they did. But I mean, the entertainment that they brought rob. I totally agree with what you said in your exit interview that they were a delight to watch over the course of this season. And hopefully they come back once more. Yeah, I just to reiterate that point about team fun. I think the same thing about Tyler in Corey to that. What I love about those two teams is that I feel like that. They just embody. The spirit of the amazing race of the amazing race is supposed to be fun and good. And they are up for the adventure and they are up for whatever task the show throws at them. You rarely see them without a smile on their faces and they're just excited to be there. And they're and their joy to watch both of those teams. And so I think that they are a big part of the fun that I've had in covering this season of the race. And I'm really glad that they came back. And I would be delighted to see them on more seasons of the race. Yeah, it really does feel like. And just correct me if I'm wrong here that, I think we've sort of moved past the amazing race where they were casting teams that brought entertainment, but for brought these ugly American stereotypes, you know, you're like Freddie and Kendra 's your Ron and Kelly's you can even say like your Nick Vicki's. You're Chattan, Stephanie from season seventeen I think that these teams have a lot of admiration for the race that they're participating in, and that just shows, and it reflects outwards, and that they're providing a lot of fun moments as well. They don't necessarily reflect badly on them or the country that representing outside of running their boats into small children, these types of contestants on all of the CBS, trinity of shows the contestants that are just, you know, so excited to be there, and they play hard because it's their dream to be there. And they're excited and you can feel their excitement for what they're doing. Through the TV screen, and I feel like that. Those teams and people are very easy to root for on these shows. I think we've had a surplus of those teams this season, I can't think of a single team on here that didn't seem like they were having a good time at they were legitimately excited to be there. And not just like collecting a paycheck from CBS because this is their job. All right. With that in mind, let's get ready for the finale, Mike. What do you have coming up? So survivor, South Africa keeps chugging along like a wayward boat train. We had the purple pants bad ass himself Bryce Isaiah onto this. He was absolutely fantastic. Honestly bucket list item for me to be able to podcast with Bryce, and he was a delight as always so shit or are going solo this week. But I'm sure there's going to be another exciting episode of survivor South Africa, talk about and got some stuff for poacher recaps in the hopper to becoming now in the next couple of weeks. But more to come on that as the season ends. Okay. Also. I know that the big big brother cast, dropped and rob. You started up your big coverage of it. I came up with a preview of the cats and I'll be doing exit press weekly for that as well this season. He'll be sure to check that out for parade. Okay. And just how about you. Well, last week, I had a piece that I very much enjoyed writing for primetime or dot com about they're in the midst of talking about people that would think should be nominated for any and I wrote about why I think Charlie Barnet should be getting an EMMY nomination for his work on Russian doll and really enjoyed revisiting Russian doll and kind of thinking through that character in that role and how much fun that was to watch and then next week, I'm going to be doing another piece in that series about the Hulu series Penn fifteen so that should be landing probably ladies out of that. Pin? Fifteen Penn fifteen. Yeah, yeah, it is a series. It's about the difficulties of navigating. The eighth grade in nineteen ninety nine and the two principal actors are actually women in their thirties. Who are the creators of the show have written about their experiences? In the grade, and then they play themselves that they are thirty something women playing themselves as eighth graders. And then every other one of their peers is also is not an adult but in actual eighth grader. So it's an interesting conceit. And once you get past the weirdness of that, it's a really extraordinarily written show. It's a lot of fun guy. And it's very I recommend everybody anybody who was alive in that era. Should check it out because it's a great nostalgic trip as well as being very honest and real and I've got a lot of coverage up from big brother. We did our big draft as Mike bloom pointed out on Twitter, two hours, twenty two minutes and twenty two seconds of drafting of the big brother Twenty-one cast. So be sure to check that out for our full preview of these new players going into the big brother house, perhaps future amazing. Racers who knows? On big brother, twenty one and then, in addition to that, you can also check out my latest edition of talking with t-bird as t-bird Cooper was able to track down survivor legend, and I can Stephanie la- gross Kendrick. Chatted with her the other day and another fun podcast with t-bird as a T bird is still on the hunt for the survivor alumni that you want to hear from I am legitimately very excited for that. Stephanie such a survivor historical icon. I know she's sort of been lost to the annals of history with all the means about filet Mignon pizza. But it's so crazy just thinking about how Oltra popular she was during, you know, the, the end of the first ten seasons of survivor going around the bend into the teens. So the point where people from Guatemala said, they legitimately apply for the show because of Stephanie. So I think her her impact on the franchise cannot be overstated. I am super eager to hear exactly what her thoughts are on her experience today and just where she's gone in the past ten years since we've essentially seen her or heard from your so listen to that one. It's a fun interview. And then. Next week we should have interviews with the final four teams. I believe that's what we should be scheduled to again. You never know what who's traveling. Or what, but that, that is the plan that we will have interviews with the winner and the other three teams heading into the finale on. Next week's podcast. I think, well, we're going to do talking with Scott's NPR, is that, that will be its own podcast. And then we will be back with the recap on Thursday night to get back and record. So look for a my interviews with the final four teams, dropping sometime Thursday afternoon. And then we will record our recap Thursday night. And for most of you, you'll have that on Friday morning of next week, so be on the lookout for that follow. Jessica lease on Twitter, she's at haymaker Howdy. I'm rob cicirino? Mike bloom that Mike bloom type take everybody a good one. Bye. This episode of rod a podcast is sponsored by friends over at truecar every car comes with its share stories like that, and your bumper. 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Amazing Race 31 Episode 4 Recap & Exit Interview

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Amazing Race 31 Episode 4 Recap & Exit Interview

"Hera was going on rob Citreon getting ready for our amazing race exit interview and recap hereafter episode number four of the amazing race thirty one. We're gonna do things a little bit differently. In this episode of the podcast. I'm going to have the exit interview with the most recently eliminated team Korean. And Elisa we're gonna have that up. I last couple exit interviews we had those at the end of the recap. But this is one I think that people are going to particularly want to hear considering the interest in Karen and Elisa, so you'll hear my exit interview with Korean and Elisa first, and then Jessica lease and Mike bloom will join me for the recap for whatever reason if you want to skip ahead to the recap you can do. So by skipping ahead about sixteen minutes in. Your pod. Catcher to kick off our recap of the amazing race from this week. 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When you do with friends download ship for free at get shipped dot com slash H. AP? That's get S H I P P E D dot com slash alright. JP get shipped dot com slash our AP and start today. And let's go ahead and get to my exit interview with Korean and Elisa who called in earlier this afternoon criminalize. Oh, what's going on? Hi. How are you poor? Okay. We wish we weren't talking to you quite yet. I wish I wish it was later in the season two, but I always relish the opportunity to get the talk. So I guess let's let's get into this. And I wanna know how was the reaction to last night's show for you. Both the reaction like our reaction or the Twitter reaction or Instagram over. How are you guys doing because I saw some negativity coming your way, we're fine Coron crafts me and said allies of death thing that can happen is all the negativity that will be you and our way because hey, it's better to be hated than to be forgotten guts true. This is true. I didn't get back on my third reality show because America love me like that. That's that's brand. So I'm fine with all of that. But as far as like, my reaction from watching it I found I didn't win when we were in it. I felt so so so horrible watching her struggle, and so frustrated, and it just seemed like everything was against us. We couldn't catch up rate. And and watching it back taking sort of that I guess that level of anxiety while you're racing out of the equation. It was able to see sort of how we treated each other and how much like our friendship and our love for each other. How that actually played out? And I thought that that was really satisfying an angle I never would have thought was going to be portrayed. So I that was kind of the the cool thing that came out of it. But I didn't expect at all. Yeah. I would agree with that. I think that that's a really one of the amazing things about Ukraine is you are. A great friend. And I think it gets overlooked that what a nurturer you can be. I mean, I like I very much like the idea of not just being a one dimensional character. Whatever that one dimension is. And I think that this is the first time on TV, I've been able to have more dimensions and the singles for LIZA, you know, both of us. I remember in Tara Moen also when dawn was having low points, and you even you took care of Cochran. So I think that there are points where we've seen that a little bit before what I would love to hear more about is that you guys seem very upset with Rachel Annalisa in the and it seemed like the only thing that happened was that they had said, hey, that's our cab. Was there more to what was going on? As why you guys seem so frustrated with them. There was a little bit. But for the most part, I mean, it it basically could've been anyone on the mat next to us. And if we were the one getting eliminated, we would've despised those people really I mean, as you can see from the comments that we were actually making, oh, I hate them. I've never seen to them again. I mean, it was nothing specific that. It was just our, you know, extremes devastation and disappointment and anger and frustration with getting eliminated. When I mean, I think it was also really evident how much this meant to us and how deeply cared about staying in the race and fighting, and we had so much more to give it just we had a bad day. No have Rachel Melissa been blocked on any social media platforms. No good friends with them. We've talked to them all the time. I I texted saw right before the episode, Eric 'cause I was like, you know, that I love you know, that I have no idea what I said. I'm not going to. You know, it doesn't mean anything. No, I tried to the picture of imagine. Rob. I like like, I've never seen a minute of big brother. I don't know anything. I didn't even know who I was aware. Rachel the person. I didn't even know she had a sister named Melissa they show up head to toe Indian green Foty glove outfit with like how all the fit and they've got like crazy. I lashed piglets, and they're just they're they're decorum during the racist very different than the way that I work and just the way that they were upon first infection with auditing. I was like who are these girls. I didn't know anything about them. And I didn't get to know them on the race. At all. I got to know the master the reason I can say, honestly, I genuinely like them very much relate. But when we're racing like, you only what you're handed like I didn't have any other contacts ago on. So I watched them push people out of the way. I watched them. You know, you a lot of things that like we've found were offing, you know. So that's where like my opinion of them came from. But it was it was inaccurate which goes to show, you you troll internet. But sometimes you don't really know just because you today. Can you talk a little bit about the moped and why it was such a struggle? Absolutely. So I mean, I spent I spent the first thirty five years of my life actively avoiding getting on what my all my friends were doctors called a donor cycles, meaning, you know, best organ donations best organ donations, come from motorcycle accidents because it's a quick death. And so the organs are still good. And usually if young healthy people riding motorcycles. And we call them donor cycles, so I actually chose Dr driving motorcycle true. And and so I don't have a death wish. I, you know, I I love my life. I don't want to you know, get injured. I've watched people get injured throughout all my travels on motorcycles, whether it be in Thailand or and NB at Phnom or in other watched friends crash their motorbikes and get very they hurt. I watched a girl who. I'm not traveling in Thailand, flip off the motorcycle and break close of her arms off a motorbike to arm done. She broke both arms shoes in this house in her arms out like a like, a, you know, stiff and it ruined her trip. She had to be airlifted home. Anytime. I've had the opportunity to ride a motorbike. I've been like no, I'm just gonna pay to random back at somebody else's. And of course, now, I wish that wasn't the case. And I wish I had at some point in my life learned to item motorbike, but maybe that'd be dead. If I had I don't know. I mean, I find them terrifying. And unpleasant, and the bike was big in a bit unwieldy, and I had no experience on there. And and it was very difficult. And I you know, I was never gonna quit never gonna give up. I kept trying. God it, but it was. Yeah. It was it was a shoe Shange for me. And then the added stress of having all these teams show up in pass me and pass the pass me, you know, just compounded with all that bad history with the motorcycles was there any talk of Corinne doing that part of the. Task. So no, we had our kind a long time ago if it was any kind of driving challenge, it was gonna be hurt. We went through every single possible towns had ever seen on amazing and decided to do what we never opened a clue, and we're like, you know, you do it. It was gonna be her. I wanna add that like I understand the idea that when you're watching it you're like, oh Kerlin must feel like Sam. I wish I said that I do not, rob. I have the balance of somebody who you said it on the episodes. Yeah. I ever with inter Eric is also wasted. Like, I am not. I literally before we started literally like the day before I took a spin class, and I fell off a stationary bike. Is this like this is not my wheelhouse? She was the right person. We would have been eliminated. If it was me. Like, I I get that. It'd be really nice history. But I've the person for that you had these other ten teams that you were out there with as as everything good with all of these other teams that you guys played the race with. Yes. And in fact, not only do we talk to all the other teams. But I was the person who gathered every single person cell phone number. Put us all on a group chat, the whole cast on one Shattuck facilitated that and I always make sure like I don't think anyone's birthday, and and send it to the whole group and everybody's like in touch. And super friendly with one another, you know, we do have some offshoot chats with people who are closer with. But yes, we are in touch with all the with all the even the FDA animals. It seemed like that that was another team that you guys had friction with on the race. You're not care for them. I am not really to that. I'm on my group's read. But like, I don't really care for them. Was that strictly because of what was going on the race? Now, I just you know, some people in life. You just don't have any for. I would say they they're under that category. I mean, you can think we played onto reiver's eases where like there's a few calf numbers that like sure you'd like give them a high five at reunion comfort. But you're not gonna go out of your way to fan touch with them say the Afghan author that what was the highlight of the four legs of the race that you guys went on? I would say on when we got to the school in long Vong where we had memorize the Laotian alphabet. And we were just so in the moment with each other. So on each other. All right. We're gonna come up within the Monica we're gonna memorize this. We're gonna do it and it just played our strength. And I thought you know, we just had so much fun doing it. Because we were we were just doing it. And we were doing well. And we came up with things, and they were hilarious mid it. Even show all of them. I mean, I wish one of the leading teams showed every one of our demonic because they were pretty good. If I do say so myself, and we we excelled at that challenge. That was our one Chiron where it said currently in first place. So I think that that was probably like a pretty big highlight for us, and you guys had a great leg in leg number three. And of course, that it's been a big hit at my house Korean at my kids, really like watching you guys handle the prawns and have to get the hook out of their mouth how hard with that to battle with the prawns. You know, I just wanna point out that like I just sixteen years of dancing and the children for all four years, but we had previously disgusted if there was a dance. That involved. We would not take it. So I couldn't either about every been so much as touched a live shrimp before we didn't have the tape. We're like shrimping Issur Bank. So we get there. And we don't know what we're in war. Tyler Corey are not doing well. And for some reason, there are no other team what we did to get the hang of it. But I would have lost a finger if that bent, we could advance another leg. So the the pain of them biting, and they were super aggro was really of small price to pay to be good at something. So I wasn't you know, I didn't can't do it didn't show there were double hook and one of them. Once I pulled it out. I let go one I'm going to get the other and it went directly into Coron panned. So there was like a hook hooking her actual hand, like a solid thirty seconds before able to pull that out. I mean, it was we were disaster. But we actually did pretty well at that as well as close with Britain. Chris also were there any opportunities where the? Veivers could have collaborated where we see that the big the big brother alliance is kind of thing on the show that bullshit you, and I both know that if someone asks you to be an alliance say, yeah, anything where he was an actual organic real jet or relationship with another team, which we had with Kristen Brad. The problem is Kristen but also suck at. What would have? Needed on here. Like, it was not. Yeah. You guys were like ships in the night. Yeah. I would like because there's no way they're dancing, and they were there. Was this something that you guys saw on the TV show that really surprise you that you didn't know while you were out there. I think we I mean, there's it's not what you what you saw the show. What you didn't see on the show that always surprises me? Like, we watched the deleted scenes. You know, obviously, we can't remember what the hell we said it was a year ago. And I'll watch what rooting for myself. I'm like, yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I'm just there's so much. I feel like that's so in particular is different from big brother and survivor is not they don't flesh out the character as much because they're really the major character in this show is not the team. It's the actual countries you're in. And so a lot of time is spent, you know, establishing the culture of that country, and why that talent is relevant. So you don't get a lot of the stuff ends up on the cutting floor, and to me that that when I watched it seems that the stuff that like kind of got me, whereas what I was watching on the TV. We've only got about another minute. Or so is there anything else that you want the listeners of the podcast to know that they may be interested in? I mean, we have friends like other teams drunk own meter like that if I don't meet our. Yeah. Like, we you whatever you see on TV internet trolls, you don't know. And you don't really know what goes on? We actually have a very really great relationship with almost all of the other teams that that is true that I mean, we it's true. I mean, I think they all like us in real life in fight of what it looks like on television. And you know, I think that a lot of what was shown I think I mean, I think that as I as I like elimination episode. I was glad that it showed our friendship and Coron, you know, softer side, and how supportive and loyal of offend. She is and it should never, you know, people when they. Heard that we were cast together. Like, oh can't wait to see those explosion. Like they're gonna be abusive to one another. And that was just never the case. And I know some people find our our elimination very satisfying. But I think that you know, we showed that we would never give on our listeners. Now, I hope not and that you know, that that are in his extremely supportive. I mean, I texted her because I was watching upset east coast time, and I was like shit grin. This is kind of off ramp for you like you're being so just nights. Well. We're all sad to see you guys on the show. It's not gonna be as fun moving forward. But you hope to talk to you both again soon. Okay. All right. Take care. Bye. Already there you have it Karenin Elisa talking about everything going on on the amazing race. And we go from one dynamic duo to another as I bring in my co-host for our amazing race recap. I let me welcome in our chief amazing race. Correspondent Jessica how are you? I'm doing great rob excited to be here. We'll carry on. I have to get to believe is this the podcast debut of brand new daddy. Mike bloom. I thought for your second like is this the podcast debut of baby Asher bloom, and I was about to scramble and run out in the room and this getting produce some intelligible syllables about the amazing race episode which will see if I've been capable of doing that in Seraing how punch drunk I might be less than a week into having a newborn. Okay. My congratulations to you an Angela on the birth of baby Ashra was a week ago that we were all talking about the amazing race, and we were not expecting this. Yeah. I mean, he came he's supposed to come actually recording this on a Thursday. He's supposed to come on Tuesday the day before the finale, I think baby boom just want to see if Rick Devon's was able to relate, you know, work his way out of the. Hole that he's done for himself. So understandably he ended up being born on may the four. So it's been really interesting. He had his first big reality TV night last night watching a survivor in basic race back to back. He's a little confused. But I'm only assume that he was naturally attracted to the idea of giant polar bear, assuming that he is a baby. So there's something for everyone there. Yeah. I do find that. There's a lot on these amazing race episodes for me to show my kids. This is like the first time that there's been an amazing race season in a while they're old enough to look at. I do find that. There's a lot of things between animals and polar bears just to show my way. And it's a pullover. Not an animal either. I mean, he's he's not a real polar bear, this particular polar bear, I believe was a person in a costume. I really if you have any doubts left to your head. Rob. I really don't wanna Pruitt anything for you. But I do think that was a person I think we will times I've ninety nine shore times. That's what I was thinking. I I did love that my favorite was his involvement in the speed bump where again, he was just this four man who got mowed down is probably receiving workman's comp from Brittany barreling into him earlier on the episode. But when he's like when Chris and trying to make snowballs you just hear very muffled on Kardar. No, it'd be more tightly. He has he's that guy who's in the goofy costume who. Like they forced to talk because he has to be the task judge while also the mascot of the the task appropriately, Chris and breath said that the polar bear was taunting them. So that was part of the speed bump episode, but I just we need segue. Our top story at this hour. You heard it at the top of the show are. A friends from survivor the second survivor team to fall Karinna and Elisa. It is not been historically, very good. Place to go after survivor lease. Yes. Monitor keep blowing through here we capture week. It seems to make one Aaron and his little Boston. Rob drive off. Yeah. Doesn't like that. Anyway, my it's not not looking great for the teams. Although this was Brenton Chris's best leg of the race. Yeah. I did see something on red at that is super Samantha semantics ask us statistics. But I believe Britain Chris now officially hold the record for best comeback from finishing last in elimination league with nine teams. And so there might be a bit of hope for them in a season where I did feel like we were sort of separating the Kurds from the way in terms of teams that were really doing well and teams that were not doing so much. Maybe things are starting to thin out a bit to just look bit, you know, dairy like overall. But yet it's crazy to see that end. I mean, if Chris bread had not been saved last week in the same thing played out this way, we would have seen all three survivor Daves. Go back to back to back. Okay. All right. We are going to get into everything from this leg of the race. Just well, what's the biggest headline for you? Besides the team that was eliminated. I think they went out. We gotta talk about that. I think we gotta talk about the return of the basket boats. Yet cabs feeling up in there. We got Severi fun. Yet, the very fun something or other happening that construction of those wheels of there's a lot to break them. Okay. All right. So we open the festivities as the teams were headed for. What is this place called the snow town? Are we not ice town not ice down? And my this is just like a fun jaunt to snow town. Yeah. I think if you're such took the inflatable Mount Fuji and conceptualize it into a building it might be this all admit, I'm a fan of the chintzy nece, especially on amazing race. This felt a little chintzy to me. I was happy that poor Floyd did not, you know, mitigated his chances of getting heat stroke in Vietnam for the second leg in a row. I hope he didn't get thraw spite I mean, but I are the thing that sold this. Visit and especially I would say maybe this episode in general was. Just poor Britney being an unstoppable force meeting. A movable object was that man in the polar bear costume. Yeah. Yeah. And now was the title of the episode. I took out a polar bear. Yeah. Which I mean, I think very much out of context I could've seen a section of the internet definitely killing after Britney if they just took that convent completely have the context of the amazing race. Yeah. She's not poaching. The polar bears now, I've only she's giving them shade. That is a roadblock. We don't wanna see. No, we don't want that. And then just things got progressively more difficult from there, and I don't know if this is by design or not, but it was nearly impossible for some of these teams to find a cab to get to the detour. Sometimes it's easy to find it happens. Sometimes it's really really not. Before we get to far down the road of the roadblock. Others few race mechanics things that I wanna highlight it snow him, and as well as a little race history lesson if you was this put into my mind, something that we've already seen on this show way back in season fifteen in Dubai. They went to like the real version of this. Which makes this seem even cheesier by comparison because there is an actual ski slope that is indoor in Dubai, and I think we've been there more than once this point on all of the international versions blur together as well. But people were made to actually ski down the actual e slope in Dubai. So the fact that there's like this very tiny indoor hill and your sliding down on a sled designed for five. That head of added a little bit more to the cheesy carnival version of this that compared to the DisneyWorld of the endorse he slow into. I just I felt bad for not only the polar bear. But those poor work hers. Just that retold okay at the bottom of the slope and had these grown adults just completely down a hill at into especially people like Chris and Brett who the mate in how much they sunk their boat. I can only imagine what a combined five hundred pounds barrel into a poor minimum wage Vietnamese worker, look like, well, I was wondering are those people always there or did? They just show up for the amazing race. I think they're always there. But I think usually the people barreling into them are high. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I I don't know for sure. But it looks like I hid the lace meat and another great Brittany highlight for as much as may have been made this episode about the Brierley's versus current allies. I don't know if you guys saw this. I know Eric Curto brought this up, but Britney even pretty like a Julie Rosenberg esque push. Julie's husband as push to Rachel when she grabbed the sled to get away from. I didn't catch that in the episode. But it's anything like the Twitter video that I recently saw that's one hell of a push. That was that was maximum security in the decade Irby. Okay. Just I any else on snow town before we talked about cap gate. I think right now is a very good time for Mike at I to resurrect the segment that we have invented or this podcast while you were out RAV we created a new weekly recurring theme for show are the recalling amazing race wanna one and Mike, and I have dropped hor-. You actually at one of our I again fan of ours has put together and recorded just for this segment. So Mike you wanna play the draw for us. Gang. No one. Okay. We want to give our thanks to George Washington heights where recording that for us. Oh. That a Georgia pod guessing debut. I think that is George podcast intentionally. You may have heard him jamming in the background. Sometimes I think this is just much like snow town itself a slippery slope to Bob Casey Kasem one day announcing George on the wand off. I it's either going to be that or who's just like show up hosting his own show at some point because that kid he was more game than he should have been to the stock up. I know that's like okay are amazed always want to one. Mazing alone. And this we are we got questions about two different things that I want to bring to your attention. And then number one, I think is the more obvious one which is this feed them, and we can go into the extensive history of the speed bump, I think we'd talked a lot about non eliminating links last. But one of the questions we thought from a few different people who have their first time watching the show, and they're not sure is this speed bump seemed to kinda cheesy and dumb, and like it didn't take very much time at all. Now, Mike is that emblematic of all eat boots. Could you say I mean, not all like all Taffer is going to be a range of difficulties associated with it. I do feel like the important connotation is. Usually when we think of speed bump, the vast majority of them are going to be these simple tasks like I believe one of them was sitting on a chair. Air an ice hotel for ten minutes without getting up one that you commonly referenced is amazing race Twenty-one winners the Beekman boys basically just trying to and he might scream from a little asshole vendor who tried to beard. Veget- Rix with it. So do have occasionally exceptions to the rule. One of the things that I think might be the toughest people ever wasn't season twenty-seven, then when Tanner and Josh essentially to speak up was they had to do the roadblock again. But with the other person, I think that's our Goto in terms of the hardest speed bump, but I would say for the most part they want to give you an extra task. But not something that is so out of the way that completely derails your game. Like we saw here with Chris Brett, yes, they to save behind it makes no-balls, but they also had to deliver it to the place where the roadblock was. So I'd say if you're looking at speed bumps they are mildly inconvenient in general. Yeah. I think that's accurate. I don't think anybody is meant to be hung up at equal. Although I think we do highlight it whenever something like the Tanner. Josh thing happens or it seems like a little more difficult. I think unholy wish they were a little more difficult, but not so hard that we season when rolling out hay bales for eight out. It always comes back to end the Beekman boys got to eat ice cream. It really does. Especially since the boys didn't even do it correctly. The first time they went to the wrong vendor. And then they had to go and eat more crea- and the Beekman boys famously they had never come in. I in a leg, and I feel like that's probably more historically significant in terms of their contributions to amazing race lore. But somehow just they get brought up anytime. There's a speed bump that they got to eat ice cream. It's an unfortunate association. I think like it's not their fault today happened to get this speed bub. But it happened to fall or get scooped into their laps. And I love the beaten. They're such lovely guys times. I've met them. They're just antastic people. And it was a really great final leg that they ran this. Yeah. No, I have no problems with Eaton boys as human beings or as racers season twenty one maybe not my favorite season, but they got to eat ice cream. Come on. Okay. Just anything else in using race. One to one second. Second lesson amazing race to lessons that we have to impart today, we got a lot of questions because this I think is the first time if you are a casual viewer. This may be the first time you've ever seen this baby. Wondering what was up getting this leg? We didn't actually go to the airport but teams got released in kind of a staggering start or into when they checked if now four and they go to snow town, and no count is closed. And so hot teams had to sit around for an hour or more waiting for snow town to open that all the teams are in one place. And we got a couple of questions like is that normal that seems kinda weird. So we want tell you that this is something if you were an early days Walter using race this happened all the time. This is like every leg they'd be going Newseum or landmark. Something and they roll up, and it would be like this opens at eight o'clock. Everybody would be there by the time the Gaito most famously leading to a moment in my all time favorite late of the race in Hungary and season six where they were all waiting at this railway museum and had this big iron gate, and they hear opened the gate in everybody just stampeded to the gate and then the date in crashing back on one guy's head. Oh, so that may be I thinking you to do it for years after that. So I don't think this actually affected whether or not they were doing the hours of operation. But this was something that they called in the early days called this bunch. And it happened a lot, and I think actually in my again, every with and Karenina actually named dropped the the bunching term, and yeah, it also makes sense because going back to the first season end the game was really interesting because one team lagged behind way too much because the lack of. A better way of Saint things without spoiling too much. They got cocky, and so they fell way behind and had to play catchup or the rest of the race. And so to avoid teams getting so stratified where you know, certain teams are our head of other teams because essentially if you have a clear lane in front of you, there's really no way that you're not gonna place the same way in the next leg. Treat more intrigue. Sometimes they arrange these hours of operation and deporting time, so everyone is bunched up together. Now, sometimes that also leads to them, you know, not necessarily making it twelve hour pitstops, maybe it's twenty four hours or three six hours to coincide with that. But it also leads to fund moments. Like, you know, everyone noticing that. We didn't see this onscreen. It was an deleted scene. But everyone was elated to see that Britain Chris were safe, and you wouldn't have that without this bunching point. And there's a couple of other things I think bunching serves it does kind of get everybody together. So one team doesn't get way too far ahead because leave and see like Colin Christie's season, for instance. They would get ahead by almost twenty four hours. Points and. This pint of mitigates that but it also in a case where you're not all going to have natural bunch and point the airport for going anywhere. This league we need to have one of those points to get everybody into one place or the team that starts out. I is definitely going to finish first. And there may not have been much fixing the order, and now we get into much detail. But there was a lot of mixing the order this episode on we'll get to that. So I think the bunching why people hate it. But it's necessary. And if you don't reset them or every so often, the board gets very very wide very very fast. Okay. Are we ready to talk about taxi gay? Yes. Please. Okay. So seemed like it was innocuous enough in the moment where there was a moment where we saw a allies in Crin, go to a taxi and. A Rachel said. Hey, that's our taxi. I believe specifically said I think Elissa said don't take that bats us. And Rachel said, we're us, which is very confusing when you think about it. Yeah. I am. He as you are who's just and it did turn out that it was a very tough to end up getting a taxicab, but allies in Carinthia seem to get a taxi very quickly after that. Just. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to tell editing, but it didn't seem like they were the ones that have the most trouble. Yeah. So I was sort of confused by it seemed to me like it was kinda like a much ado about nothing. But I would said that this was the straw that broke the neon green camel's back because I mean when you see them in the tax adding to just sort of another bullet point to add onto that list of things that they don't necessarily like about Rachel upon first glance like spoken about the exit interview rob ware. You know, it seems like from what we're gleaning both Rachel Annalisa, and the Afghans are really garnering this reputation of being out for themselves doing anything to get ahead. Even if it means like being snippy and not necessarily being friendly to their competitors in good spirits, and it feels like for them this another indication of that they I think Krista something along the lines of like, hey, you were on the same thing. If you were in our position, which I was intrigued by 'cause I guess that does sort of admit that they were intending to take that taxi. Right. Of course, they were willing to they were definitely going to take that taxi. I they didn't know necessarily as they were barreling up. Like guys, not holding a big sign. This is Rachel listen taxes tax. You're going to grab it. Why didn't Rachel Melissa? Just get in the taxi. Why weren't they in the tax? If it was their taxi they were standing, maybe they're trying to look for directions. I could've just pulled what Brittany journal did which was well, the cab driver was on the phone. They just sort of forced their way into the. Tax at the point where I'm sure this man was surprised to get in the driver's side. And just say to people in the backseat. Okay. So we got to here lies and critic talk about Rachel analysts. Luckily, Jess, we heard the exit interview that looks like all these fences have been amended. Yeah. I guess that's I mean, what else are you going to say, I don't think anybody in the history of amazing race exit. Interviews are H E P has ever come in like guns blazing row another team yet. But I think that if there really was some friction there. I I don't think that current Kaplan would would hold back as based on the question about the Afghan animals. Yeah. That's that is a fair. I was about to say like compare Corinne response to Rachel being like, hey, I think I unfairly judged them, and we're friends now too. I know when I ask allies Karenna specifically about the game. She said, basically, they're losers. I don't care about like, they're they have no redeeming qualities. I would never go out and public. I guess they're not all having finale party at ease. Maybe maybe not. I don't think I'm gonna. Yeah. I don't think I'm gonna Carinthia cat sitting Leo's cat anytime. So the teams were struggling to get the cabs. We touched on his that Chris's hat my hashtag bromance. Bromance hat trying to work that in like, I guess maybe they were hoping that you know, those couple of scenes of amazing race where they would put team nicknames and the lower third that that would pop up yet. We talked about these scant amount of merchandising outside of the fun stoppable and criminalizes brief race survive. Get paper shirts that have this season. But I guess this is one of them. We'll see it. Chris opens up an online shop with these bromance? Has they're flying off the shelves. Unfortunately, just I don't know if Brome Heche bromance is going to take off. It's probably already been used else. If you're gonna use a hashtag, you're gonna try to market a hashtag, you need to be really really sure that nobody else is using that hash tag for anything like shirt, this hashtag crazy on it. And say, oh, this is my brand. Now. Everyone's kind of remember me for this. A just what was that Scott in Brooklyn team fun were passing around of on on their season. Yeah. It was it was a reference to the quiche hat to show. Yeah. The key hat. It was a reference to a HBO show that they had all like some of them had watched them had not they just as their adjective. I'm checking out the hashtag bromance. And I have to say, I I am happy that the top result is the Chris heavens. There is Chris ham. It's probably tailored somewhat insinuating. And I'm like, well, rob lake's reality TV. Let's show him tweets about that. I follow him on Twitter. But let's see what Chris Hammond at the say with the bromance for recap burden Guinness. We got to the speed bump. Head was ridiculous. But roll around there on the boat was a romantic stroll down the Vietnamese river Brett loved it. The bromance continues. Okay. That was it now, but what mall kiosk did they get that half from? I wonder I wonder if they were like oh crap. We need to buy something. We're LAX. Sure. Hashtag out until like stop over. That's funny. Yeah. You know, they were like I think added into the cast late in the game. They might have just picked that up something that might not be a custom build. All right, Bret, you get the skinny jeans all the program. Trump. Quick stop at this seven eleven right here. Let's see if they have any merch. Do we need to practice Vietnamese? No, no, one don't need to at all dancing necessary to right now. Okay. All right. There were teams that were really struggling just a way of trying to find this tax team fun had no taxied, Nicole, and Victor had no taxi Tyler and Corey had no taxi. This is something I always wonder about army mazing race. Because I know that not every city is like New York City where you can walk outside pretty much anywhere at any time of day and do a street hail and get a taxi and a lot of these cities. It seems like oh the taxes are just around. And there's mistreat hail them. Like, they're in New York. And I have to magin. It's not as easy everywhere as it is here. Yeah. I am actually very surprised that I maybe again, this was unsure but team fun. I think stumbled upon a really great idea of calling a cab ahead of time. All that has been some teams in the past. I feel like when it's such a busy intersection where you can barely flag down. Anybody at any point in time being able to at least guarantee some reform transportation showing up is key. So I'm a bit surprised that other teams not try to also sort of find a building and call in a taxi like Beckham Floyd debt. This used to be a big plot point in the early seasons. Again. When it's another kind of shout those because there used to be a whole they invented a whole rule about how you could call cab companies in cancel other Cavs on. And it was a thing where they would in the morning, they'd get out of their hotel, and they would have called cabs to pick him up and take them to the destination. And it feels to me like more places in the world than not if you wanna taxi you're gonna have to them on the phone. Are we ready to talk about what's going on here at the roadblock? I'm excited about this. Because I remember once upon a time in the early Saturday of our HP robbery were you not expressing the fact that one day you did want to drive a motorcycle at some point. Well now now that I hear about. A lot. Really talked me out of it. I think maybe it was a joke. I think that maybe Nicole is getting worked up, and I just trying to push your buns. And if I really ever wanted or needed any sort of, you know, two wheel motorized transportation because this qaulified as a motorcycle. Technically, I don't know a mope. Motorcycle seems very dangerous. Well, what do you think it is just that like the amount of a gear and engine wear that is showing to the public that makes it scarier is that what sort of is less appealing about it to you book. It doesn't go that fast. I don't know what happened to Genucel correct? Bunch mopeds. Yeah. At thirty miles an hour. Just what do you what do you make of the learn to drive a moped? This was fine tasks I think it I lighted aspect of the culture. It was challenging, but if you paying attention, and you stuck to it you could pick it up. I I don't think this is one of the most dynamic paths and ever seen. We're not going to talk about three years now, but it did its job. It was Berkeley. Serviceable, I'm happened with Mike. What were the highlights for you of the moped roadblock while signed from journal almost ruining a bunch of people's afternoons by drive by fracking. Their main form of transportation. I mean, there were some really fun moments of irony like less a talking about how she has, you know, a great balance immediately failing on it. I think actually my favorites is so I know that again, we're going to keep harboring. This fact that. Colin Christie espec- especially calling or not, but people we know fifteen years ago. I gotta say has become extremely excitable for me, especially in this leg, which prove really well for them. I didn't realize that Colin Cullen in the dirt bike story is very interesting to me that he bought his they bought their kid a dirt bike. He had to get one on zone. He told a story in a secret seen about how he would Christie by pulling up outside her class on a dirt bike shirt or chest. Open to the wind with his hair tied back in ponytail trying to do his best James Dana. So he's become he's the last person. I would expect to be as obsessed with motorbikes. But it was interesting to see not only be obsessed with it. But also, I think tackled in one go from what we were seeing. Tracks for season five Colin I could see that being the thing. I've this Colin I don't I don't know so much like this this call it seems like he drives a Volvo. Yeah. Well, it sounds like he's practicing with his kids in I guess that. While Chrissy is walking across the balance beam Collins out on the dirt bike hits your feels like is kids actually would have those like Montessori wooden like pedal bikes. Not dirt. Okay. Some of the teams struggled more than others. Ultimately Elisa was going to be the person that was going to have the most problems here. But I mean, it didn't seem like that. It took her a ridiculous amount of tries. I think it was ultimately like ten tries that took her. It wasn't like it's a Conforti tries to get through this. Yeah. This was now. Welcome to Vietnam dance from the animals or Victor eating the chocolate show. I think it was just the fact that all these teams seemed close together am assuming that they were going out on the same course. So they sort of had to go back to the line, and it was compounded by the fact that as he mentioned allies just continued to get frustrated, which was understandable. I think just given the fact that from what she talked about. I think that they she did not benefit from the fact that maybe people with more weight Rabl to center, the bike more to not have it slip. Out from under them. But yet to see her go to pieces over this. It was a it was a little tough to watch. Yeah. Just. Elisa was getting very emotional here. Well, it's funny. It didn't seem to me. I guess because we've watched so many seasons of this show at this point. I've seen people go to pieces in task. And at this point like the Lord Bellman hot really going off for me because I've seen vise again, emotional, and I've seen amazing racers all part at tasks and she was upset. Sure. But she wasn't right. You know, she wasn't screaming that are broken. So I I wasn't too worried. I thought they're still going to pull it together. They're going to be fine. And they really kinda word. Yeah. I think that God Corinne was super supportive of Elisa throughout this. And you know, I mentioned this in the exit interview. But it's not really a trait. Mike that you normally do associate with Corinne, but you don't go and just going back to her seasons thinking about like with dawn in caramel. And specifically Karinna is a good shoulder to cry on. Yeah. I asked them about this about what they learn from each other because they can from this very unique perspective where they were the only team to have not actually played a season of their other show together, their entire friendship relationship was gleaned outside of being on the island and one thing that lies did say is that and actually current it as well is that she is extremely loyal. And I think it's me. Because we don't necessarily conflict loyalty with for lack of a better term villainy. I think sometimes we villainy to what the FDA animals are doing which is, you know, but trae people at every turn, you know, cuddle the throats, but they sort of filled this odd ni where they are sometimes vicious vocally. But from you know, an relationship perspective they're gonna like what they're gonna like. And they're gonna like them very very hard to the point where it really did seem like outside of those couple of teams they really did get along with everybody to the point where you brought up a allies techs Shane that. She created after the race. And I've said this before that Corrine, and Randy I think they have this in common where that they are actually extremely like a nice and kind to their friends, it's their enemies that they are filling still. Yeah. And just so happens that when they are not so kind. Very vocal about it. And it just happens to take up probably more credible friends to people if you're their friends. It's if you're there enemy watch out. It's not really a dial. It's more of a switch right now. There are one or ten. Yeah. Or a one or zero. Yes. Okay. Well, the other thing that I've observed that Britain is that if you give her a little bit of time, the meanness that she brings into anything is, you know, it's very cruel and cutting. But it's also very funny and entertaining, but the more external stresses put on her and the more molest time, she has to really think on her feet, the more richest actively mean she gets and I think we started to see killer fatigue catching up with her a little bit this leg as well. Where the funny mean was away. And the mean mean was coming in where where did you feel like that? That was coming up. I think I think especially like in the wake of the tax gate. They weren't even really trying to be funny. They were just like she was just have actively upset. I'm yeah. I would agree with that. I think that there are certainly things that were bit oaky to me. There was weird comments like Carinthian here. Like oh allies in grope in a trailer parks show, the know how to ride a moped. There was pretty not. So great moment episodes ago, where in Japan, I thought that was that was a moped joke thought that that was fine more. So than that was particularly mean to anybody that was on the race. Yeah. That's true. I think I think it's one of those those Korean jokes that like Yar can be said one way and taken very heartily and take another way. Like, oh, don't take it too literally. Yeah. Another moment a couple of so to go where I think she mentioned gung them style to allow Shen taxi driver, which is Korean so exactly play too. But again at a little bit. She. Maybe maybe I think that things that maybe just as referring to outside of this stuff outside. The mad is the like we were blocking them on social media. We are separating ourselves from the race from now on which they didn't even really do. That's true. They do. And when we get to the Matt I think we'll talk a little bit more about all what went down. But my observation here is that. I think I think there's a kind of a funny story a mean mean territory, and I think, and I think you always wanna be if you're not on Karinna side. I think you get the full blast of the Nieminen stung at the points where especially if she feels like she's protecting someone else. Yeah. And so I think that was one of the things it was in play teach. She felt very protective of elisas, especially in the moment with motorcycles happening. And so it was like we had this shift. All of the energy away from funny and mean, Stover me, okay show are as there to say about the mopeds are queuing get into the detour now, let's let's get. So let's go to the river here. Okay. I did love the setup for this. Just of do you want? Era. Your or your addition. Yeah. That was one of the more inspired were. It's it's no this or that. Nothing ever is. And we only saw two teams attempting to do the irrigation. And I think that both teams would have admitted that that was a mistake. Irritation was the far easier tasks to attempt, but I just love when Phil described it of that the teams will have to go down in this boat. And then there are annoying fishermen will try to stop them. Yeah. This is like when you're trying to swim in a pool in the summer, and they're like rowdy, tea or kids just splashing water and kicking you in the face basically felt like where they were splashing them. I think they were trying to like bump into them though. I do think Britain Chris at one point again at theme of this episode. Nearly knocked one of them over as retribution. Yeah. Just I love these guys. Yeah. They're definitely it's an element of this kind of cast never seen before. Because we've seen these boats before on we've seen a couple of times. Most memorably those. I said, oh, it's the flow boats as these are I feel like every time we go back to the at Phnom. We're just been a resurrect another piece of that amazing melted leg of season three because like each one of those things destroyed a piece of flow soul and the little round basket boats were kind of the final breaking point. I love this idea like flow, hor cruxes, or like, she leaves a piece of her soul behind everything that happened in Vietnam. I mean, it it's not an actor. There is a point by day j-. Switch eaters so many times, and the detours were they were it was called basket boats or basket bikes and the basket bikes, of course, are the same ones that almost killed Lloyd. So those we've seen recently as well and Souflias that kept switching back and forth between these two things until at a certain point. You just had flow sitting in the boat in the middle of the river is only around in a sad Surco and sobbing, and they paid a local guy to get in the boat with her and roar across the room. So that the history of these basket- boats and knowing that and knowing what a toll this took on her. I had kind of always had in my head that these were really the colts. But if they actually had to add an element onto this challenge, where not only do you have to have a detail element where if different go and fish bring fish back, but. If the pulled over a bridge, and you also have these random dice trolling, you all you're trying to panel the boats then to making a hot harder. And I'm really rethinking that all episode now, nobody really fell into the water either. I did did a Karenin Elisa. They did once they were the only people that actually fell into the water. Nobody else. Did. Right. Well, they also misinterpreted. They took the typical adage of like, hey, this man is standing on the on the boat. Clearly, we both need to do that. We're clearly the thing to do was as Brittany and Tyler mused during their sort of lazily passing one another one person should stand. The other should be the counterweight and just sit in one position on the boat to sort of bounce things. Maybe that's another thing. Just as to why ended up being a relatively easier thing that what happened to flow because I believe they had to navigate those votes independently right in TR three whereas in this one they were on it together. So you can at least balance it out a little. Bit. So that you know, you weren't it's like it's like the motor bikes. The more way down. You are the more lower your center of gravity is in the easier. You are to balance on them. Yeah. It certainly seemed that way. And I think in charge three you had to each be in your own boat. But there was no rules about like any other additional people you might pick up a long day going into the boat with no one hundred happens. I know hitchhikers role was put into effect starting with season for. Right, right. I I know that Chris in Brett were pushing the limits of the weight capacity on these basket boats. I. Really sturdy. I love the breads clip about you know, that how much he loved Venice like that's the bread. I think that we know and love the March AP's, so it's great to see him shine. He had reasons to smile considering their instances a good position at the time and Chris was awkwardly hovering above him wearing that bromance? Hat fully out. Well, I felt bad for the one of the annoying fishermen because it looked like that he was trying to mess with Chris ham. And I thought that Chris ham was just going to like. Knocked the guy into the water. Did they see that episode of millennials versus genetics is gonna stick or under the boat capsized? Yeah. Like like tread lightly here of Mr. annoying fishermen guy. He clearly hasn't watching college football, rob. No, I don't think. So. All right. Well, let's circle back to the teams that were working on the irrigation. The Afghan animals got it started. And they seem to have a better sense of what they needed to do even though it was a struggle for them. Just that in that is race experience play the animals made it very far to previous seasons, and they have done a lot of those building where they have to look at one thing. And then replicate that thing in another place that was the thing that undid them the first time they were out. And it's something I know that they practice lot. We've seen have these. Asks many many times. So they you could tell immediately. They knew what details they watching were on the model hill, and what they needed to be doing on their real. So it's not surprising that they were pretty, but with this and Mike that Rachel and Elissa. We're gonna really struggle with this. I didn't know what they were doing wrong. But I just you know, heard that wind shaima going off left, and right and Rachel analysts are doing something wrong. I can't put my picture on what it is. But it does. This is not the sound. Like, it's doing the right thing. Was it a win Shammar was a wind blowing through bamboo just do we have a name for that sound that plays? When teams doing something wrong. The amazing race. Well, it used to be a dog. And they would pop the Gog of stupidity. But now it's and there's there used to be like the little rattlesnake sound. I've really rattlesnake of like irony were it's like, oh, we're not gonna get lost this time at. Yeah. Yeah. That was more that's more of a hubris rattlesn- throttle. But I don't know that we have a sound for the time of the rattle state where you stay all. We don't really swear on this podcast. Just call the OS. Okay. A c clip of the. Oh, shite rattlesnake. Watch. I will find one five one. Do that. But yeah, I mean, it looked like this was a thing where again, you think raise experience, especially for Rachel when no these detail oriented tasks, but it just seemed like every single time that got a check some little detail was wrong. Whether it was a piece of bamboo facing the wrong way or the spigot pouring directly into the basin instead of being propped up. But I mean, we saw another bit of a Rachel meltdown. I'm intrigued to hear from you. We get this sort of thing with her really committing her life. We need to stick with it. We can't quit, but I guess going back to the J L roles. Do we think this would've benefited if they have swapped considering that this put them from second all the way down to eight plays it tended? I think we talk a lot about these tasks for the judge comes in like hell's them. You're wrong. You have to do it again. And sometimes he doesn't give them any who as to what they've done wrong. And sometimes he says, oh, yeah. Just this this this, and I think in the ones where they're giving you some direction I think that's a little bit easier. Feel like. You wanna stick with? It has the end is in sight was ones where you have like a million things that could be wrong. And they just keep pointing at it and saying it's not right. It's not right. It's not right. You could be there all day, but the one like this guy seemed to be telling them every time like used to give you would give them one clue every time as to what they were doing incorrectly in that. I think probably made them feel more secure that they could actually get it. Well, let's touch on a couple of the other teams that were going through of the of the irritation to ask of just we saw that that Colin and Christie, they got to where the fish were. And then dumped the fish into the bigger basket boat at did not take the smaller basket with them, which seemed like a weird move. Now, I feel like the fish were still high. They kinda were dump dumping in. In the vast boat. We need the basket. Like, no like a what's the harm in taking it? They get a penalty for like, oh, you weren't supposed to take the basket with you know, they were I think they may be fella you're supposed to transport the maybe they thought that. Okay. We're sitting in a basket. So technically, we're transporting in a basket what else alone again, another Raynham tidbit about Colin. He says apparently the only exercise he does is paddle boarding. Yeah. That does not seem that guy is like red. And I have been paddle boating Powell boring across like class five Rapids. Maybe that's what he meant. Yeah. I thought it was weird that they oh you have to get five fish, but all of the buckets seemingly had five fish. I don't know how you could potentially lose a fish unless you pull the Colin like everybody thought that every basket had a different number of fishing because that's certainly something. The amazing race would do. So I think they probably opened the basket making sure, okay. We didn't take that has three year one that has twelve in take the one that has the right number of fish. Okay. The teams, you know, pretty much uneventful got through the basket challenge. And we saw the Afghan animals and Rachel analysts still struggling with the irrigation task. And ultimately, they're still going to be working on that when we get a Korean and Elisa showing up at the task, and they have some some hope now, just yeah. And I kinda love it when the to detour options are right next to each other. I'd like that too. Because I liked that you could have somebody having terrible drama with their task. And then in the background, you see other people having different terrible drama with their tasks. I think that's a really striking visual thing. And I also like that it inspires people. Having a lot of trouble with or the other you could switch to whole bunch of times. Like, I think that goes back to the. Thirteen on Dan drew moment where they remarking and serving soup, and it gives a lot of opportunity for people to second. Guess I think it really gets into your head when do okay so criminalize are gonna get into the basket Boda mayor going to attempt the irritation task as of it looks like it set up to be a race against them and Rachel Annalisa. Now, we start to get to some teams coming in and checking in at the met and sort of out of nowhere, Colin and Christie and up in first place. Just yet there's a lot of strange shuffling around here, and it's very hard to tell what's going on. And I don't have the full story and the pieces of the story that I have heard they're not they're not substantiated in. They're not necessarily CVS sanctioned that don't think that. Necessarily supposed to give detail about this. But there was another task in there. What I've heard. Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation about this online during the day here on Thursday. But it looks like that there was a piece of the race that was omitted from the TV show, which did not seemingly affect the outcome of the show. Maybe some of the placements placements in the middle there were deeply affected by this. But since I think it ultimately came down to the two teams that were in the back. I think that's by chose not show it, but you can see a couple of places when teams check into the mat you can kind of see other teams in the background kind of milling around for no reason. And the reason is that they're participating in the cats. Yeah. I think the did an amicable job at least trying to piece together legitimate narratives as to why certain teams won those visual. Hintz aside. Just like, you know, we saw that Colin and beat Victor, Nicole to the Matt because they ran along the river and out ran them, which might not have been the case or Leo and Jamal got super loss. They fell even further to the back of the pack and finished third to fourth to last which again might not be entirely true. But I could at least see some logical points being connected there as opposed to just randomly. Oh, yeah. They showed up in fifth place just out of nowhere. Yeah. And also, we don't spend a lot of time thinking like, oh, how did these people come fifth out of eight? That's not something that we necessarily spend a lot of our mental energy fessing in any typical weakening. I it sounded like the teams played badminton against each other in a head to head Mike. If you at the speculate, do you think that maybe just not that exciting? I mean bowl. Either depends on how much Colin bad plays badminton, that's one of his passions. Because if that's the case, but it would make sense as to why to claim the first place victory here. Yeah. I don't know. Just I don't think of badminton as super exciting. But maybe I'm in the minority on that. You know, when we were talking last week about what new in Stephen would Haro credits establishing shot somebody on Twitter suggested they filmed you playing badminton. There you go. Why? Why would they do that? Why would they not? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they are you don't know. My you've no idea I Pol giant. I should not be judging. We'll set that up as on the undercard for the next live note alls of rob versus Stephen badminton do that. Instead of karaoke feel I feel like that might also make the cutter room floor that ends up being the game. Televised. Badminton doesn't show up a lot on the Ocho only. Joe? Okay. All right. So teams start checking in Colin and Christie. They are greeted by a just this was like the Liana Mormon of men. She was cute as a button is that make Chris the giant white giant. Yeah. No more kids on the mat? That's fine. Yeah. I like it why I'm here for more kids in our drops more kids on the mad though, I did feel horrible for this girl who had to be there for probably we'll talk about one of the most awkward match McCotter out of the way assured her off as these two teams were just various Sarge one thing. I've really enjoyed about Colin Chrissy Cecchi and not only because the fantastic, you know, capitalization of the fact that it's been so long Phillies talking through the prize as best as he can Colin Chrissy completely ignoring him. He just like takes her in his arms, and they start kissing notebook-style Bill going through the motions pig attention. At all. That's also be awkward like you're in front of a child guys. Keep at thirteen. All right. A couple that always keeps it PG Nick and Vic show up and here, they are and second place team. Fill is very complimentary. Mike of he says that they are doing the best out of the non racers. Yeah. I think again, if we're talking about especially with the non racer pack winnowing down timeout one non racing team that I think has a chance of making the final three it's probably going to be them. I think there's a very outside chance of Chris. And Brad, but I think we can at least lock victory Nicole into I want to say at least top I feel like we're going to see them into finale, even though I still don't I still don't think we've heard from Nicole this month on the basic race. This is yet another episode where really haven't victories on a lot of the talking. But you know, what they were. On. So they're very consistent, which is great. I think them in Cullen Chrissy are the two most consistent performance thus far which in a game. Like the amazing race is is something to remark upon Justin. They're the team. That's getting the amazing race trope of always second. Yeah. It's it's a very strong winners. Edit Vic Nick, Bob, it's going to be the biggest upset of the season. If your hand. Steamrolls Mike's team in my team and data team and ends up. Putting the whole thing. That's why I love Victor and the coal. Gives you a rooting interest job. Yeah. I was gonna say it was a big mistake, not graphing more. But now, I kinda like it. Skin in the game. When it comes to our drafts. Rob is standing in the boat. Just paddling water at us to try to get us all wet and disturbed and. Bredon Chris come in number three, right? No, you're right. Yeah. The Chris number three and then team number four. Yeah. So congratulations to Brett and Chris just a seemingly out of nowhere. Disabled to get through this leg. Even with the speed bump so good on team survivor team. Team bromance? They're they're they're they've maybe Mike. Would you say are they figured this out? We expect them to continue to raise the top of the pack. It's interesting because I know the criminalize I've talked about this. I think one of the disadvantages with all these vitamin B brother teams is that they just needed more time to get precede legs or their basket both legs to make their way through the rates in at least stay to the top of the heat. I feel like Victor Nicole found that very early on. I think Chris Brett have started to find it, you know, they really lagging towards the back of the pack. I just because it felt like they were very lost in nearly every tangible navigation respective and a performance perspective. They've really hit not only a good cabdriver. But just a good way for them to put their heads down and keep piling with a good sense of nature. I think if they keep that up they'll hopefully be able to keep. Keep an on. I think it also helps that say Stig got non eliminated. And I think that having that brush with death might also sort of scared them. Perform perform a bit knowing that. Okay. There's a chance we could go home just as easily. Let's make sure we really give each saying they've come back from the extinction. Exactly, they wrapped a sail around them as they wrap those no-balls because there for very cold. Just I think rob him the challenge for Britain. Chris is that there's going to be some legs where the because I think they have similar skill sets that they're gonna have some where they're just going to go through it like a hot knife through butter. And then there are going to be some legs that are not conducive to their skill sets that they're really going to struggle with and could potentially be the last team to arrive. It's true that they are one of the less balanced teams. It's out there. But I think for everybody noth- to be a little bit lucky to be to be good at the race. So we'll see how lucky they are in the coming Lintz. Okay. I don't know just they're they're pretty balanced in that boat. Fair. Okay. Tyler and Corey end up being team number five and Leo and Jamal end up at number six for the Afghan animals. My weird lay for them. You know, they had a pretty darn bad leg last time. But they were out in I for I'd say the first half of this leg, I think it was just things it was that they picked the wrong half of the detour that slowed them down. Even if they did do it a lot quicker than Rachel Eliza. And apparently, you know step to push Mark question. Mark. I should Mark step three six place, finish, we're not entirely. Sure, what may have happened. But it's clear. Vietnam is not their country. Maybe do by. We'll be next week. Okay. Genera and Brittany our team seven, and then it was seemingly a race to the finish line between the Rachel and team. And Karen and Elisa Rachel Annalisa check in as team number eight, and then Karenin LIZA are the last team to arrive and are eliminated. And it does not go great at this point. Just know this is this is down to I think just the way that Elisa is the way that she just wears all of her motions on her sleeve at all times, which is one thing that made her a lot of fun to watch on survivor, but maybe in certain moments is it as great to watch on the nasal race to cuff spot. It really is especially to have the team. Games on the mat at the same time. And I asked him about this on the exit interview. And they had basically said like could it didn't matter who was there could have been anybody there. But I thought Mike that Rachel listen, we're trying to be magnanimous about the whole thing. But it stopped working cooling an instance where the two teams in -sarily like each other. But you could tell they try to be polite him like we really support them as racers. And as women. So it's sad to see them go. But yeah, they were done. I think allies in cringes had such a bad day on. I do see their point about how maybe this could have been any other team. I don't know. I feel like if Chris Brett we're next to them. A wanted have been the same type of reaction. I just think they're the only people that could have been I really do I or at least this extreme of reaction. I don't think they would have walked off the mat to have their own little decompression session. If it wasn't racial on the I think because we kept saying hearing investment about how they said. Typically of all people the two of them to be next while this was happening. But I see your point necessarily understand why the show did not say okay, originalist just go off camera left. Like we need. We want this to be there. No, they they want. They knew that that was the irritant and. Here's my thing. I wanna know how much of that was played out because that moment happened by cow much that story did they graph leading up to that moment. So that they had a narrative reason for grin analyze it comes on loot as they did in front of Richmond list, because I think they must've dug through and found every moment of conflict and put that story in their this episode. So that when it did happen. If felt like it really was the kind of the Kobe shin of everything that had happened. Yeah. I liked it. Was it Rachel we're talking about. How will look we were just really blessed the red light. The red light. And. I yelled at them to oh, I guess we weren't blessed. Then said, we're not plus analyze that. We're not hashtag blessed. And I think Chris is ready to make another hat. Yeah. And this is a weird that we didn't know they left the met and we follow and we follow them away from the the met, Mike. Is there a lot of precedence for that? Absolutely. Not. Let me direct you to a piece that the one and only Jessica lease wrote on his website dot com. Back in the day from November twenty thirteen that's true. That's talked about. I think at that point the mount Rushmore of awkward pitstop Matt moments. I think now we have a moment to round out the top five baby. I think it's very very rare that during a teams own elimination. They walk off their own match remove themselves from the situation and have a nice skyline in view of Tsim in city, as they sort of, you know, support one another just did you know that Mike was going to cite your twenty thirteen writings about the amazing race kind of send him the. This was actually fit twenty thirteen article came in response to. We were talking about all the times that fail had to be really awkward with people on the mat? And we talked about, of course, Jonathan Victorian for Brandenburg Gate, and we talk about this all cave because of providence, Amy. Characterize your rob. Yes. All the moments Bill at the greeter are just standing there. Like, what do we do next? But yeah, I think this definitely goes into that mount Rushmore where it's like, okay. This is an really. Really eight boarders audit of people watch. But I also think there is I think in that moment Karenin allies of trying to get off camera, and it is very unusual for the camera to then follow them. And I think at that point. They just thought let's get away from this and stop being on TV and have a moment where we have real emotions and just let it out. But I camera detection, right? I did like it. When Korean said that breach. Elissa meditate could look at her film that for see her again ever. It's very much like the worker who's like take a look at this. I'm not coming back to this. Sorry ass company. Every I'm not going to the party. I'm not going to reality rally. We know that story as to why there's no like there's not gonna see me on Twitter ever again, though, you know, again, cut to several months later all seem to be good. Just I want to talk about more historical context because. We did get a couple of comparisons from people with this situation to what happened at the end of amazing race sixteen. How would you what happened? I would say that one was a little more cringing, and it felt a little Wes organic just because I feel like what we saw last night was very much in organic response to everything that was happening in the moment. And I think it was. It was alive in Karenin genuinely lashing out to the circumstances that were eliminating them being upset about being eliminated taking that all out on Rachel. Listen napping to be there. Whereas at the end of musing rice sixteen there was a moment. And I think we have to set this up again, his there are people who do not watch the show the same either that we do we had missed team, South Carolina, and like such as and her boyfriend world up to Matt was second or third. Ninety ever third. Okay. So. Couple episodes prior. They had you turned another team a couple named Brandon Carroll and that had led to Brandon Carroll being eliminated. And so usually at the end of amazing race season. Not to spoil it for those. You haven't watched but the team check C N that wins a million dollars. And everybody is happy for them. All the old teams. That are already been eliminated are waiting there at the finish line for them. They'll says, congratulations, you've got a million dollars. And then there's a weird like five minutes after that. Where the team has already one within that you teams that are behind them come in and check in and are told that they have not won, which they pretty much already know. But at this point at the end of the season, it's life kind of fade out after that. And most the time it's pretty unremarkable. What is kind of a weird way to end the season with the third place team? But that's how it works. So anyway, third-place team comes in and Bill says your team number three, and that should be the end of it. And then Caroline brandy. You're like no, excuse me. We got a we ought to something we need to say, and they come up received to start berating Katie Upton for having you turn them in for have being. I don't even know for not be nice inch. So maybe if you've is her nicer, we wouldn't have new term you and begin this really awkward confrontation that had been clearly reversed and it just felt like Carol brandy trying to get. Their last moment on television. And it was really maybe the most awkward thing that's ever happened show. Hey, look at the tower of Rame says that if you have something that somebody did that you just gotta get it out. And also get out of the sun. You did when you turn me that that really pissed me off. Let it let it out where it will fester. Just. You know, I I don't know possibly argue with our Queen. I think it was so interesting that, you know, I think criminalize really following these roles, and it makes sense. They went to remain calm. This episode. The RDA rules. Okay. That's like number four of the amazing race. Thirty one such I o or tweet about this. It was just such an unconventional ending as we spoke about before. Like almost broke any sort of rules that we've seen about the race before in terms of the way things were staged the way that it ended usually ends with a, you know, a pair of the pair saying like, oh, well, you know, what this was really tough. But we still really grew an appreciation for each other. And it's very much did from talked about. Interviews with them. But ended them like sobbing or Elisa sobbing Koreans arms as awkwardly looks on this very sort of set of heated remarks was so strange. Oh, admit say what you want to about them. They're very polarizing team. I will be very intrigued to see what the post team villain amazing. Thirty one is going to look like considering how raising neighbor about their actions and their words, I'm not to say that there's going to be a dearth of that considering the teams that we have left, but they they were very very entertaining team. And I'm hopeful that this season continues on it's great trajectory, even though they're gone. Okay. All right. Is it time to get into our feedback questions from the listeners of rob as podcast? We got a lot of great feedback on in our office podcast stace book group as wells on Twitter, and we'll put up cough questions shortly after the episode in. We're happy to receive your questions as you have them. So I'm going to start out with our this questions will hatch who says why do you think big brother teams are doing so much better than survivor tease? Yeah. We seem all three of the survivor teams have a last place finish. Of course, a Christian Brett saved by the non elimination leg. And I mean, I would say that I think it also comes down to who was picked to do to represent the shows. No offense to the survivor teams that were selected, but if you compare young fit, Victor, Nicole. To Rupert and Laura bowed ham. Not exactly in the same conversation. It's like comparing mustard Bandai's. Right. Engine and Brittany have been right there with the survivor teams of most of the way, I think it's between them in Britain. Chris if you were going to make a bet on who might be back in the pack for the next leg and then for Rachel Annalisa. Even though that they were close to being eliminated in this leg. Don't forget that you know, Rachel Riley has done the amazing race twice before. Yeah. I think they said this is something like this was like her twenty seven boy that she's run on the amazing race or something. Yeah. So she clearly has a lot of experience just running the racy. I think I'm just comes down to who was picked to represent these shows. I don't think it comes down to. Well. This means survivors are the worst at racing as we hear that a certain Boston, Ian, spirit haunt us. When I mentioned that I think it just comes down to who they happen to peg in who knows as to whether you know, Chris and will continue to represent survivor, maybe big. Brother. We'll take a couple of hits allies did point out early romance. Yeah. Big bromance? Allies did point out. It was surprising. How none of them have taken a hit yet. But maybe that alliance that Rachel made a couple of episodes ago is surprisingly holding. I think I think all valid points. I think a lot of its down to cast in. There are survive are teams who could have come in here in very complex me. And Stephen exactly exactly Bandmann. But nobody would have gotten to see it. Sadly. All right. So we got a question from Christie has good question here. He says hi there. I love the podcast. Thanks who. Do you think? Kathy advantage, Nicole and Victor with track record of success. But yet to meet true adversity or Brenton Chris who arguably have more experienced being in the back, but are now turning up Huda a bad leg creep up on Nicole. I it's tough because I think usually on shows like survivor and big brother. You would say, you know, one of the reasons why Dr will Kirby is one of the best players is because he had a good amount of scares with being on the block that he was able to protect experience being cool. Calm and collective whereas other people came to pieces around him he was able to benefit from that. I feel like actually, but the amazing race Nabil go against what I said about fifteen minutes ago. I don't know how advantageous it is. When you get non eliminated, and you keep on racing considering that it's not so much about like, okay? Now, I need to change my game knowing that I nearly went home here. Then the name of the game is just to race and to not finish last place. I don't know how much could have change. Maybe. Right. Maybe we'll only talk with Chris Brent later on at some point. We can ask them, but I really defa mentality. Perspective really change that much to your racing based on the fact that you happen to have a bad leg, right? All the time that we've talked about the beak. Men, boys. Just like we're there's never been like an intentional Metsing component of. It's actually better off. If you are at the back of the pack most of the race because then you are racing with your life on the line. And it really teaches you how to race when the pressure is on for the final leg. No, there's not. And I think there's something you concept of having a little bit of momentum. Where if you are succeeding, you're doing well, and you're nodding neater, you're not stressing about it. And I think that helps you keep a clearer head to aches whatever's in front of you. So I think the key thing is if you are in the back of the pack. You just have to not let it get in your head about being the backpack built that it mean anything you just focus on not getting eliminated weeks. We, and that's how you end up winning rates. We got a couple of questions. I want to ask this question. Here. We spoke about this a little bit. But I can never pass up an opportunity feature question for one of my favorite listeners one hot nuts as. Says should be feel town that a quasi switchback of arguably the most iconic meltdown at amazing race lore was both a never even mentioned and be expropriating easy. I mean, it's it's also weird. I'm trying to remember how they done switch backs on returning players seasons before my memory is escaping me now, but I feel like for the non initiated Mike explain what switchback is oh hold on. I let me just get this going. Gang. Right now what you don't get students. Please please we got one more less than I wanna give you before the bell rings. So a switchback is the amazing race being self referential because they tend to visit a lot of locations on a consistent basis. What decide to do? I think starting back in seizes sixteen or fifteen I want to say is instituting a task called switchback, which is just a regular task. But it's basically a carbon copy of a previous task from a previous either. So what jets mentioned before the task where they had to ride the bike with a bunch of baskets attached to it from season. Twenty nine was a switchback of attacks from season three eighty. It was even marketed added it's given a name and everything this was sort of a disguise switchback. Or whatever reason I think sometimes they say at this which back when they think that there's no way they can get around pretending. It's not I think the last time we really had a switchback where they. A lot was probably back in season twenty five when they switched back to the call and oxidised. Yeah. Yes, you're interesting because that in some ways that I it's. I understand why they struggle with it. Because that it's a it's a cool way to say, okay. This is something for our fans that we're doing, but it does feel like just they do recycle a lot of the same tasks and bring them back out over and over again in specific places. So if they did it often, you know that you might have a switchback, you know, every other week on the show not to mention the fact that they they never deliver on the reprises like we've done what probably more sex at this point Jefferson. I really can't remember anyone that delivered to the iconic TV moments that the original produced. No, I think that's that's very true. And I think that I almost think I would rather them not highlighted is there to resurrect a task because then we get excited we think somebody's been at breakdown over the broken off. And it just doesn't happen. I thought you're saying they did they do a good thing here by not mentioning it. Maybe they did unthinking civically. There was appointed time in survivor history where they started to reuse challenges, and they started to not comment on it. Where? They would kinda sneak it in a while. If you saw a challenge that had been used before Jeff pros would say we've used this one before in this season especially returning players season. And then they don't really do that anymore. They're just like, oh, this is that challenge in this is debt house is they reuse these ones so many times. And also, so many of the challenges are just go out and get puzzle pieces than the puzzle together on and I think this is kind of were reaching white now where specially when you're going to some places you've been before it's hard to think up new tasks that have the same level of difficulty that makes good television. And so why not bring back one that we've done before or something very similar when we know it's delivered in the past. And I think it's okay. I don't love it. I wanna see you and fresh all the time. But I also recognize not everybody has the same power to retain everything that's ever happened on this stupid show. Oh and all national spin offs that some of us do. Karenin lightweight and that statement. Yes, I don't know. I I feel like I feel like I've got a little bit of the binder stilling meat. Okay. So on and got some kind of fun ones to was this out. But Michael shea wants to know since we are all morning Rupert's early exit. He thinks CBS shift hired her to demonstrate each up Titian, oh full season of Rupert survivor and big brother us entrance demonstrating their competitions so much for my dream team. Could you stay in the blue Leotard demonstrating all tasks, well, no because then he won't be wearing his title of true. That's true. Boy, I would love that if they could show us Rupert practicing in demonstrating every single task. But I don't know if he would be a good demonstrator. Excellent demonstrator. I love you both please kid like this. Like this. What the question B? Would he be like a dream teamer where we see like his hands work as explain the test or would Rupert just take over from Phil's place in explaining how to do these things so Rupert as the host of the amazing race of Phil steps down Rupert is like doing like this old house type thing when you do this road block you want to turn very tightly on the corners. Like, Phil kicks it to to tell them about for tat. Laura. Laura's contributing exactly as much as she has in any previous season many show. I'm sure she's great. But she's married to Rupert. I think she's used to this homes. Okay. I'm okay with it. Yeah. Interestingly enough on amazing race Canada. Very famously John Montgomery, the host of maisy grace Canada will explain the task. And then he does the cast in it doesn't matter. What the task is? I can't think of any that. He hasn't done like he bungee jumps he bugs and he Belykh put the stupid costume onto the dance. Ed, I always had really hoped villa do that. But Phil is kind of above that. So if he'll bring someone in to demonstrate all the tasks, I think, that's okay. And I think it's even better if that person who should we try to pretend that Rupert is Phil like should he try to do a stunt double thing where he wears the same leather jacket fell try to cut away from it to make look like it's fell doing the task accepted. Very clearly. It's phil. Good day. One more fun one for us. I've just is. I liked this lot awfully bathe. Our Facebook prevacid, how would Asher George Dominic and Anthony due out a future mazing race family edition and then justify Brad follow up question, which these four is more which of these four is most likely to respond to their elimination by leaving that fry. Well, Ascher, Ascher can't move site. Put him last question. There. Yeah. My thing. Dominic end Anthony, or is it just one of them. I think we're going back to the amazing race family dish where memorably there were teams of four that competed together. So we're swimming. If we're taking all the children of our shape e and putting them onto one male male male male team what's going to happen. Boy. Dominic really likes watching. When Karenin Elisa were having to unhook, the prawns really that route that scene really speaks to him. So. That he would push them to go to see any sort of wildlife. Let's could he'll he'll do all the animal tests. Found out this week. I think George would be great any sort of singing or language based tasks. Oh, yeah. He's got the performance stuff. Nailed. Okay. He's your guy for Vietnamese Curio. All right. That's good. And Anthony can eat anything. Eating challenge. My boys. The flow of this curve. It is. I mean, give him a week. My. He's golden on answer. This question did come up with a full head of hair. So I guess that there's a roadblock where he has to shave his head maybe or a fast forward, maybe can do that create a five hole for my child. Well, speaking of speculating on how wildly unsuited people would do for the amazing race. I think it's time to talk about how Robbins did it would do the race four weeks animals point of jingle for this. I know I'm very surprised gal from America or George on this. Making collaborate. Wilburn America and to. All right. So let's talk about I guess we should start here. Let's talk about the speed bump, let's say Robin more able to survive on elimination lake because I'm super intrigue rob between you and Stephen who do you think would. Or who do we think jets would do a better job at we're looking at like twenty five thirty snowballs they had to form to the to the museum. The last place, Leslie, so sorry. Good news for of your winter to it. Yes. Like, if I guess my question is who will produce more snowballs of the two Jess. Well, rob Lifton, southern California. But Stephen is from Southern Cal robbed grew up some places snow in now, Stephen lives police is I'm gonna give the edge to rob on this one busy at his whole child. I would say that. I'd give it to rob his only because Stephen would pick up the snow in put it on his shoulder. Is it? He's out of the sling now. So he's doing okay. So let's go to the roadblock here just will rob live. His lifelong dream of genyk to drive a moped through driver's. Ed course, or do we think Stephen Fisher back would be found on a moped can't get through that question without laughing? I think he's answered. Yeah. I don't think I'd be good at it. But I think that somehow I'd be the. In the allies a position of having to take that one for the team. I like you probably would add out. I think I I mean, it looks hard. But I feel like I would get it. So did you Steve talked about like what Tassie we do? Did you have it down to a science, criminal wise? It did ask to like. Okay. This task will do this driving task. He'll do I mean they were actually going. We like. Like, we were sort of. Not preparing as if this was going to be a reality. So it didn't exactly get down to that granular level. Definitely not definitely not. Was a couple of a couple of conversations and did not feel like that. We were on the inside. Well, the good news is we're now doing this all four yet. So you'll have are the off chance you ever do get hauled in. He decided is the right time. I'm sure Mike, and I will have spreadsheets to give. Okay. So we're working this all out now. Yeah. We'll off board that support Alexander Chester to make that for you. Okay. Last question. I think we know the answer to this. But I have a feeling you would go with irritation above irrigation, considering what we talked about in this podcast. Yeah. I think so I mean. Stephen really felt like something about the. Putting together a good see that happening. I really about with really speak to him. But I think yeah, rolling the boat would be good. And this was going to get fish. I feel like we're getting the fishy. That's very true in that case though, since we saw one teammate do the rowing and one person sort of sit down who do you think is going to be the ruler of you do? I don't know. I feel like Stephen is a bum shoulder that might have to be me. That's true. I mean, even very long arms, maybe he could have made him mic shift paddles as well to help you guys. Yeah. I don't know we go. Maybe we could take turns. Yeah. That's true. Jesse 'em any other. What if you wanna throw out there before we adjourn the Vietnam session of the no it alternate universe? I think we've talked at length about how they'd be at badminton. So I think we're good. Yes. Truly their worst to I would have come true as they came to a resounding success winning a romantic swim trip to the Dominican Republic due to their superior badmin- skills. Okay. All right. So we are going to have a one week off from the amazing race to observe the survivor edge of extinction. Finale coming up on may fifteenth. But then the amazing race will be back on Wednesday night on may twenty second. Just I have that. Right. That sounds right to nice. So a one week yacht us for the amazing race as we will come back in two weeks with our recap of everything that's going on it. And where are we headed to next? Jess. That's a good question. My DVR didn't show the might the you know, we are going to Dubai off dimension thing in this episode. Snow town snow town to the snow inning snow dolls. If you will know looks like we're doing some weird sort of like bungee zip line thing. I know that we had said, okay. I think the free costume from last season might have been a low point in terms of costumes. But now we have dinosaur costumes going on looks like Rachel Annalisa might be heading on a downward spiral. The more. Importantly would only do we have an episode of the amazing race in two weeks. We have a two hour episode of the amazing race in two weeks for trying to trying to make up lost time amazing races. Now moving into survivor slot of eight PM are double header of survive. Iron amazing race is now the Neto for this season. So for those that are setting your DVR's make sure that you set them to eight o'clock from now on. The race is going to be. And I think after the two hour episode it should be single episodes until the finale just should we expect a anonymous leg in the two hour block. That's how I like to have it lined up. But that's not historically been the case. It's really kind of varied. I hope I hope that what we get is nomination in the middle, and then elimination that feels very neat idea. But it might be too soon. We'll see okay and interesting. Speaking of alternate university is next time. We'll be talking is the time when the amazing thirty one should have premiered back in the day. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, the world will be a different place when we reconvene in two weeks. There will be a winner of survivor edge of extinction. The game of thrones will be over. And we will have two more legs of the amazing race to talk about. And Mike's kid will be old enough to weigh final doing his own drop able to contribute to the team the roadblock count. Will finally even doubt again. Okay. Pull your weight ash. Okay. Jess, what should people check out? The you're doing. Well, let's see I've got another article down on primetime dot com next week sometime. But it's it's still in the works. You can actually go there. Now in read my article on the friends finale, which since to have been very well received. I'm pretty happy without even the fronts finale. Yes. Well, that was not hard to. And other than that. I guess I'm around on the social media's you can catch me on Twitter and Instagram Facebook, probably more nation guy at haymaker Hattie four adjusts, and Mike, I know you're coming out of your paternity leave you and I are going to get together this weekend to talk about survivor on the feedback show as we head towards the survivor finales. I'm so excited. I feel like a bird flying free and loose. I have no idea what we're going to be talking about. But that's always gonna make it the most I can't wait to get together with you appoint a couple of other things where I'm slowly like waiting myself back on the other podcasts that idea, but I won't be on this week on the H J P BNB Liana Bora to has been holding down. The fort magnificently is going to be on with a Canadian double dose. Well, who has info San Maquilion Kirsten McKenna's, which should be a lot of fun. She's like the new Mike bloom. She was on like four different pod. Gas last weekend. I really have transferred my energy to her briefly during that portion of time we did a mind meld shortly before I went on maternity leave. So she has she has my tra- now and also on the rupaul drag race root cap Brenton Leon I believe we'll be joined by Brian scally doing home to that. Another thing that's coming up once these survivor, maybe ending but Bryce Isaiah's new favorite survivor, South Africa, starting up soon. And I will be doing coverage of that. With Shannon gates, usually I will not be there for the cast preview that they're about to do. But guess who Liana Boris? It's going to be talking with shedded Gaya podcast yet to talk about the twenty one new players of survivor, South Africa island of secrets. Misprint that is not a misprint. We are going straight leeann levels. So we'll see what comes of that. I'm super excited to listen to what they have to say even more to get into it with Shannon starting next week when the three tribes of seven that's my assumption. It could be they do have this this opponents island of secrets ten. Via on there. We shall see this. Yeah. That's a non orthogonal season. Absolutely. So we shall see. I'm really excited that was one of my favorite seasons last year. It's gonna be tough to top. But I'm excited to talk about Shannon with anything. So a lot of stuff coming into the hopper, and I want to thank you both. And thank everybody. I RJ as well for the very well rush wishes during the past several days bringing Asher into this world and catching him up to speed. I guess with all things reality TV. It's been I've been very grateful for it. And I cannot wait to see where we go from here. Okay. Anything else in regards to amazing race thirty one? Or anything else? Numb ryan. I think you should go practice badminton in the two weeks in between now. All right means Stephen versus you to next time. We get together. I like those. All right. Take care have a good one by.

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Tough as Nails | Season 2, Episode 8 Recap | Phil Keoghan

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Tough as Nails | Season 2, Episode 8 Recap | Phil Keoghan

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That's robbins website dot com slash patron. You yes duffin. Snails is back season. Two episode eight and your savage crew is back again to pick apart another episode of a tough as nails and of course we have our steamed panel here back with us once again to talk about it here. Ready to drive through. Any wall jessica lease. Just how are you in great rob. I baked cookies await. No this is just a big handful of oil ono chocolate syrup. No i don't think so. I'm gonna have to taste it. No definitely oil are those blueberries are they blackberries. Blueberries at one point. Okay all right of course back with us once again a man who always talks to inanimate objects and looks for them to respond to him. Here is a mike. Blue isn't that. What brain steals are essentially expecting responses back. So listen i'm in ford filkins. Sass me all he wants. But i am very much in the camp of just talk out loud and cpa voice. They respond to you at some point. Yes okay well. I think that our blueberries are blackberries this morning as we are in mourning of knuckles eliminated. I did not see that coming. J just as just as the hood up. She's blanketing and blanketing. Yes sad. yeah that was wild that we ended up seeing a ride. All the sudden unstoppable in the overtimes overtime assassin a writer who would have thought and this is two in a row as well as she really has a street going in that perspective and not just all on her clothes. Yeah i mean this. This was tough. This was really tough this examples. We talked about it a little bit with merrill last week like when you like this cast so much inevitably people you like have to go but it was a little bit of a blindside considering that. If we're trying to read the edit here. I do feel like for one reason or another knuckles. Was someone who we went to a lot and learned a lot about over the course of the season. Yeah just i know that. You are a self-proclaimed knuckles stan. how are you doing. I'm coping rob i've really. I've been taking the day to digest this information. It's it's a little upsetting. I think at at one point. We were saying that knuckles was like the young of the of the season two because she kept going into overtime and kept bouncing back. Now we're we're gonna have to revise that. I think it's era. Yeah two for two in the overtime knuckles seemed to have an achilles heel where and she mentioned in this episode. Not good with tools. Give a shit. Climb up down the orange tree. She's a hustler but when it comes to like a even like mike when they went to the stadium and she put the seats together. That was the other time she went to the overtime ball. Then remember the very first time she was supposed to go to. The overtime was her operating the bulldozer. And she couldn't do that either. So it really is like knuckles takes. Medication warnings literally and says like i'm not going to operate heavy machinery. I'm not gonna utilize tools. And as a result. The serve came back to bite her here and that obviously i think her inexperience with working the bolt under the the cars were something that center into overtime and then from while it probably was one of the closest. Ot's we've had so far. I think it's just a general inexperience with tools that her sort of fall under a right of here. Yeah i would even go further and say it's more of a particular tool thing as but more of a very many tiny steps and like tiny tasks to do. This was a multi part thing that she had to do and it was hard to figure out like it wasn't necessarily obvious what is the first thing you have to do. You have to get like three different. Sockets you have to open up three different types of bolts. So i can see where she gets. Really flustered when there's a lot of tiny steps in. It's not obvious what the first thing you have to do is God knows. I'd still be there me to what's what's this thing again. The oil pan port Under fire something in there to blow up the engine. Is that overdoing this. Ot phil just. I saw on twitter that you had an interesting observation of being able to sort of identify sort of like the general attitudes of a number of the toughest nails contestants. Yeah i had observed this while they were doing the first challenge. You had zeus who has extensively the crew boss Not sure. I'm not sure how someone that doesn't talk to. The other contestants could make an effective crew boss. You have well in fairness wasn't super effective but i thought well first of all we gotta talk about the complicated mess that was this task last season. It was like go find one part. Har- yeah go find the alternator. This was like put together a whole car. I loved it. I like great. I think this might be honestly my favorite challenge of the season. I loved it too. You know who didn't love it zeus. He would have had to read the manual and the personality types we saw here. It's like you were given a complicated task. You have zeus. That's like. I'm just going to dig. In and i don't need the manual. I'm gonna figure it out and you have your right. Who's like i'm gonna go back and read the instructions again angel. It's like give me the thing. Jimmy car parts just saying quote. There's a buzzfeed quiz in the making of a witch toughest nail season two contestant. Are you sophie. i'm surprised here is just. This is just testament to how little. Cbs's marketing this show. They could be building buzzfeed quizzes. Yup and it could go viral. But they're just right there for the picking. It's low hanging fruit. That was another week. So i was thinking about what you wrote and i was just thinking about like in the context of like if there's ever a dual podcast challenge like i feel like i could imagine them. I just feel like that angel would be sitting there at the microphone. Like all right. I remember ready to go. Let's start the podcast. Come on give me something. Let's start it. Yeah i think i think if we're trying to disseminate podcasts personalities. Zoos sorta like yeah came in with a rough plan bolster to go wherever it takes us as the moderator to sit back and let the guest talk angel is definitely the one. Who's like nope that talk about this. Okay let's jump into the next thing. Come on come on come on. Let's get to listen to her questions. And maybe knuckles as more so like okay. What are we doing here what what's happening right now. I'm not entirely sure. This is chaotic. Put on the wheel. Took notes Yeah i need to go back to my notes for that. So yeah know where my notes come on notes. Murar are you. Where'd you go notes. No tolerance for me notes. Where where are you so we were back at the pick apart. Do we know. Was this the same one as in season one i think. So yeah i. We'll have to ask phil wonder i mean i can't imagine there. Are that many in the same area. So i'd i'd imagine looks similar at the infamous alternator stuff from season one so we go into this battle for the teams here with a four three dirty hands lead and like maybe we're just two inside here. But i feel like this to episodes left. I don't know how savage crew doesn't walk away with the win here today like what would happen. Yeah i guess the next week just like okay. Well savage crew despite losing you could still earn money but from that perspective like is dirty hands. Maybe going to ease up on the gas pedal a bit to use a car analogy and be like all right. We already one are sixty thousand. Maybe they should get a little bit as well. I mean i don't know if it was fortuitous or unfortunate as timing dirty hands that they get the car challenge when their car guy in. Mia a against still big question. Mark for the leading the series as to whether or not freight train will come back into the competition i am. I feel like both justin. I last week doubted you as to freight trains returnee status. But after this week. I feel like there's almost no chance freight train isn't coming back because there's so much freight train talk. They don't talk about the other two who have left Yeah but it's all freight train all the time. It's almost like he's still there even though we know he's not physically there is like his spirit is just chugging along with the rest of the team. Now think for. Adrian got more visibility. This week swifty or maryland. Yeah yeah so. I feel like we will see freight train once again. I don't know won't be until the finale. Maybe yeah finale for sure definitely i guess the question is. Is he going to be there next week. I mean yeah. It's so odd again. Couple on like you said rob with what we talked about last week. It would just be so odd. If he wasn't in the competition and we get all this talk right about like. I hope we show up in freight trains there and then you even have fill in. What might be a little bit of a dr say well freight train is still in quarantine for breaking the cova right. It's done well freight train isn't here anymore so he won't be back. There seems to be still a lot of contingencies. That have been brought in. I don't know i think it's doubtful. He'll be back next week. But i agree even though he will be doing anything team wise. I think he'll probably be there. In the finale like routing on those final four just how good freight train need to be with cars to have gotten dirty hands the win all i think they would have made him crew boss which might have done it. All by itself. i think i think you have the right person in charge and the right person. That knows what they're doing and it might have even been a blowout. Were sliding doors here. I don't think there's any way we don't really good freight train. You still remember. They showed the picture of him being like a a drag racer. Yeah he was basically danny zuko. Yeah so maybe. He was able to put these cars together by himself in the garage. But no freight train and so you had to go pick out. All of the car parts and i was confused. And maybe one of you as like you know more insight into this than i did but was it one car that they were like taking apart and then building back as another car or did you have to find the parts from different vehicles in the pick apart. Dead air mike. Or i could tell you. I don't think we are not car people. We're not car talk people. I would imagine it's a bunch of different cars because what's the contest in that. If it's one car right then phil would just say run out to the clearly marked car in the graveyard and find the parts. I would imagine that much like the individual challenge. It was a lot of okay you kind of have to scavenger way through all these various cars. I mean i might. We might do. Some shopping shot comparisons. It doesn't seem like they were scrapping parts of the same car because if so then it really is just take the parts off of one car and put them all onto another car though. I guess we didn't get a look at the final vance. Just see how like jank. They looked with all. Here's a red door and a blue hood and no four. Different types of wheels does are the different types of cars where mike is concerned. Red and blue very much have like a seven year old vocabulary when it comes to cars. Yeah i think that it had to be really really byzantine if that's the case though because not every part goes on every car right like it's not one to one. I everything i know about. Cars comes from the johnny cash song one piece at a time and i know he had to do some work to get all the pieces fit together and that was all cadillac like different brands. You can't take a door off of one card. Put it on another car see. I don't even know red and blue mesa put on the blue one. Maybe there was a happy medium here where there was like a selection of five or six cars that could because there's that one scene right where in more than many communication breakdowns on dirty hands has a battery and then angels battery up battery right here. Look at the battery. And they're like no. I already have a battery and those are clearly coming from two separate hours. I just wonder how many like two thousand four dodge minivans did they have here in the pick one. Pick apart well rob. It is the biggest to pick apart. ever I don't know what the exact superlative was psi. Did google this. There are at least a dozen salvage yards called. Pick your part in the greater los angeles area. So okay you guys have so much space out. There has a new yorker. This is hard. Tape envision yes but which one has like the guinness world record being world's biggest pick apart we did they call guinness to verify that because if they didn't i'm not going to call it might do you think that roofer lee was jealous that he didn't get the hanging out there in the art that was like his favorite place to hang out. What should have happened is obviously had. These circumstances not occurred bill. Okay freight train won't be participating but you get a ringer for this challenge. Dirty hands ruefully. Come on yeah like survivor. Israel right where that tribe one roberta as a reward. You get roofer lee here you have to imagine roofer lee would be better at that than roper was rupert that would be wild to have somebody one of the alumni. Come in you know. Like i feel that in a world that was not undergoing a global pandemic like i feel like in the find your inner murph challenge. It would be great to actually have murph there so like it would be fun in future seasons to bring in like the alumni. Love that though. Because the point of that challenge was like murph conquered his fear but he did finish in last when he wanted to show on the show. Different kinds of victories. Michael could you loved ideas survivor. South africa this shaded. And i just watched this where like there was a reward challenge and whoever won the reward challenge to use a sports celebrity on their team for the immunity allen. Like imagine. just right you one danny. Drywall is going to help you out for the next team. Show next week. Is the memorial. Danny drywall challenge. Are they putting up drywall. It looks like it right there. Like putting up something else. I saw angel holding up like atlas style. Sorta like we saw danny. Doing his intro shots rang in holding the raised roof fed. Yeah but maybe writing a musical. Maybe they're finally writing on nothing nothing to do in cords team but that just i was very surprised that savage crew sat out meryl this week and so we had talked about last week. Could you sit out the same person back to back weeks. It seemed like it didn't come up to sit sally out for this competition. But i was really surprised. They went with merrill because we heard from merrill a couple of weeks ago that merrill used to like work with like the mechanics on the planes because she wanted to know how every part of the planes work and i felt like there was at least like some like a parallel skill sets between plane. Parts and car parts. No they all have bolts. They're all made out of metal and he gets. It's pretty much like you could just go out and get the door off the plane and put it on the car. I know it's a curious choice but it works. Oh yeah it worked fine. They didn't they. Did why i have to imagine that the rule is that you can't sit people out in some in back back challenges. Now that we've seen this we didn't really get into it like when fills here. I think we should flag that to ask him. But yeah i don't i don't really know why they would sit her out unless other people have actually worked on a car and not a plane. Well i don't know this kind of was settled challenge because i feel like look. Here's the line of logic. She has no not to be the best driver. She is often seen the inside of a mechanic shop. Wartime your advocates knows car parts better than anyone else. Just through osmosis. Yeah very good point. May maybe while we talk about dirty hands and they you know maybe they psyched themselves out because on the way to the pick apart who has long as. It's not car challenge today where we're doing great anything but car parts and then they showed it like oh wait. Let's make a left turn here Go into this junkyard dope. This was this is one of the biggest cluster f. So i think we've seen on tough as nails ever and phil really mentioned it right the fact that it was a really difficult challenge but dirty hands was just all over the map quite literally. People were getting lost and we're bringing back. Duplicate parts. angel was insistent that oh you need this front seen. Even though i brought back a front seat everyone was just incredibly confused. There is not a unifying voice whether from zeus or anyone else and invoices all exactly and and as a result. They ended up Jinxing themselves much. Like stephanie and liberals did back in two thousand ten yes at one point did they actually put a door on the wrong side of the car. Like how does that even work. How would you even get it on their well. I think it was that they already like. Let's say the arctic took a part of left door and we're going to put it on and they were going for the door. I think zeus took off another left door and like okay rap. I took off the wrong side door. And i just this is an entire. I can't just flip it around. They didn't put the left door on the right side right exactly. It was more so that they had to left doors. Meanwhile for savage crew. This was a scots turn at redemption. And so we got to hear. Some of scott's backstory of how scott was feeling coming into the that he really let the savage crew down last week. now. Mike was this. An underreported story of how scott was responsible for the slip-ups in the gardening challenge. Because i didn't really remember that being part of the story last week. But i mean scottish talking about and fill. It really was hanging spotlight on. How scott really screwed up the gardening challenge last week. Yeah it's interesting. Because i feel like our take away at least last week was it was more of a swifty thing. A scott thing right swift these leadership. He's the one that's putting things in the pudding the planting the plan still in their plastic. The one who's not really delegating even swifty to himself last week. Said i take this law. So i find it interesting. That scott has his own personal perspective into it. Feeling like was way too quiet last time and so i really need to step up. I mean for what it's worth. We saw this as well in the very first challenge that they won when they were building. The house. like when scott takes charge he might be one of the best leaders on the show. It is incredibly efficient. The job he is able to do which makes sense given that that this is his day today. So i'm happy that dino. He was able to step up. I agree an interesting narrative. That's a little incongruous our own perspective of what happened during that landscaping challenge last week. Yeah i just that they were like kind of hard on scott based on what we saw from last week's show but it must've been it must've been something that was talked about there because you know scott himself started the episode talking about the self doubt he had after that and then it was also coming from phil. He's talking about. How dirty hands car look like what. The savage crews garden looked like it is it is not very effective. Storytelling in this instance. I have no idea what scott was doing that last week and they didn't show it to us like we've done we don't really know what scott is doing And we always know what scott is doing. Because he's getting the ott p. edit And it was almost like they're apologizing to us for not showing us enough scott which i understand. I accept your apology. I mean on that note. We big episode. I would say for both scott and sarah alike. And i'm sure we'll talk about later. But i mean this is what we get like a big introduction for some of that i know scott about on his social media profiles which is the fact that he underwent a lot of bullying as a kid. And i realized scott's picture with so cute. I mean look i know that we are sort of i think part of that same group of people that probably maybe face some harassment on the way to court the chorus class outside wall as well but it was also really interesting to see this perspective. Because i do feel like up until this point. The only thing we really got from scott was like oh. He's the front runner. He's the front runner and so with any of these shows and with any of these sort of people that are in it to win it. I always like when we find out a little bit more personal information about them and how even someone like scott had something that he had to overcome to get the position. Yeah and you know. Things were bad because that scott said i believe. He got bullied by the band. Did he say the was it. Was it bad. Or maybe he was or was. I don't want to misquote. What what was he coming out of the band. But i feel like that if you're in the pecking order where the band is coming after you put that. Is that just like the chain of bullying like the band kids. We're getting we're getting picked on certain all goes downhill right. Yeah promise you. I was a band geek. And we didn't have anybody to bully like there was nobody else in there. i and bs. I don't trust anybody who wasn't bullied in middle school. That is it is character building. And i bet it was very gratifying. When scott got his growth spurt and then he was like two feet taller than everybody else. School yeah i must have felt really good. I watch episode with my wife last night and she was saying that she also had a the headset which i think that might be her origin story of how she turned into a bully. Then after that. I think it's actually turned into a podcast. No i don't know that's interesting backstory for the first lady of podcasting. Do you wanna talk about sarah that we also got some of her. Just feel similar to arrive where that it been mentioned on the show. That's our diabetic her. Pre-game press you talk about how she wanted to change the narrative. But we saw sally like having to check in with sarah and check on her insulin and she talked about like just how often she has to check her insulin levels and i was really blown away. She has to wake up in the middle of the night to check her insulin. And somebody who really like you. Wake me up in the middle of night. Very hard for me to get back to sleep. Could you imagine. I think you you must get used to it. I think it's just what you have to go through and i really have been enjoying. We've had a lot of awareness of how difficult it is to manage. Type one diabetes. I think also we talked about During amazing race It was something that leo talked about. And it's come up various times. I think amazing race seventeen. They had one of nat- or cat. I cannot remember who but it is something that it just kind of. It's something that has to be in the back of your head all day every day. Where's my blood sugar out whereas my blood sugar at and it does really hamper your ability to do something like this. So i think you have to be like even tougher to be on tough as nails and be in these really intense situations but also have to keep in the back of your mind that your blood sugar is relevant. If it was a really interesting balance of portrayal where on the one hand they really underline the severity of it. Right where sally's saying like. Oh you're at sixty right now. Well technically at seventy supposed to call the doctor but at the same time then you have sarah being like. I felt my blood sugar crash. But i had to push through it. You know so. He's a thing it should be something that's taken very seriously but at the same time it is not something to preclu- from being a normal person that you can still work through things and that's a very big reason why i'm very glad that sarah's on the show and let me say first hand to our new arrival here on the podcast phil cogan i mean thank you for helping cast sarah on the show because i do feel like she is a great example of how bringing someone on who if you don't necessarily know someone with type one diabetes and you think it is like a life ender for so many people in terms of living a normal life that is very much the opposite as as sarah shows and excuse my ignorance but do you have some connection to type one diabetes. I do not. And so. That's why i really valued it. I've luckily i guess social media has allowed me to to you know connect with those who who are and you know i found out about things about your blood sugar level crashing in the middle of the night. And a chance of you. Dying your sleep. Do you not wake up the fortuitous times. And so it's it's a scary existance yet it's a livable existence. I think is what sarah is putting across here and it's very meaning to me. Someone who does not experienced that firsthand. Now actually have a really close friend who has type one diabetes and it has come up like several times like every few years. Something happens that puts her in the hospital for a couple of weeks. And it's been really. It's been a hard thing for her to manage and it's a really stressful thing to go through. So i love when we get visibility. I think she also loves when there's visibility for it on a show like this there was There was a cycling team a professional cycling team. Type one i think is what the name of the cycling team was and they literally were all type ones and they were out there to prove that you could be a professional athlete and still perform really well and i think this this again speaks to the beauty of having people through the whole season is had we front-loaded that story of sarah. At the front of the season people would have been looking at everything. She's achieved along the way based on. Oh she's a type one diabetic. Hasn't she done well. And we wanted to leave that story nugget of her at a time where she kind of excelled against the best that were left and and then say everybody does kinda double take. You mean the whole time. She's been dealing with this and she's done that and it it to me. It really accentuated the point that she was making which was it doesn't stop you from doing things it but it does mean you gotta make certain allowances and adjustments and so i love that moment at the end and i love how sally came in and was taking care and we something i learned something and again this what a great takeaway the next time. We meet a another type one. The audience may be will not see that as some kind of hindrance for living a full life. But yeah you've got to manage it but you can still do extraordinary thanks. Yeah that's an interesting shift in terms of a lot of times on a reality tv show if somebody has some sort of like a condition that they are dealing with on the show we usually. That's the first thing that we know about them. And now we end up like sort of like thinking about that person like oh oh the diabetic that's on the show like and then that's a really interesting way to sort of like the way that you might like in real life. Meet somebody and then learn about that. They have a condition is definitely humanizes them. In a in a different way as opposed to just like looking at them through the condition. That you get upfront. Yeah it's so true. I mean and how many times do we all we just do that right. We have sort of. We have bias right like we. Here's somebody is come from a certain place or we hear an accent and we make certain assumptions. I just read a fantastic book by the way called. I think it's called you say potato and it's all about accents. I'm fascinated with accents but you know how we judge people by the way that they speak by the way they dress. We immediately make these assumptions about people and so for a lot of people they hear. Somebody is type one diabetic. Then make an assumption immediately about that person and she kind of proved that she could compete on tough as nails and was a force and then it was revealed. Oh and she's done that managing her type one diabetes because in in episode two. There was a moment where she also had to check her blood sugar and a gut low because the challenge went on quite a long time and we deliberately did not use that scene in episode two. Because we later on back reducing from the end we decided that this episode eight was the most poignant moment or best time to share that story. So i'm a little late. We were what were we doing. We were meeting about the last show going to show up late dinner this time. I uh anyway. It's nice to talk to you guys. Did you enjoy last night's episode. Yeah love we did get to that point. What phil was was this sort of repris of last season. We're trying to figure out what this indeed the same pick. Apart that we went to last season with the alternators in part of the reason was again. Just the challenge of finding new locations and new locations that could cope with or could accommodate us with the space that you need to set up covert production and again spoken about it before. But we're not shooting in the big brother house. We haven't got one location that we keep going back to where we can. Just you know once we've got it locked in once. We have the protocol. It's like okay done with that. Now we focus on everything else. We had to focus on this every single location and thirty challenges or how many it is and every single time. So yeah we ended up back there and to be honest with you. We started with the challenge and then it was about where we were going to do it and other locations. We looked at that. Could've worked looked very similar to pick apart it. They're pretty similar looking. You got a bunch of dead cars stacked up things being crushed machines driving around so yeah and it was just magical there. I mean i. I just love the look of the show. It was so much fun to grade all those primary colors. It looked like another world so it was one of my favorite shows to to take into post just because of the opportunity for really drawing out. Those colors just looked amazing. I thought and oh. And i do want to assure. Do want to show your viewers that the oil spilt was cleaned up. We left no drop of oil on the ground Our show is incredibly environmentally conscious. When you were saying swift the budget like oh. We're going to have to clean that up a hint of bitterness like damn it. That's more of a little bit of a little bit like dude. You really have to spill out because we gotta clean it up but no it's just you know. I sort of find it humorous. When people i find it humorous when people make the assumption that you're doing the wrong thing rather than making the assumption that you might have done the right thing is just sort of interesting to me like not even a question like oh i hope you clean up that oil question more. No it's. I'm assuming you have not cleaned up that oil. And that's an environmental hazard and my husband pointed out that immediately lately. It's like we've done all this bad stuff. And so i had to reply. Say i can assure you we owe and hashtag. Hashtag be better rush. So we've got. I had to just i was just very polite and i and i just said please rest assured that your husband no at ola oil that was spilled was cleaned up and that we have a very strict environmental mandate throughout the entire production. We have boxed water. We we make sure that our utensils are recyclable. Like everything we really strict the pay the we use bamboo plates. We we we go to great lengths and it costs extra money to be more environmentally conscious because a lot of environmental choices end up costing you more money at the front end chur because it's so much easier to just throw stuff away and that's the thing anyway. It's just i get it. I get people are concerned and all of that. But i do hope this kind of a shift as we get out of a very tough year we get to a shift of. I'm assuming you did the right thing. As opposed to a meshu during the wrong thing. Let's kind of try to. Everybody needs to be pulled up on things because we don't get everything right but let's be a little more in the. Maybe you did the right thing. Amen amen yes phil. What was the secret in terms of the individual challenge. Do you feel like that. Somebody who was able to watch the whole thing was there. Was it just like being able to get the a bolt open the fastest or was it like a certain type of car was really like the jackpot. It was to me. And i said at the top this so many times when when we're all faced with doing job and we don't have the right tools. How many times have people being stuck in the wilderness. And they've got a broken down tractor. I remember my grandfather telling me a story about he was he was out. It was in during the depression. Any was actually. I think i could tell his story without offending anybody. But because goodness knows it's always did start college good story but could that good story offend somebody. I hope it doesn't offend anybody. Anyway my grandfather was out on a date and the car broke down and he had to fix the fan belts and he asked his date to take off her pantyhose so that he could turn hair pantyhose into a fan belt and that they got home again. If i've offended as long as that wasn't his move was a one time thing. I'm just i can't believe it. The fan car broke down. Yeah it was a legit legit like what he needed to fix it but my point is so many times you're forced to have to complete a job and you don't have the right tool and you have to make. Do you have to use ingenuity end. So that exercise was really a test of yeah. You would not collects oil in an oil pan and then transport the oil in an oil pan to a container to put it in. You'd put a you'd get a proper container so that there'd be no drops and then you would take that recycled that's how they do it on the lot. But this was an exercise in okay. How are they going to cope with observing where the bigger engines are picking cars that had potential to have more oil identifying where those were the closest big engines. Were to where they were keeping a track of ohio. Already tried that engine or watching out for somebody else. Trying that engine and seeing that they didn't get anything from that engine so there was a lot going on. You know it was. It was a very we. Put them in. A stressful situation in the goal was to see who could cope with the stress. And you know sarah is. She's like an ice cold Competitor when she gets into competitive mode she just laser focused. And i think that's why she wants. Scott slipped over scott was doing well but he he slipped over he was panicking a little bit and and then knuckles got an his head by sliding under taking his oil. Yeah it was getting in his head. And and i think sarah's the one that kept her cool doing the job even her pours were slower like she was not rushing or poor who was getting more of the oil in and and that's how i think how she got the victory so going back to the team challenge phil. Can you describe. Just how chaotic it was in the moment for dirty hands because it really come across as savage crew united front dirty hands all over the place. Was that really the sense as well. Yeah and on the lot. It was almost exactly the polar opposite each team of what happened in the landscaping challenge. Dirty hands in the landscape. A challenge for all together organized knuckles took control a. It was paying attention to details. Angel in zeus were working for them in terms of doing getting the soil. In their cutting the concrete bricks and savage crew fell apart they just fell apart and it was exactly opposite in the car building challenge. Dirty hands never got it together. They just you know. And and zeus was saying he didn't need instructions will clearly. Everybody else did so. That's where you got to be more of a team player. Maybe and go okay. I don't need instructions. But then i think knuckles said well do i. I don't know how to do this. I need the instructions and everything they had to do was carefully laid out on those. Those plans that instructions that we we gave them so. I think you know. Zeus was the leader. And i think i think he would be the first to admit that one of the things you learn about being a team members that you can assume that everybody else knows what you know that you sometimes have to make allowances and go. Oh okay. i don't need instructions. But i better make sure that to get the best out of my teammates. I help them understand or assign them a job and say here's the instructions. You're in charge of the light. Bulbs headlamp sorry but whereas i think that was the challenge was really a moment for for for us to see savage crew working really well as a as a coordinated team scott was very clear with his directions. I loved how sally kicked into operation mode. She just treated like she was at an operation. Yeah you tell me what. I need what you need. I'll get the tool to you. Make sure sponge. Scalpel suction was like i love that bit from her and she showing that all season long. She's prepared to jump in and do whatever needs to be done whenever it needs to be done and they just they came together as a team and it was a great victory and you know we ended up with our our dreams situation where we have a tie going. We've got a tiebreaker again. I mean the chances of that are miniscule and for the person who said that they felt the show was scripted. Which i thought was kind of funny. And somehow i could convince these people. Listen guys i got a great idea. You lose that one and then you're gonna win the next one and then we'll get to four great you good with that all of you people with high integrity and all of you honest people. Are you good with that. Because i like to script things and he'll be great to go four four into the finale. Good with that everybody good with that. Okay great phil. We had some questions about the mechanics behind this challenge particularly We wondered about the mechanics in the challenge. No not the mechanics in the challenge the mechanics of the challenge We were wondering about the decision to sit merrill out and we wanted to know if there's actually a rule that says that they can't sit the same person out every time you know i i would have to double check that but my would be no. I think the the goal what we said to them was the decision you need to make. Who is the right person to sit out. This challenge had. They wanted to sit sally out again. I think we would have argued with that. That's a team choice And we should also shouldn't be a we shouldn't be handicapping them in any way they have to sit somebody out to begin with they should be able to put their who they feel are the four strongest people for that particular job just because dirty hands are down. A teammate doesn't mean that that should affect savage crew being able to put forward who they believe the best for people to go up against them. So i'd have to double check that. But it's not a rule that i would support i would i would say no let them. This is a team. This is a team thing sometimes in a team you figure out who's gonna sit on the bench because maybe one of your good players has got a bad ankle and you think let's play somebody else who's not maybe as good a player but has a better ankle today. So yeah i would. I would like to say that. Yeah i mean we never got to that. It never got to that. But it's a good question. And i guess it's something that we should prepare for. But i would advocate for. No you sit out. Whoever you want to sit out not to be results-oriented but it seemed like it was the right choice ultimately. Yeah it was in an. I think what's great about everybody on the show is the egos are such that they they understand what it's like to work on a team and i think they could see i think y- they they're about the team and what's best for the team. It's not like. I have to be in this. Because i need to do it for me. So merrill volunteered to sit out because she felt that she would be would be more helpful maybe to have someone like selling maybe she saw a strengthened. Sally that cell. He was going to be that really good assistant and be able to help because she was working very closely with scott if you notice throughout ending tools to him listening to him what he had said she was. She was very comfortable taking that role to support and she mentioned it in. And i think they will came together. And you know sarah. Of course absolutely rock-solid swifty completely different energy level from him from from last week. They were really good team. I thought talking about A rydah and now that she has won back to back overtime challenges really feels like bet. She is coming on very strong here towards the end of the season. Yeah i i mean these are the things that you hope for the beginning of a season that you get a story where she had the least amount of confidence of everybody in the entire show. She said things. Like i'm not even sure i belong in this group. You know. she doubted herself. She was constantly surprised every time she beat out some of the other people on the show. And so i love watching that. I love to see her confidence grow. I think now after the show she's talked about the fact that her i think she stands straighter. I think she holds your head higher. Not an arrogant way but just in a you know what i'm actually a bit of a bad ass and i've proven i've gone up against some really tough competitors and i deserve to be here and so i i love to see that loved to watch that arken people who have fallen in love with her online because she represents a lot of other people who may be you knuckle spoke about this in the window washing and the payroll painting episode where sh