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Catherine Cohen's Dreams

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

18:17 min | 1 year ago

Catherine Cohen's Dreams

"This is a head gum podcast. Support for this show is brought to you by the new audible original heads will roll Saturday, lives, Kate McKinnon and co-creator. Emily Lynn, enter the night, Rome where evil Queen Martina and her ditzy Raymond psychic must put down a peasant rebellion at save the throne. The scripted audio comedy. Also features the wicked towns of Meryl Streep Tim Gunn. Peter Gingrich queer is fab five eighty Brian. And so many more listen free with Thurday trial. Just go to audible dot com slash vulture heads. That's audible dot com slash vulture hits. Hi. And welcome to good one a podcast about jokes. I'm your host vulture senior editor Jesse Dave FOX, and I have a little treat for you today. It's another bonus episode. So I've been following comedy professionally for nearly a decade now and personally for longer than that, obviously. And one of the most exciting parts of that job is when you see someone just a bit under the surface, maybe people know them in Brooklyn and the east side of Los Angeles. But you can tell that they are destined for something. It's more than thinking oh this person to star though, that's part of it. It's this person is operating such specific self inspired frequency that. You just know that the culture will eventually fall for them it. It's a thing where you watch them. And you're like, wow, you are so many people's future favorite comedian. This all say, this is what it's like when I watched Katherine Cohen coast of the Truman podcast and one of the most exciting new voices out there. Do use her parlance. I like so many other obsessed, and if you aren't already get ready to be so this many episode with Katherine Cohen was recorded live at union hall for what became the Julie classroom episode and people have been super supportive of our last bonus good one with Mat Rogers and bone Yang. And it means a lot that we can use this podcast to showcase the sort of full range of what is happening in comedy right now. One more thing before we go to Katherine. I haven't announcement that I think you'll be interested in as a person. Currently listening to his podcast this show. Good one eight podcast about jokes back with full length episodes with some insanely super exciting guests on may twentieth. I cannot wait for you to hear what we've been working on alas. I must but thankfully, I can bring a cat Cohen. So without further ado, here's Kevin Cohen and her dreams. Oh my God. And amazing voice. Give me think. Okay. She has it all and it's true. I I'm young. I'm gorgeous. Oh, but just this morning. I had one sip of cold Bruin ruined mile and the hall. That's right stars. They're just like oh my God. Okay. Addicted to this venue like a library. But instead of reading you drink which I am obsessed with. I went home for the hall holidays. If your present, and I was just like drunk everyday. And I'm trying not to do that anymore. Going home for the hose a great way to see which of your friends from high school is deeply involved in a pyramid scheme. I'm jogging Ging's dogging lipsticks don't rub off car. I know I should stop saying I'm sorry. When someone tells me they're engaged where there's a lot of things I should do. When someone tells you they're married. I do blackout and forget their name. When someone shows me their ring after engaged, I'm like, okay, I'm listening. I love being jealous or something that I don't want. I am newly single. I just went through a break up. Think Yaar breakup are cool because it's like a best friend, and then they die. Oh, come on. Try. Thought seriously. I didn't like having a boyfriend. I don't like being the of girl, my friend, mainly because the girls were like way fan or the same kind of girls who were like there's actually too much sugar and fruit. So for me hits the desert pop. Absolutely, absolutely. I'm back on the Mark your fucking heart sow. My type is anyone who doesn't care if I lived I or anyone who can be sort of shrieking at a city bike in flat iron because they can't figure out how to get in and out of the thing. Is my sexuality red-faced sweating through tie on my God, I want I want to yell at me is this health my therapist. Let's call her. And because that's her name. She she was like. You're to instant instantly intimate. Okay. Do you work for BuzzFeed? What's what's your endgame batch to suffer from depression, or as I like to call it crying because outside smells like the best. I love nostalgia hurts end feels bad. After my boyfriend. I broke up once again, thank you, we proceeded to live together for two more months, which is actually good for the environment. Thank you. So I moved out literally one week ago to that Manhattan, the Manhattan, you probably tell you I smell it on me that I don't live in Brooklyn anymore. I'm sorry. Miss you. Seriously, miss. You is. Absolutely, absolutely. Since I'm moving watching a lot of apartment therapy videos, and they're all like how to make a small space work for you. And in the videos, everyone's like, I put a shelf under my mattress, my master's his books. My toilet is the floor. I don't show. And microwave I watched one where this girl is couple who lives in a tiny space and the girls. Like what's interesting about is that I'm five two, but he's actually six five. And I just think when someone six five it can be really incredible for everyone involved communities really rally around that. I'm sorry. If this gets too tall. I will try to fuck it. So I'm gonna make it a little blower when I was packing for big move. I found absolutely gorgeous little new book it said Catherine's dream journal. And it was two entries from two thousand sixteen and then obviously up nothing. What's follow through? I don't know. Never heard of it. So do the little bit of what a lot of people would call a song. This this on about what I found in the dream journal. And it's really basically the first person sort of the ground-breaking idea that I'm going to discuss tonight. Is that dream my dreams are weird. I don't like. Hang on. I know I have you in the palm my hand. And I love every minute of it. So I'm going to the DJ can hit that t. Obsessed. Yes. So bold to bring NO karaoke truck to show breaks might even say it's brave turn it up. Thank you. No, no matter. No, no matter. Bill. Three grossest booking things like having sex. Never cowgirl in my. I like his music. Music. When a long woods. Spurs Mira tree. But I. No, no, no. No. No. No, no, no, not no. The. Nine. Another fucking dream that I. Tripods? No one ever watch. It. King. This thing that I throw cross the room when I back for the lines or the role trunk girl. Number two. I don't even light blocking Texas. I. Really have to. Just nine they're like beached whale. And. No, no, no. Snow on. No winning on wanna weady wanna winning. Being on. Fifty thousand people alter ride shit every ever. -pointment sowing the answer to this. Go buy them. Everyone will be like. Toby? Reality. I just wanted to go really fucking. No, no. Oh my God. Like, I sort of had this which I loved well. Katherine cohen. Thank you. Welcome to my. Out that for you got up Sloot have hung. How did you like are you? Sure, you don't do this. You can always me. Maybe I don't care what guys think of her. I don't fucking shut his I'm confidence. There's a little blood coming out of my mind, you're gonna marry yourself. I'm going to marry myself salute is this based on a true story and true dreams. I have recurring sex dreams about 'em. And it was reverse cowgirl position. I don't like because my assholes really hairy. And that's okay. And that's actually beautiful even. When you're like, this is thing I need to start writing about this dream. Well, if I may I have to share our next guests who we know and love so near and dear they have show. I don't think so Honey work comedians rail against culture for one hot hot minute. And in the in the heat of the summer the heat of the summer, and this was when I was living in Brooklyn, which you might have probably been able to know I did. And I don't think any of my dreams, and I didn't really prepare it because I am kind of chill, and I don't really care about shit. And so it ended it evolved into me yelling. No, my dreams. And I thought maybe there's a song in there. And you guys are like, I don't think so. So then what happens next? How does it? Then become a song. Do you serve lyrics? You get the music. What do you do? Yeah. I I started going. No, no Madria. And then I I write the lyrics. Our like I have. And then Henry Caparo ski my piano player collaborator angel of music. He will start playing chords. And then I'll kind of improvise over that. And then usually we stay with whatever I say I because I'm lazy and have no followed. Say like a style or just sort of guesses based on. Yes. When I was like, obviously, it was love story by Taylor swift. I was pretty clear with the key change. That to me is too. So this is a newer song. This is your new song is now a men hadn't comedian end. Mean to you to be a minute. Oh, my I thought you'd never have in mostly means talking about it a lot and making sure everyone knows about it. What happened? I have to talk about. And this is real I don't I don't ever lie last night. I'm sitting in my Newman apartment, which is obviously incredibly expensive. I love throwing money in the garbage. And I'm laying here this big crash. I'm watching a scape from more. Done mona. Sure, I hear a crash that crash wasn't in the show. I go the living room. It is a one bedroom. Calm down. And I see the half my window has fallen on shouted all over the floor. This is last night. Classic met end store. Classic Manhattan love story. And I'm like, I moved here for this fucking shit. Anyways. So I had to keep talking. I had to call. I had to call my new lover come over to his place. And I was like this winter thing kind of worked out for me. When you were a young person in Houston, Texas, where you're from always imagined a Manhattan commission, literally. Yes, maybe not a comedian. But a person in Manhattan. How does I feel like you came? You're like, oh, I will be Joe's pub person. How does the person who's not from here know that I watched clips of people singing at Joe's pub on YouTube. And I was like those people are so cool. And that you're just like, oh, I don't know want to start doing the song. Oh, that'd be a dream to do at their apprehension to be a singing comedian. Yeah. I think comedy can be so fucking awful, obviously minds. Perfect and flawless her. Some people at work. How do you feel about rhyming do like, I don't know how to rhyme or write a joke? I wanna be clear about that. I never said I did. Though, you didn't do tonight. Sometimes you're able to burp on command. I can do. What you say a little joke. Sorry, literally can't stop creating content. I can't live on command for you. He's paying me millions to be here. So you were on difficult people. I was I have online you played it was Brooklyn Vilma. I believe yes. Tell me about that day. Oh, is it such a dream? I'd love the show. I never done anything on TV. And I went, and I thought I made it. Yes, fun. Do I have any other questions? Not even. Yeah. What's your deal? I hope this podcast. You do so much mostly just this. No. And there's more. Cool. What are you going up to tonight? So this and then after you Madam bow. And then Julie, my parents are here. Oh my God. I know. Well, I love that. Are you close with your parents me too? I'm so close parents and don't talks about that. Knowing that it's about loving your family. I love my fucking family. Catherine. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. That's it for another upset of good one. Katherine Cohen will be form in her solo show. The twist she's gorgeous at Joe's pub in New York on may fifteenth June seventeenth and July eleventh folk Catherine on Twitter at cats Cohen produced by Mike commentate with production help from Melnik and just min Molly Justin de right? That are seem so. Our view the show at apple podcast but stars. And, hey, if you know anyone might like the podcast, maybe tell what the heck Eamonn comments questions or lapping around suggestions to podcasts at GO dot com. I'm Dave sitting at Jesse David FOX back next week with a new episode and a new joke have a good one. Support for this show is brought to you by the new audible original heads will roll from Senator Kay McKinnon and co creator, Emily Lynn, enter the night room or evil Queen Martina energy, raven sidekick put down a rebellion and save the throne will their friendship survive sensitive generals, Chetty sex slaves, wanna behemoths prince's with bird fetishes, and the notion of democracy. This audio set features the wicked talents of barrel Streep, Tim Gunn. Peter did good queer is fat five eighty Brian and so many more. It's a scripted audio comedy TV for your ears. Listen free thirty day trial. Just go to audible dot com slash vulture hits. That's awful dot com. Culture heads. That was a Hickam podcast.

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Las Culturistas's I Don't Think So, Honey!

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

19:04 min | 1 year ago

Las Culturistas's I Don't Think So, Honey!

"This is a head gum podcast. Hello. And welcome to good one a podcast about jokes. I'm your host Bolger senior editor Jesse Dave FOX nine. A little bonus episode for you to tidy over while the next season of good one is still even in like a good brisket will need some time, but fear not this one will be fun. As our guests are Mat Rogers and bone Yang, aka last culture, recess as in the one full podcast. They house together short story two years ago. I was looking at the comedy shows happening in town. And I couldn't believe what I saw a show that listed fifty comedians on the line in a funny sounding name. I don't think so Honey live listener I went and I loved I not hurt less races at this point. But within five minutes of that show. I got it. And I felt that home on the way back to my apartment. I reach out to them and ask if that ever wanted to things culture, and and I've been a fan and we've been friends in casual collaborators ever since I've been seen live comedy for like fifteen years now, but nothing is like the shows sort of full Audie. Science interaction and joy that everyone is experiencing together. It is seen fortifying, and they will be remembered, and you can go see yourself if you're in New York, they're bring show back to the bell house able twentieth then Dallas April twenty third. He's April twenty four then. Awesome. April twenty seventh the moon power festival. This Minneapolis owed that you're about to hear was recorded live at union hall. Four became the Julie classroom showed. I started this podcast hoping to offer people a different perspective on some of the biggest comedians working today. But it also gave you glimpse of what the future of the industry would look like, and that's what they are. But bone currently work on Saturday Night Live and Matt the second season of the other two they are what comedy's don't debate. So here they are. I hope you enjoy man bow and as much as I. Who gets a chair who gets stool? That your mic bone your is this one. Oh, yeah. This is the one we found who people to. Fairness I'm sorry. I just the topography of the stage picture is really unsettling for everyone. I'm going to be here. Do you have your light even walking a light? And I'm blocking the early. Okay. Hold on get our light. I mean, this is. Okay. I'll stand for. This is fucked up. All right. You're tickets out. It's actually an audio visual experience only for them. So we'll just be compelling on the Mike people at home listening to this bitch have such a clear picture. Yeah. Bones on a stool imagine a chair. Yes. What can I say something to you? Hey. So far so sleigh. Oh, really so far so sleigh. So for all day. I dunno down. Okay, right round. Definitely right. Put in a book. So we are here with you to talk about. I don't think. So Honey do people out there know what that is? They are going to show you doing showing do you want to start by shopping? Okay. So who should go? First is emotionally intense. Mine is a mine is like universal Ming. Yeah. Go I. All right. Do you have a timer? Oh, sure. For sure. Yeah. I have my phone. So the first thing you need to do. This bid is a phone. Yeah. So basically what we're about to guys is we're going to demonstrate what an I don't think. So Honey is so and I don't think so Honey is a sixty second rant against something in pop culture that we fucking hate. Yeah. So it's a really a catharsis minute of catharsis. What are some famous? That we've loved what am I is truly Katherine Cohen. I don't think so many my dreams. I don't think. So Honey, let's see what are some of your favorites? I recently did I don't think so Honey balloons fucking don't think so honeymoons they've flopping pop and Arnold extremely loud nearly loud. I done one. I don't think so Honey tattoos like people who get tattoos. We got it. You studied abroad like five. We have something special which is called the troll bowl, which is a bowl of topics that we fill with things that would be almost impossible to go negative on university. Loud. You have to Julie Andrews have to shit. Julie Princess Di was in there. Jon benet. Remember, remember, HARA Baha? She was certainly in there. Certainly the Obamas sisters. Yes. Yeah. Sasha melita? That was tough that was a hard one. Well, the person that picked it refused to do it got even more. Yeah. There you go. But what's going to happen right now is we have to pre-prepared. I don't think because we got some shit to we do. I think we do. I think so I think it's bone Yanks time. Okay. So here we go. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so Honey and his time starts now. I don't think so Honey cardboard boxes Amazon prime. No or like Amazon cardboard all over my apart. No, look, here's the thing. How come when you break down cardboard boxes? Suddenly, everyone is like a professional wrestler, and I have to fucking do do, a a grapple grapple grapple on corrugated fiber. No, honey. I don't think. So Honey, I don't think so Honey that I have to tape it together on Mondays only thirty seconds and make a fucking art installation out of it. Like, I'm at the armory. And then then keep it in my apartment Tuesday. I gotta wait 'til Monday to recycle then bring it down from my third floor walk up to the side of the streets. I don't think so Honey, you know, what this is the way of the future bags Honey bags give me biodegradable bags Amazon's Jeff Bezos five. Nice bag. We love Assaf. That's one minute. It's rule of culture. Number eighteen. We love us. So that was like, okay. So that wasn't quite as impassioned as a lot of them are. But I was saying that mine was universal you have anger. Do you fucking see my shoulders going baby undulated to make sure you saw the shoulders. Okay. This is this is what an electron get excited from energy. You would know bitch. Med in college. I never stop reminding people. This is not Reuters is I don't think so Honey his time starts now. Okay. I don't fucking things. So Honey that the words stand like ice stand for this comes from the Eminem song, STAN that I just learned about this. I can't fucking believe. I was so dumb that every fucking time. I've been gagged for McColl Kidman film over the past three fucking years or television series. I've been saying 'i stand and putting fucking money in the proverbial pockets of my fucking middle school oppressor. And it's not the first time. He's the mentioned it will be the last thirty buck Eminem. Also, let's unpack STAN you what happens to stand stint booking dies. Okay. So you're being like I stand here. Thank you next to express your love for Arianna grant. Guess what? No. You are not a stand because you're not a coup key sucking. He used to sit. He drove his Cora fucking bridge and killed his girlfriend. I'm not a stand. Fuck this Eminem. You are not a rapper to me them. Fuck you because what you should have been as a fucking porn star. Bottom used to love showing your obsessed with gay people. I don't want to hear from you can sit on the dick and modem pleasure until then I don't think so that's one. Kunda followed that could've followed that go. I because I knew I had it. Yes. This is a competition had more to that is ahead. More to that's crazy. I can't get over that either don't say anymore. Don't how about that. What what do we say incest and cancelled within how do you express? Here's how you I like this. That's what we say. I'm a fan of this stand. Oh, that's cool. That's what I say. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Great very very fairly nineteen fifties. Okay. Yeah. Retro retro Russia of you, actually rule culture. Number one hundred six grow is retro. Hi, sorry. Just the high Jesse famously here. So when you had those ideas, what is the process would be like when you you know, you have a good one. Would you prepare to build a case to then do one on your pockets or in a life format such as so there are million different ways to have a successful? I don't think so hunting greats. I mean like on the pod. I mean, we've sort of our shaina has been dulled a little bit. I think we gotta sharpen up. But like because we just do it on the spot where like God, I didn't think of anything for this. I don't think. So Honey, you know, like UPS slips just like, and then you like kind of wallow in hockey nece. But here's the thing. If you think about it, and you don't have to think hard life is fucking suffering, and it's not hard to be fucking pissed about shit. Yeah. Because it's not great like, and you'd be amazed at things you can have a strong opinion about. Like, I was what I was upstairs. I was I was outside walking to the gig the venue, and there was a person with shorts on. And I I don't think so Honey. Yeah. It's frigid you suffered because of him, of course, because I'm very I'm very empathic year. And so I felt the pain. Yes. So you had the first episode of last Culturas your podcast have night. Oh things. Honey. Remember what you guys did? I remember we do very very first one. We thought we were going to have each episode thematic around some pop cultural events of the first one was the Grammy's. So we made our thousand sixteen twenty sixteen. A while ago. And we we made our sort of relevant that. And so I did mine on sleepy Gomez. I think I said you should return to acting good and spring breakers. Yeah. That was my case. What was your you? Remember, your I don't remember my first ever one knowing the Grammys. It was probably like, I don't think. So Honey the Grammy's. Rather dumb? And I will say right now. Oh, you know, what it was Jesse now? Okay. Was I right. Oh, so yours was the sound mix on a Dell's performance. Remember that performance when they fucked her up, and she had to start over that was there was the sound mix. I don't think so yours was Taylor. How tale that you feel like Taylor swift co ops other people's excitement when they went award. Oh. You did a pooled one about Selena Gomez, isn't that? I'm sorry. I'd never give myself credit for anything. But like, that's an amazing observation. That's incredible. She does that she's like so over the fucking moon when other people succeed, it's nice. But it's also like so performance. I don't know. Having witnessed each other. Do it. How do you feel like your styles are different? I think I think that was a really good example of our differences. I'm trying to come at it from a more on a now, you're just more cerebral. And I'm more mentally unhealthy. And I what I do is scream from the base of my basic, ask slow island gut. And scream about gay shit. And and bow and usually has like a beautiful culture take on something. I don't know. I mean that wasn't like the most refined thing, but was in Q. I I think it's nice to beat it out. I mean, we both. We both go about like beating out in some very loose way. That's still is still enough structure. Like, how funny there should be repetition of the phrase? I don't think so Honey there should be real passion. And it doesn't even necessarily have to be jokes. You just have to fucking really. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about a more serious topic? I feel like we've talked about this before where it could shape the mood. How do you guys off mind at this point? Now, the witness maybe a thousand of these. Like a Trump adjacent. Thing. Like I every now and then I'm like harder myself. And I'm like, oh is I don't think so Honey lake bordering on lake clapped or it's like people are like, oh, they're only laughing because it's like, oh, yeah. I know that I really to that where it's like also comedy. I feel like I feel like it just we sort of occupy all parts of that spectrum where it's like, it can be so frivolous or it can be so serious and it still succeeds like we've never seen people bomb. Right. Well, I mean, that's what's so cool about the left shows we do this live show with fifty comedians all getting on stage, and they all do one one after another. So it's really really fun because gay bonnaroo. And I think that when we started doing it. It was like we did have the concern like is this negative. I mean, it's inherently negative. I don't think so Honey this thing, but what it ends up being actually cathartic. And so it's like a very fun experience because we're always punching up. You know, what I mean, it's not we're not going up there and saying something insane. Like, and you know, it's interesting because the very first time we ever did it. I actually put in the troll bowl. I don't think. So Honey, Donald Trump. Yeah. And someone picked it out. And it was the only one that felt bad. You know what? I mean. Sure. What she was. She was overwhelmed. I think she was choose. She told us afterwards. She was like it was just the the audience fucking lost. When we drew Donald Trump. Yeah. Everyone was like oh my God. This is going to be amazing. And then she just probably got over wellm. What the thing is. Also like, you can't cover it, all, you know. So it's not really for that. And we've had people pitch to us like I want to come on the show and do a serious thing. And so we let them know like you do. Whatever you want to do is just it's your time. And it's it's going to be over in one minute. But the thing is like it's four stupid fun cathartic getting off your chest bullshit. And so that's why we filled the troll bowl was shit like Emily blunt. Who actually cares? And who actually means the negative thing about I'm only blanche delights. Well, I I have one egg pin which I think an Hatheway should have been married pulpits. Oh, did you see Mary Poppins? I have not seen it. But I bet she's good. I made a mistake. The other day co that Mary Poppins revenge. And I thought that movie would be so much better and to be so funny. So joking Bucer friend of both pockets and best. I don't think so Honey ever has. He's he at some point. Did I think he said it should be about culture when it's not about cultures the problem? So for both you broadly. What is what is culture to both of you? You know on our show we actually asked this question of every guests that comes on. We say, what was the culture that made you say culture was for me. And what we mean by that is like what shaped you growing up. Yeah. So it was the pop culture that shaped growing whether that be filmed television, whatever people say like, oh tennis was like my cultural thing that like just like crystallized some part of my identity or this neighborhood. I grew up in Rhode Island's like it's really just runs the gamut. I think it's we we like to have a very broad definition of what it is. We're never restrictive we're never trying to. I don't know. Parameters on what means to people? Yeah. I think that Joel would prefer it be about pop culture because he's a fucking stunt Queen. Yeah. Wants to start drama because he's messy. But sometimes sometimes you just got a call like it is and say, I don't think so Honey balloons because they're fucking loud. And plastic which is bad. Yeah. Last question. Do you have any questions for me? We asked Jesse to do. And I don't think so Honey ones at the live show, and it just seemed to overwhelming, and I asked if I could write one to have someone else perform as me, which is which isn't. I don't think the Honey that crazy. But I told Matt I have a thing that I believe that. I could write so well about it's good. I will I can't do one in the future. If you need you heard it here. What do you want? When you have a straight identifying person on the show which happens once or twice per show. What do you want from them as an ally? I truly don't ask anything of them. I'm just I'm just glad that they're walking into the dragon's. Ma that is like such an aggressively queer space and to like even go up there and the and they'll do great the fucking kill. I don't ask them of anything. Yeah. Ask I asked for a sexual favor. Okay. The next you. Oh, the next we're we're going on tour. So yeah, we're going to start it in the Pacific northwest. We're go into Portland Seattle Vancouver for J L, San Francisco, and we're going to be in Boston. Philly DC, Houston, Austin and Dallas. And we're also going to do a show in Brooklyn at the bell house on April. Twentieth. So they'll be super loopy that night, Mat Rogers and Bo thank you. Jesse? So much. That's it for another good Goodwin. New episodes of Las Culturas come out everyone's day, you can get tickets for their April. I don't think so Honey live shows in Brooklyn, Houston, Dallas and Austin now bone on Twitter at bone Yang and Matt at Mat Rogers, though, that's a t h good ones produce my contact with production assistance from just men, Molly just. View in the show and apple podcasts. Five stars. And, hey, if you know anyone who might like the podcast, maybe tell them what you can eat money. Comments questions or lacking around suggestions to good one podcast gmaiLcom? I'm Jesse Dave. Fox follow me at Jesse David bucks. And have a good one. That was a hit gum podcast.

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Sebastian Maniscalco's Doorbell

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

55:24 min | 1 year ago

Sebastian Maniscalco's Doorbell

"This is a head gum podcast. Good one is sponsored by the other two premiering Thursday at ten thirty nine thirty central after the season premiere of broad city on comedy central. And. Hello. I am vulture senior editor Jesse Dave FOX and welcome to good one the podcast about jokes. And do we have a joke? This week our guest is Sebastian Maniscalco, a stand up that feels under the radar despite fact that he's huge. He's like a giant they comedian and the joke we talked about is doorbell easily one of the most well known for the past decade highlight anyone with special new special stay hungry coming out. Netflix we discussed the bit that put him on the map and that he was doing once again in his act for the first time since film it for two thousand twelve special. What's wrong with people see when we sat down the talk specimens getting ready for a weekend of shows at Madison Square Garden told us, and he was planning on bring out some of the classics. Celebrate the occasion, I feel like I say this a lot, but you really suggest you watch this bit. And not just listen to it. So this is maybe the most physical comedian alive with act out. So thoroughly ingrained into his writing his movements are deliberate specific, and so so funny, it's worth watching the clip just to see how a pantomime to opening the door. It's just perfection. So here is Sebastian Maniscalco indoor belt. In my house couple of weeks ago. Just relax. My doorbell rang. This is weird. So different feeling when your doorbell rings today opposed to twenty years ago, twenty years ago, your doorbell rang that was a happy moment in your house. It's called company. Be sitting there on Thursday night. Watching TV your doorbell rang. The whole family shot off the couch. Somebody. We've got. The whole family went to the door. The kids were inside. They slid up the door. Nobody looked to see who it was just opened up the door. You're like, oh my God. Look at. And you ask them what the hell are you doing and the person like I was in the neighbor. Thought might stop by Seattle kids. Don't Aw, come on. We're going to have some k. You mother had a little anthem 'Es Ressam, Sara Lee, crumble, Kate. Just in case company came. She made an announcement when she bought it. She's like, listen, nobody touched his cake. This is company only those Krant muffins, those of you. But our hope to God somebody comes over. So we could cut the cake. Put her cake in the middle of the table, proud of it. And she put right in the middle cut yourself slice Cup of coffee women to watt. Some secca. That's old school. A lot of the young kids. Looking at me. Like, what does that an iphone? The hell is. Mother had a ten round orch ten sank ready to go. Just in case the company, she put a big part on the table. Go ahead. Nobody had a cell phone back. Then if you're if you're if you're if your house phone did ring father stood up said, nobody gets on. Company. And you lost track of time. Two hours went by like, we gotta get outta here. That's okay. Next time. We're going to come by. My door's always. So. Now your doorbell rings. What the fuck? Your mother's crawling across the kitchen floor. Recall recall, getting the classic. Don't get the sword in the living. Somebody get the sword underneath the couch in the living. There's a sort. Right. You have to turn an answer your family. You invite anybody over you invite anybody over? There's always that person upstairs then here. Realm. They come walking down. What the hell is going on somebody's outside? The door. I think they saw movement. Oh god. I got to open it. I got no cake that. Pretty speed. Can't stop by anybody's house anymore. If you do you have to call from the driveway. You're like I'm here. Can I approach? It's me and three other people were going to walk up through the site section. Mother was a sword. I am here with the comedian behind the joke. You just heard Sebastian Maniscalco. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for heaven. So I wanna talk about even before a joke is written about sort of how you sort of go about observing your life. You know, I was thinking about in your new special. You you have a joke about being at the gym. And then your wife was like she's like, why do you look at everybody. Just do you. Why do you look at the whole gym I go, it's that's what makes me happy. I liked to be bothered. Are you going through your life looking for material in that way? Like, are you sort of always on your with your eyes out, and sort of what is the feeling that you're looking for that? You're like, oh, there's there might be something here. So I generally go off the feeling I'm having while the quote unquote act is going on for example, I'll be at an airport, and I'll see my gate, and there's a lot of people at the gate. I normally go down to two or three other gates were nobody is an I sit down no matter. How far I go. There's always somebody that sits right next to me. Now, I feel I don't know like if you would feel or you would feel at all annoyed by that. But I I actually get upset that this person decided to sit near me when they're sixty eight other. Chairs available. So those moments I go. Oh, okay. I think there's a nugget here. Explore. And that's that's an addition to that that little chunk is an addition to the bit. That's in the the new special with the treadmill where the treadmill becomes like the airport where I have eight empty treadmills. And I kinda right next to me. So I get annoyed at those things. I don't know if anybody else does. But I feel when those moments are happening and how I'm feeling I tend to retell the story. There's a lot of talking I do during the day to people not a lot of people to specific people. I have a buddy back home in Chicago that we share stories. He'll call me up. And goes, listen, it is and then he'll tell me a story. I think that's listen, it is so we'll share stories back and forth back and forth. My mom is a good barometer. For what I do on stage. If my got my mom laughing at your story. It's not like I'm telling you to story. So I could put it on stage. It's just like if you would call your body or your wife or whoever and say, I just went to the four seasons on down. And we set up a podcast and the medal of banquet, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I tend to flush out my stories with my close, friends and family, and then I present those stories on stage, and I record them. And then I listened back. And then I go back the next night. And maybe just something that I've thought maybe I'll leave that out pop this. And so it's not a writing of the material. Yeah. It's more of a trial and air on stage. But the inception of the stuff happens with me just telling a story to family building. You're like, oh, they responded to there's something there. Then you keep going you you you're basically keep on. If you feel like you have an observation then you're like, I think this is universal. You'll figure that out by one person at a time then slowly one hundred people then now you'll be like twenty thousand people like yes, we agree that up surveys. Sometimes I tell so many people the same story that I forget that I've told them the story. So my buddy George logo, you told me that already. So that's how many times I'm telling the same story over and over and over again. And I don't know if that's normal. I don't know if people call for five different people until like I get annoyed when I was out to dinner about I don't know six seven years ago. My wife had a we had a dinner we invited some people out to a restaurant and the Bill came, and I went to go pick up the Bill and the guy I know didn't wanna pay just by his behavior. But he was like, oh, oh, you sure. And I'm like, I was sure until that half ass the, you know attempt. Yeah. I get my material of life, and I don't sit in a room and with a blank piece of paper and go. And it's not lie in an interview few years back. You were talking about your on your look, it's not groundbreaking stuff. You're being humble. But I think you're trying to say it's like, ultimately it simple every day premises that allow you to really play on top of that. Do you feel like that is what do you like about sort of like a more universal operation than trying to find something really clever to sort of hanging on? I'm not about clever a more like, you're right. I think those the Marc Maron show Rogan interview. I did that said the it's not groundbreaking. And and that's a great way of kind of explaining that statement, simple everyday stuff. You don't gotta look too far from terrible. It's always right in front of you. And that's what I'm just reporting the news. What do you like about it? Or what do you think it works for you works for me because I think it resonates with everybody. You don't have to be a specific in it. You know, like some people talk about smoking pot right now. Now if you don't smoke pot. You might not get the joke because you don't know what it's like to be on pot. I like to do jokes that everybody could relate to regardless of your smoke of five drinking beer. What have you everybody is living their day to day life, and the observations that I might make at Starbucks Chapultepec? I believe that a lot of people have been through on Carolina thought. So let's talk about the doorbell joke where did that start? And then what is the process was in the process? We're like, oh, this might be worth looking into. We remember where that came from. It was a at my kitchen table in Chicago when I was around twenty three years old. My family was talking about. The doorbell had just rang and it was a family member. And we were talking about the doorbell and the differences how it is today and how it was twenty years ago. And we were just talking as a family member twenty years ago, you decide to go to now everybody, don't, you know, you murder could be on the other side at Dr. So then when I started doing stand up comedy f- even forgot like that we had that conversation. I think my sister somebody in my family had reminded me time we were talking about the door. And then I and I revisited at and then just kind of took what we were talking about at the table to the stage. And then the second prong is the act outs on that. So you know, you could tala Joe just like the doorbell joke and not do any of the sh or the Dow, you know, like, I tend to tell people to get down. On one knee. I kind of paint a picture of what's going on. And that adds to what I'm saying. So I've noticed over time that if you not only exp- tell the joke, but actually acted out that people really really enjoy the physicality of it, and as well as the the explanation of it, I wanna talk about act out because you there's no one doing it, really. Like, you really is your leading charge of both the amount and sort of your style of doing it. So I really would like to focus on a little bit more. I heard read injury you're saying that the first time you didn't act out your own doing act out. You had a joke about Ralph stress for less, and you magic customer and how they put back the clothing. What was it about doing that act out at that stage career where you're like, there's something here that you're like, this is the thing that I want to start doing more. I think it was the unexpectedness of the act out that. Really kind of got people laughing. So I've noticed upon looking at me, you don't think that I'm going to be physical or expressive onstage. I kind of have like a serious about me what I notice is when I start acting kinda goofy and doing these goofy movements coming from a guy like myself, you would not expect to be a goofball doing these movements. So when I look at the thing, and I Chuck it across it's unexpected. He don't think I'm going to do it. And it's such a big movement that it really kinda worked like, wow, really really got a great great response. I wonder where I could kind of sprinkle physical movement into the act, but it not be so kind of sticky, you know, 'cause if you run a is a fine line on like acting everything out. It's like, okay. What are you gonna? How much stuff you're going to do if I find if you sprinkle it and spots where you know, it's not so frequent and it's like, oh, wow. We saw that. So that act out even like looking for stuff on the floor at Ross, you know, like just throwing stuff bending down. What not I'm just noticing in the audience that people really gravitating towards it. So I made a conscious effort to not only tell the joke, but sprinkle it with physicality, which I think people, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm not, you know, it's been done before physicality in comedy and expressive nece. But I don't know if I've taken it to a different place. It seems like especially when people know something might become that you build attention to like what you'd act out everything he said, like, you know, you you'll do upping the door, and you do this this character might be really invited person. But this person might be smaller is are those. Decisions just based on what the audience is that also part of the same thing when you say, you're testing out trial and error, or is it more in the moment. Like well. We'll become repetitive. As you've realized what is sort of working. So I'll do it in the moment of explaining the story. It's not like I'm gonna go. Okay. Chuck, the close here just something that I did not go that worked and. Yeah, it's more of a trial and error in telling the story, you kind of find those moments where physicality is needed. And then you really really embellish on it. So yeah, I I I like it for me. It's it keeps the act fresh 'cause you know, you it's different every night you like to make it the same movement every night because then it becomes very consistent. And you know, that type of laughter you're going to get. It's just the range of of movement is all determined in the practicing in in this jokes that there's there's two types of. There's sort of one where like you are telling in. But then you you'll sort of inhabit a character when you do something like you're being used the mother or the father in your mind. Are you picturing a person or you like do are you trying to really be the character? Like, what is the line that you're walking where you're trying to both like act like your person seen while also being you telling the store envisioning what I'm doing the doorbell. But and I'm serving the cake, I'm in visiting my family at a table and actually visiting me putting down and tunes cake and then walking Cup of coffee, and and just motioning to whatever the coffee machine. So it's actually I have this visual in my head. I actually have the door the doorbell, but I'm taking myself back to the house. I grew up in and I actually envisioning sliding door. I know what the door looks like I know what little. People looks like I I noticed that that the pantomime ING, which I learned at second city to be very specific. If you're going to open up a door to make sure our window to make sure like your hands are are here. They're not, you know, like you want to make sure and so people could see the door open or the win the open and the and the window close or the sliding door. This one has the way you open the door is a big huge laugh because you open it so one you've like you feel the weight of this door, and it's like he's really throwing it open. Yeah. It's like it's like well. Welcome to the house. I mean, if you just did it like this. You wouldn't get the reaction like just opened though. I, but when you when you throw your hand open, it's up party, get the Keiko. Yeah. I mean, I it's it's all kind of calculated prior to it really kind of being part of the act, and it's. It's worked out at the comedy store, mainly because that's the place. I feel most comfortable doing new material is the comedy star the way you open the doors version of it. And or how you the kids jump out of the couch. It's hard to describe. But there is a certain way, you'll do this when you doing more discreet act out, and we're not doing like a full persona. He'll do like it's like a like a burst sort of do. You have a sense of like, I think I remember like when preparing like, oh, he realizes Michael Jackson. They're sort of like very like jolt in which he'll do do, you know what I'm talking about? So it's a very pronounced movement. I I like to Michael Jackson's kick where he just popped up and gave a kick. And then it's like, oh, but there's also moments where you go the opposite way. And and you whispered to the audience, and I feel like whispering or mouthing something can almost feel the audience. Come to you. So I like to do it in a variety of different ways. It's very explosive. But then there's a smaller movements. It's like my father going. Let's get out of here and just just moving your fingers like slightly. You know that he means business. So yeah, it's it's conveying your emotions through physicality, which I find people are are reading the the reading my body language has it changed much since the mount you decide to use it. I feel like, you know, at has it evolved since this was two thousand twelve or so two thousand year doing this joke. I mean that's a while ago. And can means get better have you refined? Do you feel like how you use physical nece in your at? It's funny. I went back, and I did the doorbell bit last week. I haven't done the doorbell bit on stage in probably seven years, and like, I wonder. If I could Rian recreate what I did on the special now that's been seven years. So I watched it on YouTube, and I looked at the moments, and then when I did it I didn't feel like it had the impact number one people have seen the number two. I didn't feel like I gave Justice. I felt like that was something wrong. And it could be a could be the slightest of things that could throw off a joke. You could stumble over one word, and and then the joke doesn't hit or you could miss a movement or you like why didn't that work you go? Oh. I started with my right foot. I should've went when my laughed. I mean, there's just a lot of variables that go into it. I mean, you might not know as an audience member what's going on. But as a performer, you kind of done it so much, you know, it's like a dance routine, and I'm dancing what the audience so of if I'm off their off. So that's how I kind of like in it. You said an interview some sometimes it's for us less about specific joke in a classic sense as much as the face you make or sort of how you are responding to it. What are you feel like your ultimate saying that the the comedy is you they are you and sort of their living almost like through your brain to view the world sort of if that makes sense. What is it about you that you're trying to convey, what do you think about you is funny to these people? I think it's the point of view of how I see the world and. You know, I I see the world a lot of times through a just a disdain for human behavior number one. And then I also see the world in a family sense of in. Oh, it's a lot of what I do a lot of my act is a lot of differences might wife comes from wealth. I come from middle class. And now we come together there's a lot of differences there. Also, I find what works is in the Stahl jer. This is how it used to be. Then this is how it is now and people get a kick out of in the new special. I I do like the fighting was different in the eighties than it is today because of mixed martial arts back in the eighties. Got a black guy. Now, you could possibly be in a wheelchair eight and through a straw. If you get five with the wrong guy. So I find that the nostalgia people people. Really relate to in covers a broad audience too. So that doorbell bid an eighty year old grandmother could relate to as well as an eight year old granddaughter and everybody in between. It's kind of multi generational. You're hitting a lot of different people in one joke, which you know, I did it today. It's funny with kids for kids day, and they're like eight nine years old. And I said Bano like, I know something about Bon on them. Bano like like, he's sometimes you just your jokes might be flying over people's just because of of the age gap, which you know, is nice nice to not you just think everybody those bottle impair not I think it's as you're saying there's when you're doing universal observations of people have families people like go to eat it allows you to reach those different demographics. And that's right. If you say that banned, these kids won't know that and that's the problem with people that are trying to be super current is in ten years that joke is going to be like, I don't know person. But this doorbell bit for the most part still called up because people still don't like doorbells, but still twenty years ago, they might have had a childhood, you know, did you think that's what your company was going to be that you're going to be like doing like massad? I can't imagine it when you're starting. I'm going to talk about Joe, no, it's again, it's one of these things, you don't even know, you don't even know about comma. You don't know anything about it? When you get up on stage. You just think you have funny thoughts, and your you think people want to hear them. So. You know, when I first started out with super angry super like not likeable. I wasn't laughing at myself. I was like really really pissed off. And you begin to know really quickly that this is not working, but it's a mask almost until you start feeling really really comfortable on stage, and then you could start showing your true colors. So sometimes it takes a while takes eight nine ten years to get a point of you to figure out who you are on stage. And that's why a lot of comedians typically hit when they're a little older. You don't want to see a lot of comedians in their early twenties that yeah that because they don't really have a lot to draw from. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. There's a lot of talented comedian. I mean, look at any Murphy was nineteen or twenty years old when he did raw I think are delirious delirious. So yeah, I mean there's talents like that. But those are few and far between was it something that you feel like the audience told you. Was what they wanted from you. Or did he like it was a back and forth back and forth. I learned from the audience, I also learned from myself with with you know, the trial and error doing different audiences. Not limiting myself to a specific comedy club beyond doing different shows going to the Middle East to do shows found out how different culture relates to comedy went to Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt and east start to begin to no matter where you're you're from a lot of people have the same shared experiences. So, yeah, it's it's doing everything it's doing African American rooms which typically are are for a white comedian, you know, right away, the African American audience make me laugh, and they're they're very honest about how they feel about you. So it's a challenge. And I love the challenge, and I really really well. Just because I don't I don't pander to the audience. It's like this is my this is my jokes wherever you're from. You're going to relate to them. Do the job change much too. Many major changes that happened in the process. No, you have some bits kinda right themselves. And that one was really kinda easy. 'cause I followed pretty much the conversation. We had as a family about the doorbell. I might favorite part is three and a half minutes. And you then go but nowadays, and then like the audience forget that the whole point of the bit was that you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Something just realized that there's that this apprise like, oh, yeah. I forgot that. I think you say specifically what he say. Oh now now in your doorbell rings. It's then snaps them back into the current. Yeah. So they kind of get lost in the nostalgia of it. All and then all of a sudden boom the snap back in. And like, oh my God. Now, we know how we feel. And now they're ready for me to explain the nuances of the doorbell and people scrambling and Heidi and closets and whatnot. Although I might have to update the bit. Because now with this thing called ring, you could actually see who's at the door. You could be in the Bahamas and a look the mail man's that, you know, there's no more guessing, it's like, you know, who's who's at your door. You know, who's in your house nowadays with all the technology. So I might have to like upgrade the. But it's interesting because it was a I feel like a really breakthrough joke for you. But it it's because no you don't you don't go. Like, my mom was like this, my mom. My dad was like that. What you would do a lot more. Comedy went on. It was like your it felt like you're like dipping your toe in doing a little bit more storytelling a little bit more telling story about your family. Did it feel like that? When you're doing. It did feel like it was a gateway to do that type of stuff not necessarily that joke the joke. I felt like I wou could really open up with my personal life in my family was when I started talking about like talion, weddings gonna plan the wedding not come from an Italian family talion 's do it a lot different than most people when it comes to weddings. Okay. Don't register. At bench bath in. You don't bring the toaster tool wedding. Brain cash. Okay. We put it in an envelope. Sometimes it's not even a car. There's just. Fish posted. No. Grants, and I was really really kind of reluctant to put that on the special because I'm like, you know, on if you haven't been the talian why there's no raff Ren's point. But then a lot of people started to resonate with that. And then I started to tell myself. Wow. Let me let me start talking about my family now. And because up to that point. It was like went to subway today. Anybody been that this it'd be like right after that where I go. It's been all like survey tional, you know. But then as soon as I started talking about I am this way because I grew up this way, and then that kind of opened up the floodgates, but that the doorbell, but. You know, I it was one of those things where it went viral got a lot of heat on on Facebook lot of people shared it. And I didn't think at the time that it was going to be what it is. Now back with more Sebastian Maniscalco after this word from our sponsor. From head writers of SNL. Chris kelly. Sarah Schneider comes new comedy central series. The other two sorry. 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Like, this is how you're supposed to treat people you're supposed to you know, like, you should have a cake ready for them you, and, but then there's also what's wrong with people half of you does does does that resonate to you? Do you feel like ultimately, this is sort of the Yang Yang of what you do on stage? No, it's not a conscious thing where I'm going and talk about the style jer and talk about it's it's it's whatever's making me feel what's working is. No like percentage to certain parts of my acts, whatever's is funny. I feel like it's so hard to come up with material. Yeah. It's it's it's like when you have a gem of of of of a bit, you don't you have to you have to tell it you're saying when you start out you're you're very angry comedian in. But though a lot of your comedy. Hypothetically, skew negatively do feel like you're comedies. Ultimately, a positive or negative thing or like the tone of it? I would like to think it's a more of a displeased. Like, how could this be happening? And I feel like the audiences with me on I feel like sometime on fish out of water. And I'm looking around going is it me more do other people feel this way? So it's made to be it comes from a place of of judgement. But it it's not in a way that it's malicious or or, you know, you know, I'm making fun of me making fun of my family. I think everybody it's just the way I grew up. You got ripped to shreds, and nobody was angry about it. You know, if you came out with a weird shirt for guys go, what are you going and no-one no-one took it as? I know I it. It's just you know, that's the way talk to. Yeah. And then I kinda just translated that to the stage. It's just like, and you, you know, you could look at it the other way going, well, you know, maybe that's just the way people do things maybe they sit by people in the airport and the, but it's more like, I'm I'm kind of pointing out the absurdities of life, and it's coming from a good place. Also automatically though, there might be naked to this person. You are the everyone in the audience like you're on their side. Yeah. It's like three thousand people are the building. We're not the problem. It's the people soon as you step outside those are the people so we are currently in a four seasons right now. And you for your first years when you're starting out you worked at a as a waiter to four seasons when you do show. How do you try to provide good cuss? Immerse? I like the people to come to the show and kind of be transported into my into my world. So first and foremost, I have to be on my game. I have to deliver comedy for an hour and twenty minutes. That's what people are there for that's people paid to see I like to give them some visual effect. What I've done is. I've taken screens LED screens and put them within the percentage of the stage. So people could see the act outs. And then the expressions and all that. And it's kinda Don in a way, where it's it's slick, you know, even the way I come out on stage. It's like a white backdrop a alight. And I appear in the light. It's just kind of making it more of a show than just going. It's up guys. I like kind of the. Kind of the Michael Jackson of it. All just to kind of. Yeah. The Trix, you know on the show at the medicine Square Garden. There's your Kreil involved, and there's a little bit more excitement in the air opposed to just walking out onto the stage and making people laugh, so that's the way I kinda provide my way of hospitality. Because I feel like you when I was doing the clubs. I would stay you know, until everybody laugh that will take photos would sign DVD's talk to people. And you know, it was something that I felt like, hey, if you're going to spend the night with me, I wanna thank you for coming out. I wanna thank you for paying for parking tickets the to drink minimum all that stuff. And now, obviously, I can't do it just because of the size of the hottest be there for three weeks. Thanks common. But yeah, I feel like, you know, if you're coming to show, you're stepping into my house, and my version of coffee and cake is the comedy have you liked having to figure out how to translate that. Do you like the like, okay, what are this greens? Do you like have you like? That process. I think some comedians. I'm just tell jokes. I don't want to. But have you liked the how do we elevate it? Yeah. I think it's very important. Even the new special that I got out and that flicks, you know, the design of that kind of oval grid overmanned the lights, and the stage kind of having those white line's lit up and me coming from the the, you know, rising up like that with like little smoke. Yeah. You know? I do I do enjoy the production side of show business. It's show business. And you gotta give these people that show. So yeah, I'm heavily involved. But my wife is the one that kind of spearheads all that she is the kind of the creative brain behind all that aesthetics. So speaking of your wife, so I was thinking your dad worked at craft his whole life. He was a hairstyle and your wife is a an abstract painter. She does big explosions of colors, these big campuses. When you think about what you do. Do you feel like it's closer to what your dad did or closer to what your wife does? That's good. Good one. Well, I think you know, my wife is creating something out of nothing. I kind of 'em to my father has he's creating something, but he has something to kind of mold in front of him painting. You get a blank canvas comedy ever playing piece of paper. I think they're all very similar in the fact that they're in the creative feel obviously, but I would have to I would have to go to towards my wife when it comes to the creativity of at all like, she'll do a painting. And and I always wonder is is it done. Like, how do you know when it's done, you know, and it's a feeling the joke is done. Could I ask more to it? Or if I had more we going kind kinda lose the excitement of the joke. Can I add to that doorbell, but another one or two lines and make it as good as if it's currently stands who knows? But. Yeah. I'd have to say my wife. So I grew up in Long Island, which has a lot of Italian Americans there. So I I became familiar with you from almost everyone went high school with sharing Facebook videos of one bit or another obviously at this. You're you're you're famous has grown well beyond that. But obviously to to a certain group of people you're very important comedian even above. So you represent them a lot of ways. How does it feel to be braced by these people so much? Yeah. It makes me feel great. When they come out to say, you know, he make time Americans proud, you know, really love what you do. And wish you all the success, and they feel like they're kind of a part of the success because they've been there from when I first started doing Gotham comedy club. When I first started coming to New York City, they kind of been there every step of the way. And then we wanted to begin we went to the Radio City. Now, we're going the massive Square Garden and they've been along the whole journey so to the specific Italian Americans. You know, I feel like yeah. It's nice to be kind of the the spokesman for them. And yeah, they've been very very supportive. So we've talked about your playing Madison Square Garden if you days by the time this comes out, you'll have already played it. What you know, your special also comes out? I believe today. But what material will you be doing? So it's it's old and new that question a lot is at the same the same thing we seen. You know? Listen, I'm always writing new material shot the special in may, it's now January. Yes, there's going to be new stuff in in the in the act, but I'm not a type of comedian that like does the Netflix special and the new never see the material again, I'm always adding to the material. Sometimes, you know, I as long as I'm having fun saying it, I think the audiences enjoy. Wing it just as much will they go. We saw that on the special the ass. Some of the folks you're going to see on the special. It's just the way it is. But some of the jokes are brand new and hot off the press. And who you know, it's like run into this all the time people go out the door, but he didn't do the dorm. But and then I'm like, well, I did. And then some people go if I do the door seeing that now so you try and give them, you know, a good kind of marriage of old new, and and the greatest hits do you think he'll do doorbell doing Ortho? Definitely definitely the one where you work it out before. I've done. I've done the doorbell bid. Don, I think I might do. The bow and arrow, but my body with the bone arrow. It's got this thing in the house. I got this in a house for. Kidding? For home, invasion. Home invasion. Could you imagine the poor past? That breaks in the my body's. That's a burglar you can't even prepare for something. I've interviewed a few comedians before after they played Madison Square Garden and for most comedians the conversations around like, well, how do you make yourself big enough to fit a big stage. That's like everyone's like, you know, a lot of comedians like it's just me in a store in whatever for you. That is obviously not the the question, you're always a fish bigger than the maybe a small bowl in your bulk getting bigger, and it makes sense. But still it is a bigger stage. Have you thought about how you differently? How do you think you'll your performance might change? Now that it like will be fitting the space that it's sort of make sense for. So I've done I think six or seven arenas prior to this building up to this moment. So those kind of shows actually they were practice shows. But it made me very familiar of how to work around stage and keep moving, and it'd be surprised how many people are in very very close proximity to the stage, but the looking at the screen, I mean, they got v six row. Oh, I'm right there. And I'm looking right now, and I'm looking at an Adams. Yeah. So, you know, the the screen for whatever the reason we it's all we do is look at screens. So yes, I have kind of. Created an act in the round that I kind of know where I'm gonna be what I'm doing certain bits. You know, sometimes I'll have to look for different ways. But the way I'm doing it is kind of within the bit. So it's not like, hey. It's it's kind of it's kind of it kind of works within the bet. So it's a challenge. But I feel like doing it in the round is very very intimate for me as a performer, especially having the the screen above me and almost like having a ceiling, and it makes it for for more of an intimate performance for me. What do you want from it sort of personally artistically like what do you wanna feel when you hit the stage? And what would you like to feel when you're done when I first get on stage. I would like to feel the excitement that this is like Madison Square Garden and people are really excited to be there. And I could feel that as soon as I walk onstage. Somebody answers you go out, and you're like people want to be here. It's just the way. I'm I'm maybe I don't know. But when I go out there, I want the same response as when I come on stage as as why leave on stage, I want that excitement to to build throughout the show. I want people. Title. I get like comments. I can't wait to come. See you again because every show is one of these things where you're it's like a commercial for your next show. So you're only those last performance I want people to come back and bring a bunch of different people that might not know who I am. So when I'm looking out at the garden is of some really really fantastic shows. I've take my job very seriously. I, you know, I don't want to let anybody down. I wanna make people. Enjoy the experience, and I operate out of a place of fear rather than positively. There are some comedians play football stadiums. And I'm not saying you won't play football stadium. And I can imagine it. So, but you know, it feels. Like, a not a conclusion, but like you've reached some sort of summit, I guess as you're right there on it. How do you feel about that fact that you're like, oh like ten when you're doing this bit seven years ago that was not going to be playing madsen's wear garden seven years, and I wanna know sane person would justifiably have at five year plant. I don't know. I don't know where you go. If you're on the top of mountain fall off. I don't know. What happens you played a Vatican? What do you do that? I don't know where where I go from here. It's not like I'm looking to top this. You know like in time. I come the New York if I play whatever theater. That's that's fine. By me. I guess it's nice to be at a place. Like, I'm now not looking to top one. I'm doing. Yeah. I yeah. I mean, I never I never when I did Radio City, I go. Wow. That's we did five Radio City musicals any too shabby. You know, I never planned on doing for Madison Square gardens. And it's not for me. It's really not the important like the number amount of shows that I'm doing what not to me. It's more like just more about my act. Don't get me wrong. I'm flattered eighty thousand people come this week. That's crazy. But but yeah, it's it's it's a little bit overwhelming interviews you've talked about how getting comedy was parlaying extension for being from funny, family and. And so so many ways as you made a career of it. You are sort of a representation of being from a funny family. How do you feel like you've represented your family in that way? As being you are like, we mascot funny here. I improve of it. It's like my father thinks is a bit of a comedian just because of his job, and he feels like he's performing for one person every hour that they, you know, they sit in the chair, so yeah, no, I feel like I'm representing my family kind of exactly how they are. There's very small. There's might be my mother, my father, and my my sister. And every time we get together. It's it's a pretty good time. So yeah, I I'm the one that kind of unlike the spokesman of comedy for the mascot family. They're coming this weekend. Yeah. My sister. Yeah. They all arrive on Thursday and got my friends from Chicago coming out. I got. Got my cousin coming out. So yeah, there's a lot of people might my nieces who my sister has three kids. My sister. Just call. I think they should see the guard. I think they should come down on these take some pictures because you know, they're they're they're whatever eight and and five years old. I bring him down, you know, sticking to bring my daughter on stage at the end of the show and taking a photo with the height daughter. And my my wife I've done that once in Toronto, it was really kind of cute. I mean to to have a family followed all state while you laugh. If you're gonna do that. No. I think it's very cute. Yeah. I just I don't know like this is all about family and sharing moments like this with my family just to have a pitcher masking squared together with my wife, and my kids, and my my new more baby to be would be would be nice. It's always so abrupt so. That's how it's time for final segment it's called a laughing around. It's like a lightning round. But because it's comedy telephony. I've heard an interview. So you don't like to eat before show. So what do you like to eat after show? You know, I was eating for awhile red meat, and you know, potatoes and vegetables, but it got to my waistline, really really fast. So now, I cut off eating around five o'clock, and I don't eat the rest of the night. Well, I what I have their interring. I have fruit have strawberries, raspberries, and blueberries like a squirrel if you could steal another comedians joke in a way in which it's no one. No, it's always it's not even like it was ever there joke. It's essentially a joke. Now, the comedian has and it was it's been your joke. It's always been your joke. It's another dimension. Where a joke that comedian that you like is now your joke some Brian Regan. Does a joke about spelling that spelling the the science fair? And it's about him. Like, I don't know the joke for Begum, but the the concept of like he he he brought like dart or whatever to to the science fair. And he does this whole thing on the science fair and just the whole the whole science first thing really relates to me because in my science fair. I did pop corn what pops better microwave popcorn or an air pop. And this was a last minute science project. I didn't have the type of family that helped me with the project. So I went in with like, what do we do in like just do something with food, and I'm showing up to school with air Popper? And a lot of people thought that my science project was. Part of the catering for the size. Come by get a bag. I wait a minute. That's my test the sample. So preparing for this. I found a couple articles about your house and the design of your house. And I it's incredible. I like it is really really interesting, and this is an audio medium. But I used to just anyone looks pictures of your house. Do you have? So to describe it's a in. What is called a Memphis style. There's lots of big colors. Do you have a favorite sort of piece of furniture of the sort of more exaggerates, dining room table? I really like striped, and the the the the bottom of it is a sphere and a triangle. Yeah, it's the house is primarily a. The concept is from the designer Kelly worse lawyer along with my wife who is super creative. I mean, I I didn't really have a lot of say, but you'll allow them. All right. If you wanna do that. That's great. And then moved his fabulous. There's no way. I could have come up with the ideas. Yeah. I really do suggest people look up this house. Have you ever injured yourself onstage? You're moving around so much. I did Detroit two years ago. I snap my calf. I was doing. I was leaving the stage. I say goodbye. And the way I landed on my calf I collapsed off the stage not off the stage. But like on the side of the stage. Nobody knew and I got rushed to the hospital and I had to spend. Some time on some some crutches. But yeah, that was the only time I ripped my pants if you times on stage in my crotch area. But other than that. I'm all right. Do you have a joke or thing that you tried on stage that you thought was so funny? I always think it's funny. I kept on trying but on each has never responded that you you'll go to be funny. But at this point the young funerals right now, and it's not working. I'm doing thing. And I don't know I have to get used to work. But the way I'm doing it now is not working where I go up to a casket at awake. And I kneel down, and I say, I gotta thing. I do I I don't pray. I don't do anything. I just ask myself. How long do I gotta sit up here. And wait till I go back to my seat. And for whatever the reason death right now in my act or some there's some death topics. I'm covering Angolan. Well. People don't wanna think of a wake while comedy show. That's it. Thank you sound effect. Out. We can play miss you play it again. No. So. That's it for this week's episode the Basha Maniscalco St. Hungary on Netflix you wash his other specials on Amazon or wherever you street. The bashing on Twitter asks the Bashan comedy. Mike com. Justin de right did our team so bread review and rate the show and apple podcasts stars leave. And hey, if you know anyone who might like the podcast, maybe tell them what the head you can Email any comments questions or lasting around. Suggestions to good one podcast at Mel dot com. I'm Jesse Dave FOX, and you can follow me hatches. We're back next week with new episode and a new job have a good one. That was a hit podcast.

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Julie Klausner's Roast Beef Sandwich

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Julie Klausner's Roast Beef Sandwich

"This is a head gum podcast. Good one is presented by the other two premiering on comedy central on January twenty fourth. Avenues. Hi, it's me, Fulton senior editor Jesse Dave FOX, the hope that good one the podcast. You're listening to right now a pocket, which is in fact about the writing of jokes. Good jokes, and our guest this week is one of the great living jokes men. Julie class. I've not really for nearly a decade now when she was writing must recaps were Voltaire regards to be watched the show or not and starting seminal podcast. How was your week then in two thousand fifteen she created her layers who sitcom difficult people in for three seasons. She put out some of the absolute best jokes on television. Talk about is from difficult people, and it's easily one of the most unexpected random jokes. Someone has picked to talk about on the show since least maybe Neal Brennan and the first season, you don't need to know too much to get it some context and kiss. You haven't seen this episode or the show in general, Julie Klausner, Billy Eichner as two best friends living in New York City trying to make in the entertainment industry in which they hate. Everybody. But each other it's episode Billy. It's cast the star on a dumb kid show. He only agrees because he believes his face will be covered as he doesn't want to be embarrassed as he joined the ten temps the name for a group of super hot gay guys law sex with each other in the scene. Billy learns from the director played insanely by Austin Pendleton that you can totally see facing the whole of the customs head the other person you'll hear in this scene. The craft services guy played perfectly by David Neil Levin. It might be useful to know at this time in the story Julius sick swiping hired to walk the runway in a Christian Syria. No show this up soda. Good was recorded live at you didn't hall as part of the Brooklyn podcast festival. He was a very nice time. And I think everyone who came out Julie really does love jokes. So here's the difficult. People seen Julie PEC. It really is something. Where's the rest of it? There's a giant hole for my face. You can totally see me. This is it Jenny McCarthy and have one hundred foundation weighed in yesterday. Apparently, it's important for ages zero to to see the face of the character they are interacting with. So that they can learn to read facial expressions. No way, I'm showing my face on this show. I said it since the beginning. It's literally my one condition your think you to go for this, you what are your cool fridges is going to see you hopping around like a big baby pizza, and they're going to say Billy is not cool. Yes. That is exactly what I'm afraid. You are the one who. You are the one who gives pitching about health insurance. Do you this gig or not? Okay. Okay. Have a tough day out there. Yeah. Well, let's kiddo. No. Thank you. I just I this is the first time my life. I'm one of the cool guys. Now, I'm going to be what a guy with a bad shoulder. No health insurance. Shuli was here. She told me what to do. Tooley ha. Does. Julia big pussy. Because I like it when the roast beef goes past the bread Julie class. Hello. Yeah. That was a joke. I wanted that a yeah. I like it when the roast beef goes past. I really proud of that. Joe, I I I'm like in favor of ridiculing like female genitalia short sake of equality, like I just had so many experiences growing up where you see character get kicked in the balls. And I mean like you have to oh, let's go to hurt. But like, I don't know. So I just think it's important that like, you know, that we reference naked women as something beyond objects of sexual desire. So you know, whatever I could be like gross with vaginas. I would be and and I'm just I'm just really proud of that because it's so dirty. So dirty. And I remember watching every audition that guy was great so many. There were so many guys that were good. I want him to be like that. I wish I knew the actress name I was trying to Google, but we can't get out on here. But the guy from overboard with the small mustache from Chicago. I'm swear to God, you know, who I mean? But I was just looking for like someone with that kind of deadpan like I don't think has any other lines in that episode of there's a callback. Hello, billy. I went to check on Julian she wasn't there. Can handle it? No. You can't give it to me. Julie's gone. It's Arthur's fault. Okay. I bet you into the show. I know where it is. I mean, you there. Hey, baby. Boom. You going you? Probably going to meet his friend thinks she's got a big snatch. Huge. That's. His story. Before we get to this sort of special moment, I think we should sort of stablishment how a scene episode like fister. Sort of generally is written since you have a different process in a lot of sitcoms, you have a room, but you and Scott King the show runner would sort of write the script separately. So for an episode this break in the room, and Scott, I were sort of like, you know, the pilots, and and people who were in the room, incredibly valuable cluding, a coal Scola was on the show and was also a staff writer, and he was such an incredible addition to the to the room while as Tom sharp, laying Halsted Sullivan and other people on legion let but but then when it came time to write the script for the majority I would go off in right draft. So for something like this. How far how much of this scene? Would you have broken? Well, this was a really tough episode. 'cause I remember we had we knew that we wanted Billy to do something humiliating, and we had to figure out why and it was like health insurance. And then how does that connect to my story? And ultimately, we figured out that like I fix his shoulder because he like helps me up from the ground, and then that he doesn't need health insurance anymore. And then the ten tens was a thing. I guess it's a real thing that like the ten hot guys, and they're all tens of ever, and they would hang out of fashion parties, you learn a lot. And so and that was like a motivation to have that the thing where he, you know, wants to be in that group in that coincided with him like having opportunity to play like a humiliating children's character. And I knew that I was going to be sick of the whole time. So that was like the it was challenging for story 'cause I was like kind of out of the picture, but also sort of have chance to be loopy and kind of funny, but the whole second act, I was kind of like out of the action home. Also, it seemed like. That the scenes Billy needed to someone to complain to. That was where it seemed like why is Bill? Why does the scene continue is the and you're like, oh, Billy needs to establish what his complaint is usually. That'd be Julie. Yes. Is that? And then you're like, okay, we're walking towards and then who's going to be. Yeah. So then what that sort of the hole that you need to fill. And then you're sort of thinking, it was more just a blow to the scene like the last funny. Ideally funny, but the last joke that you go out on and I just that just really made me laugh, so walk me through you. He walks up the craft services. You know, this person's gonna what goes through your brain do start with let me think of this person. And then like how how do you get to that? You know, it's like are you starting with a character like this character? Just like it was almost like that Letterman thing Roo is. Like, would it be funny? If it was like Julia big pussy. I don't know if that's a character. I just remember thinking like I just remember thinking that'd be really funny. It's like this dirt bag like craft services person. Like only cares about that. And I also remember I I really like it when men like big push editor. There was this not that he's like a feminist icon or anything. Jim Norton like routine about how much he likes big. Which is like not that. He's like, oh, I'm sure it's another way to come out and women's bodies. I like hearing it like I say have exploitation. Whether any other thoughts of possible predilections or ways of he might say, the the roast beef line that was that was on the pace for thought. I thought that was absolutely no way. I was going to change that if the the network was very amenable. But if they had come back, I would have given them a fight. And and you know, I d logically supporting it by the fact that like I want equality for. I want the opportunity for women to be as disgusting and immature and stupid and of noxious and make jokes about how gross genitals are than men have had the benefit for doing for years in the moment. Are you thinking that you're like when you write like, oh, he's gonna say this? And you're like, yeah. Being gross. It's just more about me thinking like, what's the dirtiest thing ever, an invariably that comes to things that are taboo, because they haven't been discussed, and then also comes from my own personal experience of having a vulva, and those are like it's my point of reference combined with the fact that like, I know this is going to be more shocking because it's just simply not said, and that's also very appealing for joke writing because it's a regional. Yeah. I haven't seen that before. Why? Thank you. You've talked about I think who will let you get away with a lot. But I think networks in general are specifically very squeamish about female anatomy, related to I remember. There was a time. Like I'd written something for the times. And they're like we can't had like some line in a modern loving that said, my vagina is an idiot. And they said like we only use the word vagina when it comes to like medical articles. And that's the time and the times has and God bless them. I mean comparatively compared to the White House like I'm on their side. But like, I just remember thinking like, well, that's awfully like, you know, saying and who knows maybe they have the same philosophy towards like male genitals to. But I just remember thinking like, you know, don't don't make it. So that, you know, this is I don't know. It's like a virgin whore kind of thing. Don't don't make this like Unjumble about because you wanna keep within like precious and pure and like sexually attractive as opposed to like us using our own stuff as like material did Hulu, Hulu had no problem this show or anything in general that who have. Have. His feels like one of the dirtier Joe of the show. Thank you. We would come back. We would go back and forth with Amy more than anything suppose. Went to who wasn't like Amy was like, no. But it was more like a conversation. Always have a point about like, I'm bumping on this. This isn't working and she'd always be right or else. She would bring us something better. So by the time, we got to Hulu every once in a while they would have a couple of like of things, but we would either take relieve them or take them because they were good. But for something like this. No, I remember it was something season three that standards and practices came back to us. Where billion I are waving like a bus of tourists, and we're saying under our breath like you mother fuckers like, and and and we say fucking Trump voters, and they wanted to get rid of that. And we fought back, and they acquiesced, but it was one of these things where like, oh, that's interesting. Like, you're okay with us checking attacking Trump. But you don't want us to go after his base to do it. Anyway. Because. Also, like, we're not. I mean, I kinda see where they're coming from. But I also was like we're not in the business of trying to get your other like the fifty other fifty percent of this country that wouldn't like this show. Anyway, we're not interested in kissing up to them. I mean in general when we did have advertising stuff. Well, you'd have. Yeah. There was this one thing in the sorry. There was one has anyone ever said that on a podcast or interrupting? There was an episode. The final episode of episodes of season three which ended up being the final episode was billion Julie go to LA, and we had the opportunity to use teeny teeny teeny tiny car like one of those little I don't know what they're called him like a car person. But we we got permission to use one. And the only the only like a what is that? Call restriction was that we couldn't make fun of the car. So I had to cut a line where we get out of the car in traffic all day. And I said, oh God that was like being in walis pussy and. And and our legal with like, you cannot you can't say that. I'm like, but it's a joke. And they're like, I know, but like we can't we can't use the car that was we had to lose that Jim for for joke like this and show, and in general the show where the point of it is the characters are wrong about a lot of certain things about how do you sort of a writer scrutinize to make sure the jokes targeted clear to an audience. Well, sometimes it's not and you can't control that. But I do think that is not that the characters are wrong. It's just that they're selfish, and they put themselves I, but they're still onto something. Like, there's still a truthfulness to them hating everything around them. But they're just more reckless about it. So you're you're kind of like giving someone the chance to have this sort of catharsis by virtue of someone that doesn't care if they burn bridges or not and can just sort of say anything they want. It's by making clear that they are wrong. Well, not that they're wrong or they don't give a shit. You know, just that they have. Nothing to lose. And there's something really entertaining about watching that. And I think, you know, sometimes I don't know like I have issue with people like writing pieces about what's punching up versus what punching down just because like I think people like not that people talk about comedy too much, but just stuff like that. Really bums me out because it's like, you know, it when you see it, and you know, when you're on the right side of history. Are you should? Yeah. There's context that. I think that's often they will not take into cats Lutely. And and I do, you know like the joke in the pilot about our Kelly, really like was misinterpreted because it was perceived of as like blue Ivy being the target, and it was really a joke about R Kelly, but I still regret making it because I I just feel bad that interpret it that way. But ultimately that was a joke that we actually changed because Ridgely it was joke about Eric Clapton's did son. And I remember we were like this is to USA had bought the pilot. We're not gonna go forward on USA with a joke about a dead kid. We better make it about like sexual. I mean. So. I came up with that old because it had to be something shocking upsetting enough for people to be like outraged by and then people were outraged by it in real life. And I say, oh, it was taken out of context. But people are smart like I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna like I'm not gonna say like, no, they really didn't get it. It's like if that's if people think that like children are not fair game to be joked about like, I hear that. And I respect that. And I do regret not making my intentions clearer with it because like fuck are Kelly forever. But like, I don't I don't like having been mis interpreted, and I regret that I would put more thought into it. So I wanted to you mentioned I wanna talk about casting this part. But we have a special guest. Oh, you wanna come up? This is David Neil Levin. There's a mic over there. This is the reunion as unit episode side in the cold for a character that does not interact with Julie. We're actually meeting impersonal though. Obviously, I saw your dishes tape. You were. So so funny I wanted every thank you. Everyone was better than the I can't believe like did Billy break at all. I would not have been able to not laugh at no he did number professional professional, so David. What was it like getting this casting breakdown of what they need it? And why you like for me? I think probably the right. Yeah. It was really exciting actor in the audition that didn't make it into the show was my say, I like it when the roast beef goes past the bread, I this with my hands. And I don't know if specifically wrote back through like don't don't do that. Okay. I don't know. If you remember that anyway. Deadpan? You were like it was lymph you filthy enough that it goes a long way, thanks for casting me. Funny. Thank you. What David what do you remember from shooting this scene? Awesome Pendleton was Super-9 so funny in this role. I mean, you guys could see acting crazy like that. This is insane. Like. If you look behind him when he's approaching the craft serve if you watch again, he starts dance. And I think he probably came up with the back story that his character was on pills or something. Oh, funny. Super nice. And during a break he was sitting down talking to some other actors about the biz. And I was like, oh, that's great. He was leaning back against my jacket, and I had to go. And I like I just pulled it out. Interrupt him. But he didn't notice he stayed for the the lunch after he was that's that was me. That's where we were lunch too. Extra bonus. Julie. So what I wanted to ask you what delight to you this character, and sort of more broadly as a longtime listener for your podcast. I feel like this guy feels like a sort of person that you've like internet like Perv that I feel like you've sometimes become obsessed with great rating on Wiki feet. What interests you about this this world of male? Version is Larry's I love it. I just I mean, I I the tarm Liz, you know, it's it's fun. People dot hurting anyone or taking advantage of people who are just into weird stuff makes me laugh. I mean, it's just I I'm not I guess I'm squeamish about certain topics that are like violence or poop. I'm not into. But like sexy is so funny and like the more explicit the better. I just I just I just enjoy jokes about sex. Yeah. There's there's just sort of sweetness to how to presents this thing. He knows what he likes. And Billy's like dokey. Little throat. So. With with where it was going to are so difficult people famously had jokes sort of predicted certain metoo shifts Bryan singer jokes and the Kevin Spacey jokes now are Kelly, but in sort of general, what do you think where the craft service guy is now considering his work be probably I think he is a longer career than anybody. I mean, I think he I don't think he would have said that to the person that could have fired him. I think he just sort of sauce someone that was like in a tough spot more like lower status on said, it was just like trying to make a friend, David. What are your thoughts? I think he's in the union. So he's fine. He did his job. He offered him to like. Does you don't see those onside lo I love. David, Neil Levin. Thank you so much. So I want to talk more broadly about jokes on the show. And I thought good way was you send jokes that you know, you. Yeah jokes. You know, you wrote from what I believe you said was your favorite episode or upset. He liked lot which was season three episode to strike rat. So she's very short. She wrote, and we super cut it. And this is said super this is supposed to be amazing stated lanes latest magic trick where he's just going to kill himself. Maggie Jilin whole just signed onto the next sequel to hostile clitoridectomy third time's the harm. It's always sad when someone sells out their own people. Yeah. Like when Elton John did that thing with Eminem. And then they sang together. This project comes from a film director who is arguably offensive to women you. I Roth close Jewish also, but his violence against women is more dialogue based and exists worn characters antiquated attitudes. Towards them. Woody Allen doing other Amazon Sears, it's called Manhattan mini storage. And this time, we are all sure the woods gonna get TV Esther white female over sixteen. Unfussy Qabail any other specifics or you'll have to speak up over this loud, rock and roll music. If you can call it music. Oh, here Mr. Yaakov. Let me light that for you. Oh shit. I'm okay. I don't care please go. But not before you check off a reason why your returning this blender. Shoulder. I is an exclusively because of my anus, I'm talented food photographer back and catfish hall are develop the cutest little eating disorder. I would take pictures of food instead of eating it. Now, of course, just use portion control before I thought that everything I'll know Israel. Well, we liberals were busy debating, whether those naked statues are Trump will by him in Russia elected the fourth Reich. My god. It's you. What's going on is this a flash mob because I don't know the dams, but I could certainly try to learn no, it's a protest what do y'all shooting in New York again? And we're not okay with it. Let me guess dip shit. You just on dishing, wait a minute. You familiar? Do. We've fuck in college trick question. Boop stuff with women in college. Seriously. We used to fucking I ripped up sides right in front of that daughter marrying clarinet tune in clown shoe, and then just make sure you knew I was serious. I burn my bra because even I couldn't convert a gay person. If I could you bet that circle line crews with Anderson Cooper would have gone a different way, Trish, I can only imagine your back story. Oh, it's a letter for the conversion is me the new vice presidential seal. That's gotta be. Okay. Well, let's tilted. It's definitely swastika. So we just won't tell. Now, he had some two PM every day for salted cottage cheese dinner. Absolutely to minded by kept hangover three. I saw the first two, and I just want to know how it turns out for the gang. Oh, max every time. I see you. I feel like I just moved a bunch of graphs. Well, great. She's talking about drugs. I'm a mental imbecile, but you you're vibrating on a sexual energy. I must be news. Hey, I've been waiting all morning. You finally showed up for the wa wa protests women again you came in costume. No. This isn't a costume. I work at speak ease in supper clubs doing my burlesque act. Really? I'm huge for less fan. I've never seen. You do something from your act. Well, I'm who'd you and. Do in town ever news. Jeff. Oh, it's right. I have seen you before. That's right, sir. May up some hot wings fire better call Saul. And please ask me how I feel about women who don't wear makeup. I have an opinion about whether they're beautiful whether without it. I love that. If this owed so much it's such a bummer too. I think season three of difficult people as far and away the best, and I just feel like it didn't get enough attention as opposed to the first two. But I'm so proud of it that that episode like head details. Just like, I just think it's so great. Thanks. And that it should as Julie mentioned those are just the joke. She's short you wrote for by yourself like there's there's. Collaborated on for sure. But I know that shudder is an exclusively. Because of my anus is definitely me. For that joke. Did you have to work backwards of what you knew the plot was going to be where you knew he was going to take photographic. Okay. Get there we knew that he was going to be a photographer. So the word shut arrives funny to me. And I like it when he calls it as ENA sometimes instead of his ass. So there's obviously just so many jokes. And you you've talked about having pride in that the show has hard jokes, which is sort of jokes there. You know, what that's what those are. And and the characters often we'll talk about shows that have no jokes or wouldn't no joke if they win awards and go on seasons than we did. Yeah. So what do you like about jokes? What do you like about writing jokes Sunday? So satisfy the only thing I really love about writing when I'm sitting down and you're pulling teeth. But then you like discover a joke that you just figure out and there's just it's like panning for gold. This just it just feels so good. Do do are you excited to tell people immediately want do like to stop and be like I did this. And then I is that I stopped. But when I give someone a script to read like I love it when they like cut and paste the things that they think are funny, they're invariably jokes. And then I just love, you know, I'm just a huge fan of comedy. I remember other people's jokes and coat them a lot or. To my life. I'm just a huge fan of like, this whatever but the craft of it there. I was thinking in the last maybe five or six years the most Harjo heavy sitcoms sort of live sitcoms difficult people many project. Great news Schmidt were all created by women. I thirty rack I always think about do you think there's any it's something. I noticed I didn't. Which is there's not show that have so many jokes that they all are Simpson's. Yeah. But that's obviously. But yeah, no. I I don't know. I haven't really thought about it. There's you know, what it's nice that. There have been opportunities for women to create more shows in the last many years. So I wanna talk to you about pop culture. References sort of generally, I to writing teacher who came be note about a piece I wrote, and sort of paraphrase, he sort of like references are w a double edged sword they sort of push away those who don't get them. But for those who sort of know what they're sort of a secret language that you sort of communicate to them. And also, no the thing is like another level. These are just how some people talk. What was your sort of journey about using sort of pop culture? References in your writing foremost is the way people talk, and it is a secret. But, but I disagree with that first thing because I think that if you're already on someone's vibe, like if you're watching something that you like, and you like the sensibility of and they make a reference that you don't understand look at the fuck up. It's so easy. You have a phone. You can pause it. Like, I think that's one of the exciting things about being curious same that people who read will stop to look up a word like, I don't know. Like, I remember growing up watching British television comedies and like not getting jokes on like, the young ones or Monty python? And I would like I couldn't Google Felicity Kendal time, but later I could and I remember thinking like that's really funny name, and I wonder who she is. And you know, if you're if you're curious you have the opportunity to learn something, and isn't that cool like I like learning things, and it's speaking to you're treating the the audience as intelligent people. That's. Absolutely huge priority for me, writing wise is to like make something for someone that is as smart as me or if not smarter I was preparing for the interview last weekend. And as finding a lot of interviews would ask you or Billy are there any celebrities that you guys actually like which I thought it was like a criminal. Manny was so crazy that and then so the same thing happened was that I watched the Golden Globes, and sort of thing clicked, which was people think they're haters, partly because there's something that you don't see anymore, which is a Reverend like there's sort of like not space for that. I think there's you've talked about how like a lot of people become more earnest in sort of the internet. I think you wrote for time, and I came up through the internet a time where like this is sort of like the tone in which that have what do you like about goods Gawker? And then even like your recaps, I think what I thought of internet writing is. And then have you noticed that shifts? What what about being Reverend towards things? Well, I definitely find it annoying. That like the take is always consistent like if the internet decides they like a celebrity that everything is. Like, you know, I'm just gonna use this an example like I don't dislike crackly like her lap. But like we stand Rashida Jones. And like, oh, great. Great news Rashida Jones is doing this again. This is just a random example. But like there are people that the internet designates as we love without asking me. And I just I find that supremely irritating. Feels like you're back in high school. And you're like, she's the popular Kristen Bell's and other Aubrey plaza. Again, these women are great and funny and gorgeous and everything, but like, you know, like, I I love, you know. Nelly. Like, why are we talk more about her? Why think it's only you're talking about four about punching up down, which is the people that they elevate as these these sacrosanct people if you go after them somehow, you are punching down because which makes no sense. They are these girls. Don't don't get me start. I mean. No, yeah. No, you you you take shit. When you go after people that like the internet is cited we universally love, and that's difficult people's a great outlets express annoyance about that through the guys of two characters like said don't give shit there. I was other things that are jealous better. Like, why is that person famous, and I'm not and also people are jealous in real life. Like, I feel like that's that's that is forgotten. Yeah. The other thing that I was remembering is that difficult. People came after time and comedy where they're like pieces about how joyous nice comedy. Was there like I remember, I think volt wrote an article about like parks and recreation and Jimmy Fallon and the comedy of super niceness, and we watching like remind me of the interview did what David Rakoff about defensive pessimism. Which is like, I it's like burned in my brain. But I think there's something about the show where you're like these are people like things are going to get worse any minute now. And then these three you're like we. Correct. Do you feel? I don't say there's no like gratification about that. I'm not like happy that Trump is president Kevin Spacey may or may not be behind bars. But like I was right. There's a very light. It's it's being right? Doesn't make you happy. Just makes you right? From hetero. SNL Chris Kelly air Snyder comes a new comedy central series. The other two starting drew Tarver. 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But it definitely spoke to you know, we we only got really just got started. Like Trump was elected while we were in the writer's room. And I remember that day. So it was so fucking bleak. And I remember thinking, oh, I'm so lucky that I don't work at like Sambi your John Oliver because the half to write a take on this right now would just wound me more than I actually feel already got it. And it's nice to almost have a distraction, and as well like what? Outlet to kind of say how would these characters deal with this world? But but the pen stuff was important for us to tackle. Because of our, you know, just his disgusting LGBT Q record and the gay conversion stuff, which is just nauseating and should be legal across the board. So this was our way of of making fun of it. You've you've said the I'm making fun of him being like always gay like not a good one. I not not crazy about that that joke, by the way. Like, this homophobes, totally gay like, maybe that's not the point of view. You know? Yeah. There's other things going on with Lindsey Graham that we can. You've said the one thing you you wish you could have written into joke about since difficult. People ended was Ninette which is a show which is. So you said you liked which is an interesting thing that I sort of like, it's so interesting this show sort of has these they make fun of these drama dis that, but you've also said like, oh now that you're looking at the projects, you might wanna do something more grounded or that you've liked transparent, orange his new blacks. It is a it is a key distinction between you and the character you play it, isn't it like, isn't that? Nice to like, I'm sure Larry David is obnoxious to everyone in restaurants and stuff funnier way of doing it. But yeah, oh, boy now net is something billion truly would have gone off the rails. About just like, wait a minute. Like this like lesbian. It wasn't that funny. Thirty minutes in says, she's not gonna do comedy. We're supposed to be upset. Right. That's what they would say Jesse. That's what they would say. You while you're coming up comedy. We were also sort of writing critically wrote recaps for vulture that I I loved even for shows that it didn't watch. Did you see that interview with John Curtin ski where he's talking about meeting? Paul Thomas Anderson. So he junk Rucinsky said he was at this party. And he was telling Paul Thomas Anderson about how this shitty movie he saw and then Paul times. Oh, no. You can't say that you shouldn't say anything's bad. Like, we are the craters of people you have to like allow people to create things, and I feel like this show. You you in particular are though you are creator. You're also as a person who comes from critical point of view and simple that you want to make sure that you still have that point of view that you don't want to let things off the hook that you don't like is that still have to read that whole because I'm still coming to terms of Paul Anderson saying that, and it makes sense that you didn't have an editor for the master first of all based on that. I could have been like make it like maybe like four loose forty five minutes. But that's not okay to say LA. I don't know that I have to read the of that. But I'm horrified. But sorry, I think it's more like you feel like it's important to remain critical in your. Oh, absolutely. It's a huge part of my personality is just like, and I think, you know, the the pleasure of knowing how one feels about things that one is passionate about culturally. One of the great pleasures of going to museum say I like this. I don't like that. I think being critical is a absolutely essential part of creativity. So not going to be critical towards yourself. If you're not critical, and I and I don't I don't know. I always take your shoe with people that fight against critics because they're like you fucking make something it's like well actually wrote this like really well reasoned in well thought out meditation on art. And that's something, you know. I mean, I understand if it's just like this. Thanks, but I don't know. There's a lot of art criticism. I think as well this episode Ozzy has a couple of jokes about Woody Allen. But I know his movies are important to you. And for I like his early. I say like deconstructing, Harry was the last movie I like, we'd like it was more than like their movies that I think helped shape what you might want to do when you work. Wanted from New York, you know, like, obviously, these are things that have been around. But you know, as you worked on this. Do you sort of reconcile like his influence with sort of who he was a person beyond sort of like separating from artists. Do you think about the influence? He had on you. I don't think maybe this is a huge generalization that I just thought maybe I'll take issue with that later. But I don't know if women have ever really had that conflict. There's a lot of pieces about like home is both don't like Louis C K. If I can't it's like, we got it like they're two different things like the art in the artists, and you have to take one to consideration. If you enjoy the other, but at the same time like, I don't know like our Chromos one of my favorite artists, and he's someone who works out his eight on the page, and he's a total dirtbag in like, you know, I wouldn't wanna marry him. And then Woody Allen, you still like be a really interesting film maker. And then the the funny thing about what he Allen is like his really. Like public daughter fucking. Coincided with as far as we know. You know, it was coincided with a phase of his career. That was just like, wow, it's films are terrible. So it's not it's not it's not that hard to be like, Colin. I mean like, I will never make a witty Allen movie. Really you won't make you will meet a tall dark stranger to. It's not like you're saying, I'm not gonna make anti hall outta here. Like, no one saying that the interesting thing, I think was like Louis stuff because that guy left at the top of his game. Whereas Woody like already kind of, you know, slipping and now he's still out of touch because he's been in exile again. No bu-but just like interesting to see how like out of -tuni- is because he hasn't been able to be in front of. Yeah. I feel like I read it as he he knew how to appeal to his new audience of people who doesn't care about. No that that's what people saying and that he's going to be like a Maga demand could tore red states. But I don't know if he's that aware as far as how he's perceived of right now, I don't know if he has that that might be tone deaf to that. I don't know. But it is definitely insulated from Emmys like so famous that he doesn't know how to be a person. Well, it's beyond fame. I think it's like installation. He doesn't really know what he did wrong. I don't think he understands completely. Why people are upset and he hasn't been going up in front of audiences to get like, the actus or know or care how the audience would be responding. So so from Woody Allen, we'll go to New York. I've said it before. And I'll say it again. It's like New York is a character on this show. It's like the third difficult person. Yes. Yes. Yes. And her trailer was huge. But you've said it's a different New York than brought cities or Seinfeld or what is the New York? You wanted to show what? Is this New York that has this craft services guy has Billie that has this strike, right? Busy annoy, everyone else's cranky too. And like, you know, there there's definitely characters in this world. But like that are nutty. But there was a there was a couple of things not that we have had a show bible. But there were definitely philosophies Julian Billy would never fight Julian Billy would never have things going on that the other would know about and that their philosophy was two pronged, which is to say the world is garbage. But also, what was the other one? But also, we suck. Now. I don't think they said we suck. I think I think it was like the world is garbage. And that was they were right about that like their things that they were wrong about. But like that one was true, and that would keep proving itself, and that was New York is the place where you can convey that the well, we definitely like got gotta dip our toll in LA of it all last episodes. So that was fun. So from New York, let's talk about Judaism on this. First time, we interviews for juicy which I feel like this full circle. It's it's it's almost like Judaism is a character on the show. Thank you. Thank you. So the last person I asked about this was your Jewish day school classmate, Nick Kroll. But but do you feel like a Jewish comedian? Do you feel like difficult people is continuing of vocabulary of Jewish-American absolutely absolutely in. What way I by Jewishness is just something that is a very big part of my identity, and I take it with me day to day. And I think about being Jewish all the time. And I think about, you know, the the New York Innis of my specific kind of Judaism. And I think that this show really let me be as Jewish. I wanted to be and as gay or females I wanted to be your as obscure as I wanted to be I'm very very grateful for that. And Billy, you know, when I met Billy. He was from Forest Hills. Yet funny bits stories like we were both equally Jewish, and it was something that we had in common. Man. Have you watched MRs Mazel, I saw the first episode clips that my boyfriend was in and any thoughts. Yeah. I I can see why it's popular it's very charming. Leave it at that. This. You can say Pollino to this question. I've talked to make the comedy editor at Volterra about this idea. But in the interview, you did with bust the hosts called you a comedian and the intro, and you didn't say like, oh, no, I prefer comedian. And I it made me think about how. Comedian is a history that is separate from the history of comedians, which is not necessarily sterling do you feel like there's sort of their way to reclaim that term. Or do you think? Yeah. I don't really care if you call me comedian, like, I don't I don't I don't mind it. I mean, I could see how people are annoyed by the way that you'd say actress instead of actor, but I'm just grateful for the. Do you think of yourself as a writer? I I yeah. I in four months, I think of myself as a writer because I can write other things right different kinds of things. And also because I I just know it's the thing. I'm I'm best. And so if I could only do one thing I'd have to do it. Although I like performing the best thing in the world is writing for yourself. It's like wrapping present that you get to unwrap later. But, but I, but I do know that like, it's the one thing I can do that other people can't I don't think I'm that green of a performer what it comes to. I mean, my record speaks for itself. And that department you currently working on a book broadly has a very specific process. You talked about briefly, but I was interested in how you're doing. It seem like you have your very motivated to do in a specific way that a mixed cancel to your podcast in some ways. What is how are you working on this book? I have been like journaling and trying to. Get back to remembering how much I love to write when I was a teenager. And that I did it because I loved it. And I needed it. And that sort of what podcasting did for me. It was kind of like a a I could upload like whatever I was going through and make it kind of like and be able to process it. So I've been doing that for the last like Hafer have a year and trying to think of it in terms of a book lately because my only New Year's resolution is to be more like friendly woods, and she wrote books, and she's so fucking RAD. If you ever get chance to see your speak while while she's still on this planet. I mean, she's the best. No one's cooler than her. What do you like about TV about the length? The rhythm the nature of how this was Hulu. You could have been up. Forty minute episode committed eighteen twenty. Twenty four. But like, yeah. Or less, but it was always. Well, what do you like about TV? And it's I mean, I grew up with it. There's something very comforting in familial. And I also think that comedy was always more like answered to on television because it was just more current like the turnaround was less like extensive. So you could have things that were more topical. Or, you know, less universal. I guess so if you were a comedy attic than you would be getting more more hits. If it's hard to think abstractly about one Likasi, but I have an idea which is a so let's say five years. Someone word was to come up to you and say something about difficult people who would you want that person to be and what sort of thing would you like them to be like when they sort of tile you about that? There are fan. Well, someone who could hire me for some answer. What was the second part of? What would you like them to say? Like, I love this joke. You know, I I loved I remember this joke or quoting job or saying like, I just think quoting the writing there's a certain really does touch a writer in like a deep place when you can remember like the turn of phrase, they used spe-, I'll tell you my favorite joke. I think the show which is in third season. Julie's just looking through the internet and sees on deadline. She goes Malala sign with CA hadn't she'd been through enough. That was my thank you. I know you can't know your development. Poor girl through. I know you can't talk about what you're developing. But can you talk about it? I'm working on shows. And we're going to new TV shows for the love of God. Please pray tonight to Satan, whomever, you worship Christian bale. To go forward. Because it's so I mean, I understand why science is a thing in Los Angeles. Because it is the exact same rhythm of television development. Like, you're like, oh, you'd be great at this like me. And then you go, and you write a script, and they're like this is fantastic. It is. And then they're like sure like, why don't you like, wait, six months? And then maybe we'll like pitch it. And then someone buys like they did. And then they're like we're gonna make up Bislett like you will. And then like two years later, they shoot it. And then another like six months, they're like we're gonna go to series or not all the steps they take you through. It's exactly like Scientology, and you're broke at the end of it. What what can you say what a little bit about what the two things they're both half hour comedies one. I'm working on with Alex Cordella who I've been working with for over a decade who I- door, and the other is something that I'm writing for myself to star in and it is sort of autobiographical, but from a different place than when I was writing difficult people I was coming from very different place of this is sort of a different kind of thing. But they're both half hour comedies. What do you like cable? What do you like about working on them? I mean. Just discovering the I'm just such a joke horror like I just love. I just love writing jokes and enjoying them and getting excited about like. Oh my God. Like, what have we actually get to say this on camera? That'd be so cool. So that's means. It's time for final segment, it's laughing ground. It's like a lightning ground. But because it's comedy. It's a laughing. I know that's why that sound is. So funny. Do you have any jokes street looks like St. Joe like if you to like a joke that person will tell you a grandpar-? My mother told me this joke recently at a funeral. There's this these two old ladies talking and once the other you look fabulous. What's your secret? Goes I've been this is my mother's term. I've been giving my husband oral sex. Every day for the last month. And it's really, you know, it's doing me. I just feel great. And I look great, and I can't recommend it enough. And then they see each other like a couple months later and the second lady says the first now, you look great. What have you been doing? I've been taking your advice I've been giving all sex every night last month. I've never felt better look better. But your husband was really surprise. She was blowing lady's husband. Who do you think it's Friday night? Who do you think who do you want to win this season of drag race all stars low by three it's funny? 'cause I think Manila's almost like two like I feel like she's above. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like he's almost like a mentor like at L, not an elder. That's not a nice thing to say. But I just feel like she's she's just alright any such a superstar. But I'm really excited about Monique, and Monet, and yeah, I like I like Valentina a lot. But if there's going to be a third slot. I'd like to see go to Manila. So you did something on the last episode of how's your week that I love so much? I can't tell you how much I love it. Which is you went through every cast member and said, which one is a cat or. Yes. And I got a lot of shit about Bill hater because I think I said Bill was a dog. And I and and I see the other side of that. I may have been wrong the way been wrong, the one that I I remember your most writers at college. Oh, a dog and Michael J is a cat. And you're like, so I did something I want you do something which is the names of other sketch comedians. Okay. If you're willing to say if their dog or for sure, do you wanna hold the paper and go through it or do you want me to say because it'll be better for the podcast. Thank you. So we're going in show show order, so we're gonna start with SETV. Great Martin short a dog for sure Joe Flaherty cat Eugene Levy a dog. Dave Thomas, a cat. John candy dog, Catherine O'Hara, a cat. Tony Rosato dog. Ruben Duke robot, Robin, Duke, sorry. A dog herald Ramos a cat. Rick moranis. Dog. Andrew martin. I miss her so much. I love her so much Andrews cat kids in the hall date. Fully oh kids in the hall. Tell you right now. David Bruce Katz. The rest are dogs. There's no question about that. I mean, you wanna go for breeds. Margaret herder. What's what's dog? What's thomson? I mean like a yellow lab. So I wanna put it this on McDonalds. A Jack Russell like wild wire hair. When I put this on Twitter, the sketch show they most wanted to do was the state, which I was surprised. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I was going to be SETV or on the home. But it was the state. So at a way, we go, Michael, Ian, black cat. Kevin Allison dog, Robin. Ben grant. Oh cat. Todd hollow bec. Oh, the pretty one cat. Michael, Patrick, gene up Kerri Kenney. Oh, Harry, Kenny dog Thomas Lennon cat, Joel Giorgo dog. Yeah. I mean, totally well and then Ken Marito dog. Yeah. Of course. Now, I'm starting to hang Michael Showalter cat. Yeah. David Wayne dog. And now you see Matt Besser? Oh, I'll tell you right now that Matt Besser is a cab rest our dogs. Yeah. Mister show. Bob odenkirk. Oh, Bob's dog in David's cat. Oh, are we doing the other ones? Paul Tomkins stuff. I think we're going to the main cast, but. Dave Chapelle Dave hells a dog. Keegan Michael key? Oh, very easy. Feels a cat. He's a dog. That's the easiest one. You've given me so far. That's so easy. Cat would make the movie get out. And dog would be infringed from college. Amy schumer. Amy Schumer is a dog so Portland Lia, Fred arson, which oh, I think they're both cats. Yeah. That's right. Last one year old friend, Nick Kroll? He's a dog. No question. So last question we want to put the put the photo up on the screen. So that's your cats. And that's my cat bug. Do you think they'd be friends? Is bubble boy or girl girl. She's very pretty what's your personality? Like, she's very sweet likes to be high on things like high on. What the CBD oil Brooklyn, honestly, come on. It's like the new tumor. It doesn't do anything. Anyway. What would they be friends Jimmy has a hard time with other cats? He gets very aggressive. But if he was going to be friends with the cat, I think that that's a personality of of someone I could see him getting along with especially since she's so pretty and he might he might even want court her. Oh, that's the perfect answer. Julie klausner. Thank you guys. So much. That's it for this week's episode. You can watch difficult. People who follow Julie classroom on Twitter at Julie class ner. Get on his produced by Mike Kante with production help by Jesse Molly. Justin de right? Did. Our theme song writer view rate the show at apple podcast five stars, please. And, hey, if you know anyone who might like, the podcast what the heck maybe tell them. You can eat money comments questions are laughing around suggestions to one podcast dot com. I'm Jesse David. 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Late Night Writers Panel (NY)

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

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Late Night Writers Panel (NY)

"This is a head gum podcast. Cultures. Goodwin podcast is sponsored by visible. I knew phone service that gives you unlimited everything including data at speeds up to five megabits per second. On Verizon's, four g LT network for just four dollars a month. All it. Hello. I am vulture senior editor, Jesse Dave FOX, and welcome to good one a podcast about jokes in those who write them late night late night. It's on your TV's. It's in the news, it's on our movie screens. But how does it happen that question is the subject of this week's episode earlier this month of the ninety secretary wide Poulter, good, one put together a panel late night riders that together accounted for every late night show that shoots in New York, we had Fudo from Diese marrow and before that the rundown. Robin PD just gunmen from Maryland. Previously last week tonight with John Oliver Jenny from late night with Myers cat rally from the daily show with Trevor Noah Cole Silverberg from full-frontal, a cement V Kate Sidley from the late show. Stephen Colbert and Rebecca Shaw from the tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon together. We got to the bottom of what it's like working late night in two thousand nineteen was she could have been there, have good news. And good news. I the news, we're gonna hold an LA version of the panel on June twenty. Seventh and Neue house. So if you live in LA, or this rounding areas, please come, and now the good news if it wasn't already apparent your about to listen to the ninety struck wipe panels, which I have to MIT as a person who's been moderating panels for years was really like the big time for me. So I'm so happy to be able to share this with you. So take it away me. Hello, welcome to the late night panel. We're gonna talk about writing for late night, which Joel do grip. So let's start at the very beginning growing up. What was all your relationships, too late night television? I'm trying to think my first memory have of late night. TV is my brother. And I trying to stay up late enough to watch SNL and mostly failing like we would like around ten o'clock start to like, drink a lot of soda. And then start to like try to scare each other to try to see if we could stay up until eleven thirty. But it just seemed like the coolest like goal to try to like it felt like you got to peak on the other side of this grownup, curtain, if you could manage to stay up that late, so that's probably my first relationship with anyone else have specific show. They watched. I remember I discovered Conan in seventh grade, I became obsessed with Conan O'Brien show watch that whenever I could stay up late enough. And then also Senate live, I specifically watched like I liked like the cheerleader sketches like I was at the point where I had certain sketches I liked and I'd be like a boring. They're doing one of these right now. But so I love the Spartan cheerleaders and like Conan O'Brien. Those were like an Letterman. I watched him to specifically on thanksgiving when he'd guess which pies, his mom made. That was my favorite thing. So those three shows civically I like like honed onto immediately dream of working out on late night. No. No further questions. I spoke. I did I so I started my first late night that I loved was Saturday Night Live as well. I remember Nancy Kerrigan is for my small hometown in Massachusetts. And she hosted after the Olympics, and I remember being like, that's we sure that's the coolest thing I've ever seen, like she's from over there. And then I remember in high school being like, oh, the daily show that, that's like that's the shit like I can I swear, I actually don't know. Okay, I'll stop. Yes. I and just being like that's, that's like the impossible dream of. So I did like starting that I was like, well that's the thing I would do if if. But that's it felt like that's what I'd do if magic were real. I didn't know that writers existed for other shows other than SNL like, I knew who SNL writers were, and I knew who the hosts were of shows and I just absorbed, the tastes that my parents had. So my parents, loved SNL. They loved Conan. They love John Stewart. And so those are the people who I looked up to you, and, but it took a long time before. I understood that comedy was a career at all. Let alone writing for someone who's in front of camera, and I was like a big time, like theater kid, and I was like, well, that's all nice, but I'm actually born for the stodgy. And so. It took a while for me to like, come down off my high horse in that regard. I similarly, I think comedy was born out of not being able to crack on the Broadway stage, but no comedy and knowing about comedy was, I think such social capital early on when I wasn't being very well received in middle school. I remember coming in and be like, have you guys seen this, this will Ferrell guy. He's really he's got something going on. And I remember that being very sort of formative was realizing that this is this thing that everyone regardless of who they were could identify with and relate to when I was in high school. I washed the Kobe report, all the time every single day of my life. And I was like, I can't believe you can say all these bad words on television. How do I get that job? So I've always kind of wanted to say bad words on television, and I'm really lucky that I get to do that. I'm sure there are people here who would love to be the people on on stage. So how did you get the job that you have, and it, maybe a quick show of hands, which when you start stand up stand up, hands raised, and then which are improv sketch who all right? So but beyond that, what is, what are your paths, or specific in one's path to the jobs that have I got hired before having any sort of representation or anything like that. So my path was, I think probably similar to a lot of people on the stage. It was through the, the group of people that I met that also had the same dreams. Doing sketch and just takings many classes I could doing much performances I could writing as much you just meet other people who work really hard, who you get along with. And we sort of became a support group and still are for each other, and one of them writes for your show, and somebody found out about a packet. We'd all do that packet. We'd already read each other stuff, you know there it's a lot of hustle. But that's the hustle that it takes to get the sort of job, especially if you don't have traditional routes available to you. I got my job off of a packet, which is like an application, essentially, you write a specific sample for the specific show. Ideally, you'd aren't just like recycling jokes. And it's always reflective of what the show is going to be. So, you know, if it's a show like Fallon, where there are monologue jokes, and dusk, bits and sketches. That's part of the packet, but something like Sam be deroga-. What we call headline script, which is like a script. It's actually very smart script based off of a headline. About the Charlottesville. Unite the right March, which is uplifting and fun and do. And in so you do ton of packets, and I think I applied for every show that everyone writes for except for south Myers because they weren't interested. And you just you, you do a ton of packets, and you kind of as you're doing the packets. You're like God. This is like pulling teeth. If I get this job, that'll probably be really hard for me. And usually those packets aren't as strong and then hopefully the packet where you're like God. This is really I get the voice of this host. I like the subject matter, the point of view. This isn't like a huge stretch where have to put my voice through machine for the host to be able to say it on the other side. And that's how I felt doing SAM's packet. And I was just very lucky that, that I ended up being read and that they liked the packet. Oh, I did a lot of packets as well. But I think the most helpful thing for me for getting into late night was actually the internet shadow because I would like this dude, when I was like, in college when encouraged me to just tweet, and this is when I had one hundred followers and no one cared. No one liked anything. I said, and it was really actually pathetic. I can't believe I continue to do it for years. For me. I'm Ben eventually I built a following on Twitter. And I was able to connect with Robin, who was my first I'm late night, boss, and then Diese Mero, I connected with them through Twitter, and like years ago, I would Email them, it'd be like, hey guys, if you ever need a writer at love to do it, and they would ignore me my emails, but then, eventually I got this job. So Email people. Yeah. I think for me it's same. I was doing standup improv and sketch. And one of my friends on my sketch team found out the daily show how to pack it. And he knew that, like, he and I were both like wouldn't a group of friends just doing packets and interested in practicing monologue jokes. And so I got the packet Senate in not even knowing if they'd read it because I wasn't like they didn't send it to me, just kinda stole it. And so, luckily, they did read it, and then, that's how you got how I got hired. But those after doing like many other packets all your shows as well. I wanna talk about typical day but considering you guys all work in different jobs, different schedules. I want to try something which I think might be disaster, but I'm going to go through windows of times, and then all say what happens in the window at times on your show on show nights? So the time well. In an order, very jazzy. Because I'm here shows are daily in the title, daily, and some of them are weekly currently is by weekly so double the weekly biweekly double the weekly. So we're going to go. Yeah. We still that. So we'll go and order how a day goes. So the, the mornings when you get in. Are you sort of looking at news? Immediately is there a pitch meeting in the morning on Monday morning at nine thirty? We go around the room. We each pitch one topical thing based on the news of the weekend, and then I'm on the monologue team. So immediately, then I start trying desperately to get to generate enough monologue jokes to turn in our next first line, I go to the bathroom, and then. Ten AM is when our meetings starts, and that's when we watch news clips of all the main major stories happening that day, and we're encouraged riff and make jokes in the room, some of those might end up making it to the show or kind of get an idea of where we want to go with it. And so that meeting after that is when Trevor goes with other people might producers and stuff and kind of really picks. Okay, this is what the show is going to be about today. We have monologue bits do in the morning. So that's when we do sketches games anything that relates to the news of front we tapes the last show until the morning. So that's usually what we're spending most of our morning thinking about, I defer disease. I'm z way. So we get we get it. I get an attend because I don't like to be nervous for our meeting at ten. I don't want to be late for meeting at ten thirty at ten thirty we meet, and we talk about the topical things, but really any kind of news that, just floats are vote. It's very expressive. Would you agree? Josh I feel like suggestions. My bus technically so shuttered right now I'm very nervous, very stress. And if you guys could support me with more laughter. That would be great. You can see I have to hire infests. So it's really it's a real rough place in the mirror writers. I was the only thing I would change is that on showed as we start a little early. So we're in at nine for like a meeting. That's like, okay. Is there any story that we want to boot from the lineup that we'd come up with the previous as afternoon? Or is there anything that we want to add that we kind of felt bubbled up overnight that feels more contemporary and shows are Monday and Thursday eleven PM on Showtime? Like has she been missing the nine AM meetings, and you've never told her? Both like compulsively early arrived. I get so stressed. At the late show. Our day starts either eight thirty or nine depending on the day, and we actually have to pitch meetings in the morning. One is a smaller pitch meeting with our head writers. And then we have a larger pitch meeting with Stephen. Our show as I'm sure you all know is on Wednesdays. So are we kind of bisected in that way, Monday and Tuesday, or working on one half of the show and enter sand? Friday are working for the preparing for the next week show. So on Monday we come in. I ten minutes late everyday. It doesn't matter what I do. Or how hard I try minute ten ten which is perfect our first meetings at ten fifteen and that's a studio meeting, which is all of the writers Sam, our research team or segment. Producers, essentially, it's everyone staff doesn't work for the digital team, and who doesn't do the field pieces. And that's when we're trying to figure out what we call the Wednesday version of whatever the big story is because all the daily shows are going to be working on a tight turn around. So it's like we know what the conversation is today. What are we going to be, what's most top coal thing to talk about our show on Wednesday. And what's the approach on Wednesday that's going to feel old for the shows that have monologues? Are you is everyone sort of everything is like, are you a monologue writer, but ultimately also do the other stuff or is it completely our show is, everyone is everything? But I know that's somewhat atypical. No. Please. Thank you. With her with her team in a sketch team. But the most recent hires like maybe the last three or four writers were hired. They kind of try tried hiring us as swings. So we have a couple of people who can just kind of float around and do whatever strikes fancy. We have monologue at the tonight show monologue in sketch writers, but monologue. Bits is sort of like a grad bag term for sort of, like, anything that sort of falls somewhere in between anything that you sort of have an idea that won't fit into a joke. So ours is a little different because we have the correspondence as well. Which, like might just like where would junior Michael Kosta? We'd like six different correspondence. So they might do a chat with them chats with Trevor at the desk. So we'd have the headline plus maybe enact to chat, or sometimes, even like pre-tape sketch. But everyone does everything. So just depends on what year needed on that day. I was going to go to after lunch. But while we're here, what do you guys usually for lunch? Our lunches free, we get free lunch every day, which is awesome. So it's catered to choose it or whatever shows whatever shows up, but they always have a good variety. There's always a good vegetarian option. A good meat option salad soup and dessert, and a fruit platter, which I never touch. And goes hiring. Not currently. Seek you during lunchtime. We have free lunch every Monday and Thursday, which is second place to four days a week Marty Friday. Actually very great food moments but they're really expressive because we are we have a nutritionist. So. So they make sure healthy but we have piece of Friday's, but otherwise I go to Hudson market. Yeah. On show, dis we eat after the taping because we tape at noon thirty and because the as really intensive on, on diesel and Mero, and we'll do the taping and then and then we have lunch, which I think, is a little atypical. Yes. But we also donuts for breakfast. Yeah. We like we just like food. Our stuff. The thing that characterizes us as being inches from death. The commonality. Yeah. Are is every man for themselves? Fuck you. Oh, we said we might not costs. Sorry. Pretend like it's on TV and it got bleeped. Thank you. We, you have lunch catered on, on show days, because we're we'd in the rewrite room on show days, but yeah, either can order something delivered or you can do something called cooking and packing a lunch. I'm not familiar. But we are in the same building. So, so Hudson market is also a frequent destination if I want to get outside air again. Whatever that is. Lunch before. Right. Like. Here's an homeworks. Food network. To launch ends. What do you do for after lunch to pre show? What is the sort of process that are you sort of rewriting is just news? Come in waves. And you sort of research late, is there, what is this sort of next push of day? We've hersal every day for fifteen and we, we turned into last batch of my jokes at three fifteen and then someone at our show goes and gets a bunch of tourists from the NBC gift shop at our building. And we asked him if they want to see a taping and they're from, like Holland, so they're like, okay, what's going on? And like forty of them come into our studio, and then Seth reads like thirty monologue jokes to them, and we only need about ten to make a monologue. And so we basically choose our monologue jokes based off of the reactions of a bunch of Republicans from Australia. Yeah. And then we'll read other sketches. What read it too? So that's what we're doing pre taping it's kind of like a little bit of a dry run and trying to guess off of those people's reactions. What are our action might be? We rehearse at three thirty every day, and we don't bring any audience, just like people who wrote on the peace and producers, and then like the camera guys. And usually if we can make the camera crew laugh because they haven't been involved in the process at all that we know the joke is good. And then after that we go into rewrite, which can last from, like four to six depending on how much and you're in the rewrite room, if you were assigned to that piece that day Sears in a small room with Trevor the head writers producers, we just project the script up onto the wall and we just like rewrite it altogether. The writers on our show something. Interesting is there also the producers of those sketches, so depending on the day can be really different some days. You're helping out with someone else's needs more jokes for something. And sometimes it's a crazy mad dash to pull something together at the last minute. One thing that Jimmy's really great at is doing impressions. So if there's something ridiculous that happens to someone the night before, we will often hear, oh, he's interested in doing an impression of this person. And it's kind of surreal how in a few hours that the props and the costume seemed can turn around these full replicas of Seth hairpieces and sometimes prosthetics. So that sort of if you are responsible for that sketchers spending a lot of that day, sort of pulling that all together. I once again deferred z z way. I'm a black woman. Wait. What's the question again we're talking about now. Pre show pre show. Yeah. There live to tape like for a lot of it. Yeah. I mean, we don't we don't rehearse don't hers. Yeah. Because so much so much of shows improvised by the hosts on the stage. So, like, so much of what gets done pre show, whether it's like writing graphics into jokes, or on figuring the ark of the peace will get done during the tapings, while we're watching being like okay like, we think we might be the only show that the writers are like while the hosts are talking like writing down like oh, there should be a graphic here. And the graphics team makes it and they all get dropped in, in post instead of, like other jobs where you write it, and it accompanies the joke. We have to hear what the joke is driving the machine. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And we're all we're kind of trailing behind it picking up the mat. Like in the Mad Max wake exactly. It's just like. Yeah. We've got Mad Max. Our shows a little split in the afternoons half of the writers, about usually end up working on long-term pieces or field stuff, our guest stuff and the other half focus on rewriting the show for that day. But we also are very we try to have the show be at B as current as it possibly can be considering it tapes, it, five thirty or six. So if something happens in the news, which happens, more and more, you know, if at three thirty Trump's pants fall down. Everyone will get called up. They're working on right on that. Because that's the big thing. So that, you know. It should be uncommon but it happens a lot. So on days, preparing for the show on this, this hypothetical Monday, we were given an assignment for what the act won the top most topical actor, the show would be, and it was due at five PM the night before the show. We did a table read, and then on a show day, we have a rehearsal at twelve thirty. It is not an audience just writers segment producers, and that ends around one, and then we go into SAM's dressing room and we have a rewrite from one to four fifteen and, and that's a real like the night before we may have had a kind of bigger structural notes. Like I'm not sure that this argument is coming across correctly or this, this part, feels redundant or or, or something like that. And then I think this is probably borrowed from the daily show because so, you know, for Sam all of our EP came from as well. We projected up on a screen, and it's a real line by line. Rerate but typically what the main goal of rewrite is is to cut time out of the show. Usually we're running over by about like, eight minutes. The really nice thing about not rewriting is that we're never driven by Trump news. So if he does anything crazy, like fall off a bridge, where never like there's no hustle for that. We just the show is what the show is that morning. Yeah. And then during all watching the show or by the time the show's happening, or like moving onto the next day, we once the script is locked, which is about half an hour before taping. We're allowed to leave usually like if you wrote something that Dan, you're excited to see if a joke works, a couple of will, like hang out and watch it together, depending on just what with on the show that day showed as the most exciting day of my week. It's so exciting. I actually love watching the show because I get to hear these masters. Riff, for sure. So yes, we have to be very like, all the writers are at the taping because like stuff kind of gets sculpted afterwards. Same as capper us, if you want to stick around you can, but once the script is locked, and we leave SAM's dressing room recently. There was a study that said that if you're in a conference room for two hours or more the CO two level start to rise in packs your brain function. And I've never. Felt more serve study. Without having any idea how science works because after four hours and addressing feel very depleted and kind of crazy. Sometimes you've had to really go to bat for certain things, which is in courage at our show to really fight to keep something in or make an argument against something as well. And so if you're really proud of something, maybe we'll stick around for the taping but three of our writer scheduled therapy to be right after that. Not so much that it's a it's a devastating time. But just there are so few hours in your day that are office hours that are open, and so any opportunity where you can kind of get something done. 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How do you sort of balance trying to be expressing yourself with sort of the job of saying thing that someone else is going to say, and if you have any examples of like getting something like that me, and I'm happy that that's out there? I think one of the I think, to me, I think the coolest challenge enough, you guys feel. But what I like about writing for late night is really neat exercise of trying to find the sweet spot of marrying your voice, and the host voice because you don't want to right where it's not something you care about are you believe, and you're just doing an impression of someone. But it also can't sound too much like you. So I think that challenge, and that kind of constant intellectual exercises. What I like the most about it. But I do feel like I wrote. Every once in a while, I think, like your your voice like sneaks through the I wrote a monolog joke, not too long ago, and then I had a, the show tweeted it and the night got screen shots from other people being like this. You. It was about white men, not being great. So that's pretty on brand for me. But yeah, every once in a while. I'm sure that's happening. Everyone's very mean. Anybody who knows me would know that that is about me. But, but yeah, I think that's kind of neat trying to find the intersection. Yeah, it would be a much harder job, if I didn't feel like I had overlap in the ven diagram of a, my voice in SAM's voice. It's already hard enough to convert the news into jokes than if you're already putting your voice through machine there certain things that Sam. Pet peeves. She has with way, the sentences are constructed or ways that she talks in you get the longer. You do it like the more you get their voice in your head. You know what they would say and what they wouldn't say, but I don't know. I mean, for me, I'm just always trying to push our show as far left as possible. And I feel like I'm just always like being like let's to something really socialist. And so, you know, we've had a lot of pieces that I feel proud of that have been about like the green new deal or universal childcare, things like that, that Sam being from Canada's like oh, yeah. I forget that we don't have that south here, and I, I always feel proud when I feel like I've pushed the show's voice into something that, like I believe that maybe someone else wouldn't hook pitched in the room. For the voices interesting because, like you might switch from, like, writing Trevor's voice on the headline. One day this week. I did a piece for Lewis black, who's a sixty something year old very angry. White man, so. So it's been really really cool exercise for me. And I also like that our show doesn't like Cam awake girl, I can only rate for deshea, right? I've written pieces for all of the correspondence contributors. And Trevor so it's been really cool. And I liked that. They also trust us that we're like good enough writers that we can, we know this voice would do this do that. And Trevor's good at knowing. Okay. This is a joke. I can't tell this is a joke like dole. Sekine tell. So it is you're shifting every day shift quickly from one voice to another becoming genuis saying your voices always. It's in there somewhere like I get friends text me, if there's a poop joke on the show, and they assume that was me, but I like McColl set about, like when you feel like proud when you know that you brought something that maybe somebody else wouldn't have thought and there's a lot of talk about, like diversity and renders rooms. And I think people think of it just in terms of, like I think obviously, you wanna have a diverse representation, but I think it's not just for the sake of like numbers or. I think it's like that you feel like it's that there's only a limited number of headlines, we're looking at every day and different people are going to different openings in those headlines, based on their life experience. And I think that that's like you want like, like I feel like are the regime's. I've been in that. I enjoy the most are when like, oh, I looked at that story for two hours, they and tried to think of a joke. And I didn't even not even I couldn't find joke. I didn't even look at it the way that you were looking at it. I didn't even think of the issue that climate change article or that article about affirmative action or healthcare, made, you think of because of all the steps you took to get to this writer's room writing. Jesus Mero is so fun. I find them to be like, really bombastic. So, like I wrote the green book sketch, which is awesome. I wrote that shit. Good. But to me that was just the most expressive I've ever felt because I wouldn't normally joke like the N word in jokes. I'm Anderson surly tell. But like through them. I get how this new perspective. And this new world of like, really ultra offensive really smart satirical jokes. So writing with them. I think is fantastic. Fine. They have like a real wide strikes willing to do because they're so smart. And so silly felt like the breadth of references is like totally bonkers, and really fun. Do you like get to pitch them stuff in all different walks of life? And I and I personally, like making them like reactively just real dork stuff, or like sneaking in each story of the show has a title card that some kind of pong or just like little joke, and like the dumber and more intricate the pun, I bet I feel about my or the more intricate upon the better I feel about myself where St. work for. Tonight with John Oliver, and I took great pride in the dumbest jokes I could get just I there was a joke that I wrote last year. I don't even remember the setup but the punchline was John in kind of like a certainly Brooklyn accent saying suck my dog. Dick is a very strange at because most of all going to have a token dog. What would you make him such a gruff also I'm Tony humane society is a bunch of losers disagree. You can suck my dog. I was like I've done it. I've earned my pay. It's so Jenny you spoke about diversity in writer from. So Josh I gotta ask. What's it like being a straight white man in late night? Very white guy, have you to center in this conversation, Jesse, I deferred z way. Yeah. Seaway. What's it like for me to be a stray white guy? As a black woman, I would say that your experience is fine. You don't get bullied enough but you do get a lead. Sometimes you get some. Yeah. No, I think it's I've had a wonderful experience over. I like why you're gonna say Josh, I think like everyone here, there are there ups and downs in excitements and setbacks. But I think I've had probably of this panel like a singularly privileged in straightforward time of it. Yeah. I think in the past year, you've had a lot of sort of late night. Rightish cancelled were fronted by women busy Phillips, Sarah Silverman show wolves rubbing TD where you work, I guess the question is what, what the hell why what, what is? If you were to say, what the problem is besides the obvious. Why, why, why is it being? Why is it pro? Although it's a little pet peeve. I have writing for women fronted show, which is whenever a new woman hosted show comes onto the scene. It only gets talked about, in context of full-frontal. It's always like it. Does this full-frontal does this differently busies on a couch and Sam stands like real, deep comparisons that are really thought provoking and important? And it's it's frustrating for there to be a, a separation, just in the general conversation. When you're talking about what the late nights fear is like who who's who is talking? And what do they have to say with the exception of Robin show, which had like in twenty something episodes in the first season twenty four episodes? Yeah. Like Michelle Wolff had ten. Busy had four episodes week, but only for a few months, people need time to figure out late night as a machine. It I mean it's everyone does it a little differently as you could hear? And I think that people who write for these shows, especially who are there from the beginning, like Kate and. And Jenny like it takes time to get settled at takes like a while, I think that people are kind of impatient. They expect for woman to have like this unique and immediate spot where they totally understand what they're doing which in my opinion in the case of like busy. And Robin did like I thought from the get-go those shows were really unique excellent. But I think people just kind of waited in a different speier, which is a bummer. And I think if we learned anything from the election, our countries still way more misogynist than we might want to admit, and people bring that to female comics, like, like people do stand up like just doing stand up to like, you know, women's wastes were really shrill people don't wanna hear them. Like that's I mean, that's just like they're still, I think an adverse diversion to a woman who's trying to be funny. They use that word, try like, there's a baseline assumption a man's going to be funny. And yet, for some reason, women still have to prove themselves that they can be funny. They're not just automatically accepted as funny. So I think women host just have a harder job to get the viewership into get a fair shot. I just think audience. There's a lot of even sub-conscious misogyny that people may not even be aware of that they have when they view these shows because I think a lot of them probably down to like, I mean, ratings numbers of people weren't watching them, then that usually leads to cancel Asians. I think you know, people should watch those shows in support them if you want them to keep being on TV there's also a false and frustrating concept that there's lady news. And there's just news ended all impacts everybody. Like I. I pitch on sports constantly for my show, because that's what I know a lot about if we had to pick something about the bachelor or bachelorette. I would not know there's a racial probably, I don't know. I don't know anything about those shows or things that are considered like the lady subject. So I think they're still even a then when those shows do get a chance they're evaluated again by different criteria because it's like, well, this is where I'll get my lady topics, and then I'll get everything else from the neutral, just mail. And so, let's fix that. And then we find. I knew a lot about the bachelor and real housewives. I wear a lot of pink. I'm not wearing pink today, but I love feminine stuff. I think the late night is reflects the world we live in how many women does are there. Right. It's not like this is some digression society. So I think it's reflective of that. I think we need more shows by women that are different in every way, some can be super pink, and about bachelor some can be about sports. It doesn't really we just need more opportunities for women. And we don't need to pigeonhole ourselves in this world where it's like you have to be a certain accessible self. Like you have to be your true self. And that's all you can do as a performer and a writer and that'll connect with people, but women need to be given. Those opportunities to make shows. Donald Trump is the president. What I know it's crazy. He's a uniquely difficult person to make fun of so much as he is. So apparently, what he is and the exact same way over and over again. You're different shows differently political, but all are dealing with that. How do you personally approach it? How do you feel your shows approach it? How do you hope to continue approaching it as we sort of look into the next election? I'll say one thing that's been fun. And kind of refreshing for the daily shows that since Trevor's, not American, like he's not a democrat. He's not a Republican. So it's kind of nice that we don't really take a side because he always wants to like Lert as much about every side of all the issues. Of course, he tends, we tend to lean toward the Democratic Party because they're not monsters. But. But it is like he very much like, you know, he's, he's super smart. Knows a lot more about American politics and a lot of Americans but he's still he's told me both sides. What are the Democrats during Republicans doing, and we write our script like, we'd never say, like we are us if Trevor speaking, he'd say Americans, so it's kind of nice being able to have that distance and see his perspective of not being so deep in it like, someone who's been raised as a democrat to actually, like, yeah. Maybe the back in look at both sides with him to make sure I'm not being biased. And I'm being we're all being objective as we approach Trump in on what's happening the news. I it's really easy. Trumpet, so many things I'm probably I'm Mike with anything groundbreaking here because he's, he's everywhere. And we think about it's hard to not think about them all the time. But I think that there's, there's two levels of Trump. I think there is like the stuff where he like head toilet paper stuck to his shoe and look the wind, blew his hair, and then there's his really insidious immigration policies and him. Trying to roll back protections for LGBTQ people. And I think I feel like we're all trying at my job, and I'm sure like other places I like it's easy to get caught up in the toilet paper on the shoe and I'm not saying, I haven't written a joke about it. But I think everyone's while I try to recenter and be like, what is it that I really I've got airtime, and I can put a joke on TV. What do I want to try to write the joke about, and there was like the weekend that Michelle will post at the correspondents dinner and everybody got really upset about her eye shadow joke and spent forty hours talking about that? But at the same that same weekend, Trump held a rally where he asked if they were any Hispanics in the room and then he goes, okay, good. And I thought, oh, that is, I'm happy to be Hispanic. And I thought my weekend about that, that scary to me, and that's real. And so I came in on Monday and wrote a piece about it because I felt like ooh, let's try to keep in the ball. What do you hope as we go into the next election? In many ways, it started with twenty whatever democratic nominees. What do you hope from your shows, just general late night as we try to cover another election, especially learning what we learned from the last election? So I think part of by self care is that as a black woman, I don't like to think about Trump and that's nice thing. But working Diese Mero, is that we don't necessarily think about Trump that often, and when it comes to the election, it's we have candidates on her show, and it's like Cory Booker dunking on decent Mira, which is light and fun and not too, in the weeds of. Tragedy. I completely agree with that. I think there's something really very cool and privileged about a position where you're able to really bring some name recognition and some light to people's policies, and it does sometimes feel like giving people a little bit of vegetables with a with their dinner, but there's something really fun about being able to show a different side of the candidate or introduce people to candidate in a way that maybe involves more penis jokes than the debate, usually would, but really also give candidate a chance to express their policies, and how they feel about different issues, and sometimes even where they stand relative to other candidates, and just more people in the news, gives you more fodder to talk about. Because again, like the thing about Trump, is that he's, he's actually a very repetitive subject to write about. It's, it's all like the policies may change people around to may change. But like the subject is it can all be very, very much the same straight line. There's not a lot of hills and valleys to him. So. Having like it's just a delight to be an election season because there's just a slate of new people with varied funny, things about them that you can finally kind of stretch yourself a little bit in fun way, wouldn't call writing about the election season the light, but I would I would say that. There's something very cool about writing for TV like there's like there's just I love my job. I love that. I get to instead of putting things on Twitter. I get to put things in SAM's mouth Samson when people listen to. And she's someone who is open minded and willing to hear what her staffers care about and be. And, and be like, okay, let's do that. Like I had pitched something after the abortion policies went through Alabama, Georgia, like sex Ed for Senator saying, and we completely scrapped what we were working on to do kind of, like literally, an explainer on what abortion is. And I don't know that any other host would have like felt comfortable doing that. And I don't know if I if Sam would have thought that she would be in the moment. It was like, yeah, I'm being sold on this. Let's do it. And I think that. I watched the last election, not having a job and not having a voice, and I just, I don't know what I want out of the shows coverage for the election. But I know that like on the day to day, I get to participate in that and dots. The most exciting thing to be like, I'm one of those people who gets to pitch a point of view and have an opinion. All your shows are different some different days a week or some more political or less political as wrap up, what, what is the late night show for any of you in two thousand whatever your this is what it what is wasn't mean. For show to be late night show. I mean, people watch them people are watching it in the morning, or weak leader. What is late night? We can grapple with that too, because it does seem like a lot of my friends. They watched the show, but they're watching it on YouTube on their morning commute. We now have a podcast addition to where you can listen to the show. I mean I do think there is something nice about a show that does air late at night. That's how the Emmys define it. So that's how we care about it. But I do think the I mean, the world is digesting it differently, and it does seem to be used to be like you're talking about politics. But there's other shows like DC marrow, you guys are not necessarily talking about Trump in politics and doing different things. So. I think topical, I think people do tune in though, like something in the news, they go to these late night shows to hear what we're going to say about them. So I do think there's an element to that people wanna use you to reflect on the world like it helps them absorb what's happening in the world if they're able to hear someone else's take on it. That's a little lighter and funnier and easier to digest. I think when we're talking about, like female hosts and things like that. It's like, well, we're always defined what a late night show is based on what these male fronted late night shows that were, you know, every night summary at the end of the day, there's a guest, there's a monologue their desk, bits, their sketches personality driven. You know, that's, that's the way the late night has been defined in the past. And I think that all it really has to be some type of personality talking about some type of culture. Usually, to me, the reason why like a late night show is different than like daytime talk show, is that it's not as news is breaking it's like at the end at the end of the work day. There's, there's some type of summary feel to it. I think it's a very broad umbrella. And in there are so many shows that fit that, that people don't necessarily consider it to be like a street late night show. But to me, it's like kind of who cares. If you want to call your show late night show than like a great alright of packet for it. The way that we sort of talk about it in our writer's room is that we're an extension of conversations people were having that day. So it's not that we're like those conversations tend to be political right now, but they don't necessarily it's not prescriptive. They don't have to be like, we did a we talked about that, that insane helicopter rescue, where the woman like, spun out of control. Right. Because that's what people if you have not watched the video, you must she's fine. You can laugh at it. It is. So funny, shoot tired, you the Roeder's again again. And I sold Portland that you believe me even if for all that. She's fine. The fire captain. Fine. But that's what people were talking about that day. We were like this is all over the internet, the videos amazing, and she's okay? Which means we get to talk about. So she's dead. You don't get to talk about it. About that. That's what would be sad. But yeah, so it tends to be political, but again, it can be whatever that national conversation is I also think there's like, I think. Nicole side. It's like comedy forward, I think, is something I like about the late night John row like a daytime show is, like conversational, and I feel like a little more encumbered by, like politeness of like who's watching this? It's probably people folding, laundry, and, you know, or like people. Whatever there's just like a politeness to it, and I kind of like that we have a little more freedom to, like, reactive things uncouth way, that would be like a little weird for like Michael Strahan. Do like or Kelly Ripa to Kelly Ripa being bleeped left and right. And with these marrow I kind of see it as like this deconstruction of late night, actually. And so it has the typical structure like you have the space for the headliner, the monologue. Then you have the field piece, then you have maybe a sketch and you have the good night, but then it's still doing it in like this revitalizing way, where it feels totally fresh because they're literally like making it up on the spot with the with the MacIntosh Ines of like the late night runs with a script. Oh, lick use the program with the teleprompter and you talk about it, you know. So that's really interesting. Okay. I want to talk a little bit more about this new phone service called visible see a lot of phone services. These days are a bit sneaky, not unlike John deters character mister deeds, they take on a hidden fees to your phone, Bill and hope you don't notice not visible with visible. You get unlimited everything data. It's up to five megabits per second on four G LT network for just forty bucks a month flat every time. That's it transparency. It's like their whole deal. Notre no shenanigans. Nobody s I gotta say is pretty chill. If you wanna learn more checkout, visible dot com now back to the show. So we're gonna turn it over to some questions from the audience. Thank you for those who wrote set questions. What was your hardest episode to write for the day after the election? Yeah. We all walked in the day after the election, then hugged each other, I know. And then I'm like, yeah. And then I just, remember looking at my screen, and trying to formulate a joke of any kind are head writer, Alex as wrote my favorite monologue joke that day, the joke, was Donald Trump was elected the forty fifth president of the United States, and then something something something punchline. What, what do you say about? I would love to hear the punch line. I don't know what it is. So, yeah, I wrote all of my model this never happened before I had a whole week, where all of my monologue jokes that whole week where rejected because everything was so angry. And then the last day of the week, I got one in and it was about a monkey who'd had a boob job. I did not know how to write yet about reality like week three of the stories. We're really tough for me. We're show that, that's like our bread and butter. We feel an obligation and we're passionate about an angry about it. But also, it's like not there aren't a ton of men host who maybe feel super comfortable talking about perspective. So around week three. My boss Melinda. We had like a just meeting, and she was like Hannibal came back for a second. And I was like, oh, this is amazing actually because I'm about to get fired. And she was like she was like, yeah. I just wanted to ask them or you. Okay. And I was like oh, you can tell she was like, yeah, you seem like you're doing bad. And I was like, yes, I am. But the way that we kind of describe it on our show is like you have a cycle if like exhaustion and feeling burn out with politics and feeling like you can't make a joke and you don't know how you're going to go forward. And it's just when you're, you're low point someone else's feeling like more energized and your cycles. Don't sync up. And that's what's really beautiful about being part of a staff. We all get our period at the same time, though. Yeah. I'm cycled up with Trevor. I think I was just gonna say something really sad happens when it's when there's something that you don't joke about whether it's like a tragedy, or I think those are the times when I've found that I have a lot of trouble because I don't have a point of view. I don't have a take. It's just sad. And those are the moments when it's a little tricky to realize that what your job is often to put people to bed that night with a smile on their face and to make them feel some degree of joy. And I think that's something that those, that's when it becomes really hard. When I think we hope to rise to the occasion. Because those are the times when people really need to laugh, and there, there were just to my very first day was right after the Charlottesville Nazi rally was like my day, one of work, so like going and being like, I don't know what you guys want me to do this. And then the second one kinda someone. You were talking about was the, the Las Vegas shooting. Those are the two days that stand out to me, as we all walked in being like what the fuck are we gonna write today like 'cause there's certain things you just can't make fun of and you can't find the funny in there, just so devastating the hardest work for me was really tragic. It was the day that we didn't put beyond say's homecoming in the monologue. And that was so hard for me because beyond say, STAN, I was like, wow. You don't respect my culture. That's the Wild Thing about the show that we right on is that we all we, we kind of knowledge the world is ending yolo. So you get over you know. This is. So we just move on, and we have we keep it very light. Even the dark step is light. I kind of love that Deza Mara's like ability and willingness to like be really funny and candidate about things without feeling any to like explain like, we covered the story of on Trump covering or asking for the John McCain boat to ship boat. Shifty. Yeah. The John McCain scooter, is that a kind of. TV covered up while he was there. And like the commentary on Trump on the show is limited to like, oh, yeah, Trump. No, I'm sorry. It was the Jared Kushner interview where he was talking about. It was the same story, though. We ran it and the whole commentary on Trump was like Trump's dumb racist, though, like and that's like so refreshing to just be able to do that. And they feel no obligation to like, here people out when they've run out of goodwill with the people in the news, not Diesen narrow. My favorite thing that Deza says about Trump is that Trump doesn't have very good songs. He only has a couple of hits and everything else is trash and so just approaching him like that I'm so healthy. I'm coming from also like my, my previous job, I would sit and watch documentary footage and like weep softly in my office like several times a year that was part of the job. I remember this is truly you guys will think much less of me as a person, but the one of the hardest days, I was the top. I mean like mass shootings are so hard because people expect you to talk about it, and then but there's nothing funny to say it's like just repeated are but I was watching I was working on a story about. Opioid addiction and like pharmaceutical proliferation of high strength. Opioids and I was watching like a. It was a documentary with footage of like a support group of guys who are trying to get clean air clean as judgmental trying to stop using opioids in rural Maine. And they were all fishermen, and I remember one guy said he goes, they were like when did you start using what brought you do these pain pills? And they guy went my legs were crushed by a lobster boat. And I remember laughing and then shutting my computer and going broke in this is something snapped in me, and I need to restore it with sleep and love and dodge kissing, my wife. There. I have apparently my empathy. Muscles were cramped and it was very bad. It was like deeply it was like I looked into myself and was like I do not like what's in there. I watched that documentary, too. We did something on the suckler family. And I also watch horrible documentary. Don't recommend. It's upsetting. Conversely, someone writes, what has been your favorite episode or moment, working on in late night, and sort of sub question. Do you have any stories with famous people? My favorite was when eo see came on the show for the premiere because to me, it's like these marrow AOC. They're from the Bronx. And it's like this Bronx renaissance in this country. And it's like this one, epicenter of culture is spreading throughout the nation and to see that in technicolor from entertainment, and then politics in one space, like very powerful and famous, people low NAS was great. He's great skit man. We had people to judge on the show, who is just a delight and we got to do a segment with him. That was previously done with Obama, which was slow jam the news, which is just a delight of a segment generally. But basically, for those of you who haven't seen one the candidate sort of gets an opportunity to present a little bit of their policy, and then Jimmy company by the roots, slow jam it. So they make it really slow and really sexy and lines like yeah. Pete wants to satisfy all your needs. And it just it goes in a whole series of really crazy directions. And that was a really fun challenge, because not only were we working with his actual policy, and those sides of it, and then also writing the most ludicrous jokes in these very weird. I can't believe this is my job moments. But then we were sitting with Buddha, choose campaign team sort of talking out different things about we'll, he'll say. He he'll say that he, he wants to satisfy your needs, but he won't call it. We won't say Peter pipers packing a big pickled pepper because big too suggestive. And we said, okay, what if it was just a pickled pepper? And we really just delved in there. So if you're wondering what goes into a presidential campaign that was that was a pretty surreal. Season for boldness and heart job of a leader to shine light in the dog. Four. How we slow jam the news. Oh, yeah. When really gratifying, the Sierra gratifying episode third episode of the season, where we started with it was like a long segment on that the R Kelly interview. So started with the Kelly interview, which is like really unsettling. I think a lot of people found it very like difficult to watch and the country. The guys made was like so funny and daft, and like looked at the issues without bringing people to a painful place. It felt like and then right after that we did a segment about Momo the fake the fake hoax of that statue of chicken that tells teenagers children to kill themselves, and there was like, there's like this deep dark story about our Kelly, and the abuses, he's allegedly perpetrated, and I say, allegedly to cover my own self, not because I don't believe it. And then there was this moment where they showed the statue of Momo that, that, like, was this viral hoax, that was like kill yourself children, and in unison diesels in Maryland, does Momo have Taylor, and like made me laugh so hard. And also, I felt I like predicted that in a meeting that that was that would be area of interest for the show. Like just this statue suicide said, you have boobs, just like felt very like like the ground, we've covered over a period of ten minutes was really felt really good. And if it really natural to be able to do both those things, and that was also they made up a song with John legend, about us, a sex thing that I don't need to rub in your faces now but you can Google. That's really funny. It was called chocolate galaxy. So, you know. If you don't know are you at a comedy panel? If you can't Intuit what chocolate galaxy to explain to Terry crews with the movie swim fan was. I wrote a joke with just name checking swim fan because have some respect and I won't explain it's a movie and, and Terry crews was like the nicest person I've ever met. We don't have a ton of celebrities on the show. We usually how them onto a little sketches and he very politely was like, what is I was like, sir? It would be my honor. I don't have any really celebrity stories but there was one bit. I was proud of I did with a chat with deshea wrote with another writer Lorn, and it was about all the female candidates running record number of female candidates. And we looked at how the press is covering them, and how the press and media have covered female candidates historically, and just how it's usually generally pretty shitty. And so does ease chatting with Trevor at the desk about it? And there was one thing where they use the term vaginal politics in something like years ago. And so we wrote a joke for being like, vaginal politics makes it sound like we're like, actually voting like with our vaginas, and, like, yes, I can hold a pencil with mine, but like, and then and then I pitched this, like line that I didn't think Trevor anyone would let me on the show that after that does he looks down and talks to her vagina. And she's like I know you're hungry were almost. There's just something about a woman running for president that brings all the fans. And I and I was so proud. And like Trevor head writer their life. I mean. Yeah, we'll try we'll see if it works, and they did in killed, and I was just so I was like, I'm so proud to work for show that let's our correspondents talk to their vaginas. I, I mean, I guess we, we occasionally when we go live for like election nights. Sometimes our guests will want to come and be like, oh, can we sit with the writers while they right? And I think that they think that it's very funny, but it's really just a tense room. Fourteen people very quietly typing on their back books, not talking to show. So I think watching a Hugh, Laurie disappointed in his experience was very fun for me. I usually get to do stuff on the show with an old old friend of mine. And I feel like that is probably anytime I get to do that my friend, amber. Ruffin we're friends from like thirteen years ago, we met when we were both just slogging it out in our twenties, trying to do comedy and it feels like so much of this job can be so thinki- in olitical like looking at facts and trying to bend facts into a setup for a joke or try to find an angle. You have already heard or read on Twitter. And so every once in a while I get to do something in person with her, and it feels like when you're connecting with an old friend kind of feels like a lot of that gets to fade away in for a minute. You just get to get to the core of the fun, and it feels like in this current political climate, sometimes the core of the fund can be hard to find so. So, yeah, someone to delight to be. There's one time I told a joke that just bombs so hard. But I was like sitting next to Seth and there's two hundred people, and then I just like added a tagline onto it wasn't in the script, because I thought, well, this'll make amber laugh. That's all that mattered at that point. So the last question is sort of two, I'm going to merge them. What advice do you have for people who would like to share their work, but are terrified of getting front of people slash are generally embarrassed? And what advice do you have four sixteen year old aspiring comedy writers, this is the advice section of the questions that sixteen or sixty person sixteen I don't know the age of the first person, let's say sixty but really would like to share their work. I think if you want to show, your work, and you're worried about it the most important thing to remember is, whoever all of your favorite comedians, are, if you think about all of the jokes that they've written that you love for each one of those a thousand that were terrible. You just didn't get to hear them because they wrote them, and then we're like, okay, not this one and they kept writing so, like the people that you like that are good are good. But because of practice and repetition like anybody who goes to the gym all the time is going to get swell. But the kids say, thank you, see way, I have provable from z way. Anybody goes the gym a lot is going to just have big muscles, because they work the muscles over and over again. Anybody that you admire and look up to where you are. And has a thousands of terrible jokes on their hard drive like so many and they're so bad. And so just don't worry about it like you're going to be, great, your jokes are great, and they'll get better, the more, you do it, and it's okay to feel that way. And it means that you care, it means, like if you're scared, and you're nervous to put things out there, and you're sweating, it means that you care. And that's. Good because you're doing something you care about. Like I, I when I started this job we had our first big two week hiatus at the end of it. We're about to come back and my husband came. And he's like what's wrong? This I was crying. And I was like, what if that was all the jokes I had one of used it up. But no, I meant to you. But if I had a finite amount of jokes in my brain and that was it and he was like, it's not how anything we're. But like you know, you'll always have that fear, and that's good. But don't let it stop. You let it drive you to punch through. And then the success will be amazing. Yeah. I mean we talked to belly dark days when something horrible was happening in the news. But sometimes everything's going perfectly in the news again, and you're like. Not working like go. I mean you know. You can start small, you can just like send something to one friend, and who you trust or your mom or whoever and be like, or your mom, don't send it to your mom. That's opposite of who you want, giving you an honest opinion. But I think that, like starting small with sharing. You can't get better without a community. It's tough to find one not to me is one of the most important things to find people who like the things. But if you're sixteen the best thing you can do is watch bunch of stuff and see what you like everyone decided what they wanted their voice to be by cobbling together at the things that they loved the most. And so watching a bunch of stuff that, you know, you're gonna like that you're not sure if you're going to like and kind of thinking about the mechanism a lot of people talk about when they're preparing for packets. They'll watch a show and they're literally right out, they'll transcribe the monologue to see what it looks like on paper like, oh, this these this host this kind of setups or this, this host count, the jokes. Okay. Eighty percent or about politics twenty percent or about, you know. What else is gone? But, you know, there's, there's a research element to it. It's, it's working, and it doesn't feel like working in it just takes time. All of us kind of started. I think at different. Done a different amount of things before we got into late night. But it's I had a similar breakdown, some like early into my job where I was like I had such a freelancing. I hop from job to job that stability felt wrong. I was like, I have health insurance, what's happening. I'm supposed to be like scared all the time and worried. And you just you learn how to transform your own voice based on your surroundings. And so it'll pass you'll move through the fear, and then you'll get scared about something else. Some other horrible thing will occur to you that could happen, then you'll confront that does that help. I think some of it is also just about points. Data points, having more things out there, we were sort of talking about this stage, but the less, you can live or die by one thing that you have out there. The more confident you're going to be, and I think that some of that is about putting out something that's not you're a plus, but it's your your be and I'm sorry, I'm using school terminology right now. But I do think that some of it is just about, like you're going to have jokes that are in the bottom half of the jokes you've ever made in. That's okay to like, more jokes you right? The list you'll care. One is bad, because the percentages of pie is the pipe smaller, exactly. I think as young writer as well. It's really hard to be yourself because you see all these people successful being themselves, and you're like, well, if I do it like this, then I will have this as well. And so finding your voice as a young writer like making sure you're trying to make yourself, laugh first and foremost before you make anyone else left is like so crucial. And so important and writing. So. Much like that's the worst advice. You ever got? It's like right. That sounds so easy and so hard at the same time. But it's honestly, so it's you just need that the most is writing a law. And if you're sixteen and want to get into comedy, I'm jealous, I wish that I started so young like go to lots of shows do improv stand up try everything, and you might hate everything. But you'll find something you like. Yeah. I think like do every everybody was right. Okay. Time's up. Okay. Sure. Yeah, they silence a white man has time is a. I'm with her. I'm with I'm with. I think just like making stuff you like and showing it to people, I'm like, you're you, you might not I think it's like a really great painful feeling like looking back at stuff. You did two years ago that you were like this was dope. And then being humiliated, by it's like such a good feeling because you're like I've grown so much that I don't hate present me, I hate passed me. And that's like. I think that's the highest level that I've achieved of self esteem is feeling good about me now in hating all the mies in the past, like all the Kurt Vonnegut me's trailing me throat time. I'm just like those guys suck. I wish I could jettison them, forever, future me. That's the. All right. That is the battle. Thank the panel is. Thank you. New later. That's it for another good one Z at seaway Josh, Josh Gelman Jenny at Jenny Hegel, cat cat Radley, coal, at and Silverberg Kate at Sidley Kate and Rebecca at Rebecca Bichon produce my commentate Justin de right? Our team song writer of you and your show and apple podcasts starts. And hey, if you know anyone who might like the podcast, maybe tell them, what the heck you can Yvonne any comments questions or laughing around suggestions to podcast com. I'm Dave FOX follow me at Jesse. Dave FOX back next week with a new episode a new job have good one. That was a hate them podcast.

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BONUS: Josh Gondelman Interviews Jesse

"Pillow and welcome to goodwin a podcast about Joe. I'm your host Jesse Dave Fox. Well usually I mean I'm still Jesse Dave Fox but I'm actually the subject of the interview. You this episode there have been a number of requests for such a thing to my surprise and also we thought it would be a fun way to tell you about the future of the show which is bright not spoil too much of the conversation but the podcast has returned date February twenty fifth which you might be thinking is sued which it is and as you might realize is. It's a Tuesday show is moving from Monday. Two Tuesdays out of respect to Garfield. That's the only reason I am serious. No not or AM I. I'm not but to be actually serious here. The other big change is when the show comes back it is going to be weekly which means when we start up again. It's just going to keep bond going until the end of time or the death of comedy. Whichever comes first? It's all exciting. Were not throwing a party hardy because I don't like parties but we are hosting a live show at Brooklyn's union hall on April second with three of my absolute favorite up and coming COMEDIANS. Joe Firestone Pat Regan Anyway the last of which you might remember from our New York late night. Riders Panel Episode Speaking of this episode interviewer also appeared on said panel. Josh gone woman is a fantastic stand up comedian. The median author of the recent collection of essays. Nice try and a CO executive producer at Jesus Romero not to mention my friend future. Good one podcast guest. He does a good job with in my opinion a very difficult subject with that. I toss it to Josh. See suit or you'll hear me soon. Hello this is the good one. podcast A podcast about jokes. I'm Josh Gone Delman writer and comedian. And I'm here with Jesse David Fox writer at vulture and the host of good one on a podcast about jokes the show we are currently on. I Jesse Hello Josh. Thank you for doing this. I thank you for having me. I might truly squirming. I'm going to relax. You really are scary. We're going to have a very nice this chat. We are having very nice chat like until I was like okay time. Let's shall we regard the podcast. We're easy breezy. And then immediately ten. Stop Yeah Yeah like like you like. I was a police officer showing you the key evidence I had planted. Yeah interview idea that I had asked you to do. You did ask me like I planted the evidence for you like I planted evidence. Yeah this is the real memento thing here People have been waiting for this season of good one. The the streets have been the clam uh-huh and So I guess it's coming back now so it's back now that that Obliterates question of when is it coming back. We'll come back I will say this is a prelude to the official rely This is like Solo. Yeah so this is a good one. Good one a podcast about jokes folks. Colon US Star Wars Jesse David Mach story so they'll come back officially February twenty fifth February twenty fifth and What can people expect for the season? I I know that's like such a A garbage question but there are things do anticipate yes so the big thing is it's not a season we are it's a forever we're going to weekly Which means the season model that were on which we were doing like twelve or thirteen arbitrary? We're just GonNa Start and then keep on going forever forever great which is terrifying? Because we never done that before. But I think it'll be doable. Partly because we're going to try to think of ways to do different types of episodes episodes words more conversational unless interviewee and the the thing we're GonNa try is figure you got ways to have people be able to talk about Other comedians which is happy on. We'll talk about a dead a joke of a debt comedian Richard Pryor Mitch. Hedberg people mentioned I always wanted to Robin Harris interview. episode because I'm still sort of like really interested to him Bernie Mac And and so that will be sort of like the bay stylistic change. I'm trying to think if there's be more things I mean the ultimate this show is the show where now now as part of the VOX media podcast network which they have more studios to work out a The rooms are bigger that we record out of so. I don't know that the people want to know the different. Yeah there's a clock that can look at one interview people instead of having to look at my phone which has been really Nice Nice but it will be the show from from the beginning of season wanted to present your by. By the end of the season he said I. I really like how this show works. What changed over the time change? I mean when I started it I was like I. They want it to be short. I wanted to be not when Marc Maron would do which is like by the forty minute mark. Really settle in and then we're just people there which is like what what he did because it's like it meant his shows about real conversation. Yes that's like this is not about real conversation there's about interviews and like specific and then and then I realized realized I had more things to ask people that I had a skill as an interviewer to create create arcs of an interview that you need to sort of build people to allow people to get comfortable in the first half like tackle. Bigger ideas that if you that I'm always amazed people are willing to talk about but I think it. It helps that by the time we get to. Those moments is usually the second half of the interview. They're like they're on camera on the same page and you can't do that otherwise And so I got way better and then then kind of figure that out about halfway halfway through into doing the show which was okay so the basic is sort of the first half is what you did or and how you did it and then the second half is why you did it and then I kinda got a little bit not board but I just sort of like what what else do it and then The last season change oddly. Enough when I interviewed your bosses Jesus Romero because they are so fun that I remembered heard this podcast is fun there. The funnest people while still being able to answer questions Yankel talk so fast they do. I which is a huge legroom if my parents watch the show I rate for Jesus and Mary Time My parents watch the show because I worked very. Don't think would have come across the otherwise and After after like fifty percent of the first season last season they said something like you know I. I think we're we're getting a better. I think maybe they're talking slower and I was like I don't think they are. Now I think they we go at that speed. I think you just learned like what it means when they say like dead ass. You don't have to spend the next four seconds being like. I don't know what that Bronx Slang is. Yeah and so there so fast and so able to answer the questions I mean. I'm always every time we do this interview. I'm nervous I'M NOT GONNA get to all my questions. But they were so fast that we're getting through everything and there were having so much fun so undeniable and it was a real game. Changer was like this show is fun. I've already done all the work which is too much work. People people complain that I work with that. I don't do much work. It's too late. I do so much work and I was like I already did the work. I wrote the questions down all now at the do. Enjoy the person I'm booking because I enjoy and that was the breakthrough that was like this. PODCAST is fun. The people listening to it partly like listening that I'm enjoying this person. And every episode from that point on has that instance of like I love the breeze on booking all feels that I love these people and why not experience that because they've already done the work and that is why buy so that was some like by junior or may I was like I got right now. This is what the show is. Oh that's great and so the missing element was like you remembering to engage and enjoy and yeah little just like listen. Yeah not because like I think usually an interviewer supposed to listen because then you can respond to what they're saying but you know I prepare enough that I'm less surprise what people are saying but what I'm listening to enjoy literally be with the person in the moment and hear them be funny 'em laugh at it or if it's like a comedian like neighbor Gazzi who it's like your voices funny talking a funny way listen to it. It's you're right it's just me and you like so intimate to hear person that is so funny and that was like well. That's the show it's like it's it's an intensive research that is borderline insane and unnecessary and like trying to think deeply about these people and but like the show is us using this as a way to sort of express how much I appreciate what these people are doing going back. Roseanne when you said it's kind of the first half is building up to be able to ask bigger bigger questions of the second half right and kind of game that interview trust. What were some of the ones that you felt? Maybe a little were there any that you felt a little nervous going into like. Oh when we get to these big questions. I don't know how react with. They'll thank. This is the nice thing about comedians. which is I'm I'm asking people incredibly personal questions? Not In the wait. A lot of people think personal but like I thought about these people a lot to me. It'd be very weird if a person you've met twenty minutes ago thought about you that deeply and sort have made connections about your work and who you are as a person and and so. I'm nervous that I'm going to present this thing and either I wanna be like Nah. I don't see it which happens sometimes but I'm mostly never saw like how dare you like. How dare you not not even be wrong? It's just sort of like if if someone did that to me. I be like ib so nervous like relative to be feel expose like in middle school. You Start Action of Greece and you're just like get the fuck out of my life. Yeah but what's amazing about. COMEDIANS is there they they love talking so they're good at talking about themselves. I always say it's a podcast about artists it just. COMEDIANS are better talker than photographer but also at photography I mean I love her tigers. That's not what they're medium is. They're not talkers. But there's a certain narcissism but doing comedy that you have to believe what you're doing is right and that level of narcissism that so many comedians that I've interviewed at you know it's ninety percent under like yes. Someone should be taken me this seriously. It is a thing that outs in a different context might be annoying. Or whatever and I'm like that I love that I put all this work and none of them are like how dare you take this. And that's probably booking I'm booking people who believe their work should be taken seriously or an unfortunate fortunate. That was the biggest game of show which is like can I do this and Comedians will agree to do it. Were there people that you are like especially blown away by how the the depth at which they bought into the premise considered. Yeah I mean the it's I mean Danny McBride thing I I always say was probably the most enjoyable enjoyable episode to do because it compared to like. I imagine what it's like to be like an expert tennis player and then for the first time play someone else's at that level where and for both of us because Danny I think is a genius. I think he's really thinking about Communist. The level that I at that next level who's really understanding and thinking deeply about it and and also has never really been treated that way probably because he southern and and so people just assume he's the guy in the the characters are often dom yes. That's the thing too. So they assume he's a dumb guy or he's like an at best he's instinctual right and I'm like I know he's brilliant. Let me treat him. Brilliant and like and can I ask him these complicated questions and he's like ready and he's another one who taught quick because he's like you can feel at least two was there and I think when people talk about it. It's like you can feel how how excited he has to be talking about this. This I'd be like in some ways. It's more nationalistic. He's like that's exactly. I've been reading these novels. I wasn't was like this is it was like exactly like we've been waiting to talk to each other and that was the one where I was so excited to put it out to be like this guy too. I know. `specially especially people in comedy think is at that level and to be able to help audiences who might not see that like this is. This is the the bar of the people who really are are the geniuses of what they're doing that's exciting the other Oh the one is maybe oh no nervous about but the one I was hopeful. We're with money interview Nikki. Glazer about roast jokes. Yes and I love Roy stroke so much. It's a thing that I really believe in. I think what the best roast jokes can do is feel like you've created this whole world in two senses. It's like you. It's the most amount of ideas and perspective in the short amount of time ideally And and it was believed stroke should be and I always thought Nicky was good at it and I know you have no idea really. There's a depth to it and every single one and it was like one. Her press jokes are insane. Yeah and then every joke she was exactly what I dreamed was was like distilling so much into that. It's like okay. I think this I think these like twenty minutes of things about this one guy. How can I now say that in two sentences and that was the one when I was like again I was? I was a bit nervous because I was nervous. There wasn't GonNa be that much. They are there like there are there are joke writers who were like I just did it right right and I didn't know if that was the case with these things because with rose people often just focus on like the thing you say because it is so extraordinary but but she had so much as i. It's like an episode. I keep on thinking about because I'm like that's exactly what the show is. These are the smallest amount of things that have the most thing. Say about that. So exciting Is Is there any path that you not to sell any one specific. Is there any pattern. You like specifically like who. I'd love to talk more about this that you find comedians in general are like like Ra little resistant to the reality of Comedians of a certain level to acknowledge that they don't like their audience. Oh interesting you think they will. They won't do that because they don't want to sell up course. There's once you get to a certain level. I've been trying to figure this out of what exactly the level is is where now your fans include people you don't like who you never imagine would be one of your fans but you're so big and you and you're just unbe. Ah Beyond your control. You are sort of a force of nature that you can't expect. You can do good work but you just never know what your audience is going to be and surprise. Your audience. Audience includes Douche bags. Or whatever. And how do you react to that. How do you work on material when you know? You're honest is going to be including people who've laugh you don't want and end as the show goes forward. I'm really interested in audiences and I've been asking communes more more about it because they ever has opinion about audiences And how how sort of cynically or nonsensically they think about it and and so I took kind of inch towards the question of like what essentially only anthony any justice really does which it goes like. I'm not fans. Allow them suck. I'm trying like or that was That interview is incredible. His answers were so candid and interest data that I was like I need to reconnect. July's highway think about his the intellectual project. He considers his comedy to him saying that he wanted to do such a good job in his format of comedy in his genre comedy that no one could ever do it after him is like on one handed is like so bombastic and on another hand. I kind of think he's done it. Yeah Yeah and I mean that is like a real compliment like when you see as someone do the thing that he does at at a lower level which basically everyone who attempts it is like. Oh you're not Jessil Mike and there are some people that I could not not to make this too much about me. There's some people that I could watch endless versions. Yeah and there are some people where you only need the one. Yeah especially if they if they cracked it right. They're they're good at the regular job of it which is running running this style of joke and they're also at the next level which is like I think Jessil Nick in his previous specials would be like I'm the best at this Mhm but what he did as he goes on is like if anyone else does this. You'd be like your worst Jessica. You do something else like he does make it seem like he. Everything is he's found everything there and also you're not gonna be able find something he hasn't found because he's sort order founded. Yeah and they're they're sort of other examples of people that are sort of the the pinnacle of a thing but other people are doing it and you can kind of see where the sort of more room for a million people do bill burr bill. Burr is the best bill. Burr are out there but he's not exhausting. The ability to bill Burr. I think there's different opinions about the validity of doing a bill burr impression but like ultimately you can still do it and there but like anyone's doing like a short joke where the twist is essential your murderer or whatever you're like sounds it like literally it's like it'd be crazy like I it's It's almost like a Mitch. Hedberg was still alive and then no one else could have done Mitch. Hedberg was sort of. He left devoid Loyd of a lot of people in being able to do it. But it's that's always like my favorite people which is sort of like they are similar things. Yeah and they get to create the types of like. What is the pinnacle of it? Is there anyone that you think that you've seen their progresses even reviewed them all I. I need to talk to them now. Yeah I mean I think. John's example sample Nikki. Glaser or even Oh who's a person. There's tons feel like I need if I just look at a list of everyone I've had on And what do you think about Nikki. That like what is it can blow it. If you're saving this mainly that I think The care and thought that she put in the rose jokes with not as as a parent in her regular stand up as a was In her the rose jokes and they think I and I think it just sort of like can you say more about in what way because her jokes have always found to be very precise vice construction. Yeah I think there's sort of a depth to the ideas in the last special. That were the same person. Listen I interviewed that partly just literally when I interviewed her. It was between these things right so it's like she did one hour and she and did four years of being better comedian or you know. More evolved comedian in the time period. She's doing these roasts and I think as these things go she's sort of like I think evolve to she was incredibly gifted joke writer but I think it happens a lot of comedians which is at a certain certain point they get so good that it gets easy and they have a few options which is either they lean into been easy and they crush all the time and it's boring into a person like me but it's very useful for like a club booker. WHO's like I'll get Bob? I N help crush or she'll crashing. It's great or they can get deeper or they can get more more thoughtful in different ways. It doesn't have to be personal Or more experimental and I think that was the thing that the Nikkei interviewed was that person person it just sort of like. They're less jokes in her regular set that I can point to. That was a person and she was working on like when I was interviewing her she was working on this hour so she was that person just literally. I couldn't and yeah that last vet last hour. I've always really enjoyed her comedy. But that last hour and then The shorter special sheet that flex or just like she I think she really Added so much extra depth without sacrificing any power. We're which is like you know. Sometimes you find people who are like this is too easy for me. I guess I'll just suck at it for a while as a challenge. And she did not like. I'm going to talk about more complicated issues. UNHINGING issues without sacrificing like how hard the jokes at and So that's a person I'm just like I'm immediately. I WanNa talk them again. Because it's it's so Apparent that I was like. Oh this is something else already. And we didn't talk about really her her stuff in that way. I mean like I never Gary Goldman for two and a half hours and his his his big break through our came out and like we were able to touch on it. But I hadn't necessarily seen it is sort of knew what it was about and I was. I watched that and I was like I already know the questions nations. I was GONNA add like I'd ask him about him. Technically Specific Yeltsin answers and stuff. Like what as in general has surprised you the most about doing the show. Like what have you learned about yourself herself in comedy and Comedians that you thought you had a handle on or like curious to find out about and now you're like Oh my eyes are open to this I mean I think I think the biggest thing which is there are types of comedy that I'd never particularly liked or didn't didn't laugh at. Let's say because I wasn't like I just like it. It's bad I was just sort of like this is my thing and And especially before doing the pockets. I was extensively stencil comedy critic and so much reviewing things or I would do best specials of the year and though I tried my best ultimately my bias would come through and and I had A. I spent some time working in the bias. But doing the podcast book people who I'd say existed on the outside of that bias and in that I'm like this isn't my thing I'm debating if I want to give examples ideas. Yeah no I will go just like so like like Whitney Cummings preparing to interview her. I and this happens with a lot of people. Think Mike. What say what I do when I prepare to? Essentially like very preparing I fall on love with the guests and the goal of the show is to convey to the audience. But I love about them and Whitney wasn't example of I didn't totally know what it was. I knew that people loved it and knew she was like the pinnacle of type of comedy. And I listen to her being interviewed. I only listen to her work in in the context of her work and I was like I. I mean. There's a lightbulb when I now understand whatever. The style comedy is that she's doing I'm in a way that I sort of didn't before and I have a much more greater empathy for of like what she's pushing back against the conversation. She's trying to have our way. I also think her last special confronted that a little bit. She's she has this part where I think what concert 'cause I thought was so interesting. She criticized her friend for being obsessed with how men and women are different. And he's like I know what you're thinking pointing at how men and women are different bill pay for my house and almost lake that that to me is like it's it's one of the moments accommodating about CONSECO's because like that is so brilliant. It's so interesting to have an opportunity with a special to reconcile your relationship to this conversation as well and so that was really excited and missiles missiles that interview with short and that's another example. I have a million questions. I'm going to get there but I that is the thing that's most surprising. Along with the fact that like degrade. COMEDIANS Medians broadly defined. What of great is have answers to the questions? I WANNA know they have. They have a reason they do what they want. They do for the most part and if they don't if they are instinctual that is still interesting as well. Yeah you're like you don't know why you do that and I wanNA convey that because like you're doing and part of users like this is what to do and that's but that and the thing that's constantly surprising is that these people and have the steps that I've dreamed dreamed when as the person who takes very seriously and stars. This pocket hoping comedians would allow me to help them take comedy seriously that they have have. They're able to do it because they in their private life or even maybe not on Mike before have taken a very seriously you know all day. They're like okay. I'm going to do the set. Let me think about does idea even if now writing down jobs. Let's talk about that thoughts and Mike The saucer interesting as a person who likes likes people's thoughts we we'll be right back with more well me and we're back and it's still me. How much research do you do for the average episode assode for to like feel that deal because some some like with someone like a John Mullany? My guess is that you've kind of been Steeped in his work more. You know in your just recreationally our and then with someone who had never had the same galvanizing appeal for you. I imagine you had to go back and backfill. Yeah I mean I I treat everyone the same you if I am and most of them which is probably I've worked with people were like you. Don't you have to put them. which don't have to do this research and I sort of like it's too late now? I mean like I used to say I would consume. Every single person has done like if one possible right right like if they've done a reasonable amount of like if they don't have their own podcast if they have their own pockets. I'll do my best but if they've only been interviewed let's say forty times. I could two x speed. Just listen to them plow through zone so much yeah will consume hours and hours of these people talking then read. I will listen and read at the same time. I'm just because I'm just like looking for tidbits and I'm making connections or I'm just like putting in my brain and then when I sit down it's all there I have these so all just sort of like live a life where all I think about these people it is I reference them constantly. If you find time like it's like this reminds me of this person when people ask you this because that's all you're thinking thinking about my is watching different Sebastian menasco special in jibe all. Yeah and my my therapist. God bless her. I'm like every week I'm like you know I'm bout to interview this person and this is sort of interesting because unlike and they're just on my mind contextualize it to myself. I can tell actually everyone I know I always WanNa talk about these people. I mean the this is sort of how I work. I sort of like taken Whatever my obsessive tendencies these are have been able to make a career out of it and I am every single time? I think maybe I don't need to do it. I'll listen to one more thing. I find one little small sentence that small mall sentence will frame everything it's really annoying but it's so useful and it's I'm trying to slow down a little bit and make sure spend more time with the work Because I do think allow mergers than happened. When I'm like actually thinking about relations patients with his work means but it's it's a ton it's like way more than anyone? Whatever is necessary when you listen to the interviews? You're listening for things. They've said that you feel like you would like to explore more. It's weird to be interviewed Beyond the fact I'm doing right now but I think generally it's weird being interviewed. It's weird that everyone agrees to do it. But Society of agreed it's a four and as a result and people sort of ask similar questions and to make your to not get had exhausted and not feel too vulnerable over again. You answer same questions in the same way over and over again or you like tell stories and more interesting ways and so as a result you don't hear a person in a natural way you're sort of hearing them answer questions and I'm like if I know the answer to this question already I could. It asks them it again or I can already say you say this now. Let's talk about this. which is not a thing they have an answer to because they have an answer it and then the dream and the best moments in the thing that I i? I don't remember that much interviews. But it's the things that I remember these moments. which is people making realizations and hearing someone think is an incredibly interesting thing especially when it's personally comedian? whose like has step of thought to hear person think is a really captivating moment? Have there been. Have you had favorites on the PODCASTS. Yeah I mean the most the most exciting one Is the pen and Oswald episode. Because we may the realization at the same time which is We're talking about this joke. That he does about his wife passing away and In the joke joke part of the context is there's a halloween moment in it and I asked him. When did he feel comfortable? That this thing you can do. And he's like Oh didn't feel comfortable L. Enough I guess in and then like he's like I guess there's a part about Halloween and and then I realize I was at the show that he was about to talk about and then like we're finishing each other's sentences like he was at the beacon theater because it was right after Halloween and he. This is really interesting patent because I had consumed interviews about this special which was largely about his wife passing away before and he was not really able to talk about it. He didn't really have perspective give he was still in it. The press tour was kind of like an extension and this is really the first interview we did right after that or like three months after it and then he's finally finally getting clarity so you can feel this person like remove themselves from the fog and be like Oh. This is sort of what happened last year. And I'm like this is staggering. Dagger is one of the more I will never forget it. It's like the thing that chase of like this one of the most interesting thing that I've ever done in it's a grand quincy that I was there for that show but that is like the most extreme example of like that realization. And feeling that because you know and otherwise it's a thing that will breath it'll happen again amount like it's so I can only think of the more recent ones but is you know I'll put things together and they'd be like oh I guess it is sort of all connected and I'm like and when they then like. Oh Oh and then like I remember the earliest Paul. Scheer presented him in a way. I guess everything is doing. It's been one thing is like yeah I know that was that was trying to tell you. going going back just a moment. Why is it to be interviewed? Because I don't know maybe maybe not. I think it's weird to have another person being like I've been thinking about you all day. I'm GonNa tell you it and I think it's not wait. Wait wait so okay so you said. I don't mean to be combative to be interviewed. You'd think it's weird or to interview. Yeah I think it's real. I think it's weird to interview in the way that I do okay. That's I think I'm weird. That's part of what I'm embracing. The show is like you when I started. I had an idea and the concept is what motivated me as like a good idea. We can talk about jokes. And then as a show evolved it it became about like my way of wanting to present thinking which is like more complicated and and it's revealing in it you know? I majored in psychology. And it's a little bit rooted in that idea of It's my dad has a therapist and also my therapist Boynton that like this is what they do which is like you talk forever and they have senses of you and then they're hoping to lead you to make a realization and that's like what I'm doing an automated my goal is to have it function similarly to therapy but not in the way that I think when people like therapy. It's more like take the part of therapy. That is not just confession but about you realizing stuff about yourself and comedians are good at it because Comedians have hyper charge pattern seeking brains So then they're like. Oh this is the thing that connects and I have the ability to do that. I think it's weird. I think that they agreed to do it. I do think it's Uh I do think it's sort of UN you see when people starting in interviews at. They are a little bit more uncomfortable talking about themselves in that way and detaching themselves from the fact that they are themselves right you live a life and it's like someone I remember. I interviewed bent savage. Who was the star boy meets world and I WANNA BE I? I asked him about what I think is the best episode of Boy Meets World which the Ski Lodge episode where he essentially like kisses someone instead of Topanga and I think it's a really really grown up interesting upset the show and I asked him what it was like and he goes like gotta remember my job and I was a kid and he's he's right like I do think specially as a kid you can't think about outside yourself like meaningfulness of your art so a that sort of a realization of like it's weird to be a person and also think about what you're doing as if you're not the person doing it right. I don't know you've probably been interviewed more than I. I've been interviewed a lot right but I feel like we're interviewed more than you think right like not necessarily for public consumption but like job interviews dates Um Meeting the The in laws right like meeting meeting your partner's parents or family or friends even and I feel like people are used to being eh interview. Yeah and I think even Even people who are not us being interviewed Republicans are used to be like if you have the job that is obscure and someone says what do you do you have that filed down nugget. Answer so that you don't have to talk for five minutes like I maintain databases but I don't code. You know what I mean like that kind of thing. What you're right? I think it says my how weird I think is to be interviewed. I think says more about me where I've like 'cause you mentioned those things and I'm like yeah. Those are uncomfortable situations like the idea of something you know what it is. I think it's you know not to reveal too much of that's over here. Finally it's like I think it's weird to not have control how you're presenting yourself. And as as a as a person I think of myself primarily as a writer and even though there's an interview I think what I'm doing I guess is a form of writing and so it they control based form and I make sense of being able to like convey information by controlling how it's it's it's out and I so in my head. It's weird to not do that do it. Someone else but I think it is other. People are not obsessed with having control how the present but it is interesting that I do think of Comedians as people who are and especially around their form that they are willing to do it because I and that is the the grand thing I mean like part. The reason the podcast started was when interviewed Jerry Seinfeld. He said asking about jokes. Because this is my favorite thing to talk about. But it's really boring to everyone because we're never everyone friend of a few are one of those famous people on Earth. This is your favorite thing. And you won't tell anyone about it and I'm like I need to create a context where I'm like as boring as you think. This is the minimum. This is what the show is and In Saint Louis Comedians really very And now you do it enough and if that person did it then I guess I can do it but and that that is. Maybe the only reason I'm able to us I'm like Oh. This is a show that I've got people do it. Their context Ford is this and then like let's all be comfortable not having giving me the control to talk about your work are there. People are their dream guests. Yeah I feel like in the Eddie Murphy vein living or dead. I mean I guess dead you understand whether unattainable and the listener would as well but like that you've felt have been unattainable ainable. Yeah I mean the two The dream because I always say. Are Chris Rock. Tina Fey and Mel Brooks Chris and Tina doesn't do China on a press. Maybe she'll do one thing around when she has a thing coming out She doesn't have tons of things. She writes coming out. And maybe around the the mean girls movie I can maybe do something with her and her husband To be like. Oh you know it's about the work of it And Kris really only does the press around the specific thing. He's promoting he. I think would be so good on the show. I think I think about that like you will be so good. He is so process oriented as a comedian and no-one tolley talked to him about it because he doesn't do interviews and he was doing interviews at a time where no one thought to ask. Ask him about that stuff and now when he does presses off around movies so it's not like the same thing and then mill just sort of like he is of the sort of great. COMEDIANS SEAN's of a different generation. That is still alive. I'd want to hear from that. I have the most personal relationship to I mean. There's like my dreams parties. Who Can I get dies on? Like I guess I'll do MORT SALSA LIVE on my case dream guests but like Yeah I mean like so. It's like those two. It's like would be Goldberg. Never talked about comedy like she graduated. Yeah she sort of and never had to do it again but she's still like a computer and criminally influential. I always feel that way about comedy in rap. Is that the highest level of success in either one to never have to do it. Like ice tea is the most successful rapper of all time. Because he's been on for you for so long. It gets a rapper. I mean like it's like Steve Martin. I be amazing but I don't know if he'll like I literally don't know he'll do it. It'd be like half the get someone on to do it. That loved it so much that they're like the favor I'm gonNA tell Steve Martin to do it because he famously like quit comedy he then and is like I don't want to talk about comedy. He had that interview at the Ninety Second Street. Y though sort of like a New York hubbub because he was only talking about art and people got annoyed. And I don't want to talk to him about comedy who doesn't want but St Martin and he's so influential in. I don't know people know 'cause it's also. He has a comedy that it does not age as I think. A lot of comedy doesn't age because you don't understand how revolutionary was because we've now lived for decades in the revolution of what he changed and and I'm like let's let's set the stage of like what was happening around you so then we can control. Is it what about Comedians you have died. Are there any bits that you're like. I wish I could talk to this person about job. Yeah I mean there's examples of just sort of like You Know I did adulterated. One hundred jokes that shape monarch comedy in this segment. And it's like a lot of those things are like these are the seminal moments like. What was it like to be in it I mean it's Robin Harris. Who debates kids kids? He changed so many things. No one knows because what he influenced already changed like people only saw like the Def comedy jam people and they're like. Oh Oh that was the that to them was the breakthrough moment like Robin Harris. Sort of gave a lot of people to a playbook and He he so babies kids was the speed he has that then became a movie and he died before the movie came out. But I think it's so interesting sort of what he did. I mean I have no idea of Mitch would be able to talk about his jokes folks. Mitch Hedberg jokes. I can recall that. I'm like an eye for personal bitch. What you WANNA talk about? Because it's possible that he's like I'm the one that I have that I think is the definitive Mitch joke which is a so. Why don't we D- and great but said man you have to wait? I'm like he might be like You know but but maybe as another thing. My definitive Hedberg joke. Now that you asked 'cause I'm interviewing you sure is I don't have a girlfriend just a girl who get really mad. She heard me say that. which is he's like? That's like an essay collection. Or that's like a that's like a heart bridge short story yeah I'm trying to think of other. I mean there's so many I mean it's like I I mean I just love to be in the same room as Gila radnor and be like whatever she wants to talk about. I think she brought an energy to Communist. Didn't exist that I think is more resonant now than it really was for decades in between and also to get back to the of like enjoying them imagine being in the room but she is a person you think about your. You almost are crying like I mean to. It's it's hard I mean like but when I think about as I said like the goal of when we're going to do these episodes about dead. Comedians is that we can have a kernel comedian. Maybe talk about Gilda Radner or or anyone like Or like personally Chris. Scholl who like I think people are extend things that did like people. There's like there's people in combat percents like ran. The former miles remained mild at worthies. Did this comedy didn't exist. They did it and now people had in them. And it's like how can we talk about those those moment. What do you think about Gilda? Radner is like comedic essence is more resonant or especially resonant. Now I mean I think there's I mean maybe in the last fifteen years oh because in the the joy it did not have tons of room in clubs comedy You know and and then when all comedy came the first version of everything of his alternative comedy especially the word alternative before we short all it was still kind of serious. It was like Jenn ACSI and like those dudes are bad and tell Janine Garage Dana. Yeah Mark Mark Mark Marin early pat in Confessional in a way now sort of old long stories and that was still not necessarily fun and then sort of the next generation happened where there was real freedom in these rooms yet. People that maybe would have had a sketch background doing stand up and you know you have people. The Christian child can exist. It's like part of what this is. It's going to be silly and it's fun and like that joy is a thing that comedy can be like comedy. There's like comedies. The surprise or comedy is like comedy can be just an energy and I think Gilda had an energy that like it you. It's a childlike innocence. And in a real way that I think every once in a while you like comedies. Remember that that's part of it. which is like we're grownups doing this silly thing and like that's because we're all these sort of grown people that were once children and we want to tap into that and that that is a thing that I think over last maybe twenty years there's been more room for anything was really useful for me Watching comedy was you. You know I grew up and I went to the console a lot one of like late teenage like it wasn't that type of thing and I got tired of it and I was able to get back into comedy because I saw these people that was doing that WHO Who are the people that got you back into it at Kristen and yeah so The it was yes. I didn't go for a while and a friend brought me to see comedy death ray before and the first week it was Hannibal Berra's this is is before he was anything since two thousand eight two thousand nine and I was like I've never seen anything like this. I remember the joke he was he went to a Thai restaurant gave them a whole apnea and they're essentially like there's there's bones in this is like I'm not I'm this. I'm not heathcliff it's not like there's not trash can. I'm not heathcliff or whatever and it's not like an amazing job just sort of like this guy speaking the language I evan and the next week was Kyle Kinane and I was like this is amazing. He did ten minutes just about this pizza menu saw and then once once and then I I can't remember how if 'cause Kristin was on flight of the conchords already and that was really breakthrough for me but when I saw stand up and I tell her she's my favorite comedian Indian As a person who likes silliness in Lakes Fun who likes deconstruction of form. She is. She's really doing it at a level all and she's really interesting in about it. I wish he was doing tons more. But she's a busy lady. She can do whatever she wants. So what are the. What are some trends in comedy that you find a really like exciting interesting? I mean the thing that is really fascinating and my colleague. Alex Young wrote the piece of the new piece all the time. So it's one of the great pieces of comedy writing and and I remember seeing this trend happening like Alex Fink put a finger on what is different about it and to explain the the piece which essentially the it's not just like there are gay comedians. Now it's that especially in Brooklyn it is a complete queering of the the comedy space especially in venues like hall and the bell the House in little fields. But also you're seeing Joe's pub which was more a sort of what we think of As a cabaret place seeing regular comedy. And that's an caveats and other replaces sort of walking this line and it. It's it's going to revolutionize comedy it's a thing that I wrote this big piece about the comedy boom and I had to write an and ending about what's next and I couldn't putting around and I'm so mad and then it's this which is when we make comedy audiences no tube the other part of it and that they should make the space safe in terms of like for creativity and for different types of people. Then you're getting people that did not feel comfortable in the space which is not just again not just like some gay comedians of people who are interested in sort of queering the space there are like maybe this thing for me and it's the thing that never existed. I said before I mean like I can name the name it's like what Katherine Cohen is doing. Feels revolutionary. It feels like obviously. They're sort of influences. But like I literally telling. I'm I'm so excited to see what happens when specially L. A. Club. COMEDIANS learned that this is happening. I'm like you guys don't know that there's a power to be a bunch of people and they're gonNA be singing and you're going to have to reconcile. What do you think comedy as with that Katherine Cohen Mat. Rogers Bone Yang is probably the most public example. What you're seeing of the Syrian? And they're changing comedy like Boeing. Already in one season has expanded the vocabulary of what can exist on. SNL and that is remarkable to live through. That is so exciting to me like I. It's to live in Brooklyn especially just like these people around. There's new people at adding to it. Once people catch up comedy won't be the same and that is that is so exciting. That is It's the most exciting thing at least a decade doc. Id that that piece that Alex Road I think about all the time it's like it's I'm so glad that that exists. Like look at this. This is its own. It's not it's not like a adaptation is like a very special specifically. We've talked a lot about comedy. Changing how have you a yourself changed since the time. You've been thinking about comedy analyzing writing about interviewing Comedians as as a professional. Yeah I mean I think I have have divorced myself from the idea of my taste. Be What judges. What I find interesting Completely I mean the the good news is that there's these people go. You can't analyze jokes. It ruins the comedy like well. I've done it literally probably more than anyone alive and I still laugh at comedy. Shows is a laugh at specials. I saw laugh at as an clips. You know like. And if that's the case I know certain moves people are doing and I'm not like completely cynical and I have become really sort of interested in the the idea of of communist of different types of people in different sort of value systems in which we judge different COMEDIANS. By and I you know in that sort sort of with I became much more. I would say mission oriented in terms of what we're trying to do. which is my goal to make better fans who to who you respond to more interesting comedy? Well who understand what people are doing so they can appreciated the way we do movies and music. It's it's Creating comedy literacy literacy like because I do think there's a problem where we don't know how to talk about it and it's like where often with comedy we just talk about. What's going to bad? Based as on what they say not how they say and and that has changed as I've had success over it and I realized what about it to me is sort of interesting cool and and that is sort of. I've just sort of like what I had to try to create to keep me motivated. What are the goals of this? And I think that sort of biggest change I became like mission oriented divorced from your taste is so interesting. 'cause on your The verse best special of the year. That where you talk to Katherine Venar Dunk She. She brought up like her critic as she wants to create a dependable taste. which is I I like those too? I've never thought I'm not a critic critic interviewer like myself as an SAS. Because it's like I don't think I'm right. It's matter of like what's with. Have a conversation about what this is. I have personal tatum. Happy to tell people personally about it but it's less interesting to me. What's interesting to me about? Is Judging understanding the people on the terms that they're trying to do so Jesse you and your podcast. Every week with a segment called the laughing around which is almost upon on lightning round. And you do it every week and every week you kind of laugh as you say Australia yourself in in front of a professional comedian with this nearly joke why do you do that. Yes so when I had the idea of that clumsy Puerto whatever which was really early on I had I when I started this show I did not. I essentially how the show started was a person in in the business side was like what's a thing that you need a bunch of money up front to justify doing a podcast and that was it. And that was the pitch that went out. And by by the grace of God and by that image apt how and then Pete Holmes they are promoting crashing and judd has a lot of control over his ad spent. He's like that. Maybe doesn't even know that he did that so I didn't have an idea for a show and then I sort of seeing the type of things I did which were like. I was reading about jokes and talking to a producer and I was like well things. Should you have a fun thing at the end. And then I was like we'll like lightning round and I was like. Oh you can call it a laughing round which because it's coming you know and I was like that that to me is me like I did feel? The show was not fully encompassing me until I thought that because it though I don't like demand everyone know that I'm like a a stupid person as well as I just think of myself that way end like I was like you know like what if people only podcast and they follow me on twitter. Like this guy's stupid stupid constantly said nothing smart and that to me is like once. I thought that I was like now this show. I know what the show is. It is going to include the sort of as deep of a thinkers. I can which is like I think about like money. Interviewed Lucas Brothers. This is the deepest conversation I've ever had life. And then I say a bad pun. And then why do it. Every episode is because people react differently. It's very funny because I don't know what they're gonNA say. Yeah and some some people very recently. Some people started liking it which is like I interviewed David Wayne and he liked it. I was like well. Here's a guy that would like it because it's it's like the joke is that this joke is like aggressively not quite right. Yeah and I just proven I'm like deep state of comedy or whatever and I'm like he it's and you know the listener. The guest does not know the not only do it every week but I say the sort of way explain explain the exact same. We've never which to me. I mean it's like eight again. It's it is a bit like Kristen. Schaal thing of like if you repeat things over and over again especially if it's so stupid there's there's something about like what is this guy who was this guy that would be like this is what funniest and it's so funny to me. I know people hate the sound around that I know and I change the sound. The sound to me is funny because I like the idea that the most serious question that ever ask the person is at the end and then I interrupt upped it to be like. Here's this noise and then I know people don't like laughing around much because they sort of like the most serious stuff but like that's me and unlike if I'm going to create this thing with so so much time into it I wanted to reflects her all of me and they're like might goal when interview people is not necessarily make about me. That small part is like that's me. That's what I've heard. Yeah Yeah Yeah Great. I love that answer. I truly was thinking about this question all day. I was like I know Jesse you'll have an answer to it. I wonder what that answer in my fair. It's not my favorite part of the show. By time I get to it. Also I'm like there's a relief of like did all the hard parts now and there's going to be the other part that will be sort of easy in I and people are allowed to pass. I'm like do you have an answer this now and I'm just like this is going to be out of desperation that's GONNA come. The funniest was when I interview Natasha. Jarrow and if you tesla she's She's a woman of great taste and she ended her husband. Moshe I and she's like all right. Listen to the episode Marsha and then I knew laughing around was gonNA come on. I knew she would hate it. Because she's like I believe in the things I believe in and And I was like and I did the thing and she's like oh I didn't listen to this part and I knew what you're saying. I might not have done the podcast if I knew there's going to be done so funny and to me that's beautiful. That's my fear reaction when a person hates hates it. I like to be like what are they thinking. This guy who literally has been so serious right out of nowhere and it's not like I did not vote you but it's like if at the end you're like can we take a picture and you throw up like Vashon fans other like. I thought this was a different guy. Okay I have a couple of quick questions for are you The last work of comedy that made you laugh out loud. Oh God I mean the last thing that made me truly you die was ice. I thought I watched every episode of detroiters. I thought I did. Yeah and then I was having a bad week and I there's like I'm going to watch the second season because I definitely we watched the first season. Yeah and then I saw this episode and it was like I haven't seen this before and and it and so there's a joke There's three it's incredible episode. But there's three storylines it's a weird episode where it's not advertising base in the. There's the Tim Robinson Story Line and is a colleague of his wife dies and And he then goes to the Widower and or the widow the widow or I can't remember which ones such and he's like well if you need anything. I'm happy to come over. And he's like come over on Saturday and so he's like he I guess so he comes over and this guy is so glum and so weird as the show is and he's like having him do chores and he goes like in the the person with the deceased wife was like Can you make sandwiches. Can you make me sandwiches and sandwiches when she's like whatever it looks like. Gloria always make sandwiches and he's like now she's sandwiches for worms. I paused. I'm like crying laughing in a way that I shouldn't as point of comedy so what I was just like that is so funny to me. I sort of needed this laugh. Jeff and I. It was like a gift to have this new episode. I mean immediately do know that I've seen that and I thought maybe it's like maybe it did it air or something. 'CAUSE 'cause I've I think I've also seen all the plot. Is Sam dates person who who he talks like black around this person he's dating sorta be plot Maybe I've seen it but I just it was the last thing Who What is the the comedian or the work of comedy that you revisit the most frequently? Oh that's interesting. You know what the real answer is. No realize it's the bow the ending of Bo Burnham and I'm special and I don't know why right it's not even like I don't even like a big laugh adducing moment it's like the songs good and it conveys so something and I do think it really is a pinnacle of an art form and I just for some reason. I'm in a mood. I just want to see it and I want to consume it and I think it is like a bit bit of a Talisman whatever the word Talisman means of not even my like of reminding myself sort of what I'm interested in but also I think may because it's just like because it's music you can listen to music and over again Yeah I it's like that and sort. Every once in a while pop star the the soundtrack of POPs are. It's yeah. The music is so catchy. What like joke vizier question? What job if you could have as a joke you have written would you? Would you want to steal and deploy as as your own witticism. Oh you know. It's it's hard to say. What is it didn't it doesn't have to be what did thinking about like you know I have done writing? And it was like the Thirty Rock Jokes folks that I'm just sort of wish I had and Banal sort of his different immed- something different so I don't know if it works but let me make sure if I have now well the short answer and then I will end with this other one because funnier which is I always imagined. I did stand up there. I had a sort of idea of You know it's like it was the good thing about being a late bloomer. You don't have all these memories of sexual experiences with teenagers And and I wanna say this 'cause then Pete Holmes wants rift it like one time live is like yeah. It's like it's weird when you imagine having like kissing this fourteen year old that you you have in your head that as a you have that memory and yeah and I was like well. I wish he didn't say that because then I could just have it as a bad point. That's very like in the Pete Holmes World because he also has the joke about like. I'm lucky that the thing that I'm into sexually isn't yet criminal. Yeah and then the jokes I wish sort of I wrote I guess is and now as you'll see why by which was in thirty rock Kenneth is trump. has this idea for a show and goes. I told her to move all of us move at at at at CBS and over at CBS. And so it's and then he then cut do a cut away to a man with Munoz's vest. It's so funny that's one of the hardest. I mean I the residents of investor now but then the that's already funny and it's so fun and then move moon vest. The character goes. GimMe Your your fingernails. which is so funny? And then every then the way Kenneth Jack mcbrayer goes no is. He's like every joke. I would ever write it and he's able to be like I want that. The first is great. The second joke is an escalation and then sort of like the third joke is both it s firms reality is so short and sort of performs away like that is like my kids love so much We'll Jesse thank you for appearing in your thank you my pleasure Jesse where can people this podcast coming back February twenty fifth February twenty fifth And Israel you'll see it but I've been on a bit. I've been JOSH GOVERNMENT CAN I. That's it for another episode. Goodwin returns on February twenty fifth. And we're going weekly. You can buy or stream Josh's albums that's where you get music by his book. Nice try wherever you get books. Follow Josh on social at Josh gunman come see a live. Recording of good one on April second at Union Hall in Brooklyn Tickets are on sale. Now good owners produced by myself. Jilani Carter and Art Justin de Right. Did our theme song writer viewing rate the show on Apple. 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Talkin' The Draft: LSU iOL Damien Lewis

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Talkin' The Draft: LSU iOL Damien Lewis

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Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks what's up guys. This is Connor Lives. And this is another edition of talking the draft. Today I am joined by Damian Lewis. Lsu Interior offense alignment. What's going on Damian? How are you tonight? And I'm doing a good grades beyond your pocket. You know really doing living the life over here right now. Praying gives us a good place to start. Where where are you currently training atten Prepare for the combine here in about a week but Where are you at right now? And kind of take us through a day. In the life of Damian Lewis Right now right now you know straight grant right now at eight P with Duke Man. Wasn't you know waking? Up Monday through Saturday. You know early in the morning going out. Dancing drag no no day though dukes man. He's probably the best offense ally coach grew out. There you know the well respected around league. He he's a he's a he's a very very highly respected guy around the league in to to work with those off seasons. GotTa be a huge honor And he's probably getting this combine coming up in a few weeks Take us through that man. You know you you got about a week. He had Indianapolis You're going to be going through all the drills air and all the strength trainings and everything you know. Got Bad working with do he. Crying for there and you know going on during skill. Where is it going to take Nico this and we're so all that What we're doing right now if they want me to come back and so you know doing right. And we all transferred over to the combat soldiers. Got What I get. What's He got you working on the most right now at Nj peers at more of the athletic side of things as a more of a drill side of things kind of I guess. What's the emphasis right now? Oh we do it all door take me. We do a skill most everything they take place combat. We do it all so do burp every day. And I'm just curious. I always love getting the answers to this question but obviously the combine one of the most important things. There's the interview process and I know you gotTA. I guess a sneak peek of the interview process at the senior bowl. Not too long ago but The the combine interview process is a little. I guess you could say a little bit. More legit more formal Have Have you been working? You know they train you guys on that as well but what's that one question that you're hoping you get asked at the combine Well right now we already trained. Every someone at the end of course knows some people have done. Some people question about your background so right now. We still train. All of the question is at Google Say out so it really doesn't matter so couple at the end of the day the question gotta get out so we over here the train good deal good deal cooman and that combines coming up fast The senior bowl was not too long ago. It might feel like a longtime for you. Who who's been training for this combine. It sure feels like it was ages ago but You had a really really great week and mobile at the senior bowl. I'm one of the best weeks anybody there I know going into that week was a big week for you to Kinda just prove that. Yeah you know like I was on an offense with all his talent. But but I'm I'm I'm I'm just as talented as those guys and you went there that week display that all week in the game How important was that week for you to go down to mobile and You know why you want to stay with the Lsu Kinda detach herself from that a little bit and kind of make that money on your own you know real big from you know a hey I wanNA late. Roman guy at and relate day you know calm you talk to people. I couldn't believe it and I would like a we call me and I said real like this ablaze and thanking a buying me so I went and not so the soaking my talent. So Gal what I got to take but applauding as loudly into go out there and compete you know compete with some other great Band defend defensive player out there so I didn't want to go out there and say you know playing it and see it on tape and now you're going out with some of the Great Ball and you got two blocks of some. Really talented defense alignment in that in that senior bowl week was there's somebody a particular kind of stands out to you from that week there was just you know he always gave you a little bit extra. Whether was from the competitive side of things from the skill side of things. Was Their defense alignment from mobile. That you can point to and go man I got. It was legit. You Great Dad thing. They came along the praying going into Europe late. Gotcha yeah and he's he's like yourself you know he's a guy that's rising up big coming into the combine to Woman great you know really excited. Kinda see this combine kickoff. You're a little bit. See how you do there. was awesome to see live in person at the senior bowl. I did want to dive into a little bit of Your Your High School Community College career before you got to. Lsu A coming out of high school Can you talk a little bit about your recruiting process coming out of high school where you're looking to go on the kind of what led you to Northwest Mississippi community? College bird you know from small town can like fifteen minutes from death and you know the capital of You know it's just a small school where no went to no coaches. No recruiter calm. They try to look at kids and they're trying to recruit kids from their school. No real small school so we had in. I doubt we did work real already. Really care about the offers and stuff. Well I care about. I'll share 'cause I worked for. Nobody's company company towns. They tried to recruit kids. I had an where I'm not gonNA give up on my dream right now. I'm going to try to you. Know go to his mouth. I think I believe me way. Be Real so I took the ducal around and also community cloud up in San Antonio so I went there. There's great things there And then I to be out from English and I made the base of talk a little bit about at Northwest Mississippi Juke. Route is is a route that maybe a lot of people are familiar with it. They don't really understand the grind of going to junior college You know it's not probably not anything like Lsu where you you don't have the the athletic money. You don't have the offers scholarships you don't have the the nice locker rooms and all that you've really got grind to become a player that that Lsu once you I'm sure those few years Northwest Mississippi really molded. You into the guy you are today and got she recognized. Lsu But is there anything that you take away from your community college days that when you come into? Lsu You feel like that made you into a better player coming into a big program as Lsu is like coming like from high school to Do Co. had zero office. I play with a chip on my shoulder. It really felt like that. I've been overlooked. People like you know slept on me. So I To go into really Powell level up to a whole different person would in one year and got a lot of that went year so it really just a whole gran like it's another Football night people think do go. Football real bad is not a place that you consider yourself. You want to go to light coming out. You don't WANNA say bad. It's thinking they want to go to you. WanNa get the best deal on offer? So the people go to sprout and they got the grants. Ain't nobody going to beat a who had been going to help you wake you up every morning. They're gonNA give you money but a gift to fool you really got some day and so they they really got it up the grand on Yom Moti. Went coaching really going to approve. You got fans with the Internet. And do he's GonNa be a boom. You hit it right there and I know coming out of high school. You actually played some on the defensive side of the ball to. Did you go to junior college? As a offense alignment or were you recruited as a two way Guy Kinda. How were you going there to play guard at it? Jewish community college knows the spangling play opens land. But I knew what I WANNA has passed and I wanNA play on the networks so I went and clean no other position in school. I played around involved. Gotcha Gotcha okay. Cool and high. I'm Jesse Dave Fox senior editor vulture and host of the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. Every week I interview comedian writer performer. About one of their jokes the joke income from their Santa Special Saturday night live sketch or song or even a book. We break down the joke and figure out how it works. What inspired it and what it says about their sense of humor for comedy fans. It's a serious discussion about the craft of jokes and for interview fans. It's really funny. Conversation between two people who have a lot to say about comedy profanities sex advice. Podcast might not be exactly what you're looking for. Maybe it's something to talk about after all sex. Your habit. New episodes of good one come on every Tuesday. Starting February. Twenty fifth. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or in your favorite podcast APP from vulture in Vox media podcast network. Have a good one cooman. So you go to you go to Jacobo. North West Pacific Union College you get to Lsu in two thousand eighteen and you start every game as a junior at Lsu. How important and how cool was that to go to a program like Lsu from junior college walk right in start every game and just kind of dominate. From the word. Go Right. I felt I felt the economy out of work that I put in. Have AND DO Co. I felt like I didn't do it. I had to do a lot more. You know what I'm saying. I had to do a lot more to my G- aimed to advance mellow. I made it to Lsu. And I did turn it up and not Work with some great teammate. My coaches got me right. Tom MOFFATT and weight room being increased on my knowledge. More often landon tuneup. Not because I had all the tubes and go in ahead of the two and a half but I rented land up all going to La really based on like booze my game of owner throwing games as zone. You you know doing this break go made on Catholic store everything then playing for the lsat not big old big pal team so you know what a great team playing for those teams. Were blessed with me. You know just coming from a small town and plan for the type of team right They have no offer savings so it really no moment's thing wave me tweeting ran away base and I know in two thousand eighteen year at Lsu. You guys kind of started to to round into shape at the end of the season. Did even you did. Did the team at all in two thousand eighteen. Think that you guys were going to have the season of two thousand nineteen that you had the undefeated national championship season. Go who game. So you know we WANNA way Nestle turn to when we knew coming into the The we have all of that aid. Everybody's wealthy to what we're trying to do. Everybody will accountable holding on weight every Basil Airbag. Trust me inside them so we knew what we had to do. We had to come in put list waiting until we doing our is they give you there. We get when we did everybody. It's it's incredible to watch you guys play in two thousand nineteen because you look on the often side of the ball. You guys probably the best quarterback in college football of all time. The season he had last year. You have to Alzheimer's Devers. You have to awesome tight ends. You have great defenders in every level but when you kind of tie it all back it all comes back to offensive line. You know the big three with yourself. Cushenberry Charles you guys kind of set the tone for that that team and that offense is that a feeling that that you think that locker room shares as well while you do have. Nfl talent all over the field. All kind of comes back to the three big guys on that front that front line. That are protecting borough given the Edwardsville airtime to find holes in make runs it. All kind of comes back to you guys. Is that kind of attitude. And is that the kind of narrative that you think that that fits that? Lsu Two thousand nineteen season on no doubt. You know don't happen without the if you don't know Kotil. He always come around to you over the big. He loves recruiting big. He'll come say that in many star with the big either France won't do now without so we get going it whole team get going. We won't get you know. High Bear better. Get everybody rose. Kerr napping rolling down the whole team down so we can never be that we all one thing about. Oh Land We gotta be up now got time. It'd be accountable and get the get the road so we won't Communicate Hannah bid and they're mad at going and you take a look at you guys schedule in two thousand nineteen. You played Texas. Who has defensive Lineman Galore Allburn who has to top Defense Alignment Alabama who always has a good defense align Texas A. and M. Oklahoma Georgia Clemson Was it like just kind of going up against so much town? That had to help your preparation for this this. Nfl Year where you went up against so much. Nfl talent in your senior year to Lsu. You know like when you see every week long phases like two or three to play. I've been gone to the lead. So we prepare is Coaching do a great great jobs if apparel but On the field and you know both now we have good mean group this. I mean that we do. Do you know these religious tone everything down and they tell us We got this this another nut around. We do like fifteen around like the Boston so we got this the first day. Kill that second third. Now we feel hanging around with Clem. And so is the We got to go night rocky and drink drink. Huawei Wayne come here to do so. We say we don't give it all out there by the again and so we told you to give it all up and then when we did game out everything that's all. I WanNa talk about that game. A Little Bit National Championship game between you guys. Clemson one of the Best National Championship Games. I remember watching. And just of all really in recent history. It was a fantastic game I know going into that halftime in the first half you guys probably probably didn't perform to the level that you wanted to both offensively and defensively. What were the halftime talks? Like at halftime when that game was maybe a little too close for comfort for you guys beyond the which are big. Nobody on health. Because I know we talk with. We already told him to what we come here to do. Like no matter. Don't need to get up of an ad. We already know we need to do so. I feel like everybody inside of school and tickets like me form in for like we supposed to do and everybody really went out and they were. They were in town. I believe they play the bass order now winning going onto the plane. And all we've been doing hosie don't chain be off the LSU B. L. She that's great. That's a great way to put it Just for the fans in a lot of probably the Lsu fans more than anything. Listen to this you know. I know coach order on He's really known A lot of people know him by name and the you know his his his southern accent but but describe coach order on in a way of from an offensive lineman. A guy that you said you know is very keen. On recruiting his offense alignment. He's very close with his offense alignment. Just just talk about coach. Oh Doron and the impact that he's had on your life and your career as a football player. You know Coz like a father to me you know. He came to recruit me him himself in Cain to go to go. He came back so he recruited me. Canada recruit me as a no to me on his way. I do laugh like big for them. He came look me directly at the new ones who played for La all state scholarship. As I want to be a title CONTENDER DOWN WITH MY DREAM. You know what went they? They write the really my cane with Louise. Home accompanied by a lot of people calling me up so dealing with staining south on good so so I'm down really thanks for that. You know for him off to let me been part of their team. They're playing around like a teammate. Been on history thing. I bless. You know great coach. Great falls of guys The player he's GonNa be anywhere you go. It's going to be hard but you know great guys. Elta you're on the lead you in the right direction makes it. He gets a bit you know. He's a great gal. Really clear on really you know really great for sure for sure Cooman I don't have any more questions for you get you out of here For the for the guys listening girls listening. Who who might not be familiar Damian Lewis. What's a player that you kind of model your game after that's either in the NFL? Maybe even in college Somebody that if they WANNA look up Damian Lewis and they want to know who he as a player who somebody parable that you. Kinda game after. I say you know I look at cow. Robinet Gray Rob Dole not real At the mall and again running religion Guy Everywhere and always love getting my my answers to this scale. If you were in my shoes in euro writing a scouting report on yourself and you you know you. You had to go through and you had to talk about the strengths. Talk about the weaknesses. What would you say are some of your strengths and some of the things that you Kinda WanNa see yourself improve on over these next few months already most out again in the band game you know and you know right good in the borders? Get along Norwegian guys at a key ball human genes that you know you and if there's a few things that you do want to clean up on these next few months what those be placed. Gotcha Gotcha great man. I really appreciate you coming on. This is a lot of fun Again it was really cool to hear your your your success story coming from high school to junior college to Lsu and then having you talk a little bit about this the last few years for yellow shooter and then ended with the National Championship. And now you're getting ready to embark on probably one of the biggest biggest years of your life Being drafted into the NFL. And and get your get your shine there. So thanks so much Damian for coming on. This was a lot of fun. Thank you of course. Good luck next week at the combine. This was cornered Livesey with NFL draft. Talk today we are all Damian Lewis. Lsu Interior offensive linemen one of the top interior guys in this class. Kobe at the combine next week. You probably saw him at the senior bowl and you're going to hear his name a lot more here recently. So make sure you get familiar with him if you're a team in need of interior offensive line. He's a guy to know again Damian. Thanks so much for coming on and we will see you

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The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: NFL Free Agency

Big Blue View

26:27 min | 5 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: NFL Free Agency

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We don't know by the time that this show is potentially released if that information might change but there's been an indication from the NFL that none of that stuff should be impacted. We were talking before the show that there really should not be any issues. Considering teams can send contracts through emails. They can have those things signed and then sent back and scanned. All that stuff can be done. Remotely at obviously hinders the ability to have visits with free agencies with Free agents rather in all of those things will still have to monitor the situation and hopefully things do continue. In on the sixteenth. There is an actual free agency and we can still keep discussing this and giving you the content that we intended to so today's show like we were planning on this Friday liquid always do. We're giving you the mail bag this time. It is free agency related. Most of the questions that we have for today's show our free agent questions as we pulled on facebook and instagram and also for our email however our first question that we have is more scheme based so we figured we address that first and then hit on all of the remaining free agent questions that we have here on tap. That first question is from a listener. Who sent in via email as named Sean in his question is if you had to guess. Do you think things could go south real quick? If it's too much implying the new scheme from Patrick Graham implemented for the new giants defense or was a just or was the coaching just not there with Becher sti the common theme from what. I'm getting is that. Graham wants to run a multiple and fluid scheme. What are your thoughts on this and how it could impact the young links compared to bechers defense. So there's a lot of new things are going to be coming into play a completely new defense implemented by the former defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins this past season before he came over with Joe Judges Staff. We have an understanding of what that schemes GonNa look like because he was using it in Miami and we actually had big blue's own knicks lotto detail in breakdown. What defense does so Chris? Can you kind of elaborate in give the short version of what Nick addressed and also we can really expect here? Yes sure I'd just like to say before right off the bat when we put the post for this podcast up we will be linking to nick's piece so I encourage everybody. Especially if you get this podcast from I tunes or spotify or wherever you if you aren't getting it right from big blue view go to BBB and look at the post for this and read Nick space because it is excellent. What Graham liked to do with the dolphins does he did not have much talent to work with at all. I mean every moss was a starting edge in his defense. So what he'd like to do is try to use. Stunts slants a lot of games. Upfront elected run. A lot of games up front to try to get numbers advantages for his defense. Try to get three offensive linemen blocking two defensive players which we create a free run for a third defensive player now. Those sorts of things do require a lot of communication a lot of attention to detail from the players. They have to have their timing right. They have to know who is going. Where whose job is what they need to execute so I think the coaching and the teaching aspect will be huge with this defense. I it's it's a brand new scheme brand new language all of that so obviously coaching going to be huge and I find myself saying it almost every day. Coaching matters so having the teachers during the week behind the scenes putting in the work that we frankly aren't going to see we're only going to see the results on Sunday. That is going to be big. And I think that was one of the issues with veterans defense over the last two years. The fact that the giants coaching staff never really seemed to click and we kept seeing the same mistakes over and over and over again which does point to an issue with coaching. Even more so than any issues with the scheme the other thing. I think we will see from Patrick. Graham is a willingness to simplify and hopefully coach to the talent. He has which was something we saw in Miami. He just didn't have a lot of talent to coach. If communication is becoming an issue with the defense I would hope end at least a little bit. Expect him to cut down on the things that need communicating at least until the defense starts to get traction the guys start to get fluent in it now. The other part of the question is how does this impact? The young players a lot of that will be coaching. Another part of it will be what veterans the giants bringing. Because right now. They don't really have a veteran corps on their defense. I mean right now Antoine Buffet. And we don't really expect him to stick around other than that. It's basically Dalvin Tomlinson and yet that's about it for their veteran players so I would expect the giants and this leads into our free agency questions. I would expect the giants to invest in veteran players for their defense. Hope that veteran players can help smooth the transition over into this new defensive skied as you can tell. There's a lot of things that really come into play. Just things run smoothly and I'm sure there is a ton of communication between Dave gettleman Patrick Graham and Joe Judge to find those specific pieces that are gonNA fit and work well with this with this defense and also coach up guys so they can learn and compete and go out there and execute things at a high level. The first question that we have is now free agency related. This is from always giants on instagram. They're asking should we sign? Kyle van Noy. That's pretty simple question right there. Well depends on how you want to use? Kyle van Noy in where you think. He'll be an impact player. I think that if you swing and miss on a bunch of these other linebacker available free agents Calvin could serve as a very good piece in your defense. He was originally drafted by the Detroit. Lions he was he was with them for two and a half years until the Patriots acquired him and that was really where we saw the uptick in production from him in his two and a half years with the lions he had all of one sack and basically his first two years. He had sixteen tackles so he really did nothing before signing on with the Patriots and the bulk of his production has really comes sense. Basically Bill Belichick took over personal control of the defense now. I'm not saying the giant should stay away from him. They should on US saying they should not sign him. But I think we should recognize that van. Noy Really wasn't a productive player until the best coach in the history of the game. Got His hands on them so if the giants signed him I hope they pay close attention to what the Patriots did in how they used him. And fortunately they do have some insight into that with Bret Bielema End Joe Judge on the staff but I think we should also kind of temper expectations and maybe not expect a ten stacks out of him maybe kind of settled for the five sacks maybe that level of production so just. I'm not saying they shouldn't but we should go into a potential vanoy signing with our eyes. Open it certainly does help that. He has that connection to a number of the coaches on the giants. Coaching staff and that that could help that situation further. If they think they can get the most out of impossibly but like you said it is a bit up in the air because he did previously play with another team and it took until he was a new England Patriot for them to really get that top in production out of him. It's also kind of hard to really understand how he'd project in Patrick. Graham's defence I don't fully know if would be a complete scheme fit but the real only connection we have right now here is from the fact that Bret Bielema and Joe Judge or previously his coach. That's really the only connection that is really making that possibility. Our next question that we have from Psalm. Vlado from Instagram is asking is Byron Jones. The better option to sign the Judean cloudy. I said this previously on the defensive show if they can sign both of them. I fully encourage them to do so. It's going to cost them a ton of money but if you're willing to spend an address both of those needs you should might as well do it but if we're picking one over the other. I'm going to say that that cloudy in my opinion would be the better option because while he does not have tremendous production in his past. Having a top pass. Rusher can elevate the performances of everyone else on your defense. You can help the secondary. He can linebackers if he plays well. Also with a good defensive line he can really off and and have a good first year with the giants if they sign him. If you have a guy like cloning that creates pressures and causes problems for opposing offenses. That will have a huge huge impact. Yeah I I would say. All of the things being equal you. Basically equal contracts. I would probably err on the side of cloudy I have to admit I was a fan of his coming out at not just because of the hit but yeah I think he can have that kind of almost multiplicative impact on the rest of the defense said in will get into this. This does lead into our next question. I am not sure if the amount of money it's going to take to sign him is really worth it. I obviously if you want elite pass rusher you have to invest in it. You either have to invest a high draft pick or a lot of money and cloudy is probably the best pass rusher. The giants can get at this point. They probably unless things go very differently from how we think they might or think they will. The giants are probably not going to be getting chase young and then the other top pass rushers will probably be off the board before the giants get a chance to pick again at the top of the second round so if they want to add an elite pass rusher or at least an elite athlete at the edge position. It's probably going to have to be cloudy. However the difference between cloudy contract end what Byron Jones will likely get paid. Could also add them a good pass rusher and then they could maybe go for a little bit more of a quantity over quality track which is an ideal but the floss for Jagger. You don't you can't always get what but if you try sometimes you can get what you need. That was a heck of a poll there. For for that quote it is really going to be interesting to to see. Actually what happens if they get either of them if they can get both of them or if they can at least get one or the other because either player is going to have a huge impact. It's it's really the question so hard to answer fully because it's almost like a one a one answer because if he one answer is not more right than the other. They're both good answers. If you get Byron Jones the secondary improve significantly which is important facing offenses that have prolific passing attacks. But if you get Tavon county that's also going to elevate everyone around him and the defensive line the linebackers you name it. There's really no downside but rather a speculation of which is going to be slightly more positive than the other assistant and honestly I think your initial reaction was was most right if possible. Just signed both of them. It'll cost forty million dollars but that still leaves you another thirty to spend elsewhere depending on what you want to do with it. So it's a ton of money but I don't think it's unreasonable with the amount of cap space. The giants have right now and the amount of cap space that they'll have in the future. We have three more questions left for you on today's show. But before we get to them we're GONNA take a very short commercial break. Hey while you're listening to this PODCAST T. Mobile was busy building the largest five G. Network in America. Well into it all during this one podcast spent years improving their network to be ready for the future. Wireless Five G. Well the future is here and it's nationwide. T. Mobile's five G. network is over five thousand cities covering more than two hundred million Americans. It's five g service you can actually use even in places where other signals just get locked like living room or a bank vault. Okay well quite not the last one. Now's the time you get ahead of the five G. Game Not picked the first largest and only nationwide five G. Network go to t DASH MOBILE DOT COM BETSY DASH mobile dot com capable device required coverage not available in some areas downlink. Only some uses may require certain plan or features. Cat DASH MOBILE DOT COM. This is Jesse Dave Fox. I'm senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. Podcast about well jokes every week. Sit Down with a comedian. Comedy Writer Director. We listen to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pin. The head and physically write down. Everything has not my style turns out. Comedians take jokes pretty seriously. I like all joke okay. That's what I do. That's what I live. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing guy. I'm not I'm not sure. Mark Curse good one from culture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcasts. At do not use the podcast APP. Oh let a great question Jesse David Fox. Next up out of the break. Our question is coming from the better me. Eleven from instagram. He is asking. Do you think we should sign clowney or use that money to add more players so just for the sake of making this a a broader question. Why don't we approach it in? Is it better to sign one of these top five guys or is it better to sign multiple players to fill multiple needs? I'm going to say I would rather sign clowney Byron Jones one of those players rather than sign a bunch of smaller guys for smaller contracts in most cases actually rather than this case quality is much better than quantity new could sign a number of players for five million dollar deals that are towards the bottom of this available free agent list. But does that really improve your defense? Does it make a splash? Does it have the huge impact? Maybe you go and sign guys that are scheme specific that you know if you work with them they will have impact years. Maybe maybe that's the better option but as of right now signing a big player that is going to have a huge impact in improve the performances of everybody around him that is in assessing especially considering how bad the giants defense last year. The need to bring in someone that is of above average two elite quality of player and talent. Yeah I definitely agree. I'm not exactly sure that's cloudy. I as I just said I am a fan of his. I think he can have a tremendous impact. I would take a long look at Dante. Fowler yet another guy we brought up in our best available defensive free agents show and he might be a little bit more affordable and he might be able to well rather he would improve the defense he would give them a productive veteran and also his contract might allow the giants to sign another good player yet maybe one of the linebackers that are available for a similar price as they could get four. Just cloudy next question. We HAVE FROM. Daniel owes mar from instagram. He is asking who is the most important free agent to sign. Well we've been talking about basically the same two guys and I completely agree with your point that you just had there. Chris about maybe cloudy isn't the best option. Because he's going to be so expensive but I think regardless adding some type of top level pass rusher is important. I don't WanNa get too specific. I'm Yenisei that Clowney is at the top of my list but a pass rusher has been a need for the giants since they got rid of Jason. Pierre Paul they have not really had a splash. Homerun type pass rusher. They can make big place. Marcus golden had ten sacks last year. But you didn't really feel that impact from him. He didn't have much production. Besides more specific games there were games that he had two sacks here to sex there there were some games where he wasn't really on the board that much they need someone that is going to have a significant impact in the pass rush. And it's clear that in today's NFL. You need a top level. Pass rusher for your defense to work. Well yeah definitely at in honestly if you can arrange it. It to top level pass rushers. You've only was that simple. Get One on one side one for the right side. Eventually you'll find the matchup that works but I actually got to go to the other side of the ball. And I'm going to say Graham glass cow center slash guard recently cut by the Detroit. Lions is seen a lot of people wondering what the Lions were thinking why? They made that move end. Frankly I have no idea. Glasco has basically been their best and most consistent lineman. He's durable. He doesn't Miss Games. He's versatile and he's a good blocker so I would actually make a strong run at him because I think even with Jack. Conklin Glasgow is now the best offensive lineman on the market and he fits right in the giants offensive line at a position of dire need John. Colapinto was not great and he's dealing with ruptured Achilles Spencer pulley basically over a season stretched between twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen showed. Why the chargers let him walk and it's not like they have great offensive line. Who COULD SPARE SPARE TO LOSE HIM? So I really shore up the middle get an actual experienced starting center. Who CAN IDENTIFY PRESSURES? Who can call protections who can be that kind of keystone peace in the middle of your offensive line? That will make will Hernandez's life easier that will make Kevin Zeitler life easier and it would make Daniel Jones's life easier before Glasgow Glasgow was released. We didn't really have a a top quality guy that we were pushing for the giants to sign we were saying maybe Connor McGovern. We weren't entirely sure if there was that type of guy available but now the Glasgow is available. He is at the top level of his position and he could step right in. Play huge dude and have an incredible impact for an offensive line. That really is missing an anchor in the middle. Our last question from parent I nine is asking even though we already have Alex Tanny. Should we seek another quarterback in free agency or in the draft to answer this question? I'd much rather have a additional quarterback signing in free agency rather than the draft and my reasoning for. That is that it's not that I don't trust Alex Tanny. I'd rather have a a higher quality backup than him if you're bringing a rookie. That doesn't really make a lot of sense when you have a second year quarterback if you have that second year quarterback we've seen with other teams do intentionally. You gotta go out and get a veteran guy that can step in and play at a moment's notice if things go wrong. The bears have chased Daniel. Who is now a free agent you have teams like the Eagles with Carson Wentz? Signing someone like Josh mccown. Who can step in and play in a moment's notice if something happens that veteran presence as your backup is so key in the development and also the general presence of your team compared to bring in a rookie. If you bring an undrafted rookie backup quarterback. Well he's going to take some time to develop. Is he actually going to stick around Would he get pushed to the practice squad? You really don't know what that fit is going to be. It's it's really not as smart to go out there and draft a rookie to be your backup. If you're unsure of what you're getting how long it's GonNa take for him to develop and if you're not even going to really play him you're better off spending those picks on other positions of need and trying to fill out the rest of your of your roster. Yeah I agree in general however if a quarterback that you maybe have like a fifth round great on happens to slip to one of the giants. Many seventh round draft picks. I would not mind them spending that on that quarterback just because you never quite know and having a young guy you can develop. Eventually he could become a trade ship. Something other teams have done with pretty good success. I think most notably the eagles in the packers but just having a young quarterback and maybe even double deputy get a another veteran. Backup TO BATTLE WITH ALEX. Tanny to improve the quarterback to position. And then maybe you have a young guy like say maybe nate Stanley or rice perkins made Stanley out of Iowa or brace perkins out of Virginia. Both both of you are big athletic. Guys they've got athletic upside but they're not really polished passers. Maybe you could develop one of those guys as your quarterback three with whoever the best veteran Left standing is as your quarterback too. I think that's with the number of late round picks the giants have. I think that's something that's at least worth considering. Depending on how the draft board falls all right. That's all of the final questions that we have here regarding free agency on the mail bag episode. Hopefully everything goes according to plan and we have free agency to discuss next week. Be Sure to rain. 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Best Standup Specials of 2019 (Part 2)

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

58:58 min | 8 months ago

Best Standup Specials of 2019 (Part 2)

"I just WanNa take a moment from this podcast to tell you about a podcast. This episode is brought to you by the justice that can Rosenthal Vanity Project. Are you tired of safe. PODCAST comedy than listen. Listen to the Jessica Rosenthal Vanity Project. The Titular Rosenthal is Greg Rosenthal who works as an analyst for the NFL network. And the Jessil Nick. Is Anthony Justin at the meeting meeting. Who Know from his episode of this podcast WHO The ad copy describes as a famous media personality which I think is very funny which I think Anthony would find very funny? They've been best friends for twenty ears and now they have a podcast where the only goal seems to be getting fired each and every week well listen in anti Greg and their producer. Erica scorch everything from trending topics to sports news. Each Other. They're seriously I believe the Puck is supposed to be sports broadcast but they almost never talked about sports. 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I hope you're enjoying these bonus episode. I appreciate your patience. So here's Catherine I and the best damn specials a two thousand nineteen number five Nikki Glazer's banging yes banging. Why well to talk once again about this idea that a special can be one idea that it can be one thing that you to exhaust that you explore so thoroughly? That part of the joke is the by about forty minutes and you think there can be nothing else to to say about this. And then the master that's being displayed is actually got twenty twenty more minutes and they are if anything weirder and funnier and stranger than this all of the setup and so I think there is also a way that women in particular have to try to demonstrate their they are coolness and funniness by talking about sex and do beginning. I was like that is what is happening here. This is just sheer. Like I'm one of the cool cool ones and I'm in on the joke except the way that all of these jokes work. Is you start with this. Like I'm one the cool ones and I totally have sex all the time and and I think it's amazing and then each time. Those jokes get filtered filtered through and flipped so that it actually is about how often giving blow jobs is clearly excruciating women or about about the way that Being sober changes your experience of sex that she is still trying to that if she's still finding all of these sources of humor in but that you watch her perspective actually change halfway through this special so that I you think is. I was really impressed. I was I was. I was upset at the beginning and then as soon as I figured out what it was actually going to be. I began to see was much more like like in music. You do this thing where you have a theme and variations and the the entire impressive. The thing about it is the way you take this very simple idea and then just create it into a whole elaborate motifs that you could never have expected this theme variations on on. I just have no rhythm I have no natural rhythm and so I thank you take the wheel. I don't know what you want. You just don't have a good sense of rhythm. I may be able to show you a good time if you'd like a metronome on your nightstand. But it's most girls do not that like when you grab their head and just hold it and fuck it but I truly appreciate the gesture and then I can focus on what. I'm actually good at which is going to be surviving surviving this blowjob because my breathing is now up to you. Good Sir 'cause you don't seem to understand it. I can't breathe when your Dick is in my head so I hope you let me get a couple of guests in here and there. I was feeling I'm lost. Let's see what I'm sucking Dick and I'm just like emerging in just getting sucked back under I got a time a perfectly sexist views you know like if you watch old specials is a little bit closer. What do you think it's mixed in with other stuff and it talks about dating more and this is really special daily is it and I think she is so good at writing jokes your regular parts of the job of saying like just riding masturbating debating is being a one man band is the job of being a great job greater one of the things where it she she treat my head like a birdhouse is you know it's why she's a joke? It's like that thing but she clearly had a goal. You know so much Whitney as a comedian that goes directly at things and so she's like I'm GonNa talk about me too. I'm GonNa say the word Metoo. Nikki has a prison which she does comedy and this was a special. Shaw was not about Sexual assault or sexual misconduct really is about like not that. We just need to teach teach young men to not rate people or not salt people but we have to like determine what good sex is for both people. Yeah and the like that is what a special about which is like the sort of throat clearing of like I'm woman a sexual object. Isn't that cool to be like. I realized I want sex to beat good thing due to be cool. Yeah and be complete part of her like it's not like they're so many contrary points of view that she has about the type of sexually wants to have who wants to have it with but the core of that is like a very clear message that I think is the step back even before. Are we like like what when he has this question. What would you now of the many things like people should have sex? They want to have and and not prioritize not sent hermens pleasure around that and it is by being an assault on the subject. Can't escape it. Yeah you can't escape the point of it. You can't leave it being not knowing what she wants to say about sex in America in two thousand nineteen. I think it's interesting to use the word assault About a special. That is about this and I don't think it's wrong because it does feel like. She is so more intense and I again like the word that comes to mind like violent. About how how capable this is going to be for this for this hour. My favorite sort of twist near the end is as she begins to grow frustrated with herself and her own inability to not connect connect with people that she's having sex with. Because it's really what's happened to you as the audience over the course of this special is the beginning you. You are in this relationship with her where it's like she's just telling meaningless sex jokes and by the end you're like Oh Dang it I am deeply invested in this person so it is once again. This really remarkable case where a special performance the thing that it is trying to medically explain coming in at number four Gary Goldman's the Great Depression. I watched it in. I was traveling and it was late at night. I was in a hotel room in a different country and I I just sat there. I was like I'm just GonNa to watch the beginning of this and then I need to pass out because I have other things going on and I did not every time I would attempt heft to look away so that I could break the spell so that I would just get like do the other thing. I was back in this because it is such a tender tender thing this this special more than one special this year used documentary and the thing that I found so effective about the way Goeman uses. It is that he introduces you to who he is and to the reason that he is doing this special official the way that he is he puts himself just inc.. Vulnerably in front of you and just when you think there is no more intimate vulnerable way of understanding this person. Then he shows you bits of his life but with the specific the purpose of helping audiences understand even more about what his experience has been what his world looks like the difference between this incredibly large unattractive man on stage and the contrast with how he himself feels the US see differently when you see him with his girlfriend that you see his apartment that you see other people. His mother his childhood home. It is a special about his personal experiences in about how to make comedy out of it and I wouldn't wake up refreshed. I I would wake up groggy and a hopeless and then if I did a show and got through a day I would reward myself by getting a pint kind of ice cream and I would always say to myself. Just eat half pint but invariably I have this like obsessive compulsion where I need to leave a flat surface for a day crew but I would keep eating it flat and then come across a chocolate chunk and I need to excavate that that leaves a Pothole so I got a smooth that over. Uh then it starts to melt along the perimeter and that's Gelato. You can't let that go to waste before note I'd had bought them literally and millennial literally and I would just say just finish it Gary just finish it and I would finish it and I would put the fork down more times than not. I would eat ice cream with a fort fort which is like an unofficial symptom of depression say well. Why does that mean you're depressed? It may not but it does mean at leased that you did not possess zest to wash a spoon people would say. Why don't you just wash a spoon why I don't I shower? I didn't have the energy the thing I think about is it ends. And you know there's certain rhythm and how special special ends written performed by and then direct you know and they believe it ends and it says conceived by Gary Goldman and Mike Bonfiglio who's director and it felt like the entire thing once he sort of knew he was GonNa do material about this that when sir developing material. The documentary was part of it other times when people do documentary stuff in special it is not that way. It's not conceived as a piece which is like the reason it's this way because that's the way this is structured Richard on purpose and I think it's partly because it's hard to believe a person when they're say depressed when they don't seem depressed and or maybe you could believe a little bit but oh you don't believe it as much as when you start and you see a person do stand up when they don't want to be doing it and be bad at it and just be like on this bottom like the fact that he has that recorded accorded is. I think about that. It's something that he probably would not want to show people in the broadest sense like obviously once he like detach attach myself. And it's like I'm an artist or whatever and I want this be there. But it's it's a level of vulnerability that is actually vulnerable and it's actually scary and that person. If he knew that a lot of people would watch later would be terrified that someone did this and you can so though Gary Goldman in the now the he's just creating a special. That person was real and that framed all of it. So then you have the fact that Gary Goma's greater reading think jokes and he gives you both. It gives you the depression. It's hard and being giant sensitive person is hard but but he allows you to live in the space of like. This is true and you're living person's heart experience and the window of like this might eight not be hopeless which comey does not have to have. A point does not have to make society better. I've wondered if that should would be a goal like should we judge stand up especially as as you're talking to people ask doesn't make the audience better than beforehand. It's a weird standard when maybe it is one on you know I. It was the thing that I've been reading with ever since Louis C. K. because Louis C. K.. For so long with the gold standard. What comedy was he's our? He's supposed to be truthful but he obviously wasn't. You know he was essentially I would say he's a confessional comedian which essentially confessing things not everything but things and having the audience absolve him of guilt. Built where other. Comedians like Gary here like Maria Bamford especially like Pignataro are honest in a way to make everyone better her and give people vocabulary to articulate. Things that are impossible to articulate and specially when you're at the bottom of it you see. AM At the bottom. He is not the guy he sitting down. He is not the guy who can have it perfectly who has the perfect metaphor for how he knows. The present suppress barely articulate. Yeah you can tell that he almost cannot say words in that moment with the contrast of him being able to be like when I see someone fork prince in ice scream and I know that that something's the matter is like the beauty of of using stand up as imagery painting pictures and having having one space is powerful and I do think probably like improved lives of people. I mean. That's why I did. It like people like this. He was you. Watch him at Colbert. He did a Colbert. Said I think probably you're in so ago and it's about depression but he does not say it is. It's very weird to watch because he just talks about like. Am Sad ed or something. And he's like he has all the jokes are the ending of the thing but it's not about depression explicitly except for it obviously is and it's interesting to watch fitness piece where it's now presented is hopeful. It's really interesting to we. Associate sort of certain types of comedy with certain types of Comedians radiance the storytelling people are darker. And they tell really whatever and like Gary is like the joke writers joke writer and he's doing this and at minimum. It's just interesting to see that clash also to come back to this question about whether comedy has a responsibility to be ethical. I agree with you that it does not but I do think that there is something. There is something impressive about it because because so often unethical comedy feels easy and so it's not that it has a responsibility liddy to be ethical but that when it is it's like you're playing on a harder level and that is a little bit of what I got from from this I also I think the the the the fork Princeton. The ice cream is just one of those images that you that sticks. Yeah and he's that is you know what he does. Number three micro bigly as the new one which I don't know if it'd be my number wanted definitely probably would be for two which is why again it doesn't matter. What did you like about it? You come back come back again to identification. I cannot avoid the fact that I am a parent of young children and so I watched this as a parent of young young children who was moved by the material because it is something I think all parents wrestle with that is very hard to articulate and so whenever somebody he comes along and points at a thing that you don't know how to say but then they do. It's very powerful the experience of watching it. It's feels very different than say the experience of watching Nikki That feels different than Gary feels different than I think. All of them and I it has big. It has big high school speech energy. which is that? It feels like a performance forman's in a way that once again a lot of specials try to hide the difference between the performance of this and of something like Doc. Julio is that the unexpected thing about about my favorite shapes is that it is set and yet he is clearly more himself in that upset then he is in the real world. This is here is a rug. Here's a stool. And when he comes out of the very beginning of the special he threads the Mike and then puts it on his ear in the most explicit. Like I'm bowing my head and then I put my head up and that's how obvious thing starts and so it teaches the audience to treat him as a character in a way that that I think works wchs differently than a lot of specials. Where again you're trying to hide the fact that that is a character that you are creating and so so the whole performance of him of that character changing over time hinges on the the beginning establishment of this is a performance space? This is a story that I am telling you. This is me but it is also performing a version of myself so that I think that is something that just makes it feel more one man show. Yeah whether it isn't stand up or isn't I'm the if you call yourself a stand up and you do something then you're doing stand up but like he is using the vocabulary. Stand up to do a thing. That really has not been done at this level. I I mean I not familiar enough about sort of British schools rules of stand up. But ultimately they're conceived differently he's he conceives his shows as stand up comedians. Do He works on it by ten minute chunks and he built these things and you know how you used to do. Historians shows was. He's essentially this character that's my bigger and the narrator that is my regular and that is there but he it does not cheat he. It's easy to cheat. It's easy to let yourself off the hook. which is and he would do in ways which he goes he would go the audience? Because I know I'm in the future also or something like I know like basically things being like that guy. He doesn't do that here and I. I mean I've talked about. Why and it's because he really wants to feel this person? Go through an. I've seen the show three times off Broadway Broadway saw it on athletics athletics and then I saw it on Africa's four times and yet when he see when the first time he looks at his daughter and she laughs and he acts that is acting these not being comedian. He's he had a shot like you'd shoot acting. It works again. I because because he earned the hell out of that by telling a story and he says he doesn't want to tell that story about the red light. I've talked to him. He really does not light that part. He doesn't even think it's like good comedy. I'm walking with my friend a friend. I'm thinking these bars or strip clubs and I say to my friend of a friendly should should we go in one. He says yeah but we got to choose carefully. I said how you said it's expensive. I said how expensive he said it's about two hundred dollars two hundred dollars to go into a strip club. He's says no they're prostitutes. These I said we gotta choose carefully. I want to be very clear. I don't want to tell you the story I'll tell you that genuinely do not want to tell you but I feel like it's essential the larger story but he knows it gets to the point of like. This is what a person was and I really want to understand that this is a change has happened and he does something at the end that you think is a landmark achievement in the history of comedy which is not telling an audience. Something something has happened. which is he changes at the end to sort of embrace being a father without saying that he doesn't go and then I decided I'm going to embrace being a father? He doesn't say I started doing more things around the house and realizing that I had to change myself none of that stuff. That is the the thing that stand up has historically done. It is a tale not show medium and it's hard to get out of that no matter what because you're talking but he actually he does it. Where by the end the end of story and at the end of this character you are not the narrator sort of gone these sort of in it? You're you're watching it as if it's a play and sort of visualize it and the skill of acting the skill of the writing of it but really the thing that he's the greatest greatest at and I wish you can like literally be a dramaturge for everyone which is like creating a piece that feels like A perfectly fit thing is so hard and a lot of stand ups are scared of because they want to feel of the moment and a lot of people do one person shows and they're effective in their way but like that level of actual storytelling Tapa Tapa less orange. Not just the in story stories which also incredible that is like a is the high water mark of whatever that is and is in the forms Ormes ability to do that. Can we talk about the surprise. Yeah I think we can okay. I saw it off Broadway. It was a shock. Yeah then when I saw it on Broadway as like like wonder how people are GonNA react here. It's more shocking. 'cause it's Broadway and then I like in the Netflix special. So I guess if you haven't seen it spoiler alert skip. Skip ahead a minute if you don't want to hear a surprise and a stand up special Once he comes home with the baby a bunch of toys drop and in the special what they do you which is fun. Is someone like yelps. I don't know if that person really there. But it's very useful to like convey and then this the first time the first time. I'm an only time this show the audience not true because at the beginning there's like an eleven year old who is sitting in the second row and so he has to acknowledge the fact that there is a child. I'll do as president which is a very interesting device. It's also a move. He does to be like. There's a stand up comedy. Yeah that's like a thing. He does it in a lot of shows to be like. This is comedy A. You're in a comedy show so you can sort of set. Expectations defy. What was it like to see it? Only the first time I immediately wished I had seen it live instead. Yeah because the thing that I knew happened that I my body almost registered but I could not actually feel was was the like of wind all of it landing on the stage and I was also then instantly trying to like recreate how he must have to stand in a very specific place so that he doesn't get hit and then how he has to like real around in this in. This layer of toys is to find specific objects because there are specific objects that he then has to look for and then uses the stories. I feel I thought because the change that happens internally Turnley happens subtly and later it's so effective to have this huge dramatic physical external external change be an earlier one because it you've register this drum because it is exactly what the experience of bringing home a baby. He is actually like you register. This dramatic physical thing that has happened and it takes your entire self a long time to you catch up to actually having the change register and not only not only. was I so impressed with that. Toy drop because of how I just immediately we saw it was like Oh my God. This is the most right thing I have ever seen. It's very hard to find ways of changing a set that that doesn't is that both is a gimmick and and is almost like a one to one representation of what it of the thing that it is trying to be a gimmick of And because it is so a dropping a lot of toys is not quite the right it is like it is like suddenly the stage is now covered and stuff that he stumbles around for the rest of the show and the way he is physically off put. He can't walk anymore is so dramatic attic and so useful in what he then needs to wade through in order to get to where the end of that stuff where he wants. That ended that story to be number. Two is a another special in in my opinion about children having children Anthony Jessil Knicks fire in the maternity ward. I don't know if I decided to back into this opinion about the special buy always thought it because when I interviewed him ask about it but like this special is obsessed with not having kids when I talked to him on this podcast it was about the joke about dropping babies and it was within this period that he talked us therapists their kids. He goes now and everyone around him was having kids. But then you watch it and you're like literally every single joke ties back to family and having Pinkett to the board of the abortion it is obsessed with. Yes it's reproducing. I don't even know if he would say is the thing that I find really fascinating about. Its obsession with his obsession with children and its obsession with children is that there is there are a few more efficient ways of saying thing. That is a bad person then by putting a child in the room and saying I hate that child. I want that child to be hurt like we have a human shortcut for you are a good or a bad person and it is do you. Respect the innocence of the innocence and perfection of childhood. It is taboo. That is that is broken all the time because children actually are assholes often so we have sort of come around to the ability to talk about like okay but it's hard and they're assholes and that's the sort of new one wrestling but they are a self but to go so far as to physically the harm them is the line that you are not supposed to cross. And so because the whole special is him making himself into an unreliable reliable narrator and twisting back and forth between whether or not he actually believes and says says and is this person to create this specter of the most good that can be and then put yourself yeah polar opposite to so it is just a really effective rhetorical device so he can come back to it again and again because it is just as shocking and upsetting every time. I'm GonNa WanNa blow your minds right now. I'm GonNa blow your minds at the back. Your heads you ready. I don't like kids. This is nine year old girl tiny little nine year old girl tiny little nine year old girl lives in my neighborhood. The glass scares the shit. It outta me terrifies me to my very core. Anytime she sees me she. Just fuck in chases me around until she gets her I back. It is and that's the fun joke. You guys all explain why the style of comedy of you know. It's these sort of jewel box little beautifully constructed things about very bad things that have these twists and they're often thematically not connected they. They're more often touching on taboo subjects. Well Taboo subject that are actually the subjects that everyone t- like these agreed upon taboo. So they're not actually ty booth so it just sort of like you say you can't do this. I'M GONNA write a joke about it and it sort of defiant and and all you get from this guy. He's writing jokes and he's defiant and then it's like not particularly interesting portrait of a person were this which is my favorite of his specials. I mean probably other people might like things things but what I like is this is a person who you're like. We know he's not this guy 'cause he's not murdering children but you know he's a guy who went home and thought this thing and decided to put all these jokes gather joke about anything. We know we can joke about anything but this is what he decided to joke. And it's a cute special in ways his because he's sort of like so hammered by himself in a way that is adorable like it's actually very silly and how seriously decides to take it. And it's all so indulgent in a way that only a person who never will ever want to have kids would be in that he talks so slowly. Yeah no one can imagine could talk so slowly or the kid would be talking. Not only does it talk slowly. He took out part where the audience reacted to pauses like. He wanted needed to be this thing. which is a one fits into my sort of desire for special to be treated as different than just? What was it like that night but it also is insane to watch like? You're saying to watch the moment when I realized what was happening is fairly early in the special bill. Where he he tells a joke? It is very funny show. The audience has a large reaction. It takes them a while to settle down again and and then he tells them if you keep doing that. It's GONNA take too long to get through this special and I just I. It is so weirdly Lee endearing. Yeah to watch someone take themselves that seriously and also find the the experience Syrians of being that serious so entertaining And it's the other reality of having making children. The rhetorical device in the special constantly is that it is balanced against the self-indulgence of his essentially childlike qualities. which which are? You told me I can't do that thing so I'm going to do it You told me to hurry up. So I'm slowing down. You want you want to react in a certain way. Okay and so I will stop you from doing those things and there's like A. There's like a three year old nests. That is perfect because you're not allowed to be that adult. It captures the paradox. That could stand up. Could have right. You're talking about the we often as we said this sort of difference between the self and the character that You're playing and Anthony was always obviously this character as as all these people are but it's such a distinct thing because he's not murdering people like I I think that is a step further beyond what is normal in the sort of quote unquote edgy comedy. Sphere and it was funny as a sort of a thing into sort of listen to. Oh it's interesting that someone's doing it. And it exercises that part of your brain. But how he weaves in part that are him and not. I don't know which parts of which part aren't true and obviously hasn't dropped a baby but he has thought about it obviously because he wrote this joke and he's probably thought about it when he wasn't and then he literally took his friend to get an abortion that is clearly true and which part of that is. What part of that story is not true? You will never know and that is a very exciting place to be with art. Generally in hard for stand up. And it's very hard for Senate Brayton now because says you have people who are either virtuous signaling that. I'm on the right side. Don't worry like I'm a good person because it's easier to do. Let's let's safe or the other thing of safe which is like I'm I'm just saying bad things and you just have to trust. I'm a good person. Not Yeah and that it's like as I said the bad little boys and to sit in space and that is what his that's the tension that he plays with which is sort of like it's not just like Oh. Can you laugh at that thing like who cares. Here's you can laugh at anything you know but it's a matter of like you're laughing this person and you get a sense of it and you know. I forgot about until was rewatching. Which is he tells his long story about abortion? He's like I'm a great friend and you're like wait do you sort of are but you're making the joke and then an aunt. So He's talking about taking Jessica abortion and it and it ends with for Jessica with love with. There's a little message before it says reading performed by Anthony Johnson like which is actually probably a bigger gesture and that is this one is really lovely but also A. It's a way of underlining that like this is his version of being personal which is a person does not like being personal and it is him making it clear that he wasn't like I think that he has always wrestled with which is how do you make it clear to your listeners. What the point of any this is probably shied away from it and it's hard hard for him to do because then it's hard to get the paradox telling what people say and and I do think one? There's still people who interpreted the jokes incorrectly. There's articles about it but it gives it a person hood that makes it ultimately something you leave with that beyond being collection of good jokes and you'd be like those are my favorite jokes. IT IS A. I'm leaving with a feeling about this person which is like one of the benefits of comedy. which is you can like essentially ride along in someone's brain for awhile and leave with a greater sense of of like understanding what people can be? Yeah and it's it's whereas you know I've seen it through comedy sense and he's telling you these other stories that are like even clear to be true true and it's sort of like it's playing off both what you see. This person has right now. It's playing off. What is audience things this character should be like and you you know He? He always wanted to write and essentially created this this anti hero that he likes he is redeeming. He's essentially like season one. He was the villain thing season. Six is going to a hero. The thing I was not expecting to be your number two it was the pace and the performance of it as much as anything else all right right here we are want our number one. I saw the first time I saw it. As listenable it has little rail. Harry's live in crenshaw. Yeah why you're number number one. It's gorgeous it's gorgeous and it feels like this absolute achievement of a comic sensibility of a way of inhabiting space. Not just in not just just physically. Although that's very clearly what's happening here physically inhabiting space but inhabiting space in a kind of story in leading a self itself sort of just be in the world being a family be in a particular moments being a history culture. It feels those like this. Just it's we'll talk. I mean the funeral sort of thing that happens in the middle is this virtuosic Mhm Experience where he tells a story about needing about a relative who's died and it begins with with his family calling him to ask him to help pay for this funeral and it allows him to move through and create all of these characters directors of these family members who have never seen before who suddenly are full people with two lines of dialogue. You know exactly who that person is because he knows exactly what that person is. Each one of those characters is a distillation that has somehow perfectly ended up with whatever two lines he gives them and he creates the scene. Where you you understand everything about this story that he's trying to tell you? It is is simultaneously long. It's like a big piece. That's like forty forty five minutes long. Yeah it's very long and yet also is. Is that magical thing about stories that works so well where it feels like any given point that you press on could just be a whole other set of rooms behind it and you know that he knows exactly where they are and how they exist Look I'm a pamphlet. A shooting and they did that Bush it low. Somebody wanted to talk to you gramophone crying. Ask Grandma boy hall baby. He was try- he the church last week again. He joined Church again and he he got bad path again he was he was fucking pay for grandma. Go back upstairs. I ready to talk to them. Okay Yup so proud of you. God bless you knew he was going to take care of everybody else and I if they don't allow that now when I had him on my podcast I asked a lot of communities the joke. They wish they could steal or the Joe and he said Eddie. Murphy's Family Barbecues joke which is a similarly virtuosic and is like out legendary January. Thing is and this is not just like oh maybe info it's like this is clearly like one of those the difference is how do you make it your own and how do you make it. You know he's a heavy hearted guy setting it not at a barbecue but sending a funeral is a distinct choice like obviously that happened and but you could. He has family interactions. That could have said it could have been anything and it fits. Who is which is all these things are happening a revolving around the fact that someone died it has not like? Hey I'm walking to this guy it's not like and then he says this is about how people act and when someone has died about that it's about family in that regard it's also family when someone has money it's also about sort of like. Oh my God the way this special does class ask is. Yeah and IT'S A. It's a very hard thing for Comedians to talk about and it creates different classes of his family members members by how they talk how describes what they do for a living what their goals are and again. None of these people talk for more than a couple of minutes and you know the thing. That is what what relatively special at. And when he does these characters is he. He is not himself in those moments. Which is as you talk about my pockets in the joke? You talked about where he plays his mom? Because I couldn't do it anymore because I've missed my mom. She was there when he and so when he does these people he laughs. Because he's like that's my goal here like it's an you feel that you totally and and part of that is because he is incredible will at this part of it is because it is the one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen because it was directed by Drought Carmichael. WHO's a WHO's a stand comedian who My opinion put out the best special of the decade. Which is eight which was directed by Bo Burnham this feels like actually the first marriage of directing and special that? I've probably seen to this regard where both people are doing things. And they both essentially what essentially to the other and drought. Have the idea a tells. Does he calls him off. Goes I WANNA shoot your special in this gym in Crenshaw and roles like I'm not from there what is association. Listen and then you see the space and there's this big glass window on one wall and two things happened. One is as the first part of the special shot with natural light which you never see comedy almost ever and because Comey's indoor medium and then the thing that happens is the sunsets during the special and it's IT'S A. It's just nice to watch as well shot on film which is not a special tube because they traditionally were shot as cheaply as possible and and all of that gives a a a richness just to the storytelling but it is also intentional to what the special is about out without it being specials about so the special is like I doubt the relationship of style comedy and audiences and because unlike most specials where you cut away to a person you see the audience for a lot of it because they are staged behind as behind him and in front of them and you see them you see them react also often is shot so that The people who are sitting in front of him you see literally the top of their heads as you are watching him. Yes and Carello saying they're trying to capture this feeling of a rally It's clearly there's a moment in the special which is one of the great moments in company history where he talked about the the preacher who gave the sermon at the funeral. And he's like he didn't really know my grandfather. I'm on my uncle. But he figured voted out. That's the premise of the joke. And then he is then the preacher and he does it and he's so convincing. The audience is is cheering along. They stand up. He played great. You know I thought he was loose. Shakya I you know. He came out. The Voice of a man We we are here to celebrate the here to celebrate the life of the brother. Larry Leonard Tower. This is the son of our beloved mother. Church H. Mother Howard is boy. Hey man you know. Live life though your few curveballs a man you have to just figure some things out you know. Read the Larry was. It was a perfect match but he found his way. Hey back to the circe man. He's hit now at. He jumped out and he made out of joy I charge. Why was he but he's now in front of the Church NAP in front of Church now? It's a celebration of what is traditionally black audiences as we think of is comedy and specifically the style of comedy that rails descendant of which is a Chicago School uh-huh which starters Robin Harris then famously Bernie Mac and then rail is audience. Interaction is a major part of. It doesn't mean like they're talking to their heckling cowed work. But you're feeding off in a very specific way and it's hard to capture that filmed because films specials are not live but this feels alive because time is passing an actual way and you see them you see. They don't all laugh at everything and that's part of it. I knew here. Your small lasts at different parts and that is a celebration of stand up comedy celebration specific. Stand up comedy that is is transcends whatever has been done before mixed with just like the material its own is a special thing so I had the benefit of watching amazing grace right before before I watched this and if you have not seen that documentary. It is the live Recording of aretha Franklin the performing the album the live album that became amazing grace and when they were filming it they were clearly the the whole idea of making a documentary. Documenting of it was. This is a really single moment in history that is going to happen in front of this audience with these people. Everyone everyone entering into this is aware that they are just documentary. Documenting one beautiful thing and this the way that this. This special is able to capitalize on that same sense of a single moment that feels like so often specials are trying to avoid avoided. They are trying to flatten out. The sense of like this was just one magical night that happens so that instead it feels as the craft and performance of it has to is trying to eliminate every element K.. We're just talking here. Yeah well it simultaneously. Hey were just talking. But also that this is a performance that happened and that all all of the but all of the liveliness of it has been smoothed out. This is is a complete embrace of who knows what's going to happen. He picks up the water bottle. Maybe put the down. He never takes out of this water bottle but he does play with it several times. He has this his towel he regularly uses. Because he's just sweats and the way. The camera catches the reflections of the sweat. And the light the and the people around him and like they have little bits of jewelry or shiny things and so it. Just it literally sparkles as you're watching it. It's I immediately. Obviously this is one of those ones where I started watching it on my laptop and I got like four minutes in and I was like no and then watched it on my like giant. TV DOWN IN MY basement. It was I. Yeah it makes the hairs stand up on it. You know. It's draw directed. This is the second special directed I The first was this this dramatical which came out last year which had no audience I. It's a personal thing. I think that I'm obsessed with which is com- COMEDIANS relationship to audience. And it's clear that Giradi is as well so in his innate part of the law is that he did not consider what the live audience thought of the show so he would take jokes back he would pause really long times. He bombed parts to create of atmosphere that he wanted films which was sort of tension and uncertainty and then he has no audience and then he has this thing that is sort of celebration of audience and crowds in general and you know there are people who think of Saint Up as a replacement of church in some ways and this clearly church. Yeah I mean. It's clearly just like a a meeting right. He you know they. They said that they wanted imagine that like there was going to be another speaker after. So it starts with the Black National National Anthem and then it goes to step and then a step routine and then rail comes out and then you're like well the night keeps on going like it's sort of what role does and usually when he is last special silman Chicago and he's a comedian. He's great at capturing space in his work where you're like you have a sense of what Chicago is even if you don't know it and this is partly about this crowd and it's partly about La but it's also why the call that is that he wanted it was deliberately thing that is a tribute to black people in a way that it's like The beyond seas hunting is the other thing that there's a quote that I liked. Let me see if I had When you say crenshaw people understand that he means that means black not ball no hills park? I did to pay homage to the people I performed in front of to the community. Eighty if I'M GONNA shoot in La it that so you say crenshaw because he wanted to be associated with something all of this is to take stand up which is a simple bowl medium of a person talking about their lives and it essentially funny and to put care to each part of it too do not just the words in cares in the performance cares into the title and how the title reflects how you shoot the audience and how the shooting the the color of the entire thing reflects what the what you're trying to say about. The material is a thing that stand up in my hope is going towards. I think it is a hope that is not necessarily a thing that many audiences are where is happening but I think there are people who want to be that way. That Gerard is one of the people that really really is pushing. Stand up to be that way that I will always applauding because I I want senator. Who beat thought of that pretentiously ultimately? I wanted to also be if Roy was Roy. Juniors like hey who cares about what it looks like or how he's dressed he's GonNa say like it should be that it should be immediate in whatever that means but like it is a malleable art form because it is ultimately as malleable as people are and it should be held to that standard the injured and because comedians are doing it finally to the level. They think they can. I will always be like. That's I don't like I don't care what is i. Don't care if that wasn't funny money like it was funny. And he's incredible at it and you laugh at it but you're like this is an hour that is unlike any an hour and makes comedy better for it. I wish that had not come out right at the end of the year. It's just getting buried and all kinds of everyone else's stuff. The the great thing about this is that it will just be there for anyone who wants it like it will be it will be. It's not like trump jokes. Yeah where it's GonNa feel will dated. No I mean it's it's nice. It's the last great special of the decade. Whatever that means to ever that means and anything I mean? It's it's to me where like Gerard released the best special of the decade and this is sort of like the one of the great specials of the decade. It's nice that we were entering into another another decade. Which is meaningless? But it's not because we're all the way to make meaning how we counter narrative craters. It's nice that it's this. It's nice to be like that that moving forward this an example that will be used now. Everything won't be this way and I don't want stand up to be all one thing because then what's the point but there continually raising the bar and I feel I am trying to wrap it up. I'm excited that this is a direction and it's yeah absolutely. I do think that I was trying to think about like what version of this I want to see. I have you ever. You've never been inside glossy the makeup place in In New York where it looks like you're walking into a vagina like it just is pink. I don't know I'm I fifty fifty that I probably would have remembered this. This is what I want a woman to do a special inside of in the next decade if somebody could please figure out how to make special inside of skin care as a problem. Yeah that's what I that's my hope. I mean there's definitely people that are doing it who are like invested in the idea of standup specials. Being these things eight twenty four is producing a lot of them a twenty-four produced there say produced ethnics like. It's clear that that someone has been in their bonnet. That is like us who's like. Oh what we said in these spaces what does it look like. I mean like and it should be said that these people you know Marie Marie the special partly this decade also had Maria Bamford do a special just for parents and that is also playing with spaces and audience. And I think that's lots what's of way up but it's like one of the many I think and that shot really Lo fi and I think in many ways she is who in my opinion like maybe the the best comedian working is that is part of it. But it's there's many different ways of doing it and I think it is you know there's a pardon Burnham special where he sings the film's it and it's obsessed with performance and audience and then sings a little song afterwards just for the all money and he's like oh I hope he laughed or like sort of like a hope. You breath out your nose acknowledging that the state of social is not what stand end up is like livestock is a form that's a craft that is also there's our form but ultimately it's like a different thing getting audience to laugh is the thing to do and the thing at home. You're not GonNa Laugh as loud as you do in front of people that like just laughing social thing so what you can do is create fascinating Objects great interesting things images of how you view stand up or you mean like and sometimes you know as I said like it could be phrases that he will never forget forget like what rails did is just like that once you sort of realize the time of day changing and you see it just what intimately the magic hour is a brilliant time to do it. It's like the only our form that is so I mean there's probably would be more concerts that are filmed this but maybe there have been but you get natural eight full day and it's possible. They shot over four hours and sort of condensed time. But there's probably like five thousand more family members that realm but like that is a thing that I will never forget and every also watched there on forward. We'll be shaped on like that is what I think of as good stand up. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: 5 offseason questions with Patricia Traina

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: 5 offseason questions with Patricia Traina

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go mets. Hello New York giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views. Podcast here on Big Blue Radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View. Today's show comes to you after the NFL scouting combine before the beginning of of free agency few weeks before the NFL draft lots of questions surrounding the giants at this point in time. Lots of different scenarios in the draft in free agency all all of that stuff you know. Kinda swirling around and all we can really do is talk about it at this point here to help me. Do that is is good friend. Patricia Traina of lockton giants and giants country. Petty it's been awhile since we've had John how you doing until mullet. Yeah it's been a while help. Everything's going well for you. It is it is we. Were both in Indian. I know that we got around a little bit. Saw a little bit. You didn't come out to dinner with US though dinner with Marie and and the gang and I was disappointed. I you know I had a head cold. I caught a cold the week before the combine and I fought like heck to get rid of it and unfortunately carried over and I just you know. Sometimes you just gotta listen to your body. And that's what I had to do. So but I was bummed out. I was really looking forward to the restaurant tour and you know. I told them re about that when I had him on my show. And he says we'll just have to schedule a dinner. You know here in New Jersey and I said okay. I'm down for that for sure. Yeah that works emory. Emory's a good guy. We had fun we went to Saint. Elmo's we ate way too much food. We spent way too much money. That's not the kind of meal you can do very often for your waistline or for your budget. Well you only live once. So why not enjoy it? That's true that's true patty so what I wanted to do today. It back in the old days you and I used to do a thing that we called the Friday five where we would trade questions. We would both sort of answer the same question you know. I would give you my answer for your site. You would give me your answer for mine. So what I'M GONNA DO. Today is is kind of walk through five sort of off season questions off. Season scenarios for the giants. A kind of quickly give you the way that I see it playing out and then I'll let you answer whether you agree with me or or how you see the particular scenario playing out so I suppose the first one that we will start with is this. There's been all of the talk over the last couple of days about the Jacksonville Jaguars and unique mccoo. The Edge rusher who they're apparently going to franchise tag guy who I think. The giants might have targeted as an edge rusher in free agency if he were to be available so I guess my first question is this will the giants or will the giants not be able to come up with a premiere. Big Name Big Time. Pass rusher this off season. I think the answer to that is no because I don't think they're going to be able to swing a deal with Jacksonville for Nuku. I don't think they're going to meet today. Vian clowns asking price. Nor do I think they should meet counties asking price? I don't think chase young is going to be available to them in the draft. So I think they're going to have to piece the pass rush together with scheme and with the best players they can. They can accumulate without a big name number. One Guy Your thoughts on that. I'm with here at put together a scenario on giants country and how the giants can do a tag trait with Jacksonville from the coup. And I just don't know that that's going to be the answer. I think if you go back and you look at the the giants great defenses. When they they had a pass rush. That was effective. How many times could you WANNA say they had a legitimate number? One Pass rusher. You can make that case in two thousand seven with stray hand. You might've been able to make the case. I guess in two thousand eleven. But if you go back to two thousand sixteen when they had J. P. P. V. Eight. Vernon can you make the case and say that either one of those guys was a legitimate number one? I'm not so sure you can. But they were also very productive. It became a case of pick your poison if he were the other team trying to defend. So it's interesting because I had jeff rising on my show and that's a show that's going to be out Wednesday of this week and we were talking about that Patrick Ram and how he kinda schemes pass rush open and I think the giants you know. They took Lorenzo Carter. Who has was misused in in the defense last year he wasn't used properly. They took x men. O'shane Jimenez I could see them potentially we signing Marcus Golden Who was not a number one pass rusher? But I don't know that you necessarily need number one pass. Rusher would be nice if he can get it. But you also have to say okay. Well if you don't have that guy because he's injured whatnot. Then what do you do? Do you shut down? Pass rusher to carry on and I think the answer. Is You know you just you build a committee and you try and approach it that way. Sure Petty. I think that Patrick Graham new defensive coordinator comes from the Belichick tree comes from New England where they haven't necessarily over the years had that number one pass rusher so I think that's what you're going to see. Is the giants. Try to build what they can with as many good players as they can and and go from there will be interesting to see how the off season plays out there. S- let's get to my second question that I have on my list. Patty and that involves Leonard Williams and the question is simply this will he or will he not be a giant in the twenty twenty season? I say he will. I say that the giants will will tag him probably or with and I know you've suggested this at giants country as well probably with the transition tag. If for no other reason than I think they have to save some sort of face here considering how considering how much they gave up to get a guy who played a half a season of football on a team that had no chance to make the playoffs. Your thoughts on that. Yeah I agree with you and it's it's not just also about saving face which obviously is a big thing but you know the more I think about it and it's funny because I started a A a course with Joel Corey on salary cap and that topic. I actually raised the top in the class last night and I said to him you know. What do you think's GonNa come of that and and you know we can continue to talk about why they made the trade and how we don't understand it and whatnot and when again when I was speaking with Jeff Rice today I said to him I said look I got this crazy theory? Tell me if I'm I'm nuts. Said but when we look at the Phil of Leonard Williams has not been used properly or is it a case that they've used them all over the place and maybe some of the spots that the jets used them in the past wasn't the right place to use them at And he said that he thought that that was that was true that you know look you look at guys who are versatile and they can do multiple things and there's an expression that comes to mind. Jack of all trades master of none. And that's what sometimes teams get Tempted to do. They tend their tempted to to move all these guys around different positions and it creates headaches. Because now all of a sudden you gotta take guys off the field and whatnot. So Jeff in our discussion kind of felt that okay you know. What if the giants line Leonard Williams up as as like a three or four? I or something like that. Then he might have more value he might be more productive but But Yeah I think. That's a big part of the equation. How does Patrick Grand Plan to use him? And I think you know I would think by now that they've made that decision they've gone to Dave gettleman and they've said okay. Look this is what we are thinking of doing now. The ball is in your court to get the guy signed and I do think they will. They will sign him. I don't know if it will necessarily be tway full. You know multi year deal. I could see. Potentially being the transition tag or approve. It deal since you know. It's a new defense. And they st however fits in your. Patty. I think you know the thing with Williams. That people have to realize is he is a good player not a great player but he is a good player he does have value. He will help the giants if he's on that defense in twenty twenty. Let's do one more question then. We'll take a break for a a word from our estimation sponsors before we before we continue but my third question involves. This is sort of the the will he or won't HE MILLION DOLLAR? Dave gettleman question. It's the will he or will he? Not Trade down from number four. We know he's never done it. We know he said that. The giants are open for business at number four. I think sort of reading the tea leaves of this draft reading some of and listening to some of Dave's other comments about how much talent there is both at the top of this draft in depth throughout this draft in positions like wide receiver where the giants could use some help. I think that if he can find the right deal I think Dave gettleman is going to move down. A few spots from number four agree with me or disagree with me Patty. I'll I absolutely agree. This is the year to do it. You have two teams behind you that need quarterbacks and let's not just limit it to the quarterbacks maybe there's some teams even lower who have their eye on a premier receiver or or defensive player. You know maybe. Some of these teams want Derrick Brown for example. So I definitely think there's going to be opportunities to trade down and I would be stunned if Dave gettleman doesn't take advantage of one of them because you're going to get more draft picks and be most importantly. You're going to save money on the salary cap. I did a scenario in my for example. Might my Yanic. Trae down scenario I I did scenario. Where if the giants dropped down to a with Jacksonville picks which I think is number nine in the order. That's the difference of two point five million in money that you have to commit to the first round pick. That's pretty big amount. And that's an amount. If you think about that can go toward you know another player so I definitely see benefits of doing that. I do as well patty and I know that Dave said there is danger in dropping down too far and I think given his You know given his choice he would stay in the top ten but I have to be honest with you. I keep looking at the Las Vegas Raiders with twelve in nineteen and thinking. If the Las Vegas Raiders would give me twelve and nineteen for four. I'm all over it in a heartbeat. You and me both and that's something I'm taking a look at as well and I think it's really going to depend on You know what happened in the top of the draft. Now let's say Miami somehow moves up with Detroit that could totally upset the applecart but I absolutely take twelve and nineteen in a heartbeat. If it meant you know especially if I saw some offensive tackle still on the board alright patty as I said. Let's take a quick break for a word from our espy nation. Sponsors will come back and I have. I have two more questions to more scenarios to to cover with you before we call it a day. Hello this is Jesse Dave Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture. And the PODCAST. Good one eight podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director of their jokes. Figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pin in the pad and physically write down. Everything has not my style turns out. Comedians take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes okay. That's what I do. That's what I live. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing guy. I'm not I'm not sure. Mark Kirsch good one from culture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. Do not use the PUCK Katherine. Let a great question Jesse David Fox alright giants fans Ed. Valentine back here on the Valentine's views podcast talking with Patricia Traina of locked on giants and giants country. And we are doing sort of an old fashioned five questions kind of thing. Patty and I used to do that when when Patty was Was writing more exclusively at inside football which I know Patty still Still I believe you own that these days in my correct Patty I publishing. Yes so you know so we we. We don't do that anymore. But this is sort of an old fashioned Five questions segment with Patty and I and we have two more questions to go so what I've got next for you. Patty is you know we we briefly mentioned before the break we briefly mentioned offensive line. And I think you and I have talked about OFFENSIVE LINE SCENARIOS MY IDEAL OFFENSIVE LINE SCENARIO FOR THE GIANTS. This off season goes like this win. The bidding war for Jack Conklin at right tackle. Use Your first draft pick on defense. Whoever the best defensive player is if you happen to to pull off a scenario like we talked about with the raiders where you'd get twelve nineteen maybe even use one of those picks on a wide receiver but then you go into data to and find your left tackle of the future a guy who could be a developmental player and learn for a year behind nate's older and maybe somewhere in the middle of the draft or mid Tier Free Agency. You Find Someone. You Hope would upgrade the center position. Give me you're sort of ideal offensive line scenario for the giants in terms of of rebuilding it. this off season okay. I'm actually going to disagree with you. I know I've been agreeing with you up until this point. Wow Patio show people were probably you know those of you who stay tune in. You're you're going to be rewarded. This is how I look at it. the giants obviously do not want to be drafting in the top ten every year or let alone in the top five. You're up there in that top position. And and even if he trade down to number ten or you know you trade down a few spots to number twelve. Let's say for example. Get your left. Tackle of the future stopped dilly dallying. You Know Jack Conklin a great player. But he's going to be expensive. You know at best. It's a bandage. You know you also have to look ahead. You're going to have SAQUON YOU'RE GONNA probably have to do his contract after the third year You may have to do a Daniel Jones's the year after depending on what kind of season so you can't afford in my opinion to have big money tied up in an veteran offensive. Tackle GETTY YOUNG. Guy Get him on his rookie deal. Throw him in there and just just fortify. That left tackles important. Right tackles just as important especially now the team's match and move their you know their best pass rushers around. I get that so you know address that you know maybe flip nate soldier over to the right side if you pull a left tackle or keep them at the left tackle view if you pull right tackle in the draft and just go down that path now as far as senator goes. I've said this before. I'll floated out again. I wonder if perhaps you know if they WANNA get nick gates onto the field and you and I have talked about this Nick Gates to me even though he learned center he. He told me he learns center from Spencer. Poli I think size wise. He's too tall for the position. I remain intrigued about possibly moving. Kevin Zeitler was a very cerebral player inside to center. I think he could handle that role. Then you put Nick Gates in there at a guard. And you've solved you know a couple of problems so I think that's how I would approach it if I were the giants Patty. What's the world coming to when you and I disagree on on how to talk to him? I do think I liked the idea of of allowing Nick Gates to to try to find a spot in the lineup and I think I think the way that I would approach. It is perhaps to use a mid round pick on a mat. Hennessy of temple or a Lloyd cushenberry of Lsu or someone like that and allow him to compete for that job with gates but all of those are interesting scenarios and and I think the decisions that we see quickly in free agency when it opens in a couple of weeks really going to shape. You know what the giants do in the draft. So there's really there's no right and wrong answers here so so it's just it's interesting to see how the giants are going to approach this. Yeah it definitely is and I agree with you know I. I've said a couple times now that usually I come out at the combine and I have a pretty good idea what the giants are going to do. The only the acted say for sure about this year is free agency is going to go a long way dictating how they approached us and I think gentleman at one point even suggested that you know some something to that effect. I don't remember the exact words but Yeah there there are many different directions they can go in and you just have to see how how You know the plans unfold. Alright Patty last question you and I were both at the combine. We both went to a lot of the The morning media sessions with players. What I want to ask you from the players that you got a chance to talk to. Maybe you know maybe inside sessions with kids at the table or maybe in the podium sessions where you know. A lot of those are are massive. Sort of scrums. Where you're you're competing to throw questions at these guys. I kind of want to ask you whether it's for a personal reason just because you liked talking to this kid or because of what you think he can do or be as a player. Is there one player that you spoke to? Who you really came away thinking. I hope he's a giant. Just let me tell you quickly. The guy from me who I came away thinking about it was MCI Becton just could because I enjoyed talking to him so much because he's he's pretty engaging and because I think I would enjoy sort of following on a year to year basis. You know what kind of player a guy that big can be as an NFL tackle. So who would be the one guy for you who you really came away hoping would be a giant. Oh I have to limit it to one Yes just one penny. That's all I'm giving you because we don't have until Christmas to to to finish up this show I'll all right. I'm going to go with Caesar. Wes I just found his story Just so inspiring. I found him to be a very kind soul a very sincere soul. Just I drove a lot of the questions about his background. He grew up for those. Who Don't know I. I wrote a story about him on on giants country but for those who don't know he grew up in. Camden lost his father when he was eight years old. His father was struck and killed On the side of the road when he was trying to help a stranger to change a flat tire. And you know just not only that but Camden for those. Don't know as one of the most Difficult neighborhoods I think. In the nation Nella known in the State of New Jersey to it has a very high crime rate and a lot of young men and women unfortunately get swallowed up. Because they don't know any better or because just circumstances and just to hear sees a Ruez talk about you know his father and talk about how he overcame you know the temptations in the war of easy money and and you know fast money and all the stuff That come with living in that type of environment very inspirational and I think the the one thing that really really grabbed me about him was he's just a kind soul you know kind of like you know. He spoke about his father and how his father would basically give you the shirt off his back even if he didn't know you and he said that's what. I want to be when I get my to the NFL platform. I want to give back. I WanNa be a giving person that is my nature. Aegis after hearing his story. I shouldn't admit to this but I'm going to. I just wanted to get the kid a big hug. Because that's how moved. I was by his story. Mama Trina there you go. I know you hate it when I do that. I know that's what can I say that's what you're gonNA do so patty. 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The Chris and Joe Show: Best Available Defensive Free Agents

Big Blue View

30:50 min | 5 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Best Available Defensive Free Agents

"T. Mobile's the first and only wireless companies offer nationwide five gene covering over two hundred million Americans counting. That's right it's not just five gene. Select PARTS OF SELECT CITIES. T. MOBILE NATIONWIDE FIVE. G. Covers over five thousand cities towns. And that's just the beginning. Indoor outdoor no signal goes farther or is more reliable than T. mobile's five G. Find out more about the first largest and only nationwide five G. Network at T DASH MOBILE DOT com. That's T- dash mobile dot com capable device required coverage not available in some areas. Downlink only some uses may require certain plan or features. Ct DASH DOT COM welcoming to the next episode of the Christian. Joe Show I am Jodi Leone joined by Chris here on the Big Blue View radio network. We are following up like we said with talking about defensive best available free agents that the giants you'd be targeting in free agency. The illegal tampering period will be opening up next week. And we're GONNA have a lot of great audio content for you once we know when these signings occur in who will be the New York giants. But still we're a week away a little bit less than a week plenty. It's time for us to speculate. And who does not love some fun speculation? We're going to run through a list of edge rushers linebackers and one defensive back that you need to know about and also the giants would be smart to pick them up and sign them first player. That we WANNA hit on is specific to his arkham stances. The reason why we're talking about him. I that is linebacker Christian Kirksey from the Cleveland Browns. In the reason why he is at the top of the list is because he was recently by the browns meaning he can be signed at any point he could be signed tomorrow even if the giants chose to go out inside him. He made our list because he is a very good linebacker. Talented guy has had injury issues. Only played in two games in two thousand nineteen only played in seven in two thousand eighteen. But if you get his best year like it was in two thousand and Sixteen. He had a hundred and forty eight tackles the twenty seven year old has been in the League for six years. Talented linebacker does come at some risk. That might make him a little bit on the cheaper side. Yeah his really something to consider when looking ahead you know what kind of contract he might get. He's played nine games in the last two years. That is a definite risk that any team is going to have to take on. However when he's healthy he's good. He's athletic he's explosive. He can be tackling machine but the health is definitely a question on the flip side of that because he was released before the start of the new league year. If the giants were to sign him he would not count against their future compensatory pick calculations so if the giants want to try to keep rolling over in getting extra compacts like the Baltimore. Ravens love to do that could weigh in their decision. There's certainly a lot of upside with the situation. If they choose to sign Kirksey it would certainly be pending a physical and to check on if all of his medicals are in line because of that injury history. But if you get a fully healthy Christian Kirksey sign him to a three to a four year deal. That will lead into his early thirties. That would be a very viable option. He could go pretty quick or he could end up. Staying are along on the market for a long period of time. Depending on how things move with these other linebackers. We're GONNA talk about them at the end of the show because there are some very pressing needs in some huge names that you need to know the first one is probably the most obvious to most talked about player also in terms of the fact that he has made it clear he wants to be a New York giant in saying that the giants are on his short list of teams. That is edge. Rusher Judean Clowney. The first former first overall pick back a few years ago he's projected by SPO- track to earn about twenty million per year. That would be a six year. One hundred and twenty million dollar contract a ton of money to pay a defensive player but that kind of coin is certainly worth it. Four an elite pass rusher twenty seven years old. He's been four years. You get him up until about the age of thirty. Three in two thousand and one thousand nine is stats are a little bit questionable. Three sacks seven tackles for loss in thirteen games. His best year he had nine and a half sacks in two thousand seventeen in the nine sacks in two thousand eighteen similar to Kirke Kirksey. He has some injury issues in the past but has been relatively healthy over the past few years. If you do come and get a healthy David Clowney. He might not rack up immense production. But you're still getting a guy that as high success in past situations in his going to generate you pressures regardless. Yeah and that is what. Clowney is really best that he had despite his really incredible athleticism. And I I think people still show that one hit against Michigan in the bowl game but he has never really been a great pass rusher but because he is so explosive he so long so big so strong he is able to disrupt in the offensive backfield. He is able to pressure the quarterback and that does have an effect. Now you mentioned his best year was nine and a half sacks back in two thousand seventeen with the Houston Texans I believe Wade Phillips was coordinating their defense that year but that is definitely a different style of defense. From what the play? The seahawks rarely have guys at posting up big sack numbers their style. Their style of hybrid defense is different from pretty much. Everyone else in the league. And it's it's very sound but it doesn't really produce gaudy numbers. The Texans defenses much more for painted on attacking generating pressure generating big plays especially with the front seven. So the question really is is cloudy. The kind of impact player where you're going to pay twenty two may even us as high as twenty two or twenty three million dollars a year over the next five or six years which from what we're seeing hearing is? What is going to take to secure his services? The one thing you pointed out that's very key to acknowledges that he was playing in a defense. The typically does not generate a lot of sacks four pass rushers but rather thrives off of creating pressure for quarterback so. I don't really see too much concern in that three sack number thirteen games because I know he has the talent to hit home and I know if you put on cloudy on the edge with the defensive line that is already in place if you end up having to bring back Leonard Williams because Dave gettleman is so intent on doing so. It's just another added peace to the interior mix. That good of a defensive line will draw a lot of attention away from cloudy or vice versa. Will give a lot of attention to cloudy in the draw. Attention away from some of these interior guys and let them tee off our next edge. Rusher is going to be a lot cheaper and somebody that needs to be paid close attention to because of what he's expected to make he's only expected to make seven point three million. That guy is vic beasley edge. Rusher from the Atlanta Falcons who was clearly indicated that he would not be resigning with the Falcons. So that seven point. Three million dollar number is is projected range That would be about a three year. Twenty two million dollar deal deal and that is pretty good price tag to be getting for for a guy that once had fifteen and a half sacks in a season in two thousand and sixteen this past year he had eight sacks and sixteen games in eight tackles for loss a bit of a drop off in production but understandably he was the defense he was playing with was missing a lot of key guys to do injury. There has been a significant drop off in the level of talent and overall success. From that Falcons Defense so the twenty eight year old is a bit of a mixed bag in terms of what you're getting but you can get them at a much cheaper price compared to all the other edge rushers on this list. Yeah and one of the really consistent. Criticisms concerns that I've seen with regards to the Falcons defense especially come draft. Time is their lack of talent at the defensive. Tackle Position Every year it. Seems I see the Falcons draft twitter just crying out for a first round defensive tackle or at least a high second round defensive tackle. Well that's one thing. The giants have a lot of is defensive. Tackle talent even without Leonard Williams. So perhaps if the giants are able able to push the pocket of the middle that will that would create opportunities for Vic Beasley and perhaps the giants could buy low on him and get really good production. Maybe not fifteen and a half but at least eight to ten sacks for a relatively affordable contract maybe even a third of what they would pay cloudy and you could sign vic Beasley to more of approve it type deal. Maybe he only wants to sign for one to two years just because he wants to prove that he's worth this top tier pass rusher money. He just needed a better situation. I think that the giants situation that like you just discussed I'm not at all worried about signing a guy that doesn't have the production to back it up. As long as he's shown he can be productive in at least one of his years in the league because the giants have such good interior front with their defensive tackles this last year we saw that interior group create pressure but lack the homerun ability to get home. Get that sack in completely finish. They did not have that. Because Marcus golden was good but not at the top quality level that you want in your in your premier pass rusher so this last guy who the giants could be signing. That could find himself. Being a nice fit died. His Edge rusher Dante Fowler junior from the Los Angeles Rams another guy that had an injury issue very early on in his career with the Jacksonville Jaguars he is projected to make. Fourteen point eight million. That would be a four year deal for fifty nine million dollars in total so still cheaper than today Viane clowney. If they can't swing clowney then he could be the next best guy on this list very very young. He's only twenty five years old in four years into the League so he's experienced but still extremely young for a pass rusher in two thousand and one thousand nine. He was the most productive guy on this list. Sixteen games eleven and a half sacks and sixteen tackles for loss that was with a very good defensive line unit featuring Aaron Donald so you could get a pretty much lateral transition if you bring him to New York with all of the heads. Along the defensive line he could have similar stat production. Yeah I wouldn't go so far as to compare any of them to Aaron Donald But yes. I knew that was coming why I'll get. Someone tweeted definitely right now. We're recording. This hasn't been entered. It hasn't been posted yet. We are being tweeted at. But but yet a foul or could be kind of. Goldilocks option for the giants. You cloudy might. That might be a little bit too rich or maybe a lot too rich for them. Vic Beasley. Maybe not enough proven production. Mary affordable contract. Maybe if they decide to go for a quantity A quantity strategy with their free class but fowler just shy of fifteen million. That's that's a lot but that's not ridiculous if you're getting a guy who's coming off his best season and really hitting his stride hitting his prime and if you could have a similar effect with a good defensive interior like the giants have again. None of them are Aaron Donald. But they're not bad either so maybe this could be a really good situation for him and maybe the value could be right for both parties. Certainly could be a nice fit for both teams like we said and like like we alluded to early on if you can't swing. Jv On clowney. Maybe you don't like Vic Beasley Dante. Fowler Jr. might be that really good option depending on who they value the best In in in in that particular order We have a nice list of guys that we're going to wrap things up with three more names to know but before we get to them. We're GONNA take a very short commercial break while you're listening to this PODCAST T. Mobile was busy building the largest five network in America. 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I don't sit down with a pen and the pad and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway on? Nothing guy. Not another person. Good one from boulter and the box media podcast network subscribed for free on apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. You do not use the effort. I'll let a great question Jesse. David Fox only defensive back we have on. This list is cornerback. Byron Jones. Another name that we continuously are hearing. That is a possible new New York giants coming from the Dallas Cowboys. There so distracted with trying to sign DAK Prescott in Amari Cooper. They could possibly swing Byron Jones. His projected value is five years. Fourteen point one million but there are some murmurs pushing that he could very. Well be the highest paid defensive back in. Nfl history depending on. How many teams are vying for him to come and be their top corner is twenty seven years old five year vet in the League and in two thousand and nineteen forty six tackles he had six passes defended and one forced fumble yet and I think the number that really stand out. There is when you didn't say he had no intersections in two thousand nineteen are Jones is a big long incredibly athletic cornerback but he just does not get his hands on the football to take it away. He can't get his hands on the football. He's got forty three passes defense over his five years in Dallas read. Most of them came in two years one of them one of which was as as a free safety. So that's something else to pay attention to. He does have that positional versatility but only two interceptions and he hasn't had an interception since twenty seventeen so that is something to keep in mind because the best way to stop. Modern offense is to take the ball away. There are too many offenses in this league. Where if you keep giving them chances they will find a way to beat you. They will find a way to gas your defense and if you can take the ball away from them. That is pretty much the most reliable way to stop them. Not even a sack is a reliable drive stop or anymore. So that's something that also has to be taken into consideration because the giants had all of ten interceptions last year so that is something they really do need to try to improve both in coaching. All of their young Levi's to get their hands on the ball. Take the ball away but also any. Db's they bring in through free agency through the draft. They have to be able to come up with takeaways. Takeaways definitely necessity and also. Having some type of veteran presence would be extremely nice for filling out that secondary somebody who can lead this young group that had just needs a little bit of extra coaching to help them reach that next step to become even better last two players we have would be the focal points of the defense as linebackers in the middle. I player Corey Little Tin from the La Rams. Also a young guy twenty six years old. He has been in the League for four years. His projected salaries four years. Earning twelve point two million dollars per year so I do have to say when we had Dan on. I made a mistake. In projecting what his market value is a misread. The number I said three million. That was what he was previously making. So that twelve million dollars annually. Number is much more realistic. You probably be one of the paid linebackers in this year's free agency group in two thousand and nineteen hit. A hundred and thirty four tackles six tackles for loss three and a half sacks to force fumbles and nine passes defended to go along with two interceptions so he is all over the place making plays for that defense for the Rams. He could fit nicely behind already. Dominant defensive line that takes up a ton of attention. Yeah that that twelve point. Two is kind of a lot for an inside linebacker. That's actually more than Allah. Gogel tree was making a however. Littleton is worth it. Ultra was never really. He was never really the type of player who should have gotten the contract. That the rams gave him littleton he makes tackles. But he's not a passive Like you said he is all over the field you can tell he's got he's got those the sack production. He's got the passes defense production. He's got interceptions. He's got tackles for a loss he is the type of guy the type of inside linebacker. You can feel good about cracking. Open the checkbook for. He would certainly be worth money. Being the highest paid linebacker in this free agency class and understandably. The giants are clearly in a desperate situation to fix that linebacker spot. They recently cut two linebackers over the past couple of weeks. Allegory and Kareem Martin. So they need to bring somebody in. You can't guarantee that you're going to have a guy on the board to draft. You don't know what the free agent options are going to be come post draft time so someone does need to be signed. If you can get Littleton. Spend the money and get the best available player if not. There's a guy that is a bit underrated and isn't really talked about a ton but still could come in and step in and play in have an impact that is linebacker. Joe Schober there was no listed market value for him. But if you're just going off of the fact Cory Littleton is projected to make twelve point two annually. I would anticipate him to probably make around eight to ten. Just based on the fact that he's not as highly sought after twenty six years old four years in the League in Sixteen Games. He had one hundred and thirty. Three tackles seven tackles for loss and nine passes defense so he could be a nice backup. Option of Cory Littleton signs with another team yet. They're actually really similar in production and they're both kind of similar game is athletic. Smarten off ball linebackers. I would with Kirksey being cut. I would almost be surprised to see Schober hit the open market. But if he does he is a guy. The giants definitely should be in in contact with pursuing because they have just a glaring hole in the middle of their defense that they need to fill. I know there are people out there saying well. What about Ryan Conley? I'm not sure the giants should feel comfortable. Leaving the defense. The captaincy of their defense to a guy who will basically still be a rookie. Who yes was impressive in preseason? He was impressive in about a game in a half of regular season but that was still only preseason game in a half in the regular season. And he's coming off a pretty significant knee injury if he if it turns out he is a really good starting linebacker great. I don't know of any team that has ever said while we've got too many good linebackers. I don't know of any team that has ever said. Wow we have too many good players at any position. I wish we didn't have so many good players so I think both Shelbert an littleton are. The giants should absolutely pursue both of them if they wind up being outside of the giants price range. If the giants want to be maybe a little bit quickly responsible. We don't think they should be. We think they spend but if they do want to try to restrain themselves and keep rolling over compensatory picks fine but they should at least look at these guys they should at least making queries. They should talk to the representation and do their due diligence. And I'm certainly a firm believer in having as much available talent as possible if you maybe exceed the amount of guys that you really need to be starter level. Well it's better to have a good problem than the bad problem of not having enough guys that can go out there and compete at a top level. So if you bring into guys Ryan Connolly doesn't play as much you still can find him away to work in and still developing young. He'd be younger than any of the guys that they'd signed and bring in also. I would fully endorse. Maybe even drafting someone as well linebackers and having a lot of talented ones is very important to have as well as having a ton of really talented defensive backs it's becoming more and more of a necessity for your defense to become elite to wrap up today's show like we did for the offense of ones. We're GONNA pitch our bold prediction for the defensive side of free agency Chris. What is your big bold prediction? My prediction is that the New York giants will make Byron Jones the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. Yeah I know I just got done saying. They need to really address their lack of interceptions their lack of takeaways. However they need to get their secondary buttoned-down I they just hemorrhaged big plays last year and they need that veteran presence and they need a they need a defensive back especially a quarterback who has the athleticism to match up with the big strong long athletic receivers in the NFL and especially looking at the upcoming draft. There's GonNa be a bunch more coming in real soon. So having a guy who has an athletic freak like Byron Jones would definitely help their defense also back when Dave cattleman was the the giants vice president of pro personnel. I believe I got the job right there back before. He became the general manager of the Carolina Panthers. The giants signed Chris. Canty from the Dallas Cowboys and then they signed Martellus Bennett from the Dallas cowboys. The giants like at least then they liked to try to take free agents away from other teams in the NFC east. They liked. They elected take talent away from the cowboys. Which is a great strategy at least in my opinion it right at a sewage. The Art of war enrich yourself by taking away from your enemy taking your enemy's supplies so if Dallas is going to let Byron Jones. Walk if they are going to devote their money to resigning Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper which are things. They really should do then. The giant should benefit from that. I fully agree with that. Take on Byron Jones. Becoming one of the highest paid if not the highest paid defensive back during free agency and the giants will sign him. But I'm GonNa take that a step further. I think that this off season is going to make the two thousand sixteen offseason or they spent in excess of hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency to bolster their defense by signing Lee Vernon Janoris Jenkins Damon Harrison. All those guys to make their defense elite overnight that defense for one year was top ten in the NFL and it was extremely good because they were willing to spend money at fell apart pretty quickly once injury set in but it was still one of the better defenses in the NFL. I think that this year they're going to spend even more money and they're going to go out and sign Byron Jones and then other top tier players. They're going to spend an incredible amount of dollars just to fix that defense in make a competitive unit out there on the field because if you look back the last time. I did this when when Jerry Reese was the general manager he spent all that money because it was pretty clear he was on the hot seat. He knew that if he didn't do something quick. They work at a produce results and he could very well be fired. He bought himself an extra year by doing that effectively. So for Dave cattleman. We thought he was going to get fired. After this season well he bought himself a little bit extra time. And you can't have a huge turnaround with the draft. You can bring in guys. They're going to make your team better. But if you want to have this big turnaround he's going to need to spend a lot of money. They are going to spend a ton of money if they WANNA fix this thing and all signs are pointing towards them. Actually doing it. Yeah and that defense that year that was able to drag a really not good offense a just bad offensive scheme to an eleven five record. The giants swept the cowboys for that year. They who were the best team in the NFC and basically until injuries took over and not too much talent out of that defense. It looked like they were going to get past the Green Bay packers as well in the playoffs so I could absolutely see and I absolutely agree with you. The giants are going to spend and they're going to spend big this year or they're at least going to try. Yeah at least they will try and put their best foot forward and spend as much money as possible. Can't complain if they do. If they bring in the top tier free agents available and don't spend their money on lower tier guys overpay some people. This defense could make a huge transition and stepped forward into becoming a very very good unit. That is going to be it from today's show. Thank you for tuning in as always be sure to rate and subscribe wherever you're listening to us and also follow us on social media at Big Blue View you can follow me at. Joe Deleon and you could follow Chris at Raptor Mk. I stick around for next week when the legal tampering period opens up. 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Brews & The 'Boys: CBA Talk, Free Agency, Byron, and Robert Quinn

Blogging the Boys

32:40 min | 5 months ago

Brews & The 'Boys: CBA Talk, Free Agency, Byron, and Robert Quinn

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm use ecology made Sloan or the host of switched on Papa podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown. The most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. Billy eyelashes music with her brother and collaborator phidias dissecting chance the rapper with Super Producer. Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly Parton to Scott. If you love music you're going to discover something ear opening in switched on pop so join US search for switched on pop in your favorite podcast APP and listen to an episode about your favorite artists and subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you're listening to get new music explainers every week and after listening you might want to check out. Our new book switched on Pop. How POPULAR MUSIC. Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks welcome to another edition of the Bruins and the boys podcast brought to you. By blogging. The boys espy nation swimming in the box media. Podcast network. I'm your host Michael Sizemore. You can follow me on twitter at Mr Sizemore and you can follow us at boroughs in the boys and at blogging boys with me as always he's the man of the hour he's too sweet to be sour folks. My colleague blogging voice. Mr Tom Rile a band. It's been weeks since we've been in your ear. We're GONNA start doing our podcasts. A little bit more consistently weekly. We just had a couple of things. Come up got busy. But we're back. We're talking Dallas cowboys. The cowboys have still not signed Dak Prescott to a long term deal still left side of Mauri Cooper to a long term deal. They haven't been able to do anything just yet but I guess what's on everybody's mind right now. Tom Is the CBA the NFL in the NFL PA or negotiating on a collective bargaining agreement and the CBI. Has You know they have? They have put forth a couple of different changes that they wanted to make the NFL. And the first thing is is that there are harping again on trying to add games to the season They WANNA make it at least a seventeen game season. And what can you tell us about what the NFL and the NFL? Pa are currently negotiating in terms of changes to the well. It's it's really the the NFL's Kinda taken okay here. It is take it or leave it. Let's see what if you will? We can do here And the NFL. Pa is kind of balking a little bit of some of the things and you know one of one of the big bones of contention is the seventeen game. Season would come with dropping one of the preseason games which I got no problem at all with that anybody would have a problem with not seeing a fourth or fifteenth preseason games that's what it feels like. Yeah but they they. They didn't add another by weekend. They want to just go with one. Bye Week with a seventeen gain. Which is that is something that the are not real happy about because it's already tough enough to get through a sixteen game season and if if you're going to add another game the another by week would be very helpful seems to be off the table from the NFL's perspective now. There's all kinds of questions about. How do you schedule The seventeenth game and I think actual do some pretty interesting things with it like you know establish a arrival in the other conference for every team and maybe do geographically or Dallas would play the Texans every year and and then you have like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia playing in the giants and the jets play? There's a lot of things they could do with that. And that's just that's just something technically to be worked out with the scheduling and we must remember that they're talking. I think about this all starting in twenty twenty one or maybe even twenty twenty two. It's not something that immediately. Yeah I don't think it affects this fall as I understand it but until they actually sit around and sign something. We're not going to be sure you mentioned. You mentioned the seventeen game schedule in not having another bye week. I think that that's gotTa be a sticking point for the NFL PA because like you said it's so difficult for players to to get their bodies ready each week to play in what you know. Essentially as a car crash every single weekend young to have them put more more damage more more miles on the on the body without getting another by week. It just seems like something. It seems like something that they wouldn't want to really do. Yeah and I I can. I can fully see how they feel that way because that that seventeenth week is one more time you're risking the rest of your contract For whatever is not guaranteed so yeah and and the NFL. Thune this weird provisions on that. Because obviously they're going to a seventeenth week the players are GonNa want more money so there's the NFL said okay. We'll just add another game check onto everybody's contract but then they added this thing we're going to cap at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You know for like eighty eighty five percent of the players. That doesn't really impact much for anybody who lives making more than four million dollars a year. Which is you know. Most of your starting quarterbacks and stuff you're giving up hundreds of thousands of maybe as a million dollars in pay and it's all like I saw that as like they trying to give put a poison pill in this thing. Yeah so anyway they would let that happen especially those higher paid players. That's a big portion of their salary and for that risk of You know potential season in the injury. What happens to all of a sudden? Dc Your stars bogging even playing in that last game especially on all the teams that aren't really playing for anything you know and that just seems to be a real the real issue and I don't know why it's in there. It's I'm going to be very to see how that part plays out. Because that's just kind of strange. Yeah that that would be very strange and and you know so. There's also a lot of talk with how this this. Cba affect what the cowboys are trying to do with Dak Prescott. Because last week it came out that the the new CBA negotiated to where the cowboys could end up. Losing that option at that second tag. So they only really have the franchise tag available and if they tagged Dak with that then Amari Cooper. They can't transition tag him Because they only have the one tag. So it's Kinda putting pressure on the cowboys to possibly get this done early with day. Prescott but then again everybody's kind of waiting on pins and needles the CBA to me to be negotiated. So it's kind of a chicken egg chicken series for me. Tom. What's going to happen I. Yeah and it's it's a little confusing because the NFL has has made some provision. They push back the deadline on the tag a couple of days and talked about going ahead and operating with two tags If they don't get the CBA done or you know it's a little fuzzy exactly what's going to happen. I don't think anybody's really certain right now. How that's going to be in effect when the time comes but yeah they. They've got to get that first domino done with DAX so they can move on because they got you know several contracts and we'll talk a little bit about some of that After the break here. And but yeah. It's it's kind of interesting thing and and the cowboys are watching it very closely because it directly affects what they're GONNA do and they've they've got you know like I said big decisions coming out how they're going to put this all together but there's you know there's a couple of things something that's come out of the. Nfl also wants to go to fourteen. Playoff teams essentially only have one team. We'll have a by and the wild card weekend will be six games instead of four. That's yeah that's one of those things that yeah kind of can see having the extra game definitely is going to increase viewership Is it going to dilute the pool? I I don't know it's kind of hard. I liked the twelve game. The twelve team Playoff structure they have now at the. I'm not going to be fourteen Tom. You're talking about almost half the league in the playoffs. Yeah and that was one thing I thought the the NFL had that was kind of an advantage over the Say the NHL of the NBA. And the fact that you know I. The regular season Games meant more. And it's it's one of those. Yeah I can see the plus and minus but the NFL is kind of taken the stance that that does not have to be part of the CBS negotiation. They have taken the stand say can go ahead and implement that anyway I I understand that you know more teams want to be in the playoffs and they want you know so they want to have like that tangible success so they can show their fan bases but I mean is it really successful. If you're just GONNA have a number seven and nine team from some of these bad you know divisions or you know even your increasing the chance that you can even have a six and ten team you know and yeah in the playoffs and that to me. I don't understand I know that Jerry Jones has out. Long been a proponent for expanding the PLOP playoff teams and stuff and he because he wanted to see his. You know ate and Ate Cowboys. Be Able to be in the playoffs. But I just don't see the point of having fourteen teams in the playoffs. You're talking about half the lead like you said it kind of dilutes. It kind of dilutes. The playoffs in kind of takes away the one thing that the NFL has over other sports because the NBA playoffs. Nobody wake it's not going to be on the same type of level but the NFL playoffs or watched those first round two people get people get excited about finals. I mean you and I we talk. We've talked baseball like I don't even watch baseball until a world series basketball. I'll watch a little bit more but it not not much in in in hockey. I don't watch it. Also these long drawn out postseasons if they do that get with the NFL. I think that they're actually doing themselves a disservice because it's going to dilute their products but the one thing they have is that it does extend it at all because it still just going to be three rounds round still be wildcard just me an extra wildcard team for each conference which I get but I also just think that again we're talking about do. Does a seventy nine team deserve to make the playoffs team deserve to make the playoffs but how many times you know era? Occasionally you'll have a situation where there is a ten and six doesn't make it true about that that's what they're looking at and you know it would. It would probably lead to frequently seeing a nine and seventeen squeak in deal with. Yeah is it's one of those things that I think is kind of a moot point because the owners seemed committed to this As another care to give the The networks and the The webcasters More product That they know they'll get ratings on. So yeah I think it's I think that's going to happen. And there's really not a whole lot we can do about it The cowboys are one of the teams exactly are so is there anything else. Cba related that is out there that we might need to Mention here that like just a couple of things making kind of minor but they are talking about increasing the roster to fifty five from fifty three and also the Game Day roster. We'd go from forty six to forty eight. That would be something every team would like. Yes you know. The more bodies you've got the MO the more people you've got you know particularly those two extra bodies on game day that's going to probably help special teams a lot. Yeah for sure because you know that a lot of times you get down to your forty six man roster and that's those decisions who's going to be an active each week a lot of times Teams even the cowboys. Have you seen it before? They have to deactivate Tristen Hill. Whom they would really like to have as an extra defensive tackle but because he gives them no offer on special teams they have to have some linebacker. Come up they have to play. Gifford are they have to have somebody else a corner or DB or somebody a wide receiver. Because they can't really afford to be without that extra special teams person it also may give is GonNa give them possibly as you said somebody that they can have out there and US on the field and and get some Reps. Let's say a Brandon Knight makes the roster? Well maybe you can keep him active and let him go out and get some work on kicks. Just just. There's there's to me that's just a positive and and I don't see why they would object to increasing them. I don't think you've got a problem with deluding talent pool. And and they're also talking about expanding the practice squad In a couple of steps I to twelve into fourteen which is to me is another positive it just. It's just more jobs absolutely job for football players and it gives more it gives chances for guys that need extra development to get that development. And 'cause sometimes you know they're not good enough to make make the roster and you gotTa make a decision on your your practice squad and so guys end up just end up in wasteland looking for things like the xfl or something to come along that can give them the opportunity to do something here. So I wheat green with both of those points on on that time. Think that a fifty or forty game day roster would be great fifty five roster would be great for any team and we've seen some cases of guys that were probably one of the last cuts for the cowboys going somewhere else and having some pretty decent seizes that would have been nice to assign them doing that with star in there but we could do that and talk chart various ward. And then we'd start crying so let's not do that Horrid take a quick break when we come back Enough of the CBI. We're GONNA talk about free agency. And I feel like we've talked about Dak Prescott in the morning Cooper enough and we know that nothing's going to happen until that gets done but for today we're going to focus on two defenders and the cowboys need to possibly resign. We'll be right back on the Brisbane. Boys' podcast hello. This is Jesse Dave Fox. I'm senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. Podcast about well jokes every week. Sit Down with a comedian comedy writer director who lives to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with pen in the head and physically write down. Everything has not my style turns out. Comedians take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay what I do. That's what I live with is really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? I nothing guy. I'm not I'm not a curse. Good one from culture and box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast at you. Do not use the puck apparant letter. Great Question Jesse David Fox and we are back on the Bruce and the boys podcast. I'm Michael Sites where you can follow me on twitter atmosphere sizemore. I got Tom Morale with me. You didn't following at Tom Rile. Btv Let's Talk Free Agency. We're GONNA kinda get into a preview mode of just what free agency can look like for the cowboys. Because the cowboys have a ton of free agents and Yeah I think a lot of a lot of free agents and a surprising number of very good was and walk into the assumption that they're going to figure something out with Daqing Amari and I think that is a safe assumption to make this point. I just don't see the night getting something done with either them. So that comes up to the next name on the list in its Byron. Jones Byron Jones. I want today. I want to focus on two defenders fire and Jones. WanNa focus on Robert Quinn because I think those are the top four free agents. The cowboys have so focus on Byron Jones. I because we talked about it before Tom. But we don't know exactly. How the coaches feel about Byron Jones? But we do know one thing since the cowboys are probably not as good of a defense without it and if the League is very high on him you know he will get snapped up if they the cowboys make what I think is a mistake. And don't sign him The NFL just put out their top. One hundred one free agents and you know I you see the Dak is one in. Amari is three and then down at not very far at number nine. There's Byron Jones the League sees his value. And I just it drives me crazy that there's people but go I can't even have interceptions. Yeah but he's doing a lot of good back there stopping passes from getting completed. That's yes in Byron Jones is okay. What Fire Jones Calling Card athleticism? Yeah one of the most athletic corners. Long Corner Best you know. He's a sticky sticky man defender. And that's what Chris Rashard liked about it because he leaves razor thin. You know razor thin amount of space between him and the person that he is defending has Aaron been beat. Sure he has lots of guys get beat. Every top corner in the league gets beat. I'll tell you right now. Dion Sanders has been beat before. Okay and I get that. Everyone's upset about the interceptions like he doesn't get a lot of picks. Okay so yeah. That's that's but interceptions in turnovers and things like that. Those aren't real measurable you don't you can't predict stuff like that. You can't predict what those what what somebody's going to how many interceptions are going to get. How many sacks they're going to get it just depends on everything around him. Byron Jones is the cowboys top corner but Byron. Jones is going to command a lot of money and right now a spot track has Jones market value at a five year. Seventy one million dollars about in fourteen fourteen point two million annually. That seems like a lot to pay. But I think the cowboys have some of the most SP- cap space in all of the NFL. Right now. That Yeah Shelly. That people should understand that maybe Byron Jones resigning him. That's probably the best they could do. Because what do they do? They don't sign your you're not gonNA replace his coverage ability and you're talking about the how. How Crystal Shard liked him. I admit I would be just gold to find out what Maurice Linguist and Al Harris think about him. And how would they want to coach him? Especially since Al Harris. Tom is a man cover teacher. Like that's what he does is man coverage that since that's his specialty press man and we. I don't know this but I suspect they are just chomping at the bit to see what they can do with a little bit of coaching and maybe give him a little bit better on his ball awareness and stuff it just. He's just seems too valuable a piece. You should not let someone like that walk and the cowboys can can manipulate the cap space with their bonus structures and deferred money all that stuff and they can find the room to get to sign not just top three. But they're top of four free ages and still have room to work for the for the fill in other blue holes. There may still have would. It might keep them for making a big free agent signing from the outside but it still is doable and that and that's kind of what I want to get because look let's say the cowboys just don't want to pay that price tag. They don't WanNa give Byron fourteen million per year they don't WanNa pay him seventy one million dollars okay. Well it's not like the they're going to be able to sit there and fill his role with anyone. I I don't know how the cowboys coaches spiel. About Jordan Lewis. I think Jordan. Lewis is good and he can start. I think the cowboys you can't just go and sign you know who's the other Anthony Brown and be like. Hey guys we're good. We're good here because Cheeto a YMCA has so much technical issues that he has to fix like turning his head and being able to stay in. Stay in the play. Those kind of those kind of issues Jordan. Lewis is going to be limited by size at times and Anthony. Brown is going is a vast guy but I'm not. I don't necessarily think that he is the most disciplined corner so Byron Jones is their best corner if they do not resign Byron Jones. What do they do okay? We'll say well we'll just drop the guy. Okay just draft a Guy. Okay and then you have wh who you're GONNA draft and they're gonNA have their own growing pains they're gonNA show up in automatically look better than Jordan Lewis or should They're not GONNA do that. And you're going only going into the draft with seven picks and you've got a you've got several holes to fill you know we've we've talked about you know we're talking about corner if they if they don't do Jones but then they still gotta worry about safety and then you know. Georgia's bigger way bigger of a whole at safety. Then they are anywhere else and then then if you take out Byron Jones and you don't resign him then you're a major whole on the whole back end of your defense. They've already got. You've got needed defensive. Tackle too so yeah. You've got Y- yeah you. You can't sit there and say that you're going to go into the draft because a it's a college player you never know for sure how they're going to do taking the next step and there's almost always some growing pains and you know and so let's say if the cowboys so in my mind in my opinion here if the cowboys say no to Byron Jones will then they have to go out in free agency and they've got a sign somebody that can play and somebody that can actually play well You're probably not going to be quite as good. Know exactly. Because their backup plan the best they could probably do is go after the Denver Corner. Chris Harris he's thirty years. Old has his market values about thirty three million dollars. So it's about eleven million a year and he's got twenty career interceptions that's great but he's thirty years old so now you're you're still just kicking that CANTU next year. What you're GONNA do afterwards. Yeah you know then. They could possibly go after cornerback. Trae waves from Minnesota three years. Twenty five million dollars is what it's looking like. His spot track you know. Mark Value is eight million annual. He's got seven interceptions to his career and he's twenty seven years old same age as Byron Jones. And right there I can tell you. He's not as good. I mean I'm just not. He's just not as good. So are you really. If you're going to free agent way you're still going to have to spend some money a pretty penny if you will I think that you would just be better off. Re-signing your own guy and keeping him in your on your roster for the next five years. Yeah and and like I said you're going to manipulate those contracts and set them up so that you can work them in under the salary cap and you're you can still do it in have room for our fourth guy. Yes and that's why we're going to start talking about Robert Quinn so Robert Clinton leads the cowboys and sacks with twelve sacks last year. He was exactly what you believe would be. If you've got demarcus Lawrence help demarcus Lawrence. I know a lot of people are down on his production last year but he was he was more productive for the cavaliers last year. Bass what you see when people are double teaming demarcus Lawrence you get a guy like Robert Quinn in here. And he has a huge year. Well he is going to be thirty years old and his market value right now. It is three years thirty five and a half million an average of about eleven point eight million a year and there are folks out there that you know. I think most people would rather resign. Robert Quinn I think I would rather resign Robert Quinn. I think we're starting to see in the league that pass rushers even older pass rushers. Terrell suggs are still very productive in the NFL. And I think that the cowboys another thing just like we said Tom with with Byron Jones. If you don't have Robert Quinn there that you're back to square one where demarcus Lawrence is the best guy on your football team on your defensive line and everybody just kind of bills in. Yeah and they don't produce much. Yeah and I don't think that's what what Might Nolan Jim or wanting to look at they. They want the horses. Course coaches always want the horses to go out there but Yea I think they need to. A quicken has indicated is very open to staying in Dallas. And so you know maybe maybe they get something done with him Before the the others because he is probably be the smallest hit of all of them and so about a three year deal. I think it's very much doable for the cowboys here. Thirty five and a half million dollars are going to be provision in there. There's going to be ways they can. The cowboys can protect themselves. And it's always really a two year deal with the third year in fact what are you. GonNa you GONNA eat some dead money but it's not gonNA cripple you exactly because I think folks are kind of getting ahead of themselves your Tom by saying like well. They can't do all of this. They can't do everything yes they can't as I think that just people are getting ahead of themselves with Robert Quinn. Thinking that the cowboys can't do it all and and I really think they can't. I'm I think that if they they gotta get the Dak Prescott Stuff Amari Cooper done I or they can't really start doing anything else Which we know but these are guys that are off Robert Quinn in Byron Jones. Our guys that if they walk out that door you now have put yourself in a worse position and there's not a lot out there that you can. You could feel with that. What are you GONNA do? If you don't re-sign Mar- Robert Quinn you're GONNA look to Buffalo's defensive in Shack Lawson twenty five years old. I mean he's probably GonNa get an ice deal it's going to be you know somewhere around eight or nine million a year for four year deal. Then you're sitting or you could go after Atlanta's Vic Beasley who the Falcons said. They plan to resign which should be a red flag right there. What's going on there so I don't know Tom? I just think that the cowboys would be really kind of in a bad situation to start out and they are a team that just because they changed over. The coaching staff doesn't mean there's not high expectations and they've got you know they're going to have some other free agents. They need to to to resign. You know because you know just broth top top of things you know. They don't have a place kicker or a long snapper under contract yet and they've got you know one the Waikele solution of if he doesn't want to retire Lucy a lot of fear rather and then Kai forbath they should at least bring back lane. Try for the job. So you gotTa have. They gotta get some things sorted out because there's a lot of work to be done before the draft. Yeah there is a lot of work to be done before the draft but I think that if you talk about the cowboys top four you know free decisions they gotta make. We know those top two but I think that Byron Jones and Robert Quinn or the next two and I really feel that people get excited about draft season. Tom and they start thinking about. Oh we just go out there and get Christian Fulton and put that corner in there in guys he's GonNa have he's GonNa have his struggles. He's gotTa be a rookie and I really would. I mean if you asked me who I'd rather replace in in the draft. It would be the corner. 'cause DEFENSIVE ENDS. Rookie defense events. Yes they do not have a good track record of producing. It usually takes about three years for those guys to hit their stride. And meanwhile you know I'd rather see them. Put the money into safety exactly. I'd rather see them. Put the money into safety. Get a young safety in. There's somebody with playmaking ability whether it's you know. Whether it's Xavier mckinney. The cowboys are are are apparently high on or other people that right around the cowboys beat are very high on or grant from lsu something somebody back there a a a nice like you know balanced defensive back for the safety group because that's something they've been trying to fill for a long time and have it but having to if you take two of your guys out now if you take the corner. Audi Take Byron Jones out a guy. That's you know. Played very well for you. Maybe doesn't have all the interceptions but he's not also giving up a lot of huge place. And then you take out Robert Quinn. The Guy that just leads the team in sacks I mean you're putting yourself in a pretty big hole and you gotta decide. You know which is which is better which is going to help my team. Do I need to get defensive? Lineman right now do. I need to get a corner or do I need to get a safety. And now you're just sitting there adding more holes instead of putting filling instead of making yourself feel better about your. And how many starting rookies do you want to have to rely on exactly? I don't think you want to have to rely on a lot. Especially if you're going to be paying high prices for your receiver in your quarterback you need to make sure that you keep that team as best you can when you have a salary cap to keep them in tax. You can actually perform and live up to your expectations and get and get in the playoffs and do something. Because you don't WanNa be sending their years later like the cowboys were after the Tony. Romo years sitting there saying that we would have just put something in there. We could have been better so looking at free agency Tom. I think that you know it starts and ends with Daqing Amari. And then you gotTa look to Byron Jones and your Defensive End Robert Quinn. I think that all four of those are essential signings. The cowboys have to make what say you can get those for back under contract than the then you can go and do your you know. Second Way Free Agent Third Way Free Agent Bargain shopping. And Look. Who you've got that you can get on economical deals and I just. I just think they need to deal with those those four real stars guys that are all on all the top one hundred free agent lists and all using for them. Yes yeah well. That's all we got to talk to you about today. We're going to continue our lists and looking at the cavalry spree. Agents is it. You should think about think about resigning. Say when we come back next week. We'll talk to you soon. Cowboys Nation Take Care Brews in the boys was created by Tim. Phillipi Michael Sizemore. The show is a production of sway. Media is brought to you by way of blogging. The boys espy nation. In as part of the VOX media podcast network. The show is hosted by Michael Sizemore. Tom Rile and is produced and edited by Tim Philipe. The show's theme. 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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers' Free Agent moves shows they are "all in" this year

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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers' Free Agent moves shows they are "all in" this year

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Make sure you're listening to that and you're doing what you're supposed to do in terms of shelter in place make sure you're listening to everything and listening to whatever your local politician is having you say and the title of this programming. Yes big up Jay man. This is the Maroon. This is the Carnegie Mellon. I am a Carnegie Mellon Alum and a title of this program is the steelers free agency moves. Show that they are all in. Thank you Steven for the well wishes. I am in California as most of you know in the entire state is in a shelter in home or shelter in place so for me. That means that I'm working at home and I'm doing this show actually on my lunchtime. So Aka steeler is this show is a k a called Brunch with big SOI. Because I'm bringing it to you during my lunchtime but before we were going to do the show we we had to do a little switch today because today has been pretty fast if yours in terms of the Pittsburgh steelers so there something that I'm going to talk about as well. I was originally going to tease the show. Yeah I said that the steelers should signed Jameis Winston. I'm GonNa talk about that but I wanNA talk about the free agent moves in the free agent moves. There were two. Steve was new. Ski signed a two year deal worth two point. Eight two point. Eight five million dollars of that. Three hundred seventy five K. Is Guaranteed in Eric. Brown signed a two year deal for twelve million dollars. And of course we know that. Derek Watt signed his deal earlier in the week. Big Up to read overhand. Read your lot younger than I am. Class of nineteen ninety four the hind school which I think has been renamed But anyway for the steelers today now. I'm on record saying I was not very excited about the Derek whyte move. I just don't think you. Allocate any resources for fullback position And I'm not considering I'm GonNa talk about Worm Lee as well but that's not a free agent move that's trade but we are going to talk about that I wasn't excited about the what move. I just. Don't think you allocate resources for a fullback. They just aren't really useful in the modern game now. I think what they're trying to do with that. Move as they're trying to replace tyler manner cage and Rosie Nix with one move. I think what is going to primarily be The special teams captain in that Type Guy. He's not a guy that's had a lot of. Carey's he's not a guy that had a lotta catches I just think he's going to impact the offense in. That's why I think that you go out there and spend free agent money for Dare Guat let alone that your first signing so I was pretty down and adopts when I saw that as the first signing but boy Friday everything has changed or Friday. And let me just go on and say when you guys listen to this show You know we do the homework hater show on Sunday. I'm the hater JUSTA A homer. I'M GONNA have to switch hats now. I'm going to have to be the homer. I really love what the steelers did with the three agent signings. Today's free agent signings as well as the trade they did with the Baltimore Ravens. And we'll talk about that when you're talking about. Steve was new ski and I have to review him on film. I'M GONNA take a look at how he played during the playoff run for Kansas City. He's coming off a winning consecutive thing not consecutive wings. But he's a ring with Philadelphia. Just WanNa ring with The Kansas City chiefs. Let me let me answer Darren. Don's question really quick any answers for why the full-back positions dying position specifically for the Pittsburgh steelers dying position because offense is WanNa get multiple people outta routes unless you have a full back in back and catch the football when you put a backward field. You're declaring that you're going to run the football or even if you don't In most cases you do run the football Defense is no that that fullback isn't a threat in the passing game. So I think that's why you see the full back Go Away into nap. Nineteen sixty three. Yes I am the greatest hater of all time but I love these moves when you look at the deal for with news e two years two point. Eight five million dollars. Three hundred seventy five K. GUARANTEE. The one thing that jumps out to me is it's not starter money and you're talking about a guy believe who's a ten year vet two time superbowl bowl champion so you're talking about a guy that's experienced a guy that's from the area and a guy that has played quality football during the playoff run as recently as last year. So when you look at the money I don't think it totally eliminated. The Pittsburgh steelers could take a guard early and I think with his ability to play center and guard. He's positioned flexible. I think he replaces. Bj Finney and also if you want to make him the starter give it his pedigree former second round draft picking. I like to look at. I like to look at signings in terms of the three. Ps performance pay pedigree. When you look at his performance he just recently played during the playoff run winning Super Bowl. You look at his pay. His pay is very is very low in terms of a cap impact in his pedigree. He's a former second round draft. Pick you put all those together and you look at positional. Need for the steelers. I think it's solid and I think until let's say the steelers wrap a guard early high second round. He can be a guy that can start initially and then you can work in that draft. Pick because of his experience in position flexibility. Also I think when you bring was news ski in what it prevents you from doing is moving filer to left guard and then creating two unknowns on the offensive line so you don't know if he can play left guard down in down out and then you'd have to replace the right tackle this way with with new ski. Even if they don't draft a guard high in the draft. He can you can plug in play him in the offensive line in from left to right the offensive line would be Alejandro Villanueva. You'd have with new ski boy. That's a lot of letters in back-to-back Stars Villanova and with new ski in that. That would be a lot of letters. You Got Markey's penalty the anchor on the Interior. The David Decastro. And then you have fire. I don't know if that line is as good as it was last year. But I think because you can replace one position in not to the level of uncertainty is minimized. If you're trying to move a guy to guard and then trying to find a tackle 'cause I'm not comfortable with Chuck's occur for Ores Zach. Banner being the starting right tackle. I think that would be a very big drop off from filer because I think you could argue that filer might have been their best offensive lineman last year and I think if you look at. Pf grades. He probably was their best offensive. Lineman last year so I think absolutely the move is fantastic from a positional need and from pay perspective. And so like Sinead Yvette. Said I thought you were calling. Land a hater in a bad way. I'm not a hater in a bad way. And so let me jump to is questioned. Ambig- UP TO ISAAC IN SUPER CHAT. If you guys want to contribute to the show hit the like button hit subscribe so we got sixty seven people right now the livestream that means all of you guys have to hit the like button immediately. If you WANNA help by donating a super chat hit the super chat button. You can donate in that way you can give a contribution a financial contribution to the show. Also you can subscribe to the show. Big Up to Isaac Aggie land in Isaac asked. A question is the bronze signing sexy. Enough for you it absolutely is. The bronze signing is the type of signing. See because I I did this series earlier about points and just how important points are and just how important point differential is. I'm on record as saying that I need. I think the steelers have to get to about twenty eight points per game when you Eric E. Bronx and looking at performance pay pedigrees. Sometimes I shift the PS around. You're talking about performance. This guy's a former first former pro bowl you're talking about pedigree former first round draft pick and for two years at twelve million dollars and that's the general terms of the contract. I don't know how to contract is detail. I'm sure over. The category in Winston will have that big up to end went stone. If you want to get more information about the cap make sure you check out our standards standard or the homer the hater show from Wednesday where we talk to. End Winston. We have Dave on. We had jeff on his well. Fantastic show And I'll get to that Darren. Dog Darren asks what's the current cap space after he signs now court according to over the CAP. I think it's seven million but they that that's not factoring Hebron so over the capital probably updated a little bit later And it works a little bit different shock to Shaam. Brigo said like one million dollars. It works a little differently. I ca six million would be the average. So that's not necessarily how that's going to work out in terms of How will impact the capsule we just gotTa wait and see? I would say that. It's probably around five million. When you think of Eric Brown Eric E. Bron and pick up to big rush and we're going to jump into big big Russia's questions they let me read this too because they kind a co they coincide Isaac in big rushes and thank you for the contribution big rust for ninety nine big up. Make sure you're safe. Man Washing your hands in quarantining yourself. He said Enron is the most athletic tied. And we've ever had. He's going to get a lot of attention. He's always been underrated in been will love big target and been love big targets. Let's just say this I agree. I think Enron is probably the most athletic tied in that they've ever had now eric. Green was a physical freak back in the day but in terms of the current tight end a seem stretcher. Big Fast target he is. You're absolutely right big rush. He's the most athletic tight end and I talked about point differential in adding points. This is the type of this is the type of move you make to score more points. The steelers have got to get up to about twenty eight points per game. We're GONNA talk about some great news. That Big Ben Released Today. I don't know if it was via his website but ESPN and a lot of Outlets reporting it behind the curtain is reporting it already as well And Wayne Johnson. I think he's trying to correct me. Evron or e Brown. I think it's e Bron not Ed Brown either way. You guys know what I'm talking about when you put him and Vance McDonald. This is probably the first time that the steelers have had to tied in that can vertically stretch the only issue I have with having to tidy as that can vertically stretch is blocking who is going to block in the run game in read over hands right to it into Castro can still be restructured if they need more space. That's my only issue. That is my only issue is who is going to block in the run game when they're trying to pull when you're running that play the counterplay. Decastro WHO's GonNa who's GonNa Block that defensive end or outside linebacker on the edge to seal the outside when they're running the counterplay that's the only thing but but I love the fact that they have to guys that can vertically stretch now the way you work around it as you. Just don't run counter as much or possibly you bring in your fullback Derrick. What when you run the counterplay. There's ways that they can get to it. But I love the fact that they have to guys that can vertically stretch now Grayson browns point. He's not gonNA vertically stretch as well as Jared Cook but when you put e- Bron Vance McDonald. That is tough to deal with for defenses in. That's the type of move that is sexy enacted type of move that the steelers need because going into this drab. There is an issue around tided specifically tied in depth. I mean the only usable tied in on the roster essentially was vast McDonald's so that means the nets not coming back and the rookie doesn't even matter. We don't even know if the rookie can play now. The issue is the only issue. I'm saying that they they're not blockers. They are not blockers so that is going to be interesting in terms of how they do it now. There was another movie that they made this day. And I didn't count that in terms of free agency moves. 'cause it wasn't in. This was the trade that they made the fifth round trade They gave up a fifth rounder in twenty. Twenty one to to acquire defensive lineman. Chris warmly and seventh rounder in twenty twenty one now in terms of performance pedigree in pay in terms of performance. I don't really know who Chris warmly is in terms of pedigree. I really don't know what his pedigree is in terms of pay. I'm sure he's pretty cheap. Now for depth. It's great to do an inter divisional trade. Those are rare doing interactive digital trade. Now the ravens have done a lot of different moves. I'm not really familiar. Requests warmly. I can watch on them. I'm not really sure what he does. What he's good at. One thing I will say is he must not have really been valued because typically you don't do individual trades. You know he must have been worth a back. A hot baggy Nichols but what I will say is he does provide depth and dewayne Williams wrote Chris. Warmly is good rotational player. Not a starter and that's all you need. Sometimes it's sometimes you just need snaps and let me read the comments from William Mallory who said being in being in the Detroit or being in Detroit. I've seen Lebron play a lot. He's a big target. He can run block dropped balls in Detroit Chicago but had a breakout year with indie can be a deep threat. I mean that's all you want. I mean sometimes you want guys that can vertically stretched to seem to create space underneath. Just imagine right. You've got two tight ends. Let's say that the steelers aren't twenty two personnel right or let's say twelve personnel right. That's one running back to tied in two wide receivers right and so let's say that those two wide receivers are Deontay Johnson joosten issues. We all know how Juju the work underneath. Can you imagine a space that you're GonNa get if you have Vance McDonald and you have ebro? Running the scenes hiring is difficult. You're looking for the just right candidate for your team's unique needs but knowing to start the search can be challenging. According to Ziprecruiter research three out of four employers say they're having a hard time filling open positions if you've got a difficult role to fill no matter what industry you're in hire with Ziprecruiter and right. Now you can try Ziprecruiter for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Vox here's how ziprecruiter finds candidates that you can get excited about. I they send your job to over one hundred top job sites. And what they're powerful matching technology ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find the people with the right skills and experiences for your job and actively invites them to apply it so effective that four out of five employees who pose fund ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day to try Ziprecruiter for free go to ziprecruiter dot com slash. Vox that's ziprecruiter DOT COM slash V o X ziprecruiter dot com slash. Vox Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire. What that's going to do is lift safeties. It's going to lift linebackers and it's going to allow due to work underneath and give Juju a ton of room Big Rush also chimed in with another super chat. Snacks Harrison would be a huge upgrade at no sacco. Now big rush. You're going to have to Let me know who snacks. That's a college player. I'M GONNA Apologize. Dig Rush. I do not know college players. I do not know college players and so I'm going to have to apologize about that snack about that about snacks Harrison. Thank you big rush for that contribution but I loved these moves. The reason I love these moves. These are moves for now. I think the steelers know that they are in all go mode especially with the news of big been and at the note the news of Big Ben and let me just read this quote. Let me just read. This quote? Does Big Ben talked about where he's at in his Rehab. He said quote. I'm throwing without pain for the first time. In years some games I would have a little pain some games. I would have a lot of pain. But in the New England game in Seattle game last season. It got to be too much to be able to throw without paying now. That feels nice. That's a nice feeling. I know I'm not getting any younger but I feel younger because I don't have pain. Let me see what else. Let me read you. What else been said he said In terms of his Rehab. He said he's throwing the ball twice a week. Forty Times a day for about twenty yards next. He said he's GonNa plan the ramp up throwing three times a week. He throws both from his knees and from a flat footed stance the practice getting his spin back he also has had throwing sessions with Ryan Switzer. He said quote out gradually ramp up the number of days in the throes in the distance and velocity. I really feel like I could let it rip right now. I had to. But what's the point? There's no need for me to rush it. Our goal was for me to be eighty ninety one hundred percent by OT as MINICAMP CAMP. And you may not have those anyway now. It looks like those things are going to be cancelled because of the corona virus pandemic. I can take my time a little bit more. The last thing he said was in his quotes about him being fat and I will apologize to big Ben on this platform. 'cause I used to call him been Albert because he did look fat but that was basically because of the beard because he looked like a a knockoff Moses when I saw him at the West Virginia game he said quote. I've heard people say I've fat and that just blows my mind. I'm lighter and in better shape than I was in either of the past two years. I haven't stopped working out. I normally don't work out in the off season but I've been doing everything five days a week with my training cardio twice a week lakes twice a week. Upper body twice a week the also said I guess it's my beard that makes me look at fear. I must have five pounds in that. I know but I'm not overweight. Let me just say this when you hear that as a steeler fan first of all he's not in shape? Dasha make you feel happy secondly I was wrong about him being in shape. That should make you feel happy. Thirdly I was being a hater about him being shaped Dasha make you happy and last but not least. Would Tom Brady in the NFC no New England in the AFC is upper. Well sort of grass because that Batman is still in Kansas City. But you should be excited because of everything that Colbert said earlier this year about Ben. Rob's Burger means. It's absolutely true. They knew he was right back then. They just didn't want to say but they knew he was physically right back then. Big Ben is back. The Big Ben is back and he better be back because his salary cap hit will be over forty million dollars next year. The Big Ben is back and for him to have gotten a restructure. He must have been right. I mean there's no way. They restructured that they only give been another twenty million dollar check if he's not right so it looks like. Big Ben is back. They got weapons. They got a weapon. In Iran they fortified the depth impossibly signed a starter offense to line. They added depth. The Defensive Lineman position only thing I don't like so far this off season is what that's the only thing that I don't like now earlier. We talked about if they needed cap space that they can. They can do some stuff with two or decastro. In terms of restructure at the top of the program we talked about Janus Winston and why it make sense for me if they have the space to go after a Jameis Winston because I think what we saw last year is with Big Ben. Coming back in big men only being under contract for two years. The steelers cannot let lack of quality depth. The quarterback position killed their seasons in West. Keeps saying what makes you dislike the move so much? Just fullbacks aren't useful. I don't think you signed. I don't think you sign special teams player to a free agent contract. I think you can find that. I don't think you need to allocate any resources towards it. They just don't make any impact on the offense and with been coming back. Ben Likes to throw a football anyways. Throw it most of the time anyway and unless y can catch the ball. We haven't seen at. Because he only has ten receptions career it doesn't work I mean okay blocking is great but I mean it you can find is the block. You don't sign free agents to block you. Just don't do that and I just don't like the move. Nothing is going to convince me I could be wrong. I mean I can clearly be wrong. I don't like the move and before I turn to my point about Janus wants to make sure you hit the light but we've got almost one hundred people in the live chaplain Lee got like twenty five likes. I know you like the show. I know you and I know you guys are active in the live chat. Hit the light but so me start off with way Johnson But let me fly. Before I jump into way. John's point let me jump into another a super chaff from Amman Jay. Singh what's up Sir He said if you WANNA get a little superstitious super bowl fifty. Five I believe is at Raymond James Stadium where the steelers want super bowl forty three also go tartans among must be a melon along because only mellon alarms note that the melon name is the Tartans Let me just jump into this. We'll talk about pedigree performance in pain. Let me break this down. Just be patient with me with James Winston and we'll talk about how within only being under contract for two seasons as he was cannot afford to lose it season based on lack of quality depth at the quarterback position in Mason Rudolph in Devon. Dodgers are not quality backups for Super Bowl team terms of pedigree. You're looking at a player. Who's a former overall top pick former overall? That's as high as you can get in terms of pedigree now in terms of performance. You're talking about a guy that was the leading the NFL's leading passer in terms of yards last year. A guy that has been to the pro bowl a guy with twenty eight wins and one hundred twenty one texting. You put all that together in terms of an upgrade to the backup quarterback position also. He could possibly serve as a bridge after been. But if you have James last year like big rush shed if the steelers had james last season they're in the playoffs yes he throws a lot of picks but Aryans also had him throwing the ball entirely too much so oh and also. I don't know how to pronounce the name but I'm GonNa dig up home for from Russia I want to pick up the homie from Russia. Who's listening to the show? Hopefully that's real big up to you if you really from Russia's so in terms of pedigree former overall topic performance through for over five thousand yards last year former pro bowl or twenty eight wins hundred twenty one. Td's in terms of pay where it works. James is not under contract and actually way Johnson. it was thirty three touchdowns and thirty interceptions and before. I continue my My point I want to just break into super chat from grace and brown what lands but a minute. My man hope you stay safe and healthy. Wants his balls over. Let's get a drink and sandwich and go to jeer. Donald's Oh so that means you're out here you're in you're in a unique area grayson absolutely. We will have to go to jeer. Donald's it's not as good as per matty's but if you guys don't know jeered donny's is a family that is believed related to the family that started per manny brothers in Pittsburgh so they know the the coleslaw recipe in the whole nine yards and their related so they do for Manny style sandwiches in San Francisco. I think it's all Columbus Street. I'VE BEEN TO JEERED DONALD A couple of times and had two sandwiches. they're fantastic. Not as good as getting them at home in the bird. But I'm a pepys dude anyway. like real trees e seventy one said. I'm a pepys do because I'm from the North Side. I get the Big Ben Rothlisberger Sandwich from pepys on Western Avenue on Western Avenue. That's where I get. I go to pepys but let me say this. Let me get back to. But thank you Grayson. I am doing well. Hopefully you're doing well also with the shelter in place now. In terms of the performance paying pedigree we talk so in terms of performance paying pedigree pay. He's cheap. He asked no deals. He wanted thirty million on open market. That's gone he has not been signed into first week. A free agency in its Friday. Now he may be signed by the time. This comes out I duNno genius expert. He's probably doing something. All of us would like to be doing right now. But genius genius If you're doing that and listening to this show and if you're in a live chat you know with genius type you Bam you a bad man. You're a bad man But the upgrade to the backup position would be astronomical now the downside in terms of performance or pedigree performance in pay is. He's a former overall topic. It's a quarterback he's on open market. What does that say to you that says to you that Jameis Winston has not lived up to that. I don't use when I talk about the three. Ps and ex potential. He is not lived up to his potential. And that is a con when you look at pedigree performance in pay because if your former overall number one pick in the draft at a quarterback position you should never hit the open market in terms of performance. One thing that's negative in terms of performance is the thirty interceptions in the fact that he's twenty eight and forty two overall record in. He has no playoff appearances. The thirty interceptions are bad but as a backup asked to win several games a couple of games. Three here there. He can do that he can do that at. He can't be controlled based on how you call a game. Areas had him putting on the Kate. Enduring silly stuff he may be bad throws but it silly stuff but in terms of Rico Parsons Point I agree. I think Winston will be more disciplined and steelers offense. He wouldn't have to do too much. 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Crock DOT com slash plant dash butter and see what all the plant based hype is about. Hello this is Jesse Dave Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and host. The podcast. Good one eight podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director who listen to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pen and the pad and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live or there's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing Guy I am not. I'm not sure mark curse good one from Boulter and the box media podcast network subscribed for free on apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. You do not use the PUCK Catherine. I'll let a great question Jesse David Fox. You know some tough games or whatever I mean. He's Charlie Batch two point like James Grabber said he's Charlie Batch two point. Oh now let me check my phone. I'm getting some messages from my fellow. Podcasters they ask me. Can I get your grades of the four newcomer so I can average the grades in Article? That's what Brian Davis BIG UP TO YOU. So so so bed. Let me give you my grades. Better let me give you my grades on these moves but I like. I like James as a backup. Let me give you my last. My last my pay in terms of the cons when it comes to pedigree performance impact. He probably won't take a one year deal for minimal money he probably won't He probably won't do that. It'll probably really hard to sign him because You know he's not gonNA WANNA pay for that. I am big rush. Said I would have an issue of James was being brought into start. But he's the perfect backup. We couldn't throw over ten yards last year. Janus is a huge upgrade. He absolutely is a huge upgrade. But the steelers have limited resources to lose dampers point. I don't think that he would take a small deal on a one year to play for the steelers. I but he's going to have to play for backup money. And that's why if you don't do what maybe you have. More MONEY TO ENTICE JAMEIS WINSTON. To come to the back of he would be the perfect backup in. He could be the BRIDGE TO THE NEXT GUY. If ben comes back and he's not good because if ben is not good. There's a scenario where I could see. You can't have a guy that's sub-standard quarterback with a forty million dollar cap. It so I. I would love if they could figure out some way to get the money to bring Jameson that fortify. The backup quarterback position. Steelers will be ready to rock and be ready to roll because I still think the steelers are extremely vulnerable with Mason. Rudolph Endeavour Duck. Hodges as your backup quarterbacks it gets hurt. The seasons IRAP. If being got her in they had James Winston. The season would not be over by any means. James is a overall top pick. James is a guy who threw for five thousand yards. James is a guy who for thirty three touchdowns and James is a guy that through thirty interceptions but to west point he said Winstons. Ego is far too big for all of that but she he's been humbled this week because there are no takers for him as a starter and mama gotta eat mama gotta eat. Baby needs new shoes. You know I don't know if I'm not. I'm not ready to say Mike o'malley that he's a loser and a bum but I'm not asking him to be a winner in a superhero. I'm just asking him to be what a backup that's it and none of you guys can tell me. He is not head and shoulders better than Mason. Rudolph and Devlin. Doug Hodges none of you guys can say that but two bads question the grades of the four newcomers so in terms of Derek Wa. I'm GONNA give that a d. I just don't like that move so I'm GonNa give that a D. in terms of with new Sqi. I'M GONNA give that to be. I think the position flexibility in the cost in the fact that he's a guy that's played in big spots in playoff games in two times winter. Actually I'm GONNA give that a B. Plus I'm GONNA give the Eric Ahead for the cost. Only two point eight million and so that money allows you to go out and draft another guy in the draft and bring him in as your starter in terms of the Eric Imron move. I love that Mov- I'm gonNA give that move a solid a because he's a former first rounder former Pro Bowler. I think he gives you two tight ends can vertically stretch and he brings a lot of dynamics to that offense in terms of both the Chris warmly move. I'm going to give that a C. I just think it's an average move. I think he's just a depth guy when you do international trade. I don't think that the player that trade is is any good in particular. I want to thank you guys for May really for chopping in with the with the live chats outstanding with the live chats. You know before we get off the program man you know. We got seventy want people in here but we only got thirty nine likes. Make sure you guys definitely hit that. Let me go to West West. Wanted to chime in with his grades he said Whiz With new skippy plus. Evron a+ warmly see What was your grade West for what he gave watt a see anybody else want to jump in before we get out of here in terms of your grades for these moves out. Michael Malley said Winston would be F-. There's no way there's no way Jaimes Winston come into the steelers would be asked. So what do you think? Baser Rudolph was last year A. G. H. I. Ajay Element Opie. I mean come on Roy was horrible in duck was worse Jeff on saying what was a be Do some other grades West Hitchcock said is E. J. Man is laughing at me with all the jokes but again man. Before Winston he said Guy Rose at Winston would be a C. minus at Bronner's a C- But before we get off the program I really WanNa make sure that you guys are safe man. Make sure you're doing everything that you can't do. The not spread this terrible virus Israel California. My whole state is in a shelter in place. It's real man. Don't be like these dumb kids that went to the beach celebrated their spring break. Stay inside be responsible and make sure you're not spreading this thing around Jeffrey Benedict set. What is a Bi was new skis? Be Plus Air Bronzes. C warmly a B plus. I'm I'm sure Jeffrey. I respect Jeffrey. A Lot He must see something with warmly that I don't know I don't really know him as a player. I'm surprised that he's really down on Air Brown. I think offensively Ev Bron can do a lot of things in terms of creating space By being able to vertically stretch the field and changing dimensions of the field with his physical ability and like Ryan Co. Brian said. Yes we hang with you to be socially distant that's right Be Socially distant man. Listen to our shows man. We're GONNA keep bringing you guys content. We'RE GONNA be out on Sunday. We're going to be another show back to you. Sunday for the homered hater. Show Me Jeff. When talk more about free agency over auto probably get these moves to be big H He wrote before we get out of here with the last super chat must have seen something. Indeed people not happy. Tj First Round I'm trying to make that out Big Age if you WanNa leave another comment To make a little more clear Way Johnson once said I'm in Pasadena. Unfortunately I'M GONNA Central Job in need to work. My job is essential as well but I'm allowed to work from home because I can work from home. And that's right like William Mallory said quote touching your face. Quit touching other things like like my man. On the live chatty said he was touching a bunch of things And listen to the show. Guerrero said Let's go after. Jk Dobbins the interesting thing about getting a guard. It's not necessarily on the table in the second round when you get that When you when you do his new ski maybe with news could be your starter. He started in the playoff run for Kansas City. And I WANNA watch him I he could do the same for the steelers. I think that leaves running back possibly second round or some other positions. I don't think tidiness on board anymore now. The fact that they advance abroad I think. Tynan is out any had zags entry last year. I think time is definitely out But I hope they go offense. Wide Receivers specifically now in the second round With Iran out I would like I wouldn't mind why receiver or running back. I hope they go off now. If they go in with new skis the backup. I'm fine with that as well so I'M FINE WITH GUARD OFFENSIVE GUARD. 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It is the second week of free agency and things are starting to slow down a little bit There will definitely be some things that kind of you know. Pop off and some things that happen and names at join different teams and whatnot But the the big stuff is is definitely in the books and So we'll see what we got but I'm going to do our best to get as many friends as we can on this show. This week. We have Very special friend in store today. Jimmy Johns Seth. Now one of my best friends is been on the show several times and we got into. We talked about a variety of things including Jimmy's reaction to the Houston. Texans trading away de'andre Hopkins but before we get into all of that Did want to touch on a few things one with regards to the NFL calendar we've known For about a week now that the NFL is going to move forward with the NFL draft. They obviously move forward with her moved forward with agency. We know that there are what we had been told is that there wouldn't be any public events in Las Vegas. The draft is scheduled to be held at the end of next month and Almost about a month from now actually and we found out you know. It's hard to say found out but it was reported on Sunday but the Los Angeles Times that the NFL's look into kind of move out of Vegas entirely. And that honestly I think make sense you know given the climate of the world and social distancing and everything going on the NFL doesn't have to be in Las Vegas to broadcast the draft. There are thoughts and some speculation that they're going to try to do what they can from a creative aspect and in different. You know things that can do on television. Obviously this'll be a little bit different very different from any draft. I've ever seen and so they can do that from anywhere in the world. There's no need to be Las Vegas. I wonder personally if they'll go back to Las Vegas next year but it looks like the drafts going to be more remote thing. I have found it interesting personally to see this past week and Free Agency was going on. All the different analysts and reporters. We talked about this with Joe Thomas in their own homes How everybody's kind of set up. It's it's interesting to see how creative people can be in so You know going to be interesting to see how the NFL handles the NFL draft. That was the first thing of note the second thing was it was reported Sunday evening by the Dallas Morning News The Demons David Moore reported that Randy Gregory according to his sources will soon petition for NFL. Reinstatement and the cowboys are ready to. Welcome him back. Now we've known this for awhile. Randy Gregory would be kind of trying to make his way back on the NFL obviously the new CBA Sort of opened some more doors for him Or rather doesn't close as many doors for him. So I know the fans brought US mentioned that June might be the time that this kind of materializes for Andy Gregory so Very Exciting News Randy Is Somebody that I think. We're all rooting for and hoping the best for and so for Andy. Gregory can get back to the Dallas cowboys. Just in general. I think it would be awesome for random person from football aspect. Obviously August cow was another right end. Really kind of You know go party with but the last thing for us to get to before we get to our guest It came out on Saturday night. as I was watching one thousand nine hundred seventeen with my wife and dog. I mentioned this Jimmy But Great movie by the way finally got a chance to sit down and watch it super awesome but You know Mike Fisher. One Mike Fisher founded this show Fish reported on Saturday night to the cowboys are open to the idea of Damon Harrison. He snacks nickname fame and snacks. You know little while this was kind of going around twitter you know we had written about it. That blogging the boys and stuff. And we've done some stuff on instagram and everything and snacks tweeted out the eyeball emojis. Oh yeah that's that's when it gets serious so fingers crossed. Obviously if the cow was able to add snacks Harrison. I tweeted that I would cut my own hair that I would. I would try to come out here. I that point with the self quarantining. I'm my hair's very long. I I normally think we're very short and so it's a lot longer than I like it. So if snacks wants to push me over the edge so be it but I will cut my hair myself. Try if the cowboys are able to land snacks Harrison. It'd be awesome. I think everybody thinks would be awesome. So hopefully the car was able to in fact land snacks Harrison. But that about does it for you. Know the beginning of the show at least And it's it's time it's time to get to our guests and again we're going to do our best. Obviously this is a you know what the NFL and free agency entering a away slower period You know it feels like at least my own personal forecasting is. This could be a bit of slower time as far as news is concerned so we want to make sure we get as many friends and as many voices in here. We can't chop it up on different things so we'll see who Who we can all Rangel up as the week unfolds but for now we've got the one and only Jimmy Jaffna. He joins US next right here on the left left pleased to be joined now by a very special guest one of my best friends one of your best friends. The one and only making what I think is five hundred. Twenty eight appearance on the show. The one and only Jimmy Jaffna James. How goes it going all right? All Things considered how how about you. I'm doing really well. We've talked about this several times every time you're on We've been friends now for twelve years. Is We've got a decade at least under our belt decade and change and But so since you know college and everything I live in San Antonio you live in Houston so our relationship In our friendship has not been impacted. We're fighting strong. We're powering through As far as we are concerned daily interaction. That hasn't really changed. Yeah even in college. I don't think we ever really hung out person. We've always been Like long distance friends. It seems like a social distance myself from you know what I mean like just to. Yeah Your Call. You never know so. This is our Monday episode. It's Monday now. March twenty third. And I feel like this is the second full week of isolation for people or isolate not to put it but Quarantining whatever the case may be and so because last week was the first full week you know is two weeks ago. Like the middle of the week that broke So you're married your father of a young boy young lad You've got a dog Fantastic golden retriever. What is House Cessna? Been like these been kinda chaotic. So I'm still working so that's right and I'm in. I'm in sales. I'm in construction sales for those. That don't know they're going to pretty spends it out for those that don't completely stock your life right sure. Yeah so they're gonNA have to work until the government shutdown everything pretty much so I'm stuck working. My wife was. She's in Med school. She was on spring break. Technically this past week we had a trip scheduled so we cancel that trip to Boston. You're shipping up right where you were going to Boston and I guess bring break is over as of today Monday. Starting ON LINE CLASSES ONLY FOR MED school. So that should be interesting and Even my son's daycare. It's kind of trippy. You know just now. We have to drop him off at the door and we're not allowed out. We're not allowed inside as parents own. Hand him over to like a daycare? You Know Teacher. And they like check temperature for like a fever. And if you've got any kind of fever gonna them back with me. Wow it's kind weird like no hostage negotiation. Going on yeah The other day I mentioned before on the show and obviously you know that I was in a car wreck a few weeks ago and We had to take the rental back that we've gotten everything and When I went to drop it off it was Kinda like balance it was it was it was close as you can get to the the woman literally saying. Just throw me the keys like that. I mean that's the only thing she didn't say that would have made it like completely feel like the walking dead like that's what it it's kind of like what This is kind of the first week that You know you and I. Our favorite sport is football. Obviously and This past week while the Corinthian was going on around the world the NFL still had a lot going on With free agency starting or whatnot. So this is now. We're entering the first week of obviously there will be some deals and some things pop up But this is you know this is it. Now we're going to start to be tested And so you are our resident Houston Texans and You know for the sake of of getting your authentic reaction I'll tell the story. I'll set the stage and say that When when David Johnson that news Koa We were texting. And I. You know I was just like. Oh my Gosh Johnson. You said I hope that we just like our absorbing salary Casper I hope this is all brock Osweiler If if we gave up anything this is a mistake. And and then when I told you it was Deandra Hopkins. This really rarely happens in in. Jimmy's friendship I got radio. Silence like just complete and total radio. Silence the last time you act like that. If you don't remember James Was Wendy. Shaw got hurt in twenty seven so How do you feel now almost a week into hopless for yourself? So it's interesting. You mentioned the Sean getting hurt. His rookie year was electric. And that you know put an end to the season and any hope you had and you know it's a complete deflator you know week six seven and whenever it was the season is over? This is so much worse than that. Injuries happened. Get hurt all the time you know. This is a whole new level of stupidity. And that's putting it nicely and yeah. I thought you know it would be a little bit like Brock osweiler hypoc trade. Where for those? That don't remember. I believe the Texans gave up Brock Osweiler and a second round pick on. The browns sent us a fourth round pink or something like that so it was definitely like a you take him. You take that cap and you know we're going to give you hire pig to do it. Essentially that's where my mind was like sure David's probably on the book for a lot. Whatever ship out of six and you know they'll give us a third. Whatever I'm on board. Good Thinking Bill. O'brien boy was I wrong. And it's not even like it would've been one thing to just trade a highest draft pick for him but giving up a superstar and beyond Hopkins in the prime of his career. The top web for your young quarterback into Shawn Watson it Hap- -solutely no sense. Then you hear stuff coming out over the next couple of days about how you know. He was wanting to hold out for more money than there was a situation like cooper. That's right but like the best receiver in the NFL. It's right Larry is. I mean honestly. Speaking though Amari Cooper at the time of that trade was not CASCA player that the Andre was and he was not as consistent downsizing of the time at the time. That Amara Amara Cooper was not doing. Well Yeah Right. He's still went for. I think about that. Well I think about later that day. Stefan digs the hall that he got. I mean this was a package deal that included a I. I mean it makes no sense and I mean it's essentially it comes down to you. Bill O'Brien Guy. They weren't getting on. And that's the thing we were bill. O'brien sorry to hijack your your episode here and just talk about the Texan so I mean this is probably probably the biggest news in the NFL from this past week right. Hey guys going to get back to our conversation with Jimmy Jaffna in just a moment but before we were going to take a very quick break to hear award from our sponsors plant based is here to stay. We've got plant based milk. We've got plant based meat and now plant based butter is becoming a thing. That's why we're excited about new country. Crock plant butter. It's dairy free and plant based but it tastes like dairy butter not to mention the plant. Butter sticks cook and bake like dairy butter to. It's twenty five percent less saturated fat and the production of plant butter results in less than half the carbon footprint of dairy butter. Use it wherever you'd use dairy butter your top secret chocolate chip cookie. Recipe your morning toast. Any butter delivery system will do. 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App You do not use the puck effort. Let a great question Jesse David Fox. I'd everybody let's do. Let's get back to it here. He is the one and only Jimmy Gel. Seth now on the OCHO. Well I mean. The cowboys signed jar. Window and extension. Jimmy I mean that's yeah so this is probably the biggest NFL. It's I've mentioned this before. You're also a raiders fan. So you have had your heart Playtoy in recent memory Not been a good couple of decades. I saw A friend of the show. Gina Thomas who Works with me at espionage and it has a lot of great work for the Falcon Hall at our Atlanta Falcons site. She was tweeting about this. There's some Guy Asim Falcons Fan. I don't know who it is. But some falcons fan on twitter Kind of set up a man league In the in the Times orange just to kind of obviously. There's not a lot of if any sports to watch to this person. Said of Man League got thirty two people to run all these teams and I think they're streaming the Games and staff and so it's Kinda Fund whatever This on I'm I've noted this before you and I would somebody's we have started to people but we have it people so We had kind of a big I. Everyone kind of been ready to to sorta hit the refresh button and start over and we all just kind of reached a point last February. So let's do it. Let's start over and you had previously been the Houston Texans and you were just so disgusted that when we were starting over you said. I don't want anything to do with them. I don't WANNA be Houston Texans. I WanNa be anybody else. Yeah absolutely part of it. Is that bill o? Rien would be my coach and I just feel sick. It's truly sickening. And you know. I talked about this shot and being hurt that rookie year. And you feel like it's GonNa over well trading De'andre away. It'd feel like the window is over even with the low Brian and bill. O'brien has been someone that's been very like Houston's been very contentious towards him. But you still had bill. O'brien benders you. Still have troopers out there. You guys saying hey you know you're you're up twenty four zero against the eventual super bowl champions in the divisional round of the playoffs. You know there's something here even though you may not like them or may disagree with certain things like we still had success. And that's true but think about the different moves that have just been come we franchise changers and it's been a theme. Oh this player doesn't get along with Bobo Brian. And then he's gone shipped out or even the healthiest crash and just in the last two years. We saw you know obviously things horribly. What today on cloudy. Hey Cowboy. That's right speaking into exact. Things went bad with the Andrei. Then you just ship them off or peanuts and it's getting to the point where you know. De'andre had no leverage for years left on his deal the new. Cba means he can't hold out 'cause they make absolutely no sense for him. There is absolutely no reason. You don't just let the Andre Hopkins sit and get fine until he wants to play again or just wait. And you can't wait until you know your mid season and a contender goes down or their star. Receiver GOES DOWN AND THEY WANNA make a blockbuster trade. I mean there were so many different things wrong with this and how poorly it was handled and I think they'll last few people that were defending bill. O'brien are done now. I'm Ben as to why he's still here. Who did you ultimately choose? Our men. Jimmy ended up with the bills? And they're going back to it like you said there's eight of us in this league. There's eight divisions we each have our own division and I the last take for division so I got stuck with the AFC east so didn't have a whole lot to choose from and we're doing the updated roster so you know. Tom Brady on a patriot and things like that Well we are doing the updated rosters and I drew the first pick actually. And so I have the benefit of having deandre Hopkins on my Arizona Cardinals so shout to me David Johnson. That's true so you always have A. I would say great but always have a take on the cowboys and the cowboys have been busy. Been re-signing people than keeping a lot of their own. We've seen them let some guys go. Randall COBB now Houston Texan. Egg excited And the cowboys have brought in to date as of Sunday night. Three external free agents. Joe McCoy Ha Ha Clinton Dix and don't forget about Maurice Kennedy the twenty eighth ranked cornerback on defense pro football focus last season. Please put some respect on his name. What you know. What grade would you give the cowboys? Give me your Sort of daily sports talk show grade for the cowboys in Free Agency. So far well for right now and this can all change within a matter of a couple days here Obviously there's nowhere to go but up in my opinion right now. Let's say right now there to see in the reason I say that let Byron Jones Walk. It had to be done. I get it you did get the deal done with Amari Cooper long-term but the thing you have got to get figured out and all the other free agent signings are Nice but you have to get the quarterback signed long-term and that's where you know okay. Dak prescott signs his five-year however many billion dollar deal. Now you're talking about a b plus and what are you. What are your thoughts as as a objective viewer? Generally I mean is he a franchise quarterback. Is he worth a franchise quarterback contract? I mean where do you fall there because everybody has an opinion on this? Yeah I've kind of picked up on that. So my personal opinion. I understand the QUARTERBACK MARKET. And how or quarterbacks get paid under that understand. He's been playing as a fourth round. Pick and what that pay is my whole opinion. And we've gone back and forth on this so many times. I UNDERSTAND. What a quarterback does and how they reset the market. And what that means. I just disagree with that philosophically and right now. In my opinion he is not a quarterback that I would feel good about resetting the market with so I would let them play it out. I let him play it. Out on the franchise tag just. I need to see more from him. He just did the numbers well. I know the numbers from last season. They make it feel like okay. Let's let's play this game. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA run through this quickly because we don't need to go through the other thirty one teams by just I simply want to yes or no. Is this quarterback better than Dak? Okay so Just kind of looking at the landscape of the NFL. I think we can agree. Aaron Rodgers yes drew brees. Yes that's too right. Russell Wilson yes. That's three. I will put Tom Brady. That's four Looking at a list of you know are looking at my mini helmets and so I jumped to the Patriots. And it felt weird. Mapping Lie Pat Mahomes S. Five We've got Lamar Jackson. That six I'm thinking of like slam dunk absolutely better than back. The Sean I have a feeling you'll say that seven so that's seven guys so I'm GonNa go through the rest of the NFL quickly and you tell me yes or no is this quarterback better decker Carson Wentz. That's right like there's definitely on maybe box. Kind of like a pusher. So Carson's push there's no other quarterback on the NFC EAST. That comes close. I suppose if you wanted you could ask the question about Kirk. Cousins is he better than prescribe That's a difficult one. I'd say no. Okay so I. I would agree with that Matt Ryan. That's kind of a push. I think that they kind of go in the same box right. Now I'd say push or I go Matt Ryan but okay so there are poised Jimmy Garoppolo. Please say no I know you. Great Name Okay. Jared Goff calum Murray. No maybe someday I I. I've been saying this for a while. Now Jimmy Keiler is watch is going to win. Rookie of the year and our men franchise set for my own personal benefit. But that take is coming okay because PAT mahomes often his second year the marge accents are often his second year and especially with your boy. The engine out that takes going to be there for her. But for now Qatar's that we agree. Yeah truly not not right now Josh Allen. No Way Right Ben Rothlisberger hard to really grade or answer right now exactly. Yeah historically obviously yes but as of right now. We don't know what he is. He's not played a full year. Almost so I'd say that to push okay Tannahill. There are some people who believe that he is significantly better than Dak Prescott. I know he's our boy we were at Texas am when he was a receiver. So we go way back but I know that you don't think he's better than that so I don't think he's Bourbon Dak Prescott but he. He is interesting and that I think the value you get per dollar if you will for. Tannahill may end up being better than the value. You get REDAC- when he got that big contract if it is the one that we all think maybe resets the market interesting Finally Derek Carr you have stand for Derek Carr for a long time and it seems like those days might be coming to an end with what happens with the raiders. Here in the next few months I think Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr. Wow I'm so I'd hold on. I think it's a lot closer than you give. Derek Carr credit for. Yeah I've we've gone back and forth on this a lot we don't have to but I wonder what it's like to be teammates. Jeff Heath now the guy who ruined his life but whatever. It's just the time being anyway. So there's like there's only like six or seven no brainers and so that's why I just and I think that of the no brainers you can make an argument. I think people don't like this argument but I think there's an argument that current day. Dak Prescott is better than current day. Tom Brady you told me that you believe that. Current Day Ryan. Tannehill is better than current. Tom Brady so I have to believe right transit of property that has better as well. Yeah but it was kind of like was Big Ben obviously worse you had to put respect on his name right like. Yeah Dak Prescott. Maybe right now is better than Tom. Brady. But I mean just out. You're having one playoff game right now. Who Do you want as your quarterback? I'll say this like if they know Tom Brady okay. Hey Tom Brady. I'll say this I get your point but over the life of the deal right because we're talking it's going to be a four five year deal the Dak Prescott ultimately signs I think and again we don't know what moves going to turn into. We don't know what JOE BOROUGHS GONNA turn into whatever but given the current landscape of the NFL. I think it's it's a fair sort of assumption that Dak Prescott is a top three to six quarterback over that time period because again this window this window. Obviously you know eliminates Tom Brady obviously definitely eliminates been Roethlisberger eliminates drew. Brees potentially eliminating right there. Well then let's again. Let's let's let's take out Brady. Let's take Aubrey's and then again I think it's fair to maybe take Aaron Rodgers out of this and let's take up leave Aaron Rodgers in like okay fine earlier that mahomes out there. Mark Jackson John Watson Ryan. Obviously a lot can happen. And you know three to five years from now but those are still. I think only only quarterback Murray the only quarterback who there are two quarterbacks and I'm I'm putting her in Rogers in the like the like over the hill club so to speak. But the only two quarterbacks over the life of that deal that I one thousand percent believe will be better than Dak. Prescott are Pat Mahomes and Russell Wilson and probably the Mark Jackson. I'm not please. Don't turn this into Lego Lamar Jackson. I'm just you know. We've we've seen now two seasons of homes the Super Bowl champion. I'm just I'm not down the MAR but you know I wanNA see. More of them are And he's better than NAP. You get my point. Those are the only three that I absolutely believe old definitely be better than that. Chris Kat. Over the life of that deal. I don't even believe that about the Sean especially now that the Sean has lost deandre Hopkins. No offense well. There's a couple of other things to keep in mind and this were a lot of the DAX kind of confusion. I think. Just naturally come from him or is it a product of or is he a product of what he has around him and the defense has been up and down over his career with the cowboys. But they've never been absolutely horrible like they were Tony Romo but that Prescott has never played with a bad all line. Like there's been times when Tyron Smith Been Hurt? Okay but in some other guys. They're doing what is he going to the whole At this point for you here you know never had a battle line. He's always had weapons except perhaps half a season where you didn't have a Mari in that no post as era. And he's always had Zeke with them when you have this kind of contracts for back that resets the market for the next four to five years. You can't have all of the above. Stay there that entire four or five year window. Why not there are under contract to or you just lost Byron Jones. Yeah then again. So what I mean like Byron's awesome but I'm just saying like you did lose someone from that defense. The key person but they they could have kept Byron. It wasn't a matter of Ono. We simply do not have hazards. They could have kept Byron. They just didn't want to for whatever reason. And so are you're standing there there's conversations already about you know when you can offload Zeke's contract and things like that so it's just the situation that payment who does not get any better than what he came into. So that's where I think it's like yes. How does he compare to Lamar Jackson into Shawn Watson? What they've dealt with and think a lot of what will see and I think part of why I would like to see that. Play under the Franchise Tag. It's I was making a decision. What does that look like under Mike McCarthy because we always have the built an excuse of old this is Jason Garrett fault or his calling or whatever well now gone so what can he be what they knew coach who's got a super bowl championship under his belt. I'm more willing to hesitate or to wait and put it off as much as possible to giving back a long term deal I already and I think there are a lot of people that agree with me. I already believe the Dak has met. And I believe that this year ago that has met the qualifications to be paid like a franchise quarterback and I think you and I both agree that there's no real conceivable way that he could be worse under a nine Jason Garrett head coach right so I. I think that you know because I don't think either of US think that Jason Gets Better head coach Mike McCarthy and that's not sure that's not really elevating Mike McCarthy. That's you know that's just kind of calling out the facts and so my point is this. This has no real direction to go except for up. I don't WanNa put it out there. Make It seem like. I don't think that is a franchise quarterback or you should not be paid like a franchise quarterback but you know we gave our quarterback ranking you know with all the people that are pushes and all that we're talking about maybe the twelfth or so best quarterback in the League twelve. I don't think I'm saying if you include all the pushes and stuff like that like you know. He's in that eight to twelve range right. I mean that's a long when we're talking Brady Roger. I still think that that he'll I mean he's a top five quarterback in a manner if he's not if he's already he's he's a top five guy I mean. So that's what you're paying. My whole thing is really setting the market again. Apply even if even if let's be ridiculous even if decor concrete Lee cemented as the eighth best quarterback in the NFL right like. Let's say that was the rule rather he could. He could simply not be better than the other seven better quarterbacks in the NFL are you really Gore to jeopardize have and. I'm not saying this is my mentality. But are you really going to jeopardize having the ace best quarterback in the NFL in the name of finding the fits best one You know what I mean and I know that's kind of the kirk cousins argument but I I just you know to me. That's I don't WanNa say. It's being happier being ungrateful. That just is you know that that becomes the argument of look at Mahomes. Nobody's hobbs. It's incredibly difficult to find one of these guys and you know the cowboys seemed to have one. And so I just you know the the thoughts and I'm not saying this but the thought that people in on that side of the arguments seem to believe that. Oh it's so easy to just go find the next. We'll just tradable this draft tour. You know what I mean like. It just doesn't work that way. Well I don't think it works the other way that you you had mentioned where I'm talking about the cobbler's losing guys because Dacca's around the highest paid quarterback and that like oh we can keep we kept Byron and all that sort of keeps the whole line at everything everything will stay intact and again you nervous about paying to Sean now. The team couldn't keep Hopkins because they apparently let him go because of contractual demands. No I think they let the Entree Hopkins go cassville Brian Moron actively cheering for the Texans failed horribly so they can just fire bill. O'brien because I don't know what else is. GonNa take at this point and I mean Hell you could be talking about like are you just said you talked about you know. Do you want to get rid of the eight best quarterback and search for the fifth that give it a year RJ. You could have this Shawn Watson for nothing Tony Pollard. O'brien onboard Sean. There you go. That's a really good point Brady and brees hired to SEAN NUMBER FIVE. You can have it. That's a great point. Well Jimmy was as always a spirited discussion What do you recommend watching on Netflix Amazon? Prime or whatever These days because there's a lot of that going on Came out we watch. We spent the weekend. We watched three movies. Little Women We watched nineteen seventeen and Ford versus. Right so what do you recommend well as far as on Netflix or what's currently on TV. Right now I watched all five of the available episodes from this season. Better Call Saul on Friday unless like five hours of better call Saul. I love it. Amazing show by the makers of breaking bad excellent. Thank you needed. It was from the creators of breaking bad. Thank you for that clarification case. Why not just saying is going on right now. It's been great. I know some people. Some people love people hate it with the walking dead. I'm personally enjoying it. And if for some reason you wanted to scratch that rest or that sports each Wrestlemainia will be Early April I believe and they can sign up for the W. W. Network or thirty day three trial and and whenever the car whenever the cardinals and bills play in our madly. You can watch that because we'll stream it stream it. I will also throw this out. I don't know if you knew this about me but early on in college before I knew I wanted to do this for them. I wanted to be an imagine ear it Disney world. That was what I wanted to do. And what an imagine near at Disneyworld. It's like that's like their name for engineers that like innovate and create things. It's an imagine near It's at Disneyworld lower anyway. It's an apple genius anyway. There's an incredible. I Guess Documentary Series on Disney plus. That's about that and I finally got a chance to start it and it's so good So but again I'm a little bit more fascinated by that than most people. But you know you're looking for stuff You know it is what it is all right. I'll Jimmy thank you so much for joining us. Have a go on. And what's the next time? Big thanks to Jimmy for taking the time to join us He's on twitter at the Jimmy Jal. He's got some jove's he thinks he's funny he didn't find any really he's he's a clever guy you know nothing special but Yeah so we'll see when the cardinals and bills show up for Super Bowl. Fifty four right. Yeah 'cause we were planning to twenty thousand nine seasons we're getting started but We'll see how all that goes and yeah the DAK argument is a it can be if you're in the right mood. The DAK argument is a fun one to have a different people and I was in the right mood and I thought know if your team hopefully I did you proud. If you're a team not back well hopefully hopefully I brought you around. We'll see but but yeah so again as mentioned going to do our very best. I think it's going to be a fun week with guests going to try very hard and got some things out there and I think you'll enjoy But that about does it for Monday's episode. So you gotTa do me a favor. You GotTa speaking of Monday. Have the absolute best Monday of all time. You have to have the best Monday ever. You know why because you deserve it we will see you magnon. My friends is always go cowboys. An peace out. 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I know it's been awhile since we put out regular new episodes so we wanted to give you something to tidy over while we worked super hard on and bring the show back in a couple of months this week we have. I guess what you'd call a dope beat with NBC's the good place wrapping up his run as the most interesting formerly vented Sitcom on Network TV. We have a panel from Lambert Volterra festival with Darcy Cardinal Manages Sinto the actors that played Janet and Jason on the show. Good one tends to focus on writing and if you haven't even listen yet I do recommend you going back to the episode. We had with the writers from the good place. But in this case it's nice to hear from the performers about all that goes into bringing words to life. I should note like the writers battle. This live. Conversation was moderated by Mark Jackson dactyl. Plays the Demon Sean on the good player and is the usual host of the good place. podcast he does a bang-up job. I did book the event so it's not like I did nothing I also watched it but ultimately that is all I did so take it away. Mark Walking DOC everybody To the third annual Volterra Festival. I'm Mark Jackson. I play Sean. Welcome welcome to the good places hottest boyfriend and girl girlfriend panel. Please help me welcome Darcy Carton and many shook hands like you're about to do a high school debate. It hotter hottest boyfriend. I feel as though this show is very progressive right to use. The word hottest is is that the show does this show talks about outward appearance and it's flattering and it's also mildly problematic. The show really does scape that line a little bit right. Yeah Yeah I remember. I don't know what the first scene was Were big gave Jason a very nice compliment and it was matt. One of our producers. Assistance was like hey many much did you. Pay The the raiders to kind of put that little that little sprinkle that little comment and I was like. It's just going to be one time. It's all good but no they kept coming were you. Can I think that's the issue right. It's cute it's cute so I asked the writers I think a few of the writers and said Hey. We're going to do this panel either. We're GONNA do this panel and I said are you know. Are there any insights into Jason Janet. I I should think about or know about some of their input was helpful. Others was not Make an AMRAAM wrote mostly. I think we always wanted to make sure that they were really well. Rounded rounded relationship that it wasn't a female presenting character. Not a girl dating someone who didn't offer her anything he He always offers Janet a ton in terms of emotional intelligence empathy. That's very sweep jen. Stansky was not helpful. She wrote d'arcy's husband in real life is named Jason. That's interesting true but like what. Ah I love the door of the good place so much Dan Scofield the writer wrote. Sorry this isn't a more detailed response. And then sent me a foil full-page single-spaced answer which included the words. Jason and Janet wasn't a pairing that we entered into season one intending to pursue. It was something that we discovered as we broke the story of Janet's murder and reboot which is sort of fascinating that they this wasn't something that was broken until episodes in that is interesting. What going back to Megan Amorim's comment? That is something I remember. Mike sure and the writers bringing me in early ish in season one and having that conversation conversation like we don't want this to be like this smart the smartest being in the world right. Let's say like your typical smart Gal a a like dating down or like what is that. Like down what do you say. How do you say this what? I'm trying to say Jamie down going down thanks for coming. Everybody What what is it? What is it slumming? Thank you oh stunning yet. And we see that on TV so much like the very capable. Well rounded brilliant. Perhaps women dating like I don't WanNa let's say any names but you all know who I'm thinking to you. What cheers no? I don't know I I I don't need to say names but I just put it out there and I it just is. It's like something we see a lot like woman dating down slumming whatever ever that is whatever and they just wanted to make sure that that's not what this is. Yeah I mean I think they just wanted do something different in your Korea and the fact that this should not happen like yeah right can put it centenary very special. And they're able. I mean that just goes to show how incredibly talented onto the raiders. Make this herring believable you know and that was my fear when it was first introduced to us. Is that you guys. I would like no did the opposite of Nah you like which was so great for us. It made it so much easier to like it was it was freedom sort of did you watch the good place. Are you caught caught your current great. I am Yes. Dj Music Head. Yeah Yeah it's pretty Nice I asked you about your current if you're not you're going to learn some stuff today. That will disappoint you. Mike sure. Text me the answer. He said we had had a line that was cut from this latest episode. The one where Michael is in the magnet jail with bad Janet and they are talking the whole time he said. It's our writer's room backstory for understanding Jennifer. Jason Bad geneticists. How was dating him? She's the smartest being in the universe. He thinks snow is dead clouds. That's a good line. My Oh man whenever we cut that out there I mean the whole the stuff you. Haven't you haven't cycle response. Compared to Janet's all human beings are essentially the same amount of intelligence to Janet. There's no difference between Jason Than Stephen Hawking. Yes and Mike went on to say we always like that as a way to explain how the two of them make sense. And and how they relate that to Janet all human beings are essentially ding-dong so this relationship is really purely about emotional. God I love my shirt. That's it that's exactly what it is. There's she's not she's not slumming I mean she's like it's there some things they're like their souls but I don't think she has whatever she has at something connected by now. I know a a lot of boobs. What re BOOBS boobs? He's going your ABS. Yeah it's she is getting closer closer to heaven the soul. Yeah I mean I. I always talk about this whenever I get the question. How does Janet and Jason Work and My responses always and I've thought about this a lot like Jason I mean slowly is becoming a little bit more aware and intelligent a little bit like threes involving a little bit and Jason Janet is able to become more emotionally intelligent. She's feeling these things whether it be good or bad through through Jason. Because that's what Jason News. He's all of these different emotions that I can't that he can't tame and Jen's learning and it's evolving. It's the thing that Sh- of everything that she knows which is everything. It's the one thing that she didn't know how to do was field. And now he's like with him She's learning how to feel the the the beginning of the connection. Right is after Janet is murdered zero. Yes yeah and your two characters actors I think just say hello over and over which which wasn't in the script it was it was just I was just fooling around. Yeah I was just around and Darcy being the amazing improviser that she is repeated the words yes as well so it was like `Unos high was high so then when Darcy was rebooted she pops up in the corner or something. Yeah no and I say maybe Janet's Yes ah I know my AP Janice you remember this. This Kristen. Eleanor is shit. I just revealed that Christian please. Eleanor delete teams down. Yes I this is season one. Janet has just been rebooted and Cheetahs stomach aching about the fact that we ruin Janet and eleanor is like really China. Make it work. And she says she's fine she knows her. Ab What does she say day. She says you can recite the audit. Janet says a chanted and Eleanor. Kristen says see she knows her. AP Janet's you remember the episode so it was very sweet to watch youtube. Basically being a couple of two year olds ending up in a group like Ah Yes yeah really just starting from there yeah. It felt very natural which makes sense right because his genita- just been rebooted so she's she's a baby and he's as smart as he's ever been and so they they're it makes sense that that's when they would connect and he's in a very rough spot where he's so allied. Yeah nobody really he tries to and I just see this mild connection with Janet and say hey do you. Do you remember in another episode. When when I sit down I believe for the first time ever next to us? Jason and I say it like people are asking me questions and I don't know the answer and he says something about like a a fire in a gas station kicking wings random. Yeah Jason Mendoza moment in his life right. Yeah and that's kind of how we connected like helping her and she's I don't know I don't know if this is true or not but the Times that you've sat down on this show was it. Has It always been with me if well I mean it would probably pretty easy to figure out because it's only a couple times in both have been with me. I feel very hundred. Yeah yes indeed. Let's let's keep the first clip. Let's watch let's watch early. John we're gonNA look Rudy Checking I this is great at different moments during our time here. We both Wolf thought that tragic Mike over here was one true love and now he is marrying whatever. Janet is a bit strange. I like to read a poem. Janet my digital Queen Janney. We can dare to dream Said Nude pictures of your heart to me. The Jaguars Jason when I was rebooted and I lost all my knowledge I was confused disoriented but you were always kind to me. And according to the central theme of two hundred and thirty one thousand six hundred songs movies poems and novels that I researched for these thousand last three seconds. That's this was all about. Does anybody object to this marriage. Urban Jason. To me to be your wife. I want you to be my husband by the power vested in me by me. I now pronounce US husband and wife we can I kiss you or will. I be electrocuted. Only one way to find out. Oh I'm just going with it now. Aw It's a it's a different different. Janet Janet reboots has become far more humid. It's fun to watch and see not that. It was mechanical comical. But it's a different character. A little mechanical like a little yeah. She's just grown so much which is like I just I with with every like involvement which is a word I just made up but you understand. I have been stressed out about it. I keep getting stressed out and getting to human that Jenner. Getting to human. But this is like a good i. Just trust the raiders so much and this is a good example like I I remember hearing that we were are GonNa get married and I was like. I don't know y'all cuckoo and then I then when we didn't and we've read it and I saw it. It was like yes that totally makes sense. So there's a couple things in and season one where I wor- worked so well and it wasn't sure if it was going to that I was like I will go wherever you take me so so I'm good with that bless you. It's this show is so stupid and I love it so much but like it's fun to relaunch these things and did you do your own voiceover of ladies and gentlemen. Let's get ready to marry. That's the the show is so oh dense and full of the dumbest nece which is a word that existed before i. It's fun to watch Jimmy Lin Kristen and be like bringing it. This is the crazy that is nuts episode. It's deep what happens next. Like maybe not next this but there was a time when Jason said something along the lines of like look. This happened and this happened. We did which I'm sure is pretty much close to having been sex right right like sex happens and then there's a diagram of like attempts at sex at some point. Yeah framed. I know honestly Josh Siegal told me yesterday that someone made a tote bag out of there are some says a- are you asking us about sex hypothetically that they went to decent clair's I think right again and and got it on literally. What are you asking? Are you asking us to demonstrate great. Were Eye. Let's talk about baby. It's in the evolution of the relationship. stood out in my memory of like I remember Jason Distinctly saying like. This is their first time. It's been like hundreds of Burmese. They're good they're pretty good at no. Let's roll these. The Second Clinton sure what I would do if one more again same thing happened. Hi Jason I love you old word word. I've been avoiding telling you excuse was that I needed time to evaluate my complex feelings but that was just a rationalization. This might be the last time I ever get to talk to you. So there it is I love you and I hereby stop avoiding this topic and rationalizing it by saying the situation is complicated complicated or the. My brain is grinding like a fork in a garbage disposal. All right whatever. You're not really a part of this cheating. I think I love you girl. I'm not a girl Janet anymore. I don't know what I am and played a little longer. Could Watch watch no diggity negative. Don't say that is what happens immediately after that. He gets the gumption and he scoops her up in in that case. Actually you've just reminded there see. I remember you saying I think on the podcast or maybe another panelist. Just that when kissing manny like remember. That's what I say to myself. Every time your mandate nights I go remember this. I didn't know that. Put it in the old in the Dab Dab apparently knowing it now does that change is a chain thing for. You probably should've saver did more. I guess I feel like a jerk in. We're all good we're talking. I'm so much older than so those sex positions there was a time in the story when Jason Janet are not together. Yeah Jason's Tahani together. Yeah yeah painful. Personal level characterized them as something that That through Janet into it was debasing it. It afforded us a lovely gift in the form of Derek. Talk about doing a little bit. So Jason Soukous is suggest is like a insane genius. One of our our favorite people to come in. That was we sort of heard about Derek before Jason was even cast and I I don't know that I even I couldn't even picture what it was until he was on set and then it solidifies. I think very quickly couldn't be anything else but that and and he just I mean we have had so much fun with Jason. He's just so unpredictable and you don't know what he's GonNa do and he's just perfect for that role. I can't imagine anybody else being there. Yeah he loves playing Derek. Another another nice thing is. We've we've all known him for him on set but he loved the show before he was on it which which is always exciting like he knew it so well and it was fun that he got to keep coming back until until now he said that we improvise that line. So now it's going to sound like me do improvise a lot. We don't impress a lot. We really really don't stick to words exactly on the page but when this is there so we rip the script up and throw it in the garbage. I mean you stick to it but it's fruitless. It's a fool's errand it's funny because the directors and Mike sure they all know that and they're like yeah just GonNa do told me once that I think it was the first. I may be the first aid. Man's hookah shot with you guys. It was in Michael's Office Manchukuo up jumpsuit. Help can't stop saying Jason Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael and I think it may have been Dean Holland constructing that episode and Dean said to after they did a take Jason. He's like do whatever you want. What yeah he had not gotten that Direction des God and I wish we could release like a ten minute ed or one hour? Long cut adjustments UCA's like even back day. Even that one day is I know. They're like he's got got a fern and the corner right. Also what is his name is Derrick. Oh Oh Derrick. Oh my God does he ever say this. Do you guys know this favorite one was Michael. Who are you and goes Derek? Be Eric hostetler. Do you know that that was my favorite Derek via Eric hostetler and it was like Derek. The Eagle Cacao different one that lived was Derek hostetler Stettler Derek. Eric really opening some. That's why don't we roll the clip in join join together. The Inter dimensional. Okay is this a good time to talk. There's no time like the present and here. There's neither there no time nor the present. Go ahead you how you used to be married when I was dead before i. I think I'm starting to catch feelings again for you. And if I don't double die and Judge Lady doesn't turn you into a warble. Who Do you want to be boyfriend girlfriend? I'm not a girl but yes I very much like to go on a date with you somewhere sometime as opposed close to here which is nowhere at all times how the she says do you get it. And he says yes which is alive like getting a script that says that I cannot explain. What a gift that is? You know what I mean like that. The writers on this show are so good and dumb yes. It's not. What a scene that makes any sense? And I don't know getting that in your inbox is like you just want to thank the we. Think Maya Rudolph the Lord. I mean it is crazy to think that What does really well is were the very high stakes expanding This was you could fall through the holes Chidi goes flying around the office. It's dangerous nowhere we're everywhere there's a time nice and it's and yet you guys are playing a really touching relationships like right in the middle of the show. Does that really really well. I think it skirts those things and we really like love doing things like that too. It doesn't we. Don't get a ton of them and so when we we do we really. I mean it's like when when manny and I get to do just like little two person scenes way another secret. There's a bunch that you guys have never seen and we'll never see isn't isn't that sad. I would you do that. Why would I tell you I just? I don't know what things like that we shot that. Then Ah you know twenty one twenty two minutes you'll quick and it's some things have to go and sometimes are things had to go and and we're not in frozen. That's what I know. Yeah so anyway but I mean so but the funny thing is that we still keep those things in our back story if that having sense even if you haven't seen them they're still a part of our story so we We really connected with these characters in this love story and we we talked a lot and we were always very happy when we got to further action chip. I mean honestly. My favorite is the one that we gap guys. Were right right here remember. Aw this episode is brought to you by Ziprecruiter. Where in a brand new year and it's the perfect time to think about growing your business but hiring hiring talented new people to expand your team can be frustrating and time consuming? If you're not using ZIPRECRUITER ziprecruiter makes finding the right person for your company company. 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Okay keep talking all right and and then right now it's on TV and you guys are watching it so it's still feels very like like we're all in it together and I think I think it'll be pretty rough. I think the finale the finale airs. I think we'll probably feel it pretty intensely. Yeah I think so I mean gene again. It's me at different times like I remember going being at the light after the fact and going across my office. And you know these little spots uh-huh that that kind of is really strong men relate when we first saw when we all I. I'm sure I'm going to get hit like when April comes around do one Russo. Yeah what you can struck me as like a big. I don't know what this was but we. We took our names Jason Janet off of our trailers at the same time and it was like very sad elders. Sheri's out it was like a painful physic- physical ization of of like yeah. I have by the way. That's dammit Janet all right. Let's roll the final. Welcome Janet. We have a special guest for you today. Janet Miss Me Jason Your Boyfriend. I really miss you. I know we were in a bite before but I hope you've forgiven me because I love you girl girl the secret password. I mean that's that's what the speech that you you give. Many of Michael said he doesn't have a thing he can say that would make us realize that he is him. Agenda does have a thing that she does that she can say that makes me realize that that she is really not her man. I host a show about this podcast. It's available places. It was fun to. There's there are things that have happened already in season. Four Let's reminds us that there was a time that Janet was not Janet Janet with bad Janet pretending to be and I mean it had to be interesting on a on actually level to be playing these things because there are things that seem like Janet's leading Jason. I'm things that Blake Bortles. Rose was cut by the Jacksonville Jaguars. That's bad Janet torturing Jason. I don't know I mean this is going to sound like a little hippy. dippy or actor ish but are those like few weeks or months or so filming. Those episodes where I was where I was bad. Janet pretending speak agenda was the I was not happy I was thinking of my brain was wrong. It's hard yeah I was I was like I cannot wait until the episode where turned Tena. Why can see that because I would guess that inasmuch as you're saying like you trust the writers and you want them to say you're going to get married? I don't know if this is right. You WanNa stay true to this character and not have it. You don't want to make sure you're doing the work and being Janet and not just going like I guess I'm telling now right there is a little like the. I had a little taste of what tab must have felt in all of these right. We're Ted is playing the long game. It's not like he has to trust the writers and the audience that we're going to stick with him and his choices and his acting all of it in this character and then the big reveal happens. I mean my I I like when those first however many episodes came out this year where I'm playing bad. Janet plane good unit I wanted. I wanted to like fast. Ask for time. I was just like the audience that we love in the form. This bond with yes. We're lying to you guys. It feels terrible. Yeah I can't imagine doing it on camera like for the show proper. Some Darcy was with us for an episode of the podcast few ago in season four and and right before it was with Andrew Law and it was right before we recorded the thing it was like. Oh hang on wait. How much can we actually say about what happens on the train? The end like got a lot at all. It's yeah I remember reading that in the script and Janet says to Jason that was cut like man and it's being a real man I know I know. Yeah also I do want to say that first episode that we shot where where Jennifer Jason. Jason Breakup we shot as episode. They cut it into two episodes. Correct sort of an hour long and tones down and I remember when we were having our breakup scene you got the direction from Drew Goddard. We did a little bit light. We did the break-up or I think we'll move rehearsing it. We did it a little bit lightly in a funny way Andrew was like actually this is like let's take it really real and show me the pain or whatever her and manny just produce cheers without even thinking about it no preparation we just did it. Tears fully I was like this man is and actor. I was so impressed. Remember this that actually reminds me of a story. That Josh Siegal told me yesterday do you want me to. which was when you and manny kissed? I think for the First Time Lynn Shelton the director had to say to you over and over Darcy janitor be janitor during the so much all right. I don't know about that like maybe I remember it was in your butthole butthole and I forgot. I was thinking that that wedding was our first kiss but it was. Yeah I remember. It was like we were like. Oh yeah because that in the bud whole win signed by Michael. Yeah when I suggested that we get married. Yeah right the bud who kisses. Yeah yeah and I remember purpose. Yeah it was fun kissing in the bed hole. We're going to go to your questions. There are people with microphones We'll we'll go. We'll answer some of your questions Then we'll reveal how so season four of the place comes to close Please remember that Questions starts start with W and H is. We know already we understand that. NBC's good place has delivered you from dark times. It's done the same for us so please keep your questions brief. Don't ask questions like can I touch many instances face you'll bleed out it's too Sharp when I had to do it at Demon con I was wearing the chain mail gloves chucker and need Nago painted so. Please keep your questions. Brief who has the first question anyone please. Hi Okay. Okay face on purpose my questions for Darcy. It's yes or no. Aw so so I wrote you an episode of the good place go on and I was wondering if I could give it to you or someone who is allowed to hand things. I mean I'm Sh- I yeah nearly legally to which you know. The show's over you can put it through the the metal detector. There is a legal like you. Legally can't accept scripts because Ben with the shows. What are they gonNA do? Fire us your baseball clear now. Yes Okay Yeah Oh should I just go to. I put it in the microwave. So if you're if if there's a tile stuck to. She's going to find out this is happening right now okay. Thank you dramatic the greeting one. Okay we're going to do this later. Thank you next question high. What have you written? Don't worry nothing so in an episode of the podcast. I believe it said that. The writers agree that Jason doesn't know what a farm they are. There anything else in your heads. Something that Jason doesn't know something weird or random. God Love I think the whole time. I think he's still thinks this. At least in the first season he just the way I approached. Jason Listen and the character was like okay. He just thinks that he's in Lake Game an escape room and the objective of this game is to somehow like a win by I. I don't know he doesn't even know how to win a the game so like he doesn't actually know everything that's going on but he's just having fun and that's kind of Lake that he doesn't even know that he's in the good place. You know the basic premise of at this point thinks it's gotten bonkers and you go. I'm the last person to say this but I think we got a call the cops. Yeah the game has gone to walk. The problem is that when she slaps a lollipop back. Thank you next question. Yes I got Sean. Oh here we go. Sean have a back story I mean is this one versus Satan. Sean Middle Management is either. And what is Sean. Make yourselves comfortable. Ask Sean feel like middle-management. Yeah really I mean anything that I say they will not be cannon It's all Shawna's Daud stick with me. The Sean I is there are other hierarchies. Within like there are other Shawn's I think he has peers. I'm guessing none of this is Canon but I think that it was fun to my my in laws did not watch the show when it first came out it took other people vouching for it and my my father in law said to me at one point like I'm starting to hear about this. What is this? Who who do you play and I said well I didn't WanNA spoil it so I said well my characters introduced the all knowing judge in the afterlife My opinion is an objective fact in all cases past present future and he goes God and anyone. That's I like that you're not capable. She rules the best and they've since really watched the show and enjoy it. Yeah next question please I. I was curious because I feel like eleanor and Chidi have really learned a lot from both both of your relationship of like how to take risks and really love what they're full hearts. What do you think they or even the rest of the characters have learned about your relationships and what have you learned what about eleanor? CD's relationship interesting. I do think there. There's like a like a freedom in the sense with this relationship that I think is like the king of overthinking everything. So we've blown him. We've we've seen him even in that clip we've seen him watch us and then sort of being fired to take a risk. I think I'm that's that's a tough one would has jason and Janet learned from the war and cheeky relationship. I mean maybe Janet. Let's not I know I mean it's a big ass. I'm trying to think action trying to think if they have learned I'm sure they have. But they're so in their own little world. This relationship is very the two of them. Yeah Yeah I mean. I'm sure that Janet has like taken in information. That's what she does. You're being a little bit cautious with your right to do that. Some of what you're asking asking is addressed in the upcoming episode As as soon as Thursday. You know it's really hard really hard. It's really hard to talk. Show when you guys haven't seen things because things happen the title of the episode that airs Thursday is already out there and I'm not going to say because it I don't like it's so scary to work on this show in this podcast I'm in episode ahead and and I'm frightened to death. Thank Ted Danson this whole thing. I mean it's like our hearts pound out but it is fascinating. Your point is when I think to say that like this rudimentary El- elementary relationship has been the model to to show ostensibly more of characters. How to Ah yeah kind of interesting? Yeah I mean I mean. These relationships are definitely informed my personal relationships especially like with Janet and Jason. You know to just stop over thinking things just gopher certain us your real love going for instance. Did you get engaged recently. Yeah I do the next question I wanNA know about this kind of going with it because I was Twang went up the question in for a for a little bit for Hong and then I looked at you know the Janet and Jason Relationship and there was a a sentence that I don't think we've gone through this episode yet but there's a sentence that Jason says to to to to Chidi about relationships and I was like an inch it hit me hard and I was like. Wow this is this is a sign. This is something I need to do and then think weekly talk the question. The unusual half hour American network television. That's really lovely briefly. Will you explain how you do. It was way too long okay So me and my nephew. We've known each other for a long time we met as dancers uh-huh and we've known each other for a while and what I ended up doing was they took her to places that really meant a lot to us so like where I first met underwear. I saw her where we had our first stay where he had her first dance class. I would take these different places. She thought it was like a birthday. My regret yeah so then initiative. This is a cool thing birthday. Yeah she had no idea. And then I had these lakes these canvas things written down with a message saying why these these places were important to us And then at every location I would ever closer is. I'd hold the canvas. She opened rise and she'd read the note and then I thought she'd be like. Oh my gosh. It's so it's so sweet so amazing but she was like. Oh that's cool. I think it was because she thought I was going to pop the question at that point but she was a little disappointed that that wasn't the question so I took her through five different places. The last place I had our families waiting waiting and when I had the canvas she read it. Yes you she closer is. She read the canvas and then after she'd rather candidate she turned around and saw our family and we standing there and the words. Will you marry me. I the only person that rivals Manny's beauty in the world is Dan. They're the most beautiful couple you've ever seen in your life right. Yeah Yeah. Thank you next question this Mike questions actually for Manny I see so you are one of the few Filipino. TV male leads all really great for Asian American representations. So my question for you is how do you think diversity is moving in Hollywood. The big question Thank you for that question It's it's moving. It's slowly but surely moving. I always say that I have so many so much props in respect to the guys before you had to Kinda endure a different Hollywood system but this goes. I'm sure a lot of you kind of artists and maybe writers and actors like this is a great time to be creative and to tell your story so tell your story because it helps helps people see face different cultures and I'm the small part of everything that's going on right now so Yeah IT'S A. It's a blessing to be a part of this show. That kind of has all these different faces. It's If I really think about it it's a lot of responsibility but It's not just me. That has attention sponsor ability to kind of all of us. So I encourage you all to kind of push your stories. Tell your own story because this is a great time to tell it the thank you. We have time for a couple more questions. If you could relive one day on the good place and that was like your good place for eternity what would that be. Okay I okay I have I I'm going to. I'm going to answer quickly but I I actually okay ah one is. I know when we kiss every single time the night that we do remember remember there was like a dance party okay. The night that we had the dance party was really a dance party for us and it was so fun and it was like in warm and a Friday night and we hardly ever do. So it's kind of exciting and there was a twinkly lights and was blasting and we just had a great time. That was perfect night. There was another another night where we did pictionary recently in the force monster that it was so fun. We Love Love Love Brandon and Kirby and Ben who played our our other humans this season and then the other one is the finale which I won't say anything but yes magin beating that a top three. I can whenever we're all really together. Those are always the best moments as our characters and as as as human beings you what do you think I mean the ones that come undermined our upcoming which is which is problematic when I got to take all oh yeah that was awesome. Well you'll see I don't know if you were okay back. It'll be worth it when you see but I would say the finale would like to not have been more special. What don't talk about it? I know you've already revealed to finale for the rest of eternity. Meet back here in three months. Yeah we'll talk about all. I mean it's now todd it's hard I would say that the one thing that is sir talk talk about is just getting to know all of you become friends with all of. Yeah yeah it said of every show and it's often bullshit but this show. It's real like this shows a family. I care about these people. I love these people. It's given on some other. Mike sure shows that was this way on parks and REC. It's that way in Brooklyn nine nine but I never on two guys a girl and it's like it's not always time with each other outside of work we we put our phones down when we're at work and hang out with each other. We love each other. I was recently working for six in Vancouver and Manny and Diane Give me a lot a lot of good restaurants which was great Vancouver. It's great but Ted Danson is up there because Mary Steenburgen is working on a television shows. Ted is up there with nothing to do Before he starts his next project January and we would walk his dog and go to lunch. Like I feel like Simone. I'm in a coma number like what is my life. I mean that is what it is. I mean any like we. We love each other. We want our good place to be with each other but the real answer is we just want to hang out with Ted. It's one of the best question question or two more before we reveal. The place comes to a close. Hi this is a question for all three of you. What real life similarities do you share with your characters for example manny? Do you actually love Jalapeno poppers. I what is what is uh-huh actually fun fact. The first time I tried Albanian Papa was on what yeah. I don't think I've ever watched the big thing. But I mean you know the dancing aspects of Jason is very is very like I remember when when Mike when we had our first meeting he asked me what my interests were and and I told them. I'm a big you know. I love to dance and incorporated that in. And that's the best thing about my key. Yeah wants to showcase his his actors and his you know his little family. This is possible. Yeah that was. Yeah that was really. I think for me with I am Kennewick people pleaser Janet. She's I'm like I'm Nice Thana and I'm naughty bitch. You are the story when I met you. I came into the hair and makeup trailer my first day knowing not knowing enough being overtly confused about what is about to transpire and you were like. Oh Wow you're you're playing Sean. You're going to have quest. You were Jenny either. You're going to have questions you need answers. I mean I is who I am I am. I don't know I don't know what that is. I don't know what you'd call that annoying. No Okay and then and then you know sometimes I can be like a dark little bad Janna does not. I'm somewhere in between I suppose one last question is high. So this question for Darcy in the episode where everyone goes into your void and you have to portray everybody the else's character who was easiest and most difficult to portray him The I loved playing Jason so so much like I could have played Jason Word season for just switched outfits I loved I loved the hard part. was that it was like really. It wasn't like I would live in Jason for the date would be like a half hour and then go tiny Illinois so I didn't get to like settle into it but ah Damn I love playing Jason. It was so so fun and he many had defined this character so well and so clearly you bet it was easy to play around in also manny like very graciously and this. This was wonderful before we shot shot. That he he took me aside and was like I have a thing that I watched that. I've never shown anyone or told anyone that helps me get so help me create Jason. And if you want I'll show it to you and he showed it to me and it really helps. Let's roll that clip. And so that was like that was an extremely wonderful kind unnecessary move and I appreciate it so much. What exactly exactly? What was the Clinton I know but like is it? Is it on Youtube. It is on Youtube. Get Baby you've dodge this for four years now is Jason Mendoza based on a singular person. I mean I don't know. Can we play that do you. I want to maybe we could. I don't know what the you know. This is not like. You're making the stage. Manager's post I know I mean truly is it one person it's no. It's not one person but the video that I showed Darcy see it is one person and an aspect in invite us back next year. And we'll show meet here in months. Yeah we'll have a prepared. Yeah yeah that's so funny. Oh my God. I don't know how to do this. Dan Scofield one of the writers who I pinged for for insight into this into this panel summed up. Well I think he also rode as everyone even ten generally connected to the approach in knows. You can't say enough about how truly wonderful both manny and Darcy are while lots of audience members love. Jason probably don't truly appreciate the skill and energy that many brains playing dumb so perfectly is not easy and so many of the most hilarious things he said and done never even made it to the show. Nobody can destroy a table. Read like manneken foresees in. We were still discovering strange new angles on Jason. The episode Janet's really gave Darcy a chance to kill it which was super gratifying as a writer knowing that we could write something with a crazy high degree of difficulty and that she would not just nail it but surpassed expectations. It's volt your best. Please join me in thanking many since the and that's it for another good one the series finale of the good place airs on NBC. On January thirtieth. Good ones produced by Sean with production systems from Jilani. Carter Justin degraded right. Did our theme song writer Viewing Rate Apple podcasts. Five stars please. Emily comes questions. You're laughing around suggestions Goodwin PODCASTS AT GMO DOT com. I'm today foxing. Follow me at Jesse David Fox. We're back next month with all new episodes. Have a good one.

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OITNB Episode 41: Q&A 2

Cincy Jungle

54:47 min | 6 months ago

OITNB Episode 41: Q&A 2

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm use ecology made Sloan or the host of switched on Papa podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown. The most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. Billy eyelashes music with her brother and collaborator phileas dissecting chance the rapper with Super Producer. Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly. Parton to Travis. Scott if you love music you're going to discover something ear opening in switched on pop so join US search for switched on pop in your favorite podcast APP and listen to an episode about your favorite artists and subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you're listening to get new music explainers every week and after listening you might want to check out. Our new book switched on Pop. How POPULAR MUSIC. Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks welcome to the owners is the new black alive QNA session. I am your host as Boogie Jar by my co-host who as I'm saying what's up. Hey we appreciate you guys for joining us tonight last week when he's artists enough where we kind of took listener questions Wanted to do that again tonight. Followed up with a also kicking things off. It looks like the first question comes from Victor Cinco. Do the Patriots get punished for recording? The bengals on the sideline or do they get punished. I don't think they've been punished yet. It define of Let's come back to that. They got they got. They got the fine. Okay okay. Let's see looking for some more questions to it will be the savior for one team. The lions a barrel out. Not I'll go to Basil's we've got to crazy to me right like no we don't want to spend too much time addressing these crazy media narratives but west crazy to me is like. Joe Borough does. Reject going to the Bengals is he. Supposedly one hundred rescuers is he's supposed to go to the lions. Are those supposed be like great organizations because to me. They're not so. I hear the national media making all this noise but like what's alternative. Where is he forcing the? Eli By the second that there are teams aren't really great organizations and so on organization has gone. Osha stain being was never done that. And I can't remember the last time the Lions were in the play offs not to mention them. Having two of their best players retire on them in their Prime Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders so to me is just kinda crazy so as you were saying that I just looked at up I was wrong. They they did get fined. Two Thousand Seven for seven hundred fifty thousand for the spy gate thing. It says in January that they Announced that they would be disciplined for but it does not list. What would the discipline was? Though you guys don't know they got caught filming Bengals On December eight right right. It's got a question for you right here. Why does everyone hate on the bengals? But not anyone else. It seems like that's what Pixel productions whilst ass. I feel like a lot of people who hate on other tunes will it? But it's just right now. I think it's the Bengals Fan. Were not used to us being in the center of the big media. Pal that is thrown people's way like the media is so crazy if you guys Washington's right do you know how many positive quotes that have come out of the borough family? How many positive settle? Come from Joe Borough himself by saying like Oh. I will love the idea of Planning Ohio like you know. He's had a lot of different things. Family said even a father animosity. We don't know where this is coming from. Joe would love to play for them. Guys like they're just happy defendant. I'm one but Joe Borough slipped up one time this past week. If you guys WANNA watch any said. I have leverage in in one of his sentences right. But he wasn't saying I have leverage against the bengals. He meant he had leveraged in the sense of. I'm I'm potentially the number one pick in. Maybe he didn't clarify those comments but the way to die. Took him when you when you watch him saying is that he's saying that in that sense. I have I get to dictate some things that I would like once I'm selected but it depends on how you break down the sentence you you really have to watch it if you guys haven't seen it Job was accepted in the debut wearing award this past week all throughout his time. He's never denied that he He's never said he doesn't WanNa play for the bengals. But there's one Tommy says the sentence that says leverage in is just like in grade school like one hundred people sit here the same thing and it just starts game Or you know it. The headline is Joe. Berle is leveraging against the bengals comments about him in that same paragraph saying that he loved the idea plant in Ohio. Going from backdoor Hieaux Anybody that's willing to pay him a place. The game of football like that's intellect. It's all these different things in edges. I just thought that is crazy. How the media? We're not used to this bengals fans. They'll just take Odell Beckham. Julia can tell you about this New York but they'll take one bit of his sentence in. May that like this thing in other news people pick it up in by the time we get it most of the people that are bagels Fan. Say Odessa crybaby right. But not the media does tippy will like that. He's really not he's just just as passionate as any anybody else playing football but he's like considered one of the faces up football so the right exactly. You guys are tuning into the origins of new black podcast live. You can't find this podcast a streaming on all of your platforms under the name. Since he jungle with the syndicate of all different kinds of Bengals podcast black insider. Check them out They had someone from. Pf contagious interviews of be sure to check them out with a Anthony Joshua we also had matt miniatures. Talk talk where he's going through and breaking down all sorts of things but in respect to was them said I have to totally agree with him. I think that a lot of people just ending the hate on the bengals because they have they have kind of look at the far right There's always these people in the media. That kind of always pick the bengals in sleeper team. The last couple of years the bay was let him down right and if feeds into the other narrative that the bengals on a team. That's ready for the spotlight and you tend to have all of these people just Nikei all of the success that they've had and pretty much put it all on the fact that they haven't won a playoff game now I'm not GonNa say that that's not a good benchmark to judge success comes to NFL teams. But there's several teams like. I just saw a tweet. Today Luckily Heat Crisco said the been to the postseason more than the cowboys have in the last decade and the cowboys are one of the biggest talked about teams. I mean they're probably one of if not the biggest fan base in the NFL. Aside from probably the steelers A you just don't hear those narratives and I'll go into the air car is asking why can't he? Espn disobedient they don't like Cincinnati. That's kind of a part of West Matt locate relationship with ESPN to be honest when it Kinda started in twenty eleven win. Andy Dong clearly going to be the quarterback Jordan Palmer. Ironically 'cause he's training does now They were saying that he was going to be the quarterback. And it's just like I understand. That shared a national media. You have to cover thirty two teams or for you tonight even have post on. What's going on with the bengals because we're not a big market team because your viewers in that rate as you come from which are typically New York. I've heard about the New York jets. Repeatedly they've been trashed for the past decade. But if you're not in a big market and I also see down at Florida with Tampa. They don't talk about. They don't know anything about you. And I think the fact that Cincinnati is the number one team to have to find something to talk about and this is what they're choosing the talk about them. Do you think that? Espn just hates Cincinnati. Or do you think that is just why is it? Excuse me This is his lazy narratives in people. Picking up Picking up storylines a running. Wooded ratings is a mixture of all of these things in. I hate to say all of his. If you really really trace it. It's always money German so to me. It's all about ratings Clicks of click per. Play off that type of stuff in just just in this moment right now. We're football's not play. All these all these different. He will generate views in taking negativities. Hate to say it just does that. It does that a lot better than positive by Bengals stories that clear. Post of them doing things where they're helping out people in the community and I look views and everything on it in a lot of people will say. That's a really good but they're geared towards this somewhat. Something more negative happens or something happens like bosses. Perfect was on the team. He will just looking at Myself like is one of the things where I guess you expect them to be positive in you. Expect THEM TO BE PROFESSIONAL. And you expect them to be almost like superheroes because they're famous they're rich install everyday. Joe's like myself When something really bad happens it's like What's that Superhero? You're you're you're struggling over. That was going on You got something to say you know like. That's that's what fuels is to Graham. That's what fuels twitter is negatively in Sicily. It is a really is right. I think you really hit on that like now. It's almost like essentially that news has really been watered down. And you get a lot of click baby stuff out there and just people just trying to write whatever headline that they can at one when important thing. I think she test on an earlier was they just put a certain sentence or a certain phrase on there like we can't hear it in the actual audio of what. Joe Borough CEO. We can't tell his tone we can't take any when the interview they talking about you. You could watch it though. It's getting acceptance speech for the debut wearing award or something like that. I'm gonNA tell everybody that's I don't care. What Headline Joe Boroughs? Don't have ten minutes on the podium next week at the combine iffy says it right there. That's the time like I don't know if he had a media training or whatever if he's GonNa say something where he's going against Cincinnati next week is the time that y'all could do that right now. You're not gonNA catching their recycling. The same style so if you wake up and I saw something new caught my headline I mean it caught me and they just recycled a story from two weeks ago. But they on it in. I was like watching it when I was in general so I hold it. What the hell like now. We're this happened to me this earlier. Down what I'm like I'm reading a close family. Man This is serious like it when he meets next week. We'll be posting. It would definitely be listened a linebacker getting into some drafts hot from stone gamut. Tv If you could pick a linebacker draft would it be? Kenneth Murray are Patrick Queen. I'M GONNA start with this one for you own. It Patrick Queen coming into the season I had seen him mocked it like a four round. As the season went on he just started because his versatility and everything like that. I think in the speed. You're like I'm I'M GONNA say I'm sounded like this in this whole thing. This reminds me last year. Everybody wanted a office alignment and I was the guy that was screaming for our forgot. What the hell. I want always wanted a quarterback right and then or the year before that everybody wanted didn't every time I wanna John Ross. Every time somebody line bag some people wanted them away. Some people there. That was the big debate. It was Reuben foster versus like who was Ross. Ross said the time Allen was up there but he got away here. Buzz on down. I just know every year. Bengals fans now fixated linebacker right but if you're paying attention to how they're playing a game of football now in the bengals three four by two sets it in the way that they're doing it. The linebackers aren't really going to see the film. This guy. Whoever this guy that everybody's saying we had this guy if you look at the snap council whatever that guy isn't gonNA play that much 'cause Jemaine Brat in possibly visual they bring him back is probably going to share. Snap with this guy and if you look around the League there are very few Bobby Wagner's in the league in these covers linebackers that you guys are looking at the literature of the world. Hate the bus your little bubble. I just don't see him playing like all of these snaps like he didn't play that many snacks for the rams in I don't see him playing in now I'm not saying Bengals or even GonNa be in. The running for that. Light Littleton is GONNA be like tier one day. One Guy Overpaid Guy. Not even on the table. But we'll be discussing a passer queen in Kenneth Murray. I do like Patrick. Lean over Murray. But it won't be second round for me on any of them guys like for me like I've already mentally like move past it and I'll I'll get into my matsen stuff later on but I'm just telling you guys like just the way that they're playing right now they're not GonNa do that in these linebackers. Don't just they're not on the field that much for me? That's why the Bush pick to the steelers. Never really made that my system if you look at pro football focus and everything like that. I wanted Evan Bush but I can't take that high because the the amount of time at linebacker is GonNa play in sixteen or now seventeen game season is just not as high it. You'RE NOT GONNA get the return on your investment like you would like a corner. I could see them pulling a corner in the second round because now I still like that. That is a more important position like. That's how draft though I go by more important position. Best player available. You couldn't convince Patrick. Crean or a kitten of Murray is going to be better than I got three four corners that I I will take over and right now. Because they're just going to if it's the same argument about a quarterback versus A D. Lineman guy who can swing the pendulum on the winning a game or a quarterback or D land quarterback every time so the the argument about changing never ever ever ever thing for me and number one chase youngest forgot it already has the quarterback in Ra. Probably even as some guys on their defense allow. I know I just went a whole number way but I'm just not sold on drafting a linebacker that high for me in it. If I'm drafted high he can't be a guy like a passer queen somebody. That was a four round prospect that shot his way up there just because the athleticism in making plays early now we'll go to league and kill it. He might put the chances of that. Meet hitting on that in the bengals scout team is not that bursts hitting on a corner rain in miss on a dray even if you missed on a on a on a art you still get lots of snaps and you still want him out there. Laugh linebacker make a bad play right twenty hour game a quarterback make a plane that's a touchdown right. Let's make this science people. A cornerback. Make a bad play. You know about it. You'll say drake her bachelor's these trash got beat with a double move. That's the touchdown gave up linebacker. Mr Tackle Twenty our game in the end. It's that simple to me. Sorry now you If I were to pick linebacker until we grew was saying from a position of standpoint. You know quarterbacks are premium. They're more important. But if it if the borrower my core if you're there in the second round independent what corners are on the board players on board Androgynous as well if Kenneth Murray hysteria you in the face with fresh pick a second round you. GotTa take him honestly. I don't think he'll be there. I don't think he's going to be there. I'll take Patrick. Mclain would be our quaint. Would be there either but I think them rains up a great point right and I was actually listening to a podcast today. locked on draft our NFL draft of sick. And they were talking about that. You really don't have a difference between linebackers have guys that are slow and can just stopped outright a big expectation you have to have a guy that can do all three at the guy that covered most notably because got tight ends and receivers. These guys have to keep up with. No you have to have a guy that can stop the run. You have to have a guy that could possibly blitz feel gaps is hard to really find those guys right in. There's no real difference between those top guys you get and then the other guys that can kinda Finland do some of those things but just aren't as fast or can't cover as well and it really really brought in the gap between those top tier guys and other guys like. There's really no difference between one of those guys Around our six because they really genetically right pretty much win. The hormone field are the same player. So I think like exempt. Say like if it's not one of these two guys. can emerge his second round. I'm running up to the podium. Pasha Quyen I think either one of these guys honestly Based on what we have but to be honest I will take a corey little center. Somebody else veteran that I know is going to come in and immediately and don't WanNa risk this next guy being an ex PARTE DASA I just Wanna I just WANNA bring this up to you guys when we're talking about linebacker to last year right Jordan Hicks Diso Perryman. Cj Moseley ZAC Brown. Who Got Cut? Cory Littleton Kwan. Alexander. Who made a big difference on team? Josh Binds Quantum Alexander. You know he went out for the whole year Brandon Marshall Jake Ryan. These guys didn't change their teams in. They got paid a lot of money. And that's a free agency. So that's the other part of it. I can't chase it in like that is dangerous chasing a linebacker. Dry in the bengals. That's not their Mo as does really really good research bengals trends in drafted. And he'll tell you I if we almost about Birch trends that they follow in it ain't gonna be allowed back a second round unless there's somebody fill out. The first is likes Iranian now as we get to the man. It Kim Murray in In a boy Patrick Wayne Kill it in now get projected as a first name changed in any fall to us which. I don't see how that's a sustained. I could see something like that happening as the right now. They're they're both second round prospects to me in they. Just don't line up with the guys that I'm looking at right now. I've got two tackles right now. That could change the face of our office online at the same spat in that to me on the philosophical. Saying so I just want bengals fans that just when we talk them all linebacker. I know yeah. That's the narrative and I know you watch football every week. In as the season went offer we start talking about linebacker. Just remember these away. They weren't attacking bill if I had my numbers. I pulled him who he right now. They were not attacking the middle fill in teams. Were not doing the same shit. In as we got later on into the season didn't then we started focusing on other things but it was just remember that part where they were killing linebacker. Early in the season cut Preston Brown Pratt starts three or four days then goes on. A tear played really well. Being as highlighted twelve tackles one game eleven tackles following game. They only played one line back on the field at the time right especially an asset great point they really only use the Nipah packages especially with a lot of teams bought three wide. Now never going to really have be linebacker sank. Tie next question counsel Mariano Malamah. I hope I'm saying your name right Bro. And had the eagles look into snacks Harrison? Now that he was released in the bag you guys could probably see the Adam. Schefter tweak dance. Damon snacks Harrison was released them. Do you think that the Bengals should look into him? He studied one years old coming out. I think his third third or fourth team loud for me it just about whereas you fall. I don't think he's a day one day two type of gas so that that is a guy that they probably could get cut cut ties with Kerry win. That's somebody I would want to kick. This is on for me. Yeah I definitely want to kick the tires on to the price is right. You definitely have to have to look at them Muscle Hamster as should we get a wire receiver in free agency? Who's out there? Somebody asked me that earlier today. Who are you going to get Perryman? How this year is the year for why receivers tackles right. Yeah I go third round all around wide receiver. Even if I got a day and I had the franchise if they franchise. Aj and they don't give them this incentive gear. I'M GONNA receive with around. Let me ask you this Sam just off the cuff. I was looking at We pay smarts Tom Ma draft and somebody had the bengals looking at why receivers as high as the second. Round with like t higgins from Clemson. What do you think of that? It all depends on Asia is all about Aj because once you that much money to say you franchising right. He's already let us know that after the season. He's not he's probably going to be gone. If you try to franchise you could cause the thing. Once you franchise a guy. You can't being tried to go into a contract extension it's during the season that's the problem with franchising them in at that. He's three game in. He's probably gone at that point. So if that's the case yet I would be looking. If I'm not higgins no if it's a bunch of guys row see like guys like Jefferson is chased like. They're they're like niche players. That do one thing will end. We talked about that last time. I'm not against why receivers that do something really really well. And we have a whole group of them and we get out of this mole. Where as a green gets hurt and now suddenly our office is trash. I'm trying to develop a wide receiver core where we're pretty much unstoppable interchangeable in. I'm not looking for guys to get. These big crazy contracts in wintertime comes to get a contract. If they don't sound with me you can go draft him again. I'm pretty much taken a patriot. A playbook for root for the most part and just developing like guys that I think. Just do one thing really well even when it got moss it was just a stretch to fill. You know there's still going to have their underneath guys. We still salad boys. We still got audited. That's going to be a great possession. Receiver I'm develop a good wire receiver core and I don't have to have a big star where I agree with you on that the second round I. It just depends on exuberant. Okay What do you think in the seventeenth from? East conference. Gone to the playoffs. Me Personally I think that was a great move for the NFL Why nine seven teams. I've always felt like when they're clicks that we kind of it. Kinda was not enough in a sense when you come in you look at United. Nba and eight teams. I get in You have a total of sixteen. It's like why not Go ahead and add another playoff team. They are and I think it just makes the NFL a lot more interesting. Now you could have teams get in like last year. I've heard people talk about the steelers would have got in. That have just been blowout but think about all the other teams. I go Nana seven. Just don't even make the playoffs for me. I think that it makes things more interesting. And what do you think? I think it makes it more interesting. You know who hit me this morning. It's new junior. It's new is in that case. We would the playoffs every year on the Mike. Tomlin so I was doing with six. You know what I you know what I don't like I don't want seventeen. Believe the seventeen game thing where all these players are just destroying all the records of all of these great players just because they got an extra game. I don't like that the seven game thing doesn't bother me. I'd rather keep it like it is I'm kind of news. I mean I'm kind of old school. Never Got Gosh so as Ryan has should we draft ally early or go with shirts? I'm willing to say I'm Kinda torn with this one right because it's like we could get a sheriff. I know that we're going to have to pay a pretty decent amount of money far right but one guy that just keep sticking in my head. I'm really thinking about in Solomon candidly like Asala. Mckinley is there in the second round. You have a guy like him that you could bring in that. Could you know essentially signed for peanuts on the dollar? And you can. Have you know your future guard day or even Moody Moody as well although we'd have to wait for Moody as good as got the gun cotton? I got loaded. He's ready for you guys. 'cause he's got some guys running down. Woody asylum may candidly. I think I would. Actually I might go with them over. Sheriff now we can share. I would be geeked up. I would definitely be happy but if we could What those guys. A young guard and that could be in their prime. It could be the next Clinton. They'll say hard to pass on that. Jim What are you? I'M GONNA share train but one thing. I've been looking at his availability. Sheriff has not played a sixteen season in a while. I've been standing on the table for my number. One free agent person to be shared and it was article. Nfl DOT COM highlighted. Today where Brandon. Cher was slated to go to bengals because like I said the Bengals had to make one splash type signing. That's like in the first day. Second Day type of Guy. Somebody wrote on here. Sheriff's going fifteen million What is the website? Top of the capital of non exports. Right is another one's called cap hit dot com or something they have projected to get fourteen. Melia. I think in years to come to from peanuts and I like that but at the same time you also Ms Bengals. Don't play guards I get it I just. I just seen him in action. In that guy's the truth you got him next to a Jonah who like Joe Boroughs blast right there. That'S NASTY. That's top ten NFL if he's playing the active top NFL. Like auditor's office last that we could put it the not that we've been needed because my man Joe e that'd be scrambling all over the place the rockets and throwing everything all over the place anyway. So you don't lovers Yo. You don't remember them improve your own. My voice starts going crazy anywhere. I could come out with the same land in the world was still getting seven. Eight wins. How about that if I get Brennan Sheriff? I don't have to rely on the prospecting and I'll have to rely on those scouts and I know what I'm getting my only question with him. That's what point four. Twelve four four million average. He's twenty eight years ago. They said he's project that I saw a that's sports strike though right and this is on track. This is good stuff. If you guys a lot of people ask me questions about different players in this all wrong the Internet and look up laughing. 'cause they compare them the glance today compared his contracts and they say that the comparable repairs are authentic. Mar Andrew Norway Trae turnberry. Don't forget this people the more and more. I'm watching as well if cordy Glenn can get down to that nine. Ten million tight range. I think that's a we can get a four or something crazy like that. The only that allows me is just people might just be thrown off about his antics in. Say We might give you a fifth. But he's worth he's worth a second and third if he's playing it more hassle for Russians as we see Mel kiper standing up for the bengals. Yes I posted on my story to as well so I wanNA play a recorded audio. Hi I'm Jesse Dave Fox senior editor vulture and host of the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. Every week I interview comedian writer performer. About one of their jokes the joke income from their stand up special Saturday night live sketch or song or even a book. We break down the joke and figure out how it works. What inspired it and what it says about their sense of humor for comedy fans. It's a serious discussion about the craft of jokes and for interview fans. It's really funny. Conversation between two people who have a lot to say about comedy profanities sex advice. Podcast might not be exactly what you're looking for for. Maybe it's something to talk about after all that sex. Your habit new episodes of good come on every Tuesday. Starting February. Twenty fifth. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or in your favorite podcasts at from vulture and the VOX media podcast network have a good one now you can follow them as underscore on instagram way. You guys can be in all of his stuff. He's always posted anything it's as he gets there. We sure to check him out. You can also banned. This scribe but here and I've city will always gonNa have always kind of like breaking news content and stuff like that so definitely banger. Here the last question calls from John Doe so you don't know. Do we look at strong safety in free agency around to me. I'm we say you guys. I'm not a huge shot Williams guy. It's not a secret I'm talking. He's trash but to me. I just feel like we upgrade at that position like a guy like a ha ha Clinton dix But that might be dreaming right there. I'm live with you I would love to have a high Stakes are because of the journey that he's been obviously. I don't think that that's why. Bring Them Up. You think that's GonNa be a tough sell. And you think that's GonNa be a hard sampler would be about. I was saying that we would have to have to look at the numbers to see. Like if we were to cut Sean Williams how much our Our camp that would be but I will say like I would say that the bengals would have to pay him for it and I mean I would. I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. I wear mind upgrading at strong safety position because the secondary and general kind of struggle last year and I think if you can inject someone that may be a little better and coverage on. I'm not sure if I cleaned that guy. But I think that that's where Sean Williams Kinda suffers in my opinion is sometimes. He's not the best guy coverage in these more focused on knocking guys out instead of you know maintaining correct coverage trying to cause turnovers. Then what are your thoughts? You think we should go on a draft or do you think that we should look at a straw safety draft but honestly I don't know what it looks like Ha-has Light Margarita. Who like me because of the way that he plays the only other Safety there are noticed there are. The top of my head is like mccourty. See how this is another thing how Clinton Dix only made two million last year and they get like he just plan on a one year two million dollars while year three million dollars twenty seven twenty seven twenty seven two thousand nineteen eighty two million dollars. That's eight I roll. Like remains here one touchdown seventy eight toggles. You put that next to Omar god-like next suggestive as like to me. That's like that might like the top of my list rule. He gets injured a lot. I know at some point in he had proven deal with the bears or whatever but even when he was with even when he when he would the risk is one year after the Green Bay. It's been around a lot. That's what I'm saying like it's not like it's not like I'm saying like I'm trying to get sucked here. Good Dude let me tell you to say up front. I'm going to start doing my share spring to that they had hired him. They got Justin Simmons He's twenty six for the Broncos. He's he's the guy the only made two million last year but he's GonNa make a lot more this year Byron Jones is number. Anthony Harris is the guy who's going to get paid. There's a bunch of safeties that's going to get paid before people even look at Hockley ditch. He played for the packers for four season. He was on the risk out there and then he was on the bears so crazy. Jimmy wars out there. There are other hybrid guys like kindle fuller that are out there to play corner. He's he's younger he's at twenty five so there's a bunch of guys somebody say who for show everybody just like? I like that. That's not crazy. Let me show you. Let me show you guys this pro. Football focus stuff or high clan leaks. Yeah I wish I would definitely take this guy. Got Seventy four points overall grade seventy six point three point five. Pash who really cares about that point five and coverage though that he lied I now would these results right. I do see him quietly. Maybe getting a three zero or something like that you make heavy. He might be if they could get him for around five meal six million years. Something like that right now. I think that's now what the market says Hush Williams and give him Joe. Don't cuss out will. Will you take coverage? You will see what I'm saying? Take him out of coverage all only only person that needs to be covering his titans if we can get into that role and he's just a hybrid come like when I was here. I remember a couple of ever taught the worker. Whatever impact Mercedes to he said there are so many teams that they played. Sean Williams was coming Down Hill. The running back then one no smoke and I never forget that insidious day the Games that I go to the only person who hits I hit every single salish Sean Williams. Last Sean has a knack for making plays bro in with that. He misses a lot of tackles. But if the focus is out of coverage This I just think it's values ain't right. He's just a great across the board math fifty four point four overall Fifty eight point eight run defense. Fifty-seven pass rush fifty coverage. I've met like I say it comes down like let me ask you this if it comes down to a money thing right and it's like you can either take money get. Why did you talk again if you are a all? I'M GONNA keep one hundred if you go that route you might as well look at drinker. Passer Not Williams. If you WANNA get ready to get money like that's ten meal right there you say why am I always come? Came to me. Like four million he made. This is a matter of money. Let me see. Look at something to work for your twenty million. So yeah not not too bad I had a Bingo stank. Like a when you really think about it like anytime that they size somebody out there is always like like Oh for example find says right like they cut him and then they signed like Preston Brown like they always do this thing where they like cut somebody and then they started somebody. That's like that exact same position and they go in again. I think they did it with Kevin Miller one year to cut right now. Luther let me let me let me get back. I'm getting off track here. Other moves the size Borough Romance John Shadow a few Sarah Carter. What's up. What's up. Tj PATTERSON WHAT'S UP. Bro was who they. Let's see what do you think the? Nfl ADDING SEVEN PLAYOFF SAN. We us on that appreciation. That Air Do you guys think thorough. I think he's column borough thorough. Make the bengals competitive fast. Of course no half exam on a hundred percent Let's go through here foods. Should Joe get an extension this off season? I'm not sure what that means trying to listen. Oh Joe Mason. Yeah of course the question. I WanNa see what you think about that. I would love for mixing get one and I know is controversial because a lot of people were talking about the running back market. It's crazy right now but I would at least give Joe one contract now that second war. I can't say 'cause Joe is only twenty three right now. Like Joe is really only twenty three like when he was drafted he was twenty years old. So he's still got a lot of trail left on the tires. I definitely love to at least give him a contract to lease about twenty eight or something that's Because that would be the prime years of Joe Mixon. Hey for him to go somewhere else. And just take off Afterwards then what do you think I'm never a proponent of giving out running back a big time contract but right now. Our Office doesn't have that much money to give out to other players and this is the beauty of the four year window of Joe Borough dishes. This is what you change him. Mother will never lehrer year window for a quarterback is the most valuable thing in all sports. Yes a four year window of a rookie quarterback that can actually ball is the most so that allows you to panel do it. Yes right Cordy GLENN TRAE cut or no. I think we've all talked about. We both say I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm sorry I have to say this. I have the policy is the ace. I tell as that. Joe Mixing is one hundred percent going to hold out right all. I've been reading this whole entire off. Season is how Joe Mixing. I can't wait to get back on the field right so I think he took that whole thing away from me. But I've been saying like. Hey you know this because before he was making all these comments but one thing that I will say is that man lows. Us almost boy already to go right right right. Let's see why want the bengals make an official statement responding Carson? I don't think that they should if you've listened to if you listen lap and Dan Hoard Actually Kinda came back at Carson after communists. But there's no reason for the bengals my appear to put out a efficient statement you know addressing the picks Caig like Carson Palmer was trashed like. I'm I'm so tired of him blaming like the bengals follow his problems like the Bengals weren't out on pick sixes intellect today Willy Anderson jumped on Bengals DOT COM. And it was like they had nothing to do with. Mike Brown he was like I could oblige better carson. Could've he didn't say though a pick I must say that he said Carson Shinhan mcdonagh pick but he basically say Carson could've thought a better pass but to me that is that is what Carson Palmer was to me. He never took accountability for anything. He led Chad basically. Take all the bullets from the media for a lot of that blame. Why weren't doing what they were supposed to do? He never stood up as a quarterback. He's never been a leader. He was always a coward so I wouldn't even address the cowards. What do you think man they gave Carson Palmer over one hundred million dollars? Don't even know why he acted like Mike Brown in do nothing for his life. He had over one hundred million dollars. I like Carson Palmer Utah. So you'd think that they gave him a Turkey Sandwich from subway. They'll play football. We get your bum. As one hundred million dollars so you still talking about it. He wasn't trying to win. We love how he skipped over the fact that he played for the raiders and quit on them too. He was like Amazon. I was like only use a oakland before Arizona. What happened there exactly? It wasn't like He. He has success. He got hurt again like neither here. It is if you'll ever WANNA clip my guy. I forget his name but on a bengals that weighed on instagram. Prior like one of the biggest pages on Instagram Posted the Carson Palmer like last play in. I remember this game like it was like yesterday. They are planning to Ravers. It was three guys sitting in the end zone and this is at the end where Carson just flat out just gave up like Oh washes play. I reminds me four three. I've talked about this play. When we last talked about he gave up at the end of the game are remembered players or other standing there. Like we're standing right here in the Ravens are celebrating our remember watching. I was like why are celebrating. Stops him on the ground like like? It's like the most insane thing ever if I I would think someone paid him to play like like the way he played in getting like there were so many opportunities in the last year. I was just the icing on the cake. What are they? They're like nineteen thirteen scoring drive. Resin three players wide open raiders. Had nobody right there he just throws about on the ground. It's the silliest thing you've ever seen this show was an elite quarterback this is the league to you rating twice a his career. Like Carson Palmer is the most overrated player that I've ever heard of in my life better before twenty two interceptions twenty six twenty light. Look at that twenty ten season. That's all Mike Brown twenty interceptions on Mike Brown. Twenty six twenty again like he was basically like a watered-down Jameis Winston gig Carson Palmer to F- Outta here. We don't WanNa hear about that bump his hall of Famer he's anything. Why are we even giving a hell? It was so you know so funny to me if you go talk to member when there was A. I don't know where these people are anymore. I don't know what they had out these days. But member the borough haters right before everybody. Kinda like we still probably get like one or two percent probably. We should train the pick and it'd be idiots for the rest of our lives like those guys are still here somewhere but there were so many people that said was joe only did it one year go look at Carson Palmer at college and he was always the number one pick for like two three years his junior year versus row like Carson Palmer was absolutely trash up into that last year that he had caused whatever Play football but he was always supposed to be like this Angie type guy but he never had like the play on the film match up with that. Remind me of I forget the guy's name so I just had to laugh at these men. Jacob is Greg Robinson. A better healthy left tackle or better drug dealer hundred fifty seven pounds. That is hilarious on what park is. Did we ever talk about ingredient in my mind? I was like it'd be. I tell you pick the new profession so Jeffrey wants to know. Weston the Bengals Make I guess who moves. Should they make in the draft other than taking borough? There is no other move for me. Jeffrey say the mood they should do is almost like what they did? When it got cordy Glenn is figure out a way to move cordy Glenn get that pick in then combined some picks and then we could talk about getting a linebacker early me. That will be something that I would wanna see. Would for me cornerback. Like I'm starting to the more starting to watch more highlights. I got we're going to do some shows coming up and I WANNA see the combat sue but I got some corners that I think could start like. They weren't and we talk them out there. It's a thing that's going on right now. Is the debt from the cornerback. Like what do y'all talk are. Bw Web you darkwa dinar. Really Kili of new web can't go to. I'm not saying there isn't worth the debt at corner in. That's to me. Quarterback is the most important position on team. But cornerback is the most scrutinize vilified like microcosm microscope. Type position on a team like A. You don't really have that and that's something we always did and right now. I don't feel good about our debt at our John Doe says corners are stat would are you. Where are we stat? Where that John Dell to be honest with you? I don't think the rules are not at a concert. Was the last time the bengals pay somebody like this. Do this do I hear loan? They picked a good linebacker. Like we might need is a linebacker around a hotel. Thurman at one point. Let's see what we got harder. Just flying right. Diddy your trash. They cut them hargraves. And Yeah I know. Bucks Fans Hargraves is trash like isn't he just in the slot dub he's not each should plan a slide. Sometimes they plan on our side. He's really small for it. They put them in the sleigh. He was still about Logan Ryan. You say him out there. They've been attached to him to us a lot to hit. The price is right if the price is right. I'm cool with that wrapping things of here. Let me see. I'd let's do? Let's do the rapid fire around. Let's just regular row quit rapid-fire really see so many things other than one hundred fifty seven Somebody asks for higher grades like you say Palm makes my blood boil. Yup fucking Palmer Palmer Trash Palmer treize facts. Jeffrey Houston Still Year Jonathan Joseph. They never replace Jonathan Joseph. They never replaced him. That was crazy that was I'm rita. Commerce they were flames today. If you guys listen to this podcast live on your own or something bad or whatever in the comments you've never seen Carson Palmer against his will this go. This is all of these comes. This brill like people talking about like Abu. I was a dollar dollar hater. Lie Yasha the same. I wish you sue was his big back. Then when Carson was around like I I celebrated the fact that That we got rid of. Carson like we were paying them top three quarterback like money and he was out here throwing twenty interceptions like the last Straw for me. Was I think that bugs game they came down here they pay the bucks and I think it was like I think it was like two minutes left in the game or something like Bay will still had a chance to win and he lied. Went out at interception like right to keep to Lee For basically the game and I remember like being on twitter twitter was still kinda lip back then and they were like at somebody made a joke that Carson Palmer who is keys to his wife wanted a defensive players books like Carson Strache. I used to but back then I believe I believe I believe. I don't to me honestly believe in like I believe me I think. Damage Carson was the elbow to elbow when he had elbow injury in two thousand seven two thousand five Carson Palmer I sit here and be like two thousand five Carson Palmer. I could say was up there as a top five quarterback and layla fell but like once he has an elbow injury like he came back through a big like it was a lot of pigs for it was over now. I'm not saying he was like the worst thing ever. I just feel like Andy Dalton. Innocence almost out played on. Which is crazy you guys here. We don't really write that much about you know any. We don't really like praise him or anything so like for me. Carson Palmer was acing but he's not like this elite Guy. That's just this amazing quarterback bet like really Dan even do much more than Andy. Come off would that people were coming to a close. A lot of people are saying You know asking about particular players so I wanna get into the players like on our next show so please of in the meantime please follow. Ason new start city. Please make sure you're sending in sending all the different guys that you want us to check out to and what I'm GonNa do like in my spare time when I get breaks and stuff throughout the day at the very least I go watch highlights. I have a couple. I got two sites that I go to and I actually go to China. Why stay with it? Cut Up different games than I look for different traits. I'm not an analyst in claiming to be that but I do look for different things in. It does. Give me a good guy when we're start going into the draft but police innocent like some guys that you guys like that right. There is super super suspect. Right there guided then signed up for you really trust the bun smoked sausage bigger leaks in bigger shays. I'M CARSON PALMER EATING LARGE SAUSAGE. If you're listening to this ACO's pulled up. Like the silliest. I think you show me there. I WANNA say seven months ago like that's like Carson Palmer's like from eating guy that's Jillian that thing that thing was raw dog so raw no nothing no none of that type of stuff was just raw dogging a hotdog. Exactly exactly that's why. Atp is how to but thanks. Thanks you guys for listening to Cast Live. Appreciated taking your questions. Be Sure to subscribe to be sure to subscribe to me as them on twitter as witter. I'm ED STRIPE CITY. 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Jen Kirkman's Cure for Street Harassment (Rerun)

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

54:33 min | 10 months ago

Jen Kirkman's Cure for Street Harassment (Rerun)

"This is a head gum podcast Hello I'm Jesse Dave Fox and this is good one a podcast about jobs what Oh fuck you bitch after we don't know we don't know Nice tits compliments and murder both start with compliments oh my God like for people who don't know what you're doing you've so much energy about it you know is that Nice tits dictionary technically a compliment yes but we don't know if we don't respond the way that you want us to respond or the fact that I have interviewed a variety of types of comedians in terms of age Gender Identity Sexual Orientation Race religion style comedy medium of Comedy Points of view on comedy that some men to understand that it is a really serious scary thing and I feel like if you're going to yell out of your car at a woman commit to it get an old is a good joke and as we talk about Jen put a lot of everything to make a joke but a fairly well covered subject special so without further ado here's work goes into crafting the joke how much thought went into trying to innovate with the joke how much insight goes into social commentary of the joke how much of your body goes into the physical performance and it can be how much of yourself your life your pain you give to the audience these jokes and be short they can be long they can be stupid they can be smart but no matter if there's any commonality I hope it's the quality of the jokes to the best of my ability and the guests abilities we're talking about good jokes on the show don't respond at all nice tits can follow up with fuck you bitch and then we get scared and my friend goes oh I got it what if I just yell Nice tits but don't what they're made with care and intention this all to say the joke Kirkman I talk about the closer from our fantastic two thousand seventeen special just keep living what do I mean by good you know there's there's plenty of ways to answer that but for me it comes down to how much goes into the job and I mean that broadly it can be the one area that I think is really cool I do like that people say they're feminists and it's like white people say the identify for black lives matter and men can stay there Joe and then discussing I knew it sounds like I hate men I really really don't I love men I kind of look at them the way I look at children you know which is just it's really cool and admires that this is one area that I don't know why we can't nip this it would be so quick and easy to do is street harassment it is still a thing that we are shouting Macara the Hornets like Oh it's so super all of my Guy Friends are not idiots it's it's scary he goes what's scary about Nice tits I got well he goes it's a compliment I go no I get it let me take this apart I get on its face the referees between but okay fine free speech you I didn't say you couldn't say Nice tits I said please don't yell at to us so maybe if you're driving by a woman who has nice tits so my friend does what should I say nothing say no words say no words and he goes that's my free speech free speech can't do that okay so we don't know we don't we don't know when someone's it's Nice tits if it's just going to be nice to expire and they drive off or if it's going to be like Nice chits stopped the car kids or if you have the time veer off the road go into a field get on your knees and let God no the act this way but I found out that one of my friends I really respect does this I'm like you street harassed harassment it's a compliment and all kinds of things do you do he goes and then he stopped and he pulled back and he just stared at me out the window and I was like Oh fuck Nice tits and Mike you young kids at a woman he goes predicts were nice I understand the inspiration behind that you can't do that to US Brendan I could not come to any agreement on this and so I was like maybe he's right if we just yell no no guys just hear their mothers me and so we can't say don't say this don't just maybe there's a middle ground maybe there's something you can say I don't know what it is but I had an experience recently that gave me we have to get better at that and so anyway he goes Ma'am I didn't mean to scare you I'm sorry I just wanted to say I love your boots that's a love your and like an idiot I walk up to the trump and then I get mad and I think of I take a minute and I think of all the women from real tits they're so nice I'm going to chop them up in a blender department of Freezer hits POPs tits at six we don't know we don't you might be able to live with yourself listen to your daddy and then he's on his deathbed years later in his father's son anymore wisdom before you go and he's just like or woman or not white or gay and you're walking in the south in a white guy and truck pulls up in about twenty minutes is going to be candles and flowers right where you're standing by walking away I'll proud of myself and then I realize I look crazy because that's what happens is like if you're talking to a girl in a bar and it's going well and after minute she's just like fuck you real severe street harassment acid in the face to just little minor infractions like Nice tits and I'm like no no you cannot say something creepy and I know you cannot and fuck you and ninety so I was in North Carolina and I was walking by myself and on the side of the road and it was dusk and a white guy in a truck drove by fashion son if you ever get the chance to complement a woman and you don't take it oh black boots and then he dies and no one knows what he means by that in his wife she never understood him she's like black boots I know what that means his daddy was in the war his daddy he didn't give me a compliment that is so dramatic and again it is hard for men in the world we must be kind to them and so but part of me is evil boots I was wearing these big black platform boots and he goes I'm a married man I'm not trying to pick up on you I've never noticed fashion in my life I just have one more question in my go here comes creepy question sit in the south and he's just at home every nineties not hungry tonight Martha Henry I made your favorite to nets us yell about our outfit not our bodies because we don't want to think about the fact that we have a body every five minutes and you guys make us think about it all the time when we don't want to you know that feeling and I was like God it would have been great if I didn't let him compliment me and somehow I got to see the rest of his life played out that deep regret you know it's just like some kind of place women's shoes that's right Jesus I like women's shoes I can be myself up here that's what I started to think the compliment if you must yell at what I do and she's like nothing but we're taught to be polite and so we're holding it in holding it in all we have to say I don't really feel like talking but we talk and then we're like shit and you're roane you haven't eaten at your all bones are you cheating on me Henry No Martha it's not about sex sometimes things are about go white he goes are they comfortable yeah he goes well that's a win win for you and he said thank you when you leave the house and you just have your keys in your phone and you feel so free we would love to feel that way when we go to the bank but we can't take our tits and vagina leave him on the kitchen table so we've got to take the AW thank you for letting me give you that compliment I couldn't live with myself if I had and then he drove off and I was like he couldn't have lived with himself club in Charlotte North Carolina and so the story in and of itself of just what he said was the only thing on my mind at that time that was how I was opening I'm here with the person behind the joke Jen Kirkman thank you for being here with me thank you for having me things even at eight thirty in the morning we're like God everyone's looking and if someone's like nice ask but we don't feel good about our ask that day we're like is it sarcastic like it's a whole mind the so the Guy Roles Jones winner goes skews me man Humanitas as something real creepy to you compete by yourself you seem very unafraid here of Isis and I liked that about you you're walking around with your job and your freedom and I'm not threatened by that at all I don't have to explain to you what I'm talking about and you know that I know that a plaid polkadot and sometimes match you go thank you guys so much the shows with just here's this little real life thing that just happened and then by the third show I was starting to add in the Cleveland happened is I think the comedy club manager she and I went to starbucks to get coffee but it was a really it was darker that little bow matches that detail in your shoes that is not lost on me I love it good accessory dinner tonight doesn't have to be with I did walk to the club every night alone down you know along stretch of a safe neighborhood but technically it was dark and so I thought what does he mean he couldn't have lived without it and imagining his life but it started there and if you want some inside info on didn't literally happened that way basis at the very beginning you know what was the first kind of kernel of this show you know if it was the earth is the result of the Big Bang what was like the first atom of this joke the first adamant this joke was the guy in North Carolina who yelled out of his truck at me it really did happen I was performing at a comedy every time I walked Gee I hope nothing bad happens but then also that comment did happen in a parking lot so I just sort of put it all together because it's really not unnecessary that they know it was in a parking lot it's it's still the same feeling no matter where you are so to kind of get a timetable before we move forward you could roll up your window and smash your face against the glass just go to that you could see a woman nice tits and you can call a friend to go nice nice I see doc boots he wants to wear his daddy's army boots in coffin and he doesn't and shoving the daddies black boots on his corpse and he's up having now the black votes oh and it was no one was around and she was still in the starbucks and I was leaving and it was technically a parking lot and he was driving on the parking lot and then slowed back and said that whole conversation and she came out like who was that guy bothering you what happened and I was like no is the weirdest thing just happened and I told her so I think I once I thought to add in my inner thoughts about walking alone in the south I change it to the sidewalk and there was probably right away it happened to me I'll talk about it but it's not supposed to be a Polish joke it's just like warming the morning myself up before I get into the jokes so I didn't mind that and I kept developing it with what that guy's life would have looked like and then the whole street harassed right but if you just complement are closed I think we can all get along right if you wanna st or s s and you drive by in your truck and you're swayed Dr Hey honey it wasn't new but people were talking about it so I I started saying you know we're constantly afraid of street harassment or when this this how long ago was this before you take the special did this happen I think it happened in two thousand fifteen some time I was on the road than Yeah God could it even it second night because usually when I'm on the road I try not to just open up with my first job I try to act like actually human in front of them and so if something has doing dates what was your feeling about that sort of story it stayed in my act it didn't it wasn't my opening bit in other towns but it stayed in wow and she was very upset and she was sad and she was like at this joke is getting very dark and I said promise it doesn't get any darker it's a really funny story the joke now so it really was kind of just about America one point and it just kept staying with me so you have this story part of it none of that was really polished and they enjoyed hearing a local story about one of their own so then you do those three days and then what is your feeling Smith things being talked about a lot and for me it was always something and every woman had just always something we experienced forever so the topic of that sort of material from that at that point so he did it for three days you're like okay we'll make sense I mean North Carolina this story about North Carolina you then continue with your tour reacted to my bit where she When I when I say you know in twenty minutes there's going to be candles and flowers where I'm standing this woman went the topic and I gotTa talk about it you know and so I decided to frame it that way when I decided to make my closing bit and it definitely was two thousand fifteen no no sooner than twenty our team but somewhere in that time and then so that night you did you just tell like hell this thing happened and did you even that night be talking about getting shot by the side of the road that we have to come and laugh about it and in Canada it was just like please don't tell us about these things that was another side off when there's just hey this crazy thing happened even though I've been adding to it there's got to be I mean I'm touching on street harassment that's such a the story about this guy then once I did it in Canada and this I don't know if I kept us in this special even though we just heard it but there was a woman in Canada change it to be about starbucks or do you like the first time you tell it as is did you Monday to switch happen where you started to kind of make it into more of a kind of St uh-huh so I switched it and became my closing joke and then I started thinking well I don't like a harassment part yeah and then you know you have the part of top which is his own sort of store in some sort of joke that really leads into this when did that part come in Nice coat it is something scary about it that I think men or women actually could relate to its brings you back to that being bullied as a kid and you know someone it really like Selfish Comedy Way that joke on its own was starting to get bigger laughs than my closer so at that point I added in the general conversation about what's a compliment and what isn't because I had started to hear so much about it I mean one incident I thought was but it wasn't and so it started morphing based on the kind of conversations going on but I didn't add anything else to it is just and then it seems like you're kind of building out you have essentially building out you have the middle of this joke and then you have the end part of the which was the imagining this this person's like blogs that they believe street harassment as a complement and they don't believe in the culture and I'm like someone has to say something you know and someone had told me I didn't see it but someone told me is not actually complimenting you so I just thought that's relatable even though I didn't frame it that way and then you have I won't say names but famous people on SNL writing She said how can I trust it and it gets you can't and I wasn't trying to be rude but I guess that's the risk we all take comedy shows and I said maybe you just don't have it in you tonight that's usually the reaction I get online is hey take a compliment or if I've tweeted about you know just went compliment sounds scary like walking alone at night and someone says worry that you're fictionalized parts of I think that night I think I said I was outside and this happened from I don't remember probably the first time I told that I told it exactly the to be a combination because I don't think I do and she left like very nicely and that was part of the joke too was that in America were so used felt very like I don't know any other special that has the Senate like I'm doing it and I know I'm going to put this in my special so it was sort of a coming wining bit about getting teased or something so I thought a friend would be just a nice way to have a conversation with the audience and it makes it not about the Louis. CK touched on street harassment in one of his recent specials and almost made me not want to do it because someone already did it and he's famous and then I'm like no it's actually happened to me life we'll talk about later because it's incredible but when did the the sort of framing of it happened where you specifically go our we're going to do we're going to frame it as like conversations with men who are asking questions over its people online but I didn't want to turn it into an online bit it's just sort of that is the that guy get to talk about it and even if I repeat something that someone else has said that might agree with me that just don't say anything is the solution I needed to talk about it things that I might do that are inappropriate don't know or like insecurities of how users interact with women trying to act properly that would not be unclear how you know like yeah it gets to the point friend stands for everyone who thinks that and I think it's more digestible to say I have a friend because it shows I can interact with just like when the material gets to the point where like oh now is going to be a full thing what does the need to kind of stand on its own and you're like oh needs sort of bigger preamble who are the most liberal political people but I walked down the street with them and they turn their head when a girl walks by is that bad or good I'm not saying it is it's just it's or in the attention and I'm like no I mean if I'm yes the person that you're in a relationship with you hope doesn't turn their back on you and your sixty be so happy when no one is yelling out cars at me so it came in the form of literally have a friend who was like I yell Nice tits but it's just he cannot it's it's about the I can't let go of this thing I do because I don't mean it badly so how can it be bad you created what's like for lack of will you know working in comedy writing rooms and they're looking at hot girls online and they're on tinder and they're fifty and they're putting age twenty five to thirty on and we all have a friend we disagree with them were were exasperated at what they're saying instead of these people online said this then it sounds like I'm going into the get on your knees Nice tits happened two weeks before I take the special I was in Portland Oregon and I was having so much fun like I I I don't do it don't stress but it definitely a in that person that you created I can imagine like Oh an extension of like whatever both it's like can you believe this guy and even if you are that guy you're in the audience and can't believe that guy doesn't he doesn't get it that person is such a specific type of person both order villain in the story this part of the story not really filling but someone who is almost as still doing the wrong thing but doing it as close to being right as possible with that bit I just kept adding little things to it so that whole thing of free speech came up that was just something that came out of my mouth two weeks before I taped it on a press junket but I love that character created like I love that friend he's got so many silly questions like what will what if I yell you're not a bitch and I'm like were there just having an existential crisis can I never talk to women and so it's just funny how heightened it gets so quickly and I actually I know sound like an actress leave that once you laugh that big now you're listening with anticipation oh she's not ending on that maybe there's something even better coming and maybe there's more so yeah it's sort of like unscreened so that was relatively new and yes in a way that could be the closer on its own but in not bit I presume that I might have a solution so we're not there yet and so I like that there's something that could be a closer 'cause they get riled up and then there's there's more so now they're like I the comedian friend yeah that's I mean it's it's one of those things where if I told the truth it would just be too long in bumbling not funny I have so many male friends ooh but still wrong because like that is the point that they're trying to make yeah then that part and with the part where he goes what's free speech felt very much like you're talking I don't plan the momentum but I think it worked out nicely that it took a dip it went up and now it's like okay let me tell you this story and then it goes back up again and then it's like okay goodbye the angle like I've gotta make clothes on it yeah you're like oh I know this is going to be in my special so that means it's this really actually have never heard of even phrase about as a person who hangs around a lot of comedians felt like a very comedian response to what you're saying and then that builds ju like the that part that and then you go down your knees and you're like where's that decision and how that how is that even happening I don't right I I- everything's in my head so what I did to get ready for this particular special over and over and then sort of out of nowhere the thought comes in and I do it and it's the most exciting feeling because I knew I had the special ready in August and it would have been just fine and I knew if I do this six weeks in a row every night things will come to me aalto then contextualize the story so then the the kind of back and forth part of it we talked to a friend and he says he does it did that purchased a fictionalized. Id on the road every weekend for six weeks at comedy clubs specifically so that I had the pressure of not being in front of fans specifically only fans and doing five shows they wanna date you know I see good men acting this way and I've had good men ask me why isn't that a compliment like do you think when you're older you'll miss as a week and two shows a night sometimes is you know you have to start entertaining yourself so once I've not memorized but once I know exactly what I'm saying it does no it that's how my creativity works in some of my favorite little asides or jokes came from just doing it over and over and having whatever I call it on point think of that in a moment vizo no it wasn't the moment that they filmed it I mean there's so many specially in that I mean there's something my mind is working behind the scenes I don't even know and I tape it and then I sometimes I remember and I'll listen to the tape and I'll the specific wording of certain parts of it I love so much and I think my favorite is so let's talk about the the I guess the because unlike so you don't think I can read a joke one of course that was an improvised and if it is the people that are be carrying me through the streets calling me a genius so yeah so it's all verbal with me and memorization it's really strange because I have terrible memory but for this of a really good memory so it is just doing the same thing the thing that I find so fascinating when he's as sort of like oh I can do this or you can add this part when are you doing that like how much of this are you like literally writing down by hand how much of you it's my brain shuts off when we're taping like it knows do not think of new things right now so nothing off the cuff happened in the special but I work and then I came up with like okay what if you say it but we don't hear it and then I just made it like you know if you must say it like the get on your knees I don't usually re I might write it down just don't forget it like all right get on these you'll nice to like write it out like a script and then the next time I do it I added in ahead time then you just kind of figured out how feeling out you know like in the most basic sense of the words that you're saying and the fact that they're probably the same what you're saying over and over again doc the creative magic in the back of my mind show up it feels and I think what's good about you as a performer ended a special captures though it though it it obviously is in that way it doesn't feel old break is still only six weeks it's not like you did that for three years and then it's still feels fresh but there's a thing that feels like you almost are doing improvising with yourself when you do it and so much like you're the you're talking the words out and then like you are most you're you're doing like the Double Act making it all look like it's in the moment because I think that's what I thought was exciting about comedy I and then I remember being disappointed uh-huh like writing a little play that was my favorite part because it's so stupid and it's so fun I get to sit down on a stool and I it's it's nice do yeah yeah maintaining sort of the momentum of that story was it difficult to figure out different parts of which part you had a way more differently going back and forth of yourself and your comedy has that ability to kind of bounce between you and your brain version of you yeah and I am definitely for the special I mean everything was like word for word memories they did not let when I went to see the same performer the next night and did exactly the same way and I was like it's a trick but yeah and I get I get excited when people think that and then I get upset when they think that imagine not doing it and then you're like Oh then I have to imagine it yeah so then you paint this scene of this family so what does what does that was what was it like doing that because essentially like adding to the joke but that is the new part of you like your conscious yeah sure I think about a phrase that the person talking is but the back of your brain is like oh I know how to hide in that and then essentially kajo-kaji good one obviously it's that it was picked by the guest or I and played at the start of an interview but at least to me that there is more to it third of the four parts but the when you're imagining his life if he didn't complement yeah yes which seemed to came pretty quickly because there's something where he says I can double edged is it like a painting myself a corner with that style you won't both them to be like how did you think of the moment why how could I think of that in a moment because you did it oh silly and I really am embracing being sillier and it's just a part that I've always remembered crowd's liking because it's just like I think they almost no what is coming to when I say imagine well you know I used to have a different do you remember that woman who strapped a camera to herself and walked around New York City and my favorite line and is the he says black foods as his last words and its life assumes what she knows what he means whatever and I didn't get into it but the heart behind it was I witnessed a man who not only was not sexually harassing me he wasn't Caitlyn Jenner came Caitlyn Jenner and I I had another weird incidents that used to be part of the story where landing at the airport a weekend why why am I into women's shoes and like what kind of shoes does wife wear I mean has he ever complimented her outfits and is he wondering if something's wrong with them for this guy he's the guy that gets the cabs for you and he was like Hey I really like your outfit I hope that's not weird to say and I was like no not at all is he I mean it was it was actually really interesting because it was right after the time line was pretty soon after men in corners like you can't notice fashion or you're gay and gay is bad you know are you can't notice fashion because that's not masculine complimenting me he was having a like an existential crisis he was like I have never noticed shoes in my life and it was sort of he I think he probably drove away going you're talking about street harassment more we don't need to reference video but in the beginning I say that's what I'm talking about and then I say I wish I had all he's like I'm really not hitting on you but if you were my best friend I'd want you to take me shopping and I was like Oh okay and he goes I've never said that about women's clothing he's like I actually and you then go then she's shoving black boots on his corpse feed which I thought it was sonically who's he it wasn't like a man who was confused about his sexuality was like he didn't or maybe he was but because of culture and the way it puts there's freeing all men to imagine but then it was just like it's too specific but it's it was really about that existential crisis of like does nobody at home under video camera on me like she did but instead I you know I got to be invisible with a camera a fly on the wall of his life and maybe it would look like this so it kind of person seen that we're going to essentially do in two acts what I wanted to get across with the guy in in his life where he's not understood is him stopping me and talking about the shoes I self this little mini play in the generally a lot of your comedy operates around story so it was like a different type of thing but still felt like you and me museum went that one I just edited Al The fat and just got right to it but I don't know it's fun I like doing that because it's it's if people don't laugh at it than fine I'm just in amusing stand who I really am that that story that guy made me tear up of so I don't know why emotional that day is not that and would wear that outfit but I'm a man so I can't but I would wear it and I was like okay and I was like what and then I had that incident so it used to be kind of a bit that was longer about like Caitlin Jenner Nice but also like a very specific mix of language I don't know if there's a story behind it I mean that and also just like the fact that you picked the two things I wrote down was that and the the at the end to have that part I thought it was like it felt large which will add to like this is a closer of it which is like I'm GonNa now inhabit all these characters right I'm doing two three it's like I had to say things are easier to that sounded better but I had riffs about like color blocking but I don't think people know that kinds of things like that and yeah there were different combinations but it was mostly about that guy would know clashing patterns sometimes are are very ace women seem to be behind it and I thought it was a nice way of saying like it's okay to talk to each other it's we just want you to understand like we fashionable and by the way I don't even mean that that if you WanNa yell something out Yeltsin thing about clothing I don't mean that don't yell anything but I just thought that would be a nice that is and then I had riffs about an I appreciate that your that your shoes and purse aren't too matchy matchy not that it would be bad if it was you know and just on our bodies being looked at any time we don't want them being looked at but still when someone yells out something that our clothing it's still strange because you a guy wouldn't do it to a guy I hadn't polkadot sometimes match you go which is the last line of the thing I don't know if there's anything behind either of them but you know when you're having those last words of the thing to do you like have different nations and I was like Oh belton shoes belts and like what were what were there other options for their options were just like at that point people are laughing and I know it's the closer so someone sense of safety and privacy but I thought oh well that'll be fun to just say here's a solution which really isn't a solution but I'm a comedian not a which is not fun we'll be right back with more JEN Kirkman after this word from our sponsor sociologists I just thought let's give everyone really silly solution that we can get behind it it's interesting that sounds like the crowd matt sad no no the store you just told of the guy at the oldest one oh yeah that though I'm an easy cry don't agree I think they're way too sensitive when we're trying to teach them stuff but I've got to make these people laugh as well and I wanted if anyone recognize there were some nights when on the road I would actually if it was a super liberal town I would say actually women don't want that either but I had to I had to have a joke here oh I'm still in this person's life we just have these differing views and then I just wanted the case to be made for it's really not is themselves in that friend of mine for them to no it's okay so I knew it was important to again pick that it was a friend of mine too in airports and I think I just I learned a lot from social media about how people do and do not like to be spoken to men I mean and so am I in fact the one time I got mugged it was time one thousand where I thought a jogger was someone mugging me and I decided this a one time to believe that I do more of that and I think just getting older and having more experiences in the world and I think just social media has changed the way I see things I get to know what everyone really thinks about stuff and I didn't know about five years ago you know as much so there's more ways to talk about about that we don't want your compliment it's that you know these other guys I don't know if you guys know this but these other guys sometimes say Akam a nice thing is it turns into bad things so we are just protecting ourselves you know I just wanted the case to be made for you guys have no idea what's going on in our heads when you do that here's who I am here's my day to day life here's my marital status here's my thoughts on this nut so that was just thought he's someone who's running towards the subway and he's also running and then he realized he the woman thought he is chasing her yeah that happens all the time I've had that happen so many times and it's nothing personal and an and just the case to be made for your nothing is really going to happen if you do that except we will so it just depends I mean if I'm in a starbucks and someone comes up to me he's like that's freaking great shoes like that's fine it more about yelling out of a car an interrupting I mean a decade of doing personal stuff about that and then putting it all together for special that had a definite theme which I do think was a broader theme some of like everyone leave everyone alone about whether they have kids or whether they're married but unfortunately when you do something so personal I didn't like about it is that people thought I was preaching a life of being single preaching anti marriage I thought I couldn't make it any more clear that that that's not what I was doing feminist views so it's definitely personal but it's not so much about my life where people don't think I'm like you go girl I'm not I'm just like you lament and then they murder us so I know you're not one of those guys so it's like kind of reassuring so I knew I wanted to make that part of the argument which is like sometimes that's partly how it works but also felt like the entire special building towards it yes and I don't know if that was both intention so I'm really trying to move away from that stuff but in your first special it really is like introduction to me here's the material been doing for ten years and so I her as you realize these stories have have that yeah I worked on the orders so many times I changed it up a lot I dropped a lot of stuff I added in the yeah I mean it's it's so sad that we have to think about this stuff as Comedians as women but you want people to like you and after forty five minutes intentionally did is that just something evolved as you've been doing stand up longer I think it's evolved and it's something I intentionally leaned into now go I thought I thought traveling alone because I thought that went really well with the street harassment but I thought it was more gentle and you don't open with street harassment because you want people to live weird and scared and I know you guys don't WanNa do that so just here's how it feels is interesting because when he phrased it that way it is you know it's the point that men don't realize wing and so this special a lot better too it's totally personal I'm revealing things about myself I D I do have road rage I did this thing here my me we'll see what I say then two years from now so you know we mentioned that is partly you made this joke you're closer partly because it's getting the most laughs at night the way the world is talking about things and and my first special was really like you know from the old school of comedy which is then I decided to put the period story in there as you know I just the themes accidentally came about but then I went I could ride George Carlin esque feel which I know I am five billion light years away from but I wanted it to have that here's some crap in my head that's going on and because what specifically looks based on some things that body parts we have and things we go through so yeah it was a very female specific but not your typical told you this is how we want the story to end yeah now with what you actually think is correct because then it wouldn't be joking just boy to be fair I don't want that either I'm trying to work on new stuff now which is so hard but I think it'll be S- I just wanted that special to have the feeling of this is where I am today next year check in with I'm me this period Talkin Street harassment talk that that guy wouldn't have so why not be as special originals I can't that's interesting because it's such a clear point made felt I wouldn't say like a major shift from your previous work but I you know I've prepared for that they knew listened to all of your hours and it definitely is have that kind of feeling of its timeless but it's okay if I'm talking about things that might seem weird like what their street harassment you know I didn't care if I don't care the men not feel bad and then the women would apply and like I think I'm going to end the special with an aside you know triumphant or like a clap of like yeah we agree evolve the part that is not necessarily jokester but this sort of point you were trying to make or achieving to me I don't really remember how it came about I just do a lot of sitting in thinking or thinking like a shift towards a shopper to it where the store is always there but there's a little bit more focus of like what the the the takeaway is anything is that something that you've noticed happening in something that you they're so watching they like you so now you get to tell them your feminist views harassment you don't start with that because you could alienate people right away and you bit or I could work on this bit and make it a thing and I think it ties in with you know being a woman is being a human life it's the same thing but here's of your last special you say something like I'm not a political comedian or anything or something like that and obviously political comedy as a specific thing and Lenny Bruce about legalizing marijuana it's like well now you'll be like Oh my God I forgot that it wasn't you know so I'm sure mine will look outdated at some point but I'd like that so I believe it's at the did that to a stranger they don't know you are not the murder type guy in any guy could be murder type it is reminds me John Mullany has joke of where he's was just someone jogging and it was someone running after me to grab my purse so I mean we think of I this is something don't think about all the time so the the idea of the L. Hey girls let's get chardonnay you know what I don't want it to be like that I wanted it to be seen as like and this is so I wanted it to have but this special in particular I think they're even your last special had a little bit this one particular did not feel like political comedy but it felt political yeah oh my God is going to be forty five more minutes of this so it's it it became my closer because it got the most laughs and then I was actually happy to put it there because it was like now we're all ready for this and no not really hard to do with the election it was truly just what was going on in my life and then I started filtering things through it doesn't age while it's interesting thing that you know looking back growing up in you know just writing by Comedy Watch specials on a lot of the a lot of it just seems like people are more comfortable with women talking about being women so I was like I feel the freedom to do this and I want to I've always been interest infractions that kind of exist yeah did did that seem kind of realize when you start doing an hour you're like I guess these all of these little moments or did you start tying those moments together divorce but I have this quick thought up front about dumb people and I just want you to know like this isn't a political comedy show especially when I say I'm not a political comedian that's again like that's to the at home audience which is I promised this was a special about not wanting kids because your background is whether you are and you're more storytelling than he his you're you use storytelling to exhibit a point so it's interesting how Sudanese topics and so I'm going to go for it but I didn't feel necessarily like it had anything to do with the election or anything like that but and at the top of my first oh how many memoirs of Dudes have I read and just never thought I wouldn't relate you know and so I think in culture the one area we have an totally master did that come out of I mean obviously it was recorded during an film during an election year was that part of it is also just like that's kind of where you're going media is guys thinking they'll relate when they go see a woman and so I just WanNa keep talking about it and until people realize own I'm Richard Pryor's stuff holds up but then he'll talk about people that have no idea who these you know they'll talk about maybe prominent senators and I don't know the senators of the seventies or something for better for worse but you're only getting one of these jokes and if you don't like it then we can get into the marriage stuff so it's always almost thinking of the home audience But Yeah I think now it's like I'm not saying anything about politics or something that it is in a way political to say I really need to tell the story about the time is in normalizing a woman talking on stage telling her point of view I had a guy email me once like I want to buy your book but I'm not sure if I would relate because I'm a guy and I'm like Whoa you know it's not a thing that I would necessarily immediately George Carlin but then when you say it there is it inside of you know sets a thing and then he like breaks it down but add all kinds of thoughts after the election I thought I shouldn't be doing stand up as a distraction I need to save the world and I just didn't believe that people would rise sociopolitical I guess I knew one of two things what happened in the results of the election is people would hate women so like it's just important for me to keep humanize the couple shows I've done people are just they wanna hear about it and they're also find non hearing about it but there's no weariness yet because I didn't know what my period was I think that is so funny and then the you know the election went the way it did does is that still kind of your stance or looking forward think everyone's like this is so crazy what is happening so you know I'm not going to work on an act about trump because it changes every day and I won't have a solid you know I'm looking at it as yeah yeah so but it is is that same vibe of like this is what I think this year you know this is what I think of terrorism and then the next year it's like this is what I think about that so I just wanted channel also or byproduct of the fact like oh I guess I've been thinking about this theme broadly and in I mean I guess you sort of like the minor career move like if I do another netflix special it can't be about what trump did today so it's got to be about the general culture so I always go back to what people believe how we talk about things how it affects me so I don't have any material about that so far but I look I've loosened up on myself a little bit and I'm like you know what my lane is being a woman I mean you mentioned that it was hard for you to currently you're having a hard time reading material or Yes said in passing I don't know how how is that part of it been well save the world with a new kind of comedy and just remember that my lane is women's stuff and making us more human and so I think that's importantly we are back with Jen Kirkman how do the the argument part of the act that but it's interesting but like who cares if it's like people watching it now that's what I want that's what I want like if you watched a bit I'm sure there's comics I think think Bill Hicks to do stuff about it's a very bad for comedy but what I think any time we accidentally elect

OITNB Episode 46: "Fluke Tobin"

Cincy Jungle

51:23 min | 5 months ago

OITNB Episode 46: "Fluke Tobin"

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I'm joined by my co host Zim. Who pays them say what's up? Hello World Com so we have been Around in a minute but we're able to connect together and get back to you guys. We kind of talked about some things that were going on with corona virus a Lotta things surrounding the Bengals Jake rain the franchise and things that we saw plan now but today actually began. The first day of free agency is probably the weirdest free agency because of the circumstances surrounding everything but things have kind of gotten back to normal in the NFL world unfortunately with the draft not being cancelled. We'll be close to the public which we expected to happen but free agency kicked off today started off with a bank. Obviously we saw Ryan Tannehill. Sign a huge deal. I think it was a hundred eighteen million total big deal for him. Also an expansion for car in France has the guy that got his over there. Can you get the right franchise? Derrick Henry Joanie was franchise. Some weird stuff happening. Basically Tom Brady still a free agent right now. Doesn't like he's going to have his choice of where he plays. San Francisco said no Tennessee. Titans said no seems like the Patriots. I don't know what their caps situation looks like. But I know is pretty limited. Being they've Kinda franchise the Mason moves on their own. So he's still out there. There's some speculation smoke going around at the Chicago. Bears went to the bengals in the same as if reading between the tea leaves. And what's been reported? Than-thank possibly must offer them the fourth round draft. Pick Bingo. Sit Out of that. And apparently they probably want their second round draft pick. I believe I don't think they have a third and so what Chicago has done. I honestly I would've taken for like I don't like like what you can like. Get your seventy million gauged. Some me is just like the reason I say that is if you don't send him to the Chicago. Bears is your next option Patriots and patriots even want him aren't a patriots. GonNa give you that. I don't think the Patriots are going to give you a second round forum so for me stop the Patriots. Have Second. That's a good question. I'm not sure if they knew or not. I don't know if they do. I don't think they do but I made to me. I'm star in give up of. Aj McCarron trae light when the bengals overplayed their hand and basically ended up not getting anything for him. Also they cut cordy Glenn. I was clearly wrong about. That doesn't seem like there. Were any SUDAS recorded. Lynn lags 'em was trying to tell me unlikely reported. You know nobody wanted quarter Glenn. So they cut him saying about nine nine million dollars cap space a franchise. Aj Rain started off. Forget about a surprise. Matt a shocker of with the OEM seventeen point eight million There's some raises which very for one quick second go ahead hop his four bengals fan. I got it. I got a real. You guys sometimes feign Yossi. The Hawk is just got traded for a second round pick it. We're talking arguably the best wide receiver in football at Twenty Twenty eight twenty seven twenty seven second round pick because David Johnson is. I don't even I don't even to sit EDESSA. Throw it at me. I don't even know at the same for all the people that that value. Aj Green I value as grain. 'cause lease not for history wise but this current market is getting a set a second they come off people that's that but most people are criticizing that deal because they were like. How the hell are you giving up beyond Hopkins for a second rounder? So was that and some people are are saying. Not just that was Advocates some people are saying. Apparently he had beef bill. O'brien had beef with the Andre Hopkins in. That was the reason that he traded. Because everybody I've been hearing said naturally made absolutely no sense. It makes no sense but at the same time they don't have to trade him. I think that there is show you a rookie. Contract is one of the most valuable things that is like going on currently in the NFL in it's the reason why the CVA while all the veteran players are being yesterday we don't know who is loading on his breath auto players ahead me saying this is like Donald Y y they agreed to. That's right but those guys that are longer tenure players that have more to lose like these young guys come into the league in push autodata. Oh we're calling twenty eight twenty nine year old eve. Young men were calling him old but they're pushing out elite so thousand dollars inside. What what difference do it make me? But at the same time is just a young major league Residual a second. So that's what I'm saying he would add is a green data hasn't played his market. It's the bengals the xactly would they had to do. They need to make sure that he can still play. Made sure that he could do it. In at the end of the year else knew it but team offers as green deal. Whatever they can match whatever awful. It's the perfect thing and he could cry on. Don't WanNa go to. Ot as in our S. W WHAT OKAY. Can you bet a suit up and you better play? You'd better stay because if you don't nobody's GonNa Watch now now. You're thirty two thirty three three. No I really want you is law made this little. I heroes at just eighteen million. It's the perfect leg. I think I look. I love players with me as I think I like. I I take the CEO like standpoint as Beli- looking at me like man whose whose side you're like. I don't know my own standpoint As a deal ain't seen you play eight games two years no franchise you now. What you're GonNa do and if you play ball out I'm GonNa get you again. That's the way it works is a business year. I mean to me feel somewhat stupid. Just because they had to pay him seventeen million guarantee so that takes away from them being able to be active today. So I don't know like for me is just those moves can happen but like even going back to the Deandre Hopkins saying what do you say Shawn like? You took away his number one. Receiver Lie Shawn. Watson is not gonna be happy about that. And that's your future quarterbacks. I've been the deal Would you take that second? You were wire receiver. Heavy grab yard had second so now. You've got two seconds so you look at all the talent as they're going rookie. Bill would again do. That's not going to give me problems. Follow suit listen to what I'm saying with the same measurable. He will be other happened. We don't know they're all prospects but you can get the saint measurable and Saint Spee. They're saying height. You got guys like mims and stuff that will normally earth. It's maybe fall into the her. So you know what I'm saying these guys. I love her for for Kalamata that gives Number one receiver that he could depend on that was kind of his last year. Kind of fills out a wide receiver wrong with Christian lyrics zero so I love the deal for Calamari and I love to see the bengals. Actually make aggressive moves like that when you got somebody like though borough coming in but obvious news breaking news. The bengals Sada bag of doritos as starting quarterback. That was like something totally different. Who is resigning somebody? This bag of the reader after this episode of Labor or was it just something here. Are we putting the tenure? Trolley is probably the purple bag is probably the Chili bag. Matt even get a four year old man. That guy's we're Gomo now all right. So let's talk about being free agency or if I can call it. The man has been talking all day about some of the potential guys that we saw possibly coming on board we also talked about what the bengals strategy is going to be a for me I'M NOT GONNA say that I buy into do Tobin. The bengals played out the narrative that they were gonNA be active in free agency. But I at least that there was gonna be like some kind of offer on the table for one of you know not a one a guy but maybe a to a guide to a to B guy was what I was looking at so when I say to eighty to be. I wasn't expecting them to get Joe. Tony that was going to be like a wishlist kind of thing. I wasn't expecting begin buddy from the rest games. I was kind of expecting the grand. Blast go Anger you know a mid tier. Wha Why ski. I'm still surprised that he went on. The first day is first linebacker but I was looking at second year. Kind of a free agents owner. It was the best bang for your buck. And I don't know bagels have added. The compensation would have but that's a guy that they could afford it so I'm with you on that one. That's a guy that they can afford that. They should have been right so for me. It was I wasn't I wasn't expecting them to go out here and Tom. Byron Jones by any means but I was expecting them to lease. You know attack. Some of their major weaknesses like the linebacker position. Unlike the guard position. Go AFTER GUYS. That weren't top dollar guys I haven't seen him do anything from my standpoint. It's been somewhat of the look of incompetent. Gm which do Tobin Director of player personnel with the fact. Andy Dalton is still on the team After the trade deadline ottaway up until now just shows how competent team is to go into a situation light free agency having seventeen million tied up in limbo. Now I don't know what how things have to be done. I don't be in that. These deals don't become official until Wednesday. I'm not sure how all of those things work but it just seemed that they put out this fake narrative that aligns artis false narrative to read away the narrative that they have of not being a team that participates in free agency. Not Be entertained. That wants to win This is the same team that just a month ago was saying. We're going to be active in Free Agency to impress. Joe Borough now if thing about this is the win the wind and I see this. Was that Joe. Borough was GONNA use once I get there was I. Dobro was going to use this period as kind of like a test to see whether or not yeah. I saw that. Yeah Yeah I saw that test to see whether or not they were really telling the truth so I'm pretty sure. Joe Boroughs campus in back in Washington. Listen it just so happens. That freezes falls before the draft so Fernando to meet with Joe Borough say we're going to be active in free agency and do all of that and then completely dropped the ball on that to me just backs up what Carson Palmer said like I hate to say that because I hate Carson Palmer and I know that he loves the big sausages and take pictures of it but I mean he's right. He's there pretty much proven right and as them. Just put up on the screen for those who are just listening. I can't see he just put up the fact that the Babel's last in federalism East Bay million dollars on bounce. Nobody was trying to find any of those guys that they retained on tender. Like Alex. Alex Airs Elliot's Brandon just to it like Alice in Redmond or seen Carter I will. I don't care. Carter is like old line listening to get them back owns. I'm good at that but I'm like man. Hey like I liked those guys. If those guys signed by the other team I wouldn't care but your special ace glad you put it cinder on those guys but you tend to your claim like you decided to keep Alex Redmond over Clayton sexual and now claim has gone or you. You decided to take brain Wilson over Clayton Brenna Wilson. Yeah I guess so were. That's the but I really feel like. They only did that because he was cheaper. Like all of the moves if they make in my opinion all circle around money like what they can do. Get the cheapest guide Do Chief is fixed like this whole that? They're selling us about a week thing. That Michael Jordan can be the guy. They're only saying because Michael Jordan makes peanuts. Michael Jordan was a bum last year. Like I'm sorry like I'm not gonNA NOT GONNA hold up shits me in put sugar on. I'm supposed to act like as candy like some bullshit like Michael Jordan does not a starter like I'm not gonna be outta filter or anything like he's not a starter. He's a good developmental player. He's not starting like he's not good. We saw last year. He wasn't good like he's really priced. Priced better. I really feel like he but he has some pretty again. Pf ever black back. It up is looking pretty good games. I wouldn't just toss until wolves I wouldn't Sossamon. Yeah exactly I wanted to just be like. He's our starter. I feel confident and a guy ahead was score of an eleven and one of them gains by. Pf Out of a hundred and is just like. I don't know I don't know where does front office is going. I don't know what Tobin is thinking. But you're talking about this is what's going into our fourth year of office line and you really want to stick with the same guys like these are things that I see where it just does not like. The bengals wants to prioritize winning. I've said on this general before I talked to the Bengals can make the playoffs right but I thought that they would be able to be smart enough to realize our line is fucking garbage and we need to sign at least one player in free agency to do some of that line like. I'm not like Austin blight is a pro bowler. He is not somebody. That's GonNa come in and just be amazing but compared to what we have already better than anything that we have there just as soon as he steps foot into PBS. As soon as he comes in and with his headphones on a he touches the soil. He's automatic. We wanted the best lineman team physical. He's as soon as we get on the phone. Where as soon as though? It's hot to him on the phone. He's already better to somebody guys that we already have. And that's for the love of me. I can't understand like why you're not doing a like. Why are you so like the national media as long as improving them right in my opinion and I hate to say that they proven right. I feel like I understand where you're coming from but said me. There's not too many like. Outta all the deals that are saying the only one that I really really ruining really like look at it said okay. Like that's a guy that I think that it should it's Initiative went is the Guy Tau deal whatever the Linebacker Assaf Matt Emma. Playing Eric Flowers type of money. Byron Jones is not a high fade corner. Never wanted him. I'm just looking at an as like Johnson's as bradberry. That's not an upgrade from Patrick's is like packers signed Christian Kirksey. I will take curtsy but I want him. I want him like all in down to me day. Two days three. I don't WanNa like the expectation of Bengals fans in free agency is just totally an animated fantasy slow. But it's totally different. I look at Free Agency from. I'm looking at three agencies or would it like I want to get somebody slipping just like it? Imagine if you're in a grant. Is Somebody Slipping Timmy? I don't WanNa be the first person that's my personality though. Like if I go out and I saw a car of my juries right now and it's on a latte right. Now I'm not going to rush to the diller like a mother figure out a way with somebody like got in got until a car payment and they couldn't afford it and I'm about to take it off your same thing like this is I'm GonNa go share by nature like on day. One guy like none of them. None of them bills thought were good. That deal What's the boy that we were saying? That Conklin. We didn't need a tackle. So that's the office laminate that we would right tackle. I'd say over Bobby Hart convertible. He's not crop. Cock Lane is a right. Tackle Taylor Lewan left. Tackle a little while for the titans. The left's applejack hospital. I thought it was the Lesser Soda. Competent bill isn't that bad but the hassle was guaranteed money in a dad. Bengals running twenty million in guaranteed money. So just me know how to upgrade. I don't expect them. Sinusitis got with a day. One guys all GonNa get guaranteed money. We're not even in four five. We're like sick like recording. This guy's six seven hours after this Periods even begun. I don't expect them again Guys like that. I expect them to go get somebody like Blake Martinez. That sign like early on day. One he got over based so now. I don't want him in in the garden. What's the guy that we saying today that this I only two guys sided? I'm like Bengals have been insults with him. I'm more and more frustrated with the fact that they don't have the resources in place to make. These deals happen. You don't have resources in place to make the dog. It'll be like soon as we should come out this thing running out the gates and move right I'm more at. I am not frustrated with them. Not signing none of these. These deals are terrible all they I'd say that was the only reason I say that is. I'm not worried about the LINEBACKER. They're like I y you like you said who still some guys left right but the Gar precision with thin like it was already like once. Joe Tony and Sherve were franchise like then literally left only often blinds. Graham blast out like I don't want Richie guy on a good deal. I don't want that like like that's like a band-aid like F- for Me Del. That's where they need to be aggressive at. I get what you're saying like I learn first day. Deals are bad but it's like okay if I did call Joseph three days from now. What does that do for me? I already had shot Williams. Like that's not make an impact immediately if I though and get trae. Wang's three or four days from now. What does that do for me? It's an upgrade like to me like gone off of this team. And what are they lacking right now? And what can you get in a draft that Balancing that in in an interview missing Dr Thing now you research awarded via the Bengals. In now you are. You are forced to go get dr earlier than you probably wanted to earlier than what? I probably wanted would too but if you feel as though that was like a big time. He likes to me left. Guard was the one thing that Campbell That's the position they don't have at this. This the grand glass style bill. Like twelve million for him like he's not a robot or anything like that. That's why and that's why I went into a Joe. Tony got guys not me. It wasn't about me wondering Joe Tony it like I was saying no because I knew that that was gonna make Glenn like in a changing all up like I. I sympathize with everybody like that but for me free agency is not about who can get out there spending unless she just got money that she got a splint like Brown and all that money all Caughlin they had to why we signed then they case keenum to excite case keenum wrote a browse may some now they did make some questionable move and I think they sign they sign case keenum. They also signed I don't know like a browse you've got really I own because let them having a new. Gm that means that they can be blowing the whole thing up. I remember my my guy that we had on the podcast. He was worried that since they had a new. Gm Get rid of Finger may food and I think that is like with them. Sign Kirk cousins. I'm almost looking at that lag. Disseminate that is possible in the future. Like a breaker Mayfield. Those workout. This year that they could live offer from amp use their radio. I'm the big signal. I think it will put the pressure on him honestly. I don't think he's going to deal with that person. That will I think case keenum D- like brewery than Atas back out? Did I did but I guess excuse me. The organization is saying look. We're not liking some of the things that you don't representative it. It goes a spoon. You guys like the import girl. Amac is like acting are beaten admitted into everybody's everyday in my life like for the last four five years where I'm just saying. What are you without a quarterback in this in meet so many people that oppose it but it is everything it is everything like in. You're not supporting the quarterback with pieces around him I is. That's a long conversation but going back to my point and up teams by my count. There are currently nineteen that had inside. Anybody just like the bengals now. The bengals are part of the nineteen teams right but because now seeing these names and stuff go across the spring is like make everybody like the miracles are never going to do. Anything is not that. They're not GONNA do anything. They're just setting up ever to be a team. That goes Hammond Free Agency in. Ns Okay because we proven before we can win without going crazy and free agency. We Chris is when we went to the playoffs for the five-year Street right. It wasn't because we went heavy in free agency. Were banking on the draft right. But you know the number one thing. This is the number one thing that we were missing. Auto years quarterback with a quarterback ain't would deliver you the reagents you're talking about. But you have to see Joe Borough do it earth. I said this to multiple if job world goes crazy this year. A does everything supposed to do. The cats basically read. You will see the bengals go hand in free agency like you've never seen him aboard but they've never had a quarterback that level Carson Palmer was thought to be that but he was never job world. What I think Joe is going to be so for me like right now. This is not the year to go out and go crazy and agency. He has to show them that. He's that guy I n even if they never do go crazy every agency were way the way they just played in college with saying teams that wants to the playoffs. With how many hours do you think that equates with the same formula that everybody Google right now? The same woman who got to the playoffs. Five years straight JOE boroughs teams. Do you think the AFC championship the AFC championship. The on about auto days off. All the team was dead now. So when you say that I- CD's these teams that go across the screen. And I feel some type of way only that made me feel that type of way the Ravens. 'cause you know what. I saw today's ago Callejas Campbell. A STRAIGHT MONSTER GETS TRADED TO THE BUCKS'LL RAVEN STORY. That's their whole weakness. That's their biggest weakness like fixed that the Ravens beat are headed last year. We not doing anything to combat that. That's talking about Callejas Campbell. I guess Michael Jordan Murder Him. He's going to murder him and then they just saw Michael brokers so it's like okay the AFC championship last year. Are we not trying to beat them? Are we now? Are we not trying to challenge them to take over? Because that's how you get to the playoffs. GotTa I win. Your Division bagels have done absolutely nothing while teams in the division are getting better and then they do the same thing because they got two dollars. They can't do anything. There's still a minor. Division Mattis dealer forty million dollars and we have like they got a negative trailers. Eight a gofundme page starting for them to assign anybody phrases like. Hey Guy like negative twelve million dollar signs of hargreave. I think you'll forget about last year was just like this is not possible. Look at look at the steelers cast mates I don the bengals signs of harboring. Oh Yeah I may think about this though. Josh does this past year. We're like he's not really like working you. 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I'll let a great question Jesse David Fox. That's hard to say man Jimmy. Grandma'S SHELL HIMSELF. Now run get him. Seven eight million. They they think that they again. Oj gramling tripping on that one divall hardware inside the three thirty nine million twenty six willie guaranteed to the Eagles lose. This is the NFL Bro. You got to be aggressive in some form or fashion. You got to be aggressive like it's one. I'm listen up. Listen but I want to sum this up by saying this. This is year one of the borough project for me right it in that right now. I need to see what I got. I need to maximize him having his rookie. Dale ban on ask ban on his rookie deal for me. But I just go out and say this is the plan. This will be going to go or you're going in that like the browns. You Go Baker Mayfield now you now. You're out spending eighteen million or some case keenum lie announcing itself so for me is attack the DRAB. Get as many pictures. You can use a culture in the building. Try to do all that. Bla-bla-bla CLICHE stop girl delivers in whizzy. Seven eight close to nine games. Whatever they did. I'm fading on the table. Say Day One I want to put over. They want to reserve people. They're trying to get over. Raw Wizards won two games. Get Anybody on day. One anybody sitting here is the nails or they re agency coming off the record and you don't have money like like like they have money every agency owner. Inner in their organization doesn't have money so they don't have the they can't afford to take the chances that these other organizations can take. The Eagles owner owns is a billionaire. Like these these then that that chest type deals on that side was the ucla over and over again. It's still the quarterback issues that worried that is the only hope that the bengals head the Green Bay packers in the Cincinnati. Bengals are no different or any print. They don't pay over nobody anybody they had. That was legit out like all of that stuff. Nah Not anymore not anymore packers if Nasr One more than ever done in the last ten years right now they not come back because their owners ownership is not going for that like they did that to say okay. We're going to do this in we're GonNa win needed to suit. World was not at all. I'M GONNA play. This was thirteen days ago. People that I picked up in Annapolis that it's really the opposite of what the narrative for the Bengals has been in first of all I would expect them to be involved in free agency. I'm not choosing to go and break the bank for the top top guy. Maybe that was thanked him to be heavily. Involved in the upper and middle class of Free Ages. They got a lot of holes on a roster. They get better. There are surely some players who would help that team really at all levels outage thank the bengals to be heavily involved in. This is actually what they've spent. I know now forcet that was Bush because they go ahead the bengals. I was curious about the actual. You know facts of this whole thing so I looked it up. Here's what they are since. Two thousand eleven. The bengals are right in the middle fifteenth in spending to thirteen. May On. You WanNa hear more on here not grossly. There's no Asians but if you were a young player a good player on their own team gooding Palmer in the mainland the highest paid quarterback. Andy Dalton gave a big contract to if. You're a good player of their own. They will pay you talk to Joe Berle about in a part of the frustration. They have with the national narrative. Where would is a national narrative? Wrong is not active in Free Agency. And they don't have the resources the pullout chains resources like. Why are we still saying? Why are we due to affirmative? Make and then be well. I don't know what they do. They don't work the phones like I will work them and Cleveland. Browns can people if people are signing up to play in Cleveland. Well all it factories and fish and a mistake by the lake and on to to play for all of these cities in for all of these franchises. Why can't they do the same bra? Let's say light in the browser hungered soon. Yet they WANNA limbaugh wreck a one crazy same. That's always sixteen saying wants to one more than a team that just went to games last year. But that's all I got to say on. I mean we'll see what happens the rest of this week. I'm about Thursday. We'll have an update on some new things as usual. A loves them provided his insight. I'm still frustrated by days. We're going to check in on as everybody. We'll SPA Louisville special podcast. I'm mad at him because I told as we're recording. Is The hardgrave deal rain this before we close this thing out? Yes I WANNA John Hargrave. More than anybody if agency. I said that this morning but you know what they did. They made him the highest paid. No sacral in all of sports in. I'm not willing to pay that so now my Away from it. I don't WanNa make it nice. Paying person is full in those sports in coming up with two senior season. That makes knows it knows somebody to push me over the hawk. If I'M GONNA play that's just my thought process not overpaying for nobody. I'm Mike Grandson. Hey Man I I'm. I'm kind of jealous. Ravens right now man. I think the ravens right now lack the model the model franchising the division. I don't know if we're going to be able to close that reminded. We will start seeing a three. Just Walk Up Hill. Yeah we go against Houston we say. Hey realized super bowl or we're not in that position right near understand that you only want Byron zones name name me the three guys they got signed today to one gram Glasgow overpaying on Nick Kiowa Ascii now not all Phil Gramm Glasgow's overpay if he never the reason why we wanNA miss. 'cause rather play on the team for Roy grow but he's a good guard though like he's on top of the League Guard Hobby half of the League. He's in the top half the week. I take right now. We're not. We're less. No Gis accused Joe Borough Upright as the open hose for Joe Mixing like wanting like. If I'm GONNA spend money. Anyone Aslam Windy in that day. Like I don't WanNa give twenty eight million guaranteed and he's not a pro bowler or he's not. GonNa get me over the Hump in my team is at any better like I mean. I don't know I feel like Joe Broken navigating that part that I never. I just wanted to close four years. Forty four million twenty like. That's not much man. That's not much. This year is not in agreed they should have been on the phone with him in. Kwai acquired Unknown Bourne is named up with a linebacker from the bears. Those are two guys that year. They absolutely should. But I don't know behind the scenes like what's going on. What are these conversations for? All we know them to guy that we're talking about these are saying at an air by got then two guys might have said I don't even WanNa play for them. That's not the baseball. I don't know what I'm just throwing that other or that could be said. Maybe the bengals are the world. When I'm not about to our grim black I would too. I would have so consulates who I would have said to especially given that you just cut. According Lan was at nine million wooded cochlear How much millions a year What was his adversary Of His twelve three more did that. I would have did that. In like bobby you can go to like. I would have did that. I would have got that money between Bobby Har- According Glenn inside conflict but I mean I'm at this way it's fine over spoiled milk. It don't even matter. Conklin data three Dale Forty two million thirty million guaranteed two years for forty two so he I like twenty million fourteen. Forty three thirty million guaranteed he gets. Twenty million is first year guaranteed bills in. I guess that's the part of me. That's like okay like I'm with you. It's not a big deal for them spin that to me. But just knowing the structure of the bengals organization I guess my expectations for them signing the guy like that is not. That's not what I WANNA ask. They could get it the reason. Why drinker passionate looking at very light. He could be a possible because they always these deals with these out of the deal and a Senator Al Nasr primarily like who is the rapport. That's just play the thing but I'm I'm not bargain shopping. I'm trying to get the mid tier guys. We're trying to get them for less than what I want. I want their markets. Radha I want I want a Look around speed and nobody was the type of money. Come crawling back to me. And that's just the way I I just I. Work deals like that like somebody wanted to take a lot more money in though day. One or whatever. Hey wound go go that went to find somebody comparable to grant blackout and addre- or it because it's not a generational talent so I'm not going to be crying or thinking about that one second. I'm not even wanting to do the nation ever again. It wasn't like Greg. Last Gal came into the building. Anywhere on Earth like how? I'm looking at Lamar Jackson. Every day of my life. Why he came in the building and we lasted. I'm upset about. I'm not upset about them. Not Spending money. That's not in my hockey like I don't know you trust in the Gar- 'cause I don't end address I don't I don't trust him so I would say grind Glasgow 'cause I know what he is on testing zobrist navigate through that popular got Zia before. Yeah right in be improvised in this whole year. I'm not trusting. Now I'm joined lab better and I believe that a guy a really good backup in billy price and I believe they have a solid foundation with John Williams in ensuring housing in an antique annette. With me in putting that with Joe Borough in the end of the year Joe Borough lights it up. Yeah we'll be sitting there thinking they want we right over the Hawk like after year won the game on but today what sixteen day one. They went free agency. Everybody thought they were GONNA now. This is not where it's at rolling. I'm not like none and bills. I don't want him. I want grandma glass. I want heartache Michael Brokers. Do I think a lot of these deals happen today outside of the Eric Flowers in the other view? I think a lot of our like even with even trays that happened at the you. We always take the damn hotness there. We wouldn't be talking about agreeing. Not Another second hand. I'm just I'm sack lawson deal wasn't I've shacked was crazy. Ten million a year for SHAG allows said No. No no no no no. That's what I'm saying like talking about. The dolphins got cleaned Fez loan. What's I've I do want to create federal? I didn't I didn't want to cornerback. James bradberry Hayden Hers Do I thought I thought the Ravens may move like the collapse Campbell. Trae was smart for down the Michael. Brokers deal was smart for them. In a Brown's the Jack Conklin deal I think was smart. I'd I don't get the tide. Ambu that makes me think that jokes about to be on the way out like joking. Probably not we need to with read only have aside an low key low key. We don't have a tighter line. We just got all these hoes man. I just don't trust them to draft him. I don't this is telling me now. They won't be that number thirty three. Pick Yaacob Gary are guaranteed. Bet Any amount of money on it. There's no way that they stand in that spot. They need they need players. They're they're getting a at the end of the day they're going to go crazy. They're getting that thirty days by nature and they're trying to make that in pits. Wash down wash the mess around get less value for somebody that trades like right after the same the same theory where. I don't trust him to to Scott. I rather take a two for one with them because the guy that we think is so let at number thirty three. I think it will probably going to be like a wire receiver. That's GONNA be glaring at us in the face with our love. We will go drive that while receiving here go get hurt so for me to get it. For what off because the sainted near where Glossing a Willis they. They're gonNA try to recreate. I'm calling unsettling yard at right. Now Listen To. This is not once as they stay very foods by getting special to bones for one that's will take on too a couple months ago near as on his thing he said. Man. We're GONNA play us for united where from twelve to sue and I wasn't on it in Asia now reverse 'cause I believe in Joe Borough so much that I don't see them. Maybe the playoffs. But I see that the growth in it's with the hang in the absolute auto side is gonNA force their hand. Job Berlinger vocal Though borough is having a pool of Joe Borough is GonNa have so much on his way from sponsorships and everything. He's GonNa demand that they had to change some things like free agency but he's gotTa do it earth because what they don't want to do is get themselves in a situation. We talk about year or where Joe Boroughs already talked about getting the hell out of Cincinnati. Right you'll make them with that. One one year has lit it. Put so much pressure on a national value of a quarterback in. I'm trying to preach this stuff that everybody would add a quarterback. You don't have. They don't have no pressure. Was the pressure on the bengals office. Deduce that me you on the podcast honored On Day in that month the sign is is they want. Who's there pressing fans angry on twitter? All the bands. That other nineteenth bad player. They're all sitting there just like we all right now. Saying why are we sending? That's not pressure. Pressure is a quarterback that sitting in saying you know saying Russia is is in a quarterback but this thing out because I think we went a little bit longer than what we probably expect there. But that is the recap. You guys haven't seen crave Recently Charles is now the highest paid quarterback. All Football of Falcons gay hated hers earlier from the Ravens a giant Sand James bradberry Pakistan a two year deal Christian Kirksey taxes also signed a running back. Ricky Wagner Knicks acquired. Hausky was the big deal. He went for seven meal. That's the precedent brown money for a a linebacker that is on the up and up in. That is the biggest deal of Free Agency. After type of bill. The number four still awful Mark Barron. I'm just going through SEMAINES. I at at at current time because Jimmy greenback cut like yesterday. Eric Lowers this a stupid deal? Your boy Margus Hunt gets a cut. 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The Lonely Island's Jose & Mark

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

1:12:09 hr | 1 year ago

The Lonely Island's Jose & Mark

"This is a head gum podcast. Falters gone podcast is sponsored by visible a new phone service that gives you unlimited everything including data at speeds up to five megabits per second on Amazon's four G LT network for just forty dollars a month all in. Hello. I'm vulture senior editor, Jesse Dave FOX. And this is good. One eight podcast about jokes the podcast in which guest comes onto play and talk about one of their jokes bits sketches at cetera. Usually podcast comes out on Mondays. But this episode is just so special I had to get up as soon as possible. That's because our guests are the lonely island or any Sandberg gonna keep Schaefer. The two members of the trio primarily responsible for the Netflix special the unauthorized bash brothers experience self-described visual poem slash fever. Dream imagining the life of the one thousand nine hundred eight Oakland Athletics, sluggers Jose, Canseco, and Mark Maguire, why the episode special. I don't know if there's anyone that has created more comedy that I loved so deeply and Suzy ethically than the lonely island simile, I don't know, if there's anyone in comedy of ridden more about including a four thousand plus word, opus vulture, how the only island change the internet comedy, and especially internet comedy on the episode. We talked about the bash brothers special as the groups, I reigned to live performance as they're going on their first hor this June almost exactly year ago. The lonely island played their first ever facial concert as part of closer than San Francisco, and that is where these characters made their debut as Akiva, Andy performed the song, the sub. Of this episode Jose, Mark. So here is any San Akiva Schaffer, as Jose can say go Mark Maguire respectively. Welcome back to four. Chatham, Danny here with to having a heck of the year, the bash brothers, this point guys, I think everyone knows your but just what you introduce yourself. Okay. And I'm Mark. And I'm Mark. Needle. Got me feeling. Mark. Next. Every plane. Winters, scott. Tell us up. Dialysis machine. Part of the we're not ashamed. And I'm Mark. And I'm Mark. Throat, nineteen. Choko Taco Bell. And Dr extra guacamole low. With that. We'll step into much. No. And I'm Mark. My name is Martin blind at clay verse bays. The. The. We're here with the bash brothers themselves, and he's in burgundy keep shave. Thank you so much for joining me, our pleasure. We're here, the bash brothers themselves. The real ones. So watching the Netflix version, it insult remind me of growing up and loving Michael Jordan in so much like I was obsessed with him. And then as I got older, I started learning that he was like an asshole, and it was like an innocence lost moment where I still valued him, but I kind of so more a person, so you guys are right in the sweet spot for the bash brothers, you growing up in the bay area. And I know at least Andy had a poster before we even talk about the album and the special, what was your personal journey with thinking about the brothers and the ideas of heroes, in general from being a kid to the steroid stuff to be public figures yourself. I mean, I think we all had the poster definitely I was as big a fan of the bash brothers as a kid can be of a thing. I was they were it for me and growing up in the bay. They were so fun to watch not different honestly than how it is watching the splash, rather. Is now on the warriors where it's just like everyone in the bay was completely ignited by and. Those those as teams in general are just incredible to watch. They were like put them up there with, like Showtime Lakers, and those kinds of dynasties where there's just something special about it the personality combined with the talent. And the story that sort of built around that. And we were the right age for her age of like real dinky guys, like ten or eleven when you just can idolize and like playing little league and. Yeah. Now, you give me a Pash. I will say, I I never like fell out of love with them and even win win. They're the steroid stuff was happening. It was so many years later than their hero status in my life was solidified and kind of couldn't be I, I agree. I all of our friends have kind of said similar things. We've been talking a lot with our, our buddies from back in the bay because obviously we somewhere made this for them. And. More than anything. I just felt kinda sad for those guys. 'cause I you know we had genuine love for them and still do that. That was something that, that they had to go through, really. And the, the I mean, we do a lot of like deep deep sarcasm on this thing. But, but there is also truth to like that. They work in a sport or in a job where there's that much pressure that you would try things like that, you know, say I had the idea do doing something around the batch brothers because you want to do something new for cluster fast. And it was going to be I live show, and it's going to be San Francisco hometown show made sense, but sort of what was the initial spark want. Someone mentioned, it, did you instantly have an idea of what it would be? Like, like, what did you think would be funny about it in that initial moment, key, you brought it up? I believe the first time. Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea though. I mean, we were just trying to think of bay area stuff and I don't know. And also just it's fun to do music for us in the personas of something that is larger than life. Like for us. It's like you get to pretend to be a superhero, almost, I would say, not that dissimilar from like Wu Tang or something. We're just doing the super sarcastic. We hate ourselves origin. Most of our other songs are in character of some sort. And if it doesn't say explicitly, like who's the throat on the ground guy? I don't know. But he has a soul patch, and he wears like we all kind and go hat, like an old army jacket and yeah. He's very specifically not you, but he doesn't have a name or anything like a lot of our, the guy that did boombox looked certain way like we would try to assign characters. Yes stuff. It's more fun to make music that way for sure a lot of our songs the same way like our buddies SNL, like Bill or Christner Fred, or somebody would do characters, but they're also kind of loosely impressions of people. They know a lot of the times the songs were making our that also or just our impression of various styles of music when I interviewed guys for Popstars e kiva, you said, the benefit, partly of writing for a character. It's useful for whatever percentage of the audience doesn't get what we're doing in so much as I think having explicit character is. As a benefit is have you noticed that it's sort of like it's clear to what you're trying to say when it is a character that is they have names, and you can point to them. You have backstory like that probably. I mean it definitely clarifies that it's not specifically us whereas you might be like, why are they saying that if it was a saying certain things? I mean, we feel like we've only done like three or four songs where it's truly supposed to be us, and even then the joke is generally how much we suck. And it's still not we're making up lies within like it's not true. You're saying the story about us having a four way with an alien didn't happen. That was that's real. That's our words story. It's about as much as I assume like Larry. David is in curb your enthusiasm, or like me and REBA exactly that one. That one that was all too real. When I first saw the songs that cluster. I remember again, from when I first interviewed kiva, you said you guys like making fun of posturing pretending to be cool, and tough and masculine in that way. How are the bash brother sort of perfect, muses for your style? You just said it basically, they definitely embodied that eighties vibe. That is both. Really fun and entertaining, to watch and behold. But also has more and more and more become clearly problematic. But that's also not even specifically them that we could have been any sports star from I believe. Yeah, it'd been football players or baseball players. Any other baseball player a lot of what ju like drew us doing this weird project is just those general ideas of, like, yeah. Honestly it combined with a lot of sort of realizations about stuff. We grew up on, like, we recently have had a lot of discussions about, like revenge of the nerds, and all these movies that we grew up on that seemed really harmless and goofy. And then you watch them and you're like, oh, this is rape. Fuck like this is so uncool Hauer we shown this children. And it's, it's like the problem. So I feel like. There's nothing about Mark Maguire Jose Canseco specifically that we would assign that, too, but we loved them, and they sort of acted as this vessel through, which we could explore how growing up in that era made us feel a little bit. And so it, it has hopefully the duality of you understanding that we're huge fans of theirs. But also were trying to be funny and also talk about why things were bad. We said this the other day. But like the whole thing is almost just are as if we stopped learning anything when we were eleven and it's like, what are dream of what their lives were like, like it's more of a encapsulation of what we thought we hope was going on. For this song. And in general, the bash brothers do know what you wanted the vibe to be then sort of looked for beat that would go with that, or were you going to beat and sort of built, the, the vibe of this song off, it, this thing was not well thought out. It was a little bit of both. It's always a little bit about. When we when we do our quote unquote, music. Yeah. Exactly the best ones, less plan, then even anything else because we didn't have any intentions for this project was going. No, we didn't think we would have a budget to shoot. Any videos we were just making songs for fast. But once we were in it short. We answer the question. Like, for example, we came up with the idea for bench pressing. Bikini babes as a song before we chose the beat because we were talking about, like member, all those posters, and videos of guys doing that, and being like can you believe it? Well, even more specifically on that one we actually made the beat with our friend drew Campbell. See there you go has become the idea. It wasn't even it wasn't just something we've found or matched to an idea. We actually it was composed for the song. I mean, it's it would be difficult to find a beat. That sounds like an eighty eighty eight style rapping that then goes into Enya. So I think we had a hard time just tracking that one down. On credit drew Campbell was this song of beat that you guys just found. That is, I mean, that's this guy, Jesse shack who actually ended up helping mix almost every song on the record. But that's the one beat he made. And but that beat informed the joke of the song, for sure. Yeah. Because we turned it on. And we were like whoa. This is so epic, we love it. And I did the, the Jose yell. And then I think you've just this. Mark. There's that song. Yeah. In general, for Lear IX, d you map out the comedic beats before you sort of Lear Leyritz to know usually we right to the beat once we have a premise, and then we kind of pick and choose the stuff. We like in jigsaw, puzzle it together. Oh, interesting on this one that was especially case because there's so much back and forth, especially. Yeah, but not necessarily every line. I say some of the lines, I say you wrote and vice versa, like, we'll give each other lines even like what's one that I wrote for you that you wanna get one that you wrote for me that people seem to really like is the. Pork one. My name is Mark and no, I'm not working poor because fork, that's NC. And what lyric, did you write to Andy, probably just like a big dummy? Is that in the song anywhere? I mean my favorite thing ever that I got to say was the steps in dick in a box. That's whole section was, Akiva. Let's get that out there. It's on a lot of shirts. Maybe they'll pay me. Just. Holding. Joke in that. So sort of as dryly as possible. How do you write Rapley? Looks like literally just how does one sit down and do it. Do you start with the first line, a couplet or this last line? How do you write? I don't think we're the best people to ask about this, but you're the rappers that you are the only option that I sort of have we are the tap for apertures in the game. We, we want to get that term, a little more ubiquitous, I've coined at frapp ING fake wrapping. And it just don't feel like anyone saying, but me is because it really catch on then people could use it against real rappers, and call them. I feel like it's. The thing we're the proudest of could be an insult others. I don't know exactly how to answer that question. It you kind of, like think of topics you wanna say and for us, it's so specific and narrow. It's like it's why so few people do it exactly how we do it because most people who are really good at writing jokes. Like, hopefully, we are at this point, don't wanna spend their time, putting those jokes into rap form. It, it, it's the same as whether or not we right to beat or we right ideas and then choose a beat. It's, it's never one way or the other. We kinda just I guess, Keiv you always like to say, follow your muse. Is that that is my main things just getting petrol yourself. And by that, I mean watch the movie, the muse. Yes. Of course. Sharon Stone, the whole gang album Brooks. I believe he wrote and directed it and it serves us. Well, there's two parts of particularly. The rhymes with Maybelline dialysis machine part of the game motherfucking name. Do we have any remember of how the thinking behind that? Whoever wrote whatever parts of that. That was you. Yeah. We knew we wanted to do a joke about the dialysis, right? Actually read some, some research on, on steroids, and the dangers of them. So, yeah, then the mabley in his the. Connecting cubes line before it. We also were like I want to say, there's, like, either laundry list, either, like actually written down, or just through conversation of like, we should probably talk about sky tell pagers for specifically we wanted to mention hilltop, mall because that's where we went growing up in the bay like stuff like that. And I believe you're line proceeding is the chicks of every flavor because we're in the majors that girls cyber. Yeah. And then chicks hit up. And then we knew we wanted to do that weird beat switch up because we were trying to make it a little more agro in less less like predictable with the song was going to do because we figured that would help distract also semi Seddon Eighty-nine from song song, we would go. Let's try to Paul's boutique here or let's dry. You know we did w was doing at the time or whatever was happening in nineteen nine and then very quickly. We're like, okay we did that on a couple of songs. Yeah. Let's do whatever we wanted to knew we wanted to end on machine new to connect to girls. So the mailing you're just making it up, though. I don't remember. Let's right. I look at you. Another one cocaine fists caves your nose hole. They don't know though. We say, I'm wise and photo but also like Dorothy. And toto. But way, more swo- swell, bro. Yeah. Wayne, we're swell, bro. Yeah. Our bodies, our logo, I guess we could just say a higher power. Mere conduit. I don't know. You put the beat on, on a loop, and then sometimes someone told lines just come out, like in the equivalent of a free style, but in your brain and then other times, you just have to sit there and tweak it until it works. There's not really any good answer. The truth is that whole run is low Dogo blow syllables over and over again. So you'd have to go back further to track the beginning of it because the preceding that step into my DOJ. Oh, but that's rhyming like four other things. Right. Extra guacamo-. Where does that won't even start? I think it's that whole verse starts with Conceico can make the host go. Low slow MO for your bro. One time, otros nineteen eighty show the euro, the logo the whole bay loved me because I'm so bolo. Some of our friends didn't know the term Buluk and I was surprised what is it like super jacked? It didn't really stick around that much. Yeah. So you're the logo is implying is the year of whatever the logo is a horse. Does a wolf Spanish was not the year though. I'm saying it was it was my year and I'm a wolf. Right wolf. Is that even the Chinese year the year they don't think so we looked at just, at least that it wasn't so so so it's Notting then because it's, it's not even off. It's not even anything, the Arbor's of Jose, in this case is not referencing the Chinese calendar. No at all. He just saying you're saying you. It's my year and a wolf was there any second, would you considered having Mark Maguire be bed at music the entire song? We did talk about that. Yeah. We kept debating we kind of because we were having fun making music kept. This is a problem with all our music is a lot of times, the jokes mess up the musicality of things, and we always have to kind of decide, how unlistenable we're going to make something for joke, and it's always a balancing act since our first, since the first things we ever made where you're like, well, it'd be way funnier to make it sound way worse right here. It's also sometimes we do make. Themselves very bad for that. It depends on if there were sure there's going to be a video or not like something like Sherani, right? Or previous to that. Sax man. Correct. Which we thought we were gonna make a video for. But then didn't. Yeah. We're happy to make something really sound bad. If we know it's going to be supported visually and we can prove that it's on purpose. Yes. And it will be because he'll do anything for a sketch to be funny. Yeah. Anything anything I mean. Yourself? These, we didn't know if they would ever be anything, but something you would listen to, I mean, we talked about just putting the whole thing on soundcloud, under a false name and just seeing people found it. So in that way, we settled on all right? We'll do it for the chorus and then I'll try to sound more normal for rap. So that people actually maybe wanna listen to it. When I interviewed ritual bloom, she, she tries not to put the punchline on the on a rhyme on a rhyme rhyme, because it will feel almost too predictable because you sort of have a sense of what's going, what is your relationship between rhyming and the joke construction, especially when you have special on this album where there are a lot of things we rhyme. On the same sounds, I sure we've made changes for something like that, but not ever articulated at or made up any rule, or anything, like I'm sure sometimes we construct something like, oh, it'd be funny, if you said it like this, but I can't even it's also just personal choice. I mean a lot of time. In writing jokes for songs, or for like an award show or for us and L or something. The suggestion will be end on the funniest word or what the joke is like reveal the joke at the last moment. I certainly understand what she means their cases where you want to be more nuanced with it, and keep people off balance a little bit more. I think for us it's where it falls in the song. And also, how much we think it's a good joke. Is it worth being like, and there's the joke? Pause love this. Or if you're like, yeah, that's fine. Let sorta like throw it away. Or sometimes you're like this is a great joke, and wouldn't it be cool if we totally threw it away? Yeah. That would seem like we're very confident since we're talking about lyric writing. I have to ask about the writing of the baseball team verse in less bath to get him. Jay. Like Marlin expose pirate over marriage spilled out his. Padre. Tell it to the ranger you feel. Up. It rock. Brand socks. See stars promptly. Hi. Achey on tiger. The major league twins no-one only baseball team. What went into that as it is a I think that you guys like to make fun of your own wrapping? I think pretty good rapid. Well, thank you for happing, but yes. Very good frapp ING pretty good rapid always has to be at the top of the game in the frapp world, because that's something we could maybe a chief. I don't remember what I thought that'd be something fun to try. And it was fun. It was a fun exercise. The humiliating part. Is that I included two teams that franchise after the year that album, suppose the special supposedly takes place, I don't really have a good excuse. But I will say when we were working on the album, we hadn't yet thought about making the special and we kind of contextualized the special as a story a little bit more. And I don't remember why chose whatever years the Rockies and Marlins came into play as my cut off. But I will say I looked it up on Wikipedia and was like, yeah, maybe it was like it was still playing or I don't know how I decided it. But it was you had tried you weren't just being. Yes. Loppy but I say everyone on Twitter, I see you. I'm sorry. Everyone being those three people on Twitter. But yeah, it was it was neat to try and do something like that of, like maybe I could pull this off. And I even at one point realized that I forgot a couple of teams in a went back and rewrote a little bit. I need I clearly need, like a fact checker person the way that like the John Oliver show has or something just in life. Yeah, it terms of the, the different traffic and wrapping. Do you ever wish you didn't have to nunciate so much? I feel like the biggest difference between what your goals are is that you have to like very clearly speak the same thing that have with Hamilton. We're real rappers, we'll sort of slur. Yeah. We are beholden to people understanding. Our words, it even has to do with mixing the song. Sometimes you wanna mix the lyrics lower and let the musicality of the beat takeover. And we're like can't here, especially when you start talking with auto tune, like we did a little a little kind of sound cloudy wraps sounding stuff on this one. Yeah, but if you want to start getting into, like Travis Scott future. Migos territory. If you gonna do a good impression of any of that world, then no one can hear you're what you're saying. So the it starts limiting the only jokes to being like gibberish jokes like jokes about the fact that you can't understand which has been done. Exactly. Well, so for the video for, for this one, I the market Jose, what were you thinking? Why do decide to work with Mike diva wasn't me for y'all to have an outside director at this point? Yeah. Well, the first thing just Mike diva in general, is I met him randomly just literally ran to somebody on the street who told me about him because he had just had a meeting with him was I meet with this guy, and then watched all his YouTube videos like met with him, essentially the next day, and that was a year ago about, and it was right. When we needed somebody to help us make what was on the screens at cluster fest. And so he made all the videos with his team for what's behind us at the concerts. So that was our kind of. Yeah. And he was amazed like, really clearly talented and super funny and the. Steph on his channel we loved, and then we gave him a few, like, hey, maybe take a shot at this for the concert, and he was like, do you mind? If I like try like a full pass on a few of these, and we were like, oh, sure, and what came back was so good. And it was honestly the first time that had ever happened with us where someone else really made something that we were like shit. We could just put this up it's done. So after that, we were like we would love to keep working with this guy, and whatever capacity, I like bringing on co directors even, especially on sketch type things meaning like modular things where there's a lot of not necessarily someone. Who's right next to you all the time. But somebody where you can delegate different whole things to same with on. I think you should leave. The Tim Robinson show. Like I brought on another director at a certain point because I was like, I just don't want to have to location scout every single set. And so why don't I hand off some of these somebody else, and then I can still be there as a producer who's the other director Alice Mattias. I just want to mispronounce her last night. Actually widened sit. I don't know if I was thinking. If she would wanna shout out, China ever even said said heard her last name out loud, listening into reading you fact, check me on that one and just over just overdubbed me for a second. If you need to what was it about Mike style? Did you think worked as sort of a more graphic version of the types of stuff that you guys do the less style than that? He just understands the comedy. So a lot of times as soon as you're bringing in anybody else, whether it sound mixers or anything, the stuff, always takes a left turn. And then you have to slowly get back to make sure your jokes are messed up, but he has good joke instincts. So he's really good at aftereffects and that style of stuff, but not in a way he's aware of win. The effects are starting to mess up the joke, and he corrected in his own brain, or his own computer before we have to look at it. Which is that's the thing. That's never happens. Also, though, I like a lot of the style choices in the special were being like I'd really love to do this kind of thing or. Like him and kief sorta got together and and conceptualized different tones for almost every song. And it turned into this thing that I think ended up being really cool. You're almost taking a little journey through the styles of rap videos over the last thirty years almost. Yeah, he's the one that really wanted to hype Williams style. Exactly. Oh, for focuses like we should do that sped up like Busta rhymes thing. And we were like oh yeah. That'd be super fun. And then you see and you're like fuck. This is so exciting. I remember that it looks really neat. He also just knows all the people in effect so that can do things, so on, like let's bash with scribbling feel like we've even had videos. We were like oh, it'd be so cool to scribble on top of this kind of did it with spell it out, even in some ways. And we it's just such a long journey for us to get it done. Because we're like all right now, who does that and kind of have to start from that question with no knowledge of who to get and he's like, oh, I know. Exact-. See, I got this one like he just he can actually get those thing. I know how to do that, though. Keep, oh, great. Do you wanna ask me how? Yeah. Okay. So you get the film reels. Put it over a light board, then you get out, you little white pencil, and you scribble you scratch of, oh, you did. Then you're gonna wanna put it on your Steen, Bak get out, you film splice. Cool NYU professor, I did go to film school, so that this was performed in your, your first live show in essentially, every interview ever did people have asked you about touring and I, so I imagine with your for show. There's a certain amount of nervousness, but as I eventually wrote in the review my review of the show, I was also sort of nervous. Good. Everybody's fantas-. I think there's some trappings of alive show that like represent a conundrum of the types of things you're trying to do in terms of like the different wrapping in frapp ING and comedy and music is for you guys philosophically. What did you feel like you needed to figure out? And then what do you think was your attempt to solve that a lot of it was kind of in your article because I because I haven't reread it from a year ago. But I remember you referenced like us talking about possibly touring, when we were talking about popstar two years earlier and then kind of where we had landed because you saw the show and then you kind of covered you kind of covered it in your. Yeah, that's about right? We weren't exactly sure how fake cool to pretend to be versus self deprecating and knowledge in that were frapp then crappy, and then we found a balance, I guess that we were actually very happy with at that show as well. Yeah. Doing doing live shows in the context of a comedy festival, or our own show, where people showing up, our people that are specifically into what we do helps us a lot decide those things because. First and foremost, it is a comedy show, which has been our MO from the jump, like, we're comedians that happen to us, music to tell jokes some, some of the time. And. Because of that. And because the odds are that most people coming have heard a lot of the songs we need to think of ways outside of just the songs to keep entertaining and funny, but at the same time. We're told often that people do kind of bump, the songs both earnestly and ironically, but the blind is blurry. And that's part of the fun of it. Same way that we're like obsessed with two nations de music or something. And I would listen to it in my spare time. So we understand the value of also just playing the songs people have told us that they like so that's that is what you're talking about. That's finding the balance between those two things, so we try and just mix it up. And make sure it doesn't turn into just one or the other. Do you think there's one thing, one decision or one thing in particularly helped the most for us, it was a lot of making sure that the stage didn't I mean, I don't want to shoot myself in the foot, and then have people be like he's wrong. They got it wrong. But, like we're always worried about being hunt. How hanging ourselves out to dry and being like we're just three dudes onstage yelling into microphones, like we definitely wanted to make sure we had something on the screens behind us. And maybe cutting a few songs off a little sooner than we would. Normally do it because we get bored of it or you know, stuff like that, where you just want to kind of keep people on their toes and keep it moving. It's a careful balance of us being very bored and wanting to cut everything down very small and being public and actually paid money and been looking forward to this. And like had to get a babysitter maybe or taking an Uber. Like they're gonna be annoyed if it's too short, but we're like, but who would want to see this more than forty five minutes? Type forty five minutes. I mean, the cluster fast show had to be an hour. And so that was that felt like the perfect length. But now we're doing our own. So we have to make it a little longer, and we're constantly being like felt good. Now's anyone like this though. It was a learning experience for sure. Doing those I like the warm up show and Custer fest, in that we very nicely learned that there were certain songs people were happy, just to hear, you know, and we were like, man, maybe we're gonna Bert this in some way. But there was some of them were we just we like had a contingency plan if out wrong but then we got out there and it was like, oh no, it just feels. Right. It's just like people to sing along to. Yeah. Surprise. Yeah. As you approach doing along show. How do you conceive of the idea building show? How do you look at the thing as an ninety minute thing? What is it ideal building show? I mean to be perfectly honest with you, we spent so much time getting the cluster show ready with all the screens with Mike diva and all the costume changes and choosing how do we choose the order of songs in a way that allows us to do the costume changes and is a nice variety, and isn't exhausting for for the crowd, and etc? Etc. That we were very happy with it. And when we got off stage we were like yeah. That was our show. We should be doing this for the next year. And now we have nothing booked. So it wasn't so much as trying to make a whole new ninety minutes because only only the people that read your article or were there. No. What we did that show. And so we're not reinventing it. We're adding some stuff. Yeah. We're adding updating exactly. We're not like we, we were very happy with that one. And we worked hard on it. We deserve to get to go. Do it for a while. So what I've read is that you did couple of the bash brothers songs at cluster fest than has happened after you're like you had to do more songs with these characters. Just like in, in your free time between projects. So like creators at your level. There's, there's gatekeepers, but like the biggest limit is time in terms of what you do or not do why is this, the thing that you decided to spend time on even if you didn't know then looking back on it. Why do you think this is the thing you sided to spend your free creative energy on? I think for me was twofold, the first one was we were having fun doing it. And it was an idea that had zero pressure on it, because we were fine if no one ever heard it or saw it, and the second one was all three of us were really busy. I was shooting Brooklyn. I nine Keita's working on Tim Robbins and show and a bunch of other stuff for our company, and your was living on the east coast, and working on miracle workers and last G and traveling with his wife. She was making her movie and their family and stuff. So we were really kind of scattered and this was a low stakes unofficial. La. Only island thing that we could kind of work on in between the cracks. Yeah. If we had tried to, like, write a screenplay for a new movie with just like Andy bean, like it's three pm I could come over for two hours before because I got off Brooklyn nine nine early like we would have nothing to show for the year or we'd have like an outline. Do you have a movie? Whereas music is so instantaneous, you can come in for a day. And at the end of the day, you can have pretty much a whole song, demo done and be like, well, we actually made something, it's kind of one of the only things and you don't need to like, remember like a screenplay. You'd have to be like. All right. Well, let me read, look through our notes and try to get my head back into what this thing is by the time you're kind of back in the flow of it. You're you have to go back to Brooklyn nine or somewhere like that. Whereas. Music you can just hop in, so whatever it was, you have these songs, and then you're one of you were talking to the comedy central guy at Netflix who apparently was also in Oakland as fan. And you agree to do something cheaply enough that there are no expectations, and you do a lot of stuff yourself like L. So fair warning walls writing question. I saw someone tweet and Adrian writ and Adrienne rich quote, which is but poems are like dreams in them, you put what you don't know, you know, I, I know you read the book but lease as you said, you wanna capture was like being kids and dreaming. What you imagine. Their life to be same thing, where you did some error appropriate wrapping except for when you didn't. What was the balance you're hoping for? And why? And moreover, you have these songs. Why was this? The thing you did with it, like why a visual poem. I mean for the last question was just. Yeah. We, we looked at ten songs, and went do we once again, just drop them on soundcloud, and see if anybody notices do we just put them up as an album on, you know, apple music, and all those places and see if anybody notices and then we were just kind of like the funniest thing the whole thing, the main joke of all of it is why did we make it? So then the more you make it the funnier the joke of wise kind of. So what's the most fancy highfaluting pedestal? We could put this thing that really shouldn't exist. Also, we kept coming back to the idea of the long form video, which is like had this huge resurgence, like, basically, everyone who writes about this correctly, comparing it to lemon aid, but since lemonade, there's been like fifteen other ones of these a lot of them kind of some flown under the radar summer bigger. But like even since we decided to do this one like five more came out. It just felt sort of, of the moment to do it that way. And as is our proclivity, we like dressing up our turds as fancy as possible always been. It's always kind of just been the joke. You'll sometimes describe your stuff is stupid or dumb. I've asked got this once and he had reference, you guys. But what is the difference between your dumb or stupid and this sort of dumb or stupid that associated with certain poorly extreme mainstream comedies associated with certain stars that I won't name for you? What is? How is this dumb or stupid different? I think we mainly mean silly when we're saying that, right. Not to me. There's the distinction always has been and. I'll bring it back to when I was a kid and a teenager, and I was obsessed with, like Sandler, Jim Carey stuff, and I would have friends or like my parents or people be like you have to watch this, and they'd be like, I don't know. It just seems stupid. And I would always say, yeah, but they know it's stupid. That's the difference. They're choosing to be stupid from a place of intelligence. And therefore that is making me happy because they're saying, we know what the world is. And in spite of that, we're going to spend our time on this as a Dulce. And it's the same thing we talk about like watching Stella those guys that we were also like they're the best we love them so much. And they would be in suits and ties doing the dumbest thing you could possibly think of choosing to use their, you know, adulthood for turning the world into a cartoon, essentially, and if you're the type of person who enjoys that which we are. And we hope that the people who, like are stuff are that it's like it's a comment it's a choice. It saying, like we want to make something to make people laugh and smile and feel happy watching it. I was struck sort of by the pacing. I've talked to SNL writers before and the nature of even with pre taste, because you have to play sketches in front of a live audience, you have to establish incredibly quick. What the thing is that it's happening. And even like hops are super fast super clear and also coming from the internet is so fast this is slower. They're still tons of jokes. But it's some songs have like here's a clear. Premise. We're gonna stab in the first ten seconds was that, like reading for you was it exciting to have a sort of different thing. What do you think it is sort of came out that style? I mean yeah. The longer it was the funnier. It was going to be on some level because each minute that keeps going on. And we haven't changed to a different sketch or a different idea. And it's still that idea. The joke is compounding. If you're tuned into that frequency, I guess, if somebody who just wanted some other joke they have to turn it off. But I mean, if it had been forty five minutes, would it be fifteen minutes funnier fit had been two hours? Would you be like what is wrong with these guys? Somewhere its existence is the joke. So and the thing were parroting of the once it became a visual thing. Those things are have a pace to them that you have to kind of live by if you're going to be accurate and those things as much as I love them, they're all little bit boring across the board. I've never seen one that is not boring at all. They're all trying. They all. Away. Delighted their own thoughtfulness. Yes. And they fall in love with their shots. They're all like the shots beautiful just let it go with, like a weird drone sound for a while. Is this something to Netflix? That sort of because it's so opt in. Do you don't have to keep in the same way? I'm trying to think of what about it is. You know, it's, it's at home, and it's a it's a different medium than what you've worked with. Yeah. Although they at at Netflix. Your metrics are definitely they want you to hold onto the eyeballs there that the pressure of that is not relieved at Netflix. They are tracking who turns it off and who watches to completion. Yeah. So it's just more that the whole concept is, so obviously, not a broad commercial concept that why tried to make it more commercial like then you're gonna make for nobody. This thing is made for people who want this. There were times when we were like shorten it. And even like Seth Meyers was like why anybody who's watching, what's the most of it, they can get anybody who doesn't want it? You're cutting three minutes here and there is not gonna make the difference to them. So make it for the people who are going to like it. It. I interview guys right before pops are came out and on the way out. I said something about how much loved the movie and there was a real vibe in the room and interview since. There was a vibe, and I'll describe the vibe interview since you've explained that by that time. You had a sense that it wasn't going to be less giant Hugh, got at that. We were like thanks. You'll be. You'll be. Yeah. You'd probably like just before talking to, you had been having a conversation internally of, like, have you noticed? There's no ads. They didn't use the poster we. And so now when you see the poster on taxicabs just says the word popstar, we would like being like it could say the word bubble gum. It could say the word shoe. It's literally just a thing. We don't know if it's a new American idol show that's going to be on FOX next year. Like literally? It said nothing just had the word pops are on the top of. Right. That could literally say street just picked it back a word out of the dictionary. You've done nothing to help sell this movie the process of that happening. Do you feel like afterwards? He accepted. We're going to create a specific thing. We're gonna make a thing for people with an incredibly specific van diagram of interest. Do you think there was a certain amount of like, well maybe the giant thing isn't for us right now? I don't know if it was like in reaction to that. No. I mean, certainly popstar had been a big hit then universally immediately the next day, it'd be like start writing something else. What your next movie? So in that way, we would have been working on a movie because they would have been demanding the opportunities and demand would have been there. So, yes. In the way of how it uses our free time. But I don't but we're not making a special calculation in that way. If we got really excited about a movie idea, I think we would have just done that it was just what we ended up doing because we're artists. As you mentioned that your lives in New York, and was working on stuff in New York, and also because the bash brothers are two people. Your miss less involved in this and other lonely island projects not to say the project is lacking, but is there a distinctly your, your Manian flavor that is missing that you can put a finger on? Is it a pit Mayes by the Joe Montana stuff? We definitely went out of our way to make sure he was a part of it because we didn't want it to be weird, obviously. And the three of us are still working together all the time, and we're going to see him as soon as over. Exactly. I don't know. I'm not sure what what his special spices, he adds that was not missing. It would be impossible to know unless he had been unless we could go back and do the one where he's in the room with us. They'll time the added, but certainly adding Joe Montana at the end. And you know he shines as Walt Weiss. Certainly. Yes. That's the beauty of it, though. Being like all right now, how are we gonna put your man, and then we thought of like a couple quick ways and they all kill and it's nice for you guys in general. Is it? At the example, I thought it was animal collective involves to them. It's an animal collective record. And if it doesn't, it's only solo it's banned, it's of or avatar for you guys, if it involves, like, okay, this is lonely island, and then this figure out that was kind of a rule at us and L for it was a digital short of two of us work. Yeah. If what of us broke out and just made something on their own. We didn't put us in digital short necessarily before it, but two of us did. But that's even I mean half the songs on our lonely island albums even some of them are just a lot of just because we were making the L a lot of them have, like just had sex. I'm not on it because I literally went to bed that night. And so I'm not on it. I'm on a boat. Obviously, your example your left town, but I will say, even in this, it's lonely island presents, and that's a specific choice to kinda separate it a little bit. That was also to manage expectations of people who want a new like normal lonely island record to go like this doesn't count in that way. This is a weird side idea. And also the fact that we are producing shows for other people. Now, kind of we were hoping goes hand in hand with that, like, in some of the promotions for Penn fifteen it would say lonely island, you know, stuff like that. Or you know in creatively, we had almost nothing to do with that. That's all them. But we help them produce it. So the fact that we are producing entity I think also helped I was gonna ask you more about the production company because you've had for bit. But you had to sort of really break things one with fifteen in one with I think you should leave. What do you hope it means for something to be produced by you guys? Like, what are you? Hope. Gets out into the world. Do hope, like when people see something about appetite. They have certain associations. What are you hoping sort of like you're saying is able to do as you're able to create more content without being directly involved? I can't I don't know what if we had any thesis statement going in or whatever, but I will say in hindsight on those two. Specifically they're both shows that follow exactly what we did. Even add SNL, which is making things that are not pitch -able, but, but turn out good like that was that was how all of our short set us Mel as I'm sure we've talked about with you specifically. And with other media plenty of times over like we wouldn't go to the table, we wouldn't put our things up for table reads because it was ex- execution based ideas that could sound great or terrible, depending how you wanna hear them? And same with fifteen that's kind of I mean, they tried to pitch it, and we can say literally, it's not a very pitiable show or maybe their pitch was great. But it was not a people do not. Here. The pitch well rights and. Gave them some money to make a presentation. Yeah. It was back when we had a little bit of a fund to fund things too. And so we just and then they came back with their presentation. And we were all like, oh fuck they're so good. And by the way, even with the presentation, a ten minute version of it, we still had a lot of difficulty getting it sold on the air, and we had to make it both shows also were made for extremely cheap like about half the price of what a show like that normally cost, what do you think about other stuff? You guys have what he is there a common thread. Do you think about just sort of things you have coming up or you hope? I mean, I've personally speaking, I always think the cool part of it is just helping people that have a really unique perspective, make something and for for us. I'm not saying we wouldn't do things like outside of this scope. But the reason we love what we do and getting to do it is we love comedy. And we love broadcom's. We live comedy. But the thing that generally has a harder time getting made especially right now is like comedy for the sake of comedy just like the place in the world where it's just for people who live, and breathe comedy and wanna laugh and want to get surprised by some weird thing. And then you have like a show like ten fifteen which elevates past that because they're actually really brilliantly weaving in social commentary and emotion and stuff like that, like breaks your heart. But the thing about that show that initially struck us was like holy shit. These guys are funny like this is a hard laughs fucking funny. Like physical, joke, writing it was all there in the presentation, they made. I wanna say good. Saying obviously Tim as well but then also like we produced Briggs Bayer for Kyle in those guys. And that is funny, but it was more just like, whoa, this is neat like what a cool specific movie that I've never seen before, and how cool would it be to help get that made? And then they obviously did a great job too. And I just wanna say for the record that if somebody had a really good idea for a multi Cam on CBS that would just like run. I don't know six seven six. Twenty two twenty two season. We're fine with that. Will we don't? We'll just be kind of bored by it. If you have a word. We'll be celebrating it and will cash those. Yes. That's why I preface it by saying would do stuff other otherwise as well. But yes at the time pops came out, I wrote a incredibly long article about you guys. Well, thank you. I love doing it. But if I wrote it as pulsar a culmination of a lot of stuff that you've been doing to that point, and so much combinations. They sort of feel like end of areas, even in the moment, they might not. But it did feel like you're doing less and pops are felt like a fully formed version of that. And this feels like the first step in whatever next is, and though, I'm not gonna make tons of things like this. But if this is the first indication of future of lonely island, what do you what do you hope for? And what do you think this suggests man, I'd like to say we'd thought about it that much asking to think about it? This is our life of Pablo kind of area. Going more. I don't know. I feel like for us. We always kinda just stick to one rule in its is this making us laugh right now. And that has been it from the jump, and anytime we've strayed from that we've regretted it. Yeah. So for all, I know we'll do another fully straightforward lonely island record. I think that could be super fun again. We might do another movie. That's for studio. If that comes up, and we have an idea, we're excited about it. It's really just what's making us feel inspired and excited. That day. Yeah. It's also the world is of media's changing so fast in terms of, what's like YouTube is not the same place as, as it was, when we used to make videos that we wanted to have on YouTube like the way the algorithm works is completely different now and the, the audience that's on. There is completely now. And you don't get sent funny videos. On YouTube almost ever anymore. It's just bloggers and the occasional like marvel movie trailer. And so that audience, isn't there in the same way and same with TV isn't the same as everybody knows. And there's been a thousand pieces about. And so when we make a collection of songs, like let's say we make an more like our first three records. I don't know where those videos are gonna live next time and that will influence how we bring it out as well. Oh, yeah. That sound means. It's time for the laughing around, it's like a light grab because it's comedy. It's a left-wing room. Lefting Ness, laughing around. Yeah. So I once interviewed Seth where we painstakingly went through the bracket depict, the favorite digital short. So in Tyne. What's the best? What is your favorite sketch? Seth wrote a man. He wrote one sketch. It's not my favorite thing ever. But I just remember thinking, like God. Seth is such a good head writer. He wrote a sketch. I want to say it was it was like in high school classroom. And I think they're picking the theme for prom, and what he did was he got, like ten cast members in it doing like three or four lines each of a failed character. They had tried at the table. So like ever. He kinda like cherry picked all the moments that worked about stuff. People had done that failed and made it into a sketch that really worked and played great. And I remember when he did that at the table, I remember thinking to myself, holy shit. Seth is really smart. And it it was both a win for the show. And also, like a personal win for everyone of those cast members to feel good about the character. They created leader. Yeah. Everyone came out being like man, I guess I can make it on as. It was. So it was so positive. Now I'm blanking on the name of it. But the prank show one with Christopher walk in, in that actually this season I believe, before we got the show, so we just want it gets called pranksters. It's like a right. Yeah. It's like a Nickelodeon style show. Christopher Walken is the host, and they called they call the victims of the pranks, stiffly stiffer sins. And it says it's like he's the host, and he kind of has probably bleached, you know, tips. What will happen time? Pranked Taya Ryan. See the look on his face classic. I don't understand what's not done standing stiffly differences. So I can do them whammy. Lanny? Wow, is you just been prank. Can we cut the sound effects Ted please also? I don't know that Seth wrote it. I just assume he did because he's the star of it. I can't miss the year before we got there. That's why I don't feel like he had to had to. We did this whole interview about this one song. Can we do a very short version of it just about this on karate guy? Oh, yeah. We've pleasure. Karate. We talk back to Kane. We talking about hanging with frames. And when we say, hanging, we don't mean us in the room, we mean Chilean sledded in hat cold. Achim be any Senator sixty eighty just has to be free and drinks lady. Good conversation. And don't forget the party. That's how you kick like karate. Tell me everything about it as reasonably quickly as you would like man. I have no recollection of wire how we came up with it. I know Andy at the time for some reason said the key. And felt so juvenile stupid. I was in a phase an annoying phase of socially saying, like that a lot. Yeah, I don't know. You could picture that, that's a normal face a lot of. Common phase. And then because of that I think, tried to shoehorn it into a song successfully once again, we had the freedom of that these three characters and in the past. So the song could really stink it up. And then that, that beat us. Oh, slow. And we for whatever reason started doing the verses in this, like, really annoying over explaining style, which I have to guess, Keita's idea. I don't know what was went on though. There's a lot of clarifications in karate. That's on a comedic level. I know exactly what's going on. Guys that are very worried that you're going to misunderstand, when they use slang and take literature. And so they're going to have to back every verse just starts with one line. That gets walked back the entire version, which tracks when you think about the chorus like it's laid back beat we like to kick it. Yeah. Yeah. Also, they like to kick it, but they don't mean kicking a N now hanging with friends, and when they say hanging, it doesn't use these rove aids chilling, but it doesn't have to be cold. It could be any temperature sixty eighty we're just saying the song now. Yeah, every verse just kind of does that point is it's six and it sucks favorites. Truly never even start. It's like watching a car crashes slow motion because it's it's moving at such a fucking snail's pace. It's kind of just two guys in that. You're pretty sure they've never even been to a party by them. And that they've never gotten to hang out with friends. They've never rolled in a card not rolled on the ground. I roll on the ground, you could use this on credit guy as torture. Like if you played that song over and over again, someone would lose their mind after about the fifth time, I think that's about right available for streaming. My goal is to one day, do an oral history of the Ford, Focus group sketch for my think you should leave. I don't know how much either you involved. But can you tell me everything remember? From every moment of it. I don't I mean, this is just can only be for my excerpts in the oral history. Everybody will come to it from a completely different perspective. Obviously everyone's going to bring something else. But basically. Rubin who plays the gentleman. The main star, the we just got his audition on tape like our casanovas brought him in. And so we were just going through auditions and, and Tim saw. And we're like I like not joking there. Like I think we've discovered a star, and then they played it for me. And I cried laughing addition tape is so funny that we also brought him into read other roles just to see if maybe we could use a lot and yeah. Basically, we watched that audition every day for, like, two weeks, just crying laughing about it because it's exactly what you see and the and then we brought him in, and we loved him. And it turns out he used to do kind of Hollywood stars style. It's hard to exactly describe, I think it was on Don Francisco show in Mexico and stuff, America, where like they would cut to him for a joke. It's some version of a peanut gallery, you know where it's not quite aside kick, like at McMahon. Style. But I've never seen it. So I'm only trying to repeat it as he explained it to me, basically, but where he would know one liner jokes. And so whenever they needed a joke. They would go to him. He would do it. They could either be bad jokes, everyone grown or actually good ones. I'm quite certain they were probably the kind of jokes that don't age. Well. But we being he was like a seasoned performer. It wasn't like an Craigslist Rando that we're bringing in he's a comedian. Who understood why it was funny, but he also does talk like that guy. It's not like that's not a put on in that way. Poll you love your mother. Actually do my God. He. Oh, what you. Oh, god. Shut up. I do the best. I diss maybe we should lay off Paul. That's what his wife said. And we loved him so much. We actually there's a longer cut somewhere in a hard drive of laser spines specialists on where they run into Connor O'Malley. And he's like, the exactly the that, that one came going longer and Reuben walks into another guy that's been hustled than he performs the song. So there's three guys in there. And he's so mad about something, I don't know how he find that now because it's just in the editing hard drives that have put in a closet, but we got a bus that hard-drive out kind of delete I should do that. Just put it on Instagram. The goal is I will say a name of a song that you guys done. And you think of the first line or verse or whatever that comes to your head and you being a another line or just like what? Memory. What pops Bremerton. Really whatever it's a word association to your the lonely island. Celts starting with lazy Sunday. No, I would say call us Aaron Burr from the we would drive in Hamilton's. Punch you in the genes, drastic five you got taste, and it shows my man cat damn you. Gene, brand got me throwing my hand. My favorite part as a fan of that's who's not on. It is just that it doesn't matter as long as you're in them. But then minutes later, it's they can be on the clothesline. It's not it's not clear directives. That's another. That's Pudge you in the genes is very. What do you call it untrustworthy narrator? Yeah. Two worlds collide ever since that game my mom was, but a new was destined for grade this boombox boombox from using lyrics so much just the melody choices Julian chose. That's why everytime. That's on comes on. It's what I remember just being like God he's so good at singing. I love listening, Zing Keith. I know. Boiled goose barman? Yeah, but I guess. Apartment diaper money. I think it's one of Andy's best versus. Thank you, for the nice lament. And I in turn, now really understand your verse about diaper money, because I have right right now that you understand your like my kid does need to shit. Yeah, yeah. That was coming from. Relentless bless her heart. We're, we're all so much happier when she does semi colon. Maybe I'll eat all you cats. Alf. I was really loved that one. I also love my stomach's getting fat food. The worst one it's the one that makes me laugh every time because the whole song stops for it. If it's going to be really good. It's treated as if it's real clever. One. Weirdo picture doing some right for? And I one that we did for the for the movie came in, and we were just like let's just try to think of some songs guy would do. Yep. That's why doesn't really have a place in the movie wasn't made for anything specific. Beata beatha was. I mean you do all the steps for making. So it's a useful song in addition to just. The second I not in the movie soundtrack. I mean someone could really make some pay from the song. I believe it's got at least they can at least go grocery shopping for this starts of a really basic bad tasting pay. I wish somebody would. Uniform on that was the fullest realization would we started on these my first concept on bash brothers was that every song should sound like eight? Licensed basically license license tales slash slash everything. Sir. Mix a lot and easy ease. I record that kind of stuff where it just all like cherry, picking the sounds from eighty eight eighty nine that we love the most that we feel like still sound cool. And then after we did like two songs like that, so uniform on, was one of them where we were really proud of ood are once again, drew Campbell, we were like he really got the ADA, eight sounds just right. Like this sounds like we're doing it. And then we were like cool, but then we did it on that one. We don't need to make eight more of that. But that was the first one I love. I'm not a hamburger but the Komi Big Mac, just the reason that I specifically like it is because it sounds like what the line in eighty eight actually would have been. But it also sounds cool to me. But definitely definitely, like, oh, if, if they did this eighty eight that would have been your first line of your verse if that is due propulsion, awful. That would be a leering, and yes. Yes. Just what it sounded like more like outta ham burger. No, you're not a ever. Call me big. Oakland nights. The roundtable, I guess the greatest effort is yet is physical fitness makes me laugh. These guys really believe that. And they might be right. Daddy. This is really going down memory lane of something from one week ago. I know it's probably not what most people outside of me and Akiba would be excited about. But I, I was really we had so much fun doing the like berry end part where it gets all like Khan, yob Bonnie bearish with, like, the sort of layers of auto tune the vocals, and we actually did some harmony stuff, which, you know, no one cares about even like played all the songs for my wife. And she was like, yeah, it was fine. And I was like, we, we made real music. And she's like I know but everyone can do that in music. I like you. You're funny. People that we have, like even the producers that I've mentioned are in the room with us or doing anything. But those are just people when the song is essentially almost exactly what you here, we give it back to them. And go now mix this sound a little more pro. They're just like getting the frequencies, right? It's just me and Eddie in the room. So that's why we'd be so proud when we get designed like that because there's we're not getting help. Yeah. Like we made it sound like singing and not attuned, keeps learn how to use of tune by himself. Exactly. No one cares. They just expected to last question. So do you have anything that you've tried in either an L or different passes, one of you or all of you thought was really, really funny, but you can never get anyone except for the three of you to laugh at go to your grave being like this is funny feel like your m- would definitely have some of these like from L times, like that aired doesn't have to air could have maybe went to table or dress will mine. Mine was wanna come with. But then Seth. Let me do it on second chance theatre, and it was fine. Do you ever get to do Beetlejuice? I did one line of Beetlejuice in my monologue when I hosted. Trotted out every failed impression I ever did. I tried to do beetle juice on L. But Mullany and Seth love ripping on me for this, because I did it sort of embedded in a meet the press sketch like. Was like very intentionally like a fuck you to the whole thing. But it was like everyone was doing political stuff. It was like very political year. I'm sure when I did it and I never did political stuff. So that was kind of the joke that it was basically, like the host of meet the press was out sick and it was now being hosted by Beetlejuice. But it was also the league that was like twenty years old. That had no. Nothing new it happened. And it was Alec Baldwin was hosting and he was in Beetlejuice, but it didn't acknowledge that and I remember being told afterwards he was like I don't understand that. Because I wasn't Beal what was the point of that? Whereas the point was that it was funny that there was no point. But obviously we learned that lesson over and over again that doesn't really fly S and L very often. It was. I thought it was good. Thanks keefe. I will support you know, matter what, thanks, what give it give give the audience a little taste of this Beetlejuice. I don't remember in context. I mean, in kind of meet the press was still just doing Beatles us from the movie. So it'd be like. Eight San worms. I can't Santa myself a lot. A lot of like almost a lot of him being like, yeah, yeah. Just a lot of people being like you know. Like talking about legislation and stuff. And then I'd be like. But from you do that I got to get married. Stuff like that. Voices in wormed app. It's early. But point being it's a bad impression. And it made no sense. It was very good. I didn't bring it up. Key brought it up. Now. I feel humiliated it should aired. They should have had more energy. All right. That's it. All right. Great. That's it for another episode of good. One wants the lonely island presents the unauthorized bash brothers experience on Netflix. 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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisels Catskills Set

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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisels Catskills Set

"This is a head gum podcast and hello and welcome to good one. Hey podcast about jokes. I'm your host vulture senior editor jesse david fox usually on this show not always but usually you know what usually meant anyway. I have a stand up comedian. Come on to play one of their jobs and we talk about but everything that went into writing it. That's kind of like what's going to happen on this episode also kind of not like that because the comedian we're focusing on the marvelous. Mrs mazel a free free willing stand up from the late nineteen. Fifties never existed. She's a character on the t._v. Show played by rachel brosnahan. She's the creation of amy sherman palladino and daniel palladino you may also from the shows gilmore girls and pundits so yes. This is angie about the writing and performing and shooting of standard routine but just the comedian is fake considering net. You'll probably need a bit more context for what you're about to hear just in case you don't want to show already the marvelous. Mrs maes which has completed two seasons on prime video is based on amy hearing the stories of her father's time doing stand in new york in the nineteen fifties and sixties and while the show tries to be fairly accurate to the time usually get a sense of amy paulson wants to capture the wonder she felt felt when she first hearing stories about this as a kid so this is what the show's about at the start. It's the late nineteen. Fifties midge mazel a jewish housewife living on the upper west side of manhattan. Adam decides to dedicate herself to becoming a stand up comedian after husband. Joe leads her throughout the first season. She gets better and better at santa working with their manager. Susie played by how ornstein in the second season you start seeing that really committing herself to this life means sacrificing so much of the lecture once had and held dear yes there are echoes to the american jews relationship as simulation relation that is intentional especially in the senior about to here in which mitch slaps on her nicest borscht belt and performs a late night set at a catskills resort not only performing the first time in a place that for many years was the center of jewish comedy but the late night show aka the dirty show not only that what you won't hear but you'll definitely feel feel is mrs maizels caught by surprise when she sees her father in the audience at this point in the show. She's not told anyone she's performing. Stand up especially not a father who's played with much gravitas by the one and only tony shalhoub again i remind you it's the journey show and it goes exactly as well as you expect so without further they do here is the marvelous as well and after that the individuals behind her amy sherman palladino and daniel palladino now. That's a much bigger room and you're used to feel completely different. Wait was longer for the last to reach you and they'll be proportionately quiet because of this stasis place wasn't that much bigger so such olympic mainly eisenhower eisenhower this place that's huge. That's her with their makeup on yeah. She looks even less funny now. You know what she's just going to be instead of. Look funny okay. He's not funny are not apparently no pressure me okay. What were we lasted forever to reach me. Yes they will so. It might be tough to gauge how it's going. Hold a little long for the last and and look at if we can see in the audience if they're smiling. You're doing good. Put mamie eisenhower would do in this situation. Big room is just what people to fall in love visit ways gentlemen open concord hotel is pleased to welcome to the stage mrs very the catskills and starving can get a decent meal around here food twenty four hours a day food the catskill season beginning windsor with big coats allston scarfs. What kind of state is feed you ten meals date until you put on a fucking bikini and go find a husband reasons. We stand a chance because the men are too full to run brought all my steep and hear about and dream about is food giant portions of food and it's midnight show uh-huh was talking about blow jobs and big tits after six weeks up here ted start to look like a couple of gross singers baked alaska i but really i have great affection for the mountains with families since i was born. It is the best place place to hide your first nervous. Breakdown automatically comes spending months at a captain with your family every year since you were born. My first thing happened in the catskills in everything my mother. I told me to keep my knees closed until there's a ring on my finger in the catskills. Actually she told me it was biologically impossible to have sex without older ring on your finger and guess what mom half the first boy i ever kissed. I kissed in the catskills. First first time i ever let a boy go christopher columbus on my nether region skill and this boy he was my papa doc. I began skilled. Things things happen in catskills. All kinds of things happen games games games and and when people come up here with kids they want things for the kids to play so adults. Can oh be adults. They don't know what's going on with the kids behind their backs. I mean they furthermore eaten by a lion eats people in upstate new york but otherwise aw secrets secrets kids have secrets mothers and daughters and daughters and fathers. It's weird with daughters and father isn't it isn't it weird weird fucking up your mind because fathers who they don't want to doing using it would be terrifying to know who they are and what they do because they don't really know any of this sometimes they can just walk in unexpectedly and suddenly it's like. Hey your horse. Not i'm definitely not a war. I do not charge presents. That's i mean it's free guide. I want to be free. My husband boyfriend one girl in college. Decent ticket touts sinatra concerts. Even my mother would give it up for us in knoxville tennessee. My mother wouldn't give up for anything to anyone anyone well. My father should get to him. I mean not that. She told me she'd give it up to him. I'm assuming well. I'm here so somebody gave up something to somebody. Aw daughters have sex sons. Have sex babies come from sex. I have got to stop saying we're six. I actually have never sent sex this much before. I don't think i've ever said the word sex in front of my father because my father looks like what you think a columbia professor with like lots of brown tweeden clad adding a scowl the intellectual superiority because he's intellectually superior. He's very smart. My mother told me that she pictured having sex with his mind on their wedding nice so she didn't have to think about his penis could refer them back to food. Shelly thank so. We're here with the the writers behind the joke. You just heard amy sherman palladino and dan palladino. Thank you so much for being here. You're very well so so i have plenty of writers on the show but the majority of the episodes have been about st have been with standups so before we talk about how y'all right the standup. I thought it might be interesting to talk about how mrs maysville wrote it like if she was a person what her process would have been. I seen like this so oh four something like this was going into this late night set would she have planned anything which john anything down why yeah at the beginning of the set absolutely because she i thought she knows the catskills she knows the audience. She's been there every year with them. These are her people so she. She knows they want to talk about food. She knows you can throw a couple of swear words in there. As long as it's about food and you can talk about your tits as long as it's your tits are food comes back to the food so that she sort of new but you know when when when we conceived of midge at the very beginning <hes> the idea that she was somebody who is going to go on with a plan and then whatever happens either onstage or five minutes before she walks onstage is actually what she wind talking about is sort of how sort of stuck with us and this is like the classic example of she had. She had her plan. She went out there. She was doing well home. She was getting her labs and suddenly she was completely thrown for a loop and then it's just her mind working in her mouth is hostage to what her brain is doing when she is his riffing and when she's improvising i've talked to variety comedians and there are two different types of people is she hyper president like hyper aware of everything that's happening like she's neo and like she sees he's an entire matrix or see the opposite where she's sort of like completely out of her body sort of flow state of like everything is happening through her. I think she is she's experiencing what she saying a hot second after she said it now it's really like it's an instinctual thing for her and she he is a spell again especially this particular piece because it's so much about you know everything that her family didn't know everything that our father is finding out everything that her father is thinking all she's going through is. What is he thinking. He's thinking this and then he's going to do this. He's gonna look like that and the oh god. I said that i said that out loud. I heard her say that so he's expecting so it's a whole sort of thing that's happening to her. <hes> that way. She's just she's just from the very nature of the way she started in the pilot which was just being hurt angry upset and extremely drunk on on manischewitz. She gets up on stage and just talks about hurt. It's just the way hurt. Manifests s. itself comes out in joke form so is is that it you know i say like different. Comedians have different sense describes. It almost like spidey sense of like this material carolers material here in some way like oh. This makes me angrier. This makes me uncomfortable. Is it of this hurts me in some way and is that when she was like oh there must be something there. I think when she's he's sitting down calmly to think about what she's doing. She can sort of judge that i think when she's in the moment her emotions are just taking <music> over and she's you. It's going to be her. Why people love her and what's going to get her into extreme trouble because she's going to go into situations that she has a plan and it's a safe plan in a good plan and quite frankly if she stuck to that plan things will probably turn out okay and then it's going to take a left turn and by the end of it. She's up ended her entire life career. Nobody's speaking to her anymore but i still think at the end of the day she'll go back and think oh god god i'm so oh my god my father my this my that but i killed all gonna come back to but it worked and i got my laughs because says she has a very strong competitive ambitious streak in her and really at the end of the day. What matters is did she get the laugh or not. There's sort of an inherent inherent selfishness to stand up brutality in in an inherent narcissism. You're you're saying the you know which they share with politicians and other other people like that whether whether their their skill is that they're assuming everyone is going to be interested in what they're about to say which is not the way most of us go through most of us are rethinking things and editing ourselves and the comic has to do the exact opposite that so we play into that when you saw her i stand up which was actually the toast that she gave her wedding and the pilot that was her first unofficial stand up and you saw that it was a woman who who is used to taking centre-stage thinks that she's the best person to take center stage yeah she we had the she had the makings of a comic she just didn't it just never occurred to her to become one so establish early on in the show that she's at least seen gene mort saul live. She seen lenny bruce perform so she's sort of updates. What's what's happening comedy. I imagine also you guys did research to sort of curtly certainly placer where it's like. Okay it's ninety eight so mort saul lenny bruce shelley shelly berman's happening. We'll also jean carole and phil steelers sort of happening but also very close close on the other side of the decade. You're going to get your joan rivers and bill cosby and woody allen george carlin bush and so then that's on the horizon and then imagine import sort of like don't care about the specific details <hes> because unlike in the pilot joel steals a joke from bob newhart act in nineteen fifty-eight but bob newhart. I don't think comedy until nineteen fifty-nine well. It was from his album yeah and he didn't really do. He was mostly like a radio guy. Did this album album and then he yeah but imagine you're at some point. You're like okay these type of people but also herself very contemporary was thinking about you. You both wrote for roseanne. You wrote for sindbad's t._v. Show she reminds me a lot. I mean cruiser my office former yeah. I think words he wrote for sinbad is basically you've challenged him to a duel just so you know where we are but she still alex in bits but improvises vises on stage as well yes yeah she notes janine garoppolo kathy griffin when i watch it in-in instantly i was like oh you're a lot like jen kirkman who before she s s. gentle the story people be like oh. You're like this character before she was even working on this show yeah and i imagine also this person that is santa comedian that you guys could right. She has the strength of your writing and i imagine avoids the weaknesses whatever they may be of your writing so no weaknesses literally no week so for them and we we convenience in short why mrs maes all the comedian that she is both for her and for <hes> for y'all well in in looking for n. again you know sh she's basically based on my father and i made him a very attractive young twenty twenty eight year old woman so you're welcome dad but knowing that we were going to probably wind up casting a an actress not someone who's done stand up now. Stand up is a very specific skill set and a very specific medium and it's it's very different. We figured out that for an actress to be able to find her way into the comedy and not feel like not have the audience going like oh. She's not really a contract. She's adorable but no she would have to be a storyteller. Tell her she would have to be an emotional storyteller. She would have to be somebody who is telling you kind of what's going on with her at that moment and that dictated kind and everything that we do about midges comedy and when we right mitch is comedy she it has to be story based in some form. It's it's can't she rarely comes out and goes who ate a grilled cheese today. You know doughnuts. Why are they round. A square. Doughnut would be just as delicious like she's gotta talk. Talk about going in. I can do so much on square. Donuts your observation. She's got to do something about about about what's going on in her life. In the moment and that i think is that enabled rachel who is not a comic. I in fact not only is coming. She barely done any com- comedy she was a dramatic actress and wonderful dramatic actress but it the story allows her to find the trajectory through a standard apiece and i think that dictated more than anything else. The kind of stand up that mitch has to be because to pull it off every week and to make people feel like every awake. I come from what you did show every week. It's not like that apparently it's eight hours and no one goes to the bathroom and then it's over joel next year but she needed to convince the audience audience that she is not only somebody who legitimately could be a great but as she gets better and better and more confident they are buying it and they are totally totally on the journey with her otherwise. We're an abject failure. Did you think of both of the time comedians comedians that you could pull from one. You're just sort of thinking about it. Well we thought about the timing only because as you mention with lenny bruce and mort saul like the comedy was changing a little bit from take my wife please to. Let's talk about politics talk about sexuality. Let's talk about men and women relationships. Let's talk about society and we wanted her to be plunked down in that moment where conversations were changing because her whole existence is about. I was queen of the upper west side. My whole life is changing so it just felt like time time wise. It was the right place to put her and then a lot of other stuff came. You know some some of it's a lucky accident and <hes> lenny bruce was very specific pick because he embodied the kind of comedy that i think midge in her own way way would admire would listen to would would be drawn to and there's a great story about lenny bruce where he went to see joan rivers johnson. She bombed armed and he sent her back a note that said you're right. They're wrong and that story was like in a time where i mean forget about what women comics go through today but back then women comics really not only had to struggle but had to figure out how to cloak femininity so that anybody would listen to them and laugh at them you know that a man dan a smart man for all of his <hes> shortcomings and troubles later on could look at a woman like joan rivers and say you have it it keep going. That's like a big deal so it felt like that's a great sort of mused sort of throw into the mix as you mentioned the standup inherently has come from the story corey so as we talk about this set going all all the way back while you're plotting the season. What made you think okay episode of five as a middle midpoint. Season is gonna be a certain turning point where she's doing this set and her father will see her perform. How sort of the ark of the season around that point come together. Well i mean we knew that you know she had she had been hiding this for obviously for the whole first season from everybody in her life except jewel and susie and then was still oh hiding it and that had to come to an end and so we we had long figured we'd talked about who's the best person to find out first. What's the best this way for. The best way to find out is if someone close to her like her dad is sitting in the audience so we when we constructed the catskills episodes we knew all along that she was going to grab some gig via susie and her plunder skills and that he the and that we would construct as best as we could because it was kind of a stretch to get tony shillue to be sitting in that audience so we always knew that that he was going to be the first one from there. We knew that she was going to have to tell everybody and he was the best person because this it we've all your. She was very very close to her mother. <hes> she's always lived in the same building as a as their parents. They're actually a really really ridiculously close family family but she and a midget abe always had a little bit of of just coldness between them justin yeah it was a it was not an atypical family where the sun was closer to the father and the daughter was closer to the mother so if felt very natural that as she shifts chiefs and finds a voice the friction was going to build between her and her mother and she would possibly be drawn more to her father a man that she's didn't know as well and who is more of a thinker you know and now she's becoming a thinker her so it it just felt it felt like the right sort of shift and also when we talked about the catskills in general there were so many things that we want to do but the catskills as as has a trio the three episodes were representing a a real sort of like by the end of the catskills abe knows knows what she's doing. She's met a new man. Her and you'll have officially said to each other. We're going our separate. Ways like a lot happens. In these three episodes. Amidst the simon says the tomato juice and the initial dance and the ron romper. I mean really the only reason we did it is to put tony shalhoub and romper. There was really no other reason to go but it was really about. How did these three episodes then. Everybody comes back from the catskills changed changed in different and in the catskills itself will never be the same for this family and that was it was a ritual for them. It was something they look forward to and they loved and they did and now they're all gonna leave the catskills in the catskills. Just kinda feel a little different and it was also time wise the beginning of the decline of the catskill so it's just it's all sort of wrapped up together in a in a tomato juice bowl so when actually writing the standup parts sorta. How do you go about breaking down set just from like okay. Maybe it's index card on some outlined to then do break in the room and then how does this sort of scripting of something like this john major's or entities well midges differently primarily differently midges always like amy said before always comes out of the <music> situation that she's in <hes> for instance in the the first sophie lennon episode she was supposed to that was classically. She was supposed to do her tight. Hi ten. We'd seen her working on it. In the beginning of the show she was becoming a normal stand up comic but that sit down had with sophie just stuck in her craw and she could not let herself not talk about sophie lenin and who she is and what that means for her and her profession and on of course you did it right in front of the guy who was sophie's who yeah who would who who who could have given her. I really really really big break so so that situation came out of one sheet once she pivoted from her tight ten onto sophie lennon then that stuff is even easier for us to write because it it's it's story and it's passion and we know exactly what she's feeling so same thing with the winch when she got stone with the jazz musicians and then she said let me talk. Let me talk so sort of this hyper sort of being high for the first time kind of drove around the stage and then she pivoted to she had her doctor spock baby in her in her in her in her purse and then she just wanted to ask the ladies in the audience who knows this book who is following this book. Am i supposed has to be a mother so all that stuff really just it comes out in the story breaking process. We know it we go okay. What's our standard. We we know what her status yeah. There's no separate process for the stanford is not standalone. It's part of the script you know. I sit in my room. I write a script. He's at an israeli writes a script. It's really really the other stand ups like when we have her. Go to a club and there's a bunch of guys stand ups or you know. We never right lenny bruce sand up. It's always lenny bruce because talk because we're not for sake anyhow but that's when a lot of times we can go to the group and we would say we want this kind of comic in you know a guy that talks about his wife or this guy who doesn't prussians or something like that and and that's where we have all these great great stand ups who are still working comic so we grabbed them when they're in town and they come in and they it's tricky. Actually those are trickier because as you know we can write midget stuff because we are just in her head but writing these other pieces and also keeping them period period correct so you can't talk about certain things in the way that you could talk about them now. It's it's a it's a tricky thing and so we we get. We get a little help so you've talked about. Don't write in the same room together. You're not a writing duo. That's why we're still married. So how does it actually then work to someone right and then they pass it lakers better at generating him someone better at editing no we we built this yeah. We both do the same thing so we just we break the stories together with the room and then we go off and we ride them and we polish them and then we you know all show them to him and he'll say you have too many fox and now you've got to take out and i will say talk to david and and he will say i don not talking to you i'm talking to you and you should take twelve hour. I will say i'll take three. He'll say take six out and i'll say four. It's my last offer firm. We end up at five and then vice versa like it's you know he'll show me his script and all give him whatever thoughts that i have but it's you know we were never or a team so what we do really well together. We really understand these characters in the story and we have a big shorthand in the room so we can go in there and we can break these stories and sometimes sentences aren't finished and other writers looking at us like i don't are. Is there a subject here. You seem to know talking about and no one else seems do we've just done it so long with each other that that's a very efficient way of breaking stories judging break ate them in the room in in a lot of a lot of detail so there's nothing left the imagination and the dialogue is sort of like the icing on the cake the story he is always has always been the most important part for us. That's why i'm giving girls. It was always like the dialogue dialogue and we were. We were always feeling like and saying to people. It's actually the story breaking process for us. We spend either way way more hours delving into the details and the fine refining that you do to get a story so that you're hiding the seem so that people because the audience is always right and if they feel like the first half was not as good as the second half the there right so we just really try to solve every problem in hyde every seem in the story breaking process and then we go off and write them and and our scripture answer very dense. They're very long because of the peso we don't love the idea of you put script out your table rated and then you're sending copious pages which is down to set every day. I feel like that is <hes> inefficient and a little disrespectful for the amount of material are actors have to learn and process and ingest adjust. We feel like our job as writers and storytellers is to argue about every hole every point everything that could possibly possibly come up before we hand rachel a script and say here now go learn eighty pages because we feel like once we handed handed off two sets and costumes and everybody that they need to just be able to go do their jobs and and because of that i know some some shows work differently like they go down and then they okay and then every day sometimes there'll be a scene or this or that and that is just it's just not our style and i think it wouldn't work well with scripts as large as our scripts scripts are do you remember writing either writing the joke that's like she imagined having sexist mind social after imagining that can have by having sex with his penis that was me penises is like a fifty fifty sixty forty shots even more dirtier. It's probably going to be me weirdly getting it all out. I'm getting it all out yet again. It was a very organic. I i write like a mental patient. I have literally no business being in this business. I can't spell or do grammar to save my life. I did not go to college. I thought it was going to be a dancer. I'm completely. Ill equipped for this so when i right it's sort of a furious <hes> <hes> believe media binge of messy yeah. It's just you just don't want to be anywhere near and dan. I take out half of the ridiculousness and then i condense it down but it's and so that literally the mind penis thing just it was just part of the i'm picturing her staring. He's staring at her. It just sort of was the worst thing she could say dirty parts of her even her her. I said why was that keep her character. You know i think all of this sort of family to have will have a certain amount of lakes <hes> proudly sadly sexual in ways and and specially. This is an appeared piece wise import to have a character that was like that as well. I mean she's she. She's he's a forward thinking by nature person and the presence of lenny bruce was there to sort of be the signposts signposts for the audience to say this is a contemporary for her. It's not milton berle. It's not bob hope it's not these guys have writers right for them and then they just spout jokes. It's it's not sophie. Lennon lenny bruce was i haven't met a comic that has not been a fan lenny bruce and that's because he he he he's. He's the godfather of everyone out there. Sarah silverman everyone who has any sort of edge any sort of like he he kind kind of inherently created that and then had to who and then had to sort of die for other people's sins i e kind of sacrifice himself and got lost did it and he was a truth teller and and we want to match. We want to be a truth teller. I mean she's not. She's not a shock jock. She's as somebody who is of her time in when you're talking about well what would a woman really talk about. What are the things that she's feeling chief. You're you're supposed to be in a certain box. You're supposed to look a certain way. You're supposed to talk a certain way. You're supposed to conduct yourself in a certain way. Men can have sex women. Can't you know it's like there was a lot a lot of things going on there that were coming up in her in her brain and part of the shocking things that she did in the pilot for her and her time name was to show that when she was in the zone there was sort of an ambitious brutality to her and she had the cut-throat feel and an instinct that it would take to go there. I mean you can't really do anything about it. It's not that every comic is dirty and that's not true of course. There's very clean comics. I mean mean ellen. Degeneres was one of the richest people in entire world and she was never a dirty. She did a whole thing about a goldfish in a bowl and it was like it was very funny. Goldfish fuck anybody was just goldfish bowl was adorable but it did when it grew up great dirty angry drug-addicted goldfish but it but but the world itself is rough world. It's a world of nighttime of darkness. Your shadows all the time. You're sleeping during the day your existence as night. There's a lot of drinking. A lot of smoking is a lot of going going on. It's like it's what it is and to to do a show with a woman and then pull back from that just felt like it would be kind of a cheap because i think part heart of what the appeal of it is is for her to this freedom of being able to talk about whatever is on her mind and how people listen to her. How do you approach shooting stand up. It's a thing that i think even people who are currently shooting stand up. Specials are still trying to figure out what you can do. What was what is your philosophy in terms of how close and how far away and all those sort of thing because it is complicated to feel live to feel their yeah. Yeah i mean we when we approach it from a variety of ways. I mean i can tell you off up. First thing that came to mind is that there are certain parts of her stand up that we tell tell rachel this. We don't want to cut away from this like once. You start this rant. I want to get this in one shot and she's always a gamer for that. Because i think for like seeing a live comedy special there's always a lot of weird cuts and edits because they're cutting between different shows and they suddenly go to a wide shot because they're jumping from one job to the next joe. What we get to do is like we're crafting. Were crafting adding it in a in a in a very very specific fictional way so we tend to get a lot of angles. We tend to bring in a third camera. We we always have to cameras. We tend to bring in a third camera on her stand-up days. So we get a lot of shots from different angles that we yeah we always get kind of the same shots shots and then we'll throw in a special shot or two. If we know we're gonna use it <hes> in editing so something like so something like i talked about before where we know it's gonna. This is going to be one angle. Maybe we want it to be a steady calm down the audience as sort of creeping very slowly in on her because we we know she's emphasizing the point that we want her to emphasize in this standup so we approach them all. There's sort of a basic thing that we do and then we do a lotta customizing depending on what the on what the point of view and what the exact standards she performed the set through absolutely always you know we also we tend to we never go close because i don't think comedy works good close. I think it's crazy. I don't know why i don't need to stay up your nostril. When you're trying to be funny comedies in your body it's about motion and movement midges of stalker. She takes that thing she moves. You know if i cut it off and i did hear it would just be insane so so we never go close and we do always do a steady cam pass because we kind of live device steady cam because it's it is immediate and it is movement and it is human and it is alive and a lot of times you do these great three cameras and it's beautiful and you get the spoke the shafts and this and that but it's not alive steady steady cam is alive so you're with her and you feel it. We did a scene with lenny bruce recently that has been on yet but the whole point of it was to hit at a certain point so the whole shot was crafted to sort of be with him and feel with him until you hit a certain point so we actually really are stand as we want. The benefits of writing is when you write it. You can figure out how you want shot as you're doing it so it's not like a big discussion. When you go down there we literally put it in that stage direction and then you go here and this will be this and we will be and we save certain things like behind her shot. We don't over use it. We use is it. A star shot. No matter what you do when you do the you know the behind shot lennon shot the foster shot you gotta you gotta be telling the people she's a star. You can't just use it to use it. It doesn't mean anything so we think a lot about camera in terms of what does it mean. Don't just use it because it's pretty we're not big believers that we think people should be in the moment and not be going but that's a great shot so pretty. It's like we want them to be listening to her <hes> and sort of leaning into her so <hes> and she's also gotten very addicted to the audience we had an audience for her and we have the laugh and we respond and react and she feeds off of that like rachel really feeds off of that like a real comic would feed on that and then when you try and go in and say hey honey. Can we do one without the last. She's like no do you want to do. You want my career. We can do that. That would be great. I can just i can go apply for a job somewhere else. That's what i can do or you gotta. They give me the mouse you gotta. Give me my energy. You gotta give my audience and so she tends to win those battles speaking of the audience. There's something that happens. In this scene. That happens in a lot of the saints will be certain certain jokes that you'll do an audience cut away and women are laughing. More than men are as a person watches. A lot of standup is something at clock and why well women are going to be her audience. That's just the bottom line she. She's doing her act for everybody but she's really doing it for women she saying i'm here talking gene saying things that you can't say you know that you can go home that later on and look at your husband and kind of go yeah yeah. You're doing that weird thing that she was talking in about an. I can't tell you but you heard it. You heard that we noticed that you do that weird thing and i think that that's kind of one of the wonderful things that she's not afraid to say. Hey we're this is broad. Let's do it. Let's talk about <hes> so we actually make a very conscious choice that it's very important that women are the ones responding to her because it's unrealistic to say oh men are just going to raise this woman in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. It's not going to happen but the women men could because there's no one speaking you you you. You talk about a bunch of that. It remind me of that. There's clearly like oh. There's an idea and comedy comedy that has existed that maybe now is kind of being confronted that there's not an universal funny funny is funny and if you're funny and usually meant saying it because everywhere they went everyone laughed at them and they didn't and this show sort of is confronting that and by pointing to like other people who might like this more in that that is fine. Was that important to you to sort of. Get that that you're like. This comedy is not one thing and she is specific artists. It kind of goes back to what i was saying before the the comedy the comedy is that is that the audience has to be interested in what you have to say so that takes a specific kind a person and then the second thing. Is you have to find a way to say things that make them laugh and then there's there's like a million only in ways to make people laugh and it's kind of it's kind of a mystery how a lot of people do it. It's kind of obvious how some people do it but it's not easy how how they do it. It's a really fascinating world when you when you start when you start delving into a because you'd have someone with like a natural of slower slower pace like bob newhart and then you've got much faster pace comedians and you can find both funny but they're both so completely different. There are different kinds live comedy and you are gonna respond to a certain comic because they speak to something in you and that is not a bad thing. It's just a thick and and in this era they're just not that many people speaking to women at all so it's just a natural thing that the women are gonna gonna lean in a little more and at the men even if she was saying something that would make the men laugh. It's going to be harder for them to accept it from her. At that moment comet some men. Can we have her down in the village allot because the village had a little bit more of an open sort of it was it was more integrated and it was more artsy artsy and there were little more freethinking in political down there but you know she does a club on in midtown. You know the men are going to be like you know hey honey. Let's let's let's see sits and she's going to go on stage and say why do i have to listen to this. Schmuck show me your tits. Why do i have to do that and women are going to lean in and go yeah. I know because i'm so tired of hearing that i'd walk into the street. I wasn't the market yesterday. I'm like really. I'm in the produce section so it's like that sort of feel is it's any comic or anybody wanna. Do they wanna find a road that makes them special. That people who maybe no one is speaking to as much and it's like i'll take those people. Why not you know i wanna be listened to. You've talked about a lot of this was inspired by your dad. Tell stories of this era de mentioned female comedians comedians. Did you remember feeling you wish there more female comedians he would talk about or you could talk about it. I don't think drives strides reflecting. I think he may he he would. He lives in a man's world for sure and he didn't amy's mom is a dancer and a performer so he married a dancer. I don't think he would have married a female comedians. Oh god no matter what she looked. Uh-huh so is it this way the shows a bit corrective of like pay back. You know he's sitting sitting sitting home now. It's really not. I mean actually the wehrley. It's no mosh my father who was a very complicated man and a very a very funny man and our relationship hip was very weird at the end <hes>. I was an only child so we were like one of those crazy like it's just the three of us cult like just the three of us. No one can to answer the door just the three of us. We're just gonna sit here and stare at each other because it's just the three of us and then like i was like you know thirty before i said did not do. We have relatives. Is there anyone outside of this weird cultivars but but <hes> if anything it's really sort of a tip of the hat in oh my gosh to the fact that he's spun tales of greenwich village and and and the catskills pouring in and and watching how he and his friends made each other laugh and they were really funny and my dad gave me the two thousand housing year old man albums and that was it that's been my bible versus the rest of my life so there's no payback here mom. There's no way back mom. This is fine. It's all good. Don't make a phone call. It's just it is. I don't think that i thought a lot about because frankly. I was supposed to be a dancer so i don't know that i even thought that much about the world it was just something in my house and around my house i knew my dad's friends and i you know you want the door open. You're like okay hello. Dad's got friends over so you know it's like. It's that that feeling but my world was supposed to be very different. My world was point shoes and broadway that way and then i realized oh we they'll pay me to do something else and then i can eat a sandwich. Did he incorporate like you know. The scene is partly built upon mitch's dad being uncomfortable being part of a comedian being part of material which is a thing i talked to a lot of comedians and i'm like oh do your kids. I have a problem when they grew grew up in my stool late now. Did you grow up you need have feeling about. Were you part of his material feelings about that. I was it's amy under i was. He does a whole thing about teaching me to swim and that i spent i was a kid so it didn't really matter but i that's his album behind you by the one i know. This isn't isn't gonna work in the past but there's an album behind. Let there be grass was his probably biggest seller. It was on lap record album and best clean clean album clean like not just like like formed pittsburgh. You know the thing about being a comic and we deal with that in many ways not just a but y- you know with joel is you have to be brutal enough to talk about the shed and if you can't talk about it then you can't do it and that's that's just the bottom line and that's kind of the sad reality of comedy is it's funny. If you can go go for the things that people laugh at people won't laugh at puppy dogs and rainbows they're going to laugh at like complicated relationships or weird fantasies or loneliness or heartache or the way your parents relate to you and unfortunately if your parents here era they may not like it very much and that and then you have to decide am i is what's more important to me. Is it more important to me to protect my family and my friends and or or is it more important to just kind of. Give everything i have to. This and that's part of the wonderful thing about major story is she has to decide no. We're back with more dan and amy after this word from sponsors. Just want to tell you about a podcast <hes>. I really really love so whenever you hear ding. Don you know it's less cultures. Calling lesko theresa's are of course your cultural consultants mat rogers and bone yanks and men bow and have a podcast called. You guessed it las is culture recess where they discussed. 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Dude weird friend who in that dumping and you told me i told you already heard about it and you said it was different thing but it wasn't oh the app lets his point forget arnaud fish some bothering w. n. P. o. next tuesday they're looking for experts going passed a spot on tv that station. Why am i just hearing about this to myself march. The bookers upheavals six a heads up about these things brad. I don't work for. Are you. Margie suzy might i replicate that would be great for the telephone. She's an applicant did some while i note about four. Maybe we're in kentucky in march and she's going to talk about from my girl in the bag. That's fantastic komo margie dougie. You should have gone to kenny keeping up to date on these things brag. I don't work for you. Take marci russell left her assistance table twelve. She can pull the trigger you fred for you. I've got a hot down talent for get the hell away from my table. Bitch chicks a stiff table twelve table. Hey kimmy get along with love much. You've asked for my girl short. Thanks sorry about pitch thing hardee's assistant who's asking dot com for the telephone vouch for kenny problem. Zindi likes you. Aren't you know why not thanks that. You can't pay meet. Girls named mazel until march to slaughter in good deal. You done done done joey mackerel. That's the guy's name right about fish or speaking brands eagle xenos someone else he's not even this guy's earning fit so that one which is so musical and so rhythmic. How do you do it right the song the d. right this into that song. Actually that song was the last last thing we added. I mean that that that whole scene was sort of subtitled a an anatomy of a deal it was supposed to show suzy's he's growing skill at basically manipulating people selling people and to do it in a really quick rhythmic way we have this great set the stage or stage. Deli said is is not on stage. It's actually at an all nippon deli on the upper west side they kind of bugged out they left up to a lot of their equipment and a lot of their law and there's just this delis equipment and we rent the space and we put the tables in so we have this great big space that looks real because visit israel and part of the idea for this started as like i knew that i could get something from the table hopping because of the size of the space so i pictured them in their original regional in their in their kind of hero booth in that i knew that it would be funny to watch alex burstein jumping from table the table as she sort of manipulates people and and sales people and gets one person wrong and then makes up to that person. It was written very rhythmically. I mean it was written. Obviously it sort of been a almost like a a heightened damon runyon style she because it had to be fast and it just had to be boom boom boom boom boom boom and then that louis prima song just if fit it like set as soon as when we put me as again we know immediately whether it works out in that one you put in and just that bump bump banana just was the right rhythm. I'm for that piece but the music actually came came last with that one the the rhythm of the pace of the writing is the thing that people always talk about. Is it in your head. Could you sing thing. The rhythm of this. Show is the rhythm different than gilmore girls like. Could you be like a one day and once like dint seeing in in your head unless we're really drunk. I think you'll walk was the beginning of crafting the way we like comedy because we had such free reign up until then i think we had we'd worked on other shows that other people create and you have to sort of adjust is to their roseanne was my first job and i i remember like is great as that job. Was i remember there's times that i would write a joke and i would be like i just. I just wish she would say it's like she's going to say it the way she's going to say it's going to be great and everyone's going to love it but there was sort of the clock in me that just just love people so as a little faster so when we got gilmore girls and kind of left us alone out of terror and and maybe i hope that we would just leave without anyone telling us to which we didn't and then we got we had lauren graham who's lake a machine gun like she's just so good at the comedy that breakneck howard hawks sort of like she's just sensational at that and not just saying words that are saying words delivering jokes at breakneck pace and acting and so when you have that sort give creature actor at your disposal you abuse them and exploit them for your own personal gain and i think it started are sort of and also also because we had no money on gilmore girls was literally. It was like we gotta walk them around burbank for like an hour. So what are they gonna do. They just got to talk so it was sort of honing our craft and and and i think the wonderful thing about this for us is we get to exploit the pace and the energy and then we can also stop on a dime and we can have the moment of breath and we can have the beauty of beauty shots and we can have the serious things and just let it be which is wonderful luxury that it comes with money. Basically all things come with money. You're one of the best things about doing this. Show for us is that we've always felt like comedy y- the networks especially in t._v. The networks were not into oh putting money into comedies dramas. Maybe they would spend you know they would do a loss then they would put a lot of money into lost but there was no equivalent of lost on the comedy side they tended tended to do either multi cam which is very very cost efficient or a single camera gilmore girls which they still really just wanted to beat down to the bare bones one thing because they felt like if you funny words and have funny people say them on the camera. It doesn't matter your shots and all that stop. That's that's just a tour stuff. We don't care about that but we always felt that that was wrong and we always felt like if you gave us a shot and gave us the finances to show you that great camerawork and bet and more time to block shots and rehearse actors with really much more complex material and and beautiful production and production values yeah that that's not that's not going against. What comedy is. It's like you know because the old it started with like when when they found laurel and hardy laurel and hardy just into shot and they're funny guys they would just like be funny and they would stay in that one to shot and it sort of came from that. It's like you get get funny. People you stand in front of the camera. Maybe you'll cut back and forth a little bit for at any but like that's all you need and a lotta times that works but we wanted to expand and do something on a bigger scale and prove that it can enhance the material not just like here's here's a postcard and here's the funny material so we wanted to marry nice to philadelphia story and bringing up baby where the women were gorgeous gowns and their hair is beautiful and the sets were big and lavish parties a lot of people and they were still funny and falling over things it was like one did not take away from the other and we just <hes> wanted a chance to prove that and i don't know well. Hopefully we have so one of the scenes we just talked about to delhi the on one side of the cat scale so i just want to talk a little bit about the jewishness of the show. I could talk forever about the chef. Yeah there's there. There are in so much as gilmore girls. Girls girls is a show about wasps and waspy nece. How is your show about jews and jewishness gilmore girls. It was the most jewish waspy show on the face of the earth because they're cadence the rhythms there lot of their references were extremely judaic like it was it was straight out of borscht belt sometimes uh-huh and we would joke about that because literally everyone in that cast was like gorgeous and irish like perfect little news is just just really like like very white very like non non yiddish and yet the humor was a little that show was right yiddish cast british. That's what it was what it was but this one we wanted to. We were doing the world of a of a for me. Comedy money is viewed through the lens of judaism. That's that's that again. It's the rhythms. It's the references it's two thousand year old man. It's i personally. I grew up with comedy. It's what i hear in my ear when i think about jokes and when i think about comedy so to me like there was never like a moment where it's it's like. Should she be jewish. It was just like she's going to be jewish clearly and and then we wanted to show you know upper middle class elegance you you know we wanted to show and we wanted to immerse ourselves in who these people were. We wanted to go the catskills. We wanted to show janka poor. We wanted to show the the fact they were so woven into the fabric of america that they weren't. These family isn't outsiders they are they are america. They are the upper west side. They are new york and we wanted to embrace that and then you know with joel's family we got to portray a little bit more of the the pushcart tenements you know sweat sweat on my brow kind of build something from nothing no matter what it's like a different jewish experience but just as valid and just as interesting and the fact that these two kids found each other it's the melding of two different kinds two different sprint separate viewpoints and taking that to the next level with their children ethan investor and it was it's just been sort of not even like a should we even a conscious kind of it was just this is who they are and this is what their lives are in. This is how we you know this. This is how we must portray them because they are they are they are who they are but when i when i watched the first time i thought of sort of like a superhero a jap superhero with superpowers he she found her superpower but we watch it for the interview. I kept she's like ah jewish walter white. Explain why so much is like you know bring his show but a person breaking bad and putting situation finds turns into sort of a power hungry murder murdering criminal and mazel something worse. She's a stand up comedian but uh-huh for walter he's making this addictive drug but he's addicted to the power of it and as as you know from being around comedians as i know from being around comedians there there they have to do it. Getting laughs is something they're addicted to. The ambition becomes a compulsion as a rewatch especially as you up so maybe maybe seven or so on there is a darkness to what she's sacrificing end that narcissism become is can be viewed as much darker if you peyton peyton to it and you don't get distracted by tonight close or whatever what is she bounced wanted to strike about who she is sort of a superhero or an anti hero. I don't think we turned in terms of balance. I think it's in terms of choice in life is choices and every choice you make is going to have some sort of consequence good or bad and you you know women today are really they're still dealing with the you know sheryl sandberg and her dumb book about lean in. It's like all right cheryl <hes> but it's like you can't i just i'm not a subscriber to you can have it all. You can't have it. All something is going to affect. Something else and kind of the wonderful journey of midge is that she is a woman who you know. She didn't really even make this choice. It was sort of found her. You know she didn't ask jolted lever she. He was never happier and she. We've often said at the end of her life. She's never probably going to be happier than she was right before joel after like that was the happiest safest most contentious she thought she had everything in her life and then it all blew up her her life is going to be more exciting. It's going to be more interesting. It's going to chill travel more. She'll have sex with different men in that could be good bad and indifferent but at the end of her life she will have lived a more adventurous maybe more interesting life but not not the comfort and the warmth and the happiness and the safeness that she had before and that's all about about choice and she as you get addicted to something something else is going to fall by the wayside and if you want to take that thing and be the best you can possibly be at it. Something else is going to give and i do not believe people can tell me anything that they want. You know it takes a village sure whatever it takes a village you know. I think that it's more interesting to really just sort of look at life like it is like this was my choice because i did this. This fell away back and that's what she's going through and she's learning that loneliness sometimes can come with ambition and it's a sad choice and it a scary choice but what would her life. She didn't take it to the integrate. Then you have regrets then you have what could i have been what what could have been and that sometimes that's worse than anything else in the world to sit. You know we've we've talked to a lot of women who like their mothers are sitting there now when times when everything's about women and women and what can women do and what can women be and there's a whole generation of women who are sitting there going. I never got the fucking be anything anything. I never got to do anything or go anywhere and nobody gave a shit what i had to say and it's it's that sort of like regret at the end of a of many many years where you've you've given to children new given to husbands and you give into family and you're like what did i have for me. It's selfish narcissistic to say me me me me me but that's part the journal. Was something really watching episode. Seven is called look. She made a hat which is a reference to sunday in the park with george which was on broadway probably when you were in pre production option for season one. I don't know if you saw the we did yeah we did. I was like i think this great workout. Which is for those who voice really we could avoid hope depressive. This is going to work <hes> but for those. I haven't seen it it. It is about the sacrifices artists make especially and in their personal life to make art in that episode you have declan howell talk about how he gonna have family with. This painting be really can't because this this is her all he has. What is your relationship to that as children of artists as spouses whose personal relationship is also their work relationship chip the idea of the sacrifice like and tell you that when we matt we were both working comedy writers. We were at lower levels working on other people's shows and it it was. It's very very easy to it's. It's much easier to understand what the other person's going going through when the when you're doing yourself i mean we would have really late nights and you would come home at four a. M. i worked on one show that there was such a bad show that if we got out of the writer's room even by one thirty even though all the bars in l._a. Would close it to we'd still hit a bar and but it's a lifestyle that like jake you understand it is like the other person's crawling into bed at four and you're getting up at seven in the morning and there's no misunderstanding about. You're being selfish by doing that job and you're being selfish so that that has helped us a lot and we know like you know. One of our comics on our staff is getting married to another comedian. They both work separately. They both go on tours that are in separate parts of the country and i don't and i think it's a lot it's very easy on them because they it's easier on them because because they they're doing the same thing both want the best for each other and so they understand travel and they understand some go drinking with the guys and hopefully it is guys and girls and vice versa so that that part of it is is there you see in life. I've seen firsthand first hand what happens when you put what you want on hold for somebody else and then you wind up and then everything you have is in someone else's hands and up to them so they screw it up then you're inadvertently screwed and that that's a very i don't know it's it's that sense of powerlessness. More looseness is just something. I can't imagine now. We're we're very lucky we were. We don't provoke we do not children because our children we psychotic and would be in some sort of mental institution right now in fact if we had children we would just drive it directly to a mental institution because why cut out the middleman drop it off on the doorstep. I don't even know that that was a conscious choice. I think it was like it was just sort of like this is our lives and there's certain things that we needed to do to accomplish in a certain manner and there's only so many hours in the day to do that and i you know we see friends who have altered what they they want or you know for kids and some of them are happy and some maybe not so happy and then that's something that is passed down to other people in the family and and resent men or sadness or i could have been or what would have been. I don't know i'm more afraid of that than i would be of anything else of getting to the end of your life and they just that sinking. My father was dying. He was very angry and i never understood and i try i talked about. I tried to say look. I know you didn't become jackie mason but you never worked a day job in your entire life you you bought a house with with a swimming pool. I never knew we had money. We didn't have money. I was went to ballet school. I had ballet shoes and there was. I was wants chaminda fares i i i it's like i never knew what was not working and you did that all working as a stand up comic to me that is a success to him it was not and so when he left it wasn't hugs and kisses and it was anger and sadness and that that's i think that's the worst thing that's the worst thing to get to the end and everything you worked for. It didn't mean anything because you can't you. Didn't there was a picture in your mind for some the reason you didn't go forward or attain it or that sound means. It's time for a final segment. It's the laughing around and it's like a lightning round call. Do you have a favorite joke joke either of you well. My favorite joke is the in hanan her sisters sisters the <hes> if jesus came back and saw what was happening being done in his name he'd never stop throwing up its max von sydow talking barbara hershey and that is my favorite have so many favorite woody allen but that i think more like monty python than jokes so it's like the argument sketch would be my favorite joke of all time. Even though it's six minutes long dan you wrote and worked on family guy for really long time. It's a thing that you don't get asked about a lot. Do you have a favorite famous famous guy joke you wrote. I wrote a few episodes. I wrote yeah. I did see how how do i describe it. Peter peter peter was was really upset at lois for not knowing the lyrics to a kiss song at a kiss concert and he said you're faux faux pas last night at the concert was so upsetting. I had a call a university professor to tell me what phrase active use to describe it use faux pas thanks professor. There's this kind of a the perfect circularity to that. I liked so that's yeah. I had a lot of fun on family guy. It was <hes> esp in the early years. It was really kind of raucous. It was an underdog situation. We were never going and we met alex bursting. I've known her since family. Guy will who is on mrs may he's in the oklahoma oklahoma dealing with his beard. You guys the sexy oklahoma we saw by. We're gonna we're gonna go with him. You can't really say much about the gypsy that you're working on but if you can use one word to describe what you hope from it what does the word one word or a sentence gypsy me as a perfect musical and i wanna do it justice. I want people just just to walk out feeling like they've been on a ride. I have this face that is fairly jewish in these classes that are appropriate if i was wearing more clothes at the time what role role would i play mrs mazel. I would say disgruntled village voice editor would work out that would work very very well always mad at norman mailer yeah. That sounds like me <hes> and lastly. Do you have a favorite gilmore girl line or joke that the other person wrote yeah i mean i my my z. 'cause i she wrote this joke in in one first episodes where the girls had come back from dinner at there at the parents house at at <hes> at the at the gilmore's house and lower allies said because it would just end badly it doesn't have not we'd be like the first fifteen minutes of saving private ryan but at least those guys got to be in france try which i thought was just sort of the perfect of so jealous of that joke i've. I've been trying to find a joke like that. I don't know if it's out. That's my favorite show to the prophet. The problem with this problem with the other side here is that i've i britain's so many great jobs. It's very hard for all. This is floating around how you grab it. How do you grab one out of the air and voice it so the end of the interview. Thank you guys now. Get out of my office. Now get out. Can we keep the microphones. That's it for another episode of good one. The marvel mrs maizels available to stream on amazon prime video. Amy daniel are obviously non social media gone. It's producing mike calm day with production assistance from gentlemen molly and research from serena debbie justin de right there themes home review and rate the show on apple podcast five stars. Please and hey if you'd you'd know anyone who might like the podcast. Maybe tell them what the heck you can email. Any comments. Questions are laughing around suggestions to good one podcast g. dot com. I'm jesse dave fox and you can follow me <unk>. 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