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"Now from your home for the LA kings, a look at the NHL draft and how it impacts, your LA kings. This is LA kings draft cover. Here's Jesse co rob render, and gave Joseph. It is a weekend that can affect the fortunes of a franchise for years to come two days were months, even years of work in scouting, come to fruition with the announcement of all the new players who will be joining an organization injecting youth, exuberance, desire, and a skill set that will provide the franchise with hopefully some good luck going forward to make runs at the Stanley Cup. It is the two thousand nineteen NHL draft. Welcome everybody to the all the king's men live NHL drafts special. I'm rob Brenner going to be joined in a moment by Jesse Cohen. Dave Joseph, if you were not with us on draft lottery night, which was our last live, broadcast the first that we have done in this series, which we hope to continue for many years to come. Welcome, and thanks for joining us on this Saturday. This is the draft special, of course, draft town going right now in Vancouver. They are in the second round the first round happened yesterday on Friday. We're going to recap everything that happened yesterday and talk about the picks that have happened so far. Today, also try to keep you updated on stuff as we watch the television with you to try to see who the kings are selecting and all the trades that are being made it's been a very active day up in Vancouver, not just for the kings, but for everybody around the NHL, and we're also going to be taking your phone calls along the way. So get them in at eight seven seven five two zero one one five zero. Again, that number eight seven seven five two zero one one five zero. You can also tweet at us. We love Twitter at king's men podcast is the best way to do it hit me up on my account at Robert brendor is perfectly fine as well. And we'll try to answer your questions and take those over the air that way as well. So guys, first of all, hi, how are you? We were all at the king's party last night, which we had in downtown LA. And by the way, great job by the staff members of the LA kings to put that thing together when a hot party, it was a little warm. Just a little warm scorching hot party, lots of people showed up, and that's a good thing, which is added to the heat downstairs. But a great venue and a nice event and great Tavil the players turn out that showed up and all the different events that were going on while we were there. So it was really a special night. So we're a little bit tired, but we're gonna get through it, obviously because all the excitement that's going on up in Vancouver. Let's go to the big stuff. Get the formalities out of the way go to what happened yesterday. The kings picking number five overall. They wind up with Alex Turcott a little bit of a surprise that he actually fell to five, lots of projections had them going number three to Chicago, but the kings wind up with Alex Turcott and their lab. Jesse Cohen, your initial impressions of the selection. I had heard so many people say that Kirby doc or bone Byrom. We're going to be the player taken or Dylan cousins, or something like that. Alex Turcott never entered into never really entered in the conversation as a potential pick. So, my, my first reaction was, oh, the kids from Illinois and Chicago didn't take him. You know what's that all about? But then our minded myself, these are all eighteen year old kids, and you have no idea, why any team does anything. And maybe Chicago just decided they wanted the six foot five kid who knows the more you learn about this kid, the, the better I felt about the pick and the reality is it didn't matter who they were gonna take we were gonna show up this morning and say, I love it. This is a solid pick kids. Again, doesn't matter. We were not following these kids that closely in their junior careers. So, like I said, the more you learn about him, the more you read about him, the more interviews, I watched when I. Got home, the better and better and better, I felt about this kid and we'll get into this in a later with this sort of broad view of what the kings were doing. But I loved the fact that all this talk about, you gotta get faster. You gotta get more skill in the lineup. You've gotta get it doesn't matter if the kids are big anymore. You know, all this talk and the first guy, they take is described as sandpaper and silk, and, you know, he's an agitator and he goes to the right places on the ice all the sort of really easy rhetoric that I've been sort of bristling at for the last year, two years. Right. Out the window with the kings. I two picks they got a kid who's leader. They got a kid, who's got is not afraid to get hurt like sandpaper and silk, because just such a great. I mean, if that's not a king's t shirt and the next two years, somebody's not doing their job. You're not doing your well, right? Live. Right. One of the nine players from the United States taken in the first round yesterday. And one of eight that played for their development developmental program, which is a record one team eight players all taken in the first round, really impressive stuff. So obviously he's playing with a special group of players around him. But there's no question in reading all the different scouting reports about Alex Turk, Dave that he was one of the guys that was at the head of that group. Yeah. I'm sure he's on the list. You know, you've got your top five list of guys, who you're looking for should say, kids. Right. Because their kids at this point, we're looking at this group of kids. Doc goes off the list cross him off a lot of people thought Boeing Byrom was going to be available for the kings of five cross him off the list. He goes to Colorado. And then you say, well, who's left, not really a bad choice, right? In Alex Turcott here you go and from everything that I've gathered as well. And I think it was Nelson Emerson from the kings player development group. He said, Alex Turcott will. Will get you the puck. He'll get it to you at the right time, and he'll get it to you at the right speed which is everything you're looking for. So if you're looking for a playmaking center, you're looking for a guy who can create you're looking for a guy who isn't going to be afraid to go to those difficult spots like Jesse was saying, this is a fantastic pick. And you can have as many centers, you can't be deep enough at center, I think this is a huge pick for the kings to have this. Now, I would have said that about Boeing Byrom. I have said that about it doc. I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys. But, like Jesse was saying at this point their kids and we didn't know a whole lot about them from our standpoint coming into this. But the people who did the people in the scouting department of people in the front office, did their homework. So they know they're getting a great player, number five, and Alex Turk. I like to pick, I think it was consensus, the top five not necessarily in the order, three four and five. Win number one and two were much across the board. Jack Hughes goes to the devils cap Okaka one's going to the New York Rangers. Everybody thought universally that that was what was going to happen. And that's how it played out. Three four and five. It looked like just about any of those guys could have fallen anywhere, right? Yeah. Nobody had a specific feel for it. And if you're the king sitting there at five, and I know that thoughts, especially on draft lottery night when the kings didn't wind up with one and two were all depression and sadness. And now my goodness, we didn't get the guys, we wanted we're now going to pick number five it's not gonna be as great. Well, you have to look at it a different way. This is one of the deepest drafts in years, according to anybody that looks at this on a regular basis, all the prognosticators all the scouts all the people that look at the guys that are gonna get picked in these upcoming drafts. This draft and neck strap next year are supposed to be two of the deepest in many, many years. So picking number five does not mean by any means and really in any draft that you're gonna wind up with player who's that much of a drop off from number one or number two. We'll see how things play out. You never know who works out. You never know who doesn't but I think the kings probably would have been very happy with any of those three players that went three four or five, and they wind up. With a guy who has said at the top a lot of people thought would go number three. That's not that bad. So a good pick for them. I think with Alcott he was one of two players, by the way that the kings picked in the first round yesterday to buy Bjorn fought was the other player. We're gonna talk quite a bit about him as well. Sounds like both of these guys, Jesse not going to be NHL ready necessarily this upcoming season. Bjorn Fahd, especially is going to return to Sweden. It sounds like play for the team that he played for last year. Turcott is committed to the university of Wisconsin that obviously doesn't play into things. I don't think too much for the kings. They're looking for future not necessarily right now with this player. Yeah. I'm I mean, I'm not even worried about that. Right. If you have a guy like drew doughty or a Dustin Brown who can step into the league at eighteen years old, and hold down in any gel, shift and not look out of place. Then great fine do it. But other than that, I mean, we all know what the kings cap situation is we know that they have roster spots that they would like. To open up, obviously out the enough, but there's follow COPA Brown. Kovalchuk Carter to Foley, Clifford Louis Wagner, grunts, strum. That I leave Chuck out that I, I think you said it. Yeah. I mean, there's just so many guys, so you know, and then you also have to work in, you know, is Jared Anderson Dolan, gonna make a shot at the team as a kill Thomas gonna make a run of the team is a guy like eight and Dudas gonna come out of nowhere. I mean, they have spots and the next two seasons are going to be question marks, you know, and I think ownership and management have correctly said. You know, the, the expectation is not to contend in the next two seasons. But certainly, if they if they do, right. Nobody's going to lose any sleep over no one's gonna cry tears. And I think personally the team will be much better than last year. But yes this effort to recreate or restructure the team. You know, they don't have any real solid prospects that were drafted four or five years ago. Right. They have kale Clegg who has taken in sixteen. I think and then you have a, you know, two years worth of draft picks, basically. And then now this will be the third, so yeah, these guys are going to start getting woven into the into the fabric of this team slowly over time the way you would want them to and look Turcott comes in, in a year and barefoot comes in. Barefoot right. It does translate to barefoot. Yeah you weren't fault. And then look, they also got two second round picks this year, it was meant to be too, but they traded one of their third round picks to, to move up and get a second runner. So mean you're starting to see now the prospect cabinet. Get full right? Once you start seeing fans say a why do they take this guy? They're, they're overloaded at. That's you know that's why they take offense when they have too many defences none. You don't have too many prospects. You have as many as you have and take best avail, if you trade him, you trade them. And so now that can only be a good thing when you start looking at your prospect pool, and you're saying, oh, God. Wow man, we took it offensive like where's he gonna play? It's fine. It's great. Also, just keep in mind, like look back to Chico Petar who was selected eleventh overall. You've got an article Dr came into the league lit it up from day one. You've got the fifth overall pick Alex Turcott. So chances are he's gonna turn out to be a pretty good player. Ah look at over the past couple of years. Jerry Anderson Dolan who's gone round two. Now Anderson dole looks like he could have a crack at making the roster this year, and should be on the kings roster this year. So when you look at these guys and you look at the guys who've just been drafted yesterday. And now today, there are some of these guys who could make an impact on this team within two to three years. And like you're saying Alex Todd is going to Wisconsin. He's gonna play for Tony Granato, former king, it was -sconsin. Okay, terrific. I've got no problem with that it to three years. Is he going to be ready to step into the LA kings and play a pivotal spot on this team? I'd say, yes. So I say next two or three years are going to be critical in the development of the seem like you were saying, you're not gonna win the Stanley Cup probably next year two years playoff team. Okay. Possibly is a team better than it was last year one hundred percent. Already, I would say, so, I think we're the LA kings are in a really good spot at this point, just to get people caught up, by the way on, what has gone on so far as I mentioned they took to by Bjorn fought at number twenty two over on the first round and then the second round starting today up..
"jesse cohen dave joseph" Discussed on All The Kings Men
"From? Looks like they dropped again. Unfortunately, we have a second one waiting. They're just saying number same number. Okay. All right. So again to get into that point. What do you think the direction is? Is it a two goalies system for the king's next year, potentially? Or they go potentially. Yeah. I mean, I could see them splitting time. But I think the lion share of the work would be given to to Cal Peterson agreement with Jesse says, I think they got a taste of Cal Peterson this year on what he can do with the NHL level. And I'm guessing they were pleased with what they saw he put up better numbers in the NHL than you did in the H L kind of in front of a patchwork defense. So I think Calvi the guy, but maybe a fifty thirty type situation that fifty games thirty games back to the phones. This is all the kings met live. What's your name where you're calling from? Hey, this is the them calling from LA. Hey, buddy. How you doing? What's your dealer? Hey, I'll be going. Good good. Yep. What's your question? But just in in response to call it. I think trading it would be counterproductive to what the king by. Now. There's going to be a lot of good players available. You gotta say GRIs got them, maybe cold and the Russian guy, and he falls because people don't want to take a chance on them. And I think that you know team sans. Helen watts. Look forwards is still and can take solace in the fact that auto getting anything sealing the Avs they felt a fourth. No. And and another thing is like, you know, the kings. They can't they did we can't take do the gotta make a run for the playoffs every year looking this is just this. This is just a proof fly. So. Yeah. Keep ahead of kings fans. I know hurts but pretty good player. We'll thanks for the call. I don't think there's any any emphasis on taking for this team. I'm certainly was a saying that you just look at the roster and you look at where they finished this year. And how many teams jumped from thirtieth to? I over on the league or fifth over on the league, it just typically doesn't happen. So that's why I think it's going to be a couple years. They're talking about the the retooling of the roster that's going to take a couple of years for that all to mesh and for this team to be competitive. You know, interestingly enough, the Rangers who have this great pick this year. They move all the way up to number two their team that liked the kings have kind of gone with that retool method for years and years and years and then finally a couple of years ago, they say, you know, what we're rebooting completely right? And we are just going to call it an actual rebuil-. We're sending a mess base. This is the product that we're going to give you for the next few years a rebuilding product. And when we think it's built up again, we'll be ready to compete, and it's an interesting philosophy to take. Because again, we're talking about a company and organization that decided not to do that for ever which is why they've never picked number one either in the draft and the kings. It sounds like are adopting that same philosophy and half for many many years, which is we're the kings. We're going to report this thing, we're not rebuilding. And we have veteran talent on the roster. So fascinating to see the direct. Action that they do choose to go. And I think that's still sort of to be determined. See how the offseason plays out for them. We are expecting market Nettie kings, director of amateur scouting here in the next few minutes. Robert Jesse Coen. Dave Joseph from the king's headquarters in El Segundo. This is all the king's men live. More exclusive kings content is available on their dedicated channel on the iheartradio app. Now back to all the king's man that your host, rob brendor and Jesse Cohen. Welcome back to the kinks the silicon Elsa. Good. No, all the king's men. Live out rented Jesse Cohen Dave Joseph at his draft lottery night the kings are going to pick fifth. That's the pick that they have right now. We'll see through treats that are made on the undrafted. You just never know what can happen. But as of right now, they fell from what was hopefully going to be the number one or two spot all the way down to number five not too terrible and still lots and lots of great players on the big board on drafted choose from. No better person to talk to about what draft is going to be like all the guys who are available because God knows he is probably scouted. Every single one of them. It's the kings director of amateur scouting marquee. Nettie Mark, it's rob Reiner. Jesse Cohen -oday Joseph. How are you? Outstanding. And thank you very much for giving us a few minutes. So obviously some disappointment in this room and in this office right now, but from your perspective, and I asked this of Dave earlier, you must look at this. As a big challenge, you fall from what was expected to be a guarantee of either Jack Hughes or Cafo Kako at number two to this number five spot does the scouting staff as a wholesale. All right. Now's when we earn our money all these guys we scouted. Now, we have to really find a gem in number five. I mean, it's it's certainly we have to we have to you know, I if we're picking second one. We've relatively. We would have a pretty good idea of overtaking so fifth opens it up opens it up to probably six or seven players when at one or two you really looking at one or two players. So certainly a little hole work to be done. But you know, if you look at the history of the NFL draft, very very good players reveal what five so it's just a it's just a matter of getting the right one Mark we got asked this question earlier. And I think it's probably the most obvious question in this scenario. Do you look to fill specific roster spot in the in the king's development program, or do you just take the best player available? I I think that's this before I the next question. You have to take the best player billable in the you know, I've never wanted to shy away from areas where the kings made mistakes. I think the biggest mistakes we've ever made at the draft table have been Duffy for need instead of drafting the best player available. And and I can think of a couple of times, you know, I understand. The emotional portion of of of wanting to fill a need you. See you see a. You see a deficiency in your team? And. You want to fill that need it. The problem is you know, we've done that in the past. And when the players ready to play all of a sudden that need isn't there anymore. Most at the time in the first round, especially when that house the first or second fix. You're talking minimum of three to five years for these guys to be players. You know, your best case scenario really picking some three two three two fifteen three to twenty is a three year window for the guy to make the team afford
"jesse cohen dave joseph" Discussed on All The Kings Men
"Calls again three one. Oh, three four one zero two three two again, that's three one zero three four one zero two three two. If you want to vent just discuss the draft pick where you think the king should go with this pick or you can tweet us at king's men podcast. Also to let you know kings, director of amateur scouting Markian. Nettie is going to join us right around six forty. That's the expected time should have him for about fifteen twenty minutes. So a great opportunity to get a feel for what the kings scouting staff knows about these guys, which I'm sure is much more. Depth than our knowledge of them to say, the least. And so we'll get some great feedback. I'm sure for Mark about where they're going to go with this number five pick Jesse. Let's talk about needs. This is a team, obviously, if you're going to finish where they finished. They're going to have more than one and more than probably three or four. So it kind of goes back to the point of picking for best available or what you think is the best available player at that number five spot. But I want to ask from your perspective. What do you think the biggest needs for this team are well, it's coaching? It's not something you can draft. Frankly. I mean, they're going to have to get the coaching, right? They're going to have to get the culture right as as even GM Rob Blake said yesterday and the exit interviews it's about environment. It's about eliminating that entitlement from the from the players. And again, I'm not using any language the organization itself hasn't used. So that's the real kick. And frankly as far as the draft big is now that I'm sort of coming down off my rage high for a bit. You're not gonna draft a savior savers don't exist in hockey. Right. You can look at every player you want. Crosby. Didn't do it alone in Pittsburgh. Ovechkin didn't do it alone in Washington. You know, even doubt he didn't. Do it alone in LA. Right. It takes a team and it takes time to build an identity and an structure and a focus. So as far as what they can draft right now the to address in need, I think you just take the best player available. Right. We're gonna use this word a lot you either have trust in your scouting staff and your development staff or you don't and we've seen Matt ROY was seen Sean Walker. We know there's kale Clegg Alex Lindsay Niemi, the Chandra's e they acquired in the Muslim trade. Like there are defensemen. That are gonna come through. There's free agency. They're ways of acquiring players. Besides, you know, relying on the NHL to hand you a top three pick even though you were six points out of a playoff spot. So I mean. Party of one. So they just take the best player available. And as I said trust in your scouting staff that they're going to deliver you a piece that will be part of a contending team in the future. How important do you think it is Dave to have the head coach in place 'cause Jessie just referenced it, I think that's a huge part of this have that person here. And there's some rumors going around that the kings are obviously reaching out. Now, maybe it's Tom McClellan, maybe some others but having that person here to give their input. They're going to be coaching this team and a lot of times. Yeah. The general manager wants the most control over the roster. And then you just let the head coach go coach. But I think it's always good to have that head coaches input. When it comes to how he thinks those players are going to fit into his system. How important you think this is for the front office to get that head coach hire before this drafting ju yeah, I know I think it's big. And I think any time you can have another voice as an input into what you're looking for. Whether it's you know, obviously have Rob Blake and you have Luc Robitaille and the guys at the top making the decisions. But if you have someone else who sees the game, maybe from different is. A different viewpoint behind the bench, and they have seen this team. And they know what this team needs. Maybe that's very helpful to have another opinion come into the conversation and say, hey, what about this guy? This guy could help out the team. I think that's good. And I think if it's Todd McLellan or or anyone else who might be who might be hired kings? I think that can only be a good thing. I don't think you can have enough voices when it comes to your scouting staff when it comes to your GM, your president all those all those guys and guys who have played in the league. And know what it takes to win. I think the more the merrier the more opinions you can get there the mayor, and I think again top five pick. I don't think you're going to go wrong with any of these guys who you're gonna pick jesse's kinda rolled his eyes at me. So maybe not. Somebody suggested something on Twitter that I want to throw out there. What's their handle handles? There you go plus follow that works. Billy puck. Follow tweets of me. All the time. I don't think there's any reasonable expectation that the kings could trade up, but what if there's an offer to trade down. It's a great point opens up some possibilities maybe to acquire assets. And it'd be digital picks. That's great thought. I mean, look two for one type thing enemies begins to first round picks. Or who knows? I mean, maybe it can be a prospect Anna pitcher, it'd be it'd be two seconds. But the kings have the pick they acquired in the Muslim trade from Toronto Toronto, if they lose I think the the highest pick from Toronto can be I think is eighteenth. And obviously the lowest thing abuse thirty first. But by the time the draft happens, we'll know where it falls in that spectrum. So you know, you have another first round pick already if you don't have real solid feelings about any of the players. We mentioned earlier, maybe. Yeah. Maybe you do take two in the first of some other team has a stronger feeling. I mean, it could be a consideration, certainly. Yeah. Look it's a team again with so many holes and so many needs calm down. Well, this is beyond just here, but they have and they have to eat. And so if you can plug a two players into your lineup or two players. System. You would always want to do. Of course, it depends on how far you're gonna move down. At also, they might their scouting staff might fall in love with the player at number five that they know is going to be on the board for them. And in looking at some of the stuff that's been written about this draft again outside of Houston Kako. It still sounds like a lot of these prospects that we're gonna full from three to let's say ten are still considered big time players. They didn't get the billing that using Cocco got. And especially the guys that played with us with this national developmental team because he was so good because all the talk was about Hughes. You forget about the Turk outs and played next to him. And and the guys on the second line legs aggress who can obviously be plugging play guys for you right away at the NHL level too. So I think there's talent there and again the kings might find a guy at that spot in the say, that's our guy. I'll just say this. If Edmonton is the team offering to trade up, I'd do it because they're wrong. So whatever can you can trust them to whiff on whatever pick your giving them, and you just take their pieces, and you say, thank you very much. Yeah. The last time that kings had a top five pick was number five two thousand nine Brayden Schenn and wanna point that out pretty good NHL players stuck around since then and a guy who obviously isn't doing it for the kings right now. But he's making a difference in a couple of different cities. And he's been in Saint Louis now for the last couple of years they've only picked as high as number two in the draft that never had the number one pick in the history of the franchise three times they've picked second last one was two thousand eight and we know drew doughty came out of that draft. So turned out pretty well that worked out, right? Stamkos was number one. And I'm sure new whoever New York takes number two. We'll be just dandy. Right. I just think about that though. When you think he goes number two, and if the kings were had the opportunity to select Steven stamkos. Instead would the team have won two Stanley Cups. No. I say the same thing. I would agree with that. So you don't know what you're getting. But what? And both of them are franchise changers. Right. Look what stamkos has done in Tampa Bay over the years. Dowdy look what he's done here. But again, it's. It's a similar type situation with us and cackle from what everyone is saying at this point, we won't know until their careers play out. But it seems like a very similar type situation there with the top two picks and believe we have our first phone call take it though, we do want to take it three one. I don't remember the no you don't remember the number where you've been. Yeah. Three one zero three four one zero two three two is the number. I thought you were pointing at the machine now trying to give me a call in all. That's right. Yes. Three one. Oh, three four one zero two three two or again, the Twitter stuff works as well at king's men podcast at Robert Brenner. If you like either way again, if you haven't caught up on the big news yet where have you been kings are picking number five, or at least they are on the board to pick number five in the June entry draft they were projected to pick second. They had the best odds to pick second coming in Colorado via Ottawa would have picked first, but things got moved around because of the way the ping pong balls fell tonight. So the kings are going to pick five I'm going to actually do through. Let's go ahead and take it. Sir. You are or man you are on the air with Kingsman live. Oaken years. Yeah. Hi, what's your question? Yeah. I was wondering what you got coke Hoppy worth king up at number five, even though he's undersize goal Caufield and thanks for the call. We appreciate it one of the kids with the national developmental program. That was an interesting sound. Thank you for that. Jesse might be the drafts best pure goal scorer. According to some people, very small guy five foot seven. But of course, these kids can all grow, you never know maybe adds a couple of inches, but we've seen that size hasn't really been a huge factor in the NHL the last several years we're seeing a lot of guys that are under size flourishing Johnny row. You can point out a breeding point. There's just so many down the line right now to not be the way in the NHL. If you didn't have six foot six one scale yet. On his right. But now it's no longer like that. And we've seen these kids flourish. So now, we're talking about a kid in coal Caufield at five foot seven so as compared to talking about the prospect of self I'll just put this to you Dave with this the size or should the size of the player that the height of the players specifically should that matter at this point, not at all not at all not at all. I think if you look at the guys who are having some great success in the league right now. You look at the us, Johnny guerrillas, an example, right? He can fly he gets through the open areas on the ice. It's got a great shot and a quick release. If you have that you can skate. Well, if you can move doesn't matter how big you are. I think it helps if you have a little bit of size. I think you could play more of a physical style if you wanna play a type style with a little more size to your body and a little more physicality your game. That's fine. But you don't have to in the NHL today. I'm just thinking that some of the smaller players in the league. And and the success that they've been having. I don't think it matters at this point the game has changed. So much words about speed. It's about angles it's about how you get to the open areas on the ice. The it used to be you had to be big yet to be Eric Lindros. You had to be this behemoth that could just bowl people over. I think that's the case and brings up an interesting point that we're going to get into just a little bit because using Kako big difference in size there as well. The two guys that are going to go likely number one and two in this draft. We're going to take time out we come back more your phone calls again three one zero three four once you wrote to three to rob Reiner. Jesse Cohen Dave Joseph from king's headquarters talking about the entry draft. We do ask the u hold your calls till we come back from the break, though. We don't have the opportunity to put you on hold. Okay. Well, there you go all those calls until after we get back. This is all the king's men live. Loose a scramble score. All the king's men. Don't take go a look at the kings today's NHL draft lottery. Now here are your host, rob brendor and Jesse Cohen.