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Julia Louis-Dreyfus Takes The Lift For 'Downhill'
"To the fray mom John Horn for Valentine's Day weekend. Here's an idea a new movie. That might leave you contemplating the meaning of marriage. The film is called Downhill. And it's dramatic and dark comedy adapted from the Swedish movie for Moore. The Film Stars Julia Louis Dreyfuss and Will Ferrell as a couple whose family is on a European ski vacation when the resort sets off. What's supposed to be controlled? Avalanche that threatens them and their kids. Each parents reaction reveals deeper divisions in the marriage. Julia Louis Dreyfuss is also a producer of downhill. We got together at the Sundance Film Festival. A couple of weeks ago. Where the movie premiered. She said she. I discussed the idea of an American remake of force majeure with Fox searchlight back in two thousand fourteen but I had just finished making this movie enough said with them and we were talking about further projects and I said believe it or not. I said you know I'm really intrigued. By stories in which reality is seen one way and then a lens is taken off and you look at reality a completely different way within the story and they said well we just came back from con. We saw this movie. You should see this movie. Because we're trying to get the rights to it to rebuild force majeure. Yeah so I said your love to see it and so they screened it and I was utterly hooked. I remember watching force majeure on my laptop and there's a scene in which there's an avalanche and the father without giving too much way doesn't exactly do the right thing that kind of and remember when I watched it. I backed up and watch like ziprecruiter film. I went frame by frame. Like what is he really do? How does he really react? And in the original movie. It's a little vague in your version. It's not I guess. It's a little more clear in your adaptation. I'M GONNA ask about that moment and in your adaptation why that was key to amplify that choice. Well we wanted to be clear what he did but unclear as to the fallout from it. So in other words The wife in this situation play by myself is in utter shock and we wanted to unravel the sweater from that point. From a storytelling point of view. This movie is certainly about the repression of Truth and truth and denial of truth. Which is I think an interesting theme particularly right now. And denial of facts But on both ends because you know initially the couple that you know. It's a stunning moment and then rather than a direct confrontation or conversation. Even about what had happened. They don't have that because I think what happened feels unmentionable because it's so shameful and so They they begin. This is a credit to Jesse Armstrong. Who did the adaptation they begin By attacking an outside source that is to say these safety. The mountains safety guy played by Christopher Hindu and on the enforce measure who is also enforced measure and wonderful in that movie as well as in our movie. Here's what I think you're not picking up on. This was a huge event for our family. Okay and Sir. I don't WanNa make this a legal matter between us. I don't know I don't I but I'm saying that I don't want nothing lyrica. Were you sue. Because your coffee's hot madame school you I'm an attorney okay. You've heard our complaints. Yeah will someone needs to hear it. Thank you for your time. And no. Thank you for your time for me. That is for certain. I thought that was such a great idea to put it away from themselves. Put that anxiety in that tension Onto somebody else before they turn on one pretty cool. We're talking with Julia. Louis Dreyfuss producer and actor in downhill on as about castain and are talking about the kids the couple because they're older than the original film and that changes something because they understand what's happening in the marriage. The kids in the other movie. I think are too young to really appreciate it. These kids are older and they know what's happening and was at written. Was that just something where you start thanking us our producer. What does it mean if these kids are twelve as opposed to seven? We totally discussed that at great length. I mean look both will and I are old right and I'm really old. No no no I am and so and when we first started doing this I was like we gotta get this done soon because pretty soon it's going to be implausible for me to have two young children and in fact they needed to be young because they had to you needed to feel as if they were vulnerable in the situation of the avalanche Had they been in their teens? You might have felt that they were possibly less vulnerable. Not that teenagers can't be vulnerable. But somehow being younger sir heightens the the the the sense of danger I think And then additionally we sort of wrote it into the script or pretty subtly implied that we were an older couple who decided to have children late in life Wills character refers to fertility treatments that we went through and whether or not it was going to work so this was a sort of a later in life choice for this couple which is sort of an interesting idea to what about. Well how did you end up? Casting him He read the script and he was super interested in it and I had seen stranger than fiction and was a very big fan of his work in that I mean I'm a fan of his work period. I mean the guys have stone cold genius but he was able in stranger than to embrace a dramatic tone and therefore he would be able to sort of tackled this material and then we met believe it or not. We never met before not some random. Hollywood party and we have these parallel lives you know because of SNL and Etcetera Etcetera. But no. We have lots of friends in common but we never met. We met four this project and we had a long coffee and talked at great length about the material and He hadn't seen force majeure he'd only read the script of downhill so and he was like I really want to do it and I said well before you sign on make sure you really want to watch the original you know and make sure you WanNa step. Put your toe into this water. There's a expression that a friend of mine who worked in marketing uses an. It's an overcome as like a marketing. Obstacle that a film has. This is a serious movie about marriage and it stars people who are generally known for doing comedies. You think that's an issue in terms of either people come in thinking it's GonNa be funny or people who WanNa see a dramatic film and being unsure of. Comedians can do it completely. It's been a challenge from a marketing point of view. I mean the trailer was very Intentionally I if you watch the trailer you'll see. That's not chock full of That's by design. It looked like it was going to kill us full moment. The kids were screaming because it felt like we were gonNA dot keet and he had grabbed his phone. Keep left us nice. I didn't leave you to bear. Even though there are plenty of jokes within the film I mean there are comedic beats but I would say more dramatic beats than comedic beats when I watch downhill. I went back and rewatch force majeure because I wanted to see how that movie ended and I'm not going to talk about what specifically happens in the ending of your film. There's a scene in both films ski run and there's a scene in your film that is new. That is I. Think my favorite scene in the movie where there's a conversation about what will Ferrell's character can do and it feels like a really interesting way to end the movie. I'm wondering about that scene about its importance in how you try to figure out how the movie should end totally without talking about what she says to her husband. Well I think that we wanted. We did not want the movie to end up with a neat little bow. We wanted to have ambiguity at the end of this film. I think it's safe to say that people might leave the theater thinking either. This couple is gonNA work it out or maybe this couple Is got a real problem on their hands and I think. Both truths are acceptable It's up for. She makes a decision and I think it's questionable decision. Okay I mean you know as a standing outside of it. I can understand why she did it but I'm not sure it's exactly the right thing to do in that moment but that's okay because They're trying to crawl their way out of this mess and this is their kind of muddy messy way of doing it. And you know it's up for discussion as to whether or not it's the right. The right move. I really liked playing that scene because I understood why she would come to that conclusion. But it was very important to me in this in the film that we made that this character that I played was flawed Because I we didn't want it to be a movie about you. Know sort of cowardice and masculinity and just that it needed to be a little more balanced and that was important to me and the wife character in our film makes a couple of pretty miserable decisions.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Empire Film Podcast
"They earned it. Maybe they're the hero, and you go wait a minute that didn't seem right inherited the money. So there's this kind of I'm reminded of the stories from Vietnam supposedly where they would leave land mines. And then the enemy would come and flip all the landmines off. And then the US soldiers would come back and flip them to on. And the enemies wouldn't flip them expecting the US to think they had and it's like this back and forth, and I kind of going on with the the storytelling ground. That's I mean, let's face it. That's where most of this battle exists is with mythology with belief with storytelling once again, incredibly long winded answer. Little self important to you know, what a podcast away with it. We can get away with winded. We certainly get away with this is totally Dobie. Let's go back to Dobie. Oh, Dobie bottle fed that shark. What is next year? You mentioned that you might have a third part of this. What the fuck trilogy. Your slave. Well, you know, sadly, the big ball of reality. That's just the big house moving castle of reality. That's coming over the horizon line is global warming, man. It's just a wish it wasn't the case. There are other more enjoyable stories. I'd rather tell but must see if I can crack something with that at the same time. You know, I don't know. I it be fun to go back to a rip Warren comedy. I missed laughing with will Ferrell onset all day. So he and I are kicking some stuff around. I have learned through the years never predict what movie you're gonna do next while year still taking out your new movie 'cause I've always been wrong but somewhere in that zone. I mean, if I think of global warming absurdist comedy with will Ferrell, John that would be I would make me very happy. But but I'm not sure. Stepper this to just took a whole new direction. Across my mind across my mind. That is interesting because I've I've been using about this for while about Hollywood's responsibility to not lectu people, but to inform people about global warming. Because a lot of people have shut their ears to the whole thing as the d the Hollywood has a responsibility that is very important. It has reaches millions people's no in a way that they don't really listen to politicians. I don't any decent storyteller. Whether it's movies music, novels, whatever you can't ignore reality. I think that's just what it's about. And you know, if all the sudden the entire world became infested with lemurs, and there were lemurs like living in apartment buildings climbing in trees, howling shrieking throwing their pooping every single day. And then I did a movie where there were no lemurs go. How do you not have lemurs like it? Just a terrible example. I apologize once. Back to allergy. Really bad. He's coming. Although now, I kind of like it. Now, it's growing on. So I feel like with climate change is the same thing, man. This is mammoth. I mean, it is gigantic and to ignore it. Just feels like, you know, it just feels like you're shooting novacaine into your brain just feels wrong. When I watch things that don't at least somewhat address that. And Jesse Armstrong, and I've talked about this for succession, like, you know, it's you want the show to deal with reality yet. You don't want reality to be steering? The show us wanna acknowledge what the topography of the physical world isn't where we're at. So it's always a tricky thing. Because like you said it could become preachy it become it can become hectoring. And you never wanna do that. You know, that's part of the reason that we we screw around with this form. And I think laughter has to be a part of it. I think I think there can be all kinds of different feelings, you can be afraid. You can be confused. You can be interested. And but whenever it becomes a wagging finger you're on a little bit of trouble will announce as the wills returning. This Ron burgundy for podcast are you involved with that? Or is that actually not involved with it in the sense that I could not be happier. No. He had mentioned it to me. I was like, oh, my friend. Please give me that. And and now that you mention it. I will make sure one of the podcast open opens with adobe song and asked happen. Yes to he touched us all with his expressionist face. He does. He really does McCain..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Yeah. You talk to the show runner. Jesse Armstrong. Did he realize the show is kinda taken off a little bit. I think he got the sense that hit become something people were talking about a lot. He was actually a little bit more defensive about the first few episodes. I think he was like that wasn't like a tryout. We were laying the groundwork for what came later. Yeah, back to those first few episodes. A lot of the themes and a lot of of the character beets are there Tom and Greg dynamic? Is there at the softball game KENDALL being ignorance and going up and falling again. And again, and again is right there, so it's it's, it's pretty interesting the way in which he probably used a show versus the way the audience does. I don't. There's very few shows that make cocaine seemed like something that actually be fun to do. I think that we find. Find cocaine, bump for then all of a sudden he's in a river pulling Chappaquiddick, which they're in the car with the with the caterer guy. Yeah, who's zonked out on Kennedy driving drive a clutch on like. Car accident did not see the chat, then all of a sudden they're going toward the river. I'm like, oh, the Chappaquiddick. Yeah, was great. You haven't really seen the Chappaquiddick move with the TV show. I think this is the first time, but I thought that there was. It was interesting how they pulled that off because the entire addiction narrative with KENDALL is that they're basically aren't any consequences for someone that rich and they push it to essentially manslaughter. There aren't any consequences. And that moment when Logan is like this is either the rest of your life or a detail, everybody forgets about a wedding, and you know you door number one door number two. And then to wheeled that kind of power. And even the way he's talking like, these are good people are people know these people. We can work something out as like, oh, man, fucking power, man, Brian, nice job. Start of the start of the last episode. He's really blindsided by by KENDALL coming in, and we're doing a bear hug on yet and you kinda see the looking his face and it's the only time there's like weakness. Yeah. And then he gets stronger. As that seen goes along. And that he's finally. So what are you? Gonna do. So what's your plan? What are you knew? It's like I'm going to do good job. Yeah, good job running company. And then he just gets his Mojo back. And then by that last seen, brilliant, crucial difference. Aaron Sorkin shows that KENDALL never has an answer Kevin. KENDALL never has a good speech, a witty speech. He's never like because the house always wins. It's like he, he is like your fucking beast is the most. He can muster about his life is to just call his father beast, Brian Cox data great job at a visceral all the people in his life to in various points of this season one where like even yesterday, what does he say the care Kokin you'd be working in a fuck at McDonald's. And you you you, you're nothing just goes around the room. It just crushes everybody, but he's kind of, right? Yeah, I do anything his sort of among many other complexes complex about the fact that he at least tells himself that he had to work for everything he got, and his kids didn't have to work for anything that they would use that against him that they would essentially decide that they were patient or that they didn't wanna play the game the way he laid out the rules because to him, everything is a game infuriates. Yeah. How would you compare this to the bus family. I mean, there's a parallels, right? Jeanie and shiver are little bit similar. Shaves gonna end up with this family. Safer session was just an anthology series. They could do the Lakers next season. That would be pretty amazing. Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah, just every year it's very big, rich family. Yeah. I thought it was gonna be on the billions corner and it's really not. I feel like they're two separate shows. I think they can live in two sub universes. I didn't like the pagoda crossover. Yeah, that was. Shared universe, the plane, succession share university done that there's some crucial differences. I don't think..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Slash Simmons fantasy football. All right. Another positive of the Trump presidency brought us succession on HBO crucially written before I think Trump took office at. I'm pretty sure for looking for wins and losses. We'd say only one we can really give him. I have a question starts off empire. Number one. Boy, you're my number one boy. Number one nephew. We're going to talk to the tail end of the podcast and we're gonna talk succession. So if you have not seen the final episode yet, feel free to come back. We want our feelings won't be a comeback after you after you hear it. Succession is rap season one a show that memorably. And almost without precedent got better every episode. Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know what like there's this collision of like it's going to be a soap soap opera meets veep meats. Like a like a law procedural every week or something, and they're working their way through it. But you can tell. I think the place to look to see turnover is when Roman like becomes a little. He's at one hundred two instead of one hundred and fourteen. Yeah. And then all of a sudden everything starts flowing. I've always had this theory was shows. I think I've talked about it before, and I think I've even talked to people who do TV shows about this before on this podcast, but I just can't remember them at the to my tongue. I think it takes about four to five episodes for the actors to totally understand what character they're playing because think about it. They, I mean, I assume this one, they just shot the pilot and then it either typically with the other shows that that's what happens. Yeah. So they, they read a script. They try to figure out what the character is. They do. The pilot the show gets picked up and now they're in the grind of they gotta do all these things. And I do think it takes a few episodes like Jeremy strong is somebody that I didn't like the first couple episodes by. The last five I thought he was lights out. I actually think that might have been his. His performance in the last episode might have been the single best performance of of anyone on the show that that was like an EMMY performance by. Oh, absolutely. And I love the idea that you know he didn't hang out with anybody in the cast. He was super method. Yeah, he'd he didn't rehearse any of the stuff in the last two episodes. So he would just walk in and do it. And he said that the the tears, I don't think the tier is in the script or something about that said that he got emotional and he started crying at the end with the dad. Yeah. You talk to the show runner. Jesse Armstrong. Did he realize the show is kind of taken off a little bit? I think he got the sense that it becomes something people were talking about a lot. He was actually a little bit more defensive about the first few episodes. I think he was like that wasn't like a tryout. We were laying the groundwork for what came later. Yeah, I think back to those first few episodes, a lot of the themes and a lot of of the character beets are there Tom and Greg dynamic? Is there at the softball game KENDALL being ignorance and going up and falling again. And again, and again is right there, so it's it's, it's pretty interesting the way in which he probably have used the show versus the way the audience does. I don't. There's very few shows that make cocaine seemed like something it'd actually be fun to do. I think that we find maybe after. Hey, Koga ULA bumper. Then all of a sudden he's in a river pulling a chap critic which they're in the car with the with the caterer guy. Yeah, who's zonked out on Kennedy driving is known to drive clutch, and I'm like. Car accident did not see the chat, then all of a sudden they're going toward the river. I'm like, oh, the champ acquitted. Yeah, it was great. You haven't really seen the Chappaquiddick move with the TV show. I think this the first time, but I thought that was interesting how they pulled that off because the entire addiction narrative with KENDALL is that they're basically aren't any consequences for someone that rich. Yeah, and they push it to essentially manslaughter. There aren't any consequences..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Slash Simmons fantasy football. All right. Another positive of the Trump presidency brought us succession on HBO crucially written before I think Trump took office. I'm pretty sure for looking for wins and losses would say only one we can really give him. I have a question starts off Meyer number one. Boy, you're my number one boy. Nephew. We're gonna talk. Does the tail end of the podcast and we're gonna talk succession. So if you have not seen the final episode yet, feel free to come back. We want our feelings won't be a comeback after you after you hear it. Succession is rap season one a show that memorably. And almost without precedent got better every episode. Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know what like if it was a pitcher, the stats. If you look at the game log, the game log would just become increasingly good until you got to the the final two. Warming up like this. I don't think why don't. I don't think we're used to show using a season as, hey, I'm gonna figure out the game in the first couple of episodes, and everybody's going to kind of be figuring out their character now that's probably a fallacy that they don't know the character going into the writing and Jesse Armstrong. The guy was created. It is very good at dispelling. People have a fallacies about writing, but you can tell there's this collision of like it's going to be a soap soap opera meets veep meats. Like a like a law procedural every week or something, and they're working their way through it. But you can tell. I think the place to look to see turnover is when Roman like becomes a little. He's at one hundred two instead of one hundred and fourteen. Yeah, and then all of a sudden everything's starts flowing. I've always had this theory was shows that I think I've talked about it before, and I think I've even talked to people who do TV shows about this before on this podcast, but I just can't remember them at the to my tongue. I think it takes about four to five episodes for the actors to totally understand what character they're playing because think about it. They, I mean, I assume this one, they just shot the pilot and then it either shows that that's what happens. Yeah. So they, they read a script. They try to figure out what the character is. They do. The pilot the show gets picked up and now they're in the grind of they gotta do all these things. And I do think it takes a few episodes like Jeremy strong is somebody that I didn't like the first couple of episodes of by. The last five thought he was lights out. I actually think that might have been his. His performance in the last episode might have been the single best performance of of anyone on the show that was like an EMMY performance by. Oh, absolutely. And I love the idea that you know he didn't hang out with anybody in the cast. He was super method. Yeah, he'd he didn't rehearse any of the stuff in the last two episodes. So he would just walk in and do it. And he said that the the tears, I don't think the tier is in the script or something about that. No, that he got emotional and he started crying at the end with the dad?.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"Moment that you how because they have that old relationship but likes does that they don't really faith that the opposite of what would happen. So that's, that's, that's that's how it field is if that, if that you trying to keep it open and meeting, how name in the whole time, tying tying that question into the finale obviously, I think we have Ellen rookes hall of fame real for when he goes down, but just the Connor who's you know, we're at the point with these characters and just a short season where we're excited for each of them to to, to take turn to show up on camera to have something to say, particularly to party, and you have so many great parties in this season. Connor suddenly deciding to run for president unim- and then having his platform being what it is. Does that emerge from a larger conversation you've had about the character and where his head might be, or does that come purely from the excitement of being in a room in pitching ideas and wondering where his journey is that episode knowing what you have in Ellen ruck and his performance a mix. You're a mean that won't. I mean, I couldn't imagine a vision where I guess I wrote that episode where I just three got in and then been, you know, this Landon. An another riot might do that in another episode, but we've not that was applause line that we, we'd be discussing for a long time. You know, you'll like ways amused us, and although it's quite a felt like, you know, the idea of somebody who's really done nothing one can do the biggest job, amusing some resonances maybe in a American life and so so that was that was a that that that won't actually this report line with probably opponent whiteboard all the way through we when we were like desperate to do and it was why what we, it feels like it just fits in here so so yeah, it's, that's. That's, that's. That's not just a casual throw away from. I mean, we always wanted to get in. I wanted to ask you, you obviously are all going to share what's going to happen in season two, but I'm more curious about this first season was obviously the feeding frenzy that happens when the great lion of this family is felled for at least two time the time being at least for the first sort of two thirds of the season or half of the season is an and I really enjoyed how each episodes you know, kind of felt like these people were imprisoned with with one another, whether it was in New Mexico or at a wedding or in a a a holiday dinner. It just they were brought together and we're almost inexpertly drawn to one another and yet repelled by one another at the same time. And I was curious whether or not there are structural tenets that you want to transport over from the first season to the second season, or are we going to continue to see these people in these gathering points? Or is there a little bit more of a spreading out happening if you could share anything about the second season? Yeah, I think you know, one kind of a thing I always knew when a pitch. Reg every will be a special, you know, always be a thing. I guess. You know, most shows for that feeling but into reflected in the fact that it's a family and among the first to do, but that's marriages. These things which bring them together and I can. We would be foolish to discount you know that thing you get, you know, from from from the proximity. So it's been fun to to take some characters, often revealing and truthful to that to have them go and do other stuff ball. I surprised if we didn't focus on family gatherings corporate gatherings, which will you know, happily, you're on happily happily for us on that for the characters also family gatherings. So yeah, I think, will we'll continue having those kind of events. Finally, I, I'm kicking myself in the time we had with you. I didn't give a special mention or question based around the performance of Sarah snoop is just incredible issue. Von possibly my favorite character. But I, I, I have to say as much as I am enjoying the dynamic between her and Tom, I think everyone listening understands that the real couple to do to ship on the show is Tom and cousin, Greg kids..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about his specific performance throughout the season. Well, I have unlimited time in respect to his performance. It's going to be a bit boring here. People just crave the people they've worked full because it just feel like cut him get to. Most people don't go to prefect work in the media much. Right to an indirect is do. So yeah, I, I, I guess, I guess I would like to say something thrillingly incisive about high, particularly brilliant. He is, but feel like I'm just going to gush the kind of we had such a nice time on the shoot kinda bullshit that you get when people talk about a nice on the show. So I guess I guess he's super committed. He's like a intellectually engaged with the material in new enu everything. The this guy would know he'd read all the books. He'd been to look the places he was, you know, somewhat method into of keeping appropriate distance mother, cast members and even writers and myself in terms of wanting to inhabit the the row. And so, yeah, you know, I was was he he's an incredibly small and brilliant actors. So so yeah, he, he, he, he in moment and like you say, with the, you know, when he when he. So of 'em in the confrontation with with his dad? I think hopefully we, we gave him good, good. I mean nation on the page Bob, like with really good performances. He he, you know, the the, there's an ice book of his work below the surface because he can't articulate throughout the throughout the season. But really in this final episode that incredible walkie dozen the beginning once he gets the bear hug letter the running back from the crash, the confrontation, and then the sort of coming to Logan as a son to a father. At the end, he's not doing a lot of the talking. He's processing, but Germany's such a elaborate performer, you can kind of see him running all these emotions just in his eyes. It's remarkable, you know, think new rotten you just put the camera on to that stuff and just and if it's bad, you get it, which is an Meghan. 'cause I wanted to talk to you Jesse little bit about how you like to work with your writers, how you build the architecture of these episodes because they are so. Expertly constructed and I, I am sure many of our listeners know, although some might not that you've all you've written for many shows in in in different genres and styles. You wrote one of the finest episodes of black mirror and entire history of you. You've worked with Amanda Nucci at length on peepshow and thick of it. So comedy-drama sci-fi in now this amazing hybrid of everything. Although with the rocket explosion, I guess there's no Sifi as of yet anyway, but just in terms of constructing the episodes, because I think about an episode like Australia's, which until the finale I think was my favorite of the season. You have this incredible on samba. Will you put them in tight very specific circumstances. And yet you find time for every character in every pairing to have value. Every scene adds something, whether.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"We're the ones where I realized why by this this is this is great. This is a great show to be on HBO because all the conversation that's been happening about, you know, when AT and t. buys the network is HBO going to be more like Netflix, is it going to start going for quantity over quality? This is a strong argument for what HBO CANDU onto fronts. One, this is not a show top line by movie stars. This is not a big get, you know, in terms of the trades, but this was cast immaculately and precisely with. Great care as someone who's going through casting right now, I marvel how they nailed every minor role, including all the major roles. This is the promise of TV show is that you meant your own star, MIT your own stars, and then you hold onto them. It's a large regular cast, and it's a large supporting and guest cast j Smith Cameron area Moya. They're not in the main cast and yet, but they're not going anywhere. And also they moved production of the show twice. It's not the show is based in New York. They filled in episode of New Mexico, and they filmed two episodes in a castle in England that looked like a castle in England. You can't make a show about the super rich without being able to show would super-rich would look like yet. Netflix could Bank roll that. Do you think this is an argument for what HBO can and should be doing in terms of, you know, th this is this is just so precisely done. This is not done by committee. I also thought that this show it did never mystery, which was refreshing. I think we've probably become a little bit dependent on mystery dinner in our television watching. Whether even if the mystery is will they are, won't they catch this person is like a pursuit, you know? Yes. Rewriting briar patch, wealth. And I think that this show showed what you could do if you really clearly and honestly looked at characters rather than either lionize them or excoriated them because I think one of the things that really dominates the way we talk about television. The way we talk about art these days is the likability of the characters, whether or not you approve of their behavior morally and what it really sort of presses you is that if you can see these people who are objectively bad for the world, they're not. There's not a single person in that group who is actually giving back to the planet in a significant way regardless of whatever charitable foundations they bankroll, even the person who you're like. I'm kind of pulling for KENDALL. It's not like he's trying to save people's jobs or create new ones. He's trying to be a tech brochure bag. Like that's his drew. Dream is to be like when they're like, what are you trying to do here? He's like I to be new. I wanna do new stuff and make new like he didn't even know he wants to shut down newspapers and local news station, and he wants to give it to video or in the like or whatever. Yeah, dude wants to pivot to video. Exactly. So. It tested viewers. Ed tested us. It asked US Open your mind a little bit. Try to think in not so binary terms of, I like this person or this person is the worst and really pursue it. It kind of reminded me of breaking bad in that way from although breaking bad spent a lot more time with the people who wound up being the villains as heroes. You know what I mean? I feel like you were built up. It's like KENDALL didn't have a tumor KENDALL didn't have to save his family, his family home, and he didn't have to like provide for a working mother and his son. It's like he, he's, this is just already like bullshit for him. No, the the details are actually the character learning details actually often go in the other direction which is to say on a much more basic, show the the loan interaction between Logan, ROY, and the waiter would not have been played the way it was the waiter maybe would've tried. To rob him or said something rude to him or been a, you know, ninety nine percent or something..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"He washes his hands thoroughly sort of rubs his eyes and exits the bathroom. And in that moment, I just felt complete zen with the universe and the universe of storytelling in television. Because what I felt in that moment was the complete synchronicity of a writing room of a creator of a director of a set designer. Crucially of an actor, an editor there obviously was conversation about how to play all those moments, but it didn't feel like there was any conversation. Didn't feel like there needed to be any conversation because everyone knew who this guy wasn't what to do with it. I love moments like that. But the KENDALL story of course is the story of the season, and it played out in so many astonishing ways because it was a slow motion car-crash except for the actual car crash because it was a series of terrible decisions because it felt both shocking and inevitable and throughout at all Jeremy. Strong's performance is steady, precise, astonishing and the direct. Shen captures him in a way that the show intends to capture them, which is to say he is a boy. Oh yeah, he is a Soviet. He ran away at least smash the way he ran away from that car accident is like the way a child runs just like kind of jogging with his arms moving really fast. You know, he may think that maybe that's supposed to be some sort of like still ship. Yeah, or some sort of, you know, twenty second century physical trainer showed him how to do it that way. But it reminded me I, I know that Dustin Hoffman is his favorite actors. Strong's favorite actor had actually reminded me a little bit of the gate. The Dustin Hoffman hasn't marathon man. Yeah, but in fact, it looked like a child running away. I thought that the the way in which KENDALL Shiv and Roman their wedding night was all very illustrative of their characters themselves. There is a degree to which those people are constantly putting themselves in and taking themselves out of the game. The great game that that Logan's talks about like completely, you know, he's all game. I want you back in. Yeah. And Roman is ten generally involved, but it's like he's looking at it through a phone, you know? And when it explodes, he's only interested in how whether or not he got burned whether or not somebody died and that the conversations that he has with Jerry where she's just like my phone is wrong, like forty times in the last twenty. And he's just like, weird. I don't know why they haven't gotten in touch with. It's corporate men's. Just a couple of foams he doesn't ever get dirty. You know what I mean? And that's what allows him to be this princeling above it. All everything is bullshit. I have a personality disorder shit bag and KENDALL over and over again exposes himself. And that's why he gets destroyed. I also really liked the fact that KENDALL is not a damaged genius. He is not Jim Carroll in the basketball diaries. He's not even Jesse pink. Ben really, who has a lot of potential if only he could get clean, apply himself. He's a guy who essentially can't handle the world, which is what happens to a lot of people who are addicted to drugs. It's they use it because they can't handle the world necessarily. Also cuddled rich defense it. It's a, it's a, it's a threat. But I think that there's probably similarities between what happens to KENDALL on what happens to a person making thirty five thousand dollars year. You know, I think it's, I think that there's coping mecca. 'isms for the ordinary stresses, and you could see that both in celebrating and defeat KENDALL return to drugs, you know, he wanted to celebrate winning the bear hug and getting it across the line. And then he needed to, you know, he needed to keep going down as the dread built that his father was going to mount a defense. You know, the person who kind of knows how to play it. Best of all ship should fucking ROY. You know what I mean? Who even on our wedding night is unflappable in any different direction and is able to handle the fallacy of her marriage..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"And I think I still think Austerlitz was maybe the best episode of the. Season, but I'm not so sure. After this finale the the die, the curve of this season was up and up and triumphant and I am my jaws on the floor. After this episode, this is phenomenal, phenomenal episode of television, and I wanna talk about the heartbreak of the KENDALL seen. I wanna talk about the hilarity of Connor. I wanna talk about failed rocket launches. That's Ron start because he, here's what I. I've been thinking a lot about you. You and the rest of the crew of the ringer put together this absolutely spectacular package of the best episodes of the century. I'm sure you know, people will check it out last week. They'll continue to check it out. I've obviously been thinking a lot about television to in process of trying to make it. And one of the things I've been thinking a lot about is how serialized television is accumulated medium. It's additive. Every episode gives you the chance to build on top of what was laid down before, and what's always been thrilling to me about this is that it is a cumulative medium for the. The audience for the creators and writers for the actors who are learning more and more and having more of a base to build on over the course of one season or multiple. So we talk about how shows teaches how to watch them all the time. And I think that the goal when everything clicks, the goal is when circumstances are surprising or even shocking, but the behavior and the reactions of characters feels inevitable the that's not the same as it being predictable. What it means is the choices that are made feel so true in baked in because of everything. All the track that's been laid down before joined in there for just a second actually. Sure. Because I think that the best example of what you're talking about is that you don't have to be a television expert or watch a ton of dramatic TV necessarily. But anyone who's ever known anyone who has addiction problems or struggled with addiction problem solve says known that the KENDALL moment has been coming ever since he walked into that bar New Mexico? Yeah, ever since he asked for a non. Alcoholic beer and they didn't have one. This is what was the going to be the end result of this season. And it was really just a matter of how bad was the collateral damage is going to be, and it actually turned out to be as bad as it can possibly be. You're talking about hitting bottom. He literally hit the bottom of a pond, you know, and so someone there. Yeah. And so that was to see the patients and to see them play that both for frankly, laughs at certain times. Like in Prague, I think that there was a lot of comedy derived from cocaine is funny like when you when you film it and do it in certain ways, like in in television, it's like a funny triggers funny moments in shows and movies. It's also just absolutely destroyed. It's destructive. It will kill you. And if it doesn't kill you, it can devastate everything around you and to watch that arc down was exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. And I, I want to specifically, I I wanted to talk about there's a micro moment amac Roman. You've you've correctly identified the macro of this, the slow, slow devastation of KENDALL and to your point about how the drugs work. One of the one of the many brilliant choices made in the course of the storytelling was that he didn't flame out about every time he did align or every time he upped reupped his tumbler of whatever the whiskey was that they were drinking. It doesn't work like that. He had a fun time and he had a bad time and they had an okay time in mostly he was still the same guy, but fraying at the edges. And then all of a sudden the bottom fell out. The moment I was I was building to in the micro in this episode was Roman in the bathroom with a rocket launch. He watches it insci- he reacts in silence..
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"Boy, it's degree. Soon, man, Andy, we are here to talk about the finale of succession season one, and we're also going to be talking with the creator of the show Jesse Armstrong and a little bit. So it's really exciting. Let's just jump right into it. Man, we give this show the belt last week. It retained that that championship with its finale. I wanted to just say off off the top. You know, we did this best TV episodes of of the century package last week. Obviously, I've graphic a lot about pilots and finales and bottle up sodas and all the different kinds of ways in which you know these inflection points. We typically look for for a season, and I think that there was a lot of pressure on succession as people started getting more and more into it after the first few episodes and got a lot of fans that caught up with it after those few episodes and word of mouth started spreading. And so I think that there was a little bit of pressure even if it was already done obviously to see where the show could go and whether the show could expand what a contract with anything, what would be the major turning point? And I have to say that I don't really remember finale that felt so final and also opened up a world of possibilities like this. It doesn't do something like lost where it's like there's a hatch. There's not another company that we get introduced. Do they didn't enter introduce some huge twist. Eight just kind of shows the long term business. As usual rat fucking that goes on in that company and in that family and I couldn't help, but think of the side, Carrie Bradshaw I couldn't help, but think of the the softball game in the beginning and the boy that Logan, ROY, they bring on to complain the softball game, and then they pay off to forget about it. 'cause Roman offered a million dollars. Yes. And I thought about like the way that something that's good can also be absolutely toxic, you know, and it really came through with the KENDALL storyline I would is obviously the main sort of thrust unless you wanna talk about Conroy twenty twenty. Alan rook has his whole family now when it's time for Hooper's town and God bless him for that. Here we go. This is this is what I have to say. Here we go. This is a TV show that is built for twenty eighteen and beyond. This is a TV show that is built for the short term and the long-term episode stood on their own. There were there were certainly high points within the episode like writing. This is a season as you said that could stand on its own. You could walk away after the end of this, but you don't have to. It is a remarkable remarkable success story, and I'm ready now to turn the page on making the are making the case that you know it was a slow starter that it built after three, four, five episodes found its voice that this is a show that is it is completely rare. These days. I didn't used to be rare, but it is rare at this moment in time in television for its curve to mirror Kendall's heart rate after a late night visit with Stuart, if goes up and up and up and up..
Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald unpack the season finale of Succession
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
"McKay joins us on ESPN radio. Now you executive produced this with will Ferrell. What does that mean in terms of your involvement. Yeah. Well, we get a, we have a company, Gary Sanchez productions. So every episode kind of, you know, every show or movie, we does kinda, we do it kind of varies. So in this case I was heavily involved. I directed the pilot was involved in casting the show giving notes on scripts working with Jesse Armstrong, the show's creator, like, you know, pretty heavily. I, I love this one. It is. It's just, I'm I'm curious as you're doing it though, do you realize you're making something special. You know it, it's, you know, it's feeling good once that Cass came together. I knew we had a great script right from the jump. But really when I could tell was when the next episode started coming in and I'm watching them to give notes. And instead I'm just starting to watch him like, oh my God, I can't wait to see this. That's what I knew it was. Good, doesn't always happen. What's that? How often does that happen? I was just about to say that doesn't happen very often. They're, you know, usually you're looking at it from a work point of view, and then sometimes like six months later, you'll get into it. But this one was immediately each episode I was looking forward to the rough cut coming in and seems like what you were about to say after that first question was you deserve credit for this show being success and listen. I'm good with that. I'm proud. You actually like we're friends but max credits year, right? Yeah. Awkward thing to say about yourself, a little cocky. I should be right in the middle of all. This should be part. So how is that going over in terms of feedback, it must be very fulfilling and make you feel great pride, like who are some of the people coming out and telling you in a way that's flattering, man, dude, you, you hit a home run. Yeah, you get you get emails from people. You get emails for friends. You can always tell we all have those couple of friends who don't give it up very often. In fact, most of the time you can feel them judging you from a distance and. When you get those emails and I got a couple of those. I knew like, all right. The people that you're like this guy or this woman stingy with a compliment. I can't do that. Got those. You got those friends. We all know him. You could see a new episode of succession. This Sunday, ten pm on HBO always a difficult thing to ask somebody, but where does this rank in terms of things that you're proud of? Like professional speaking. Well, you know, when you directing is so intimate, you're involved in every single second of it from conceptual writing and directing. So every movie you direct is like crazy, you're involved in it, but this is a pretty high up there. This is great from the producing side, you know, producing hard. 'cause it's like trying to steer a car from the back seat a little bit. And this is one of the best, and it also goes back to the lesson of when you're gonna produce produce with great writers. Jesse Armstrong is a great writer. It makes life much much easier. You know we did eastbound and down as well like that one a lot. And those guys were really talented. So yeah, this is pretty high up there. I'm loving it when I love about it too. Is it? So of the moment, you know, we were making it. We doing my tech scout on the pilot day after Trump got elected, and you know, regardless of what you think about him, it's pretty clear. He has no problem promoting a child or two, and there's definitely that kind of family stuff going on. And it was like as rough day as it was. The day after we still knew that we were doing a show that was about what's going on with these family dynasties like the Murdoch's Trump's the cokes. So that part of it too makes it extra satisfying. Again, this is the man who gave you anchorman anchorman put it on the poll by the way, lebatardshow anchorman is a hall of Famer. Comedy hall of fame. We're asking early on the alley, dodge ball is dodgeball. A comedy hall of Famer according to Adam McKay. God, I don't know how many you got in the hall of fame is it you have like. McKay, it's your as you want or choice.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Daily
"The perfect time to start streaming the new drama series succession on hbo from adam mckay director of the big short and writer jesse armstrong comes the story of the roy family owners of one of the biggest media companies in the world when family patriarch logan decides he's not quite ready to retire his adult children scheme to make the decision for him succession or sundays at ten pm and you can watch the first three episodes now on streaming and on demand platforms only on hbo swim wear is someone like jose's father taken after he separated from his son say father was most likely transferred to a detention center near the border where he would wait until his court hearing where he would be criminally charged for entering the country illegally and i was there the other day at one of these hearings actually in what actually happens in these hearings the one you attended how the day start a busload of detainees arise at a court everyone is shackled shuffles off the bus and into a building where they're allowed to meet with attorneys who have been assigned to them the attorneys who are spanish speakers explain what will happen during the hearing what the options are for someone like jose's dad and typically the migrant will choose to plead guilty then the first seven defendants file into this room they line up in front of the judge many of them are still in this kind of dusty sweaty garb that they were wearing when they made the journey they look dazed weary kind of resigned to their fate their heads are kind of drooped and many of them actually just finished their journey across the desert that morning and been apprehended and brought in it's not clear and the judge begins he says good afternoon tells them is name and something like you're being represented by a lawyer at no cost to you because you're charged with a criminal offence of illegal entry new turns to the lawyers the lawyers stands behind each one of the seven migrants and ask councils have your clients made a decision to waive their rights trial and entered guilty pleas the lawyers respond in unison yes on then the judge goes down the line utters each migrants name and asked if sheer he pleaded guilty and they're hearing the proceedings through headsets there's an interpreter in the room and each one says see number one says the number two to the down to number seven in the line who says see heating yes i've plead guilty to this offense and what is going on here i haven't encountered a court scene like this ever what is going on is that the government is trying to quickly hold hearings for folks who have been apprehended at the border and their large numbers of them it's time consuming and expensive to do individual hearings so they do what critics call assembly line justice this is kind of like a factory of migrants coming through right it's like rapid fire proceeding where you're seven then another seven and then seven more and by the end of it ninety minutes or less later seventy four migrants had pleaded guilty to entering in the united states illegally is this a new phenomenon what you observed in this courtroom it's actually not a new phenomenon it's known as opperations streamline launched by the bush administration in two thousand and five as a deterrent to illegal crossing it's not clear that it worked as a deterrent but it sure speeded up the judicial process and the obama administration keeps the program operation streamline functioning but for the most part i'm told by immigration attorneys first time offenders are spared under the trump administration's zero tolerance policy this practice is back in full swing and first time offenders are being hauled into court and large numbers to handle those large numbers courts and some parts of the country like texas have up to forty people in a courtroom all at once miriam i'm struck by how almost like i like this this whole proceeding that you're describing his because it has all the trappings of normal court hearings except it's being applied at such an astonishing scale to sue many people simultaneously it doesn't really resemble anything we've come to think of american justice exactly that's the reason why critics say that this assembly line justice undermines due process but this administration is determined to pursue this and in.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"Shot in the style of and comes to us via adam mckay and it's shot in the style of big short even though jesse armstrong is largely like creditors like the creator writer showrunner person and one of the criticisms of the big short was that the people who your quote unquote cheering for could also be described as if not culpable for the crash at least giant beneficiaries of it and they're somber kind of like we'll be really did that i still think about like the christian bale character that end card for him that he's shorting the water market basically now as like this chilling kind of like to what end you know and we're supposed to sort of be into it because he he was right but at the same time it's like did any of these guys do enough to stop it and is at the very fact that they can short this thing part of the problem with this doesn't do that which again might be something that's almost consciously often like you bring up the camera work which is very jittery and held weirdly the showed reminded me the most of his friday lies petersburg i'm literally roy on the improv or is this just really well written and then improv and then written again or like it was it has that like it it's it's a very interesting style but even like the color palette it's not glossy like billions is glowing and everything is weight or technicolor and you just get lost in this world in the camera movements very confident sort of not static but not like hand held the way succession is and i feel like that goes towards making this not aspirational but then what you're just left with at least a start is these like incredibly loathsome people like kendall just has this gaping hole of insecurity kieran culkin is being here in culkin the sister i actually think she's the most compelling although like nicknaming someone shiv which i'm not acceptable for chevanton.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on Vox's The Weeds
"Of the situation as actually trying to solve it at all i'm shocked i wanna hear as long as we're talking about immigration today i want to hear like what's up on the let's say let's say another break 'cause there's big congressional congressional action maybe maybe hbo has a new drama series out it's called succession that they're sponsoring our show so this show it's from adam mckay who's the director of the big short and from jesse armstrong was the waiter in the loop these are two great movies that touch on of business and politics they're really great films both of them and if you haven't seen them should and if you have them you know how exciting it is that they're collaborating together that's what they're working on succession it's the story of the family the owners of one of the biggest media companies in the world then when family patriarch load indices not quite ready to retire his adult children fight to figure out where they fit setting the board rooms penthouse apartments in new york city succession floors power politics money family cut for corporate world obsession airs sunday nights ten pm and it's only eight check it out vox com has just launched a new show on netflix it's called explained in every episode is a fifteen minute deep dive into one important topic the episode that we saw this week is about k pop korean popular music it's all about how pop became a global phenomenon it's not like the most weeds e topic but it is fascinating it's really interesting we're this outcomes from in the sort of different culture of music making and music production around cape bob groups that call them idol groups in korea and it's just like a fascinating difference from how i think americans think about bands and think about music and it really helps explain like how they become so successful not just in korea but globally it's also just like really funny really stylish really great show i've always loved vox videos on youtube on netflix just like everything is bigger everything is even better it's really cool it's really interesting go find netflix search for vox or you can go straight to netflix dot com slash explained okay so tara you're you're a person.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show
"Blacks had been so severely segregated in those areas it was really easy to destroy those red lines and the other racists had already started assimilating and it was harder actually to to assimilate blacks because of the racial hierarchies that we have so bank of italy like i said it it gets into this fha loans right in so talents are able to get these loans abroad and these are soldiers coming back from fighting in wars and in black holders are also coming back but not not getting the loans and bank of italy sort of expands all through california and and it becomes bank of america so bank of america today is what bank of italy is and it reflects sort of what happened with other with the italians themselves with irish and to some extent with jimmy not to say that we don't we certainly have a lot of antisemitism that happens but those wealth mechanisms were opened to some of these groups and and they never were for blacks there's a new drama series on hbo it is called succession and it is from here's the important thing it is from adam mckay director of the big short which is the single best quasi fictional quasisurreal fund skits movie about the financial crisis that has ever been done or imagine and in the loop writer jesse armstrong succession follows the story of the roy family owners of one of the biggest media companies in the world when family patriarch logan decides he is not quite ready to retire his adult children fight to figure out where they fit in it said in the four rooms and penthouse apartments of new york city it explores power politics money and family and the corporate world it airs sunday nights ten pm only on hbo but again it is by adam mckay and jesse armstrong like these are the people who are good at writing about power about media about politics about finance so this is a show i am personally extremely excited for again succession sunday nights ten pm only so many great things are on hbo.
"jesse armstrong" Discussed on The Watch
"Things we're really excited about a few things that are coming up we're we're just chit chat and today but i wanted to mention that in a couple next couple of days we'll have obviously push a t we're going to talk about this a bit is coming out tonight this thursday solos coming out essentially tonight we'll do a podcast on that next tuesday we want you to enjoy your memorial day weekend we wall so obviously hit the finale of killing eve on that tuesday and then one thing that i'm very excited about talking about is succession hbo yeah where are you with us let's very very pro very pro i'm interested have you watched the screeners yet no yet there yeah it's i'm glad to hear that so very good the the the resume of the show is interesting adam mckay produced it jesse armstrong guy's name who's written for veep wrote this and it's hbo's it's the first one that's gotten to screen they've been trying to do a kind of a milch script called money that was floating around a couple of years ago that is i think a little bit more little darker than this one as you might imagine yeah but is basically the story of a murdoch esque media family an empire and how the father is gonna divide up this empire and if he is going to divide it up at all and that's what this this one's about this as a great cast as brian cox has kieran culkin jeremy strong sarah snook yeah i guess my only take on it i'm i'm gonna watch it i'm glad you hear so good i've sort of felt like it's a little seems tone deaf in a way just because see these posters everywhere of like a rich family and i just feel like culturally i don't know if that's what i wanna watch right now no i wanna watch my kids grow up in a world where they have security where no i mean i wanna for gercy just wanna just wanna relax.