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Rock and Roll Librarian: No One Here Gets Out Alive - The Biography of Jim Morrison
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I guess well world lightweight champion middleweight. You mean they may be Bantam. May Be back in the World Bantamweight Champion of rock and Roll Librarians. Shelly Sorenson. Hey how you doing? I coach somebody now. Yeah well you should have about some smack in you do some W. w. e. smack. I'm sorry you can't do that. That's why I'm a lightweight. Oh yeah okay all right. We don't want you to get too far out of your comfort zone. Yeah all right so this is kind of a bit of a continuation for something that we started with another Pantheon. Podcast host. Let it rolls. Nate Wilcox Shelley and I were on. Nate's show here to talk about Well Celli tell us what we talked about. We talked about this book. I have here in front of me which I'm going to dive into much deeper today. That's right it's called. No one here gets out alive which I always want to say. No one gets out of here alive so I have a problem with the title already. Anyway you don't like the poetic license of Doan here here gets out alive lows much better. It's the biography of Jim. Morrison the doors as told by his young plucky. Assistant Danny sugarman. Yes and a rolling stone writer Jerry Hopkins who brought the credibility in the bud. Typing chops his typist. No I don't think he'd appreciate that. I know But you know what I mean. So yeah him in Danny together Dan. Danny's a firsthand experiences of Working from the doors from a very young age And seeing all of the rock and roll mayhem In disturbances in just plain wacky doodle craziness that occurred with. Mr Morrison in his Short twenty-seven years on this planet Yeah and when you say young than and people know that day at Twelve Oh us twelve twelve when he started working for them opening fan mail. Yeah I wish I could get that job and I don't think I would have been a safe job for me anyway. Yeah so you know. It's certainly an interestingly written book I would say yeah And we will dive into it but let's Let's give everybody a flavor of Mr Morrison and of course You know The band the doors At consisting of robby. Krieger Guitar John. Dinsmore on drums. And the man who needs no introduction the backbone of the the act of Raymond Ceric yes. That's how you say his name by the way man's Rick Manzarek. Yeah okay. Yeah or man's Eric. I guess some people but I always I. I was always taught. It was man's Eric. I'd like to hear him. Say it though. Well that's not gonNA happen. 'cause he's dead. Yeah I'm sure I could find something on Youtube pure young. Well what what is it that to me? That's always the test is how do you of course go right? So let's get into it and start with a song. Just one's pretty well known it may not be their most famous and we'll get to those in a bit but it definitely Puts them on the map from the first album. Led US here little love back door man by the doors We're back a well if rock and roll is in its essence opposed to be primal and emotional. Think you're getting that from the opening notes. That song and the lyrics to kind of I mean yeah. Wasn't there some talk about what the lyrics mean. Exactly I mean in blues would mean a back door. Mail me about the guy who comes to the back door when the husband is gone you know that is the sexual kind of us. Yeah Anal Sex. Yes that Two is You know part of the charm of that saw back charming charming. Yeah Librarian Right. So but yeah yeah you can interpret it Either way but yes Originally you know an old blues tune being that It is that when the when the husband's away the player comes in the back door. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah all right. So let's start at the beginning. Yeah I think a lot of people probably now that Jim was born into a military family. His father was a career naval officer and his mother was the perfect military wife And they moved around a lot of course because that's what Military brats you know that your life. He had a younger brother and sister. He had an early show of resentment toward authority. I think his character was pretty well from the beginning. You know that he had some issues that maybe these days we might have sent him to family therapy about. But that's not what happened. And when I read about how he treated his younger brother. And and you know that he was like at one point loving and And fine and on the other end of the spectrum kind of a torturer and teaser and played pranks on his brother and kind of you know terrified him. I suppose. That's what a lot of older brothers do but So what sounds a little bipolar to me? Yeah and I think that's a theme that goes through. This book is like yes he was a. you know. We'll get into that more but he was. You know a risk taker and You know love danger and he took a lot of drugs and he was an alcoholic but on the other hand he could be kind and gentle and loving and generous. And all that so well you could also You know with a bottle Jack. Walk Half Naked Down Hollywood Boulevard Yellen the N. Word so luckily after and he continued that way throughout school. He was a big tease he. He subjected his friends and girlfriends to sometimes bitter and cruel jokes stunts but he was still popular people gravitated towards him and he was very smart and very well read. He read a lot of poetry and I think that's also well known that he was extremely intelligent and he also liked what they called in that day race records and Blues and spirituals and beat Knicks. Jack Works On the road one of his favorite books touchdown yeah and he lived in the bay area for the San Francisco Bay area for a little while when his family moved here and Probably Alameda? Yeah and came into the city and frequented city lights bookshop and you know loved all that kind of stuff and then he attended junior college in Florida for a little while when his his family lived there and One thing that I find interesting about his classes that he took in college he took a class on collective behavior which was included the psychology of crowds which later helped him in his performing so he was in talking to classmates at that time he said I can look at a crowd. We can cure it. We can make love to it. We can make it riot so as early as you know eight age eighteen. He was already thinking about that. Kind of thing You know how to control people in an audience basically and then the kind of big deal started when he got into film school at Ucla. Sixty Four. That's where he meets. Ray Yes he meets Ray. There Ray is also a film student and it was during what they call now. Call the Golden Age so there were top directors. You know this is Los Angeles. This is like Hollywood nearby and they have one of the students was Francis. Ford Coppola for example. Yeah experimentalism was just starting to come to Hollywood You know the French and Italians have been doing it for a decade before that. But I know Jim especially was interested in in the experimental type of filmmaking and to your point some of these Ah Tours that you know have become household names like Francis Ford Coppola George. Lucas obviously From UC UC and several others. That were in had click. You know all were coming of age At the same time. Yeah though apparently he was even more experimental than other people you know in his class and that were around that time because for his His final or his project. He had a film a film that was questioning the film process itself. A film about a film. A montage of abstract and loosely connected events and he was given a complimentary de apparently. It wasn't really appreciated by the teachers and he was hurt by the rejection and almost didn't graduate. He left school right before graduation but what's talked back into graduating by a teacher. You know who said no you come on your this close finish it. Yeah you got two more weeks. Let's but he never. He never went back to get his diploma. Yeah and Yeah when he met Ray Ramos actor was the last known actual address Jim Ever had was There on the dorms of UCLA in Westwood must. Yeah so he meets. He meets Ray at that time and ray was in a band already called Rick and the Ravens in Santa Monica and his band had been hired to backup sunny and share at a high school. Graduation dance dry thought was very funny. And one of the members quit suddenly an in the contract. It said that they had to have six people on stage. So gyms first time on stage. I guess he said Jim. You gotta be in our band. Be THERE AT SIX THIRTY. We just need a body. Yeah and he said but I don't play anything ray and race it. That's okay all you have to stand there and hold an electric guitar. We won't even plug it in some of us. Wish we could do our debut you get paid in Hollywood guy Fake it till you make it right. That wasn't like really the beginning of their musical career together. Now came apart famously Hooked up again one day In advertently in the beaches of Venice ran which was where Jim moved to after after he got out of school. And did I think you know a lot of couch surfing? But he began to write when he was in Venice he created in a burst of enlightenment more material in less time than he ever would again and Jim says those first five or six songs I wrote. I was just taking notes about a fantastic rock concert that was going on inside my head. I love that idea. You when you hear how people write songs You know everybody has a different story about how they access the Muse for example. Yeah I mean I guess he just like had this fantasy life inside his head and so that was in nineteen sixty five and he wrote the words to hello. I love you about a girl. He saw on the beach and also soul kitchen dedicated to a small soul food restaurant near the Venice Arcade which they were inspired by ordinary events but had interesting twists like common themes and visions of death and insanity. And so let's listen to hello. I love you pop fodder remember that one being visions of death and insanity in it but you know Hello. I love believe funeral pyres. Oh yeah that's right. Our level become tire. Yeah there you go so yeah you know. It's it sounds like a cute song in. You're like oh he's just sees this girly. It's cute on the beach and then he's in love with her. I remember being an elementary school in thinking like that was really really funny line. Hello I love you. Won't you tell me Your name? I just thought that was hysterical. And you know. And that's part of the dichotomy of the doors is you know. Sometimes the music is seems light and airy and And then you know lyrically you dive in and go. Oh all right. So let's let's play a little of Hello Comma. I love you I love you. Won't you tell me pin down game? I love you. Won't you tell me jump in? Walk down the line where you can't there's no bass guitar on the track it's strictly Ray In his left hand Doing Doing the baselines that just blows me away. I don't understand how you can have a band without a base. But they did. They did well some of the songs. Yeah yes they Quite a few have actual bass players most famously Carol Kaye and others Jerry Chef Yeah was another one that did lost up for them So but Yeah I mean the thought was Well we don't need an add another Person Because Ray can handle the base with his left hand. Special working Well that people use them all the time now but Columbia. I think provided him with a an instrument at the time that was possibly newish. That had really good based on it so he just like okay do that. Yeah Yeah and you know. Did it create a little bit of a unique Sonic Palette For the doors and between that and dens Moore's jazz influences in his drumming and Kruger's Lament Coats Style Guitar That would show up every once in a while. These guys are way better than a lot of people. Give him credit for it. There's there's there's a lot of snobbery when it comes to the doors of which I don't understand a lot of people just equate the doors with Jim Morrison. Yeah Yeah and don't listen to what's going on behind it while I think Jim is deserving as well for what he was able to convey I mean to me. He's really the first real dark character in rock and roll and unlike others that come. Afterwards like Alice Cooper You know Marilyn Manson everybody in between You know this was really authentic. I I think this was really his psychology coming out as a character. Yeah so but But yeah cool song to to kind of show the beginnings of the doors. They're yeah and speaking of Ray and playing the bass with his left hand They hooked up again on the beach of Venice. And so when during that encounter? Jim told Ray that he'd been writing songs. Any started singing and Acapella of version of the first verse from Moonlight Drive. And Ray said those are the greatest fucking song lyrics I've ever heard. Let's start a rock and roll band and make a million dollars in gyms. That's what I had in mind all along. Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure what What you just read out of. The book is Word for word in the dollar stone movie of From the both Raanana gyms meeting there on the sands of Venice. Yeah I remember seeing that movie and just coming away and pretty much. Utter Disgust But oh really. Yeah I mean because the author of I think as Jerry Hopkins at the end of the book says you know that after the book came out a lot of people wanted to make a movie and Oliver Stone got the rights and that is depiction of Morrison was mainly only as the alcohol extremist. The drug SCHLUB. Yeah and then infuse it with any of the balancing kind of human aspects of gym. I mean that makes sense to me. Then I had this impression of Jim Morrison all these years as a boob. I mean I don't have much better impression of him now. But you know that's okay. I mean a disclaimer. I've never been doors fan but I've been a huge doors fan. I mean they were. They were pretty Central to my upbringing When it comes to music so all right let's play a little bit of Mnay DR Through the ADS TURN SLEEP. Stew know our well first of all that guitar on. That is really cool. I like that. I what I read was when Robbie. Krieger joined the band. He played bottleneck guitar as in addition to Flamenco and all the different styles that he learned Jim was so enamored of his bottleneck that he wanted him to play on all of the songs but of course he didn't do that. One boy do that again but anyway. I really liked that. Interestingly I just want to add one more thing that this was this song was on the first Set of Demos. They ever recorded before even lobby. And Jim I mean in John Were in the band recorded this with raise. Brothers and as a demo in it didn't go anywhere. Oh Yeah uh-huh interesting. Well let's let's also talk about the lyrics on their which impressed Ray so much you know. Let's swim to the Moon? Let's climb through the tide. Penetrate the evening that the city sleeps to hide. Let's swim out tonight love. It's our turn to try parked beside the ocean on our moonlight. Drive Pretty fucking good. I I don't think I ever like really heard the lyrics and I heard that song. Well now you have. That's thank you and a poetry reading. Yes because I know how much you like poetry with music behind it. I guess you know I was named after a poet and I still not really big into poetry. So weren't you yeah I believe the author of Frankenstein's husband? That's right Mary. Shelley's husband is actually the poet. Your name for it is true. I am Mr. Shelly Mr Percy Percy. Bish all right. Let's get back to this yes okay so At at this time he started doing everything he could think of to alter his consciousness and open the doors of perception. I know what's coming now being break on through to the other side. Take the highway to the end of the night. Visit Weird scenes inside the Gold Mine and ride the snake. He started gobbling acid and he wrote his family to tell them he was in a group and seeing his father was stunned and wrote a letter of strong objection in. Jim Never wrote his again yet. There probably wasn't a good idea Admiral Yeah I give them a little bit of support But yes so. He's doing all these things to kind of expand his consciousness and they finally get a house band Gig at a small club on the sunset strip less than fifty yards from the whisky a Gogo and the first night. No one showed up so that was a good place for them to get used to performing even though when Jim was not a natural no and and he apparently had a weak voice to start with he just needed his confidence and he would present his back to the audience who was very shy. Hard to imagine speaking from experience Yeah yeah it takes a little bit to get out there and open yourself up to the ANSA. Yeah it really does. I would think about that. Do it seems kind of natural. Yeah Yeah They were near the whiskey ago and they used to go down during breaks in their act and go to the whiskey ago and watch the headliners. They had great aspirations to be as big as the band love. Oh yeah which was very popular in those days Right Arthur. Right and they expanded their repertoire. just as they were being fired at the other club called the London fog they were asked to fill in at the whisky for Somebody that didn't show up or something and the woman who was the booker at the whisky really liked them and ask them to come back for a couple of months. They were fired at least once a week which I liked And Jim was already bringing drugs on stage. He was already getting really drunk. He was already like not showing up because he was too drunk to You know to perform But by this time they started playing the song the end at first very nicely written song about faded love which became eventually something quite different as we know that in performance art fashion you know he started embellishing on the song and it became one of the most provocative and shocking songs that they ever did. Now I still one of the most shocking things right ever ever put the vinyl Famously used in Apocalypse now and others Have employed that I believe it is like an eight minute song if I remember right No I'm sorry it's almost twelve minute song And we can't play the whole thing but obviously we should probably play the Most shocking part of it when you think. I think that's a good idea that's prepare the audience. It's based on the EOPLE apple. Myth please please. Yes go ahead. Oh that's all you WANNA do it. People I think a lot of people know what happens. but maybe they don't But I don't know if we can play the whole thing we tell them about it afterwards though. Okay okay. So here is The important part of the end it went into the room where sister live paid a visit to his brother. Walked on down your yes I want to kill you true yeah. He had a complicated relationship with his mother. I remember the first. I remember the first time I heard that song and I probably heard a bunch of times before I sussed out the lyrics here and was like Oh shit yeah okay I'm not sure what to do with that information now so it was It was I mean think about that. This is nineteen sixty seven. That's amazing that they could get away with us now. Of course there's really wasn't a radio cut. It was way too long for that at that time but once fan got a hold of it. Oh yeah they played the whole thing and You know he. He hid the The offending word. Yes yeah pretty. Well listen to and I was like you know you're like oh I guess you saying that I mean but obviously he was and Interestingly at the whisky a go go you often you know like I said he couldn't show up for a sad because he was too drunk and ray woods sing the songs instead and on the night that he only made the second set. That's when he stretched this song to include those words. I don't think the other band members knew what he was gonNA do. You know they were just like. Oh what's happening? Now is totally out of our control and we just need to keep on playing. You know this was the song that propelled him into pop mythology Yeah and they yeah. They were banned from performing at the whisky after that. Oh again highlighted in the Oliver Stone movie of them performing this and then you know getting thrown out to buy some beefy club. Honor looking dude Because of that but at the same time you know the cats from electro in the audience and so they mean race. Snap THEM UP. Yeah I was going to say unluckily. They were banned from performing at the whisky. But they got a record contract and The producer was hall Rothschild and produce their first album which was called the doors and they were able to get a similar sound to that of playing at the whiskey. The name taken directly from Aldous Huxley Adores Reception. Right and they got their first gig in New York City at that time The writers say all the top groupies came And somebody did a lot of promotion for them. You know to try like spread. The word like the booking person at the whisky got a fourteen year old girl for example to call her girlfriends and ask them to call the whiskey to ask when the doors would be back. You know just to hype them up and kind of make them more desirable. I was going to say one table. Okay that's not a word So I think they did this similar thing in New York City. You know it's like Oh this lead singer is like really hot and you know all the girls should come and see this band so their first single with Elektra on the first album was break on through and they had to edit the She get high to. What is it on the record? She get she gets they. Don't actually ever say hi. Kinda says he in the same way that he kinda hides fuck yeah he heights high But I I didn't. I didn't know that was an issue on the record. I know it's an issue when they perform at Sullivan right of which he was told not to. He agreed not to and he pulled this Castelo. Yeah he well he just looked right in the camera and just went for it. No hiding But yeah break on through. That's a great song so can have to play a little. Yeah let's play. I like the onto Guys are nine ninety nine today. Do the old which case dog tragedy. It's so it's a little garage you know sounding but you know it's got those you the vocal where where it's it's over driven a little bit and it's it's it's probably pagan the needles. Just just a little bit. Give it this really raggedy rough quality to it and And then there's you know great work by dense more great work by Krieger Obviously Manzarek is awesome. It's just you know I can see why even though there's probably better song on that album to be a single which ended up being giant hit I can see why they picked that one to be the first single off the yes. The doors wanted to make light my fire. Yeah that's that's the obvious choice while they did end up doing radio so but But yeah I mean. That's the obvious choices. Light my fire which does become a massive Hit An overnight sensation If you will I and a Panda. You know famously. By Robert Robby. Krieger and the first song he ever wrote that. Wow imagine that your first song you ever wrote. That would be pretty cool. Yeah cool yeah so I think we need to play a little of that. What what are you sure? Here's light my fire. It would be untrue. Would be before was to say girl. We couldn't get much higher. I just don't hesitate. Oh that's where the funeral pyre line is and I'm sure there are a million podcast listeners. Out there right now. Yes we've been saying that for fifteen minutes yes I write it I got it I got it. Yes yes it was light. My fire with the funeral pyre. Obviously that makes sense doesn't it? Yes because it rhymes right right in anyway. Great stuff totally opposite song than you get with Break on through It's it's kind of blue is like Yeah they're a beautiful woven woven lines By by the band in there Yeah I I mean it just says hit all over it. Yep It in on this Well Th- The funny thing is my My husband lived in. San Francisco is eighteen in sixty seven and he said he knew instantly. When you heard it on the radio that it would it would be a hit. But he and none of his friends like the doors so the they do talk in this book about the Rift between San Francisco and San Francisco. La kind of sensibility aesthetic. We we talked a lot about that. Yeah the Rock and rock podcast. That You know L. A. is far more professionalized And rightfully so You know that's where you went to if you had the goods Were San Francisco was a homegrown organic Sort of music scene for good and bad you know obviously there's Some interesting things that came out of San Francisco but really you know the music business is based in La. And I picked the doors Birds Buffalo Springfield The airplane Quicksilver MESSENGER and certainly the dead in nineteen sixty seven And again. I'm probably have a bunch of podcasts. Our listeners going what you're look good you know cards and letters or or or more. Welcome Yeah there definitely was a rift between the two Cultural Centers of the the Golden State. yeah on this the first album. This swear Jim kind of set in stone. His image that he lived with me in the Lizard King long after an even to this day because they didn't like the BIOS and liner notes on most albums so he created a multi page manifesto for the album that included some of his most imaginative catch phrases as the author say defining and limiting the Jim Morris image long. It's interesting that they use the word limiting because I think that he did feel limited after the first couple of albums. It's like oh I have to continue this mythical and legendary image. You know that people expect of me. And that was one of the things he struggled with O. Onnor and he's not the only one This is a common problem with With the music industries. You know they they put you in a box that categorize you ties you and then they stick you in a been In a record store in. That's where you're expected to stay And you know it doesn't invite a experimentalism In even ever ocean. Yeah which is which is sad. I obviously that we've gotten away from some of that today and But you know certainly at this time these cats were rebelling against you. Know the the Organization man in the corporatists structure and things like that but You Know Jim in many ways a he could have just done it and instead he just kinda railed against it And continued with the the process Almost all the way up to the end. I mean you know the escape to Paris was specifically to try to get away from this This character that Had taken over His existence. Yeah like you said. He railed against that. He railed against this image. But I mean he'd been railing against things you know his parents and the establishment. You know really all his life in fact in this fact sheet for this album. He said that his parents were dead which they are and yeah and so he was kind of like engaging in the especially with the edible lyrics of the end. You know the European me of the generation gap that he was really diving head first into or maybe that was just his life and the generation gap kind of affixed to him because he lived it and You know it's the Hippie era there's you know complete and utter rejection of the normal. American lifestyle and this is all being invented You know there's you know people just making it up for good or bad and You know In some things just didn't work out very well. So yeah so. We're coming ONTO THEIR SECOND ALBUM. Which is called strange days and one of the interesting Speaking of bucking trends was the song horse latitudes which was basically music and sound sound effects put to his apoel that he had written in high school. So this seems like a lot like performance are to me. All of the members of the doors played musical instruments. Toback the song in unusual ways plucking the strings of piano for instance and used a lot of strange sound effects against the background while he shouted out the lines of his poem. Jim You know thought of himself poet. I as I'm not sure how successful He was or even would've been if he took that on his vocation but as a lyricist You know for pop music You know I think he did pretty good so all right. Let's listen to a bit of this With just a bit. I just a bit in the Mouth Horse Latitudes when the still sea conspires and her Sahlin and aborted. Charan's read Chinese monsters. True sailing is dead. An instant and the trust love this green. That is not my g. I find it quite obnoxious. I'm just like that's not me. I just I don't find it aesthetically pleasing in any way. I don't think it's supposed to be aesthetically disturbed. I think it is disturbing now now. Look I will say and I'll read the lyrics here very brief but I mean if this is what he's writing in high school it's not too bad when the still sea conspires an armor and her sullen and aborted currents breed. Tiny monsters. True sailing is dead. Awkward instant and the first animal is jettisoned. Legs furiously pumping there stiff. Green Gallop and heads Bob. Up Poise delicate pause consent in Mute Nostril. Agony carefully refined and seal over so for a high school poem. Shy couldn't have done that you. Roses are red. Oh do so. You're not impressed now I am. I'm impressed I just. I actually don't really like it but that's okay. Well I it because it's disturbing. Yeah I I'm not really poetry person. Yeah it just. It did kind of remind me of a granted. It's over the top it certainly from this perspective at the time it You know I don't know it just sounds like a Charlton Heston model in some sort in San don't but the imagery is very pretty intense. Horses pumping their legs under the C. N. Yeah especially if you know the point is to try to get a rise. Outta people and into shock and surprise them this showing up You know in the middle of the album. A kind of makes you pause and go. Wpf You'd think I like that. Oh it's time okay. Okay moving on one that I like. A little better is people are strange which is also on this album and you know it just shows that He has a wide range. You know you don't think of Jim Morrison as being kind of socially anxious. But that's what the song is about and probably more about when you're on drugs. You know that people seem kind of menacing. 'cause we've been there. I've been there when I've taken certain drugs. You know that the world seems kind of you know evil but you know. It's I think it's really interesting that he that he wrote something like this because most of his songs are not about insecurity even though we've pretty much established that he was a rather insecure With himself probably bipolar As time goes on Depression also is a factor. Well okay Let's listen to gyms looking at himself and those around him. People are strange Faces look a run year low. We'll mincing might run your own street. Sloan evening down when you'll stray skull now when you stray one new strain a stray bureaus as other say in this section of the book this was an amazing array of world for nineteen sixty seven when everyone else seemed to be singing about incense and peppermint Mama lead skies. So yeah I mean you know. There's a lot of range like I said. Emotional and lyrical range on on this record. Yeah and again. You know to comment on that The rivalry between La and San Francisco. You know the doors are not to be a pop Sensations like the association or Some of those other Concocted bands For to sell pop hits they are trying to dig deep here and You know the song fits in with that. I think You can also make the case that When you're strange is You know when you are on Hallucinogens. Yeah so there are some layers going outside. Certain drugs can make you see the world a different kind of menacing And you know the the media loved him. At this time he gave great interviews and quotes and the Writers Writing About Him. He was he made them enjoy it. Oh that and let's face it easy in a package that You know the second coming of Alexander. The great he had his hair cut exactly like that and he loved the photographers to any love. Trying on costumes and posing and like that was really fun and interesting and they knew that and they liked it was always interesting to interview him and photograph him and he was using also his crowd Collective behavior things he learned in his junior college class. He was you know really milking the audience having long silences and and waiting and waiting. And letting the Leading the contention build and then coming back with a with a big bang and something really unusual. He says just when they're about to crack let him go. So he's really consciously working on his his stage act and his effect on on the crowds. Yeah what was that? Classy took social psychology. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and So back at the back at the ranch in his his natal family his brother his younger brother had been listening. The song light my fire for weeks before he knew that it was his brother's singing. His friend had to show him the album and like he had heard it on the radio and then a friend had the album and he saw his brother's picture on the album cover And his father of course we know it's thought that is totally straight list laced character and thought that this was just horrible thing that his son was doing His mother contacted him and said you know come home. We want to see you and don't forget to get your haircut. I you know how your father feels about. This and and Jim said to the person that took the phone call. Like don't ever put a call through from my mother again like this is just totally like a different world. And he's living right now he can't. It's like this that I'm not your little baby boy And they came his mother and brother came to see him at one of his shows and he purposely sang the end to shock his mother. That's right and then yeah and then she wanted to try to in a long time since I read that book. Yeah she wanted to try to see him and she kept trying to get through to him and he was telling everybody around him to keep her away from him and so she came out like to a different city to see him play and he just evaded her the whole time. Oh my God like a knife to the heart for a mother. Oh I can but don't treat your mother's that way. Yeah depends on what's going on but sure I get it. I don't think you know what I read about. Child is not like no anything. No but you know let's face it You know He was a wild child and You know being born to what eventually becomes a rear admiral Those are two very different worlds. Yeah they were not suited to be. There were not a good fit as parents child. Yeah and now remember. This is nineteen sixty seven still and we're having you know antiwar movement. It's the beginnings of the Antiwar Movement and the Vietnam is not going well alliance were drawn between us and them. Yep So He started writing more political songs. Probably most well known of this era is the unknown soldier which took its name from a revered natch. National Monument and was worked out on the road and much the same way. The doors had created their earlier songs in concert at the whisky ago. So over over a period of two or three months it developed into one of the band's most successful theater pieces yeah it is definitely a theater and you know it. It includes in the in the stage show of him acting out being shot by a firing squad. so Let's take a listen to them and just let me say it's it's not it's not specifically about Vietnam. It's just you know the the soldiers curse if you will in general In it just happens that You know there. Is this raging war going on that The Youth of America are just not into And are being conscripted into and as we know now It wasn't going good And was and it was about to get worse here so I I think it's a great timely song. to To to make a point in a general point that does work in the context of its times but also outside of it as well so let's hear The unknown soldier wait until the Woo Izzo little. So this show on your own and I think I heard some base yes. They're they're bringing in the basement. Yeah yeah so I like the authors say about this when it starts like a dirge and become suddenly a celebration so yeah it's you know starts out real like serious and and picks up In as as we said you know it's It works in its moment And it works outside of its moment as well I do love the interplay between What Krieger and Manzarek are doing their interweaving Their melody lines with that too. I like to have music to my poetry. Yes so around. This time he's Becoming a mythic drunk. Let's just say he moved. He moved from psychedelics. More before he had been more of a binge drinker and now he's becoming an everyday drinker In fact he and Janice Joplin got drunk together at a party. Minute ended in a brawl with her chasing him out of the House that they were partying and get him getting into a taxi in her like breaking bottles against the taxi but they were friends. This is the way. Yeah Yeah Bam bad drunk friends. Yeah and he. He was living in a ten dollar a room a room in the ULTA Sienna go motel. Which was he had his whole life. Kind of in a one very narrow geographic area. When years let any money wasn't spending his money on houses and cars and race horses. He was just spending his money on bar tabs and fancy clothes and Just shacking out in this motel room and then part of the time with his soulmate girlfriend. Pamela Who ARE PAMELA PAMELA? Courson not Arkansas Though I don't know maybe she did she meet Jim Morrison yes. She did okay because he had many many girlfriends. And you know some serious girlfriends but Pamela was always. She was lying that he returned to. Yeah and so he would stay with her. You know some of the time Everything was there. The doors offices Electra. The club scene the bars the restaurants and so he. That was all in a nice tight package. Oh Mendez. Let's gyms gyms about ready to get into serious. Trouble is what you're telling me. Yes I mean you know. Yeah trouble with all right here. In River City Yeah He. Who's getting bored? Actually by rock stardom in as funny as only two albums in now working on their third album of which unknown soldiers part and He wanted to decided he wanted to return to his poetry and publish his poetry without reference to his rock and roll image so every time he tried to publish poetry he wanted it published under James. Douglas Morrison instead of Jim Morrison So he was still doing that so he began to start to feel some contempt for his fans. He got kind of sick of sensationalism. And the sex Eitel hype and Realized that the whole concept of explorative music and you know theater in poetry was becoming lost on his audience and he just wanted see what kind of control. He did actually have over his fans so he decided to try to provoke a riot and Chicago in sixty eight and he got what he wanted. You know that was kind of like a both a positive and negative things for him because he realized like you know like he could control them they would do what he kind of urge them on to do but on the other hand. That's not what he really meant to do. So I think he was pretty ambivalent during this time and he's also getting self destructive with his drinking he was drinking so much as voice was starting to decline and he actually tried to quit. The doors and Ray talked him into giving a few more months. Which of course there were years. Yeah they are sick of Paul Rotschild as well His yeah. He was Kind of an exacting task master Type of producer Especially with them and they needed that But you know after A few years and Three albums I think they were. Kinda like going Can we just do this ourselves right? Yeah Yeah you know and also I didn't mention this but they were there. Were some people making a documentary of them Which turned into a movie called? I think Feast of Friends was called. Yeah and I've seen pieces of it. I Know Jim Jim. His his Mustang or are featured in it. Yeah yeah these guys that were doing. There were three guys That were doing the filming and they became good friends. 'cause they were there all the time and they drank together and had adventures but when he was watching some of the footage he saw part of a New York concert which bordered on a riot and he saw the police heaving teenagers bodily back into the audience and he realized that he hadn't actually had any control over the situation like he thought he was just a puppet of allied forces only vaguely understood he said so whereas in the one point he felt like Oh. I caused a riot and I meant to. I have all this control. He realized that there were other forces at work and he had actually less control that he was being kind of. Egged on to be this person that would do that. And he didn't want other people to have control over him so he decided to do something to kind of end. Debt and Well before consciously or UH consciously that he decided when they went to Miami Miami well bef- before they went to Miami. He saw this a blonde card theater group called Living Theater. And in this performance the actors kind of Went to the very legal limit of nudity and a lot of people were doing that. Yeah and he decided that was very interesting so he decided in. Miami didn't tell the other members of the band that he was going to do this. He started taunting the audience. Calling them idiots at telling people to come up and give him some love and and The ban was trying to carry on at that time. This is when at all. When you didn't have internal security. You had the local copyright as secure. The cops were there right and of course they saw everything you know. There's a lot of controversy about what actually happened. He did intend to go to the legal limit. But he's very limit. Poland your sh long now and he would. He was actually didn't usually wear underwear but on this night. He was wearing boxer shorts and his leather piss according to the authors. His plan was take his pants off though. I don't you know boxer shorts. I don't know somehow I can't see him in boxer shorts so you know they seem so like tame His handler. You know jumped on. Ray Tried to get you know Jim to stop. He looked like he was GonNa Take Dick out and and then his handler came on and tried to get him from pulling open his pants and he Apparently he either did show his penis or he didn't. I'm sorry said the word parent everybody in the band. Where's he did not right but they got people to say I mean the. The concert ended fine. There was a there was no riot and there was no I mean. A bunch of people jumped on the stage but then the police cleared it out and it was fine. But in the meantime there was a young man who agreed to serve as a complainant against Jim for lewd and lascivious behavior and such was the climate at that time I guess especially in Florida where the orange juice queen was. What was her name again? Bryan Bryan. Yeah Yeah I don't think she was part of this. You know that was the was Jim Wasn't gay. So that wasn't wasn't taking up. Oh yes she was. She was strictly focused on gay penises. That's right yeah probably gay astles as well. Yeah not that gays are assholes but an asshole that is gay is my point and she really spent a lot of her time and effort focused on those two NATOMA. Yes Yeah Yeah. Really important work yeah. Wouldn't you agree? Yes totally luck. I thought she was disgustingly gross. I still do. That's our one minute of the okay. So so this man. Young man claimed that Jim did quote lewdly analysts seriously exposed. His Penis placed his hands upon his penis and shook it and further. The said defendant did simulate the excess masturbation upon himself. I don't know and oral copulation upon another unquote okay. The next day. This was smeared on the front pages all over the country and in less than three weeks. What was happening in Miami was endangering the future of the group and now the group was banned. Nearly everywhere about twenty-five booked gigs were cancelled and radio. Stations in several cities began removing the doors whether it was true and playlists that sell reactionary for the first time in the doors career. The media turned against them. Oh and that. Miami trial was drawn out Over one or two years it seemed like forever. I think to them. And when they did get booked they had to put down a monetary guarantee. Yeah ironically around this time even though it was recorded before that incident. Oh there's a hot tub released around which is a traditional love song written by Robbie and another million selling single and but even though it did that well and it sold so many records the prophets were mostly spent on lawyers legal cough. Yeah right all right so touch me baby. Okay told them all. Come on. Come on see that I prayed? What was that promise that you see? What was that Brown today? Know GonNa well probably the most highly produced single of their career You know with the strings and all of that just A A lovely song when you get right down to. Yeah I I I remember the day Jim Morrison Died in the reason I do is becoming died. Oh sorry Oh am I getting this story? Alert and I was in Texas was at my uncle's Horse Ranch and one of my other uncles was in playing pool and I walked in and he is. He just played the song over and over and over again. I'm like What's going on? Why are we playing this song over and over again? He goes well because the singer. Jim Morrison died today knows like Oh and I might have even said. Oh how old was he said? Twenty seven and I remember thinking while that's really old. Yeah Oh yeah anyway enough of me. Yeah well Jim Met One of the authors of this book Some time after that incident and Jerry Hopkins who was Rolling Stone Magazine and Jim kind of totally changed his image Around this time you've got fat. I meant as his personality image but yeah I guess. He got a little long You know I'm sure he was coached. Like it's time for you to straighten up and fly right because this is really hurting the band. And it's costing us a lot of money so he also wanted to quit. I don't really give a shit about this. I want to be a poet right. Yeah he did and But you know he had extensive interviews with Jerry Hopkins and Eager to please you know honest serious and you know Jerry. The Rolling Stone printed one of his poems so he was really happy about that And so that was kind of the beginning of their relationship And then they started recording or almost completed the fourth album at this time which was called the soft parade and And it was kind of frustrating Kind of road for this album and Jim only contributed about half of the material so there weren't as many You know that wasn't as much Amazing run you're trying to say it was. I S that they said they. They added additional strings horns by the local studio jazz musicians which further blurred the once. Lucid doors sound so The one that I like from this album is called easy. Ride Is kind of a bluesy. Jim hoped this would be the single and The lyrics are sharp and accessible. But but there's a poetic twist in the last stanza so I don't know if we should. I guess we're going to have to play the last stand here. He always puts in some. You know it's a normal song was a pretty loves Lipsett. We have a weird thing going on here. Yep Yep all right so let's play a little of the soft parade. No excuse me easy. Easy right and And then We'll talk about on the other side Yeah can a Hoedown Yeah Yeah I don't know it's like a new country. Yeah Little Bit rock and Roll Hall. Hey he's young so there was another incident shortly after where he goes to he decides to go to Phoenix to see the rolling stones and take some buddies with him and he and his buddy. Tom Got very drunk even before getting on the plane and they were just fooling around and messing around throwing things at each other and then his friend grabbed one of the stewardesses and by the time they landed the FBI and the police. They're saying that they were charged saying that they were being drunk and disorderly in interfering with the flight of an aircraft so they had to spend the night in jail and they had this another trial that Jim had to show up for. And unfortunately the stewardess mistakenly identified. Jim As the one who grabbed her instead of Tom so his friend. Tom was acquitted. And Jim had to stand trial for groping. The you know the stewardess but the funny thing is like after they went to Phoenix for a pretrial meeting and met up with With these people the stewardesses and the pilot at the hotel bar and they all got drunk together and the stewardess decided to pull her accusation and reverse prior testimony. So got out of that one. But you know as an additional Drain on money resources and on on their reputation and on them gigging and and making music so that Jammie couldn't keep out of trouble Well when you're drunk and board That is a bad concoction. Yeah now they're they're new material The that they were recording and writing would Was actually go on the upswing. This was When they recorded the album Morrison Hotel and they Authors say lyrically. This would be. Jim's best work in years and the other members provided strong support so Peace Frog I know we played this on. Let it roll. But it's like one of my favorite and this is a tune that the band loves so much that they recorded it even when there weren't lyrics but then a poem was discovered in one of Jim's notebooks called abortion stories. I have no idea why and they use nearly all of it for the lyrics. So the coincidence was that the lines from that poem fit the music created by the others very closely so kind of serendipitous But he also added these two lines which apparently were inspired from when he was a child how he witnessed a car accident in Rhode Island crying. Fragile eggshell mind. That's right no I know that one heart. Oh do you okay? Well apparently that he characterizes that as the worst thing that ever happened to him something like that. Well let's hear it. Yeah Peace Frog through to hang down would be the love that Ruggie robby. Krieger opening the Nasty Guitar. Very cool Yeah but yeah. It changes in halfway through the song. He then goes into his little rhumba. Poetry moment where he gives. Well let's let's Prince Song. Yeah well let's bring. Let's bring that back up here. Real quick for the for the folks at home to to listen to to that Indians scattered pleading child fragile election. What did you think your just? It seemed like a different like they should have made a different song. Like do something else with that if my song until you did this. It's the bridge. Brings it down a musically edge. Though she came I love that. Yeah all right. Well he was. A gem was having a lot of stressors in his life. Even though that album did very well it was certified gold and they were the first American hard rock band to achieve five gold albums in a row. He still had these trials upcoming. Also one of his girlfriends were pregnant He had twenty three suits pending money. Pressures were big and he continued drinking through all of it so he started talking at this time about going to Paris Saying that he liked to go there as soon as the Miami court case was settled and so in August nineteen seventy. He went to Miami to stand. Trial finally His lawyer had this great idea of arguing about community standards for you know like we have community standards in the pornography laws for example. And saying that you know the community standards are changing and this isn't really that bizarre what he did. Because that's what kids you know like the social mores are changing. But the courts wouldn't let him bring that into it so basically they had a lot of witnesses on one side saying that he did not expose himself and he said they had a lot of witnesses on the other side saying that they saw something Acknowledge herself this safe. You know I mean to me presumed innocent right so therefore unless you know there's incontrovertible evidence like the photograph says hey that is a circumcised penis. Yeah or maybe answer. I don't know but you get my point point okay. Nfl So what happened was he was found. Innocent OF LEWD. Behavior and public drunkenness. But guilty on the charge of profanity which was missed. Oh Fuck no. Yeah luck yes. The jury was hung on the charge of exposure but eventually found him guilty of it that misdemeanor so he was guilty to misdemeanors and he later. He said of this time. I think I was just fed up with the image that had been created around me. I just put an end to it in one glorious evening the basic message was realized that you're not really ear to listen to a bunch of songs by some good musicians. You're here for something else. Why not admit it and do something about it? So he was sentenced to basically like eight community eight months of no of county jail. And what yes. But you know he never got to that point of you never served us. Yeah and then some probationary time. Eight months for sixty days of hard labor for exposure for profanity and six say day. Yeah and for exposure. He was sent to six months. So yeah so. That's like eight months. My math is correct. Maybe maybe should have not picked the south. Yeah do that San Francisco right right right right. Yeah everyone's got a slap on the wrist. Which is what if anything he should have gotten so all right moving along. We're moving along those before. The end of his life last album with him L. Everyone Yeah mazing songs on that and much of the material had been written long before so it came together very quickly. L. A. Woman which we're going to listen to some of was his despairing salute to Los Angeles City saw is diseased and alienated and in the song as you know are the words Mr Mojo rising keep on rising he was. Let's see what do we call that? An antic nanogram. Jim Morrison. Yeah which I had no idea really Mr Mojo voicing oh well Tinman plays that song so I know that that is an Anagram for Jim Morrison and I actually play that up. You do I think you have? Yeah thank you very much. Thank you thank you Jim. Jim Smiles down me. When I do it I think so. All right so spits on you or something. I don't know shows me. Penis fuck is being se. Sorry let's get to it L. A. Woman. Oh made a window on it will you? Don't know no pity. Hey you're in. La Woman. I am woman right. Maybe was right nearby. You I was born in San Francisco. Maybe he was writing in about painl- yeah of course. Yeah Yeah I think he was. He wrote a lot of Songs about her. Yeah and then Paris city of lights. Oh Yeah right though. He has had yet to move them although not long a long afterwards he did. That's right. Yeah now the other song that was on this. I know that one too. I know where you're going. Riders on the storm ethic rates slower. And it's got all the rain. His brain was slower jazzy or more melodic and generally thought to be more auto biographical but speaking of Paul. I mean you mean a serial killer autobiographical. I am no idea like I like I said. I don't listen to lyrics very much but Anyway Paul Rothschild. Their producer didn't like the new material. He called riders on the storm. Cocktail music. For those fighting words Christian. Yeah cocktail I would say so. It's like to be honest with you. It's one of the greatest keyboard Solos of all time. Yeah so I don't know what to say about that Cocktail music and there's a great great story. It's dark and twisted. Now this is this is good shit. Yeah I maybe he was getting tired of them. He said they should produce. It was the last single. I think Before his passing love her madly was that I think that was afterwards. Oh I think before his passing the that this was the last one. So but Yeah let's let's play at that. We need rain riders on the storm riders on the storm riders on the storm in Canada. Sasser born to this world worth Rome like Darwin and riders on the storm. Ano know just very moody like A. It's in its very cinematic. Yeah works perfectly between You know Ray In gyms of college education I guess. So what do you mean their College Education Film Student? Oh Yeah right cinematic. Oh yeah okay. I gotTA storytelling Spacing OUT HERE. All right images are in your head so now. This is the beginning of the end. Yeah or the end of the beginning of the end writer they they agreed to perform live in. Dallas and New Orleans and Jim was in good spirits and they previewed riders on the storm which we just heard which the audience loved so in Dallas. Everything went really well but in New Orleans what this is what they call a tragedy. The writers called the end and they said that night race saw Jim Spirit go ray said he lost all his energy midway through the sat he hung on the microphone and it just slipped away you could see his spirit leave him and he was drained unquote may be a little revisionist history on. Ray manzarek part Who was known to delvin? Some of that But that was their last girl here. Yeah Yeah and of course hindsight after what is going to occur. Few months later You know you look back and go. Oh Wow oh yeah he just he. He wasn't with it anymore. Man He just you know it was. It was no no no surprise and he died. You know that sort of thing but I think you know we've been talking about this throughout this entire episode. Is that you know. Jim was kind of reluctant. Rockstar and You know I think You know at first. It's all exciting new and You Know Uh and fun And then you know you know you get asked the same fucking questions over and over and over again you know the expectations are del Greater the pressure is greater And you know. He has as a rebellious spirit to begin with. And now he's rebelling against it self medicating we've already established the possibility of psychological issues. You know five. Plus years of this Will wear on just about anybody. Yeah yeah that sounds like Sounds very draining to me. Especially with all the drinking going on his not healthy yet. He was Still working on his he had poetry. Had Film me was working on music the theatre and They were producing this last album Which he told everybody was a blues album and the last song that we're going to play right now is Love her madly which was on that album. L. A. Woman and would be released as their first single and exactly a year and it was much more commercial sounding then the rest of them and got quite good. You know now. Ask the back into the game. Yeah they could've continued on and as we know they did continue on without Jim. unsuccessfully and horribly so There's nothing that that is worthy To come out With with them missing Jim Until retrospectively You know the guys Getting together and doing it as a door's sort of tribute to If you will but Yeah let's play a little of their Their single love her madly. Don't need a what you say don't you love L. A. Okay. Got Something Do you love her madman now. You don't love your man. Do you love for me? I don't have anything to say about love her madly so you don't love her madly no. I don't love her madly. Oh well then who do you love? Manley? I love my husband of course so you love him madly. Yes yes so you would really just change one word and you'd be happy then. I would sing this song. Oh that can be done you know. Yeah oh no. I don't think I'm going to cover any doors song so don't think so. I don't know okay. I suppose people are strange. Maybe you could. Yeah well but get us out of here. There's a happy ending. No there's not what I'm so sorry. They moved to Paris Pamela. Any it was happy when I don't know she's she seemed to. She wrote some revisionist history. They were very happy there But you know he decided he could do everything you needed to do in Paris. And they went there and the doors stayed behind and started working up some new material thinking he was gonna come back and do the lead vocals for it but By July First Nineteen seventy-one. He had become terribly despondent and depressed. He had You know some new drinking buddies and But he was trying to quit drinking and trying to write and his friends and Pamela took him out to dinner. And that they're the story becomes very garbled there different telling about what happened next but by Monday. July Fifth Jim was rumored to be dead but he had been rumored to be dead many times before while he'd been dead two days by then. Yeah so 'cause he dies on July fair yes so the doors heard. The rumor and Bill siddons their manager called Pamela and she answered the phone and told Bill come right over to Paris but didn't say anything else and he left and arrived in Paris on July sixth he was mad at the flat by Pamela. The seal coffin assigned death certificate and the official cause of death was listed as heart attack and by July eight. The coffin was lowered into the ground. So there were you know so then. We were left with all these questions. There's people who still believe. He never died like he just escaped and like changed his identity. But Yeah I remember question is like how did he die because nobody ever saw the body but Pamela? I think he died like Whitney Houston died too. Many too many opioids and slowly sinking the WOK. Yeah I just passed this ad in the bathtub and yeah I mean I mean. That's you know autumn's razor you know. The simplest explanation is used to true so You know I mean you know He. He and Pam were both known drug users. She was a heroin use. Yeah he was not known to use heroin because he had a fear of needles. But there are other ways to In just that truck And we're so. Yeah which you know in the bathtub is not a good idea. So why do people do that? Because they think it's you know it's a comfortable cozy. Yeah but Yeah so I'm sure drugs were involved. I doubt any foul play I know there is talk of the Pam had something to do. I don't believe that I don't think I think it was just a question of You know You know we've seen enough of this Especially in the last several years Recently that you know with with with much better accounting and reporting These days that it probably was as I said A You know an opioid use of some form Barbiturates what have you and Alcohol alcohol obviously and In about the. It's not that hard to kill yourself not sit down because that is the one thing that Pamela stuck with is that she found him in the bathroom. Yeah so so and You know yeah on July third. Nineteen seventy-one You know he was the last of the of the twenty seven. You know that that that crop you know the Jimi Hendrix and Janus had died the year before an October seventy and You know less than a year later now. Jim was gone. You Know Brian Jones and sixty nine In the L. A. Dat. So and there you have it at the end of the sixties Yeah I thought. This book was interesting in that You know like gym class. It's rock and roll book. It's one of those books that if have you WANNA get in dive into To rock and roll history and It's a good one to do It's not you know Obscure it's not heavy. Yeah it's easy to read and one thing I have to point out is one of the reasons it's easy to read and it was so popular is that there's a line of dialogue in it that's gotta be somewhat made up. I mean I've written ten years ten years Laden allies. Yeah biography at ten years later. Yeah and So I had a little problem with you. Know you don't know he said that. And then he said that. And then you said that but it makes it more readable in that way and it's all you know from interviews and people's memories and stuff like that but I thought his life was interesting in the way that it's not that he was a normal person and then he got into stardom and that made him get into drugs and alcohol and stuff and he you know rows and rows and then he had a crash if he was that was how he was that was his personality. So one reviewer Of this book describes Jim is not the cliches of rise and fall of corruption by wealth and fame but of a sudden burning out of a volatile spoiled gifted intelligent artistic individual and so he he didn't have a sudden decline. He was kind of declining. Seems like most of his life was kind of headed in this direction because he was born. I think an addict. He was born an extremist. And a you know somebody who always wanted to push the envelope and when you have those two things together you can't really live long. Well Yeah I mean obviously saw a lot about this and it's just you know until you're about thirty you kind of think you're invincible. Especially a male here man especially a male with a with a an ego that is being stroked constantly by hangers on and groupies and And everybody else and now you have. This of that is You know put on you. I've thought about why twenty seven and it just seems that twenty seven is that age of you know you've been in this game for several years you've seen it all you've gone through the excitement in the the shiny newness of it and now it's like it's a fucking job and You know you just don't know how to handle of this sort of stuff and you know as we've discussed there's drug and alcohol every where Which is you know well known musical circles. And you also you know aren't aren't quite fully. You know a formed frontal lobe adult just yet your you know and you still think you can do all these things in in handle it and You know in your self medicating and you know so. It's not surprising. And I think a lot of these guys. If they could have just got into their thirties they probably would have been able to show. I need to slow down a little bit. Can't be Drinking that much and snort net much and taking that much more and things like that but you know unfortunately Jim passes there and As body sits in perilous. Shea cemetery which I was lucky enough to visit when I went to Paris. And he's definitely one of those guys that Will continue to come up whenever we talk about the rock and roll story So all right let's get Outta here What do you got planned for next? Got Any idea I do. I'm reading etta. James is out of biography. It's an older book obvious. Yeah she's been dead for a while but yeah I don't know I somebody oh I know the Chicago Blues History Twitter handle suggested it to me. They did on twitter. Yeah Great Yeah. That was really cool. Excuse TALKING ABOUT ETTA. James's autobiography and I went. She wrote an autobiography. What and he told me the name of it there there I am. I'm looking forward to that all right. Well let's get out here and I am GONNA leave everybody with. I think only sung that we can play at the end of this when the music's over perfect use it so uh news so into so turn up turn low rock and roll librarian produced and hosted by Chris. Wayne Co host Shelley SARS and all SOM- design and incidental music by Jerry down. Some quotes performed the actors unless noted find all of our shows notes social links at www dot banfield dot com or wherever? You listen to great podcasts. All songs have you found for purchase on Itunes spotify or reply please purchase great an important trucks on facebook at the our in our. Ap We are on Instagram. At our our archaeology tweeted at our and our our he`ll.
Let It Roll: The Jim Morrison Biography That Kicked Off The Doors Revival
"Welcome to let it. Roll the podcast about how popular music happens. Hosted by Nate Wilcox followed the lead role. Podcast on twitter at let it roll cast and check out our website at let it roll podcast. Dot Com. Let it roll as a pen podcasts. And you can listen to all the other great Pantheon podcasts at. Www DOT pantheon. Podcasts DOT COM TODAY. Nate welcomes fellow. Podcasters Shelly Sorenson and Christian Swain of the Rock and roll librarian to discuss one of the first bestselling rock biographies no one here gets out alive which titillated millions with its insider's account of the rise and fall of Jim Morrison and the doors pop in those ear buds in enjoy. I'm your host Nate Wilcox and today I've got the distinct pleasure been joined by two of my colleagues in the Pantheon podcasting network. We've got the rock and Roll Librarian. Shelly Sorenson in Christian Swain the major Domo of the whole network and the rocket archaeologist. Welcome thank state and today we're GonNa talk about a classic of Rock Literature. No one here gets out alive by Jerry. Hopkins and Danny sugarman bother. Were deceased so. This is a perfect way to cover a real cornerstone of rock music literature. When we don't have the authors to go to so thanks so much for coming on and helping us discuss Jim Morrison and the doors. I love that we get to make up whatever we want. Because there's no dispute from the author's well you know some people say that Danny sugarman and Jerry Hopkins did just that is by FIA of their dead former acquaintance in tournaments case former client. But we'll get to that at the end. Let's just jump right in there. I mean this is a biography of a Jim Morrison Came out in nineteen eighty two. I believe about eleven years after he died was an enormous bestseller. I mean this was an the racks at the airports at seven. Elevens this was a trade paperback. It had a picture of Jim. Morrison not from nineteen sixty seven shirtless and beautiful. Just immortal at triggered rolling stone cover story said he's hot. He sexy he's dead. And kind of triggered the whole sixties revival that was a big pop culture factor in the eighties. What was it about mid sixties? La that made it such a great place to launch a rock career shelley. Well you know at that time. An La was big of course a big TV and movie capital and was increasingly becoming news capitol as well and at that time in nineteen sixty four Jim Started Jim. Morrison started studies at the UCLA film school and this was what they called the professors called the Golden Age of film at Ucla and and in Los Angeles the Faculty included top directors. And the students included the no other note none other than Francis Ford Coppola. So Jim was right there. You know in the middle of the burgeoning film industry at the time and on the weekends he went to Venice. Beach which had been a Mecca for the beat generation in the fifties and still to this day not even in the eighties but now still has kind of Bohemian tradition. So it was a you know a right kind of time for all these different movies. Tv music to kind of counter you know interest fertilized. That's a a word probably not And you know I think it was just A. He was in the right place at the right time. Kind of thing Chris Well I agree with you I I might add. There's been many Golden Ages in Hollywood Specifically in the the early nineteen sixties You know there was a a the the French new wave was was definitely in bogue A lot of experimentalism Was going on both in film and in Music very of and You Know Jim And his Ucla compatriots Including Ray Kurzweil Were in in in those kind of a boundary pushing concepts and ideas as far as L. A. I think he hit the nail on the head At least in America Wild New York's considered the media capital Certainly at that time You know La is where the entertainment business will was really still ground zero in in in in maintained that ever since and so to to be able to take literally The British invasion and digest it and And then create a response Naturally it seems said. L. A. was a fitting place for that in the mid sixties. Yeah and you had the birds and love On the sunset strip the bird. You know with Columbia records big in sixty five and then love. Kinda ruled the scene on the streets for the next couple of years. And that's the band that Jim Morrison wanted to emulate. Their whole goal is to be as big as love. So Yeah Arthur Lee and company Yeah In the you know there were others. that that didn't quite make it but You know by then the I think. The troubadour was around Obviously the whisky a go go had switched from a dinner. A supper club as they used to call them. to Something more kin to what we recognize today. The whiskey Beena you know a real rock and roll club. Yeah it's interesting. Go ahead so oh one of the things. I thought was interesting about how the book described when Jim Lived Near the La Strip and the whiskey ago. Elektra records is that he could. He had everything there within walking distance. You know that he it would centro to the bar and club scene and and he lived with his girlfriend in Laurel Canyon and so he he just You know physically everything. Was there where he needed it. I think it was clear that lived Robby Krieger that guitar lived in Laurel Canyon. I think Jim stated basically flop house motels that will within walking from and it's an his girlfriend's apartment. I thought that was. Yeah Canyon but I guess it was near to the strips. Pamela Courson yes. He might have been in Laurel Canyon at one point a web tracking that super closely. What was what was it about the America that was ready for Jim Morrison. What was going on in that point. That's a big question. There were there were so much going on in the sixties experimentation with with LSD and marijuana the whole sexual liberation And I think one thing that Jim and the door is really You know well Jim was. Kinda the quintessential person to to to you know. Experience the generation gap which was huge than he not only denied as parents ideas than value. Later on he denied he said they were dead. He said you know denied that they even existed and And then also He read was very well read and he his favorite book was. Jack Kerouac Nama Rosa Road and that was like the beat generation and it was published in fifty seven. So all the kids you know at that time in the sixties where reading that Reading that book and when Jan lived kind of briefly and Sam in Alameda near San Francisco he came in to the city and you know frequented city lights bookshop and read all the beat poetry and a furling getty and Ginsburg or favorites of his. So this was all kind of going into the whole Revolution of the sixties. That he was you know pretty much at the forefront of I think well let's let's face it You know postwar World is dominated by America. Because we're the last man standing In our culture was Was a were the victors You know we were hardly touched By the atrocities of Ah for years or lost six years of war I and You know we benefited from From being the APEX culture And then we began to export that culture of notably of films and music And You know by the time you get into the mid nineteen sixties You know America is a dominant Technological Player and You know obviously You know capitalism is In a battle of pitched battle with communism There is a lot of Of fear and uncertainty because of the bomb And the fact that You know the the idea that you know humanity had to contemplate that its entire existence could be wiped out in a about a thirty minute period. And I think that began to weigh on Some of these I You know as we know Jim. A comes from a military family is. His Dad was Rear Admiral in Pacific Fleet At the time was actually inconsequentially involved in the Gulf of Tonkin affair and You know as far as GM his Being a little bit different than than Some of his contemporaries You know rock and roll was Fairly relegated to Subject matter of girls in cars in its early Incarnation The original pioneers. And then you know. I think it'd be fair to say that Bob Dylan and a few others Began to that and Lyrical content began To become a deeper and exploratory and I think Jim took it in a very very dark Way I I. I like to think of him as You know the the real Prince of darkness To Take that title away from Some of the heavy metal Guys notably Ozzy Osbourne Because I think he's the one that really invented Shock Rock on a pop scale on a grand scale You know the the medium. A of choice At that time was. Am radio there was no FM radio. I and AM radio Played whatever was a hit Black White Rock pop country Folk it didn't matter a one after another and I think that these guys Along with the you know the far. Fisa Raymond's Eric Keyboard sound created a sonic a difference. out there that The the kids really gravitated to Elektra. Records was right there in l. a. too and they just had a trial run with love. They'd put out two albums to reasonable success for abandoned refuse to leave L. A. Essentially And so they couldn't go to that Sullivan show etc etc and weren't doing national tours but Elektra had introduced themselves at the rock market as a as a middling player they already pretty. Well established bulk player. So you know it was perfect. They they they had a really aggressive approach to the marketing. Put in giant billboards over the sunset strip with Morrison's very pretty face on it and the time Tom was perfect. It was also interesting because it was the last window. When the Teeny bopper magazines like sixteen and Tiger beat where essentially the only rock press in America? And so you've got this artists that you now consider alternative or underground and within just a couple of years. He would have been considered that you know the doors would be the kind of band it would only be on FM radio. That would only put out albums that you might not even see their faces or much less there leather clad bodies but instead of Jim Morrison doing these spreads he's fashion spreads. You know looking at sexiest. I'll get out and driving the little girls wild. Let's hear the first song that Jim Morrison Sang for Ray Manzarek. Who was a classmate of his at the UCLA film school and and was a practicing professional semi pro musician. And Jim had no musical experience. They bumped into each other and the beach and Jim saying some of the words to moonlight. Draw through the through the And you know our face. The Moon Line drive which appeared on the door second album I can remember. I think it's strange days. Always WANNA call it. People are strange. Which was the hit single off that album bud and listening to that song. It's perfectly good door song. But it's not one lyrically that blows to wipe it. Blu Ray man's rockaway and and you know they were. They were often running but shelley the book I I remember. I was a kid a seventh grader. Reading a totally impressionable and I would not let my son read this book but what what am I remember just being horrified at what a I just thought he was the jerk of all time. What did you feel about? Jim Morrison from the way the book tells US Slice Story. Well You know I actually Mo- most I know about new about Jim. Morrison before I read this book was the Oliver Stone movie that was I guess was based on this book. Right and I wasn't doors fan and I you know I didn't buy doors albums. I was Let's see I was born in fifty seven so you know I remember being in junior high school and hearing their music but I I wasn't you know I wasn't attracted to them As band or him as a musician And this book purports to you. Know it's it tells all about basically you know that. He was an alcoholic from the time he was a teenager and I think you know it's very worse and all about is about his drug and alcohol use about his treatment of his friends about his treatment of women So he you know I don't think it Helped me feel more kindly toward Jim Morrison? Even though the writers say they described him. You know his more sensitive side and as a poet visionary and All you know somebody that is very important to the rock and roll. Music scene I it didn't kind of changed my mind about him. You know as a person kind of being so selfish self centered you know alcoholic and So I don't know his his upbringing. Was you know he was raised by these very conservative parents as Christian was saying his father was in the military and his mother was the perfect military mother. You know and wife could. They moved frequently and she kept house. And you know they weren't abused or you know anything like that. But Jim was totally a excessive person even as a child and kind of torture to siblings. And I love being way and then you know and then was nice to them and you know really did extreme dangerous things so You Know I. I don't think it was the rock and roll lifestyle that that that turned him into an alcoholic. Like like you might have seen on the star is born or something like that Yeah and and I think that You know he I don't know he just rejected his parents out and out. I Just because he was a symbol of authority. I think By the time he was you know he had moved out of the house. You'd bear. He didn't even speak to them again. He would tell you that They were dead right and that was on the first liner notes of the first record that had no currents they were dead You know personally I I I Of course Christian knows my story but I I Sympathize more with his mother than I do with him as a mother of a of an alcoholic. Who reject you know their family? I think it's just a very painful. I don't yeah anyway so I didn't come away from the book with kind of a a better impression of Jim as a person but maybe more respect for him As a as a poet lyricist I would say that's my well not Jim. Jim's obviously a complicated man He childish manipulative And you know interested intensely on The the darker aspects of of life and And obviously Had demons that He couldn't work out and you know self medicated himself to death but as as a good artist he was able to Tap into that and present that In a public manner That connected with a with a large audience and exposed Some of these feelings which I don't think had been really Explored in popular music up until that time. Yeah absolutely and one thing that struck me reread in forty years after I read it. The first time was the importance of his theatrical and film background at and also how intellectually who is of all the musicians united research couple years of doing this project the only one an education comparable is bing crosby who went to a Catholic law school and read all the great philosophers. Jim Morrison is an incredibly well educated person who read all this philosophy and I took himself a little bit too seriously but I think also unique and innovative in that he was self consciously analyzing the rock scene and he had been a fan of Elvis Presley as a kid but he wasn't. He wasn't a greasy haired rocker. He was not somebody who is a singer from day. One and out in the clubs and you know seeing it and he wasn't a folksinger like Jerry Garcia the birds. Are you know? He wasn't playing in Latin Bar Vincent moby grape. I mean he was he was an intellectual. He was film student and pretty bad film student. It seems like like he walked out of Ucla completely but really understood something about how to manipulate. Crowds like Assorted forgave him for his band sister. Manipulative jerk with everybody. He knew when I realized that became his art. That was what he was doing. He was just experimenting with this idea of Control and he clearly had awesome powers in that direction and that kind of is I think what bit him in the ass I mean he got everything he wanted so fast with the doors you know. They quickly succeeding on the club circuit in La quickly signed to a label. There's a you know brief delay getting a hit single their first single flops. By their second one is a monster and boom you know. He's all his dreams of having a platform for watched. The pontificate of manipulate audiences comes true. And then it's like wow. Was that worth. Be careful what you wish for absolutely but said a little bit about the other members of the band like what you've felt about damage personalities in the way they're presented in the book. Yeah I mean Oh I thought it was very interesting the way they all met. You already talked about how he met Ray in In the film school. And then you know on the beach and ray just went well. That's the best. Those are the greatest fucking song lyrics. I've ever heard let's start a rock and roll band. Make a million dollars and and You know quickly ray discovered Jim nobody. Nobody else discovered Jim. Ray Discovered Jim and said you wanna be in our band in the band that he was in already and Jim said I don't play anything and he said just just hold the guitar you know on stage. And that's how he got his his start on stage but one of the things I thought was interesting. Was that John. Dense more The Drummer Ray met in his meditation class and then John Introduced Robby. Krieger to them who he had met in his meditation. Class Liberal meditators Which I thought was really interesting for rock musicians and Jim never never no no. They weren't others. Were meditators which was probably the only way they could put up with him And you know they and they were all musicians and played a variety of music. Johnson dense more played jazz drumming and in college and Ray Krieger Plates go via an folk blues will Mingo And Flamingo for incoming flank. I dictated my notes. John Water out here. And and in fact he played bottleneck guitar so nicely that Jim wanted him to play. Kind of exclusively bottleneck on most of his first songs And so they were you know actual musicians and Yeah I thought that was really interesting. That That they were all meditators. Yes a very late. Sixties thing to be doing in the mid sixties. They're all kind of headed their time. There yeah yeah I know remember detailing. Yeah yeah that way ahead of its time for that sort of thing we are. You guys are in the land of fruits and nuts here because belcher born and raised in. California me true. It's like the cult villains in every Raymond Chandler novel. There's always come on now. I did learn to meditate in junior high school. I went to a kind of a hippy. School Yeah we transcendental meditation. That was yeah I think. S Lon was up and running by sixty five to four you know and by then Alberton leary had been kicked out of Harvard and were looking for someplace to go. I think they were mostly Mexico at that particular moment but By you know by sixty four sixty five You know can key see has gone through the M. K. Ultra experiments performed by the CIA and discovered that this This little drug that they were handing out Was really cool without the CIA and You know started stealing some from the the pharmacists At the The mental institution. He was working at and researching is upcoming book. One flew over the CUCKOO's nest and then started handed out to His buddies Mostly musician friends. Who then they started to share it with their musician. Friends and so by by sixty five Sixty six Yeah the the world is turned on its head For those who have Indulged in the experiment of from a Mr Albert Hoffman. Let's let me jump in and another song. This is a breakfast and Vile Alabama song which is a completely crazy song for rock band to cover. Nineteen sixty seven. It was a cabaret show tune from decadent. Orlando in the nineteen twenties The radical communists creator of the alien nation affecting all these intellectual theories so the doors have been detained for pretentious covering this button. I think they managed to so it into their of pretty nicely. This is the Alabama. So don't ask why show to be we. Don't next whiskey. We must be. We must And that was Jim Morrison and the doors saying Brecht Involves Alabama Song which I mean must've blown minds in the sixties and muskets. Like I know I had no idea who breakfast vile were Until I heard this song and read rolling stone panning the doors for being pretentious for covering it and that led me off on a whole voyage of discovery. And I'm sure lots of people. I don't think you need to go to the name of the band you know taken from Aldous Huxley's the doors of Perception Is evidence enough of Some sort of pretentiousness. Absolutely have a question for you guys. So but It's certainly in in Germany. It wasn't called the Alabama Song Right. I mean I didn't know that about that song that it was a breast Tune called the Alabama Song. I believe it was called Alabama Song I should have. I seen it up before. Kristen you now I can. I can pull up really quick. But it's part of the threepenny opera and Alabama had world rod infamous reputation as a slave capital So I'm sure it was not and I think it was. It was Just a well known I think it was just a commentary on on America. It's also called Alabama. I think oh I see okay. Another whiskey bar. Yeah Yeah that was translated. Show me the way to the next Whiskey. And it was actually. It was from the play. Little Mahogany not the threepenny opera translated by the English lyrics were written by Elizabeth Hopton in nineteen twenty five So yeah I mean they were just into crazy weird stuff. We began as the German poem and and translated by their purposes. But they were they were like that movie cabaret basically it was. It was the whole decade and Weimar Republic thing and and I found when I went back and listened to the whole doors catalog. I thought held up pretty well especially compared to their the Jefferson Airplane and the grateful dead and other California bands from sixty classes sixty seven. You know I think and I think rolling stone infamously in eighties just hated the doors. I think they gave the first album three stars and everything else less and then you know by the by the time. Yeah Dave Marsh of all people who you know as quoted in the early seventies praising some of their albums in the book turn pretty viciously on him. I think influenced by Robert Chris. Cow My friend Edward. His still hates the doors but you know by the nineties edition the Rolling Stone Record Guide. They've thrown in the towel. Declared them one of the three opoku California bands of the sixties along with the beach boys in the grateful dead and yeah to me like when ads starts descend the doors. I just say well you know. Patti Smith IGGY pop that they were pretty big deal more about what they thought than. What about Iraq critics thought? Yeah well at somebody who was born in San Francisco grew up in L. A. and lived in San Francisco in the bay area for over forty years I think As far as California goes there you know there was a and the kind of music that was going on and I just to tell you Kind of a personal anecdote. My husband who's older than me and eighteen. Seventeen eighteen in San Francisco in nineteen sixty seven. When I told him I was covering the doors on this podcast. She said you know in in San Francisco had no one liked the doors. He said they heard a light my fire and he knew instantly it would be a hit but he didn't he didn't like it and none of his friends liked it and they were all into you know what seeing Hendricks and Janice Joplin and Mike Bloomfield. And you know and the grateful dead at the fillmore and you know it was like a very different aesthetic Certainly than the doors and and you know he said whereas Hendrix with a musical genius. They just thought that Morrison was a drunk singer. You know and I know that's not on cabaret singer. Yeah and that's obviously not all of San Francisco. Because when they came to San Francisco they were very well received. You know at the Phil. Mahre by by by the public learn. Yeah Yeah but let let me jump in here and just say Oh there's a huge difference In the mid sixties between the L. A. Musicians and that sound versus the San Francisco. A sound There's a reason why the Free speech is at Berkeley hated the fucking hippies Because they wouldn't get up there as do anything worthwhile and from the hippies perspective they were like no man You know we. We want to explore everything And you know most famously Encapsulated by you know the music of the grateful dead which you know as they grew you know it was a it was experimental You know it was open It was loose whereas you know L. AAC. Even was was a professional organization. Fact you know most of the bands that we think of out of La had some form of studio players on them You know most famously recognized now. As the wrecking crew Including the doors You know they didn't have a bass player and when they needed a bass player they pulled in some of those great Studio cats Down in southern California so there was a level of professionalism that really existed down in l. a. That did not exist in La. I in San Francisco and there was a real separation between those two camps at that particular moment now of course You know this all begins to Gel and and become You know looking back at history It seems like you know while there's this California moment but there were two very distinct camps at the time. Yeah it's interesting. His interactions You know he talked about him. Seeing the Jefferson Airplane and and not liking them later on and talks about him hanging out with Janice Joplin rally being abusive and awful to her. Which was exactly the kind of thing she was drawn to. You know they were peas in a pod. She's looking to be right humiliated and abused and his slugging it out. So those two right you know. Of course Baldo chemical makes any also there. There's a mention of him seen Hendrix. I can't remember where and and you know crawling up to the stage and grabbing Hendrix by the knees ankles do not to suffocate himself to the Hendrick. So you know. They're they're definitely yeah the Currents and rivalries San Francisco and I think that the fact that Rolling Stone magazine was in San Francisco. Just sort of how does it now and in an and they definitely flew that in rolling stone. If you're familiar with the history of the editorial practices were very partisan. They love John Lennon and Yoko the hated Paul McCartney they love the grateful dead then so much like the doors although they turned on the de too. But you know this thing about Morrison isn't manipulator and and in a obviously manipulated as audiences but at the beginning he was very skillful manipulator of the press but then then he changes in the way you know he he behaves toward the press and sort of self sabotage is. Do you think that was just a function of him being to alcoholic to do his job or was that sort of a philosophical switch when he become disillusioned with the machinery of success and starter? I would say. Disillusion is definitely a factor You know coupled with massive self-medication You have no patience You know when you've been asked the same question hundreds of times right and I. Yeah I think I think the manipulating the press was hard work. I mean you have to really think about it and you had to come up. You Know He. He came up with great quotes. And and you know Really defined his image in the press by you know coming out with these lengthy so things like think of us as erotic politicians that was one of his quotes And he you know like you said he was really into being photographed to you know or you know for code and jewelry and cut his hair like Alexander. The great and I thought it was interesting. That in junior college he took a class on collective behavior. Which was the psychology of crowds? And he he learned how to trying to tell his friends how interesting that was an how they could you know. Look at a crowd and make love to it and cure it and make it riot and his friends all thought he was not but obviously that was something he used to great effect in his public performances to and let me Japan and key the neck song then will return to that and talk about how he manipulated crowds basically to destroy his career. But let's I hear Love Street. And this is the spoken word bridge of the song so it can hear Jim Morrison. The poet backed by rock band. There's Love Street doors. There's this store where the creatures me wonder what they do and the summer Sundae and a year. I guess I like it fine so far. That was Love Street by Jim. Morrison and the doors and listen to. I mean he's taking a lot of critical brackets bricks and brackets for for being pretentious and a quote bad poet and everything but to me. When I listened to that it holds a comparable to like Allen Ginsberg guests in with the clash or something I really hear the influence of the beats and it doesn't it to me. It doesn't ruin the song at all or the record. It fits right in something. Like horse latitudes or celebration of the lizards a little different especially when celebration lizard goes on for ten minutes on the live album but not too bad but let me let you get back to what you're talking about shelly. And and the whole way told Tale of how he instigated deliberately attempted to instigate a riot in Miami and what the fallout. That was right. He you know. He wanted to hit an tell the other band members. She was going to do this but he really wanted to You know expose himself and see what would happen if he did that. And you know and then the story goes back and forth. Did he really exposed himself or did he just make it look like he did and one of the reasons he did that was that he didn't like the you know he was getting tired of the adulation that he was getting this crowd mentality that he had actually created but then he realized it was going too far and he couldn't just be himself and be a poet and he wanted to put a stop to it so he really purposely sabotaged His I don't know his I can't stay reword his career by doing that and then of course you got you know. charges pressed against him for indecent exposure. Trial went on for a really long time and he was banned by many Venues you know to play. And when they when they let him come back and play when they let the doors come back and play they had to put up huge amounts of money. As bond you know to encase the concert was cancelled or or interrupted by the police or something like that or in case she did something else scenes so yeah he he he really did you know Grind their career You know of course it came back up slowly but surely and to great degree but He really put a pause on their career there for a while by doing that. Well I think The some of the output wasn't a stellar as well I also think You know Music Trends Were changing rapidly There was some catch up in that Let's face it as we said at the top. You Know Jim wasn't a trained musician or You know took an interest in what that professional lifestyle is and what it means and You know a nate. You said You know the rise to stardom was so fast that It's it's very easy to see You know a a rejection of that especially for someone who you know And and if I can you know Jim was not born. You know a a Greek God. he was actually Rather Averaging in a little Chubby Through his elementary school years it needed and blossom until His College Age And started to get attention for his attractiveness And his Outgoing nub of personality manipulative. Or what have you But he was in always did consider himself a writer and desire to be a poet and that lifestyle is one of the internal not the not the external right. Yeah absolutely and that was one of my sympathetic things. I thought that the authors did in the book that they pointed out he did walk. It like you talk that. He did buy a mansion. He didn't by plane. He you know he never had big cars that basically he never had anything beyond a week's worth of clothes six pack of beer and a handful of books at any given time he would be floated from you know these flop house motels to various girlfriends apartment. And you know he's living basically the Charles Bukowski lifestyle this with the Rockstar. But he wasn't materialistic. Yeah in fact. I like how I in the beginning. A At least. The addition I had one reviewer describes him Not The cliches of rise and fall of corruption by wealth and fame but a sudden burning out of a volatile spoiled gifted intelligent artistic individual. So he he you know like like I said before he wasn't Ruined by fame like so many other rock and roll musicians like you know how they're they're kind of okay but then they get turned by their By their fame you know to to excess and wasting of money and getting attached at and all that stuff And and getting addicted to drugs and alcohol. That was that was the way he was. He was already addicted to drugs and alcohol and he wasn't. He wasn't attracted by by wealth and materialism at all it was attracted by art. And and I agree with you that that is one that is one. A Rick Redeeming feature of Jim Morrison for me. We'll let me let me add something to that shelly. Great Point That you know as Morrison Becomes more confident on and they grow As an act it gyms concept which was different than the other three a was to inject more. Let's call performance art Into live shows And try to take them into You know some of festival of Dyonisis Or what have you To to get the audience to you know get out of themselves and experience You know a a true art happening at the time and also had the whole you know you talk about the drop in quality of the of their albums. And it's very clear that third and fourth album you know are not as great as the first and second or their last two and his attempt to record this celebration of the Lizard Suite which knows a ten minute. Plus full album longside Concept OF OF SUITE OF POEMS SET TO MUSIC. It was very ahead of its time. It looks it. He's aiming to do something that the prog rockers should be doing you know and and and just a few years. But they couldn't pull it off and it. Kinda reminds me of Pete. Townsend's life Allied House plus to be this whole a multimedia movie concept thing and it implodes but they managed to salvage the songs and create their masterpiece. Who'S NEXT FOR THE DOORS? They kind of had to stumble along without you know. They didn't have the book of songs that the Salvation Lizard does not several great rock songs. You know it was. It was a suite. That was either GonNa work as a whole or not work at all. They did manage to perform it. Live but they're they're comeback sort of it's driven by robby especially Robbie. I think robbery. Krieger is a way under praised performer and songwriter He wrote agree light my fire and right. Lohan asks his first song. Yeah and so. Many of their pop hits You know don't you love her madly etc etc. He's the pop songwriter. But Jim songwriting grows too. So you know. They're a great team with Robbie writing the AM single hit. And then Jim coming up with stuff like L. A. Woman which is a long form song that does work in Iraq context so they were able to respond to you know the innovations of led Zeppelin and the band and everything with last two albums that come back and really you know. Put down a marker for the doors as a as a serious quality hard rock band and and one back a lot of the critics at least at the time and let's go ahead and here one of those songs. Let's hear peace frog which has got music by robby? Krieger and lyrics by Jim. Morrison route back on Peace Frog for Morrison Hotel which many people saw as a comeback album and attempt by the doors to reestablish their rot credibility. And I have to say. I don't generally get into rock criticism because it's not the point of this show but I have to say I think it holds up very well with the material put out by their peers at the time and I recently saw David crosby getting on twitter and dissing the doors and maybe WanNa slap his face. Like how dare you? You could not touch them on their best semi crosby. Did what crosby did with the birds in crosby stills Nash which is great you know invading folk rock and invented you know soft rock and all that but he never was a credible hard rocker and the doors. I think I think really were. I mean how do you guys write them like? Do you think they hold up? I mean the whole idea of. He's redeemed because of his commitment to art if he's a charlatan in a fake. That's there's nothing redemptive about that. But if if you think you may some to lasting gonNA this redemptive what he'd think right. I know I agree. I I think I don't think he's a charlatan and a fake at all And I think the songs hold up and I I find him credibly authentic. Go ahead shelley. Oh I was just GonNa say Peace Frog is one of my favorites but actually out the base actually has the baseline on it. Which I I'm always attracted to good baseline and maybe and I was telling Christian before we went on air. That may one reason that I wasn't particularly like moved by the doors music When I was a teenager because I didn't hear a lot of being On the records. I've I've just. In retrospect I'm thinking that that may be one of the things but yeah I yeah I think I think the music I mean you know. I don't recognize the titles of the songs and so when I went back to listen to a lot of like oh I know all of these I mean I know I. I'm familiar with all of the songs. Even though I never had a doors album I never owned doors. That open right there. Yeah yeah definitely. What were you gonNa say Christian? Oh just to add on to You know they're worth and they're they're influence to later works You know You know I I think certainly at the time you know they you know were the darkest ban Before there really were you know dark bands of which came on the horizon. I mean you know. Blacks out doesn't even show up till nineteen seventy and In in as we know now you know they're They're imagery and motifs. Were you know based on fantasy on hammer horror films? You know this. This was about You know selling a comic book version of of themselves And you know Morrison was everything that you've got You know most of it not great but some of its sublime and You know You know he's I find him one of the most authentic characters to ever come out of rock and roll. Yeah and I think one of the best ways to measure the power of a musical artist by their influence and the fact that essentially all hard rock singers going forward are either going to be influenced by the Golden Boy Robert Plant or the Prince of darkness. Jim Morrison and you get the call. Glenn Dancing of the misfits and dancing and etc etc his iggy pop based his basically his whole act on Jim Morrison and for somebody because Agee as seen as as punk and Jim is classic rock there. People miss that connection. But it's a direct absolutely chain and hand off but let's talk about the book before we wrap up. What do you guys think about the book? I mean it's very salacious. It goes out of its way to mention the him but fucking groupies. Excuse the terminology. But that's why they talk about you know and then go ahead. Write a song called back door man while they covered right. I'm sorry governor and presumably how wolf is talking about knocking on a girl's back door while her husband's way. But you know regardless that the with Jim had in mind. It's clearly not and it's it's very salacious book. I mean it's almost it's clearly written. It's full of pictures. I mean it's a great trade paperback. It's right up there with like Vince. Bugliosi's helter skelter as far as lurid portrait. Savell a the late sixties. But I mean do you feel like they went over the line and they were unfair to the artists or is this just the perfect way to summarize a pop phenomenon? You know as a librarian. I know a little something about biographies and This one reminded me of The fact that You know I was a children's librarian for a long time and we started Consciously WEEDING OUT BOOKS BIOGRAPHIES. That were fictionalized. In the way this book is so the way it's written it makes it more salacious than if it were just written in a more of a nonfiction style. Because they take they take interviews with people but they weave them in as quotes about a lot of the book is dialogue that either quote kind of quoted from People's interviews but not attributed so it makes it. If you weren't like a savvy reader you would be like. Oh yeah this. This actually happened this way. These people had this exact conversation. Which you know can't possibly be true unless it was recorded you know that. The person was in the room when the conversation happened. Because this is one person's telling of how the conversation went which obviously you know tinted and the way that person remembers it and that I think that adds like fifty percent to the salaciousness as you say of the book that it it reads like a novel really more than than a non fiction factual you know biography or remember. Jerry Hopkins had Written The book or manuscript Years before and had tried to get it published In was unsuccessful at it until he brought Danny sugarman to add Quite a bit of the Salaciousness First person type of accounts and to Shelley's point you know As we know memory is somewhat fallible and especially after a decade or a or so Where you know you you you begin to Mythology is your past and You know You know let's face it By by by this time You Know Morrison is a mythological creature and Sugarman S- memories are probably couched in clouded in those Those those external our responses coming to him You know And of course you know. Y- you know I think the Book Pa Proves the point in that Jerry Hopkins tried to get this sold? Nobody would sell it until they turned it into something more salacious palatable to You know a buying public And sure enough. It did the trick. Didn't it had sounded like reading the National Enquirer? I mean especially to the point of Danny sugarman memories. He was a teenager. Went along top. And right you know so like if I told you like dialogue that happened from when I was a teenager. How like how accurate would that be? So this is yeah. This is more like a like a magazine. Article Danny working with the doors when he was twelve right. That's crazy and so many scenes happened in the offices of the doors. And it's clearly. That's where he's interactive with Jim Novel up so I imagine you're twelve and Morrison is your body. What what the fuck would that be like? No even that's even weirder than reading this biography when you're twelve isn't being part of the biography twelve much much winner. Yes yeah yeah so so. There's some questions there but I mean I think to me. Ultimately it's a net positive for Jim in the doors because it it's a minute direction star. It did didn't it? Yeah there's that obviously gained the attention of Of Oliver Stone. Who went onto to make a film about? them which is also You know a debated On on there it's a good thing or bad thing But just like jam and and again I I I keep going back to to the fact that that Morrison himself was a complicated person He think of his upbringing with a rising star in the United States Navy At the time and You know The conservative family and those values and then the rejection of that To the point where where you are tried to eliminate the the history of your association with that family so I mean that tells you. I think all you need to know where to begin with WHO. This cat was and You know and he comes about right as this new you know Popular Art form is Beginning to really takeover the entertainment Airwaves and presents himself as the the dark Elvis Presley so I mean at all it all make sense to me. Yeah and as timing was so brilliant. I think it's very telling that that thing that triggered his cutting off communication with his parents was a letter. They wrote criticizing his concept of becoming a singer based on the fact that he never evinced any musical talent whatsoever which is totally reasonable thing for here to say but he was so confident what he was doing. It was just not going to Brooke and criticism as as a failed musician myself. I see. That's the difference between a successful musician. Failure is somebody who's like you know damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. I'm not going to hear any negativity. I'm going to associate with people that support my vision and I'm going to go for it and you know fuck you and the scene when his mom and younger brother do go to one of their concerts and he makes a point of screaming the lyrics of the end which other? I WanNa fuck you right in her face. I mean that had been completely shattering for her. I mean what would it awful thing to do and that she at that and that she even wanted to see him after that I mean she like tried to see him with his little brother and toe and he evaded her and he got everyone in the hotel and the concert. Venue to say. No gyms over there. No gyms over there and protect him from this horrible woman that had come to see him. You know in performance and withstood that that that situation happening to her and she still wanted to see her son and he never saw her again after that. Yeah it's very sad and to me it just reinforces you know this kind of success but commercially and critically comes at a high price and let me let me add that. A look I I. I don't think that a a singular letter Stating that Maybe you shouldn't go down this career path of would clause a quite a reaction. There had to have been a whole lot of shit behind that To get to this. Maybe maybe that was the straw that broke the camel's back but I think The The divorce to His immediate family was probably deeper than than than just A question his His ability as as a musician. The other thing that I might add is nate like like you I I i. I interviewed a lot of of rockstars and To your point Yeah I've heard over and over again that you know when you get right down to it. There was no plan B. I mean that's what you have to do to to be able to make their. There is only plan. A and plan. B. Is being homeless unless you make the Lenin school economics if you start off Not Yeah no plan. B. and also the Decides not brooking criticism and going with people that support. You is being able to withstand great discomfort and you know and not knowing what the future holds and not having any security that that stands out for me and all the biographies I've read is not carrying out security. Which is why I was never musician. You know let let's say let's say that that this this this is Anthony Mathu Anathema excuse me anathema to to the previous generation Who had had had to go through things like the Great Depression and World War Two You know and now here comes this generation of of of Americans who just given the middle finger to that whole world. That that those people you know quote unquote created. You know you know the the Corporate Society in the Organization Man and what have you You know they just said No. We don't have to live this way and I reject that And to the point of no I reject you as a person and knowing one. Cu anymore so there's a lot going on with with the the the interactions with his family that tells us a lot about who morrison was professor. I feel like we've covered the story of Jim. Morrison and the doors Christian Shelley. Thanks so much for coming on. You can listen to these guys on the Rock and Roll Librarian and rock and roll Archeology sorry for my pronunciation. They're both on the Pantheon podcast network which let it roll is proud to be a member of so thanks for coming on the show guys. Glad to have you. Yeah and thanks for having us on your show Follow the lead role podcast on twitter at letter all cast and check out our website at let it roll. Podcasts DOT COM. Nate will be back next week with the host of the T. CB cast to discuss Peter Guralnick's classic biography last train to Memphis the rise of Elvis Presley. Let it roll is a pentium podcast. You can listen to all the other. Great Pantheon podcasts at. Www DOT PANTHEON PODCASTS DOT com? No one here gets out. Alive is published by Warner Books. Please support our show by ordering via the Amazon referral link on our website. Let it roll. Podcast DOT COM Hey everybody this. Is Brian Respond? Host of the podcast side gems which is now a proud member of the Pantheon. Family of PODCASTS. I've been a freelance entertainment journalist for twenty five years now and I often end up in conversations that go off on tangents suddenly discussing someone's outside passion or hobby something you didn't know about and leads to revelations about their character and about their life outside of their art. I've often had to cut those details out because the story had district word count for specific focus so here the entire focus of the podcast is just on their side. Jam Or side jammed for example. Alison Chance Frontman William. 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Does Bill OBrien Have Too Much Power?
"At the start of the NFL off season. The Houston Texans made a move. That shocked the football world. Dre Hopkins is part of that deal. Texans are trading the Andre Hopkins to Arizona pursers. O from Adam Schefter. I have spent the last hour trying to figure out. What in the name of Bum Phillips that bill? O'brien is doing Houston to trade this dude and don't even get a first round. Pick Damn near a fireable offense the man behind that decision and every move for Houston these days if their head coach and general manager. Bill O'Brien today. We're joined by. Aaron Reese who covers the Texans for the athletic to look at O'Brien's radic tenure with the team? How he ended up in this rare position and whether one football mind should ever have this much power I think the reaction is like every GMC call Ville Bride and see if they could get jj watt for a fifth round pick but but it has created this idea that anything on the tape when it comes to this team from wondering and the athletic. 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Train deandre Hopkins while just on its face is an unlikable move and they decided you know you can't afford deandre hopkins which is what. Bill granted said trading. Him is not reasonable. It's what they got back to return. Pretty surprised obviously. David Johnson really hasn't had much of an impact in Arizona in recent memory. And Jerry Hopkins has in Houston. So I think you're Hopkins says quite a few more good years and could justify the big salary extension is going to get it from the cardinals and I have my doubts that David Johnson will have a resurgence in Houston or he is seemingly declining is average. Three point seven yards per carry the past two seasons. I think the reaction nationally right is that Like every GM should call Bill Bryant and see if they can get. Jj Watt for a fifth round. Pick for light that maybe you'll try shots crazy is going to happen like Watson's not GonNa want to sign a contract extension all things but it has created this kind of aura. This idea that you know anything on the tape when it comes to this team because really they are a lot of ways defying the conventional views. Like what is value in this league while and there's also been a lot of talk that this trade went down because of a personality clash between O'Brien and his star receiver. It was a bit of a power struggle there because bill. Brian thought coach. O'brien thought he had too much influence over the locker room. You know he got into talking about the Andre Hopkins. 'cause the Andre Hopkins has a few kids and and from different women. He said he told the Andre doesn't like that. He has his baby mamas around sometimes from that I think the relationship just went bad and thus gender hopkins is on the record with us is saying you know. I had no relationship with bill. O'brien there's a very obvious ill-will between the two guys and I think that that definitely was a driving force and it kind of adds to this narrative again of why people are upset with Bill Bryant personality as much as the trade itself because this is now the second year in a row where he is parted ways with a really talented player and traded for of less than the perceived value. Today cloudy being the other. And so now you basically pennies on the dollar back for this guy who's going to go and instantly when we look at this from Seattle's perspective. It's amazing when a player that Houston might not be sure of. All of a sudden goes to a team like the seahawks. We look at their. Oh yeah this helps them a lot. They'll be one of the favourite and that's another. The contract demands is one thing but it comes to be a question of is the guy not fitting into this team. Culture Bill Ryan is choosing to establish I if so what is that culture really do towards winning the is it actually aiding building a better football team. We've all seen Bill O'Brien's TV personality loved the ninety guys. We have the group of guys the way you come to work but like today Jay Joe. He's busting my balls. 'cause he's looking for juice from me that we're some juice from you guys like how. `Bout you guys bring some juice in fact today you know what I want. I want coaches to just coach individual. And then just shut up and let these guys play. What is he like to deal with? He can't be that kind of gruff person. That you see those moments you know. There's kind of an infamous clip of him after one of their AFC. South Championships were our reporters. Questioned begins by saying wasn't necessarily the prettiest thing. Bill obviously it wasn't the prettiest of games doesn't matter Brian but AFC south champions two years in a row. Brian yet but you guys are back in the doesn't matter what it looked like back in the playoffs looking forward to the playoffs. Exact go ahead. Sorry but he isn't just that sort guy ideal them almost every day during the season and he respects the question. Kind of feels. There was some to do it he can. He can give a thoughtful answer. But I think that that one version of that wants sort of persona that has built up Through those press conference tirades those eight those hard knock moments and then also these traits is all aided in this kind of vision of him. As as this guy who's kind of operating Solo and and Just totally unreasonable. And we'll blow up in anyone and anything that the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Well Bill O'Brien is also on a very short list of NFL head coaches who also hold the title of General Manager. How did he end up in this rare position of power? Before I started covering the team he had kind of reported friction with General Manager. Rick Smith. Who'd been over at the team along time and ultimately Rick Smith wasn't fired he. He stepped away to care for his wife who have breast cancer and and it was supposed to leave of absence but he never retard they brought in another general manager. Brian gain most viewed as a guy signed matching deals that their contracts with run concurrent to one another lesson at a time and Brian game only lasted a season before he was fired. Really big story not only big news but also. They said themselves unusual. Timing a crazy. Timing is what it is and we're we're all baffled we're scratching our heads going. What happened. What happened because for the past year? He's been the general manager for the last year bill. Brian was asked all the time. How's your relationship with Brian Gain? Are Y'all working well together. And they always say yes. We are working well together but apparently not. I'm not saying you know. Ultimately their evaluation was that he wasn't good enough for the job and they pursued Nick Caserio from the Patriots the director of player personnel but the Patriots leveled a tampering. Charge at the Texans and the Texans dropped the pursuit and Bill Ryan was going to take over in the meantime because just the timing of when they fired the general manager and then he's kind of held onto it and then this past offseason. They finally gave him the the actual title. Well let's look for a second at Bill O'Brien the coach. His team has made the playoffs. Four out of six years. He's been in charge but he's also got a reputation for some perplexing in game decisions by step it to the is he has me these kind of perplexing decisions like you mentioned the most reason one and obviously being the fake punt you went for against the chiefs that I kind of seemingly gave the chiefs all the momentum if you just to believe accessible game and then obviously the Texas collapse from their homes with his fourth touchdown pass of the quarter. They have come all the way back from twenty four down and taking the lead in the last minute of the second quarter and butger. It's not easy to win consistently out and everyone say about him. He has done that but I think ultimately what kind of preventing him from being viewed by fans are in Houston and beyond that naturally as one of the really really good coaches that he has not really been made the next step he has a reach the title game. He's not going to receive praise for does taken. The team today see South Championship because he ever legitimate quarterback allowed. You'll think could win a super bowl Shawn Watson and so when you're doing things that are kind of maximizing the window maximizing his chances you're gonNA receive more criticism now. It's all about everything doing around. Him and people are criticizing lot of those other moves. That are happening around to Shawn Watson. And what's Bill O'Brien standing with Shawn Watson and the rest of the team in the Locker Room? I think the most important thing from the locker room is that he still has John Watson support. You might have. But he's no doubt I love that play. Madonna say whatever you want to say you know through other media the writing but quarterback east. Excuse me it's when he was asked about O'Brien after the chiefs loss. Pretty adamantly supported on means shots in the super happy with deandre Hopkins Straight. He was really good friends with Hopkins and they went to Clemson and deschamp tweeting cryptic rap lyrics after after the trade. But I don't think he's. He's losing his quarterback. Necessarily I think deshaun wants to recognize that. He needs to be a useful quarterback to be the right sort of leader for the team. He can't really be bagging on the coach so I think he still has shown a lot support and at the end of day. Fry The most important thing so it's pretty clear that his personality can cause friction with some people around him and he's made a number of moves that have been widely questioned. How secure is bill? O'brien's job I would say very bill. Brian saw has three seasons left on his contract. And he's been the ability to mortgage draft picks trade away stars. Texans are all in right now but you feel like they've really compromise. The future with some of those moves that what. Yeah I definitely do plus. I think it's probably a little rich to pay. Two first round picks on a third round. Pick to the Miami Dolphins for you know for Laremy Tunsil who has potential to be that like franchise left tackle okay. But he hasn't lived up to his top ten pick. Pick billing yet. I get questions fans of you. Know How long until Ryan's GONNA get fired? But the truth is I don't. I don't think it's any time soon. I mean because at the end of the day especially with the expanded playoff field. The Texans are gonNA keep priming making the playoffs. Shawn Watson is their quarterback and stay healthy and that's hard to fire a guy who's GonNa keep making the playoffs and bill. Brian is talking to reporters this series. Es said Kinda you know. He recognizes that. These are heavily criticized. We definitely have to coach better. Midden we didn't do enough to put our guys in good enough physicians to make place. We got it. We definitely have to do a better job coaching. You can tell them kind of his answers that he knows that he has a very high risk right now but he said you know you need years to figure this out or to judge this properly. And that's so but I think that on the other end. How realistic is on Sports? How often do we actually exercise years worth of patients to to judge anyone on? Finally Aaron Does Bill. O'brien have too much power. We'll see in the years to come but right now I would say yeah I mean. He's built a competitive team. He's a good coach and all that but I think at the end today is just never really probably the most productive or efficient way to build a team when you have one guy used simultaneously looking out for the short and long term needs of the team and that's not necessarily so much a knock on him as it is just that it's not really the most functional way of doing things. Well Aaron thank you so much for breaking this doubt becks. You can follow Aaron Racist Coverage of the Houston Texans at the Athletic Dot Com. That's it for this week. Thanks for listening everyone. The lead is produced by me and Matt. Strap fact checking by Ian Hurley. Sound mixing by Weidong Lind. Aaron May and Joe. Richardson beat the Davidson as our editorial director. Our theme song was composed by Lindsey Graham special. Thanks to John Hayes and Nick Adler the show is executive produced by marshal. Louis An air non mopeds for wondering from wonder the athletic. I'm under sculptor. The Davidson see you next week.
Best Of (Mahomes vs. Deshaun, Perkins vs. Durant, Derrick Henry, Tom Brady's future, Amari Cooper)
"Hand disputed listeners. It's Jenny I'm here to tell you about an exciting event. Taking place this Monday January thirteenth in conjunction with the College Football National L. Championship Game Join Fox Sports College football analysts Joel Klatt and Reggie Bush plus rules analysts Mike Pereira on twitter facebook or youtube as as they watched the game. Live with you commenting on all the action between Jonesboro and Lsu and Trevor Lawrence and the Clemson Tigers and honestly guys. Here's my my thing. I wanted to see Ohio state in this one but I think. LSU Joe Borough. I think they win this one. I think this has been storybook year and season for Joe Borough. Oh I'm going with. Lsu Fox Sports National Championship livestream. WATCH PARTY KICKS OFF AT game time this Monday January thirteenth at eight. PM Eastern the Watch Party will feature special guests unique segments halftime breakdown and many other surprises. Be Sure to follow at. CF be on Fox on twitter and facebook and subscribe to CFP on Fox the Fox sports channels on Youtube where you can tune in to join the watch party. The event will be streaming live on all platforms beginning at eight. PM Eastern on Monday January thirteenth. See they're welcome to the undisputed undisputed. PODCAST I'm your host Jenny. Taft this podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon's. Let's go so raining. MVP Patrick Mahomes. And the chiefs are ready to host a Shawn Watson and the Texans on Sunday mahomes led the chiefs to to a twelve four record this season despite missing two games with a knee injury meanwhile does shawn completed eighty percent of his passes last week and a sixteen point comeback against the bills in the wildcard round so Shannon. Who is the better? QB In this game. Mahomes or to Sean. Yup that's Saudi care with right here. So I know candid camera getting you ought to be shaved off. I haven't spoken you ought to have you already said a word. You ought to say. Abe homeboy. Oh do you want me to go to go home. Oh Okay I wanNA make this abundantly clear I wanna make this crystal clear. uh-huh two things I WANNA make a bundle in crystal-clear Patrick Mahomes. Lamar Jackson is going to be the runaway. MVP If you say Jenner you get worn quarterback moving forward. You can have one quarterback. Give Me Patrick. Mahomes boy is not even close because he can do things we haven't seen you know what Steve I need your pulls up over St my chief resorting Tartu Utah Research. He want to Heisman and manages. Does losing footage forgotten just how talented yields because he didn't pro for over fifty touchdowns and five thousand yard. Do you drop that track. I got a little footage. All the homeboy Georgia. Some things kill you seen anything lately this look at this uh-huh air for who caught it as Kelsey. Oh wait the best catcher Joe. Passau wait. Who caught that? Did you see them. Jump legislators give did you know tyreek Hill missed four games this year in the four games that he ms Mahomed. We're four four forty three with three seventy four three point three and three twenty one now. Sammy Watkins semi walk. Is A biggie. Call eight balls for Book Ninety Eight and three touchdowns. Yeah that was the first game against Jacksonville. Many does down Sammy. Watkins Finish killed three. He had I game homeboy. 'cause he's still doing this and like I said what happened is is that when you have historic season zone. Earning his career. Everything that you play after that. That's what is their rogers. Don't declined because he had a historically great season. He goes forty five and six so everything everybody thinks that no. Oh no no no. That's one of the greatest things in NFL history. That's what you see. My homeboy That he can make. They're not even quarterback. I mean either combination that he has the accuracy of their rogers but he has the arm of elway at a bar to throw the ball over the top of your head. At Lytham you've seen rushing for a couple of times now late in the season. CUTTY everybody dropping off. He's terrible. I'm taking Patrick Mahomes I like the Sean. Sean wasn't a proven winner. He could extend in place. And it's just not good enough to get there as buffalo found outs. They had the perfect defense call perfect blitz. Guess what happened. They didn't get him on the ground so I'm not trying to diminish him but if you want to share you get one quarterback. GimMe Patrick Mahomes. Um Your argument to me is as clear as broken glass. Because I'm I'm about to break all the glory that you just blew all over the table if you give me one of those two quarterbacks to go forward and win Games James. I am taken deshaun every Monday Sunday. Thursday Gimme Deshaun Watson any day over Patrick mahomes because Sean clearly early has stronger. Winners intangibles does Shawn Watson will make far more plays with his arm and his legs and his heart heart in his guts in his will. Then I have seen Patrick Mahomes make and I give you got the bigger armed blah blah blah. But he doesn't make more plays because all I really need to show us just one staff. I'll just close the case right here. So pattern has played thirty three career. NFL Games as starter He he has three fourth quarter comebacks and four game. Winning drive deshaun Watson played forty career games so not that many more several career gains. But he's got nine fourth quarter comebacks and eleven game winning drives and that leads the NFL over the last two years. Nobody is is close to doing what he does. The last two games he come in because he started that game. He's the reason behind a Hobo. It'll give so do you remember what Davos said before Sean. After he said if they pass on their Shawn Watson they're passing on Michael Jordan this year before. Jon Gruden played to Shawn Watson. What did he say I see Michael Jordan? I'm talking about game saving game winning plays. He's that you make athletically or just with your will with your spirit. Whatever that thing is this inside the Sean I will take it any day and I will beat your with it in your guy? Let's be clear about this. No quarterback in the history of the NFL has ever fallen into a more advantageous situation situation. That God stop it. that the cody Riley. He pressed trade up to get Dak Prescott and they traded back to get you. But you say I'm just saying they kept saying we want this guy. We missed on him so I can't remember all the guys I know within. They wanted early. Johnny Michigan State Connor Cook so we want this guy now. Oh we missed him. Somebody took so we wound up with the fourth round around guys. So don't tell me it's a similar though. You said no quarterback has landed anymore favorable situation. Would you get Zeke Elliott okay because the top bidder trying to change the subject subject. Because you know I'm going to really bury you with this one. Okay Andy. Reid traded up to take a hose with the tenth. Pick by the way to Sean. Went to exploiter and they did trade up to get him but still. It's a very different circumstance. Because Andy. Reid has done everything in his power and he is one of the great playcallers in the history of this league. He does have offensive genius about him. Andy Reid does and I know it. He's done everything in his power to make. Patrick Mahomes. Look Great. Patrick Mahomes is like the classic case of the Spoiled Rich Kid. who gets everything everything you want this? We'll get you this you are all. We'll we'll get you that. How about the tight end that he has? How about Travis Kelsey? Is there a better route running. Pass catching being tied in and pro football than this guy. There's not as George Kunal. Okay okay but I don't think so. I'm talking about a wide receiver of tied in. WHO CAN MAKE ABC ABC robotic leaping catches has not good hands? He's got great hands. You WanNa talk about the ultimate security blanket depatch. When in doubt he can just look for eighty seven seven and throw it in his vicinity and he'll probably catch it and I gotta look up the name here? What's his name? Oh yeah you ever heard of Jordan Atkins. That's the the answer at tied in that. The Sean has so failed Jordan. Ask but this guy caught the most balls or the titans thirty six travis. Kelsey caught ninety seven balls falls this year and that leads me back to tyree is tyree boy. That's Pretty Sammy Watkins. You mentioned him. How about Nicole Hardman? How about Damarcus Robinson Robinson? How `Bout Byron Pringle? Every time I look they got another speed burner wide if the Hopkin Vinnie good. Yeah he's about it. What what about William Pools? Okay is he gonNA play this weekend. I doubt before now. I'm just ruler. Oh He's not playing this week so you don't have benny tight end of any. No okay. No tied into Vinnie. No you're trying to make the Andrea Hopkins is basically sort of possession type receiver. He doesn't run by people he array about about New England by the way let wise not not. He's not a speed he's not tyreek. There's there's nobody I'm telling you. And then Kansas City is one of the more stable perfectly run organizations you. You can trust day after day. What they're GONNA do? I don't know what's going on with the dysfunction down in Texas because that they don't even have a GM anymore now now bill. O'Brien is supposedly totally in charge. And I gotTa tell you if the Shawn Watson hadn't made one play late against buffalo last weekend. I'm pretty sure bill. O'Brien would have lost his job because that would just be too many disasters after you win the division or have a home playoff game right right and so if we could see that play. The Sean saved the day on just so vintage. This is Jordan esque. I don't think anybody's Michael Jordan but boom boom escape completion. Forty five yard gain forty yards down. I guess it was just one that saved the game one game. He got rocked on one side and the got rocked on the other. He's actually kind of fortunate because he got robbed and got back okay so but that he has done on that consistently what did I say before. He got drafted. All you had to do is look back at the two games against site Knicks. Defense Nick Saban's defense in back to back National Championship Games. I WanNa lost when a win. But let's listen to the numbers against Saint Nick's defense he throws for four zero five. The first game and runs for seventy three that was four touchdown passes and they lose by five. The second one he throws for four twenty and added forty three yards rushing and hit hunter info with one second seconds left to win the game thirty five to thirty one. That's just Jordan. Eskin both games and to me. If you put Deshaun in in the Andy Reid system you'd have unbeatable. What was the thing the not that I will? And if there's not I just think that Sean holds onto the ball. Aw entirely too long. Because sometimes they protect it and sometimes people can't get open with a way to beat you with skip a lot. Some of those Saxon anytime. We see a quarterback sack we automatically assume. It's the offensive line's ball sometimes. Deshaun hold onto the ball to loan. He subjects himself hits that he shouldn't take or in over the course of time. Those add up. I'm not saying that Sean isn't good but that you you do real. WHO's tougher physically we would have you seen what's been displayed for you got? My God is located McKay quarterback state the three week history. The football. Nobody has ever gotten hurt on a quarterback sneaky sip back a punt becky about your three week. I don't know there's always some knickknack snack. Four thousand twenty six and five. All I know is he lost two straight home games and I don't know how hold on if I'm they did tom home game. Now we're changing. This is a classic case of a we doing Tom Brady verses down. But you make it seem like losing to stray home games as a bad thing so losing the Miami Clothes Lunacy now which is worse and you know I give you. The Patrick Mahomes has a huge John. But whose arm is underrated is Shawn Watson. It is rocket arm giving you the you you saw a homeboy throw the ball out of Arrow here. That in the middle of the field just bought over the wall. This does that count. Yeah is that. When did they win that game? We need it all seventy yard. Hail Mary we got it. You got it. I'm taking into Sean all day and all night my will win more games long. It's going to be a good game. I have a feeling this. It's GONNA be or go show you. Why special you show you? Why special? We'll he's got a special football team. He's got a better defense. He's got the most special. We're when you sean. Throwing the slouches. He's throwing a one really good receiver and that's about Russell. Westbrook made his return to Oklahoma City last night and it prompted former teammate Kendrick Perkins to call Westbrook the best player to ever put on a Thunder Jersey Perkins dismiss the idea that he was overlooking Kevin Durant and Katie took exception to this on twitter falling out perkins lack of production doc. Shin with a thunder continued to exchange shots about the validity of durant's two titles with the warriors so Shannon side. Are you on with this once. Let's give really hard to pick a side in this situation. But I have to go. Where perk for the simple fact? He's entitled to his opinion now. Park says I believe and it goes back to franchises the supersonics who morphed into the okay see thunder that Russell Westbrook I I just WanNa make a crystal-clear I disagree with. I'll pay Kevin. Durant is the best player. That's Donald supersonic and o'casey majority but it's not like it's not like per exam with the best rose is average is great years with triple doubles. He is an MVP he did. He did score forty and a finals game. Skip against the against the Miami so so it's not like what per se is outlandish. Is like some people believe that Kobe Bryant is the best Laker. Some people say as magic agic some people say screen as long as you don't say Mark Madsen I fight you. Can you just can't let goes give. It just came K. D.. I I get it if you want to do the emojis. What you the giants like? You like surprised that he said that. Okay but man. You'll ruin friendship over this really skill. Come on man. That's the man's opinion just like you didn't want anybody quick question. You're right via free agency the to go join a loaded team. All part say it was what everybody else is thinking. Katie you know encourage at Bro. You join a team that you had down three one in the western conference finals. You win join do every every NBA player in the lead. I shouldn't say every there's no such thing all in every but ninety five percent believe that was a week sauce moved by that's their opinions just like Katie. Had A right right. That's his choice to go where he wanted he gets so upset. He don't want anybody to hell opinion that different from his so but I got a ride with perks. Because that's his opinion don't agree with it. Kevin Durant is the ATL know Casey. But that's personal opinion Katie shouldn't get upset about that so to your the initial point about the Lakers. Lots of people think Kobe was the greater. A Lotta people think magic was a great. There's a segment that think. Think Kareem abdul-jabbar Greatest Laker. I can just keep going round and round and round all of those years. Nobody thinks Russell Westbrook was the greatest thunder. Nobody nobody is ever made that case. Except for our man perk. That was outlandish. That was Out of bounds. I don't know if he's trying to get a rise outta but then as fighting words it worked and K. D. will respond. He'll respond onto anybody. Respond to Kendrick Smith on. It wouldn't matter but the point is that once the fight started a park got newt he got dumped on in public about four times because that one shot fired back about you average to wapping to. We went three in that series that they were going back and forth. But you played hard champs play. Dr Kendrick always played hard right right but part with with evidence saying one thing toward acl. In Boston when he when he told me that knee injury in the final the Lakers. He wasn't the same okay so but but I think we all agree with that now to your week sauce. Point about Kevin Durant a lot of people definitely thought that act. I'll go ninety eighty percent of the NBA world in the twitter world and the social world thought weeks all right but Kevin durant backed it up and just for the record. I'm going to say this one more time. I'm pretty sure I was the first to report two years before Kevin left that he was leaving. Russell Westbrook Brooke that. He had decided two years before he would never be able to win a championship. With Russell Westbrook as his primary decision-maker so I I did not condemn him. In fact I didn't even criticize him for joining a team that they had just had down three games to one in the conference finals. I got it because the truth was the warriors begged him to join. It wasn't just a luxury to add them on. No it was there centerpiece. It was a necessity because how many times did you told the story about Draymond. Women's Party locked cry at any time. I mean yes yes. Yeah it's feelings. Of course get back. Did he take a shower. Yup and Katie. Call the call him. Cato you call him K. K. K. K.. Lebron did it to the opposition same Draymond to ultimately called that manned the B word sitting on the bench against the clippers. What you starting to see if their people when they get upset we walk But I think even today mind in his heart heart's on a lie detector would say boy he was the best player we ever right but to be affirmed. Believe to it can be true. Yeah you can beat a player if deal you know that beat a guard utility. You know what I'm saying. Yep Yup that is trying to do. Those things can definitely be true but not only did K. D. joined the chance but are they weren't the champs of that right join the a juggernaut right but he led them to back to back championships by winning finals. MVP and I did not see that coming to this day. I'm like aw I'm like genuflecting to Kevin Durant because with the weight of the NBA World on his shoulders. Everybody waiting for him to fall on his face. In the first go round against Lebron he went into Lebron's house in game three and just took the game over and made the shot of shots. Right in Lebrons Mug to win the game. We're put it to you like this guilt. What if somebody says Steph? Curry is the best player to ever play for the Golden State Warrior. Now Rick Berg. They're going to say we'll some people who say Rick Barrel K.. Whatever a lot of people would say Rick Barry Okay? Katie will fit K. D. War Warriors Jersey idea probably another example. I give you one better skill. People say Dwayne Wade is the best player ever to wear he jersey. Now I'm GONNA disagree because I believe he got it. Wore six. Those four years was the best player to where he jerks. which you're bringing up debatable issues? The Oklahoma City thunder issue is not debatable. It was Kevin Durant I and lab. It was Kevin Kevin Durant. I think after he lift because Ross the thing is that Ross could've asked to be moved after Katie lip and he didn't so I think Ah Perkins per- I think what Parker saying like this guy stayed when he couldn't live there. Let's get triple W.. And you you call the triple W. average triple double double. He's going to win the MVP and he followed up again. He's bothered up again. Give me you try to make. It seem like it's star front now if you want to say if Kendrick wanted to tweet he's the hardest plane thunder player for you. Boy You got no okay. But he said the best. If you WANNA say that Russell was the most exciting hiding thunder player you might. You can make a strong case for that if you can say. He was the more lovable of the two year. Boy You've got that because K D's name is it's mud right right now. An Oklahoma City to stay golden state. He just tends to do that. By the way your point. About burning the bridge between him and Kevin Kevin doesn't play like that AH he'll go back and forth and then he'll get out it doesn't seem to faze given he doesn't take he doesn't let it carry over like he does argument uh-huh I believe it is believed that I am the greatest tidy and in Baltimore Ravens history now. Some people might say todd. He Todd he was drafted. He's been more years. Here's there sure no discussion go back and forth with Ray Lewis or some of the guys that were guys. I played widow twitter because we gotta disagreement about who was better. Okay you I believe that AOL. Okay but perk was just play into the crowd as he knew what was he was going to create a firestorm and I think he knew in his heart of hearts that Katie was going to respond and he did. It's Kinda like you know animal then there every because he's come about would you be Katie. CADDYSHACK yes I do. He know he knows it in their new skip. You know what per sitting there right so if I see it but I'd give him smirking a little bit like you know what it was a smart. Yeah I would agree. Let me see what I can do here on Berkeley. You know Pergama. Fritz Buddha public park. I think I might get what you're really really Arctic. Q. Would against on K. D.. Then he goes to weakest moving in NBA history now. That's a mouthful manic. It's little you got different. Yes skip you think perkins the only one default. They're no. There are a lot of no but he said it tweeted it. It's out out there for posterity alone. Did you think draymond sit on what he thought K. D. before he actually uttered it. That wasn't no spur of the moment. You don't say the I think he'll mind. And the argument. Oh you thought about that a long time. Do you think about stuff a long time before you build occurs stomach to say draymond uttered the same aim word Lebron James in the middle of game four and he'll the what was it twenty fifteen finals right. Yeah he said that. Be Way Lebron a now. They're like business park with Katie lebrons kept tours as to what you say. Katie without a boogie. Geno call me again here. Lebron Bras up first of all the pomo basketball aside. I'm a I'm a father. There are certain things you don't say the meal the core for the deal with you. I don't remember that what he's saying. I think he just put words in his mouth. But I'm just saying what did he do. It talked to Boogie Boogie. You you go talk to mom for me to tell the apologize apologize for nothing. By the way that B word from Draymond to Lebron Changed Lebron's legacy because it got that literally that word because he yelled it out you could hear it at courtside. It got draymond suspended for game five and turned that series around. We're going to get. Lebron would have another libra libra a libra. Say We got this. He's all we. We gotTA DO A win game. Five the pressure. Because you're not going to beat us in game. Six Eighty got that forty one here in Cairo. And then you've got another one and put that twenty Taylor. Hi Redraw Willing to block heard round the world thanks to Jr Smith the block built for to like a bicycle icicle. Bicycle is this the end between the two or do you think we'll see more tweets later. Go back now. It doesn't miss a thing on social media so he won't be he got people on Stale. Do Right Hey kate. Each thank in the League leading rusher. Derrick Henry has hit his stride at the right point. The titans running back has gone over one hundred yards arts and six of his last seven games including is one hundred and eighty two yard game on the ground. That single Hanley knocked out. Tom Brady and the Patriots in Foxborough last week That day was also his birthday Fox more than analysts. Eric Dickerson joining us now. Eric do you see any of yourself endure. That's a great question first of all good morning. Good Morning You know I met Derek and really Nice young man where did you meet him it was a signing what city Chicago and this guy say. I want you to meet Derek. I wanted to meet him. It was it was coming to his rookie season. Okay season so I I walked up to him like a big run in bed. I'm sixty three to twenty to twenty five. And he is why I'm he's he's he's big and I think he's about six four and a half. Almost I mean he's a big guy so what I'm seeing so I was at the game skipping. Tober when the broncos play you take their kid to forty five day here with fifteen twenty pounds his not to forty five fifteen twenty miles to me. We're going six four and a half have to sixty two easy six five or six four and a half This is a huge human. There's a big man and you know and the thing I think Gouin people come out of college. You know I think about those Alabama running back take a lot of hits rest a lot of hits and look at speed I think four or five five one real. We're not real fast but to me. That forty is always overrated. Yes I think so. I think you know you cannot really compare guys the heart of especially running back me. I run a four three forty a four four three four three four three one and when I looked at him. And I'm like there's a lot like me but you know the thing is is that would derrick Henry as the game goes on just like I did as a game and you get to those twenty five thirty care. All of a sudden asks for Dass when defense don't want anymore you start New England. I won't forget when I I played. We played the the the the Detroit lions rookie season. I came on the field. And you know you've been hearing I got because it's going to be running back Dan. Dan Must be running back. And I guarantee you guys at about Derek say man. That's a defensive Lineman I mean and in the fourth quarter you know you don't WanNa you don't won't take them hits and I can tell you we play the Dallas here we go again after upscale and you've talked about the playoff playoff game boy. I was giving it to a matter of fact it was one one guy that Eugene Lockhart near Eugene hated each other hated each University of Houston. We always talk noise each other. So that game. I couldn't wait. You know he he was talking talking talking to him and I don't really I don't really talk and that third quarter you've tried to arm. Tacking broke form when he. When I went by that hurt? That did it I could. Let's see I didn't. They didn't want anyone. No more than dairy hinder. You see the same thing later on in the game those defenses. They just don't they don't want him anymore. Okay so we are starting to see a little Eric Dickerson in Derrick. Because I like the big bags I mean I feel like a big back can really addition I because think about late in the game God is five eight five. What is he really going to do? I'm just got back. He's quick I mean but I got a six four six five you six three them linebackers they gotta take on those they gotta they gotTa Rasa with his office blaming Glamor. I gotTa make this tackle cold and rainy. See Look at look at look on Aug. targeting. Now he don't you know I'm I'm just GONNA I'm GonNa push him out. They making business business decisions with him. What when I look at is I the only thing that the similarities between you two guys both of your big running back but upright running style? Ed was not run to contact running back run. He looking for collegiate it. If I need the first down I get you okay. Okay but Henry. He's not avoided any contact. I down second third down. It doesn't matter. He's looking to punish somebody for the bear. Talking about come come late third. Fourth quarter may turn it down. I'm making Nah. I want this bound. I'm not trying to stop you in the hole so that's really the only similarities get we ask about. Could he be an all time. Great with early the week with Reggie I said I'm going to need more production because Eddie led the League in rushing his first two years four. Four four you. I think you you lead the league erosion so we saw that production from E. D. early on and it didn't stop. He Shaved Stephen Lee Russia. So for me I'm GonNa see the need to see a little a little bit more of it but skip you gotta see. I just wish people could see Derrick Henry up close yes to really get a sense of just. How people's like man you be Doug Henry Outweighs me about fifteen twenty pounds? I promise you. And he's got two six four six three bare minimum easy easy six four. I'm telling you see a dumb question. Why listed him at six three then if he's bigger and as more sometimes I I I want to listen bigger yet because the day the guy was if he was five ten the guy was six four six six and a half to fifty five? Maybe thirty five. It's Alabama running back to be three to forty five to sixty liked to slow man so I've said many times sitting in this chair with this man sitting in my left he to me was the greatest running back ever carried a football and there are a bunch of great wins. But I just I believe in power and speed the combination. I've never seen anything like this. But I had the privilege of seem when he was a freshman in his first summer camp camp at southern Methodist University and it was just extraordinary it was man among boys when he stepped on your first. SMU practice field. But to my I and I'm just watching TV. I've been watching a whole lot of games. Olongtime it really knocked. My eyes is out to see what he did to the Patriot. Defense on Saturday night. Because what is the mantra about Bill Belichick. He takes away what you do best. He couldn't take this away. His defense was quitting on him in the fourth quarter. Because of every reason you just gave I said it's a Moose WHO's running like a deer? Because I saw a burst that shocked me a burst that I've been hoping that I would continue to see in. My Guy Ezekiel Elliott. But I did did not see this. I'm talking about TV burst where it leaps off your screen. You say really because I get run over people but he was also running past asked people one hundred eighty two yards ninety. Six of those yards came after contact. So he's running over somebody and then he's accelerating. I didn't know he had that in it because I don't think the titans thought he had that in him. This is a fairly new phenomenon. Rhino he led the League in rushing. But he didn't really catch fire until until the last five games when they started feeding the beast he averaged twenty six carries a game the last five. And they're just going up up up up up and I'm looking thirtyish odd gathering of what you what was your high Carey's thirty eight thirty eight well. I wouldn't be surprised if we see thirty. Five carries carries at Baltimore depending on if they can score i. Let's give splitting carries with the right. He's the guy that he needs bare. Minimum Twenty Five K.. Right because it's those tears they had. They had signed Dion Lewis their little scat right from New England. Right right right and for the longest they were trying to put the game. mm-hmm and Marcus Mariota's hand and finally they said no more of Him Ryan Tannehill. You got the job but we're going to feed the beat right okay. And if Ryan Tannehill L. throws ten passes. They're going to be happy if they win. Because that's how they play football right okay but if you look at the cameras careers if you look at him. His Sophomore Year he had limited touches coaches. It's like okay man. That's a big guy. He can do some things and then his junior year when they gave him all those churches. Twenty two hundred yards. He's a guy he needs the ball. He's not like some guys like we see Guy Split. Carry them sometimes. Then get twenty dollars that game against Ram here. What thirteen fourteen cares? Go for dairy hindering. Their Henry leave carries and if you give him carry you reap the benefits detail in the last ten. To twelve cares is where you see the yard because everybody is tired of trying to bang on his trudeau the first wheel to fifteen diesel short. You started up and it's going on. I know you're going to get at open road. Offset it's yeah. Yeah and and that's Derrick Henry. I mean I was a back I liked over twenty cares. They people say oh he got fifteen fifteen. Th that's no care care nice to me to give me one that twenty five twenty six. I was good with thirty carries me now. So can the potential next Eric Dickerson Kerry the Tennessee. Titans to a win at Baltimore on Saturday night. Who that's going to be a tough one? You know what I think that if I'm the titans if if they win the coin toss they should take the ball. They need the school right into school. And they they take them and tab that fifteen play drive you know fifteen play get it on down China and because I think people say that you know Baltimore's has had two weeks off you know they might be a little bit of risk three. They may be a little bit rusty. But let me tell you something. This is well oil machine that well coached I don't think that the Baltimore Ravens will lose this football game unless by some chance that say that they can and sustain these. Just keep Lamar Jackson on the sideline. That's the only thing I agree with that but other than that. I think that I think that Baltimore win this football I also my school. I'll give you a thirty fourteen. I think I think it's not. I think they'll beat him. Google thirty four. I think they'll beat them. Really good. I mean you gotta understand this as you know. This is a really good football. They really they really do a lot of things really well and opening drive. They're normally really good really at your. You don't want to say you don't want to say I want them to send that message. Will Lamar comes on the first and he goes fourteen sixteen plays and three weeks bigger and bigger run they. What really concerns last week about the Patriots running the football which Your Score Gore one hundred twenty three so you got fairly solid one twenty points but I got a bad feeling for or my Guy Lamar Jackson? I love Lamar Jackson. The League needs Lamar to advance. Fox Needs Lamar to advance the Super Bowl. Super Bowl is on Fox. Undisputed will be. They're all week on South beach and yet this is wrong place wrong time. I feel fear for the Ravens because three weeks. It's almost almost three. Weeks is twenty days off is just too many for a young quarterback and a hot offense. I think they will start slow while Tennessee will go in there and start fast. I think Tennessee will score I and maybe score second if they score second also it's GonNa be a long day because they're going to have to try to tackle the Moose runs like a deere. I don't think I don't think the League is figured out Lamar Jackson yet. You know one thing is especially with the quarterbacks and you really can't hit him and he can do so many things you know and I said this to some friends resume with we're talking about Lamar Jackson when you fast you do everything fast you you you you move fast. He runs fast and he reads. He reached the defense is really does he does that. That read option you see. It's almost like you read option. I see the guy coming open fast and so I don't think it's GonNa Change. I mean I just feel like that I I know you. His last year San Diego beat him up he had to. He had a terrible game. Lamar Jackson went to Louisville. He didn't go to Alabama. I mean he's a guy like myself he's he's guarantee he's heard his whole life. You can't do it you can't do. You can't play quarterback I think at one point. They want to move from quarterback his mom went to say. Oh No oh. My son played quarterback receiver say. Nobody ever said. You couldn't do anything they did did. I Miss Give you the this is number one recruit in the nation. But let me tell you the number one recruit but you're not kept. He's so much smaller school as I. I heard it Eric. Plan pro football when the county dim the big boys being will make it up there. What did college away tickets at a pro deal but then and all of a sudden when I had the two thousand? Yeah yeah he good with him. I kinda back a couple of class. Eight uh-huh Walker Bailey. Myself my robe. I George Rogers class as you. Just I was telling the same sense with Herschel Walker about a little brother. NFL player Wa Valley. Big Big dog is who was the thirteen gays over looking forward to this. Oh by the way did you see what their rolexes Q.. So you guys talk about combat rolexes rings boots. I Love I pro bowl and all pro was ninety three. I took my buddy and I bought off his Lima rolexes. You take care of them go back read that again. Does he have to buy another old. Lots of ways something. Eric always good to have you especially for that one well based on Tom. Brady's most recent instagram posts. We know he wants to keep playing saying but we don't know is what team it will be four. According to Peter King when Brady is looking for a team to sign a new deal with King thinks quote the surrounding cast past is going to be a little bit more important than money. So Shannon agree. That brody is focused on the supporting cast over money and his new deal he should. He should go where he could win. But here's the most important thing it brady where the league. His legacy is depending on him. Winning and supporting cassie people think supporting cast ask. There's always running back wide receivers into line. But he had the number one scoring defense vassal supporting cast also and I think people lose sight of that skip coach ability according to take hands around him with anything will giving you top. Ten scoring defense is year after year after year. That enable us and even if you don't play well yeah not the demand mini. Tom Brady skill. But I think the thing for him the most important thing is him bursts Bella check and he has to a win. The hit is different than him in pain because pain called everything. Baiting did everything no matter. The head coach. It did help that he ended up going to denver getting to sue boating winning one but everybody as long as he was initially were paid running everything so whether it was done dungy or or coach car will pay and got the credit he wants to Denver Gold John Fox and Gary Kubiak but paying call on his play so this is the most important is imperative that if he leaves New England skill he goes where he commit went immediately. Because there's not his team against the Patriots is him versus belchamber inability goes twelve and five to twelve and four braided. Ten six eleven. And I don't let Bill Check with a playoff game and Brady doesn't Um you know you know how this thing gets gets spun so the most important thing for him. Forget the money if I can go somewhere else get because look when paid many made a decision here at three choices Arizona Tennessee or the broncos to other places have more money on the table. But they didn't and have Dimitrios and decker and Julius Thomas and no Sean in Von Miller. They didn't have all that Denver did. That's what Peyton inspector it absolutely the supporting cast. What give me the plans to get to beat the brakes off coach Belichick? Okay I got ya so of late in the sports swirled we've had to deal with to run away media trains to erupting volcanos of misinformation number. One was this notion Chin that Jerry Jones is now committed defining his next Jimmy Johnson upcoming college coach who will change life in Dallas and that he is leaning toward his new good good friend Lincoln Riley many times we have to deal with that maybe even urban Meyer. By the way I ran into urban in the hallway works at Fox yesterday he just shrugged and Said said I never even got a phone call so obviously he was never in the plans remotely ray unhappy about it because onwards up. He'll be just fine but I I do think he would have made a great next coach of the Dallas Cowboys House. They might be still sitting in that checks to right. Well you pretty well too so oh that was misinformation number one because then Jerry flip that script completely on its head and said No. I was looking for the most experienced coach will. That's all I read days was. He's looking college. There's even some Matt rule to that but it wasn't like all of a sudden Mike McCarthy became available available. Mike McCarthy never even came up okay until he was forty eight hours now. This brings us to misconception number. Two over the last a couple of weeks and that is Tom Brady. Now wants mattress money. That where did this come from Tom. Brady is not known to confide in any media people. It's not like he has lots of off the record relationships with lots of local New England reporters right. I don't know where it started. But boy it took on a life of its own and we had to deal with Rob Parker on our show yesterday. Just annihilating Tom Brady for. How dare you want Max money? Now after you've taken Tony more discount all those years. There's no way he wants top dollar in fact to me. Tom Brady should basically basically offer to play for free to the Los Angeles chargers who have one weakness that needs to get addressed and fixed and it's what protects him the offensive long. They got all the other components of a great offense. They got the running back and the little running back you can catch it. And they got lots of lose a Melvin. Gordon probably going to be gone. Maybe skill you just don't know defense okay in Bolsa endure and James You got pro bowl and in your cornerback skills so you you got pieces you got lots of pieces so you just need to be able to protect. The forty. Was the three three year old. Tom Brady so if he goes in and says pay me the minimum. You can factor all that money you can channel it into free. The agency or get high draft picks and the offensive line. Why would he want money? He's never wanted money and by the way I don't think he he needs money. Well what would be the point of now trying to make a statement. I'm forty three and I deserve forty million dollars. I mean Tom Tom Look at it like I don't need any more money. Only militias either. You know that's the thing I but I think for him skip if he can go to a situation and he have quality receivers quality tied in office. That can protect a defense. Because if you put all your money we we've seen teams with all the money on offense and then they have bottom feeder at defense and then wonder wonder why they lost well. Tom Understands that you'll look. I can't have Julio Mytalk while receives. I'm not going to get killed. Look Travis kills the tiny. I'm not GonNa have all that but you give me a little bit more than what I got for me. Skip is this is simple. If not that complicated all he leaves. Is Tom Brady Bill Guy. Well that's fine. So why wouldn't you match your chances to put him back. You don't. I'm needed money. You don't need salary by the way you know you would have left talented roster or twenty million would've talented Roth. Okay or twelve million ten million. Oh you go he go home. That seems low. Remember what Tim Duncan didn't his last five years as spur. He was taking taking single digit millions taking six five million again just to maximize the bench. I believe what I'm saying Tom. He made twenty three. Skip hard for me to see that he takes less than twenty okay but but to what end what a couple of million when your whole legacy is on the line line against the coach you deeply deep down. Don't love what you would want him to say. Okay well why not. Why I'm I'm serious about this? Why wouldn't you offer to play for free? What do you need that money for? Obviously there but but your wife makes a whole lot of money on what you're worried February cow money moustache. How many times have I told you? It's about Lebron James. All that should matter right now are championships chips. How do you maximize your opportunity to win a championship? You take less money you know. Lebron Jane what you see it would all the discounts. They've given Tom Brady. Where's the money that I don't know it feels sabotage? What happened with bill belichick because he never provided anywhere? We're near the supporting cast that Tom's discount shooter provided by looking at it wasn't like element and Amendola Hogan like you broke the bank stadium radio the running back situation office. You're not paying them tired. Smith Zack Martin tight. Money was the only one that made some decent money and that was early because the tail deleted. He wanted the contract because he saw Beth underpaid in the last four years the only one they paid for stuff. That's it where. Where did the money go? I'm saying he take all these discounts and Brady problems them back like hold on. I'm thinking audie discounts money okay. That's why the mattress elsewhere elsewhere and I'm pretty sure I was the first to say this. Maybe three weeks ago I just believe. La chargers make all the sense in the world. I tell you what you don't charge ars. They got a guy that got big money. He got more money than Mister. Kyle Stan Kroenke me. Oh okay got it. Wait the charges of the rams all of the ramp. No we're doing those although album crap. Yeah Yeah Okay. But here's the thing you go into the the big new building. That's why the chargers need him as badly as he needs to know that you need me. The PRI- shot Chata okay. Well okay but that's self defeating. I don't get I get most people would think that was killed all those guys that are there and Mike Mike Williams and keenum out there on the contract joy both Mel ring or under contract now both. Wow Yeah you probably got one more year before you have to paying big dollars. So this is it five million Tom and Latman. You live in Brentwood again on that and star in the greatest new stadium in sports skill is a log in two zero rule player association. Not like they would not it. Did it happen now. They'RE GONNA start paying everybody your wages. Everybody would make an exception for that guy. He is the goat. He's going on forty three. No take the boy to contract. We're not allowed to operate if I'm sorry he's Tom Brady can do whatever do you. He's play associate. He's the one except this job. Because you know you know. How old is that what they want everybody to be? That's what got them messed up in Dallas right now. Tom Brady has taken pay cuts and they won't air by to take a peek. Jerry always say do you realize the size of check. I'd write for another Lombardy. Would you realize how little money Tom Brady would take for another quickly before the cowboys wide. Receiver Amari Cooper is is set to become an unrestricted free agent. This off season. According to pro football focus. Amari has all the tools to be a top five receiver in the League and could command a huge salary especially considering that Amari is only twenty five years old which is considerably younger than the other. Receivers like Julio Jones Jerry Hopkins those elite receivers that we're seeing right now. Shannon does Amari deserve to be the highest paid receiver when you deserve. But do I believe he should be the highest paid. No Oh based on production and skip. He's too inconsistent. Do you know that he's never had back one hundred yard games when he would the cowboys. The the last seven games with the seasons get zero one hundred yard games now. The I think the two highest papers with Mike Thomas Mike. Thomas had seventy more catches achieve in five hundred yards. Tamari Julio head twenty more catches and two hundred more yards than Amari and the thing that he misses yet they they he might be younger. But there's nobody. There's not one even Dallas Cowboy fans that will take Amari Cooper over Julio Mike Common Ordeal Andre Hopkins C.. Getting what you deserve absorb is not being about good is about being free and Amari Cooper is about to be free so I don't ever WanNa say he deserted Hilo deserve that you get with the market of beer skipped. They don't franchise him he's GonNa hit the over market and you not overpay. Because why would I leave where I'm comfortable. If I'm married I got wife. I got kids would come through. We've been in the community. Why would uproots that if you learn to overpay me to come to you? So somebody's GonNa pay him somewhere between in eighteen twenty million dollars. Because I Mike Mike. Thomas got some. We've got you know like Twenty million one hundred million yields close to over twenty million. Julio got what three hundred sixty six million like sixty guaranteed at the time of signing. So he's going to have some payday skill but I don't think when I look at Amari Cooper. I'm not taking him. Yeah I'm not. I'm not taking Markova. Adam feeling. I'm not I'm not taking a Mike Evans Chris Good Godwin. I'M NOT NO SKIP. No no no no no no. They're they're they're way receiver. He top five. You could say that by any any position you could say he could be a top five player earlier named the player that you can't say that about if you works already Yada Yada you know. What is he now Omar Cooling not top five? You realize I'm not fighting back DOC. Right now is tearing me up. I am losing sleep over this topic. I love him I love him not I love him. I love him not not not not not not he changed life. When Jerry acquired a midseason last year it turned the whole year and and team around and they took off and won eight of their last ten games and he developed a sensational report? Wave linked with Dak Prescott. They do love each children. He loves the ball that act throws and Dak loves the routes that he runs because he is a technician route years and he's still only twenty five years of age so I'm going to bite through the bullet and say Jerry is stuck has no choice but to do it. You're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't exactly as you replace them with what I don't know. Can you snap your fingers and get Michael Nope you cannot. There are days. I'd rather have nikial hairy than Mario Cooper. But here's the problem with Amari Cooper. I'm afraid you're going to have to pay. AM top dollar. I'm talking about number one receiver. The top of the food chain of receivers for eight gains a year because he is is sensational at home and he is basically a bust on the road. If I just give you quickly the numbers just this year. Eight home eight away. He caught fifty fifty two balls at home. He caught twenty seven away at scary man. He averaged seventeen yards a catch at home. Twelve yards a catch away. That's significant drop. He averaged not average heat. He caught forty balls for first downs at home. Only fourteen for first downs away. His catch rate at home was eighty percent eighty percent. That means of all. Your targeting fought eighty percent on the road. Fifty two percent of the passes thrown to individual neurones Maroteaux. It's terrible it's scary. And what happened at New England. I had to sit and watch the receiver. I love. Take himself out of the game. Game because Stefan Gilmore embarrassed in La locked him up to the point he basically said no moss. What did they what is really gotta with give they say now? You want to sit with us because you doing more damage than you help us to series at the game is on the year is on the line and the coaches said after the game we took him out on performance not because he gave up he was getting owned by some DB. They don't have anybody can own you. They pulled him because they thought especially to the last play. The game. They thought Blake Jar win. Gave them a better chance of catching the ball. In the end of the year. The hundred and five hundred and ten million with sixty Sending me and guarantee wow would you do. He's always nicked up and I can't. We'll never know how hurt a player is you gave him some breaks during the year. And you'd say well I think he's her. Yes okay. He had a foot injury that led to an ankle injury that led to the neons. Were Libertarians Guild battles when they give you the big big dollars gotta go gotTa play in. I'll even harked back to the debacle at the jets this year. What happened on the first play of the game he catches the ball and gets just routinely? Tackled me look routine. And he pulled himself out for the rest of the game that they lost twenty four to twenty two to the jets well again now. Because he's free. You gotta pay. I am number one dollars. We'll skip all you gotta do. What when you look at it you about to have if this thing? According to way Jerry plans you about to have Minnesota the offense you about to have Phelan digs you. Bought the have a Rudolph Dow Been Cook. offencive line is better than Minnesota. Because now Taylor and you're GONNA have read Random O.. J. Rifle John Taylor skill to break it up. But Jerry's going to hope that Mike McCarthy it makes Amari Cooper his devante atoms and maybe you never know right now. Thank you for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm on Johnny to keep an eye out for the weekend edition of the podcast tomorrow morning featuring this week's best segments have a great week. Everyone it's one of.
Tom Brady leaving New England, Jameis vs. Cam, Hopkins + O'Brien, Dak Prescott
"Hey Yeah Jimmy here when you speak for yourself you're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself the sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast and this show. You need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook or instagram feed? Sf Y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want. So welcome aboard buckle up and enjoyed a rise. Where bag WANNA speak yourself for Hyundai Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley? Marcellus is good to be back is great to be back man Safe saying good to see family and you know there's going to be even crazier ties for us because we're expecting this week. Our fourth child so on top of everything else going on in this world. We're going to add a dish and to the fan right now. The Corona virus way above our pay grade. So we're GONNA get right to what we do here on speak for yourself and F s one and s talk sports as a football talked. Tom Brady Bill Belichick. We haven't had a chance to do that. We were M. I a all last week when that news broke. Tom Brady Edited Bay two year. Contract fifty million dollars guaranteed didn't offer the Patriots a chance to counter or even really engage with them. Tom Brady wanted Outta here. Marcel is my take is after twenty years. This is the typical split that happens a father son relationship. And that's where bill can brady had a father son football relationship and eventually the child grows up and the boy wants to be a full blown man and he starts bucking against his father aged. Eighteen nineteen twenty years old. And there's a split happened with me and my father. I was in the wrong. I'm wondering if you think anyone is at fault here in the Brady bill check split. Tom Brady leaving New England to go to Tampa Bay. Yes somebody definitely is at fault. Right here I don't think this is a typical of family relationship. I don't think this is a typical family. Father Son Split Because the father the son much more love than we've seen Tom Brady receive from Bill Belichick and turns of adoration and appreciation. So I hope I'm not raising my son this way but That point to decide. I think there is someone at fault. And it's not bill belichick because Bill BELICHICK DID WITH BILL. Belichick does which is. I'm GonNa sess you coldhearted in a manner? That is strictly about production. And what I see in you going forward. I think that even Tom Brady. Who went twenty years deprived of the full law and the respect that he deserved with his production and his goat. Status said enough was enough. Let alone enough is enough. But it's actually Robert Kraft Bob Kraft sits there trying to keep his hands clean in a situation where he has full control if he really wants to rectify it so we saw Tom. Brady say hey man. Something that is well done is better than well said. Bob Kraft is on a campaign of full page ads and put a billboards and sending out hallmark cards. How much he loves Tom. Rating how great he is. You mean how. Grady was because this is the same. Bob Kraft that erupted. The Jimmy G. Tree in offering Tom Brady Bill. Belichick was trying. Bob Kraft said no no no Tom Brady stays. He didn't do that this time for a reason because he like everyone else realized that. Tom Brady's better days are behind. Listen I disagree with you about the father son relationship part because it all depends on what type of father you have. Some people have fathers who they're constantly trying to please and they can't please them. Listen a mother gives you unconditional. Love a father's love a lot of times comes with a lot of conditions and I think for good reason. I think that's the proper relationship I think. A Lotta Times win raising a son between a mother and father. Mother's GonNa love you up and father's going to correct all your mistakes and you're gonNA feel like hey man this dudes always on my back. But he's actually always looking out for my best interests and he's he's trying to protect contrived to guide me in a way and again the I ask me and my father had this relationship and I know some other guys relationship like this with their father. Bella shared to me. I don't think he's in the wrong here and I blamed Tom Brady like I blame myself because there was a time when you know me and my father were at war when I was a young adult he and again I go back to lie. Tom Brady and this Alice Guerrero situation. And I don't want to compare but there is some compare. My father didn't like some of my friends. He didn't want me to associate with some guys that he felt. We're going to different direction than I. And what the culture he had tried to create for me. And so I think when I look at Alex. Guerrero and the TB twelve and how they had the disputes about. How involved Guerrero should be how involved Tom? Brady's coach that he was trying to bring New England. How much influence. Belichick wanted that to have over what they had already created. I see a lot of father son dynamics and I think just like me after about five six years down the road after being my dad had a major blow five six years down the road I was like damn he was right and I. I should've listened to him. I would have been better serve bowing to his wisdom his experiences years but again I just think this is the typical curve between a father and son and I think as it relates to football. Tom Brady had the most demanding father. And the history of the NFL. And this split was inevitable and I think at the end of the day Tom. Brady's GonNa say you know what I should have stuck it out there? Yes this guy is a whole yes. He's hard to please of my God. Look at what all we accomplish. He'd made me and help me become the greatest quarterback and perhaps the greatest athlete in team. Sports history. Maybe I shouldn't have left and look. That's the crux of the problem. Right there The wonder generates so messed up. We have father's life debt. You can never please them fully totally get their full longer respect. I don't think that's always well. It's necessary for someone to be incentivized and to be fully motivated but in this situation is interesting that in two thousand seventeen. There were talks of training. Tom Brady so use it. Bella check against himself. That was premature because Tom Brady. Went to two super bowls in one one at the same time. Bill Belichick thinks that Tom Brady needs to be shipped elsewhere. Thankfully at that time Bob Kraft was the voice of reason stepped in with his full power that he had been and that he has now. So if you're Tom Brady look after father's dead demanding. Let me show you father did. I can't leave this nest and that you have helped and support and raise me to gold status but I'm GONNA goat now. It's time for me to go out there and show you that I can divorce our reputation of Bella check made Tom Brady. Tom Brady has to sit there and quiet time that think about. Hey I did a lot of this myself. The decision making the poise in problem times just the throws the accuracy. Lot of that is not a lot of that. Is Tom Brady between the white lines doing his job. So all that said they both can be correct but they both have to be on a mission to prove that the other was wrong and my only problem with Tom Brady is time. I think he's waited too long to fully go out and prove his point. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. There's a lot of weapons down in Tampa Bay. I think Bruce Arians is a Helluva coach. I'm excited for Brady and Byron left which to work together. Maybe he'll be proved me wrong but I just think forty to twenty years in it. It's almost like to go out and prove that point that you can do it with our Bella check and that system and that comforts you have in New England. Why to forty to look when we've all you recently been there. I remember going into my forties and I know Tom. Lives a completely different lifestyle and does all the things that take care of his body. But I just don't see him able to prove that point and the way he clearly and this is why people were adamant that he was leaving New England because they knew Tom Brady wanted out. I think the Patriots and even Bill Belichick at the right price still wanted Tom Brady to be there but like a lot of. Oh you WANNA prove me wrong. You want to prove that my sixty fifty years of wisdom that your twenty years of wisdom trump's mine have added and we'll rally backup a few years from now and see who's right or wrong and I tend to think Bila Checks GonNa be proven right. Look as the old adage goes the days long but the years of short and the reason I think that applies sears. Because you can say. Tom Brady by his birth certificate. Forty two years so you could save by years played in fell twenty years and Tata Brady. That fills a lot shorter than it sounds. But you know what doesn't feel short? Those long dreary days would coach. Who was riding you and ride you. And it's not even appropriate someone who steals the joy of all the success in fund that you have of just working on your craft and build into these championships someone who robs you of those moments. Start to look like an outside of more than someone who fully fuelling as supporting you through this process and Tom Brady has to fill like all right. You only had two winning seasons without me. So let's not act like Cleveland was success where you lost five of your six seasons there. Let's see what you're up to. And I think this is GonNa be a match a championship grudge match of hooligans better without the other. So this is the classic break-up at high school before the Prom and they both go show up and they both have dates at a Bogo. Say Look I'm doing better without you and I think that's where we're all GonNa take witness to twenty twenty in the season is Hulu. It's better without the other well. I'm certainly rooting for Tom. Brady I wanNA make that clear. I prefer him over. Bella check I just don't be. Let's move to a different topic. Say Subject Different topic. There's two different models here. I think for Brady Bella check. There's the Lombardi Vince. Lombardi Bart Starr dynamic where Lombardi bigger star than the quarterback twenty thirty forty fifty years down the road and then there's the Joe Montana Bill Lost Twenty thirty years down the road. Joe Montana a bigger star bigger legacy in the NFL than bill walls. What do you think plays out here? Twenty thirty years from now who has a bigger NFL legacy? Tom Brady Bill Belichick. I would have to Tom Brady. And it's not a slam dunk. Obviously Bill Belichick should and we'll more time as a coach than Tom. Brady will as a quarterback in the NFL. But I think that the immediacy of their next move is going to really play heavy into their legacy and what we remember years down the line. It's don't beat at. Tom Brady landed on his feet. Maybe the landed on his toes and Tampa Bay in terms of the weapons that they had the numbers he'll be able to put put up and taking the lowliest franchise in NFL basically a sports and taking that franchise to potentially to play also even a promised land. We're bill belichick more than likely will struggle in the immediate future and I think we're talking about their legacies and that clash we're going to look into near-term more sold in the long term. We're going to see how Tom Brady was. Being clamped was being hindered by the lack of weapons and the bad draft and the lack of offensive production surrounding him and it wasn't all on Brady. Were Bella check? He has so many things that he after put into place before this roster is even at last year's level let alone a team that wins in the playoffs going forward so I think it's GonNa be tough sledding for bill belichick coming up in the near future versus Tom Brady. Who's GonNa land on his feet? I think thing's going to ride on two things one of them very superficial but it actually matters and the other. It'd be very objective. If Tom Brady performs poorly in Tampa Bay and it doesn't go well. I think ballot check has the much bigger legacy longer. He's the legend of this era. As opposed to Tom Brady. However if TOM BRADY DOES ANYTHING IN TAMPA BAY. He has a superficial advantage over over. Bill Belichick is GONNA play really. Big Here looks matter. They really do sex. Appeal Matters Joe Montana. One of the biggest reasons why. He's bigger than Bill Wall. Joe Montana with a sex symbol handsome man in professional sports. At that time Tom Brady. Has that going for right. Now is married to Giselle and big celebrities. They are I think all of that will matter you go to Vince. Lombardi and Bar Star Star. He might as well look like me. You know they're going for so vince. Lombardi was the bigger star. Coming out of that it's I just don't I again if Brady does. Anything given. His looks is celebrity marriage to to jail. He's GonNa have a much bigger legacy if he struggles in Tampa. I think it's going to be bill. Bill BELICHICK TALKING ABOUT E. D is an easy usually. We just brush it off or blame ourselves saying things like I lost my Mojo or we avoided altogether with exclusive. Like I had a long day at work or sorry honey. I'm just not feeling it but with Roman it is easy to talk about it with a real doctor who can prescribe real medication. 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You have a take on what you just heard man. Well I I tend to agree with Marcellus on this one. I think taking a look at the way. Things kind of came apart or unraveled. I think Tom Brady is in the better better. Scenario to say okay. If you want me to prove that I can do it as as an adult that leaves the bass. Then that's what I'll do It it sets it sets a great stage. I mean obviously Tampa Bay had a rough year last season for one reason or another but they have a ton of weapons and it puts Tom Brady an opportunity to to actually prove hide. Let's get to our big story of the day Cam. Newton is being kicked out of Carolina and Teddy Bridgewater is the new guy in Interior Allina. And I'm sorry and Jameis. Winston has been kicked out of Tampa Bay who has a better upside a brighter. Future in Twenty Twenty Cam Newton or Jameis Winston. I've been Jamie's I think James and the reason why I think James is because if you look at his stats. He's he's got great stats. I mean He. He broke five thousand yards passing. We've never seen can even do more than five thousand yards so You get him in a great situation. I think he could possibly end up in New England. I think I think James has a better opportunity to to have more success than the health questions don't know about his camps health yet now for me is Cam Newton. Look it's not that hard though for five thousand yards James Wentz. If you don't care who catches it whether it's just it's three flies up. Let's be real about this and we all know about my Dover matter and in this situation is my versus matter is the mind of Jameis Winston who has never giving you full confidence that he sees the football field correctly correctly or more poorly makes the right decisions based on. What he sees is mind is an issue. Where is the matter of Cam? Newton is his body and no one can predict the future in terms of is going to be healthy. But we certainly can't predict that Jameis Winston will not see the football field correctly. Eh Go out there and turn the ball over if you look at some of his numbers insane and turns of. He's only started three full seasons. And in those forty eight games he sixty six interceptions. Like you know the defender that you're going to get the ball. Throw it to you but worse if you're his teammate. You know you're gonNA give up the ball and a guy who is accounted for one fifth of all the pick sixes in the. Nfl last year is not going to have a brighter future a former MVP. Who Has Cam Newton find out? I'm GonNa say the whole I'm GonNa say this. I think that both of you. I can see the arguments. On both sides. The health concerns about Cam Newton unreal. But the reason why I lean Jameis Winston just by a hair I think James Winston cares more about football than Cam Newton. And that's been my issue with Cam. Newton how important is football to James is very important? Marcellus his right though. The guy is a turnover machine and you know he can can. Maybe he cares too much. And maybe that's why he makes so many mistakes. But if I had to just based on a WHO really cares about football. I think James. Because he hasn't had the kind of success that cameras had cams bidding. Mvp Cam his head. One hundred million dollar contracts and is really has been really well paid. It's all still out there for James. He hasn't proven himself as an NFL player. He's still cares about FOOTBA. I think it's more important to James. I think James Brings to a unknown element like we. We're so sold on saying how much of a turnover machine that he is. But how good has his coaching been? How much is this development Been a part of of his career. I think if he goes to the right place. That's that's what's more important. If he goes to the right place like he ends up in New England and they can teach him how to look at the field and see those windows. It may make all the difference in the world. That's that's leaning on the fact that we know he deliver yours and we only have the correct one aspect of his game which is the turnovers aspect of it. I would be more willing to lean doors guy. That's the bailable vacuum. Put up numbers. I am not getting caught up in the fact that James Winston had surgery this off season and all these to bring out all of his great abilities and he started off with the number one. Pick just like Cam Newton if you care so much show it in full production. Careful football and care to protect it Jameis Winston is predictable. You know he's going to turn the ball over Cam. Newton has one issue guys. He wasn't healthy other than net. When you saw Cam Newton full body mind and spirit that was the MVP or MVP candidate. We have never discussed that in terms of Jameis Winston a lower ceiling. No matter what coaching and what he doesn't turns the protection of the Football Damis has better stats and CAM's greatest year. He threw thirty five touchdowns only four more than what James is back. So I wouldn't. I wouldn't get carried away on saying that that he much more more elite talent than James. Or give me a garbage garbage time situations You put me under duress understand that James has better county numbers but making those numbers cout. He doesn't have the same impact as Cam. Newton has so far in his career. Take it take it over onto it. I certainly believe that James and the right situation and we'll find out when TOM GOES TO TAMPA BAY as well in terms of protection as as to how apply. I think when you look at the amount of times that James was sacked and he was hit and he was rushed some of those. Those interceptions that were at we're hanging on on James isn't necessarily on Jameis Winston personally so if he goes to the right situation again where there is a running running attack or there is a sound blocking scheme. That's they're they're able to develop James. I don't see this. This whole epidemic of him throwing interceptions being the reason why he doesn't have a a higher upside moving forward to day. They'll what Cam Newton has I have guys. Lets me intercessory to hold the ball? Let's move to another topic here today being cloudy. No-one's interested in him that maybe he's going to resign. What Seattle. He's not going to get the kind of big contract. He thought he was moved to Seattle from Houston. I don't think his work for today. Being Clowney Marcella starts off. Are You surprised? There seems to be no market for today cloudy. No I'm not surprised I think I've always been more of a critic or certainly less on today. The cloudy and his clout and his reputation suggests outlook today clowning by his numbers. Say being elite talent has never had double digit sacks You talk about a guy who's commanding or asking for twenty million per and is coming off a sports hernia surgery and only had three sacks last year. That's not going to correlate with US. Digest it asking price of twenty million dollars now remember. David Kollie made the first pro bowl in two thousand sixteen and he has six sacks and I think it was pinned up in energy for everyone who was waiting for David accounting to finally explode and they saw success they say. Hey that's enough and voted into the pro bowl and I'm sitting back remembering when I was in the league and when I had six sacks I had to have a meeting with my agent owner talking about hey is everything. Okay and now that fast forwards into a pro bowl you look at his numbers you look at. The injury concern his injury history. Think this is about accurate. People are saying bring their price down based on what we've seen which is not being superior production. Based on that talent. I tend to agree. I don't I don't think there's a market for him at the price tag that he's he's seeking But I think it's more so based upon him being a victim of US sensational plate so once once you get deemed as sensational play player The player Eddie had against Michigan. He hits the guy the guy fumbles who pitched the ball up with one hand almost scores with all the fanfare and all of the coverage. That's baby and crown has had sent. Ben Has has really set him up to be a victim of his own. Sensational play that took place and take from one person who knows they named the play after me and I never was able to do a Lavar leap every single play every single time. I got on the pill. He's going to be judged he has been measured and weighed and judge on the sensational play. You could add to that. You don't necessarily have to be a guy who gets a ton of sex to be the most valuable guy to the defense. Are you getting tackles for losses? Are you getting past breakup? Are you rushing the passer today and has been Berry Berry Effective as defensive end and had a very productive year as the Seattle Seahawks? But when you look at what justifies paying him the type of dollar that he's asking for Jesus ultimately victim of not getting a ton of sack of not getting the sensational play that you've been looking for from Fabian. Since he's been drafted so I think that it. It's harper him to ever live up to the hype that he had in the fanfare coming into the league. And it's it's showing right now in. This market are great. Job Guys muscle pain. I'm talking stop in your tracks. I'll never work out again. Oh my God what am I? GonNa do Kinda paying. This is the kind of pain Dr Jason. Worse than was in when he created thera gun the deep muscle massager. 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I want to speak for yourself. Jason Wit Lot Marcellus Wiley. Speak for yourself. Presumably you by Hyundai all right now. It's time for darnold Smith and Dardanelles question of the day. I take it away homeboy. Yes Sir let Jerry Hopkins. The all pro. Receiver was one of the first huge moved off season being traded from Houston to Arizona. Not protrayed Michael. Urban actually say at the anthrax autumn. I in Texas coach Bill O'Brien with allegedly compared to an Hernandez in complained about the receivers baby mamas story came out. It was all blown way out of proportion. What are your thoughts on this? Well my thoughts are that De'andre Hopkins the way he repeated the story to Michael. Urban is probably completely different. Than how Bill O'Brien perceives. He delivered the message to De'andre Hopkins. I Know Hopkins is trying to put the fire out on the story and I think he's probably trying to put the fire out on store because of what I'm saying in the immediate aftermath of being moved traded I would imagine the Hopkins was upset embarrassed and on the phone with Michael. Irvin telling an exaggerated story plan to telephone game so I don't even blame Michael Irvin. I do think this whole thing is a little bit. Unfair to bill. O'brien I do think that. Let's say the Andre Hopkins. Da complained that bill. O'brien said something about my baby. Mamas are whatever and Deandre Hopkins took offense to that but the reality is and I'm sorry I've seen people push back on bill. O'brien and I saw people saying. Oh my God this is why we need more black codes. I'm bio hold on man when it comes down to baby Mama. Drama impacting your working environment. That's just a universal. Like hey man. This is unprofessional. Whatever's going on in your personal life can't impact what's going on in our professional life. That's just business across the board. That's the way my father random masterpiece lounge in Indianapolis in the Inner City Indianapolis. You can't have your personal life. Impacting what's going on your professional life and professionals coaches executives. Whatever if if your personalized starts affecting what's going on in the work environment. They're going to offer up a complaint so and as as far as the analogy to Aaron Hernandez that sounds so far fetched and taken out of context again. And this is what happens in the telephone game the way that Bill O'Brien delivered. The message is probably different than how? De'andre Hopkins explained the message to Michael a lot to unpack here one. Michael Irvin proves once again. He kept it a hundred Only thing I have with my curve comments is maybe they were too transparent and it really left hopkins expose in terms of trying to refute those or even. Try to calm that down. That's unfortunate because I'm sure Mike. Urban HAD NO MOUTH INTENTION. But that's just the way it comes across. That said this is the problem. We're having disciples. Bill Belichick at the height of his powers is able to undress. Tom Brady the goat. But then you have disciples like bill. O'brien who leaves that culture and trouser reinstate a new culture in Houston and while he tried to enforce this. He's lost in the height of powers Bill Belichick and try to replicate that in. Houston you have to climb your own. He'll of Bill O'Brien. You now have a culture where you have tons of owner roster but not the Hopkins. So went about his business quietly went about his business effectively. So I don't understand what culture you're really trying to create if Andrea Hopkins doesn't fit in that. Fold that all set. I think that this is a situation. Where when you're trying to create something a lot of times you come in with a heavier hand unnecessary. This is a complete over correction of a culture as trying to replicate what he had in New England. The problem is he's not bill belichick and he can't pull those same. Stunts would say Marcellus knowing some people who have worked with the Andrei Hopkins Professionally Deandre Hopkins like a Lotta super talented successful people. Very high maintenance very high maintenance. I was talking to some people that work with him a couple of days ago. And they share me. What their work relationship had been with the Hopkins at some other non football situation not the most professional and so again. I don't I don't De'andre Hopkins is a highly successful wide receiver. When you're that you can get away with a lot of things and again not to defend bill. O'brien because I do think he's gruff and abrupt with people and maybe doesn't play politics as well as you should when you haven't had the kind of success like you're talking about a bill belichick but the Andrea Hopkins has some issues and it is on him but again I think Michael. Urban was relaying. What he was told but again like most people when they tell the story. It's not totally in context. Not a totally accurate to speak for yourself presented by Hyundai Jason Whitlock Marcel Wiley. Happy Monday to you. T J. WHO's been Zodda on the phone with us. Tj You just heard US talk a little bit about Andrea Hopkins Bill. O'brien Michael. Urban got any thoughts. I I tend to agree with more sellers here. These guys leave Bella check and they think they can treat people and players fame. Bill gets away with it because their success in guy the willing to put up with when you haven't been as accessible as checking you come in there and you degrade guys privately or in a meeting room with guys. They don't like I like the Andre. Half because he took the high road cheating didn't WanNa make it about that. He's you know we're all good put. She wanted out of here because of the way Bill. O'brien talked to him and treat all right. Let's move to Dak Prescott who's been franchise tax since last we saw you and which leads to the obvious question What's more likely to happen? Deck get a long term contract extension or dad gets the kirk cousins treatment and eventually run out of Dallas ever signed it a long time contract extension Marcellus. What's more likely always didn't pay any. He's GonNa get the extension he wants and it's going to happen this summer before the July. Fifteen deadline Look let's let's all go back to our younger days the days where we were out there buying expensive things and That sticker shock didn't deter you as much as I should have so there was a time where I was in the in the market for buying expensive cars and the funny thing about it. Is You bought a car knows days you spend a couple hundred thousand dollars and you're like damn. I spent a lot of money but I'm not done spending because I gotta get the rams get the sounds like I get the Ted. I gotTa do all the stuff which runs up the cost. Right now they want deck contractors hired Carson wentz Jared Goff. That's great that's the car but now they got to hook up and what he wants is the new. Cba looked up into this damn vehicle. He wants all these other deals. That may affect like Patrick Mahomes. Let all of that dust. Settle in your mind. Even if it's not reality and then realize what you have to pay to acquire in its fullness. This is not a fool deal yet with their offering Dak Prescott but trust me. It's coming in the next couple months man. I got you for me. If they don't find that Prescott here the next couple of months that Prescott will be another kirk cousins. You'll play on to franchise tag and they're going to. The price is only going to go up if the price is only gonNA go up and they don't WanNa pay again what you want. They're not gonNA WANNA pay him more because as more time passes. The price is going to go. I I just don't see that Prescott failed with it. Some that back is doing that. He's done on if you look at record against playoff teams and teams to win. A record is not very good. Basie that she's going to have to play extremely well this year under Mike McCarthy and his new system for them to validate giving him a deal that makes him because they quarterback in the league and I just don't see that happening because there's something that the Jones is Jerry and Stephen C that says he's not warrant. We don't WANNA pay him that money. I don't Oh he's earned it. He deserves it. They see something if they didn't see anything he would already have a deal. Well what they see is a guy who gets carried by a defense offensive. Line Ezekiel Elliott Amari Cooper. And the players around. They see a good player. Who wants to be paid like? He's a great player. I don't blame Jerry Jones and the cowboys and this is why I think it's more likely they eventually part ways. Dallas has lost a lot of free agents. I think Dallas as a team has backed up so far this offseason which makes it more unlikely for to have the kind of season that he'll need in order to justify the mega contract that he's looking for and so yeah. I think it's more likely he eventually parts ways. I just don't think he's leaving the cowboys any other option unless he unless they have some kind of thirteen in three twelve and four season than sees them in the NFC championship game or the Super Bowl. Why give back some kind of record contract? Would they allegedly? According to the report they put a deal in front of him. Better Than Carson Wentz better than jared. Goff not good enough for that. I think to me this comes back to todd. France and what's in the best interest of Todd. France and ca in this regard are back to get way overpaid and so ty France can continue to build his business and again. I'm not trying to take a dump on top of France. If I was him I might be doing the same thing. But at the end of the day the agent works the client. And that's wife falls on that Prescott to have some self awareness about who is what he needs to be successful. Can he really do better than what the cowboys are putting on the table for him? Are there teams out there that would surround him with the necessary talent? And are there teams out there? That would pay him the kind of money that is looking for. I don't think so so again. I can sit here and blame tied France but at the end of the day the agent works for the client. Dak Prescott has some delusions of grandeur. That don't justify the kind of pay he's looking for and so I think eventually he plays some. It's more likely place somewhere else than gets a long term contract from the Dallas cowboys. I manage this another class. A case of Of the of the bad branding man look. Let's be real. They used to hate when I heard people say you never get a second chance to make a first impression but it comes true in this case when you draft someone in the fourth round. You'd never project in them to become Dak Prescott this fast. So DAK Prescott was played for five years to the tune of four point. Seven million dollars. So you've got used to playing him for the cheap and then it's very difficult because of that first impression to fully respect what he's grown into and now that's where we are look. His contract is great. I'm not saying that it's not a good deal but it's not fully of the value that he represents to this team or to another team if he were free aging because of the inflation of the CBA because of the new money coming. He's shitting just barely by a hair. Beat Jared Goff in Carson Wentz. There needs to be some distance is not think that's what the fight is over on top of the fact that. Daquan four years because he's already been played for cheap and the cowboys won them for five years because they're trying to play him cheap steel. But you got you got to look at it from this. Perspective is what Jason said is one hundred percent right. Caa has to get a good deal for that. If they don't get a good deal for it's GonNa look bad on them and that wants to be paid like he's Patrick Mahomes. He's not you gotta shoot for the Stars and the moon and if you land somewhere shorted at your fine but how far short we don't know dad wants big money. The cowboys aren't giving it to him and he has to be smart. Because when you look around the lead and you go through every team after this year. There's only gonNA be a handful of teams if that looking for a quarterback the rookie that have come in have played. Well the younger. They've played well. So there's not gonna be meaty starting spots available so better be smart and played. It's the right way because the rookie rookie. These young quarterbacks are coming in and they're banned successful. You can maybe look at Chicago bears. Maybe the raiders may be the coast. You start going from team a team. There's not gonNA be a lot of starting jobs available next year. Let's move to one last topic. Philip rivers new home with the Indianapolis Colts Teddy Bridgewater new home with the Carolina Panthers which one of these two guys who helps their team more in twenty twenty Philip Rivers Teddy Bridgewater. Marcellus is going to be Philip rivers. I think is greatly exaggerated his fall off the cliff. I think it's just age appropriate. That's what we do Philip rivers has a least two seasons and potentially four seasons worse than what he did last year. But the difference is he wasn't thirty eight when you had those bad years so we just look past them. I think they're right now. We collectively need to look past what happened last year. Don't forget that last year. He had receivers in Williams and Keenan Allen and Hunter Henry all had the most drops that they ever had in your career. Think about that. No one factor that into the fact that Philip rivers felt that pressure receivers dropping the ball and then he's like I'm GonNa fix this because I'm Philip rivers so I think it's very age appropriate to his services. He still has some the tape. I gotTA GO WITH YOU. Marcellus on this when I mean Philip rivers not not so much because of Philip rivers is because of the chain around them the panthers are rebuilding their their basically started from the basement. They're starting to Baseman new head. Coastal Office coordinator. They're bringing teddy bridgewater to have some pieces off at Christian McCaffrey DJ more Kurdistan big. They have to work with. But it's the new regime. Do Look at the coast. Everyb- if as your lug does retire everybody's looking at them as a super bowl team. So they figure we bring in Phila- Rivers. We have a good offense good rank game. Our defense is pretty good we got. Ty here on probably will draft a receiver. They just have more pieces to the puzzle than pageant for that reason to me. It's an easy answer with throw the river just because he's going to be working with a lot more than teddy bridgewater is and that's why there's going to be more disappointment in. Indianapolis because the colts our team to fill their built for super bowl. Run and to me. Philip rivers can't get them there and that's why they teddy bridgewater is going to help the Carolina Panthers. More expectations won't be great. Hey let's say. The panthers went seven games with a first year. Head coach coming out of the college ranks with Teddy Bridgewater and Teddy. Bridgewater is just steady and promising. He may be able to meet the expectations. I don't think Philip rivers is going to be able to meet the expectations of the Indianapolis Colts Fill rivers. Numbers MAY BE BETTER. But that doesn't mean he reaches the expectations he still throw interceptions. He Still O.`NEIL MOBILE IS STILL GONNA take bad sacks and hold a ball too long. Philip rivers is toast. Sorry to break that news but he done with. This segment are allowed to speak for yourself presented by Hyundai Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley. I don't know if I'm looking forward to this. I haven't seen this man and more than made them nearby. Ma Uncle Jimmy quarantine somewhere in Hollywood. Jim You gotta take on our Tom Brady conversation. Do I look at the promenade here? You'll go from? Pb TV out the campaign overnight. Twenty twenty support Who Right now are no body. Well let me tell you know win the players Code of ethics and Talk Life. We're thankfully we're out of time. We'll see tomorrow man stop.
NFL Week 7 Betting Picks: Thursday Night Football - Kansas City at Denver, Philadelphia at Dallas
"Right I bet you twenty bucks I can get you can look for the end of the day you only fifteen grand tau pay pay men that Thou board with you the play action element and savage who discussed being out at safety they attacked his replacement immediately over the over the middle of field so I on calls that impacted that game at the most crucial points you now you can't give Aaron Rodgers multiple opportunities and that's what the officials did too dont I thought Matt Patricia whether it was him or whoever he's hired to challenge things had a massive snafu because even go to win that game and we can obviously I wanNA talk about the rafts but that was the reason ultimately Detroit lost that game three crucial thousand tribulations at the sports betting counter will NFL action to talk about that we do a very competitive board by NFL standard only two spreads on the docket with touchdowns where their teams favored by more than seven points neither game we'll hit our power five that will break down on today's show came before we get into some of the Games and want to get your quick thoughts and takeaways on Green Bay is win against Detroit on Monday night we have another winner to announce in the bet the board the offensive pass interference isn't called it's in a spot in the game where even if it's a coin flip you have to call it you have to throw the flag you have to get it reviewed those three situations impacted the game greatly we got we expect it right we talked on Monday night football get the ground game going a little bit used play action off of it get dj I watched portions of the troy game did caught some NHL had a small bet on the Dallas Stars realized they couldn't score if there was an empty net but I completely digress from some of my revive for NFC North on I thought we would the game played out exactly how I thought it honestly and I think Detroit again was very unlucky welcome in to the the board podcast powered by Fox. Nfl Week seven topic on the table. Today I'm your host Todd ferment rockets it involved all those things happen Hawkins drops a frigging touchdown the very first part of the game that you get your little lot flea flicker there just based on the situation the time left how many timeout you had remaining which was all three at that point so wouldn't have been a massive issue if you were to lose it but I don't think you would have lost so I think join as always by my colleague in coast the one the only pain insider what's the good word not much my friend was a little anti-climactic last evening as we've Detroit's windblown some games this year they haven't been able to finish I think they're very good team I'm I'm satisfied where I have them powerade it actually took them up half a tick and okay football free role yes we do I don't know his name but he goes by the twitter handle of jets fan nineteen eighty four so that is the NFL we a lot of people were skeptical that the lions should be powerade it as what they were when you look at that number ultimately close did you see or learn anything from either of those teams as they looked and I could still pick winners I can still make money for all kinds of people back home and why mess up a good thing airs pain insider and toddlers things off during the baseball playoffs sat down we're going to get a chance to watch their Yankees Lo and behold mother nature had other plans to watch the troy game yeah we'll have a little bit more on the packers they play host to the Oakland raiders later on in the show and you mentioned the officiating still think Detroit's got to be better with red zone efficiency six five K. contest winner at jet's fin one thousand nine hundred so congrats to him when we look at Monday night's game and I know we talked about at great length about hey how the market had moved Green Bay winning games that just kind of put it that way but as we've seen it's a game we'll talk about market doesn't really respect them again for the second straight week other victory yet they continue to be point spread darlings when they take on the Green Bay packers let's get into the Games for Sunday pain we can start at Lucas oil stadium we're we're looking at quirk or call it what you will both teams actually enter Sunday's game fresh off a victory against the Kansas City chiefs interesting did not know that why kicked five field goals and expect to go on the road and win in the division but there's no doubt that had zebras had different plans for that particular football game to try might have gotten out of dodge with Indianapolis a modest one point home favourite total in this game forty seven at Fox but of course to Houston Texans have been dynamic of late F one four out of their last five covered the last four have a little bit of playoff revenge on their minds for a game that they were dominated by Andrew Luck in company to the tune of twenty one seven season ago and in a unique scheduling the best pass protection in the Watson air and I think that's pretty important moving forward the ground game has also been on fire something that the Houston Texans we're starting to see what the Texans offense has the potential to be right with a little help up front we've kind of seen flashes the last few seasons of you know in the lead offense when it's healthy Wendy Shawn Watson has it rolling and he's confident is a passer which you look the last two weeks Houston's had so now let's see if that continues because it's it's it's a two-game sample it's a byproduct of probably facing the chiefs and Falcons defenses and I think also the ruin knows at this point we liked the coach's coaching staff of the colts were not fond of it for the Houston Texans and I think coaching tends to matter when the opponent is familiar and everybody kind of knows what each other wants to do and it's the coaching staff that comes out and has the power could not do last year was run the ball consistently would fizzle out constantly in the red zone and it's because I think they found some consistency upfront finally right you found your five guys thing in this match up that's kind of caught my attention and it kind of is a a broader point a topic that we've discussed Ad Nauseam I meeting which was the first time Frank Reich saw this team Shawn Watson has seven point one yards per pass in week four that number tumbles think that's interesting it's something that you have to talk about here there's another element play and it's one we've talked about I think we talked about it on the Monday night breakdown right is Howard injury at right tackle could shake up some of that piece of this that I've kind of been alluding to their other Henschel or ability to make adjustments and make changes and I think the team that does that rise probably the colts and you look last season these guys play each other three times in the think it's positive if you've done some reading this week Frank Reich iterative that this was not a time to vacation that this was rest recover and over Frank Reich and you know it just it that becomes magnified when you have two weeks the game plan I think the other thing here is the and should we actually went back out in finish the Atlanta game where the injury initially happened I think he wants to play this week so I think that's that's when you look at it and I know it's not an apples to apples comparison but wanted to get your take the colts having played Patrick mahomes going into the by the skill sets aren't exactly the same against amount four to six weeks I think Sunday is the four week mark exactly in that situations odd right like doctors told him he couldn't do any further as the talent is playing spots I think that suit them best in you're looking through the last two weeks eight pressures fifty six percent of runs of grades I'd like your take on this but I think the bye week actually helps at least defensively for the colts right you get dairies Leonard back you'd get gathers back of the new CBA about home teams coming off the bye and they generally haven't performed overly well it's you know about forty one percent of the time they're covering fuller's the world to get behind them let de Dion Jerry Hopkins operate underneath go hey you're going to pick up sixty yards that's fine but we're going to keep everything in front of it offense where you're like hey don't be steep don't beat us with the explosive keep everything underneath make to Sean be accurate and go on these ten eleven twelve play drives mentally focused on the bye week there was no vacation time no one was allowed to travel so it would make me nervous in a pick em game choosing bill Chins I didn't know I didn't really realize that listen I think when we look at this matchup we look at this game the by against Casey that held the chiefs a two point six carry I think it's because they probably hold the Shawn Watson in check they don't allow him to beat them with explosive passes enforce you to play a game at our pace in our TEMPA that was one thing we kind of talked about a little bit that's what this colts coaching staff is so good at right they game plan for opponents Wli I would expect probably a little more zone coverage back to what they usually are back to what their DNA is as a defender Matt Alber Flus especially when you have this Texans right and you'll go watson fourth-best deep ball in terms of adjusted accuracy percentage among qualifying quarterback so I think you make Watson Dinkum Dunk his way like act shortly down the field right and then you gotta bring pressure last year that was something the colts did very well seventy two pressures twelve sacks in the three meetings those things have to happen to the colts Davidge fancier tackles opening up some passing lanes Jacoby percent in this match up the offensive line has to dominate for the colts. I it's as simple as that right early cooker is project says he's returning to practice today and a few hours actually I'm told so the meniscus clean up that was supposed to be it's seven percent better than league average and I think right does a really good job helping the ground attack right by the formations by his play calling the entire world knows the colts to five point three per pass in week fourteen and then you had the quick turnaround Wildcard Game Watson was held a four point two yard pass at home and I did this Houston secondary in the past not quite sure that'll be on the table this week but you look at what Houston is dealing with some second members of the secondary banged up dealing with hamstring injuries slate huge get back to ball sheared came back before the bye week so you got four starters that should really be fully engaged this week if the whether it's impasse protection whether it's on the ground I think the Culture GonNa win this game then aligns got to be dominant they got to be able to run the ball thirteen percent of the time so interesting there this is also good on good though like the tax into the fourth best and rushing success rate defense it's time to ride the horse so I would expect some some heavy doses of of the ground game here you look at Indianapolis through six weeks number two inrushing success the NFL last two games which includes a raiders pass defense that's twenty six inefficiency or set all the way down to a forty percent success rate it I think Marlin mack who was dealing with some lower body injuries pre by he's now healthy and Frank Reich came out this weekend's officially said that's why everyone is raving about what the colts did because they went in there to Kansas City like oranges on we never do and play man I think when you look at what the culture probably going to do here defense actually against Kansas City went man and that's something that they did not do last year they were the most heavy zone team in the NFL and we played man like twenty three percent of the time lesser throws seventh worse than the NFL so he's got to get back to delivering how he was doing early in the season obviously teams have more film on them they get what Frank Reich wants to do with them now good despite facing Jer Breeze Nick Foles Philip Rivers Kyle Allen Matt Ryan and Patty Mahomes so you know again for the Texans watching you think they employees similar game plan they go hey we're going to keep everything in front of us and forced the Texans as you alluded to put together long methodical drives rather than allowing the will have a great offensive line and in one run it with Mac right the culture the fifth most run heavy team in the NFL. But you'll look Marlin Max only seen a loaded eight-man box so it becomes a little bit different and shockingly the Texans Bass Defense has been pretty good and you might not sat colts are able to hold their own on this side of the ball it's pretty obvious right there you've got to stop the run and that's something they did well last season it's something they did well before the Robie going to be out Jonathan Joseph a little limited but the colts success has been predicated on their ability to run the football do you think they'll be able to find success utilizing Marlin MAC running between the schedule pass offense in the NFL is pretty damn good now I should mention this because you know it is important Bradley roby is out because right now Houston's given up forty nine catches two running backs on fifty four targets it's really bad Houston's the only defense in the NFL it's had a difficult time stopping running backs catching the ball out of the backfield. So whether it's hines or Wilkins or Mac catching it I think you want to look for the goal is to take advantage of it by any stretch of the imagination potential teammates being reunited and Derek Carr and his former college running mate at Fresno State Davante Adams who appears to be a long shot to play and that may be on that way when you look at bless you when you look metrically right like Houston's just fourteen th in passing efficiency Defense they are seven if the Culture GonNa come away with a win right started really hot you look at the first three games this season had a fifty one percents passing success rate that was eighth best or side of the ball we look at the colts you gobi percent not nearly the same deep thrower they Andrew Luck is obviously that's not exactly a earth-shattering observation we know t y Hilton has torment Lambofield to take on the packers game we're Green Bay is a five and a half point favorite total forty seven at Fox bet and you mentioned it and Kinda hinted towards it that green let's see if they're as good running the ball against an Lido line in a really really good ground game you mentioned Jacoby perset I think he needs to have one of his best games allowed more than four hundred receiving yards to running back so just a match up to look for their sounds like the plight of the Atlanta Falcons that we used to go on and on about and his very podcast and when Gruden is just a coach in these devising these game plans he's been fantastic with the XS and os portion of the game he loves football the hours chill look in and they haven't faced on offense like this they haven't faced an animal like Indianapolis Houston's actually faced the fourth easiest schedule of run offenses today so action secondary that I think's worth mentioning last thing here and it's something to to monitored something as you're watching this game to look for the Texans Mbaye isn't getting the respect in the market and I have to imagine a lot of that is despite their record avenue net yards per play differential of minus point two doesn't suggest L. E. Onerous the raiders will look to accomplish something they haven't been able to do in thirty nine years what is that you ask when three straight games away from home he puts in are absolutely ridiculous so I think for two weeks he's probably game plan for this opponent that's got this big flashy name rushing efficiency they've played you know an average schedule of run defenses so there you know exceeding expectations there through the air in this is really surprised the L. A. Green Bay and never head coach is going to be gained planning on a short week for a non conference opponent let's see what this looks like lawsuit receiver but they've been playing without him even with him being out Oakland's fifth in passing success rate despite facing these second toughest schedule passing defense they've seen and dealt with that level of competition so I don't think it's going to be this you know shock to the system plus you know darnold savage he was missed on Monday night that was very I thank God that the by you know it's this is a fun game I've kind of been beating this drum since Jon Gruden so they're blowing through expectations in the air So like two things are clear to me when I look at this oakland run the ball Green Bay hasn't shown in abilities on a be trending above average to good in a lot of these key defensive passing metrics spivey that quarterback schedule which is in total third toughest. Yeah I mean the raiders have definitely been one of those teams that have surprised I mean the casual observer and ourselves included we weren't quite sure what we were going to get out of this team and they went through transition he was kind of graded out towards the upper third of cornerbacks this season so far so I don't WanNa make it sound like he's worked two points to the spread he's not but you know it's a it's a loss in the talking to me even without Williams they're in Williams isn't gonNA play either the planner fashions like Gillingham there's been no improvement there he's probably GonNa need to go in for surgery so that's I like what the raiders are doing offensively and when you just look across the board what you're GonNa see is a lot of balance out of them right eleventh in rushing success rates third a really good job stopping opponents running the ball they've done a good job limiting explosive runs there's just more like Balkan talent along that raiders at the same time last year as they couldn't cover running backs coming out of the backfield and you mentioned the raiders pain now the next game we have on the schedule and of course they come off of their bye tired and it's just coachman like leave the executive stuff leave the player personnel decisions the draft in the free agents leave all that stuff to the GM just be a Goddamn coach in explosive pass defense and that's something the culturally haven't been able to do with percents hitch deep But they're they're skewing average above average founded quarterbacks of all time from a passing perspective this is a drop down in class for the Oakland Defense and as you kind of alluded to and made the point here in two thousand nine hundred and we know like teams are having three corners on the field at age sixty five to seventy percent clip now and so when you look at Roby Oakland Defense and it's an Oakland stop unit that only has nine sacks on the season in Nineteen quarterback hits twenty eighth as far as saccharine thirtieth as far as pressure and week Wednesday was obviously light practice day so it's not really important today tomorrow those are the days monitor but Aaron Rodgers has had basically his entire cat in the league and he's put together three straight games with a passer rating over ninety five obviously the big match up on the other side of the ball paint will be this green bay offense matched up against period all the Antonio Brown distraction you mentioned the passing game and Derek Carr clearly been one of the beneficiaries leading the charge leading and right now is seventy three point three percent completion percentage the best yes we saw the lion's not get pressure in Roger she didn't go out there and wow us with anything he did obviously had the benefit of a few ticky tack calls but he could be down multiple weapons to me that this is a receiving core that's extremely banged up do they have the weapons in place that are gonna be able to put a lot of stress on this Oakland Defensive Ted extra time to prepare its earlier we talked about that I play the game he was out they went and his backup wouldn't be shocked to see a couple shots taken there over the middle of the field so I do think Oakland's going to have some success here offensively chip on this side of the ball you have to force backup an injured receivers in my mind to create separation quicker by getting rodgers now it's again it's something Oakland hasn't been able it's of line this year than there was last year where the raiders are lacking is their pass defense and it's across the board bottom third in the NFL and pass efficiency defense passing success rate defense explosive pass defense you name it they have however faced a really tough schedule passing offenses and you get Aaron Rodgers here and while he's you know one of the most him inside so it tells you he's not one of their two best pass rushers right now in their minds so very scary there if you're raiders fan with that obviously tough to like fight off imposing offensive lineman when you're starting with two hands down on passing downs now it's if you've kind of noticed or watched they're kicking cost of receivers and best receiving options Nacho of Abraxas as wake right it's end the acid Geronimo Alison it's Jimmy Graham none of those guys a practice yet so boss jet but it's scary to see a guy that's drafted four at doesn't seem to have burst off the ball or bend around the corner he plays with two hands down which is really odd it's it's run thirty first in rushing success rate allowed twenty six in defensive rush efficiency well the packers secondary that has been out fan they've been fantastic there led by onto Adams's we said probably a long shot to go until he gets officially ruled out Geronimo oils and we're not sure what that's going to be but when you go out and you sign a veteran like Ryan grant it suggests you do maybe Paul Gunter can show some looks or some blitzes that the raiders haven't put on film yet maybe you know came up with something during the bye because as a team right now due to the winner's circle outright for the pack and a game looming against Kansas City a week from Sunday I believe pain when we look at your correct and so right now we're looking at five and a half basically is the market consensus there's as many like lingering six is out there as there is four and a half but yeah I would I would fourth overall pick but they have to somehow manufacture pass rusher because if they can do that it's GonNa Force some injured guys some backups to create separation quicker than they great as a home favourite during that same span when you look at this game though I think it starts and stops with Russell Wilson who's now asserted himself not only you probably need to at this point for the Green Bay offense intriguing games wall scheduling wise when you look at Green Bay off that emotional division game were took a late comeback to get without question is ben wildly improved year-over-year especially stopping the run six votes efficient run defense and they face an above average schedule of run offense so Oakland now even seen a dip as low as four and a half some shop safe to say that the professionals have taken a little bit of a position early on with Oakland all those injury concerns for Green Bay's offense you know in the matchup is good and kind of to put an emphasis on Oakland being able to run the ball I saw richie incognito is actually just upgraded along the offensive line my Guy Alexander their top six than both passing success rate in passing efficiency defense but Oakland's kind of alluded to their schedules meant so tops for up explosive passes I think a lot of people are getting their hopes up because they saw Jimmy Smith returned to practice on Wednesday certainly is one of the best quarterbacks in the game which we knew but he's neck and neck with Patrick Mahomes at Fox bet for League. MVP amid his fourteen touchdowns zero interception start he kerr you know in knowing that a few of Rogers top pass catcher probably they're going to be out or limited the raiders have to find their pass rush that is d one critical thing in this matter leads the NFL with a passer rating a shade less than one hundred and twenty-five which puts him on pace for the single season record NFL history a number that would surpass Aaron Rodgers and what he did back in two thousand eighty with what Seattle wants to do offensively writes plays in the NFC West Division I think Peter's can have an impact if he's willing in this gift if he's willing to be a better tackler and more disciplined in coverage he hasn't shown a willingness to do that but if those two things improve he could really help when you look at Baltimore defensively like it's you can attack them pretty much anywhere it's it's really bad it's been a train wreck twenty second defensive efficiency in the is an eleven so let's start with that sea hawks offense and how they match up against the Baltimore Ravens Defense which has a familiar face patrolling the secondary that I'm sure would love to get revenge against you got all these little intricate stories right Earl Thomas Verse Russell Wilson in so there's familiarity there and then the ravens make this move in this trade for Marcus Peters another guy with familiar and a half point favorite total in this game a forty nine at Fox bet and when you dig into the seahawks this season I mean we've talked about him until we're blue in the face four wins this year by a combined eight points Sunday night game right Yup I believe so and then look at the way the market's gone in this game I mean from seven was available before Monday night we aw graded out the worst pass rush in football clown Farrell oath wildly disappointing so far you don't WanNa call them five and a half right now the market consensus when we get from the early games to the Lake Games takes us out to the Pacific Northwest Seattle welcomes in the Baltimore Ravens and the seahawks Asian of home field advantages for some of the point spread implications. I mean this is a Seattle team that's covered just thirty nine percent of its home games over the last three seasons thirty one percent cover face the fourth easiest schedule of offense is so this is not the Baltimore Defense we've grown accustomed to they haven't been able to stop the run the haven't been able to stop the past if given thirteen I'm campaigning for Russell Wilson to be the first hundred million dollar man hundred million years what he deserves is that franchise even equity in the franchise they're not WanNa five teams riding a three game winning streak which puts them in rarified air with the Patriots Forty Niners Panthers and Saints and when we look at Seattle though we've seen kind of it's interesting right in this is the side of the ball that really takes them work in projecting what could happen come Sunday because there's a few things here Oakland's defense gene or against this specific opponent or when you're leading a team that has Russell Wilson the Ravens have struggled getting a pass rush and they've struggled defending the pass into kind of in my mind get off the faster starts we've we've talked about this at Nauseam Brian Schottenheimer is a run I coach that probably shouldn't be the case in two thousand nine as you look at this injury report Devante Adams is now practiced right Dr Joy thinks that on Monday he expects this linger into November and now you're on a short hasn't practiced for about a month I could be wrong but I can't see a scenario where they rush him back but as always right if you're backing Seattle you're just a seahawks fan it's important just GonNa prove my Russell Wilson point that he's worth one hundred million a year when the script is off in Russula just kind of playing Captain Koch don't and it's in full force in the first quarter Seattle twenty sixth in rushing success rate runs grading seven percent below league to give to give one hundred nine just quickly and the team that's true although soon as he retired he probably wanted cash that Al that'd be smart right like this side of the balls fawn you know when you look at Baltimore's defense the splits are staggering when Smith plays versus when he doesn't I would not expect none play this week I just gotTa Limited practice in yesterday average in the first quarter inch because everyone in the world knows that Schottenheimer wants to run it and either you compare that to the fourth quarter of Gamespot right in this is kind of staggering just you listen to hardball every week at these pressures he's keeps talking about hey got to figure out to get a pass rush got to figure out how to get a pass rush when you look at Schottenheimer's game screen money it's the the board podcast really her real he'll be right back title Seattle and Russell Wilson is number one in passing success rate in the fourth quarter it's fourteen percent above league average so Seattle should come out in this game passing who set up the run not the other way around which is the way shoddy currently does it and it makes for a really difficult time trying to gauge what Seattle is at least easiest schedule defense in the NFL and it's across the Board Baltimore's literally faced the easiest passing defenses and rushing defenses these two teams have benefited greatly from easy schedules and it leaves me wondering how good both our rights away but it's eventually I think if we were to kind of project and that's one thing you really want to do here obviously is put a gauge on what they could be moving forward the different animal being in game shape so as you alluded to this naps will be limited from what I'm hearing but when he's back you have a front seven now with are these numbers suggest but Seattle's not exactly anywhere close to where they've been historically on the defensive side either twentieth and total defense allowing six yards per play hoping that they can get a man who had ten sacks last year acclimated don't think we're going to see him anywhere close to one hundred percent right out of the gates but this hawks team defensively finished last easy scheduled for them to seven easiest in the NFL to be to be exact but I think to your point one day and I would assume it happened sometime soon the light bulb is gonNA come on defensively right all of these new pieces are going to get on the same page because you see some glimpses you see some flashes of it you see dr where they just look despite being nine and three and at the top of each of their divisions big test for Lamar Jackson again and I think when we try to gauge him in the ravens offense suspended they're not allowed to be around the facility it's tough to get in football shape if you're not playing football so it's one thing to go out there and like do drills and practice and do your cardio but it's fast in their swarming and then I think with Doron read back from suspension I think that's a huge addition now he is going to be limited snaps when these guys equals zero quarterback hits versus Cleveland and began the week with only eighteen on the season I know you've talked about it the metrics lying a little bit in the unit being better than what some concerns on the offensive line we saw Brad Bozeman struggle and pass protection a week ago I mean you mentioned all the myriad of defensive concerns you have there I'm sure Earl Thomas would love to see the other thing that's really interesting here is from an ATS perspective we've seen the seahawks struggle a little bit in their last nine data point put together agree rushing performance against the bengals still obviously leaves an awful lot to be desired in terms of what he brings as far as a passer in most of these spots Baltimore has the eighty seven rushing yards allowed to quarterbacks this season is tied for eleventh most in the NFL out we should call this the schedule because points against mobile quarterbacks and because of that games have trended over at at a pretty astonishing clip in that same nine game sample Hollywood Brown now you look at his match like Seattle isn't a world beater by any stretch they are slightly below average in defensive efficiency and as I kind of mentioned there couples atkins ago they're number one in rushing success rate and I think where the skill comes in handicapping wise is gauging how good Baltimore is offensively knowing that they faced a strong performance that stop but when we look at Seattle on the other side defensively they're going to get the services of Jarran Reed back P careless said they wanted to kind of ease them in there focus on Lamar trying to stop him in his legs so the rumors that I was hearing around that organization was he could play last week they didn't think they needed clowney and on-scene read in Caja Right and Bobby Wagner that's a monster front seven you would think at some point it's going to get turned around it's not going to be dominant someone to monitor here is well. He provides more space in room for that Ravens offense to operate if he's not out there and you can put another guy in the box and Ganley's cannons being it's it's it's frigging difficult because you see metrically that Baltimore's fourth in overall offense efficiency his total that's my gut feeling so yes you did mention some some some under money there's some potential weather in some money come in on the dog starting to see some threes pop up in the market along with a little bit of under money it would appear I'm beat Cincinnati and they wanted him as healthy as can be for this to game back to back running against Seattle New England so let's see if Hollywood brown goes well that's something we gotTa Monitor definitely and I I think from the guys I've spoken to there's a lot of sharp guys that have discussed kind of gauging Dallas what they were Amari Cooper last year and that was the first seven games of last season and when you look at that cowboys hadn't acquired Iman whether anyways every single game as we start to get into the depths of October and early November when it comes to handicapping especially totals correct yes this time of year eighty percent better than league average and so you know why bring this up and why mentioning it is whether it's Ian Rapoport or Schefter even Dr Chow on Monday golf game so stiffer competition in that eleven game sample with Amari the cowboys passing success rate improved to eighth in the NFL sorry obviously in Dallas The for seven weeks was twenty ninth in the NFL passing success rate thirty eight percent DAX passes graded successful over that stretches Philadelphia Eagles it's Dallas three point favorite number trending towards two and a half total in this game forty nine at Fox bet and pain when we look at the eagles I mean everyone defense it's through the air and I think that becomes significantly tough right with without amaury without your left tackle in pass protection and you're right tackle for us in general I think moving forward and specifically this week we've made some significant adjustments to the cowboys offense you're on the forecast just some rain I think when I saw it and I could pull it up here but it makes your bad podcasting I think it was a fifty four percent chance of rain so again one monitor the spot we can go a number of different ways which onfield matchup intrigued you the most let's start with the cowboys offense that's kind of how you let us and pass protection which everything I'm hearing ball tackles are going to be out for this game so it becomes difficult to attack likely to play that he is going to play right and we also have randall cobwebs in practice yet this week and when you look at how you want to attack the eagles so from that game in the late afternoon in Seattle back to the East Coast for Sunday night football a showdown in the NFC still familiar rivals Dallas cowboys against kind of high expectations for this team they haven't lived up to their advanced billing we know about the cowboys well-publicized three game losing streak the eagles have actually spent fifty eight percent of time trailer Bump up yeah so so yes at four came in or on the week from from one of the most respected groups I think there's GonNa be battling up Philadelphia's defense number two in in rushing efficiency defense so Dallas just relied more Zeke and even in those first seven Games Dallas was still number one in rushing efficiency number one rushing success rate but again I think if you're Adak guy to create some space underneath then be that home run threat that the ravens have desperately lacked when you have a quarterback that offers a skillset Lamar Jackson interesting note on this game as well you have and all of them I think if they had to put percentile number on this Amari Cooper is probably less law Russell Wilson Patrick Mahomes into Shawn Watson quarterbacks we talked about or we'll talk about on this podcast and the eagles have shown a ton of red zone efficiency if you're Philadelphia how do you build was nine percent worse than league average so then Dallas sees that they have this massive void and ain't GonNa go out and make this trade for Mari Final Eleven Games which included two ACA practice they haven't played in a game together since last October and you look at how Philadelphia's performance both those guys in the mix thirteen and five when they're both on the field so a four because they haven't scored a first-half touchdown in each of the last three weeks getting themselves behind the eight ball Nina battle back furiously and it hasn't of course paid off when we look at this particular Alfie offensively led by Carson Wentz we know the kind of numbers they can put up Wenchuan four quarterback with twelve plus passing touchdown fewer than three interceptions this season puts them in company offensive efficiency and that's against an average schedule of defenses so they're very strategic in how they attack they're very strategic inefficient. Ah The Philadelphia defense how you WanNa do it without your best receiver in potential your second best in your to best offensive Lineman so even last year you look pre Amari ah the way you want to attack Philadelphia I'm not sure Dallas can be able to do that's that's kind of the the thing to watch for in this game I think well and the Eagles I guess we'll have to try and figure out a Philadelphia can figure out what's wrong with its secondary I mean the fourth most passing yards allowed this easily they're not overly healthy agent and how they are down to down and they get the best information right now because they spend for the most information in the NFL to figure out how to attack people I think they're gonNA have success you're moving the ball and kind of how you you painted it for us when you look at the cowboys defense and I think it's really implant to attack the cowboys defensively I think you're probably going to be able to do what you want right and I don't think we've come close to see and so he's always probably GonNa have a good game plan now I know last week they don't win on the scoreboard but that was a really tough match up is a really tough spot kind of as I alluded to hear the last nine times that Seattle's defense is faced a mobile quarterback all those games have gone over and you all here like turnaround and handed ezek which probably will be a little more this week without those two key offensive lineman you're probably not going to be as efficient on the ground and then when you look at the match going on with Dallas Right now I don't know this was a team that we had a unit that we had high expectation for a a really good defensive line really great and budding young linebackers well one hundred forty nine points allowed over the first Games most by an eagles team since two thousand thirteen they allow twenty four points in five out of six games this season thirteen passing touchdowns success rate defense they have faced the thirties schedule of runoff run offenses and fourth easiest schedule of pass offenses so whatever's it was two and a half correct look at two and a half Yep and right now we're looking at like if you want the dog it's like three minus fifteen there are some two and a half out there at one specific shop that caters to sharp betters right now the public also appears like it's coming in full force on Philadelphia's well we'll see as it gets closer doing this season they never led in their week six loss at the Minnesota Vikings meanwhile the cowboys what we talk about slow start with the Seattle seahawks Dallas May as well be a poster the kick I guess the question and I don't WanNa flip it on you it's like if both Lineman were healthy for Dallas if they're secondary our guys that are currently out there playing at their peak either they're still struggling on early downs with all that said though we're sitting here in the eagles are sixth in life and I think we have introduced that three weeks ago and you look across the board it's been bad twenty fifth overall defensive efficiency allowed the other side of the ball pain and you hid under a couple of weeks ago talking about you had some questions and
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La Getting electrifies mostly stayed at home these days. That's fair that's fair. Yeah I mean it was certainly a an interesting week for the rams when it came to free to see we'll start with the big story for the rams will start with Todd Gurley. Who of course was cut by the rams last week after week? Where they were trying to trade him. There was a deadline that was set for his contract to guarantee in the future and the rams decided to cut guy who was a book. Mvp candidate two years ago even a pretty good player recently as two thousand eighteen four struggling in two thousand nine hundred a guy who of course the rams had been denying having knee injury has denied that he was one hundred percent. I mean in terms of this whole Todd Gurley. Saga was there in element of surprise for you. Were you shocked that they did decide to cut him or did you kind of see this as a sort of the natural end to? It's been really strange. Couple years for girly and the rams. Yeah bill it been like you said a very strange Year and a half plus for early in the Rams I would not short by any means that they caught him. You can kind of see the wheel. The motion that something had to give But at the end of the day on the other hand you are still pretty surprised right because it was less than two years ago that the rams are giving him a record-breaking deal for a running back on that they're talking about how excited they are have a core piece who will carry them into their future which includes open. Twenty twenty season in so-fi stadium. So when you kind of look at the last twenty months. That's really when girly got hurt. So it's only July eighteen that they gave him the extension of the thing. In this short time fan. He went from the end. All be all of this organization to just cut in a tweet. It is surprising. So in terms of girly I mean this is a guy who even as recently as lead December even though less stayed was saying that tiger really was not producing the same numbers list. He was saying that he didn't regret the contract. He gave girly and that he can still come back. And get to a higher level in two thousand twenty. So I mean. Do you think that was just posturing at the time? Do you think something changed in terms of their viewpoint over the last few months just sort of you know ignoring reality at the time and sort of just. They had faced at this point in terms of their cap situation. Can I say about I? I from the very beginning when when todd had the knee injury on toward the end of the regular season in two thousand eighteen minutes. And it really. It's not even a knee injury. It is condition that is obviously the result of having reconstructive knee surgery from back when he was Georgia But Todd Gurley in the ram which would include Sean mcvay less need And even teammates. It's like they were never on the same page about how they were. Going to handle girly going forward. Was this a snack count. Was this shift in trying to prolong his career. Was this That you really truly believe that looking Brown and Darryl Henderson were worthy of more Kerry's Just never got the sense that that entire group was on the same page. He does clearly Greeley was not this before he was not hurdling anybody. He wasn't breaking. He broke away for no long touchdown. Runs if you're just a signature move of Todd Gurley to break through that third level. So he clearly was a different player then again the rams continue to tell us no the same todd Gurley. He's the same girly and none of it ever matched up and you can just feel the frustration from both sides kind of coming in going throughout the season as much as they tried to keep it in house. You mentioned you know that Gurley was not the same player you mentioned that he didn't have those long explosive games which is one hundred percent true but of course. I have to ask the same time. The rams offensive line was a bit of a disaster this year. I mean they. They turned over multiple pieces on the interior. There were injuries. Both their tackles. Enter Whitworth and wrap having Stein who had been playing at a pro bowl that will in two thousand eighteen declined in twenty nine thousand nine hundred in terms of watching girly play even beyond those explosive plays. How much of the decline in terms of the numbers do you put on girly? And how much do you on the offensive line? Not being effective. Yeah I put a lot of it on the offensive Atlanta. Y'All have to put it on play calling. I mean frankly. They weren't looking hand the ball to him. I mean time. His snap count wasn't drastically down from what has been in the past but he's touches were down they weren't giving in the ball and there's a direct correlation to how when. Todd Gurley carries the ball with Todd. Gurley touches the football Teen eighteen twenty times random tend to win more of the Games But when he was down in the lower number the games they lose defense is obviously. Don't have to buy on that. They don't have to bite on the play action and SETS BACK DOWN TO THE OFFENSIVE LINE. And what they were able to do so. I will ever know exactly how much was offensive line. That was not consistent with injured. And was frankly young and inexperienced. How much of it was play calling and Charles Day wanting to evolve in audrey so relying on early and how much of it just came down to kind of the perfect storm. I kinda know the answer to that makes sense in terms of that running back situation right now. The the the depth chart includes Brown Daryl Henderson the twenty nine thousand nine third round. Pick and John Kelly. Do you see the rams adding a running back to that. Rotation over the rest of the off season I do now from Brown has been a good number two serviceable backup. He has This season had more of an opportunity to kind of goal line situations and he is a good running back. I don't know that he's a feature back. In fact I would absolutely lean to the fact that he's probably not feature back Darrell Hennessy. We didn't learn too much about my no. There was a lot of stigma that he was kind of that. Change of pace back in the third round that of Memphis Last year hit a couple of injuries. That happened a couple of kind of rookie. Mistakes at the end of the season when you would have had maybe a bigger opportunity. He hurt his ankle. But again I I think the rams are probably going to have to look to the draft and and bring in another back name. Someone who's more of a feature back who can just kind of the football a little bit more Because let's keep in mind while Todd. Gurley wasn't Who we were used to seeing last season. He's still with a really good running back. You could depend on to do his job and right now. The Rams don't really have that Ghauri look to and has established himself as a feature back. Yeah I mean obviously Daryl Henderson could prove to be that guy but he didn't seem to be that guy last year as a rookie Another person's come up for trade rumors. Recently on the offense Brandin cooks a guy who like early shortly into a a massive extension. A guy who did struggle last year injuries being a concert. Concussions being a big conservative brandin cooks POW. How much stock do you put in? Cook trade rumors. And what do you think the rams would sort of expect back in a Brandin cooks trae? That would make them seriously. Consider making that move. Yeah I think there's a lot said about what's going on whether that much smoke. There's definitely fire. I think that The Rams have received several phone calls about Brandin cooks It'll be interesting to see engage. Exactly what they'd be willing to give. Brennan up for our please. I think your contract is that. It's a very cumbersome contract and you kind of get the details and the kind of money and the dead money involved in it Not mentioned obviously the cap hit but as for what they want in return it. It's kind of hard to say because Brennan's guy who is being paid like a number one receiver and frankly last season's didn't come close to produce it on that kind of level now part of that was because he had a couple of concussions and he was sidelined for a few weeks because of those out of abundance of caution Part of that is. He just hasn't played a huge role in the offense. Jared Goff and maybe again this kind of goes back to the running game in the office of lying Offensive Line couldn't provide maybe perhaps enough protection so it is. It is third cooks issue. Is it a cook issue? Is it a is it a sean? Mcvay offense issue But I think that they are listening to calls on Brandon just to see if they can find a solution to to maybe having a guy out there. They're deep threat. I mean the guy who we know is extremely talented and who on his day can be borderline uncovered but you mentioned the concussions The the workload has never really been there even when he signed that extension. I wrote about it and I remember saying that he was a guy who you know had consistently been a one way or a number two guy who had never been sort of that you target. Haag in the same way that Jerry Hopkins or even as defined digs would have been in the past so yeah really interesting player and really interesting. Trae candidate there. We've seen just to add that also and it's too early to it's like with the rams with these kind of to marking guide and the kind of current climate that we're in Because the corner buyers and people are able to get the players aren't able to get these physicals and whatnot It really makes you wonder behind the scenes. How much data defecting their trademark it And what teams are willing to give up not knowing exactly what they're getting in return because of They're not able to go through these physicals and have been Tom early. Pace that need checked out. Brennan Cooks case. Maybe go through some some check to see what's going on with the concussions and whatnot now. Of course the same thing with genetic and cloudy with infrequency. Now it's sort of. Do you want to commit that much? Money to a guy when he does have microfracture surgery in his past. And you don't know what the current status of his knees so yeah absolutely. We're seeing teams. We go for more familiar players and we saw that with the offensive line as well here with the rams where they did. Come back and re-sign Andrew Whitworth to a new deal to come back as left tackle. Now he slept of course at last year. Not play the same level. At least to my is that he had in years past committed a ton of penalties when that had not been something he'd struggle with in years past so with Whitworth. Is it just a situation where it was miliary? And they you know. The Rams didn't really have any alternatives. Do they stole sort of harbor? Hope that he's going to be the franchise left tackle. He was in two thousand seventeen and twenty eighteen. You Watch you watch. Andrew play last season Philly good left tackle but guys thirty eight years old now. Of course there's GonNa be a natural recline The key in bringing him back though was the fact that they just don't know who their next left tackle is They drafted Joseph. Nope boom a couple of years ago at TCU. They were hoping he could be the next left. Tackle you play guard this last season before. He suffered a season ending me injury. Obviously that sets him back even if he were healthy. I'm not sure that the rams were going to say hit on that. That's our left tackle so right now. I think they're still very very much. The drawing board as far as who will succeed. Andrew Whitworth is so for. Now it's kind of that. Stopgap in between hoping he can bridge them to figuring out with certainty who their neck black left tackle is going to be Absolutely on the defensive side of the ball. We haven't talked about it too much because of the curly story. But a bunch of turnover there. As well two veterans leaving the Roster Dante Fowler the edge rusher and then Michael brokers the longtime defensive lineman replacement players who are younger and who are coming for different organizations and honestly you know are not making that much less money than the players. They are replacing. Still getting pretty big deals in Leonard Floyd in a Shawn Robinson so less money for sure but were you surprised the rams weren't bigger players for Fowler or brokers yeah absolutely and it wasn't just linebacker. Cory Littleton drafted free agent. Yeah who obviously Played a huge role at linebacker. The last two years I was very I. If you told me start a free to see that all three of those guys that have left I would thought there was absolutely no way I thought for certain one of the three would be back. Maybe perhaps it get lucky and somehow find a way to squeeze into the three but I thought for sure one of the three and I don't think for me what this is done with the Defense Aaron Donald Made You mentioned a lot of words but he sent out a angry emoji after after an ESPN LA tweet. That mentioned all three guys were gone so Who does a huge impact on the defense and then say for Aaron Donald especially because a lot of people don't understand what Michael brokers did but those two really worked in tandem together they're not only longtime friends but brokers in in in Aaron Donald Know How to complement each other and a lot of what AB ABC? Nothing he would it. Be Hands Down the best player ever alone but along. What he's able to do is dependent on who is next him and so like you said they bring in a couple of guys were certainly wouldn't be considered upgrades from Donges Dollar and Michael Brocker System. He really interesting to see How that impacts Aaron Donald Getting going forward others three guys little tin brokers and Dante Fowler. Which three did you think were most likely to return to Los Angeles I Don Fowler? I know the rams have been hesitant to commit to a long term deal with him But I thought that they have made me work out another one year. Another two year deal. Dante obviously had issues down in Jacksonville. He said time and again how much she loved being. La How much he wanted to return. Even if that was on a short term deal so the fact that something wasn't able to get done there surprises me Of course a lot of guys say how much they love it in their current situation but whoever offers the most tends to be where they where they go but I I am surprised that he did not was not brought back. They traded for him. They'd resign him last year. He finally had that sort of breakout. Season the rams are hoping for and then they do get a compaq and they don't have to pick for. Because under Floyd was cut by the bears but still a interesting situation where you know fowler kind of did with the rams are hoping for and then they ended up getting priced out of his market which came in. I believe around sixteen million dollars. A year from the Atlanta Falcons Not a lot of cap space right now for the rather in according to track at least it's in the thirteen million dollar range in terms of this roster. Obviously Cooper Cup is in line for an extension as offseason jalen Ramsey who the rams traded for and get multiple first round picks to acquire is in line for a massive extension at some point. Do you think the rams are still going to be active in the market trying to find a bargain or two. And if that's the case where do you think? They might target a veteran in these sort of second week of free agency. Yeah I think they definitely will be looking for a bargain or to If I were betting on it I would say they're gonNA try and look for a linebacker record. Little departure leaves us with three players. Who REALLY IMPROVING? Kaiser Trayvon Howard and Kenny Young. So really linebacker. They're thin and then also if you look back in their secondary they're going to be thin safety right now. After they. Kind of a murky Christian descends the jets not a huge name by any means that our rotational player back there. And of course Eric Weddell also retired so there are a little bit thin Starting depth at safety. They say they're they feel good about cornerback. But they also just let the they released cal. Roby Coleman who late in the slot and unexpected troy hill or dairy Williams. One of those guys playing there but again that doesn't leave them with a lot of depth and last season they didn't seem that Their third round. Pick David Long from Michigan Really he didn't do much on the field. They didn't really have much of a chance to do too much either. So that kind of leads you to wonder how much confidence they have in his ability going forward a team that is without a first round pick that does have an extra third round pick as a compensatory selection eighteen Zahn half that sort of ability to add a instant impact player with their first round selection at a spot on the Roster and Oh one other player normally talk about kickers on this show. But you know Johnny Hecker and Greg's airline have been together for what seems like forever and I think almost a decade and a free agent is a place where the rams you think are going to move on and try and with a cheaper option at kicker I I know that they have been out looking kickers whether that means that they finding somebody that they wanna move forward with or if they fall back to Berlin remains to be determined. But it's really funny because he's been kind of one of the Under the radar free agents And last year he experiences decline in his field goal percentage. He has battled through couple of injuries. Now the last couple of seasons. I'm so that might be something. Where the rams are are willing to move forward just because the life span of a kicker and then once you have groin issues in our back issues and whatnot. Who knows those really get better? Yeah eighteen that of course turned over there. Coordinators off season a lot in transition here for the rams as we approach the end of free agency and then the traff period. And of course it Tina change their jerseys at just so much in the air for the rams here twenty twenty nothing bigger than the logos. The journey to the colors at the end of the day. No one seems to remember that Todd. Gurley was just cut. It's all about the Jersey. The Patriots released about five jerseys now the next week to kind of get over the Tom Brady situation there but a lot to to capitol at the Razzies Linda. You're going to be covering it for us. Where can people check out more of your ramps coverage yeah check out of the ESPN rampage? And then you can also follow me on twitter and Instagram at Lindsey theory awesome Wednesday. Thank you so much all right. Thanks bill thanks so much to Lindsey theory of. Espn now joining me. Talk about another free agents. Another team transition the New England patriots who lost a quarterback of some renown. This off season is Boston. Globes nor Prince Yati Nora. How are you bill Doing doing pretty well. Didn't on my patio. You know staring at the outside world you yeah. It was a metaphor for the Patriots. At the moment where they're just staring at the outside world hoping a quarterback comes across their purview. Who they can go out and acquire honestly no. I think it's just like a metaphor for what I'm doing. Okay this is like it's like you're patriots are much more like honest set. Even if it's a deeply weird horse that like may or may not go up in flames. I feel like they're like honest. That course and I'm just like is it worm enough to be outside. I don't know okay so you mentioned a patriots course. Let's start there. Let's try and hook this back into Footba there. Let's start with the Patriots course. Is there a plan for the Patriots right now because it seems like free agency? Tom Brady quarterbacks. The twenty two thousand season all seems to be passing them by is that in. Unfair speculative comment. The suggest I think the plan is jared steadham which I I'm starting to come to terms with the idea that that is an actual plan okay Because you know it's the same as it's always been right leg. Let's not play this too too crazy and free agency. Yeah let's wait around for compensatory picks it's Kinda typical patriots of right. It's just that that that one guy doesn't work here. I mean more. So the rest of the equation. Really hold up under those different circumstances right. That's what we do read are going to find out. I mean you know you you cover the Patriots. You've seen much more Jarrett's than than I have only seen highlights and clips here and there. Obviously the preseason action from Jarrett Stidham. What do you? What do you think of that plan? Is there any reason to think add? Jared system is way further along and his development and way. More ready to be replacing. Tom Brady than it might seem from the outside. No I know when you say that I've all right I'M GONNA I'm GonNa tie the cinnabon a second you'll see how these are not necessarily contradictory statements So first of all when you say that. I've seen a lot more than you have true like I've I've seen Patriots preseason games and and thus although I shouldn't make assumptions about your Patriots preseason Game Viewing Habits I still have seen very little of jared instead of so you know I always hate talking to people and saying those things that you hear about every young backup quarterback rides like well. They really love him. And what is that? Even you know. It's not very often that you're gonNA have a lot of team team people just trash-talking guy on their roster who you know is an primary spot All I guess people trash-talk players all the time but again not backup quarterbacks that they're potentially taking their future on anyway. I think that there are some obvious positives to him in that he has a little bit of athleticism. That you know. Tom Brady for all of his. Many positive qualities. was never really going to give the Patriots. They think that is something that The list of quarterbacks Philadel- checking the Patriots have shown interests over the last several years. A lot of them have been a little bit more mobile. I think that is kind of a toy that they would like to play around with I think he's smart. I think he's reasonably accurate. You know the foundational things that you need to be a good quarterback. I think he has those tools but I mean there's just no way of knowing and he's also really really really inexperienced I do think that really all the Patriots meed from their their quarterback position is someone who you know is a net positive and doesn't make a lot of huge mistakes doesn't turn the ball over a lot doesn't put them in in bad situations where they can't take advantage of having a very very good defense so the bar is not. Tom Brady weirdly enough. Even though that's the the whole that they have to sell The thing is the reason that I'm saying that jared qualifies as a plan is that I think what we've realized over the last week here. Is that Bill Belichick and the Patriots are doing everything. Exactly the same as they always have. And not deviating from form even in a really. I shouldn't say really unique but a unique because that doesn't make sense but a truly unique situation. They have not done that. So that means you know you don't extend yourself further than you want to for a player. Who is on the wrong side of whatever age dividing line you set? Even if it's Tom Brady they're not doing the splashy. Free agent stuff you know. They are being methodical and valuing those contacts and going about this in the same way that they always have in an off season that because of the Brady factor and also because of just the huge amount huge amount of attrition in High Profile Players and coaching staff. That we've seen over the last two off season. I think a lot of it myself in some ways included thought would warn slightly different behavior. It has not okay so nor if I'm not mistaken you grew up in the New England area while Tom Brady was he. Patriots quarterback is that fair to say that it did not only fair to say. I arrived in the New England area at Northeastern University in September of two thousand one weeks before Tom Brady took over as the starting quarterback of the New England patriots. So we are both in a similar vote here in that. We have known very little about Tom. Brady as the Patriots quarterback and it's been part of a a link with Bill Belichick. They've been you know you can't say well without saying the other at this point. Did you believe whether it wasn't a someone growing up covering watching the patriots as someone who covers the Patriots? Did you believe that check was going to make an exception for Brady and have brady sort of be the the one player who he was willing to hold onto even after it was too late and who he was willing to keep around at any cost or did you kind of always figure that was going to be ruthless and just move on from? Brady and treat him the same way he treated. You know Richard Seymour Logan Mankins and every other great patriots player of the past. If we're talking about it within the context of this off season no I did not think And I actually. I was surprised the Brady left but I thought that Brady was gonNA cave. I think that they'll it changes to really I. Maybe I'm just go -able maybe I'm just naive. But I always thought dodge I could say you know what this is. The one player who I'm willing to toe the line on and maybe it's just me being sentimental. Maybe a thought that you know build check would would would you know give in Gopala checkers bill ballot check and he did not and the thing that I think worries me about. Sarah is not jared cinnamon and vacuum but I think about this offense in two thousand nineteen and it wasn't very good. It was good running the football. It was not especially with throwing the football especially as the year right after those first few weeks where they had. Antonio Brown and Elvin was healthy and the offense did look pretty good for the first three games. Tom Brady really struggled with the weapons with the offensive line with the running game he had. Now I look at this roster the only player I believe in correct me. If I'm wrong the only offensive players they have added to this Roster Brian. Hoyer who Nice Nice Guy? I'm sure a perfectly fine veteran who knows the scheme quarterback Daimyo bird who is sort of these speedy replacement for Philip door set to as a backup receiver around the League before this and Dan by towel. Who is going to compete with. James Devlin for the fullback job so adding a lot of weapons to an offense. That wasn't very good last year. So should the Patriots be trying to add more pieces? Four Jarret Stidham. If he is the plan well should they be absolutely and I think they have a glaring. Glaring glaring needed tight. End that at this point. They're probably going to have to address through the draft at least in terms of adding sort of high end talent. Unless there's a treat option available that's not too expensive for them. Because I think right now there are three million dollars cap space. There are some ways that they can extend that but you know anything really significant They're going to be priced out pretty quickly now. It is interesting that those players while they are not elite level household name. They do fill in pieces that either existed last year and last year's offense or they wish had existed in last year's offense like for instance be lack of a fullback was really really harmful than that. I mean when James Devlin went down. They took a guy who they had acquired as a practice squad exemption through the international player pathway program and had him starting at fullback they really really really wanted to have a full back on the field Because of what you know the parts of the playbook that it allows them to have and then they ended up using Linden and Roberts and like quite a few defensive players to you know just try to have those things available to them which I think shows you how important they are to them. And then you know just having first of all demere bird returning punts which the basis just like didn't have a punt returner for large part of the twenty nineteenth season which is sorta hysterical. You think back about it. I mean just of all things that were you know are not important. We're never going to speak of them again. Just that will always have a little space in my heart. Is that the Patriots. Just like didn't have anyone who is really a natural punt returner Because they didn't want to be using element when he was hurt for much of the season doing that. So it's not as though these moves are adding up to allow. They're really going to push things on offense. They're really going to try to find a different way of going about doing things. Wish they still could do. I mean I think one of the important things about bill. Valid trek is that you know. He's not looking at a date in April before the draft before training camp and thinking. I need to be done by this point. I need to go what my team is. I need to know what works best. That's always you know really midway through the season for them which is something that I think has served them well. So they'll fiddle around with things and I guess one thing that has surprised me a little bit. Although I don't you know I don't think any of these players despite not being particularly splashy. Look like terrible signings. It's just that again. They're they're chugging along. They're filling the same role there. There's this weird consistency and sameness in this wildly different situation. Because Tom Brady doesn't play for the Patriots anymore. So even of the Patriots were not very good on offense last year at this point. I'm looking at it and saying well. They're kind of going to try to just have better health and and trump the same kind of system out so far. I think that's what things are pointing to. Yeah I don't think that's a good idea nora I I again. That would either but does this quite but does it feel like a thing where they're almost trying to convince themselves that everything is fine by not making a move Well they didn't try to try to be on this defined dig thing. So Yeah I. That's not my reporting and I wish I could credit whoever had that but I've seen reporting multiple places that they tried to make that happen but it got a little bit to retrieve their blood Which has been the case? I mean there are a number of bigger named guys that Over the last couple of years they have tried to get and then swung and missed and it just hasn't happened And obviously right now. One of the main reason less significant in a trade but just in terms of this off season as a whole as again money. 'cause they don't have very much sure but this is a team that maybe knock unexpectedly to you. But certainly expectedly to me Franchise Joe. Thirty to the tune of fourteen point seven million dollars per season. Did I mean does that seem strange shoe out there already paying Shack Mason? What amounts to think ten million dollars a year? Yeah I mean a lot of things. That seemed strange. I think Joe Tuna absolutely deserves that money. He's a very good player. But right. That's that's a lot of money for guards I fully expect it to see Joe. Timmy gone Added I think most people in football I think I mean that was one of the guys at the combine this year where everyone was just like. Well that guys get paid rubbing hands together southside. Poppy Sol's No. I mean I can't really sit here. Tell us at the last few weeks I was like. Oh yeah totally I was. I get what's going on here but the only common denominator that I can find through all of it is. They're all in one way or another sort of like typical patriots. Things to do now again when you place that within the current context that were all operating in. It's like am I taking crazy pills. Like how's this GonNa work guys? But they all are the types of things that would seemingly pass. Bill Attacks Test for is good value. Is this preparing for the future? You know this that and the other thing and I guess I can sit here and and sort of guests at is that they're in. They're going. Tom Brady Tom Brady. This has worked for us for a long time. And we've got to evaluate what's out there the same way that we always have. We've got to think about roster building the same way that we always have and we'll see where we are. You know Rosser. Construction doesn't end in doesn't end after the draft doesn't end up free agency And we'll see how it goes. I mean I'm not optimistic like I should go. You Know Ford twelve with that. He's really young. He's he's promising but I I would not be bullish on it. Still you know things. They went about things they always do. Last season and I would state of that didn't really work out. Maybe made the playoffs. That's a lot of important twelve pleasure you know like you said it wasn't a great offense loves year and and by the standard that they have set for themselves. The season did not make a lot of people happy and feel accomplished. So here's here's the here's the problem for me with the. We're GONNA do what we normally do here. We're going to kind of run back what we did last year but without Tom Brady so last year. The offense we've said it struggled. The defense was really good. Tom Brady is. That was the problem. The defense was incredible last year. It was number one. Every metric can find the defenses. Lost Danny Shelton Jamie Collins Landon Roberts Kyle Van Noy and drawn harming I forgetting anybody else. That's five they can count one two three five star. That's the other thing that we need to worry about is that I'm currently who plays linebacker. Bentley is it. Is IT Steve Check? Is He playing linebacker for the Patriots? This oh God willing God willing. I mean I'm I'm not super concerned right just for the hair alone. I'm not too concerned about logic. Finding some linebackers like I'm sure he's going to trade a seventh round. Pick with somebody and get the next Calvin but you would figure the defense again played incredibly last year. It is not going to be quite as good even if they're the fifth that's defense and football. They're not going to be the best defense in football so to me. It's hard to construct a way that you can get the offense to improve by not having Tom Brady to kind of overcome the defense taking a step backwards just because they were so good last year. Which is the doesn't seem to add up to a winning season. I don't think it adds up to winning tonight. I'm concerned about this because my impression. Maybe I'm wrong I mean. Do you think the Patriots are just secretly tanking for Trevor Lawrence? Is that a viable philosophy for bill. Belichick no I don't think they're I. I just don't think that that's in their character. I don't think they can even good thing. I think they think things that they are doing makes sense. And I think they are being patient. And I think that they're trying to make individually smart decisions okay and they are going to give a young quarterback a genuine chance to win the starting job. You know maybe in competition with Brian Hoyer navien competition with Brian. Hoyer and someone else I mean. Let me ask you this. Sorry your podcast but like you think that the resultant makes the Patriots a winning team next year maybe like party like it's twenty fifteen. I mean I was GonNa ask you that question about. Do you think they are really? I haven't left my house in a long time and that that turns you into an interviewer. That's very strange crazy. No I mean I'll I'll answer your question. I and I'm GONNA ask Great. I mean Andy Dalton we know in two thousand fifteen was great with an excellent offensive line with a very solid running game with some of the best receivers in football. I don't know what the Patriots have any of those things. I think the offensive line could be good. Although in addition to losing all those players they lost Donbass Cornucopia who is the best one of the best offensive line coaches football history. Which can't help their running game was a disaster last season and I say that as someone who did have Sony Michelle in a fantasy football league and grew to honestly despise Sony Michelle which is incredibly unfair like a perfectly nice guy by disaster fantasy football last year and a receivers who you know maybe the worst tight end group in football you would hope Harbinson. New is healthy and more productive. Hope they didn't kill. Harry is healthy for the season. It doesn't prove in his second year. I could buy both those things but I mean join element is also now thirty. Three and you would figure. He's not getting better then he wasn't your spouse. He's probably getting worse on the way. Down and injuries are still a concern for all three of those receivers so I you know. I don't see a clear path where I'm like. Oh this is going to happen and because of that the Patriots are likely to prove it could happen. It's not out of the question but I don't see them surrounding someone like Andy Dalton with the weapons they need for him to be more than just a you know a competition veteran replacement in which if they want to try and win ten games and they. WanNa get a higher floor than what jared offers? I could see and he'd also probably knock the trade that's I don't think they want that contract but you know any adult and gets cut. Which seems likely they could go after him in free agency but we saw today Cam. Newton was cut by the Carolina. Panthers Jameis Winston is still a free agent. I mean do you see the Patriots prioritizing any of those guys to add them to their roster so and again I think you know one of the things that you always have to keep in mind when you're thinking about how the logic me visions is that it's not just about this here so they are not going to do anything and they also can't really at this point that is going to require them to send themselves in a significant way financially. So you know do I think them signing cam? Newton is ultimately unlikely. Yeah But we also don't really know what the market is for. Cam. Newton right now. How long is he willing to wait out? The Corona virus situation in hopes of potentially being able to get a physical that could drive his market because team could be potentially a little bit more comfortable with his situation. I don't know there's no way of knowing the answer to that question and less like I could get inside Cam Newton frame Which to date have been unable to use multiple attempts one thing that is always true patriots. Is that if the price gets low enough they will take a swing so I just think that it's at this point going to be more about just because none of those quarterbacks are available look like they're likely you know long term viable options. They're not gonNA have like an expensive bridge quarterback at this point there isn't even. I mean you know Brian. Hoyer is already in that role anyway and it just doesn't make sense for them for the sort of not long term but medium term. I guess You can argue that. It might be helped go ahead now for a counterpoint. To the Brian. Hoyer argument a great name for a band. Okay so argument. Yeah so Cam Newton League MVP. For years ago and Brian. Hoyer is like beyond if you saw Brian. Hoyer at star market are stop and shop. Would you recognize for Hoyer but I cover them doing with Petri? It doesn't matter going on the basis of covers the New England patriots. Would you recognize Brian? Hoyer yeah okay so you okay. That's fine I would not I? Summer December the Patriots but Cam Newton were in weapons. I would recognize. Can I would be like okay. This is a guy who is a little more notable than Brian Hoyer. I would not be willing to settle for the Patriots for Oboe Brian. Hoyer has this position locked up. He's good like I. I would still want at the right price. I guess I would still want to give the guy who was a league. Mvp A few years ago a viable shot at least competing to see if he's worth my starting job right so I'm totally with you there. Okay like I always love but first of all though I just want to say one thing which is that if we are judging people on more or less noticeable at a grocery store than Cam Newton who is still like Superman and has a pension for insane hat coup clears that bar. That's a good question. I'm not sure who are you more likely to notice it a grocery store then cameron. Oh Boy I. Would you know what I would argue? I would argue. That Brad Pitt is less noticeable at a grocery store candidate. Brad Pitt. Yeah you're probably right though. Do we know that you know that Cam wears those heads to the grocery store? I don't in addition to not being side canyons head. I am also have never been at a grocery store with them. You know to be fair you would know if you had been agresson stars camping and so that's fair right now. That at a grocery store is Brad Pitt. We can't be sore. We cannot be sure because from behind he just looked like a you know average build Kinda guy. So does Brian Hoyer. Okay right but I am. I am assuming that I can you know will at some point be able to see the faith I would wear. Okay let me go back. I agree with you at all. Okay Kim you you know that. The health is the question mark great but the health also drive the cost down so I think it would be worthwhile. If it was you know weren't expensive I just don't think that what the Patriots have been doing for the last couple of weeks. big old to me that you know who he. Another big splash quarterback is necessarily something that they're going to do again unless it becomes something that is of very clear value. Because you know like I said they will take a swing at you know anything that has a really high outside which Cam Newton obviously does sure just on hats alone. Camby has upside value. Yes I'm yeah I I just. I know we're not disagreeing here. It just feels like this is a team that for coach who is not young for a roster that is not young for eighteen. That was a super bowl winner as recently as last year. Even beyond the Tom Brady situation. It does not feel like there is a pressing desire to improve the roster and we'll see of course there is still time to go like you said at the draft is not the only point at which the deadline for adding players. It'll be guys who pop up here and there but it just feels like this is a team that is is losing players and has not really made any moves to replace those players. I cannot disagree with that as myself. Northey I'm just again. I think that the grounding factor in all the Patriots moves over the last few weeks husband that they're all as individual choices very patriot. Like and to me say that the team just thinks that the best thing for them to do is go about business as usual and the value conscious in the way that they have been for twenty years. And even if those things aren't currently tying together in a way that looks like you know an above five hundred team to me. I don't think that they think that the one that this is the final product to that really. Anything else that they could do that would make sense. Okay let's finish their. You've mentioned a couple of possible records the Patriots you said foreign twelve. Not Out of the question. You've said a sub five hundred season is not out of the question if the patrons continue on this course but they don't anybody significant they may be at a couple of veterans lower cost deals. What do you think the Patriots Record will be in twenty twenty five games? I I'd Rudolph schedule next year. Cyber for all those years where they are the easiest schedule in the league okay. That's not true but David Atlee brutal just in terms of the strength of the teams. They're playing and then. Also the travel assuming dots all normal which. I don't know if that necessarily feels like a safe assumption anymore. But as it stands. It's really tough so factoring that in. I can't say that I think have winning record. So you're saying five and eleven. Yeah I guess so. I kinda wanted to foreign twelve but I think that's just because they go twelve and four so often that it's like the inverse feels comfortable. Then I'm going to give him a fifth one alright. Five and eleven says Boston Globe writer nor Nora if people want to offer their opinions on that very reasonable and not at all antagonistic the might say prediction which I don't think it's antagonistic. But some people may think that. Where can people do that? Bill Barnwell on twitter. They already do that. Unfortunately would step by not actually say I will plug nor Prince. The audience tweeter which is at nor atty nor does excellent work covering the Patriots and is always they wonderful guest here on the bill Barnwell show. Thanks Nora absolutely. Thanks so much to my guest today when Z. Theory ESPN nor Prince. Yati of the Boston Globe. Talking about the incredible free agent transitions that are happening with those two super bowl teams from a year ago. Such a strange strange league. We are in when teams turn over so quickly but obviously a lot so common free agency with trades. We're GONNA keep previewing the draft and Lamar football on the ways. Nicer Listening Cope. You guys are staying healthy and doing well and we'll be back next week.
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He wasn't even sure he he was going to be capable of telling on the radio, but of course he's GonNa. Tell them thirty and to be honest with you I I sort of meant. There's no chance I can do adjusting nifty. Governor Mama try really hard, really hard. To to put you guys in the spot, Gotcha and the moment. Sport. is going to shock you. There's not much. I'm covering sports today. I watched Michael Jordan shoes thing last night. Michael. Jordan's shoes thing channel mine nose on advice. Oh, I'm. It's called a man in his shoes or something like that. It was the story of air. Jordan's and I watched that bitch or yeah, would you think? Board. No that's pretty interesting. It's really interesting a how how big of a deal that was and how? They didn't realize it was going to be that big sure. Ryan. Criminal Defense brings you front page sports. Thanks Ryan. Thank you Ryan. couple of days ago Tiger Woods and Peyton manning beat Phil Mickelson and Tom Brady to win the match. 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Amber Jesus. percent on rotten tomatoes to an embiid five billion dollars Oh. That's awesome, so it's the biggest film of all time right behind suicide squad. Hockey. Bad I liked liked live. When we come back, it sounds like Christmas suicidal yesterday. When he said a top five embarrassing moment of his life took place i. While going on his walk. Find out exactly what that was that he claimed was almost not for area. Was that embarrassing but It's going to be on the air next part on the fan. Always only be. While Account! Salami don't understand. Band's called the dinosaur pile up. Know. Song as backfoot. The morning of data to. Everybody, it's six twenty on the morning show. Get started on the right foot. That's cool man. My the one digging this winners. Last year? I think this is a good tune. Like eleven eleven better, but this is kind of cool. Yeah, that's disbanding down. That song it's one of the Great Band names of the twenty th century. Dinosaur, pile up I love that. That's cool man he's. Really a problem for us, but Matter of Flintstone Haiti demand traffic was bad back, then you. Get to work man God, being dinosaur pile abundant. Before. That's pretty cool. They have They had a really tiny banner last year on tour. You know like these bands. They try their best, but they're going fast signs, or whatever and then little thing well toward the end of the tour that there with shinedown China and actually bought him a giant like. Thousands of dollars huge banner that they could grow into her with and. Really Cool cool gesture. because. They're broke. Yeah. They don't make a lot of money on live music industry. They should make more of the other really good. Great I on the same page right there, buddy boy. Buddy boy, but he boy. We are ready when you are. All right. Yesterday was a Surprisingly Nice Day right all weekend long. Rain all day today, and then there was sunshine sunburns and in moments of health and happiness. So. I woke up feeling pretty good about the world. It was a Monday I was at home. And Memorial Day and Reading through the posts and Sounded I'd head on outside. The Walker live. In early. Keep in mind, and you set the scene for you guys the night before the night prior. We had had A. Big Vat of Spaghetti. that. And Bowie before you continue sees Paul. You don't talk about what you ate the night before. When you're going on a walk and it relates to wolf coming out the back to the. Song about right his right. It's not like. You'll never believe what I saw on my walk. And then you go meat sauce on it and just go so yesterday I had spaghetti. It has nothing to do with the story that is going to be a huge factor. I believe moving forward continue. No, you're right. You're right. You nailed it. You nailed it and I'll tell you why because. Amidst this VAT of Spaghetti there were delicious meatballs. Oh! Delicious and I had a lot of the meatballs. I loaded up on the meatballs, and for some reason even as early as that evening after consuming. The Spaghetti meatballs when I were to. Fart. My farts smell just like the meatballs and I can't explain it. It's like. It's like. Expect. My breath smell dafter eight. The meatballs, which I'm sure that it did, but instead my fart smelled that way with the little feast thrown in right, mean smelled like like. For you, it's well. It smelled like. A meatball that had been rolled and pooh-poohed. Smell. It's terribly terribly was greasy and stinky. Stinky and Tinky was terrible. It was terrible. It was a bad smell, definitely setting the scene well to the point where I got into the middle of the night on what that would have been Sunday night Monday morning and got an took some gas X. because I couldn't stand myself it was that bad right. Fast forward. By noon yesterday I'm out and I'm humping long. Managers feeling right feeling. You're walking. The walk of life, and I'm feeling good and and. It's pretty warm. I mean there's a lot of moisture nears hot day surprisingly writing. And I don't know why this made a difference, but I think it did Corey, and you can tell me 'cause you're scientists. Look at their. Had cotton underwear. Now normally I wear like. Moisture Wyking. Long undies but I'd cotton undies on like I don't know why. I'm the why I don't know why. Yesterday was the day when I woke up, and I put on boxer briefs, yes boxer briefs, but instead of moisture wyking these were cutting. I don't I'm not sure it made a difference to the story, but it might have thrown out there just so you know. So I'm rounding off a one Oh one onto. What I believe is is still at this point weaver, like boulevard. And Maple Grove I'm rounding the corner, around the corner. And it's pretty busy out there. You know there's a lot of people at our next is Nice Day Beautiful Day out there. Maple Grove very healthy people. And I'm rolling lawn. Headphones on. And I feel the belly rumble feel my belly rumble feel the presence of a dark cloud of sausage meatball gas. In my belly. But I'm outside. And I'm walking. And I'm a little damp downstairs between the cheeks because it's hot outside. And I I can't take anymore I'm not feeling. Good I gotTA. Let it out, I got A. I gotta get it out at art. I got a part. I'm outside. it's. Really want to go to the casino, but you're about to gamble Lou? Predict the end of my story. You'll predict into my story. And also. What do you want him to do? Paul go home too far in the privacy of his own home. Yeah, Nature! Aside right? I guess how nature bars the closest person to you when you're making this decision. Is there anybody within? Eyesight can you see anybody? Or are you on an island corey? Brilliant son of a bitch. You nail the problem. You were surrounding well. Nobody was social. Here's the thing. Is Not surrounded. But I did not do the courtesy of the look over my shoulder. Oh No, oh no! Oh Boy Chris. Amman didn't look behind you. Domains Babe I don't know why I. Don't know why. I didn't use Dwight. Hard I. Don't know I'm not a rude person like that I. Don't know why it did not. But I can only say that I was so jovial and happy in the sun was shining I felt so good about life that I just let fly I just let it go and again ahead a little bit of sickness going. It didn't feel good, so it needed to come out of was going to come out. But you're right. You're both right. You're all right everybody listening in the CAR I. This is my fault I'm not. This is not my fault. This is my fault. Check. But I let go. With a dark cloud of hate. Let go with. A dark cloud of hate that came out of damp cheeks through. into the world like Shrek Bog And when you let go, you never can get kind of your pro. You guys have we've. We've all grown up and everybody knows like this was going to be silent, or this is going to be loud, but sometimes you're not right about your prediction and this one. Shook the phone. Now. The the sheer. The sheer violence of it. Shook me out of my my joviality. To, the point where I checked over my shoulder. and five yards behind me. Five yards behind me at most by guards behind me. There's an older. Later. It had to be female I would've won. I was trying to figure out what would be the worst possible person to be their older lady. His Dad Holland Meryl Streep just. Holland's. But it's such A. It's such. Oh, no moment that I didn't. Get a good look at her. I just looked over my shoulder and saw that all. Right And, so what do you do right what I'm thinking? She's definitely going to smell it. And God I'm sorry, but it's terrible. It's it is. It is. Terrible Right But, not only is. She definitely does if she didn't hear it. I can take it off like man some debt around here if I have to write chatty schicker. Hey, somebody, step on a duck. But she can't avoid the cloud such a quick glance though I couldn't I didn't see if she had headphones on. I know that they weren't she didn't have like. Headphones, I had on, but I couldn't tell she maybe had some ear buds to my only hope at this point. Is that number one? She's. In by the way you gotTa Hope She's not listening to Norah Jones. You GotTa Hope She's listening to Pantai right so there's no chance that is led through walk. Yeah. She's going for a walk. They would make sense. My only hope is that she's whatever the equivalent of being blind is to noses right and. And that she's got headphones right, but my my is that she does have had, and it doesn't take a second for to catch me because she's all involved. He's like I'm gonNA say mid sixties, maybe five, four or five three. Now. Gets. Really good shape those sleek. Qatar and she's given it elbows. Ohio. Walking yeah. Yeah surely home balls, and she goes by me on my left hand side. I immediately moved my right and. The cavalcade of things in my brain at this point. Going crazy. And as she goes by me. She says one word. Oh! Actually address you on the word to me. That could not of been more perfectly delivered. Can we all gas now? I'M GONNA. Tell you guys right now. There's no chance in hell that any of you guys will will guess what she said to me and you'll also afterwards typically cap to this poor lady who walked through Devil's asshole yesterday. This was the most perfect word to say to me after what I put her through. Can you give us one hint I? No can you give us the number of letters? We can try to fill in the blank. Know what's no I want you to guess. It's too good. Describe it again. She there was a line cough shot for her. Though and just a sheets, her shoulders like this pass me, says one word, and it's not just the words the way she delivered. That's why I'm saying in a half smile. Oh No, Oh, it was no, no, no, she was holding. A that was funny. This was not we all do it. This was a how dare you pass gas in front of me. I'm sorry I. Didn't realize it was your turn out at. What do you think she said because I'm tell you off mad respect if I ever see this lady again, never speak to her to be honest with you, but I would want to say to her. What I don't know how you hit it out of the park. In such a a a quick moment, but this was perfectly delivered. Lenny Bruce. Gasp again at what are the chances? Everybody gotTA guess. Accu Gallon Yeah. John UN. Sauce Zach with your guests, thanks. John meatballs. and. I just read by. DO I. Come on I. Think she would yuck. Hey right I'm going with just a real firm. Pathetic okay! Oh, good one, Corey! You're the closest. Because what she said to me. and. My God. I? I. I can't even tell you the vitriol. Whatever came out I mean she matched that level? With one word and it Wa-. Drummer all this, Shit, yes. Oh boy I so impressed buyer. And I'm just. I'm just cellophane the myself but. Revolt. Volt. Revolt with. Like like? Like, the devil would say it I mean like with anger. She said everything that that she had to say. One word describe how bad it smelled how it sound. My shoulder everything. Here's the thing though my fault completely. Is there any chance because of the the pay? She was going that she didn't walk through the cloud. You know what I'm saying like. How quickly did she walk through that area after you did it? Is there any chance she just heard? It was like gross. I mean there's a chance but I'm not kidding I mean. I'm not exaggerating. How bad this sit follow. That's so if you're listening, you're wondering who this lady is. Just look for a very fit lady with double, Pink Nine. I mean. First of all, and what a great word! Because that's! That's I. Mean you know you have to be a person of a certain age to even use the word revolting, but for that to be the first thing that comes to mind and aptly described what had just happened I? Mean that was the perfect word for the moment. That's I wish I could say that what she said. She had to have gritter teeth when she said so. Almost more. BRAFF almost more importantly. What do you do when she says revolting? And you realize you made a mistake. But. She's pissed and she's now speed walking past on. What was response I slowed down I. Wasn't there I looked. Sorry I didn't say a word into. Embarrassed I legitimately I was legitimately. Honestly truly really I feel bad about it. I I can't believe I didn't look over my shoulder. What kind of a guy doesn't look over shoulder? To make sure there's nobody behind him? Fifty years old? I'm almost fifty years old weeks clapped, you farted. Part of this story and this is a lot of. Stories is. Wouldn't you pay a lot of money to hear the first time? She tells that story to something. Like how she describes you, how would you describe? How absolutely revolting truly was? Oh, right? She probably says year two gigantic smile on your face Reggie. Probably change the story right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a pony tail. He blew me a kiss. Served! Your wanted. I'm definitely not wanted volt. Yeah so, that's that must've been one hell of A. It was terrible. It literally was terrible. Replaced and I love I love that you're at the point in your life. Though where it happens, you're just train wrecked. You're embarrassed. It's the gut. Punch in one of your first reaction is I have to take a picture of my. Faith put it on twitter to document this moment. What you did, and you look shy I'll. How long after that moment did you take that picture? At that moment, he was maybe ten yards in front of me. Oh, man yeah. So it'd. happened. Just having. Bruin! I'm sorry. Proper Probably. Yeah probably should've says I'm sorry, but there's nothing I'm going to fix it. At that point. You guys ever seen the film. Serendipity with Kate back and say. I remember liking. Maybe. It would have been the most. Inception moment of all time. If, the end of that story had been the gal behind him wasn't a sixty year old speed walker. But the GAL from time with a perfect ask that. Said something like ten years ago. If that was the same gal in that perfect ass. Is speed running away from me because she just went through your cloud. You? Sheryl Crowe. Right I got that large. Stocking her. She'd run by discount. House. And you put a ring on it. I might have thrown up. At, who else could it have been where I'm just GonNa give other people that have just put up absolutely devastated you. Like local. Second Time! We've referenced. Milian just walked right. Just completely dusk. or at least you Lewis in glasses We should have something she'll there her is. By their all thought. Runs. Can't see really matters scores and stats kind of around the world sports. John Bonuses here Carly Ob on the Oakland about an hour. Rosie in studio in about an hour. This power to a morning show on the van. The Fan. took. Six forty four hundred morning show. Thanks for tuning in, but we are not. Revolting. Bonuses in Tuesday, not Monday. SAUCY COREY MYSELF ON ANZAC. answered. We believe. Carly will be joining US via the Opel. And Rosie will be in studio. Filling the blank and so much more. I can't wait. I love that Game He. Great, as thing again or is this part? Great! Asia. The band before Chester Bennington Lincoln Park. Gets he looked at Arizona I also. And this is the theme for. What really matters? I do sports news Chris does something else. It probably will be more interesting than what I say down again, not fair. Style. Proud of you hard. I'm trying you don putting forth. For that's right, you're not revolting in this segment. You very much. I I see. Match place over the weekend tiger and Peyton versus fill and Brady and a winter, the way of woods and Manning raised over twenty million for Covid, nineteen relief, efforts and Tom. Brady split his pants. Yeah! I didn't watch. Any of it. I. If, we're talking about twitter, feed was full of. I didn't watch it. People love it, I guess. What are what really matters is this? Hawaii. Is made up of one hundred thirty seven island. The big ones in one hundred and twenty nine other little ones. And thirty seven Wow. Who here's been Hawaii have you core have not now I have. And even notice no. Alaska the only two we have. been to every continental US state. Yeah. What's the worst one? The worst one ahead. Let them have. I don't really remember much about any of the above, north, Carolina. That's wrong. Guess Again, okay? Answering. Thing about. West Virginia. Lewis Wisconsin. Hawaii's cool. Okay I mean it's about it is. Why is it cool? It's beautiful. The weather is always nice. People are very kind the only thing that sucks about Hawaii's the time change. That's it and it's ungodly expensive borough Matt it's cool. and. The Jurassic Park movie was filmed there and that's sweet to know. I've been to the landing place where they Did the the first part where you see the dinosaurs? I've been there. Screen no interest in what's going on with you any place where it feels like you've been in a movie, we're walking. I feel like. Jurassic. I've been to because they felt exactly like I'd y shot. You know what I'm saying goes. Hockey's been in a lot of movies scenes in the back of a man. Right No, I haven't out with that. Georgetown head coach Patrick Ewing out of the hospital, following a corona virus diagnosis. He spent the weekend there, but sounds like he's GonNa. Be Okay. Good? It's getting older mckerrow. No Right. He's gotta be enormous. Student Man was the first pick and what eighty four was. That the. To envelope draft notes. That was eighty, five eighty. Four is alive on Sam Bowie. Jordan still just fifty so. Is the first pick eighty five. Which means yeah I. Don't Know How many years he played at Georgetown, but that's thirty five years ago. Jordan's older than you. Depend, dependent when they came out depends Jordan playoff four years. He's played. Didn't everybody play all four years back down. Jordan definitely didn't play off for years to use a three year. Basically so maybe the same age. If. If you played all four. US was a senior. So, they might be the same age. So, we're talking something like. I. Dunno, the next fifty seven I know no one cares okay. I talked too much, but The next five picks in that draft fifty seven. I've never heard of those people in one thousand, nine hundred five, yeah. We'll go ahead I'll give a breakdown. Wayne Wayman Tisdale. Saxophone or something to like he actually had a legit music career when his basketball career around even joking, we know him more for his music than his basketball. Guy For a long time but that Benjamin Benjamin Flippers. Actually I didn't know that was. mcdaniel, the X. Men never heard of this. I've heard of all four of these keeps going on. Con- CAQ. Sean or John John J. O. N. conduct. That heard him say Shawn Shawn Shawn. Shawn CONTAC-. John Cat played for the Hawks for a long time all five Joe Klein. I think he was a Celtic a white guy that played for the Celtics and Chris Mullin. Hurt him from John remained much shrimp. WAS IMPACTING INDIANA. Debt Look Jersey of course. It. Charles Oakley. And then Ed pick any who also played for the Celtics and all that guy. You knew the thirteenth pick was of course he in nineteen, hundred, eighty five. I think. Carl Malone. You are correct sir. Wow, basketball, knowledge. Joe Dumars. Terry Porter. A C green claimed he was a virgin to lose like forty years old. Yeah! Right sure. Since back then more played. For Long Draft spud Webb was the eighty seventh overall pick who cares? It's a lot of Info in the eighty five NBA draft. I'm sorry to all those people because. Yet again. You are the wisely so. You didn't know them. Just the rest of US had heard of right. You didn't know. Yeah, you're correct. Yes Sean. SEAN CONCACAF Ed pick any. Quite right, but that's. It's close enough. What really matters though is this point? If, you want to go back in time. It's releasing. Just Ethiopia. They use a different calendar than most of the rest of the world. It has thirteen months. It's currently only two thousand twelve there. NOPE, I'm not back two thousand twelve. It's not it's twenty. Know they can claim it is but. Twenty? Michael Back there. If the rest of the world is on a time line. You're on our time line. Stay here. We do this once and do it now. I should probably just myself because they'll no. No, no, no, no, it's not like that. Because why bring up, if don't even know three percent of it, but I saw what is decidedly re tweeted. Something about. The fossil record that the in Iraq's that there's like a billion years missing in certain parts of the world including the Grand Canyon. The That's all I read. I read the headline. That they're. They're getting confused. Because there's a billion years missing in a handful of spots in the grand canyons, one of them. That's gotTA. Be Frustrating when you're like. We're a billion years off here. Where are those rocks? Because, if we have this dated at four billion, this data to two billion, whereas billion year number three where the hell out of those billions these rocks. It's all I read. Though so I have no idea what the context. The greatest still fascinates me been there. REALLY GIVE IT A. Thought was cool of. Typewriter on. Thank you. So you've been to the Grand Canyon, would you see? Would you like? Four pause the book. Grand Okay. I was just adding to the conversation by saying I've been there. Now anytime I say I or I like that or I. Have that it's your dumb. Tell us about it so I'm sorry. I've been in the Comet Canyon a real quick which side the North Rim? Great. Cool. Canyon sweet by cool. Wow, it's. Sweet. Stuff a giant hole, yeah! It's. Another couple of words of great worst describe it. It's very therapeutic. What? Way Like you scan the restaurant where you high? I was like twelve. Why do you stand on? Answer questions a restaurant in the lodge right Yep. I'm going to draw. So. I. Put. The Lodge. Right Yep. There's a patio. Where you can like look over to. Over to. Oh He. Oh, for the letter listing the drawing is helping zero, so the Grand Canyon's here. Okay, it's right there I. See it yeah. All Year Okay Yeah. Colors the rock. I was not high. It's neat as well with the grantee. The giant hole. Yeah Man, this is damn do adjectives and adverbs. We wait well. My family went. Your Family And I probably checked out in fact to the room. Can Check and probably the buffet, but my dad loves National Parts Dad loves. I've been to a few of them. This is going to be an addendum to put this in your Dad's spectrum to the book. What? What's that called things? My lover likes the day when he's got closed on. Great stuff. Thanks man. Another four star giant dude named Cameron James Six eight hundred eighty pounds. He's a tackle joined the University of Minnesota East Lake, Como Italy. So. I! And, I'm. Can. something. God. Only name, are you blathering? What are you GonNa? Tease. Power beds came out with the room party. Bets they're pretty funny. Okay, we'll do those before we do the news next. Right here on the average. Les. Fan. More about. 702 and it's Tuesday may twenty sixth. And Rosie O. Here in just a bit of course and within Carly's GonNa Hook up on the Ol-. Mafia to. News coming right up. But before we do that, there's a huge tease. Read before we went to break huge. Tease the ruling party the virtual room. Party is this Friday night starting at six thirty. Seven minutes actually six six thirty yeah, yeah. We go on its seven mile odd to tell people about it yet. Really. Great Point you actually, you jinxed it. Is All your fault. Thanks defended you on that one by the way the email. Tell your friends. Didn't say just tell your behind the scenes friends, is it? So you said on the year and twitter at least twitter. You're not supposed to tell anybody. John has a lot of friends like if Chad Abbott went to mean to tell your friends at go, you're looking at them. There's like three of them I worked with them. Nobody else so you have a lot of friends, your social dude you are. So it, said tell your friends and you did. Cami, but the virtual re- party. Is this Friday? It's going be fun. It'd be here and there are some bets power. Go alongside at powered. You Bet says a bunch of prop. Bets And the odd that they take place this Friday, and some over unders again. Paul shows are involved on Friday night. That's right. But then we don't. We seven thirty. Are we like an hour in or is it? We are. Eight, eight eight eight. Okay, so we're at eight. So the three other shows get a half an hour a piece that essentially the time. Never take sound like a half hour. Repeats all right, so we go eight to question mark right yeah got it. What? Do immediately I thought Corey was going Oh. You can do they are. On twitter. Want somebody else to read them because they I think they don't trust you to read these properly. especially with B. Minus four hundred or plus twenty by no, I think it's Funnier if you do and then we make fun of you for not reading currently. Here are the Rube Party prop pets brench. Party proper off to a good start. Get mentions of Yoga Pants and breasts by common the over under two and a half. Names. To each one of them. It's gotTA. Be under. No I'll go over. To Make Fun of us for a good chunk of his section sane worse. But more than twice on. That particular bit. No, yeah you'll see doesn't like to run bits into the ground. Take the over. Hawk. I think the under K. Names of adult film stars that PA mentions over under five and a half over over over. I'll take the order. Total number of nipple seen between all shows over under three and a half from PA Yup, maybe two from Chris. That's enough to get us to the over. If Gail shows up, that's to more than six. The over I'll take the over. I would take the over on that as well. Hockey Indiana a hick laps over under three and a half. I'll take the over. Thirty and a half right now we take the over. The over. Every dollar I have on this. Kim Hockey is seen on camera, holding a glass of wine minus four hundred. All depends on whether or not. She's in town during coronavirus. There's a pretty goddamn good chance. She's in town right, which has she's going to be home on a Friday night. It's going to be eight eight thirty. Three months mortgage in minus four hundred that she's holding a glass talk there yeah, yes, one hundred percent that's that's the easiest one on the. They should take that off the board. Yeah, well, there is one that's off. The board meets us. Does the target bit plus one twenty five? I. Don't think we'll have time for that. But who no one wants to hear that anymore stupid played out. Muppet licks meets us is face plus two twenty five. You save face. I said face. I've been now. Let me say no one that Korean meets us. Perform the Weiner Song now because when we did that party at at the poor house back in the day, common told us how poor Wentz a thousand times to our faces bluntly as possible. Off He's right awful, we know we know we're screwing. Around was a bit that was no. That was awful. Awful. He's right, we we know. Do either one of US seem to care. No, we don't care I'm just having fun. I don't care. Don't care. We didn't go up there to do storytelling, yeah. Corey wears a black shirt that is off the board. Anything else, do you? See on Friday now. Tommy. Olsen shows the bed that he and Schmaltz shared plus three hundred. I doubt it. this is this is almost this almost as good as Kim hockey holding a glass of wine, Zach halverson double fist stop. Beverage at any. Point minus four fifth. Yeah about the house yeah for sure John. Bonus makes an appearance, just a dance minus two. A misleading just to dance is is the key word. Will you make an appearance? Probably sure? Could we get you to dance? Probably? Yeah, but you won't be there just to dance. It'll be to do other things but I see what you're saying that's that's a very. Tough Wording there for that bet, all right Zach. halverson goes shirtless at some point. That's even say no. Don't encourage. They'll be nips. Yeah, John crease uses a prosthetic leg as a drink stand plus one thirty. He doesn't once in a while. Corey! Mentioned the initials game raising cane's Dr David widen is minus two hundred. Let a heavy favourite. But the kickstarter campaign for initials is currently done so for the time being I don't really have anything to promote when it comes of initials to Friday night. I'm going to be looking at the the stream with. Perfectly Clear Vision to thanks to Dr David Wedding. I'll probably be eating canes at the time because it's Friday night. A, tough one. This is my favorite would. Hockey. Barreiro sticks around to watch. The other shows is plus twelve, hundred plus twelve. Yeah it gets turned off the second. He's done. I. You couldn't pay him twelve thousand to watch, and there's no chance especially after eight, yeah. Common Talks about his golf game is minus eight hundred. That's an easy one. P. A. Finally runs the virtual shirtless forty from his home is plus two twenty, five hundred. What's more likely Barreiro sticking around to watch any of the other shows or PA finally doing the shirtless for forty? Probably a mile. Norberto has to Filibuster for thirty seconds or more. Well PA gets. Distracted as minus two fifty. Nine. And any host gas suffers a wardrobe malfunction plus two seventy five. Well, there's there's two main possibilities. There are true wardrobe, malfunction either hockey, testicle or a gale nipple right? Those are the two. I mean that could happen. What inside? Hockey Nipple because she's so drunk from the wine. Is that possible? Any host though that's off the board hosting guests. It would be a guest, right. So the the favorite is Kim hockey holding a glass of wine. Yeah, that's easier. Yeah! I mean yeah yeah problem. Minus four hundred. All right, let's do it should be fine. News with Chris Hockey presented by Grey Duck. Hi, everybody. My name is Christine I'm here to give you the news. Don't forget anybody out in about in Minneapolis going GonNa be forced to wear a mask masks. We'll be required inside Minneapolis stores and at other indoor gatherings starting at five o'clock this afternoon. Emergency Regulation was signed into order by Mayor Jacob FRY last Thursday. Breaking the rules could result in a one thousand dollar fine. Don't forget that today John Boehner? Paul number what how much? One Thousand Dollars. Interesting mask. I have one of my. In my pocket as well. Guess Hey if we knew that we can just stop this thing with mass like just got almost go back to normal. When are we all just be like? Yeah, no do that. No, we're learning. That's not the goes. I know I. Know conceptually you're saying Oh if it's just that easy. All of a storm asked and it's alright if that was possible, we've seen this. If you're looking at all these internet videos, there's a huge section of the population that thinks it's against the constitution to be forced to wear a mask, which is a hundred percent, not correct. Right. I want to wear a seatbelt. Well, are you saying that? We know that it is not in fact effective to wear a mask, or are you saying we just? We just went out. Get full by forever. We would not get full buying. Mean that seems like a pretty small price to pay. Their lives for two months twenty percent unemployment. We all just wear masks. The latest Minnesota poll says a majority of Minnesotans, support and voting. The pool buddy stripped NPR care. Eleven shows fifty nine percent of French voters say they support the vote by mail. All thirty seven percent say they're opposed to it. It's it's May the elections, not till November. We have a lot of time to figure out between now. And then how's it, GonNa work. You gotTA. have thirteen different plans because you can't scramble for a presidential election, right? In October right so I'm glad everybody's thinking ahead but Mike. My guess is. We're going to have a much clearer picture in the next two or three months. Then! We will two or three days now, so I'm not too worried about it yet. Especially for one that is likely to have a record numbers. Good Point. And Eastern Minnesota casinos reopening today, everybody who enters. Everybody Winters Mystic Lake Casino in prior lake will have their temperatures checked. And they'll need to wear a face mask. Capacity at the casino will be kept about fifty percent. Social distancing will also be enforced and better. Sanitation procedures will be in place. I've been told by somebody in the no, the drink cart guy that the. Progressives were not reset you correct on the court. You're correct. There's money was made sense made money waiting. Yes, are you? going. To go in the next thirty six hours. I doubt it. Thirty seven. You got. Given gym walls approval rating is up amid the corona virus epidemic, according to that Saint. We were talking about earlier. It's a searching NPR care. Eleven walls. Approval is at sixty five percent up from fifty six percent in February. They're going that. SCAMMERS are bilking Americans out of millions of dollars with the coronavirus scams. The FTC reports more than fifty two thousand complaints involving nearly forty million dollars in losses as of May twenty first. The average victimless, nearly five hundred dollars, according to the FTC one of the top covert nineteen scams text message it tells victims to click on a link and provide personal information to get a government refund. We were talking about it on the after party. Cory but you were almost scammed by for your net flicks. passcode. Walmart's yeah, so this is a years old scam, but I got an email a couple of weeks ago from net flicks. Same logo same graphics. It looked very official. There is no way of knowing that it wasn't so then it basically two. There was a problem with your payment being processed. What the hell doesn't make any sense. So I clicked on the link. I had to enter my Netflix username and password, and then the next page was they were asking for my address. My social security number to wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait. That was my red flag. I quickly panicked him like a up because I did. Give that phishing email, my name in one of my. Ten passwords that US so then I quickly had to go change my Netflix's password, and one or two other things that I used that password for my book. Change that change that so I don't think they can do anything with it, but I technically gave him a username and a password, but wasn't gullible enough to take one more step. And put the rest of it in, but I I did email netflix and just say hey. Here's what just happened. This is not from you. I assume because it asked for my social security number, and they said Yep. We would never do that, and then they asked me to forward that to them just so they can try to track it backwards as well. My God. Another scam you had mentioned on the after party I. Don't know how long ago month or two ago about the one that sent you. Oh, yeah, a former password. I got out dude I got that last week so about. A, month ago Zach about a month ago, I got an email. In the subject line, it says. Your Password is blank. We know your password. And it goes on to be super threatening that you have twenty four hours essentially to give me three thousand dollars otherwise would basically claimed was they had video from my phone of what I look up and what I do, and I haven't had embarrassing videos, and they were going to release it to four random people in my contacts if I didn't pay them in crypto currency in the next forty eight hours. But it gets your attention in chills you to the bone for setting crap. That was like the back in the day like in the late nineties early two thousand. Everybody had one password, and that was the one I used for about a decade I haven't used it in about ten years or something like that, but it's been a long time, but for a long time. That was my password, so the fact that it was we know your password on my crap. What I've been reading. This is pretty vague, but I can see why it can scare you enough especially if you're an older person like that's my password, I have had an older person figures out how to get Perko currency, but still. For a second I definitely going, what do they know? And who were they sending this to? Whoops. Told you the four people? They're going to send it to you. They know what idea. Cash those tickets are. Very very serious story, and it's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and rightfully so. Before, we go to sports. The FBI is investigating an in custody death of a man in South Minneapolis last night. Who was seen in a bystander video saying he couldn't breathe. As police held him down, he did pass away. Chief Aaron Dondo, says the officers involved have been quote relieved of duty status, which is classified differently from administrative leave, but it's still pay with no law enforcement duties so much more on that today, but the others it's A. Horrible to you can hear him saying I can't breathe. I can't breathe, and then he passes away. So. I'm sure we'll. We'll see and hear more about that but sakes. All right over to the department. Let's go to sports with Sauce Tiger and Peyton Manning Beats Phil and Tom Brady in the match in that event raised over twenty million dollars for covert relief. It was also the most watched event in cable history. Dan, Patrick Ewing tested positive for covert on Friday. He's now recovering at home after he stayed in the hospital over weekend. Good for you. Good. Bill Ballot Check in Mike McCarthy are Co favorites to win the twenty twenty coach of the Year award at plus twelve hundred. Mike McCarthy now is cowboys Seattle. and. Lastly, according to Profootballtalk, be cardinals reportedly have interest in Everson Griffen who they are waiting for an availability to visit him or have him visit them because they don't want anybody with all the Kobe stuff going on, but. The cardinals are a team that could land Everson Griffen. The Brennan John You can stick around for one more right. I can't all right one rod out of a John Boehner concurrently sucker in about twenty minutes Mark Rosen in about twenty minutes, but before we do that one of those profits was whether or not I was gonNA. Mention raising cane's during the virtual rupert. You're listening to the fan. Well good morning everybody. Thank you for tuning into your Paderborn show final segment of John John? I just saw an email from twins. Daily Dot Com, I, what did it say chance to open it? Does I. Suppose it had our latest stories on. Twins daily the show must go on. At treading water as the clock ticks, yes, so that is big, Nelson, who's one of our best writers? He has been doing a simulated twin season using. I think it's out of the park baseball and he's been he's. Right now. I think there's forty games left in the season and the twins are in second place trying to figure out so. He doesn't so that it plays out the game, but then you have to make decisions. And he opened those decisions up to those people that read the people in the comments section sort of vote, what whether or not they should be replacing somebody in the rotation and let it let it play out so. Ladies Gentlemen can I please have your attention. Larry King is signed a five million dollar deal to do a podcast. Corey why. Did you do that. Ladies and gentlemen who I please have your attention right? Does this happened when I'm Larry? King has signed a five million dollar deal to do a celebrity interview podcast. I noticed both of your. Top One hundred. IHEARTMEDIA ABBES A gentleman. Please attention. Larry King has signed a five million dollar. Deal the to a podcast. Now. Our. Weather looks out there. NOPE Ladies and gentlemen. Could I. Please have your attention. It's complete nonsense former CNN anchor. Larry King signed a five million dollar deal to do a podcast. Larry's great. Let really is great. And I'm not asking for five million dollars. Hell I'd take five hundred. Now at this point. I'd like to buy a diet coke pop machine could I have fifty cents like a dollar an hour? Come on man. Come on, please tell me what company was signing. No. No. Please don't say a please it, wasn't it? Doesn't say. Look it up, sack? Shake. No No, no, no look it up. Karki a lot. I know you will. I said Cocky, but I liked Jesus. Is. 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Who knows right, but either way TIPPI. Hedren apparently is. Getting a lot of my phone on Johnson's. SHITS MELODIES! You? Please have your attention. I've just been handed urgent and horrifying news story awful TIPPI hedren twitch channel made seven million dollars in twenty, nine, thousand nine. I am confused. Why Kim? She apparently is a big animal rescuer. And Dakota Johnson said that Tippi hedren still lives with thirteen or fourteen lions and tigers own mind. tippy is ninety years old. So. She is basically a future version of that bitch baskin. I'll tell you what those animals will never go hungry. Oh God. So she's ninety and collects cats. Talkies re moment. Bronx! Well. Okay this yeah, this is an. Known To. That was right. I will remember he's not the not the dog through the Kennel it's. Isn't it? Angel I played Oh. This is the right one. Yeah, I love. This is right. Yeah, but instead of a dog that looks like it's been a couple of times. It's just three lonely podcasters. Doll you're talking. In you. Can help these three young. Donate today. One day work week this week. So John, what do you WanNa talk about tomorrow on the show? Kevin Dogs. For money with the songs. That's how we do it. We combine the to play that again, okay? Combo platter. Three of US behind a cage. Large Kid. And all three of us are holding a dog curve. And if we don't get some money quick. Just Sarah mclachlan ransom video. We can I ask a question. So! Do P. A. and common barrel. Get paid for their podcast. Terms. They do a daily Podcast, right? I'm just wondering by the way. I don't I? Don't say anything you encouraging. Charges, tippy, Hedren from. NEW ALL MINNESOTA. Nobody. That's a great thing. They make beer there. and. And by the way you want good root beer and I know we all do I love. Revere Nineteen Nineteen s straight from the KEG. In new ULM, Minnesota. The middle of summer it's made. One of my favorite things to do at the State Fair. Cup enormous thirty two ounce. achieve. Horny. Ones up on the hill. Used to know. Too much cheese, Kurds or something. Yeah. Right songs it is. I had another story, but I'M GONNA. Save it for the podcast six. Content. I'm ascendancy. If Larry wants to go with it for. Maybe run Burgundy. We're lucky that it wasn't with that. One Company. 'cause hockey may have killed. I mean literally what accounts. Of Work. It doesn't Johnson. A website right twins, daily dot, com or check out the podcast Cleveland in the. Latest one. We dive into sabermetrics stats. Have you ever wanted to? All those new fangled stats are they're talking about. Walk you through it for. Hour hour and a half. Trust me. By up your next Mark Roe losing. Biden's news. Even there's none this about. This on the venue. Fan. A. Strong one with. Some good morning. A. We're funded day. Zach Brown goofy. Pushes away those clouds. At least Tuesday feels like Monday, but it's Tuesday. How do I know that because Mark Rosen just walked in I'm mark. He's just hooking up. We're getting. It looks like he's. I'm good. Good Morning I'm GonNa. Tell you dude. I gotTa tell you can tell you this. Can I say to you? Say This for you. Yes. The beard place. Plays the beard. Man I don't know. Grows. I grew up watching on channel four play well. I'm all grown up now. Some board so I'm just. Go full shelby on it! Tell You OH, wow! He looked or healy he now let's Letterman like. Letterman, obviously, just just gave up. Yeah me. I was shocked. Dave, f. you know like not just a nice little nicely trimmed beard. It was like. Santa Claus. MINDS ARE WHITE LEVER That wind noise. Zach. Did you UNPLUG and plug it back inside? I don't know. How about yourself yeah I was. Pretty low key or the weather being what it was a little bit watch the a good share of the the golf match. Yeah, I thought you know. Give it a chance that it was mostly pretty entertaining about. Phil Mickelson they for golf fans. For Golfers? It was a rare opportunity to You know have a guy like Mickelson Mike Up. And explaining, not just not just trash talked with Brady and manning and those guys tiger just explaining what his thought process was. He's got up. You know 60-footer off the green and he's got you know. Housing approach shot stuff you never hear. During course of a real tournament, and he sets up just beautifully then he knocks it of course like three feet. There you go three feet away and I thought that was to me is is you're seeing as? You know the rest of the stuff with Barclay. Talk enough from the booth and. Brady knocks in that one hundred fifty yard after he just did not hit one good shot the first thing for three or four holes he, he was definitely all. For Guy I think of the single handicapped sauce He hit the left woods, right woods overseas and nothing was going right that he's yeah. Some of my favorite highlights of it. That I saw later on because I did see it was when Barkley said he'd what give fifty grand if. Tom Brady hit the fairway and he hit so far right and. Here's a little bit of allison this. Shots you won't this chuck. Come on. Man I, won't you? Check books not football bro. Eighth. Made, mad on our love it. Though man, he could take a joke. Shut your mouth. Here. When? The tough, get going voice. Hundred fifty yards, little backspin in the cup. That's kind of fun. Yeah, it was I watched the Bichir that and then What some of my favorite war movies yesterday Great escape dirty dozen now like so those self. Yeah roles fly. About. Tom Brady also tweeted about chuck. Bartley Charles Barkley and said I thought this was champions. Brow already chuck bombings in all caps. Barkley Never WanNA title. No, yeah, that's they. Yeah, it was he did win a gold medal. Menendez. Battle winning team. Yeah and I listen guys broke all the cable ratings. This shows you were. site. In thirst, thirst for some live since of sports that's out there in. This was as close as we NASCAR continues to roll, which is I'm sure satisfying. The NASCAR FANS AND Golf fans and other sports fans a chance to watch something for once, so that was cool. It go yeah. All Right, take your word for it. Yeah, just take my word for it. I'll play this I've know. Vikings News. Presented by. Will Vikings News is the rumor saucy. You mentioned earlier and that rumor of course is that hot rumour is the Arizona cardinals have interest in defensive and Everson Griffen. Well, they're still waiting for a face-to-face meeting. Is that the thought process? We're hearing? WHOA WHOA there fairly. It's happening. Good place good landing spot for forever. Any anyplace would be at this point so. I would think Arizona with. Kind of upcoming team exciting team would be fun Jerry Hopkins Yeah Yeah Murray Maria so reassert. Larry. You know not quite sure i. mean why the can't have a meeting. I don't understand that thing. I just the same questions would be asked to talk to unless they wanted to give him. Physical tests to see where he's at Certainly could interview them over teleconference. Zoom whatever you WANNA call it. But. That's the way they're doing business right now. So who knows no one's flying? Isn't it weird now when you see a plane in the sky? What is that really stands out like hey, a plane. I had to cancel my to Vegas trips right one for June one July got colline credits blah blah blah. I just threw a dart at the calendar and the fuel and just said Hey. I wonder if I go to Vegas in October. What's IT GOING TO BE? I found a couple of round trip tickets to Vegas on major airlines much like eighty three dollars. Fees, plus baggage and stuff, but still we're talking like a hundred and twenty bus. To Go to freaking Vegas. Through the hotels are pretty reasonable to. Oh yeah, absolutely Almost exactly the. High rollers like John Crucial the probably just say how much. How much can we pay you to show up high rollers like giant crease of a high roller sites so it through? Right here. I see that should be your hotel. Check in name like Matinee Acts Like B. E., t. t. for your last. Max Bag, your maximum rapper name. That is a good roger rap about gambling Jackson. Progressives Lot. Lizards. The only guy. Huge Batson goes looking for lot lizard. Ford more of them. Chris I'm I don't know how to say this. I your tweet last night, and I did not hear your story this morning. I'm not quite sure based on one I'm reading on twitter that I want to hear it, but you want to hear it well. Can you give the minute version given the the bullet-point? Give you I'll just. I'll say as quickly as I. can't I believe that the whole thing is? It's been posted now, okay? To Aj and Zach but the bottom line is huge VAT of Spaghetti with sausage meatballs. On Sunday night and as soon as I ate them I. Don't know why, but I started just emitting. The worst. Farts I mean just terrible and they smelled. Like just. You know they smelled like the sausage meatballs only with poop to you know look. Right right and so. I was from my walk on Sunday morning and then. Feeling good about life and just jolly and. It was very warm and. Sloppy downstairs and and For some reason I just completely uncharacteristic because I tried very much to be cognizant of of the feelings of other people, I did not. Did Not look over my shoulder to see if anybody who's behind me before I let just A. Just a! Just a monster, but go, and it was just the stench of death I mean. I released the devil. And dirty. And then I looked behind me, and there was a an an older lady, Ono. Thirty five. More like sixty six, but she was calling balls and and. And She walked right through the cloud death and Dodger and she walked by me. She said one single word Rosie in in the most. Just? Aggressive, the possible way that he you know what I'm. GonNa say a a grandmother. Lady would say to somebody she said. Reform? Revolt? She said it was revolting. Revolting and I couldn't. I can't disagree with herbs. Tears you were trying to I. I didn't mean to do crop duster. I'm GONNA guess that. As was pointed out, she probably has double pink this morning. It was terrible it was the worst. I was embarrassed family because I did it, but because she caught me. Brown handed. Bush was clear. Check check. That's the worst. I know that and. To just pull the word revolting from nowhere I. It's just I mean. Really described what it was. It was revolting mid. have been if like fifteen seconds later. She just started projectile vomiting. Brilliant. Man That's what happened Rosie. That's how embarrassed myself because I'm. I'm almost fifty years old and I. Still Am Not Smart Enough just to check out your. Take a look over the old. She was the most attractive sixty five year old on the planet. It was a very attractive lady, and she was really giving her hal just elbows high in Roland. Running. You're walking fast between gap. Between her. And I just feel horrible ran out of oxygen though. I mean no person should ever have to go through that. So if your grandmother has a story about some random guy farting in her face on the. Interface okay. Yeah I mean, would you? He's not his dad. How dare you? So yeah, that happened to me, Rose I. Think. They. Feel bad about. In the blanks when I saw that Alexis Pearson remember, we define Vikings mystery boy, and we power nation source. It and we got him connected. Yeah! I! Don't know if they're still dating. They are yeah, so they've been dating in for months. Yeah, we made a love connection. Is it possible. Betty powerchip listener. Knows who this is one hundred percent possible. I. This Lady told that Story to somebody yesterday. And hopefully that person told fifteen other people all because why not raise nothing to do? Everybody's telling stories. If anybody that you know, told a story similar to this. We have to find a way it's. Down to track you down and get her on ear. You or your mom or anybody is and I'm going to say early sixties. Fast Walker maybe about five because I was taller, so she's probably about five three five four and would have been around noon yesterday. A Memorial Day out for a walk in Maple Grove right over by weaver lake please contact the opportunity to apologize. I really would I'm not kidding. I really would I should have sorry, but I was so taken aback. It could back I literally. She was standing there she's. And and again I'm I'm proud of her to i. want to tell her. What an amazing word to use! Artifice. That's not a word. I would have come up with gross. Or Yucky or something like that, but to go with revolting revolting I mean it's just perfect it is. It's just perfect so my policies. Lady Yeah. It's a baller. Move to do a one word response as opposed. What is your problem guy right right, right? Just. Go. is terrible she. Sarah. Life moves fast just an epic third. Is Terrible. It was terrible, just terrible, so you could kind of you're going. You kept walking, yeah? You're a cognizant of the fragrance. I told these guys earlier that I had gotten up in the middle of the night because I was gassing myself out and took some gas X. because I was hurting my own self I can't even. Eat so just socially hidden. Working at Combo for her, because not only was. It sounds like the one time Chris didn't check over his shoulder. Never do it again, so she missed the shoulder check and she was dodging a giant Spaghetti and meatball Combo. That was you being medicated? But I'M GONNA. Tell you this right now i. guarantee she didn't smell. It went like like Bona, said I don't think she went. You had Scottie, and I think what she thought was. You'RE GONNA need to white. That didn't ask for the recipe. That's a very gross way. Say but not not. Have last day. The weird part though I really wanted Spaghetti now. I don't think I'll ever eat it again. Your? Question, we didn't ask earlier. I don't think I mentioned I. Asked you earlier. Did you say anything back? When she said revolting, you said no. You embarrassed, right. Did you stop walking not rarely now. I'm just picturing as soon as he drops the revolting bomb on you I. Just didn't Music Chris Stopping his tragedy runs away. And dipping your head in shame again. I hear what you're coming from, but really think about that I. mean put yourself in that spot. I was mortified. Right and I was in the wrong. and. She runs by me and says that. I didn't know how to react. The only thing I think obviously is I took out my phone about like. I said I don another maybe ten yards. And two got my phone and took a picture, my face and that. Picture is exactly how I felt the look on my face. Was Priceless I. I was disgusted by myself for a number reasons. I mean that's something like a nine year. Old Boy does not a forty nine year old man. You don't just a nine year old checks over show. Everyone else looks. And don't you psychologically think you could kind of outrun it? I mean when you're doing like. Get away from this. Absolutely sure. Doesn't work that way now. Kelly sitter. He was hoping she was a little farther. You could go. Oh, my God what! Is. This is this is the meanest possible reaction. Not Be made. It very mean, but you not have been a great troll. Move back because you said you were dealing with embarrassment. Didn't care if you found that way to just go whatever it's his life. How great would it have been? To just run up to her and just run side by side with a giant. A little bit almost saigo move possible to silently smile and stare at her and keep pace with her. But just per at least stay fifteen seconds. What are you doing? And just smile just jaw. Just did like an exorcist head spin with a giant grin on your face of kettering. Carly sucker joins next eight o'clock. Yeah, she said at eight, o'clock, just running a little bit late. We'll do fill in the blank in the eight o'clock hour headlines in the eight o'clock hour. Talk some sports if there is any. Power triple and. News. Welcome back. Our job by the way I looked up the the exact definition of the word revolting. Against Wordsmith. Is it accurate this is what let's see how close it is. This exact scenario go. Causing intense disgust, one hundred percent I mean that's that's right on the honey. That's what we all assumed. Almost. Word for word I would have guessed, but still yeah, and I assume the inflection voice added to the word is revolting enough as it is just the sheer mentioned of the word inflection, probably maybe the look on her face. I don't know that she give you that look. I saw the back of her head. On video. Filmed it? Hi Carly. High. You Got Karl. I miss all your faces well. That's. Just a few. Hey Are you joining us on the virtual reporting on Friday night or not. Sure to. You haven't been asked yet. I haven't asked I'm assuming it's just A. Party online exactly. Pretty much it. Can I come? Anytime, after eight, o'clock eight o'clock in beyond. We'll give you the lamp. Kim? Yeah. Get the web address for most. Guys didn't. Say. He said to have a Webcam and you said why carly. Said Yeah. Obviously. How may making money during quarantine? Only, friends, only fans whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, have you heard about this garbage? We talked to you about this or not only. ONLY FANS DOT com. I don't know that it's like it's like on twitter. You can link to it and it's basically. A paid version of long almost a paid version of twitter, but you can access it easy twitter and you just get subscriptions so basically it's you gotta give people content worth subscribing to oh an for gals. 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Know that sounds like a new venture. Maybe. ALL RIGHT ANYWAY! Do a little bit a sports even though there's not much. There's not much time for Fan. Five brought to you by builders and remodelers. Building remodels. Rose if you consider. You, consider, Games, sport sometimes right a board game, names, or yeah, of course. The casinos are starting now with and backup. Starting today I heard that the dominoes are falling. In Vegas or not quite vague is about a week away. Okay, but which? Ones in town. We're almost there. I wonder if power trip pets will come up at the over under of how many hours Intel hockey goes. Chris claims he is not going today. I will not be going today. Is it seventy two? Is that a good over under seventy two hours, yeah. Yeah. He can't wait a week. Yeah! I'll be anxious to see how the the under they look like smoking situation. Wearing masks, I heard smokey. Hope show. we'll. Ask right if you require. Say it's hard. To eat or Designated areas outside the building. Vegas week away about a week. With until sport highly restricted, yeah, it, it's. At least for me from for most of us, it's the sports book that's. Nice play. BLACKJACK I heard they'll the. Is it true that the slot machines are not going to be operating right away? Every other every other now we know. Yeah well. It's a step going. They're not yeah, it's it's a step, but until sports you will say that's revolting. Yeah! But you know the the delayed Power Vegas from March of two right twenty right? Postponed Right Would you guys guess we go in the fall or just? All full one year delay tomorrow is twenty one I think March I think we go the fall. Right the fault. No Way, you guys can wait that long and I think it'll. It'll be open and everyone is going to be itching to go well. It could be an erector. It could be your right. Carly could be a whole influx sports by then to whom if baseball's back and he fell and. Obviously NFL in college football. So yeah, would you be available this fall in? Would you spend a lot of your only fans dot com money. Yes I would okay and I will by everyone waffle fries. Go, can we go forth? Think about it if it's a month of Carly for four, ninety nine or waffle fries for three hundred nine. I gotta go waffle for US Thursday or deal. I think it's a better deal. I don't know actually actually support that and understand that choice. More satisfying. To. Good financial. Would another order waffle fries with three people? That'll mathworks no good. PJ got yet. Another four star recruit mark rose and we. We don't need to have a debate about. Two Stars of the stars and sometimes okay, we get it, but still it's a culture change. We got another four started six eight two eighty pound offensive lineman name. How Cameron James Most four star recruit in the history of Gopher football I said a couple of four star of his alignment over the weekend. Another three startled three. You're right. A four star and some kid from Texas decommitted which is typical, happens a lot, but my goodness. He's racking them up. That's a big big kid. Entering as a high school soon to be high school senior. while. That's a ally. Bitch. Mashed potatoes. Lots of. So good lot of carbs Georgetown head coach Patrick. Ewing is out of the hospital following a weekend stay of corona virus at the the old hospital sounds like he's home in better. George started trash talking to them when he got out of there. Right away from that. Yeah good for Patrick Ewing absolutely. As well. the match between Tiger and Payden and fill and Brady raise twenty million dollars for covid nineteen relief. And an average of five point eight million viewers watched that was the most watched golf event in cable TV history, and beat the average number of viewers for the last dance, which was five point six million did five point eight. Yeah, they were lucky. The got it in a at thankfully, the rain was just heavy rain, not any lightning in the area that would have been just like so twenty twenty two had the whole thing built up like that and have it. Put get postponed because with thunderstorm, but heavy rain did not set it back a little bit in terms of time, and it was like five hours with broadcast time because they had all these special little. Holes that were going on a long drive, and they were chatting the whole time, but yeah I mean it was a good worthwhile effort to mean. It's not easy to something like that often. Again given where. We are trying to watch anything that resembles a sporting event and having the personalities of those four. It was pretty entertaining overall. Under armor stock in the last twelve months, disaster and I know Tom Brady joked about in the future hill wear his under armour golf split. His pants split his pants, so were those under armor panties as. They weren't or were. They would assume they were either way. It's bad right either. He wasn't wearing. Pants which is kind of. Why aren't you wearing the guy hands or if you did wear the under armour? Golf Panton, they ripped. It's like. Somebody joked to reveal and he tweeted like. What is this GONNA cost under armor in his joke was. Much farther. They're having a horrible year horrible Hawaii's. That do you know I I don't know. I know the The CEO a year or so ago basically said the mistake they made. was forgetting about the true quality of the clothing and just slap the logo on. Thing right. And they realized had to go back and basically figure out a way to you know people actually care if it's comfortable and fits right, and it's nice, not just the under armour logo like even Nike can't slammed and swoosh on anything. It has to be good stuff to correct if it's good and you slap bad Nike logo on it. You're crushing. Man who was like forty five forty eight bucks? No eight SM walls. There's two different under armor stocks. You can buy ones at seven half ones at eight and a half. She super separatist. Over and Tom Brady's pants split just a great moment. Did. You get to see anything. No, but what if he had gone commando? Was it the front or the back that split the back the back. Bent over to pick up his golf ball, carly. And Rip. Up. Rip Them He remember. Speaking this, the twitter bots that are back, you kind of enforce. All of a sudden number joked about the one on the after party last week that the one gal even again I know it's about, but the one girl said all she eats like. What was it Doritos Motte sticks and blank. Another one. Did the joke that she has she basically said like. Hey, follow my site. She Goes I. Have the letter W tattooed on each one of my cheeks? Oh got it. Yeah, so it's. Funny. So, whoever's doing these bots? Whoever's hoover programs getting creative instead of just Yup. Hey. Do you WANNA see naked girls? Click this link, right? It's more like. You make me laugh. You might have my attention. I'm not going to click on it because I know, it's just a financial trap I'm not doing it, but still. Both of them have made me laugh got zero sense for me. Does once fun? That's a funny lines. A superfund law is much the road six three dozen bleep. Okay. Hey I remember follow. Was She goes and I'm hungry. which makes it even that's so funny. Twitter twitter is the best and the worst and the worst. Especially now it's both. Everyone all right, that'll basically do it for sports carleen. Did Jason, get a copy of the memo talking about the protocol from the NHL when they're coming back and everything like that, or is that just sent to the teams? I I don't know if when was sent directly to him, but he obviously saw it. What's he thinking? Well he's so anxious to get back that he was basically trying to tell me that he had to leave June one he was. I have to be back in. Pittsburgh one said we're in this memo. Does it say June he's like? It's just what I've. We've talked about I'm pretty sure I I. G- We're. GonNa start some small groups stuff, so I'm headed back a said. The memo doesn't I twenty nine pages does nothing in there. Say June one. Cam He just wants. US Out. Any anymore playhouses flipped yeah. Poor guy. He doesn't have to do any for those barely. He's still tired of them. Yeah! He's just tired. Of Yeah. He's tired of us. Maybe whole, that's. The. No It's good news though meeting days to. Get out which sports going to finally get it done I i. think the NBA. MLB's dragging its feet. Now Feel like they have a plan. It's just when do we start? You know I don't know. All right we'll do headlines next in about twenty five minutes from now we'll play fill in the blank. Carl Hooper's here Mark Rosen his ear. This is the power trip morning joe but fan. On the. Methadone. Thirty on the fan. And Welcome back in twenty. One on Tuesday may twenty six. Forget Friday night. Six thirty. Paul over the Internet's. The Virtual Rupa Party. Featuring all your favorite fan personalities, and then some. We've already done a deal for. Carly to jump off for only fans page for few moments and join us. For a female perspective on this scandal return to a woman a three. I had so much fun last year at the RUE party. Me To pitch. Left I didn't have too much fun. I left at the perfect time Jason. I had a blast. We hung out with Tina rage. Over. Actually she likes you more than Jason in terms of like sexual. Even know what I'm saying. She's more attractive to me. She's like. You are her girl crush. I read point. It's mutual for both of us. We feel the same way. Go on, well, you can I give you to a small piece of advice. Yes only fans. DOT, com. Together? Take all of our money. That's right all right page together. Yeah. Okay Cool Hi guys. Hi! Rosyth morning. This is the time for headline. We a lot to get to you good. Presented by Firefly Credit Union. We got some good ones today. Some weird ones oh to. A wanted man in Florida was live streaming on Friday and the cops found out where he wasn't tracked down, so they ended up streaming his arrest. On his own accounts. Hanging out ultraman live TV show rolling one. The. Resort private. Guy Named Jesus admitted he did vandalize. Church in North Carolina what's his name? Why loaded in. Jesus. You thought. No no probably. A guy that. Guyana bike! Refuse to move from a dairy queen through when they told him. They were only going to serve people in cars. That's not fair house. Everybody. The state in which a guy went through a drive through on a bike Boorda hunger let's. Get One gap. Wisconsin Florida Carly, I'm. GonNa go Michigan Shoe. OFF THE BOARD! Oh I'm GonNa, say definitely Wisconsin. Care the phone. Yeah. Wisconsin has the right right. I don't understand why they wouldn't serve him his mind still. Truthfully not walking through on a bike. Moving vehicle. Even accept cars in Wisconsin. I'm surprised. It's not only just only four wheelers snowmobiles. That's true. Three brothers in Bolivia who are eight ten and twelve years old were hospitalized after they let a black widow spider bite them, so they could turn into Spiderman Oh. Wow. No. Don't try it hugs. A sex doll company in. Florida says it cannot keep up with demand since the pandemic began. Don't try to keep up with demand. Rose he's been putting. For Year. Dogs or just items note doll doll company specifically can't keep up. Hockey careful. Christina applegate's 1991 classic. Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead is game remained. Oh. No, it's yeah, applegate for sure man. She played. Hockey knows. This. Sounds a reasonable high. No, we're. Her, Oh God her. What's her last name though I name? The movie, No, I'm Eric Territory. Hit this kind of thing he can do. To you, Sue Ellen something because the 'cause. They kept calling her sue L.. L. In you have it? Don't tell me Your Hand Oh. Zoo Ellen Crandall. Just unbelievable! I've seen that movie two times. It's not impressive. It's pathetic tiger. King Stars Carol that Bitch Caroline Howard Baskin. Signed four hundred trading cards with their pictures on them and sold out immediately at ninety nine bucks a pop. Man I mean. Absolutely, not everyone else was capitalizing on them. Journey has a class. Palmer of the band back in the band. Oh my God Steve Perry. NOPE, Randy Jackson is back on Bass American. Idol's very own Randy Jackson. Why Randy Jackson sign your. Samurai Sword. Is I like to party. That's a different movie either way though he's back with journey. Long. Was He gone? thirty forty. Six. Derek is leading people into the country to see their significant other. If they can prove their relationship with a love, letter or other proof I don't know what the other is. But that's right now. That's your ticket back into. Denmark is usually with a love. Letter that you have somebody there. That's worth. It writes letters. Crazy Pants Yeah Doesn't make sense. You got an email. Carly Europe part of my team right at least publicly. I have to say that you are, but you bannon. I are a part of a high steam correct. We lose carlier not. Don't know sounds like it sounds like. She's like the wind great. Point. Maybe she's not answering because she you told her not to. First Rule of High Spot. Well good point. Like Either way. This is a this is going to be less than number one for all future cove high team members. Back in March Chagai named Jerry Brown all Jerry. Robbed a bank in Oklahoma. You are a mass, but the employees were pretty sure they could identify him because that's the bank he goes to. I were familiar with his muscular build, and his specific walk come on. So, he knows what tellers by he's been the captain at the Fire Department in Tulsa Oklahoma for almost two decades. He robbed another bank earlier. This month to robberies combine three hundred and twenty thousand dollars Bethany. They caught him. Early there. She's not there. You Rob a bank you go to. You have to case out a different band. You don't want where everybody at the banks like that's Jerry. Wearing a shocking example, norms, not going to rob the bar, cheers. Different bond the mask on cliff. Jerry This one makes very little sense to me. Just wants a little bit This is most of the story. This is not just the headline is a little bit more than that, but still because we're GONNA end on the two big time. Headlines that I think fascinating. the new trend in revenge. Rosie is a thing called spite porn. And I don't quite understand is, but you hire. An Adult Star To make a sexy video for your ex. But then as the video starts to steam up a little bit. The adult star starts, Berating your ex and telling them exactly why they suck. Oh, so, there's a dominatrix called. The alley knocks she. She saw charges ten dollars a minute A-. And let's. Just hear it. Here's what I don't get. An apparently by the way she's making some good cash doing this. WHO SENDS THEIR EX? Porn links like how you going to get your x to watch it by the way. Here's an adult video. I made for you. And then halfway through it, if the twists and they start berating you see, I can see it though because I don't care who I get along. Spices you hockey would get to the spite part. It'd be like Hey. Thanks for that. He didn't watch the whole thing I. Don't think I've ever watched. Through one time didn't get that I. The last two like both these a lot. Maybe you saw one of them I doubt you saw the other one, but the one that Kinda made headlines over the weekend. An alligator that some people believe was Hitler's Passau. This died at age eighty four. What I saw a gator that some people believed was Hitler's pet has died at age eighty real interesting statistics about the lineage of that alligator how it survived along aware it was and. Surviving fire, surviving like fires and bombs. Currently cyanide early Hitler. So I I don't it's honey? Verify that I I quite sure but. So. Story, save at least. Got It last been. It's what's a movie. It's better if you don't say. One of those morning. Oh captain, her. The clock. Yeah. That was. Everybody knows that. At least. Did. You guys ever see. God. What season was it? How much black Mir have you guys watched much all? The it all you. There's so many good episodes ago when the vulture thing or the. BANDRES NASA snatch. Why they do that? I. Forget I forget the animal was remember if it was a guinea pig. Or a turtle I forget, but there is a a a ruin it, but there's a twist ending to one of them. where a pet is a witness to a murder. Based on the technology is and it's basically that the eyes of that animal. Were recording. Everything could see the murder. How about this for a twist? This is black Mir with technology. A murder victim's last words in Argentina. At trial. Potentially could be heard. From a parrot. What apparent who heard a a murder victims? Last words in Argentina is going to give evidence on a trial. Wow! I don't know how they're going to figure out whether or not. That Parrott was trained to say whatever it's GonNa say or actually remembers the phrase of the murder victim. Spinal words scratch. Yeah, I was polly. was was. That if If we figured out investigators figured out that whatever the parents repeating were the last word right probably the last words of the victim. As a Canadian if that holds up of the pure cross examined. Ensure. How that works, but guess you that's fascinating. Thank. You guys got to get into black mayor. They miss once in a while, but. Eight times out of ten massive home runs. Terrifying and trippy. I gotta get off the billions Piccolo at the. Show got up. Fascinating, disgusting people. Talking about what's wrong with AKS. Things. Yeah well. He's a really good dad. Terrific. Hello Hello Carleen back. Daddy all right Carl Lewis start all over then an alligator. Was Hitler's pet died at the age of eighty four. My God you guys technology. I can't handle this need to come in studio I can't. Of next week headphones just that had one. Shut off. You come back, Carly. Hip Bronx. Carly this book. A lot of everybody knows that. We fill in the blank after this on up. Back this he'll jump to. Your morning, everybody. All tables and Steph! Astros. Into that. I. Rosy. Yes you're? Motorboat in this at all. Did Not, it was raining out. Oh. No yeah, that's the best time to do the best meant. Dila motorboat in this weekend with vol's mic. Oh, it's great. She didn't seem to mind. I wish. We did on the Pontoon. We absolutely did a great time. We were over in Danbury Barry Wisconsin. As beautiful area and super soldier by GNC story. I just all. I kept thinking about what I've read with yeah. And this is before the movie came out right. Yes. God Hey. Carl either. Yes, Boring okay. You. Not I'm not bored. I'm just you know. I don't have a motor boating story to share so that's too bad, just listening yeah! Well. Jason Show Buzz Game Yeah. Weird, how the the weather in the mood dictate whether not pontoon sounds, fun or like a wake board boat. Right most of us once we get to the ages that were at its pontoon time right I'll definitely I missed boarding all the time especially when it's eighty degrees. That's my youth, but again those days have gone. Long gone. Though Wake Board for sure all the tricks and stuff are gone. They've gone at twenty five. I hadn't wake boarded Mike five years, and all the muscle memory was gone I. could absolutely still go back and forth, but that's lame I'd rather just sit on the boat. Yeah. Good idea. Try To. Do a Tantrum and break my back. Yeah, we just we just laid on the boat and is awesome. You know people. In Yeah your client. clanking and drank and drank. Ain't no loss when you're drinking. Clause right, I don't know if that's true to be honest with. You looked it up. Is that right, uh-huh interesting. Are you guys ready to do some film blank? Wait another moment sneaking excited about it and I just wanted to make sure that ready for because she seemed. Loves this game. No, I'm. I'm here I'm just. Waiting for? All right good. It's time for fill in the blank, not enough. He know how this game works out, but I tell you something and you fill in. The blank that I leave blank. Best educated, just trying to figure out what line. See All you can do. You can beat any member of the power to money to and you probably will. who see now she's in. Now this is a long and drawn out one, but it's so fascinating I have read the whole thing. The male of this animal. Continuously headbutts the female of this animal in the bladder. Continue Urinate. Until. Until, she urinate she year AIDS and when she earned AIDS, he tastes it to determine whether or not she's ovulating and if she is the naked on. You said Mammal it is an animal. Can you tell me why? Don't you tell me what is again? The male headbutted got a female in the bladder. Yup Yup this one's right and they get it on. It's true. It's a true story. This is fact I got. The right answer houses all over this. How do you still human? Being grown say gross. Okay, question two. This president. In eighteen, sixty eight. Was the first to be impeached. Test your memory. memory say it again. This president in eighteen, sixty eight was the first president to be impeached. That's great. He's not playing. If you'd let them out. It's not. Day to day yeah. Yeah thank you for keeping track of that by the way rose. Correct the first thing. On this day, no the first president that was in lake well not the first, but I feel like I. Know All the impeach president interest, toy, three or four. It's three trusting. Interesting. Interesting next question please. It was on this date. In, white ear that the first legal casino in the eastern United, States Open in Atlantic, city New Jersey wow. WHAT YEAR THE FIRST LEGAL CASINO! In the United States in the East Ham, open on the state and what? Thank you so much noise feeling proud about it, too. That's a good one thanks. To figure out a decade interesting interesting. We gotTA move on Okay. Next question. Michael Jackson. And Lisa, Marie, Presley got married. On this date in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety four. How long were they married? JEEZ Jay You're looking at a specific amount of time. Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Pre Presley got married, and then they got divorced. How long later? And lastly. Lastly. In the nineteen nineteen, not only did. They have the best root beer. Also. On this in one, thousand, nine hundred. A wave. Of two point three million gallons of this. Destroyed Keeney Square and killed twenty one people. In one thousand, nine hundred. A wave of two point three million gallons of this. Destroyed Keen Square and killed twenty one people. What was that substance? What what? Well all right. I know yeah I got it. Yeah I. Don't feel good about any of. Even the impeach. About. Two, let's find out curly. You're going I at which animal headbutts the Lady Touchy Peas. A fraud. She's. Interesting. Firm I liked you. Lose he I, said a Moose most okay. Okay, interest saucy. Dwight. Would really take a rhino. Rhino. And a court! GO SKUNK SKUNK WO- okay. Skunk Rhino. Moose Frog. The correct answer is. A giraffe was a big Ed Giraffe. Think about. Oh. Really. Long neck. which president was the first to be impeached? Carly! I'm pretty I at first I thought Alan Jackson. I realized that. Andrew, Johnson. Which one do you go on with? Andrew Johnson. Okay, all right right, okay. Rose I think it was Combo Platter. I thought it was Andrew Jackson. Sauce. I wrote Taft. I wrote Andrew Jackson with a question mark as well because I couldn't remember if it was Johnson or is what's funny that we're all tripping going through this? Right Andrew Jackson, Russian market. I thought I was wrong. Because I was like Alan. Jackson's a singer, so changed it completely. It's funny that you. So enter Jonathan, Andrew, Jackson Taft and Andrew Jackson. And the correct answer is guess. Why now I think who was ulysses s grant helped. No correct answer is. Andrew Johnson Johnson John Gotti. All right. Was Jackson when trump was impeached I looked up. Some restart exactly. That's what I'm thinking I. Figured you guys had seen it just had forgotten, and you had it in your brain, so Andrew Injured John's other Donald Trump and ANCARLO. Your favorite. About Clinton Ohio Research. Three on the state in what year the first legal casino opened in the eastern us in Atlantic City where carly nineteen, fifteen, fifteen hundred. Rosie shut up. Miss that so much. Matic city, I thought it was I was like in the seventies. Seventy five. Five chaos nineteen, ten, nineteen, ten I'm I'm with you Rosie? I wrote down one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, four. What didn't Vegas kind of explode in the fifties? I did so Chris making it sound like order. Fifty East side of the unemployment was later. I thought it was sixty or seventy S I went nineteen, seventy four. You went nineteen, seventy five. For a question like this, we're going to give closest the point. And the closest is. Mark Rosen Nineteen, seventy eight. Th Rosie you get the point. Right. Point take it only truly. As well poised. Carly actually got it prayed point. Next question. How many. How long I should say was Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley married after being married on this date, carly. One year and two months when you're two months. Yeah sounds about right, but I think I said. I said eight months. I don't have any idea, but the once. Three. More months okay. I went eighteen months he month. And the correct answer, we pride point. To Corey because the correct answers twenty months. Two Zero, twenty months and going into the final question. Carla has a one nothing lead. There's no pride here. In, one thousand, nine, hundred a wave of this. Two point three million gallons of it destroy Keeney Square and Boston. Kill Twenty one people. What was it a wave of Carlee? Okay wait! More, I didn't hear the last part about Boston. I heard keeney squared. I thought Oh Hawaii. Oh, so I put lava of. Famous lava flow. No I would like to teach Roy. To Saltwater Water, okay well, we'll let you go. Okay, good! Rosie Hasley along the lines of like petroleum. Gasoline! Carly I did not hear him. Say Boston. The first time he just took for granted. You Guys Newark. My. Boss I might change my guests a little bit to change her. Mind, just makes less sense. I think right. Now not as much as love. It doesn't make sense. Also, doesn't make a ton of Boston, but that's alright sauce. I wrote Booz, Booz. All right I'll stick with my weird. I'm going milk milk. Deaths of. It's got to be something. You're right. It does just a bunch of boobs bursts. Go on. Sunday, Nineteen eighteen. Twenty one people died when two point three million gallons of. Molasses. Destroyed now were yes. People. It's slowly kills. I mean two point. Three million gallons is. Dang right man. Charlie with the big win. Exactly graduate. Yeah. Right. That'll do for the day. Stuff yeah. I? Love you guys think carly. I'll see you Friday. Shorts you'll Ruwais. All right. We're back tomorrow. It's a Marnie Wednesday. Me Out. That is Tuesday ended EPA. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Rose. You'll be back tomorrow. Wait sweet. Paul Allen I saw him in the building. He's here. He's next nine to noon. We're back five thirty to nine tomorrow Sudan. Listen back to today's power trip morning Joe Forty here. 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