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J.R. and Jeremy Steinke Pt. 2
"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised visit includes discussions violence and murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of Thirteen Kamran Barclay awoke to a knock at the front door. He staggered down the hallway and opened it a crack. Jeremy Stanky in his young girlfriend were standing outside looking anxious. Cam rubbed his temples and ushered the couple inside. He had just sold Jeremy. Some ecstasy and coca few hours earlier. What was he doing back already? Jeremy stepped into the dim. Light of CAM's apartment. He looked terrible his I was bloodied and bruised and his arm. Looked messed up to eat. Obviously been in a fight. Cam Pointed Jeremy and his girlfriend toward the couch. They think into it like they. Just come back from a war. The dark circles under their eyes and their awkward. Silence Unnerved Cam. Things only got worse when Jeremy turned him and finally spoke in a halting voice. He asked how. Do you clean blood off knives. I I'm leaning hops. And this is crimes of passion. Apar- cast original. The legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore how passionate relationships sometimes lead us to criminal activity out is a husband and wife become killer and victim or killer an co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results you can find episodes of crimes of passion and all other park has originals. Originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Destroyed crimes of passion for free on spotify just opened the APP and type crimes of passion in the search and far cast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram far cast in twitter at Parkas network last week? We heard how twenty-three-year-old Jeremy Stinky manipulated a twelve year old girl known as JR to enter into a sexual relationship. Jr soon became so obsessed with Jeremy that she asked him to kill her parents so they could run away together. This week. We'll talk about how a horrific night of violence ended with. Jeremy and Jay are fleeing from the police. We'll also talk about the subsequent investigation arrests and trials that made headlines across the country in the predawn hours of April twenty. Third Two thousand. Six Jeremy Spanky snuck into the home of Marc and Debra the parents of his twelve year old girlfriend. Jr he was dressed all in black including a black face mask and he was armed with a knife high on cocaine and ecstasy. He planned to kill Marc and Debra in cold blood mimicking the violence. He'd seen his favorite movie natural born killers after Jeremy. Broken through a basement window debra woke up and went downstairs to investigate the noise as soon as she entered the basement. Jeremy lunged at her. He grabbed Deborah by the shoulder and stabbed her in the heart with a knife. She collapsed to the floor. Mark Heard the commotion and Ran Downstairs to See Jeremy. Standing over his wife's body immediately mark went on the offensive. Someone had left a screwdriver on the stairs. Mark grabbed it and leaped toward Jeremy. He tried to stab Jeremy in the chest but Jeremy deflected the blow mark then grabbed Jeremy Space and tried to gouge. The younger man's is out with his thumbs. Jeremy flailed out stabbing mark repeatedly with his knife but mark perhaps fueled by adrenaline. Didn't loosen grip on Jeremy. He closed his hands around. Jeremy's throat and try to strangle him at some point. Jr started to run downstairs to intervene but she stopped mid descent paralyzed by fear. She later said I saw my mom at the bottom of the stairs lying there. I saw my dad and Jeremy Fighting. I heard them yelling things. I ran back upstairs. Jeremy continued stabbing at mark while he was being choked after. Two dozen cuts mark strength. Finally gave out. He fell to the ground and weekly asked why Germany was doing this. Jeremy replied. It's what your daughter wanted. They were the last words mark ever heard as he died from blood loss after making sure mark was dead. Jeremy went up the basement stairs to the main floor he found JR waiting for him and they embraced according to Jeremy. Jr told him that she'd be right back and then went up to her room when she didn't return right away. Jeremy followed her upstairs. According to Jeremy he found jr attempting to strangle her eight-year-old brother they had previously discussed killing the boy because according to Jr it would be cruel to leave him as an orphan. As Jeremy looked on the boy managed to wrench himself free of JR's grip. He ran out into the hallway. But someone either Jeremy or JR dragged him back to his bedroom. Jeremy later said that. Jr grabbed the knife from him and stabbed her little brother through the throat. He claimed he didn't touch the boy but JR contradicted this. She admitted that she held the knife and attempted to stab the boy but she couldn't go through with it instead. She held her brother down while Jeremy stabbed him in the neck. The boy must have struggled. Police leader found bloodstains everywhere on the carpet walls and furniture. As he was bleeding he tried to run from his attackers or possibly fight back against them. Police later discovered a toy. Lightsaber near the child's body. An officer said I suspect he grabbed it and try to use it with the blood all over it once he was dead. Jr and Jeremy left his small body in the bedroom. Jr went to the bathroom to wash off the knife which she left by the sink. She then packed up some clothes while Jeremy anxiously waited for her downstairs. Jeremy couldn't keep still. He paced in fidgeted. He didn't want to be in the house anymore. He was trembling. He had almost died. His girlfriend's dad almost killed him. It could have been him lying dead in the basement right now instead of the other way around. He shuddered at the close call out the window. It was still dark but the sun would be up soon. Somebody would see his truck. Maybe somebody had already seen it. Maybe the police were coming this very second. Jeremy took a breath trying to calm himself down. He was too shaken up to agitated too high for all of this. He glanced up the stairs but JR still wasn't coming down. He had to get out of there in a split second. He made a decision she was on her own. Jr was upstairs. Jeremy sprinted out of the house leaving a bloody handprint on the back door. He hurried outside to his truck and sped away back to his trailer. Jeremy had friends crashing at his place and when he got home they noticed he had a black eye and other bruises they recalled that he immediately jumped in the shower hardly even saying hello to them when JR realized Jeremy Left Her. She began to panic. She didn't want to be alone with the bodies of her parents and brother. She wasn't going to let Jeremy Leave her behind. She telephoned a taxi company. And ask them to send a cab to her house after making the phone call. She realized she didn't have any money. She ran to seven eleven several blocks away and used her mother's bank card to withdraw some cash. By the time she got back to our house. The cab driver was waiting for her. She slid into the taxi and gave the driver Jeremy's address. Jeremy was just getting out of the shower when Jr arrived without talking much. They gathered Jeremy's bloody clothes into a garbage bag. They walked to the apartment of Jeremy's drug dealer Cam who he visited a few hours. Before Cam hesitantly. Let them inside. Jeremy asked him if he had any ice for his I then he and Jr hung out at the apartment for a while. They looked exhausted and the dealer offered him his room so they could get some sleep. Jr in particular seemed drained. The dealer later said she was spaced. Out Wasn't all there. It was like she had seen a ghost in camps bedroom. Jeremy twelve-year-old Jr on top of him and they had sex jeremy once again committed statutory rape. The preteen later said he was trying to make me feel better and comfort me. I was scared before. I continue with. Jr Psychology please note that. I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but I have done a lot of research for this show. Jr's reliance on. Jeremy for comfort is not an uncommon dynamic between victims and abusers forensic psychologist Nadia Wager explained that child predators work to create an emotional bond with the child through becoming their best friend and making the child feels special in this way. The child becomes emotionally dependent on the perpetrator. The dependency is further. Fueled by isolating the child from others. Some predators may turn their victims against their loved ones in this case. Jeremy Literally murder. Jr's family cutting all her ties. Completely afterward she had no one else but him. Gr likely felt this dependence keenly in the aftermath of the murderers after resting at the dealer's apartment. She and Jeremy went to the liquor store to pick up. Some drinks then went on to a nearby house party. Reportedly they seem to be in good spirits. The murderers were now behind them. It's possible they were compartmentalizing. And the killings didn't seem real. Jr leader said. I was so out of my mind. I couldn't really process what had happened. And I was trying really hard not to think about it but while. Jr trying to forget the gruesome scene back at her house. Others were just discovering the horror that afternoon jr six year old neighbor dropped by our house to play with JR brother. When nobody answered the door. He looked into the basement window and saw bodies covered in blood. He raced home to tell his mother who phoned the police and one forty five pm for officers searched the house. They found a little black dog whining and guarding the bodies of Marc and Debra in the basement upstairs they found the body of. Jr's eight year old brother. They saw another bedroom clearly. Belonging to a teenage girl but JR was nowhere to be found. Police worried that she may have been kidnapped by intruders. Who had murdered her family. They shared her photograph with journalists and called on the media to spread the word about the missing teen back at the House Party. Jr had no idea. She was missing person. She and Jeremy even gloated to one of Jeremy's friends twenty two year old. James Wally about what they done at one point during the party. Jeremy Took James. Aside and said we killed my girlfriend's family last night I gutted them like a fish. Jr added my little brother gargled. James couldn't imagine they were really serious. He later remarked. Who would believe their best friend? Did something like that. Jeremy also took another friend aside. Nineteen year old. Casey Lancaster Jeremy knew that she had a crush on him. She was always eager to do him favors and that night. He took advantage of her generosity. He asked Casey to clean out his trunk for him. He told her he'd gotten messy and didn't want his mother to see. Casey was happy to help. She picked up some disposable wipes in cleaned the interior of his car. She later said she saw spots of blood but she assumed it was. Jeremy's she'd seen his black eye and guest he'd been bleeding after some kind of fight. She didn't know why Jeremy asked her to clean the truck later saying he didn't really give me any reason. After getting rid of the evidence she returned to the Party Jeremy. Jr stayed at the house until the evening. Witnesses saw them kissing laughing and whispering to each other on the couch as far as other partygoers could tell. They looked happy as the couple blew off. Steam police continue their search for Jr. But it soon became clear that the girl they were looking for wasn't the victim they believed her to be. She was their prime suspect up. Next Jeremy and JR runaway together. I'm really happy to tell you about an exceptional new park. Asked original called daily quote this two to three minute. Podcast is hosted by my good friend. Kate Leonard and is meant to inspire you and put you on the path to positively each day. It will share a quote that will motivate uplift and renew your outlook on life. You'll even get the specific context surrounding the quote so you can learn more about its origin and the meaning behind it and right. Now we're going to play you an episode so give it a listen and then follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning and welcome to daily quote. A podcast original. I'm Kate Leonard. Today's quote is from political activist. Nelson Mandela Mandela. Use the quote in his nineteen ninety-four Autobiography Long Walk to freedom. He said part of being optimistic is keeping one's head pointed toward the Sun one's feet moving forward Nelson Mandela had more reason to doubt humanity than anyone and yet he focused on the positive side of life even when he could not see it. Mandela uses the phrase head pointed toward the sun to describe his mindset. While in prison. All of us will experience dark periods in our lives. Whether that be sickness job loss or even a break-up in these times it feels like the positive side of life has been eclipsed we're so used to the status quo to those times when things are going well in our lives that any disruption of that can be truly shocking but if instead of focusing on the negative we looked to the positive future we can alter our behavior and create that future and this can look like any number of things keeping mentally and physically fit reconnecting with old friends diving into that project. We always said we were going to do. It is tempting to wallow in despair but even baby steps will lead us in the right direction. The Sun in Mandela's quote is the bright future that we will only arrive at. If we prepare today our is might have to adjust but the world is always waiting on the other side of dark times. Daily quote is a daily podcast. Follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine and let it inform the rest of your day. Daily quote is a podcast original. If you're listening on spotify you can share this with your friends on social by tapping the three dots in the top right corner of the episode. Page scrolling down to share and selecting your sharing option of choice. If you're looking for a morning jumpstart a midday pick me up or evening inspiration. You can hear a new episode three hundred and sixty five days a year. Follow daily quote free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story on the afternoon of April twenty third two thousand six twenty-three-year-old Germy Stinky and twelve year old. Jr at a House Party and medicine Hat Canada nearby. Police were discovering the bodies of Gr's family who Jeremy and JR had killed early that morning at first officials assumed jr might have been kidnapped. They set out to learn everything they could. About the missing preteen. They called Sandra Richard a guidance counselor at Jr school asking for the names of Jr's friends. They hold that she may have simply spent the night at a friend's house trying to provide as much information as she could. Sandra Richard Got Permission from the school to Search Jars Locker. She looked for a notebook or pat on which Jr could have written down friends phone numbers instead. She found a series of cartoons drawn by Jr. The doodles depicted a series of stick. Figures meant to represent. Jr and her family the picture show Jr pouring gasoline on her family and lighting them on fire. Sandra Richard was horrified. She began to suspect that. Jr had something to do with her family's debts back at the Party. Jeremy Jr didn't yet know that police had found their victims but word got back to them that Jr's picture was being shown on the news. They weren't sure what to do next but they knew they had to get out of town. Jeremy had two friends visiting from leader. Saskatchewan about two hours away. They needed a ride home anyway. So Jeremy Ask Casey Lancaster if she could drive them when she agreed. Jeremy and Jr told her that they wanted to come along to the fifteen year. Old Girlfriend of Jeremy's drug dealer also joined them as she was good friends with Casey. The Group of six departed Alberta around eight thirty PM. Casey leader claimed that she had no idea. Jeremy was trying to escape a police manhunt. She thought they were just bored and wanted to get away for a while at that. Same time medicine hat. Police were quickly tracing the triple homicide back to Jeremy End. Jr that night to friends of Jeremy's came forward with information. One was James. Wally who Jeremy had confessed to at the party. The other was Jeremy's former roommate. Jordan acfield the night before the killings Jeremy had tried to recruit him to be an accomplice he then threatened Jordan to keep quiet after he refused to join in by the end of the night. Police concluded that Jeremy Stinky and Jr had killed her parents but they still had to track the pair down. They didn't have to look hard to find clues as to where the couple had gone that night. Police were called to break up the Rowdy House party that Jeremy Jr had attended earlier an spoke to one of the attendees who mentioned the couple had been there more. Police soon arrived a question. The partygoers some of Jeremy's friends and acquaintances mentioned that he may have gone to lead her police and a bulletin to leader authorities asking them to be on the lookout for their murderer suspects. Meanwhile Jeremy and JR were speeding down the highway. They got to leader around eleven pm that night with their friends. They dropped one of the teens off at his house. Then the rest of the group lingered in the pickup Lee didn't know where to go next. They decided to park in a field off. A dirt. Road smokes marijuana and go to sleep in the truck the following morning. They needed gas so they drove to a service station. When Casey went into use the bathroom she spotted a newspaper reporting on the murders. She was shocked. She wasn't sure if g are already knew that her family was dead or if she'd have to break the news herself she bought the paper and return to the truck when she showed the article to Jeremy and JR seemed amused rather than broken up. Casey was stunned by their muted reaction. Jr didn't seem upset at all. Casey drove them to the parking lot of a nearby high school. The group said in the truck and page the newspaper. Casey's fifteen year. Old Friend told the others that her grandparents owned a cabin in Pine Lake Alberta. She suggested they go hideout there. They all decided to rest for a bit before making a decision. Jeremy and Jay are moved to the back of Casey's pickup and lay down in the truck bed under a blanket. They didn't realize that the truck had attracted the attention of police officer Aaron. You're he'd seen the police bulletin from medicine hat the night before and he was on the lookout for out of town teenagers when he spotted them. He called for backup. More officers soon arrived and surrounded the truck. Officer you'RE INC THE BLANKET OFF JEREMY AND JR JR wasn't wearing her pants but police wouldn't let her put them on the handcuff the group and put them in separate police cars as he was arrested. Jeremy told Casey tell my mom she can have my tv men that I love her at the police station officers locked. Jr and a cell. She was subdued almost in disbelief. At one point. She told an officer. I can't believe this is happening to me on Monday. April twenty fourth the evening after the murders Jeremy and Jr were charged with three counts of first degree murder. Jr became the youngest person in Canada's history to face multiple murder charges the following day Jr. Jeremy were held in separate interrogation rooms as police tried to elicit confessions from the pair. One Officer Sergeant Chris. Sheehan was able to develop a rapport with J. R. He started by chatting with her about her favorite bands until she felt comfortable enough to open up to him as she began talking about the night of the murders. He was startled. At how calm she appeared. She blamed Jeremy for the deaths. Saying I know he did it but I don't hate him for it. She told the officer that Jeremy had done it out of love for her. She seemed more concerned about his wellbeing than about her murdered family. Her continued devotion to Jeremy. Her partner in crime is likely another consequence of Jeremy's twisted predation on the girl Pepperdine University forensic and clinical psychologist. Dr Judy Ho explained after being entrenched together in something so serious that it escalates to the point of killing it binds a couple closer together and creates this weird intimacy between them even so reality began to set in as Jr told her story when she finally talked about the murders she began to sob. The sergeant encouraged her to write out an apology to her family and JR agreed with a felt tip marker Jr composed a letter asking for forgiveness. Writing I wish I could take everything back. I wish it hadn't happened. I wish you were here with me. Now she and also told her she could write letters to Jeremy. She dashed off a short note telling him how much she still loved him. When the Sargent came by to drop off the note Jeremy grabbed eagerly. Read it quickly. Once and then slower a second time savouring every word after a bleak day in jail. Jr's words felt like a lifeline. One positive thing. In a day of hopelessness. It was hard to grasp how everything had gone so wrong. So fast the plans he and jr had of escaping and living in Europe. In a castle together they had felt real only days ago. Jeremy could have envisioned that future so clearly in his head but now he realized he'd never really had a chance of getting their everything had spun out of Control. Jeremy felt like he was losing his mind. His thoughts wouldn't stop racing. He wondered what his friends thought of him. What his mother thought he used to want people to see him as a monster now he really was one but it didn't make him feel powerful. It only filled him with a terrible terrible panic on Wednesday morning. April twenty six sergeant. Sheehan Mount Jeremy in an interview room for questioning. Jeremy was agitated and fearful. He insisted that the killings were all. Jr's idea he had only gone along with them because it was what she wanted. He made constant excuses saying he wasn't in the right state of mind the night of the murders. He claimed he'd been too high on drugs to know what he was doing upon further questioning. Jeremy admitted to killing Marc and Debra though he said. Jr had killed her eight-year-old brother on her own. At the end of the interrogations. He bitterly told the sergeant. You got everything you need. I'm going away for life. Even started banging his head on the table saying he hated himself until Sergeants Sheehan brought him back to his cell. Three days had passed since the murders and police had already secured the arrests and confessions from both suspects but they had an yet gotten justice. It would be a year before. Jr Jeremy's trials would begin in the meantime the community at large had to reckon with the awful crime coming up Jeremy and JR make headlines. Across Canada drawing both critics and admirers as their trials. Approach now back to the story on April Twenty Fourth. Two thousand six twenty three year old Jeremy Stinky and twelve-year-old jr were arrested for the murders of Jairus parents and younger brother. The killings Horrified the community of Medicine Hat Canada and ignited a fierce debate about the young preteens culpability. Many felt sympathy for JR sociologist and author mark. Cotton was quoted in the Calgary Herald saying a young person in a case like this is usually caught up in a web of terror and is fearful for their life. Experts didn't hesitate to call her relationship with Jeremy Stinky abusive people wondered why the twelve year old was so vulnerable to the older man's influence. Some felt her parents must have been inattentive or careless. Others blamed Goth culture heavy metal music. Wild rumors circulated that the killings had been part of some kind of occult ritual. Carl Raschke a religious studies. Professor at the University of Denver. Told the Calgary Herald these to sound like true warriors for the dark side still others? Jr's fall to the emerging social media. Networks where she spent much of her time sociologist. John Manzo reasoned. This is an unexplored danger of the Internet that it gives people who would normally be isolated in their desires a social network to find like minded people but JR's Knicks opium page which remained active after her arrest revealed an online community disgusted by her actions. Users bombarded her with messages of condemnation. Many of the angriest comments came from other young teens. The slammed her forgiving golf culture. And WICCA A bad name in the wake of the murderers and the publicity surrounding them. The community turned against anyone who projected an alternative image. One dismayed girl handed. Leaflets out to reporters asking them to stop covering the story. She wrote perfectly well educated. Kind wonderful people are getting threatened and beaten because of stereotypes. One journalist criticized for his reporting on Jeremy Stinky's Goth background printed. Follow up a few days later writing. It is at this point that I am obliged to point out that the vast majority of Gods are neither vampires nor lichens but decent peaceful people who are more likely to harbor serene believes such as Buddhism if Jeremy and GR regretted the bad publicity they brought to their community. They didn't show it the letters. They exchanged to each other in jail suggested that they reveled and their notoriety in one note. Jr told Jeremy My lawyer tells me where legends she added. We've been in the papers every day. Apparently I haven't seen them but hopefully can Monday. Jr also asked in the letter whether he thought they'd someday get engaged. Jeremy wrote back the following day asking. Jr to marry him she replied. I would love to soon after that. Police officers at the jail stopped delivering letters between the two though they were frustrated at not being allowed to communicate with each other they could still rely on support from others. Many of Jeremy's friends in particular became his ardent defenders especially the younger girls. He lavished attention and affection on while in jail. Jeremy made regular phone calls to a fourteen year old girl he sometimes hung out with at the mall even locked up. He continued his pattern of grooming young teens for abuse. The girl had been infatuated with him before and her crush grew into an obsession in the wake of the murders and publicity anytime Jeremy called her. She recorded him so that she could hear his voice whenever she wanted she also waited for hours outside the jail and showed up to his court hearings. Apparently hoping to catch glimpses of him whenever she could. She was just one of several young teens. That turned out to support him. Locals were aghast by his budding following some took to anonymous Internet message boards to comment on the situation in one post a user wrote about how disturbing it was that Jeremy had amassed a fan club. The poster asked. Where are these girls parents? A student at medicine had high school also commented saying there are tons of little goths who love him. My buddies little sister is obsessed with him and she's only in Grade Eight criminologist Jack. Levin discussed a similar phenomenon wherein some adult women fall for serial killers. He said they love the celebrity status. They are the same women who Mike Correspond with a Rockstar or rap artist. Well Jeremy supporters were thrilled by the attention. The case brought to the quiet community. Most residents responded to his actions with anger and outrage. The turmoil made it all the more difficult for those affected by the murders to grieve on Saturday. April twenty ninth family and friends held a memorial service for JR family. Deborah's brother begged reporters for space and privacy. After the service Jeremy's mother was also thrust into the spotlight in the aftermath of the murders. Jacqueline may was an admitted addict. Who was diagnosed with terminal lung disease her entire adult life? She had bounced from one abusive relationship to another. She was already depressed. And in poor health prior to Jeremy's arrest the news that her son had committed murder devastated her she had thought that despite all of their misfortunes she and Jeremy had shared a close bond. She told reporters if we ever disagreed. He would always apologize after we were like that. Jacqueline may had also believed given Jeremy's history of being bullied and abused that he would never lash out at anyone else. It shook her to realize she didn't know her son as well as she thought after his arrest she reportedly created an alter like shrine to pray for Jeremy. She felt helpless insisting to reporters that her son wasn't himself in early. May of two thousand six both Jeremy and Jr submitted to psychiatric evaluations. The results were not made public but journalists later reported that. Gr was diagnosed with conduct disorder and oppositional defiant disorder. These disorders are often precursors to antisocial personality disorder and psychopathic behaviors. After reviewing the valuation one prosecutor revealed that Jr failed to show any remorse or take any responsibility for her crimes. She described the girl as seriously disturbed. These reports were included in the prosecution's evidence against Jr when her trial commenced in June of two thousand seven. Jr pleaded not guilty. Her lawyer argued that the hard evidence only implicated Jeremy but the prosecution pointed out that it didn't matter whether Jr had actually held the knife if she had assisted encouraged or incited Jeremy into killing her parents then her actions met the criteria for murder. The trial lasted for more than three weeks from June twelfth. Through July ninth finally. After twenty five days the jury returned a verdict. They reached decision after just four hours of deliberation. Jr was found guilty on all three counts of first degree murder. One of the jurors later said truth. Be told I did not feel sympathy for her. She got what she deserved. The fact of the matter is that three people are dead so she could have a relationship with a twenty three year old man. We tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but the evidence was just way too strong to prove anything but guilt a few months later on November eighth. Gr Return to court for sentencing. Under Canadian law. Only a minor over the age of fourteen could be tried and sentenced as an adult. Jr was tried as a juvenile. Which meant that? The judge wasn't permitted to give her a sentence of more than ten years in. Jr's case the judge sentenced her to four years in detention at a rehabilitation hospital followed by four and a half years of community supervision. This man she would be released from custody at the age of eighteen and complete her supervision at twenty two jaguars attorneys declined to appeal the ruling. Some members of the public objected to what they felt was a lenient decision. Sean Howard a spokesman for the Canadian Justice Foundation said I applaud the judge for giving her the maximum. But in a case like this. It's far short of what many in the community would say is a fair sentence even so most medicine hat residents were relieved to have some closure but it would only be temporary. The city's Mayor Norm Boucher commented. We're going to have to relive this next year with the next trial after. Jr Sentencing Jeremy Stinky was next to stand trial is proceedings were delayed considerably after his lawyer successfully argued to move the case out of medicine hat. The proceedings were switched to Calgary instead. The judge agreed that the case had received too much publicity to draw an impartial jury on November seventeenth. Two Thousand Eight twenty five year. Old Jeremy's case finally moved forward at the Calgary Courts Centre. Jeremy pleaded not guilty. He admitted more than once to killing. Jr's parents but continued to deny killing her little brother. His lawyer also hoped to prove that the crimes were sudden rather than premeditated attacks which would have warranted lesser charges of manslaughter rather than first degree murder. Despite his attorneys best efforts after a three week trial the jury found Jeremy Guilty unlike jr he was charged as an adult. His charges carried a mandatory life sentence with no possibility of parole for twenty five years standing in the courtroom. Jeremy felt a numbing com spread throughout his body as the jury read the verdict. He heard a voice in the gallery. Cry Out followed by sobbing and he realized it was his mother but he couldn't bring his is up to meet hers. He couldn't face anyone. It was all over the verdict meant. They blamed him for everything. It was what he'd expected but he held onto a glimmer of hope. All this time now that was gone and he just felt empty. Jeremy blinked and recalled his mother testifying on his behalf. She talked about his troubled past how he told her that he'd wished he'd never been born. He still wished that now more than ever everything was a waste. The world was a dark place and he only made it darker after the trial. Sergeant Chris Sheehan the first police officer to obtain confessions from Jeremy and JR remarked. Justice has been done eventually. The community moved on hearings were held every six months to review. Jr's progress when she was sixteen A. Judge relaxed her custody arrangement. Moving her out of the psychiatric hospital and into a group home in two thousand eleven she entered the final phase of her sentence which allowed her to reenter society. Although early in her treatment therapists worried that she was failing to take responsibility for her role in the killings she later showed what they believed to be significant and genuine remorse. The judge overseeing her case complimented her for her cooperation and good behavior throughout her treatment. Jar began studying at Mount. Royal University in Calgary shortly after her release in two thousand fifteen. A judge lifted a curfew imposed on twenty one year old. Jr The following year in May of two Thousand Sixteen. The remaining restrictions were lifted in her final hearing. The judge again praised her progress remarking. I think your parents would be rather proud of you. She has led up private life since her release. She has declined to reveal her location. Maybe to shield herself from public scrutiny but perhaps also to protect herself from the influence of people like Jeremy Jeremy Stinky now going by Jackson may remains imprisoned in Alberta Canada. Still paying the price for what he did. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion. We will be back Wednesday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of crimes of passion and all other park asked originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like crimes of passion for Free From Your Phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream crimes of passion on spotify. Just open the APP and type crimes of passion in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. When true love meets true crime crimes of passion was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original executive producers? Include Maxon Ron Cutler sound design by Trent Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of Crimes Of Passion was written by Christina. Tammy's with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon. I'm Laney hops.
NEW: J.R. and Jeremy Steinke Pt. 1
"Hi Listeners it's Laney first and foremost I'd like to take a moment to thank you for listening to podcast like you. We've had to make some major adjustments to adapt to these unprecedented times but with your loyalty and the Park Staff. We've been able to do so. We think you for your patience and with that I am pleased to announce that there will be no more interruptions to. You're listening experience due to Cova Nineteen. We're bringing you on new episodes today and for the foreseeable future from all of us. Here at podcast. We hope that you and your families are safe and healthy. Thank you again for your patience. We hope you enjoy these new episodes. Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of violence sexual assault and self harm that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen. Seventeen year old Jordan. Ashfield cracked open another beer and laid back on the couch and his friends trailer. He'd been crashing at Jeremy Stinky's place for the last few months. He knew he should get his own apartment but didn't see much reason to rush. Jeremy's mother wasn't home very often so there were no real grownups around a bother them. Germy always had beer in pot. Any shared them both freely. It was a sweet set up. The only problem. Was Jeremy Himself. It wasn't his love of dark music or his interest in supernatural phenomena Jordan. Like that stuff to the Jeremy always took things a little too far Jordan once saw him cut his hand and then happily lap up the blood like an animal. Still putting up with a few of Jeremy's quirks was better than paying rent. Jordan picked up the phone to call his buddies over but just before he dialed. He heard a voice on the line. He realized Jeremy was already talking to someone a girl. She was pleading with Jeremy asking him to kill her Jordan. Her Jeremy Reply. I'll think about it Jordan quickly. Young up the phone his stomach turned he probably had too much to drink. All of a sudden living with Jeremy didn't seem worth it Jordan frantically wondered how quickly he'd be able to move out and if he'd be able to leave without getting on Jeremy's bad side I I'm Laney hops. And this is crimes of passion podcast. Original the legal definition of crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion. Leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore how passionate relationships sometimes lead us to criminal activity out does a husband and wife become killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results. You can find episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcasts originals. For Free on spotify. Or wherever? You LISTEN TO PODCASTS. To stream crimes of passion for free on spotify just open the APP and type crimes of passion in the search bar at forecast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram? At podcast and twitter at Barca's network this week. We'll talk about Jeremy Stinky a troubled high school dropout from Alberta Canada in two thousand six twenty three year old Jeremy Seducing prayed on a rebellious twelve year old girl. Canadian law prohibits the media from publishing her name but many journalists referred to her by her initials J. R. J. R. thought. Jeremy was the love of her life when her parents forbade them from seeing each other. She and Jeremy began to plot way to be together no matter the consequences next week. We'll discuss the violent crime that destroy. Jr's family and stunned the community. We'll also talk about the investigation and high profile trial that followed Jeremy. Spanky had a difficult start to life raised in medicine Hat Canada. He grew up with alcoholic parents who were physically abusive after they divorced when he was seven. His mother Jacqueline may remarried twice. Jeremy later said his mother's second and third husbands were even more violent than biological father. The torment followed him everywhere. Even when he left the house at School Jeremy was regularly targeted by bullies. One former classmates said he had a hard time in school. I felt sorry for him. Another remembered he gave me the impression that only wanted was to fit in and tried hard to achieve it but it only meted worse for him before I continue with Jeremy Psychology. Please note. I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but I have done a lot of research for the show. Jeremy was diagnosed with depression around nineteen ninety six when he was thirteen years old. His mother said he wants trying to hang himself and constantly told her that he wished he was dead. He was also diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or adhd. Some experts have found a link between hyperactivity disorders and criminal behaviour. Dr Susan Smalley. A behavioral geneticist and researcher at the University of California. Los Angeles has said that those with Adhd are more likely to have other personality disorders such as conduct disorder which is linked to antisocial behavior and criminal activity though not all individuals with hyperactivity disorders are at risk smalley emphasize the importance of intervening and providing services to children when they are young but given his family's financial struggles and history of substance abuse. Jeremy didn't have that kind of support. Instead he was left consumed with anger darkness. He later said. I've had twisted thoughts in my head since I was thirteen. I'm sadistic like as he got older. Jeremy searched for solace and unhealthy places. He began drinking to the point of passing out abusing drugs and engaging in self injury as a teenager he also dropped out of high school in the Tenth Grade. Around nineteen ninety nine with little structure or support in this life. Jeremy looked for love and acceptance wherever he could find it sometimes. It came from adolescent girlfriends. As he got older Jeremy's acquaintances notice that he seemed to date younger and younger girls. There was even some speculation that he impregnated his seventeen year old girlfriend when he was twenty. Although this accusation was never proven Jeremy seemed to target younger. Teenage girls to boost his own self esteem. By the time he was in his early twenties. Many of his peers had moved away obtain jobs and gone to college. Jeremy still lived with his mother and had trouble finding steady work. He's been much of his time hanging out at the mall or in his room. Posting poetry online women his own age might have judged him for lacking ambition but teenage girls didn't seem to mind as the years went by Jeremy continued to be mired in self doubt and sadistic thoughts in two thousand five. The twenty two year old became drawn to goth culture and extreme metal music which he felt helped him express his emotions. He liked to dress. All in black accented with heavy black I make up and black mask that covered the lower half of his face. He spent many of his days with friends at the medicine hat mall. Among this crowd Jeremy was popular. They described him as sweet carrying loud and funny. It was here that he first got to know. Jr Unlike Jeremy who lived in a shabby mobile home near the airport. Jr was from a well kept residential neighborhood about fifteen minutes from the mall. She lived there with her parents. Marc and Debra and her eight-year-old brother they were considered to be a nice upstanding family. Their next door neighbor said I never heard a harsh word between the mother and father. The enjoyed spending time together taking motorbiking trips in playing backyard baseball in the summer. They were the typical family but for JR. That was the problem for much of her childhood. Jr was a quiet studious Catholic schoolgirl but like many preteens. She developed a defiant attitude towards authority in middle school. This shift in behavior coincided with rapid changes in her physical development. By the time she was eleven she looked much older than her actual age. Many guests are to be at least fifteen or sixteen jeers. Early Development may have had a negative impact on her psychological health. Dr Ellen Sulky an adolescent medicine specialist at the University of Michigan has said from a social standpoint. Girls who develop early tend to be treated like. They are older than they really are. Sometimes that means they might hang out with older kids to try to fit in but then also means they could be involved in things that they aren't really mature enough for that sense of not really belonging can lead to mood problems and acting out. Jr embraced her mature appearance. Claiming to be fifteen in social media profiles for her being a mature teenager meant breaking away from the conventional suburban world. She grew up in. She embraced alternative interests. That may have seen Blake counterculture to her parents and neighbors lake. Jeremy she got into hard rock and heavy metal music piercings tattoos and wicca in the summer of two thousand five as JR prepared to enter the seventh grade. She felt right at home with the Goth teens at the medicine hat mall. She spent most of her time there as JR and her friends left the Mall Food Court. They debated on what to do next. It felt like one of those boring summer days where nobody seemed to have any good ideas. Finally someone suggested the arcade and they made their way. They're jere was rummaging through her rockets for coins winner. Friend notched her and pointed out the handsome Blond Guy Walking over. Jr felt a little thrill when he came up to talk to them. They didn't really know each other but she'd seen him before. He was friends with one of the other girls in her group. He said his name was Jeremy even after he left. Jr couldn't stop thinking about him. He was good looking and funny. He had a lot of energy he was always making people laugh entertaining his friends. Everyone seems to love him. Jr could tell he was older but she didn't mind that her last boyfriend was sixteen. Guys her age were boring. Older guys understood her better. Jr felt elated. When Jeremy returned after a minute to join them at the arcade she didn't know much about him yet but she knew she wanted to be his friend. Jr Jeremy's relationship stayed platonic at first at the time he was seeing another woman. He even said they were engaged. Jr also had crushes on a few of the other guys in their circle of friends. She perhaps wasn't in a rush to date anyone but over the next few months Jaren. Jeremy kept running into each other on weekends. They both regularly attended punk concerts. At local venues. They grew closer in the fall and winter of two thousand and five meeting at the mall at concerts or chatting online on the social networking site neck. So Pia the also both had profiles on a goth website called Vampire freaks dot com as they got to know each other better. Jeremy thought they would make a good match. He liked that she was interested in Wicca. He boasted to his friends that he had met. An actual witch. Jeremy himself had an obsession with likened mythology sometimes telling people that he was a three hundred year old. Where Wolf and part of the Lichen Empire perhaps Jeremy felt bound to jr by some dark supernatural energy. Then in early two thousand six Jeremy's current relationship ended badly. He messaged a friend to say he wished he could kill his ex because she was too stubborn. He seemed to move on fairly quickly. He set his sights on Jr. Perhaps thinking that a vulnerable preteen might make them more compliant girlfriend. He could easily control Jeremy endeared himself to JR grooming her to fall for him according to FBI h Kenneth Lanning for many predators like Jeremy Children make ideal victims. They are naturally curious. Easily led by adults need lots of attention and affection and are seeking to establish independence from their parents. Jr wanted to be a grownup. And Jeremy made her feel like one showering her with attention in the process. Jay or later said he was really sweet and attentive. My really liked him but she knew her parents wouldn't understand and it wasn't long before. Jr's new infatuation drove a wedge between her and her family up next JR rebels as appearance tried to set boundaries high listeners. I am so thrilled to announce that the launch of our new podcast series supernatural with Ashley. Flowers has been an incredible success. We can't thank you enough for all of your support if you haven't had a chance to listen yet. You definitely need to head over to the supernatural with Ashley. Flowers feed and subscribe today every Wednesday. Ashley Flowers takes on a different crime or mystery were. The most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional trust me. You do not want to miss out on these fantastically weird stories. We're the deaths of two Brazilian men. A result of making contact with spirits on Mars. Get closer to the truth than ever before. Regarding the mystifying lead masks case did four friends have a highly unusual encounter during a camping trip in Maine sort through the out of this world circumstances surrounding the allegations incident. And who and what were responsible for the unexplained death of Australia's Somerton man dig deeper into the peculiar details? An poetry involved. In this case each week Ashley takes on the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences. It's already a podcast classic and I can't wait for you to check it out. Fellow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Freon spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story in February two thousand six twenty three year. Old Jeremy Stinky pursued a predatory relationship with a twelve year old girl with the initials J. R. Jeremy Leader said he didn't know Jr's age. She often described herself as older and social media profiles. He claimed to believe that she was around sixteen which still would have made her seven years younger than him but ultimately he didn't really seem to care how old she was she likewise didn't know. Jeremy's exact age but she knew he was older and that was part of his appeal. Jr considered herself mature beyond her years and she wanted her relationship to reflect that she hated being treated like the child. She was which made her home. Life intolerable her parents rules were not particularly unreasonable for a girl her age but Jay. I resented having any restrictions at all. She load when they imposed a curfew or criticized her clothing. Gr's parents had disapproved of her previous relationship with a sixteen year old boy. They'd be furious if they knew she was seeing an adult man and jr grew to hate them for it. It wasn't just her parents. Her younger brother bothered her to he was a goofy active eight year old boy label the class clown biased peers. He was funny to other kids but to jr itching to grow up. He was just irritating. One of their father's co workers who met the children at an open house leader stead. It seemed like she was almost embarrassed for her little brother. Jr may have even behaved violently toward the boy. Jeremy Leader said he wants saw her throttling him. Jr was so filled with anger towards her family that she told a school guidance. Counselor that she wanted to go into foster care she repeated. I hate it there. I hate it there. Jere envied Jeremy's adult life without supervision without a family constantly imposing on him. Sometimes Jeremy would pick her up and take her to the mobile home where he lived. They'd watch movies or listen to music the same kinds of activities. She did with her school friends. But with Jeremy it seemed like a reprieve from what she felt was an oppressive homelife as jr became increasingly infuriated with her parents. They in turn grew more frustrated with her. Both Marc and Debra frequently complained to friends about. Jr's troubling behavior. They thought it was nothing more than typical teenage rebellion but it was still creating constant tension at home one night. Jr's parents went out to dinner and instructed Jr to Babysit her eight-year-old brother instead Jr went out with friends. Her brother home alone when her parents found out. They grounded JR indefinitely. She was furious later. Saying I wanted to keep having fun disobeying while she was grounded. Jr was rarely permitted to leave the house. This made it difficult to see Jeremy. Our she took any opportunity she could to sneak out and meet with him for a quick rendezvous at the bus. Stop or Mall Food Court. She wasn't supposed to talk on the phone but she did so anyway. Waiting until her parents were asleep to call him. They spoke nearly every night. They crafted fantasies of running away together. The dreamed of traveling to Europe and living in a castle. Jr told Jeremy that she'd like to marry him. Jeremy and his twisted version of romance responded by gifting her a vial of his own blood to wear on a chain around her neck as their relationship went on. Jr schoolfriends grew concerned. Jeremy was too old for her. One friend was open about her disgust riding on one of her social media pages. I Hate Jeremy Slime Ball but JR refused to listen. She insisted that she was in love and their relationship was nobody else's business. Perhaps their parents and friends disapproval only made Jeremy more attractive the more others disparaged him the more he seemed like forbidden fruit. The concept of forbidden fruit is tied to the psychological theory of reactions which was pioneered by psychologists. Jack W bream in the nineteen sixties. This theory explains why people react negatively when someone tries to tell them what to do bream hypothesize that people have an innate need for freedom and they become resistant when their freedom is curtailed when a person is forbidden from engaging in a certain activity it makes activity even more desirable. Perhaps Marc and Debra understood this draconian. Parenting tactics didn't seem to work on. Jr the only meet her angrier instead. Her parents suggested she see a therapist in the late. Winter two thousand six. Jr agreed to attend several family. Counseling sessions her parents thought. The sessions had a positive effect as a reward for her improved attitude. They loosen some of their restrictions and told her she could attend a concert at the local community hall as long as they accompanied her on March seventeenth two thousand six Mark Deborah and Jr went to the show together. Jere met up with some of her school friends. There and in between sets they wandered outside for some fresh air standing in front of the venue. Jr ran into Jeremy. She said he picked me up and swung around. He was really happy. Broke away from her friends and follow Jeremy into an Alley. They begin kissing but as the music started up again. Her parents noticed that she had been gone too long. They went looking for her as circle the block calling out for her. Deborah stopped in front of the alley. She saw Gr. And Jeremy locked in an embrace. Deborah didn't recognize Jeremy But she knew he was no seventh grade boy. When Jeremy realized he'd been caught he bolted from the scene. Debra and Marc were furious to learn that she was secretly seeing a much older man they re grounded. Jr they banned her favorite. Music confiscated her makeup and beauty products and forbade her from using the phone or computer. She wasn't allowed to go to the mall or see her friends for at least a month. Jr LEADER SAID. I was under quarantine. It was like I was under house arrest. They took everything out of my room except my clothing and my bed. Jr paced around her room in a rage. It was humiliating to be yelled at in front of all of her friends to be treated like an infant. Who did her parents think they were? They were trying to break her to show her how powerful they were. It was like they didn't even love her anymore. They didn't care how she felt the only cared weather. Shield Baid their every command. They'd be better off with a robot. Instead of a daughter. Jere felt a burning hatred. She couldn't let them get away with it. She'd get back at them somehow. Sheets show them. They couldn't control her only then. Would she be free to make her own choices and be free to choose Jeremy? Although Jr's parents took away her access to the Internet she found an easy workaround instead of messaging. Jeremy at home she used computers at the library or Community Centre reach him on March Twentieth. Jr Send Jeremy a disturbing message. She wrote I hate them so I have this plan. It begins with me killing them and ends with me living with you. Jeremy responded well. I love your plan. Jeremy and JR's online exchanges grew more personal more intimate but they long to see each other in person in late March. Jr tried to seek out of the House to meet Jeremy but her parents caught her. She tried again a week later while her parents slept. She snuck into the basement and crawled out of a window with a broken screen. She left a pair of pajamas on the Front Porch to change into when she returned then she walked to a nearby bus. Stop to meet Jeremy. He picked her up and drove to his mobile home. His mother wasn't around so they were totally alone. He led twelve-year-old. Jr into his bedroom. They watched a movie together and snuggled in his bed according to Jr they then had sex. Which means Jeremy committed statutory rape? The current legal age of consent under Canadian law is sixteen years old prior to two thousand eight. The age of consent was fourteen at twelve years old. Jr was illegally capable of consent. Even if Jeremy believed she was older. Jr knew that it was illegal for Jeremy to have sex with her she later expressed worry that he would get into trouble for it but she felt obligated to have sex with him. She leader said I thought it would make him happy. I knew you wanted to have sex with me afterward. Jeremy drove her home. Gr quickly changed into the pajamas. She left outside when she entered the house. Her parents will go up but she told them she had had a nightmare and had just stepped outside for some fresh air. Jira could tell the didn't quite believe her but apparently they let it slide. She returned to bed now guarding a disturbing new secret. The covert nature of. Jr's relationship with Jeremy was part of the allure. It made their connection seem more intimate and exciting to her but it likely also contributed negatively to her mental and emotional wellbeing social psychologist. Daniel Wagner Julie Lane and Sarah. Dmitri explored secret relationships in their nineteen ninety four paper published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology Dr Wagner wrote. Secrecy appears to form a social bond of considerable strength. One that may be the basis for an individual's attraction to and preoccupation with a partner in May even be that prolonged secrecy in the face of prying or otherwise difficult audiences could yield agitated. Mental states bordering on obsession for Jr. Being with Jeremy was becoming an obsession. The thought of them running away together was a dream. She do anything to fulfil. Jeremy had successfully manipulated a child and prayed on her naievety. The only question was how far he'd go to prey on her. Further coming up Jeremy and JR plot a deadly scheme to run away together now back to the story in the spring of two thousand six twenty three year old Jeremy Stinky Ler twelve year old car into a sexual relationship and committed statutory rape according to Jr. Jeremy convinced her that they were in love. Jr wished she could leave her suburban home life behind to live with her older lover but she knew her parents would never let that happen according to Jr around. April she and Jeremy began talking frequently about killing her parents. Jere felt they had to die in order for her to escape them. She knew that if she ran away her parents would send the police after her. They wouldn't let her go without a fight at this point. Jared was grounded and wasn't allowed to talk to boys on the phone but she would regularly sneak into the basement after her parents went to bed. Too of whispered phone conversations with Jeremy. The two of them weren't subtle about their planning. Jr sometimes confided in her friends how much she hated her parents. And how she wished they were dead but her friends reacted with horror rather than the sympathy. She'd hoped for at one point while hanging out on campus. They overheard Jr talking with Jeremy on her phone. She was asking him to help her kill her parents. One friend later said I walked away because I didn't want to hear anything about that although they were frightened by Jr's threats. The girls didn't think to report her disturbing comments to an adult. In a paper released by the Department of Justice Office of Juvenile Justice and delinquency prevention others. David Finkel whore and Richard ormrod noted that juveniles are less likely than adults to report serious crimes to account for low reporting rates. The other cited adolescent concerns about personal autonomy and fears of being blamed or not taken seriously and JR's friends didn't want to take her seriously. The thought of murder was too much for the twelve year. Old Girls to handle. They hope that if they ignored the situation it would go away on its own for. Jr remained fixated on liberating herself from her parents rules without encouragement from her school. Friends jair leaned all the more heavily on Jeremy. He fueled her anger toward Marc and Debra. He said it wasn't fair that they locked her up. He seemed eager to help her out of her situation. The idea of killing them meet him both nervous and excited. Jeremy couldn't stay quiet about it. He often complained to his online friends about. Jr's parents and casually made threats against them in response to Jeremy's gripes. One friend replied tiller parents to shove it. Jeremy retorted. We were thinking more along the lines of killing them. He added the best part is it was her idea on another occasion. Jeremy was smoking marijuana with his friend. Grant Bolt as they got high. Jeremy asked how far would you go for love? He told grant that JR was pushing him to kill her parents. He worried that she'd break up with him if he failed to follow through he asked if grant would consider helping him as he didn't think he could do it by himself. He told grant I need someone I can trust. Are you in? Grant wasn't interested but he did give Jeremy a copy of one of their favorite movies. Oliver Stone's natural born killers in the film. Young lovers played by Woody Harrelson and Juliette Lewis. Go on a killing spree starting with the abusive parents of the female lead. The movie was based on the true story of eighteen year. Old Charles Stark weather and fourteen year old Carolyn fugate grant leader said. He didn't mean to encourage Jeremy by giving him the movie. Thought the film's violence would dissuade him instead at. Thrill Jeremy Thoughts of murder were still on his mind towards the end of April. Two Thousand Six on Saturday April twenty. Second Jeremy had a couple of friends visiting they smoked marijuana and drink together going through a case of beer and a bottle of vodka. Jeremy's mother kept in the freezer. His friends notice that Jeremy seemed to be brooding but he refused to open up about the reasons around nine pm that night. Jeremy left the trailer and drove to visit another friend Jordan. Acfield Jordan had crashed at Jeremy's mobile home until recently before moving across town. Jeremy arrived fine Jordan and his roommates watching a movie. He took Jordan aside and asked if he would help him kill. Jr's parents disturbed and not certain weather. Jeremy was joking Jordan responded that he didn't have it in him to kill anything. He asked Jeremy to leave. Jordan was extremely bothered by the encounter. He leader said it. Scared the crap out of me rejected by Jordan. Jeremy Angrily returned to the party at his trailer. He called Jordan back and threatened to kill him and everyone in his apartment if they went to the police. Jeremy's friend overheard the angry phone conversation and didn't know what to make of it but once Jeremy Hung up p seemed to calm down at around ten PM. He put on the movie natural born killers as watched. Jeremy became more and more animated. He made comments throughout the film comparing the onscreen action with his own plans in a scene. Where the characters drown someone in a fish tank Jeremy remarked. Gr doesn't have a fish tank. His friends began to get scared. They told him to stop talking like he was going to kill. Jr family he replied if you can talk her out of it. My won't do it. After the movie. His friends went to sleep on the living room couch. Jeremy retreated to the bedroom and spoke to Jr on the phone back at her place. Jr was filled with nervous energy. It was after midnight. But she was wide awake. Jared clutch the phone trying to keep her voice below. Whisper now would be the worst time to wake up her parents. She needed them asleep and vulnerable on the phone. Jeremy sounded even more nervous than she felt. He asked her if she was sure she wanted to do this. Jr was sure she didn't know why he even had to ask. He had to understand that there was only one path forward for the two of them. If they weren't in this together then the world would tear them apart. She couldn't stand the thought of that. She loved him too much. The pain of losing him would crush her perhaps kill her and there was only one way to avoid it in meant losing her family but jr knew she would gain so much more. She smiled in anticipation when Jeremy told her he was on the way after. Jr spoke to Jeremy on the phone. She lingered in her bedroom anticipating his arrival around two. Am JEREMY LEFT. His friends asleep at his place and went to visit another acquaintance. Who had more drugs? Since he wasn't able to convince an accomplice to join him on his plans he needed something to give him extra courage. The dealer and his girlfriend recalled that Jeremy did several lines of cocaine they perhaps nor did more than six lines each they then offer Jeremy some ecstasy and more alcohol. Jeremy Stayed at the dealer's apartment for about an hour then drove to a convenience store to buy gum to cover up the smell of smoke which jr didn't like after this purchase. He snorted a two more lines of cocaine in his truck. He leader said. I was off like a rocket finally just before dawn Jeremy drove to. Jr's House. He crapped on her lawn and stood under her bedroom window. Throwing a pinecone at the house to get her attention. Jr appeared Bein. The glass she pointed below her. Jeremy could see the basement window with a broken screen which she previously used to sneak out of the house. This time. Jeremy used it to sneak in once in the basement. He pulled a knife from the pocket of his sweatshirt. It was time for Jeremy. Stein key to prove his love Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion. We will be back Wednesday with part two up Jeremy Stinky and JR story. We'll talk about the gruesome murders of April twenty. Third Two thousand six and the perpetrators attempt to go on the run. You can find more episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music? Vanilla spotify is it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like crimes of passion for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream crimes of passion on spotify. Just open the APP type crimes of passion in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. When true love meets true crime crimes of passion was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original executive producers include Maxon Ron Cutler? Sound design by Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro garlic madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of Crimes Of Passion was written by Christina. Tammy's with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon. I'm Leigh Hobbs. Hi Listeners. Remember to check out podcasts. Entertaining new original series supernatural with Ashley Flowers every Wednesday take a deep dive into the strange and surreal to find the truth behind some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences search for supernatural with Ashley Flowers in the spotify APP in. Listen free today.
A Message from Jeremy on Giving Tuesday
"Hey everyone it's Jeremy Scahill. I am sitting here in the offices of the intercept in New York City and today is giving Tuesday. I want to just take a brief moment of your time to ask you for your support to keep this program program going. We bring you voices analysis from the cutting edge of resistance. Movements across the world have universal. Healthcare is Deka modify. It's this huge industry. I wish that a fraction of this country had any sort of historical memory. The mechanisms there to protect whistleblowers. I really are there to identify the whistle blowers and open them up to criticism. What we try to do on this program is not just analyze the news as it unfolds but would ask how we got to where we are today if you do not transform the way the capitalism functions if you don't transform the way that American imperialism functions you can't really have any real conception of justice. The media is essential to the functioning of a democratic society. The media releasing information is is about people's right to know the question is not how these whistleblowers can protect themselves. The question is how do we protect them. In order to sustain this work we need to rely on our readers our listeners our viewers if you appreciate the intercept if you value this program intercepted that arrives in your machine. Every Wednesday we ask you to go to the intercept dot com slash support. We have a brand new intercepted t shirt shirts that can be yours for a contribution of ten dollars a month. You can go for twenty dollars a month and get an intercepted hoodie. Yes we still have some in stock. We hope everyone what is having a safe holiday season and we thank you for supporting us on this giving Tuesday go to intercept dot com slash support. That's the intercept dot com slash support. I'll see you tomorrow tomorrow. A regular program.
The Sporting Life: 2018 in Review
"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Now, the voice you're hearing is not that of Jeremy chef is that of Troy Farkas. I'm more of the co producers of sporting life along with Dan's ex chessy, you're the better with oh, we affectionately know him as Danzi around these parties, the true mastermind behind the sporting life somewhat effect. Jeremy Chiappa joining me we are in studio in Bristol, Connecticut. Jeremy thanks for joining us today. Troy, thank you for having me on high show. You're welcome. And Jeremy before we dive into the year that was twenty eight teen. That's where we're gonna talk about today the sporting life had a great year in two thousand eighteen but when I wanna start off with his so I got ESPN in August of twenty seventeen. Okay. And I started working on the show almost immediately and twenty eight teams my first full year, and you already had Danzi hounding you all the time. Then they threw me into the fold for some reason. Right. And then you had to deal with both of us hounding you twenty four seven texting. E-mailing falling at all our day. Are you gonna keep us around twenty nineteen? Well, of course, it's not my call. You know, if it were my call we'd have to have some discussions, but since especially in radio, I mean, the supplies as well in television. But especially in radio, nobody really cares. What I think it's it's kind of a moot point. I think I think you know, maybe they kinda care little incidentally. But you guys have done a great job. It's not easy book and everybody every week for the show making the show as as good as it can be. And I know that I am a very difficult talent to work got a high maintenance reputation, and you guys have certainly ruled with the punches one of my favorite moments from twenty teen. Jeremy was as you said, it is difficult to book guests, you know, it's. Secret that this is not a live show on Sunday mornings. We prerecord all of us. You know, it used to be live in the old debt. Did back back in the goal born. I think we actually I started doing this show you're born in what ninety seven ninety five. All right. So you were you had been born. But you weren't you weren't yet even in like cog nursery school. Yet. It was live back then I had to get up on. I think it was Sunday mornings and do the show did it with my dad for a number of years, then they cancelled it then they brought it back. We're about to celebrate our tenth anniversary back on the air. In fact, this September. So I hope you guys are already formulated. So we have big plans for Germany. We have big swimming. So Jeremy I want to as we look back in two thousand eighteen I kind of want to start off with where we ended twenty teen. And that was with one of the biggest accomplishments of of your journalistic career, which was forty to one hundred thirty the newest thirty for thirty came out in the beginning December, and we actually aired a special radio version of it on the sporting life. That was our last up soda of the year me, and Dan's you, had a blast working on it. And we had to cut it down and do some rewriting, and it was a bunch of fun, and you know, as someone who loves boxing. I know this was a passion project for you. That's what you said. Now that you've actually had a few weeks to let that sink in. That all the endless promotion is over unless the storytelling now that you and Ben house or no longer cooped up in a room. Ben Houser, your co-producer, barely speak to each other. Now they've had the time to look back on. I'm going to ask us most Jeremy Schaap way because this is always the first question. What thoughts are uppermost in your mind when he looked back on that experience? You know, it was a lot of fun. It was a story as you said Troy that I wanted to tell for longtime. I love the Buster Douglas story. I love what he had Chievo in Tokyo on February eleventh nineteen ninety I feel I'm getting rolling again. You know, the way that I had to talk about it so often as we were promoting it. And look I I mean, we talked about this on the show we had been Hauser my co-director on. We had my shallows who is our producer and editor. And they were the guys in the room every day putting it together. Together, we kind of, you know, big picture knew what we wanted it to be. And one of the great pleasures of it was any kind of project you work on. You know, there's certain hopes you have for it at the beginning of the process, and whether you're writing a book or you're doing a documentary or you're doing a long form piece, whatever it may be you have sort of hopes for what you want to achieve and what you want it to look like in sound like in feel like the impact is going to have on on the viewer listener. And this was one of those rare occasions where I really felt like it was everything that I wanted to be. It was the was the story that I hope that we would be able to tell and to to extract from it, the the emotion, and the feeling everything that I knew. Was there? But that's different from putting it all together. And presenting it in some coherence and compelling way. I'm really glad that we aired that on this show because boxing, as you know is not one of the traditional sports. It's not one that he has PIN covers as much as it does other sports specially on ESPN radio. And that's something that I really take great pride. And for our show is that we kinda celebrate those sports that often go unnoticed by by our airwaves, you know, just this year in two thousand eighteen we talked about the world chess championships. Yes, we did. We talked about baseball and the dead ball era. Yep. We World Series specific about competitive eating Bellavia my favorites. That's one of the few sports. We talk about that. I could actually complete partaking. I could Jeremy I could I do some damn as our instant Instagram audience knows you are a prolific chef nowadays. I try I try, you know, and I've looked they're always going to be some hits. They're going to be some MRs. But yes on Instagram. I try to show off. You know what I'm working on the smoker? What I'm working on terms of roasts? Sometimes there's even some baking in the process, although got a lot of work to do in that regard. I enjoy cooking and joy cooking. And that could be a component for the show in twenty nine t we haven't really thought about having great chefs on the radio talking about sports, we've had one great chef on the show over the years. Dan. I don't think Dan was on the show yet. This was about five or six years ago. We did a segment with Daniel Hume who some people consider. Now, the best chef in the world. He runs eleven Madison park in New York, which has been rated the number one restaurant the world, and he was a professional athlete in Switzerland. And we had a segment with them a few years ago bringing back Dan, I think we have to do that twenty nineteen. Let's Mark it down. So as you said that is like a big component of this show where we talk about those sports like competitive eating that going noticed. Why is it so important for show? Hours to do that. To celebrate those that go on celebrates. I, you know, I mean, I could tell you Troy that it's because it gets ignored by, you know, most of the other shows on the network that these topics that aren't addressed by the mainstream sports media the extent that we do and that this is a kind of corrective for all that. But it's really just because we like talking about it. I mean, you know, I mean, that's one of the great things about the show from my perspective. Is it we get a chance to talk to the people that we like to talk to we get a chance to talk about the things that interest us and the show has not been how should I put it is not been focused grouped to death or life worth anything else? Really? I mean, you know, sometimes people will ask me. Oh, I'd really like to be on your radio show. What do I have to do to get on the show to promote something or talking about something? I say ask I I'm not sure that we don't have barriers. Ever said note, anybody so you know, if you really interested on appearing on this morning, if you ask I'd say, there's a high likelihood a very good chance that you'll be on the show. I like to think that I've heard the Dan lebatardshow described as counter, cultural, I like to think that the sporting life could be described in that way. Because now this is an twenty nineteen I'm working on on Super Bowl. We don't have shown SuperBowl Sunday but on Saturday so on Super Bowl weekend. I'm working on not booking talk about the Super Bowl. What about the puppy bowl? Oh, that would be great. That's a great idea. I am a big fan of the people. I haven't watched it in a number of years because usually I'm traveling during the Super Bowl. But when I have watched I well, obviously now it's a cultural phenomenon, but it would be great to talk puppy bowl. I mean, and it's it's something that I do have some experience watching which differentiates it from an. NFL stuff. It's no kitten ball, Dante's cat guy. He's the cat guy is their cattle kitten. You're like the Robert de Niro character. I'm not sure if. Getting getting we'll stick to the just a poor man's derivative. You know, that's that's that's totally riveted and unoriginal. I mean once you have a puppy bowl to stop puppy bowl. That's how I feel. I love the puppy bowl. I did too. I did too. And Jeremy another big thing that we didn't twenty teen was and this is just a big component of the show always been twentieth. Since I noticed was you love having on the people that really mean something to you. We've had Nancy Lieberman on Jerry Kramer on. Andrea Kremer on Chris Clarry people that you have worked with in the past Joe drape that one was especially exciting for me because he was talking about horse racing during justifies run Joe on many times. Yes. Well, what does it mean to you that we get to have those kinds of people? You know, it's it's great. I mean, it really is. In our daily lives when we get busy. And we've got so much going on whatever it is that I'm the busiest guy in the world. Whether it's not like, you're hard guy tracked down, you know, what I mean? I mean, you know, you don't get to catch up with people. Who mean something important you as often as you'd like to and here on the show? I get to interview them, and that's a way of catching up, whether it is, you know, the people you just mentioned, or it's, you know, colleagues like Tom Rinaldi or or Chris Connelly or, you know, whoever we happen to have on the show. It's fun. You know, I grew up in this business. I'm forty nine years old now my whole life. I've been exposed this business. I've been around, athletes and sports, reporters and sports broadcasters. And so, you know, it's fun for me to have a chance to talk to people. I've known for a long time that I've worked with many of them are friends of my father's I this shows mentioned earlier with my father for some time, and he's been gone for longtime. He died seventeen years ago. So tonight's way to connect to with my childhood and with people I've had these long standing relationships with. We do have so many guests on through Shami throughout the year. It's fifty two weeks sporting like never stops. Jeremy? That's right. And I don't think I took any shows off this year. No, you did not. However, no what I do want to say is to our audience. Just a pew back. Colonel little bit. It can be tough to get everyone on the same page in terms of scheduling. Whereas we have to track down the guests. We have tracked down, Jeremy which is a task ask. Jeremy there was one time. There are several times this year where Dan and I were feeling good about the schedule. You know? We'll we'll have the schedule on a Monday, and okay, I'm feeling good. All right. This is gonna go smoothly will send you the schedule. And you'd be like x y and z don't work og-. Let's do Thursday. Here's my our time that we have that happened a few times. And there's also another time where it was on Monday. We're all set for the week. Can't do interviews this week. I'm in Santa Arini. Yes. And that Dan, and I totally clueless e really knowing. A heads up a little bit would work twenty nineteen. I'm going to rededicate myself to keeping you guys abreast of my schedule. I know that I can be lacking in that regard. If in very few others, and I'm going to make I'm going to going to make you a promise. Now, Troy that I will try to how do you can't you guys get access to my like, Microsoft, scheduling know, your schedule half, the that's true. So that's my that's that's not my fault necessarily. But you know, it works out eventually sometimes we have to adjust concert that not knowing your own schedule is not your fault, not my fault because things happen. Suddenly, that's the point. I am in the news business. And sometimes there's news sometimes, you know, in a moment's notice. There's a sports emergency. I gotta go covers sports emerge. I can't think about I can't remember the last time that happened. But it's a possible. Ability. It's something that could conceivably theoretically somewhat plausibly. Okay. So so I have a scenario for you say, you've you've got no this is gonna be a grilling. You got your brisket, dry rubbed it. Yes. It's it's ready in the smoker. You know, it's going in for eight hours, you're about five hours, and then you have one of these alleged sports emergencies. Right. How do you handle the situation? Well, that's a very good question. And if it's already in the smoker, it's been there for five hours yet three hours to go. I mean, the green egg is pretty much self contained. You can you can let it go. I mean, you know, if it's a kind of sports emergency that can be dealt with the matter of two or three hours that I'm not that concerned because the green egg this is not commercially. From those guys anything like that the green egg really does have incredible temperature maintenance capabilities. It maintains a steady temperature. So I wouldn't be that worried. I think. There's a high likelihood there's very good likelihood that the meat will turn out at a bowl. But, but it's something you have to consider, you know, I think Dan Patrick has a partnership with traeger. They do they do smokers too. But I'm a big green egg. Good to now. It's I am also a big advocate of the smoker as well. So you've been formed me that coriander is the key Korean is just a great, spike. It's a great spice. Sometimes it's underutilized and I was trying to make homemade pastrami last week at his of coriander paprika, pepper salt. And really the rub was terrific. I mean, you almost can't go wrong with coriander and a recommended for a lot of things in again. I don't have any. We will ask these questions about dryer ups to the chefs that we have on twenty nineteen. Yes, I hope so we should do chef segment. I think definitely well there is an appetite so to speak out there for more, sports and food talk. And I don't think there's anybody on this network with all due respect better. Qualified to do it damn aren't that down? We're doing that twenty nineteen. Jeremy, I, you know, we both love working with you everyone. Here loves working into you. We don't even ego anymore. So we are here to just beat you down. Oh, no. This is the last last beating down I want to do here. So we did another really cool thing this year. We did a get to know ESPN audio series that lasted seventy five percent of the year. I know it feels like forever ago four years, but we had on every week day ESPN radio host and a few weekend hosts and several of our big ticket podcast hosts and one of those hosts we had on was Katie Nolan, and this was one of the funniest moments of the play. They're really quick reaction. I don't think that's an acceptable response king and host of the of the sports podcast. So her pockets is called sports and the question, Mark. So you try to match your inflection. I try horribly. Wrong. I don't think so those perfect. I I want to give you a chance to redeem yourself for twenty nineteen. So you do not embarrass yourself with Katie words, the sports podcast is that how say those a little better. Well, it kind of caught me by surprise probably look in my notes, I didn't notice until that very second. When it came out of my mouth that you needed to come up at the end of sports because there was a question, Mark. But if I had had an opportunity to prepare properly the interview, I would have known that. I should have said the sports podcast does a little better. I'll take on. What would be give me an example of what would be perfect. I don't want better. I want Katie Nolan hosted the sports, but cast that wasn't a question. Mark. It all sports, you gotta raise up the inflection to do it again sports. No. They're not. Sound like a question that you sound like sports. Perfect it. It's a question. Mark question. Mark demands sports. I come from. I'm Ron burgundy come from journalistic family. Jeremy my dinner table conversations growing up. We're Spence around grammar. I understand HAMAs questions that I have a full understanding of the question, Mark. But do you have understanding if the inflection and the emphasis that a question more demands in the spoken word because that's the discussion. We're having to differ. I think I'm right point. Always right. Oh that Bruce our all right, Dan. I don't need that. Jeremy? So another thing that I really love about this show is that I noticed this in twenty seventeen I got here is that the show will often reflect what is going on in the sports world, of course. But also in a broader context in society. So when I first got here there was a lot of. Of division within America. And there still is of course, but allied vision, especially at that time, you had LeBron James and Steph curry trading barbs in the media and social media with the president, and there's also the whole anthem protests and a lot of things going on. And we covered that extensively on the show and in twenty eighteen during the anthem Troy come on what I say is that anthem protests. Oh, sorry. I didn't know what the the correct ESPN way to say it was but in twenty years. But they weren't protesting the anthem therefore, it's not an anthem protest. And again, the language is kind of plastic there can be taken to mean several different things, Dan, thanks for chiming in. Thanks, dan. In twenty eighteen. There was a there was another movement that that was huge. And that was the metoo movement that no, right? The end of twenty seventeen over to twenty eighteen and that was something that we covered a lot extensively on the show throughout the year. We had Brenda trace yawn to talk about her story of of abuse in nineteen ninety eight as when she was at Oregon state, we covered extensively Larry Nassar scandal. We ran an outstanding e sixty OT L piece on the show. We spoke to just a few weeks ago to producers for Michigan radio about their NPR podcast series called believed which detailed about how NASA was able to get away with what he did for so long, and why was it so important for our show the sporting life to address these issues, these these very important issues, which often go unnoticed on our normal radio shows people astray away from it. Whereas we won't take a lot of pride in that. And I know you to why was important for us to allow those people on to talk about these issues. Well, that's what our shows about. Right. I mean, you know, ESPN radio. As you said for the most part deals with the games on the field. Now, we have great talk show host dealing with all kinds of issues, and and they do address serious issues. This is one of those shows where it's not about the game that was played last night or the game necessarily that's being played tomorrow for the most part of the we do talk about sports field. So the issues around sports the societal issues, the cultural issues, even the political issues when they intersect with the world of sports, it's our job to cover that stuff. And that's really I think our mandate here on the sporting life. You know, we talked to the authors of a lot of books. We talked to reporters who are doing important work in the space occupied by sports, and culture and societal trends. And those are those are tough conversations. That's you know, it's not it's not the kind of thing that is your typical fodder for sports talk radio, obviously. But. We have a different we have different mandate on the show. We have a different way of approaching things. And that's that's what we're gonna. We're going to keep doing. That's that's our job. I fully agree with you, Jeremy. And there's one more thing that I want. No, not look back in two thousand eighteen but look forward to twenty nine hundred something I've always wanted ask us so much about sporting life. But I heard you say few weeks ago to Ben Houser that people ask all the time why you like boxing so much, and it's not necessarily that you like the sport of boxing that you like, boxers you like the the stories because they all have these unique back stories, then that that got me thinking about, you know, my own fandom, and we kinda share similar view of phantom. Whereas we're not so concerned about final scores and statistics were more concerned about the moments in sports, and I know for me seeing justify when a triple crown because horseshoe I'm from upstate New York, which is a huge on horse racing. Stir took racetrack. That was awesome for me. And then I'm a big tennis fan as well seeing Raphael. Nadal win the French Open for the twelfth time in two thousand eighteen I think it was his twelfth and seeing him hold that trophy. And we've holding that trophy like it was his first time like those are the moments that get me. And you've admitted yourself that you're not as big into the games anymore as you want us to be. So I'm curious and in twenty nineteen what is it that will keep you coming back to to loving sports the same sports that you came to love as a child. I mean, sports sports. I enjoy them a lot of people enjoy them because of competition, and because of certain loyalties we have two teams and also because of just the the tremendous physical nature of sports and and watching athletes do mazing things athletically with their bodies with their skills. I mean, there's all of that. That. And it's also, you know, for me, it's it's always been a place where we could tell stories stories about athletes human interest stories societal stories. Social Justice stories stories that bring you to other parts of the world. And I mean, that's that's the great thing about sports reporting. When you're a sports reporter, you're really a people reporter, you are reporting on the human condition. You know, it's different from other kinds of reporting to large extent fear political reporter, you know, you're covering, you know, kind of balls and strikes politics lot of it and news, and and it's important. But you know, it's not about the lives in the motivations the same extent of the people that you're covering, you know, if you're a business reporter, you know, you're not delving into the lives of the CEO's, you know, in the same way or the workers or anything like that, you know in sports reporting. It's. It's always been this. We're telling stories about people telling stories about their struggles were talking and sports has often been at not it isn't always, of course, it's about a celebration of the human spirit, a celebration of the human capacity to to be your best to to ask the most out of yourself. And we have so many opportunities here. DSP n to tell stories that inspire that motivate that move that inform that enrage and in that whole world is kind of our wasters sports reporters, and what we get to do here in the sporting life. Those stories we tell the people we need we introduce our audience to. That's what makes it rewarding the show is very warrants work on Jeremy thank you for having me and Dan to work on it in two thousand eighteen I I don't allow anything. It is a pleasure to. To to work with you guys on a daily basis. I think we have a lot of same sensibilities about you know, what what the show is about what it should be about. We have fun. We could be serious and you guys do tremendous job, especially dealing with all my nonsense the allow us back in twenty nineteen. I said I don't allow anything. But I hope you're back. All right. That's German shop, he's hosting sporting life. I'm ROY Farkas one of the producers along with Dan's extra Ascii. Jeremy thanks for having joined us, Troy, thank you for having me on my show.
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"She's asked a lot. How do you deal with your husband talking about another woman you know? Of course I watched not here anymore but listen. Here's the deal I've been so touched by the story and I know it's not about me or not about Melissa. Were about you. It's about Jesus. I'm not the hopeless. You know place in ideas for for a while. I felt kind of hopeless. Everything happened of course. Guide was so faithful in the midst of all that. But now you just go. Yeah that that was hard. That was difficult. You're in Maine. But God has healed that that open wound and now. There's a scar remaining. I think that says the reminder that it's not the seething pain is not the wounds that seeping out still a Haski Obama and his faithfulness. You know what's up everybody? Welcome back the couple things Sean. Andrew podcast all about couples and the things they go through today. We sit down with. Grammy nominated singer. Songwriter Jeremy Camp and his wife. Addie camp those Rosso singer-songwriter that's right They have had a massive two thousand and twenty. They came out with the movie. Camera with two books One of them is about their marriage. Actually it's called in unison. And they're really really cool couple. They've been married sixteen years but the movie that came out with what's called. I believe it's all about Jeremy. Camp and his first wife who he ultimately ended up losing bus- right and so German addy Sharon awesome perspective. Release I had to bring this to you. They also talk about what it's like to raise three kids. Yes which Addie camp has some incredible thoughts and perspectives on so many different things. Her and I are going to be great friends. You'll also notice. She has quite the accident which I love because she's South Africa. So if you WANNA find out more about Jeremy and Addie as well as their new book to just came out with called in unison. You can find that in the show notes or description down below and before we get started. Don't forget to subscribe to the show in rated on whatever platform you're listening on. We really appreciate it when you do that. Gordon Jumper this one with Jeremy and natty Jeremy Eighty. Thank you so much for joining us today. I kind of want to just start off Jeremy. We're both Indiana natives. I don't know if you knew that but I'm curious who your all time. Favorite Colts player is I mean. That's kind of easy. I'm sorry I'm not trying to be generic Manning but then Usak actually is a really good friend of mine. Know Ben. Yeah Yeah So. He's a good friend of mine. That Payton I'm sorry. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's he's a classic but that is funny and then Yeah we I don't think you didn't go to purdue but my dad's boilermaker we got deep Indiana roots. And yet it's G I know like drew brees from from purdue and like Oh the drew brees era man love. That met fan. Yeah we have so much in common already. You guys didn't see this because he talked about earlier but Indiana California nationals. Crazy before even came on which that was great. I did the deep dive research and I found all the old the old pictures and everything. We'll post that. During the Youtube video guys day is gone but ours is a is a little wild over here. I got hives. You probably can't see him but we did like yeah. You're having an allergic reaction to something t shirt here. It's like that's just from me flexing now. Jeremy need the same thing so I understand. You are low key Jack. Though man. I don't WANNA show up. It's kind of covered it up right now Appreciate that okay. So I want to jump in because I'm fascinated with dude. I feel like I have any guys on podcast. They can dislike run with sports and People. Sorry for being entertaining. I don't know what else you do. So eighty here we go we can we can just Chitchat The first question so we're talking about this it was it. Actually your is movie the I still believe. It was actually recommended to us. As soon as it launched by Andrew's parents. It was like the first movie they watched the day that it came out for marriage thirteenth. I believe is Andrew's one of five had every single kid in grandkid and like extended family. Watch this movie. It's a very powerful movie. We were curious in talking. I'm just going to jump straight into the questions. I don't know this was coming so we are saying it's such a successful movie. It's such a powerful movie especially given the chaos going on in the world right now. How is it for you guys? Having such a platform in success that relates to such vulnerable conversations and life experiences going into. I think when you yourself out there like that it's almost expected to have these deeper conversations and there's a scripture that I love in Corinthians says that recalled a comfort others with what we've been comfort and so you know what almost beautiful time to put this out when literally the the song even says even when I cannot see I still believe and I think right now. Everyone wants to kind of in this place on. I don't I don't know if it's unknown and we have no idea what's going to happen in trust you know for us to trust in the word comes in and now we're we're hearing stories of people saying you know we have been shown with this and strong liver faith in what this renewed that hope within us because I think when you see suffering which is natural part of what we go through in light remained. Jesus promises us. Innocence in Jonah goes. Hey I say things you will have peace in this world. You'RE GONNA face trials many kinds. You has take her overcome the world. And so this is a story of overcoming with Jesus in the midst of the most difficult time alive and so a lot of people right now are going to that. You know the most difficult time in their life losing jobs you know battling with actually the virus or even death which is warragul and fear anxiety. You're hearing of suicide. It's it's crazy and so for me. We're going God. Please use this impact this generation right now. That people could truly walkout understanding that. There's hope when it's only found in you and that's kind of. Were you know this movie? How how exciting. It's been to see the fruit of that so I not question steering off from that a little bit and I wanna come back to the movie but talking about renewing. Hope in such a chaotic time. I'm curious as parents. You guys have three kids ranging in ages eight to fifteen that those ages scare me. We have a five month old dogs ages but I think because everyone listening is going that same time. We have a lot of people who are parents going with the theme of that trying to restore hope. What do you tell your kids in a time like this watching a movie like you guys have put out about hardships and suffering? How do you communicate that to a child of I duNno? Just not? Yeah I mean I think you know obviously depending on the age group you might phrase things a little bit differently but I know for us. We oftentimes just talked about hot things with that kids and just encourage them. You know life is hard but this is in a sense where the rubber meets. The road is going to be. What kind of character is gonNA come out of us in the season and it doesn't mean that we're not gonNA have hard moments of bad days so stressful? I mean who isn't at some point feeling a little crazy in being quarantined and some people I know a battling via innings diety and so in assists just having grace for those places but aside. I think that they know they're not alone in this. You know and so. We've just been really trying to be intentional in sitting and going through the book of James Together and just connecting instead of just going. Hey you guys good kid good. Let's just get through this together. We've really been stopping everything in trying to be intentional of connecting and going. How are you really doing as you hide in this? Are you struggling? How you feeling and then just letting them know like you're not alone in us and then also just reminded like Jesus said GonNa go through high things but he also said take hot. 'cause I have overcome the world so he didn't just leave us alone in these difficulties that he said he would be with us with them. And so just really as a family pressing into those things together. I think has been huge for us is also the awareness talent that God's aware of this yet use. It's not like he's gone. Oh my goodness I had no clue this was gonNA happen. I think that's kind of a big part of your kids. Understand that God's fully aware he's still on the throne stone controlling. We can trust him. Doesn't make sense. You know so you guys have also been doing some livestream duets. Yes Beautiful John. I got to pay homage. That kind of wanted to do our own around I do. I do love seeing eighty I was. I was listening to the Benjamin Gate Jams Alison but I know you guys the movie. I still believe about your first wife and and the amazing amazingly tragic I guess maybe is a is a fair way to put it. You guys have also experienced miscarriage as well And We that was kind of something that we share we experienced and we shared publicly and it was such like this difficult position to be in. Because as you now sharing the difficult things and as you said it it does lead to deeper conversations into into into meaningful conversations but it also is so tough to revisit frequently. And it's like you know you know you WANNA share hope every time you have that question ask and you have that conversation but how how have you guys found navigating that and just like not not revisiting the same emotions that you experience when it actually happened as you have these conversations going on the road? I think you know a little bit. You know. I'll share this kind of for my experience. I went through share but You know I've realized that when you go through a painter her there's like an open wound you know what I mean so when you first half an open wound in everything you do looking at it. We're not looking at where we wrote up against something. It's you're going to is going to be hurt. But then there's a point when it actually heels up and becomes a scar and so what happens is you. Don't have the open Mundi more. That's been healed but you do. You are reminded of of Kinda the pain and what happened. You reminded of the journey went through. I look in stock and I think that's kind of been a lot of what I've realized through. All this is that. I'm not seating in the hopeless. You know place in ideas for for a while. I felt kind of hopeless after everything happened. Of course guide was so faithful in the midst of all that. But now you just go. Yeah that that was hard. That was difficult in Maine but God has healed that that open wound and now. There's a scar remaining. I think that says the reminder that it's not the seething pain is not the wounds that seeping out still you're a Haski Obama under his faithfulness. You know so yeah I think for me as well. I mean as much as this so many difficult things in in life and I think especially when we went to our miscarriage I was fourteen weeks and so we had literally waited the whole fish. I messed it to just come out and make a public thing and it was literally like a couple of weeks after that Winston was no heartbeat you now and so it had sort of forced us into this public spectrum to have to deal with it publicly but I think the beautiful thing of it was that this so much power I think invulnerability. That's people do feel like they're not alone you know like oh my gosh that do and that was one thing. I was actually shocked to hear so many people that had struggled with pregnancies in struggled with miscarriages up until then it innocence was Kinda clueless thinking Until it happened to me than it was like. Oh my gosh. There's so many people that have walks through this and I think knowing how people got through at and just seeing the faith that people had had through different trials and then you know this God is so present in some of the most difficult things and I really felt that it was like inland. Most broken hurt and sad moments felt God's presence so much and literally would just sit down at the piano and just play worship songs inches all my head off Just got was so prison in those moments in healing and I think when we share those with other people. Such sweetness nuggets. God's way of redeeming those painful things that we get to share those gifts and other people you know and just realize on my word I can not the only person that's gone through this and in the hope that we share with each other. It's kind of like a cable in this together. Let's do this. Oh you know when someone's feeling down is just second you got this. You'RE GONNA make it through. I think Kinda bouncing on what you said to of filling. You're not alone with the book that we wrote the marriage book it's riding this to be very transparent so we're very transparent in the book as well sharing our struggles. You know. I mean we have marriage and contrary to popular belief and but we basically have been really really transparent. It's the same thing and people don't feel like they're in Ireland make. They're going through this alone. And so you know you find that comfort knowing you know the new normal with a a somebody and so that's for sure. Being transparent being open is a massive part of what we have been trying to be. I have a lot of questions about the marriage side of things but we WANNA take back. We always ask our couples. How did you first meet where? I'm I'd actually been playing with my band for a few years in your turning around and actually was Jeremy is very frisked to it was to a confessional for her. That's right yeah so we met on. We met on onto and merchandise tables. Were set up really really close to each other and I don't hear that very often. Our merchandise kids would like we say things that people understand heater their thermos we to an honesty. It was totally not Cycle to the ranch actually loved Jeremy's music. Don't tell I'm I was just I. Didn't I wasn't thinking that he was the victim? You know I was looking for something completely different and so when we met each other I think we we're trying to impress each other. All we became friends really quickly and just total idiots and goofballs with each other because of that it was sort of a comfort level that was very quickly established and just came close friends and I I was blown away by his testimony. I'd never met anybody as young as him and had gone through so much trials and still authentically saying you China. I don't understand why God a lot all of this to happen still believe and that absolutely blew me away so I was very intrigued. Asking him tons of questions and I was also equally intrigued with his wife. Melissa because the same thing faith was so strong and she was young. You know you don't stay cancer in death in the face and just think of the most noble thing to say. That isn't a natural response. Really I think what came out of hot was authentic with who she was in such a faith you know and I was so blown away by that so I didn't ask him tons of questions and then we became great friends and then all of a sudden it was kind of like. When did we Jeremy is what of even give her a note knows I do? You like me circle yes or no saw George Strait style right there. I am curious and other deeper questions. I'm sorry I'm very curious what we've done episodes before unlike blended families who've done episodes before about people marrying into adopted kids in just all these different scenarios for families. If you don't mind me asking I would be curious especially for our listeners. Just in different scenarios how both of you approached marriage again. Jeremy you being you having been married before and lost your wife and then eighty coming into. I don't WanNa say that baggage but that already spot. That's filled in his heart that you don't expect him to get rid of ever. But how? How do you blend that together? An honor that from both perspectives. I think for me personally. People say how do you do that was good? You know I think people they try to figure this out that you will have been upset with me going through this movie because people like to troll on the Internet really. You're you're the love of your life. How could you get remarried at that? I'm like here's the deal. God has expanded my heart. You're an Indian. I don't think was when you have a child and we have three now. I have your first child and then all of a sudden you realize that only have two children are going. How am I going to love the second out as much as I love my first child like you? Kinda like say exact. Then what what? What's amazing is your heart just goes in expanse. You don't I mean I think that for me that's kind of what happened my hardest expanded. It wasn't a replacement wasn't like all sudden. Of course she is the one that God has chosen to walk this life through so thankful it's what a treasure the God expanded my heart in. I think for me how I dealt with stepping forward and that is going okay. Laura I felt guilty saying no no no when I bless you received my blessing. And that's what I did and I'm so thankful I did because she has been the backbone of of this and been so supportive in the midst of me talking about my testimony. I mean sorry. I'm yacking here but you know she. She's asked a lot. How do you deal with You know your husband talking about another woman you know. Of course it is not here anymore. But she's like listen. Here's the deal. I've been so touched by the story and I know it's not about me not about Melissa. Were about you. It's about Jesus Reason why she to stand and your address or even more but yeah. I think you know for me. This grief changes you you know. And so the man that Melissa married is different from the man that I married. You know when you when you go through something we talk about. It's the new normal when you've not something so hot and difficult to changes innocent who you are and so. I think because of that chairman my story was so different from his Melissa's this was sort of a kind of this beautiful romantic fairytale end. I think as was it almost felt a little bit more like okay. This is real equity in the gut to get at. How are we gonNA fight our way out of this to mean and just walk through seasons of healing and and those kind of broken things together but just like Jeremy said? I was so deeply touched by the story like literally the The Lord. Use It so much to change my hot in encourage things in me and I just remember you know. It's not like I haven't had difficult days or insecure romance but I just remember thinking who am I to stand in the way of him sharing his testimony because so many people have been touched by it and because I was touched by it and so I for me I've gone have been many times So powerful of what guy did and it's it's bigger than us. isn't necessarily about me. It's not about Melissa competition between her. And I iol and I feel this freedom in Manhattan just totally. My sister in Christ will be in heaven together one day but right now you know. Jeremy has beautiful test of how God got him through such an crazy hardship and I want people to be encouraged in strengthens by. That is a really good like amazing perspectives and better. Talking Than Than Sean. I on analyst. I always love these podcasts though because sometimes I find myself so interested in the answer and you guys will finish them like. Oh I have to ask you another part. That's only sometimes though as she said. I'm curious can you guys tell us the engagement story? Have you read it? Leave a hearing from Jeremy's now because of the situation you know I'm very much very early on. He didn't talk about. I'M NOT GONNA play games in this whole thing. I've been through intermarriage so nothing games so at one point. I started feeling that like guilty. Because we're actually you know. I was liking her. I didn't do this or not and so I was like you know what I'm just going to break it off with her so I know so I think you're out McKay. We need to go out and talk and she kind of knew. Something was up taller that day outside high not. We hadn't been officially together but I was like I think Jerry's GonNa shut down. You know to be romantic vs fish and we go out and literally guys that came out of my mouth. She was sitting across the table from me and I looked at her. And I going to say hey. This is workout and I looked at her and said. Do you feel like you can marry me. She literally said Yes right away and I went okay I go actually came here to kind of break it off with us out but that didn't come out of my mouth so I literally that came out of my mouth and here's a deal because I was like my personality is. Rv Is it any grab. I'm an eight seventy. So which is like the Challenger Confrontational Fun Guy To? I'm very muchly you know. You're like look at her and she if she would have said or delayed response. I have been like out like right away but because she actually said yes. I knew that okay. This is serious like we actually each other so that was kind of not how. We got engaged kind of allegation gauge officially. Like were you engaged. Moving forward like gave me six months later that but with an actual officially okay how to make it special still. Hey I know we already did this. 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I'm curious how you balance that while having three kids while keeping marriage is a focus. That's not an easy thing to do. Know for sure for one. She's awesome. I was GonNa say I think for me? It's keeping keeping the main things the main things and what I mean by that is for me. The main things are my marriage in my kids relationship with the Lord and so if those three things are functioning unhealthy than advil the freedom to do things outside of that you know and so even practically like on a daily basis. I'll just do even practical check when in my head like the kid stick and tariff any responsibilities taken care of and as soon as I can check those boxes than I feel the freedom to pursue writing or singing or doing something. That's a little bit innocent me from coast. I guess an and I think you know essentially as well as I'm really peripheral about the things that opportunities because obviously as you guys know this so many opportunities that come away and it doesn't always necessarily mean every one of those opportunities What we're supposed to be doing and I am already just crippled that God. You've gotTA show me if I'm supposed to be doing this. And then I think for me if I know he has showed me and giving me the green light that I'm I'm all in but if he doesn't give me that than I just had this hesitation in I don't feel the freedom to kind of dive fully right in. I think those are kind of mind. Little indicators I guess Ju- were re make sure that everyone feels included. She had to telling me one time. She's like hey you're gonNa tell me what's going on the road because she would hear things that are awesome. That happened that you heard from somebody else running onto the next thing. I guess you know typical guy and so I had to learn that. That's not how she operates and she wants to like she's a part of what we do and so we've made made her and the kids a big part of what we do and so they'll set. She'll say hey guys dad's Sharon Jesus in front of a bunch of people night spray for him and Disley know that God is is using you and you're going to have a rewards in heaven because you let your daddy go out and share these things now. We also do take our kids best. A lot of my family with me is not like we are always separate. I mean we've made it very intentional time for us as a family. I would say at least fifty percent of the time that I'm gone there with me your name. At least as though it's important we do things together so they feel a part of it but or not just make sure they still art so. Schon someone on tour. I guess three months after we got married The day after we got married we had fly out to Oakland and I started football training camp. I never never signed with the colts. Jeremy but I gotta go to. I I went to minicamp and got a play with like Viteri and all the boys it was awesome but it was easily the hardest time in our marriage her being on tour because she's we're on a completely different wavelengths she's like when you're on onto or in front of thousands of people are tonight. You're living the life like you know. It's like this weird. It's like this weird high that you're on essentially and I'm sitting at home. I couldn't go with her so I'm like I just got cut from NFL team. And I'm on the you know the slumps and I think she it's so good that you intentionally share the good things that go on because I think I think we got so disoriented that Shannon was felt guilty sharing the good things because she knew that I was like you know bomb at home and so I think we've definitely matured past that. But I the touring and traveling that that can be very very tough so kudos to you guys. I mean when you know that you're in it together you know and so it was like we've gotTA keep gluing. Yeah and just keep us a team thing to me an acknowledged the sacrifices that you're making because in a sense again making sacrifices holding the hunkered down and I'm missing out on all these incredible things. Jeremy's going to so many different countries than you know. He acknowledges the sacrifice I make then innocence. He's making sacrifices to because he's away from the kids and so a piece missing milestones. These missing APP Rad conversations memories that I get to make with them and so just knowing. We're in this together requires both of us. It's a cost of both accounts the S. One thing is that if you want that one person has it better than the other or whatever or for worse than the other that's when the conflict arises because that one gets you anywhere you gotta get acknowledged the good and what the person's doing breach see you guys married. Sixteen years so that's amazing Four years tomorrow. So we're getting there. We're getting there but I'm curious because you guys have married sixteen years. I mean just talking about four years the amount of highs and lows you go through in a relationship things you learn the trials you go through what. What are some of those overarching lessons? You've learned for the highs and for those. What do we have to look forward to use water? Six so much basketball thing is that you'll realize what we were saying is that everyone goes through these things start to open them. Urpi be transparent. You're like okay. We're not alone. We're not great in our marriage you know But conflict resolution is a massive that communication. And it's learning. How yeah as you know out each person tick and how they deal with things. I have the process. She wants to deal with the right away. I can't because I'm the process and so it'd be like what's wrong with Dad's literally ask. I'm like I need to know he's like I need my space in the beginning as well. I processed him needing space as him. Not being as committed in because I was like a camera going through this hot thing right now this is where I need you to show in conflicts like then Union committed and shift the way that I was thinking through that because I realized he was admitted that he needed the space to think through how he felt about things and how he was going to process some of that stuff you know because if she pushed me too much then I would actually get more and more upset and actually give volatile in conversation at this guy marriage. Counselor you know. I have to understand and she has to say. Can you tell me that you will talk through this? You know strewn not like Murad and Athletic Knowledge yes I will knowledge. I can't threaten now and I tell her Pushing me right now that she gets soon as a stop knowing but we have to acknowledge like. Hey you need to stop in. And she's like. Are you going to deal with it eventually? Massive part of conflict resolution and I think sue communication. There's a couple of things that I will tell you. Guys that we've learn is in the book to but you don't tell each other it that you're okay if you're not and so that means is like I'll give practical small thing like I say looking over this. Look hang out. She would if I would say hey. Can I go out with my friends and she is. She didn't want me to because you felt like we needed to connect then she needed to say actually rather you not and I have to understand that. She's not being a gracious or not. Want to hang out that she actually in her heart was like I need to connect but if she if she says yeah go ahead but then expects me to remind owner. Just should've known that I you know we needed have signed that way you tell me that. Hey no I don't and if you're okay then I'm going to go and I'm GonNa have the freedom to go not wonder if you're sitting there at home frustrated with me because what happens. A lot of people will like yeah. Yeah it's all good. And then they started eating inside and then little tiny ru will start to grow and then pretty soon everything that you do apart from your spouse like. I'm going to go to the store You're always going away from me. I get to just irrational. Because you've grown this rose root of bitterness resentment and so don't tell the person you wrote. Hey you have to tell. The person cannot read your mind me as well one of things that I learned is. I can't rely on Jeremy. My emotional wellbeing I have to find my value in Christ. I have to find my worth hoochies. Thinks I am because if I'm looking to Jeremy. Awesome totally floored than than I'm going to get frustrated with him. I'M GONNA PUT UNNECESSARY PRESSURE ON HIM. To read my mind to know about heart is and that that's essentially unfit on him. And he can't do that anyway. We never meant to complete each other. I think in the sort of narrative in culture if you complete me and we get married we live happily ever after and it's not true at all. It's okay you've got to impacted people. Now you're gonNA stop rubbing the heck out of each other and find all the things that you disagree find this middle ground but I think also knowing that the beauty of marriage is knowing each other weaknesses and still loving each other pasta and so it's like sixteen years of marriage in or we're looking gun jeremy's literally see me at my worst and is still chosen to lead me effect. We've done things to hurt each other. We said things that are hurtful totally done things we regret. And we'd have to work through forgiveness staff and even like Jeremy said it's like you've gotta keep your heart softwoods each other you've lived that root of bitterness. Come out because hotness isn't something that happens overnight and really the breakdown in divorce in marriage happens because I have become so hot. It's like irreconcilable differences. You know and so I think we've just learned to have to deal with us don't let root of bitterness creeper and don't let your heart get hot and even if you have to ask guy to give you supernatural leverage other times that. I'm like I don't like Jeremy by now you know and even further than that more than just not like it's just guide. I don't even know that I know of love in my heart. What's ahead of him right now? Unhurt I feel like my hardest hide and I've literally got on my knees and just gone. Jesus you are supernatural. You're bigger than me and you can give me the things that I need to love because love is really ultimately supernatural. It was God's idea in the first place and to to him and said God I need to give me when I don't have and I can tell you like he's done it. He's helped us the gift. He's helped us move past hurts into where we really genuinely love each other best friends and I'm stuck to be married for high them anymore. Years can you guys write a book or something eighty? I love how you did. Say in one of your interviews That you don't you don't need Jeremy as much as he thinks African classic. But you guys have had an epic twenty twenty so far. So let's see in February. I still believe memoir was published March. The movie came out. And then we'll just last week This April you guys have published. Your book together called in unison. Can you tell us about that? You've already shared so many amazing marriage tips. But I would love to talk about the book. Yeah so basically I mean you know a lot of over. Sharon is in the book but like I think the reason why writing this is we all need as much tools we can get in any part of life in in marriage. You need the best amount of tools to walk into this because you know a lot of times. We go into marriage counseling. And we'll talk. You don't really kind of in La La land at first and it's just the chemistry's there everything's coming effectuation. So you're almost like we're not gonNA deal with that you don't actually think about it and process through it I think this book for me was one of those things saying okay. We both went. How can we provide the best tools possible that we know not that we've figured out marriage and the marriage at all any means? How can we provide the best tools what we've learned and I think ultimately the biggest thing is people go into marriage and they have this disillusionment deck? They're going to fulfil all my knees. We're talking about you know that. S what she was saying. I don't need you as much as you think. Do you know because you Jesus is the one that provides all my knees. I think people get into marriage and they have this kind of expectation that everything's GonNa be great and there to fill my knees me and then also like I'm not happy. You're not doing your part so I'm going to move on or you're not letting me fulfil migraines in so I'm going to move on and it's like fully contrary to what Jesus says about marriage and you know I think for us. We're learning so much still the I think the massive thing is you've kind of touched on it. This book is just going. You cannot do marriage without Jesus and you can't do meredith playing Christ I in your life and realizing that he is the provider of all of your needs and your spouse is not doesn't our responsibility you know engine husbands to go. You know my part because it's all about Jesus and author needs. It's not that but when you're spending Christ that the fruits of the spirit nationally overflow from your life and you will do crisis called you to do to lay down your your life for your wife. Chrysler down his wife life for the Church and so There's our national outlines of you know spending time with Christ so there's so many there's so many things that's why it's like you're talking about. Yeah you know I think out hot behind. It was just going. We just want to. We want to change the world around us. You know to me not had together by any means but just going. Hey these are the things we've learned. We want to be honest and transparent and just go we. We've struggled with these things and this is how we got through it and just with hopes that that would impact people's lives and marriages and give them tools to not give up. You know we've talked about. We're talking to somebody who has a podcast mostly for singles more like his well because prepare yourself Miami. Everyone needs we would into marriage too and I like that. What we've done is that you know with our parents. We've taken the good and spit out. Things like yes. Not a element of were friends of ours. Were like I love that. Do not like that. You're not GonNa and I think that we've always we've been very innocent. Hopefully trying to be teachable. Always may be Acted upon it right away. But we've we've wanted to watch the things grow from people and have people in our lives to talk about you. Know happy in your life that you're real wis had you know because once again don't wait until it's too late because we've had so many friends that have gotten divorced and they come to us. We had no clue and they've already for five years. Or whatever had this very volatile relationship in they've been bitter towards each other in their hardest so hard like you know like you're trying to counsel them through basically already made their mind and that doesn't mean that it's impossible Godkin breakthrough any barrier all. But most most of the time they ended up getting divorced and it's very sad because already they waited too long so this is one of those. Don't wait too long. Here's a tool helped. Walk through those things Working people pick up in unison. Really Right now. The best use because everyone has Amazon true yet Martin. Any online retailer leaking go to the stores eventually. But don't go but Yeah Amazon. Released the best in you eighty as I understand it This isn't the first book you've written. We actually share something in common. I wrote a children's book as well. Yes so you're just called me all right. Nice mine's called you are but I'm actually a similar concept. You know talking about the the hardening of hearts. I was reading a book recently. Talks about it's kind of interviews like elderly couples and it talks about how quickly the rift can occur. Where it's like you know if there's even if it's a small dispute to the two parties if they don't resolve it or have the intention to resolve it as you as you were talking about. You know they go to their separate friend groups or community whatever it is and if it's not a strong community a lot of times the people will just kinda be the yes man of like. Oh my gosh. I can't believe that he did that. I can't believe that she did. And then it like reinforces that I've been wronged and they need apologize so anyway. I think it's I think it's a really good thing you guys are talking about in the book and I appreciate you sharing that Do you WANNA do. Yeah more lighthearted. We have the three questions so three questions that we ask every couple we have to choose. Who goes first without knowing the question okay? So this'll end positive. I promise but eighty what is your biggest pet peeve? Jeremy that he doesn't do the dishes. Sir. Jeremy your biggest pet peeve with eighty biggest view. You know that's that's right so hard not to Laris Jeremy. Every time we do this the girl has always like looking thinking about it that much or they play the political game where they're like. I don't WanNa pay later actually love this. We've seen it from the husbands before where their immediate reaction is. Oh I don't know what is my the say honestly. We have a tendency like when we go on the road and come home. She leaves all her stuff out and in the bedroom week. Six saying look worse saying Oh my gosh. It's so worth having time. Pack only part two. Now Jeremy You have to go first. What do you love the most? Righty love her. Sure this last night because we have a thing in table with our kids we share the things that we love each other which was really good urging and last of hers that. I've never met anybody who is so enter. Pursuit for dominance in her pursuit of Jesus to Say Lord. Please show me the things in my heart. That are right. She constantly's asking the Lord opened his. What says search me o gotten try means see being a wicked way me renew a steadfast spirit within really felt like that. She does that and I love them now. Eighty you'll have the most Jeremy. They are lots of things. I think. Jeremy has a very strong personality and a lot of people know him. I think facility and I think what is equally attractive to me and beautiful to me about him is he has the same strength on the opposite spectrum when it comes to his sensitivity to the Lord and that he listens to the voice will not any sensitive to the leading the Holy Spirit. And so I didn't have to ever worry about him. I don't know just getting off the rails or whatever it is as mattresses and passionate and strong that he really does his hot is to be in line with the Holy Spirit into just that sensitive and hot towards and I asked His it makes me feel safe. It makes me feel like I can trust him. And it's the safety. Dna love is a great okay. Best piece of of your best relationship advice or marriage vice that you've been given or would give based off your experience and I'll give you a funny one I it's great data always said happy wife. Happy Life Yeah Good. Gosh I'm trying to think one of the fact that the earliest piece of marriage advice that I heard was that in order for there to be an argument somebody has to be selfish and I just remember hearing that and just going. Oh Wow okay so I get to play a part in this of whether or not I'm going to be selfish or unselfish to keep this argument going and I think I I think about it. It's sort of set the tone for how as you conflict of just I can either be finished all I can keep us going. You know something. I think that was good. I think mine is basically the whole. I heard this from a bunch of friends. Don't let the sun go down on your anger. Nf or says like okay? Yeah Yeah when I realized what happened. You know because a lot of times. I'd be frustrated. 'cause I want to do with it? At Rollo persuaded in I'd wake up and then sometimes I wake up and be religious heart right away like at all said under there was nothing there. Tenderness Mahar is are really understood. That she's saying doesn't mean you have to resolve it right away at least be like. Hey I love you. This will deal with this tomorrow. I don't WanNa do the right now. At least Kinda give some kind of leeway because I understood that like that's why says that because your heart naturally even almost like when you're asleep sagging you have dreams about. Yeah I love all of that and I mean again. Just write a book or something. If you guys if anybody wants to find you where can they find it? We will all the information description below but this is kind of your opportunity to just. There's anything you want people to know the book the Movie Guys Foundation. If you guys want to talk about that run with it sweet. Yeah so At Jeremy Camp's official and then eighty camp facebook dot com. You know spotify sank thing Jeremy Camp and then eighty just by what else there is. The movie is right now because it was in theaters. I still believed leaders. March thirteen of course leaders closed down. The hard thing is it was a number in America on Friday so just kind of like amazing but like what's like okay lorded. How you gauge. What's happened but it's on. You know anybody on demand like Amazon. You know prime video or video you will play up. Tv anything. That's that That's right now. Alcoa people should check it out because they're stuck at home and it's just a really good time to discuss some the deep elements of that are book in unison or Amazon. And then yes speaking louder. is a ministry that we started years ago that I go overseas and basically do these evangelistic outreaches but we try to make it a three full thing. It's going to Like went to India recently and we did a full-scale sixteen thousand people showed up. You know Uganda. We got thirty. Five thousand people show up to build homes and we built medical facility in Uganda We have come network of resources that we put together for these churches local churches that we have this kind of conference for the event. So it's very much not dislike. We're GONNA play a concert. Share the Gospel. And that's it. It's heinous build a hospital. Let's build homes have a conference for leaders to encourage leaders in the area? So that's been incredible. Cancel our Georgia. We One Eastern Europe in Georgia known to slip down. Yeah it's that's just what we do like. You have a heart for missions. The massive part of what we want to step into more and more as we move on just sharing hope and then leaving something tangible behind Gina. Well we had a blast with that. I thank you so much for your time. Thank you both for your music. Thank you for the live streams. Thank you for saving your sideburns. Jeremy If if you guys want to find out more about their book That they wrote together called in unison. You can find that in the shown us down below but it was a real pleasure talking so thank you awesome awesome.
Todd Ramasar, NBA Agent/Life Sports Media & Entertainment
"This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Schaap we start your the prominent NBA and Todd. Rams are hoping to get an update on what's going on from an insider the world of professional basketball todd. Thank you for joining us. Jeremy thanks for having me on. How's everything on? We're we'RE DOING. Okay here it's You know we're we're staying safe. I live in suburban Connecticut. I know you're in southern California How are things with you you know? Every everything is Is Good for the most part. I think just like Most of US trying to make the most out of the circumstances you know few weeks ago. I think it was march twelfth. Whatever that Wednesday was With that that you know remarkable scene with Ghobeire and Oklahoma City and season shutting down that night as I recall. Or maybe maybe it was the next day it seems like a million years ago now Sports is come to a standstill as has so much else in the rhythms of our daily lives. At how would you describe it represent Some prominent players including Pascal Dot Com and Thomas Bryant Kevon Looney I in the inside world of the NBA. How're people looking at things right now? Oh well that's You know I it's IT'S A. It's a great question Jeremy Because Obviously I think for all of us that Have a responsibility or have our day jobs. You know there's there's that responsibility there. We're we're looking at this crisis you know in terms of Roles and responsibilities are there and then there's also you know You know our personal roles and responsibilities. Where exactly whether it'd be executives players or even agents like myself where we're also concerned for our own health and safety as well as our families so there's a there's a number of things I think that are crossing our minds on a on a daily basis as As this crisis continues to evolve but it's I guess it's it's all circumstantial in terms of What the what the thoughts are speaking with todd. Rams are at the agent for several prominent NBA players and we heard todd from Adam. Silver Just in the last couple of days basically saying we can't really have a plan now because there's simply too much uncertainty. We don't know what's happening We the virus We don't have a vaccine obviously so when people are asking questions When we get back to play he admits or he says there are no good answers. Right now but. I'm sure there are contingency plans. So how'd you wrap your head around all of this uncertainty? I think it's working at at both options right. And and without uncertainty You know going over those options with our clients and then even for me just trying to better understand you know what the issues are that the League in the Union and th and everyone else involved is is facing you know when I say the two options it's either the season is going to resume at some point In the near future in the near future to be you know six eight weeks from now or the season is GonNa be forced to To be cancelled because to Adams Point This crisis and the and the information around is so fluid and changing you know you don't want to announce That the season is GonNa Resume. Then face the problem where it's going to have to and Before it even starts or begins because I think that would Not only be a blow to the League but I think for fans to that could be a bit You know disheartening Based on the circumstances because I think fans and and people turned the sports In Times of crisis in in this crisis to not have sports is one thing but To kind of be teased with sports returning and then to have it end again That could be That could be a significant blow. I think morale overall title. We heard you know was just go bare but also Mitchell and durant testing positive. What kind of what kind of Level of fear was there among players there was concern especially for players. That just recently played The jazz or maybe even if they just recently played guarded go bear. And that's in. That's nothing You know against go bear or Donovan just like anyone else that test positive with this virus it just it just happened to be them and and there was There was concerned because The concern is Is uncertainty uncertainty around this virus and And the symptoms in the long term effects that I think in some ways we're only beginning to understand as a society and in the medical field so There was concern about that in for a lot of players. It wasn't just concerned fruit that it was concerned for their families. Because you know some of the players may have family members with underlying health conditions or older parents or grandparents and you know the fear of of maybe being positive in being a symptomatic and instill being highly contagious is is a is a concern or You know for all for all the players In their And their families. So that's that's how I I would Say that most of a lot of the players at least my clients were we're facing. We're speaking with todd. Rams are An agent represents several prominent NBA players. But you have a longer clientele list as well How many guys you represent who were playing overseas before supports got shut down. Approximately thirty five in how many countries Off The top of my head I would say at least at least ten countries. Wow all countries throughout throughout Europe and Asia. How did you help them manage this when when not only trying to be safe leagues had different strategies about when they should shut down but then the complications of getting back home to the US? If they were getting back home that that must have been challenging Jeremy in in in times of crisis or or even times that are in and solutions need to be found as I really tried to put myself in my clients shoes and by doing that I can look at their set of circumstances in in in this case this crisis you know. Look at the country. They're in look at how that country or that team What type of medical resources? They may have you know understanding my client in any in talking to them understanding their concerns that they may have for their family back here in the states or even understanding what state that they may be. It'd be living in Here in the US and just try to understand the full scope You know to avoid anything That could potentially be You know more harmful for them back. Then which would have been in the coming weeks so it in a lot of the cases. Jeremy I jus- Went to the teams and ended up bringing a lot of my clients home. Because you know Looking at China where the outbreak I began looking at how Europe was escalating At the time it was It was a fairly easy decision to make knowing that it was just a matter of time before it would hit the US and escalate here as well as other parts of the world. Pascal CIOCCI of your most prominent clients most improved player in the League. Last year could have been the most improved player in the league this year. And certainly the raptors hopes of repeating as champion are resting on his shoulders to some some degree. He's from Cameroon. He plays in Canada What are his concerns right now? A beyond Beyond the concerns that we all have you know. That's a great question. Jeremy I don't know if there if there is any concerns beyond I think let the rest of us may be feeling eat healthy feeling good. Is You know his? His family is is healthy and safe right now and I know because about his teammates. Everyone is good there and team personnel. So I think he's anxiously awaiting you know To to see the light. I guess you could say at the end of the tunnel in terms of what's next right. What's next in terms of this season? Resuming or is he turning his sights. You know to To next season whenever that may begin and overall just being sensitive to you know what's going on in society you know how that that impacts him directly but also how he could be a voice you know for you know to give you know some people in society some hope because as I mentioned earlier. You know oftentimes I think we turn to sports Or some level of celebrity for just You know Some words there were even some guidance in in Pascal heavily involved in the community. Those are things that he's looking at in terms of whether it be PSA's or even though you can't be hands on there in the community Speaking to some initiatives That may need some attention and some light drawn to it Based on this call the nineteen and how it's impacting society at all different levels and in different ways and of course in sub Saharan Africa. The fear is that the virus is going to Spread and there won't be adequate resources to deal with it. That there is an impending catastrophe in some parts of sub Saharan Africa. Of course everyone hoping that's not not the case. E sixty went home with Pascal to Cameroon Last off season. I know that show is coming up. shortly Type thank you for joining us. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and expressing the concerns of so many in the NBA community. Before we let you go. What are people saying about the possibility of a baseball kind of floated this idea to some extent of playing games without fans? Yeah I mean this is purely my opinion. Jeremy I think I think it as it relates to know fans if the NBA is looking to resume the season this year. I don't think we really have a choice. because Obviously we we talk about social distancing the more fans that you have in a confined space and we know how arenas or stadiums are set up. It's it's well within that six feet of Distancing so it you know just for the safety of the fans as well as the safety of the players and team personnel. Everyone involved I think it's it's without question. Matic Games can't be played Without any fans present at least initially until they have a certain protocol in place or this virus subsides quite a bit where everyone's confident return back to arenas but in the near future in my opinion in near future being in the next few months I don't see that happening todd. Thank you for joining us. Really appreciate your insights. Please stay safe and we'd love to have you back here on the show in the future. Thanks for having me Jeremy and you do the same. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN APP. Beginning at six. Am Eastern time. Today's horoscope brought to you by GEICO. Today begins a journey toward in new areas. Making smarter decisions for yourself starting with going to GEICO DOT COM and discovering. You could save hundreds of dollars a year on car insurance with GEICO. 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Pianist Jeremy Denk Performs Mozart
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Andy Tennant, E:60
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This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef this past week. He sixty kicked off its twelfth season on ESPN the show goes back to two thousand seven for most of its history. It was a monthly show. But for the last two years, it's been a weekly show on Sunday mornings, nine o'clock eastern time who stood by yours truly in that that guy. Bob Lee, who's taken a long vacation. He calls it a sabbatical. It's really a vacation. He says he's coming back in April. I I'm not holding my breath. We welcome to the show. Now. It's always interesting when you get to interview your boss, the executive producer of e sixty a man who's won about forty seven national sports EMMY awards, but who's counting my good friend. Andrew Tennant, Andy. How are you? Hello. Jeremy I'm holding my breath speak into the microphone. Okay. I know. This isn't what you normally do. But why don't why don't we speak into the microphone? That's make this easy for the producers. Okay. I know you're a visual guy. It's a visual medium television e- sixties about production values, but this is audio east sixties back this past week and the season premiere we had a story about parkland about Marjory stoneman Douglas high school in parkland Florida, and it's football team trying to cope in the aftermath of the horrific school shooting took place a year ago this week on February fourteen twenty eighteen that was a story that in many ways is emblematic of what e- sixty is done shorts. A story about sports. But it's also not a story about sports. It's also story that required a full year's worth of reporting and producing from Martin co two Bosch, and in particular, I was the reporter. But most of the work is as is usually the case. And you'd be the first to say that is done by the. Juicer obviously there was an anniversary this week. But why did why did e sixty choose to tell this story about parkland? I think for us. It's about yes. We work for a sports network. Yes. Where a sports show, but you know, our responsibility is to go out there and find stories that are compelling and are just about life where there's a lesson to be learned where there's, you know, something that provides the next chapter to a story. You know, I think at a certain point the coverage of the parkland snowmen Douglas mass shooting ended, and you know, so people moved on cameras went away the store there were still coverage, obviously because many students have been have been politically active since then but on the ground in parkland. The when the cameras go away a lot of coverage goes and know, they weren't in the headlines anymore and no for us. It was about, you know, telling the longer story, you know, what is the next chapter. And you know, what was the sports angle for us. And, you know, here's a football coach, you know, who you know, who gave his life. To try and save children. Here's another football coast who on one day in an instant lost his assistant coach also lost his boss. The director who were both killed in the mass shooting. And you know, we wanted to know we wanted to sort of tell the story of of those relationships, but we also wanted to tell the story of you know, of of strength story of courage story of how do you move on? You know, how do you, you know, take these kids and and push forward in the aftermath of of something as horrific as that. We're speaking with Andy Tennant, the executive producer of e sixty which returned on Sunday to ESPN one at nine o'clock eastern time for its twelfth season. And as I said earlier, the show has evolved from twelve to fifteen shows year, you could find them in prime time. We never knew exactly when they were going to be on when the season was going to take place was it gonna be during football season not during football season. Now, we have. Schedule as we have had for last couple of years. We're on every Sunday morning on ESPN one. When football is not being played. And we're on ESPN two every Sunday morning when football is being played. Now, we're in the heart of it since the Super Bowl two weeks ago. How did the move from prime time to Sunday morning change the way, you think about what the show should be. That's a great question. I mean, I think for us. It was really always about having a consistent time slot. You know, I think when we were in prime time and often following sportscenter. You know, we were we were leading shows with our, you know, our signature profiles of the biggest athletes in sports, you know, bringing our fans up close and personal to these big stars in a way that you know, they they weren't being brought by our traditional studio shows. So, and that's really how we differentiate ourselves from the rest of ESPN. And also, you know from most of the sport shows that are out there when we moved the Sunday mornings. It was like we finally had the answer to the age old question for us is I love the show. I just have no idea when it's on. And so the fact that we're on in some capacity, whether it's ESPN or ESPN2. on a Sunday morning at nine o'clock. You know, it's just for us. It's a great way for people to wake up and to be told a great story that's going to set the tone for the rest of their day or for the rest of their week. And I think we really wanted to focus on you know, who is the audience on a Sunday morning versus who is the audience and a prime time during the week. And you know, what are the metrics telling us what who are the demos out there? And you know, I don't want to dive too deep into that. I it did it did force us to rethink the show a lot about you know, what was going on on Sundays. What's going on that we can set the tone for the week? Also, you know, what just provides great content that complements sportscenter which is on both before us and after us on Sundays speaking with Andy ten the executive producer v sixty and I say, you know, we go back. A long way we worked on pieces as reporter and producer twenty years ago. And if you did I'm not going to get into any specifics that might be barest to you, and you made some bad decisions about a little camera time, you gave me some things never change. But you know, we considered ourselves lucky back, then if we got seven minutes for peace that was long TV germs and somehow counter intuitively, the conventional wisdom being that the attention span of the audience gets smaller and smaller over time and digital distractions. You know, have made it harder to keep people's attention. All that are are stories. Now, we do twenty minutes stories all the time we do half hour shows on single topics all the time hours pretty frequently as well. There was a time. When people said that's too long for TV how did that philosophy evolve? Where there's almost no limit to the time allotted to a story. Listen, I I've said this before I think thirty for thirty was the game changer. In fact, you know, you asked how? You know, it was the most significant change between prime time and Sunday morning. You know, and a lot of it is the length of the pieces. You know, we we just we'd go more in depth. We dive deeper into these stories and into these characters we're on every week because we're on every week. But also, I think look when when the show was, you know, the idea for the show was originally being developed, you know, you know, a lot of executives here were were saying, you know, more story shorter stories, you know, look it within that hour to get like six or seven stories at like six to eight minutes because of the attention span that you were speaking of and, you know, then thirty for thirty figured out. It's really just the executives attention. That's right. But then, you know, thirty for thirty came along, and they were telling stories longer than anybody else at ESPN. And you know, the response was overwhelming. And we started to look at ourselves as storytellers and say, you know, you know, maybe we don't have this. Right. Maybe maybe shorter isn't better maybe longer as better. And so, you know, we really spent a lot of time think rethinking things considering the the success that our colleagues there had, and you know, and I think it's really been a game changer. It's has such such a significant impact not only on how we tell stories, but on how you know, everyone tells stories across the board sports speaking with Andy Tan, executive producer of e sixty which is on of course, every Sunday morning at nine eastern time on ESPN. It's twelfth season just underway last week with stories about Marjory stoneman Douglas high school parkland, Florida about Bob Kostas and his removal from the Super Bowl. Last year fascinating story conversation with Mark Famer, WADA. There's a lack coming up this year. There's lot coming up this season. But but more important than just promoting the show, which is kind of the concede here. I want to ask you, there's some talented people in the show. There's some great reporters or some great producers who's the best reporter on the show ably. Bob doesn't report cold he had to take a sabbatical. You needed to reflect not greatness is not a professor he needed to take months V hosts, he's a very capable our Allah, did, very brilliant. But it's I keep telling him, it's not a sabbatical. If you're not a professor, it's vacation, well, considering he's now giving the commencement speech. At Seton Hall in in may, I mean, you know, I think there is an honorary degree that goes along with says there isn't panoply. He's not shown up if they're not giving him some kind of degree. We should have him on next week to talk about this. But that was very deputy handled press. Andrew Tennant is the executive producer of e sixty back every Sunday morning on ESPN ESPN one at nine east. Eastern time. Any thank you for keeping me on the show. I appreciate it. Thank you. Jeremy was was in any way this better than a Harvard Cornell hockey game, I play obviously, I just watched those game shows laws reaction's going Cornell beats Harvard on the ice. I let's say that we worked for some Harvard guys. Don't like I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new additions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time. Message and data rates may apply. When did it become ok for men to be Lazier softer fatter? We need to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever with ageless male max a patent pending formula with an ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. Plus an amazing sixty four percent increase in nitric oxide, which can be handy in the gym and in the bedroom. Take your manhood to the max by trying. Your first thirty day bottle free just pay shipping and handling not ten days not fifteen days, but a full thirty days supply free. When you text the word dash to seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine finally a formula that boosts total testosterone if you'll results with ageless male max or two in tents, please decrease us for your free bottle. Text dash to seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine text D A S H two seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine.
Paul Brown, Diehard Browns Fan
"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, here's Jeremy shop, and if you've been paying attention to the NFL this season, you know, that the Cleveland Browns are experiencing success such as they have not experienced in several years. Fact, of course last season they did not win a game. And at about this time last year. I went to England to see the Browns play at Twickenham stadium. The home of English rugby to do a story about Browns fans from all over Europe. Who despite commonsense had remained loyal to the team foremost. Among those fans, we encountered a man named appropriately enough Paul Brown as in the founder of the Browns. And now that the Browns are as I said experiencing some success by their standards, anyway, recent standards. We thought it'd be good time to welcome Paul Brown to the sporting life, Paul. Thank you for joining us. Jeremy how are you? I'm good. It's good to see you again what coming up to a one year anniversary. We really are. Well, what was the exact date? You remember when we got together that game at Twickenham? It was late October wasn't it. And I remember it was a lovely day out into them. It wasn't a great game though. It was not a great game. It was a skit for. So so to recap you are a very dedicated loyal Browns fan, and you have organized some of your fellow Browns fans in the United Kingdom. Why why the Browns Paula than your name oversleep when it comes to pick it attain a choice of tune that was the Bengals will the Browns because Paul Brown founded the Bengals as well. As the Browns, of course. I went with the the Browns mud dogs from higher as well. Okay. Okay. And Brown pull Brown Siwa if I had to the Browns. There's no other teams German. You didn't really have a choice is what you're saying. Not. In when when did this when did this fandom when did I come to life? When did you become a Browns fan through and through is about fifteen years ago? My best friend went to the states, and I offered him to buy me, some NFL t shirts and the options raiders, blah, blah, blah. He came back with a Browns Asia, and that was the first ever those. I those the first step and then probably over the last three years really stepped up my involvement of the NFL. And yeah, absolutely. Love it at the moment. We're speaking with Browns fan Paul Brown from his office in London. That you know of all the teams, you know, the Browns have given their fans over last several years the least really to cheer about what was it like this year. To see them finally win. Again, the the win against the jets. It was it was a one o'clock here in England. And I finished about four o'clock afterwards we meet at night people. Yes. One o'clock at night. It was night game one o'clock in the morning ending at four o'clock in the morning. It was absolutely absolutely buzzing. A bottle of champagne out a went out in the so spray champagne and other than sleep that night. I just kept on go. I went to the next morning, and yeah, it was absolutely amazing. Failing. Are you a little discombobulated is little disorienting to see the Browns occasionally playing well as they have over the course of last seven eight weeks well lost year. Even though we went zero sixteen we did come close games. So like this season we have gone into. In good full times this year we've and it's been a drone him pumping. And it's been great to get the wins. So yeah, you know, Jeremy changes come in. But before the wind correct me if I'm wrong, I have to admit I. I've kind of lost track of the Browns this season. Although I've been essentially like our Brown's correspondent for while with the Browns backers piece in the Joe Thomas stuff that I did free sixty. But there was the tie before the win yet. What would that feel like for you? I mean, we ties up until this season had been quite unusual in American professional football. I think it's a few times this as in. We got a second Cy we will be over time. Yeah. That that was crazy. It was. I thought we're gonna win it. We lose up. We lose it. And then we go time the end, it was the state is it was crazy, but you're use that being in English football fan as well. It's a fair point. Jeremy, I always take the Mickey the American football. You never get drool. And this was my first purple proper draw as a Browns fan. I kind of remember they are unusual. We're speaking with Paul Brown. And are you currently still the president of the Browns backers UK, I'm not the president now Kelly Burgess is the president by tremendous applause, much, possibly can are you the CFO COO CEO. Do we have any kind of title in the Browns backers fall, just just one of the most passionate and? Energize defy. We have in the in the U Jain. Look I had a good time last year when I was in London with you guys. It was a good group of Browns fans seemed people were motivated for the right reasons to cheer for a team that had given them so little achier for in the recent past. Are you guys still hanging out intra Falgu square that pub for the game? So that's still the main viewing spot, actually, that's the public. Give us when NFL comes to London. Okay. So that's that's for the all Browns fans when the NFL comes to London or all just NFL fans go there, you have to pubs dedicated to the team's, okay? Whatever the teams are NFL Mike money out. Anyway, I see. Okay. So that's like an official vets. Now where you are typically on Sundays we go to the hippodrome every Sunday, and we get approached my fifty to one hundred Browns funds and that can be a mixture fifteen twenty. Guys from the states on holiday, and then thirty heartcall UK fons into. That's where you were when the jets wind took place, you know, that it was. So it was a Thursday night game. I won't shift from. Oh, that's right. It was four in the morning. That's right. That's right. So so how the community of Browns fans react to the win. It was. It was crazy. I've LeBron James every celebrity relates wise. I I mean, the English community of Browns fans. Yeah. We were. We were all up drinking at four o'clock in the morning. We're all on Skype having a party. It was it was it was Boston. We will like electric. What are your thoughts? Now about the rookie Baker Mayfield. Yeah. He's looking great. And they pay. Grades coming for very strong. I think. Yeah. Talk to would we could have potentially Super Bowl winning cool back in the next five is hopefully what gives you so much confidence. We've good defense. We've go the potential go young team. We've got cap space changes Hatton end Hugh Jackson, which when I host my show is a pro Hugh Jackson show. It become to the end of his time at the Browns. And that could be another change speaking with Paul Brown thing. Lynch Browns fan who so passionate about the team is featured in story we did last year on e sixty about Browns fans in Europe. Are the Browns the Browns shown up in London this year? I can't remember what what are they doing? Now. I think we've hog knocks Jeremy dot means. We don't have. Well, they have to come to come over. We've got the big game on Sunday, which is the Jags bussey. Right. That's here. That's this week this Sunday. Yes. Are you going chair knuckle secret for y'all went on Sundays watch the titans versus the charges a game the week before I was in Cleveland? And I went the chargers on I then came back to Wembley charges a guy I work out in the I corps. Like, this isn't FLA me. I want to be back with the Browns. Don't want to be what should unusual game. Well, Paul, I'm sure that. The powers that be on Park Avenue at the NFL offices. Appreciate your phantom your commitment to American professional football. Amid the sea of obviously English football fans where you live in where you work big picture question. Paul before we let you go does American football ever become mainstream in the UK about this the bite before I don't think it will. I think the talk of London having a attame white wakes of the season. Don't think it's going to have to Jeremy we're gonna get the funds full Jagua to philistinism especially when blaze so big we can fill it three full five times a year. But I really think we're gonna struggle wakes of dedicate Janke funds going what about just as the way that the premiership in particular among global soccer leagues as we call. It has become a valuable television rights property in the United States American pro football, Kennedy Kennedy chief that level of success in the UK. Yes, I think it can go through cycles. I think in the nineties it was big drop. And then the NFL is now injected while of marketing and results. The London guy record. What's the final record for the Browns this year? I'm gone wave. Six wins. Six wince. Okay. That's realistic. Feels attainable. Jeremy una give you an exclusive a world exclusive. Jeremy, yes, sir. Next season. I'm gonna try and go to many games can. And I'm going to do a TV program. You're going to do a TV program. Based off of your experiences attending all the Browns games on TV program. I'm gonna fly over to the states probably six eight times. Do some home games away games road trips with the fines and go out to Europe? Maybe a straight here. Meet fans Browns fans to the world that sounds like it should be fun. I certainly know number Browns fans who would be interested in participating. If you need a need a voice over guy available for very reasonable rates. Paul Jeremy Arkansas out some bands when he comes to London next. Paul Brown Browns fan. Thank you for joining us, sir. Thanks very much. Jeremy I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.
Create The Future (with Jeremy Gutsche)
"Stays up so that the accident occurred. Podcast brought to you by fresh books. To see how fresh books conceive you time and boost your creativity. Good afresh books dot com slash accidental. And the accident. Creative now did you hear about this section about talking again the beginning to look in the room. Welcome to the accident created podcast. My Name Is Henry. I'm your host. I'm also the author of a bunch of books. The accidental creative die empty louder than words and hurting tigers. And on the show. We talk about you and your creative process and how to think differently about the way you bring yourself to your work. Every day as a create on demand professional I mean. That's that describes. Most of us we have to go to work. We have to solve problems. We have to invent things. Make things designed things and were under pressure to do that on time on budget it has to be better than last time to our clients. Expect more and more regardless of what it costs us to do that and I think there you know there are tremendous number of pressures that we have to deal with when we live in the creed on demand world on this show. We talk about that and your creative process how you lead how you interact with others how you collaborate how you think differently about your work and bring yourself more fully to what you do. And that's why I'm excited for today's conversation. React Jeremy Gucci. Jeremy is the CEO of trend Hunter. He's the author of several New York Times bestselling books and he has a new book. That's called create the future tax disruptive thinking as well as the innovation handbook which is a reworking of his book exploiting chaos. It's revised and updated. Its phenoms a double book. You can flip it over. Its got a book on the other side and on today's show. We're going to talk about what Jeremy has learned. 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Jeremy Gucci Jeremy is somebody. I've been following with great admiration for very long time and Just so impressed with the work that he and his company of done. He's the CEO of trend Hunter. He's the author of veteran faster which was A. I don't know global bestselling. Megan trend whatever book just like absolutely blew the doors off the charts and his new book is called the future and innovation. Handbook is actually a double book which is really really cool. Like I started reading it. I got halfway through and like. Why are the words upside down? Oh there's a book on the other side. That's so cool. Jeremy Welcome to the accent critic podcast while thanks for having me on. And it's a special honor because I reference to you todd I in actual book itself so to land this podcast. It was like you know working dreams in the making coming to. I was so like when you when you reach out to me about that. That is so unbelievably cool. Because as I said I mean I know we're sort of engaging in mutual admiration society. Whatever whatever here but like I I I love your work I have been following you and your talks your speeches. Your work with trend hunter sorted orbited each other's worlds because we have some mutual friends. And we're kind of partisan groups together and stuff but I'll tell you I'm so excited about this book and I love how practical it is before we dive into it. Though I would love it could you? Could you share a little bit of background for people about your work? I mean what is trend? Hunter whether you do you what what is involved in the work in the life of Jeremy Gutsche sure. Well I mean the T. l. VR's at Trent Hunter became the world's largest trend site. But this story. That is probably a little bit. More relatable or fun is that I was just trying to find my little business idea and I didn't know what it could be and so before youtube before facebook. I coated up a place called Trent Hunter where people from around the world could share business ideas and I thought maybe some trend Hunter in South America or a trend Hunter and Asia would submit the little concept. That would inspire me. And what I didn't expect is that the US would go from thousands to millions to billions and then it would become what it is but at the same time because I was searching for an idea so desperately I had sort of a world and experience that was all in innovation. That's where you end up. If you can't figure out what you WANNA do. And I studied relentlessly trying to find that idea and in two thousand eight I had published my first book called exploiting chaos which was how chaos creates opportunity. And I was doing that at the same time. Is Trent Hunter? And it's kind of like passion project but what I didn't really expect is that the world would become very chaotic and all of sudden I started getting invited by fortune. Five hundred CEOS. To help them reinvent he helped one. You help ten you get help. Fifty one hundred two hundred and and Pretty Soon. I was the chaos guy so that's a decade and a bit ago and now Trent hunters grown and I'm onto the was getting onto the third book and I thought about high really liked that chaos book except I would totally rewrite it if I could for modern day. Chaos and all the new tactics experience. We have Sort of seeing in this new era where him. And that's why did a double book so on one side. It is all new. Create the future tactics for disruptive thinking and on the other side if you flip it over it's called the innovation handbook and it's a total rewrite of my word winner exploiting chaos from a long time ago. Which is I mean. In and of itself is very cool and innovative. Yo the fact that it's a double book so I want to dive into some of the concepts and create the future people who are listening to. This show are their marketers. They're leading organizations. They're entrepreneurs there are people who are designing in and they are. They're sort of tasked with creating the future and so I think you know the difference really that you kind of call out in. This book is the difference between creating the future and just kind of reacting to it a reacting to what happens but you talk about these. These path depends these traps of path dependency that we can easily fall prey to share with us. What is that what? What do you mean by path dependency while the reality is that were finer own routes to success but we do get caught in a groove path? The metaphor uses that a million years of hunting. We know how to hunt. We have our hunter instinct. Ten thousand years ago we became farmers and because of that we have ten thousand years of evolution. Where once we become successful. We start to repeat whatever led to last year's success and I could Illustrate that to a couple of different ways but MC favorite one might be horse butts and rocket ships. How does that sound? That sounds amazing. I can't wait okay. So the thing about it is is that there's no horses in space except you and I being clever and creatives just like the people listening you should all expect there to be two horses in space and you should expect them to be four foot eight and a half inches wide and the reason why you should expect that is because NASA made the solid rocket boosters to be the with of of based on two butts and they didn't do it coincidentally did it specifically because that's the width of two horses. And if you want to know why it seems really weird. But you'd have to go back to the Roman empire the Romans controlled the most land because they patrol it with a two-horse Roman war chariot which tore up the highways throughout Europe creating ruts in the road. And if you're a little farmer and you broke away and we all in those ruts you'd need to make new wagon and if you're clever little farmer you'd measure the width of those rats and that there are four foot eight and a half inches wide just like the width of the Roman war chariots. So Pretty Soon. All the wagons or four foot eight and a half inches wide we have railways for pulled by horses for gold mining to pull carts out of the mind and they go on rails that are four eight and a half inches wide Europeans. Make the first trains many of them on tracks that are for eight and a half inches wide Americans experiment with a couple different widths of tracks but eventually stick with four hundred eight and a half inches wide. We got the tracks globally for bigger. Better faster trains but definitely saddle on four foot. Eight and a half inches wide and so in NASA needs to move the solid rocket boosters from Utah Down to Florida for a lodge have to put them on tracks that are forfeit eight and a half inches wide. And that it's if you look at the solid rocket boosters overlap the width of the track a little bit but it doesn't change the fact that there with is determined by two horses butts and it kind of goes to show you that everyone wants innovation to happen but we are more dependent on our past decisions than we like to think. And this is what I would use as my favorite metaphor for half the pendency. And there's a whole bunch of different factors that cause us to be packed the pennant and your goal as creative as how would you think disruptive Lee and no those traps so that you can break them but in one of the things you talk about book is that are you would think that success would position you to have a better purview to be able to see what the future is going to be right because you often you have more data you have more resources? You're positioned in a place where you're seeing more of the DOTS and yet often leaders market leaders are the greater risk of missing out on these trends or on the future. Why is that the case? Why is it that the people you would think have the best view of the future actually miss out on it? So if you're successful you might be good at predicting the future and somebody else's market but in your own market. Ironically you become terrible and that's why Smith Kern invented the laptop word processor grammar-checker spell checker by Kodak invented the Digital Camera why blockbuster video started pioneering online video when you're in a given market you're really good at innovating sure but then you dismiss the potential of these new ideas. They seem awkward. Compared to what you know. And so as a result you just think the world will move a little bit slower and you don't worry about pouncing on things or you already tried it and so you give up. And these traps caused us to miss out. But they're rooted in all sorts of little things One of them. The traps of successes. That you just start having so many best practices in your life. You WanNa be disciplined and consistent and you have a certain strategy for coming up with an idea or evaluating concept and you compare that new concepts to the awkward awkward new concept to what's been working and then this causes you to just dismissed and there's more depth to how that works and how to break out of it but fundamentally that's what happens we see this over and over again in the marketplace. I mean it's funny like even if you read Jim Collins's book built to last and you look at the companies he selected for that and you're where are they now kind of thing or or good to great rate or great by choice and he's all of Jim. Collins is books like the company's he selected for that period when he did the research they certainly were you at the peak of their game. But it's funny if you look at them. Now it's almost like some of the roles have reversed and and it's it's just interesting. How difficult it is to maintain that innovative edge as an organization? When you've achieve some kind of innovative breakthrough seems like we tend to sort of circle the wagons around that breakthrough and we sort of forget what it is that got us to where we are in the if we take that book and his research and you look at companies in the seventies and the eighties and the nineties want us to want to work at a blue chip company because it was stable and predictable success. What is a blue chip company? Now you don't even hear that word anymore and this is why if you look at the probably heard some of these stats but if you look at the nineteen fifties list of the fortune. Five hundred. Eighty average lifespan was seventy five years. And that's fallen to fifteen and if you look at the list from even the year two thousand more than half of those companies are gonNA displaced out off the list from two thousand. Two thousand seems like yesterday. But what happens is that these companies were made to farm. Something that was working and harvested and so they're rooted in discipline. And unfortunately that's not what you need. In today's more disruptive faster changing world you need disruptive thinking yeah. I think that's something all of us can think about like where my farming you're wherever I set up a farm when I need to be training myself to hunt and you can do both right but but you can't abandon hunting for the sake of farming You know one of the things you talk about the book to are the sort of how we have neurological shortcuts that limit our ability to innovate or to think about the future. What are some of those neurological shortcuts? And how they affect us. Oh I love our neurological shortcuts. That's probably my favorite part book and the research so when you look at what distinguishes humans from animals effectively. We can make new neural pathway. And learn something new and the way that happens. Is that if you try and practice something whether it's picking up a tennis racket or a new new hobby you fumble around those first few times and then once you start to practice your brain sees that you're going to do this over and over and so it paves your new little pathway with a little highway of mylan islands like a white fatty tissue. It's forty percent of your brain matter by battled age. But what happens? Is the more you practice? Something the more you hard in that pathway to make you better and faster and that that new pathway can be a hundred times faster than something new so when you're good at something it's a hundred times easier for you to repeat exactly you did before and I can. I can demonstrate it in a fun. Little weights kind of tacky. I know you're listening to a podcast. But you'll dodge me if you try as fast as you can cross your arms. Just Cross your arms very quickly you. You don't even think about it. It's easy got it. You've done it a thousand times no big deal. But now I'm cross your arms and then as fast as you can. Competitively is if you're in a race cross your arms. The exact opposite way the exact opposite way. And what you'll find is that it's not impossible for you but you probably only have your mylan pathway practiced on the other side so when you try something as simple as crossing your arms the other way your brain has to just think about it. Where do I put my arm and put it on the other side? And that's something ultra simple as we start getting to things that are more intellectual. What happens is that difference becomes more pronounced. And you don't even realize your brain's tendency to just take the shortcut. Yeah I did that by the way as you were describing it. As very difficult I had to try a couple of times to get it right but I think that we I mean this is part of the human condition right like we are. We are wired to wired for comfort. We are as human beings and we were wired for for settling into what's working Because you know we don't you disruption in in older times disruption or discomfort -ment potential death or at the very least like disease or ostrich ostrich Z. Ostracisation alienated from our our tribe. And so we are wired to seek a more a more comfortable path and talk about that. You talk about the ease of inaction how easy it is for us to be inactive. How does that affect us? Well when we start learning on all of these little traps whether it's neuro psychology the traps if you're a success. The subtlety of disruptive ideas these things start layering on one after another. And then we get to the very final point where you'd actually need to break free from all your traps and do something and the final trap that kicks in. I like to say is just the ease of action and these are in action is the fact that it's easy. Do nothing all at all. Because you've got your business you've got your life you've got to pick up the kids after school you've got a million eight meetings that get set up and you just start layering all these things in and as much as it makes sense that I should think destructively -ly think about what's next. I just can get caught in the routine of what needs to be done. And that's the saddest ending to your dreams and aspirations in this reality that you have so much potential within your grasp so many interesting pathways. You could be on but with the tracks combined with you being busy. It's easy not to get there so you really need to find the motivation. Push harder act sooner and never give up and really just internalized that you're capable of more than you think. Yeah I think the word unsettled kind of has a negative connotation in culture but one of the things I always tell people strive to be unsettled because I think when you start to feel settled. I think that's when you are in danger of slipping into some of these rope behaviors and farming the past at the expense of the future. But I think we sort of have to discipline ourselves as creatives and as innovators to be unsettled not allow ourselves to grow complacent. Yeah absolutely. I think that It's unique in this time period of history because the barriers to entry from one market to the next head lowered have not been obliterated and actually I haven't found them all calculation. We but if you try and turn lies some of the trends of globalization and you took English speaking literate people with Internet access and you Kinda multiply those together. We Have Twenty fifteen to twenty times more people that are English picking Internet connected literate compared to the two thousand and so that's Kinda wild stat to realize that not only are there more partners competitors collaborators out there but it's also much easier to enter a new market than ever and so it's kind of a world of disruptor be disrupted but I like to think of the optimistic side of realizing that right now. If you have a dream or curiosity you contested can test it. You can play around with it and hopefully find your next level. Yeah fantastic so I know a lot of people right now are probably listening to this at their desk or maybe they're on their way to work right now. What is something Jerem? I mean the book is so full of practical tips and exercises and things you can do but what is something people could do today to that would challenge them to think about the future in a different way as they engage in their work and I one of my favorite exercises. The book has dozens of different workshops that are about looking at your world from different perspectives. And how would you imagine that Let's say facebook disrupts you. How'd you imagine Patagonia would approach your market? How and the concept of looking at your world from multiple perspectives can lead you to some fresh thinking but they example to convince you the one. If you're in that status of on your way to work or at work that I'd say is fun is take a second to write down all the things that you can do with a paper clip and then pause this podcast come back but what I find is if you think about what you can do with a paper clip. I run this exercise with dozens of keynotes that I've done probably a hundred actually to be honest that I've done two. I've done this test. You say what can you do with the paper clips? You'll find called alternative uses test by the way from the nineteen fifties. But what you'll find. Is that the average group of adults gets about ten or fifteen ideas and that the weird part is I can predict the ideas and in any group Argon predict ninety percent of the ideas put up a slide. And they're they are and people say you can pick a lock you can make it a weapon. You can odd. Ejecta SIM card. You can make necklace you do hearings you can trade it where you can a full paper and you can hang a Christmas ornament. Maybe but here's what's weird. I can predict what every group will say why. That's weird. Is that the average group of kindergarten. Kids can get to two hundred ideas and so if you do that test with your colleagues earn your office. What you'll be surprised at is. That list is in fact predictable. And it is in fact. Ten or fifteen and the reason why it's an illustration of our mylan and the traps of our brain works. Which is that you could if you were really pushed. Come up with more than fifteen ideas or if you were asked to say you need two hundred or a few years tools to look at your problem from different perspectives but if you go to any other group and ask them that's what you'll get and it's because our brains shortcuts in a way where it doesn't even show us the other ideas that are within our potential and that's what the paper. Clint when you start applying that concept to your world and your life. What it means is that you do have other ideas with in your grasp but these aren't the little ideas that someone's squished. It's that your brain won't even show you because of the desire to act quickly however if you do workshops or look at your problems from different perspectives. You can actually get to new thinking and find out what you're capable of Jeremy. Gucci is the CEO of Trend Hunter. He is the author of create the future tactics for Disruptive Thinking Jeremy where can people find you if they wanna come find you online while I guess trend Hunter is the main site that has all of our content about half a million ideas free to cruise through and if you go to create the Future Book Dot Com? It's got some of the links to Amazon But also it has the area where you can get the free extras if you choose to get the book. So Cup lecture little digital goodies just to sort of sweeten the experience wonderful. Jeremy thanks so much for taking the time to be with us today. Well thanks for inviting me todd. And there's always thank you for listening if you like this episode. Mcsherry subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Or ACCIDENTAL DOT com slash. Subscribe remember friends. Cover band still change the world? Don't be a cover band. Find Your Voice if you WanNa try. We'll see you next academic.
"And Al is bringing in right now actor in now comedian Jeremy Piven was going to be stained up comedy over that one over there over there. Hey Jeremy has gone all right. Stand up comedy at the Cape Playhouse at Hunter College of course entourage fame of old school fame. Was that movie where you were in there was at P. C. You remember that one absolutely politically correct university. That's the first time that I saw was that movie. This guy's got like Intel hint energy. You stole the show in that movie thank you you took a lot of that same character and and made a career out of that real intense dude that ends up being. Ari Gold which of course was era your number one character that people recognized you by now yeah and that that guy really exists as we know and he's heavily into the sports world are Emmanuel ended up being the force behind purchasing the the UFC so that guy really exists and I'm just a stage actor from Chicago. That's basically it right now. I was just what's so fascinating about. This world is as walking in he goes. Oh by the way it's also TV show. It is okay well. I've got a face for radio and also I didn't know that I love it. It just all happening at the same time well. That's okay I mean. How many times have you been on TV and movies? You actually care to where you look now you did everybody knows your face. You look fine better than we do everyday come. I'm on that's not true. I wouldn't go that far right now. Whereas a lot of making a lot of makeup Phil Simms. I didn't know what was happening. I don't know nothing good. That's right but yeah. No fill is boy. I'll tell you what his skin is. Just bad. Ah Here's here's the thing you're going into comedy. Now is kind of like a is it something you always wanted to do or you feel like you need to do it now. Well it's interesting because I grew up in Chicago and I was on the stage second city doing sketch comedy and so that's part of my background. I'm an improvisational oppositional actor and you know all roads lead to stand up at this point is it's the only arena that I haven't done. I love doing it and you know. People see my name and they go. What is it a screening. Is it a what is it and it's it's stand up. It's observational humor in stories and impressions in it's an hour of comedy so let me ask you yeah from my perception of this is that you're a guy who had big roles in movies big roles on TV then there's some accusations that come along you you have denied them to every degree a lie detector test all of that then. I see you doing this and I'm thinking is Jeremy piven going this route because he's he's being locked out of Hollywood. Because of these accusations will that would be my percents and we all know that perception can be bullcrap most of the time where where where does my perception land in the round. Will you know what's interesting is that I I've been doing stand up for years and it's something where for instance with entourage you brought up earlier. I'm always trying to finesse odile. Get my own stuff in and this is a wave of writing your entire story yourself. You're the writer director everything it's it's the same engine but a different gear and for me when people come out and I've been very lucky to tour the country and sold out houses and having a blast and when people oh come up to me afterwards and they go. I had no idea you were this funny. It's a backhanded compliment because I've been a performer since I was eight years old and this is a way of writing my own stuff if you know the accusations accusations were serious in the last two years would probably have been very difficult for union did take that lie detector test the polygraph test and you stand by that test where whereas all of this now where what does this done to you and what does it done to your reputation in the world of Hollywood well. All I know is that you know you're talking about something. That happened a couple of years ago and some of the season they didn't sticks with you though it's a couple years ago and and you know we all face you know speed bumps in the road and it's one of those things where it's been a real blessing for me because I did two hundred and fifty shows last year. I I really have learned how to become a stand up comic and I would love for you guys to come and see my show and this is the way life is. We all have these moments. I know who I am. You know and we don't know each other. This is like the second time we've ever sat down and you know when life throws you something you have to you know I because I have literally nothing to hide. I'm up on stage telling my truth being as president having an interaction with the audience that I didn't get to have before because you know if you're on a set or on location you don't get to have the interaction with the audience and now I get that and it's a blessing talking to Jeremy Piven in studio. He is at Hunter College. The Cape playhouse Saturday September twenty first doing doing a standup comedy. Show your touring the country so I'm sure there's other dates that you'll be performing the same show around the city so you you don't feel like you've been pushed out on fairly from doing stuff you. WanNa do. That's the only it's it's one of those things where I swear to you. I never would have had this this much time to dedicate to craft you know I was one of these guys who would go from one job to the next and have been very lucky to be you know pretty I prolific and worked my whole life one job to the next and to be able because what I would do is get off set and then I'd go right and and do a set of stand up and I'd be standing up author going God. I'm exhausted fourteen hour day of shooting and then here I am doing stand up in and what am I doing and it's all led to this. You know to be able to dedicate dedicate this much time to stand up as a gift and I love it and I'm having the time my life so I that's. That's the last I'll ask and then I'll believe you that this is. This is something that you've always wanted to do and I feel I feel like with your career and this is a compliment to you. I feel like your career that you could do whatever you want you know and if it sometimes sometimes to choose like the live bouncing around the country act. I I mean e e what you don't understand. Is that before you knew who I was I was I was. That's what I actually am. Right is a stage performer. That's my training in Chicago. on the stage from the time. I was as a child and then I learned how to act in front of a camera and then now I'm going back to my route so there's nothing better than as you guys know were in the golden age of comedy comedy right now. People are are needing to laugh more than ever nope you. Don't you know we're we're living in very very strange times. You know as as we all know and so so you know the way I i. I provide this sound very pretentious but I feel like I provide a real service. These people come out and I make them laugh and they forget about everything for about an hour and I get to meet him and hang out with them and you know and also they've come out not because of me as a stand up. They come out because of their connection with me. I made at them laugh. You know in movies are our gold or whatever and then I get to show them. What I feel is funny and it's all coming for me and that's incredibly gratifying was October of two thousand seventeen that you and I did run into each other showtime and say. NFL Yeah and I know you were promoting a show at that point in time and you were great and then the next day so you know all these accusations started in your world and all of a sudden your world got turned upside down and yeah. I think that's kind of what we're trying to find out here. Like how are you doing now and I know that you have basically defended yourself and you're not hiding. You're out there. You're out. You're out to actually trying to you know because I because boomer I've nothing to hide him when and when you have something to hide you do indeed hide and you know I I'm just lucky that I have this incredible outlet number performer and that's what I'm doing. I'm performing. I'm going to college on the twenty first and can be interacting with people and it's amazing. You know what's interesting is basically on this show. We do it every day for hours and we our selves. Whatever happens in our lives where ourselves for you in your career it's different? I mean you play other characters and the character and entourage. This was a guy who was very brash. She didn't have a respect for a lot of people I mean there. Was You know the character and explained to you. You feel like that. Some people think because you played played that character so well for so long that you have become synonymous with that person that people think that that's you in real life in when someone accuses you of something like that character they're on. TV would definitely do this. Stop so it has to be something that is somewhat near the truth. You know I think we can make ourselves crazy by trying to figure out I think it's very unhealthy to to focus on how we're perceived is my job to play characters authentically as possible that's my job is to be on time and to be prepared to over deliver. That's the only reason you guys even know who I am and I've spent my life doing that and I will continue to do it. No matter what your your perception is or anyone else's so you know I'm a huge sports fan. I'm here because I'm a fan of you. Guys and you know I it would would be my honor to have you guys. Come out and check out my stand up because people that come out and see it they go. Oh my God okay well. This is what you should be doing facade of you. Well they see who I I I actually am and and it's you know it's me for an hour talking to people and letting them know what I think is funny and telling them stories uh of about sets on the road growing up whatever doing impressions and I'm having a time of my life you know what I mean and that's the way life should be. We all face hardships. Every one of US and mind is no greater than anyone else's on. I'm not more special than anyone. You know we've we. We've we've watched people time and in time again be taken to their knees and you either get up or you don't and it's my honor to be able listen when I go in and and sell out places everywhere I go when I get to connect with people and make them laugh. There's nothing better so what would I possibly have to complain about. I could sit there and complain all day but no one I remember they. They asked Robert Parish who played in the NBA longer than anyone they said. How did you do it. You played longer than anybody and and never complained and he goes. I would love to complain. No one cares no-one. No one really does no one cares and so. Why would I complain you guys. I've been a working actor my whole life non-working standup and I get to make people laugh you know. was there a point where you were were like in the initial beginning where that complaining was going on and you realize you had to change yourself or did you have like those coping mechanisms right off the backs. It's not an easy thing to do. It isn't an easy thing to do but I think I think like anything else if you can. This is gonNA sound like a horrible. Ted Talk but if you can if you can the go inward and quite the noise is an own your own truth and navigate that way as opposed to being afraid of how you might be perceived. That's that's real and people can sense it. There's an energy in vibration that you have when you're living in the truth and in Grayson and here we are talking about this on sports radio and I apologize for that no but if you come out two hundred dollars on the twenty-first you'll be able to see me doing my comedy having a blast and and you'll see why I love to do this so much. Do you'll ever forget back into acting again or poof or like I love it. I know now I know. You're such a great quarterback. You are relentless. No I appreciate. I appreciate actor actor. Thank you buddy entourage. Thank you man I mean that's the thing I mean I. I know that you love this. I know that part of what you do on stage is acting as well. It was entertaining. It still has its live action. You're there on the you know the vibe from your audience and everything else yeah. I'm just I'm just wondered you ever see yourself getting back into not uh not not only boomer. You guys don't know my life. I just finished a movie. I'm about to start one in New York. I'm starring in one in January with an Academy Award Award winning director the you know not only my acting but I will never give up standard. That's good good yeah because you know it's. It's my honor to perform form and you know that that's that's why I'm here. I know it sounds very pretentious but that's why I'm here. I am relentless by the way you are. You are a hundred percent now now. It does seem like you know in your responses you have you have done a lot of self reflection yes. That's the word thank you that self reflection reflection. You have gotten to a point. I mean that that that stuff is you know quite frankly it it it. It stinks to go through that because it's it's not you know doesn't in fact I would dare. I say that I think it's that all of us should do that yeah but doesn't know it's not easy. It's difficult. Nothing nothing. That's worthwhile look at boomer. I you know he's been doing since he was eight years old and if he wasn't the best player of you know on every field is ever stepped on and hasn't I if he you didn't suck it up. He wouldn't be sitting in that seat. Your you know what I mean and if self-reflection was easy if meditation was easy figuring out who you are in this life was Z. Z. It's difficult because it's worthwhile biggest change that you made for yourself. You felt like this about me. I don't like I got it and this is. This has become something else so different than sports. I love it. Sorry what was the biggest change that we all right. Do you do yourself reflection. Yeah you find you don't like about yourself. You want to change. What was the biggest thing in for you. I think I think it's very easy I grew up in a household where both my parents teachers and directors and actors and so I've been on the stage my whole life and I think we you you put a a serious weight on on how you're perceived in terms is your performance the reviews and you know that's that's natural and I come from you know an acting family where we take it very seriously and we honor the space that we occupy when you perform so you want to be you want to be recognized for good work and hard work and I think when you do that too much when worry about how you're perceived too much. It's a slippery slope and I think that was part of owning who I am. which is I'm going to work as hard as I can be be the best person I can and the rest of it? I can't control and I think that's I think it's good for anyone really no matter what situation sure but I mean it's at times. It's damn near impossible all right because I mean really because we're gonNA business to where what people think of US matters with the audience like it or not or have some sort of reaction losses here like it matters so every day could show up here and be like I don't care what people think but in the long run. I'm going to have to at some point because these people are making making decisions on my life. You know what I'm saying like. It's just I don't know how you got there because I'm I've failed miserably trying to get there. I got there I. I don't know I get good days and bad days. You know I'm sorry seven. I'm still working it out and trying to figure it out you know yeah. I mean listen. It's it's a process all of us. Are you know Um we're trying to figure it out and then we're trying to evolve as best we can and be and be decent people and that's that's all we can you know really in this life and stand up comedy sorry to get back to why we're here is is an arena where I've truly believe it's right now especially and I'm sure you guys know this as well. It's really the last arena where you can embrace your freedom of speech. You guys like Dave Chapelle out there or speaking the truth is he knows it and you know what I mean yeah and he's getting some flak for but you know he's he's out there embracing his freedom of speech bill burr embracing his freedom of speech and and that's what we have to do we you know we wave the flag and we say that we're free and we need to be. We need you know t to say what we believe in this life. You know we shouldn't be crushed for it. Is there anything that you hold back in this show because the maybe that perception out there like I'm not ready to do. Maybe this or that or you just I mean you're unleashed initial. I I'm unleashed and that's you know I think if you're not you're limiting yourself as as a performer former and I think that's you know you know naming some of the grace that I did before when you look at Chapelle. He's letting his hands go to use a sports reference. I'll just dabbling sports for because I think this is a sports show. Forgive me for Dabbling in sports but he's letting his hands go because you know he's and that's when a performer was working on his highest level or when an athlete were gonNA size level you know when they're in the zone if you will if you're worried about how you're perceived you know at any given moment moment. You're going to get in your own way and you're not going to be in that zone. I think you know I'm I'm. All actors are frustrated athletes. You know I played high school. Football at five nine was a linebacker viciously mediocre. I could never make it but that you know that Dr in that that that work ethic that I had transferred over into into acting and and to stand up Jeremy Piven Saturday September twenty first performing at Cape playhouse at Hunter College area where you can get tickets. You WanNa tell people about the website or any anything like that. What is the website for one hundred dollars. Do we know you can go to Jeremy Piven DOT COM and Jeremy. Yep and and get tickets that way but you can also go to one hundred college website that I don't know at this exact moment but I know there's a you have a team of experts that can help all right very good so yeah check out. Jeremy PIVEN DOT COM for more dates in ticket Saturday September twenty first at Hunter College luck to you. Thank you. Thank you Jeremy Piven on the C._B._S. sports network.
Jim Stuckey, Former Clemson DT
"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef. Be gave this week on the American sports landscape is the college football championship taking place Monday night in the bay area Clemson and Alabama for the fourth season in a row meeting in the college football playoff, and we're joined now by Clemson football legend to discuss the match up our old friend the two time Super Bowl champion. The all American Jim study, Jim thank you for being with us. Jeremy idea was so good be with you guys. And I'll be out there in the bay area at the end of the week. So this would be great. Well, it's also great, right? Your college team is playing in the stadium in which your professional team now plays. So so you you've got it all coming together this week in a sense tell you what I should do. And it's going to be so nice to be out there and to to root these guys on Clemson against Alabama and to come out. There. I was out there five times last year. So I know my way around the stadium pretty well. Now, Tim stuck you wouldn't Super Bowls with the forty Niners and Super Bowl sixteen and Super Bowl nineteen is a defensive tackle. He was all American at clips, and he was the first round draft pick. Jim what were your thoughts watching your Tigers demolish Notre Dame? Well, you know, I mean coming into a Jeremy I thought it would have been a lot closer. And I guess everybody to I'd and wanted to see how. Could handle Notre Dame's running game with Doug lawns on not being available to play and of of the guys today fantastic job there? And I mean the defense guy after coats Bengals defensive coordinator at Clemson had a great game plan. And we we rent some really good blitzes, but the other guys stepped up to and and but it was nice and watching Trevor Lawrence and some of these freshmen wide receivers. They just play great. You know, the tall rangy? You know? I guess I'm a believer in a wide receiver. You is Clemson university. And you're still you're close to the program. I mean, you're you're you keep a close eye on what's going on. Absolutely. No. I do and been involved with the program, and I just love what Devo, sweetie. Our head coach is done with a program. How he's moved it forward in the last ten years as been nothing short of meteoric. And and our rise and sustainability to to stay there really at that top. And you know, the top has been just phenomenal. And it's it's a great credit to him and his coaches staff and the type of student athletes that he recruits and who play Clemson, what do you think that the matchup facing Alabama again? Of course, you guys have gone back and forth last couple of years two years ago, Clemson winning the national title game last year, Alabama winning Hanley we're seeing these two teams yet again facing off on the biggest stage in the SP. Sport. What has to happen for Clemson to emerge victorious this time? You know, I think going into the season and throughout the season. I have always felt that we are. And were the only teams can compete with Alabama. I thought everybody else was a step below. And that's because of the athletic talent on both about teams. I think we have to play our best game again. And because they've got a great defense. They got a I mean super offense. We get the two best teams and by far and away. We have the best athletes on both sides of consonant, Alabama. So we're going to have to make some big plays. I mean these receivers weapon step up and and make some of those catches that that that gives last week. I do not think Trevor Lawrence will be overwhelmed by the situation. He is. So cool, calm collected. And he just played on the big stage. I I don't think the pressure of this will get him and to go out have fun. I think Alabama's gonna get their yards to. And I believe that both the princes are are stout might been, but we don't break that much. So I mean, I'm looking for a good. Hard-fought game. And and certainly turnovers can be huge on either side of the ball for whether it's us whether it's them, and if we recover fumble intercept a pass or or do something like that we have to capitalize on scoring opportunity related to make touchdowns in the Red Sox instead of feel goals and to curtail some of their running game. I I mean, they're monsters over there too. When I loved this matchup between both teams, it's it should be a great game. I know everybody's looking semi finals for great games, and they were pretty much blowouts. Now, we get to see the big boys. We're talking to Jim stuck eclipse and football legend who has a pro and the NFL in the nineteen eighties. When two Super Bowls as defensive tackle. With the San Francisco forty Niners supports Jim in the eighties. You're playing for one of the greatest coaches in the annals of the game. Bill Walsh, one of the true legends. One of the true innovators won three Super Bowls as the head coach of the forty Niners. And then his successor George Siefert, of course, would win two more Super Bowls Nick Sabin at Alabama looking for his sixth national title at Alabama has seven th overall. He's one of those names now on the shortlist of greatest coaches in the annals of the sport as somebody who played for Bill Walsh is a very different kind of personality when you look at Nick Sabin. What do you think it is over the last fifteen years has elevated him to this position where we talk about him with the rock knees delay, he's in the Wilkinson's, etc. You know, I think it goes back to how he does how he coaches out disciplined. He is how much of a perfectionist he is. And he expects that from his coaching staff and his player. And he instills his belief system and how things work into these players and they buy into it. And I think it's very very disciplined type of regime that that he runs and it's worked, and and you know, guys go there and say, look, I wouldn't six national championships. You're sitting in as a young kid. It's like, I I'm gonna listen to this guy. He's not only qualified, but he's got street cred too. Because you look at it as coordinators leaving, you know almost every year. But there's something to be said, I mean, the man at the top that everybody looks to and you cannot take anything away. You have six you're going for seven your top with coach bear Bryant. And who's right up there with God? And Jesus and so really coats say you you cannot had from history. He's the best in the game right now. Do you think? If there's anything for Clemson to take away from Oklahoma's performance in the second half against Alabama. You know, they were able to move the ball little bit more. But I I do not think so I think we we have our game plan and in mind that we do and what we do best. And as as comes and goes, and and how we're able to attack that defense. I do think they took the gas off. And I think it's a subconscious thing your head twenty eight and nothing I you said man, we got this in the bag. And then all of a sudden they come by the game was never in doubt. So I think we're going to stick to what we do best and a running game. I think we can do I would like to see maybe a little bit more running, but we've got to offensive coordinators and. Tony Elliott and Jefferson is just those guys. Do a great job. Tim, you live on Kiawah island outside Charleston, which is your favorite golf course. My favorite well, play the ocean course about forty times a year the McGee now they're the ordering times a year. Yeah. Play with marina. When he comes up, and he said stop. If I didn't love you. I would never play golf with you. So I'm a little worse. But I usually just play with him and some of the guys, but I love cacique and the river course, also that's a private club at Kiawah island club. You island is one of the truly special places. Really is. Yeah. Thank you. I've been selling real estate here now for twenty three years. So it's great. I had no idea. I I was down there a couple of months ago, and I played the what is it? Asprey spray. Course, I actually had a pretty decent day for me out there. But it is it is a great place. How much golf you playing? If you're playing those course forty times a year how many rounds a year you playing. Well, I can't tell you because my boss might be listening. But there was one time I play them to twenty rounds a year, but I just had a hip replacement about seven weeks ago now so I've had to take the time off about looking forward to getting started up in the new year about Jim gives us. Prediction for the championship, Monday night, and Santa Clara. I think that some a win twenty seven twenty four by that's a that's a smart thing for somebody living in South Carolina to say in my Clemson as well, Jim stuck easy. The Clemson legend there in the seventies won two Super Bowls playing with the forty Niners in the nineteen eighties. It's always a pleasure. Jim having you on to talk Clemson football. Thanks for being on the sporting life. Yeah. Man. Thank you. Jeremy y'all take care I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.
The Sporting Life: 3/6/20
"Great News there's a quick way you can save money switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance go to GEICO DOT com today and see how much you could save. Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy Shop over the next hour former. Nfl General Manager. Mike Tannenbaum describes why the NFL's potential new playoff structure could mean traffic changes for the League. There's two H is not apply at the end of the year health and home field. And you're the one team that has the home feel manage and you have the body get healthy. I think that's going to give you an advantage. Over those other teams so it will make the regular season hugely consequential plus former MLB player. Bill ripken defense. Old School Baseball Thinkers. It just seems over the past few years all the talk about the new metrics and all the analytics that are entering into the game did almost the connotation out there that the old school guy never use numbers or information and I just to establish that. That's not true. Also author your own. Weizman describes how the Philadelphia Seventy sixers process divided the basketball community about the way they went about their business. Stay off this entire culture war that drove people on every side Matt and I think that's kind of what makes the story interesting a little different. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy SCHAAP. Welcome to another edition of the sporting life later in the show. We'll be speaking to the longtime Major League infielder an Emmy Award winning baseball. Commentator Bill Ripken. But first we're GONNA talk some NFL with our own. Mike Tannenbaum a longtime NFL executive one of our NFL insiders. Thank you for joining us here on the sporting life. Hey great to be with you. Jeremy How are you? I'm great I'm great and and it's always a pleasure having you on the show. You have such keen insights. What's going on so I'm going to lay it all out there. Is Tom Brady? Ever GonNa play for the Patriots again. I believe so. I think when the rubber meets the Road Jeremy I think he stays there. They have good offensive line especially if David Andrews they're talented center comes back they could franchise their guard. Joe -TUNI- so when it's all said and done I would think that he'll be back. I know other C- Differently but We will find find out soon enough. If it's not New England for Brady and there have been so many other destinations that have been thrown into the conversation. How do you handicap it? If it's not New England I say paper. Tennessee makes a ton of sense because micro their head coach. He was defensive coordinator New England John Robinson knows him from his days in the New England. Front office I think when teen that's radar that makes a ton of sense to me is Tampa Bay because last year they were eighth overall anti France a tenth of a difference in their last eight games. The really good receivers in Chris Godwin Mike Evans. I got a couple of good tight ends and OJ. Howard Cameron brats. So I think Tampa Bay Bacolod sense as well. And what does that mean exactly In terms of the future of James Winston. Yeah it's a big variable heading into free agency there so anything so like about James. Obviously the three touchdown passes but I was raised in this business. That oftentimes your opponent going to lose the game before you ever have to win it. And obviously the thirty interceptions seven pick sixes if they just had a B- quarterback last year with that underrated defense. They would have competed for a playoff position. We're speaking Mike. Tannenbaum the former. Nfl Executive who is now an ESPN NFL. Insider and that raises the question. James Winston situation. He's not the only one out there. At what as an executive For Front Office and coaching staff. When when did they have to make the decision in terms of the development of you've invested in? You used a high draft pick on at the quarterback position where you're GONNA you're all in or it's time to to move on. How how hard is it to make that Decision Mike? Jeremy that's where the decisions to make. When when do you give up on the young hopeful ascending player and in particular? When you look at the quarterback position rich Gannon Vinny Testaverde. You know to a certain extent you could make the argument for a Ryan Fitzpatrick. Sometimes it just takes awhile and he has projects talent so I think it's a painful difficult decision but I think you back to his days of Horror State. He has turned the ball over a lot and If I was Tampa Bay given how well they played defensively. I would make a change at this point in the year and we're talking in the first week of March to combine his over. The draft is still what like six weeks away something like that. What does it look like in? Nfl Front Office At this point on the calendar by far the best time of year this is for your strategy together and juxtaposing free agency and the draft. And what I mean by that when you look at the middle class of the veteran wide receiver market and just to pick a name Robbie Anderson in my opinion. He lost a ton of money based on the depth of the draft position because if you need a representative wide receiver you can certainly get one in the third or fourth round this year's draft not pay Robbie Anderson type and then go spending your money someplace else. This is a year in which there is a seems beyond a consensus. It's unanimity they. Joe Borough should be the number one pack. How do you feel about that? Conventional Wisdom and the fact that it's entirely unopposed. Well there's two concerns have one is urban. Meyer knows a lot about Cormac. Playing Joe Borough study started his career at Ohio State Jeremy and transfer because he couldn't beat out Twain Haskins. That's a little bit of a concern during housings is certainly a good player. I certainly wouldn't put him in the elite category and then secondly he had one. You're a fantastic production. And my and I would take Joe Bird just to be clear but if Justin Herbert was playing quarterback at Lsu behind that Lyon those weapons not so sure how much different the result would have been silly. Where is Herbert's stock right? Now it's extremely high with me. Because of his character. His production has prototypical size. If you look at how the season in particular PAC twelve championship game against Utah Rose Bowl against Wisconsin. Mvp of the senior bowl threw the ball very well last week in India so I think he's competitive. I think he's answered the Bell Every step of the way and I don't know what he's missing so it's going to have to show me why he should be a top five pick we're speaking with Mike Tannenbaum in my The combine as I said is over. Who who gained the most combine whose stock went up the most after that experience? I would say maybe An boost priority high candidly. But maybe MCI Becton three hundred sixty four pound offense Lineman from Louisville who ran a five one. That's faster than Jimmy Garoppolo at three hundred sixty four pounds crazy. I mean that that like if you really just think about that I mean that's insane so He was a good player. How into it but just to see that happen is fascinating. I'm curious and maybe it's because I'm I'm going to speak to him for for outside the lines tomorrow in Atlanta. But I'm going to talk to Jalen hurts. Who's had one of the most interesting college careers anyone's ever had of course at Alabama than it Oklahoma? This season runner up for the heisman. Trophy as graduate transfer over there didn't have to sit out He's been a winner. But you know you mentioned Joe Borough. Getting benched for not winning the job against Wayne Haskins at Ohio state. Obviously he lost the job to tour at Alabama. Apparently he had a great combine. What are your thoughts about? Jalen hurts very intriguing to me. The axiom the tape sets the floor and the character assistance ceiling it really applies to him from standpoint of he threw the ball better than I thought he broke. A Lotta tackles playing quarterback at both Alabama and Oklahoma. I would love to take him in the third or fourth round see work ago. There was another player. Josh Dobbs who drafts in the fourth round by Pittsburgh he gets traded Jacksonville. Very intrigued player. That keeps getting better and better. Josh Dobbs has incredible character. I put it up there with. Jalen hurts and hurts his really really intriguing to me. Of course everything we're talking about. These could all be moot points if things don't go well in terms of labor negotiations at this point or over the next twelve months and where it stands now as we speak on a Wednesday march fourth we understand a full vote of the rank and file the two thousand players approximately in the NFL. Pa is coming soon on the proposal that the owners offered up a couple of weeks ago. Where do you see this going? I hope it gets done. I've negotiate for years Jeremy. I don't think it's a perfect meal but there are no perfect deals. And when you look at apples to apples player. That's coming in this year as a rookie from an increase in minimum earn an additional four hundred and ninety five thousand dollars and sixty percent of the. Nfl makes the minimum. So there's some give and take in there obviously with the seventeen games but we look at the last less padded practices. I think that helps. Obviously one less preseason game not overly consequential but certainly helps You look at some of these health sort of proxies that they have in there in terms of additional coverage. They have places where players could get free screening for. I believe it's life or at least for twenty years so there's a Lotta subtle things in there. In addition the additional roster spots in practice squad players so again do I think it's a perfect deal. Jeremy No but I think it's it's a it's a pretty good deal for both sides. It's interesting to me Mike. Right because you could argue the biggest story in sports this country over the last twelve thirteen. Fourteen years has been the advancement of our knowledge about the effects of brain trauma and football's been right in the middle of that story and anecdotally anyway. This point a couple of weeks after the C. Offered up this proposal by the owners in the League I it seems like the younger players. weren't superstars. Who aren't rich are going to be willing. That's the way you know. It's been handicapped so far to sign off on that seventeenth game and the extra playoff games. Now there's some things on the other side of the health equation you know. We're GONNA limit practices. May maybe take away one of the preseason games I understand. Does it surprise you. Will it surprise you Mike? If the players agree to more games even set against the backdrop of what we now know about head trauma and also. I should say what we don't know. Well that's a very interesting point. I think more than the number of games germy. It's about how we play in practice. I think Roger Goodell's been excellent As a thought leader in this space in terms of the game is a lot safer just in terms of where you could hit a player. Helmet-to-helmet contact How we practice is dramatically better. There's a lot less contact overall in practice. So I think we get away from the actual number of games and really keep focusing on how we play when we do. Play is more important and I think We've gone to a place where the game still exciting. It's the best sport in the world and it's just again. I would argue that perfect but it's dramatically safer than it once was. Were Speaking Mike. Tannenbaum the NFL executive now works with us at ESPN `bout the State of the NFL the CB negotiations And the vote that we were expecting to take place soon from the whole rank and file and it's different this time around. I heard Dominic Foxworth used to be the president of the NFL PA when he was playing talked about how. I think ten years ago. The last time the negotiations were taking place that you know. There was a united front presented by the players in even if ultimately he didn't agree with something they decided to vote together to show united front this time around we had the executive committee of the PA voting. I think six to five not to pass long of the proposal to the rank and file. Then we add The player reps themselves voting in the other directions. Seventeen fourteen to one. And now we're hearing split among some of the big stars saying no the guys who've made a lot of money already Who would you know if there's a work? Stoppage would presumably lose year of salary. Because they're not going to get back on the back end and we're hearing the younger players were paid less. Who think maybe they'll be started a few years saying no. I'm I'm willing to play that extra game For a bigger share of the PIE does the does the division lack of united front. This time around. How does that strike you? I love these. Smith's what he said which is democracy is messy. Everybody has a point of view and the executive director of the and look you have whatever it is sixteen seventeen hundred numbers not gonNa make it unanimous on their front and again. I think there's a lot more good in that deal and bad and I think they're going to have discussion and I would challenge a player if they don't like the deal. Okay no problem which your suggestion. You're not just GONNA walk in wave a magic wand and tell thirty two hours sixteen games but we want everything else here my understanding and I don't know all the numbers intimately Jeremy but I believe there's a digital six and a half billion dollars so difference between forty seven percent forty eight point five percent of total revenues. Yeah that those numbers were hearing something like that exactly so therefore I seen some of these high profile players have a problem with the system but again what your idea. And how are you going to be able to implement speaking with my Tanenbaum and Mike in terms the practicalities for front offices? Now as we're in this kind of CBA limbo were so much. Could be changing in the near future possibly. How does that affect the way? They're thinking about the draft about free agents about transition tags in franchise tags. I mean. Can they do anything now? Right now it's a hurry up and I've talked to lot of my friends around the league. They're just waiting ill. There's some teams that have fifteen twenty three. Nobody knows what the rules are. You don't know if you're writing a contract for sixteen game season or seventeen game season. Those are all things are going to have to be factored into to the variables in terms of executing the contract. Once we know what the rules are in terms are are we in the last year the collective argument or we you know in the first year of a new or this could still be the last year with a new ten year extension tacked on so until we know what the player vote is. There's really not a lot to do. Yeah I mean I mean I I don't know the calendar intimately the way that you do but it would seem like there are some very big issues at hand and until the resolve. We know what's going to happen. The future for instance like you know it's hard for Tom. Brady to make a decision or anyone to make a decision about Tom Brady. Because of the domino's have how salary cap worked. Who else could be signed or franchise that kind of stuff right? It's it's it's complicated. That's exactly right and until we know what the rules are again. I think we're being a big holding pattern from your perspective. Mike having done this For so long and being so closely associated lead for so long now covering the League you know a few years ago people talked about. Nfl Fatigue when they ended the Thursday game. And you know ratings ratings dip there might have been more related to the political situation people's interest in the presidential election two thousand sixteen all that we don't know exactly but there was a feeling like you don't kill the golden goose. Don't give him too much content but it seems everybody thinks I mean. I shouldn't say everybody seems a lot of people think that seventeen is just a no brainer. From the owners. Perspective and lease perspective and more. Playoff Games are no brainer. You feel the same way. I think it's what we've seen as it's the one product that has withstood. Basically the dvr meaning that a lot of shows can get shifted or their stream bid on Netflix. Or WHATEVER OUR PRODUCT. One product that has ratings have remained incredibly strong inconsistent. And because of it there's such great demand and we could sit here and talk about gambling. Fancy football the sports whatever. The reasons the numbers objectively will back it up based on any metrics therefore the theory is we have incredible product. It's been consistent for a long period time. Why not add to that product incrementally and with that will flow these incredible numbers that you've already alluded to Jerry and then therefore the pie will be collectively bigger for everybody and that's really at the NBA. The rationale behind it like we've had this incredible run and everyone has had a participate to make it successful. Beat the players. The owners sponsors are broadcast partners here in espn amongst many others and then therefore. Let's keep growing the Pie. Which again has benefited everybody involved? How do you feel about only one team in each conference getting a by? I don't like it because if you look at the. Nfc You could take Philadelphia San Francisco Green Bay. Maybe the rams you could argue but say plus or minus five percent. You have three or four teams. That are lumped in there together and the one team that gets to buy. There's two H. Is that apply at the end of the year health and Homefield and when you're the one team that has the homefield manage and you have the body get healthy I think that's going to give you a disparate sort of advantage over those other teams so it will make the regular season hugely. Consequential Mike we lean on you for your insights and your knowledge. Thank you so much for providing them again here on the sporting life. Thanks Sir appreciate this. Sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. It's been a long time since money. Ball Michael Lewis's blockbuster bestseller about the remaking of the Oakland A.'s. Changed the way so many people think about baseball in the last twenty years new statistics do analytics ways of looking at the game. Have fundamentally altered our concepts of excellence on the diamond. Well Bill Ripken is here to say slow down the former major leaguer and Emmy Award winning analysts is the author of a new book state of play the Old School Guy to new school baseball bill. Thanks so much for joining us. We'll appreciate your time Jeremy Bill. What kind of tensions are there between? What you identifies old and new school baseball theme for foremost if you're dealing with a true old school tree. There's probably a couple branches on that tree that are borderline bullyish and I think if you're dealing with the extremist new true New School Tree. There's a couple of branches on that tree that have a little bit of smugness and arrogance that go with it and I believe that they branches that I mentioned old and new. We'll never get along and probably shouldn't get along with anybody else in their tree as well so The one thing that I wanNA do sit out when I wrote this book was I just wanted to establish the fact that old school baseball guys have always used numbers and information and it just seems that over the past few years all the talk about the new metrics and all the analytics that are entering into the game it almost gives the connotation out there that the old school guy never use numbers or information and I just wanted to establish that. That's not true. Not just that bill but also it kind of leaves the impression that all those generations of being in the game and the tens of thousands of games played in in coach and manage. Did nothing really to inform these guys about what really matters in baseball right. I mean there's it's kind of. There's almost a bias against that kind of experience where there's no question areas and I believe in. It's not the entire new school because I don't think you can ever drop the label like that. But the extreme sides of things kind of look at the old school guy and basically discount the experience. I like to refer to it this way. The old saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I don't believe that I believe you can teach an old dog a new trick. You incentivize the old dog. Well enough now. The new investment puppy that's come into the world with all the energy and the eagerness there's something about him that I like but there's also something true that that dog doesn't know what the old dog already knows and I don't think you can discount what experience actually need sticky with. Bill Ripken the Emmy Award winning baseball analyst for Melby Network about his new book just published state of play. The old school guide to New School Baseball and the book reminds me Bill. I think I was hosting outside. Allies like fifteen or sixteen years ago. We're talking about essentially the same issue but a long time ago. It and Michael Lewis from moneyball was on one side of the Discussion and Jim. Fregosi was on the other side. It got it got pretty nasty as I recall. At least in my memory stayed in our memory you knew forgo see well. It seemed there was no way for these two sides to find common ground. Is that still the case or or is there as you suggest your book. A place at which both sides can meet and benefit from each other's perspective. I think there should be a place and I think the two guys you were talking about kind of borderline on the extreme side of old and new but I love information. I love numbers in fact if I dismiss anything in the book That's regarding a new statistic or a new theory or anything else I use numbers and I use information back that so I just don't make a blanket statement that I'm not going to use this. So the idea of having young Intelligent people entering into the game is a good thing but they still have to understand that that old do that might be down in the clubhouse. It's running the game will use any information that's given to him if it's into his baseball world and I don't want him to be viewed as rigid or unwilling to change. If some of the information he sends back upstairs and says look. I can't use this. Go back to the drawing board. That's where the experience comes into play. But I guarantee if you give any crusty old baseball guy more information that he can use the inside of his thinking The inside of the box thinking that he has is going to grow. And then we're all better Ford so I'm all into new ideas new concepts and things like that but it has to be applicable to the game. Give me an example bill if you can of an area in which the old school in the new school fundamentally disagree about something. Well I disagree with a lot of the new terminology so the nurse statistics that has something that's waited created or adjusted attached to it because to me those are three qualifiers. That mean that it's not a real number I believe the old school guy still believes in the run batted in as a key component to your lineup construction and the new school theory doesn't believe in the RBI. And I'd like to look no further than the twenty nineteen world champions Washington nationals where Anthony Rundown by the way the best hitter had starting their lineup led the league. Rbi's and the four entering one soda still at one hundred. Plus Rbi's even though the Ren Dome led the League so there are ways that you can go about your lineup construction. But there's something that's still works with that old school. Look of your three four guy in your line up for better than the other three or four guys you put yourself in a pretty good place to win now. Of course your father. Cal ripken senior. I think in the eyes of many people who remember him when he was in the game and he was managing. There was something about him. That just kinda screamed old school. Whoa IS THAT. Is that a fair representation Characterization Bill. I would think so I think crusty actually gets in there. Some just in their weather gets in there but it was very no nonsense when it came to the baseball world but yet he always used information. That was the information that was at hand and seniors thing. That probably still stick with me as much as anything and I put it in. The book is if you catch it pitch it and hit it better than the other team you win and that's still holds true in today's game and I think that we've gotten a little bit carried away with all these different things that are trying to enter into the game and if we forget about the basics we can be a smart as any team out there but if we don't execute all the little things on a baseball field. We don't have a very good chance to win. We're speaking with. Bill ripken about his new book stain of play the old school guide to new school baseball. And it's interesting because of course Your Family Your Dad and yourself your brothers so steeped in that Orioles Way Which was an organization that changed the game going back to the fifties with richards and then the sixties with weaver and so on anything about David Johnson who of course was with the Orioles and then became kind of the first manager. You think of like with the printout of computer printout of statistics making decisions in the dugout doing double switches and all that because Oh my God. He's harnessing this new technology. The Orioles really are are cutting edge. When you talk about this subject in. I guess a late old school way. Aren't they well? I think information is the key and you mentioned Davey and yes thinking about using the computer. I remember playing for the late. Johnny OATES And he had a index card in his back pocket. He didn't necessarily need the computer to put things out. He did his own little research and he would have as simple as yes. No attached to the person's name hitting in the lineup compare doing the relief pitchers it was coming in the game because he already did the research and you already put the stuff down on his note card so the fact that now we have ipads in the dugout and people are constantly looking at it That shouldn't mean that the old school guy yesteryear didn't do his due-diligence beforehand and he knew it and part of the things that the old school guy knew was. He paid attention to the games that were played prior to that and his brain was the actual total recall and necessarily didn't need it on a piece of paper. Thank you for joining us. It's a fascinating look at really what people talk about when they talk about baseball now the stats the new school. The old school bill ripken's new book is State of play. The old school guide to new school based Bill. Thanks so much for joining us. Jeremy Thank you sir. Next on the sporting life author your own Weizman describes how the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers process divided the basketball community. Something about the way. They went about their business. That audit entire cultural war led contro people on every side math. And I think that's what makes the story interesting a little different. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Sports are supposed to be about winning. But sometimes it's about losing to win or is it. Is that even really farewell. That question is the subject of new book. Tanking to the top the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers in the most audacious process and that's a loaded word. In the history of professional sports. The author your own Weizman a bleacher report joins us now your own. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it when we talk about the process when we talk about the seventy sixers of the last Half Decade and their strategy. What are the most important things to bear in? Mind The most. That's a good way to phrase that they see. I've done a few known trays that yet. most important thing. We tried to be different here on the sports hub. I respect that the most important things to bear in mind is. I think one is that this is not. They were not the first team to think that tanking and even the loaded word you so the process taking also. They're not the first team to think that taking a good strategy sports have this incentive system as little work that if you're bad you get good draft picks and there are a lot of reasons for that whether that's smart or not as a whole separate conversation in terms of parody thing But they're not to move that and yet something about the way. They went about their business off this entire culture war that drove people on every side Matt. And I think that's kind of what makes this story interesting and a little different. I mean in basketball. It's it's an obvious strategy right because there is so much value potentially at the very top of the draft and declines so rapidly. Unless you really know what you're doing and you've identified somehow diamond in the rough that nobody else has but scouting is so advanced now. There's so much group. Think about these things anyway. At this point it seems obvious in basketball that this would be a strategy. So why why was it? Why does it continue to be so controversial when we talk about the seventy sixers? Yeah and it's funny because like you're saying it's obvious like one of the math. That hanky did. Math is even like it's just he went back and he's not the first person like you went if you look back and go through every championship teams. Sam Hinkie General Man. He actually sent me the general manager. Correct yeah the The he the guy the architect of the process right so he went back and looked at every championship team beforehand and near literally almost every single one has a guy had the superstar and a superstar taking top three pickles. You know Michael Jordan Shock whether it's came on donkey all these guys. It's not the teams that win in the players. That win at the smog. As your question what was different about this people found it. It was almost like people. And it's funny. 'cause I don't know why I don't necessarily know why I have some theories. T never he went out of his way and the sixers went out of their way to never go to never say this is doing and yet something about it and how public they were about it or how up front. I guess would be a better work. They were about it. It's like it's like letting everyone in on all you know we we're all we all know. This is okay but like you know what's actually acknowledge this at least attend. He wasn't pretend so. It's the old lesson in sports candor. Kills exactly which is ironic because one of the things that he got criticized as he wasn't very candidate though. There's a bit of a misnomer like he wasn't doing many press conferences talking a lot with the background. Nina people WANNA wear. Meaning you know you're talking reporter they can use you creation. You're just can't you can't And I think that set off and then you have all these other things going up younger. You know. This happens as sports are being covered in different way and you have younger. Fan Base younger writers coming in and bloggers and glance the old guard. And we all covering Stewart's the general manager perspective and some people push back on that yet that everyone's a GM as fantasy basketball and you have all these ways to go out and too many this the sixers and incubated presented that new wave coming in. We're speaking with your own of bleacher. Report about his new book. Tanking to the top The Philadelphia. Seventy sixers and most audacious process in the history of professional sports. You described as the most audacious is it the most successful That's a good question The the most successful I would say I mean this is. What's funny is that he got short circuited. Right like he was he was pushed out. I guess it was two and a half about a little over two and a half years in ownership who signed off on his plan Basically the noise got great. League wasn't happy. They certainly were had no issue with ownership or alert. Happy to offer ownership might about who could come in and work alongside probably eventually we'll play Sankey And the Klang got short circuited and even still the sixers ended up. I mean you can criticize. But they ended up with two superstars Joel embiid and Ben Simmons like the math. I always do you know I mean it's a process first thing that's what he would always say and you and you don't have to buy this but the idea that championship is you know. People out of luck to win a championship Where the Win One? It's kind of a separate conversation but the mass I always kind of go back to is the forehand sixers fans sort of the team was kind of stuck in mediocrity. They had two and a half to leave really bad years and for those three years. They've had about another three plus. Let's say at least another three going colors games or years. Where everyday matters is he's in matters and the sixers are contenders? So is it the most successful now birthday? 'cause I mean they missed on a bunch of drastic but I think you know we're going black and white did it work. I would say I mean here's the thing right you're philosophically you know if the fans understand what the objective is in the end. They know what the process is supposed to ultimately produce. If they don't mind you know then then why shouldn't a team as long as its objective alternate lately is to win? They're not throwing games. It's not the nineteen nineteen white socks. Why does the League have a problem with it and I understand that somewhat a rhetorical question? But but let's let's explore right now. I agree with you right. 'cause like so. I write this even like the the biggest criticism herm Edwards thing. You play to win the game right violating Mac but the counter would be playing to win the game. Just worry about the actual championship. Not whether we win again in November against the Pistons Right. This is our best way to do. That is a different game and analyze. Plank built differently and I agree with you. I mean you know I think you I live. In New York. Knicks fans would would be very excited. Be told you know we have a plan process exactly right like locking schemes luther instead of a plan which is just like these guys want to come to New York. They'll sign when they're free agents and we've seen how that worked at right exactly exactly lots of teams losing Dirani part about the sixers. I think it was only one year. They were losing. You know. We'll say they're punting seasons and yet the only fish of the worst record I think one year when he was there like teams would end up with worst records. Which just shows that you know in the NBA. Plenty of teams. Get to the bottom without trying to get there. So there's arguments you made that you like. There's getting to the bottom on purpose with the with the goal of helping you get to the top Yeah that's smart so why yes again you asked. Why would the League office be against it? I mean other things that happened to like there was a Jalil okla force which I talk about the SAGA TV ratings one. Answer I suppose in the people who don't have a vested interest in the seventy sixers don't WANNA watch You know a a B level Amateurish team on the on the court when they've got you know. Tv contracts there were billions of dollars. Were speaking with your own white spin about his new book. Tanking to the top and again UNA philosophical level. You know there's been a lot of talk in last year. I guess mostly the load management term. You know players and load management and the question about how that affects competitiveness and what it says about NBA teams and the value of regular season. Tuesday night games or Wednesday night games. Whatever they happen to be d. Do you see a difference between the load management conversation and the the tanking US strategy Schweitzer's I think it's I think it's all representative of the issue. Not The issue combative. The thing that's combating against each itself in Professional Sports with you can be competing agenda. That's right on sensitive and the one hand professional sports are funky business like it's you have thirty different teams but they're really all partner and its partners in one business and the business matters yet is also the idea. Winning at each team wants to win and those two things growing the business as a whole and each team wanting to win those are different incentives. And they don't always work together and I think till entering the tanking like that's what happened and that's where professional sports are Funky. Because of that but they do have those two superstars. We've been talking to your own. Weizman about his new book tanking to the top. The Philadelphia Seventy sixers and the most audacious process in the history of professional sports fascinating. Look at something We've all been talking about last several years your own. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Thanks for having joined us. I'm Jeremy Shop and this has been the sporting life on ESPN radio or on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time.
Mike Farrell, E:60
"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy shop last week. Mark the first anniversary of a tragedy that took place in suspect when a bus crash that took sixteen lives thirteen survive, the bus crash the bus had been carrying a junior hockey team. The Humboldt Broncos on their way to a playoff game in Nipah win another town in scotch win. And last week e sixty dedicated entire show to the story of the Humboldt Broncos it it was brilliantly. Directed story told by my colleague, Mike Farrell who joins us now. Mike first of all congratulations on the documentary, which which was so powerful, you're Canadian yourself. You came to the US few years ago to work at ESPN. You have a special feeling for what this tragedy meant it was felt. All over the world. But particularly what it meant in your home country. Can you try to tell us what what it was all about? I don't know if there is. A tragedy or an event that is occurred. At least in my lifetime in Canada that has had such a profound impact across the nation as the humble Broncos bus crash. It was something that people felt viscerally whether you were in schedule and Humboldt whether you're in the Maritimes or up north it's a big country. But I think the grief and devastation was felt from coast to coast. And I think a big part of why that happened was because it was such a relatable tragedy. And I say that in the sense of I grew up playing hockey in Canada at a decently high level in my youth. And I spent a lot of time riding buses two games. And some of the best memories that I have as youth hockey player were riding buses with your teammates and joking around and the exciting. Of just going to stay at a hotel or something like that. And so many Canadians grow up with a very similar experience. Even if it's just not hockey, it could be any sport where you would travel on a bus with your teammates and being together building that come rodri-. And so the fact that so many people growing up had experienced that. I really think that that's part of the reason why resonated so deeply across the country because as Scott Thomas who is one of the main characters at our story, so eloquently stated it could have been any team any type of team any type of kid any type of player anyone who's ever put their kid on a bus to attended event knows that this could have happened to them. But the fact that it was hockey, which is so close to the national soul. If you will Canada is an incidental to the story. Either could have been any sport it could have been anybody's kids. But but hockey while technically not the national sport. We know. That's that's lacrosse, national sport. Oh, it is. I'm sorry. Co-nationals sport. There's something about it being hockey that makes it Canadian way that perhaps strikes accord in a different way. I think so I think that I think Canada is a very diverse country. And I think that hockey is really something that axes at unifier across all the different cultures and backgrounds that exist within Canada. And because it was hockey because that already is a cultural unifier across the land in Canada. I think it made the tragedy that much more impactful because and I think it also amplified the greed to which everyone came together to try to support the Broncos because that is something that already brings canes together hockey, and so it just flowed from that the idea of of unity and togetherness around. This sport is already something that occurs. And so it seemed natural for it to happen to try to at least alleviate or bring some comfort to these families that were suffering such unimaginable grief. How did you decide to tell the story from the perspective of three figures involved in the crash or? Three families. How did you decide to to use them as focal points? It's such a big tragedy and affected so many people. There was twenty nine people on the bus. And if you extrapolate that out to all of their families and friends, you know, there's there's hundreds of people that you could say were directly affected by this. And I have a very deep belief that the most effective way to tell a big story like that if the try to tell a small story, and to tell a personal story a human story, that's the most effective way in my opinion of of making an impact on your viewer. And so what we attempted to do was to think of the different ways in which people were affected by what happened. You know? There's a group of people sixteen of them that lost their son or daughter their loved one. There's a group of survivors thirteen of them and four of those fivers have suffered life changing phys. Injuries to had very traumatic brain injuries and two ended up paralyzed. And so the three people that we chose to focus on. I thought represented a good cross section of the different ways in which people were affected and hoping that they would act as proxies. If you will or representations of the different ways that this tragedy manifested itself. So we focused on the Thomas family who lost their son Evan. We focus on Ryan stretch. Nikki who was a Broncos defenseman who became paralyzed after the crash, and we focused on the Cameron family and their son. Brayden who actually ended up coming back to play for the team on opening night. And so my telling the stories of those three families, and those three players the hope was that at least in part, you could get an appreciation for the spectrum of of experiences that happened as a result of the crash on. Six we're speaking with Mike Farrell who directed forever Broncos these sixty documentary that debuted last week on the first anniversary of the terrible tragedy that took place in April twenty eighteen insys catch win and you worked on this in partnership with TSN your former employer the national sports that work of Canada. It's not easy. Always for people to see what we do on ESPN in Canada. Although some of our shows I understand are are are aired on TSN and can be seen online. I know there's geo blocking stuff like that. And in our show can be seen here in the US anyway on ESPN app, but what kind of reaction did you get from the people back home in Canada after aired on Sunday the appreciation. I think was was deep for the fact that the reason that the people that we spoke with in the first place the reason why they wanted to get involved with this project was to help people understand what they had been through. And I think I was in a bit of a unique position to recognize that. Although this story was almost omnipresent and Canada for the last year. It would be hard that you would go a couple days without a story about the Broncos appearing on the news. And it was it was. Daily thing where people got to know these players on a deep level in Canada. I think in the US the understanding of the story, and what had happened was a lot shallower. It was a lot more rudimentary and a lot of ways. And so I think that there was an appreciation on behalf at least of the families that we worked with that. We were able to bring this story to a new audience and help people understand what they had been through. And in the case of specially of the Thomas family who lost their son, Evan just a chance for his memory to live on in a new way with a new group of people that could hopefully take a little bit of Evan and understand what he was about. And why he mattered? I think that was very important to the Thomas family and to be able to bring the story of the Broncos to a new audience. I think with something that people that were involved with the project appreciated you spend a lot of time working on this much of the last year immersing yourself in in these wrenching stories. He's you work on projects like this. They never turn out. Exactly the way you think they're going to at the beginning. They can't because they're too many variables and too many things happen during the process, we're this ended up how how close was it to what you thought it might be. I'm still so I'm still too close to almost really appreciate it. But I think. I think in the end once I have a chance to step back from it. I'll be very proud of the fact that I think it did come quite close to what I had envisioned, and you know, as we spoke about previously that that sort of mix of characters that we chose the focus on and the juxtaposition of their respective experiences. I think that that did pay off in in the final product. And I think that viewers did come away hopefully understanding the breadth of the different experiences that people had from this tragedy. And I was very proud of that in the end. And I think another thing that just in terms of the feedback that we've received since it aired, you know, people were moved by it. I think people were were saddened by it. It's a tough story to watch. But I think that has its own level of importance because you're able to show people that. That these boys mattered and Dane LeBron's mattered. And to be able to establish an emotional connection with the viewer and make them understand. That is something that was really important to me. And to know that we had achieved that at least for the most part is also something that I'm proud of Hugh chief too much more than for the most part. Mike Farrell directed for Broncos the sixty documentary about the humble Broncos. It's failed on the ESPN app. It's wrenching, and it's inspiring and Mike. Thank you for joining us here in the sporting life. Thank you. Jeremy I'm Jeremy shat, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.
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He's got Jeremy and I was going to mention about tomorrow there a couple of races. I want to try to get out ahead. What's we hit mid week? Pick out some spots and tomorrow at Sam Houston there's a first level allowance of they start their second week. Personal allowance go to mile and a sixteenth on the grass Horsfield. It looks like looks like I guess asked sin asked me. It'll be favored here Certainly Money Trend The horse that he owns that he took from maker and Kendall Hansen. And it's just one fifteen claimer now. He's going to try to clear his allowance conditions a five year old distorted humor. He's the worst I to be no doubt but you know it is turf it is a turf race so take a look. Take a look at this spot nice nice bulky field and Gulfstream. There's a three-year-old allowance. And maybe I'm sure Jeremy is going to keep an eye on this at seven furlongs you've got a first out winner for Navarro by the name of Premier Star Attack Pitcher Colt One in December going seven furlongs and happened to have beaten Kara Cairo who came back and and one well Delgado that came up earlier this morning with Andy so premier star the one to watch out of a hold that Tiger Mare and there's also a couple of interesting worse as Marquess got a don atom a warfront cult that Congress who won at first asking and then ran into independence hall in the Nashua and got distanced. But I think you can draw a line through that Trying to regroup He's four to one second can make a third choice so a couple of spots to look toward tomorrow and we look forward to talking now with Jeremy plonk countdown countdown to the crown. Second full week in the books the Lecomte on Saturday. We'll look forward to that preview. Jeremy Good Morning. Good Morning I had to go to the dentist. So so I would have a face for radio and I've upgraded to where I'm at least a radio presenter book. Well you don't you don't sound like you still have any cotton in the in the mouth or the any of that any that swollen or or Novacaine Novacaine side effect you sound. You sound clear clear on on the radio you know God what a performance by Lsu Nice you know what I gotta drop. This did real. Oh quick. I'm channel flipping because that's just the way I am. I can't stay commercials and things like that so during the championship game. Last I looked over to TV g because sometimes they have those classic classic shows on on Monday or Tuesday and the Twenty Sixteen Pacific classic was on and I watched the replay of California Gornja chrome and beholder. IMPOR- you forget. Sometimes how great of racist we have seen in recent years. You know we've bemoaned the horses that leave you too soon and and how we never get anything matchups but What a performance? And if you haven't watched that race in a while and honestly I forgot about it Because so much happens happens in three years but that race California chrome ran that day with a nominal 'cause behold there was a good four. She was all out in seconds route and he just cantered at home. What a what? A great performance go back and check that replay out if you haven't been a while and It'll make you feel good about some of the stuff you see on the track and And give you a boost you know. There's if there's one thing about racing it will do a rejuvenate you sometimes and you know I remember back in twenty thirteen feet near Derby Week and I don't know if I'd pneumonia or the worst flu of ever had in my life But spent the whole week it just absolutely sick and then that that sprint race on Derby Day between Amazon and Shackelford Churchill Down Handicapped with a throw down that it was just like lifted me and got me through the rest of the day the weekend and the drive home. You know. There's just something about a great race that it's hard to mimic and even while watching a championship game last night. The thing I saw on. TV California chrome rights and in fact that race. You know there. There's a few. There's a few funny names that you know that make you smile. This would have been in two thousand sixteen Wore story was was seventh and here. He is areas preparing for what his his fourth forth. The Pegasus try or third. At least and I I think Simon was a sign on the track. Walking next to the Horse Vitamin might have been him or would at the table said something like he's ninety nine to one but don't tell us nine here. I I like that and he ended up going one hundred thirty seven to one but he he did He did there were horses behind him including a pretty good good one in hard aces and also win the space but Yeah California chrome by five over. Boulder Dortmund was third hopper invented all the way around the track all rancher race that day opportunity to just so good that say not just that he that that was when he was in a just a you know he was still in a in a very nice routine that I forget where I was when I watched when we watched the the Dubai the race in Dubai but the World Cup win but he he he just was so impressive that day and and then he came home. One the San Diego one pack classic Won The awesome again. And then you know then it it ran into you know the buzzsaw in Harrogate but that was that was still a you. Know a terrific terrific performance and equality effort and in fact. I was just talking about that was talking about that the last night in fact with Andy and and I were talking in that race. Came up for the arrogate California chrome a classic like this year with countdown to the crown. You know fifteen season it one of the sections of the Friday report that that I'm putting out the fifteen best three year old that scattered and it started looking at rocky at fifteen orbit. Fourteen last weekend we can and this week will reveal number thirteen in the In the Friday report. But you know after seeing that race I mean I'm I'm looking just three year old seasons but it just reminds you a really really have good California chrome was and you know how close he was to become a triple crown winner. Ready he He would beat American feral to the punch by two years. You know had Delivered there in the Belmont and he had very few misfires in career. You know the race park didn't run a good one. And and of course the Belmont stakes was worn down but What a phenomenal career? The great race where she was. And you know he's got a lot of fans online in the twitter writes in the cronies and things like that that you know. Sometimes you think reputation and everybody kind and has you know fan boy fan girl Kinda in them and you think they might overinflate mortars but that's the case where you had a horse who was legitimately really really A super good and had the fan base follow. So that's you know that's a pretty strong combination. That wasn't a phony fandom. There that was that was a great racial. Well Day the add to it to enhance it. You also had the just the incredibly warm story involving the Sherman's and and You know an art and Sherm me and you know there was just so much to like about it that right. I mean that kind of made to you know I mean that makes for you know that makes for a storyline and it's funny because right now and I were texting before The the National Championship game last night. And we're talking about something and I said There's no storylines are you know. There's there's storylines anymore it's just narratives. You know everybody kind of wants in the media. Everybody wants a narrative and whether Kinda Kinda plays out that way or not they tell the story based on the narrative they wanna tell and you know it was actually about cleanse defensive coordinator Brenton Vegetables. Because he's like you know it's funny see that nobody mentions that he was run out Oklahoma. 'cause he couldn't stop it spread defense. You're spread off in you know. And then he gets the Clemson last night and you know they ran out of the gym with Lsu the spread offense last last night. You know. So I you know but the narrative is the greatest defensive-minded college football these days. And and so you know I. It's a narrative gets built in there and and the media goes with it and we were part of that with the NBC broadcast and stuff that we played the owner thing up and of course would happen with ten Iraqis live interview with the Belmont. Then that became more national story. Then you know the way it went Because that was kind of that was real raw human emotion and a couple of purpose. It's mixed in with it and made for great television and and and you know people talk more about it but I think you need all those elements so great story too so California mccomb had a mall and most of all he had a lot of talent. You know and that's why we're talking about him. And that's why that rate three years later just stumbling into it last night channel flipping GET IT RE sparked my interest in again and it just goes to show how good he pretty funny love it. Well the having just it's been in Cincinnati Overnight on Saturday and one thing I caught in advance of the game was the focus on on Joe Borough and on southeastern Ohio. You know which is which is a depressed area and I can tell you that from years ago when I worked for when I I worked for Cannon Mills based in Cincinnati and I would I would travel you know literally down that whole that whole corner corner toward Athens and Rio Grande Ohio. Where the home of Bob Evans? The actual Bob Evans farm and would go into West Virginia and Charleston and make sales calls and On on on coal companies and things. And I and I happen to know that area a little Abed and and the pride and the joy associated with with Joe Burrow Down Bengals number-one. Pick what you don't like me 'cause he should be That'd be great I mean that's that's hometowns. The way you know was you know certainly from the region That that all that don't make too much sense you know and Angles will find a way to bungle. Let's stop upto four bundles Kenny Anderson they've been a little dry. Well you think about that that that super bowl against the niners that they could have won. I mean it was assume that was that was the you know it's funny. The there there had been that extended era when the Super Bowl every year stunk and that was the first super bowl all that was really an engaging game and then since then it's generally there's been generally good games more often than bad games ever ever since then but that's always the one was twenty six twenty one I think in that range and boy who knows how the bengals fortunes would have change the if they had won that game and I lived in Cincinnati and still love it. Take the love going there. Let's get a couple of things we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA run ourselves. You're you're gonNA pull a Johnny de with me and we're GONNA we're gonNA or Johnny Johnny you know that's for sure that's true we we can absolutely really very true some thoughts. We want to get a Lecomte preview from Before we before we adjourn but give us the obvious you know take on all those maidens and we had the two mile races at at Gulfstream and the two six furlong races plus the allow. What's and it's funny? The allowance win ends up. Being you know probably probably anticlimactic to some degree from figure standpoint. Anyway we'll see we'll see where New York traffic goes from here but about Between Carrico and violent city Those appear to be the two that really stood out and and You know that this jockey win by the Saffy Joseph Sechin race winner that that kind of right. That's snuck under the radar. Dr Little Bit discharge kind of some your nose at those two races. You know this time of the year but when you look at You know where maximum security came from last year Jordan and what's going on with these locals and the you know these Gulfstream year round fight. She Gustavo the Gado and and sappy Joseph what they're doing is you don't work her. I won't say we're used to seeing this and like January February Golf Street but in a way you know you go back to the truck and rocks and horses like that. The booklets you're Kinda like Florida bred Florida locals who do well early in the campaign but by the time report a Dir becomes around where usually seeing you know more the blue bloods kind of those horses in terms of the Derby prospects. So we don't want to like go crazy and say well. This is the year of the local. You know at Gulfstream. Because we've seen this before and that's one of the beauties of experience that there's no substitute for most of these trails things that we see aren't new. You know the one thing that is new courses are winning later later in the campaign and getting later starts with three straight. Derby winners being maidens coming into their three-year-old year we hadn't seen that since monarchos in two thousand one until it's happened the last three years so You know some of this. We've seen before with some good early season performances by locally based sources. I thought it cost him the horse. Who won the day was of course I thought that was the best performance? I graduated a B plus Mike scale I'm going April through in my grade That was the best highest grade rape. I had this weekend at Gulfstream. And you know you look at the source and you say well that might be a local. You Know Delgada we call him a couple of years ago. It was a horse. You've got a pretty far bigger in second back in Florida servie with the maiden You know so he can get a horse down this path. There's some decent pedigree core though and that's the thing is You know he's he's not giving up a lot in terms of being a blue blood you know. His second dam was Santa Catarina second the Kentucky Oaks third the Breeders Cup Juvenile. Filly he That's his first generation. You're talking about what an impeccably brand Horsey is you know so tech dam was a really really good three-year-old Filly second in the Kentucky. Oh He's got the pedigree about him And that was a good win so I think he sold the day. In terms of the best performance there was some good performances. couple off Broadway performances. If you will. I like to talk about but at Gulfstream on Saturday I thought Sarah Cora was starting today. Well we'll see how quickly a Horses like violent city get stretched out and You know King Meister. Certainly Hannibal will go forward. It'll be he. It'll be difficult to even even with a seventy four buyer coming out of this show. He's closely related to strike power. Who He looks? It's a lot of the benefit of experience series. Kind of seen. Some of these plays before right. They're just different acts with the different year next to them in the playbill. And so you strike power was really good and then hit his distance limit and I think with King Meister. They didn't come on that fact in the race. The overall number is you sited what was in seventy You know so if you're a subscriber to that gail you're probably not gonNA look at King Bicester and say. Oh Yeah. This is a mile underneath mile and a quarter horse. You know he's he's probably GONNA end up somewhere like strike power And be pretty decent A Nice state sorts for sure Put Up to maybe like a mile and distance and and really sprinters winners. Were the the the rule of the week you know no parole down at fairgrounds just phenomenal For the second straight race you know he wants to buy twenty seven unclogged No parole looks like the deal to me in the sprint ranks. He reminds me a lot of lost in the fog. Remember lost in the fog won his first two races. One up in northern in California then went down to Arizona and WANNA little stakes race at turf paradise that regional just so but how good is he. I think no parole. There's not there's not a huge distance credit agree there but just an absolute star and I thought Wesley Ward uncorked a really promising three-year-old sprinter. They merchants of cool Kaelin during the spring. Need is a two year old and lick. Usually those kinds of horses aren't much but he brought merchants a cool back last week at Turf Web Levers Friday night and that was whistled and looked really good at doing so Going six and a half. I don't think he's GonNa go very far but I think that's a real three-year-old sprinter to watch named merchants of cool so I thought the sprint ranks really did well for themselves last week and I don't know how many classic type forces we got but I know that no parole is looking like like a really good sprinter virtual coup looks like a really promising sprinter and I think like you said Mark Source King Meister. I think it'd be a really nice sprints or so Future looks bright for that division. And he you know anything else that caught your eye that People are going to read about. I think palm springs runner. Europe finished was interesting in that race. when he ran second violent city by let's say probably wasn't expected to run that well first time we had a great data. A few if you and your express that account on Friday and Saturday when you log in I do the stats and trends in their four t racist throughout the the cards on the strong five on Friday and on Saturday and the CIDER violence first-time starters Gulfstream on the third really had a strong record and that was one of the staff decided to keep an eye on going into that race. Violent city ran the pedigree and against the trader staff right. I mean you had something kind of conflicting there. 'cause don't expect Ian Wilkes have six furlong sprinters right out of the block being brilliant and asked to be brilliant right off. The Bat. That survivor city ran well despite trainer intent really and that's usually a sign of a pretty good horse but I thought you know the runner up in there. I think is going to get a lot of attention because palm springs was a million dollar. Pletcher bread to go longer. There's a lot of distance in the pedigree there and he looks dead in the water like the Jock was in the bicycle. Ah Quarter Pole wasn't going anywhere going to be a distant fourth at best and then came back on for second and galloped out pretty well so I think palm springs is one of those horses GonNa make a big leap forward in the second start and we'll get a little bit more ground. Probably one turn mile next and you'll be you know he's three to five in this race. He'll be free to five or less on a one third mile L.. Next time and he could have a breakout race. Palm Springs was one of those horses who didn't win last weekend but it might be the next time really springs him forward nice and I suppose since I brought it up as you were good joining us. And given how well you liked the performance of Carrick Herro Wpro Premier Star tomorrow at Gulfstream in that seventh race going seven and again. I don't know how far this one wants to go but TAP pitcher out of a hold that tiger mayor but Clearly with care and militarist you know who disappointed a little bit for Karlovac Orissa In that spot but Premier Star tomorrow off the Win and and the buyer and I can tell for those that are those that are figure conscious six and three quarter debut on third graph for Premier Star as. Well I mean that's a good sorry. That's what you want to see. You WanNA seahorses coming out of races where there other positive performances and winter's coming out of them and as good as Cara and really was second bath after after setting the pace in his premier star who the first over trip that day and carried out and and still went on You know we'll see. Was it with the distance. You know how much farther premier premier started with one of his career. He got out a little bit in the lane. And that I start coming back seven in Tomorrow so that shouldn't be any issue at all. But that's what you WANNA see. And that's why y you know I've always kept these lists in and you can go back and look at the archives. You can't down to the ground but this year for the first time a countdown to the crown dot com. We've got a searchable database in. They're all the maiden allowance races with all my comments my grade for each race. So when Premier Star is running back you can go back. Check his last. His name appears anywhere else. You'll see comment in the core of a recap from this weekend. Says this race flatters Premier Star along those lines with the Nice win around Over the weekend that way you know playing on the Using the database To come up with the winner of I believe it was at fairgrounds. WHO's coming out of another key rate so that those Kinda Hannie cabinets can help us when we look at these strenghten schedule type of discussions here in January February? And that's all free you can just go and and sort through the database yourself. Everything's updated through this past weekend. Well we'll be looking forward to the written version but in the meantime what your early read Here to close out the conversation. Jeremy Let's talk about the Lecomte on Saturday which drew a very interesting group of fourteen. Yeah Yeah I mean you've got that triple rematch fairgrounds. On December twenty first right spent allowance race. Everybody wanted to see Mr Bonomo map Accessible people are accession They're all back you know so you got the three way rematch some post draws you know I mean the. The pill wasn't favorable to win math short out in the fourteen gene. Hold Mr Monoploy. Got The best of that. Probably in the two paths and there's no speed to his inside so Karachi Ruben. Kind of do what he wants. I think early in the race he can take field out a little bit into the first turn. He's got perfect. Started was outside and some others with some speed. But you know when you've got like no speed on the rail inside of you you're in the to pass. You can kind of breakthrough out of pather to drift everybody a little bit wider. You Know Lynn's maps probably the WHO she got it. BEAT IF YOU'RE MR monoploy because that's the one who beat you by head. Last time that was in fourteen whole you can kind of control how wide they go so the power You know the the Power Sword is definitely the hand of Jerusalem this race. You know based on the Post. Oh strong scabbard on the comeback will get this team. You know some semblance of what we can make out of the Breeder's cup juvenile you know Annadurai and pretty well in the Racist Los Allen the charity Wrecking crew's been here since you know So you know. The quality of the juvenile will get a little bit of a push. We'll see how scabbard performs in there. I haven't handicap the race all the way through but I do have a little bit of interested in long shot and I know this is probably going to be twenty to one or more Shasha shaped me up for. Keep the storm both just even when we do our podcast on Thursdays the express that I call podcasts and I know going into the sugarbowl he and I both really taught that the debut win for Shasha shaped me up. One of those restricted sales made the specials at Churchill was really impressive and we both thought he'd run a lot better in the sugar agreable when he was just kind of even Steven didn't do much. It was a sloppy track that day. They're coming back in about five weeks including travel. In between now this has been settled settled in it fairgrounds for a couple of months I think shocked me. Up has some talent by Shackelford out of pulpits mayor. So there's no reason why couldn't get a mile and a sixteenth not a great post in the twelve hole but Jimmy grams of jockeys. WHO's rock solid at fairgrounds doesn't get that heart though James Grams not the kind of job? He's gotTa take money so I think you're we're going to get a price on Shasha. Shake me up. I haven't handicapped this race all the way through. You know and won't say that that's going to be my top pick in the rate but it very well could be an. It'll be a nice price. The thing I brought up yesterday with John White and we we kind of went through this field and gave everybody in early in her introduction. I find it remarkable. You look at a group. Fourteen horses and ten of them are coming off of wet track performances. And so whether it's the last out winners like Sycamore. Run or Lindsey map or horses that ran well in defeat like Finnick. The fierce I who at eight hundred eight to one got beat you know length less than a length diminishing length silver prospector. You've got to make a determination Shen over who may have benefited from the wet track for whatever reason race flow or predilection. And then you've got to figure figure out what it means in this spot and have not checked the advance forecast jet You know this time of year you get plenty of wet weather In nola but that's a big part of this equation and then you've also got a horse like perfect star For Scott Goellner coming offer an allowance win on the turf and he's going to go back to the dirt and I don't think he necessarily you know is a guarantee he'd that You know he can't negotiate the main track so you got some. You've got some tricky calls here. You also have got to deal with the the coronation winner right. You've got the attic mover there. Yeah coming off for asthma seller Churchill during the fall. Yeah not like the question was probably going to the synthetic not necessarily come back and deal with the coordination for charities. You take a mile and an eighth back early in the year and those races usually being carousel so for a horse to sit a little off the pace in past two three four runners like halo again did in that race is the exception. Not The rule if you look at the rents and over the years because that's really the the race in America that we think about the demise as late in the year for the two year olds who races almost always one by a horse. You know first or second early on in the race they just none of the two year olds really WANNA go nine. furlongs is the moral of the story and and whoever makes the pace and it's the best course just generally wins those kinds of reasons but Halo again. That's the feather in his cap. It'd be able to sit and finish in a race like that Synthetic or dirt. Either way you look at it so He's got to turn experience. Some of these will be trying. You know like the shot fake Manhattan gone to turn jets Bango hasn't gone through turns. Yet there's a couple in here. Your silver slave or at least tries turns for the first time after a one hundred mile. So there's there's a lot of questions in this race and there's not a crop right. I mean I think this is the race like we see in the Lecomte. Steve is a precursor to what we're GONNA see for the next two months. You know there is not a stand stand out in this crop. There's not a horse is three to five by his name in the program as soon as he shows up stakes. Ry there's just not there's just not those kinda horses Right now some that you know you. Maybe when Dennis moment comes back and and we'll see there But you know these races are GonNa be proving grounds early in the season. We're going to basically be formulating kind of a January one on opinion this crop this year more so than some of the others. I will say this so good name from last year's crop that you have to go to XP TV DOT COM and check out the workout. Is the law workout this past weekend. work with Work Work Barclays. Good half million dollars or tailed silent and maybe the district and just a phenomenal team work from the law if you had any doubt about his just wall after the Kentucky Jockey Club would you know. Did he just kind of peak early and is he not gonNA develop moved into a three year old year that lasts workout if you go to actually dot com and search sports is the law that's going to alleviate a lot of concerns you have about that horse. I turned about him. I moved down to like number nine and my preseason poll because I wasn't sure that Churchill Israel returned the off but maybe it was just the trip but I will in this money outside of Palestine. LOSE THE NETWORK OUT PROBLEM with down inside and he didn't WanNa go you know in traffic and things like that at Churchill down inside so maybe he just needs to be on the outside but that was a phenomenal workout. Really well you you want to see a workout. That might that might disconcert. I don't know if you saw my tweet last night. THEY XP TV put up a thousand words against paint me. Lucky who's WHO's a four year old maiden right paint me lucky handed him his head and I mean ah feed him like a rental car I it. I was like stunned watching it. How Good Oh you rolling out about mis read two or three vapid workout coming into rate recently with his teamwork? The horse look good as the other is the one who ends of winning on in the afternoon. Well I'm having a hard time reading baffert work right now. Maybe there's something do it. Well thousand words. It looked plus. He pulled up past the wire like Like he was out of breath chasing me. Lucky I I don't know if that means paint me. Lucky breaks his maiden next time or not but keep an eye out jeremy thanks so much watch countdown to the crown and the weekend preview is coming from both Jeff Siegel will join us on Friday and Jeremy and Horse I player now dot com countdown to the crown. I WanNa thank Jerry Rob and Brian. 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Is Jeremy Corbyn ready for government?
"Just before we start listening to this podcast reminded that we have a special subscription offer you twelve issues of the spectator for twelve pounds as well as the twenty pound Amazon voucher the go-to. You spectator dot com forward slash voucher if you'd like to get this offer to coffee shops spectators ages dany on these days moving dedi politics focused so we come to the end of Labor conference a day early following the news at the Supreme Court Has Burns's parading apartment as UNLU. F- of that meant that Jerry Kuban moved his speech the softening and joined vise even Bush where we started conference wants to cover on a beach without leaving and a taxi Stephen Watching Jeremy Corbyn speech what stood out to you saugus to things which stood stood out to me one on the it was essentially to speeches right that was the twenty minute speech by delivered very well on a topic then we know he's very fluent on feels assured good on which is the parliament's legitimate right involve itself in the democratic process and the awfulness old Boris Johnson Perogie and then and that was essentially the other speech which was the speech and he had clearly planned to give tomorrow and the supreme core verdict knock on the way it did. which was you know very policy rich includes a new initiative to introduce a state-backed producer of pharmaceuticals to get tougher on big Pharma and by my account five hundred billion pounds worth of infrastructure and sort of development spending so it was kind of a speech of Mo- even so much to offs I guess because the conference which was quite long I was quite struck by the fact and seeing as he has had some great clips today? Oh the crowd spontaneously reacting to the knowledge of Sir to the Neasden Houston of the Supreme Court Jasmine. I was surprised and he decided to launch his policies on the Dayton. He's not GonNa get much attention for them and he's already won the news cycle. Michael yes and the love Remez before the speech he was to shoot speech twenty minutes. It definitely wasn't twenty minutes and he was holding back some of the policy enhancements finance because you just can't get coverage will pick up because would pay mortgage-backed what's happening with the government and the judgment but I suppose look can't wider themes at that speech. One of the things that really struck out to me was this idea of privilege and the people and seems to be one of the themes Jeremy Kuban is now going on. which is this idea that the Tories of Party led by privilege people by an oath Sonian when you have a situation where nave ought to pitch hitch themselves as being on the side of the people those who aren't born into privilege you had Jeremy Kuban took that the fact that his policy didn't just represent the forty eight percent settled fifty percent to hear about the referendum result but the ninety nine percent the idea being that one percent of Hyannis people born to events wealth a north representative by this party and it does seem to me leaving Labor Conference McCartney driving down the pill that one of the things that's come as has been MRS? This is Class War Star Abby Fisher Party saying in a memo he quit coupons off s at that he thought there was a class will but he the policy on what the member spatial replenishing private schools feels like this Carin Direction. The Labor Party is going under Jeremy Corbyn as much keener to waste highlight class differences by they can't to political advantage. Do you think yeah we'll star. They coined of technical analysis is by the way you make. Boris Johnson less politically politically effective. Is You basically say you. Don't go who he's a special politician you. He's just another Tory. He's really quite Porsche and therefore that gets Saliba of the Labour coalition which voted leaves they might otherwise have electoral difficulties with thank insult to kind of return to their original party and to sort of trump pau loyalty now of course the flip side by David Cameron was able to do quite well in successive elections despite also being incredibly polished but of course David Cameron's electoral coalition edition ran through affluent social liberals and people we would now think offers remained voters who are not going to vote for Boris Johnson so may be than his. He's toxins makes him more electorally vulnerable and that's why they keep going on about it because they really want to to raise an invoice minds now the big issue from this morning. You're and I think Dr Equal benefits from anyways is clearly the judgment of the supreme goal and he saw Jeremy Corbyn gets up point of order on the conference stage at a night set and say a the party wanted a general election but it does seem say they're still very very many caveats when it comes to general election when it comes to what the the Gopher and speaking in his latest each German. Kuban said they wanted to know action wants no deal had been taken off the table that some they've MP's nothing it could be up to January great when you get an election. I think there is a sense. It will be sooner than that. He speak to the higher up the chain but Steven. What do you think Jerry Corbitt needs to see before his policy back. AXA general election well the extension to have been secured on this is that pass the fatty festival type type Boris Johnson to have gone to to Brussels to request an extension to Abreu back on for parliament voted through. I this thing I kind of think actually there on that. Many caveats will labor all asking for so. I think there's no question about what's not doing the best job of of communicating that position but that position is with the lived with SMP essentially okay. You can have your election but we want our extension first. SNP state did appear suggest that they might sooner for the semantic saying seizing the moment getting rid of this. Did you think that is sustainable. Jeremy Corbyn to push off the sham election for a couple of weeks. Perhaps politically sustainable i. I don't think it is I agree don't think he wants to I think essentially right so the kind of electoral interest of the full stop brexit parties. I'm discounting the sole green. MP for these puppies right so the SMP always need to have a position of labor is strong enough. We really strong so they will always kinda hinted job of legged. They might be willing to do it sooner. Lib Dem's no they have to be the we will stop brexit. We won't risk and no deal so it's it's easier and better for them to be more cautious about doing coming into the extension is certain labor kind of has to make sure it's knocking too far away from either of those parties to stop being of Zinged by one but I just think thank manure the feeling at the top of the Labor Party is leaving cooling for an election for a long time. They want an election because they believe election bore costing Roseville album turn around around. They all going to go for an election. oncein extension is in law and finally we about to train but looking back in time a conference. Hyphen Stephen is winning. There's been lots of intensified social squabbling. That's being the sense that this took who was succeed. Jeremy Kuban. It feels at times like this is the party preparing for defeat round victory. Do you think that they currently is a government in waiting. I mean in terms of the unity and a kind of sense of how some of its aspirations would actually be delivered as policy know how the the important to the thing in these conferences reiterated is a conservative for all their opinion polls have serious problems as far as our electoral coalitions effectiveness under the first pasta post a concerned they have serious problems in terms of the challenges thank in office having been in for quite some time and none of these problems have gone away so just because Jerry Windows looked like he leads a government awaiting doesn't change the fact that he might well be leading a government in waiting. Thank you see that and thank you for listening. We've we all back Western. SAMOA'S PARLIAMENT RETURNS SO DIV keep up then for all the latest twists intense
Johnny Avello, DraftKings Sportsbook
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Welcome Jeremy Johnny. A couple months ago talking to Chris Christie on outside the lines he was a champion of legalizing sports wagering during in New Jersey and other places and he described as a success story particularly from New Jersey. Big Picture her. How do you think the the advent of widespread legalized sports wagering in the US beyond the state of the Vata last last couple of years is going? I say it's going very well. Remember now wish we opened up in New Jersey back in July of the two thousand eighteen. That was our first Dive into sportsbook wagering Jersey's just been a huge success Now now since then we've certainly opened other jurisdictions some on the digital side some on the point of sale Your retail is they. I'd like to call it where the consumer has to walk up to the counter and make a wager but in all the jurisdictions that we've stepped in everything think's going very well so dance your question. I guess we're one word successful. Why why are some models working better than others? Is it mostly about the availability of online wagering if you happen to be Geo Tagged in New Jersey. No question that the digital side or the mobile side is the more successful model Now just think about that for a SEC. When and you you Approach state you're within that state's boundaries. You can actually download the APP. You can fund it and you're off and running with your wagers And some other areas you have to actually go into a vocation sometimes drive drive you know quite a bit of time to get there and then go walk up to the counter walk up to a kiosk and make your wager so that is not going in a track. The masses That's that works because you know we've done that in Nevada for years But the the digital piece to me is the part of the equation. It really gives it to springboard. We're speaking with Johnny Avello. He's the head of the Sports Book for Draft Kings. Where you know what what is the? What is the goal here for people in the industry I mean how? How do they wanna see people accessing the ability to wager on sports? What is kind of is? Obviously everybody's phone. Everything's everybody's phone right now but is it through. Specific companies is like like draft kings. Is it through the states themselves. Who is really going to be the interface as in this industry grows? Well you're asking a guy that works for draft. He's in my opinion. It's draftking drift cakes. Draft Cakes I think we have the finest Mobile APPs out there digital product So you know you ask where I think You know we're I want it to go where I wanted to continue to move forward is People to experience the draft yet so now the reason I say that of course I'm biased just to our company but we do have a great content Easy to use application You know we're going to keep expanding and so where are we going. We're just going to keep moving forward and being in places that WanNa have is which I think is most And so you know the plan versus versus just to keep moving forward so I guess you know just to answer your question what do you what do you WANNA use. I think you WANNA use draft kings. I think we're doing everything right or continue to improve and It's just full steam ahead for us. Well I I guess I should put it this way johnny in terms of you know you're you're all offering the service. Basically what are the bells and whistles that are gonNA drive somebody to say draft kings as opposed to William Hill. You know once they've got got something up and running this comparable. Yeah I think we have more content than anybody I and the in game wagering is an important piece piece Now you know. We've signed some deals with PGA And so in in a in other sports you know major sports outlet so uh that this endgame wagering piece is an important part of all of this people are able to wager on The game within the game And and I think that's going to be where the future is long-term people are going to continue to to play that way and I and I noticed and I want to talk to people. They say well you. You know I'm not GonNa bet this game Before it starts. I'm going to bet this game after it starts because I'm not so sure if I the point spread is right so I'm going to wait and see what happens early in the game. Then I'm going to jump in so I think the engaging piece is that is the the part that still has quite a bit of growth with yet. We're speaking with Johnny Avello. He runs a sportsbook at draft kings from Las Vegas and as I mentioned at the top. You know we've got the because bowl games coming up. We got the super bowl coming up the NFL playoffs in a few weeks. What is this time of year like for you? Now that there's this new component to the industry outside of Las Vegas and Nevada It's still hectic for me You know those bowl games were released on Sunday and we had to get those up as quick as possible You know and it took the crew few hours we all that our heads together and made number. So that's a hectic time now that those numbers are up. Now it's just a daily It's a daily Grind signed with the College football and college basketball and pro basketball So it's not a lot's changed for me You know it's still it's still You know being in a hectic the one thing that has changed for me I guess is that Not really on the floor anymore. And I'm not actually you know down with the customers. So now I'm more in office with my crew You know formulating formulating. Odds are definitely yeah so in that respect it has changed a bit. you give us a sense Johnny again. It's only been under two years since since we've seen the effects of the Supreme Court ruling allowing a sports wagering outside and Nevada and we've seen some states immediately get on board others others have plans to do so few I guess a resisting but how much bigger is the legal sports wagering business now than it was before this got started a year and a half ago I think we're just touching the surface You know there. There's a few quite a few states on board but there's a lot more to come some are still in the in the process of passing Legislat- legislation. Some have passed. Some you know start until next year So you know. We're just getting started. Jeremy It's you know Jersey's a big state and handles great there and in other places we've gone Just recently you know. Pennsylvania and Indiana You know business has been great but I think we're just a we're just at the start of all this. Yes I mean you know. We're we're probably only Maybe twelve to fifteen percent through all the states that can possibly come on board food and At some point I gotta think that all states are going to participate maybe not all but a ninety percent I believe are going to so. It's really deep the tension when a state is making this decision about whether to legalize sports wagering about The adverse effects of more widespread sidespread wagering. Most people agree if you legalize it where people are going to do it. And at the same time you're eliminating or you're limiting a lot of the motivation vacation to participate in illegal wagering in the state will benefit because it doesn't collect obviously any taxes on the illegal wagering portion does that really The debate the subject of the debate We're states haven't made a decision whether they want to see gambling more widespread and more available which is what will happen or if it's happening anyway let's at least make some revenue on it and control it states. Had I don't know sometimes what the motivation Asian is or isn't for the states Sometimes they're just a little bit slow you know to get it going into To introduce it to put it up for vote You know so. It's not. Everybody is is aggressive and wants it now Summer kind of a wait and see type of mode so When I think when they're when they watch it they see how it's evolving and they see how You know how we really we have strong compliance issues and You know how we continuously tried to do everything right As far as whether whether it be some you know gambling you know handling people that problem gambling. We try to do everything. We possibly can to adhere to the right right things to do. And what would a state with WANNA see. So I tell those states just have been on the sideline Just waiting to see how this thing goes. But if you've seen over the past year and a half now you can see that That runs well. That it's it's fun for People that live in your state and you you know there's money for the state to be made. There's you know there's also very sophisticated. Gamblers out there that uh that liked the play and I know they're very happy. Be That we've opened up in additional states You know gives them more opportunities to play so I always see it as as fun and entertainment and and we have. We've actually done that aspect of two. We've done last year in New Jersey. We did the Oscars and we did the EMMYS offering odds on both of those entities. Ladies and You know they were successful in that. Brought in a whole new type of wager more. I think there were more female. Signed up at that time than any other time on our APP. Yeah well it's only getting bigger Online wagering wagering. Outside of the state of Nevada New Jersey Johnny Avello is certainly the In the forefront of those efforts he is the head of the Sports Book for Draft Kings which is one of the big APPs on which you can wager. It's GonNa be a busy month for you. And of course March madness right around the corner johnny. Thank you for joining us go. You're welcome Jeremy. Thank you for having me. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions. 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Verdict: the final leaders debate
"Just before we start listening to this podcast reminded that we have a special subscription. Her he can at twelve issues of the spectator for twelve pounds as well as the twenty pound Amazon Voucher. The GO-TO YOU SPECTATOR DOT com forward slash voucher. If you'd like to get this offer a welcome to coffeehouse shots potatoes this daily and these days more than daily politics focused. I'm cables during James's life and the New Statesman Stephen Bursch and we have just had the final debate eight of the election campaign on Primetime. TV with the BBC leader's head to head. We had Jeremy Kuban going up against Boris Johnson. Jeremy Calm when and fast was opening statement James. What did we learn? From today's debate. We learn from today's debate. The portions turn every question to the issue of getting Brexit exit done. Jeremy wants to come back to austerity every possible opportunity. It was a fairly predictable debate in that way IVY. They were better than they were in the first. It debate on. Dave was any moment that is going to change the game in this election. I feel Rav Osorio for the people who will after having to clip this debate for the ten o'clock news tonight because there's a huge amount in it to take out I'm having you saw from Bortles GonNa predictably to be relentless message discipline on the gap Brexit dumb message but I just hasn't changed the parameters of election so all comes onto the question of if if you've seen the polls are right when they point towards a working majority. It was a good night for the Tory party. If you think for the polls might be missing something when it is less certain because it wasn't certainly wasn't a knockout blow Brussels and didn't disprove Jeremy Hawkins fitness to promise. Not and he wasn't really trying to. He was instead just just for a hammer his own messages. In a way that you would if you fought your ahead of the game yes you mentioned clips and I am racking my brain as to which clips if any are pocus produces into. You should be discovering this evening Stephen. What stuck out for ye from the aunt is politician so she for me the most interesting and actually the only loans where I felt was genuinely revealing was because the audience questions in word my view uniformly bad right they will also very aggressive institutes of which both is able to deal with very easily but one person when all you willing to public safety over human rights which obviously is a wet liberal found deeply irritating novitiate Kuban did did a with my extreme unbiased than anyone who wants question in favor of the Human Rights Angle I will immediately go ten points? Kuban did it very well. But actually Boris Johnson and I thought dealt with it very well in his immediate answer and was quite unwilling it fell to me to occupy the hanging and flogging position and that he knows and year he's choice of of Home Secretary indicates he knows he ought to be in and it was quite striking. Because obviously the thing which is typified Bruce Johnson's leadership is a willingness to abandon positions. He has held previously to win. And it always to me at least interesting when you discover what someone's internal internal red lines are and it seemed that we discovered tonight that one of his red lines isn't he isn't quite willing to go. Of course I will put public. Blake safety over human rights. Now that's breakdown the various topics in tonight's debate as Stephen Touch and it did seem as they relative ease. burs Johnson managed to move most questions about brexit and Jeremy could manage and lots of questions back to cost of living that stopped brexit. Now Boris Johnson we know is happiest discussing brexit happiest. Agnes free was get brexit done and he did that at many opportunities multiple times tonight. However is his Jeremy Kuban? He has a harder time. James to chief is Jeremy Couvin was helped slightly from the release of the documentary today by Labor which suggested that Berchules salsas being fairly lease with the truth on checks. The Irish border has an Irish seaboard. Eh Jeremy Kuban sounded more confident of his position. The problem of Jeremy Corbyn took over his he is leading his Chin because his previous fee for the IRA. I'm Boris Johnson. Predictably dinged him on that. During the debate eight point saying he was going to take lectures from Jeremy. Corbyn on the issue of a union and giving Corbin's but portion school coin's Paul support for the IRA on tonight. I was quite effective in Example of how repetition can be effective and every point is basically. We're now ten minutes the debate and we still don't know where Jeremy Corbyn Sands on brexit. Then he was like with twenty minutes into the debate missoula forty minutes just and we. We did actually to be fair to they. Actually get it through all the way through the debate. He did drawing point home relentlessly. I don't think there's an interesting question. Warming Tori are utterly convinced by is that Corbin's position of neutrality own breakfast huts and I've during naturally does a fairly good job of explaining. Why only he has one? He wants to stay neutral countries to divided these coming together but do intelligent. Brutal politics portion is very sorry effects. Were Hammering Point Steven one of the issues for the Conservatives in the past week or say has been the the Liberal Democrat has been getting done and some of the appears to be going into Labor now logic suggests that if lived on voters those who are not completely opposed to Jeremy Kuban to such as re they can't even entertain the possibility of him dot com dining street. If lived on voters he owes me feel very pro. The e passionate make the calculation that vote for Labor is the best way to get to a second referendum. Could spell trouble for the Tories over the next couple of days leading up to Thursday. Do you think Jeremy Cubans pitch in Matt debate where he spoke at several times about why he's a referendum was the best plan for the country and we would hence moves in that group. Yeah I mean I think we we know the known unknown in this election is how big is the size of the group of lived voters who just will not vote for Labour in its current form and is it small enough then they can. They can take all of the rest and get a hung parliament and I think he basically everything you need to do to win over. Those people had a strong answer on civil liberties over security. He spoke about the needs of the need to have another referendum. But also crucially. He's not Boris Johnson and people understand how our electoral system works books and by agreeing to these two debates the risk the conservatives have taken isn't there are enough people who when you because we saw this in the ramp to the debate with Joe Winston even hear what Boris Johnson. The BBC TV have handed to Corbin is an a live live television demonstration. And he's the pool if you want to stop Boris Johnson. Now we know that some people that lever is so repellent and they can't bring themselves to polite even even if they find the prospect of another conservative government emotionally painful to them but I think he basically did everything you need to do to everyone who doesn't find emotionally painful. All the people who are talk about funding emotionally painful to pull the lever. Now let's talk about domestic issues and spending and that was a topic for discussion where the food working week came up. Something which has been the subject of I've say some mockery and also quite low conversation on at least our daily podcast over the past. Couple of weeks leaks. Jeremy Coleman was specifically about the four day working week and he appeared James. These from where I was sitting to form a slight change of position to these as-as party had said so then. NHL Staffing nurses. It was question about what the each party to help. Nurses he suggested that it was is not the case a four-day working week would apply to energy stuff now. John McDonald did suggest in a press conference where Jonathan Ashworth to shadow helps. offsite looked slightly alarmed. That would apply to this group. Do you think that was a purposeful rohbock or is that just being on top of whatever new shadow cabinet that I've in the four day we if it always majority this election one of the moments we will rise by living Labor into the four day week policy at their conference because when they announced it batory. We're not certain highly public would react to it. That was all nervousness that this might be light. Some of Labour's two thousand seventeen giveaways might strike a chord the the public. Don't buy it the public. Essentially think they can for four days a week and get paid the same as if they work for five dozen work and the toys of used it acquaint quite effectively new troy some of his chest. Tonight you did see Jeremy Corbyn move further away from it when they had previously Biz now appears to be a labor idea of John Lennon Song leric imagine only working four days a week Ralph within an actual and we will begin policy and it will be implemented at this point at this time time so that definitely was a shift in in Labor's position on that four day week Western now i Johnson was asked about his own costings and Thompson. Awesome Manifesto Stephen and the point was made by Nick. Robinson the Otani brochures had promised dissolution on social cab no details of that. The idea of cost along the few aspects said why is it that actually the conservatives can own this high ground on their Konami she thinks if we you think about I suppose fiscal rules. We think about fiscal competence. There is a potential issue for the sabotage of action or actually is it really a positive for them. The taxes taper so with the massive caveat to humiliatingly wrong in five days time. I just think in the same way. It doesn't matter how than there are more calories in a pre-christmas Sandwich. Then they're all in a big MAC. Pro is the healthy brand. McDonald's or the false food brand labor are the generous brand does not matter how many times the Tory say we've run the HSA most of its existence. They're the ones who on entrusting Ditto. It doesn't matter the Conservatives. I'm sort of their fiscal budget. Just incoherent right it. No one could look at them and give that a passing grade. You timidly saving Labor's fiscal plans in here but but the conservatives are the mean fiscally tough party and Labour all the generous profligate party and and I just think it doesn't matter the Conservatives have got quite an incoherent spending plan because that brand isn't they don't until I think I think they'll be fine now. The another topic that was discussed was both of the parties weaknesses in times of discrimination in terms of racism. And that was an anti Semitism phobia. James I use it to me. At least Berge assumes perhaps engaging in the most serious way on these questions because he managed to pivot both of them back to Brexit. Yeah I mean I thought that was. Perhaps the most striking of a kind word examined post on civility shift the conversation back to get brexit dumb. Whatever the question was I think it's actually can deeply depressing about the state of our politics of the moment? which is you would think in election in which the chief rabbi had essentially said to non-jews? He's please don't vote for Labour. We will overly crudely paraphrase and said please but yeah the conscience and vote to keep our community safe and we don't Ping Labor would you would think this question's very easy for the choice but one of the things I do think. The issue of Islamophobic Party is the same as the issue of Im seven tonight but I think people the talk with the Tory party are trying to actively protect Islamophobes in the same way that you'll sing but happening party but it is. He's also quite clear. Beieve Forward Tori talk of people being out in the first bounce if they say Islamophobic things all things that express prejudice against Islam religion that that that is not quite true. Ip Not as it was depressing that belief sowings basically wanted to get away from this question as quickly as possible all about us. He's not particularly impressive. State of affairs Stephen on Antisemitism. It's certainly felt so Jeremy Coon more politic and we're willing to engage on on the topic then in his agent yet I think he he does now have a form of words than he goes and lots of people who've being on the forefront of fighting inside Sim they probably would say that they felt in his former village was not highly accurate but he does have a form of words and he's now willing to say and finally a question. The Mitch managed to throw at least one politician of God came to the end of the F. Sake and that was when a lady in the audience aspect leaders. What punishment they they thought politicians? He lied during actions described and listen to the clip. Heh well they should. They should be they should be made to go on then needs to don. The through the Chamber of the House of Commons scourging themselves with copies of their their offending documents switch claim to prove one thing actually prove something quite different. Stephen Bruce Johnson seems loss for words. That didn't he and if anything sanders. Uh embarrassed as he tried to take his way that yeah well. I mean he's ultimately apology needs to be loved right. And you can see this actually in the House of Commons when he takes a sympathetic okay question but take you when he was taking it from one of those ones who ultimately given the whip back you could feel him almost wanting to come over and bring them towards him and this is an issue where his own unpopularity artie which we kind of neglect. Because unpopularity is so much greater even than his is sort of Brew Front and Center. I signed on a focus group recently. In which the person running session molter to write down in that groups three words to with Boris Johnson and they all chorused liar. And you'll know no no. I wouldn't do it privately. But and I think that's one of the reasons why he struggles with it because it is a visible symbol of the fact that yes zipped right. He's going to go to quite heavy victory but he is not now and will never be the kind of much loved son King of London. Guess James as if he listened to Boris Johnson. Supply it got I think. A singular clap. Maybe to free people. Clapping Jeremy Kuban came in as much more somber in his Johnson talking about holding the government to account. And how you know these things can be joked to write and that received quite a reasonable. I think rant of applause teasing this is burst. Johnson's weakest spot in this campaign or Katie's EP and saying trust is the biggest issue. Boris Johnson Selection and ironically. This was the question why he should should have pivoted straightaway to getting breakfast on thank you. We can argue about the precise for US divers to statements but there is no now but in the twenty eighty seventeen election the vast majority of. MP's Durham a Personal Anna Party platform. They would respect the referendum result and the brexit would happen. We are having this election because a two and a bit years on people have not on that commitment I think if he made that point in response he could've turned the trust question around to his own advantage and having a in way his demeanor was was a bit of shame faces. Sheepish wasn't true key would be much better to go on the offensive on that question. The biggest favor told laws in two thousand seventeen. Jeremy Corbyn stood on the manifest saying he would respect the referendum result. He announced on for you tonight from a second referendum. I'm having that is the mistake may not track question. There is a way that he can turn the trust question to the tourist advantage. But he's not doing it confident enough. Thank you James. Thank you Steven and thank you for listening.