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Purple Pants Podcast | A Reason to Smize

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Purple Pants Podcast | A Reason to Smize

"Hey price this desi. From season thirty five of survivor. Heroes Healers hustlers and I just had to come. Show my baby boy some love. I miss you so much and you know we were supposed to have our reunion this weekend and Atlanta. I don't get to see you in person but I'm glad that I always have you on demand to hear your voice because it's it's it's purple pants. Podcast is the purple is the purpose of paying cash. Up Quick cash public might be stomach. Her cash is trying to why their backs Wa cash. You met Hervey right go pans. Hello Hello Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the Purple Pants podcast. I am your host Bryce Isaiah and I am so excited you guys decided to listen because we got a jam packed episodes okay. I'm GonNa give you a reason to smile is. I hope everyone is doing well. Welcome to all our new listeners. Welcome back Purple Pants Posse. Yes we got a lot to get through this episode. I hope everybody's weakened was good. My we can ex- you know busy as a quarantine be. I was filling orders for the Purple Pants Protection Mask and you know of others extra time on my hands since we are on a quarantine. I've become really a gardener. Got My green thumb in. I've been propagating a Lotta plants. The last couple of weeks so I planted some plants today in my garden so and it's been a beautiful weekend in Philadelphia. I don't know how your cities are but in filet. We had a high eighty degrees. You couldn't tell baby boy. Not so I was out on my back deck playing my plants putting them in soil. It was so much fun. It was relaxed. And I'm like looking at me. Gardner brights and I was so excited. I had a big week this week. I actually got to take over this official instagram page for the savage takeover and there was so much fun. Baby boy you know I had to turn it out out. Now you tell me which survivor I g takeover you saw was it's popping. Is that our wait? I'm waiting and I'm waiting okay. 'cause nobody does it like your baby. Boy Bryce is Zeta but listen. We got a juicy juicy juice. Say episode for you this week so without further ado. Let's get into what's going on. We got our church announcements and on the menu. This week we've got our survivor news with Jack Atkins and we welcome my coggin cast mate. Alexis Taylor Mex- well. We've got the product son back on their kindness. Say 'cause it's the season finale I've got HBO insecure. I've got a secret love and I'm breaking down the smiles challenge. I asked my good friend. Desi Williams Dot Com and explain. What the challenge is you know we've got the purple pants. Picks I got advice with Bryce barbs message and a freak out a week bay so you already know this podcast about the be jumping jumping jumping. Oh ladies leave your man. Oh okay let me stop because you know I love I could bust out in the song and dance all day Welcome for this week's church announcement is short and sweet. I only got to church announcements own area and the first one is. I've been saying I got new music comment. I've been saying I got new music. Comedy and got new music comment will guess what this Friday may eighth? I have a new single out. You know what you're looking for. I did with e Berrios. Well we are back. We've got a new song setback. It's e- burials featuring the one and only breath Zeta and you know at midnight on. May eighth this single will be available all platforms spider five. Okay I tunes okay. The Google play store. Okay even think my uncle Kooky going to have a couple of copies in Beca his car. So it's going to be out. I'm so excited for this new song. It's amazing like I said before I had went through a very you know difficult had in my life a couple of months ago where I really felt as though I was taking a huge setback but I had to tell myself like it's not a set-back it is you know some people say it's a setback. I say it is a come up. And we and life experience a lot of setbacks in our life and sometimes in those moments it really can define you of who you are. It's not always like who you are when you're at where you think should be is really about where you are when you're not where you're at and what you do in those moments listening some say. It's a setback. I say come up. I'm so excited. This Friday may eighth. Burials featuring breath setback will be available on need for your to support. And you listen. I need you. I need the feedback. I need to see your instagram stories. I need to see on twitter. I need to see everywhere. I'm so excited you know baby boy got some new music and second one. The church announcements. I just want to give a warm hearted. Thank you to everyone that has supported me and purchase my purple Pants Protection Mask. This weekend. I sold out. I'll have no more baby boy and sold out and I was like order more but I said no way. I'm not even GonNa do all of that. I am just very happy that my first batch sold out you know that just let you all know when they put some stuff out. Y'All can't be way in. Don't wait on it. You gotTa jump up on it you gotta get up on it so I just wanted to say. Thank you to everyone who supported and you know. It's a good cause because everyone is staying safe. We need to wear these face masks during this cove in nineteen. Because there's some serious stuff out here but we can get through it together and that is going to conclude this week's church announcements disappear. Great Stupa bed. Who took enough a great student and we are back this week with Artha -vivor news but bay. I'm so excited because listen with the way survivor has been these last couple of weeks. They've been turning up the heat so I figure why not turn up the heat this week. So let's welcome back our resident reporter Jack Atkins Jack Baby boy are you there. What's going on but it's how you doing. I am great and wait a minute. Why here at knock at the door? Alexis Alexis Mex- well from Thi- survivor. Cottage on his bets. You that isn't me. Hey Hey Alexis how are you? I'm good. I'm so excited to be on the PODCASTS. At the jazz career beauty reunion how. I'm starting to feel more and more beautiful by the second right now is so exciting. Alexis how are you doing? How have you been good? Just quarantine playing a lot of animal. Crossing watching a lot of survivor. Oh No you. Have you been quarantining with just me and my fiance Evan? And our two dogs which are keeping me sane for sure that is so exciting and are have you been keeping up to date with the season. Are you up to date with winners? Air War yes I am. I watch every episode live. I tweet live even though my two and sometimes just like my brain thoughts right there but yeah. I'm up to date but I still remind her what happened last last Wednesday because sometimes I forget yes. Well listen I think baby boy Jack Atkins got US cover so jack. What you've got it. Listen I think the first thing I want to talk about is the challenge this week. Where Bryce also shadow? It for taking over the survivor instagram last week. But doing the challenge on there to where you know you got the water bucket over the head. You're on a perch on. We see this week. A man and a woman are eligible to win immunity. Two of the players are going to be immune and we also see wants. It gets down to five people. Jeff brings out the peanut butter cookies the chocolate all the fixings and we have several people. Step Down Nick step down we have Michelle. Saddam we have Kim stepped down and ultimately this week. We see Kim go home and she clearly regret stepping down. Bryce what did you think of stepping down in this episode? And what do you think of stepping down sitting out of challenges in general guys? I'd love to hear your thoughts. Well I definitely felt like winners aboard two million dollars. Bay To only way. I'm sitting down if if if I'm Joe England and pass the hell out data if that's how I'm sitting down okay. I step for notes. Who MILLION DOLLARS? Okay no peanut butter cookies. No pizza nerve. They case the D. is a different story story. Alexis which shooting girl. I just think it's definitely strategic sometimes and I think there's cases where like if you have a joe on your season and you know this is me personally. I feel like there will be some challenges where I would know that. I have zero shot of winning this against that person. Granted in this one it was a women and female are female a male winner so like no shot that I would ever have stepped down. Didn't go for six hours before with poverty in the original. Yeah it's like you gotta fight two million dollars no jokes. I agree with Bryce like if I if I think I have a chance of winning. It even the slightest chance. You GotTa fight it the to me. It's like in the challenges were Jeff gives the option before the challenge to sit down and eat. If I see this challenge and I know it's something I'm not going to be successful at and I don't feel like I'm in danger than yeah maybe I sit out. Get some grubbing me. But if I'm in the middle of the challenge Kim or even neck where it's down to two people from my gender balance out. I don't think I'm stepping out there because clearly I do a decent job. I Know Kim after the episode said that she felt like she's about to fall so she wanted to get some food out of it. But I mean ultimately you gotTa keep pushing until you really really know your hundred second fall because when it's down to two people with two million dollars you could buy a lot of peanut butter and a lot of cookies with two million dollars sow for Sharon I would be saying. My head is two million dollars two million dollars for hours. That's what I would say final eight so it's crunch time you really gotta like push if it's the final thirteen and you're not worried than maybe but final eight. Everyone's going to be in danger especially when two people are immune. Yeah for sure but I mean moving forward after that we see Tony when his third straight immunity which is absolutely crazy. Denise picks up another immunity she might be the Queen of these Split Gender immunities because she won that. I won on the poll. Jeremy but then we start getting a lot of strategy here in Kim's original plan of gunning for Tony's obviously off the table It looks like the targets turning towards Jeremy Which ends up changing later. But it Kinda comes down to Jeremy and Kim with Jeremy Tony and Sarah on one side and then the other five on the other side. But I just want to touch on Ben's game quickly because we haven't talked a whole lot about Ben and I'll be honest and I like Ben as guy so I hope this is the purple podcast but I don't he doesn't take it personally but I really think he is making a lot of mistakes here for one. You just saw this episode of. There's a little bit of an idol blunder when he finds the idol. Right in front of Tony and Jason. What are you doing it right here? He's all my my bad. Additionally like he won't talk to Jeremy which I think is the biggest flaw here one. It's like when you don't have an open relationship with pretty much. Everyone in the game. That's GONNA corner you into a very tight strategic position because you have a limited amount of people to work with plus. It's just kind of like rude to Jeremy. Jeremy's is a great guy. Don't know why it's almost like Dan. Ben Wanted Jeremy Out and because Jeremy didn't go out like willingly now. Ben Is pissed shows more going on that. But it's just like jammies trying to make that men the relationship and dentists not having it and also now maybe a Guy. You're trying to put on the jury. Do you really want a jury member? Just absolutely loath you lake. That's just bad. Jerry Management and then also. I think in preparation for this vote Dan. Dan Thinks Nick is going to be voile after this. Vote if Jeremy Goes Home I think. That's just a really bad misread on knicks game. Play like why. Why wouldn't they want to go to the end with Tony? Sara and Dan when you go to the Michelle Denise. It just doesn't make sense to me. What do you guys think about? Ben's game right now well I mean. I actually spoke to Ben this week. He called me so we actually had a lovely conversation. I'm so there's lots of breakdown of what you just said. So one I think that idol plunder like I mean he he tried his best but obviously was not descend enough also. I think that it's important. I think Alexis than I Can touch on this from our own game and Kagi on. It is definitely important to talk to people on your tribe even if you're mad at him because I definitely know that when you're playing the game although it's easy for us to sit at home and wash them but like why aren't you talking but baby what. I'm trying to tell you when emotions are running high. You really kind of forget that you're playing a game and even for Alexis deny like Alexis than I when we were on Kagi on we probably were the closest people in camps. Like when I mean we slept together. We didn't sleep together all the time but di woke up every day. We talked we laughed. We like had the best time but when it came to talk strategic we never ever ever ever talked and I always pose some type of way about Alexis for that. Because I'm like. Why does she talk to me about strategic like? I don't understand and I just felt like she was one of Lj's minions and I'm like okay and then were came to me from. Jeff Fra Dad. She was got in for me so baby if you come in for me. I'm coming for you. Guns Blaine Phrase france-presse episode back. It happened the opposite. I Geoffrey till us. You were coming from me. I I've never ever was targeting. You until Jeffrey told me that about a year. So that's how that went down for sneaky. She did. She was the one those leaking information all around. I didn't even realize but I agree with you. I had. I made that mistake at our first beach and when I went to a party I was just to like afraid of having my core alliance. See me talking to other people which is a very rookie thing for share and thinking that I'm playing multiple signs like I didn't WanNa rock the boat and our first beach like I knew I was in a comfortable position. That's part of the reason why didn't but when I got to the second page it really bit me in the ass. Because I didn't even talk to like my core are my original beauty members that much because I knew that they weren't planning to work with me but if I if we gathered some information together we would have had a much better gameplay. We ended up having with the brains on our side. Even remember like. I don't know if you remember this Alexis. But after like they after we lost challenge and we got back to the beach and you know someone went for a walk. We were all sitting by the fire and you know you Jeremiah. Jeff Fra. You all went to walk down by the beach. And then I was sitting with L. J. And then Eljay went down to walk by the beach and I'm just literally sitting by the fire and watching you guys talk and this is like one of the things that I regret the most about myself. I ever play with you guys that like. I am literally like watching you guys at the beach. Talk obviously bit. You know you guys are staying me. And what a difference. It would have made first of all if Spicy Bisi when it came on out because I wanted to bring him out so bad but I was so worried about like how people would perceive me but I wish I would have walked down to the beach and been like Worcester. T what's going on. Why are you guys fluting like you know what I mean? I wish I would have blown up so much because that really could've opened the opportunity for us to talk. They could open opportunity to show like you Jeremiah. For Life I know little girl sitting on the side of the bench. Like I'm ready to play and I like that is just like one of my biggest regret. So I definitely relate that to ben like where even if you don't like Jeremy is information in the game of survivor is so crucial. So yeah he definitely is missing out on opportunities. Also WanNa bring up one point. Sorry Boyd Bad. Jeremy is the king of skating out of getting voted out of trauma war. Yeah he's a little bamboo bench and just take it easy. And somehow each tribal. He's really getting out of it. Which is pretty crazy. All not like you guys make great points when you're in the game and emotions running high and you have a Menagerie of other people that you need to manage relationships with you might like I can understand. Why in the moment stuff like that happens but it is winners at war. I mean I just think Ben at the very least should not be so aloof with Jeremy. I'm sure that's something you're trying to tell you Jack. Like as a former player is not that easy. Sometimes sometimes it really is like you second guess yourself but know for sure. I agree with you. Like he definitely needs to step his game up because it's like he's getting down to the end and he's still in it. He's coming go ahead. Alexis saying like you call that he has playing. It seems right now. Very emotional emotionally driven like all of his reasonings for wanting to vote people out seem emotionally charged and not necessarily for the long game so I think that that's hurting him in like in this case when he wanted Jeremy Out and that was his plan he himself kind of through that under the bus. By telling Tony that Kim was gunning for him. What did he think was going to happen by telling Tony that exactly? And it's it's like I don't know Benesova worried he. He's so Mad Jeremy. Partly because he's saying Jeremy's GonNa win if he gets an but your closest allies are Tony. Sarah in my opinion are probably the two best players in this game but on this point I just think about it a little bit. I do WanNa make the point where I've seen a lot of players like them getting a lot of hate the season and while I think we're going about it in a very objective strategically minded way like we all know that you were fans him as a guy. I would just like to say that like other fans and players that like you guys said when you're in the game it's a lot different so I don't think there's all this need for this unnecessary hate especially on a personal level and I'm sure it bends heard this strategic criticism over and over but I didn't realize he was even getting. Hey that's that sucks. I hate that. Because he's he's also provided a lot of comedic relief this season two and he's definitely likable player. But your point is absolutely right. Like you're you're out there. Twenty four seven with this group of people with nothing to do but interact with each other and things can just get a little bit intense if that's the case so let's say you got to be respectful of other people but for sure but and I also has said this to Ben when I talked to him. This week was like listen. I Love Spicy. I love you custody. People I love getting mad and I was just telling him. I wish we would have seen this been and I've said this last week. I wish we would've seen this been in the beginning when he's up against a Boston rob or some like you know what I mean so I just wish that we would be able to see a little bit more dynamic of him but nevertheless baby. He is playing winters at war. He won a million dollars so he know what to do out. The I mean it ain't no questions is the passion. And I just think I at the end of the day will retain It would be ideal if you could channel that passion. A little bit towards You know play a little bit more effectively. But he's bringing the Patchy Spring and the energy he's been a great character so no complaints there but moving forward. Let's get going into tribal. It looks like Jeremy could be in trouble. Michelle gives him this fifty fifty coin which I'd like to touch on a little bit once we get to travel Travel to a Lotta whispering. We've seen this repeatedly this episode. I didn't mind the whispering so much because they did a really good job of dubbing it with subtitles in the past. It's been a bother. But what are you guys thoughts on like whispering both as a player and as a viewer? Because there's been a lot of controversy about the whispering this season. Well my thing is when Alexis and I played before and you know I've only actually ever been to one tribal but before we will go tribal. We were given very strict instructions that we cannot talk outside of speaking with Jeff so like that was like a rule so them confused as to how they've become so lax with it and letting people with Burr but I think that it gives more suspense at tribal. Because it you know we may. They may build up a story line that we think it's two people and then. I like the suspense may add a third so I think production loves it but for me as a player who is considered still a new school player seasons twenty eight with represent but I just feel like we were given strict rules that we cannot talk tribal. Remember that Alexis. I do like being really really drove that point home that like if we break these rules consequences and that was like we abided by the rules because we wanted to win. Didn't like have something massive our game for like a rule break. You know what I mean so I do remember that and I think it definitely has loosened up but as like a fan viewing it. It had gotten a little tired. But I like you said Jack if they dub it and they put the subtitles on there and at least allow me to understand what the conversations are. I'm much happier with that like I don't like when I don't have any idea. What like the Strategy Talk? That's happening is the Tyson. Vote is a good example. Outwear sophie gathered or troops. So and she just kind of like took them to the back of Travel Council where the audience not going to pick up any of the conversation. We don't know. This episode is a little bit different and Tobias. Point about like the rules. I just think at the end of the DAY IF JEFF. See something going on. That he thinks is entertaining. He's probably going to let it slide But I agree that I felt like denise a little bit at the Animal Issues. I know I'm done with this war. Dahmer vote but it's deathly. It's kind of a mixed bag. I don't WanNa see it every time because like based on like the General Rules. You're supposed to come to travel council with your plan sets. Why is it everytime at tribal council went to audience can't hear you very well? Are you making these plans? But I understand as a player things change in a game like this so fluid things are going to change but I wanNA touch on the whispering as kind of a strategic element that I think was a little bit undermine this episode because I think Tony was really the one to start the whispering. I with band with Jeremy and I actually think the reason Kim went home. This episode is because of the whispering because of the whispering that Tony created. Tony was then able to go to Bannon CEO. I'm hearing that could be Sarah this week. They're making like Jeremy's over there with Kim there planning out Sarah obviously and because Ben was like Oh shit. Sarah could go this week now. Ben Is down to vote with Tony to get Kim. Because he'd Rather Camden Sarah even though he wrote an He'd rather get Jeremy Camp now the edict Jeremy's not an option he's down and I think that's a really really masterful move by toning to see like three steps ahead. He's like if I start this whispering. Then I could paint that Sarah's target and then Bends GonNa vote with me yes I think. Tony is found different loopholes to get his way without making. It seem like he's too pushy. And that was a really good version of that like he couldn't convince Ben so like you said this was like a worker rounds basically get back on his side without him thinking that he was back stabbing him in a certain type of way. Absolutely and just the one thing that touch on your last point. Check that you said like we should have your game set before you come to tribal. Here's a little bit about like how it actually works when you are in the game Right before you go to tribal. They lock you down at came. So they basically say locked down so there is no talking and someone may have to go for a confessional. So like you're literally at Camp and you can't talk for maybe like an hour and then you get taken to tribal council and you're still in lockdown and as you're waiting for tribal council if you're still in lockdown so really. The first time that you're able to talk is at tribal so I can under the to me. There is some understanding of like if we didn't get to finish our conversation. We need to whisper. There is whispered like I can understand. Why some whispering would need to go down but just little backlog for you then also my question to you too is is that it seems that you know on this edit that we get to see of Kim as mind during. I've said this last week and I don't know about you Alexa. Did you ever watch Kim season? Yeah I've seen all the seasons so skjei. Excuse me offering question though. I do sometimes forget what happens in some of the older mid seasons but yeah I remember hers women and Male One and the one world i. I watched back when Youtube. Maybe like before not last week but two weeks ago. I watched back like the last episode Kim season and I was like. Oh my God Kim is savage boozy and I was like wow she is killing it and so I was so curious like why. Aren't we seeing this Kim in this game? And so the only glimpse of that. I feel like we got to see was like last like two episodes ago and this last week's episode like how she was so on point to Tony's gain and like but I'm just curious. Do you feel like Tony took her out. Because do you guys think there's more that we're not seeing that showing her with other conversations as to how aware of the game that she is and we're just not seeing it or do you just feel like Tony. Thought she was a threat. My take is that there has to be more that we're not seeing Because like why else were production. Drop these gems. That she's so aware and everyone else is like. Oh my God. Tony is on our side. I mean I think what we do see is that Tony picks up on the fact that Kim is targeting him and he gets the scoop from Nick. Just because Nick doesn't really look I'm an eye and tell them give them a straight answer so he knows Kim is targeting him and I think that's all the reason that Tony is GonNa although reason that Tony needs to go for him but I agree like we keep seen Kim just absolutely nail the hit the nail on the head with Tony's game and I think I mean one that's just like shows respect for her game. I guess even from Production to I think he kind of geared us up for this. Tony Verse Kim War that we witnessed this episode. Yeah and I think she has like an inherent disadvantage because of how she basically started the game with a lot of older school players. That are now out of the game. So she's probably feeling like she's fighting from the bottom and that could also help her have like her ears perked in the way that they are. She's just continually getting information. But Yeah I think that the Ben really triggered Tony. I don't know if that would have gone the same way of. Tony didn't hear from him that he was being targeted by her right. And it's almost like well Dan come on. You can't keep border you just don't Kim. Obviously Kim went home but if Tony didn't win immunity. I think most of the time her plan she position so Kim's a obviously an amazing player to hop over if that's okay too once all the votes have been cast. We see some advantages in idols. Come into play. Obviously Jimmy as a fifty fifty coin Tony's safe but he's Kinda offering his idol to Jeremy and Sarah. I'm just want to get your guys takes you know just off the bat. If I'm Jeremy Clear at the end of the day he made made the right move. But I'm totally flippin that fifty fifty coin because also Tony. Seems like if the coin doesn't hit Tony My play the idol me so it's like a double coverage here. I'm not taken either so wait so you know. I was a little busy episode change in Amok Roles while I was in the bathroom. So wait. Tell me this. I thought that Jeremy did not play his fifty-fifty idol. Tony Gay and Tony gave him the idol Tony taxes either. Okay Oh my God lewisite so weights play. No idle idle was played and Jeremy still has that fifty fifty idol but she might come back to Michelle but I mean it was obviously in hindsight great move. But if I'm Jeremy Antonis saying like Tony wanted him to play his first time he's not gonNA play is without Jeremy playing his but I'm Jeremy I flipped out and if it doesn't work then Tony places idle for me. I feel like that's amazing. But at the end of the day they had the right feeling. I worked out same thing with Sarah. Tony Offered Sarah idle and she made the right read of not playing it or not asking for it. Which doesn't seem that big but if you're a player in the game six people vulnerable and someone offers you an idol. I feel like hell. Yeah but she made the right call letting Tony. Keep it so they can use it for future use and then. So here's my last thing before we go. Alexis being a return of not returning but being a player from cog John. I'm what do you think of Tony and Sarah Alliance? Do you feel like it's going to end up like how it didn't hygiene for. Sarah do you feel like feral may be able to somehow get control of this alliance because if I am a view were or if I'm somebody on the air the I'm saying edge if I'm somebody on the jury which I could be on edge too because you'll ever all the edge. Would you have respect in service game or would you feel like it will look like Tony's running the show when she's just playing sidekick cop now I think I have a few thoughts about their their relationship? I think it's different this time. Because it seems like they have even more of a personally embedded relationship in it than they did a second time they played so I feel like they have a little bit more writing on this and it would be even more. I don't know uncomfortable for them to back stab each other but I think even in the season that she won and the like her original season. Ah both of them. They've really stuck to their their game style and they both work for them differently. Tony's is obviously more in your face running the show deep strategy and then Sarah is unbelievably good at the social side. Like everybody on the jury will often feel a very close connection with her and really like side with her in her gameplay for a lot of the social reasons so I would love to see like a head to head kind of output against them like to see what the jury things but I think it's too easy for people to like on the jury to give a lot of credit to the people who run the big moves and things like that but I think what's interesting about the season we have a lot of characters that don't play that game so I could see having an final tribal that is basically three strong social players. The Jeremy's Michelle's Sarah. We'll see. Tony serves partnership like you. Were referencing is right now. I think it's a good partnership and I. I don't know that they turn each other until maybe the very ends But I do think one of them's GonNa get in trouble just from the outside alliance of very serious and I think it. I think if Tony's memorable it's going to be Tony but I think if Tony's safe or like people know he might obviously people now know he has an idol. I think Sarah would be the collateral from that and go home definitely. I definitely think that Tony has shown that he will cut Sarah at her leg. Getting rid of Sophie saw anybody is going to be the aggressor. I definitely think it's going to be Tony but we'll have to wait and see until next week. I WanNa thank you so much. Alexis for coming on the purpose podcast. It's such an honor on though you voted me out of survivor. Baby boy wets. The whistle are kind of getting my emotions. I call you on facetime and I cussed you out still love you but before you go Alexis just for anyone who has lost contact with you or not. Fowleri let the people know where they can follow you. Add so on. You know. On the days they can catch your tweets and the're instagram and tectonics absolutely and thank you for bringing me on board. This is really fun. Yeah all right. You want me to draw handles. Twitter is Alexis Underscore Maxwell. Instagram is Alexis. Underscore Taylor to Iowa underscore maxwell. Aren't you heard that so? Make sure you guys follow Alexis on twitter and instagram. She always stay poppin Alexis. It was a pleasure to have you here on my podcast. Even though you voted me out and Khadijeh ooh a baby Boy Jack. I wait to talk to you next week. Abou- win at war. This two hour episode right does conclude our survivor news. Keeping this menu moving shaking. We are moving onto the season. Finale of protocol some Big Bay. I know I haven't covered it in a couple of weeks and I was so happy when I kept getting these suites from the Purple Paneth. Posse layer talked about price. Because you see the bonaly price you gotTa talk about it. All I love with my purple peers posse gets excited about shows that I love now lessen anger when I tell. Y'All episode was Oh okay okay. Let me wet the whistle every winter with before I get too excited. Okay art so the episode starts off with Malcolm. Getting arrested he in jail because they suspected him of killing his girlfriend eve eve the girl in a box sister that you don't try to trick them or E B at s. e. so he suspected of killing. Eve's killer so they got Malcolm in jail so the episode starts off where he is getting bonded out of jail from guests who his mother Jessica Whitley because she got the coins so he gets it from jail and they put Malcolm on house arrest so Malcolm's now happy about being a house arrest because you know Malcolm Baby Boy's godfather figure it out gotta pick who like. Who's sitting me up. I'm being trained. Some they like you staying here Jessica is like you. I'M NOT PLAYING WITH MALCOLM. You stay home but you know baby boy so. Malcolm they put them on a ankle bracelet. Okay Malcolm's on an ankle bracelet so Malcolm being as smart as he is he breaks out of the Ankle Bracelet who first order of business of Malcolm. Soon as he breaks out of house arrest he goes to the NYPD HEADQUARTERS. Injury said the medical examiner. Who IS IN MY OPINION? The freak of the whole season who loves Malcolm so he breaks ensue her office but the whole team is there. Danny a Roy and the other detective injury is basically like breaking down how this guy died and saying like you know. Malcolm's DNA is under his nails. And what is surprising to us is Danny which is Kinda SORTA like Malcolm's low key love interest she starts profiling like Malcolm and she's saying like this is a crime of passion and like obviously the person who killed this person would have had to have like you know would have been mad what had passionate and they're like you know. Malcolm would have been the person for this because he would have been so mad. That eve is dead so every year. No energy says that girl don't be saying that about my mouth combat. An injury says like she's right. It can't be Malcolm so that seem leaves because they're still trying to investigate this and then Malcolm appears in the truth is like how long were you there. And he's like long enough to know so Malcolm's like obviously it wasn't me but I'm trying to figure out how they got my DNA under his nails. Injuries says like well. It couldn't have been anyone from my team because my team is very trustworthy. And he's like well. What about the lab? And she's saying I don't believe it's England from the lab and their Malcolm's like well who owns the lab and who long the whole is Addicott and Addicott is obviously the guy who is like once the Whitley family down who is behind it. All so Malcolm is like oh I gotta go so Malcolm Goals to the lawyer who and past episodes. I don't know if you remember. Remember when Jessica whittling. You know she was. She was up to be prosecuted for stabbing Martin. All of these lawyers came out and they won lawyer. Our represents you as she was like a monster. Never that's the Laura that Guy Martin. Malcolm's dad the surgeon killer got him. They're sweet deal to be in the psychiatric hospital not to jail so Malcolm goes to see him and he's like I know at. Ti is behind it. He's like what are you doing here. You can't be here and Malcolm's like you used to be this amazing civil rights civil rights lawyer and now ever since you represent and my dad you've become this famous lawyer for representing killers and getting them off. He's like have heart like tell me what's going on. And so the lawyer Aka the monster as kind of having like you know going back and forth but basically he tells Malcolm like just. It's Addicott Ed. He's like the only information that I know is that your dad has the papers that will be able to exonerate everything to show at is doing and other while they're in the office he's like the lawyers like to bring somebody with you and they turn around and then just who it is is at a gun he shoots the guy down and runs and so Malcolm is like you know covered in blood. And he's like no no no so Malcolm runs home he gets home his mom Ainslie. They're they're like. Why are you covered in blood? And he's like the monster lawyer he's dead at a cop shot him and Bang Bang Bang Bang. Nypd blue open up and so like Oh. I need thirty seconds thirty seconds to get this ankle bracelet off. Now Mind You. Malcolm an ankle bracelet. All and put on Jessica Whitley's assisted so they're switching back and forth the detective a Roy team. Come in and Malcolm and just an alias on the house in Malcolm's reading like country living and he's like hello guys and they're like you re country live in Malcolm. He's like wow. I've been here all day with my family like what's going on there like you'd be here all day. Malcolm's like why would I lie to you guys? I've been here all day. So they're like okay and then we'll tell you what's going on the case like you guys. Have you fixed any? Thank you figured anything out. And then they're like no but as long as you said you've been here all day. We good so get ready to leave him I. I haven't I lied to the lawyer's office but the cut shot them and they like what and my my anthony is like. What is your baby? Obviously Malcolm wants to go with them so they arrested him. Take them to the station and so there at the station and Malcolm explaining everything that you know he knows and it's like you know it wasn't me it definitely wasn't and so when they're like. Malcolm the killer hedger DNA on them and Malcolm. It's like well. He could have been dead the whole time and they're like well how could he have been dead the whole time? He was in the room with them. You work for the NYPD blue you not to NYPD blue always say that you work for the Nypd you are profiler how you know somebody dead and then. Malcolm has a a mini flassbeck? When I saw the bandages over his eyes. I didn't even go near them. And so they're like he could have been dead the whole time so the teams like this opens up to the nurses the doctors other people that could have been there. There are Great Malcolm this great so let me just touch on Martin. Whitley real quick now in the beginning of the episode as well to Martin Whitney wakes up his cell doors open in the phone is ringing a Martin. It's like what is going on. What score would so as the phone is ringing in his cell or luxury suite as we like to call it the privilege and he answers the boat and its Edeka at cuts like Mar and Martin's like Martin is kind of like as scared of etiquette and basically he's like. I know everything and like you know you tried to set me up. And guess what I get shoe and Martin's like how and then he's like why her tried to break out of your cell and all of a sudden alarm goes ow and obviously Martin is out of his cell and the guards come running. And basically they take him away to rikers as so now. He's in general population now. While Martin is in general population he feels like a bird out of water or a fish water or a bird out of air gas but anyway he feels out of place and so one of the people in the prison. Come up to him. It's like you see all the people they try to kill you because there is a balancing on your head where them to kill you. And he's like you know I run this this module I run this and I can't have Lake Aso Martin's like I don't WanNa be here soon as I get in contact with my son. I'll get out of here and the guidelines. You think I'm trying to help you like I'm going to kill you. So Martin is fearing for his life in general populations so fast before beck to they are at the. Nypd de Station and Malcolm's like I really need to get contact with my dad because my dad has his answers and arrows like well and no one knows where he's at in April. Lieutenant Roy is like Whoa. He's not at the Psychiatric Hospital. They moved them to rikers. And Malcolm is like that's what they're trying to kill them they're gonNA kill them. Loosen Roy's like I can't pull no strings to get you into rikers but Bay Bay okay the MVP of the Whitley Family Ainsley. You know she reporter type stuff so she has friends that. Oh her favor so they get to go see their dad. Ainsley GETS MALCOLM AINSLIE to go into rikers to see her day. Visitation rooms they see Martin and Martin is visibly shaken. They are like you're scared dad so obviously. Malcolm is like trying to get these papers and documents that he has that improved at at a key behind all of this and basically Martin reveals to them that it was all ally it was a roost and that he was saying that he had to Kinda get Addicott mad and obviously it worked but at a cost so mad that Bay. He bought the kill. You Bar what did you do win? So they don't really have much time but Mar Intel's Malcolm that well the only way to stop. This is to kill them. You can kill them. You're my son. You got it in you and mar in like first of all. Martin why are you telling us on to kill him and Ainsley? It's like Dad. What are you doing so they have? The time is up and the is like look scared and so the dad is basically saying into Ainsley and Malcolm like I love you. You guys were my pride and joy. And if I don't ever get to see you again just know that I loved you and so the guards is taking a back and listen. Ainsley stands up and grabs HYDAC instead. Listen Dad you are smartest person initial jail. You are the searching new better. Act like he and she like grabs her dad. And it's like this really big scene because it's like. Oh you know amply always had these issues with her dad and Anthony is kind of not the black sheep family but obviously she is the daughter to sergent. Malcolm is the Super Smart Kid who works for the NYPD. Eh You know Jessica. Is You know the socialite with the money and so we just kind of always had a hard time finding her place and you know we see her trying to get her journalism off the ground so it was really a pivotal point for us to see. Ainsley kind of encouraged her dad and she grabbed his arm and the dad kind of looked at it. And kinda smile like. Oh look at my baby girl all during the Wild Jessica fables rich south okay. Bopping bills the drinking of alcoho- she gets invited to dinner by etiquette at is like in love with her and so they're like. Don't go mom you should not go. And she's like well maybe I could record him saying some incriminating things. And I'll be able to like you know crack this case gets you off Malcolm. So they're like mom. Don't go but obviously you know how this family work. They don't go so just remember that. So Malcolm is back at home at the going to see his dad and Lieutenant Abe. Roy is at his house when he gets there. If I listened Malcolm I couldn't stop them. They're going to be filing charges against you tonight. So what I need you to do is pack. A bag gives them cache. I need you to leave him for a couple of days until we can figure this out as for Malcolm's like absolutely however Malcolm also tells Lieutenant Abe Roy that my mom is supposed to be going to dinner etiquette and I don't think there should be when they are so I need for you to look out for her in tennis shoe. Got You now this whole scenes saying look like Lieutenant Abe. Roy had just wait Lee. Okay SO Lieutenant Roy. Leaves and Malcolm gathering his things together and I. He wants to leave his phone because I believe he brings us phone. They'll be able to track them but before he leaves. He plays the last message that his girlfriend eve left him. And you know she's like knock on every like I'm sorry I had to leave you this way but you know. I have to do this on my own. And so as he's leaving. Here's like these dogs barking birds and Malcolm is like those are different dogs so he calls his friend. Danny and it's like can't you do a reverse check on a phone number for me? I need a favor. So does this reverse check or she danny does the reverse check and then you know all we see is Malcolm getting a cab and then Malcolm arrives to like what looks like a animal clinic. So Malcolm goes inside. And he's like can I speak with the CANARIAN and this lady turns around and she's like I'm the veterinarian Babe. Who is the girl in a Box? The girl in a box you know who eagles looking for who this whole time. Malcolm been having these flashbacks. She's alive so Malcolm Aside Home God would so he's you know. I got a bird named sunshine. She's not doing that well. And then she's like well let me. Let's make an appointment he's like. I'm Malcolm whittling. And then she's like Malcolm he's like I see that says Dr Ashley but I don't think there's several name. She's like the boy from the box and so they had this conversation. And you know they figure out like where connection with eve and the death of eve and you know what the motive is and the only person that could wanNA kill eve as much as you know how they are portraying mouse for it to be. Malcolm could be sister and she's like she was here for three days and she lap three days and she laughed and Malcolm well discussed. This is one of them cases that I just would never be able to figure out who so at the same time mar in Whitley in jail and they're like line people up to kind of I guess. Go to dinner go to lunch. Go to child go back to the sales and so Martin sees the guy that said I'm going to Kill Them. And so obviously you know if anybody watched them jail shows the people begin stat with Shank when Ab passing each other about the past each other and Martin jumps and get them out and like the guy pulls out his shank and we know what a Shank is from sixty days in. Okay shot out the Dennis. Okay so he pulls out the Shank he's about to try to stab an Martin's life. You know when you were talking earlier. I saw itching and he he was like at first. I thought it was like a nervous as I realize it's uncontrollable and that really could be from a tumor and your head. You can have a tumor. He's just trying to say that he's like no so march starts saying all of these symptoms and obviously the guy must have these symptoms. And he's like it could be a tumor and your head. That could kill you. And he's like I'm the surgeon he's like I could get you a referral to someone actually have it checked out and he's like I'm assuming that would be worth more than the bouncy on my head. So he's like all right. I will kill you so to get back in line. And has the people are walking and seeing that he's still alive he's like he would me he'd good don't hurt him and a guy. Are you playing? Get on my wife? So this whole riot breaks out. Martin is just standing in the middle of variety. Like what is going on. Okay number methodist seeing because. Listen I gotta get this done by the juicy stuff before I came back to the scene. So Jessica Whitley goes on the date to etiquettes home. She's at home and he is essentially telling her all of the things that he has done for her. We know throughout the season. Jessica has a love hate relationship with Martin Whitley. She feels like he's ruined her family and that she does. Not you know this whole season. She has not wanted him to be. And then cushy psyche and that cushy Psych Hospital. She wants him in jail. What the key thrown away but obviously you know as the season has gone on. Mao. Martin has done things for the family that has Kinda SORTA help with the family and kind of sort of like you know you know Jessica still my love them a little bit so editor 's thing how he set Martin up to be in jail and there he'll be killed and that like you know I'm doing all of these things for you and she's like well. Why would you do these things for me? He's like because don't you know I'm in love with you owe child. She got a thing for these crazy men so in the middle of their date. The doorbell rings. And he's like oh I'll be right back so he leaves this dining area that they're shuts the door and Jessica. Whitley pose her iphone because okay she ain't stupid. She'd been recording the conversation whole time but she likes she wanted to see what the action is so she like runs around now runs around around the mansion and kind of goes to the step to see. Who's at the door and long? Behold Lieutenant Abe Roy so lieutenant Abraham at the door. He's like I'm taking Jessica Whitley home with me and Manic. Addicott is like a you. Can maybe talk to her tomorrow morning after our date after our nightcap. Because she ain't going nowhere which you lose in areas like listen which you want me to pull out my gun because listen baby girl. Come home with me so lieutenant. Awori goes to pull out his gun and Montreal. Eddie had this little bodyguard. That was right next to them. And they stab. Lieutenant Roy and Jessica Season has 'cause like Oh my God and so Lieutenant Roy is like on the ground bleeding out at. It's like I've heard that getting stabbed in the guts is the most painful way to die and so at turns around and starts coming back upstairs so Jessica who she runs back to the dining room and try to get yourself together who he's like. Oh I'm so sorry. Where were we as like? Oh I'm not sure like what was going on. He was like so. Are you going to stay the night with me or something like that and Jessica with of course and Bay asshole jarred is Hold Time Jessica? Whitley is literally one of my favorite characters auto. You Know Me. I love me some Malcolm. But less it he says. So where ARE WE AT JESSICA? She took go play affected by right upside. Is Hey okay. She said the play outside. The Hague brand through the house. Okay see seeing that. Roy was calling but his car keys was there plus you got. His car keys ran outside. She left her purse in everything. Looked like it was a birkin bag to laugh a purse Lieutenant Words Car Star driving and then the guy who stabbed Hooton Roy. Put them in the back of his car and obviously was going to dispose of the body so he pulls out the driveway and Jessica theme but she has car boom. Oh come on come on Jessica. So she gets out. The car gets and gets them out to trump puts them in the car and drives him to the hospital. Jeff I was like Yes Jessica. Okay Okay for three to one price for three to what? Okay so Lieutenant Roy he at the hospital now. Mind you at this point. Everyone's there Danny's there has moms. They're even Malcolm's there because obviously I felt like they feel they know at this point. It's etiquette because they have Jessica sang the eyewitness. So Danny them like okay. Well let's go get some warrants for etiquette house in his office. And just 'cause I'll go with you guys if you guys need me to give me a statement for so that you can get these warrants Jessica is like Malcolm stay here where Lieutenant Roy you know. Everything is good so no problem as they leave. Malcolm get the texts from Ainsley. Come home right now who away. So Malcolm run runs home to the Whitley manner and Whitley is. Ainsley is sitting on the couch next to etiquette. Who Chalet and Marcus. What are you doing here? Has He hurt you know? He hasn't hurt him so Avocados up walking around making a scotch at Ainsley and Malcolm riches looking like what the hell is going on. Malcolm's like Ainsley. Don't worry about it. The police are currently getting a search warrant for his offices and his home and offices at a cost like two bedroom. Find anything there. So they're like you know the bodyguard. That Stab Lieutenant Abe Roy. We're going to get him at a cost like. Oh it's too bad. He took his own life so at a cost like. Don't you guys understand? I own this city. Everything is under my control. He's like I'm not going anywhere. And he's like an your mother. She's good in bed. So Malcolm sits on the couch. And he's like start shaking. He's got his trimmer and we is about that a lot of the time when he gets those flashbacks or those thoughts of killing people. So he's like sitting on the couch with distributor at like you really should get their Shurmur. Looked at all of a sudden baby. Boy Malcolm jump up with a gun and he has a flashback of the dads thing like you have to kill at. That's the only way to stop them. So Malcolm jumping the gun and it's like okay. What may don't pay. We may don't play with me at a cost to badger too much like your mom all at all talk and no action. Like you're not GonNa kill me like you know if he was gonNA kill me. You would have been killed me so Malcolm's just standing there with a gun and we get the sense he not GonNa kill them and we like alcohol. Obviously I don't want to kill him but bay. I already for this. While Malcolm is standing there holding a gun at a conscious standing there. Who Ainsley come from Bob with a knife and goes she cuts his throat and he turns around and ANC START RAP stars walk. Oh my God she starts stabbing them like a thousand times and he drops down to the ground and then she drops the night as she looks at Malcolm. Malcolm looks at her and she's like what happened. What happened like who like I said the whole time. All the time Malcolm thinking to killer family and Bay League angrily. Don't play so remember when I told you off their Malcolm's dad was in the mid autumn. Bra like all of the guards fighting all of the prisoners fighting each other and so the guards were getting beat up. And he's just standing there and so one of the guards drops down to the ground and this phone down and so of course more picks it up cause Malcolm right as Malcolm is looking at Ainslie like like warmer God so as I can shock. So she picks up. And he's like and Malcolm's like it's not a good time dad he's like. I took Ainsley of ice. And he's like Ainsley secure advice to and they're Martin's like my girl and baby that's how to epidemic how to season. Ed's all my God. This leaves the door open for so much because I'm like why are they going to cover up this body because you know they can put the body in the basement. Put it in a box. You know you know. They're Whitley feeling as good as a roy calling to make it. Are we GONNA see Malcolm? And Danny's love affair. We're going to see Jessica Whitley loops in the air. Always love affair. What's going to happen? Ainsley? I tried to tell your product son is so good. If you do not watch this season you missed album. Don't worry is on Fox demand catch up on it and you know one season two comes out baby boyd. Purple Pants PODCAST IS GONNA be on it keeping the main role Lynn. Let's get into this week's episode of HBO's Hit Show insecure another great episode. What I love about insecure so much is that I feel like it's so relatable to my life. The main character ISA is a young African American female living in La. China. Really figure out her life. And sometimes I always put myself into east shoes or some of her friends. So this week's episode. It was another one and another thing that I love about. Insecure is that it's only thirty minutes so you don't really feel like you have to devote so much time you know. Sometimes you'd be watching them shows and you below do I have an hour to give to is my energy level and I don't know if any of you are like me but my energy gotta be right if I'm watching the show. I can't be tired and want to watch it because then it's like Whoa Bay. Dragging but for insecure is short sweet and right to the point so this week. Isa Is still planning her block party and we know from last week that she got the headliner schoolboy Q. So that's a huge accomplishment for at least the elite who who the hell is the Lisa ether? It's a huge compliment for ether. That she's got a big name headliner so she's working on that she's getting a flyers together also molly out here where her. New Bay Andrew We know. They had a couple of difficult times last episode but they really are on a page of their exclusive. Now they're in a relationship and the issues that are coming about and their relationship. This episode is that Molly you know she a lawyer. She's at a new law firm and putting a lot of time into her work. Andrew wants to go to the movies. Andrew wants to do date night and it seems that molly is always always having to reschedule. Even one time he came over this episode and it was supposed to have acute lung. You Know Cute Little Sam and Molly was not finished doing her work and she just gave me ten minutes. Just give me ten minutes. Andrew got over there around ten o'clock when molly got her work. It was one fifteen so is putting a strain on their relationship so ISA in. Mali sprints hip in the. She was pregnant. She had her baby and she's kind of sort of having like a sippy having all of the friends over there. Now Mind you Lawrence's over there because Isa in Lawrence they still have all of the same friends and if you remember. Lawrence is ISA's ex-boyfriend a five years. So Lawrence's up with tiffany's husband looking at the baby and the ladies are downstairs so molly and Isa are still like at this weird disconnect. So they are. It's kind of like a back and forth very passive aggressive You know molly is saying like you know. She's so happy that tiffany her husband to help support her. And Molly's like Andrew still supportive of me. He just loves me and loves on me. And Ethan makes a joke. Which if they were normally on the same page that they normally are molly will go with the joke but molly like why. I'm just trying to say that it's good to have a partner. Isa's like well. I'm just making a joke. So Isa and Molly They. Friendship we know is deteriorating. And it sucks. So Molly goals with Tiffany to talk about something and Ethan stays downstairs with their friend Kelly now. Kelly is the crazy if I was insecure. Our B Kellie. Isa's like does molly seem off. And she says that the Kelly. Now what's going on with the tea like nothing? She just seems kind of all. Now the same token molly is having the same conversation with tiffany. Meanwhile while Easter and Kelly are talking lawrence comes downstairs any kind of like mouths to east like. Can we talk so ethers like Kelly? I'll be right back. So Easter endurance go outside. And they're just really kind of like reconnecting laughing and joking now. We know at the end of last episode. Lawrence with sliding in ISA's DM's and it seemed like they were reconnecting. And the show played. Maya case ex don't hiss after midnight and she's all your full full and to us to the listeners. That's kind of ood. Wh wh what's going on there so norris really wants to kind of have a conversation with Ethan and we don't really know what it is. Maybe is he trying to save him in condoling broke up. We don't know maybe he's trying to say he misses that old thing and wants it back because as they are talking Isa gets a phone call from schoolboy q the manager and basically saying that school book is pulling out of the Black Party and now Isa is like all discombobulated because she's been working so hard for this block party and now the headline is pulling out like what so Lawrence. These there ISA is kind of like a mess and doesn't really want to finish the conversation east as well finish it. He's like no. I'll let you handle it so ISA leaves. We see each later in the episode Baker. Her apartment looking like local artists thing if she can get in contact with a local artists to maybe headlines. She's reaching out to like her old college friends that she hasn't talked to in a while. And then it gets the idea that molly's new Bay Andrew. He works live nation. So there's a artists that ISA is thinking about getting and what better way to get in contact with him then with molly so we know eastern. Mali haven't been on the same page. So Easter 'cause Molly Molly's at work and molly is like hey girl what's up man. He's got a moment to talk. And so we see this kind of point of molly almost like yes ethan. I finally going to have this conversation to talk about. Why are we off and to get on the right page? So each kind of cuts right to the point and it's just like my headliner pulled out and I need another headliner this guy and he's with live nation and you don't interest with live nation. Do think you'd be able to X. Andrew for him and so Mali. Kinda like you know I guess yes I can ask some for you but we see molly agrees to doing that. But you know Malia disappointed in the sense that she wanted to have a conversation with Ethan. She thought that like you know. Isa was actually calling the checkup on her later. In the episode Molly Molly Andrew. Get into this fight because they finally have a date night and you know after the date night molly wants the nightcap. An intro actually going out with my boys to play poker because I didn't think you would have time because you've been so busy. So we see more point of contention and its relationship with Molly Andrew. So the next or the next time Miley and Andrew. See each other. Andrew comes over to Molly's house and they really talk about you know their relationship Andrews just like I don't feel like I'm your priority and we're over the honeymoon stage so I don't really know what to make of Somalis like you are my number one priority and I'm going to make things better than molly goes into the bathroom and call us. Isa Each all excited like yes molly. What's up girl? Thank you for calling me back so quick. Yes Andrew going to make it happen and molly clearly says to her that she has X. Incher and she doesn't feel like she's going to Andrew because she wants to keep and protect her relationship with Andrew from any outside things so Isa's light outside things. Well what are you saying in Mali's basically saying like I don't want to mix friends in with this relationship but really what molly is saying that like I asked him for you? WanNa to protect them our relationship but if molly east though we're on great terms this will be no issue it just as Astra Bates the issues that they're having in their friendship and that's where episode leaves off and we know from the first episode of the season that Molly and Easter have major falling out. And so these last couple of episodes really have just been highlighting the breakdown of communication. Why I love insecure so much state again and again and again. There's so many friends in my life that a lot of the Times. We have breakdown in communications. Like this is just crazy. And so it's so crazy to see somebody on the screen. It looks like me having the same issue. So if you're not watching I'm telling you need to watch. Hbo Sunday Nights. Ten o'clock on demand. You could catch up at. Ain't dad next on the main. You told your a secret love NAM. Y'All ever be on that flicks and Netflix recommends a movie or you see a movie on that. Looks like what is this? What would I want to watch this up my Friday night? I'm just chilling and I see a secret love. Come on and I'm like you know what I normally wouldn't watch it but listen during this quarantine life got nothing else to do a minus. Well so I get into not knowing what is about. I just like cover is like these two older Caucasian ladies. And I'm like okay. I don't know but just about the being but baby. I was not ready for the emotional roller coaster that I I went on. Because essentially it's a bittersweet celebration of two women that had a six decade romance so bay so let me introduce you to these characters so there's aunts hairy and there's I pat. Okay they're originally from Canada. They both grew up on farms and Canada and arts hairy back in the day. Y'All know that show or they movie that came out in one thousand nine hundred a League of their own that features. The American Girl Professional Baseball team will say every was one of them girls on the team. So I love this. Because it's there's a story in the story but we had many men that she was supposed to marry and even Pat Pat played hockey. Pat had like three minutes. She was supposed to marry and they all died. But Antero Regan pet met. They fell in love and they became lovers now back. In this time we think seventy years ago the nineteen forties the nineteen fifty five. They didn't have. Lgbtq rights like you know if women were found out to be Lesbians. They could be persecuted. It was just horrible. So Terry. Op-ed did not feel comfortable in Canada. They felt like if they moved to the city. They have more acceptance so they moved to the city of Chicago but things did not get easier for them. Because you know back in that time in the forties and fifties in Chicago. They used to do like a Bari. So that if they went to the bar and they like a lesbian bar baby these people with getting putting it back in a paddy wagon going to jail so crazy and so on. Terry and PAT lived together. They worked together and they were lovers the whole time. Now Mind you you think like. We all got them aren't pass But Ontario Pants hold their families and they they were cousins and they live together because the written Chicago was so expensive and that it was easier for them to you know roommate together. And so it's just really takes you on this roller coaster a pet and the setting of the documentary is really like current day. So aren't paying Ontario older at a really sucks because they've kept a secret from their family for years and they reveal in the documentary that it wasn't until two thousand and nine that they finally came out now. Aunts hairy had his niece named Diana. Diana was Ontario Brother's daughter and the brother was like an alcoholic abusive so Ontario was a mother figure to Diana Diana and Ontario Dislike. Mother daughter relationship here be loves Diana so she finally told Diana in two thousand nine and I I don't care I love you and they told the rest of their family and they're like I can't believe that you've kept this from us for so long so then it kind of breaks down to a lot of the issues that are going on is there aren't Terry. I'm Pat. They are up there in age. And they are deteriorating. They're getting old arts. Hairy has walk in problems are pick out this nasty. Olympe and Ontario family is in Canada. And they want them to be in. Canada. But I don't want to move to Canada. They love they house in Chicago and they don't want to move. And so then we see despite between Diana and I'm Pat. Now Mind you. When I'm watching this documentary I pay for a lot of the time was kind of pissed me off because Diana comes up to Chicago. And they're like we really need to look at nursing homes for you and where you guys WanNa live and every nursing home they go first of all I pay. I mean yeah. I'm Pat. She Ain't trying to move to candidates. I'm PAT like well. We got a house. We've got a friend here and another thing about Terry because they kind of kept this secret from their family they had developed these friendships in Chicago with other. Lgbtq couples that were like their family so every place that they look at ipad enforce. She is expensive is to this is that they don't want to move to Florida because they are like. I don't want to just look at what are all day like you know. We're accustomed to the city. And obviously I'm PAT does not want to move back to Canada so it's Harry is kind of like obliging today so there comes a point where Pat Terry realized. We need to sell the house. But they ain't doing nothing about it so we see there's like Terry who is very energetic. She has a physical therapist. Come into the house. And so you know we see Gary doing these like workouts. You know like Yes Ontario so then. The documentary goes a year later and then a year later. Ontari has definitely been declining in health. And it's really sad to watch and so and not for nothing was on pay. I pay now. Ontario is about twelve years older than I pay obeyed both so Diana is super concerned in super worry about their health. And that you know I'm pat is not doing anything to move so Diana comes down and for the longest time Diana's but saying like Hey I wanna come down and see you guys. I want to come down to see you guys and I is like not now. Not Now not now. Diana basically surprises them and comes down and when Diana Sees Ontario. Which is her mom. She is like almost crying because Ontario is deteriorating. So much she's down to like one hundred pounds and so she's like listen. We have to move. We have to move and so there was his pivotal point in the documentary where they are Ontario Ontario. So cute like oh. I get so emotional. So they Diana's there and Terry is they're putting Ontario to sleep and Ontario. I really wanted to tell Diana now. I'm not sure what she's saying. She wants to tell her. I don't know maybe if she wants to update or health and not pay. It's like absolutely not do not tell her now. Mine Diana earlier in the documentary feels like she loves aunts hairy life. She loves our pet as well too but she always feels like she never knew whether not. I- pets love for her was genuine. Or if she only put like an. I'm only put up with Diana because she knows how much we love Sir. So there's like this tug of war for Ontario's attention but swing on an art in Pat Indiana and Diana says like I understand like I'm pat has always had Ontario herself and she doesn't really want to share her. So Beck's it at night where I'm putting here to sleep and I was like I really wanted to tell Diane and our pay. It's like absolutely not. Don't tell everything so the next morning. Diana is fired up because she heard the conversation. She's like I can't believe I can't believe you would try to like ice me out and I'm like I feel bad. I don't know why was I don't know why I say they're so mad. You they find so they they come this conclusion that yes they will want to find an assisted living home in. Chicago to assisted living home that everyone agrees on. I don't know I'm GonNa just call it. Shady Pines okay does the WHO got their golden girls reference. I'm calling shady palms cause remember but shady pines is expensive. Baby is literally like eight thousand dollars a month now. You shouldn't be doing our elderly people like they're eight thousand dollars a month but so it's eight thousand dollars a month and I'm like oh no we can't do that. That's too expensive. That's too expensive. That's expensive that's too expensive. You don't pat putting up these roadblocks so after that fight that they had Diana then discovers get a hold of this pet in Ontario innate savings have a million dollars so Diana is like. Why are you saying that it's too expensive? You guys can afford it. You guys can afford it so basically in a nutshell Diana where her intervention gets on Terry in our pets move in the shady pines so after they move into shape pines. Another thing that they talked about was that how pat and Ontario read never got married so after they moved into a shady pines they get married and when I tell you them getting married and so you learn throughout the documentary that Gary was still kind of like nervous about getting married when they first meet them because she just even though it's accepted she still is living in the nineteen fifties of kind of keeping a love cousin. Love a secret style baby when they get married. Baby boy. I I don't know about your but when I watch. Tv shows when I watched documentaries. I love a documentary that I can put myself into the people's shoes I felt like I was a family member at the wedding. Baby boy was sitting there crying because it was just like I love it. Oh my God I loved it. I loved it so much and then also win before they moved to Shady Pines and Diana and the rest of the family is helping the move. They're going to all the stuff. They're finding aunts Harry's photos when she was in the American Girl Professional League and they also find these love letters and so Diana. If I read the letter and Ontario's I would ask the letter that Pat wrote to me and so pat reads the letter. Baby boy gets teary eyed. But all of the letters that they found they. The bottoms are cut off. And so I. I keep saying Diane. It ain't Diana it's niece Diana Diana's like why are the letters cut off at the bottom and they say well because when we were writing these letters if anyone ever like rated r. home or something happened to us and you know we weren't here and they found these letters? We did not want them to know that they were written to each other. And that was just like wow and me as a gay man openly gay man like thinking twenty twenty like you know. I'm free to love where I WANNA love. Although I can't get a man that statement live. I can't get nobody the sexy back but like I'm free to be Hawaii. I choose to be who I am and to think that like I couldn't express it just put so much perspective on our life in our world and like you know although we think we've come a long way it's not that long ago that they were persecuting killing beading members of the Lgbtq community so it just was all all the documentary really brought joy to my heart I loved it and it's bittersweet because we learned that after Oh so bent my mind. You're cutting himself. They lived at Shady Pines for a little bit and then I'm pat finally broke down realize that they wanted to be with family so they moved back to Canada. Everyone was so happy and so when they move to Canada they live for about three years together and then Gary Past and pet is still alive. But it's just so sad like I i. It's just for such a long time. They had to keep their love a secret and they had to live and just worried about what people think about them and it just off. I don't know if a good a heavy movie but also just it's so sad. I text my mom this weekend. My Wash just movie and of course our later. My Mom's like Oh my car price. That was so good. So if you guys want a tear jerker and just like you notes something to open your eyes about like how far we have come and really not that long ago. Definitely you guys should check out a secret love or net flicks and last but not least on the maker this week. Our heads whole job. We got the smiles challenged. Well I feel like in order for me to explain this mice challenge. I need to actually bring the creator of the mice challenge. Let's welcome back to the Purple Pants. Podcast my friend. The doctor a physical therapy. Okay Miss Virginia. Twenty Thirteen Miss Virginia USA. Two Thousand Sixteen also was on season. Thirty five heroes. Hustlers in he'll Miss Desi Williams. Welcome back to the proper. Psi PODCAST BOO boo. I appreciate you having me as always and thank you for the introduction and was this show okay you gotTa let these people now out here with papier though. I'm so excited to have you all here. Because you know me I'll be scrolling through the instagram and I think you tag me in this Ma ice challenge and I was like wait. This is so great where you come on a podcast and talk about the Smash Chandler. Yes I am happy to talk about. It's challenge because I just feel like we are not being kind to each other around the world and nobody smiling. Nobody's making eye contact. And that's got to change. I cannot agree more. I think it would be great if you wouldn't mind sharing. Obviously you know a real friend out here You know we talk. And last week you had shared a personal story about an experience that you had at trader. Joe's and I feel like it's almost like the springboard to your challenge. So would you mind telling the listeners about your experience or your story about trader? Absolutely so I don't know if this is like an la specific thing but all of the trader Joe's in La. There's a line outside so everybody's standing in line six feet apart waiting to get into trader. Joe's and then once you get and trader Joe's it's just like this air of like everybody being freaked out everybody being on high guard. I was literally walking through trader. Joe's and a lady stopping. She was like Whoa. You can't come down this aisle already. Six people down this aisle and people are upset if you get in front of them or if you get too close and I just felt this air of hostility everywhere around me and it was like the most stressful thing I've ever been through so maybe not I've ever been through but it was just. I didn't expect grocery shopping to be that stressful so I got back in my car and I found myself like balling not just crying. Not just a tear but just bawling control ably and my call my mom and she was like you got to figure out another way to get your groceries and and I'm saying it didn't just happened one time I tried again. 'cause I was like well. Maybe it was just that one occasion. I still need some groceries. I went to the store again and when I left the exact same thing happened. I went home and bawled to my boyfriend so I just feel like we're forgetting that we're all in this together and that even though we have to keep a social distance that people can still see your facial expressions that you don't have to have your eyes like bug-eyed all the time or you don't have to be so defensive but we are still in this together we are still a community and I feel like people are forgetting that because they're so afraid of catching covert nineteen definitely add. I what I like first of all story just touches me just because it's like it's the little things. I feel like about Kobe. Nineteen about this pandemic that we're going through that I feel like kept people differently besides the the death and besides the ravage that is ravaging in like you know for you. That story for me. You don't meet falling in the bathtub but other day like I tried to make light of it but when I stop and think about it it's like you know I'm home by myself. It like it could. It could be so serious and I just feel like these little things that I feel like creep up on us and I feel like the more that we can talk about it the more that we have a support system I feel like is the best thing ever which is why I love the premises of Your Smash Challenge and I think it's amazing and for me personally as a black man wearing a mask in stores. I've said this before is uncomfortable for me. Sometimes because it's like I don't want these people to think I'm coming up in here like you know and unfortunately it's a reality that I have to face and so when I go and stores I always be trying to smile. I don't know whether or not people can see me but I truly tried to do so. I just think it's amazing but let me stop talking so girl. Explain this challenge Dylan over here. So the idea behind Smith Challenge. I'm personally a huge IRA banks fan but she coined this term smile years ago on America's next top model and basically the idea of a SM- is is smiling with your eyes and we do it all the time on instagram. At least I know I do. But we're forgetting that even though we have a mask on people can still see your eyes so the idea behind this is challenge is really just spreading that message that even though you we can't see your teeth and the party your face at typically smiles if you make eye contact with a stranger and you smile they can see that warmth in your eyes they can see that you're making that connection and I think it's important to remind everybody of that right now and then more importantly practice it so I posted a smile and then I challenged my friends to do the same and I'm hoping that we can just sort of create this chain reaction of people making eye contact first and foremost because I go for a walk every day. People literally will cross the street. Not Make contact right. Yeah we've all been there. They'll literally cross the street so I think it's important to realize that we can still make eye contact. We can smile and people will see that even though our mouths are covered. Atla so are you GonNa Challenge Purple Posse to dismiss channel. Love the Purple Pants Posse to join a purple Pants posse member from day one. We we've been going together for some time so I would appreciate it if everybody would re posts mice tag their friends and I just WANNA share a little bit of love in the world like you know. Obviously this isn't. It's not a huge task. It's nothing big elaborate. It's not some savage dance but I think it is important that we're remembering to smile and connect with people both our friends and strangers. I love but I'm GonNa need a better. I'm GonNa need you to challenge the purple peanuts. Paseo little better purple passages Desi and I'm challenging you to my challenge. Post a photo to instagram with the hashtags. Mice Challenge. It's okay come up. A couple of wishing Bama Basil. What's up Purple Pants together? And I'm challenging you today to post your best smile. I know you gotTa don't be shy and tag me in it. Tagged Purple Podcasts I'm a reposted tag hashtags mice challenge and I can't wait to see all of your beautiful faces of your beautiful glowing. Warm is and just spread the love just I love it and I feel like I don't know how like my podcast has turned into nothing but positive energy because that's what I try to put out there so excited so Purple Pants. Posse we out here so definitely if you want to post it to your instagram. You WanNa post it to twitter. You WanNa Post it to your instagram stories. Make sure you tag. Desi Williams wish instagram case. Data does he Jay Williams put it in a little hashtags mice challenge. I'll be sure to re post you my stories and I just WanNa spread so much eleven. So much enjoyed during this difficult time jazz. Purple Pants Policy. So make sure you take me and the Purple Pants. Podcast Posted sue so. Yes so you are officially been challenge and Purple Pants Pasta. If you accept the challenge you've got at least challenge four of your friends and family to do it as well so because we got we go to Canada. We're GONNA get through this together and little by little step by step and once SM- is at a time. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast and really creating a great challenge that we all can get behind. Thank you Bryce love you so much Wa is. The reasoning is petrick race to win matt favorite segments of the PODCAST. Purple Pants. Picks you pick. I say every weekend Saturday morning I will post to my instagram. Bryce Isaiah or the purpose podcast instagram. A picture of Purple Pants. And I'll say drop your topics for Purple Pants. Picks and you guys anything that you want to hear you talk about any current events. Any music and heed. Tv shows anything that comes to your mind. Baby Boy Gotcha. So let's kick it off tear underscore. Kerr writes amazing to see. You take over survivors instagram. Do you see a second chance in your future. Well guys I don't WanNa get too emotional but you know one rule and the purple pants. Podcast is that I said I will always be transparent with you end so so yes last week the CBS instagram reached out to me. If I wanted to take over the survivor instagram and I was so excited But after ad did to take over missy from you know season thirty nine she had called me and she just really liked put a whole bunch of positive reinforcement and just really loved on me. It was just like I'm so proud of you. Bryce everything that you have been doing for the survivor community. It's all coming full circle and you know as big of a personality that I have is so hard for me to like hear positive things about me or it's so hard for me to believe they're like oh great things happening because just how I live and how my life has been just. Don't think that good things happen to me not that I'm not a positive person. I'm just like you know. Just keep chugging along and so I would just share this story with you. Is that like you know the last time that has ever recognized me as a player was the day that they announced the cast for Kagi on And that was it. I've never ever been recognized as a player since then even on my reunion. They didn't speak with me. They spoke to David. Garrick jumped over me went to cheer. I didn't have anything to say. And so I love survivors. One of my favorite shows. Even before I was on this show I watched it with my cousins and I loved it and to be on. The show was an absolute dream. Come true but there are like is like. Ptsd FOR ME I love survivor so much but at the same time I feel like I got the short end of the stick like I said I just feel like that's my life like great things happen for me but nothing ever really takes off and you know I got voted out early and I accept that that was my game but obviously I didn't want to go out and play survivor and be the third. I wanted to go out and play the survivor. Make the merge. I'm GONNA make one. I wanted to bring home that million dollars. So there's always like this like this. Love hate survivor. That sometimes it gets me sad sometimes it depresses me. So it's like I don't always like to talk about that because I choose not to focus on the negative and so even with survivor. Not Ever really recognizing me You know I always been active in the community. I've always tried to show fans love. I always like you know podcasting. Just you know just being my natural self and I think that there hasn't really been a third boot to have the elevation that I have been blessed with to be more popular than when you were on the show like that doesn't really happen so I'm so blessed and so for me for survivor to like recognize me to say like Hey. It would be fun for you to do this. Just I can't explain to you what that means to me to me. It's just like my heart is complete so when you say is what would you see second chances if you know if it's for me. Oh even when before I play survivor and I was going through the process and like you know they don't tell you whether or not you're going to be in our always. God if it's for me let it be for me and that's what I say about. You know my chances of ever playing again. If it's for me let it be for me but I really do feel at peace in my heart. That like you know what survivor recognized me. They they see a boy Out here and I truly can alleyway emotional talking about it because it really does. A really does play on my heartstrings. A lot because I just feel like I did not get the shine that I felt like I was do but everything. In God's timing and everything happens for a reason and look six years later. I've got my podcast on rob says Torino's network. It's amazing so I just I'm just happy but I just wanted to share that with you so if I play again if I don't I still have the opportunity to play and I have the opportunity to be a part of an amazing amazing family so I love it. But if it's for me if it's not then. Hey it's not for me. So that's why the survivor. Ag Takeover was just so dear to my heart. Because I just felt like it was full circle. I know you like I ain't actual day but listen. I had to tell you next purple pants. Picks COMES FROM E. J. Under school jetty or day rights dating APPs. Okay well I mean listen this quarantine time. Dating APPs is popping so baby boy. I'm winter I don't really get on it a lot. Maybe once a week even if that but you know during this quarantine time these dating APPs I know there's tender there's bumble there's hand I also feel like what this pandemic there's so many people home. There's so many people round what better way to spark up a great conversation. Get to know somebody. I M working on a special show segment for the podcast that I can get an advice coach. A dating coaching here. To kind of help us navigate these Corentin love connections that we get through these social media apps or these dating apps but I feel like dating apps can be good during this quarantine time. But you better meet your Love Bay you better meet your quarantine bay. When it's all over. You might get married. Our next purple pants picks come from now. Wait a minute I gotTA cleared up. So the other day I did a trivia with Aaron and Missy from season thirty nine so much fun and if you have never done one you better look to earn an MRI to get one. He's Trivia Nights There was a purple pants. Posse member there. She kindly let me know that this whole time. I've been calling her Australian Ashley when it's really Austrian Ashley. Now listen per policy. You know. I'll be right in. The purple pants picks at night. So I get a little sloppy but so Austrian Ashley writes. How's your Beck Healing from the shower? Wipe out you good. Who Baby so each day. It's getting better and better. I feel like I'm on the road to recovery actually went for a run this weekend so I feel like you know road to recovery you baby boy just got to be careful but let me just state is since. I had my slip and fall in the shower. And I've been googling slip befalls in the shower. They are more common than you think. And what is even more? Scary is how many of them are deadly for people that live alone. Statistics of somebody of like over the age of like sixty five that falls in the bathroom that lives by themselves like the death rate of that is scary but I mean listen who chalet are right then. We've got underscore Danielle nine right rights. How are your twenty twenty goals going Oud Chalet so I told you before? I don't really make New Year's resolution I'm always on roads. Were Better Bryce so I feel like I'm always striving to be the better meet to reach goals. So I would say that you know I feel like they stunt it a little bit. This quarantine took me by surprise. You know their winter slumber surprised but I feel like I am actively today working on my goals and doing what I need to do. How about you purple Pants posse where you guys at twenty twenty goals? Don't use this quarantine as an excuse. 'cause that's the easy way out. We got to push past it to get through all right then the next one. I've e eight hundred twenty rights is purple. Your actual favorite color or have you adopted it because of survivor so yes. Purple is not. My favorite color inherently my favorite color is green. Believe it or not but since I am the purpose bad ass. I wear them Purple Pants on survivor. I've definitely embraced it. It's like a an adoptive son or a stepson. You know yeah I meet him and you just lying but you know twenty years and you love them so I love purple but you know my favorite color since growing up as a child has been green. Then we've got the One and only Sarah Rights man camping on Disney's discovery island. Now whoo chalet. You can't make the store yet. When I saw this purple pants picks I had to do some research. So baby you know what Disney has the Walt Disney World Discovery Island where the island who've Chile. Richard McGuire forty two years old thought. Hey I'm just camp out there okay. So people saw them. They reported it to the police. The police were looking for him on foot in a helicopter when they finally got him. They said what we've been calling your name on loud speaker saying whoever's here come out he was like oh. I was in one of the caves sleeping. I was GONNA stay out here for three four two weeks in this. This quarantine got people go crazy. So you just thought on private property at the Walt Disney discovery that you just backpack there and just be Schilling Bay. I cannot if you have not read the story just Google man camping at Walt Disney Discovery Island. And then when you see the photo where you see. The photo are richer. He looked like this. Is Debbie camp at the Walt Disney? The guy just enough say and then our last one says de Underscore Bro. Right what do you think of Lia What do you think of Lia the new housewives from real housewives of New York now having covered New York in a while? But I'm still watching baby. I love what Lee is bringing into the show. First of all if any of you guys seen the last week's episode of Row House in New York when Leah Ward at Little Kim Dress you wanna rumble with their be though. I was like yes. I'm here for Lia but listen league a little crazy when she drinking when they was ever Ramona House that night and they was listen. Leonie's the alcohol under control they all do but I- lovely. I love the fact that Leah brings a young perspective a young more modern hip like Tinsley Zhong but Tinsley. Shinola live a life that I could relate. I kinda SORTA can understand how we grew up and like you know her upbringing. Likely to say the least. But that's it that's going to conclude this week's purple pants picks if you WANNA get a pick and make sure you check my instagram. This Saturday I will post a link not linked but a photo that says drop your topics topics in and baby boy got shoes. Bryce all right so we are back once again with another advice with bryce emission. Bryce I think released so this one ally actually so here we go. Hey Brice I am a big fan of the show and thanks for being with us. So I'm seeking some advice with Bryce. Here's the deal. I'm starting my msw program. Next month. I'm going to be a social worker. Just like you baby boy. I'm pretty sure I wanNA work with kids like as a school social worker. But I'm worried that there might be any jobs in school social work when I graduate song keeping my options open. I'm also thinking about working in the mental field. What's your advice on beginning my new life as a social worker? Thanks again for all that you do for the listeners. Julie Hey Julie great question. I think that I had a lot of advice to offer you one. I would say that schools ain't going nowhere. I know what the covert nineteen it makes. It seem like we'll kids ever return to school but even if schools look different whether they go more online they go more digital. There's always going to be a need for social workers and whether or not your job may not be in person it still can be online and they still need a social worker. I also know that during your msw like your last semester. You have to do a internship during the internship. You might intern at a school and you can do really well there. And I know a lot of friends of mine had turned where they've intern- where they ended up working so that. Keep that in mind so that we're every intern. You might even if it's not in school. You might in turn somewhere else that you really might like where you're interning in so that is always an option so whenever you do your internship you always want to try to do your best. Also I think mental health doing social work in mental health feel is great. I've done social work in mental health field and my experience with a psychiatric hospital for adults however there are psychiatric hospitals for adolescents. So that is a great opportunity and they are always looking for social workers just know that our field. The turnover rate in our field is very high. So there's always going to be a job for social workers so I think that you will absolutely be fined also when you had your MSW and social work you can be a licensed therapist you can take credits and get like you know your annual credits and also therapy as well too so there are so many different options that you'll be able to do with your MSW and even if you find when you graduate. There's not jobs in schools or there's not Jackson mental health. You could always go into the foster care. Agencies Child Welfare workers they're always looking for social workers and it's a great way to say that's what you WanNa do with ultimately end up in a school. You can start off doing social work for foster care mental health and then that kind of build your resume and so a lot of the Times. I know my friends had a hard time when they went through school. And some of my friends the school that I went through they had a program where the accelerator program. Where if you after you graduated with Your Undergrad. You could then go and see your msw program and just completed a year. A lot of the issues that I've noticed that people had is that they didn't have experience after they got their msw so working in a foster care agency working in a mental health. Doing counseling can all be. Things are jobs that aren't going anywhere and even with this digital age counseling. There's a lot of online counseling where you could sit at home and counsel from home so I definitely think if you keep your mind open you will be able to get into anywhere and you might even be like me. Start at one place and think that you love it and then get another job somewhere else and love it even more as long as your heart's in the right place and obviously you are in an MSW for social work so you have to have a big heart like me and you care is definitely going to be some rough days. Not GonNa lie to you but I guarantee you the impact that you have whether it's you know on one person to people will completely outweigh the negative days that you have or the stress that you have but I think that you are on the right track. Enjoy this program. Learn as much as you can ask questions and when you get to your internship and you're actually doing work in applying what you learn on. My God is so glorious so I really hope that helps good luck. Don't worry baby girl you got this. You'RE GOING TO BE AMAZING. Social Worker and whatever field that you find yourself in. I know you're GonNa do amazing work and you got me as a resource if you have any you know how to fight me and so thank you so much for this great question and if you guys have any advice for Bryce and he schooling and he relationship anything you've got thin to me and I definitely will give you my opinion. You guys can email me at purple pants. Podcasts G. Com for your life with breath questions to you by your piece. GimMe Gimme hi. This is Miss Barb. And I'm coming to you today to talk to you about self worth. The only one gets to decide. You're worth is you. It doesn't come from your bank account or the number of fringe you have. It doesn't come from what someone else says you are worth. It's called self worth for reason. It comes from you. It comes from being yourself and being proud of who you are. It comes from being someone that you can count on and someone you can love. The numbers would change with. But what won't change is who you are deep inside beautiful limitless wonderful creative strong capable and that is where you're worth comes from love you. Thanks mom for another great barbs method in like I always say before. If you guys like this message is let me know sweet me. Dma 'cause I always screen shot and send them to my mom. She absolutely loves it. And I can't wait until our next BOB's message. Who's the free? Who's that booth Freaky freaky you? And we are onto the freak of the week but before we get into their at just have to get a huge shoutout to Jason Curtis Rivera. He is the creator of our Intros to all of my segments. I know y'all Baheren no year each week. I've been introduced in them. And this is the first podcast that I have them all in. I Love Them. Thank you baby boy from the bottom of my heart. I Love I love it I love it. I love it all right now free week. Okay now you know me. I'll be minding my business. Okay no different this week. I'm just minding my business scrolling through the INSTAGRAM. And you know my girls Thera Lassina on Friday. She posted this photo saying happy hour at the bar. Okay but she's talking about the gym bar but if you think there is the PRI the week not this Tampa Bay Bay. She is posted next to her husband. Why who bay. And they look like they home lifting dumbbells you doing across the Bay Bay. Why ain't got no shirt on who his ads looking like? He got like thirty two ads. He got a sleeve on. Ooh Beg Bay. Why okay if you don't know now you know why is definitely this freak of the week please go to their Sarala? Seen a page and see that photo of wire and tag them up let them know. Why is the freak of the week who yes? I love the frigate a week but sometimes it makes me sad because I know we get into the end of the podcast well. I hope you enjoyed listening. I hope I gave you a reason to smile to your face masks. I've had so much fun with you guys this week and don't forget this Friday my new song e Berrios featuring breath Isaiah setback comes out at midnight on Meizhou Stream. I need you to post it. I WanNa see you jammed from my songs setback. Hey well until then I will see you next week. You already know. Essa is the is the if the podcast she half tone within the Purple Pants. Pack cash you then public my biggest stomach. Her cash is trying to Y Y at the Purple Pants cash. You're trying to connect pants.

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 11 with Aaron Jackson

"Some game right off sounds law as the R H. A day lay off. I can sell you the our ASE. I everybody in welcome to the RHA. Bnb for episode eleven of survivor winners at war. We are here to talk about Tony. Tony Tony and a few other people to it was a jam packed. Tony filled episode. That led to one of the biggest outcomes through C. And not only the season but I would say of recent memory on survivor. Let me bring in this superstar pain to break it all down. I of course Liana. Boris WHO TONY IS NOT SPLITTING UP. Anytime Soon Liana. How're you doing? I'm good. I'm hoping to Nabi extorted on this podcast but you never know you gotta always read to the bottom of the notes extorted feels weird as like a past tense verb in one be extorted. I was I was extortion. Is now pushing. Feels better like portioned. But I feel like that's not the way that verbs work so we're just inventing an entirely new language which makes sense considering that we are bringing on a very special guest. This week is not only an actor. A comedian and author as well. He knows his way around words specifically most recently with his recent release of his book. The astonishing life of August march a novel so happy to welcome Aaron Jackson to the. Bnb How you doing. Hello thank you for having me here. I'm doing well so before we get into anything. That's a jump the gun too much but I'm sure there are a lot of people that that would love to know who you are as a person and also as a survivor fan as well at the sort of see. What's your story as you walk through the hallowed halls of this? Bnb that has been quite empty for some time recent circumstances. Yeah Well Mike's beautiful introduction was correct. I am a comedian and an actor and also an author. And so yeah. What else is there to me? Those are sort of my. My moniker is yeah I do. I do stand up. I came up in that Improv scene in New York City where I still live and I was on a a comedy. Central show called the opposition with Jordan boroughs a correspondent on that show and then I also wrote a book and my survivor. Life is that I've watched every season of this forty season. Long show since it aired. I've always really dug it so here. We are now that you say that out loud. I feel so much more proud of myself. I'm like yeah have already these like we build the opposite. I'll say my friend. Amy Howard is how I got injured so I just watch it sort of like ashamed cocoon alone and all that. I talked to about where my ninety one year old grandmother But now amy introduced me to other people of like I guess my generation that enjoyed the show. And that's been nice. I'm not completely alone. We exist. We DO EXIST INTRIGUED. Like what were some of the ninety year old grandmas prevailing opinions about survivor conversing with her every single season. And she's been watching since I've probably since Australia or Africa because I got on board. And but she every season it starts and she goes. I don't know I hate this season I hate. I hate all of them. I hate every single. One of 'em and then we get to the merge and she kind of remembers people are now and then she's always like what they're just all idiots every single and then she wins and I can't believe she's still watches her opinion on. That's amazing she's consistent. You know does she do you? I guess she or do you have any sort of big favorites either in seasons or people you've had over the years so I don't know about your Krim seemed seemed like who's the least big idiot from perspective so she's from originally will not originally She lived in San Antonio for a long time. So she is Kim Spradlin Fan Stony Upland with San Antonio and I'd say for me. Generally speaking for me survivor seasons are sort of a wash in less. A woman ends up winning the show. I've always pro the women contest on sand like this season for example going in my my a favorites and no particular order. But I wanted Sandra poverty. Natalie Denise and Kim to do well and I'll tell you that that double booed of Poverty Sandra First Week Quarantine. That actually did hurt me in a deep way. No like setting the tone for quarantine and this is going to be a disaster like this is the last major thing you'll save before you cut yourself off from the outside world unforeseen about a time. Yeah I like the women and I also do. I love it when a gay man can sneak in there and win it too. Yeah so this has been rough for each year I am. I do love Kim Denise Alliance but they can I mean. We'll get to that but I never seem to get on the right side of that vote. Yeah I don't know we really have been seeing Leon like Kim. Saddling is fully inform and winters at war. Even when like after wasting an idol? He's okay I'm finally in on a plan. I'm going to screw over Jeremy. And Lo and behold due to Tony's MAC nations. She's left out once again. All my gosh though. I was dying with Kim being on the money every single to on the fire token every single time. Jeremy Tony's playing us. He's playing you and her calling Tony Outright is face. All of that was so bad. So bad ass. He was so bad. I wrote like Kim knows all in all caps I was that was one of those moments like this is like what straight white men feel when they're heroes are out there like kicking ass like my heroes out there kicking as as loving in empowered as I can do anything am guilty of anything. I can do anything because his also my hero too. She's a lot of like hardcore rooting for I. It's not gonNA go well. I don't think and these next couple episodes for her for her. But this episode or I would love this. Reunions could be weird for many reasons but I know how Jessie like. Little Kids love. You can just imagine either Kim coming out. Jeff says these women in their twenties there just are they love you so much. They're all over. You go to me and the audience. If that was a thing they go to me on zoom exactly like when they used to do like The signs from the contestants hometowns and that person wanted so. You're you're one person celebration at your apartment. Yeah it's like me trying to get my cats involved. Hold the sign. Let's let's talk about this episode because I spoke about at the beginning but what an interesting episode of survivor it's storytelling in particular has been very interesting throughout the entire season but really for the first time in what. I feel like it's been a fairly evenly edited season. We got all Tony all the time. I mean he was so crucially involved in everything to the point where he was the one that made the move. He was the one that found the idol. He was the one that you know had to overcome extortion. And you know I've seen people go back and forth as to whether or not they liked this episode overall Aaron. What did you think about this hour of Tony? So I as I said I do tend to favor the women but Tony is one of the men that I have enjoyed on the show. I think he is very fun to watch Usually I would be so pissed at survivor an episode. Like this. I'd be like Gimme. GimMe a break. But he really. He found an idol he wanted. Mutebi was extorted and he kind up with a plan. So it's like it's sort of his episode. I Dunno Mike. What what were they supposed? How could they have edited around him to make it more balanced but I thought it was spotted? It was he in game changers. He did such a bad job of changing his strategy and he really did do a better job. This time of laying low and it all came flying out. He's like back onto the original island like doing everything and say betraying his own alliance. He's GonNa next week. You know. Try to do damage control. It's like Oh my God he just. He immediately turned back if he loves it. But that's the thing that was he says last week and that secrecy like I pleaded really slow because my wife and remind me that I should do that and then like as soon as wife left. He's like okay because away the mice will play. Let me do everything that I did before and I guess Leon it's just a matter of like I mean it gets a dish showed that patients pays off to a certain extent but I guess at a certain point especially when you're someone like Tony you have to rev up or maybe there was just so much pent up Tony nece inside if cork was gonNA pop off at any point. Yeah that must have been the case because there were even things. I didn't even remember that. Tony did and this episode until I ever watched it Tony. Finding me idol completely forgot about that and what. I was re watching it. I was like what is he digging for. He doesn't dig for the extortion like disadvantage and those. Oh Tony I found an idol. I couldn't even believe that and then I think we're just GONNA get the continuation of that story next week when we have. Tony in his treehouse. Despite shock thing away Tony Moment. That was so funny was when he was reading the extortion clue he and he enters the scene like sliding into home like rounding. I I was like this is insane. I love it because I run away so nobody would know that I was pretty sure people saw sprint. Like Hussein bolt out of Camp Toda. You can't really hide when you're just dashing mile a minute and the noise that that must have made too late not only. Is he running breathing? Heavy and then sliding through all the dirt and sticks and leaves and stuff. It's very obvious. But that editing of that scene was so good because like I also at the Mo- like didn't know exactly if it was an advantage or disadvantage because I kind of miss some of the language the first time I was like okay. Does he get to use it as an extortion. Or is he being extorted by the people on the edge so then by the end it was like this is being played against you. That was so amazing. Oh my God yeah that has to be. I think the shadiest writing an advantage that I've ever seen aside from when Sarah. Apparently said offscreen that said. Don't use the votes deal in the way. Stephen Fishbach did but to like build you up so much of light. This is great. This is what disadvantage will do. Also it's being played on you I guess I guess. I sort of had that last season to write with like Jamal reading through his note of like. Hey you learned a valuable lesson like sometimes you know a good. Somethings are too good to be true. By the way you won't be voting like they really like these sneaks surprises with the survivor writers so shady and sell mean but I love it at the same time so and I think it was good because it was it was ups and downs for Tony. There were there were levels to the performance. It wasn't just one note which also made it really enjoyable. Yeah that's the thing is that I do agree with that. I think this is not something I would like to see every single episode. Because then you get like survivor. Samoa or to go international the most recent season of Australian survivor and that's just not great storytelling but considering how integral Tony was to everything in this episode I could see the editors wanting to have a bit of fun and go a bit unconventional with giving him I think eighteen confessionals or something but I can understand that if people earn fans that they wouldn't necessarily see that but at the same time I feel like we saw enough of everyone else that we got like a general says that's what was happening. It helped the vote was pretty straightforward before. Tony mucked up the works of like okay. We're just GONNA split between Jeremy and Michelle and I mean. I think we have totally for many reasons on the season and one of them is. I think he was able to prevent a pretty. You know. Ho- homage Jeremy Down the line. Vote by taking out arguably I would think someone who was playing one of the best game so far this season I felt bad for so I I have. I liked the other alliance more. Obviously since Kim Denise Fan and so I have been rooting against so fi but Yeah it was sad and I think we've seen this sort of editing pattern throughout the season where it's almost like the episode that you go out. You actually don't get a lot of content which we didn't really get to see a lot from Sophie this episode and that was kind of sad except for at the end which. I don't know how to do this. Baller moment. I mean I know. They're all winners but like still. She's never voted out so one on their eighth time plane so she actually yeah exactly between that and her like walking out saying she needs to take the idol out of her crotch like she just like through. Tsa Away from Jeff and that's the thing as well maybe it's because of like my own brain. I forgot that Sophie had an idol. I know she mentioned it beforehand. But yeah I mean it's it's always tough to track the advantages and I think that Sophie has had that Idelson episode five or so and Lord knows a lot has happened since then right and I thought her whole Michelle's been getting more of it but like I was a lesser winner thing which I don't remember. I haven't rewatch her season because I was. That was the era where it was like. Everybody was getting brought back at every moment and I was so over coach that I really didn't like that season. But I remember loving that. She won and thought she was so deserving so it was. I didn't realize that the fan base sort of hey again. I'm talking to my grandmother. Who thinks they're all idiots? I didn't realize that she was not a beloved winner. Because I was like yes. Soviet rule that was surprising it up. It's interesting and I talked about this actually in my alumni chat this week with Albert who was like one of her partners in crime in South Pacific and he vocalized a similar thing. I think for me comes down to two things. One is that you know she wanted into the finale with as you put it out errand more reputable players in coach and ozzy the you can expect more. People would be rooting for them inherently. Because they've seen more of them and I will say that I think whether because of the people around her or just a story line. The season really was not about her. She got a good amount of airtime. But it really was about Ozzy Coach. Cochran and brand enhance and everyone else sort of had their moment. So when you have some of those people get overwhelmed by character like Sophie in the end it does let Peoples Express this opinion of like why her she didn't deserve it because we weren't told why she won so I can understand why she feels the way I mean. I've certainly seen a good amount of survivor winner. Rankings where they've had near the bottom but I think it's always a good reminder as well of like how winning a million dollars didn't does not necessarily erase all feelings of ill will you have towards your time or towards the fan base. There's a really great secret seen this week of Kim and Sara Sara gets surprisingly emotional worship essentially like it just breaks down to Kim about how she didn't want to nearly come back for this season because she was afraid of things getting too personal because in game changes things got way too personal and they lamb Bassett her for it and she felt terrible because of it and Kim is such a perfect person and comforting force to her in this time. But you know when you when you win a million dollars. I think everyone thinks like. Oh Yeah you win survivor. And like all your sins are forgiven or like any sort of you know mental health issues. You have go out the window. But it only magnifies it sometimes especially I can imagine when you're being compared against other people game changers. Sorry go ahead. I was just saying stop lifts thing as a perfect person. No sorry go ahead Erin. Who was a rough season two as a fan to watch? It just seemed like they were there like on the clock like doing work. Yeah this season does seem more saen like they're having a good time. It seems like more than the fashion show. You know. We're seeing more of it but it seems a little less like game. Changers was depressing to me to watch the second depressing all around south. Maybe that's why Sir is really been swinging into like the. I'm going from COP. Criminal fashion designers like she purposely wants to make fun. She wants to be like the camp. Counselor Yeah Yeah. I love the fashion secrets and they. They spent money on those camera tracking shots and I was like damn we gotta Dahlie in here like it was really well do you. Do you think that the person like the music that they played do? We think that's yet another verse of the famed winners at worse. Or do you think they got like the same person to record like random. Fashion esque song to play. Is there rumors that SIA? It should be? That's her donation. This season she's got other players. You're not getting money instead. You got this lovely song that played during Sarah's fashion show. The fashion show was was was so wonderful. Just because you also had that balance or that Takata between Tony and Sarah as well which was so funny I love. I love Tony being like I think my pets. Your skirts. Any Day of the week never made pads. I WANNA see Tony's pants because I bet they're like haphazardly. Has Ladder there barely. It's like bored out of their minds. I was so confused when he didn't want to watch he's like I'm not watching this like. Are you gonNA stare at a tree for two hours instead of watch? The fashion show. That was so cute though Ben was like yeah like clapping. Like do it now. I've always again. I know that I'm talking about the characters them as human beings. I'm sure they're all lovely. I've always hated. Then but then when his kids came on and then he was so lovely during a fashion show is like Oh. Don't make me like them. I am really loving Ben because I'm going to say I love Ben when he's angry but like the Ben rivalries have always been so much ben character and I cannot believe Liana that we have a substitute for Adam already knew. Adam is Jeremy from the very beginning of the episode when Jeremy Approaches Ben and champions like why did you get rid of Tyson? Who is going to be the the big Big Shield Guy Now? But just goes you really. Yeah the Jeremy has his meat shields apparently bend just needs somebody to get into some sort of fight with every episode like he needs his enemy otherwise he doesn't know how to play the game and I love that the episode also that had that staredown between the two with them like Jeremy votes to them just kept staring each other. Unblinking and then. The Sophie votes kept coming in and they kept staring at each other. Yes I'm good. Well good well. You know sad. That item has gone but happy that Ben his new foil. So yeah this. Is Ben Second Island Wife Right now? I guess third if you Count Christie in there Oh yes adam was so fun. This season he was he was for that Weird Second One. Tyson thought he was gonNA quit. Oh yeah that was a beautiful moment looking up at the back. But he's probably looking for an idol. Oh yeah I I yeah. There's something tied up there. Something like that. I can see that he sees a floor to Lee. At the top of the flag polling starts inching his way up. You should just be like. Can I play this whole problem? I brought the flag like the play the flag and I love a clue just sort of like in a piece of trash like a wind. Bobby poverty poverty is like over. Somebody had wine like she could very regarded as well. Someone had a good time last night. I just have to walk again. Left behind the whole extortion admitted wasn't even hit and it was just sitting next to the Rock and not only just picks it up trash here man like climate change and garbage. It's like it's getting all over the place through a major things through it back into the ocean. You sound like we need to get this off our island domino's box that's a good idea. They should hide the clue in like a piece of pizza box. Or like I don't know inside like a used condom or something like some former refuse didn't Carl who had to find a coconut like a random coconut like floating in the ocean limited time limit. Like before you get washed away. Find this random doping. Yeah the add that to the list of Lake Rando advantages. Well let let's start talking about. We spoke about a bit. Let's talk about the shock boot here from this episode. So Liana going in. I know that you and I had a part of the round table that spoke about sophie coming in but she was you know maybe one of the bigger route wildcards. Jeff said she probably changed the most in her time between seasons maybe. She considers herself a lower tier winner. How did you think that Miss Clark was going to do pre season on season forty? I said that Sophia was going to roll her eyes on the island. Approximately one million times. She would create a tight partnership with the Danny in the game and then after the game they would team up to create a scented candle line based on the smells of survivor. I'M GONNA assume there was something in the pre press. They gave me this idea because reading it. Now what the Hell were you on? Both I have no idea what. That's what said candle where you huffing came up with that idea. I don't remember anything about that about scented candles. I don't either. I've no idea so I don't know Blue Harvard. Co Harbor Cove is the candle. I have right year. Maybe it was that one. I don't know I also said that she would come up with the new hotness analogy of the season so Aka like the pilots and passengers type analogy. I would say she did that but I will say she was like the Queen of like the metaphors this season like when she compared edge of extensions of that trip that she took to the prison in high school. I think with all the things on her resume tracy sleeping election and basically I mean knock the hell out of whatever just was trying to do with Lazy Susan this episode so weird then I also said that she would have a modest forty one fire. Toga and fifteen confessionals. Her ally was Danny and then completely missed. The boat on this one enemy was Sarah. So I mean to be fair Sophie was one of the people that had written down. The CERVO. Preseason right she was one of those. I believe the vote actually said like. I don't know what comes. After copping criminal we all found was fashion designer. And we all found out that Sarah Sophie would become one of Sarah's closest allies because that swap tribe so many questions answered now. The question is what scented candles are gonNA come out of the season. I mean they could still start a business together on the edge of extinction like did say something about candles like wh. Where did this come from another go back and rewatch their preseason press just to find out would you fight? Kennel that smells like the edge of extinction. You know maybe does it. Smell I guess it depends on it. Smells like it. It's not like it's not like flag and trash it empty wine empty wine bottles flags and like a bunch of firewood for forty logs of transport. So I thought that Sophie would get targeted early in a close vote. Don't know what that means. I said she would get taken out by somebody playing an advantage. I mean Tony did an advantage. And her blunt confessional. Delivery will make her the low key star of survivor social media. I set her. Closest ally would be Kim. I did say her worst enemy would be Tony. She had a sixteen confessionals and five. Fire Tokens okay interesting. Yeah so I mean the Tony Thing is pretty spot on out I think and I mean most pertinently. This has been making the rounds on social media. I think just came from the fact that Sophie was one of the main players to really predict. And Call Out Tony's game back when she guests during survivor Coug I on and I think she said basically like if I was on a season with Tony that someone I would not want to play with. Because he's too chaotic so I felt like it only makes sense that she sofi was known for being like really slow and steady in her first season that I can imagine that someone like toady of any any out of the Tony that we know is just going to be held for her but yeah the the big the Big Moo. What was it the It was big movies. Been wanting to take credit. Yeah there was this whole weird discussion. Go a got at tribal council about like it was all about big moves right. It was this idea of light yielding a resume and the double edged sword. Jeff compared it to a Lazy Susan where it's constantly spending and you don't know who's big move it is or who's taking credit for it and then I just love Sophie calling it out being looked. Yeah there's resumes but like quality not quantity. Yeah they were. I loved them. Sort of like pushing back against modern survivor production neglect. Sometimes you just like you're just in a good alliance and you should vote with them rather than screwed over for absolutely no reason to build a quote unquote resume that at low. Help because you're screwing over the people that vote for you know. I thought that was really fun for me. Yeah but I think Tony was just like I don't know if you had some music in his head or something. He just was not listened to that whatsoever. Tony of course exempt from that. We'll speak Tony so let's get into our first game here. This is a game sent by Robbie Biz to us where he called this game. You think you know with Tony quote so like I said at. Tony had a whopping eighteen. Confessionals the most of any contestant on a single episode of survivor including Finales which can last up to two hours. So yeah lot of lot of Tony concentrate here just very very pulpy. Orange JUICE. This week in survivor. So robby took a snatch of Tony. Quotes and blanked out some words to how this is going to work is. We're going to go back and forth here. I'm going to read you a tony quote and basically you're going to have to fill in the blank. The blank is always going to be about one to three words. And you're going to have a choice here we're going to. We're going to twist it up a little bit here if you think you know the answer without needing to see possible options you can guess outright and if you do you get two points if you would rather have some options will give you three multiple choice options but if you get it right it will only be one point so risk reward a constant survivor moral dilemma. Leon I know you re watched the episode getting that Tony Content. Let's see if it pays off here and in the points. Can they please be called? Fire Tokens yes. Absolutely point will be immediately into fire. To- case you so much okay. Good when can I extort someone special extortion round? Yes random person and ask them to give you invisible. Fire Tokens gained for another answer. Okay sounds good. Well let's start with you here so again. I'm going to quote you have to fill in the blank two points if you want to get it right outright and a one point if you get a choice of three options here we go. This is in chronological order with the episode. Awhile everybody's always tired of tribal. They're exhausted. They sleep like blank. Yeah I'm GonNa need the options okay. Is THAT LLAMAS LOGS OR BABIES? Oh shoot let's go with logs. That is correct yes. Tony said that everyone was exhausted. Sleeping like logs and that was that was how he was able to get up in the thick of the night and look for an idol. Even though I guess. Nick was a little bit more of a light sleeper or log. I suppose less log like more vampire like were you know that. I don't know what Tony was thinking before. We move onto more funding games for take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back. Let's keep on keeping on Erin. Here's yours speaking of Nick. Well I'm looking. Nick shows up and he's blink. I'm like this is my area man. What you hear on Kinda Wanna I'll take. I'll take the options please. Is It cramping my style messing me up or invading my privacy? I think I'll go with a crimping my style that is correct. Yes Tony Accuses Nick of making him look cool and cramping his style. That's his fashion. Show looking for the idol and the dark. That's right yeah maybe maybe off to do his own fashion show like you said Aaron him looking for idols. Night where it's Cammo. Tony Brand Bentley. On a I went to work I was looking at local. Looky looky looky looky looky looky scratching scratching blank look look look looking idea I need the options. Was it a looking up. Be Digging digging or see moving leaves. I'm going to go digging digging. I'm sorry it was looking up all the road. I went right to work. I was looking looking looking looking looking looking looking scratching scratching looking up. Oh looking looking for Yes yes. Yes of course or score on the ground when he was digging digging. I think that the probably the seventh looking is when he actually found the idol. Yeses right Aaron question for my real job never undercover like this. The real birds are way more dangerous than getting blindsided on survivor. So right now. I'm having all the fun out here on survivor blank. I'll take the options. Was it a world be planet where see land having all the did? I hear the end of the course. I'm so sorry but right now. I'm having fun out here own survivor. Blink Server World Survivor Planet or survivor land. I'M GONNA say Survivor Planet. I'm sorry it's the newest theme park the nation survivor land. Oh they are classic whilst that I. I think Tony would actually build a theme park. It's sort of like the. We bought a zoo like we bought an amusement park. And Tony we. Try to flip into survivor. Land. We bought a piece of Fiji yes and turned it into survivor land. I'm picturing though more from Beau Jack. Course than I don't know if he goes watch the show. But wouldn't todd makes his amusement park and it's like a flaming tires and like Greece buyer alive. Tony Land Enter survivor. Land by Tony Energy. A LOT OF PLACES TO HIDE. Maybe like to watch the ride from the garage. Yeah that's what the QR is like. You can watch things from the trees now. Construction crew get to work. And what you dig. Dig Dig dig. Dig Up dig all right. Let's go to Yuliana. Yes I'm going to extort somebody because in real life. I can't do that but I know it. Sounds like fun when I'm watching the movies the mobsters extort people for money or they're going to break your legs or break your blank if you don't give me this and that so I'm excited I'm just GonNa Guess Rake your back. I'm sorry it was. Break your fingers okay at least narrowed down to a body part yeah you were basically moved from extremities the mobsters either extort people to break their legs or their fingers on the other. Not Options were kneecaps. Funny Bone or your pants. Yes I'm gonNA break your seem like the fashion wars that Tony is going to set his goons on Knicks. GonNa come rip up. Sarah's close Aaron. Let's go to you okay. I'll tell you what man if this is real life doing some prison time. This is extortion. Code Blank. Something I know. It's a criminal code. Extortion is illegal in the states. I don't know why it's not legal. Here in Fiji. This is ludicrous. I got three talk. They want six. This is extortion code. I guess for the Thrill this is extortion. Code Code Red. Sorry we were looking for a number and a letter in this case. It was to see coach. Tony just tries to site I think law and just forgets into the code for it is actually a real thing or is Tony. Just making stuff up. I can imagine like in in like a police handbook. You know a code for every sort of illegal activity. I can't imagine there you go. That's the number that some sort of crime because it's a song or twenty quite famous the mouth. Of course I'm looking at what five one five. Oh means temporarily involuntary psychiatric commitment of individuals who present a danger to themselves or others due to signs and mental illness. The ending of that. Maybe you know what to be honest. I just made that up. I guess at any numbers and I'm sure it would have been some sort of police code. Onis Toni's approach as well. Well now I'm looking at titled to see the New Jersey Coda criminal justice. Oh okay so I think this is about. Let's see I'm seeing rules of construction which is very on brand for Tony. Yeah it looks like it just looks like a lot of yes. A two seat looks like a precursor for reporting some sort of illegal activity. He just forgot the rest of it. Got It okay. I'm so impressed especially at your brain mush at that point. I can't imagine how many numbers he must remember let alone like an actual prefix for a legal code and he had done all that looking and looking up so much worry. How can you remember? All those things should have looked up to. He should have looked up. The right code formerly all right Liana and then so this. Is Tony Talking to Michelle? Who really tries to like sneak her way out of giving a token to Tony. Clean and says Tony. I spent my tokens on an advantage. I say wow that great Michelle. How much did it cost you? She said four. Or Five Tokens. I'm like WHOA. The price of blame just went up advantages. I'm sorry the answer was milk weirdly. I we had you know it was milk. Aaron. I just remember it being so funny. I was like what is he talking with? Up delivered by drone especially exactly pays service charge for that. But Yeah Tony I mean. Tony was likes to make a lot of like store. Metaphors like remember when he saw the fire at the birds. Would you have to go to the Bodega? And you can't even afford a stick of gum like. He really likes this analogy. That he's sticking in the store and so he talks about the price of milk going up worse. Of course all right Erin. Everybody's very calm cool and blank and you're tired of all the talking chattering like hey we're solid. Let's just talking if they want to stop and slow down. That's better for me because I'm not stopping and slowing down. I'm always thinking win. They're not I was guest collected. Ooh that's a trick question. The answer was quiet. Tony got a bit of derailed and didn't finish the actual phrasing zoning I would love to hear it the book of Tony Versions of phrases so calm. Cool and milk yeah right. It's just a list of all these phrases with like the ED part missing or some sort of mistake like a stitch in time saves saved your life. Oh my gosh. Yeah Lake early to bed early to breakfast. A few chocolate chips short of a Crayon box. Exactly like Oh. He's not the dollars. Crayon up the kids knows the just Tony `ISMs across the board all right Leon back to you. I can't believe it Jeremy's blank. I'm trying to save him at begging him to save him. Chevy's blank all right. I. I'M GONNA play it safe. I took some guesses. They were completely wrong. Let me hear the options stupid reluctant or Delusional Oud Delusional. I'm sorry it was reluctant. Oh I bet delusional. It'd be like a very tony word calling someone and delusional. Yeah I do love that. Tony just like I'm begging Jeremy to save himself. I know it's hard for him to say like listen. I've been trying to get rid of you but right now I don't want to because yeah you gotta get episode Tony. That was so fun. Yeah we'll that whole interaction was just so funny because it was like the entire time. He's playing Jeremy and then the one time he's not playing him of course. Jeremy's like I don't know about that. Yeah yeah he was playing like a day ago his plate of the bridge. We're going for Jeremy next to my best friend though the next day is like I don't know about this. So how could Germany doesn't believe me I will say. I also am impressed that Jeremy is still in. I'm impressed by Jeremy. Still in the game I've got piled friend. Yeah good for him especially because you know remember that he lost Natalie the very first episode and so for him to stay this long I think is impressive and also remember that at the merge he might have gone instead of. Wendell had he not want immunity that time it has been a surprisingly slippery slope for Jeremy. Considering like how rock-solid he was in his second season a little bit of a complicated this one. This has to Blake's the less trouble with a bit blank. Everybody was mentally exhausted physically exhausted so he put a plan in blank. We were like okay. Let's just take to it to tap today. Everybody are we good are we are we? Are we good? Everybody said yes. Yes yes yes. Yes and we took it easy. I have what I would assume. A normal person would say but I don't It's milk and milk exactly. That's the pits. Bilk only put a plan in milk and got a very soggy. The tribal was chaotic. And they put a plan in motion. You know what I'm GonNa give you a point because most was one of the motion was one of the blanks. While the other one was trouble was a bit hectic. Oh that's synonyms. I think it counts. No it doesn't count. What am I saying? Don't count. No Yeah I think only one fire. Okay well the good news is you didn't need much. Because unlikely on US predictions we were surprisingly sparse. And Fire Tokens despite the price of milk. Going up but Aaron squeaked it out right there at the very end you have won this game two to one clearly. You know Tony WLAC goes but I think we've all learned that. The man is as unpredictable in his win. Manner of speaking as he is as a survivor player. Congratulations I feel. I feel blessed by some peanut butter. Blessed and highly favored. Alright I want to speaking of Tony and speaking of Fire Tokens Tony. Burrows FIRE TOKENS FROM JEREMY. From Ben from Nick I believe. And so he does require tokens and he earns to fire tokens by winning immunity. This week so I want road alla t you guys Mike. Who Do you think Tony is going to pay back? We'll pay back anybody. I guess. Maybe it's the first question and if so who you think he pays back. I I also want to say the extortion advantage. I'm not a huge fan of it. Like created some fun moments but. I'm still not sure how I feel about like I don't know for some reason. There's a difference in my mind between sending players the opportunity for an advantage and like forcing players to do something or else. They get penalized. Because of it. You know and I feel like Luckily Natalie in poverty wanted tokens so the only quote unquote only charge six. But I feel like in another world if you have like a bitter AF person on the issue this thing. They could be like great. Twenty Fire Tokens please. And then that person's just absolutely screwed so I'm glad it worked out here and I think this is actually a great proving of Tony Social Capital. He was able to gain so far that he went to Nick. Ben and Jeremy guys from basically three different contingencies and they all were able to give them a token because he was able to like make everyone believe that they were on his side so I give him massive Kudos Internet sober. He deserves Kudos. Kudos Kudos. That being said my first instinct is that he paid back Nick and Jeremy so that they had an incentive to vote with him I was GONNA think that he may be paid back. Nick and band just to like keep the alliance feeling safe and just get. That is confusing. Maybe he did pay back Jeremy. But you're right. Yeah well my original thought was oh. He's going to. He's going to borrow from Jeremy because then he's GonNa vote him out so I'm like you know. Take care of her. That was definitely the plan. I think walking into that immunity challenge so I think that was very easily his Mo and then for some reason. He was just struck with inspiration. Maybe it's because he has the necklace around as the one and he had an idol also in his pocket so he really does have. He does have room to be a little bit Hasty or not he Stephen Rash Swagger swagger play more chaotic. You know 'cause you have stuff that you can fall back on yeah. I think it's interesting because you know we kind of saw a little bit in the preview of Sarah being mad af so I do wonder if it's like okay. No I will get rid of Jeremy this week and so he won't bother paying Jeremy Back because it's like okay. We're going to get rid of Jeremy. Do you think you can give her fire tokens. If Sarah Fire Tokens I'm sorry here. Like recompense ooh. Yeah that'd be interesting but I wonder if it's like a debt collector kind of thing where it's like nick comes to Tony and Tony's I. I don't have the money man like go to Sarah. She's got all my money and then it's just like a chain it. He does if he is able to rain all his Alliance of Sarah and then he will be playing his original game and they vote out Jeremy and then he screws one of them over. It wouldn't be wild. It'd be funny to see if they all fell for it. But they're all they're all smart so what he did. You know described over one and went back and screwed over wine and went back. The interesting thing would be if he votes out. Jeremy Ben Dick than they are like crazy. I Know Tony. Has Fire Tokens? Let me sell in this advantage. Yeah yeah the let me just go. You know 'cause I wonder if we're GONNA see another kind of punishment I doubt it but another sort of like punishment disadvantage come from the edge of extinction. Because you know now maybe people are a little bit more but her like might send stuff to Tony being like screw you. Tony like out. Yeah I do wonder I guess out of the people on the edge of extinction right now. Do you think would have been most likely to use the extortion advantage for malice. Rather than gaining fire tokens. Ooh That's a good question. Who Do I think? Out of all of them Let's see we'll Tyson was Kinda mad cause. He flipped entire table off when he got voted out so but I feel like he would have calmed down. Maybe by the time he got there but if it had been right after. I think that could have been really fun to watch. Yeah the people. The most recently voted off are GonNa be the mom or dad or maybe Boston rob would be mad at ban. Yeah I'm trying to think. Yeah I think this does feel like pretty truly move and I feel like this is something tiresome with. I mean before this episode. I would've said Natalie and Natalie even vocalise is that in this episode right. She's like I don't have any allies like I could very easily. Just use this mess with somebody. She was excited at the opportunity to do so. But the fire tokens was just too bright and so her and PARV collaborated together at the squeezed. Six Tokens Tony Slash Ben Slash Nick. Slash Jeremy I wonder if production like okay. Let's say Tyson gotten it or or whatever. It doesn't matter who we'll say God and it was like I'm GONNA ask for Sixty. Nine fire tokens bet or check or whatever like what would have been like alright over. It had to be the only the amount of fire consider in play but even still that would be so many but surprised. I thought can't you can't ask like Infinity Fire Champions? Yeah just like you will not vote. He will not play an immunity so brutal. And not even. Just you're out of your immunity challenge but you also don't get to vote is so that was a but he did it. He pulled it off. Yeah that's that's kind of interesting okay. Would you change the advantage in some way to maybe make it like one or the other like Mike especially because you know you're not the biggest fan of his advanced? Well I don't even know what to call it this advantage. Yeah Do you think like give. It have been one that would have been better or just like not at the concept is losing haute is so bad. There's not that many people APSO that's huge. I don't understand. I agree with Aaron. I don't understand why they didn't just the island of the idols thing you fail. You lose your vote instead of having a pile like Angelou's immunity. I guess they really want to push people to try to overcome this extortion. But like Erin said this is a key piddle vote especially if it was initially set up to be five versus four that some people thought that like people are going to work their asses off to overcome that extortion. Even if it's just for one thing Yeah Right. Yeah very true okay. Well let's let's switch gears a little bit although we're still talking fired Hogan's and kind of a little bit still talking Tony But we were thinking you know. How do we make an extortion game? And I've had these thoughts or something happens that survivor. Like how do I make this into a game? And there's no active figure it out but we got kind of close. I think this week we are going to be playing survivor. Deal or no deal instead of extorting you I will be making. Some offer is as the banker to play our version of dealer not L. so in traditional dealer no deal you have cases that are packed from one dollar. Well technically all the way to one million dollars and you will try to get the most amount of money of course today. We are playing for fire token soon so I have sort of a board for you guys to please let me just like go ahead and kick things off a little bit of a Howie. Mandel inspired scripts helped wheeler no wheel. Okay so here we got just didn't I? Okay hello everyone. I'm your host Lee on abortion. Welcome to deal or no deal where our lucky contestants are hoping to leave. Today's podcast with one million fire tokens but will they be successful. This game is a slippery slope. Put Twists and turns keeps you on the edge of your seat that quote. I did pull from the intro of dealer. No deal upset south sound. It's not too unfamiliar from like something. Jeff probst would say tribal council. Oh yeah all right so you know what was it. Shoot a drink before. War is always a good idea. Free SLOW PIT OUT AFTER THAT. Right full of twists and turns Okay so this is GonNa work. We have twelve available cases. Each packed with a different amount of fire tokens ranging from one to one million fire. Really just trying to make this happen so today the way this is. GonNa work is Mike and Erin. You two are going to be playing as a team so the very first thing. I'm going to need the two of you. To do is to agree on a case number that is going to become your case so please make a number between one and twelve Aaron. Do you have any affinity for any numbers between one and twelve. Seven seems lucky. I don't know why Okay Mike. Do you think about that. I mean listen. I'll go with seven. It's like halfway between sure. Okay Oh okay also. I don't know how this board. Dj Lebel client at this last time again. So number seven is off the board and it is now your guys his case. Okay so what we're going to do now is I'm going to need trying to tie this into survivor. Is Somehow you have to vote off three cases aboard? And then you will get your first banker deal okay. So we have to vote three cases off. Are there any that you don't particularly like Erin you feel are threatening to to is striking me as suspicious? Yea well ever. Since I saw nine on the boat I was. I just had a bad feeling that they turn on me at some point. Yeah I'm I'm cool to get rid of nine to nine and let's pick an element of. Should we go with the minesweeper approach and go with like one around seven to see you? Don't think it works like yeah. Maybe six okay. Two six nine okay to sixty nine so you have pulled to six thousand nine off. So we're GONNA do is. I'm going to reveal the values in those cases that you have pulled off the board so drum roll at early okay. Incase number two. Let's go ahead and have our model Aka me open case number two it is. Oh no the million hoops not great. Not a great start guys. Okay but that's okay. You saw the half a million dollars. Half a million tokens or on the board. And a million million fire tokens. It's too heavy. Spend it on milk acting now. I mean come on come on. It's the price of milk is gone up sky-high. Don't need that all right. Let's go ahead and open up. Hase number nine it is. Oh No that happened. I guess we're just have bad instincts about two nine. We thought they were so bad but they were working out for us. We they were suspicious. They ended up being the big ones. Something about them was off in the wrong way instead of the wrong direction. Unfortunately okay well we have one more. Take off the board before you get your first. Y'All and that is number sex. Oh that is B. E. thousand dollars down and fire token container. Okay Yeah Okay not ask that. The quarter of a million fire tokens up. They're not going to lie to values really kind of hurt you bet but that's okay that's okay all right so oh rate should've made. I'm getting a phone call from the banker. Okay Yeah Hello Yeah I don't I don't know if these guys have stamina to go all the way. Yeah Okay Yeah. Are you sure that's what you WANNA do? Okay all right guys. The banker is note. The edge of extinction is prepared to offer you. Forty thousand one hundred and eighty five fire tokens. That is already thousand. One hundred and eighty five fire tokens. I will leave it up to the two of you to debate and discuss kind of blue this round. What are you thinking? Should we keep pressing our luck or should we take the really random deal we can take the the random deal but I do feel like we have to pad are resume and makes them more moves exactly this Games one on big moves? You know you miss all the shots you don't take so we're slamming the coconut shell over that but in the Liana no deal no deal and then the lights like Oh ten the okay no deal all right so now you have to eliminate more aces off the board all right. Let's talk over the opposite. Aaron I'm feeling good about eleven so I feel like we should take eleven off. Yeah that's what I say we should. Our instincts are clearly wrong so yeah. Let's take eleven. Okay all right. Let me let me before you continue. Let me go ahead and reveal that way. You can know if your strategy is working or not. Okay we're going to go ahead and take eleven off aboard. It is the one hundred. Wow and getting off the ones you like Erin okay okay. Now what do I feel good about? I guess they feel good about threes. So maybe we vote off three all right. Let's do it okay. We're voting off three. That is oh my gosh. It's the fifty. Wow Wow okay this is the this is a string of good luck here. Ignore your instincts. Is the moral all right all right? Let's see I'm going point at a number eight and I'm going to go the opposite of that which is five getting rid of five. So do I don't remember. House works on the show. Five hundred how okay. So this is overall a really good round for you guys. Aaron how are you feeling? I'm feeling good. I'm now certain the one dollars seven because that's what we picked right away. That's true but other than that. I feel good okay. Other than that. You feel good all right. So let's go ahead and call up and see what the banker banker calls me. Hold on such a stupid fit all right. We're done with that all right. The bankruptcy called the Bait. No extinction texted me. Did you like the challenge? When you're like. Hey guys we got a text Motorola phone from extinction you could open. And it's like an excel. She liked music video. Yeah okay a great. So the edge of extinction via message in a bottle is prepared to offer you guys. Sixty thousand one hundred and sixty. Nine Fire Tokens ooh slightly higher slightly higher. I don't know I mean we. I feel like at this point I could go down in flames. And and just keep playing keep picking the baskets the briefcase baskets now are. They should've been basket. I should made this little thing. Survivor did not. So let me let me just recap free guys. What's left on the board? So you do. Have the quarter of a million fire tokens. You have the a hundred thousand fire tokens and then you have the ten thousand one thousand ten and one had left on the board. Well that's the thing I wonder if W- because if seven doesn't need to fire token which I totally believe we won't get the opportunity to switch it out until the end so I guess the question is. Do we stop now or do we keep going until we get that opportunity. It's tough it's really tough. I've never really been more nervous in my life than I am in this we could take it and just and then. And then what? What is the rule we get to switch our case out? And maybe make more money. Is that what happens now? So if you take a deal the game is done but if you keep playing the game so next if you if you say no deal you only have to eliminate two cases before you get your next offer okay. That's huge now. Yeah matters but if you do all the way down to the end where there's only to the case that you guys picked and one case on the board you do have the opportunity to swap. Hey says this is. My heart is pounding if only there was lights and dramatic music as well sedimentary conditions. Let's just eliminate two more for the sake. I'll throw your alive exactly. We need a little bit of tinge in our system so slammed on a coconut. Shell no deal. No deal did okay. We're saying no is that are those that music or sound like a motorcycle running down. I don't know Right now you have to pick two more cases so let's go ahead and open up one case off the board. Are we still going to stick with the reverse strategy all defect to you for this first one? Okay it's like. We have a lot of even numbers left on the board for for those against see but we only have one odd number which is one so that one. That one's scares me that odd number. So maybe that I can't remember scares me means that we should this is like the reverse reverse reverse. This is the princess bride. Yeah yeah this is going to drink that let's limit. Let's eliminate one unless you don't want to buy. No let's do it. It's all your call. Oh God okay Yup okay. We are eliminating one off. The Board Dow was the ten thousand fire token K. Is exactly whereas could be worse? He still have the quarter of a million and the one hundred million one hundred million. If I'm only one hundred thousand fire token case left on the board okay so I'm closing my eyes and I'm moving my finger around. This board could sniff frantic faction wherever it lands. I'm going to go the opposite direction. Oh yes e okay all right. I'M GONNA choose case number ten please. He's number ten. Okay let's go ahead and open that one up it is guys. It is the one fire token. Yes the board not in your case. Congratulations that's huge okay. So one from the upper tier and one from the lower eliminated. Yo that's right. Yeah okay so we're getting down to the wire here. There are four total cases in play. Your case may contain a quarter of a million buyers. The other cases are the hundred thousand. One Thousand Fire Tokens or the ten fire tokens. Now I am getting. Oh what what. Oh is this a is this a sound effect? I'm trying to play on my phone. Maybe guys to hear that no. It's the softest phone ring in his pocket. Deep inside of it goes in. My other. Purse always stored as phone backstage. And he's gotTa go get it all right. We are getting a deal from the banker. Now let me tell you. Banker is not happy. You guys that you knock one fire again off the board but the banker is willing to offer you. Eighty seven thousand. Seven hundred and fifty. Three Fire Tokens Up The two of you say deal or no deal now. Let me throw this out there. If you say no deal you only have to eliminate one more case. Wow so what's it. GonNa Be Gang Yale or no deal? I mean. That's a pretty high. Amount of fire tokens a lot of peanut butter. It's like the would be like second place and survivor after taxes exactly. Yeah Yeah third-place money which is like pretty good when you convert assuming it's one token for a dollar. Yeah you'll probably get invited back for another season because you did pretty well unless you were the goat but even then cast made it back so I take maybe just for another option of another all right on. I'm taking the coconut Shell. And I'm eating it which I think means. We're taking the deal or taken the deal. Well congratulations. You both have earned eight hundred. Eighty thousand seven hundred and fifty three. Point Tokens. Which is I? Don't even know how you're going to get that home. Because when Tony was holding sex it seemed to already like a lot of all closed. Own personal belongings. No matter you're just carrying all the Fire Tokens at your carry ons. You're going to have to fill the Boston. Robin Sandra heads. Full of fire tokens ship them back to the United States. Now let's see whether or not you made a good deal in case number seven your case there was one thousand. Fire Tokens. Okay you earned. I guess. Eighty six thousand more fires again that you would have gotten so well done. Congratulations the audience plotting from back. I'm using my fire tokens. I'm taking a one way trip to survivor. Land enjoy enjoy hiding in the trees trees and not watch a fashion show right. That's strictly forbidden and survivor lands. Well well done. I think you guys did much better than any of the survivor's would've done so you know. His you have more fire tokens. So that's how I was going to say. Do you think that any particular people would do? Well for dealer no deal considering how high stakes in nerve racking it is yeah. Tony has to be on dealer no deal. I would make big nerves. I Dunno Tony kind of looks like Howie Mandel. Who could take his place? Yeah yeah that's that's possible also sort of inside baseball comment so the way that I did. The value amounts is essentially. Just take the average of what was left on the board and the fact that sixty nine thousand one hundred sixty nine came up as I kid you not the actual average of what was left made my life and I was like his being cheeky. Legit the average so horny little game. This song came in the Marta. Who would have thought dealer? No deal or Neha game out there. Well as we file away. Our Fire Tokens. I WanNa talk about something. That's a Middle East sort of survivor related but sort of not Because I saw a tweet this morning Liana that you have introduced your sweet booth thing Infra F- Akili to the world of flavor of love. Have you not so I have? I have so. I watched all of the flavor of Love Rock of love. I Love New York. I love money. Daisy of love the weird one with frank the entertainer. Real chance that love. I watched all of those. When they were in their heyday and come to find out the person I want to spend the rest of my life with has never seen a single one. It was time to correct this gross injustice in the world and I made him watch the entire first season of rock of labor of love. Yesterday we watched the whole thing. It was essential laziness. We Ate Pizza. Nice cream and watch flavor of love on the couch. It was amazing. That sounds incredible so before we get into these survivors very thin application of. It doesn't hold up because that aired what initially like two thousand six or something. There is definitely some comments that would one hundred percent. You would be cancelled today but surprisingly you for what I expected. So yeah I would but overall I mean in terms of the drama and the entertainment of it absolutely holds up it is iconic Aaron. Have you have you ever been a fan of those? Vh1 CELEB- reality shows. I would say that I in college watched some of them in sort of a college hayes so I like them but I usually like the ones we'll but people did win this one as reality shows that usually like when people win and lose his head. I mean technically yes. There was a winner but that being said no one except for the audience really won the shows. Everyone's lost I was. I was not an avid watcher. But I did watch and enjoy so that being said I figured out what we could do. Is You know if Liana wants to put on her viking hat once more after her hayes from yesterday and see if we can assign some of flavor of love esque nicknames. Some of the people from this caste for people who don't know flavor Flav for some reason. Maybe it's because he just doesn't remember people's names would lines up. All the girls at the beginning of every flavor of love season talks them for like thirty seconds and then comes up with a nickname just based on whatever might be on where they're from and might be how they look in a random fact about them. Liana. Do you have any Favorite flavor of love nicknames. Over the years ooh okay. That's good so po. Pumpkin not pumpkin. Pumpkin Which again. I don't know exactly why she was called Pumpkin. But that's a pretty good one Let's see so classically you know the woman who is from Georgia is called Georgia. But I think what really stands out? Is that usually there's Z. At the end and Kinda got weirder as the seasons went along. I'm looking at some right now that I really love. I love the season. Two toasty with threes. At the end of that season was my favorite. I think it's spelled pay. I Y Shins as age. I N T Z. There's also is really weird nickname but E. I. E. Y. Apostrophes Z. At the end I also love. I think my favorite though overall it's a simple one might be tree ceases three. There's just a really tall woman who came on that flav dictator tree. It's so good so that being said I would love for us to sort of have our creative juices flow and see if there are any nicknames. We can use to come up with some of these people all under name here. I and he's sort of been top of mind. Hopefully this'll be easy. Do we have a nickname for Tony that we can assign from flavor of Love House? Cue Ball Yeah but it's got to be like Q. Hyphen Mall this episode specific. It's like extortion. But spelled with an axe like torsion. You know yeah or let's see I'm sure there was someone called chains with Z. As I don't know that feels the COP thing change changes that's like Dean from last season. Let's see because usually it's based on like some some like physical attribute I would say is like most of the time because also on I love New York which is a successor is supposed to flavor of love. She also names all of her contestants New York and so they get the you know. Like twelve pack Or like white boy or Mr Boston. Those sort of classic names of I think my favorite was pootie. Dude or Gee we'd there were a lot of t's there was like T. We t-boned team money. I remember there was one guy who is I remember was known for being very well. Hung and his nickname was a wolf. Are Wolf's famously Hong. I met many wolves to know. Great Lake Wasn't like I dunno like Horace. Don't make those. I think the worst thing is that these people try to build like entertainment careers off this like thankfully like frank the entertainer but imagine being like. I'm Greg Wolf Harris. And please give me your cameo money all right. Let's move on here. How about Ben? What's a good thing nickname for Ben Well the first second someone is cowboy. Because that's kind of like. Would it be spelled like the contestant from survivor Cook Islands with the I? Yeah we're about like a bomb. Yeah it could be bomb. He was heroes. Hustler was he. A Hustler was a hero. He was a hero. That doesn't work like UH slurs. Somehow it'd be a great name Ben. Yeah it could be. It also could be like just straight up like Ben bomb. I could see now at Namm. Yeah Grudge. He always says he could be like grudge. Ya and that's a very fitting for Ben. Okay what about what about Sarah Lassina? Should it be like? I don't know like seem or skirt or like about fashion. She's so our so famously. A criminal I mean that was her winning season. So how about how about sneak but like a? Oh Yeah you need the double E. I was also thinking like stripes is with a Z. Right so she's a criminal so you know. She's got our stripes designer now. Oh and she's a designer so it's like a dual meaning because we all know these nicknames. Were so creative. Especially when flavor flav named the twins thing one thing to uniform she can be sneaking stripes or stripes and Snake Tomac name. Yeah Yeah how about Denise what do you think? Denise? It'd be like shorty or something. Yeah you're right or if there's already a shortage shortly to like very uncreative. I like shortly to Maybe she'd be like pint-size or something or no shortage. Ooh The lion. I like that a lot. I was GONNA ask if if flavored you would take advantage of her being a sex therapist and do something I like I like to. I'm just having now. This mental image of Jeff probes colleague on people at Tribal Council calling them by their nicknames was one world with Troy Zan and Tarzan battle. That really did feel like a flavor of little. Bit of drama there too. And it's like I can't believe it he's Tarzan. I'm troy. That bitch stole my nickname. Like one of the first episodes. Oh my God it was so funny and then when when he votes are like when somebody gets voted out. Be Like you know like I'm sorry your time is up and then otherwise you get a clock. That's like you know what time it is. What do you think it would be? Would it be like you did a torch instead? Yeah I guess you would get your tour. Yeah you get your torch and we'll be like shoot. What would be his catchphrase? That is like my like your your. Your life is still burning in the game or something Yeah he's we used to make sure the tribe has spoken is good but it feels almost like more of Jeff conferring this like thing upon you so it's like you're fires burnt out or like your fires still burning or something like that. What about Michelle Fitzgerald? Who might find herself up? One of these dating shows nowadays. What do you think her nickname would be parallel? Let's see what is I mean? Mccown it mechanic. Michelle is iconic. Because she's such a queen so she could just be like Yaas Queen. Jeff probst being like Yaas Queen. How'd you feel about that? I saw you roll your eyes your screen so you roll your eyes. When sneaky strives to said she wanted to vote you out just to confirm grudge. You're playing this idol on Yasser Queen. Yep that's gotta be. Her name is yes when doll. She's definitely yes queen plane. What do we think all right so I'm going to put one? I mean Nick is going to be an interesting one. Right like you could go with Dracula. Yeah Nikola what about like whisper? Because he's always so like just POPs up. What the wind did Sandra say to him at the beginning like you're the newest winner so everyone thinks you're sneaky. Yeah he's sneak to snow sneaky stripes and Sydney key to even get like another sticky to. He's sneaky vampire. I like vampire though but it'd be like but be spelled horribly wrong lake. Let's see Vam No I can't even do it like yeah. No It'd be like V. H. M. Yeah. Why are wise? And they're yeah p. y. r. e. or something like that. Yeah that's good. Do we think that she would nickname Boston. Rob Boston Rob would he be that? Unoriginal? It'd be Boston. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Oh for sure because like sometimes you get like that one person. It's just like they can't think of anything to describe them by so it's like very obvious so Boston rob would obviously at something Boston themed. What about Adam? Client CLIMATE SOLICIT RATIOS. Shorty Watch shot. Saudi want shorting to. I can't remember who I think you'll would be numbers but with my bs three CS professor with busy in there. Somehow the E is a three. Because it's gotta be numbers like the upside down all right. I'll come up with one. Final one here Natalie. Anderson what's Natalie Anderson's flav nickname or? She's a twin. Yeah she's one of. She's winning thing. She could be twenty. Which yeah I totally sear being twenty. But like she's just by herself like she's just twenty like there's no on this season at least other number. There's no number right. Yeah Okay Yeah I think that makes sense now. I don't understand why they're not targeting. Sarah and nick sooner clearly there. Because they're sneaky stripes and sneaky vampire only God yes. They are a pair. Yes that totally makes sense. How high is really cracked? The code here also. I feel like we've really need to institute nicknames on every single show from here on out like I don't care what it is American idol top chef. The voice. Like give me like name. I mean I would like to say like depending on the guest that we have on like we should institute shorthand for everybody week after week. When we're like you know let's talk about the move. That grudge made and whether queen saw has a chance to the end does institute our very own language for everybody. These these are the names. We now decide to call them. Well if if you all out there have any nicknames. I'm sure please send them our way. We are super receptive to them and speaking of submissions. Let's finish off this week on the BNB with how we in every week on the question of the Week. Of course the segment where we send out a question out into the survivor ethos when we get back a bunch of lovely and fund responses from the fans at large last week's question the week when we thought that. Tony had his maximum airtime for the season and talk about being fast and sloppy or than slow and patient. Used to worse to describe any survivor of your choice. And you know we've varied a bit in terms of the number but we stayed in a roundabout range. Let's start with John. John Three words to describe Russell Hands. Terrible Jury Management John. John that's going to get you blocked by Russell. Hands I think yeah. Did you see the thing on twitter with somebody got blocked? And then they lay tweeted out the the people that got more jury votes than Russell. Hands like survivor quotes X. Account where they post a really great account for any survivor fan to follow where they give out a bunch of different quotes from survivor periodically because they got blocked by Russell heads. They proceeded to post every single person. That has more jury votes than Russell. Hansen there ever career like fifty three people. It's amazing I love that Tomas says because Chris Underwood one after coming back from the edge of extinction this describing came in two words as edge Lord Count. The Edge Lord. Yeah let's take one of those. I don't think that means what you think. Danske says two words to describe Rodney three CS or after Tony. Apparently it's cool calm and quiet season A. Q. Or is just quiet. That could also be a nickname. It's quiet but with a C. C. Essay W I remember that's knicks like underhanded. Dick Dave see once they get rid of sneaky vampire. Parker Schindler says Thai Chicken Man. Shane crazy. Uncle ream ream daily and Joe Main. A- A- Tony. I love how I know. That ream dailies name is rimmed daily but also redeeming daily is also rim daily. Never thought I'd say the only name that's also a recommendation rule number one or whatever. It was ream daily. Alright Logan says Nora Salman is healthy and exciting or so much I mean personally. I would've preferred zesty thrown in there because I was personally one of my favorites from when she describes herself If we ever talked about this on the podcast by Leon. I don't know if you've listened to his deep dive Do you know the origin behind that. Finale that confessionals. She had in the finale where she described herself. Because it was your soup question right. It was apparently she said in confessional like I remember this guy asked me preseason about what by was and I described like I'm healthy and lively zesty and they sort of cut out the part where I ask a stupid question. And that's what made the episode by. That's amazing I've never been more proud like this. Parents must feel like when their child Bach. I don't know my my child is soon to walk. So I'll see if it compares to my soup question like sort of offhandedly getting referenced on a survivor Finales. Okay sorry zesty also. It'd be a great nickname if I would be hers and finally the Great Jacobs Weinstein. My two words are for Adam Klein willing to try anything and clever enough to use dashes to get around the two word restriction and yes those were all in dashes smart stay. Listen you've got to push the rules. Push the word count for next week so we saw this extortion advantage so something that we came up with for questioned the week. I want us all to put on our producer hats. Come up with an advantage around something. Illegal like -cribe like the mugging advantage or the embezzlement advantage. Because I'm still so mystified by this idea that I would love to see what other illegal activities code to see. Something are going to be able to show up on survivor reasonably speaking. The door has been blown open now. Guys like crime is apparently legal in Fiji on the survivor islands. As we now know and now WanNa see this taken to the Max I love the international waters that apparently Fiji as and when it comes to extortion Fiji going to have to put out some key essay. Afterthefact talk it's okay to travel to Fiji not be mugged. You will not be dealing with like embezzlement or extortion. We promised I I too. I remember when I was in college a totally random story but I do remember that one of the leaders of like our study abroad program always had this first session to introduce the study abroad program to students but she always treated it like it was like a scared straight program and she was infamously known for like every four sentences or so just emphasizes that we would be robbed like if you go to. This country robbed go to Europe. Robbed Australia robbed. That's what your civic yourself to this is why I she. I guess she wanted to make sure we were there for the right reasons to get robbed. Yeah STRAIGHT TO JAIL. Exactly just putting just turned away as soon as you get off the plane because it's pretty much gone anyway. We'll come up with the hashtag robbed advantage and a bunch of other stuff next week. Send us all your advantage. Ideas that deal with illegalities. You can always email them to us. Rha P. A. B. N. A. B. gmail.com use HASHTAG RHA on social media super excited for next week guests so it's super criminal to lose Sophie. Here I really do feel like she was playing a fantastic game truly a fallen angel next week. I'm very excited to welcome our most recent fallen Angel in survivor. The fourth place finisher from survivor island of the idols. Lauren Beck is going to be joining us next week to repack episode twelve super excited for Lawrence. She's a great personality. She's actually hosting her own Youtube series. That recaps island of the idols. This welcome back a bunch of survivor alumni as well. So I'm sure she has a lot of autumn AC- if there were any more uncut soup confessionals that hit the cutting room floor. Can't wait to hear it so excited for now. Aaron thank you so much for coming on you. Leave these of being be with forty. Plus thousand fire tokens a bunch of nicknames. And hopefully some stuff to take back to your grandmother and then some of our people who want to follow what you may be talking out there on the Internet. How can people follow you on social media and and give us some details about your about your new book about the astonishing life of August marked for People? Who might be interested in it? Yeah my my book is a comedic coming of age novel about a boy who was born and raised in New York. City Theater is published by Harper in early April. We had fun quarantine publishing but it's better. Everything's been going great. It's but it's a fun. Read for these times where you're doing nothing at home anyway. Might as well read. It's Breezy Little Fun Book. And then you can follow me on twitter. I'm Aaron Jackson. Eight five and on instagram garbage. Troll Ga all surprised that was. That was good now right okay. You've broken Mike. Go on this how much. I didn't realize that was just Garvey. All right well. I'm very excited to make sure you check out this novel guys. I've read a little bit and I have especially as a big feeder fed. I have very much enjoyed it. I believe it's available. Also in audiobook format is that right is that is correct. Yes Liana what do you have going on in the past week in podcast land? Okay so first of all before I give my plugs. I I have a request to ask of the listeners. So if you're still listening and if you have a twitter please at tweet at br no at Cohen Brian Underscore. That is Brian. Cohen Co host of the challenge. Podcast he and I are currently feuding and I would appreciate if you tweeted at him to please say that the BNB rules please spell it with a z. So how shock RHA P BNB rules. Which should we give a nickname to Brian? As well as they can use refer to him. Yes we should give him a nickname. Okay what would Brian's nickname let's see so he is a co host. The challenge wrap up. I don't know if that helps inform anything we could call him bonkers. That's where they're currently living this out. Since he loves Johnny Bananas You can call him like plan. Tain or itty-bitty Bananas Okay. Nickname not required. Just tweet tweet at Cohen Brian Underscore. Okay it's Brian. Cowen twitter and just tell them that the BNB rules okay. All that's my request. Even if like five of you do you have made my day so Other than that you can find me on twitter at Liana R. H. A. 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Tea was not in the male prison that archie found himself had a pickup football game. Man Talk about all the nicknames they can have their. Yeah what what. He met mad dogs. That's really one big one. She'd be take out her teeth for him. So if you have game suggestions are like the Great Robbie Biz did with the Tony. Tony quotes game. Absolutely send them our way. We are dame for Dame's of emailed in Tunis Rha P. B. NBA. Or if you have a small idea you can tweet them to us as well. We have our antennas up everywhere to pick up anything everything. I cannot believe. We're only a few weeks removed or approaching the end of this seat and this is coming very quickly down the line Like a fast hurdling trade but considering what just happened I cannot wait to see where we're going from here special. Thanks to Scott saint-pierre for editing all this behind the scenes or head writer Paul. Also send Wolfram America for his fantastic theme song. Aaron Jackson thank you so much again. 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Survivor 40 Know-It-Alls | Winners at War Episode 13 Recap

Rob Has a Podcast

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Survivor 40 Know-It-Alls | Winners at War Episode 13 Recap

"Smarter Guys Rep. Break it down. I'm lale actually. They didn't really win the game at all Savannah State Game. Yes that's right. The survivor dolls are back after a double episode or at least one and a half episodes of survivor in two hour episode. Tonight Stephen Fishbach first of all I want to apologize. I'm running a little bit late. I actually got a little confused because I know that we do this once a week and I was like well. What does that mean? Is that like like eight days. Is that thirteen days. I was ready. I was ready tomorrow. I was going to be ready tomorrow. that was a hilarious segment with. Tony Jeremy Of the week. That was great. A little taste of what goes on on twitter between those two happy to hear. Be here with you Stephen as we sit on the precipice of these -vivor winners at war. The greatest season one week away from finding out who is the ultimate winner. I think it's pretty dangerous to say during the season that it's the greatest season it's like he hasn't even seen here versus villains. Yeah yeah there they said it was Susan before the season started so possible. It's possible this will slip into the top twenty now. It's speed a really great season. It's been a good. It's it's not a top five though not in the top five not even in the top five. No the top five is very rarefied Eretz rarified. Air That's winters. I've okay probably Cagayan. I'm sorry I didn't mean that. So HERE'S VERSUS VILLAINS. Fans favorites in that makes everyone loves season. Thirty one Cambodia. Survivor China's better than this season. I certainly would put survivor token chains. One of the under the David Versus Goliath. And I would put above above certainly Davis Goliath about this season. I mean we're already getting to the lower echelons of the top ten and I honestly I'm not sure I'd I think was probably lands back half of the top ten What what has been the great memorable things that have happened on this well. I don't know if this is what we want to do. A minute into this hour's a small summer and maybe on to rank this season of survivor. Stephen Fishbach can't do that Stephen. Has Everything going by you? Are Things are good? How are you? Yeah very good Pumped UP AFTER TONIGHT'S EPISODE. Weird Structure Will. Get all of that. But I'm actually before we talk about survivor. I just wanted to say we've been talking about this at the end of the shelves but I do want to say just at the top of the show tonight. I'm just really proud of the ROB has a podcast community because that I came into the month of April with a goal to raise money for direct relief dot org to raise to raise money for p. p. e. for doctors nurses and I talked about how over the course of The month vape role that we were going to be taking all of our new patron contributions. We're GONNA be donating those to charity. I was GONNA be making a matching contribution. We also started a fund me as well and I had said last week that I wanted to see that we raised twenty thousand dollars for direct relief dot org and I can tell you at this hour. We have raised over twenty one thousand dollars for. Oh my God. Dot Org is huge. That is ten thousand one hundred twenty four dollars from the hatred pledges which were donated and then my including my matching contribution. That's ten thousand one hundred twenty four dollars and then you guys on our go fund me raise an additional eleven thousand and fifty dollars. So I'm just really proud of been able to accomplish over these last five weeks so really incredible stuff that we've been able to Raise all that money for direct relief dot org over these last five weeks. Even that's incredible rob. It's basically it's it's really. I really appreciate it so much that that the community was Was So moved by what we were trying to do. Really appreciate all the support for a great cause like direct relief dot org getting all that P doctors and nurses over these last five weeks so thanks for your help with that everybody out there listening. All Right Steve. Let's talk about survivor. Big Night Jeremy goes out in the first hour nick in Arab second our. What's the what's terrible? Jared Jeremy. Going out it's terrible. It's terrible would happen. I mean I don't think Jeremy Could've made it to the end. It sure seems like People were committed to taking them out. Boy I was very upset. Yeah Interestingly Jeremy Ends up you know so. Much of Jeremy Story over these last couple of seasons has been jeremy playing advantages for other people people playing advances on Jeremy. This time it was. Michelle's coin flip comes up right but just maybe did not push hard enough for Michelle to play the coin onto this time but she would have gone home at the coin. Flip Ben on on him he would have been safe however then it would be a two split votes on ban two votes on her. That would have been a revote. And the revolts obviously would've gone gone towards her death for definite what does for definition. I mean yes. That's how the I think. So when there's a tie vote right there's a revote and then then that don't don't make it like a stupid question that Notre there's no stupid questions just stupid co host. Oh come on come on well. It was honestly wasn't sure what you're asking. I'm still to that I was. I was asking that if you had already worked out the numbers that on a on a revote if if people like neck or other people on the fence might have voted out. Michelle in that spot over Ben since Ben was also a person who was up for consideration to be voted out in this episode. Tony don't have even considered blindsiding him because of him having an idol and potentially his fire making abilities. Yeah you're absolutely right and I'm sorry I did. I truly. It was not trying to be dismissive. I was literally just asking you what you were asking. Because I wasn't sure if you meant like the mechanics of the game or the way the votes were coming down now. Let's talk about votes so Jeremy would be able to vote. Presumably he's voting for Michelle Cam. Vote in this situation and Ben Cambodian the situation right. That leaves Jeremy Tony Sarah and Nick and we think the we know Jeremy's voting for Ben You Know Nick. We don't know where he's going. We assume Tony and Sarah are probably voting for Michelle here. My guess is Neko's Michelle in that situation because he was part of vote. Split on Jeremy Michelle. It'd be very weird for him to just back back it up and switched sides entirely. Yeah I think that Tony Sarah Denise at the very least I think probably still on an still still. WanNa keep ben around whereas nick might be wanting to keep. Michelle around they at least had a working relationship but Who knows it does? It does seem like I hadn't even thought that in terms of Michelle being the person who gone out on a revote after the coin flip I think so for sure I mean that was again like that was the impression I got right like typically with the split vote. That's the idea if someone placing idle. Then we just stack votes on the other person and my assumption was just that that majority alliance with hang tight and vote. You know down the line down the line for Michelle. What did you think Michelle tossing? The coin is that a legal coin. That was that was not a flip that was not a flip a law. Jeff should've been the one to flip a coin. I'll play like a board game with my kid. And they believe me they do this. It's like they're like all right. I need this number and they just sort of like like just generally like toss the dice like on the side up that they want an exactly like if this is Vegas and this is the crap stable. You gotta hit the back of the board here. Yeah you hold on you. Hold your kids to account. You're saying you're saying Jeff is not holding the survivor contestants to the same standard that you're holding your kids to I mean in the NFL like when it's the coin flip they don't say too though like all right Sam Darnold here you flip the coin. I mean the call it in the air. That's how a coin flip work. That's so Sam. Darnold yeah Like Sam Darnold good for Michelle though good good for Michelle. I don't know she if she practice date. If she knew that they were gonNA be the one to flip the coin Truly that would that should not have counted. I completely agree. But yeah maybe she was razzle-dazzle with like Jeff would be so in the moment. Yeah maybe maybe he was like the moment great nine from. Shell though read night for Michelle. Yeah Yeah Mississauga. Michelle's all nights. I mean yeah. Michelle is in like the the Koran Zone where now don't forget about Michelle your own peril because now sleep on Michelle. Yeah don't sleep on Michelle just locked in one the immunity here at the first of our final sixes and now she's potentially on the upswing. Yeah Yeah I mean what a great fun thing? That was where I mean. Nick effectively eliminated himself from the game. Yeah D- talk that through with me that ultimately he ends up saying he should. He should've used the disadvantage on Michelle. Well I mean it just seemed like you know I mean maybe right. Maybe it's hard. It's hard to say. Nick had the right idea where I really thought that this plan was going to work. I I thought that Ben was going to get voted out. I think that maybe the mistake was not trying to play up enough to ban potentially life. Boy who would be crazy. Enough to play a disadvantage. Like I'm getting so I'm getting real tired of Tony with all his advantages and tricks that he's doing like I felt like that. Maybe he didn't push that button hard enough. I thought he had the right idea. Nick Yeah Yeah it did seem like everyone's attempts at inception tonight. Just did not work at all you ben trying to like create strife between Jeremy and Michelle. That was sort of a starter. Like denise thing was like people were like. Yeah Okay Whatever. Like there was no right. Dissembling didn't work. People are trying hard to be trixie but like these people have played enough. They've seen did you. Did you feel that? Nick did something in particular that led to his own demise in because. I was surprised that it it was nick. It seems well. I mean just the pure causality right like it looked like Ben probably would have won that challenge. Had He not had that major disadvantage I mean who knows right who knows was infinitely confusing or infinite. You know like a butterfly philbin winning would've caused Michelle to go to. That's what I'm that's what that was my read on the episode was that Nick gave the disadvantage to Ben. Ben Looked like he would have won because he was very close even with that disadvantage and had been one. It sure seems like Michelle would've gone on that being said like nick still like the final six slash. Six point five and Nick needs to put himself in a position to win. So like for you know this question that. Michelle asked him at the midpoint of the episode of like how the Hell are we? What are you doing with the end? Yeah Yeah like key needed to do something. 'cause like you know if anything. I think next mistake in this episode I mean based on these two hours being strung together. Maybe it shines more. Have a spotlight on. It was that it seems like that. The decision to vote for Germy and not Ben at that I draw council seemed like it led directly. Do this where benzes. I can't beat Germany but Michelle says yet but now we have no shot to get to the end. Yeah and that really seemed well. That's definitely the case for but I mean it did seem like he really shut the door and all they're all you know. We see very clearly that Ben Sarah and Tony have is an unbreakable solid final three. Maybe that's not as clear to nick. Michelle seems to see it right. We see that Denise and Ben are super tight and therefore like that's kind of the presumptive final four. Yes so getting rid of Jeremy when he could take out ban is like I mean I get to fear of. You can't beat Jeremy Not Be Jeremy but you know having Jeremy there is someone who you can take out later you know. There's only a few votes left but it does seem like he should have kept Jeremy around just to swing votes at different way. I don't know I mean that's it's easy to say now. Having seen the episode we have such a clear perception of where the lines are drawn. They don't have that. Yeah you throughout the two hours. I that Ben was going to be one of two people to go home in this episode especially when we got to the point that the nickname is a really good point about the fire. Making challenge of how we stopping. Ben here what are we doing this? Is Tony Sarah are just on board with like hey would benz getting vote votes where we've got if it's if it's the three of us in the end. I can live with that. Yeah I mean what I didn't get. Was you know how it went back to nick because it looked like and I'm Jay? I want your perspective on this. It looked like nick had talked through it with you know Tony and convinced him that needs to be bent. So twenty. Got To be Ben then. Tony was like no way. Tony does his tree tree. Shack thing and yanks wait. It's gotta be denise and then suddenly it's back to back to nick with like what about the intermediate go. Why did it know? Skip Ben you know. Why didn't they go back and sit? Sit on Ben for a little bit. Yeah I don't know I don't really know what the imminent threat was about that. You heard a lot of negative things from the other players throughout the season. Your ban tonight talking about how it's not working. He's trying to play both sides that people everybody sees what he's doing and then. Sarah said well he's the underdog and that seemed. That was the one piece of information that we got as to say well he could be. Potentially somebody who I ended up being somebody that the jury could rally around. Yeah that's and that's a really compelling point because I thought that was a really smart observation I mean. We started the episode with kind of being dismissive of that aspect of next game right that everyone sees him scheming and and but it is a really compelling point that Sarah makes that like the jury really does root for the person who is opposing the people who vote them out and Tony voted everyone out as Michelle pointed out. Sort of an impossible person to be at this point in the game. Did you think I mean we're sort of jumping around a lot here tonight Did you think that that was that? Sarah was foolish to dismiss that which thing that Michelle came to her and said you know yeah. It was thought that that was a little hasty for Sarah to go back to the group and say can you believe what? Michelle is saying to me Without even like Just like let me sit with that for a second or again. You've played more recently. That I have. Is that the kind of thing where then if she does not go back and report that immediately is it more suspicious. I guess you can't be like Michelle. Said this to me like last week. And you don't WanNa be tarred you know with that that alliance. Don't WanNa be like painted with the perspective of being now like you know potentially dangerous with Michelle but what you know from our perspective. Campy Tony Right like the from what I'm watching mean. I wonder if from Sarah's perspective can be Tony I mean what do you think the game? I'm watching Tony. Seems TO BE WINNING. All these immunity seems to control the majority of the votes in your. Sarah seems to have these really deep deep relationships with people but just in terms of what modern survivors going to reward like. What's your perspective I mean? I think that's our feels like that. She can probably beat Tony at the at the final tribal council. Yes Tony might have. More FLASH AND MORE IMMUNITY WINS. I think that's Arab. Probably feels like hey. I've made deeper bonds with people throughout the course of the game. People like Sophie. People like Kim all these people along the way that I've been with You know from the call to You know even like Adam or Ben. Maybe she feels like that. How many people does Tony have if we have sort of very similar resumes? I have better relationships with people than Tony has. And that's not to say that. Maybe she isn't thinking about like okay. Maybe at the final five nor maybe put Tony into the fire and see what ultimately happens if he somehow doesn't get to the final. Yeah Yeah I agree but it does seem like Sarah has not talked with anybody at any point about. She was in a conversation with Denise and Ben About and that's maybe that's our plan of like hey ago the fire making keep that around four. Ben Ben You know makes the You Know Ben goes into the fire making with Tony Maybe Knocks Tony. Out in that way and it's not really got the Boehner. Yeah I mean I I mean that's such a a high risk play especially with someone coming back from edge. You know do they. I mean is there assumption? That going to be that. That person is coming back into the game with with an idol. Like they have to assume right. Yeah I don't know if they necessarily they just saw the edge of extinction so I think they would have to think that Somebody is coming back with something this time around. They're not giving an idol but they are able to buy one. Because of the Fire Tokens. If it's if it's one of the people that's coming back Potentially with an idol Natalie Tyson. Boston Rob So those are the three of the likeliest choices so. It's not crazy to think the person that's coming back in. We'll have an idol. Yeah and especially like you know we it just depends like what Tyson has told them about. What the dynamics are on the edge. He's really sort of the the key source of their information. I guess is now the time to write a note to the edge close. Denisa has got the last thing off the shelves of the of the advantage man. Let's let's try to talk through the two votes tonight. A little bit in order in terms of the final seven. Vote Jeremy's last stand. Do you feel like that That Jeremy and Michelle had the right approach here. What do you mean by the right approach? The I mean. Do you like ultimately what they tried to do to Get on board with with. We're going after Ben. One last time after they after they had sussed out that Ben was trying to turn the two of them against each other. So so how what? Because that was a little bit. There was a lot that happened there. It seemed like they were going to put all the votes on Nick. Right and then. Nick one immunity and then was there a viable plan to go after denise in that situation? I mean was there did did. There was a some other possibility because I'm actually having trouble remembering now. Like yeah there were. There was a lot. It was sort of a disjointed in terms of where we got like thirty minutes in and we went through that first tribal council and then a very long period of time at Tribal Council of really really drawn out tribal council segment for something that was not seemingly alive tribal. We spent a whole segment at tribal council. Yeah we and it was a lot of talking about like we're talking about like your persona. Yeah there was a lot of like you know the fears of living up to what you know people perceive of you and then there was like some of the trauma and I actually thought that was cool that they got into that. It was very unusual but I thought it was really neat that they talked about how these people go home and then they have like real. There's real trauma from the show in terms of people's Coworkers People's relationships. I thought it was really neat that they kind of address that because I can't really think of another time that they've that they've that they've done that and I was glad at the top of the show about having their no being no big moments in this season but I actually thought that was a really interesting moment in this season. Yeah I I think that this was a weird night for the show in terms of time. I think that originally that this was probably to be a one hour episode and then they had the opportunity to do two hours with this and I'm not sure if they issues Scheduling or the krona buyers ended up like them that opportunity and it seems like that. This is one of the areas that they kind of stretched out. Normally we get much more truncated version of tribal council. Where I think this was probably like a ninety minute episode that they end up stretching out to two hours because they had the time to them. I agree that Tony Jeremy Conversation. About the time of day or week is was was super attenuated. Then there was also the tribal council itself. All the strategy of the episode was really short which I think kind of maybe is a testament to your idea that maybe it was initially supposed to be ninety minute episode or even like a double elimination within within an hour and then you had like obviously extremely padded like final act in terms of like the edge in every site and then like the retrospective which I guess there are also know. There's so much to get to the finale. They're probably cutting putting. I think they probably put a big chunk of stuff into this. But yeah and again not a complaint a because they probably would have been just stuff. We would have never seen you know. I think we just had maybe an expectation like this was going to be like a jam packed two hours and it was a little bit of like more like a ninety minute episodes. They kind kinda got a little stretch. Yeah I completely agree. I mean it was it was it was fun. I really enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun stuff that happened. Like you said like it's unusual to see them talking about things like trauma or like their persona living up to you. Know this idea of themselves or even even Jeff has asked in the past like the question. About like Yo- you're talking to me. You're talking to the audience at home. You're talking to your tribe mates. Isn't that confusing so But they're still. It's still like an interesting to me. That's like the most interesting part of the show. Is the human inside like struggling with all of those different demands of like. How do I reach these three audiences and perform identity? These three different ways So at that final seven vote is WanNa talk through a couple of the other Perspectives that we had from these different players for Tony that he was actually really cool. That you know it. Sarah is the one who says okay. We need to go after nick. We need to get. We need to get ban on board with this and that was a really great Sort of like Djeddai moment with Sarah talking with Dan. Yeah like he's driving the car and then she turns around to the point. Where ben is pitching Tony like. Hey what about nick and you know if you want some follow your lead you want to. I trust you. I trust your gut. So that was that was really fun but then after after. Nick wins that immunity challenge. Did you think the timing was right for Tony to finally take out Germany after he had kept him around for so long? I Tony's concern. There is still really valid right. Which is that you know if we eliminate Jeremy here than we have to contend with the potential of Michelle. Nick Denise Situation Although Denise like the did not seem to be that did not seem to be a real consideration for her. Yeah it was. Denise has been in a weird spot where that? It seemed like that last week she was very much doug in with me. She made a final three with Michelle. And Nick and said Hey. Let's be the final three seemed very dug in with Kim to the point where she did not even want to talk with Jeremy Anymore and I think she addressed that a little bit in this episode where she talked about a couple of times what endure and let that. Yeah which I thought. I don't know if that was the name of the episode is the penultimate. It was Jeremy Jeremy. From the very beginning it was the penultimate battle or saw during like go would have been a good In good Title the title of Denise Biography. What did you think she got the tattoos? No she said she's never gonNA get tattoos. She also she said she's Never GonNa get to but if she does she's GonNa get endure and Laco a full circle moment because denise comes into the survivor universe where she's on the beach with Zane night and she's talking about all of Zan's tattoos and how she can tell chuck his tattoos and so she's her journey is now imitating Zane. Like that's the end point of future. Denise can look at herself as Tattoo of Oh endure and let go. You must have been through a two very powerful experiences that caused you to get those tattoos. Let's say endure and let go so is Zane future denise like is there some sort of transmogrify yes? Zane is future denise. I did like denise one who I will be most curious to hear her end of the game interview because from where she is strategically we have not been presented a coherent portrait at one point in the game. She was like super tight with Jeremy to the point. Playing is over for him than than it seems like. She's completely over Jeremy. Now she's super tight with Ben as you said last week she was super tight with Michelle and nick and that was her her gang making these limited a lot of people as as everybody is like where she actually lies. I don't really have. I mean based on this episode. I would say she's you know tight with with Ben Sarah last episode. I would have said like nick and Michelle. Yeah we did get the see the spy nest pace and dividend. Asa eventually tonight. In regards to denise where Denise has a conversation with Sarah and Ben and says hey we can't be Tony How about this could find like. Let's try this one. Yeah Yeah and it was interesting to that. Tell me why it was. It wasn't an easy it was just Sarah. You think. Put Her foot down. Was like not denise because the narrative we saw it was like Tony went to Sarah for Tony goes to naked and Michelle. Listen I'm going to pitch this ben idea but like if it's definitely this denise idea then we see him talking to Sarah. They're kind of like the cut away from what they're actually saying. So like your guests is that. Sarah was sort of like no. Let's stick with this gang and eliminate Neko's planned. Yeah because I think that if you really think it through okay all right. Denise is a great person to be in the in in the final four with us she's probably not gonNA flip whereas opposed to if you take denise out now nick and. Michelle there pair and now let's say somebody comes back from the say Jeremy comes back from the edge of extinction now all the sudden. Now you're heading into a potential three three at the final six. Who knows if they're going to have some sort of an advantage and think they probably felt like the nieces a safer bet if okay? Let's promise Denise Final Four she's a good person to go to yes she could win an endurance challenge. But it's probably going to be something that's a bit more of a you know Competition in the past. It's been sort of like these Tends to be something where it's just like stand in one place and hold on for dear life. That's niece's challenge that doesn't tend to be with the final four challenge. Yeah I mean now. Well now it's just fire but do you think that there's the final four minutes now it's more like it's more like what Ben Down you know. Some sort of like are we saw basically with A with Nora last season some sort of like was was it similar to. It's like basically like there's something that could topple over not dissimilar from the challenge that they did tonight but the domino I wonder if they part of the thinking around keeping Ben is. He's actually a great shield because there's so much need to get rid of bed in the next two votes Right I wonder if that's at all they're thinking like if we keep banner around like we've someone is you know someone is going to feel the obligation to get rid of him because of his skill fire making in a way that they won't feel that sort of pressure with Tony or Sarah. He's like Jeremy but without the lovable quality. That's where he's going to be a guaranteed win the exactly like he's a huge threat but if he sneaks into the end somehow you don't really have to worry about it. Do you think that that was the cause of some of the friction between Jeremy and Ben is that they were kind of occupying the same slot they were like blocking each other and that person the Meat Shield blocking? I was interesting like someone. Send Me An instagram message. With an idea like why is it? That like Ben. Refuses to talk to Jeremy and it was interesting idea. It was like the idea that Ben knows he super persuadable and he also knows dangerous. Jeremy is so he doesn't want to risk being persuaded by Jeremy. You know Interesting idea. Yeah Yeah I don't know I think that's another big mystery like wide. I get why bend doesn't want to ally with Jeremy but like why. Ben Won't even talk to Jeremy a mystery to me is Jeremy super-sensitive of when on the on the beach. Yeah I found him to be. You know delightfully persuasive Yeah Okay right me. See the so much to over and I don't want to get into the edge stuff yet. Did Nick should have definitely voted for Ben at that trump. Is that fair to say for Ben at at at Jeremy Trouble Count? Yeah Yeah I think so. I mean it looks like it. Well certainly you know the fact that he was immediately eliminated well. Let's let's play it out where Nick doesn't give Ben a disadvantage at the next at the next one and Michelle gets voted out instead right. Let's just say that the happens. Ben Wins Immunity. Michelle gets voted out so the people left in the game are mystery person coming from the edge as well as nick. Tony Benn Sarah and Denise Yeah I mean I guess he's Kinda out of luck there too. It's like what's what's his endgame there. Well if you if you plant the final six okay. So let's say the nick votes for Ben and then he votes with Jeremy and Michelle. Is there any chance denise votes with votes with them also votes against Tony Sarah at the final six? I mean I just hustle hard to say again. Like the whole denise thing is such a mystery does knicks. Does Nick then flip back to put out Jeremy at that. Yeah I mean I think that's the move right at the next tribal council or 'cause 'cause sorry I'm saying in this scenario. Jeremy is still in the game. He doesn't flip at the Germany's not in the game. He doesn't flip at the Ben. Tribal Council he just doesn't give the disadvantage to Ben at the following tribal council so so Michelle goes home instead of him But other than that. It's the same as as it exists. So ben is still in the game not chairman. I wonder if like yeah. I don't know if his position is much improved than than a sticking with the Jeremy Vote. I think you're right at the correct move for Nick would have been would have been voting voting up instead of Jeremy because he could knock out Ben and then knockout Jeremy when he doesn't have the fifty advantage. I mean there was a chance there was a chance that Germany was going to have the idol advantage played on him bear. And you know Michelle goes. Who's nick actual ally? But Nick still in the game will right now. But which are you talking about that? If Nick voted for just voted for Ben. That'd be three votes for bed right. Yeah this is Jerry. You were saying sorry you were saying. There's a chance that Jeremy would be safe and that would be if Jeremy want immunity at at the finals. That's not his challenge. I don't think I don't think that's chairman instead went yeah probably not so the Zilla chance you can go after Germany there and then Amien in that scenario both nick and Michelle and the final five to await whoever comes back from the final from the edge of extinction and then also potentially Denisa Wildcard. So I I think that hindsight being twenty twenty I feel like that. You're not sure why. Nick DIDN'T TAKE OFF. Ben There and that spot. Yeah Yeah. He probably didn't WANNA go against Tony for part of it right like he didn't want to go against that majority alliance he was saying. How do I? He wants to create a situation where he can win in the end again. I think he must have just not had a set. Like we're seeing these confessionals with those three guys saying like. Hey we're the type final three. This is us like we're definitely going to be honest. Like maybe from his perspective. You know because we actually haven't seen naked Jeremy Working together. If you're nick in that final seven spy You want to have as many people who want to work with you left in the game and we do know that Ben and him bending he ever relationship right because like last week we we saw nick say like he wanted to prove his loyalty to ban after voting against him. We know that. Nick is has got a relationship with Tony so like no I get it I get it and I think that Ben was probably he looked at. Ben Is like one of the people that he could beat but just in terms of like engineering like a plan to to get to the end. Like it's not like that. Tony and Sarah GonNa work with him to vote out germy. Potentially at the next vote I mean it's still like another. It's like you're still in the game. And then also the next vote is also teed up as opposed to like Michelle who instantly after trump council like. Yeah all right well now what Nigga? Yeah the Great. You got rid of Jeremy. Now we next yeah and She was right yes she was right so a very you know. I really do enjoy just frustrated. Michelle has a TV great. I loved it. Yeah and I think you know I think people can get so lost in their like infinite Combo solutions that they lose sight of that like we have to be able to make it to the yet like we need to alliance to make it to the you know people like over. Think like well if I do this. Move and then. I'm like slightly better position here and like there's still like actually boils down to quite simple principles like we. We need our group of three to be bigger than their group of to whatever. Michelle goes on to win immunity in the second hour kind of telegraph once. They started telling us about her back being the wall. She's GonNa play her best. You kind of saw this one coming for Michelle. It ends up being a challenge that She actually had done in survivor. Koran but one that Julius Sokolowski ended up being the person who won immunity. I I remember this from that. We did alive note. All's when Debbie got voted out. Oh yeah that was. That was a funny episode for Michelle. Remember Michelle's line was like I can't believe we're putting out Debbie credible it was it was credible that they were not debbie. Yeah the advantage that came up now. This was a little confusing for me in terms of what was happening. Because I that we just saw two weeks ago Steven the extortion disadvantage and so this was like the same thing except it was Tony. Thought he was getting it was. It was a challenge and it was like waiting for Nick was reading it and then I'm like. Oh Nick you you have no idea wait till you get to the bottom. It's like no no you actually get to use this. This is not being played against you. Yeah it wasn't same difference lights like it would have been. You wanted the same. I feel like we saw that. We had that I that I thought that what was happening. It was the exact same setup Tony except there was just not the line and this is being played against and the the the immunity was not a- showed the vote and attend tribal council for was not in contention. This was weak sauce for a thing coming back from. I mean this was the eighth fire token deciding. I mean if Natalie comes back into the game I mean this could have been the decider and this was the final. The final thing. It was like the final. I want it to be something a little more explosive. Like the extortion. One would have been like a cool. Final thing Yeah so nick scramble for the Eighth Fire Tokens for this to just I mean again for Nick. It's like yeah well that smoke if you got them Like fire tokens are expiring. We're going to buy more even more rice by tarp here on day. Thirty six so I get it but it just was a lot of fire tokens for not a lot of Allah. Bang for the buck here. Yeah I completely agree not not a tremendous amount of but you know prices going up price price milk showing up praised up. Yeah let's just stop down here for one second here as now. The fire token portion of survivor. Forty is over. Like what did we learn here? It seems like that if there was any hesitation in the early going of should I spend my one fire token on an idol. Yes no hesitate. Yeah take that the Do you think so. Obviously Jeff has promised to you that edge of extinction will not be immediately returning. Does that mean fire? Tokens are also returning yet. Nope five tokens will be. We'll be back. Jeff was very vocal in the preseason. Fire Tokens are here to stay. Stay yes that fire tokens. I think you're going to be a big part of survivor in the forties. But I do not think that the fire tokens were a wild success in terms of how they were used in season forty. I don't WanNa say that they cannot be a a really fun part of the show but in terms of what they delivered in season forty. I feel like the impact is not much. Yeah I mean my biggest complaint about it I mean I think there there is obviously great upside. To Fire Tokens. We saw in the genius. How much currency can really make a show so fun? My issue is just an airtime issue just like we spent so much time on this and we didn't get to see a lot of the strategy and I felt like I still feel like I just don't know what you know what certain people were doing. How certain votes came to pass like where people's strategic heads were at an instead? I know an intimate detail there considerations about you know. How many tokens to spend on this like magic power you know and I would rather know the strategic stuff or like you know or the survival stuff honestly like for me like I would rather see more survival or more social stuff or more like fun. Personal stuff yeah. I do think that in future seasons future players are going to get the chance to see how this all plays out. I do think that we'll see more stuff. Like hey could like if you put your vote on this person. Could I'll give you a fire token like I think that we'll see more trade and barter and I think that also the other key part of that is that we have to know for the players like a little bit more of like okay. What they're going to be worth of like you'll have like this much of an advance like at the final four immunity challenge. Maybe it's like okay. I know adult and Ross hates advantages in the challenges. But maybe having. The most fire tokens like at the final four. Immunity gives you an advantage in that challenge. Like they need to also. It can't just be a menu of you can buy stuff with this. It also needs to be. There needs to be a reason that I'm collecting these things. And maybe it's like the fire. Like three fire tokens is a final vote at the final tribal council. So if I'm coming into the final the final council with nine fire tokens. Maybe I'm sitting on three votes. Come up with some way. For the fire tokens to have some sort of a conversion to something that is meaningful to me winning the game. I really appreciate that. You just found a way to fundamentally completely destroyed. The show like be able to destroy the show. I'm like you don't think like if people like if people could like essentially a buy votes like literally. The whole premise is like you have to earn the votes. You have to like Bhai extra votes. Have you still have to get votes from the jury? The scavenger hunt leads to more votes. I don't know I'M I. I saw you seem really. I'm not totally I was. You're ready to. I think that's a great. I think that's a great idea. I agree with you. I really do agree with you about there. Has To be more meaning to them. And I also think you're one hundred percent right. That would really hurt. The fire. Tokens Season. Was that these players had like an outsized imagination. Of what the Fire Tokens. We're GONNA mean we had a few people I remember. You will at one point saying like. We don't know what these guys are going to be. They're going to be. It's possible that this is going to turn into an idol. Maybe Wendell said something similar to you know so I think they had this like the no one wanted to use them or spend them or like wheel and deal with them because they had this like thought that these were going to be like magical tools down the line and then what it ends up being like part of a bag of rice so I think you're right that aid to have it actually be more powerful and more meaningful in in in the game and be too you know for the players to have more of a sense of that scope. I think would lead to a lot more fun. They I mean we heard them during the season like. I think it was window that was like we think the fire tokens are going to help you be able to buy an idol later on the season. Now that isn't what happened was that you could. The per people on the edge of extinction could randomly pick you to assign you a punishments or you or give you something to punish somebody else. It really did not turn out to be that you know. Having the Fire Tokens and I mean Nick said. Hey I've been sitting on. Fire Tokens the whole game. I have six fire tokens here on day. Thirty five. Look at me. And then the fire tokens like in a very roundabout indirect way ended up resulting nicotine game. Where he's the punishment onto Ben who ends up as you've pointed out. Michelle winning immunity challenge so the fire did not end up leading to any success for nick either despite having six. Yeah Yeah and exactly. How do they do it in the genius? Rob Is it like the fire. Money right actually. Yeah it's it's Some it's basically like the prize money so the prize money for the show. I don't think you WANNA do that. I don't WanNA think you're like okay. This is a million dollars in fire. Tokens. And then distribute that. And then I don't know. I think that there are some things that you could do like the genius. Where SOMEHOW ALLOCATE? Where the The fire tokens of the player. Voted out are not bequeath by the player but are sort of like okay distributed. Here's the bounty of and you guys. Oh for that. Oh that's fun so I think that that's that's interesting in terms of in terms of that or the person who wins the next immunity challenge. Wins the fire tokens from the player. So I think you could use some stuff like that with the fire tokens but do think that there needs to be some way for the fire tokens that I've collected during the game. That for them to have some value for me to help me with winning the game when I get to the end of the game. Here's the reason I didn't love. The idea of the effect affecting jury goes. I feel like I was having trouble articulating this but I feel issue. You know one of the problems that I think. A lot of fans felt about survivor in the last couple of years is that it's making a lot of format changes that bias. One type of player right. It's like a type of player who has a much more physical player. He's got the fire making challenge You know where you've got a lot more advantages you know. So it's it's more of a scavenger hunt player and it is sort of like dialed back on the social element of the game. Which used to be kind of like the core of of how you played survivor and I feel like if you removed or if you minimize the jury and made it more like token advantage centric then suddenly like that's just like even further skewing that you know because the jury has until now been something of an equaliser where it's like that one person who you know the Ben. Right who's amazing finding idols and things like can't you know well? In Fact Ben did win. But some cruel sparrow. Yeah would I would respond to that is I. I definitely understand what you're saying. I'm just trying to improve the terrific. Brexit Tokens. They're all they're already here. I'm trying to improve them in terms of making them a fair game. And the the tokens is also supposed to be social currency. I think that that was sort of like it was like a manifestation of social currency so it wouldn't be necessarily like. Hey I found. A fire tokens like in the Bush. Or that I've negotiated and wheeled and dealed. So I'm sitting on a stockpile of fire tokens. They should mean something in terms of helping me win the game. Yeah I ord have. Maybe I don't necessarily agree with with the final conclusion there but I do agree that they need some sort of more of a more meaningful in a way. 'cause like no one is the auction known is going to spend it on a tarp right now. He's GonNa by the time Right okay let's talk a little bit about the people on the edge of extinction long segment at the end of the episode where we saw. Everybody Getting Ready. What they're buying what they're doing Any surprises there from the edge of extinction in the no not least hilarious. You know we have to talk about that. The fact that sure on the one hand. It's an incredible testament to her ability to endure speaking of enduring like. Oh let go of her immediate loss and endure this grueling experience to really master the edge of extinction. Tyson had a very funny quote about how she's like. You don't know where like Natalie ends in the island begins And you know really she. We really saw her work for everyone of these fire Tokens. That's now given her. Limitless superpowers like multiple advantages in the challenge. An idol another idol for Tyson and a jar of peanut butter. But the fact is like a lot of the reason that she was able to acquire. All this stuff was that she was. I voted out and someone like nick who was just voted out. Doesn't have a shot like he can't get all that cool stuff for the challenge because he really did well in the game of survivor. Yeah where do you come down this rob? No I definitely understand the point and this was like really well laid out by people like Dalton Ross at the point where you know. The first person came back from the edge of extinction. But I think it's a little bit insulting to say that. Oh it's just not fair Natalie. Has Fourteen fire tokens because she has been there since? Stay three but amber who got there the day after has none and Danny Bow Right? I'm not sure if she has any. Ethan is not. Have any fire tokens. So it's not just that like oh well Natalie. Had the most time to collect the fire token she also like really busted her there so while yes that she is. She had the opportunity to succeed because of the time she was there. As opposed to nick. Who just gets there and has almost no chance in the challenge to get back in. I don't WanNA discredit Natalie. Either and we saw her busting her butt right. We saw her. I mean you know there's two. There's two types of challenge one where her knowledge of the island was an enormous benefit right the challenge tonight where she she knew. Exactly what was being talked about? You know did came. No which thrown was being talked about. No in like Wendell knew it was like one of two places and he chose the wrong one and so in that way I do feel like she had kind of an edge because of of having been there for so long but then you saw her also like kill it in In the coconut gathering challenge or the the would the would the would retrieving thing So it did seem like it was a combination of just a knowledge she had and the effort put in. You don't WanNa take away from her and her incredible effort. Nothing Fair survivors. Air as they say the edge of extinction is almost like the ultimate cross fit box. Exactly yeah yeah some people with funky socks of Natalie. Interestingly I WANNA get your reaction to this She bought an idol. Taisei which I was surprised by that. We never really saw any sort of relationship between Natalie and Tyson on the edge. Also Jeremy Is there You would think that if anything Natalie would buy something for for Jeremy if he got back into the game. Where did that come from? Maybe she sent me a Tyson's amazing and hilarious and like maybe they bonded 'cause they did spend a ton of time they're together so like you know people who meet. Tyson Love Tyson. And it's crazy to me like they. As both like funny endurance. Athletes would have like some bond both in there like sense of humor and in their extreme physical prowess but be know. Maybe she feels like Tyson is the likeliest person to get back into the game. You Know Tyson got back in previously. Maybe she wants to be someone from the edge for her to kind of you know. Have some part in that. I feel like I honestly like looking at that challenge. But not wager on Jeremy. You know like he's not like an epic challenge beasts. Like if you look at the people who are there like I would put my money on Natalie Tyson to be honest so I mean you know it's interesting. We never saw the end of a Tyson's peanut butter. Is it possible? Do you think that he left his original jar of peanut butter to Natalie? This is some sort of like peanut butter payback. I also. She was eating peanut butter. She was feeding Tyson. Do you think that this is a bond over the peanut butter? I mean maybe the shared love of peanut butter because it looked like Natalie started with a pretty full jar and I'm guessing that Tyson did not leave a very full jar peanut butter But he bought it and then went back into the game a couple of days after you think it's the same jar refilled with butter. No no I think that when he went back into the game I wonder I if he left like gave a heads up to Natalie about where she could find it. Yeah it could be so. I don't know seems like she does like she owed him one. Yeah I'm trying to figure out how I just think he was probably like a bond in like you know like she thought he had the best shot. Okay all right you know. Maybe there was a little bit of a quid pro. Quo Like Hey. This is one hundred thousand dollars of immunity idol Maybe and then we up having the very long montage to end the show tonight of the recap like. I just think that this was something that they put together where it was. I don't know how they're going to stack the finale but this seems like the kind of thing that would have opened next week shell that ended up tacking on here. I was happy with that. Like the finale is always so arrived. Yeah like let's just have it here and then like next week we can get into like the fun stuff. Yeah are you looking forward to the zoom finale? Yeah I am. It'll be as historic as the as the rosie finale. So you know. It's such a a change in format from the typical survivor finale. 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Okay all right Stephen. Let's hear what does Sheldon Sheldon to? I don't understand why Natalie didn't just by more idols for herself and completely -Tro- control the game by forcing an advantage getting also shouldn't she want to idols? Not just for F. Six five but also in case another noah fires in the Game Sheldon only have one sheldon is. That right was limit on the idol. She the why could she buy it for Tyson? She can only a she can only bring one idol into the game is this what did they say that okay? That was the reason I think she would`ve. She would've bought all idols. Then also just gone to final four but they said in the rules that nobody thought of that. Of what if somebody had somebody fire tokens that they buy all the idols? And then they just go right to the end of the game unfortunately She was not allowed to do that. Yeah so I guess we should say now we Anderson Pencil her in for the final five If she then I mean that would be I mean. Maybe she'll try to take the gamble right didn't Chris. Christie gamble right one of his Votes and did not use not use away and Mike. Right about that. Yeah final that. I don't know if I said at the top of the show it's like the PG law tomorrow. Chris Underwood on Friday. He's the guy to talk to. Yeah he's the guy to talk to. Mike Bloom this weekend. So we'll we'll find out but Natalie Anderson she makes it back in or Tyson go go directly to the final five. Yeah I really do wonder if someone returning from the edge can win this game after the huge backlog the I guess we didn't think someone from the edge could win at all and again I think they can. Yes I think they can either way like so. I think it would be disappointing because Tony and Sarah. They've played you know really great games. But if they're up against the right people. I certainly think they would have the momentum. I think that would be frustrating. Is Let's say it's like Tony Sarah and somebody from the edge and the person from the edge and say it's Natalie Tony Sarah Natalie. Okay we've dominate. It's not like Okay Gavin and Julie. With with all due respect you know these are two people that completely dominated the game especially the post merge game against somebody who was not on the show the entire time except on the edge of extinction and the jury says we vote for you edge of extinction person because you are friend like I think at some point the edge of extinction result was like a little bit like that. The people on the jury said yes well. We we bonded with Chris but he bawled out when into the game. He made the big move. Whereas you know especially like if you know Natalie comes back and ultimately plays an Neidl wins. Two challenges gets to the end and then collects all the votes and they Wins the game because they just couldn't beat her in a child. Yeah I mean I also think that there's a good you know that these players and especially because the returning players and also because they're just who they are like I think a like maybe the backlash to thirty eight would really heavy on them and be. I remember in Cambodia. Jeremy was such a huge proponent of like having like a big player win you know because they felt like they owed it to the franchise for like a real big player to win the game and I. I bet that I bet that there is some of that feeling here that like they really want and and maybe that is a person who comes back from the edge if they have that stellar and but my guess would be that they would be maybe biased against that more. Even the new players were Yeah we'll see we'll see how it factors in. Okay all right. Let's take another question. This is from phase on who says how much of a role would tree winners at war. Winning game legacies have if any versus performance this season alone at the final tribal. Well I mean I think that would that would. That would come up if it was like. Okay say Tony perhaps like played like really under the radar game. Didn't do anything this game where it's just like sort of like Like the Tony we saw in the pre merge basically SKATED BY THE END. I think then that would be a valid question. I mean whose reputation in coming into this game is radically different from what they've done in this game. Although I do think like people like Michelle had this feeling of like no one values my win like maybe they still don't value that way and you know she's played as good a game. And maybe not as Tony Sarah but like she certainly I mean she's been on the votes but she's played a big game. She's had a decisive role. In a lot of a lot of a lot of parts of the season you know and she right that that Swat Swat screwed and I can imagine someone still kind of like seeing her with a like. Oh I don't really think of you as that strategic you know like I can imagine that kind of bias seeping into people's perceptions of someone like Michelle. Yeah I don't know I feel like that people who discredit a her victory in Koran are are wrong to do that but I feel like that if you look at through the proper Lens. I don't think this game that she's playing. This season is super different from the winning strategy. She used in Koran. Yeah look I just. I just think that you know people. People's perceptions of each other is always going to are always going to play a role in like every aspect of their relationships and. I don't think that anyone will fully be able to like leave that behind. Yeah I think the people that we were talking about in in this regard. We're really like Tony before. He came out of his Shell. Kim a throughout most of this game where she played like a much different game than she was able to play in her. Winning season insert ever one world and Jeremy Really was playing from the bottom of throughout most of this game as opposed to where he was in Cambodia. Although at the bottom at times Really was like playing from behind most of the season so his game was going to be kind of different. I don't think there's anybody who is a radically different spot. Yeah Yeah I guess that's right. I do think though that like you know to to the question you know. How much of their positions are based on their perceptions? Like so much of the season was based on this sort of you know Lions versus Hyenas Dichotomy. And that was entirely right based on people's like pre-game perceptions. You know it wasn't like so I think you know I do think those perceptions have seeped into this game and a really essential way. Okay all right. Let's take another question. What does Brendan Fitzpatrick after? Oh great band of Brendan Fitzpatrick. Compare Tony at the final five or six now with the Tony at the final five six in on is it now a warning side that we think he could win this now as opposed to how we felt around here in Guyana. What do you think rob? So Tony had the final five in. I'm trying to think of. Let's just stick with the final five. That's when votes out. Trish to put her on the jury It's ultimately be vote for him. I feel like that way Tony like I felt like the Tony had a good shot to get to the end. I'm not sure if we knew. If it was GONNA be a final two at that point. I think we might have suspected but with the final five being Tony. Woo Trish Spencer and casts. I think we've probably felt like that. Tony had a pretty good shot to get to the end. Just probably didn't think that he was going to win. Yeah and how do you feel now? Do you feel equivalent early. I mean I feel like that with being a final three. I do feel like Tony's gotta be way on the odds on favorite to win this thing. I think that a lot of us thought that Spencer was probably the favorite going into the coggin finale. Yeah so does that mean. Because Tony's favorite now in that was the favourite then that Tony won't win. It's possible but that was like a big blindside in terms of like one of the few times that we've been so wrong on a season. Oh yeah even at the final tribal. I thought there was chance who was GONNA win. I was writing my blog and I was like texting people from the season hoping that they will give me an answer because I get the blog out. Yeah yeah it was wild night? Okay all right. Lydia wants to know when survivor start having arts and crafts segment. Was there always this much painting and they also were painting. They're like mugs. That can't be safe. I thought those were like mugs or something but they drinking out of those after they paint them. It's not it's not like free. No I don't think so. I don't think that safe do not do drink out of the Mug you're painting it's a more arts and crafts that are going on at my house. Like Constant Okay Laura Hart lower castes or wants to know. Hey Robin Steven. Do you think Sarah and Tony have packed to split the two million if they both make it to final three. It seems like they're both risking a lot for each other's games I do not believe that. They have a packed. I I believe that that is Not Allowed if not at strongly frowned upon but Stephen in this day and age. They really checking exactly are they. Looking into your auditing you like I mean. Do you think that anybody who like Like if you know if Tommy and decay chill and we're like hey let's get to the end together. Let's split the money as anybody. Auditing those guys. Maybe they hired chain bright to be the auditor for all Priya frolic deals. They used to like really look into that stuff. I you could get away with it now. I'm just saying we are. I doubt but like who's going to also who's GonNa hold you respond? If one of them wins like that they can't force the other person to give them two million. Cg thing like who's saying that. I'm saying though like even if you agree to it you know you can pull a dreams here like you. Do not have to honor that deal. Yeah so I don't know if that's something that's something people can contri- future season. Yeah I don't know I mean. Do you know if it is Tony Versus Sarah. Who's WHO's taking on the million rob I mean. I think it's probably Tony. But I it's hard to separate the edit from the from the case. I made the argument that Sarah has the song the stronger social connections with people. But we also see things like Boston. Rob saying like. Oh Tony such a boss. I feel like that. The jury scenes very convinced that. Tony is the guy to be. Is the the winner of this season? The great are they. Are they officially the best? I think we'd have to wait until next week but I think that those are going to be some like. I don't know if you waste all my podcasting jet fuel. I think there's a strong case the that that they are. I mean that's the hypothetically. Let's just talk this through okay if Tony goes on to be the two-time winner. This is very impressive. I mean th that is a legacy that is very hard to argue it. Tony's game this season has been spectacular like regardless of what happens The fact that he has won all of these immunities yes but run like basically strategic circles. He control controlled every single vote. I mean it seemed like tonight today he deferred to Sarah. Sarah's also played an amazing game the two of them together have just all people who've won the game previously and honestly. I think that that's actually a good point in terms of the strength of Tony where I think that if Tony does go on to win this game I think that that will be sort of like the knee jerk reaction. Tony Greatest of all time. I do think that Tony did have a big advantage in this season in being with Sarah and I think that you you can speak to this probably as well as anybody but having somebody aware that has your back the entire game which you can trust is the ultimate advantage. And we've seen so much success on on survivor from the players that find that one person that they can trust fully and Tony did screw her over with Sophie Vote. No doubt they were able to work past that and to have that bond with somebody where even be able to joke about. Oh you screw you now. I do think that having Sarah was a further two of them was a huge huge advantage. And for the other players to be worried about Jeremy and Natalie and Robin Amber and Tyson and rob and all these other connections and not be at all concerned about Tony and Sarah is incredulous. Does that make it actually? So so that is interesting right. And that that does go into pre-game perceptions and personae does that. Make it less like you are the because like rob but it's like yes. Whoever wins the season outlasted Boston but Boston? I've never had a chance in this season. You know do they become like like you're saying like no one was gunning for and Sarah and the way that they were gunning for Tyson and Kim like those pre game and I. I'm not trying to think of anything from the incredible game. Tony and Sarah playing because I just I just think on the merits of their game is probably one of the best games we've ever seen by. You know the fact of having you know a little bit of of an. I'm not Tony. Tony Tony was the only person I've said this before in this survivor pool like nobody took answers like thirty or forty people in this pool. No town I'm pretty sure that it was Akiva alley last year and the loom. Pretty sure he went twentieth at twenty so that either the perception of Tony was solo game. Changers where nobody took him seriously like God. They expected okay. Is this going to be just the clown show coming back tonight or coming back the season where we don't take him seriously. He also did an incredible job of minimizing his threat level. And we have to find out from the people that were on that original decal tribe. How much we heard Sophie talk about? Okay well Tony and Sarah and Sandra sort of like the gritty three. The people that were on game changes the other. They were looked at like a block. It's a start the season but why weren't they considered a little bit more of a threat to from the jump? Yeah Yeah I wear Netra. Well you know I I actually. I experienced something like this where I was on. Obviously Cambodia with a lot of people from on and you know out of the gate we were like. Oh my God. There's four people from Colorado and we have to get rid of them like they're obviously going to be in it together and then as the game goes on you kind of forget about it. You're like Oh that's old news like we're in this like we're self enclosed thing like relationships and dynamics that are happening here are much more important like you're not. GonNa let some friendship. You had from four years ago affect your your game moves now and then at the end the curtain was pulled back and like yes like Spencer and Tasha were collaborating the whole time. Like of course. How stupid of us to miss that. How stupid of me to miss that. And it's like one of my biggest regrets so stupid of me so but I do think that probably is affecting the players. Now you just get like. You're so focused on the game. That's in front of you. You're so focused on the on the relationships that you're building that you even even if you go into the knowing that it's a real threat and you just lose sight of it Yeah I look we so people even the middle of the game Jeremy couple of weeks ago sister. Tony like hey. We need to split up Sarah and Sophie. Yeah right exactly and then Sarah and then that was what what prompted Tony to be like. Oh Heck No. Hey here's a question for you rob. Last week the plan was to get Tony and then Tony one immunity. Why was the plan not to get Tony this week? Especially when the end night all of that especially I council when for You know for Jeremy and Michelle they could have potentially put their votes on Tony. Hey instead of blindsiding band who has an idol like nick? Why don't we vote from? Why don't we Tony this week? Even ben was on the plan last week although Ben Obviously was the one who sort of blab about it afterwards. Yeah and it's like okay. Well Nick you're so worried about I'll how how am I gonNA be Jeremy. How are you going to be Tony so yet a shot at Tony? Yeah I mean. I do think that Tony was definitely helped. By having a or He kept Jeremy in the game and I think that was has been a huge strategic. You know a great move of his because it's so much energy and focus on Jeremy for weeks on end. Yeah okay. Let's take a few more questions here tonight about this one. This is from frank after three immunity wins and not wanting these last two. How come no one loves? The game has considered going after Tony. Steven you're reading. So what about the final six? Why why not any talk about voting out Tony in that spot? That's what I'm wondering for Frank. You and I are instinct on this. Yes so we talked about the final. The final seven. Vote the final six. What does that look like? Take out to vote for Tony. So that would be namic. Shell make him play his idol. Yeah I mean honestly the fat I mean like you said you know. We saw denise make tight final. Three deal with Nick and Michelle last week and this week she was voting. Make out so who knows Yeah Yeah it's tough I'm trying to think of You know what the what would it look like a for? I mean I mean if you're if you're nick and Michelle and I'm sure that the seal the conversations but for but for bannon denise like why not go with Nick and Michelle here at the. Let's vote out. Sarah. Let's Tony. Yeah Yeah I agree. I agree those I mean. They both have better resumes than Denise and Ben. Does maybe Ben Things you know what? What does what Ben's perspective here like? Did he can beat me bands like I just need to get to the final three like. I'm not GonNa win this anyway. Maybe he's like doing the Troy Zan or he's laying out just just happened to be here. Yeah and maybe Sarah Tony. Talk it through with them. It's like hey sure you vote one of us out now but then you know. Somebody's GonNa come back from the edge. They're going to go with Nick and Michelle. You're going to be an you know we'll be a you know we'll be having a go with a three. The final six may be but you know at some point you know you gotta knock some of these people out. Yeah I I. It's it's yeah. It's a tough one. Okay all right a couple more questions here tonight. Read does denise being the only one left without a categorical type. Thrust upon her from the last time help her. She's not labeled. Beauty Braun Hero David. She's just denise Is that the problem Stephen. She didn't have a categorical label from her. First season at probably helps. Sir You know I mean it's like it is like you know what box do you. I feel like everyone is like everyone is on the one hand. They're being like. Yeah Denise did all these crazy huge things and they're also kind of like not completely discounting the same time survivor. Indoor versus lecco people. I gotta I gotTa Tell Ya. Bodyman of the word endure the full are the embodiment of the love. The phrase. Let's go let go like. Oh Are you. Do you want to be in the endure? The go try I think I'm more of an indoor than Lecco but you better. Who Do you WanNa be with with the endures? They're all enduring. Like you WanNa be with like the everyone who's letting you go and then you can be the one who endures. I'm a podcast here of my life. I endure the slings arrows of podcasting about a twenty year. Old Reality Show. I am the personification of the word endure. Wow that's I got. I got chills. I can see montage Yeah like I'm scared. I'm Stephen Fishbach out of the corporate rat race hi I'm the embodiment of let go. I did like Oh yeah. That's been great. Would you if you go back? Are you going to do like a rock? Microphone like Shane and his as like Rockwell. I'll be so hated. Hated either way. You're going to be hated if I don't do. That will be either way. Yeah by the other people or the people that are envious envious. I definitely think the other contestants would hate me but the people at home are GonNa hate me. Also you're going to be loved. You're you're you're like everyone's most beloved you know I think yeah. You were just ranked the most influential survivor person by the Purple Rock podcast. That I think they've said that was a forty people that I that that was a ranking. Why assumed you were number. I just assumed the first a from from what I was able to follow. I think it was an unranked which is on arbitrary and unproductive raw character. Yeah all right. Deep Patrick Lopez looking forward to hearing Mat Hoffman's ten minutes of the episode. Look look we can't. We shouldn't complain. We shouldn't complain that they was happy. Get out of the way more finale. For next week you know everyone complains. About how rush? The finale is and then when they put the finale stuff at this week you know now you're complaining people. Complain me your foremost among them but yeah no look I. I made a joke on twitter about it. But we shouldn't complain. This easily. Could have been to tribal councils in one hour and we got two hours out of this and so they put some filler in there. It's fine every one of them. Do you think you were specifically cast in order to give that like stirring endorsement of the fire tokens so in the trailer for the season. He says the line. Which like ten million read pose of? You'll saying fire tokens will add a new layer of duplicity to the season God forbid there's a reddit thread about An episode of this Shell but we had ten thousand breads for that one you line and then we get your talking about the fire tokens. And then he doesn't even say duplicity really that's funny. So duplicity was edited. That's so funny. I didn't even. I did not catch that. So that was like edited in complex aired in the show he said complexity though he D- difference it. It added more complexity but the city is the meme. Wow that's wild. So did he dubbed over. Is it like the pre-game is cutting room floor reported in the trailer? That's really funny. Did he say it. Did you think he had to do a number of versions of the take where they're like? Okay now say it adds a new layer He said Duplicity Duplicity was at his tribal and they dubbed over what he said. Maybe he's four. Maybe like ten versions what what else adds a new layer of sincerity to the game. Did know if he did not. To this season in fact it was the opposite of well. People were collaborating. By sharing token there was no duplicity. But if I also everyone knew. Who HAD FIRE TOKENS? There was no mystery over. Who had? How many and if there was complexity that buying advantages for the return challenge was not it? Yeah this is very straightforward. It was very straightforward. It was not a new level of complexity but maybe will okay. Well all right. Dominic says the Denise Channel Her they night why strategy pay off. I will say Oh. I didn't even think about that. It wasn't just the tattoos. Yeah it was also the. I'm GonNa wait night. This was all about day-night Malcolm had a great day night story when I talked to him about that that I asked Malcolm if he could tell me anything of life funds they night stories and he said that basically when Zane was running around the island that Malcolm was trying to get a read from him and Zane night like Said to him like would man with this tattoo like pointing to Frankenstein. Lie To you outcome was like I. I really don't know like night. Okay we should. We should say night onto recap episode. That would be great. That'd be great. I love him. Okay finale all right there we go see So much going on on rob as the podcast. Purple Pants podcasts. The talk of the town. Is that bryce? Isaiah might be making an appearance on the mother ship. The ship this week for that purpose. Podcast from this past episode Alexis. Maxwell joined a bryce unlike halfway through it. Checkout the latest Purple Pants podcast plus the survivor power. Rankings with Mala Gory. 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You know you said there no stupid questions or I say as no stupid questions but a stupid co host and I thought you know I came in with a headache and I was like I thought we were bantering and I was trying to keep it going but I felt like it hurt your feelings. It was not listen. Listen that we we uh look. I go on twitter that I can't my my feelings can't be heard off but this is a very very delicate line where we like hassle each other ambassador but it can get you know if anyone if someone's feelings get hurt you know I it was totally unintentional and I really fine. I thought that I thought you were coming in hot. I looked listen. I look to you ought to explain some of these some of these things that you come in and you have a real understanding. I have to watch these shows multiple times to be able to figure out what's going on so I just like. Hopefully you can have a little more patience with me in the future Ono but I defer to your expertise. I think like you know you know. I feel like you know things much better than I do. I well maybe maybe I think that you pick things up quicker but may be forget them sooner. Yeah I suppose I have to talk about them all week long. I'm like a sieve flows through me. You you get it quicker but then who's a quicker and takes me more like maybe two viewings before I before I have it all down. Okay well it's so much fun and one of the real pleasures of this season has been hashing it out with you people. Text me all the time. I have no idea what's going on with the seasons strategy. I have no idea where vote was and I feel like we. There have been many episodes this season where I have zero clue what happened and then just talking it through with you have been able to okay. That makes sense. It's really kind of clarity so I feel like one. Great thing about this podcast. Is that where we figured out? Together we were. We were back episode. Okay Stephen Today. It was announced that survivor was renewed for season. Forty film it. Air It though. Yeah I mean. We'll see them delighted. I'm very happy. There's no question that survivors got the timeslot. If they can film it show right if they could fill Michelle Do you have any thoughts on that in terms of like Josh and I were talking about the possibilities of and this was just rampant speculation after we heard anything of the potentially a could survivor film a season in the continental United States. Do you think that like where that look? We know like in terms of like talking about like bringing sports back. Okay well we know what the perfect situation to get back to normal is going to be and it doesn't look like we're going to be able to do that do you think. There's any sort of compromise that could be had in terms of like. Hey could we get out on a ranch? Somewhere and film and film of survivor season to get ready for the show being on sometime later in two thousand twenty I mean I do think that would be a real buzzkill for a lot of people but maybe not so much of a buzzkill. As he's the buzzkill network was going to say more that would be. It would be better to have some season. I actually been thinking about this a lot. Because they don't jump around locations anymore like they used to so. It's not like it has to be on. It's not like they're going to like new remote fascinating places. Basically on the same beaches every single season the other thing is like there are elements of like five yrs like mythos that are becoming like slightly outdated like when they go and visit the villages and like the children. Those are always like deeply moving moments. But there's a little bit of like an exoticism about them. That's like I feel like it's not gonNA aid very well in the near future like it's awesome. It's always like an incredibly moving heartwarming moment. But there's there's I mean I wonder like how well that will continue to have and it hasn't happened in a while. When when was the last time they visited a village so like I do wonder you know if that would. I mean how much it would really lose from doing survivor Hawaii. Yeah well I don't even know about how Hawaii in terms of the and might be might be tricky to get people to to Hawaii But what about the hear me out here? What about some sort of like a survivor? Old West okay. Some sort of a film somewhere somewhere in the southwest of westworld asked like what do you think imagine like like instead of building like shelter but like of a tent survivor in the old West. I mean listen. Token chains. Brazil was very much that environment. It was like a dust dust heap so you know the by a river you could really like much like. Pearl Islands. I think creatively I really like open. The doors to like a lot of like Like frontier type like survival elements and sort of like Like the idea of sort of pioneers like cowboy type theme. You don't like crazy. I don't know I mean I actually. It could be really cool like the Pearl was where this really cool with like the pirate stuff like I could be so corny. Though you know I it just like you know I mean. There's there's such a high risk of what is the risk. Is it a crazier theme than Ghost island or heroes versus healers versus Hustler if you like? If survivor is like hey. We really want to like get a season on the air for later this year. You know could they could they? Could THEY PHILPS. I would watch. Yeah I mean you know. Just a podcast about it really. Even if know twenty one days you know Like is there. Is there a version of survivor? Like that does not have to be the perfect pristine thirty. Nine Days in Fiji that we've come to expect. Now let me let me counter with another idea where you and I have been somewhere very bleak together. Hard to navigate wide. Open expanses What about survivor of the CBS lot? You know that could be an interesting. You know in the in the parking live. Big Open spaces Dodging cars comes part of that show and it's called big brother Which is literally filmed the CBS lot? So I do think that big brother is gonNA be You know I no. There's been no talk about when big brother could come back but I do think that maybe survivor is thinking outside. The box about some of these things. Big Brother has got to be the safest place to be a house with. No one comes or goes really big brother. It's the production. It's a you know how do you? How do you keep the crew members Safe like in terms of like it's close quarters and there's a lot of people like working on like an art department and stuff like that so Once you could figure out how to keep those people protected that's why the big brother. Canada ended up getting shut down. It wasn't the people in the house. It was the people who worked on the production. Okay all right Steven People ask for a fishy. Oh Nonni Tony Tony. Know who else shall maybe? But she didn't like. She won immunity. She wasn't able to get her way. Strategically Uh Tony. The fishy four the second hour for the first okay. I agree to so I our definitely it was Tony Right. It was his his move. I mean I guess for the Second Hour. It would be main denise for her like playacting. It didn't really change very much. Did it did that have an impact? That's what I didn't get like. What was the media setting up deal for the final for the final three? She didn't get voted out all right. So she's playing dead as a way of minimizing the target on her. Because no one's GonNa the could see denise. I also think Sarah would be you know. We didn't actually see that conversation between Tony and Sarah but it really did seem like Sarah was the decisive voice in nicoting voted out. But I would be good with denise I mean I I think the nieces a good one okay all right Steven one week from tonight we will be live at eleven fifteen pm Eastern. You glad you live on the West Coast Eight fifteen. Em Pacific to break down three hours of survivor. Zoom finale and much more so beyond the lookout for that next Wednesday night. Of course follow Stephen Fishbach on twitter. Anything else even now. No I just it has I again. I also want to apologize to this. Started episode very down on this calling it. The greatest ever was a little bit much. You know like little. Let let us for the fans. Yeah but I think it's probably bought bottom half the top ten largest because who it is right. It's been so much fun to see these players. Yeah I think that's very reasonable to say it's like it lands. Like the finale goes But you know if it lands like top seven. I think that's probably fine subs- I I think it will really be like ten nine but all right Listen you want you to rank things I know. That's your you like that We're come come back in the off season. We'll figure it all out okay. I love the idea. All right all right. Thank you guys so much. Thanks much Scott saint-pierre behind the scenes. Everybody a good one by game knowing.

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Survivor 40 Preview: Why the Winners Lost with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis

Rob Has a Podcast

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Survivor 40 Preview: Why the Winners Lost with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis

"Hey what's going on Rob Sister Dino and we've got some more season forty preseason coverage here on Robin's podcast actually a very excited about this one one that I am welcoming in a team from our survivor wrap up coverage to talk with me about why I the winners lost. Of course they are the pair that you can hear every week during the survivor season on. Why blank loss Please welcome to rob has a podcast. David Bloomberg and millennials versus at Gen-x Zone. Jessica Lewis David Jessica career excellent much. Yes okay very excited to talk about. Why the winners lost as confusing title but Jessica? Can you break down. What we're going to talk about here today? No pressure so I find myself with to survivor. Encyclopedias so I will be relying very heavily on your memories of all of Amber Rob Harvey Sandra Sarah Ethan. Jeremy Tony and Tyson's games that they played and did not win because we all know that they are winners but unfortunately they were also losers at at a time to so. That's what we will be breaking down today. I think this is very fun and I think this is an interesting way to approach this season as in as we go into that. Yes these are all people that won the game but it's not always easy to win and nineteen of them. We'll lose and for some of them. It will be a multiple times loss for them and it just goes to show you how hard of a game survivor is. Absolutely and some of them will probably lose multiple times just in this season. Maybe some people could lose two or three times even in this season. He's in that in South Pacific and he's not even here in this season to play again anyway so very excited to get into this with you. Both David David. I know since the last time we spoke on the season. Forty round table number five. You haven't been feeling well what's going on. Oh I just You know little in pneumonia knocked out here for a week So I got to catch up on some shows and mostly lay on the couch and hack my lungs. Oh okay well happy that. You're feeling better and here with us. I know I saw in our patrons group that you said you watch all of the clone wars What brought you to that Something I hadn't seen yet do a final season and I and there were some references in the man Delorean that my son told me we're back to the clone wars an extra actually. There were several of them so it was interesting. There was also so one a character who appeared in rogue one was immersed in the clone wars. So you know it's it's considered Canon bannon gotta be fully caught up on that David. David I said I'm not bringing the clones. I only brought them to game changers. This is there are no clones clones. I may go rogue he would be the rogue one. Okay all right so let's talk about. Why why the winners lost some of the winners they lost then they won some of the winners one and then come back and have lost? So I think it'd be interesting interesting to see You know who's trending in the right direction as we head into season forty. I'm David What's the order that you want to try to attack the these as a this list of survivor winners. Who have lost? I thought I'd keep it simple and just go alphabetical order by first name. Yes okay and now as we are going to talk about why the winners lost as you do on know. Why a blank loss? Can you tell us David for anyone who is is a uninitiated to the cannon of why blank lost can you give us the criteria of which we're looking at why these survivor replace lost. Yeah it's for anyone who doesn't know it's based on a set of rules that I I wrote back after the first season actually as I was doing research for this I stumbled on e post second season one and it's it's got a few of the same things but the rules have changed changed over time although now they have been for in time as anyone knows because they they appear on a poster so they can't be changed anymore but that sounds. Yeah but so the the rules are basically how someone should play to win. The game doesn't talk about anything else. It doesn't talk about being popular later finding the love of your life. It's just how to do it to win the game. And so you start with the first rule which is is to scheming plot the second rule which is to not plot too much or backstab too soon third rule which is to be flexible the fourth rule which just to not let your emotions control you the fifth rule which is to play the social game the sixth rule don't be too much of a threat and the seventh and most newly added rule it deals with idols and advantages and just knowing the rules really and how how to Play all of those then. There's a couple of one deals with WHO people should vote doubt in what order. That's the one you love so much longer than the weak and the strong that used to be like the third rule I think In looking back and and then the appendix B deals with the jury phase and how to handle that jury. Okay all right. Are there any rules that have been added since the original edge of extinction about how that part of the game should be. Make sure you come back from edge of extinction late in the game. Listen if we could have added that rule I think we would have said just don't ever have extinction again but that isn't that we've added into the rules but we have spent much time complaining about it and how much we dislike. I know that Eh David is not a fan of the tokens to David. You out on that. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa wait to see the problem is that they're are used on edge of extinction which right there is an issue for me. Plus it's one more thing taking away from the actual game going on. So Oh okay I see a lot of complaining about it once. We do our preseason podcast on imports. And of course the Y.. Blank lost season. Forty official Shaw preview. Show is coming next week in our Rahat pups feed our survivor. PODCAST only feed. Would you can get all things being suggest survivor. You say hold hold the news af hold the Redknapp hold the big brother. I only care about survivor. You can get that rob as website dot com slash survivor podcast or in our ups feed to get all things upset. Rob Has a website dot com slash rh AP UPS ASS Rahat ups. Okay all right. So who is first alphabetically. And now with the amber amber okay. Amber lost lost all the way back in season two survivor Australia. Okay David while. Why did amber lose in survivor Australia? Australia well remember back. She she didn't do a whole lot of scheming and plotting now. Do you remember the survivor to field. Guide book that came out. I think so I think so. Okay well in there. They they had some interviews with the contestants. Then she predicted that her conniving side we come out during the game And you know she did scheme with Jerry I guess but it was basically aligning herself with somebody who she thought was a strong leader and take her to the finish line She she chose to stay close to the most disliked person in the outback. And didn't you really set herself apart. And well she bet on the wrong horse when Jerry was gone and she couldn't get into the Oga corn voting block lock. And by the way I did call it a voting bloc back then Mr Fischbach. If you're listening. Oh yeah he just dropped his phone yes yes so other than that she mostly Lou under the radar. Yeah Yeah I. I think that Tina said it very well when she was talking talking about ambers game and how amber never proved that she could stand on her own two feet and I think that's really what we saw that relationship she had with. Jerry was so significant to her and and I think had a detrimental effect on her ability to really play the game with other people because of how disliked Jerry was by so many of them yet in survivor. This stronach. I think like that. You know it's Jerry ally we remember the most but I think that what was going on in the original Oga core was there was sort of like a young people Versus old people thing. That was going on where it wasn't just amber and Jerry but also Mitchell and I think they thought that they had colby as sort of like okay where the young young people were calling the shots and then once cal was gone then they were GonNa vote out Keith. They were GONNA. They voted out mad. Dog they were gonNA vote out Keith. They were GonNa vote out Tina and that was their idea for the group was going to be sort of like the core four was the younger people and called. The didn't want to be part of that. And then ultimately even though Cambrai was well liked she was never able to you know get back into sort of the core of yoga. The Yoga core of that group I I would agree and I mean the thing is though you look back at this and I know it was. It was a different game. But I've always said and that Tina Colby screwed up when they voted out Jerri because they did it. One vote too soon. Amber should have flipped to the kitchens and they would have had a majority but she didn't have the strategic thinking at that time to do that now to be fair. I don't remember the coupons doing much to try to her over and make that happen but You know it was like once Jerry was gone and and she was just lost and waiting to get voted out herself which yeah couple more vote. Yeah I don't even remember you know. The game really was not not evolved at that point in time if Elizabeth and Roger would have been up for that type of thing had amber even been willing to do such a thing so you you know the game is not even close to what it was Way Back when Amherst of course is going to You know come back in the all stars and then I think be very underestimated after that game where she did not scheme and plot very much David. Yeah Yeah I mean I remember when the All Star cast out me too we were all off and we were all looking at the list and saying amber. Yeah why would they W- amber why and I it. It is interesting because in reviewing information it reminded like like we were talking about. She stuck close to Jerry and thought she gets to the end that way and obviously she didn't but boy did she pick the right horse or second time out Well and I I feel like she wasn't even on the original list and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that there was other. There was two other survivors that were asked to be on and they declined line. I think it was like Elizabeth and colleen and then amber ended up getting a spot because they declined. Yeah that's how I remember I. I mean I don't know. How far is it the casting process if colleen Haskell or Elizabeth you've been took their phone calls but I remember having like a dry erase board of different people who could be in the mix for you know coming back on that season and then I remember I did hear a rumor from a fellow? uh-huh Gore tribe member Mitchell. Who I used to talk to at that point in time that he said to me that amber had been so I had her like all my board of like okay she could be she could be out there but I was not thinking her of her as a serious contender and I think probably you know most most of us there are underestimated her I love that you had a whiteboard. That's great preparing. I was I was preparing and it wasn't as easy as it is now where it's like everybody's on social media but you know it's like hey. We knew that they were going to be some people that were there. We didn't know I was the first season where they had eighteen people so We didn't know how many people they were GonNa take and so I had like a binder of all the different BIOS of people and it doesn't do you any good but I had all those things. It's amazing well. He tried Detri- tried very hard work. I have to go into David's archives to find out why why but anyway okay so David What else do you want to set up about amber not a whole lot from her loss? Yeah Ah it's even been a long time since she won and does any of it matter. She's you know she's Amber Mariano. Yes well yeah well. I guess what I'd like to do in this exercise is when we talk about like the reasons why why they lost. Do you feel like was she able to correct the issues from her. First Time out where she lost and that it's not an issue for her anymore or do you think that if she does lose this time that we could go back to well. Yeah well she just really wasn't ready to scheme and plot that much. Yeah I mean she correctly picked the horse so from that standpoint one point she corrected it. It really depends how much how much you believe who You know I reviewed my interview with her after all stars and asked her at the time. Okay some people say rob. Did everything a few people say. You did everything. What's the story and She you said well. It's somewhere in between I had my own allies and he had his allies but we would talk to each other and and convince each other on how how to do it. And that's probably one hundred percent true. I have no reason to outwit the thing is. She's not going to be with rob this time and and it least not at the beginning. So who is she going to have that level of trust with and the answer I have to think is almost nobody pretty. I don't know who is going to want to work with her in that same manner because at some point if Iraq is still in the game they are going to swap or merge back together again and you you are no longer ally number one Sure you just that. I really was surprised that coming into the season. Where okay amber is going to be on this tribe with Sandra said okay? Well you know Robin Sandra Orne together rubbing together. But I think that Sandra an amber would be natural allies. Where that okay? Well that in the meantime Sandra and amber could work to protect each other but I thought in Ambers pre-game press. I thought she does not really seem open to the idea of working with Sandra and I thought that was very surprising surprising. It is surprising because I do think that people are legitimately afraid of Sandra. Just because of the way that we've seen her approach the game I I would think that rob talked to amber a little bit about. Hey Sandra and I really connected and she might be able to help you out there. Because she spent thirty nine days out in Fiji and she can tell you what the what it's like out there so it seems odd that she wouldn't want to but I also feel like Ambrosia type of player her that she wants to have that other half lake. She did with like she did with Jerry like she did with rob but the other half has to be someone that she's is not threatened by. I think more like someone who feels like she can connect with and maybe she feels like she can't connect with Sandra because really Sandra is a tough player. And I don't I don't know if Sandra is the type of person that feels like she needs a number two. Sandra can do it on her own. And Sandra can bring together people pretty quickly so that might be part of the problem Ms Sanders approach to the game versus how ambers approaching the game. David do you feel like that. Ambers game is completely reliant on having a partner are out there to play the game with mutually and that her basically survival in the early games going to depend on if she can get set up with said partner her. Yeah that's what history has shown in that way I would say she's like Jt. Yeah Yeah Yeah absolutely you know who I think it it could be potentially is Tyson in the early going. Then you know Robin have a friendship. I think she's going to trust Tyson and I think that Tyson is not going to be somebody. That's gunning for her Tyson. Is You know certainly going to be a louder. And more outspoken. And somebody that I feel like that she she and rob could both trust so that that'll be an interesting wanted to see if they're able to at least be working together and then Tyson. Jason has a bunch of other connections where they can bring amber into the fold in sort of protect her a little bit more. I think that's a good call right there because Tyson and rob are rather close relationship that amber definitely get behind David. Is there any chance that you think amber comes out and really you know have spent the last almost twenty years with Boston. Rob Do you think that she comes out as plays like super aggressive in this game. I don't think so I. I don't think that's what she's been focused on. I mean they have four daughters. I I think that's what she's been spending her time on. And I think that you know they get along because because they are different types of personalities in that way I don't think she's going to become him. Okay all right anything else you WANNA say about. Why Camber Lost Nope? I don't think so. Okay all right well. Good Okay David. WHO's next alphabetically? There would be Ethan Ethan Okay Ethan. Unlike amber he won his first time and then lost the season that amber one on his second in time. So David. Why did Ethan losing survivor all stars? Well there were three winners playing in all stars as you may remember Yeah there was four unless you're shaving somebody. I don't think so okay. Well then there were four winners that it was really Richard Jenna Tina and Ethan. Oh yeah I totally forgot about Jonah. Sorry come I'm on promise. I wasn't there I promise. It wasn't attention. I just I've just forgotten man but anyway All all of them were targeted because they were winners. And obviously that can't be the case this time around and even did last the longest. I mean in a way it could. I guess the you know they are all targeted. Because they're winners right. Yeah can't be specifically targeted especially because the winters. Yeah but you know he was. He lasted the longest but it wasn't necessarily out of his own actions. He kinda hung in the back played. Sandra anyone but me game for a while. But he had been on the outs and you know he probably would have been voted out in the second episode but his tribe felt route was was unable to really contribute. Next time he went to tribal council he was with Mogo Mogo and he was supposed to be victim but Kobe saved him and and then Kobe saved him again. In another way by becoming a bigger target which also had the effect of showing that Ethan was out of the loop because even his old Laxton exton tell him about that. And so you had ethan the threat. who wasn't really able to do anything to save him off off? Then you hooked up with Colby and Colby was acting like King Colby and they would send lex down to you. Tell the tell the minions the the women on the tribe this is how we're voting which was great until lex realized he was the only one talking to the women and flipped lipped on them. So you know it was it was. It was a situation where he won like I said he was a a threat and he was also a threat because he was for challenges and to. He didn't really scheming plot. He left it to other people and then that came back to buy eight him him when Lex told him. Hey Buddy you're next and he couldn't get anyone to flip because like Cathy said. Why would I flip for? You knew you only started talking to me two hours ago So it's you know I mean it was primarily because he was a huge threat but he just he just didn't skip plot plot enough to keep himself safe. Okay all right so not enough scheming and plotting from Ethan on the all stars th- that's so in my memory. I remember him really fighting tooth and nail though well at the end after Lex told him to. Do you mean at at the very end or just from the home through that. I thought that Ethan had to be really scrappy. I don't remember that detail about that. Kathy feeling willingly that Ethan had not talked to her prior to that. Yeah she you know. She felt disrespected and he. I'm sure he was fighting but it wasn't necessarily his fighting kept him there like I said he was other things going on. That kept him around. I think it's it's one thing to be scrappy because you know that you don't WanNa get voted out. But it's another thing to be scheming and plotting to try to prevent yourself from getting voted out. He I mean that's something that Ethan struggled with a lot. Even even in the season he won it was very proud of the fact that he could that he actually proved that you could win a game without lying and cheating back sat and he and he vocalized at tribal councils counsels how it was hard for him to stab people in the bat in vote friends and I think that was still something that we saw him struggle with an all stars but the difference between the two when you're winning survivor Africa. The game is still so new when people are still trying to figure out how to play it that the scheming employees wasn't necessarily as significant as it. It is and game like all stars when you're playing with people who have been here before done this before and he was almost playing catch up the entire time I think is a good observation because I think I I remember certainly that him being on the ropes and giving people all the reasons why you shouldn't vote him out but in terms of like being proactive. Oh active in terms of like okay. Here's the next person we should vote. Here's the next person. Let's come up with the next plan. Yeah maybe that could be something that he could improve upon Jessica. There's been a lot of talk about Ethan. Does he even know the game does he know what night does he know even know how to do anything. Do you think that if we're talking about why Ethan lost a couple of weeks or months from now. Do you think that the answer is potentially the same. I think it could be because the game has changed changed so dramatically. Since a lot of the old school survivor players the ones that I really have so much respect for because they created the world that we all live live in but now they're coming into a world that's been played with by CBS survivor. And they've added all of these extra components to it that they're now having to play catch up. That's because it's a different game and though you played it before now you have to play the new game and some of the new people who are out there have played that game. They played it with the idols. They they know all of these these weird little twists and tricks that might be present and I think we saw the same thing happen. I can't remember now if it what season season but when we had Kelly returned for her second season and she was. Obviously you know finished second. Borneo did great then Wiggle Wiggle Wigglesworth. Yeah so then. When we see her return she actually said in one of her exit interviews? How this is you can take this arriving on? Keep it like this is not the survivor. I know this is not the survivor. I played because it's so different and I feel like Ethan might be one of those people that's kind of locked into that old school mentality be fair. She didn't like the survivor. That ah the one. You're good point good point but it is something to be mindful of because I do do think it has changed and you have to change with the game and I don't know if Ethan is necessarily going to have the ability to do that because of just the genuine nature of himself David. I don't feel like Ethan is going to be overwhelmed by the modern game. I feel like that he's going to be able to adapt. Maybe maybe not on day one but I think he's going to be able to pick it up. I think you will too and I don't want to give away all my predictions here because we have our own full preview earning up but you know I I think that he will. I don't think he will be one of the first. I think he will hang around for awhile. Part of it will be because people will. We'll be like hey leave him alone you know we. We kind of revere him a little bit and part of it will be he will not appear to be the same threat level as some of the other winner so that will give him time to adapt but the real question is has. He learned to ski my plot. Can he move him so so once it will start paying attention to him and he moved himself forward. We'll have built the necessary alliances to do that. MHM yeah. It'll be interesting to watch. Okay anything else we were say on. Ethan Okay Okay. Alright Dave who's next alphabetically. Jeremy Jeremy Okay. Let's talk about Jeremy who hello lost then came back on his second chance and one. Why did Jeremy Lose in survivor? San Juan del Sur. Well you know looking back journey. Jeremy was a tar or at least four episodes probably more and joshing read pushed him as a threat both because he was talking to everyone and and be because he was a fireman with two kids. Who would be hard to beat at the end? And they also made. This claim that Jeremy wanted to target all the couples ee ee. John undescribed him as the leader of the pack and it became one of those situations. We see where germy became a threat because everyone was saying a threat therefore he was a threat And and the problem was Germany didn't realize how many people thought of him that way at least from what we saw. Aw He seemed to view it as a battle of his alliance against the Josh reliance so after they voted Josh out. I think he was feeling pretty. Good good and then he was sent to exile island to find the idol that John already had and he made the mistake of trying to trick John into revealing it which elevated him again on the threat chart because now John Worried about Jeremy Outing his idol soon. It wasn't even ah wasn't given the opposing lion to marry. It was his own. Although I mean admittedly Jonah Jacqueline had been kind of the swing votes for a while and it. It was just a situation where he was a threat. He went after another threat. And as we see happen so often. If you've got two people that are butting outing heads at they often just go one after the other. And that's what happened here. And instead of reducing his threat level after Josh was gone along he increased it by scheming and plotting too much pushing the supposed ally with pushing him with the idol issue. Now I think he clearly learned his lessons from this loss in the second season. Yeah and I think it will help him going forward but as far as the first season. Yeah that that was. That was what I saw. Yeah that's a really good point about the first game for Germany and the adjustment that he made because there was like this big war between okay. Oh it's it's Jeremy Versus Josh. Who's going to come out? And then so he gets josh out and feels like he won the war and then he ends up being the the person who ends up going out next but Jessica Jeremy's game by the time he gets the second chances is oh I surround myself with people that are are potentially bigger threats than me so if Jeremy Two point Oh played San Juan del Sur. Maybe he's keeping Jer. Josh around the you know maybe he's GonNa Keep John Mitch around to sort of have other people out there that people may want to target instead of him. Yeah I think that's a great point. The instead of reducing the threat level is such a great explanation of Jeremy's game. Because Jeremy Really did I almost want to say you know you came in hot at people. When he was whenever he felt like his name was mentioned there was potentially being talked about or it? There was a lot of Jeremy kind coming after people are going after people all which then created more people talking about him so I do think he he kind of kept the light shining on him by the way he was playing the game without even necessarily realizing. That's it's what he was doing. He got a little emotional at times. which really I think affected them negatively but I do think he completely corrected that in the next season because obviously we Assam Cambodia? He won and he was still that same presence but he did surround himself with people that helped keep the light off of him. And I think if Jerry does the same thing he has a great rapport with people. He can build relationships really well. We've seen him do that. On the seasons are displayed. And I think that there's enough people on this season that would be very interested in utilizing someone like Jeremy to even keep the lights shining off of them you know. I think that they could do it to each other or help each other out in that way so I think think that he's I think that's certainly something that we could see from him in this season coming David officially in your analysis What were the rules that you army broke? When he lost in San Juan del Sur? Being too much of a threat and scheming and plotting too much I would say okay Do you think that that could potentially end up rearing its ugly head. If Germany ends up losing in season forty I think being too much of a threat could for different reasons. I don't I I know there's been discussion about probably someone who's married and has kids is going to win and I don't know he may have the most kids. If anyone of the group you'd be with Robin Anti there yes but you know I just can't imagine people are going to be saying well. I want to vote for the winner of the of the winter season based on family. I don't think they're going to do that so I don't think that'll play a role. No one's going to be walking around got to get into Germany because he has four kids but are you saying nobody will vote him out because he has four kids are no one will vote at the end because of the a person has a family. No one's going to vote came out as a threat because he has four kids and also and that's because no one's is going to vote for him at the end specifically because he has four kids and that was one thing Josh Reed were pushing was. Oh everybody's GonNa vote for at the end. Because he has two kids and so now by that by that reckoning he'd be twice as threat Nah we disagree with you on on both counts. I think that people probably do and up in final tropical council voting by the You know who did. I have good relationships with who you you think about. You get so close to these people you feel like you you really you really know them. I mean Jessica. I mean. I've talked a lot about on the PODCASTS. That I do think that a a person who is a parent is going to end up being the winner of the season. Because I think it'll be it's now it's two million dollars. I think that's one area where I do. Think that things even change and there was so much talk. Talk in second chances and talking with Stephen about how the jury they wanted to give the money to Kimmy. They wanted you know. They were so happy to vote for Jeremy. And I I know. Dan In millennials versus gen-x. Obviously you guys all voted for Adam. But he had a whole different set of circumstances. Do you think that this is crazy. Talk what I've been saying about that. The jury in particular will vote for a parent. I don't think it's crazy talk. I think that when you're in that situation and we have to vote for winter people are looking for reasons to vote for a winner. That's not necessarily just tied to how they played the game because as you can have two people sitting there that have both played a great game whether they be very similar or dissimilar. But you someone who you think. Both of them are deserving of the money what sets them apart. Well this one has four children that one is a millennial that's jet-setting around the country posting pictures on instagram. I'm GonNa go so at the dad or the mom because they've got four like I could see somebody actually doing that. Because sometimes you just find yourself looking for any reason to pick someone or to vote. Vote someone out. And if if that's going to gain you some favor than yeah I would. I think it could definitely happen. especially I think there's a lot of older people people when I say older on the I mean the really. They're not but in comparison. This is a this is an older group and I think that that could definitely have an effect on how people view who someone sent him in that seat. And I don't think it's the case for every season. I mean we only have to go back to David's favorite season the edge of extinction. Where you know you Julie who was a mom who got no votes as opposed to? Here's a you know. CHR Chris Gavin and you know they're both young guys and Gavin was recently married and Chris would be married within a few months of the end of that season but they were fighting for all the votes. So it's not every single time out but I just feel like that going off off of the the makeup of the the last time out that we ended up having you know the all star season with older players that David I feel like that. That was a big criteria lights area of how that second chances jury was voting and to the point where you know Spencer we got no consideration from anybody for votes and you could say that. Okay well you know how much was cast poisoning the well at the Ponderosa but I just think that the people families so strong with these with all so well people and you know. I think that that's going to be a consideration. Ethan is the only person I think that's immune to this. Yeah I mean I guess it's possible and by the way Jessica Shade your friend Adam there Shading anyone lives a different life and I respect him for what he's doing but I also know that sometimes you're looking for. Why do I want to pick this person? And and if someone is and I know that people say I don't care what you're GonNa do with the money but some people do care what you're GonNa do at the money. Yeah and I I do think that that can have an effect on people or shore. And I'm I'm not shading anyone I love you I just I just wanted to push about Madison but I I think that at the end I guess it's possible it. It depends who all is there and there could always be reasons and it like you say you're always looking for a reason to vote for somebody. I just don't think people are going to go around saying we have to get rid of Jeremy because he has four kids now. There may be the reasons that you gotta get rid of Jeremy. If he's gathering people to his side again and someone recognizes this and says oh my gosh. She's playing the same game being and he's such a nice guy so magnetic that's reason to target. I don't think that it's specifically because Jeremy has has a family that people would target him. But when you start to like the total package of boy. Jeremy has for kids and everybody loves Jeremy and he's and he's got a great story and yes the great story that's the thing it's the great story I feel like that. I don't think that that's a reason when you vote somebody out in the pre merge but then when you're getting down to final seven finally looking around it's like boy. I Love Jeremy but I can't beat Jeremy and so I think that that's where it starts to end up being more of a factor and I and I really do think that the jury is rarely as analytical as we are on the outside in in terms of like okay. Who did who did what who made what moves? What were the you know the things that they did? I think that the jury ends voting more along the lines of. How did this person make me feel? Do I like this person and you know my happy to vote for them. Is this my friend. I think that that's ends up being more of a criteria. Arterial than we like to admit. And you know breaking down the game from an analytical perspective. Yeah I think most juries are they they eh eh believed that they are doing analytically in most cases I think And now whether those other factors come into play and to you look at the season that you just brought up edge of extinction. I I believe that they thought they were being analytical and well we already podcasts about what I believe but you know they they. They thought they were being analytical but they the people that voted for Chris. A had a stronger bond with Chris Picasso. The you know the relationships that they had at the edge of extinction so I I do think that you know. Even though that Gavin had the the analytical argument of hey I never got voted out he only got four votes right. Exactly okay all right. So if Jeremy Ends up losing in season forty it'll be because of his threat level perhaps again and maybe try and overcompensate but he he came back so loosey-goosey I always remember his interview with Josh wigger from preseason Jessica where he ended up talking about how he's like For whatever reason in between twenty nine and thirty one he's just like I'm just GonNa GonNa have fun. Yeah I I think we saw that and I think that's why he did so I mean not that he. He did great his first time out but he was a little more aggressive his first time now when he came back the second time he was much more relaxed. He didn't let things get to him so easily. And you didn't see him responding in such an aggressive manner like he you did. In the first time he played where he was coming at people and I and I'm hoping that that's the Jeremy we see again. But if that's the Jeremy see again everybody better be very mindful of where he's at because he would have a great chance to win and I wonder David if that first Germany that we saw maybe wasn't the true germy because it was a blood versus is water season and then valujet's voted out so early and then he has made that negotiation with John Rocker. Just kind of keep val all safe and that ended up getting screwed up and so he got he was hot. Yeah I completely agree with that so too and I was thinking thinking that you're as you were talking about how you know he played differently. I think yeah playing with vow and then being on on his own. I think that's just two different situations Okay all right David. WHO's next alphabetically? So who is next is a unique person here because it's poverty and you know we you said earlier. We have some winners. Who Lost before winning a few lost after renting thing but we only have one who lost and then won and then lost again? Yeah Poverty Yes okay. Poverty sparky's Lisi interesting case. Lost Cook Islands one Micronesia and then lost heroes vs villains by one vote. Okay uh-huh from your records. Why did poverty lose in Cook Islands? All right so I I I would say. She lost mainly due to true rules in a related fashion. She didn't do much scheming. And plotting and seemed to base everything on you. Know just being with her pals. Nate candice atom. And because of that we can also note that she wasn't flexible and she forgot a key point of the third rule that has frankly frankly Helped strike down many players. which is you can't simply tie yourself to one alliance and hope that it survives and at the merge she made no serious attempt to seek out any backup alliances so in Penner flipped? She was dead in the water. And you don't Penner himself told me that part of that flip was her our own fault because he said they would not work. They had no game plan. They were not interested in winning. Heating is not interested in winning. He didn't want it. She was flexible to Adam and canvas so so when he when he made his move good she on that that she had no moves left to make. I mean she did try to bring odder side but it was too little too late and she had no other alliances to fall back on Yeah she was only finding herself as a player the first time out. I think she had almost no idea what she was doing. In Cook Islands Islands. So of course She comes back she wins. I maybe the more interesting Question is why did she lose. Heroes vs villains Well after winning Micronesia and telling me in an interview that she was done with survivor she went back out. Here's versus villains. But I think by this time it's safe to say she knew and understood all the rules and handled most of them very well. It was widely believed achieved. She had made deals even before heading out to Samoa shocking. To think of that or if there were no specific deals many any of her fellow players worried that she would hook back up with Amanda James Sirri but that wasn't how it happened instead she aligned right off the bat with the one player nobody else knew and that was Russell and she took all the way to the end now of course along the way she made other alliances such as with Danielle L.. And then Sandra Jerry and as the end of the game neared. It seemed likely that no matter who on the final immunity she was going to the final. Yes yeah so it. It might have seemed first glance like she hooked her saddle on Russell Road Him into the finals she actually have given herself a number of other options Shinzo. That didn't work out here. Here's the problem. If not how it looked a majority by one of the jury and so I would say her early. The entitled Lions With Russell was both her success and her failure in the game. When I interviewed Sandra the game she said poverty and Russell are a snake with two heads and it seemed like most of the jurors agreed or maybe worse Russell was the head of the snake and poverty was just the tail and I mean the thing is looking back? I can't criticize poverties jury arguments and at the time I thought she made about the best appeal to the jury that she could. She stood up for herself as a player she discussed her challenge wins or strategic mood but the problem was the majority of the jury thought of hers an Extension Russian of Russell and Russell even said in his interview with me. They voted for her because they didn't want to vote poverty because poverty was with me and poverty just couldn't convince them that she didn't have stink of Russell on her. So I know this. This was a longer than usual here and a lot of it is. Maybe you know why poverty perhaps should've want but Russell both helped her in the game. Because I don't think she'd committed anywhere near the end without him but also hurt her when she got there. Yeah and at the time. I don't know what more she could have done to win. And she showed how well the strategic social and physical game could be played but she didn't get the votes you know it's she just needed to find a way to completely distanced herself from him and that wasn't possible. His inability to play nice overpowered her strong strong social game and the IRS couldn't separate the two and then San were capitalized on that by making sure to get to the end with people that she felt she he could beat and also Sandra was so vocal as you know the jury came into that. And maybe they didn't know exactly how to I feel other than we all know. We all hate Russell. We all hate Russell here and Sandra was the one that was like you hate Russell. I really hate Russell. And then that was the way that the jury I think felt like Sandra is a Nollie. She a former winner and she got some. I got to the end but she also. Hey It's the same guy that we all hate and I think that poverty had a harder time making that argument. I don't remember to what degree she really tried to disavow Russell even though they had very publicly broken off ties in the game. I think that Sandra was just way louder in terms of beating that drum so David what what role would you say. That was the issue for poverty. I mean and that's where it comes down to. It was a very difficult situation. I mean the AH part of it was that most of it comes down to appendix an dealing with the jury in in how you do that like you just described described You know looking at Andhra. She said in her jury arguments. She kept talking about how she tried to get rid of Russell and I remember member at the time I was like. Why are you talking about your failures? didn't get rid of war. I would you do that and I asked her in an interview. And why did you bring that up because because the point was like you just said everyone hated Russell. Everyone wanted to get rid of Russell so I wanted to know I was among them doing that. Yeah and poverty. We're should have listened to me. I said at the vote Russell. You didn't believe me right. And and poverty was just so linked to him MHM. She did so many things well and I know that a lot of people say this was her even though she didn't win this was her best game but in the end you know sometimes you have lost where there's just not much you did wrong except you got outplayed. And in this case Sandra played her car. Yeah I mean I do think though that the the relationship with Russell and it did help her obviously get through to the end but there might have also been this idea in her in her head that if I sit next to him because they hate him so much then I'll get votes because he won't get the votes so I think it really came down to that third seat and I know that she based on what we saw on the show tried to convince Russell that we shouldn't have sanders sitting next to us. Maybe we should consider keeping Jerry with us and you know. Maybe that's that's really where her the biggest problem for her. The result of that relationship with Russell was she listened to Russell and I want to. I Want Sandra here. Because Jerry's is GonNa vote for me and and that unfortunately I think really caused significant damage. Because I don't know if Jerry sitting there would have done what Sandra did to harleys game by by pointing out the fact that they're together and you hate him therefore you hate her and I should win. Because I'm not part of that. I don't know well if Gary would have been able to do the same thing. Yeah I agree. I've always heard it that Jerry. If she got in there then she could have been potentially the sanders who's very close to winning the immunity at the final four. But I do think that we're onto something that I really a recall to people saying that is the biggest hole inflation in parties game it may be Jerry management because if you go back to the season even that she won in Micronesia. I'm sure you both remember that. She was ready to go the final three with Sirri. Yeah yeah that is true and only by the grace of it being a final to what was it not a the final three in that season where it had been final threes for the previous couple of seasons before that so I mean she was ready to go in. They're sitting next to Serena Amanda and we don't know although I do believe in evolution strategy. Were saying well. How many votes surreally? But it's still Sirri it's still Sirri. The three combined with three. That's crazy so yeah. David is possible that the property would be very fortunate if we're saying that that the reason why she loses season forty s jury management. Well yeah it will be interesting to see. Hopefully she will learned her lesson and not not bring someone like that again. I don't think she could have foreseen. I mean even if she learned and and people were saying to her afterwards. Afterwards where you crazy. Why were you going to bring Sirri to the end? I don't think she would of seen Sandra in the same light. But so it's it is an interesting point there and of course when she faced a and At the end now I don't think this is the only reason by any stretch that poverty already one there but Amanda completely fell apart frontal so to the point that We have an attorney at my work. Who Ah the same first and last name as a man and I came up to her and I said well you know? I hope you're better at closing arguments and the other one. Does he know what you're talking. Route she only knew people people had brought up the name similarity that was on all she knew. Okay all right Jessica. Do you have anything else. I WANNA ask about poverty going the season forty based on how she has lost the game previously. I think poverty really is an I know. A lot of people have said this and kind of agree with that. She's such a great survivor player. I mean there's she really brings so much to the game and she was very unexpected. I think when we first saw her obviously she. You didn't winner for season. But I think we learned a lot about her and I think what we've seen from her is the development of her game. And how much better. She's gotten at it so I don't know if she can get better but it would be interesting to see if she does because she really did improve upon her game each time I mean yeah. There was some some things. She decisions that she made that we question but she's always got her her finger on the pulse. She knows what's going on. She's great socially she forms relationships with people and she really is one of the players players that you that you can watch and appreciate how she's looking at the game because she's she really is. I think very aware of the situation and the relationships ships and and what's going to work well for her so it it'll be interesting to see if she's able to bring that to season forty because she's obviously playing with very experienced players and people that know her social game and maybe that's going to be a downfall for her because they do know how she works and they know how she's conniving and how she uses those relationships chips so it could potentially cause her not to win so I I don't know how she's going to end up faring on season forty. Because we've we've seen so much of her and so so much of her game that she's not going to be able to hide and everyone's going to know exactly where she's coming from of the Big Three Boston. Rob Poverty Sandra Sandra. I think that poverty has the best chance to make the merged Stephen. Yeah I agree completely because I think the other two are GonNa get picked off right away. 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That's new new N. O. M. dot com slash rob. Okay David who is next alphabetically. That would be Boston. Robbed and with the beach. Okay all right so rob has actually lost the game three times James. Yes he has so we have a lot to say about him. Okay so David I So we have Boston Rob lost the game. Amar cases he lost the game in survivor. All Stars by one vote. He lost the game in heroes vs villains. Was The reason why Boston Rob lost all three times the same or did he lose for for different reasons all three times. He lost for different reasons interesting. Okay Yeah so you see phasing one thing. And then another hole springs open on the boat before he was able to plug all the holes in Redemption Island. Yeah I think that's part of it You know he's He. He volved the way he lost. He you know all along the way there and eventually uncle fourth try got it got it all taken care of OK. Alright take us through March cases were probably marquesses okay. So he blew the second rule by scheming too much he had tried a different plot with just about everybody. They all knew what he was about. He made it far too obvious to the other players that he was a game player and couldn't be trusted and I think that stems from early early in the game. He had control of his ribe but he wasn't able to adjust wasn't flexible enough for those shifts in the game and he at the point when he went out he could have done some more quiet talking to people like Kathy Pasco the Lia and even v but instead he tried to get everything out in the open he attacked Joey about one alliance yard with John About a promise and and hope that people would see John as a liar and instead people just turned on him and it didn't help that he was confrontational instead of pretending to be nice he also violated something that was a rule at the time but has since gone away which was that. Providing food wins allies. And you shouldn't be lays the because he was purposely lazy which pissed off a number of players on both his original and his swap tribes. And you compare that to some of the other players like v. e.. She acted one way I but then she saw afterward. Oh things have changed. I have to change with it. And so they also so he would last few. We've been talking about it. Only been maybe a couple here and there but he was also a threat to the overall ruling reliance. 'cause he could be a strong competitor in physical challenges and and and then he did something really stupid in the final challenge lynge he e they were all there standing on floating platforms in the water and the rule being. You could only your feet touch the platform today. He decided to goof off often splash some water. And that's the platform which is not the brightest thing. Mr Mariano has ever done So you know at the time time looking back I. We're not exactly very complementary to him. I closed out my Wi- rob lost column by saying he thought he was the godfather father and had all the puppets straight but what he really had were delusions of grandeur. Putting it all together rob was lazy. He was obnoxious. He schemed with too many different. Some people and back stabbed and in general. He had far too high opinion of his own abilities. Bloomberg Apple's like me now a lot better my goodness. I didn't go easy on him. You know it doesn't sound like you did but it's all very on point. I do think that a lot of what we we saw with rob. He was overly aggressive. I do think the you know the GODFA. He called himself the God father and I don't I hope it didn't say that anyone's face when he was out there and only you said it professionals but he definitely thought that he could control people and he said it himself you know with fear like fear is going to keep people oil now fear. Actually they just made people dislike him and vote him out so you know I do. Think that that ROB's initial approach to the game was it was too heavy handed. I think everything he said was was completely on point Ended and the fear was good in the small tribe but denied career. Did Not do much when he gets swapped to the other tribe. You don't have the numbers like that that Boston Rob one point game. You Know Oh is going to work and I think there's still you can see in the Boston. Rob Four Point Zero version of the game. Like when you have the numbers you know you you can rule the roost with fear but if you're not in the numbers that doesn't work as good. Yeah Yeah Okay all right. So what about the the second time out all right well. Obviously he improved his game in large part because even though he knew and was friends with some of the other players outside the game he still played it as a game while some of them were not Along the way he somehow got people to listen to him and do what he wanted. Even even when it went against air best interest and he basically had people following his lead as he took them right to the edge of the cliff and push them off. Now Rob You may remember member. I went out to this finale in New York And Finale weekend. I thought Boston rob still had a pretty good shot at winning. I figured he could plead that he was just playing. The game and enough members of the jury would forgive him and reward him for his strategy but but then we're televised interview with some former survivors. That gave me pause and then when I got to New York I began to hear from others. How much of the jurors other utterly disliked rob? I heard rumors which I haven't tried to verify if you want to verify them that you know that. CBS put the All stars in separate hotels to avoid possible interaction between them. You know I don't know if there was like separate separate hotels I may. I just feel like that. You Know Robin Amer. We're certainly off like doing their own thing. Like I feel like that most of us were sort of just you know basically in gene in a group and then I feel like that rob and amber and colby were sort of like a at least in terms of going to the taping. They like had their own dressing dressing room and so there was like a little bit of like okay. Well they are. They're off on one side and then everybody else was sort of like all the rest of the group. It was kind of together. I also heard you didn't get a pre finale party the night before which most seasons did so up until that time they had done a pre finale party but they I don't think they ended up doing anything for everybody. You know I I do remember running running into like Robin ambers families. I think we're like meeting for the first time they were going to dinner someplace and everybody was just like doing the everybody. Everybody do their own thing for dinner. And then remember I think it was Ethan and Jenna. I think put together some sort of a party like the Saturday night before the Sunday. Finale finale which you know every almost everybody else went to but again Robin Amber Sorta like on a different trajectory going into the finale and then coming out they were going to be like a whirlwind. Wayne like press store while they're going to be in New York for the rest of the week. Okay well the rumors that were swirling at the time was that there was no pre finale party so the the hard feelings wouldn't blow up there and it turned out that we don't WanNa waste them on the night before I I don't know that I'm not sure. So how does this tie back into our rob laws. Well because the jury hated him but I mean the only lost by one vote right well okay majority of. You're the he did well with scheming and plotting including a day one alliance that has lasted until today and he right away took out those he deemed to be threats. Such as well you Without any hesitation and you you know as the game went on. He did Gannon again with people like lax. Kathy Tom but once you got to the jury perhaps the jury phase of the game the term you without hesitation should probably be replaced with without any thought outsider strategy. And you know he he got to the and and by overcoming a Lotta broken rules. He was challenged threat. He was in an obvious do. Oh I think In in my interview amber she even said that like why didn't they vote us out. They they should have And yet all the other players went along with it because he had them bamboozled into thinking he was on their side until he wasn't i. Obviously that's not gonNa work again so if we're looking at just the game we have to ask. If Rob should've voted out the eventual winner amber. At the time I suggested he probably should have game purposes because it didn't seem like he really took into consideration. He had a better chance to beat one point. He did say that both could beat him. And maybe that's true so if he really believed that then taking the woman you're going to marry obviously you know makes more sense but with that said the most important thing to remember about the jury is that you have to be prepared to argue your case and it didn't didn't seem like rob prepared at all He didn't seem prepared to answer the most basic and most asked questions your. Why should he win? Why shouldn't amber win? I think Janus said the best when she voted for him to win but she's still said he should have stepped up said this is how he played and that's why he made it to the final two instead. He started off by talking about it being a game but as the emotions ran hot he fell apart. He lost his ability to explain himself. And we could say that. That's part of the issue but it also seems unlikely. He could have said anything to convince LEX. Tom Or Alicia I to vote his way point. Yeah we should have all to shut up That I really think that you know he knew those guys for like six response. Well and also I wish he knew and maybe he did now but earlier we were talking about Ethan and Lex was like well. This is a business decision. Even though I'm good friends yeah. This is a business decision and this is what I have to. I think where lex made the switch in his mind was well but I told Ethan I was going to to do it so that makes it. Okay yeah but I also think LEX was big hypocrite but you know it came down really to she an as as the swing vote. Oh Yeah Yeah. And now. She was a strategic player. And I think rob should have focused on his strategy Cheetah. Try to win her over such as my pointing out that amber road on his coattails but again we go back to the outside the game influence and saying that about your future wife it is perhaps the greatest acquired. And besides you know you talk to John recently And she she said it at the time she's still thing it. She's convinced that amber was the real power behind the throne so I don't know that it wouldn't matter what is yeah. I think that you could say they like it was a collaboration. I think that it's still to this day. I'd be hard pressed to say that amber was the That the driving force say you could say that that she definitely contributed a lot but to say too. If you WANNA give amber more than fifty percent of the credit I still think I would have a hard time with that argument. No and that's what I was just saying. That's what I know I still i. I still don't think she's right. Yeah yeah so I think it came down to rob playing. Just the game not worrying about outside site influences just the game through thirty eight days even if it meant using tossing aside outside friendships breaking promises etc and then on Day thirty thirty nine. He couldn't game as much against amber as perhaps he should have I. I mean I have to think that this time around almost everybody will expect to be screwed over by friends and it won't have the same impact which will free him up a bit. But maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe they won't expected as much. Yeah I mean I think rob probably expected the jury to just see his game for what it was. I mean I think I wouldn't know I've never sat and those one of those three seats but perhaps when you're sitting there you think well how do they not recognize this. How do they not see that? I was driving force and that amber was the one kind of riding my coattails sales. How do they not see that? Why do I have to point that out to them? But unfortunately because rob was the one of the duo that and I think she's even said amber set set in exit interviews had more blood on his hands than he's the one that angered people and he's the one that got blamed for all of the things that made them feel really icky about the way he played even though the two who of them were making these decisions together. Rob was getting blamed for it and he wasn't providing an explanation for it. He wasn't saying I had to make the decision because she wouldn't so I had. I had to do it you know. And instead of owning it he just kind of expected them to respect the way he played even though he had he had upset a lot of them and they were angry with him and he he didn't give them any ability to forgive and understand he. Just I think thought it would understand it themselves without having to explain it now. Do you feel like that. Ah David this is something that he has already fixed. By the time he goes on to win in season twenty. Two who I it well. It's different by then because he's not dealing with people. He had outside interaction so oh he could more easily frame everything as a game and so it's it's like playing two different games. Yeah Yeah Okay so to go back to Boston. Robin in season. Twenty why did boss Rob Losing Heroes vs villains. It's all right so he obviously came in with quite a reputation and therefore target and you know he was able to hang around for a while even with that target. Eventually elite caught up jerome along with an another few issues. It's hard to avoid being a threat when everyone saw him do what we just described on all stars and the a question kept coming up such as Jerry asking will. Can anybody ever truly trust him. To make matters worse he was leading the charge. Arjun almost every challenge and they worried e would become an individual challenge threat. Ya At that point. So that added to his threat level and then he just got got out-schemed by Russell heart of it was that Tyson got out scheme by Russell prior episode. which in a little? While and that. That damaged damaged ROB's Alliance. He had to rely on others for trust instead of having Tyson around to do the bridge building and given his reputation and he couldn't do what Tyson had been doing now on the on the plus side. I think it's possible a lot of players this season. Maybe a Forgotton atten beside of rob that we just discussed the all star side of Robert released the details of it in how ruthless he was on the minus China side. He has new other reasons for big target like a big giant head So it might not matter okay. So here's Boston Rob. Now he goes on to win. It's easy twenty. Two goes out to the island of the idols in season. Thirty nine which of these things things. Do you think. Potentially David IF BOSTON ROB loses in season forty which of these seasons losing reasons they think will be the most likely that will say why Boston Rob lost. I think it'll be almost certainly. He's too much of a threat. I I know it's funny because as we. I think that I almost WANNA make. Don't be too much of a threat. The number one rule this time But because because it's going to happen tire time again this season just as a preview. Everybody's coming in or almost coming in with some level of threat he is is bigger and brighter than anyone. Else's it's I'd say standardizes close but he saw what he did if they remember anything they know they can't trust him. You know I mean maybe maybe someone like Tyson Control Tim but when you get down to the end can you And the thing is who who's GonNa Hook their wagon to him anyway if he is going to be one of the early targets his only hope is that all the targets targets the huge target band together otherwise. He's dead in the first two weeks. Yeah Yeah two weeks. I think I think he's also so going to be struggling with who he is. I mean he's Boston Rob. I know that sounds crazy. But here's a guy who's played four times he's been welcomed back as a mentor for an entire season season I mean his his wedding was paid for by. CBS and he's he's been on multiple TV shows and great for him. I mean he's an incredible experience in life but I think that someone might just be sitting there going okay I. He's had he's had enough. He's had he's had his moment in the in the spotlight and and we all know and Love Boston Rob. But he's not winning season forty because he's Boston rob so I see two scenarios. That might be a little bit of a little bit of a reprieve for Boston. Rob One Boston. Rob Is an all time challenge competitor and leader in the challenges if you remember in like heroes vs island. He could lead his tribe to victories. Where that really became a thing in heroes villains? He's so good at the on the puzzles at the end of the challenges. It's not out of the remote possibility that he could lead that tribe to a few immunity victories. Right off the bat. David that's one -Tario I mean. How many years ago was that and no offense to him but we saw him? He's got a little bit of a uh-huh body shaming on this on that shaving badly in terms of like in heroes vs villains especially they. Oh Boston rob on the puzzle. Will he is. You know the top puzzle solver. There is so when it comes down to it like I don't know necessarily you're looking at him like okay. He he's got the manpower to ultimately just be a powerhouse in the challenges but when it comes down to it at the end of the day at on the puzzle like like he might be an all time in terms of solving the survivor puzzles. Except for that time that my immunity was online and then no no chance they could solve that pump but but that's one of the one of his things that he's really good at solving the puzzle. So maybe it's not out of the possibility they they could you know. Send the other tribe to tribal council left council to. Is it possible in the meat. Shield era just. What do you think this could people say like? Hey as one of keeping Boston rob around. They're not coming for me. I think that that's a possibility but the problem for him is amber. And that's where I think. The Meat Shield like that idea loses its luster. Because if you keep Boston rob around Ambris still around as soon as rob and amber get back together Naggar dealing with two people and that could be to your benefit because that's two votes instead of one but I feel like that could give people pause about utilizing utilizing him in that fashion because they know that amber is looming. Call me crazy David. If I was out there I wouldn't vote Boston. Rob Now crazy rob rob I keep him. I mean the thing is there's a lot of meat shields out there. You can get one you. Can you can news one. That's less dangerous RHYS THAN ROB I I just think that if anyone one who tries that I think out thinking themselves and you know that could be an issue because I think some of them probably think they're really great players. Maybe they think that they can. They can out scheme and plot Boston rabbi playing with him that would be interesting I do feel that the sort of basic instinct of the players big game hunting. Go after Boston rob but I just kind of feel like that. Could you box them in. Could you sort of like no wh- what he's doing. And he's such a distraction to keep him around that I feel like that I would feel like that you know I would be able to operate maybe a little bit more freely and again call me. Maybe those Do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it but I would feel like maybe we could have some room to operate there. If everybody's overrated very focused on what Robbins doing. Yeah but here. We saw that happen on redemption island when he was out there and controlling. Everything and I don't know how many times you were yelling at your television television. I was with. What are these people doing? Why are they letting him get a foothold? Why are they letting him? Those were not survivor. Winners that were out verschoor. So it's a much different group of people that are playing the game but I think that the people that are playing forty are probably thinking that same way we cannot let him get a foothold because when he does this is what it could turn into and so I don't I mean it's it's it would be very interesting if that was the approach. Everyone took that we're going to keep him around because he's going to be a meat shield for us but I think that makes him more dangerous because the further he gets into the game the deeper he gets into the game the more possibility they're gonna have issues especially piece. Oh Great Puzzles which you've been talking about you get to the merge and you start. Doing all of those challenges would usually end in puzzle. He could end up playing a lot of individual. Immunities indies. Okay all right. Anything else was on Boston. Rob David Nothing. I can just get on Boston. Rob just got a mention and he did win the truck right. So there's that car curse way back. When will be at the night he did but he was why he lost that season with the car? We we got to throw that I. Didn't they used car curse proponent I had to mention it because you know what. He's he mentioned in himself. He's like I want a car and I'm GonNa win the million and then he didn't win the million so just mentioned okay all right David Alphabetically after rob who Who Comes next? We have his partner. Sandra Sandra wins twice and then nuns back for game. Changers why did Sandra Angelou's game changers. Well well first of all even in that loss I have to say. She's stuck around longer than most people expected which one me a ten Australian dollar bet for Nikai Danza which he did mail to me So what was the knicks pat that he said that she would be out. I E Either I or within the first couple something like that but you know she knew obviously she was huge target before they ever started the game a to the point that she knew she could have been voted out first. Sarah told Sandra after the swap that she couldn't believe Sandra was still there after so many tribal councils And you know we talked earlier about what Lex had said or maybe I forgot to mention it. I can't remember now. But the regarding Ethan that if he had made it to the end of all stars now LEX EXC Ethan was saying nobody's GonNa vote for me and and what LEX was saying was everybody will vote for your. You're a winner. Who made it to the end? Well multiply that. Times is at least two if Sandra had made it to the end of game changers because everybody would have known holy cow. She's a two time winner and she made it to the end so she would have won in a landslide. Landslide Zeke said in her final episode. She's the most dangerous player arguably in the history of survivor So all of that coming in but she made her initial allies kind of forget about her in part because they were the other big threats around you know there was Tony All all the other people there Tony of course springs to mind But once she got swapped that wasn't the case anymore and of course the majority and that swap tribe were already allies and they. They just didn't care about anyone else's much as her also both ASEAN Zeke's things in Web confessionals indicating. They would like to be a part of the moment when Sandra was voted out so it had come to some sort of Meta level the became a part of survivor history when it comes down to it. She was viewed as a huge threat coming into the game. She aid well well just to stick around as long as she did but she needed the luck of the draw to keep flowing her way. She works a magic with one group of people but that second group watched it happen happened from afar and they were not gonNa let her do the same thing to them but they she had done so many players already basically she was in a position Where nothing could overcome her threat level and so that's really a she? She did what she could. She overcame it for a while but being seen too much of a threat. The reason that you lost. Okay Well Jessica. I've spoiler alert. I kind of feel like if she lives at this point. Think in fact I think so. I think that the Barry a very similar explanation I I mean it is really impressive. How well she did in game changers on how how she was able to actually still play the game pretty aggressively and and make things happen? Happen and get people voted out that she wanted to vote out. Knowing she is Sandra I mean it it. It was an incredible thing to watch her. Still have the ability to manipulate elite people knowing the threat level. She was walking with so I appreciate that. She didn't like shy away from that. She owned it and she also tried to flip the two-time winner sitting at the end. No one's GonNa vote from thirty one twice so she tried to to switch that around and not say if I'm sitting in that of course they're going to let me win because why would you not let me win again. Because I've shown you how good I am. She tried to make it not work in her favor so she tried incredibly hard and I think did exceptionally well considering but yes yes. I think that season forty. That's going to be a just put that on you know repeat replay. That's GonNa be the same thing we're gonNA see for the reason why she's likely not inclined to win season. I don't want this to come across. As like an anti Sandra Take I'm an legitimately stumped just like what could she do. Like what's the best case scenario for Sandra I honestly I don't know I mean. She walked into game changers with the idea that she was going to team up. Tony which I thought that was a great plan. That's a good idea. And they were going to bring winners together. Good plan because of the only way a winners GonNa win. They said was having three winters sitting there so she was very cognizant of that and was trying to utilize that to to the best of her ability. But Tony ended up screwing that up so but I saw in this season. She'd obviously can't do that. It's it's all winter so that that's not going to matter. And she is Sandra she someone who comes in with that persona and with that back story and with that threat level. I really don't know what she could do. Outside of just laying there doing nothing and and not even trying trying to do anything I I really don't know I don't see how she's going to make it very long David. Do you have a plan for Sandra here. You know the rules. I you know what she's capable of. What could she do I think she has to do the same thing? I was talking about for rob. She has to find a way to get the biggest threats together together but the different she's she's a different kind of threat than rob me. She's not going to be out there making the you know the the big bold type of move sheet. That's just not what she does usually and I think per best bet probably is to do what she didn't game changers fly fly to fade back a little bit whisper in people's ears. Hey look over there. You know ambers here and if she ever gets to connect with Rob Oh my goodness there are going to do. And you know they're probably going to swap pretty early and often here so odds are good that she's going to be with our. We should get rid of her first. I something like that where she just starts whispering in people's ears planting Sandra seeds. And you now hoping that people will will join in that way. Even if they're not official league her allies if she can point out threats that are bigger than her. Are there You know maybe she has a chance Any class so you're saying that the channel with I'm seeing there's there's a chance. Yeah not a real big town guy. All right. Anything else on Sandra Jessica else. Now good to go all right. WHO's next next up is the person who beat her? Sara Sara yes Sarah who is the best survivor player ever. That's what she said in her entertainment weekly or is our. Et Canada interview A maple to argue. Hey she might Sandra she's number one right okay all right so yeah. Yeah as far as her loss in her first time our she lost and she one right right but when she was out there. The first time I'm it was a classic Christie situation from your first season which was then later duplicated by Dahlie alley on Vanuatu and several others over the year. It scheming too much by a player. Realizing they're the swing vote and refusing to openly pick aside Christie of of course was a pro by your two opposing alliances and refused to make a promise to either. So you guys realized that you were both vulnerable and joined up to get rid instead Well Sarah didn't manage to get to whole alliances against her but she did manage to get one alliance that had previously asleep been courting her and casts And so you know at the merge just to set things up here Tony at least twice ace. Of course sure to come back to him and swear on her badge but she wouldn't do it. She eventually said she won't decide until tribal counsel. Yeah which is never a good thing to say and she told us that she was in the best spot in the middle she was Sarah Sandwich. and which and meanwhile Casson Jeremiah kept pushing her to vote out Trish but Sarah and physical threats and eventually settled on wanting Tony gone when Her lions kept push in. She told us it was completely idiotic of them to pick a fight with her. I can do whatever I want. If you want to pick a fight with me flip over. Don't test me because I will put you in your place and send you packing. That's what she was saying Sears attitude wasn't just directed you know to a camera it is evident to cast and cast said who made her queen. I can't even look at her. I just wanted to punch her sometimes So Tasha tried to calm everyone down and make sure they didn't split but cast read that as taking Sarah's side and this was again again obvious for all to see so Trish Saad talked to cast an asked her. Hey who is you vote out. It made cast feel wanted and they all agreed to go after Sarah so that was all it took right there Sarah went from being in the prime position to being the target. Because she schemed and plotted too much and wouldn't commit suicide. She got too high on herself. It wasn't because she played like a cop it was because she she let the power go to her had Yeah ironically or cuisine She would play in that middle position a lot in in the following season game changers where she won although she just never got caught in between the two sides right gene. Hopefully it's because she learned learned from her mistake. Yeah I think they both just always always thought she was with them. I don't think she really like let it be known. She was still trying to decide. She just told everybody. Yes right. which is a a piece of advice that we all we talk about? We call it the ghostbusters rule. If anyone asks you if you want to be in an alliance you say yes That's right okay. All right so Jessica. We have Sarah back here. Do you think that if she ends up losing in season forty will it be for the reasons she lost in season twenty eight. I think it's not going to be. I think it will be for what she presented in season thirty four. I'm I'm shocked right now to see how many of the returning players are gunning for Sarah. Because they're actually afraid of her. I think out of all of the players Sarah Sarah in my mind really learned the most about how to better her game From where she came from she came back on season thirty four. She knew what she had done. Wrong and season twenty eight and she corrected it and she changed the way that she played but she wasn't so drastic about it that everybody noticed it but it was enough enough that it allowed her to get through. It allowed her to continue moving forward. She was much more manipulative and schemed a lot. Better she was much more secretive about her scheming so so she really improved her game tremendously and I think that's what people are so nervous about her coming into forty like wow. She really flipped a switch when she walked back in here and play the second time. I can't imagine what she's going to do a third time so I think she's she if she's in trouble because of aim Chambers Jessica. If you were out there what name would you have written down. It's all done. Ross gas you okay. I vote who you voting for God. That's a great question and I my way I'm kind of looking at it is that it's the sleepers. You need to worry about more in a season like this. You need to worry more about someone who is not a Sandra or Boston Rob. I think I'm going to hold off on. Who owed right down? Because I think when David and I do our awesome podcast. We're going to be doing some predictions but I think the sleepers are the ones that people need to be paying more attention to the ones that no one's really focusing on a whole heck of a lot right now. Okay all right I would write down. Danny she's asleep. I'm thinking along the same lines. Is that right down. Danny Yeah I can. I can understand that entirely. I am much more in the camp of okay. I'll work with the devil. I know as opposed to the devil. I doubt yes. I think she would definitely be. Somebody's like Hey let's vote out rob see she's like okay. Sure I don't care. Yeah Yeah I am telling her that would be rob him so you know all right but at least I know what he's doing. I have no idea what she's thinking. Exactly yes that's and that's the fear that I think a lot of these players are going to have walking into. It is if they look back at the Games at these people have played. And what do they know about these people and then moving forward. How do they think they're gonNA playing plane? Yeah someone like Danny. We don't really know we really don't know I say to him like okay. You want to vote me out. But I'm like I'm not trying to you out. What are you what are you doing and talk to her? Like I have no idea what you know what the lever is the push with her. So I wanna I WanNa hear what Rob's what Boston Rob's response to you would be in that situation as Boston Rob Aright. You convince me they'd they'd say I don't know what he would say. It doesn't mean that's what he would do you say yes to my. He'll say yes to my face. Ace Okay all right so anything else on Sarah that I agree that if she loses its because Read we read for Sandra too big a threat for this time out. David I do think a lot of it will be the threat but I also think she still has it in unhurt scheme and plot too much because this time they'll be looking for it and so it won't be the same type of scheming and plotting too much but I'm betting leading. That comes up when she gets voted off. Okay yeah a threat to it's scary. I think for the other players that are nearer that season. It's too fresh in their minds. All right so are we going from Sarah to her partner in crime fighting. Yes we are Tony Okay. All right her partner in law enforcement cops are US okay They're sort of book ends that he won the season. Isn't she lost. She won the season that he lost. Yeah Yeah and he had a short explosive. Oh sieve I would say Stint on gain Davis. He's one of the rare people who I believe he. He broke all of your rules. Yeah you know. Part of it was. He came in being such a huge. Nothing he could. He simultaneously did not scheme in plot. Lot and also schemed and plotted too much. Yeah you know he tough. Yeah but the going back to the threat thing I was about out to say there was nothing he could do about that but there is because even before the game started he kept ramping. It up he would he would Carry around a big stick in jump out of people at Ponderosa he Josh just mentioned this on Todd cast with year where he he loudly totally told him and the other writer. I hope I f some s up for you are no they. He thought I believe that he he thought that they would just think oh. He is rocky but no it was thought he was pre gaming strutting his stuff and then when the game actually did start took off running and cackling about looking for an idol and then he built a spy bunker which made it look like digging holes. I mean he was he in flames mistake. Yeah and maybe he confirmed everything. The other players worried about Out and he wasn't enough to realize he needed to change things up. This was not the same group of people and they. They weren't going to hop on board the crazy train train now but this is in. He seems to realize that now even with everything that I just said I do still think he had a chance because he had a good solid majority alliance of five big threats in a nine person tribe for about five minutes. Yeah and then he blew it up by trying to catch Sandra in a lie and you know he had two different people apple say different things to two other players and he should've talked to her later not jumped at her there and then but it was just another symptom of playing too hard too fast vast when you interviewed him. He admitted that he had caused Sandra to target him. In self defense. And it wasn't just Sandra either. Another member of his tribe whose name Macaroni Dimension said. That they didn't need a crazy guy running around and making them all delusional. Tony when he was cross examining people he would pretend to sleep and then pop up to look around and they'll all have kept contributing. Yeah just have you met Tony. I have not met Tony but I I can imagine. He's probably larger than life. I'd love to actually meet him but I I do think that he lost some control of himself when he came back back on game changers. I mean the running and cackling was. That was a lot in everybody watching kind of processing. I can't imagine what it was like for the people playing the game with him but unfortunately for Tony he was in a really great position which David's already mentioned the willingness of Sandra to work with him that really could have help them both go much further because that was the only time he really could've used his winter status to his benefit by sanders and other winter. I'm another winner. We're going to find a third winner and we're going to you know the the winners are going to go to the end together and they recognize that so soon and to have him manage to destroy it like we've heard in five minutes. It's really I mean. It was very very quick happened and then it was over was just showed that he really was out of control playing that. Ah that second time and I and I'm hoping that he comes in and it sounds like he's realized the error of his ways and if he can tone it down and if he plays a different game aim than what we saw I mean he I think he thought and game changers. He could play the same way that he played season twenty-eight but he really can't do that he was kind of a was interesting that he managed to pull it off as well as he did when he won. So he's he's definitely to flip the script entirely coming into season already. Okay David if Tony Loses in-season forty do you think that it ends up being for the same reasons that he would have lost season thirty four. Well I mean partially because the threat going again but I see the interesting thing when he was out of game changers he did his. CBS Post game interview and he said he was surprised. The rest of his tribe wanted to take takeout threat like Kim so early because he couldn't have been there shield forgot that he wasn't the only threat around and there were smaller threats than him but they could still act as shields this season there are more threats and some of them are even bigger threats. Let's than him so if he can stay calm he might actually make it. A little ways. the question is can he hide his personality forever. Yeah and I don't think he can't so it it might be maybe not all because he was a threat wrapped. He might make some of the mistakes that he made in his first season that he just managed to get past. Yeah Jessica. Who lasts longer the game? Tony or Sarah I forget edge of extinction who who lasts longer in the main game. I think Tony Okay David. What are you doing anything? Tony Tony I say sweep IT I. This is crazy this is crazy it is crazy true if you had asked me before all those first vote things came out Entertainment weekly I would have had a different although this was a question. I believe I was asked this on the of patron facebook Friday last night of. Who Do you think has a chance to be the seasons star on the edge of extinction and when we pick out those a little off the board I could see Sarah seen being good? TV on the edge of extinction. I could see Sarah Lassina going like full ream and not having to play up the social the game I think the Shia the I got the classic Jessica Lewis Catchphrase. Yeah I think that maybe she might be good on like. She might be very confrontational on the edge of extinction. Full ream that usually put on a t-shirt yes never go full rim. So we'll see we'll see that maybe Sarah Somebody's going to be the star of edge of course as someone is going to be the star. Yeah that's an interesting choice. Yeah okay all right. Finally we've won last person right David. Yes which I know my alphabet. Okay talk to me about the three season arc of two losses before a win of of Mike Tyson Apostol. Yeah he's another person who has clearly evolved over the years. Even my opinion of him has I didn't particularly early like him at first. I'm pretty sure I've told him that. but then him I mean he's Tyson. He probably laughed but then when I interviewed him after his first loss which was hysterical interview. I posted a link to it I am a patron facebook group At the end e forced me to tell him I loved him go tie I said he's like I love you David by Tyson. I Love You David as view Tyson. You know so so that all change then obviously Because you can't Geico back on saying I love you but I in in his first season Tyson told me in that interview. I was so bad ass in the challenges that I really didn't have to lie cheat that much Now unfortunately for him the other players saw that he also told me my plan would have been to win every challenge Alan Jr as long as it was a challenge that require small amount of skill or talent. I probably would've won. I think anything that would have relied on any amount of skill. I would've won on unless they had a roller skating challenge. I'm not very good on roller skates or the exact same weightlifting challenge where. Jt held up two hundred and twenty pounds. So again you You know we have to love Tyson. Yeah but but he lost immunity in a shuffleboard. Gatiss in the rain is why why why he was emphasizing the anything that had a small amount of skill because this was basically just random at that point and so oh he was a threat. WHO's vulnerable by Stephen Toll? Jt they should take the chance to get Tyson out so he doesn't go on a challenge winning streak a Taj and Aaron on their side and of course Sierra hated him so she wanted him gone he thought he had allies but they were more allies of convenience who jumped at the opportunity plus it gave them a couple more weeks of what they thought would be easy votes before they would have to turn on each other Okay so yeah so it comes down to you know being too much of a threat which I know we keep hearing but being too much of a threat in the challenge arena and like he said had he didn't lie and didn't strategize that much so is our own allies turned on him and he had one those first couple right off the bat never really thought that he was going to run the table potentially and so they got rid of when they cut. Okay maybe the more wants to talk about might be what happened. Tyson Jason Heroes vs diligent. Because this I feel like ten years later is still a very confusing votes to talk about. Yeah so here's versus villains to set ended up I asked him about it about being a threat in my post game interview with him and he said he knew that would be a problem but he was sure his charming personality. -ality would keep him winning votes tribal council and he did get past the threat issue mostly But then he made this huge huge mistake in Courtney's words. He freaked out and changed his vote at the very last minute in Split vote that was designed to get rid of either Russell or poverty so Tyson himself said on the show. It's not rocket science. Okay it was supposed to be rob Tyson and Sandra Voting Russell. So Courtney coach Jerry voting poverty but Russell told Tyson that Russell would be playing for himself in vote against poverty which gave tight sin the brilliant idea to flip his own vote against poverty to ensure that she would leave except accepted then Russell voted twice and gave poverty his title and suddenly Tyson was gone in his final words. He said he had nobody to blame but himself. I was the victim of my own stupidity. Now I said he mostly escaped the threat level issue but part of the reason season. He made this move was he had heard his own aim being thrown around a little bit which made him nervous and Russell's alliance was doing that to begin with because they had decided he was a threat because he could both perform well and challenges and also he was as he said a charming guy Plus Russell may have recognized is the position that Tyson held that we talked about earlier in terms of bridging the alliance gap You know between rob and others but really after everything was sudden southern done Tyson out-schemed himself. He just overdid the scheming and I mean it. It makes Steve in use of the extra vote. Look good by combat Jerry. How dare you you know I think part of it? Also also poverty a lot of friends on the other tribe and so I think that he felt like that poverty is the far bigger threat and also that Russell coming off the back to back seasons I think also was really coming off like he had was added gas even at that point in the game and so I did he. You seem like a less of a threat than poverty. Wasn't that spot. I think he just wanted to ensure that it was going to be a party. Who ended up going home in that spot? Yeah there's disagreement. He had his reasons. It's just he didn't think about the possibility of what would happen if you use other sale to stick to to the plan. Yeah Yeah reminds Def definitely who I whatever for two. Yeah okay all right. So would you say that scheming and plotting too much David. Yeah that's I would say. Okay so do you think that if Tyson goes onto losing season forty ready do you think it will be because he ends up then possibly reverting back to an earlier version of of scheming and plotting too much. I don't I don't know Jessica if you have thoughts on this. I don't think he'll he'll revert that way. I don't think he will either. I think the great thing with Tyson that we saw through the three seasons is his growth and understanding of the game and also the understanding of how he presents himself. I mean he's he's got a really big personality he makes fun of himself and makes fun of other people. He doesn't to people's People's faces but everybody seems kind of okay with the way that Tyson approaches any situation and and he's entertaining for shore when he's out there but he also also understands exactly what he's doing when he's trying to shine the light on somebody else or or cause people to to look at someone he does it in kind of a funny way But is also very pointed about why he's doing it and people don't recognize that that's what he's doing so I think if anything his game has has evolved any great way and he was a much different player. The guy that we saw plane the first time he played was kind of a goofy unpredictable. Little bit crazy although very good in challenges player and I think it took him the other two seasons to really understand the time we got the blood versus water how he needed to focus that game and we saw him do that and so I think he's going to be a great one to watch on season forty because he brings all of that understanding that he's now seen throughout the multiple seasons seasons. He's played and he's already scheming before the game even starts which I think is much fun. I don't I don't think it's too much I think it's I think it's a great we to utilize pre-game and it's something that a lot of people don't like to really have affect the actual game but the fact that Tyson is doing it. It's still very Tyson and you know what I mean it really. It makes sense for him to be doing it and I enjoy that. He's doing it so it'll be fun to watch how that has any effect David. How are you feeling overall well? Without without completely spoiling the all season forty preview on why blank lost feel a thumbs is upper thumbs down for Tyson. Strangely I feel thumbs up white strangely. Well because I think he's one of these people who also goes in there with a huge target honest on this back I think I mean he's not you know the Boston Rob Sandra Height but everyone knows that he knows everyone and from that. I do think that there's a big target on him from from his association with Rob. There's a big target on him on me from his associated with while I was GonNa say from you also and but he he does have the thing that like he said he is charming and even though everyone knows that he knows everyone. I don't no no that that will matter because he won't be with everyone he will be with that person or those smaller group of people at the time and I think he'll be able to hang around for a while. Yeah Yeah I definitely agree. Okay all right. Tyson heison on why the winners lost. No nothing Nothing that I can think of. Okay David do you feel like that. Those who did not learn from history we'll be doomed to repeat it. Among these winners I think most of them already have learned from her stree- tree Because most of them lost before they won. Yeah Deal David in all the years of looking at these things that for the people that return to the show do they often lose a second or third time for the same reasons why they lost before young people who have never won the game. I think the ones who I would say are not as good players. I mean there are some players anyone who has listened to you me for awhile. Know who I'm talking about. Who Play the same game over and over and over again and over again and they're never never going to win the they could play as many times as they want? They are never going to win whereas the better players even if they didn't win the first time and sometimes even even if they didn't win the second time they learn things along the way yeah and they can adapt and understand okay. This is what I did wrong. This is what I need to do. You know and those are the ones who who don't make the same mistakes over and over again Okay Jessica Jessica. I'm so excited to listen to the Y.. Blank loss preview. To hear your take on Adam Klein excited to talk about it. I think it's great that I will. We'll have an opportunity to talk about someone. I have played the game with and and root for him as well. But yet it's GONNA be. It's GonNa be interesting though because I think the being so new and kind of one of the fresh people in this group it might be tricky for Adam to navigate those waters. But we'll see and we will be discussing that in. I'm very full details. When we do our preseason podcast Adam call either of you for any advice before he went back as both a the cast member from millennial genetics and the hosts of why blank lost did not reach out you know? I don't think he's looking game for advice from anyone. I think he's the type of person that's going to go back and watch seasons of other people playing. I think that's what Adam ended up doing was watching a whole lot of Absa reiver's seasons. I gotta be all I think it does. Do you think it does help. I think it doesn't we'll see. Here's the thing in a season like this this one. You know that you're playing with if I'm assuming Adam was probably aware that there would be returning players. I think in a season like this. It can be helpful because there are things that you might forget about about someone and how they play their game previously. So I do think it can help in when you've got returning players. I think it might just kind of refresh in some of the things I mean I. I know just doing this and going back and watching various components of each person's game and made me remember things about them that I hadn't thought about in a very long time. Yeah it could go either way because because I feel like that also for many times. Oh I think I've got that person figured out that so many times like you meet a person in real life is like oh you're nothing like how you are on your season so I got different impression of you or whoever when you meet them in real life so you could get too caught up in you know. Oh I know this person because I saw them on TV eh well and I think it's a difference of thinking you know that person versus how that person plays the game. I would be wanting to watch it to try to get an understanding of How do they scheme and plot? How do they approach things? As opposed to the type of person they are. Because I agree. You're not going to actually have a sense of who that person is based on how they're portrayed but you might get a sense of how their game is going to be played. Okay all right David anything else to say on why the winners lost lost today. No I think we pretty much covered everything as far as Adam You know rumor has it that he binge listened to all wildland gloss podcasts. See see that's what I heard anyway. Okay it's also possible. I started that Tyson. It's great great. This is what I'm talking about. Great Room to start all right David. If people want to wish you well as you are continuing to recover from from pneumonia where people go on twitter. I am David Bloomberg just like it sounds No ashes his hyphens. Anything like that and of course. There's the patron facebook group for anyone who wants to join the RJ patron program. Okay and then Jessica Jessica. What about you if people would like to follow me on twitter? I'm at Jessica Lewis Eighty nine. I'm also part of the patron group as well. I'm on instagram. Occasionally clean out as much as twitter. I love twitter so follow me on twitter. Check me out on instagram. But it's at Jessica Lewis Eighty nine and Yeah it's it's great to follow both of us because David Bloomberg lexa postal out of southeast of himself. Okay sometimes I make comments about it and things so just saying and that's one of those rumors mercer. She started herself by the way. Okay it is. It's so true Jessica. Lewis Eighty nine the year that you were born so that's easy to remember. Remember yes nine. Start that rumor to yes just cameo I am not right but you know it's funny. I was. They asked me a long time ago when I was when I was on millennials or Gen X. about do cameo and there was like maybe three people that were doing cameo at that point it was very very small and I was like Nah. I'm not going to get into that. Now it's like everybody is doing cameo. 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No Buffs | The Whisper Song

The Free Agents

1:27:43 hr | 7 months ago

No Buffs | The Whisper Song

"This is war. Stop crying man. Pantheon go to war a sweet world and to no buffs the only survivor podcasts. That proudly wears man panties. Thursday April thirtieth were recapping the twelfth episode of survivor winners at war. So Watch your spoilers. I'm Jay Skates and joining us. Here by the fire. Tesla's yes sued at Tawny a beard one Trey Kirby. Ceo The international man of mystery. Taking it to the Max Leila's friend lease making the magic happens. Gd Hello there isn't here. We are back once again to recap another survivor. Episode will tackle at scene by scene as we do here on no bus but the key takeaway from last night. Peanut butter is the true soul. Survivor we start. Nate twenty-eight Post Tribal Council where Sophie had just been voted out. And they're coming back to camp. And everyone's upset. We get a nice little Editor breadcrumbs here. I don't know if you noticed the clue guys. Kim Falls over when returning to camp sentencing setting us up for what would happen later this episode. But WE GET JEREMY. Letting US know that Ben will not talk to him and then he's such a child and this becomes a running theme in this episode. Just Jeremy Letting US know that Ben will not talk to happens time and time again and Tony. Meanwhile he's doing. He's doing his little damage control because he surprised. A lot of people starts with Sarah who has absolutely pissed with Tony's idiotic grimy ass move and then he eventually makes the way Ben and tells him you know. Hey sorry about that. Don't worry I got an idol and then it gets pooped on. So what did you think of this openings? There was a lot happening in this first seed. I don't think I've ever seen somebody get pooped on by a bird at nighttime that must be the craziest thing to experience. Because I'm sure you don't even see the bird up there so that was surprising to me but I also love seeing the differences in relationships here. Obviously Jeremy Tony and Ben have a tumultuous relationship with Ben Right because Ben's just the pouty boy he wants to play the game his way and he wants to be the boss and he's having a huge trouble this season not being in charge. I think on the flip side you see Sarah Antonio obviously have affection for each other. They obviously like each other. She's saying if I'm voted out. Don't ever talk to me again. I thought that was hilarious. But by the next thing. They're basically back in cahoots again. You know they just had a falling out like you would among siblings and cops are us there back in action. I'll talk to you until voted. Then I won't talk a threat choice fair fair well. Hey worked right. I mean at jumping way ahead. He offered his idol to her. And why did he do that because because he was a because of his alliance sure but also I think the personal relationship factored in and I think he got spooked there that she was going to get voted out and didn't want to jeopardize whatever he had inside the game or outside the game so it was a good move by Sarah to saying Matt probably her only move the only threat. That would actually work. Do you think can I get sad? There is that he. That's his only real alliance tie anymore right so I think he your. He has to keep her close. You know going a little bit later. But also could he be going next level with that and knowing that she didn't need the idol just showing that he's also a nice guy that the jury everybody's on them but his is just feeding that extra that extra little seed the jury that Hang. I'm a nice I'm killing it. I'm killing everybody but also I'm a nice guy because it seemed like that was a last second. I mean she could have accepted for sure but it seems I don't know maybe he's just next level. Maybe I just got Tony on this parasol absolutely. I mean you're totally right. And it's it's it also shows a bit of swagger even though he was sort of saying hey do you WanNa do you WanNa do you WanNa but it's it's it's like. Hey I've got an idol to spare here. I can throw this out of the way and I can. I can convince Jeremy to not play his idol or two which is basically what he did and the jury doesn't even know what is in Jeremy's pocket but anyway that's jumping way ahead. No that's fine. I mean I'm glad you you sort of getting to it because I'm curious and this goes off to what. Tasr was just asking a little bit like Tony in my mind wants to take Sarah to the end right. Like he wants her sitting beside him. Because I'm pretty confident that he thinks you know I've got the better resume here. I did more in this. I'm fine with her here. The flip side is to Sarah also think that's good for her like it. She confident I could beat him at the end and if so what is she doing that? I'm not seeing you know what I mean. Yeah it's a it's a great point I mean. I don't know why Sarah would want Tony there other than loyalty right right and I think that Tony at this point in the game knows that he can beat Sarah so why not. I think Tony thinks he can beat anybody except except for. Maybe JEREMY WHO? He's using still as his meat. Shield right Yeah Tony to me is certainly in the lead right now and he has clearly the best resume but for Sarah the way she can really build a resume is to vote out Tony. Yeah so that's that's her huge move right is to say. I'm finally splitting with you and I back. You had no idea so if she is ever able to pull that off. I mean maybe she pulls into the lead. I think it's more likely that Tony would want Sarah next to him. Rather than the flip side yeah I would agree with that and one more thing. You said tasks you're wondering if Tony was playing up this whole I had hidden immunity. I could play it for you. You want it. And maybe that's a bit of show for the jury that's interesting because you obviously didn't watch one of Tony's previous seasons the one he won an you know he was very visible and vocal about having and telling everybody that he had idols and he actually would use it this weird way of like. Hey I've got one might pull it out even wear it around my neck my neck and you don't know if I'm GonNa play it so he might be setting up here to try that strategy once again now it's out in the open now. Everybody knows he's got one he might do this again. And it's that's you know that's that's a power play. When there's not that many votes where you can really confidently split the vote to flush it out right and I would say now knowing Tony's background as a cop and not knowing everybody else's background and they're playing history as you mentioned there with Tony. It's hard not to think of Tony as this master manipulator and using those those tools that he's got in the bag. Because I find it crazy that you see Ben. Trust him to some degree Sarah Trust him to some degree that he still has this way over people He managed to look people in the eye. Give him a fist pound. Call Them Bro. And still have that connection with them. He's it's it's astonishing to me as as a layman here watching but he obviously uses that and he's GonNa use it later on in this episode of which was another bonkers move. Yeah Li I do have a question before we move onto the next thing. Do you think that's good or bad luck to be pooped on by bird or Bat? Well I mean without giving too much away. It's gotTa be good luck really doesn't mean that was. That was a pretty funny because he's just like oh man he's looking up in this guy. Is it a bird? Is it a bat? But I think Tony. Though has kind of figure out a way to not be super close with everybody but also just close enough with everybody at the same time. I mean sure that that that would sort of gunning for him to get rid of him but he seems to be out of work. Everybody just well enough that they sort of end up siding with him in a weird way. So he's he's on quite a run here and it was it was it was another entertaining. Share with him for sure. I'm sure you'RE GONNA get to later on worry where he goes out to try to sort of suss out what's happening with other people. Oh spy nest the next scene. Let's get right to the morning of twenty nine. And we're right into the spy nest and these. Are you saw the flashbacks guys? I'm talking to obviously Tony's had the spy shack before which actually worked Intel. And he tried this spy bunker. Part was the dumbest decision to ditch. Mill bunker did not work out I was GONNA say I was GonNa say I don't know how he was. He said it didn't work but he had a lot of fun. Just having a blast and then so yeah now. It's this is the evolution we're up in the spine. I will say very funny scene. I love how it was shot and says hey man it's just me he's like. Can you see me yeah? He's not really pretty good there. But nobody's coming here so we all the time in the world. I love that seat. There's also the fact that you have a crew of like a camera multiple cameras. Maybe Anna Jim Guy all looking at the tree. That's how how can you get away with it? Yeah Yeah you really can't like you wandered up to the water. Well you'd be like. Why are there two cameraman and producer? I'M GONNA first off look up in that tree and see what the hell they're shooting and is that a man up there that Tony Anyway. Even if so you have to hope the right people come by and they have to be talking about strategy and they have to be telling the truth and it has to be their only plan. Yeah otherwise you're going to be up there for what twelve hours just waiting for every group of people to come by as they get thirsty. Greasy move but it makes for great. Tv It wouldn't it be great if he tried. Pooping on somebody drops a dump on Ben's are not white burn is weird so back at camp. This is when we get again already. Jeremy asking Ben if he wants to talk we get a straight up. Nope I don't want to. He just shutting him down. It is wild it continues later onto and Kim here starts hatching her plan. Try and split up. Sarah and Tony Kim sees this. Kim sees the power sees. The cops are us. I mean we're getting late in the game. If you've got a pair you are. You're looking pretty good. That's that's huge to have two votes tied together like that. She says we got to break it up. So she tells denise and then and Michelle and Nick Hey we gotta make a move. I mean we gotta go for Tony and this is Kim in my opinion trying to build her resume. Just like you said trade. You believe maybe Sarah. We'll take a shot at Tony to be like on the one that took down him. He was ruling this game. Now give it to me the two million dollars. I think Kim was thinking the same thing here. And unfortunately you know Ben. Blows this whole thing up taking it Taking it to Tony. Though ben does tell Denise Michelle. She's got some valid points so he sees what she's saying but ultimately is going to go right. Scurrying back to Tony. Yeah Kim has been on the wrong side of most of the votes in hasn't really done anything. I feel like to distinguish yourself during this season. We've been calling her kind of mid school mid line player. Assuming she's GonNa Surge at some point in you know. Tony just keeps winning immunities. And he's the guy that people should be gunning for but you can't vote them out if you can't vote for him so yeah exactly. She's trying to figure out some way to kind of gain a foothold in this game and just obviously wasn't able to do it. Yeah and it doesn't help. Tony Keeps winning immunity challenges as she was getting more and more frustrated with that though some of that may be her fault of course in this one and we'll we'll get to that Anything else from this. Jd that jumped out at you just again. These ideas Starting to happen to their plans well again getting back to Ben Sort of shutting down. Jeremy is this a strategy that I'm not seeing and the only reason I mentioned it is because of the way the Denise Shuts Jeremy Down as well like in tribal council right right. There's that huge like talk to the hand moment where I'm done. I'm not talking about this anymore. Specifically to Jeremy so that was weird. Yeah have they have. They talked about this and said hey that our best bet here is to not let Jeremy. Talk to us because he's very convincing or he's I don't want to be seen to be talking to Jeremy or whatever so ultimately I think he's just being childish in his because he's he's sort of admitted that he just doesn't WanNa talk to him in his confessionals but I don't know there's some there's gotta be something more to it than that because it's just dumb gameplay to me to not talk to your your biggest threat right and then and then votes votes to keep them. Yeah ben New Denise dozen but bend US yeah it is weird this dynamic between chairman. Ben Well I just think Ben's playing the game I think he's obviously getting caught too much in his emotions when you think back to the way he won his season it was just winning. Immunities and finding idols strategy wasn't necessarily there. I think he's actually been pretty terrible. You Know Jeremy is getting dragged along to the end at this point And maybe they don't WanNa see as be seen as being flipped. I read the Denise. Don't talk to me moment as this is infuriating. We've been whispering for a half an hour at this point. Let's go vote Fool I totally agree with you. I just I'm just throwing it out there that maybe we're not they're not showing US something or we're missing something Hold on hold on. You mentioned you slipped it in there. Skeets that Ben voted for Kim. Is that yeah? Get Rid of absolutely confirmed slow. I'm pretty sure it is it. Legit you can watch the votes at the end the votes at the end like a secret seen well it's on CBS talk. Yeah Yeah Yeah so so. Can we go over then? I assume votes Jeremy Denise Votes for Germany and Michelle. We know votes for direct. Yes Oh five. Three so yeah. Yeah up twenty-nine another brutal challenge on edge of extinction very similar to the large challenge. Now it's the coconut challenge and I love the Ethan's quote. Oh my God I don't want to do a tremendous got killed me but yeah you got a similar to the log thing like I said I six to transfer twenty coconuts from the other side of the island back to camp. They all get too far. Tokens I don't know I was. I loved the law challenge at the time those really unique for edge of extinction this is. I mean it's so damned similar. It was pretty brutal like when the tide started coming in and I kept every time they would go over the rocks. Go Oh God. Somebody's going down here. Like somebody is gonNA hurt themselves badly. We saw rob and fall and the Roxie cracks his elbow as he said but he refuses to quit and then later Danny literally snapped her ankle and half But she seemed to be. Okay just had had a rough all but Yeah you know look. I can go through this quickly. Natalie is Superhero. That woman is unbelievably fit. Like she does all that cross fit but she is a beast and then so is Sophie. I guess we learn shocking. Yeah I was definitely surprised to see both of them. Were so far ahead right. They said Sophie an Natalie. Basically lapped everybody twice. Yeah that's what I was surprised at. Just how how They all seem like elite athletes. The top five right like who is tough. I've again was not only sophie. You'll Tyson poverty and then Wendell just beat so Danny. Yeah I mean watching. You'll there was one shot of him and he's just like super cut is like damn. He's a sexy guy killing it out there. Yeah Adam. Adam wasn't killing it out there. No he wasn't with Boston. Rob like that was a nasty injury. What's the rules with getting medical attention? I mean ugly stuff. Yeah well you could see the blood pouring down his own. Why I'm saying after I knowing out of not knowing him personally of course knowing him as a character on survivor. I'm sure they're like. Hey can we stop and and bandages that up? He's like no. We're not doing that. I'm sure something like that. I mean he was really trying to send a message here that Hey Sandra we don't quit in this game. I had a Boston. Rob Moment Myself about a minute before rob slipped and fell started storming here in. Atlanta got really rainy so I went out. Close the door but my feet got a little bit wet and we got cement floors. I stepped in slipped just Boston. Rob Did my elbow went flying into our cement walls and then suddenly the same thing happened to Robyn. I'm like you can't quit. Man You gotTa keep going soldiering through this episode of survivor. You GotTA GET THOSE COCONUTS. GotTA FINISH TREES THIS EPISODE. Man. This is the end forty minutes left. Look a look a little dicey there for boy Wendell to Danny was gaining on them or at least they were making it. Look like Danny was gained. She was she was like stirred. Up sprinting at one point but Wendell held on so yeah Natalie Sophie. You'll Tyson poverty and Wendell. Get the too far tokens. Would you've got to imagine are going to be pretty damn important In next week's episode because we assume somebody's coming back next week in they're gonNA have a challenge to get back into the game Yeah a two hour episode. Yeah and in all honesty this as grueling as it was I thought the the production crew producers did a good job of keeping it interesting because I thought this is GonNa be more and they did a pretty good job. The atom edit. The did he did of him. Being terrible was pretty funny. Lots of great shots abroad so I was very interested in lots of great shots of the rocks. It was it was interesting as per as it can be for people to be running from one side of the island to the other you know. I don't really like watching the five thousand meter run at the Olympics. Not My favorite. I love every every every event at the Olympics. Give me the disks. But don't give me the long runs this somehow. It was fun. It was pretty good. I would also say that this is important because I'm more convinced ever that whoever comes back from edge is going to be a massive threat because there are thirteen people on the edge. There's eight people at this point before the tribal council So that's thirteen jury members. That's why rob didn't quit. And that's why Natalie felt the need to beat Sophie at the end there. They are all still very much playing the game and they are playing to their fellow jurors. And it's going to be. I will be shocked if they keep somebody from edge around for the final three totally. I totally watching. I thought the the rob portion was quite dramatic but at the same time. He's he's playing for for more than justice pride more than just the the show. He's definitely playing the game. It was important for him. Do you do you remember. Jd or trey. When Chris came back the you know the first time we saw this iteration of the game and ultimately one coming back very late in the game. Did he come back with some sort of like safety for a vote or was it open and he maybe one immunity? I can't remember I don't remember. I do remember that. When he came back he killed it. Like leukemia immunity. Yeah Yeah and he actually and then he he gambled him on himself and he put himself in the fire child which is a bad ass move and ultimately won the game. Because I'm just wondering as I agree with you like whoever wins this edge of extinction challenge to get back into the game like the other people have to immediately bond together and get rid of them if they don't win an immunity or they don't have some sort of safety like idiots if they don't do unless came in with two halves of a hidden immunity idol and he had to give one away and I think he gave it to Devon's who he was on extinction with at the time. Yes yes okay. So he did come back with something. Yeah okay okay. Okay that makes more sense and I. I say that they should all bond together and get rid of him immediately. But then again. If you're somebody in like you're on the outs and you're not within the sort of The alliance that's a vote and everybody out. Then you have no choice but probably the team up with a guy that just came back or a woman that just came back from extinction so yeah next week is going to be going to be fascinating. We go to Korou back to camp and for the third time guys in less than fifteen minutes again. We get Jeremy Talking about. How Ben won't talk to him thinking driving this home in this episode and ultimately they do have a very brief discussion. It doesn't go all that well later on. But then again they both are on the same side of the vote. We also get Sarah Tony. They're still bickering down by the beach. And we see mic in the background. He sort of leaves dropping a little bit. And we get a little nick sort of package here and I thought this was really really interesting because Nick is pointing out. How great all of this drama is for his game. This friendly fire as he puts it and that this is awesome. It's got nothing to do with me. They're upset over here. We Jeremy Ben they won't they won't talk to each other and that is followed by a very interesting conversation between Nick Denise Michelle Pretty Quick Scene But the three of them say hey like it should be us three. We don't stand a chance Nikki. Says I can't beat Tony's Sarah Jeremy. So Hey Denise. Michelle and maybe have a chance against you and I think we could debate whether he has a chance against anybody but at least I think this was an important scene and I am really getting this weird feeling now. Maybe it's my pick to win. The Damn thing is ultimately out of the game right now but I don't like it should be these three if they're smart Denise Michelle Wright hundred percent. I thought exactly the same thing when I think denise referred to them as tight three who you voted for. If you're on the jury between Denise Michelle and Nick Nick Get out of here but between Michelle Denise I wouldn't. It would be a real conundrum for me. I would picnic out of those because I think he's played the game. Well the last couple of weeks because he was in the line of fire what two or three weeks ago now and then last night you saw it. He's kind of just ducking away while everyone else is fighting. And he slithering through. I think he's pretty well to this point and he's kind of inoffensive like that like people. No one's got real hostility toward him right now whereas a few of the other players they have and so nick could just sort of find his way cruising along here and And make it to the finals. I sort of liked that strategy. That like you know. You're the guy wanted to add a couple of weeks ago. But now he's like everyone off mainland they're onto someone else. It's great I'm finding. I'm finding him a little offensive though. We'll get we'll get to some other many offensive things that he's done in this episode but in particular when he plays dumb with Tony that was such a great and Nixon lawyer. He's obviously very. He's intelligent he knows these questions. That are GONNA come out. That's what he does for a living and Nick just asked him a simple question. Hey Kim trying to come get me. Tony. I'm sorry ethnic what he's he's playing. Woody Harrelson in white man. He's just like Mr Lewis. Sure I guess but I don't know I mean yeah he's slithering by right now but we'll get to some more. There's some wild stuff I told Nora this what I just said you guys. I don't know I'm getting this weird feeling that we're going to have a nick. Michelle Denise final. Three and Nora's like all upset. She's like Oh no no not she she does anybody but the Lisi vampire only but Lee. I'm with you is growing. It'd be bored bored. We just because I find them hilarious. More air something about him like that task just alluded to was killing me. When he's like oh I remember all my when my would do not a good liar so screwed. I'd be like the nick out there except I'm not a sexy lazy vampire. Who did I speak to you about five minutes ago? Let me just see if I can kill some time and then just say any name that I know you're going to like to hear At least nick is Ben on the right side of the vote for the last four votes though Michelle. It feels like just winging it. She's like putting down a name. Maybe it'll be on the right side. Maybe it won't who knows but talking about inoffensive that's Michelle like. She literally gave away her advantage to the guy. She voted for entries. Probably Still Jeremy's good side so that is an awesome social game to me. Oh I G I agree. I don't think nick has a chance of these three. Like as much as I'm loving nick if it's Nick Denise Michelle. I think it's a fascinating. Vote between Denise Michelle because Denise will have maybe the better resume we know that big Sandra move. She's won some challenges but Michelle's got the social game locked down. I think a lot of people on the jury like her. Yeah if cut. Yeah I mean if it was if it was still a final two type of game which we know. It's not denise is definitely taking nick just the same way. She took Malcolm right yeah. Took a Malcolm out. Yeah yet we. After all this this sort of Nixon here we get a little idle hunting time. They figured it out well. Sophie said she had nine well. It must be an idol back yet here so while they're looking Ben in Tony Discussed Kim trying to make a move on Tony. That's where that comes up and then a actually before Ben fines right before he finds the idol. He does slip in that. Little Line to Tony about you know is nick with us or not and Tony is convinced he is. I thought this was a little fascinating. Little thing. The slip in there to Tony Knicks with us. He's Lazy Vampire. But But ben's little skeptical where Nick lives in this game at this moment. Anyway ben finds the idol. And like Tony. You two feet away from him. I don't know what and a half behind him. Ben I think just like his gut reaction is to try and be sneaky. Sneaky and hide it. And Tony's like what the hell are you doing? I'm right here man. That's not cool and like I thought Tony went on a little long like scolding Ben. For like how sneaky he was. No He's a talker. I think he goes on long with everything. Talk Fast Talker. I also thought there was like a change in his demeanor and his is like he knew in that moment. Ben didn't trust them. And then we see in Ben's confessional. He's admitting I don't trust Tony. And you know Ben is not giving Tony really any sort of any sort of go forward in this game you know. He's he's beef with him about. We got to try and get Kim and Ben still like no. We gotta go for Jeremy. Tony Keeps Pitch and Kim. We gotta go for Jeremy so I mean clearly they are not a hundred percent together and I thought that that really solidified it with Tony because you can just see the darkening in his eyes like that was pretty weird that you would try that right after we made up right in front of me and it is incredible to me that Ben ended up voting for Kim and going with Tony because all the way to the end it seemed like Ben was a resilient isn't cool man. This isn't cool. We'll get to travel council later Even production made some great great changes. It's about hold on. Hold on let me let me throw this in here. Now has nothing to do with this episode a great discovery for me on Wikipedia. It shows you who voted for. Who In last night's episode already? How wild we're going to find an antiviral medication. And now we're GONNA find out right after it's already there. Wow We then go well I guess that. Cnn's with them sort of making up. At least Ben Scooping up his bride Tony in and taking him off into the woods to have sex as I believe. That's the secret seen that you can also find. Tony was trying literally anything to get into. Put Down you're going to hurt your back. You're going to step on something. It's just like anything. Please put me down. I have to admit I thought they were GONNA fall. Thought he's going to trip on something new down but yeah the next scene. It's immunity challenge. And the twist of this one is tells us we're playing for two necklaces. I mean we're at the final eight here and we're planning for two necklaces. Maybe that we're helped or they're encouraged to do that. Because we've got four men and four women and it's going to be the last man and woman left standing there gonNA each win an immunity necklace and both to fire tokens. The challenge is to stand on a very narrow perch with your hand above your head. Which is tethered to a bucket bucket drops? You're out takes us through the iterations of this challenge. How it was so easy lasted for six hours for crying out loud. The first time they did it then they add the little thing you gotta stand on and now the new twist is. You can't use your other arm to sort of prop up the hand you have up in the air. What do you think of the challenge overall when when he said though doing for six hours like? I can't believe you were able to stand there for that loan that's incredible. I didn't think though it was as tough as some of the other ones. We've seen like what if you can sort of just hanging there but making it so you can put your other arm. Up is pretty pretty good there but of course when he brought out the food the milk in the cookie or the peanut butter there and the cookies and stuff. I thought a couple of them dropped white too quickly. I thought you can't. I can't believe with two like you were playing against you. Know the same sex of your full immunity. Yeah I thought there's no way they're gonNA they're gonNA jump out so easily. Knowing how far into the game they are but A couple of the gills when Michelle went and then came went and then Michelle. I think. Yeah Well Jeremy. Dropped Jeremy Drops I then touches the structure and he's got some integrity to them as pro-chavez thanks. Let me know man. Sarah drops next. Nick then tries to make tony an offer but he declines. He Says No. I want to win three in a row. And then yeah we get to the fifteen minute mark and pro. Temps the survivors to step down with the peanut butter chocolate cookies and milk. And he says probe says you will eat until the challenges over. Yes but he says as he always does Kim's like okay I'll eat she drops Michelle's like screw that I'm eaten so denise wins the women's and then Nick flips around and ask Tony for a token if he steps down Tony immediately says yes so nick drops and that's it so denise has one Tony One but I can't believe especially nick. He should have never been allowed bite of food. Because challenge was over but the three of them appeared to get to gorge a little bit even showing down on the bench SUPERMAC. This whole thing was ridiculous. I was like first of all that huge. Glob of peanut butter looks disgusting. That looks like what kind of fell out of the sky onto Tony's arms earlier in the episode. But then Kim and Michelle give. Immunity didn't bat stupid to begin with Nick. Gives immunity to Tony. That's stupid again with. And then they all get to eat on the benches afterwards after Jeff just told us you're eating until it's over as soon as those three drop it's over. This wasn't just disappointing to me. I agree listen. I like this challenge when it six hours long because because that's part of it it's it's not so much the holding your your arm up although that's you know that's hard but it's the out of the food and making deals with players and the conversations that happen on while they're sitting there with their hands up and they're they're dying and I it's A. It's a mound of peanut butter and some milk. I mean who cares then he brings out pizza and beer and then he brings out a steak dinner and then he brings out a mystery thing and I used to love that on survivor when they would Tempt people like that people who have been in the game this deep and they're starving and they're in the sun there sweating and it's just like Do I do. I risk the two million dollars for a mound peanut butter. It's just so much more dramatic and so much more interesting to me. A hundred percent agree. At least how I love. Having in every survivor season one super potentially long challenge. You know what I mean like. You're saying that could just go for hours upon hours. Now Look Jd. Put yourself in a producer yourself even probe issues like I guess at some point you have done some of these that lasts for ten hours. You probably don't WanNa do that again. producer one hundred percent one hundred percent. I'm happy if I'm a camera. Guy Stands at fifty minutes but it's just better TV and also as far as the two immunities go. Why Wha what's the point of that? Imagine if it had got gotten down Tony Denise this showdown that we would have gotten because they weren't going anywhere. Tony wouldn't even put his arm down because he didn't WanNa get wet. He was going to be up there for hours. Yeah not mistaken at one point party. Beat Rupert in this challenge. So it's not like there's a huge disparity between the two gender Yeah yeah definitely not was hilarious. How Nicholas sitting there nick? Or I'm sorry. Tony is in this challenge. He's got his hand above his head and he asks denise after it's all said and done. Please come help me one by one. But I don't want to help. Can you help me? Just mount believes and you mentioned the people who bowed out of this challenge for whatever reason Kim and Michelle Nick Kim and Michelle at least showed remorse at tribal council on Jeff. Ask THEM YOU KNOW. That was a stupid move. Twenty twenty nine thirty days in here the brains in in the right place. But Nick Nick in a testimonial later in confessional later. Kia bragged fire token and I got peanut butter cookies. Surfing voted out that he was fine. I mean vampire. Yeah but if I'm nick. I'm furious watching this episode last night because when they walk away from that there's a slow mo move it's a couple episodes later couple scenes later they go to commercial. It's a slow mo of nick walking by no shirt on and you just get a shaky boob in a shaky. Second God of the on fire right. I would be something like that before. He basically said imagine you grew up super poor and then you win the million dollars. You'd get really fat to respect man dead going there and that's great. I mean they're in right now so we just working he's working the TV. Or what a great move. This man is come on fifteen minutes. They're bringing out food. You can walk to the store and walk back. That's like fifteen minutes and then you go and open up your peanut butter. Anita like you haven't done it survivor. Challenge walking your grocery so but did you see how much that was. Sweating there as well. I think that's not taking into account on. Yeah Their Day. Twenty nine your dislike. I need I need something I need to give in here to a guilty pleasure like I'm willing to risk going because you're not even out of the game anyway. I'm willing to take that risk. Just to satisfy an indulgent here so I think that plays into it. I think another part of it to maybe right. I'm just trying to put myself in shoes in their aqua sox is you're like I can't last another minute longer I'm about to fall off this. Damn thing and denise looks good or whatever like just that idea of like. I'm about to drop like Jeremy. Benner Sarah so help I might as well have a bite of peanut butter. I guess but Nick Nick I assume was thinking because he was begging for a deal twice as you said like you seem like he was done at the beginning that's potentially because his belly was pulled him down. Listen I love is a nice guy very nice guy and I think I picked him as my winner because he is he is the Woody Harrelson. White men can't jump oblivious guy and maybe he'll get there but I don't get it. Let's get the tribal council. No no no no. Let's bring up the elephant in the room with this. This challenge cause chaos cast a former survivor contestant. She tweeted last night. She pointed out. There's photos of you can see and you could see it in the challenge. Why was Tony? The only person with a bent elbow in this challenge. Why Ninety Degree from that angle? It's definitely bent. But Mr Ben Bent also has a bent although the later on. If you from the White Angle. You See ben's elbow and he's probably a tall guy so that's probably plays into plays a part but his elbow was also best. So you think maybe maybe every contestant wherever they wanted to hold their hand a little bit had a little wiggle room is sort of what you're saying go straight up or you could. I possibly or finally set design made a little bit of a mistake. In Tony's longer that's chaos casts. Say and she's saying he was helped by production a little bit no way they drop a random spot so if if he had an advantage it was just blind luck that he got one. They draw ram spots. But then I assume they have to have to change the height depending on the person. That's a good point right. So she's saying that they gave him a little bit check check Benz as well. It's it's definitely bent. Okay interesting all right well now. Let's get back to camp figuring out who the hell are GonNa vote for? We get Kim Michelle Denise Ben and Lazy Vampire Nick talking about cooking really. They're talking about cooking. Because you know the splitting up Tony and Sarah. That's on the back burner as they say Jeremy is back on the front burner or still on the front burner. He's still simmering so. We're just going to get rid of Jeremy. I one question about this for you guys in this idea of like well. Damn Tony One You know Tony One. Another immunity challenge. We can't get rid of him again. We all want to. We know he's going to beat us all but we can't. Why don't they go? Let's get rid of Sarah. Yeah like what what I mean. I know they don't like okay there. Of course there's idols and Tony ultimately could've would've played one for. I get all that but at that moment. They don't know that or they're not thinking that like why aren't they just like we'll just give it to her. I think the genders are playing a role. Here I think at that point Kim Denise and Michelle. Looking at Sarah and say if we get down to seven people we have four women. That's the numbers right there. And I think that's probably low key a reason why Tony has been flipping these votes to get Sophie and Kim out the past couple of weeks once we get further into the season. That's all the men start panicking that the women are going to join up together. Despite the fact that the men are always together from the very start of the show trying to grow alliance. They're always so scared of four women alliance because we saw happened when Eric gave away his immunity in poverty. Basically played him with three. Amanda Right and so I think that they are. I think that just as the men tend to be scared of women joining up together. The women do know that there is power numbers and they could add up pretty easily. Yeah says at one point. I have a good relationship with Sarah and she is a number for me if I can if I can salvage that relationship. That's great but I agree one hundred percent with you today. I think that's your both right. I think Kim Kim has a relationship with Sarah and she wants to keep her around and she's just so hell bent on. Let's just get rid of Tony because then Sarah will be right there with me. She'll be in my pocket. I'll pick her but I really think they should have. She should obviously because she's gone now on edge. She shouldn't reconsider that and they couldn't Sarah and it was wasn't an atom way back when he was the one really saying pushing like why. Don't give it to Sarah like damn good at this. And and and of course tied at the hip with Tony. Let me get rid of it was like Nah not yet not yet not yet so. He got brushed off and packed. A you know had to go to edge of extinction so again Jeremy's on the front burner. Okay it's GonNa be Jeremy. Everybody looks like they're who've agreed with this. Michelle finds out. She knows this. Of course she's sitting right there. She sad that is going to be Jeremy. She's talking to Kim. Talks about this idea of like. I don't know maybe I'd try and help him out. This where Ben Ruins everything by taking Kim's. Let's get rid of Tony's backup plan to Tony. He takes that again to Tony and again they talk about. Nixel he where he lies in this game is with us is he not and you said already tasks that scene where he does the worst lying job member. Ben Says. We've just been talking about getting rid of you. You're the backup plan. But we can't get rid of you now because he won the necklace so whatever Tony goes to nick and says hey what do you. What were you guys doing over there? What were you guys talking about? My name come up. And then yeah. Nick does the worst lying job of all time. But it's pretty funny so Tony's now worried that Kim is going to use these lower-tiered threats as he calls them and band together and get rid of him and some of the other big names so he says this. Is Tony Quote? If Jeremy goes home were screwed and this speaks to what you said trae because the ladies are going to stick together and possibly use nick. That's Tony you word for word. Tony sees this like women's Alliance. Everyone call it. And then just bring it in nick and everybody else's screwed so tony goes to Ben with the one on one little plan and says hey I'll give you a fire token he starts with that. Let me pitch my case of why we need to keep Jeremy around you know. Come on man the soldier to cops firemen. We'll stick together. We'LL SAVE THE WORLD. We're like Patrol here so he says that to to to band and is really trying to convince them like we had Jeremy around. Is it so this is where it gets wild? Michelle Tells Jeremy. She's got the fifty fifty coin. Flip advantage and you know they. She gives it to them. Was anybody's surprised. She ended that over to. I mean not really to be honest. I don't think she has a lot of confidence in what it does You know things so it could literally be nothing. Hasn't been practicing twice once you're like. Oh yeah fifty fifty. Yeah so I mean it's just it's a good move for her. It's more valuable to her to give it away. As far as their social social game goes I think. But why why is that? Why is that the JD? Wouldn't she herself in case she needed it? Because you feel safe I guess yeah I suppose so. Yeah but also you know we've seen throughout the previous few episodes if someone gives away something. I know this wasn't like in front of other people so no one saw her do it. But it's kind of viewed as a almost like a bit of a Dick. Move to do that. You know like I'm going back to win. Sarah gave nick like the Chinese meal that night. You know like That's that's a crappy move because people are sort of seeing it a little mouse. If you like trying to show that you're a good person. Do you know what I mean. Yeah but giving away a reward is a lot different than giving away an that. The main risk that you that you do is that you expose that. I have an alliance with this person but she did it in private anyways so as far as the jury or anybody else's concerned it's Jeremy's advantage and they don't even know what it is yet. Germany give it back to Michelle. It seem like he was keeping it forever. I don't know I got that impression but I I don't know yeah immediately what I thought I was like. Oh just give that back door now because I I'm with you. I got the read that he was like. No this thank you. We do the one other thing before. We head to tribal councils. We finally get Jeremy. Sitting Down with Ben to talk to him and Jeremy. You Know Pleading Band. We need each other. I'm trying to build trust back with human. Why are you not talking to me? Like stop being dam trial basically. Let's come together because we ca- We let these other people get together. Then we're both screwed coming. We may not like each other but we gotta work together. We got a real like Kobe. Shack situation here in Germany can still win championships. They don't have to like each other but they still gotta you know. Trust each other I guess out there on the floor but yeah anything else before. We head into trouble council. I knew I threw a lot out there with all these like Tony and Ben and then Michelle. Jeremy and then Jeremy and Ben like there was a lot going on here. I thought it was. It was confusing. And we'll get to travel council in the spring and all that again but anything else to add. Forget tonight twenty nine. With Jeff probst we start tribal council by discussing this just the concept of making it to another day and when you do you can get a clean slate in this game. You know this is what Kim pitching probes into everybody out there. Tony sort of disagrees with these. Like actually it's like forget. Forget data day. It's more like our to our minute minute where it's always changing and you could be on the bottom and suddenly you're on the top and then tells the jury spills the beans that Kim Michelle nickel step down. You see poverties reaction. You see the jury's reaction that's never a good sign you know like they're over there basically running marathons with coconuts and they're like you held your hand in the air for fifteen minutes step down for peanut butter like what. That's never a good luck and the TASSIE set it like Kim Michelle. Basically we're like that was stupid. You know we really regret that now is just a dumb in the moment decision could come back to bite us in the ass and you also lay it on. Pretty thick as well railing. Hell we we. We are so regretful. I don't think they're that. Regretful and the whispers startup. And it's it's Jeremy and Tony that start whispering and Jeremy Telling Tony he's got this fifty fifty advantages you know. What do I do here? Let me these guys are. These guys are tight. They're honestly tell each other a ton of stuff here and Ben notices them talking and is seen. He appears mad paranoid. Mad UPSET OF LIKE HERE. We go again and then you know two people start whispering to each other that means everybody starts whispering to each other. Because we've got him whispering to Jeremy that Tony Sarah and Ben are up to something. Shady Syrah is whispering to Tony that he might be right in her name down. He'll need to play his idol for her you know. Nick is whispering trying to confirm that the vote is just Jeremy Still then. Kim's whispering Jeremy I got a plan I got a plan but we've got closed captioning everywhere so you can see it to say that you're talking forty forty seasons the figure it out but they saw you. This is an open ended question for everybody to like. Are you fine with whispering at tribal council if the producers are showing us? What the hell they're saying to each other. I totally am and it's kind of like a basketball game. You kind of don't have to watch the first three quarters of all in terms of all the the talk back and forth because lately in all the episodes basically that I've watched it all happens at tribal council whisper so if you're thrown in the close captioning it's fun to watch. Actually this is my least enjoyable part of the Of each other now. Because it's just it's just getting out of hand you don't really know what any of it means and Jeff doesn't really seem to care that he seems to kind of encourage it. He's happy to just let them go but it was calling it like a horse race but for for a new viewer. This is the only that really kind of like this. This doesn't this doesn't really add. It did that one week but now it's happening all the time and that sort of it's predictable in you like hey. Can you possibly really make any sense out of it anyway? So what what sort of? What does it bring to the show for me? It doesn't really add anything so I don't like it and it just seems to drag on for too long as well. And that's that's what we showing. It's probably going on for an hour or so at tribal council but You know for the TV show. It's a couple of minutes but it's just it's annoying. Yeah I mean my question is did they add this subtitles because the fans have not liked the whispering. This season is that did they go back. And Re cut this particular tribal council. I think that's possible I still think Skeets that I'm with you. I like the idea your idea of. Everyone has to remain in their seats. If you want to send signals to somebody or play broken telephone or whatever and that is your you can risk base. Exciting thing is like you have to be so measured with your words when you're speaking to jeff to send a message to the people you're trying to or to try to deceive the people that don't want to know what you're doing. I thought that An element of gameplay. That is really lost when everybody is able to whisper to each other so. I mean stay on those stools if you ask me. And that's never good in my opinion to hear task say especially compared to a basketball game. Which is the other podcast. We do like. Hey the first. Three quarters of the show are sort of pointless because all these episodes of seen lately. And he's right. It's like well. We just get to travel counseling and we all get up and just whisper in each other's ear and then we sort of know as as the audience or sometimes we don't what the Hell's going on but all that other all those other scenes all those other discussions all that other stuff didn't really matter and I think that's my ultimate problem with the whole thing. It's like even I get it. It's their only picking and choosing what they want to show us to make the drama and build it up. And and that's you know you're you're still being steered in the wrong directions on purpose because of the editing to make great television. I'm not an idiot but you'll lose some of that or it feels like the importance of some of that is completely thrown out the window when they're just allowed to show up there and whisper to each other about all these other brand new plan it does make it feel completely pointless to some extent the prior whatever thirty minutes that you just saw. But here's what I liked about. It is that I think that the whole thing was sparked off because Tony got spooked for whatever reason and he thought that Sarah was in jeopardy. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I think that's why he turned Jeremy. And Said Hey you still voting the way we. We've we said we were going to vote. That got Ben all paranoid and that got everybody Paranoid but ultimately where did the vote change or? Did it happen the way it was supposed to happen before they went into travel council? I mean I tend to think the former I think that it ended up happening the way it was planned. But we just had everybody just was affected by the chaos and confusion and the paranoia but ultimately. That's what makes the incredible part of Sarah not playing the idol from Tony. Like refusing it. Yeah and then. Somehow Jeremy Not even his damn fifty fifty coin not flipping it. Yeah like. That's the crazy to me that they ultimately really. Okay okay. No we won't play them especially Jeremy. Like even Sarah. It's not hers either like I would definitely be playing that somebody else's thing that they were playing for me in that situation if I really don't know where the hell the votes going. I think Jeremy did convince Ben to not vote for him to vote for Cam. And that's that sort of another reason why I think this whole. Let's SHUT JEREMY. Down and not talk to him at all was their strategy because Ben Ultimately got convinced by Jeremy. I think to a vote for Kim was his biggest fear. And that's exactly what happened to him. Yeah we we definitely see in the tribal council. Kim shook right like she she knows. Oh I think it's me you hear her. You know the whispers whatever the subtitles she says to Sarah. Look at me. Is Everything fine? What Tony doing and you can hear the desperation in those words. Dykes pleading to Sarah. Like what's going on. And then she knows she's tell us right when she says Ben Jeremy. Like I feel like I'm about to get screwed over. Might you two guys. And their reaction is not all that great She's like they sort of like You know like whatever but yeah they are and then yeah then. We get Denise Denise just fed up. She's got the immunity necklace on. She's tired of this. I think and tells Jeremy like basically shut up like you said you said speak to the hand. Jd that's exactly she's like I'm done and men that was done was intense that little exchange like Jeremy going back at her like. Are you sure it's not just tonight whole moly? That was wild to me. He's got a lot of swagger for a guy who's been on the block for the last three or four tribal councils right. I mean God so and then we go and vote in pro pro asks if anybody wants to play anything. Unbeliev. Tony's GONNA play that. There is no doubt he's GonNa play the idol for Sarah. He's spooked enough and her trust enough. You don't think so i. I don't know what this cop I don't know what Mine Games he's playing. It definitely felt like to me that he was he was just putting it out there to to appear to be in cahoots with somebody to appear to have the no but he says if. Sarah says Tony I don't feel safe. GimMe the idol. I think he gives I think he hands it over. Maybe she said earlier in the show if they're if they're voting for me you have to play your adult for me. Yeah as as retribution. For the move that he pulled last week. I guess they're in alliance in that way. But the the the relationship game as you said about Michelle earlier. She's playing a great game. I think Tony's just playing that up as well but who the heck knows. I'm just I'm just buying everything Tonia Sellin right now. Well then the more fascinating part two. Is Tony in my mind like Tony? Convincing Jeremy to not play to flip the coin to not play the fifty fifty advantage. Yeah like he he tells them he's like no like Jeremy of course like excruciating contemplation like literally just screaming. Doesn't like what I mean. Hell of a Helluva call. I mean Hell. Putting a hell of a lot of trust in guys like Tony. Benn right there but it worked out. Kim's voted out five to three. And we know that. Now Kim Denise and Nick where the three votes also wanted to note Tony Reassuring Jeremy Every time his name was showed up right like he's like don't worry like even when there was three names. Don't don't worry we got this. We got this and we did and it was. How does he have that confidence? Is it's crazy to me. He's got a better read on people than anybody else on the island. I think because it just seemed like we were watching a mob boss scene where he's sitting there hand on the shoulder of Jeremy's like it's all right. It's all right. The vote goes down agents leans over to Benny's like good job. Ben Did your job. It was amazing. It feels like that's probably why he's like. Yeah Sarah I can play this for you. I will do it if I want if you want. Because he knows she's not getting any votes. I mean she was. She was nervous certainly earlier in the episode. But also and everybody's whispering. She's the one that's just sitting there letting everybody whisper. So how scared was she? Really? Maybe it was performed for Tony to be like. I don't think you're getting votes but I told you I would do it if you feel like you need it. Yeah Rob Being Buston Robin Grease with your assessment there. Tony as as the boss Dude I can call them because you're spot on trae. That's exactly what it feels like. Especially The ben part. That part was so creepy. Bend looks like like you just killed somebody his best friend like what did I do. And he's just like it's okay my son. It's okay you're in. You're in the nickel now. Yeah exactly Oh my God. Yeah felt like that. So Kim's upset of course on her way out some some shady going on back there she gets lied to especially from Jeremy and Ben which really got her and she bequeaths. Her Tokens to the three remaining. Ladies there was one thing when you were talking about the women's Alliance that I went to sleep in their trae. Let's not forget that I don't have it in front of me but a man has won this game. What how many times in a row are we at this point the last four? I think maybe maybe maybe three maybe four. We haven't had a woman a woman win in a while and I think that is there is something there so I believe wants to see that again. Of course. Why wouldn't you. And she gives her tokens to the three remaining. Michelle Denise and Sarah and at the very least Tony is smart enough to look and say we know somebody else's coming back from edge of extinction who knows what's going to be so at the very least the numbers are going to be even Between men and women If women if a woman does end up coming back from extinction he's just playing to the next level. I think really right now and last last week it was really played up that right before tribal council. He went to Jeremy. As the sun was going down he went to. He went there before. Jeremy could have another conversation with anybody and they're just not a lot of time between then and tribal council but now that everything is sort of being decided at Tribal Council. I think from my my beginners perspective. It just seems like Kim went way too early in this episode to try and make that move on Tony and then Tony. He didn't wait until the sun went down. He went. He wait until darkness to make his and it's bonkers that it all came together to me a five. Three vote happened strictly. Because Tony in that back row as you guys said they plant them in the back row. I guess. He was leaning over Jeremy leaning over to Ben and made it happen like the boss. From that backseat bonkers. That was I was shocking to me. I don't know which one was more shocking this week or last week that he was able to do it. But back-to-back Jacks for Tony if Kim if Kim doesn't specially before the challenge which Tony up winning if Kim doesn't throw out the Tony Plan you know like okay. We gotta get him out. Everybody knows he's GonNa win. We got to get them out. It's a good question tasks like if she doesn't do that does. Is She safe for another week? Does this go somewhere else? Does it go on Jeremy? Does it go? Who knows Sarah for crying out loud is there's somebody else targeted and his Kim survive another week. I think that's fascinating. Yeah I think she definitely made herself target especially with Sarah. They needed to peg off. Somebody and and Sarah's Sarah is in back to the wall defensive mode she just needs needs to shoot off somebody and the other. Kim made herself a target. Yeah Yeah so if Jeremy Keeps this fifty fifty coin advantage doesn't give back to Michelle. That means the guys have all the power in terms of advantages. Tony's got the idol still Benz got the idol which nobody knows about except Tony. We think right. And Yeah and then we would have the fifty fifty vendors so the men with the With the advantages right now unless Michelle just gets it back. Maybe they had a deal it could blazer he can put on really address. It Up Shield. Yes Jeff I would like to play my blazer. Yes I'm wearing my blazer which means I you know any vote cast against Michel Account would be amazing if you could just do that on the spot there. So let's ask this question before we take away quick breaking a tree mill. Who's GONNA win this coming? Back Challenge. Let's just throw it out. Those make some predictions Lee. Who Do you think comes back into the game from Edge Wendell? I hope he can come back and win this whole thing. He's he's my guy from the start so I'm going with the big win. Okay okay task. Big Oh yeah. We have a lack of female representation right now on the island. So let's let's bring a female back. I'm going with my cross fit girl Natalie. Jd she she's your girl right under percent. That's who I have come back and win the game. Okay Natalie so to two of you saying Natalie come back what you give me. Poverty tends to be if it's an endurance challenge You know like a standing someplace sort of thing. She's really good at those who she also has fire to presumably to To win advantage. Yeah Oh my God. We need a list of the fire. Token like count. You know like who's got the most. I don't really have any clue anymore do jd. No Yeah Natalie of eight fire tokens really does Natalie has eight. Nick has four. Sarah has four. Tony has three. Denise has six so I mean par- Poverty four eight and four is the most on edge of extinction. I'm going to throw this out here. I'm going to throw this out. Maybe I said this earlier in the season two. I know bus can't remember but do you think for this challenge. We're going to see edge of extinction that the people currently still in the game. The seven people left. We'll get to a watch. The challenge happen and actually prior to the challenge. Get to put some of their fire tokens on people. They want to come back in the game. you know so like denise could be like. I'm giving all my fire tokens to kin or whoever that would be fascinating. That'd be cool. Mary Goal Yeah. Maybe you can do it secretly to like maybe it's not Ellen de- open or maybe it is. I don't know Y- that you actually the people still in the game. Give their fire tokens to try and build up a head start or something whatever challenge or an advantage and whenever challen could be could be employed we will see all right so that's basically the episode from last night. The next time on survivor. It's there's a hunt for something. On Edge we see that again and Sara's pretty convinced that Tony and her are sitting ducks that they're in a bad spot again. Maybe that has something to do with somebody coming back. We don't know so it looks like it's going to be an opposite Austin two hours. We have five hours of survivor. Lift said it's sad and Michelle and Jeremy seem to be making a pack to go after Ben but who knows right there are definitely close and you never. Michelle say like. He's like family out there to her Jeremy. So they're they're pretty tied at the hip to those two so we'll see how far they can go all right. It has been watching Tony. Call the shots. 'cause he's won immunity for the past three episodes which is something. I hadn't happened before so. He's always had to be scheming. Rather than kind of bossing people around I hope. He finally loses immunity next week so we can see him scrambling and scheming rather than just lording over people which has been cool too. But yeah. That's not necessarily the Tony Game. Let's see what happens when he has to get crazy. I just want yeah will he? What's he going to do with his idol? That's the most that's going to be interesting to see because at some point you're right trays not GonNa win a necklace again. I mean I don't know I actually bet on that. He doesn't win it again next week. Foreigner Rome channel. Be Crazy crazy for him especially So what does he do with the idol played on himself? Does he try and make it go one more week? Does he give it to somebody else? And I think the fifty fifty point advantage has to be played next week. Isn't that right? Yeah a couple of weeks. There's a it's going. It could potentially have a say somebody comes back next week. I'm assuming that's happening. We have another eight person Tribal Council four of them could have immunity. Which could be crazy right? And maybe I know it's a two hour episode but maybe there's a double elimination one night to right at one trouble counselors only that maybe could be could be. We will find out all right before to trim our quick word from one of our sponsors Markelle calendars boys. The survivor finale is happening. May Thirteenth like everything else right now. It's going to be weird because they're doing the reunion portion of it remotely. One of my favorite things about the finale is seeing. All the castaways all gussied up dressed to the nines in their best bib. And Tucker. Hopefully that will still be the case and I for one getting into the spirit. That's right I'm going to the black. Tux Dot Com to rent. Some spiffing duds to celebrate this historic seasons in the best thing about the black. Tux Is that they have an easy online ordering process. That brings your suit or Tuxedo straight to you. Just pick a style at the Black Tux DOT COM and request a free home. Try on so you can feel the fit and quality before you commit yes. The Black Tux has show rooms. All over the country. Where you can find your fit and plan your look. Maybe in a month or two Brian for now I'm sticking with online they'll ship your orders straight to you two weeks before your events so you can check it out one last time. 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So y'all top villains from previous seasons that you could actually root for this tough. I mean I'm going to say the Specialist Phil Shepherd From Season Twenty to redemption island and he was also in season twenty six fans versus favorites. One of the weirdest guys have replay the game right He claimed the entire time he was playing that he was a former federal agent which literally nobody believed not the audience not the players. Not even the producers. I don't think in the finale. They had somebody who claimed to have worked with him or a trained with him at some point. But I don't think we ever got to the bottom as to whether or not he was an actual spy or federal agent And he was just great television and the reason. I was rooting for him and I think a lot of people are rooting for him was because he was a legitimate crazy person or at least acted like he was and I think a lot of people wanted to believe that it was an act like he would go on these wildly emotional tangents in camp He would walk around in pink man briefs and dress shoes. Yeah he would annoy. Everybody Rob recognized that he was a clear goat. And so he took them all the way to To the end and he and the fantasy was that during that final tribal council he would stand up and say this was all an act. I just did all of this. So that rob would take me to the end and a and so they. You guys to just to deflect all the votes and actual jers admitted that if he had done that they would have voted for him to win but it turned out that he was just a crazy person to person but he was great. Tv. And I just loved watching him and then he ended up. My favorite moment was when he took those pink panties and burn them in the fire right before tribal council and it was just awesome. So one of the one of the other castaways buried his shorts randomly in the jungle and he found them claim that his great great great grandfather came to him in a vision and told him where they were and he just found him. It was just great TV. My favorite Philip Shepherd moment was when he was at tribal council with Francesca. And she's like the guy doesn't even know how to prove my name he's like. Yeah I do. It's Francesc Wa dot quite bud. It was just that entire time. That always saying the game is a foot. Game was often a flip Philip Shepherd. What a crazy guy. Who's your answer trae. You can't talk villains on survivor without talking. Russell hands the most disappointed I've ever been. Somebody didn't win his season but he lost because everybody hated him was despised by his tribe. Mates he would burn. Their socks would emptied their canteens. He would just berate them and belittle them in his confessionals but he was a massive game. Changer he was the first one to kind of figure out. Well they gotta put these idols out here somewhere. Why wait for a clue just went out and kept finding idols before anybody had ever thought to even start searching for idols but the jury was just so bitter with the way that Russell had treated them for. You know six weeks or whatever it ends up being. There was no way that we're going to let them win. And then he came back and it's like kind of like his act had worn out at that point and people were just like very bugged at him. But yeah I loved Russell and Ashley. This is tough. Like even Rob Sandra and poverty to me. Don't really feel LIKE VILLAINS DON'T I. I understand that they've played literally on tribes that were called villains and and they were paying like that and and they've played so many times some of them that it changes. I get that too but I just never really saw them as truly villain so johnny fairplay. Yeah I mean he was. He was basically a wrestling character and was playing it up in lied that his grandmother died And that was his conic move. Whatever had everybody talking so sure he's more villain Russell hands no doubt a couple of the others said but like there hasn't been I feel like the villain role in survivor has sort of gone away over. The last. I don't know feels like ten seasons or something like that Jd. I don't know if you agree with that like it's not it's not there is much. Yeah I think that there's there's less casting happening and more. Let's it's almost like tryouts right like the the the game is taken so much more seriously. Now I mean there. You won't find a A Brandon hands for example. Who Was Russell's nephew? I believe Who was an again somebody who was sort of not quite with it? You Nolan and was just there to sort of cause controversy late like they brought him on just so that he would be good. Tv and Who's another one Abby Maria is another one choose like obviously she's going to cause a lot of problems so let's caster and see what happens kind of thing but now it's like this person is going to be a great storyteller a NBA great player and and they're way more interested in people being out of their comfort zone like Mike White or Cochran than they are putting a A fly agent so to speak for sure for sure and even just now the way survivor you know evolved. It was back in the day. Was like how dare you turn your back on someone right like you've given them your word and now you're gonna be a someone that is mean and ruthless and like that's that's like you could cast as a villain right back then but that like happens every episode now and we love it. We applaud it like. Yeah turn your back on that person. Yeah come on flip on that. Yeah totally switch it up like now. That's encouraged so it's like that's not. That's not something a villain does. That's something that a good player does exactly so it's changed. So that's a good question. There Stephen funded. Let me ask you this. Do you guys consider. Coach a villain. Because I was doing a lot of research into this trying to remember my old villains and he was always listed but to me. He's just an eccentric and a liar an over exaggerate or an incredible character. Yeah he's like Philip really exactly. He's he's like. Wow this is a real person. This is amazing at this person. Says all this stuff and they believe all this stuff. Yeah but I don't see them as a villain no TRAE I. Don't I agree? It's almost it's almost like an anti hero right where you're like. This guy is just so ridiculous. You kinda root for him. Yeah you don't you don't get the guys who look directly into the camera and say I'm the Dragon slayer and it just doesn't happen anywhere. Her One more or let slip in here. This is a fun one for everybody who can answer this pretty quickly I think. Hey No dunks. I was looking at the rules for survivor. And they said you can bring only one luxury item with you during Gameplay I was wondering what you guys want to bring and why that's from Isaiah in Palm Bay Florida. Now I could be wrong. I don't think you can still bring luxury items. They don't they don't mention them anymore. Yeah they used to be a thing. I don't think you can do it anymore and I could be wrong but yeah they definitely don't bring it up but if you could and you could back in the day LE- let's start with you. What's the one thing if you're allowed to bring the island that you bring in? Why well sunglasses really I mean. That's yeah I mean. I never see him wearing sunglasses. I crazy I'll be squinting all day long so sunny's on bring probably probably three or four pairs because you might drop von Break Com feeling three or four pairs. You can sign it. Those are the things that really bother me when they're walking around. I'm like Oh man puts them. Sonny's on that glare is killing me. You're what Kim was always holding her hand up to keep the sun out of her eyes. That's what I'm talking about. You know like it's so much fun when you're on the beach but like when it's just so bright and sunny all day every day you just after why like Um you coup and and when you're talking to people think about tribal council you'll be like a poker player at the actually honestly wouldn't be having sunglasses on on this show or just it wouldn't work you wouldn't work. We'll have to see what also you have pupils man just. I think that you are dictated to your son. Go Cold Turkey. Go out there for a couple of days. You'll realize don't stare at the sun but you'll realize that. Hey these are crutch man. I don't need the window to the soul. Jd they say more than the mouth of JD. You let Leila's wear sunglasses in Vegas on our show only because I thought it looked funny. War I wore sunglasses a couple of times in San Francisco to or Oakland covering the worries remember. This incredible tasted sunglasses. Nah Hey the first three hundred and fifty bucks one of the camera. How good well. Yeah they were very comfortable though and And I did the job I was trying to. You know trying to work out a deal to them. But I couldn't couldn't get it done but okay so you're taking funds last task. What you taking. I'm taking my grass slides. Don't like walking on the beach stepping on grass. I'm going to be wearing those on actually do like walking on the beach. I would love to play survivor but now grasslands are a terrible idea just get sand in them really defeat the purpose he said. Yeah so when you take can you? You can't take a fire started right. No that's a good point though. That's what I would definitely bring luxury. Item is non clothing right. Because I'm concerned about the rain as my concern addressed you bring an umbrella definitely a golf umbrellas that are like seventy feet wide building alliance. Put up that huge umbrella like only four allowed in who wants to talk strategy now okay. Giant Gulf umbrellas lead sorry Jd when you have well I would. I'm not sure if they would allow this bug spray. That's the one thing that I would would hate about being on. Survivor is just getting eaten alive by mosquitoes. And whatever else is out there so spray. And if they didn't allow that I would take beard. Comb to comb all of the funds out of my beard true. I'm bringing mini football. Yes here we have something for entertainment and something that everybody can use. I suppose originally thinking it'd be nice to take baseball on Baseball Glove. But then what you just throwing pop ups to yourself on the beach with no sunglasses. Ridiculous me with everybody. Trust me a Solo. Glove involved doesn't do much during don't do. There's not a giant wall you can throw it to yourself. Danny's not throwing you grounders Out there in the backyard. Now she doesn't. She's not the Danny on survivors. Not really right now. Danny I thought about what you just pick their tray. That crossed my mind too. I like the little mini football but actually wanted something. That's something that everybody could use to kill time because that's huge. A lot of time out there but football were were apart from each other so it's difficult to talk strategy. Which is why. I'm bringing a pack of cards. Yeah get one. I WANNA play a million games with cards and we can. Obviously you can bond talk strategy. Still while you're playing cards so sunglasses on when you're paying playing cards haven't gotten a lot of strategy talk over there homemade checker game no rising. No you're right you're totally right. That's a great excuse to be together doing something with your hands but talking strategy. Yeah Yeah and just killing time for sure all right before we wrap this up. Mvp of this episode. Let's just go with that question this week. We won't get into who gets voted out or sent to edge next could we were talking about. Who's coming back? Mvp of the episode tasks. When you start giving us went to Tony for all the reasons that we've mentioned but I want to add this. One in there was a a scene going to commercial where he was eating a coconut. And it wasn't just a regular coconut. He had somehow shredded coconut within the coconut and it looked appetizing. And that's such a skill. Half of eating is just how it looks as I wouldn't key presentation very key. I wouldn't be into just biting into coconut but if it was shredded like that. Tony I found. I know that you're talking about. I think that was rice cooking. It wasn't we would have. I don't know how he was. It was almost like the shaved ice shaved. You're right I kept going back. Wondering how the heck did he do that and kept asking Daniel my wife who is chef and she still had no idea so. I was I was very confused. You made it looked so great but I guess they do eat. Rice is that part of that the menu that is the menu rice. It's the only thing racing anything they catch interesting old rice coconut Lee. What about your MVP? I'm GONNA with Nick. I thought he played this week. Perfectly by not really being in trouble. He worked the deal to get the peanut butter and it didn't cost him anything and he's kind of just flying under the right eye right now so the Lazy Vampire for me is in pole position to make a move and I think it was a good week for him okay. Jd Yeah. I mean it's it's obviously Tony. But if if Tony or Sarah don't go home next week. I will be shocked because there obviously in control but tiny has another immunity though. It doesn't need the hidden. Money SKIRT SHARE DOES. But you can get voted out with an idol in your pocket. I got a great read on People. So that would be surprising. Yeah you're you're not real maybe multiple limitations next week right. Be Probably Yeah. Yeah we're getting to for sure. I mean I would think trae. Mvp this one. I mean Tony for me is the MVP. He's putting together a case for being on the Mount Rushmore survivor. People's off within this season. No doubt about it but second EP. I'll give it to Jeremy you know. He's been in the crosshairs the past three weeks but he keeps figuring out a way to bury the hatchet with people he needs to convince people to Hook them up with advantages. You know he was smart enough to not play the fifty fifty which may be means he can keep Michelle on his side by giving it back to her or maybe. He's just one himself an advantage by tricking her and stealing. I think he's done a good job of being in the crosshairs but still wait for it surviving. Hey you're so right I mean he. Everybody unanimously everybody. Says he's the biggest threat in the game and there's a reason for that that we haven't really seen because he's been on the bottom and he still survives being on the bottom this whole time now. Is it Tony? That's basically using him as Mitchell. I mean that is definitely part of it. Like he is he's like going bodysurfing with Tony in shark-infested waters but he's Bodysurfing but Tony is surfing on top of Jeremy. Think that's what it is for me so well put. That's that's a fun question. If it's Tony Jeremy. And let's say. Just throw a nick in there at the end. Somebody that we don't think could win. Who Wins the vote then? If if between Jeremy and Tony it's interesting because a lot like we look back at last week that the Tony episode quote unquote is a lot stuff. That happened that the jury might not realise or the whole jury might not realize the whole extortion thing. And the fact that he had found the the the and And there was just a lot of stuff that I don't think everybody knows that Tony's done other than dominating they I don't think they realized the scope that he's dominating on an an and Jeremy is such a well liked guy and So yeah I mean I would say Tony but who knows yeah I just I just don't see both of them sitting there at the end because the other one will be like. I need to get rid of you right like it'd be weird if I know they're doing it now especially Tony with Jeremy like throwing them the olive branch and saying I got you. Man Don't use that thing. We're we're fine. We're good at some point here very shortly. Like they're gonNA they're gonNA take a shot at each other I just. They're not dumb. I mean right like basically. They're like opening up themselves to a two million dollar paycheck. If they get rid of the other person I've made maybe So we'll see I like a Co. Mvp FOR ME. Just quickly to Jeremy and Sarah for having the ball hits you somehow you know not have to play their child. Dir advantages be hit the idol from Tony or the fifty fifty coin. I just couldn't believe both of them. Were like no feel pretty good and we're fine somehow. Got Out of there not hit all right. That's it for today. Show get your questions in for next week no buffs episode email dunks Dot Com. Make sure you throw survivor in the subject. It's fun survivor questions. Keep coming reminder later tonight on Thursday lately tonight. Lee Has a one on one interview with Bob Costas of Australian Sports Bruce Kathy so that should be fun. You pump for that one really I am. This is going to be the first ever Bruce Lee episode we've had on. Are you GonNa be wearing sunglasses when you interview? Yeah I think so I think so I I feel comfortable so I would probably be wearing them to at and later be beautiful sunny morning. Cy One okay. All right excellent. That's leader on Thursday night on Fridays film session. We locked it in. We told you already reviewing the nineteen eighty-five Basketball Movie Teen Wolf starring Michael J. Fox a team. Lotta Sunglasses wearing in that movie on a Sunglass Kids Online. Okay now. Don't make sense all right. Let's call it there until next time. The tribe is spoken.

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Survivor 40 Roundtable #4: Previewing Tony, Natalie, Jeremy, and Sarah

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Survivor 40 Roundtable #4: Previewing Tony, Natalie, Jeremy, and Sarah

"Hey everybody everybody. What's going on rob sister? No here and we are back with a another survivor. A round table here roundtable number four and I'm so excited because this is the day that the survivor cast has dropped officially so we have so much to talk talk about and so much to look at here today with our panel as we are going to be talking about the survivor class of twenty fourteen. We're GONNA be talking about Tony and Sarah and Jeremy and Natalie here with this panel. Let's let's meet everybody year. Who's with us today? Of course very very excited to have with us to talk some survivor. Here is Jenny Autumn. Jenny how are you. I'm great with you guys last week for the circle podcast and I was sick then. I'm still sick but I'm improving. So why do talking survivor. And I'm glad that we got some more sodas and bias today so rate photos to talk about that. We are very excited to have here with us us on a roundtable. The Great Haley strong is here. Haley how are you. I'm doing well. I can't believe you invited me to one of these to bring down the knowledge and the reputation of this entire podcast network. Who's your person tonight? We're going to talk about. Do you have a favorite of the four that we're gonNA talk about Jenny. I love my favorite answer right. I see you want my personal rankings right now or going Natalie. Jeremy Tony's Era Natalie. Jeremy Tony Sarah Okay. All right of course finding very with with us here. A man who has already changed his phone wallpaper to season forty photos. Here is Matt. LA- Gory Matt how are you. This is the hottest cast ever and these pictures today just took my breath away and not make one hottest are every single one of them most the medical i these pictures for great. I'm so excited that we got these today. This is going to be a Lotta Fun. Yeah and we have of course with us a usually we get to talk big brother with him but he's here to talk some survivor. Here is Brent. Walkabout Bredhauer you. I N very psyched to be here. It's fun to just relax accent. Take it easy and talk with the survivors. See this is the best time to talk with me before. The show is started inserts to irritate me. I feel like rob. That's just a general rule. Okay I would say that I was GonNa ask you prefer introduced survivor. Have Annie Liebowitz on location to do all of these press photo. Save Look Amazing. I like the actually put in the money for this because like mad said literally everybody almost everybody looks amazing thing change since the the yeah the multiple fits yeah. It was good. It was really good. Okay so all right. So we'll see how long this show goes before Brent Gets Real Shady and tells us who the worst cast photo. We'll see if we get talking about tonight agency to do the critiques of the photo. We'll do that. That's a couple of weeks. We are going to talk about these four players but of course we want to hear from you that we have our youtube open open. We have or on periscope where on facebook we're on twitch we're streaming live and of course many of you guys are listening to the podcast after the fact if you want to join us for one more roundtable roundtable talking about survivor. I will be back on Monday night with one final panel. We're GONNA talk about all the one time players. Who won in the thirties thirties? That's GonNa be Michelle and Adam and nick in Wendell and Ben Coming up on Monday. Nights have been looking for that and then we will have when you're gonNA miss the Bachelor to podcast survivor early early seven. PM Eastern Four PM Pacific. So we that's beyond look for that so good a good reminder finder Haley on Thursday night. We'll have our final circle round table talking about episodes nine ten eleven twelve of the circle coming up tomorrow tomorrow night. That's going to be at nine PM. Eastern six AM civic. If you want to join us live for that. Had A lot of fun on our circle round tables. The last couple of weeks journey made such an impression on Tim I. He made such an impression on me like just so much. It's always better to even just talk to him like on a podcast. Awed cast besides just watching how amazing he is on the circle Andy. No I'm flattery. Gets you a lot of places in the very fact that that Tim would catfish as me. He's my new favorite person to be starting like almost immediately after that. PODCAST I got. He like liked liked a photo of mine from like a couple months ago. So I took a screen shot. And I'm like he's already scouting. Founded fishing says okay all right matt a Lotta stuff dropped today. Can you give us the rundown of everything that survivor fans were able to check out today. From what what I saw we got. Obviously the Casto's came out today. which for me that was like the most anticipated thing that I cannot wait for CASS photos? It's just you want to see these people like updated pictures you want to see them right before they're about to play the game what they looked like what they're wearing and a lot of them are wearing things pretty similar to what they were last time. which isn't a surprise? But we got that We got a at the beginning the interviews we got the candidate interviews of course Spent a good majority of the day watching some of those and we also got I think just a couple of other interviews news Jeff was talking about the twist and whatnot so a pretty fun day and I don't know why I didn't see it coming because the circles and the way. It was a lot of a lot of stuff today kinda snuck up on us. The Canada has twenty interviews up with the cast. They are linked. The they are real real good interviews around seven in eight minutes each so great place to spend some time as we are getting closer and closer to the premiums are BIOS as well but we also learned today. Some more about the Fire Tokens Dalton. Ross had an interview with Jeff probst. And I'm so excited we have this panel here to explain blamed me I get the fire tokens looking me. Fun Attempt to explain the from what I understand. That's a fire token okay. Everybody gets a gets chimp here. All right here's your fire token brand and you get voted out. And you give your fire tokens to somebody else but then people on the edge of extinction that are doing something. They're they're buying stuff for the book but they don't have fire tokens. So how Kim all the way. Yeah how do the people on the edge of extinction do they just have the stuff at them they can win them. They can earn them in different tasks or whatever they're going to keep them busy with. Is that what it is or no. That's like when and you said that rob I like instant flashback. Highway to heaven where like you. Johnson has the stuff you know. It's such a terrible reference like such an eighties reference like anyway. stuffer I admire tokens though. That's that's the way my question is like we're we're going to do this with forty five minute episodes as well like people extinction check ins. Yeah I we're waiting for the surprised that that's not the case. We can only hope that the like. Hey you've checkout. CBS All access for to see how this weeks edge of extinction ended up playing out. And we end up getting more of that on at least where we can see it and have a chance to understand. Because I Haley also then the people on the edge of extinction. They need to fire tokens because they are purchasing things that are going to make it easier for them to get back into the game. I thought at first like Oh that whoever has the most fire tokens on the edge of extinction is going to be who gets back in the game but I guess they're buying then things that will help make it easier for them to win the edge of extinction challenge. I am truly confused right now. We all the reason. Are they doing this. And I think there's a lot of people feel like okay. Well this seems like it's interesting. We don't know how they're going to pull it off. We we don't know necessarily going to feel like they're based on this description they obviously they've already tested edge of extinction on another season but they didn't want to test this on another season. Just leave everything alone but they should have done with season forty. It was just one world. Ed have everyone in one beach and call it a day. Hey how fun. Everyone will see us down so you feel like that. That would have been better. Where then you could have had robin amber interacting and then all that well I think that they want the eastern would vote me out in an instant? If you had a chance also evens ends on. And we'll probably do. He would mean he'd be like Hey. He's an honor to new still be like mad. Have we learned anything anything interesting from any of the people that we're not gonNA talk about here tonight. You I get any interesting tidbits from any of the interviews that you came across today. Everyone has kids. Yeah kids. They're all I'm so sad. I'm going to cry out here. Leave my kids at home and unlike first of all I mean very much appreciate at the mall leaving their kids at home to come out here played this like epoch season. You know if if anyone didn't come out because of that it would have been pretty disappointing as a fan Dan but glad that they all made it out. What did we take away? Leaving your kids to go play. Survivor is not a bug. It's a feature de eh calling the desire to go play survivor until I had kids. And there's a way what nine days at the house. Well and with all of them almost all of them in this situation now it really kind of weakens that story where where it's like. Oh I'm doing this for my family like everyone. Everyone almost everyone on this cast is apparent and has a family to provide for at this point. So it's a popular story. Orient this point with this cast like when when our youngest player is twenty eight Avonlea all like reality casts where like this like the you know the the twenty eight to forty eight range would be a lot better but may main takeaway that involve somebody not being talked about tonight. Is that the one person that I think was brought up the most time. That really needs to look out which you discussed her already. Kim Spradlin's name was in everybody's mouth rattling. Are you buddy. Had the interviewer ESA question about. who was the most impressive winner? Who played the most impressive game? Like if it's not you and of course the name that POPs in everybody's everybody's mind people said. Sandra people said a couple of other names but Kim of course came up a lot. So your fault you have been hyping the ears ruining ruining this for me. The number one kms Dan on earth is she is i. I am on a ladder to European. Is I really think that would be the case. I really thought that her win was far enough away. That people forget how dominating performance such she had so to hear her so she's GonNa stay based on that and there was also a lot of talk from the bigger threats. They all are acknowledging the fact that we're big players we need to stick Dick Together so I do think that there's enough of them that hopefully they will take that and say all right. I need these people around me. Otherwise it's going to be game changers where we all go home early and everybody else has a party i. I know that we're not talking about Tyson tonight. But Tyson's interview was terrible mazing. I don't know why I forget that from time to time. But once he hits that island he's he just has been cracking someone that I've actually like you know like in the previous weeks. Excuse sometimes forgot when I was thinking about people which is like insane because he's one of my favorites and I think that that says something like the fact that there's just so many big names that you can possibly forget. Tyson is just an incredible and his his interview was a must watch so good I want him credit to the Interviewer for et Canada. That was somebody that I was not familiar with. Her name is Sanjay Gupta Patel. I'm Uh not one hundred percent sure that I'm pronouncing that correctly but I do want to give her credit but she did a really great amazing. Yeah great candidate usually sends like Orissa down there but Orissa it was sent down somebody. Who is you could tell? She was a big fan so she did great. Yup Okay I also one of the takeaway that I had was. I haven't got through all the videos yet but I was watching amber. Do her interview. And I thought on the subject of Sandra and I think a lot of US assumed. Okay well Robin Sandra are going to be sort of like joined joined. At the hip went through season. Thirty nine together amber talks about how Like G Verena Robin. I both don't really know how to approach Sandra. And we'd be Kinda kind of happy if she got voted out there so for all of us. Were assuming okay. Well Robin Sandra that is sort of like an unbreakable. Payer don't necessarily assume Brent well I would have definitely assumed that in fact I rob a Boston rob like his tentacles. Get into so many people He has the Kevin Bacon game where you know how many people are related to Boston. Rob On this cast in some way shape or form so I would have thought that amber and Sandra would have worked together. Maybe I'm hoping that maybe once they talk that can change. Because I don't want to see that I would like to see the marched together but that's my preference okay. Sounds like rob scared from spending thirty and thirty nine again thinking. She's she's she does not stop it doesn't it doesn't stop here. I'm thinking it's not really It's probably more like Sandra was. Maybe a little bit of a diva and he was like through there so I I don't know I love you Sandra all right. Let's talk about our people that we're going to get into from the two seasons that we're going to talk with people people from season two thousand eight and season twenty nine and recently. I ranked the ten years of the last decade based on what we're the best years of survivor and number one on my list was two thousand fourteen where we got to see survivor. COGGIN and survivor San Juan del Sur. and to me that was when we first started up Patriot was my first season as a full-time podcast. Or I love everything survivor from twenty fourteen. And so I'm very excited to have this episode. We're talking about all these people that we got to meet at least survivor and case of Natalie. We met her earlier on the amazing race but we met her as the survivor. Ever in twenty four teen okay. But let's start up. Let's talk about Tony First and then Tony will give way to Sarah. And then we'll talk about Jeremy and Natalie second but here comes. Tony and Tony's had such an interesting survivor journey where he had his season in in survivor. Kagi on season. Twenty eight where he was everywhere. And then we had Tony Game Changers. Who is a blip on the radar but amazingly Singley? It's the same distance away from where we met Tony for one night in game changers from now to where Tony played from season. Twenty the eight to thirty four six seasons in between every three years. We get to see Tony pop up and so hopefully this time around. It will be for more than just one night matt. Did you feel like that Tony that you saw today. Seemed like he might be in a different place than Tony. From game. Changers the one hundred percent the way that he described his game plan going into the season was. He said he doesn't have a plan. He said I'm not thinking about any strategies. Last time I came in and I said Oh yeah I'm going underground underground. I'm going to take this spy shack and make it a spy bunker. We were all like Oh that sounds like a lot of fun. He had that strategy with his rocks that he had once. My wife wants my kid. And I'm GONNA lowney right. And he was gonNA those we're going to represent his family and he was going to use that to gain trust. He said it sounds like all that's out the window and he's going in with just a different mindset of. Oh I'm going to see what what's out there and just let it play out because I think for for a Lotta. These people. Expectations are a little bit lower on them. This season. I feel like people aren't going in expecting expecting that. They're going to walk out the winner. I don't know if that's a hot take but I think that it's giving them the ability to loosen up a little bit and Tony is somebody who needs to loosen up Haley. Were you a a fan of Tony. One point now I was even if you may not like him as a dude. It's hard to not have been completely entertained by the game in. He played in his original season. Just because it was so off the wall and I don't think any of us at that time believed that a game like that could win we. We didn't think that going into the finale. We didn't think when you went up against what's his name will woo woo when he went up against. We didn't think Tony was GONNA win. I remember sitting in and you know my friends apartment owed east like on the edge of my seat because we didn't know who is going to win and I feel like we haven't had that exciting finale in a very long in time and every week we tuned in to see like what is only GonNa do next. What is he going to do to get himself out of the trouble he put himself in and it was just one of the most exciting games to watch and I am excited to see him back for that reason because I think when he came back for game changers he came back? His has tony the character. That didn't work for him so I'm hoping he really reverts to like Tony. The Dude and just playing whatever comes to him not having pre-planned anything having ideas going out and Sea island just taking things as they are and I think we could have a lot of fun with Tony Again and I'm hoping that because he didn't and do so well in the last season it can often rob effect and he'll do super well this season. Jenny how much do you feel like that. Tony Change the course of survivor history. With his run in season. Twenty eight in a lot of ways. I feel like Tony is instrumental in saving survivor. I think that Kaga Kiana such a like important season in history and the way that we talk about it. The way that it's revered I think is just it really reignited. At least I can speak for myself my excitement in the show I continued watching watching through the twenty s and as we go into the late twenties he was definitely picking up but that was like the first season. That was just so so incredible in so long I just could not get enough of and obviously this is around the time that you know like you were talking about with the podcast like starting consume media and be more engaged on twitter and stuff like that so I really just feel like how Tony was president on social media during that season as in like I just feel like that was like a turning point in how we consume survivor and I just think that he's such an important part of survivor history. And I'm so so excited that we get him back on our TV's and regardless of how his run is going to be you know be matt edge of extinction returning. But at least that ensures there's no way Tony's going home even if he goes to avoid extinction we're going to get multiple episodes of Tony Lakatos and that is a gift that we've all earned after the last year of survivor. Though I I'm thrilled old. and He seems refreshed like you know Matt kind of touched on it already. He's recognized where he went wrong with his approach and game changers and I think that I've heard a lot of people. Talk about Tony as someone who has no shot in the season because of just how much of an erotic player he is and just the kind of targeted he makes on that. He's playing with these other. You know very three dept players but I think that where this differs from game changers like he was one of three winners and game changers and a very very ah high profile winter that this is a different playing field and I really do think that this is a theme. That came up in some of the interviews that they're they're going to be people that see themselves as the big fish band together to protect each other and kind of go after some of the lesser known threats that that they feel like might need to prove something so. I actually don't feel terrible about Tony's chances in this season and seeing him be like verbalize how he's feeling about the game really made me feel a lot better about it today. Honestly that makes me feel so much better to hear somebody else. Say That because has tales of Tony's incompetence have been greatly exaggerated across the hughniverse. I listened to the survivor. Forty preseason draft that Mike Bloom uh-huh and Allie Lasser Kiva. Boris said and they were like making a joke of Tony. Like not only did he go twenty in that out of twenty any people in that draft but then they have the option to who've Liana had the twentieth draft selection gave her the option to not even selected Tony to select select people who may have caused on the so. We're not even there. So name. Understand exactly put some respect on his name. The thing that people don't understand about Tony Tony and game changers. You forgot the girl that brought into the dance okay because he was an absolute buffoon in game changers and that is not how he played aide on his original season. People remember the Kooky stuff and who they remember it in the Llama talking and all that Yes to this this is Tony talking about Brent Russell praising him holiday aw yeah no but seriously. He had a lot of great tools that he used during calgon because he was he was sympathetic. He was empathetic. It was heartfelt when he needed to. He was serious when he needed to be and most of all for people who think that he was a complete joke. This needs to be dissuaded from that you need to look at the final tribal council performance in Kagi on where he really had to get serious for a second when Tricia came to him and said look you saw on your father's grave to me and I need to know. Was it worth it to you for a million dollars to defile the memory of your father and he starts to give a bunch of excuses and she's like no I I want the truth. And he's like she's like wasn't worth it for a million dollars to soil your father's memory answer. Yes or no and he looks at her without a beat and goes yes. And I'd like to me. I'm like Oh my God like check right now so if he can just bottle a little bit of that on this season season with all of these crazy egos around him. I really feel like he's got a shot to witness thing. Yeah it's so interesting that we've had the two tonys not the clones is. But we've had the Tony who is literally and figuratively unstoppable. Where he has that? He's got a bag of tricks and in that bag of tricks as an idol where you can't even vote him out and then Haley. We saw the very mortal Tony where he gets struck down on the very first night of the show. He ends up being the second BOOT cover. He's he's he's buried himself. Nobody everybody's seeing through one grave do that. He flew through close to the sun. Came all the way back down to Earth but now we have a chance to view this third iteration of Tony. And do you think that he is going to be seen. As the unstoppable force or is he does they mentioned on the draft. podcast is this is this the clown is is the person who they don't take Tony Seriously. I just worry that people will sign him unpredictable and unpredictability. He is a really scary thing and the game survivor. And so so y y play with fire and you know so I could see tony going out for that. The reason pretty early but I'm hoping he humbled himself affirm his last play and can kind of go back to back basics. Jenny can Tony Chill out. Can Tony not be crazy Tony. I mean he seemed chilled out out in his interview. The interview I can watch the game. Changers preseason so relaxed now while he was no he. He seemed like he was ready to go in that in that interview he definitely did seem more relaxed. And and some of the answers he gave gave like really impressed me and just the way that he talked about. You know what he learned from his second time out and how he needs to change his game plan and Just the way that he talks talked about his strategy and what to change. That was all really great but I also know that Tony is the kind of like Co.. Tony can't not Tony. And key was even even talking thing about his family. He was like Oh ask me in a couple. He's like I'm okay right now but like ask me. They say 'cause I'm getting ready for the game like ask me again in a few days and I might be like pent up and I think that that goes for more than just talking about his family. I think it's one of those things where it's easy to say in the pre-game when when you know things haven't gotten real yet that you're going to play a certain way and I I will always have concerns about Tony not not being able to not be extra. But he's saying all the right things and I can see a lot of scenarios where things don't go as poorly for him as you would think they would So I'm just GONNA I'm just GONNA remain hopeful. I really I am holding onto. This'll be a theme of of how I talk about. All four of the The people were discussing tonight that I see a scenario where some of these big names are really you know using each other as as meat shields and I think that even though it was six seasons ago game changers is still going to be president in everyone's minds and they're gonNA say remember that roster and you know no no maybe a little shade on broadened Troy Shannon's Erez the final. The three but people were scratching their heads being like. How did this happen and I think that diet is something? That's going to be still present in the minds of of the season forty Winners that they're not gonNA WANNA get bested by someone that they feel like played a lesser game and so. I really think that we could see someone. Mike Tony Thriving here just really quickly see this. In the Communist section to the Chad is like people are really worried that Tony can't be Tony and I heard my gloom. Say That on the preseason podcasts. He's just him in his blood and I'm like this y'all forgive. He's a cop like this offer his job when he was on target Yom with that even though he was is increased to of course but my point being that he is not him in real live like he can actually be serious serious and for like the first you know fifty percent of that game I feel like he really was serious and taken seriously by his tribe to the point where they looked at in like a leader either. They looked at him like someone who can depend on and trust now I feel like he has it within him to act like that so act more like that like. Here's the thing. The people on the island know what they think. Is the real Tony Tony. Do they perceive that. Certainly but I feel like he can change their mind and say look. I'm an older guy. Now I've Lost Asta separate too and I'm chill now. It's cool and I I think about so many other threats around. Are they really going to worry about Tony. I do think that Tony I could see him coming out of there like like oh I lost I lost step. Did you see game changers. I sit up now. You know and that You know I'm not as good as you. Not as good as these young guys. I definitely see Tony any really heavily pouring on the I suck now card and trying to convince people but when we talk about this idea of meat meet shields. Is that counter. Intuitive that the more that Tony Sorta like walks around with his shoulder slump in like. Oh I sucked now. I'm not as good as I used to be. Like any of these young guys. So is it possible that it does that. Is that the opposite way of the. Tony should be going if people like. We saw Jeremy and his his interviews talking about how. Hey I gotta keep Tony Around. I need guys like that out in front of me so I don't WanNa scare you know that you're a big Tony Guy but I kind of feel like if Tony is used in that way as a meat shield for some of the other bigger players I feel like there's big potential there that that could turn into to him ending up as a goat that people carry to the end that I know that might sound crazy at first but there was a lot of Tony Comparisons when he first played to this guy's somewhat what like Russell was obviously like ashes. Game played out that kind of disappeared a little bit that you saw the separation between the two of them but if there is that kind of like think negative vibe towards Tony you don't feel great about him. You feel a little bit icky after you're done playing a season with him Once you get towards like the halfway point in the game you're not worried about Tony. Immunity munity challenges. Like a lot of these are balancing and holding the thing above your head. Is Tony beating you in that. Probably not so at a certain point I might be looking at someone like Tony. I wouldn't mind sitting next to him at the end because I feel like I'm more likable than him. And I could get the votes There's one challenge win. He won the cover yourself in mud reward and won a slice of pizza or a couple of slices of pizza that he got to eat with trash the only challenge when he talked about wanting in his interview talks about wanting to finally get an individual immunity win. So I mean it's not something I'm Kim if I'm poverty if I'm any of these like likeable people at the final nine with Tony. Why do I WANNA get rid of him at this point Where do I sign on the dotted line for Tony of I can see like I can see the argument? When it's like Tony's in the final three and it's like it's freaking Tony like you let tony when he gets the Finance Rama's out about like you know Tony? A certain way is that the opposite of the way he needs to act like. It's still Tony freaking block. Goes like I mean I feel like he's one of the top people in this cast who you really know like first name like you know who he is he he. He commands respect. Even if you don't respect him on the island I like the idea and the game he played in Tigon. It commands respect to a certain extent or at least a little bit of fear in some of these fear of the unknown. So I have to imagine. Imagine there's no way he's going to end up as a goat Haley. What do you make of this? which would which way do you see this ending up going for Tony? You now as a stereotypical Lieber. I can see it. Going both ways absolutely rinse the astrological so readings for all the people that were do. Okay I could. Oh Gosh I have awesome. Inga citizen you're GONNA do it. I think he'll be pre merged but God it'd be fun. Find Him last longer than that they can find out about edge of extinction early on because that could went this if they. I don't live at Tony on the edge of extinction. It was. I was so I was reading today. That a few of them talked about their interviews. I think they told them this. But they speculate Sandra. Sandra said she's like I said I thought pope said in his interview with Dalton. And please correct me if I'm wrong that they wanted to guarantee the winners a chance. An honest honesty game. Yeah so they went with interesting. I took that to mean that everybody knew about if they're gonNA if they know about it yet in the preseason but the way that it seems like it structured. Where you have fire tokens and you're exchanging fire tokens with people on the edge of extinction? That I think that if they if they do not know yet I think they will know almost immediately as soon as you know. The first person voted out. And this sort of like this opportunity to say this Trading between the people on the edge of extinction and the people that are still in the game. Okay Yep so. We'll see we'll see we'll we'll see we're talking about some friends for Tony. That might be out there. Of course at somebody who we're GONNA talk about in greater detail who this is the the relationship to watch Saraceno is there and so jennings. This is very interesting. I think that we're talking about like. Can Tony stay under control. That can tell me not not fly off the handle that having Sarah out there this does feel like that okay that he has now a partner on the beat to say like Tony. You gotta calm down. You're getting out of control. You get into crazy. Well I mean I've seen lots of people ask who's WHO's going. It'd be Tony's Trish and Trish playing such a huge part in Tony's stellar. Game and cog I and I think that this is what we've we've been waiting for is seeing finally seeing Tony and Sarah actually work together and have it work and I think that this is just a cop us like version. I guess this is two point. Oh since they didn't really get to connect in game changers but I think it's perfect. Perfect timing because Tony's calmed down. He's humble themselves and and Sarah's gotten her win and so there's you know she doesn't have a chip chip on her shoulder anymore because she got to play the game in new she was capable of and game changers God her win and the way that Sarah Talks about Tony Post. Most all of this is you know. She's GonNa love a lot of love for Tony and I think that that love goes right back to to Sarah and I think they know that they're not I don't think either of them are super socially connected in the community. I don't think that either of them are big. Event People I think they kind of play survivor. And then they get back to their normal lives and so. I think that they are smart enough to recognize that. You know they need each other in this game. So I and Sarah's very level headed very calm and you know we might see Sarah finally be Trish 2.0 viewpoint for for Tony and and be the grounding presence for his crazy and I'd love to see it like I think it would be really interesting to see them finally You know the buddy cop storyline that we've really wanted for some of us have. I'm excited for it. Haley but do you feel like while Sarah could be a calming presence for Tony. That actually a bigger target like if Sarah Antonio are not working together that's only might be better off but the fact that if people start seeing the two of them together other is is that a bigger potential problem for One or both of them yes probably but like are. We sure that Sarah here wants to be partnered up with Tony again. Like feel. She's been burned by him up before both. Get the Sarah talk about a game show but it'd be a great point that Sarah era is who's does not ever seem to mind losing an ally here or there that tried to keep her threat level. Lower boy away. Br you see Sarah Throwing Tony under the bus. Oh Yeah I can see Sarah Throwing Tony Tony under the bus ie variety of different people throwing Tony under the bus including in some of the more Alpha guys I mean I know what Jeremy said. It is Canada Interview Matt but I still feel like that of the people there who might be most irritated or threatened by Tony. It would be some of the more Alpha guys if you look back at Kagi on Tony really thrived. It was surrounding himself with women and young guys. So I feel like if Tony can cobbled together. People like that. He might have more of a chance. But like some of these Alpha guys or even some of these more J.. Yeah is true to yeah. He didn't like cliff so he got rid of the two older guys. I mean to me of those people. I felt others people on L. was more of an elder statesman. Compared it's like so you know take take it for what you will. Okay Matt who else our allies for Tony that are in this game. Potentially your guess is as good as mine. There's nobody there's no other natural allies for him. There's nobody else that I think is. This is a clear person that he should work with and he can work with. But I think we've been saying he is somebody. That is the perfect person for anybody else. That needs needs that extra person to go pick up but I don't see any other natural. Well let me throw out. How about Sandra? Now they did not get along in game changers but they both went on that pre jury trump together. And I do feel like that. That's the kind of thing where you you know. I was thinking about this with Sirri and Tom Westman where they both went after each other in heroes vs villains and then the two of them have ponderosa sat there and said we should have worked together. This was crazy. Why were you coming after me and me coming to you that we could have? We could have done something and they spent a lot of time together outside out of the game and I really think that they seemed like they had a mutual respect for each other. Jenny's a possible. Could we see Tony working with Sandra. I thought about it because because for the reasons that you've mentioned but I think that there's just a very big difference in the example that you gave and I just think that there's so much ego there and that they're both the kind of person where it's like if we didn't work if I couldn't work with you before it's not going to happen now. The Queen though I feel that way absolutely McQueen. This WANNA lose to to Sandra like you know what I mean really what he really wants and I I just. I almost think that Tony would be more interested in it. Then Sandra though I see Tony being okay. Okay with it but I could also see Sandra just being like I don't have time for the I in a scenario or it'd be analogy you propose Rob Rian. Tom Both finish third and fourth or fourth and fifth breath on their seasons in. Here's versus villains with game changers. Tony went out in Santa only went out because she got swaps crude so I really feel like sanders. I didn't do nothing wrong. I got rid of them when I was supposed to. And I just got a bad slob when you want you could also say like those two needing to worked worked like looking back. I mean like we should have worked together is totally different. Point in game changers than this season where they were two of the only three winners playing saying in game changers. It's a lot easier to say like we were going to be targets. We should have been keeping each other around as long as possible when then you're playing a season with all winners and there's some really heavy hitters. I just don't think that that argument really applies the same way that it would with game changers and I just cannot i. I cannot see I really loved what Shannon's add the other night about Sandra lining up people. If she can't win she she would rather have these sorts of people be successful in the game. I and I just never see Tony being one of those people so I I think as much as Tony when he might be open to it. I just don't see being mutually felt relationship. Okay Haley people on the board. That are major ops for Tony any that are going to be coming in saying. Hey gotta get Tony out first second as soon as possible. Yeah I'd centers probably a couple starting starting with Amber Danny Denise Kim Natalie Poverty Sandra Sarah Sophie Adam Ben. You Think Jeremy Nick Rob Tony. Tony's trying to get himself out Tyson Komo annual. Wow coming in hot you if it really well survivor. Forty preseason draft podcast. Is this age. It's just a joke. Some true adversaries. I think I think rob doesn't like that guy who's unpredictable. You'll going either way with him and see bus. Rob Not Loving Tony. I definitely can see that I can see Tyson loving Tony as is like a comedic character in front of entertainment on the island. I don't think he ever wants to work with them. Even just don't even sky but I you don't think they're going to match like it's just a lot of you know looking to you. This NAD. Lean telling me. I don't know if those two strong personalities are GonNa go well together. Her she likes Natalie. Does I believe like I. I don't know if they've spent any time in in real life. But when it was rumored that Natalie was going to be on on game changers that I feel like that. She talked about that. I remember in doing again. These are people that play back to back and that she gave Tony a a lot of credit that she had seen Tony Season. Right before they played in San Juan del Sur. Difference between giving somebody credit and like playing the game with them especially when Natalie wants to be Queen B. They're both like blue collar. People injures action. There's a lot of a lot of northeast northeast New Jersey. That was one thing I took away from. I listen to Natalie the Natalie's interview with during game changers. And she talked about how she was almost on the season and how she would have played and we'll talk about this more but she did know that I would. I've been working with Tony and Sandra like together. The you know the big targets and and go after the smaller people but again saint point. I just made that is a totally different story. In game changers changes when those three are in her mind she she didn't mention JT. At all. I still feel like bill. I take your point but I still feel like there's enough enough chafe in this. Cast that even though they are winners. There's plenty of people here who we don't really care a lot about. Nobody really cares a lot about but only somebody. What do you care about and Sandra as somebody care about and I feel like? They should know that they should work together. I I agree and I see. They know they can work together group but sure but can they work together. Can they just push everything aside. Once they're on the island or will they get each other more on Tony. Tony comes with a you. You Know Olive Branch. Yeah if you can turn annoyed by Sandra conflict like that. Yeah I in San Rafael Tony. Let's talk are look. Let's give a ballpark where we think the highest on Tony on on the panel. At least from Kagi on you feel like that. Tony has a show emerge as a shot and I feel like he clearly makes the merge my opinion on. Yes actually Matt you. You almost felt like that. Maybe he could go far but not win. That's I don't think Tony can win again. I think we call his win like like. He was the Unicorn and I feel like that's for a reason. I don't think it can happen again but I do think he can stick around longer this time than he did last time and definitely hoping for that but our adult yeah. I just don't think he can win again. I don't okay. Haley sounds like you think he's out very early. E E yeah. I think so. I would love to be wrong Haley. I feel like you're forgetting like what she said. And all stars about Richard Hatch like no one wants to see the king dead. I did like that would be fun. Here there's a lot of kings and there's a lot of all-stars feels like everyone here is like I still feel like Tony. Commands commands that respect with them. Like even that'd be a respect like the way we think of it but at least a certain level of fear like I wanna give him his due. We'll see maybe it's just thinking on my part in terms of giving him his. Do I do think that when we look at sort of like well. We'll talk about on Monday night. The you know the people that are like the people that played after Tony and what they think of him. I do think again like when we're talking about like the atoms Knicks and maybe even like Wendell did they have a reverence for Tony. Would they be not so quick to you. Vote Tonioli gotta see what this guy is going to do next. I want to keep him around. I can just see Adam like you know I feel like Adam is really the kind of person then that you know. He's he's a fan boy of the game even though he's a he's one you know he has just as much right to be there as anyone else. I still think that there's Oh something about him where he's going to be like Yo. I'm playing with frequent. Tony Vodkas like this is incredible and I I think that it's you know. Say what you will about Tony. Whether he's is your favorite person or not or you know his game play was your favorite. He is a character and he is you know. I think that there will be people that get wrapped up in just the presence of him and I can see someone like like an atom possibly wanting to work with them just. Because it's like I've always wanted to like work with with this person and you know all figure out how I beat him later but for now I want this guy I want this guy in my corner and so I definitely think that he he could have more friends than people are thinking that he would going Wendell. Nick Ben Those are I feel like ideal allies for Tony at this point and he just needs used to pray at a couple of them are on his tribe. Yeah so I really came into this feeling like where I was. Where Hailey was like? Tony's probably the first one out at least there's the edge of extinction but I have to say I'm starting to warm to Tony. I don't think he can win. I don't think people are going to do. Let him get that far. But I do feel like that people will say like okay. Well as long as Tony is around. I'm not going to be in trouble. But then eventually when he shows up with an idol or he's out hunting eventually were gone for like. Where's Tony he is he hiding in the bushes again? I think eventually that he can't not be Tony. And I think that's GONNA eventually be too big of a threat and they're going to send him out out of the game but I do think he's he'll be out for a while is impossible to forget about it. You just there will never be a point where you forget that Tony. They're like you will with maybe a bunch of the others which I feel the life works in favor of other people who have really big egos and are scared to death that they are going to be betrayed by somebody keeping somebody around my Tony is ideal for them. Yeah it's it's interesting because when Tony went to go play in survivor game. Changers the people on game changes they had not seen millennials versus gen-x aren't they. I had not seen that much of it where Adam fell apart. Atoms game was. I'm going to keep the threats out in front of me. Jeremy played that way in Cambodia. But I don't know how much that was. Really talked talked about yet in terms of what his strategy was and I do think that as the thirties has gone along. More and more people have played with this idea of. I need to keep the threats out in front and now maybe that strategy has caught up to a point where it Tony can actually benefit from this idea of being that person who other players put out in front of them so that they end up being able to hide behind some of these bigger targets in the game. So we'll see if Tony can benefit from the bullets. One one last thing real quick one of the other things that he said in his interview was that he isn't all about like the whole like basically calling out the people who go on survivor these days and try to be influencers about. I don't know but it felt pretty targeted at the newer players like the social media. I know Michelle Wendell like people who are popping. Clean up all over the place kind of thing so I know he's going to be working closely with the new players. I feel like he might just gravitate. We're contestants where we're not celebrities. Leeza sorry gone and saying Geeta who who you talking about. He's like go on Youtube. uh-huh Youtube thing. I think he's talking about your on the Castro the saying about people that are on the cast. I value the saint survivors in general. Yeah he might not have a little. Maybe I felt like he was maybe talking a little bit the people who just pop up at all these events and celebrities because they go everywhere people want to take pictures with them Kinda thing. Now he's talking about Adam Sandra and rob he also said that One of his pet peeves was a know it all and I've always been nothing but love for Tony. He was talking about Stephen Shaded fish bag back. Yeah Nick mentioned no at all so there was a few mentions no at all so they are annoying right. You might need to rebrand MRS getting a little too e Jenny before we can move on from Tony. We you promise that you would give us the astrological so Tony. How does it looking for Tony Okay? Well I'm not going to get into it and going to piss off a ton of people because I know that some of these. Some people don't like astrology. Tony so it's more complicated than just your son sign. Tony is a virgo virgos. These are very detail oriented they can. They're they're kind of seen as like the anal sign your. They're very organized organized. They have they have the KEANAE. They're they're kind of like the MOM or the dad sign like they're they're in charge. I think that him him as a police officer as a virgo makes a lot a lot of sense the way that he was able to find idols that makes a lot of sense as virgo. Just they're they're very very type A. and like to do things their way. They're the people that are standing in the corner watching you do something and be like you're doing wrong anyway. So that's what Tony Tony's definitely got some and some other wild stuff happening in his chart. Four Shirks Tony Is. I believe his birthday might be September tenth or something around then. He's Virgo. The colts birthday. I was GONNA say yeah. He's right around call very similar. 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Great deal with butcher box okay. Let's talk about Tony's partner in crime. Maybe let's talk about more about set. Sarah Sarah Brent. She came off winning in game. Changers and Sarah is such an interesting person to talk about. I think because she came into game changers super low profile. No she was one of the people that's like an and who else does Sara's on the cast. Nobody was concerned about her. She was able to stay under the radar made big moves left and right switching back inside a back and forth voting out her allies taking the legacy advantage from Sierra. Don Thomas Voting out all these different people that she worked with. She gives her wedding ring to or show. Takes culpepper wedding ring yeah. She gave her bracelet. It was like a bicycle spoke about it. And then here she is. She Wins Brent. Are People going to lose lose. Track of Serafina again or is her profile. Too Big after coming off of game changers. No profiles definitely not sue big now with the caliber of players players that we have on this season it. There's just no way it can be. I think that is so far. More likely that they forget about her and yes she played an amazing game on game game changers but a lot of people don't really like that season and it's sort of like yeah. She won but she was up there against Troyes in culpeper so I really don't think they're we're going to give her a lot of credit even though they probably shouldn't I honestly feel like her fate in this game is polar opposites either. She's going to be one of the first boots it because she doesn't really have any ties with anybody and evil. See Her as expendable and not to worry about. Plus they think it'll make the fans happy which I actually really do think as a little part of some of their thinking or she will slide through to the merge and make her way to the end. I actually don't think she he can win again mainly because I feel like she somewhat unlikable to some of the people in this gas but we'll see but nevertheless I still feel like that. Her game is is It's a high risk reward at this point. That's how I feel was Sarah. Okay Haley what do you make of Sarah. And her threat level coming in I feel like her threat. Level is higher than her perceived threat level. Don't think anyone's going to be thinking of going into the game. I don't think anyone's GonNa be thinking about Out Her until after the merge. She's GonNa put her head down to work at Camp She's GonNa do okay in challenges and she's GonNa be like not so oh great socially that she scares people but on bad socially like it. Thank People Forget. That people like Sarah engage. That's why she got so far and I remember it gets a good. That's a good point if we dive into that a little bit more because that is Sarah. I know that Brent's made the the point that they're saying that people don't like Sarah but I actually don't think that's the case that she does not come across on TV as somebody that you think of when you watch him on TV like Kim seems very likeable and you understand and then everybody else has also likes her but with Sarah that everybody that played with her in Game Changers and I get to talk to all these people when they come off the game they also talked about how like Oh. I thought Sarah My friend Sarah and I was really close. Everybody had these great relationships with Sarah. There's almost nobody came off the show and it was like I hated Sarah of the whole time Sarah the worst but then it doesn't necessarily translate to the TV show Haley. I completely agree. I don't think anyone's going to consider her an exciting character. Especially when Tony Onscreen next to our pit any of the people she burning game changers. They're not here to tell the other people that they got earnt. I think Tony Burned Sarah. Before she could burn him and so He's not he's not super afraid of her or anything. I don't think anyone's going to be afraid of her. I think there are a lot of bigger targets on the board that what are GonNa go before you even think of her. I could absolutely see her ending up in the final three again and people going like Dr Been In regards Jenny. Do you have thoughts on Sarah. Three point zero. She played an incredibly impressive game in game. Changers there's and I do think that people just really don't like that season and that is is has an impact on how her win is viewed. Because I think people like INA vacuum I think it's it just. She just played such an impressive game and she is a very worthy winner. And so I think that the fact that that is not a well regarded and season in general helps down play her threat even though her actual game was very impressive. The problem is is there are various people in this cast that I feel like I have something to them and the way that they play the game that they put them in any season in with any people around them and they they can do well playing that same sort of style of game. Sarah Sarah Second game was so all reliance on how she was perceived going into that into that second game and people not really getting to see what she was capable of in Cagayan and and being bested by Tony and so much of her game relied upon everyone feeling like they like they were her number one and I think that once you see someone play that way the jigs kind of up and I just think that like she's not playing with any chumps like these are all winners. They obviously have done their homework. And I think that no one is going to get fooled thinking all. I'm like you know Sarah and I are talking about this and I. I really feel like she's like my best friend out here because that's exactly how she got the win in Game Changer. So I just I do worry that this is the kind of. She can't replicate hate that same game so she's going to have to do something different if she wants to go far and I I as much as I do feel like. She has excellent game potential attention in her. I just don't know that she can pull it off again and that she might be one of these people that gets picked off early. I was GONNA suggest suggest mentioned that. It's interesting about Sarah being seen as somebody who's a backstabber. Because that's what she had to do so much in game changers to be able to win and it was a incredible win that she had but there were so many people that were close to her. Especially the one that stands out. I think the most is the Sierra Don Thomas with legacy advantage advantage of okay. I'm going to that. She told me she'd give me the legacy advantage. So now I have to get her voted out so many of these winners didn't have to Backstab ax tab to get the win that so many of the winners were able to sort of get to the the the finals and be able to have done it where it wasn't like that they took out all these other people that were their friends along the way that do you think that reputation is something that you could shake in a season like this i. I don't see Sarah playing this season. Anything like she played the last one. I think the version of Sarah from John is way more likely to come out here where she kind kind of maybe feels like she has a grasp on the game and it kind of completely falls apart once she finds hurt because I do see her as somebody who could go either way. I think she could go with the new players or she could try to go with the old players and she might find herself in that middle position again where she thinks that she is the swing. Vote ends up. Not being swing vote. There was a little bit of talk about how I think I know. Poverty definitely mentioned it but if there are any of these other winners out there who haven't been paying full attention to the most recent seasons but maybe you're catching up a little bit or refreshing themselves on some of the recent stuff especially because they want to see you know some of the recent twists and whatnot and they see Sarah. They're going in with. This is one of the best players of this new crop op players You know she dominated season super impressive. I do think that she could very easily stand out amongst that group and I also have to agree. I don't remember who specifically might have said it but I do not find Sarah very likable. I think she in her pre game interview that the The one that we got today from Canada she if there are some people I saw after Tommy's recent interview with you talking about Tommy's really high in his game high legs What he did out there? Sarah checkout her interview. She was very Tony. She was very high on the game that she played. I was one of the best winners. I played a masterful game. And if she brings that energy with her to the island. It's GONNA be off putting to everybody else on top of the fact that she's just not somebody that is your top pick to work with so there are signs all over the place that I feel like there are going to people like poverty or like some of the players who were like you know what there's nothing that's going to happen here with me and Sarah. It's she's a good person to get out Brian. I agree with that actually to US something I keep it real with you guys and so something to think about that. People on the island might be thinking about as well. Is that Sara. Lee is a someone Vogel supporter of of the President of the United States. And I know that there are people on the island who care about that sort of thing and I'm not projecting my thoughts onto the island about what I want to happen but I certainly think it's not outside the realm of possibility that they will look at her and go you know what. Let's just get rid of her. I I I understand that That why the like people's Politics that I think it's more likely to like the people that share her political views would be more likely to Work with her but in terms of that as well in terms of voting somebody out because of that that people are going to do. What's best for them? I don't think that people are going to vote this in because I agree and for me. They're like no politics Brent. I'm not trying to bring politics into it. I'm just keeping it real with you guys but then I feel like we're in a really polarizing environment right now. There may be people on the island with an ax to grind. That's what I'm saying and I'm giving you the teat. Yeah I said she's unlikable. There's a lot of reasons. Why if you go back to Alaska? I mean. She won a season during the trump presidency. So it didn't seem to hold her back last time different Sarah than they didn't really know much about her. But let's see anybody's politics are GonNa the have a bearing I would. I'd be very surprised if any of the players talk a lot about politics on the island because it seems like a good good way to lose half your allies at any given point very true. Yeah I I think one thing about Sarah. Is that There's something about her tone of voice where it's like she is she's so monotone that. I think that that actually makes is her sound less like I know sorry monotone people but like something about her her tone of voice that lake. I find that it just makes her sound sound doll and like maybe less interested in what you're saying but it seems that her one on one relationships that like she made is where she really flake flourishes so I feel he likes. She doesn't pop out in group settings. I just feel like she's like but she's very there's something about how she connects one on one with people and that's where she did work in game changers But I think that it. You know it's not an underreported story. That that is how she she got where she did. In engaged and the fact that people are already pulling that out the fact that poverty is you know acknowledging that she's a dangerous person. I I agree with Matt that I do see her as someone because I mentioned this earlier in the podcast that she's not one of these people that I see as really well connected in the community. She she played with Tony. But you know yes. She played with Sandra. But I don't see her coming into this season with a lot of connections and I just don't think that she's going to be able to work her charms in the same way that she did in game changers and that she will you know she does have. It is very likely that she's seen as someone who's expendable especially if someone's like I want to weaken Tony. But I want him around because he is a lightning rod. And you know as long as Tony's around that's attention taken away from me but you know he has Sarah and as long as he has Sarah that someone that sneaks along. I want to get rid of that person and I could definitely see a fate atfer Sarah Haley. It was such a big part of her narrative where that it wasn't just that she won but it was like she was like everybody knows it by hard like she. She was the police officer. She played like a police officer the first time but she played like in criminal the second time and I just think that when you're the baked in narrative it's really hard to shake that sure but I think a lot of these people have have faked at narrative. The Sutter GonNa follow the long. They're so nice so they're so kid there's still people are still saying that poverty is GonNa Flirt and she's been married to a child the andersons out here life. Will you know apartment plays the game. She's GonNa flip guys out here with Jeff and get some some extra fire token obviously my keep keep up a little bit guys. Tough some of the things I'll say is that she is a great athlete. And if you're looking for somebody to pin the blame on That you lose a challenge. Early on Brent. She's not going to be voted out for not being able to help the tribe in the challenges certainly true and I as I said I think she's definitely a possibility for an early boot. But not for the reasons that you might think I just think that she could be unlikable or seen as expendable by people. As Jenny noted she doesn't have a lot of connections with the people who are currently playing a game this season so I feel like there's a real chance that they might look around and go who who's here that nobody cares about. Okay Sarah I wanNA push back a just a little bit more on the Sarah is unlikable because I just think that she's just doesn't pop on television Zhen but I just feel like that the coming at a game changers that everybody there felt like that she was likeable and I felt like that the people that are out there with are going to really feel that way about her or again as Jenny was saying I think she's very good. Establishing these one on one connections and there are so many parents out there. She has a young kid also so I think she's GonNa have no problem. I'm getting along with people but I think the threat level of that previous game. I think is going to loom so large people's minds. I want to go back to with talking about with Tony and Sarah and in my head. If they're together that unthinking or Tony is probably going to get voted out. If you'RE GONNA split up a Tony and Sarah met. Is it possible. Do I have this backwards. Is it possible that hey we got to break up. Tony and Sarah and Sarah is the one that gets voted out. Yeah definitely impossible. Because there's so many people that want to keep Tony around possibly as a meat shield and legacy. I'm already saying that. I don't feel great about Sarah's chances to go far I think people are gonNA WANNA out early if they're looking to break that up. I definitely can see Sarah being the one that goes goes I the other thing too is as I said. People don't really care for game changers that much and I really don't think think we're talking when equity here. I really don't think that these winners that are on this island going to want Saraceno Winter Games dollar season. There's like no chance of it. There's a there's a handful of people that have on that list of like this is the season of seasons. They're going to be crowning the Champion of champions. And there's like maybe four or five names that I'm like I don't see it I really don't but I think you guys are thinking about visit like you know from the perspective of fans and thinking about the history of the show I mean right. Nobody knows better than you. That on the edge of Extinction Aubrey David Wright and others voted for the person that was on the edge of extinction to win. So here's the thing in terms of the talk a lot about the integrity the game and how people who are like that. They just thought it was a whole different game. I feel like. We're like even though edgy extinction is in play. I feel like the people on the island. saw what happens happens with extinction and there's no chance of that happening again. Vote for like well. You know. I voted for Sarah but she she one game changers and that's not really regarded as a season that I want to represent. I what I'm saying earlier that there's there's not any clear goats in this season so when you get to the final three it may they come down to just a likeability factor. Besides the game plan I think is going to be somebody like more. I also think that and I know that final three has been here since the beginning of time. It seems like survivor. But I feel like Sarah could win a final two. I actually do feel like she could win. A final next to somebody else who was more unlikeable than her but being final three. Let's the you people on the jury sort of take from one be above and I don't feel like in a season like this that that really works for her Sarah last woman winner of the show. Jenny what if she pulls it off employment winning the weird stat that I never ever considered being a possibility. I mean as much as I want to defend. Sarah's a winner in terms the weather however you feel about her personally and how however you feel about that that season I will. I will say that but listen to how everyone talked about. Sarah look further than how Andrea Belkin talks. I think that that is one of the most like Andrew seems just like one of the most nice friendly liked people in the community and the way that she felt about. Sarah I think that means something Sirri three like so many like us another thing though remembered there was a big moment on game. Changers brought them together like that. Core people the Zeka the tribal council. Sarah broke down huge emotional moment where she talked about. I'm a person who doesn't have Zeke's in my life. And I met Zeke and I love Zeke and that try try that one night brought them all so close together. We're going to hope we don't have anything like that this season so I don't know if that kind of bonding will happen but it was really solidified. Some some relationships in that season but I just from everything that I've heard about how people talked about Sarah from that season. You know those relationships had started before before like before that I I do agree that they really got could have gotten strengthened by by what they went through together but like I said already I really think that there is something about her. That doesn't like like you said rob doesn't doesn't pop onscreen. I talk about her tone of voice she there is something about her. That is very likeable people but I think that again. Everyone knows that that was her game. And and I don't think that these people are going to be fooled into thinking that they are Sarah's girl or a guy or whoever ever on this season and so despite it being an impressive run for her in Game Changers. I just don't know what she does to eaten in this particular season. Another big ally for Sarah is Denise Stapley. We talked about this the other night when we did the denise preview but both both coming from the same place in Iowa That could be. I don't know how many people know that connection. I think that that could be a a big one for Sarah Cedar rapids is also an answer on jeopardy last night he wasn't it. Yeah I think denise an in Sarah could be on good terms but I'll race you Danny and Sarah. I think those are two people can get along super well. Because I don't think because because neither of them have a lot of connections outside the survivor around. Like have you ever seen Danny a survivor of that. I've never never met Danny in my life so I could see her looking for somebody who's similar to her from the Midwest maybe share some of the same values in family family. Whatever I think they get along super well and Danny can give Sarah the advice like an old school player? Harry and Sarah can kind of bringing that new school thing going. I think they could be an interesting. Duo Tokens to Nazi that. Where are you really just the two of them together like to spend five? Hi Danielle Right. Do I just because I like her and I. I haven't seen her since I was twenty or something. What does that even mean math? Okay anybody else gunning for Sarah Seena that we can see here on the board. I mean do do even the new players one worker taste bad so I think they don't forget that she wants season thirty four so I feel like that you know then Adam super friendly. I'm sure he was very supportive to her way and reached out during her win. Then Ben comes right and I'm sure they're from you know now it's not not exactly the same the same place but you know similar part of the country and then Wendell I'm sure was greeted warmly by the you know as a new winner. Nick I think by Sarah so I think that she has some connections just based the proximity of when she played to some of these some of these other people. I just think that they're all closer to each other than with her. You know the people that are left to be discussed next week. I think that you know how to like adamant. Wendell are just so you know for newer or winners. I just think are so much better connected with some of these people then Sarah so I just don't think that they need their name but I think the threat from Sarah. It is coming from the past of when she played as opposed to coming from the future of when she played if that makes sense. Yeah like I felt like that. It's coming more from the people we mentioned you know the parties and Kim's and the people that are more like the when we go further back in time to the people that are like I watched her season and I don't. I don't trust her that I feel like that. The people that play this could be my own personal experience but I feel like the people that played before you watch you with a different I than the people that played after you. That might have a little more like give you the benefit of the doubt and want to work with you as opposed to the people that played before for you. It's like okay. I know your game. I know you're up to okay. Leno argument there Jenny. We we got to star sign. Okay Sarah I so I have to report that. I had like a major to the question everything I knew today because I have spent the last couple of years thinking that Sara was a fellow. Libra like Rob Haley myself. And I I I keep a spreadsheet and I only got my data from like wicky or whatever and sometimes things change and at some one point. Sarah's birthday on the Internet at least I N had a recorded as a Lebron spreadsheet for some time. I don't know when that changed. Apparently apparently she is a cancer which makes a lot of sense. Cancers are very like WHO said that Brent sprawl as a funny joke but cancers are are very sensual emotional people and so it makes sense to me that Sarah Thrives in the one on one connections? I can definitely see that from a cancer. You know the emotional way that she used the bracelet and the ring and like these these physical pieces with her relationships the way that she used that That emotion connection home cancers are very like homebody type. People makes a Lotta sense why she's not very big in the community anyway so I because she was a libra until today she is a cancer. Or maybe it's all wrong or maybe you ought all right so does that figure a good way for her on the most. Winning element of survivors is earth. So the most winning sign is capricorn. Cabraha corns represent the hot have the highest representation of winners and then Earth signs in general which is `Capricorno upper corn. Taurus Virgo have the biggest representation so watered doesn't cancer is a water sign. They're not super high up in the winners. There's so I I don't know what that means for her. It means she's good at making emotional connections whether that is going to be the key to success in this particular season. I'm not sure that's where Sara prediction you know. Your Leo Are Sorry Yes Sarah Prediction Action. I think she's going to at least make merge if further Sarah at at the merge and watch out for somebody who can win those challenges that are the in hey standing standing one place that she went a lot of challenges in the in Game Changers. I'm trying to remember. It's never won an individual immunity actually interesting as a a member of the barrage of his. She was winning she. She won a lot of tribal immunity. Issues didn't go to a lot of early. Tribals the game changers but okay Jenny. WH- what's your prediction on Sarah. I think she's pre-marriage pre merge. It's tough to shake that target when it's on your back back Matt Pre Merge Remar andbranch. What do you think three three pre merge in the framers flurry? What am I while so you were with us so you don't sit? There was some senator because it went like pre merge free rich pre merge so yeah ultimately the people in the Chad that are bitching about astrology. Frogs GonNa ask me what people signs are going but I feel like prepare. It's just something I tell you. What color their hair is to address? Fun and Kitschy and is interesting. Just segue to they come down they get easy everybody. It's GonNa be okay okay. I'll say I feel like that. The Arrow is pointing down on sour. Not because she's she's not good but just because. I think that people are going to be way to focus. I really felt like I was listening to Sarah's interview today and just felt like that she's like going in hoping hoping that people are GonNa Forget about their previous game and I just I can't help but feel like yeah. I kind of felt that way to survivor all stars. You forget They they remember the stuff and it's just so sorry into trust you it's tough. It's tough to win that back. They might like you but they might not trust you. Yeah she's she's like guns blazing into the season for some reason. I don't know why she feels like she's got this loud energy about her. I don't know why she is coming in with this but I don't let's go. Let's hope for her sake that that was just like indicative of that interview specifically and not how she's GonNa play the overall game because she has to know that's not a winning formula. Maybe it's like some sort of freaky Friday thing with her and Tony. Tony is like really relaxing. Rocked up all of his like neurotic energy. Ge or something. I don't know okay all right. Let's talk about Natalie next Jeremy because then we can talk about season twenty nine and then Jeremy also then has a The season thirty one stuff to add onto that. But let's talk about Natalie Haley. Were you a twenty fan from the amazing amazing race. I wasn't and I win spoiler alert when they went out first all-stars I was like yeah. I don't have to deal with them all. It was also in two thousand fourteen. I believe that that was in the in the spring of the year that she ended up winning survivor. I think that was all in the same year. Yeah I don't think I'm alone in that. I think a lot of people were anti twenty about around then and then all of a sudden she comes in and play survivor and I don't think anyone's hot either. The twins are they going to do well and survivor. And then so when you went out to early I think we're all in Guam early pretty close behind when she pulled out a lot of really excellent and cool and fund moves in the later half the season and when she wanted it was such a satisfying win. Like we haven't seen what feels like a very satisfying win in a while. I think like you said twenty. Four team is really a great time to be a survivor fan. Great Year the Natalie Anderson run in survivor of same line. They'll sir was really so interesting years she starts off with this. She loses her twin sister in the very first episode. But then Sir and Jeremy Are you know Dr. Jeremy Loses Dow early on and they're a tight allies and they end up they're separated at the swap but then and they ended up coming back together at the merge. And there's a whole you know the looks like Jeremy is going to go out but then it's actually Josh that goes out and he's and everything thing is looking good and then Jeremy gets blindsided and Natalie ends up going on. I have to get revenge. I have to let these people think I'm working with them. And it is is a slow and methodical revenge that she takes on John Mesh and Jacqueline and Alec Christie all the Co conspirators along the way to ultimately win and now she's back Matt. I am so excited for this. Natalie is the reason I'm on this podcast. She's he's the one that I wrote down that I was most excited to talk about to see here. I just said about how you know. That was such a feel good win. I I loved that season at the time. I still love it so much to this day. Just watching it as it played out. And you had those two big players. Josh and Jeremy and one of those guys are GonNa win and they both go and you're like Oh wait. They're not GONNA win. So who is going to win is John is it missy and then it starts to become a little bit more clear over time that Natalie is somebody playing a game and going into the season in as somebody who watched the amazing race like you're not expecting that the twenty s are GonNa do well. You're not expecting much from them. You just you know they were fun characters on the amazing race. They brought him over to survivor. Make sense and but then as the game starts to get towards the end and you see all these great moves that she's making how she's thinking like she's playing like a strong player and it just. It's it's impressive and it's fun and just by the time. The finale comes around and you see the entire jury just applauding her and giving her all this respect and every time that she explains a move that you just made or something that happened. They're all smiling because they're like. Damn how did we let that one like. How did we let that get by US? It's just so much fun all around in the somebody who just loves Natalie so much. I'm so excited that she's back I don't I don't even part of me doesn't even want to imagine how she's GonNa do this season because the memories of her are so good and I'm just afraid that they might not you know I don't want anything bad to happen to her. Yeah but it's like sport though Matt like you know Janet Lynch figure skating that everything is sport nothing can be taken away from you. Like we will always have have that. Even if she falls on her face this season and we will always memory Astro said the thing the Iowa really appreciate about Natalie is the fact that she is an emotional person like I am wears her heart on her sleeve but she was able to keep her emotions in check check when she got done so dirty by John and Jacqueline people. Forget maybe you guys. Don't forget but fans forget that Jeremy and Natalie gave up their reward on ice I yacht to John and Jacqueline to thank them for their votes off the previous tribal council and then John and Jacqueline decide to payback Natalie. And Jeremy By blindsiding Jeremy at that famous tribal council where he went out and couldn't believe it and then like rob says. It's literally like it's like A. Ah Dexter where like the Anti Hero. Although in this case now is definitely hero was like working behind the scenes to like kill all the People Kubat trade her and had done her wrong and it was so great to watch so I I honestly of all I mean I know there's been a bunch of guys. Had some interesting in game runs survivor but from my money like I'm with Matt on this one. Nobody touches the final nine stress that Natalie had from losing her ally. I in Jeremy obviously losing her own sister in the beginning of the game and like calling out rocker like she played from the front. She didn't play in the bag. She played from the front and still got it on so I I was so here for her when and I really annoys me that was a blood versus water season because she should have won unanimously. Like even John Mesh is like you no not in his head when Natalie is explaining her moves but obviously he can't vote for her. Because you know Jacqueline is up there or something for your petty against Missy. I don't even know that was so bizarre. One of my favorite favorite moments. Was You know Natalie you had the idol and Jacqueline had been kinda screwed over by missing Baylor and you know She had come up with this plan. And missy and Baylor Thought Natalie was on their side and and she gets up and takes her adults adjust and then she turns around. Jacqueline says itchy. Vote for who I told you to vote for and Jacqueline says he gas and then she plays the idol for Jacqueline and then one of Baylor. I don't remember credible edible tribal council. It was a great move because not only did it get her to where she wanted to go by. The jury saw her making that move which I think was incredibly important to her game. You know the jury doesn't see a lot of these moves because they're back on the beach but this was a move that was like hey I told you to vote for her. So did you do it. Yes I convinced you to do that. Well then I'm going to save you a two for one move. It really is and it was the people think like oh she had an idol. She played Jacqueline but she knew everyone was voting for Keith. Like that wasn't without risk like there was a way for Jacqueline to technically betray her by also voting for Natalie early in causing a time. Maybe they would have sit natalie home. Because she didn't play the idol herself like there were ways for that to go wrong and she still had gone is to go for it and give yourself in position position to get the win and I absolutely loved it. I mean you'd be to find somebody orange community you didn't love that tribal council and everything that it began. So I'm feeling ingrate about Natalie but I'm also worried that some of her more interesting and de Television worthy moves might be remembered well by people on this cast. Ask Nervous about that I. I don't know that this is such a weird season in terms of talking about it where I feel. It is not a celebrated season at all all like Jeremy Ends up getting Tana credit for second chances when he comes back and he wins but I feel like that for whatever reason and I always theorized that it was because Natalie was somebody who came from the amazing race and that they weren't like proud of her as a winner because she was somebody that was from one of the other. CBS shows that came on although they really love BC cowboy when he came through so bizarre but they never even at the reunion. They couldn't wait to start talking talking about. Hey we gotta talk about what's coming up survivor worlds apart like Do we have any lawyers in the audience they were they went right into you. Hyping the neck within Matt Rob. It's just boggling to me that I don't understand Natalie was one of their best winners ever. They didn't create her and then she was funny to you like remember when she was like holding the thing she likes tried to spit but then the spirit was all over. The West Nail is after appropes about the Bacon. And that's a whole really great challenge. Suchart celebrated winner. I think that she came close to coming back. Act For game changers as Jenny. Br brought up earlier in the show. I'm not sure how many people really know a ton about Natalie Anderson met. Do you feel like like that. People are looking at her like. Oh we gotta watch out for her. I think that maybe as a challenge beast. I think they're saying like Oh we got to watch out for her. She'll win and all the challenges but I don't think that people really look at her as she is an elite survivor winner. I think for the majority of them I agree. I don't don't think that most people will look at her that way and that should do well for her but I do think there are some people who just specifically because I just listened to Sophie's interview. Sophie somebody who calls out You know I was just kind of like watching some seasons before we left in like Natalie Anderson. That's a smart cookie out there like she knows what she's doing. You don't think back at that season and things like Natalie was really. She was on top of all of those moves that she made towards the end of the game. So you know I'm sure. So if he's not the only one but she is the only one who at least mentioned it in that interview. I I have to hope that people aren't thinking like that because they are surrounded by such like even bigger sharks than the Natalie. It's you know there's a lot of players who are remembered for their great gameplay of course in the season I don't know if Natalie is going to be the top of the list but she's definitely up there. I feel like that. That's not a great relationship. I feel like that So selfie Natalie Anderson. I don't see them getting along. I'm sure Tim not not not only two of them and they socially I used to ask. So how are you going to be in the wine and cheese. Now that you're you're you're remember it's like oh no they don't invite they. Don't invite me to this stuff. I just feel like that. She's at home with more of like the blue collar. beer-drinking fell in layers. Five handle. I totally agree with that. I feel like the people that she's more likely to work with would be like Benji. Bergen Nick Wilson and Wendell like these are the people I I feel like that Natalie could work with windows necessarily blue-collar but I feel like he could. Yeah well that's true. Yeah he's always so swapped always like feel like he's a little bit more metro. Hey the point being that I feel like she has a lot of options to choose about who she wants to work with the thing that I think a lot of people don't really understand understand about Natalie is that it has rob notes. It was really methodical. Like this is what I'm currently having a problem on in sequester that people aren't thinking ahead and now he was the queen of thinking in terms of like realizing that she needed to get rid of Alec and fake and so that John didn't have power over her to move forward into the final six and then she needed to get rid of John John at the final six and how to do that. She went on that as I remember ended in the chat the Spaghetti reward with John and Jacqueline where she smooths them the whole day right before she was going to blindside them and then onto keeping Jacqueline in the game at the final five to make sure that she wouldn't be voted off by missing Baylor at the final four. Everything had a plan with Natalie. It was such a great season it's up. It's honestly mystifying. mystifying to me the CBS considering they don't have tons of women and also don't have tons of women of color as winners for them to celebrate her more. But let's hope she fixes that this time signed by winning this season and it's not looking like you know all I know again how great I feel about her chances and that's what I'm afraid to talk about here. Just because another thing that she brings up is she. She's talking about how poverty flirts with all the guys and that's how she played the game and shed she saying I I just like the. I'm one of the guys I'm just you know I broke down with all the guys and whatnot so I don't know if she like going into this mindset of I similar from how what. Got Nadia Audio in trouble the tribal council that she got voted out. Yes so I mean is if she's going in with that kind of strategy not paying enough attention to the women in her tribe right way. Then that's not going to be good but she also said I'm all about girl power. I'm happy to work with them too. So I don't know I feel like it could go sorry it sound like it could go either way here but Brenton's here you're going to be offensive fence no but have about the balls to go for it so you know what she's going to the final three. That's what's happening with now because my my position is the other way really. You're leaning early. I don't know way way I feel like that. Her in Boston. Rob Are like perfect. I feel like like Natalie Wood work great with Pasta Aerobic. She's on the same tribe as saying I feel like that they would like go together like peas and carrots. I just worry about myself. She has the ability to make people fall in love with her as all of us did as fans watching the game. Of course yes yes so I mean if she can work that charm on anybody out there just keep them laughing. She's funny keep them lashing natural is she is hysterically Berkeley laughing anytime there. Around you kind of energy. I think she'll be fine. I've been on the podcast in a long time but whenever I talk to her I can't stop laughing. She's just like like Natalie what do you think about this now what do you think about this. And she has me rolling whenever we get the talk Haley. How do you think that we've talked to more about her? Game in season twenty nine. How do you think that she's going to come back and play here in season? Forty someone in the comments. I I saw said that she won't be afraid of making big moves because she's already gone out early in one of these shows and is true. I feel like she's not going to be freed. Her sister is indies. You know and people forget that she also has like three seasons of reality television behind her. Sorry you may be kicking animates. Here's one survivor. This'll be four or for her. Okay so I think that's a really big advantage for her like like you guys said I think once you get on the island people are GonNa love her. They're gonNA love having her around. She's good worker. She's a she's a good worker. She's a great athlete. So you're not going to vote her out in the first couple of weeks because you want that kind of strength and she's not Overly sneaky like I mean if anybody is scared of Natalie Anderson. I feel like they're at least going to recognize the fact that in many ways her hands are tied and what she had to do you in blood versus water. I mean she couldn't take on Jacqueline any further in the game. She couldn't she had to betray museum. Baylor at the final five because she didn't want to go into the final four with a couple I. I'm sure she didn't want to betray them but she had from a number of you so I feel like if she can sell it that way. She'll be fine. I just think there's a lot bigger targets here than than her I really. It's hard for me to see a scenario where Natalie's the one we gotta get out right now. I don't see it either. I think she's GonNa make it past the merged I'm really hoping she does. Because she's going to be a really fun player to watch in this situation. I want to play with Sandra. I don't know if that's because I don't have the time and eh on common. They're they're both people who are outspoken. And straight shooters and I think that they would and and both of them are not Buji that they're both gonna they're gonNA get along well. They're going to have a lot in common to one another person on this cast. That is knocking. Doc In like Natalie I'm scrolling through it and I can't see one person who is now I except maybe so except me Sophie. Natalie's going into it saying she's worried about poverty and she's she's doesn't like the way poverty plays the game. That's what worries me because I don't want poverty on my bad side on any survivor season. So that the doesn't care poverty. Say that say that about Natalie. You know she doesn't like the way poverty plays the game and if that gets out she was talking about poverty as saying that she really respects her. I love how Natalie talked about poverty and like the floor game like that trope that I absolutely and I love Natalie Natalie was my winter pick. I don't like changing my winter. Picks I didn't love some of the stuff I saw in the interview today. But she did that thing where I'd like like Matt already mentioned like I'm Kinda like a guy's girl like you know playing down like oh I'm not like I'm not like the other girls like she didn't actually say that but it was at that similar kind of thing that that I. I didn't love that her however she's just so naturally charismatic without trying. There's something about when she talks the way the way that she is. She's just unapologetically Natalie Anderson and in such a likable way. It's like you can't even be mad. And the way that she was is able to get through her season betraying people but having an excuse. I've never seen John Wick but I feel like Ah Movie John Wick. His dog dies or something and then he kills a bunch of people like I think whatever artery okay well. It's an old movie and I haven't seen it. Sorry for nothing but but like I think think she was able to like you know betray people in a way where it with you. You're absolutely justified doing this. And like she was. She was driven by losing Nadia. She was driven by losing. Jeremy and I think that that's something that people will remember. Is that like she when she has someone. She picks as her person her twenty or her honorary twenty that she she is a writer. Die For that for that person so on on the flip side with someone like Sarah who we've already discussed where she was abs- she was would betray absolutely anyone. What narrowly did was we? Didn't we never never saw any any sign of her. Turning on Jeremy so it was when you know. Jeremy was her person and Jeremy got blindsided. That's when she was like. Ra like take time to get dirty and so. I think that that could really help Natalie in that. She doesn't have this scheme any heir to her. That some of these other players so interesting to talk about her in comparison to Sarah that we just got talking about where it's like. Oh Sarah is a backstabber but natalie is loyal they both had the stab a bunch of people in the back to get to the end. But because it's sort of like the narrative is this vengeance. This was that Natalie's loyal and Sarah just had to just backstabbed everybody who she was working with when it's probably a lot closer when you look at it but it's just that perception is so important and I. I really think that people will remember that and like everyone has already said. There's just so many other big names that I just you know. Oh even even me where I loved Natalie. I loved that season and I was so happy when she won re watching some of the you know some of the highlights of that season like I almost forgot how impressive it was and I just think that some of that Amnesia. About that. That time I'm in survivor. Can actually you know not not every person going out there re watched all of these seasons going into shipload. Yeah I I really think that she I'm being very helpful like I said she was my winner paycheck and I'm not going to change it but I I'm really really rooting for her. And if she could tone down the poverty stuff and maybe just not say that to anyone else that would be ideal so all right. Here's Natalie Italy we are GonNA talk about Germy in a couple of minutes but that she has this key ally from her first season. This is huge wjr. Are they going to be seen as a potential pair that also needs to get broken up. And if so like Tony and Sarah is. Could it be Natalie that that is the person who ends up getting knocked out to break up Jeremy and Natalie maybe there's so many pairs in the season that it it's hard to say like which one is going to be the most threatening out of all of them. I mean rob and Amber Sandra this whatever. So Jeremy What Haley I would no. I was just GonNa say like Jeremy and now you're the ones here you're worried about when there's literally a married couple here yell at me for Ah. I don't think that they're gonNA stand out as the biggest threat the biggest pair there will definitely be a point where they need to get broken up but I also feel like I mean. We'll get into more of the Jeremy Stuff soon but Jeremy is somebody that I'm very high on the season and I think a lot of people are also going to recognize. Jeremy is potentially more of a threat right. I think in the long run. The Natalie is so while Natalie may be the more volatile big mouth and all that kind of stuff. Jeremy is somebody that you need to look out for okay. Who else could natalie be working with breads? You see in the any other natural allies for Natalie here. I mean Danny bow ride. I feel feel like would be a natural ally for Natalie because she needs allies herself and as I said before spotty. Yeah I feel like Natalie has so so many options maybe too many options. I maybe you can never have too many options and survivor but She's down to make someone upset if she has everybody coming to her again. She's five years ago. real-time like not many people remember what she did it was great but even then removes or force like she with her hand was forced in what she had to do even if she did do them brilliantly so I gotta feel like she's got a really above even shot ear. J. Has another fellow Jersey girl. uh-huh yeah that was someone I thought of. I think that they're very different. But I but I also the more the more I think about good I can see them really getting along. I think that I mean you guys will talk about Michelle but I think Michelle comes in with a lot of options and I think that they're going to be people clamoring to pick up Michelle Natalie definitely think is someone that would really benefit from having an ally like Michelle may do have that you know New Jersey connection the other thing thing that I wanted to know. I don't know this. This is obviously a couple years ago. But in the game. Changer podcasts. That she did with you rob. Natalie was rooting four. Sarah says she doesn't fit as well so she was like. She said if I if if I had played I would have worked with with Sandra and Tony I would you know kept us together taken out all these little people. Now that Sandra Antonio gone so this was the point I think she. The podcast was like after Haley nause went. She was rooting for Sarah and she mentions it. Various Times throughout the podcast Her only real reasoning was that she does cross it and she's like an athletic attic girl and she's strong and stuff like that. I have no idea if if they've ever met her connected since then but I do think that that is something to note that she was rooting for Sarah and game. Changer sky. All right do predictions for Natalie Anderson. Sure Matt where's Natalie Anderson ending up with the optimistic side of me and say somewhere in the middle of the merge not not at the merge a little bit after the merge Okay all right brand how about you. I think she goes far. I really do when you see her at the end. Yes she can win. There are people who I have on my list who cannot win. She is not one of those people. She can absolutely win if she's sitting in the final three students on who she's up against and what she's done to get there okay. Jenny Eddie I mean I made her my winner pick before like weeks ago or possibly months ago and I am not going to turn back on that so I think that I'm I'm going to be optimistic. Like magic aside and I am going to you picture her going far and I agree with that. She's absolutely someone who if she can get to the end and that she wins so I'm going to stay optimistic and Haley. How `bout you I think he's going to make a deep run and I feel like even if she does get voted out she's GonNa she would kill it on extinction island extinction thing and I think he'd be really good on there? I think people would like I think she'd be good at the competition like she'd search for whatever she had to search for it and so even gets what it out. I don't think it's over for her scrappy. Yeah and I love Natalie Anderson Big Natalie do yeah I imagine the scenario for her where it goes poorly. The only thing I can think about is if her Jeremy and people feel like enough people feel like Oh if if Natalie wasn't around Jeremy would be my person. That's the only way I really feel like that. This goes south for her. I all I think that she can't hold back in the challenges like I could see her coming out and in being somebody who wins a couple of immunities after the merger and then people say oh we have to vote out Natalie. Yeah no she extension extinction. Yeah out here. We Are Standard Sins here on on the roundtable fun. Okay all right. What if like the more recent female winners as in the two of them are worried that maybe they're upset that they never got a chance to win this survivor and they take that out on her? You're take it out on Natalie Anderson yes the reigning this survivor like. What if Michelle and Sarah both like we had an opportunity? Yeah I don't know Michelle the around then we can also blame it on you robin case on blame it on a survivor until he ends the survivor Cambodia. Any of your listeners were around you miss and Mister survivor days. I think I was part of our ACP. For like two and half years before. I really realized I'm like Oh that's the thing like okay and then I was like. Oh Wow that's a really big deal. We'll go no I okay. All right we wrought. Don't you WanNa know what not not. Yes okay. So what. She's been aries. Excuse me right. WHO's the older sister Natalie? Allier Nadia Nadia is. I'm not I'm actually. I am just guessing Ivy. I've heard that it was an audience but I if I'm wrong then I had a fifty percent chance. She's a she's an aries. Very fiery blunt. Passionate kind of person person like like Haley said she's textbook airy so okay I love Natalie. I'm so excited to see her play now. The man who stumped stumped for Natalie said come on give it to Natalie Jeremy Collins is here he's here he's here here. It's going to be on this Jerry. who was the person who came in caves? The firefighter who came Amen. Hot into survivor. San Juan del Sur wanted to surround in draft. WanNa make a big alliance with everybody. That was in his tribe He ran into the Christie brothers. They tested his patients. He survived a Mano Mano showdown with Josh. Only to be blindsided and sent to the jury ultimately Natalie was able to get her vengeance for Jeremy he comes back into survivor. -Vivor second chances and then is everybody's best friend. Everybody loves Jeremy. He even ends up playing an idol on Stephen Fishbach for some reason then he ends up working with Spencer and Tasha and gets to the end. Val tells him they're having a baby boy. Baby boy adds the other baby boy's since then and now Jeremy Wins ten nothing in survivor Cambodia. And now here he is back back nine seasons later. Okay and he's GonNa do it again. Oh my God I love it. Okay all right all right tell us why wife and so good about Jeremy. The same reasons. I felt good about him in second chances. I picked him in that season. Probably the only winner pick that I've ever gotten unless I'm forgetting getting but he's just the perfect kind of player to go into a season like this you you know. He's he's he's a good player but he doesn't stand out as a one of the the biggest threats for some reason. I don't understand why it's like that. But you know he. He says his game. Is I play for my family. I'm just here for them and you know he's he's calm. He's mellow he's somebody pretty good to work with. And just everything about his game tells you that he's going to last long and when he can get good allies underneath him like he did in Cambodia takes them all the way to the ad out and he's got twice as big of a family as he had when he played in survivor Cambo. Yeah Yeah so I'm a little bit of water on that I title. I look I feel like Jeremy would be outstanding winner of this season and he may yet win but I have to believe that the people who are playing on this season are smart enough to realize that if Jeremy is anywhere near the final three he is such a salt of the earth. Kind of guy. There is no way. They're beating him. I disagree with Matt in that. I think that they will realize that Jenner is there is a massive threat to win. Gave like he was able to slide by in second chances because has people didn't realize that they didn't just in John them that Jeremy sitting in the final three. Obviously he's going to win. He's just like somebody you like and you just want to give the money to. He's such a great social presence. That is not going to happen this time. He is going to have to fight tooth and nail. I think he's survives for a while. I think he's not sneaky so I feel like other people around and we'll go out but I do feel like once it gets downs. Like final eight final seven. Then he's going to have to work but in Modern Day survivor whereas noted on a previous podcasts. I can't remember where maybe maybe it's the preseason podcast I can't remember but like With all the advantages in idols and fire making. It's in the game. He might maybe only needs to get to. The end is get into the final eight final seven and he's got a chance so I have to believe that they have a chance to get rid of them. They're GONNA have to idols in on season. Thirty one could not find the idol and he went to go look for it in season twenty nine. But he's got. He's gotten better at that Haley. What's you're reaction to Jeremy Collins? Here I am really excited to see him back. I think he's a fun player. I think he's a smart player. He gives great confessionals. I'm I'm excited to see him. And Natalie team up against what happens there. I think he could go far. Do worry just a bit forum. Bikes the concern. I I'm not even sure decide. He is so smart and he's so great and he's I think he's pretty. He's very charming and people like him but like Natalie. I think I think bigger targets round than HAM. So I'm thinking I really feel like of the people people who are on the show. Yeah has to be top three in terms of not want to be sitting within the final. Three no I agree with that. And that's kind of my apprehension apprehension with Jeremy but I just a couple of different ways to look at it where I feel like that. He is a threat in terms of like well. I'm going to the end with Jeremy but he's not Boston. Rob You know what I'm saying like. He's not somebody that it's like all right. Hey everybody this is an easy one. Go after Jeremy Armie at at this at this vote so I think that he is not somebody you would want to go to the end with but I don't think that he is somebody that anybody is going to feel like. He's a specially threatening. He's and he set up. Well I think he's got the New People on his side if they need him and he's obviously connections to the older players in the whole Boston. Robin Poker birthing. It sounds like he entice be some kind of thing that will happen out there. So if he's got these connections to bring him far into the game and you know what even if they vote him out. Jeremy's the exact kind of person that could come back from the edge of extinction and finding idle and find his way in all the way to the end so I think the twist of the season works in his favor. He'll be able to figure out the stupid fire tokens and he's got friends. I just use them in SC- looking. Yeah Okay Janet. What's your take on Jeremy Collins? I love him so much judge and already getting emotional just thinking about it because because I am Moshe person apparently and rewatching some some parts of Cambodia Lake hearing the way he talks about how hearing the way he talks about his family family. He's an incredible human and I. He's one he's one of the winners that I've just never been so happy for them. Just like not just not just happy about the game like their their win from the game perspective or an entertainment perspective or like satisfying like genuinely happy for him as a person person and I've never met him in my entire life and I think that that is something to note because Jeremy is one of those people that I put in a separate category of love and I kind of alluded to this earlier that put them in any situation in playing survivor and just their natural personality. We'll take them far. Tyson's another person that I that I listen that they're just the natural charisma without trying. Jeremy is so likable so likeable. And I think that there's just something so genuine about him and he doesn't come off scheming And even even though he won that season by everyone feeling like he was their best friend. You you know kind of not not exactly like a little bit similar to how Sarah did it For some reason just doesn't have that same feeling of being like Oh like careful if you think that. You're really like in with Jeremy. Jeremy he probably has like a bunch of other people that he's also really in with and he's insulating himself with you. There's just something about the way that he is not come off as like squeezy and like he's just so incredible I eh on a couple of people that were his friends got taken out in things that had nothing to do with him. Like Andrew Savage got idled out of the game who was a a close friend of his and then somebody who really pushed for him on the jury and then Stephen Ends up getting voted out in a plan that Jeremy wasn't really a part of so or wasn't apart after germy went out on a limb to save Stephen so he was fortunate in that he didn't have to do a lot of backstabbing and he had all these great relationships across the board where it wasn't as difficult to untangle as it potentially could have been and people were member idle plays and I really think that it's so helpful that Jeremy played that idol on Stephen. Whether you know like what that meant for Stevens longevity in the game and whether that ended up being really key to Jeremy's win in the long run. That's arguable but I think that just the reputation as being the kind sky. That would play an idol on. You is so important because there's just so many other players in the season that you know are always going to be so self interested and and even though Jeremy is self interested because he's playing for his family and that's always going to be as thing that's never going to change. There's a way that he plays. And the way that he he connects with people and the the very fact that we've seen him use idols to protect an ally that I'd rather be working with the person person that might play their idol on me then the person that I know one hundred percent of the time even if they don't need you there saving that idle for themselves okay. Is there sure where we're all pretty bullish. Here on Germany's effort Brent. May If if this doesn't go well for Jeremy What does that look like. It's it's pre- merged. I think that he would be booted relatively soon after the merge. I don't think there's really l.. Sir Yes exactly I. I don't think there's really any scenario outside of like an idol. Play that you know ricochets off somebody that he could potentially go home pre merge. I just don't see it so there's the reason to get rid of it. And why are you going to get rid of it and pre merge when there's all these other like threats Jeremy's a really salt the earth guy you can trust them. He might play idol on you like. He's loyal he's not overly sneaky. In a way that I feel like other people could be perceived even though he's obviously someone you're not gonna sit at the end with something something to look out for that came from today's interviews. News is back when Wendell Holland won his season he praised a lot of things about Jeremy's game play Germany as a person Jeremy as a player he just had so much love and respect for Jeremy and every single way his interview that he gave he talked a little bit about. I love the guy but I know he's a threat and I know that I can't take them too. Far are into the game. So Jeremy Wendell said about Jeremy's though it's just another one of those pairs where you might think that like there could be a connection there with how well Wendell uh spoken of him in the past but Wendell is somebody who's already acknowledging the threat level. The Jeremy has and I'm sure Wendell isn't the only one so while it may see I. I'm sitting here saying back. He's going to go into the radar because that's just how he plays the game. There are people who are at least talking about especially somebody who likes him so much so there is plenty to keep an eye on. That's that's the thing now on survivor that you almost never see until you get down to like. It's like the final six. Maybe seven that there's never like boy. We all respect this person so much that we have with them out early now. Just just just another Wendell. Has that thought in his head. Like maybe maybe this. Isn't you know my game plan De. Yeah that lines up with what I'm thinking. I definitely window with grab onto. Somebody like Jeremy if he needed you know allies in the early going. But there's like once you get down to like final ten final nine girl by dominant domino. Wendell they they knew they were going to work together but they weren't going to the end together so maybe we get a similar kind of situation. That would be great. Okay Hey hey what about some other allies. That are out there for Germay. We we've talked about Natalie who are who are some other friendly faces. That could be there there for Jeremy think him and Michelle could do well together. I think Kim and Denise would be a really fun pair to save Kim would be a great in any particular way. You highlight germy and denise did they have any sort of shared friends or anything like that. No but I feel like they have a shared mentality and they're pretty even keeled. They're going to you know. Think about things and can react right away when something doesn't go their way or does go their way. I think they could really play off each other well and able to to think plans over and developed saying I think that would be really fun. Little pair of the people that Germany has not gotten along with great in the past did not love his time with the Christie brothers others. I'm Jay. They didn't invite Fabrio back for the winners at war season. Can you see anybody the year that would fit the provides Keith nail also was somebody de Jeremy was on again off again in his seasons but again. I don't think we have a keith. Steve Nail type either now really. I'm trying to think like Ben Driebergen. Maybe I don't even know if I see that. I think that honestly Jeremy is just fine. Yeah trying to think like who's a little bit more of like the blue collar type for the like from the fantasy football with both of them and acing list right actually for about that. Yeah no I like. That's the thing and that's because Jeremy doesn't like stupid people and I'm sorry if you want survivor and you're being brought so if you're if you've one season of survivor and you're being brought back for for winners at war you're not dumb like say what you WanNa say about. You know your game. None of these people are are the types of people that in another season where where they would frustrate Jeremy. I think I can see him. Getting frustrated by like you know unpredictable types. I could maybe see if Tony is off off the rails and acting extra that Jeremy could like. I don't have time for this going back to Mr Survivor. The also very iconic Mr Survivor twenty fourteen. It was the the three way debate between Jeremy. Spencer and Tony Allen. Wasn't it vetus ours serves. That's something else for or was it might have been twenty-third missus thirteen by this was a tony. Jeremy get into into a little bit but I think it was really both of them. Were picking on Spencer. Sounds about right there season Spencer so what time we offer. Aw Lines like Oxford saying what do you. What do we think about like Taw Jeremy With Adam I feel like he worked with fish back the super fans slash emotional guy kind of archetype is right up his alley? Yeah I mean I mean. Does he play poker or their. Yeah Yeah I feel like there's stuff can action there and you could definitely work with him I. I don't know if it's going to make the most sense for him but I feel like if somebody he can just just kind of keeping this pocket. I don't see any reason. Why not? Yeah I mean I think it's pretty easy to Germany. Put Him with anybody. I think he can get along with anybody. I don't think there's anybody here that's going to really get on his nerves so I feel like that. He has a lot of runway to work with whatever way he wants to go. Is there any way that that could too. Many people feel like they're working with him and then it's almost like that. It's a quote another person from a potential sticky situation. I mean I guess you know sense. He was just I mean if he if he does have friends on both sides of the with the old school versus the new school. I could see Boston. Robbing somebody who you know. Both of them are still in the game. He's like rate Jeremy Friends with everybody tend to go. Yeah but I think eh because he had still has a reputation for being a loyal person that people can still trick themselves into thinking that they're the exception option and that it's it's you know. The relationship with them is real at a point where whereas like with. Maybe I just because we've discussed tonight tonight. Sarah where she was you know double dealing with absolutely everyone and everyone ended up being like no. She didn't have shit about me either. I think that that really benefits him because people people want especially with someone is likable As Jeremy like God like wouldn't you want to be number one So I think that even if a lot of people if people start comparing notes possibly that could get into some trouble but I do think that people people might convince themselves that they are the person that he would play an idol on and that he's truly loyal to so and another thing this going back to the kids thing they all have kids. They're all going to be talking about kids. Twenty four seven. Jeremy succeeded in second chances because he didn't talk about his kids. You didn't talk about the war. Maybe he did a little bit but like he didn't talk about Vallon born why didn't of course. Yeah so if they're all talking about their kids out there in Jeremy is kind of constantly subtly reminding them that he is the family guy who won the game same with that big passionate speech at the end. That's probably not a good idea. Yeah but they all have kids now that kind of reminder is nothing some of the a lot of them do like. There's a team of three three German number four. Like there's probably almost exactly the amount of kids like you could probably put twenty kids Nick Adams Sophie and all Wendell that that we know of of all these people now Natalie already thank you. This denise have decided the need to twentieth too. I think there's a lot of kids. We'll they're twenty eight of forty eight. Yeah Yeah So. That's why I don't think that that is shown dressed as a as a thing anymore. Where and I don't know I just think it gets it's different like the big thing was like you know? He has two daughters and he talks about daughter a lot because I know he talked about how like Spencer was like really bad at like pretending adding to like connect with people emotionally being like because he just kept repeating. Like Oh and Jordan. Is this age and Cameron. Is this age so I know. He talked about his daughter's a lot. It was more so back vowels pregnant and then finding filing to get his first son whereas now he's got two daughters. He's got two sons that he might be able to tell them that that back and like you. You Know Robin umbrellas soccer team that they're going to be trying to play for so I don L.. That's going to be as dangerous as it was before. Do you think it will be hard for a non parent to to win the season especially talking about two million dollars is a life changing amount might ask anybody who's going to be frivolous with with the money. That's out there in terms of these winners but I do feel like that that it would be tough. Ray I maybe Ethan the one non parent who I could see the jury very rewarding honestly. I had forgotten that it's two million dollars like everybody else didn't but I certainly did. I was just like in in my head thinking about a million bucks and I'm like Oh yeah two million this season so like even more so I feel like definitely the people that are like nonsol- not so likely to win like they're really not so likely to win now reminder me like I don't like feeling not good about picking Natalie so I wish that I didn't think about this is that I think that that is a really good point people. Obviously they want to give the money to someone that they feel. It is a worthy representative. I love this. He's in but I definitely think that besides like ability just feeling good that Allen. My niece's kids so your own business is this too so like I feel like in a way that she can circumvent that. Yeah they need to have a purpose. And that's one of the things that Natalie's that Natalie elite in her interview was talking about last time I pushed towards the second half of the game. I did it for Nadia and I always had that motivation of I want to get revenge for Nadia and then as Jeremy he got voted out. I want to get revenge for Jeremy. I'm doing this for now. Both of them and coming into this and she's like I don't know what I have to play for. She's like I gotta get something to motivate me if I if I ever play. Ah Anything then. I'm going to be like I just want this money to give my cat's like a better way to go over. Well I don't know I just foster lots of kittens didn't vote for people like You know if you're if you're nick maybe you say I wanna work with Wendell and atom or Michelle L. whereas if you sort of like oh boy but these people are talking about their kids a lot. We don't have a chance if we get to the final three that they're definitely gonNA awarded a two one or the other parents out there. Maybe US people who are the people who do not have a family yet need to be working together. Kids are going to run out here and seal all our money I do. This came up on survivor ghost island. I think that that was something that I think that I forget it was something that Bradley was actually talking about. Or something that Dominic Dominic was concerned about that that he had heard Bradley might be talking about of you know that we have to vote out the people that have kids or the all the parents because we don't avid shot so who knows all right Jeremy Collins a matter already calling his shot winner. I mean I think the only one who wants a woman to win this season so I'm hoping for that but my gut every time that I know all right. It goes back to Jeremy All right right Hayley Jeremy. I feel good about Germany. But I don't feel the greatest vote. Jeremy Okay Jedi Hot takes hot take. I think that Jeremy can do do well. In this season I can see scenario where he wins. Obviously I've already called my shot with Natalie being a winner and I don't see a scenario where both of them I will. Oh can they. Both we winners as I absolutely love that I have to say I can split it. Yeah if only I do see him making taking it to the merge but I might see like similar finish to San Juan del Sur. I've already said we're emerged boot or a few few boots after talking it through. I wonder maybe if we could see a scenario that where germ is in good with everybody. Everybody and people look around and say boy. If we don't knock Jeremy Out right here he is going to win and that was Kinda what almost happened to him in survivor Cambodia. Boda it was spencer. Who Said Hey you know? I'm telling you Kinney's not with us and people that Jerry Cans gimmes with us and that was well that was blindsided and then Kelly Wentworth played her idol and then Jeremy Played His idol and ended up. Being a zero zero tie in. Kimmy ended up going home. which is another ally that Germany he didn't have the blood directly on her on his hands and she was also targeting him but there was a shot at him at the final six and maybe ABC? This time around they do get in before he starts to get right into that end game where he's potentially making a fire. So maybe a deep ron and then picked off right before he can get close to that final three just definitely. I really quickly about Jerry. Has He ever played from the bottom like the bottom bottom. I just remember like He. He didn't respond. He is in San. Juan del Sur. He was in down the numbers where that it was. It was a point where here I think that they could have thrown a challenge that it was because read and Josh had been together reading Josh and the Christie Brothers were on the tribe and and I think they could have thrown a challenge. Voted him out. Okay my my only point and that was I remember how Jeremy Acted when Kimmy betrayed him he was like Oh you tried to betray. Trey me okay. I wasn't really hot. Yeah exactly a little entitled at times so the text messages. I've awesome fantasy football. He's he thinks he's a Taurus. Yes so Horace can be very stubborn and they also have a little bit like it's called the bowl thing so right so there can be a little bit bull headed but Torres are our loyal. They are hard working. The way that you Jeremy Talks about his family is so very like Taurus to me he. He's pretty he's protective and loyal but don't mess with him because he is a little bit bull headed. So that's my why you might see Jeremy Get a little spicy at times another thing. That's great about Jeremy is that he's the only person that refers to Stephen Fish back. Steve in Steve Steven ever say. Call Me Steve. I don't think a heave. Jeremy has the nickname for Jeremy. So okay there you go all right. What a panel tonight? I had so much fun talking about these four four survivor very much so this was great fun and it was nicer like the the four that we got to talk about today. They're all kind of connected in a way like they all came from around the same time we've been the two of them have played with each other and is like really. I'm I'm so happy to get to talk about these four in particular. Still Mad at Haley for her. She opened the podcast. Do she likes me rubbing grab ass Jenny Kansas to win. Okay okay. Thanks for the chat. If you got him it was going to say and I thought about the superintendent says do you think any of them will raise the flag on the edge of extinction extinction and go home. Can't thinks that they will. I have to say no fricken chance. Whatsoever one come back from imagine extinction with only Yuka? We've seen of it so you've gotta think they're like Oh. Why would I risk it? Like I'm still in the game. So yes actually with the opportunity to win Advan or to get advantages. That could help you in the edge of extinction. Challenge with the fire tokens that maybe it's it's like well. I'm not athletic so I can't do it. But maybe there's ways that you could potentially by a by way to the final part or some other way to get into the game and it's not just winning challenge. Nobody's nobody's leaving with two million dollars on the Line Avenue. Yeah and you're not going home like Alex Watch Rob Boston. Rob Cast a jury vote. No chance at by the way I we just thinking about this too. You know they sit there doing edgy. Extinction and guaranteed them. You'll have at least one chance to get back into the game. That's what probe sets. Ross so so I am on early hopeful that they do edge of extinction for the pre merger and then say so something here for the March abandoned. But what I do. I hope that they stop it earlier of I agree with idle. Stop giving them an idol. Please do gory of the lake. Idols that expire at certain times like I was. I was a fan of that from thirty nine. If you're going to be giving idols. Let's like make them more like time bombs. Just just watch Chris and Tommy are going to enter the game. The final seven going to run okay. Let's see if any good questions aid to the questions or recollections Pedro's me as a firefighter can devalue the the other fire tokens. You see what I'm saying Jenny if we had them all right so what sign is wanting to sign is one the most times car burn burn. Woo Few capricorn on this. Cast Rob and Adam and because they're so focused on their goal all stare again. That's the thing like Kabir categories are like Vegas should done you know and they are also they want that money. Yeah Okay all right tomorrow. Night live at nine PM. Eastern we will be recapping the final week of the circle and talk about about the winner and how it all played out. We've got a great panel coming up tomorrow night at nine PM Eastern six. PM Pacific. I believe it will. We'll be myself entire Armstrong Kirsty mckiness America Caskey. And hopefully the professor. Tim Wilson will join us one more time to talk about about everything that goes on in the final week of the circle and then on Monday nights seven PM Eastern four Pacific. We're GONNA talk about all the stragglers the a winner. The one time players one in the thirties. We haven't talked about. That's GonNa be Michelle from survivor. Koran Adam from millennials versus gen x band. Bergen talk about Wendell Holland and Nick Wilson coming up on Monday night so tune in for that one. Our final preseason around table talking about all of the winners okay. Haley what's going on on the bachelor. RECAP PERHAP- these days. There's been a couple of champagne accidents over on the bachelor shish champagne. Can you give us the quick version. Yes so Kelsey. Brought Champagne that she's owned for one single year to the bachelor share and a special moment with Peter. She got asset near a fireplace ham and came across the champagne I think she tried to set champagne date with Peter. As well I producers awesome say led her to that Champagne told her pop that bottle they did because he got Super Mad later on Kelsey found Hanane Champagne they decided to just pop that and then she made the cardinal mistake drinking out of a champagne bottle and it never did impress Hodayan. TV just don't drink straight from champaign doesn't work as well as with other other follow checkout amy and Haley on the bachelor wrap up everywhere. The the This this week show is already up. Yes yes he'd check it out. Okay all right Jenny. Ah What's going on with you. I don't know what is going on here up. I'm just hanging out trying to get over pneumonia and I am pneumonia. I went to the doctor and finally yesterday. I've got pneumonia so you know what I'm podcasting with pneumonia guys so maybe you can be nice about my astrology bullshit. Okay if anyone wants talk about it you can tweet at me Adjani autumn and other than that. I have nothing going on in my life so feel bad for me. uh-huh now really excited for this season. Very very rare review. What's new not much is new? You you know podcast in about the challenge when that's on but that's not on right now the survivor all stars. Mary plugged it. I think last week. We went back and watched all-star. So if you haven't checked out yet I've been a big all-star since since that was that was my first season this season it. Yeah I didn't know you at the time. I didn't know I was my first season. I didn't watch anything guy. Yeah Amber this are rob lost in such a way that he did. It said all the people that I was rooting for God acts in Boston. Robin his cronies continuous. It was it was my first season so I didn't know anybody and I came in loving God number because they were running the season and then one and that it was just the best feel good story of all time so Mary and myself and it seems like more people are coming to us with like. Oh we also kind of like all stars thought it was just me So apparently there's more of us out there so that was fun over on Caskey cast ask and of course back. When the survivor season starts up again I guess maybe a little sad to say that? I won't be doing three to one the season because I will be doing some power our rankings which I just need to talk about every single one of these players. They can't just talk about like six weeks. So the big format this season eight takeaways from watching survivor. All Stars ars on the REWATCH. I took away amber needs to get a little bit more credit Ah just overall. I think that we got her thought process pretty often throughout the late part of the game and she was definitely just as much as part of the team but I thought to after I watched it again for the evolution strategy. I do think it's interesting. We talk more about the meat shields in terms of the thirties. But I wonder how much was amber sort of. Hey I'll go where he's going and how much was she sort of like calculus of. Hey I'm going to You know I'll be fine as long as I put this guy out in front of me. He'll lose and this is how I'm going to win the game. Yes she was. She was following along with every step the way they make decisions together she did hold him back in moments where he might have like otherwise bend a little bigger for what he should have been in the game so she definitely deserves some. So how crazy was it to sit down and watch today a preseason interview of amber first season. It was just insane to me. I couldn't smiling me either. She looked incredible. She really looks amazing. Not only my is. What's crazy to me about? It is that she's an issue is like Oh you know. Nobody's going to believe that nobody is going to be looking for me. Nobody's going to expect that I'm here and it's like this is the same exact thing that happened last. Oh I can't I have too big of a target. Forget everybody's coming for me like nobody's ever looking for me season. Is this time. We'll see the way and Brandt. How about you? Ah I know you were so worked up about sequester. It's how I watch my reality. TV Rob it's very hard for me to this associate myself. From on my television. I was laughing because you were very proud and I saw that audrey was like is this. We tried something cancer. Don't think he's going to go and take it easy. I really liked what you said though like I got to like I 'cause I told him when I first decided you know as I said I told her I would like to cover the show. You're like you think it's it's ready to be covered. I said yes and I'm like I'm going to call them as I see whether it's good or bad like I'm not going to give the show special treatment. Basically on big brother I call him as I see the guy on the couch watching it and some people appreciate it and some people don't but I don't expect anyone to like we just but I am who I am. I'm like Popeye. You know I am the I want everyone to me. I can't really avenue all right there. You go all right. We we have got so much going on this month and plenty to talk about with sequester and all this survivor stuff going on in our patron groups a lot of talk this week about all all of the events that we have a planning for we have four live shows coming up here in season forty including a big premiere party and RHA P ten year anniversary in Los Angeles that we're doing lots of stuff going ought patrons are of you know grabbing up tickets left in writing for everything that we're doing if you want to be part of that. Rj Patriot community. 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Survivor 40 | Why __ Lost Episode 12 RHAPup with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis

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Survivor 40 | Why __ Lost Episode 12 RHAPup with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis

"If you WANNA survivor in your feeling down deviating justly gobbled turn it around. They'll break down the rule sandwich. Show you how you've seen yourself and this is why blank Bob Lang. Welcome to this week's edition of why blink loss I'm due to Bloomberg and currently hiding in my spy couch funds. Now I guess I met the water well by your count going on. That's what makes for good smile couch. I definitely couldn't see you. WanNa to your finance in your Calix. Sarah knew that there was a spy. Ns there. I know I didn't know was happening. You start down. I'm like what you see. Ladies and gentlemen this is not rehearse this even remember doing things so yes by the way. Yeah and obviously this is my co host Jessica Lewis. Just sitting there in full view of everybody. I know I was like what is happening. There is no explanation but now I understand. That was yes. And yes and Happy Jessica. Lewis Day everybody. The survivor history. Twitter Account has dedicated today to Jessica very much survive in history. I appreciate it. I was quite surprised to see that. But it's always there speier remembered so thanks so so neither of us were right in our predictions. Get US your sign again. I now I was really really hoping because I was watching episode and I'm like Damn I might get these my sign again and then all hell broke person. Yeah yeah as a matter of fact. Speaking of all hell breaking loose after the episode aired. Like right after I tweeted that I thought the result was probably the same as it was coming into tribal council but after my rewatch I was reconsidering the idea. And then terron mentioned in his podcast that Nick said on a now deleted twitch stream. Nick and these twits streams That ben indeed change his vote at tribal council causing nick to change his vote to avoid rocks. Yes I did hear about that as well. Okay interesting note there. Yeah so you heard about the foot stream or some other way stream. Yes and I had wondered after my rewatch. Why Nick Switch? Since the last thing we saw was him saying he wasn't going to so this explains that outcome. And you know. Apparently we did have that. Very rare instance. Survivor wants us to believe happens all the time. But the very rare instance of a truly live tribal council with the vote. Actually changing with a whole lot of issues. We're going to have to discuss. And how they got there but we will get there. Yeah Yeah and so yeah now. We have a better idea of what happened as much as we can. We need to figure out why it happened to do that. Of course we'll follow our usual path of comparing Kim's game to rules. I originally wrote way back after season. One and had been modifying. Ever since looking at all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on. Tv CBS all access social media plus a special look back at some old articles from my website. Dating back to when Kim I played go late. 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Be Having A post-season Cuny podcast about a week. After our finale podcasts. So everyone start thinking about what questions you want to ask and feel free to shoot them to us and if you do it on twitter we'll try to remember not to answer it right. Then actually wait until until the podcast you can also diem awesome. What else they want to. They don't WanNa post directly on twitter. You can do it that way. That's true that's true. We do have other couple topics to discuss before focusing on Kim I. This is more just amusing more than anything beginning of the episode. Sarah told us she knew she couldn't get to pest and then she exploded so if that is Sarah not being pissed. I don't WanNa see Sarah when she is pissed. I Know Sarah Scary. When she's angry and but also very poignant and very clear in her words and hurt and how she expresses herself. There was no question at all at. Tony screwed up roiling her mind and that. Tony needed to make it up to her. In every which way possible in order to get her good graces again and clearly. That's exactly what he spent a whole time. Do it right now. Speaking of people being upset this question has come up with something of a mystery. Why is Ben So mad at Jeremy? Wright doesn't make any sense yeah I I think it goes back to what we have so often see happened. The vilification of the park. So you you want someone to go so badly that your brain starts to make up reasons. You get mad at them. Yeah I think it's like the brain protecting itself. You don't want to vote out good people so you convince yourself. They're a bad person. I have good reason to get rid of them. You know some people can just play the game and say well. I'm getting rid of that person. But I think the brain just wants to make that person the enemy you know. And that's an interesting point. Because I do think that in Ben's season he was the one that was being vilified so we find him on a completely different arena now where he is not the one. That's being vilified if anything he's doing everything he can to try to avoid being a villain and he sharing too much information and he's really trying to ingratiate himself with equal except someone like Jeremy which it would be to his benefit really to ingratiate himself with someone like Jeremy the help further along his own game but I do think it's interesting that he it's like he's trying to find a reason to target Jeremy is. Jeremy is just that nice guy that everybody really likes. And so in BEN'S MIND. He has kind of flipped the script on how he perceives. Jeremy as opposed to everybody else perceives. Jeremy Yeah and just like people got mad at Ben for surviving in his season You're Jeremy Apparently pissing Ben off by surviving. So it's interesting very interesting but also very odd. I can't imagine I mean I know. In my season there was there was a lot of tension between some of us in your really chatting air much but at the same time to just there wasn't such a. I'm not speaking to you kind of like that. Element kind of went away. It was there for a moment and then we just kind of tolerated each other and we still spoke socially round fire eating. There wasn't just this. I'm putting up a wall. I'm not going to speak to you response. Which I think is pretty shocking in a game like this to just completely shut somebody down and not even listen to what they say. Oh I think that's a really really incredible. Yeah so all right well enough. Talking about angry people we could move onto the rules in his weekly online summary. Jeff drope said when you're playing against all winners you don't have to make a mistake to get voted out. Was Kim completely mistake free? Like he suggested she did. Step down the challenge for food. So did she lose because peanut butter and cookies or is there more to it than that. It's time to figure out why Kim lost the first and most important rule talks about the scheme and plot and we know Kim understood this quite well from her first time playing when she controlled virtually everything as Dalton. Ross put it in his entertainment. Weekly recap in that game. All roads lead this Kim Spradlin and she was at the center of everything happening. Both socially and strategically this time though Kim start out on the bottom as a target. Because you'll wanted to go after the poker alliance. She quickly realized that she was a possible target because nobody would talk to her. But that didn't stop her from trying. Indeed both she and amber were left out but we saw a whole montage of Kim trying to talk to people. We didn't see that from Ambra and from what you will said in his strategy tweet at the time before. He was bowled not to do that anymore. Her persistence paid off because he ended up locking to Kim and getting her on board for Potential Future Votes. And that was an interesting thing to watch actually happen at the vote where there was kind of a reaffirming shoulder tap or something from you will to him like we got you in a year. Okay and I do think that she learned very quickly that she was going to have to be working a little bit harder with this group but that yes she at least stepped up and was trying to get involved in the strategy. Talk and was was not getting much I mean. She acknowledged that the people aren't talking to me and I'm walking into conversations and she struggled with it. I mean. She was very upset that she'd never felt that way in her season. So this was a whole different game for him to be playing where she wasn't playing with people that she could control. She had to start playing with people who were controlling things around her and I think that caused a struggle for her very early on but she did really try to step up and deal with it instead of just letting things happen around her. Yeah and she apparently did a pretty good job convincing the others on her original try but she was with them because they focused on getting rid of Tyson. A united front at the SLOP. Of course Kim immediately fled her group because she knew she was still on the bottom and if they had lost one more challenge she would have been the one booed. It's much different type of strategy that you have to employ when you know your position in the tribe is not at the top. It's not even in the middle. It's definitely at the bottom. It certainly changes the dynamics and and how you approach people and there is more of a willingness to go along with one other people are suggesting because you know you don't have the power and control like she always had in one world. I mean not control any entire thing in one world. Yeah and this time. She had to fight from the bottom continually in last week's episode. She pulled together. Tyson Jeremy telling them lots of conversations were going on and they weren't a part of them and I'm sorry that would have been two weeks ago. Obviously Tyson wasn't there you know and none of them had any friends out there you. She just kept fighting and trying to get something strategic pulled together but it never worked well and I do have to give her a lot of props or her desire to do that. Because that in this season we've seen as soon as you put somebody else there. If you start trying to strategize against someone suddenly then you become target which is exactly what transpired in this episode. So the fact that she was still willing to step up knowing this is going to potentially put a target on my back but she knew that the numbers were necessity. You've got eight people going into a vote. You need to have five in order to avoid going to rocks and who knows where the idols our. Because obviously they now. Sophie's idol is back in play and Sophie announced that she went out on idol in our pocket. So there's all of these other things that you have to be. Mindful of and at least Kim was trying to work through those scenarios in her head and unfortunately had to bring in someone like Ben and talked to him in order to try to get the numbers. And that's really what I think started that ball. I'm in the wrong direction for him. Yeah I mean you've you've person perfectly segued us into the second rule because one aspect of her going fight was that eventually it was bound to be noticed and the second rule says scheming plot too much to keep your scheming secret and like you mentioned at the beginning of the episode. Kim said it was obvious the Jeremy was going next. But Tony and Sarah problem. She said she had a relationship with Sarah. Sir Tony was the one who had to go and it brings up the question of why not. Just stay with the group you know thinking. Jeremy should be next. He's a threat to just ask Ben. I said before naming names before the immunity challenge is dangerous and this is a perfect example of Wise Amerifactors. Such a perfect example. I'll probably add to the rules. The she named Tony. He won immunity so he couldn't be the target and then people told him what she had been trying to do. She said it was the riskiest move. She's ever had to make but she felt she had to do something to turn her situation around. My thing is she didn't need to do something like that to Turner situation around at this specific point in the game because she was safe for now but once Ben told Tony that Kim was the one pushing his name. She became Tony's prime target. Yes I think that. We learned a lot from Tony's last episode or might even before that when he managed to pull together the votes but he did it right before tribal council was happening like there was a place everybody knew what they were doing and then immediately before he switched it up because he knows that in this game time is not on your side with certain things and when you go to tribal council you only have so much time. If we get there the more people can think and spend things in the brain the more that they can try to talk themselves out of it or they can try to change things so you can't give people a whole lot of time to necessarily process which is exactly what candidate here. She gave way too much time to go back and scheme plot in Kabul other ideas. You Know Ben. Being that person who went to Tony. And then nick terribly line to Tony about it. You know so but it's one of those things that was terrible. Yeah Yeah maybe she did say that. Yeah Yeah you and that's the thing I mean it's hard. I the first time I ever lied up there. I felt horrible. I was like visit an awful feeling. When you're like you are actually lying to someone's face so yeah it's not easy to do but that's why if you give people too much time to think about stuff and to run around. Tony wouldn't have had that time to run around and find out what was transpiring if it hadn't even been done because like you said. He want immunity so if he wins immunity. She's Never Tony's name and that's to me. It's very strange. That whole the whole thing is weird and I. I don't know at what point we really. WanNa talk about the immunity challenge but if you know the target is Tony Nick. Why are you giving up? We'll talk about that in later but but I do think that it's it's one of the situations where I've gone into immunity challenges knowing who the target is for that evening and I'm not saying that you shouldn't have a target because it does. It is kind of a sigh of relief when that person goes out of the challenge. And you're like okay. That person is is now no longer immune so our plans that we kind of set place but it's a different. It's a different time. I think in survivor. And especially with this group knowing how the votes are shifting and how people are moving so quickly and that there are potentially live tribals that you really need to kind of keep your scheming and plotting close to the vest and only with those people that you know. We're not going to throw you under the bus because we've seen it happen time and time again as soon as you mentioned someone's name than it spins and it's right back at you so. I do think that Kim. It wasn't a bad idea for her to try. The timing of it was completely wrong. I mean in your situation that you're talking about you. Were already in a core alliance situation in this group. Things are flipping back and forth. People are moving. You know. You can't expect if you're in a core alliance talking to you know two three four people who you trust and have worked together throughout game or at least throughout the last few out thing to say okay. This is our next target but if some people are jumping back and forth you can't just gather five random people together expect everybody's going to be on the same page for the next three days or whatever since you were left out of the last we'll craziness that went down so clearly. These people are not working with you. I haven't really seen she and Ben work together really at all this entire season. And so you really are relying on someone who I think. It's clearly We're seeing that. Ben has a stronger relationship with someone like Tony. And you're you're going to that person and saying. Hey Tony's our target. It's not a bad discussion to at least have like. Hey what are we thinking about doing? You know how do we see things unfolding to kind of see where people are at? But she was literally going to every single person and telling. This is what we have to do because we're running out of time but again yes it needs to happen if you're going to make it happen but when you're relying on people that you don't have that close on with who have close bonds with evil over here. It's that is a very very slippery slope. And unfortunately she she put herself in a really bad predicament that she wasn't in at the start VIPs O'Donnell players should of course always looking for ways to put themselves in a better position and Kim recognized how dangerous the cops are us. Duo is but she said herself and tribal council. That everyday is a clean slate. Person on the bottom of one day can be calling the shots. The next she should have listened to our own advice and waited another day then she could talk about targeting Tony when Tony didn't have immunity after Ben's prime target. Jeremy is gone. Maybe ben is more of a free agent. Then don't give everyone time and opportunity to spill the beans. Yes and also. I don't know if we want to reference at here but this whole idea of Jess Jeremy was the original target and she was thinking that Tony and Sarah were a duo and they needed to be split them so her returning back to that Jeremy Vote. I think was interesting because if you are concerned as Tony and Sarah and now you're like well let's just go back to Jeremy then and that to me was also a misread by him as well because she was allowing that duo to continue. She wasn't doing anything to potentially stop that duo from progressing taking the other half right right exactly now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back we're back so let's get back to the show all right So we can move onto the third rule which talks about being flexible as I mentioned earlier. You and Erik Reichenbach selected Kim as the example for this rule in our poster because of the flexibility. She showed her first season. How do you think she did this time? I don't think she was able to lay the flexibility away that she did previously because she had a lot more avenues in one world because she was the one calling the shots so she's in charge of this group of five and and she's the one who's able to manipulate the direction of the vote because she is literally Tony Her season. If we want to say that like me now I don't remember a Kim spy ship. That's how in control cameras in her season. She knew everything that was going on. Everybody we know what they were doing how they were playing the game they were targeting and in the thing that was interesting about one world is how visible it was everyone that the this this group of five was controlling things that was really making the decisions but nobody can infiltrate skinless so good at manipulating. Everybody Nice Fortunately Kim finds herself situation where it's almost like. She's being forced to be flexible in a way that she never wanted to be flexible. You know she has to be willing to flip and okay. I wanted to work with amber. Like she was really interested in an amber kind of being her rider. Die And now she's got voted out because it's either she tyson or amber and so she had to say all right while I'm GONNA cut my losses on an amber but I so. I think that she was trying to be flexible. But from a position of the atom in trying to determine what's the next best route like we saw her last week flip over to the other side and she even said I don't want to do this. But what other choice do I have? I have got to be on the numbers. And so she flipping and going to the other side and so she was possible but just from a much different perspective. Yeah you might as well have been reading law of my notes. It's like you said two weeks ago. She pulled in Jeremy to form a new alliance last week. She went against Jeremy at in all cases plans were foiled but she was willing to work with any woman. I mean maybe this weaker tempted alliance. It would include to wider variety of people. But she just kept trying you know. She was super flexible. Because for a different reason than last time. You said all right well. The fourth players not to let their emotions control them. Historically this has not been an issue for him in fact there was a secret seen in her original season. Where my writer who was covering secret scenes for reality news online a said she was quote coming off more and more like a female. Brian Heidrick And that was because she was calm. Cool and calculating at the time her ally Chelsea was struggling emotionally about eliminating. The men and Kim told us she knew exactly how Chelsea felt. She felt the same way but she couldn't let her conscience interfere because quote. This is the game. I'm here to play for a million dollars. I'm sure she brought that same attitude into this season. And as we talked about in the Third World we saw her jump back and forth as necessary so she wasn't getting emotionally tied into who she was playing. Yeah and I think a lot of people are really doing very well with this this season. Where they they`re. They're understanding when they need to cut their losses and she has clearly been doing that because of the position that she's been put in as well she's been planning from the bottom so she can't play emotionally because again. I do think that when you were playing that position you'll lose the ability to respond the way they want to. Because you have to kind of see where the tide is taking you and unfortunately you might really like someone or have a close bond of them. WanNa play the game with them. But you have to understand. It's time to just cut. The Fat Trim. The fat I need to focus on myself. And if that's who everybody wants to go then okay and and that's what we saw happen with Jeremy Week. She was like okay. I'm just GonNa go along with with where the majority is even on. It might not be what she wanted to do for her own game. She understood that it got her one step further in the game but I do think she's at a point now where she realized that whole resume thing is looming. And you gotTa have some type of resume and you have to start making moves. She was just in a tough spot to really allow an emotional component commander voting as opposed to trying to save herself and heap or solving the game. Yeah now one thing going back to what you said you know. In the second rule I think it was talking about you know if if maybe it was the third wall. I don't remember Atari about if one member of the duo is safe. And maybe you go after the other member I. It's possible I should have added the word mostly when I mentioned. She wasn't getting emotionally tied to anyone. Because you have a question here If Kim was so set on splitting those two up like you said she could've pushed to switch the vote to Sarah. Wants Tony One immunity. I mean Sarah herself even thought she was endanger tribal council. But Kim didn't because she said she has a relationship with Sarah. That's a good point The question is was it an emotional slash friendship relationship or a strategic relationship. I don't know the answer. But if you're targeting a duo in part because they're do and one of the do a wins immunity. You should go after the other part. Kim Didn't and it makes me wonder if this one time her emotions did get in the way just enough to cause a problem. It is interesting because there wasn't a secret scene between the two of them where they really seem to have a moment and I don't know if Kim walked away from that thinking that she had a connection now with Sarah that went beyond just playing the game but I think also part of Kim had a desire to play the game with Sarah. I don't remember exactly how she phrased it but it was. It was kind of like rebuilding the relationship with her or something of that. Nature am curious if maybe she thought she could play the game with Sarah and that that would benefit her. But at this point there's only seven people. There's only so much time left in the game. I don't know of now's the time to really try to be doing that. You should be looking at someone like denise who you've been playing a game with you've got this relationship established with as opposed to now here where seven people after. I want to try to or eight people at the time. Try to rebuild this bond with her so I do wonder if there was some type of emotional poll there that caused her to shift back. Jeremy as opposed to Sarah Mean Jeremy like you said at the beginning. He's someone you don't WanNa be sitting next to at the end either. So you know the idea of voting. Jeremy wouldn't have been a bad thing for Kim so I don't know why shifting back to Jeremy as opposed to Sarah would have been beneficial to her just because Sara is just as much I think it hindrance to her game if she sitting next to her at the end as well right. Yeah all right. The fifth rule is all about social game and reminds players. They need to pretend to be nice. I don't think anyone can really doubt that Kim doing well here. What do you think Kim is just the sweetest person I mean in? The thing that I appreciate about him is that she does have an ability to talk with people and I think this was a different Kim. We saw this week where she was talking more at them kind of telling him. This is what we have to do. She's always been very good at it just having conversations about prospect and possibilities in how we WANNA see the game move forward without necessarily acting as if she's in control even though she was in control and when it was her her social social game is what us her to win one world. So now it's a. It's a different version of him so she still very good socially but again what I suppose. She's playing from different possession. So you can be as Nice as you want to these people but if they don't want to play with you for whatever reason they just don't WanNa play with you and and I think that can was someone who they were probably fearful of because of her social promise and her ability to communicate so well with people so she's been kind of I think like left off kilter like this full season because it's a different environment where she's having to play and then she was before. Yeah yeah she seemed to have good social relationships with almost everybody maybe excluding Tony who? She didn't seem to be as close to. I don't know but she friend befriended just about everyone. Indeed Sophie told US early in the season that Kim was the most socially adept person out there. And she's the nicest person now impart this leads us to the sixth rule which warns against being too much of a threat because the rest of that quote from Sophie that I just mentioned talked about how everybody knew that Kim being socially adept was how she won. Like you said and everybody would see that as threatening that that opinion was shared by others and continued through the game as we saw Sarah Pushing Tony to get him out a couple of weeks ago because she had everybody in her back pocket and I did think it's interesting that you know one of the things that were faulting here for her desire to try to altogether five people but that is also part of what Kim is so good at and so perhaps that why. That's why I thought that Kim thought that she could pull this off. But I do think that you're so far into the game that even though she had people in her back pocket. She just didn't have the right people on her back pocket. You know she did have some that were you know. She's got denise and and that is a tight rope there Jeremy and Tyson so she did have people that she really was connected to the other ones are a little more surface and unfortunately it just didn't carry into the Kim that we saw previously cs but she's great at it and she someone who could sit at the end and certainly you know communicate very well and talk to each individual person about those relationships that she created but unfortunately there was a couple. That just didn't get as much attention and those are the people that she really needed this week. In order to pull off this move well engineered to not have brought up Tony's name before to those people before the challenge because yeah that's another thing but coming into the season. I said in our preview podcast. Although Kim only played once she did such a good job that I figured she'd still be considered a fairly big threat. And that didn't help podcasts. And articles have talked about how good she was. She said pregame that she thought others would be bigger threats but then we heard from some of the other players that they did indeed worry about her. I figured she would make the merge but not near the end because people would worry too much about her and that is part of what happened. Yeah I mean. I don't think that there's very many survivor winners. Who have a reputation like she does of really owning their entire season? I mean that's what Kim is known for and so coming into a group of forty play of all winners season forty. Where a lot of these people. They never played the perfect game. If you think about it I mean it took some people multiple times to win so you know someone like. Tyson came back three times where he won and for Cam. She went in there and killed it once and she literally owned her season. So I do think that another survivor player. Seeing that is going to definitely be threatened by that because if she comes in she can pull it off with a group of winners I I mean that would have been a huge feat for her so yeah I mean she already came in at a threat level of English different than most because nobody saw her play an imperfect game whereas some of these returning players. We've seen imperfection we've seen that do so well and her. No one had ever seen that right now. Of course we can't leave this role without noting that beyond just being general threat to everybody. Kim made herself a direct threat to Tony with her plan. As we discussed in the second world just like Tony saw sophie as a direct threat him last week and how he felt. Tyson was the week before Starting to see a pattern. Yeah for sure and I do think that that's interesting. That in this particular vote. I her mentioning Tyson. And this is what. I was kind of struggling with looking at everyone's decision in how they ended up voting and and they're agreeing with Tyson or exile agreeing with Tony to vote out wasn't benefiting anyone really except Tony and maybe Sarah. So it's it's one of those interesting votes to see come together because how how is voting out can going to necessarily benefit anybody else getting further in the game when you still have the Tony and Sarah sitting there. You still have Jeremy said in there and now you've got rid of Kim someone who is actually voting with you working like Mitt. You know like I don't know how that was going to benefit neck. Like our suddenly going to flip in and vote him as opposed to what we are going to be doing previously. So I do think that you know. There's there's some issues there. Because yes she mentioned Tony's name. Tony wants her. Gone the only person that that's directly threatening to is Tony. Tony Gone Well. Yeah but he keeps winning all of a sudden the seventh recovers idols advantages and although we talked about it when it happened we need to once again address. Kim Wasting her idol which would have come in awfully handy when she realized she might be the target as we mentioned when it first happened a couple of weeks ago there was literally no reason for him to play the idol on denise and that situation because the numbers just didn't add up she either should have played it on herself which would have been totally understandable and the chaos or held onto. Yes hersher and it's unfortunate because that was one of those situations where I mean. She tried to read room since he's really good at it and try to figure out where the votes were were put but because of the split vote. It really didn't benefit hurry. It didn't matter so yeah. It would have been great. She still had her back pocket and GonNa play this week. Cher. Yeah now before Kim could use the idol. She had to find it and we've already discussed both Kim's strategic and Social Game. But now that we're in this rule we have something. Kim Did that highlighted both when she found the two part idle and gave half to Sophie at the time very early in the game. Sophie told us that Kim should be telling Tyson about the idol. Not Hurt as she put. Kim was telling bedevil who had never worked with her. But I think that was the whole point as an olive branch to tell Sophie. She wanted to work with her in a slightly Less blunt way that you will did you know. Unfortunately we didn't see much of the resolution of that specific situation and the two ended up on opposite sides at the end. But at the time I think it was a fairly smart move on her part to try to get closer to Sophie when when she was on the bottom. When Kim was on the bottom and also pre-game she even talked about wanting to play with Sophie. She thought Sophie was kind of another version of herself. And so I think that that was part of that decision as well. This woman she had already kind of determined. I'd like to play the game with and she had an opportunity to play there and still thought. I WANNA play the game so great way to try to as you said. Extend that all the branch to really let somebody in on your trust circle if you will and say hey I wanNA play with you. I mean Soviet thought it was ridiculous. She was like why you know. But but that was sophie's read on it but I don't. It was a bad play for him at all your seat. All right. We've one of to discuss and while it's not an idler advantage per se. It's a game mechanic so it fits best in this rural much like you pointed out the I'm talking of course about stepping down from the immunity challenge peanut butter cookies. After the episode Kim posted a picture of the amount of food and tweeted for my calculations. Approximately two million dollars of the thing is there's no way to know for sure but I suspect and suspected at the time that the three who got out for food were close to falling anyway and they have at least claimed as much she said she was right on the edge she could feel the bucket starting tip whatever but was it a good move to give immunity for that. No I agree I agree. I'm sorry it's and listen I will. I will go on a little bit of a soapbox after this minute because I did tweet about this. Are you holding your hand up? I did that for like an hour and forty two minutes ahead. Both of my wrists tied up there on a little bit different. But I did tweet about that as well but that was not. I would never do that. Two million dollars not giving up immunity for cookies and chocolate ever and someone was like. Hey people who live in glass. Houses shouldn't are white rocks. Because you put your hand in the bag but totally different. That is totally different. It's totally ever said that to you on twitter. I'm telling you that is illegal totally different. Because here's a situation where it's about. You're not finding yourself at a crossroads line in the sand it's a tie nobody's Levin and you know that whatever decision you make in that moment will affect the end game and that was where we all wear. We knew like if you flip your toast like it's not especially in my situation but when you're trying to win a nudity. That's what you're trying to do. You're trying to immunity and you're not trying to find some mechanism in which to Elongate your game. If your game is going to end that night you know like the idea of eating food is supposed to give you strength and I know that people are hungry. I get it. I mean I was hungry. When is out there too but you really have to kind go through all the permutations if everybody walked into that particular tribal knowing. Tony was the target. At least five people walked in nine. Twenty was the target. That's your goal now granted. It was split. Now you know women men you know what I mean so the so baby. That was part of her stopping herself for not stopping herself because she knew that she couldn't affect Tony. Winning with interesting I definitely interesting. Twist but it kind of just set into motion. She did it then. It makes it okay. Somebody else wants to do it. And then nick dropped out too but I. It's just not worth the risk. It's not worth the risk because you have especially for Kim. She's the one through counties name out there so she's the one if it's GonNa come back and there's going to be any ramifications it will be for it's Kim and now you're stepping down peanut butter and chocolate it. Just it's not worth it. It's just not worth taking that risk at all. Yeah now you're all. This is that in Kim's original season in an episode that aired about nine years in two weeks ago J. Dropped out of the same challenge for Food and Kim. Organiz the vote to get rid of him now. Kim herself step down that time to that time. She got cupcakes but her position in the game win then was much different than it. Was this time yes now as for Jim J. He thought he was safe when he did it. But Kim should've known better this time. It is interesting to recall that Jay said in his day after video. See We dig deep here folks in Jay's day after video he said that everyone judges and says you're a fool when you step down for the way he sought though if you think you're safe that's key if you think you're safe it's extremely important step down and take the food. That's what will get you through the next few days. Jay also pointed out at the viewing audience doesn't know how many alliances you've made and what's going on strategically in the game. He stepped down because the person he thought was going home was already out so she wasn't going to win immunity. He trusted his alliance. Now that's all well and good but in Kim situation. Tony wasn't out yet again. That didn't matter so her participation literally you know didn't impact him at all I'm sure that she similarly fought. She had alliances to keep her safe but she'd been on the bottom for the whole game. She should've known the way. Things were shifting here. It was it any. She had done it to J. J. thought he was safe. She should not have even thought was safe. And this is someone who two weeks prior or three weeks prior is telling other individuals Jeremy and Tyson. We don't have any friends in this game like we are on the bottom. They want us how we do not have any friends and she was not in a situation where she knew. She's got this core alliance people she can rely on in. That moment emigrated and I understand you. She thought she was GONNA fall. Okay if you think you're fall to stand there until you fall and that's that's that's kind of the approach that I would have taken that approach I did take. I don't know I just feel like it's one of those things that you would rather not regret that decision and I think that that was kind of what she'll be struggling with. Is that jeeze? If maybe if I had stayed up there maybe I would have one and then I would. I wouldn't be. We would tighten her right now because she wouldn't have sat down so it is. It's it's just not worth it gets and it's not worth having to relive that moment it because it's it's a different part of the game. Decisions are not yet carbon stone. People have not necessarily made a decision about who they are because obviously they wanted to Tony. Tony now has immunity. So things have to shift and change so immunity directly affects. Who's GonNa end up going home for sure? And also it takes a lot of her power away because two reasons if you wear the immunity necklace if people have more of a willingness and desire to WanNa talk to you about the vote his. I know you can't be voted out. So you have a little more power and control as to where the vote is going to end up but then also as you mentioned it gives people this idea in their head that will. They think that they're comfortable. They're appearing comfortable. Maybe they don't realize this. They shouldn't feel as comfortable as they do. And so it it makes people look at you. I think in a different light. It frustrates people that you're choosing to eat as opposed to struggling through immune challenge. So it's just there's a whole lot of factors there can negatively affect your game instead of positivity helping move forward. Yeah now now as final piece of flashback I looked at the recap I had written for the episode when Jay was voted out which was one of the last articles we posted on Reality News online before I had to shut down nine years ago In the article I mentioned that after the challenge. Jay talked to Kim who assured him that he had nothing crazy to worry about. Kim should certainly of known that this season she had everything crazy to worry about all the time. Well they all did and that's what I found it fascinating that they kind of went domino's especially nick knowing that he was the only thing between the immunity necklace. Tween Tony Getting it. And or Nick. Getting and the fact that nick and again if he thought he was going to fall but he was also negotiating for. Tokens to calm down. You know so so I do think that something right there. You know that there wasn't a realization. That was really down to those two. And that was a a nick would have stopped. Tony winning immunity and again. Maybe we'd be much different discussion. But so many facets of immunity challenge and who wins it and how the vote will end up being directed because of who wins that throwing it away for chocolate and peanut butter. I just don't think it's it's everywhere. If ever weren't the risk for whoever it is now all right we can move onto appendix which is about the rest of the tribe keeping their end goals in mind when voting and of course we talked about the players putting out the weak and the strong than the weak and the strong as I've been saying there are very many players who could be seen as weaker though Tony has of course split them up his mind. You know. In that way. Lions Hyenas bottom feeders whenever he wants to So but I do feel like the strong have still continued to be targets. Jeremy Tony Kim. All of them fit the bill but with Tony Immune. Either of the other two were people who need to go Tony. Sarah and Jeremy Certainly did the right thing to go after Kim but everybody else was going to go after Jeremy so the question is did ben make the right decision. Especially since Ben Flipping was what caused dicta flip from what we discussed at the top? The podcast I'm going to say probably because he stays on Tony's good side while still having the opportunity to turn on Tony when the time is right in the nick ends up in that similar position. Tony knows he still wants Jeremy out so I think he probably made the right move rather than turning on Jeremy and I mean what does he have at that point Ben. He's an outlier in that other group and he doesn't have Tony and Sarah Anymore. Well and that's that is true but I also feel like this is a vote and I mentioned before that really only benefits Tony. Because she's putting Tony's name out there who are so. Tony does want her to stay around. Because she's targeting him and I it's one of those situations where if that person Benzon being targeted Benz not hymns not targeting. Ben Jeremy and Ben have this weird thing but Jeremy clearly wants to work with Ben and I just. It's just seems like an odd mix when you were down to now. Now you've got seven. People left at eight at the time. You have three people and maybe even four. Kim was part of that group with the niece and Nick and Michelle who were talking about final four three so you have a a group of players who are little more aghast. Even as as far as they're thinking about them as coming into the game I guess I should say it that way that they they seem to be a little more on an even playing field coming into the game. I'm not necessarily talking about how they've played this season. But so they're looking at it. Who Do we want to sit next to at the end nick was talking about this and the people that he doesn't. WanNa sit next to at the end or Jeremy. Tony and Sarah and those are the three people that you've said allowed you do not want to be sitting at the end with so then you end up going after Kim because it's going to benefit Tony and so that's where I think. There's a real big disconnect because you there's only so much time left in this game there's only so many more moves where you can actually get out the Jeremy Coney or Sarah and you're running out of time to do it so it's to me. I feel like it was a missed opportunity because really who cares about Tony at this point me. Yes I love Tony. I think he's phenomenal. But if you are playing a game against Tony you have to be looking at. How much time do I have left? How many opportunities to do things? Do I really care at this point. If I have Tony in my back pocket or not or do I really need to take out threats and I think this is a time you really have to say. I just need to take out threats and say to Tony Tony. Sorry but he had to go and that's just the way it is because looking at. Who's leftover here not as threatening as WHO's leftover here and now Benson a situation where Jeremy and Sarah are still there so I just don't think it's his benefit. Yeah I mean I still think Kim was a big threat to. Nobody would want to sit next to Kim at the end either. Well I don't count that sound that and do you think that there's a different. It's different playing field for sure. It is but Kim also has niece Michelle. You know that group. I don't know that Kim or I'm sorry that nick or Ben. Especially Ben was going to be able to break into that group. I wanted to use him for this vote but I think you mentioned earlier. I don't know that she's worked with Ben the whole time. I don't think she you know she wasn't going to take him to final three So ben gains nothing by siding with her right now. He has a chance. Sure but I still feel like you. Just I don't know I just feel I mean I think to with this type of season you know that people are going to be looking for resumes. They're going to be looking for the move. That people made a lot of what him would have to be. Focusing on is a struggle. I mean she was trying to play from the bottle and then people can say the same thing about Jeremy There's been a lot of struggle. He's been the target. What big flashy moves do they have? And there's very few people right now. That have those big flashy moves. I mean denise has won. I mean she's got a huge move and no is focusing on that. So ben needs to start looking at. How does he built his own resume? And if he's able to say look. I decided to take Jeremy Up. Tony wanted to save him. And I'm the one that took him out. Because I told Tony. No then you've got two picks on your resume you took the power away from Tony. And you've got rid of Jeremy someone who everyone has been targeting so there's a spin sitting in the final three even if you're sitting next. Cam like look. I actually saved him because they wanted to vote her out. I saved her by not letting and sent Jeremy Home so I do think that there is a really great argument to be made by someone like Ben or someone like Nick Is. They are sending the file three with how that vote took power away from Tony Right now. Everything that's happening is just feeding into Tony's power. Everything and Ben is going to be seen as feeding into you. Tony Nick is going to be the same you know. So it's I just feel like they really need to start cutting that now sooner rather than later. Well I think I mean if I had to guess. I think that is their plan. You know it's feeding into Tony Now. But he has immunity now right so the minute. He doesn't not to get into our predictions here a little early but the minute he doesn't Nick and Ben can get back together with whoever else. Get Rid of Tony then for sure. I'm not so I think that's their plan. Knock out the other people until Tony becomes available and then go after Tony. Yeah I just that jury loves Tony and they loved her so much and unless an and I I don't know I I do feel like there's been a lot of there is obviously a lot of focus on phony phony plane incredible game and that it's not to discount the games that other people are playing but everything that the jury is seeing is really. It's happening and tribal council right and it's the Tony Show. And unfortunately other people are not getting the credit that they necessarily deserve for the Games. They're playing because the jury's not seeing what's happening on the island so if you want to do something to make the jury notice you it's it has to be in tribal council and that's the type of thing that he could have. What in front of a jury and tribal council because right now. Tony is being seen as running the whole show and you know even someone like Sarah who decided in tribal council to not have Tony Plane. I O for her got discounted in wasn't as knows it. That was a huge thing for having. Wow for her to stay standing on now. No plant for me because she read the situation. That's incredibly impressive. But that's not what the jury took away from it even with that was in front of the jury because everything is kind of overshadowed by Tony Right now and I know he can't focus on him but somebody has to do something to try to start taking that power way diminishing power in front of the jury voting them out. Where do that -solutely don't get me wrong absolutely but it's also you have to start building that resume and that's what my point is. Is that if you wait too long? And then you're sitting in front of a jury trying to explain. Why didn't you do this? You had not only do that instead of saying this is what I did I think right. Now we're in a situation similar to Rick Devon's In that if rick out to the end he was going to win. End of story. If Tony gets to the end he is going to win. That's it yeah I mean you. Can you know anybody else next to him would have the second and third best resumes? I do I mean there's nothing else you can do in this time from. Yeah so the only thing they can do is vote out Tony when that becomes available and I think that Ben especially already has that in his mind when he becomes available and for now eased. Keep your enemies. Closer hyper situation. We'll see we'll see you well all right with that. It's about time to wrap things up. So what are your final thoughts? So my thoughts on Kim. She came into this game. I think someone who dominated and we've already talked about how much she dominated her her previous season of a one time player and winning the One and only time she played really did set her up in a very interesting predicament. Against this group of people you know. We talked about those multiple returning players. People that we've seen play so many times and you saw their faults and you saw things that they didn't do correctly and you saw things did well. They kind of learned from their own mistakes. She never had an opportunity to do that. Because of the game that she played in one world she played a great social game and one world she really controlled all the dynamics and all of the people that she was playing and unfortunately for cam coming into a season of layers who know the game laid the game a lot and they've played the game throughout a time that she didn't play the game with idols and advantages and all of these extra components that didn't exist in her season so she had to not only figure out how to play a game with those components but then also play game with people that have done this multiple times. So I think put her at a disadvantage and on top of that. She played poker with some of them. So you know there was that issue to win. Spend much time on the poker lines with her but of course that was that was a component for Kim as well so do think that we saw a Kim from a different perspective than we've ever seen a cam lay this game. Before she was playing from the bottom from day one she was a target right away and I do think that people were very fearful of Kim and her social game and I think they kept her from not getting that foothold chemists. Someone who wants you let her get kind of. I think hurt her closet and she's she's managed to manipulate the situation and kind of control it. You're going very very hard. Time taking that away from him and this group of people was able to throw her off and not allow her to do that and I think she was trying to do it too late in the game and unfortunately for him. She found herself in the situation. Where even though she was trying to make moves and she was strategizing she never got the foothold that she had in one world where she was able to dominate and so we saw him in a different position that unfortunately for her she was still a threat. She was a threat lane. This game from Hun of I don't know not not not a donating controlling place that we all want to seek him. Be Yeah Yeah. Kim Didn't come into the game with his biggest target arbitrary. She didn't expect to come into the game with as big a target as she had. But you know when your game is described repeatedly as one of the most dominant ever people are GonNa pay attention. She was immediately seen as a threat because of her social game and the longer she stayed in more she worked on it the bigger threat however Kim had done a good job of hiding behind other players up to this point even when she did things that made her stand out like playing horrible for Denise. She's still wasn't the main target. Then she drew too much attention to herself by citing. It was time to gun for Tony before the immunity challenge at the challenge. Then she stepped off for food as we discussed maybe she knew she was falling off anyway but she was in far too precarious position in the game. To Take that gamble. Once Tony found out that she had been planning to vote them out. That was all it took in his mind. Sarah had wanted her gone earlier. Tony came to see the threat Kim presented. If she had just continued to hang out in the background she could have been fined for at least another voter to which might have given her the time to change things. Find an idol win immunity whatever but she decided to make a move and immediately suffered the consequences for it and that is why Kim lost sad sad so all right before we get to our predictions. Let me let me remind everyone that was. 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They try to sell him so he will play his I. The question is whether either other players will know. He's going to play his idol and therefore not target him. I don't know Jeremy still a very good target especially since Ben went along this time. He's going to be telling. Tony I want my. I want my Jeremy on Germany may have the flip a coin and it's literally a fifty fifty shot as to what might happen there. So where does that leave us? I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN NICK. And Michelle are safe. I'm pretty sure that bannon denise or safe people didn't go after Sarah when they arguably should have this week so I think she's okay. They only leaves to people and with two votes coming. I can't imagine that Jeremy and Tony will continue to make it through. I guarantee at least one them Mogo. I'm going to predict. We have a bloody double episode and both of them get booted. Wow that's interesting because I did. I did forget about the two hours in when I was doing my determinations here. I do think that the Denise Michelle Nick Final Three Conversation has some significance So I think that those three are going to be sticking together. And they'll bring Jeremy in because obviously he's been working with them and he knows that he's like go to target the three councils. I do think that. Yes Tony's GonNa play his idol. He's not going to take a chance if he doesn't want immunities and plays idol. My thought is that this take Euler episode at least okay so break it down first of all is that that group of four the Denise Michelle Nee and Jeremy. I don't know if they caught what Ben said at tribal council about his idol when he was talking to Sarah. He's doing ususally my view ad so like he kind of put it out there in. The university has an idol. But I don't know if anybody heard that Sarah. Obviously Tony knows that. He has an idol. But I think it would be interesting if they ended up targeting Ben and Ben also places idle so tony places idle men plays. And who does Ben WanNa go home on? Anything is Jeremy so hey. Jeremy goes home because band plays on idle. I don't think the coin flip is is going to Come into play here and I just. I don't know if if they're gonNA play it or not. I mean it's it's this idea of well. If I do play it could sway the votes. It could change votes but I don't know if anyone really even knows what it is because when Jeremy was going to take it out of his pocket the rest of the I mean. Michelle knew it. Was Tony kind of knows what it is but I mean to me. I just don't think it's going to have as much of an effect and I do think Jeremy as well and I and I I love all of these people that are playing this game. I think they're all great. Jeremy is a wonderful individual who nobody wants to sit next to at the end integrate story so I do think that him being targeted make sense. Ben We'll be happy because he finally gets done Jeremy. Oh But Yeah I mean I. I don't know how twenty doesn't have an idol. But then Tony Go buy two adult gift. Played Tony's back out looking for an idol right so maybe vinyl and Sarah goes on Roy. If Jeremy Antonio home how that would be insane. They both went home. So you're thinking Jeremy and that's what I'm debating in my brain. I you know what I'm going to go with Sarah. She's because I don't see how Tony doesn't end up finding an idol if they if they get paid nearly if they get played and he goes back out. I don't see how he doesn't find another one. I just feel like that'd be very tony thing to do to go out and find another rail. That's true that's true. All right well we will see at least. We both agree on Jeremy. Unfortunately for Jeremy or predictions mean anything. I was just say yeah happen. All right as we wrap up one encourage people to check out the RHA P patron program at rob has website dot com slash patron as we've mentioned rob donated. 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Survivor: Winners at War, Episode 8 | The Pod Has Spoken

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Survivor: Winners at War, Episode 8 | The Pod Has Spoken

"Hey Kelly and welcome to the ring podcast network. We hope the ringer can provide you entertainment and companionship. During this time so as always feel free to check out the ring your dot com where we're still covering the latest in sports pop culture tech and media and the ringers. Youtube channel can provide endless amounts of entertainment. You can find that at youtube dot com slash the ringer. Hello welcome to the PODCAST. Spoken the rings survivor. Recap PODCAST rally maxine. I'm your host every Thursday. I'll be here on the ringer dish. Feed Recap the latest episode of survivor on each pod. Be accompanied by a different ring. Staffer and today joining me is somebody who is driving the bus here at the Ringer. But nobody maybe knows it. It's Juliette Lipman Higher Eilly. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited I love survivor. Yeah thank you for coming on the show. I'm really excited for this conversation today. We are breaking down episode eight of winners at war. This was the merge episode really a like a crucial pillar episode in every season of survivor. It ended up with Wendo. Going home is clearly blindsided so we'll break it all down. Let's get started. We always start with our segment that we call tribal council which kind of discharge instant reactions in discussion of the episode. Let's start with not the boot player who actually came back into the game is. This was the very beginning of the episode. Tyson wins the challenge to come back. Juliette what do you think Tyson? I really anti-tyson? I always have been since his first season. I've just met he was. I think his verse one was token jeans and I've always just found his humor really annoying. Actually I liked him more this episode when he was Pretty genuine and emotional about coming back and if he's able to do it like this was probably the most I've ever Tyson. But I find his humor that he used to like deflect everything just really irritating and I don't know why he's so well liked but you know he's become like a a fixture of the show so I guess I minority opinion on this one. Yeah I really like him and I do think that he's kind of a bit of a fan favourite I just think that his like dry wit and humor is really welcome in one of the things. That's really underrated and people talk about. Who's good at survivor? And who's not as being good at narrating and being good and confessionals rely people who are just really bad at it and I think he's actually really good at it. I always love Tyson confessionals. Yeah like you can tell. Sarah must so badly confessionals. Because she's barely on the show you can just tell who's bad at it. She's she's interesting. I like Sarah ally but I remember on game changers. She got a ton of confessionals because she on the win that season yeah she did and they're you know she's fine but they were like a little bit boring and it was odd that she was getting so many anything include a lot of people in that she might be the winner or come very close to winning which ultimately happened. Yeah when there's somebody who's not great at confessionals that suddenly getting a chance to just narrate huge portions of the game. Then you sort of know. Something's up with them but not one of those if he's getting a ton of time it's good at this. It's interesting because he also I I feel like he's been represented in the beginning. Obviously if the poker alliance there was a lot of focus on Tyson and rob but I don't think he's been such a huge part of the season maybe I'm just biased. Because I don't like it so I kind of don't pay attention but I felt like until this week and he just wasn't really The big presence that he tends to be and so I'm just happy that one of the basically the vets are back in the game. I don't know if I would have chosen. Tie would not show the Tyson but for TV purposes. He's probably one of the better options. Like rob is probably number one. And if you're the producers you have to hope rob is getting back into it. I think poverty is probably number two because she's very divisive and also like super strategic and then Tyson's probably number three with Ben Amber and Ewell and who in Cam. I don't know Kim Selanne. Who was the Danny? They're probably Oh and Ethan. You're probably like it's fine. None of them are back. It's interesting like if a rob who came back you know. They said that he also bought an idol so that would have helped him. But I just don't know how long it could have helped him given that he just would have had such a huge target poverty. Same Way I feel like she could come back in and been immediately shown the revolving door back to extinction but Tyson has a chance. I think to imbed himself in the game you know. He's like an old schooler but of the old scores. He did win his you know when he did finally win. It was three seasons in for him so came kind of late so he almost feels a little bit. More like a middle schooler to me which is interesting. Yeah that is true. He's like somewhere in the middle who just got adopted by rob essentially from being from the poker-playing but I think she has a lot of potential. Now I have. I think that the way the way. The episode unfolded. There's clearly a lot of concern about Jeremy. I he probably is like the next one of the big target on his back where I feel like Tyson Because he was humbled by being left out of the majority in a few episodes ago. I think that he's like playing a bit of a defensive game. That actually would work well with this group of people. It seems like Jeremy and Sophie are GONNA be Targets I think all those you know they. They both have played very well so far. But I think you are left now at this group of people that are are just play differently than Tyson is going to work in his favor. Yeah and I think that you know. They showed him to be right. Basically about the big threats being going out. He was one of the first people that brought that up way back in the beginning of the season. Trying to get Sandra and Tony on his side to to keep around big targets. And Go after what? Tony will call the hyenas and so I think Tyson. They've shown him on the show to be like a pretty smart player. Who has a good read on it and I think he comes in this time? You know with more options available to him and everybody said that a tribal to they're like you know we're not we're not looking to get out because the game has changed right. I thought also watching the challenge that for the people who are on extending extinction D. A. Back in the game I go. Here's another win for Sandra like it's great to know yourself and just be like I can't get back into this game. I'm out like I'm so glad she wasn't there. I feel like she made the right choice and I somehow I feel like even though. She didn't actually win. She like left on top somehow. Yeah I really wanted to see Sandra on the jury. Because she's either one the game or gone pre marriage and all of her seasons which means she's never been a jury member and I think she'd be a great jury member. I'd love to see the speech that she would give but I did not need to see her competing in that challenge. She had a zero point. Zero percent chance of winning challenge. So it's fine and she wouldn't have added an advantage either. She went out at the same time as poverty. And so there hasn't been a chance for poverty or you will or Sandra. If she had stayed to get a fire token so no chance of coming back. I think Sandra went out on our own terms. And I'm finding it I M. I'm really surprised Natalie win. I really thought she was going to. Yeah she I'm surprised she wasn't closer. Yeah because it was basically Tyson rob and then you'll was kind of running in third until he drops. Yeah it is it because she just expended so much energy and was on extinction the longest. It's Kinda explicable because she's by far the best athlete. I thought that she would have jumped out to a big lead. She didn't have the peanut butter. It's true speaker clearly. I mean we all laughed about it. But he's in his proven right. That is true. That's a good point. My other question is I'm very confused. About Fire Tokens and like the advantages that Natalie got while she was on extinction did though. Did I miss it like those come into play or is it just sort of move on? That's out so I think what happened. Is They could buy an advantage for one fire token and there was a little confusion here. Because I thought you'd be able to buy like multiple dances like. Oh if Natalie has four or five tokens she by like four advantages but it looked like you can only buy one. Which was that your string would be above the sand instead of buried in it. And then she used her other three rob used his three to buy idle. Because at that point you know there's nothing else to buy So that's what she had going for her. I guess her and rob I think. The Fire Tokens. I just some background on me. I watched a show like seasons one to thirty and then took off like thirty one to thirty nine and now I'm back. I think the fire tokens. I don't really understand and I think that they do not add to the show except for like an extra five seconds at the end of each episode. Yeah their brand new this season and so it's it's we haven't really seen them. I've been kind of more. Open to fire tokens than a half like edge of extinction as a twist. I really don't like edge of extinction. I'm kind of intrigued by fire tokens. But I'm not really inter- out yet. And this episode. Sorta a kind of pushed me more toward. I think being out on them because they showed at the episode this new menu. That they had for fire tokens For for people who are in the game and it was interesting there. I was looking at the screen. Shot of it. You can steal. Someone's spot ward for three tokens or you can send a personal note to a player on the edge for two tokens and then after that. It's like beans rice a blanket tarp. You know whatever In the last time you can spend tokens sundown of day. Thirty four which we think is likely the final six and I thought these things to be used for like idols and advantages big stuff and so it's like Oh you can send a note or still reward. That's kind of anticlimactic to me. I know well. It's funny the first season that they had Immunity idols was Cook Islands. Which you'll one partially. Because he used the immunity idol so well he also was able to find it had it was like on exile island and it was very. Did you see that season? Riley ever. I actually just rewatch this season of. I'm really familiar with all the beats of that season. Yeah it's it's a really good season and the idol. On that season it had not yet turned into with the idol was reacting to play it after the votes but before they were read you could play after the votes and so you use able to just announced to everybody. He had the idle because he could play it anytime. You basically had a super idol So it really. It was a little overpowered. Then yeah is A. He was able to save people after their voted out which was which obviously was too powerful. So they change it. These fire tokens similar spot. Or they'll probably rethink them for future seasons much like they did the immunity idol. But I mean that obviously that was probably changed the show most significantly of anything like injure using immunity idols centrally. So who knows how? Fire title Tokens will evolve immunity. Idols are like the best twist they've ever introduced by far. We don't even think of it as a twist anymore. I know it's just part of the game But yeah I mean if this is all we can get for. Fire Tokens if it doesn't change at some point in the future. I'm like man did. Did Sandra really get got because of this to try to send a note to someone on the edge of extinction or something It's a good point like explain. Strang because they don't know the fire tokens are worth which have made that diaw. She had known how little she get in return. Essentially a what I wanted to say before we move onto the main game. We still talk about edge of extinction and fire tokens and stuff is that this challenge was the same challenge that Devon's wine two seasons ago so this was the first time they had edge of extinction. It was two seasons ago. Then they took it offers season and now edge of extinction is back and all of the players who have won the returning challenges from edge of extinction or have even gotten close all been men. And I'm Kinda frustrated with this because this challenge you go through a bunch of obstacles you get this key then you navigate this thing. It's a very physical challenge. Requires you to be very athletic and strong and I really am annoyed that it's not a more endurance based challenge or puzzle based challenge. That kind of would wait all players equally. Because I think Natalie could have been really good in this challenge but it does you know value a certain kind of player and athletic strong physical player at the expense of other types. And I'm annoyed that someone like I don't know a party or an amber basically has no shot to come back into the game because this is the way. The challenges are totally. It seems like it would have been a good time for a good time to bring out the tried and true. Hold your up until it falls. Basically and the waterfalls I knew I was just watching Micronesia. And that's A. That's a challenge that poverty one on Micronesia. Remember her grade. They had to convince the one guy to drop so that they would vote them out but she was still in it to the end. And it's like that's A. That's a challenge. That kind of everybody is an equal shot at. Yeah that's a really good stretch history. I mean I know you just wrote about this guy to watching every season but like the kind of stretch from seasons twelve which was Cook Islands through like eighteen was really good. Yeah once it SORTA figured out you know having immunity idols but not having so many of them so that they still had this big like gravity in the game was really really good but there is still time. Let everything breathe now. I feel like it's a little too hectic. Although it's still there have been some great seasons recently it's true. I'm just glad you like Cook Islands. I just want to say goodbye to. Y'All we move on. I love you all his favorite winter but You know he's just doesn't fit in the game anymore. It's okay you'll great job by you. Let's talk about the window. Boot which I thought was interestingly edited because they made it seem so much like Adam was sort of this almost no brainer. Easy vote for everybody that ended up being. Wendell what do you think really happened here? So I went back and watched the kind of scramble between the challenge and tribal a second time. 'cause I what did I miss here so I was like. I was legitimately surprised. It was wonderful and I was just like did I miss something and I think that Wendell I think the probably Sophie was able to more than we saw was able to convince people that Wendell as a threat because of his alliance with Jeremy and I think that is probably what did him in it so it was kind of like not only getting Wendell out of the game would also undercutting Jeremy's power because I think people clearly see that. He's he's He's charismatic enough to kind of be the Fulcrum of what on which the tribe rests and also good challenges. Like he's not amazing but he has you know he wanted me entity so he's not bad at them and I think he's just like super likable so taking out window really hurt Jeremy and Wendell together and I think that's probably what we didn't see and for some reason I don't know why because it's more interesting than once again. Having Adam fretting to the camera for like third episode of the season. Yeah I totally agree. I think I saw somebody somewhere on the Internet. It was like somebody tweeted or commented or something was that Jeremy has now won immunity in three different seasons. And there's only two other players Robin I think it was Andrea. Who did that Anyways so but he's in a very small group of players that have actually won immunity. So he's a challenge threat and I thought in Cambodia. He played one of the most impressive. Winter Games we've ever seen so he's definitely one of these big targets and Yaseen Him. Get All chummy with Wendell. I I thought so. She nailed it. She had such a great read on the situation and she seemed to pull the strings just enough to make sure it was Wendell. Reilly your your call of Sophie. Winning is looking better better. Each week. I was worried Shell preseason. I'm big on Sophie now. I think Sophie is a very very good shot to win but Michelle was my preseason call. Oh God it. I thought you said Sophie. I think so if he has a really good shot to the only thing is as the other really strong players leave will just become too obvious that she's like the one to take out. Essentially I will say my Michelle. Pick also not looking too bad. It's looking better. Would you vote for Michelle. I don't Know Yeah I. I think she's still got some work to do. I mean the the thing was sophie is she also might have the opposite problem. Which is if she FIS. So under the radar. People don't realize how good of a game she's played if she gets raid right right. Yeah the Michelle Wendell thing. I don't really get so they didn't. They were not in the same season right. They just met through the survivor world and they dated outside of the show. That's right yeah. There seemed like legitimately mean to each other like not in a way. That's not like because they broke up they probably just were always kind of mean to each other. It's a really. It's a really weird dynamic. Yeah it's really. It's been really where I was wondering what your take would be on this Michelle Wendell stuff because I thought it was building towards some big conclusion. Where Michelle with like Stab Wendell in the back or something and it kind of just goes out with a whimper in this episode. So I'm really confused by it me to this episode. When you'll went out I thought she was takeout window. Which would have been a big move. I actually think that probably would have helped her game overall but she doesn't. I can't really get a good feeling for her. I think that she has. She's gives a lot of good quotes so I think we've seen a fair amount of her and she's like willing to talk to the camera demonstrative way but I don't really know what her strategy as like order if she has one. If you had to say like she's playing this kind of game what would you say it is? I'm at least when it comes to Michelle and Wendell a full blown conspiracy theorists that they basically came into the game with a prima lions and that. They've played up there like bickering intention to make it not seem like there's some kind of power couple understanding that power couples always of the first people to get targeted. But I can't explain some of Michelle's confessionals were. She was very like Wendell. Hurt me you betrayed my trust and it was like okay but if you're working together this seems like a lot for that so it's just been a really like. I don't know what story basically the editor's trying to tell with them because if they were working together all along which I now believe. That wasn't clear for the poverty boot. Seems like that was smoke And if they were at odds with each other and it doesn't explain why they were also often so nice each other. Wendell ends up giving her a fire token when he goes home in this episode. It's just been all over the place and I'm like I don't know just kind of dissatisfied with that whole storyline. Yeah I I working together though. Why wouldn't they tell that to the key to the cameras in there confessionals like I think that they would say that? Right right they would say it to the confessionals but it seem like there was like a hint in the Parvenu boot where Michelle was like. I WANNA work with PARV. But if she's going let me make this work in my favor and I think that her and Wendell Beasley worked out that. Michelle would write down windows name so that poverty would give her fire tokens to Michelle. And that's why Michelle then gives one to Wendell because it was all part of the plan. That's the only way. Explain that because otherwise I'm like it doesn't make any sense. I mean what was? She liked the first time she played it. She actually strategy so the first time she played she was much more of a kind of under the radar. Social Player Really Weird game or she never went to a pre merge tribal. She only went once the merge happened. Yes so she didn't. It was interesting and she was like the big social player on her season and then on her season was Aubrey. Who is this big strategic player? They both ended up at the end kind of the fans. I think really want Aubrey. I really want Arpaio's Big Fan And that's why Michelle has been on. This season like my win was so controversial. People say I didn't deserve to win. I didn't play the best game on my season. And so her story. This season has kind of been about her proving that she deserved to win her season. And I think that she was a good player on her season. I don't think she's one of these winners where you're like. How did that happen? Like she's a good player. I think Arbi was a really great player. Who's playing from the bottom? At all times basically on her season Sherry impressively moved along but Michelle was not the strategic until this season splaying more cheaply. Now I don't even think of her as being that greatest strategist though. Because I can't even I can't really suss out what our strategy is except to make it seem to the outside world like she has no no connection to win but they were still cooperating. Essentially I thought I just found find her. Really like mystifying. And also don't really find that interesting. I would have preferred more insight into their relationship and I but obviously you know that wasn't show or just didn't happen but I. I don't think that she is playing. I I'd be bummed. If she won I wouldn't I wouldn't feel like she was playing a game worthy of it when there's so much strategy happening like I think you know denise Telling everyone like her big move against Sandra like she's to like you know kind of be her own hype woman but I think she only on one episode or one move alone has away stronger case that Michelle. Yeah I think that who so I think that Michelle got most of the credit for the Ethan vote basically which left kind of Adam and rob in the dark which I thought was pretty impressive. Since then it's been a little more under the radar unclear if she's kind of you know the one pulling strings or just going along with the plan or whatever but I don't know I find something compelling about the person who's dealing with this sort of imposter syndrome trying to prove themselves. I've kind of enjoyed that Steph. Andrew Interactions with rob when they're on the same tribe. Yeah that was good. That was good Who voted for atom? Nicon Wendell yes. Cbs puts it up on Youtube after the votes anymore. So it it was shot she. She voted for atom. And then Nick and Wendover for atom so it was there three. Jeremy went along with the group. Everybody else went along with the group I thought he. Jeremy did a really good job in making the case against. Wendel essentially I thought about exposing himself too much but when he was trying to get people to vote For necker Adam. He was making it he. I thought he was pretty compelling. He's like he's a very good at this game. I would be very afraid of Jeremy. I think he made the right move to not stir the pot here because my my mind was running. And I'm like okay. You could probably engineer like a five four three vote where you don't even need the majority of votes. On Nick you can get a plurality and you can just muddy the waters enough with these other seven players But that that's the type of vote that would have just shaken everything up and probably put you in a worse position anyways. I think just going with the flow with the tide is. They're saying episode. Probably the right move. Yeah I think I think that's probably right. I I really like Jeremy. He's my favorite of those remaining. But I it's going to be a really different game now. Obviously it's post merging individual but more than that the absolute the the lack of like old school players. Like kind of a bummer. I was hoping more of a clash or cross generation collaboration. I WanNa talk about so who are like kind of the big targets because previously it was a lot of the old school players So I think I would say Jeremy is one is. We're saying Tyson as kind of the only old school guy left in the game is won and then we had been in this episode. Also shout out. Tony which I think is a no brainer. A big threat player and himself. Ben which I don't I don't have you been a big threat. I know you're probably not familiar with this season. But he's not the most strategic players really like he was kind of a big I he he found a bunch of idols. On the season he wants immunities was kind of like a physical player and he might be a pretty good social player by don't view him as like the big threat. Is there anyone else you think is a big threat? That's left. I think Sophie. I think she's a really big threat I I don't know if she has target the same what she was like. Got The target on her back but I think she's a really big threat. I think her Jeremy are the two that I'd be the most afraid of because she's being really strategic and I think she seems like pretty well liked if not universally loved but I think that she's just pulling a lot of strings so that if she can make it to final tribal she has a really good case to lay out. Because she's like A. She's been a part of several big decisions and also part of winning immunity. Yeah she is so. She's so under the radar though. But I'm not like I'm not surprised that she's the radar because she came into the season under the radar for me to The players from spies don't get shout out is big threats. Are Sarah who I think. On on game changers played a phenomenally impressive season and then Kim who a lot of people will say played. Maybe the best single season survivor ever when she won her season. so. I don't know it was odd that Ben like basically throughout the name of four literally physically big guys. It's like what we mean by big threat There are a couple of other players here that I think should probably be getting shoutouts or at least be targeted or something. Bad bad is someone who I would absolutely want to bring to the final weeks. There's no way he's winning. I know he's Kinda I I you know what I do enjoy though is Ben and Adam who had both have no chance of winning at this point like them going at each other and they sort of have an alliance but they sort of seemed to be so annoyed by each other. It's Kinda great I it is true I like this sort of. They're also kind of similar to me so I liked it. They probably don't acknowledge that. But that's one of the reasons they're disliking they're just like each other who riley right now. Who would you want to have along with you for final tribal if you like as a strategic? I know I can beat them and also would you go for the noble. This person deserves it or we do bring someone you know. You could beat. No I'm hundred percent bringing people who I know I can beat or I think yeah I. It's all I'd be all game So I would probably take Adam who I think you know. We've had multiple people say. Oh He's a snake. You can't trust him whatever he's kind of been painted. Knee edit is sort of a little bit of a clown so he's an easy one for me to pick and then yeah I think I might bend would be another good one I think the the three the three like sort of vanilla guys. Yeah and I'm trying to think too of people who are not good at making their case at filed tribal council. Obviously all these players have actually won a foul tribal council so none of them are that ad But Yeah I don't know if like Ben is the most eloquent speaker You know so. I'm kind of thinking about that a little bit too. I wouldn't want to be sitting next to somebody I think is really well-spoken and smart. Yeah which is another reason to like not. WanNa be with Jeremy Sophie. I think Tony He. He has his own language. That people find really persuasive. I think those three are the biggest threats right now. Tony I think is one of the smartest people out there. He he every season. He's had his pulse on the game while except for game changers where he went home super early but he's very very smart. He doesn't always sound like he doesn't talk. The way that we stereotypically think a smart person does but he is on it. He has an amazing sense to like a being himself while also convincing everyone that he's you know like fine or whatever. His his personality is so unique in this game is really well suited to it. I Love I love his game this season. Especially because like on Kagi on he was running around everywhere and it was very hectic very acting and this season. He's been much more reserved. I think he's learned a lot and I just love his game. Yeah I agree with you there. At first I was like this. Just vote him out early so annoying but now come to really like him and I can see. We're having a character who's who's also like not mean or not like one of the typical villains around campus is probably really fun. I think one thing that is like not discussed enough is the type of people that you keep around. Just because like they keep things interesting and you'd be sad if they were gone. Yeah Oh totally and I think like on this season two. It's so important to have a winner like Tony because so many of the winners can be kind of more vanilla personalities in every season. If it's a season they'll cast like some weirdoes or just people with big big personalities and Tony is one of the winners that we have who does have a really big personality. So it's so important that he won his season basically the opportunity to be on the season because there is a world in which all winners season could actually be really boring. Bees usually get some people. Who aren't that interesting totally and like the smart younger players taken out all the old older personalities you know but that's another that's another big case for Tyson is. I think they'll like enjoy having him around. Yeah Oh yeah. Tyson seems like he makes friends very easily totally awesome. We'll talk about denise a little bit because we talked levels so much and she kinda you know she has to go and stint tell the story about how she got rid of Sandra You know there's no way around it. And so she gets this queen slayer label and I really wonder that raises her threat level too much because we had a bunch of people who are like man. You Know Denise playing the game. She's got a resume she's someone you would not want to sit next to at the end. She's the Jamie Lancaster of survivor. Yeah she really is A. If I were denise I would have engineers situation in which someone else how to how to tell the story like. I would have wanted Jeremy or Kim to tell the story instead of her. Like that's best case scenario right like you want to know what you accomplished without having to boast about it. It was kind of endearing from Denise because she's so humble and low key anyway. I think it's a. It's a bad beat that she was the one to tell her own story. You want someone else to do that that situation. I think I was also really impressed with When Jeremy comes to her is like what about Adam and she's like well I would be the ripple effect is I'm aligned with Adam but does matter. I'm smooth it's good. I'm like she's actually playing a really impressive kind of cutthroat game that I was not expecting it all. Yeah I know it really is not what I was expecting from her as you said. And she seems like she's just picking the moments to strike like she's not constantly game playing but she's finding the right moments to make herself have an impact and I think I think she'll do wealth individual obvious issues pretty good athlete and I don't know if she has the connections and like the enough of a resume like I think the one move is a really big deal but I think for that to come pre merge like lessons its value because not as many people are privy to it particularly that Sandra Jerry. Yeah that's actually a really good point that Sandra's on the jury that I are not on the jury that I hadn't really considered I think with denise. She might be correctly reading that after having made that move she needs to just Kinda cool down for a couple of tribals and then maybe she can make another big move and get herself back into the conversation but right now the threat level is high. Maybe she can work on lowering that and later in the game. Kind of make another big push for her resume. No one sees that nervous about her though. Well there was a you know. Wendell and Jeremy Kahn through throughout their. But that's yeah I don't know yeah. She's not she's definitely not like one of the top like three or four people that is being done for at this point. I think in general older women on the show like people. Just don't take them seriously like they just don't get the same level of perspective. I mean it's different. How usually a woman of color voted out. I like that's like obviously or. It's a huge problem with survivor. That happens a lot. I mean it even happened this season there. There is like a re a weird. I think sexism and ageism that goes into it where it's funny because like when the show. I started at the very beginning. Elizabeth Hasselbeck was really close with one of her tribe mates who was like an older guy. His name is Roger. If I recall correctly I can't remember though and that was like before people have always complicated feelings about Elizabeth Hasselbeck and she was just like the woman who designed sneakers on survivor and season two. And and I think that the one thing that has never really been broached and and there aren't that many of them on it anymore is like older players like just don't farewell because people just don't really take them seriously it's like it's like a microcosm of ageism and I think denise obviously in great shape and is pretty powerful and the game and everything she just is not really given the same at least by me. I guess the same kind of credit. Yeah you missed. So last season there was an older woman Janet who ended up going really far employing a pretty good game but it was kind of a low-key game and I sort of I was rooting for and I think a lot of people are rooting for her. But she didn't quite ever really get the same credit that some other players get in. It's totally a theme in survivor. That there are a lot of stereotypes and a lot of basically casting archetypes to sort of like a lot of times the older woman gets cast as just like the mom or whatever and isn't somebody from the outset that's taken seriously so it can be. Yes disappointing like that. I don't know how denise will navigate that this season I mean it is a little bit of an older Casson. They've had before but it is. Yeah seeing all all. The older players though have also gotten the boot. Yeah and like I. Don't I don't mean to suggest like insidious bias but I think one of the reasons survivor. Fascinating game is because you see people's biases come out with even realizing it and it made total happened that keep happening every season. And that's a pretty consistent one like I can't think of a lot of old winters off the top of my head and my old. I'm over fifty. Not even that old. There's there's Bob Crowley who's like the oldest I want to say. He was in his fifties when he won and but the majority of men in their twenties or thirties like the vast majority like even way more than they cast. Obviously they cast that age range. Too But I mean there's definitely like some trends about who does well in survivor. What type of person? That are not always so great. Yeah it's a real like explicit example of what we would call implicit bias basically. Yeah yeah totally and you think about. Remember the season when everyone was obsessed with jt in like just loved him so much. It's hard to imagine that happening with anyone on the show a letter let alone an older woman. Yeah Oh yeah no definitely. I don't think that's ever really happened with an older woman. In that way interesting. I remember what there was. I remember reading an interview once Sandra where she talked about. How on her for season Pearl Islands? I think she was in her twenties but she I think she was already a mom or she was at least already married and I think she was married and she was like that is she was basically broke way out of their casting archetypes because they would never cast like a younger woman. Who is already married at that point and that allowed her to play like kind of a different game in like a weird or game but yeah. I mean that's always been a thing is the way they cast a certain types of people. Yeah I think Sanders. Success is also a great testament to her because it defies so many of the trends of survivor. Which is like one of the reasons why she's so amazing and so fun to root for yes. She is very for being a two time winner and such an icon. She's also a lot unlike so many other winners and so many other icons absolutely one support. Sandra I mean I. I've never been Sandra Superfan. Yeah the queen that I really appreciate it and support her shot to her. Let's let's talk our archetype breakdown move onto our next segment. This is where we will talk about not these casting archetypes but kind of strategic archetypes that you can follow and today. I wanted to focus on backseat driver. This comes from this Jeremy Confessional right after the immunity challenge which we can play here. When you have this necklace you have power so my plan is to go after Nick. But I don't want to be the one that looked at as the boss. Don't get me wrong I wanNA drive was thing but I don't want everybody to know that I'm driving this. This is a player. Who's calling the shots or maybe more pulling the strings but no one really knows it or at least only a few people know it and no one's really cute in and they're not a threat level and the goal kind of Jeremy's game here is to basically control the votes without being the big threat or the big target And if you're good at it you know you can get to the end. You can have power in the game If you're good at it you might not have the resume or if you're not good enough at it. People eventually sniff out there in control and you'll become a threatened you'll get voted out and the player. I really want to talk about here. It's not actually Jeremy because he didn't really do this effectively in this episode. In fact he's kind of ineffective because people do realize the threat. It's Sophie Sophie. Does this in this episode? So let's breakdown her game a little bit. You know we've done some but she's just been so impressive to me all season long. I think Sophia's playing the best game out there in this episode was a banner episode for her. I was worried something. What's going to happen to her when she was going to be out when she was shivering so badly during the immunity challenge How did she get her sweater? Do they just bring all their clothes with them? To these challenges. Yeah I wonder if they might. I mean I don't know but it was lucky that she had their music too brutal. I know I would not do well. She's I would just be so uncomfortable and I quit about. What do you think has been her biggest move so far? I actually think that this might have been her biggest move So she has. Wendell actually is the only person who's really thrown her name out almost at all this season and then she's kind of lays the groundwork to get wendell out I mean. She didn't know that Wendell through her name out by the fact that she gots got someone like him out shows that she can include in that. She couldn't really work with Wendell and he was a threat and she was able to pull the strings so I have an audio clip from her where she just lays the whole game and I think it's so impressive the way that she has her ear to the ground. What's happening? Is that a bunch of big guys. Jeremy Tony Tyson banned all together and said Navy. Wendell maybe nick but a lot of power in this tribe is coming from. Jeremy and Wendell has Jeremy's man of all the players so far we've had some players like Tony Tyson and others who I think. See Parts of the game but no one has really laid it out as well like this and so so far. I think that Sophie just as a better read on every buddy than anyone else has in this game and I just find her. So well positioned I feel like her best move sneakily and I don't know if you can call them move but I think her tribe winning immunity when they were down to four of them and therefore protecting that group before going to tribal at that moment and that's when they won the peanut butter and Jelly. I think Yeah was was huge like absolutely huge. Not Having to go from four to three makes I think makes a really big difference at this point in exposed her at least that small group in a way that she then got to avoid and got to be the hero because I believe she solve the puzzle for them to win that challenge like had a really good performance so I think that actually her ability pre merge to essentially avoid any major confrontations and only see elimination. Like the you know even just one last time as it makes a really big difference for her. She has now yes. She's way better challenge beasts than anyone gives her credit for yeah and and she really smart to doctor and good at puzzles. But I think that being like a kind of strategic but not particularly it's not like a lightning rod pre merger is really important and if Wendell had been a little bit less of Shit talker and like taking a data notch like maybe he could have gotten there as well. I mean that's not who he is and that's one of the reasons why his good TV and that's cool. But I think that kind of thing that she didn't do it wasn't like unleashing. Her major moves early on is going to help her as they go on there. The other thing that I I think we've Kinda almost forgotten about because it hasn't been mentioned in a few episodes is that she has an idol. She found him on. Serono's about it And so she has a chance to make a big move when she needs to. Which I think she will need to buff up her resume a little bit. Because I don't know if everybody really realizes just how much power she hasn't the game right now but she has a chance to do that. Totally yeah I I keep forgetting. She has it because he hasn't needed to come close to using it right. She hasn't come close to needing it which is an example of having power her having Adam kind of under her wing. I think is really smart to these. Adam has nowhere else to go. No one trusts him. And maybe there will come a time. Where Sophie's like look? We gotta get rid of Adam. I can't trust them either. But right now it's like. Hey you at least got somebody. Everybody wants to get out before they get out you and who's loyal to use extra vote for you. I think it's like actually a good person for her to be aligned with yeah totally it's basically having other vote in her pocket so I guess I would say you know. She's kind of our backseat driver. Right now pulling the strings. No one really knows the only person who seemed to have any inkling at all went home in this episode so I feel great about her. You know there was some people who are like. Oh maybe it's not so good because she called out you'll as being heard shield and while if Y'alls gone now she doesn't have the nerve shield. I don't think it matters. She's so under the radar. I agree totally in. Yeah no one. No one seems that worried about her though would have been a good time. Take her out last night. Tony started listen under the Radar Hyenas. Or whatever and he forgot to mention her and she was the player that Tyson when Tyson was like. Oh let me talk about all these under the radar players. He couldn't remember her name so she's just like I don't know I'm like so impressed at how everybody is forgotten about Sophie and we're here watching on TV and we're just like man so visa and master a now I maybe she's getting a winners at at. It's possible I think. Oh Yeah I mean as far as the edit goes. I'm not a huge Edit reader person I do look at it a little. But she's definitely up there as far as best edit so far. Yeah it's soapy great game Let's also do our superlatives here? We can kind of run through these. We've talked about some of them but we can start with our best move of the game. My best move was sophie and her ability to swing the vote. Also I'd shout out Jeremy. Because I think he made the right move of just playing like laying. Low this episode. It wasn't the best episode for him but he could dug himself into a lot more shit than ultimately ended up being in so I actually was kind of impressed with him Did you have anybody who wanted to highlight? I'M GONNA GO JEREMY as well. I totally agree. I think that trying that he did a good job of playing honorably in a way where he was trying to protect Wendell without exposing himself. And that's really hard to do. I totally agree with that. I think let's just move right along to worst move. Who Do you think made the worst move in this episode worst episode and Michelle? I think Michelle needed to be more aggressive and building new alliances. If she was being true to what she said the confessionals like not being able she issue not being able to trust Wendell she should have done and should have been more aggressive and finding new people to align with and clearly know and trust there because she was not part of the majority so I think Michelle is now in trouble. Yeah it's her and Nick on the bottom. I was very surprised that after she's gotten such a big at in the pre merge she basically got almost nothing in this episode she was almost invisible And so I don't know how much she was trying to work with. People outside of Nick Wendel alliance or just what she was doing. This episode is very confusing. Yeah either this is where we need longer episodes so we can check in on more people. I just I feel like this every episode. I'm like you didn't show us what they were doing. And obviously they're trying to give us a narrative and they don't WanNa make it to money but I don't know man I just want more and more of it do they preponderance online now. They used to they still do that. Well there's NO PONDEROSA THIS SEASON. It's all the edge so the people who are on the jury they do put clips online. It was actually watching them before we went here. They put sometimes like the tree. Male clips online email never mixed up so now anymore. They did put a clip of the people on the edge coming back after. They've lost the challenge and kind of being bombed and they've got seventeen days before their next challenged comeback in which sounds miserable like two and a half weeks out there So some of those clips help fill for me. Some of the void that is in like Martin Survivor. It's so hectic that you Kinda lose all these quiet scenes. They tend to put some of those online jerry. People are back on extinction. Yeah they'll stay there. They'll stay there and then they'll have a chance to come back in basically in the finale episode. They'll be able to come back in. Oh my God. I didn't realize that I thought they were like. There's no chance for them. No no okay so yeah. On like two seasons ago off the edge of extinction season the guy who got voted out third. His name is Chris. He lost the first challenge to come back in. Okay no big deal. You know. Only one person can win and then he won the second challenge come back in and he basically so hard in only the finale episode the he ended up winning the entire game and massively controversal. I hate it. I can't believe that they would bring the twist back because I just feel like if the if the guy who played only thirteen total days wins the game than that is a broken game mechanic and you just need to get rid of it so I am so hostile to the edge of extinction. Something similar happened on top chef years ago where they have last chance kitchen. Where you when you? When you get voted off you go to last chance kitchen and then you wait for the next person who voted off and you go ahead. And whoever wins the head to head matchups keeps going? Never get a chance to come back in. And when they first introduced his last chance kitchen the winner last chance kitchen then won the whole season and it was controversial interesting so I thought that like this Poverty Rob Amber Group. You'll they're all like outs completely. I can come back crazy. And we're going to still be checking in on them and who knows how they act the game from here on out You know what thanks me happy. Yeah at least we'll get to see him on our street. I mean granted the miserable. But you know the till area. I'm so I'm so happy here it I'll say my worst move was Adam. I felt like it was very close to blowing up. His game. Granted that sort of is his game. That's sort of what he did on his winning season and he's just such a paranoid weird player that I think he's. He's played himself into a position on this season where it's not possible for him to sit next to count lackluster people on the final three in the season and I can't see any way in which he wins like even if he makes the final three I just I don't see him getting even like a single vote. No one likes that. I'm yeah. Very unimpressive his game. On the season I totally agree. He's got no chance. I'm sorry I do like them. I mean I you know I don't WanNa like trash or anything. I just feel like he hasn't played the best game Let's talk about our farmers to win. Then we can wrap up. So is there anybody you think is in a particularly good position or maybe jumped up your account like rankings. This episode I think Tyson. I'M GONNA go Tyson who I never really liked until now and I. I still don't particularly like him but I found. I found him being genuine instead of his usual sarcastic. Self pretty moving and maybe it's also just like the climate we're living in where I like appreciate people being genuine right now. It just it hit right for me. I think person Tyson to our while I was GONNA say Sophie but Tyson's more interesting and talk about so. Let's talk about a little bit as far as you talked about. Soviet ought to. We've talked about her too much. We know why Sophie as a front to win. Tyson is interesting in me. If you're if you're one of those people who read the edit. He's gotten a lot of really good personal content where he stuck by his family's about why he's out there and that's the kind of stuff that they often give to a winner and as you can see not every player out there. It's that stuff. Sophie has not had that kind of content in her at it yet so the fact you know he won his way back in and I wouldn't love the idea of somebody who got voted out winning again but it's definitely he's one of the top contenders for me to he wasn't out for that long. I feel like also it'd be different if it like Natalie was doing her own thing and then she came back and she won but he he was in the mix pretty longtime or at least the editing made it feel that way any so's to play a game you know. He is a play. Basically the whole post merger. I mean if he won. I'm like like an Antonin. Scalia style like secure construction traditionalist when it comes to this. I'm like if you're out you're out that's it. That's just my perspective on the game but if it's Tyson that's A. That's a big difference from Chris from edge of extinction. Where it's like okay. Tyson Sosa play the entire post merge she still get through a bunch of tribals? He still has to navigate a ton of the game. That'd be fine. If he one will see how it happens. Yeah I I would be okay with him doing it for sure like I. I didn't used to feel this way but now I do yeah. I'm glad I'm capable of change so exciting. We've turned you around on Tyson in one episode of survivor and one episode of this podcast. Yeah Riley. You're so powerful all right. I think that's a good note to wrap it up Juliette. Thank you so much for coming on no problem. Things are having rally. This is really fun and I will keep listening throughout the rest of the season. Yeah well hopefully we'll have you back on again. We'll see how many episodes of the show we get all right. That's all the time we have. Thank you for listening to the pot spoken. I'm Riley Makati. That's Juliette. Littman Steve. Ellman is our producer. We'll be back here next Thursday and we'll see that.

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No Buffs | Peanut Butter Power

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No Buffs | Peanut Butter Power

"Today's episode of no Dunks is brought to you by remarkably remote. A new daily micro cast from the experts at Goto. Meeting all about making work from home work for you with indispensable. Intel on how to stay sane motivated and productive at home. We're here to help you. In this brave new remote working world find us on smart speakers or subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. You can also listen at gotomeeting dot com slash tips. That's Goto meeting dot com slash tips People you'd think they'd never played survivor in the straight but nothing I went through a cyclone. We're having fun now. More good morning sleepworld. And WELCOME TO NO BUFFS. The only survivor podcast. That would like a glass of Rum. It's Thursday April second and we're recapping the eighth episode of survivor winners at war. So spoilers full steam ahead. I'm Jay skeets and join us here by the fires task. Melles has it been eight episodes already. They have flown by. Oh Yeah I haven't watched eight. We've got the bearded one trey. Kerby help the international man of mystery taking it to the Max Leila's friends and last but not least making the magic happen it's GD hello. There isn't here. We are thanks for joining us on this brand new episode of no bus. We're GONNA tackle this episode in Chronological Order Guys. I thought that would be the easiest way but the key takeaways. Tyson is back into the game. And Wendell's torch is snuffed at least for now Lee. How are you holding up that your Guy Wendell is on his way to edge of extinction? You know the first two weeks I thought he was toast throughout the episodes and I thought last night he was safe and I thought he was safe right right up until the end when Adam leg and then all of a sudden it was a landslide loss for Wendell Very very surprised by that but But you know the thing about like army really enjoying survive. I will say that really enjoying it. But this edge of extension extinction is actually annoy me a little bit. Because no one's really out you sort of you can hang on a little bit so we will We'll break all that down. You're not wrong. There's a lot of people out there in the survivor world. That do not like the extinction. Sorta what you're saying it's like you're never really out. And we saw Tyson comeback and we know that someone else is going to come back so yeah. We'll pack all this but let's start with our opening scene. It was nineteen and we start on the edge of extinction. We see all of them out there. They get their scroll They're all looking at their thing. This parchment that allows them to use the fire tokens and we have Natalie and Boston. Rob Now Boston. Rob helped out from his wife giving them one. They buy one advantage. And then the idol which costs three fire tokens Jaydee. I know like we know Tyson win. So you know hindsight twenty twenty but like did this surprise you at all that no one appeared to put more of the fire tokens into more advantages within the challenge to get back into the game and instead Natalie and robber thinking okay. I'll take a small advantage. But then I'm GonNa put all these tokens into this idol. If I get back in Shocked by how that decision from both of them. Not really to be honest. And I probably would have done the same thing if you're really if you're sitting in a vacuum on extinction especially those two You're playing playing the long game and I'm going to assume that I have the biggest target on my back going back into the game. So you WanNa have that idol. If you have four four or five tokens to burn. I mean you could get let the idol does no good if you're not in the game. I win the challenge. Almost paid off for rob. I mean look at look at how close Rod came to winning that challenge and he would have gone into the game with an idol. I mean that would've been huge but okay okay for Boston. Rob Yes I could see that argument. And he's playing the Long Game Natalie though your pick to win this whole thing. I think she may be over. Thought that a little bit. I think she should really leaned into taking the three advantages within that. Challenge to help her chances. That is fair knowing that. How Taichi is with Jeremy Going into the game? So that's an automatic alliance going back into the merge so so yeah you're right when it comes to Natalie but I think rob made the right the right choice trae. What do you think about their decision? I see the argument for wanting to have the idol. When you get back considering on the last edge of extinction a guy came back with just a few days left and for whatever reason didn't get voted out right away so I'm sure all these returning winners are thinking. Whoever comes back is going right away but as we saw when Tyson actually did get back his name didn't even come up on the ass out completely out of the mixed just kinda skirt and by because I think the now the players are probably also thinking no way we let somebody from extinction when we'll get him another time. Robb is different. Since he's such a legend in the game he's going to be the biggest target no matter when he comes into the game or where. He's at and the game so I can see him wanting. But Natalie I thought was a little silly us. The US the tokens to get back in the game. A bird in the hand is worth more than the Bush rightly more than two in the bush. A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush. The same but close enough good enough. You know I'm just a jolly swagman over a stray. But I do know that if you WANNA win survivor. Having an idol is pointless if you're not actually in the game. Yeah Yeah I do think really Natalie should have put those fire tokens into the challenge. Because I think if she gets back into the game like you said tray with what we saw with Tyson. I don't think she's seen as an immediate threat and I think she Very easily just sort of slipped back into the game having some alliances but anyway As we go to the merge and then that return challenge. I just wanted to point out and I know we're going to talk about the music later in the show we get some sweet guitar licks here. I thought Kevin O'Connor was doing the soundtrack on that scene. But we get shot of all them sort of getting ready for the big challenge. The Return Challenge Shot Poverty. Doing Yoga and I love that clip. I love that shot. I feel like we've gotten so many. But shots of poverty in the season three episodes. We've watched this like. Is there a contract? She's sign where I like. Hey I at least get one but shot up your episodes. They pepper them in here. And she's wearing sexier underwear as well. It's not just. It's not just a regular pair of bottoms. It's a it's cut four a little bit of showing as well so there's definitely a director's cut making this happen. Last week. When she went to edge of extinction she had on a shawl type thing. She was keeping warm and then when they had to go. Get the The Tokens or whatever. All of a sudden. It was a but shot a furner underwear. She's issue disrobed really quickly and she's the only one wearing a special type of underwear although I did enjoy her yoga shot. She's my favorite now on the edge of extinction which is which is a dichotomy for me edge of extinction doesn't exist for me either trae. You're sort of our Yoga Guru. Here on the PODCAST. What was she doing first off that you can remember? And how did you think her her technique was from what I can tell? She was doing a lunch it appeared. She was punching for Yoga Technique. It appeared her. Front knee was over her front ankle. So I'm just saying if yoga with poverty starts later Adrian. Okay okay good. No offense not a warrior. Right she she. She threw up her hair. Her hands ends up. Yeah perhaps so. We've seen a lot of yoga on survivor over the years. There's been a lot of shots of people doing yoga. I think there was one season where they're like. I forget which wasn't who was leading it but they had like yoga classes. Do you remember that? Gd Was it was in Arizona or his better. Maybe I feel it. Coach was doing yoga once upon a time to okay so we get to the announcement says alright. Hit the merge. Drop your boss you know. Here's your new buffs. Are these bus Black Brown. I couldn't tell why great thank I thought they were black with gold chains like her Saatchi kind of buffalo that once they sat down at tribal council. They look like chocolate Brown for sure. Yeah Yeah Lee. What do you think Brown? Yeah this is like that thing that went around the Internet. A few years ago with that dress was blue gold or whatever it was To be perfectly honest I just wasn't really paying that close attention to alpinist. I'll be honest in a couple of those things slip by but I really do. I think you said that. Wendo left a couple of buffs in the no-dong office. I am dined on. Get One to put it on during each episode. Like it's like putting on your Jersey when you're watching your team play. Yeah I just I just really want to get into it and you know it's funny because I'm watching it on TV. You know. I don't have cable. So there's no one's I've got to watch it live and I'll tell you my kids start ask. I'm just like the the shortest quickest fuse when I'm trying to watch because I enjoy it. It's been so much fun but I'm just like I'm not the best dad during this my My seven year old is actually starting to take some interest in it as well. So maybe Bros. Maybe there's a future episode or a future show that we have an entire second generation last night about ten minutes under the episode. Mike come upstairs and watch survivor and she had her mind blown. A you know. It's a tree in and of itself to be up late with your parents when you're a kid and to have survivor on. She was like. Are there more challenges? Yes there was another challenge while she hated when they were talking. She's like this is Maury citing part for me and Mommy. The only one the challenges. That's right well well. She would've been happy. Yeah this was the big challenge before we get into it. We get that scene. Where Tyson getting very emotional. And he has the great great quote where he's talking about giving up. The pursuit of a cash prize for your family is maybe even more paramount than sticking it out for a cash prize talking about the debt dilemma on edge of extinction of like. What am I doing here you know like should I just go home and be with my family or do I try and get back into this game and win money to obviously support my family and well? He made the right decision. Not Raising the white flag their standard. He gets back into this game so five of them by the way they used their one token at least on that advantage of not having to dig and that was the right call for all those five it sure looked like because we had what I guess it was poverty. You'll and there was someone else. Digging was it amber amber. Yeah I mean those things were buried so deep yeah looks like there are a couple of feet down trying to find those things so it was quite an advantage shadow to your word for being still in it because it seemed like his pretty quick but Yeah Party Amber Wurster Rogan. Yo talks break for you will. Because he got voted off the lot. The last episode so air go. He had to bequeath the tokens which meant. He didn't have a token to buy that advantage. And if he would have had a token to buy that advantages right in the mix. It's kind of weird They made on. Rob Has a podcast. That if you went out early in the game like a like Natalie did I one or amber first one from the other tribals was able to give her tokens to rob. You have a massive advantage. Despite the fact that you've been out there longer. Just because you're able to accumulate tokens get these advantages. Yeah the one hundred percent agree with the point they were making and I think I saw Dalton Ross rated about it as well. It's it's it's like backwards in a way. I understand it because you need to give them something to do out there when they're on edge of extinction but you're right like you'll last longer but is at a disadvantage because he's not on edge to possibly win more fire tokens thus. Is You know playing from behind a challenge that that's a problem and I know they're probably getting rid of edge all altogether so it won't matter moving forward but that wasn't really fair you agree with that. Gd I mean I would argue. I do agree with it but I also argue that. If you're out of the game you're out of the game so you are not privy to any of the alliances or any of the back room playmaking. I mean it used to be if you got a reward challenge and you were swept away to a yacht for a barbecue lunch. That was a huge disadvantage in the actual game. Because you weren't on the beach Bonding WITH PEOPLE. Strategizing with people. So if you're literally gone for I mean Natalie in particular was out of the game for Twin Nineteen Days. I guess she got voted out on day. Two and we're on day twenty one now. Yeah so she Oh the only information she has is coming from the people who get voted out so that to me is a disadvantage but for this particular season it seems to be as you say an advantage. Not only because she can collect all the fire tokens she wants and she comes into. Tyson came into the into the game with as Sophie said. No real history. No real baggage with him so he's not really a target. Yeah I just. When you compare edge of extinction to redemption island redemption island also allowed a player to get back into the game but it made more sense because if you went out earlier. Francesca I guess was the first one. In that season you had to like literally like run. The Gauntlet of beating the other people were that were then voted out like it was like a head to head challenge to get back in so it was more difficult. You had to win five six. Whatever it was to get back in where the later you went out then you had less challenges because you would only be taking on one or two to maybe get back in like that made more sense. Is that really fair to these people? That were voted out later on to then. Because then. No chance to find tokens within this challenge but anyway Tyson wins tasks. What did you think of the actual challenge like the obstacle course and the whole building? The Ki Ki all that and then that weird like s thing at the end. We had to drop the ball. What'd you think of the challenge overall? Thank you for the question skeets because I have a question for you guys has Boston is Boston. Rob Ever turned his hat backwards. Yes yes he should have done it in this challenge as well because during that part where you were you sort of use that fishing rod type thing to grab the hook and your faces smushed up against the wall type thing. His his his beak of his hat was down in his eyes. That would be the perfect time Boston to be Johnny Damon and turn your hat backwards and go after that thing. That's why he lost the challenge. Honestly that was. It was a fun challenge to watch. It's and I'm a sucker for the overhead shots as they get prepared for it on the beach. Seeing the entire landscape in that little cove they have their bill to do. They cut down the trees. Not Sure Anyways it was it was a it was a blast and I like how they use the the end there where they're trying to put the ball into the little hole. I know they use a lot of that. They're they're set builders build a lot of those strategic like you've got to have the finesse and the touch it is a good watch seeing them trying go up that snake in and Jeff probst amp to always always find. It was a blast. It was a good one. Yeah it was to offer water ending their. I mean to get so close because that to me you know it was a fun challenge there but I actually found it quite stressful because it was so difficult and sing a couple of them. Get Mike some progress and then the ball would pop out there because they had to be so precise the whole time so I come down to that photo finish as it was and photographer to win. Like men to lose that to get that close not win. That challenge must be just devastating. It must be like losing on the Buzzer the buzzer because it was just so hard to keep that ball controlled. I mean these challenges. Incredible you know what I what I will say what I've noticed. I think there really doesn't seem to be a physical advantage like that. Men carry over women in this. It's more about strategy and patience. I think is that is that. Is that accurate to say? Yeah I would. I think that's fair. In a lot of the challenges over the last couple of seasons there used to be challenges. There have been challenges in the past. Like there's there's to be one that it was just like who could legit just carry the most weight so something like that. Would I would say naturally just sort of favors men. You know what I mean. Yeah but then. There are a lot of other challenges. Generally it didn't happen last night and we'll get to that one where they're hanging on the poll something like that can yet women because sometimes the smaller feet that you can wedge in there. You're just later but you still strong. So yeah but I would agree overall. They try to find challenges that there isn't any real advantage for being a man or woman I would think as part of the show is part of the sort of the essence of the challenges to have something at the end where they are sort of close because in for the first four parts of that challenge really didn't matter in the end they all. They're all up. There all had the opportunity to win to put that ball in the hole. Digging really didn't come into play. Everything didn't really come into play because at the end it took so long They had eight contestants there. So I imagine that's part of the directors idea like okay We can fill some time here with a little untying of some rope things in running across this thing and dig out something and putting your face on the cage thing but in the end. Let's have eight contestants there with Opportunity Win to create the most drama still. It had me and we'll get to the poll challenge later also riveting television. I Love I love rate for polls. Great Yeah No. I think you're right task though. They always WanNa have like an equalizer at the end to just try and make it closer right so it's not just like hey who can just run an obstacle course. The fastest exciting. Because you're going naturally have people that are just quicker and more athletic but yeah to have a puzzle at the end to have one of these weird snake things at the end where you had tried to drop the ball. Hundred percent agree with that. I think that's the plan. How ABOUT TYSON? Making some some damn aggressive moves on that snake. There was a couple where you just like through like. I don't even know how the things stayed on and I wonder like it's all about that. Little touch no doubt but maybe you almost sort of have to do that in moving it from side to side like sorta. You just got to be bowled with your decision there to try and move that thing but he he eats out. Robin. Let's primal scream ice cream and I don't know about you guys. I was pre planned. I wanted Thais more than I wanted Boston. Rob To come back. I'll be honest. I was either way for me. I would have been happy. I wanted Natalie to win. Obviously but you know it was. The was it the power of peanut butter in the end. I think it was over. The worst showed another seen of him. Like eating peanut. We're going to this because I don't know the one time talked about. Hillary was hilarious. And sneaky and how it was going to give an advantage. But we haven't seen that jar at all that sitting out there. Boston Rob Could Stumble upon at the edge of peanut butter here. Yeah that's an interesting question is can he? If there's any left Kennedy bring into the game and is it still in his bag and Willett factor in moving forward Ovalles. God Yeah. Those are great questions the I would have been funny like poverty doing yoga. Maybe we'll get a shot of you'll doing some meditation Ethan. Doing some meditation. And then there's just a shot of Tyson scooping bunch of peanut butter into as well but yeah. Tyson wins that and does tell all the remaining edge of extinction players that they will get one more chance to come back in the game and that they're they're on the jury they'll be attending tribal councils to see how shakeout so they're sort of. They're they're they're on the jury they're ultimately going to decide right. Who who does win this game and one of them will get a chance to get back in we go to the merge the feast we have a menu shot. Now I took is like I paused it and wrote it down. This is the new menu and Tony Points out man. Prices have gone up so you have a couple of things like food category. There's like comfort category and then there is the teacher category. And these are the things on that list you can steal someone spot on a reward. That's three tokens. You can send a personal note to any player on the edge to tokens. That is a fascinating one. I Bet Tyson uses that one. He's gonNA write to somebody. Hey bring my peanut butter when new in your way back in the universe. Trae your favorite. Probably there was a small bag of beads. Four Tokens though. Yeah what about tough for me? I would have seen that on the menu and be like guys. I got four tokens. I gotTa take this. It's for the joke. What can I say beggar? Rice five tokens tasks that was one of your selections in our accordion draft. There was no keen Wa. Unfortunately one hundred Tokens Two pillows two blankets. Four Tokens. So if you want some comfort and then a tarp five tokens which really was interesting in this episode because we get a lot of rain and even Tyson. I think cracks at one point like hey. Is Anybody WANNA put together? Some Tokens here. Maybe a tarp windows. Maybe the rich people will do it and it says at the bottom of the last time you can spend fire tokens on the sundown of thirty four. Who knows if that comes into play during this merge? I think the most interesting part is we get the story of Denise Slaying Queen Sandra and she tells the story of what how it went down. And how she took out Sandra. And then there's of course some confessions. Like damn these taken down Sandra in that way do you think? Gd Like this. I mean look. She had to share the story. I mean everybody knows the story from her tribe at least could this denise in here like this building of a resume. I think Sophie calls it. Yeah absolutely I mean. She was probably going to go if she didn't win. Immunity in my opinion. And I think so. I mean a resume is the scariest thing on on survivor and you know. I mean they were probably sitting there for hours and everybody was sharing stories but obviously that story is going to stick out and she she. You know denise played it cool. She told the truth but she she downplays. She seemed to downplay it a bit like she was humble about it but Yeah now that said automatic. Target on your back I would have to agree. I mean they nicknamed her the Queen slayer which was kind of awesome. It's very funny to see the way that like the outside world influences the game because I mean we all except for Lee Watch. Game of thrones so the king slayer is out and about so of course. We know that there is a there could be a Queensland. That was hilarious. I also loved the way that the feast the Feast was filmed twelve people sitting on the same on the tables like the last supper. But yeah I mean. Sophie is planning an incredible game and I thought it was certainly interesting to hear her. Say she's the only one out here. That has a resume so no doubt. Denise threat level is rising. I'm glad you picked up on that. Last Supper shot. They even like the cups. They gave them or like chalices and stuff like that. And as cheers ing totally. I think they were going for. That was actually shock. No one like gave a confessional sort of about that being that. This is a winners at worst season but anyway then we get Wendell Jeremy so they broke down and they're talking about numbers they do discuss how strong players Sophie and Denise are they bring that up and then we get Tyson and Ben Discuss. They're I think they're at the water. Well in this scene this idea of like getting all the big targets together Let's call them the four horsemen right. Now Tyson. Jeremy Tony and Ben and the like. Hey we're the big targets And that all these other people they're like sleepers and low profile. I guess they call them. Let's stick together and pick off one of them my question for jd. Do you think Ben deserves to be in the big target category or is he not a slick move inserting himself? Because I don't think many people beds that big target. Yeah no I mean. It's sort of telling that they obviously haven't watched this season yet. You know like Tony Saying. Oh these all these these low profile characters. Michelle and Wendell and was it Wendell. Or it's so fi and denise. They're I mean they're very high profile on the edit you know so we have. There's a year between then and now but But Yeah Ben is no no not at all. I'm like a one hundred percent convinced now more than ever that a woman is going to win this season though and I think this is purposely. Put in here this idea like Oh. We're the big strong guys and we're the big targets and they are. I mean don't get me wrong like these are obviously some of these legendary players outside of Ben in my opinion with these four. But like it's these. Sophie who's been dominating asking even last night is dominating. Denise has been incredible Kim somehow lying low. I just really really believe now woman ultimately going to win this thing and stuff like this is slipped in here to misdirect or to come back to at the end of one of the women saying yes. I was the real player here. And that's the beauty of it you. You're big and strong and you're telling everyone you're a target but I'm the I'm the one that's running the show. You think there's any merit to that or do you guys could still see a man winning this game. I guess I'm with you. I had the Sophie Denise in particular but Sarah too I mean she's she's a real strategic player and she is not afraid of the big moves and this is sort of. I mean denise the Queen slayer obviously but Reluctant in the past and Sophie. I can't really remember her season. All that well But now is the time at post merge is where you make the big moves and you build that resume and we'll see I mean and their so calm cool collected and and ruthless so. I'm hoping to see some big moves from them. I agree with you I. I think it's going to be a woman. So what are you saying? You're saying that they're painting the picture that that the editors and directors are painting the picture that they're these big four horsemen but later on. They're just throwing us off essentially. Is that what you're saying? Yeah I guess a little bit. I just think there there may be driving the point home that like the guys talk a big game and yeah their strategy is we gotta stick together and that's fine but it's it's the women are like little finger right like they're actually the ones pulling all the strings not the big you know valiant night or whatever it's like we're the one working everything here and that will ultimately pay off. I could be wrong. I mean who knows but I I think I really believe Kim was my pick to win this thing but I think there's a lot of women and I'm glad you through Sarah in the mix there that that right now if I step back and WHO's playing the best game I mean I've got like three or four women above a lot of the men like personally so also does forget then to niece one immunity as well. Well that's well. Yeah let's talk about even just all the power just to remind everyone. Sarah has a steel vote. Sophie has an immunity idol. Kim Has an immutable. I mean so. Three women there with power. Jeremy does have the safety with Dell power so he's the only male right now to have sort of a weapon at his disposal. But yeah I try to you think because it was something Eh. Jd was talking about there like the ideal usually you hit a merge and it's pandemonium and it's like Oh my God you know the lines being drawn in the sand and we talk about this a little bit of tribal council in last night's episode but like this feel like a bit of a mediocre merge episode to you because it did to me a little bit. It was wasn't that chaotic and I don't know if that's just because these are really experienced players and they're just wasting their time. What was your take on that? Yeah I thought it was kind of strange because when it all shook out at the end it was a blowout vote for Wendell. Like wasn't even close nine to three. And we barely saw any Wendell at all in this episode. And that's why to me. The Sophie conglomerate APP OPERATING. His little finger is exactly right because there's like one line in this entire episode. Were so if he's like. Maybe we could get out and suddenly that route old because once we got to the merge all the talk was about threats or sleepers. But there's another group in. There is the middle ground. And it's that group of four women who are really making the decisions right now and that's why they're in the power seat despite not seeming like they're in the power seat however because there's so much going on including in edge of extinction challenge. I think we we didn't get the full strategy. Talk that we normally would because most of the strategy strategy seemed to be about trying to get out nick or Adam which I thought was kind of strange considering how the episode played up. Yeah very very strange. Okay so the I guess the foreseen. I'm calling it. Whatever it is the. It's the rain hitting them hard on day. Twenty one cold and Wet Day there and Fiji and we get the immunity challenge. We get the poll the classics survivor challenge of. Hey there's a pole hold onto it as long as you can and like this is crazy heading into that challenge because you had sophie like her body was convulsing shoes. Straight up shake. They all looked miserably. Cold She was crying. God that there is no doubt I mean I was talking about watching. The episode. Like to me by far would be the worst part of survivor. I could I think I could deal with. Of course you know obviously the pandemonium of strategy and backstabbing and lying and all that. I think I'd love that part. And even the Little Food. I think I'd be all right and just trying to survive with fire and stuff like that this part that cold and the wet mainly the wet. I think. I don't know how you wouldn't want to quit now. It'd be just be at your lowest point because you can't you're just stuck in a shelter and you're and it's not even doing anything. You're just freezing cold. Does everybody Lee. How would you fair with the the cold and wet weather? Yeah I mean that's obviously the first time I've seen it on the island because otherwise the weather looks when that tropical storm come through. I'm a little bit surprised that they are not given some sort of shelter because it could be a little bit dangerous with leaves and trees falling down and stuff. Maybe that's why it's funny. You say that because there's a scene in this where atom says it's just like this is just rain. It's just cold. I lived through cyclone and he was on a season where they actually evacuated the entire Isla. The contestants did because there was a severe cyclone. Yeah so I don't know where he gets off by saying he lived through a cyclic. Evacuate probably spent the time on Ponderosa. Got a little break from the game and then got back into it so I don't think any of those trees are falling lead though those are real strong trees. Unlike those trees we have in just listened those tropical. That's running a real tropical area. There in Fiji storms come through and I only takes off and out really knock your just one other question about protection. They forbidden from wearing sunglasses. Yeah I usually ask about sunscreen glasses. Gerbo. That's the other question was going to ask. I mean they must be wearing sunscreen. They are yeah. They're giving somebody I don't know they wanna see there is I mean. Even throats doesn't wear sunglasses. I maybe it's like one of those things but I just thought about Alaska because a couple of guys wear hats. So that's Okay. I guess but Sunglasses are no no God I. It's funny you said that in that scene where it's pouring rain and they're all just shaking and miserable. I was like Damn Smart. Move by Ben to have a big old cowboy hat like when it's whoring rain like that's what you would want to me and it's not going in your sort of. It's like almost like an umbrella for your head. Kentucky of especially when you see that shot of Jeremy with literally APP a bag on his head like a Satchel on his head to get a Satchel they all have all well they all have satchels. Lusaka backpacks That's the rule. I don't know okay. Well tough life. You gotTa Satchel. I thought you guys were roughing it task. Who would win between the no dunks crew of the hold onto a pole as long as you can if you if you were making odds here? Who's got the best chance trays got the tiniest feet wet. Those little cracks hold on because that means nothing to adult trey wouldn't trey wouldn't be out to adopt. Denisa strategy though of kind of like locking a fleet over each other Lincoln. A couple of definitely have smaller feet than trait but the joke is just too good to pass up. I I love Denisa Strategy. The lockup seemed like the way to go. Do you think you guys. You're you're you're you survivor. Historians do you think that they basically take turns. The best ones take turns between arms and legs their arms. Arrests like Denise Denise Full Lotus position almost as much as she could putting all the pressure on the legs then the arms is is that the best strategy to great question I will. I don't know I don't know the answer to that. I feel like that's sort of what I would do. Because that idea of trying to switch back and forth of the pain between your legs and your arms I will say I think the number one strategy with a challenge like this and sort of thing where you gotta just stay up there for as long as you can speak to this from experience of just running marathons in a weird way is like find your position and whatever you can do. Lock that that first position for as long as possible. Yeah don't break it because what like marathon when you stop running while you are screwed. You're just like just keep moving for whatever reason you'll sort of be okay but when you stop and think okay. I'll just walk for a little bit or whatever or like that. You're toast like to get the body. Going again is just is rough so I think the same applies to a weird challenge like this. I have no idea of. This is true but like that idea of like just get that first position lock in. Just hold it as long as you can and I think a lot of them tried to do that. The ones that were successful because then once you're moving around on that poll that I think that's when it's lights out. That's that's my opinion. Jd TRADE AD say there were a lot of tweets going around last night saying that the survivors were lucky. That poverty didn't get back into this challenge. She was the complete opposite. She moved around all the time she would go to the side of the pole and like wedge her foot in and hang off to the side like she's yeah in Mary poppins and she's asleep. Having a great time up there she would have easily won this challenge for the women. I do believe just because I don't know she's obviously got a tight strong core from doing yoga and also not super heavy with a strong grip of just like she can wait wedge those tiny seat in there and hang on as long as she needs help they get up there on the poll. I think ladders I think they ought to bring ladders in then you climb to the top of it hold on. They remove the ladders progress. All right let's go. They don't throw them up there. I was thinking maybe lift. Maybe it's like one of those cliffs. Yeah you go up because because the most dangerous part surely would be getting your initial grip you know because you know what does it say. It's more than ten feet of it. Looks I'm not sure exactly how Michelle looked like. She dropped from like fifty feet to me and that was why. Yeah she was down. She was down for quite a while to yeah that that was a scary drop. That was at least ten feet right. I mean I guess higher than ten feet personally but yeah and Adam was like freaking out there. How scared he was. So you're Miandad it's a little. Why do you say Oh God? You're not a fan of them. No I'm not a fan of Adam. I can't wait to talk about him soon. I've got finals. So yeah so they're playing for two necklaces to immunities men and Women Michelle Drops. I THAT SCARY. Drop Adam drops next and Sarah Tyson. Who by the way had one? This challenge way back in season seventeen and I think to speak. What were you were saying? They're trae poverty being so strong at it. I guess back in seventeen. I can't remember the challenge. All that well in token chiens Tyson was moving around like he was like going up and down the damn things like he's a lot younger at the time. So whatever. But he drops Wendell drops Tony Drops Sophie drops down to Denise and Kim for the Women Kim can't get in the groove and denise wins then Ben Drops and it's down to Jeremy and nick and they have a bit of a showdown up on the pole. Jeremy appears to have a strong left. Toe Jams. Thing thing was going to snap off at all. That's why I actually think skeets you would be pretty good at the poll holding challenge. You've got that weird toes. You could say well I I actually we task joking about your small feet. I have I have. We're oddly like skinny feet and I think that would sort of work well in this weird thing that you got to jam in there between the thing and you're might by Toews so my toes. Oddly wrap around the pole actually But Yeah Nick Drops Jeremy Jeremy gets the victory so it was a pretty good challenge and it was made much more difficult. I would guess by the weather the rain and the cold and all that there was also throwing me off how far they were going to fall. 'cause you know when they when it was coming down to their final showdown. They were both near the top of the pole but as soon as they started struggling and slipping all of the shots. Were like really close shot so we could see just how much effort they were giving and then when they finally fell they were like right next to the ground Okay well that wasn't quite as scary as I thought it was going to be when your arms finally fail and you can't hold on anymore they just kinda gingerly got down. So Jeremy Winds Denise Wins. They get fire token to should point that out. So far tokens obviously are still in play here and there. Is that menu that you could buy things from we go back to camp and this is where we get the scrambling to figure out. Who's everybody's GonNa vote for? So we get Ben Jeremy and Tony they talk about the vote going on nick or Wendell and we get this hilarious scene after. We're Ben Points Out. How Nick just butts in on every conversation and we get the whole areas montage so just a frame in like four or five different you know is what did you think of that. Lately the sideline was sidelined from song. Yeah it's obviously so well put together the editing of that. Because I'm sure that happens so often but yeah yeah and but I just made it a little a little piece of the show last night. There was that time where The two guys were talking attorney. I think was one of them in someone else and they just gave him the real like. Hey man how you doing like Gaddi about you? Nick Montage then Knicks Roseau. Adam's name so we'll start breaking down atom here in a second but they'll we get Sophie Adam and Ben. They're also discussing the idea of Knicker Wendell. So Sophie prefers to get rid of Wendell. And that's win the vote for it seems to shift a little bit but Ben Relays that information to Jeremy and he's not happy because Jeremy Bros. Wendell he wants to keep him over. Nick Jeremy's SORTA just goes on like this run of like talking to everybody like. Hey maybe you know why not? Nick is trying to at least the editor's trying to make. It seem like well. Maybe everybody's just going to go back to get running nick so you know we got Jeremy. Going to denise and he throws that idea out of voting owed atom suddenly. It's like it's three names. Nick Wendel an atom and of course we get our weekly scene of atoms. Super Paranoid Jd I don't know if you want to speak to this. Because he always good for one of these in episode. Yeah I mean he seemed to be the only one that was actually scrambling Before the vote And you know super paranoid super scared And I think Trae alluded to it. we're going to see him in the final. He is the guy you want next to you if you're in the final three because he will not win this game and that is why he did not get voted out last night while okay so trey you obviously think this well. I picked at them to win. Head of the season so yeah. I think he's going far no doubt about it but he keeps getting targeted. But nobody is actually gonNA vote him out because he is kind of getting to go at it right now. The guy you'd drag along because he's been in the crosshairs from day one and despite the fact that you're probably not GONNA WIN. The way can be an okay place to be in just because people are going to keep you around and who knows what happens when it comes down to the fire making challenge or whatever they end up doing for the final tribal combat. A funny thing happened with me and Adam last night. Because I've I've pretty clear I don't like seeing the way it was planning out. I was getting excited great. He's going to get voted out and then when he took a three one lead in the votes over. Wendell I was like something really weird happen. Us like actually. I don't want him out because I like hating him and I was like. Damn I can't believe I just been so sucked into this already. I want out on the show next week so I can hate him. Hope he gets voted out again some more and I thought but he's but he's going to be going and then a stunning recovery really To come back in and lose or to win you know not being voted off but I was like. I think this means obtrusive either fan. Now that I'm like I got my because I don't really hate anybody else and apart from window. I'm not really cheering for anyone else. So He's my one guy that on like I'm focused on and lose him so it was really weird some sort of actually pulling for him now in a stupid. We'd frustrating way. So why don't you like him? You don't like like that. He sort of feels weasley and yet he's annoying. He's young he's just like he's always complaining. It's like come on man. Well look what you're doing. You should be having the time of your life. So yeah he's got all those qualities that I really don't like but you know I love and hate is not really all that different you know. It's the same sort of emotion. jeep so You know like like I thought Wendy was safe anyway but now I'm sort of like win was not really at so. I'm still cheering for him. I'm sort of cheering saying I sort of hope does mike the fought because then I'll probably be pulling for him anyway and the fathers I come. These men go on and win at all now. I'm curious task. Do you have a survivor member contestant? You really hate is it. Adam is one that you're actually rooting against but in a weird way also pulling for it. Because he liked to see them on your. I don't like Tyson right now because he has the gall to not wear sunscreen. I don't have that. I wish I did. I know it's not a good trait to not wear sunscreen. Getting this in for he doesn't wear just because he's getting ten burnt Jaydee and his face is on fire so yes I don't have any inside information. You're totally right. But it looks like that thing is ready to dry and peel. Maybe he doesn't want people looking at him. So maybe that's advantage. Maybe wants to be as ugly as cost people forget about him. Don't look at me. I'm Jay your take on the scene between Jeremy Denise when Sheet Jeremy went to her and throws out that idea of voting Adam and you know I thought she played it perfectly because she was like. Hey No sweat off my back even though she has an alliance with that she's like. I'll go with the flow. Whatever you think what What'd you think about that? Particular Scene Rob Sesame said best on his podcast. This morning denise can read a room she knows how to play the game and she knows that Adam is Is You know he can rub people the wrong way. Obviously and She will vote with especially a right after the merge as as they say in tribal council is like an ocean. And you just gotTa go with the flow. Sorta thing current said that. So you know I mean you tell people what they want here to stay in the game. I love that. She gives us a basketball reference to did you guys pick it up in this scene or not long after she tells Adam Trust the process. Yes definitely cheering for denise right now trust the process for us or sixers trust the process. Okay so then. We get to basically to tribal council and he brings in the members of the jury still on edge and we start with discussing. Why why is it just not Tyson? What you were talking to. Tk like He's back in the game. Why don't we just all together and get rid of him? And you know Sophie and Tony. Make the point of like well. We're all expert players at this game by now and just because you voted out once things have changed. And maybe he's not that important but I wonder if that within all of that discussion and trae you were saying this. Is there some sort of underlying decision being made within the tribe that hey no one is going to vote at the end of this game for a returning player from edge so he is actually in fact? Tyson is not a threat by naming it because he ain't winning this game. Do you think there's some truth to that? Even though we've seen a Guy Chris last season or the last time they did this. He came back and did win the game. I think that's absolutely right. I think that they are cognizant of the previous extinction person winning the game and that likely won't happen again but all of the the quote unquote threats are certainly banding together and probably. That's part of the reason. Tyson was not on the chopping block as bay. Assume that we gotta keep somebody else around here because he's going to be a big target having come from extinction and just being an old school player who is well liked among the game with connections to so many people they just got to be figuring. We'll get them as soon as we can get him. But it's not super important right now. I guess that's probably what it is but I don't know I guess it could come back to bite you. They didn't get rid of Chris. Right when he came back but that was with five days left in the game. Then another fifteen days left. Okay Yeah here's the better question and I think I heard Robin and fish back about this. Jd would you be upset if Tyson were to go on to win the game coming back in the Rick Devon spot earlier than like Chris came back late at if someone else is going to come back late like are you? Are you more on board with someone winning the game coming back from edge? If it's like in this spot you know what I mean like much earlier and you still have so much work to do just around the merge then a guy coming back or a woman coming back in like basically the final episode hundred percent. I'm totally fine with Tyson. Winning this game because of the spot. Yeah because of this but also I'm not the biggest hater of the edge of extinction. Either I mean I like it in this season. I've said before just because I like having these people still in the on the show and in the game so to speak. Yeah and I think that they should have voted him out because I think that they are underestimating. How powerful he is because all those people on extinction are now on the jury and they if if it ended today or that was if they were voted on the winner today all those people on that Jerry would have voted for Tyson. I think just because he represents them right. He's one of us. He's one of the people who got voted off and he's back he's got redemption or whatever you. WanNa call it so I think he automatically has the entire jury rooting for him at this point. Yeah that's a strong point. How do you get you get a hidden immunity when Jeff says that just before he re debt the votes? Well we've we've had. I can't remember if lease even seen an episode where someone found hidden media so right. No I don't think you have because we started this obviously not at the start of the season but there are generally these idols placed out in the forest out in the jungle around the camp where you can try and find them. Sometimes you're giving clues times you're not and so that's generally how they're found so just never seen it happen. But that's why some of these people have these idols and that's why he always asks if you have a hidden meaning idle you WANNA play. Now's the time to do so before the votes in strategizing with that. You probably wouldn't play that if you didn't if you felt pretty comfortable that you were going to wait yeah. Exac exactly then. That's that's always the dilemma. Do I hold onto it to hold onto it do I hold onto it or am I in trouble and my being blindsided? That's exactly right. So right denise calls this one last night of defining vote. Wendell sort of disagrees with that which is funny. Because he gets voted out so-fi again I thought was amazing at this travel council like just a couple of cool things she said about really that whole thing of like you know. There is some skill in this game of of lying low really And not having to interject yourself into every conversation and know what's going on you have to trust people and I absolutely right. We have seen so far this season as soon as you start playing the game a little bit louder than anybody. That's exactly when you're going home and I think that's what happened with Wendell. He was so excited to finally be on a tribe with Jeremy on the same beach. We had that scene just like poking each other and the rich. They're like these guys are too close. He's buddying up with the threats alliance. He'll be an easy one to get up. He's been under in the crosshairs for weeks. Let's take our shop and it's so smart of her to say that the it on the first tribal council with the Jerry specifically for them to say. Hey I'm playing a quiet game and I'm planting the seed now that this is a good way to play the game. Yes that is a great point. Jd She is really saying that to them. That's exactly right Jane saying if appropes she's not even saying it to us the viewer or the people still in the game. She's really telling that to the jury who ultimately decide Who IS GONNA win the game? Abstract observation from you by Wendell voted out nine. Three appears to be nine three. We don't see all the votes but it looks like You know Wendell Nick and Michelle are the only ones voting for atoms. So that that little tribe the the tribe sell a two point. Oh they're all wrong. They vote for them. And it's instead Wendell that gets booted and it makes you think you know if that Guy Alliance of Nick Wendell and you'll would have just stuck together like we talked about on previous episodes. Would they still be in the game? Wendell Newell I think they would be if they sort of had tried to start devouring one another and instead they're both on edge of extinction now. Yeah and side note. I kinda didn't get Jeremy's strategy of trying to break up mic and Wendell so he could be Wendell's right hand man. Why wouldn't he just joined the two of them and then he could just kick one of them later on in the game. There's still twelve people left. Yeah know he's always been a meat shield guy though he loves keeping the threats close yeah and he also wants to be perceived as not driving the boat which means that he wants to be the right hand man not the guy so he wants to use Wendell as Michio. But if I'm the third in line with Nick and Wendell. The Nick is an easy vote down the road and they may be you have stronger. Alliance going into this vote but anyways. That was a question that I had that I. I just didn't add in quite see the logic there and there is no doubt at least it appears to me that nobody thinks. Wendell is a Mitchell by any means like he him nick and Adam. It's those those guys that are out there. That are the the low profile right the males right even though Wendell doesn't really appear to be that like obviously physically fit and has it got a great end of this season but of course we know to be charming and stuff like that so yeah for whatever reason but Jeremy I mean look Jeremy ultimately sides with the numbers right I mean they all is a pretty big vote like nine nine votes on one person at a merge doesn't happen all the time especially when there's like what how many people twelve people Pretty crazy that they all. That's why I call it sort of a mediocre merge because it just didn't have the fireworks they were trying to decide. I get it between Wendell Nick and Adam but it was like in the end all right. Let's just sort of like Tony. Said don't fight against the current right now like we're going to go to war and it's really because even Germany talked about like everybody's just throwing jabs right now like nobody's throwing the Haymaker Jab Jab jab distance. Get comfortable and then try and set up for the big one to here. So wendell throws his tokens Bequeaths excuse me tokens to Michelle and nick and also gets the drop shadow to nipsy. He's rocking the Kobe's first. Off The shutout to nipsy drops the marathon continues gotta love that. I read a thing. Wendell's point of view. You know how we've been talking about like that whole thing. We're Wendell and Michelle playing up their hatred for one another despite what we saw on the TV screen but they were obviously in a relationship. Wendo thing an interview with again. I think it was Dalton. Ross and he says yeah. He says they were playing that up from his side of things. Like we didn't hate each other. We were just trying to distance ourselves and make sure people didn't think we were tied at the hip and there's some truth with that to that because Michelle is voting here for atom. Right right yeah. They kept voting together. He gave her he bequeathed. One of his tokens her. I think I think it's all good. He just unfortunately for Wendell he got the villain of it at it out of between the two of us he had the gall to say stab you in the front. That just sounds bad. They're going to put that in the episode. If you're saying yeah yeah so. Then we get the next time on survivor. Nick looks pissed. That Wendell is voted out or more importantly he didn't know about Wendell being voted out. So he's on the outside and he throws out Sarah's name and it looks like Sara finds out about that and she basically says. Nick you're dead so we're led to believe it's going to be some sort of nick versus cerebral. You never know what those little next time on survivors because last one we thought it was gonna be bend versus Adam really or something like that and I guess. Adam's name came up but it wasn't really much of anything anything else from this episode. We'll we'll circle back and give out. Mvp's and who we think is looking good. We got some trails or anything else from this episode. Guys I wonder. When are they going to stop with this old school versus new school ideas? It finally done this whole conversation. It's like it's like it's really beaten into the the narrative of the show over and over and over again does it really mean anything or is it just like Oh is it just. Is it just a way for the players to do like mentally? Have some sort of separation. Is it? Just something to talk about really i? It just seems like it's like nothing or will it be important. And is it a part of the edit and that Tyson is back and he talked about it last night. Like you know someone points out. Even I think it's Adam talking about I can't believe all the all the O. G. Players are out first and Tyson sitting right there. He's back in the game and then but they I don't they also address. Was this last night. So we're there like we didn't really mean to do it right. That comes up at the fifty hour purposely mean to vote out all the Old School players but it just just worked out that way that way. I don't know maybe this is setting up for a Tyson win tasks. I know you wanted to put on more sunscreen. But maybe there's a maybe a part of it because he keeps sunscreen. Yeah because he keeps talking about. I don't think the Games passed me. You know I played three times before these people were. Even you know rock and survivor diapers. Which were there. Buff is a diaper. Maybe Tyson with this. Two million dollars creates a sunscreen. That's comprised mainly of peanut butter rule and protective. All of the same smooth. Right right what do you want on your face? Crunchy nuts or smooth nuts. Last question is nick wearing a blazer. Yes yeah so. It's it's ironic. Like is he being funny or is it was actually his birthday that day. So he was wearing a blazer really class it up. They were joking about him. Actually having it buttoned with no shirt underneath very look. Now we've seen a Russell Westbrook and Kanye West do it. But I would say nick from survivors. The Guy who's really pulled it off the bus and that's why he's my pick to win it all all right. Well we're going to take a quick break here before l. Store for us as a foreign country. The question I get asked often is what do I miss the March to battle the answer of course is the three s family friends and food. There's not much I can do about the first two other than by Messenger or facetime. Ads for the third. Category Food will thanks to the Australian Bakery Cafe in Marietta Square right here in Atlanta. I can dine on some of the finest cuisine from my country of birth anytime. 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How do those Lymington travel? They are amazing. I have to say they are really amazing. They're really authentic to. It's it's incredible so I've got six in the fridge right now. They probably weren't last until the end of tomorrow because it's one of those things once started very hard to stop aiding Lamitan's even though there are good size interest great so they're also say Lampton Lamey. I mean the dilemma individuals. Vanilla slice a few calories in their fish oil but worth every single one of them. Treat yourself and you're a man who doesn't eat a lot of beef but you love those beef pies. They must be very good well. Yeah that's the thing I. It's true that I donate a lot of meat but It's great to have them in the house for the kids right now. You know because you can just stick them in the oven. Twenty twenty five minutes and the kids love him so It's great you know all join in as well because that's what we used to have birthday parties when we were kids potty pause and sausage rolls so we've got the freezer stacked full of right right now so those. Those highs are so airs Salvini just so put Ketchup on a is it. Okay to put. Brown says the HP Saas. Because that's what I usually do. Well I'm not going to shame you under the circumstances we're in. We're at the As the Aussie rules grand final would probably Out probably suggest you don't do that. I don't want you to be frowned upon my I was actually you know what I don't even think they have the Brown source there for granted. So you'd probably be safe. But yeah I I catch up. Encouraged Ketchup is encouraged for sure. Yeah you gotTa have a play with source. Yeah Okay Soga support your local businesses guys. No doubt okay so we only have one. We're just GONNA do one question because we were running a little long here today. This question is really for JD. But everybody can chime in their opinion. I know you mentioned last episode that a song came on with words and it threw you off. It happened again in episode eight and I also felt like the sound mixing was so off the songs were overtaking the conversations and I couldn't follow what was set up points. Is it my TV slash speakers? Did it happen on your end to? This is from Matt in Phoenix who also added. Ps One time. My wife and I showed up to summer league in cliff. Robinson and Scott Polar Jerseys to survivor greats. We even met. Dj Triple Scribble. They met him and his now wife so nice little. Ps there. That's those are two awesome jerseys to rocket Summer League. So yeah we we once again. Had The you better be ready? Like SORTA type song. Yeah that right at the climax of the challenge rape before the ball goes in the whole. Well we'll no no not appear right like during the challenge and then they sort of came back the line but what did you think? Jd F- well. As far as the mix goes I didn't find it bad on my TV last night. And then I watch it again this morning with headphones and everything seemed to be sitting where it should be that said. I do like the music hot in my mixes in general especially on survivor. Okay Because I love the music on survivor So speaking of the music It's always been unapologetically cheesy right. And by the way there's always been vocals in survivor music in one form or another like the the chanting or the WHO's in Oz and a in a well-placed who but you know the new metal me rid. I Dunno that really crosses the line for me. It's like makes what's left of my hair stand on end. It's really really cornball and I wish they would just say it's jarring to that we've got in back to back episodes like they're they're using the same song now. I'm starting to think your theory that I forgot. I think. Jd trae like that. Sia wrote this ad like they got to use it and I don't know what's going on here. It is a little weird. Yeah a yeah please. Please make it stop. Jeff says call. It must be his favorite song. He's guys I heard this country song you're gonNA love it we're GONNA use it every episode so it's not a real song or is it a. Is it a song as been released? No IDEA I don't know but speaking of music. Did you see what was coming up after survivor last night? Kurt Brooks cut about two minutes of it. The best two minutes Jeannie they were doing call in Baton Rouge as soon as survivor contrition. Just taken request. I heard him heard him. Did they did landslide by fleetwood. Mac carthy made a joke. You guys want me to sing it Tricia. Why don't you take this one? He killed at Bell. Great to have garth back is he. Is He married Tricia Trish okay? Okay okay they doing this together. That's maybe not smart decision right now with everything going on. That makes more sense okay. I didn't know they were married before. We say goodbye here. We usually end with two questions. We'll go around with the first one task. What are you GonNa Start? Who Do you? Who Do you give? Mvp of this episode two. I'm giving it to Wendell out because he was eliminated from this show but because of a prior performance when he was on our podcast a couple months ago he put on such a good face. He was so bubbly and so happy that you guys who did the interview trae definitely believed that he won the entire thing us at. It could still happen. I guess he's not GonNa win. Come on but I guess I guess I guess you're right but anyway he's done an incredible media training. I guess that's part of the script or part of the playbook. Hey if you go and do media obviously don't give anything away but also be happy you know. Throw throw throw their ear interviewers off so Wendell you did a great job. Well one thing. I'll say about Windows interview. Going into the challenge of the returning player I was. I knew right from the moment it started. The Tyson was gonNA make it through based on what Wendell said when we interviewed him. We ain't calling him to Lebron James on survivor. Tyson's going to win. Yes he did to deepen the subtext right now. Way Yeah you are but I do like when we were heading into that challenge and we have like the Peanut Gallery. I forget who says it but somebody drops a Tyson plan. He is locked. 'cause you're like damn six against the Celtics. Yeah exactly Hiller out there. I also liked the peanut gallery. Line Rob's good at everything he said. Rob Rob's doing rod good at everything and then also Tony saying well. We can see why Sandra left. There is no way Tony. You're not ready giving MVP to Lee of going with Denise. Because I thought if she didn't get immunity that as you said earlier that they probably would have tried to get rid of her because think she's a she's a big big player in this one and I think others want to get rid of her. Because she's she's very good and she hung on for that piloting whatever it is and basically that sort of force their hand to have to vote somebody else so. I think that was world playboy her to get that immunity in. I think I think she's going to be in the crosshairs. Though in the next couple of weeks I think people are going to want to get rid of her but because because otherwise. I think she's a big threat to go on and win the whole thing. Trae who you got. Mvp THINK MY MVP is Tyson. He won his way back onto the game. He had a nice emotional moment talking about his daughters with Jeff there right before the challenge and then once he was back in. We didn't see any heat on him at all. It seems like he just slid right back into the game and as he said if you let me get my roots into these cracks it's GonNa be a problem and it might be because when you think back on the last edge of extinction yeah a guy from extinction one but the funny thing is that Rick Devon's also came back from extinction if Chris hadn't taken him on in the fire. Making challenged Evans was GonNa win that season two. Yup So hi Devon spot. Maybe he is the Lebron of survivor. Yeah Yeah. Mvp's Tyson for me and you listed all the reasons. Why so I will not repeat them. That's he had a pretty damn good episode. Get back into the game alone is huge. But then having no heat on you and and like you said you even got some of those emotional moments and some maybe some slick editing. Were at least inclusions of talking about like. Hey I'm the OJ. I can still play this game. Yeah it's a damn good episode for Him Yeah I actually had a high of denise and Tyson but since you guys already talked about that I'm going to a MVP sophie's hair because it's sort of distracts me because in certain shots blonde but in other shots. It looks completely gray. So it's an freaks me out and it's kind of distracting a and I love it. It looks it's cool so sophie's hair for me so phase of hair color excellent all right and then tasks again. Who Do you think maybe is on the ropes here? Who's your pick to get voted out in episode nine next week? There's too many people left. There's twelve there's a whole dozen. I hope I have the stamina to watch another twelve weeks. Not that I don't like it's a long time. It's like it's like eighteen hours of eliminations as eleven right. There's eleven left now and yeah. Don't be another somebody comes back Don't worry six episodes. Listen I I have no idea. Please ask someone else but let me just say before we move on. This is why Sandra Stayed The Queen. Because she would not win this way she would not return from the edge of extinction above that and that is above the integrity or she would not win in this way. I'm going to say it every episode. Sandra stays the Queen. I don't know why she's a queen but I I believe she will stay on. Task stands for Sandra's so much I didn't believe at first. I didn't believe her at first. She doesn't fit the the queen type. I guess but got lead. You Have A. Do you feel worried about someone next to accept some. Just think. Yeah I think they'll be going for her so unless she can somehow so to get that immunity again or or just work the game to survive. But I think they'll be a bit of a coup trying to get rid of her because she's a she's a pretty dangerous player in my view. Yeah no you're not running like she really. If anything added to her resume. Last night she picked up a you know an individual immunity challenge. Count for something to and you get to the end though. I'M GONNA guess next week when they have their next individual immunity challenge. It won't be a men and women Sort of dual win. But we'll see okay Janey what about you? I'm I'M GONNA go with what I've seen and it looks like nick is on the ropes. But who knows I mean who knows? Yeah you never know trae. I think we're going big threat hunting next week. I'm not exactly sure who it's going to be that for that. For some of the guys who consider themselves meat shields. I think one of those guys is going to go home because that's a kind of traditional merge boot is being worried about the guy who's going to win every single immunity challenge. It rarely happens but wouldn't be surprised to see a big threat. Go down next week. GimMe Ben Okay Ben. Yeah I like that thinking. I'm actually on board with that too. That we sort of someone throws the first punch probably be it the sleepers getting together and getting one of these lions as they keep calling them. So give me wow give me. Tony seem strange but fell just randomly say Tony. Maybe is in trouble being a big dog big target. But you tell us get your questions in for next week's no buffs episode email dunks. The ATHLETIC DOT com. Make sure you throw survivor in the subject. Header helps us out. We're GONNA have a silly new podcast for you tomorrow. Jd All you need to know is to get the Gun. Ready all right all right. Yeah so shine it up real nice maybe taken apart clean it put back together and have a feeling that thing might be fired on tomorrow's silly podcast and we'll drop. We also have decided on our next movie for Monday's film session. We are going from uncut gems to Airbud believe it's nineteen ninety seven's air but Yeah I mean look we. GotTa we've had to uncut gems. We all liked. We gotta get one that we may be dislike. Maybe we won't. I've never watched air buddy neither as anybody not all the way through. Okay okay. So we're going to see a dog play basketball. We're going to talk about it on Mondays. Episode of Film Session until then till you hear from us tomorrow on Friday with that silly podcast. We have in store the tribe spoken.

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Survivor 40 Episode 5 Recap with Nick Maiorano

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Survivor 40 Episode 5 Recap with Nick Maiorano

"So check this out. I got word that Hulu through this crazy party in Beverly Hills with literally all in the biggest reality TV stars. I'm talking about all the Bravo. Lips Candy Barris Porsche Williams. James Kennedy. Jack's Taylor even captain Lee and Kate chastain. Here's the genius part. If you want to find out what happened at the party you have to watch the commercials. Yes I know I'll be tuning in and then signing up for a free trial to get my favorite reality. Tv SHOWS AT HULU DOT COM comedy. You live from my apartment and like nowhere else. It's ROB has a podcast. And now here's the guy who has never been involved in any buddy system. I am sister Nino. Hello everybody. Welcome to rob has a podcast very excited to be here with you to talk about some survivor today. We had to switch things up a little bit last minute. We were supposed to talk with the Sepah on our recap. I'd works in healthcare dealing with a lot of meetings right now about how to best deal with the virus and she should keep doing that because the more important stuff than talking about survivor but we have somebody a first responder who was able to come and help us save the recap podcast. This week and talk about his cousin being voted out of survivor. This week please welcome the Mayo Jar. The Great Nick Myer Ano- emerging receive response. Team is here. How might a backup? Rob Can you tell me? Can you explain how I am the backup? The most popular guy in town is the backup quarterback the Sepah was allegedly. Not even talk to to be on the season and I am the backup. Yes so are you saying that you are the of this podcast that you didn't even get a call to be episode season? He's US and it's very upsetting now. I now I can empathize. What she went through when that occurred. Yeah okay well you are an alternate here for us and I really appreciate you coming on going to figure out a week to have you on here by appreciate you answering the call and jumping in. We just moved it up a little bit. That's fine with me. Yeah we moved it up a little bit episode for me. Yeah good episode to talk to you. I'm nick is not here with me in the studio like we have done. I think every other podcasts. We've ever done in the past. Yeah other than what was the one after Koran? What do we call that? The deep dive Here in studio we just into video. Maybe but I was in studio. You came in and you came in right studio and yeah I remember because it was like July. Probably a million degrees I think that the big brother whatever it was whatever brother was going on but like big brother. Seventeen cast got dropped that day. Yeah enjoy coming up. Oh yes I commented. What were you doing videos on big brother? Of course something like that. Yeah Yeah so yeah. This'll be a new experience for us. Nick I know I know our voices. I won't be able to play off each other physically but it'll have to do. This is fun too and so I really appreciate you coming on to talk with US Nick. What's going on in your world? I was GONNA say I've seen a bunch already anyway. So you in brea and I saw for the Premiere and the ten year anniversary of the September fourth. I mean it feels like Bernie recent to me. It feels like about six years ago to me. Premier to premier was like a month ago. So you say you're recently in February. But anyway so nick excited to have you with our live show on a Wednesday night. Definitely people should check that out. It was a fun one. If you missed that we also have an east coast for the first time because we had so many problems with the premier livestream that I said you know what. Let's make sure we have all our bases covered. Shannon. Gus and Rick. Devon's live on Wednesday night on the East Coast Time Slot and then they had a. I know it alls before we did our live show together from North Hollywood. And we still have our feedback. Show coming up this weekend with Lisa and then doctor and Urbanowicz will be our guest on this week in survivor history. Nick everybody doing okay by you you in a self quarantine. I'm in self quarantine I did. Ugliness is not the the the the right to self quarantine is that people have been said some sort of an exposure. But you are. You are basically cooped up at your house right. Y- yeah I did have a little cold though so I wasn't. You know it's one of those things where you're in limbo. You're like all right but let's not jeopardize anybody else you now sure. Sure okay. Yeah you sound good. You sound good. That's I feel like as a trained podcast. I can tell if anybody has any sort of congestion that I'm talking to on the line okay. Well then I'll take your word for not a doctor. I'm not a doctor but I just feel like I can tell who's up and WHO's not although you'll have a doctor on the podcast later. This week she was great for season. Thirty nine yeah yes okay. Well Nick Let's talk about survivor season forty winners at war nick. I'm hoping that you can channel your former blogging pass to help us really break down everything that's going on here in season forty. Well then I'll have to start writing for you again but Yeah what an episode. We have so many think missed love connections between Wendell and Michelle. We had Nikki and Parvin. I even feel like rob and his tribe was a missed. Love Connection. Yeah well that's a great point because I'm sure everybody wants to get into the Michelle and Wendell of it all but I watched the episode back this morning and I kinda feel like that. The relationship between Adam in Boston rob is not unlike the relationship here between Robin Atom. It seemed like they were off to a good start a little hot and heavy of that. I'm not sure who's the Robin. Who's the Wendell here? Who's the Michelle and WHO's the window here? But it feels like that. Adam put his trust in rob that he felt like he could keep giving him some information about things that he wanted to do. And then rob burned it. Rob Betrayed him and I think there was some hard feelings in this relationship between rob and atom. Wear that rob was sort of like. This is the season of relationships. And you know Adam and I. We kicked it. But and Adam is like Really Boston ROB NEW SEASON. Hoot is well. Well hold on though. I think you could play this many ways because one could say. Hey Adam was playing the field now. Who was playing the field in the Michelle Wendell relationship? We don't want to say do we? But it has some similarities. I think you're right. Yeah so it is interesting and that that relationship really I think was at the heart a bed. That's the mentioned that Ben was not feeling it with rob either. Yeah you had a chance to work. Rob Had the right idea. Well I always wonder. I think three's too many people. But when you're coming from a tribe to a new tribe tribes up. I always wonder if you didn't get along on the previous tribe or if you weren't on the same page why why spill the beans to the other two people. You know like Ben and Adam they spilled every single possible detail of what was wrong with their previous relationship and now Sophie and Sarah are collecting this information and they get to decide to do what to do with it. Yeah so so so why not? Just lie and say no. We're good like hey we're we're happy family. Granted it's probably too many cats to her because they're going to talk about each other anyway. Yeah I think that one of the great roles of survivor is that it's not so much numbers it's that whatever is the biggest tightest group so in the in this group that you had three people. Yeah there were three people from former La but the two people from decal even though they were not especially close. We're still closer than what was going on between those three guys. That's that's a very astute point. Yeah whoever is the closest? Yeah and yeah you're right. I think you're right relationship wise. Yes those broken. Yeah right not to mention that then so fees idle find really solidified not. There was any chance that Sophian Sarah. We're going to turn on each other but I feel like that. Then they were sort of like When from a like a real what would you could've engaged at? That point is that what's what's that a lot bound to be married for sure. Yeah they're on the engagement path. Yeah Yeah further along than Michelle wind and we can say you would think so. Yeah you don't think that. Michelle and Wendell are on their way to a couple. Who is that Adam from the first? Okay everybody's worried about him and denise going off into the woods now Jeremy and Natalie and Robin Ambers says that very interesting. Yes so this this situation. It was sort of the opposite of the way that you guys swapped in survivor call wrong. Because in survivor wrong started with three tribes and then swap down to two tribes and then in this two tribes and then did the swap to three tribes and then I believe interestingly in the in the group that you were swapped to right wasn't it was it was a two and two from brain. Who who too yes correct. Yes okay so and you yourself were it was just you and Michelle from Herat beauty tribe that went to the new tribe that was formed. How did you two than face situation going into okay? Now we're going to start dealing with a with a new group. Well I think that was what I was saying before about like lying because Michelle and I had a relationship but it was a little rocky because you know I told her. Hey she was on the outs I but then all of a sudden she got in with the girls that three days later so I went into it talking to her being like. Hey let's just tell them everything's good and we're like super super. Hey let's let's just do that. So we so they don't like find anything wrong with us to to break us up but But I'm sure she went and told the truth to like Debbie or to Sydney or to whoever we're kind of on the rocks a little bit Do you think you should stay strong as possible with your partner and that was a Sophian Sarah case you also you also have to be that actual thing you have to actually be solid so in terms of giving information to the other tribe. I think that this was interesting. We saw that. The groups like approach it in different ways. I came was kind of standoffish. Like she didn't want to say about what would what had gone on their tribe. You saw poverty like asking like a lot of questions about what was going on on the other tribe and then actually she was asking more questions about the person like Wendell. What's your story? Nick what's your deal. And then we saw Boston rod asking like point blank questions of was a unanimous for amber. Okay was a unanimous for Tyson like really. It'll yeah who has the number to find the idol that we saw several different approaches to how information was shared with the other tribes. What's the right way to approach that? I think the right way is the Sarah and Sophie Way. They just kept their mouth shut. It seemed and they were just given information left and right Kim Kim when she was talking to who she talking to. I know she paired up with Denise Temporarily Ella and Jeremy which you're talking to Jeremy Yup and yes she wouldn't give them information and she's I think she's right to do that she well. You know it's not smart for me to talk about this right now. By by me. She hinted at it but she didn't give up everything so I think there's that talk less. Listen more Yeah because because people are willing to divulge it's weird. It's weird out there. When that happens that happened to me on at the merge and people are just like spitting the truth and I was like. Why's everybody telling the truth right now about what's going on because it's a lot of information that can be held against you? Yeah I think that's a really good way to approach it in terms of just like listen more than your leaking the information because it can only be used back against you but people feel like that then. That is a way if I if I tell you what's going on and then you'll trust me that's true that's true if you don't say anything 'cause that's probably was my approach yet you come across as wait. He has nothing to give us. Yes no input right yeah. We can't connect with him or her. Yes yeah I mean I feel like that in my own experience with the swap that I was just so excited to be away from my original tribe that I felt like this is like this is my signal. I WanNa work with you guys because here. I'm telling you everything so I wonder if that's like you know I know it backfires on people that are you her you though. No no no N Not much hurt me in that game nick. Okay when did you? Did you swap? It all starts snow Let me tell you why if I slapped starts the same thing like Oh my God voss in rob is running everything together you would. You have done today in in this season when Boston. Rob Did the buddy system or are we not there yet. We can go there so who am I. Am I add more neck member like you're you're Adam are Ben Yeah. Would you have gotten to the girls the women it's interesting of how they approach with that you know that they seemed afraid of rob where? I just I mean yeah if if that was maybe that we're they just so worried that they were that rob Bain turn it around on them and they were worried. That rob was going to jump ship because in in rewatching the episode. It doesn't seem like that. Either of the Women Really gave rob the time of Day. So that rob was going to be able to flip to the other side. I guess the question is and they don't really know in terms of how the advantages are working coming in from the edge of extinction. Are they worried that potentially rob might have some sort of advantage or an idol sent to him from amber or do you think that's not that's not even in their thought process. I don't know maybe it is but even rob said it about Sophie and Sarah was just like well. They have an idol ebonite. Oh what can we do? You know right right which does not inspire a lot of confidence neck. No probably nine and people have said this online smarter than I They said like maybe rod handcuffed himself. How Sinai by not allowing strategy by doing the buddy system key handcuffed coughed his own ability to strategize if he was the boot which he was if he was the target for you. 'cause obviously they had discussed those first two days on that beach. Hey like maybe. We don't like rob as much as we like you to. Sarah and Sophie so maybe rob hindered himself keeping everybody in the shelter. Yeah I thought it was a good take because he he did it to himself. Yeah because it does seem like that rob has like the ATM pin codes. Unlock Ben if if he gets Ben on one and then anything going on tonight. No No You sure you're not telling me something Yeah we'll there was a great scene about them looking for the idol and so if he found it but Boston rob was the one narrating and he was Saying he has to learn what the new schoolers are doing. Yeah and I just thought that was a great foreshadowing. Because it's kind of like rob was behind on the strategy. He actually either thought this would work or it was as last ditch effort to stay in the game in. Maybe he was behind the Times. Yes so do you feel like this entire episode was maybe like a referendum on the death of old school survivor where rob has had some success in this season certainly to this point but ultimately ends up meeting his untimely end in the game when he comes across. Sophie is necessarily considered a new school winner. She did play a more of an old school type of game her first but that Sarah ends up with the with the winners of seasons thirty three thirty four and thirty five. Yeah but yeah but yeah exactly and Sarah certainly is a new school winner on the opposite side of the alliance. So yeah I think he was the death of this staggering game play. I think would you have kept him? I would have kept him in so that if he was adamant Ben The people that were keeping him in. It seems like that they felt like okay. Well Rob is GonNa be a shield and I'll be able to not get voted off and I think that that works when there are big when there is a big group of numbers but I think that becomes less of a thing when there's fewer numbers of those people. It seems like that Adam is the only person that might have felt that way at one point and certainly did not feel that way. Now I think that also rob where it was such a great moment last week where rob said to Adam A. You're GonNa work with me or I could tell everybody that you're talking about talking to me right now and I'll make it up and I think that that was sort of like the end of the effective working relationship between Rodham. Yeah and bad swap for rob here really did not end up with anybody who had interest in working with him. Yeah Yeah I mean the only good situation would have been for him would have been poverty from his original tribe right. Well I think Jeremy I think Michelle also I think cavity Jeremy Tony and the nuts andrew. Yeah you're right. You'RE NOT SANDRA. But it does seem that they might have been some other more amenable people that were on the other tribes and rob didn't get any of them in his right and I also thought it was interesting. That rob wasn't on that block puzzle. I mean obviously maybe the majority overruled him or he stepped down. But you've been doing the puzzles all to that point and then the puzzle. He doesn't do. They lose but he definitely lost when he was well. It's interesting when boss on the puzzle and he screws up that say well. Why is on the puzzle and then if a bus route is now the puzzle we say? How can they import parts of the puzzle? Yeah Yeah I don't know. I wonder what happened there? Yeah he was his decision or not. I don't know I don't know if he likes to be in control. You know this is one of these things that I thought they'd had this one before. And maybe rob is good at the puzzles but not necessarily like a superfan in terms of memorization that I wonder if maybe finance and I'm not sure if maybe that this had been on a season which had already like in either Adam or sophie season where they felt that there was a confidence also non compliant. I don't know I don't know that. Four rob do you think that he may have gone the wrong way in terms of trying to keep things with? Adam and Dan he had not had a great relationship with Ben or atom. Do you think that maybe if he would have seen an opening he would have potentially thrown one of those guys under the bus and just and just jumped ship. I don't think so I don't with things so yeah you're right. Especially if those women were receptive to his strategies but again that makes me think that it was a more emotional decision by the four of them than it was a strategical one Yeah I'm so few things on this. This goes back to when Adam thought that he could get robbed to vote against poverty. That rob doesn't vote against his numbers. Any doesn't flip flop in if you through all all five of Boston. Rob's games right that she's never. He's never flipped in gone with the other side that he's going to work with people even if he has differences with his people he's GonNa like okay without them and Ben he's GonNa stay with them. He's not gonNA throw those guys overboard and then and jump in with Sarah and Selfie. That's just not how he plays the game so I think that that is part of it there and then the other the other half of it was. I don't even remember anymore. All he did. I'm paraphrasing here. But he did say a tribal council something along the lines of like people working together works. Yeah people are both and people go far that way it just so happened. He was talking about four people. Yes okay yes so. This is what I wanted to. Sometimes less is more. This was something that I believe. It was Shannon Gates and rick. Devon's we're we're talking about this so that for for Adam and for Ben. This was actually an interesting decision. Because they had to. They could have gone and voted with rob and then in their minds had a surefire vote against Sarah and then another surefire vote against Sophie where they were in the in the majority for those two votes not knowing that Sophie has an idol and that Sarah has the votes steel presumably. We just assume that they didn't know about those two advantages now. They have a much more interesting. Vote where okay. This was easy four to one. Vote Boston Rob Bud. For one of those guys. They certainly made the wrong decision. If this tribe goes to another tribal yes and so which guy do you think I ended up making the worst move? Was it ben or was it Adam? We'll route will. I think that's a perfect point. Because it's Ben and Adam have to decide individually before they vote out rob M. I. Closer to Sophie and Sarah or as the other person Adam or Ben Closer Sophie and Sarah. Yeah and that's a hard thing to judge without having all the information about your other person that you just swapped with. So that's why. I think I would stay three and then gotten rid of Boston raw after that. Guy. I would've I would've tried to get rid of Sofia or Sarah and then hey next time if we come to tribal fine. We'LL GET RID OF BOSTON. Rob's nobody's getting along with them. Yeah I think it's really an interesting decision because then also you feel like Even though Boston rob has had sort of like a mixed or checkered track record in the challenges this season you feel like he. Is You know in certain ways. There are certain things in the challenges that he's very good at. You feel like you have a good chance to potentially win a challenge with Boston Rob on board and then four Ben or for Adam. Presumably this tribe goes back trial counsel. One of those guys is going to be voted off. So you have one hundred percent chance to get through and get rid of rob this time around but now basically it's fifty fifty if you lose another challenge. Yeah you're jeopardizing your next tribal and that's why it's difficult you got to repair those broken fences or I mean in an ideal world. You don't have any broken fences before this So that's the that's the trouble with it. You just gotta get along with everybody in the beginning Nick. Who Do you think is better position? Do you think it's adamant the Bachelor Question I think the women would rather play with Ad. Yeah so what about you? I think that what's also interesting about this is that I think that each of those guys owns a half of the relationship where I think that atom probably has a much better relationship with Sophie. I have no idea of Adam has a relationship with Sarah but I believe that Ben is closer with Sarah but I would guess then secondarily. I feel like that atom might have more of a relationship with Sarah Than Sophie has with Ben so I would feel like if push came to shove. I think that Adam has the better relationships but I think that Ben would be more keen to push overboard. I agree with that. I think maybe the Women View Adam as like. Hey this is our little brother. Let's bring him along. Time thing versus Ben. It's like oh he's been going to find an idol. What's going to happen next with Ben? He went all the way in this crazy fashion to the end in one. So I don't know I just think they might. View Atom is less of a threat and more comfortable with Adam. Everyone but I think that Ben might do more to throw him under the bus. That agree with that. He's called him a weasel which might IM-. Yeah Yeah but which might bring more attention though to Ben. Yeah were you saying negative about other things more those negative things get attached to you. I would argue. They stick to you. Yeah if you if you bad mouth somebody with negative words people might associate those words that you're speaking with yourself. That's what I think Yeah that's why you should always talk kindly people because then they think maybe you're kind person. I mean that's what you do right. Yeah of course I just lie a little bit. Yeah grab your amazing. You're such a good dude and then people will think I'm such a good dude. I'm so amazing right. No chance that we'll see Sophie and Sarah having a Split. That would be quite the curveball. It's possible it's possible. Listen Sarah One of her confession. She said. This is going to get a lot more messy. So I'm going to believe that to to the tea and so I could happen. Throw anything out so at this travel council for this group there. It was kind of interesting discussion. That was had about how the in this season of survivor. It's actually harder than other seasons of survivor because actually the beginning of survivor is easy in most seasons and the and I felt this way for a long time. It's just you know don't be terrible. Don't be don't don't terrible at the game. Don't be Super Bossie. Don't be somebody WHO's like a sticking out like a sore throat Sore Thumb. And if you could just do those things you'll you'll get through the first couple of votes but not this season. Not This season okay. Yeah because there's past relationships fine. Why do you feel like somebody was playing especially bad the seasoning? I voted early. Obviously Rob O. So you feel like I but rob I feel like did so much work to get to this point but this was a question that I had been thinking about that in the past episodes. Do you feel like that Harrison. Yeah Tyson too Beth. Yeah because obviously. We weren't shown it. But Nick had the confessional and obviously we don't know take take his word for it but gave the confessional was a blip. This episode like Tyson was ruffling feathers not to bring back to blood versus water but He he was causing trouble and now they felt all better because Tyson was out because he was on a causing friction. Or whatever. You WANNA call stress. Yeah I feel like that might have been the person that you say. Okay well I actually got voted out from playing Italy. There's good spot. Unlike we're T- Tyson was sort of on the bottom from the jump and then was making trouble making waves trying to save himself. That Danny was in like a perfectly safe spot and played her way into being voted out. I think I would only argue. Natalie amber are the ones that didn't do anything that role Yeah but I will say like the the threat. Level is a previous games as well on top of relationships. Yeah you're you are right in the sense. That people didn't do as much as you would do wrong if you were to get voted out. Tyson's a great player so therefore it's just something to add onto if he's ruffling feathers just one of the thing on Boston. Rob Because this may well be the final time we ever see Boston. Rob Play the game. We don't know what's going to go on the edge of extinction if he's going to get back in. But I do feel like that. This episode did really like crystallized. Just the Boston Rob Philosophy which I think is always US versus them. That Boston Rob Fosters a group of people and then villain is is the other group of people and and so it's our group where the you know the other the other people. They need to sit over there. They're not they're not part of this. This is this is our thing and we're just going to never turn against our group of people against that other group of people over there. Yeah and there was a time when that worked and it's worked. What twice for him technically. He didn't win all-stars. But it's worth twice in not worked three times. Are We counting? The He's been on the show six only played five right yeah it was working pretty well in heroes villains. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah you're right you're right right right. Yeah Okay with that in here villains but yeah it's interesting that it's not us it's me. That's the new Game Jersey. Good speaking of which on rob I know. We're talking strategy. Did you get any flashbacks to Matthew? When he was sharpening the rock on the knife I think also learn the interwebs. Yeah Yeah I two things that were that came out of this episode of that people are talking about when I said. Why does he need the machete so sharp? I think he's GonNa kill us that it was weirder. I think that When Matthew was doing it this he would just like as as a pastime would just sharpen the Michetti. I was curious of you know how. Why did he needed so sharp? But for Boston was like just like as a way of passing the time subconsciously. I came across this kind of menacing of like nobody. Everybody listening to me as I. Sharpen the sword over here. Yeah then east any got up like the undertaker when somebody moved out of the shelter. Oh Hey look how shepherdess flip and. I'm glad he tried his old tried. And true strategies that have worked before. Cas You know. Maybe you can't change. Would you argue with that? Maybe you can't adapt as well as you would like to think that you can. I'm not just speaking to Rodham speaking forever and I think that that is a pretty good point. I don't think that people can change their game too much. I feel that the the best example of a person who did change their game was Sarah but did she did. She bought like not no the show super well and then learn more about the strategy. Or did she fundamentally change the way that she plays as a as somebody? Who's out there? Yeah that's a good question I would argue that. She did learn a ton of stuff On her after I try but I would also argue. She was probably set up to be a great player in Kagi on but just with her placement. We didn't see all of that so that's what. I would argue. Yeah so I think that that's a pretty interesting point of like how much can a survivor player change? And I think just like on a bigger macro-level how can people change? Yeah I I would say not much. Yes yeah okay. I feel like that's sort of larger. You are you. You are who you are. And that's I think that's a great question. I think the Sopranos does a lot of great work to examine that question. Oh I've never seen Sopranos W W I I think I was. I feel like I'm too young but you're too young well. When did it come out? Wanted to debut nineteen ninety nine. I was just graduating eighth grade in nineteen ninety eight so I don't know about a freshman in high school watching Sopranos. Actually go back. Maybe go back. Okay all right. Let's talk about what's going on on these other tribes. I know we want to get your take on how. Michelle is doing in this season. My Boom Michelle will yeah. Let's not even get into the relationship stuff is doing. She is playing as far as I'm concerned much different okay. Well this is what we're talking about. Somebody play differently. So can you identify the things? What are the things that Michelle is doing differently? This season than she did in Koran. I would say I think early on. Maybe she was a little timid. This season granted. We didn't see much of her. So maybe that's the reason why I got. I got that feeling but in what we've been shown now it feels as though she's more assertive and when it was when I was with her for the Sixteen Days Eighteen Day. No twenty two days twenty days. I didn't get the impression that she was super assertive in the very the eleven to seventeen day period. Maybe as soon as we merged he became more assertive. But I didn't see that so to see her being more in the game and more strategizing. It's it's new to me. It's not and I think it's new to all of our players on our season as well. I think they would argue maybe Michelle. Yeah we when you hear Michelle. Talk about how that you know for her. She had that conversation with Boston Rob last week. Where the you know? This is hard for her because that she feels like that people looked at her win as controversial. That what what is it like when you hear Michelle talk about that. Is it very? Meta for you. It is but I've had. I don't want to the in too much trouble or give personal information but I I've had tons of conversations with Michelle especially when our season airing and even after the fact but where she was yes she was not pleased with what was being shown or what was going on or how she played in and she had shared things with me that may have implied or said directly that she was in playing hard in? Col- wrong as possibly Aubrey or Sydney or other players. So so from my point of view it does feel a little different even though we just had that discussion before where you can't really change but maybe this is just like coming out for her now. Maybe she had it in her the whole time because I was even saying that on the island and even in her audition video that I'd seen before I got on the show. It seemed like a totally different person who applied for the show in their addition video. And the person that that some of US saw on the beach and even what she described to me in conversations after the show but I feel like maybe it was always inside of her. She just needed to bring it out kind of like Sarah thing. Maybe maybe that's it And you just get you. Just get overwhelmed from the game. Do you feel like that. Ms Michelle's frustration is With the edit of survivor wrong that she feels like that it should have been shot portrayed differently e how do I say this? I think she would love to have been portrayed differently. I'll say this if you are a social player if you were player making moves on your relationships you better do a darn good job of explaining it in confessionals of what you are actively doing and how. You're trying to persuade people to like you persuade people to do what you want. My opinion is and it's not the truth. It's just my opinion. She did not do those things. In Col- wrong fashionable in confessional. You're maybe she wasn't even actively doing those things wrong. She was just being herself and she wasn't even actively thinking those things. Now that's not saying it's one hundred percent true one hundred percent of all the time I think. Now she's more aware of that based on our private conversations and from the past not currently and I think she went into this season saying Oh okay now I get what the show is now. I get how to talk because maybe I it sounds like what you're saying is that you know. Michelle is naturally charming charismatic person. But there wasn't necessarily like a layer of duplicity cities her built on top of that where she wasn't necessarily like trying to okay. I'm not trying to be like I detest this person and I'm trying to be likable to pull one over on them. She was just like bowl and was somebody who was very well received by the people that are out there because she was charismatic and likable. Yes that's what I'm trying to say is nice as possible. Yes and and that's that's a good thing I've said that before it. That's a good thing. Yeah it's just not a good thing for the show so therefore why would producer show that and it seems like that now in this season. Michelle is trying to say okay. Well now it took me you know this like processing all this time to realize that what my superpower is at this time out. I'm going to harness my superpower and use it for potentially evil caller. Sure that that's extreme. I hope she wouldn't say that. But yes no I think so. I think she has like perfect. Djeddai master in poverty where I definitely could see a scenario here where that poverty is going to be the person in this trial trial counsel. I definitely think that poverty is the boot and then so can OBI WAN Kanobi teach anikin enough year. Or if you want to say you don't want to say early going dark side year can can be one. Kanobi teach Luke skywalker enough to be able to really harness her force powers. I think I think that's a very good analogy. And maybe I would even say. Maybe she already knows it now but she had confessionals early on in the season. Saying we're like. Oh I don't even know what's going on. I'm scared I'm timid engine. That's how she s. She played for a little bit. I'll say in cove all but now it seems like now she's like okay. Wait Oh let's not do that again. Yeah so it's nice to see I'm happy I'm happy for her. 'cause 'cause I think this is who casting and who the producers wanted her to be when they saw her addition because probably you know. The first party isn't that different than the first version of Michelle. It's very good for islands poverty. Who then got who who then got to come back. But that imagine like somehow like poverty got to the end and and it's about one that's Billie Joe. You'll should've won. How dare you win the game? Poverty a completely different story for her then when she comes back. The second time in wins. Yeah Yeah I think you're right now. Can Michelle win? I don't I would argue. No because of the win the season no I would say no speed. This is only based on one single thing Which means it's not that intelligent to say but Jeremy's pulling in second chance yes saying saying they wanted somebody to represent the season as a whole and to really feel like. Hey So-and-so I don't WanNa throw anybody or that is by Lake Academy capper. Do we really want her to win. These are Jeremy's paraphrasing. What so but let me just tell you that. I have on good authority. That Stephen says all the time that the jury would love to give them Berg the win. Yeah Okay Okay. So again maybe. Then it's not intelligent to say then for me. I just don't know how many people would say let's give it to Michelle. Based on her previous win I would love to see them. Not a key. That into a factor. Yeah Right Yeah I. I don't know how much people are. GonNa look at the previous win in terms of like. I think that the people will look at the overall situation for the person of like I've said this all through the preseason. Do they have a family? What are they GONNA? Are they a good person? What are they gonNA use listening to Ryan? Who were they sitting next to what they do in this game? But as far as what they did in the first game. I think that's pretty far down the list of consideration jury even subconsciously. Okay Yeah I don't know I don't know but also let's talk about now. Here's Michelle in this very unique situation with when I'm trying to think of any other time where we've had it and it's been addressed on the show of hey like me and this person were an item and now we're not does that make me sound like a super guy. Say An item. Yeah I won't say they were kicking it. Yeah they were. They were kicking and punching it so hustle in Koran Otto. Yeah and she kicked everybody's but in colourants somebody make a mean of that and and Michelle like knocking over that puzzle and then say kicking it. Why are YOU BOSTON BOSTON? Everybody around somebody should do it. Then it'll it'll get a million tweets or seven at least we were just kicking it. Michelle just kicking it and then knock over that puzzle with a rate. You're right you're right. She should done that the other day. She can just following. I know she does. There's a lot of stands a lot of Michelle stands out there who thinks she was wrongfully not given colourfully not giving enough credit for her win and wrong could be the second team the less popular one. Coal wrongfully not giving enough credit. Okay yes fairplay today Jeez don't even get me started. This is nice podcast. You GotTa say Nice Things About People. You can't say bad things it sticks to you okay. So Michelle and Wendo though. I think it's funny. Okay because I've seen this love story before. Not UNSEE. Well no we have seen this love story before on survivor. Debbie no hope. Would you just let me finish sure? Second Percival Shadow to Debbie. I I have been Debbie. One of my shoes you're white whale. She's one of my white males for the podcast and so recently that I finally I sent her a DM's once again. And I recently saw like Debbie please. Your one of my dream podcast. I love you and then she wrote back to me and basically said Okay Great. Are you around this weekend and it was just like it was not a great weekend for me and I was like. Hey this weekend isn't good could you do it? Could you do next weekend? And then she's never responded back so that's like dating rob in the twenty-first role online dating. It's like Mr Chan's yeah the text you up and then it's like early tomorrow be moved onto something better. Something that's available that that winner at war podcast just full name alone will word play. We love word. Play at the ROB has a podcast studios all right. Tell me about Oh so yeah. Thanks for getting up on the Debbie. I wish de being. I could've kicked a come on anyway. So we've seen this story before okay. Michelle attracted to a tall dark handsome super-duper charming witty intelligent and those are the pros and cons unavailable. Okay and he thinks he thinks he's hot. Michelle myth occurs. He thinks he's odd shit. And then the guy who she's attracted to scolds Michelle so we've seen this before and it was a jerk on coal wrong who she was in love with as well and who scolded her and did all the same things. That Wendell's Wendell is doing so. We seen it and we see how this plays out. I think Wendell is in serious trouble in serious trouble. Okay because then that Michelle was one of the key cogs in getting you out of the game right. No she wasn't but let's let's be honest. She what since? She's jumped on that train but I did. But I didn't know her. I did piss off when when when it came to my name. I like walk away from her brow. Listen all right now. I'm annoyed. She I think she was carried for most of the season and colourants by Sydney towards the end. Anyway I know. I know I'm doing so much trouble we're talking about. We're talking about get dragged nick. I know I'M GONNA get in trouble all right all right so so no I'm serious. She won't she won't let me get. Outta word but seriously though when I had a moment with Shell with Michelle looking back where she where she was just out she just checked out and anything I did from then on now was like you know not great to her and she was going to vote me out. I think a moment where her and Wendell we're having a conversation in the beginning of like Wendell saying like hey like you expect me to come talk to you first thing first minute on this island where. He was stuttering. Yeah Michelle replies back with okay with the okay and the smile and then she said I don't care what the okay was just like okay. You're done I've had it. We're done anything else. You screw up. You're out later and I think that's going to happen because I've seen it before. I seen it firsthand. Yeah it's it's not a great setup there also where then also that her her best friend is there also of the really like maybe like fan the flames even more of like. I can't believe he did that. I can't believe it you know right right. It's not an ideal situation for for Wendell. No not at all but but there there's a lot of I saw the live nodoze podcast from the other night and you know. There's a lot of nicks messages going. On Michelle says. They dated briefly. The word briefly was thrown in an air. Yes you know. Kick it He broke my here. My aliens was thrilling. There be what we need to do first. Is that Michelle and Wendell at some point need to have A. Adt are to defy define this relationship. What what was it could be on the same page in confessional. I thank you might get two different answers right there. You know that's why you have to D- tr. I know this. Listen well that's the thing you know. Michelle she she wanted to be. My Girlfriend Ju. So I'm assuming you're saying this tongue in cheek joking again. I don't want to get in trouble. I feel like I'm going to get in trouble with anything I say so I'm trying to imagine with a lot too. I'M GONNA. I'm trying to mask it with a lot of jokes that that's typically what I do. Anyway I tried to tell the truth in jest but how do is. You can't talk about a relationship if you're not the pursuer You have to let that other person talk or or or if you're the person who didn't do anything wrong. I don't think you should talk about the relationship. Let the other person throw themselves under the bus. And if you had to bring receipts bring receipts you know so so if. Michelle has a difference opinions. And there's receipts bring them more let it let it rest. Yeah Okay I'm I'm Michelle is white. Well that's that's what I'm saying. You know she she likes. She likes survivor. Men You know like I described and I'm her. Why well you pick this. Podcast is sponsored by Dunkin. Hey why don't you take a sip on the bright side with the new Dunkin Macho Allante Try The refreshing combination of Sweden Macho. Green tea blended with creamy milk. You can enjoy it is hot or frozen. 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It was interesting. I thought it was more interesting to see. You will emporia conversation a interesting because it seemed like they had almost no no conversation at all since Cook Islands. Yeah yeah almost seem like they were reconnecting over wife. Liking poverty or at poverty had not even ever heard that like oh you. Your wife's name is Sophie. Oh Okay and she's a big fan of yours like it really seems like these are people that have not spoken since what two thousand what. What year I'm trying to think. Like two thousand fifteen years ago. Yes sure yeah. I thought it was interesting. Because despite you'll saying that now give away a little body language till I feel like you will was not in on the Commerce Asian sharing it to share it. He had his arms folded his arms crossed. Therefore I don't think he was as receptive to Are you maybe we had seen? So do you read into the body language of the survivor contestants? Because I feel like it's the kind of thing I could ever pick up on in real life but I do feel like that when I watched the show. I feel like that. I always looking for this kind of stuff. Yeah I mean. You can't confirm this so I could just obviously be lying like tie tie in my season. He like he found the idol and I asked him about any arms folded. I went back. And confessional said like now he has. The idol is arm sold. He doesn't WanNa tell me anything buying it again like. I think you should look for that in real life. Yeah in the game because in and Michelle looking back. I didn't register on my season when I was talking down to her when I was scolding her. Just like Wendell. She her body language. She had her arms folded and she was like Like now this is not an I did not recognize that in real life when we were at the water well On beach and now and now is the moment where I should have been like. Oh I made a mistake so yes I think body. Language is usually. Yeah so you feel like that. You will want nothing to do with poverty. This is not somebody that he wanted unconnected players not the poverty has a ton of connections in this. She does he would assume from other seasons. Tyson Rob Sandra. Even though her and Sandra how the little beef going on Plus she's a good player right. He would assume so he'd rather play with maybe not a great players. Yeah do you think that has anything to do with the fact that they weren't on the same page in The original season together. What do you mean that They do not have a relationship of working together that they have a relationship of being adversaries. Yeah and they. It doesn't seem like they know each other. Where like Robin Ethan? Were I think they were ever on the same tribe together but they at least have known each other for for a long time that I wonder if you have somebody who was your enemy from another season even if you've known them for ten years or whatever and it's something that maybe it's water under the bridge but then it's like you're back out there. I don't know if I could work with this person who that be for you in either Amazon or all stars. Well I don't know I feel like that If the all stars example like if I if I was out there with robber an amber like the people that voted against me in that game. Yeah Gimme a robbery number. Yeah I mean. That's a tough example. Because Boston rob plays like such a speed immune to say I was on the tribe with amber. Like I feel like that. Okay here's somebody that I've known for a long time. I don't think I would have any sort of like reservations about trusting amber that. She's somebody that I've known for a long time with. They say like because it's complicated because then her husband's on the other tribe but if like rob wasn't even out there and I would also like And the Specific Boston rob example. Like I wouldn't be trying to get Boston. Rob voted out of this season. People that I would say that he's a shield would keep him around. Yeah I would. I would want to do the Jeremy Tony. Things for sure and I feel like that. What was so interesting about the strategy that that people like Jeremy and and others were interested in was okay if we completely take away all of Boston Rob's power but keep him in the game. What what can he do? We saw this week. He was very effective without his loyal soldiers. Right right and he's just going to annoy people so that that's that's no. I'm serious that that's that's always my thing where it's like all right if he if Boston rob is getting on your nerves you for people. Chances are he's GonNa get on everybody else's and earners and why not just keep them there right now created? He could do damage because he's a good player in some respects right so I get it. But what were you gonNa say I feel like this? I WANNA say it came up on one of our patron calls about the idea of you know could Boston rob potentially be jury vote in this season of that. He somebody that the longer. He's GonNa keep him out there he's going to get on everybody's nerves especially when he's out of power trying to force his will on everybody that's out there and then by the time the day thirty nine. Maybe people would be sick of him well. Is this all stars? Then yeah exactly. Yeah Yeah so. I mean he's GonNa be you know run into the ground that's going to be there but if he's just happens to be there at the end with people that are necessarily people that are palatable to vote for that he might be somebody who could be like a Russell on day thirty nine. Yeah I agree with that. But now that's done with so we don't well until he comes back in potentially see we'll see but I think that him going to the edge of extinction and then going going away. I feel like that's his better shot to get to the end. Yeah I know with extinction hate the edge of extinction. You're right I'm not a purist. I like when they take swings. I Li- do like when they take shots. I think I'm going to make Wigley annoyed. I think they can tweak extinction still. There's still opportunity to tweak it but I don't like it in turn for and I don't WanNa see anything either. I anything. No I mean I think there is a way to the story by hiding what's going on. Or what's a majority of going on edge of extinction? How can you tell a story by not showing the story because the story is not as edge of extinction stories in the game so I would view people who voted out in this current form of edge of extinction? And the Fire Tokens makes it difficult. But people who voted out and get sent to edge are my opinion a neidl their immunity. Is there an advantage they are? They're human beings but they are this object now. Okay when they come back in the game then they start up the story again. We're not watching. You know idols. Being built or advantage is being created once they come back in the game all of a sudden they're an advantage or a new alliance a new person or a disadvantage for a new person or a new alliance that brings them in so so. I don't think they're story has anything to do with edge. It's once they come back into the game now they can get that story again and they can restart it there So why show it on? Edge don't even show it. Their story starts again when they come comeback. Wasn't that Chris Underwood. Though well they showed Christo but still doing Michelle any of it. Don't show ream. Don't show any of it. Don't Indian this form in this form was Chris Underwood. Yeah and that's why it's Kinda sucks. He would've been better if we would've seen let's have Chris Underwood. I personally think more controversy the better on occasion. Yeah Yeah sorry sorry sorry. Sorry Sorry. Wait time out time out of time. Out Time out I think a bunch of Malarkey time out. I think good controversial teasing car. I don't know how to phrase this on ever heard off on okay. The controversy controversy of Michelle and Audrey and the controversy of Chris Underwood like I think. Producers should lean into that type of controversy for. Can you feel like that like the Michelle Aubrey. That was that was the good kind of heat. Yeah Yeah Yeah I think they should play a more. I think we don't need them all he babies. You set me up again. You always do that like I think. They could have showed like tie or Aubrey or Sydney. Even being better and then being like. Oh my God. Michelle Watch even even more like a Natalie White Russell. Hand situation even more. But anyway I digress. So That's interesting. I feel like that people talking about the show debating who should have won. I think that there is merit to that. I feel like that you know it gets alternate while once in a while ugly on the social media because Dan. It's not like a good spirited debate but I do feel like that Diamond Wendell. I think was a good example. Sure back to ugly. But like I'm a believer of in this might sit sort of take but it's not to me I think it's good when people quit the game on occasion every one. It's good when people quitting. I enjoy when people every two three four seasons again. Same thing with his Co. controversial winner or whatever every so often somebody quits the game because it proves shows it showcase how difficult the game can be And so I think on occasion that is healthy for the game and the feedback and the discussion and the debate about survivor. I do believe that to be true at. It's okay for people to quit now. You don't want that every season because that'll be boring just like you don't want a million idols season because it's just like all right we got it's flat On occasion you want these different things that come in even if they're quote unquote bad things controversial things. Yeah I don't care if people quit whatever I feel the same way but at least show something that the game is still difficult people and you remind you of that. I would say yeah so. Everybody raises the sail on the edge of extinction. Yeah you don't care I don't care but I do think it's a good thing. Yeah I I think it would be the worst possible thing. If all the winner stay on edge of extinction. Why because it's now a story if one of them quits okay. God they just quit for two million dollars. They are a winner. They just gave up yeah. That's an interesting story and how you're going to tell it. Oh Yeah of course doug two million dollars so google. Just GimMe Gimme. I just like a little controversy. That's good it's healthy. Every you know few seasons how would you do on the edge of extinction? I would imagine you're the mayor of Ponderosa. Everybody loved me. Yes yes how would you fair as the mayor of edge of extinction awesome? I mean come on I I be loved by all I would be because it's not the game anymore. So you're just hanging out and I think that's what approach the actual game you have to approach it as like it's not really game is not really a competition at least from my angle. But that part of survivor I feel like that you like the strategy but did you like just hanging out with everybody. No of course not but I do think that's how my personality has to play because I love competition I love the strategy and I- overplayed my hand and a lot of people do do that and so what do you mean about. Your type has do not enjoy other people's physical company. No I'm saying yeah half do I have to like pretend. It's not a game because if because if I if I go in I'm a little too competitive. Maybe and that's not like me patting myself to complement until it's too much it's overbearing. It's like not fun to beat around right so so you have to act like you enjoy other people's company but you really enjoy no no no no but you understand what you're saying. I think you just have to water down. If you're if you're disgustingly gross competitive person. Does that make sense? I'm trying to make your negative truly is negative to be over competitive and to be over strategizing because just like Adam in the beginning like people are like Ri like we see you playing both sides like stop it and if you just like just think about Michelle if you just get along with people you're good like don't you want the money thing really But edge of extinction. No I think I would do find it would be boring. Sure we'll see what Tyson does though. We saw the preview. Didn't we that? He's got some Iki south on up to mischief. It looks like he's he's entertaining on south so he entertains us at least nick. What else are you ultra competitive at any thing? That's competitive like I love. I love game night. Game Lamb gain. No not not that. I'd like poker. No no no Cherie or hold on let me look Oh codenames big Santa Codename scrabble big Fan of scrabble code game and I guess those are board games. But it's more like looking like banana grams. Love me some banana grams on any anything. It's it's not. It's not attractive. It's not attractive trait. I'll it'd be the first admit Okay would you beach good on Jim Extinction because before. I don't think I would quit. I don't think I would raise the sale. I think it would be very boring. I'll tell you what I hated being Ponderosa and I hated being on the pre jury trip so that with Lane I think I would like the edge of extinction more because I feel like. Hey I'm still on the show like I don't think I'd have any like I. I don't think I would be having a chance to get back in the game but I feel like at least I'm still on TV. Yeah I know okay fine. Why did see you speak to probes out the red carpet and I thought that was great. I mean that was just the way you finessed. It was beautiful. I thought it was very funny when he scolded you for not liking me. I have the utmost respect for for Jeff. I think that I sort of just get like painted with a broad brush of like everybody online that that's somehow like I'm your voice online right instead to jeff was about What do you think about bringing the edge person back earlier? And he's th they like having it at the end of the season and the last because that way they're going to pay off the Ark of the season or the theme of the season but my idea was if you brought somebody back at the merge just bring one person back and bring them back at the merge with. Do you think anybody would mind? I would think less people would mind would still be annoyed but I think maybe it's our friend Josh. Wigley but I think that it would be. It would be fine. I think that people would embrace the concept and then people would say like. Oh this was good and then somebody came back. It's just that when you have all these people they're gonNA fourteen people on the edge of extinction. Somebody's coming back at the final. Six GonNa Throw Everything Haywire. Yeah I just think there's more tweaked you can do to it than that I think. Certainly yeah there's just so much more. I think you guy I like that at least doing like these scavenger hunts granted. I don't WanNa see him but I think that they're trying times. I do like fire tokens but only if they weren't part of extinction. I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's a smart to do. I think it was a poor implementation of it. I'm glad they tried it moving forward. So what what part of it is in fair that you send the fire tokens to the edge of extinction or the person. We'll just just just this bartering back and forth like Oh yeah I can give Jeremy an idol or and he's gotTa give me one fire. It's like no just stop. Just keep it simple stupid like. Just keep the fire tokens in the game. Let them barter themselves. Once you get voted out maybe you don't even bequeath them you just you. Just have these tokens. And you're fine and I'm almost over the whole scavenger hunt of finding idols. And maybe fire tokens is just the way to go with getting idols and receiving aisles. Maybe you're earning fire token somehow someway with a log. Challenge is actually in the game like I thought it would have been so cool to see a bow tribes. I mean granted. They might not have the landscape for it on their islands. But doing this would challenge for Fire Tokens. Instead of the people on edge of extinction. It would be so fascinating to see. The people gain actually doing it when they're boorda their minds just building shelter or just looking for food on a non challenged that's Intel. It'd be interesting. This is interesting because you have somebody. That's like hey guys we challenge tomorrow. Let's not start energy on doing this. It's like yeah but I could get a fire token if I if I go up and down the thing it's like yeah but you're using all your energy and we need you for the challenge. Tomorrow that is a really good one. Yeah that's what I'm saying. I think they can just blend the two that they can blend some things here and even edge of extinction I would love to see not them split up people individually but maybe make tribes edge of extinction. I think there's a lot to play with. Maybe this is like it's like more than you've seen the Big Brother House but okay how about this. There's some sort of like a like a basically like a survivor Peleton or an elliptical machine. You've gotTA basically to release released the fire you've got to go. Ooh Twenty miles twenty miles per. There's one for each person and so when you hit your thing the flag goes up and then or maybe for each one person and say like somebody because somebody could do it. You know three times. Serve and get the route. Three fire tokens well. You just reminded me of wailers favorite show lost or one of his favorite shows. The hats right. You're just keep us in his buy in for this outcome or that you do or you don't know you're going to get. I think that's a great point. Yes yeah or maybe they are going to do that. I think they are more likely to do that since Jeff said they're putting edge on hiatus. Okay all right. Let's talk about the other tribe that we didn't talk about Jeremy Jeremy Jeremy Try the fan. Yep the what is that. They are to call the new tribes in the red tribe. Yeah I'm also say that. I watched the episode again. And someone who to call you. See Jeremy and denise like wow man this sheltered like oh Wendell did it. Wendell in the first episode was like I'm not GonNa make any furniture this time. I'm not GonNa you know because I don't want to be building a shelter. I want to be building relationships. This season meanwhile that we cut to the reaction of like Wendell and Nick and you'll checking out the shelter at Sela. I had WHO HAS BOSTON ROB and they're like well. This shelters kind of a fixer upper. What Day is it in the game? What are they twelve that we have You know yeah. Probably last season last season on the island the idols. Somehow Boston rob by himself built a two story. Buzz around with the help of Sandra built a two story mansion and in twelve days with entire tribe. This was what he came up with. Well well I think I think the rumor is. He got very nice tools law. It's a craftsman. Never blames his tools for great tools out there on the actual tribe. Maybe Boston rob just like us. All his energy up on basically. This was like the lodge challenge of building houses. That Boston rob just left it. All on the field is thirty. Nine season forty with nothing in the tank. Well I mean yeah true if you build a mansion. Do you really want to build another one right after that? I don't know especially if you don't have all the nails all the good nails because you don't get nails on the actual island nails and hammers make that shelter. That's a good point. All builds furniture always speaking of wicks. Rob Do yeah. He bills out says all right. Fine Forget it. Forget it alright. He's done he's over he's over. He's playing a game. No there actually was a good scene. Where obviously they did this on purpose. It looked like When Wendell and Michelle? Yeah Nick they were all looking at the shelter and Michelle and Wendell having conversation. Michelle said specifically. Obviously we need to put a little of work and then wound up as needs a little. Tlc Michelle says a lot of TLC A lot and the Michelle says I got an windows. I got to roll up my sleeve. My sleeves up so I thought this was like a an analogy or a description of their actual relationship more serious or relationship needed. Tlc Relation Media Tlc. Wendell needed to me on TLC. Machel's yes fiance. Maybe you Michelle wants him to move a little quicker because when does any moves slowly but You know what I'm serious. I think he was showing about their relationship for real. Yeah okay all right into niece Just said you're moving on up gentler and ease the Jeffersons. Jeremy Love you like that Jerem. Jeremy's a funny dude and you said that your big Germy Fan. Where where does that come from? I think he's just got a sense of humor. I'm attracted to. He's he seems like a human being and he just like can riff author. What is going on and I do think that might be some foreshadowing as well with Jeremy. Denisov moved neon up not only in the shelter in the camp life but also maybe in the game. I feel like One of the things that you were talking about earlier was how competitive you are. I feel like that Jeremy is somebody who has that same trae. Did you feel like you see that in him? He and that's probably why I like them. Because I'm just liking myself. Yeah I think geremia probably cut from the some of the same cloth. I would argue. Yeah okay his instagram's really funny when his kids half eat the food and then put it back. Your is your coal do that so I mean my journey has. He has two boys that are around the same age as as as as my kids. He has two daughters. That are that are older and I think he. He does a hilarious thing the on instagram and facebook. Where he'll he'll post like it's it's very cathartic for all the dads out there like he'll he'll bring out and bites seven bags of the same that are all open and then just the bottom left and I and I feel that frustration. My Wife. The same thing famously. Hates the bottoms of things. So noble there will be like any any food or drink will never be finished. It'll just like live in the refrigerator forever with like the the final one eighth left until I come in and throw it out and so yeah. Jeremy's doing largest It's funny it's funny doing work for all the dads out there but Jeremy. No Dad is classified as a Hyena to Tony. Yo He's not only means that twenty might describing denise but I think he talked about the Maybe he was basically trying to explain the game that we saw last week. Where Tony Talk to Tyson? Enticing said Hey Tony like all the threats stick together and it seemed like it's something did. Click for Tony. He he went around. He tried to save Tyson. It was too late to save Tyson but he did. Try to work on Sandra and talk about this. This light. There's Lions Hyenas in this game and the Hyenas are going to take out the lions now are the is this a lion king reference. Oh yeah are the hyenas. The natural enemies of the lions are pretty onion the lion king. But they're pretty scary too but yeah he's got young kids as an lion king. I like it. Listen symbol everything that the land purchases hours except for what is beyond the light that is what is the land of the Hyenas. They will come and get us stay. Do Not Cross do not go to pass the light touches Simba. Wasn't there an elephant graveyard to is that edge of extinction. I remember the video game. I used to play Lion King. That's where that's where Scott sees the elephant graveyard and you looking like puddle. At the end I think and then scarface comes up in the sky. Shoutout Tony My lion. King Sega Genesis people out there to to Niche Tunisia. Td R- Rickenbacker we get that. Anyway Kim was yes. Tony Kim was just like. Oh Yeah Yeah. Great Idea Tony Line. Yeah Yeah Okay okay. Good came as great. She's just like all right. I'll placate you. You know but here I think that hyenas lions analogies and interesting one okay my experiences and sharing more than usual. But yes you are my. I don't know I I I guess I will not. I feel like a majority of survivor seasons. It's not necessarily hyenas and lions. It's people who are I don't want to be a negative word who are more cautious who are more Whenever I want a more positive word than cautious but anyway I don't WanNa know consider knots. That's more negative. Ju just more Leery more. Leery have a data averse yet. More risk adverse but again that's negative anyway And it's people who are less we're leery or who are less Who are more confident in their game? Where the strategies and I feel like more than pilots. You're saying but I would say it's more feelings. I would say it's more of emotions I would say it's more of More nervous people the more see again. I'M GONNA use negative words. The more scared people I think there's a majority of scared. People nervous people than there are more competent people and the more nervous and scared people band together more often than not safety in numbers. Yeah and I would just argue that. There's more of those in the game of survivor. Then there is the latter sense. Yeah I think that makes sense so gortat nicely. So there's people that they WANNA stay safe. They wanted they wanted to be in a group. They WANNA THEY WANNA feel safe and then you have certain players who come along like Boston rob or Russell. Hands who can rattle the cage. A little bit make everybody very jumpy and skittish and maybe make move. That aren't in their best interest. I don't think that's too crazy. What you're saying. Yeah so I would argue that. What it is what. Tony is describing. The 'cause he's describing as the lesser players the hyenas and the lions are the big targets in the better players. I wouldn't phrase it as that because I don't think that's necessarily true. It's more based on emotions. Yeah Okay do you think Kim is going to go with? Tony's lions or go with Denise Hyenas. I think Kim is GonNa go is famous for telling people what animals they look like. That is true. That is true. I think she'll go with Jeremy Denise. Yup Don't forget that Jeremy was part of the poker alliance with Kim. So maybe that's a self-fulfilling prophecy right. And I don't think again. I don't think Kim Views Denise Jeremy as a lesser than so that's also in my mind like I think they're all on the same plane. I think that Kim doesn't WanNa work with Sandra. I think that Kim is yes. Terrified of Sandra does not feel good about working with Sandra going forward. I think that she probably feels very good about having a working relationship with Jeremy and denise but do you think that the work that you all did early on about poker alliance. Do you think that that gives Kim any reservation of okay? If I go with you'll this poker alliance thing is GonNa Follow me whereas that I kinda had shaken it Tyson's not around amherst now rob's not around that for you to go and work with the one remaining person from poker alliance. Is that going to be something? That's going to continue to follow me. What I've almost completely shook that label. I don't think it will bother because it's a. It's a little unfair. Allegedly had a pre-game alliance with Nick and and so it's like come on. You have your person. Why can't Kim potentially have heard in Jeremy so I would hope that it doesn't hurt her? I don't think it will either. Okay Oh this was an interesting scene. Where Kim stabbed? And he'll yeah and she said she didn't Tony. How did you do that? And then she stabbed them and she got him and so I think that's a little foreshadowing as well where Kim is. GonNa stab somebody in the back. Maybe it's Tony Maybe it's Tony's Alliance and that she did it and Tony's going to be surprised like Oh blindsided that's my guy. Okay all right. Nick brings some questions from the listeners of the podcast. Are you up for that? I hope they're all about Michelle so I can dig myself a bigger grave all right. Well you tweeted earlier this week much to me shits I am not the axe. She shares a beach with on the next episode of survivor and then. Michelle responded with a Gif of herself rolling her arts. She's lying. Listen If i San Michele a you up text now I'd say come on folks clean this up clean this up because let me just tell you this. I don't think this is going to be received. Well really really. We're not going to be all in on the joke. Fine fine so you're saying it's a job. Let's say it's a joke? Glitz definitely saying it's a joke because yeah you're right. I don't WANNA get murdered. But you know she sh- no she would not like for me to be on that island. You are right. She definitely would rather not see me a she one. Are you friends Michelle now? We can talk here in there. Yeah I'm a little distant In the relationship. Kinda like Wendell I suppose in almost every relationship and that's true so it's nothing against Michelle definitely not I guess Michelle but I think she would say you know back to the old season back to the first season. You Know Not News. East nudist came around. You know. Yeah you're old season who it is yeah old season bring it back. Nikki. Boy Let me see again. Let's see if this can work out. Why didn't work out? You COULDA had half of my million bucks. Should've thought through. She three million. She could have three million dollars and we could be married by now. Have Robin Ambler Situation? Yeah boy did I mess this up. Okay Edward Morris wants to know. Was your high school crush poverty. Did you have a on any survivors? So no because I will tell you I probably. It probably would have been poverty. Mice survivor fine. You you already said that. Does the Sopranos came out when you were in eighth grade so going for your doctor. It by the time Christian poverty so so I didn't watch survivor until tied in didn't imply until two thousand and eleven or twelve so I was a little late in the game. Alexis Maxwell was my crush so that that's a little late. Yeah wait my game okay. Yeah but but then I watched every season so we'll never know crush early on because I didn't watch it. Yeah Yeah I was a late. Bloomer late bloomer. Okay you have a crush watching the show so I did have a crush on colleen haskell that was survivor crush but I think many people I think were pushing share share. That feeling is very popular. Jen Line right right. And then I think I had a saviour crush on my season. Also oh wait a minute who well. I Ne- Oh sorry. Sorry I've seen it all starts not really have not really supposed to. My wife doesn't like to talk about this anymore. Oh so we're subject. Yeah Yeah I think probably got reported back to Heidi so that in terms of Mike conversing with Heidi I think I did. It was never came out and Heidi was very apt to try to take advantage of. You know try to manipulate the situation to the the best of her ability. Which I've found. Oh very very frightening. Oh that's that's a difficult thing to maneuver. Yeah Yeah like it was not. It was never lost on me. Okay like this is what this is. What's happening right now? Okay so then you got over it pretty quickly then. Yeah I mean was to get over just a little crush. Yeah yeah this is. This is a woman that does not look like any of the women that attended Oswego State University with me. They're not as much in love with peanut. Butter is Heidi okay. Yeah I believe it all right Michael Butler. Junior wants to know who needs some serious life. Coaching this season neck. Oh let's see who's doing well. Life Coaching Yeah counterpart in upright now. She's traveling the world about this. No no no no. I'm just kidding on. No NO NO I. I'm more so writing right now. I just finished sixty pages the other day so we got to write. But no for your multi talented guy. I know you've done you do a lot of different things. What can I say? It's a supernatural pilot. And I finished but I gotta rewrite. I just rewrote the first thirty but anyway life coaching Who's doing poorly emotionally or in life in the game people on Edge? I guess technically but Atta maybe maybe Adam. Adam actually had some interesting scenes where he's been wandering around and maybe he's doing that on purpose but he looks a little lost at times and again that might be strategy but rob instead. It looks like you're dying out here man and then like eventually went over to rob so I'll say Adam okay. No he doesn't need it. Okay all right so this is a question from the minute relationship relationship coach Wendell Michelle. They need it. What am I talking about? Michelle a life coach with Wendell. Okay all right. Let's see like Anymore Tommy Guam could rob of Split. The fire tokens between two people. Ooh Good question. I have no idea I would think so. You think so I think so. I think it's like a roulette wheel right you can put 'em. GonNa put two Tokens on Pov GonNa put a token on atom. You COULD SPLIT IT UP. But now here's my question. Can she do anything with them right now? No Right. She can't go to Jaffer. Producers. I've always tokens Washington vantage in the challenge. Which I think would not be a bad play in the the team that tribal town. Yeah because look. Here's the thing. If that tribe goes the tribal council poverties voted out. Or do you think that Michelle will be more likely to forget voted up? Because I'm assuming that because Wendell has the connection with her that Michelle have a pre game lines too. So it's not gonNA be Michelle. Yeah so much about everybody's alliance at the pre-game stuff. I read it all Gordon homes on its own. Ross mom yeah why. How did they know each other? I don't know I guess they've been hanging out. You know how they frat these survivors. Yeah so all right so you feel like that. Michelle is better connected than than poverty is. Yeah for sure. Yeah I only see. Maybe the three guys like doing something cillian splitting up. But I don't even think that'll happen. So yeah I think you're right poverty so okay so she can just ask for a tribal immunity advantage. Okay I mean sure but I don't think she'll do it yeah. I don't think she will either but I feel like that's the only way out to ensure that she gets to the merge will books. I just think if Michelle talks to you. They're Wendell or neck. Yeah and they're they convince her a everything's okay don't worry about it and then poverty talks you'll and she's like all right you will is on our side too. It's like all right. Maybe they'll just be convinced otherwise. Nick I want you to call your shot on something. Okay if that tribe to a tribal council that goes and they're gonNA throw it out poverty. We'll Michelle vote against poverty. Or will she stand her ground? Do what poverty does okay. That's a great question based on my past experiences. Now Okay if Michelle knows where the votes are going the old Michelle would vote out poverty. But what do you think that you think that this new were? Michelle would not change that much or she just manner. Was She just nine. I would argue a better player. Would trying get if you truly trust poverty? If you're a Michelle a decent player would try and flip one of the guys and get under saying though I'm just saying that's what a player who would want to assess themselves would do now if Michelle loses poverty. I do think it's better for her sense because now the guys might want to team up against each other I don't here's the thing. I don't think it'll be her plan. I don't think it'll be her idea so therefore I think she'll just go with it. Yeah I mean going back to Koran when Julia Sokolowski Guide voted out machine with her. She got on board. Yeah and and again. It wasn't even a again okay. Fine I'll just do it because you're GonNa make fun of me anyway. But she just went along with it and it wasn't in our best interest. Same thing when she voted me out. I was going to be in trouble because she was always closer with Julia. And it wasn't in her best interest of meow because she still had the most power in the whole entire game and so she just hanging it over to the brains and then when she voted out Julius she had to vote out Julia so again she had no power or no agency so I think she'll do the same thing I guess she hasn't changed that much my mind or I'm not giving enough credit. Probably the latter right. Yeah probably probably letter global. We'll call your shot. What are you doing? I think that she would vote against poverty just based on at first. I thought she you know she would end up staying loyal to poverty but that I remember the whole thing with Julia so I think that she wouldn't have nick or window. We'll tell her yeah. I think they'll ultimately I don't think they'll blindside her. I think that Michelle will no chill lost but I think I think that's still end up voting against poverty if they go to the tribal council. Yeah and see like I don't know I guess I would just love to see her in poverty. Come together and her tell poverty poverty. How do we switch and that happens? Only I will be so stoked and so happy and ruining from my couch so I hope that. Call the next shot. Then we're we're in agreement. Okay poverty is in the most trouble if the if the new blue tribe if the new satellite goes to tribal. Hey if the new dicara tribe goes to tribal council with okay. What's happening there? It's Jeremy Denise Kim Tony Sandra that's who it is right. Oh Man I think Kim is the swing vote so I think Kim how Sandra because we just discussed by. Here's this here's where things get very complicated. Sandra has an idle because it works for three tribal councils engines has one more trial counsel for horizon. Okay now it's going to happen. So then Tony and Sandra are voting for G. You hear me. Jeremy has the safety without power advantage. Jeez Louise always keep track of this. I know it's in the lower third but still a shoot against an east. I don't know my God. Well then I guess Johnny goes home and Tony. I ironically Tony Daly birds without an advantage in this tribe. That was a setup again but worried. This could be advantage getting. This is a serene moment. This is a trap that was laid out in the here. Comes the her Mu Faucet Tony? He's moved foss. No this is terrible. Lion King Worse. Oh my goodness that could be true from sorry man all right. Let's do some other questions How about Tara once says anyone on this season hotter than the Mayo Jar like looks wise. Not Temperature wise right now nick. Oh temperature-wise well you don't want hotmail your bad spoiled isn't it? I think yeah. It's not great as anybody harder. Darn it I was GONNA do joke but yea no no. I don't think there is anybody hotter. Okay no there there. Aren't that many. Oh you'll you'll attract dude. Yeah he is okay. All right. Theresa Theresa Johnson says. Do you think that rob believed Sarah that Tyson through ambers name out there I would think rob was savvy enough to realize. She was lying even though Tyson did end up having to go with the majority. Do you think that rob believed Sarah's retelling of the events I mean I don't know probably I'd because I don't think so because I think if you really believed it. I think that he would have had a little bigger reaction to his friend leading the charge devote his wife because then he asked to like okay then the Tyson voted unanimously. Yeah so it's like well. Why did so much power in the previous out? Yeah Okay but he didn't react huge to amber getting voted out At least what we were shown right but I think he would have been more mad to know if Tyson was. The leader elect situation. You're saying or something like that or a potential X. situation situation but if if Tyson's is friend to hear that like oh the Tyson's target coming into the game with my wife. What like yeah so weird and then we Orient. I saw on the pre game press. WanNa bring it up. They didn't talk beforehand. Allegedly so right so even talk that rob would find that unusual that Tyson. Who was a friend of his like led the unanimous blindside of his wife. Yeah Yeah you're right you're right. I don't think he did either. I don't think I don't think so. Okay Nick could you tell me about that? I got a text message from our mutual friend. Josh Wake Layer I e retold the story about how you inadvertently sent him a wrong taxed news new season. Who Does what. He sent you a message about that. Yes yes what he say. What did he send me a? Y'All look what happened between Mayo and yes the infused about what you were talking about with him. Because I see what he's doing I get it I get it. I'll play into it short so I was home. I was writing away and I had to go. 'cause my girlfriend's dad could not take out his two dogs and his cat to go to the bathroom. Because you stuck at work or whatever and so I went over there and it's like you know five minute drive or whatever and I let him out and then I was supposed to take. I was texting back the dad but I was actually texting back. Wigley and the like scooter was outside. Got Stuck outside in the rain. He went back in and then waylon. I had a huge discussion about his scooter. A dog named accounting. Yeah I still see where we're going with this and that's why it's a cat and scooters a cat yes okay then what happened with the sandwich then the sandwich. What's Sandwich Bet did you? Did you text him? Don't need my sandwich in the fridge. Oh he texted me because he was acting as though we were roommates or like living together because because I was updating him on like what I did at the house he was like he was playing along like. Stop like like. I texted the wrong person. You're not the right person who's supposed to be have this conversation with now. Go and he just kept piling on because he thought he was so funny. Okay live with regular I would never would live with Tyler y Gertie either I wanted to live with. Josh will be good room. I think he'd be very conscientious always singing and he's always making so much noise. I'm not a cat guy. Guy Allergies not a cat or a dog. I taking my grave even more blacks. Are you a dog? I had podcast. You know what I. I love animals so much that I just feel like. It's not I'm not a good enough owner to them because I don't have the time to care. That's exactly how I feel. Well speaking of winkler though if I am on the upcoming wiggle room I do not WanNa had if I'm potentially on there as a featured guest but I'm just saying that now okay all right. Tom Palmer was so. Where's the line between kicking it and ex boyfriend and girlfriend? Oh Yeah I. I don't know I mean window. I wrote down all these things that went on. Michelle said Yeah. Tell them. Wendell said Ikwo people that might have hung out together in reference to him and Michelle that might have hung out together and then he said later quote unquote. We all know this. Michelle kicked it. And then he said again missed one. I kicked it Yeah but I think he michelle. I'm pretty sure I watched a bunch of must've been infuriated. Yeah and then he said even fish back seem Fischbach for sure. But but but yeah. What a confusing relationship. I don't know we don't have our finger on it. We don't have the pulse. They weren't on the same page obviously and they don't seem to be on the same page. Now it does seem like everything is small thing. I think Wendell and I think Michelle like in all seriousness. I think they're really nice. People mature people and I think everything's good. Are you rooting for these two? To work out their differences. No because I want Michelle. Debbie go there still what she wants. I had to give her the give the woman what she wants. Rob She's in she's still has. What does the word unrequited love? Is that the way she still loves me. All right anything else. You WanNa say about this season. Oh speaking of which of window. I'm not going on the Michelle thing. But he did say he specifically said this is the season. The theme of the season is past relationships. I thought that was really important. Yes what what about it? I just think maybe. That's the deciding factor in a lot of things of which way the seasons go whether had past relationships. And it's a good thing or whether you don't aspiration ship thing it's not what you know. It's who you know. Yeah Yeah I agree with that. For sure Yeah oh I did want to say I met at the survivor from your party. Some want off people loved it. Yeah I met Corey be I make Karen from Canada Graham from the Bay and the side is funny moment right. I Yeah I was talking there off. I was a fan boy and I told Graham from the bag. Oh Man I love your name Graham from the Bay and he just looked at me like and this is my perception is of course is not true because grams. Nice Guy but he looked at me like you're an idiot. It's my name. It's where I'm like. It's not that creative. Like he didn't say anything. I just knew just knew in my head. He's like you're a moron. Like I just put my name and where I live together and Karen is the same situation. Only little embarrassing. But he's he was really nice he didn't bring it up but I know that what I know. That was inside his head. Yeah Oh and then another guy another guy from New York. He's not a Wando of guy but he was with his wife and he's like. Oh Yeah my daughter. She's like an East Coast thing. Julie Premier whatever was when we're taking photos survivors acuity. Take a photo. He was like ribbon me. He's real cool. I liked him. He's got the East Coast Banter so whatever we do a selfie and then and then hands me the camera again because I think I took this with his camera with his phone and and he's like Oh you take a picture you know me and my wife and I was like and he goes stand in front of the thing. What's the thing with? Rob Has a podcast. Repeat yes so. I'm like in the middle. I'm like wait. Does he want me to have a selfie again with him and his wife now or so I ask them. I'm like do you want like me like to come in this wise. Listen you're not that great buddy. You just want a picture with my wife. Okay and I was just like Oh my God. It's so embarrassing. I didn't mean it that way but he was playing with right. Really Make Fun of me at these things just you know. I think that you're a good sport very approachable like I I wait hold on. I'll tell another story of me being an idiot being told I was in idiot. A woman At the Braille one came up to me about whatever I tweeted about the whole psychologist thing. I know we don't want to bring it up but the season thirty nine. Yeah Yeah and and because you put it on the podcast she was like Oh and like I heard about like what you said on twitter and I was so shocked I had no idea would call. I was like are you calling me an immediate to my face or you like dissing right now but she was really sweet as well at the same time. I walked away from the conversation. I was like conversation I was like. Oh she thinks I'm dumb. Don't okay all right I got it. Did you feel like that your suggestion that you would made about season thirty nine that you felt like that there should be some sort of like a third party representative there to make the call on these gray area issues where somebody from production nor somebody from the cast that it'll be third party that makes the call on any sort of inappropriate touching situation that they ended up using a suggestion? That was basically what you had suggested you to be serious now. I sure did yeah. I'm not type person. Take credit but he probably. Maybe I don't know I wasn't given credit. I mean it's not like it's an original idea so I'm sure they came with it on their own. I don't know I don't know the answer that I haven't been told that was but it but it's nice to see that. They did do that and they were thinking along the same lines. I did ask. I'll drop this. What this sort of the lines i. This is not. It's not. It wasn't my idea but I did suggest a four captain season of Kelly Wentworth. Joe Anglin Malcolm Freberg and Sirri when they were discussing that season four captains okay so so you pitch the idea for the WHO should be. I sent an email and I just said like hey but again though it was a different variation I sent. Hey four captains easily four captains and I put. I didn't put all new players. I put second chance players as the pitch because I described it as like. Oh Yeah it's broken dreams like they show how tough it is to win the game while Blah Blah and so but they did edge of extinction. I wasn't thinking that so so you know who knows who knows what you're full of the universe right. Do you have any other unused ideas that you could share with us? No because no okay all right. You're you're you're better at the brainstorming stuff. True not true. I want another think-tank between you and Stephen I love you put out too many bad ideas. I think that that was the problem. I can ideas familiar for word editor before we start throwing out a million ideas but they've taken ideas from you before a by. I think too many ideas and survivor. I think we need a stink tank of like from survivor in us. Keep it simple stupid that I think the more streamlined. They make it the more resonates with people. We're we're we're simpatico on the same page. Yeah deep and simple. That's what they need to do. Just one idea and it really connects with people. Kiss simple idea that connects with people. That's what they need to do. But Nick so there's so much so many things are being shut down right now. What are you going to be keeping yourself busy with now? Is this like the writing? I just have to write and I get to stay in my apartment and personal training still a little bit but I think that will quiet down for sure because you know people are nervous and people are potentially losing work in their job. So they're not going to want to spend money. Yeah it's a really scary time I would say. Don't you think certainly ever very scared locked down right now. So Luckily we have a nice distraction with this Survivor season to get to talk about. Yeah yeah you gotTa keep it as light as you can in life? We're all in this together. I would say you know everybody's in a lot of similar situation so as long as you can remember that we'd say that that's been one of the nicer things that I've been thinking about these last couple of days where it does really feel like that you know there are lots of examples of the way that people are coming together to be able to fight this that everybody is in this thing together and so we're really relying on this time around like after being you were still in New Jersey during nine eleven right. Yes I was in ninth grade or tenth grade. Remember the class and everything. Yeah Yeah and I was living on Long Island and I definitely remember feeling closer to everybody at that time in the immediate aftermath of that and while that of physical proximity and closeness to people is Certainly not recommended right. Now that I do feel like that there is a a camaraderie that we all are are all in this and it's really you know the doctors and the nurses that are the first responders in this type of situation that we're going to be dealing with now. Yeah I I'm on the same page man and there's GonNa be panicked because we don't know exactly what's going on. So that's understandable. We'll get through it. We'll all get through. It'll be a while though I think so you just that everybody needs to be a smart and everybody needs to be safe and will the podcast coming and we'll be doing you know la as much stuff they don't any interruption in terms of the you know a podcast that we're doing covering the shows that are on right now so that that's that's one thing you have to look forward to of play plenty of podcasts over these next couple of months because I'm I'm locked in over here. Yeah podcast family and friends. That's what you got to try and keep close to your right now. I'd say okay all right the Mayo Jar. He's on twitter at Nick. Myron doesn't tweet as much these days. I you know me I've said this before quality over quantity but Yeah I try and do it in bits and pieces okay. All right nick anything else. You could tell people to check out. Hopefully hopefully this writing stuff takes off when I actually finished any of these things and hopefully there's some TV shows in the future. We'll say are you watching anything right now? The initial actually wanted to bring this up dacians for people that are you know sitting there with the net flicks remote. Well definitely don't watch castlerock. I watched the first season of that. My goodness oh how did there? There's like what's going on. I don't even there's no answers any of this. It's a j.j Abrams so With but I love breaking bad breaking bad. Excuse me better call Saul Better Call Saul. Okay huge huge fan. I just got into it. I've been binging nonstop on currencies and love it when episode behind. Yeah I I used to podcast the first four seasons Antonio Missouri that I had tap out on the podcast this season but Josh Wig lers picked up my spa with Antonio podcasting away on post show recaps. So it's a top show. I would say for sure a little bit of a slow burn by. It's still great and then and then my girlfriend will watch like all these like reality shows that are not. Oh she came. I was cooking whatever night it was recently and I was cooking and I had the wand off on. We were on the honorable mentions maybe knows blasted and she comes home. She's like seriously. This is what you're listening to right now and it was like. Hey WHOA WHOA. And then I texted. Wigley was like I think I need. I might need to break up with her. She liked offended the war. You know you got babe texts in real life. Yeah no no no but no like ninety fiance. Those interesting shows though are like love after lockup like I'm in the room and like Washington like this is ridiculous number one but number two all right. It's really big into the love. After lockup he podcasts about on Purple Pants podcasts Rice. Oh yeah he had. He had to the people on his podcast. Yes why he's going on. These people are interesting. I can never tell if it's fake or not because I was on prints real obviously but until you but it's just like are they playing it up. Are they making these situations? I've known you know. Do you have any good shows to recommend the center? I was watching the yeah have you. What's that on? That's on USA network but I get it on Youtube. Tv It might be on Hulu too but the centers. Good show the third season. But it's a good show up with big brother Canada. Like I've got a ton of ninety days before the funds as you don't want to see if I did start to watch this season. Oh you did yeah. I watched a little bit. I like it it's It's an enjoyable. Oh and then the couple other reality. Did you watch the Netflix? One love is blind watch. I watched one eight event. I needed. I wasn't I didn't get into it and I love the circle by thirty three. I'm Choubey Yeah. What a treat. Yeah dating reality shows. I feel like the competition dating reality shows. I don't know I can't get into it. We'll do you like a love island or temptation island love's temptations island. I didn't watch the new station island. Oh Gee temptation island person. We'll see if there's plenty of shows watch for everybody now that we might be after bunker down shells we gotta run out shows. I know well. They're all going out of production right now on. I eight us. Yeah we still got some you know shows in the can for a while so we're good right now. All right Rod has a podcast family and friends to get us through these tough times right. We got a lot of stuff going on after this today Nick. I'll be doing our facebook Friday. Going to be taking calls from the patrons hearing how everything is going for all of the patrons. I feel like I need to be doing. Even more shows. Just take calls from people. Everybody's home right now. I know I know the Patriots are great. Love the patrons. I'm Don at these live events. So yeah they. They deserve more. If they're gonNA be hanging out. Yeah so we'll be doing that. It's not a hopefully they're not hanging out at home. That's we don't want that. Well we don't want people at home. Oh well oh excuse me. We want everybody to get better and be back into society. That's what I think right now. We're on that. Does like not not every job and not everybody not everybody can do it. But if you're if you're able to or if you're if you're forced to. We're trying to make the best of a bad situation of everybody at home right now or a uncharted water. So we're you know that the good thing is that the podcast is able to continue on and we're going to have via have guessed that better GonNa have to be flexible. Terms of our of our schedule and nick did a great job coming off the bench to help us out today. Backup the pinch hitter. Hit a home run at a little controversy in the middle or the beginning whenever it was with Michelle. But I hope you don't feel slighted that they had you come in for Zappia right now. I feel completely slated. I'll never be back on the show. Come on never again even even if there's a second chance for next year I'm not. I'M NOT CAMPAIGNING. On Your podcast. I'm going to go on some other. Networks Zsa Nick. This was a step up that I mean. I probably probably would have had you on a feedback. Show you. You're you're on. The truth is out feedback shows or step down below the recap shows. I didn't think I didn't feel that way. I don't think that that's what people say. Sure okay okay okay. Well I'm glad I moved on the Jeffersons with Jeremy. Okay all right. Yeah you moved on up just like the Jeffersons. We are going to have our feedback show and it's GonNa be great one of my favorite guests on the feedback show. Lisa is going to join me earlier. So yes she seems she's She's done a great job. I think is going to be her. Third Time back on for the feedback. Shell so excited to check in this weekend this week in survivor with Dr Manda Rabinowitz. She will be our guest on Sunday by the way the key. Podcast is back. Have you ever checked that out? Nick I believe I have at least Weiss Wheel of podcast ideas very fun very fun concept for show. And then we have a thing called season three episode seven where I have a ping pong balls filled with ideas of shows that we're GONNA watch season three episode seven right here. Where few ping pong balls short of a fishbowl and This week season three episode. Seven OF ENTOURAGE NICK. One of your favorites role. I've never watched entourage. I think I did like Skim. It but okay okay. So check that out and we'll get back to the wiggle room and the wand off huge fan of the one all right. Well listen You better at like. Maybe you could check it out while your girlfriend's in the shower world. Hey WHOA ROB White Girl. Our or get headphones. Oh my goodness I'm GonNa tell Nicole Day you just said that. Well I might make a debut I make a feature here in the Wando so I will definitely be more. Lewisville all right nick. Thank you so much thank you. I appreciate it. It's always good to chat with you buddy. I it's always a pleasure. Do you feel like us not being in the same room. Did you feel like that? Held US back at all. Did Not hold us back but I always love being in the same room with you. Yeah Okay I said. What can we could've done this on video also You didn't seem to want to do that. No Yeah. If we're going to do video we might as well be in the same room. Okay okay well. We're set up for anything over here. I know you've got a high tech thing. I know I shouldn't be little. Your your operational. Now please don't all right and of course. Thanks so much to the patrons of ROB has a podcast. Really appreciate all of the support of course if you want to get in on all of the facebook community that we have going on our patron shows and everything else. Survivor pre game show. Also did you know that you do the patrons I take I take calls for you know before the show. Oh how come. I'm not an honorary patron? Then you don't do that. That's not fair to that by bribes. Website that complex patriot. You want to find out more about that all right nick. Thank you so much. Take every good wine by feudals.

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Survivor 40 Episode 12 Feedback with Shannon Guss

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Survivor 40 Episode 12 Feedback with Shannon Guss

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Join today to receive your new welcome bonus but online your online wagering solution visit our good friends exclusive partner podcasts line to take advantage of the best bonuses in the business sign up for a free account and make sure he's a podcast one for your sign. Opponents visit that align that A. G. Don't forget that. Promo Code PODCAST ONE. Fear Signing Bonus Online. Your online sportsbook experts. Come to you live from my apartment. It's rob has a podcast and now Here's a guy who has never step down out of the challenge for chocolate and peanut butter. I am rob sister. Nina love everybody. Welcome back to rob has a podcast feedback. Show episode number twelve super excited about this one because I get to catch up with the world's most renowned survivor expert to talk about all things from survivor winners at war. She's taking a break from her coverage on survivor. Global to join me here on the feedback show the world renown Chattan Gusts Shannon. How are you wrong? He's much for having me. I'm doing really well. I'm so excited to be here in your themed week on a weak you has swart great great job job so shannon. Yes mentioned The Ozzy podcasts. I had such great time talking with Ozzie this week and now I'm very excited. I thought this was a good pairing to really. I thought they talked to Ozzy on the recap and I thought we'd really get into the strategic weeds here on the feedback. Show all the interview. I'm like an hour into it is really really great. He's history. He's got a lot of player experience. A lot of connection to the players. I have none of that but I may be thinking about things way more into the weeds of this. Maybe that's actually a bad to unafraid. Myself to the OSCE pawn cars but union. It's a great pairing. I think it's good that it's a perfect complement to one another. And so I let me give you more compliments. Shan coming off of a wonderful season of hosting on Rha P also hosting on the post survivor. Wrap up show on channel ten talking try. Yes there's been a lot of fun. It's weird to do it as I've said a million times you know when you get your hair and your makeup done like right now. My job is obviously like most people have not announced. The John is in several weeks as well. So that was like isn't it? Time like pre pandemic time being so gladys and now we hear so. Yeah yes okay are we would like to do for people is that. I know that look. People are looking for things to watch. I think that people may still be going back in watching Australian survivor all stars so I would like to talk a little bit. People had questions for you. Lot of the same question at like to do is say that for the end of the show so Let's try to be spoiler free about the most recent season of Australia and survivor here until we get to the end of the show. We'll give people a chance to get out if they're planning on catching up in when we have a little bit of a survivor break. Which is something. You're not used to shat. Yeah my God like it's actually so sad because remember coming into twenty twenty. It was a lot of like. We're GONNA fly seasons in twenty twenty and I shouldn't jinxed it like I take full responsibility for that but with a long off even you know coming up. I do think that anyone who has watched international there so many amazing seasons out there like it's the perfect time to watch hopefully listen to the coverage as well go back and watch some of the old season so hopefully international survival will get a bit of a bump in the off season at least yes if it's any consolation we're GONNA have five thousand brands steals in twenty twenty. So that's good. Have you ever done a brand steel podcast? I have not really Mike would love me to do that. I feel like I don't know how I would go with that. It's almost like beyond my level of insanity. Maybe that I could accomplish. No there's nothing that's beyond your level of survivor love and insanity and so. I think that that would be super fun to get you on. One of the brand steel podcasts. Well we did say African season six was a bit of a brand steel just in the way things went so like maybe I did cover that. So that's probably the best experience I have to go. Okay all right so very excited to get into all this with you because it's been a wild two weeks where Tony was sort of like a little bit like a in his cocoon waiting to fly like a butterfly and then all of a sudden has emerged over these last two episodes and Chen. He's everywhere. Yeah he's literally in the trees everywhere on. Did you notice that? So he had the sky shack will the spine ask whatever you WANNA call it? And the reason he got that idea like he'd go up by good and then he was like now I must become the bird and he was like well. Birds can be powerful to me and then he was up in the sky. Like this cannot be a coincidence. I love this so this is sort of like the Marvel Superhero origin story of Tony's that. Yeah he well. That's funny that you say that. So here here. Is Tony from this episode. Where he's in the middle of talking with Ben Ben is like He's just like heart to heart about the vote and then Tony notices something that you just got. What a bird the nighttime. And then we go to Ben Confessional. We come back and this is continued whereas or a black car. Wendy Tony let me tell you from the future. That's bad not want any waste from the bat. The let me just tell you that that is not good and then Tony was. It was like Newton's apple is what you're saying so Tony's like Oh my God. What's the ball a tree? And then he now has the superpowers and he can get up. Is that how he won the challenge? Also yeah this is vitamin origin story. It's like you get advice. Fido put on by a bud. And now he is the bird like all the bat like. I feel like people who listen to live in South Africa coverage and know how much hate bats and I feel like. That's been my take. That's age the best podcasts fear of bath. How much disliked that so whatever. It was a battery good. I think he just was like wow. That came from the sky. That was very powerful. I could have power in the sky. And he's not GonNa like only contestants but he might like she'd on their land there. There's something there either. He was inspired by it. All he has inherited no matter. How crazy to go with this so also that I know you do not care for the bath. But they'll have like the supersonic hearing right from the or or they have sonar here Batman could hear things from Faraway Batman is Batman. Because he's scared about like that's a bad anyway. Might take a hate that took standing theory but I think that may maybe two. You're trying to get so if he is a batch. Not a bird has that power of hearing he can get up in the sky like what other POWs would have if he could get up in the sky sleep like little cocoon which was convenient. But that wasn't the spy bunker. Yeah I mean I'm getting a bit lost with all those different things. But you're like Batman himself. He has a lot of like different vehicles of accessories of the mobile. The bad cop or bad cycle like Yes to have a lot of different spy things so is he. Yes okay so. He actually is becoming Batman in the bat nature of anesthesia nature but Ille- bat called. Is that the name. Was He robin he could be? Well it's Sarah Lassina Robbins. His bad cop. He's also in the air. I think that this is something com. So she's good. He's back up. That's what I think it is because he can't be Batman that's taken that cough and she's a good cook. Okay I like it Salata. Fine so Janet. I would just love to hear you talk a little bit about this amazing run that Tony's been on here over these last couple of weeks where personally I've been so happy to have him as part of the season but I did not think he had this run in him. Yeah that would probably be a pretty common take like. I know that we're boys Tony Fans. I know that like me. My success rate was going to be like get through the first double episode which you couldn't do game changes and to me that was like a victory and every week. I'm like he's still there and I tweet that I'm like Oh my God. We need still bear people like he's actually in a really good position. Any has an idol and good actually win which seems impossible. Like just just envision a world where Tony blockers is two times of a winner. There's no how can we get that? That's that's an impossibility possible. Do you think that the players who were out there were sort of like okay? It's Tony like he's just having fun. He's just goofing off and then has he actually taken them by surprise. Yeah I think so. I think that's what's so dangerous about these really good players in the winners. Never ever underestimate them even more than usually. Don't underestimate people but don't do that anyway but like with the winds you solely underestimated the needs. But it's like she's still survive when she has the capacity to pull off something brilliant which he did with Sandra saying with Tony who we've seen be unbelievable in the past and underestimating him thinking he's different. You like look past the fact that he can turn that on any time and then it's on. Did the original. Tony need to die a humiliating defeat in game. Changers for this Tony to be reborn for Tony. Maybe like Tony really good lessons from that and like not to behave opposite of changes. I think that that was really important but I think like the take that is will. Tony Reputation was so bad because game changes that he was allowed room to move on the season. I think pretty. Oh blowing like. He's still do what he did. A lot of these people had unsuccessful runs in some of their times out with. They haven't won. I don't think that it would have lowered his reputation that much that it's given him this opportunity like what I think. He looked good lessons from it and his wife. Clearly baby cakes would like to do that. That went so coolly. And you away from your family and you won't even on the island and I think that he likes to go into a lot from that. Yeah I think it's all unusual for the three timers to have like the bad experienced sandwiched in the Middle Tyson. Had that and then win that time and that probably was really helpful to his reputation. I A FRIEND. Who's theory is like? It's a real conspiracy theory. But like did was Tony's game-changer run like his arm in a sling movement. Did he did he do this on the lowest reputation? I don't think so. But maybe like if if that's something that people think was like a big deal and that people were really looking at to underestimate him then like it was the best thing to ever happen to him to download games now. That is really galaxy brain thinking where Tony came out on game changers and just ate it so hard that he was setting up his third season in the second season. I mean look at these last two weeks. I've taught me do not discount anything when it comes to Tony Watchos. Yeah it's crazy but he's crazy and it works for Tyson when he went out and here's lives that way. People underestimated him like a lot of ties. It didn't Barbosa water to win to downplay all of his threat levels strategically. Here's villains and ban like physically do that on purpose but it did help and then physically with the on slaying in Victorian like he's had a similar thing and who knows Tony like wasn't on purpose. Almost definitely not there. You know how many survive put cost weekly game some stuff boys. Yeah okay. Well we're talking about Tony Let me get your opinion on the tone the evolution of Tony. That could be audio book. And this is from Austin who wants to get your take on a Shannon. Hey Rob Shannon just had a question about comparing Tony's game this season to carry on so obviously there's been a lot of comparisons between the two I feel like he's been cranking it up this season as soon as he started winning immunities because he has a necklace as a safety blanket. So he doesn't have to worry about things turning around on him at the last second before tribal. I think in Cayenne similar to this was the Tyler Perry idol once he has he also has a safety blanket of not worrying about Being voted out if things mess up and his allies turn on him at the last minute. Vote about worst case scenario. He plays that Tyler Perry idle after the votes. Who read wondering. If there's any truth to this or Tony's GONNA play balls. The walls no matter. What awesome thanks Guys Shannon? Do you think that it's as simple as Tony's been immune these last three tribal councils and that's what accounted for him to start really playing super aggressively? Yeah I mean he he also in that time found the idol and think Tony like his best game is when he has some form of safety and immunity but doesn't need to save your immunity like that's the thing with such an idol heavy player safety heavy play with these three immunity wins as well. But he's never actually played in idle correctly because he's never been on the wrong side of the vote other than getting voted out in game changes and being on the wrong side of denise play earlier in the season allies. He's always on the right side of the road but uses that immunity in that safety for control and power and I think that like seeing him. Reveal the idol to everyone last night when this week when he wasn't necessarily going to be using it like that's the Tony play like that's a threatening thing. It's basically taking something out of the bag of tricks and saying like be careful. They do have the stain and I think he really uses that pressure very well and it has. I think what's been super impressive about Tony in this run that he's been on of Lake where the people are going to start to compare it to you. Know where Rick Devon's went on Iran and Ben's Ron and even Mike Holloway where those are different players that were immune or would find idols repeatedly and then the tribe would want to get rid of them and then they were unable to because of the immunity that the difference here is that Tony is immune but is also calling the shots where he like. His plans are happening. Where none of those other people were executing their will on the game at the same time as they were just not unable to vote. You couldn't get rid of them. Tony you can't get rid of him and he's also the person who is orchestrating. These moves right now. Yeah and that's nine days from me. I mean look. He looked like he was in trouble with this week. I don't know how much you would have been in trouble a couple of weeks before that but like even even with that even with being safe and saving himself possibly from getting voted out. It's so different like especially it was against Devon's game and then as well that like the tribals operating almost outside even if were safe they still had no power still just one person and they could maybe idol someone out of one vote. Which Ben did I think it'd points Devin date but they demonstrate but they. They couldn't control like Tony to me. Control the entire vote this week and every week I think even three points last month like Jones had complete control. And he doesn't have to just because he say like he he definitely could they could just be operating outside of him taking out his allies e powering him as much as I can take him out of the game but instead he actually advises his position every week before leaving control show. I don't know how you felt about this but I thought the thing that Tony did. That was the most impressive to me this week was. There's the seen with Ben where it's right before the tribal council where Nick ends up revealing about how that Kim is talking about getting rid of you but don't worry about it because your immune she can't get you don't worry about it. It's nothing it's nothing and for Tony. You know. He knows Kim is a lion he needs to get her out of the way and so he goes to bed and he knows that Ben has a thing with Jeremy and he attempts to he begs he bribes. He says I could give you a fire token and he was trying to work on Ben to mediate this rift between Jeremy and Ben and I think it's also very funny that a big part of the reason that Jeremy Ben are still fighting is because that Tony flipped at the last tribal council where was in on a plan to vote at Germany. And he's not mad at Tony. You know. He's not Tony. He's still manage. Ernie for not being voted out. A couple of this is now to travel councils in a row that he's just mad at Jeremy because he won't get voted out and Tony is playing the mediator. Tony's the Trish Yell I wanted to say about this is like I feel like the Tony Discredit is always go to trish like Tony was just making a mess. Entrance cleaning up all the messes. Unlike maybe some of that is true but like I just find thinks of libraries binary. I think Tony's always been a social play. I get to be on the right side of almost every boat. You have been in unless you're a social playoff and I think that can we put. The Trish was was the only thing helping to get people back onside argument to bed now because Tony comes back from one of the biggest blinds is on one of his closest allies. Ever use a friendship with this person and the end of the episode. Sarah is allowing him to not play the idol. He's willing to do it and even if she thinks she's safe and she has the right read on that he loved me trying to weaken him to even just have more power in their relationship. Where I feel like Tony. Hold all the cards so to get to the end of the episode where he's brought stare back that much where he brought been back like. I was watching behind my fingers like all. Should you be telling them about the idol? It felt scary but when he pulls it off in that way like he uses it the trust but also possibly a fear. It's like hey like if you wanna go against me you may be comped. I have this thing and I honestly think like even if he had not won immunity. I think Sarah was with Ben. She does end up spilling the beans to twenty. I think he gets those allies back and I think that he he's Trish now and we need to stop thinking that it was only trash you doing that for his gaming copy on that I will say the one thing that Tony does seem a little unfamiliar with how easy it is to bounce back after a blindside here was Tony's reaction to blindsiding. Saturday seems a little confused. Why she's upset with him. And usually you blindside somebody you go back to camp you should allow and everybody's like it's okay. It's all good. Yeah maybe he's just used to like where you live with your mom and then it's like okay. I make a sandwich. I leave the sandwich in the kitchen. And then I come there and the play is back in the cabinet and it's like He's not used to have to actually clean up this mess myself. Maybe there's a good analogy. I'm surprised you cut off the the sound clip before we talk about Mantovani's as well like you know that's a separate separate one. I did want to ask you about that. Yeah he this is how he described that. Sarah should basically suck it up. Buttercup that he describes. Sarah should Do this stop crying. Joke man pennies on did Tyson inset the group with constant talk of his man panties that that I believe the expression would be to put on your big boy or Big Girl Pants that he tells Sarah Stop crying and put her man panties on accidentally or on purpose if someone like ties in could just talk about mankind's enough that saw scraping into every analogy like jeff is like this week bidded who it's really just been like putting on man tiny. I think that it could creep into everything and that would be hilarious. Jeff I'm flying by the seat of my man panties right now. Yeah exactly yeah that. Hey put a stop crying and put on your chance. Stop crying joke man panties on yeah. Yeah that's where. He was hiding the idol last week. Like it's running. Beeman this stop crying and put your man pennies on if I feel like. There's a mixed message Tony US giving us especially like a woman. Why would she be wearing man pennies? I don't know I don't know but again Tony that he's doing everything fast. We'll go with it. We'll go with it because Tony is so locked in We've always been a lot of time talking about Tony on the typecast. And of course it's all a well-deserved but I I wanted to get your take on talking about Kim. A little bit First off that we've talked about the evolution of Tony Chan. I would love to get your take on Kim and ultimately her downfall in this game. Yeah Kim I think we spoke about it on the preseason put across the meuse concerning things that she'd only play survive on easy mode. But how is it GonNa look like on difficult riding a good time for her to finally get into that mode for the first time winners at war when other people have played and many times actually failed in that mood but at least they have experienced like with saying Tony whereas like with Kim? I think we thought really early on when she was left out so early and she was like. This isn't run one world anymore and for me. I really enjoy seeing her. Like I haven't had any of my also change upward down like I think that I saw a more fluid game but like almost everyone's game maybe except Tony is very flawed in the season at such a difficult season as Michelle said like they've been left out of the loop at times besides Tony and they feel that they've made to be made a fool of and it at times we slow this law with candy. Industry play either incorrectly. We talked about it at length on survivor. Worldwide may know central had to play her idol. That way on a couple of tribals ago. Obviously she was out of the loop at times. But I still think I see you like the superpowers. It's pretty apparent to me. Like even her coming into her own. Kind of leading this group here and setting up to that role that she felt really destined to walk into that that leads high role. I still love what I've seen from her and she feels made Safaa with her reputation. I enjoyed seeing the way she fought through adversity even if it was a rocky road yeah This is from Joel a Reichen Burger. Who Says Kim is still a great winner in my book but her path and season forty does remind me of how much luck can be a factor. Kim Didn't look into her win. In season twenty four but perhaps she was lucky to get some of the opportunities. That she exploited so masterfully. Were there missed opportunities for Kim the season or did she have a bad draw from day. One this season change how we feel about her as a player. And for me that maybe I think that we might have overrated her as a player in that she had such a flawless victory. The first time that we said well maybe she's incapable of making mistakes. Maybe she was God's gift survivor and we haven't seen her make any mistakes so maybe she doesn't make mistakes which is not true of probably any person on the earth. Even Tony Vlachos. I believe does make mistakes as we documented in survivor. Game Changers and so that. Kim probably a Lotta mistake. Yeah but he has to work twice as hard to fix them. So Kim probably wasn't going to be able to come in and pitch another perfect game in the season but to me. I think about the things that she did well in survivor. One world like she came in and seemed to have like all same superpowers where she had. You know incredible charisma and you know off the chart social game. Where even though in the very beginning of the game she was very much like Targeted as okay. You're going home. You're part of Poker Alliance. She managed to make it to a point where she seemed like she was really set up very well coming into the merge and. I do think that I've said that I think that not voting out. Adam was a big mistake for that group but Sarah and she seemed like they had a connection and Adam was trying to vote out. Sarah and you see Kim in that episode. Say to Tyson. I don't WanNa vote out. Sarah so I I really feel like that. Even though she was down in the numbers I think that Tony ended up making a great move to go against Kim to save Jeremy the week before because I really do believe that if Jeremy goes home that tribal council. I think that Kim is setup super well to work with Sarah and Denise Potentially Michelle. I think that they are able to get the jump on Tony. Eventually with with Sarah even. Yeah and even if it's just a simple. Tony doesn't have immunity this week. You've probably getting something going even if it's just as simple as there's only one immunity necklace this week. The Denise Might Win Over Tony. We don't know the way by then. Yeah then then she got something going. I think that like I agree like a major mistakes. Were with Sarah Connection for me like Amazon. They have a relationship but I kept feeling like she way more talking to Sarah then. Sarah didn't her out. There was happy to cut Kim this week you. She was just waiting for the Ben even a couple of weeks ago. She was fighting with Tony to get rid of him. Tony was defending him a couple of weeks ago so I agree that like maybe she stayed with the voting Blob. As you've been calling it for too long. Try to protect those alliances where she was kind of leading the numbers. I would agree with that. I think in this episode. She protected Sarah. She was saying like we'll split up shooting. Sarah Tony Community. We'll go for Jeremy. I wonder how much of that was the relationship. I wonder how much of that with the fear of spooking. Tony By blindsiding Sarah and in having him. Maybe have an idol to play next week. Which would have more merit to me? They should be too much stock in that relationship. I think that it came back to her. She even ends up giving Sarah a token so that's how much he valued that relationship and I also think just in terms of the idol. Clay you know talk about global. There was no reason to play on denise with the majority have the power to vote either just played on yourself or keep it and just doing play at and just you know the ship before they may in terms of who the majority splitting the vote on it she had kept or Ido to have this Kabul Council and I bet you would have played it off k. Off so that to me was miss just a that was a mistake. That chimps battling apparently is not a robot makes mistakes more broadly. The seren connection is like a big red flag also. I wonder if you know Kim played at like the ideal time for the Kim Spratling game in season twenty four where sort of the ideal game plan where Boston Rob and coach. She also followed the same blueprint. Let me get my alliance of five or six together. Keep Keep this group Ride it out. She had a swap. Those other guys did in and then basically stick with my numbers and ride it out with my core group until the end and now the game has really in. These lasts sixteen seasons since she's played only gotten faster and we are firmly ensconced here in the advantage era of survivor where it is a lot about. How do I play these like a trinkets and find these things and make these crazy blindsides at tribal council? Which I do feel like is not Kim's game yeah I would agree and I think that's why such a good move for Tony. To kind of like elevate that speed something that Christian talks about and like make it more frenetic so that maybe a more frenetic play on Christian especially Tony King. Keep up with the pace and even though these players will win is and they can probably keep up with a lot then not all necessarily people fos play a lot in the other players have superpower that are in flow a play that more social game and that more just like a more drawn out strategy and you can even see like the fact that denise was so frustrated by more chaos tribal council on this is not the pace and the type of games now that all the winners would choose but it is the type of game solve attorney which I think is flourishing in it. Yeah so wild. I think that Kim is a little bit out of place here. In this era of survivor. Not to say that. This era of survivor is better than the one that Kim played in. But it is what it is where you know we have. Were playing in an era of fast. Fast Fire Tokens advantages and big moves in live tribals and. I don't believe that that is Kim's game but it's almost as if though that the game that Tony Played in survivor Kagi on. I do feel like that. That was sort of like that. We began to move into this era in season. Twenty eight and now. Tony is here in like. Where's the game of survivor has evolved to really be a game that matches his particular skillset? Yeah I think the came if I looked back toward mistakes. A lot of them are based on the fact that like she fell behind the pace a little bit like even not playing the Iro correctly like Germany had less like a clan was different And it changed and I don't think he just had the time to think about what you wanted to do. You think about like the repercussions and everything of that and then law sleep again. She's in the majority. She's gotten back in which was impressive like he's now in this new majority which would have been good then the plant and you just five minutes full tribal council now. She's behind again this tribe house the majority. She's done it. It's okay. Chaos the tribal council last minute. Quick play left behind again so when I look at where she was kind of falling behind. I think that if you give five extra minutes each of those times you might have got it done. But it's just it's been so close and so last minute that is not the way And I ll tell me if this is similar at all to Australian rules football she added but I feel like that that Kim spratling and the game that she played in survivor one world. That Kim is a master of playing defense of that. Hey I'm glad that my group is so strong that your troy's ends all these people are gonNA keep trying to hit my defenses and we're just going to keep blocking all your shots on goal and I'm going to protect my core group and get to the end and she's plays a defensive game That's a you know a very strong group that she's GonNa keep together which is part of her social game where Tony is the opposite. Tony is offense offense offense scoring that he's never gonNA stop coming and the game. I do think is much more of a faster paced more suited to a player. Who Stays on offense. The whole time like Tony. Yeah I think the Kim. Maybe it's more she's like she's in the League and she can increase the late and increase lead increased by like two hundred points which can happen in Australian rules football. Tony's gave like a close game like it's a point behind and now he's three points up in like very exciting and he just killed by goal six points and I think that that's the way that I see it but I like seeing defense. I I loved from the first episode. You know the first trump counselors you went to how she was at. I love seeing the deal with adversity because I think he dealt with it really well. He voted for an MBA. She turned against her ally when she needed to. She wasn't the name which was Kinda crazy because she is Kim's Grad compared to ambiguity. I know that was wrong. But like you got is not the same threat level like I thought he did great. I think he was okay on the defense but I think maybe just like so many other people having power and being as close as it was is maybe not the came game as much. Okay let me bring in a question from chase about Kim's decision. This week of target was at this tribal council. Hi Robyn Shannon Shannon. I I wanted to say I'm such a huge fan. I think that your take from I think edge of extinction and about how a super fans in particular watch survivor to watch people win. Interesting ways is one of the best installations via the show has endured for so long and I just think that you are a genius commentator on survivor and rob. You're not too bad yourself. Anyways my question here in this week's episode BC Cam She clearly wants to target Tony. But as soon as tony is immune instead of CO targeting one of its close allies She was willing to Let the vote go to this kind of default boot Jeremy. So what do you think? Even though Tony was immune should cam have been weakening Tony by taking out either Sarah or been That she clearly knows Was working with him Or does she have the right target in mind in this kind of Default boot. Jerem of to hear your thoughts. And I'm sure you'll be insightful. See by nicest voicemail ever very nice voice mail from chase a shot. I would love to get your take on Kim's target in Jeremy this week once. Tony wins the immunity. I did think that that was odd that she ended up settling for Jeremy as the boot this week since that she had had the history with Jeremy from the poker lions quote unquote from the time at the post swap the call and especially the fact that it seemed like that denise was so on board with getting rid of Germy at that point and maybe if that was a factor I think it depends on the reason like if she's putting so much stock in relationships. I think that's the wrong read because I think that said like Sarah could take Lebeau this whole time if it is that. We don't want to Spook Tony even by taking out Ben in this in this case because the next time we have the numbers to split the vote. Because I genuinely don't think anyone is splitting the vote again for the rest of the season because ob speak from what happened last week. And he has an idol. Which you know. Tony often does if we speak in this week. Then we can't get him next week so if there is that sense of why did. I do get that way more than I get just like. I WanNa work with Sarah down the track like he was weird to hear. Say Like we want to Split Up Tony and Sarah so now Jeremy. Jeremy's not turn your Sarah so that would not be splitting them up but I get it in terms of like going on the attack next week and just getting Tony Allen of blindside because if you vote with him now and I assume they brought toady in on the plan to take out Jeremy. If Ben Spill the beans and he would be on the wise I if he doesn't want immunity and four times in a row is really talks. Then you're next week what I love from. It is the the essence to to to make that move. That was a plan to take Tony. She was going for it. She said on the edge of extinction. She didn't regret it like that. Like that energy is what I'm looking for like just like I'm going to do what it what it takes. I see merit to either way. Either weakening Tony now by taking out an ally all weakening him by continuing to kind of manipulate him with you. The next week can take him out even if he has an idol. I see both sides but I admire the effort. At least trying. I think that the four four was also looming a pretty large at that Vote than anybody wanted to go to rock so I think that Kim was trying to figure out how do we? How do I get five people on board with what we're doing and we see her like talk to nick a lot in the episode and it's obvious she's sitting right there when Ben is like? Hey Jeremy like Jeremy's like Hey. Ben How'd you sleep and he's fine so you always no? Yeah now I don't want to and so yeah a little bit a little bit. Yeah so I think that kids like okay. Well Ben Hates Jeremy. Nick is seems on board to at least go after Tony so if we if we go with the vote where I think we have five of feeling like that she had herself and and Michelle and Denise That we could take out Jeremy. And then now we take out Tony and Ben next or Ben and then Tony and then keeping Sarah for last and then you know how Kim likes to have options. She could then vote out. Nick or do or go back to the you know one world game plan of go to the final four with women and then vote out nick five so. I think that she just felt like that they I. It didn't matter if they had you know they have to Jeremy eventually and then she has The basically the jump on the you know Sarah Ben and Tony. No matter what the final seven and like I see the pathway like taking Jeremy here make some sense the next time if he doesn't win immunity goes to him if he doesn't immunity. Then at that point you take out like a band you take out an ally than at the final six you actually do very simply have the numbers but the void like you have a lot of shots at Tony by taking our Jeremy does weaken Tony. Especially when you've made a four. You've pulled over nick which doesn't seem to have you know he wouldn't picked up when he said he trusted nigga hundred percent until obviously been told him. I totally see that pathway like I get it wrong as long as it wasn't just like I like Sarah and it was a more emotional thing if it was like I can use Sarah plus they don't want to Spook looney. I think there's a lot of strategic merit to all of that. I'm going to see the halfway. I think what she went wrong was like telling Ben about the plan was a really bad. Read obviously off the twins immunity. Ben Does the beans Benz not in her for. I know that makes you think she needs Void of eight but like if the other four include been Jeremy. Like you're GONNA be okay. You'll still went out with the numbers that you have so I think telling. Ben Was a really big mistaken. She always include Tony into something. That was that was bad. Yeah L. also at that trial counsel. I do think that Kim tries to get the vote onto Sarah at the tribal council that she goes to Jeremy and she's like I feel like something's up and I feel like that it's Tony and Sarah and Ben trying to run things and I think that that's where the idea of Oh it could be. Sarah comes up at tribal council and Denise is like no I'm not. I'm not changing the plan. Even before she says that with Jeremy she says that at one point also in like in the midst of all the craziness so I think that Kim would have voted out Sarah at that tribal council. If if Jeremy Denise were on board with it but I think that they were just like too far down with this this other plan which was going on council and the different. His name was out there. That has nothing to do with Kim which I can get in to go for it. Well I mean that's like Elijah thing. I felt with Kim and Jeremy like when they were talking to me like that classic example of when two people link lying to each other. And it's like a completely pointless conversation. That's how I took it to people who are about to work for Java but in terms of Sarah's name I've got a whole theory about this that is all to do with the fifty fifty idle. Okay so that's why thing happened in the tribal council. It's all to do with the environment. Okay good all right. Well then I know you WanNa talk about the fifty fifty. 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But now I'm happy that it's in the game because we get to talk about it and it definitely helped move the action this week so Shannon. Okay how what does the fifty fifty idle have to do with Saraceno? Seattle was everything. This week likes. I'd even kept saying on. Notables like something spooked already and he changed the It was like Impetus I mean. What would scooby anyone bass a terrible? It was important taped from this. Is that Bassett terrible? But what would happen? Was Jeremy told Tony. About fifty fifty idle. And that was the impetus in Thailand tribal. I think that's the change from seven to avoid. Jeremy was going to be flipping that coin to five to three but could have been sixty two. Michelle was clued in. I think it was all because if the advantage so the first thing I wanted to get into. Why is convinced that this is the best modern invention of survivor? Okay I UPSET. I am all ears. This is the running theme. I also who the idol wasn't into it. I felt like it added too much randomness to the game which felt very unfunded on satisfy then had my brother Jason unsurvivable. I cars are going to check out the podcast about forty five minutes in. He convinces me. This is great and ever since then. I've thought more about it. I love it more and more so for me. Reasons why the advantages so cool firstly amazing nickname to face. Idle Schrodinger coin is a favourite. You call anything so I like also the trophy coin. Encouraged face item places with Batman. Thing as well yes right. Yeah exactly all Batman TV Anti Seasons Batman Fisher so eating cards people to tell about their advantage which makes interesting when they're spoken about rather than just being whipped out. Habby exciting Kelly went with an can be exciting. But I think it's getting a little old. I'd rather see people strategize around their advantages and this advantage. You have a fifty fifty percent chance you do nothing with it but if you talk about it you elevate your odds and I think that if we start looking at it like it's not random it's not fifty fifty you can create your own off. You'RE GONNA start to love it like I do so one thing I love about. This advantage is it allows opponents to come together for mutual benefit. I think Jeremy should have done in this in this episode. You know if you if the majority don't have the power to split than all the boats coming to someone like Jeremy Wright and I do think it would have been seven one. He needs to go to Ben and he does go to Ben but he needs to say look. I have this point and if you vote me fifty percent chance I will go on so I don't want it to come down to the coin but it happens and willing to go there but fifty percent chance not only immune but my vote will decide to go on. That could be. That could be your ally. Neither of US wanted to go to the coin so now they have a mutual goal to enemies are going to go to To Person Rock road. No one wants that so we didn't cartoon people on either side of the spectrum to come together to find a stood auction to make sure that the coin doesn't decide their fate because good playoffs. You'd want a fifty percent chance of an advantage deciding the fate in the game and this only cool things about it but I just think that the fact that it can bring people who shouldn't work together together under the mutual benefit and there's mutual thing today should they want to gain from it if such a cool thing and something that other idols. When you have an idol usually you have all the power you hold all the cards but if you have a fake. Heidel you hold none of the college. The toothpaste idol is both things fagin. Hof Real and it has this really equal power dynamic. That is so rare to find viable. So the power of the fifty fifty idol is in the news that you have it So like keeping it. A secret is on not especially powerful but it sort of has the same effect as The idea that we're going to not go to rocks at like for twenty two seasons players didn't go rocks because it was so unpalatable for anybody to rocks and then it happens in blood versus water. And then they make a big deal about it like Now that's how you play survivor. And then it seemed like that for people it was kind of cool to go to rocks and sort of red thing to do and most of the time. Unless it's a lot you don't WanNa go to rock and you certainly don't want to go to a two person. Rock'n'roll between two enemies we're voting which would raise voting. For what point does I think that the rock was like yes? It will get your heart racing towards people put their hand in the bag but the most interesting about it for me is like watching the strategy around people IGA getting out of rocks all getting to rock words that last resort like Jeremy goes to bed and I was like I have this coin. I'm going somewhere on your side. You'll voting me. Let's not do this bannon like let's have fake come down to a coin. Let's work together. Let's vote out someone else and Ben like screw. You don't want to do the coin. Yeah and one of them goes through and because of that. That's really interesting to me like it's interesting because this meaning behind it in it's not like the meaningless random thing and I think there's just so much potential here for people working together shoot and work together because it brings people opposite sides of the aisle together under a mutual benefit. Okay now Jeremy. Tells Tony and tell me if at tribal council he says the thing that I have. It's a coin right. Is that what he says? It's a fifty fifty me exactly what it is tribal council. And that's when Tony immediately turns to Ben and tries to get bent chain vote so I think what happened at the tribal council is before all the tribal council. Jeremy Tony that had something so at that point twenty things. Jeremy can save himself. He's only goal at that. Point is to make sure the Jeremy Dozen vote to Sarah who's vulnerable. You must make sure that she that. Kim. That's why when Tony I used voting the same way. That's his main priority. Jeremy Safe with something. Just make sure it doesn't bounce back on my allies then finds out. It's a coin now. Tony has to change the vote. Any does why does he have to change the because it has a fifty percent chance scoring Jeremy which she doesn't want or fifty percent China's Only be immune but will decide who goes which could be Sarah. That's not good news Tony so joining us to use this disparate power. The advantage like these two opposite extreme and obviously his middle position to get his intended target out which is came anyway like now even more necessary that he does and because it's so descript advantage he can go to Jeremy with leverage. And say you know you have to book became. I will help you out but like you have to do what I'm saying. If Jeremy has an idol that he can fully protect yourself. You can do what he wants because he fifty percent vulnerable. He has to listen to twenty two degrees but Tony Of his allies but he can also use the threat to his allies to get them to do what he wants his. Well like when you go around saying Sarah could be in trouble. That could be genuine. Anyone could be in trouble. Could send any person who with his technically if he does land on the right side of the coin and he gets so I think he uses both of these things and that kind of mutual fear yes generally could go home but also Jeremy could send someone who unless we work around. They would rather send Jeremy. Who in Germany would probably rather than been or Sarah whom than came but neither of them get their first preference but they both do was sure that it won't go down to the point that they'll be safe by going around. The coin devout came acting. Tony uses that really brilliantly. Do you think that Tony even bothers to tell people like Ben or nick that it's a or does he just say that Germany has an idol? We can't go for him tonight. I think the thing was saying. Someone has an idol. Is that people bluff all the time and if someone tells you they have an idol someone tells you someone else has an idol triable especially Tony. Who's been trying to get? Ben Devotes Cam. You might be like multiple off that you don't WanNa play tonight or at stake but with the fifty fifty coin is also really powerful because a deep how the bluff. Because you act the same way if you're gonNA play it or not like you don't know Jeremy's GonNa play because either way he desperate because either way you've at least fifty percent vulnerable so I think the coin. I think going to someone like Nick and explaining that he's quite a cerebral player and explaining the coin. I think nick would pick up. That's a very pressing threat. I do WanNa if he told people that always just kind of leaning on quite a genuine fear that Sarah could be in trouble. Nick could be in trouble. Anyone could be in trouble. If Jeremy is deciding void. I don't know if he told people specifically I could see it and I just leaning on this year but I think that if I were hearing about this coin if you would think about it and have that time you could be like. This is bad news. No one wants to come down to a coin and it's not just Jeremy's fake coming down to the coin it's also whoever votes for which could be any of you. That's terrifying going. Allow the coin to decide. Yo Game. I'M GONNA continue to ask you questions as if you are the person that has the answer key and knows all the information. Okay they have. I have I convinced you. Did this. Really Cool Yeah. I am much more on board than I was say. Three weeks ago that I started to like head in this direction. A little bit coming into this week's episode. But you definitely have made more of a believer out of me. When Jeremy is going to talk to denise what does Jeremy Want to tell denise? Is Jeremy Considering Betraying Tony? Or is that more part of the chicanery. I felt so media conversations with fake. That's like I said like cume and Jeremy felt like such a fake combs Asian to me that I don't know if he was going to say something real I can't imagine what he would have had to stay to denise and I feel like it was most like Jeremy wasn't really having any fruitful conversations to the other than telling Tony about the advantage and Tony was making things work. I think Tony Schedule Dan into doing what he wanted. I think Sarah was on more than was on board after ready. Forwards for Kim. I think nick was also get the advantage. And A or just kind of realized they had four five with Michelle reboot and just went with the majority. So Nick I was scared of the rock draw from what I understand really like the raw because like it's never going to go to Ross like Michelle would rather forget go on go on Reddit and and there are kids that watch nick play video games. And that's what he said really. He was scared of the Rock. Rock they he's he didn't have the numbers and so he flipped. Tony Voters. I can't imagine what Jerry would have been doing. Especially with. Denise is like the other offenses against him so that probably would have been a fruitless conversation. Maybe Denise was right to shut it down okay all right so the fifty fifty coin is still play. Okay the the to stay. Seidel still implying that this is now counting because he came up with that okay. Does it get played at the final seven Shannon? So I think what should happen and what I would predict happens is that it gets play but it doesn't assign the vote now. Everyone who's Jeremy has something. He literally screamed in Tribal Council. Would he should be doing is going to his advisories lack of Ben at Sarah and saying we don't want us to decide the what I don't want it fifty John Terrible. You don't want me to have full control. That's bad for you and I think that in a season with clipboards now like inaugurals or because they saw we badly messed up last week. It's like a perfect opportunity. I think he'd Michelle can use it really powerfully. I think the advisory will also be scattered it and I think that what would be the perfect thing to do with it is Tuesday. I'm definitely GONNA flip it last time that I can but going let it decide games. You vote option like denise. I think that would be the best for everyone. I think I could definitely see that happen. But then after that Jeremy's Kinda screwed for next week. I think he will be. Okay okay all right. Did Tony make a mistake by not having a Jeremy? Play that To face idle this week. An this actually. I think speaks to my theory because what Tony says to Jeremy Is. You can play if you gave me a word. Something like that exactly down somewhere. But he basically says if you didn't do nothing then play it if you gave me a word. So what he's saying is if you voted for Kim like I ask you. You can play it. He scanned that. It's GONNA screw one of his allies all. I think that if you trust me were there than Tony would want Jimmy to play it too. So he doesn't have leverage but I actually think will be a great thing for training. I think he could take all the heat off. Tony next round you want. Actual the disadvantage doesn't go off like a bomb. You WanNa you know. Then they WANNA get rid of Jeremy. I despise him. A couple around of shields. This could make someone like the needs who otherwise is ever going home. Because she's just not in a threatening space right now. This could make someone like a Denise. Go arm instead of Jeremy instead of Tony and then he she'll just keep going on so I think Tony could be a really good thing so then if it is like how you say than if Germany says okay. I'm going to play the coin just Tony. Then play the idol on Sarah. I think Jeremy. Next week next week of Jerry. Bill I mean at this drop accounts that we just saw at the late. I don't think so because I think at that point. He was secure that he had convinced Jeremy to vacate jobs to like really be like did you. You said Multiple Times so if you secure in that than I don't think so but I think Sarah like he's playing at either like he's playing for two reasons offering to play it for two reasons. The first is Jeremy hasn't played the coin yet that if he does it could actually come back to buy. She sent a harm. But also I think Tony like so much of this episode. He felt like he was like the husband in the Doghouse for me. Maybe in the back go find the idol. He was like okay. I'll do it. I'll do it right now. Are you gonNA play the autism? And he's like I'll do what I'll do with it. Like he was willing to make it up to her. I think that was most of it. I think he'd be willing to do it. Was You now? I think this episode we slow. What Tony's like when his wife is mad at him? We know. Doc We like this. Yes okay all right. This is all very exciting as you think that. It is a bad omen for Jeremy. That if he does end up playing this advantage because as Dan Foley Won said Shannon Slippers. Never win. Yeah I mean that's not a good situation. I would not want to be putting my fate in a coin. That's what produces one for you. I think would be unsatisfying. Especially if you've told him before as a player you if you've got to the point where your game is in the hands of a coin where you haven't even made being able to convince other players who work with you to their own detriment that is really really bad so it might be metaphorical at actually illegally bad. Okay so I love that. We're talking about the coin. I I'd love to talk about it from Michelle's perspective. We're talking a lot about it from Jeremy and from Tony's perspective so Michelle is in sort of like an interesting spot in this episode. She's one of the people that is going to be voting for Jeremy. But she doesn't want to go home she's going to give him that fifty fifty coin. Let me play you this question. That's all about Michelle. This is from Shaun from Boston. I Robin Shannon. I wanted to talk about a trend of been noticing a Michelle's game so going back to even Koran to the Julia vote. Michelle voted against Julia to vote with the majority. Now we've seen something similar to this guy twice this season. I the Tyson vote. Where after her closest ally Jeremy left-right will counsel she seemingly randomly put a vote on Tyson hoping that that was where the majority was going though. We saw it again last night. Where Michelle openly planned. Even with Jeremy To vote for Jeremy Her closest ally. Do you think this really transparent attempt to always vote with the majority. Even against her own closest allies will help her down the line or do you think it could lead to her downfall down the line of here's thoughts thanks okay. I think this is interesting because this is a trend where that you know going back to wrong as we heard. Sean say that Julia is her closest friend and she ends up being more people that votes against our and then here in this game we see her most recently. She's part of this group. That's going to be voting against Jeremy. But she's also like Oh. Here's here's an advantage to play so you don't get voted out. We see her also that she's willing to be one of the people to vote against poverty but she wants to get something out of it from From the from Wendell right right that she wanted to get. She wanted to get a fire token from Wendell. If I have that right it's been. It's been a couple of weeks. She also then. When Wendell gets voted out she's upset. She would've voted against Wendel. Michelle is up for. She'll voted anybody and that on top of that. I think that that's what what's very interesting. Is that even when Michelle votes you out? People want to give her fire. Tokens where she. I feel like that. Michelle is onto something here. Where she's able to sort of like have the best of both worlds where she's able to often vote in the majority vote her allies out of the game. And then they like her the best and they want to give her. The Fire Tokens Different. Because in that way she was committing herself from one side whereas I feel like she swaying in the breeze. This season playing the middle. And that's why she can kinda go back and forth like I. I love this move from her. The the instinct to give the token to her main ally but she said that she didn't have the numbers. At that time. I have seen. It was seven to one vote against Jeremy like she didn't have the numbers to sway. She gave him something but she didn't let the coin. Decide our fate because if she flew votes with Jeremy Yes fifty percent chance they come out as winners but if he gets voted out with it which is a distinct possibility. Then she come back to camp a loser. She kinda covered all her bases. I really liked that. The thing is like she did end up. Getting left out of my issue with this show is like her boy. Students seem to have a lot of weight. Like it's kind of thing but it negative way like this time she got caught up in the shuffle. The News in gets back to I think even had he definitely wouldn't have been voting. Jeremy who should try to stay if she noted that the numbers doesn't get back to her but I think it's kind of irrelevant two weeks ago. He voted on the right side. She voted for ties in came back to camp. You wouldn't even notice if you didn't watch the CBS secret seen so like that didn't have any relevancy. La You know. She voted with poverty when he goes home but is in the majority of the next week. Like it's a good thing a bad day because you can bounce back but also like people care more about what she's doing like maybe it's just like so unthreatening that you can. Kinda do what you want. I love the way she plays within that. I love the instinct to give Jeremy Bitcoin. If you need it. I think he's playing big and he's he's playing Boston lose. But I wonder if it's just like maybe no one's thinking about it that much and that's why she can play the game in terms of with the fifty fifty coin and we're talking about now in the conflict in the context of Jeremy. Is she making a good move or a bad move to sort of like Be completely anonymous in all of this where that we're talking about how impactful it is but it's almost impactful in a way where she's not getting any of the credit that comes out of it but at the same time that she's able to either if she saves Jeremy Great. Although Kim goes out of the game I guess that she probably would rather have Jeremy and the game then Kim. I'm guessing but if Jeremy goes out Jeremy is going to the edge is going to be give. Whatever I don't know how does he have one fire token whatever he's got he's GonNa give it to Michelle and that's going to be a sure-fire vote for Michelle at the jury. And she's also one of the people that voted him out of the game. So I kind of feel like that. That was a win win for Michelle. Yeah and I go to question. Like why doesn't she chides him a finds for the advantage and with Michelle's game when she's not that transactional that she has social game that everyone of the jury has been talking about several years. I think that's what we see. Like Nick would give it to you. An offer the token you know but like that's not Michelle and that speaks to her social superpowers. And that's just has to be here. She's going to be fifty percent chance he goes home and gives it to her. Anyway saying I just wonder if I like I just. I don't know that she feels like a bit Dynamics to me on maybe because you've just been slowing with Jeremy who gasoline untended. He'd been fighting every week like the presumptive posted to go three weeks in a row in a somehow made it out. I just wonder where she fits into the dynamics lodge. Yeah Yeah. I don't know exactly where she fits in But I just feel like that that this is something. That's definitely a real about her where I feel like that. You know over these past eleven weeks. Well she's Nice. She's a good social game but it does feel like that. This is part of her plan of that. You know that she makes these strong bonds with you but ultimately that while she doesn't come across as somebody who is just game centric that she will ultimately vote wherever the numbers go like irregardless of these relationships. Yes he has no allies we just GonNa take and he'd been on the opposite side here and there. We thought she was connected to Jeremy. She will help them out. But you weren't like to battle him if she sees its thinking like she is. She'll do what she can but she's not gonna go sync with it. Yeah I mean. She's pretty untended from the dynamics and I live positive in that she's thinking on who level by just the thing to give him the coin vote against him as a cool way to think. I just worry that it's like she can do what she wants to. Because it's on a spotlight on her because she's just like kind of more of an becoming more woman on entity in the game she kinda like really does have like the anybody but me thing down but She's able to like well. Hey you know you're my best friend but it's your tonight. So I'm I'm I'M I. I am going to be one of the votes vogue out of the game and because she is like a low in Tijuana even when she does that then people will pick our offerings will be majority. Like you've never been in trouble you know. I think she's like she playing like she. Immune and people are allies or whatever but like she always fine people pick her up. They wanted to be her to be part of this four. Did you kind of you what you wanted to kind of like? Elevate her standing. While knowing that you'll lively be okay. I wanted with like the coin. It's like if she keeps it. Did she give it to Jeremy? To flip it the she flip at like imagine onto not safe. You'll be record yield like I do WanNa either germy or jeff that's flipping. The coin. Thinks that she's acting like what a coin. What is this the Queen? I think sell really well. Maybe I maybe he does or maybe like the. I think that he probably has a sense of like how what the blocking should be like I feel like that. Who if like a? What do they say like? Oh Okay Jeremy you actually just dropped a we need like a real flip up in the air like what's the regulation rules on the coin flip. I agree here like coin. Flip Protocol. Congenital definitely just drop it onto say right okay. Yeah right because I feel like flip a coin in your hand you catch it. You flip it over. You put it onto the ponds of the palm of your hand like what. What are you doing with the safe not safe? Coin that in the island of the idols that in the demonstrations it was just sort of like a hockey puck. You throw up in the air and then it just land how it lands So I think they probably want to have that in Jeff Sans but he did. He added. Who's in Boston so that Boston Rob did it? Boston robbed and they probably called bus. Rub of the Eurabia Boston Rob. You haven't had a line in a couple of minutes you flip. The Coin Blake. Okay yeah he can come. He's right there at the Jerry Self. Okay this is the fifty fifty coin. We called to face idle. All I call this the Schrodinger idle. Yeah okay while we're talking about this and the beauty of Michelle's view on the game Let's take this question from Terry. Who has a question about are? The fire. Tokens may be a harbinger of what's to come. I Robin Challenge. This is Terry calling from California. My question is about the equipment of the fire. Tokens been wondering if they are an indication of who they'd be most likely to vote for in the final tribal council. What Guy Sneak? Thanks Okay Shannon. Should we be looking at the way that the players are racking up? Fire Tokens as somewhat indicative of who will get jury votes at the end of the game. I don't think so. I think it came to get voted out. Be going to the edge and be so deceased to go vote for would be like giving up like he's still in the game. I think she's giving trump is going to work with and that's why people have spreading around you know because it's like in whichever of the three of still left. She could still work with him. I think he's thinking more like a play than a jury aspects. The justice goaded out I do think though that I talk a lot about how they think that the jury does vote for a person that they have very positive feelings for and they like. Don't vote for somebody that they just outrightly dislike and so. I do think that you know as we're talking about. Michelle has been racking up. Fire Tokens from people. That I do think that you know nobody ever goes out of the game with hard feelings towards Michelle counter-intuitively like someone like tweeting such big. You're not gonNA give a fire truck and empower him case. You do get that gave. You probably don't want him to be that so it only not unlike a powerful position but if he gets to the end and you're out of the game and you can't get back in you'll probably rewarded with a jury vote so it's probably a little bit of everything like you have to like them. You have to want to work with the the but not like necessarily like these will be my jerry preferences. I guess what I'm saying of the people that are left of the seven people that are in the game not counting the edge of extinction. People like I feel like that. I thought that Tony Jeremy and Sarah are on a tear where I feel like that there are people that can win the game and then of the other four people that are there Denise Michelle and Ben and Nick I feel like that I have Michelle. I think like a maybe a tier above Out of those four. Yeah I mean I feel like way at the bottom. The his sore many people say negative things social game. I feel like he's drawing dead. It boys the edit and also in the game itself so I feel like he's he's super like denise I'm surprised by denise. He seems to be like again like a lower to win. She onto the best moves of the season already and she needs to do more. Like how's it going back to? This may have told me how she was like the person to be the resume and now it's like no one else has done that much except Tony and it's still folding like the knees is not a winner without a resume like what happened to a resume I don't know I mean that in hindsight though I be talking about this. A little bit These last couple of weeks. Tony's really come together like if denise goes with Sandra's plan and votes out Tony. This is a completely different game right now. Yeah Hey to say and I have known you plays into this. But I think what we've always out to him he can let them get a foothold. They can't cross you okay. Let's talk a little bit about Sarah. Okay and where she is in the game. Now let me ask you this question. This is from initia- from twitter. Sarah Voting Jeremy Over. Kim was dumb that she had a worker relationship with Kim and nothing with Jeremy who seems closer to Tony. She missed an opportunity to take out a big jury threat and someone who is not even working with her okay. Do you feel like that. Sarah was wrong with going with Tony and Ben and Nick to and Jeremy Vote Out Kim instead of sticking with the group. That was gonNA vote out Jeremy but she isn't in Kim's new four eastern protector on the side. But I think everyone who wasn't in that four so Jeremy Ben Sarah Tony. Getting out from the floor is better like you could still pick up those numbers. You can still outnumbered at seven categorically What if what if Tony Wins next week at that point is him having to sacrifice? Sarah like she's not in the majority if if this went through and they voted. Jeremy Jeremy Goes Hoberman and they have a four. And then she and Bannon Tierney. Three wins immunity. Like it's between her and Ben. Right like Brian will protect. Oh but it's great position to be in better has an idol yet and yet I mean I wouldn't want to be in that position and maybe you could say okay. They'll vote out nick but Yeah I I think that for Sarah. I thought maybe coming into this week that Sarah would be so betrayed by Tony but once we found out like two minutes into the episode. That's our is like. Hey I made my bed with Tony and if it doesn't work out never talking to him again but I have to play this out with Tony than It seemed like all roads with Cam were done at that. Point also completely shocked by that like I did not think Sarah was coming back from the state to give us the next time. She was so angry. So we need that like influenced us and then she was immediately pretty over it like me. I think Sarah can trust Tony. Tony will take zero to the end. My problem with the staying with Tony and not flushing. His idol. Here is like good at the end with Tony because he will beat you. Not because he will turn on you and I feel like in their relationship has all. He has an idol. He has more power Yahtzee side relationships with Jeremy for example. And you said nodal like. She's pretty much relying on him. I'd be worried about that position so without sleeping on Tony like I totally get her wanting to stay in like a majority here with Ben and Tony Having Paulo. I just wanted to like how long she's going to stay in that majority with Tony. Like as much as you say she could speak in the next in the end. I don't think anyone is beating tourney. I don't think that she should go to the end with Tony. And I think it'll look like she was subservient to him. How do you think that this will play out? Do you think that ultimately Tony Cut Sarah before he gets to the end. Do you think that Sarah potentially cuts Tony or they end up sitting with each other in the final three. I can see them going to the end together. Like Sarah doesn't seem to WANNA cut Right now like if she does it&