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Episode 61: Jeremy Szal

The Worldshapers

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Episode 61: Jeremy Szal

"Welcome to the world shapers conversations with science fiction and fantasy authors about the creative process. I'm your host every. And this episode's Guest Jeremy Shaw. Welcome to another episode of the World Shapers I'm your host. Edward Will it. This is the podcast. Right talked to other sides fiction and fantasy authors about their creative process as I'd like to point out I m myself and author of science fiction and fantasy. My current project is a series called world-shapers which comes out from Dr Books has come out and is coming from doublets book. One world share came out in two, thousand, eighteen and master. The World Book to came out in two, thousand nineteen and just came out and mass market paperback in August and coming up September fifteenth is the Moonlit World, which is book three We'll shapers from which this podcast takes. Its name is set in vast inter dimensional labyrinth of shaped worlds. the shapers of these worlds came from our world, the first world, but we're giving their own worlds to shape by the mysterious agreer who has operated a school in our world to teach people how to shape worlds and Edmund. They graduated. She gave them a world to shape. It sounds like a pretty cool school. So, the first book World Shaper takes place in what seems to be our world except there's a few differences and the shape of that World Shana keys doesn't remember that she shape the world which is very unusual as the mysterious stranger. Carl Yasser. Tells her when he shows up because he expects you to remember, she doesn't he explains what's going on in that. Her world is now under threat from the adversary who already stolen the knowledge of the making of the world from her during a terrible attack that killed her best friend says, her world has already lost to her. But if she comes with him to other worlds, she can gather the knowledge of the making of those worlds. The Shaping of those worlds take it to a rare and save all of the labyrinth from the depredations of the adversary. So that's The overall premise book one as I said takes place in a world very much like ours as they attempted to escape the adversary and get out of that world into another world book two takes them into a world which was inspired by Jules Verne the shape of the world really bikes Jules Verne, and that's why it's called master the world which of course is a Jules Verne title and it's a very much a Jules Verne Steam punkish world with strange submarines and weird airships and floating islands and odd weapons and all the things that to Jules Verne. Really dug. From which you can tell that I come from back in the seventies. As a teenager. The one that comes out September. Fifteenth the world is I. Like to call it where wills and Vampires and Peasants Oh my, and it is shaped by people who really like where Wills Vampires and peasants and it has all of those things in it. So I'm very excited about that coming out September fifteenth. I. Hope you will check it out now the other very exciting thing ties even more closely to this podcast earlier this year I successfully kick started an anthology featuring. Stories original fiction and reprints from authors who were guests on the world shapers the first year and That's a pretty impressive list people that agreed to take part and even those who weren't able to take part were very Supportive of the idea. So we have original fiction from flair don't forget anybody I. It's always hard to remember off the top of my head, and of course, I never have the piece of paper in front of me with the names on it, but we'll see. Coming up we have original fiction from Tanya Huff John C right, Sean, Maguire, David. Weber L. LD modest junior Christopher rocky. Oh Dj Butler Shelby Edina. Oh, and me. And on the reprint side, there's John Skulls e David Brand Judicia Derek Kukushkin Fonda Lee Gareth l Powell three dyer and a doctor Charles e Gannon. So that's a pretty impressive list. There's nominees winners of every major award in the field in there and. I it's IT'S GONNA be Great Book It is done. It is at the printer. The kickstarter version is at the printer kickstarter backers. We'll get the print version I. The e Book version is even now beginning to show up on retail sites available for preorder, it will be released September twenty second. But if you check out, I know it's on Google play already and as I record this hits in review for Amazon and Kobo and apple books in all the various other. E Book Retailers. So check that out shapers. preorder it and you will get the e book on September. Twenty. Second. The commercial print release will follow probably in mid November because I working with the distributor and. Bigger printer than I would do normally when I do print on demand this won't be put on demand it will go through distributor and go out to bookstores so that will be coming out in mid-november but you can get the book as I said to September twenty second you can pre-order it pretty much now or in a very few days has it makes its way into all of the various sites All right. Well, I think that's the well note there is one more thing I have to say that the world shapers podcast is part of the scheduling podcast network. There that covers off the introductory material. Now, let's get onto this episode guest Jeremy's all. Germany's all was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred five, and he says was raised by wild dingoes. That's that's by Oh. I didn't make that up. He's bit his childhood exploring beaches bookstores and quote the limits of People's patients I. Think I did some of that too. He's the author of more than forty science fiction short stories and his debut novel storm blood. A dark space opera came out from glance in June twenty twenty, and it's the first of a trilogy common trilogy. He was the editor of the Hugo Winning Starship Sofa until twenty twenty and has a BA in film studies and creative writing the University of New South Wales. He carves out a living in Sydney Australia with family. He loves watching weird movies collecting Boutique Jen's exploring cities cold weather. You should definitely come visit me in Canada and dark humor. Welcome to the World Jeremy. Thank you very much, ed. Wood lovely to be here. Thanks so much for being on I've haven't been able to finish your book, but I've read. Delved into it enough to know that it looks really cool. So I'm looking forward to to talking with you about it. But before we do that, we will do well first of all we should point out that we are talking across a vast expanse of the planet since I'm in Saskatchewan and you're in Sydney, is it Yesterday yet, I think fourteen hours, fourteen hours I. So. He's actually you're actually in the future from my point of view. I am in the future. It's not bad here. You know it's another day is don't we have a distorted ourselves aliens invaded not yet. Yeah. Oh, that's good to know. I. Can get up in the morning without fear then. So, let's start as I always do with my guests by taking you back into the. River on this Sunday the mists of time. And find out how you first of all where you grew up and how you got interested in science fiction and how you got interested in writing. So how did that all work for you? I. Grew up here in Sydney Australia I was always a rita and I never really thought of genre in any particular fashion. I just read the books reading when I when I was ten years old we moved to Australia for a couple of years and Basically in a to a small mountain village of my dad's from Poland and. UNCLENCH grandfather had died in a very short period of time you need to go out and source and things that anyway. So I'm living in. Toll Mountain regions of Australia, and for some reason whatever reason, the local books a local school library has a small English section and obviously they all speak. German elast the world that does not speak the language I speak wherever I go. You do have to learn the lug long tongue and I haven't spoken German yet. I was still picking through hat off for me to read. And I. S- quickly developed a lot but then you know my mother is an English teacher and she was very very determined to get me books and so whenever we would go to London we'd always stop at the bookstore and. He's Dino vow whatever they had their like I picked up whatever I saw what was interesting you know there was no as I said, there was no genre or I didn't think of fiction as science fiction or not I just wrote I just picked up whatever I wanted to go. And one of those things happen to be the automous foul series. And then I picked up the gone series by Michael Grant and then I'm picking up a few books by Stephen King and again I didn't think the my sport of what Like greeting and the governor's appeal to me all like the action alike, the jaw like the weirdness and all that. Amend I remember distinctly seeing a Coupla from banks when into award of storms now, thirteen fourteen on something about it just appealed to me in to spaceship of planet. A witness over the technology I couldn't put my finger on like I couldn't. Think, why do I like this? I just did obviously I'd seen stall. I'd seen Myron Fascia of science fiction was avid video Gamer, and so I had a little science fiction but never really thought of it a sci Fi. But then when I came back to. Australia. Out. And when I? Finished Saudi going into high school. I. Took up a few great writing courses and I found that I liked it. Then, I started reading the hall Song of Ice and five series. When I was way way too young. And then I Solo Season of game of thrones again. Well, White Way too young for I don't even think of legally Kuzina time. And something about the whole idea of fantasy just appealed to me the idea of a magical Ronald. Whether dragons and creatures on these different cultures and different landscapes and all this weird stuff going on like that. viscerally appealed to me and so when I started acknowledging the idea of science fiction through video games like halo in mass effect and it just really grabbed me and so I did finish school i. just started writing to the bookstores and going to science fiction. Bookstore of science fiction section of the of the stole. Deliberately, like I started picking up books picking up Brandon Sandstone Picking Karen Travers Greg Bad bunch of other people on you know as I say the rest is history. Would you set the creative writing classes in high school where you? Writing outside of class at the time when did you writing your own stories? Probably earlier I just basically power -ted whatever the Hell I was reading at the time you know and You know I didn't really think of myself as a ride I just thought of myself someone who you know I like typing and So I started. Getting it all down I mean like I don't even think he was. aimed. Thing Roma. Cohesive. Would have jumped in mind. but then went on more than high school and started taking those classes. I did start thinking of. The idea of writing be published in writing to be read and one of the things that did that was reading the adaptation of Hayler one of the video games. By Karen. Travers and I just it was a very. Very very little action but it was a very human story and I just found that I could utilize it very easily because I play the video games and so it just. I was able to pick it up very very easily and I have been very short attention span so that loose priceless and so I started thinking. L., I'd like to do this, and so I started doing it seriously and when I did finish high school I started doing it seriously. But you didn't actually study writing when you went to university you do did film studies right. I I did BUD degraded writing in film studies I. Don't actually think the creative writing was no annual near as much health. The film Saudi Staying Walls I. Think the film studies really did. Honing on the nature of craft and the nature of script writing and the nature of pushing a Cactus fullwood always intriguing the audience always having something on the next corn lot of the creative writing losses. Okay, how do we allude metaphysical imagery that this obscure one thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, nine, writer. was trying to get out probably while he was depressed high and on his deathbed. How can we apply that to our own? Creative process our own if lives and pretty zoned out pretty early on in most glosses but the film studies was quite was quite educational so I think it's very good to get a diverse range of inspirations. Often ask people who have taken creative writing in university how helpful they found it for the kind of writing the ended up doing. As you just answered that. And I often get that especially from people who write in science fiction fantasy. There, it's just still not the genre that. Welcome at University of creative right happens. I straight up had one teacher. Tell me that any sort of fiction science fiction fantasy anything that is just bad. And you could just hear grown go around the audience in some help what hand up and said Yeah. But why? And I don't remember the because also to annoyed to pay attention. By remember that's one grant writing close wet this one girl. Literally showed up to gloss. With. not a story. She just pasted together all these newspaper clippings of the various things that happened around the world, and then wrote her earn sub stories about the Salem witch trials and really, and so newspaper clippings on this big canvas she like collage. But but the thing is that those a massive bloodstain. All sitting that thirty of US looking at this bloodstain. And this wondering who this Ultra Goff write-off this ago who walked, she'd given us and the teachers like what is this and she's like all yells cutting together all these east Pepe Cummings with a box cutter and Max accidentally sliced my fingers and I saw that bleeding over the pages but are decided. Instead of that as just getting a new one, I'm GONNA keep it and I looked to the teacher way in Florida Tarum tear down g should she's like Oh yeah. Conceded there's a bit of an arterial spray on the would pay. As a big big splatter around the would, which is a big clump. Of Hair and and you know you're ready of nailed and you'd right there on the words are the time you know it re accoring back to the blood spilt my generation's lost I almost flip the table. Heightened. I never been closer to picking up a chair in hating someone where in my life. And because one of my friends at the time she who ended up ultimately Beta reading some blood in the notion system blood, she was a filmmaker and she just come off making a short film. That had been screened Sh- around the world and a lot of the actors, some of the actors in the short film of gone on to do bigger things. One of the actresses she's in a movie just finished a movie we chasing clock and Helen Mirren, and she's in these like another inch TV show that's going to be on HBO and you know so and my friend basically helped discover her and short film, and so we both of us had. A background in what we were doing a semi professional background. So we just looked at each Allah. And we were just off men. Foiling. And this other girl, of course taught mocks doing like not even even do any writing she just. Cut Newspapers together and bled over them. I think that if nothing else I, summarize what my experience at university was like. Well you've. Written a lot of short stories and you're not particularly aged individual. So what did you get started on the short stories? That the published short stories. I think when I was nineteen, I started getting research. I started getting good news from at from short fiction edited. The responses weren't just now. We don't want this responses were. This is interesting but we're gonNA pulse as I kept sending them out and sending them out and sending them out and eventually one of them sold for actual money and I was over the moon I'm like, okay off cracked the code I actually can do this. There is actually a way for me to do this because you know if you look at the scale a, you look you look at that wall that impenetrable wall between you and being published rata it looks scalable. but now that I actually had donat I'd actually reached out and found some measure of success at Bruce's my confidence, and so I kept writing and kept writing and kept watching and kept saying them out and eventually one of those stories when I was nineteen and up selling to nature magazine. SORTA and that was pretty amazing for me to. Sell to professional magazine published by Macmillan and to be able to have that. No see my story in print, and now that it's widely distributed all around the world, there was an incredible feeling. Short that actually could do it and so yeah. Just kicked on it from there and I kept writing short fiction over the years and kept saying the mountain I getting my stuff published and it was a it was pretty interesting. I still thinks that I'm a good short fiction ride I only say that because. As someone who has Edited Short Fiction for about six years and has read thousands of thousands of stories I. think There's a very, very, very specific sort of story that most short fiction magazines want. These days although the sort of. Structure was though style that thereafter showed stories and not condensed novels the not truncated novels the not very, very quick stories short stories I think have a very, very specific sort of style to them not just the way they're written about the sort of riders that they appeal to, and that's great. You know the more the more the Merrier but that sort of style generally isn't for me I say generally, because sometimes does a sort of freedom being able to just go wild and experiment will something John, Pov, Chinese setting Chine- of that you know and I'm writing. A hundred eighty thousand would epic dock space operas that are first person voice driven, and so sometimes it's a relief to break away from that and just go crazy But yeah, I don't think I've quite cracked. The sort of thing that most short fiction redes- and editors would luxury I mean if you look at unlike Ted Young he's never written a novel, but he's probably be short fiction writer living today and he's probably one of the only short fiction writers who has modern rods who had his had his work adapted to incredible film That's how good he is. Not only how good he is work is how widely appeals and that in itself is a skill and I daren't thing that something have quite yet. But I didn't want to ask you about The editing for Starship Sofa and. Spoke your both short fiction editor, but it's also audio. Magazine Guess. How has that fed into your own writing in the way that you work with words has been Doing all that editing and reading those thousands of short stories. Do you think that has benefited your own writing going going forward and also how does the audio aspect of that in? OPS absolutely has benefited me I mean it's it's hard not to because I'm reading all this fiction and you know you. You have to come to a conclusion. You know there's no I don't know I like this on on its do I think this is something I wanna buy and give money full Do I want to accept this and be responsible for adapt helping adapted to audio and put it on the podcast is something I've edited I wanNA work with this story The answer is yes on nerve and in order to come to that conclusion, you have to look at a story quarter-on-quarter objectively and thing okay as a ticking boxes does it appeal? To me do I the genre is style dwyer. Great. Do I find the style engaging? Am I do I WANNA keep reading? Do I like the ending? Do I like the approach of is taking you know you do have to sit down and think yes oh no, this is something I wanna. Read I mean we've all read books that were not why show we love them or he kept writing them anyway but doing the short fiction I think really helped me no okay. Yes or no, and one reside Wi- I did that was I read the first page the first couple of pages thing. Okay. Do I want to continue? And knowing, being able to say, yes or Noah's save me not only so much time. But so many headaches because I've gotten fiction that's made my eyes bleed not literally button Clark's to it But thankfully, you know that's not the majority majority of the stuff is is good or it's just okayed but the yeah I would look that the fictional getting and make come to a conclusion either way and it really helped me. I guess nailed down not only what I thought was. Engaging fiction but what I liked no, I like this and a lot of that for a long time. I thought I was A. epic Fantasy Person I. Now, I moved on kind of to Cyberpunk and then I saw a developing a taste for space opera and so being able to know that when I get something. That was sentenced space set in a future or Cetin urban city or something. especially if it was first person or special voice driven always get excited like, yes this is my thing and knowing that are we quantify my niche I think in that really helped me establish. Okay. This sort of thing that I'm into. And so when I be reading I, think, okay. This is what I don't do and this this is a really good trick. This is a really good method of easing into a universe, and so I did slowly accumulate knowledge in that in that way. That'd be less question onset yoke. Next question is slightly less interesting. Audio version way basically works I read I decide if it is something that can be read aloud in audio. On top of it whether if it's a good story, a Senate to a Narita, they do all the hard work of actually reading aloud the Fang and editing it and cutting it together out back to me. I. Just pop it on the show I just pop it up to my. Chief, Tony, and he bought costs. That's pretty much chatter. How did you end up? Being the editor for starship. So forth. How did you make that connection? I think it was meal. Ashley huge shed a first I. Tony. C. Smith cheap. Cart editor in chief at the time and still is He the other guy had left I don't know why or whatever just Damore work there anymore and so I messaged him as at Hey Can I have the job and they showed skyping to view got the later I got the job pretty I'd just a wish everything in my life came to measly as I did. You'd mentioned that you know sort of going through the different genres and seeing what you like in your own short fiction has it. Gone, through various genres as well have you tended to write in one John you're short fiction or sub-genre should say. Yeah definitely. I think it started off very, very much sort of fantasy. Bit. So, you. Know a myth mythological style like the Sky Rim which game of thrones ask sort of low fantasy, Geogra- crumby sort style fantasy, and I still love job. So unlike Java Crombie but that's not the sort of fiction I ever WanNa ride ex just me and I think I did kind of develop more into saga punk. Sort of new age punk fiction like China Navo McDonald be thing. But then I started you know getting more space operas. I consume Alastair Reynolds in a banks Hamilton that sort of thing and I just felt, okay this is the thing that I like and I can. I can I write this and of course, known tells you can all right and saw numbers going to take a stab at it and I did and but I found that short fiction was a little bit constrictive full jeff, the space opera genre specialists on a space upper that I wanted to ride and so. I started developing it more novels and That's your more or less the turn I think the transition happened. In. Late two, thousand, fifteen, early two, thousand, sixteen just come fate riding an epic fantasy a waie fantasy but I absolutely loathed I, got about whom? And I'm like I never wanna read fantasy right fantasy ever again icon stand it. This is not the sort of thing it's not me because I'd go you know okay I just got rejected for I y novel and fifty percent of the rejection said. Why a sci Fi is a very hard sell like science fiction and Hartselle y science fiction is even hostile. And I just come off reading Red Rising and I thought you know this is sort of stigma I'd like to do whilst riding in a fantasy and I'm like I felt trapped by the gene and I thought you know screw it. I'm just GonNa Arrive Whatever I wanNA right If it sells doesn't sell that's fine look a mock it a little bit and thing okay. What's the thing that is appealing to agents and I've always loved crime always loved murder mysteries I thought. I had the ray I the on storming original idea. Hey, what if we had a mystery in space and so I? Am I'm glad I did and because that I wrote that nullum three months it was incredibly. Powerful for me to be able to sit down every day. No matter what I had on and just pour out thousand words or two thousand woods every single day just get it down. No thought of you know is as good as is not good I just aw come back and I'll fix it ladder I just powered it down, punched it out and about three months literally three months I wrote a whole suck space opera novel. And I must've done something right because a year later. I got an agent without novel. Sorry. I'm I'm very very glad I did not do that. was that storm letters novel before storm but? That isn't available full storm lot up because I didn't they. Didn't seem to be mystery novels murder mystery set an outer space so. Now, if not Illinois previous article, the Robie Galaxy, it was about. You know the whole premise of basically what if you were committed full committing a murder you didn't remember committing and so that was as and yet go to the other side of the galaxy to find the answer. But no I, I finished thoughts I'd written in third person and A. Half through on like this, really work well in I still reading a lot of first person fiction and it was a little bit too late. I thought okay. At the end I'll just go back and change when did get to the end I'm like, okay, calm people. Changing it so I though INAU distraught ain't. I think about the end of that year, I decided to just wrap punch out another novel I mean it's even if you get an agent. Having another project near felt is always a good thing having other project Keno in the percolator is you know it's always good to keep those juices flowing. And so I started writing in December or either November December two, thousand sixteen page chapter one of stole blood and authority what if we had? a fiction that was very suspect sentence pace, but it was also very voiced your man. It was first person had an edge to it, and that idea just appeal to me and I wrote that stratton six months and I must have done something right because a year and a half later solar to glance. Well, the seems like a good place for you to give us a synopsis of it without giving away anything you don't want to give away. Some blood yet. Okay Storm Lot. The basic premise is that the DNA of an extinct alien race issues used as drug and it makes people addicted to adrenaline and aggression. and so of course, they this one empire injected into the soldiers them to fight off a brutal invading empire and you know all well and good. You know these salt is literally addicted to killing likley dictate to rotting and I into into bullet storm more costly. Where everything because it's permanent and the High Dan stop when the enemy was ordered by the high stop when the battle came to a close and the day also had these all these soldiers restless and not knowing what to do their embodies and it didn't stop when they will war was over and they got sent higher in which they had these tens of thousands of soldiers permanently addicted to being on a battlefield. And the main premise of this is that main characters won't be solved is comes up from a wool. Traumatized written with PD esteem, but looking for a way to get his life back together anyway the main forces that inducted into the Galactic Empire, whatever you'd like to call it they. They call him back and say we need you to do something for as were starting to do with him fall various reasons because they ruined his life I liked to him at liked him millions of people at the cost of the cost of winning a wall but at reconnaissance and he says why talked to you and it turns out that his fellow soldiers, the ones that he knows and loves a whole being noted being killed off being overdosed. And turns out that his brother is the prime suspect. he's estranged brother of prime suspect and so. As the unfolds, you find out he's history he finally his history with his broadly, you find his history with his teammates and the whole central conflict is that he was very, very close this probably developed very strong brotherhood You know when they will list surviving together on a brutal backwater planet when those evolving abusive father and he transferred that same sense of pro-hunting commodity to fighting a wall where the only people who knew what it was like to have an alien organism actually like squirming around in your head and. Sniffing up your chest and sniffing up your back barn was to be with and you know what it felt like to be in cover and see the enemy charging towards you and like get excited. Yes. The people shooting at me to actually get gentlemen spike the only people who knew what that was like whereas fellow soldiers, what it was like to you know want to be suicidal and so developed a very, very strong personal relationship with him and he comes harm as I sat in finds out, they're being moded potentially by his. Rather, have been murdered by his flesh and blood draw. Andrew the Hull Sandra conflict is him keeping the balance between not being able to heart down to kilns while dealing with the fact that his own brother is rendering them, and of course, because this won't be a good start that you know central personal conflict, the mole investigate danger the more his more dictate to a gentleman and aggression he gets because he's been out of the wharf years. So he's able to control his buddies able to his coaches but of course, when he's going up against skills and a shadowy organization that doesn't quite work out. And so the mole confrontations he gets into the mobile hyped up and the more dangerous he gets and the more dangerous his body get since our that's does that balancing act of keep of trying to get this all done while still not going insane basically. Well. It's a bit of a Crochet question. But you know it still the what where do you get your ideas? So what was the seat for this? Where did this the seat for this novel come from that that then sprouted into this trilogy? It was just my original genius to sitting in the dark room and stinking all. No, not at all I are very very heavily from cinema and gaming because on a very visual person. And so the idea of. a future society is always intrigued me both than ideas level in a visual level to be able to you know go to some central city on a spaceship no galactic Kind of core on from Star Wars and to guard down and all these neon dunk cities elise busy streets that are frantic with a these different alien species and different spaceships. You know that idea is always very, very much appealed to me, and so I knew that I pretty much to set my story and that some of universe. And one thing I've found is that there is very little of. Wars esque Soda Fiction Being Written Is Not tie in There's a lot of you get a lot of alien stories that either first contact stories, old stories that up basically wore different stories at these humans are fighting a war against these aliens. There's not quite as many stories about a six five future society where human than aliens have you know have joined forces all desert multi-species society like sort of mass effect and that's my bread and butter of fiction, and the wasn't quite as much as I would have liked. But. So I wanted Iraq then I thought okay. What about you know? Let's make your bit. We'd a you know what? If the idea of? This, how will we people upgrade ourselves? Also modifications will be make and then I, thought you know what? If one of occasions we made? From, the DNA of Aliens how how would that work and how would it be grefell selves with Alien Biometrics or whatever. But then I thought. Let's make it a little bit more interesting. What's the cost to that surely has to be a cost and the cost was at its a drunk and makes you addicted to getting an Adrenalin spike it's makes you addicted to your body chemistry? And then I saute developing the idea of a brother of two brothers who had a very good relationship with Anwar strained. and then started developing that relationship slowly as I wrote the book but yet I definitely a character driven story to attack driven also I am modern plot. So the Guy So steph did combine the idea of a this idea of this alien DNA with the idea of these two brothers under smashing together and just started wetterau went on from that or what? What did your planning process look like you talked about developing the characters as you wrote, did you do a lot of outlining ahead of time or just? What did that look like for you? that's that's a pretty good question most fascinated by this question as well because it's very hard to tell when you see a finished product knowing what into what went into and I get a lot of different answers. Yeah. Yeah In my case, I outlined the broad strokes. I knew that I wanted to have this to happen and I wanted the Tigers to be doing this, and I wanted this sort of resolution midway and I wanted to have this sort of seen and I wanted to have this sort of off. more or less how I go slid in between that. I pretty much just wrote on the governor and but as I did that, I, more or less figured out okay. This is what I wanted to do and one of those things was one of the side characters I'm like okay I haven't quite gone his voice down Ivan quite gotten his approach is his personality and in order for me to write a character after no sort of festive, they are because of who they are influences. The behavior relationship, the dialogue, and I can't just you know if I don't get a concrete so it's going to be wet clay and saw went back a little bit and did a bit of character tweaking but more or less. I just went you know started going from potent point and just weasling my way through those points deciding okay. With this has happened. Okay. How they're going to get to the next point and I just rocked up one day and deciding no. Okay, we'll do this Dodo here they'll do that but the broad strokes off the narrative, the big conch, the big enga points would definitely outlined from. alerted redefinition outlined and I think about comes from. Film out of all things because I as I said, I'm very I'm very spy film and one of the favourite my favorite films films way I feel like the direct has a very tight control over the narrative of every shot of every. Scene of of the emotion that you're expected to get from every point in the film like I'm a very, very big. Fan. Of some film like for example, the film there will be blood direct with Daniel Day. Lewis? That film is so incredibly tight. You just know that every behind the camera, he was an absolute control like director like bombs Scorsese. All Christopher Nolan or geneva-new you get like something later on twenty, forty nine like this is what they want to do, and this is how we achieve and this they chief exactly that and that sort of thing that I enjoy doing being able to control my narrative unfortunately, the Human Brain Simmons has other ideas and as I've discovered with writings riding to and outlying three. Sometimes, that doesn't always go to plan and so sometimes being able to adapt and figure out. Okay. This is actually what I wanNA. Do you get to a certain point in the narrative and you're like actually my cactus don't want to do this. Well, I don't want to do this all getting better and you have to adopt You have to be able to go along with that and I refuse to write anything that I don't WanNa right because I feel like, okay. The narrative needs it all this what I planned. I can't do that. I need to be a right something that I feel. Is. What I want to write. What is your actual writing process quick. Fast writer you're so or do you use parchment under a tree out in the backyard or? Do you go to a coffee shop how does it work for you? Know. Not I signed the lifeblood of other authors, dreams, and still that into pen paper. No try that. I'm pretty sure that girl from university I'm pretty sure she was doing that. So I am a Rod, I can do three, thousand, four, thousand, five, thousand dollars a day You know when I was riding storm blood. That's what of the Soda Mileage that I was counting out. You know I was doing box full thousand words that sometimes only two thousand dollars words who good sometimes I would write some words and all of them were good I wish those days happen more frequently than they do. but no I I, do typically go to cafes because I have a studio apartment and I have a lot of things all my books, all my games he and if I and a multitude of distractions either from dog or my family or Anything else comes along, take me wife from my little world and so being able to go to a cafe you know for some reason being around screaming children and and you know. Waiting. For that reason somehow helps me to. You know if I if doesn't matter what it is if I'm away from harm I can write. Wars lead I can and when I'm at home and so being able to go down to a beach beachside cafe and you are live at pound at three, thousand, four, thousand words go to the POB pan out if you would. Often earn it. It really helped me distill what I need to do. editing is a little bit more tricky because I'm. I said I'd try be in control of my craft and so being able to be at home and on my big monitor. I think helps me more specifically but being able to get out the role words. nothing gets down like a do when I'm going to cafe or going somewhere public. It really just helps me get those words down and sometimes that's just what you need to do is to make you fiction work. Yeah. I ask a lot of authors that obviously and I personally like to write out side somewhere when I can doesn't but a lot of that recently. But One of the. Things that I found. Another author mentioned this to to me is that. They're fine with a wash of sound from a busy place. But if you get a sort of a quieter place, but there's somebody's sitting coast, you having a conversation with somebody else those words can really interfere when they're writing at least I find that or do you able to know that out in the background? No matter what's going on? Now I I definitely agree unless everything. So cluttered that it turns into a white nor vice. ICON they've Sony's having a conversation right next me I it does filter it. I do have very nice pair of noise cancelling headphones that I make very, very good use of. Its doesn't music instrumental music because words in the music at the same problem. Yeah, exactly. EXA-. Exactly. The science I've just got this massive playlist of you know soundtrack some Hans Zimmer and John Johnston and Brian, and all these other great out of some great music soundtracks that really helped me to steal the sort of thing that I'm trying to write and not a very, very useful. You mentioned editing. So what does your revision process look like you right straight through and then edit from start to finish do you do it rolling revision as you go Had you work? That's an interesting question because working with Edita is five different than it is working at self editing your on project and my editor as Jillian, redfin, nickel aunts she edits job crumby Morgan Reynolds Joe Hill a bunch of other fantastic riders. So she very very much knows her Croft. So the way that we did storm. What one was that we edited the first half of the bulk. once because we we did structural changes as she ended the first half of it, I went back did my editing with edit those changes she looked at Silva sort of changes out that I had made and then. edited the the second half the book to apply the ripple effects from from Brooklyn from the first off. So basically, the things that changed in the first half she then helped edit with those changes in mind for the second half, and so we basis she ended the first half, the boat Weiss basically, and so I've actually had to keep that in mind when I am writing doing my editing thinking. Okay. I kind of look at it as a central circle k. what's the big structural things that I got of changes? A character is a world building is you know the big plot revelations? What of the big things are changing? You know I'm not preoccupied with small things like once seen or the an chopping down an action scene or Lisa shouldn't be I'm trying to think of the big things. Okay. Do I actually need an action scene here because you can? Edit. Your Life your heart out of a scene, and this is actually applicable for something that I just didn't book to. I had these all these different points going on in those one scene that was taking up a lot of time and it wasn't getting too much and so on built it down and wilted and wilt down and Chop Back Back. Chocolate. Back. And it came to the point where I realized. Okay. This is getting the absolutely nothing I've got three action scenes in one hundred or so pages what just talk chop two of those out and just make the big one big action sane and that way I can stack on attention instead of being a stop start stop start sort of approach and being able to do that being able to look at the whole thing in my head and being able to. See, okay, this is what I need is what I need. Help a lot as opposed to going in picking up details because I'll do that forever. Honestly I ended his need to try the far away from my whole hands because I'm just white none another those one word he won't to a spacecraft or ship much should a call it warp drive all hot space just let me change at one thing. And third being able to look at the big picture. Really does help me but I say, okay. I'M NOT GONNA be pre to preoccupied in this line of dialogue from his character I'm going to be preoccupied with is this what I want the background of the is this what I want their. Their their approach to these as will die wilder I'll talk to be, and that really helps being to look at the big picture and hold a big thing in my head. It's great help and being able to do that. Helps me. You know really self interrogate I guess sort of book that I'm trying to ride and even if it's a waste of time, even you like. I've spent a whole day looking at this character. Yes I'm happy with the way I don't want to change it that reaffirms in your mind. Yes I've made the right decision is what I want and that can be a really good thing. You mentioned in your acknowledgements quite a few Beta readers where do they commission most? they came in by telling me what not what I wanted to hear, but what I needed to hear. And yet they one of the best calm inside God's was from a radical Jim Anderson she writes on the Gbi Anderson. And she said to me and she of she's a writer and Orange One Wall Ansi Ward which brilliant. And she said A. your characters the two main characters, they they always class clash professionally, they never clashed personally. What they argue about is always not the job it's never about each other or about each ellas attitudes and so that really helped me separate. That when I'm writing CACTUS. Okay. These people just doing because of a small office polo or are they arguing because of the character flaw and that really helped me shift the I guess from plot. To character and I always like my books, his character driven as I can, and so that really really helps and so they have basically they all did help you know helping me. Get I understand counted understanding of what works what doesn't work and batteries always going to disagree though is going to give you come information, which is absolutely fine but being able. Hear from a bunch of people locate this sort of thing I like this is the thing that I think works. Well, I think that is more helpful than skimpily okay. We'll do not like this or this. This isn't working being able to see what's to keep people's boxes. I think that's a really good way to. Get. To find out once look in your book. How. Did you find your bitter readers? I will need a few of them from Sasha, surf up Ashley from. Field things but did I'm emailed a few of them were told a few people hey, I would like to do at Betari to solve and there are some of their books and they read mine and yet. I just stay. Yet, then that's basically how it happened this entrepreneur lottery outlast the when all people clamoring to read my my scribblings it was just me reaching out to some people that knew and asking them. Hey. WanNa read my book and Alban, ran away. Screaming for the hills. Run away screaming for help. So the book came out in June, it's your your first novel. What what was the experience like for you to get that first book. And see it in print. Exhilarating I mean it was probably the worst time in the world having a debut novel. Yes, well, you know covet Case in point, the hardback got canceled from a book. Bought Reason Giga canceled is because Goldsboro books a very, very nice independent seller in London. Who collects first edition signed hardbacks and gives them sprayed edges. So they've got everything that's GonNa sign the dish of catch twenty, two about all signed additions of all the James Bond. Every major all up pretty much gets you know a Holocaust assign with them like you know I think I've got a very nice hot cup from Java Crombie and some of them are still going up for like five thousand, ten, thousand pounds. The physician anyway. So I got two, hundred, fifty copies from them. They decided to take two fifty hot backs and I got a very nice gold spray tages. and. so they sold out within a week. Georgia. Fifty copies sold out in Axel out within the week before the book had even come out officially and according to my agent, and that's incredibly. To happen and for science fiction author happens all the time for fantasy but let service is fiction early but that was quite a shock to reads. While the actually an audience because it's impossible to gauge how many Bletchley no by your book and people actually know what people are interested in. and. So that was quite a bit of a shock but I, but nothing I think compared to be able to get that package and being open up and seeing you know your name, Lacob Line oil words written in these pages it was exhilarating and but being able to go out and see. Go to the bookstore and as you see it in the wild see ready for purchases. He people walking posit that is another thing entirely and be able to see who your neighbors are is well as what interesting My neighbors I have pretty good neighbors in my name. Jim Skull. Neil Stevenson Tad, I, Thomson and. Agent off scheme some little known hack could tolkien. So yeah I imagine you'll be quite big someday. Neighbors depending on all but yes, that's quite fun somebody with a last name somebody who last name of W I tend to be on the very bottom shelf, which is always annoying but I'm down Williamson's so that can't hurt. On her. Yeah but. It is quite fun to being able to go there and it's actually a real thing. Now, because the way the interesting works you don't actually know if anything's GonNa go pear-shaped at any time being embassy in it's in the while it's a real thing. It's people's harms who come by and read. It feels real feels done like this is a book. That's potus is fiction Canon and were already. and. So me able to know that you've contributed to that that Canon, you've actually contributed to nature. Is is quite is quite amazing. Well, that kind of. Nicely, into my other reverse question, the big philosophical questions. which is really Why why? Why why do you do this and also what you know? This podcast is called world-shapers and I often say that you know it's a lot of asking any fiction actually shape the world I think very little fiction has had a huge impact on the world as old, but you're shaping readers in some fashion with your fiction so Why do you right and what do you hope you're writing? What impact your writing we'll have on readers. I, write the lab stop screaming. On I'm I right because I enjoy I, do actually enjoy the process all getting those words down. I enjoy being able to create something that didn't exist and being able to transplant that. Id of think something that free prior to me sitting down putting words to it didn't exist. It wasn't a thing being able to have it be concrete and being able to try and being able to put that people's heads. Is quite niche is something I quiet emmy and impact people as even better in towns you question I'm getting a lot of people quite a lot of people saying to me how much how touched they were by the the portrayal of Brotherhood in in my book and how much they? Really. Felt for the main character and his feelings and how heartbreaking that relationship that deteriorating relationship was with his brother and how heartbreaking it was to see how what's our hot warming. But what's to seek in gaining relationship with his fellow soldiers and his friends I mean it was see slowly built up and that signing that quite special to me because in a lot of fiction especially between men. I fame as a lot of it's very rarely platonic kits. It's always seems to be sexualize D- a lot of fiction as well. All it affection between men and women. Automatically seems to be sexualize ordinarily seems to be building to a romance and my point next great you know and there's definitely Ron Kimble but I do come from A. Perspective of friendship of of the Brotherhood of really doing what Eddie can for your friends. So matter how much it hurts and being able to see that it worked that actually that that's something that appeals to me very much I mean able to see them. I stab at it the my attempt of dice of portraying rahood and showing the Hawk breaking this of showing the highs and lawyers and the benefits and. Built up and what it means to people, and how you know guilds influences people in how people try to get redemption. Chata do out of the way for forgiveness just. So the people that they matters to them you know that. That they can build that relationship back. Yeah. That's a very messy in sticky. You know sort of topic coming able to see that. So many people have rick shot to me sang much. It's meant them is it's it's great. I mean that's all I could want I mean I could have the well buildings good. The plot is interesting. Twists coming but really at the end of the day. If I can if some people say me these two characters, I the emotions that are feeling I felt him and it touched me that's all I can want. And we are getting close to the end here. So what are you working on now? Obviously book to in book three in the trilogy. Books were able to is. in the sense that the woods are on the page November and the right audience But I am working on that and I've just been talking with my editor. have been slowly outlining what I'm going to do in book three, which is limited scary and when I got the deal white back when in like two thousand eighteen when we could still go outside i. I never asked I didn't end cross my mind that I'd be writing a trilogy because I tried to just get right. My books is a singular product. So now that I actually I'm sitting down thinking okay I'm GonNa do that in Book Three Have that law thing happened in book three. It's quite a it's quite a different feeling I. thank him. So that's what I'm kind of doing now really sitting down and distilling that you know and but it it is a slow process and it's but it is happening slowly but it's keeping me out of trouble. So that's that's always good and have you fought beyond this trilogy to what might come next? No No, I'm not I myself to do that. Look just now. I mean I have ideas. Of course I've got of plenty of ideas and all of them most of them are was you know the page the printed on and surrounding computer that's absolutely non all but. I. Am I am of course you know always having things churning on back in the mental perky let up. But not at the moment I'm just really focusing on making these best books that I can I mean even if I never get to ride another trilogy I just WanNa make sure that these count. So this is where my attention was going. And where can people find you online? They can find me on Jeremy's all DOT COM or at Twitter Act. Jeremy's all or on facebook yet. That's Orrin good. Regional usual places, aunts all is s Z. A. L. said in Australia doing, Canada. No. Not. American soon, account. We have from English sent the. Essa said A. L. is also. Well thanks so much for being on the world shapers. I had a great time talking to you. Hope you enjoyed it. Right thank you very much and thank you very much checking out loud as well. I really do appreciate it. Well, I'm looking forward to finishing it I found the. I found the writings. Really driving forward at very rich in very descriptive and great characterization at all the stuff I have a big fan of space opera. In fact, one of my proposals Dr Right now is for a space opera so. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to to finishing it and then carrying on reading the rest of the trilogy as it comes out. Right. Thank you very much by for now. Thank you. So, thanks again to Jeremy's all for being on the world shapers. That was great conversation I. Hope you enjoyed it as much. As I did just reminder that you can find the world shapers online after the world shapers dot com and you can find it on twitter at the world shapers you can find it on facebook out to the world shapers. You can find me online at e Willett E., W. I l. l. e. t. t. that's twitter. You can find me at my website, which is Edward Willett dot com again to tease on, we'll you can find me on facebook at Edward Dot will let you can find me on Instagram at Edward Willett author and sometimes I even post stuff they're. Also just what it reminds you again about the upcoming anthologies, shapers of worlds It's being process right now to be available preorder the EBA version September twenty second from all the major retailers. Some processing that has to happen there bef- before it will go up but I'm working on that right now and then the print version will be available in the mid November. Widely available the kickstarter print version is at the credit right now. So this is completed project some great authors in it and I think you will enjoy it coming up on the world shapers. We have more great authors They have a bunch of them lined up right now and I can't remember them all off the top of my head. But some of the names that I do remember a cat Rambo is coming up James, Morrow I've got Kate Elliott will be coming up very shortly and further down the list I'm working on F, Paul Wilson and Dr has been confirmed, and there's some others in there as well. So some great. Future episodes already lined up for the world shapers I hope that you will continue to come back week after week and listen to these great interviews with the authors who created some of the world's and some of the characters that we have enjoyed reading about so much over the years. That's it for this episode of the World Shapers Talk to you next time I for now. Do.

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Episode 72: Cory Doctorow

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Episode 72: Cory Doctorow

"Welcome to the world. Shapers conversations science fiction the green a process and this episode's guest after all to another episode of the world. Shapers the podcast right. I talked to other sites fiction and fantasy authors about the creative process. My name is edward role. I am also an author of science fiction and fantasy Are we start by giving you idea of some of the stuff i've been working on and of course the main thing right now is shapers of worlds which i'm not exactly working on it because it's out it's an anthology of short fiction featuring some of the authors who were guests during the first year of this podcast and it's quite amazing list of authors There's new fiction from sean maguire. Tanya huff david weber. Eliadah junior dj butler christopher rocky. Oh john c rights chevy dna and some guy named edward willett and there are also stories by john. Scouse e david brin joe haldeman. Judy scher asia. Funded the doctor charles. Egan gareth l powell derek. Coon skin three dire so among that group you have winters of every major award in the science fiction. Fantasy field international bestseller's and the like so. It's a really great collection. I hope you'll check it out again. It's called shapers of worlds. It's available and e book everywhere. The trade paperback is out there and can be ordered to bit it's not Immediately in stock in some places but you can order it and you can also go to your local bookstore. They can certainly bring it in or you could go to your library and have them bring it in or you can order it directly from the publisher which is my publisher as in the publishing company. I own called the shadow pop press and that's just shadow. Press dot com. You can download the e book directly from there Or you can order the trade paperback directly from there. I've already started working on the second. Shapers of worlds anthology. This one having been successfully kick started earlier this year. Now planning to run a kickstarter for a second anthology. Probably march of twenty twenty one and the authors that are already lined up include c. new fiction from jeremy shaw brian thomas schmidt kelley armstrong re brennan Helen dale susan forest. Adria lake craft. Ira newman candice. Jane dorsey Tim pratt and There's some that might be original. Might be reprints. James alan gardner for example and definitely reprints from jeffrey a carver kerry von David d lene likely reprint barbara hambly matt hughes and sterling and are still some that i might get something from who haven't committed yet but They haven't said no so. We'll see how that all goes So again look for that kickstarter. Probably in march the other two things. I'll just mentioned briefly. I do have the third book in my world. Shaper series from da books is out an e book in trade paperback. It's called the moonlit world. I like to call it. Where roles vampires and peasants and again that set an elaborate shaped worlds where the shapers of the world's live inside them rather like the authors that i interview on this podcast living inside the books that they create Most of them probably wouldn't want to do that. I wouldn't particularly want to live in some of the world's i've created. But if you could well. That's kind of the premise of Of world-shapers the first book takes place in my main characters shaped world. Which is very much like ours. The second book as she embarks on a quest to travel to many of these shaped worlds and gathered than all of them so that they can all be protected from the ravages of bad guy called the adversary. The second book called master of the world takes place in jules verne inspired a world's very steam punky with submarines airships and that sort of thing and then again Moonlit world the moonlit world. The third book is where wilson vampires so check out and the other new thing i have out is a young adult. Fantasy called blue fire. This is written under my pseudonym. E c blake this edition of it is under ec. Blake was originally published under another title About three or four years ago but from a publisher who is sadly no longer with us. So this is an epic y fantasy quite long about one hundred thirteen thousand words. What's a good sized chunk of fantasy. It's out an e book right now. And i'm working on getting the print a book out in pretty short order. And there's some other stuff coming from shadow pop press. I also have a science fiction. Do allergy called peregrine rising. Right to know and falcons egg Sort of a space opera geology. Those two and they have also been working by a defunct publisher so they are also now out in e book from shadow. Pop rest so again if you go to shop dot com. You can get those if you went to check out all my books and by autographed copies. Edward willett shop dot com is an online store. That i run where you can do that. Okay that takes care of that. I should just mention that The world shapers. Podcast is part of the schedule and podcast network. And then it's time to move onto episodes exciting guest course. Dr gray doctor is a science fiction author activist and journalist. He is the author of radicalized and walkaway science fiction for adults. So why a graphic novel called in real life the nonfiction business book information doesn't want to be free and young adult novels like homeland pirates cinema and little brother. His latest book is posing the monster slayer a picture book for young readers. His next book which will actually be his latest book. When this goes live it will be out is attack surface a an adult sequel to little brother. He maintains a daily blog at pearl. Distict dot net. He works for the electronic. Frontier foundation is a mit media. Lab research. Affiliate is a visiting professor of computer science at open university of visiting professor of practice at the university of north carolina school of library and information science and co founded. The uk open rights group born in toronto. He now lives in los angeles. Oh cory welcome to the world shapers. Thank you thank you for having me on that. It's nice to talk to you. Yeah we met. Two long time ago. With the canadian connection i think it might have been an edmonton at concern about two thousand or something. Release scotch when. I wasn't at that but i think in winnipeg at the world con- oh that yeah a world somewhere else at some point or another but that also sounds positive so thanks so much for for doing this so we're gonna talk about The little brother series in particular as an example of your creative process. But before we get to that i always take my guests back into the of time and so i'd like to take you back into the mists of time and find out you know all that biographical stuff. Where did you grow up. And how did you get interested in writing and in particular Science fiction and fantasy well science fiction. I don't think you read a lot of fantasy. perhaps. But i've written some. I've got one fantasy novel. Although it's upending all about wi fi comes to town someone leaves town And and have written some fantasy stories. So yeah a little bit. So my dad was a Comics and fantasy fan conan fan. And when i was little he used to tell me. Modified conan stories is a trotskyist. So you're telling me modified conan in which conan was replaced by a trio called. Harry larry and mary and in which their endgame was after. You know felling. The grand vizier was not to Install themselves on the throne but rather to create like a socialist. And when my mom was in grad school my dad used to turn on the tv and we would watch judith. Merril introduced Doctor who on tv ontario. And i was very Excited to watch doctor. Who and my dad knew judy through radical political circles. And when i was about nine or ten years old my school went on a trip to the space out library. Which is the the science fiction reference library. She founded in toronto where she was the writer in residence and she came out and said you know kids. If you write a story you can bring it to me and critique it for you which is really a remarkable thing that that the closest analogy canadian analogy. I came up with wing coming out and going look look kids. If you're ever having a pickup game and you want some tips. Just just give me a call. And i'll come by and help you out with it. So you know except judy wasn't a torian. Gretzky is but that was like very inspiring and then when i and i knew judy from tv and recognized her and so it was like doubly exciting to to have her invite us down to the to the library to give her manuscripts and then within a year to we also went down to boca science fiction bookstore. The oldest science fiction bookstore in the world and Again in school trip and the one behind the counter was writer. Who was just about to sell her for a story. Tanya huff and i i was you know maybe ten or maybe eleven and i had a dollar and tanya asked me what kind of like to read i told her and she me back to the use section and she found me a copy of little fuzzy. That was a dollar by h beam piper. Was the first book ever spent my own money on. And i started bringing manuscripts to judy and to tanya I had started writing a few years before. The first thing i remember writing was after seeing star wars at the university theater blur street and you know having a really exciting time. Not because it's the greatest movie ever written. But because kids audiovisual material was so poor like david and goliath a few other terrible shows and then just having a complex narrative was very exciting for me really chimed with me and i went home and i just started writing out the star wars story over and over again like a kid practicing scales on the piano and so i started writing stories and started. Bring them to judy and to tanya who bless her socks would would actually like while working in the bookstore allow you know callo fourteen year old to bring her stories and would critique them for me and give me writing advice and judy what she would do is use these workshops or these one sessions as a way to start workshops so she would find writers who are writing about the same level and get them to start meeting together and the you know the library spare room and so on. So that's how i started work. Shopping eventually with the ceaseless street irregulars which you know. It's cross schrader and David nickel and peter watts from time to time and madeleine. Ashby and Hugh spencer and many other writers really exciting group of people and i also started writing Going to writing workshop at my high school this groovy alternative school in downtown toronto and and it was run exactly like all these other workshops. i'd been to. And i couldn't figure it out until i learned that had actually started that workshop to as part of a writer in the schools program and so and then you know when i started selling stories started so my first story to on spec when i was seventeen to their youth issue and When i started selling stories. I joined canada and i started going to the hydra meetings and these were again a thing that judy started they. Were potluck dinners. That would be a moveable feast from from one house to the other every six or eight weeks. And that's how the prisoners gravity people and got involved with tv on -tario and helped out on the show and so really like there are a lot of people in the story. Put the one name that comes up over. And over and judy merrill and while judy was like hugely important to my life i mean she liked me just fine but it wasn't like i was her protege right. She did this for so many people She basically created a formal science fiction writers apprenticeship in toronto at that i lucked into there are other. There are other factors to like. It was the early days of online Writer in phantom and for a time there was a dial up service called genie. That general electric ron was very expensive to use during the day They they used it to absorb their access capacity at night so it was a flat rate to use it from six. Pm to eight am and then it was like twenty dollars an hour during the day but they gave free unlimited access to science fiction writers america members and every sf w a member who had a modem was on genie so all the famous every famous writer in the world was on genie. And it's like a seventeen year old. I joined this. Bbs and was like trading quips. With you know. Neil gaiman and and george martin and you know hanging out with damon knight and that's how i ended up going to clarion. That's how i met my editor. Patrick nielsen hayden You know people. They all pitched in like like fifteen bucks each to send me to clarion all the writers there And so it was really. It was a remarkable time. I don't think there's ever been a time quite like it for becoming a writer. I mean there are other things that are that are that writers today have going for them like our own and what pat and other ways of forming communities and so on but that was a fabulous moment. Unfortunately i lived in weaver in saskatchewan where i didn't have any of that stuff. Never he to you need to be. You need to do a curled which has moved from to toronto. Tanya was actually what my second or third guest on here. So i've had fabulous And rob sawyer. Had the canadian connection judas. Sinead ahead that canadian going on very early on here on the on the cast while tanya likes to embarrass me by telling a story about when we were at the london world con- and chatting and someone came up to her after and said. Do you know corey dr. Oh and he was like yeah. I know since you know his pads. Well you just looking at your bio you essentially attended four universities without obtaining a degree. So how did your career evolve from from from all of that. Well you know. I kept writing and selling and i went to clarion and then had a drought after that i sold some stories beforehand but it took me a long time to the really excellent stuff that i learned there And and then you know eventually figured it out and University was not really for me. I'd gone to an amazing alternative school where you know really. We've been in charge of designing our own curriculum. And i'd spent seven years in this four year program taking a year out to right and taking era to organize street demonstrations against the invasion of iraq. Under the first george bush and doing just all kinds of stuff that was highly educational but not formally recognize until i finally got a diploma and went to university and university was far more regimented and really felt like a giant step backwards and so i got a job. In the burgeoning tech industry doing for voyager which was the best cd rom publisher. The world had ever seen really an amazing dream. Come true job. And from there. I got into the web and never looked back but but i kept on writing and kept on selling stories and eventually books and novels. What was your first. Mobile was down and out in the magic kingdom so it was a short novel. And it was in. Part inspired. By bob wilson so i i went to his signing four spin at boca and i spent a great book but the first thing i noticed about it was that it was only two hundred pages long and i was like you know bob. This book is two hundred pages long as it even a novel. So yeah fifty. Thousand words is a novel like really totally fifty thousand words is novel and i was like well. Finally i figured out how i can finish a book. I'm only going to write one. That's fifty thousand words long and the magic kingdom is a fifty thousand word novel. And you know i i wrote. I was writing on it. And i went to new york. We took the amtrak to new york for christmas and stayed with my cousin and midtown and had lunch with the nielsen. Hayden's were at toward now. Patrick nielsen hayden is of is present therapy. Who's the senior editor there. And i had gone and read slush tour before and and and hung out with patrick and knew him from genie and over lunch he said like. When are you gonna write me a novel. And i said well. I have a book that i'm working on now and he said well. How's it coming. And i said well i've got you know i've got. I've gotten quite a ways into it. And he said if you got three chapters in an outline. And i said yes and he said well then you better send it to me and then that was december and he bought it in june and that was what year that was. I wanna say it was like two thousand but it didn't come out until two thousand and three was my second book. I had written a book with carl schrader beforehand Someone i knew from the well which was another online service started by the people who did the whole earth. Catalog had seen that. I was selling a lot of short stories and she said. Do you want to write a book on how to publish fiction. And i said yes but i've never novel to novelist. She said go find a novelist. So i asked carla if he would write the novel chapters and i would right the short story chapters and we wrote this. The complete idiot's guide to publishing science fiction together. I have a copy of it somewhere. It was looking at my bookshelf. Here to see if i could scottish remember getting when it came out. Yeah that was very good first book project because it's superstructure. They had a real diverse first chorus formula. You know like down to like each chapter has so many sections. Each section has so many paragraphs here is what you know makes a complete section and so on and if you could if you could tick all the boxes you'd have a functional book at the end and everybody that complete idiots. I did right. Genetics demystified which is pretty funny. Considering had to teach myself genetics derided. I always worry about that just a little bit. I have a friend who writes good books about genomics. Adam rutherford whose latest book is. Is that a brilliant. Genomics book called how to argue with a racist which is a terrific title yet. Is your you you move short stories two novels. Why do you find the difference between the two for figure. More of a short story writer by temperament or a novelist. Or do you plant sorry. Do you think there's a difference. I mean there's definitely a difference. I mean at this point in terms of like how much work i put into one versus the other. I'm definitely novelist. I have probably written more words of novel than of short story. Although i've i've written a lot more short stories than novels but in terms of overall volume and i've won prizes for both and i think the major difference is that it's it's about how much it's about how much how much ornamentation you get you know like i. I him at to not to packing for a trip. Which is thing we used to do before the plague. And there'd be some trips where you just take a carry on bag and that's a short story and you've got to be pretty ruthless with what goes in that bag and then some where you take like a suitcase and that's like a novella and you can you know you can carry some comfort items. Maybe like when. I go when i go on tour. I always bring a big suitcase. And it's got an air a collapsible kettle and some coffee and a nice flask of whisky in it. You're gonna have some comfort items. You can have some ornamentation. You can have a nice jacket to wear if you're in case you go good dinner and then with a novel. It's like getting a shipping container. And you get to put everything in it you know we've written a lot of nonfiction as well with all of your interest in electronic rights and freedom of information and all that stuff at you find that the nonfiction writing feeds into your fiction writing both in skill side and on i mean obviously you you tend to have this the same kind of overall philosophy. I guess going through your nonfiction and fiction. Is that safe to say for the most part. Here's what i what i like. It really depends on what you mean by the nonfiction i would. I wouldn't defied divide it so rigorously into fiction or nonfiction or short and long form pieces. I would divide it into what sometimes called stock and flow so stock are the longer synthetic pieces that that are really significant and that kind of stand on their own and flow. Is the stuff that you do for a moment to moment and so for me. Flow is blogging. Blogging is a thing that i have done for now almost twenty years in fact more than twenty years if you count a bunch of things that i did that were indistinguishable from blogging accept. The word blogging hadn't been invented yet and for me blogging as the process of taking the thing that a writer might jot a commonplace book to remind themselves of it later and instead publishing it along with enough context that a notional stranger can understand why you're taking notes on it right what it is that. Snag your attention about it. And that process of writing material for strangers is powerfully. Mnemonic at it makes you think through why this is important to you why this is caught your interest and it makes you big be rigorous and you can't cheat the way that you do with your own nuts where you make these notes that you think are very clear and then go back and they're very cryptic and they don't make any sense to you and that creates a kind of supersaturated solution. A fragmentary story ideas are fragmentary ideas overall that can be synthesized into fiction and nonfiction and so on and what happens is over time these. This solution has these little fragments in it. And they bumped together and they kind of nucleate and they crystallize into a speech or a story or novel or an essay or a book length. Work of nonfiction. Or what have you and and you know that stock represents a synthesis. It represents a kind of dialectic where we're two things that are in in dialogue with one another or maybe an opposition to each other. Get together and kind of duke it out and your imagination in your critical analysis and what comes out is something that is recognizably descended from both but but not Not obviously latent in either. But i think this is tying in to talking about your process for creating novels which always starts with that the way you try but you kind of just explained annoying Yeah let's We're gonna talk about attack surface. Which is the new one. Little brother ceres. But maybe give a quick overview of little brother homeland and attack surface and for those who have not unimaginably read any of them well so little brother and homeland or why novels and their their books about kids who use technology to resist technology. The kids who find themselves and circumstances dire personal and social peril because of of technology that is being wheeled against them and who fashioned their own counter attacks out of the technology that they figure out how to master and wield on their own behalf and little brother is a book about the war on terror so it it opens with this young man. Marcus yellow and his friends being caught in a terrorist attack on san francisco which traumatic enough. But what's far more traumatic as the immediate transformation of the city into armed police state with mass surveillance checkpoints and so on and they are so appalled by this that they build a resistance movement. They they used hacked. Xboxes with critic graphically secured wireless communications to communicate with one another and Build a network that the. Nsa can't wiretap and they conspire together to kick the department of homeland security out of this city and restore their constitutional rights in homeland. The sequel the reputation they have Ends up with them. Inheriting collection of of really sensitive government leaks that reveal a lot of government wrongdoing and they said about trying to release these leaks in a way that will Hold the powerful to account And they they do this in a way that they were. They try to be as careful as they can and they're doing it in the midst of an election campaign that they're running but they're Beset on the one hand by mercenaries from Private military contractors who want to suppress these leaks who've been paid to suppress the leaks and on the other hand by activists who want the leaks released as soon as possible with no reductions and no selectivity. And they're they're they're in the middle of this pincer and the third book The one that's just come out is attack surfaced and it's not exactly sequel. It's the third little brother boat but it's a standalone book and it's intended for adults and not because it has sex in it Speaking as a fifty year old. I'm here to tell you that Being an adult doesn't mean that you have more sex than a teenager that that rather because it is about confronting your life's work and having a moral reckoning with what you have done which is i think i think that mostly adults do and It involves this young woman. Masha who appears in the other two books she something of the antagonised to the other two books. She's in the book. She works for the department of homeland. Security trying to catch the heroes and in the second book. She moves to iraq where she is a Military contractor insurgents using technology And in the third book in this new book she has moved onto the private sector and is supplying cyber weapons to post-soviet dictators in eastern europe. Who want to crush pro democracy movements by you know hacking people's phones and figuring out who to arrest and torture basically started the belarus situation that that we're living through as we record this now and she has through her whole career compartmentalized. She's she's found ways to rationalize what she's doing and to not think too hard about the negative consequences of it and she's finally reached a point where she can't rationalize it anymore. Where the tactics that. She engages in to convince herself that she's one of the good guys have reached breaking point so by the time we meet her her day. Job is installing surveillance equipment in the national telcos main data center and her hobby is teaching the activists. She's supposed to be catching with it. How to evade it and her bosses who are not exactly the forgiving type. Figure out what she's doing and she has to flee the country and when she gets back to san francisco she realizes to her horror that her childhood best friend who she's been relishing. The prospect of being re reacquainted with is now a black lives matter who's being targeted by the same cyber weapons that she herself spent her whole career building. And that's when she asked have this this reckoning and the little brother books are interesting as artifacts in the world because of the impact that they had they are there are a lot of technologists and cyber lawyers and cryptographer and human rights workers and activists who started off by reading little brother and homeland and they the convinced them on the one hand. That technology could be abused terrible ways and on the other hand that the laboratory power technology is real if you watch the Documentary about edward snowden citizen four. You can see that as he's fleeing hong kong he grabs a copy of homeland off his bedside table and sticks it in his go bag and that is one of my proudest accomplishments. Right that that you have these people who have acquired these rare and important technical skills for the express purpose of using them to help people and not hurt people and to defend people from from corporate power and state power. And in this third one is addressed to a different cohort a cohort. Who who got in for other reasons just because their passion for the field and because it looked like a good job but who've grown increasingly discontented with the compromises that they had to make along the way you know the twenty thousand google irs walked out last year or the workers at amazon and at facebook and microsoft and salesforce and at apple who've who have voiced their concerns or quit. Their jobs walked off the job of surveillance over censorship over manipulation and over sexual harassment and impunity in their workplaces and that's That group of people really is waiting to be radicalized and this is a book in some ways for them. It's a book to to show them. What redemption looks like when you spent your career rationalizing your way into doing things that you know in your heart. You shouldn't be doing. Was there a specific impetus for this one specific group of ideas that came together to to inspire you to write this third book. Because you talked about how ideas will bounce around synthesize. Yeah no no one instigating incident really more like that. There was a critical mass of fragments. Right that that You know a one of the things that i spent a lotta time. Campaigning on is transparency modify ability interoperability and And and user control over smart devices that as computers infiltrate our cars and our medical implants and our tractors and our homes Rather them these computers being designed to be responsive to the people who own them and who trust their live to them. These computers have been increasingly designed to extract revenue from those people by subjugating them and by surveilling them. i'm by putting their interests. Be beat behind. The interests of the shareholders that companies that made them and not only. Does this expose us to risk from the companies themselves but devices designed to be treacherous to hide its workings from you to prevent you from reconfiguring it to work. How you need to work is the device that if it's debra compromised by bad guy whether that's the state or whether that's a a criminal or a rival company or what have you That device by design is not gonna let you reconfigure it so that it listens to you. It's designed to hide its workings from you and so i really wanted to illustrate the way in which a world of design devices designed to control their users presents a kind of endless playground for the worst and our species and to to show what that would mean for human rights in a digital era. What did your planning outlining process. Look like and what does it look like. Generally when you set out to write a novel do detailed outline. Do you do the sketchy outline and it evolves as you write. How does that work for you. It's really different but by book Mostly what i have done is written a sort of treatment. That explains what kind of thing will go on in the book and then written the book Use a kind of heuristic. Where at every turn. I ask myself. What problem is the character trying to solve hauer. They're going to fail through no fault of their own. How will things get worse. And raise the stakes. And what will that new problem look like. And how will they try to solve that. And if you do that enough times you reach a climax because eventually things can't get any worse and then that's the that's the climax. I ran into trouble with this one because it went really long. I had a really hard time bringing it in for a landing and it came in at a over one hundred and seventy thousand words. And i knew that i wanted a book about one hundred and thirty to one hundred and forty thousand words so i. I actually hired external editor for this book. A woman named juliet almond and Julia random house editor who now works for the new york transit authority and she gave me some really good suggestions. For tightening the book we we eliminated the love interest and replaced him with the sidekick basically and that was a pretty major piece of surgery on the book and it was traumatic to under no But it made the book much better. It also got the book down to about one hundred and thirty four thousand words which is perfect and it me that i needed to be more Outline oriented for the next book. That whatever i would lose in the spontaneity i would gain in the lack of need for for that kind of traumatic rewrite and so the book that i'm working on now i wrote a very detailed outline and i'm keeping it updated as i go because obviously the for of every battle is the plan of attack. So i'm i'm changing the outline as i go so that i have a kind of as built trying when i'm done and i found it to be quite Relieving i i mean every book in my experience feels like you're cheating now right feels like because there's no way you can hold all the pieces of a book in your head and so at a certain point there's a lot of kind of work being done to keep the book consistent and it always comes. They're always comes a time writing a book where you feel like wylie coyote having run off the cliff and knowing that if you look down that there's just empty air below you a lot of finishing a book as down to not looking down. It's it's trusting that you'll get to the other side if you just keep running and this feels like cheating too but in a different way in that. I'm following this recipe. I wrote and the part of my brain that writes the p. Is not the part of my brain. That does the writing and it kind of feels like almost hacky like i got an outline from someone and now i'm just following their instructions except that someone is me. What does your actual writing process. Look like a you have a lot of things that you do Do right with working on fiction. You were as certain time every day or or how does that work crew now. I long ago lost the luxury of being able to set aside a certain time every day i really just squeeze it in I'm what i do. Is i have a a word count. I hit every day and The book that i'm working on right now it's a five hundred words a day word count It's two pages generally takes about fifteen or twenty minutes. It's a little easier without line. Have to say. And i just sit down and i write it and the thing that freed me up to do that. Kind of daily work was the realization that although there were days when i felt like my writing was very good and days when i felt like my writing was terrible and although there were days or are there were parts of the work that we're very good in parts that needed revision that they were unconnected right that the quality of the work was completely unrelated. To how i felt about the quality of the work. Some of the stuff. I felt great about was garbage and some of the stuff i felt garbage was great and that the thing that that the feeling related to not the objective quality of the work but rather to like my blood sugar and my anxiety and stress levels. And how much sleep i'd gotten and once i realized that the quality of words related to my feeling the words then i could just write whatever words that were even if they were stupid sounding words and later on i could go back and fix them if it turned out that the way i felt about them was was true and you know that was liberating but it's also somewhat depressing over time because it is an don acc- right the joy that you feel when you feel like you're writing really really well kind of gets leached out of the thing once you acknowledged that how you feel about the workers not connected to the object quality the work and you start to realize oh i feel great about this. Maybe it's crap. Well maybe the operative word is work because it is of course work. Sometimes sometimes it feels like play but a lot of the time. It feels like work these. I fine much as i. You know i enjoy having written but yeah so. Do you write sequentially mike. Just you start at the beginning to the end. That's exactly yup. You're not one of these people that are seen together along the way and now nothing of the sort. I do right like. Tk for to calm which is like a journalistic convention. If there's a thing that i need to go look up later mike. You know the name of a minor character then. I didn't bother to make a note of and i do right. F c k for fact check. If there's a thing that i think i might have gotten wrong. That's mostly to stop myself. Getting into a wikipedia trance and i just right with a plain old text editor. You know like not even a word processor. Do you find that you have to do a lot of research on these on these books. I mean you're dealing with cutting edge technology. And that sort of thing. And i know you ve kind of deal with that all the time but you do you find things that you have to research as your as your writing. It's really the other way around. I mean there are sometimes a detail or two will come up like that but mostly what's going on. Is this process of taking everything that seems significant and turning it into a blog. Post is Gives you a of material that you have already researched. So you're doing research for a book you don't know you're writing and the book you write comes out of the research you do. Instead of the other way around. I did write a book that was set in china and india and spent some time there in homeland. There's a sequence where they propose a An alternative way of running on insurgent election campaign and i canvassed a bunch of people. I knew who worked in net roots politics and a young man named aaron swartz who one of their read. it founders. Who very tragically killed himself. The year the book came out. gave me A really really good sequence for and you know that was just like there was just a tk. Like i will figure out what goes in the scene later and then when the book was not i wrote to erin for advice and he just sent me a couple of paragraphs i dropped in once. You have your completed draft. What does your revision process. Look like do you use to use beta readers or people like that or how does that all work for. I use my editor. My agent and in the case of the last book used my my this outside editor. But i tend to use a lot of beta readers i did have some sensitivity readers for walkaway particularly for the sequences in which there's a trans character And i did have a sensitivity reader for radicalized where it's a story about an african american relations with the us police but for the most part it's it's adder agent and sometimes outside editor. And what does your actual revision process. Look like personally do you go through. You know my line or you making big changes or more just cleaning up language. Or what sort of things do you find yourself working on well. It strongly very by book. Obviously with with attack surface. There was this major surgery. I'm with walkway. I decided that. I wanted that book to be shorter as well. I went through it line by line. I just basically put five thousand words out of the book every morning and put them in a new file. And then just tinkered with it. Until i was four thousand words. What i found was that in doing this. I started to identify techs of my own bad habits my own where i would be needlessly verbose and it got really fast. I got really good at doing it. And both fortunately and unfortunately the practice of doing that with the whole book meant that by the time i wrote my next one. I wasn't making those mistakes anymore. So when i wanted to cut down When i wanted to cut down in re surface. I didn't have twenty percent fat at the sentence level that i could just trim out because i taught myself a better habit and often what i'll do is read the book aloud. I find that that's a really powerful way to revise. I know bruce sterling told me once that When he was he did a residency. Out here in la At art center in pasadena and he drove a trailer stuff from texas to la for his his residency and he had a new book out. I think it was carry audits. And he strapped his laptop into the passenger seat and had it Do text to speech for the entire book while he drove cross country and he would just pullover whenever he heard a line that sounded wrong and fix it. It'd be a lot of pulling over if i were doing that. Yeah reading aloud is is a great way. You're just well of course as you to read every line of course every word you don't skip over anything in your head and if you don't find the mistakes while you're reading it out loud during revision you will totally find them when you're doing a public reading later on when it's too late to change you. Certainly harry true actually producing an audio book When the reader gets to them you know. Yeah i actually have a copy of a first edition of mortels life. Of course he lives in saskatchewan in saskatoon and he was at the schedule book awards a few years ago as the speaker and he He opened up to one particular place and made a correction. That had made it all the way through the publication. So now we have this hand corrected copy of autograph copy of life pie and i. I quit it in in a plastic bag and put it away somewhere. Dan damon knight used to do this. There was a book that i think john campbell had retitled the ricky and terror that originally had a title like you know A happy story about space or something and and every time someone would britain damon a copy of the book he would he would open it to the saddle page and cross out campbell's title and right in his own would you talked about the In this particular case having an editor as you were before it went to the editor you had an editor once. It gets to the publication level with the publisher's editor. What kind of feedback do you typically get. So might my patrick. Who i've known since i was seventeen. He is He tends to be pretty macro. He usually will have one or two things where he's like. This thing really needs fix but mostly he. You know the way that he approaches that i think is that science fiction is a story in which you have a kind of micro and macrocosm microcosm is the character in the macrocosm is the world. They need to be parallel to one another. They need to have. They need to be sort of as above so below powers of ten kind of relationship to one another and if the character the characters like a little cog wheel that spins around and around interfacing with very big wheel that is the world and the character spins and spins and spins and tell. The world makes a full revolution. And you see it in the round and a lot of the times when the books falter. It's because they at the teeth aren't meshing because there's some way in which the world and the character are not matched for each other so a lot of the times. His suggestions will be sort of thematic. You'll be like if you do this with the character or and or this the world you'll get much better mesh. Does he work with like an editorial letter that you get or is it a conversation. Oftentimes this conversation but We we notionally well. I mean what actually usually happens. S he says. I will get you in a letter and time will go by. And he'll go like actually. Let's just talk on the phone. That's what i'm used to sheila. Gobert ause my editor and it's always phone conversations so when people talk about getting these massive editorial letters. I've never actually had one of those. So i was wondering what they're like well. Juliet juliet gave me a proper editorial letter. But that was a that was a separate process. Now i also wanted to mention. You're doing something interesting with a kickstarter for the audiobook version of this. So that has funded. It'll be over so you. Can't you know people hearing this can't contribute. But tell me about that and how that came about and why you did it. Sure so. I will not make my work available under a dr ram and there's a lot of reasons for that but you know from an author's perspective. The most important one is that under the revisions to the canadian. Copyright act in twenty eleven and under the us digital millennium copyright act we as creators as the owners of those copyright cannot authorize our readers to remove the drm and so if we sell work that's locked to amazon with amazon's drm and then amazon. We have a dispute and we walk away from amazon and find another publisher for our work or another retailer for our work. those books are locked into amazon silo. It's like if every time you sold a book at walmart. They got to decide which lightbulbs and bookcases and chairs. You could you could read them in. And yes if you wanted to. You could get another in another light bulb and another bookcase for you. Know the The indigo books. That you're you're gonna go by now but you could see that that switching cost would really lock in the suppliers that is us to this monopoly platform and so amazon will thankfully allow you to sell e books without but not audiobooks and they completely dominate the audiobook market. They're more than ninety percent of it through their audible division. Which when they bought it in two thousand eight. They promised they would remove the dram from and then reneged. And i won't allow books to be. So which means cutting myself off for more than ninety percent of the market and understandably mcmillan's not all that interested in acquiring the rights to a book that they can't sell in the place where ninety percent of the shoppers are. And i don't blame them and so i- retain those rights and i live in southern california which means that I'm fifty minutes drive from one of the powerhouse audiobook studios Sky boat media And i'm only a few minutes away from my friend. amber benson's house. She's a writer A doll writer. But she's also a An actor she played tara and buffy and she's a wonderful wonderful voice actor and audiobook reader. And so i had amber read. The book paid her saga after rates and paid the director. Sandra declare and paid my editor. John taylor williams. Who's been editing. My podcast for more than a decade and we produced a really kick ass audiobook. And i've done this before with other books. But this time. I really wanted to make a statement in part because there's finally this pro-competitive anti-monopoly energy in the world. And i decided. I would presell the audio book on kickstarter along with the books. I'm publishers. e book retailers. So that you can buy my e books at all the retail platforms kobo and beyond and Indigo and amazon. And so on. But you can also just buy them for me. And and i get the thirty percent that would otherwise be taken by one of those companies when you buy for me and i take the seventy percent that remains and send it to my publisher and they take the twenty five percent that would be my royalty and send it back to me so it comes out to like forty seven and a half percent. So i'm pre selling the the yearbook pre selling the audiobook. I'm selling the backlist. Titles the first two books All on kickstarter. And i've discounted the audiobook. It's going to sell for twenty five bucks. But i'm selling it for fifteen and as i speak The kickstarter sitting at two hundred and thirty eight thousand eight hundred and eighty three dollars and it was a really good sum of money. Well seven thousand bucks was some thousand bucks was the goal. But that's just like the amount of money that it would sort of cost me to do. The listing and the fulfilment and whatever it just an opportunity cost. It wasn't really. I wasn't really i wanted about this much. This was. This was kind of where i was shooting. In fact i'm hoping to get significantly more because the last four or five days of the campaign or when you get a whole lot of pledges What i really want is to sell ten thousand audiobooks. And i think that if i sell ten thousand audiobooks to ten thousand customers that it will tempt mcmillan into buying the rights to my next book and into helping me produce it and market it this way with another crowd funder and that if we can do that we can probably tempt other bestselling writers into issuing amazon audible and we can start creating a new kind of audible exclusive the book that's exclusive of audible that's available in all the places you know. Its first life as as a discount title on kickstarter for preorder and then in all the all the major retailers except amazon. And i think that will bring amazon table. I think that that's that's that gets amazon where it hurts. That is what they care about and not being able to sell your bestsellers. The best sellers in the field is a big deal for them and then we can get more equitable proposition. One where where we get to decide as the copyright owners whether we want their so-called protection but a lot of your activity is as an activist as well as a writer and that does probably kind of tie into my big philosophical questions that i always ask at the end which is why do you right. Why why do you write and to consider the writing or the other things that you do. Are they all one piece two separate things. Are you an activist. And a writer. You at activists i then writer. How do you put all those pieces together. But at the core of that. Why do you right. And why do you write science-fiction fantasy particularly. Yeah well so. I think that that like In terms of rhetoric and politics writing as a way to carry on the argument it puts a lot of blood. And sinew you on what could otherwise be very Dry academic kind of argument about tech policy questions But more importantly or just as importantly i write for the reason anyone who makes art makes art right because we have this like important difficult to Difficult to stop need to make art one of the reasons that artistic markets are so. Dysfunctional is because people make art even when they don't have a reasonable expectation of a return right when when people are traumatized by he and war and torture and so on. We give them art therapy. You know like like arts important. And i make art because i'm an artist and artists make art and all humans make art. And it's really important to the human condition in terms of what happens when you right. There's there it is a weird question right You know the the more. I think about writing though weirder writing gets because it when you read fiction you have a limbic involuntary emotional response to the plight of imaginary people whom you know to be on inconsequential by definition like things that happened to imaginary people have no consequences right like the the yogurt you eight with your breakfast. This morning had a more tragic death in romeo and juliet because they were never alive and so they didn't die whereas yogurt was once alive. And then you killed it. And and i think what's going on is that we have a an automatic involuntary process by which we learn to model other people in order to empathize with them. That you know from the the models you build up people you've never met you know whether that someone you know on the internet or someone that you hear about secondhand like a celebrity or like the new kid at school you have met yet but the other kids are talking about them and it gives you you create a kind of picture of who they are and what they would do under certain circumstances. And that's how you you predict what they'll do empathize with them and this process. It's very naive and automatic. There's no conscious intervention needed to do it and it can be tricked into spending time building and maintaining models of people that you can't encounter like imaginary people like strangers and like dead people like you can probably imagine what your grandma would say if she could see you now and that's drawing on that model and i think when you read you experience the empathic cognitive version of an optical illusion where the writer tricks your model maker into modeling the imaginary person that is the subject to the story and then you experience empathy for them and i think that when you write a similar thing happens that that when we start writing feel master pretoria read like you're putting on a puppet show for yourself because you know you're making it up and you're like hey let's all go on a quest sure that's great to me. Yeah you're right but over time that same part of your brain that readers us to experience empathy and have the aesthetic experience of reading a novel builds up the model of your characters and they start to tell you what they wanna do. Your kind of inhaling your own farts basically right. You're you've got this the the exhaust of your of your very regimented planning of your specific imaginative process. In which you say what imaginary characters do becomes the source of a of a bunch of intuition about what these imaginary people would do. That arrived in exactly the same way that your intuition about what real people do arrives. And that's a that's a pretty cool thing and then as to why science fiction well you know it's kind of in my dna. It's between judy and living in the twenty-first century and being so engaged with technological Subjects science fiction really the natural genre for me. Well i think you've kind of answered the next question which is do you hope that your fiction has some impact on the real world. I think very clearly you do. Yeah i really do. I really i mean i would do it. You know. Even if i if i didn't have that but you know one of the things that keeps me going when when things are low and i don't feel like working and it's not very satisfying and everything's terrible is the thought that i'm making a difference in the world that this thing has has meaning in the world and we'll make the world a better place and what you've mentioned that you're working on something. What are you working on now. I'm writing utopian. Post new deal novel called the lost cause that is in many ways indistinguishable from a dystopia environmental novel in that it is full of floods and fires zoonotic plays refugees and so on but the difference is that the people in the book have met the crisis head on and they have begun a multi century long process of addressing it. So they're like a bunch of them are working on relocating all the coastal cities in the world twenty kilometers inland You know they. They have high density living plans to accommodate refugees as larger parts of the world become uninhabitable. They are Replacing major aviation routes with high speed rail links. They're just. They're doing the work and they call themselves the generation in two hundred years not to the future and they start with something called. The canadian miracle That that starts after a hung parliament Trigger or no. No confidence vote. Triggers a snap election in canada and Election surprises meyer. The tory and liberal candidates in Scandal and are a row grant maty woman becomes the pm and she ushers in what they call the canadian miracle the the first green new deal the first leap manifesto implementation after calgary is basically washed away. And she they relocate. All of the parts of calgary that are in the flood plain and create a new way of thinking about climate work and care work and the canadian miracle is well underway there. There's this practice of what they call the the blue helmets who are exchange workers who go all around the world to learn methods and to teach methods from their home countries and this large circulating population of blue helmets are really at the center of the story. And so the story the story i should mention turns on truth and reconciliation with the white nationalist militias. Who think that they're not living in a utopia but rather a dystopia ongoing on there. Yeah glad to hear. There's still some canadian content so oh yes very much. So and aware can people. When will that come out. Oh i haven't sold it. I never saw my books before. I write them. I always tell them after they're done so it doesn't have publication date. Okay but my my editors really excited about it. And i sent it to them. I suspect it will find a home. And where can people find you online. You are online i presume. Oh yes so you can. You can find all my work at pluralistic dot. Net pluralistic is available. If you go there you'll find out how to get it as a twitter feed. So i post several essays a day as twitter threads Or you can read them on the web or full text r. s. s. i. Podcast a lot of There are also available as daily email newsletter. And they're also available on mastodon and tumbler everything. September and twitter is is surveillance free. There's no analytics no tracking No cookies and it's all completely free. Speech and free is embarrassed license creative commons attribution only. Okay well thanks so much for being on the world shapers korea. I really appreciate it. I enjoyed the chatter. Hope you do too great and best of luck with attack surface. Thank you very much. Thanks for for the chat. It's been really nice. So thanks again to corey doctor for that great conversation. I certainly enjoyed it. And i hope you did too. That's the end of another episode of the wheelchair. I just a reminder that the world shapers are online at the world shapers dot com where you'll find a complete archive of all has steps odes and transcripts of most of them. You can also find the world. Shapers on twitter at the world shapers on facebook app the world shapers and you can find me online at edward willett dot com. You can find me on twitter at willett to tease on willett to els and to tease you can find me on facebook at edward don willett and you could find me on instagram at edward willett author. Because yeah i didn't manage to get exactly the same thing on my social media accounts you can also find my online shop. At to edward willett shop dot com and again. My publishing company is shout. Oppressed dot com. You'll find lots of great books there. including shapers of worlds which is the anthology featuring first year guests of this podcast. And as i said look for kickstarter in march of twenty twenty one probably For a second anthology shapers of world's volume two featuring a guests from the second year of this podcast. All right. that's it for the world shapers this time. Thanks again so much for coming along. And i hope that you'll come back many more times in the future to hear more interviews with some of the great science fiction and fantasy authors. We've entertained mightn't and challenged us so much over the years. That's it for this episode

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Mushrooms: the art, design and future of fungi

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

24:09 min | 1 year ago

Mushrooms: the art, design and future of fungi

"Yeah Hello and welcome to Monaco and culture with me bound if I say mushrooms what did you think hap- taken straight into the woods. Maybe Rambuteau Oh dinner. Last night it might conjure up images of plump toadstools in fairy tales or you might be transported to some psychedelic memories from your youth. Oh yes today. It's clear that mushrooms of a plenty of connotations and these seem to change wherever you are in the world so it's easy to see why they've been a focal point for artists throughout the ages. This is the curator and regular regular voice on this show. Francesca Kevin decided to dedicate an entire exhibition to mushrooms mushrooms. The design and future of fungi. It's just opened Somerset Somerset. House in London. It's a multimedia. Show that venture from side. Tom Lead a bit trix pasta to cost and Holler to John Cage and shows the breadth and influence this vital. Fungi has had on art music and performance throughout time an around the clock. Basically I'm a reproductive organ on a mushroom fungus. I'm part of a bigger organism and isn't that is mostly underground. Francesca congratulations on the show with standing in front of the boilerplate for it designed by Pentagram. Graham it's definitely illegible but definitely unusual. It may be sums up the exhibition. In fact it certainly is the title of it. Tell us what this is and what it says I'm well the says is mushrooms. Er Design and future. Fungi and Pentagram. Actually were to design a front that grew algorithm it. CLE- echoing the way. Hey that mushrooms grow so in the final room. You can actually doesn't interactive program so you can type in any word and then see it grow into mushroom foam. But they three D. printed did typefaces and also throughout the exhibition. You'll see a little weird mushroom growths popping up like fungi around the three traces. How long have you been a Michael or Mike? Mike Ho- file. I should say I would never call myself and my college I'm say. Let's say a cultural entrusted in my college. I'm much more interested in how autism warriors has been so drawn doing one single subject for me. That's fascinating or how you can see the breadth of different mediums simply through some single object. So that's really great for me but then I also just kept looking at more you discover about mushrooms. The facts are so mind blowing that it kind of changes your entire perception of you. You humanity philosophy relationship to the world. You know simple things like that. Perhaps some minor themes some minor themes running through this exhibition. Then ask asking the question of where did you get the the idea from in the first place. We mushrooms are kind of that cones for various things. But it kind of sums figures of fun. You seem to be wanting to redress that balance I mean I love a bit of playfulness. I will say that a lot of the expeditions. I've done in the past of usually descended in one way or another either the remnants of the counter coaches influence on contemporary life or on technology and. I think mushrooms kind of do both. They're almost like a metaphor metaphor for. Let's save a period of psychedelic but like the counterculture which is real moment. Where politics and aesthetics were intertwined? Mushrooms are a perfect example of that and and also they are a form of technology. The blockchain Bitcoin were based on the structures of my Salihu. So I think that was also really fundamental but my first gateway mushroom like many of do things was for my news. My Sister Sean Gavin. Who We did a show Monaco with free and she started making these crazy? anthropomorphic and architectural landscapes escapes with mushrooms and I kept seeing mushrooms everywhere. Particularly Jeremy Shaw was probably my second mushroom. But it's it's the stage now that you could gateway you can google will any single artist's name and the word mushroom and you'd be amazed at the variety of where I come on and there's all sorts of different media in in your show. Here people might be able to hear in the background around David Fester and this is a a witty ribot sort of Michael logical view. I Suppose Scientific View Mushrooms what should treat go and get a little bit of David fences five. This is a video work in moments collection. Some people consider my kind to be sacred. I have this toxin that when taking it produces this really unique experience a lot of people where they this is the as of right mushroom explaining the history of his Jenness to this about this. It's a man dressed as a fly. Garrick Eric psychedelic mushroom. Basically sort of buried in the ground with a little white headed little red hat describing how he managed. He sees mushrooms which is really fun. And this is the thing. So he mentioned Super Mario Land and all these sorts of things he is that sort of classic red topped mushroom with the white spots on it. The kind of what we call the toadstools. This feels like this is an icon POPs up in popular culture drug coach all sorts of different things. You trace the history back to the kind of demon days of mushrooms. It's kind of medieval bogeyman. Status as well I mean actually the fly garrick relationship in particular. The red with a white spots really comes out of of an eighteenth century book that was describing shamanic practices where people would drink reindeer urine and ended up getting getting bit into popular culture but it was really alice in wonderland and that kind of mid nineteenth century ideas around like illustrations and childhood hood kind of shifted things around. But yeah I mean the fly Garrett Quiz almost. It's almost like most poppy mushroom we can get. Yeah I suppose so. Be Studying and then we see down. `and behind this cost Holloway. which is a exclusive brand of German suitcase with some of these flying a barracks spinning on their axis in here like Kinda like to read Books Spinning Ballerina Judiciary Books cussing holders gotten interesting background as well Yup Colston Hall? has done a lot of work with mushrooms in particular psychedelic mushrooms. He did a hometown show with book. Called Soma looking at the history stree- particular Siberian dramatic practices and the kind of culture and history of fly Garrick. But he's also done huge installations with mushrooms spinning upside down and room. So there's a great one the fun that's any product so this is like a mini version. But it's it's basically spinning solar-powered like powered mushrooms. It's incredibly engaging in a flight case or the Mushrooms Compact up and you flip them up China till noon and they start spinning perfectly practical usable multifaceted artwork. Then you can put it on wheels and take it around the world. Yes if you want to take a really expensive kinetic art work around with you anywhere and just shove it under a light start spinning. I'm just looking at across his first room here. I'm looking across sites warmly drawings we go. Patrick Beautiful Beatrix Potter drawings behind us as well are they drawing on the same idea of the mushroom or are they kind of riffing on different qualities different atmospheres the mushroom kind of can providers typically Beatrix came from amateur. Botany background so she was really interested from a very young age. I think some of these done in her early twenties in looking at nature from like kind of scientific perspective and this is before she used things like Peter Rabbit to form a narrative about that relationship to nature she even wrote scientific papers depots about mushrooms from amateur level. Recycle them ladies were created in Nineteen seventy-two this is in addition of Prince but they're really multimedia drawings said layered and I think he was probably much more influenced by. Let's post psychedelic experience. And maybe John Cage entrusted mushrooms and that whole rise it really happened after the nineteen fifty seven Kevin Publication in life magazine which we also have on show. Let's have a look. I'm so we're looking at Gloucester train in in the middle of the room and this kind of right into the kind of heady days. You've got hallucinogens. And shamanism that life magazine you mentioned this counterculture becomes pop culture. I mean this when and when George Valentine Watson published their article in life magazine in Nineteen fifty seven. That was the first time anyone had documented people using mushrooms in Mexican Mexican religious practices and it was first time that ever was published. So actually this is almost like the gateway this is zero contemporary mushroom and their interest in research and mushrooms changed. Everyone's perception completely. It was actually his sort of communication with Mitt specialists that led to the creation of LS. Stay but they really really looked at mushrooms in its representation. That some beautiful books. These teeth between are put together by Donlon book which is a great book shop on Broadway Market in East London and that really looks like it's very influential for contemporary artists. So this between is much focusing on. Let's say the Mesoamerican that we the second vitrine which is looking more at like take counterculture and center. We have a selection of different rations of Allison Wonderland and the iconography of the mushroom in this. I haven't ah is to do with natural history there. Is this book hallucinogens. In Chambers which looks like something Zapotec or massive tech something. This is traditional no natural. History stuff. We're looking with this before the kind of bugged out I did. This is actually probably drawing most on. Let's say precolonial Central and South American use mushrooms and when the when the colonial invaders particularly the Spanish came in kind of destroyed every single mushrooms done because mushrooms are very intertwined with religious which is practices. Then it's there's only a few mushroom stones existing now. We have a couple of mushroom stones in the other room. But yeah that's sort of. Let's say the Mesoamerican beginning as I say from the beginning we kind of tracing mushrooms kind of looked like go and look at the end wolf and some of the more psychedelic applications is. Is there a particular type of mushroom that illustrators have been interested. I mean this room really for me is kind of demonstrating the revival of interests so this is very much showing mushrooms. Obviously throughout all the representation of mushrooms. Fly a garrick is the most popular but like we're in front of a big installation by Papa. He collected mushrooms stamps over ten years. We've got everything from Afghanistan to Sim. Bob Way it's actually fascinating. How many stumps were created with different varieties of mushrooms in Africa? In the West indies in Asia. Like I found that really interesting. So for me it's really interesting also seeing different kinds of illustration and different ways people using it but fly garrick is still always going to be. The most popular mushroom is the classic. I'm what about different cultures. Ideas Mushrooms talks about the native Mexican idea of mushrooms as something should to do shame in his And finding a sort of in a in a self on Indian attorney does that exist in any other of a coach. I'm it's really interesting. I mean Siberia and obviously they had a great shamanic history of Russian. General had a much more positive engagement with mushrooms. Asia had totally different relationships mushrooms. That could almost be a second show because China has a much longer positive. Relationships say the health benefits of Mushrooms or the variety of mushrooms extremes that are eaten in the Far East is totally different. I think the mushroom industry for food internationally as a forty two billion dollar industry in a lot of that is definitely coming the the more exciting mushrooms that say is out of the Far East but then there's a great younger Michael Logistical Darren Springer. Who's been doing research into African relationships to you particularly psychedelic plants and mushrooms and has found some oral history? That's actually where everything originated from which is brilliant. We're going to skip plus aside Trombley's. He's a beautiful we're going to go into the second. Francesca so we are in the second second room. Now Francesca What have you Installed in the fireplace here so we have a rug that was made on a mountainside in Morocco by PECs in many who are on Australian collective who originally come from a fashion background beneath or two facsimile mushroom stones I RCA Graduate Cold Andrey Zucchini and to the left of that. We have a very registering by Takashi Murakami which was the basis of a lot of his paintings of these kind of psychedelic mushroom characters. And just this quickly on the Murakami it such a motif that well known artists. What do they what does that kind of come? We'll put. We have any clear weather I might come from but maybe can lettuce. I mean it definitely comes from after the mushroom Mrs like Post Nuclear Characters Little mutant mushrooms. That are why but also same time play with this idea of nature nature being destroyed and mutant so it's a care. I'm meeting classic Japanese painting. We're going over here to what almost wants to be a Diorama. These very natural history perfect models of mushrooms. These somewhere between art works and simple models. I I know but they also made so interesting ways to combat and she actually makes pappy match and then uses embroidery thread. So they're actually somewhere closer Waleed to kind of sculptural style. She probably shows more places like Chelsea flower show so it's very particular. She's very into two representing very specific mushrooms. But I wanted to have something something that touches on that kind of scientific organization in fact you'll see throughout the entire show those facts around the room and almost these linear lines pentagram included. That made you get feel like it's almost like we're stepping into a book about a mushroom. And also we kind of stepping down into the down into the undergrowth. We're learning how mushrooms was grow. I remember when you came onto the show last time you talked about some huge mega mushroom onto the growing under the ground. I forget where it was to update on that while you're here It's in the in the north of Oregon. I think so the Pacific northwest and it was. I think it's almost three thousand acres lodge and between two thousand five hundred hundred and eight thousand years old. They've been doing new research that finding out mushrooms and fossils that are even more millions of years ago. I mean it's so fascinating even in this room which is just dedicated Silas Saban does. They've discovered that was actually between twenty ten twenty million years ago and the way it spreads between different mushrooms. Mushrooms have multiple multiple different kinds of sexes and fuse together to reproduce so some other mushroom has a trait that they liked That's useful off fused with you and then take it and reproduce from which is fascinating beautiful fusion. It's happening all over this show in the middle of the second room. You've got three video screens facing each other. The green and the this looks like a kind of the sort of I. Guess PSYCHEDELIC representation. Mushrooms which are Wednesday. I've been looking for the show but we certainly let refound it hit while my I think. Yes finally this is a surround sound video work so actually if you're in the middle of it the sound coming all of that but it was made in Mike almost like a surround sound film. And it's by Adam firm alway shows people don't sing. It's almost like a queer element and you've seen mushrooms troon kind of growing out of the world that kind of ideas around ecstasy an abandoned that come with it the idea which again mushrooms of really become a metaphor for this idea of freedom cultural freedom in some way. How did that happen? I mean that's where the county coach went. Pop that's the kind of late fifties sixties thing. Yeah I think it sort of the interesting information around. Mushrooms came payment of very interesting moment. It came into moment. That was showing this kind of desire to have this huge upheaval and then maybe looking at ideas of both nature and history may be also looking within the self that really emerged in the nineteen sixties. So I'm thinking like Adam Curtis is century was self and that kind of revival of looking within our own minds and I think mushrooms came at that particular moment but I think it's particularly in the past five years ten years that we're really seeing artists. Engage her that seriously. I can see Shawna Kevin's work across the room here. You mentioned sureness workers kind of one of the Picking off points for your interesting mushrooms and a whole. Let's look at that one for its Phallic Mushrooms. They're very large Phallic mushrooms which he's turned into almost like highrise buildings. Sounds like art deco buildings and I loved the idea that I told me nursery rhyme the old woman who lived in a shoe. I like the idea that you could live in a mushroom and then she also developed a couple of this other series which is more of. Let's say mushroom in child or mindfulness. The the main image. They chose which I didn't choose but they chose as for the expression is mindful mushroom which almost looks like a meditating mushroom little character mushroom is sort of a delicate creature uh same Cisco female. Feminine qualities is a thoughtful interior mushroom sheets. Interesting little people refer to mushrooms as Phallic maybe because because of the shape but insurance work. You're also seeing very feminist sort of almost nurturing alternative. I think that's what's so interesting about mushrooms as a form that they can. Let's say non gendered and they also lend themselves to this idea of domestic as oppose or the kind of built environment because that's perfect structures structures. Do you trust I guess the answer this question. Do you trust an organism that can grow in the dark over night and becomes of a three plus. I mean I feel okay about it because it's a bit like a flower. I mean what we know is. Mushrooms are just the flowering headset disseminate spores. The real thing is the stuff underground. That's probably the scariest area. But what's great about the Thaad Rim of the show is really seeing the uses of the organism mice helium something functional and positive that actually can have a positive effect like you can make breaks works out of it. You can make clothes out of I find this. You make furniture out of it and I find that really amazing well. Let's hope for us to the third room in the chef Chaska and we on the mushroom lamp shades. In this third the fun of the of the show what can we around us. Okay so this is really devoted to. Let's say the future thinking around mushrooms. So we've got design objects by Specimen Cox Velocity refer to. We've we've got shoes by Christo pitas and clothing by Aniello Nick. Then we also have a film Jason Evans which was during Analyses Book. Documenting People Picking Mushrooms and Pacific Northwest. And we have a crazy Bana. Google deep brush mushroom and at the center of the room. MM-HMM WE HAVE J. rimless burial suit so as an ecological way of dying instead of leaking all the toxins and our body into the earth. This actually turns us into mushrooms. uh-huh and then we have our Pentagram typeface if you'd like type in your name growing mushroom this do this experiment that while I tried to say this is hype it into an IPAD. So she'll do the full name and you'll see it starts growing up. This is incredible. I mean it's the design of this is wonderful and every single time you type it in. It will come in a slightly different way in the same way that no mushroom is exactly the same. I'm this is quite an incredible thing. So how did you say just for this specific part Pentagram guest design agency. What was the kickoff for this did you? Did you like to do something Michael Logic. Who in a phone? I told them about the concept of the show. And they took it from there. And they worked with a couple Blah Blah China's counterpoint. Ten Rosie emory to develop this kind of growing form and they had interactive designers. Like actually make it into this sort of computer program that you play With but I love it. It's almost constant growing something that's technological but very organic and I think that's a great metaphor for what the room is about. We're using technology to to think about how we can engage in a more positive way with nature as opposed to just relying on technology and exploiting nature. Do you think that commercials. Br Bad press away in sort of in the seventies and eighties being purely a kind of period kind of drug application. Do you think that's been washed away. Now that we see this sort of health benefits we see the kind of models almost as some idea of sort of social cohesion away. That people could be if people were a little bit more more Michael Logic. Yeah they highlight. How important is to live symbiotically with the world? They are like they exist with tree roots. They make trees grow grow. Better they are totally intertwined with many plants roots. I mean this is so fascinating for me but I I think what I really want to make clear in the show as much to mushrooms beyond beyond the obvious psychedelic reference. That People Nudge Nudge Wink wink. Thank of that actually. Mushrooms are kind of a metaphor for so many other different aspects that they have have practical applications but also can really make people engage with art philosophy science in a different way we end in the gift shop as exhibitions exhibitions. must on this. We wouldn't know me look at the gift show in a program but you can some interesting collaborations you've got. I mean I can a graphic ethic shape this good stuff to be had in the final of this show. I mean this one final artwork which is Japanese flag mushroom inspired by post world. War You too clothing customization by Daniel David Freeman. And then yes. We have some prints we have almost every single thing. You possibly want with a mushroom Sri moment as well as a specific collaboration with origins. You've got one of the artists. Alex Morrison to do packaging on their mushroom. Facial care because Dr Vile is very very well-known nature path in America is doing special event sponsored by origins on the sixth of February. So yes there's a unit mushroom facials in their little spat book a little mushroom Keisha in the back room but the trump is fun and just finally there is a point where the as you said. There is a sort of a smirk about the idea of mushrooms because of their kind kind of call Tunis shape and because of those drug associations in the sixties and stuff this show that recognizes that smirk. Obviously I I guess the intention is to go beyond. I think once you start actually looking at the facts around Australia and seeing how interesting they all then you kind of those so much more to them beyond the PSYCHEDELIC. I didn't want to do a show just about people playing with their own minds. I actually wanted to show that really draws on. How important is that? We address relationship to nature like we're at this moment of pure climate crisis and anything that makes people a think about that again or be go to an exhibition that they would never have gone to otherwise his and realize that isn't scary and can be very engaging then. I think that's a really positive contribution. That was fun. Chaska Gavin curator of mushrooms. The Art Design and future fungi which is on now in the terrace rooms. Some house until twenty sixth of April This episode of Monaco Coach was of course produced by Holly Fischer an IBM rubberband. We'll be back at the same time next week to talk about the South Korean oscar-hopeful parasite but for the time being thanks.

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Clockwise 318: AirPods Sucking as a Service (ASaaS)

Clockwise

29:51 min | 1 year ago

Clockwise 318: AirPods Sucking as a Service (ASaaS)

"FOR PEOPLE FOR TECH TOPICS THIRTY MINUTES IT's time for episode three hundred of the clockwise podcasts from relay FM recorded Wednesday October thirtieth two thousand nineteen clockwise ask calendar is enough to kind of put me into that mind space I'm always trying to real myself in and I'm curious to know what you what you all have to say it's just also embarrassing so it's usually that and then a combination I've gotten really more into the habit of using my calendar to set moment things done Jason Howls with you I I don't know that I have a very specific set way for getting things done I seemed to fluctuate well you know how this show works we've got four topics thirty minutes and I'm GONNA kick things off my question for you is maybe a simple and maybe a controversial one but I like to see and now it's time to introduce our awesome guests to my left is my co host on Tech News weekly on the twit network as L. as co host of all about Android and currently this week in Google it's Jay Howell who obviously it's the worst thing is using my inbox a to do list if I get an email and I've read it but I need to still do something all market unread so that I can wow under service do you have a hired Lama that that that spits at you every time you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing what is your way forgetting ooh okay I was wondering if you're going to get it right because it's not this week of all weeks it's not just Jason Jason What does your getting things done or your your task management flow look like I'm curious do you use ABC's a piece of paper with a check mark do you use a in time to remember tasks even aside from just like I need to record a podcast at this time really kind of blocking out time in my day to be to it later but then you know the issue there is that it ends up getting swallowed up by a bunch of other emails that are in the same state and then you end up dropping the ball and comes in apple come into play like Oh yeah I'll use that for a while until I stopped using it and then it's like I don't know what I'd do I'd say the one constant that I have is probably the worst thing many people would it's just it's always there it sinks I know where stuff is very simple makes entering tasks really quick I don't usually and they've beefed up reminders with the news wow that and to my left it is the CEO of Emoji Pedia the expert in all things emoji verse Spook Tackler Jeremy Bird like one two three this is all about android work time this time ver I am focused on justice and just the simple act of like blocking that time for a specific task co host Dan more and how you doing Dan I'm doing well thanks for rolling with that I did not tell you I was going to do this book introduction and you just picked it up and went with it and that is says I am definitely open to suggestions I use kind of a hodgepodge of things so for a to do list I just use the built in reminders APP on the Mac and because asked laughs in the face of danger I your co host Mike a Sergeant at I am joined across the Internet by we know it's to me that is a clockwise tip for you right there Jeremy Booze thank you I couldn't I was going fast now awkward ungainly hole but so far so good I seem to actually get some things done so I guess that works for me Jeremy I wanNA know Ori you know something I need to refer back to or something on the to reply to I will flag it so I've got a lot of different systems that sort of combined into one mm-hmm and I also use calendar a little bit for that and then I also use my inbox but I I use flags for a lot of stuff so if there's a an email that sort of a to do item that you have an awesome system that's going to solve our problems well I am not a fancy multiple colored flag man like you Dan I idiot I don't have too much of a system set up my I live and die by my calendar I put my events pretty much track of of things that are pressing in need to happen like in a given moment and so one of those a to forget that they exist but other than that I have I do use the do up as a way to keep version virus necklace I haven't really used those tools yet because I rarely do more than say maybe set a date if there's like a particular day something has to get done calendar and occasionally writing things down I don't I don't curse it myself though so other that is that's kind of my thing all right folks thank you so much for your answers on getting things done let's move on to our next topic which comes from Jason All right so I was actually thinking about and possibly to the world that you loved technology more than the average person out there when I was a teenager I wanna say that that's pretty much my system is basically boils down to getting a lot done all getting nothing done I'm just I kind of do one thing at a time I write a list of with Microsoft visual basic real basic real basic that's right because it was one thousand nine hundred ninety three and I made this really really eighteen fourteen fifteen somewhere in there I I'm gonNA use it these term very loosely I wrote an APP I I learned how to program the people like sent me money for it not not a lot of people and included one where definitely somebody sent me like change in in terrible APP and I uploaded to the bulletin board systems that I frequented and it was a very bad like a text based APP that was about starting expletives and other things around to be like you really really really need to get this done I stopped writing in capital letters all around to just through this thing from your earlier life it could be any time could be a childhood could be early adulthood some sort of an event that that was a sure fire sign to you things is like medication where do need to be reminded hey you need to take this at the exact time every day but when it comes to sort of my day to day it's just all my events into my calendar and if they're there then I do those things and if they're not there then I have a tendency and and write about them and that was probably maybe a president look at my future a writing about MIT's instead I remember that this over the weekend so I'm so happy this episode Gabe along because we can all talk about it go back in time take Tikka step back in time and describe an event words welcome Jeremy How everybody thank you I had a very good primer just before the show on you've got to get people to come and train I didn't know that so that's that's and you get paid for it and I think at that point I was kind of like well this this clearly has a future in it I made enough money to buy like a comic book or something so flow through the mail but I feel like that was the point at which I was like I've invested enough time in technology sort of figure out how to make something to distribute it shooter it was a mixture between achieving the the solution to a complex problem but then also getting to see the way that an it professional and help people fixing computers and remember learning a little bit from him about sort of what he was doing at school the person reacted to having the problem solved and how rewarding that felt to be able to serve check both of those boxes at once one where I felt like I accomplished something cool and I took that information and started to regularly solve the problems that my Koa apps like utilities on the Mac and I wrote a little article for this local apple user group where the average age was about seventy ulcer I think that was probably one of the earliest science for me that I was really invested in this whole technology thing Jeremy What about you yeah I think probably like most of this had to Pinson early member was going through one of those programs at at school that it was like a vocational training thing where they were going to become a the question was when I was younger I remember having a little a boombox you know it was a pretty small boombox in my room and I would listen to the radio put on what's it easy things in your system and you feel good about yourself and then other days you you get lifted the things you really really need to do and then he this right that on there and then you ride some family had with their computers and then it sort of spread from there to helping my friends solve the problems that they had with their computers quickly became like Mr Trump astonished everyday what I need to do just free full time bill down and then I obviously start with the easy things for us than by the end of the day I copy and pasted onto so accomplished having jumped through those fiery hoops and laying in my bed and the song we built this city on rock a role came on the radio and I remember sitting there and node location it doesn't matter if you're working on your first server or deploying a complex system because Lynn owed is the company you want to go to the song we built this city on rock and roll came on so I'm GonNa date myself with this little story but it totally brought back this memory and this is the kind of the idea behind join just one time I had a pretty not childhood for that so like I did the fly what was the exact time but the thing that jumped to my mind was have it it was a little boom box and so I just suddenly remembered this this time where I broke apart another broken boom box and pulled the speakers nate maybe like you understand I didn't write in the APPS but for whatever reason I spent my time after Alex is a teenager maybe about reviewing out of that other boombox and wired it into the speakers into the boombox that worked in order for me to get stereo speakers on both sides of my bed and I just remember feeling ars list because I never have things in the bottom that I literally never get done that's the system the whole system sometimes it works great you feel super adding get hired a disks of whatever software anymore would be happy to hand around but yeah that was probably about when the most of my friends who are the doing cooler record doctor Demento whatever if it was just like and I would record myself talking all the time and I wanted big stereo speakers in my room but I didn't he used the single red flag from email I couldn't think of what I'd do with the other colored flags either I gotTa look at it I have to look at it I don't need we know you can instantly deploy and manage an SSD server in the Leonard Cloud engine get server running in just seconds with your choice of Lennox destroy resources and Hi memory plans starting with sixteen gigs of Ram and Leonard has a special offer just for you out there as a listener of this show you can head to Leonard Dot COM dot com slash clockwise with Promo Code Clockwise Twenty nineteen to learn more sign up and make the most twenty dollar credit thanks so much well folks we have reached halftime and I get to tell you about our pals at Lynn owed who are bringing you this episode of clockwise with Leno Dot com slash careers now Leonard has pricing options to suit everyone 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a Leonard Cloud Server in fact I've taken yeah I do own my current an amateur user as they are now calling the original and so trip over to Leno's a couple of times to play around and they do make it very simple to get things going plus their block storage is available in Newark Fremont one yeah it's in stereo at just the feeling so accomplished I was just thinking about that like my parents walk into the room I've I've talked about this on a couple of shows and someone in the chat was saying well I know this is gonNA sound gross but there is a way to fix it uh-huh and I like you know we're working hard on it and I sort of put it out there but it ended up being like I made it shareware and pads pro appeal to you they have something of the initial air pods lacked That makes you want to go out and buy a pair Jeremy What do you think and my mom was very kind and would take me to Lisa meetings whereas basically a retirement club and me as a adult teenager just trying to hang first generation of air pods and one of them completely stopped out putting sound and the other one is about fifty percent output Suck on the air pods until it starts whistling and to that I say Nay Sir includes and officially supported Python Cli and right now winnowed is hiring so if you want to learn more about that and check out what they're looking for all you have to do is and my question for you is whether or not you're an owner of the original air pods do these new airport pro air pods probe man I'm not GonNa get that right I love and use my original episodes excellent I don't know whether a mentioned before I live on a bird at the moment doesn't have a bunch of storage so I do currently have my Amazon's well there there's a title now that I moved between locations more frequently these are of interest to me and in fact I've got a pair of and a separate set of noise canceling headphones that I take on on flights and the thing that I the better I guess the only snows so I never really cared much for the fit of the original air pods I'm actually I prefer the ones that kind of locked into the year that have the silicon approach I would love to try that out but you know I'm on I'm on android I don't know how much that really matters when you're talking about wireless ear buds But I tip and kind of have this seal for whatever reason that works for me I don't I don't get thrown off by the kind of like the the the I don't know the press arised feeling of it it doesn't turn me off I always thought the original air pods just like resting in the year it just felt I don't know it just felt weird to me so maybe I'm in the ramp plan that's four free months that's awesome and with a seven day money back guarantee you've got nothing to lose so give Leno to try today that's Lynn owed do I have to you know if I'm using them everyday only on a flight not even once a month worries every day I'm using the normal I gotta try gotTa try to feel squeezed be and go from there what about you Jason Do you have air pods let me guess that will never be something I ever do I was just gonNA suggest Amjad in my ear kind of annoying conceal tentative buying like day episodes in a night episodes and I don't WanNa be that guy arriving today to go and see what they're like we'll see if these are as good as apple touting I also don't really tend to like the silicone ones I don't like the seal that it makes it makes like I bought a pair of your buds wireless ear buds and I was ordeal far as that's concerned I like that they've added noise cancelling to the to the kind of true wireless ear buds so I don't know if these new ones would prevent or not they do have this like vent feature where it supposed to like equalize a little bit and not be quite as they've they've reduced the size of a little bit so that little like hanging White Pretzel thing that hangs down isn't isn't as obvious things are even the nutty friends had like probably at the time like windows pc with actual game and I had a Mac like let me let me check out some cool Sheila Utilities I always thought that Kyle looked a little weird to I don't know I think ultimately the air pods like I've kind of missed that boat personally but hey whatever works for you him but I find that like when I can just walk down the street like the vibrations up through my ears just seem so loud that I found it really irritating really like my job elite sixty five ts they have a sequel of that that that's coming out right now so want to check those out as well but I think this is improvement yeah yeah thank you for your thoughts on that let us go to our final topic today which comes from Jeremy Shaw I'm staying with me Yeah I the originally pods I did not really spend a lot of time with because the traditional the wired ear pods I never liked the way they fit very well I am not a an earbud person so I'm not sure about that I just I wish that apple would make more varieties of headphones for those of us who don't herself and so she handles most of problems but when she does occasionally have them I helped her upgrade her iphone so the it's a nine point seven inch ipad pro the last model before the more recent ones and same thing they're off from my ipad I will do screen she has a I think she's now running an iphone eight maybe or an iphone I can't remember which one but it's she was on one before that was so far I usually will help my grandma she has over the course of time become quite the incredible tech user I use screen recording on the iphone all the time I will swipe down turn on screen recording with the microphone turned on and then walk her through yeah I'm kind of concerned about I love the idea of replacing Mine Damato with the pros I get the noise cancelling got like normally like those rubber tipped ones and then according to show her how to solve a problem that she when she has one and then occasionally I'll use facetime with her if she needs that for my mom most of the time I will you just send I can send text messages that have like go into the settings APP then go into this then go into this and you're able to get it but yeah I love I'm kind of happy that that lockout happens there and then I can help as best I can without worrying about people being able to take advantage of them well ah I don't know I'm not convinced I'm just worried about the the EFEO NFL I don't know what about you Michael so for me I do have I've got the insteps depending on what addition needs to do to fix her device she also has an ipad it is I think it's an ipad yeah I am definitely in the family the tech support representative so you're my parents live in live in Idaho so I I visit them being able to help them with their devices I think that vendors could make things a little bit easier like I said with the remote access thing again the problem there is I don't like the idea my approach is usually just to like work with them through it and realizing that like ninety percent of the stuff that I'm probably showing them they could care less than they probably aren't going you know like your bud so I don't think I'll I'm likely to bias at airports bro Anytime soon although I've been resisting the temptation to buy a set time for a couple of weeks and then return them coach on that like I'm always totally happy to do that because usually way easier for me to kind of get in there and figure things out than it is for them to just like live with it and everything him about once a year sometimes twice a year and at this point you know it's pretty common ritual like they they basically just like create a list that like I'm parents they use ipad the primary device and subtly super easy for them they love it but I'm just wondering where the any of you maintain the old in some way or or like let air through so it doesn't feel like as he also that kind of appeals to me and I liked the idea that it it can sort of figure out what the right fit is like which the dirt users of their technology over the years and the the complications that arose have become a lot less so I'm happy with that approach and that seems to be working realized I don't need to use an alas daily to know kind of the the the thought processes behind how these illnesses are created because I'm always able to figure it out in the past that I did not remember what looked like on it and so it was harder to sort of walk through the process but now that she's on a modern phone we have the same operating system and I will say both my parents they're on Iowa's they have iphones obviously I do all that android so I'm all all android but I'm really happy that tips you WANNA use for it so that all appeals to me I have a pair of noise cancelling bose headphones that I really liked for traveling but I tend to be an over over the year headphones macbook Pro I think we bought him a macbook pro and then they each have iphones that my father pretty much never has but my mom actually uses her is hard I agree with Mica that like having some sort of remote screen viewing and I've tried to set up solutions for that over the years using both when there used to be screen sharing via I chat my parents live about half an hour away so I get it smaller lists more frequently and so my mom has an IPAD ended I mack my dad has on her ipad quite a bit so I spent a lot of time updating stuff when I go over walking them through doing certain situations and they'll do some phone stuff as well but that one is so what apple is doing something right there I am unsurprisingly also the text for person for my family I get the list of things to do as well and histories can approve this in our family that over time they get certain things that I thought they would never get so you know they've gotten to be way of someone getting an email that leads to a fishing thing where suddenly they're letting anybody into their device and that's that's kind of scary so in a way there were there was a more integrated help feature to help people walk through doing stuff that maybe just like I'll a couple steps beyond their comfort zone the classic Mac Os had a really robust help system and I used to pour through all those documents and certainly the Max still has that but I think probably run into if they were on some random android phone so you know and it keeps me Kinda clued in on how to troubleshoot IOS devices which makes on the Mac and then when they're using setup like screens I think one of the best virtues of the MAC and the sort of Harkens back to the Jason Topic about when you were they're on Ios because quite frankly it's it's button down to a point that they encounter far fewer issues I believe with Ios and I think the results may be pretty mixed when that happened so I wish there was a more robust helps system in a lot of these more modern pieces of technology because I think too often because I think that people do tend to learn a lot about those things by doing them and certainly you can go online and Google but like your it's probably not going to change a whole lot about how they behave or on the internet or you know their their practices that sort of stuff but I feel like overtime S. has never quite offered that in part of it is because Apple Lakes to project that image of how simple and easy things are and it's true it's certainly pretty easy but I I really wish those companies assumed that everybody is a certain degree of savvy whereas some people just you know they need a little bit more of a helping hand to walk through some of this stuff so would love to see an investment in we're bringing you this episode of Clockwise Kensington these are the people who make universal docking stations that resigned to increase productivity you can get access you know for formative experiences with tech one of the ways I learned the most about how to do things in tech was self taught but it is so much of it was the fact that three decades three decades of experience in high 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Performing miracles on a tennis court: R4/QF catch-up feat. Federer 7MP heroics; Djokovic routines Raonic; Wawrinka-Zverev + Nadal-Thiem previews; Barty marches on to Kenin SF; Halep + Muguruza ready for battle; McEnroe + Navratilova court controversy

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"Thank you ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the passing show. Ten book by fans for fans with Jolan came today. We're going to be looking back on the quarterfinals and forefront action at the Australian Open way halfway through the quarterfinal stage for the men and women. We're GONNA start came with talking about the action from today and I feel like there's any one place we can really start a not as federal versus Tennyson Grin. How enough did Roger Federer that match the winner? Because he says what down. I just thought well this is say he. He was seven. Match points down you know an array but I didn't how on Earth still in the tournament having saved seven match points. Pretty incredible especially he was sita's seemed to be suffering. I think it was a growing issue and really limiting him at all. I don't know how he managed to come through and then and then when it in faith it's I mean I dated what's left for his match against Djokovic and there's vinyl but I mean what about. I was tight city not expecting what we saw last night. Auto well I actually. I think I feel like A. I'm not completely surprised because I think over the last few matches starting obviously with with John Millman and in which policies that wrong we went on the website. I heard you pronounce that. And they definitely showed the federal yes. The first two rounds were very routine but since then the those players have shown federal does have a vulnerability and I think sanguine as well it just showed. The federal is is vulnerable this tournament and I think that vulnerability is interesting because it through our Roger Federer the I think we normally really kind of associate with because I think when we think about Roger Federer who think Wimbledon we think style and elegance and class on it on a tennis court but but really this match against Sangre it was. It was a complete opposite. Wasn't it was great. Say wasn't playing good tennis and it was just you know he just needed to find your shanking Shankar. As as many lighter refer to mass era. Yeah he became very. I'd say a warning from the Empire for audible obscenity which we don't see very often from federal so I guess that was tantamount evidence. Zongren was getting under his skin. I suppose I'm not really surprised that difficult test but I just I just think the manner of and the fact that sangram associate incredibly she winning and federals escaped a radio. Talk much yet again. It's it's amazing. These into office having survived Millman annouce angered at. I mean it's it's testament to to Federer. Actually we don't often maybe think of him as being a real gutsy fighter in the same way that we would have that we think of Rafeh but it just goes to show that he does what he needs to do and he gets the job done even if he's you know struggling physically and you know we we saw the USA from when he played Dimitrov and lost lost that one hit back she You know he came out afterwards and said that he it might be okay after a couple of days so we don't know what his his fitness scenes physical situations like this groin issue in the semifinal so we conserve ruled out that he's going to be a complete gonNA. I know you've said Joe that you think you'll be demolition job against which I don't think it's going to be a competitive but maybe maybe it won't be a complete white wash but yeah I mean I just think fed funds while I can't imagine what stress they were under willingness final. I mean we'll we'll see because as you said. He looks like he has some sort of groin injury. We we do know Federer as a player who I think. He's never retired from tennis today. Believable that was That was his his record. He's never single never ever retired From a well fifteen hundred matches. He's played in his career over. Never saw it. I didn't genius and EBA that starts crazy and yeah and of a status being banded around you know this is the first time federal. His first five matches at slam have always against players ranked outside the top forty and this might very well be his toughest Through to the semi finals I in terms of the closest. Which is you wouldn't put together new. I was thinking I always the community upset on paper. He's had one of the easiest routes three two semifinals of a grand slam inscribed playing plays outside the top forty but at the same time. It's almost been one of his is one of one of his mice crappiest because yeah he's had to really fight it from the brink of defeat on on multiple occasions against you know millman and now now angered and say you know we shall see but yeah his opponent will be done. Novak Djokovic hoist came through Cape through the needles reign on its rocket ship apologies. We'll get some point came through straight-sets. I don't think he's lost. Ever against ten wins from ten. I mean to be honest came. I feel like the only the only thing that was going to defeat Jakovich. Today was his issues. In the third and has taken medical timeout Ni squinting and looked bit. Looks tiny bit concerned as winter? Tie-break in the third set of thought. Oh maybe meal Shkodra you know. Just SNEAK SNEAKER SET. But it wasn't debate. I think it was like seven water break so yeah completely straightforward Jovovich and. He's now into the semi finals for the teens. Time and I don't think he's ever lost a semifinal or final at the Australian Open correct me if I'm wrong but I think when he gets to the stage he as you know I mean. He's looking good for an eighth try to Isn't hey it's it's just par for the course Yeah I think he. He came through. He did what he needed to do. I think Miller says he's giving himself a good account of themselves this tournament. Because yeah we what really talking about him. Even as kind of like the the the the best Canadian player He thought was going to say this but some I think he's giving him really good count of his. I'd just say that Jovic zombies got his number like he does odd lots of other opponents. Because I was reading jokes. Which is now defeated. Twenty-one opponents on ten or more occasions at toll level unnecessarily any four players that have lost more matches not one then around it and they are Gilman Fees Jeremy Shaw D and under sappy who have terrorised terribly three rounds at road and Garros overly eight three as an array. Can you imagine paying fees sixteen sixty one with the short ether need? Sepe twelve times one hundred percent so yet but yeah we do have a Roger Versus Novak semifinal. That's the fiftieth time. That they're gonNA meet and Djokovic has a slight edge twenty six to twenty three Came as well as we said on twitter. I genuinely think this is going to be a demolition job. I think I'm already convinced is going to be. I mean if they federal tons up on court because I don't think that's a guarantee to a out. He's not retired from an expert. He has ashim withdraw before match. But I didn't see him not turning up. I would have to be very bad for that to happen because you never know what's going to happen on the go. I'm not sure it's going to be a demolition or it might be like a small accident a giant but into like car crash just yet we see it being four sets four. I can't even say there's a playing up again. Irit he called C and he even see the ball. I mean federal did win their loss meeting the two. And that's a different ballgame completely rayleigh but obviously Wimbledon final. The last time they met in Islamic that was a crazy match. So we a I tell you wanna say a completely predict because we seen some unpredictable. Things Happen Storman say by shame that will be Thursday night session. So yeah it will be. I think that will help somewhat in federal recovery having the night session mercy's but it's yeah. Let's let's look at what's happening tomorrow so we've not Makoto finals. Let's start with verify against this is perhaps cold front. We didn't expect as Veritas made it through. He's the only Mayo player to go through without dropping a set. Which I certainly is is I was not for saying that A member on our preview. Poed we would just achieving. He wouldn't even get to like the fourth round looking. Say Yeah Lady was going to be a walkie walking seen to draw. I mean he had absolutely no form in the cup. Think he lost all his matches. He was on the blink serving double votes left right and center. But I don't know I don't know what happened. Was it whether you know? The magic spray has been applied but Yeah he's just been on really good form and just coming three players. You would expect him to be up to love with minimal fuss. And then yeah. I think I think that three that straight-sets against rebound for me. That was almost kind of his. That was a statement victory because of how little fuss that he took care of a player. Probably the most informed player known the season in the season upset with two titles. So yeah I think I could go either way to be on it. Yeah I think I still would give stand the edge. Just purely because of his grandson experiencing easy. He's won three ground slobs. He's being stage many times before but I think are feeling quite relaxed. I think he's just probably maybe men's leaders in place at the moment and people won't be. I think people most people will be expecting Stan like as the favourite so I think it's very probably wouldn't put too much pressure on himself. But it's intriguing match-up did I think when you know where the revenue that he was going to donate. If he won the tournament he was going to donate prize. Money or the prize money to the bush fire appeal and I love how you know the the reaction to begin with like. He's just doing that because he knows he gets. The final alleging pay the tone has changed and I think a testament to that is going back to serve. Acp HE SAT thirty-one double foes in seven sets at the ACP and so far in Melbourne. In twelve cents. Ten double votes so yeah. He must've been. He must have been working on his serve and for me. Almost like is the barometer for his performance. If you serve is working You know he's a force to be reckon with if you serve is off the boil then you know. It's a quick end in kind of a quick defeat so I think that will be. You know the shot that I think is going to kind of potentially decide. The outcome of of he gets to the semifinals. But I actually. I'm thinking about in in that match because as I said I think he's had less time on call I think things going right. I mean is. It is life that he feels very happy and positive. And Yeah I I kinda Pat Kim to kind of The beverage has got the experience. But I'm going to buy if he does go on to win the title. He should credit. Belinda bench for improvement is because she was the one that cooed him out on twitter saying he should take day. W Yeah I mean. It's just Stan you yes I I can say going both ways of space but I think stan winning over Medvedev. I think that was already like key indication for me the Stan might be on something here on a row. I think it's quite I think he's quite pleased that he's able to dispel a method to heavy new world number four. I think Stan sees himself eat. I really in that position like just behind the big three and I think by beating method if he's trying to prove your point the actually. I'm the next thing after the big I don't know I just I. Don and also everyone left in the tournament. I think the only way that maybe joke rich could not win. The I-I-I would be Estan went on a road and beaten in the final. You know he seems to be the the bogeyman for Joe Kovic Insomnia but yeah I mean that one. Yeah it's who did I call it really protect. I'm still gonNA go Stan And then also we've got rougher against Dominic team in the quarterfinal which again I I would say rougher low people are actually going team on this I think because we saw teams former hardcore the last year especially ATP finals he was very very impressive and then the last time that he met rougher in Assam on a holiday was that match the USA. Twenty eighteen. I think it was. Yeah it was in the I think and either refer edged tiebreak but without without was incredibly face and if that team shows up in that form again well rough was gonNA have to reckon with yeah. It's it's not one because e C Nidal versus team anything. Oh that's you know. That's a clay-court clay-court matchup attach actually the the That match on the hard courts flushing meadow. Just showed you what show they can put on for the fans On a hardcore as well and I think that is testament obviously to dial and how well he plays across all the different but you know how much dominate team has improved on hardcore. The fact that he can he can bring it to the big three on on. Different surfaces now is not just not just clay core and yeah. I think I could see that very easily going nick. Going five sets I think similar to vary ever wasn't I wasn't that she expecting to be at this stage in our previous. If anyone was listening we did say that. We didn't see team getting to the quarters. I both involved. Then either. Republican defeat Raffarin. Then I'll just famous last words. Tell me he was. He was two sets to one down again. Yeah Yeah I mean in the second round and I think I mean he yeah. I still think he can kind of blow hot and cold in a match and if he does against someone of Nidal's caliber. Are you really going to be able to control back into it so I still? I still probably will back in the dial. I think he's looked very good. This week and Yeah I kind of seeing the Dow I think in the Dow Zverev semifinal today with Adnan Novak fed familiar. Yeah Okay I. I'm going to say rather Stan Navy Fed. That would be right by indeed. Yeah let no so. Just just Auden on the rougher Kiro snatch what did you make of that because as I mean I'm just relieved. That Rafa came through that as Rafael. Especially when he he served for Nick break back in so Gauche and then I think the third set tiebreak curiel stop who foch's and then rough accessible boozman set point. Oh so that helped me quite tense but you know I thought that was. It was school right into their Wimbledon. Wimbledon wasn't Wimbledon animosity and aggressions happening and Carol aimed. That shows at Rafeh. Didn't pay and there was. This seemed much more pleasant and it was. It was leading for me. I know a lot of people. Love kind of the aggravation genuinely was getting into that much thinking. It's only a matter of time before you. Asset net the net and carry us. We'll hit bodyshop but that sort of that was not really so of moment that to kind of light you know ignite the the the match and it just. Yeah just kind of played out as a tennis match. That was really competitive. Ready Fun to watch. You know mustard need that so of controversial element to it because it was so you can feel the tension in the atmosphere and I think the Dow will be happy that you had someone like curious as a test in round four because I think he yeah I agree and I think not putting him in puts him in really good stead for his. You know his quarter-final Against Against Team. Because yeah just think he needed that. He needed a test. I thought it was interesting. Outs came out of it. You know in the press conference You know he said which I thought was quite interesting. He said he over the course of the last couple of weeks. He's he's made progress. Not just as a tennis but I came but as a human being and know. Have we see the curious this season or deep d- by that came or Akzo safer? He hasn't done anything to he's not done anything. Naughty has say maybe this six months sort of probationary ban the gave him Has has helped. I think that will be ending. Well probably around now. I know that was applicable to eighty percents not not ATF. But Yeah I think maybe the bushfires he's been he's playing sort of four in eight because he was playing for his country and hey you know. That's been a big motivator. You know he was going on in his country so I don't know I thankfully he's turned a corner. I mean he said I think is going to need it because what he how is being behaving safer hasn't hasn't helped him. You know progress any further. You know in Slam. So He's needs to change his attitude to to get tha latter stages of slams as an and I think I think he could climb back into the world's top twenty next week and you know the high he goes up in the rankings. The moral attention he's GonNa get and I think it would almost be better for him if he just kind of yet focused on his tennis. Because you know the the stakes will be higher and the ad is it's is I still think we're GONNA get some flash moments but I think he we've seen. We've seen the good side of nick carrier so now I hope it. I hope it continues because I think he's showing what I credit to the tool to tennis Australia. He can base. I be shameful misconduct Ruin it once. Probation is over and he does gets defaulted or something or other. Yeah let's let's wait and see but some kind of rounding up the men's side of the draw. We're GONNA take quick at right now and we'll be back to discuss the women's side so joe. We've got the first of Our Lady's semi finals set ash party world number-one and Severe Kenan is fourteenth seat. Take any of us. Had this all predictions okay? Yes Bharti taking we saw Kenan but cannons. Come through the action of the Joel that obviously had Serena Williams namely Asaka et Cetera. So let's let's begin with Bharti you know we saw a rematch of last year's quarter final with her and Patrick Uva very different kind of state of affairs. This time round they balked is now the world number one actually had lost three matches with Mitzvah. Balti- bought is beaten her whereas before she had never beaten associates really kind of turn their head to head and lost your. She lost in straight sets this year. She she beat in straight sets. Close I set for winter. Brain Cup was playing lights. How could we should've yes sir? Media Party and how much of a fighter fight shares? I think the turning point of that match was saying I think will be kicking herself. I think she had set point as well. Yeah she should. I think she should have won that first set party. You know as I said Tula credit was able to kind of just kind of keep access to data mouzina able to Tanabe on the tiebreaking and basically row rowed away. How much Balti- has has improved within the space for year like this. This kind of match really showed yeah. She's the first strain women to reach the semi says since one thousand nine hundred eighty four. So she is making history for Australia. Obviously the whole nation is she behind in her next match thanks to matches. They're hoping and yeah she's paying cannon next. I think they in Kenan has beaten dotty before. Kennedy's a player. That is is scared of of March. She she will fight into the bitter end in chase everything down so I think it's a walk in the park on Thursday. I think it could go three sets. I think she's going to have to assume thing and dictate I would give Aussie the edge. She's see come through a tougher draw. I would say that. Then Kenan and Kenan should be Biden's ewbal in heckled final and actually on on that point on cannons drew. I was looking at it earlier. I don't actually think she's played a seeded player to reach in the semi finals. So definitely making the most of what on paper is probably quite a quite a nice stroll. Think the funny thing. Is You know we were talking preview about at American getting You know the savvy. Fido's upset the flight of Australia. Diepen but we were talking about Serena Williams. We were talking about sophisticated You know it just shows you as you know as we kind of keeps saying. Is this season. I lost season about the strength in depth of women's tennis full. You know the United States yet. I it's it's you know. It really is really is going strong at the moment identity. How they gonNA pick the Olympic spots per that is going to be an absolute rascal racing itself because yeah that's just seems to be you know. There's just seem to be kind of pushing each other to do to do that. Best in the Kennan. Kenan will be tough. I think you'll be kind of a thing that contrasted says I think quite similar in terms of you know that just sticking get every ball back and they go great kind of presence all around the coal. So yeah think you'll be think he'll be an interesting one. I think he'll be kind of tight to yet but I kind of economic policy the edge you know given her experience and I'm not an east on if he can is by Australian crowd. But you'd still kind of John Can. She is one victory away from from breaking into the top ten so she does could off. An upset reached the final shelby. The top ten. But I mean I feel like it's any amount of time. Maybe before she gets to the top ten any way but yeah and just on Ziebel That match with with Kenny straight-sets but it was closer than than maybe the scoreline suggests she did. Have quite number of breakpoint. Skins can manage. Save Pretty Much. All of them Barjuan am I think she's going to break into the top fifty When the new rankings are released next week so that's a reward effort shutter like? She's she's GonNa again hopefully storming up these rankings. In she got a call from the extreme I I our woman to reach this stage of a Grand Slam and yeah definitely definitely very proud achievement for her over the lost. The last week will say so. Our money's on Balti who who is going to be in the other semifinal let's go Chico Sparta's being tight Murray Semaine how F- against a nets cultivate Hallett's looking to reach semi finals for the second time in three years she overcame Elise Merton six four six four in the last round whereas comtemplates other into the scale. This is her first called final offer slam. So she is in unheralded territory have no idea whether she's GonNa Crumble in the spotlight or whether she's going to pull off an upset she's never beaten Hallett before but they haven't played in three years so he names you back highlight about the go to the ground the grand grand champion nothing I think how his gone three the jewel quite you know with minimal fuss and I think that is gonna put her in good stead for for quarterfinal So yeah interesting. That cultivates coaches. Nigel says his father-in-law kings is is that actually he had a nasty incident a couple of years ago. Yeah I remember that Kim collapsed. When he was in the box was he was he coaching. Was He coaching vanity? Show the time and he sort of paused our or collapsing in her box and had to be rushed off the hospital. What year it was it was. Coffee is a and he said apparently that he he didn't they had a cardiac arrest or something but he collapsed and he said he thought it was because he d to the law of Sushi in the toxins from the Sushi had built up in his system and causing him to collapse. Which I've I've never heard of that happening before from Sushi but he must've been easing over. Yes so you'd have to put your money on Halloween content she. She obviously was amazing. Form Against Belinda Bench. But her loss round against sweet. It was a very close match. So I'm I'm gonNA give the edge to highlight but she she my pre-tournament favourite so. I'm still hoping that she'll come through on the other side well identical final Mugabe a resurgent mcgary collapse against Shankar. So I think this one for me. I'm GONNA give the edge to Megara just purely again because of her experience around psalms she's being at this stage of the tournament before whereas She's lost every calls final of a grandson that she's ever played so I mean is an negree head to head as well we've poverty. Cevaer is is pretty one sided and came mcgriff is literally been destroying opponents in her path in the IRA this year. The city Lena. That was a demolition spit later. That was a demolition job. And I'm I'm confident and I'm I'm Mubarak the win. The winner of Kobe is going to be that just playing to be the loser to Migori. Didn't tonight and seized two top ten players on Ebay. She's BAT WITH KAMAL. Tonight as they seem to be very good team together I mean yeah McGrath. You'd have to put your money or Megan Reuther just you know she's Warranties Lam's for interesting that with averaging she seems to love the Australian aid from because she is into the stage performance for the third time in four we. It is so if she is going to reach a goal of Assam. It's GonNa be Australia She must just Comes for Hey Mama courts but there is going to be. I think they have a grudge match between the two of them. Because pathogen conveys now coached by Sam scenic. Who at was formally immigrations coach so? I think they didn't Harem him. Mcgrath didn't didn't Paul on the best of terms not entirely sure what went on there. But I think that's going to be a of made me. We will see if he didn't say. I saw some of match against Koerber it. Was You know pathogen? Cuba really should've should've won the first set. She dropped the first won. The second lunch break came through in the third. But she she she hit seventy winners in that match which it must be were auditor. Is that record for the number of winners She did she has been paying very well But she she gets. She's one of these gets tense. That critical merryman said I ain't put my faith in her. When push comes to shop that she will come three so I think looking ahead Bharti against hype slash mcgary so I. I don't see a new slam winner happening storm and we can all a week ago. Rejoice in research at the newest ratings winner for sure but yes and McGrath is is back. She'll be I think this is what she's unseeded. Isn't she for this? She's ranked thirty two at the moment so she must've just missed out on this evening but it hasn't to her. She is is in accordance faces. Joe British success has been great in singles installment but we have a semi-finalist in the men's doubles Jason Free and his partner Rachi Ram. They are in the maze of the men's doubles and they're getting replaying public and Kukushkin who. I think we tried to stop we. Yeah we saw a blake on Kukushkin. So yeah spray in the semi great great stuff from Joe. He is working the magic out Australia. But Amazingly we actually had three British players in the men's doubles cool to hit Johnny Marr. Playing with Arra Valet. They lost Dodig and Pacific coast. And then we had Ken. Scott Ski Santiago Gonzalez. They lost in the coaches Pestle say bit frustrating his partner personal and I think you might be Mock Paso. They had. He had the same hair. Blonde of Long said houses described Menzer. It was strange. I'm flying the flag we do. You have Jamie in the banks with Bethany Masic Sans as well there in the coast finals so hatefully. Hey free we can still be on to Victories in the Bryans Aweso Played their lost ever Australian Apron That doing like a retirement year say they. They bowed out to dig and plastic and yet they won. They won it six times the so they have said goodbye to Melbourne Park for the last time and then just all Mcdonagh said earlier on that she was saying that they were playing in women's doubles. They're out they lost to Babbel's which who I think looking pretty good To defend that title was playing with Amanda and Samantha. They out as well lost to the fifth seeds. So I'm not sure I think in. The women's doubles is the top four seeds. That have made it through to the semis. Could well be Xiaoli. Skipper Bubble Schmidt Vich challenge. I think is a call and say these names could I'M GONNA attempt to actually have but yeah so. I think these doubles pairings enough to really prove this stuff with the Olympics in mind because it's same public jason currently well number one in doubles but you've established pairing of SENAC Credit Chavez so. That's a bit tricky but anyway we also had today a bit of controversy and we came on with surrounding Margaret Core and two legends of the game in you'll McEnroe and John McEnroe Martina Navratilova. Said you'll McEnroe came out. Basically COOLED MARGARET. Cho a crazy aunt. I think the tennis Australia were. They were recognizing her her achievements. I think it was fifty years on you know since she won all four. Grand Slams And yet John. Mcenroe's basic took offense because of the courts opinions do g to her religion and Yeah he hit macaroni and Navratilova. They did their own. Sort of protests. Didn't they never? Slavery was playing in the invitational doubles olden. Markle arena. I think and then arch basically at the end of the the legends doubles. She and mcenery wanted to help her. They they unveiled a sign that said Yvonne Goolagong arena because they think it should be renamed after even Google. She tried to start making speech on the unpasteurised Vice Chair and then controversially the TV feed was caught. You Know Sushi salted speaking and the Australian Nathan came out and said the Enough flavored McEnroe had had breached tournament protocols about how you should be acting or behaving which I don't know it just seems to the life feed and distort it wasn't like they were being violent or anything. They were peacefully protesting and making a point. I just I just think that was a identified. It's going to be any further ramification but in talking to have their opinion like the tennis. The tennis pundits that members of tennis media and I don't see why anyone you know I don't know why they should take umbrage mcmurray said his comments that he made because he's just responding to the comments that Margaret Cool made which have offended vall swathes of people and I think it will kind of boils down to is. I think they'll stereotype director Craig. Kelly said now there's a difference between the recognition and a celebration of someone. Recognition is tennis achievements only and McEnroe's basically like you can't separate the person from their achievements whereas it feels like a some people can and I think maybe I listened view in this can. Can you do that? Paul Impulsive. Really interesting question she listeners. I would really encourage. I'm intrigued. Actually whether you can weigh whether you can separate the cheap because for me. I really struggled if I knew that someone has a particular viewpoint that I I find deeply offensive to voss sectors of of the population that N-. I find that very difficult to to support that play on court. I know we've had for ten sanger Nina. He has come out and said some things agree with and I think he will find it very difficult to support him as a result just another case in point but maybe I maybe I'm unable to maybe narrow minded in in being unable to separate the. We not can still appreciate that. Someone can play a very high standard of tennis and can act in way on on court date and find offensive. But I don't know it's it's difficult to separate for me what you think last night. I think yeah moving on Came let's let's finish on some well. Actually what two pieces of news left. But let's let's start with one about coaching today. Because they said that they can now allow it from the box. So not not at Sam's just on the on the tour but you're able now you're going to be able now go ever speak to your coach. Well I think it's it's not going even speech speaking. It's it's they're allowing like hand signals. I think from from the players so I think they know what Patrick marginally was accused of doing. When Serena had the the the issue to describe at the final against us alka basically something like that would would just be allows because basically they've come out and said we know it's happening and most fraser kind of benefiting from any way that just you doing in codes or is it. It's going on a widespread scale say. Let's just make it legal. They're still going to have the encore coaching. Where the coach she physically come onto the court at the change of ends. I think they can do once or twice per ser so yet. But it's just basically allowing these like signals and I ate I'd say physically there and and I'm not entirely sure there probably is some kind of verbal element to as well. I'm sure I'm sure listeners. Should Spill Loudwar again? Let us know on twitter on all social. Feed A pulsing shop pod new volume as well passing show product DOT COM The last piece of information piece of news from today Kim very sad news. Makarova has announced her retirement by instagram. Makarova is yeah but she was. She had some good widens the Australian Apron show she didn't she beat Venus Williams late in the first round or she hopes it'll see she was Well number one doubles player. She played My question came. I was asking You. GotTa ask listeners. Catchy name her doubles partner. Who I think she won think she won three Olympic gold medal. I think I think they did. I to correct me if I'm wrong listeners. But Yes oh. She's she's no more. I think she's been trying for water injury or but yeah Saturday's anyway. We'll be back. I think in a couple of days time to round up the next few days play from the AA and anything else might be going on as well so that you can join us. Then do you let us know your thoughts and any anything? You'd like us to discuss on pausing shop Paul on Twitter Instagram facebook. And you can also email us pulsing chipotle gmail.com but until then you enjoy all the action from history Nathan We will see next time bye.

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Aus Open 2020 preview: Projected pathways for top seeds; Djokovic's title for the taking?; Serena's championship to lose?; R1 Popcorn matches; Assessing British hopes with Konta + co.; Collect-a-set predictions revealed

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Aus Open 2020 preview: Projected pathways for top seeds; Djokovic's title for the taking?; Serena's championship to lose?; R1 Popcorn matches; Assessing British hopes with Konta + co.; Collect-a-set predictions revealed

"Gentlemen thank you. Ask Her out. And it's time for the first Grand Slam of the year. Jala Ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Australian Open preview show from the passing shots. Everyone and welcome to the passing shot. The ten is focused by fans for fans with Joel and Kim. Today we are going to be dissecting. The men and women's jaws from the Australian Open Twenty four hours away came from the first grandson of the air. I know that we're kind of thousands of miles away on the other side of the world but I am I am here. I am excited and I can't wait me too. And I've just been scouring the jurors Joe for all our favorite players and this new Dennis Estimate Malik Jeziri. They didn't even make qualifying by. I think she giggled him. He's playing like some random challenger in the middle of nowhere I think he got to the final. I mean lost in the final but we say about the Australian. I definitely am despite his absence. I've just been looking through the drawers this weekend and trying to see if my predictions I made a couple of weeks ago will still country. I mean I'm still kind of set in that joke. Which is is going to walk away with the title agencies. You know he hasn't got the easiest rule but I can't see it being anyone else but him but let's have a look at the top seeds and kind of that projected Paul's ways Save any other neighbor. That might stop them on their way in an early round the Jacob Rich. I mean yeah. Let's start with the about your bitch because I still think he is the form I mean he is the favor like there's no doubt. Here's the favorite going into the Australian Open. Given his. You know his record in Melbourne but also given his record this season it just excite. We've already kind of entered peak Jovic phase and I mean he is going to be a tough. He's going to be a tough person to be but having said that I think of the you know the big three. He's got probably the trickiest trick round one match. I'd say Jan Leonard Strath. Yeah that's the night session on the first on the first day tomorrow so yeah. That could be could be bit tricky. He might lead us. Perhaps I want for stuff is an and I mean the thing I would say about joke. Which is because of the HP COP? I didn't have thought would have altered his preparations because he doesn't normally play a warm-up event going into the AO so. I'm not sure if that would make any difference having played. You know quite a few matches there. But I mean he's going for his eighth title which that alone says everything and intra. Interestingly Serena Williams will say beginning for her eighth title which I thought was if they both end up winning that's quite nice storyline incident. Look here's his paw. I mean as I say we got strip in the first round who I think generally could be quite a tough first round opponent he went to one the HP Cup. He seemed quite comfortably won and four and generally. I think he's been he's been quite decent at Grand Slams. He's already done in Australia but Yeah I sent anything. That could be a little bit of a joke. It's GonNa be needs to be on his game from the first point in round one. But if he comes through that he's ever qualifier Ito from Japan them British fans. He could come up against Dan Evans in the third round followed by potentially Schwartzman or live at U. I use I think has been too quiet fairly good. Start to the season fellow. Serve beating Jackovitch happen with that. I just don't see the jude outcry. Place Spanish players. They they tend Steve. Very well against him. But getting into the business end from the quarterfinals stage. I mean he has surpass In his quarter And then potentially Federer in the semifinals and of course in the Dow or Medvedev or on the bottom half he could he could meet in the finals so we could have A. We could already have kind of a repeat of the ATP Cup kind of singles rubber between Jovic and Adele. We could have the again in the final in the Australian Open. But yeah you know. I think I think you'd be fairly happy with that. You know you come through the first round job probably a bit of a tester and I think yeah. You shouldn't lose too many. You have too many minutes on court. I think going into kind of the business and do you think yeah. I think sit surpassed probably the first genuine danger. Mom for Djokovic and that's that's just a shaving kit surpass kind of keeps his form going from the end of last year when he couldn't he won'the finals say ask for data evidence. I've actually go him losing in the second round. So I ain't GonNa get Brown matchup with Richard Hiking. I mean what Evans took out. This is very wishful thinking getting ahead of ourselves but that would be quite a story. I mean we'll be talking about that. And that was part of our did. Ask Our listeners about Evans and where he would collect that so we'll we'll come unto those predictions at a bit but yeah I hope to. I think I think Evans kids. I'd say evidence is going to take out nobody jock itch you get. He needs to still. Doesn't these debates. Let's look at Rutgers. Projected true so. I think forever like he's not really going to face a test until the fourth round where you know. We've got a potential carry shot. Which is oversee going to be a popcorn night's session match if it does come to the Yeah he's first few rounds Hugo delion possibly dope on a soldier from the second round and then have created said round. He won't day is a very good player. But Yeah curios fourth-round it's kind of looking looking likely oviously. We sold them each other at Wimbledon and that was quite entertaining today of Kerry is going to get the fourth round of Roy A it's not certain but I mean I think we've I think we've seen like I like to think we see in a new nick curiosity season and this is not that curious where I'm going to be like you have to almost take it like match by match but at the same time. Yeah I caught him a bit like the I am excited. Potentially by a Nidal Curiel fourth-round match but again we to take that route by round because they carry us. What side of the bed does he wake up on? But yes. I think that could be a very tasty match up. The moving on moving on from that era qualify knows. Could Face Dominic team who? I'm looking for the main up up for debate. Whether dominant team gets to the quarterfinals person listeners sink but was it wasn't that great in tippy cut and that's really his only kind of A competitive match practice lost borna courage and Huber her cash in three sets. So and you know he's never been past the fourth round of the Australian Open. Don't again on him. Getting the cool to maybe. We underestimating him but he just doesn't. He did really well at the water finals at the end of the year. But yeah something in my mind when I think of John McCain now coming in today I don't see him up there and also I think USA Medvedev doing very well at the peacock becoming the fourth seed at the expense of team. I oversee everything. That's how teams favors so You know having to face of potentially needle in a quarterfinal. Yeah Yeah I see team. Get out being brutally honest safety. He's the first big seed in the men's draw weight. Well Okay and then we have in the semi's Medvedev or I mean basically by script it could be well. I think I gave. This is probably very boarded. Team is a is a walking seed in the first week. You know. Surely Julie and say I think Andre Rib love is in this compartment of the draw and would face Medvedev in the Kuta if you relive gets rib lavish kind of the man of the moment. He has lost a match in twenty twenty one to back to back titles And at late so I got him reaching the quarters. Personally I didn't think he would beat Medvedev but I think he might give money. It remains to be seen on stage if he can keep his consecutive five-set matches. But yeah I said anything probably will be Medvedev Medvedev doll semifinal in which case could be on for a repeat of the classic. Usa Pin final from last year. If if that does happen came we fill it? We might as well reschedule. Catch up already a to like the next off to because yeah not went onto like the middle of night birth. Yeah that that would be. I mean that would be treat for the fans and then yet again could play Jackovitch Federer in in the final. Say T- thing I mean. Let's look talking with Roger Federer. I think he's go. I don't write draw. He think he's go see Jones in the first round. I think also a walk in the Park Federer. Cryan rich second round her cash that round the interesting because he's beating me. Yeah that for me is a that is for me as a bit of a danger like a watch out. I think for ME DANGER BUT NOT FEDERAL LEASING DANGER. Federal has had that rogue sort of has lost two players. We would just say no expecting on John. Millman and also kind of federal has not played yet the season. He's not played you know he's he's not played. Any warmer events didn't play. Atp Cup so you know going into Australia going into Melbourne is he gonNa be short match practice that carpet and he so yeah. This will be different than he has an. He hasn't had a warm up. But I mean he's got shapoval off in the fourth round or could be Grigor Dimitrov. Few oversee beat him at the USA person so I think his yeah. Fed and full frown. Maybe Bit Dodgy Crucified Bertini Folk Mania either of them like obsessing federal so I think if Edrich get through third and fourth round. He'll be well on his way to match up with joke. If you play with Bertini Folk Nina. I think you'd be looking your lips. I will be. I will be very impressed. If Bertini Offauq NIIMI Get to get to the quarterfinal stage. Yeah Bertini how? Great season last year. I feel like there's this overriding sense that it was a bit of a fluke but like a he had his. He's had his moment. But you know you might. Well I'd love him to prove meowing let let's see but I just just kind of see Bertini Orkney. I think we could have a a first-time quarter-finalists come up against Roger Federer and then possibly a lamb to the slaughter scenario better four of six one. Yeah for potentially Jackovitch or SIS passing. Semi's could be passed. That could be a rematch. If if he does the unthinkable comes through. Novak an yeah I mean. We're we're banking on a Fidel final. Lump me eight. I'm sure it will happen. Because they're in a facing size of the draw of see. That was the final back in two thousand seventeen. I believe say if Rafa lost when I would be quite annoyed. Because he's already lost like four the final say a. It would be lovely to see him get enough time to here. Yeah let's look at the full of the as we said. Data is Medvedev. So I think it's perhaps the most intriguing like he's got Francis T.F. Oh who was a cool to find list hair loss jet in the first round? Say I mean that's bit over t.f? Over the map of the might be called an interesting match and then secretive fed round could have stand them out in the fourth round is so I think Medvedev might be buying some having some really good cracking matches and maybe endearing himself to the the crowd. Us thinking that it's GonNa be more is going to be more bad dialogue between and I'm looking forward to his pace about conferences. Boom there's a batches of the. Yeah Yeah I think he. He's got. He's got some tough opponents. You feel that he's he's able to grind grind them out in tight. Three four set four set saw. Yeah but I mean he is the fourth seed you can make the most. You can make the most of that. Do you think with this draw. Could could he get to the semifinals? I mean I think it's possible but I do think like obviously he did say well this. Us Open swing last summer and then he got very tied in the last stages. I mean if he's fresh hopefully he would regain the form of law summa but it's still early days in the sense that he hasn't yet proven that he can maintain that form for a really long period of time safe. He was early in this lab. That would be question marks about a his longevity at the top whether it was kind of a fleet that he played say well lost. It's true but I mean like ATP. I think he went. I think he didn't lose a match. The yeah he was you know I think I think he's at the moment. I still think he's carrying on that form from last season. But yeah let's see. Let us see how he does in the show moving. Let's move on so we've got to discuss kind of the top. The top four Four seeds of course there are some very tasty round one matches You know I think we already spoke about Medvedev. Tefa which again I think is a very nice macho won one match that did stand out for me. Bautisa versus Feliciano Lopez. I would say annoy the kind of got away because I just thought actually. I was playing himself into a bit of four wasn't he? He was pretty well so yeah it was one of the matches in one day and it was reminiscent of his his runner. Queens which is called for the whole day then he goes and gets about east rookie in the first round. Who is obviously Mr Consistent and actually I think about Easter He yeah he reached the quarter sell-offs Jitney and oversee he. Yeah he was in a big name for that to say. Yeah. That'd be an interesting job. We will say go full well folk laney's Fang Riley a poker so I think that could go either way. We've got Boehner Court against some query. Go what was happening to Sam Query. He's really Gone off the radar and they go on against Jeremy Shaw. That'd be flowing match very beautiful mattress. So WE'VE I. We've also got Kevin Anderson who's now back from injury over the former world number four and he could face. I think Taylor. Fritz in the second round the favorite qualifies in the first round. But I think look quite tasty on you know so soon from his kind of quiet. Yeah the injury lay-off so You know again. I think he could be. He could be someone to reckon with certainly going into potentially going into the second week. Oh say fish players. As you mentioned. Donovan's He oh you go in the first round. He's got a winnable match. I think it just have a look. See he's called Mckenzie McDonald I like had previously. What's that show and I mean that could be really entertaining match but in Dan's recent form he reached the quarters eight in Adelaide losing to replay three solid performance. And eat it for the first time. As lomb he's got Mackenzie Madonna first round possibly lasley share in the second round Serbian player and then again possibly Jovic said round. So we'll say I mean I didn't see him getting beyond the third round. But if he could just his his seating that would be great and then we've got called Edmund. He well he's playing Dusan lawyer Bitch. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised. I mean I would be more surprised at meant Edmund Loo- i- Edmonds maybe lose out in four of four or five. I think lavish has had a really good start with the Serbia team that got to the ATP Cup Final. Oh sorry Thing and but Edwin does have a new case in. Hey Franco Davin who is famous for proving previously having coached Oh portray when he won the US Apron. I know Edmund on on these courts has has good. History from injury is very true. Say you never named cabinet against Say I didn't expect to win that one but it's possible. It's not the worst role for him. I would give a bad the edge on that one. I think yeah. I think of Donovan's best of that. Show without with with the absence of Andy Murray and as she just quit you talk about that because he did come out in the news earlier this week that he is still recuperating from this pelvic injury and he shed update the basic said that. He's not a he's pulled out of. I think was Rotterdam and more than Pant Elliott. So he's he's not even date back on when he's going to be back in court which for British fans knew about others but for me. It's a bit. It's a bit worrying but let's see if we can get he can come back on the tennis court because he has been to log already. It's just endless. Frustration isn't Eber. Let's get back on court and kind of carry on the Comeback Abbott. Let's take a quick break now and then we'll be back to discuss the women's draw so joe women's drool time. Who's your money on for for that fool like any tennis was played in twenty twenty and before the draws don. I hit put up as my winner which I'm really not sure. Bye Good luck with that. Adelaide and hasn't really paid March and Hash policy is looking sweet going into the she's just one at late. She's the first Australian women to win a title at home since two thousand eleven and I thought she was going to kind of get a bit nervous or I don't know just the feel the pressure but she seems really relaxed and so I'm not sure that's GonNa be a factor for her. She just seems such a team around her. You've per you've put on the script that you think. She has a decent drool. Well what do you think the complete opposite? I mean she's Ripe Akina. Potentially in the third round to gain isn't that is a play you don't WanNa face. She's completely informed with. She won she. She wasn't one hope. Our is our island. Chen's then yes I think is a nightmare. Alison riske. We'd know is very good player on her day at Grand Slam level can take out. You know big big name players potentially in the fourth round and then you go live a convertible or Madison keys potentially in the quarterfinals which you know Grand Pedigree Madison Keys. One of the cleanest boo strikes zero on the women's tool. Oh and then if you get through that I saw curl Serena I just think I think she's. She's going absolutely no matter. How good tennis shoes playing? She's got an absolute nightmare drawer. I think can I just say with Dr Akina? I've put this down before she went and one. Haibo say I mean thing is maybe we don't know what Robbie Keane can assign. She wanted to even get to. The third round is so unpredictable. Net which is why love it but alison risk as well. She did beat bought it last year. I think that was in the fourth round yet. Not An easy will. Also he doesn't have an easy job is carrying a push cover. I think she's got a tough one militant vich in the first round. He we know on High Day can beat the sheet bought at the Fed Cup Australia. Exactly Pavlik Schenker said round von Druce. He's come back from injury and has been doing really well already full house she has. She is fundraise. I'll be amazed if greedy solid results in the first weeks. Okay I mean yeah if I can get through to the quarters I can. I can see fish getting to the semi's but but we know she's just not in. She doesn't have that sort of slam she's the we overlooked so crazy that we we. It's it's like I think know with the I mean with the Women's Joyce I it's it might not go to the the seeds as much You know as I said I think Party and pushed even though the number one and number two seed I think. Yeah they've got. They've got pretty tricky draws compared to on some of the other players. Serena's Troy's very the I think a part of paver. I think she did have a big scout last year. I think's checkout kerber somewhere but I mean not in any form say Sedan Zek Second Round. Wang's third round possibly called enter in the dot com does not going to get. There is Shay very as she did probably more likely to be stream. Scott who got that line that will be tasting especially as strom scares now coached by. Sasha budget and who spent many years working of Serena and a so called and I think everyone's kind of looking at that Serena assault culture as of being kind of the goatee popcorn match When they when they face each other in the in the course if they get that far I think we'd be looking at war Serena Balti- semi or Serena Asaka. I mean sorry. Baltia soccer semi. They're in the same segment of the United States withdrawal. So that's looking. Perhaps the most likely scenario I WOULD. I would think it would be great to see Serena play at Balti in the semi finals. In Ashby's home slams Serena going full would slam twenty four thing. That would be such a such a match and talking about Soka. She's she's at all right joy. Thank third round. She could play bubble restricts giver or possibly Coca Gulf. She would get that fall of say. Let's just mentioned cake. Gulf has been given Venus Williams in the first round unbelievable of slow match from the Gods. That's like a second time in threes. Lives because they face each other at Wimbledon one one. And I'm predicting the gopher win this one as well because Venus literally no form at all. She hasn't played in months. I think we can argue about the collect. The show having none of how we just got to win win the whole tournament. Golf Okay so anyway. One of the might come up against the soccer in the third round fourth round could be severe. Kenan for soccer Then yet the quarter likely to be Serena I mean it's just there's so much death death moments tennis. Just look at some of the first round matches. Madison keys. Beat them pretty good form reaching the final in Brisbane. She's Daria has it. Came to in the first round which casinos Phoolan from West. She will system nauseous. She has no confidence. Probably isn't any good form that still tasty match because we have keener is capable so stevens in absolutely no full leather. She loves to lie. I think she lost to light someone outside the top two hundred in like three and to the other week the other day Jiang. I can't see her living up to conceal her. Which Saints Saint Stephen's people? Say Stephen side is probably going to hate me saying this. Saint Stephen's like the the women's version of Alex vary of at the moment. Yeah I mean I just. I'm looking at her and the Jordan tightly discounting her which might be too. You know my discredit any on you. Right hand new discount a grand slam winner well anti-racist each other final slams and Chase Sheila Sunburn shape and finally to highlight so just when when when someone's not being in any form it's just really hard to see them run together. We've also got Donna. Vecchio playing shower paver in the first round which is I think that's such a good match up your Comes through Suarez Navarro. Isn't she one of your favorite show? She's thanks I is a lost season tall came. We could save these moments. I expecting to victory or something has been in good form. So you're GONNA say Putin server against C- Waesche way. I think I'm saying wrong. I mean see way shape just such a chilled out sort of player. An pretense of is just like the most angriest lady complete polar opposites which will probably make good Good Fun for the spectators and yet von Druce Avert Kazaks over an mlive. Not Prescriber. Say Yes some interesting again. Some interesting fascinating round match-ups that genuine. You could go either way. I think is interesting that we've got. We've got players in the draw that have proven themselves at Grand Slams. The past oil-based got of writing the ball. Plays like so. Steve is Angelique. Kerber. We haven't even mentioned that. I had law season I. It's just like it's semi different unknown quantities lurking in the women's draw it's going to be And another one. I mean we've got we'LL SNIA K. She's retiring after the cost. You say she she's got Christie on in the first round which is perfectly evidently winnable. I think she might snacky can progress through. She may be on to face Serena in the fourth round Like that could happen. Which would be a nice. A nice kind of ending. Was the AKI Cassia. Best mates were Serena so she has a decent tournament if it's if it's going to be if it's a nice ending. I'm pretty sure that playing each other in like Wozniak exhibition farewell. Also Adam Danielle Collins. She has been in pre fiery form In the run-up to oversee she was a semifinalist last year. But she lost to ball in the semi's in Adelaide Just just she lost week and ready this year. She's beaten bench and Selena Which is crazy so you look out for her in the drawer because I think she could potentially meet. Oh I think she can meet In the third round which is not good for my prediction. Astle and also. She's a play Jennifer Brady in the first round. Who you beat Balti- in Brisbane on sharp UV. Insurance Act three cookout first round did. Yeah so lots of exciting matchups. I mean. I'm still under totally undecided. When it comes to the Minstrel I think it could be bossy. Asaka SERENA I think these three I think this is will come from one of those players Selena no even spoken out SIS. Linens used to be one of the most consistent look really good Omaha core the USA Serena. She's I call ins last week though and you slam. She just doesn't seem to reach the semi's of Wimbledon last year so I think it was but she just lacks kind of conviction. I look at her and saying. Oh she's GonNa do Shit could. Y- benches is really good record against like a soccer. We know she cannot be anyone on a given day. So I pass anything ASAKA SERENA OBOE. Say the time to probably go to one of them. And we've got we've got British interests as well and we go quite a lot of purchase interests. Actually because you know go off see Konta Katie. Bought is going to be. That had the Watson. He's been a great run full also the manger and hurt does qualified as well As as I saw her it dot qualifying. I was thinking while they call go any worse than last time. Maria Sharapova dumps it was the first matches well like it was that she match on on whatever on show court and the off with our say hopefully I mean I think she faces a Misaki Doi. in this first round. So you know. I think she's she. She's playing well at the moment. And Yeah that's the Cohen Como. Harriet DOT COM on some games against Masaaki. Yeah she could. I think she could. She could win Walnut Fisher. I mean it's more winnable within Katie Boulter Selena first round. I so tricky. I don't. I'm not expecting. I mean borders as her first match back. And then you go around. That's tasty not ideal also. I have low expectations for job Qatar. She's playing on Yobbo first round and it didn't beat her eastern last year. I think it rings a bell. I don't see Jerry's been struggling with his knee injury so I just ate knew. Exactly what kind of a shape? She's going to be in so I'm going to go in there. Not Expecting too much Heather Watson. I think maybe she's the one we should be looking at you know. She reached the semi. Hey Ball in. Odi just lost to rookie was close. Three set match in that semi and she's Got Christina Fishkhabur. So I think it'd be great if he could make a run here like I mean have since she loves loves playing Hobart I think she she wanted number of years ago or whatever and you know. She's definitely paid us off in some form and yeah I think. I think my is more Yaron Watson Than Than Joe Concert because you know I mean yes. I agree with counter ECON writer off at your own peril. This knee injury I. It sounds like that's more kind of like manage it as opposed to like it's going to keep me out of tennis for for however long how. Yeah I'm more excited more more optimistic about Watson's chances than counters. We get embroiled in another long epic three-set Match Koslov stress to any British fans watching. I'm cool side. We should say the doubles draws have. Come out as well say. I think we're going to be looking at them. More round one catch up because doubles doesn't typically saw a couple of days in but one thing. We should bent Geneva. Well number one men in men's doubles Robert. Farah has well. It's been a new surrounding at drugs to assist in that Joe so he's not playing the Australian Open. He tested positive for substance. He's he I think. He originally came out cited personal reasons for not playing but then basically came out that he failed a drugs and the reason he The reason for that his words not mine was essentially some meat he was eating in Columbia normally. Has this drug in it or something. He needs said he because he'd been eating a lot of meat it's shown up. Yeah so I mean Dana. I can't come pick nece. Do they need to investigate? We'll see how long it will be when the outcome of that but yeah it's a shame because they will be doing very well and I'm not sure if his partner Kabala has found an EP. I'm sure he probably would have done being number one. Jim Don't worry there is that will be still Lleyton. Hewitt's doubles at Grand Slams. He's been given a wildcard. Another wildcard with Jordan Thompson. Said they will be in the men's doubles. Joe's is lying here. Just GonNa play. Every men's doubles like eighty in the men's doubles and while called until you say ashfall ts in the women's double stroller. We know she normally plays doubles as well. But it's interesting that she's still deciding to do that. She's playing with Yulia Girgis. So they're not seeded but yet we know she's a terrific doubles player as well so it's just interesting that she still deciding cdot alongside has singles campaign as well. Yeah definitely right. Let's move on to collect a set which I know. We have both been very excited about our listeners. Have been very excited about. They've been putting that prediction to us. Isn't that drove? I think we've got about. I think we've had thirty thirty entries now some something around then But yes this is collect for our listeners. Who Don't know. This is our a predictions for tournament. We pick six players three men three women and you tell us. How far do you think they're going to go in the drool so we announced on twitter earlier this week that the players for our collector set Novak Djokovic Andre Rube leff Don Evans. An from the women's side Cocoa Golf Serena Williams and Ash Bharti. So Yeah we've had our listeners. Giving us their predictions some. I agree with some. I don't agree with but we are going to reveal our predictions. Now Kim. I mean you've alluded so some of the some of them some of your thoughts. Let's start with the men Novak Jackovitch. Well said he's going to win. Talk to you. I mean that was yeah. That was probably the most agreed on looking at the everybody's at did say that was probably almost. The basic agreed agreed on Sir. Say let's move. Let's get to relive what ending an IVC ended up as a quarter finalist leasing to Medvedev. Say we I also got him as a quote Melissa I I think he could play. He could play David Goffin. Who's technically a higher seed third round Spot but if he comes through that yeah it's it's pretty a Thinki- can navigate it to the quotas. Say One of our listeners. For him to win. I think I really ever French Bay Yet so Dan Evans will be down. Evans I have gone for him. Getting to round three losing to Novak Djokovic. Three three in love or something But Yeah I've gone. I think I've gone. Yeah I think he's. He's playing really well. I don't really see. Yeah I think he can. I think you'll get to the second round. I think he's GonNa lose to Leslie Happier. Hey Cool Hey. I'm not sure I've just have have an inkling that he might not get to the third round Busey Louis C. K. So Co Golf Ground One. Oh yea did say easily be banking on Venus Williams. Victory hasn't played since October. I've called Bake. I've definitely have gone back. I still think this is like a today's fifty fifty. I think he'll be fired up. And you know. I don't think it will mitigate our of how off court. She has been over the last few months. Venus Williams so go round one exit. Okay well I haven't gotten that much further. I've got go fleecing in the second round. I think she's would possibly play. Bubble restricts is sort. Don't see her. Actually I've coming strips cover. I do think the will do quite far in the doubles say with Casey McNally. Good stubble stained. Say I'm more excited? May Be to see the doubles say Serena Williams a well if if you if you win like sitting in the previous in the previous season to season preview show. Yeah I'm seeing Serena Williams victory mogok cool. It's GonNa hate it everyone else. Everyone else is GonNa love it and I think yes. She's finally going to. She's finally GonNa win. Win a Grand Slam. Final Post Post. Motherhood say it's really hard to predict when you have them step on call yet because after two rounds eight and we'd probably be able to make more accurate predictions for Serena won. Auckland look great I know but I was saying. She didn't think she she beat him. An ever explain overseas should be Pagoda. Complete. But they weren't like top top players so I still have. Question marks a facing up to a soccer. And I've actually put Serena leasing in the quarterfinals. I think ASARCO beat her. Say Hey reno soccer I mean trusting and Ashburn not what we think. Bharti gone there. I wrote this down one SEC ash party quarterfinals losing to convert over. Oh okay I go Ashkenazi quarterfinals. Leasing two keys. Okay okay. I've still. There's a question mark in my mind about Balti- on the home stage and the stages so I think in my mind. Because I put Serena Ashburn not both UH schools finace. I'm thinking assault is going to get through them. Base wealth gets the jewel. I'm still hating. Hallett will start the season but she has a likely but we will see. We'll say yes we will see and listeners. If you want to enter our collect there is still time. It's literally open up until the first up until the La- the first point of Australian Open so if you WANNA enter and you're on twitter just tweet us at passing shot pod with your predictions. The players were looking for our JOVIC. Rube Love Evans. Golf Serena Williams and Ash Balti You can also email US passing. Shot pod at gmail.com or if you want to you can let us know on inscribed as well Handle is at passing shot pot. But Yeah we've got a good. I think we've got a good set of thirty or so names of themselves into the hat and Yeah we'll be keeping everyone posted on how everyone is doing on twitter so make sure you follow us in twitter to keep updated and yeah I mean. We still haven't critical a prize for winning. Collect what more could anyone one I have been. I have been for everyone who has ended. I have been working on a honors board a roll of honour on the website for connect to say. It's the baby is live but it looks pretty terrible But I will be working on that to get a get a leaderboard out there For to recognize our best the best predictors among saw listeners. And also whether you could be Kim Probably not difficult based on all history of predictions but Yes yes collect Yeah looking forward to that. Yeah I think that's I think that kind of wraps it up at the end of kind of pretty much. Each round to give all T- pence worth or happenings at the A so we'll be keeping up today as the tournament gays on ever ready to have no sleep the next two weeks out. I'm working really weird. Shift patterns at the moment. Say I've realized that my window sleep is actually the exact window where the plane on which is seen as the tennis starts basically need to sleep and then when I wake up. It's probably pretty much over so I might be watching a lot on catch up over the next two weeks but we'll see how it goes. I wish I was that I mean the weather in Melbourne I mean. Obviously she's the air quality Really affected the qualifying. I think that you keep effect she was. She collapsed On the call place that they felt unwell because of the the APP at its hailing. At the moment. It's rain is. The rain is the issue more than smoke now. I if his so you know I think there's even the the the I think play four day one actually might be. It might be a bit stops up because of the the weather on the outside caused nor under on any of roof so Yeah I don't think smoke is going to. Hopefully smoke is not going to be an issue because I think the rain has come an assault. That was sort that all out. So hopefully we can just get one gal now with the tennis game with the tournament and Yeah as came set we will be doing all round by round coverage hopefully For the next two weeks and you can join us for a cap chops. But in the meantime yeah if you enjoy listening to shy. Remember to subscribe to us on the platform that you're listening to. 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02-27-20 NASCAR America Motormouths

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02-27-20 NASCAR America Motormouths

"Take one big trouble shop. Heady relic were good call. Welcome and ask our America. Motormouth presented by mutual martyr. Sonner here with Kyle Petty's Pila Tar you doing us. Great great for some Montana racing action this weekend. I'm ready for some action. I'm ready to send another one. I need another fist pump. No never mind is not. We are not going to do that instead. Will lead off with the best news of the week. Coming around fenway racing and the good news continues to come either. I mean who would have thought just over a week after his wreck we would see these images coming out this week from Ryan Newman. I'm fascinated with the recovery as the accident. The accident took my breath away. I think we all had major concerns rightfully so it was such a fierce accident imposing live from the five hundred he walks out of the hospital holding his daughter's hands and now here is back at the race shop. It's amazing. The whole storylines bent amazing. I'm excited to see the day. I'm confident we're closer than we give. Cards gotta be right. I mean he's out there I just. I hope one of these days. We're going to see him back car. Imagine how this list of the team spirits. But Kyle you came back from a from a big accident and an injury. When you're able to visit with the guys that kind of motivate you more to be around Carson. I want to get back in that motivates Ryan. The guys are excited to see. And you know they are. When I was driving for Felix and had a compound fracture in my left Femur to get back in the shop. It took me almost three weeks to get out of a hospital and get back to the show but to just walk in the shop even on crutches and the see your race car with your name. Still on the gas still busting their rear end. Can you spray their Kenny Wallace? Filled in but it does. It makes you work harder and Rehab. It makes you work harder to get back in that seat. Well let's get to our starting grid today. How about Indycar sees Jane's Hinchcliffe? He'll call into the show today. Sounds good doesn't it guys and he'll tell us about his GIG. It's GonNa be fun to talk to Hinch and ruts basement. The Jimmy Johnson Quiz Edition. Stevie going to be able to ACIS quiz for a hug. Robert Wood Bat. All your purple. That was very nice and the West Coast wing continues at Fontana. Will we see a third different winner to open the season and I said no waiting for you to say now I can say going to give you a now all right. So speaking of Fontana Mr low-tar here the odds for this Sunday. You're not player. So Kevin Harvick at top of the list. What do you think when you look at that? First thing I see is four to one or a little bit long shots for the favorite which tells me that Vegas probably as a little bit of a guest of. Who's going to run out there? Kyle Busch five one. I can't remember a race that he was even paying five to one. But I'M GONNA Circle Number Seven Ryan. Blaney he was last week. He's one of my favorites heading into sixteen and one. That's pretty good on your money. Reflect asking the other guys are there. I don't know I had a great second place to buy the IT. It does bother me a little bit. Maybe you will be up next year. When he's in Austin College calls on that you end up being worse five to one for Kyle Busch. After the way they ran last week. Would you put your money there? Well he's one three six races out there so intelligent. I mean listen Kyle Busch at Las Vegas Train Ricksen. Scott Bush has been going to Vegas. I agree the point point that that Laws Vegas would say. It's a bad bet. From Fontana one thing is going to happen to Fontaine either going to say the world is back to its normal orbit and we're GONNA be fine if he runs his poorly at auto club as he did boss Vegas then. I say this should be paying Toyota and the other thing that makes it difficult. If you're GONNA lay down some money this weekend is the only run Fontana once a year. So you don't really know exactly kind of how things are going to play out. They just put a dollar Jimmy Johnson all year. Long IT'S GONNA pay off right here. Of course we want to hear from you guys all day long here on motormouth eight four. Four NASCAR NBC. We will start with Carl from Akron. Ohio on the Pole Position Day. How You Doing Carl? Y'All doing I got a question for our kerchief and our driver we know that this is one of the oldest surfaces on the circuit. That'd be in California. So Steve for you as a crew chief. What challenges do you have setting up the car and KP you driving the track as a driver with a surface at this old okay PM my mind? The biggest challenge for Fontana. Is that the first. Few lattes are going to look like restrictor plate race. They're going to be packed up and then five ten fifteen. I don't know how long into a run. It's going to be all about handling. Can you simulate that in practice as my big concern right if you go out there and you run by yourself the whole time? Will it drive the same way and I believe that while we saw those crazy starts at Vegas in the end? You're going to have to have a real good car to get on. Those final two more front rows for the crazy restart the is. It's still going to be one that that's a good point. I think from a driver's perspective. You just have to take everything as it comes at you and what I mean by that. Is You have to be willing to run the wall. You have to be willing to run. You have to be willing to search if if if I get a laptop or I have a lap time and it's three tenths fat slower than the lap before. I don't WanNa go back to that place. I don't want to go back to that place on the racetrack. If it doesn't feel right you've constantly got have to adapt to what the racetrack gives you and it's constantly going to change and everything's in play down about the instead. We didn't talk about the bump shed. Which are you? See Kyle Larson video and social media going down the backstretch. Sorry Mario Block goes out of my mind. I don't know if there's there's plenty of sleep tonight thanks. Let's go to Kevin in Alabama Kevin. How you doing? I'm doing well man. What's on your mind. I WANNA know if qualifying is rained out should NASCAR Hamdi starting lineup from I practice and there was rain in the forecast. We hear what now is the crew? Chief is no because practice is about practise. It's not about competition and unless you're going to inspect all those cars that nothing should be based off for it because Kuchis perhaps would remove way maybe not run within the rules. Maybe be a little creative trying to get a starting position near the front. Maybe work on a draft. Well let's let practice practice. You wanted starting spot run. Gooden points lights and two. Everybody's on different agenda. Yes I mean could be to your point working on something completely different than even your teammates or you could go in four different directions. If you're a hindrance to the expert on the other end of the tape it would get great quick. Quick qualifying was based on practice. Yeah there would be a lot of things going on. Let's go to Elliot. How you doing Elliot Good? How about you guys good? What's on what's on your mind on? Twitter this is the year. Chase Elliott breaks out Every year it seems like goes to his death and tracks road courses or Talladega is and we expect to win but something was different Vegas. He had you know good car four. You have a right rear. Go down or something that run his day it's just Kinda neat to see and do good at a track that other drivers succeed at and I'm wondering if this is his year we can expect multi. Wins Okay. So here's what here's what I say. I thought he already had broken out. Okay sure I I have to say when you put the multi multi win seasons. That's a breakout year. That's a big year. I think what chase and what this team has to establish is a consistency weekend and week out. They've had some incredible bright spots. Last week was a great run and have a tire go bad. And you know that as crew chief and as a driver you'll go to stretches where everything that can go wrong. We'll go wrong and then you'll go through stretches where everything that should have gone wrong. We'll go right and you'll win races. Chase has to get on that track and fall into that and sometimes that's just the racing gods and racing luck that puts you in that position but I think he has broken out. I think he's the guy let's say it's A. It's a big weekend for the chevys because obviously in Las Vegas. They showed a whole different side that we didn't see in twenty one thousand nine. Can they bring that again? And Fontana well I would say we did see it in two thousand nineteen at Las Vegas about that track lines up either with the Chevy car or the Chevy Teams Hendrick specifically. I thought had good runs Las Vegas a year ago. You talked about bumps Fontana. Las Vegas is a very rough racetrack. It's not quite like other standard mile and a half's I'll even throw Fontana in the mix you mentioned at once a year. We go there so I mean a second good run for the CHEVYS will bode confidence. But it's a long year and you keep it up and you you know when you get a model change and and the Chevys a little bit of a model change it always takes five or six races to fall into what that car is trying to give you. Even with all of the simulation and everything they have the bumpy race tracks warned services. Things like that seat of the pants still gets it done ninety percent of the time. I still does all right. Let's go to Clifford and North Carolina. Clifford how you doing. I'm good today. I'm good today. Cliff local and then to get through here like like it is. Toyota's race take a good lab was painful man that was paid. You got what do you got for us Blow my question is today. You notice how. The manufacturers won the first three last year. Same drivers have done the same thing this year with the switching occurs and the cars over and I'm really confident and the chevys though in the California and and break through but can't get my opinions got a really good stat there the past seven years. So it's question was well the. Toyotas struggle again in California this weekend wall the nineteen with the bright spot in Las Vegas and they didn't get the finish there but he had the pace lies. I mentioned Kyle. Busch didn't have huge expectations. But the other two definitely weren't as good as possible I don't know I don't know what has changed. The rules are basically the same as they were last year at the bigger tracks. They'll change it the shorter tracks which I am a fan of so I think the presure right. Now there's the least amount of pressure on the Blue Hills. Yeah they came. They showed up. They ran well. Harvard was up there. Pence gives up their Chevy. A good run. You just said it pressure to back it up. Toyota had bad road pressure to find something else. Now success to the Bulls. That's a good point. Let's go to Noah and North Carolina knowing what's going on guys. I was just wondering what you guys think of. Alex Bowman this weekend was the strong. Push up the field from last week on. What state they're Kyle. That's Kinda Racetrack. If we if we look at California that is a place and if and there's so many ifs here saying hey if the Chevy performances there and we heard Steve just talk about how the Chevys did performance Vegas last year if the Chevy performances there. This is a place that Bowman can perform. Because I think it's one of those racetracks that we know Hendrick. Motorsports has performed royal historically there through the years. But it's one of those places where he seems to find the groove and find the place not as not as dramatic as a Kyle Larson or some of those guys but he just starts coming once the tires get worn. He's one of those guys that funds that rhythm on worn tires and can come from the back to the front. I dare say at that. Last cautioned doesn't come out. He wins that race in Las Vegas. You agree see and it was a great phenomena. Lap-times told me he was coming at such a pace and I'm not sure blaming DABBLED EMMA. Now Lady said we would have. We would have kept him behind his easily. But I don't. I'm not sure he knew the full picture of what was happening there and now quick or he was smart. Show the full picture car or looking remarried. Drivers only give you about half the truth. Half the real who come to interview on eighty. Maybe half the truth Alex Michigan. What's happening today Alex? Hey guys so the question I have today is about Ryan. Newman's accident we know back in two thousand three he flipped at Daytona on the Daytona. Five hundred my good friend Jason. Jacoby remember very fondly. He walked away from that accident. How does this accident changed the rest of his career but also how does this change the outcome of the rest of the season for him the team and for Chris Bush or now you're the you're the best one and here's what I say for the team? I don't think we'll know how it changes the team until we get later in the season. Because I think that Ryan Ryan Newman has been a driving force to the Jack Grouch. Racing routes fenway racing back to where they are I think he's really identified their weak points and being able to to make them stronger so him setting out these first few races. When you're gathering valuable information how will that play out five or six races in the year and that will affect Chris? I think that'll affect the product that Chris has but I think Chris is a great little race car driver. Now as far as Ryan goes only Ryan Newman. I'm not going to get in the head of a driver. Didn't pretend to get in the head of they'll junior when he had his accident and had to set out for. You can't only that driver knows what they're thinking what they're thinking about coming back what their timetable is and how they feel they will react when they get in a car but they don't know until you get in a car you really don't know until you get back in the car what you're going to feel. I don't think I can even analyze the downstream effect to Chris. Butcher until we find out Ryan's table of course we all want to see him back in the car and the pictures looked great. But I'm no doctor. We weeks away. Months weak- I I don't know if they have the information we surely don't so until we have that information. I don't think we know without a doubt is thank goodness. He's okay but you want Ryan Newman in the car. Companies stronger with him in the car. That's why he was hired to drive back. Risher well coming up next. The mayor is going to be here with US ON NASCAR COMING IN LADIES and Gentlemen Jeff Burton Mayor Pinch challenging tense cliff. He joins US snacks. He's GonNa have a busy season ahead both. In and out of the car the mayor coming up next on motormouth Sunday march fifteenth in Saint. Pete indycar takes the Green Flag for the twenty twenty season here on NBC SPN and this May NBC is home to the greatest spectacle in racing. The Indianapolis five hundred new seasons almost here and we'll have a new member on our team as well. Everyone was asking me you know. What was it gonNa take to finally become a winner and I said minimizing mistake turned one clip estate out on the track. What X. to this type of town because the hairpin for the final time it's that low at them or maybe you're a buddy lead if he said a moment ago the mayor of Pinch town. James Hinchcliffe joins us now on motormouth. How're you doing hinch? I'm well guys how you doing. We're good man. We hear you have a new GIG or something right along with you. If that's alright you while I was GonNa say you realize that. Means you have to work with all of us. Check all the particulars of the contract you before you signed. It can't be good news right. You gotTa stop as so but you and I had this conversation for years like television is always something that you've always been keen to. You've always had an interest in it. Is You know and I really cool opportunities to do some stuff on that side of the other camera when I was coming up through the ranks commentated on Champ car races Jeremy Shaw the international broadcasts. And I've gotten paid Elaine EP. In the past so I kinda had a little bit of a taste of it and it was certainly something that I wanted to to look at down the road I was driving and I still very much plan on driving for a while but you know obviously with twenty twenty being a a bit of a gap year for me. I figured why not give it a try and kind of get my feet wet in the in the business well. Hanes low-tar here first of all welcome to the team excited to have you on board of always been fascinated by your personality and your opinion on the sport. I think it's going to be great for the fans to here but I'm four you to put your analyst hat on right away at this story in motorsports become a national news story is Ryan Newman. In that huge accident. You yourself had a huge accident back in fifteen you bounce back to be a pole sitter at the indy. Five hundred so. I know you can't speak for Ryan but take the fans into what drivers have to do to bounce back after those types of accidents. Yeah it's funny you know I. I was listening before the break. And you guys were talking about. You don't know until you get back in the car and that was the same sort of situation for me you know. I knew that I wanted to get back into a car. I knew that I wasn't afraid to get back into a car but I think there's always that little bit of anxiety in the back of your head that what if there's something self conscious that just doesn't let you drive on the absolute limit anymore. Even if you really want to you know so much of a performance from a driver as a subconscious thing that that ability to just kind of draw that last one percent the last few tenths of a second and that can just disappear whether you want it to or not and that was my big fear getting back into the car. It wasn't about the speed or getting hurt or having another accident it was as my mind still. GonNa let me drive at the absolute limit and until you jump into a car and see for yourself. You just don't know but you know you can't be Ryan but I know he's a racer and I know that he's probably dying to get back behind the wheel and An answer some of those questions for yourself and everybody else fascinate. This is cow and I want to echo. What Steve Said? Welcome to the team. I'm sorry you have to work tomorrow with Martin. I know but I do want to ask you. I saw your video that you put up on on twitter and instagram. That would be that. Made the rounds and it said you had an opportunity in there. You speak of an opportunity. This rare sports a second chance an opportunity to go back home to a team that you consider family explain those emotions. Yeah well you know I think if you look back at starkly in our school a lot of sports when I was an athlete and a team sort of part ways. It's usually for a reason and it's rare that that they come back together. It's not unheard of but it certainly you know a rare thing and and that's really what. I'm getting to do this year. Limit SCHEDULE THAT. I'm doing you know back within the score who I spent three years with the two thousand twelve to fourteen and the only reason we parted was really commercial issue more than anything. It wasn't that we can liked each other or we wanted to go our separate ways and you know Mike an eye michael-andre and I always kind of joked here. We run new other than paddock. And say you know one day. We're going to try again we're GONNA. We're GONNA try and do this again one time and you know it's a crazy story how it all came together but ultimately we're we're back together and it is kind of like a bit of a homecoming. I maintain great relationships with a lot of people on that team. Engineers mechanics drivers. You know half the drivers on that team stood at my wedding. You know so it's It's a great group of people Environment that I really enjoy an atmosphere that I think is really conducive to teams pushing together and helping each other and making the whole team better. And so I'm I'm very excited to be back there and giving it another shot. Well if the stories that crazy my first bit of TV advice will be. Don't tell it to anyone. Here's why rain fell buddy and when it rains in your area get to go to the motorhome and hang out when it rains in your own. Tv You're going to have to have some great crazy stories. Great Fifth Grade. You know you do have the GP to kind of get warmed up. I guess but what are the challenges of just hopping back into a car at indy? Trying to do to thirty at the overwhelming doesn't also add pressure. Maybe even that you're you're GONNA be an Andretti car. Because those cars are expected to run up front in Indy. Well I mean I expect throwing up front in India so I think that pressure comes from within more than externally if anything. Gp is going to be more of a challenge. Because you guys are going to be coming off four rounds. They're going to be warmed after. GotTa be race fit. You know the Russell be well and truly blown off for me. It's going to be you know my first time really back on a road course. Having not been able to test in the off season didn't take part in the Austin tests so that one is almost going to be more of a challenge. When you get to the big old hole we get a test on the on the thirty twenty ninth thirtieth April somewhere in there And then you also get the whole week of practice. It's the first oval of the year for everybody it's actually a much more level playing field so the GP and a lot of ways it's going to be a bigger challenge in terms of just kind of jumping in the deep end and and trying to get up to speed but with all the all the cars that Andretti run. And they they. They're known for running a big stable but there's known also consistently getting every one of those cars to be quick. You know when you build these cars for the speedway. The smallest difference can make a huge impact on the on the track. But you've seen time and time again they'll show with four five six cars in every single one of them. You know shooter. And so I'm excited to get back behind the wheel at one of those We're excited to try and get back on top and I've got a lot of great teammates to lean on over that practice week to get up to speed. So you're not only going to be a driver analyst on pit road for the INDYCAR RACES. You're GONNA be doing 'em so you're going to be part of our brickyard four hundred weekend coverage on non Nascar coverage India's well so what has you most excited about the TV side? Honestly that That July fourth weekend brickyard is is pretty cool. I'm definitely excited to see that. You kind of the first one on the new date and I think religion is going to be You know cruise in the infield looking for trouble so that could be kind of fun so I make a deal. I'll help you see this site at the brickyard. Four hundred. But I've never been to an indy. Five hundred ooh La Vie. Come on you gotTa show me round the brickyard on the big weekend for the indy. Five hundred I know a guy. Yeah well I know. I've got one better. So this guy over here was making deals throughout the rolex. Twenty four but Alexander Roger Man in a in a junior motor sports car so we get hint to ride and xfinity series race on a road course before he does the brickyard. Can you make that happen? Well I know a guy. That'd be honest he. He's a below above our pace over. Who could pay for that ride? But Hey I got news. Come hang out at the rolex. The deals are made on the pit box at the rolex. Are you enhanced if we can get you an xfinity series ride at the road at a road course? Timing out man. I've been done one of those for years right whether it's the role Charlotte. Whatever let's go. It's got four wheel. He'll make it happen before. See how this happened. They will see in Saint Pete. Hand too it's going to be awesome this year. Yeah can't wait guys thanks. Yeah we'RE GONNA be fun to hang out with James Hinchcliffe this year. We'll get back to your phone. Calls next year on motormouth hit US up though social media at the Hashtag. Let me say this NASCAR AMERICA ON. Nbc is brought to you by Liberty. Mutual Insurance only pay for what you need grassroots moment of the week last Thursday Kyle Busch race at the Las Vegas Boring for the first time since two thousand seven of course what do you think. The scored the win a super late model of yours by slightly better than that first win at his home. Track IN SEVENTEEN YEARS. I want to one of your last. I never wanted my own care way Yeah ever you can watch more great short track events NASCAR ARCA AMERICAN FLAT TRACK AND END. Sach and with track pass on. Nbc Sports Gold Tribe. Today at NBC. Sports Dot com slash track task Unofficially Stephen Z number. One user of track bad as long as I love constantly wears out track pass as a matter fact. I mean who couldn't think this up sooner? I mean you know who's the biggest non fan currently is Mrs low-tar oh she was go so I definitely nothing and now my son has shown me how to throw that up on my TV. So now it's like I just watch it like wait. You put a whole new dimension even. Tv here is my apple TV. Chain Gate Ma'am tell rates awesome. That's good I gotta clearly. I'm behind the Times. Let's get back to the phone lines. We're going to go to Matt's in Tennessee Matt. How're you doing today but Matt stylings here Her comment Kid first of all Jack Rouse shows. He's listening he altered Greg. This'll in in the car for a race. Which leads me to Greg for one truck race at Texas. Last you know Kevin Harvick's got a fifty thousand dollar bounty on any driver. That can how Bush in one the four chuck races. I don't know which tracks they are remaining that he's run out this year. But I know Danny Ham on and often dealing has said that they're interested in running now if KBM dirge ems would give Alex Bowman Kurt Busch Cole. Custer or Dale Earnhardt Jr. chance I believe they can be cowed and let me tell you. Time driver listed half the field. You're just listed man. You had your back with boost. Yeah GimMe Gimme To Allergy think What could be called US over One of the races. I wouldn't one. How about Kyle Larson at Miami? Can someone please truck ride? Yeah I I think only cowboys can be. Sometimes when he gets in truck listen. I think it's a great concept. I think it's stirring conversations it's made you think about different drivers different drivers that you would like to see run the truck series to run against him and I think that's good for the sport I I like. That is out there whether it never happens or not whether anybody takes up the challenge. But it's got people thinking you know care for what you pick what you choose what drivers choosing. I'm GONNA take probably. Oh I don't know William Byron or Christopher Bell because as I check their talk resumes truck. They may bounce back but hey listen kyle. Busch won a lot of races that they were in. And I'M GONNA give credit because all this conversation is because Kevin Harvick yes throughout and then Mark Simone. Back it up. That's right I mean it's it's it's a great story and I think it is no matter what it gets paid out because it's going to pay for the ones that say well. What about the truck regulars let me remind them that the half of that bounty it's coming from the CEO of the company that Supports Truck Series? So I believe but Kyle said earlier this week for the truck series regulars. We've already had seven chances to do it and haven't been able to service and and again again we're talking about it talking injured thinking about it and that's the main thing you're thinking about. You're sitting at home thinking. How would this work? Who could do this? What if this guy got in this trucker this guy got in this drug which is good for the sport mother to Ohio to our Buddy? Marvin blue how you doing Marvin and how you doing marty. What's happening but what's on your mind today. Oh my question for you. Guys is With Auto Club speedway celebrating Kobe Bryant this weekend. I gotta ask you guys this question. which paint scene from William Byron or Ryan Blaney. You See who get the most advantage in the win on on Sunday shows that we're all sorts fans all the way around and and Nascar being in L. A. Obviously wants to pay tribute to Kobe as well. I think both of them were great. They both look great. But that's my vote. If you're asking who's going to run the best. I got that good looking body armor twelve right there the Kobe tribute. I explained it run really well and I think that's going to be a popular skiing out in California. Yeah I think no doubt certainly appropriate when you're out in La to pay Paichadze to Kobe and everybody thinking about him is his entire family so coming up next we'll head down to ruts basement. How you do with Jimmy Johnson Quiz you think I would fail miserably. Never worked with him. But that's all take the quiz together. How `bout that that Awkward Prologue to? Yeah you know. We've learned in the last thirty seconds. Steve that chase watches NASCAR? America influential show is to the community. We were talking about the truck series. Bounty guess who's going to enter the truck race Atlanta Georgia zones going to Atlanta Chase Elliott. Gm love it. You put one hundred K. On the line like people are gonNA find rise. Might make something happen. I wish I had the phone number of the website. I put it up for ticket. Sales could you go out to Atlanta and watch? This thing is going to be battle. That's a double header with xfinity. Same Day saying Oh yeah. It's an awesome show. All right I just got up. I'm driving down go SELENA. Let's go all right you too on a road trip you good by the way you guys hear Jimmy. Johnson's final fulltime out there. And where did his first win? Come on April. Twenty eight two thousand two. Jimmy earned his first cup series win in front of his hometown. Crowd at Auto Club speedway fever. You were at Hendrick motorsports at the time. And I'm sure the shop reaction was good for Jimmy. Johnson Shaw the words after that race when you look back at your first win. What do you feel about the party that night? The party huge moment track team all the stuff. We surf finish line. We're going team has cigarette destroy. I assume ongoing Charlotte and I see Jeff and Jeff is going got a bus. We're taking a group of people who are going to La. I assume you saw the sun come up. I wish I would have made it that far. Maybe a little too excited I had to turn it in early. Oh He's got a great time was two thousand and two for four four. I was wondering where that story I know. A few on the shock part of your reaction life was shot. I could really shocked. I consider Jimmy Johnson. A good friend. He's a spectacular teammate. But the day Jeff Gordon walked into the shop in two thousand one and said Hey. We're going to expand we're going to expand to two cars. We were like. Oh okay out of the shop to Kars four federal. Who's GonNa drive it as Jimmy Johnson? And we all kind of looked in like come again because this point. Jimmy Johnson had one nothing vinnie series and the story Goes Jeff. Followed them in a race. If you saw what this guy was doing with the car he's going to be spectacular so we hire men and and he races and none of us really believed it and then he won that day in in Montana. And we're like Jeff is talking about him. Eighty three wins and seventeen later. Just proves that Jeff Gordon Zahn only driver but an unbelievable judge of talent. The talent scout that was his tenth race of his rookie season as the way. Just in case you wanted to know. So Jimmy's first win was the subject of ruts latest quiz for drivers which came first. We gotTA ruts basement to find out. I've had a fun game. I've been played with everybody which came first so your First Cup. Start October. Seventh two thousand one at Charlotte Motor speedway. Doesn't feel that long ago I was just thinking how long and the fact that you've made a game out of it ever really did which came first his first cup start war. Really Irish was born billy. Bush has come with Jimmy. Johnson's I've never heard of billy. I do you know who that is. Now I've heard the name for the girlfriend told me you said after after Britney Spears. Justin timberlake breakout. Was that before after. Jimmy's First Cup start. Who Cares Bernice Brittany? I love you Justin Timberlake after a hard time for tough deal. I mean that's about as cool Guy Right. You can find legitimate first. Ipod came out. Didn't have an ipod before or after. Yeah Oh yes yes Jimmy. I three weeks Jimmy. Johnson's First Cup. Start OR WILLIAM. Byron was born blow hellos willing eighteen. Sixteen William Byron turn to twenty one. So William Bonds Birth Byron was born in before Jimmy. Johnson's for start before. I had the pleasure of being twenty first birthday great. Hey here's looking at you. So was that a shot of water. What was that? I don't know if it's too many. He will get on the roof of a golf cart that out now. He admits by the way Steve. Geez you know. There's a Kyle petty quiz to didn't I wish I would have studied. It did not make the cut for basement but there is a kyle back with. Everything came after cal. I feel bad about that because I don't know who. Billy eyelashes either artists artists. Yes yeah there. You go all right question number. One Kyle Petty Quiz. What was the number one Song Kyle? Petty made his cup series debut. You would have to go genre. You GotTa give me the our discussion. I got something to add after this because I didn't know that was August Fifth Nineteen seventy-nine just to put it in perspective board in May of one thousand nine Hundred Barrels Donald K. You like this song. Got Something on that. How old was William Byron Wound Kyle? Petty got his last Cup win. I'm not sure about when it was born. When Calvin about that minus two your laughing up ninety five on right about William Barron born in nineteen ninety seven and Kyle petty got his First Cup win in one thousand nine hundred six? What was the number one movie that year? I know that because I'm married to eight girl. Okay I'll give you a hint there's a sequel. God One grossing movie Sequel Comic Big Wheel. Topgun good yeah. That's the Kyle Petty Quiz everyone off. That's pretty good. How about that? Good the answering message on my answering. That's another TV show. Yeah that's another one. We got time to slip in a couple of calls here. Let's go to Bob and Pennsylvania. Bob How you doing. Hey guys I'm doing all right Another question I'm a big fan of Jimmy Johnson's and do you guys think he can get out. It was winning slump. This weekend at California Steve. I'm not willing to put California as the number one place. Can't he absolutely will he? I don't think so but I do believe Jimmy Johnson Visit Victory Lane in his final full-time season. Putting dollar wins this year. We're on the same page. I will say this we on motormouth on on Tuesday. We had multiple Jimmy Johnson fans. Call in I cannot believe how loyal fan base is. He has a fifth-place finish and they already having an eighth championship. I mean they just believe and I mean that in a nice way. I'm not. I'm not being derogatory. They just believe that he can succeed. They believe he can win. And they believe he's going to turn this thing. We'll go one further that if he does win this weekend. I wish I was there. Because I think there'd be another bus to La for art can through female Doberman throughout dovers. Maybe that's coming up races. They're coming up. Nate Ryan joins us with your thoughts from social media with let me say this here on motormouth this Saturday Monster Energy super-cross comes to Atlanta or toll. Mak will look to get his third straight win and extend his championship. Lead tune in Saturday. Five eastern right here on NBC SNL. Let me say this. I'M GONNA say this I'm GonNa say this. Let me say this. But I'M GONNA take but I'm GonNa take telling you can. I'm telling you that I'm telling you something forever and with that we greeting today Ryan Co Today. Ever get tired of me how you get excited wearing a sweater. I am disappointed. No sport coat for me a for American. Like the sport codename. I'd next time Marty just for you Hashtag let me say this. Bring it started from Italy. Stockcar live I Italy Italy. Really? This is that's bank this all the time. This one's good. He notes that goodyear is brought a softer Tyre compound and he thinks that the lodge brace was evidence that already seen better racing. So what are you guys? Thanks for compound. That's after the chief question the Kuchis for loop. I'll tell you that being in the Garage Jerry in Vegas Listen Do I think softer tyres and highway tires make because it leaves opportunity for Kuchis drivers to make improvements to their car You know but it's easier said than done in a little softener in the mix but bravo goodyear tough challenge and they lived up to it in Las Vegas Retire Fontana. But it's always. It's always better right when when there's people who good at the beginning of a run good at the end of Iran I mean. There's you know movers driver's perspective. You like that yet. You won't because if you my dad used to always say the guy that runs the fastest always win. The race is the guy who runs the same speed and wants consistent. You can get your car to be young at that time now before they green white checkers and all this stuff which let's let's be honest about that. All Right Mike Hashtag. Let me see this wants to know. Does Las Vegas have better racing. Because of the reconfiguration of they did fourteen years ago. The increase the banking from twelve to twenty degrees. You guys both are familiar with the old Las Vegas. Las Vegas is having an effect having that progressive banking. Say we don't want to show because we don't blow it. I forgo a reconfiguration. That is a good question that is that is a good question because they did. They did they did they put they changed the bank. But I would. I would venture to say this. I think they have better racing. Not because the track change one time because the iteration of cars in the engineering on the cars have changed twenty million times and think about it. Think about the cars over the last thirteen fourteen years. And how much that technology has changed? Track has stayed the same so the track is great. The bumps help but I want to give credit to Nascar people. Don't ever want to give them credit. This package makes for better racing at Las Vegas to some not so exciting races at Las Vegas and yet we haven't had any in the last three with this Arrow package so so the tracks great. I'm not gonNA track but really it's this rules back. And the track is aged in nicely as well everywhere on that racetrack. It's very nice right now. Finally this is not really Hashtag. Let me say this but we have a tweet from Kevin Harvick melt giving chase Elliott Adeboye along from the down the hall office on much right down the hall has brought us to Chase Elliott News. Now you're bringing the Kevin Harvick. That's giving Harvard Kanada boy to He opened up another one of his baseball field sports. Charley Boy Kevin Harvick. That is a great program at Kevin Delaney. Do so I'm going to give him a tip of the half of that one you break anymore and get your own desktop. Maybe we'll have to be out in the hallway and I hear more of your calls when we come back on Motormouth as we continue here on a fun. Motormouth DAY NASCAR AMERICA ON. Nbc is brought to you by Liberty. Mutual Insurance only pay for what you need. See Nineteen Eighty. Us Hockey team in Vegas tonight in one thousand nine hundred good for you guys grand marshals last week cool to see that by the way coming up next on NBC. It's miracle on Ice Fortieth Anniversary Conversation with Mike Tariq. Oh and the man who called that Special Game Al Michaels. Still a good by the way new in town. Yeah Yeah I saw a snippet of that interview. It was really genuine having fun at the race. And they were having a blast. So Hey we're GONNA try to knock out as many calls as we cam. We'll go to Anthony in Florida. How're you doing anthony? I'm doing really good. How are you guys doing? We're doing fine it's it's it's really good to hear from you guys so so. I wanted to ask this question about Matt's better dental what type of ratio do you think he'll earn? First Cup series win at you. Don't want after after the Vegas race. I think just about anywhere on honestly I I think last year the team he was driving four. We just put it down a short tracks and some some specific places the speedways but the Vegas performance. I think opened up a lot of people's is I think with the wood brothers. Those guys can compete weakened and week out just about anywhere. I like it like say Bristol. Now I think anywhere anywhere. Love it all right. Let's go to land landed. How you doing today bud? Good good buddy. What's on your mind? I was wondering Gar course twenty. Twenty s How about MATTY DO DARK? I think Matti. Djba dark horse. I think William Byron my expecting to get his first win and move even further into the playoffs. I had him as dark horse. I think there's actually a bright crop of what I consider Dr Courses. That's good. They're all young have great futures but I have Mattia William Byron on the list. I couldn't agree more. Okay agree more cool. Let's go to Beaufort North Carolina. How you doing Great Gatsby? Quick FOR COW and Steve. Yes no answer. Do you ever get to watch a race at home like the average race? Fan If you if you mean. Do I move my refrigerator from the kitchen into the Dan within reaching distance and sat and scream at the TV and fast forward rewind and fast forward and do stuff? Yeah I do that all the time all the time as long as I can reach the refrigerator over here can set it right there. Yeah I'm watching it if I'm not there I'm watching. Yeah so always in the first half when Fox's on I probably get to thirty forty fifty percent of them and the other ones. I walked home slash like you guys watch every Saturday and Sunday vanity. Watch it all right. Let's go to rob and California Rob. How're you doing good? How you guys doing today especially GonNa let you guys know a big fan of the show and everything on weekly becoming on my Snyder San just normal man my research that Hashtag question racer okay just wanted to know Kind of towards Steve. What they've a lot with the CHEVYS and they really showed up in Las Vegas. How do you think they're gonNA show up in California Steve Jerry's out? I'M GONNA be interested as you. Chevy Big West Coast run. We'll see how they do that is taking calls to the end of the show. Thanks for watching motormouth. We'll see on Monday everyone.

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The Tour Catch-Up: Osaka ousted by Muchova in Madrid; Norrie falls just short in Estoril; Barty bests Swiatek in Battle of FO champs; Alexandr 'The Dog' Dolgopolov retires; Wimbledon's Middle Sunday axed from 2022

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The Tour Catch-Up: Osaka ousted by Muchova in Madrid; Norrie falls just short in Estoril; Barty bests Swiatek in Battle of FO champs; Alexandr 'The Dog' Dolgopolov retires; Wimbledon's Middle Sunday axed from 2022

"Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the show with the tennis poke costs by fans on today's episode fact by our crowd funds and jones and mike mckenzie naomi. Osaka is out in madrid. Cam nori foods just show in estoril and wimbledon's middle sunday is no more a cab. It's the bank holiday in the k which means a three day weekend. The weather has been absolutely abysmal today. Which i feel is just the perfect excuse really to just kind of sit. Sit in the living room and watch the madrid open and the world sika final path. Yeah it really dismal weather today not very spring like it's may how is it this bad it's say person say but yeah i've just been eighteen cake and watching sports day which actually sounds an has been rather nice but Yeah we actually have madrid. Kickoff already kicked off late last week with the women's side of the rule and we didn't really talk about it to on last week's episode completely snuck up. That was meant to start monday. Why is it starting on wednesday but yeah it was great. It was great. Yeah exactly. I see you again. Kind of continuous tennis. I i suppose say much to get through the men and the women and she appropriate argument for this to happen all the time and start one of the joys slightly earlier Get bit more tension on. Its first thing. But i've been notable stories. I say far in in the women's side of madrid. Let let's start there. Because we've had naomi osaka a he was. He's lost already in the third round of the of the madrid apron. Owner the second round even So she of say this is stolen on clay this year and she's yet to win a clay event so we know she's not the favorite surface. Let's let's put it that way. But yeah she's out in three sets by caroliina merkava who is actually putting together. Quite a string of wins aba. I have a top players this year. This is third win over top five. Say yeah managed to add a socrate to list of scalps for twenty twenty one. Yeah i mean we all know. I think a soccer is a fantastic hardcore player. We yeah we saw that visit the australian open and we talked about this season. I think just being a big opportunity opportunity for her to kind of showcase her skills on other surfaces because we feel like we have already seen in sort of full flight at the moment on clay on grass and madrid was a big opportunity for that but she came through faster round match gets misaki toy relatively comes to be seven five six two but against mika who has had a really good kind of twenty twenty one season so far very much i think much more natural clay courter in madrid. She came on stock particularly in that third set as she lost it six wine and i think it was very clear and i think she was quite quite free to admit really. The have movement on the core is just not very. It's not as natural some of the other players out there. And even know we know her for her and power. It doesn't count as much feel like home. A clay court players lights simona jala and ash party and You know she'll tech and you wouldn't say that necessarily the big power hitters of of the wgn game but you know they are some of the best clay courters and it still feels it name soccer really. Is she still. I think a step behind you know where you want to be. Despite being one of the you know the form players in the world. Yeah exactly. I think that movement not call. It doesn't come as naturally to you. And that's what moco really tried to exploit especially in the third set. She kind of focused much more on trying to move a soccer as much. She could around the cool. You know side and bringing it into the net and came together really nicely for mocatta yet to dominate really. That loss at six and she'll be up against maria sakari in the next round. So you know from one tough. Paid into another of see. Sakari is on holiday. You know especially difficult player. But yet really i mean i know it's as daca. I guess she's going to have a lot to work on over. The course of this case is she's gonna want to add a clay slam to her courage slams. I feel a lot of a lot of people may be including us. We bang on about the fact that name you saw isn't proven yet on a clay core. I don't think she's obviously terrible. But it's it's quite clear that she's got things to work on. And i don't think she can answer those appropriate by just being aggressive. Because i think on a clay court you get a little bit more time. And i feel like you know if she just is aggressive like you know. She plays her hardcore game on clay. Call the best the best players on a clay court because they're afforded that little bit of extra time that sort of able to to maneuver direct. The ball have little sore split-second to direct the bull a little bit easier than say on heartcall and as a result of that it questions name saw because movement and it's it's not up to speed at the moment i don't think so of aggression i mean it did what for i think cannot second-set but what is not working for. She's gotta think about being. Maybe a bit more defensive and maybe picking moments because you know i. It's it's one of those situations where i don't think you necessarily have to have a power game two to win on a on a clay court and she's may be going to have to have to adapt that from you know when she goes from a hall where you know she he she will be looking to end the points early and hit witness left right and center the baseline. When she can't do that she feel that she needs to be a bit more a bit. More versatile look more craft and guile needed but he knows you'll have plenty of time the coming weeks to improve. She's too good a player not to do reasonably. Well what do you know. Two main on a on a cooper and we all say we. Today we've had the taught path of the third round. Take place say really tasty match up. Stay joel which were quite excited for was actually say well number out against iga sheffield existing On garros champion. Well the these these are the last to klay call slam champions playing against each other and it was ash he came through seven five six fool To get into the final say yeah really interesting that they have faced off on clay and he was going to come out on top and it was quite a quite up and down battle know quite quite close really straight-sets but you know quite close sets and the boss. He went three down in that first set and You know get off to coarsely star. Pitcher managed to to come back in was actually never. She didn't leave off to that initial initial break. But what did you make of of of that match today. I mean i think actually apart from spec about sakari versus mcveigh which i actually think is one of the is. Probably the pick of the matches moore across the the men and women's draw. But this i think for me was the pick of the matches today because it is such an intriguing contest. Both have been french. Open champions fiance obviously the mo the current one and i think both of them have had really really good streaks of lightning. They both had double digit streaks on clay courts Recently so something was obviously going to give an. I think today. i think. I didn't think by plays well think. Tax percentage was see below fifty percent that absolute best. But i think ashleigh barty being number one having a bit more experience. And i think playing in stuttgart last week where she was in. I think unfamiliar situations where you know. She was going three sets. She like. She was on the verge of extinction a few times. Too risk averse i. It really really helped to her. And she came thr- i think she saved six seven. Bright points of one hundred percents i. Three of three on the field tech serves so i think that was potentially the difference and i think she will be a little bit disappointed if we know now. She's very young. We owe her game. And how how how devastating it can be on a on a clay-court. I mean us a streak at the maidment. Walk up to put up that ball team. It was straight-sets very very dominating. Yup i think just today ashbal experienced just told a little bit more definitely. Yeah like you said it just came down to these breakpoints early and often that early break. The party lost. She was much more on it after know with serve. Say she's really very tough to beat right now. Asheville say especially against philli top players. And she's patrick for next and they haven't she played each other on a clay call since i think about nine years ago so i would think doing masses such time. Okay policy must have been about sixteen and that for me also is a really really really fascinating encounter. Is i mean we know again. Givers talent on her day. Probably one of the cleanest ball strikers brought he is oversee such a graph during a bachelor on call and again that is just going to be another fascinating match up. I do feel like the winner of that has quite a nice route potentially to the final say you know i get very interesting very interesting match up there. That has been set up. Yeah and just a couple of things from this week We had lena's for going out in the first round she She lost the joe teichmann but she had six matchpoints she was five one up in the last set and then lost it on a match on a on a final. Tie-break say specialty. You know be ruing at that defeat. I think often having six points. We've sat j. konta. She's back She won a match. Which is good to see you back on cool and winning at i have to say. The victories were short lived. She then lost to seventy ver- in straight-sets compared to joe's clay-court run of two years ago. I think we kind of all rights by stations. A very much rajiv's this time around. She's really been struggling with his own going knee injury and a not able to put your think. This was the third win of the year. So it's a very you know. Slow incremental status for i thinks cross she can improve with each with each ornament and she's back now. Fifteenth seed is so flat are a little bit even that knife as the number fifty years. Yeah just flattered. As near the moment and i was hoping for her to run together because you know she was in that quarter with selena. So that paul. The draw suddenly opened up. And i think benches through against you today but does that taught sat in the to. There's an opportunity that You know someone to reach the semi finals. And i was hyping it could potentially being called into against it just just wasn't clicking and i think lack of match time on the call i don't know how fishy is wherever she feels like. She needs to play this. Because moss's one thousand but some yeah. Hopefully she can maybe rediscover some full in rhyme united tournament. That she's dumb. Wella one in the past so we'll just have to wait and see but yeah. She's she's going to need to start somewhere and to build momentum and it was a shame she can do in madrid definitely and as for the men We've got underway today. don evans through To to see. He came through. And long. Match against. Jeremy shaw He won sixteen in the third set. Dan did have three match points. In the second set to it it could have been shooter. Classic they matches where he's had match points in. So i'm glad yeah. She should get through this one. He loves plague shoulder as well lake before this season i think he was actually three three zero down in that head to head but i think he's one that lost he's now won their last three matches two and a half court one today. Hopefully he's rediscovered. Some of the full took him to the semi finals in monte carlo. Because yeah feel like the fact. They never won about chip betrayed You know he. He's he's put that right but he could he could. He could do so much more here. Yes definitely and he'll have. I think heck cash in the next round or john millman. I think her cash They haven't played that one yet but he beat her cash the other day. So it's winnable for dan so yeah fingers crossed safer in this one as well. But i guess notably looking at the draw all is probably at the very top rougher topsy because we don't have djokovic share this week he's gonna play carlos alcaraz in the second round to. He came through today so kid on call across birthday. Yeah which was he seventeen Going to be seventeen east that a good thing or is that bad thing for your birthday. You know it is i like nidal. I'm going to give you a bagel. Is your birthday present on on your birthday or do you think outcries you just going to be so of wrapping up the experience of playing so many tattoos growing up. I think he'll be all in for. I caught him i. I mean you would've thought he would have dreamt of playing play at high. I mean it's all it's all set in motion. It say come through that one. He may have yanic in waiting in the third round. Say very interesting. Section of the draw there and we've also Go well there's navy but dominic thiem is back so we strike about him a bit last week but he's back his out she pretty decent i think but i mean he's gonna pay rip in the quarterfinal so eat have to go rip left based on recent form to that one but i think teams should have a good few matches under his belt we've really where dominate team and i think that's what makes watching you know his first match particularly back a fascinating because you know you look at the people around his jaw Feces guy losses season on a clay court. You said absolutely no problem. But we haven't seen dominic thiem. I think since dubai on hardcore completely different situation. I hate peas. One hundred percent fit now and his put his struggles for motivation. And all that sort of behind him. And he's kind of come. Back with a fresh oppression. We'll we'll see that because if he should be one of the favorites getting into the french open but you know like other players he will be using madrid using room to build some momentum and he's got In his in his quarter so that could be quite that could be quite tasty and if if both days play his get there i think that would be a real acid test to really understand level. Dominic thiem is is coming back to. I mean i'd like to think dominic thiem on a clay cool you something that he knows very very well is probably his best surface. He will be able to come back. I'd reach eighty five ninety percent his level kind of straight away. But maybe i'm being unrealistic. We've been through lots of what it sounds like the the vs given so it it might be. It might be a set future you fought. I'm really reaching for him to seem to see him back until yeah and who knows. Andre could well forty rebecca battle. Stir gate because i think they might. Maybe maybe paying the said round and i feel that that is going to be another long along much. They had recently but yes lots lots happening. Obviously in the madrid. Draw cam nori. I wonder how far he can go. Based on his recent good form which will be getting onto Well we'll be getting onto now because we're going to talk about the tournaments that did happen last week that you have finished. And that was astro and munich and split star in esterel because yeah cam nori Run to the final which somewhat unexpected perhaps but a really put together ready ready decent week and unfortunately lost in a loss at break to ramos neyla who oversees a very seasoned klay quarter and. i guess Coming up against heyman in your first clay courts final on the tool. Atp circa he's. He's a tough tough not to crack on a clay court. Yeah i will say though. And it's something i think a bug bugbear for me and probably father tennis fans as well. I must last was a set and a break down and took a medical timeout and completely i felt stunted the it's obviously it just killed norys momentum and it was a it looked suspicious. Alert like something out of the kim. If i'm going to illustrate something of the diana your strips could play a. It was just it. Felt like to cut it to be true. And i don't know i feel like the or the wpa to sort of come in. And just just how like think about how they can fill at stop these tactical medical timeouts in these big matches Because i know some people might say yep at cap. Noreen is going to need to learn how to deal with those situations. But but at the same time i still feel like a robust widow. He had. He paid tennis. It wasn't going well for it was a breakdown is still wasn't going well for him so he decided to gay to his plan. C. and that was a medical time out for no reason or maybe was injured. Could have genuinely been injured but it turned. It turned the tide tide of the match. Really and is this a shame. Because as i said nori had all the momentum in that second set and if he was going to win it you you you felt like he was going to have to do it in two sets. He says saw british fangio little bit as well. I'm sure there list is out there who look kind of medical timeouts will with a little bit of a cursory glance to say what you mean. Yeah i mean ramos. Bananas has played the well. He's won the most amount of clay matches safe all this season. So he's he is the man on clay goodbye. Thought you were going to say. He's he's the bad. He's what the most batches after taking the time right. Yeah well maybe if you look into it you'll you'll realize that maybe that is his secret his secret weapon but i mean aside the final year he had some decent wins eva chilean and garin and some opposite of classic plague or dislike zhao's to save. You know decent week for cabinetry. Hopefully he can keep up. You know the results in madrid. He may play a faa in the second round. If if get there but yeah. Decent decent wakened especially of say. He grew up in new zealand and they didn't actually have any clay say in new zealand growing up. Where was he going to practice on. Clay say for him she do say well you know clever sound like i'm belittling him because overseas been travelling the world and has had opportunities to play on clay since then but oversight doesn't come natural Like it ronald scenario would be practically being born on clay. Say quite different upbringings space. I mean yeah. Huge respect the because yes we know i mean for many fans purchase fans will know him as a british tennis player as he said he did grow up in new zealand. And you do. It's probably quite hard to come across a clay core disease. exist so he's obviously put in a lot of a lot of hard yards and and it's really is really coming good for him this season. You know we've seen him in some big matches you that you had. That much is no doubt they'll show you open. He played in a delegate in in barcelona. he's really. I think you know he. Certainly i think entering this sort of real purple patch in his career. And i think as a british great is the. He's so picky on On clay at a time don evans is as well and that kind of genuine threats and going into the season. I don't think a lot of british fans would have thought much of the of partition on the clay season. So it's great to see you know in these fifties and monte-carlo is great to see kind of british interests being extended into kind of the latter stages. Because you know we're not gonna we're not getting it from joensuu. We're not getting a call. Up andy murray will we all know on right on garage. So it's it's great. See these two guys kind of stepping up pretty well on on. That isn't necessarily their most not true. One yeah completely agree and gives us. It gives us people to support for your perspective. It's always good to have solved some some up there and also the w we we always have people there about just fantastic and this week. It was bambridge and domingo. Final estoril They just lost in a law. Set tiebreak but i'm really good. Good stuff to get to the loss four. I think this was that they kind of the last stages of turbines this season. So i'm decent decent partnership. I final as a team but let me As well joel. That happened last week. Bmw apron. i remember going to this event about eleven years ago and it was the coldest week in. May i've ever had in my life. I mean talk about the weather being terrible here today. My fingers and toes like blocks of ice. When i mean at this event back in the day but yet lambeau nicholas bassillac. Villi has come out until on one this one. So that's his second title of the year. He won the dohar an earlier in the year when he he beat federer back in february but yeah he beater yang leonard strip in the final sales local lake. Oh in the final jamaica. Vase 'cause best nashville very strange his his ear has been these warranty titles but in every pretty but she's gone out in the first round so it's very all or nothing for him. I think he has this reputation as one of the streak streak his his players in the top one hundred. You know you have that win against federer as well. So he's obviously when he is on he is on and he's a pretty pretty decent competitor. He sort of reminds me of azlan said in terms of the he's a very big hitter. Very flat hitter a massive boost striking from the back of the core of what she's up the highlight of strippers bachelor's really literally the first point. On stripped serve pashas Bashed backer winner of the return. And yeah oversea. This came together for him. it's just like s. Consistency is his issue in terms of his tennis. And a guy he has a deadly iva guy out the first round or winning this would have been say if it was like the bid the twenty to the twenty twenty one season of really. It was like the best of times but it was also the worst of times. Shakespeare think dickens addict missing. Out on that yeah. I'm all for English literature i. It's a famous crepe gotten as whereas from anyway just on a bit more seriously. I mean he did take out casper. Rude one and two is very very very decent win against the guy who i think. Got the you know. You've got to the semi got the semifinals in monte carlo. Say he's been paying some very very good. I think what was kind of surprising about the final was a st street was that i think we all sort of expecting it to be alexander zverev but lo and behold he lost to evacuate the qualifier stripped getting to the final. It was actually quite impressive. Because he's been a bit of a judy and benetton when it comes to. Atm seeda been zero from seven until the event. So he'll be please. I think she made it through that stage but Yeah obviously bassil actually coming out on top and another interesting results from this week. We'll see it's very the top seeds but he lost in the quarterfinals to elliott of ashgar. He that may seem quite surprising. But if ashgar if people remember was the guy that pushed rafeh in the in the second round of ball selena last week and it just goes to show he ready genuinely was paying very well and not wasn't a fluke performance on the day. He's he's been putting together. Some ready like solid performance upset various. So you know he's actually Perhaps a real dull. 'cause not someone you want to place in vernon girls first round. Perhaps he's obviously putting together. A bit of iran epa ever corrupt severin paps. Cna putting these sweden's together yay. He's i mean he's six and two on the on the clay this season if ashqar and there are of similarities i think with him in crafts have in the sense that they definitely supplied applied. That trade on your regularly on the challenger circuit. It didn't really come up in early on in their careers. You know this sort of coming up coming to the good with a lot. More experience behind them Nothing if africa's similar age to cry says and as you said he's been putting some good results together in the last well since clay Finals in as well as the boss lady a pin way reach the second round as well So very good. I think showing here you know beating zverev as a qualifier getting to the semifinals. I mean yes. He lost to strip quite quite easily. But yeah i think it's it's another. It's just another example of a player. Who i think has plight the trade On the more say will on the challenger circuit. This gained all of that experience and actually think showing craft says. Well you know the step up from there to kind of these sorts of to fifty events It's potentially not as big as you know. Some people might think. And if he came through qualifying got some wins against through safari and mackenzie mcdonald as well and it was almost kind of the icing on the cake. Well joe at least ilia if ashgar. He didn't win the tournament and perhaps just as well because he didn't have to change in lederhosen insurance in the trophy ceremony. Light matthew lush hot day yeah they had a screen put up a good and change in on the very attractive bavarian traditional shore cinde. I mean it's nice that they will see praising the culture of the area but i think some some people might be in a bit like do i have to be you know it i mean i saw today octave professors be cancelled so i mean i'd for the unfortunately ba. I thought they were quite fetching late as an actually cost squalor of money like the real good policy traditional dc in the shops there. I like. It's not worth quite betsy. I guess if you winning a nice fair shorts to go with it that that'd be a bog. And i wonder if he'll keep them on keep them in his wardrobe able il. Just put them on ebay late today and signed maybe well yes anyway on that date. Let's take a quick break. Do join us in the second half will be looking at dokoupil of for time and News from wimbledon that middle sunday is no more and say looking ahead at the rest of the week madrid. So don't go anywhere. This is the pulsing show. Joined by jolan kip. And now we're going to move onto of mysterious player as we do in the second half of the show joel. I believe you're testing me this week. And before you start can i guess is it fernandez. No is not an undue overdose go. I'm not too bad. It's not an overdose. Go is never going to be when fernando vasko. We said fernando velasco way too many times over the last two weeks. So i'm i'm putting a financial vasko. Swear jar on the recordings from this point in. Okay i was just gonna say. He lost to christian garin today but i'm not allowed to report on him anymore. Say enough said you report on. How many wildcards. He's getting recently. Because i feel like it's a lot. It's andy murray levels of wildcards but anyway Right are you ready for your mysterious player. I am indeed okay so clean number one. I was born on the twelfth of eight through. Nineteen eighty-three right. Okay say they all almost forty that. Like thirty eight okay Could be found david. Oscar hang on switch off and we should genuine geeta and we can. T fidesz gave charity of choice right thirty. Eight years old serena williams. I think she's in september's and she incorrect. It's not serena williams next clean. I retired from tennis in twenty fourteen. Okay so they were thirty. One dinara safina incorrect. It's not dinara. Safina next clue number three. I have a career. High ranking of number four in singles number four number four. I want to say somebody like not a portray is it. Is it her Incorrect nadia obstruct. At this is a very very good shouts. Next clue i in my career. I won a total of six. W ta titles clemson. I wanna say elena dementieva but i feel like did she get higher. Was she like number two or three in the world. I probably one more than six hundred dollars. But i'll okay with her anyway. At dementia incorrect. It's not elena dementieva k. Signed on small small closet might might give it away I released my autobiography in two thousand. Seventeen entitled unbreakable am okay. I feel like i should say this. I'm breakable wait twenty seventeen. I was four years ago so that when they were thirty. Four acce- one but that's open isn't unbreakable. Somebody's go. oh oh. I think i may no no no. It's not because he was born in the world is going to say andy roddick incorrect is. It's no andy roddick. I like you thinking though with the hombres. Yeah yeah it's it's not a andy roddick. I said six. Wti titles right next clay. I played and lost the french open. Ladies doubles final with my partner khun cheetah martinez in two thousand one Oh my lord. Martina hingis incorrect. Sorry she would have. She was wo- number one. Oh this is a travesty. Ready for next. I give you this one. I've reached the semi finals of wimbledon in two thousand. Oh so they must be like may slay doubles player. Well as in maybe had like one one semifinal one semifinal at wimbledon is sort of the millennium plato. gosh the next three closer easier. If this is too hard fi is if i say sabatini or someone like that incorrect. Not sabatini trying to think of hispanic players by. I think okay. Next clue in the nineteen thousand nine hundred and nine wimbledon championships. I chiefs one of the biggest upsets in tennis. History beating martina hingis. Six two six love. This remains the only time. The women's world number one has ever lost to qualifier wimbledon. Wow gauche they were tied in two twenty fourteen. That's the thing isn't it. Yeah which thing. They've still more recent than game. My own back here. Oh if i had the nationality. I think that would help. Oh jill craybas correct is jill. Cray bats okay. Penultimate cle- it is nationalities. Say i have represented three countries whilst playing tennis as a pro the federal republic of yugoslavia serbia and montenegro and australia. I it's at least similar malek at the one that had it. Okay correct elated. I'd say i just needed nationality. Yeah i would never have gone if you hadn't said that. She said that was really hard really hard as well. I got to before i did. I found that very cool. All you feel unbreakable actress the surgery. Because i think it was more like a mental injuries. Enough say a yeah. It was quite a tough one listeners. Let us know did you. Did you struggle as much as kim or were you able to get that much quicker. Let let us today. we'd love to. We'd love to hear from me. I remember in what year was that. She did kind of make a bit of a run. At the aden she and go to like the maybe the coaches gnawing pretty crazy. Yeah fantastic. Thanks joe wright. Say i've got a question for you. Just just one day. And that's what our mailbag and we've got lovely question from underarm as on twitter. And it's about cabinetry so on. Durham ace us. How good is cap nori. Is he a proper. Yussef is player. What are your expectations for him. Joe jordan to you today. I on that one. Yep so thank you under armies for getting in touch with mellberg about cam nori i do think he is an old surface player. I think he's i think he's a very game sir. Think he's had enough time on the tour now that he knows how to just be like ever presently i think he might reach the last rounds set in the i. Think the clay cole hardcore in an indoor court whatever quota is i think You know he's he's always kind of barrow thereabouts. I think in terms of how good he is. I think there are still things. I think he can work on. You know i think. A lot of people talk about his double-handed backhand being something that sort of sort of exis- but doesn't really do much for him. i think he's come unstuck. I feel he comes on quite a bit on a hardcore because of potentially because of his backhand wing. i don't think he generates enough pace on it personally I know it's a. He's probably comfortable in in how it in the so of action but seeing as a fan on. Tv looks quite awkward and doesn't feel like he goes as far back as potentially it needs to generate power but Yeah i think there's certainly some improvements there. I think on the backhand side. But i think going forward. I certainly think that you know he he and him. And don evans. I think can kind of compete with each other for that british number one spot. I certainly think that don evans is the i would say. He's probably the he's the better is a better tennis player at the moment of playing better tennis. But i have no reason to see if donovan's evans does kinda suffer. Blip an and cam nori kind of continues kind of this form. I don't see a reason. Why not that. They can that they could potentially compete between number one and number two but i think sadly at the moment is a very solid british number. Two men's men's player davis cop and he would definitely be in not in not squad. So i think in terms of the future i think he's got very good prospects. I'd like see him get to a second week of a grand slam. I think that's potentially the next set making sure that you can do do more. The you know the bigger tournaments and get more ranking points and prize money. Because you know i sat and you think there's a lot of players in that sort of space between thirty and fifty who could potentially get one of those low low seatings in grand slams. And that's where. I think i think that's where carbonari could could aim for. I agree i think Second week of grandson would be fantastic at the moment. There is a certain fresher old unless he's or makes a significant step into seeding or think too. Yeah to give him a chance. I think next sort of go would be to be done. Evans's at the moment you know where he's in the top thirty. We have a seeding. Getting a win. Eva novak djokovic for example and making the semi finals of that would be great if we had like two guys getting to that bit. But i'm great question under mace and joe. I think we actually had another question. Say we'll go to buy questions guests so we also had linda get in touch with us on email and her question was this. Hey guys loved the show. My question is following the news. Earlier this week that roger federer will be auctioning off some of his greatest grandson memorabilia. Later this year what would be your number one grand slam item old piece of clothing that you would bid for if you had the chance so came more. Your your thoughts. Well when the auction goes live. At christie's i am going to be straightened. This spending my fourteen trying to buy one. Fedor is lovely. Corrigan's he w- onto to play in the two thousand twelve. When would've final thought. I'm sure i can few million for that. How much she think that would go for. A genuinely have no idea. I take mad. Law fat fans and passion is just gonna passion can just do crazy things to you and if you have the infinite bank balance you could easily go go out. Yeah i know. I think they are. Estimating collection to be worth around a million pounds and he federal isn't doing this because he's short for feeble charity a for the roger federer foundation say. It's all going for charity. I see i saw is happening. In june actually june july said obese. Sort of like auctions happening. I'm but yeah. I mean i'm not a massive devout federa fan as many listeners. Who neighbor. I am a massive raffin and say i suppose i'd have to give something rafeh related. Like maybe like the bandana he ward. He won wimbledon. Two thousand eight or something She's from his first rate and garros title. Something along those lines. That was there at at one of those greats maintenance in in time you don't see the the three quarter length trousers. He will his french open against mariana plateau. Yeah i shorter. Shorts have to say. I d long russia's outfits now i take that lovely purple shirt been wearing lately. I have with me. I want him to bring back the three day match playing in those that they must limit your movement quebec account. Imagine but yeah. I think i. I'm sure if something serena williams has see was up there that you qualify conic items would gave law. I think so. Yeah i think that's a. That's a great question from linda. I mean joe. What would you go for something andy. Murray related instantly. I wanted to go for stan shorts. They were the french open. The that set the tennis world on fire. A i'd love. I'd love a pair of of stan shorts. Of course anything andy. Murray related from probably from his first grand someone back in Usa flushing meadow in twenty. Twelve i would happily have that yeah maybe one of his rackets You know So yeah i think for me as something like that but I'll be interested to see later this year. How often goes and what is the most what sells for the most money because steffi a few a few lots no doubt a. We'll have a lot of fans interested with that credit. Cards definitely is a great idea. And you know. I'm sure he doesn't need to keep all these pez if she's hanging around side. Yeah i'm fame and talking about grandmoms some news from wimbledon which has cow and that is that from next year from twenty twenty. That will be no middle sunday so obviously at the moment we have a rest day on the middle sunday on the tournament. Which means that come. Monday of the second week. It's all kind of guns. Blazing old around of sixteen matches. You have to have have to happen. Oldham's aimed as a manic monday But that is going to change from from next year. And they're going to have a traditional schedule in line with other slams where they just play on every day and there's no sort of day off which i think makes sense from a multitude of of perspectives but i guess it's sort of got used to middle sunday s phase if when you're tending as a fan it can be quite hectic fueled. They're like the whole of the first week queuing and it's quite nice to have that day off arrest by but i think if you actually there it must be annoying having like day with tennis in the middle of the event. Yeah because the the the reason that middle sunday exists in the first. I didn't realize this until i was doing some research. It was as a deal with local residents because the men's final use to be played on on a saturday when they wanted to move it to a sunday the community around the all england club which is quiet and unpresidential area. They set the won't they wanted that to be day of rest So they felt it was essential and therefore that was a deal kind of struck and from there on in middle sunday kind of existed. And now i think it's obviously existed for a long time as a fan kind of growing up. It's always been there you know. They've played on sunday for a few occasions. Severi so sacred time but played on their four occasions most recently in two thousand sixteen. So you know for me. It's it's very much. I think it'd been like the key ready for me is it's thing is something that i think is part of the the identity of wimbledon. But i do think that we've sort of the you know. The changing of habits and particularly with weekends is fans. See working on on weekdays. I feel like this makes sense because you know. Having old is old is quality matches on monday in across the men and women's joined the round of sixteen. I feel that you can spread the wealth a little bit there and some of those matches on the sunday and get people who might be working on the monday. You might miss those matches you can. You can spread the out in the weekend and cry. Really great atmosphere on that sunday matches the might necessarily know how to a bigger crowd or big atmosphere. It was kind of played on a monday a eleven. Am on an outside court yet is true it does have a bit off to having a day off when you're like you said a lot of people of work on sunday and it's you know we're not really. It's not like a traditional everyone's going to church on sunday anymore as we were doing things and able to kind of go to events you know when the pandemic snow own but yeah i think i think this is a. I think this is fine. It's yes breaking a bit with tradition. But it's not really a massive Massive change like you said. I remember it twenty six. That was terrible And they had to. They had to buy on that sunday to catch up. So it's not like they haven't done it before i mean i feel like the tradition now with with grand. Slams is a do think we are. I mean yes we are. Moving wimbledon is going to a more traditional monday monday. Monday start for two weeks ending on that second sunday but a d think that the tradition potentially in the future could be like the french open where they do salt on the sunday. I do like the idea of more tennis being played on on weekends and i do. I was hesitant about having placed on sundays to begin with. But i'm increasingly coming around to it with particularly with you know. People have seen more downtime on the weekends and getting more exposure on on tennis and potentially spreading a slam out you know if possible across three weekends might might could be the norm in the future if they wanna get as much exposure as possible. So it's not who just crammed into the you know the weekdays from that monday particularly want to create a know a big bang or big kind of launch to it. You gotta get on a week on the weekend about. They agree yeah it to ten. Am monday morning. You're in the office and then it's kind of yes. It's like this. Massive sporting event kicking off does seem a bit strange twenty but yeah listeners. Let us know your thoughts. How how do you feel about the middle sunbathing. How'd you feel about when assam should start. Leszno your your take on that one. We will say some of these joe for retirement announcement at this week from alexander dolgopolova of who And sadly cooling day on his career dot gov. he hasn't been around really has for wall. I think he's really struggled with injury. A wrist injury in particular. What she go about three days ago and hasn't been the same since but yeah shame because you know he was up in the top twenty at one point You know. I did see him play. I think you've probably was around. Twenty ten not phase. Ah remember him being caught permanent fixture in the tournament. So i was kind of going to as a fan. So yeah shame the he's a hatter catastro- co-ceo his career in in this way. Yeah yep of boever facade one you know likes to seize players announcing their retirement because of kind of injuries for me dogo was one of those players who was such a unique kind of proposition on a tennis court. Very kind of unorthodox wasn't tool guy but he was quite hard player to kind of read tons of a insensitive but say it's kind of he was quite as he was quite wristy. Y-you like t. employees angles and different times of spins and slices. So in that respect. I so i'm not that surprised that so. He has been hampered by kind of a singer in his later years but yeah he was certainly a you know an entertainer and if he wasn't kind of a you know a necessarily a title win. Yes you had kind of three titles in one of grand slam quarterfinal to his name. But i think we'll do. I think as fans remember him. So of more for the you know the matches he's played in the style i think he brought to the coal which is a little bit like way shayo on the on the women's side. I think he's a little bit like that. On the on the was like a little bit later on the men's of such an awkward player to play against that it really got his opponents. Kind of about how i'm going to. How like how am. I going to defeat this player. Who who come bring into the court that you don't really see in anyone else really. Yeah he was quite distinctive quite quite unique and oversee his stylus well. He didn't have the ponytail of longer hair but yet he hasn't played in three years. I think his much was rome. Twenty eighteen against against djokovic say unfortunately you know unless he has a research few years always a bit wary. say the retiring. Because i'm like oh well you know we have seen stranger things that people coming back off too many years. But i i love joel. How you say on our notes today that you you remember him for his twenty eleven indian wells is to with zeno remember that came. It was an absolutely it was up c classy. I think you've actually taken out of your memory because Yeah he the tournament pits but not dial and lopez got to that men's doubles semifinal and lost to federer and veronica and in federal favorite loss. Adoga plov a melissa and the final but it was sucha. I mean it was such a memorable rum. Because i feel like that was a complete scratch. Pairing they won all their matches in championship. Tie breaks and they played like a huge. Hey of tennis players across singles and doubles they beat the ba- beat the bryan brothers. In the second round they be andy. Murray bravo's in the quarterfinals and then Yeah they beat a federal and africa in the final. I mean that is. that's not shabby. is it off. Olympic champions at beating. So yeah that's really good foreign said to to win that title. Yeah blast from the paul stab love remotely per together definitely definitely won't more plays but that that brings us kind of a joe of see. We've got madrid happening this week. So we'll be back to round up the finals and the latter stages of madrid. Perhaps we should do some tentative predictions for the Forage before we. It's sort of interesting. I think dominic in the men slide teams of an unknown quantity. I quite like bertini In that baltimore off particularly against medvedev annot surpasses. Obviously there. if you're gonna ask me to make some predictions in semifinals. I'm going to have to a new. Maybe this bit play nick. How live in that top path. I think will come free dominate team due to lack of match practicing our beat swear of And then in that baltimore. I think i think cisa pass and i think bertini so many gay cisa pass bertini that baltimore from the dowell. Nidal dowell replay. I've taught path final nadal. Cisa pass for. I think we're in for another analysis pastorino and to be on his off to that dot that finally they've just had he wouldn't not and i sense another nidal sense another needle victory as i'm thinking what would wear your was your head. I hope you're right. Joe yeah i have to say i think the going consensuses nidal's it surpassed so i think i think i'm i'm very much agreeing with you. I think instead of bertini they might be pcb in not baltimore. And i'm gonna give a bit of public radio. Burster in the semifinals as well but yeah otherwise i. I actually agree with joe ads for the women. I'm going to fash- policy. I think she's just seems to have the number of all the players right now. Whoever they may be say balti- bench which salamanca and sakari from my semifinalists. Interesting auty against. I think it could be bought. His up. lincoln in the final again with balti- winning again tonight I mean i think yeah. I think bossie really know who's gonna beat bought he'd the semifinal but they feel like they're gonna lose i'm gonna say bought maybe bought he bench in the semifinals bodies. Come through that thing that the bottom off is most interesting. I can't believe he didn't say simona how they're might just convinced by. I mean i don't care how well elise has been playing this year. That's going to be retained three and four job. And i think she'll come through crow or peculiar so i've got to say simona halep and i i want to say i think you're right. I think i think sakari is looking quite good. I know she she started the tournament. Lucic giving a bagel to honest debate releasing getting a bagel from an over six love. But yeah i'm going to highlight sakari. The bottom half. And then i'm going to do a balti- jala final of which i think how that would come out on top I think collapse looked really in good touch enough confess couple of matches this week so i'm expecting to kind of come through. I know she likes playing in madrid as well think simona halep a thing. This is going to be some time. And she's going announced himself as one of the big french open title contenders right there. We go what shelley's tomorrow no. I hope she doesn't put Yeah we'll be back overstate next week to round up on the rest of the action from madrid and lament terrible predictions. Yes yes this is even listening to this latest. Catch up from the passing shot. If you want to stick up to date on all of the things in the tennis world make sure to subscribe to us on your costing platform of choice. Whether that's apple podcasts. Spotify overcast stitcher. 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What would you rather have. Clay stains everywhere. No let's say a washed kgo. Eight days in hilarious. Can you play tennis in lederhosen. I'd love to find out that is a very bold idea.

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Episode 75: Robert G. Penner

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Episode 75: Robert G. Penner

"Conversations with scientists about the creative process host. This emerson's guest. Jean kennedy a welcome to episode seventy five of the world shapers podcast and the first episode of twenty twenty one. I'm your host. Edward willett This is the podcast right. Talk to other science fiction and fantasy author about their creative process. And i say other because i am myself an author of science fiction and fantasy my latest novel from new york publisher. Daw books is the moon. It world Which you can find everywhere it's book three in my world-shapers series and i'm currently writing a new space opera for dog books called the tangled stars that'll be out next year I also have a recent release of from three really recent releases from my own shadow. Pop press shadow press dot com including one by e c blake ec. Blake is suited him of mine and he was actually a guest host on here way back in the early go you can find it on the website. He sounds a lot like me. Only has a texan accent is put back on the accent. I used to have. When i moved up here from texas. When i was a kid. So you can check that out of your. What is lake also wrote for books he wrote. A trilogy called the masks of agreement which is kind of a young adult fantasy dystopia trilogy and very well received. And he's now put out a new book called blue fire through shadow operas If you want to check that out at shadow press dot com. It's an epic young adult fantasy to other recent releases of from pop. Press are re releases of books that were originally published by osman doran press bundoran unfortunately is gone now so the rights reverted to me and i put out two editions of right. To know and falcons egg these are Far future space opera adventures collectively. They're known as peregrine rising So check those out if you bike Far future space opera outerspace adventure and checkup blue fire. If you'd young adult fantasy adventure the other books. I really want to mention. Of course are the ones connected to this podcast. And the first one was shapers of world's that's an anthology featuring first-year guests of the podcast. It's available now in trade. Paperback book everywhere. It features new. Fiction from sean maguire. Tanya huff david weber l. d. madison junior dj butler. Christopher rocco john c. Right me and shelly. Edina and from john sculley david bridge. Haldeman judy eastern eva fonda the doctor charles e gannon gareth l powell derek kukushkin end for raya dire that shapers of worlds that came out from shadow. Pop press. it's available through whatever bookstore you might want to order through You can find it on amazon. You can find it everywhere. You can also download the book version directly from shadow. Pop press you can also buy the print version from shop press. Although i admit i cannot compete with. The shipping costs that to amazon manages to get away with. It cost me a lot more to ship them out now. There's going that that book was kick started back in march twenty twenty and i'm working towards the kickstarter for a volume two Shapers worlds volume two. Which will feature guests from the second year of this podcast and that is also an amazing list of authors much longer actually twenty four authors currently planning to be part of that they'll be new fiction from kelley armstrong marie brennan. This is an alphabet order. Helen dale candice. Jane dorsey lisa foil. Susan forrest james. Alan gardner matthew hughes heli kennedy. Lisa kester adria lay craft. Ira naming garth. Nix tim pratt. Edward salvio brian. Thomas schmidt jeremy shaw and again me edward well then. They'll also be stories from jeffrey a carver. Barbara hambly nancy. Kress david dein. Sm sterling and kerry von so. That's a really excited about that. That kick we'll go live. I hope in march. And don't worry. I will let you know about it here. On the world shapers podcast. Great backers rewards starting to come in from out of those authors as well. So it's it's going to be very exciting right. I think that will do it for the introduction. It's time to get onto this episode's guest the first guest of twenty twenty one robert g. penner rubber pinter's the author of strange labor when publishers. Weekly's best science fiction books with twenty twenty is also the editor of the online science fiction. Zine big echo and has published more than thirty short stories and a wide range of speculative and literary journals under the pseudonym of williams squirrel is a canadian currently living in the us but will be coming back to rejoin me in canada shortly. So robert r rob welcome to the world shakers. Thank you great to be here. I don't believe we've ever crossed pads in person but we do have a kind of a secondhand connection in that. The publisher of strange labor radio press is based right here in regina saskatchewan. Where i live and i know john kennedy. Who's over there very well. And in fact the anthology that came out of the first year of this podcast shapers of worlds is being distributed through it disco canadian distribution company through the good graces of radiant press. So there's kind of a connection their connection. That's the real deal. So we'll talk a little bit about your canadian roots and how you got interested in when all this science fiction stuff so but where where did you grow up i was. I was born in winnipeg But very shortly after birth off my parents took me and my brother off to africa where they were in development workers with the central committee so on the first six years. Of my life zambia. Then we came back to winnipeg for four five then to swaziland. And then back to winnipeg. But i do identify as a winnipeg an interesting combination of countries. It is so how did you become interested in. While i presume like most of this you started as a reader. When did you first find your interest in reading and writing and was it science fiction that started with to come to that later it was very young. But when when we zambia when when we were small children my dad we weren't fairly rural ambience. That much to do in my dad renaissance the whole of the lord of the rings a couple of times in the whole of the narnia series and some of those classic fantasy Books when we were very small on so we grew up. Both me and my brother are already very engaged. In sort of speculative fiction and and the pleasures of like fantasy And when we got back to winnipeg can had access to the big public library libraries my brother. My older brother started taking on a lot of science fiction libraries and i followed. His path had two older brothers and one of them in particular. Read quite a bit of science fiction so that was the stuff that was always around the house. And so i kind of picked it up. And that's how. I got a really interested in it as well How old were when you came back to winnipeg i. I was six. My brother was was five or six and my brother was eight. I'm so we were still very young but let said because of the environment we grew up in we were. We were sort of hyper literate. Because that's alder there was for entertainment So by by the time. I was ten or eleven. I was reading science fiction fairly regularly an already. I'm thinking about about writing right. As as as play as an extension of reading and usual childish fantasy life writing was just a part of it. When did you write your first sort of complete thing. I mean i. I remember that stay dry was writing. I would write a few pages of something that i never finished anything until a little bit later. So how was that for you. You could say. I still haven't But i think the first time was probably a game. Tanner eleven like pieces Nothing very extensive But by ten or eleven. I was writing little short stories. I think about when. I wrote my first complete when castro glass hyper ship test pilot was called so you could sort of. I thought i thought science fiction characters have weird names hints. Yeah i wish i could find. It said my mom typed it up for me and it's tucked away in a box somewhere. And if i ever find it. It's going on like that just as people so did you. Right into your writing through high school. Was that something that you had to not as much i'd say in high school like trailed off quite a bit in terms of my writing and then when when it went. I mean you're just busy with a lot of things in high. School had just wasn't super high on my agenda. I was my friends and i at that stage. Replaying fairmount like dungeons and dragons and traveler and things like that. So that's a type of writing to when you're preparing games. Yeah but series writing wasn't until i i think i was. I was back in university until i went to university in the in the late. Eighties early nineties. And then i started writing more and more game and some ways it might have been triggered. A game by isolation might might late teens. They spent some time working on a farm in germany and and there was nothing left and again. There's nothing to do but but read so. I read an awful lot. And i think that sort of Reinvigorated my my sort of my emissions To right so probably late eighties early nineties. I started writing again. And it was a combination of both and and i'm a periods of isolation. Doing different kinds of work where where i was thrown upon my own imagination for entertainment. What did you did. You study any writing formerly like to take classes or what you i. When i started university. I did take some. I took a couple of english. Lit courses At the at the university of winnipeg And that influenced me. I'm at red river. Red river community college has a journalism. Pr program creative communications. I did that. I'm in my early adult as well. I'm so that was some fairly formal training. But but i would say the biggest influences in terms of sort of establishing style and voice would have been just just reading just picking up independent books in experimenting on my own on. I did tend to always be fairly experimental writer. I think music the type of music. I was listening to influence that kind of music listening to old punk rock in while especially punk rock but sort of more alan garnish pop music When there was a lot of room for sort of play in experimentation. I'm even something like the talking heads. There's an awful lot going on lyrically. That isn't very typical. And just gets a young writer thinking about what's possible with language if you really push stretch You referenced from like rocket interview with you. I read about too big echo. I was wondering if that kind of music you're listening to. It was also actually for writing. I listen to a lot of i. Guess what you'd call on countries stuff like steve girl and dwight yoakam and that's a lot more sort of standardized style of writing. I think that country country western probably also shaped series combination of punk rock and country in western. Probably shake my style and my voice one of the interesting things about country music is that there's a lot more storytelling in it. I think that in than other forms of music so many so many country songs are actually little stories. One sort or no absolutely and mike. Dad listened to a lot of country well. He grew up playing country music and so there was some country music fairly early on in my life as well wasn't a big fan or anything but there was always you know i mean i learned about wilf carter and hank snow in that kind of thing fairly fairly early on as you say. That's like they write little stories And so. I was aware from quite young of this idea of of the little story as being highly entertaining. So when did you start writing. Little stories for her get the published went at the publication. Things start happening at how very late so We moved down to the states about seven or eight years ago. And i had just started writing a gain. I'd finished up in history and one of the ways to distract oneself from preparing for class. I think was to to write in this fiction. And so it started writing a lot more fiction at the tail end of my my phd but then when we moved down here my partner was working on. And i was on. I was on a visa that required me not to work was not to make any money here while i was on that visa and so there was really nothing to do. But i'm shopping cooking and take your kid and right so i started really writing a lot rate when we first moved down here and started publishing in small Fairly fairly regularly. And compulsively. I'd say so s- i would say that the really picking up the energy that was about seven or eight years ago on. I started really writing and down here. We i was lucky as well. There's a guy called andy. Stewart whose published occasionally for a fantasy science fiction and. He has a new book. Novella coming out with a tour and he happened to be living here and at the same time so we we had similar reading and writing interests and we started working together a lot on in reading each other stuff that also was a big invigoration entirely writing science fiction. Kind of stuff for you. You mentioned literary writing as well in your little brother. Yeah i do both When i was younger it was more it was very much more literary all of this I dunno like sort of male confessional charles bukowski type stuff that a lot of young men might be interested in and i found it ultimately a little boring and started retreating into sort of my my childhood looking for for for more inspiring things. More fun things to write about nine began to realize that speculative fiction on really gives you a lot of freedom to just do whatever you want in terms of your writing on as started reading more revisiting. All texts And trying to experiment and write science-fiction In ways that i hadn't before certainly not. Since i was a child. I'm there's this idea that. I think academic sometimes have that you can just start writing science fiction and it's fantasy and it's very easy and it's i mean it isn't one sense in in that play but in another sense there's quite a steep learning curve on. I started reading an awful lot of short form. Science fiction fantasy venues and more novels and avella's and sort of trying to understand the craft from a speculative perspective and was on the last seven or eight years in that was also andy was again a fairly big influence He'd been declaring on. He was a part of that scene in ways. I wasn't And had a very good i. For what sort of. Contemporary science fiction and speculative fiction was like And so that was all in the last seven or eight years. I'd say started really thinking hard about it That doesn't mean. I stopped reading literary stuff for reading it. That was going on at the same time but was that influence. Indies influence was very significant while we often say in the field that it's conversation Field in conversation with itself. Then you know. It's it's very easy for people i think come into it and haven't read mightly experienced it. Write something that would have been perfectly fresh. Fifty years ago at the field has dealt with that or is now taking that idea in unexpected directions. There's all sorts of things going on that When i when i was young writers and i do quite a bit work with young writers. I will often get stuff that it's pretty clear. They've watched science fiction. Mike starter like that but they haven't actually read it absolutely And so i was shocked. At how in some ways how hard it was to to write something fresh look really fresh original because it's been an awful lot of very clever people being very grateful for a long period of time and it's pretty hard to just walk in and think well i can start writing stuff And impress people so we'll move on to the novel. This was this your first attempt at a novel. Strange labor or something. I i saw published Sir have a political horror thing a little while ago. But i wouldn't. I wouldn't call it a novel. Warren more of an experiment. I would say in terms of just a fairly straightforward narrative novel. This was my first serious attempt. Well pretty good initial attempt that consider so. I guess the first thing to do is to give listeners synopsis of it without giving away anything you don't want to get on. The basic idea is that is that people wake up one morning And and the vast majority of the population has become overwhelmed by a compulsion to to leave the cities in in dig. These massive earthen mazes elaborates and a handful of people that are not sort of Compelled to do so And may have to find a way to live in this new world where everyone has left. The city's in their building working themselves to death to build these. These massive amounts these earth mounds. These people don't talk. They just communicate somehow to themselves almonds. We have isolated. The small is elated. Community of people aren't digging Who have to make sense of this new world and find a way to live meaningfully. I'm sort of in the margins. That's the book on and so the structure of the narrative structure is a young woman. I'm traveling across the united states. What was the united states because she wants to find out what happened to her parents. They joined the diggers. Or whether they're like her. I'm so it's this sort of combination of kind of an ear weird post apocalypse with with a fairly traditional road novel so she meets various people on the ways and and various little communicates communities that are striving to make sense of the world This new world. They find themselves in. That's the book you could say. Structure goes back to o. Say the odyssey traveling to strange. Yeah and it's i mean it's it has a fairly epizotic field in some ways to like odyssey where it's just one thing after another It is yeah. It doesn't actually hearken back to that very old style of storytelling and what was the inspiration. And the general. What is your where your you. I know it's a cliche. Where do your ideas come from. But it's a legitimate question and you know how. How do these things come to you. What sorts of things spark story ideas and this idea in particular That was a dream fragment it was a very small element of originated in a dream fragment and just playing around with it after that it was originally at short story And the short story became the end of of the novel so in a lot of ways the writing was writing back story for this short story that i really liked and couldn't couldn't get published. I don't i guess in terms of where the ideas come from just life what has odd thoughts you write them down Occasionally dream Occasionally it might be something more pointed like a very specific idea like what if idea But but i'm a a mood writer so most of my most of my ideas come from trying to capture certain mood or feeling about the world rather than a very classic. Stein's fiction axiom. Like what like if x them. Why kind of writing. Which i really enjoy and i wish i was better at but It tends to be more certain particular moods or atmospheres that that trigger ideas and narratives rather than sort of a scientific notion strange labor. Do you explain at some point. Or is it more about the mood of the strange world Nobody knows what's going on and nobody finds out. How does that explain. I don't so there's not. I can't even give it away. 'cause i have my own ideas but in a lot of ways. I think the book wasn't wasn't about this interesting thing that happened. But rather this thing has happened And how do people respond. And and how do they make. Meaning out of something. They don't understand so if you were going to boil it down to a single through the philosophical idea it would be that These people are stuck in this incomprehensible universe that they can't make sense of and they need to somehow keep living despite this And so if you do. Provide a solution to that. Problem kind of undercuts the whole purpose which is to try to think about what it's like to live in a universe. You can't quite understand and still live. Well is is it that the question we all face. Yeah it is and i. That's part of why i was reading it. Just trying to think through on sort of personal problems on a in in an aesthetic way. You're you have a phd in history has your knowledge of history. Does it plan to these sorts of things. i mean. there's been many times down through history when people have found themselves Circumstances completely out of their control and not understanding. What's going on. Do drawn some of that knowledge of history and in writing things like this. I do um strange. Labor isn't a particularly historical book or anything like that But one of the things. It's really interesting in history. Like sort of professional archival history is is you tend. You tend to always start finding yourself looking back at the big events sort of through the margins. Because you're doing. Our car will work. Because you're looking at these really subjective experiences of history in some ways you stop king historically right you stop thinking in terms of these big economic and social sweeps on any find yourself often thinking in very personal terms because you get attached particular archival voices or perspectives. And these people never know what's going to happen. I'm they're stuck in the world and they're trying to understand there. You are like two hundred or three hundred or four hundred years later and you know what's happened but you're still sort of obliged to try and enter the world that these people exist and try to understand what it looks like and what it feels like when you don't understand what's happening or what's going to happen that very very lick working historian perspective of like how you enter the world of someone who's dead. Who's living in the far reaches of the past and doesn't know what's happening or just going to happen. How do you understand their experience of the world. And how they make sense of the world and what sort of the raw material the cultural in the social and the economic raw materials through which they live in this world on that you have a sort of a post-facto of that they're stuck in the middle of When you're writing a novel it's actually quite similar. You've got these characters that don't have access to the world in the way you do And i think For me the practice of history really showed me ways to sort of think about it will. What do they have access to. How can they think what are the raw materials of their life. And how did they construct. meaning that So in that sense it sort of sort of a meta sense His was very important to the writing a strange labor And other than that. I mean you have access to interesting facts. I guess you can. You can use the spice and flavor in a novel as well. The way most people might not. But yeah i think philosophically history has been very important on specifically to strange labor but to my my writing in general just for that. This is this way of sticking yourself into the head of someone who doesn't have the same access to the facts as you do but trying to do so was respectfully in thoughtfully as possible. There have been several authors. I've interviewed who have a background in history. So it's interesting and folklore case of china mcguire folklore at plays into it as well So the idea said it started as a short story. And then you had to create a backstory. So what did your planning and outlining process. Look like this. Is your first one would kind of deciding how to do it yet is. It's you play around a little but it was. It was actually a it made it easier to know what the ending was so in a sense. Everything's focused on getting to a certain point. The problem. the biggest problem i faced was that i'd like the back. I like the original short story very much in the characters in the short story very much so i didn't want to mess it up Wanted to keep it sort of true to the original troll tone and in style of the piece but it was just it was just. It was fun. I think it was mostly just fun. You say i. I've got to get to and i'm starting at a An had to get there. There wasn't there wasn't a whole lot of planning. Initially i started writing and it just it just took off from there You mentioned the aussie earlier. And so one of the things that was a little difficult was to keep it like structured and not episodic i think the biggest danger was just turned into sequence of events that That kind of very plotti way of getting aid. Be to see I think that was the big danger on particular for a novice was was trying to have a fairly classic novel listrik structure and get to where i wanted with. Just being like a straight linear procession. Yeah started writing. When i was about halfway done i kind of have to reevaluate the structure and of start. Maybe start think. I started thinking about in terms of of acts while if the final if the theoretical short stories act three. What has to happen glenn and act to. How can i give it structure in meaning so the reader doesn't feel like they're just being dragged. Did you ever write anything. Down as formal as outlying aura. The sops something reservoir feeling your way through taking notes as necessary to know synopsis. Too late but lots of lists lots of flowcharts. I'm a big flow chart fan So so there was. I would say about a third of the way through. And i started writing flow charts making flow charts and just trying to figure out what was happening when and how and once i started working with radiant press. I had to do that a little more seriously. Because they wanted more sort of background than i provided in the original draft which were very serve excess national and they wanted a little more back so them and then you start doing this thing where you're tracking the back stories as well as the the current store so i have to think about miranda's the main characters name rand had to think about her previous life and start working that into the material And that's probably when. I started writing a novel. Proper started struggling with the usual kinds of problems on that novelists struggle with But there was there was definitely. I think flow And catalog carnage getting rearranged on tables in all kinds of desperate efforts to to to to fight through the problem of structure you mentioned the character and other officers other characters had. How did you discover the characters. You need it for this story. And how much time thinking Detailing of them did you do before you started writing. Did they also emerge as the story advanced. The main characters were there in the original on the two main characters with the original short story on and they were just there just started writing the story and i needed these characters and and i came up with him when he started doing the novel on. Then you need to put in a lot more sort of Like unique lot words about them in need a lot more shape and form so i started thinking about the more and sort of pomp dramatic turns as characters. What's this character like and somare. I'm i've mentioned this in a previous interview before. But there were two main characters miranda and dave and my partner really liked maranda. But she didn't care much for dave who was sort of The foil for miranda. And i really liked dave so a good portion of the middle of the book is me trying to convince the call my partner. That dave's dave's okay that they've the alright and that was very productive way to do it. I'm because it really cause anything water the things she doesn't like about dave and you don't want to get rid of them because you think it's part of who dave is but then you also want to start showing eliminating aspects of his his characters so for me. The most satisfying part of the writing. The writing process in terms of character building was building and gave up in such a way that that he was fuller and more understandable than he had been in the beginning I enjoy reading characters. It's one of my my favorite things about writing. I don't know if i'm particularly good at it. I sometimes feel like the tend to look a little the same But i guess that really is a lot of the the pleasure for me in the writing. Is you get these fairly basic characters. And then you start building them up into into three dimensional forums in trying to establish how they're distinct from each other and so well ultimately all our characters are really aspects of ourselves. Because we're the only ones that we really understand if we undertake particularly distressing when the cold in like dave. 'cause that's awful lot of dave. What is your actual writing process quicker. You a certain number of hours a day or you go out and under a tree with quill pen It's shifted a little lonely. I got here. I get my daughter off to school. And do the or whatever and then have a few hours and i would put in writing Once got visa that allowed me to work that change then you find yourself sort of scrambling and scratching for reading time a lot more In the last couple of months. I'm we've all been locked in with the pandemic. It's actually been a lot easier so my daughter now online at school so once i get her set up in the morning i mean i have a couple of hours just just to rate So it's actually been the last six months or so. It's actually been relatively easy right. You just get up you take your have some basic chores and emmaus workin you get everyone fed and then and then you right on for a couple of hours until you get tired Particularly over the christmas holidays. I've just it's been very easy. Get up in the morning. Start writing on the novel. Did you write a quite sequentially started at the beginning kept pressing through until you got to the end. You mentioned that halfway through you had to kind of reevaluate. but you didn't sequentially. Yeah i do. i don't i don't know what it means but i'm the novel i'm working on now again. Just i just start at the beginning and start writing. And i mean obviously at a certain point you gotta go back and reevaluate rethink it me structure and you never know how much of it you're gonna have to destroy But yeah. I ate a b. to see basically how i proceed or of your people who write Working do scenes and stitch them all together later but most people. I think find it easier to just tell the story in that worry about fixing it later. Yeah and i every once in a while. If i'm if i'm feeling stock i might jump ahead. Write and go well okay. I know this. I know this once team has to happen later. I'm going to flesh out at least and maybe that will help me and go back. But in general yeah. It's just full steam ahead. I'm trying to get to the end. Are you a fast writer. Or slow writer. I would kirk office as as fairly fast. I'm kind of depends on an jonah. I find people right fairly quickly. whereas like in literature right in the literary behind literary stuff they seem to write a lot slower I'd say i'm kind of in the middle. I'm probably very fast for literary reiter answer a little slow for Kind of kind of a guy. I remember years ago hearing if someone who had spent like eleven years writing. I don't know half a dozen short stories up again. I can't even fathom that. I could not write that slow of my life depended on it but i'm sure get bored. There's actually a new on netflix. This great movie with with Meryl streep plays a writer Margaret atwood as raider and. She's horrified She's on a boat and she's horrified when she meets a mystery writer who turns books out like two or three a year and spent for years on a single book. that's a different two different approach for sure. So you've mentioned That you were trying you know. Part of your work was making your wife like dave. Did you have any other sort of first readers or beta readers that we showed work to give you feedback. You mentioned your friends there. Andy stewart's incredibly lucky to find him. You're at a small town in western pennsylvania and both our wives reteaching at the university. Here on so we were very lucky to find each other and yeah so he was a beta reader. I'm he gave me an awful lot of feedback and he was very very useful because again because he was he was much more grounded in sort of The culture of speculative fiction. I was And so i tend to be fairly pretentious. Let's call it avant garde experimental and it was very useful to write with him because he would he would help me ground myself. I'm just always reminding. Keep keep reminding myself that you're writing for an audience. You don't have to if you just want to write for yourself. That's fine but i was trying to write for an audience so and it was very good at trying to get me to think through sort of technical issues about well okay. So what's your idea. And how do you want to communicate. It's onto your readers efficiently so that they're not constantly having to try to catch up with you. I'm so he was tremendously important in that lanes of keeping me grounded and not soaring off into the experimental stratosphere or anything like that. Say when you're reading you beat any of the new wave stuff from the sixties and science fiction. Actually i didn't wasn't the back of my mind i was reading I was when i was reading strings. Labor i was reading Mostly modern literary texts postwar europe. Like right post war era. I'm not kind of influenced. And since then i've started going back to the to the new wave stuff. I was a little leery what i was doing it. I didn't wanna read anything that was would be too closely connected to in style. I'm so one of the things that would always happened. People would say oh you have to read. The road provide legal. You're writing something like this exactly. I was terrified of reading. Go near until i was finished. And now i feel i feel free that there's all these books that people told me. I should read that now. I can go back to. I mean you. Just don't wanna read a book and then someone's done it way better than you Already a hooped. While i was a kid and when the new wave was happening and i was reading science fiction and it did not click with me at the age of say ten or twelve at. I've never gone back to see what i think. Those stories now. The only one. I really remember. I don't remember the story. I just remember the weird typography. It was a story that was printed in a spiral on the page that you read from the outside and following the words around in a spiral to whatever happened in the middle. I don't remember the story that image at the spiralling on the page. That was always the danger for me was ending up in the spiral so once you had a draft. What did revision process like mike. You've gotten some feedback did you were you working on language. Or you've mentioned structure. What were some of the things you had to continue polishing in. I guess this ties end as well to the editorial process because you mentioned that some of that feedback came from radiant. So maybe before we talk about that. How did you find radio at press. A small press but said excellent soft but it is. it's very small. press a small press. Actually i heard about through a friend. stephen whitworth who who runs the prairie dog in regina. That's how i heard about them. Before sent to condemn. I'd sent it to a whole bunch of agents all over the united states and one of the agents fairly big name got back to me and he said we'll send me more curious and so it did and he was disappointed with the rest of the book and so i talked to him a little bit. Data wanted to find a why why he was disappointed in any felt like in the middle. It got sort of trait in typical of post-apocalyptic fiction so whereas in the beginning he found it very fresh and original. Engaging it's sort of just became. I blew it all up. I just destroyed the middle of the book And started writing a so. That was the first sort of major intervention. Was just getting rid of the middle of the book. Not quite entirely but i would say like twenty percent of the book i just i just delete it so i had this big hole in the middle that i have to fill up And so the middle part of the rewrite was all that was trying to restructure the middle of the book and ways that were satisfying and not stereotypical or cliche. And then once. I have that done. I sent it to radiant presque stevenson all. You should try these people And and deborah prescott back to me and she was interested and then we started working and that was sort of the next stage of development was. She's a very good reader. Are mentioned some other good readers have a look at it and a lot of their critique was what i'd mentioned earlier was that the characters needed more back story because i was just being to existential didn't want i didn't want the region have any access to the world sort of before this happened except in the most superficial ways and read is reluctant. You know what you need to build your characters up a little more. You have to give the raiders at least something to hang onto And so a lot of the should the next stage of development was really really quite pleasant work of just trying to build up these characters. Little more through. Flashback stuff This little bits here and there just to try and give them give them depth so those who gave the major revision stages other than copy editing. Was this agent. Got back to me. He said the metal was disappointed. Disappointing i blew it up and restructured it that i got hold arabian press. And they were interested in conversations with deborah. She told me what her concerns were in particular characterization and I guess as far as they're concerned I saw them in that in that draft and then after that it was just a tweaking and fine tuning the radio. The choose some pretty good the burbs kim stanley robinson for example. That's a pretty big name to have attached to your your first novel as a favorable comment it is. It's actually still kind of confusing that you read the book and responded In that way. A lot of those blurbs got because i was writing that as running that science fiction zine big echo i interviewed a lot of these people and so capital And then i spent it's To get the blurbs So that wasn't my plan. The interviews are zine. But i realized oh. I've talked to all these people that are pretty clever known and and kind maybe they'll help me out and they did generally people in the field. Are that so pay. It forward idea. That line talked about something that i think a lot of people on the field or very very good about and then it went into come out. It was an october october. So as What was your reaction when you saw the finished book and then the response that you pet to positive goods. I'm it's exciting Book and it is a weird time for it to come out so we had been expecting to. Do you know like readings and that sort of thing that can't happen. I'm very easily. So i was stuck in the states as well which didn't make things easier But it was exciting. It would have been fun to do a little more of the typical kind of readings bookstores. And that sort of thing but it. It's just. I mean it's just aren't to have a book right like you do all this writing your whole life and you do all this reading and then all of a sudden your writings in an actual bucking an actual thing and a little. It's a little disconcerting to see it there on an exciting at that point. It's out of your control ended end going into the heads of readers who are getting all sorts of things out of it that you might not even have no you put in there absolutely. I'm so we got one really good review on and that was from publishers weekly's and that's a pretty good one and the reader was fantastic So this this anonymous reader gave it a great regained and they saw a number of things that i hadn't really been paying attention to so for instance in terms of these people digging. I'm versus people digging. There's a suggestion in the book that it has something to do with sort of Nearest to picardy right that there's something near logically different about the people that aren't digging than the people that are digging and so what that reader picked out was that there's a theme here but what it means to be neuro. Typical your typical. Or what have you like. What do these distinctions mean. In terms of what it means to be human that cetera. And i hadn't intended a particularly sensitive or thoughtful. Take a boat that in the book yet this reader picked it out and showed it showed this thing about my book that i never thought was particularly valuable as something that can be valuable to some readers so that was very exciting. Very inspiring actually to see something in your book. That's positive that you hansard of deliberately thought through or put their but the sensitive reader can pick it out and show it to you and say look what you did here. This is good. There's a there's a story that before. On the podcast came out of isaac asimov's opus one hundred which was the first of his autobiographical books. He talked about going to columbia university. I think it was a class where professor was teaching his famous story nightfall and he said at the back and listen to that afterwards. He went up to the professionally. Said said well that was very interesting. So that magic asimov. I wrote that story. And i did put anything stuff in there and the professor said well. I'm very happy to meet you but just because you wrote the story. What makes you think what's in it at interesting god and i think there is certainly we all put stuff in that. We don't know necessarily where it comes from. And then readers find things there that we didn't necessarily think we were putting in specifically and i think it's because i always like to say that writing is actually feels like a loner activity. Something do yourself but a truly collaborative it is. I think that we're instrumentally important than it's collaborative. All the way down so from the very beginning when i start writing project in it's yours and it's your own until you're your beta readers and then if you start publishing you're always having conversations with the publishers and with editors and readers get it there's a whole nother conversation and you really have very little control over the types of meanings that people are going to extract from a text and it could be a little scary when you start thinking about it about how little control you have of the language wants. It's left your once. it's left your grasp. Sometimes they can completely misconstrued what you had in mind but you don't have any either so that's the danger i wanted to go back to the zine which you'd mentioned it i'd mentioned big echo Where did that come from. And you'd mentioned that you had know number writers that you'd interviewed and i was looking at it online. And in some recognizable names had provided the short stories for it. So how did that come about. Boredom things It came from morton mortems. We moved down here. And i had some time on my hands and i had a friend Who does graphics and web pages and also love science fiction. And he was actually. He is in regina to and all of those people. That's right almost all So i said well. Why don't we put together a zine and he said okay and so then we did on and the issue. When you're putting together like that is you don't have money and you can't pay so it's really hard to get on the writers your necessarily interested in so the first year so was a lot of hustle of cold calling writers liked and asking if they'd been intra be interested in contributing something And one of the. I think in the first summer one of the first people i contacted was rudy rucker. Because he's got a cyber cyberpunk fan. I'm he's got. He ran a zine called blurb which was quite similar in and i contacted him and asked if he had anything lying around. we could use In big echo. And he was very excited about it and as you say about heinlein paying it forward. He's a very very generous kind of an artist on and so he gave us a story. That was the biggest name we'd had up to them And then he also mentioned in our conversation that the next time he had a book out if if we wanted we could interview them. And then that just got me thinking of interviews and because it was rocker i could contact. People knew who rudy rucker was and say. Hey really record did this with us. And now we're doing interviews and wondering if you'd be interested so bruce sterling and corey doctoral were both amongst their first interviews. And i'm pretty sure that's a lot of it. I mean both also very generous guys who have a lot of interviews awhile ago. Yeah he's never you never run out of things to say and he's always happy to speak to a lot of people and so both of those guys came on very early on and helped us out and made a big difference once you get a few of those big names in. It's a lot easier to attract other writers on kim stanley. Robinson was actually. He got in touch with him through andy on who mentioned a couple of times already. Andy knew him from california. I think the. I think you might have been taking a class with with stan. I'm not sure so again. It's a lot of it just has to do with like a little bit of hassle right in the beginning and then and then social networks kicking in In in good ways but the field is bigger than it was say. Back in the golden age of but It's still a fairly small group of people that know everybody so everybody knows each other. So i thought i saw on the website that you had the final issue big echo. So is it. Is it done now. We're wrapping up on. I'm just tired It's not a particularly outgoing or or extroverted person on so the the hustle. Part of it is a little difficult for me and not super comfortable as editor. I i don't like a tweaking people's voices or anything like that so it was hard work in that sense. It's also fairly niche. So we're looking for a very particular type of writing and there's only a subset of a subset of science fiction so there's not that much out there it's not. It's not particularly popular science fiction. We were interested in so it was just just kind of running out of gas. It would have been a lot a lot of work to keep to keep up the standard we set and tired so we wrapped it up. We're gonna put out an anthology shortly on probably in the next couple of months. Echoing theology for minimal cost just to try generate a bit of revenue. Just keep the website up just to keep costs so that will probably be the last thing we do with echo. But it's been it's been awfully fun has been a heck of a ride and again i a comeback to the game. What you mentioned about the generosity of people in the field It's really. it's really quite amazing that you can just cold. Call someone say. Hey and putting together zine would you be interested in depending on where they are in their career. They might help you out and generally do. But we're getting close to the end of the time. So i need to ask you the big philosophical questions which is ultimately three of them. Why do you. Why do you think any of us right. And why do we write stories of the fantastic in particular as opposed to limiting ourselves to stories of the here and now so those are the three questions. Why do you write any of us right. Why right science fiction status for me. It's i mean the to the to serve key aspects of inner. Our pleasure therapy. I mean it really ever since i was small. I've i've had a hyperactive assertive. Creative life. I love the play of imagination And it's a way to just keep doing it That you can. You can always be experimenting in playing with language and ideas on with writing It's just fun. it's just flat out fun. I know that's not true for everyone. I know for a lot of people. It's horrifying the idea of writing. But for a i was always an introverted kid. I was always hyper creative. It was just a way a way of of entertaining myself. And that whole thing about if you can't if you can't find a book You enjoy then you need to write your own. I think that's that's true. It's just yeah it's just you can write a book you'll love and it's fun to do And the therapy. I tend to write fairly fairly dark stories on the whole And it's just a way of working through sort of emotional on psychic stresses Assertive certainly when you're living through The last four years of the trump administration As a as an immigrant in the united states the pandemic and there's a lot of psychic stress. Any all the time and so writing about it in a fictionalized zing on the anxieties to feel his way of coping with her as well. I'm so for me that was always important. Why do people right. I think mostly for the same reasons. The the pleasure in the answer to the therapy of it goes hand in glove Think also the collaborative to thing you mentioned is also important. This idea of like you can do for the pleasure and the therapy. You can do that. nobody else has to read it. But there's this next step. Were start getting other people to read it as well. And there's a sort of this collaboration and conversation going on and that's that's very important. All sorts of ways dwell just the sheer fact of exchanging ideas exchange of ideas and views and perspectives. On the world is obviously important but just also again. And i'm the pleasure of having a conversation with someone about about an idea is wonderful on. It's one of the one of the best things about writing Is when you do write something and you get positive feedback from someone. You don't know like someone says oh. I really enjoyed this. This was good or this was fun. That's a tremendous charge It's a big rush I think once that starts happening to someone they probably right more and more and more because it's a really wonderful thing In in a very innocent sort of way to just do something fun and to share it and have people. You don't know saying you know what that was great that was fun and the the final part Why speculation why. Why different tastic. Why science fiction again. I think for me it was really freeing I've been reading a lot of social realism and super serious. It illogical type stuff about like boo capitalism on life sox angry loud music and then and then i started rereading spec fiqh and science fiction and there was just a freedom to it and more more honest sense of one of the reasons we right and we read is for fun on you can be super serious science fiction you know like but there's always an element of fun to it and freedom of someone taking an idea and running with it as far as they can And pushing it to its limits are. That's very exciting and invigorating. So i'm i'm on the least vanish person you'll ever meet But one of the things. I like a lot about science. Fiction and fantasy. Writing is the fan community on the enthusiasm. Just a flat-out enthusiasm for having a stock in good time when reading text To me that's one of the most attractive things about science fiction and fantasy is that is. The audience really wants to succeed because they want to have fun when they're reading the text as well. I think that's to me. What are you working on now. i'm running a historical fiction different kinds of genre a little bit draft into sort of speculative material About the for trade on the nineteenth century for trade in in the hudson's bay territories So it's from the perspective of phd. I wrote about the for trade missions in the fur trade at some other things as well. I'm going back to some of that archival material. I'm trying to turn it into a into a novel. Sounds very interesting. And where can people find you online. If anywhere online arm. I got twitter. Feed will ask bill screw. I think it's probably the safest way to find me is. There's a for the out. We have a webpage. Robert g. dot com and there'll be links on that page to the other social media sites. Okay well thanks so much for for being on the world shapers enjoyed. The conversation will be too. I did much. I'll tell the. I'll tell the radio press that i had talked to you. So they ratchet suggested. Because i didn't know about the the i knew that they were going to publish some speculative fiction because i talked about it and and then the yours came along and then. It's you know getting lots of attention. So i was very happy to be able to talk to you and also it's not very often. I talked to somebody that has any kind of connection to regina saskatchewan so that that was nice to john had nothing but good things to say about you who is very enthusiastic. Great right walk. Thanks so much by the so. Thanks again to robert g. pinner for being my guest. I enjoyed that chat tonight. I hope you enjoyed listening to it. coming up on the podcast We have Kelly rice gerald brandon. Walter john williams. Those are the ones that i have confirmed for the next three episodes. So check back to hear those. And if you'd like to listen to any of the previous seventy four episodes this is number. Seventy five You can find them all. At the world. Shapers website that satu- the world shapers dot com Complete a complete list of episodes that you can download listen to their. You can also find transcripts of most of them. There's a few that don't have full transcripts but most of them do You can find the world shapers. Also on twitter at the world. Shapers find it on facebook app. The world shapers. You can find me on twitter at t e willett tease on willett. You can find me on facebook. Edward don willett and you can find me on instagram. At edward willett author educator. Find me at my own website. Which is edward willett dot com also checkout shadow. Pop press dot com. Which is where you can find Shapers of world's among many other places that you can't buy it directly from there if you wish and you can also find me at edward willett shop dot com where you can buy autographed copies of my books should you to and i. I kind of hope you do. I should mention before it closed that the the world shapers podcast is part of the scotsman podcast network and other than that. I think i've covered everything so again. Thanks for listening to the world. Shapers podcast this time and come back many more times in the future as i to talk to other science fiction and fantasy authors about their creative process and how they shape and create the world's at that we have enjoyed so many adventures in over the years. That's it for this episode of the world shapers.

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Episode 485 - Apple's FaceTime Flub - 1/25/19

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Episode 485 - Apple's FaceTime Flub - 1/25/19

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Sure. Just vocally offer two weeks. Now back. It's short Hari. Hello. We need some nicknames for you guys out there listeners. How can I better introduce Jeremy Shaw on poorly for us descriptors? Can can we put in, you know, the the purveyor of pinball, Jeremy Williams, that's good. I like that a little ration-. Yeah. The Sultan of science. Oh, that's nice. But I'm well. I suspect they're just going to call me, basically diet coke. Ninety percent diet. Coke aspertain shore. Hurry. Well. Welcome back. It's been. It's been not the same. Without you as true. Sure, we missed you. I really enjoy listening to back in. I always love hearing. Patrick's tales from CS. It makes me never want to go to see every time. But I do like hearing his perspective on all this stuff. And I couldn't be less interested in buying a role TV. Now, I know I was a little surprised to that was thing. He was most excited by was the role. Tv it's from a tech perspective. It's kind of future Ristic. But from a utilitarian perspective totally now, it's super interesting tech. But not not for me at this point. This is one of my favorite weeks of the year to lead up to the soup. That's right. That's right. When is that the sports ball and all sports ball Sunday is Sunday, February third the NHL all-star game was in San Jose. You must have all taken part in the festivities over. Especially while Oko. Yeah. No, I'm going to stop trying with the sports in these two. How have you been how will your pass weekends or anything fun watching movies out your family's tell me of the things that I can do? I don't know, man. What did you? What did you do? I waited for a baby to poop. That's it. That's it. That's it waiting waiting for go. I I'm trying to catch up on the Oscar picks of the Oscar movies, which honestly, I vent found a movie, I've really enjoyed I watched Roma which I liked, but I didn't love, and I think a lot of people are saying, that's that's sort of a leading contender. I really want to get out and see the favorite. My wife's I said that was sort of a favorite of the bunch and I watch Black Panther again. It's on Netflix. You know, Oscar numb, you know. There was an early screening for the LEGO movie. Yeah. It was this this past weekend. It was like what two or three weeks ahead of time. And it was nationwide. Like anybody could have gone I saw review pop up online as do you? Do that must have been special invite anybody can sign up for these. So I looked into it. I'm seeing how to train your dragon three three weeks early. Whoa. Yeah. This weekend is with the theater or special fandango, man. You just go to funding. It's like showing it every bay area theatre one for once at three pm is a free or Saturday. No, it's full price full price. But you get the time that's an interesting strategy by studios because I guess for those movies, not a lot of secrecy. They definitely want the word of mouth, and I wonder is like an evening screening. Or is it like afternoon only three PM, it's a kids movie, man. So that's that's other strategy thing where they know that it's going to be for only for people with kids because he needed to get the need the school yard. Yeah. Viral aspect, and he kids to be taken early tout the fact that they saw early on the playground and could other kids excited force their parents to take them we've been to actual screenings where they want. In your opinion afterwards, right? This is too close to release for that. They're not going to be they're not purely part of the market, and they don't care. What do you think of this movie? Oh, okay. Keep that to yourself. How many how many Twitter followers you have? Right. Then that may determine your seat placement. In the screening LEGO movie to the second part currently ninety percent on rotten tomatoes. I didn't even realize it was going to be out in like a week and a half. Yeah. February eighth. Okay. The review I read temporary expectations that it's good. But it's not the first movie good. That's slightly disappointing. I I'm a big fan of tempering expectations. Okay. Okay. Reasonable reasonable shore. How about you? You said just watching locker picks. And and how you're outta town some travel I was just had some local travel for for work that I was doing. I watched too many fire documentaries. And I regret all the choices. I made watching. Like the polar opposite of the consensus. This is you want more yet? And I think people are reveling in just the the idiocy of the entire thing. I it just made me feel bad watching for who all around like the although workers in Jamaica. Yes. Feel bad for her getting ripped off and. Like in a weird way felt like that this guy who's clearly like has some sort of problem with the truth, and is constantly lying has there's something going on there that made me feel weird. I just didn't like revel in in the pure joy of it as as so many as the consensus Bahamas Bahamas. Sorry shows how much tension you're paying a we did talk about the fire festival documentaries. And the fact that who had surprised drop one ahead of Netflix release and the store got even deeper than that. Because the documentary. I've only seen the Netflix one. I really wanna see Hulu on. Fortunately, don't have who subscription, but they turned out to be substantively different because of the access they got and also some of the controversy that was revealed behind the scenes kinda shade. That was thrown the subtext between the two documentaries. The the Netflix documentary was produced by one of the companies involved with. Promoting the firefighter was paid to promote or maybe paid to promote the fire festival. So that was not necessarily this closed up front, and that's the who documentary made made public at the end of their document and the Hulu documentary was controversial in its own. Right because it paid the guy. To be interviewed. Yeah. The Billy guy. He gave a non interview interview that eight that the one thing that. The Hulu one is not as artfully put together like the narrative. Arc isn't fair. It's interesting to watch them back and forth because they tell very different stories an MIT different details, which is just bizarre. Can I recommend one thing? I did watch which I was really surprised about what's that? So I subscribe to DC universe because I really wanted to watch the young Justice animated series, which I'm a huge fan of. And I think I've probably said that before. Yeah. I was like, okay. Well, I'm gonna see what else is on here. And I watched that live action titans show. The Batman like trailer that we saw it was surprisingly good. Like, I show that I thought was essentially going to be. What's that Archie show? Riverdale that I thought it was going to be Riverdale light except with teen titans. It's actually quite dramatic. And it's super violet in this way. That I found you know, quite watchable. All right. Thanks for the recommendation short. That was a weird recommendation. Wasn't it? Well, now that we caught up with both of you sounds super eventful past weeks dad's, dad life dead life. What do you want me to talk about my experience booking fast passes on the Disney World website because that's not also citing? A little preview for your Super Bowl wing party that you host every year. What are your fancy recipes? You're doing this year. We're trying to tone it down on certain things where we're updating our our fri- game beyond wings. So there's going to be onion blossoms with a nice horseradish Remillod and do they make an edible onion slicer for that purpose? I mean, there's a rig there is. Yeah. Okay. But you still use a knife. I'm most excited about a red Sichuan pepper corn a wing sauce. I made that has a numbing sauce of numbing effect in terms of teeth that some Szechuan peppers nice. You should do like an interview show where you interview people and increase the spice of the pepper. Oh my God. We should put that on YouTube that would probably do super, well, you might get a few thousand views. Yeah. Especially if you get some like famous people to come on board, maybe even celebrity chefs, I love it. Ready to talk about some news. Let's do our top story. Top story this week. All right. Well, let's talk about apple. Oh. Big week for apple had their big disappointment. I guess in in their in their earnings report with the Justice expectations as sold. A fifteen percent fewer iphones this year, then the quarter previously. But every other product was the sales were up. So peak apple is what lobby were saying. With me talk a little more of what that means force. There's a lot of considerations and globally economically. But one day before the earnings report you had the FaceTime bug. Right. So for the three people that haven't heard the bug was that you could FaceTime, call somebody. And while it was ringing pull up your contacts in at yourself to the call. And then it would allow you to listen in on the first person's phone before they answered so that is that specificity is I think what lot of people did not realize because I don't think a lot of tried. The bug. It was patch relatively quickly on the back end. I think by the time all of us heard about it apple had disabled FaceTime FaceTime on the back end was what allowed this to happen. I think the assumption the loud people had was the bug was when you open up the FaceTime app. You get a preview of your face when you dial FaceTime to someone before answering the call my parents actually got freaked out about this months ago when someone will do all your face on them. They see the front facing camera activate, and that's -posedly is from a user experience is a preview before you accept the call get your hair. Exactly. Yeah. And so I think the assumption the lot people had yesterday or two days ago was that. This was the bug was at that preview was started broadcast live, which wasn't the case this required. An extra step of adding yourself to a group FaceTime chat. And it wasn't even video that was being broadcast. What was your video at any point was just I think it's just audio because all I was listening. So. Still clearly a massive problem for apple Kim. This got through there. Still right now is not a user and fixed to it as a recording this on Wednesday. You made it software software. Patch update. Yeah. And the only managed to to kind of close off on the from the back end. But Ebeling one of their flash features of the Las Iowa update. It didn't look good was not a good look for one and a global bug too. I wanna know how long did this exist before it was noticed by the media? Like has this been around since the FaceTime since the group FaceTime update that allowed for thirty two people. That's months, right. Yeah. Yeah. And there have been lawsuits, I think one lawyer has sued apple because the this may have let someone eavesdrop on a deposition that is Idi audit. Did you read that deal? Not. I don't think anyone actually eavesdropped on a deposition. I think that he's the way that he phrased his complaint was that. Apple the software bug allowed for somebody to eavesdrop on the deficit. Oh boy. So it's it's a non did nap. It do you think there's actually logs to within apple to tell if any of this this exploited. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, because it's a pretty it's a pretty easy thing to determine right? If somebody added themselves through the call to call wasn't picked up at it rang for a long time. I think at least from my perspective like watching how what you had to do to exploit this bug. I don't expect many cases unless you knew about this bug that it would accidents happen. No, no. This was like a very like rare case. But if you want you knew about the exploit it was easy to do. Yeah. Would have been fun to try. Come on. Apple let us have some. Well, aspiring our friends. No one has posted compromising like an example of doing Ackley. Right. None. None. I've seen so far. So was spread. This is the kind of thing that. I'll be surprised if it did exist for a long time. And then it was just suddenly spread Vialli with one tweet. And then if that was the thing that brought attention to the software team I and it's not like the person being eased dropped on like their phone was ringing. Like, it's not like you could have this indefinite like eavesdrop microphone just laid somebody's living room for an hour. It was was on the other screen was showing your being dial xactly like the phone like you're getting a FaceTime call. And then eventually I believe that it hangs up. Right. If you don't answer it, then the east rob would have ended when what is like, thirty seconds. Yes. So, yeah, it's still bad still bad still very bad silvery bad, and it didn't seem to affect though apple stock price because even though they had not sold as many iphones as they had previously guided a quarter ago, they did adjust guidance and they had beat out there revise expectations. But it's worth mentioning. That even though I phone is still the bulk of their business cat so much. There is so much of business. And that's what the big fear is for companies. How did they move past that and their answer seems to be to move to be to make money from services right from Saul new subscriptions for things like music, obviously, we know they're going to be doing some type of TV play is coming year getting in on that five ten dollars a month or or more that net flicks has made a ton of money from and also I cloud, did you know that they they don't have any kind of web player for music, it's only through itunes and apple devices. Right, but their API's allow it, and so there's actually third party websites that can tap into that base. Yeah. Basically, one of them is play music dot com, and you can log into it with your apple credentials, and you have your entire account there. And that's a third party that apple hasn't shut down. Even they used the word apple in the euro. I don't know. What that means? But it seems like they're being relaxed about P they want people using this is interesting and also shopping a little bit too news, apple music Abbas partner with American Airlines. So if you're an American Airlines flight and your music subscriber, you can shrug that with no wifi purchase required. For a limited time. I think it's indefinitely. It's just through the complimentary in flight wifi. You'll get access to apple music. So definitely wanna make it more compelling compelling streaming service than than the Spotify. Which still has I think a big foot hold in the music streaming business side of things should we should we save the other apple stuff? Forget new. Let's let's move on. All right. Shoe? So we talked about the Oscar nominations last week. But let's let's look forward to twenty nineteen movies. Yeah. Movies coming out this year and top of some people's maybe your 'less, Jerry. We got Toy Story. Four already some new characters being introduced through these small vignettes been released on social media key NPR playing some new characters you don't just for the ad meeting. That might be in it. I think they're totally. I think the ads are promoting their referencing the movie like do they even exist in Toy Story? I think I think that fourth wall breaking is just like this character could be the characterizations not be exactly as they will be in the movie, but the characters himselves, I think are confirmed as being in the film, just like Toy Story three introduce a bunch of new characters. Some of which TOTO was in there. And who did a? Was that the rotary phone that was in Toy Story three? That's right. Yeah. He saw some hard times. Oh, yeah. Tony HALE is supposed to be new character. We've seen in the first teaser trailer. That's the cobbled together. Choi what does it mean to be toy? Toy doesn't believe he's a toy kind of flips. I this is the exit central crisis more of a stem engineering education. Learning tool. Right. Then then a real toy this hearkens back, of course to Toy Story. One of what it means to be a toy with buzz except going from the other direction and revealed this week, we'll return of I dunno blood character. Maybe at leave are a character that was in the first two films that was not in the third one. Bo Bo peep, though, pipe and the way Bo peepers introduce kinda bad ass. Yeah. She looks like she's what what is that tool? I look the shepherding sheep, right, ten ten cents sheep. And that is a shepherding staff that the, but she's holding it like a buck about. Yeah. Right. Using leaning into the name and her pose as people on the line appointed out kinda reminiscent of raise pose. Okay. Yeah. I can see in the force awakens like Ray staff that she would use. She's got to fight off a lot of wolves. I would think so she's she's always had the ability. Yes. Yeah. What do you think? I'm I wanna see where this goes. 'cause I don't think Woody has had any kind of other crushes our relationships. So this'll be nice to get some closure on this or at least continuation. Right. Right. Assuming that they do continue that storyline. Yes. Yes. We don't know how involved this character b- how big of a part of the story. This will be I think we're all kind of brazen. Selves because everyone agrees at least a lot of people toy sorted one two three fit really well as a close book on that trilogy. And so the the story is a is a gamble some of one and two were great just as is the one to Arkwright as it's called a shepherd's crook. Oh by Hooker by crook. There you go interesting. It was designed to both hook the legs of sheep and crook and beat predators. There you go. I can't wait to see this. This is good analysis. You're all waiting for tell us more about the implements. The toys are carrying around now popping up also on social media this week. We saw from Jeff bridges something that I don't think anyone new they wanted and they're not gonna get unfortunately, it was wait a minute. Now. Everybody knew they wanted really a big lebowski sequel. I really knew that has been talked about for ages. No. Yeah. They were going to do a whole spinoff just on Jesus. And then there was talk of a sequel, and then like who knows that was my decades ago though, like if there is any gets the first one came out twenty years twenty years ago, right? I don't think anyone's had big lebowski on their mind as a as a franchise for a long time. I think I may be African phenomenon. I mean Fargo as as a Coen brothers home. Yeah. Now is a TV show. But is a direct. Continuation captures the tone of. Of that show in some elements of the series in terms of the hasty aspects of it are brought in the show tastic show. That's something. I could see the world of the big lebowski those characters sending it around the bowling alley, which you kind of get that kind of weirdness from movies like. At that time to Oriel, but I don't think people clamoring for the dude to return, we might run in different circles. So you excited. Yeah. Rolling alleys and with Russian mobsters. White russia. You know, like, I I was I was in line to buy the pinball machine. They made a big lebowski pinball machine a couple years ago, this company that actually went on the business. Unfortunately, you know, I'm gonna blow your mind here. I have gone bowling with the real dude that with Jeff bridges. No. What are you talking about the dude that guy is based on? Yes. Did you did you know, it was based on a guy now guys named Jeff Dowd? And he was a character local local color in Berkeley and cobras met him and he was inspiration for the dude. While in the whole store of the big lebowski. Well, and we did a screening college over ten years ago now of the Bill of Ascii, and he showed up and outward, I drove him, and we got white Russians and bolt. Why did you drive him because I was part of the group that put on the screening and he was invited and he was invited. Wow. And I had a car. And so I drove him to go bowling is. He'll like the dude though, not really not at. Not as much as you know, as much as the I think people would project an ho that's hard. Yeah. Yeah. But he was good sport about it. And what Russians did not really is thing movie. So so they'll have fun. He'll drink it. Yeah. Bowling ensure that was really his thing either. But he was a good sport. So the big lebowski teaser. Why are we talking about it was it was a video from Jeff bridges? He was in character had a date. Everyone's like, wow, it could be new series, and then you to gather and he realize it's Sunday Super Bowl. And now it's been revealed. It's just for a Super Bowl ad spot. I'm not even going to promote the company it's an ad for. But I hate this. I hate that every year get faked out by these these previews these these these announcements these teasers four commercials and more oftentimes, not the commercials don't deliver. Yeah. This is. Well, this is especially dangerous because you're dealing with people's heartstrings. Like, if people if people really wanna see a sequel to this, and you're gonna tease. Something that leads people to think it can happen, right? The commercial might be fine. If they had just left it alone. And just aired the commercial it probably would have made the list and probably still will have great commercials in the Super Bowl. But if it's now not a movie now people are disappointed said, it's all about manage expectations. If it's an ad for vodka or like, some sort of coffee liqueur, right? That would make sense onto. No, he would make sense. But would you be mad dude sold out maybe who got money from this? Do you think the Cohen's gone a little cash? No. You don't have to have on the character studio. Probably. I'm in last year. Remember, the the big thing was the son of dundy commercial. Danny McBride crocodile Dundee Dundee. There was a whole commercial a movie trailer and end up just being a fake trailer for promotion for the Australian travel board. Does anybody wanna new crocodile Dundee movie, though, people Australia? Probably clearly this was an important cultural moment as neither of us remembered it. Yeah. I'm looking forward the trail the commercials anyway. And I'm sure we'll be talking about that next week. Hey, also coming out this year or next year. I think it's this year at the man DeLorean is coming out. It's in production right now. John five row. You mean, isn't it the new Disney service? It's with the new this is not that's this year. When does that come out? I don't know they haven't announced announcing by think it's going to be this year. Got men Laurean and Jon Favreau, who is showed things like a pictures props from the set, obviously the costume for the end the Laurean played by Pedro, PASCAL. Also recently, posted a picture of a familiar droid. Oh, yeah. And this droid does. Now the question is is does a connected actually to the original trilogy. It is our five four the joy, the save the galaxy sacrificed itself, what are you talking about this? This isn't cannon. This is. Four was the droid that blew up malfunctioned. Oh shit loop. Luke, Luke bought him the with the bad motivator had bad. He was unmotivated. The head cannon the head cannon is that he knew that he was not supposed to be acquired by Luke that was our to that need to be set up. And so he self sacrifice next Lurie self. Oh my God deactivated. So that Luke could get paired with our that's the kind of bullshit that has ruined star. Dominate the fan fiction. Yes. It's all tied together. Now, it doesn't well the character. This real hero. Was it was those water evaporaters that malfunction? Got Luc out there in the first place. Yeah. It was really those womp rats guy. You know? Bulls. I'd buy that t sixteen like exactly thank you. Sure. Now, there is no confirmation. This is the same droid. It could just be the same model and look the same. But who knows it's a striking? I love the sign of this. It's so much a garbage can. What will would know the answer was this thing an actual toy in the late seventies early eighties. Could you buy it was it named are five four before? Now. Oh, it was totally named are five Defoe before today after I have five four collectible from like in her head that toy back regional type. Did it was our five four. Okay. Yeah. Just curious. So the question is whether this is actually five four or just another Astra back in the same color scheme. Yeah. That's the big question. Real big questions. We need answers totally totally need answers. I mean, this is the thing I've got to watch you guys either watching Star Trek discovery. Well, the first ones on YouTube anybody can watch that's interesting on the in the US put up the whole first. Now does that indicate that did not bolster subscriptions as much as they needed it to or expected it to for CBS all access so that aid for its did premier. Yeah. I wonder full from. I have not watched it even. For free. Wow. So there you go. I think it's worth watching. Yeah. Does it do a recap of the first season? Yes. Getting it doesn't recap. Right. Great. Although you don't really need to know. At least on the first episode because it starts off with where the last season ended off which was an encounter with the enterprise of you're interested in the enterprise at all that cast now though that crew it's good you should of you should shoot. In only the first episode. The second upsets out is subscribe to see all access, and I think like Zach is I'm subscribed for the duration of this anything else. No the short treks what they did they'd release these short films or the these vignettes fifteen to eighteen minutes. Short stories set in the subjects cover using the same sets. Maybe spotlighting some of the secondary characters and they had put those out between the first two seasons as a way to maybe keep people interested in subscribe to the service algebra just bench those in one drop, and they're on Netflix international. Anyway. So I don't think you need to keep your subscription. Just be disappointed about cancelling subscribing something that you don't get we subscribe to Netflix because that's just built into your utility fee. Now a lot of people's minds, and Netflix, you know, the the bait is the question is how how worth it as it for movies, right? Because obviously affects pays for a lot of TV shows. A lot of great archival stuff that did a big money drop for friends for the office. And if someone's life was saved recently from there watching on the office on this day in alive, the aren't alive CPR scene. Yeah. Do you know that? Oh, really? Yeah. Someone yet because give CPR someone at all. They could think about in their mind was Michael Scott singing staying alive, and it's one of the best scenes L his Beijing that that whole opening and with white with the us terrifying. It's good. And so Netflix house movies fewer movies. I mean once Disney pulls its library away later this year Africa, marvel you are talking about third party movies days. Yeah. Right. That you would have seen in the theater. Exactly, exactly. There is a researcher study that just came out from from was a streaming observer that compared prime video with Netflix, and it turns out prime video has almost four times as many movies as Netflix. Well. But if you go by a library size only, the private of seventeen thousand movies net. Flicks has almost four thousand and HBO has fewer than a thousand. But he's looked for quality net. Flicks has by far more movies are certified fresh on rotten tomatoes by far the most six hundred films on Netflix survive fresh have used that as a metric for whether you should watch film quality versus quantity that metric while. Useful to me. Yes. Is less important because I feel like what matters. Most is. Newbies. I haven't seen their certified, fresh and Netflix. I feel like while they may have a lot of films are certified fresh good films. The lawns. I I'm not gonna watch. Again. I've seen too many time 'cause they're Star Wars. I'm their big filler big film. You would have seen. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you're you're you're dark nights and Infinity Infinity wars exactly honestly, I don't really scroll down to find stuff. That's just hidden in the library much anymore. Like, I get captivated by the new release or what's trending that kind of stuff. And most of that is shows now or net flakes produced original content. So I don't find myself watching many movies that came out through some other medium Netflix. Maybe I'm Kevin outlier weirdo. But that seems like what Netflix is trying. To push you to do. I mean, if you compare it to a service that no longer exists likes film struck and upcoming criterion collection like they may have fewer films overall. But those are all classic films. Many of which if you they had a scores were probably be very highly rated and a far larger number of those films are films. I have not seen which is why service that is probably more valuable than me than a service like Netflix, just based on these pure metrics. But as interesting that Amazon has many many more movies, I didn't realize almost five four to five times as many movies as any of the other streaming services. Netflix changes out there catalog every month. And there's website said tell you this your last week to watch such and such and here comes the next batch. Here's what they are. I curious if Amazon swaps the same percentage of their catalog that would be an interesting study. I don't know how you do that. And I would care but not only the swap, right? But how? Compared annually like our films the windows for films even shorter now than before. Yeah. And whether that affects of your ship, would you watch more stuff if there is a leaving soon tag on it on Netflix episodes? Good idea. Yeah. Told I'm sure they've tested this. And they're like this makes people probably feel like the surfaces undervalued. Yeah. Which is how do you even measure that wouldn't mean undervalued like like the perception that when things are a federal that the libraries in fast as it should be right? Like if you see all these tags on on if you're opening up your flex menu and half the movies have tag leaving soon. The oh Netflix garbage. They came and keep my library films enough time to watch us. Why do I need the subscription service anyway? But how even how would you even survey that right, you'd have to prompt them with that idea, the make you less interested in subscribing? You realize why did you subscribe, these are tough marketing questions to bits of zombie news in pop culture this week? I zombie land put out the first poster the accepted, the tenure challenge and did a poster that in the same vein as the first posts are honestly, looking at the poster it's called double tap Milan. To double tap that you could have told me this was the poster for the first one. I would have said, oh, yeah. Okay. That's one because it looks. Exactly. It's none none. The actress. Look like, they have changed at all. What harrelson? Emma, stone, the kid the played Mark Zuckerberg in in social that work and Abigail breslin. But is this a movie excited for? I watched the first one because it was a cultural touchstone, and I was just like, okay. I I had the same reaction. I think zombie LAN came out at the peak zombie. Yeah. And where zombies were just everywhere. And I felt like it was too too kitschy, you know, what hooking during but hooked me was the big cameo at the oh the Bill Murray. Yeah. I thought that was so pandering that's why I wanted to see it. 'cause I heard about that too. Yeah. Well, there's another zombie movie coming out and for some fans of the director may be big deal. Netflix exclusive Zack Snyder's next film will be a film exclusively for that flex as ambi- heist film now for many people explain what what does that mean? Are we stealing zombies are doing the stealing? Zack Snyder, of course, famously one of his big starts before even did watchman for three hundred, but he did the remake for Donald debt. And which I think is so fantastic film. That's stuck in the mall. He is fantastic film. Of course, he hasn't done film sense. He left Justice league with you know, a lot of issues surrounding that. And he's been attached to produce the zombie heist film for a lot of time. But now he's taking the reins of it it slows to be ultra violent ultra controversial event and the high aspect apparently in the post apocalypse when the world is dealing with zombies. It's about a group of mercenaries who are attempting to rob a casino in zombie quarantine zone that one casino. Norm. Three. Is that really the cage? Joking right. Yeah. That's an ocean. Robin casino zombie quarantine zone. What are you guys got against Terry Benedict? I don't know. I don't know about this. Like, I guess if if it's about bad people mercenaries willingly putting themselves in a situation where they want to be in a world where does ambi- in zombie quarantine zone. How who you empathize with and all the value of money in a world overtaken by zombies? Well, I think the premise is the world kind of maybe. Quarantine them. They've they've they've maybe touch doing the world because they're entering designer corn teen zone. Don't worry about it. Tell you. It's a movie, oh, I'm asking to money is the macguffin. None of that. It's just there to move the plot along to put you in zombie Vegas where you have to get in and get out. I hope there some non Saami things they have to overcome like laser walls. Netflix dropping the big bucks supposed to be a real big budget film on the last one. They put out the last big budget film. They put out, of course, bird box at very very well. So they're hoping to ride the wave. I gotta watch that. I know I Roma Enver box being on that flakes have hurt. My. They've i've. I've passed I've missed the boat on the social media clamoring about it. Yeah. And so now in the library. They're not gonna go away anytime soon. It's almost like I put myself in the right mood to watch Roma's worth watching. It is it's not my favorite film of the year. Burbach is like, okay. Like, it's good for what it is. But don't take it. Seriously. You're saying, it's it's no quiet place. Vice which I watch reason does the Netflix original stuff. Stay forever. Yeah. Does paid for. Yeah. I think in some instances where they've paid for the licensing or it's like a UK production, and they drag for the US up. I don't know if that's like contractually there's a time for that one. But the ones they've actually produce. There's no reason that stuff would go away. Some oral news. Doctor strange has now signed on of the one of the same writers that worked on the regional the first one. So this is I think one of the the lease. Respected characters in the in terms of the film. I love the film in my household. Yeah. I love those film. I think I feel like the people don't talk about enough. My son saw this film so many times because we were on a Disney cruise this Christmas, then you were forced to you. Strap you in there were other things to do. But they showed this many times along with rogue one. And he would go the theater every time. I I don't think it's the respected deserves thought. Yeah. No. I I love it, the special effects are absolutely incredible mind-bending. I mean space time bending do. You think this hurt endgame when we get all of this information about sequels coming out of characters that were dusted. Yes men. Yes. I don't want this kind of spoiler. We talked about. I mean, we all we all know, this is going to happen. They're going to revert things. But I feel like it undercuts the movie to like there's no point in releasing this information out you could wait a couple months. Stop the machine the Hollywood machine from working deals are being signed things are going to release that Spiderman trailer and really need to come out. Right. I mean, at least this isn't a trailer. This is just the media reporting on some news. I don't think anyone watching the end of infinitive war believe that any of the ones who are dusted for gone forever. Like, the only real death there two deaths. I think are going to stick around and one I think the always Donna damore death because that wasn't a dusting death. Right. Right. That's one that. If we saw a guard is a galaxy Cass announcement. And then she was part of galaxy three I'll be bummed out to know. Right. What about Jarvis turned a humanoid that guy? Oh putney. Vision vision, they announced vision show. No, but low keys the other one I'm kind of bummed out. Right because they did announce LOKI Tom hilson would be a part of oh. Disney plus treatments. He's not dead then and that wasn't a dusting that was a straight up dealing as efficient. I'm not I'm not pissed off at like the dusting characters dust characters being showing up in in advertising, or is movie news, but characters I thought were done done where you're supposed to have a real emotional impact that arbitrary death. It's not that people feel like the ending of Vinnie. War is cemented. Yeah. Exactly is permanent. But people wanna know people wanna find out from the from the sequel exactly how it resolves. They don't wanna find out from a trailer or from flickering myth dot com. We're also the ones we're asking this. We're putting on selves by reading the news, or do you take it to next level and release a doctor strange trailer that goes that starts with that was crazy? Just. Even talking about this being in production yet. Right. Marvel's been known to psych people out. You know, what if it was like this all this movie news, all psych outs? Ooh. And after the game. It's like no there are these shows announced they're not really happening. We are disbanding the morals intimate universe. It's all new characters new marvel. This is good. This is good theory heroes. Reborn. The heroic age they're playing the game. Yeah. Yeah. They've been known a psych you out. What trailer is before what's entire scenes tires CG elements in scenes that were not in the final film one piece of moral not really news. But interesting. Just behind the scenes information. I think it's worth reading nine at a really wonderful interview with the editor of Black Panther, and captain marble, Debbie, Debbie Berman who talks about her process how she was hired how she works with directors to cut the film's together and provided specific examples insight for movies for for Black Panther, specifically about how she put that film together with the other editors, and why editing is just an important part of that creative process. One example for what she's talks about is. She never reads like she's not onset office. She's brought in editor after film has been done to centrally like the filming part of the film. And so she's watching all the dailies, and she's watching not only the scenes that were shot. But also the minutes leading up to the scene in the minutes afterward to get a sense of the actors feelings and how. They're working relationships with the directors and the tone, and the the feelings onset and from that put together a film without any other input. Without having talked to the doctor about how scenes or supposed to constructed put the other what she thinks is a good film. Then go back to the directors and workout. Jeez. That's a lot of work is a ton of work editors are huge underappreciated and things. Like, it's tough to things that we take for granted is being awesome moments in films. We think we're all this must have been storyboards sweater must been part of the script. Absolutely. They control the rhythm. They control all the beats. But things were not exactly the case. Like, she talks about how the scene where two Challah goes to do the first ritual fight. And there was a whole extended speech in monologue setting up that fight that she just cut out because she felt like it was better to enter that scene from his perspective and not how the speech so that the audience can witness that landscape from his fresh Ed is that's really brilliant to give the editor so much control that they. They can use their fresh perspective to ignore. What costs so much money, and the big picture director had mind, not have any investment in in in in not only the budget or or the scenes are shot or the takes a shot. But that's tell the story because editor your good storyteller seem what the ending the film, the the mid credit singer. It's been known was supposed to be the ending of the film, the speech Challah gives at the United Nations was the original ending. And after getting it's either she's like, this isn't feel right? And then went to and Kugler director and said, we need a different ending, and he wrote the ending that's an Oakland, which is better which much better much, and that's after the UN ending had been screen tested for audiences. Well, it had gotten great review. No way. So then still say well from I still don't feel this is the right ending for your film that is a really awesome achievement. Also smart to make it amid credits stinger. That's this race Moore. Totally totally. So that's interview is on nine and you can school. I oh nine black. Panther editor Debbie Berman and doll pop up in Google once as a video game news. That's right to wrap up pop culture upheaval in intendo world metro four mature prime four which people had been long into spaded to come out on switch. I think this year was supposed to come out. This was in development for a long time. A slate has been has been dusted. Isn't that interesting? So Nintendo's come out, and they have said they are not happy with it. They are so unhappy with it that they don't think it can be salvaged and they're going to start over with an entirely different development team. The ridge inal metro prime team here in the US or you big fan of prime. I liked it. I this was the first DS right for primary. It was like the demo came out with DS. Remember was it? Is it? It wasn't GameCube. Anyway. Yeah. I I'm not a huge metro guy. Unfortunately, because I actually I liked the aesthetic. And I think I'd probably be into it. If I sync up with it better in my life. You're right. It was GameCube. But there was a version. Right, right. I remember that. Yeah. But it was a. I'm glad this is the kind of thing you don't see from too many game studios. Most games. Did you see the investment they make it? They get it functional. They get some kind of level where it can be playable, and then the release it, and they try to patch it, but this is a complete complete do over. I mean, how you can't make how long is it gonna take for them to make their money back on this? This is so much about their pride and doing the right game. Now, do you think that would have done this? Switch has been the success that it is. Oh, yeah. They were confident in because the wall. Receive so well smash Bros has been selling. So well, they feel like they can they can take the risk of doing this. They weren't desperate to get another hit out this year. You're saying that the potential returns because the market is. So big yes is actually great enough to counter the added costs. I mean, I think no doubt that factored into it. But the question is switch was not as hit. And so over Seeven beloved as currently is will intendo have made the season on that our principal and just not worried about the the point is eat the majors like the the other majors the ones who are making TV consoles have an installed base comparable. And they probably would have just released it, but Nintendo a so much pride in their first party titles that they're willing to take a step like this. And if you watch the video of the executive, you know, making this announcement, it's moving he's so humble, and you can tell his face that he's he's not happy with this news. And that he's delivering directly to the consumers over from Twitter with video. And it's it's a it's a moving little piece of video that you just don't see from companies. I liked it. Good move. Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe couple years before we invest in the series. So I'm from as a spectator interested in what they're doing and transparency, I think has worked well for them. Because the the tend to fans metro fans have said this is a good move could move on their part. I think they also speaks to the maturity of game of gaming of the gaming industry and consumers nowadays, I think there was a time when they this would have been met with backlash, but people know now that it's better to wait and get a good game. One sec before we jump into technology news. I do want to thank the other sponsor that makes this episode possible. And that is triple pike because applying programming jobs sucks, you have to put the right keywords in your resume. And you spend hours and hours on phone screens and take home projects, and that's a Suming the company even response your application. Well, with your if you're a software engineer triple bite can help they work with over four hundred top tech companies from big names, like dropbox adobe exciting startups, you one brief on interview with them. And if you do well, you go straight to a final interview with companies on their platforms. 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They'll get the publicity. Well, it turns out they're gonna pay. Yeah. This is going to be good for you apple. And I was always on the photographer side. I always thought they should get paid a licensing fee. Now the question is whether the apple was going to pay them anyway. And it just wasn't part of the announcement because of legal reasons anyone who's run contest online legitimately knows that. There are a lot of funky international rules when it comes to contest. That can really like just hinder the the app of the the submission process. Although legal has little apple has the legal muscle to just make it work. And so they now put updated that the contest which then ensued that they are going to pay the winners. And the question is whether they're paying winners in the past, right? Whether the people that reached out to in the past and use photos for Shana, iphone campaigns were paid license fees at all, which I'm not sure one thing that someone did online is that maybe even more important than getting paid. The getting paid is important is how apple credits the photographers they typically credit them with the first Damon last Nishel, why not just use the full name. Like, why Silas sickly would you just say taken by photo by Jeremy w like, that's is it a privacy thing. I don't know if you're talk for you want, your workout there, and you're getting paid for and you're. Oh, you're signing away the rights to it. Like, why wouldn't you want the full name credit? I think it's it's a silly credits thing apple should credit talk for his with their full names. What about their middle name, whatever? Whatever name they wanna go by as of talk so their social security number. Then that is that's how I signed all my photographs other rumors. I guess we call this from apple is that apple maybe setting up as part of their new services. Scripts a subscription will in building up their services part of their business a subscription service for games games on the phone. And apple TV is that the idea those kind of got to be I pad to. Yeah, I'm sorry. I o s devices. Yes, I guess this makes sense especially if it's part of the bigger bundle. Like, if I'm subscribing to the apple TV movie service, and I also get a bunch of free games. That's interesting. That's something. No one else is doing also the power of those devices is increasing pretty consistently. Yeah. I think you buy an ipad pro that's much more powerful than the switches. The problem is probably is powerful getting close to the power of an XBox. The problem is interface. You're gonna get great games without a native I party interface on apple doesn't bundle gamepad with their even though game has supported with apple TV's. Yeah. I have no doubt. That games are big compelling reason. Why people use user phones, right mobile games were the thing to do. One of the killer. Parts of the the killer app of the app store with the for Saif on. I think it makes sense because there are so many games right now that you that are worth paying or were playing and worth paying for that you play for maybe a week. Like, there's so many games. I pay five dollars for play for a week. And I never play. Yeah. And so for a subscription service if the price is right? I'd love for access to like their editor picks. Right. Let to to be able to to just. Play as much as I want and get access to a good size library of new IOS games. The question is is this just going to be a rebranded Freeman model where they're loaded with an purchases and their free because you're not subscriber. And that is from a business perspective where I think that they need to make the do. The math quenched math because freedom is the biggest hurdle to this being success. Right. I don't think that people are opposed to paying for content and subscriptions for content, but for the games world way more than in the media world in the media world people paying for Netflix subscription, even though people are more than happy to watch commercials. People are way more than happy to play a game the freemen version of a game and you micro transactions than pay a fee up front, and I know they have the info, right? Their versions of games where you can just pay the the flat rate and unlock everything. Yes. Napa knows whether people opting for that. Or if the freemen model, I'm gonna. To be mutual exclusive either they'll price still be a free model of large number Fremont than they may be crossed library, right? May maybe a freebie model. That's a not on the subscription service. And the the, you know, the full on this trip since I guess, what would make sense if there are if it is that kind of dichotomy between like the paid version and the and the free version if the paid version is simply add free. That's great. I mean, if you wanna give me the apple subscription version that it just removes the ads. That's okay. But that's not what a typical Freeman game is a Freeman game has the entire revenue based on microchip designed the game of like, you're buying hats are balls or skins or abilities. And I don't want that. I don't want to be paying ten dollars a month. Whatever it is a month for Napoli service for games that I can't get in just nice week long chunks. Right. Like the game Florence which came out last year. Love that game. That was it's a nice singular experience. Yeah. If that was the type of game that you're gonna get with apple gaming subscription service. Awesome. I would love to play new one of those games every month. I don't wanna do jetpack joy Reid as a part of this. Temple run. What if what if what what are the kids playing these days? I mean, what's Mario one tap fortnight? And that's that's the big. That's that's the elephant in the room. If does matter because like, Netflix says our biggest competitor is our biggest fierce fortnight, not HBO does out can apple mak- Denton list. If kids are playing four nine on their phones, which is free. Yeah. It's it's a it's just a value. Add to whatever the subscription services sounds like it's going to be multi tiered. I mean, not just games not just movies, but as collection of various things, I mean, that's my hope anyway. Yeah. I mean at some point the games have good enough in the systems be powerful enough that a subscription service fuels like it's a it's a it's more valuable gaming experience almost like more conflict gaming experience. I don't think we're quite there yet. I just wondered like is apple ever gonna take gaming seriously because like they they got rid of the game center app years ago. It's now exists is like a shadow of what it used to be. It's like a leaderboard now. Right. You can't load it up, and you can't manager, you know, everything used to be able to and they've never sold a game interface like games of always existed within the context of what is the touch screen for the phone. When are they going to it would they ever actually release something that is expressly for playing games? I don't think. So I mean, given how much of their revenue is games on the Anaya. Why not because the type of games are applying. They're perfectly content with playing games that way. And you can always do a wireless bluetooth game. Had the real problem is as we're seeing from CS apple TV spunk. Shelly like itunes movies being built in the TV's and the rumor from last year that apple might be doing low cost dangle like a Roku stick style apple TV because while they make money on hardware, and that has it's it's all about services and the care way. More about people buying insurance people doing apple music, and maybe people paying floor game. Subscriptions that's lowest common denominator experiences. It's not a five hundred dollar console. A foreign dollar console to play. You know, Spiderman on this apple triple service, and Microsoft and Sony have their own subscription services that are doing quite well for multiplayer compatibility for things that for PlayStation, plus. For for game drops here and there so apple of course, has the reach of mill billions of people. So maybe that doesn't matter to them. But I don't think they're moving. They're ever going to move into the three hundred dollar game console market low margin. Co I don't think you have to any more. You just have to you have to have an interface. You have to have a gaming internet game, Pat. Their hardware is already powerful enough yet. Yeah. What is the apple gamepad? Look like it just needs to come from. Apple it just needs to come from apple. It's going to be like the apple TV remote where you just lose. It. Oh, you flip it upside down. And it's the same thing it's reversible. I. Maybe it's part of their airplay. Ooh, that's interesting. Then your phones, then your phone becomes controller. No, I suppose your hands. I don't know what they would do you think like a like a six doff style controller or it's just you know, it uses seizure hands like a magically the motion. I don't think we're close enough for that to be good enough. Yeah. That that would be cool. Who's gonna be the first traditional game developer or game manufacturer to do a controller? That's hand presence as there as one of the primary control. Mechanisms PlayStation move is part of that. You can do PlayStation move on a flat screen game. And if you kinda like hand presence and also works in VR, imagine, what would be like if you have like Oculus touch style controller to play a game on your screen. It's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine without holding some kind of controller because even just pulling a trigger is a form of saying, the the Oculus touch style. But also get I hear a parody with two hands on your standard to stick gamepad. Yeah. I'd be you bought over the holidays. An Alexa product you said. I did. Yeah. The wall clock. I thought this was brilliant loved yet. No, everyone in my family loves it. We put it up on the wall. And everyone's like, oh, yeah. No. That makes total sense. I get it. Because we a lot of times in the kitchen, and we have our wall clock in the kitchen. So when you set a timer echoes at a time for ten minutes. Sorry one who uses the eco, keyword. You it illustrates that it lights up. Ten minutes worth abilities, along rain a ring a bell. Yes. Well, lights up ten minutes worth none of whole ring. And then they click. They took back they took back. And so it's quite handy to multiple timers. And we like it a lot when when the alarm actually goes off all the LED as they like light up very pleasing. Unfortunately, they have down taking the product off the market, and it's because of connective tissues. And I don't know if this is why. But it was clearly stated when it shipped that is incompatible with stereo pairs. And I also the sub woofer. So if you have your echo paired with. Other device, which we did with a sub woofer. It loses connection to the clock whenever you're playing music. And so that's when another LED starts to blink on it. And it doesn't get any updates. And that that's kind of bad news like that was kind of bombing us out. So we actually disabled the sub woofer until this is resolved. And I'm your the audio quality of your sounding your house. So that you could have a visual timer that you could use voice activation for this is like the Hillary of it is more important in my family than the sound quality. So I'm hoping that's what the issue is. They have not stated now here's a question for you do use the timer as a parent more for things like cooking as you. Imagine a lot of people would do kitchen timers for for cooking things and baking things or do you do it too? As a way to manage your children one hundred percent cooking. Oh, I'm surprised. Yeah. I would've thought. Would be like ten minutes left on Nintendo. Switch echo, set ten minutes. So that young Williams child can see how visually how many minutes left. They have their free game time. I think one time we did that for practice. But almost like the entire time. It's used for cooking. The only like we would do it that way if everybody did their activity in the kitchen, right? But no one does. So maybe maybe it's that's interesting. I hadn't thought about multiple walk locks like if you put them around the house, do they correspond to the closest echo or plus one timing. I'll think you do multiple timers. You can't do multiple timers. It it shows additional LED ticks, but I wonder if the timers associated with one echo, and so whatever timer that echo gets it. Does that on its wall clock? I think that's probably how it works. You can pair location wise like this to that. I well, I'm not sure I'm not. Ideally, that's how someone test that. Yeah. But anyway, I'm hoping they fix this problem because I love my sub woofer again. And until then you can't buy one of these. No, you can't off the market. Yeah. They'll be back soon. Yeah. A little bit of interesting AI news at the Salvador Dali museum, which is and Saint Petersburg, Florida. Yeah. My mom's home down. I have been there is a good museum. It's awesome was about getting a little more awesome. Yeah. Later this year, they are launching a new exhibit. But a feature where they will have a virtual representation of Mr Dalli himself in video form he died. He died in nineteen Eighty-nine. How is this possible? It's basically using deep fakes they're using AI and neural networks to to process existing video and then to map his face on an actor as body to welcome visitors Dali was already kind of an unsettling character. So this is why it works. I says the kind of experimentation that he would approve of. I think you're probably right. Like, there's not there's a lot of artists where you could easily be offended if they did this, right? This is one you wonder like what was the melting clocks persistence of memory, or whatever. I mean. That's he's a tricky guy. I think he'd be maybe he'd be into this. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's it's started by representation reps from his family people connected to his his estate. So I'm sure they have to sign off on this. But it's individual recreation. They had to get a new voice actor body actor, but this is kind of the first step of like old public figures being revived in reconstituted in media stole video. Pass their time telling we may see being a big part of the media landscape in the future. Tom Cruise will be making movies after his dead still be his body Il just be would be his face face. This is literally futurama heads in a jar and away. It is it's here, and it seems like a perfectly it will. I think we'll see mica perfectly normal thing. You know, five ten years from now as signaled she only gets better, so blameless people's get your face scanned. It is much better than fully CG. Right. Wouldn't you agree? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, but then nations like the. I guess it depends on the quality. You're going for. I don't think this is for museum exhibit this. If you're projecting this on screen, right? Putting it alongside other live actors perfectly lit seem like rogue one. I don't think they could have done this for Tarkhan in Roque one. I wonder like the animation the blending if you've seen any of these computer generated faces in the facial blending. Yeah. Doesn't work. I have not seen. I l to it. I think that you would have to have existed libraries of of a lot of high-resolution best quality possible, libraries, you get the actors into those light light boxes. Right. Those spheres where they photograph you and the capture video of you, you're essentially making light fields your light field capturing official animation then generating from database what your face looks like in saying things that you never said towns expensive it does on expensive. But like all technology, it can all scale, and there's a lot of money to be made. Gnome stop. No one bought it. No. We had used couple allegedly us couple of weeks ago. We reported on an article that said there were two buyers that were having a little bit of a bidding war and turns out they both decided not to buy games. I'm I'm not surprised. I don't see the future of the outlet. I walked into a game stop this week, and it was pretty bare bone they've moved towards merchandise. Allot makes sense, you know, the whole comic con kind of thing brought to the mall, but just given the sheer number of stores, they have collectibles are going to be hard to maintain operation of that size. And they maintain a ton of inventory. Yeah. I wonder how long until they're actually add business. I mean, I think they are great for selling old games conveniently, and you can go in there and get a store credit and by other games, which but with the whole movement towards digital downloads. You can't resell your games anymore and obviously that cuts out retailers like game. Stop to sell them in the first place. Last two stories and one will have to only tease little more reading on this. I the room vacuum. Sorry. The lawnmower the room lawnmower tap as happening. Finally back technology is being applied to your front. Lawns is called the robot. Terra terra's is what it's called. I avoid Arab Ono's just. Yeah. The I robot terra meaning earth. It's good. It looks like I'm very curious about the tech around its edge detection with us because like, you know, with early versions of the robot inside the you had set up a little sensor walls. Yeah. And now they've moved to the sort of like optical mapping of space. But as we talked about when we talked about that doom story where Rumas were being used a map levels. That's pretty rough information. They're using for that. I'm really curious how this is gonna work especially with like hills and mowing at different times a day where the lighting conditions are all wildly different. Well, the other thing is that unlike vacuuming just coverage for your your for the vacuum in your house or the mopping of your floor your lawn the direction and path that you mow the lawn actually matters because it has an effect on the look of the law exactly in so previously. And this is like basic computer science wanna won the won the very first things you do when you're studying science. Did you study computer science did study or I did take a few computer science class? I did not know that but one of the first programming experiments, you working on is how do you create a mapping algorithm and using the Bruma as an example, and the room has long used a kind of spiral based mapping system where it goes from a center point and goes outward hits your corners or hit your and maps from there. But that's how you get full coverage in a very effective way. Lar- sheriff's air without that's the old room reach retreating or the without going through pats. But, but it is a very brand looking path at ends up. Now, it's random looking Pat. I the very first ones were spiral now. It's random looking path and we're lawns. You can't have this random looking path. So they're using a kind of like like, a also grid style goes up and down up and down. Yeah. As you would with a traditional lawnmower. Does it have to run around and scan? I know they have beacons that you have to set up at the edge. Yeah. That are communicating with the Antenne. So the arc rating some markers. But yeah, I don't know. Like, you would think it would have to go through some sort of mapping or it. Just wanders around. And learns the space, especially if you have trees are in the center of your lawn. Yeah. And also the bleed the the blend the edge of grass and dirt is sometimes kind of nebulous like what is this dirt patch or is this actual edge of your lawn? Yeah. And always seen is just like the stock photo shots. They, you know, the marketing shots they've sent which is like a perfectly flat patch of grass, you know, all that kind of stuff. So, but I'm all for this. This would be a mass if this works this is a huge lake. Well, the great thing for it is and like other base lawnmowers is you don't need to collect the grass you just leave it. There was a statement uttered in two thousand nineteen those other AI base l'amour there are competitors. Going on Germany, some people. Don't want the grass just left there. Really? Yeah. You want in the bag? Yeah. The old style. What about the mulching lawnmower is where it's just has enough power to just chop up the graphs undefined bits, right? I don't know. My my Papa always wanted the crass dumped over by the creek. We live in San Francisco. We don't launch do not exist. Sure, we have a semblance of greenery in the front of building. But I'm the lawn from for allowance back, you know, in middle school, and I had to do that, you know, dump the grass took a couple of times. What is what is the Queant for that in in the city environment for a kid? What is the chore dishes? Yeah. Cycling. Yeah. Garbage recycling compost now, basically that, but that's also in suburbs. Like your I think norms, right? There are fewer chores. What is what is it? Maintaining the cryptocurrency mining. What does that for San Francisco Oakland cleaning out, the the coffee maker cleaning out the Espresso machine? Yeah. Shooing the hipsters away. They're taking Instagram shots on your front porch. The final storage or it's going to put it out there. But not talk about in-depth 'cause this wire longer much longer discussion out of time for that. Is that Google's deep mind has now. Tackled starcraft two and one was two top human play. I did not know about this. I want to know what are the what are the what are the trade offs? Did they have to abide by certain rules, and directions? I do a little more research on. I want tangible details I want to race what strategy they employed. Well, that's easy. Right. It was star to five game series beat five five zero against two top players. And which ones that they use. You're saying it was a swept it swept the the mechanism of this is really important because starcraft to has a ton of micro. So if you ever see a professional starcraft player, it's superhuman they are freaking. Robots who are on hyperspeed. I'm really impressed by this. I believe they use protests. So that's the the race of choice for starcraft. They the the the I believe it was it was a protest protest. I mean, humans use whatever they're got good with. But I definitely want to do more reading because a lot of a lot of graphics and charts that Google mine has put out about this victory of things even like APM equivalents warrant talk a lot more about this next week. Put a put a bookmark and a pin in that. And I think for technology. Let's quickly move onto an excellent. Moment of science, right? Sixty second catch up on things I missed while you were gone John quay, which is the Chinese scientists who edited embryos that have grown into humans using crisper technology his lost his job. He was put under house arrest by the Chinese government. And now he's been expelled from his university. And his career is over. I haven't seen the report on this. But basically, they said. There is information that he's sort of falsified information on ethics things, and he's just like the doctor who prescribed cannabis cookies to four year old right here in California. Is that a thing that happened because terrible. It is there. And now he's gonna lose his job too. Good. Canadian astronomers at a at an array observed fast radio bursts over a multi month period originating from the same spot in the universe. These are radio bursts that are somewhere between a few milliseconds one hundred milliseconds in length. We don't know where they're coming from fast radio bursts occur. But we've only seen them a few times through history. This is the first time we've ever seen the pulse in a in a way that seem sort of on a regular pattern. We don't know what causes them to probably not aliens. Don't worry about it. Really cool story. Don't say that don't roll it out. Why don't rule it out rule? It out. Spiracy theorists. And then the coolest thing is out of Ed Boyden slab at MIT. He took a norm. This is for you. He took material that's like in diapers like that kind of aero jail type material. And when he did Burke, no the material that's actually absorbing the liquid. It's a gel compound. Oh, really? What is actually? What's diapers? Yeah. Oh, it's an aero Joe. And what he did was a longtime ago he came up with this idea of expansion microscopy. So what he would do is etched with light like certain patterns within an arrow gel, and then essentially hit it with a surrounding compound that would force that structure to expand. Like, so essentially like a water like compound, though, it force it to expand. And it would be he could sort of use that technique of expansion to actually embed sort of like four recipe compounds. So you could. Attach little things there and expand them out and do my cross in that way. So essentially, you can take you can load in the something really small in this aero- Joe then expanded and get a bigger picture of what it is. And so then like stuff at the nanometer scale where it's hard to generate resolution where overcoming that by expanding it out. Like, Honey, I shrunk the kids. He did the reverse. Yeah. This time around so he took the same era. Jill etched, a pattern with light in it attached, like a fluorescent compound within it. And then hit the the gel with an acid, which it down and was able to basically generate structures in the macro scale and shrink them down into the Nanno scale. So he's gone full aunt Manche. This is the coolest paper I've read in a while. All right. That was a up was longer than sixty seconds. All right onto this week. It's really cold in places like instant frostbite in Chicago. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's stay safe stay indoors to all those out there. But it is an opportunity to do some incredibly cool science experiments. So I have three suggestions so one you'll probably. Have all heard about which is basically get boiling. Hot water go outside throw it in the air it because the temperature particularly around like minus twenty five degrees Fahrenheit somewhere in the minds. Twenty two minutes. Twenty-five basically has no capacity to hold any water vapor as that bullying water spreads out. It can't be absorbed into the atmosphere. So it turns into snow and just comes down. So you can take boiling water boiling and has to be pretty hot. Why? Well, I mean just helps it doesn't have to be boiling, but it like aid like having it be hot at that temperature aids. In the spreading of it. It also vaporizing in needs to be near and needs to be pretty hot. That's cool people hurt themselves doing this all the time because water still surfaced engine. So it sticks together. So the hitting themselves with a glob of hot water, even though it's really cold outside. Yeah, that's cool. You can generate instant snow. But it's not as cool as some other things. My favorites are that soap bubbles can freeze in this kind of weather. So you can generate soap bubbles outside that will literally form into a structures that you can hold within your hand. If your extra cool, and our vapor, you can actually put some vape smoke inside of the bubble, and then have it frees over and you'll be holding sort of like an opaque ball of smoke that is frozen on the outside. It's super delicate. It's really beautiful because you get the crystalline structures that form a go you one better. So there is a liquid that is in my house that freezes it about minus thirty minutes like minus twenty minus twenty five two minus thirty depending on the purity of it celsius. Celsius. It is vodka. That's typically about eighty proof now vodka if you put it in your freezer won't freeze. It doesn't get cold enough. But is literally cold enough in places many of the places in North America where you can freeze vodka now freezing is really different than you. Don't get like an ice cube type lattice structure out can freeze vodka. It'll typically form a slush. I highly recommend if you get a silicone. Ice cube, mold. Yes. Those are resilient to about like, minus fifty degrees. So you can load it up with some vodka. Let it freeze and you'll get sort of this vodka almost slush when you comes out. That's like kind of like the. The texture of it because it can't form into a cube laddis, and then you can add it to your drink, and but it's super coal. So add it to like a slightly chilled like Tana tonic, and you can have a vodka tonic. Like you've never had before shaped like the my falcon if you have that. Won't pop out that way, but vodka freezing. Typically, it's only done with liquid nitrogen, but you get different kind of crystal formation with that because of how quickly if freezes the vodka. Okay, that's my recommendation, use this coal to experiment yourselves. All right. He's got two more stories. I got. Yeah. I got two more quick stories opportunity on Mars Las forever. Why they're hoping it lost power. It's headed it's solar panels covered up. Our only hope is Matt Damon because they're hoping to get wind actually shift some of the dust off the panels, and it we'd kick back to life and a big storm came by. And that did not happen. So so we cannot use the wind to restore opportunity. It's passed it's projected end of life. Anyway. Right. Oh, yeah. Way pass. So we need to send Matt Damon there, and he'll dust it off and come back to life. He needs. He needs the battery pack. Oh need so many things frame just to be kept company in his in his have on by the thing. Roving crisco. No, forget that this go. I have a business opportunity for all of you specifics space. If it's tell me space of it's it is we are gonna talk about space coffee. So a company startup has put. Out the idea that they're going to send coffee beans into low earth orbit and then using reentry use that heat from reentry to roast the beans. They're going to launch a capsule. I think it's about fifty kilograms. How big is this capsule seventy five kilograms of coffee in a capsule. How do they get temperature you over roast it? So how do you manage the temperature? It's got a tumble if you're going to get that even nice coffee, roasting. And so Dave mocked up a model that actually has a way like enough insulation that the roasting will occur naturally. It's supposed to tumble. Some folks have done calculations on this based off the weight Metrix. That's a good use of time. Yeah. It will cost about twenty thousand dollars per gala Graham to row beans, which means between two and five hundred dollars for the promise of this coffee. You got to send the beans up in the first place grown in space. Elon Musk has already done this. No, do you. Remember that guy? Peter Berg that Adams mentioned he he runs a group called rocket lab. That's based out of New Zealand that's doing low cost rocket launches. And now as expanding to the US their model is to use his sort of scheduled flight windows to send this up. This is easily one of the dumbest things I've heard insci- a long time coming soon to a hipster coffee place near you. Right. If you can afford it. The minute virtual reality this week. See this VR intermission called wired. Yes, it's a it's a it's not a VR film. But it was animated envy are using quill. I think this is one of the most interesting. Aspects of quill is that it is a VR tool. They got me expressly are only VR. Yes. That doesn't have just VR applications. Yeah. Yeah. So if you follow Goro one of the artists Facebook Oculus who works and create animations in in quill, you can watch them in the Facebook player sixty nine nations and the great, of course, there are a lot -tunities to watch innovations in VR, your Jelica in quill and a lot of the experiential sculptures. They do with a but to use that just to build your sets, the frame your scenes, and then the record it is a really concept. This is being reported as the first time at least one of the first times that quill has been used to make a feature length film with multiple scenes most animations that we see are just loops they're single scene with a loop. And it takes a long time to produce those because every frame has to be drawn traditional. Animation, but even with traditional animation. It takes a long time to make a single scene. So to spend the time to do a full feature length short is a serious commitment. And this is a made by student from the Rhode Island school design one of so this is one person one person to this. There's there's a short making a video to you can watch. But it's it's cute. The narrative is about a world where they don't have wireless technologies, and that's has some interesting implications. And from cinematography standpoint, you are limited because your camera is your headset. And or the capture that you're getting out of your headset onto the desktop, and so you're not swapping out at least in quill virtual camera lenses for telephoto. You can't get the same kind of shots. You would that animators at Pixar dizzy emission have built into their workflow. But you get a hand held camera which I mean, it's almost impossible for. For people to do with traditional computer graphic tools. It's always simulated. But this is this has a one to one mapping your same fix wide-angle hand held camera though. Absolutely, right, but the camera movements. Yes, our natural are very organic. Have you watched us in VR, just the flat? And if you can watch it you can't watch interview it's produced for the screen like that's what I like about. It is like it. There's a certain level of autour ship that I completely respect and doesn't lend itself to VR lends itself to a sixty-nine rectangle. I mean, I'll be really interested to go behind the scenes in VR and see. That would regain it. Right. Yeah. Of course, you'd get to see the edges you could see everything that wasn't drawn. Yeah. But I mean, that's why it's behind the scene that would be fun. Absolutely. It's a different kind of shadow. Yeah. It is. But now we have tools that are made for this. This not he's not repurposing a game out. Right. Right. Right. I mean, would you rather? Are you more interested in watching the compressed or compress quality? But the pre rendered capture of this as this is on or being able download the assets and play it back as high resolution as you want. I still haven't really seen something like that. Where it necessitates? Locally. Yeah. I liked idea being render local. I mean, that's a that's an argument that the demo scene might have because they have competitions every month, and they're releasing new products, and they're all real time applications, but they're all on YouTube now, and I would say most people just watched them on you two demos would even say is somebody. That's better. Appreciate it. Because part of the the craftsmanship is the rendering is this the the program the them, and you're getting so much more out of those particles facts rendered in real time than you would. And then YouTube actually takes away from that with compression. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's but convenience always Trump's quality. There you go. That's the answer to why apple will never make a full game council. Pat, convenience from quality. And we've gone full circle. I don't think any other big news in in VR that we'll talk about stay out of our five. I five yet. Good luck. Guys. I know you've got some replacements. I was in there with you. I mean, I was a liquor. But yeah, that's too bad. Yeah. I do wanna point out one. There was a commenter on or Oculus who made an observation about the quest promo trailer like the video that they released at the last. Where they have a bunch of wire frame weapons that the person using quest pulls out and uses and they noted that three of them appear to be well, they thought three of them were from marvel they had the Thors hammer doctor Strange's shield thing and the hulk smash turns out, actually, that's not true. The the from the first two or from unspoken hammering you're making the the Festus. Yeah. Exactly. And the and the shield thing is not doctor strange, but the whole cans, yes, clearly hulk, so they're wondering could marble powers United be in development for quest. Or did the marketing team just use marvel powers as inspiration for this trailer? We shall see. But I think it's an interesting observation. I mean every little morsel and speculation we can do right now. That's all we got to go on before release sometime later this year for quest that does it for us this week for this podcast a last minute. Bit of news. I mentioned films struck earlier while the replacement for film struck, but the criterion collection channel criterion channel is now open for subscription announced that they will launch April eighth. And if you sign up now, and I I'm going to sign up after record this podcast. You will get to enjoy a free movie a week up until April launch. And I think it's even cheaper now than there launch pricing. So if you're into criterion channel movies, if you were a subscriber films truck, this is this is what you've been waiting for. I think that's it for this week. Thank you. Jeremy thank you could shore out there. Thank you for listening. And I will welcome your nicknames descriptors for all three of. Us. Send them to me on Twitter at an Shan yet. Send them only to norm. Yeah. Not follow science cash. Jere wear. That's where we're on social media by ne- new ways into these introduce these guys every time record we've much happening on site. Please check that stuff out. We didn't even talk about the one thing we were going to talk about this week. Oh, guys. We waited this whole week to talk about Volta, and we didn't do it. We have time. That's the third time the post post credits chat time he wants to do it. After the thing. Let's do it after the thing. All right Altro by mad cat. Overman? Baby. Okay. I can't believe we we neglected to talk about that. Well, I lost the fire because I saw this thing a month and a half ago, but you didn't go behind the scenes until last week. I did you're right. I went behind with. So you had mentioned on the podcast that you went to see Volta, the circus show, San Francisco going and San Jose raved about you raved about it. And you said you'd never been to bins. I never seen her. So someone working on the show reached out to us and invited us to see the show and also to go backstage. So we did very kindly. Yes. So I got social sure you had made plans to see the show with your son. Yes. Well, I went to different time and got a different behind the scene steak, and I saw the show last week the show itself. Awesome. Love great the BMX bike portion without giving away. Much was just stunning. Well, it's good. Right. Yeah. It's just stunning what they were doing. Also, there's this a set of scenes that uses a bridge that kinda just shows up and just like the fact they're like doing all these crazy manipulations off of that bridge that bridges like moving. Was totally incredible. So I was blown away by numerous outback's of the show whenever my family goes to see my wife, and particular always just inspired by the the the joy of life that these performers seem to have that the fact that they're using their bodies to do these performances in ways that most people simply couldn't fathom. Yep. And it's it's amazing. It's inspiring. And you teased a few things on still entitled this week about going backstage, just the sheer enormity of it like seventy four trucks full of gear, and they build a little city. Did you go into the food area did not go to the food area? So it like that's the first place we stopped, and it's basically feeding city and these are like mammoth like, you know, incredibly tiptop athletes that are in the show. So, you know, they're eating like their body, weight and food not doughnuts. No, no, just like car below ding to the extreme. So I mean, it was like building a city like you said on still entitled it was really unbelievable seeing the mechanics of a city like the infrastructure of the city booed and built in a parking lot. Yeah. I wanted to know about the language barriers because there's so many nationalities. I think twenty five nationalities represented on one tour go to Cirque show. They have flags up front that represent each of the nations of the performers. It turns out that all performers are contractually obligated to speak English as the common language, so that they can pull off a show because there has to be a level of understanding between the techs and the performers for safety reasons as prizes English. Not french. Yeah. Well, it is the most common universe language. Yes. The really interesting thing for me, and I really loved the the performances, and for me, the the hair suspension was probably the act that I blew my mind way, the most this is someone who essentially levitated bobbing held up. She actually sick during my performance. So we didn't see the my goodness, you can Google hair suspension. Surp- Soleil and watch video clip on you'd snap. -solutely it borders on Erie because you've never seen anything like this. And it you wonder does that painful? Yep. Because she's being suspended by her hair and the physical strength on your core and your neck needed to hanging limp on your hair, she is like flying and imposes, and but all the acts that have the the straps in the ropes that come from the ceiling, just before you leave hair thing. I just wanna say that it's not just the spectacle of her being hung by her hair. That's impressive. She ends up doing things that you couldn't do any. Other way, right like flying low thirty feet above the ground arms out essentially because being held up not by harness. Right. But by a ring in in in her hair. All that kind of all those acrobats require a relationship between the performers and also the mechanisms though, the ropes themselves and the winches that pull them. And so the videos that you'll see on tested in the coming weeks are about what we learned about how those systems work the four mass are put in place that hold up the tent that hold up all the weight that bridge that assure mention and also the computer systems that are programmed choreographed to work with the choreography of each act. So that they for maneuver like being pulled up in swinging around can be a sequence of ten or twelve commands on computer that tell you to tighten the rope to pull up with this amount of force. And a lot of physics just involved on that side of it. And that was something that I wasn't even thinking about when watching the show that had a new appreciation for after going backstage. Yeah, I did know how much was computer controlled. And how much was manually controlled because we're. In the feeder where every single rope was a dude pulling on a pulley or maybe a group of people, and it's, but it's all computer controlled. Yeah. At for Cirque and every component is tweakable even between performances if there's feedback from the performer that says I'd like to take off those slower to land little easier. Right. They can treat those parameters super cool the stuff in action that staged self. With the rotating stage was really awesome. There's a nice little bit in forthcoming tested episode. That's a that's you and the the walk on the rotating stage. And then, of course, the workshops that were set up, right? Not only over the you have the food and the the facilities teams. But also the repair shops. One whole tent we got the tour is setup as the repair stations for every different department props department the rating departments the automation departments, and they all have their own workstations, and basically pack all the gear that they would need into large road cases that fit into the summit trucks. I liked how they had different gear for breakdown and setup than they had for maintaining the show. So that stuff doesn't get like scavenge and all that kind of stuff. This hair hanging is blowing my freaking mind. I have it up on the screen this nuts. She's swimming. Yeah. It takes them two days to strike the entire ten. It takes two days my office. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible entire not just the tenth everything everything packed into trucks, and then seven days to setup they can get up. Running in two weeks. I love the wardrobe area is the one that stuck out to me. I'm there's there these kind of wigs like helmets that are essentially crafted individually to the shape and design of each of the performers heads that I loved the feather helmet. I thought was incredibly gorgeous. And, you know, thousands of feathers that are painstakingly sort of sewed and glued onto the mesh. I thought that was fascinating which we learned when they traveled certain countries. They can't bring those wigs long with them in the can't cross the border because they're orgasmic with what? Yeah. Do they have to remake them the fourth those specific countries now? Yeah. That is bizarre every performer gets their body scanned now as opposed to life cast which used to do they need to get new replacement part like a wig or a piece of clothing. They have information that can fabric quickly with the digital data. Very modernized. I love how there's this intensely human story behind the scenes of all these things like I got to see some of the performers warming up. I ran into the the main clowns son who's actually his voice is is used in the show, and he like recreated it as we're walking by because he overheard us talking about it so travels with the show. I mean, it's the kid son. Yeah. But it's guys families get the travel like do they home school? We didn't get into that kind of discussion. But yet, I don't know. Wow. Like, his like the wife was there and stuff because I know a lot of the performers actually go home between cities because they don't need to do the ten day setup. Of course, they travel they go home they, but they're here like a month at a time. Right. So I just can't imagine like the I I'm so curious about more of those stories because the recovery the exertion that they're going through. And they're doing two shows night. Yeah. We were told the three of us. None of us all the same show. And so that might be true from from night tonight, like they'll be subtle differences acts might be swapped out performers. I mean, it's the same kind of thing that you would expect a magic show Penn and teller put show on they decide maybe that day that week that noted for this show, we're gonna have this repertoire of acts from from the catalog they have. But don't you think that this is that that search does it based on availability, or I'm sure they program design show like they have their ideal right from the ginning based on the ability of artists performers because they're only so many of these super talented people around the world, but even from tonight, you know, someone needs the night of rust or injuries like, yeah. Technical stuff in the whole idea to make it seamless. And so it takes twenty four months start to finish to produce. Oh from design from whiteboard to tent up. Wow. Twenty four months and the performers come in six months before performance. But of course, the performers are part of the entire design. They design the acts around existing performances. I got I gotta give shout out to the musicians. That's something. I'd just didn't. I'd never think of live music. Some shows make a big deal of some sort performances. The the musicians come out more. They do a bit in in Volta. But not as much as I would have liked because I think you're right. I think a lot of people just assume recordings. Thank you, Sean out there for inviting us to the show and will have it use of that on the site. Hopefully, not to pulsar onto far pulsar set up there, everyone there was super welcoming. And and just beyond gracious already that really does it for us this week. We had our Altro already. Thanks for listening. And we'll see next time.

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2019 Week 3 Recap

Around the NFL

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2019 Week 3 Recap

"Round with the NFL podcast deserves to park in talent only spaces damn right welcome to another condition of the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hans is joining a room filled with heroes marks tessler Chris Wesley and Greg Rosenthal. What is up belise tatum. What a day what did Chris Wesseling was just commenting on the way up here how the football was superior on Sunday Sunday of three to superior too weak to yes so okay unbalanced but much better than the sloppy play of week to the NFL and the sloppy officiating of the NFL okay you went through a lot on game pass last week. I could tell something out of you it yeah. It really increased -creased my sleep. Put Me to sell it all last week. I'm I'm. I'm falling asleep because it is eighty nine degrees in the studio today they actually turn the heat up from Thursday show so this is about survival this episode of the around the NFL podcast also pulling back the curtain a little bit. This is the the first in the history of the show and we've done about thousand episodes. The Cleveland Browns are playing on Sunday night football as we go through these games and mark how're you doing. I mean number one John. Let's start at right here raging professional. My focus is on the show and interacting with you about helping me. That's that's who I you know my. I I will turn towards the game when we're finished with our jobs here. Our jobs are the primary responsibility. I'm really impressed by that. Answer really really impressed. It's mostly trail. You're also part of the Ramle. Now you locked up the rams and you're rooting for the fighting jared Goff's. That's obligated. Look into mark soul this game so that will be going on as we go through every game that was played in Sunday of week three. You guys guys WanNa get into it I I I kinda stacked it at the top of the show in author of all the undefeated teams so we're going to go through all the teams that are entering week three three or entered week three to know and see how they fare. Let's get going with the marquee matchup of two teams the Baltimore Ravens at Arrowhead against the chiefs homes right foot in front of the left the homes pump pickings GonNa Throw Screen Right Daryl Williams of the block he's at the forty forty five Ed midfield by Baltimore Ravens Goodbye at one thirty nine to go in the game a screen pass of sixteen ars dialed up by big red and executed perfectly by the NFL MVP Patrick Mahomes Mitch halt to the chiefs radio network with the guy who's his version of the Hayes in the barn. go home. Baltimore Ravens Cost Yeah Jazz got banged. Patrick Mahomes iced the game with that completion to Daryl Williams Darrell Darrell Darrell Williams the final pass and another brilliant afternoon for the reigning. MVP who threw three seventy four and three touchdowns in a thirty three twenty twenty eight win over the ravens who fought a two and one chiefs now three zero and their quarterback might actually be better than he was a year ago think about that one of the best seasons ends of all time and Mahomes just playing the game at a level that no one else is sniffing. The Ravens Greg the Ravens. Get a lollipop here. I know you're watching this game and the cubicle. I could hear you Tamminen Hawn and an Hongqian about your boy Lhamo. I don't care what the draft or the assignment says. I'm watching over you so you've made that evidently clear to the bad boy. NFL media the Ravens get a lollipop for hanging around in this game but it never really felt in doubt. This was another day for Patrick Mahomes in chiefs of keep role. I'm taking that lollipop away. They were lucky to have the final score. Be This close the defense which talked to good game before this match up in terms of Earl Thomas saying they weren't gonNA give big plays really didn't provide much resistance the Earl Thomas was victimized on play where you could see Andy Reid saw tendency and see where Earl Thomas was going to jump a row of Sammy Watkins in the slot and they went over the top for Michael Hardman Michael Hartmann for eighty three yards. There was no pass rush. I I felt like more than any game. Obviously this season you could really see the missing. Terrell suggs ends area Smith because Patrick Mahomes at all day back there even even though he didn't have his left tackle he had plenty of time and I felt like they could have put up a forty burger or more. If things had gone a little differently I mean it's it's nine point six yards per pass from from a homes and you mentioned like how he has improved markedly visibly on the field and we mentioned on sky sports that they talked all off season. He's more comfortable in the offense and a Lotta Times. I read that stuff and I say I don't hope simply don't really care about those kinds of assessments in mid July or late June but he looks that much more at at home and they don't tyreek. Hill is not in the lineup right. You can't even tell the difference they have an absolute embarrassment of wet big play weapons by the end of last last year it was a one horse race for MVP and I think he's widened the gap between first and second place in the first three games this year. The difference is there was some anticipation throws throws on third down where he's letting go the ball well. Before the receiver makes his break there was just recognition of where the blitz coming from where he just knew whereas hot read was and they just had solution but the thing I really liked today was he was getting on his offensive lineman. He got on a big ready. Andy Reid for blowing the clock situation wanting running it to be fixed. He he just seems like he has such command that he's not afraid now to call some people out and he is just like a master of what is happening and the Raven and I think they could have played this game. Ten Times in the ravens just weren't up to snuff to compete in this one. They were missing Eric Fisher. They're left tackle. Siree kills we mentioned Damian Williams. They're starting running back and it just doesn't seem to matter less on McCoy sat out the fourth quarter with his injury. He reinjured his ankle. and on the other side of the ball this is the first game and you knew this game would eventually come and there's no reason to look too much into it and see it as a major issue going forward but a Lamar Jackson for three quarters kind of looked like the Lamar Jackson who struggled at times during his rookie year missing on passes. Maybe not seeing the field the way you need to certainly to stay in a game mm against the chiefs Greg Day. He missed a lot of deep throws. I mean there were opportunities to stay in this game. I don't think it was an incredible chiefs. Defensive Performance I can think of three or four down the field where he had open receivers. He missed it. I think it was three for twelve on throws over twenty yards so they were daring him to go deep. The running game was good. Ingram was amazing. Lamar ended up up getting some good runs in the second half. Gus Edwards did pretty well but he just didn't deliver it. I think it's the toughest stadium to go into and play in the league right now and and I I don't worry about the ravens at all because I just think that they're still so well. Put together and Ingram to your point. It was the perfect free agent for the right for this team name and he's fit in so I think he could have gone somewhere else and we wouldn't be talking about him week to week. He fits perfectly on the Ravens and I think we'll bounce back big time on from this and they'll probably meet again. I don't ullmark would is see earl. Thomas said that he expects them to meet again after the game the only thing in this AFC though where it looks awfully similar to last year in the beginning yeah those losses for the chiefs and the Patriots there might not be that many of them so they're already. If you're not span you're already thinking about getting by in the playoffs before we move on. I want to call attention to one other aspect aspect of game that I found very interesting. John Harbaugh coached and ultra aggressive game. What are the more aggressively coach. Games I've ever seen I don't necessarily mean that as a compliment I find it you know I I I find it. You know hanging onions that way that's respectable but they went for it on fourth down four times and they went three for four in that situation they attempted three two point conversions failed all three and when it's a five point loss and and it makes you wonder it fell to me see that he was so he was somehow trusted his offense too much and maybe not enough at the same time here's the comments from harbaugh reporters were questioning his strategy after the game and we we had a mindset that we're going to come in and we're going to try scores main points as we could so that's what we try to you know and I know I know we all felt the same way the same way we all did. We're and we'RE GONNA. Keep playing that way just for the record so when you write your article just understand that. Will you know we're going after we're in play all year. So that's the mahomes affect it is. You're psyched out a little bit knowing that you have to keep up with the chiefs and they did. They had to keep up right right a forced to punt the chiefs scored seven out of nine trips that didn't and didn't end the game so he was right they had scored. I like the aggressiveness. I mean it's not always going to work to not is pretty wild. That's one of the best coaches in the league. We've been saying that for a long time all right another undefeated team. They reside in western New York to Orchard Park. We go Joe Allen's ready to go out of the gun again. Free receivers lined up right side. There's the staff. Josh looks left. Fires left wide open by gossip knocks midfield on the run. It's fast one man trying to get another man both him down in his finally knocked out of bounds at the Cincinnati twenty four yard line. Dotson Knox brought nabbed the catch knocking down bengals along the way. What a huge play that was Jon Murphy Bills Radio Network. When the call yes tight end Dawson knocks the Josh El a pass turned into an evolutionary rock just forty nine yard catch and run set up a Frank Gore touchdown? That was the difference in twenty one seventeen win over the bengals in Rowdy Pretty Orchard Park the victory moves the bills two three zero and sets them up for a huge week for showdown against the Patriots Mark consider this bills comeback comeback another leap forward Josh Allen right absolutely I mean they're not a fluke. You know you get some of these teams that role to these early nice records and you have to look a little little deeper and wonder what they really are. What the bills though are not is an explosive big-play offense they had fifteen first downs before the bengals had had their first and it looked that way but they had elite of sixteen nothing I mean you. They're going to need to find a way to pile up points and find some more explosion Asian. I still think John Brown Coal Beasley. wordperfect fits for Josh Allen. Josh Allen is going to continue to push the ball downfield. He made a bad interstate a bad pick in this game but they they were patient enough for the to wait for the Bengals to make a killer mistake of their own with adult and interception but they to to me with Buffalo. I give them a shot against him. I really do because of their defense. They just they're gonNA hang around with teams that are superior to them because of what they can do on defense they make life very uncomfortable for Cincinnati's attack the step forward for the Josh Allen Experience came with five minutes to go in the fourth quarter so the buffalo had a fourteen zip lead in this game and Cincinnati score seventeen unanswered and that was set up perfectly. We've talked about it in real time markdown in the newsroom room. Here's Josh Allen takes over. He has plenty of time. They had timeouts and what he has to do. Now show us that he can go get the lead back in west. He did it with ease. They marched down the field and scored he's. We still don't know what you're getting. We week to week from Josh Allen and that's to me. That's the reason why the Patriots are going to be the heavy favorites next week marks right that their defense the bills defense gives them a chance and when when they did finally take the lead this is when you know Dan was saying this is a great progress check for Josh Allen and then they took the lead and marks. I said let's see if Andy Dalton has anything in his human body at this point. You really thought it was like after years Andy Dalton. Please show me something with the game on the line yeah and he and he threw an interception when the the you know what it's to me you go in three. You look talking. AFC teams in the Ravens and the Patriots and the chiefs who are looking simply unstoppable and the bengals have had is a bad of a start to the season they could have imagined after I thought a really frisky performance warm and weak one. They had a chance to win. This game and all would have required was the offense to do their part and they couldn't. It's a tough ask against Buffalo's defense but for me. I just want to see a few more like Dawson knocks. They've compared with Jeremy shockey. He is an interesting player. I don't know if I'd call him. Jeremy Shaw the field as well not sure about the off the field elements but Josh Allen. Hey that'd rebounding touchdown in a Super Bowl Jeremy shockey for you. GotTa go get slept on sometime. I like this bill. They're fun like it's the League needs more. Even if they're not a super bowl type team it's impossible not to enjoy how well they're coached and how they've lived up to any sort of offset they were getting a little buzz in the off season and they could have gone one too and we beat forget about them. It's the opposite I just WanNa know what Andy Dalton did to poor mark. I mean what he said on air is very professional. Just like you said going into this show but the invective you've sent Salton about this status and you know I call them Adeline on international I emily well. It's just it's the same old story from Andy. Dalton and Bengals fans can come at me and they're all upset that we're too negative about them but it's the same narrative over and over and you know who has a different sort. SORTA bengals this who you've invested in your in your offensive lineman you're but we do know who he is. He's good enough at at this time. Last year. We were talking about how he won three straight fourth quarter comebacks and that's why they started three in one. He was super card well. There's going to be a good team around this little pockets like that from Alden but it's just I. I don't know how what if I had Holly Hobby at backup. I might throw her into see what can happen in a game. Just maybe something different all right. Let's I don't know who that is. Who's Holly Ali Hobby. It's like a child's doll. Oh typically girls doll boy could have the doll to from what I understand why you're making eye contact with me like I don't know how Hobby Dole it. I did the real thing. It's a real around. I mean it was it was it was a thriving article a toy back in the day. Jeremy shockey that touchdown for the saints it was with the Saints yes that was they had the go ahead touchdown. He had to go ahead and touch them when they beat the colts. Okay thank you very much all right. we mentioned the new mainland. Patriots who have the big match against the bills but I they had to take care of business against the downtrodden. AFC East quote unquote rival onto the throne road of sleaze this shell the CEO back first in ten from the twenty five of all on the line. Hash Izzo motions tight sand under center parents the play pick the Michelle Creek. Go download a light up doors right to the five twenty four touchdown patriots. That's Bob Soichi of the Patriots Radio Network. We don't need to hear from you. Zolak this week so I go to disgrace last week. Oh Hey good pay kit Antonio Brown welcome to the neighbourhood kid you grow up Tom. Brady Gabriel touchdown passes including that connection with Bill Dorset and the pats didn't allow offense touch such after the third straight week in thirty fourteen win over the hapless New York football jets it was business as usual for the Patriots who rolled to three and two days after their misguided uncouth Antonio Brown experiment ended with the wide receivers release as expected. This wasn't much of a game even give the jets credit for at least keeping it from turning into a disaster at least their defense the jets offenses fences lost as an offense could be right now. They had about one hundred total yards in this game. Both their scores one was on a muffed punt and the other was a pick six by Jamal Adams. Yes I'm just happy. Jamal Adams had something to be happy about. that's where I'm at right now they go into their by it. Oh and three and hope to have SAM darnold back in week five against the eagles where they can I'm kind of regroup as for the Patriots very much business as usual they they are limited right now on offense a little bit because they have the injuries. He's on the offensive line as we said Antonio Brown is no longer in the picture. Julian Edelman leaves this game with a chest injury. I believe they did tests and it's not believe it sounds like he's GonNa be okay anything too serious but that's where they are right now. They didn't really move the ball to well on the ground. Brady started off red hot cooled off as things went along but at that point the game is already well in hand so the Patriots Take Care of business. They're going to evolve right now. They're much different than last year. I think Brady is playing lights out and the rest of the offense isn't quite there yet but he's played. He played this three game stretch. I think is better and certainly the the schedule has helped but better than any three-game stretch of his personal performance during last regular season they also gave up one hundred and five yards in this game which was the lowest us than the bill belichick era so their defense. It'll be fun to watch them against them. You know they're gonNA play much better competition but right now. Jamie Collins has been such a huge addition for what they do. I mean a year ago. Jamie Collins whispers were that he was not even trying playing for the browns so I don't know obviously they've flipped the switch on him big surprise but they're up two hundred yards to eight heading into the second quarter against the jets and I you know it's easy to pile on the jets but it's the kind of season with the way that it's going right now that yes I realize you don't have darnold in there but it's been about as concerning a six-day stretch as you could imagine for a team in in with the way the depending on this plays plays out. I wonder if Adam case gets a second season unless they unless they start to do what you'd think that they hired him to do. I mean the offense is devolving gene and you worry about a guy like levy on long over and I know I'm not again not trying to pile on but Dan amai wrong. I feel I believe earning that like it couldn't have gone on worse obviously the first three games of the season however he's not all to blame the offensive line which he didn't put together has been worse-than-expected then expected. They started their third starting quarterback in three weeks. LUKAC is not an NFL player and there's nothing if you go to New England the best defense in the league with the quarterback that's on an NFL quarterback. There's no way you're gonNA move the ball now. I don't want to let gays off the hook because in addition to the offensive line being wretched and the quarterback position being a travesty and a horrible situation for the franchise the playcalling has been bad but I don't know how much put into that because what he's supposed to do when you have this type setup so basically you hit the dynamite you push down on the on the lever. Everything explodes your season as a contender quote unquote is over you hope to get darnold back and then. I really think gets a chance to say I'm not a joke. I'm not the problem here but I think the pressures on him as soon as they get out of this guy to show something on offense and getting darnold back would be a big lift for toward that goal. Patriots opponents are Oh and nine this year right. I don't think they've been tested for two straight weeks. You can't take anything really out of these games. I've been really disheartened by Bill Belichick and I've lost so much respect for him in the last two or three weeks. The Guy who's mantra is do your job treats these press conferences and interviews like a child like an absolute child who will not take any responsibility will not answer why they signed. Antonio Brown will not answer why they released. Antonio Brown just handles like an absolute child having a fit and you won't explain why you did this. I just I have no respect left for him. Yeah the the interview. I think probably that setting off with Dana Jacobson ups and before the game is tough to watch them staring staring her down the timing of the release you know they clearly made a a smart move to get rid of them based on you know what's happened even since he joined the team. I I believe that the leak which was self serving that they did not know no the allegations that were about to happen one day after they signed him because of course you would not sign a person and given that sort of money a day before that's going to drop but the the process they went through after that fact to have him active last week was really strange and it does sound like the the text text or the DMZ Brown sent to his accuser of the Bobby Clem Co Story Great Journalism by Robert Clump. Go was basically what got him cut from. The Patriots treats because that happened when he was on it was a little gross just to see everyone from Tom. Brady on cozy up to M- the way they did after they knew what was out there and there are a lot of patriots hatred fans who I'm sure you've heard the same are glad he's not on the team anymore. It only everyone can be put in the same bundle in that. I would assume most they're relieved. I mean the lobby clip. Go said journalists is just in his jobs also getting docks on the Internet for what it's worth for outing brown for his creep behavior but and by the way I can put Philip on the field. This guy gets better each and every week. You don't need Antonio Brown the the thing with bell check with the press conferences. The Jacobson thing was just uncalled for right. I don't know what he was going for their but the fact that he would he walked off from his last press conference that came shortly before the release. It's as if he believed that because he's bill checking second because they're the patriots he wouldn't have to be answering these type of questions which should have been a foregone conclusion. If you bring this manage your building that becomes part of your experiences head coach coach and your organization it almost felt like he thought he was above that but you weren't bill your job and and I think one of the reasons they caught him as him having to deal with the Patriots Sir okay. There are a great team. They're three and they're steaming towards January again but this was not a good look for the organization. I don't care if they didn't get they don't get hit in the wallet on it and it looks like they'll be able to get out of the contract and they'll move on because they're so good at moving on but this. I believe was one thing I mean. Belichick gets too much of a free pass for treating reading the media this way because if another coach who hadn't won as much as he had treated reporters this way would be a major story. I mean you can't get away with that. Dismiss the behavior but because it's bill belichick it's part of it's baked into his charm. I guess to some that he dismisses the press this way it's a joke to most and on and on the Antonio Brown front he then fires off an array of tweets on Sunday morning taking shots at a bunch of people including Robert Kraft a reference to his prostitution arrest also Ben Roethlisberger's past issues with women basically hitting out and then challenging aging I guess the Players Association to fight for me because they team should be able to take away my guaranteed money well. Nobody's playing the violin for you know on the deleted business eight boom has because his agent probably is like you are taking money out of no one would be screen capturing those tweets your find by tweeting deleting all right. Let us move on another undefeated team. The Green Bay packers slack to the left side. They stack those two receivers devante potato tandem from forty jumping into the neutral zone pre player so it appears rainbows peak down the Dome Park West Delta Gambling Forty yard mark was built gambling the Great Wayne Larry. The for the packers radio network with call Aaron Rodgers doing Aaron Rodgers. Things Rodgers threw the Broncos offsides then delivered. We're at a forty yard touchdown strike to M. V. S. Two Thousand Nineteen breakout candidate the packers a twenty seven to sixteen win at Lambeau Green Bay moves to three and under rookie head coach Leffler Matt The flower I do I don't. I don't demand that you but I'm glad that you are. I like it. The broncos fought Owen. Oh and three under their rookie head coach. I don't need help with us on the show. Wes give a progress update on the packers offense three weeks. Three victories in packers offense is still feast or famine. It really depends just has it as the last couple of years where whether Aaron Rodgers is hitting these big plays or just missing these big plays is this was a dominant ball control attack for the broncos dominated time of possession but when you play that style to try to keep the packers off the field can't turn it over three times and Noah fan the rookie tight end who looks like he's going to have a really good career has been one of the most mistake prone players in the NFL for the first three weeks of the season he he had a really bad fumble in which Alexander stripped the ball and speaking of Alexander the story this game is the packers defense specifically the off season that Brian Gouda Kaz Tad ed the DOJ says the draft that he had last year taking gyreg sound Alexander in the first round this year he comes back with Gerry who got his first career sack and also had a fumble recovery ovary darnold savage who we've pointed out has been great so far he had a diving interception in this game Preston Smith. Daria Smith combined for five sacks today what they're big free agent acquisitions. Kotei Guti is even like that Bruce Arians out in the parking lot. Let's get let's get the pickup truck out and beers. Here's unless you're doing like the Michael Jordan Shoulder Shrug yes. He walks to the office. That's amazing wow thirty six rushes for the broncos running game Philip Lindsay ever like Stephen Take Lindsey's best game of the Year Royce. Freeman lost an eighteen yard touchdown to a bad holding Liam penalty on Emmanuel Sanders just a really bad call by the reps on that one it took a touchdown off the board and then flacco ultimately got sacked on third down in that series flacco. Do you know He. I don't think he was the primary pro the the concentration should be on their defense not on their offense. They don't have a sack or a takeaway instilled name. Shaq Barrett is eight sacks. He was on the roster last year this team zero. They almost had a golden today one. QB Hit for the whole team and the the last two weeks everyone saying well the quarterbacks getting the ball out of their hands quickly. That's not happening when it's Aaron. Rodgers the passer just for whatever reason isn't getting there but you know what did get there that goody music just to the guys and girls out there like your significant other took the mood you know trying to get them in the mood. Just kind of things going on and this is what's the magic. This is Brian Gouda cuts by the way. Yes yes twelve before he got into football. This was his trade. WHO's a hardcore German rapper. I if I'm a broncos Fan I don't know maybe we'll talk to west. Maybe turn earn this right. This experience often check back in two thousand twenty. I don't need thirteen more games of JOE FLACCO JOE FLACCO. 's issues but there's just an. I I can't imagine you can't drop them or uninspiring scenario disease and to your point your criticism or the idea that Adam Adam Gates should be criticized which I think is totally. Fair isn't found Gio the defensive version of that. This guy has a a well earned reputation as a defensive mastermind the fact that he would take over as the head coach and I'm Greg. You mentioned a couple of weeks ago the difference between going from upstairs the down on the sideline and how that changes a lot about how you do your job on game days. Maybe that'll be a story coming. I mean this have no sacks to be this ineffective on defense with that talent you wonder the margin for error is so small you know they did move the ball much better than the bears last week and they lost in that killer fashion they did move the ball and hold that much better than on the road but in the second half better than the raiders later in the season opener they have looked good for spurts but not overall and what did Emmanuel Sanders say after the game. We're in a world of suck right now. I'M GONNA World of pain the heat in the studio. This is uncomfortable but we are fortunate on. We are a thirteen billion dollar our company. I mean it doesn't help the game off camera. There is like a special does falling from the ceiling on US too so I'm not even sure we're going to get to the eighteen billion million the next game. Please second down eight at the Miami nineteen in the gun. Elliott goes out the pattern to the right throws scrape. Craik vans yell cut sales today for Amari Cooper and that was a perfect nineteen nineteen yard strike from Prescott nineteen to nineteen. We've heard a lot from him early. On the season. He's Brad Sham the Shammgod. KRLD Dak Prescott threw two touchdown pass to Amari Cooper. The also ran for a score and the cowboys they righted themselves after sluggish start knocking off the dolphins thirty thirty one to six mark. If Miami executes better in this game we might actually have something approaching an athletic contests in the second half. They did not execute and you know the desert people who set that really big number. They were right. I think Dak Prescott has raised the bar on his own performance that what we saw today. People were panicking a little bit and concerned about where he was at halftime but a year ago would have been sort of every game mm-hmm we expect from Dak Prescott. They were fine. I think you know Miami's going to not lose. Every single contest fifty nothing the cowboys were a little sluggish but they had two hundred the yard rushers in this game and dominated by the end wouldn't be concerned if I'm Dallas overall it to me you just I don't know what to take from these dolphins games. How do you Self Scout. When you go out and win thirty one to six it was not Dallas best performance by any stretch of the imagination but it went by twenty-five exactly exactly similar jets impacts like did the cowboys come out of this game healthy. They got the win. We knew that was gonNA happen. Are they. Okay healthwise as Ford well. I think they're fine. I mean it's they took care of business business. I I don't know the dolphins to me. We've already discussed at length but I don't know how you keep. The locker room engaged because you're we're trying. They had the sunniest staff they've had all year. They were down ten to six after to create they were they were up on the cowboys about fifty total yards. They had two hundred ten yards gestures and did give them a spark. It sounds like in the first half Ah yeah and then kit in Kenyan Drake fumbled inside the ten right as the first athletic ending and then that would seem to be. Let's put this tank job in perspective since one thousand nine hundred fifty more than half the NFL teams have been added to the league starting from scratch as expansion teams since one thousand nine hundred fifty. No defense is allowed allowed more than one hundred and thirty three points that the dolphins allowed in the first three games of the season since one thousand nine hundred ninety. No team has had a worst point differential than the dolphins minus one seventeen since one thousand nine hundred fifty only one team has had a worse yards differential than the dolphins minus eight thirty one and the top four that list is three expansion teams uh-huh and the two thousand nine hundred nine Miami Dolphins. This is worse than an expansion team can't happen didn't have to be the Dallas running game. Zeke who still seems to be getting warmed up nineteen for one twenty five Tony powered. This guy can play thirteen for one. Oh three and a touch. They had two hundred thirty five yards on the ground. I think that's great for them. I mean we we could see Tony Pollard in the preseason looking like a special player and someone that was going to have a role and I love how they're using him. He had thirteen carries today. Elliot had nineteen. They berklee makers coming out of their ears. Let's move up five seconds on the play clock. Quick snap frozen zone search interest Papa Papa there and that was Tim Ryan tackle this cackling and happiness and confusion forty nine forty niners radio network Jimmy G. threw a five yard touchdown pass pass with one fifteen to play and the niners overcame. I'm five turnovers including I believe three and they're red zone and the red zone to beat the Pittsburgh steelers twenty four to twenty for the niners it is their first three start in in twenty one years and and for the steelers their own three and talked about on Thursday show this felt like the type of game that Pittsburgh circles the wagons as they say in the Mike Tomlin era and find uh-huh finds a way to win and Chris Wesseling set you up because you had a good point on twitter first of all good job with a good point it happens. I'm not sure what it is yet. Twitter waiting when they traded for Minka Fitzpatrick who by the way had a big role in this game eh interception I believe he forced fumbles well. It led to a lot of discussion about how many I and high round picks on defense. The steelers have and Keith Butler defensive coordinator. You pointed out hey keith better make us work now well twice after a slow start by Mason Rudolph in which he couldn't really get anything anything going on in the first half and he looked lost he connects on a catch and run touchdown with Juju Smith Schuster that covers about ninety yards that puts him ahead and immediately really the steelers defense coughs it up then. Rudolph does it again. He takes the steelers down the field puts them back in the lead in the fourth quarter and at that point the the Pittsburgh steelers defense needs to win that game and take it home but they didn't Jimmy Jean Credit to the niners go down the field and then three zero and there's a lot of good reason for optimism in San Francisco but that stunned me that Pittsburgh in a cornered animal game with their season on their line could not find a way to take that game home they have shown the steelers have shown flashes his of dominance on defense this year for quarters at a time but as Greg has pointed out. It's only for quarters at the time in the second half of games. You're not stopping anybody and we'll from what I've seen. It's mostly the secondary. I I WANNA see how well Minka played. Supposedly he was making big plays today but they're still allowing too. Many big plays on their defense so I. I really want to see that but you're right. They have way too much town on this defense and this is an organization does not give up first round picks. They will not have a first round pick next year for the first time since one thousand nine hundred sixty eight while the pressures on you gotTA. Win Games or else that picks going to be in the top five or six. I think Devon Bush and Mark Barron who he talked about going into this game two fumble recoveries they struggled and cover just in terms of the PF square were were big time liability again Barron Barron's kind of killing them the story don't just looking at this from afar is at the forty niners do have a defense and I know they're playing Mason Rudolph struggling offense but the forty niners had the type of defense that would struggle against any offenses in right now. They've played three teams who aren't great on offense the bucks the Bengals in the steelers and you know what they've they've shut them down. They gave up two hundred and thirty nine yards today. They kept their team in it. Despite all the turnovers that is a big time change from a year ago and of course there are three and out right. It's why they're three known. It's why there's reason believe they can stick around in this thing they're neck and neck with the packers for the most improved defense in the League you're not getting last year's James Caan right now at this point now one thing I noticed and I know the steelers dealers and they've seen this in stretches where they haven't been dominant on defense this year they got eaten up by the niners ground game towards the end of this thing they were just running right up through the belly of Pittsburgh defense and that was starting to watch well. That's got to be because the offense couldn't control the clock at all right. Defense is out there the whole game and Connor had had the turning point in the game after the niners turned it over the fifth and final time on another fumble deep in steelers territory it looked like like they the Pittsburgh would have a chance to run out the clock or at least add on some insurance points and connor coughs it up which led to the the final score so you know lay on bell that guy held onto the ball and you mess him right now the steelers mills they missed the Antonio Brown Miss Smith Schuster going wean off. You know week after week. It's been the opposite I mean the Big Ben's absence. I think is going to put a cap on Smith Schuster sealing their. I mean their own three and that's it. They had add to win this game and they didn't win this game their offense look good at any point really this youth. They're pretty much done and that's it for that game. Let's keep moving this could be the ballgame hurts his back on fourth and fifteen books prompt once president comes from behind now he throws downfield incomplete complete. Sean Nelson ought to pass intended for J R whiteside and the lions will take opened on downs and this this thing is over baby three snaps we Oughta here nice doubt Dan Miller of lions radio and Eric although I must I don't WanNa correct Dan and but I will say that it wasn't so much of a great defensive play by the defensive back but he drop another killer drop when you watch it on replay Dan on Dan cried. Jj Data whiteside had the seventh most crushing of drops for the Eagles on Sunday he could not hold onto a beautifully beautifully thrown Carson Carson Wentz downfield past would've put the eagles first goal essentially at the one yard line in the final minute of the game instead it was dropped fourth-down game over twenty seven twenty four the lions beat the Eagles in Philly so I and I don't want to take anything away from the lions because they're undefeated. How about that they they gagged away week one in to die but then they found a way to beat the chargers team team that shot itself in the foot and the Eagles Kinda did the same thing in this game but there's there's something to be said for a team that finds a way to take advantage of other teams teams mistakes and that's what Matt Patricia team has done so far this year so that is my takeaway on the lions right now that I don't believe they are necessarily a good football team team and in my power rankings exercise I do weekly I got absolutely slaughtered bylines fans for putting three. NFC North Teams in the top ten and leaving the lines out of the conversation sation. I'm not going to have them zooming into the top ten this week either because I don't necessarily buy them but credit where credit's due go to Philly and beat and undermanned Eagles team well. You got the win and you deserve some day Ali. I don't know if a team in the League has gotten not lucky here but more fortunate to play in a chargers team last week in the eagles this week about as banged up as they both could be in the eagles just simply don't have enough people on on the field right now that said and I hear you dot sticking them in the top ten or anything anything I love teams more than anything in September and October that changed my longstanding perception of them now they have entirely done that yet the lions but they aren't boring getting away games they to me have been the most boring team in the NFL since I've worked here in over the past ten years and I'm not not saying they're lighting up America at this point but if you're Matt Patricia to be too Oh and one at this stage things could be a lowers yeah they lighting up America. Here's here's the thing though when you start off you know maybe not lighting the world on fire but you stack. Wednesday can get better to the lions could be a much better team in December especially defensively offensively than they are right now. I think they're a better team defense than they are. In terms of individuals stars are not really getting standout players in the one thing that stands out to me as a kind of like this Matthew Stafford better than a Jim Bob Cooter Matthew Stafford. This is the Matthew Stafford that using his big arm to throw down the field. That's being a little more aggressive can fired in there like ah we liked. We liked the cooter. It helped him out for a little while time in throws but after a while it's like you've got the biggest army in the league. Let's see and we've seen it in the last few weeks fix. This is a show show your face team to me that the lions so they were dominant for three quarters in the opener against the cardinals then gave up what twenty-seven points that's not good and the chargers the chargers are they're rolling and then two touchdowns get called back a fumble at the goal line that got the lines got a lot of breaks in that game thought of kicks in as mark pointed out the injuries to the opponent and then this week they play a really injured eagles team. I haven't seen this game yet but I really want the lines a are they going to be consistent consistently good or just taking advantage of a bad team that's the NF NFL and it's it's such a it's kind of boring point to make but there's not that much separating most of these teams the Broncos are not that far off from being two and one so many of these the chargers and Texans who will talk about later. All three of each of their games has come down to the last possession and it's just a couple little things sometimes. It's the same for the eagles you you know. The potential game winning catch falls to the ground last week. Same thing happens today. You now have a short week and have to go uh-huh play the packers in Green Bay on Thursday night and this is a team. I thought the Eagles we're GONNA start five or six or no and you're staring down one and three if you don't take care of business in a tough ask getting green bay. They're getting killed with the timing here because they are. They lost more players. Jason Peters came out of this game with illness. The offensive line was is missing multiple players the fact that they don't have Sean Jeffrey and to Sean Jackson is showing up with all these drops Carson Wentz. You love cars. I Love Carson Wentz and he played so great in this game he I loved how he played. Even though he was imperfect last week in the loss of the Falcons he deserved the much better fate in this game and L. Call tension. When you fire up your game pass not your condensed anymore markets now what forty four strokes game in forty which you know. It's a it's a wonderful product. I think it has given us some people a sense of liberty just to you know to do a Nice Chunky fifteen twenty seconds after the play ends I I like my editing on those games sparse and right down to the bone. I want those games to be about thirty one minutes. I got too much other stuff going on in my life to be spending forty plus minutes on on these games you I mean yes. There are other things I could be doing than watching. You know some of these. T. Trump's racial some of these teams why we're into watch lists territory like I'm GonNa Bounce on you. Sorry that reminds me how was hustlers. We didn't get the official review. Well now a solid solid. Give it a give it a solid B. minus yeah. That's not Oscar were they. Everyone's buzzing about J. Performance chance I like Jalen Hill Up Oscar yeah come on their multiple points in this game or the eagles had a chance and it seemed like they were going to just take over none more so than late in the game one fifty three to play the Eagles Block Matt Printers Forty six yard field goal. Try Scoop it up the eagles do run it back to the twenty two of the Lions Ryan's so and they're all set up an illegal block. Jenkins pushes it back to midfield. It was a questionable legal block. Check it out. West on condensed and forty a Darren sproles Dell's four th and five gets called back row P I and then of course our Fago whiteside blows so the eagles are in a tough way and the lions are undefeated undefeated as we will enter the last week of September who would have guessed it. I want to start an. NFL game where the wraps are not allowed to throw throw a single flag but the players don't know that the refs aren't allowed to throw it out midway through the second quarter liked us. Let's move on this will be a forty four a yard field goal for thirty four yard field goal to win the game for the Bob Pinon. The holder snap spot doc kicked on its way no way this the giants win their first game of the season Papa. WFAN with the Call Matt Gay Blewett Subas Pat's his chip shot field goal allowing the giants to escape what they thirty to thirty one win over the bucks terrible also the bucks great comeback for the giants giants and the Star and the story of this game. is Danny dies. The rookie quarterback threw for three thirty six and two touchdowns also ran for two touchdowns downs including the go ahead score with one sixteen to play giants came back from eighteen down in this game west We've been waiting to see the Danny dines play in games a matter well. We got it today. I thought he was impressive. From the opening drive through out. There was a bit of a law. probably late second quarter where the giants weren't doing much. The Bucks went ahead twenty eight to ten at halftime and then Evan Ingram seventy any five yard touchdown on the first play of the second half Daniel Jones is another forty six yard bomb. I believe on the next series that sets up another touchdown and before you know it twenty eight twenty five game and this came down to the end Daniel Jones on that game go ahead. Dr Just marching down the field was decisive decisive confident knew what to do and then you know the the prairie land opened up on that touchdown run. I believe he's the first giants quarterback ever with two rushing. Td's in two passing TD's in a game he also led them to their biggest comeback since nineteen seventy wow he's now wanna know and trailing by eighteen or more points Z. Lie Manning this is not a knock on Eli but oh and forty four and those games just how hard it is to come back from eighteen down. We now take your victory lap west. It's this is a nice world that we live in now where wes has some palpable excitement about the New York giants. I've never experienced this at all. I I would compare it to this when I was. I was going through chemotherapy and I couldn't hold anything down. There was one night where I was getting brave and I was like Kisha Sleeping. I'M GONNA go try out some peanut butter crackers like that's the best thing I've eaten in four months. I went to eat the peanut butter crackers and they were stale eating soft plaster. That's what ally hi manning watching has been for three or four years eating stale crackers every single week this time the crackers crunch run right. You're going to say that that you ate them and then you threw them up and that was like watching Eli manning dislike if someday stale every single time I'm you know what it's going to be. You see the like the suddenly the giants have a quarterback who's not athletically limited to and they kept mentioning what he can do that can't and we all know that he lies. It's an iron man and someone that if you're a giants fan you love Eli Manning the history of the guy but they've needed this for so long and Sequoia Barclay was lost in this game came to an ankle injury. I don't ankle spraying and I mean they. They thrived even without him. I thought that simply would not have happened a week ago. Go Watch that giant giants spills game and look how limited that attack was. They thrashed without Saquon Barkley in Daniel. Jones succeeded despite Shaq Barrett like launching an all without campaign on defensive player of the year. This guy has eight sacks in three games. What three sex last week I was defensive player of the week. They gotta give it to him again this week. 'cause we have four in connect game. Two forced fumbles and I think if that's the one thing giants fans probably a little bit actually they don't even care because they're riding high right now but the the one thing people worried about in the preseason the ball security for Daniel Jones and one of the one of the fumbles was definitely on him being to cash in the pocket they had to the other one was Shaq Barrett just Jack Barrett it doesn't get any brutal of loss for the buccaneers in this to lose a twenty eight to ten lead is bad enough but then to lose it and then to watch Jameis Winston throw a fifty five yard down the field puts you inside the ten yard line and you think you want it again and then to lose it. That's like losing twice that as Brian. This is the crazy thing. Arians takes a five yard delay of game penalty to back up his kicker. Who ahead missed the extra points earlier met? Gay and here was his explanation why he did that prior to the game ending Miss Bruce what happened at the end there. Would you got the five yard penalty delay what happened there. I just took it on purpose purpose. Yeah I wanted to feel. He's better better back. NFL goes easier backfire. No sense hurry. We WanNA move the ball. Put it in the middle and make it easy field Mac. Get Out of the building you you cannot miss that kick. It and everyone listens pockets. I'm always team kicker and I defend these guys and I don't think kickers get enough have credit how hard their job is but sometimes you just gotTa make the kick because so many people are affected by you on that Miss Bruce Arians on the sideline Jameis his Winston on the silent it totally changes the course of their season potentially because you can't hit a thirty four yard and if you're a coach thinks that he needs to do things like take penalties to make you more comfortable. You're not the guy you shouldn't be the kicker in the first place. I'd like to see the data on five yards further back being and easier kick. I Yeah I know because he did make for kicks in that game. I the thing is bruce. Arians is a savvy guy and I appreciate in general his brutal honesty when asked all sorts typical softball type questions but when you say this and we're all here mystified by the strategy to create a longer attempt for your kicker who who is not exactly you know Martin Gramatica Times one thousand if that was even good picker nearly wasn't great if you multiply them by one thousand it'd be great our lick thousand. I mean why put those words out there for us to dissect and everyone to dissect all week long long after a totally brutal painful loss is that honestly what areas was thinking by taking that penalty issued bed with him. He's going to tell you what's on his mind and what I'm a good example of what I'm saying like on this very show Thursday market think it was you is saying is this what Bruce Arians came back for the hope that Todd Bowles Balls is defense is GonNa take you well. Here's a game where Winston throw ser three hundred eighty yards and three touchdowns and connects with Mike Evans on this huge clutch play that should have set the season on a different course in the kick after a great win over the panthers. That's completely lost. That feels like a thousand dollars. At this point. This will get lost in the Daniel Jones Hoopla but you will not. Let's see a more lopsided receiver versus cornerback matchup probably all year then Mike Evans just taking the soul of Jack Rabbit Jenkins over over and over and over again throughout this game. It was like Craigie low trying to guard Michael Jordan yeah. Maybe no more talking Jackrabbit all right before we move hold on. I gotta here that. Oh Yeah that bucks call the Matt Gay Ms. Let's hear it it comes down to a rookie kicker wearing green and yellow shoes gene Denver off the Hash deserve better from the twenty four thirty four yard field goal the spot down tick airborne. It's long enough long enough. It is it is giants win by one thirty two thirty one what a probe decorative suspicious of those shoes to begin with all right. Let's check in with the New Orleans. Saints snap is back in the kick is away a high punt but short. Harris appealed it at the forty eight makes two MRIs off to the races the forty two thirty five thirty the Harris on the field and the saints sprite skype. I on special teams out. They harass took the punt back fifty three yards to the house. The first punt return for touch that all year Mark Weird Teddy Bridgewater threw two touchdown passes in his first start place of drew brees. The Saints beat the seahawks Thirty three to twenty twenty seven in a game that really wasn't that close Greg. This was a game that The saints showed up bald out Seattle Seattle got a late touchdown but good start all around for the saints a very strange game where the seahawks dominated in the first half but it was kind of an everything that can dan go wrong did go wrong for the seahawks. Give the punt return touchdown. They have the fumble return touchdown on a Chris Carson fumble that goes back so the saints put up fourteen points joints without doing anything on offense their punters having a great game you know pinning the seahawks way back. Russell Wilson's fourteen fifteen for one hundred fifty yards and a touchdown and they're down twenty seven to seven at the time so on one hand yeah. It's about a lot of bad luck on the other hand. When the saints came out after halftime that was their best stretch of the game offensively and defensively they put the game away and for all the talk of running backs. You know don't make that big of a difference I mean it was a huge difference in this game. Chris Karmin Carson slipped and fell three different times in the first half any lost a fumble return for a touchdown meanwhile Alvin Kamara. I asked on the Thursday so let's see an MVP type performance in this. This is exactly actly that I think he had a one hundred sixty one yards from scrimmage the rest of the team had one hundred four and so many of those were in the passing game breaking tackles after he was hit very hard including by Judean cloudy when you can run through your something special a huge win for the saints I realized the game is not as close closes the score but there was a sequence at the end of the first half where the SEAHAWKS had about thirty three seconds to play with and decided not to take time out as they were aiming to score. I believe and will Wilson hit. Tk Metcalf on a fifty four yard or that would put them in position for at least a field goal if not more and time just ran out because PK one of the smartest coaches we've ever watched coach. Football did not take time out at Tony Romo was killing him. I thought he was right to yeah Ed to timeout. It was a rough day for P. Got Hit in the field my football before the game stitches. It left a pretty big mark on his nose. They went for it on fourth down three different times so credit to him for being aggressive but the saints run Defense and we've talked about their defense stepped up in all those scenarios and and then they stopped up past that I believe Russell Wilson audible into with another one so that was three other times that they were stopped on fourth down and the kind of like a resourceful win that you liked like to see if out of a good organization on the road when you really need it. That's the I was going to say you know. Greg made the point Thursday that this is the kind of challenge that Sean Payton really loves and he digs his teeth into and that's great. They won the game because they played as a team and special teams really matter but to me. I'm looking back to the end of last year. You're still their offense doesn't work unless Alvin Kamara is taking over the game and being the best player on the field. Do you feel greg any better about their offense pence after today. No they didn't have a play over twenty yards teddy bridgewater who went one thousand nine hundred thousand seven hundred seventy seven two didn't. I don't know if he threw pass over ten yards. I don't remember it like I mean there. There was some catching runs. He didn't really need to that. They had five offensive penalties as in the first half that were not on him so it certainly wasn't on him that that they struggled throughout that first half but he looked like the same guy that we've seen the last couple of games. It's it's still early and that was only that was really his first real star and there is almost no taste. There was less tastes them hill than usual wondered about that. I was at too strong peyton probably thumbing his nose people but like I got to keep them healthy that was the first bridgewater start and he's going to have several more because he drew brees just had surgery of course but I wonder if we're starting to get an idea of teddy bridgewater experience. Whereas ceiling is that he's not going to be a dynamic guys? Hold the Fort Guy all the way because it doesn't seem like he's a dynamic type player. He's only got to start. Let's say six games you just one one on the road in Seattle if he can win three if they can win three three of those documents well skip back to all he's done right and it's his teammates that really stepped up for him. His defense making huge plays in command and I want to go watch it but I thought the concern last last week was that when bridgewater was on the field camara dried up entirely the whole offense lost any sort of dynamic traits and not the case today although as much as much the crazy thing is they had I think one of the bottom five yardage games and Sean Payton's career last week and they had less yardage. It was different the different team it was a it was a crazy. Maybe what I just said sounds completely around. I'm I don't count them out of any game. I just think they'll find ways to be competitive and I think a lot of people myself included. Who Said Oh. They're you know they're gonNA be Kinda. Just another team until breeze comes back in the south is wide open. Even this was a nice Little Sean Payton game. I got the bucks shooting themselves in Matt Gays. Foot extremely rare to PK. I'll never lost a September home game fifteen know until today what would it be. Matt Gaetz shooting the bucket but someone's foot was damaged. This was also the the first to score loss in the Russell Wilson era at home wow but he just did you stuck it out by any such as the bengals almost beat. SEATTLE seahawks Hawks Seattle had been fifteen in our home in September since two thousand ten. Did you say that did but I wanted to repeat. It's a fun little departments and credit at that's move. Dan Did that himself. He came up with that study. I've been tracking everyone there. September home games since I started this company highs in the game. Take a screen to him. Rosetto white over the girls had been fifteen since ever pass still zone sally nothing with a minute twenty five to go in the first quarter Matt Taylor Colts Radio Network with a call Jacoby percent completed needed express sixteen passes through two touchdowns in the first half including that connection to Zachary Paschal leading the calls to a twenty seven twenty four win over the Falcons Gins at L. O. S. Lucas allstate. Well Done Jake brisket lead four straight. Scoring drives didn't have a turnover closed out the game with a big completion to Jack Doyle. It's good to have some quarterback depth Greg Roosevelt. That's right. It's good to have a coach that doesn't coach scared Andy Reid and his a former disciple or not as Frank Reich. I guess it's sort of they're in the same coaching. Both called third-down passes where they could've called runs with under two minutes. It's left in the fourth quarters of their games which would have given the golf ball back to the other team and forced them to go the whole length of what they did. They called passes. They trusted in the play call and Jack. Doyle got the big first down T. Y. Hilton left at halftime. Jacoby got the ball at the end of the third quarter beginning of the fourth. He needed to score both times. Keep the ball times. He had the ball because the colts defense wasn't stopping anyone. The Falcons scored touchdowns in every second possession and you know what Jake brisket dozen the fourth quarter he scores touchdowns and he delivers clutch drive every week three three. He's a pretty good quarterback. It's not a star. He's not really even the the key to this esteem that he's he's part of. What I think is kind of team. That's coalescing pretty well. You know what it is. He's better than to hold the Fort Guy Yes. He's like right around the outline right or even maybe on on the right side of it. I think his contract extension. They gave him tells you he's better than a hold. The Fort Guy hold the Ford guys get like five to seven million a year. He got fifteen. I mean when he when we last got in our sample size with with the colts it was when their offensive line was not what it is now and it's in a better environment than it was before that for some reason the cult's Kinda and remind me of the Eagles a little bit where you know they're going to get banged up and lose players but the ship doesn't entirely sync because they're well coached front office is extremely sound and they've added added depth this team. This team had no depth under the previous front office. They have it all over the place now. They've got infrastructure when these teams play though I mean it's one sided. There's no no more there's no rivalry in the history of the NFL more one sided than Colts Falcons. I mean Falcons fans. Don't even show up. Don't even watch the game when you play the 'cause people been talking about the Colts Falcons rivalry for decades. Finit seen wins two losses. It doesn't get more one side and then that Atlanta fixed what you're doing that that's out like once every four years so that's one of the most random that Ryan twenty nine of thirty four three zero four three touchdowns one interception passer rating of one twenty-one that that all looks great but I mean I just feel like it's the same thing now. It was a strange game. Does it only got six possessions. I'm going to ask Dick and if that's a record there was one one play kneel down at the end of the first half they would if you're not counting that the only at six possessions and he threw a red zone ended up in one of them other than that and I'm tracking this day great on offense. I mean they scored because Devante Freeman ran well. I can't really Matt Ryan. They Lost Neil. They're strong safety safety for the second straight year Achilles tear. It looks like he's out for the year and I don't like the energy around this Falcons Operation Right. Now there is there. Is something going on here right. I'm with you. I think that's where Dan Quinn's. Defence needs to make a stop at the end of the game has often putting up touchdown after touchdown and they're giving up drives is Zack Paschal and Marlin Mac and Mo- Alley Cox. Those are the three guys or let's check in mark. The browns just fell behind so far have been a total pro. Oh throughout the broadcast. Does it change now. No I'll continue to operate as an absolute Perot and show emotional but studio. That's now up to ninety eight degrees. That's much higher on my list without Nicholas. Shea does I'll ask the question of the listeners are are wondering did you go to hustlers alone alone or the did simone come or no this was on our our. Friday is typically our day to do what we do and I went to see it on my own because I didn't think that awesome movie that Simone was going to be opening into opening day hustlers opening day. You're saying like going to the movies or I don't like hearing other people eat in the movie theater so I'll typically go to like eleven. AM Show in sit way up front not near any other human because when I can hear someone eating popcorn during a movie I cannot concentrate it. All it throws me completely out of my element interested. Let's move to New Zealand lap. Dataman slot. Let Dig Solo the ride on first down play action cousins who played out to the left plants the put brightman their hurry five yard touchdown cousins Adam feeling six zero Minnesota Paul Allen. Oh He's one of the Zero Troopers Jonty Matt Money Smith but I do the power rankings show. NFL Dot Com he always say zero never says six nothing. It's always zero and it stops me in my tracks. Every time bupkus so kirk cousins bounce back from his woeful performance last week in Green Bay playing turnover free football threw that touchdown pass that was his only touchdown pass of the day an easy thirty four fourteen win in over the raiders Dalvand Cook over one hundred yards for the third straight week the Vikings two and one now West a home game against the silver and black just what the doctor ordered yeah we sort of referred to this on Thursday as the recipe for Kirk cousins success. home game check now inferior opponent check. They'll not a nationally televised game. Nobody's wash three for three Mike. This has seemed like the same. DNA from the season opener against the Falcons where the vikings jump out to an early lead run the ball down their opponents throat in don't rely too much on Kirk cousins Dalvand Cook once again the focal point of this team and if there was an all pro list for September he would be the running back on it. You can do that assignment. You're doing happy to talk about it on. The pocket argued at halftime at halftime through eight weeks. It's amazing West. You've been assigned to it Monday nine. Am when they give Alexander Madison the ball they look pretty good running the ball to they're just they're a great running team when you can bring him in as a bad very close to three and if they get three zero excuse me if they could execute against green bay better. I think the Vikings are okay but I don't know if it'd be zero in the context of a renter. I don't know it makes that whole thing but west you so nailed it with the Kirk cousins thing. If those things lineup he will never lose a game. He never has lost the game and he never will the problem is the way sports and the NFL are are set up. Is that the deeper you go to the season you lose those elements. SORTA like slightly better than Andy Right. I think that's where he's always. He's been and you've made a good point the other day where there's the people who are anti cousins rex pointing at me and West sorry that you know people crow when he has a bad game and then the defenders start crowing when he has a good game. I think he has been in that same area. The whole time about quarterback eleven through thirteen depends on the what other quarterbacks are around now. There's more good young players will ask them. That's the Sui is that's where you're right but I I heard you know all the write ups and stuff that this was a good kirk cousins performance reason for encouragement and he threw for one hundred seventy four yards. Dan You want to need him and that's this is Mike Zimmer fever dream where you're just gonNA run the ball two hundred times times and but that like we're talking about situations where cousins is going to be put into one of those games where all those boxes aren't checked before the kick-off happens that the same thing with Mike Zimmer wanting to run the ball thirty times and do nothing through the air good luck. You'RE GONNA win a couple games that way especially at home when you play as well as you do in that situation but that's not how you get through a season in two thousand nineteen. I I'd be concerned. I want to give our listener mighty Gazelle credit for phrasing the kirk cousins recap from Thursday so well Wilda. I one question about the do you see any scenario where like the Guy Nice person where. Derek cars the quarterback for this raiders team next September. This experience feels like it's going south. He's a house right next door to heck absolutely I do not. I don't. I'm I'm disappointed that the raiders couldn't be competitive in that their defense just because that means if we're watching a a season worth of them not being competitive. That's just making my are or Sunday's worse. Volunteers perfect got injured today after he tried to punch somebody after the play. I don't think the officials saw the attempted punch with the League will yeah. He might get a fedex envelope but he's he's got his own deposit box for Fedex right outside his door. I feel like I've been told that. Volunteers perfect has been injured about forty seven times in the first three weeks of the season. They just like built a Fedex Kinkos next to his house to save the time I think he just moved next door to the fine police. Let's move Ivax Armagh offset to the right tight lines split Olsen in the backfield the block from McCaffrey right up the middle run free could thirty five to forty Scott Potential McCaffrey thirty twenty. He will store score ten five a lightning Bolt Christian McCaffrey Mixing Panthers Radio Network Christian McCaffrey ripped off a seventy six yard touchdown run kyle throws four touchdowns in his first start place of the injured Cam Newton Panthers Cruise Thirty Eight Twenty over the cardinals in Glendale mark this was the best case scenario for Carolina who just wanted to survive without their injured former MVP instead they thrived with Alan. What an encouraging performance on a they were. We got a couple of quarterbacks in their first starts changing the way we feel about certain teams. I love the Kyle Allen came out. He was aggressive from the start. He sent you look you could tell right away that he was just feeling good. He was in the zone. He was kind of laughing on the sideline didn't have that sort of nervous energy that you might expect from someone and I know he played well in week seventeen last year but that I just wanted to see here you know on the road. How does he come out and do it and they had more life and energy to they're passing game than they have all year and he was hitting throws the Cam. Newton was not hitting in the past couple of weeks and that it's funny that they Christian McCaffrey that was one of those touchdown that was not because of Kyle Alan but he made two or three throws in this game that we're total money sauces and I I I enjoyed watching them and I don't think you can count them him out because he's a quarterback on any level. At this point. I mean you gotta go out and do it a couple of weeks in a row but there was something nothing about his game that seemed like crippling limited minute to me at all. It was the opposite. It sounds like it was so impressive that not only will you not rush Cam Newton back but you will make sure one hundred percent when he comes back. I think because you know what we don't know with this team is there's no reason in general to rush. Cam Newton back after all the stuff he's been through the last couple of years. I would wait the perfect scenario. The way today played out. They have have that ability now to be patient. They were this was classic Cornel Corner Animal Accident Rating. They save their season the OEM three panthers team would have a lot of whispers about where the coach is going to be the next year whether Cam Newton's evening to be on this team next year all that stuff and you put all that off for another week or two. I'm a little little confused Dan. There's a caged animal in a corner dog or those two different kinds of games. You can put whatever animal you want. I Love Dogs. Don't even like the image of the matching the dog but cornered animal or caged animal works Gotcha Yeah. This is a step back to it. Sounds is like for for cuyler Murray two hundred forty eight yards of offense from the cardinals in seventy three plays so they ran a ton of plays and didn't move the ball at all well and I don we should mention Dante Jackson had to spectacular interceptions in this game and it was some of the first action where I watched column early who wouldn't say was confused out on on the field but he threw a terrible balls and Carolina turned two of those into those interceptions he's not tearing the League up that was kind of the although although it would have been a surprise to because it doesn't happen often there was that hype around Murray that he would come in and Kingsbury would come in and they'd be you know ripping people up. That's not happening right now. So now the cardinals have to do a b what they weren't last year which is patient. They let this develop as a partnership because it looks like like like Greg said four point zero yards per attempt on forty three passes this is this is a defense weak side. Gabar either the from week one on. It's actually a little bit better for Arizona than we expected. This was what we expected all right. Let's move on chargers at the Houston. Thirty four Rivers Shotgun Life Gun rivers drop firing downfield and tipped and almost intercepted. I think Texans are GONNA win. They will beat the the chargers today Marc Vandermeer of the Texas Radio Network. I Love Gigi to get dot got the they get the Texas stopped the chargers their last gasp attempt to tie the Game Shawn Watson threw for three fifty one through three touchdown passes and Jj Watt theory is heating up to the five sacks Texans Twenty seven to twenty win over the chargers who who watches game. I did Greg Rosenthal Shawn Watson. Every game does athletic things and once again he he was on fire. It's the Dow of the Sean. You all right. Let's let this brief all right. The Dow the show yeah you have to be comfortable fertile and the chaos you are going to invite pass rushers uninvite hits. That's just his style and all the things you like about the Shawn Watson Jason are because of that and be in this game especially he held onto the ball pretty long because as offensive line played better and that the game winning touchdown in the comeback were from those second level plays where he just does something he he can be comfortable with that and I think the fans have to be comfortable with that too with him getting hit more in taking sex because that's where he makes his magic. He's one Mayo Bina. I'm on Dan Side of the Texans Ledger. Disown Watson has won me over. He's just so exciting. These two teams wes. I have a hard time getting a feel for right now. Both of these teams have played to the buzzer basically basically in all three of their games so they could each three each be oh and three but I think there are some things about the Texans that we can say Whitney Mercilus another big game. Dj Reader has made the LEAP EP was a big difference maker today and the offense of I think has a chance to get better at certainly was better today and I think that's that's a big switches. How about tonsils he. How did he looked at the Bosa and Melvin Ingram who have been relatively quiet this year. Were relatively quiet once again you joining the Texans bandwagon well. I'm not there yet. I'm Jus- This is here to enjoy the shine Watson. I'm that I'm going to bring me out. Your corner type them from the beginning. The titans lost me and may have lost me forever. That's good. That's also positive and you know what I'm GonNa do as a favourite you you're in this. Devon Sawa final destination roller coaster ride ride with the Denver broncos. Nobody knows what that means off the right now. Thank you for that. That's your off very magnanimous of you but I I can't let myself out of the penalty box yet. I haven't suffered enough. That's awesome that you're definitely raised Catholic by the way there's definitely forty-seven people who get that. Devon Sawa reference I I mean a few people do seven fifty underrated movie all right. Let's let's head to Sunday night. Football down and goal from the five. This is week parade. Mayfield plus from the pocket rolling right throws to the end zone. It is taken taken away on the final snap for the browns offense. It's John Johnson with a diving pickety and zone and the rams are gonNA come all at three and Westchester Finest J. B. Long of the Rams Radio Network with the call the John Johnson the third with the interception in the end zone on fourth and goal the browns go four and out with four shots to potentially tie the game and that was it the Los Angeles Rams Twenty to thirteen victor is in Cleveland and Sunday night football. They improved to three and now the brownies. Tony's fall to one and two mark sesser should start with you on this one. we're going to get to the rams in a moment but you had trepidation around this game all week. You've had trepidation around the browns since their week one clunker against Tennessee. I imagine you don't feel any better right now. Writer's block. That's sort of how this is team feels to me right now. When you're trying to produce something and you can't get in that flow and you can't get out of your own way or relationships stuck in neutral where the just there's something gene about this team offense especially because I thought they played a lights out game on defense considering how banged up their secondary is this has been the whole season and I am concerned like at the core about a line that has not protected Baker Mayfield well but even when they are it feels like Baker Mayfield has almost been zapped by the early season experience a plane behind this line and it's it's hard to watch because last year a team team playing with house money down the stretch felt so loose on offense that you felt like they could do anything I wanted them to go play the best teams they could and challenge those teams with with what they had with Freddie Kitchens and Baker Mayfield and even Prio del Beckham just the rest of their weapons and they are banged up but I don't really point to any of that as what's what's going on here. I think they just it's I. I'm at a loss for words to some degree because yes. I don't think it's a surprise to see how they performed on offense tonight. It's been in happening all year. I don't know the way out I don't I like your analogies and you might also say kind of like a kicker compensating for his last two misses where it stilted jilted and it feels like they're thinking about it. Think hesitant in pressure situations and Baker Mayfield not trusting his offensive line and as Greg said we're watching watching the game. He's actually scrambling into pressure not away from pressure that I mean the last play. The game was emblematic that not that they did a good job project protecting him just is that the game ended with him rolling back to his right and just throwing it up because a lot the he's county non improvising some plays in some of the players that were there you you can nitpick but it sure looked like Jarvis. Landry was basically wide open on third down slant. He goes to another he goes to the tight end on that play instead of just those little decisions at some point. You have to trust you. Write that for now. This is what this team is. The Rams are very similar. They've kind of looked the same each week where their offensive line isn't playing as well but that they get it going in the second. Half of the defense has been playing really well and that's different three now and one and two the browns offensive line continues to be an issue Aaron Donald Clay Matthews the whole front seven was getting after Mayfield who like we said didn't handle that well either and the play recalling is definitely something going to hear a lot about in the hours and days ahead around the browns. Most famously in this game are infamously. I should say was the fourth quarter four thousand nine near midfield draw call that got snuffed out after about a five or six yard gain everyone confused there is twitter was a buzz afterwards ESPN's tracking data that's the first four thousand nine running play that they've tracked in twenty years at just a head scratcher and after the game Freddie Kitchens he took ownership of it but also said it was the play he wanted had to call so you figure out that and then again they get the big interception Cleveland of Jared Goff who throws high in a pick and Baker Mayfield despite right not looking comfortable does get them down inside the ten after some completions and it also a roughing the passer call Aaron Donald and then on those four straight plays plays for passes. Odell Beckham not targeted once he was brought here west to be missing final piece guy in that offense and he had that one big play against the jets that's last week but in general this offense has not been able to take flight. I think football is so much more complicated than everybody. Sitting at home wants to admit it is but sometimes when you have the best athlete on the field used to have to take a chance and throw it up in in his direction and let them make a play when nothing else is going right. I mean if you look look at the jets game. Everyone wanted to stream the highlights of Odell Beckham with the eighty nine yard touchdown but they were struggling to get him open and make him productive in that game too despite the final score the final line for him. I really think the rams defense is doing a lot of the carry on this team and they are much better than last year. Clay Matthews at these already has more sex than he had last year. Dante Fowler has been a regular behind the line of scrimmage mark pointed out during the Game Cory Littleton has been one of the best linebackers in the NFL this year uh-huh adds a lot. Taylor rap is a hit as a second round pick they they are a better. I think Marcus Peters and to keep to Lieber playing better and to Cleveland's credit on defense. They entered this this game missing all four of their starting defensive backs and they put up a real good fight. I mean that rams warmed up as things went along. They actually ended up with two one hundred yard. Receivers is in Brandin cooks and Cooper Cup who had a huge game two touchdowns over one hundred yards but the rams had what three points at halftime that that is a pretty incredible credible to me if you would've told me that after everything we heard about the injury issues that they would get the job done going into the second half and the offense just not able to figure it out that's to me. One of the biggest stories of the young season right. Now is how disappointing the browns have been on offense I mean and it's the the problem album is because it's you know the pressure's. GonNa get amped up. They are days away from having to go deal with the Ravens who are far superior team playing in sync right now now and total respect to the rams because in the early year that they've been here there are three and they'd knocked off Carolina on the road. That was a tough game. It's not that was not an easy. Ask in go and do it tonight. I mean that's the rams have to be respected. Entirely well. Freddie Kitchens is getting a lot of grief about being in over. There's head and I feel like that's maybe projecting what he looks like they have made some curious decisions experience and lack of experience that said good coach eight has about adjusting your three games into the season. What's not it's obvious it's not working right now. He needs to figure out how to adjust whatever where he came into the season planning to do and it's a new experience for him because yeah he was he was the guy calling the plays at the end of last year but he wasn't the head coach at the end of last year that is a big difference and the the guy who's not calling the plays was one of the best players in the NFL last year and he was the guy dialing up fits magic early lists season Todd Moncton mark. It's not all bad you locked up. Grammy's yeah part of the family. I'm sure the city of Cleveland feel great about that all right. I just have a couple questions well. So how long have you lived in Cleveland in your life like Total Revenue Times. Have you ever spent there. Even I mean I've I've been there a number of times but never walk around saying look at me. Cleveland read I'm just saying how many years have you now lived in. La I've been lived in La for fifteen years. I've randomly. Maybe they're calling you home there. No traction applications locations you. They locked it up for you. Today was your official entry into the Ramle. I mean I feel passionate around that. You're a big movie guy at all sort of makes sense yeah yeah but that's nothing to do with your your big. Tinseltown Guy hustlers nothing to do with the rams. I mean Nice try Hollywood's team Nice. Try All right mark well. You're a good good sport and you did not go crazy in the studio and you were hyper professional and on behalf of the entire crew both in front of and behind the glass we thank you. I'm not surprised prized that I acted like a pro. It's good all right. We'll be back. We'll be back on Tuesday. with our Monday night football recap and then we start spinning looking ahead to guess what guys week four the trainers out the station and its role in can almost smell. London just a couple of weeks yawns left there are absolute agent and the heroes are going to London and a couple of weeks. I can't wait for that and we'll have more information on that trip but that will come down the line all right ricky. Let's get at your happy Antonio Brown's with the anymore. I'm so thrilled that had the mailman the old bus rookie holly-hollywood ah Ryan let everybody else till Tuesday yeah yeah.

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they would have just i mean might as well told no getting a viper now they were like i just love that it looks the biz race teams can do and pratt and miller i don't if you you know you you know a lot about them but when the US government the military were having a problem with a satellite on reentry they go to pratt and miller rocky he will keep winning all the sequels until i guess did rookie die in the i don't know you should hoping they co MGM but they the one thing that we will never get to test is what pratt and miller do see eight is the second most bad ass thing bill burr linda's other than the foss boats boats created the psycho death boats that go like one hundred fifty miles an hour and he does all the props it's amazing what our minds retain the most important information full you'll just like lots and charter actually i'm on this is i and say well you know i mean your fate this and that and the other and she just goes will i mean who the fools i mean i i mean if they will fooled why she except for the seven twenty well because it's double wishbone with mag ride well you know what to like yeah i mean they certainly know how to do their electromagnetics mentioned did you see for the fiero on thirty inch tires so check your inbox but as as great predicts pretty accurately which obviously including GPS on the track and also taps into the for that damping develop john he's really he's really got a racing driver facing that he's he's rowdy burns thing doesn't all the other manufacturers and does that a standard now standard in all costs and i think i would assume they sell that as a safety feature to streetcar these the review review on vacation today did you see that someone broke the embargo and then everyone like fluctuated the reviews at the time it's a steak he got to drive he can tell you about it but he drove the ford GT they invited journalists eight jealous you went on that list matt no me up behind you you've three cause and it's a reversal to raid out that identifies the call which side based on an algorithm is likely to pass it's closing well you see one prototype coming up and you'll so committed in GT you wouldn't know whether you whether it's two or three prototypes which chance your approach to it right they'll tell you they're they're they're trying to i don't think that i think they take a little bit of wet race in the old ford GT and it was such a terrible race i have to have like an international license or something and so of course there were more euros the US ones that can do it and he drove it he was fosters obviously are they never did any anything but it was very pretty cool he goes into a long line of very pretty cold dr the causes behind so now what pratt and miller is so confident about what they do they allow that technology to be bought by everybody else so so they licensed licenses l. by date and they still win races with so and but told me kendall you know my cousin the torch show he's gonna be on the show next week is it it's what a rica did to viper back when people were saying i was racing and people go up he says shit they were like you have another race card and you know what they're the ones that pratt and miller when you look inside the covert or the ford or BMW they have a screen on the dashboard the at night it's very hot multi-clause racing to know who's flew through like daily i mean there are drivers with a tenth of his ability one hundred success to come program that guidance system it down they have government contracts that that we beyond anything to do racing and you know they they they they're so advanced so what they do they they flogged the old see seven for the way three two years over scrape swansong for this seven or two right there was sitting right there so the person out gates was rick allen of racing yeah actually alex zanardi is the rick y- he came he at data it's just if you want he was there in the heat of the moment he's just another driver it doesn't matter i mean besides the respect and you know the fact he's technically handicapped it doesn't matter right well he just won another gold at the paralympics do you see the driver inside the car you to see a co you're racing car or you do definitely evatt you sometimes you know someone i mean i don't say like a monkey but like a monkey because he's so strong legs that's an appropriate description it was it was crazy yeah she's hanging from the real quick so crazy shit's cost so driving lhamo because the problem is imagine going down the back straight at lemoyne tee we'll go to indianapolis something into the puskas better but he's sending kendall tommy kendall i mean yeah us tell me again yeah pasta so funny we sit there and we did attorney racing for BMW and we had him booked come on it was a first weekend of the torch and so he's put to come on and he overheard us on the on the who to to even turn up sometimes him who's just ready to go and for anyone involved did you see that video on youtube when he did the driver change pins that way we got championship after i think it was it was that i don't think he's still raised the viper no you still he's so in that situation you're you're racing against somebody like alix given you know his limited abilities but not really i mean do you massive crash i mean a long time ago cut his career short he has a noticeable limp because what he does considering he has to use a guest the konkan the car you just these legs a little bit of a little it would've been a good idea but the trouble is is that if you're if you're the seat fell for tommy kendall you've got to be on your game amazing actually and he can you know this or you can video but you can see the amount of angle that he can actually move his right leg softer told me how to is the only sport imagine it i used to like golf i hate it now but i used to like gulf imagine if money could buy onto really great overtaking so when they come up behind you like shit they're gonna go by it's just a psychological thing he always takes a while you know he'll back out if i block in one because you get to know everyone you race games every weekend but the uncertain factor of you know another someone that's just license so something you know over a speaker's going in tamasha we're going to have you know addicts and he width turns suddenly in his little his specially designed superhuman wheelchair headlight this this is my music gas pedal with his knees ankle no one one nine nine trans not often on strategy the top teams will put the same that top guys out against you guys got it kinda relay race you're single car single seater racing transactional and will challenge anything where it's manono oh man or woman it it's really much easier the in person to show that actually they i was hoping he wasn't going to like sending secret text to to you know get nasty saying listen that toll the vaunted your feet and then he'd come on his knuckles after you i've never seen anyone tries but when you're in a big race though do you that's that's part of the mental game of racing it's like you know they can we'll hit the bullets but you you know within reason so you do evaluate people like that and which is the trouble racing after fucking crazy i didn't realize that he had to actually do that really gave that much thought we gotta remember to ask him he won't come up it's gonna be exhausting he's the the hulu he he gets in a video who made i think it was nothing can i tell you was going in and out of the car like yeah like so you want to get to shows instead of that so that's they show so tommy obviously but there's a difference between bill oberlin all broken angie body language body language and the caused do have that kind of personality ooh verstappen fast yeah to overcome the lack of money and otherwise it's just a hard because you can't tell your kid at the beginning late daytona you've got like five drivers in a car so the car throughout the race but you don't you don't or do you actually know who's in a d come up and they they look at you and you always try and let you are like we are trying to get the young generation engaged in what we do this whole conversation but with racing and then of course it goes out of sequence and then you can tell festival you can see the you can just tell someone slows in the car one of the gentlemen drivers or something and some of them are super fos of millions of ASC verified fixes then fix the problem yourself or had to the garage armed with knowledge either way your in control plus one future he's won some championships i said you know anyone rich you know and this and i said well you better be like reichen and fast thanks how did that happen own nope we do this in racing racing i will say to the young kids who the you're in former one if you if you make the cut i just think it's that very very difficult thing in our sport where the payout at the top actually doesn't equally invest allan mcnish and now we can't even say but they got a lot of you know a lot of people into the sport but look red bull if you become a ripple athlete month's shrew small fortune racing yeah who was who came on the show zach not long ago scott pru scott pruitt so my company and and i'm i'm here and he's like the guy we looking you yeah that's okay i shoot ninety it's fine you go off kill a couple of sepals wants to be a lewis hamilton or jeff gordon or whoever and they come up and then the happened this weekend and kid comes up his dad's and he says i'm going to be really good at cutting don't have it kind of assam do some imagine that's that's where in the old days marlboro camel they want us you know make a hacking them with melva straight from the beginning the so you're there and you know they're whatever pebble beach and you're like hey yeah i'm i'm you know i it came on the show and he said he was like look closely there's probably like a hundred paid total so like in higher earlier you know you might be a good driver if we had a four then even if you are reichen intercept fast don't you to be able to to find that money yeah so he'd kick your frigging the the only thing you better hope his if he's pissed at you that he can get his wheelchair before you'll running because you do have vesey only around and instead it's going through that corner kind of thing if it's wet you you know you can tell but i mean my only my i mean it's funny going to be i wanna be a GT driver i ask good and i looked to the data i said a you you rich no no he said but you know we in in vitro pastes linked maybe yeah no the dream of being a two hundred drivers i'm texting my son he's voting school navy academy and he's like why aren't you using the phone to say because limited bit of bullshit racing that i've done i can see how addictive it is and if you're good at it and you get you get a win you beat fifty hung out of it it was teenagers and huge crush on it but it wasn't reciprocated and she i remember talking to her i said but other drivers and you get away and you go this is going to be my life now and it's like whoa heroin l. boom now now fucking racecar driver we could compare it my buddy james and his dad and i came back home and set to that i i just saw that it's like a scene you know inside the machine and how he got there if you these cards i swear the these these kids you know over exposed out there that all brilliant ever played down at the dog and pony you know and i never went to i didn't go to causing guy didn't go to any there was no causing coffee about that you know it fula women i just remember i just go to races and i had an interesting conversation with khloe mason who is nate mason the drummer pink floyd kind aw kids girlfriend's dad the club in england was called the doghouse yeah and that was the famous club which betty hill graham hill's wife started add stuff and i ask what it was like to be a kid to be derek bells kid like did you travel around or are you home with your mom no we traveled a lot viewer because there's always a team for you pretty much but you know it is still an amazing sport to be a part of and it's also you know having done the little x-men buddy of mine from high school dipped out like sophomore year to go to utah park city to go to the US i think everybody's everybody's dad was a racecar driver and she said and i said so my races going to silverstone going to the mall going to spas paid but maybe get paid in this right now to west johann some of the top drivers in dwelled in GT racing because the full programs going away was there was no there was no capri there was coverage you know i never went to it so i never knew and then i was seventeen thought racing period was as an art student i had no intention of racecar driver i was racing motocross so emmy a bit i went to the film festival at brands hatch a lot of other things in our life you know what i mean it's like it just once you once you taste that you you're into it but that's how i i've been around racing my whole life my dad awesome cool gulls nine five six porsches and amazing race tracks and i went to the i wanna do that now you saw the level of the local residents myemma yeah what the heck oh oh in dad's little quote until you were seventeen i didn't i did eight but but real race caused a seventeen years old but the ring and at the same time she said yeah well i i'd sit on the corner the stage while they're doing soundcheck at wembley yeah she never went to a pub it's marketing yeah we just started well that's why we that's why we saw lewis hamilton on instagram roman grosjean or whatever ski academy and he would go to class in the morning and then everybody would get out at noon and they would go skiing and that's that was the thing there was a school in in florida that my buddy she really taught right and then you can go play basketball in europe paid a little bit that's what america's to europeans come over here and lay listen desks oh brilliant they're being homeschool yeah so they can go karting for three as a day they talk about you know you'll running down it's like the start of a motocross race like because lewis hamilton i mean to me anyway as a much more dynamic person but he had to break out yeah he was he was run dennis defied through mclaren tokyo with racing you know you you get to this point where you have you can get so far and some of these you know and you suddenly get like going this is a doll and then the rest of the money to go out and do a test day and we went to brands hatch started started driving as you know fifty bikes going through a gate room for two at the end they were boarding school where you go and do real school for like four hours a day and then you race for me like not good you know it's like it's not to do but the is it so all these kids that they're they have no job yeah now wouldn't have basketball when i in baseball i mean there's thousands of those people you know once you make it he said how do we tell you mother and that made me work on the formal summit to get the money to jim russell school then getting up and down the street robot until the point that suddenly and then he became dennis rodman nice nice segue that'd be funny i remember when he equals getting shit and the british papers and from the team for one minute being inveigh you know between races before the allston race you know being in vegas with you know justice in venice the vegan place buckle cafe gratitude that places delicious they and they have those buffalo wings at a lake with the with the medical don't like when they try to fake the collar bieber and he's like okay the day i start winning on fucking sunday you can tell me that i should back it out yeah i know i haven't read private jet i'm actually a chicken choosing cheating v o so off my no that's shows i'm not gonna say what is take a drone on me cutting could says so advanced and their skill set so again is another young man who races in hey delicious vegetarian dish that is like not a thing that looks like meat but made a vegetable really talking vegetables they like little homogenized i don't mean it's a little that scene in spy movie when suddenly see into the lair and he's like ten thousand a plant based annoying about it i'm not naive about it i mean i love i was in and out yesterday without meat what's that cafe gratitude for tennis same transferred him over there US racing academy jeremy shaw thousand dollars to trying to i'm trying to think nothing happens in a race or someone tweet something after a race or something happens that's like an f one race and everyone goes ooh there was a glimpse of a person and and a lot of the media or the organization just go working with with a young lady right now who's going to she's come alex heinous her name she's doing porsche stuff and she really wants to be in racing yeah really great women and there should be that should be a lot more women in our sport yeah i mean it seems like his levels a lot of the playing field right ooh they stepped out of line and how rude of them and some people are like finally a human being so what do you think about that isn't it funny we most series will find you eh couple of years ago he's like so what can i do to get noticed some light i mean you'll fast but his fast fast fast i said i go home i would get it get him on our flank sold a jet he wants three yeah he does he's he turned vegan two years ago and taught me how to do like media training some bullshit but the trouble is if someone wants pointed out to me about the way i do TV and stuff that we couldn't really teach that is first of all what do you think about the racing drivers of kind of their personalities narrowed like you said they're all the same in every every now and then you know but the point being fine line though don't you if you too outspoken teams get pretty her that she is quite trust kashagan is you know i did that tony's veggie to buy it so i'm not a good vegan but i do enjoy aw you know they really wanted to like every seven years all your cells like regenerate so we need to watch a documentary about like powerlifters and stuff the guys who were in their forty s and they've been doing it for a while they get that old man strength so silly look bigger than anybody else like massively shifted is super hard on the twins uh of bang smacking the shit out of someone with your helmets off and yet they'll use the same footage in their promo video series i mean it's like totality and he's like so skinny i mean he's like skinnier than i am right in these but he's eighteen who nineteen he's redefining indycar right now and he's so fricking fuss stones sixty that i mean i i when i say the drivers don't have personnel of course on the wind to get him a he can tattoos of like strip down your arm and comeback date instagram models or something do something a little bit make his care because the holson colton herta yeah so he was sitting with tommy having in the middle of the petita remarry campfires and she had and then you go down the other part and you could smell the marijuana and then you this is my imagination a twenty five years old but you could you could smell everything going around the track the old big penske drivers in the second you know tia team brian had some big future ahead of him and then you see graham ray hole ah laguna seca which is you know whether raceway league in a second just brilliant i mean i mean the allegation is wholly elevation makes racetrack he's here he's red he's he's he's she vegan vying whole life he's saving the planet by burning ten thousand road atlanta where we were the weekend which lovely which is unbelievable and they put this when you go there next time mission and they just built a new building it looks like you're yeah full crank i mean you know what's funny is that you see these young guys come into sports cars or indycar especially indycar to begin for the twenty year olds is forty year olds i guess honan seven seven seven seven put any so i'm in my eighth set of cells placement vegan replay three years the most you can with your next set of cells i am cellular ambition that's that's pretty cool does she sends out for her right yeah i mean we have christina nilsson we have all these great women that have racing right now katherine legge yo yeah she's great an individual basis they do but the the precious to be so good and sponsors an orlando but if you can just evolve your your present in charlotte what's your favorite track to drive the tracks you've raised well you generally like the ones you win on just being shallow sentimental value i mean lamar's he's a sweetest guy anyway trying to do it and i said are you just going to stand out i mean right now is a female race car driver you've got to be fast yeah but i mean what a market if you can get it right slide it and do everything i any way you have those kind of elevation changes you want you and especially downhill breaking and stuff you want immune maybe for talking about indycar okay maybe there's a physicality of the forces or whatever but i think in a GT car prototype dishing the big mouth on a short person i mean it's like you're like hold on that doesn't match you make a little noise and five at one nothing wrong being you come back to the pits and his so your senses are so heightened i i find that in america so definitely in america yeah you are now you're like fifteen percent of the way for my eight set of cells have you been vegan for seven years so you uh-huh and isn't a i mean isn't that sort of that but that is by definition the american call heritage and i get it drag racing what was happening thing you have and it fits and it's just okay and then what about the rest of his thinking about it down in texas and they're they're very nice people down there but they got a lot of space and so their thing is the highway roll racing and so it's just how much power can you show the hood for a sixty two one sixty pit when you go to the mall and you just in the middle of the night you know driving in its you know if it's not pissing rain but you know when it's cool and i describe round limos and and i saw like mclaren and some of these cubs will sell you a streetcar the AC delete meanwhile every fucking race cars air conditioning but kota really opposite the pits and they demolished him on our old shit leaning on it i think and so now they have this and you had a cams right here and they were all on this street right in front of us and i wonder they just flew up and down you know i mean but it is it's still gratified you just do what you want it's not precious is really nice because it's it's it's it's pretty but it's i don't treat it precious at all it's very weird feeling to be in a nine eleven you want something that has that that platform that you can feel the whole time you know and some of these because there's that disconnect between their power and they in the nighttime especially when the fairground you go round and you'd get pasta and you could almost you could smell a candy you could smell the lights in the big you know i tell you if you were going to do that i think that little you on the same thing that mclaren six hundred lt those lovely really lovely i think that would be my go-to tracks eighty-five high on the pictures of it out there and running anna is in the right car just the best yeah what's your giving but being although his tool was quite skinny but now he's built like your shins jack grimsby and you know what happens any next starts going like this and you're have you ever done any offered yeah i did the the wide open baja customer racing program thing back in the day and it was super super fun in the bud they kind of well i i mean i've done no dabble tested to touch uh nuff and you know when obviously i did shut up dr reese you know we re smelling and he was always talking about it and what he does and oleg guys and then you see poll tracy's you know it was see his videos and things i mean those around saying robby gordon is king lunatic yeah i mean but it's i i think you should get why i liked that really care about roads visit you don't care off-spiner watching watch it last year at long beach the first time they win they would just three years ago it's incredibly funny i've just a little tiny bit that i've done supersede refund you know it looks grove stadium super trucks oh yeah golden sarah ax fun fun but you know lime rock can be found it depends what car you and i it was the wellspring asked to drive if you're in your car handling salaam unless you know but the horsepower arms race yes sometimes i mean that's that's why sometimes you get us to drive poject 'cause the other than the rate given what's what would be your ideal streetcar at road atlanta radio streetcar will you want some track oriented streetcar or anything really does he does you know mr bachelor he junior and you know he's found a home there and they do that and that doesn't look too good awesome things like that and you go they say how does it how is it and i'm like i think you should do breaks dampers street here boulevard right years ago this was they called this thunder alley on jefferson because you had shelby here you had eto brock here you know what the fuck of don't you call and more than ever interest you can buy super charger and both danny they sometimes someone's a little more enthusiastic true going into the jump i mean if we're always coming by you i'm sure you'll i mean ari junior he and her dad was a world cup scare and his one daytona and stuff he's a cool guy you'd have met them nineteen that silver one with orange stripe down sideways and once in a while the long beach geez that was the shit that's the best racing series the new israeli isolate you i like your your who is your rally car the little leaky kuhne and then but without a care in the world as far as elliot streets because you're trained to be in that vision in your life don't you got shuster the first job pungo oh yeah you guys what the fuck was that hazy yeah they landau cockeyed it was just like coming down off the pedestrian bridge and i'm like mighty manage yet just looking for an car into the paddock and suddenly i look up on this these were great and the people were supervised and it was rat i do recommend doing a with b f g of of they do they're they're runs down there the pre james this is the testing today i mean going to be the looks amazing i'm trying of rivals that someone's how can you knock it made sense it was a great fifteen minute racism i went down to long beach my son and adultery and i mean they love racing but tape every lap down hot and candy when i come in and you can see go down and you can smell the i i actually you know in its silo 'isolation it's probably fine life and struggle with the different everything couple of hundred pounds lighter it i mean i gotta say again what are you gonna compare it you don't compare it to compare all the cars advocated contact like you watch the onboard and there i mean it's not like agreed but they're tapping and trying to go and this gentleman drivers tana's good at a lot yeah he can fuck try he and he is so home about it he is just not like i mean at least outwardly i don't know what's going they will i finished really two thousand thirteen that's my last big ray's potato and they so they've never really seen me as as teenagers doing stuff every single magazine covers also call it drew phillips's home away from home we we were shooting you know that long right hand on the angeles crest long long you're out yeah with the big turnout the big ten out on the inside yeah we call that european car on inside but outside its sale trump four hundred yards through a hole in a concrete wall off and we went down there and like after the first thirty seconds all of is like who i want you racing she why yeah yeah of course he would do that what we're going to have these giant jumps and then no-landing soon flatland that and and so good so good for your feet uh-huh tens of millions of dollars i'm like okay well in this town up he was at the time you getting big money yeah he's doing drugs it'll be different every time the drift snowdrift stunt guy he was he was on site sack words and i have to do it at exactly sixty six point two miles an hour but the speed limiter on my truck doesn't work but like it's cool like we're good his noise i'm looking at the underside of a frigging truck yes as as he goes by and then you just you can't stop watching you sinise things man have you arrive what i the series that i mean i think it was i dunno managed mental identify badly managers ahead of its time but globally coming bhai so i said to resolve to stand here and he just because we stand what you want and now if a race car driver nomoreza driver was going to go through a shot yeah we're filming with the harris last year he'd like nine eleven touring up at thunder hill and we needed a drift shot and so he he because he's very very ah twelve times in iraq reese was the same we did we did shut up and drive and we had the SEF's and lex us yes and he was on what GM adjust and i just stand that literally where i am and he comes to feet away and i trusted him and he goes by he carries on all the way around the corner ways you know you know in my world as you you kick it out just before you need to kind of go through the corner and don't ask me early close crossing i thought that's the way to go it looks on asphalt and you on and you jump and we might that continue in america at all or is it just fully blue myself on the back i did i von get in junior we when we had this is sort of really cool baja truck where if you just like smashed the throttle in front of speed from the the quick skip yeah oh it's the best i went to audio plug up in sweden and did a mercedes one and then two years a year and a half ago i did lamborghini super fair one off in colorado because it's the right size for everything they're rowdy on it and just never felt too much of a car didn't it a racing driver is fucking like almost unattainable my son and it is who we say don't become a call john lewis for us isn't it you know when we get a loan to car and you go and you're in LA just gotta get outside LA i so i have the new the boxster spyder switch we have told me i had the tradition the other day fresh show which which was really fun we took it to do you know what compared to what we used to do with enough and i just turned to the cameras stupid that's why he does that whatever but y- inside impressed that's that's that's the hadn't done that ice racing is driving thing yet no i would love to them below zero school or no no i've done two i went mclennan had the wells fargo scout show we we went up there and ford said can you do something with him and so in his call in his car and his very good exciting cars chris chris harris and he does the same thing he enters real early and just smoke smoke smoke smoke smoke third year and then he does the thing where he pulls up and he goes who entered he entered king which only own was a job to do he thing and he came in i think that's pretty i think that'll work pretty good we can move on and you're like you smug look pretty good doc in play with tanzanian doing that's absolutely but given a big skill and a formula d carr is anything better you you just said the most fun seven thousand dollars that we expect i never look at that point i think yeah we we had anyway it was fun but we were we were upper just set up to do it so i was a lot more impressive than i you know but how much fun did you have wasn't at the mall more than anthony formula drift cars are hands down the most thing you can dr robert darren properties but he's like you know mr magoo and we're standing out there and he said we can do short let's get a shot of reason erase caro's nine hundred whatever it was wasn't as much as he said you don't you don't need that much but you know getting the balance right and just pulling the lever and everything lied and go for half a mile just go go go canada yet you just go it's like you know they'll say well is a gate with some flags about three hundred feet wide somewhere over there and you just get into i striving school how this is are all taught help prepped studied tired air cooled nine eleven on ice that looks the jam backwards now you're going to happen now you'll backwards and then as you put gas on it would transfer you know ninety percents back to the front to the front would grab in this and then you do it but if you didn't commit yeah it would just go ole full wheels slide stray off into the and we stop in this town they have an ice sculpture house in the middle of town so proud of it other than that smell piss because it's it was just wherever the beginning they he was one of the guys and they'd be not that pressing for three days got really good on it and you could go in with this system then you turn the wheel then you connect and then you'd floor it and go back to all wheel drive and off you go and you go you go i am a god he's got an air cooled school somewhere that i can i think it's called below zero well thanks to this poke cost you will now be on it because i bought it up son coming with if you let physics stewart's screwed most fun honestly if you do really the one i wanna do is richard tuttle you must know the portion of the guy so spare and good hospitality and just the most fun oh cool look at the ice track yeah that's awesome it's the kind of thing i said to the the slide not into the slide because if you you turn away from the slide it would slot getting around like this you then start to get no gas you start to give it gets you actually yeah and then they had huskies and they you're drinking all night have zero below zero porsche ooh the wealthy cod guys that you know that looking for the next fix and you'll have to do that that's the one in the one in northern sweden you are at the everyone relieved themselves locally kind of melt it melts it one at a time but if you go you going all the arctic circle i mean there's jonny lee to stay in an igloo they have eglise but but they had glue house in town shows homeless wherever you are that diff- than oil drive system on that you would corey lewis one of the races the one c bring for daytona with lapland but you know you expect to see stuff yeah he's just white road but yeah i i've always wanted to do the thing where you stay in the glass igloos with me really it's just disappointing but i do have a word of advice view which i didn't learn actually in one of those co places i learned total can't start to slide and then it would stop going backwards and you'd actually reverse that she turn away from what was the not the hurricane we did our gherardo diatta had hurricanes yata and the event or events dole yeah and and we're in this town near this town and johnny lebron i would doing things with medicare and we were driving up in a BG wagon all the way that from copenhagen up to i know who also told me about it because they they organize the a. m. g. academy went to one and they did an aspen that's fantastic that's anything you want the thought it was so funny and he took off his pants and sat down oh to the ice and so now there and so now outside of his his tent camping in the badlands and watch the sun come up and was like yeah he's he's a great guy really is he has so many stories he was in the a place in vegas when i was doing jackson and they had a ball but ice the ice spa love jacket yes shooting some really funny enough north it was like game of thrones the wool so freaking cold but then john john and i get there and the whole the research what might have trained hadn't quite done that six miles in the car and when we get there there's a fucking gift shop road you know it's not like to see santa claus by smashing the glass on my forehead and i really caught my forehead badly and i just i felt the trickle of warm blood come down to face as she was because i'm a big law and order fan who he was i met him twice on boron moore doing like we hung out for a minute and it was it absolutely really you know she is in trying to impress her we were all in in one of those ice bars and you take the shot from the ICU huck against the wall and i tried to impress her opposite does anyone ever and i mean yeah what about that apartment opposite i think there's a elton john's apartments to talk frozen so anything like as you know in you know and they're like no no no one can an ongoing yeah no that's important you don't want to do anything like that they just got a notification of the day though i screen shot and i was very excited ice tea follow me on twitter very exciting peace with the the the girls that were there and doing this and the big thing on khotan and all this and i said what's a funny thing you've ever seen in his she said well we had a bachelor no and i'm sorry christopher chris for maloney christopher maloney elliot stabler from law and order i saw him in she was so nice about it she was like i'll i'll sweetie like oh she cleaned up and i was like i fucking hate just kill me just just just kill me now you don't want to hey hey he's like so he was asking lots of questions that you might if you like celebrity and like so when i part that no no media can come in right underneath the furious nagged me for a photograph at a gallop in party for the aston zagallo member i was he nagged me for good for you like in that real goumba new york like i was like what the like that wasn't like whoa whoa all i said was high and i'm a fan like jesus fucking christ the story a million times what embarrassed myself quite heavily into that yeah yeah it's you know you know cocoa tea's wife well not not like not not as a celebrity to to very easy one is rick yuan who you would know as johnny tran from the fast yeah so they were more warm water to keeler and everything i mean talk about that honestly acts and i'm a huge fan and just said oh hey chris maloney i'm a huge fan and now is it all he had to say was thank you very much have a good day but he he went i wanna say marines or maybe like infantry like he's a he was a military guy how many lies you let real musician real real yesterday that i was nice too i was super cracked out when i landed because i hadn't fucked slipped and i fucking went head at bob sagged LAX it's just if i was single i would definitely be a member definitely as a married guy nothing that as a bit of waste of money for malibu one is supposedly the shit l. because in my guests no and here we are we're at the arctic circle and johnny pulls out his phone and it goes because as you know worse fifteen no my my worst one generally people are generally i meet them in the car world and the racing world when the up to what you would hope hanging out with ice t to do cannon ball years ago and we we we got up at the badlands in the morning and he was along and it was funny again that win snapshot bad moment bad day i don't know but i had to interview and he was like happy to see him i said bob sackett lovey manager said that expand and we just didn't even stop but it was perfect interaction i had lunch today that's the one really sound very high society now so tell me what's who who was the biggest us because i play a superhero dr and mine was when patrick dempsey went lost you and i was like i just need to need somewhere to go and so i joined and he was sitting it was him and at the same time they hey how you didn't wife the northern lights igloos maybe i could combine that with a whole to iceland and i've been to places like five trips now never seen a northern light about this show i just realized as you said fuck seventeen times in eight seconds was the fact that my daughter asked me in the car is my favorite she's twelve it that is with that party soared road no photos today christopher nolan ironically law and order SVU i'm huge not christopher come into your ta when i did that whole jay leno electric coughing i'm the green cutting when he had the the jay leno show i was training i mean i drove with so many of them from the raw you any one of your race driving friends will tell you that when when you get them your wealth it's a it's a very big equalizer you check your ego bet you just help every time i personally think the suggests peeing on it i know it was france he's fifteen though yeah the best man they're like copenhagen collector then when i went for my so house orientation whatever ten years ago they're sitting next to me that was when they first start the month opened here that way you shouldn't so she's listening lula she loves listening to me and what chances you got and and all of us i'm tried reading the book i cried and i do it's so funny anytime we watch anything i mean like anything remotely with a moment in it my kids then i heard he was overwhelmed by everything ongoing that's unfortunate jeff swertz said he was sweet jeff jeff worked on that movie he said he was a really nice guy yeah man i mean 'cause you know and i was like see must be exciting to be here with all the real drivers you know just just a movie kind of his fuck your favorite word i win you'll say what i said he is my favorite swearword she said what did you say is said minus poop for now keeper i had a friend i had a friend pass away i there was jesse that there was my carl and now we you know my my cat who i've had is something he did it in place anyway any i'm sure he's very very sweet and did you haven't yet so but they were shooting racing in the rain were precinct so is that seeping and milo the guy milo we get there were all checked in and they slapped like the expert bracelet on me so i'm like i'm driving customers in the same classes like what your dad is talk to serena williams too i mean so many they would generally really really cool because you're the expert division freaking out i'm never gonna pocono before like valentino's their their bills air i'm like what am i doing i'm freaking out JP and i'm like i don't i shouldn't be like for fourteen years is like he's he's okay but he has what is the like the beginning of like a terminal illness so it's like oh god how much did this take and i'm going what can i said to patrick i said you need to give him a fucking less straining little training this is now the you can relieve in hollywood but you can leave that bullshit behind like he could tell i was nervous that he he's he he's he's probably one of the nicest human beings i've ever met so you know matt he wants to go on an adventure drives pacific northwest knicks are my friend rob rob ferretti doing he's doing adventure drives pacific we're in the pit lane i'm in a fucking race suit your inner suit i've been introduced you mean you'll hear were you stunned driving no in the middle of the seabourn twelve hours with a camera with your oversee i'm not you know it's not it's not i don't grind trying to put a post op they got car and so i i got to do an event in pocono and it was the first time ever get to drive at pocono JP and we were we were the factory drivers a complete idiot in front of all of these guys like i was nervous and he just was like he's like you'll be fine he goes you totally okay and then just kind of walked away and it all worked out great but it was just it just put me ooh got a few questions i'm gonna try we i'm going to i'm going to filter out all of the tea too because your time's valuable the the generic card vice once but in a car would be best for the task i mean honestly something reasonably fast and comfortable comfortable with renting is because you're going to have to cross into canada you may not be able to west seattle up through canada banff all that i'm so excited so you wants to know is renting better and i'm there we this event was it was a huge event with all the major manufacturers so your dad was there driving for bentley valentina was there driving for lambeau there's another guy remember his name driver for lotus i mean all these heavy hitters on but if not yeah i i like renting from six for this sort of thing because you can rent a specific car it's not like there's no or similar celebrity mole yeah i mean that's the great thing about that place you can skew just like i'm jeremy irons wants to have dinner with somebody and it was very nice got the purple label special leather which he sent the swatches to the factory and i got it in o-3 never really drove it much i drive it a lot in twenty fifteen i decided to send it to england to newport panel to have a manual put in yeah yeah i mean is to figure that out logistics thing he may want to bring your own car you should yeah because that's part of the when no excuse me oh five when he got the vanquish s and i got it we got it for very very cheap and my dad the she's me ever since i just it just totally our crying than i'm comfortable with last year it's just why why why and it was picked up he was picked up two hours ago from connecticut is on a truck out here west heading west that i'm taking it on adventure drives yeah i don't know if i'll be invited on the press launch they haven't announced that yet but if not there will be there'll be press cars in california eventually and we'll get one yet story about your dad at some point i wanted to tell to we'll do do that now you sure i the first time i ever met your your father was i didn't event i used to work for spyker oh it might be a while i think might be well kevin wants to know what happened to the CEO embargo it got blown what happened with embargoes is i don't know about any i was pacific northwest so there's a good example of a great car to take GT car and we will be GTE driven converted vanquish they're fucking cool jobs he liked hashing the shoulder he goes he's just follow our line he goes with this isn't a race he goes everything will be fine you'll be oh totally okay and then just walk away and it like i was like because i was so nervous oh no oh the story behind my aston my ass and is a two thousand and three vanquish it was built new four ralph lauren as kevin says yes it was his car it's on coast moore's please you go to milo i e j b and we do all these stuff say minor leaguers yeah well you know we'll just spin round and my girlfriend china the turn and look at me is that crying again because he's like this is most i mean all the things i've done in my life and then if there's any human moment as trade off it's just it's just weird isn't it when you do when you actually have a job and you'll obviously wearing a you're wearing a tv raysut with mike in which they did and it's back now it's got thirteen thousand miles on it i think fourteen thousand miles not very many miles and it's their motor trend notification at five thirty AM central time this morning that's the earliest post i've heard of but i don't know either way but they you know outlets yeah it wasn't depressed launch the press launch hasn't happened yeah there there were only there's two or three development cars that are running like the car that i you've showed up on a transporter with a crew of four people that literally could not leave it out of their sight they had to take it with them everywhere they went and last year of not patrick's great go with patches fantastic shoot teeth sweetest man super right if it's broken it's broken by broken by everybody so somebody broke it i don't know it was it definitely wasn't me because i was on top of a mountain someone said it does make you more it'd be would it be can we punch it on that deck we're gonna take a few questions i am going sri equal out those types of advantages nowadays tomorrow doesn't get broken yeah i had to come home and race home and upload the video some time to prepare for when it gets launched you know i mean that good bad and ugly so like when it does get broken they're scrambling i couldn't imagine so yeah so the embargo from a manufacturer's standpoint did on the other side of that is that you know the the point is that they can one day but like i think they probably had social media getting ready to be launched a print magazine takes yeah which is good stuff but like something fast income i did i did the european an audi s seven and it was like perfect which i mean there's people that do it in like lambeau i buy like that just annoys video i put up i that was my little workaround right no driving impressions fine here's me silently driving around a racetrack had armor for the apocalypse what car justin would you have armored who would be your perfect armored vehicle it's i mean it's a big v twelve and a six speed and thirty three pedals it's fantastic mint society says is see eight corvette street test coming mad max where you find the beautiful woman you've got to take a with you i'm not play a big killer i dunno i wouldn't well i can tell my mind what says nothing to do the was in shit but like i don't want to drive fifteen hundred miles in a hurricane like that's not my idea of nine eleven i mean nothing wrong with the good nine eleven kevin wants tesla performance car of the year and motor trend car the year they're the only people who got to drive it in the month of september no one else got it and so the embargo was only really for like four intend to make a youtube video or fucking digital thing takes no time at all and so it's there's thousands and thousands of dollars on the line if you are it's four hundred thousand views yeah you know what i mean like that's like that's like fifteen hundred bucks that's not nothing you know what i mean and that's so if it's an attempt by the manufact- already idiot let's see oh blake blah blah black sleep black sleep woody says what car or truck would you send i don't you never want to be the first you don't wanna break the embargo but if someone breaks the embargo then the floodgate is open because you're not going to be the fucking last the only sucker action but now i'm figuring out how i'm fighting off you know the guys on the guy from four who moves into the tent next to me right the best toy by far it's the best toy in the world you can go literally anywhere water will not stop you you can drive into frozen legs what would the apocalypse coming you figure out that anyone that i like is that she inside the car with me yeah so i'm not gonna i it's it's not going to be like jordan that out the other side you know not often do you see something and you go that's just would wrote my will yes it would this classes like i don't i don't know how comfortable they didn't just stay when my lines that you're good enough driver and i didn't know that your dad was behind me and he overheard me like completely freaking out it i mean i understand the embarrassing because 'cause you're they're giving you an opportunity and it's gotta respect yeah but in today's world it's so wow isn't that like almost comically cheap tents amazing it is i would armor the fuck out of that thing and the fuel the fuel ranges on that twenty eight hundred i have to go to northern minnesota drive them in winter and there these these things these russian amphibious things so he kind of looks like a toy it is what do you think that thing costs is that right there it's about the size of like a how do i even find a picture like a human standing next to it or something intent i will give them a shout out they deserve shoutout go find the pollen todd's ev go fund me and help them by those terrible terrible cars i'm sure i want to stay on the east coast but but oh fucking charlotte i mean in my car culture aura barrel hippie very very elegant but really mean like you know as you know they go literally anywhere i don't want to see it in theaters my wife was like we're gonna we're gonna fucking cry we cry kim why can't watch fucking animal no so we're going to watch it yeah tough only print magazines got to drive the car only motor trend in road and track and car and driver they were actually doing like grew like lightning we'll be very cheap andrew says oh yeah okay yes he won't andrew dual overhead cam flat plain frank cer engine in the in the corvette streetcar and we agree there yeah we agree favourite east coast city for car culture says moga tour productions other similar ferraris of the period fell felt much lighter on their feet including the three hundred four and surprisingly the mon- deal i can say to turn me off the three twenty eight he said that the fucking steering and brakes terrible and then it drove like a heavy big and the wait what nicholas whole says the guy's everyday driver are doing a fun a gofundme me to buy fatan and a quattro portait for miles so while i'm surrounded by mike connolly leather dying because i ran out of fuel gone gone gone slowly but surely your gun the fuck out of this is really good and you you do it but what was what was incredible was we had the sharp sharp have you driven a sharp yet no you really lost really can you do you know what it is just in the picture i went car culture i mean you know clumps you wanna do or across do you want to show i mean if you go takes us back to texas to win i mean suburban slutty out wrote yeah yeah it's it's funny isn't it what we'd do if we'll let turned upside down i i wonder why leaks lee woody would i mean atlanta's pretty good great car culture pretty racing radio land there's a lot of different tracks okay so my vehicle is going to be pretty cool right from the outset i think on my raindrop adrain drove up either the holland and holland but can you imagine on the top to seize double barreled shotguns had come out and see that because there's a law one other than that but the number one cau- that they have complete cultures around above realize that you know it's hard to scale them like the size of a minivan yeah six hundred there you go there's a there's a human next to one hundred eight thousand three hundred nineteen it'd be re the inside well everyone else is battling it outside i just hit my shots as it comes out in the open on my refrigerator in the middle and yeah well everyone's gotta have the trucks the cut the truck customization is just next level but for east coast best car city gotta be charlotte and atlanta miami miami miami's the best yeah you wouldn't put yourself through daytona just drives down in and out dato here they reopen lollipops today's world keeps you think you're going to take a good one hyphen can do the same joke but with people i find this amazing i will be posting one of matt ah over five pounds for sure the great thing about it is people let you get right up in the face of these you can just up and it's obviously they have really stepped up that game with the prototypes they won races this year but the big big big news for the mazda competition site is john looking guess how many stars on the google reviews half two point six so just about all you need to know about it is that review i've never seen that before as a proper that so funny hey what are you what are your view morrogh focus but i i love the physicality of it have you felt that is looking at things so it's a gentleman actually feels like a forty four magnum and the great thing about the great thing about rick he's all secondary so this is the leica m ten i was telling the guys it's the digital one uses the same lenses as a bottle service of grey goose is eighty dollars wow that's it that's it wellesley salt people leave negative reviews i've never this junin who is single handedly really responsible for masters multiple programs here in the US has just announced this morning and announced that he is the he announced his retirement just a couple of weeks ago they were looking for a successor to go outside the nascar family's a big deal for vanessa and but to have a guy like john dune in the news on mazda steve do you know what's happening at mazda in yeah well i i only know from the racing side of things literally lives and breathes racing and he you know he he came on our show on the show when they won the first race and he's blubbing on the sofa next to me i mean crying like a just that i hope brio isn't mad because brio beard scape is a wonderful sponsor of this show and i love their product to buzzer but hannah my wife got me the poster model as an extension of my teenage art college days which didn't go far either but i like people i mean i've had to work to i'm pretty shit landscape on the wall well that's one of those places where they say you got to you know say you go to buy two drinks and don't touch the strip as you say those both achievable engine night and day okay wholly different experience a thing to new engine rules well i just rented a c x five in houston and it was lovely zakar you wanna know about my like i film everything i do in life is fast like talking fuss and driving fussing shooting video and all that so about five years ago i started ones getting the photography thing i mean there's no zoom on it you get up close and gets a very intimate camera low light cameras okay close he's rich and i really really enjoy enjoy see three corvette style but hate actually driving being one true if you had to work with one what would you do i made a video with a company called detroit speed i would do it hey did you ever tell you do it which is like crazy chassis reinforcements seam welding entire sub frame replay the president of MCI so which is a huge thing couldn't be a nice guy i mean literally to have someone running scott atherton was an amazing personality did a lot for the series then if you go to an eight year old italian barber it's the kind of barbara it's it's it's like a plucking panzer tank buzzer where the whole i changed my life had she photography i love japanese silk apparently i dunno like costs so much money my parking garage and this thing after the apocalypse like everything else will turn to dust except for manscaping and you can't carry it anywhere because ways mm-hmm yeah i'm skip i'm scam skipping some of the justin tell us about your like m well now you've they are they are professional i drove was like american flag was highly mirka burqa i three seven full metal cartridge go digital and it just like it's like a combine for your face and you know it'll it'll it'll be the cockroaches it's stupid but it's you know i can appreciate that kind of i mean look when you hold racer if you wanna see like a racer is my husband instagram account just drove into the ground just bad martin wants to know has the c eight move the game forward meaning mid tier more mid tier brands might build mid engine cars touches that bulls anywhere near my balls now that's scape for that it's much safer what's the new me auto you should get one from asta he's found a new engine updated i'm not gonna judge i mean why not very nice to have a few nights but you know what i hear you know what my absurd heavy thing is like that is i have an ah fifty on that list at fifty fifty would be on there too i mean oh yeah i would go mclaren one f forty three i'm by the heritage mclaren by three hundred s l because that would be it and number three over a million i mean things like able to attribute that directly to GM taking the leap and saying we're going to take our corvette make mid engine how many other manufacturers are gonna have to do that yeah i don't know hired looking three red three hundred going that he says he's daily ing wow it's fucking quito mailer if it looks tired as shit this dude i think the corvette yes going engine has really advanced it but it's advanced it to where all its competitors figure cars gabriel wants to know if you had all the money in the world scope top three seven figures mclaren f one nineteen ninety-five in this very fancy man with that cameras you know what it's it's i'm i'm really not but i love that bro you're allowed to buy nice things eight by ten in a box cheese no i loved it that's a that's a good thing yeah they i love like us anyway rica chew says you love the match because that's just where things are going and that might i was curious to see you know four years from now what the scope of things are going to be and then more customers to mid engine cars it wouldn't normally have been there or is that going to force manufacturers in like matt said he's gonna likely force more manufacturers to have to start making mid engine cars to kind of somme and chassis replacement and like LS motor close ratio four speed three fifteen at all four corners detroit speed out visit exact thing and it's like okay well a computer has decided that this is the optimum shape for you know maximum performance and ali the argument that i that i was making was that to a lot of enthusiasts that you know the corvette is supposed to be no front engine rural drive in that's how it should be and then you know more that we discussed i think zack brought it up i like something that is that when you get this is going to last night he's my kids my my daughter's loves the photography and you know i border MSNBC it's like you know the corvette to GM a halo car doesn't matter where the end is so the question i brought up is is so is the see being mid engine is echoing to introduce wight and he's like he's like i want to restore but he's telling me not to he just keeps driving it and yeah it's just it was a cool patino old three hundred s l like unrestored l. thoughts on movement watches those are fashion watches is they they don't really have a collectability or anything like that if you like how they look taking majored in photography college did you so shut in large format of that yeah that's heavy can carry it around you buy them they work they tell time but they are pretty basic entry level fashion watches if you wanted something that was more watch kredi i would look up something called the i hope i see changed is the feel of the gearbox at medium pace driving like medium back roads driving it was great when you timex GMT which is actually pretty cool patrick's favorite thing about the c eight and one thing you'd like to see change favorite thing was the ride quality one thing i'd like to see changed we're going full bore on the track but when you're doing medium pace driving it was bucking a little bit more than i liked on the downshifts and and they said there was gearbox was not in a final state of tune so please don't put too much weight behind that but i do hope they sort it out and they said they knew about it okay cool and we talked about that last podcast that was on yeah exactly that yeah i mean what what do you what what would you you'll decision on the last poll cast and what did you see as you can do when you put in the engineer has to go around but i remember when i saw that the the ferrari three sixty i'm a guy that is the most beautiful thing oh vincent wants to know hello to my lamont's hero justin bell things like pagonis it's tough don't hold me i just it just doesn't i mean they should understand they should have scaled do you know yeah have film cameras to get into it because you have to thirty time just take you to him and and actually it makes you better in your you know you go on these shoots i'm jackie i'm sorry we don't know much about the russian road racing original unical i we lead them off it it's about as heavy as that and it's the kind of thing where if you cut thirty people's hair a day for forty years who is his brother fouls i heard there interesting extraordinarily interesting data interviewed at a job there and he came back and he it looks dated now but i i remember the moment i sold the three sixty it was the first change i mean if you think every frigging car they still look regional shape so what you're saying about the direction everyone goes in if it fits in with the the more we NFL going yeah that's what he has to be right up here in i've seen him at multiple malibu cars in coffees with the very motion you need people you need people like that to to run things in volumes who knows does that that's what i'm thinking is any i mean that was like the state of the art car in the world no one had seen this race that was incredible and we go to harrison and they they had something for us and we aw since then has been basically that mid engined ferrari shape i mean that was a jelly bean jelly boom everyone is like because there's only asli everyone's computers have come to pretty similar time kind of conclusion i'm glad that thing isn't a heinous looking could've been heinous but it's not so excited because the year before that personally sponsored nigel mansell and with harrods and they gave him one hundred thousand pound gift cod that was interesting well i will before we get the last part of instance good question i'll tell you it was funny when we we we did so well looking looking where is my fucking gift card i'm looking and i go to harris teddy bear balloon here in a in a ford GT here he goes he's like man to be honest we just put in our target numbers into a computer and it and he goes bid list who incomes you know dody and not dirty the dad you know mr mohammed fight or whatever and they came in and we're just like it's gonna be so good aw that we go off to go to harris dad me andy wallison the teen dave price and everyone like a month after the race and it was a big deal ready were yeah i mean don't you remember caught up than hell okay this this is a good question but his price point it's different than ever yeah totally different sixteen hours on father's day in the harrods mclaren my dad me and andy wallace semantic clutch release bearing go and be finished third overall oh honey was melanie something she's a top i mean like french every six one of the few people that does red bull racing twitter bean even better you've driven the race car and the streetcar so all owned by the feds she's moody let's blasts through a couple of these more before we get lead justin get out of here because you've got a family waiting for him glamorous people back in the sixties catch exactly you know i actually was one of the michelin influences guests the more combat go in the more it's all going to start to look the same when i talked to john hennessy about that venom f five thing which sort of looks like a law ferrari here and gone dan hannigan me a flying lesson for my birthday and it was great i had the best time ever and then okay so the next thing is you sign up for this ridiculous rated three hundred and sixty degrees she went as she four hundred and twenty degrees a second i want you to think about that over a role in half every second she can do i mean and i mean yeah about so we just had to eat like full end second round but meanwhile we we we would we could have really won that race and she does it and she came on the show with told me and i and she was just impressive harnack strong strong and she and i said don't you do like i did my little funny video on it and i drove around in it weirdly enough i think it's so novel being a snap call the so that kind of flying vincent i know thank you know even but i- margaret and i think we everything we do is in two dimensions yeah they do it in that third d thank twenty four hours of risking lives and then we get a chatty bears the girls justin was the smart electric the worst car you've ever driven a press trip well thanks for remembering that freddie gave us fifty dollars thank you freddie to freddie's the man thank you he's coming to LA bring his do you know freddie justin local us you can fi- as a skela tricks model to the far pretty so there it is fantastic livery some great yeah he did he see what he did but that thing on he bought the the the mercy from fast airs the fuck just one it was like yeah we all did things those pets what's the end of vincent's question was about the side of any of you considered you went out on that lambeth LA to thermal like voters in as thoroughly ruined mad he came back with just like treat it is it a grail greenie colorado trad red red faded paradise he was like it gets off the plane doesn't even look at the pilot i'll be sending the going do you realize what the fuck i just say gold three hundred and fifty of you you know because we just didn't even look at the pilots anymore hannah reef none of that would have been fun yeah there are some pretty bama mets does a lot more press trips and he can't tell you there was savar ish on instagram there's pictures of it's done and it looks really really really good so let me see it really is fantastic so we go to hire sucks well if nigel mansell got like a hundred grand then we must be like ten percent and so we're standing there and full resto on it and it cost apparently looks amazing and so forty thousand dollar paint job full custom interior one off carbon forged carbon parts in the inside on the podium and the mclaren which is why to the mclaren guys you have to finish if you're in a clutch did you finish the whole race and fifth gears schedule gearbox no issues out using his real name is freddie okay he's he's keeping his mercy for him for a little bit i think after sima like broke raise teenage twenty three old racecar driver and they come up and they gave us teddy's ten i'm like an i remember on jay were involved and it was a full i mean for for not just amazing pictures and rhode island yeah totally shit pile no car yeah they bought it it was fucked and he bought it for nothin' and he and his buddies took the whole thing apart he didn't fully rested but they created a pebble beach only on the east coast okay amongst the mentions of newport and we were there for two weeks beforehand getting ready they had done laws tally team mclaren f one did you raise the f. one in the mall fuck i'm sorry jesus christ as well as here it it's off the charts helicopters always appealed helicopter seems pretty cool but the slang left but what was cool about it was you this in back in the twenties the decadence yes shit is gilded age they we can go to connecticut and grab grab the boat and then we can go out to newport really pep yeah well i can tell you is that i hope everyone goes up then i'm so proud of it we went up to we were in newport rhode island for the or drain newport conquer a motor week creation there could be people that fly planes i'm not my airline parts are a lot of respect for them when you fly in bad weather and they coming in and winds blowing around suspend that much money on a press trip have you drive a smart car know who was the trip was in san diego with okay yes but it was cool wasn't you want my suit was sponsored by a place called wayne it's called grooms grotto although you don't actually have to buy wedding suits you can get ready to buy bride it's full and we were the host broke houses the talk show we had a full tv trucks jason brat my whole crew that we i mean because they will ex there will TV made to measure the lasers scan your body and then you you pick everything and then make it and it's like actually affordable hooked up they also suit my wedding my wedding suit i'm wearing my not sponsored by suit supply suits so mean nobody's ever done this level of customization sixteen mercy on on and off driving at one hundred percent because it was amazing what date it's just let me tell you we just literally just did as tober next year yeah yeah yeah really really fun

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