20 Episode results for "Jennifer Flowers"

WAR OF THE ROSES

Johnjay & Rich On Demand

14:27 min | 9 months ago

WAR OF THE ROSES

"FIGURA host a straight shot. No chaser on the Blackie failed podcast network on Iheartradio we'll cover politics, black lifestyle and food for the soul. Listen stray shot no chaser tesla bigger on iheartradio APP wherever you get your pocket. Not. Only do you need to know if they're cheating you deserve to know the truth? Right now, John Gene Rich. I time for the roses you're in a relationship you think your husband or your boyfriend Chidi on you. So you come to us we're going to hear your story. Then Kyle's go deep undercover. As a person who works at a flower shop she calls your boyfriend or your husband she tells him he won a dozen romantic flowers red red roses long stemmed red roses at a romantic. She wants to find out who he wants to send him to what he wants to put on the card. Hopefully, he says them to you. Christina who do you think is cheating your lives at a boyfriend is a husband. My Boyfriend Rob. All right. Go on the situation. Okay so that might make me sound a little crazy. So I wanNA know what you guys think about but I think. I have some instagram evidence that my boyfriend cheating on me. So, a few weeks ago. We were both invited to this like out of town cabin scripts up north with some friends, the mutual friends, and then some new people to and I couldn't go last minute because I got called into work I'm a nurse and I told my boyfriend that he should go when I kind of encouraged him to go actually I was like oh you'll have fun. You know you'll meet new people that kind of thing and like I'm just going to be at work so it will be boring while you wait around and At work. So I kind of encourage them to go which I regret. And I wasn't sure exactly what was going on like during the trip I heard some vague things about. You know what happens when he came home but you know they they were drinking. I. Don't. I. Don't I wasn't like trying to pry or anything I was just looking at stories on instagram and I didn't know every single person who was there so. I asked him who all went. And he listed like everybody who was there some people? I knew some people I didn't and some of them why didn't know girls and there was this one girl who was in a lot of the pictures like standing directly next to my boyfriend. So I was like, okay. Maybe I'm just being paranoid maybe they just like ended up next to each other and every picture who knows like whatever. So this is probably like. I don't know like ten to twenty different pictures that this is happening in And he was like, Oh, I don't remember her name. So I was like, okay. Didn't think anything of it and it was bothering me. So I realize that she was tagged in the picture. So I go to her facebook profile and I realized that she follows my boyfriend on instagram because I like ventured over to instagram after that I was digging at this point and then. I went through some of my boyfriend's pictures and I realized that this girl her name Sierra satellite she liked every single one of his pictures with me in them. Either pictures of both of us or just pictures of me like no other picture. So if you pictured if he like tagged something random like she wouldn't like it but only pictures with me in them. So I was like what is going on so I don I wanNA know if you guys think this is weird or fun being like insanely paranoid and I fell down a facebook instagram whole 'cause that sounds like something that I would do to somebody if I was being like super passive aggressive. So I don't know it just feels like super often me I. Do. You guys like think that this is a valid thought. Am I being taken? I think I mean if you just just you saying that you saw a lot of pictures of them standing next to each other. That and it gives you a weird vibe I. think that's enough to go to. You Know WanNa know if something's going on. I think the fact that he claimed. He didn't remember her name after spending an entire weekend and being next to her clearly quite a lot of the weekend would take me off as a red flag and then the fact that. She got to know him well enough that she started following him and somehow he still doesn't know who this person is I. Don't know I think that would be shaded to me but it doesn't necessarily mean that they hooked up or whatever. But the fact that he kinda like would I would I think lied about not knowing who was is shady and it could also be like her hitting on him. You know what? I mean like started following him and then went all the way down on his instagram start looking pictures of guys that could also be like her hitting on him and him not necessarily doing anything bad. You never know you know it also could be. The game that you guys talked about that weird game you play. A drinking game. If it was playing this card game or whatever it is, and then it's like, okay, you've gotta go like. The pictures on Instagram of the person to your right? They're boyfriend girlfriend yeah do drink. Dare would if it's because that makes no sense give let's say he's telling the truth. And he's I I, don't know who she is I. I don't remember the name which a weekend trip with the you remember. Forty five people or was it like six people there? You think he'd remember that is fishy I. Hope you have every right to check up. We were totally going to do it but I'm just coming up with loopholes of UAE giving him a little what you're out there. Why would you not you know what I mean that's weird. That's weird. But the only reason that would make sense played the game like if you're a guy listen broadcast, you need that game. For every excuse. For fronted because what? What's the game call? Drink drink drake. Grew forty four houses down? Worth game ever. So. We're going to call rob. Okay. In fight since flowers to what was your name Sierra Sierra. Okay Man All right Christina. So war of the roses continues next which often rich. are in the middle of the Road Christina on the line, she's got a boyfriend rename rob how long has been together Christina Together, for a year a little over four months. Okay. You a bunch of friends. WE'RE GONNA go to this cabin for the weekend and the last minute you got called work as your nurse makes perfect sense and you said rob just go go have fun. If I was rob I would have been like score don't have to go this weekend my girlfriend got called into work and you're like, no, go go so he went. You saw a bunch of pictures posted the weekend. There was a girl standing next to him all the time. He says, he doesn't remember her name. Red Flag. Standing next to him all in all bunch of pictures another red flag, she liked all these pictures on his instagram account. Would you in it red flag lots of red flags the fact that doesn't remember her name. That's that's a bunch of. You got one hundred percent. Every right to check up on her to see who's GonNa send the flowers to so Cali ready I'm ready. Her name is Sierra. Sarah. So we're GONNA find out does he send the flowers to his girlfriend Cristina or does he send him to see era? which sounds like a resort in the woods would you stay Sierra cabins? Sierra Woods. Sheer Pines. Hi. There is rob available. Who Perfect Rob? So it's kind of your lucky day I know this is random. My Name is London I'm with a new company called Jennifer flowers. We've really exciting promotion that you've been chosen for. So you get to be basically are micro influencers. Are We send whoever you want these beautiful romantic red roses and all we ask in return from Europe like no credit card or cash or anything like that. We just hope that you share some whichever social media platform you use the most simple as that. I'm I'm sorry. You kind of said that really fast and I got chosen. How did I get chosen to one flowers or I get the sunflowers if somebody? The second part chosen for this? I'm not really sure they just hand me a list in the morning and then I, feel like I get to make people's Day all day. So basically, what we'll do is you'll choose someone special in your life and they're pretty romantic roses on their own, but you know. Just. Send him out with a little card and you can make it either passionate or fun or flirty depending on. You know whoever you want to send them to and I'm not going to send you a bill. I won't collect any credit card information from you and what we're hoping is that you get such an incredible response because these roses are very impressive that rob you WanNa, share us on you know Instagram, snapchat facebook, whatever you use the most we get marketing out of it, but you could be the man and nobody knows he got it for free? Randomly calling me to give me roses his sentence somebody for free correct. It's a marketing thing for us because you know. Everything's pretty tough right now getting the word out if you will. And we do do contact lists delivery if you're worried about that. Just sounds too good to be sounds like scam. It's absolutely sounds like. Okay I totally understand that but you know the proof will be in the pudding. I. Don't actually ask you for any credit card information and you don't get a bill and then whoever you want to send these to you to make their day. You're you're you're right I'm you know what? Let's go for it? Why not? GonNa Happen. Exactly. So I'm going to send them out with a nice little card and that's just your chance to personalize it You know people say whatever people say some crazy things if you know what? I. Mean some crazy freaky things are just you know romantic stuff. So you let me with message that you want, and then I'll get him send out. Okay. CAN YOU PUT figure. Take a chance. Tan Perfect Okay and then Did you want anything after that or like a love rob or some sort of? Just, Rob hugs and kisses. kisses. And then I just need to know who to address the card to. To Sierra. Anniversary when you really. Right now oh my. Oh my God. Oh my God rob. I cannot believe that you told me that you didn't know her first name you know her first and last name enough to send to. Robes rub you want Wanna and rich right now. Okay and you were telling the entire world that would have peace. Corps. What? You know. What's going on? Yeah you see era you told me you didn't know her name rob and I went on instagram and found her and she likes every. Picture of me not even just viewing may not even have you just of me everything that had me in it. Kinda shady. Does that rob. Jesus you saw that. I'm. Christina Christina nothing is going up I promise nothing happened know what do you mean nothing has happened? Why does he like every single picture of me? It was just a joke listening to me Lytham. Yes I may have said some things to her that were inappropriate or are oh you. I was just joking around. On her but you were just joking around you were joking around him. Well I was at work. Well Yeah I was drunk I was drunk I wasn't serious. I don't give a shit. What are your drunk or sober? Well, I wasn't there and everyone knew that I wasn't. There were people there that know both of us that know that I did this and you did it in front of other people. Are you crazy? How could you think that I wouldn't find out there but nothing happened. Why are you sending? Not. Really an up just did. Drunk right now, waiting for that that as an excuse. What you're doing, he wrote ticket chance. Don't be talent. With your gut feeling, I can be really paranoid I really can. That's why you guys his opinion because this has happened to me before where I'm like out of my mind and I'm making things up in my head and I did not expect it. I really did not expect I expected like some like drinking game thing that you guys brought up before it was like Oh. That's definitely what's going on here. I cannot believe that just happened Oh my God taking I'm so. Sick that they knew each other before the trip or it happened at the trip during the trip i. have no idea honestly because I couldn't find like any other mutual friends between us with this girl I asked him I asked people that were there that I know if they had known her and no one knew who she came with. So I, have no, she just like. Peter goes to the showed up at the cabin Oh, my God I can't even believe I cannot believe this. Now, yeah. Like you like how could no became from had have come with someone she had to be someone's friend or they met her humanity a bar. maybe met her that night. So weird I'll go cheater. Possible, so horrible. I feel like. Like. Cheating is one thing but like betraying and lying about even knowing her name like to go above and beyond to cover your tracks like that means that there was intention there. Her? And stuff like she was trying to get this out in the open. Keeping to it's like it just didn't happen this weekend. He's now sending her roses war. Whatever I can't I can't I'm speechless right now. So am I that's I. Say to you. Thank you for being on our program. Christina. All gear. Thank you for bringing this to light for me. Take care thanks being on the show that's second date update. Now, that's worthy roses dungeon rich.

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WAR OF THE ROSES

Johnjay & Rich On Demand

16:05 min | 8 months ago

WAR OF THE ROSES

"You've worked so hard for all the things have. The salary, the status success. With, that image there's a drink. One wide want to loosen up wanted to take the edge off. But. How do you know what a drink is more than just a drink? We get it we can help. Karen's grandview program has been helping accomplish people just like you regain their lives. Talk to. Visit Karen Dot org slash view. Not. Only do you need to know if they're cheating you deserve to know the truth? Right. Now John Rich except for the roses. DRA is in a relationship. Yeah. High. Do you think your boyfriend or your husband? Are you married? What's what's the story with you? Friends we've been together for five years we've been living together for two. And all of a sudden. Out of nowhere, he started being real weird about his phone so. It's really making me suspicious and I feel like he's cheating on me. and. Thinking that he's GonNa get away with it so. I'll tell you the story. So the other night I grabbed his phone and I I usually do that. So I, grabbed it phone because I wanted to look at it, and then that's when I realized that he changed his password. So the whole time that we've been together and I like look at his phone and stop and it's not a problem and then he changes his talks where just randomly. So I. I say, Hey, why did you change your? Password is there something on your phone that you don't want me to see? And as usual, he calls me ridiculous and that's crazy fight. So it's like back and forth back and forth you know you don't you don't trust me this and that's like I'm upset he slept on the couch at night. The next night we ended up making right so. He like. made me feel better about it and he gave me the new Catholic for phone. Within, the ninety got back from driving Uber eats. And he passed out as soon as he got home he was so tired and I was bored. So I grabbed phone as I do. And you know I start looking around. And then all of a sudden I go into pictures. And I could not believe what I saw on his camera roll their. Photo after photo of this one naked woman. Over and over the same woman naked woman and it's not like it's a professional picture or something Caesar Selfie. These are pictures that we're taken by the woman and like he's he has these pictures in his camera roll and I didn't find like check their email. So like you probably like deleted things you know so I wouldn't be able to see it. But how do you get pictures like that, right? So I know that I didn't find those tax or any other evidence, but she has these nasty picks and it's all the same girl. We got to see these pictures I don't. I don't understand all. Nude sell fees. Explain. Away. Events like up front front of it's like you shouldn't have those pictures on his phone. We shouldn't have saved them. Did you happen to check his instagram lick messages or facebook messages? I couldn't find anything like I. looked at his Yams I looked it. I looked like sex messages and so unless he's like. Really. Sharp. You know what I mean like let me get rid of all the things but pictures I think would be hard to get rid of somebody that you're like you know fool west so I don't know I. I never said anything to him because. I said, you know what? I'm not. I'm not going to like put myself in the position where all I'm GonNa get just a bunch of is because that's what's going to happen. That's what happened. You know the night that he changed his password it's like deflecting deflecting, and so I didn't say anything about it and I've been holding an inside. So this is why I, wanted to do this with you guys because then he won't have any wiggle room and we're gonNA catch him in the Lai and on need to catch him in the Lai which. I wanted to be war of the roses. What does he do for a living because I I do have an idea what does he do for a living? Drives Offer Uber. Okay because I was going to say if he's in the entertainment business for example as I am I have lots of pictures like that people send me that I have saved. I don't know who some of these people are, but I save them I. Have Naked Men and women that I save just because they're beautiful. d'hermes beautiful amazing. Mesagges stumble upon some right now a little bit ago while. I thought well, these are neat. Feat pictures on my phone that I know that my wife would scroll. She'd be like what the hell a lot of them are feet. Right, they're very hard to explain but because she knows about the at unfold foot page, she knows why there's weird feet not weird feet they're beautiful. I don't put weird and. Like healthy. I was trying to think what would be an excuse for him to have. A non outside of him seeing this garage side of the obvious. Why would have naked pictures of a woman on his phone trying to think of an innocent legitimate excuse and I can't think of what he's an artist or sculptor. No I can nights I can only think of one and that is if for some reason he shares what are those family cloud storage is with Percy his brother and his brother's girlfriend. Stretch. Passmore thing too. But then the thing he's got going to get on the naked pictures a be. Changed the password so that's that's the thing too. So he's got two strikes against Cooper if he deleted all of. The message maybe there was tax to or facebook or. Instagram or something like that if he deleted those. Like you would think, you'd be smart enough to at least put the photos in like a hidden folder or something. Unless automatic shape, he knew you were going through his phone. Which makes you think that could be innocent unless he did. So did it on purpose to like? Find All. We'll see who he sends the flowers to Andrea. Okay. Are you ready to this you ready? I Yeah I'd rather now. And what is your boyfriend's name? Derek Derek the one they call Derek. We will call him. Kyle you ready. I'm prepared. All right. We will get him on the phone. So we send the flowers to next which Jane Rich? In the middle of road says you've got Andrea and Derek boyfriend girlfriend for five years living together too long story short there's naked pictures at his phone at the same girl there nude selfies he changes password a little bit ago. They got a huge fight. He slept on the Sofa they made up and then he gave the password but she found these naked pictures and she's pissed she wants to catch him cold blooded Bam. That's it. Are you ready? Okay Hi Is Derek their. Dirk perfect, Height Eric My name's Aurora with the new company were called Jennifer Flowers You've been chosen to be one of our micro influencers and Derek Subaru exciting because you get to send our most romantic roses to whoever you want and it's totally free. All we ask is that you know you throw a little shoutout on social media. All right I'm not interested I. Appreciate you have someone special in your life. This is like an easy way to surprise because like I said, it is super romantic dozen red roses and you don't have to pay for them like I'm not GonNa ask you for credit card information or anything like that. So you get to look like the man Derek and then you don't really have to do much for it. Well it's always a catch things like free drive your surveys, something like that like what? Like it's always a catch I mean there is a slight catch, but it's not really like a survey or anything like that. I. Am innocent the roses out with a nice little card and you gotTa, tell me what you want to put on there but you can get fun flirty sexy on there and that's really all I need to get him sent out. Often do is put something on the car. We and then of course, you know we ask that you put us on social media but we're not gonNA come find you if you don't. All right. Well, I I got something outfit on the connick Guy Something. Like I said, you know people I've really heard it also don't be shy. This is really your chance to just personalise it to whoever you want to send him two and a have that card ready. So we can start with the message ready. Jar Yeah let's let's start with the message. Yeah. We can do that don't judge new and I, WANNA put on their you're my spicy little Mama. I WANNA bust pin. Yada. Love it okay. Here my spicy little Mama and I wanNA bust that Pinata. Okay. Do you want like a love Derek? Sanitation. From Daddy okay. And then who am I addressing this to? Okay. Got a question for you can spread this offer out for like a few different ladies Sir went on we could do like but it would be like a half. Okay. Okay. Okay. see. Jasmine's of. SEMANTICS cintas Samantha Ariana. Shoot shot. Okay and you want the same message on both of their cards. Yep. Exact, same one. What are you doing? Derek. Hello Derek what are you doing? Right. Yeah, it's Andrea. Okay. What what are you doing? What am I doing? What are you doing? How you on the phone call right now. On the radio right now fool. Wow. Wow, you know everybody here. So that's cool. And I suppose you probably gave them a call because you thought I was cheating on your right probably with my phone again like you always do. That thing Tim what you bounce. I've been telling. The same lady naked in your phone like China pictures. A. Bunch of Selfie. A bunch of Soviet, a bunch of pictures, right? That's nobody I pulled him off a damn porn site. I saved them in my phone to teach you a lesson to stop going through my phone and stop thinking of Chino you all the time. I don't believe that. No, you did not. No you did not. Yes I did you got my phone whenever you want to and you start going through it and you read all my Texas my Em's, and every time you expect to find some like you find me cheating on you as not healthy may like it. It's not it's not way. So you knew you knew you knew, did you know you're on the radio? So he made up all those names. That's like like I was totally believing he sent it. All these girls doesn't just wondering if he's like weasling his way out of it right now. Now I knew something was happening because you don't get nothing for free in this world. That's that's for damn sure and it's just all of a sudden. We're talking about me sending something to you know some somebody that I like or or trip come on man no no I knew that was her she had to be behind her somehow I knew it. Okay. So you're now seeing all those girls. No I feel like you're doing a really bad job of reassuring you're. Not Messing around that's. A. Really, good way but it's like it's so essentially he's innocent but he's like Oh What he's doing a really. Still Mad at you you're you're trying to teach her a lesson, but her seen that doesn't how does that make her trust you? It doesn't make her feel good. That's that's the issue idea lack of trust like she doesn't trust me. But the thing is I gave her my my code to my phone like you need to do more than that. She can go to my phone at any given moment need time. But that doesn't mean you should be doing to look for me cheating on you. Why don't you give your linked to the website that you pulled those pictures from? So she can verify from a porn site. we we can go through it together can show her exactly where. It to us to. Be totally sure here. Whatever ever do that to like intentionally hurt me especially because you've been inappropriate before it's not like I'm just pulling out of thin air and you've never cheated when we when we Started dating when we first started dating, you were like texting other girls and you being secretive and like it was like this. Thing and I couldn't get a straight answer out of you I. Already I'm sensitive about those things anyway. So we've been living together for two years and then all of a sudden you change your passcode you know. So what's the? What's the reason for doing that? All of a sudden you know I'm thinking that there's something shady especially because I don't think there's anything wrong with me looking in your phone, you can look at my phone whenever you want you have my code and. Anything. Wrong. We're we're fires, right. So if you want me to feel like comfortable and safe, I don't understand the reason why we should be sharing everything we do live together Josh she she's bringing up she's bringing up the past when we first started talking that is old news old news ancient history is like why you keep bringing that back up if we can't get past this, then I don't think we're GonNa make you been together five years if it's when you first started I, believe I read somewhere that when you start dating someone anyone who get married believe there's a fifteen year window. For What for Mistakes Oh Fidelity. I believe ever that I think it was Oprah got grave bills. Came together for. Just, for the Guy I, think there's zero tolerance Louis see that article. was ship the parents. Guide. WanNa make this work. You have to really work on building that trust backup. If I had done that to you if I had fooled around at the beginning and you felt like all filter and stuff. You might feel if you love me, you might feel like you want to make sure you know that you felt safe and so I just and it doesn't really have you call me ridiculous whenever I feel something and I'm worried because I I care about you I. Love You. So there you have it. You guys got to communicate more yet talked talk it out i. mean it sounds just like what Kyle said. So thank you both go over this Derek. Thank you Andrea thank you going on the air. I got not a problem. Thank you so much for having this man. I know all jacked up but you know I love her. So we're GONNA. Work this out by all right. Thank you help. That's more the roses Jane Rich. You've worked so hard for all the things. The. Salary the status in the success. With that image, there's a drink. One wide want to loosen up wanted to take the edge off. How do you know what a drink is more than just drink? We get it. We can help Karen's grandview program has been helping accomplish people just like you regain their lives. 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4 - Play from the Back

So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

32:56 min | 1 year ago

4 - Play from the Back

"Let me say that while. Wow this evening is young and we don't know yet what the final tally will be. I think we know enough to say with some certainty. That New Hampshire tonight has made Bill Clinton the Comeback Kid. How Bill Clinton hadn't won anything when he gave that speech in New Hampshire during the nineteen ninety-two race? It's that moment is what we're talking about for less than four four in this podcast so you want to be president. Know How to play from the back know how to translate a loss into a win and local police departments received hundreds of calls from burglar alarms every night and more often than not. They have no idea if a crime is actually occurring hiring simplisafe. Home Security is different. If there's a break in simplisafe uses real video evidence to give police eyewitness account of the crime that means police dispatch up to three hundred and fifty percent faster than for a normal burglar alarm. You get comprehensive protection for your entire home outdoor cameras and doorbells alert you to anyone approaching your home home. Entry motion and glass break sensors guard inside plus simply safe protects your home from fires water damage and carbon monoxide poisoning. All of this for just fifty cents a day with no contracts. It's twenty four seven monitoring by live security professionals so I feel more secure at home than ever and it's super easy to set up on your own. No tools needed or simply safe can do it for you. Visit SIMPLISAFE DOT com slash. So you WANNA. You'll get free shipping and a sixty day risk-free trial let them know our show sent you by visiting simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA. That's simplisafe dot com slash. So you WanNa Susan Persio in Beth. Do Join me this week. Susan's our Republican strategist worked for both New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Oh and New York City. Mayor Rudy Giuliani is now a political analyst for NBC News. Beth who is the senior editor of politics at NBC News. Now I had a slight cold one. Two three sat down to talk. It reminds me what Ronald Reagan once said. I did turn seventy five today but remember. That's only only twenty four Celsius by the way it's been in the twenties this week in New Hampshire. Let's set this up. When Bill Clinton ran for President One thousand nine hundred ninety two? He was governor for many years of Arkansas. I got into politics. Six to change people's lives for the better and for eleven years. That's what I've worked to do for better jobs and better education for healthcare to solve social problems to bring people together. That's what what we need to do. In America today put our own house in order to restore the middle class. Reduce Poverty organize this country to compete and win again. I've gotTa Find National Economic Strategy but in the end a plan China's still a piece of paper to change lives. You need vision and leadership in action. That's the work of my life and that's why I'm running for president. How did he stack up in the beginning of that race as he went into? Would Beth against Well people like Bob Kerrey of Nebraska. Paul Sanga semes- just Tom Harkin of Iowa. And of course Jerry Brown was making another comeback right so we were coming out of the Gulf War that first Gulf War that President George H W Bush managed flawlessly two hours ago allied air forces began an attack attack on military targets in Iraq and Kuwait. He had stratospheric popularity ratings. I think at one point. He hit almost ninety percent popularity across the general public five months ago Sadam. MSN started this cruel war against Kuwait tonight. The battle has been joined. A lot of Democrats just looked at that and said there. There is no way that President Bush is is vulnerable. This time so a lot of Democrats took a pass on this race. Most notably Mario Cuomo than the governor of New York who had Looked like he was getting in and then at the very last minute pulled back and decided not to so enter bill. Clinton the story of a young man boone in a small town called. Keep Arkansas the son of a widow at that point was the sort of up and coming Hotshot Young Governor of Arkansas. He had been selected to keynote the nineteen eighty-eight eight Democratic convention in Atlanta. If you're looking at this on television what is this. Got To do with me. If I've got a job for my business is in good shape or my kids kids in college. Why should I worry? I'll tell you why because the children that are in trouble tonight are the workers of tomorrow and it. They can't do the jobs the tomorrow we're all going to suffer. America will not be able to fulfill their scream and it's destiny. People recognized his talent. They recognize his intelligence. They recognized his gift of of speaking of very beautifully key was running against a bunch of characters who weren't necessarily the list of Democrats at that point Tom Harkin. I'm very revered senator. From Iowa but also very very liberal at a time when Democrats were trying to tack to the center in Grade. School sister rose. Angela taught me. You can't be all things to all people. These other candidates say there for the middle class yet they all want more tax breaks for the wealthy and the big corporations. Well they can't have it both ways Jerry. Ground former governor of California the one the political establishment fears most. Jerry Brown had run a couple of other times for Governor Nineteen seventy six and nineteen eighty had had been a fairly successful governor of California but he was still kind of a tagged as governor Moonbeam And then Paul Tsongas. who was a was Coming off a cancer diagnosis. He was a thoughtful smart intelligent lawmaker. But was kind of Debbie Downer. He talked all the time about debt and deficits and not a lot of magic. Not a lot of poetry wholesome. He'll take charge from the start. Paid for by the Sun. So that's kind of the the field. That Bill Clinton was walking into Susan. It was a race that began with people thinking they see as Beth said. You couldn't be George Herbert Walker Bush. He was the war hero. That's right and when in January of Nineteen ninety-two he was up. Forty six percent which was almost a forty percent drop from where he was that August as in one thousand nine hundred one where candidates were starting to make that decision. I I think the Democrats underestimated. Just how weak Bush was at that moment in time because they kept thinking about his popularity in the summer even into the fall but then the economy started to turn and there were two other people who were kind of nipping at his heels. Hi I'm Pat Buchanan. Jeter we can change course force it Pat Buchanan. And then you also had. Ross Perot if we were just praying picnic instead of trying to plan a future for our children chicken and potato chip might be exactly what we need. He was coming in third party. He didn't formally announce until two days after after New Hampshire the New Hampshire primary but he was out there talking a lot he had done a lot of Radio and CNN and he was there talking so but they didn't. I think it was that serious at the time what I want to tell you that I'm a fighter for people. Let's talk about Tom Harkin Here he is. He was the senator from Iowa. Liberal I think by most most standards sometimes use strong language. Sometimes you gotTA use strong language to get it through their thick skulls. What's going on in this country Very big on labor the I would say an unashamed liberal all the way progressive as we say today. Let's listen to them now before. The Iowa caucuses if you move this country forward big changes. I need your help and your support you here in Iowa at these caucuses as I said can fire the first shot fired loudon player and send a message to the rest of the country. We've had enough of Bush. We're proud to be Democrats and so it's traditional values and new ideas traditional values new solutions that we bring the American it can be that will defeat George Bush when the White House said. Did he win the IRA 'cause the end up getting I just checked seventy six and a half percent take your caucus. Did he do it because geography. Oh he was absolutely the hometown favourite. He was favourite. Sign all the Democrats decided not to play in Iowa so he we had the field to himself. He also had a large War chest going into this as a senator so if you remembered what I thought you today in the evening remember one thing George. Her Hoover Bush is out there tonight of the Caucasus. The only other person in the political world out there. It was a Joe Swig. Cover one of the great boys in the bus and nobody else was covering it because the homestate guy the favorite son was supposed to win it. Yeah and and that actually was a great blessing for these other Democrats in the field because as you guys know. The Iowa caucuses are so labor intensive there so money intensive. It's so so hard to play in Iowa to win and if you have an excuse not to if you can say well. That guy's the hometown favourite. He's the favourite son. I'm not even going to bother and then shift your resources over to New Hampshire and to those later states. It's it's a huge advantage for other Democrats and not have to having to compete there while since we're studying Bill Clinton WHO has a political genius in many ways Still as I think. How did he know that he skipped biowar- well he knew because Harkin was GonNa win it And he knew that the action was going to be in New Hampshire. That was where he had the chance to prove his case to make the case that he could be electable across a broad spectrum trauma voters we forget now. Because we think of New Hampshire is being kind of a blue or purplish. Blue State at the time New Hampshire was was fairly conservative Because cousin New Hampshire Independents can vote in either primary. And there's so many Such a large percentage of new of New Hampshire voters are independence it could potentially attract sort of these moderate middle of the road folks who lived in Iowa but could respond to Bill Bill Clinton's message so that's why he thought that was fruitful ground for him here is Here is Tom. Argon the winner in Iowa Iowa the Caucasus in one thousand nine hundred two on C. Span after his win and I well He. He was asked at that point about his plans. Is the campaign. Move to New Hampshire the following week. Well I'll be in New Hampshire all week and my wife and I campaigned getting my message through the people up there and I think that message has been a little oh muted perhaps distorted because of all the static. That's been in the air because of well. Some of these other things have been happening in the campaign if you know what I mean. Well what was this data. He was talking about. We all know. Now Yeah it was Jennifer flowers. I will start by explaining why came forward to tell my story about my affair with Governor Bill Clinton. There was rumors at the time that he was having an affair affair. Yes I was Bill Clinton's lover for twelve years and for the past two years. I have lied to the press about a relationship to protect him. The truth is I loved him now he tells me to deny it. Well I'm sick of all of the seats and I'm sick of all of the lies. Well that was dramatic. I'm not sure you've got a big fresh pickup and like the New York Times but I'm sure it was around an tabs but Getting the jump on that press conference the very night before on sixty minutes I think one of the if not the top rated television show there was and is Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton showed up together in a united front. And here they are. Who is Jennifer flowers you know for you? Know How would you describe your relationship. A very limited But until this you know friendly but limited I had I I met her in the late. Seventy s when I was attorney general. she was one of a number of young people who are working for the television stations around Little Rock and People in in politics and the people in the media knew each other then just as they do now She left our state And for years I didn't really hear from her. No what she was doing Then she came back Sometime a few years ago and went to work again in the state So that's how that's who she is. was she a friend and acquaintance. Does your wife know yes sir. She was an acquaintance. I would say a friendly acquaintance. She's alleging and is described in some detail Elena supermarket tabloid which she calls a twelve year. Affair with you. Allegation is false. This caused a concussion and Bill Clinton's campaign. It wasn't long before a second scandal broke. We'll see how it set the stage for the emergence urgence of the Comeback Kid in a moment. Stick around just before the New Hampshire primary in one thousand nine hundred ninety two. ABC News Broke Rocca. Big Story Young Bill Clinton had written a letter to the commander of the ROTC at the University of Arkansas thanking him for quote saving me close quote from the draft draft. Dodging should have been critical challenge for the Clinton campaign. He somehow got through that and on that Saturday. Right before the New Hampshire primary I and a lot of other reporters were following him around as he decided to go door to door handing out discs. I think they were. DVD's of a campaign message. He said he couldn't get through the regular media that the mainstream media was holding him up not letting him get back to the real issues of the campaign and of course we trooped along like lemmings covered him saying that we weren't letting him get his message across. It was the best thing I I wanted the best things I've seen my kids tried to explain mad at the high explained what that was because it was something beyond the norm in politics to us. Jujitsu style used the critics of the people. He's posing his are his critics as a way of foils and we all play our parts. Well President isn't trump of course. Does that with great success now but this is you know. Many many years later Bill Clinton doing what you're describing was was quite novel at that point but it also speaks Chris. I think to the fact that he was not going to quit. Despite these double barreled huge accusations at the time one of you know this long lasting in real extramarital relationship and that he'd Taken Steps in and had solicited help and getting out of Vietnam and being saved from the draft enormously. That would kill any candidate. Probably one or the other was phil normal candidate both of them. Coming double-barreled Bill. Clinton was not giving up proof. He's both free. The key is sticking with it. And he's taking you guys on this crazy. Walk through through New Hampshire dropping off. DVD's he's in talking into every voter at every Dunkin donut you know. Open twenty four hours in in New Hampshire. He was not gonNA quit. That is a huge reason. Why we're having this conversation conversation? Just his durability his in his focus and all the techniques we know in politics like his answers because Jefferson Thomas Jefferson said. The whole art of politics is the art of telling the Truth and Harry said that allegation is false. The twelve year affair is a false amid may even eleven years of three weeks. Who knows but he wasn't denying the whole thing he was just the way he was denying? And everybody got the message that they were friendly Blah Blah Blah. The draft letter was a harder spin much harder. It wasn't much harder spin but just to go back doc about how he handled the Jennifer Flowers interview on sixty minutes heating. Just have his wife sitting nicely beside him which we typically you see the spouse to. She was advocating and basically saying I'm here next him so if I can forgive him if there's any issue to be forgiven given so can you. So let's move on you know I'm not sitting here. Some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette. I'm sitting here because I love him and I respect back to him and I honor what he's been through and what we've been through together and you know if that's not enough for people then heck don't vote for him now. The judging the draft was huge. Because let's not forget. This would have been. He would be the first president if elected who didn't serve. And that was something of big concern especially especially as Beth points out going into New Hampshire where you have a more conservative base if you will so he just plowed through it. He would not here no and a lot of ways it is like Donald Trump in that you can have all the noise you want but he went through it the only thing that I wonder today looking back is there was no Fox News. Fox News didn't come around until four years later there was the media and how it followed. It was very much mainstream network News newspaper articles. I don't know if he could have survived with that constant badgering intimidate. You can happen. I the history helped the bit because the Cold War was over when Yeltsin stood up to the tanks the Red Army that was the end of the Cold War and the idea of you have to have a soldier as commander in chief. which had Zeus set the pattern since all the way since World War Two? Everybody's been military person of some sort. Anyway New Hampshire did have it say in Nineteen ninety-two and this is the man. New New Hampshire chose the New Hampshire Prime Nineteen ninety-two because I think finally the American people want economic truth. There comes a point. It's like having cancer. The comes a point when you get over being scared you go the doctor and say tell me the truth. Let's deal with it. Let's recognize it. Let's deal with overcoming overcoming. We've gone through twelve years of Voodoo economics debt debt debt. It's GonNa kill us and now we're being off democratic twinkie economics enough. Let's deal with the reality. It's face up to it and we can be the greatest economic power on earth without question as long as we have the leadership and I intend to provide that leadership. Thank you very much Bill Clinton. That was Paul Sanger's the former senator from Massachusetts. You said running on Neil Liberal some Downer message that we got to cut entitlements and all that stuff that'll Democrat wants to hear that He won by eight points Jesse who we known it was his press secretary needs to run a Renos ads of him diving into a pool and I think it was loop so he died three times. There was like a four second tape. Ah Diamond Book. He had been diagnosed with cancer. We it was very precarious health and turned out. He was really sick. Died what five years later but it was a real issue and is my friend had said he had an aunt just proves Kennedy hit approve. He was alive which was pretty rough. Right you WANNA start from table stakes that you're alive But yeah that those all that video that we saw Paul Songas doing his daily Mile Swim was was smart. It did it did sort of camouflage the fact that his health was it quite precarious but honestly I think the bigger issue I mean. Yes he did win New Hampshire. He was from Massachusetts. So that you know sister state connection helped it definitely was a bit of a loss for Clinton one could argue. Because until the whole Jennifer flowers dodging the draft Stories came out he was leading. Paul Sanga by double digits in that state so bill. Bill Clinton did have a precarious fall but he did well enough and because he is that political genius as you described Chris he could grab that moment and say hey coming in tech and here really really is like coming in. I and not many people can pull that off. But in Bill Clinton's case he could and he was of course helped by the fact that as we were saying that that message from Paul Tsongas you know dead. Dead Dead. Were drowning in debt. That's not a winning message for Democrats going into a national race and it was pretty clear that night that it was not going to be that kind of winning message. So I'm sitting there in New Hampshire that night and I was hanging out with Jerry Brown Palam. I liked them. Use it a pool room somewhere. He wasn't gonNA play that night. Bill Clinton was the star and the reason I think he grabbed the media and he got the Comeback Kid message out he command early ten o'clock at a big rally. All set up the come out before the evening news local news he came out and said I'm not not comeback kid before anybody else and as you point out that he did lose by eight points to Paul Tsongas but there's a lot of spin here the way he just declared himself himself the winner in the media wanting early headline gave it to him. Well that's what a great politician. Does they change the narrative to what they want to be and his his message was they threw everything at me and they didn't knock me Dan and it worked. It's what allowed him to go forward with it and what it was just lying till the last dog dies just like that. This is a tough campaign but at least I approved one thing I can take a punch anyway. Various Bill Clinton I was at the Good Morning America studio right across the river there along with US factory buildings there and I was sitting there with bill. Bennett the conservative commentator and in walks guy when about eight guys around him all all and blue blue suits all look like winners. I mean they look like winners. It was Bill Clinton and he came and he saw some donuts sitting there on the table and he grabbed the handed handful or so of them and and he was a winner and he came on as the winter a little bit later. A very quiet skinny guy came in with a book bag over his shoulder. One staffer with them. It was Paul Tsongas acting like he didn't actually win and he came over to me and said do you think I can have donut. I said sure champ. That's and how much of this Beth is just sheer physical body English. Just I one look at me. He knew how to leverage that moment for all it was worth as you describe coming out early calling himself the Comeback Kid going on TV the next morning and one of the major morning shows with the swagger. It's as important as that night. You have to come come out looking like a winner sounding like a winner behaving like a winner. He was doing that pulse. August was not yeah. Well let's listen to part of that speech that he began with that night. At ten o'clock election-night New Hampshire Primary Nineteen ninety-two. There are so many people. I have to thank the getting with the person who's up here with me tonight. The without whose love and friendship over nearly like twenty years I wouldn't be here tonight. Wouldn't be fit to be here tonight making that there's there's so many levels to that Bill Clinton wouldn't be fit in other words if she hadn't done the sixty manage show whether you could say was one interpretation the other is there just lovers and their husband and wife wife and what's what's new pussycat. I mean this is the way it is now. This may have been the original art of the deal. The fact that he end in Hillary were so much of a team and soon together and basically joined at the hip saying we are the team. We are the winners that gave him a lot of credibility going forward. It's also true well exactly breath. It is true they were political unit. They were local unit. They continue to be. They continue to be today day. A political unit but honestly once you think about it you know. In retrospect her campaigns for president were always sort of shattered and dogged by the fact that he had stuck with him while that helps perhaps with a lot of voters who admired the loyalty and that marriage is marriage. And you know till death. Do you part two others. It looked a little calculating and looked a little too ambitious and that she needed to be in his life because she had ambitions that went beyond him and she could not fulfill those ambitions if she left him so there was a sense of being a little bit too transactional with the two of them. But you know we look at it now all these many years later twenty eight years later. They're still together. A lot of political couples who seemed to have more traditionally Mar Loving marriages have since split up and the Clintons are still there so true. Al Gore people like that marriage divorces sources normal. Let's take a look at how he came. Out of that New Hampshire win. Put the quote marks around air quotes. Let's say about how he pivoted to the rest of the campaign which by the way they won one big. They beat an incumbent president pretty dramatically. They wanted the help of Ross Perot you mentioned the pole took away good chunk nineteen points of the votes but they one and they had a pretty successful presidency. We began this campaign in New Hampshire fighting for the forgotten middle class. People who've been left out and left behind here people who never gave up on me are themselves or their country. You People here in New Hampshire have continued to fight in the face of layoff cutbacks and foreclosures and a president. Who hasn't cared and I want to say this to you for the first time in my life after being in seventeen other campaigns three days in a row I have met three Americans who broke down crying telling me about their problems? I want you to remember this. Whatever the final outcome of the vote unlike this President I will never forget New Hampshire? Well Bill Clinton went under stack up. Winds especially in Super Tuesday year won the nomination of course and the White House. Of course that November was he a winner because of his approach approach the beginning. What happened all the other guys running against them? What happened to Bob Carey and Harkin and Saugus they all they all seem to fade quickly after that after that night and there were a few small Smaller primaries but Super Tuesday is. What did it because there was that southern strategy they group they think it was nine nine or eleven primaries together to show their strength and Clinton sweeped up but in that clip you just played what's really stands out to me is? He changed get again the narrative to say I am going to take on President Bush. And here's how and he changed the conversation to the economy on me and he was relatable we talk a lot about who's genuine on the campaign trail and he had that and people were drawn to it. I think at the Two questions we love to people in voting are we going in the right direction great. NBC question and the other one does this candidate care about you. People like you and I think Clinton always one on that one he did. I mean Bill. Clinton was the master of the biting of the LIP Looking deep into a voters is when responding into a to a question I mean he was. He was very gifted at that. People wore out a little bit on that stick after a while when he was in office for eight years and eventually finally went through impeachment and suddenly all this all this behavior that seems so authentic When we were all first getting to know him as a national figure started seem a little calculated did? But there's no question that in his initial stage as a as a first time candidate when all of us Americans were were viewing him he did seem to possess the sort of unusually and Bethesda style particularly in that case where were the incoming president. George Bush seemed very patrician very very haughty a little kind of old old school in that he didn't really have the personal touch. Bill Clinton was younger. He was a different generation. Plus that empathy. That you describe Chris let me go back to something. Something about empathy and Bill Clinton's ability to to be the person that people watching wanted him to be. I think they I think they want it. Says I think they wanted him to be the Comeback Comeback Kid. A lot of that campaign is I remember was generational and all of us gathering around Bill Clinton in those high school gyms and field houses college field. Houses we'll send him stand in the middle of the room as long as the audience would stay there with him and he would like the point you were making about. I'm not going to quit. And he was the only one of our I remember. I was sitting there with Rick Hertzberg. I'd worked with at the White House harder White House and he said nobody my generation can do that. Would Bill Clinton could do which is to say there and sustain deign against all this personal stuff you know going out your love life if you will going up to your draft record for for minutes awful personal stuff and he just stood there and he went in and I think your point about durability Beth I think made people begin to root for him. Yeah they love. Everybody loves the Comeback Story. Sorry it's hard to remember this now because we were so used to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and the Clintons have been in our political life for for decades now but at the time. This was all very new. People were using something they hadn't seen before somebody who was on the one hand very relatable who would stand there and answer your questions until everybody left the room Going into the Dunkin donuts talking to the person sweeping the floor to get their vote. That was also new at the time and it was it was fascinating it was gripping and voters responded to it. Certainly the media responded to it but but I will say and T- to Susan's point about you know the lack of of of Fox News existing. Then I think it's safe to say that the election of Bill Clinton and the emergence of Hillary Clinton at the time was one of the most galvanizing moments for what would become conservative. Media has a lot of conservatives hated the two of them and it was very easy to sort of make aac them the the boogeyman for for conservative Commentators and ultimately when Fox went on the air they were a very easy target by that point conservatives. There's very fed up with the Clintons. Scott Fitzgerald said. There's no second acts in American life. I think the Clintons beat that one by a lot. But there's also something else I mean we talked about the generational. Don't think let's not forget. President Bush at the supermarket with the scanner to remember that moment. Press Yup and it showed how out of touch he was but he was also being treated like a pin and Yada he had it coming from back to my point he was not the media favorite night campaign. He wasn't he was dealing with with the Democrats he was also dealing with the Republicans and he was dealing with. Ross Perot and especially the read my lips no new taxes and that was the economic message that Herod Him on going people going to. Ross Perot for and his time was up. I think you guys are great. I love talking about discus. I think we're talking about a person at strategy. It worked for that person. I wonder if anybody else will ever be able to do as well as Bill Clinton did the night of the New Hampshire Primary Nineteen ninety-two thank book. Thanks Chris so you WANNA be president. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. That win next time less than five winning candidates no to mount the galloping horse of history. I'm not satisfied until every American. Enjoy his constitutional right. I think we can do better. I don't want the talents of any American. Go to wait so you want to be president. I'm Chris Matthews host of hardball on. MSNBC thanks for listening snake. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This week on on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. 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He's now finally agreed to hold his very first press conference. No president last hundred years has waited. this long. have a formal press conference. It's gonna be next thursday at march twenty fifth now. Do you remember when in february the daily beast. I broke the story that the white house tried to set the precedent for circle back. I'll circle back. I'll circle back circle back with you. Jen psaki the white house. Press secretary daily briefings. She tried to set the precedent that you know reactions that maybe they would provide the questions in advance so that she won't have to circle back so much remember. The reaction from reporters was quote mixed. Which means i guess that some are actually willing to go along with that plan but yet they call themselves journalists now. It'd be one of the things that you normally wouldn't agree to i. Look i'm i'm always will forever be convinced that george stephanopoulos is the same guy that would get on the phone with bill clinton and let's see rama annual dead fish and and john podesta and our old friend james carville every day and the same guy in the in the video you can buy it online war room. That was say you'll never work in this town again. If you're a reporter. I think it was the jennifer flowers thing at the time threatening. Reporters wonder how that would go over in this day and age instead effects with names addresses phone numbers of of who you had an affair with. It would make a true. It is completely you went on the radio and said that bill clinton attacked the father village. Black child you would be laughed at. He would think you're crazy. I guarantee you that if you this you'll never worked in democratic politics and oh you never work in politics again. Never work again. I'd say that's more warranties complaining that well what did we learn this week about cuomo. The people calling around saying what's your support for cuomo vaccines do you need. And that was part of the question. Now we learned today to of. We'll get to this a little later. They were apparently there was a plan. Being bantered about on how to destroy the crowd credibility of the first woman this woman lindsay boylan who made the allegations against andrew cuomo immediately opting the clinton attack playbook that is this credit intimidate and destroy the first accuser. That now that also has come out this week. I don't see many where where is commonly harris on this. I don't think she's ever been asked by anybody away. So that did come up so the question is will the suck up. You know biden media. You know the ones that put him allowed him to stay in the basement bunker with the basement bunker mentality during the whole election. I called it. The candidate protection program. The big tech media mob candidate protection program. That one they didn't really we didn't get answers about the filibuster ending. The legislative filibuster did we before the election. We didn't really get answers to dc and puerto rico and statehood did we. We didn't really get questions about an answers to the question about packing the courts. Now all the gym on the table. You know biden actually lied through his teeth to george stephanopoulos. He said in the debate in september. He told them he said. Tell if you're fleeing oppression you should come is what he said but i would do as president several more things because things have changed. I would in fact make sure that there is. We immediately surged to the border. All those people are seeking asylum. They deserve to be heard. That's who we are. We're a nation. Says if you want to flee and your frame oppression. You should come. Wow this is what he said to george. Stephanopoulos seems to be getting worse by the day. Was it a mistake. Not day anticipate this urge. First of all there was a surge the last two years and and and nineteen and twenty there was a surge as well might be worse. No well it could be. But here's the deal. We're sending back people for first of all the idea that joe biden said calm. Because i heard the other day that they're they're coming. Because i'm a nice guy and i won't do this. Yeah well here's the deal. They're not even have to say quite clearly. Don't com yes. i can say quite clearly. Don't come on. We're in the process of getting set up stone. Leave your town or city or community process. Were setting up okay. Well we're going to give you. What engraved invitations later. Well how's that going to help. Americans that are out of work because of the pandemic or the all the workers that were working building the construction while that have now been given pink slips or all the workers in the energy sector. I don't know but back to this thing. So i have no trust in george stephanopoulos of well. What are the topics. You like to cover george anything. That conversation took place. I don't know i'm a little suspicious. But you know the daily beast not exactly conservative guy. Who news even picked up the story. And i'll read verbatim with less than two weeks till the president biden's administration reports raising concerns that the white house press office staffers trying to get them to give advance notice on which questions they. They plan on asking briefings during a white house. Correspondents association zoom call last friday reports brought up the issue of sakis team trying to coax their questions out of them ahead of time. Multiple sources telling the daily beast that the leaders of the white house. Correspondents association advised reporters to push back or not to respond to such request quote. While it's a relief to see briefings return. What do you what do you mean relief. Donald trump had a briefing almost daily. But anyway the press can't really do its job in the briefing room of the white house is picking and choosing the questions that they want one on name. White house correspondent telling the daily beast. That's not really a free press at all eric. Deputy press secretary in the obama. White house defended the practice of screening. Questions this is book communications work. The briefing becomes meaningless. If the press secretary as to repeatedly punt questions instead of coming up equipped to discuss with journalists are reporting on that how we say. It's actually just standard operating procedure. Because i don't think there was any heads up giving anybody i'll ask sarah huckabee sanders and i'll ask kayleigh mcenany. And alas sean spicer. Because i doubt they got any of these questions ahead of time and in a non cove environment this this would happen in casual conversation throughout the day and and lower and upper press and one of the few upsides to reporters hovering over your desk. All day is that you get a very quick sense of what they are working on later in the day. Several current former white house correspondent so. It's a legitimate question based on the daily beast story and what they're saying. Look i want to get to this issue though and this is everything we told you about everything we warned you about is now becoming a scary nightmare scenario reality and that was before the election like we talked at length about ending the legislative filibuster. We didn't get that answer from the biden campaign. We got it last night. We wanna make it harder and well. That's what joe manchin said. That means that they're going to filibuster beating up to keep talking and talking and talking to tie things up and ideas to make it impossible because how long can one senator stand up and talk Without actually leaving the chamber to even go to the bathroom i mean. That's how bizarre that would get which is one of the reasons. I'm sure they probably did it. Member we've been watching all of these executive actions that joe biden themselves said. I'm not a dictator. I gotta get the votes. He's now legislating through executive fiat. And the stroke of a pen. Unconstitutional is that is and you don't really see many democrats upset that he's completely a co equal branch of government that being the legislative branch Then everything that they're trying to pass. They're willing to use the reconciliation process. As a means of bypassing the sixty votes needed to move the bill forward apparently planning on using it a lot The issue of core packing is being investigated. Dc and puerto rico. Statehood is now being investigated using everything reconciliation. We're gonna use. What a simple majority and the legislative filibuster pass. hr one. Which would i believe is serve the constitutional authority given state legislatures. That wouldn't be good either now. There was some pushback finally Mitch mcconnell has answered and he is said yesterday that if they scrapped the filibuster that they won't 'cause quote a one hundred car pileup for bills in congress mitch. Mcconnell further goes on defending the procedure. Now mitch mcconnell member. President trump was pressuring him all throughout his presidency to get power back. They're going to do it. You might as well do yourself. That was president trump's argument anyway but this is the procedure that that requires sixty votes to consider a bill. Now dick durbin. We have on record. He's actually commented. As has for example. Chucky schumer and amy klobuchar. Hr now it's interesting. Republicans have controlled the senate in two thousand eighteen and well. All of these democrats are against the eliminating. The the filibuster. They're all against lending eliminating the legislative filibuster. Well let's play them two years ago versus now two and a half years ago versus now. What about that. Nuclear option doing away with the filibuster. Well i can tell you that would be the end of the senate as it was. Originally devised created going back to our founding fathers. Today's filibuster often used to prevent the senate from even starting to debate important ideas. It's not the garin terror of democracy. It has become the death grip of democracy. I said let's not do the supreme court. We should have sixty votes which we still do because we should get bipartisan support. Our republican colleagues will work with us to produce that change. We will try to get them to work with us but if not we will put our heads together and figure out how to go and everything is on the table the points we still left the sixty votes in place for the supreme brubeck. Mcconnell change that. I would prefer to bring it back. We are where we are. And now i don't think anyone's gonna win the hamstring themselves. I favour getting rid of the filibuster. I think too much we to do for this country. Oh because what we're doing is way more important than what republicans were doing when they had control of the chamber now. Mcconnell said if they do this that they would he would then resort to using every arcane senate rule available one of by the way one rule even requires unanimous consent to turn the lights on in the chamber before noon. We will use every other rule to make tens of millions of american voices be heard this chaos would not open up an express lane to liberal change. It will not open up an express lane for the biden president to presidency to speed into the history. Books this senate would be more like one hundred car pileup nothing moving i hope republicans stick to that i would like to see joe mansion and senator cinema. Keep their words but who knows right. You never know. Joe manchin and anyway dick durbin called on his colleagues to join him and eliminating the filibuster or the calling reform. It's making a mockery of american democracy. Well that was the whole point. The senate chamber was designed by our framers specifically to be the more deliberative body than its counterpart in the house. All right the joys of taxis and right pulling out all receipts filling out endless forms and trying to get it all submitted before that all important deadline now the only thing that could make the whole process more fund is if identity thieves somehow get a hold of the tax forms with your personal information. Guess what then. 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I don't know why everybody saint patrick's day there. Was this obsession every bar. Every restaurant selling disgusting looking green beer. I don't want green beer. I like beer not being green. That's my own personal preference. Oh man and people drink a little too much at the parade and yeah you know you see these. The larry's little sections and streets in new york of green puke just is so horrible man city was what twelve million people in on a working day. It's just getting into the city on saint patrick's day was always an unmitigated disaster. Just like on the day. They liked the christmas tree at rock center in new york. Unbelievable anyway so. Let me get back to what it is that. They're they're democrats doing here because this is critical. Of course they want to end the legislative filibuster. Of course the use reconciliation. Of course they'll use executive action. Of course they're gonna they're gonna. They're going to have a study of court packing which they want to do. Of course they want dc statehood puerto rico statehood. of course. they'll use reconciliation. This is the biggest power. Grab in the history of this country when you add. Hr one to this. Which would say no voter. Id at all no signature verification at all. no meaning you're not gonna have any integrity or confidence and election results. Moving forward institutionalized mail in voting. Okay with no id's at all everybody's automatically registered felons get to vote. I mean this is the single biggest attempt to turn america into their socialist utopia and be a one soc united socialist states of america through the biggest power. Grab in the history of this great democratic republic. Hey everybody. I'm candace owens. Over the past few years we've created something really special together. You've rallied around me as i've called out to lies and you've cheered me on as i've stood up to the corruption of the media and big tech but now more than ever they wished to silence us they don't want me to have a voice and more importantly they don't want you to be able to hear it but we aren't backing down. Our voices will be heard this exactly. I am launching my new show candice with the daily wire. I'm so excited for you to join me. Each week as i welcome powerful voices a talk about the important issues breakdown down what's actually happening in our country and trust me. We're going to laugh lot along the way. Kansas unfiltered and on cancelable. For on this ride together. I'll see you there. My full show is available to daily wire members. Only go to daily wire dot com slash. Subscribe and use code. Sean for twenty five percent off your daily wire membership today are we met at the either. I used to drive. My grandfather had a bit of an irish accent. And you just had funny sayings. I mean it was amazing people. My grandparents also came from ireland All four came without any money and they both came from two different counties. It's interesting the story and you know like ten bucks in their pocket. That's it and they landed in america. They never got wealthy. They never you know. I know i stand on their shoulders. The courage took it. Age is to make that trip across the same income into the country. Legally i wanted to be very clear about something. I support legal immigration. I do and they face their challenges. My parents both grew up. Pretty poor and i know i stand on the shoulders of all of them for any any of the blessings. I have in my life because they work hard And never you know. Sacrifice their lives for future generations. So many of us. Whatever your background is. You have similar stories to tell the american story so many different ways and it is it. Is this belief that our rights. As as americans come from god not from government our belief that god created every man woman and child our belief that it got instilled in every person talent are believed that limited government liberty and freedom allow people to find their gifts their talents. Whatever unique talent scott gave them and bring it to fruition difference. Well what about the people. That aren't good people all. Yeah that's the story of the human existence man's imperfections original sin if you want to get into real religious parlance in some way and the idea that out of imperfection we want to work in our lives to become more perfect but human beings. Yeah we we have the right the side good and evil and in my christian faith teaches us that you know you learn to forgive others as you are forgiven and strive to be better. I i never liked the perception of you. Say you're a christian. All look at that hypocrite inc. I just have a very different take on what christianity is versus. What people say that it is and maybe maybe they just believed some stridency of some people that claim to be christian. And maybe don't show it in in all the ways that others would like but the idea is that you would admit that you need help. Want to be better and desirous of being your better self and finding the reason that you wear even here on this earth one of the things what separates us from the animal kingdom. It is that we have a an awareness. A consciousness that we are in existence. Do we have the ability to ever understand. God universes within universes within universes within universes and the majesty creation now. But that's where this word faith comes in. I don't wanna get off too much on a tangent here. But anyway it's saint patrick's day and not gonna miss linda. How bad of some saint patrick's day ban in new york. I mean my wrong. Every year i think every single one that i've been in new york city on saint patrick's day somebody that drank way. Too much. green beer throws up somewhere. And you either you pass by and see it it. Is that not true. Meeting up just to be clear. The parade itself is fantastic so the parade is a parade on that. But go ahead. That's just an overarching thing that you have. But i'm saying the parade is really nice. You know it's all it sort of you know. Honors first responders police firemen. You know things like that. It's really really nice. Happens on the bar crawl that follows the parade where people who might not necessarily have anything to do with the parade decided to take the day off from work and they frequent every pub every irish pub and there was a lot of women new york city and they just stayed there all day long. And there's all kinds of specials and drinks and green drinks and turns into lots of green sidewalks. So that's true. Yeah greenside it's very delegate way of putting it for you you get a major a plus for that. Listen it's three o'clock. I'm very sensitive to the toilets. No twelve thirty on the west coast. People probably now unlined to get in and out burger kids over. You're getting. I don't know blair on the exorcist. Remember that scene where i've never circles. And she projectile line. Angry that greenpeace soup. It's kinda like that. Enjoy your burger by two o'clock. Most people actually like that you. I don't know why come from jersey and like all of new jersey on the train would become an into new york. It landed on a weekend. I was always so happy. My gosh. that'd be the worst day so funny Well anyway happy saint patrick's day. But you know it's just interesting to learn to know about your. I know ancestry. Dot com is such a thriving business and growing business and learning about your found. That's what we love legacy box dot com by the way slash. Hannity have a fifty percent off deal coming today and you take every family photo you have in. Your attic arise closet. Whatever every video you have you put it in a box. They digitize it all by hand. You preserve your originals and you're preserving family memories for for literally future generations so they'll be able to see grandma grandma grandma grandma. Great great great great great grandmas and just i. I'm fascinated by it. Its interests me. One part of me doesn't kind of feel worthy of like you know i've been i've had such a on one level a life that my i know my parents never have had. They didn't take by new cars until much much older and they just didn't do it. No money for vacations. That just wasn't didn't exist. And they world than the money that they did make the put their their kids through catholic school educations and struggled to do that work a lotta overtime for that and it was a big deal for my mom to leave the south. Bronx fatherly bed. Stuy brooklyn after serving four years in the pacific in world war two and i think getting a fifty by one hundred lot house and raising their kids and i know my dad was proud of that and he should be it's and what are we all want us parents. We want the best for our kids. That's why now the intersection between politics. And i it's so it's it is like a razor's edge difference with the human existence because we've seen what oppression or authoritarianism or communism or state is you know can do. I mean i wrote my book deliver us from evil last century alone. One hundred million human souls were were murdered under some ism. Communism mao china stolid russia. Nazi ism ism. We deal today. Radical islam ism and there are people that want power sick twisted ideologies. My my biggest fear of socialism is always ends in failure whatever name whatever manifestation all the promises are amazing. You don't have to worry about anything and then it ends up. You never get what they promised. Sorta like you. Don't get to keep your doctor plan and save money and so i like social security's headed for bankruptcy and medicare's headed for bankruptcy sorta like. Oh you can't even keep maintain law and order and safety insecurity in big cities and towns. All across the country usually run by liberal democrats for decades states run by liberal democrats for decades or or the educational system. I mean it's. It's a disaster. The politics intersection. There is that you have the unholy alliance teachers unions and and democrats and the monies that go to elections and it just it all filters in why are some states so wide open and their schools have been open. Since august for crying out loud it's unbelievable but we can all be our better selves. One thing via to give advice to anybody. I don't care who you are we come from. Is this too many examples of too many people that come from the worst backgrounds and environments that end up overcoming circumventing circumstances and are able to somehow take advantage of this the greatness that is america first step in that is to own it yourself. Which a lot of people you know might be resistant towards. I don't know why live your own life fine. Those talents that god gave you education degree. Latin bring forth from within you. You have them every one of you. Listening to me. Has gifts has talents. Whatever it happens to be the greatest thing in life is when you meet somebody in the course of this life that that has found their passion their calling whatever it happens to be maybe to be a great teacher maybe to be a minister called to the ministry. Maybe it is to be a fireman. Maybe it's to be a policeman. Maybe it's to be a first responder. Maybe an emergency medical service person that brings people back to life. Maybe a medical researcher. And i was looking at some of the the work that they they've been doing in israel on covert and they have a. I think it's now stage to trial headed towards it. They believe they have found what potentially can be a cure now. Thirty people have tried this treatment. That have that have severe or really severe covid and all thirty cases. The people lived so only thirty people. But it's that kind of innovation genius. You know you. The person that developed it has studied as one particular protein for twenty straight years one little protein. And now maybe it's paying off and maybe lives will be saved in the course of the pandemic. I mean that's incredible to me. Just mesmerizes me. I love stuff like that. You know the idea if you ever take. You don't have a a telescope. You need to get one so greatest coolest thing ever especially at night and you go outside and you don't even did not. You can buy inexpensive ones because these even the expensive ones a really. Some of them are really good. You can research it online. You can research anything online and and you just you know. You can see the craters when you look at the moon. I know it's nuts right. Think how great. The human ingenuity is god given talents of great scientists and they actually had the audacity to think. We're not only going to fly there. We're going to fly there. We're gonna land gonna turn around and we're gonna come home. We're gonna get home alive. that's kind of. Let's see kind of amazing. I don't know. I all these people wanna do it like individually. I want elon. Musk i guess is one of them. I think i'll pass myself on the idea of getting one of those one of those planes one of those rocket ships. I think i gonna pass. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be cheering from the sideline. I don't have the desire to do that. but i meyer the people that do all i see. Kamala harris just dodged questions about the border crisis. reporter asked if she's concerned about the children detained. I haven't been briefed on anything today about it. But i but i wanna get on the plane. Wow hasn't hasn't given a word. She's not an i believe wrong cuomo. Gop senators say biden's decision block border wall. Construction was illegal got shelley moore capito and forty senators now. Asking the government accountability office to investigate. That's going to be interesting to watch out. Half of those surveyed rasmussen don't believe biden is actually in charge of his presidency. Wow seventy five percent of likely voters back voter. Id laws in other words. They don't support. Hr one same rasmussen poll. One trump dhs official warning the biden transition team that biden's open border policies. Yeah it's going to create a crisis there even admitting it the us secretary may orcas is now admitting the worst crisis in twenty years. But let's see what happens with mcconnell on this filibuster he. I hope he holds the line. Now we know where biden is and it sounds like him and joe manchin have talked. That's what joe manchin was say. Pretty scary times right. We got a lot to get to today. We'll get to the border issue. We also have bill o'reilly today. All things simple man carry severino will join us. You got to hear about one of these nominees Actually the person to be the the associate attorney general. The us has expressed a desire. That states decriminalized simple possession of all drugs and there are questions about investments in our family involved in. We're going to examine it. I don't know the truth of it But we'll find out about it all right. You've tried it all. It's not getting better. You don't sleep. Well which makes you irritable on edge all day. Then there are other days when you just down. Nothing feels too good. Nothing feels right. It's not your fault. There's a lot going on around the world. 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Reilly sir hurry you Searching for leprechaun's yard tough is tough to track down strange. Everyone's getting these ancestry tests. I you know when you get the dna test of you know what your background is. Whatever mine came back a hundred percent british style meaning one hundred percent ireland amount. My all four. My grandparents came to came from one county county cork at an and the other two came from county down. All four came to america the turn of the last century with like no like ten dollars in their pocket and a pretty amazing lives. I know that you probably feel the same way. I feel like i stand on their shoulders. i would assume there's a lot of the blood of mr riley. Yeah about ninety percent according to the pbs program finding your roots so they did Big heard about this show. Yeah yeah you can access that and My mother's side. They came over right. After the pilgrim's okay came over. They went from ireland to england and whipped on a boat and landed in massachusetts and one of my ancestors founded the town of charles town north of boston. Which is where bunker hill is. His name is on the charter. The town to this day in sixteen thirty three. What you know every detail you see. You're a big star. That's why pbs. Chose you because pbs has never even reached out to me to ever do anything. china my league. So that's why you see bill o'reilly simple man ears ears. An interesting point that ties into today on my father's side they had two acres of land in county cavan which is west of dublin. About two hour drive they famine hit in the eighteen forties and all the crops died and the o'reilly's could not pay the tax to the british crowd. So london seized the farm acres through the o'reilly's off the farm. I have an article that i'm showing everybody tonight on the nose. Spin news on bill. O'reilly dot com an actual article and says the o'reilly family who visited from their land. The father died of a heart attack. The mother was left with two sixteen year old boys and they were starving right and nothing to eat and they had no way to live. The mother takes the two sixteen year. Old boy is the galway where they get on a boat and they work their passage to brooklyn and you know what they did on the boat out what they threw bodies into the atlantic ocean those ten ships the famine ships that came to sixteen year old boys land in brooklyn in the late eighteen forties. Get off the boat. The irish were there. They take them in and they. That's the start of the o'reilly news connection. I was looking this up. Because i so interested in what you say about about pbs. It's actually it's hosted by henry louis gates junior which does audience may recall was involved in the quote cambridge. Police acted stupidly common of obama. Because he's commenting about henry louis gates junior who's A professor at at harvard. But you know what i. i do. Think it's a fascinating interesting topic. I have a sign in one of my offices. That says irish. Catholics need not apply. And and i remember talking to my grandfather did never wanna talk about anything serious in his life And but those listen you look at your parents you look at. You are grandparents you look at people that start out in this country and you know i i think of how poor they were. Both my parents actually grew up very poor. My dad in bed. Stuy my in brooklyn new york and my mom in the south bronx new york and and i look at how blessed i've been in my life and the appreciative side of me is that i live in the greatest country on earth and that god has blessed me to live here plus all of us to live here and i also know i i stand on the shoulders of people that had very very tough hard lives no lives and and i am and i know that they would want this for me and their great great great grandkids to you know you know i like dr gates in harvard. I know him He we've always had a respectful relationship. i understand why he did what he did When cambridge the harvard police actually rousted him and he was very angry. And you know. He vented his anger. I had no problem with that We dock gates. And i disagree is what do you do now idea. Condemn your country as so many progressives. Are you start. Do you tear down a system. That has allowed millions of americans to prospered you. Tear that apart for socialism. Do you deem. It is washington and lincoln and jefferson. Now gauges not on board with all that. I don't wanna give them this impression but doesn't fight. It doesn't say to african. Americans look we got hosed and that's true no honest historian can say that. African americans didn't get blasted worse than anybody in this country. They did with slavery. But now you have an opportunity and you need to get educated just like i did just like Henry louis gates did so. I could go to harvard and be a teacher and beyond pbs. You know if. I could change to things about the conservative movement about the republican party even and you know i'm a registered conservative. I'm not a republican by choice. I would say this. I i believe that donald trump has shown that working class americans can do so much better under american first policies controlling our border energy independence. All that that's why records were set for every demographic groups with low unemployment in the three i three years of his presidency prior to the the the virus right and i would say that republicans need to because democrats in these big blue states and mayors and governors. They're never going to do it. They have an unholy alliance with the teachers. Unions and republicans need to champion that every single child in this country be guaranteed a great education which is reading writing math. I don't even care if you do history. You can do that at home. But but and computers. Those would be my four things. And i put every kid in a uniform and i make sure school choices. The top agenda item. And if we did that and if we can if we can have law order safety security and every city in every town in this country i think republicans would make inroads once again and they show it and they mean it nate fight for it and they deliver to every single american. I believe that that party the party. Affiliation shifts would be dramatic in this country mr riley. It's a pipe dream. You think that The republican party can control the state of california new york new york city chicago. You can't and pass it your have a plan wreck your ass. Well let me use it. You're absolutely correct. The progressive movement has damaged education in this country to the extent that the poorest kids are getting hosed in new york city. I think you know this. The average spent by the democratic machine. New york on students is thirty thousand dollars per head catholic schools. Spend ten thousand dollars per head. It's a little more. i think. I think you're showing your age mr hall riley a little bit more than ten grand. I know kids that go to some of the catholic schools. They get a little more expensive than that. This is the average all right so guess who gets higher. Standardized test scores the catholic schools even though they spend two thirds less educating money on the kids because they teach discipline and they teach goals and they incentivize whereas the public schools. it's victimization. at least it is in new york city spending way too much time on things that have nothing to do with educating our kids. Listen the way. I would bypass it. If you're if you're interested. I would create a curriculum one time curriculum from pre k. All the way through high school that if your school system is horrible parents would have access to it for free. Make a one time thing. Re a sh- a strike a strong curriculum that apparent that a grandparent that a neighbor a loving concerned anybody in any kids life that if you walk that child through this program and they met those yearly goals that they would achieve you know almost perfect scores on their. Sat's it has to be. Rigorous it has to be disciplined has to be reading writing math. It's gotta be the fundamentals and the basics. This is not the place for social engineering. It just isn't and you're never gonna do that now but that's why that's how you bypass them. You're right and your charter schools or private schools. Because they're the only ones that will do it and the blasios in new york city is trying to kill the charter school. Actually taking it. A layer even beyond that. I'm saying that it that anybody that can get a computer and figure out a way to get a computer into the hands of any kid that needed it because you can get inexpensive once and you can litter. They would have access to a quality education online with real classes real curriculum. Real teachers all they'd have to all they need is the desire and willingness to do it go to school. They learn in their house. Well they know they might still go to school but they're going to put aside. Whatever time needed per day to to go through the program principles wouldn't allow it. We can't stop it because he's going to access it from your house. I understand but you're running into politics and if everybody would come together and say yes. That hannity's plan is the best for the children and they'll learn more. That'd be great but it never happens in safety. Hannity's plan is a safety net for kids trapped in failing school systems doing well. But they're never going to do it because they're basically saying they being the democratic controlled towns all right the mayor and the governor. They're saying no We we we need more money. That's all about money. It's not about efficiency. It's not about disciplined about money. Give more money and we'll solve the problem. It never happens. Listen this a reason. Why so many parents and by the way this is it nowhere where i thought this this discussion would go today but anyway. I think it's worthwhile having all right. 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And i guarantee you you will feel the hustler difference You can find your local dealer when you go to hustler. Turf dot com hustler. Turf dot com mo better with hustler turf. Continue bill o'reilly on the saint patrick's day. Let's say you are trapped in a horrible school and it kids going to school with these gangs or violence or drugs and disruption and there's very little education going on right. Let's say you have to go there or else they're going to come and put your parents in jail. Okay soon as you get out of school that day you you would have the ability to go home with apparent with a loved one with a grandparent with somebody some adult that cares enough and go through your daily curriculum and that that child would still be able to access now. Are they going to give a playtime and free time. And whatever and other activity times they'd have to yeah but they could still get. It would still be there. It's still be for free. And every kid would have access to it like your plan. And i think it would help some kids but i also know being a former high school teacher myself so by the way i can't this a whole a whole show whole three hours. You've been a teacher. Oh my you had to be the biggest heart. Ask teacher in the world. I was mr qatar man. But this is why we have a divided country now and that's why we have income inequality and it's why we have so much resentment because the kids who are educating they are taking advantage of what america offers and they can prosper. But the kids. Who aren't the kids who have bad. Parents who are trapped in bad schools. Have a chance all right. Let me give you one last. Thought because we're having now is the root of everything which is why. I'm glad we're having it on saint patrick's day. When i went to high school saint pies to take latin than i didn't learn much didn't stay in the class long but i learned one more at duca today. It's from the latin means to bring forth from within now. That means if you believe as i do that. God created every man woman and child. I believe that we just have a propensity for good and evil but that means god put talent and everybody. That's right good educational system would bring out those god given gifts and where we're unfortunately were hurting our children. It is a disgrace. All right bill o'reilly great discussion. I want to hear about some teaching days hyundai this data. That ought to be an interesting discussion. I bet i would have gotten kicked out of your class every day. All right. thank you so much homework. i'd never do it. Don't worry hey the word is out. And so many thousands of you abandoning their overpriced wireless carriers and flocking to pure talk. Usa the exact same coverage but at a fraction of the price. That's right if you with reisen. At and t. t. 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I did not. I'm pretty sure it was canceled. I think the only place that had a chaperone was chicago. Now carry severino. Is the chief counsel policy director of the judicial crisis network and co author of justice on trial the cavenaugh confirmation in the future of the supreme court and we all witnessed and we all watched and we all observed what they did to justice cavanaugh with his wife and kids watching this man be torn to shreds and we watched stories all. I didn't particularly believe the julie sweat next story fall apart before our very eyes There now is a controversial nominee. Joe biden that we've talked about anita. Gupta is her name's and anyway they are now pushing hard for senator joe manchin to vote no on this nomination As she has a massive steak apparently in a company that manufactures yes indeed a key ingredient in the production of high grade. China white heroin. You can't make this up. Listen we see drug overdoses vanita gupta from she said money prophet gupta has tens of millions invested in a company that made the hidden ingredient in heroin. The china white heroin. They kills itself despicable reports. Even mexico's investigating the company. Gupta has a stake in. We leave the national drug overdoses in may the navy ranch. Joe mentioned benita gupta for west virginia. Now when you think of the opioid crisis i mean if you look at this particular ingredient this is heroin hidden ingredient. It's a chemical made by. Us companies cost three hundred. And twenty four dollars for jug of this. it's called the cdc and hydride and it's made also mexico publicly. Traded american company is enough to produce ninety thousand hits of high grade quote. They call it. China white forty two bloomberg dot com and the cartels are getting as much as they want and also using it to cook methamphetamine. So the answer for states like west virginia ohio so many states in this country frankly every state is now impacted by the opioid crisis. A losing three hundred americans a week and of course fennel crisis on top of it open. Borders don't help either and the push now is to get joe mansion to vote no in this particular nomination and that was kari severino's group that made that ad carried. Thanks for being with us. Tell us about the one the drug and tells about the investment stake. I don't know if you'd call it that. It's only eleven to fifty five billion dollars in stock. She owns so i which one of us doesn't have. You know a small like that in some straight company right. I mean this is a huge amount of money. We're talking about and it's not just that she has to own stock in his company out until it's her father actually be chairman of the board of this company And as the this is this is a really worried when the mexican government is investigating your company for criminal charges. Because it's not just they're making the tentacle. I'm sure there's recently used chemical as well but the real concern that the way that they're producing. They happened to participate in these boxes. That are perfect size to fit. In the trunk of a car. Really easy to transport sell in large quantities. Some of the distributors they contract with our aren't even checking. Id's candidate steph out like candy and mexico and a most of these drugs that are coming into the country like the heroine and meth or actually being put in mexico so this is a real problem and feeding the the american drug crisis. That has now taken an estimated one hundred and forty two thousand west virginia not to mention obviously in states across the country. That is a real concern while this is going on so need gupta. Major dot colder in. This company is arguing for decriminalization of drug possession. Coincidence i think not. I think we do have to examine considering the amount of money. We're talking about here. I know they're they have to be other legitimate reasons to produce this chemical And then we can get into the issue of why is it being sold to china cetera and and and the cartels ravi so getting getting some of it to make the heroin. That's killing our kids of split and has a hidden ingredient. But i want to ask you. I think it's important to know. Why would they be making it. Otherwise the chemical itself is not. It's kind of like we. Have you know. Some of these regular cost medications that now have to be behind the counter instead of instead of over the counter visually accessible because they already key ingredients in producing drugs like meth. That are becoming such a a problem in this country This is the same thing. Yes it doesn't have legal uses but another problem. It is also a absolutely seen quite known essential part in producing getting the opd raw opium into the form of heroin and so they huge It a huge po point. You know that could be if you could stop that leaking out not that i can't be produced at all but not being not producing it and then making it easily available so it's companies like that that are that are that are not not being careful. You're making a really interesting point here once a year. I'll need a product that i use that. My doctor recommends called allegra d. And it dries you up if you have any type of congestion or a cold or runny nose you know and you get that runny nose thing and you know you're constantly blowing your nose to the point where you know your nose his sore from all the tissues that you've used but to get it you have literally i have to show my license and they'll only give you so many of them at anyone given time and i remember asking. Am i right eight pharmacist. I said it was obviously. This is a good reason for this right and and the answer was yes. 'cause the ingredients that are in allegra d if you have enough quantity of them. Then they can make amphetamine 'cause they extract the ingredients that would be used in that process which apparently could be used in in the process. The museum of the process for meth. And what they call the bloomberg call china white heroin. I don't what is the difference between china white heroin versus other heroin. I guess which is brown. I am not a heroin expert. Thank for that. Yeah yeah so. This is a key one is causing a lot of the problems And again yeah you can use it again. Hydride to make us making aspirin. He does it. There's there's other totally legitimate thing when you aren't anywhere near the caution that we have again to buy allegra in this country if you're working with people who effectively are are using it and right into the hands of the mexican drug cartels. That's where the that's what's triggering this investigation. It's not just innocently being taken advantage of. But that's the that's give. Are they making this easy for them. That doesn't your your questions And it's it's a company that again we. We have to be very careful to make sure there's not on some some real problems with someone just on the one yet. Arguing for drug legalization. No company that this is important. I mean she wrote a piece in in the huffington post arguing that states should decriminalize simple possession of all drugs that would be heroin meth and crack and i'm feting on. I mean that's his madness. There are estimates and guess this is one of the reasons to targeting. Joe manchin the pay attention to this and that is there are one hundred forty two thousand west virginians from twenty ten to twenty. Eighteen died from overdoses just an eight year period of time and making west. Virginia's the state that has the highest overdose rate of any other state in the country. And so the question is. Are you convinced beyond her radical views. Which would be enough for me. Not to vote for her. And the between eleven and fifty. Five million dollars in stock your. It's your belief that this company do you really believe that they are targeting specifically the illegal drug trade in heroin or methamphetamine and that they know or have knowledge of or turning a blind eye to What china is importing. This this product for mexico's importing this product for. Is that your belief. Well i think that is the real concern. Obviously that's why there's an investigation going next what we don't know currently the status of whether they're being better be ready. Us government they. They don't release that information at this point but the the fact of the matter is questions raised. I think that that it calls seriously into question the confluence of that with her her arguments drug policy. Which as you said that. That alone is enough for me. Some of the arguments she has made about drug policy more. Generally i think college a real question. Her suitability to be associate attorney. General a first place the fact that she's trying to decriminalize all these things the fact that she has even the entire drug regime in this country is just inherently racist. You arguing that we need to get rid of it all and this is someone who's is going to be now number three in the department of justice charged with enforcing those same drug laws. How are we how are we can know that she's actually going to be vigilantly enforcing the laws that she's on. The books as saying are inherently racist. So start at this end. I would just for my own perspective. Say okay so there is legitimate use for what they are producing this legitimate use as i said for allegra d alll get once a year usually But yet when i go to the drugstore to get allegra d. They strong controls on the very reasons we're talking about. It seemed to me that that this company or that the government would wanna put strong controls on any company. There's no evidence push sure that the targeting the for the use of these the production of these drugs so i've got to be fair to the company. I don't know anything about them. And so we don't have that evidence but there is the mexico investigation ongoing. But i guess the next question i have is with. That sad is if they're going to control my purchasing of allegra d they certainly should be monitoring and limiting even and making sure that anybody that's buying this chemical that can be used for the illicit drug trade. I would think the government job would be to step in and make sure that that could not happen. Is there any government law that would prohibit them from doing so. I think the challenges that what's happening right now is being the the production and that distribution point is happening in mexico. That's why i think that is part of the reason. Was that the mexican government trying to look into it because you know when these things are located on offshore. It's a lot harder for the us government to do it. That's it you know if the company is it cooperating with some kind of conspiracy with mexican drug cartels. I think that obviously would violate some federal federal laws as well again. We don't we can't find out the information yet. they're not. They're not disclosing if there is an investigation. Certain with the us government but But i think the challenge is when when these things are happening in other countries it makes it very hard to to monitor as you point out on drug distribution that might not be carried out is effectively in mexico right in the bloomberg investigation. Yeah they point out that this company produces and sells a key ingredient That can be used for illicit. Drug manufacturing got it. We haven't been able to prove that they have improved that yet. That would be up to the department of justice. But she's in department of justice but it's also her own opinions on again legalization of all drugs or decriminalization of simple possession of all drugs. Listen here's the bottom line if you offend all you have heroin if you have methamphetamine your it's a death sentence. You're going to die unless somebody intervenes. Or somehow you figure out a way to get off these these horrifically addictive drugs and the death spiral that is pretty much guaranteed for anybody that gets addicted to them. And i would think that. If we're going to monitor on a micro level allegra d. We ought to be monitoring the mass production of any any ingredients. That could be used. For the manufacturing of of these drugs that killed that ultimately create addiction and kill people this is this is a real and you look down the line. All of the things that she's advocating for it's hard to imagine someone who's going to be enforcing the laws who then constantly undercutting in them and undermining them. it's the drug laws are Are death penalty laws which she has said she. She's opposed to an argued for removing even for White nationalist and domestic terrorist. Trying to get rid of the entire bail system. There's there's so much that she is is attacking within our justice system and this this is you know it was hard enough under trump to try to clear out some of the The the deep state going on within the department of justice imagine with someone like vanita gupta helping to lead the place someone who is undermining the policies that are that are national. laws Have written in views outside of the mainstream. You really can sum it up that way. But i don't mean to cut you off. But i'm just running out of time carry severino. Thank you as always. We appreciate it. We're going to watch this vote very closely and the people in west virginia to pay attention. Joe manchin on this vote. We got in this problem of addiction. Drugs smuggling cartels opioids terrible. Awful eight hundred nine four one. Sean is our number. We'll get to your calls also coming up next. Hour much more news roundup information overload. Hour sean hannity show toll. Free eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of this extravaganza. You know it's interesting you got joe biden with The ever so liberal progressive socialist clinton sycophant the one that used to threaten reporters themselves. George stephanopoulos over at Abc abc news and the puffy ball interview. That he gave joe biden last night and Biden what he said. Last night was interesting because biden last night. Said migrants aren't coming. Because i'm a nice guy told migrants to stay home. Well let's first go back to the campaign. this is actually in september and this is joe biden actually saying illegal immigrants should immediately surge to the border. When i'm president. Listen what i would do as president of several more things because things have changed. I would in fact make sure that there is. We immediately surged the border. All those people are seeking asylum. They deserve to be heard. That's where we are. We're a nation. Says if you want a flea and you should come. you should come well. That's what everyone's going to claim. That's why the stay of mexico policy of donald trump was so effective because people that had real claims they they'd be willing to stay there while their claims were being looked at but instead he's opened up the borders. They been coming in record numbers when now headed towards the highest rate of illegal immigrants in twenty years as a result and that's his own. Dhs head may orches- making that prediction and that's very different than while biden. Told george stephanopoulos last night. It seems to be getting worse by the day. Was it a mistake. Not day anticipate this urge. First of all there was a surge the last two years and and and nineteen and twenty the resurgence. Well might be worse. No well it could be. But here's the deal we're sending back people to for first of all the idea that joe biden said come because I heard the other day that they're they're coming. Because i'm a nice guy and i won't join this. Yeah well here's the deal. They're not getting enough to say quite clearly. Don't come yes. I can say quite clearly. Don't come over and the process of getting set up stone. Leave your town or city or community. Here's the deal. Come on man. Senator haggerty of tennessee is here to talk about. What is a real crisis at the border. They're looking now. At the highest number of illegal immigrants urging the border in over twenty years and there are a lot of large surges in the interim those last twenty years. So this is going to. This is a crisis. It is one of joe. Biden's own making and yet he's denying is the very words that he said just this past. September your reaction senator. Well sean thank you for having me today and in my reaction is just the same as yours. This is a crisis biden zone doing. He invited them just as just as you underscored and playing back his own words from the campaign he's even created incentives. Now if you look at what's inside this quote. Covert relief package Illegal immigrants are going to get a check so all the wrong. Incentives are in place He's stopped all border enforcement and it's amazing they they wanna see school shot but they wanna keep our borders open. I find it just incredible. And they're even putting people to test positive and hotels but there's no checks to see if they stay in that hotel or they go out and of infecting innocent people and then of course americans are gonna have to pay the bill for as many people's ultimately come across that means education that'll mean healthcare That will mean probably ultimately impacting the criminal justice system as assuming some people break laws right absolutely and my fellow tennessean see this all the way in tennessee. It's not just at the border show. And i was talking with a couple of sheriff's yesterday in tennessee. They've already seen a surge in crime particularly illegal drug usage and these drugs are coming right across that open border in mexico. This is something that's got to be dealt with you mentioned biden's removal of the migrant protection protocol to stay in mexico plan. That was working president. Trump's plan was working keeping people there in mexico and dealing with the problem in that regard letting them cross the border as they're doing right now and failing to adjudicate this they're just letting them cross the border you know at every point. They've stopped building the wall as you mentioned Today along with thirty nine and my colleagues we sent a letter to the government accounting organization about this because we believe that this is an of congress's power of the purse if the monies were appropriated the by administration doesn't have the authority to freeze boorda walk instruction stop. Stop funding it We appropriated the funds. They've got to come back to. Congress were they can stop it. We're going to push back on this hard as we can do this to me is all madness and insanity now a couple of other things because in two thousand eighteen if you recall. President trump was accused of putting kids in cages. Remember the we found out something. That was very interesting. We learned that the video that most of the media i call them the mob because of a mob mindset of mentality all the media mob were playing well. That actually was video from twenty fourteen. Those cages were built by joe and barack they weren't built by donald trump. Now we have kids in cargo shipping containers. I'm not sure if you've had an opportunity to see the outside of the love to show you the inside of them but we can't get any of our reporters inside because they won't let us inside. Imagine the reaction of if donald trump was the president and he was putting kids unaccompanied minors in cargo shipping containers with a tiny window with bars on it And we're told butterflies on the walls. I don't think that would go over that. Well do you. Not at all. Showing i i agree with you completely as you say president trump and had allowed this to happen It would have been the biggest humanitarian crisis ever now. The biden administration refuses to even use the word crisis as you acknowledged before america's again refused to use that term today. This is a crisis. Just as you describe it it's going to be the greatest humanitarian crisis. That many of seen in our lifetimes you know we've have other issues. Now that are out there. We got finally joe to answer question. And this is the problem if you run a presidential campaign hidden in a basement bunker rarely if ever taking any questions just showing up for the bare minimum to debates And a virtual speech at the democratic national convention. We never got to the issue of packing. We never got to the issue of dc puerto rico statehood. We never got to the issue of ending the legislative filibuster. I'm sure you heard by now. The the biden's answer on ending the filibuster. I'm sure you know mitch. Mcconnell's reaction to it Joe mansion says it should be harder that seems in keeping with what joe is telegraphing last night all things that were not told to us before the campaign things that i warned a lot about now becoming a reality can they. Can they literally get any of that done in your opinion. Well i i'd say this sean. You know we're in the middle of a pandemic a global pandemic. we're in the middle of a recession. We're trying to recover from and as you so clearly articulated. We've got a border crisis going on yet. Their number one priority is to up through this one and they're willing to destroy the senate filibuster to do it and that would turn the senate into a body just like the house of representatives. It would take away. The long standing history of open debate here and i am extremely concerned that that's the direction they're going to go because it's all about power to the democrats. That's would this allergies outlined by mitch. Mcconnell would be effective enough to push back on ending the legislative filibuster at other words. Apparently they tie things up in such knots that literally. Mitch mcconnell was saying okay. Well if that's what you want it's going to be a mess weapon of mass obstruction. And he said if that happened they would use. Every arcane senate rule that is now available one of which would even be which would require unanimous consent. Even turn the lights on before noon. And he says they're gonna use every other rule to make tens of millions of americans voices heard. Would that work would that be enough to stop this radicalism. Well that's what is going to happen as as a leader. Mcconnell described it. No one knows the rules better than he does. And no one is better equipped at unleashing this. If if it happens if the democrats move in this direction they're gonna find massive resistance from the republicans. And i think we're going to be locked arms standing up to this We'll do everything we can because we cannot allow the democrats do what they want. Which is one party rule here in america. They wanna use this. Hr hr one to basically put them in power till the end of time. So we've got unconstitutional that it is serbs the constitutional authority of state. Legislatures certainly Article two section one clearly says that that domain setting election rules falls strictly we state legislators no mention of congress. No mention federalizing the elections. But that's exactly what they're going to try to do. I do believe there's a huge constitutional problem just as you know. Well i would argue even on the issue of corp packing which they're having i guess some you know stacked account council or he investigative unit look into the possibility of implementing not How do you think the issue of dc statehood is going to play out. How do you think the issue. Puerto ricans a puerto rico. Statehood is going to work out. I think they're gonna i if they can get. Hr one through. They're going to continue to move in that direction. With statehood for dc statehood for puerto rico. these are going to be the things that you've warned about. You warned about this during the election. in what's going to happen is they're gonna come to fruition if we don't stand our ground and do everything we can to stop them from destroying the filibuster and as you mentioned This is just the beginning of it. Went all the way to packing. In the court. We would literally destroy the supreme court in our constitution. You know we often talk about this. Mass migration are people leaving high tax highly regulated democratic blue deep blue states like new york and new jersey and and michigan and california. And they're they're headed towards in florida. Many are also headed towards tennessee. And the carolinas. And i love tennessee. I have a heart for tennessee. I live ninety miles South of nashville when i was broadcasting On a radio station in huntsville alabama early in my career. I used to go up to nashville. All the time. And i love music row and i love. I love the city. Think it's amazing. And i love the state. Also what i worry about for all of these red states where you see this you know. A lot of people from these deep blue states moving is that some people are going to bring their liberal democratic socialist policies with them. Does that concern you because it would concern me. Well thank you for acknowledging. What i believe is the best state on earth to tennessee And and i encourage everybody to visit early and often because we're open for business in tennessee. I i think most of your listeners know that but we're open for business and we're open for tourism there With respect to the demographic trends though this has been going on for some time. Tennessee is one of the best manage states in the nation we've had a conservative legislature. That has kept our tax rates among the lowest in america. We've got a great business environment. And we've seen this movement underway. It's accelerating those sean. And i think the concern that you raise is something that i hear. Very often from tennesseans. But if we continue to stick to our principles I think these people that are moving from california from new york for michigan from illinois will begin to see the power of ideas and the power of our ideology. I'm not so convinced. I mean it's pretty radicalized in california. I live there everyday sean. I don't listen. i'm i'm tortured. I mean i am literally a prisoner here. And i'm stuck but but i don't. You know one of the things that sad to me. is you elect conservatives. That are fiscally responsible. That are don't believe in high taxes and a lot of regulation and you balance your budgets. You fund your pensions. And now you got the big Emergency covert relief monies. Tens and tens and tens of billions of dollars now that are going to be redirected to states that have always overtaxed and mismanaged and misappropriated so many billions of dollars in other words. Red states will be bailing out blue states right now the beneficiary of it. I don't wanna be it's not fair to the tennessean's it's not at all and i can tell you. Tennessee are furious about this You know. I talked to folks from my home state every day and i don't want i'd they deserve. They deserve to keep it. They they do not want to be bailing out mismanaged blue states and blue cities. And that's exactly what happened with this. So-called covert relief. Bill you less than ten percent of which is actually aimed at cova. This was primarily about what you just described sean. And that's mending the the past. The failed policies of these blue states and blue cities have been repaired on the backs of tennesseans and other states. That have been conservatively managed like ours. I supported president trump's tax plan. Because even though i did i no longer had the ability to deduct by state income taxes which are significant in new york ten percent and that is not a benefit for you. You don't get the same benefit in tennessee. The carolinas florida texas any red state. You don't get the same benefits at all. So basically what they're doing is they're awarding blue state governors big-spending governors paxton and spend states for the fiscal policies by taking money or offering tax cuts abatements in a sense to deduct your state income tax. I bet you biden. Bring that back to you. watch It's it's it's so. It's such such underscores their hypocrisy on when they do something like this but what that did was it had states like tennessee. Just as you say subsidizing the tax rates for folks in new york and other other high tax jurisdictions but that tax. Act that you talk about back in twenty seventeen. That was the beginning of president. Trump's blue-collar boom that and deregulation put our nation on the fast track in terms of economic growth. You remember barack obama saying now how you ever gonna get these jobs back. You know you must have to have a magic wand. Well abracadabra president help there. You go Well you need to do more. Radio and tv That message needs to be get getting out. more often. senator haggerty. Thanks for being with us appreciate it. Thank you sean. Great to be with you. Thank my best to my friends in. Tennessee live better lives than us. Same patty's day twenty five now until the top of the hour nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program. We'll get to your calls here in a second. I'm looking at what is now going to be the biggest influx of illegal immigrants into this country in twenty years. Now that's they're saying that the secretary may orcas is saying that. And what does that mean for us. It means more competition for american jobs during a pandemic and at the height of ending and eliminating pain career jobs in the energy sector where these people are gonna work then of course the cost associated with bringing a million new illegal immigrants. Two million more. Okay well you have to house people. You have to feed people. You don't have to stay in mexico policy Policy now brought back catch-and-release then you've then you've got healthcare issues then. Education system gets overloaded. All of that happens with the illegal immigration and then on top of it and you got the opioid crisis gets worse and the cartels take advantage. And then you've got of course human trafficking. I andrews spark talks about the the texas child sex trafficking team director talks about how these kids you know the ones in cargo shipping containers that we're not allowed to view ones in the cages. That biden obama built as young as six coming over a loan this treacherous journey and likely to be exploited by so many bad actors in gangs and cartels and governor abbot. Then i'll play that to him talking. About how unprepared this country is for. What joe biden is allowing to occur. We are very concerned at the child. Sex trafficking team about the youth and the children who are coming across the border. They are in a perfect storm of vulnerability. We've heard stories that kids as young as six are crossing the border alone And they are scared. They're confused and they are very likely to end up in the hands of an exploiter from what we know about human trafficking and how it works. The bottom instruction the floodgates to any child who wants to come across. The border is gonna be able to come across the border. And i know what's going on on the ground. They are completely ill prepared for this one easy example and that is when the amount of children coming across the border. Turn out to be far more than what they expected. They had no clue where to send those children. On this past saturday night there was an email sent from federal health and human services to my staff at nine thirty pm that i did not get until about ten pm on saturday night. Were a federal health and human services they were scrambling to try to find some location where to send those children and they eventually wound up deciding over the night those children would be going to midland texas without knowing whether or not there's running water are workable sewage or what the conditions may be they were scrambling talking to other locations around the state of texas trying to find a location for the joanna who are coming dallas texas. The biden administration is completely not prepared for the number of children coming across the border and the worst thing about it however and this is maybe the most important thing i can tell america right now where the bottom of station is doing by allowing any child who wants to come across the border to come here. It means that he is going to subject thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children to the horrific trauma maybe assault and human trafficking that these children have to go through as they make that trek through. The border are urged. president biden. Do not traumatize these children by enticing them to make this trek president and you have the ability to put an end to this and ensure the safety these children but not enticing them into that very dangerous and nancy pelosi running defense. I love this morning. Defense for joe biden. You know his message to migrants. Stay calm for now. What kind of message is that. Listen do you agree with some of the migrants who say we're coming because biden's policies or at least proposed policies will make it easier for us to come to america in stay in other words. We looked at what president trump and his administration did it. The board said it's not worth the long trip up but now it is because joe biden will let us in well. It's not a question of agree with ya. What i said was if they have a well-founded fear of persecution if they were asylum seekers yes. It is agreeable apart from that. If they're just coming. The message from joe biden news. Stay home for now. And i watched joe biden. I mean it's pretty amazing to just listen. Stay on for now come later. Just forget the lease forget. The laws of the land speaker of the house head of the legislative branch of government biden lied last night when he told george stephanopoulos that in fact that migrants aren't coming because i'm a nice guy i'm telling. I'll tell them to stay home. It's not what he told us in september. Let's play with the. Let's play what he said in september and then compared to last night but i would do as president several more things because things have changed. I would in fact make sure that is. We immediately surged to the border. All those people are seeking asylum. They deserve to be heard. That's where we are. We're a nation says if you want to flee oppression. You should come. It seems to be getting worse by the day. Was it a mistake. Not day anticipate this surge. First of all there was a surge the last two years and and nineteen and twenty the research as well might be worse. No it could be. But here's the deal we're sending back people to for first of all the idea that joe biden said come because i heard the other day that they're coming because i'm a nice guy and i won't do this. Yeah well here's the deal. They're not even have to say quite clearly. Don't come yes. I can say quite clearly. Don't come over in a process of getting setup. Don't leave your town or city or community. Pretty unbelievable hypocrisy. Isn't it all right. Let's get to our busy phones. alex tennessee tennessee. And every the kenny. Chesney song. Back where i come from. Yes i have sean great song. You've taken the call today. Thank you so ironically. I teach high school at the same school that kenny chesney graduated from. Is that right. When he was a he was a great he was a great football player then and and his his mother still lives close to the school. He comes by visit every once in a while I'm a criminal justice and forensic science teacher and And i've met him as a cool guy very very good guy. He's very down to earth and he. He loves his community. He loves the knoxville area and volunteers. He loves the go ahead. What i was gonna say. I think you need to pack up the crew. And you guys need to move your to knoxville. I think you would love it. He everybody on the crew. But i love it i you know. I bet he performs a lot. He does these huge stadium tours. You can actually find on youtube. I mean they're our one concert at At neilan stadium where the tennessee. Volunteers play football And it was a huge success. It was a huge success but he sells out so hard to sell that out. Yeah oh yeah no they are. They are but he does he and he does it every summer. the reason why i wanted to call and talk to you today over the last few days you've talked about Teachers in our education system You know just so you know I've been in the classroom. Teaching we went back to school in august We actually delayed our start ten days from what we were supposed to So we could get all of our students The technology they needed if we had to go online teaching so there was never any break in our in our teaching in our curriculum. And so on. But i'll tell you. I also coached high school football and we played a full football season. We didn't have any issues than football season. We haven't had any any major issues in our schools All hearing all we heard was doom and gloom of you know teachers in the classroom. Everybody's gonna die arabic on this and that and so on. Well guess what it hasn't happened. Sean and tennessee and here. I'm in in knoxville tennessee. And we are proof that you could go back into the classroom last fall and teach a full school year and not have any issues whatsoever. And you know i'm fortunate. We have a governor and a county mayor you may know who are county mayor is. It's the former ww wrestler kane. Glenn jacobs right. He runs our county government They put a big emphasis on student in the classroom. But also having that opportunity to if we if you gotta be at home to learn online but they've also focused on our students graduating from high school with skilled trades so our vocational programs have been have been a major emphasis in our schools. The last three or four years where these kids are graduating today and they can be a productive member of society and And they come out with some kind of a skilled trade And ready to go into the workforce if they don't go to college and you know i heard you talk with senator haggerty about And in talking about immigration. What's going to happen when we get these twenty million new people like you said what kind of jobs are they going to have when you when the biden administration keeps shutting down all these different industries You know hopefully my students are going to have the skills and the resources to get out there and work You know i. Obviously i'm teaching a curriculum. That is very hot. Button topic every day being in the criminal justice system. You know we talk about all the major cases like you have with the Floyd and brown and all these different things and the kids are so engaged in it because they want to learn and i think those are the environments. We have to create an in classroom. Wow that's that's that's an unbelievable story in and like florida and like all. I don't even want to isolate texas florida tennessee mississippi all all these red states have done so. Well you've done so you would think that the teachers want to get back in the classrooms. But no that they're trying to get some of this money through this cove emergency relief bill and then recommending the teachers that they take vacations in hawaii and be and be while you're teaching. You're thinking why don't i get to go. Why at least you should be It's madness and it can be done and has been done effectively known tennessee. Like every other state has had its moments where you've had your flare ups of rebounds. These are all things we knew in the very beginning would likely occur and but the states that again protected the elderly population the states that that put those resources in the right place didn't send colbert patients into nursing homes or group homes did so much better than these states with these draconian shutdowns and. Yeah you back at school since august. And they're still arguing in new york and and california whether or not teachers and go back to school and the teachers unions have all this way and control and power over the politicians because of that unholy alliance that they have insisted amazing con contrast In terms of people's lives of not been destroyed you think of the the lack of normalcy for kids when in kids in particular. Not they're not the most at risk at all when it comes to the corona virus it's older people with underlying conditions co morbidity and compromised immune systems. That are the most vulnerable to this. Anyway al appreciate the update. I'll give you the less you know. We don't we're not. We don't work under teacher's union here in in tennessee where i'm at So we as as a teacher's as a group we say we worked with our district and they put together. We put together some programs and a plan to reopen and it has worked. you know. we're on spring break this week. unfortunately I'm actually working to other jobs. This week Just to think can supplement my income a little bit. I do some driving with uber. And i have a private security company where i do some bodyguard and vip executive protection work. And but you know what. I love being here and i think everybody needs to come visit. And sean i. You are a great american. And i appreciate you what you do for the for the people of this country and i appreciate the support you have for our kids and we need to be back in the classroom. All right thank you. We really appreciate all you guys do. A good teachers worth their weight in gold. That's going to wrap things up today. The crisis at the border even the dhs secretary admitting yeah of the largest influx of illegal immigrants in twenty years. But it's not a crisis. We have our own griff jenkins investigating from mexico tonight. Greg abbott eric. Trump senator lindsey graham and so much more. We'll have the latest on the recall effort. For gavin newsom. Leo terell jim jordan mark meadows. Hope you'll set your dvr. Nine eastern hannity on the fox news channel will see it tonight at nine back here tomorrow as always thank you for being with us. Have you ever wondered what the media and big tech is hiding from. You like massive stories that actually affect you and your life that they don't want you to see because they make the left. The biden administration look bad when there's a podcast dedicated to exposing in every day so download the fastest growing podcast in the conservative movement. The ben ferguson. Show podcast right now. That's right you can listen to been ferguson. Show podcast on. 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WAR of the ROSES

Johnjay & Rich On Demand

14:29 min | Last week

WAR of the ROSES

"Not only do you need to know. If they're cheating. You deserve to know the truth war of the roses right now john rich or it's time for war of the roses. Somebody could be cheating life so you come to us. You tell us why then we call them. Offer them a dozen red roses. Hopefully they send them to you if they don't send them to. You gets really ugly madison. Welcome to toward the roses. Judge richer story focuses. The i love you. Oh thank you. Thanks for listening. So what's going on in your world. Oh all right so I'm actually calling overall eating Reason i'm calling is because he's dating my best friend tori and i have this gut feeling that he is messing around with this other girl. We know me and my brother are really close. And normally i support everything he does but i did not want to start dating tori. So why would you ask your brother like. Hey what are you doing I don't know if he'd be honest with me. He's he's kind of a player type of personality. You know Want him to date your your friend. Yeah i didn't really want to date pooley because the does from sense like second grade so we go way back and obviously eight in is closer to but he's your literal definition of a player. And and i know it's it's going to be bad. It's going to change our relationship with her if it if he ended in a not that way and toys really into your brother. Yeah she really is. So what do you do with this information. Let's say your gut is correct in aden is cheating on your friend tori. Do you take that information. Confront your brother right than in here right or are you going to go tell your friend. Like what casino you're going to be like the catalyst to ruining that. Yeah i mean. I guess i should. I should maybe talk to him and see. Maybe he can fix things. Maybe he's like thinking about changing or hasn't fully gone all the way so maybe you can stop him now to him and bump bring this girl over. You know to study for finals. And every time i would ask about him he thought weird and defensive about it. And i know my brother. I realized. wait a minute. So your brother's dating tori but brought another girl over to study for finals exactly. I don't think corey would like that story know that he brought another girl over. I don't think so and when they go study for finals where do they go the library. He think she came over. So i thought like you know. They go to his room but she comes to go to library. Yeah you know i'm over. And then they would leave. She wouldn't they wouldn't stay long so just so. I understand aiden and madison. You two are brother and sister yes. He's my brother twin. Okay oh can't you guys just kind of think powers pre brain okay twins and you think aiden who is a player. Who's dating your friend. Who wants to date your friend. You think he could be chicken tori and so you want us to call him and see. We send flowers to How long has he been with tori I think it least for months smile. You like about it. Is that years down the road like they have a. They have a bond that nobody can explain right brother. Sister bond is incredible. And then if you're twins as even a whole other thing so years down the road it's like sisters looking out for the brother like she is if he's cheating she's kind of looking out for him teach him a lesson. Say hey man don't don't do that. And then years from now wherever. They end up wherever he ends up. She didn't remember that time. When i call the radio stations they were cheating might take him a while to forgive her for this. You know obliquely also. Like i mean i remember may not see it that way. At first right. I remember having issues with my sister back in high school. I mean i mean her. And i haven't issues with you. Know the girls ask her being upset with me about stuff. You know what i mean by now. You appreciate that right. That's what i'm saying. I think even then i'd be remembered should up get out of here like you know what i mean like those types of things so anyway all right so we will call aiden nc. We send the flowers to now. They're story his girlfriend. But do you know the name of any other girl. Just want us to keep it blank and see what happens happens. Okay all right so we're gonna call eight in your twin brother flowers to war. The roads continues next which on jane rich that number again is eight. Seven seven nine. Three seven off four seven. John gene rich. We are in the middle of war of the roses. We've got madison aden. They're twins brother and sister. Madison thinks aid and could be cheating on his girlfriend. Her name is tori madison. Didn't want aidan dettori aids a little bit of a player so we are going to call agency who since flowers to now. He's been having this girl come over and they go to library and study for finals but who knows it must be tough as a best friend saying that Oh you definitely want to tell your best. But that's your brother. Thank you wanna protect. He's the one doing the wrong you know. He's he needs to learn a lesson but it's tight enough that whenever she asked about the study front he gets weird so that's why she's all suspicious. I think you're onto something okay. We're calling up your bro right now. He gives permission to put his voice on the radio. Without telling him. I of course is eight and available. Yes data perfect eight n. I know kind of random but my name is miami with the new company. Were called jennifer flowers. And you've been chosen for a pretty exciting promotion. Do use social media at aden are do right. Like who doesn't which platformer you on the most. I would say it's perfect so we would love for you. Eight into be our micro influencers so what that means is. We're going to hook you up with our most romantic bouquet of roses. They are a dozen red velvet roses. And you get to send them to anyone you want. Totally free eight in all we ask in return. Is that you post about us. All right. i'm down for that What about what about to find youtube. Okay you know why not. Let's do to a pure passion bouquets. Hold on let me see if i can get manager approval. Okay so we are gonna send the roses out which come in a beautiful crystal vase with like a little card And some people they just you know crazy fun. Flirty sexy on them It is pure passion bouquets of that kind of its own message but this makes it more personal so we'll start with the first card. What message do you on that one. Are you on the first one. Can you put. I love you and on the second one. Can you just put a heart and write my name aidan under it. Oh okay Yep and then which. Where did you want to get like. Who am i addressing these two so the first one says i love you is going to be going to tori t. o. r. i and then the second one is going to a person by the name of live live l. i v. Yes ok to even dude. What i seriously cannot believe you right now. This is exactly why. I didn't want you and tori hanging out. I knew he would do this. We will what what's going on. I'm so confused right now. Oh i'm sure you are. You're such a deuce bag. I'm so pissed now. Maddie what the hell is going on. I wanted to find out if you were cheating. Tori and i was right. You could have any girl you wanted and you decided it had to be my best friend and this is what he was doing this so not cool eight and why would you set me up like this like this. This is why i don't this. Why don't tell you anything at all because you can never mind your own damn business. You have to be kidding. You're i don't mind on this normal brothers. You are my take my ads. Your speaking with my best friend to matt patty daddy daddy please stop. You're literally embarrassing yourself. Right now. Endorsing myself hotseat your path. So i do buy takes the cake. I don king know your way too much. That's that's really low that you would go out of your way to send me up like this like we're on the radio and you're literally embarrassing myself yourself. You weren't going pro. It romantic someone for helping you with finals. A really good liar. Aiding but i the one person who paid full you know whatever dude you're so childish like mom and dad would be so pissed right now i i. I just don't think that you're you're crazy. You're your show crazy for doing this. You're a cheap. And i promise you you're going to realize that you need to get your priorities in check. When it's too late you can smooth on one over and you get to my best friend on so you know. Listen i just find it really interesting that you're trying to tell me how i should go about my relationship considering you can't even keep guy to save your life like are you serious. Yeah whatever like brother. Sister fights again nasty eight and you see where this puts madison right like that hurt doing that. You're cheating on her best friend. That's how she's supposed to be around her best friend and knowing that i'm not cheating he just needs to mind her own business once again. I got his flowers because she helped me out with finals. Not cheating on tori like you said heart and say thanks to help you in my finals in the car. You know that's awesome. Thank you very much. Thank you says thank you sure whenever i heart on social media it means i want to have sex with you. You heart everything. Everyone means he wants to talk. This is awkward is over. So what would you like eight. Do madison be honest with tori. I am on a. I've been so close to my whole life. How would tortoiseshell about us ending to bouquets of romantic roses one to her and one to some other girl despite whatever you put on the message story knew that without live. I wouldn't have ace my past. I think she she understand. Yeah right. I mean the fact that you didn't tell her she was helping if i was mad about that alone. Oh for sure. Then you choose. Send her flowers. Which seems a little shady. And you're not cheating aim. Is that what you're saying. Are you seeing just flirting. So the better grade. Yeah well listen to for free. So i think he's cheating he probably would have said something like live. I can't live without. You would have been good one strong. Not tooting of other trying. He's trying to ivy like either way. There's like a boundary cross. Big time for sure or maybe you should ask for different flowers my like i don't i don't i don't feel the same way about live that i feel. I mean eight. And what do you expect your sister to do with this information like. Where's madison. supposed to take. This are being madison with me. Because she's my sister. And then you gotta treat tory better out tori. You wouldn't be giving flowers to other girl that says my thoughts on it. You can't take your sisters. You can't be to grow your sister's friends you have to have your sister's friend's be your side pieces turnkey who had a sister a very good looking sister hegarty friends. You can never be new relationship with her sisters motions. Just no you just have fun. Fun with them l. Listen listen john jay. I had a lot of photo. Mrs friends court games. Did you ever get a fight with your sister because of that That the other girls not because of her friends that her friends fun value is being apology for taking this to the radio. Thank you owe me an apology. No shop all right. Well let me guess. Where even that's twelve is gonna find out about this decide whether you're not. Yeah all right. That's where the roses jonty enrich.

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Matt Bai & Jason Reitman: "We're at a point where politics are entertainment"

1947: The Meet the Press Podcast

23:36 min | 2 years ago

Matt Bai & Jason Reitman: "We're at a point where politics are entertainment"

"Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to meet the primate apprentice depress. Joining me now are mad by and Jason Reitman. Matt is the author of the book. All the truth is out the week. Politics went tabloid, which chronicles, the story of Gary Hart and Jason is the director of the new film. The front runner which is based on the book by Mr. by welcome to both of you. All right. Matt by Gary Hart. It's funny to go back and think nineteen eighty-seven when he drops out that is now thirty one years ago. I think about when you and I started covering campaign politics basically in the Clinton era, this would be the equivalent of trying to tell somebody about Barry Goldwater rise. Yeah, right. It's a story. People don't either to you probably don't know, always much as they realize they remember, but they remember wrongly, you know, because there's a lot of facts misperception that are actually misperceptions about the story that are sort of seared into our collective memory and then aren't right. And so I think even people who remember the story, the film, you know, will will be surprising and and compelling. What are the biggest myths? You feel like people think they know about Gary Hart, Jason, that in this story that it will be. Oh, wait. I thought it was that when I tell people when I started telling people on the, I'm gonna make a movie about the Gary Hart scandal. I would generally say one of three things I would say, oh, monkey business was just get family feud. What are the words you think of monkey business would be, and then they would say, follow me. And I think there was this understanding that somehow Gary Hart challenged the press to follow him, and then they did when. In fact, the following quote came out in article the same day that the article. From the Miami Herald came out so they were already staking them out. I don't think one it wasn't caused out. One was not following the other. And the third is they bring up Donna rice and and they bring up her name. As she was not human being, but more as just an object, the blonde on the boat and the more that I got to know her. I found a woman who is smart and who aspired to a lot and whose life was kind of just taken from her hand. So I found the story immediately fascinating and look, I was ten years old when this happened. I really only knew these names as names and it was only through match book that I became aware of this story and found it fascinating immediately met. Why do you think Ted Kennedy didn't get this treatment in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Gary Hart did. Yeah, there is a way in which you can point to people in Ted Kennedy would be chief among them where before nineteen eighty-seven, right, personal, it's not that personal lives. Never matter. It's not that they never come into view. There's never scandal involving marriages. It's that when it happens, first of all it bursts into our politics and has to be covered, right? No one goes looking for Chappaquiddick wasn't a story. Anybody created it had to be covered and when it happens, it's not all consuming in that it can threaten your political career. It can be an existential crisis, you know, some Rockefellers and another good example right of someone who went through having personal life directed, but but he goes on to become vice president. Ted Kennedy goes onto become Ted Kennedy, right? We gave people context. They weren't all entirely defined by that moment. Suddenly nine hundred eighty seven. Not only will people go looking for the evidence of an extramarital affair. But when that scandal breaks is all consuming like a wildfire hearts, hearts, literally driven from public life for good, and, and so the question you raise his right one, it's the one we ask in the film. You know why? Why does it happen? And like, well, how did he become the? Because because less about him and more about the mall because of the things happening in the culture, the effects of Watergate, the effects of the moral majority of the Raisa feminism, the birth of satellite technology, the birth of journalism punditry, right? All of this is churning in nineteen Ninety-seven and when it collides, it creates this this incredible moment of change. And that's what drew us to to do the film Jason when you're watching the film, people are inevitably going to be thinking about probably Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. You know what I mean? When you think about people that became president with high profile extramarital affairs, how do you dress that? How are how? Why is it and understand? Yeah. Is that you're saying the movie is timely. What he is it almost it. Will you worry actually that people will look at it too much through that one? No, I look. I think this is the question that's on our minds. You know, we're at a point where politics are entertainment. You know, we don't stand by the water cooler and talk about last night soprano episode. We talk about what's happening in this city. We talk about right now. We're talking about Cavanaugh. So you mentioned? Yeah. Are you finding people talking politics more today than they did five years ago? Absolutely. You wake up in the morning, the first thing you look at it never used to be an LA thing. I mean, you guys side other things. There was people in entertainment were deeply involved in politics and look Warren Beatty and and Gary Hart report. But and and I think we've had a president who wasn't actor but but no, not like today, and I, you know, I, I wasn't alive in the late sixties. And I know that was a moment in wish. It was a lot of Hollywood involvement in politics, but no right now. I mean, this is the first conversation that I have with every single person. I talked to. You know, it's interesting about nineteen eighty-seven. There's also the near the caring's. And the Iran country in the country. And there was always something to me about heart and board that I and I connected. That's interesting. Now I connected them probably because they happen at the same time, but I also find myself. That's. Win the phrase politics of personal destruction started to get used a lot in the nineties. The first year I thought about it going backwards. That can eighty seven John tower, two years later, John tower beating nine right that we were in a mode of tear down in the mid to late eighties stop. No, but maybe the bar of tearing people down. Got higher. I think look, look. This is something we raise in in the film, I think is an important point, which is what you're describing. Right? Is a is a new obsession with character with trying to determine the the mental, emotional moral fitness of leaders in a way we didn't before nine hundred eighty seven. Well, what what we were doing the film and we wrote the screen by together with with Jay Carson. The three of us collaborate on the screenplay JJ, longtime, political operative exactly. Worked for the Clintons. The question the the film is really about asking questions. It's a message movie and the questions are, what do you, how do you determine moral fitness and character? What do you need to know? And you know, and how much context is required for it and how far should we go to bring that to you? And we don't the film isn't making judgments about that. It's following a lot of different perspectives reporters and operatives candidate, obviously, and people caught up in the scandal and constantly sort of asking you evaluate the different perspectives, arguments that hopefully you come out of the theater, having an argument about it. How do you tell the story of the more morality debate in the movie? You know, is this, do you have a? Is it? Is there a figure in the background that is the voice of sort of how to ask these questions. It's a great. Question and look, I think we knew the plot of this movie going in the plot is what it is. We understand to figure out how and why we're gonna tell the story, and we decided to make this a story that is told from the outside in it's a dozen people trying to understand heart from the outside heart was in the 'nigma hearts, a person that he's own close friends and loved ones are trying to figure out to this day. So we're following to figure about, yeah, it's fascinating. So I mean, he's an incredible test case is a guy who was brilliant and had great ideas, but was also flawed and made mistakes. So we try to follow a group of journalists, young old maith Email people on his campaign team, his family members. So they're the, they're the storytellers for you. I mean, particularly in the first half the film, we were on the outside trying to figure out hard. Through them and understanding all of their perspectives, depending on whether they're the poster at the herald or on his campaign, and it's not really until the second half where we were spending more and more personal time with him, and we're asking the audience to understand him, but also ask themselves in a what is important in what is relevant. I know you had some Gary Hart time, but he didn't. He doesn't love dealing with this topic and yet he does want to. I can't be a surprise and yet he hates me. There's no doubt he hates being defined by it. Sure. And I've, I've spent wouldn't you? Of course. But I've always been surprised. He's never still tried to if he forced himself into the public arena more. The story would fade. That's the irony the, the less he's in the arena, the more he's fine by the store. So this is the interesting. This is an interesting sort of chicken and egg question right? If Gary Hart had gone at any time on a rehabilitation tour, if he'd given a tier of the second campaign, wasn't the one man caravan campaign for Iowa. No. He's been months going around talking tiny audiences and wasn't much of redemption to if he had gone out a couple of years later, if he'd written the tell all memoir, if you'd ask for public forgiveness for governor cop dragged is dragged his family and run for him. Drag his family in front of the cameras. You know, probably yes. What you've been able to come out of that moment probably but he doesn't because he believes that's too great a cost for serving in public life, and there's something on dignified and wrong about subjecting yourself or your family to that kind of disclosure. And I guess the question is, is that what we used to define as character? Is that a desirable quality leader or do we want a process that only rewards people who will do whatever it takes subject their families to whatever and dignity. I'm not answering that question, but I think it's an important. I've thought about this with Brad cabinet. Like, you know, there's, I've put myself in a his shoes into simply, it's like, you believe you're innocent. What point is this too much to put my family through? Regardless of whether I'm principle you think you should fight this like your struggle. It's a dad I get that seems to be a real struggle. How do you? How do you have keep your dignity, keep your family clean and at the same time fight and Gary Hart, I didn't wanna fight well. I didn't hear a different idea of what was relevant and what did people deserve to know and we're talking about human curiosity. We want to know who these politicians are human beings, and there seems to be a moment in the eighties when things shifted, and we really had a deep interest and we thought we deserve to know and that responsibility seem to fall onto the shoulders of journalists to figure out this information for us and what we're continue to argue about to this day and and the midst. These. Supreme court. Justice hearings is what should we know? What do we actually want to know? So Matt nineteen eighty-seven gives us Gary Hart in nineteen Ninety-two Mark Halperin infamously hands, Bill Clinton. He's the young ABC reported than handsome the star newspaper. Showing Jennifer flowers, and I bring his name up because some people say he helped change a certain style of politics. I've been blamed for for being at the hotline which also covered politics was in early, but I would argue we were writing for professionals. We weren't eating for the mass public. So we weren't. We didn't horse race up regular journalism. Others did that. We just screw up twenty five years of political journalism, starting in nineteen eighty-seven. Did we inadvertently do that? You're laughing because you think, yes, no, to you. Very honest looking forward to the answer though. I I want to introspects with the best of them. So I'm no look. I think we started. I think the culture changed and I think we've struggled to figure out how to navigate that. And I don't think there's a right or wrong answer because I frankly, I think every point every case is different. There's no rule book for this, but I think the decision's those reporters may is as we depict them in nineteen eighty-seven. The decisions people made in one thousand nine hundred two. I mean, I think we've continued to wrestle with this and I think if I have any criticism of my own industry, it's not that in the movie. We certainly don't depict journalists as being all in the wrong. I mean, everybody, there's a everybody's decisions or under scrutiny and everybody's complex. But I think you know. For me, it comes down to sort of a personal responsibility and choice that the thing we've always believed that I think operatives believed politicians believes this thing is just it's a current. It's too powerful for any of us. It's just all out there. You have to do it because everyone else is doing it and you have to behave this way because everyone else behaves this way. And I think maybe what we lost sight of along the way that we got to make choices as individuals as individual organizations and you don't just have to go wherever the current leads you by the way, because I don't think I don't think you've mentioned it. Hugh Jackman is really fabulous in this. This seen the trailer try here. Takes a foreigner, Blaine. American always does. You guys in Hollywood, you just don't trust Americans to play Americans. I'm I'm a Canadian, so let's see there. He goes, Canadians, who get it. Can we remind people with Gary Hart actually did the sin the his said, we don't know what Kerry heart did. I mean, I mean, that's the way we think he had a relationship with Donna rice. Yeah, that said, look, this is a do even know if anything happened. That's my point. I mean, this is worry about a very public story about two very private people. Gary hart. You know, who was the presumed next president? He, he was the front runner for the presidency. And on rice. It was a young woman from Florida, and they met on a boat called the monkey business, and the Miami Herald got a tip about their relationship and follow Donna rice to his townhouse in DC and became a moment or Gary Hart, Kim aware that there was someone outside sticking them out, and he went outside, did a kind of little walk around the neighborhood to see if anyone is following him and wound up in his alleyway with some journals from the Miami Herald who said, you feel, you know, Tom Fiedler who said, you know what's going on inside your townhouse right now. And it's response was you can't ask me that and as a filmmaker, that's a movie. I mean, that's a that is a thriller, and it is. It's really that happens to speak to the questions that we continue to talk about today. Tom Fiedler have any regrets met. Essentially, Jason's talked to him most recently because I see in the film. I mean. Say I up in Miami, Tom Fiedler is somebody. Yeah, you know, great journalists and I, I definitely looked up till you just watch the film, you know. And I don't think he, I don't think he has regrets. I think he has a continuing. Reflections, you know, I think he understands he understands that they're different sides of it. I think he feels very comfortable with the decisions he made, but he's not about revisiting them. That's an accurate. It's fair. I mean, look, he described the moment of being at the herald at the moment that heart dropped out of the race and people at the Miami Herald cheered. And he was kind of hiding himself and said, he was crying uncomfortable, how people cheered. Yeah, but this is. You're not being a journalistic organizations. What are you cheer it? I mean, I just don't get it. I guess it made them feel better that, hey, they brought down a candidate. Is that what they were cheering? I think they had a moment as a paper and, but you're right, there's something uncomfortable about that idea and look, I I have a lot of empathy for Donna and for Gary Hart, but I also have empathy for Tom fee. I can't imagine what I would do if I was at journalists in that position, and I felt like I had a hot lead and in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, a little trip nineteen eighty-seven. Let's not forget. I mean, I do think it does matter. People need to understand moments in time and what the culture was that that we sometimes look at these things through the prism of what things are now, right? You know, and I think that that had to be the hardest thing to capture in the movie. Well, I, I mean, I was fortunate in that. I mean, look, I would have never been able to tell the story on my l. and it was fortunate that I didn't only have Matt's book, but met by Jay. Carson were onset every day. And as we went out to to make this film, we were trying to get the details, right. But I knew that when we were, you know, recreating the office of the Washington Post that Matt was going to be there and he was going to be speaking to the detail when I knew we were creating the campaign office, Jay Carson who had been a press secretary for Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean was sitting there and telling the phone bankers. This is what you're saying on the phone, and this is why you're saying on the phone and be speaking. The details in the movie are hopefully accurate. What's Gary Hart couldn't think of this movie. Oh, you've seen it? Yeah. Yeah. I brought it to Denver and try showed it to Donna. I showed it to Gary and lay. I should've Tom Fiedler. His first reaction was to ask his wife Li, do I really talk like that and lease said, yes, darling, that's exactly how you speak. So he's sort of like, wow, by the way, he's still is a great head of hair. He does. He is great man. You got a great mind. He's deeply aware of everything that's happening politically and early eighties. Yeah, he's still, you know, younger than probably ten percent of the United States that's becoming. Let's not say right. Gary hart. Has this incredible. Mind loves foreign policy. You know, he was basically probably the Democrats at the time in the eighties, their best person to talk about the Soviet Union in dealing with the Cold War, and all of that that was that is what that was his sweet spot. And Democrats treated him as a pariah in the nineties, didn't they. Well, I think you know this, this character idea became so overwhelming in our politics. It was tough enough for President Clinton to overcome, and then I think, you know, there's it's true during the Clinton years. I Gary Hart wanted very much to serve, and the people around President Clinton felt it was just too toxics four Bill Clinton being who he was to have an association with Gary Hart and there. There's a tragic art to the strumming. The story we tell in the movie is is a sort of tragedy in in in its own way with its own arc in its own end. But the years afterward are their own tragedy because hard spend all those years in exile, really wanting to be of use in service to his country and not wanting to violate the own his own dignity as he saw it or to grovel in some way, and he really was deprived of of the opportunity to serve, and I think we were deprived or something, and he's not the only one the point of that is I think we create a process where a lot of people don't want to serve. A lot of people are. Driven from public life and, oh, it invites a certain kind of shamelessness and the people who do want to serve and why we're asking people to do is reflect on that process. If you ask you ask an audience of people, how many people think the process is working, nobody will raise their hand and we're, we're just, I think the the film leaves you hopefully with a lot of questions and and and reflections about how it got that way Donald rice. And we always cover sex scandals to the prison with a man and the woman is. A character, a supporting cast, never always treated as sort of not necessarily as victim, but it's like maybe part of the maybe helped sometimes blamed for this. How do you. How will how will today's millennial woman? Think of how you treat it Donna rice in this movie? Well, I tell you what Donald rice thinks of the film, and he thought that had a lot of empathy for her a kind of empty that I think she's been looking for over the last few decades and hasn't received. And I mentioned this earlier when I bring up, you know, when I brought her obituary is going to have that in Hurley. Yeah, and it's not only obituary. I mean, it's a life. It's her life Monica Lewinsky. Yeah. And you know, Donna is a smart educated young woman who aspired to a lot and as had to kind of live with this and also lived through the scandal at a time when there was no playbook, they, she didn't know what lawyer to call or what sort of the. I mean, what was there the the before her the most famous affair was fanny FOX and the tidal basin, but that was why Wilbur mill Wilbur mills. I know. I mean, like they weren't ice. He was. He's getting right there with you. Wilbur mills. Well, well, done. Just show enough in front of JJ. I'm very impressed with either of you, but Donna. I had a tremendous amount of empathy for her and I wanted to get her story, right? And look, there's a way that we structure this movie where I know the conception going in. I know that how people see on it in their heads, they think of her as a blonde on a boat. And as we go into the film, I know that this is anticipation of the moment. We were going to get to that boat and meet this woman and what we didn't have film as you don't meet her on the boat. You have to wait for the film that defined by the both. This isn't movie that is frenetic and has a lot of energy, and you're meeting all these characters and you're, you're at the paper and you're at the campaign, and then all of a sudden the scandals come out and the movie stops. And the first time you meet Donna, she's a woman who is broken, whose life has been stolen from her, and she's crying and the camera just sits on her and you have to kind of take your own presumptions and put them in check and look at her as a human being. Gary Hart. If this doesn't happen to Gary Hart is Bill Clinton, never president United States, Donald Trump, ever-present, United States about by. You know, it's impossible to know and they're two separate questions. Obviously, impossible to know. I certainly think Bill Clinton learned from what happened to Gary Hart. I certainly think Bill Clinton was better equipped to deal with that environment than then Gary Hart head Clinton been the first. He might still have triumph because for all the reasons I've talked about the process, I think he was. He has the skill set and the willingness to do things that were different from where Har was the President Trump question is very interesting because one of the things that happens in one thousand nine, seven then I think, is depicted well in the film is the collision of entertainment and politics. It's the, it's the way we cover. Celebrities is now the way we're going to cover politicians. And when you create a process where you treat politicians celebrities, I think it is probably inevitable that you will all your celebrities into your politics, though person. You really have to blame the toll started with Walter chill anyway, Jason Reitman. And with that, I will drop will drop that little thing in the Punchbowl and let people ruminate on that. Congratulations in the movie. Anything looking forward to it's the front runner. Thank you. I hope you like it. You gotta Jason. Right. Men met by thanks for joining us a nineteen forty seven to meet the press podcast. If you like what you heard, then you can subscribe for free and apple podcasts tune in or Spotify. We back next week. Thanks for listening till we upload again. Thanks for listening to the nineteen forty seven podcasts from NBC's meet the press with Chuck Todd. You can listen to MSNBC twenty four hours a day, seven days a week on tune in.

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WAR OF THE ROSES

Johnjay & Rich On Demand

15:11 min | 7 months ago

WAR OF THE ROSES

"Have you heard about propane. Taxi propane tanks. Propane grill tank. Home delivery service and it's ridiculously easy to order a propane grill. Tanked delivered right to your door. Now's the perfect time of year to get outside and grill with family and close friends or heat up the patio. Make sure you've got propane for any occasion. Go to propane. Tanks dot com. Use promo code tank ten and your first tank exchanges just ten dollars promo code tank ten for ten dollar tank exchange. No delivery fees no commitment and no contact propane tax dot com propane grill tank home. Delivery promo code tank tan. Not only. do you need to know if they're cheating. You deserve to know the truth war right now. John rich several roses. You're in a relationship. You think your boyfriend your husband could be cheating so you come. Does she tell us why. Then kyle goes undercover pretends to work for flower shop. We call your boyfriend or your husband. We tell him that he won a dozen red roses very romantic red roses. We find out who we send them to t. If he doesn't then he gets pretty ugly. That's why it's called war of the roses brooklyn welcome to our show. What's your situation high. Hell wow this guy. Is it my husband or my boyfriend. But he's my sugar daddy and lately. I feel like you've been holding out on me and i feel like he might be either seeing somebody else or he has another shut. Herbal and quite honestly. If that's the case. I just really wanna find out. Do you have an agreement to where he is not allowed to have another baby if he has another should really. I would just like to like. I just wanted to know. I'm a little bit of like i'm not gonna lie. I kinda like to have like one sugar daddy to one shirt arabia. I wanna be in full attention. And that was the agreement that we had on and then of course like at the beginning. I did tell him that at any time. He wants to break the agreement or does not be with me anymore. Then that's fine. Let me know. So i can go and find somebody else. Well what makes you think that there's another sugar baby. Well he hasn't been giving me much money or gifts anymore and again. We've had this arrangement for a little over a year. The deal is that high allowances fifteen hundred a month. I also have a full time job so honestly this is just some extra funny and he buys me guests. Usually you know like the jewelry. Shoes bags chanel gucci. Louis vuitton stuff. Oh yeah he. He usually gets me whatever i want. On top of the nineteen hundred on top of the fifteen hundred. And it's like it's like the last three months he's only given me like five hundred dollars and it's a little. It's either like little to no gifts whatsoever. And i'm just like what the hell is going on is. The times are tough. You know you know maybe had to furlough sugar. Maybe you're too. It's a tough time for the sugar daddies and my rich. How many companies share common sugar corral to down quite a bit throughout this is. This is a unique situation for us here. We have a sugar baby who listens to the show. Who is upset that her sugar daddies cut of her wages. Or whatever that's called right. I mean what. Are you doing monday when we get down of the father. And he's like what if he's like. Listen man. times are tough. Is your sugar daddy married. Of course then. I mean that's a good i especially when i asked him like. Hey what's going on. And of course he did. Tell me that it had to do with coded again which makes total sense but like the reason. I don't believe in that. On top of the money and everything else. He usually called either every day or every other day and he hasn't called me as much like probably his last month. I heard his baby like three top. Which is such a huge flag for me demanding demanding junior. Maybe i mean you want him to call you every day. That's so girlfriend. Think about this year. Let's say like you say you've had a relationship for over a year with him right so things obviously had to change. Once the lockdown happened. I mean that was marge and that would explain you. How often did you see him. Did you say to like every two to three weeks and stuff and when we would allow obviously it would be responsible and usually after work. You know we'd go and get ourselves a little freaky but this last time when we went we didn't even like hook up or anything so we always have like. He's probably at home more. He probably doesn't have enough free time to call you right. That would make sense and seeing less. So he's like. I'm seeing less obviously going to pay less afraid. I think like there's no emotion here. There's no like just sounds like it's a business deal right. Sugar daddy sounds like he's kind of like moving on he's sick years your sugar baby and maybe and maybe you don't do the things you used to do you. Are there things you have you guys get together. Do you do still do they. Are you still whatever it is that you. Did you still do to figure mexican login now. Let's just say that. I don't leave him complaining and i mean he. Now i'm going to be for real. He gives it as good as he gives it. My okay damn rich okay. Well one thing he's going to be really excited about the free flowers if he's trying to cut budgets on sugar babies that's a great day for him much order like five or six dozen acid all right so we'll get him on the phone. What's his name gregory. God my stomach. A buddy guy with your friend. Rally such a title as greg greg. There's no way greg spending money all right for group. No way no way brooklyn hold on. We'll get greg online. We'll see we sends flowers to war of the roses continues next john rich by were. The millrose is very unique. Oros brooklyn online cheeses sugar baby. She thinks her sugar daddies. Chidi honor her married sugar. Daddy she takes has another sugar baby right because she was. Here's the deal that she had set up. She was sleeping with this guy He was giving her fifteen hundred bucks a month and buying her gifts analysis. Kobe hit things have gotten a little last season. Only getting about five hundred bucks a month or not see each other as much used to call her every day now. he doesn't cause much show. She wants to find out if he's cheating on her with another sugar baby on his wife. It's so twisted. But that's what we do here. We're the perfect show brooklyn. So are you ready brooklyn. I'm ready. let's do this. This is gregory. Hi gregory Just the minimum looking for actually. My name is isla with a new company were called. Jane are flowers As you know it's kind of a crazy year we're trying to get the word out so you've been chosen for a really exciting promotion. Gregory yuga dr. Who are you. Who is i'm sorry. You need to start over just a sales call kind of. Yeah but no. I mean it's not gonna cost you anything. My name's eileen with jennifer flowers. You got chosen to send our pure passion bouquet to whoever you on a dozen beautiful gorgeous red roses to everyone gregory for you. It's free what we ask of you in return is that you share jay in our flowers with your network of people either via social media or just word of mouth so we get a little bit of marketing out of it. You don't have to pay a dime and everybody's happy. How'd you end up getting my name and number. just curious. i come to work in the morning. Gregory and they had a sheet of paper with on it. And i call them and i get to make your day total crazy. I know totally above my pay grade but usually ends up being a really good thing. Because like i said i don't need any credit card information from you. I mean the only personal info that i need from you is whatever message you want to write on the card that we send with the flowers and i mean some people get really personal of you will gregory but you know you and that's it and then we sent him out and i'll pay you anything you're not going to give them credit card. You're not asking me. You're just saying that if i do this that you want me to share Flowers to my friends and et cetera. It's word of mouth campaign. Cool all right. Well i'll give it a try along. I mean if there's any point where. I feel like it's not true i'll tell you perfect so like i said it's pure passion bouquet so it is a dozen of our most central breed. So you know think someone special in your life and then what we do in the card is just let you personalise that special surprise for them so some people get flirty funds sexy whatever. Don't be shy. i've seen it all. We'll start with the message. Then we'll go to the sent all right All right right Me and more me a more She's teaching me spanish so okay. That's just quick simple like that. Do want nick. I love your agree or some sort of. Do you know what echo so poppy. Oh perfect love it. Okay and then. who am. I going to address these. Two gregory name is g g jiji baby. She doesn't she. That's where my money's going isn't it. Who is this. What's happening dragway. Baby boise roses. Oh god oh yeah hara going on who the. Dvd is going to tell you look. I met gee-gee online. You know like the end of july. I think or and we hit law. We hit it off. she's twenty. She's twenty five. Oh my god greg you know. What's the so selfish. You know what. I could be understanding if you had told me obviously before because then i got it somebody else but no you have to be a secretive listen. I didn't. I didn't expect any of this to happen. I it's i dunno where jiji's might latin lover. She's actually likes to be seen with me and doesn't mind my age. Oh my god can give give me like. Oh my god you know what you are. Just oh my god using you. Get your confession choosing and you're not using the aren't you using me. Yes were you on your the agreement Well it's maybe a little different you know. Gt and i actually have fun together. And she laughed at my humor. I'm actually funny. He used to think so and You like to be seen with me. Doesn't seem to think my age is an issue. Disagreements it over. Don't even about freaking calling your credit. We did a huge. You're off for somebody way. Younger doesn't sound like he cares. It sounds like it's a business for him and pleasure obviously for him. But it's like he's like. Hey this other person come in my life see later. The expert comes into until later. He seems very matter of fact. He's seems very kind being mean no but yeah i mean but i mean the way you're going off brooklyn as it seemed like the next sugar daddy. This is not going to look well in your resume. Your mind little possessive knowing that like also he's married. Yeah poke at that. Never came up. So you're getting five hundred bucks a month for doing nothing wrong either way. Gd can go and walk off a class. I all the women in my life. I've met the same way. Okay and and i. I gotta lot in common. Whether and i think we could work something out here where maybe all all of us win. What would that be like. You'd still pay brooklyn and us too. Pay us free flow. Whatever you need. He's supposed to be good at giving it as good as he gets it too. So how how can how can it work out. What do you mean. what's your idea. All of us could just be together and and work things out and schedule time and and who knows maybe scheduled time together. oh look at agreements in agreement. It really think about it. I can only have one agreement. One sugar baby you and your amour can go on and have your own agreement. I've done with this one. I'm gonna go get another picture baddie. Okay go get one. There's websites that triggers a machine. Richards pretending you that. All right gregory. Thanks go there with us. Good luck with all your friends. What are waiting to that through today on the radio. All right yeah brooklyn. Thanks for coming to us to help get answers. You're welcome all right. That's war of the roses all this all this and the guys married crazy right and he wants to be seen in public with g g. I watch this show one time. Gosh what was that. I think it was it was it was. It was a tv show on netflix. So called hollywood and where the movie producers knew the wives were having affairs. The husbands are having affairs. All new which is part of life whatever. Anyway that's worthy roses. John dean rich general dynamics information. Technology combines. The latest technology innovations to deliver enterprise scale. 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November 19, 1998: Clintons Impeachment Inquiry

Today in True Crime

14:35 min | 7 months ago

November 19, 1998: Clintons Impeachment Inquiry

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Doodoo -ciary committee chairman. Henry hyde ran through the opening remarks. Reminding the committee of the agreed upon format for the day's proceedings as he spoke cameras cut between stern-looking republicans and the president's council who seemed to wear a permanent frown from the beginning. The committee was at one another's throats fighting over the fairness of the hearing and the absurdity of the inquiry. The tension was tangible. The past several months had caused an irreparable rift between the republican and democratic parties. But no one felt sicker than a young monica lewinsky who sat watching the trial at the watergate hotel where she was staying with her mother the accusation that president clinton had lied under oath stemmed from testimony in which he denied that he had a sexual relationship with her over the past year. Lewinsky had been called every sexist slanderous name in the book though. She said that the most hurtful moniker was that woman she watched. As the democratic party rallied around clinton the most powerful man in the world. Meanwhile she had been mocked by late. Night hosts cheaply impersonated by sketch comedy actors and ridiculed in the news thanks to the advent of the internet. Several the unfortunate distinction of being one of the world's first viral news stories. Lewinsky has since divulged that at the time. She was so depressed. Her mother was forcing her to shower with the bathroom door open lest she hurt herself. She was just twenty two years old a fresh college graduate and fallen in love with a man more than twice her age. Bill clinton while interning at the white house lewinsky face the most scrutiny for her relationship with clinton but hers was not the only scandal. The president faced clinton had already been accused of sexual assault by two former female employees. He also allegedly carried on a twelve year affair with a lounge singer named jennifer flowers. 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There had never been a blue house on the hill. This of course spelled trouble for the republican party. A washington insider named kenneth starr began looking for a way to house clinton from office star. I went after the president on whitewater. A scandal that has since become synonymous with prosecutorial abuse. Essentially the clintons made a bad real estate investment with then business partner. Jim mcdougal when the nearly three million dollar deal went belly up. Mcdougal tried to recover funds through fraudulent means his scheme ended up costing the government. Seventy three million dollars prosecutor. Ken starr was positive. The clintons were involved in the scandal and investigated them aggressively but after a year of tireless digging. He turned up with nothing. Meanwhile in nineteen ninety four a year into his presidency a young white house intern named monica lewinsky met clinton for the first time shaking his hand. At an event in the rose garden the details of their affair have been well documented. Their relationship became physical in nineteen ninety five and was on and off until nineteen ninety seven in april of nineteen ninety-six. Monica was transferred to the pentagon at the time clinton had told her that people were beginning to talk about how friendly they were and felt. It was safer for her to leave the white house. He promised to bring her back. The second he'd won re election but when that didn't happen she realized a heart. Wrenching truth clinton had continued the affair to keep her quiet during the campaign she'd been had frustrated. She confided in a woman named linda tripp. Who she believed was a friend. She had no idea. That trip was secretly recording their calls and helping ken starr build a case against president clinton by the end of nineteen ninety seven news about the affair broke and it became clear to everyone that star and his people had a smoking gun over the next few weeks. Things unraveled quickly a recorded. Phone call between lewinsky and clinton revealed that they had both agreed to deny the affair. Believing there was no proof of the liaison. Lewinsky signed a false affidavit. Denying any encounters between her and the president at the time. She had no idea that linda tripp had already turned over hours. Upon hours of taped phone calls between her and lewinsky wherein lewinsky discussed the affair in detail on sixteenth nineteen ninety eight lewinsky said the food court and the pentagon mall waiting to meet with trip when she showed up to meet her. She had two f. b. i. Agents in tow lewinsky terrified. Followed the agents to the ritz carlton hotel which was attached to the mall. The entered hotel room ten twelve around one pm that afternoon. Lewinsky instantly asked for a lawyer but the fbi talked her out of it there. A lawyer from ken starr's office accused her of obstruction of justice. Signing a false affidavit conspiracy and witness tampering. She was threatened with more than twenty years of jail time unless she was willing to betray the president after hours of crying hysterically and shutting down emotionally. Lewinsky asked to call her mom. According to later interviews the prosecutor said your twenty four. You don't need to call your mommy. You need to make a decision and so lewinsky said no. She would not cooperate. Stars team was stunned secretly. They knew that there was no way lewinsky. Would ever serve time for a false affidavit about a sex scandal but they'd assumed they could intimidate her into helping them catch clinton over the next eleven months. The details of the infidelity made international news. Clinton distanced himself from lewinsky publicly. The entirety of washington dc used her as a scapegoat in one way or another but in refusing to cooperate that day she bought the clinton administration valuable time to build a defense against the pending charges. Others who may have been dragged into the scandal were saved ultimately though he was clinton stayed in office until two thousand one leaving with a sixty five percent approval rating higher than any president since truman. Meanwhile monica lewinsky is still largely regarded as the other woman that woman the woman with the blue dress exactly twenty two years ago today. An impeachment inquiry began that was intended to bring down a president instead. It destroyed the woman who had stood by him and met the tidal wave of scrutiny. With courage beyond her years. Thanks for listening to today and true crime. I'm vanessa richardson. 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"Hey charging rich sometimes after the show we sit in the studio and we keep talking about stuff and him we posted online. We call it the afterwards. Podcast you came up with the name of a team effort. It wasn't right right when you search for it. Search after words w. o. r. d. s. Not the other way. Now once you find it please subscribe rate and review a little bit of a warning. Sometimes afterwards can be a little. Ns fw so we talk about things. We can't even shouldn't talk about on the real show but this is as real as it gets after a. It's on the iheartradio app. I two or just go to our podcast page at john. Rich dot com afterwards w. o. r. d. s. uploading. The most listened to radio. Show on the planet billie eilish taylor. Swift post belongs to deliver. And you're waking up with john jay and rich culture music. This is jane. Rich andrzej enrich. John rich phone. Number's eight seven nine. Three seven one four seven. Check this out. My niece premiums tori. Her professional name is victoria. She works for the department of safety or the child safety kids and stuff and she's got like a million horrible stories right so like like if she's a hospital she's there because there's a kid that's been abused they think and she's investigating because it is like if there's a kid has a broken arm in the parents can explain why the kid has a broken arm. She goes in there and then she talks to the parents and whatever well yesterday my son dutch. Who's fourteen was playing basketball. A two basketball games back to back and he was. He was unbelievable. Played in a great game and Something happening to shoot the ball in his leg gave his knee gave out and he collapsed on the floor and any screaming yelling horrible former moments and my wife was me coochy and i was like hold on but it was the kind where they also coached. Y'all we need a doctor run out there. Excuse crying scoop them up and carried him outside. Put my car. And i had to drive into the emergency room hospital and the hospital. The children's hospitals amazing wheel the man and we were there for a long time and all sudden my niece. Tory comes walking into our room. Johnny go ahead tori. What's going on. Oh there's a case here blah blah blah blah. You know on the god. I i know your i go. So you're here right now because you're dealing with something she's yeah. I'm here all the time so she sits there for for a long time with us. You know and and choose. I had you know we're here. She was what i saw. I saw dutch his name on the board in the other room. So i thought i'd pop it it. There's not a lot of dutch van. S.'s boy so she's there for a little bit. We're talking we're waiting you know. And then she goes to leave. And i go well. We'll we'll we'll if you leave and nurses and doctors leave our room. They're going to think of beating the hell out of dutch and she goes. Yeah live socio. Later walks out. Clipboard people kept walking by a room like nurses and in other like whatever it is our ends and walk by. that'd be like new. No that's my niece on. This is my niece volunteer here. That works here and she came to visit my son. Everything's good basketball injury and explain his injury weaknesses. Jury was nowhere near me on her clipboard. Going to say. I have a case. It's you could be like but who ask you these questions. Shut up play basketball. Dane cook over and over again. I would the bleachers. And i came out wade. Pat was he okay. I don't know he was. He was there till one o'clock in the morning i switch. I was there to like ten and then she came in. And then. When i got up this morning she attacks me some so we have to get x. rays and stuff but we don't know what happened but he's And then i got up this morning and he was like in bed his. He was asleep at the lights on in the dog next to him. Big charlie sleep and his. His phone was on youtube watching some youtube channel asleep with his lights on. But we'll see but we were able to watch. The phoenix suns nuggets game on in the hospital room. I was going on so that was a blowout and a half rate right now that game. Meanwhile at the children's hospital it's funny is channel is frozen toy story a little mermaid or the basketball game combo. Good thing like see because the talk was the low-key tv show right. I have i didn't see it. You guys watch lucky. I didn't watch low talking about it this morning. And i'm always left out of the marvel conversation i was like you know what. Give it a chance here. But that's good. It started like with a little bit endgame and saw it. Let's see well. Let's get kyle's winning never talked about left out of marvel. What did you say about. But the thing is all the other shows drop on friday. So i'm mentally prepared for a friday. Loki drop drop yesterday. So what's your opinion on loki. Well i did like how it started with endgame. Because i that and i remember the moment where loki just sort of disappears and. He's just like they don't really address it anymore in the movie and so the show you get to see where he goes and now it's like to be honest. I felt like it started off very slow. But then i add by the end of the episode which is an hour long you get. I mean sometimes you need a slow episode to establish like what's happening and so now loki is. He's he's in trouble man. He ruined the timeline right. And so now he's with like the time variant association or whatever. Busting him for time traveling when he wasn't supposed to and now he has to catch himself and the guy mcqueen i was like. Oh and wilson. I love i love or something. Did his nose liquid at all jacked up north when he was a kid okay. I thought i didn't know if it was makeup. Or what in any like is he part of the. This is okay man. he's perfect. He's perfect for it to the first five minutes. So if you're a marvel fan they handle a lot of plot development. Because they're like no. There's not a multiversity more. There's just one time line in everything has to fall on that time. Line or else. We got problems they. They handled that right away. And that's been a big thing for years. I was really scared. Because when i saw the trailer i thought it was so confusing like what is happening here and there are so many things that have happened with loki. Where he's died and he's come back now he's traveling he's left and I think this show this first episode did a really good job explaining what's going on with low key right now like how there is one time line. These variants are not variants. But the tv. They know exactly what's happened in your past what's happening in your future while how things are going to end and for low key to go out of place and they're trying to explain to him like you can do this. Why are you the way you are. They like sit him down and questioned him as he did a really good job of explaining what's going on. It's good to watch you'll love it. I think it's the best marvel. Tv show i like it better than falcon. I like it. Better than wanda were a couple articles saying that this was going to be the most important in the mcu. Like for the future and movies as good. Well i was time i had yesterday. I was watching sweet tooth. Which is the number one. Show netflix right now. And that's really contagious. Finish i'm not done with a yet. But i'm way down the line probably finish it. I could probably finish it today. I think i an article that said that this this show makes the end of the universe seem more cushy switches that i've i've not watched any of it but i saw that headline and i didn't read further because i haven't watched the show but it's pretty much like a virus wiped out everybody's like it's like the walking dead and then these kids are born. That are part animal hybrids and but in some of them are like really cute. Like alvin and the chipmunks. You'll be these really cute little things. Actually all of them were cute And so that's kind of more and but then there's some scientists that are like doing tests on him killing him and there's people hunting them so it's like one of those deal so i'm not to the end yet and then there's a couple relationships that are forming. And it's i really like it right now. The guy actually can't stop thinking about it. Like i'm i've already gould in their stories but i don't know anything about show be season two. I don't know anything. Dc the opposite of marvel. but it's produced by robert downey junior who has iron man who's in marvel. Oh that's weird could be a contract violation of that strange anyway. So that's a low-key recap that's sweet tooth. Recap john dean rich. Not only do you need to know. If they're cheating. You deserve to know the truth. Wore a throws is right now with john enrich our time for war of the roses where you think somebody in your life is cheating on you. So what we do is we hear your story. I i know a service that can get rid of those birds is that is this mariah. Yes we're surrounded by beautiful birds. Oh yes i am. I can also be over if you like. No it's okay. These are beautiful cranston beautiful birds. So here's the way it works you think so much. We're going to call the person you think she. I knew offer them a dozen romantic red roses find out who they send them to so mariah. Welcome who's cheating your world. So i'm calling about This girl who's mostly my girlfriend but not like really my girlfriend because we haven't made anything official but we do spend like a lot of time together and we like dating. I guess But i don't know things are pretty rocky with us right now. Because there's no clarity. And i kind of have this feeling. There might be something going on behind my back. And i just i don't know it yet. So okay how long have you guys been talking or dating like a couple of months. So why do you think it's not official yet I mean i. I just feel like we were still in that stage of like feeling things out. But i'm you know i definitely have feelings now and i like want to move forward but now i've gotten this weekend five But something may not be totally right like not had that conversation at all or have you had it and it was awkward and didn't go anywhere. I think we were still like. I said trying to feel things out and it's only a couple of months. I feel like we've just like been taking a little slow. That conversation really hasn't come up in its entirety at okay. Let's say that she's talking to someone else. I mean we can't necessarily say she's cheating the so are you completely out or are you going to use this to as I wanna be exclusive. We need everyone else out of our lives. So it's just us or i'm gone mean i you know i would love to be exclusive. I i totally get it. If she's talking to someone else but the thing is i have this weird feeling that that that something to do with one of my co workers and really good friends But i hang out with a lot. I mean not always like super fun. And she's like one of the best people to go out with. You have so much fun. But when the three of us were together i just feel like she really oversteps boundaries with The last girl. I'm dating and i just like excel. Say things like in public. She'll be like let's take a pack like look how we are with our girlfriends and like just weird things like that. I don't. I don't know if that's like that's kind of her personality. But i just feel like there's more to it than that we so natalie. Natalie's calling celeste. Are girlfriend yes. She knows something right. How come you haven't just asked celeste. I'm i don't. I don't want to accuse her of something that's not happening. You know that. Might just be awkward and i know you don't have to do it like in an accusatory way you just be like. Are we seeing other people right now. Or what is this. Yeah i mean. It's just weird. Because i feel like you know natalie is one of my really good friends so i would not assume. I wouldn't want to assume that something was happening between them. Because you know she's my friend you could almost if you're going to give natalie a break you could almost think okay she's trying to fade in in in be cool and maybe what she thinks is cool is cringe. Edu and it was just a weird energy. That i'm getting okay. So have you been intimate with celeste. Yes have you been intimate with natalie. No okay listen to the birds. What's going on here liar. Okay all right so we're going to get on the phone right is that we wanna see who she says flower to. Are we getting natalie on the phone. See of natalie sends them to select what are we. What are we doing. And you wanna get the last on the phone okay. Receives lessons of flowers to you mariah. Okay okay so here we go. We'll do it next. War of the roses continues next which jane rich jane rich i. We're in the middle of the roses. We got mariah and celeste. They date for a few months but mariah thinks that her good friend. Natalie is kind of getting in between a little bit kind of crossing some boundaries somewhere. I want to see if celeste. We'll send flowers to natalie or she said to herself or to mariah. So that's that's kind of checking out here because they haven't really established at their exclusive right but it's been four or five months of seriously dating so is natalie Into girls mariah. Yes i believe. So hello hi. Is celeste debatable. This is her. Just feel like i couldn't available right there. I do hope by doing well today. So my name is sophie. I'm actually with a new company or call. Jane are flowers and this is really cool seles. So you've actually been chosen to be our micro influencers. Oh yeah you're like. What does that even mean right okay. So it's really cool so because we're a new company we wanna get the word out about jennifer flowers so you could send our most romantic bouquet of roses to who really ever you want. And it's totally free and were hoping that you share us on whichever social media platform you use the most. So it's free to you because basically you're kind of like doing marketing for us Go yeah sure yeah. It's really awesome. So like i said it's our pure passion became a dozen red roses. I'm comes in a really nice crystal vase. We'll send it out with a nice little card and that's really just like your chance to sort of personalize it Some people like to be fun. Flirty kinky. i mean. I've really kind of heard it all. So the only information on need from usa celeste. No credit card or any sort of payment thing like that is just. Let me know what message you want to write on the card and then we can get it sent out and then hopefully you can post about us. Oh great yeah. I i can. I can do that. So i actually have that card ready. We'll start with the message. And then we'll go address and where it's going and all that Okay can i Can you just put like I hope these make your day a little brighter. Love celeste little brighter. That's sweet taste okay. And then who do. I address them to Search name would be natalie and a natalie a are you kidding me. What what what was that. We don't what's going on. Yeah it's mariah. I can't believe you would do that to me. That is so foul way. What is this. Why are you on the phone. I called into the radio. Could find out if i was right and i right i mean like honestly. I wish i could say that. I didn't believe this is true but well here. We are getting me. Oh god you're so childish. Why would you even have a desire to do this. Because you're always talking about me about how like so for so many things but you are sure you are sending romantic flowers to somebody. Who was my friend. would you do that. You are foolish. You would tell me you wanted to be with me and only me and then you would text your exit. You love her right in front of me. How do you think that made me feel right. Talk to you. You are if you wanted to do that. Whatever you you honestly natalie are you kidding me my friend. Don't you think that's weird. We haven't been exclusive. We tried to have that conversation and then you turned and texted your ex. No you love her. I honestly none of this matters. This matters okay. I told you. I wasn't gonna play these games with you but you continue to do so anyways because no one can tell you anything and you're going to do no matter what those were. Your exact one. Go to my friend i just. I just thought you were someone else. I thought you were different person. But now i see you truly are so no okay. Sorry we get along and we click and she's honest with me unlike you at least be straight up with me instead of telling me that you wanted to be with me. But then go and texture x. y. Okay what lane you up. So bad what. Am i going of the day at the end of the day. You really hurt my feelings on this but you know sucks for you. I guess. Because i really like you and was -veloping feelings for you so Ads for natalie. She can do whatever she wants. I'm just gonna take an l. on dot friendship Because clearly i overestimated her to okay. Can we pause for a second maria. Because i was kind of curious about something. I think we all are so you. Whatever the texting the i love you park. Could you go back to that while thought didn't really happen. I you know. I recently broke up with someone. But i'm over that now and yeah we keep in touch a little bit. Just i'm just trying to get over it still which is normal. You always have a grieving process. You can't even be honest during this phone call. He asked you a direct question. You can't be sitting there. Like i was sitting right there next to you. What why are you not defending me. I thought i literally thought we had something different here. It's very hard to defend a liar. And that's and that's what you are. And i'm sorry i can't be in a relationship with someone who's gonna sit there and lie to me and to be lying. I got back. Wow but we'll see we see who true color coming up really completely full of but whatever fine. I'm the bad guy here. Yeah intervened this. It's always hard to do a war of the roses when you really haven't established that you are only seeing each other because it's like i mean technically you're both in the wrong but technically you're not because you never once said to each other that i'm only seeing you right you know it's just massey. Yeah like mariah. How do you expect to lest to want something serious with you. Have your over there texting your ex. Like it's kinda hard. I'll be mad at her for even looking for something with natalie. Honestly i wouldn't have. I wouldn't have minded if she was you know hanging out with somebody random but the fact that it's one of my friends that i introduced her to just really low. That's what it is. I mean i could say that good. People gravitate to good people. But i'm having second thoughts of you're one of those good people. I can't believe you would orchestrate. Something says i can't believe you would do this well. You didn't paint me as the bad guy fine. Whatever i'm the bad guy. I'll take on this really what to say to you so i don't think there's anything left to say. Well the good news is you didn't invest a whole lot of time into something that clearly isn't going to work. I mean gotta look at the glass half full in this sticky situation. Yeah yeah. I guess i wonder woman trishaw colors. I guess you believe them. Okay so maria no longer going to be friends with natalie and your relationship was celeste is over. Is that what i'm hearing. Yeah i guess so. Definitely not continuous. Celeste okay and celeste. You're gonna continue your relationship or pursue relations with natalie. I'd like to see where things go. Yeah because i was very nice pleasant we sell the card mean outside of mariah coming at you. Everything on your side was very pleasant. Yameen i she makes you got some okay. Well thank you both for going in there with us the gomorrah you have your answer class with that. That's the roses the judge in rich text. Us we won't go see you like that guy you match with online and went out with once and he said he wanted to go out again has responded to your last four messages anyway texting. And your message tonight. Six eight nine. Three john jay rich. I wanted to play a couple of things for you. I don't know about you guys. But i have a problem making phone calls now. 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If you want a relationship to work scorpio's don't forget anything that happened in their past and who and how anyone has ever crossed them but in a relationship when that you intend to keep and continue. It's worth letting go of the little scripts scuffles in order for it to work. Oh it's time to get frozen. Honey letting go. Betty go scorpio. Let it go syllabi. i'll ride To roll on the third day john jay. Let's let's rifah duleep. Baby drew skoda sinead gemini morning. Hey good morning pages. Don't do it like what's going on. Just don't be in a relationship that's why rations so far jemma nuys It says to nurture your own interest if you wanna relationship to work. Gymnasts can easily lose themselves in conversations with their partners but even the most interesting person in the world eventually runs out of steam so to keep it fresh. Take a break to do something that you're interested in and do it so low. It will definitely give you more to talk about that. I can definitely let me give me a chance to miss you a little bit. Yes i got it. You need them. You can be. You can spend time together but you need to do your own stuff to you're right you're right it's like you just like mark you can't say people that's going to win this weekend. The please make sure they bring some spring. Have some water maker. Yes because it's going to be really really hot is that how does how big your event has become now where you just can't do it in a group chat and you have to get on the radio until everyone interested as adventures role. That's how we roll. We'll talk to. Let's go to november torres. good morning. good morning november. So ford taurus is as here that you have to let it breathe. You have to. You have to let the relationship. Brief romantic sign will always let their partner know that they love them. But you have to watch out for the balance between sweet gestures and smothering attention. Trust that if you give your partner space they will miss you Right the mom agreed all right. Well thanks guys have a good one you to bring my sunscreen november's going great you go into that. I don't know about this one right. When i'm pregnant degrees i am. I know all right right. Things gave by now. John jay for virgos you have to accept the flaws in a relationship in order for it to work. Virgos are known for being hard on themselves but they're usually hard on their partners. That's only because they care of course but if you want your partner to know how much you really love them you have to learn to accept their flaws. Even the tiny ones i do accept her flaws as she is flawed. Doubt that she has to be able to deal with you chi over the last to be yourself in a relationship. That's the one advice that's given to libra. Your need to be liked to override. Your real desires needs. If you're in the mood for pizza. Don't play the. I could do anything for dinner game. Your partner won't love you less. i starting yourself. They'll actually love you even more you. I don't know whatever you want to know what happens a lot sunday thing for you guys. Pizza says is that are you doing. Why is it that every son edge. I get bored with it. But i get to pick what we eat for dinner every other day of the week so i say you can have sunday pizza. Oh that is nice. Rich for pisces. Odd don't try to be the hero in a relationship. Pisces can be self sacrificing for the ones they love but it's not always good to give in and never put your foot down. Relationships are about give and take and sometimes you need to take a little more training and for capricorn. Lighten up a little bit when it comes to being in a relationship. The great thing about capricorn's that they take amendment seriously like very seriously but sometimes it's necessary to east on the work part of a relationship and just enjoy the fun part about it. It's okay to let yourself be fool for love. Every once in a while brooklyn and leo truckdriver diana. Where are you today. Diana columbus ohio. Right so dan for leo's you have to let your partner shine every once in a while you're the of your life but in in a relationship you have to practice planes that can string every now and then for your partner. They need to know that. Use the how much they shine as much as they see you. Okay you know of the spotlight so you gotta give them the spotlight. You're welcome by dana. We get your side. It's posted at john. Jay enrich dot com. What's your working on for three things you need to know. There is a new stage coming to the workplace when it comes to zoom calls as you know a lot of people are coming back to the office however it's kind of like zoom call on steroids. I'll explain failure next. John johnson rich talks about this stuff on the air. We'd straight up get fired but since its own a podcast. It's totally cool. John jay bridge afterwards on iheartradio. Or wherever you get your podcasts cow what do we need to know today during the pandemic we. We're all kind of forced to find ways to do things differently. Right and i think one of the biggest most universal changes to the workplace was zoom. Call right instead of being able to in person we were able to meet via technology. Zoom calls and now that you know a lot of people are starting to get back into the office. They do think that there is going to be an element of technology that sticks around and it's kind of like an altered zoom so bunch of major tech companies are actually introducing a new way to communicate minus the zoom fatigue. Holograms last one. We work announce that they're gonna bring holograms to about one hundred of their buildings. Similarly google revealed their project star line which is basically a video chaffee holograms and these companies. Expect holograms to become more and more common in conference rooms that you can't physically be talking to the emperor. Yes yes now. Facebook is getting into a new business. They're developing their first smartwatch with plans to debut this next summer the device will feature display with two cameras that can be detached from the wrist for taking pictures and videos of course can be shared on your facebook page. They're also tapping into other companies to create accessories for attaching the camera to things. Like your backpack or your wallet or whatever And they're hoping that they can track you in different ways now that you could your phone just getting. I added that myself so it is kind of like a stigma. That guys can drink more alcohol than girls not anymore because statistics show women can actually drink just as much and are drinking just as much as men. The only problem is that's not really a badge of honor per se so they also found while women are drinking as much as men. They're suffering the health consequences of alcoholic liver disease heart disease and cancer much quicker than men and even at lower levels of consumption. So maybe you can drink your boyfriend under the table. You better watch out because it's going to catch up with you quicker than it will him sort of like a psa sucks. I know i know. I know sorry. That's three things you need to now. I always. I've always wear hoodies here right. Pockets of front and i'm wearing a sweatshirt not without the pockets of front and keeping my hands like i have pockets. They feel so weird that there's no pockets of from any realize how often i use the pockets of front useless for everything. My phone in their hands in their conquerable is weird. Like walking on it. And i'm just keep going like this rubbing your tummy like when you wear like an outfit with no pocket. Where the switch it again. Because it doesn't have the it's really nice. The sweatshirt thank you judge. Rich and tax axe stacks an hacks cianci and rich google trends put out some stats on what we've been googling during the first big heat wave of the year search for beaches and swimming pools of skyrocketed. This week the phrase signs of heat stroke jumped two hundred percent and we're searching for ceiling fan direction in summer three times more than normal. Tinder is adding block contacts. An option that lets you avoid being match of people that you know in real life co workers family it exacts an xs. I'm sorry xs. that's a good feature. You think you would have alabama go. You wanna match with your sister guide. England was fired after you call. In sick he got caught hanging out at a bar in a judge ruled that he shouldn't have been fired because the company's head book doesn't specifically say that you can't socialize on a sick day so now they have to pay this guy. Budget money for wrongful termination. An annual study rank the best cities for gaming addicts. Look things like internet speed. and how. many gamers jobs gamer. Jobs are our top five for twenty twenty one irvine california austin texas san francisco. Seattle in orlando main is number one in a new study for states. Hang -gree rights when you're n. They're hungry an angry. Mississippi's number two. The least angry status illinois followed by georgia a guy in meth climbed into a piece of farm equipment in a vineyard of northern california earlier. This week stuck for two days until he was rescued. He's facing charges for trespassing and drug possession. Thirty-six year old guy. Virginia was arrested saturday after he threatened to kill everyone at mcdonald's because they were still serving breakfast and it was too early for a happy meal. A couple of stories. Good news stories. A girl who was headed harbored return to forty thousand dollars scholarships with someone going to community college habit. A border collie in idaho went missing after got thrown from a car wreck. But it's okay. Someone founded on a nearby farm herding sheep. Which is what is meant to do. That's cool okay. Model the might might all four cramps survey by midal fund sixty percent of women under forty have apologized for the period before even though they shouldn't have to the most common things they apologize for are being moody getting emotional. Not feeling. Great physically employees at disney parks aren't allowed to point with one finger because it could be seen as a negative gesture by people from other countries. So they always point with two fingers to notice when you ask directions their bathroom for their. It just seemed more friendly doesn't let me flight attendants always do that. It'd be hard to get used to. The nineteen percent of people have made a sex playlist. There are now swedish fish marshmallows. Looks like their regular marshmallows. But they're covered in swedish fish flavoring coating. I'm side love swedish fish. Several people have paid candidate deal with wet concrete. The got backed up into their houses. Through the sewer. That's weird you see. Cement commodity told him a strip club in new orleans is offering a thousand dollar signing bonus. Because there's a national exotic dancer shortage. How was that. Not your lead story. Now let me present this to replace something for you. Remember saying that was like Remember okay there was the dress that was what colorado is address light and gold black and blue audio. Was that audio. Some people could hear some people couldn't and laurel that one morel member. Okay this is a different one of these. This is a soccer crowd chanting. now what are they chanting. It sounds like they're chanting bart simpson bouncing bart simpson bouncing poverty simpson bouncing. I know. I wonder if you didn't get to that. So bart simpson bouncing or are they saying rotating pirate ship rotating pirate ship had all day. Whatever and here or are they saying. That is embarrassing. Talk like that one better. Baptism piracy or lobsters in motion. Lobsters motion feel. Like i still hear bart simpson bouncing act on all of them saying that. Isn't mercy doc. On board thing lactates in pharmacy go ever the mountain chatting by way crowd. They're assuming he was saying that's embarrassing happened. But that's so bizarre anyway. Would you ever life experts all right a lot of people travelling in fact all my friends facebook feeds and instagram feeds are all. They're on vacation. So if you go into the beach. Here's a good tip for your phone because you want to keep it safe from the sand and you still want to use it. Put it in a sandwich bag. The touch screen will still work. And if you're driving to any sort of beach ever driven in hidden like i don't know like some swarm of bugs instantly your car windshield. You can't even see through it and it's gross. Well when you get home or get to your destination you probably don't have what they have at the gas station. But you do have some cooking spray so spray that all over the grill of your car in your windshield and then just use a paper towel in wipe it all off in those life hacks are all up. John rich dot com. We got some entertainment news reader. get to answer. drunk dials. Whole bunch of judge rich. If we talked about this stuff on the air we'd straight up get fired but since its own a podcast. It's totally cool. john. Jane rich afterwards on iheartradio. More wherever you get your podcasts. So there's some pretty cool entertainment news but he have. We've to start with the kardashians okay. By the way. I was like hoping it was just a rumor but konya has moved on. He flew to france for his birthday with iran. Shake bradley cooper's baby mama yesterday it was like a whirlwind trip because they're already back right and they're as tmz says one hundred percent romantically involved. Now kim apparently is fine with connie dating as long as it doesn't affect the kids and that whole portion of the relationship as long as she's fine. Go ahead and do what you gotta do now. We've learned pretty much all the details about all of the card. Archie jenner's over the last twenty episode or twenty seasons of keeping up with the kardashians. Right we've learned so many things about their lives. The way they wanted to tell it of course would be good for them. So it's coming to an end and andy. Cohen is sitting down with the cast. And he says he in this two part keeping with the kardashians reunion special. We'll ask all of the hard tough questions. It gets a major dish out of the family. What people don't now as you said to me. I'm going to put you in a car. No one will find you. Just lee and i'll take care of it. Do you think you omen apology. Do you think your relationship might have turned out differently if you had shirt so much weight. The substance abuse was. The deal is responsible. So to courtney and travis of your blessing when tristen i unit arguing. How did you know it will be done again. Chris have you forgiven caitlyn for how she treated you. I mean i'm an teasers. For it has aired yet the first part of the two part series next thursday in there they said they're gonna cover all twenty seasons. I've never seen watch what happens live. I've never seen the keeping up with the kardashians and that trailer. What's been happening in their lives. So we want an update and like we want to know those questions. Right like courtney and scott the like what is the deal. Does he approver as you pass like. We've heard the rumors right. And of course khloe interest in the whole meth like back. Yeah not life. No watch what happens. Taped it. watch what happens live. it's the keeping up with the kardashians reunion special. Which is the guy cohen is hosting. Yes yes yes yes yes yes also somewhat shocking for some people was latest red table. Talk where jada pinkett smith. Her mom and her daughter decided to steam their nether regions. Let cessation are you guys getting sitting here like a lot of warm yeah. Steaming is in anxious practice that originated in asia and africa to cleanse yourself. You finish menstruating. Oh i've read somewhere. That vaginal steams are like an aphrodisiac. This is lovely. They say there's lots of health benefits but for me. I just feel like spending time with your vagina in a way that like just to just show at appreciation and cares couldn't and for some people they're like. Whoa not used to hearing talking about this. Which jetta talks with her mom. How speaking about that area can be taboo and she jada was like before you want to stop and judge the episode. I i'm telling you right now. I don't wanna hear nothing about this. Show it being tmi and all that because if you can listen to all these low rap artists talk and abused the giants. I sure as hell can watch women. Give it honor in prague's in quality. Time so i don't wanna hear it because we have to change the narrative around regina and women have to take it back And there you go. I like here here judge. it's very john rates. Okay so by the way. I believe it is now playing on. Hbo max's the heights. we've been talking about it forever the heights. Now before lin manuel miranda created hamilton. He did the heights. it's directed by john. Chew crazy rich asians and it is on now. it's also playing theaters. Plays in theaters and each bill. Maximum threat in the heights. The heights and i know that It was a play. And i remember because i was a huge lin. Manuel miranda fan. I was reading all stuff. And i was watching all the vines him his dad. So i'm very excited about watching this now that it's bill max and on the big. Hbo maximum on the so. What happened with your husband. So i've been sharing with you guys. About how scott fischer. My husband has been expanding his horizons when it comes to his career like for his whole entire career. He's been radio and tv so he's the guy you here. He's the voice you hear on the news tonight at seven. You're drinking water killing you right. But because the pandemic and everything he really wanted to sort of like you know spread his wings in the voiceover community and so he's been auditioning for a lot of new different types of jobs and stuff like that and that's our shared that he he got the gig to be the voice of the jonas brothers tour which i thought was awesome and he's done a bunch of other concerts and stuff like that since then. Well this is the first. This is something that he's actually been auditioning for for like the last year. They sent these things that happen and he auditions and he hasn't gotten them but he keeps going. He keeps one and he finally got one and the scripture for bits on jimmy kimmel show and so he's been auditioning senate and they don't pick him and they picked him for this one and so this actually aired last or the night before on kimmel. This is a tricky month for major corporations. Because nowadays you can't separate your business from an event like pride which it has become obvious is easier for some companies than others bass pro shops. We know that the great outdoors his place. All share is pride month. We're celebrating those who love the outdoors and members of the same sex cal for all. We know there could be fish that are gay. I'm talking to you rainbow trout bass pro shops. We're still trying to figure this whole thing out for them. Without even listening to the comedy listening to anything he delivered at like an assassin. Like he did not wait at all he went right for. That's what's really exciting. about this. As i guess someone from bass pro shops reached out the commercials for i like talking back and forth off. I thought was so amazing. Was it when he did the jones brothers commercial. How all the jonas brothers started posting videos of them listening to his voice. Marshall that blew me away because they've been in the business for ten fifteen years. They've heard their own concert commercials a million times but the one your husband did made them post their own videos gut reaction to this. That blew me away. it doesn't happen. No that doesn't happen relish amazing and not only that but the first one was like nick. Jonas right yeah and then it was like joe jonas within coming all three like it was so crazy i know so. Hopefully he said that because he's not like. I guess what they call a union worker in hollywood or whatever they i guess had to like him to to be part of the sag union or whatever and once he does that then like two other like hollywood jobs. Maybe like movie trailers. would he dies. He'll get a memorandum. Yes wow fingers crossed yet. So morbid the oscars table shows face. It'd be so cool trailer for a moment after all fat trailer job. Don't you think he'd be so good at that. You'll be bigger than stacks and hats. Kibble is like this tax axe stocks in hacks control trade and rich thing before. He's big breasts. He's already too busy for maize. Think he's a good guy. Could things people. That's huge john. Jane rich use your phone with the way it was originally designed be used talking to other humans. Eight seven seven nine three seven one four seven johnny and rich. So there's this mysterious black substance that has been staining defeat a visitor said all the beaches in maine the ba- trying to figure it out and they have figured it out and they say it's the crushed remains of tiny insects lick gross vic though a lotta insects. I wish i had a picture before. Tony black isn't much to our surprise. We saw there wasn't some kind of algae or or an oil spill or something that you might expect that it was just a whole lot of dead bugs in a lot of gross different so was a couple of oceanographers trying to figure it out so anyway and they couldn't get it off the bottom two and that's that's the beach the swim. That's all in the water to all of your body. So there's a story on buzzfeed about how a lot of celebrities are now making people sign. Nda's and it was at a nondisclosure agreement so whatever you do with them. You can't tell anybody. Celebrities are making people signed in days before they hook up with them. So we're just throwing this out there. Have you ever signed an nda. Now payton on our show said. She had assigned nda with a celebrity. So we want to hear your story to eight seven seven nine. Three seven one. Four seven charging rich richer brings up the other day off. You're talking about somebody. Signed an index hooked up with celebrity. Yeah and they were talking about how they were. It's a big celebrity party. Didn't say who the celebrity was because they can't but they had been messing around into drugs and then they went down to party and drink some more than went up to his bedroom. Is it more drugs in then right before they hooked up he pulled out a piece of paper and said before we hook up. I need you to sign this. It says he won't talk about it and she thought that it was weird that they had done all that stuff and then he pulled out the way towards two hundred if everybody's had to do that before they've had a celebrity encounter not because of just sex but anything but this person cited and then then hooked up they talk about everything before signing after not after signing fascinating so they could be like i had sex or i did drugs or so and so I talk about yes. she said. they're like messing around and everything but right before it happened so we wanted to have you signed in india with the celebrity A business style. Because remember i had to sign one for the pizza place but they were and peyton. You signed an nda thirty. I was asked to sign an nda. And i said you guys are crazy. I'm leaving simonneau deng. Nda so what was the situation. I've actually two different situations with it. So when i was in vegas and was some rappers. And they're like okay. Yeah we're going to go up to the hotel room ended and we're gonna do whatever it was and they're like okay security guard in the front the before you walk in the room and i looked at my friend. I said i'm not signing that. Like are you kidding me. That's ridiculous. I don't care i don't care enough and then the other ones you left or let you in no i left. My friend signed the nda. She stayed and she had a blast. She was like you're gonna regret it. And i'm like well i don't like i don't care enough. That's not important famous rappers to them now. The ac tell us who it was. I didn't know another causes. Lots of troubles would be. Yeah and then. I had another one and it was some athletes some professional athletes. And they're like okay. Yeah signed the mda's and give us your phones and like what the hotel or a party or house. And i was like no not signing in indiana. I'm not giving you my phone. I don't feel sick with my go or no. I looked at the guy. Who wasn't. I said i'm not signing that. I said i'm not gonna do it. And he was like okay. Just keep it on the low. I said i literally don't care enough about you to know fence. But i'm just regular person you know. All these girls will soon over. I'm and like get real girl. Come on now. You went into the party. Yeah i was there before so then this guy had sex with other people. And i don't know i wasn't there for that. I'm sorry dead so you probably had sex with some of the nba. I'll i'm i'm sure but like they were doing a whole bunch of other stuff too so it was more for that i was more of that and i was just like get real not doing that so now you know if there's an nda that's going to be a hell of a party was a hell of a party. You the okay. I'm self potent emily you. What's what's your story high. So i heard. San was on a c. In competition show back in nineteen and we all had to sign an nda telling them we're not gonna tell anybody that were there and him filming until the show actually aired otherwise they could sue the one million dollars. that's terrible. yeah so his. He never actually got the opportunity to Edition with the way the show works. I don't if they're shell. 'cause i'm had like five minutes read but the contract they don't know exactly what it said section. Then i'll go there for drugs so he signed the. Da performed on this reality. Show the singing competition twenty nineteen. It hasn't aired yet your holding out. Now he actually never got the opportunity because it the slots filled up. We all found everything film before so it was all shot but not ever actually ended up on. The show is now give us. Cause that'd be fun to post like somewhere on your instagram or something to so people could watch him. It was a really cool experience Gift because he was on a set of a really popular show on netflix. Like it was so cool but million dollars set a hint of netflix's be one. It's not it's not on netflix. Live like on the team on tv. But i i don't wanna get too much. Anything seasons has urban seasons. After your husband that already aired. Yeah yeah melissa metrics there oh just. Aired is at another hint window giving so let's get to some drunk dials. Lot of people call this drug down. The number is six zero two eight nine hundred thirty three. That's our drug down number. You can call us in time. We've got quite a few for last night. Talking about that Kendall jenner picture at the basketball game. There's also shoes in the photo. Like if you look underneath her feet you can see two see under there almost as the heat wearing a gown in sitting in the seat next to her wear shoes. I thought she was like. If you look under her feet there are shoes. Jane rich dot com. You can see it. John dot com the surprise. Look at it. We posted it on her instagram. To right but we need to learn jane. Rich dot com okay. I'm not saying the shoes. But i am seeing shadow in the buzz face. Something under there could figure out that they was the skeleton and it doesn't matter. I mean the thing is what i is explaining. How oprah said you've got root see the signs right see the signs you see a hummingbird and say your mom like my mom right so if you see a demon looking at you through a box of popcorn there's demon looking at you gotta see the signs. So that's what i'm saying yet. Another down love john jay. I'm kyle. I have a phone to pick with you guys do. They told me to watch. The mur of these towns say is that it's called the murder of these towns. So i'm yelling at my extremity and say may your of these town 'cause i thought you said mayor of these times that it's not. The mayor is the murph of some everybody out there to snow. When you can remote you have to say mercy of data. Czar there a r e. Not mayor like the mayor of the city or but in defense. I will say a lot of times. We don't enunciate correctly a little buzz so much different more doubts coming up next jonty rich. We won't leave you on red. We reply triumphs texting. Jj are in your message tonight. Six eight nine three. John jane rich by the judge drugged outline is six zero two eight eight eight one thousand nine hundred thirty three call us. Anytime leaves a voicemail message. You might end up on the radio. Everybody and jonathan again huts tuesday night You know pay in. I think they're a great addition. I jason from tequila. I now tonight. But also you've you have to try mountain. Dew major marilyn. It's so bomb utah and could be less hang l. Excuse injury she likes to do major mallon arrive you guys. The greatest show in the whole world have a great day. Thanks jonathan you to and in good tip the beverage jonathan call out Sorry take enough doctor. So i had to switch to dr pepper in there is also a main he guys and you guys should know that the best candy in the world is reasons with pretzels. And it's like the perfect combination of chocolate to are presley french and sweet and salty and so all right john jay college. Joey make pay. You guys rock. Jonathan john candy. I was talking. There was this new swedish fish. Marsh bell outlooks switch fish. I love milk of junior. My favorite my kids love all kinds but what's to remember okay in the tv show. Sweet tooth The kid gus is his name he loves candy. And a given this candy that one eats it for the first time he just likes lisa gracie of all time and i can't remember what they're called mike in dutch each leader gummy worms. Gummy worms sweet their sour patch but they're worms devour patch warms patrons. Okay there's no good and when he eats them. I crave them when this kitty some the way. Aides have you ever get to that scene. ever watch Sweet tooth on netflix. When the kid it's our patch worms is going to make you want to eat sour. Patron only ones the the. They're literally a name that my kids called. I think their sour patch worms. His they have sour patch. Kid and i know they have sour straws. Snot that sour worms. i think that's what's worms or sour arms. Oh my goodness. He's such a cute little. I don't know it's on. It's on them sweet tooth on afflicts the okay couple questions. First of all four seasons at what exactly does the costuming just wondering because i was born on tough about and then i guess that's all in the way of questions i just wanted to say. Hi to everybody in the studio including gary joey and peyton and he's for you on the radio. Oh you like on your baby picture. What does he. He won't liking consequences now. I would just like to say goodbye into clare. i am not. i just can't tell on the radio. Time austin merchant band. I can tell you guys if you watch sweet tooth What sweet tooth sounds like. It's cute oh that's the voice of gus ally. That sounds exactly like ten year. Old kid sweet tooth. That's what this show now. That has to answer the question. If you're on. The cusp of being a libra versus scorpio was like she's talking about horoscope sign right. Yeah so if you're close to the date wear the horoscope sign changes. That means you're in the kospi could potentially have some of the characteristics of the horoscope sign. That's coming up or the one before you okay. Now we're gonna place whose that's pop ten judging rich places at pop ten or contests. This is pretty big All the phoenix suns are on fire. Right now we have devon devon. Are you there. Hi devon booker. Yes exactly right. You were great. Last night i seven this play pop. How you places so this is pop culture. In ten seconds i will give you a category and then you have to name as many things as you can in that category within ten seconds now do not forget. You do have a timer very beginning. That's gonna tell you went to start a three to one all right then you. You will hear the whistle at the end that tells you went to now we will go over some of the ones you do. Miss right devon okay. You're going to go last. John jay rich kyle than you already starting with john. Jay migos is dropping their new album culture. Three this friday. The checklist is insane. By the way. Have you seen it polo g juice. Drake it's insane. Now name trios into music on. Tlc child The supremes the jonas brothers hanson beatles beach boys or those some of those rights rich everyone but the beatles. Okay someone die the beatles. Three of them. They don't perform the other one really. Just stop is that what he did with. The guy died not going to be drums. Drums impressed four points for you. John pretty strong yes. This will not be alarmed rich. I'm sorry bring. It's confirmed that soldier boy and bowel are doing a versus battle. I think that's gonna be really good. I need you to name songs from both artists soldier boy tell them Cheetos awesome doesn't keys one. You're talking crank tellum. His name kiss me through. The phone is another one out of my sis. Tom like you sierra member okay. All right sorry original point for you there kyle. Sorry i'm books better for that versus though kyle. It was kind as birthday a couple of days ago. making him a gem. Ni- you your. your baby. Boy is also a gemini so name celebrities that happened to be geminis young Who celebrated their birthday. You know going to say Lady gaga also Justin bieber and cooper and arena. Change zero you got kendrick. Lamar two pac biggie. All geminis to see who else angelina jolie tom. Holland cody rigsby. Nick new guy. Nick is a gem. There's actually there's a list of germany celebrities. It's trending yesterday. I saw it isn't that word is a weird weird considered geniuses. That's why you just saw yesterday. Who else was on it. Do you remember Almost posted it. 'cause events is also natalie portman. It gives failure but doesn't call himself a genius. Yeah a geminis do actually are. I'd you ready okay so a new trailer for space jam to anew legacy was released yesterday. That's coming out. July sixteenth so name as many looney tunes characters as you can talk on funny. Tweety daffy has million devil. Ooh all right. You got four there so you are tied with john. Jay very good round to really quick. John jay domain. These tailings break is over. She's back on instagram. She's teasing new music now name celebrities whose first name is meghan stallion. Meghan markle meghan trainor. Megan mullaly megan monaghan. Oh megan fox fox is waiting for you to say that one very nice you got a total of eight points right now rich So if i get like eight points you tell you all right. You can get ten points. You've got this as ten seconds. Father's day is coming up next weekend. Name as many rappers dads. Ti snoop washer. Drake Good five five. Yeah all right kyle does. You can't just announced. Her new album called planet her. A job june twenty-fifth name as many doja cat songs. As you can handle the okay go. Famous cats okay. Talk no brain already down. You were going planning on acting. I know there's no way she's going you catch on foul soldier more juicy. I keep a juicy juicy so like that best friends okay. devin john. Jay has eight points. You have four. You can tie up. You can beat john j. You ready okay. So kanye released one item of his easy and gap collaboration. Of course that jack sold out in hours name musicians at that. That's their first name starts with the letter. K kim kardashian jenner kendall jenner kris center of cardiac devin who instead of musicians and ask celebrity ari. She got on song that would give her six points. Came out with rise. China's right okay. That would be seven. Still couldn't be john jay though i would have dropped. Kim kearns win all right. Hold on never going to set you up with great game last night. Three things need to know. I'll tell you this the company that's getting sued for texting too much your next challenge eight rick now. Becton john rich. You have apparently meddled with us. Nuclear technology forcing some facilities to go off. Line sleep well tonight. I don't have up fixed. Judge could the way for a california woman to sue subway for constantly texting her so she joined the free sub promotion still got texts sent the stop texts and i guess subway told her You should have read the contract because we can send you these texts but now the the courts are saying subway when someone says stop that means stop so we'll see how this one pans out because this ladies looking for fifteen hundred bucks for each unwanted text and she's proposing a class action lawsuit so if you also joined that sub promotion and got lots and lots of unwanted taxed so we may have to shell out millions of dollars for not understanding though words stop. That's what you need to know the picture. Let's get lots of high behind it of kendall jenner in the suite watching the suns basketball game but there's an evil spirit right next to her go to judge dot com. Thank you for listening to john. Jay branch on iheartradio reward. Ajayi rich dot com.

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Impeaching Trump: The Sequel  | PM Show

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Impeaching Trump: The Sequel | PM Show

"It's that time mocking load. Michael very show is on the air. I want you to listen to chuck schumer trying to announce what the senate is up to. And i want you to notice how he stumbles and tumbles over his opening line. Maybe he's just nervous because all the cameras are on him. This is a guy who's lived in front of a microphone and cameras for quite some time. It's almost as if he knows that what he's doing is wrong. Listen to this. In a moment i will call up a resolution to govern the structure the second impeachment trial president of donald john. Dr donald john trump. We didn't edit that. We didn't alter that listen to how uncertain he is how uncomfortable he is saying president. Trump's name this is tell this is for you rounders fans. This is him pulling his oriole apart. This this is his. Tell in a moment i will call up a resolution to govern the structure second impeachment trial of president of donald john don donald john trump. Let's talk about this impeachment. Talk about why they're doing it and how it's going to backfire. Why are they doing. You might be asking first of all. There's a raging discussion as to whether it's constitutional for them to be holding an impeachment trial when impeachment is a form of redress a sitting official to remove them from office. That's what impeachment actually is the removal from office as a punishment. So why are they holding a trial when they can't actually remove him from an office that he's already left. There are a couple of reasons. The first is when you come into office when you win an election. You have a big decision to make. Do i do what the people who got me here wanted or do i spend some political capital and do what i think is best to do. There is a reason that joe biden privately as we're told he did against continuing the impeachment. There is a reason for that in the reason is or twofold. the first is it overshadows. Him biden is well aware. Nobody's excited. He's president nobody. Nobody is thrilled if you look at all of the traditional honeymoon coverage of the new president. It's about his dog and it's about his it's about kamla harris. It's not about him oklahoma harrison. Her husband have the marriage. We all want in life. Kamala harris dressed this way. Kamala harris is from this background. Of course it's hard to get excited about a guy that's been in elected office since nineteen seventy two. It's hard to get excited about a guy who's been running president basically the entirety of his life. An old hack politician of no particular note and no particular charisma and to the extent ever had any that was back in nineteen eighty eight when he was busted for plagiarizing and lying plagiarizing. Neil kinnock's speeches the labour leader of the united kingdom and lying. About how well he had done in school. Which just wasn't true at this point. He's sort of the old dowager. The all the vestiges of what was once a elmer. Gantry politician being dragged across the finish line for his last marathon. Nobody's excited he's air biden knows this looks bad for him. It looks bad for him. Because we're still talking about trump the democrat. Play that again if you would listen to. How chuck schumer how uncomfortable he gets talking. He's not looking across the table. At donald trump. he can't say president trump's name without stumbling he is still afraid. In a moment. I will call up a resolution to govern the structure the second impeachment trial president of donald john dr donald john trump. It's not that hard to say. Why are you stumbling chuck. What what what about. It is so difficult for you to process so biden privately argued. Let this go a it. Overshadows him we're still talking about trump and be. Most americans are somewhere in the middle and most americans are ready to move on. You look at the polling data. Most americans say i didn't like trump but let it go. That's what most americans. Or a majority plurality say and even if they didn't even if the fire breeders wanted him impeached this does not look like good governance the first act of the new biden administration after the executive orders for a guy who said he was against executive orders for guy who said that trump was a dictator. He issues a more executive orders than the ten presidents before him combined and as a result of that he already looks like a guy who can't get any consensus who can't get the senate and the house to work with him who doesn't have a mandate and all the senate and the house are obsessed with is donald trump again he lives in the shadow of donald trump. He lives in the shadow of a larger than life man and that causes him to shrink even further. It makes biden look small and irrelevant. It makes the house. And now the senate look petty. How does it look to americans who haven't received their two thousand dollars. They were promised by the democrats that trump promised him. How does it look to those americans who have lost their jobs who are struggling. Who were living behind a mask. Out of fear or out of mandate whose businesses have closed who fill the paul of this pandemic and then the lockdown. How do you think. Americans who are not particularly political. Feel right now when the house and the senate are taking up the nation's business and the business they think the nation cares most about is punishing donald trump by removing him from office. When he already left. We're going on a month since he left the office on january twenty. This looks so small and so bad. Now michael berry show you can often look back and say some ler situations in history and with some time. It gives you a better perspective. We're so caught up this moment that we can't see the bigger trends and what's happening. We're talking about the impeachment of president trump and i made the point that and i continue to make the point that this is a terrible. It's wrong on so many levels but it's going to turn out to be a strategically bad move for the democrats now. Most of you listened to more than just me. You may listen to hannity. Melissa rush Mark levin glenn beck somebody local to your market. Lots of other people. I won't speak for anyone else. I will just say. I don't tell you how i think things are based on what i want them to be. I tell you how. I think things are based on how i believe they are and i realize that many host some hosts don't do that and that some listeners get angry because if i tell you i believe something to be the case then that in some way makes it more likely that that will happen or that. An audience member will want that to happen. That's not how i i work. And i want you to understand that. I'm not telling you that i think the democrats are overplaying their hand because i hope they'll overplay their hand or because i don't want him to do this. Both of those things are true. I'm also telling you. Because i believe it to be true when republicans impeached bill clinton. In his second term bill clinton was a lame duck president couple of things at play worth noting. When bill clinton was elected in nineteen ninety-two. He came in as every president does with some big ideas of things he wanted to get done in those of you who were around that time. We'll remember this. The democrat dream has always been to get control of manufacturing. They do that through global warming and of healthcare. Because that's how you control the that's the ultimate rotarians again if you can control who can get lifesaving care. And who can't you can control people's behavior and not just whether they eat chocolate or smoke cigarettes how much they sleep. How much they drink. You can control every aspect of their life. You've seen this under the guise of public health. Look at how businesses have been. Shut down there has been a massive wealth. Redistribution away from small owner operated local businesses to national companies like amazon walmart. Now i understand. It's an economics to say. Wealth distribution or redistribution. When amazon was already wealthy company most individuals don't have but if you actually look at the numbers you are taking the wealth of small businesses many of whom closed many which closed for good and many that that that have burned through their savings in her are now on their last leg. Trying to figure out if they're gonna make it or not and wondering if we'll ever open because they can only hold out for so long and the purchases while there may have been less overall activity economic activity the economic activity at places like amazon walmart target actually increased and their control of share of the market. People have changed their behaviors in ways. That when this is over there will be a residual sure. Maybe you'll go back to going out to restaurants for all this is over but for many people you've started ordering in food and you'll do that more than you ever did before and that won't change for many people your order groceries instacart or service you use and and that that will remain for many of you. You won't go to bob's hardware tommy's bike shop or any number of other small locally owned businesses flower shops bike shops hardware shops basic goods. You won't you won't go to your local story more. It may not be there anymore so there has been a massive change in the way life is conducted but we go back to the point. I was going to make. The democrats have always worn in control of your healthcare in november of ninety two when bill clinton is elected in january of ninety three when he's inaugurated the first and most important thing for him to enact was what came to be known as hillary. Care for those of you who were around. Hillary was sort of his running mate at the time. Nobody realized how unpopular she was going to become. She made a couple of statements on the trail that really cost them including when news of his affairs came out. It was just jennifer flowers at that point. We didn't know about Paula jones or monica lewinsky or any of the others. It was just jennifer flowers in some of the others. What what didi myers. His press secretary called d. called bimbo eruptions at the time When that happened. Hillary clinton said i'm not some tammy wynette stand by your man woman and that was really offensive to stay at home wives and southern women and that didn't fit well and there was another interview where she was talking about being a lawyer at the rose law firm and And she said Well i guess. I didn't stay home and bake cookies and that was offensive to stay at home. Moms be that as it may when clinton was first elected and he wanted to get hillary care past failing at that the two things that really cost him he failed it. Hillary care didn't get it passed and it cost him. A lot of political capital just as obamacare did to barack obama that hurt him and the other one was what came to be known as the assault rifle ban. Yes no such thing as an assault rifles. Not a category of guns. But that's what they called it. That killed him. It hurt him. In the mid terms with white southern rural voters and as a result for the first time in decades republicans took the house and that changed everything that changed everything. That's when newt gingrich comes in contract with america had republicans not taken the house in ninety four and had the house for years later. He would have never been impeached because remember. The senate didn't vote to convict. It only passed out the house. The senate did not vote to convict so when he was impeached for years later things. We're actually going pretty well. In this country. Bill clinton had personal scandals but he was actually pretty popular. The president and the reason was because of dick morris. Dick morris is strategy for winning back the white house in ninety six after the loss of the house in ninety four which was really a repudiation of bill clinton did more strategy and ninety six as bill clinton's most important advisor on that campaign was triangulation. He said let's go grab the policies that make the republicans popular and let's make them our own and that's what they did. He worked well with newt gingrich. He made very public shows. After the lockdown he appeared to be working well with newt. Gingrich on behalf of america's families in it made him pretty popular win. Ken starr came in and like a dog on a bone. They started following this trail in the arrogance of the clintons. I'm up against a break. I'll continue this my my point here case. My point here is democrats are overplaying their hand. And i'm going to tell you how republicans wanted that as well as the michael berry show. I'm jeremiah dixon. Salt point is the democrats are overplaying their hand with this impeachment of donald trump. And i was telling the story about bill. Clinton when republicans in the house impeached clinton in. I think it was ninety eight. You have to understand why they did that. Bill clinton was a lame duck president justice. Donald trump is now out of office. Bill clinton couldn't run again and you could argue. Maybe they weren't a wound him because al gore was going to be running for president in two thousand. But i don't think that was it. I think the smug arrogance and the slippery nature of the clinton of him and her because remember she was tied up in whitewater. I think that. Ken starr is is a man who is kind of this southern baptist. Deacon who who doesn't wanna see evil done and he believed that it was important to prosecute bill clinton and you can agree or disagree. I care. I'm just making the comparison between then and now republicans started with whitewater ended up with monica lewinsky. Republicans started with a financial scandal of a real estate development in little rock arkansas. It went through the mcdougals who remember. They wouldn't testify against him. Susan and james james was the head of madison guarantee. I think it was and susan was a movie producer and they went to prison because they refused to turn on him. Susan had a lot of friends and that made clinton sort of sympathetic figure. Because here's susan sitting in prison rotting in prison and kim start. Looks like a bad guy because she won't turn on bill clinton and give them the goods on bill. Clinton public opinion began to change. Well the investigation went to paula jones. And eventually there's a payout to paula jones. Terry mcauliffe went on to be governor of virginia democrat. Went on to be head of the dnc. He's he's kind of the bag man for the clintons. He gave him the almost million dollars to pay off paula jones and then to prove the pattern with paula jones. Here comes monica lewinsky and that was going to be the case. It was hard to get americans to focus on whitewater because it was a kind of complex real estate deal and most people don't really understand what's legal or not legal about a real estate deal but you know what people do understand. Sex sex is very easy to understand. He had an affair. He's a bad man. So the basis for impeaching him in many people's eyes was not lying under oath in many people's eyes it was. He had an affair. So if you follow. Ken starr was up to what started as a financial scheme. That may have been illegal back in arkansas. That involved him and his wife turns into him cheating and again. It's whether he lied under oath but now it becomes a case of a moral case and less of a legal case in the court of public opinion. It made hillary clinton very sympathetic. Hillary clinton is an unlikable human being her cackle. her calculating ways her cold ways. She's not very likable. Bill clinton is say what you will. He's very likable. But when you drove a wedge between that you made this mother of this young child a very sympathetic figure here. She was hung out to dry grieving publicly supposedly wounded and hurt bill. Clinton lied to the american people. He lied to everyone around him. But what we found through all of that. And trust me on this. I've spent a lotta time reading public opinion. Polls through this period of time what we found out through a lot of the through what we've learned through time is that people thought that that was scandalous and that he was a scoundrel for doing it but they didn't think he should be impeached. I don't need to hear that you thought he should have been impeached. middle america. thought that was much ado about nothing chris. Rock had a comedy skit where he basically says the man got a sexual act performed on him and is that so bad now again. I'm not saying that's a good approach. That's how our republic should function. I'm telling you what the american people thought. then you enter linda tripp. She's physically ugly. She's kind of a troll looking person. You hear the tapes. Monica lewinsky feels betrayed by her linda. Tripp is this is kind of comes off as kind of scheming. Ugly woman who's in possession of the blue dress and so republicans believed we got slick willy. We've never beat him. We beat him this time and they played their case. They beat him in the house. They voted to impeach. There's a republican majority. In along party lines. They voted to impeach and then in the senate where democrats were were in charge and had a majority. They voted again along party lines and didn't vote to convict and by and large it went away except it didn't because as a result the polls showed that republican that voters didn't like republicans after that now. If you are tempted to say well michael. That can't be true. Because bush beat gore in two thousand couple of things to remember gore put clinton on the sidelines. It wouldn't let him campaign with him. Because gora thought that clinton was an albatross for him wasn't true gore lost states. That clinton had one in the south clinton could have helped him win. One of those states. Remember the hanging chads. If he'd won just one of those states he could've turned it. Gore's terrible canned. He's no bill. Clinton and bush was really good candy and americans like to go back and forth. They the balance democrat republican. We've seen this over and over all right. We'll talk more about this. Oh yeah the michael berry show so let me take this last segment of this personnel and conclude my comments and make some sort of a predictions. And i do this partly to save your wound. I no a no for those of you. Who are trump fans. This feels wrong. Not beating a dead corpse because the man is very alive but he's been silenced from social media and everyone knows this his rome inherently. We know this is wrong. Inherently we know this is bad. This is ominous. This feels fundamentally unfair. And americans have a general sense of fairness things should be fair. Now remember when i say this. I'm not talking about you. You're a talk radio listener. You're far more informed far more opinionated far most of you far to the right of the middle in just the same way that washington post and new york times and in their folks on the other end. Most americans don't live afra- politics they don't watch cable politics all day long. There's still a lot of people in the middle. Who were passively observing. What's going on. And they're gonna cast a vote at election time. We're going to have primaries in a year. A year from now we will already begun our primaries to determine the republican and democratic candidates and believe it or not both parties are going to have some bloodletting democrats washington post and the new york. Times will tell you that. The republican party is in a fight for it soul. What's it gonna be the party of trump or is it going to be the party of the bushes in romney's and mccain's or boson romney's i'm going to tell you. The democrats have even bigger challenge on their hand because the democrats don't have a leader. Joe biden is not their leader. In fact he's in the way. Can you imagine if joe biden survives. I don't believe he will but if he survived his first four years. I don't think his health holds up for four more years. But what if he does what if he does and or somebody else tells him they want him to run again and he says okay. Whatever they say. I'll do it. That's going to be a real problem because you got other democrats waiting in the wings including kamla. Who are waiting in the to run. And now you've got a situation like nineteen eighty where jimmy carter wins in seventy six. Because the parties wounded after watergate. After nixon resigns. And then ford pardons carter wins and seventy six. But carter's and inept president. the democrats. Don't actually like him. He's far too moderate for the party. So in nineteen eighty teddy kennedy runs against him and was on track to beat him until he sits down with was it. Charlie rose a roger out. Can't remember who asked him but he sits down for an interview and he's asked the question. Why do you want to be president. And he goes during the headlights as if he'd never thought about it. Because i'm a kennedy and i'm supposed to but we could be witnessing that nineteen eighty moment in twenty twenty four if joe biden is still alive and wants to run for reelection. Get a real problem on your hands. Then because the left doesn't like joe biden alexandria. Ocasio cortez ilhan omar. They're already calling him out and there's a lot more people like them that you're not seeing it. That are extreme progressives. the left in the democrat party is the extreme progressive cultural marxist. Communist are very aggressive and they know they brought a lot of muscle to the table and they want the seat at the table. They're tired of being part of the coalition. They wanna run it. They want one of their own to run it. Obama was supposed to be one of their own and he didn't govern far enough left for them. Now i know know what you're thinking. My who he was so far not for them. He was so far left for you but not for them. They want a bernie sanders. They want an elizabeth warren. They want somebody like that so four years from now three years from now the the election begins the primaries and all begin with two and a half years from now you start talking about who the candidate is going to be. The left is in a very very precarious situation. Because they can't know what joe biden's health's going to be and trump's not the guy that you're running against at least not as the sitting president. You can't run for president on a reelection platform of i'm still not donald trump. That may or may not have worked for biden in november depending on what you think happened that election. It may or may not have work. We do know that he's president today and we do know that some people voted for him and we know that most of them voted for him because he wasn't donald trump but ponder for a moment. Allow yourself to project out the draft in twenty twenty four if he's still alive and he still wants to be president. It's very rare for a president to have a challenger from their own party. It's it's a death knell when happens. I'll tell you that it happened to jimmy carter in nineteen eighty when teddy kennedy ran against him and it hurt him. It happened to george h.w. Bush in ninety two when pat buchanan ran against him and it hurt him. When ted kennedy ran against carter and eighty he ran from the left. Carter was considered a centrist candidate although he governed as a liberal in nineteen ninety two george h w bush has over a ninety percent approval rating after thumping saddam hussein and pat. Buchanan runs against him from the right this time. Bush was considered sort of a moderate. Republican buchanan comes in with the first of the maga- campaign a lot of what donald trump did he watched. Reagan pat buchanan and richard nixon. Do and came at it. From a nationalist populist right approach so if that happens to the democrats they're in real trouble if they get a progressive candidate if bernie runs again if elizabeth warren runs. I don't know that she can get the moment. I don't think ready yet. But they've got a real problem. They may find a fire young brand candidate that runs. I don't think calmly does it. Because she's inland and she's who knew that a ruined that so anyway. I think this impeachment is an overplaying their hand. And i think a lot of americans are gonna say there are bigger things to worry about than donald j trump in new people are obsessed with him. And now i'm sure of it and i'm going to punish at the polls that's my take. It's that time. Lock and load. Michael very show is on the air. The focus for the next would be two guests that we're going to talk about the biden administration. The second guess the second half of this hour we will talk about Biden administration's affect impact on your first amendment rights in the silencing of free speech the compulsion of of certain speech and how that will affect america the first half of this. Our our guest is very unique new rouget. She is the author of a weekly opinion column for the creators syndicate. She's a contributing editor at reason magazine. She's a senior research. Fellow at the mercatus center. George mason university in the article which we've posted it michael berry. Show dot com is About two weeks old entitled. Joe biden's plan for big government. The president's bill will create massive disincentives to work and leave future generations with massive levels of government intrusion and debt. For those of you who didn't hear our morning show today. I talked a lot about incentives positive and negative incentives and disincentives and and the importance of incentives. Economists use these terms a lot the importance of incentives in how it drives behavior. If you listen to elon. Musk talk about the importance of what he's doing. He uses the word insent. Which i never do. I use incentivize which is more of the american phrase. He's of course south african but he talks about incenting Entrepreneurism incenting innovation. Well we're going to talk about how joe biden's plan for big government disincentivize and i'll start you there. I'm going to read to you the the The second the first sentence of the second paragraph the objective of the one point nine trillion dollar plan is noble enough stimulate. The economy provide relief to americans and combat the pandemic but noble doesn't always mean good as they say. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I must i ask you. How do you say the road to. Hell is paved with good intentions in french. Thanks for having me. I you know. I don't think they have that expression. You should win it. You can claim it's your own. Yeah yeah i. I assume that direct translation would be the who down on fair it fundamental show i that would be. That's it may be an expression literal Talk to me about why. This plan is a bad plan. How how is it a bad idea. So let's start with something that A lot of people. I mean both pretty obvious to a lot people been independent. Make and whether it is been. Because i've lockdowns or simply because the fear of the virus have meant text that consumers have not want to go out and and and five and and engage in their recent activities a lot of restaurants a lot of stores a lot of businesses have really really really really struggled and had like not you know made the kind of money that they would They they've been held by the government but for many of them just. It just doesn't replace what was lost. What this plan would do is actually even if the economy open. Make the recovery harder. Because i it has an increase in the minimum wage which means Whatever one thinks about the level of wages Right now it means that employees employers would have to pay their employees more. That's really ill advised. When companies are struggling already having a hard time making ends meet so raising the minimum wage during a pandemic. even at the end of one is is about idea it also has It actually provides a lot of cash to people and this is a lot of cash to people on top of a lot of cash through other relief bills one example to lower the unemployment benefit is the regular unemployment benefits win- bonus at it on top during the care. It used to be six hundred dollars. The stimulus bill that passed in december is three hundred billion dollars on top of regular benefits. This one is four hundred dollars. What this means is that sixty two percent of those who received the benefits will be making more and not working then working and you can see how that would discourage going backwards or even encourage you know create incentives to actually Stop working as long as he's benefits are Are offered and this is just really contrary. It goes against what we need for the economy to recover. I mean it's never a good idea to create. You know to pay people to vote to not work but But this is particularly brutal when you come out of of such recession mike we had and as a former small business owner myself and talking to a lot of small business owners they tell you that in addition to it being bad for the people who now are going to sloth fully stay at home and and make more money by not working than working. It's impossible to get as a small business owner to get your employees to come in and work folks folks stop wanting to show up to work which grinds to a halt small business and they can't afford to pay more for labor. They can't afford raimo louise. This is precisely why is this slows down recovery if employers can get their employees back and that people with equal skills are You know getting the same benefits because you have to remember that part of the care act. The eligibility for unemployment benefits was widely extended. It meant that you you didn't have to be dismissed from work or you know laid off. I guess You could just just stopped working because you're scared of of the virus will because you didn't have child care for your children Independent contractors we usually wouldn't benefit with. Would it be eligible our our liberal So things you know a lot of You know drivers and things like this which just May find it more profitable to stay home. You know when you see economies. Obviously you spent time in europe as well when you is when you see economies. Have these these lulls these troughs in a cycle and you look back in and you realize that in in many cases it is the result of bad policies and in the months and years that follow you see job loss. You see investment dry up You see you know in tax. Revenues are short. So you're borrowing more money. It's a very very disturbing trend. Will continue our conversation with vera. Nick dura rouget. The article is posted to our blog at michael berry show dot com stay tuned in the michael berry. Show home the rest of them life. Wish you wouldn't know the good. How much care. Wisdom share and be data. Same team discovered the who knows that this day was taken shots. Everybody extent a maybe whatever. You're talking to veronese new rouget about a piece. she wrote. That appeared in reason. Magazine entitled joe. Biden's plan for big government subtitled. The president's bill will create massive disincentives to work and leave future generations with massive levels of government intrusion and debt. The debt is a subject that that we have paid way too little time discussing. But i want to talk first about the government intrusion. What sorts of precedent does this set. That concern you for the future. So here's some of the things that concern me i I'm concerned about creating especially because this will have been going on for year. And if the democrats have their way. I mean these extended Benefits because the the unemployment benefits is to be added also to individual payments. Right and you out all of this. And and what you observe is the actually. There's been a significant increase in incomes. during this pandemic which is odd considering the economy was in recession. But it was because so much government. Funding out to people I i'm concerned about the impact of Government spending You know over time Especially when people are making more working than not working sorry than working that it will create a lot of discontent And and i you know i i. I don't know exactly how to measure it. Economists are not very good at talking about this. That's that's one concern. I have the other concerned. The big big concern real concern. I have is that we know in time of emergencies Government spending goes up. I think we've gone over the top this time around it and especially because it's been really disconnected to the to the size of the of the recession is just a team that they went all out and all direction and they were just no bounce to how much they were willing to to put out the federal reserve which i'm not. I'm not a monetary specialist. But it was the monetary reserve and and also on the fiscal side And but but the the idea is that after the recession right. You see so you see a big spike. In spending and deficit spending after the recession or the emergency is passed. Then all of this money that's been going out all these programs that have been put in place temporarily They recede right there. We go back to business as usual. And in this case the biden implant is that he would actually make a lot of things that were put in place a temporary basis. Make them permanent. So for instance the tea leaves the national paid leave system in the cares act he would like to extend permanently the. Us has no national pay system. It doesn't mean that that workers don't have paid leave in the us but it just means that actually it is provided in the very flexible way Different companies have different plan. And and and a lot of workers are able to take pay the in fact when you survey when you serve governments are a workers you find that sixty five percent. Roughly workers say they have. They have paid leave here. This would establish a national Pay lease system That we didn't have before it was put in place on a temporary basis. And and i think there's some there's some There was maybe a case to do it because it was a pandemic and we wanted people to be able to stay To to to stay home and not work but You know the it would be a good idea You know for all sorts of reasons to actually extended beyond the emergency. And when you do this for a lot of things but you end up happening. Is that big jump in spending actually doesn't receive as it showed. We always see some of that happening. But i think in this case. We'll see it happening even more than in the past you talk about one hundred sixty billion dollar Vaccination program and related kovic health policies. And you say that's seemingly one of the the least offensive parts of the program but you say wait a minute. It's not a lack of money. That was the problem with the slow vaccine roll out. Its defective governmental institutions. Can you talk to that. Yeah so i'm not. This is not an area where. I'm an expert but You you know when one of the things that we know. I've read enough article. And i i. I recommend your your listener. Go and look at virginia. Postal wrote an article on the issues explaining why centralization and more centralisation would cause even more problems with vaccination roll out than it has and he explains for instance that One of the one of the reasons. I mean we don't even you know. Think of roll out of anything you In in regular circumstances precisely because It's totally decentralized. Companies are using middleman. There have their network of distribution and and here the government centralize not just centralized everything but also sets sets. They're yours to getting the vaccination these very least set standard which slowdown things. Right and more centralisation would mean you know even more even more Problem the other thing is That there's a really fantastic article by vala wien National review the factually goes into detail about all of these problems And that that shows you know money is really not the problem. They they're like. There are structural problem due to the agencies and the players in the distribution. That really make it very hard. And i can. I can at a at a smaller level. I can tell you here in virginia. For instance vaccination was going hard because hospitals were getting the vaccine well. The governor suddenly decided that it was going to not let hospital get the vaccine and instead they will be centralizing The vaccine distribution more and and giving it an and give it part of it to hospitals and and then allocate allocated in much more centralized fashion what ended up is basically Vaccination rates just fell down because hospitals were able to to vaccinate as much as as as they were in the past. Meanwhile the other system wasn't really put in place so it's Money the of money's not always the reason why the government is is an effective very often. The incentive themselves within the system of the institutions themselves are a barrier to effectiveness. There are so many aspects to this that are so troubling on so many levels. Unfortunately we are up against a break veronese. Dj we'd love to have you back. Fantastic piece. I encourage you to read it. It's on our blog at michael berry. Show dot com. And we'll see you again soon. Thank you michael berry. It's always a few degrees cooler. When he's on the eric the truth can be mighty cold. The michael berry show know. It's interesting asked. The you know of a single person who likes joe who's happy. Joe biden is president. Who wanted joe biden to be president. Love him or hate him that you have an opinion on trump mean people either really hated him but a lot of people were very excited. He was the president with biden sort of his claim to fame. Is he wasn't donald trump at the time that they had a very weak field but now he is the president and whether it's other people pulling the strings for him making some decisions himself and it's hard to tell and i guess time will tell we live in the era of joe biden as our president and so his policies are going to affect our lives. There's a piece in campus reform entitled five ways the biden administration will infringe on your first amendment rights. It's written by kimberley herman. She general counsel for the southeastern legal foundation. Which is in atlanta a nonprofit public interest con constitutional law firm that advocates for individual liberty free speech economic freedom and rule of law are kind of people. Kimberly is our guest in kimberly. With with your indulgence. I'd just like to go one. by one. to five ways the biden administration will infringe on your first amendment right rights. I've read your piece. The first one is hate speech bans which is so interesting because when you know nobody is in favor of hate speech but then you find out anything. The left doesn't like is hate speech. But how is this going to affect our lives. Yeah you got that right and thanks for having me here today to talk about this piece about the first amendment with your audience You know what we're gonna be seeing is we're gonna probably see a federal mandate banning hate speech. So what does that mean. Rate when we talk to people How is that different than what we have now. Because at college campuses across our country they frequently ban hate speech. Offensive speech bias. Now i don't know what any of those actually mean because none of them really have a legal definition They're very subjective to the eyes of the beholder. The eye the ear of the listener. But what we're going to start to see there's a federal mandate banning this so any institution that receives federal funding. So all of your public universities and colleges are gonna be forced to ban this type of speech. And if they don't they're going to be punished themselves so i think that's what's coming down the pipeline and when we talk on a broader level when you start determining that we're going to limit the expression of thought whether that's comedy It's invective whether it's literature. high literature at one point Beloved historical classical inch literature. That's now offensive to someone. I think of huck finn for instance You know the consequences for that. I mean i understand. You're a lawyer that that fights against infringements on our on our liberties but as a human being as a father mother person who loves the idea of expression. This is very troubling in a country. That's always prided itself on a marketplace of ideas and and the freedom of expression for the sake of expression even when it offends people. I i agree completely as a mom myself with school. Aged children. It's extremely troubling. Because it's not just being able to express yourself but it's being able to learn and being able to expose yourself to different points of view and to to those books to those pieces of literature that we read that shaped our youth. They shape our thinking. and the schools are banning those books. They're they're completely off of many reading lists For the smallest little reason that somebody may have found it offensive. But i think that gets to the root of it is. It's not really about offensive speech. It's about control and certain people in certain groups and certain politicians wanting to have control it is and and you know just as nazi as overused so is orwellian but as someone who has a very healthy appreciation for What what george orwell was was sort of predicting or four warning it's disturbing. It's disturbing on so many levels because the alternative is not we all live in happiness because no words are used that are offensive quite the opposite It creates a repression. It it bottles up an anger. And i think that that will always find an outlet the tea kettle without the ability to To let some steam off. And i think it's it's it's terrible so we go from hate speech bans which i think you're right. We're going to see a lot of to compelled speech. What do you foresee there. Yes in the area of compelled speech. This goes hand in hand with critical race theory right and not to get into the race aspect of it but even take that out and talk about critical theory. It is the idea of telling students that they have to say something. They have to do something for a grade for example your freshman. You're eighteen get into school. You have to take a seminar freshman seminar. The very first thing you have to do is dissect you're whiteness. You have to then write apology. Letters to female students chew students of color. That are in your class apologizing for the color of your skin and if you don't you will not pass that seminar. That is compelled speech and dot is unconstitutional. And we're seeing it at the k. Through twelve level and at the college level all the way up into our federal agencies in this country but there again disturbing there there. Again there is the constitutional violation. There is a violation of of the sacrosanct nature of independent individual thought. And then there is the more sort of broad ephemeral idea that when you're compelling speech you are forcing thought and that never ends will that never ends well it builds in a resentment and and i think that this is the sort of thing that breeds A ruby ridge type folks. I think it breeds the the militias. It breeds the sort of Mountain goers it breeds the the Conspiracy theories it's unhealthy. It is so unhealthy and it concerns me. Because that's not good for anyone. And and i think it it sort of it sort of sparks the powder keg when you do this sort of stuff compelled speech is an awful awful thing it does. And it's the same thing of using the word unity. Right i mean they can talk unity all they want but at the end of the day it's agree with us or you're the problem and that's dividing people it's being used to actually pit people against each other it's the idea of the oppressed and the oppressor you have to fall into one of those categories and i agree with you it never ends well And you end up with more people going towards each fringe instead of saying in the middle But i have to. I have to believe that that at the heart of it You know. Americans are good people. We have a good heart and we want a constitutional government. Try with kimberly tadesse. Hold hold with me for just a moment. Kimberly herman's our guest. The piece appeared in campus reform. And it's posted on our blog at michael berry. Show dot com. We'll talk more about the five ways to biden administration will infringe on your first amendment rights. Coming up the michael berry. Show salaam me watch. Your our guest is kimberly. Harming she is general counsel for the southeastern legal foundation based out of atlanta. It's a nonprofit public interest constitutional law firm that advocates for individual liberty free speech economic freedom and the rule of law. And we're talking about free speech today. Her piece which appeared in campus reform. And we've posted to our blog. Michael berry show dot com is entitled five ways the biden administration will infringe on your first amendment rights. The i was hate speech bans and remember anything. The left doesn't like is hate speech. Second is compelled speech the third which will ask her to explain now and we've seen a lot of examples of this peer on peer harassment. What did you mean there. Yeah i mean you had us at every level you have just in the classroom. But what i'm talking about in the the campus reform article. Something a little different. We're talking about student government associations actually silencing their peers We represented some students on a campus. There was the pro-life students Who were you know holding up signs and having a very peaceful tabling really. It wasn't even a rally they were just tabling and the very next day they're student. Government passed a resolution saying that. You could not pro-life speech on campus. Now it wasn't binding and fortunately the university their immediate realized when contacted them that that that resolution was unconstitutional. But what we're going to be seeing under a biden administration and his department of education is giving these student government associations more power right so requiring that you let student governments passing binding resolutions because the students are not gonna hesitate to silence the other students. They don't understand the first amendment themselves. They've been taught incorrectly so that that's a little bit about what we're going to see on this peer harassment. I know what an important area and the university experience is for those who go and how the things that made it. Once special are being destroyed and everything that the academy stood for is now exactly and stood against is now exactly what it has become the fourth way the biden administration will infringe on your first amendment rights is discriminatory covid policies. Talk about that. Yes this isn't really like your mascot. Your mask wearing things like that. Which a lot of people do call us about but this is more of the group eight can have a meeting but group. B cannot have that meeting we've seen on some campuses where black lives matter rallies have been held Whether they're wearing masks or not they still have well over. The permitted number of students are allowed to gather together in some cases well over a hundred with administrators marching with them and so they're allowed to have those events whereas maybe a college republican group or turning point group can't even hold. The meeting sitting outside safely distanced away from each other wearing masks. So these policies are being used To discriminate discriminate excuse me against viewpoint and content based speech And it's hard to root these out but we've got a lot of students that we work with that have come forward you know and and that deserves to be noted here. We point out the students. Who've runamuck there are a lot of good students out there. And i guess that's a folks who are reaching out to you who still believe in old-fashioned values like freedom of speech in the old voltaire line that i don't like what you may not like what you say but i defend to the death your right to say there are still young people who were standing up against this nonsense and i i think i think for those who are listening and for those of you who have kids that fit into that it deserves to be noted that there are those people yeah and and they're eager to learn about the first amendment we One of the favorite things that i get to do here at southeastern legal foundation is teach college students. We hold webinars on a weekly basis to teach college students frequently from conservative groups About the first amendment. So groups like turning point with leadership institute yell You name it and we do it in a small setting. And when they learn about the first amendment they can fight for their rights. And it's really really rewarding So this is not it. It makes my job a lot of fun. And i have to remind myself of that because it's so easy to get frustrated with what's going on in this country and to forget to occasionally Give a pat on the back. Encourage those who are fighting the good fight the fifth in the five ways the biden administration will infringe on your first amendment rights doubling down on all sides. What did you mean by that. What we mean by this is top down bottom up right so you're gonna see it in the classroom you're going to see it Through the administration. This is really just kind of our catch. All way of saying that students need to have their eyes open because even when they may not realize that they're being silenced or that they're being compelled to speak It happens and i think back to. When i was in college which was over twenty years ago at a very conservative school and looking back. I realized that there were numerous times. Where speech was compelled again. It was not what i believed. But i said it because you need to get the a so just to college students to be aware of that. Keep your eyes open and if you see it you know. Give us a call they can find us at. Saf liberty dot org and y'all make it your practice to bring cases on behalf of students and organizations to make a point. Yeah was make a difference Race if you get them to stop infringing on their first amendment rights yeah. We bring cases throughout the country in federal court. A minute left. what kind what. What are you looking for for cases for folks out there. Who say is this something. Y'all would take yeah. I mean one of the things that we are recently joined. a group called to stop Stop critical race. Theory coalition And so compelled speech You know curriculum. Syllabi where they're required to speak out against their beliefs or apologize for who they are That's an area that we're really working in because it's everywhere right now for people who keep hearing this. Crt critical race theory term bandied about and they hear that people that they generally agree with our against it. How would you explain it. In a few seconds i would explain that it's not about equality it's about equity which means pitting people against each other that's all it is. It's to divide our country into the oppressors and the oppressed. It's not about coming together. And his very very disturbing kimberly. Herman thanks for the good work. You're doing general counsel for the southeastern legal foundation. It is a nonprofit. They do take donations so S l f liberty dot org if you want to send them a few bucks. That's how organizations like this. Do what they do in. It is important and that piece is posted to our blog at michael berry. Show dot com. We'll have you back again soon. Thank you kimberly.

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The search for the anonymous author of a 1996 political novel

Retropod

05:46 min | 1 year ago

The search for the anonymous author of a 1996 political novel

"Hey history lovers. I'm Mike Rosen with retro pod a show about the past rediscovered last year. The New York Times published a piece written by an unnamed senior trump official the headline I impart of the resistance inside the trump it ministration when the article hit the Times homepage the Internet practically Milton as twitter began speculating leading about the writers identity politicos were making comparisons to an anonymous author who rocked the capital back in Nineteen ninety-six the rider rider of a political novel titled Primary Colors. Why was that novel so juicy well. The story is told from the point interview of the Fictional Henry Burton a character not unlike the real life political operative George Stephanopoulos who joins the campaign scene of Jack Stanton a southern Governor barreling through the nineteen ninety two Democratic primaries the novel was was fiction but the plot and characters seemed pointedly aligned to the realities of Bill Clinton's Presidential Campaign Stanton for instance had a penchant for other women a powerful wife in an affair with a woman named Kashmir McLeod obviously a stand in for Jennifer Jennifer flowers and all of that comes to light in the midst of his White House bid the book became a huge bestseller and and readers were desperate to know whether the author was a campaign insider or even more mysteriously the close friend of Clinton's committing friendship treason in Washington. The hunt was on everyone had a theory it was like a really geeky episode of CSI but one news organization took the pursuit to a whole new level with with a clever investigation the Washington Post in February nineteen ninety-six a month month after the book was published the post printed a giant all caps headline on the cover of the style section that was just one word wanted below featured the mugshots of ten suspects including Stephanopoulos the cartoonist Garry Trudeau as well as the writers Christopher Christopher Hitchens and Christopher Buckley but one suspect stood out Newsweek political columnist Joe Klein he had covered the campaign closely and had written revealing stories about the Clinton world over and over though Klein denied he was the author his agent and Newsweek's editor were among the few who knew the truth but in the summer of Nineteen ninety-six the walls closed in on Klein a clever Washington Post reporter named David Streitfeld got a hold of typewritten manuscript of primary colors from a secondhand bookseller. It was marked confidential for your eyes. Only do not distribute to booksellers oops anyway. This typewritten manuscript contained some very valuable investigative data little handwritten notes in the margin presumably zoom ably by the author making changes then Streitfeld got examples of all suspects handwriting including clients the post then untapped the former chief document examiner for Chicago Public Police Crime Laboratory who compared the samples against the manager after taking a hard look at the crossing of ts dotting of is the document expert concluded that Klein was the author of the NAM aw Streitfeld called Klein and confronted him with the newspapers analysis a short time later though with the Jig Up Klein came to his senses invest the following day in a front-page Washington Post story. He said my name is Joe. Oh Klein and I wrote primary colors. The fallout was serious. Newsweek's president said the magazine shouldn't have published. I items trying to guess the author's identity when clines editor knew he had written then Newsweek announced Klein wouldn't write for the magazine for several weeks and he even issued an emotional tearful apology to the staff but in the end wasn't too awful for Klein Hollywood after all turned the book into a movie starring Emma Thompson Billy Bob Thornton and as Bill Clinton John Travolta today Klein is finishing up another novel no anonymous byline this time client told the Post. You only get to do that once. I'm Mike Rosenwasser. Thanks for listening special. Thanks to Iron Shapira reporting this story for the Washington Post and for more forgotten stories from history visit Washington Post. Dot Com Slash Retro Pot.

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1992, Bush vs. Clinton vs. Perot: The Baby Boomer and the Independent

American Elections: Wicked Game

43:47 min | 9 months ago

1992, Bush vs. Clinton vs. Perot: The Baby Boomer and the Independent

"Two Americans William Gaylord and Paul Chap Baroni sit in a cell and Iran's infamous Kassir prison. They've been locked away for forty six days originally constructed in seventeen ninety as a palace has our prison was rebuilt and re purposed in the late nineteen twenty s for fifty years. It has stood as an impenetrable fortress used by the Polish ause who ruled Iran for most of the twenty century to house political prisoners, gaylord and chaperoning have no connection to the United States government or politics but they're being used as bargaining chips in a few between Iran and the business they work for eds electronic data systems, a Texas based Information Technology Company. Something's going on outside bill. Something's always going on outside. made out there yelling I. Don't know death to chard another one of their greatest hits now seems different. As the two Americans sitting there prison cell the streets outside fill with Iranian revolutionaries the Shaw has fled his pro-western secular Iranian government is crumbling. The Ayatollah Khameini has returned to Iran after fifteen years in exile to install his conservative theocratic regime. Followers of the ayatollah has spent the last several nights marching on police stations, jails, and government agencies they believed to still be loyal to the deposed shah. Listen someone's firing shots. You think it's the guards or the mob. Which one's worse? The two men fall silent as the chanting outside grows louder. More gunshots ring out followed by screams from the crown. Outside Russia's the gates of the prison. You're right Paul. This is different. Become Kilson breaks out. Within minutes, the answer is clear. The mob floods the prison and sell doors across Khazar sudden. If we're going Paul we need to go now where till figure that out later just let's go. Gaylord chaperoning step out of their self join the line of eleven thousand prisoners exiting 'cause. They make their way past prison guards who have laid down their weapons step out into the streets of Tehran. Seen outside is loud and chaotic to Americans find themselves in the new growing mob of people man breaks from the group manages to signal. Them. All Razor? What are you doing here? Come on we gotta go. Raise Salon is an Iranian employees of EDS. He leads his American colleagues from the to the Hyatt Hotel two miles away. When they arrive they're met by a small group of commandos led by retired Army Special Forces officer colonel. Arthur. Bull Simons who greets the two freed prisoners as good deceive to. Don't worry gentleman. We'll have you out of here in no time where are we going cross Iran and into? Turkey. What the Hell's going on. Ross Perot is bringing you. The people drive industries, entertainment and culture shape our world every day in bold dramatic ways. But did you ever wonder how they got there? Behind the talent features in depth conversations with people who identify and develop talent that people who find the people that shape our world guests include big league sports, Scouts, Rockstar talent agents and. Officers. Uncovering the skills and challenges that unite them. All is the job of host. David Mead. Experts Speaker and educator brings his own curiosity and insights to each interview to expand our understanding of what it means to be a recruiter in today's world of work brought to you by indeed dot com behind the talent is a must-listen for anyone interested in the secrets behind identifying talent and unlocking potential in individuals and organizations subscribe to behind the talent now wherever you get your podcast. I'm Lindsey. Graham and this is American elections wicked game. When William Gaylord and Paul Chaperoning safely returned to America in February of Nineteen seventy-nine eds founder and eccentric Texas businessman. Ross Perot went directly to the press with his story in interviews. Perot painted a picture of effectiveness United States government unwilling to help two of his employees who he claimed were being held hostage by Iranian government. He regaled reporters with tales of. How he had clandestinely flown into Iran gone undercover and helped his old friend Colonel Simmons developed the Perfect Rescue Plan Perot suggested Iranian eds employees like raise us a law were the ones who convinced the crowd of Iranian revolutionaries to raid 'cause prison these eds heroes then led their American colleagues through dangerous Iranian checkpoints and barely evaded arrest on more than one occasion. Two, years later in Nineteen eighty-one, Ross Perot track down Ken Follett a well known Welsh author of thrillers and historical fiction followed accepted pros offered to turn the story of the rescue from Khazar prison into a book in nineteen three on the wings of eagles became an international bestseller and nineteen eighty six it was turned into an NBC miniseries starring Burt Lancaster Perot self-promotion coupled with the success of on the wings of Eagles allowed his version of events to overshadow any other but very different narrative came from the. US State Department and from reporters who were unwilling to take Perot at his word they suggested Perot and his people had nothing to do with the raid on Kassir prison. But that Colonel Simmons in his men simply benefited from an already volatile situation on the ground in Tehran. They also claim that their subsequent journey from Iran to Turkey was entirely uneventful regardless of the truth Ross Perot's identity as a man of action had been solidified many. American. Soft Perot is a man who would get things done unlike the government. Throughout the Nineteen Eighties Perot gained more national fame and built on his already substantial fortune at five foot five inches with large ears a distinct speaking style and a unique Texarkana dialect Ross Perot cut a memorable figure especially on television by late Nineteen Ninety Perot became a mainstay on the twenty four hour news networks own. He no longer focused his interviews on his exploits in Iran or his business ventures. He talked about the flagging US economy and the domestic policy failures of Republican President George, H W Bush Perot even started to float the idea that he might challenge. Bush. In the nineteen ninety-two election. At that point president? Bush had paid attention to the Texas. Businessman Bush had been enjoying an upswing in popularity since the initial fall of the Berlin Wall in November of nineteen, eighty nine, and while the wall would completely come down until nineteen ninety-one President Bush was already being heralded as the man who had fulfiled Ronald Reagan's promise overcoming the Soviet threat and ending the Cold War. So, as the nineteen ninety-two campaign season approached and as George H, w Bush celebrated his success on the international stage, his reelection seemed all but certain there was one major issue though the US economy was sagging this left open the door for two challengers Texas businessman Ross Perot would whip up popular support among the American middle class and a little known democratic governor from Arkansas would make the case that he was finally time for a new generation to lead the country before long president. Bush, would find himself fighting for his political life fending off attacks from both the left and the right. This is episode fifty to nineteen, Ninety, two Bush versus Clinton First Perot the baby boomer and the Independent. It's February twenty first nineteen, ninety one in the White House residence President George H W Bush sits with a member of the National Security Council Condoleeza Rice Bush and rice weighed on a call from President Mikhail Gorbachev the USSR Bush anxious. If the Soviets did their job condoleeza, we should see a swift end the fighting over there. Yes Mr. President. United States and coalition forces have been at war with Iraq, since August, of nineteen ninety following an Iraqi invasion of its oil-rich Persian. Gulf. Neighbor sovereign nation of Kuwait. The US is on the brink of victory but Bush wants confirmation that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein will accept the United States terms for ending the conflict. The Soviets have served as intermediaries between America and Iraq throughout the process. Hello Mikhail. How are you? Good morning it's morning here. I know that McCain wire you working so late. I'm always working. Bush and Gorbachev work well together and they have for decades following the opening of the Berlin Wall the two men worked together closely to help unify Germany and today Mikhail is helping Bush bring about an end to the war. Kale took Bush's terms to Saddam Hussein unconditional withdrawal of Iraqi troops from Kuwait an immediate exchange of prisoners of war. But Saddam is pushing back. George spent three hours talking to the Iraqis. They are suggesting that the release of prisoners would come after the withdrawal which they are. Now saying could take about six weeks a very candidly. We have trust any more than anything Saddam says we're convinced he's beating these prisoners there has to be an immediate release and I very much appreciate the effort you're trying to make on the time of withdrawal, but he got a hell of a lot of troops into Kuwait in just forty eight hours so they can do a lot better than six weeks. Were willing to work with him on some points but the idea that he can somehow get a victory out of a crushing defeat would be unacceptable George I understand that we are discussing an issue of great importance and that is why I'm thinking about your arguments and the most careful way. We will make your terms cleaner McHale to reassure you once more than we appreciate what you were doing. That we're determined to continue to work with the Soviet. Union when this is over. I'm sure no wins in no storm can put us off the course we've made towards cooperation I will be in touch. Thank you very much mccown. One week after the phone call with the help of the Soviets. The Gulf War. Came to an end. Desert Storm as it had come to be known would be viewed as one of the most decisive and efficient military victories in American history. The televised display of American military power bushes ability to bring together a coalition force multiple nations and his willingness to cooperate with an old foe all contribute to a massive jump in the president's popularity. At the end of the war Bush was largely viewed as a strong military leader in the man who got the Soviets to work in America's best interest. The president trump supporters said had ushered in a new. World Order and with a seemingly impossible approval rating of ninety one percent in some polls George H. W Bush spent much of nineteen ninety one as a heavy favorite to win reelection Bush's popularity kept Major Democrats like Tennessee, Senator Al Gore and new. York Governor Mario Cuomo from entering the race however, not everyone believe Bush was unbeatable at the peak of Bush's popularity following the success of the Gulf War former Republican president Richard Nixon predicted Bush would lose the election saying victory overseas wouldn't make up for a flagging economy back home Nixon wasn't alone. A Small Group of Democrats saw the same crack in President Bush's armor. On October Third Nineteen ninety-one a Little Rock Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton declared his candidacy with his wife Hillary Rodham Clinton, standing by his side for many voters. This was their first glimpse at the Clintons fresh new faces in the Democratic Party, but the Clintons had been around. Back in nineteen seventy eight bill. Clinton had gained some notoriety as the youngest governor in America the age of thirty, two, two years. Later he lost his bid for reelection and most assumed the young man would fade from the political landscape but in nineteen eighty, two Clinton mounted another campaign and reclaimed the Arkansas Governorship the win eighty two Garner Clinton the nickname, the comeback kid and soon, the southern Democrat and Rhodes scholar with the easy. Going charm caught the eye of DNC leadership in the nineteen eighty eight presidential election when Democratic Front runner Gary Hart had been forced to withdraw from the primary over salacious photo with actress, Donna, Rice the DNC had asked Bill Clinton to enter the race at the time Clinton had felt ready. But in late nineteen, ninety-one with four more years as governor under his belt, he believed it was time for him to step onto the national stage. In the nineteen eighty eight general election Democrats had watched as Republican. Political consultants like Lee Atwater and Roger. AILES systematically broke down Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis with a series of pointed attack ads and public character assassinations in an attempt to avoid a outcome in the nineteen ninety-two election the Democrats turned to their own political consultants who could counter any such attack should the Bush campaign try them again In December of Nineteen Ninety Bill. Clinton hire political strategists james the raging Cajun Carville to head of his campaign. Carvel had a reputation as being smart relentless and a man who was willing to go to war with an opponent Clinton and Carville had met in the summer of ninety one and had hit it off almost instantly they shared an easy rapport and they even had a running game of trying to out southern each other by sharing stories of their respective childhoods in Arkansas and Louisiana. CARVILLE believed that the first month of the campaign was about survival their main competition in the Democratic primary was Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas carvel believe that if they could raise enough money and bolster Clinton's name recognition, they had a good chance of passing song as early on in the race. Building. Campaign. Infrastructure and getting Bill Clinton in front of people was the main goal of December of ninety one. Meanwhile. Carville continued to develop a strategy for potential general election showdown with President, Bush? For, carvel, the strategy was simple one. If they got past song as and nabbed the Democratic nomination, Hammer the president relentlessly about his continued economic failures to get his point across carvel hung signs at Clinton headquarters in big bold letters, they read the economy. Stupid. James Carville and former president Richard Nixon weren't the only ones who saw the economy President Bush's Achilles heel while a number of pundits and politicians claim Bush was unbeatable after the American military victory over Iraq evidence of a rapid decline in his popularity was obvious by the end of Nineteen ninety-one America had fallen into a recession and unemployment had reached eight percent in the minds of many Americans the president had failed to address a growing economic crisis people across the country felt the sting of the recession and suddenly. Republican strongholds in the Mid West and on the West Coast seems like they might actually be in play in the upcoming election despite these glaring issues on the Home Front. George Bush still preferred to focus on foreign policy. He had even stated publicly that when it came to domestic affairs, he had trouble laying out the vision thing as he called it this admission worried his supporters and became a recurring attack from the Left Democrats claimed by his own admission George. Bush had no real plan to help struggling Americans. But unfortunately, for Bush these attacks weren't only coming from the left. One of the main reasons Bush had been put on the ticket as Ronald Reagan's running mate in the nineteen eighty election was because he was seen as a moderate who could help assuage to fear some American voters had about Reagan's conservative politics but a lot has changed in twelve years and the conservative wing of the Republican Party had grown significantly conservatives have been integral in helping. Bush win the GOP primary in nineteen eighty-eight many ways. Bush's opponents in that Primer Kansas Senator Bob Dole offered a more conservative agenda but the right wing of the party had supported Bush because his linked to president. Reagan because much of his eighty eight campaign focused on conservative economic policies. Bush had made a major campaign promise in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty read my lips no. New. But as President Bush went back on that promise and conservative started to turn on him. The frustration of the conservative wing of the GOP came clearly into view when former Nixon speechwriter and fellow Republican Pat Buchanan decided to challenge George. H W Bush, in the nineteen, ninety, two primaries while Buchanan's primary challenge posed no real threat. His Candidacy was evidence of declining support Bush within his own party. Meanwhile, Texas businessman Ross Perot watched all of this from the sidelines. He had far more money than the fledgling Buchanan campaign could ever muster and he'd already gain national notoriety from his financial success and legendary stories about his exploits in Iran. At the end of Nineteen ninety-one, the ninety one percent approval rating George H W Bush had once enjoyed plummeted to as low as twenty nine percent Ross. Perot saw his opening while he would hold off and making any official announcement for Oh, took every opportunity to go on television and talk to the American. People about all of the problems in the country he thought needed fixing how President Bush was not up to the task. In early Nineteen ninety-two George Bush's popularity continued to wane with pressure coming from conservatives a potential showdown with billionaire, Ross Perot looming Bush struggle to right the ship. But with Bush floundering and Perot. Waiting in the Wings Governor Bill Clinton's rapid ascent hit a major roadblock. 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Your loan amount will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application not all applicants will qualify for the full amount. It Saturday February Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-two on the road between Manchester Nashua New Hampshire. Bill Clinton has just piled into a minivan with his wife Hillary Rodham Clinton his top campaign strategist, James Carville some close advisers tomorrow CNN will host a debate that will give the Democratic candidates their last chance to spar before New Hampshire voters go to the polls on Tuesday February eighteenth for the first primary of the ninety-two Election Bill Clinton is frustrated. There's no damn excuse Jim Song as in the others they don't talk about anything we should be doing better here. Governor has no one in this election better at detailing policy than you but we can't get bogged down in the new show it's not what voters respond to. I'm over prepared and I'm under prepared song has disappeared for days. I guarantee you. He's doing debate prep focusing on minutia. In reality, Paul Tsongas has taken a break from the campaign to deal with the painful I infection but Clinton has convinced himself. His opponent will come into the debate with hundreds of hours of preparation behind him. I what is the objective in this debate Jim to win governor? Carvel sips of beer he's brought along for the ride gives a wide grin. The objective is to make it about something big every time you can make it about the big choices. The better it is for you should I. be more aggressive. It's okay to be as aggressive as possible, but you've got to hit the big ideas being too aggressive is risky especially right before the primary I know it's risky but ship wherein a risky position we're in a war now don't make no mistake about it. For a while the only sounds are the mini vans wheels on the road and Kabul occasionally swing his beer. Then rodham-clinton brings up something everyone else had purposely been avoiding. You have to be ready for the question bill what question the question the one that goes if you can't keep your promise to your wife, how can we trust you to keep promises to us? Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't deliver the line as a personal attack or with any sense of hurt or anger. She speaks husband like a well seasoned political adviser questions about, Bill Clinton's faithfulness to his wife have become a major topic on the campaign trail and she is smart enough snow that they will be front and center at the debate. Remember Bernard Shaw's wanted monitors bill. Last time he hosted a debate he asked to caucus a hypothetical about his wife getting rape. He was going to shy away from this. A month earlier former Arkansas state employee Jennifer flowers alleged that she and Bill Clinton had engaged in a twelve year affair. The story had I run in a tabloid newspaper. The Star. But media outlets all over the country quickly picked it up even though Jennifer flowers claims hadn't been substantiated bill and Hillary Clinton had gone on sixty minutes directly following the broadcast of the Super Bowl to address the situation with. Millions of Americans watching they had denied Jennifer flowers claims then after openly discussing past problems in their marriage Rodham, Clinton had made what many considered the most memorable and most important statement of the night. You know I'm not sitting here some little woman standing my man like Tammy Wynette I'm sitting here because I love him and I respect him and I honor what he's been through and what we've been through together. And you know if that's not enough for people, then heck don't vote for him. Hillary Rodham Clinton's performance on sixty minutes was widely credited with keeping Bill Clinton's campaign alive. However, the Jennifer flowers, story still hung over Clinton's head in New Hampshire. The topic did come up in the debate just as she predicted, it would two days later Paul Song has beat Bill Clinton and New Hampshire primary by eight percent while it was a disappointing loss, the comeback kid couldn't be counted out almost immediately following New Hampshire the Jennifer. Flowers story would fade and Clinton would start to run away with the Democratic primary. Some would credit the shift in public opinion to Clinton's inherent charm on TV and others would say it was due to his wife's continued support. Many pundits however would come to believe the voting public had simply gotten burned out on scandal after having to wade through two major scandals in the nineteen eighty-eight contest. Iran Contra affair the Gary Hart Donna Rice Scandal. Whatever. The reason it was cleared the Jennifer flowers story wouldn't stop the comeback. On February Twentieth Nineteen Ninety two just two days after the New Hampshire. Primary Ross Perot made an appearance on C. N. N.'s Larry King Live. There was no surprise to see pro on any number of talk shows at the time. He'd made it a point to stay visible throughout the campaign season. Perot started this particular interview as he started many of his TV appearances with a message for what he called grassroots America where the owners of this country. We don't act like the owners we act like quite ravaged. He'd get programmed by messages coming out of Washington wheel misplace Larry King followed up with a question that Perot had been asked many times over this past year. Is there any scenario in which you would run the president? Can you give me a scenario which would say okay, I'm in if you're that serious you the People Are that series. You Register me in fifty states. Perot's response came as a complete surprise to king into many viewers at home. The media covered it as an official announcement that Perot would run when his supporters lived up to his demand and registered him in all fifty states Ross. Perot officially began his campaign as an independent candidate making the nineteen ninety-two contest. A three way race grassroots draft Perot factions sprung up all across the country to raise awareness of. Perot's campaign soon, the wealthy businessmen from Texas was being called a folk hero by Americans from all walks of life his reputation as a man of action persisted and in the spring of Nineteen, ninety two, it seemed like he would have a real path to the. White. House in May he enjoyed higher favorability ratings than both President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton many started to consider Ross Perot the frontrunner. Then, the summer arrived and everything changed in. June Perot appear to radic at times in public. He avoided answering questions put to him and he struggled to stay focused on any major policies and a speech for the N. Double ACP he referred to as mainly black audience as you people after the Backlash Perot said, he would no longer attend events that weren't populated with his own. Supporters Behind the scenes aides said Perot. had become paranoid that former CIA connected to President Bush had infiltrated his campaign staff for started demanding staffers take loyalty oaths. He also claimed GOP offered were threatening to ruin his daughter's wedding and cause other problems for his family on July Sixteenth Nineteen Ninety two Perot. Went back on Larry. King. Live and said he would no longer seek the presidency. On, that same day in. New. York City Bill Clinton officially accepted the Democratic nomination for president. He chose Tennessee senator Al Gore as his running mate. The DNC hope that to southern Democrats could widen the party's appeal in the south as the region had slipped into Republican control. They also hoped these baby boomers would usher in a new age of leadership by appealing both to their own generation, which now made up the largest voting block in the country and the growing number of Gen X. voters who reviewed by many as being apathetic about politics. The next month on August Twentieth Nineteen Ninety two George H W Bush accepted the Republican nomination at the Party's convention held in Houston's astrodome despite pressure from party leadership to make a change Bush stock with Vice President Dan. Quayle as his running mate, he hoped quayle would appeal to the conservative base of the Party and perhaps Garner some the younger voters Clinton was courting. With Ross Perot out of the race Clinton and Bush could run more traditional campaigns on the democratic side James Carville and Clinton Communications Director George. Stephanopoulos urged their candidate to continue to attack Bush on the economy. They also sent him on a mission to secure the Youth Vote Clinton showed up on MTV to talk about everything from his favorite fast food to how the country needed young people to rock the vote when he played saxophone on the extremely popular Arsenio Hall Show, Clinton became a hit with many of the young members of home audience and their baby boomer parents who are watching along with. Did. You ever think about playing professionally. Yeah and I liked it tonight, I like being on the other side of the posse. Watch drummer said what he said at this music thing doesn't work out you can always run for president. Whether appearing on our sin Yo were small town campaign events. Clinton wanted to show he and Al Gore were more in touch with the majority of Americans than George, Bush, Clinton and Gore connected with parents of small children and young adults because they themselves had kids at home Carville and Stephanopoulos is plans worked at every turn as fall approached. Bill. Clinton's popularity continued to grow and Americans increasingly blamed President George H W Bush for their financial woes. As Clinton continued to gain ground Bush failed to make much headway. Bush had never enjoyed campaigning but this time he seemed even less enthusiastic his own staff commented on how he often appeared holy uninterested and truth campaign lack direction the mastermind behind much. Bush's nineteen eighty-eight run. Lee, atwater had died in early nineteen ninety-one from an inoperable brain tumor at waters absence was felt everyone on. The campaign trail, he had managed to make the eighty eight race all about Michael Dukakis's flaws and weaknesses. But this time around the Bush camp couldn't seem to make an attack on Clinton stick and it wasn't for lack of Desire George H.W. Bush did not like Bill Clinton at least not in Nineteen ninety-two on multiple occasions in private Bush had referred to the Arkansas governor as sleazy. As a World War Two veteran Bush saw Clinton's apparent avoidance of the Vietnam War as an act of cowardice. He publicly called both Clinton, and Gore Vos in even suggested his own dog millie would make a better president than Bill Clinton however unlike in nineteen eighty eight, the character attacks didn't work part of that was simply because Bill Clinton was not Michael Dukakis. Whereas Dukakis had been viewed by many as being cold and distant on the campaign trail. Clinton possessed an easy speaking style and on-camera appeal had garnered comparisons to Ronald Reagan this went a long way allowing Clinton to rise above the type of scandal that just four years earlier had ended. Gary Hart's Political Career. Clinton also had his wife. Hillary Rodham. Clinton. A skilled lawyer and a savvy campaigner in her own right by his side. And then he had James Carville running his campaign. Dukakis's people have been caught unaware when the infamous Willie Horton ad aired in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eight, Carl would not make the same mistake. But the race was not coming down to just Clinton strengths. George Bush was struggling to find his own narrative. He ended up campaigning heavily on family values the topic that wasn't well defined according to polls was only a high priority issue for fifteen percent of Republican voters with October on the horizon. Bush realized his presidency was in real jeopardy. He started to prepare in earnest for the upcoming debates. He hoped going one on one with Clinton, on live television would be enough to show America that he was still the right choice but his often the case in American politics, October would be full of surprises. As, the nineteen ninety-two election headed towards the finish line Ross Perot will enter the race and George Bush would once again be forced to fend off attacks from both sides. Then just as the Democrats thought the White House was within their reach for the first time in twelve years, a secret dossier would surface and threatened to embroil Bill Clinton in a series of new scandals. Wicked game is sponsored by American giant in Nineteen eighty-five Sam. Walton Chairman of Walmart stores made a decision to buy American. It was a move inspired by Henry Ford. WHO said if he didn't pay his workers enough, they wouldn't be able to buy Ford and Ford wanted to sell fords. Walmart. 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Giant dot com that's fifteen percent off when you use code elections at American giant DOT com. On October First Nineteen ninety-two Ross Perot reentered the presidential race with a bang. His campaign reportedly spent close to thirty, five, million dollars on marketing, and soon he was all over America's television sets in response Clinton Strategist James Carville would call Perot's candidacy the single most expensive masturbation in the history of the world the ball caparros massive media by went into a series of infomercials in multiple half hour. An hour long slot on major networks Ross Perot appeared sitting behind his desk with a pointer graphs and charts. He talked to the American people about his economic plans and went on the attack against his opponents. But the infomercials gained far more attention Perot's unique performance style than his actual policies. We will not bring you one of those thirty minute commercials entitled Chicken Feathers Deep Voodoo and the American dream. Now, before I start I have to use a boost take again. And it's not completely inappropriate because the first time boy I ever went to Arkansas we went to the alligator farm. And this is a simulated alligator claw on blue steak. Reminds me my first despite Perot's ubiquitous appearances on TV. His newly relaunched campaign couldn't find the momentum. It had early on in the race an opinion piece in The New York Times stated Perot's chances of winning are much less than when he quit in July his only dim practical hope is to confuse and destabilize the contest beyond the infomercials. Perot made very little attempt to get in front of voters. Clay Mulford who was general counsel to the Perot Campaign, would say he wanted to do it just like he could go to the office every day run for president and go home and eat dinner. Not everyone thought campaigning was a simple nine to five with three presidential debates scheduled for October. The Clinton camp refused to let Ross Perot's return them during pros. Absence, Bill Clinton had surged in popularity. I- relentlessly hammering George, Bush on the economy and by laying out a vision for his America where the wealth gap would close and new technologies would offer opportunities for generation x as more them entered the workforce. The first of the three debates took place on October eleventh at the Washington. University fieldhouse while most believed, all three candidates made a strong showing the debate set up a pattern that would hold for. The remainder of the campaign while Clinton went after Bush. On the Economy Perot called into question Bush's spending on foreign policy initiatives and the Gulf War suddenly the war which had once been Bush's strong suit was now being used against him the one two punch Combo from Clinton and Perot left Busch beleaguered when the first obey came to a close Bush walked off the stage as the Clinton and Perot family swarmed in and celebrate it together. Ross Perot even made a point to take a picture with bill and Hillary's twelve year old daughter Chelsea Clinton who was hobbling on crutches due to a dance class injury. Second debate took place just a few days later on October fifteenth. Nineteen ninety-two at the rollins Field House in Richmond Virginia the town hall format of the debate allow Bill Clinton's casual conversational style to shine but a question George Bush took from an audience member became the main story of the night. Yes. How hasn't asked no debt personally affected each of your lives and if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems of the common people if you have no experience in what's ailing them? It wasn't Bush's response that garnered headlines while answering the question about Americans, experiencing financial strain, the president paused and glanced at his watch members the media many viewers at home took Bush's action as a sign that he was bored and uninterested in the concerns of everyday people. Some Bush supporters argued that he was simply trying to keep track of how much time he had left for his. Answer but Bush himself put that argument arrest when PBS News Anchor Jim Lehrer. Asked him about the moment the president implied he didn't want to be at the debate was. I. Glad. The Damn thing was over. Yeah. Bush. Said by the time the third debate took place just four days later on October nineteenth it seemed like you might be too late for the president to bounce back. After three solid debate performances, the Clinton team felt confident going into the final weeks of the campaign Carville and Stephanopoulos started to get downright Giddy as internal numbers. Show them winning back significant percentages of voters known as the Reagan Democrats after voting for Ronald Reagan in eighty and eighty four. Many of them had stock with Reagan's VP George. Bush eighty-eight that would not be the case this time around at the end of October Clinton his campaign and the DNC believe that there was nothing that could stop the Democrats from finally taking back the White House. But at the last minute, another potential scandal with threatened to derail the campaign put the Democrats hopes in jeopardy. It's Monday November second ninety two at Ross Perot. CHICAGO, campaign offices. It's the day before the presidential election. Steve Nari the director of Perot's annoy campaign office goes over his notes for one of the last radio appearances of the campaign. The Perot team knows they have no chance of winning but dinar he wants to highlight all of the positives his candidate brought to the race. A fellow member of Perot's Illinois leadership enters the room and drops a three inch thick folder on dinars desk you WanNa see this. Steve. Nari Scans through the mountain of papers as best he can trying to get a better idea what he's looking at where did you get this? It came anonymously. Probably from the Bush campaign. Maybe. But thought, you might WANNA. Bring it up. When you do Demont show later there's no way I could read all this verify before I go on the radio anyone could afford you mean anyone. But then Denier, he picks up the phone. What are you doing? I'm calling the Clinton campaign. To Nari Reaches Clinton headquarters and says, he wants to speak to someone confidentially communications director George Stephanopoulos takes the call George Steve Deanery. I've got a telephone books worth of pages making accusations about your candidate. I'm about to go on the radio here in Chicago. Read it to me Steve. The first part is a fact with names and addresses of women. Bill Clinton supposedly had an affair with names and addresses. Why can send you a fact with names addresses of women you've had an affair with wouldn't make a true but that's not all George. Claims in here that Bill Clinton is the father of an illegitimate black child and Danny Williams was complete bullshit. If you on the radio and say, Bill Clinton as the father of an illegitimate child. You'll be laughed at people will think you're crazy. But if you do this nobody will believe you all they'll think is your S- coming? I wouldn't do it Steve. Steve Dinara hangs up the phone. He stares at the folder. Would the information be enough to ruin Clinton at the last minute sway the election for Bush he doesn't know but he's positive. He won't be the one to put it out in the public. Steve Nari tosses the dossier into a fireplace and watches it burn. It has never been confirmed that the information sent to Steve Dinara came from the Bush campaign George Stephanopoulos. His side of the phone call would be memorialized in the war room nineteen ninety-three documentary about the Clinton campaign. As for Nari he would suggest if Stephanopoulos had said no comment or blown them off, he might have given more credence to the dossier. Stephanopoulos is strong response was enough to convince him. He wanted no part in whatever political games were being played. With the last minute scandal averted the Clinton campaign went into election day extremely confident. The American people would vote for change and on November Third Nineteen Ninety two, Bill. Clinton was elected the forty second president of the United States. He became the first baby boomer ever to hold the Office Clinton won three, hundred, seventy electoral votes and forty two point three percent of the popular vote it was by no means a mandate but he was certainly more than George W. Bush's thirty, seven percent while Ross Perot didn't win any states in the Electoral College. He received roughly nineteen percent of the popular vote the best showing by a third party candidate since Teddy Roosevelt in one, thousand, nine, twelve. Many in the Bush camp would go on to blame. Perot. For Bush's loss but according to the ALMANAC of American Politics Nine, hundred, ninety, four exit polls show that the second choice candidates Perot voters were split evenly between Bush and Clinton. The ALMANAC therefore concludes that had Mister Perot in the race Mr Clinton still would have won. The bigger concern among some of the GOP was that Bill Clinton won the state of California a Republican stronghold since the fifties Clinton also dominated among voters eighteen to twenty four and one sizably among single parents who made up a rapidly growing section of the population. Both parties new electoral map was changing and they knew they would need to adapt before the next election. Without a strong mandate Bill Clinton's first term as president would get off to a rocky start and for Clinton things would take a turn for the worse when Republicans gained control of both the house, and in the nineteen ninety-four midterms by Nineteen ninety-five many in the media would write Bill Clinton off as a one term president. But to stay on top in the nineteen ninety-six contest, the Comeback Kid would lean on a booming economy shifting demographics and his good old fashioned southern short. Next on American elections wicked game election of nineteen. 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Kavanaugh Plays Offense

CNN's The Daily DC

17:12 min | 2 years ago

Kavanaugh Plays Offense

"They take one last ride around the world, the EMMY award winning Anthony, bourdain parts, unknown the final episodes chairs, Sundays at nine on CNN. Everyone. I'm David challen the CNN political director, and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast. Bread Kavanagh goes on offense. It was an unprecedented move for supreme court nominee to give a television interview, albeit obviously to of friendly outlet at Fox News. In the midst of a confirmation battle to the supreme court, the great playbook, if you will of supreme court nomination process. He he's is one that has been employed by both democratic and Republican White houses administration's. You attach some big name, Washington pro that you call the sherpa to the nominee. The nominee is rolled out by the president. The next day is heading to Capitol Hill to meet with Senate leadership and key senators on the judiciary committee. You make sure that you have some positive validates out there immediately on television ads supporting the nomination. You have the outside interest groups completely engaged in the battle. Knowing that the opponent, in this case, the Democrats. But in the Obama administration, the Republicans knowing that the other side is coming full force in an engaged battle over this nomination, and you don't let the nominee speak except for two times one at the rollout where the president has introduces them to the American public and they say appreciative words of the vote of confidence that the president hasn't them. And then at their confirmation hearings their introductory remarks and their answers to all of the senators questions and the judiciary committee that's about the only time America hears from a supreme court. Nominee. Occasionally there's a Hello or something in. The photo ops in all those courtesy calls on Capitol Hill. But that's it. Not the case with the cavenaugh nomination. And so you have to begin to ask first and foremost, why? Why did Brent Cavanaugh and the whole White House team in operation supporting his candidacy. Decide that they should sit down for an interview with Fox News and do a national television interview seated next to his wife in the face of these charges of sexual harassment, sexual assault. And the answer is because the confirmation is in serious jeopardy. You would not take this move if this confirmation had not taken a body blow, which it has over the last eight days. And so it was a dramatic move to try to pivot from defense to offense and get your story out there as cavenaugh says to clear his name. He repeated multiple times throughout the interview, a need for a fair process, which was a clear indication that he didn't think the current process of allegations just hanging out there without a hearing taking place where he can in his own voice, push back on these accusations. He thinks what's playing out now it seems is not fair. And so part of why he wanted to sit down with Fox News was to start getting his voice into the mix. And I think actually it paid off for him in this sense, the coverage around Cavanaugh, the news coverage permeating all corners of the country and anybody that catches a glimpse of the news has been the accusations. The allegations Dr. Z. Ford's allegations then followed up by Deborah Ramirez, who went to Yale with Brad Kavanagh in the allegations that are made in the New Yorker story that came out over the weekend. There is Michael avenue stormy Daniels attorney who's looking to get into the mix here by saying he represents a client who has a story to tell about Kavanagh's passed. So all you got the allegations. Now, Brett Cavanaugh issued a written statement that categorically denied every single one of the accusations. But of course, that's not the same as sitting down and giving voice again, demonstrating your wife support for you, solid family man. That gives that image. It actually was a little bit. It evoked the image of of Bill and Hillary Clinton in nineteen Ninety-two on that famous sixty minutes episode about Jennifer flowers. But. Kevin did change the conversation a bit. The first thing in all the newscasts this morning was cavenaugh speaks out. It wasn't a rehash of Christine. Blasi Ford's allegations or debit Ramirez is allegations as much as it was cavenaugh in his own voice. Denying those allegations, denying anything that they are accusing took place and trying to get a foothold into the news narrative about the confirmation battle. And here's why I think that was really important and and quite risky, but really important in why think it may have worked for him. I think right now we are in this game, this confirmation battle. It is a game of inches. It is so fluid. It is so uncertain whether or not he will be confirmed as premium court Justice as at this moment on Tuesday afternoon, as I record this that just trying to get. Through the next half news cycle or the next day to live another day is a really important thing for cavenaugh in the White House. If they are to succeed, I don't think there is much long ball that can be played right now. They have got to just keep moving the ball down the field inch by inch in hopes that they can cross the finish line. And that's why I think that just sitting down and doing the interview itself, which no doubt will now be the basis of even more questions if there is indeed this big high-profile hearing on Thursday before the judiciary committee. Lots of answers that he gave in that interview are going to be probed by the Democrats for holes and lots of avenues for new questions about his past, his behavior in high school in college, his, you know, drinking his partying, whatever it is that is, you know, he's on the record. Now speaking about this in just opens up. All these avenues for the senators to explore that being said it. It seems to me that it was a risk worth taking because he lived to fight another day. He got into the news narrative in a way that wasn't just a silent denier of allegations standing awaiting his hearing, but but really trying to give voice to his version of events, which is that these events as described did not take place. I say that living if I'd another day is really important for capital because I think that is how delicately in the balance his confirmation remains right now. You can see how committed Mitch McConnell is to getting this done. You can see Chuck Schumer and the Democrats fully engaged in a battle to try and tear him down and to really go after the Republicans. On the process as are the Republicans going after the Democrats? Sarah Sanders this morning on good Morning America could not have been more clear. About her. I r- for the way Diane Feinstein handled the Christine Blasi Ford allegations. So. You have both sides really trying to tear each other down. You have Lindsey, Graham complaining of character assassination. Which is exactly what is going on here in terms of Brett Kavanagh's character is on the line. It is being attacked. It has all come down to Brett Kavanagh's character. And now you have President Trump weighing in after seeing his supreme court. Nominee give that interview to Fox News. He was up in New York this morning at the United Nations and listen to what President Trump described as the situation going on with Brett Cavanaugh. I saw. I saw some. I think he's just a wonderful human being. I mean, I think it's horrible what the Democrats have done. It's a con game plan. They're they're really con artists. They're trying to convince, you know, they don't. They don't believe it themselves because they know he's a high quality person. They don't believe it's just resist and obstruct. The second accuser be allowed to testify on Thursday. Would you welcome back? Look at the second. The second user has nothing. The second use of doesn't even know. She thinks maybe maybe not. She admits that she was drunk. She admits time lapses refine lapses. This is a person, and this is a series of statements. It's give and take one of the most talented, one of the greatest intellects from judicial step on our country going to keep him off the United States Supreme. Could you. United said something this morning. He has a chance to be one of the greatest justices ever. In the United States Supreme court. What does she at what a shame it is for so many other people whose world that is, that's not his world and their world. These legitimate people, then not in the world of Khan and the world of obstruction and the world of resist. You never thought this was even a possibility. He's startled. He can't believe this is happening. His wife is devastated. His children are deficit. I don't mean they're like, oh, gee, on the little unhappy been devastated. And it's because these Democrats and they know they know when I see Schumer who never even saw this woman, I believe her one hundred percent and I see these other senators that I deal with on a daily basis. I know them better than they know themselves. It's just a game to them, but it's a very dangerous game for our country. Thank you. He calls it a very dangerous game for our country. He says he has the chance to be one of the greatest justices ever in the United States court. Not he is certain to be. He has the chance. I think as President Trump was expressing what a shame this is as he was bemoaning. The process as he was tacking Schumer for believing one hundred percent what an accuser says and suggesting that's not the right way to do this either. I think you here in President Trump's voice here, somebody who also understands the nomination. The confirmation of breath Cavanaugh is not a certainty. I know Mitch McConnell said he was going to steamroll right through this and keep their heads down. He very well may get cavenaugh confirmed. But it is as much in doubt as anything could be when it comes through supreme court confirmation process. These things are usually a fate accompli. This one is not at, I think you heard the president's recognition of that in his remarks this morning. Again on FOX last night. Cavanaugh was looking constantly saying for a fair process where he could defend his integrity and clear his name, and he asserted time. And again, complete and total denial quote. I have never sexually assaulted anyone not in high school, not ever. So the big concern if you're a cabinet also Puerto right now is that something else comes out. If there is another accusation. I'm not even sure the Thursday hearing would take place. I think it would create an impossible situation for capital where we are right now in suspended animation for the next forty eight hours awaiting this hearing, if no new accusation takes place, then we're going to introduce for the first time in her own voice, Christine Blasi Ford's account. And we'll see if Debra Ramirez is added to the witness list. Republicans are reluctant to do so, but Sarah Huckabee. Sanders, I should say Republicans on Capitol Hill, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary indicated this morning that the White House would be open to that. That these women should be heard. And yet you heard the president again, really question the Ramirez account. She was so inebriated she's not even sure about this. Really. It is not quite what Kellyanne Conway was saying last week when you know these women need to be heard period, full stop at the White House, started their their message campaign. The day after Blasi Ford's account in the Washington Post became public. Now, we're a week after that and the White House is in a different very different place. Kellyanne, Conway is talking about a vast left wing conspiracy. Donald Trump. The president is complaining about this woman. Deborah Ramirez in the New Yorker who makes these accusations that she may be too inebriated to remember anything. That's very different from these women. These women deserve to be heard. So they're in a different place in terms of the message as a relates to the accusers and Cavanaugh is in a different place than any other nominee in modern history by giving this interview and realizing that. It may have been his only chance to keep this battle for confirmation going because the attacks were becoming such a weight. On his nomination. We're in uncharted territory here. Folks again, watch very carefully, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Jeff flake, three key Republican senators. And note Lisa Murkowski's comments today to CNN's Manu Raju. In support of an FBI investigation, and wouldn't that clear up the knowable facts here. This issue of an investigation, a neutral investigation outside the judiciary committee from professional investigators like the FBI to assess what facts can actually be known before going into this hearing on Thursday or before senators have to vote. That is going to be a process argument. You're going to hear every democrat make and it's an, it's a question that when posed to Cavanaugh he kind of punted on the FOX interview, he doesn't answer why he's not joining the calls for an FBI investigation as well. If none of this took place and that that could be proved in an investigation, and his name could be cleared in a neutral investigation. So expect that to be a process argument. We hear a ton about over the next two days. But I think you heard a president who was keenly aware of how endangered his nominee is as they just try to move through each day until they can get to a vote if they can get to vote that does it for this of the daily DC. Thank you so much for listening. Hope you'll tune in again right here tomorrow. So many people around the world depend on CNN's quality reporting, and now they have an incredible online store with clothes gear and gadgets. Right now you can get fifteen percent off your purchase, just visit store dot, CNN dot com. And when you're checking out into the code CNN podcast, just one word and get a fifteen percent discount. It's that simple that store dot CNN dot com.

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Steve Kornacki: "The magic ingredient was frustrating Gingrich"

1947: The Meet the Press Podcast

24:06 min | 2 years ago

Steve Kornacki: "The magic ingredient was frustrating Gingrich"

"Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to meet the meet apprentice the press. Alexa. Two thousand the day when red and blue America as we know it was born. That's what my colleague. Steve Kornacki writes in his new book, the red and the blue. Why were the nineties the spark for political tribalism and between the Clintons Newt Gingrich and Ross Perot. How did we get to Donald? Steve, welcome day, sir. Forty. Seven. Thanks for having make the return visitor. First time I am listeners of the podcast. Is that very nice. Okay. My favorite first of all. Did you delve into the history of which party became the red party in which party became the blue party and the fight? I say this because you know, there's always was a fight until two thousand about which party gets that'd be the blue. Yeah, at which party gets to be the reds and I've heard conflicting stories what brought that about. And of course it wasn't always even just blue and red. There were nights way in the past when yellow was go back to the nineteen seventy two when they tried to do a map back, then I've heard different people take credit for it. The earliest reference I could find on air to that term being used indirect reference to the parties. We have the red states here. The blue states here was Tim russert in ninety nine the today show about a week before the two thousand election. It's funny. John racy executive producer of meet the press, says he, he vividly remembers David Brinkley on election night. Nine nineteen eighty going. And our map looks like a suburban swimming pool. It's blue from coast to coast. There was a Reagan landslide, right, right. It every network had a different. And so that was a time NBC. The Republicans were the blue states in India. Briefly in eighty four told viewers that tonight Republicans will be read. We decided that because red and Reagan start with the same letter. That was all meant. I remember I used to obsess over this at the hotline in nine hundred ninety two and ninety four those cycles you'd get an and I'd sit there. It was confusing because you'd have the RG in the DJ the governors association's they'd offer you their their maps of their target races and they both put the opponents in rent. You know, because it was also remnants. Nobody wanted to be the reds, you know, sort of a Cold War leftover, you know, you're you're, you're enough of a junkie. You know this, probably a lot of your listeners do to. There's a great a site out there of just historical presidential election data called US election, and it is actually if you wanna see how recent the red state blue state phenomenon is. This has been online. I think for about twenty years, it predates the two thousand election is either one that stubborn about it. So he still use Lou for Dave leave on Dave Lee yet leave the IP. I've never actually pronounced ally, but I read it all the time and. He sticks with blue for the Republicans read for the Democrats because that's how he started it before everybody else decided it was something else. You know, I've tried to swim upstream before for a long period of time. I've done it in polling. I've given up sooner or later your, you're gonna make sure. All right. So why did you decide the ninety s? I get two thousand red and the blue. Why do you think it's the nineties, where this began? What your case? My argument is the turmoil in the nineties created the divisions that you saw on that map in two thousand we we've always had divisions in this country. We've always had turmoil in this country. We've always had people you can think back to the Vietnam era. You can think back a lot farther than that. But the specific thing that really took shape in the nineteen ninety s was that all of that sync up with party in party came to mean something much more significant, something much deeper. I, it came to almost become a substitute for identity for people had cultural meaning demographic, meaning geographic meaning in those lines, those divisions, those divides. I. Think were forged in large part or in a great deal. I should say through the eventually in one thousand nine hundred. They essentially forced the country to take sides and choose which party which tribe and they were a part of in the map, showed in two thousand in the framework more or less is kinda stuck sent to me. There's definitely there's no doubt, you know, inflection point, Andy, four, it's there. It's all there right. Have you considered this sort of weird counter. Factual, which is the political parties entities have never been weaker. The people's identities with the two parties has never been stronger. Right. How did that that has been a part of assets to totally wrap my head around, but to me, that's what tribal is miss. And that's where we, you know, the words used to be gridlock in partisanship, and that's where it I think starts getting into tribalism and the stat that stands out to me as it was in twenty sixteen. They had that poll of Democrats and Republicans, would you be upset if your son or daughter married somebody from the other party and it was more than sixty percent in both parties. Those numbers you used to get for interracial marriage because their numbers he used to get for one religion marrying another religion. That's how deep the meaning is of Republican. I'm a democrat, I'm red, I'm blue. I'm a red state person. I'm a blue state person, and that's a lot more than a set of position papers or whatever. How much. I've been trying to figure out the chicken and egg in here a little bit because there's been, you know, we talk about the great sorting and the self sort, and some of this, the red and the blue is part of the self sort, but which came first, the self sort or. Our ability to take data and sort everybody into certain groups in. So suddenly this was always there. We just are now seeing because we have the data when we matched up with what I'm describing here is in this book is the period where this gets matched up with party. You know, I I don't think it was always there because if you go back to, you know, I try to tell two parallel stories here. It's it's the rise of Clinton on on the one side and the rise of Gingrich and the other than the collision that kind of animates the nineties while the rise of Gingrich the Republican party. When he came to Washington at his third, try to congress in nineteen Seventy-eight. Republicans were winning the south in presidential elections by massive Mark, right, right. Know I mean Goldwater in sixty four was able to get eighty seven percent in Mississippi, but try getting a Republican elected dogcatcher in Mississippi. At the same time, it was ailing Garber ran in eighty four and lost by thirty, right? It was. So it was still you had this. You had these in the National Party's reflected this. This is this is what you would have conservative southerners in the Democratic Party. Sharing it with, you know, Charlie Rangel in Barney Frank from the north in on the Republican side, you'd have, you know, liberals, authentic liberals, Jacob Javits from New York, Clifford case Ed, Brooke Massachusetts, sharing a party with old Bob Taft Republicans from the mid west. You know, very, very conservative in isolation, est, and a lot of ways Republicans when it came to foreign policy. So each party had that just that the term Republicans always like to use the big ten. I mean, these parties were both massive were in the Gingrich theory of it when he got to the house was, hey, look, Nixon, just one forty, nine states in nineteen seventy two against George McGovern. If we can make Democrats at every level of the ballot, George McGovern and we can be law and order Richard Nixon on the other side of it, we can win everywhere in the ballot, his his, his organization. I've talked to candidates there are people in congress today. Republicans who tell me the first time they started to when they first sparked an interest and thinking about running for office was because they, they. They, they bought Newt Gingrich's go pack, tastes these cassette bainer. Yes, I've heard the beat on. Yeah, in the nineteen eighties and it was they were basically candidate training. I guess it was. It was how to speak as Republic. Yes. Yeah, I am a Republican, I believe in limited government. I believe in small government. My opponent believes in welfare state. My opponent does not believe in individual responsibility and pet picture. These these guys driving around there isn't much in the way of talk radio the way we have it. Now, there's no cable news to go home to gate Gingrich you audiotape in your car, you drive around into here this there would be these, you know, they were just advertisements in national review, full page ads. I sort of his the way he got his name out was in. This is a, I can draw a line from Gingrich do in this Trump using Twitter. He had to find a way around the dominant media, which at the time was the big three networks. What Gingrich found was just thrown a camera into the house of representatives on c. span and they had the obscure, you know, house rule a special orders at the end of the business day. Any house member can claim the time for any as long as they. For any reason they want and it was always, yeah, go ahead. Talk to an empty house. What do we care? Gingrich news, not empty house, right? There's this thing called cable TV. Millions of people are getting every year. I'm going to start speaking. They're gonna find me. I'm going to have an audience that was a big part of his rice. Now match. Think about the demographic of the first cable TV subscribers. There were two demographics. One was obviously the wealthy, let the other was rural America who couldn't get the television. So TV was their lifeline, right? And suddenly they became the first cease John and what happened to is Gingrich's colleagues. We Gingrich came to the house again in seventy eight. So he gets there. Republicans have not just been in the minority since nineteen fifty four. I mean they're not even close right there. Eighty ninety seats away. It's still in east amazing thing that happened in my lifetime when it happened in ninety four for a lot of fell. At the end of the Democratic Party, you're like, oh my God, I losing the house you. We had stopped even contemplating it as something you just said, oh, well, look, Republicans might get one hundred house meme, two hundred members, right? It was always the Senate. And it was the Senate, the permanent, Democratic Congress. Well, don't forget that was also a time when we thought the Democrats could never wait. Right? There was a Republican electoral lock, right? That was what Bill Clinton picked in the permanent, Democratic Congress. That was what Gingrich toppled just as an aside. My father was the was that Republican voter in that his deceased now in that he used to say, well, the Democrats should come up with the ideas, but you need a Republican managing. And that was always that was his rationale with, okay, that's why there's a Democratic Congress, but you always have to have Republicans to keep them from overspending and doing stupid things that was his the way he and he was this is south Florida. So there was only the Democratic Party locally. There wasn't really a lot of Republican at the time. This is the seventies before the rise of the Cuban, and there had been a whole mindset of that. Almost Motors got conditioned to think that these conservative voters did it. It also, it's amazing when you when you start reconstructing forty years of democratic control of congress. At what point did it come to seem permanent? At what point did Republican leaders are treating it as permanent, the magic ingredient with frustrating, Gingrich others here because again, think about it. He gets in there and seventy eight. Reagan carries forty four states in. One thousand nine hundred. He has some house coattails, you know. But then at eighty two, they take a bath Eighty-four. Reagan gets reelected with forty. Nine states still can't get the house. They Bush eighty eight wins forty states still. No magic ingredient was getting a democratic president right with a massive democratic majority in the house in a massive, democratic majority in the Senate and then trying to move on a liberal agenda and that was the backlash. And then it was that trying to move on it against a Republican party that had been transformed by Newt Gingrich a party that wasn't going to compromise and we're going to try to come up with contrast on every one of those moves. Democrats made you fast forwarded through one part here and that is you know, everybody always loves to go back. Okay. It started with, you know, it started here with Clinton. No, started here with Gingrich and then you you start going? Well, there's fork right then there's the bloody eight we're at when was the point where the Democrats started acting as if they had a permanent house majority. Yes, the bloody eight. Yes, you know, the store you want to tell us is in the book. No matter what am I favor stories in the nineteen Eighty-four? This is the Ronald Reagan is winning. The press is when it's getting reelected president with sixty percent of the vote nationally forty nine states, Indiana, he wins, I think is margin needed something like thirty points over Walter Mondale the eighth district at that point in Indian at which stretches from the college town of Bloomington, all the way down to the southern border of the state. Marketing. Yeah, you're basically getting you're basically down by Kentucky and you've got this is a race that has flipped part. They call it the bloody eighth because for every election since nineteen sixty six. Basically the incumbent has lost its. He got an income, a democrat who got elected in eighty two is a bad year for the for the Republicans in eighty two running for reelection in eighty four and you and it becomes the closest house election in the country on election night and their initially the Republicans declared the winner. Then it's the counter going back and forth in the house. Eventually the house judges its own elections, how many months later? Yeah, we're like, don't forget this drags on too may of eighty five, right? I forget this ended up dragging on longer. Even the Al Franken recount didn't go and they sent out. They ended up commissioning. This three-member a task force that tip O'Neill, the house speaker points leeann Panetta from California leads at the Democrats. It's two to one two Democrats, one Republican, the Republicans Bill Thomas from California and Bill. Thomas is saying, what am I doing here? I'm gonna lose every vote to two one in. In this task force, they have a cold public hearings in Evansville, Indiana. The rooms are packed. They end up counting the ballots themselves deciding we're going to count the, it's like Florida in two thousand it. So basically it builds and it builds to the Democrats deciding the democrat won the election. The Democrats are going to vote so made eighty five, the democrat, I, they come to have the final vote to accept the recommendation that the democrat will be declared the winner in the in the eighth district to the Indiana, the Republicans protest, you know, in Gingrich has been egging them on that. This is this is a moment we've got to stay in the big divide in the Republican side has been Gingrich that style versus Bob, Michael? Yep. Republican leader, they call mister nice guy. He's golfing buddies with tip. O'Neill in Gingrich has been saying, you got to fight because these guys walk all over us. And when the Democrats vote to seek their member Gingrich and the Republicans get up to leave and Michael gets up with them in tip O'Neill, the speakers presiding over the chamber, and he calls out to Bob, Michael in the asked, will the gentleman stay to welcome the new member Bob, Michael tells them, no, and they. All walk out the entire Republican side in that was one of those transformative moments were Gingrich one over the became the defacto leader. Yep. Then after that it's targeting Jim Wright and then goes right into right, right. And we and sort of this new era where everybody is trying to kill the others leader. Yup. Is born and Gingrich. This is the other. Not kill each other's leaders before that Jim Wright, he's the first speaker to go down on ethics charges. Gingrich gets them on book royalties, and it's it's like a pamphlet that is, you know, this donors down in Texas, but there were two key ingredients there that I think it a little forgotten in number one, we think of Gingrich's. It's just it's conservative. He's pulling them to the right all of this. The key to Gingrich's rise ended up being moderate Republicans in the house who felt that they were being trampled by the Democrats. They felt that way because of what you're talking about Neo nineteen Eighty-four with eighth district. They felt when Jim Wright a big moment to is Jim Wright taking over from tip O'Neill in January eighty-seven. 'cause tip O'Neill democrat liked him. Even if they thought he was being a little too radical or something. He was a nice guy like he told good stories. You know, they give a tribute dinner room on his way out. Bob, Michael gets up and says, I love this man. Any felt it. And then Jim right comes in and he's more reserved, he is more tactical. He's more strategic. He has this vision of the speakership that it's going into the house is going to take back power from Reagan from the presidency from the executive. Branch. And so when Gingrich starts going after Jim right over this and starts calling, you know, Jim Wright is corrupt, Jim, right? Is crooked. Jim right? Doesn't have an honest bone in his body. If he'd been saying that about tip O'Neill, Michael and Republicans wouldn't have gone there because Jim, right, it kind of felt good to them and they didn't join him at first, but they didn't Raynham in and it built in that building a built in by the end of it. Even some ethics watchdogs are on Gingrich's side and then in may eighty nine, it collapses. And Jim Wright has to go to the floor of the house. And when he goes to the Florida house may eighty nine to resign. The whole place is packed the speeches something to go back and wash right now. He says, he frames his resignation as he says, I am falling on the sword for the good of this institution. Consider this a sacrifice to protect this institution from what has infected infected. He's talking about new Kimber and I don't wanna get. Didn't want to move into the ninety. S we. As we could go down. Oh, by the way in between this Bork? Yeah, to the board. Yet, which is another important. I, I've said, there's these political scars. You know, you know, you go to coastal cities that are susceptible to hurricanes and you. You'll see they label where the wa- high watermark czar and you see the different. We almost have these little scars here in Washington Bork is a Marquette, the bloody eight is a Mark. Jim writes a Mark, you know, in everything is new territory until it's a detriment by the next one. Yeah. Let's fast forward to two Ross Perot because Perot's rise seem to come from the fact that the most, the weirdest thing to me about the nineties when you actually think about the split between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the divide is actually not on economics. And Perot was able to rise because Bill Clinton decided to adopt the Republican theory of the case on on essentially the American economy like low interest rates, free trade. He sort of started at Dopp ding, the Bush economy, whether he'd never said it, but that's what he did, which gave us Ross Perot in Ross Perot was, I mean, look, it's the first populist billionaire. You can see in the core of Ross Perot's appeal a lot of what was to come with Donald Trump, but it was the Perot coalition back then was funky because it was drawn equally from both parties and it was this idea. Remember there'd been a bunch of scandals in Washington in the early nineteen nineties have been the house banking scandal, and they were all bouncing hundreds of checks. They weren't having to pay any kind of overdraft, theon it. So you know there was that there was the Keating five scandal. There was this, of course, the economy the fact that there was the early nineties recession just played into this notion that Washington was just totally and completely broken, and that Bush was feckless and remember Clinton the. Ninety. Two campaign Perot first emerges Clinton was seen is totally unelectable. He had just survived somehow the Jennifer flowers scandal, the Vietnam draft, Willie Brown, who at the time was the go. The Lee democrat in California, the unofficial leader, the California Democratic party as late as may was advocating. The Democrats nominate Perot's pro. That's in the book to the Democrats believed or is there some way at the convention we still get Mario Cuomo to run, right? It's still talking about that in this. My favorite, my favorite. My favorite souvenir from the ninety. Two democratic convention was a t shirt. It's got was a Cuomo ninety Ninety-two conviction of the heart. They were passing them around. I the Sunday before the convention they were everywhere and then Perot drops out. Clinton Clinton searches. Cleveland never never trailed in a poll past when Perot dropped out, which was the same day that Bill Clinton accepted nomination. July nineteen Ninety-two in Perot had been starting to the numbers, have been starting to go down. There had been an element of it where democratic voters who just Clinton was dishonest. Sleazy on electable had gone to Perot. He was starting to win them back Clinton zooms twenty points ahead in the polls. After that speech in ninety two in Madison Square Garden never trails a single poll the rest of the way. There's a lot more I want to get to, but we're, we're getting. We're getting getting law. How could we have prevented this? Have you? Did you find you feel like, is it you know would have been different? Had the Democrats accepted the Republican recount in the bloody forget, would it have been different if. Republic if Reagan had realized that Bork had gotten too politicized during the Nixon and was the wrong guy and never actually nominates that we don't have that. Is it different? If Gary Hart is president of the United States in nineteen eighty eight and we don't have Bill Clinton. I you know, what is have you? Do you feel like you there is one moment or is it just a series of moments? Yeah, I think it's a lot of it. I feel been delayed. I think there's an inevitability to a lot of it. I headed this way. You think. I mean, look, new Gingrich got elected to the house on his third try right if he loses he's a perennial candidate in west Georgia and nobody ever hears of him. And I think eventually Gingrich comes along. I don't know necessarily who it would have been. It was this guy was one of the interesting thing when Jack Kemp had been the star of the House Republicans in the eighties. Yeah, I'll get you another one. How about this in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. George H W Bush gets elected president pixes his Defense, Secretary. John tower. Yeah, John tower, democrat shades of cavenaugh. Yes, drinking and carousing womanizing the nomination. Goes down Sam Nunn leads, Democrats, they killed animation. Nobody expected. This was going to happen towers down Bush's scrambling for a replacement. Got to get it done quickly who's confirmable Dick Cheney Dick Cheney if he doesn't get picked for Defense, Secretary stays in the house. Dick Cheney succeeds by Michael Newt Gingrich I don't think becomes speaker of the house. I'll tell you, I've always wanted to do an entire documentary on crazy butterfly affects my. My favorite goes in one thousand nine hundred eight. There's the, the scandal ridden Republican, secretary of state of Florida. Senator Martha is a dead. Duck Democrats are leading, Republicans are panicked, and they decided we've got to find somebody to primary her, oh, the granddaughter of one of the great donors of the Republican party. Let's try Katherine Harris, Ben hill Griffin, her zoo. Grandfather's name is on the stadium. And so imagine if Katherine Harris doesn't run, they knocked the incumbent off its democratic secretary of state this Florida ever get certified and then and then we don't have Bush, forget it. There's so many of these stories. So I think it could have been delayed, you know, the big one I I have in the book here we focus on quite a bit is Mario Cuomo gets on the plane in one thousand nine hundred and you get a democratic president who wouldn't have had. I don't think the sexual scandals that came with Bill Clinton. Yeah, guess what would have come in Mario Cuomo though? Albany. Well, and that was and you know Albany had that Little Rock Albany in some ways. Small state capitals, yeah, political machines. They're entertained, sadly, they're interchangeable, whether they're Republicans or Democrats. The untested thing is if Cuomo gets on that plane and gets in the race, three weeks later, the Jennifer flowers scandal hits and remember part of that scandal was the tapes and on the tapes. Bill Clinton is mocking Cuomo mafioso like a mob. If Cuomo was a candidate in that Cuomo destroys them with that. And now Clinton survived for the same reason. Frump survived. Nobody likes the alternates. This is the this is I know we're short on time and I'll just quickly and on this one, then maybe the great myth I think are the great misunderstood thing about Bill Clinton's rise in ninety. Two. It is true. He ran to the middle to beat Bush. That's absolutely true, but he got to run the left in the democratic primaries because impulsive August, I wanted to be the best friend Wall Street ever had was his opponent. And so Clinton rally, the left and then move the party of the middle in the fall hammered Songas for social security. So just yet Florida, that was it, Florida, and it was retirement homes. You know, you know, Steve, we could keep doing this. This is we all right. I'm gonna promise listeners this. You and I are just going to do the races on a podcast before election day, at least once if not twice. That'd be great before it happens because there's only so much we get to San TV. Yes. The thing on the book tour the podcast or the four minute segments. Congratulations. Thank you, joy. The book tour people. I can't tell you. People ask me about you all the time when I'm out in about in this country. Enjoy the reception. My friend. Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. You've been listening to nineteen forty seven, the meet the press podcast. If you enjoyed the show and you're obviously you did. You're still here. So subscribing downloaded more free episodes on apple tune in or Spotify wherever you get your podcast, we love to hear any feedback, so send it to us even the bad stuff. 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(Episode 152) Legendary Talk Show Host: Richard Bey.

Monday Morning Critic Podcast

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(Episode 152) Legendary Talk Show Host: Richard Bey.

"This is Catherine Parker from the hunting of Hill House. You're listening to Derrick Thomas and the Monday morning critic podcast welcome to episode one fifty two of the Monday morning in critic. Today's episode is really special. I really love today's guests. Today's guest is one of the absolute legends when it came to daytime TV. Talk shows absolutely one of the innovators evader behind them. He was certainly a precursor to a lot of the reality television you see on TV today. He was great. He was original. He was genuine. He wasn't trashy trashing like Jerry Springer but had a great way about them. They're really made you laugh and sincerity and authenticity that you really don't see today in television and he doesn't get enough credit for what he did for the daytime TV genre. I want to say that if you're on social media you can contact me at m. D. M. Critic on twitter on Instagram to Graham. It's Monday morning critic my facebook page Monday morning critic and my website which is m. c. PODCAST Dot Com M. C. podcasts dot com so if you're looking to get some episodes that date back to three years. That's the place to go. I think I've got got a lot of great guests and we're doing this thing the right way. We're not paying for guests. We're getting guests that need a lot to me. Yesterday grew up watching guests that I I have on my show because I I love their work. I love what they do too many podcast today buying their work buying the results buying the reviews buying the guest. Everything is just such a a Potpourri of trash with nothing. That's passionate behind it. It's just robotic and just it's really hard on the years. It's tough to listen to and it's every every there's nothing that's really tangible real about it and that's that's unfortunate but you know you kinda hope people realize what's real and genuine in the end and I think people are starting to so I really work hard getting guests that it's not just guessed that I love. I think it's guest that I think people would appreciate and I think episode one. Fifty two with Richard Bay did exactly that that feel free to hit me up on social media. I hope you enjoy the interview. A lot great Lada great guests coming up a lot of guests booked from from now until I wanNA say April deep pins April twenty twenty without further ado. I bring to you Richard Richard. Thanks for coming on the show today well. It's my pleasure to be here and thank thank you for the invitation so Richard. Your New York guy and I have to say because my girlfriend is Jewish and and I know that growing up your dad was Jewish Mama's Irish Irish Catholic What kind of dynamic was that growing up for you. Is it difficult because I know religion does play a huge factor and families and so forth and it wasn't in difficult. It was to some degree. It was a good thing you grew up with the kind of schizophrenia half the family telling Ling me that I was going to burn for eternity in hell and the other half of the family telling me that I was part of God's chosen people and when my mother they're married my father and interracial marriage like this was a pretty big deal and her family really opposed they sent the priest to my mother to tell her that there was a boy in the parish who was willing to marry her and he was Catholic and that she should marry him instead even though she didn't know him but he shouldn't marry this Jewish corporal one while and did your did your parents. They see how successful you've become in life where the around for that long to see how oh yeah they were around to see the ascent. Fortunately they weren't around to see the decline Oh. I don't think there's no there's no decline. You're doing other things. We're GONNA get to that yet. You're evolving like everyone else. I can say. I never knew yield drama school. Talk about talk about that part of your life Richard Well. I went to Yeah I was acting before war. I went to Yale drama school professionally but I started to realize it didn't know what the Hell I was doing. I was inequity. I was in Sag and I said if I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. Better you know learn some technique so I applied to juilliard. I applied to Yale. I got into Yale. I was in a class class with a bunch of talented people. It's a three year program so you're there for three years and while I was there I mean Meryl Streep was they. They are sigourney weaver was there Tony Shalhoub Mark Linn Baker and a bunch of other people who are just fabulously talented Allenton actors who you never heard of Wendy Wasserstein was a playwright. Ted Tally who wrote silence of the lambs was was a playwright right and it was just when I graduated I was hired by the Yale Repertory theatre to do a year of all different roles and wrap so that was a great send off as well so I was really there for four years right so let me ask you before or that you calcium barbara if I'm right correct. UC Santa Barbara I went to Berkeley as well and I went to Stanford for semester. I didn't like the program I dropped out but UCSB I was what was most of my undergraduate now. Would you're one of these people because I interviewed many actors. Would you consider I mean I'm going to be jumping all over the place but but I know right now you're working on a play. So would you consider yourself as one of those people that there's a love for theatre. Oh Yeah are you kidding. When I left the theater I mean they. If if I can digress a little bit I was I was twenty nine years old living in. La In hit play at the Matrix theatre which is on melrose and we were sold out constantly and I was there for six months and come to La Hoping that I'd put my you know my my my a little bet on the roulette wheel and get a series and and be able to make a living because before that I'd been on Broadway off Broadway regional theatre touring companies but you know you making any money. There's no sense of permanence. You're out of a job in the theater as soon as the runners over so gun. La and when I arrived in L. A. Friend of mine called Djimla Pine who is pretty famous director and writer now called me up and asked me if I wanted to be his play and I did and at the end of six months I was broke again so I had a girlfriend a lovely woman who was an actress and she was going back to New York and she had an audition for CBS WCBS the local station. You're in L. A. Right. I'm in Massachusetts. Oh you're in Massachusetts okay so when the CBS affiliates had a show called on the town where two people would go off a man and woman would go off and do all the fantasy things that you'd like to do in that flakes and she had an audition for that she said why don't you come in addition with me and and I said I who's going to hire me. I said I'm an actor. I'm not a journalist. I have no background. I one suit to my name which I wore when I went to audition addition with her and I went for the call backs. I got it she didn't that was the end of the relationship and I thought oh well. I'll do this show until it runs out in a year and then I'll go back to the theater and then somebody offered me another job and then somebody Maury Povich was being fired from a show in Philly and and they brought me and then I spent four years in Philly and then we went to New York and we did people are talking for three years and then it became the Richard Bay show and that's pretty much the star and I get the just from looking at your life Richard. You're one of these people. There's not many that it feels like you could do anything right. You could host you can act you can do radio. You could talk politics. There's I don't think there's anything that you can't do in this universe right. I can't dance. I had don't ask me. I had three years of away when I was at Yale. Drama School and Graham Technique and I have dyslexia of the legs they just don't follow any kind of choreography. I wish I I would love to be able to dance. I can sing. I can play the piano no but I just can't you know you got to admit it when you can't do something right right and I gotta say for those of you. Listening people are talking. You know you had some pretty phenomenal guest you had spill over and Jimmy Carter you had seen Davis Junior Ross Perot Charlie Sheen. I mean this is no like under the radar show. Oh these are premier people here sure and I it was a live talk show in New York eventually it was two hours long. The first our was sort of like a regis and Kathy Lee. The second was like a a local donahue style show and if it was in the front page and all the celebrities were there live live on the set for an hour long interview which was you don't see that anymore. You know you'll see the Barbara Walters kind of interview. which is what ten minutes? This was an hour. People and there were many many more too. I mean there's so many I don't don't even know the name. there was sports figures there was Patricia Neal who was great Richard Harris Chuck Norris. I mean it was just a nominal community but also if it was in the tabloid on the tabloid front page that day I had fantastic producers and they would book if sharp Al Sharpton had some sort of racial scandal going on he was on the set. If there was something that one time they sent a producer out with them in a in a in a car to pick up squeegee men because there was a big controversy about the squeegee men who cleaned your windshield and he just drove at take a whole bunch of squeegee men brought them on so it was very topical very immediate and you know sometimes I I didn't even know who is going to be on until fifteen minutes before the show but the other thing that was great about it is it was live. My background was in theater. I'm you know so. I've had a lot of experience improvisation also in playing characters so when we got to the Richard Ratio you know I'd look at a show and I'd say okay. I'll I play detective Dick Bay or sergeant or Judge Bay in his court of no appeal. You know so you know it was very theatrical. He attributes it was like doing a new off. Broadway play every day and even though you down the talk show host avenue the new right away your background still plays a plays a huge role in that correct yeah yeah and that's what I'm saying yeah it did and I say a show like that still would work today right where you're just. We're one day squeegee men one day. You're you're talking to spew because I feel like today Richard and and I don't know I just I feel everything is lost in politics like the day of like watching Carson. Just Zany or Letterman Zany has kind of gone like I just feel like it's all politics no matter who the president is well. There's also I mean when you look at daytime talk. I mean ah more he does the same thing. I'm not the father. Oh we had the DNA. It's the same thing every day Jerry Springer's the same thing every day and Allen to me is is like you know Blah Regis and whoever is sitting there now yeah. I don't know the guy from the radio not religious. I mean Kelly whatever whoever's on that show right. It's it's just totally uninteresting. It's totally early on spontaneous. It's white bread. It's it's something that it's white noise in the background when when even when we did had this crazy silly Richard Bache oh I mean you couldn't take your eyes off for a second because he didn't know what was going to happen next. That's very true yes yes. Yes and you know what you're right. Those shows that you mentioned are very cookie cutter. No one's no one wants to take any chance just kind of right down the middle nothing interesting. It's it's very very bland. You are absolutely right but I gotta say Richard. You were stolen from a lots and you mentioned some of those people you had. Your pocket picked on more than Ah. Let me tell you that they listen. It's not like I'm George Harrison and I stole. What would song did he steals supposedly yeah knows somebody? Just Katy Perry just got taken. I always say I stole to you know I used to watch. There's a Spanish language show called Salvador Allende and it's a big party a two hour party with you know scantily clad beautiful wonderful women audience games burlesque sort of comedy and I used to watch that take ideas and the other thing is Howard stern opened the door for a lot of people some of the things that stern did certainly had an influence on us so yeah so. It's not like stealing thing. It's just a it's a hodge podge of American pop culture. I AH I can make the argument that Howard's current format. He borrowed some of that for you. I can you make that argument to well you. I know but I borrowed it from Donahue Right. I mean it's not like it was Picasso or even Mick Jagger and in somebody stealing from you right. It's just stuff you come up at the you know at the moment and at work and it's funny. Eh you're tangling. It's like a guy who's telling a joke at a cocktail party and he got it from somebody in the bar. Yes yeah you're right. That's a good point and let me ask you so the at the time when you were on Donahue Sally. HSE Geraldo Ricki Lake Rosie Maury who you mentioned a little bit later but did you did you emma admire. That's the wrong word. Were any of those shows that you watch them in and get get something from them or were they all kind of just a bit of a rip from not a rats the wrong right the the only one that that I respected and the only one that I guess I learned from watching was Phil Donahue right everybody else. This isn't a matter of talent. You know you take a guy or the woman I mean what was the talent and in doing those shows as you know. The producer rights out every question on a little card. I mean you know my show was. I didn't know what the hell was going to happen next. You Know L. grew up on that stage. You know and I think in that respect it was Sui generous. You know one of a kind kind of thing thing but the other people I mean I watch Sally Sally. would she'd make someone cry then she'd pass them the handkerchief and CEO wipe your tears dear you know and I listen. I I don't WANNA run out of people because they've got one hundred million dollars and and working in a little theater in Orlando so there you go well. There's nothing wrong with that and I'm certainly not asking you to do that and you've been so so. Let me just say in general. There's not much talent involved in doing those kinds of shows. I mean at one point I got fired. They replaced me with Matt. Lauer for the ratings went down the tubes. Now Matt is an intelligent guy. He's a great teleprompter reader a great dresser area as a good image on camera br but what's his talent. I don't know what his talent is. Now I mean he's not he's not an incisive interviewer or so somebody with an interesting mind. You know I mean when you look at British. some of the British talk shows Clive James or some they've got people on who are quick and witty and some of our nighttime comedians are talk. Show hosts are quick and witty. You know but the daytime you know. Oh what the hell is it. It's it's something you turn on while you're vacuuming well. I I disagree with you mostly. I agree with you but I disagree with you a little bit on this this point Richard. Have you did have talent because I remember always wanting to come back for more. I mean if you didn't have talent. That wouldn't have been the case No. I'm not saying that I I didn't have talent but I'm saying my show was such a mess that you had to have talent right. I totally agree. Okay yeah and I gotTa say you're. What are these guys when every time I watched you. You just look like a guy who loved what he was doing. You loved every minute of it. You're soaking in all in you. Ah for lack of a better word you are authentic and that's what I appreciate. Most about you know well. We once had well. I love people and to have an audience there. That is there on your side. You know they come on their people from all walks of life. I mean I think I I might I'm fair and saying this at my show was the first one that had an audience of people that looked like real people who came from the street when you look at the donahue show everybody got dressed up in the suits you know my show street kids and two people who had just gotten off the job who came in their work shirts. We had every kind of race nationality all mixed together. They're having a good time and and to get back to your point there the company the corporation that really owned the show show and the TV station they hired somebody to do research hopefully improve the show and do research research on me. I mean all the time that I was on television. They all oh cut your hair differently. Why don't you get rid of the cowboy boots. Wear a suit and a tie you you know people won't respect whatever they always otherwise. They have nothing to do so the people that are in the offices. They don't have talent. How did they ended up there they did they came up through the Peter Principle. You know to a certain level. you know of of authority so they hired this person to do research wjr and this is one of my this is something that I am proud of so we we we all had to go and sit and listen to the research person tell. LS What the what do you call those audiences. They're not target audiences. I forget test audiences yeah yeah they showed the show and then they'd right. Ask them questions. Somebody would be behind that you know a black window so she said the well when it came to Richard she said I've only seen this twice before in my life. You know we usually ask them. Who does who what is this person remind you of who does the hosts seemed like does he seem like this person or that person or you know somebody even outside of the entertainment industry street and she said they all said there's nobody like Richard She said the there's only two times in my life when I've done television research where they said that and she said the two people where they said that we're Johnny Carson Oprah Winfrey. Wow Wow so that's something to be proud lutely and that's when I introduced you said you were an innovator in and I meant I mean to a much lesser level right podcasting. It's one podcast is the same as it's like the same cookie cutter BS with every instance. What's the next thing what's something that's going to be interesting for people to listen to and I felt like at a larger level. That's what your show dead like. You were certainly an innovator in that regard yeah well yeah but do you know what what an innovator who left behind only the worst elements you know the crass elements and so the show could be crass but funny but that's what's left over so you're left with. Jerry Springer and Maury doing the same the DNA test everyday I evidently they're making enough money to keep them on the air but you know it's the same thing I mean. Jerry's a fight fight every day. We started off my show. We had people throw pies at each other and we had the wheel of torture where a guy with the cheating boyfriend would it'd be on the wheel and spun and his girlfriend could poor gook goop over him but we didn't want fight right rand. We there was a time time when we had a few and we all decided that if a fight breaks out we turned the cameras off right right we just turn them off and we start the segment again and once people know that they don't come to the show expecting to have a physical altercation and they don't right and I'm not trying to throw Jerry Springer under the bus but I would. I would like to call into question. y'All anticipate of those fights but that's a conversation for another day but that's you make a great point. Your show Joe is it's kind of a unique look at humanity right in a lot of different ways and that's that's kind of a fresh thing in the night right. It was something people haven't you see before yeah. It was something people hadn't seen before and that's and that was an element that I'd always wanted to do and everything that I did. What what what could what could I when I was on talk radio. I tried to bring in elements that you know that people haven't heard on radio my at one point my impression impression wants to make like A. I had a Saturday show as well as a weekday show but I wanted to make it like an urban prairie home companion a place where you you could come and you'd feel very comfortable like you'd be in a coffee shop and I'd have these characters I played on the radio. I Played Bay the barbarian Burien where I I do a takeoff on principally Michael savage right wing radio host. I'm telling you folks way after do something the commies but I had a whole funny bit that I did with that and then I had a segment called Dick and dad go to the movies my father we'd go to the movies almost every single day so and and and he was widowed at that time so I did a partially to keep him connected back into the world because he beginning to have Alzheimer's and people loved it right because my father would say things totally naive. He'd go you know. I didn't like the movie so I asked for my money back and the manager. He did this a bunch of times in the manager. You're the movie said okay. I'll give your money back but only if you leave the movie after twenty minutes and my father would say the movie you know they needed more lights on the set there it was so dark it was a movie. You can hardly see so yeah. Those were like his reviews. The theater KANTER was freezing. Why do they keep air conditioning why they keep it so cold. My father would visit me New York. We'd walk down the street and people would go Richard. Ah That's your dad. Oh my God I love him. That's great that's great and you talked a little bit about donohue before and you know letterman talks about his admiration ration- for Johnny Carson all there to all the time. Is there somebody that you have that same admiration for re. It doesn't have to be a host. It could be any level any any perfect. Is there somebody somebody that really. I don't want to say look up to but I don't know maybe a mentor. Somebody really look at it and like I really admire how that person approaches day to day you know you you know whatever barack and Michelle Obama Yeah. I look up to them. The can I say shit the the shit. He had to take and he responded with grace. He was articulate listen. They wasn't perfect. I mean there were times uh-huh. I you know when I was saying why would why don't you push this harder. Why don't you go after them. Why don't you you know but just a good person. A good president a good human being and Michelle in some respects even exceeds that with him actually you can't you don't have the video on right now drinking out of a Barack Obama cut. I know you don't WanNa talk politics. No that's okay absolutely yeah we did. I I looked at him and his wife his family the administration listen you. You can have scumbag. Democrats in scum but you know I thought Bill Clinton was a scumbag prince you know but it was almost like Barack. Obama was too good for America in my you know and who else do I really. I mean you know Merrill's marvelous person I you know I haven't really really kept up with her so I can't say that I you know I I I mean I had a dinner with her. Maybe two years ago but she's also person incredibly credibly grounded Gracious Humble Generous Yep and then there's my dad of course who passed away who it was a who always believed in me and left me a you know a bunch of those maxims that father tell their kids throw enough crap against the wall and some of it will stick and that's you mentioned politics. It's too bad Richard. We've come to a point in two thousand nineteen where you can't just have a beer with somebody or a coffee and just talk politics. You and I can't just humbly disagree. It's not you you and I it's. That's probably about exam but it's it's insulting. It's it's calling somebody a piece of Shit Ed. It's become so vile Richard Like I. I know that politics hasn't always been an easy topic. It's like religion. I get it but it's too bad that two people just can't talk politics laugh about it under agree to disagree and just have a couple of years you know well. You know the guy that did super size me. Oh what's his name Michael. I know yeah you could look it up well anyway. He did a documentary It didn't turn out the way that he he was trying to make burn lock. More Morgan's Birla documentary on the talk shows of the nineties and his thesis was that it led to Donald Trump trump that that we were all responsible for trump because we lowered the the civil discourse so you had to be coming on. I said I I don't blame me for trump. I don't agree with that. That's a stretch. That's an easy flow meeting New York. I did about a two hour interview. I and I ended up with like thirty seconds. You know on the documentary because I I guess I I wouldn't. I wouldn't buy his thesis but it Yeah I don't. I don't agree with that. I thought that is such a stretch. It makes I don't know I I. I don't agree with that at any degree. there is A. Guy WanNa ask you about who who I did watch a lot also more in Downey Junior. What are your what are your thoughts on more well. They there's a documentary. I'm Morton Downing and I'm. I'm in quite a bit of a about him. Morton started at Channel Nine. The same day I started on people are talking so I met him. You know my the very first day working there now new in the very beginning morton was a really sweet generous. The guy even somewhat humble but it all just went to his head. You know it's like and I can understand how that that can happen there. Were there were points in time. Where you know where I felt that I could have gone off the rails but I restrained range myself. I mean to be on television and people want to buy you dinner. They buy you drinks. Women WanNa sleep with you and and everybody wants to be your best friend and Morton just he just pushed the envelope personally not on as much as the show but in his personal life he partied way way way too much and he couldn't there was a point in time he was losing his voice and and I think he was a guy that all of his life had had dreamed of reaching this kind of success and fame and when he did he wanted he wanted to grab it and eat it like a glutton and that's to some I mean there's no reason why I always say he rose like a rocket and he fell like a stick. I mean the his rice. This was incredible media. I was doing my little people are talking show and he was on the cover of Time magazine. In every person in the country knew we was and and then in less than a second year. It was just a little over a year. He was you put the swastika on his head and he was persona. Non Grata everywhere year. He just seemed like a guy. I never tell if he was acting or not but he revis he was acting so if he went from zero to one hundred that quickly that was all that was just kind of show that was at any part of his personality because I feel like because there was a time where stern interviewed him and stern always says people up with those questions and I thought he's going to kill stearns reporter one time I thought he was going to he was sal high winds there. I was the united happened. It was stuttering John and more Donnie Downey got up and not the microphone out of his hand and and hit him and and the funny thing is is that you know I've been fired from channel nine and one of the produces who says was there with me that night sitting at the tate we were all sitting at the same table in a club and and that was and and then after all that happened the producer who was now working with Matt Lauer said. Would you ever consider coming back to channel nine. I said are you kidding me of course and he went back and spoke to management and they worked out some kind of deal and that's when I went back to channel nine again and it was the changed the name of the show from people are talking to nine Broadcast Plaza and then eventually it became the Richard Bache show but it was that very night that that atd Downey clobbered stuttering John that the you know the bread crumbs were dropped that led me back to hosting a show and I haven't seen that clip it forever. I remember he was furious at like I said from zero to one hundred and it must have been a second like I thought he was. He's Gonna I thought I thought John was the dead man. I thought he was dead. assuming there wasn't a spiral various so you have your show and other shows shows kinda build off of what you kind of your innovation your creation. Let's say none of that ever happened. Could you have a Richard Bay show in two thousand nineteen which you have to tweak it could could you have that type of showers it. Just one of those shows were a fit into the period was in well. It's it's it's. It's hard to say. I mean I would I there was one. I WOULD WANNA go in new directions with it or do different things I have to tell you the show was on for five years right and when we were cancelled and that was pretty interesting too to when we were cancelled I I it was a sense of relief in a way because five years yes we do two hundred sixty five shows a year. I mean we had done ever. We had our evergreens. We had you know the Mr Puny version MS begged bud and we had the wheel of torture and I am and Detective Bay and the what was the other thing we you did that was sort of like a gong show rip off and we we did all sorts of things but you know what what was the next step. I you know right. There was nothing on that level. We had done just about everything that you could do so so I went. It was canceled. This is your one. Do you want to hear that anything. You have to say absolutely all right so two thousand you know I'm sorry Nineteen Nineteen ninety-six I'm reading the trade papers and one week I read as a woman. Sally Hayes booked on Sally Jesse Esi Raffaelle show to talk about her affair with Bill Clinton in Arkansas and then a few days later I read that she showed up for the taping and they told her to go home that they'd switch the topics and they didn't need her anymore. Then I read a a piece in the trades about Rolonda and how she had booked a different woman who had had an affair with Bill Clinton and she showed up same thing but nobody nobody knew they weren't connected stories. They were disconnected and she was sent home as well so I I should back up on this a little bit and this is the case is that during this period of time there was a lot of a lot of negativity about talk shows there was so many of them on the air they flooded the airwaves yeah Danny and tempest vist and Charles Perez and Oh my God they were every Carney maury jerry. Oh my God there were under all doing or attempting to extract the coarsest elements of my show without the ingenuity woody or the spontaneity or the humor you know or a satter not satirizing but they're all the places flooded with them so Joe Lieberman Bill Bennett who had been secretary of education and I don't know was it Sam Nunn I forget there was a third third. They got together and they said these talk shows are destroying American civilization and we're calling upon the advertisers to to stop their advertising on these shows because they are detrimental to American culture. Now I a good laugh. I mean I even sang a song on the air up about who don't like I'm just a Gigolo Gigolo before we're trying to get so you know ratings were great but advertisers stopped advertising on these shows you know and that led to a lot of them going down down but they came to me and said look try different things do different things on the show and have fun but take out this lease and I said but the sleaze is part of the foot right you know it's. It's you know we can only we we. We'd have the every year. We'd have a summer Bikini contest. They told me I could only have one piece bathing suits. I said are you kidding. I mean having strippers on his show and I have that one piece and they were just telling us you can't do this didn't you can't do that and so. I started doing different things so rosy it come on and she was promoting herself as the Queen of Nice and so I did a show where I was saying the Ritchie show. I'm the King of Nice as but I wasn't Nice I n a baby like Rosie but I pitched it into the into the crib and through pizza added to feed it and all these thousand come out. She had her little cute kids. I be's brats that would come out and we did this whole variety show that was a take off on on on Rosie O'Donnell and I had a theme song. He's just one of the guys otherwise known as the King of nine is never angry. He's never bitchy. He's just richie and you know there was more yeah. I won't go on so I did that. And what else did I I I I I I just tried different sort of satirical things that were outside of our realm. We had done The O. J. Simpson thing where everybody was talking about that. We did a white people who thought he was innocent against black. People thought he was guilty. They just just the exact opposite so so this whole thing started to get back to where I was. I'm seeing all these people who say they were uh-huh having sex with Bill Clinton being cut from talk shows and I said God told you we have a voracious appetite. We have so many forgets. We have so many shows to fill you. Don't just cancel a guest that day they show up so I called Jennifer flowers up and I said listen. I haven't seen you anywhere on TV and she she said well. That's because everytime booked on something. They canceled it. You know a day or two before. I'm supposed to show up so I said well. Would you like to do my show and she said how she said. You'll never get me on said Yeah. I'll get you on because I everybody thinks I'm just this scillies. You know stupid guy on TV. is it but I'll sit down. I'll give you a good into a fair interview so she came on so I cleared it with all the management and they told told me if you WANNA do this show. You can do it but you'll have to do it on your own time. You won't have an audience booker. the the crew will do you would you know right after their lunch break when they're doing prep and you know you won't have any help on this. I said all right fine so I finally got shoot it and it was on tape and I start an empty audience because I have no one that won't Bokan audience for it and and I said my audience is empty today and that's GonNa make some people very happy because they don't want you to hear what my guest is. GonNa say and you won't see her anywhere where else and in fact there it might be that this show isn't even on your TV because it got pulled and it never got on the air but if it is on your television you should stay tuned and watch this because there are people who don't want you to see it for some reason or other and they're and they're preventing her from speaking out. My guest is so I get go up there and I do this show with Jennifer flowers and two weeks later airs phones light up half the people saying you son of a bitch. How can you do this to the president did what three weeks before the election and in half the people calling up saying. God bless you this is before Fox News right so so there is nothing like that on and I wanted to find something that wasn't on TV to do you know so but in the ratings for the show where grade and the next day I'm called into into the office and they tell me the show is going out of production and I said just because of the Jennifer flowers show and the executive. Doesn't there's an answer me and just put your head down on. I said wait a second. This is October twelfth you just side to new contract with me on September first I and it was for close to a million dollars in a high six figures and I said we just signed a new contract and she she said you'll be paid every week so according to that I'd be paid every week if I just kept my mouth shut and didn't I didn't say anything about it during that year but I got a bucket of money every week for a year. I mean I sent my parents is on a yacht cruise around the Mediterranean then I sent them on a boat trip down the Danube at other time. I took my brother. Jimmy took my girlfriend to Monaco. I mean to have that kind of money coming in and not do anything right. I mean it was incredible. and so in fact. I I wasn't suffering as I said I said okay. You know I've done this. I'll go on and do the next thing and and that was how that show ended. That's unbelievable like that to me. Richard just shows the power of advertisers like what power they have right because in the end at the end it was them right responsible for it because you don't know who is responsible for it but it happened right after the Jennifer flowers show right now so ah the New York Post that Clinton killed his show Clinton didn't do this but in fact the guy that owned the station group was a guy named herb herbs Siegel who was a big republican donor but he was trying to sell all of his stations and he needed FCC and FTC approval to do it and you know at that level you don't want who's this picture. Richard Bay making waves with the government at a time when I need the government's acquiescence to make my four billion dollars you know I mean. I don't even know if that's it but that's what I assume. It wasn't even a political thing. It was just a thing thing of Oh my God now. You've really crossed. The line wasn't a big butt contest. It wasn't anything else. It was something something like this. That's awful in what I going to say one thing. I really one of the things I really enjoyed seeing you. In was in two thousand nine Bruno are are you. Can you talk about that. I thought originally wanted an NDA so I want to be careful. I don't WanNa push difficult so it's it's all over. I mean what are they. GonNa do consuming now. I we were. I was so happy my girlfriend like Dad. His Dad has the guy been telling you about Richard Bag because we so we were so thrilled to see you a thorough so so much fun to do. I mean we shot it in Texas so they've but when they called me up you WanNa talk they called me up and they said listen we represent a an entertainment group and we'd like to bring back the Richard Bay show and I said you're kidding and they said yeah we think that could be European sale and you know you're red lights. You say an innovator and sure they said but I you've got to sign an NDA before. We discussed the details with your size okay okay so they sent me the NBA back then they say well. We just told you that to get you to sign the NDA. We're really did you ever hear of Sasha Baron Cohen I said I said. Are you kidding me. I'm a monster fan so they said well. We're GONNA do this show Bruno. and I said I know the character so you know I signed up to do it but I thought I told my friends you know. I'll be a voice off camera. I won't really be a part of this show. Show you know I maybe you'll get a glimpse of me in the audience somewhere when they did it. They put my name up there. They had t shirt. I should have asked for ten times the money that I got. I mean I did that for scale. You know and you are so good. I've got to say and for those who've seen it and I'm not just saying this to patronize you because we're speaking. I'm GonNa tell you it's my favorite part of the movie and it's not even close like it's so let me tell you they were damn lucky to have maybe they had a local host that they were also thinking of using and they tried the show with him and it was a mess but what I did was I went out and we shot at three different ways. We had a sort of Bible belt gun audience you know with people wanted to pull out their guns and tell me me I met Mr Smith and Mr West and has a question for this you know who gay guy in and then we had another audience that was sort of your generic donahue audience and and we had the black audience which is what they use but when they when they had this other guy come up the whole thing just was a mess in and got out of control so they called me back in to do the two other shows but this is what I did before we got to Bruno they to make get look like a real talk show they had booked other guests. We had a wicked and yeah a father who was a wiccan who was raising his children as wiccans and then we had a guy who was married to a stripper and they were going to tell the daughter. The mother was working in a so called Gentlemen's club and the whole idea was and I was in Texas so I said the theme of our show. Today is parenting parenting. When do you have a right to tell a parent. No you can't raise the kid this way I mean isn't when he's when anyone to raise the child in a religion that worships trees and spirits or is it when the mother is doing something that's sexually provocative is or is it when a gay man has an interracial child. I said here in Texas you recently had a big controversy because the state came in and raided a Mormon compound where the parents were raising young girls who were then marrying old with men now that was part of their religion now. How many of you think the state has a right to step in and tell people you know how to raise your children children. who were the state of? Texas was right doing that to the Mormons half of them raise their hand. How many do you think that that the parenting the as an inviolate privilege and the state has no role in it yes so I set the whole thing up as if this was a real talk show and this was the issue so that when Sasha Baron Cohen came out actually they were willing to accept that he was gay until he pushed the until he was in the hot tub with the baby until he said he didn't adopt swapped them for an Ipod you know I mean gene flow and they don't that's amazing. somebody who loves movies to hear you say that. I mean you. You legitimately had a complete show granted. We only saw the part that fit right the that's a lot of hard work on an act. That's for you. That must have been pretty difficult house. Grow them. They should have paid me ten times three. So I mean how do you I mean. He's an absolute genius. How do you maintain your composure your win. He tells the audience look I gave my baby a traditional African name and he says Oj Oj the nuts like I would have lost. I mean you're a pro's pro's pro. I get it but is there ever a time where you're like. Is it tough too because I mean he's he's being obviously naive and stupid saying he went to Africa's full of African African Americans and no funny. Is it tough to maintain your composure in a situation like that not not when you're been an actor actor. I've seen some great comedians on who acted opposite me and plays. There are plenty of things you know. I mean now that that part wasn't difficult. The thing is Sasha Baron Cohen. I didn't speak to him out of character until the whole we finished at like one in in the morning I think because they shot four shows they shot one without me and they shot three with me and you'd have to set each one up and bring each audience in and so at one o'clock we finally wrapped at me got to go to craft services and what's what's his name. Charles Le Less Charles or Lee Charles the guy that did Seinfeld. He was the director Really Great Guy Anyway. He brought me the over to meet Sasha Baron Cohen Larry Larry Larry Charles Larry Charles and at the time we were the only two smokers so Larry Charles we're outside the the studio smoking cigarettes in the Garage Raj but Sasha Baron Cohen was so tightly wound that you would stand next to him. You could feel the vibrations and it felt like he was going to explode right. That's how intense he was as a person when it was all over while so he I mean even though he's out of character doctor. He's still pretty wound up at that point. Yes thank you very much. It was nice working with you and but man I I just wanted to say man. Roller joined have joined something you know. Is that his personality do you think or or you think Richard that is kind of just the pressure from doing that. Character and having people KINDA WANNA basically not kill you but like like the looks looks in in the feedback he gets. Do you think that wears away at them. I can only speculate because I only met him for what five minutes shout but I would. I'd say that that's surely speculation that has credit moving it. Does it like most of the people that that participate in Sasha's movies down at the end up not looking that great but I thought you great because of your role than I thought you did a great job. Well thank you very much and and I'd like to thank the academy. Thank God for my award so I thank you for giving me almost Austin our. I have two more questions for you. Thank you so much Richard Richard. What do you think of so. There's a guy that is familiar with the jackass movies right. There are these these are it got so so there's one Guy Bammer Jerem seventy a very tough time. He's clearly like they wanted his friends. WanNa check him into a rehab and that's where he is now now but he he really wanted to talk to. Dr Phil and I'm not trying to get something poorly said about Dr Phil but part of me thinks it's not very people people think he's actually a doctor. which kind of bothers me a little lesson? You can get me say so. I think he's an asshole are glad you said it because that's what I was. GonNa dance dance around because I don't. I don't get it because the it's one thing to half okay. Let's let's let's have fun with this. Let's have strippers on. Let's do this. Let's do that but it's another when you're dealing with somebody's life in substance abuse and something very serious and you're all about ratings. I have a big issue with the way his approach is and big issue with him as a as a person in general I understand that and I agree with you I just because the guy came to them for help and he's not really suited to help anybody. There's just but anyways my last question to you is the future is right now. You're you're doing theater. Where would you like to see yourself go. What's what's the clamming like I said. I think you can do anything you wanted to. I'd love to hear you host. The show must be here. You do any of that. What what do you want to do. What's the goal for the future for you. Richard well as you can probably surmise from listening to the story of my life these things just sort of happened and you know the road appears that I take a walk down the road. You know I'm not I I've known people in my life who are goal oriented and set their goals out and then go out and achieve them. That sort of thing has never been the way my life has worked or or I'd still still be on television. I'd still be on radio but you know I'd like to these lots of things that I'd I'd like. I'd love to be on radio again. I really loved radio. I love this functionality and the connection with the callers that I had a great great time doing radio that the kind of radio that I did doesn't even exist anymore. There's no every first of all it's all politics. Politics and it's all right wing politics there are no. I mean the NFC have Stephanie Miller but yeah yeah you're right. You're right now for sure. It's all right wing radio and and so that doesn't seem to be that opportunity you you know. I love doing the theater I I love to do audio books right and I've looked into that and and I'd love to write right and I practice the piano every day I would do. I want to get better at that. I mean who you know who knows running. Somebody you know tomorrow. Somebody will call me and say we. WanNa bring back the Richard Bay show and but you have to sign an NDA I and then when I do they'll say oh. We want you for the next Jackass movie. I can see you totally having a place as Sirius radio right because there's there's so much variety there. I worked on serious. I don't know what happened. Man I used to fill in for everybody on serious and then one day hey they just stopped calling and the audiences loved the show that I did. It was a really I mean I feel they used absolutely serious left and I'd I'd fill in for all their left hosts when they went on vacation but you know after I I kept telling them on coming to New York. Do you have any feelings I'm coming to New York. I I moved to New York if I if I had a job and you know after a while it's like I'm banging my head against the wall and I'm going after what I've done and you don't even respond to me right right right. No that's a very fair point but I gotta say and I'm not like a bunch of saints going to speaking with you. You're very very far far from finished so that's that's not even up for debate. You have a bright future ahead of you and you're just too talented to to to just have it just evaporate at just. I don't see it happening. The evaporated for for some very talented people in the past so you don't know but you know what if you don't love transients you don't love life things change you get older. You'll live in different places. You have different opportunities and life is about adjusting adding to the changes your good soul. Richard and I and I can't thank you enough for coming on the show today and I wish you nothing but love and success moving forward well thank you. It's been my pleasure pleasure to be here and all my best to you. uh-huh uh mm-hmm uh-huh mm-hmm uh yeah home in your. Um mm-hmm uh-huh uh-huh in perfect

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1947: Steve Kornacki: "The magic ingredient was frustrating Gingrich"

The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press

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1947: Steve Kornacki: "The magic ingredient was frustrating Gingrich"

"Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to meet the meet apprentice the press. Alexei two thousand the day when red and blue America, as we know it was born. That's what my colleague Steve Kornacki writes in his new book, the red and the blue why were the nineties the spark for political tribalism and between the Clintons, Newt Gingrich and Ross Perot? How did we get to Donald Steve welcome? Thanks her anti forty seven. Thanks for having make the return visitor first time, I man listeners of the podcast that very nice, okay? My favorite first of all. Did you delve into the history of which party became the red party in which party became the blue party and the fight? I say this because you know, there's always was a fight until two thousand about which party gets that'd be the blue at which party gets to be the reds. And I've heard conflicting stories about what brought that about. And of course, it wasn't always even just blue and red. There were nights way in the past. When yellow was go back to the nineteen seventy two when they try to do math back, then I've heard different people take credit for it. The earliest reference I could find on air to that term being used indirect reference to the parties we have the red states here, the blue states here was Tim rusher in the today show about a week before the two thousand election. It's funny. John racy executive producer of meet the press says he he vividly remembers David Brinkley on election night, nine hundred eighty going and our map looks like a suburban swimming pool. It's blue from coast to coast. There was a Reagan landslide. Right, right. It every network had a different. And so that was a time NBC. The Republicans were the blue states in India briefly in eighty four told viewers that tonight Republicans will be read we decided that because red and Reagan start with the same letter. That was all meant I remember I used to obsess over this at the hotline in nineteen ninety two and ninety four those cycles you'd get and I'd sit there it was confusing because you'd have the RG in the g the governors association's they'd offer you their their maps of their target races. And they both put the opponents in rent, you know, because it was all sort of remnants. Nobody wanted to be the reds, you know, sort of a Cold War leftover. You know, you're you're you're enough of a junkie. You know, this probably a lot of your listeners to there's a great a site out there of just historical presidential election, data called US election. And it is actually if you wanna see how recent the red state blue state phenomenon is this has been online. I think for about twenty years it predates the two thousand election is the one that stubborn about it. So he's still you flew for Dave leave Dave Lee, yet leave the IP, I've never actually pronounced ally. But I read it all the time and. He sticks with blue for the Republicans read for the Democrats because that's how he started it before everybody else decided it was something else. You know, I've tried to swim upstream before for a long period of time. I've done it in polling. I've given up sooner or later. Dude, you're gonna make sure all right. So why did you decide the ninety s I get two thousand red and the blue why do you think it's the nineties where this began what your case? My argument is the turmoil in the nineties created the divisions that you saw on that map in two thousand we've always had divisions in this country. We've always had turmoil in this country. We've always had people you can think back to the Vietnam era, you can think back a lot farther than that. But the specific thing that really took shape in the nineteen ninety s was that all of that sync up with party in party came to mean, something much more significant something much deeper. I it came to almost become a substitute for identity for people had cultural meaning demographic, meaning geographic. Meaning in those lines those divisions, those divides, I think were forged in large part or in a great deal. I should say through the eventually in one thousand nine hundred they essentially forced the country to take sides and choose which party, which tribe, and they were a part of in the map showed. In two thousand in the framework, more or less is kinda stuck sent to me. There's definitely the there's no doubt, you know, inflection point Andy four it's there. It's all there. Right. Have you considered this sort of weird counter? Factual, which is the political parties entities have never been weaker the people's identities with the two parties has never been stronger. Right. How did that that is been a part of ads? It's been more to totally wrap my head around. But to me, that's what tribal is miss. And that's where we know the words used to be gridlock in partisanship. And that's where it starts getting into tribalism and the stat that stands out to me is it was in twenty sixteen. They had that poll of Democrats and Republicans. Would you be upset if your son or daughter married somebody from the other party, and it was more than sixty percent in both parties those numbers you used to get for interracial marriage because their numbers he used to get for one religion marrying, another religion. That's how deep the meaning is of Republican. I'm a democrat. I'm red. I'm blue I'm a red state person. I'm blue state person. And that's a lot more than set of position papers or whatever how much. I've been trying to figure out the chicken and egg in here a little bit. Because there's been, you know, we talk about the great sorting and the self sort and some of this the red and the blue is part of the self sort. But which came first the self sort or? Our ability to take data and sort everybody into certain groups in. So suddenly, this was always there. We just are now seeing because we have the data when we matched up with what I'm describing here is in this book is the period where this all gets matched up with party. You know, I I don't think it was always there. Because if if you go back to, you know, I try to tell two parallel stories here. It's it's the rise of Clinton on the one side and the rise of Gingrich and the other than the collision that kind of animates the nineties while the rise of Gingrich the Republican party when he came to Washington at his third try to congress in nineteen Seventy-eight Republicans were winning the south in presidential elections by massive, Mark. Right. Right. And I mean Goldwater in sixty four was able to get eighty seven percent in Mississippi. But try getting a Republican elected dogcatcher in Mississippi at the same time. It was alien Garber ran in eighty four lost by thirty. Right. It was so it was still you had this you had these in the National Party's reflected this this is this is what you would have conservative southerners in the Democratic Party. Sharing it with, you know, Charlie Rangel in Barney, Frank from the north in on the Republican side, you'd have you know, liberals authentic liberals Jacob Javits from New York Clifford case, Ed Brooke Massachusetts, sharing a party with old Bob Taft Republicans from the mid west, you know, very very conservative in isolated and a lot of ways Republicans when it came to foreign policy. So each party had that just that the term Republicans always like to use the big ten. I mean, these parties were both massive tenants were in the Gingrich theory of it. When he got to the house was, hey, look, Nixon, just one forty nine states in one thousand nine hundred ninety two against George McGovern. If we can make Democrats at every level of the ballot George McGovern, and we can be law and order, Richard Nixon on the other side of it. We can win everywhere in the ballot and his his his organization. I've I've talked to candidates there are people in congress today. Republicans who tell me the first time they started to when they first sparked an interest and thinking about running for office was because they they. They they bought Newt Gingrich's go pack, tastes these cassette. Bainer? Yes. I've heard the beat on. Yeah. In the nineteen eighties. And it was they were basically candidate training. I guess it was how to speak as Republic. Yes. Yeah. I am a Republican. I believe in limited government, I believe in small government. My opponent believes in a welfare state. My opponent does not believe in individual responsibility and pet picture. These these guys driving around there isn't much in the way of talk radio the way, we have it. Now, there's no cable news to go home to see by the gate. Gingrich you audiotape in your car, you drive around into here, this there would be these you know, they were just advertisements in national review. Yeah. You know, like full page ads sort of his in the way, he got his name out was in. This is a I can draw a line from Gingrich do in this Trump using Twitter. He had to find a way around the dominant media, which at the time was the big three networks. What Gingrich found was just thrown a camera into the house of representatives on C span. And they had the obscure, you know, house rule a special orders at the end of the business day any house member can claim the time for any as long as they. Want for any reason they want and it was always? Yeah. Go ahead talk to an empty house. What do we care? Gingrich news not an empty house. Right. There's this thing called cable TV millions of people are getting every year. I'm going to start speaking. They're gonna find me I'm going to have an audience that was a big part of his rice now match think about the demographic of the first cable TV subscribers there were two demographics one was obviously the wealthy. But the other was rural America who couldn't get the antenna television exception, TV was their lifeline, right? And suddenly, they became the first cease Benjamin. And what happened to is Gingrich's colleagues. We Gingrich came to the house again in seventy eight. So he gets there. Republicans have not just been in the minority since nineteen fifty four. I mean, they're not even close right there. Eighty ninety seats away. It's still in east amazing thing that happened in my lifetime. When it happened in ninety four for a lot of felt the end the Democratic Party. You're like, oh my God. I losing the house you we had stopped even contemplating it as something you just said, oh, well, look Republicans might get one hundred house meme two hundred members right? It was always the Senate. And it was the Senate the permanent Democratic Congress. Well, don't forget. That was also a time when we thought the Democrats couldn't never wait. Right. There was the Republican electoral lock, right? That was what Bill Clinton picked in the permanent Democratic Congress. That was what Gingrich toppled just as an aside. My father was the was that Republican voter in that his deceased now in that he used to say, well, the Democrats should come up with the ideas, but you need a Republican managing and that was always that was his rationale with. Okay. That's why there's a Democratic Congress. But you always have to have Republicans to keep them from overspending and doing stupid things that was his the way he and he was this is south Florida. So there was only the Democratic Party locally. There wasn't really a lot of Republican at the time. This is the seventies before the rise of the Cuban. And there had been a whole mindset of that almost voters got conditioned to think that is conservative voters. Did it? Also, it's amazing. When you when you start reconstructing, forty years of democratic control of congress at what point did it come to seem permanent at what point did Republican leaders are treating it as permanent the magic ingredient with frustrating Gingrich others here because again think about it. He gets in there and seventy eight Reagan carries forty four states. In one thousand nine hundred he has some house coattails eighty two. They take a bath. Eighty-four? Reagan gets reelected with forty nine states. Still can't get the house. They Bush Eighty-eight eight wins, forty states still no magic ingredient was getting a democratic president right with a massive democratic majority in the house in a massive democratic majority in the Senate, and then trying to move on a liberal agenda. And that was the backlash, and then it was that trying to move on it against a Republican party that had been transformed by Newt Gingrich a party that wasn't going to compromise. And we're going to try to come up with contrast on every one of those moves Democrats made you fast forwarded through one part here. And that is, you know, everybody always loves to go back. Okay. It started with you know, it started here with Clinton. No started here with Gingrich. And then you you start going. Well, there's fork right, then there's the bloody eight. Yeah. You know, we're out when was the point where the Democrats started acting as if they had a permanent house majority. Yes. The bloody. Yes. You know, the story you want to tell us is in the book. No matter what am I favor stories thousand nine nineteen Eighty-four. This is the Ronald Reagan is winning the press is when it's getting reelected president with sixty percent of the vote nationally forty nine states, Indiana, he wins. I think is margin and needed something like thirty points over Walter Mondale, the eighth district at that point in Indiana, which stretches from the college town of Bloomington all the way down to the southern border of the state. Onto the market. Yeah. You're getting you're basically down by Kentucky. And you've got this is a race that has flipped part. They call it. The bloody eighth because for every election since nineteen sixty six basically, the incumbent has lost. Its he got an income. A democrat who got elected in eighty two is a bad year for the for the Republicans in eighty two running for reelection in eighty four and you, and it becomes the closest house election in the country on election night, and their initially the Republicans declared the winner, then it's the counter going back and forth in the house. Eventually the house judges its own elections. How many months later? Yeah. We're like don't forget this drags on too. May of eighty five right? I forget this ended up dragging on longer. Even the Al Franken recount didn't go and they sent out they ended up commissioning this three-member a task force that tip O'Neill. The house speaker appoints Leon Panetta from California leads at the Democrats. It's two to one two Democrats one Republican the Republicans Bill Thomas from California and Bill Thomas is saying what am I doing here? I'm gonna lose every vote to two one in. In this task force. They have a cold public hearings in Evansville, Indiana. The rooms are packed. They end up counting the ballots themselves deciding we're going to count the it's like Florida in two thousand. So basically it builds and it builds to the Democrats deciding the democrat won the election. The Democrats are gonna vote so made eighty five the democrat. I they come to have the final vote to accept the recommendation that the democrat will be declared the winner in the in the eighth district to the Indiana. The Republicans protest, you know, in Gingrich has been egging them on that. This is this is a moment. We've got to stay in the big divide in the Republican side has been Gingrich that style versus Bob Michael Republican leader, they call a mister nice guy. He's golfing buddies with tip O'Neill in Gingrich has been saying you got to fight because these guys walk all over us. And when the Democrats vote to seek their member Gingrich and the Republicans get up to leave and Michael gets up with them in tip O'Neill, the speakers presiding over the chamber and he calls out to Bob Michael in the asked will the gentleman stay to welcome the new member. Bob, Michael tells them, no. And they. All walk out the entire Republican side in that was one of those transformative moments were Gingrich one over the became the defacto leader. Yep. Then after that it's targeting Jim Wright, and then goes right into Jim. Right. Right. And we and sort of this new era where everybody is trying to kill the others leader. Yup. Is born and Gingrich. This is the other. Not kill each other's leaders before that Jim Wright, he's the first speaker to go down on ethics charges. Gingrich gets him on book royalties, and it's like a pamphlet that is this donors down in Texas. But there were two key ingredients there that I think it a little forgotten in number one is we only think of Gingrich's, it's just it's conservative. He's pulling them to the right? All of this. The key to Gingrich's rise ended up being moderate Republicans in the house who felt that they were being trampled by the Democrats. They felt that way. Because of what you're talking about Neo nineteen Eighty-four with eighth district. They felt when Jim Wright a big moment to is Jim Wright taking over from tip O'Neill in January eighty-seven 'cause tip O'Neill democrat liked him. Even if they thought he was being a little too radical or something he was a nice guy. He told good stories. You know, they give a tribute dinner room on his way out. Bob, Michael gets up and says, I love this man any felt it. And then Jim right comes in. And he's more reserved. He is more tactical. He's more strategic. He has this vision of the speakership that it's going into the house is going to take back power from Reagan from the presidency from the executive. Branch. And so when Gingrich starts going after Jim right over this and starts calling. You know, Jim Wright is corrupt GM right is crooked. Jin right. Doesn't have an honest bone in his body if he'd been saying that about tip O'Neill, Michael and Republicans wouldn't have gone there. Because Jim, right. It kind of felt good to them. And they didn't join him at first, but they didn't them in. And it built in that building a built in by the end of it, even some ethics watchdogs are on Gingrich's side. And then in may eighty nine it collapses in Jim Wright has to go to the floor of the house. And when he goes to the Florida house in may eighty nine to resign. The whole place is packed the speeches something to go back and wash right now, he says he frames his resignation as he says, I am falling on the sword for the good of this institution. Consider this a sacrifice to protect this institution. From what has infected infected he's talking about new Kimber. And I don't wanna get I want to move into the ninety s week. As we could go down. Oh, by the way in between this Bork. Yes. The board yet which is another important. I've said there's these political scars, you know, you know, you go to coastal cities that are susceptible to hurricanes and you you'll see they they label where the wa high watermark czar. And you see the different. We almost have these little scars here in Washington Bork is a Marquette, the bloody eight is a Mark Jim writes, a Mark, you know, in everything is new territory until it's a detriment by the next one. Yeah, let's fast forward to two Ross Perot because Perot's rise seem to come from the fact that the most the weirdest thing to me about the nineties when you actually think about the split between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the divide is actually not on economics. And Perot was able to rise because Bill Clinton decided to adopt. The Republican theory of the case on on essentially the American economy, like low interest rates free trade he sort of started at Dopp ding, the Bush economy, whether he'd never said it, but that's what he did which gave us Ross Perot in Ross Perot was. I mean, look, it's the first populist billionaire you can see in the core of Ross Perot's appeal a lot of what was to come with Donald Trump. But it was the Perot coalition back then was was funky because it was drawn equally from both parties. And it was this idea. Remember, there'd been a bunch of scandals in Washington in the early nineteen nineties have been the house banking scandal. And they were all bouncing hundreds of checks. They weren't having to pay any kind of overdraft theon it. So you know, there was that. There was the Keating five scandal. There was this. Of course, the economy, the fact that there was the early nineties recession just played into this notion that Washington was just totally and completely broken, and that Bush was feckless and remember Clinton in the. Ninety two campaign Perot first emerges Clinton was seen is totally unelectable he had just survived somehow, the Jennifer flowers scandal the Vietnam draft Willie Brown who at the time was the go the lead democrat in California. The unofficial leader the California Democratic party as late as may was advocating the Democrats, nominate Perot's pro that's in the book to the Democrats believed. Or is there some way at the convention. We still get Mario Cuomo to run right? It's still talking about that in this my favorite, my favorite, my favorite souvenir from the ninety two democratic convention was a t shirt, it's got was Cuomo ninety two a conviction of the heart. They were passing them around. I the Sunday before the convention. They were everywhere and then Perot drops out. Clinton Clinton searches Cleveland, never never trailed in a poll past when Perot dropped out which was the same day that Bill Clinton accepted nomination July nineteen Ninety-two in Perot had been starting to the numbers have been starting to go down. There had been an element of it where democratic voters who just Clinton was dishonest sleazy on electable had gone to Perot. He was starting to win them. Back Clinton zooms twenty points ahead in the polls after that speech in ninety two in Madison Square Garden never trails a single poll the rest of the way, there's a lot more I want to get to. But we're we're getting we're getting getting law. How could we have prevented? This have you. Did you find do you feel like is it, you know, would it have been different had the Democrats accepted the Republican recount in the bloody the forget would it have been different. If. Republic. If Reagan had realized that Bork had gotten too politicized, Nixon and was the wrong guy. Right. And never actually nominates that. We don't have that is it different. If Gary Hart is president of the United States in nineteen eighty eight and we don't have Bill Clinton. I you know, what is have you? Do you feel like you? There is one moment or is it just a series of moments. Yeah. I think it's a lot of it. I feel been delayed. I think there's an inevitability to a lot of it. I headed this way, you think. Yeah. I mean, look new Gingrich got elected to the house on his third try, right? If he loses he's a perennial candidate in west, Georgia, and nobody ever hears of him. And I think eventually Gingrich comes along. I don't know necessarily who it would have been. It was this guy was one of the interesting thing when John Kemp had been the star of the House Republicans in the eighties. Yeah. Here. I'll give you another one. How about this in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight George H W Bush gets elected president pixes his Defense Secretary John tower. Yeah. John tower, democrat shades of cavenaugh. Yes. Drinking and carousing womanizing the nomination. Goes down. Sam Nunn, leads Democrats they killed animation. Nobody expected. This was going to happen towers down Bush's scrambling for a replacement. Gotta get it done quickly. Who's confirmable Dick Cheney Dick Cheney if he doesn't get picked for defense. Secretary stays in the house Dick Cheney succeeds by Michael, Newt Gingrich. I don't think become speaker house. I'll tell you. I've always wanted to do an entire documentary on crazy butterfly affects my my favorite goes in one thousand nine hundred there's the the the scandal ridden Republican secretary of state of Florida Senator Martha is a dead. Duck. Democrats are leading Republicans are panicked and they decided we've got to find somebody to primary her oh, the granddaughter of one of the great donors of the Republican party. Let's try Katherine Harris. Ben hill Griffin her grandfather's name is on the stadium. And so imagine if Katherine Harris doesn't run they knocked the incumbent off its democratic secretary of state this Florida ever get certified, and then and then we don't have Bush forget it. There's so many of these stories. So I think it could have been delayed at you know, the big one. I I have in the book. Here we focus on quite a bit is Mario Cuomo gets on the plane in nineteen ninety one. And you get a democratic president who wouldn't have had. I don't think the sexual scandals that came with Bill Clinton. Yeah. Guess what would have come in? Mario Cuomo though Albany. Well, and that was and you know, Albany had and that Little Rock Albany in some ways small state capitals. Yeah. Political machines they're entertained, sadly, they're interchangeable whether they're Republicans or Democrats the untested thing is if Cuomo gets on that plane and gets in the race three weeks later the Jennifer flowers scandal hits. And remember part of that scandal was the tapes in on the tapes. Bill Clinton is mocking Cuomo mafioso like a mob. If Cuomo was a candidate in Beck. Cuomo destroys them with that. And now Clinton survived for the same reason frump survived. Nobody likes the alternates heels. This is the this is I know we're short on time, and I'll just quickly and on this one. Then maybe the great myth. I think are the great misunderstood thing about Bill Clinton's rise in ninety two. It is true. He ran to the middle to beat Bush, and that's absolutely true. But he got to run the left in the democratic primaries because impulsive longest-standing random I wanted to be the best friend Wall Street ever had was his opponent. And so Clinton rally the left, and then move the party of the middle in the fall hammered Songas for social security. So just yet Florida that was it Florida. And it was retirement homes afloat, you know, you know, Steve we could keep doing this. This is we all right. I'm gonna promise listeners this you, and I are just going to do the races on a podcast before election day. At least once if not twice that'd be great before it happens because there's only so much. We get to San TV. Yes. The thing on the book tour the podcast or the best four minute segments. Congratulations. 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1996, Dole vs. Clinton: The Comeback Kid

American Elections: Wicked Game

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1996, Dole vs. Clinton: The Comeback Kid

"It's the summer of Nineteen fifty-eight in Verdone France. A fifteen year old American boy and his father reverently walk across the site of what was one of the bloodiest battles of world war one the battle of Verdun had taken place on the French western front between February and December of nineteen sixteen and had left nine French town's in complete ruin a French lieutenant had famously written of the battle hell cannot be so terrible the boy has visited a number of battlefields with his father but something about this one feels different. How many died dad are to say exactly son but more than half a million wounded or killed here battle lasted over three hundred days a lot or the French and German dead were never identified. The boy's father is a career military man having served in Korea Vietnam now stationed in only all France, he's made it a point to expose his sons to the remnants of both world wars throughout the country Let's let's move on I. WanNa show you something to cemetery but not like the ones you're used to seeing. They make their way to the do among ossuaries memorial building on the Verdun Battlefield. Once inside the head to a lower level. They're just beyond a pane of glass. The Boise's the bones of over one, hundred, thirty, thousand, dead. The site of skull stacked on top of each other hits the boy away nothing ever has. They come from. They found the bodies of these men rotting on the battlefield. Torn, blown apart a bishop thought they deserved a better rest than and so they built this memorial all these people died in the battle for what while the freedoms you take for granted on, they come at a price. They were paid for in blood, but there are Farrell even in a country you think is invulnerable can hong go away prosperity safety. It's all fragile. So we have to think about how we stop it from happening. Soldiers our brave, but they can only do so much. It's up to others it's up to leaders. We need leaders who can look forward can see challenges before they come be ready to meet those challenges head on. The boy stands there in silence this visit her done has been transformative. He can't put it into words just yet but years later when he looks back, he will think of this moment when he found that he had a clear purpose are welcome on newt. Let's go. Young Newt Gingrich follows his father out of the US, worry and back into the open French air his plan for the future is already forming. Soon, he comes to believe that a free nation lives and dies by the choices of its elected officials at the age fifteen. Newt. Gingrich would decide it was his duty to someday run for office and protect America's freedoms. The people who drive industries entertainment and culture shape our world every day in bold and dramatic ways. But did you ever wonder how they got there? Behind the talent features in depth conversations with people who identify and develop talent the people who find the people that shape our world guests include big league sports, Scouts, Rockstar talent agents and CIA officers. Uncovering the skills and challenges that unite them. All is the job of host David. Mead. He's an expert Speaker Educator and he brings his own curiosity and insights to each interview to expand our understanding of what it means to be a recruiter. Today's world of work brought to you by indeed dot com behind the talent is must-listen for anyone interested in the secrets behind identifying talent and unlocking potential in individuals and organizations subscribe to behind the talent now wherever you get your podcast. I'm Lindsey. Graham. And this is American. Elections wicked game. In. Nineteen seventy four and nineteen seventy-six Newt Gingrich lost his bid to become a United States congressman for Georgia's sixth district. He would later state that he never forget the lessons he learned while visiting done or the goals he had set for himself in the days following that trip. That's why he refused to let to failed elections deter him gingrich again in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, and one and started what would be a twenty year career in Congress? Newt Gingrich quickly gained a reputation as a conservative firebrand spent years building up a following in the House of Representatives. Finally in nineteen ninety four, he got his chance to truly lead with Democratic President Bill Clinton struggling to find his footing Gingrich with Texas Congressman Dick Dick Armey created the Republican's contract with America. The contract with America was a unified legislative plan, the promise smaller government lower taxes and welfare reform. The contract and Gingrich is surging popularity played an integral role in what would come to be known as the Republican Revolution. In the nineteen ninety, four midterm elections the GOP took control of the Senate from the Democrats and reclaim the house for the first time in forty years additionally Republican newcomer. George Nethercutt, beat Democratic Speaker of the House and Thirty Year incumbent Tom Foley it was the first time a sitting speaker of the House had failed to win reelection since Galicia grow in eighteen, sixty, two gingrich had resurrected the Republican Party in Congress and as the newly appointed speaker of the House, he had no intention of letting President Clinton get in his way. The nineteen ninety four midterms devastated Bill Clinton for a time. It seemed like Clinton the man they call the Comeback Kid would not recover Gingrich and Congress were determined to push their agenda forward with or without the. Democrat. In the White House many in the media covered Gingrich as though he were the true leader of the free world and some started referring to the new crop of Freshmen Republican congressman as Gingrich's children the conservative wing of the Republican. Party had I gained a foothold under President Ronald Reagan fourteen years. Later by nineteen ninety four, the conservative wing was quickly becoming the face of the party. Gingrich had one said his goal was to reshape the entire nation through the news media gingrich not only played to the twenty four hour news networks and major papers he tapped into the growing medium of conservative talk radio really. Personality Rush Limbaugh had played a key role in getting the Republican message out during the midterm elections. Limbaugh was so important to the cause that Freshman Republican congressman had made him an honorary member and presented him with a copy of Gingrich's contract with America after they were sworn in. In late, nineteen, ninety-four with the presidential contest looming Gingrich calls on rush limbaugh again. Gingrich. hoped to foment anger towards the liberal elite. Make Bill Clinton a one term president. Gingrich's media salt was so effective that Gerald Mannheim professor of political communications at George Washington University told The New York Times Gingrich's using his facility with the media to create a framework that is forcing Bill Clinton to react the Clinton can't because his power base decimated Bill Clinton is Jello newt is the mold. To Challenge Clinton Gingrich, the GOP would turn to Senate. Majority Leader Bob. Dole. But Dole was just the beginning of Clinton's troubles. You would have to overcome the fiery speaker of the House, a suicide and a sex scandal still in spite of the seemingly impossible odds in Nineteen ninety-six, Clinton would remind the GOP and the American people that he was still worthy of his old nickname. This episode fifty, three, nineteen, ninety-six, Clinton, versus Dole the Comeback Kid. In early nineteen, ninety-five Bill Clinton's prospects for reelection look bleak a year earlier Pala Jones a former Arkansas state employee had claimed that then Governor Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her in a hotel room years earlier it was not the first accusation made against. Bill. Clinton in the nineteen, ninety, two Democratic primary. Clinton had faced accusations of an affair with a woman named Jennifer flowers. He'd come away from the Jennifer flowers scandal relatively unscathed but a charge of sexual assault was. Very Different Bill Clinton's attorney Bob Bennett had done his best to get the Paula Jones case dismissed quickly when that failed in. May. Of Nineteen Ninety four Bennett had committed himself to stalling the case long enough to keep it from dogging Clinton on the campaign trail Bennett. Had I argued that a sitting president couldn't be sued in a civil case while the validity of that claim made its way through the courts Bennett turned his focus to diminishing Paula Jones credibility. In. January of Nineteen ninety-five Penthouse magazine published an article titled The Devil and Paula Jones that featured old photos of a half naked nineteen year old Paula. Jones posing suggestively with her thirty one year old boyfriend. Then members of Jones own family national television to attack her version of events with the president. Additionally, Bob, Bennett received raw footage from Shoot Paula Jones had done for a nineteen ninety four documentary called the Clinton chronicles. An investigation into the alleged criminal activities of Clinton in the movie produced by Christian Film. Company with help of Reverend Jerry Falwell Jones tells her story about her night in the hotel with Bill Clinton, the raw footage, most of which did not make the final cut shows Pala Jones giggling and her story about Clinton Leering suggestively at the camera and doing multiple takes of a well choreographed kissing scene with her husband Steve Jones. Between the PENTHOUSE article, the family attacks and the video footage Bennett believed he had enough evidence to make it so that Paula Jones would never want to appear before a jury. For a time at least Paula Jones attorneys agreed while the Paula Jones story wouldn't disappear. Bennett had done enough to keep it for being the primary focus of Clinton's upcoming campaign. But even as the Paula Jones story faded, Clinton's still faced an uphill battle. House Speaker Newt Gingrich continued to control the national narrative to hear Gingrich. Tell it Bill Clinton had nothing to do with running the country seems Clinton felt the pressure from Gingrich's attacks on April eighteenth nineteen ninety-five Clinton Heller Prime Time press conference at which he argued the president is relevant for many in the media that statement only showed how irrelevant Bill Clinton had become some pundits doomed to be a one term president. Democrat hadn't won a second term since Franklin Roosevelt in the forties and they didn't think bill. Clinton. would be the one to break the cycle. Then, on April Nineteenth nineteen ninety-five the day following the president's press conference tragedy struck at nine. Oh, two am Timothy McVeigh bombed the Alfred p Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City killing one, hundred, sixty, eight and injuring over six hundred, eighty people. It was one of the deadliest acts of domestic terrorism in United States history on April. Twenty Third Nineteen ninety-five President Bill Clinton traveled to Oklahoma City and delivered a speech at a memorial service for the victims of the bombing today our nation joins with you in Greece a we mourn with you. We share your hope that some may still survive. We thank all those who have worked. So Hero. To save lives and to solve this crime those here in Oklahoma and those who are all across this great land and many who less their own lives to come here to work hand in hand with you we pledge to do all we can to help you heal the injured to rebuild this city. And Bring Justice those who did this evil? Most viewed President Clinton's speech a moment of leadership in a difficult time many in the media said it helped heal and comfort to morning nation and a number of pundits changed their tune claiming the president was relevant after all. Indeed following his speech Oklahoma Bill Clinton started bounceback unfortunately for Clinton another scandal was still hanging over his head a bad real estate deal from the one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy s had come back to haunt him what had started as an investigation into pass financial transactions bill and Hillary Clinton and led to stories of disappearing documents, possible blackmail threats, and inquiries into the suicide of one of the president's closest friends. The media might have lost his appetite for Paula Jones, but they couldn't get enough of Whitewater. It's six PM on Friday may twenty, six, nineteen, ninety, five in the Washington DC offices of. Counsel Ken Starr One of Star Staff members a thirty year old attorneys still hard at work. Starr's office had been tasked with investigating events surrounding the Whitewater case, a land development venture connected to bill and Hillary Clinton date back to the seventies part of the young attorneys jobs to reevaluate the nineteen ninety-three suicide, a Bill Clinton's friend and deputy white. House, counsel Vince Foster. Attorneys phone rings. He answers but before he can even say, hello, the man on the other end, the line starts in. This is Chris. Rodney. Come on Chris you left me twelve messages in two days. Story, and I need to talk to you. Chris Rodney is reporter for the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune Review. He's been trying to get members of Ken. Starr. Staffed take his claims about Vince foster seriously. Ignoring the facts fall of you the DC police the Senate Banking Committee Independent Counsel Fist. All. These investigations reach the same conclusion Chris Foster committed suicide. Now now, I don't think. So listen have you heard Caroline Huber. Caroline Huber is a personal aide to the Clintons. The turn is about to snap. Of course, I've heard of Caroline Huber you idiot, but he takes a breath and stops himself. The Independent Counsel's office has recently come under fire for possible leaks to the press. So avoids commenting on anything that could be tied to the case. I'm not able to confirm whether I've heard particular individuals because that might indicate whether they were involved in the investigation. Brooke I know stars doing his job, but he's not a prosecutor and your other Guy Martinez is a left winger but he can be redeemed. left-wingers might distrust police even more than conservatives and that's good for this investigation. You need to see what's going on. This is what I was saying on the Gordon Liddy show I know how the Vince foster thing happened. It's a classic staged suicide. What facts do you have Chris because all I've heard on your message is you spouting conspiracy theories about? Vince foster. Whitewater. WACO INS. In faulk Whitewater Waco now, they're not connected to foster their red herrings. You'll see but from my article next week. Running. Hangs up and the attorney is left to laugh and wonder how close like this become a consistent part of his job. As the Whitewater case has progressed. It is attracted a growing number of conspiracy theories from right wing groups, news outlets. The young attorney doesn't think the Clintons played a role and Vince Foster's suicide or that been a vast cover but his work on this angle of the case has convinced him that his team keeps pulling all the threads connected to Whitewater. They will eventually find something that can bring bill. Clinton. down. As he leaves his office for the night he doesn't realize they're closer to cornering Clinton than they think and that he future Supreme Court Justice Brett Cana who play an integral role in the proceedings before it's all done. Ken Starr wasn't the first independent counsel to investigate the Whitewater, Development Corporation for eighteen months. Prior the original special counsel assigned to the case. Robert Fisk had looked into the investments bill and Hillary Clinton made along with their friends Jim and Susan McDougal Fisk investigated the possible real estate fraud potential perjury and Vince. Foster's nineteen ninety-three death. But when Ken Starr took over his investigation not only reopened Vince foster case but. The case expanded into claims of blackmail intimidation and threats that could possibly link back to the Clintons or the McDougals Ken Starr's chief Deputy Hickman Ewing Junior, and once said, if they're going to investigate Whitewater they needed to push over every rock and looking for the truth by early summer of nineteen ninety-five, they had already pushed over. So many rocks that some started to question whether Starr's investigation had gone beyond its purview. Still Whitewater and Vince foster stories remained a threat to the Clinton campaign some on the right believed his lock and finally run out, and this was a scandal slick willy as Clinton was sometimes called could not escape but Clinton supporters knew better than to count out the Comeback Kid as the summer of nineteen ninety five came to an end Bill Clinton. Once again, found new life with the nineties tech boom underway the burgeoning dot com bubble fuelled another rise in Clinton's popularity. But to win reelection Clinton would have to convince the American people that four more years Clinton rule was better than anything. The Republicans had offer. Candidates Senator and decorated World War Two, veteran Bob Dole had been president Gerald. Ford's running mate in the nineteen seventy six election after Ford and Dole loss to Democrats Jimmy Carter and Walter. Mondale Dole, returned to run in the GOP presidential primary in nineteen eighty. His campaign didn't last he dropped out not long after the New Hampshire primary. Dole had run for President Gin in nineteen eighty eight and had emerged as the biggest Republican primary challenger to eventual winner. George H W Bush. So by nineteen ninety-five Bob, Dole had already run for president twice was Senate Majority Leader and was also seventy two years old if he was going to run for president. Again, he knew nineteen ninety-six was likely his last chance Bob Dole had announced his candidacy on April tenth nineteen. Ninety five, the events Oklahoma City had occurred a little more than a week later. So Dole held off on actively campaigning. When he did resume his campaign schedule, he found himself confronted with a crowded GOP primary former Nixon consultant Pat Buchanan New Jersey businessman Steve Forbes Texas Senator Phil Gramm and several others but after thirty years of service to the Republican, Party, Dole believed it was his turn to get the nomination his campaign though was fight hard to get that message across. In May June of Nineteen, ninety-five Dole had gone after the lack of virtue in Hollywood and talked about how important character was for president if Clinton's position was as weak as had been early in the year, a campaign based on morals and character might have been enough but Clinton's popularity had only continued to rise and Dole realized he needed help with his campaign. So in his hour of need, he turned to the Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich Dole had never especially liked or agreed with. Later in life, you would say gingrich had a new idea, every minute and most of them were off the wall but with the presidential election on the line, the Senate majority leader believed his best hope of rallying Republicans around him was to join forces with Gingrich. In the fall of Nineteen ninety-five Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich would play the political version of a game of chicken unable to reach a compromise on the federal budget the president and the speaker of the house would inch the government closer and closer to a shutdown a massive in government services and closure federal buildings and lands in eight hundred thousand government employees. Would find themselves temporarily unemployed unwilling to give in Clinton and Gingrich would face off in private and in the media while many Republicans and Democrats held out hope for a last-minute compromise who had come down to a clash between the president and the speaker that shaped the nineteen ninety six election and marked the beginning of the end for more than one political career. Wicked game is sponsored by upstart percents tricky things. For instance, what's the decrease from I fifteen percent interest rate to twelve percent? Did you save only three percent? No you save twenty percent three divide by fifteen is twenty percent and twenty percent is a lot. Almost any reduction in the interest you pay is worth finding. So let me introduce upstart dot com who offers smarter rates to help you pay off high interest credit card debt apply for a loan online of to fifty thousand dollars and in minutes you'll get your. Smarter Rate No hit on your credit score. 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So Mr President will lie in new leak to force your hand reverend. In this case, failed meeting is a successful meeting. When you think I think Georgia's exactly right. Clinton and Gingrich have had multiple private phone calls in an attempt to negotiate the two men while political enemies respect each other's intellect and the conversations have often veered off topic into friendly territory. These calls alarmed some members of the administration who fear Clinton will give up too much to Gingrich and they've asked the president to no longer talk with him without others present. When Gingrich and members of Republican leadership arrived, the meeting is from the start. Mr President, can we talk about these ads? The Democrats are running. The claim were going to cut Medicare basically saying we're a bunch of crazy zealots, GonNa rob old ladies, and give money to the rich. Before Clinton has a chance to answer Vice President Gore intercedes Mr Speaker. You don't have clean hands. You accused the Democrats of somehow being responsible for mentally ill woman drowning her own children. Al Gore's referring to the story of Susan Smith a woman who admitted to drowning her children in a South Carolina Lake Gingrich had responded to the incident by saying her act was proof of society and the only way to fix it was devote Republican Gingrich doesn't respond. Gore's attack has put him on his heels and it emboldens president. Clinton, knew we've negotiated in good faith and we're getting nothing from IT MR president my followers would love nothing more than an ongoing showdown with the white. House. But if you agree to our seven year balanced budget plan using our numbers which have been vetted, we can avoid anymore conflict over this. I've agreed in principle to most of the Republican. Agenda new. Looking welfare reform saving Medicare balancing the budget. But your side hasn't compromised on a single issue. I'm done making concessions. Mr President the problem here is you got a gun to my head is called the veto. What you don't understand said I've got a gun to your head to. I'm. GonNa use it. Oh. Shut down the government. After the meeting and the room is clear. Clinton has rattled returns to his advisors Jesus Christ as he going to do this. Do you really think he's GonNa do it. House Minority Leader Dick. Gephardt, turns to the president. Yes. been trying to tell you this for days they're going to do this. This is what they came to Washington to do its why they've been elected. Following, the meeting both sides went into pr mode each tried to cast the other as the reason behind the failed talks in the impending shutdown on November eleventh nineteen, ninety, five, his weekly radio address Bill Clinton spoke directly to the American people regarding the situation they cut it this way my fellow Americans imagine the Republican Congress as a banker. And the United States as a family that has to go to the bank for a short term loan for a family emergency. The. Banker says that the family I'll give you the loan but only if you'll throw the grandparents and the kids out of the House I. Will speaking on behalf of the family I say, no thanks. Bill Clinton vetoed the Republican pill he said Republican proposals would cause Medicare premiums to skyrocket. He said they're massive cuts to education and environmental protections were untenable. He said he was willing to lose the presidency rather than agree to their budget. Newt. Gingrich stuck to his word. As the clock struck midnight on November fourteenth, Nineteen ninety-five the United States government shutdown and over three quarter million non-essential federal employees were furloughed Democrats and Republicans again went directly to the media to argue their side. Neither party would take responsibility for what many Americans viewed as a colossal failure of leadership. At Three PM Eastern time on the first day of the shutdown Republicans including Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole held a press conference Gingrich spoke I almost immediately attacked Clinton. He talked about cuts in Medicare which I think is just almost tragic president states so deliberately misinformed. And, frightened senior. Citizens. But because he can't win the argument. Between spending more and spending a whole lot more. He has to try to create a phony argument about fantasy cuts. The do not exist in order to frighten people about problems that aren't real. But any leverage Newt Gingrich game from the press conference disappeared on the second day of the shutdown on the morning of November Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-five Gingrich attended a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science. Monitor. Instead of sticking to the Republican talking points he had largely established he told reporters a story about a flight he taken on Air Force One earlier in November. Gingrich had joined an American delegation that flew to Israel for the funeral of slain Israeli. Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin Gingrich complained to. The reporters at the breakfast that on the flight back to the United States he expected to talk to President Clinton about the budget but he and Bob Dole had been asked to sit at the back of the plane Gingrich said this is petty but you landed at Andrews and you've been on the plane for twenty five hours. Nobody's talked to you and ask you to get off the plane by the back ramp. You just wonder where is their sense of manners sense of courtesy. Then, Gingrich made a mistake and he delivered an inadvertent gift President Clinton and the Democrats saying the Air Force One flight was part of the reason why he had sent such a tough bill to the president in regards to the budget. The backlash was immediate Democrats and journalists accused Newt Gingrich of causing a federal shutdown because of a perceived personal slight. Gingrich. Argued he was only pointing out that the president had avoided negotiating with him but the battle was already lost the day after the President The New York Daily News printed a caricature of Gingrich on the cover in it. Gingrich. was portrayed as a diaper baby holding a bottle and throwing a Tantrum beneath the headline crybaby the image stuck and soon, polls indicated almost twice as many Americans blame the shutdown on Gingrich and the Republicans then on Clinton and the Democrats. Just like that Bill Clinton's chances of re-election got a massive boost and the rise of Newt Gingrich came to an abrupt end in a rolling stone article titled Newt Gingrich Dead Man Talking William. Greider would write for some months. Afterward, the speaker literally disappeared from action was ridiculed by Democrats as Phantom Newt and seldom showed up on the House floor for debates. He turned legislative management over to other GOP leaders. After the nineteen ninety eight mid terms Newt Gingrich would resign from Congress and end his career as a politician. Senate Majority Leader and Republican primary candidate. Bob Dole had ceded control of budget negotiations with the white. House. To Newt Gingrich Dole's connection to Gingrich in the shutdown delivered a blow to the presumptive nominees, hopes of mounting competitive race in the general election and as the shutdown stretch through November, and then into December American support of Republican leadership continued to dwindle on December thirty first nineteen ninety-five Bob Dole had finally had enough. He made an address from the Senate floor at ought. We ought to end this. I mean it's gotten to the point where it's a little ridiculous as far as the senator is concerned. So we're going to keep trying and hopefully on Tuesday, if we can't do anything else be may pass whatever it takes on the Senate side. Dole's message to other Republicans was clear the fight was over and it was time to reopen government the following week on January six, nineteen ninety-six, the shutdown came to an end, and while approval ratings on both sides had certainly taken a hit Bill Clinton arguably out on top. In Nineteen ninety-two. Bill. Clinton had run as a young upstart who wanted to usher in a new generation of leadership. His campaign staff had reflected that attitude headed by James, the region Cajun Carl. The Clinton camp had been brash and ready for a campaign fight. This time around though Clinton, took a different approach working with the Republican led Congress throughout nineteen ninety-five had altered some Clinton views on governing. He tapped his longtime friend and advisor from his Arkansas. Governor Days Dick Morris to head up his campaign. To come up with a strategy, he called triangulation and its core triangulation was meant to put Clinton directly in the middle between the left and the right in order to accomplish that Clinton would have to adopt some policies that typically would have been presented and supported by his Republican opponents on the campaign trail. Clinton leaned heavily into deregulating the economy and reducing big government. But the power. Dick Morris wielded over the Clinton campaign didn't sit well with some of his colleagues on the left and it riled at least one member of Clinton's ninety, two campaign. Years later, James Carville would be asked to describe without naming names. His least favorite person in Washington carver would reply. There's nothing appealing about them at all the rule prohibits me to disclose names but his initials are Dick Morris. Despite animosity towards Morris from certain Democrats. Campaign Staffers Bill. Clinton the centrist was doing quite well by March nineteen ninety-six according to Gallup polls. Clinton already had a fourteen point lead nationally over presumptive Republican nominee, Bob. Dole. But the polls weren't Bob Dole's only concern in the spring of Nineteen ninety-six even as he started to separate himself from the Republican Primary Pack Dole was still struggling to shake off the negative effects of the shutdown and the perception that he was connected to Newt Gingrich and the so-called neo conservatives in the GOP. So in order to distance himself from the NEOCONS, focus his energy on becoming President Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole resigned from Congress after thirty years of service on June. Eleventh Nineteen ninety-six he gave his farewell speech from the Senate floor. So the Bible tells us to everything there is a season. And I think my season in the Senate. is about to come to an end. But The new season before me makes this moment. Far less the closing. Of One chapter than the opening of another And we all take pride in the past, but we all live for the future. And I agree with the Perry poet Carl Sandburg, told us. Yesterday is a wind gone down. A son. Dropped in the West. Tell you that there's nothing in the world. Only, a notion of tomorrow's. Sky Tomorrow. As the party conventions approached both campaigns kicking into high gear in addition to trailing badly in the polls Bob Dole would face perceived age problem and a very real Ross Perot problem. For Bill Clinton reelection would finally start to look like it was guaranteed. But once again, a sex scandal threaten his prospects for victory only this time the scandal wouldn't involve the president. It's Thursday August twenty second. Nineteen ninety-six in Washington DC. Clinton Campaign Manager Dick Morris is a busy man. He spends his weekdays in Washington working on the campaign and then heads back to his home in Connecticut to spend time with his wife on the weekends. With. The Democratic National Convention less than a week away. His schedule has been even more hectic than usual. He's glad to finally have a night off relax in his home away from home a suite at the Jefferson an upscale behind hotel less than a mile away from the White House and he's excited to have a special guest tonight. Well did you bring her? Yes Dick I told you I would. thirty-seven-year-old Sherry Rowlands steps into the hotel room and a very excited Yorkshire terrier trots in behind her. Moore's face lights up and he crouches down to pet the dog I've been wanting to meet her since she told me you got her now. So glad I did isn't she sweet I've even been thinking about possible names what about Bijou means jewel in French I like Dat. Roland steps further into the room and makes herself at home. So how is the White House anymore talk about life on Mars. Morris laughs rowlands loves to hear stories about his work at the White House Morris loves telling them no nothing is exhilarating as Mars this week but everything set for the feature time should come out right before the convention -gratulations day. That's exciting the president wasn't particularly pleased that time was going to have my face on the cover during the week of the convention. So I call the managing editor he said they make the president the focus of the cover, but still find a way to put me on their some of the campaign staffer pissed the writing about me at all I'm just jealous. Mind if I let her out on the balcony now go had. Sherry rowlands opens the door to the balcony steps outside Dick. Morris. Follows her, and so does the little dog once on the Balcony Morrison Rowlands kiss and he gropes her. A few minutes later, they're back inside and on the bed Dick Morris doesn't think anything of it. It's routine he and Sherry Rowlands acted out countless times. Rowlands is Dick Favorite call girl and he's seen her every week for the past year. But this time there's someone watching. Sherry has sold her story to the tabloid magazine, Star. They're photographers stationed on the roof nearby and he got the shot. The following week time feature story on Dick Morris titled The man who has Clinton's ear came out when the Clinton team arrived in Chicago head of the Democratic National Convention Morris was the talk of the town Bill Clinton. Looked unstoppable and many people believe Dick. Morris was the man who had made it happen Morris didn't disagree in the time article he was quoted as saying I was deeply honored to help this president comeback from being buried in a landslide and to make it possible for him to have a second chance at a second term. But Dick Morris. Moment of triumph wouldn't last long. By the time, the Democratic Convention kicked off on August Twenty Six nineteen ninety-five rumors of a possible expose about Morrison. A prostitute had already begun to circulate whispers of what would come to be known by many as Dick. Morris's toe-sucking scandal quickly reached the administration. What could be even worse than the affair from a political perspective was the fact that the woman was claiming Moore's shared government information with her Dick Morris denied the allegations to press secretary, Mike. McCurry. But he was clear. The story wasn't going away and with Morris than new face of the campaign people inside the administration grew concerned about how the story would reflect on the president. No one was sure if Bill Clinton could survive yet another scandal. On Wednesday August Twenty Eighth Nineteen ninety-six while Bill Clinton watched coverage of the Democratic convention from his Hotel Room members of Clinton's staff told the president something would have to be done about Dick Morris. Seems Clinton agreed. Early in the morning of August twenty ninth, the final day of the Democratic National Convention Morris resigned. A week later time would feature. Morris on the cover again magazine publisher picture of Morrison his wife with the heading after the fall. By midday of August Twenty Ninth Nineteen ninety-five Dick Morris had headed back home to Connecticut Bill Clinton staff move quickly and manage the Morris issue with a deft hand insulating the president from potential fallout they worked hard to ensure Morrison scandal didn't lead to a rehash of the Jennifer flowers scandal, the Paula Jones scandal, or even Whitewater no comment or that's a personal matter for Dick Morris were the standard responses and while the Clinton White House was managing the fallout of the Dick Morris scandal behind the scenes Bill Clinton took center stage at the United Center in Chicago to accept the Democratic presidential nomination I love and revere the rich and proud history of America. And I am determined to take our best traditions into the future But with all respect. We do not need to build a bridge to the past we need to build a bridge to the future. Bill Clinton's speech was a direct response to the acceptance speech. Bob Dole had given at the Republican National Convention in San Diego two weeks prior after former football player and Bush secretary of Housing Jack Kemp had accepted the vice presidential nomination Dole had closed out the convention in his speech. He had also talked about building a bridge his bridge didn't lead to the future. Let me be the bridge in America that only the unknowing call. Myth. Let me be the bridge to a time of tranquility, faith and confidence in action. And those who say was never so That America has not been better I say you're wrong. And I know because I was there and I have seen it and I remember. The contrast in the two speeches highlighted one of the main issues the Dole campaign had faced from the onset. If Dole were to win the election, he would be seventy three years old at inauguration images of bill. Clinton jogging through Washington DC and spending time with his teenage daughter Chelsea were commonplace at fifty. He was still viewed in political circles as a young man Dole on the other hand was seen by many as A. Remnant from another era wounds he suffered in World War Two had rendered Dole's right arm essentially unusable to avoid embarrassment. Dole. The politicians started clasping a pen in his right hand back in the early sixties he'd found that when people saw the pen, they were less likely to try and shake his disabled right hand and while images of Dole and his pen reminded voters he was a war here. They also reminded them of his age. Age wasn't Dole's only issue who was also Ross Perot, the Texas businessman who some claimed up ended the nineteen ninety-two election as an independent candidate in nineteen ninety, six Perot had entered the race as a member of the reform, party but unlike in ninety two rows ninety, six campaign had remained on the periphery. Perot's polling numbers rarely reach double digits throughout the campaign perhaps even more devastating to his ninety six run was the fact that he hadn't met the criteria laid out by the commission on presidential debates that would deem him a candidate with a realistic chance of winning and earn. Him a spot on the debate stage despite that, Perot still had a vocal group of followers and Bob Dole wanted them in his camp. The Dick Morris Scandal hadn't done anything to slow Bill Clinton's momentum and with only two weeks left before the election. Bob. Dole found himself trailing far behind in the polls. Don't believe if he could get Ross Perot to drop out of the race and endorse him it could provide a much-needed boost to his faltering campaign. So October Twenty Fourth Nineteen ninety-five Dole dispatch campaign manager, Scott Reed to try to convince Perot to drop out for row refused. In a last ditch effort to climb back into the race and prove that he was offered the job seventy, two year old Bob Dole finished his nineteen ninety six campaign with a ninety, six hour marathon for four straight days Dole traveled across the country and campaign twenty, four seven he talked to crowds at sunrise and else speaking engagements. Well, after midnight he found moments asleep on buses and short plane flights but that was it, and by the end his voice was shot, he was exhausted. The marathon was a valiant physical effort on the part of Bob Dole but had little effect. On November Fifth Nineteen ninety-six President Bill Clinton won re-election beating Bob. Dole three seventy nine to one fifty nine in the Electoral College Clinton took forty nine point two percent of the popular vote to Dole's forty-one. Ross Perot secured about nine percent of the popular vote which was half of what he earned in ninety two. Perot wasn't the only minor candidate on the ballot in ninety six Green Party nominee Ralph Nader one just over six hundred, eighty, five, thousand votes while this point seven, one percent of the popular vote barely registered Nader would return in two thousand and have a much more meaningful impact. But despite Clinton's victory, the Democrats failed to take back the house or the Senate perhaps singling that Bill Clinton was more popular than his party. Clinton's victory. Made Him the first Democrat to achieve a second term since Franklin? Delano. Roosevelt you would enter his second term on a high note but the celebration would be cut short. The Whitewater investigation had continued to expand well beyond its initial intention, and soon, it would lead Ken Starr's team to a story about a young White House intern named Monica Lewinsky. A member of Star Staff Brett Cavanaugh would put together a list of explicit questions. He believed the president should be forced to answer about Lewinsky the Comeback Kid would finally get inspired in a scandal that had sticking our. Next on American elections wicked game, the two thousand election with Bill Clinton's ten years president coming to an end vice president Al Gore takes up the mantle for the Democrats core tries to distance himself from the Clinton scandals while Republicans look to the son of a former president to get back into the White House in November of two thousand vice. President, Al Gore Texas governor. George W Bush find. Themselves embroiled in one of the most controversial presidential elections in modern history. 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Focus, I Say!

Armstrong & Getty

37:37 min | 10 months ago

Focus, I Say!

"God testing May said, you know you didn't watch? And I said, did I do a great job? God I'm the only one that can do it. He said that you shouldn't say now we're GONNA. Do it again so that was trump sounding like trump for the first time in months because he ended up catskills doing a comedy routine. In front of a live crowd in Wisconsin, where was he minnesota did several gigs across the Midwest the swing State Midwest why don't they do their convention like that? Why doesn't he have? You know whoever's going to be speakers of the night travel with him where he can have a live crowd and get that Mogo and have him do speech every night well cs dude every night. Yeah. Well I was I was about to say, well, that's not the way conventions have been in the past. No please walk over here and punch me I ever coming the fact that they're doing it all because because you have conventions. So we can what, why is this happening? There's no reason for it and then to do it online and then as traditional hill accepted the nomination on Thursday night who is this four Jain? Oh, I know. I know what? Tradition to feel like you need to uphold for some reason, I get the idea of kickoff event. Yeah but structure completely different your yeah. Just start from scratch figure out what would be the best way to structure. Yeah. Yeah. A week long session of people droning on and on has to sort a Monday and ended on a Thursday because that's the way they did it in nineteen, thirty six and you have speeches every night for a week. Please, Bernie Talking for eight minutes I've heard Bernie talking five hundred times over the last year could follow him on twitter and see him talk any time I wanted to write Exit Art Sanders That's the one I didn't listen to Bernie last night I'm not listening to Scott Baio next week when the Republicans do their Scott Baio actually. Has Slide though. That's a thing. Just to not full of Malarkey. That's that's a true fact. We saw Scott Bay Oh, at the Cleveland Convention Uncertainty did Oh. Yeah. As a moment I would say forget it. He's apparently. Simply say to my. My. Friends that your whole Hollywood. Is Stupid and we should ignore them messages a lot stronger if you don't dust off any sort of celebrity from the past thirty years that utters a Republican phrase. Yeah. Trotted out as if a significant we got celebrities to. Bail. I think the Democratic convention is ridiculous I don't know why they're doing it and I hate everything about it. I think the Republican convention could be embarrassing. I just think it could be embarrassing. Trump being showman I would've thought that he'd have been willing to blow the whole thing up and just do something different pick night Monday Wednesday whatever night doesn't make any difference you know there's nobody is going to make you received the nomination on a Thursday. You pick whatever night you think he'd get the biggest ratings. You have one event with a few speakers you go up there you give your big kickoff speech in front of a crowd wherever you want. Don't call it convention. You don't have to call it a convention shopping trip more than anybody would have been willing to blow that up. Let's see. You GotTa Have Scott Bail Mike pompeo and the would be the third. Somebody named Mayo. Probably. Not Necessarily J. Mayo. He was in the NBA for a cup of coffee. Zero. Public I don't think so. But. He's not busy. Maybe he's moderate trot him out. He's not busy. You might be very busy. You might run a string of car dealerships Mississippi as far as you know so. Let's Apropos and nothing. Let's just run this to get it on again. GimMe Clip number of fifty. Would you there shady reports said North Korean, leader Kim Jong UN has ordered citizens in his country to hand handover pet dogs so that they'd be can be killed and sold for meat. It's latest extreme measure in the country's food crisis authorities have already identified houses with dogs and are apparently rounding them up. Great, Scott he's making all sorts of excuses with communist Mumbo, jumbo about how it's Berge Wasi and all just need meet. How could they be so hungry? That they need individual dogs because that wouldn't be. At last year a day or two. Oh. It family something tells me the dogs aren't real well marbled there north. Korea on bet it's more like Jerky but yeah. They're that desperate they're they're a step from cannibalism again, Maria yet another a socialist workers paradise by. granted their fallen commies but. Questioned the degree meanwhile former CIA officers been charged with providing secrets to China over the course of a decade. In a case that a top Justice Department official describes as coming straight from a spy novel. This guy was born in Hong. Kong. I guess he moved to the United States and became a naturalized citizen. but then worked for the CIA. and was a double agent. He was given Info to China than when he left the CIA he was an F. B. I. Linguists doing the same thing. They finally busted him. They busted another guy, but they're not going to charge him because he's eighty five years old and evidently like way round the bend worse than Joe, Biden cognitively wow But Yeah Wow. The FBI says, the bureau possesses a videotape of a meeting this guy head with his contact in a Hong Kong hotel room with Chinese operative handed over substantial amounts of highly classified national defense. This is classic spying stuff did did you say why he did it? Do they know because money is at the he got screwed over by his boss in this video he gets fifty grand. So he's just that's not. Whatsoever gambling problem or a drug problem or something you wouldn't sell out your country for fifty thousand dollars. I. Don't think he'd probably considers it as country I. Just think he's a guy who, okay look these an opportunist on the you know the fact that he's working with China says something. it's an horrific and oppressive regime but you have no moral compass at all if you do that. Absolutely true. You're helping I. Got Fifty Thousand Dollars Year helping an evil. Organization. The Chinese Communist Party succeed against the United States they would enslave the entire world if they had the chance that is not an exaggeration on any level don't. Ask if they can pull it off dillon slave the entire world, right? And you're helping them out for fifty grand. That's weak man you got to execute that person. So he applied to be an FBI agent and hopes of handing over even more information after a CIA Gig. But he was told he was too old to be an agent. So you change plans to decide to become a contract linguist for the bureau in Hawaii a day before he started with the FBI in two, thousand four, he called a suspected accomplice said I'll be working for the other side. Over, the next six years he downloaded swiped and photographed sensitive information, the affidavit alleges handlers also sent him a photograph of five sources at wanted to identify. He forwarded the photo to his relative who identified two sources. So he was outing our agents in China as well leading almost certainly to the torture and death. So is he the guy responsible for all those people around it up several years back? No I don't think. So this just talks about two sources. I don't know how. Much more damage and we've decided not saying, of course we wouldn't know I've read a lot of spice stuff in my life. I'm really into it I think a lot of times. Nima money some of it. The. Women the whatever it is you're getting. You can do it for women sometimes, you're mad at your boss. But I think these guys the really good ones especially they enjoy. They enjoy fooling people. They're kind of Weirdos, which is one of the problems with the whole spy game. They're Kinda Weirdos they like. They like lying to people. Superiority a thank yeah Kim Philby, the most famous spy of all time and I've got so much about him But he just he got a kick out of being smarter than everybody else and he was smart. He was super smart but he liked D-. Phoolan his his wife is best friends everybody just lying to them. You're a sociopath. Is something wrong with you yeah. Well I. Hope they allow lock this guy up for good time. I think he just turned sixty seven year old age isn't quite what you thought. It was sixty seven years old in Hawaii Selah National Secrets. You'RE NOT GONNA BE HAWAII for long. You're going to be in a in a cage. We're going to put you in a cage till you're dead. So there. Anyway. On a lighter note Senate Intelligence Committee Report States former trump campaign manager Paul manafort worked with the Russian intelligence officer narratives that sought to undermine evidence that rush interfered in two thousand, sixteen election. This is the Republican. Controlled Senate intelligence, committee report, but of course, manafort's dirty as can be and everybody knows it. Bob talked about the trump tower meeting with Manafort Donald Junior, and jared Kushner, and that that that SA- slutskaya woman or whatever name was how she had definite. Ties to the Kremlin panel also found that the F. B. I.'s handling of Russian threats to the election were flawed and that the F. b. i. gave unjustified credence to other allegations regarding trump's Russia ties that were made in the dossier compiled by Christopher Steele quote based on an incomplete understanding of steals past reporting record meaning it was a pile of garbage anymore indictments so far charges on the. On the spying thing? No in Barr says he's not on any time line regarding the election. But a Lotta people expect it to happen before the election. So I not I'm not sure that have any effect I mean, we talked yesterday about how that guilty plea by the F., B. I. Agent on Friday got zero seconds of coverage on most of your big newscasts Friday nine zero seconds didn't even get mentioned, and in fact, this morning on NPR's we noted one of the anchor at said that trump's stated that the Obama Administration spied on his campaign there is no evidence that that happened just stated it affirmatively even though somebody plead guilty to that very thing on Friday it's just unbelievably dishonest well, couple more notes from this Senate report Acting Chairman Marco Rubio said, we can say without hesitation that the committee found absolutely no evidence that then candidate Donald trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the two thousand, sixteen election a lawyer acknowledged that what the committee did find however is very troubling included irrefutable evidence of. Russian meddling. So Oh Yeah Yeah. I wanted to talk about that the Russia that remember that report that came out a couple of weeks ago about how Russia's Russia China Iran or altering the meddle in the election. A little more on that also some stuff about the Republican convention. Next week I should throw INS is making fun of it. There are a couple of a guests slots, not Scott Bail that have been announced. That are pretty impressive. If they're handled rights going to be hard to do with the the zoom system, we're all using but right tell you about that a little bit also Brit Hume on Fox with some advice to the president on what he should be doing right now. and. Then finally, the Kid who? sneezed up a Lego that had been apparently in his nose for two years boy. That's that's a little gross. The last place you look. Let's rinse that thing off. The Armstrong and getty. Show. I have been dismissing the so-called conventions as a dumb exercise of something that used to be important. I can't even wrap my head around the stupidity of why they're continuing with a format. That was designed to please the media and the public in the system like seventy years ago. Yeah and they're sticking with the format. It's Weird I. Actually getting together and doing it live. It was an anachronism now that they're not even getting together it's just Odd Anyway, and So I don't plan to watch any but I'm I'm very interested in how Biden speech. The call the speech I guess you do on Tuesday into A. Computer screen will be presentation presentation is I think that could be awkward and weird. but anyway, next week trump is going to have among other people. He's got a handful of you know the usual suspects, people that you would expect that these sorts of things Covington Grad Nicholas. Sandman is going to get the convention trust and he'll get to speak to I would imagine are. You know are weird culture that we've got going on. So culture media buyer bias. Sure. Yeah. That could be good and the come of that had the guns out in front of their. House. They're going to speak or they're gonNA do something they're involved about. Maybe. Gun. Safety. Tips. That's my shooting exhibition. Didn't practice. Much of those. Who saw yesterday did is triggered discipline terrible man, right? That's my second sneeze of the day. Yeah. That's right. Hardy. Washington Post fact checked last night at the convention. Around fact, check as well. This fact checks pretty good. Okay. Can I bad fact checks Zach this one's actually pretty good. There's a couple of things you OUGHTA know. which you know sets up nicely to fact, check next week. So the this is this is some real stuff hit you with that next but first this Brit Hume on Fox yesterday with some advice really for trump you'll notice that the the Biden campaign would like this election to be about trump. And the president is doing nothing to make this election about anything but trump. he wades into every controversy. He comments on everything and you know for him to be out during this week, which is you know that's an old custom that you stayed quiet during the other candidates convention gone by the boards. It might be one thing if he were out with a focused message in a one that was aimed at the that he needs and the issues that they're that they are focused on but he is not doing that he's talking about everything all the time talking about rigged elections talking about the post office talking everything and my sense about it is that. He needs to change that needs to focus more intently on on key issues. And campaign more effectively as he did in the closing weeks in two thousand sixteen, we keep waiting for him to turn toward that. It hasn't happened yet from the Democrats I beatty with something every single day he's tweeting about John Casick all morning long nobody gives a crap what. He things about anything. He's a former governor of Ohio. You might not know he is or care. He spoke last night. Who Cares nobody cares nobody watched he? He had no effect on anything but trump feels like he's got to respond to it i. wish he wouldn't. I'm I'm rooting for trump to win. I don't want him to waste time on John Casick rights yeah yeah I hear you. As Chris Christie is said, many times don't swing at every pitch Mr President. goodluck trump would a swung at foul cheese pitch. But some of the fact checking from the Washington. Post. Of last night's convention. I've heard this a couple of times in the last forty, eight hours trump. Tearing down the post office when our old stirs require. What's the right depend depend thank you very much. Oldster new dependent thebenz coincidence some. Up Old people depend on accu old people depend on the post office to get their social security checks. Right and that was said last night by EVA Longoria. And I've heard a couple of different times from politicians. Out in the show Yuma saying the same thing today Chuck Schumer, said it today on running Joe all these old elderly people need to get their checks ninety nine percent of people get there. There's deposited electronically ninety nine percent while and that was last year that other percent may finally signed on by now, there might not be not one old person in the country getting her social security check through the post office. That's a dumb controversy all the way around. What's And that that's that's phony. Andrew Cuomo talking about his great response to Corona Virus Washington. Post fact checks that on how they had the most cases in the most deaths and everything like that. On there's one more hit you with when we come back from the break but. Not Major stuff just so tiresome. The whole thing is tiring. Yeah well. Hey I'll watch the biden thing just because I have do I'm mildly interested but. John Casick really anybody Mrs Casey. Strong and getty. The Armstrong and getty show. Somebody just paid three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to have a phone number that has a whole bunch eight Senate because they believe eight to lucky number. That's short of the record of five hundred and sixty thousand dollars spent for a phone number that had all sevens, eight sevens in it. which they considered to be lucky number probably, Asians. numerology thing is here's yeah. Yeah. I know you wanNA finish the fact check. I lost interest. Did you really? Wow. Okay. All right. In that case breaking news breaking news is We have. Several news the number one on a dark note in Sacramento California as we speak, the victims are giving their victim impact statements prior to the sentencing of the Monster Joseph James Dangelo Aka, the Dairy Rapist Aka, the golden state killer. Movies Books TV shows made about this guy thirteen murders more than fifty rapes over one hundred and twenty burglaries in the seventies and eighties. Monster I've listened to some of the victim impact statements and they're incredibly moving sad and sickening You know people especially people who've never been victims of crime. Don't understand you don't need to be killed. For a crime to have a devastating impact no devastating for decades like you're never the same. And so monster going to be rotten in hell and he was caught with the whole twenty three and me DNA think. Yeah. The only upside to it is the cooperation between police agencies was so terrible. That's why he got away with what he got away with for so long but it shocked the system into getting a little conscience. And really improve that. Are you following the guy in in in New York that's getting out who committed that sort of a crime not part of the whole new put New People on the board and they're trying to make up for years they think of being too hard on criminals and not letting enough people out by going overboard the other direction while on this guy who raped and murdered a couple of MOMS in front of their kids all yes. Getting out and the kids have been speaking saying. I'll get this. One kid was six years old so he completely remembers it. Yeah and haven't this even be possible. He's been going every year however many years to to do the witness witness testimony to keep the guy in jail they're getting the guy out. Are they? Yeah. Well it's the latest. Plan I heard I hope that doesn't happen. Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to think if that was the story I was talking about where if it was on a list but the governor said Oh no no, no I hope that's the case. Yeah. Yeah. Second piece of Breaking News Brandon you're GonNa earn your carrot today buddy brandon are breaking news. Steve He's a good boy. Newly never never newly found never before seen photographs have been obtained by the Daily Mail. Of Bill Clinton sitting comfortably and laughing as one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims rubs his shoulders. That's not a good picture now. Todd. Good. I'm going. To. Reverse, my field, here. And it was in two thousand and two on the Lolita express there on a humanitarian trip to Africa. Now it's Sean Tae. Davis. Who's been one of the victims sue spoken out who was recruited by his Lane Maxwell, the monster and and then raped by Epstein, she says, and I believe her she was then twenty two but still part of the entourage I guess Clinton's asleep on the flight woke up with creek and his neck. Off Honeymoon neck hurts. Well, it woke up with a creek, his neck with a hot chick nearby whatever they are on a refueling stop in a little airport in Portugal Davis said, Clinton was a complete gentleman on the trip now. Okay. saw absolutely no foul play involving him case finding. Said needs fine. Clinton asked the twenty something. Would you mind giving it a crack? Talking about his neck I think. listenable. Choice of words there. Complete Gentlemen. Charming and sweet. Sweet to Monica, too. That's true. Even gave her that book. Poultry don't you know? So. News Gal what was her name that he'd? Ten Years Jennifer Flowers yes yes. Yes. Oh yeah, he's. He's a fine war of Babes when he's not, you know allegedly raping somebody, you're groping them without their consent. But Jennifer flowers was when did that come in the election? was that an October surprise or was that earlier then? No. That was in the primaries and cost that sit down interview with bill and Hillary Right. Is there anything That made mistakes. In my marriage. What he said I remember that. Unbelievable. You mean stop a newsletter girl for a decade. Yes yeah. Thank you the stuff at the grocery store and picking a bread. Come on. Laying, with a news anchor Ed as well. Anyway. is there any scandal because? Well is there anything that could happen with JOE? Biden that would have any effect I don't think it could anymore I don't think if a sex scandal. Now, I don't think that would move vote. No no absolutely not it would. I'm trying to say he's already had an affair for ten years with this woman forty eight years ago I. don't even bother to tell me the rest of it. I don't care nobody would care. It would have to be something that would fundamentally affect. Turnout but a can't even imagine what that would be. I mean if you turned out to be a Chinese agent. Still have to think twice. The TRUMPINGTON, crowd would still would still be okay that was something was weird weird was going on with old there on that flight to Beijing within the realm of possible heirs hunter women, the realm of possibility within within the realm of lived experience thing happened to there've been surprises BEF- Yes affairs have been the biggest ones my lifetime you know Gary Hart might have been president, but they found a girlfriend and It was a big deal for bill. Clinton overcame it I I just don't think there's anything no Finley you I for George Bush which he thinks cost him a million votes. They announced that just weeks before the Election Hillary server that big announcement you know Hilary thinks that made a difference I don't know if a horn pop shows up and gives his side of the story of what actually happened at the pool that day right right or just stabs him. Joe Biden. Chains cornpone. National TV I think Shane whips him I. Think we're beyond that sort of thing being able to have an impact we might. Be Historic, crazy stuff. Mean for instance, could be portrayed as a stooge of Russia for two years. I think the most unlikely thing but nobody would do that nobody could do that in good conscience Adam Schiff you've pencil naked Satan you the the biggest hurdle for the quote unquote October surprises I don't think anybody could hold anything until a week before the elections I would just get out ahead of time. Right? You release it as you get it. Yeah. I'm kind of using that is just a catch all term for anything coming out between now and the election. Yeah. Yeah I think it'd be stupid to wait till October if you had something anyway. He's run. For President three times. I mean he was Obama's vice president for two elections if you had. If there is any big dirt out there, anybody would brought that out then. So yeah, that that. So don't well, that's going to save trump he's incoherent. I apologize for that that that could be the. August September and October surprise. Emerging. Incoherent. A leaked video tape of him sounding just. Like you know really struggle do we have any of those? I anyway. You know thing. Oh, so terrible. Saving. Walgreens Kroger Kroger. wight. Boy Right. That's enough enough of that certainly is. Oh. What do you want to end with the Seattle seahawks rookie cop trying to smuggle a woman in the team hotel? What do you think of in Arizona a they? The school district had the close school yesterday because so many teachers worse sick stage sickout. Yeah. Not The good. Oil whole school thing is rocky. Then you've got UNC Chapel, Hill shows up for a week than they shut down again, the student show up for week than they go online. Kids move back home from the dorms. Whoops. That was fun. No college this year. Kids. Oh Insanity. Thanks China. The sickout thing I don't I don't get where we the weather's not more of a public attitude of wire teachers different than home, depot, employees wire teachers different than grocery store employees. It's an essential business get up grocery stores open. We have schools open schools are essential. What's the difference? I duNNo. Teachers have more sympathy than checkout clerk's I. Guess while there's no doubt about that yeah yeah. I I consider the school way more essential than the grocery store. You have to have some grocery stores open but everything that sells food at all is open and the employees have to go to work. On the topic of it, I heard an epidemiologist talking this morning saying based on their best tests in models. At this point, the percentage of Americans who've actually gotten the did could be getting close to twenty percent. which is amazing. I just to correspondent with a fellow who found out he had it. He hadn't realized it and if we're getting close to twenty percent, we're getting close to that tipping point where it declines pretty rapidly not. Over promise and under deliver because I don't know but I, hope he's right. I wonder if any of US event it. He got unless you tested right Yeah I mean quite literally a lot of people just feel kinda crappy for Crappie all the time feel crappy five days a week as watching Rob Schneider crappy. Now, Rob Schneider's got a new netflix's standup special is a good conservative. He might speak at the that's right. Rob Reiner conservative. Scott Bail. Forget what he was talking about but he said I'm on my fifties now I, feel good. Maybe two days a month. Sounds about right. All. Right. So yeah, you feel crappy for a while when you had the corona virus that could have been any period of a week or so seriously would not stand out. No. March thirteenth and fourteenth okay you remember that. Right now no that'd be weird to find out. You had it. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be surprised my kinda mildly surprised. I know how the thing work and I get a badge and stop wearing a mask then. Badge, if you'd like one Elvis. You're mad. Okay. We're GONNA finish with some other stuff our text line four, one, five, two, nine, five, AFDC. Getting Armstrong and getty show. I would like to for the record against it. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Can we can? Just a little bit of it is it get ready to cut it off? Is there any more legitimate good stuff from Biden talking to Cardi? B.? Anything Newsworthy. I didn't actually watch it. So Sean, you saw a lot of it Ryan the Cardi B. Interview the he says he has five grandchildren when he's got seven I think it was the only Enough. Round, the air rose only off to. What? The Hell? Of his favorite, he's about his five favorite I've that I love. Yeah to. The other two I mean the family knows they're difficult. Take him relieve him. Like, the old joke you've had fifteen happy years of marriage you've been married for twenty three. So Ladies and gentlemen, we give you a political correspondent Cardi B., talking about her her her and your lady part health Some of the bleeps are references to acts and parts There are also the twenty in bombs in the course of like ninety seconds which we will not play. She has she has the number one song in the country right now called W A. New York Times said it's the raunchiest number, one song in American history which I don't think is a good thing. I don't know I'm trying to come up with a parallel from the past. There wouldn't be anything within a hundred miles of that. That actually was successful. You know there's a lot of people always bring up two live crew or something like that but those weren't hit songs. Yeah. But what if two live crew they were known though? If they had sat down and had a John Session with our own John Kerry whatever bumped around and think of right era No politician ever of done. No. No definitely not. So here's laughing sort of way. Here's Cardi B. Talking about your Ph balanced ladies. Vigorously after keep. Up. You. Know what I'm saying. Got The DAB. Dry. Because yeah, PA's banks and YOU WANNA know why? Because you born with it is because keep these dirty? Decide to throw these. Is You got to Babe Yo. You're like mustard minority. All right. That's enough of that. That's enough too much. Your address I still don't get why he did if he if you're just going to do an interview what what he? Is Trying to get the young people of color to come vote. I. Don't think it hurt him. Or how think? So either no, I don't think it. I. Don't think probably did anything but I just I'm just surprised since they're being so careful what was the danger though I I don't understand out there. He could have he could have come off as a crazy old man they're not putting their money conversation with Cardi. B.. He's GonNa come off as the crazy one. Well no harm no foul I guess. He is his. Daughter. Who introduced hey I want you to meet my daughter. She's a big fan of your what fifty year old woman is listening to Cardi B.'s filth. It's the matter with her. You got you got hunter doing thirty deals with dictators. Is Is, is daughter's got arrested development in terms of musical taste. This isn't a stunning indictment. Blow the late Bo. They say was a terrific man believe. You're a loser actually was born in eighty one, my age. Okay. Later in life. So it came out yesterday that. Jill. Biden. That's Joe Biden's current wife. Her ex husband says that she and Joe were having an affair when he was still married. I don't know if that was supposed to be a big deal or not. I, don't know why he came out now I don't know if he's still mad about that or Republican or what the story is. I just don't know know I don't care either. I'm not saying I don't care about the fidelity I. Just don't care about Joe Biden. was whether he was if the years ago when you just hookers. We've now entered final thoughts with your host Jack Armstrong in June getting. Here's your host in front of thoughts. Joe Getty final from everybody on the crew would put in Nice wrapping on the program there he is pressing the buttons in the Control Room Michelangelo Michael Guys, it's been about a week now since I've I've been living my carbs and sugar tremendously and you know what? I'm feeling a lot better having a lot more energy. Balance. Cardi. B.'s advice for you. Positive Sean a final thought to share. Yes. In in my town USA, we've been experiencing a bit of a of a heatwave and I have a rediscovered the joy of just jump in the shower when it's cold. A little cold water shower that a little cheap cool down trick from your old pal positive sean invigorate. You gotTa pull at your current. At the apartment. Yeah. But it's it's not open to the. Kazakh the. For Goodness Sakes Jack Funnels. Ought to share trying to come up with on the fly the the lineup next week for the Republicans because I've seen the list and there's some kind of funny stuff in there. who they're going to have at the convention, but they also announced some pretty good ones that I think could you know make mark politically we'll see my final thought was when we were at the convention Cleveland, our top moment was starting lock her up chant. Is there a similar slogan chance. Catchphrase, buzzword. Honey get a chance going when you're watching Zun oil cans but Maga-. I guess Maga's still for supporters. saw a bunch of people at the airport rally he did in. We're wasn't one of the Midwestern states wherein Maga- face masks and trump facemasks. Again, that's a thing although there are actually three quarters of the people had no masks at all. Going to be watching some of the zoom call tonight. No. WHO's a speaking? Oh Chuck Schumer Great Scott. I committed unspeakable crime I would expect to be sentenced to listening to church you. Getting, wrapping up another grueling for our work. So many people thanks a little time good Armstrong and getty dot com podcast or downloadable right there. We will see tomorrow God bless America. Never the good time. I. Did not say sat here for over three hour and fifteen minutes. If you wish to leave, you may let me just say how very very dismaying and disappointing. Good and just change the channel from this mesmerizing horror shows. Then we heard words over for me. So you're dismissed is that correct? Rephrase what you're doing. Garlic I want to watch television I'm sorry the wind is blowing. I know a lot about win Armstrong and getty.

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Full Episode: Tuesday, September 17, 2019

Nightline

19:23 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Tuesday, September 17, 2019

"Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you. Connect with your professional counselor counselor in a private online environment scheduled secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month by going to better better help dot com slash nightline cover American politics with all of its east innocent flavor without having a love of this country. I have provided service by informing. You have a front seat to history. You do get used to it and you should because it is a very special thing to to being able to be in the room for nearly half a century. We're following two major stories tonight. Colleague cokie Roberts from the storied capital Rotunda deadline came and and Saddam Hussein state to the frenetic convention floor as you say we've seen an awful lot of years of the women all the way to the hallowed halls of the Vatican the pope is being buried now and then it is on to the next papacy cokie. Roberts Roberts covered it. All cokie was Living History Kerr gift was the gift of a of a great mind matched with a good person and that it's very weird. She was perhaps a mother to all of us but she also dared us to tell our stories but to also so be present. She was a force of nature real really force of nature. She's funny whip smart and she was A. There's no such thing as fake news. It's either news urged fake. There are no alternative facts facts are they're not journalism may have been her calling but politics was cookies life passion. President Clinton's problems with Jennifer flowers. Were not just her word. It was tape recordings as adept at disarming politicians. Titians as she was at calling them out. What is your definition of womanizing Mukarram and know it when they see it senator but often it was Kochi's humanity that resonated needed arguing moments conventions and all of that elections all of that true but also as you well know the individual digital interview with someone who is a mom in shopping malls can tell you more about what's going on in the world and how people feel about added than any of those grand things combined here in her final appearance on this week the show she wants anchored her signature righteous indignation listen on full display. It's not mental illness that causes nine people to die in thirty seconds. It's a high gauge old-age weapons. She helped other women so she was interested. In civil rights in the environment cokie was interested in helping people as an award-winning reporter and author the devoted wife and hard-charging working. Mom blazed her way through an industry. Where women were just breaking through women are concerned certain about when they go to the postal vote as economic issues more than anything else and and when women think about economic issues they tend to think about them? Differently for men was we. I discovered that cokie Roberts from smarter than the rest of us. It was just great. We only had to accept it. We wanted to accept her providing the indispensable female perspective in an industry that was dominated by men cokie was my Kinda bother. She did not pretend that everything is wonderful and instagram perfect. She would tell you about tough times. cokie made sure that you weren't beating up on yourself. She was deeply beloved by her. ABC colleagues not just for what she represented but for her unfailing kindness cokie office is a couple of doors down for mine but I remember so many times going in that office. If you had a particularly rough day at work or or even at home and there was something about just walking in there and seeing that incredible incredible credible smile that coke had or that beautiful laugh and you just felt better you knew cokie been there before her name was a mouthful Mary Mary Martha Corinne Morrison Claiborne Boggs Roberts but the world knew her as cokie. Please call me cokie a nickname from when her brother couldn't say Korean and stuck with her through her life her family in a statement saying that her career took her to the heights of her profession but her values put family and relationships of all else today four presidents the speaker of the House and legions of politicians from both sides of the aisle all expressing their condolences extolling extolling the woman so many powerful people called friend born in Louisiana nineteen forty-three cokie. Roberts was the daughter of longtime. US Representatives Indus Hale and Lindy boggs her father. The House majority leader died in a plane crash her mother than elected to his seat collectively. The boggs represented New Orleans for forty six years the other women who were in Washington when I was growing up we watched everything we watch the run the political conventions campaigns through her parents she I enjoyed that front row seat to history politics as a young girl she consider bitter joining the family business but in college her interest in journalism sparked by her future husband Steve Roberts but her love and close ties to Washington were never far behind President Lyndon Johnson famously even attending her wedding in one thousand nine hundred sixty six she began working as an anchor in Washington at twenty one and shortly after headed to New York to work as a reporter it was essentially reporting then writing very brief little stories and I loved opted landing at National Public Radio as a political commentator. ABC News but in nineteen in eighty eight. She found her home here. The American people don't want this to go on but he can't do and I didn't inhale and I didn't you know I didn't I wasn't ever draft after working as a contributor on this week. Something we've talked about a lot on this program that people are so agitated and angry and ready to take arms cookies razor sharp mind matched only by her warmth which helped put guests at ease three cameras here. You must be a very important. I always that infectious smile perfume already laugh for Sassy sense of humor. Thank you great laugh and a wonderful twinkle in her eyes when she laughed so it was infectious. This week would become her home. Co anchoring the show with Sam Donaldson from nine hundred ninety six to two thousand two now I think her greatest contribution other than as a great Pelota a political reporter and that she brought so many young women into empowerment into the place. They should should have been to begin with and she's had a special relationship with our show over the years. This is nightline substituting for Ted Koppel and reporting from Washington cokie. Roberts incredibly miracles keep happening guest hosting back in nineteen ninety nine and becoming a mentor and maternal figure to producers and anchors alike cokie help help make nightline with Ted Koppel. Ted was the anchor but he frequently relied on her reporting from Congress and I remember when when I became I anchor of nightline one of the three co anchors nightline after Ted left I want. I talked to her about it and she said as she would. You'll do fine just remember. It's not ted show anymore. It's yours do it your way and you'll be good she was a staple of ABC's powerhouse political coverage interviewing reviewing presidents politicians and first lady's other area advice that you could give his own talking about issues and of course the one that's been so touchy and the Republican Party has been the issue of abortion where you said at one point. Just get it out of that platform. I believe that I I believe it's it's a I believe in states' rights and I don't think it should be in the national platform. Nothing president can do about it anyway in all honesty cokie embodying the twin ideals of journalistic integrity and female empowerment. I hate to say John. It's a female. Oh sing women do work together a lot much more so than their husbands much more so than men she would write several New York Times bestsellers recounting the remarkable and often untold contributions of women in American history. When I started out in the world of work it was illegal for women to become generals or admirals so there's a huge change in the years that I've been plowing this term coke received countless awards cited as one of the fifty greatest women in the history broadcasting holding more than thirty honorary degrees. You must look at the institutions of government politics business the academy journalism and hold them accountable to the people they are supposed to serve despite a two thousand to diagnosis of Breast Cancer Cokie kept working inspiring those of US privileged enough to work by her side she made each and every one of her fellow colleagues. League's better by always striving and reminding us that empathy is a cornerstone of journalism cokie Roberts. Loving wife devoted mother mother to doting grandmother of six a shining example for us all and yet for all her triumphs. This is how she wanted to be remembered and there's no question to me what she would want to be remembered as as a great mom great wife and and a Greek mother and then a great daughter by far the best of all I have become a grandmother caretaking. That's the common thread that runs through these stories no matter what else women are doing. We are also mothering taking care of somebody or something and for the most part doing joyously. We've been doing awfully well for a very long time. What if you can make your work take less less work you can with capterra compare thousands of software options read reviews and instantly narrow your favorites. You'll have more time in no time. Find the right software right now at CAPTERRA DOT com slash nightline with over one thousand reviews of products from real software users discover everything. You need to make an informed decision. 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I felt I going on the air and wig I it looked really goofy and and election night two thousand and two it was my best. It was the human hair wig not synthetically and I thought it just awful so I don't know it's hard her bravery inspiring others like this up and coming TV writer Jessica quarter at the time. I don't remember remember feeling very brave but I remember cokie continually telling me that I was very brave. Jessica's mother had just died from ovarian cancer in two thousand four or Jessica took a then groundbreaking genetic test and found out she was positive for the bracket gene which put her at extremely high odds to one day. Get cancer herself. One of my very best friends lies. Roberts asked if I wanted to speak to her mother-in-law I knew she was incredibly close to her mother-in-law. I also knew do that. Her mother-in-law was cokie. Roberts and I absolutely was enamored by cokie. I was intimidated by cokie. He I was a huge fan of Kochi's tonight. The story of the young woman who learns more cheese inherited from her mother a year later Jessica decided to tell the world sharing her story with cokie right here on a special edition of Nightline. Just tell me the story of deciding to get tested for the breast cancer gene. My mother had had breast cancer which she beat that interview with cokie. Roberts on nightline absolutely changed my life. It was a turning point in my life Jessica discussing the new science that she hoped would help save her life and he said yes. It's very bad it means you will most likely get cancer at some the point in your life and it's a very good thing you took this test and after you got that news we should say here. I was one of the people you contacted because are you are a very good friend of my daughter-in-law in my son's wedding and and you knew that I had breast cancer yes Jessica excuses it was cookies warms that made it possible for her to talk about something so intimate so painful I remember looking into coke as is and feeling a sense sense of calm and feeling that I was going to be taken care of and that I was with someone who cared about me personally as well as cared about it being the best journalists that she could be and my nerves fell away once I connected with coke and I was grounded cokie even revealing her personal struggle and I said to you that one of the options was to get breast cancer and treat it every day yea. They're in their more treatment options more therapies available for breast cancer. Many of us are walking around having had Bros cancer and you said that was just not an option for you. Well I spoke to many oncologists around the country. One of whom was your doctor and I think it was she who told me it. It really is a personal choice to me. Breast cancer is the worst thing in the world. I came to the decision that I I would do anything I needed to do to prevent it. In the first place. Jessica says the interview and the example cokie set helped put her on a path towards advocacy and leadership all these years later a mother herself. The Way cokie treats her son and her daughter and her grandchildren. That's the kind of mother and grandmother that I aspire to be throughout her storied career. cokie was known for always putting family first. My a favorite quote from Kochi is when she was asked about her breast cancer scare in two thousand two when she was I diagnosed with breast cancer and someone asked if it changed her perspective on life she said No. I've always had the same perspective on life family. I that was a message. She tried to make sure we all heard cokie and her husband. Steve recently celebrated their fifty third wedding bursary their interfaith marriage blending his Jewish and her Catholic faith seamlessly wedding pictures from under the hoop of they're getting to that point point was not easy but the hardest part of getting Steve to propose to me so I wasn't bad at all cokie Roberts with somebody who really walked the walk walk of the Gospels. You talk to people all kinds of people about her kindness. The acts of kindness that came naturally to her the discipline of of kindness in a way genuine kindness was her homework part of her legacy her fight against breast cancer from which we now know she died and yet her brilliant career seems merely a backdrop to her. Life's true mission. How would you like to be remembered. I'd like to be remembered as a mother and a wife and friend people that I love very very much and finally tonight long before I was married or had kids. I had the great good fortune of being one of Kochi steel producers back in Nineteen ninety-two on work life balance. She once told me you can have it all ju Ju but maybe not all at the same time I think about her advice often and dispense it cokie of course was no stranger to loss. She knew how precious life was never needed reminding tonight we will all miss her wisdom and her compassion good night. America growing up here dealing with everything that's going on now. I'm processed house. Even Standing Bardstown Kentucky is a small town in the heart of the bluegrass state but Bardstown Kentucky. You also has secrets five unsolved murders over four years rumors and theories and still no one is behind bars auction parts town a new podcast from volt studios. It's been almost six years. There's still not a lot of answers. Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you. 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Biden His Time

Slate's The Gist

31:58 min | 11 months ago

Biden His Time

"The following program may contain explicit language. It's Tuesday July. Fourteenth Twenty Twenty from slated the gist. I Mike PESCA. If you can't end racism, you can end using words that are racist. See The Washington Redskins, but also perhaps words that might remind someone else that racism exists so the Burlington Board of chosen free holders in New Jersey will henceforth be the Burlington board of County Commissioners, the state's governor, and the Senate President leader of the Assembly. They favor the change. It's also applauded among those who currently hold the freeholder titled. The BURLINGTON boards one African American member Felicia Hopson said. said in a news release quote, continuing our work to end systemic racism must be everyone's objective and eliminating an antiquated title from an era when slavery and racism was tolerated is one step. We can take right away. Retiring this relic title from a period of slavery is the right thing to do. Oh I did not know that freeholder was a reference to slavery and I did not know that because it is not here is the description of what a freeholder is. I took this from the Mercer County New Jersey Board a free holders. The title freeholder is derived from an old English term used to refer to a person who owned an estate of land free of debt. The title was adopted in New Jersey during the colonial period, when only those who owned estate free of debt were eligible to participate in elections or hold public office, but it's also note that New Jersey's governor. Phil Murphy along with other high state officials. Put out a press release saying. Saying, it's time for New Jersey to phase out the term freeholder from our public discourse, a term coined when only white male land owners could hold public office well. Yes, that's true, but you know what else falls under. The category of this is a term for an holder that goes back to a time when only white male landowners could hold office titles like President Senator Congressman and Governor Governor Murphy also Murphy Probably. headlock if you WANNA, end the word because some modern people might associated with an era of different values worse values than your own sure. Go ahead plus I bet most free holders, the actual free holders, or who will be the council members. They aren't actually free of debt. What with revolving credit and teaser rate? APR's! Mortgages so it's probably accurate to call them free holders, but while we're at it. Maybe we can change the title of controller, because who among us really is in control also. And there and they think it's the comptroller. It's not, but it is true that fewer of us. troll alone control also to be chopped. How `Bout Selectmen? Some places have selectmen kind of elitist and Alderman. Do you know the derivation of Alderman is old English outdoor man, originally in the general sense, a man of high mark from outdoor chief or patriarch plus man, so a man man and wait. Did you also know that in Chicago? The aldermen are elected from wards, and what's award a minor who has been legally placed? Placed under the care of a guardian, so it's a patriarch man who also controls a child, so it's not just patriarchal or patriarch ish. It is patriarch to the Power Patriarch. It has got to go now to free holders of Burlington and elsewhere. In New Jersey are becoming the council members, which is really bland instead of free holders they could have gone with the Burlington freeloaders or the Burlington Cup holders or the Burlington. As in the Houston Association of Real, tours will no longer use the term master to describe primary bedroom, and then the Burlington bureau holders could say. You think that's good change. Hold my beer. You know we do have a lot of fun with these things. Don't wait. But what I sincerely do think is that if the word freeholder really does cause a fence or discomfort upon hearing it, if it sincerely does and everyone on the board wants to change it at no expense, which is what they say, it won't cost anything. Go ahead. Why not? Because, we should all acknowledge that change is always hard, but let's not forget. It's often also meaningless. On the show today Joe, Biden or the lack of Biden in the Spiel, but noticeably not in the Spiel we break. Today's the day we break the Biden drought, but first curtis sitting fell does not only a great author. She's an author with a bit of a niche. At times, she has written now. Two novels from the perspective Imagine Perspective of a famous American political spouse American. Wife was about Laura Bush her new book. Rodham is about Dennis Rodman notes about Hillary Rodham Clinton only in this telling she never becomes Clinton Sorry Chelsea. Your canceled Curtis sitting felt up next. What's going to say about you? Listen to PODCASTS, don't you? Yes, I know that about you so many podcasts that you always wanted to listen to our on luminary, my personal favorite. Facts fiasco. The original host of slow slow-burn takes his magic to fiasco on luminary APP. I, actually downloaded. The Luminary APP works very well tells me quite efficiently when all the podcasts already, not just luminary only podcasts all the podcasts in the world. One new podcast that luminary is doing this year is called murder on the towpath. It is a true crime. Miniseries is hosted by Soledad O'Brien. It's about the nineteen sixty four murder of Mary pincher Meyer. Georgetown it was one of these trial of the centuries, and it became something of a time capsule of all the racial tension scandal distrust of the nineteen sixties. It is an unresolved case. Listen to murder on the towpath only on luminary luminary dot link slash towpath and get a seven day free trial of. Original podcasts. That's luminary dot link slash towpath. Cancel anytime terms apply. Rodham is the new book by Curtis Sit and failed. It is the story of Hillary Rodham Not Clinton. She does not marry Bill Clinton and I don't want to give too much weight, but it traces the life of Hillary Rodham. What happens when she comes close I mean so close as she describes it in the book, but then drives away from Arkansas, her heartbroken, but her life in front of her and our life in front of us. It's so fascinating so joyful so interesting curtis sit and fell this here. Congratulations really good, really good buck I, liked it a lot. So I'm going to skip to page one sixty eight and I think this is a key. Observation and I don't know if it's the key observation, but it's one of the reasons why I said to myself I get it i. get the need or the drive to write this book, and this is when she has left the bill, and we'll fill in as many of the details you're comfortable with, but she said I understood suddenly that I was freed from deciding what I believe this. This was about a Clinton accuser. If I was no longer his girlfriend and never his wife I was not responsible for his behavior, not even by extension. This absolution was my reward for losing him in the years to come. It sometimes seemed like the only reward I just think that's so key, and that idea must have been driving you as you were thinking about and executing the book. I would say think that there were probably like. I don't know five or six things driving me indefinitely without question. That was one of them like just the question of. You know how much! Are Meaning, you know. Americans, understanding or impression of Hillary is actually based on bill or based on her proximity to bill or his behavior, and how we think she should have responded. Our impression of her. Both fair and unfair I mean there are unfair impressions that we put upon her. But if she is there during the sixty minutes interview, excusing him for the Jennifer flowers unnamed, but clearly described in the book that really does mean something, and is not just a reflection upon her you can. There are a legitimate judgments to be made about that I agree I agree, although the some of the interesting things to me are the interesting questions are? Like in some cases certainly she's complicit in in like you know the kind of public merging and I I think when he was running in ninety one ninety two I. Think there was a brief time when they would say like two for the price of one. But It's really hard to quantify like how how much is is she complicit? I mean it's it's like literally impossible to say yes, and if you do I mean and this is touched on in the book and build the bill, character and the Hillary character both say it, but if you are involved in a marriage, just that very fact makes you a little complicit, but then there are choices. Choices that you could make within the marriage within the unit especially if the marriage is driving towards a bigger goal that you see as a worthy goal like getting Bill Clinton elect a president and his policies enacted, it's a morass, but it's an interesting one, an legitimate one and I could see it's obviously great fodder for fiction, or did some version of fiction that you're doing here. It's so funny because I feel like. It's always like interesting. Morass is almost like a good requirement for a novel yeah, Yeah. So. Of the many things that drove you to it. Let's go through. Some of them must be just the character aspect of it. You see the Hillary Clinton Hillary Rodham Clinton the real person. We evolve thought about her, and contemplated her, and contemplated what she means a simple, but also what she really quote unquote really must be like as a person, and so it must have been interesting to get in there and try to write her as a character as prescribed by what we know of her public persona, and then all the research that you've done about the private persona. How'd you go about executing that? So well one thing I should say I have never met her in real life like I've heard her speak publicly but I've never I've never met her I've never you know? Shaken or shuker hand out of wanting to. Know that I've never done either what? I've never braced so I don't think it's not like there was a moment when I said to myself. You know I I WANNA. Write a novel about Hillary Clinton. You know and like you know. These are points when approval. Of backed into it a little bit more and. In some ways it started in early, two, thousand, sixteen, well before the election, when an editor at esquire magazine reached out and asked if I would like to write a short story from Hillary's perspective as she was accepting the Democratic nomination for president, so link is very specific. You can say yes, or you can say no, and I am in the past, because I wrote a two thousand, eight novel called American, White, which is a fictional retailing of the life. Life of Laura Bush I would occasionally be invited to write essays about Hillary. Including In two, thousand, fifteen, two, thousand sixteen, and I would declined because I didn't feel like had anything fresh or original to say about like who Hillary is or what Hillary meads and when I accepted this short story assignment, which is actually kind of on the fence about it, but then I decided yes I will do it in. It flipped the question so instead of asking what? Do Americans think of Hillary it was. What does Hillary think of Americans and I felt like I had tons about that like to my own surprise So I wrote that story. It was sort of historically straightforward like it actually doesn't ever name her, but it's written in the first person sort of describes. Little details allude to lay her speech in Beijing, or you know her time as secretary of state, and then after the two thousand sixteen election, and I had I had sort of realized. I think more than once. Some some realization for me are like not not a one time thing but I had realized that school children who knew bill was running or starting new that Hillary Skis was was running for president in two thousand sixteen. In many cases literally didn't know that Bill Clinton existed, and so I thought like would the two thousand sixteen election have turned out differently if adults didn't see bill and Hillary a so connected. Right, but I think you're very fair about that. In that I mean it's quite clear and obvious that Hillary's connection to bill in real life gave her certain advantages gave certain prominence put her on the stage, and may be thrust into the spotlight, and you know exposed that she had a lot of skills. So what you have to do, you decide to give way where you have to do is plausibly construct how she would have essentially achieve that sands bill. I mean something that's interesting to me, is if you? You know. Read various books. In so I was born in Nineteen, seventy, five I wasn't even alive than let alone I. Don't know the Clintons personally, but it seems like in the early seventies among people who knew them it seems like they were perceived as equally talented and promising in ambitious, and it wasn't like. You know bill is GonNa be a star, and and like. Isn't it lovely that he found a companion it was they were two stars, and so I think I do feel. Like seven EST irritation when when people say. Well, she never would have become senator. She never would have been in a position to run for president if she weren't married to him. Like I feel like the people who say that tend not to be aware of the literal facts of her biography. That's true, but I don't know if I want to be the voice of a feminist irritant. I would I would just say that. The people who knew them in circles like Yale Law School. It was pretty apparent what Hillary's. Which is she was as smart a person as there were there was, and maybe that sort of person would value each of them equally because he had a certain set of skills, and then she did, but for just the Leh voter or getting elected I think that bill set of skills which are this animal magnetism and working a room and almost. Pathological extroversion, those do map onto political success, especially in one thousand, nine, hundred to more than Hillary set of skills did yeah I. Can see that I don't again. It's it's so we do. See them as so linked at this point like. Multiple ways to be a politician in multiple identities have yes, he's extremely well suited in a certain way. To. It's like it's if the question is. Is He more charismatic? especially with a big crowd than she is I think the answer is indisputably. Yes, but if that's not the question than actually, maybe she is equally skilled politician in a completely different way, and it's you know if she's freed any comparison to him. She's incredibly hard worker. You know she's a very good listener. She's always prepared like How no I think! Maybe some of our assessment of how talented she is as a politician, says more about gender than about. Lake. Even about charisma or or about? Yet like I mean I think I think that sometimes. We have a sort of. Narrow definition. Of? A narrative vision of who who the quintessential politician is. Right no I think that's true but I again. I'll be the voice. The feminist irritant we do and we shouldn't, but if the baseline is not what makes a successful politician lawmaker someone who could navigate political reality, but if the if what we're doing is trying to assess who will be appealing to the American electorate to be president. I think that we're. Judging it against baseline of who has been, and that has been men, and that has been men with. Big? For better or worse yet, yeah I, mean I feel like what you're saying is factually indisputable unlike the whole like who would I like to have a beer with like the question is not. Is that an appropriate? You know way of considering the question. It's more like, is it? Is it the question that people ask themselves. It's perfect. It's so perfectly inappropriate. Given that the guy who won that. In the last two times, a Republican was elected literally was a non drinker. Pushing trump. On the beer with the funny thing is personally hillary like. In joys a cocktail like the neo day and she and she puts down vodka. Yeah Yeah. Amy, chose because road apiece times. How if if elected Hillary you know would be sort of one of the the boozier presidents in in recent memory. So, what are the rules that you adapt when your not just creating a character, but embodying a character who's also a real person, sure a fictionalized person, but I would assume that you'd have some parameters or some I guess rules of what would be an ethical thing to do with this person, and what would be an unethical thing considering it as a real person. Yeah, that's a good question, so. In some ways. Like my ethical conversation with myself comes at the beginning. Where can people have asked me a lot like? Would you or will you write about? Melania, trump in the answer like would I write fiction about her from her point of view, and the answer is definitely not, and the reason is. That I. Don't admire or respect her, and so I wouldn't be writing from a place of compassion, and it would be much more likely to be satire. This is not something someone else can can kind of prove in? It's not listening. I can prove, but I know that I admire Hillary I don't see his perfect, but I do definitely admire her and I know that I'm not trying to embarrass her by writing this book and so. I mean in the act of writing. Especially writing first drafts I. Don't think that I put that many restrictions on myself like I did have to think okay. Am I GONNA? Use Real names and I made the decision that I would. And I did I did have a few conversations with myself with other people like I include sex scenes like. Is there a reason to and I thought like? Yes, there is a reason to they're kind of. Almost like plot reasons to, or it's like it's like why. Right or read a novel if it doesn't include the richness of the whole human experience like vividness, and we're trying hundred understand hillary and part of it is just a literal physical attraction to build not to delve into the nature that physical attraction robs reader some understanding of the character. Yeah, I think. I feel that I could have written a novel. That would like you know. Likely result in my Navy Meeting Hillary. Getting a thank you. Note from her and visits. Not that novel like this is. It's a novel for more than it's like a you know, love, letter, or like a an expression of appreciation to Hillary. Even though again I do do like her and I do appreciate her and respect her, but it's like. This has to be a novel. I, or no one's GonNa Wanna read it in a in a weird way I, think the reader has to sense that my loyalty is to the book and not the real. Hillary, the trying to make the best juiciest. Complicated Book? I can and not trying to like you know say like as a democratic women. I would like to you know pay like. My respect and tomorrow Curtis Sitting Feld we'll be back and just a little tease about what we're gonNA talk about why. This book Rodham is like the reboot of the watchman. Curtis was confused to Kunin for that. Is there something that interferes with your happiness, or as preventing you from achieving your goals better help, we'll assess your needs and match you with your own licensed professional therapist. Your could connect in a safe and private online environment, which is to say all the environments these days, so you're probably used to it, but it is quite convenient, and you can start communicating with therapists, and under twenty four hours center message to a counselor anytime, and you'll get a timeline thoughtful response. or You could just. Every week video a phone session. 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This the gist is a news program also personally on a personal level I, really like politics, but I also feel the need to be relevant to you the audience, and not to bore you especially not to bore myself with this in mind I will now announce that the last time I mentioned the name Joe Biden on this new show. That likes to talk about politics. The last time the words Joe Biden were heard was guest gas. June thirtieth. Gone half a month the month of July in an election year. Never even mentioning the Democratic candidate who by every Poland forecast is to be the likely winner, and therefore we'll be the man to end the worst presidency of all time. No offense Andrew Johnson all due respect for your terrible presidency all due respect. And for not mentioning Joe Biden. I've done some soul searching and I. Fault Myself Not a Whit and this show the gist is an unusual we at the just a survey of a bunch of different cable shows new shows and found out for instance that for the three days after the July Fourth Weekend Anderson Cooper. Did Not. Mention Joe Biden at all. He did get Joe. Biden wants yesterday in his hour long newscast with seven or eight different segments once. Face. The Nation talked Joe Biden a bit this week, but none it all last week. Jake tappers hour-long daily CNN show mentioned Joe Biden twice on Friday the most recent Friday and it was in the context of Donald Trump mocking joe. Biden's mental acuity while by the way bragging about his own powerful cognition tests, and then before that Jake tapper did not mention Joe Biden for over a week of tappers last six shows. The Democratic nominee for president was only mentioned in one program. I cannot fault the news judgment personally speaking, I have I believe never failed to bring you news? That is more relevant or more interesting than anything about Joe. Biden, today Joe Biden unveiled an environmental plan. That's good seems very good. Glad he announced the plan. It's better than not having the plan, not announcing the plan and it's about a billion times better than any plan. Such as it is, that comes from the trump administration. The advisory from the Biden campaign was that Joe Biden is to address the nation well. Yes, if the nation for some reason, all decided to get on one particular zoom meeting I. Guess He addressed the. The Nation, it's Kinda crazy, but in a way it's Actually v Saint Response to that, which is truly crazy, because all donald trump does demand your attention, and he does that successfully, and then upon getting our attention, he repels and disgusts everyone who isn't already on board, but also a lot of the people that are a minority of Americans supported him last time he's turned some of them off and gain no one in the process. It seems like a terrible tactic seems like a bad tactic in service of bad strategy to enact terrible policies, but not really even to enact the policies just to kind of proud alon about him. I suppose someone out. There might be genuinely curious about something that Joe. Biden says if say that person worked at a think, tank or relative Brad scale, but really Joe Biden. All you need to know about him is he is now the acceptable non lunatic? You could vote for for president. The vast majority of voters don't really need much more than that. And if you WANNA make the argument that you know, it's really unfair that Biden is escaping scrutiny I can't disagree but who's to blame for the very notion of escaping scrutiny, the very idea that ideas or critical thought or scrutiny should be something that we cherish. It is the White House. It is Donald Trump because in the last few weeks trump vowed to leave the world. Health Organization, prosecute statute top Lers de fund the schools right, but if you listen to the people, even the people who should be most threatened by these actions, activists who spend their lives I. Don't know funding the World Health Organization or fighting for school funding. Even those activists early whatever we've heard this one before. Yeah Public Health Advocates I. Leaving the WHO, that'd be bad well. We'll believe it when it happens. Part of health mental health and you know you gotTA. Do a little triage on that, which is possible that which is probable, and that which is mostly imaginary. Let's take a threat to Yank funding for schools here was betsy devos posturing for Chris Wallace on Fox yesterday? If schools aren't going to reopen and not fulfil that promise, they shouldn't get the funds. Then give it to the families to decide to go to a school with. That is going to meet that promise you can't do that I, know you? Guys. and. I know you support vouchers, and that's and that's a reasonable argument, but you can't do that unilaterally. You have to do that through Congress. Well. We're looking at all the options. Hey, look I'm looking at the option of playing to guard for the Milwaukee Bucks, but it ain't going to happen. Trump also made this decree about Daca I'm going to be over the next few weeks. Signing an immigration bill that a lot of people don't know about it. You have breaking news among the people who didn't know about it. Are Any members of Congress because no one's considering an immigration bill in Congress? So listen to the Talamante reporter who he's talking to TRY TO HELP THEM OUT MR? President I don't think you mean a bill signing. Big Immigration Bill is an executive order. I'm going to do a big executive order. I have the power to do it as president and I'm going to make doc part of it, but we put it in. and. We're probably going to be taking it out. We're working out the legal complexities right now, but I'm going to be signing a very major immigration. Bill is an executive order. It's incomprehensible. It's not true it's muddled. It really is pointless to even pay attention to. It's lunacy. It's not worth anyone's time, and so we give Biden no time because to pretend there is a debate. Or a real choice to be had. It's kind of a farce. In the upcoming days and weeks, we will definitely cover Joe Biden more than we have. It's hard. Cover less will cover. Both candidates more will probably contrast them and we'll want to do it. But what we're really at right now is the time like so much else in these times a time without precedent. Inside a time without leadership, all folded inside a time without much sense. And that's it for today. Show. That was produced by Daniel. Straighter Margaret Kelly executive producer of slave podcasts Lee Montgomery the last time any of them even said the name Wendell Willkie out loud. 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