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"This is a head gum podcast hello and welcome to complete got everything a podcast waitress. Tom And I'm Tim. Hello Hello Tim. Hello Tom our you. Did you forget how the show goes now. Urges try and mix it up a little bit change the plan. Nothing to say keep everybody everybody on their toes they think oh I not have this. I know how this old show goes well and then when there are listening right because it's the same show the guy saying the answer inter with different Cubans this even worse than usual. Look I tune in all because it's the same thing every day keeps me grounded. Every Dave imagine the daily show to some people it is explained more. I mean if you're listening to like back catalogue once a day that's that's true. Entertainment on demand can be daily Now if you think about it I've watched star wars. The man delorean Laurean every day. It's come out. There's only one episode so far. Yes I've watched that two days all right. Well it's a daily showed you then exactly exactly. It's like the morning news. It's like the daily show. Craig kilborn Zenit Kirk. You're not in it and tim you'll be surprise your Craig Kilgore's more is no longer the host of the daily show. What's Yeah Nah fewer? Remember when people were like when Craig kilborn left the daily show and John Stewart it started and people were like mad. Yes they're like well. What's going to become the daily show now? Yeah it'll be a shadow of itself with with John on Steward. Instead of all Craig kilborn guess what it might have been a shadow of itself to that shadow upstaged. The man whose shadow with US body was casting the shadow. Oh like Like the old Thirties comic character. The shadow oh now I was thinking more famously played by Alec Baldwin. I saw that movie Tom. I never saw the shadow I have. I talked about at the shadow on this area. And after a roaring start this week you know about this The the guy who created the shadow. He did it in this apart. It's like right in Greenwich Village. We can go there tonight. I'd rather not so. It's the Comic Book Comic Shadow from the Thirties. Yeah it was like maybe maybe even. Yeah like the thirties. He was like a comic strip before comic books. Maybe wrote novel. I don't know this guy. Apparently it to write. I don't understand the logistics around. It began to write like a lot of shadow content. I think he wrote novels about the shadow novels that began in the nineteen thirties. Right Walter. B Gibson Yeah Wall Gibson. Yeah so he would just work on these things like crazy in his apartment and then later on when he like yeah. I don't know if he died there or he left there. Whatever that apartment was haunted by the shadow himself as haunted haunted by the shadow? How so like people would see a ghost? You know people see ghosts they would see a ghost but the ghost was in Walt. It was the shadow in the theory. Is that Walt put so much. Focus on the shadow so while he was in there that he somehow manifested into the real world. That that it up well I mean makes as much sense as ghost. Yeah which is none right. It makes more sense than ghosts in my mind Tom. I went to look up some facts about the shadow to fact checks. You is the first fact that he knows no I got sidetracked and now I'm watching a video video of dog playing Jenga. How'd you could sidetrack that quickly? I don't know the Internet man. The Internet it's broken all of our braids. But this dog is is good agenda how he took a piece out of Che's and then pulls on big Jenga big Jenga's thing now. Yeah yeah big. Jenga is upsetting to me with those big pieces because it falls age ruth. No it's just so loud to knowing because I've never the one plane big Jenga I've never been asked to. I know me neither. We're always parties in. We're we have just enough clout out to get invited to the party. But not enough to participate in Games. Like Big Jenga yeah. Hey can we play big ringer. Can we go to turn a big junior. We don't have the confidence to do that. 'cause if we did know alive fine and then somebody else will be like I'M GONNA go get a drink playing big Jenga you play Jank everybody else goes and does something else in cornhole. Yeah the thought we were going to play Jenga or I'll I'll I'll be standing where in what I think is next in line to play big Jenga Hanka but then when the game and somebody else walks up and starts playing on my oh there was a line actually. It's fine I'll I'll play next and then game goes on too long all right. The party's over everybody leave. That means you Tom. Yeah I I was just going to play big Jenga for you can play one game of big Jenga and then a load trip and I'd knock over the big Django right away and then they put it all back in the box. Now Big Jenga stinks big Jenga like in big party city. Okay get regular Jenga party city. Yeah because you don't play regular Jenga at parties. Tom Strew anyway. How are you doing this week? Tom Feeling Trim and dizzy. Are you on a new weight loss regimen. I am Tom. Oh what is it. I'm trying to slim down before the holidays on the poop pills litter poop poop pills have allies stuff. It just makes it poop a lot now. I've been trying to eat healthy food. I guess I'll work to none of the carbohydrates protein. Chinese protein has had hard -Tarian it is because it's beans and in lentils and stuff. Yeah it's it's fine but I also find that I don't wanNA eat healthy food. Not Eating being enough food. I think right some a little dizzy all the time. Well that's good. That's a good way to be put. I'm feeling trimmer. Have you actually lost weight. I don't have a scale. Then what are you. How are you measuring success or failure based on how does it you already given time just based on I can tell if I'm losing weight you can yeah I don't know if I can tell if I'm I can tell after a while lyle. If I'm losing your gaining weight I mean what L. Like Day to day if I'm not eating yes sure not day-to-day but if I'm not eating eating MARV's and sugar and stuff for two weeks one would one would think that it'd be swimming down on right. Yeah but I mean you should. You should have a scale so you can check. I mean Tim I like you. You can afford a scale. I can afford a scale at US thinking about this the the other day. I don't know where in my home I would put it in the bathroom and my bathroom doesn't have enough floorspace for scale. They've gotTa have trip over it on the way to the shower Tom. Yeah they've got to have like a tiny scale by now but how I mean so many people are listening to this podcast right Now going like you guys are pathetic. Like why do you live in that city. Tim Sake better. He doesn't have room for scale and I don't even question because yes I'm like. Yeah I barely have room. I do have a scale in my bathroom. My trip over three times kids like one square foot. Yeah you don't have one square. It's like that now. That's one five hundred of. Yeah well yeah I do. But then I'm GONNA have to stand on the scale while I brush my teeth. You know what what a Murphy scale. While I was gonNA suggest I mean any scale can be a murphy scale use after tilt it up. Yeah but I want to build an apparatus building into the wall. Yeah Tom Did I tell you I stayed at an AIRBNB recently within with a murphy bed. No thrilling did you go inside of it at all. Did it savoring up and trapped trapping. They're afraid of that. Yeah but also were you afraid or did you want a little excited by the prospect. Of course you know what you know what I found about Murphy beds not spring loaded as you might expect. And there's a lot of they just they just pulled out and and and you put it back up and you know what if somebody chasing you and you want to jump into the bed and have it. That's the thing I was at an AIRBNB in my plan was to do a bunch of crimes. Run back to my airbnb spring the Murphy bed and get caught in the wall I had to call off my crimes. Yeah people can't see this but my favorite thing about recording the podcast with you. Is that if you get a text message you immediately check it. You don't like Oh Tim's picking up his phone to like turn it over half the screen nope. He's unlocking his phone seeing what this text message. This was it amp energy drink rap care to earn five hundred dollars a week with amp energy. Drink on your car slash trucks slash bike slash atv slash boat etc clink. Click link for more detail Tom. This is an opportunity for five hundred dollars a week. If have you paid me five hundred dollars a week to make five hundred dollars a week just car in an amp energy drink. No we should believe every time I say amp ramp. This is just what they want to add it. Of course you would. It usually all the brand names even in the ads that we do this Murphy Beds Oh scales. What about this kind of scale? This has exists with you get like Richter scale does exist and it's for tragedies like Like a home meet scale like a hook in your apartment that he can just Dangle from and then see how much you weigh I mean I already have a meat hook in my in my apartment right. He is guy get the attachment. It has a scale on it. Yeah it's not a bad idea to are you doing this week. I'm I'm good. Thank you for asking Tim this week. We're talking rock and roll playing games. People who play roles in the context of game. Yeah no games in which people apple play roles. I recently rewatch the game. Remember Mickey Douglas. Michael Douglas. That movie is not David Finch. Yeah that's one a David finches first movies. Nice I think after alien three he did the game and then fight club That movie it holds up on a lot of levels story wise. It does not hold up in terms of in terms of when you're watching you're like no way a no way just yeah the way. Everything works implausible. You know what I thought and spoiler alert for the game at the end he jumps off the building. Yeah Halloween Oh he's GonNa jump off in that exact spot exactly. But maybe it's like a Darren Brown thing we mean where you know. You don't know how people have been Persuading the way he thinks well I know at the end of the party. One of the actor says so Mike. I'm glad you jumped. Because if you didn't I was going to have to throw throw you off and like has a big laugh so it's implied like they did have a backup plan but the the weird thing at the end so anybody who hasn't seen it that doesn't mind as spoiled Michael Douglas. He's already come in nineteen ninety-seven. Yeah good poll. I know what every year every nineties movie came out Sometimes I'd say the nineties right right. Michael Douglas is the man who who has it all Until his brother Sean Penn Buys him a birthday present. Which is the game which is like an An augmented reality game game. So does he takes out his iphone and he. Oh this is before rose pointing so it's Kinda like a like a Role playing game. That's happening around him. Bill Wow because everything the role of himself right but by boat role he was born to play but yeah normally his life's pretty humdrum pretty boring but in this game a bunch of crazy stuff starts happening around him and then they trick them into thinking that like no the game is fake. This was actually a company stealing your identity so they can steal all your money And then they trick them into thinking that he shot his brother Sean Penn and then he jumps off a building to kill himself like his father had killed himself but he crashes through a big skylight and lands in a big the stuntman bag. A big fall man. And everybody's there. It's a big surprise. His brother cheers him with a glass of champagne. He does yeah he does twice. He does it once and then get shot and then the second time the second time. He doesn't cheers them. He's got a novelty t shirt. He's made for him but this movie that into enter the novel but but the the thing about the movie is to everybody else. That's at that party. I guess it was explained to them. What's happening and they're like so we're GonNa get this guy to his lowest point where he's decided to kill himself but it's GonNa be a big surprise and his friends and family? Yeah and like there would be okay to kill himself the way his father killed him. Say Right Yeah we'll we'll remind him. A bunch of his father killed himself by jumping to his death so that he decides to do it but then it will be a big laugh at the end. Because it's just it's A. It's a fun party. Tom Kenny something. I attended a surprise party. This past weekend did you did. Was the member. Risvan are tricked into committing suicide. And then even no not even close surprise Traumatic enough. You don't know it was for my aunt and uncle like I imagine Michael Douglas Getting out of the bag and just being like everybody leave me alone and having like a complete mental breakdown but as a guest at that party right. It's enough pressure and maybe this is in just the specific anxiety that I have about the world but I hate surprise parties. I hate attending surprise parties. I think they're all in good fun. John I think it's a nice idea but I'm always like well. This is a lot like I could be the one to screw this up. Anybody here can screw drew this up and all that was asked of me was like get here before this time right. Don't park directly out front right. Yeah slot plot go where you're supposed to go at this time and the entire time to say. Oh no I hope I don't do something to screw this up. I hope unscrew this whole Party. I can't imagine if it was like okay. Show up here. You'RE GONNA come to this party. We're all GONNA drive this guy like this is such a the A plan that needs to be perfectly executed. That'd be so much more anxiety to standing on the edge of the building building about things like that Roger from my old job late surprise. Oh Rogers it frigging three minutes late right. Walking from the parking lot I will will move pass surprise parties and a second year but I will say that it. Is that what you're GONNA say. I know my problem is pretty surprising. My problem with surprise parties. I don't have that anxiety of a little bit of that anxiety that you describe but I can normally take care of that by like making sure. I'm they're very early. Yeah very well I was the only way you can get me early for. Something is if I think I'm going to ruin a surprise party. I'll be there very early. But then I get hyper conscious of everybody else and very mad that somebody else is going to ruin the. Oh Yes oh my God. Yeah so like I've. I've been at surprise parties. Rely people are strolling in. You know when you're like waiting for the person and somebody else strolls in and you're like kidding everybody. Everybody is like we're being quiet at this point. We're being quite ten minutes before we need to be quiet. Yeah just in case aband- surprise parties. Were the person them being surprised like A. They're walking in with somebody else because they ran into each other. It's like Oh great now presents a heads up. Aw surprised by Greek. I tell you that a surprise party episodes about roleplaying games but go ahead. I'll allow it mother-in-law Had A party before I knew either of them right for my father in law Seems Weird that of using big those phrases that's grownup words. Real battle axe. She had a reverse surprise party for him. And I I think you can only pull this off in the suburbs okay. Like is The weekend of his birth they were having a big party and then nobody showed the I mean she calls it a reverse for but what I described as an actual river surprise party. Tell me if this would ever work. In Twenty Twenty nineteen where our communities are getting ever more fractured. Somebody would show like knock on the door like hey remember I tell you about a book. Okay I was out for a walk and I figured I'd I'd bring this book by and my father-in-law was like hey come in and have a drink. Whatever like you gaming and then somebody buddy doesn't like and like people would just show up? Okay one by one until he figured out like. Hey all these people plan to be here A. It's a party right right. If has any one of your friends ever just stopped by your place. No but also wouldn't it be nice ace if we had these kinds of live. Yeah sounds like a great surprise party on Seinfeld when they're like. Oh you can't do the pop and I would love for somebody to puppet. There's nothing or along we have. We have a robust friend group. But wouldn't it be nice if somebody came by one time. Kiss shut up Jerry Seinfeld. It's nice when Elaine comes. Maybe not so nice when George comes by and also wouldn't it be nice to just hang out in somebody's apartment all the time. How how did this reverse surprise? Party work in regard to Like people coming together because I would assume like it'd be like well all right I'm gonNA bring like my wife and kids all come to door like. Hey here's that book. We all came up to the door. We're all GONNA come in. Yeah maybe Oh sure I think he caught on very quickly. Yeah I mean I would catch on by the second person probably not only the third. Yeah but that is. I like that idea. That's A. It's a cute idea. Done to your in laws yeah. I know they're listening. I don't tell them about this. Yeah well yeah if you want to keep him your in laws you shouldn't why because you you though with somebody like you know they'll tell your wife to leave you. What makes you think they haven't already told her tim this week? We're talking about roleplaying games. Games replay role. Not like the game. That Michael Douglas did not too far up Tim I WanNa talk all right. They're they're a bunch of different types of role playing games. I WANNA start off the common thread They're all how bad they're all bad so I was dating. That's that's what I thought until I played one while I was Gonna say that I have had the the unique week. Pleasure of playing a tabletop. roleplaying game with you yeah. We were all tabletop. Nobody was under the table. Everybody was on top when you were a kid. Did you think he was a role playing him. Because you'd roll dice. Oh yeah absolutely okay cool. I only learned that. That wasn't the case the first time he played. Yeah Yeah we played dungeons and dragons yeah the og as it were original gangster. Yeah do you know about right like we talked about this. A little bit off Mike Not recently but like when we were Starting to play dungeons and dragons that it it came out of like people doing like war models and stuff like like just having like a big table and being like all right in here I'm GonNa like set up. You know like revolutionary war style like. Oh here's a work and the guy Gary three something or other litter now that created a dungeons and dragons rock and roll party. He was into that. What did some other stuff? And then he was like. Oh we should. I should come up with a way to make this an actual game. Not just like the you know the demonstration. Yeah let's just hang on like Pupudu. Why were they doing that? Who made the figurines little pewter are figurines computers Pewter That's what they were into but but then he came came along was like how about we like make an actual game add this and he was really into Lord of the rings like most nerds in the seventies. Were Gary Gag axe yes And came up with a dungeons and dragons you know what. Tom Watt crap all over me for reading text messages about making five hundred dollars a week wrapping my car energy drink Advertisement but when we need to know who created tension dragons or who wrote the shadow. Who's the guy that you can open your computer? Dogs play Jenga. I don't think it's again. I think it's probably the same video from the last half of looking at it. The SOLTA have a bench all right so dungeons and dragons. Tim How do you start playing dungeons and dragons. You remember You Create Ada character. You do by rolling the dice. Not just rolling the dice throwing the twelve sided dice. Uh Not necessarily twenty sided day not necessarily seriously want to see this. Doug Plague the dogs walking away. Bugs look sorry here look. The dog is approaching the giant Jenga. He took it out with his paw. Got It with his teeth. The owner stabilized the TAP. That is not that impressive. Actually I wish you had left that to the imagination well I. I don't think a picture. I don't think that dog knew it was playing Jenga I think it new. I'm shit no shit. The dog didn't know any injured. It back up on the top. Yes true so the first thing you need to do tim is come up with the character you got the character sheet needs to pick like What type of Car are you an ORC Elf? Alf can you be a wizard. Yeah let's say a wizard. You could be like a like an attack guy like a like a brawler. Yeah brawler. That's what they call them and there's like a bunch of I mean it goes on and on right and we were playing a version that have expanded characters. You're playing you're a cat man. At one point. There's a barbarian. Yeah Barbarian Bard. What is Zada? That's a singer. I think we both wanted to be bards and Our our dungeon master in this case Taylor was like no great man. Taylor Moore really got fed up dungeon master. He want to be bar. It's just WANNA sing. What do we do two or three sessions? We did more than that. We did a bunch of sessions. He and he yelled at us for being so bad bad leg. Dungeons and dragons and that we'd never played again now. Taylor if you're listening which you're not sorry now. Well there's no wrong way to play dungeons and in the drive ins except when maybe things had gone differently we get it both played as bards but you played as a cat person at one point I remember sure yeah. I played as a bird person at one point. We played two different campaigns rain. So when you sit down to play a desktop or tabletop role playing in game. You're not necessarily Plane at all the way. You're not you. Can you have sessions and a lot of time. So sessions carry over multiple time. So it's like this season of a TV show right. You're not starting from scratch. Every time which is one of the big allures of it like the television show Fargo. Sometimes you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA be in the nineteen seventies indies. And you'll be Ted Danson for twelve times in a row but then it might be the nineteen nineties in your That other lady who is in the first season. I don't remember the Fargo. TV's what's a good good thing that US effort example give us any other Anthony TV. Show name one American horror story all right name a season and a character twice. I don't know see well. That's why I didn't mm jumping. I I thought I was doing a good job. Just explain campaigns and then sessions essentially we played two different campaigns and a few sessions of each two sessions initially and then maybe like three sessions after that of a different. Somebody's writing this down. 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What the races are like elves and GNOMES and ORCs not the color of your skin. Okay once you figure that out in you. What always was so daunting to me? It's like Harry's supposed to know what you want to be. Well the thing is you don't it doesn't really in life you know and yeah well like in life. It's a there are no wrong decisions. It's what you make of it right and I think that was actually thing that both of us had trouble with with the indie. 'cause we the it's very much. The journey is the destination right. So you're not looking for all right. Well I want my character to just be like like overpowered. Just the biggest bad ass can kill everybody just by looking at them. 'cause that's I even necessarily fun. Yeah you're building a story you're building story and every character every type of character is going to have its own strengths and weaknesses and a live. It's GONNA be Hi Play it and now you're it's not it is a game of course but that you're not playing it necessarily to win you're playing it to have an adventure grand adventure grand adventure with with your friends until one of your friends get angry and yells at you and unstuffy played well. Something wasn't wrong right. Yeah I mean you got ill that because you didn't know things that by that point you really should have understood. Yeah I also am a very cautious player as much as I am a very cautious person in life and I think What were the master taught me? Is that You know what maybe sometimes you just have to go for it and right and and make a move move. Yeah and I wasn't making like my whole thing was like I'm gonNA sneak around And he's like you sure you don't want to storm the we were we. Were trying to get into a are two characters or had teamed up. We're trying to get into an event or something there. It was like. Oh Yeah Yeah we have to sneak into a place and I was. Yeah and I was like oh well this sneak around and look and he's like you sure you don't WanNa go in there and I think it's too risky to go in there and you say well if you're not gonNA take risks speech which is right right like you got to play the game. The two of us were both playing so causes Schuessel playing like her actual lives at stake. And then after I got that that pep talk by response to everything everything and I think he thought I was mocking his advice for. It's just putting it into into action poorly every time. There is an opportunity community for conflict. I was like all right. Let's light this guy on fire. You went completely the other way. Yeah exactly and Look this is much like I operate in real life. And it's why Taylor and I are better friends in real life right you you just operate Black and white. There's no gray exactly either. You're too cautious or you're completely ran idling in the parking lot or screaming down the highway one hundred miles per hour. Wow drop tap convertible. Are you referencing something or are you trying to figure go out with see this team somebody'd flying down the highway and a job. They're not going to be this cautious. Choose from their words. Third third is GonNa do it. That's the problem pedal to the metal. My friend that's what I'm about. So yeah we were both very cautious playing a Role playing and I think also is really like Wha- what does your guy say now and I just feel like I don't know we we. We had trouble. I think with W- getting into what I what what I understand to be one of the most fun elements of doing a role playing game which is inhabiting the role right just fully giving it your all of like Admiral Goblin. Neither of US did even one voice the entire time. No you know and now I'm doing the Koplin voice I should. It's been a Goblin should could have been a pool maybe to sneak into the me things take a key. Not Me thinks. That's that's the key to al-roa role playing games. We were playing roles enough adding we would have had more fun. I think we both learned and like a lot of drinks to really get into roles but we should have done it his fault for not giving us more drinks gave us unlimited drinks. Yeah I think we were afraid trade to drink too much because it wasn't what I was Gonna say because then we would screw up the game and die in real life. Yeah the dungeon master. Yeah or other Theresa get into yeah or the game master. If it's not under the dragged I was the other thing that always confused me about. RPG's RPG's so there are the players that that assume roles right may go on an adventure but the adventures being driven by this one one person. Yeah and It's it's a person who sits there and they have a story or the they they've defined find the world that you're in they usually have like a little divider between them and everybody else elitist I prince. It's not a very you can't see my new. Don't copy my test. They're not it's not it's not like I know sometimes when we travel for shows you bring addressing divider. Yeah that you put up so that when you need to change your shirt sometimes you'll put up this big league divider in. Sometimes I think it sexy to bring somebody into the the dressing room and go behind that divider yet. Will you bring the role my close up as a change. You bring the divider and then you bring a big spotlight so you can cast a shadow on the divider. Yeah to have your Silla way better next. Yeah I've been on this diet with the immortal up. Suicides snowed Alaska level okay. It's not that kind of divider. Lider it is maybe a foot high divider and behind that divider. They've got a map sometimes and they've just got like a bunch of information they there but they are not necessarily very scripted. They've got some stuff that's a little scripted but a lot of characters that are in certain in places so if you go to a place right so that character. Yeah so they'll yeah in a place they'll have like all right this character sear in this characters actors magician. That is hiding this secret but also has information about this thing and it's kind and they're helpful. They're not helpful. That kind of stuff the dungeon master or the game master Do a lot of prep work. Oh a a ton of prep work and and a dungeon master can make or break a game. I think like you can have a good game with a bad Ed Dungeon Master and he can't have a bad game with a good dungeon master. That's what my shirt says. It's a great shirt. The novelty shared that. I'm GONNA give you. Would you try to kill yourself. No and that's what Taylor did Fantastic the he would inhabit these characters and then we would not follow suit inhabiting the characters like he did right which we should he uses you and accents and everything he had all kinds of schemes teams worked up. I mean you need to like probably come up with a lot more back story about our characters. Yeah I felt very gary Vulnerable Yeah kind of scared me a little bit. Yeah I mean our experiences variances mostly just us being very scared scared of dying scared of Satan taking us into the underworld. Oh my God too much into it exactly. So that's another big element of dungeons and dragons said it led to a satanic panic in the eighties. We're parents groups and stuff and churches and whatnot. They didn't like all this. Make believe it ain't like all this pretending know that the kids were doing they understand it then one understand it because he was Satan's tool they thought to get now. Why was this? Was this parents in the eighties. Eighties just listen to whatever. Nancy Reagan's that was Nancy. Reagan against Dungeons and dragons. Because that's not true astrology. No the God add up to her level. I Anti Reagan. blissfully unaware rolled right. Because that's be nice it because even in the late seventies early eighties like it still wasn't it was still a nerdy. Dang yeah like so I got news so it wasn't like Oh everybody was playing them. It was like it was still a pretty small minority of people. And I think the stereotypical nerds. Why were they like well? These guys are the most Satan. Why weren't they? Why are they picking on the poindexter? 's who were spending their Saturday nights Rolling dice with their friends and not the foreign caters who were out at. Make out point because I just figured the Zodiac killer would take care of them right. Well I think that they it was all I mean like most panics. It's that they didn't understand what was going on. They didn't understand that this was a game. This looked like some kind of worship to them and they didn't understand like wait a minute. You're playing a game with like dragons dragons and demons and monsters engines and dungeons like what the Hell is going on with him came dragons and dungeons and that's what kind of freaked him out because they didn't understand it and they didn't understand like well wait a minute like where's where's the board like monopoly. Right there oh like there's there's either no board or there's a board but like you're not necessarily moving you know like Oh don't don't Pasco or whatever you know. It's like a grid going on I think they were just very confused by and very scared. And and the DA involved. Yeah you think they'd come down into the basement and this is what we're doing on the dungeon master. It's a game game like monopoly and they'd be like the dungeon master's like a rich uncle any bags. Yeah he's the dungeon master of Monopoly visit pennybags moneybag sandbags pennybags. Yeah this I'm very rich. Who would be the mascot of the game of life? Probably that clicky wheel right. Probably I used to play not dungeons and dragons by play. I've talked about this on the show. My neighbor neighbor had a Nintendo entertainment system. And I didn't so we didn't have any aspect as you were I later packers. Sega kid later Sega kids but I never would've saying a kid grow up to be a a guy that can You a guy that complained about the original sonic trailer. Yeah Seth threats got it fixed. Yeah say kids get shit done anyway. man imagine. The nintendo kids had the clout to fix nineteen ninety. Three's Super Mario. Yeah yeah so I would go to his house and play Nintendo but I tell you when I got the I got the Super Mario brother movie year correct as well good for you very dim. I'm bursting soothe. Pride right now. He only had Super Mario Brothers. So that was all we would play and I hated it. I wish he got more games But I did have a friend signed that this is prior to us playing dungeons and dragons with our friend Taylor who by the way he he has. He produces rude tales of magic podcast. which you should go? Listen to very funny. Did we both look that up. When we're talking about Taylor Louis L. to us and now he's actually really good at what he does? Actually Brandon. Reese is the is the dungeon man. Taylor's the producer on that show Route has a magic. You should check it out. It's very good wherever you get your podcasts. Or wherever you don't I don't know what that means anyway Maybe people have ripped him re upload them to Youtube Yeah. I only listen to pirated podcasts. That helps out hosts. Yeah it's too hard to I don't Wanna I don't want anybody to get the satisfaction and be listening through normal channels. That's good you're fighting the good fight thank you I am. I never saw before Playing with Taylor. The only time I'd ever or played a role playing game was with our friend Matt. Mutual friend of me New Matt when we were Iran maybe fifth or sixth grade. He invited everybody over. It might have been his birthday sleepover. Party sleep yeah everybody sleepover and we were Gonna a play the Star Wars roleplaying game. The Star Wars tabletop. roleplaying game. which is I don't understand how kids in the eighties? He's a ninety s played roleplaying games that they were able to wrangle enough of their friends together to do it I could growing up always always hanging out with five or more people at a time. No that I understand but the idea of getting that that many people to agree to play some of the role playing game and not have people just constantly fucking around around. That's what this star wars. roleplaying game experience was that's the way it was the quote unquote nerds. Because because they're well behaved here. Yeah they're the ones that could concentrate like did well in school and we're like hey if I put some attention into something it will pay off right. Yeah so he was trying to play with us new bunch of mooks and I remember we were all like the adventure started and we were like a chained up in a dungeon in star wars world and it was like all right Tom. Tattooing one of the world's Hof it might have been. I don't remember the exact planet where you on Jedi Dagoba. Oh come on What it it's like you're chained up? What do you do and I was like I take out my lightsaber and it's like no? You don't have a lightsaber. You're not a jet I it's like what if it's make believe then. I WANNA have a lightsaber. Did you call it at the time. A lifesaver whenever lifesaver over. I think that turned into like a very big argument and then it was like all right fine everybody has lightsabres. Airbase jet is is like all right. Ah I take out my lightsaber and I. I put it through and he was like well. Why would you do that? There's no he walks there. Yeah they walk. I stick right clean through Colorado and it's like all right. Well now there's just GonNa turn into a fight where you get killed because you're a level one player and it just did degraded very quickly on anyone late. Wait I tried to buy when I was a kid. I would go to the comedy store all the time. And they had a bunch of bunch of role playing games and they had a I didn't realize this until like why guy a little bit older. That comic bookstore owner would tell my parents like now. Don't he that he can have that. He's too young and I wanted this. Teenage mutant Ninja Turtles Role playing game. That was up on the shelf all the time and I realize slayer like Oh the reason why I was never able to buy it even when I had. The money was because he was like Manna. Don't don't and that was reading about this. Listen to this. The original edition of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and other strangeness was published was a section detailing a comprehensive list of mental illnesses extensively drawn from the diagnosis diagnostic statistical manual of Mental Disorders Players this is the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles roleplaying game. Yeah and the I'M NOT GONNA get into it but the section of I don't Wanna I say that this was a messed up game six. The section that had the different forms of insanity featured extensive lists of sexual sexual deviations. Some of which are not. TV are not deviations their normal and This was in the UH the teenage mutant Ninja Turtle roleplaying game and some of the deviations were very normal varia legal well is the the basis was it the Cowabunga we pizza turtles. The original. Who'll black and white can erase like the hard core for eighteen? Nice original Ninja Turtles. Those original Ninja turtles could go screw. What those guys? Those guys. They'll choppy up tim him. Yeah I know and that's why I don't like them. They don't abide by regular rules. They've got real weapons and they'll they won't hesitate say the choppy up too much you think of all the dice. Come to tabletop. Roleplaying Game Lake Doc that there were a bunch of different variation of dice dice. Dice dice. His diocese you like there is a variation I never understood why there was like all right you got the six sided and eight sided and the twenty like why is is that wants to deal with that but then once we played it was like oh I get it. It changes the probability of sometimes you need to pick a number between one and twenty at random and the only way to do that is to roll a dice. That's got twenty sides. Yeah Die Yeah Yeah the you. You didn't realize that. Sometimes that a twenty sided die would be used to choose A. I didn't really understand where dice came into. Well so it comes in a number of things right you roll dice to establish to establish Various strength and intelligence right figuring out your characters got a bunch of different Would you call them traits right. And it's like all right on a scale of one to ten. How smart is this knucklehead? Rolla ten sided die and it's like I rolled or one. He's a real eighty eight so now if you're in a situation that's going to require you being smart. This character is not going to be smart so when you do have a situation let's say you're you're facing down in a battle of wits with somebody brought by the dungeon master. The Dungeon Master will tell you a you met this uh-huh frigging sentient squirrel. Yeah you have to out smartness smarts contest or or you might even it might not even be a contest you might say like Yeah I'm getting to US My intelligence to figure out how to get around this guy or how to trick twickeham right and so he'll try trigon the squirrel yes so he'll have his own. The squirrel will have his own kind of set of statistics. Mystic's and so that's the dungeon master will roll for the Squirrel. You'll role for you On the same die right and the same aside a day And then maybe you will add your intelligence. Your Baseline Intelligence and the squirrel will add his baseline intelligence. uh-huh and you have to beat the Squirrel. You WanNa get by right and if you're a very smart character because you've given yourself intelligence stats than you're GONNA do better. Were even if you have a crappy. You might risk that because it's like even though this stuff I don't know the I didn't know this stuff either and that happens tall conflict so I wish we could solve the world's conflict through the roll of dice wall. That'd be risky though Tim. What do you mean because why if you roll Sneaker sometimes you win sometimes you lose real life to know the the it's it's loaded dice that we're playing with right now. God's loaded dice. No the illuminaries looted Dais Jeffrey. Epstein's all right. You know what I think. We should price problem Soviet problems and and we're going to solve a problem. I'm from Eliza lucky listener. Who wrote in if you'd like your problem solved email us at the complete guide to everything? Everything Edgy Mail Dot Com. That's the complete guide to everything at Gomel dot COM GOOGLE DOT COM. They'll work to. Yeah Tom Johnny okay Funny Man Very very good actor Oscar nominated writer Wanted joining the marvel. CINEMAX universe really Turtles else okay. he is one of the stars of Silicon Valley have you ought Silicon Valley. This season I've only watched the Premiere Mirror so far so he plays this Weirdo nerd. Yeah programmer guy but in real life things are going great for Kumail Mel like over the last decade he's really is in a marvel movie Angelina Jolie he's risen through the ranks. He's so in shape and live off now when he's he's playing this loser character. Yeah yeah he probably at the same time had to get into like marvel superheroes. Yeah he's still very funny but it's just like something's not adding up with this. This guy looks like he's got got it all figured out. And he's playing this meek loser who can't can't have a friend. Yeah whatever. Dear Tim and Tom this comes dot it. Come up going somewhere. I said Gil male achieve male Kumail. I'M GONNA use this guy is Real name okay. I think is he allowed. that he doesn't disallow it. Yeah well you use your discretion. Oscar is his name. Okay Dear Tom. I've got an issue in need of your master problem problem solving skills. Who Do I give the best picture award to an Oscar as a UH groucho related and mobility to blow it? You're dug Ben Why such a grudge? I currently really attend a Spanish class every morning and have been doing so since the start of August. Okay this came in November Ninth Times a UH August pretty fresh September October like a little over three months every morning. You think he has weekends off. Yeah you should sit every weekday morning. Come on the way in which we're taught. The language means applying personal interests in stories two topics in order to learn discussing our favorite holiday. As a way to practice past tenses tenses et Cetera. The issue is that after three months of classes. I think I've actually run out of small talk. There are simply. We know more ways to rehash the same story about seeing the Great Barrier Reef as a kid in different Spanish tenses. I'm concerned that as Nice Nice. Is that the people in my class. Are I actually have to start divulging personal stuff to them. In order to apply new forms of Spanish grammar grammar to and nobody really wants that. Pretend that sentence fade sensitively. I read it. Okay can I just start lying and create a more elaborate life story instead of interests if so what would you recommend making up or with six months to go in the course cheeses. She says I'm here nine months. Okay I will I will. I be eventually cut out leading to more BARRASSO. Then repeated small talk currently does it will get found out right. Thank you so much for the show. My Dad initially linked a a to me thinking he was some bill. Bryson thing about eight years ago but now it turns out. It's been so much more than that. His Dad was like hey hey Oscar smarten up now. Here's a smart smarts podcast. Yep Smart enough. Here's this Marthe podcast. I don't know what happened to you having eaten. You're talking earlier about how you're dizzy a couple of beers you're telling me you just assume and lost weight because you're not eating anything exactly what time eating things. I'm eating eating healthy things of not eating a lot because I don't like eating healthy. I've got some almond software. Your later That you're not gonNA believe. Are they buffalo dusted Tim. I've got habanero barbecue. I've got salt vinegar. What and I've sat soya sauce and Watanabe Holy Shit? Yeah Guess Guess how much I've got a beach I can't. I got Dan pound. Jesus Christ. Yeah you're going to need these elements. I'd be happy happy. If you eight Oscar happy for you to use my real name. Okay there you go. You know. It's weird I was thinking about like I dunno. No no I took like seven years of Spanish or something. If I nowadays took nine months of Spanish I would assume by the. I'm not the end of the ninth month. I would be fluent and have like a pretty close to impeccable accent. Yeah it's because when we were learning Spanish yeah were the biggest pieces of shit. All right. Yeah it was right after I was trying to learn how to play a role playing game. Amy Yes it's like all right well you couldn't just play pretend about star wars. You're learning new language right with my hormones going crazy. Had that effect things there was all I could think about was just the latest issue of Maxim. Yeah I was thinking of the latest issue issue of Fhm. Yeah Oh learn how to say this in the past tense Not Unless Carmen Electra is on the cover yeah or Vendola end. Ella forgot about Bendel River. Vendela the tennis player. No she was a model. Okay okay who were you thinking. I'm thinking of Was a Cornucopia. Yeah Tova La. That's that's what. They called her no anyway. I'm curious if Oscars classmates are running into the same issue. Yeah it seems like Oscar doesn't WanNa divulge much about his life. Also I'm wondering about Oscar's pass discography patty so cagey about like again. Know too much. Yeah they can never find out that I live in a trash can there. It is yeah. I'll go back. I'll edit out where you said you're going to be about Oscar the crash and then you can really hit it data with that one Yeah I mean if you're talking about I think you could also probably say the teacher Hayao Hourly can we maybe do a different subject like Talk about a TV show. We watched recently recently or movie we recently saw recount. That kind of thing would practise. Your Spanish is much like tell me the plot of the the last movie you saw l.. Iron man the hombre iron. Yeah I was Gonna I I was GonNa try to construct a sentence in Spanish but last I've only studied for seven years right. You can't be expected expected to be able to put together a full sentence and saying is all iron man it was full of action. Christ raced or you can just do what we've been talking about man build your own character but don't tell anybody it's a it's a role playing character. Yeah come up with a a whole crazy background. Get this Guy Taylor to come up with. Come up with a whole background right it all out in English English yet. I'm assuming English is your primary language. I don't know here's what it says At the bottom of his Email sparkin the Deutsche Envio. Does they meet iphone evil. Oh maybe that's just him practicing and is Siri signatures in Spanish into practice. Yeah I wanNA know more about what Horman I have so many questions about Oscar. What are your the questions? Maybe I can answer them. No it's just we'll talk about this later right. Yeah come up with a whole backstory. Very rated all out in your native language. And then just stick to that or talk to your work in Spanish Oracle or talk to your instructor instructor and say like Hey I'm adage shit talk about real boring life. You Steve Urkel backstory. Oh good luck trying to come up with a time. Steve Urkel back sore. It's all over the place. Oh man a role playing game vers based on the matter family only matters perfect strangers universe right. Yeah you can play as Baulky or you could maybe encounter balcony. You play as one of his cousins from me. Pos coming to America for the first time Nice and then you can encounter all these characters you would have to roll for ridiculousness if you like the show you can find out more at. TC G. T.. Dot Dot Com. You can like our show on facebook. 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The Patriarch Nude scenes driving them to whatever streaming services interview with the vampire. Well looks which streaming services interview the pirate tape yourself a few bucks I think on. Hbo Save Yourself a few bucks and just sign up to patriots dot com slash complete guide again hero about the nudity. Diddy what's better than me describing nudity. It's way better than seeing it. Tim Yeah that's about out. That's about it for role playing games. I would say I. I would like to play more tabletop. roleplaying games I enjoyed playing it. I think it's a fun social activity I feel. I guess we're getting older. We need to have like more so may not necessarily roleplaying games but like game nights and things like that yeah. The boom we were younger. It was like. Hey we're all gonna go drink. That's enough of a lower lower. Yeah that's I can't thank that much anymore. This old liver. I got this little livers pickled by this point pickled deliver. Yeah but can I pretend to be a drag My attention time I get a good game night in the works. got a short list of people. You're on the short whole. Wow thank you is it just me yes okay bring your Doug Okay. She's not very good at games. No unless I wanted them big Jenga's then she's very very good at it. Glad you get what I was sitting up and we'll see you next week. Yeah that was a hit gum podcast.

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Stacey Abrams Talks Politics, Star Trek, and 2020

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Stacey Abrams Talks Politics, Star Trek, and 2020

"This is kick ass news. I'm Ben Mathis. It happens to all of us right before an important presentation. The printer runs out of ink brother Inc. Vestment tank printers helped put a stop to this. And can literally change the way you Inc. With your choice of one or two years of ink included in box Inc. Vestment tank helps eliminate the expense and hassle of frequently buying and replacing ink. Cartridges learn more at change the way you Inc dot com. Faculty and students at Rochester institute of technology recently, built a robot fish why because it could lead to a new wave of prosthetics now, we're all hooked at RIT the creative team of engineers is onto something. Life. Changing. Learn more about the project at RIT dot EDU slash kick. And now enjoy the show. Hi, I'm Ben Mathis. Welcome to kick ass. News of all the hotly contested races in the twenty eighteen midterms none attracted more attention than the Georgia. Gubernatorial election that pitted democratic nominee and former minority leader of the Georgia house of representatives Stacey Abrams against Republican candidate Brian Kemp who also happened to be Georgia's secretary of state, the very person in charge of overseeing that election on election night. Kemp declared victory by narrow margin of one point four percent. But Stacey Abrams wasn't ready to give up yet alleging widespread irregularities and voter disenfranchisement in poor and binary communities. The election results were eventually upheld after a ten day recount and while Abrahams then suspended her campaign. She refused to concede defeat. If her critics hoped that she'd quietly fade away they've been sorely disappointed. The. Georgia recount turned Abrahams into a national celebrity and one of the most popular Democrats in the country. She recently delivered a stirring democratic response to President Trump's state of the union address receiving wide praise for humanity and straightforwardness in contrast to what many saws Trump's stiffness and insincerity since then the buzz around what she'll do next has reached a fever pitch as she weighs. A gubernatorial rematch in twenty twenty two against more immediate possibilities of running for the US Senate or president in twenty twenty and now just a few days ago. She had a private one on one lunch at the invitation of Joe Biden leading to widespread speculation that Biden wants to launch his own campaign for president by announcing Abrahams as his running mate. No sooner had the rumors of Abidin Abrahams. Ticket taken flight than a deluge of high profile Democrats began pleading with Stacey Abrams to decline the number two spot and run for president herself base. On her most recent statements, like I think you don't run for second place. And if I'm going to enter a primary I'm going to enter a primary she certainly is beginning to sound like a candidate for the top office. But if political pundits and predictors want to get to the heart of what drives Stacey Abrams, they do well to read her engaging and instructive book lead from the outside how to build your future and make real change. Now available in paperback and on today's podcast. I'll talk with Stacey Abrams about where she comes from how she got there. And where she's going next. We'll talk about that private lunch with Joe Biden, what was discussed and what issues she'd campaign on if she does run for VP or even president in twenty twenty as well as how the self proclaimed introvert is handling all that national attention. She discusses making history as Georgia house minority leader, and then as her party's nominee for governor why she refused to concede defeat in the gubernatorial race. And why she believes widespread voter suppression tip that election for her opponent. Then she explains the careful balancing act of being a woman of color in a position of power. Why minority politicians undergo way more financial scrutiny than their white colleagues and how the Republican governors association tried to chastise her and by implication all women for daring to seek higher office. Plus, Stacey reveals herself as a Star Trek next generation super nerd, and what the show can teach us about outsider politics. She shares her personal philosophy of work life Jenga talks about moonlighting as a successful romance novelist and opens up about finally making time for dating and a love life of her own coming up with Stacey Abrams in just a moment. Stacey Abrahams spent eleven years in the Georgia house of representatives seven of them as minority leader before becoming the democratic nominee for governor of Georgia and twenty eighteen the first black woman to become the gubernatorial nominee for a major party in the United States and winning more votes than any other democrat in the state's history. She has founded multiple organizations devoted devoting rights training and hiring young people of color and tackling social issues at both the state and national levels. She's a lifetime member of the council on foreign relations and the two thousand twelve recipient of the John F Kennedy new frontier award now Stacey Abrams book lead from the outside. How to build your future and make real change just came out in paperback with a new preface, and if you believe the political buzz around her she just might have her pick of running for the Senate the vice presidency or even president in twenty twenty Stacey Abrams. Welcome to the podcast. For having me, your just a busy busy woman. Here named just keeps popping up all over the place. These days, do you take a little bit of pleasure and disappointing. Those critics who were probably hoping that you were just going to quietly disappear after the governor's race in two thousand eighteen I like to say that I learned how to not win very very well. Yes. Yes. And that's one of the most important things. I think you know, it may surprise some folks. But in your book, you can fast being an introvert at heart. Are you comfortable with the amount of national attention? That's being focused on you since the governor's race. I appreciate what it can help me. Do. Yeah. But it is sometimes over woman. Yeah. Hey, look, I truly am someone who prefers to be with smaller groups of people around me nuts meant attention. But I am deeply grateful for those who are energized. By what we're doing who are engaged and who stand to benefit by our success and part of the trade off his that. Yes. I may be an introvert by nature, but the work I think needs to be done requires that mimic extroverts and try to do what they do is that your secret 'cause you say in college, you were very shy. So after assume that all the glad-handing and the stuff that comes with politics doesn't come that naturally do ya? So I am not shy. I. Always been reserved will in. Here's here's the distinction, my younger sister, and I fight about this shy. Presumes that your frayed people. I'm less afraid and more just it's not my natural comfort zone. Okay. And I. They describe introversion is being whether you're animated by people or whether they take energy, it takes some energy for me, and the glad-handing and the gregarious nece that you usually find with extroverts the doesn't come natural to me. I can do it. And I've learned how to better at it. But left to my own devices. I will watch Star Trek marathon. Yeah. I know that you're a huge Star Trek fan at some point in your book. I think you say that the Android data sort of inspired a certain political philosophy of how minorities should approach trying to get ahead in politics. Can you tell that story? So there is a episode where they are playing games and sort of a subplot data the Android is challenged to game of strategy against the brilliant man, named Karami and Karami beats the Android at what is essentially computer game, which should not happen. And everyone tries to figure out how could data lose data disengages himself. He runs diagnostics. He finally decides that he's just not worthy of being the of the Android because he could lose to human and the captain captain Picard, basically says stop beating yourself up the figure out how to do this because this is your job and when data Rian gauges he plays. Karami again when you see him this time Karami gets more and more frustrating. They finally throws up his hands and he puts the game. And they ask me like Tito, did you write a new program? How did you? How'd you beat him this time? And he said Karami is mission was to beat me. My mission was to stay in the game. And when you want to stay in the game, you will pass up obvious opportunities in order to lengthen your potential, and if you're in the minority, you're not always going to be able to win fact, it's typically in the title that you're not gonna have a sufficient amount of resources. What I took from that. Is that the job is to just redefine what victory looks like? Sometimes victory is simply outlasting the other guy. Yeah. Just going to be the last one standing now in the last week or so you have met with both Chuck Schumer end, Joe Biden, not bad. I have to say, I know that Schumer wants you to run for Senate in Georgia and Biden, if the rumors are to be believed might want you to be on the ticket as his running mate, probably sooner than later. Can you tell us anything about what you and Biden talked about it that lunch with more than eight of the I think till eight maybe nine if he included found call tux running for president those who declared haven't declared this yo for for twenty twenty. Okay. And I'm pleased to meet with everyone the conversation with vice president Biden was fantastic. We had a really good conversation. This was not part of our conversation. Okay. So being a running mate never came up. We talk. About the responsibilities of running for office. We talked about what are the two passions for me, one fighting voter suppression in to fighting for Georgia and making sure door is a battleground state, and we had other conversations, but the rumors are not true. Okay. The rumors are not true. And have you been at all heartened by the number of people who've actually come out, including I think an op-ed in the Washington Post, saying don't take it. If it's on the table, don't take Stacy. I appreciate the passionate energy that people have around my future. And I hope they still feel that way. Once I decide with that future supposed to be. Yeah. Well, a couple of months ago, you became the first African American woman to give the democratic response to the president's state of the union the contrast between you and President Trump could not have been more glaring. You know, Trump who is not very good when he's on a teleprompter came off as very flat and lifeless and was trying out war veterans, and holocaust, survivors, and everything. But you know, a basket a puppy. Then you came on. And you know, you just talk to people like a real human being about real things that matter to people's daily lives, depending on what you decide to do next. Would that be pretty good preview of what a national campaign might look like I I would argue that how I've always operated whether I was running for student council or? I ran for vice president student body at Spelman, college and Iran impart campaigning for to play toilet paper for every student in the college, which yes because certain dorms got one ply toilet paper in other dorms that were considered fancier got to ply. I lived in a two ply dorm. But I had friends who are in one play dorms. And for me, it was a real issue because. Why would why we have that inequity, but more importantly, you have to use more. And so it to me was an important issue. Not life changing, but critical and when I ran for when I ran for the legislature, actually ran as technocrat so I was running against someone who'd been in office and someone else who was from that community. I couldn't argue that I had either of those experiences, but I understood how government worked, and so I let people ask me the most pedestrian questions, miss parochial things. Because people you're you're being hired for a job. And they need to know, you know, how to do that job the job of giving the state of the union response was the job of speaking for people who wanted the leader of their country to hear their worries but also to hear their aspirants. And I was asked to do it at a time where we had failed as a nation because that leader it used his political hubris to deny people paychecks and that meant medicines at MIT have. Access to gas at meant food on the table. I stood in a line handing out food to people who were protecting our country. They needed me to tell their story. And so no matter what I run for. I remember that I'm doing a job, and that job is speaking for people whose voices are often not heard, and I wonder if there's some significance to the fact that you were the first non incumbent person to give the response to a state of the union since the state of the union began being televised or maybe even farther back than that. I'm not sure believe I'm the first not private citizen to ever get to the state of the union response. I mean, given that the DNC could have picked an incumbent or could have picked someone who had just come on the heels of a big victory in twenty eighteen. What do you think is the significance of that? You think maybe that where you're coming from appealed to the people who are probably feeling a little bit despondent and felt very defeated after twenty sixteen when leader Schumer and speaker Pelosi tapped me for it. I got the newsroom. Senator Chuck Schumer what he said was that it was unanimous decision. And he had the it was his year to pick. And he he picked me. But. What I took from the conversation. And what I took from that moment is it. Yes, I had a very difficult campaign one that was rife with regularities and with voters only voter suppression. But with language that was deeply disheartening. I mean, I had an opponent. Who thought it was fun to Amos shotgun at a kid to call to say he was going to round people up in his truck and deport them who dehumanized communities who swore? He would strip women of their bodily autonomy, bypassing the restrictive abortion laws in the nation who wanted to reinforce legislation that would harm the LGBTQ community. He was a man, and he had a campaign that was about the exact same things we're seeing on a national level. And even though I did not become governor my success in that campaign. And how we transform the electorate engaged people. I think was part of what they. Wanted to see which is we may be down. But we are not out and their victories are temporary and federal, but our successes can be permanent. If we remember why we're doing it. Even though in the end, according to the math of it you lost by I think, maybe a one point four points something like that you actually said a number of records for a democrat running in that state, and after all the votes were tallied on November sixteenth, that's ten days after the election. You gave what some called a non concession speech? And in your book, you say that quote, you refuse to play the part because the system had been rigged. Why do you believe that the system had been rigged based on what you saw because I ran against a cartoon villain. I ran against the secretary of state who at the time he was a candidate for governor still managing the election process. He was basically the referee the score keeper. Yeah. And the team the home team. That's none. Early unfair. It is in constant with what we call a democracy and the Renault systems to force him to stop and he shockingly was able to win. But in his tenure secretary of state he had he managed to purge more than one point four million voters. He led administration of election supervision that close to under fourteen precincts. He intentionally reinstituted a racially discriminatory system that federal judge chided him for that when applied captured fifty three thousand people ninety percent of whom are people of color seventy percent of whom are black. He oversaw system that saw one of the highest rates of rejection of absentee ballots all of the things that you can think of that would constitute voter suppression. He put into one big basket and delivered in that election. So yes, it was rigged. I cannot prove empirically that I would have won every vote that was not cast and. That's the hardest part. Isn't it? You know, you just there's no way that you'll ever be able to know whether you really want or not just never know a pretty good guess it's particularly of purchase about six hundred thousand right before he threw his name into the hat to run for governor. And if you look at the the profile of those they were unlikely to be kept voters, but but let's put that aside. My responsibility is not to go back in time and be the Victor Meyer responsibilities to fight to make certain no one else has to question. Whether the fight was fair that is why I do this. And that is why I refused to concede because we have to get beyond this notion that by eleven pm on Tuesday night. We know what has happened. We have to have a peaceful transfer of power. But sometimes that power transfer has to be delayed until we know that the process was right. And I know how passionate you are about voting rights when the left. Talks about this sort of thing. They talk about voting rights and the right talks about voter fraud when someone like President Trump makes accusations of election, rigging and a legal voting problems with phony voter ID's or the lack of voter ID's. How do you interpret those words, do you think he's deliberately trying to disenfranchise certain groups? Do you think there's a racist undertone to that? Yes. Voter fraud is a lie. It does not exist. Typically, what is called voter fraud actually tends to be voter confusion. We have a nation of fifty states where literally the democracy changes from state to state. What is lawful in one state? You can cross a border, and suddenly what was perfectly reasonable for twenty five years of your voting. Practice is now unlawful what has been found by people on every side of the aisle who've really studied this voter fraud doesn't really occur. We have a voter problem. We don't have enough people voting people. Aren't you standing in line and putting on masks and sunglasses and wigs to vote more than once? But we do have a voter suppression problem, and that has been baked into the DNA of our country the differences that when President Trump talks about voter fraud. Would he is arguing are things that are made up there is absolutely no evidence. And we know there's no evidence because he convened an expert panel that disbanded his because they could not find evidence, whereas we have reams of evidence of voter suppression. We know there's suppression because in the wake of the evisceration of section five of the Voting Rights Act, nineteen states immediately took actions that they had been prohibited from taking for thirty years, and it had the direct end completely predictable effect of diminishing the power of votes, particularly among communities of color, marginalized communities. That's why suppression Israel. We know it happens because they're passing laws to make it so solving problems that don't exist except for one which is that people are voting who aren't going to vote for them. We're gonna take a quick break. And then I'll be back with more with Stacey Abrams. When we come back in just a minute. If there's something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from cheating. Your goals better. Help online counseling can help. Better. Help offers licensed professional counselors who are specialized in issues such as depression anxiety relationships. Trauma anger family conflicts, LGBT matters, grief, self esteem and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe and private online environment and get help at your own time. And at your own pace, anything you share is confidential. And it's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone sessions as well as Chattan text with your therapist. If for some reason, you're not happy with your counselor though, you can request a new one at any time for no additional charge. Best of all, it's a truly affordable option. Kick ass news listeners. Even get ten percent off your first month with the discount code kick. So. So why not get started today? Go to better help dot com slash kick. Then simply fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with a counselor. You'll love that's better help dot com slash kick. And now back to the show. I know that you've spent your entire career really fighting for underdogs and talking about fairness and inequality, and it all in many ways goes back to this turning point in your life. That thrust you into politics when you were still in college it came in the days following the Rodney King verdict when Bryant's began in cities all over the country, particularly in Atlanta's well where you were going to college. What did you see in that moment that inspired you to start speaking out? I grown up in a family that was very committed to social Justice. My parents made certain that we volunteered, but that we also protested, and so I wasn't new to engagement. I wasn't new to activism, but I was new to politics as a student. I had been attending city council meetings. I knew I knew the city I understood how city hall worked, but to watch city hall, turn on my fellow students and on its own community and to presume that action and not engage. Gauge was enraging to me. I ended up going down to a town hall meeting with then mayor inner Jackson had a. Bit of a tete-a-tete a little bit of a disagreement about his role as mayor and safe to say that you let him have it would that be oversight was polite. But I was in Sistan. Okay. I had the zeal of an eighteen year old freshmen, Hulu everything. And you know, I was I was right on a number of issues. I was wrong and other ways, but what I learned in that moment. And what was reinforced for me six months later was that by calling him on it? He actually thought about it. And he invited me a few months later to become the first employee of the office of these services, a newly created office for the city, and that for me was really the point of entry because activism was something. I knew activism was something. I'd grown up with but politics was different. And being at the city being in charge of conversations about gang violence and youth engagement that gave me a different perspective. But also it let me see that. What for me was top of mind every day for people in? Charge and people in power they weren't concerned about our communities. They they weren't waking up every day worried about what was going to happen. And that led me to understand that I had a responsibility to never forget that. That's what I need to wake up thinking about. And I think that that's when you also decide you wanted to be mayor of Atlanta and follow in his footsteps, right? So a few months later, I had a very bad break up with someone who was mean to me and told me that I wasn't spending enough time with him. He probably was right. And he made these very uncharitable comments about my teacher life. And so I decided to show him that I was going to be in charge of everything one day. And he would rue the day. He was meeting me broke up with me. He would regret it. And so I told him parking tickets and pulled over it was I write very complicated novels. In this case, I did a spreadsheet where I laid out all the things I want to accomplish in one of them was to be mayor because that was the highest office that I thought I could attain in the near term where I could really make the change, and I had some longer term ambitions. I my spreadsheet took me out to the age of sixty eight. But mayor was the job. I thought about certain point you decided that it wasn't the Bill in dole, which your mind. I'm driven by a desire to address not only inequality poverty. It is economically inefficient is immoral and it's a waste of human capital. And I think it's solvable for a long time. I thought it had to happen at the city level. But what I saw working for the mayor in ninety three was different than what happened when I went back in two thousand three as deputy city attorney there. I saw a mayor who put forward the very legislation. I'd always wanted to see. And it was batted down by the state, the governor and the state legislature could say no and throat, the ambition of good, and that to me crystallized what I'd been thinking about which was that. Yes. The mayors are important but mayors without good governors could not be effective as effective as they need to be. And so it became my mission to be governor. And I'd been thinking about it for few years, but that really crystallized it for me. And that was when I decided I would run for governor of Georgia, and once you were running for governor Georgia there was actually an article for Cosmo where you got some flack after that from the Republican governors association for daring to say that you might actually want to run for president to achieve the goals that you set for yourself. Do you think a woman of color is discouraged from being open about their ambitions in a way that we don't do to say Mitt Romney or Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders in this? I think it's not just women of color, women, writ large and as. A woman of color in particular because for women larger discouraged for women of color. It's all Messina's an absurdist idea. And it's one of the reasons I am continuing to keep my name in and my ideas in the conversation about the presidency, even now, but at the moment. Political ambition for women's the one space where it is revolting to have this conversation, if you are in the mail room and decide that Wedneday you want to run the company if you're a man, you are celebrated that's a great thing to want to do. And if your guy who thinks you you have a good hair day, and you should be president. There you go. If you're woman, there's something unseemly about the emission. And you're supposed to hide it like you goal tending his pressures. You're supposed to it's not supposed to be something that is seen in known. And I reject that. Because how can I ask other people especially other women to try for more when I'm afraid to say out loud. What it is I want, and I have to say, I really feel for you. Because as specially as a black woman in power, you talk about the difficulty of the balancing act that you have to do in terms of not reinforcing negative stereotypes on both ends of the spectrum. I in fact, in your own words, you say you don't wanna be Chanina. But you also don't want to be uncle, Tom. How do you walk that tight rope? You have to be thoughtful an intentional. I am part of what we would like to believe is. So is that you walk into a space is your authentic self and as long as you were wholly who you are. It's one that's wonderful as long as you're walking into a room alone. The minute other people are present it's like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in physics, the mayor presence of something else, transforms whatever it is. You thought you had and who you are. And so you're the first politician every is it. Meinert them run. Steve sorry. I digress. No. I appreciate it. But the the the challenge then is you have to recognize that part of your responsibilities to create space for others. And that means figuring out the parts of yourself that are so immutable as to be non-negotiable and then working on everything else. So I'm an introvert. I do not enjoy going out. I'm unlikely to remember to ask you how your day was or how your dog is. So I have to practice, and I have to create systems to communicate what you get from that. Because if I'm being superficial my assumption is you just want me to talk to you. But what you're really asking. For is. Do you see me? And do you care about the things that do care about me? And do you care about what's happening to me? That's what people want. And so my responsibility was to figure out how do I communicate my concern without changing who I am because I'm not going to go to the bar. And I'm not going to stand around chatting because I'm not good at I don't want. The same thing is true in every other facet whether in politics or in business or in the nonprofit space. It's figuring out what parts of yourself are. So holy yours that they cannot change. But then figuring out what parts of yourself. You can adapt. So that other people can get to know this parts of you that are the most important one of the rules that you preach in lead from the outside is don't deal with jerks, and that was sort of your mantra in the private sector when you had a consulting group of how do you get anything done in politics? If you're not willing to do with it deal with Jerry's how does that work? So when I say jerks part of it is don't deal with people who devalue dehumanize do not deal with people who think that they're. They're person hood is more valuable and relevant than your own which given the state of politics. These days is about fifty percent of the people you're likely to deal with you would think, and okay, let's say about thirty twenty. It's about twenty five percent. Because part of what I found was that one of the reasons we described people as jerks is because we don't bother to get to know them. We see a superficial behavior, and we presume that that behaviors directed at us. And so I made it my mission to not only get to know, my colleagues and my members is leader. I had to get to know the other side and became good friends with someone who was so far to the right? He and I agreed that there was a bible. We did not agree on the number of pages. We certainly didn't agree with everything that was in it. But we could talk to each other. And in that space while I still vehemently disagreed with him on almost every ideological principle possible. I understood that it wasn't that. He was devaluing me. It was that. He did not understand me. And my job was to make sure I understood him. And so I was. Very effective as leader in part because I could work with Democrats and Republicans I could work on issues that I did not where I did not hold common cause in part because I didn't let it become so personalized now there were people for whom it was personal. And I would not deal with them. One of them was someone who's actually former democratic colleague who switched parties and in the process did so by pushing anti choice legislation that harmed women, and I made it my mission to make sure he never returned to the house of representatives. I helped a Republican get elected in his stead because he was a jerk and he needed to go home. Speaking of jerks, you know, the downside of getting all this attention that you've been getting over the past week is no, sir. Do you get mentioned alongside Biden's name? But then Fox News comes out questioning, your nonprofit groups expenditures, you say in the book that you're kind of used to that sort of thing by now, do you think successful women and minorities received more financial scrutiny than a white man in a similar position? Absolutely, not only do we receive more scrutiny. But we are also never given the benefit of its I've been benefit the doubt we are presumed guilty and part of the responsibility is one to be able to disprove the assignation of guilt. But the other is to not allow it to serve its purpose. Which is to stop us from action. Fact, the group that filed the, you know, completely frivolous claim with IRS, they know I've done nothing wrong. Even the reporter acknowledges that there is no actual wrongdoing. But when you start questions you start to start. Out. And that's the goal. The goal is to not only make others doubt me it's to make me doubt, myself and to doubt, whether it's worth going through this will someone who had a conversation about my brothers, drug use my personal debt and every ever foible. I have by and large. You're not going to get me out of this. Because you reference what I know to be a false claim of private Norman, I'm a really good tax attorney. I know. Yes. Forgot about that. So I I know what we've done. I know what we haven't done in. What we have not done is not only not break any laws, but we've been the most transparent group. I announced what we were doing. I announced how we were going to do it. And we have a raft of lawyers making sure we do it. Right. Every single day. I can imagine that your schedule is so hectic that it's hard to have a personal life, and you reference the old boyfriend who said that to you. And that was before you even got into politics, but apparently you practice instead of work life balance something called work-life Jenga. Yes. Maybe a misunderstanding the game. But in Django sooner. Or later, the whole tower comes toppling down Brown does it. Absolutely. And so does work life balance. And that's the point work like balance is a lie. Nothing is that balance. Nothing is ever so perfectly symmetrical that you can keep it all you cannot create that kind of equilibrium. We could talk about entropy and chaos theory. The reality is work life Jenga says you're going to build it up as strong as you can. And you're going to start pulling out this pieces knowing that it's going to fall apart. But the beauty of Jiang is you can just build a new tower. And so for me the responsibilities to think through pulling out the pieces that you need, but be prepared for the whole thing to come crashing down. And get ready to build the next one use the lessons. You learned from the first time and get better at it. Okay. So when the tower comes down that's not the end of the war. Of course, not pick yourself up and start up. Exactly. And eventually learn to date. Is that a consideration these days it is? I look I've stopped dating a while ago. Because I wasn't good at it. And when I'm not good at stuff, I tend to just I admit it and move on. I probably shouldn't have given up so easily. And so I am I am trying to take more time to build that part of my myself because I think. It enlarge as you. When you have to share your space when you have to share your your life with someone and I would like to try it that something I have not tried before. Absolutely. So someone you probably wouldn't agree with on most things Dennis Prager. Once told me that the marriage in finding a partner is the most profound growth experience of your adult life. I've never had to share books or television. Those are going to be hard things to do. Yeah. Speaking of books. I'm sure that the the fans of your romance novels will be happy to know that you're considering or look you're out there you're available. I have done sufficient amount of of of theoretical investigation. I have run simulations. And so now, it's time to try it myself before we go as the political stakes get higher and higher for you is romance writing put on hold for the time being it is I wrote my last novel published last one in two thousand nine my publisher offered me a new contract, but I just become democratic leader. And there is no way. Too. I found that my work life jangled did not allow for that piece because the jobs that I have before me while writing will always be a part of who I am. And what I do that phase right now for me has to sit. I'll get back to it. And I've got a teenage superhero novel them ready to finish to I've got a lot of books out there. But right now, I'm working on fixing democracy. In the meantime, folks, can get your book lead from the outside how to build your future and make real change Stacey Abrams. Thanks so much for talking with. Thank you for having me this has been delightful. Thanks again to Stacey Abrams for coming on the show. What are her book lead from the outside? How to build your future and make real change on Amazon. Audible her wherever books are sold. Learn more about Stacy's voting rights group. Fair fight action at fair fight action dot com and follow her on Twitter at at Stacey Abrams. Whatever struggles you're facing from depression and anxiety to trauma in grief better. Help can connect you with a professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. It's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone sessions as well as chat or text with your therapist and anything you share is completely confidential. Best of all, it's a truly affordable option. Kick ass. News listeners can even get ten percent off your first month with the discount code kick. So why not get started simply go to better? Help dot com slash kick. And fill out a questionnaire to get match with a counselor. You'll love today. Be sure to subscribe to kick ass news on apple podcasts, if you haven't already, and if you like what you're hearing than rate and review us while you're there five star reviews or the easiest way for new listeners to find us. 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Communications skills diminished by excessive screen time

The Science Show

16:11 min | 2 years ago

Communications skills diminished by excessive screen time

"This is the son show, the evidences, you've gotta have friends one of the most extraordinarily things. I think to have emerged out of the woodwork. The lost ten maybe fifteen years has been the torrent of evidence showing that these single factor that best predicts your health, your well, being your ability to survive recover from surgery. The chances of you dying is one factor Mon fighter in his the number and quality of friendships you have. New that didn't you? But what about all those screens phones e- connections of a helping harming your friendships? This extraordinary animation was made by Rhonda Jenga of Perth when he was seventeen and it's to be played at an international science, film and television congress in Brisbane next week. Welcome to the real world. Don't put down your devices or else might notice your it. Social media is plenty and online cornucopia seven billion. Just like you. Welcome. The new age a digital life. Man is married to WI fi. And why? Where you're obsessed with appearance going days without eating. Relying on others to keep your second. Baby's plugged in one billable boards and kids on the alphabet from laptop keyboard? I feed you. Fuel you control. Forever in your palm. And. Arin? Since the invention of the second. We you've gone from strolling to scrolling you're going outside less. Some of you are gaining weight. Why enjoy the world using the retinas of your eyes when you can use your laptop with retina display, we see you becoming more like. With every day. Android using Android. Batteries battery in a soul. Blame technology. Jay device. Text. The I. Going to the world. Whatever in your head don't shoot the messenger. Snail mail is dead. Instagram filters your faults in your floors as you Boskin approval behind closed doors. It's all for display for presentation for sex of validation. Checked validation like morphine and is. Why? His what cheese is demise. We're coming full circle. Language decline. The I cloud has no silver ninety. Social media is plenty and online cornucopia seven billion sheep. It sounds just like this top high rainier cold about to be played at the world, congress of science and factual produces in Brisbane next week. Rodeo was seventeen when he made that watch the film through the link on the BBC sanctuary website. Now, he's at Curtin university in Perth. So what does professor Robin Dunbar, professor of evolutionary psychology, Oxford thinkable that I think the issue with digital technology in particular as valuable as that is the essence of it goes back to the fact that we have to devote a huge about time during childhood and teenage to learning the skills, we need living in these large complex, social groups. I mean, we're not talking about. Mega-cities or anything in terms of size like that with about your ordinary standard social network that you live in about somewhere between one hundred two hundred people extended friends and family that seems to require a huge investment of time probably in the order of twenty five years birth the skills, you require to find tune your behavioral responses, and how you handle the dynamic complexity of relationships seems to extremely difficult. So yes, we need a big brain for it a big, computer. But somehow we have to put in a huge amount to soft land surfed way comes effectively in the playground. People. Tell you stuff. This is the right way to do things. The reality is you have to experience a lot of this stuff in order becomes ill. Now that's house the world normally works what the worry is with the current younger generation presumably ungracious to come. Some is spending so much time online than not really getting that experience in the sandpits of life, and the whole point about the Sampit of life is when somebody kicks and in your face, you cannot get out you just have to find a way of dealing with it you have to learn the skills handing that negotiating the diplomacy to get by and carry on living in the Sampit now out of the Sampit and on your mobile device if somebody kicks sand in your face by being moved to order, but maybe you can just pull the plug on them. You never have to learn the skills because then physically in front of you. You don't have to talk to them again trolls. Well, trolls an interesting case in point because it's very clear that in real life standing in front of somebody seeing the whites of their eyes. If you like has a major fact on how we respond to something seven. Says how we say things when we're telling stories, so I begin to tell you a story, which I think hilariously funny all extremely rude about somebody else. And I get the immediate feedback from the changing expression on your face, or even just your is indicating that this is not going in the right place. So at that point I can switch the story to avoid causing a problem. Whereas what seems to happen online is people just hit the buttons put down what they think is in their mind and press sent without a second salt when you clearly ought to read said again, I made sure it was appropriate. And the result is flaming were still trolling type behavior way deliberately targeting people and saying things you would never ever say to them face to face. It's it's exactly the same as road rage. The tin can urine seems to set you off foreign from the person you have just been engaged with when you hit their car, or they hit yours that you just go into automated mode and say things or do things which had you been standing actually in front of the time. You would have just pulled back at the last minute and never done. So there is a big issue about the whole oranges that that distance that it places on this from those interact with has serious Malkhaz occurrences. Well, I know you're working on aspects of friendship of talked about that in the past nasc- grilling has written about friendship, and if you think about it if we weren't built to have friendship over many years keeping the village together we wouldn't have built civilization. And so even though it may seem a bit of an odd thing to study, if you're scientists nonetheless, it's highly significant isn't it, and it's easy to think from what you say with that separation of people from normal friendship life that you can infer that all those figures we see all the time about people being more depressed. When surprisingly they have more than they should be happy as anything that are consequences. There are very serious consequences. Not just in the session. I mean, the fact that people are not learning social skills, handling this companies, obviously has consequences for the way the state works on the larger scale, but these things also have massive consequences. Few one. Of the most extrordinary things I think to have emerged out of the woodwork. The lost ten maybe fifteen years has been the torrent of evidence showing that these single factor that best predicts your health, your well, being your ability to survive recover from surgery. The chances of you dying is one factor among fighter alone, his the number and quality of friendships, you have as a very very nice study of hundred forty eight studies of heart attack patients, I like it because the outcome measure they using is absolutely finally what acted your chances. Whether or not you survive for the next twelve months after your heart attack, you first and the thing that came out of the list on this compilation of one hundred forty eight different studies, so many tens of thousands of subjects who contributed was the quality of your friendships. Second only to that was giving smoking. Everything else. How much alcohol you drank how much she slob about didn't take any exercise the medicines. They put you on even the quality of the way, we live had much much less influence, and it was extraordinary. It's just one of many many examples that have emerged in the last decade. But what about status because the Michael mama did the Whitehall study looking public servants and the higher the status along you live and the healthier you were. Yes, that's true. This is not. Hey, there aren't other factors 'cause even heart attack patients how much alcohol you drank. Oh, how fat you were made some contribution. But the contribution was small relative to the effect of the number of friends. You have I think the problem is Indy's oldest that is such as the study by Michael Mahmut on civil servants at that point. Nobody had realized how important friendship was. I mean, literally, this is stuff. We've only just found out about in the last ten or fifteen years and you've been doing research on this. We have been interested in the process involved in creating bonding friendships, and again, the extension of that communities how communities upon what we have done a couple of studies which have been based on national surveys, looking at the correlations between the frequency of the people go to old style community pubs their local in other words, where they know everybody there, and they know this off, and they have a good chat and sit around, and they don't have to drink a lot of beer, they talk to people comparing that with people who just go to drinking dens and get smashed and talk to people. And again, we did it with communal eating. How often do you have dinners with friends and people and in both cases, the more. You did of these two is the more frequently went to your local and the more frequently headset dinners. The happy you described yourself. The more contented you with your life as it was the mole worth while you felt your life to be the more engaged. You felt you were in the local community you live and the more you trusted, your members of your local community, even strangers. So they're always knock on consequences of these kind of social activities that we enjoy doing which are not only good for your general wellbeing and seems your health, but also extremely good for the community is hope because they create this sense of community. You know that we're all belong to. And we'll help each other out and time requires it. I'm going to try something. Now, finally, which it will get into trouble because it came from the top in the that if we liked work that somebody else had done, we should send them smiling card could Larry card young trampled. Larry was big face big mouth grinning, what I tend to do if I like something that. Someone else colleagues done. I get up off my bam. I walked down the card tap him on the shows that was bloody marvellous. Usually. Quite pleased enough. I know you're scientists don't necessarily someone who's going to plan how cities work and how villages work for Theresa May. She's still around by the time, we broadcast this. What would you recommend? We think of in terms of that real physical nature of how we live how villages grown house of suburbs. Designed and so on should we take those factors into consideration? Oh, I think there's nothing like seeing the whites of people's eyes to make a difference. I'm absolutely convinced for what we know about immigration ships. Otherwise, clearly, the success of Facebook and social media has been there allow relationships to keep ticking over when you can't actually go round the corner in and sit down have a beer with. But I think that's all it's doing just slowing the rate of decay down that sooner or later, if you don't get together and see the whites of their eyes. Nothing on a nothing even Facebook to stop that relationship was once a good friendship just becoming an acquaintance ship. Somebody sent a Christmas card to maybe. And that's it. So there is nothing really adequate or suitable to replace a cloud on the shown and a beer. On. Rome. Written by a form ABC point way back and made famous by slim, dusty, Robin Dunbar is professor of evolutionary psychology at maudlin college in Oxford, the son show on our end.

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Manage Your Message with Dr. Heidi Jannenga

Ignition Point

16:13 min | 1 year ago

Manage Your Message with Dr. Heidi Jannenga

"Welcome to ignition points. The show. That's here to get you fired up and ready to win the week looking. Amplify your mindset with a fresh perspective. You're in the right place. He what's going on. I'm Stephen Miller and this is the show that gets you fired up and ready to win the week before we dive in. I want to remind you that throughout this month my guest tonight or sharing perspectives on identity and communication -cation including this episode. We've got to episodes left to close out twenty nineteen before we take a week off for the holidays but trust me. You don't WanNa miss these shows. I'm so excited to introduce see to these special guests. So be sure to fall. Show wherever your podcasts to be notified when new episodes drop by. Now you've probably got a good feel for where identity and storytelling overlap. So today I wanNA talk about the skills that separate good communicators from great communicators. Of course the two skills. I'm talking about our knowing your audience and communicating your value. But when you stack these skills you're able to manage your message the way you manage your message determines whether or not your messages received how it's remembered and whether or not it resonates but what drives me crazy is. These skills are overlooked all the time. That's why to really drive these points home. I've enlisted the help of the CO founder and Chief Clinical Officer of Web. PT Dr Heidi Jenga where bt gives every rehab therapy business and end to end solution designed specifically to maximize performance revenue in patient outcomes since starting to the back of a coffee shop in two thousand eight Heidi has taken web pt through several milestones including multiple funding rounds by acquisitions wins in seven times honored in Inc five thousand fast forwarding to now web. PT Supports over eighty five thousand members and more than fifteen thousand practices. It can be found in all fifty states as chief clinical officer. Heidi advises the company's Strategic Direction and product innovation from what. He's absolutely one of the most bad ass offices I've ever stepped into with. She's Inter out of the office. She also advocates for profession and is respected as an international subject matter expert. Who's earned some really high praise? Some of her honors have included Recognition Phoenix Business Journal's most admired leader one of health data managements most powerful women in it easy Tech Council's business leader of the year a finalist for Ernst and Young's entrepreneur of the year and one of the most influential women in business. I am so excited to welcome to the show. So let's get after it here to give your thoughts on how you can manage your message. This is Dr Heidi Geneva. I think that it. It's absolutely incredible to understand how to manage your message but also an audience that is incorporated into what we call your brand hand of who you are and what you represent knowing that audience is essential to really building inauthentic professional relationship at any stage. Give your career. Whether you're an entrepreneur. You're an entry level employee into a new business. It's all about relationships and it's about building connections with people people and at the heart of that is building trust and from previous experience for me. You know switching careers which I had to do. I started started out as a physical therapist and then jumped into the SAS industry having to understand the different audiences in an how to communicate with them Were really really important. I remember a meeting that I had when I was physical therapist and I had just been starting out working for this new boss. Listen I had gone to meet with him a few different times he had given me a few projects to do. And every time I seem to walk out of his office I would think to myself. Alf Gosh my boss just hates me and that that would just enter my head whenever I would go in and talk to him and walk out of the office in never really understood understood why I felt like we didn't seem to connect. I got lots of promotions. I got lots of accolades but I just felt like I never really had that connection and that I was looking for as I have evolved as a leader. I have come to really learn that. In fact he didn't really hate me. He just really had a different type of communication style than I did. And I have learned over time that in order to become an extraordinary connector with people I I. It's really critical to understand your own voice your own value that you come to the table with and once you are comfortable in your own skin doc in it will then become clear how to really understand others. I can't tell you how important it is to take a moment to go through through this type of reflective analysis and there's lots of tools out there to be able to do these assessments such as Myers Briggs which some may say day as the gold standard. We've used strength finders in the past as well with a lot of success it allows us to have sort of this shared language of understanding each each other's personalities and how to actually better communicate with each other. I'm sure we've all heard the term fake it till we make it and I think that it only only leads to short term positive effects and if authenticity is not part of that conversation trust is not something that will bring any kind of merit to that relationship. I really feel like a true leader with influence starts at a place of vulnerability. I'm a huge fan of doctor. Bernie Brown who famously said in one of her Ted talks. Gulnara is our most accurate measure of courage. I I think that's a great place to start. That common. Language of vulnerability is why people are able to connect and the authenticity and vulnerability. Portion is is why that becomes so important. Because you might pull the wool over. There is the first few times but people see through bullshit when people can relate to you on a personal L. level really drives the ability to gain loyalty especially as you continue to grow as an organization and the culture evolves over our time as an example. We share our company financials whether it be good or bad with the entire company so that every single person person feels like they are involved and are a part of the success of the organization in crafting. Any message is should really have have multiple parts. So you need to think about your audience. You need to think about how they're going to receive the information you need to think about the position that you're holding in which you're giving the message and finally the implications of what the message has on the audience whether it be positive or negative. We've had to make some very tough decisions along the way as we've grown as a company a good example of that is when we. He made the tough decision to outsource some of the transactional work that meant that we had to lay off about a third of our workforce in that team having to make that decision was difficult but once we made it. We set out a plan that I can truly say. We were proud of as a leadership team. We gave all the people that we would have to let go nine months notice. We gave them stay bonuses if they were willing to stay in and walk through what we needed them to do over the next nine months which was actually training their replacements but through that nine months we also brought in resume writers. Here's we brought in dress for success to allow them if they needed to go on interviews during that time that they would have awesome outfits to where we had three three different job fairs in our office of companies locally that had job opportunities that were similar to the ones we were letting go and we were happy to say that we had all twenty three of those people placed in positions before it was time for them to leave in my example. The implications were very negative coming to them with a message. That was going to be completely unexpected. Had to be done in a way that was true to values staying consistent to those core values and demonstrating that we were consistent allowed people to continue to trust because has they saw that. It was a struggle that it was a difficult decision and that we truly did it based on our values we've dropped a few the quotes here but my Angelou also hasn't one of my favorite quotes. The gist of it is that people will not remember what you said. But they'll remember how you made them feel for those that are new to how to craft a message in. What is the best way to do that? Whether that's in a one on one conversation or it's a public speaking opportunity. I think the priority actually Lens on the audience that you're sending the message into so my last lesson is understanding. Your audience shouldn't be a skill set. That remains only with you. Heart of of being a leader is being able to help and teach others and I think it's important that young leaders understand the opportunities for growth and how they can expand ban their influence both within the company and with those they are starting to network with I think too often people always his associate leadership with having to manage people and that's totally not true. There are many many great leaders out there who pretty much suck at leading people but they are great at building relationships and leading in other ways but for those who are in management positions. You have the opportunity as a manager to manage your employees but also to manage up. I think that this is an incredible heart that we don't think about sometimes being able to build relationships with those leaders above you making sure that you have those opportunities to build partnerships and communicate the value that you are adding to the business adding to your team as you look at the trajectory of your goals within an organization and even beyond that making sure that you have others advocating on your behalf who are supporting you and singing your praises to others as you try to move up the proverbial riverview ladder just one point on that. I am not actually a huge advocate of the ladder. A huge advocate of what we call the jungle gym where broadening your skillset early in your career can add to your tool belt to then have more opportunities for higher levels of leadership and management if you interviewed a bunch of CEOS CEOS from successful organisations. What you will mostly find is? They've jumped around and had experience whether it's operationally as a COO. Before they became chief executive officer so this journey in lots of lessons along the way all easily boils down to trust I and relationship building whether you want to command trends move up in your organization or have your voice be heard you need need to pay attention to the way you manage your message just as Heidi said that's gotTa start with knowing your natural communication style and allowing yourself to add personality authenticity into the mix but but in a lot of ways this invokes. We focused on last week in building brand identity slits put our attention toward tailoring. Your message audience. Would I would keep in mind is that you can't just use your standard playbook whether you're speaking to a group were an individual you need to modify in very messaging based on your audience. This all starts with answering a single question. What is your audience care about? If it's a group you need to look at things. Like what their collective goals are what unites them would divides them and would stories. They can best relate to consider what Heidi said about managing up in this situation. You're used to speaking to your peers or a team that you manage the way you manage your message with them. Takes an informal delivery Korea and often looks at things like tasks and current goals. Because you're focused on progressing tactically when you pivot your messaging to higher ups and people who rely on your follow through you you have to formalize your delivery and talk about how your team is moving the strategic vision forward. Now if you're talking one on one with an individual you still keep in mind what they care about but it. It takes a little bit more finesse. You need a crafter message to meet their needs consider their perceptions and identify. What makes them who they are? You've got to answer questions. Like how is their culture shape their perceptions what influences have shaped them. What are their strengths and their preferred communication styles? Where are they coming from questions like these help? You define what makes your audience unique once. You've got a profile of who they are and what they care about. You can shape your message to what they are most receptive of two while avoiding what might put them off or lose their interest thinking about giving your message the same type of treatment. You give your photos before you post them on instagram. But start by thinking of your audience. I'd be willing to bet. Your audience has a natural preference for one or two filters probably Juno or GAM. So you gotTa make sure you put your message through one of those two filters then you can find tune the message before you share it to make it really memorable ultimately when you tailor your message to your audience and communicate your value. You elevate your impact potential and have more opportunities to build relationships. I'd like to give a big thank you to Heidi Geneva for contributing to this week. Show have you ever heard about stem. Education stem stands for science technology. Engineering and math and in today's era of innovation stem skills are now found in in nearly every industry and are vital for problem solving critical thinking communication and collaboration. Heidi believes that all those skills and what we talked about today should really be taught beginning at a young age and stem. Education helps with these skills while organizations like girls in Tech Galvanize in Arizona Science Center or doing great work in Stan Webb. PT Has sponsored a Web PT storefront at junior achievement. Biz Town so that kids can learn more about stem careers at web. PT's Biz town location. Students learn what it's like to be a graphic designer a software engineer or an entrepreneur if you would like to support stem education or learn. More about the storefronts you can check out junior achievement of Arizona at j. a easy dot org but if you'd like to connect with Heidi go check out this episode show notes decisively dot com slash ignition point there you'll find links to our social accounts her her contact info and more bonus content. If you enjoyed this episode please share the show with someone you think would help. And if you're listening on apple podcasts. I really appreciate it if you leave a review for the show. Otherwise you're always. Welcome to send your thoughts feedback to me directly by emailing Stephen at decisive leap dot com new episodes of ignition point or available every Monday. So be sure to fall all the show wherever your podcasts. But if you've got questions about brand messaging or personal branding. I help businesses and individuals with their brands and had loved to help you with yours. You can and find out more about my processing services by visiting decisive leap dot com or you can always reach me directly by emailing Stephen at decisive leap dot com. Well that's going to do it for for this episode so stay motivated and keep moving forward. If you put in the hard work right now. One day you could be the one motivating the world with your story. I'll look forward to speaking with you next time on another ignition point. Now get on out there and win the week.

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Streaming In Place: Lucifer S04E04 with LaToya Ferguson

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29:46 min | 5 months ago

Streaming In Place: Lucifer S04E04 with LaToya Ferguson

"Televise. Streaming. Hello, everybody and welcome to a very special streaming in place There's GONNA be a couple of those this week. But this one's a very special streaming place because it is our one, hundred episode streaming and place. Wow. L. Fellow toilet. Wow, and knoll especially like a we've been doing this for a hundred episodes already. Yeah. And then we don't do it on weekends. Yeah and also we skipped a day. So like Oh, my God. I can't wait to ring in the New Year with you guys. Valentine's Day. Day. I. Love you all aches. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's not a thing. That's the world thing. So but yeah, you know there were there were people we could be spending one hundred days chatting within shows that we could be talking about. So today we're talking about Lucifer season four episode for all about Eve and after that. Yes exactly. After that reaction yesterday have to throw to you first. Allison. for me was actually a little underwhelmed by this episode, it didn't live up to my memory of it. I'm curious what you thought of I like full-on episode with Eve. Well I was also a little underwhelmed by and it's not just because we didn't get frequent jokes about one of the greatest movies of all time which feels like real missed opportunity I. Am just not sure. About any of it. I you know I. I do think as we were talking about yesterday is another case of the week that sort of sewn in Really Nicely and sort of speaks to what's going on in a way. That's like a little Meta and jokey but not. So hit you over the head. Obvious. that said I remember thinking that and cannot remember what the cases await the necklace. Okay. Yes. The necklace So obviously, it's not that memorable So that is one to I really like the change in dynamic and I really like Eve as a carrot she's really fun to watch. But it is a little overly trohpy in a way that I don't totally trust And Yeah I you know I I certainly don't want to pick it apart by any stretch I don't think it's a bad episode but I was hyped and I am now less height. Okay. Nullity you're. Sort of in the same boat. I think that the episode at salsas pretty fine like Alison I really enjoyed the dynamic shifts I got very angry at Khloe calling Lucifer Sabre with What's his name? I. Was just like, no don't do that. Lucifer is going to be very upset I like Lucifer That was a good idea. Okay. Well, yeah. game recognize game. I guess absolutely. But like with Allison I also don't trust a lot of the eve stuff that is given to us by Eve. So I just have like lots of logistical questions about weight. You came back from the silver city. Shouldn't you be in someone else's body but you were tuned was it you or too? I? Just have a lot of questions. That I'm sure we will eventually be answered in some form shape or at some point. So I think the episodes fine but it's very much A. Transition episode in a lot of ways of establishing eve an reestablishing Khloe Ann Lewis for dynamics for. What we're about to start to enter the second. Thing to say because we have episode four tomorrow some just like, oh, we're almost halfway through the season. Oh. That's of weird sensation after season three. but mostly mostly mostly the only thing that might take away from this episodes. Of APP. On bubble wrap? Yes. We finally have our new location by Toyota. We now have seen what Dr Linda's Place Lay and China. Nora's from one person. Beautiful beautiful home one tiny person. Very tiny person she I mean like obviously, she never got the TV show that we saw that alternate reality but obviously is making bank and very happy for her I. Hope Lucifer is massively overpaying her because actually that's a misnomer because whatever he's paying her it's not enough. A lot more than every other quiet that she has like I. Hope He's Jay I o be paying thousands of dollars an hour. I know we joked about her not taking insurance, but I feel like this confirms that she does not take insurance. Yes. Maybe she does a sliding scale for people just like really like I would love I would love if Lucifer Finances Dr Linda working with Queer youth like I would love that. Anyway I assume are homeless at large because she has to keep all of her kayaks somewhere. Marcus pro bono therapy. You know this this feels like something I can see her going. Yeah. It's a great set. It's a, it's a beautiful. And when I figured out that that is where we were I was like. This is what this means. You're going to spend more time with Linda I'm stoked and I just go there and they don't like not like, wow, your places. So amazing, Linda it's just there we've been to Linda's place a million times you know. Yeah we'll tell you how was this one revisiting it I I really enjoyed it I could watch the bar fight scene million times. I'm literally yeah. What I was watching yesterday I literally just kept saying over and over again again, shutout director Saraswati who always gets these fun little things to do is that the god Johnson Director Yeah, it's as watching it. I was like, Oh, this is one of my favorite scenes, all of Lucifer to the extent that I have sort of divorced it in my mind from the rest of the episode because God it's just you're not wrong toy it's incredibly stylish. It's so well constructed Tom. Ellis looks so amazing. Eve makes end watching him in the face I was making. Slow Moat like when it goes to the halftime and she oh my God. It was very very I kept saying out loud to Tom Sorry time I kept going Oh my God he's so hot and then they've got to her she's so hot. It was just it was a lot of hot. It was yet to very hot seen. A grimy bar fight at a very, very hot seen Let's see I wanted to say it does knows boy yeah. I'd ever requested that it would like anyone else's tomb but eaves and as far as what when I it was just assume it's because she's from heaven not from Hell this hell possession. Yeah. You know hoping you know they do you don't down there. but yeah, I so very much. Enjoy this episode. IV trying to spoil things. But like I really love embar lobby as eve and I loved the little touches she brings in the writing because like obviously you know she's got like ex girlfriend coming to she thinks that like her I love is like the answer obviously when we thousands of years and having clearly wasn't and A. The delivery what she's saying you know up and having where everyone's just so happy. I love that so much But she's naive but specifically, not dumb. She's not even because she has not lived in this world. But as she says she, she talked to every single person who have had nothing else to do. So she knows things about Derek and she has like basically thing she wants to do like the ball bashing which I'm so happy she got to do but so it's like It's not that she's just like a sexy baby that they could have been so easy to make a sexy baby and that's not what. Very. Thanks see maybe. Make you. A man I was with you. The. You know what? I I watched this. It was very interesting to make someone who grew up. Catholic. Right. I had never considered what the experience of being eve would be. Such a significant figure, but it was never like, yes, she was specifically created not to be a creation but to. Be there to for Adam to have someone to hang out with and the notion of that as just like the reason you exist. Not because you know. God was tinkering in his grass right in the Thalji of the show and was like Oh this place makes them different people. Just like Oh he's my I made my favorite toy. Oh, it's board I guess we'll get another one you know and the notion of. Experience. And Adams, well, they would be absolutely distinct because they're the first people. So they don't have parents they don't have siblings. They don't have anyone else didn't grow up with anyone right? So they have they had plenty of kids in like large families in theory right in lived however long theoretically you go by biblical things like people are living three hundred years of the place right in the Old Testament. So. Theoretically live very long lives, but if if heaven is being. With all of your loved ones or know that's the the concept, and if you don't have any particular connection to add them which she seems like she doesn't it's like just being around your kids all the time and after thousand years might get Kinda old. So I thought that that was just the fact that I had never considered anything like that at all was was was really interesting and. Look forward to what else the season does around her identity and her experience. I felt like very like there's you know there's there's a just like the idea of Will Adam and eve and just but like what would that experience be to be the very first woman created and you aren't even created because it seems like a good idea, right? It's A. It's it's it's an interesting one I really like him are lobbying this as well. I don't I for me this episode, her performance was only somewhat bare. It's not clicked into place yet. They don't have a complete grip on the character quite yet I don't think. I know that they'll get there because I've seen it. And So I'm looking forward to going on that journey with a character. Yeah I agree she's very good and I can I see you can sort of see places where it feels like I said earlier like a little tropy like it's going and exactly sort of the places you expect in a way that feels. Not Quite as smart as the rest of the season so far, but she's just really engaging to watch She's just very, very good and I think brings a lot of. Gravity some beats that could feel pretty similar a little bit lazy if if they weren't so filled by her I also really like the little twists that we get at the end, which is something that Tom and I ended up talking about actually where he was like, Oh, great. Well, close gonNA walk in and she's going to see it and that's not gonNa make any sense because chloe is very familiar with the fact that Lucifer will fuck just about anything and anyone. So like why does that matter but instead what she walks in on his a moment that's obviously really intimate, not physically intimate but emotionally into like the. Way, they're positioned the way the shot's pins them together it to me that moment is not about like Oakley saw Lucifer with another woman. It's that Khloe, saw lose for being close to someone being careful with someone and being cared for in a way that she probably hasn't seen him with anyone else other than her with that was really great. We also have to talk about this toy story thing a little bit more because Marcus has some points, but I'm GonNa let I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Ruminate on it. So I'm going to hand back to you. I think about toy story and Lucifer affirmative. Okay well. Deal which listeners is knows new name in the chat Do you have any thoughts on because we're going to get to the other half of the episode, which is actually part of the episode more mortgage with but do you have any thoughts other thoughts on on eve and what they're doing here with even an Lucifer enclosed sorry i. just want to say it's a mini deal. Many deal. Okay. North drive me crazy. Sorry jeeze. Hang on one second I'll just change it back. He deal any deal. Megan No. one of the things that I think sort of prepping me for this is I was talking a little bit with her partner after. We recorded yesterday and she I mentioned our conversation about Oh yeah. No I talked to Kane. We hung out killed him and all that stuff that did not happen and my partner was just like, yeah. Yeah. She's actually more like able which was an interesting way of like prepping me for this because a lot of Eve's tendencies are actually sort of Abeille. They're not full blown common. Let me give you my seed type. but there's that desire for debauchery almost an excitement that. Both a make sense within the confines of being in the silver city forever. But also feels like something that able maybe picked up on growing up with them and being like mom seems like she just wants to go around and explore. So I'm going to go do that with her type of thing she's going to name everything and I'm going to help. And how that works out. So I think that actually kind of up to me to like. Those and I like that concept as a through line for like a FAM-. Familiar type thing which makes me that Adam is definitely like Kane a lot just insufferable. So yeah, I think everything else is. That's sort of where I came from with that. So I I enjoyed that kind of a concept for it. So I appreciate my partner planting that seed. And I agree with Allison in that, the moment of intimacy is way more impactful than. Just, like seeing like a messy casts it just drives it home more in just had me shoveling. fucked up Khloe, you've done up. At the two rescreen which was funded, which was fine. And now we can discuss toy story I don't as got said God is said because when you think about it like God God made e you've but he looked around and I don't have enough parts. I'm just GONNA take this part from my other toy and Yank it out and make another toy out of it null. That is so much better than anything I could have come up with that is so good. I. Was just GonNa I was just GonNa say if A many deal is woody. than. Lucifer has to be buzzed because amenity would go you are. Devil. And not. you are. Wins. Actually think though that like Lucifer would be woody in that case and then immediate would be buzz. I mean we'll certainly posh in terms of their plaster yet right like like to the silver city admin stuff like A. Curfew you D B. Woodside like got information from Buzz light year because now I can't not see it. Maybe maybe also buzz not great at toying just like many deals not great. Yuming. Writers. To you. Which? Story this. Data's. MR, potato head. That's pretty great. Actually who's WHO's forty? I haven't seen that launch such watched horror story for yet. Yeah. I haven't done ebay folks. I. Haven't seen Toy story for yet either what I need to tell you that you need to watch forty asks a question, which is one of my favorite television programs from last year, four kiosks question get bangs four Kiosk ask asks the question rules. I am not joking. Zip is really good. Four, trixie maybe ally. ME. Right you get the idea i. really know nothing about forty besides what it looks like. I really appreciate the Russian Room. So thanks marcus give us discussing Yeah Marcus Marcus says earlier here in chat. I'm trying to figure out what toy story toy. Adam has to be woody and then I think Atas warlike bus year and then Marcus says what he is immense deal. Then the of Adam and Eve could be Jesse but I don't think eve is Jessie. I think Jesse wants to have some fun too but she's late she's more grounded than Eve is Eve's quite a bit more stir-crazy Uriel Stinky Pete see now I'm just thinking about Stinky Pete. So let's get back. Like is the aliens. We need to get back on track because we have not yet talked about that doctor's office in that poor poor nurse practitioner whoever it was my my parents. My mom or does they'd never let her and I was like, yeah. But can you imagine being the person try to keep her out of the avoidance? You know I am realizing as we're talking about it that I was. Because, I was let down or underwhelmed by the eve storyline, which occupies such a bulk of this episode that there are multiple scenes that are among my favorite Lucy's. We've in quite a while on this episode, which must mean I really liked it because the doctor's office seen the fight that we've already discussed and I'm assuming we'll be talking about this Khloe and Linda Yeah like all like top notch. Good. Like really really good scenes. Apparently, I need it revised my opinion of it. But the the just the whole back and forth of like I'm looking for the wings. When does appropriate freak out very good. Marcus already referenced in the Chat, the the shot of the ceiling fan but just like. Yeah the notion of babyproofing. With wings little, Cherub, giving kicked by the ceiling fan over and over and over. We know this show would do so. Yeah. It was. Good it was refund. Thoughts on on that corner show. Anti. May's I may your own caller anti May's but she made it clear anti May's and also I live here now. There's enough room. The Room in this huge thousand, we should have been at every episode honestly nearly. Yeah. When Emmanuel's trying to leg back away from that and then just like no I like it. This is happening talk. Get on get on board Dad. It's very good the the the baby proofing of the ceiling I like it wasn't just the ceiling fans also the rafters like everything very good There's more to come without I. Look forward to it the the dynamic between maze and deal Linda is not quite clear yet based on where they left things but I feel like I liked that they aren't. Dredging up in adding specific still that they're just letting them just kind of be you know and I think that's the right way to go. I'm looking forward to see how that develops but I feel like the last thing we have to make sure we talk about is one that I didn't know else get a call dish on this because weren't you the one that said that? Khloe and and Dr Linda needed. Jamaica's poor group I. Think I did. It as I did say that I didn't even realize that. Thank you for the call dish. Yeah I that seem felt like a scene that I have been waiting for since season one watching to people who are in no way shape or form supernatural were ethereal or otherworldly although one of them apparently might be growing an angel inside her like a like a blessed parasite Our ask sites blessed probably I just it was incredibly gratifying to feel like. The reality of the series was being acknowledged in a sort of new and fresh way. It was very useful as a person who's been watching it sort of remind myself of the given circumstances and how this actually works to see these characters acknowledged that. The. Bat Shit craziness of all was just really great and then the fact that it. Turned halfway through and became about chloe finding away to comfort. Linda who at long last has someone she can talk to about this like Oh my God I'm so I'm happy for Chloe but I'm so happy for Linda that somebody else knows is just really it's really really great. the the league the look on Jerry's face as chloe realizes. Oh Gosh issues I need to deal with it are challenging but they are nowhere near like half angel baby situation and she doesn't even get the whole. She doesn't even get all the details on Charlotte either of it. either. This is like I killed The lady in Center to hell in then brought her back because they thought I was a medical doctor. And then I got stabbed by the goddess of all creation then like yeah. Lace like you don't even know. Really still needs to even process that she was engaged to Kane Yeah Yeah Yeah. Oh man so did no try it. You guys have any thoughts on scene here with chloe I I love general mase calling handle better than you did. So yeah. Yeah. Just twist Matt nyquil of it. Well, it's one amazes favorite things to do twist nine both liberal and metaphorical. Leslie Baby Knives hundred babies and it's just it. Also, it's kind of like how self righteous of. Are we avoiding each other like girl you like about your daughter Tomase let let's not pretend that you guys are on solid ground right now. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty condescending. It was like I'm going to be the bigger person and brea that. I think we might be having an issue or it's like Khloe. Come, you caused the issue Vega like listen I, get it but let if we're being honest let's actually be honest. Yeah. I made this problem but I'm gonNA. Fix It. Don't worry everyone. You can't be Almighty with maize on that one. Sorry. Although I will I will stay that I do think that Dan still has an understandable grievance with the knife play of that was the last episode but I do think Dan was within his rights to say, Hey, don't play with knives with my kid that's a reasonable complaint. He so went to go do dirty cops stuff with her immediately after yeah but he didn't bring trixie. Waiting. She's getaway driver 'cause listener totter so well. I was assuming she was at the precinct because it was like Dan's night to have her. So was she like in art seriously. or we often it was clue is not you don't know you don't know yet the the the dynamic the energy with with the Dan amazed remains one of my favorite underexplored dynamics on the show. We don't really get it here, but you know while it is not good for him to embrace. Palmetto Dan. spending more time with MES. If they can find a way to do that, that is not a centered around beating people and self-annihilation that would actually be pretty good for him. He could benefit from that but Yeah. More on that later in the season we so bad when he finds out I just remembered like more excited to. It will be for all of these actors. Honestly, everyone is given good material and like actual material not just kind of off to the wayside, which is not just art. Just arms. I mean, sometimes you need. Arms Babe. You know you know what all they really want for all of these actors is for each of them to have one moment this season that is as good as dust in the wind just one. Just one. Just one I think next episode we'll do that for a lot of people. Great. Well, that takes us to just do also I clicked I wanted to see what else destructor don't apart from apparently he's also directing the Karaoke jam episode this year. which is. Yup looking forward to it Okay. Well, that wraps up our conversation about all about eve. Tomorrow we're going to be back for one hundred and first episode to talk about episode five. Expire erect. So the Toya and I, of course, familiar knoll alson any thoughts any predictions? I'm GonNa let you go. I know I'm legitimately worried that this is another micro penis episode I'm not here for it. It's not that okay. Good Let's see. Maybe building gets imploded I. Don't know Sprayer. GIVES KEEP SAYING IT, X.. Meyer over act. Expire. Supreme Debt. I'm not Asmar and I am are either so. Yeah. No I've. Got Nothing. Alison. Doing, anything it's not. Okay, I need to stop next Meyer. I'm going to have to edit this. You're welcome. I'M GONNA guess that it's a man dies in bed with. Another woman. That isn't his. Wife. or I should we I shouldn't be so Hetero normative a person dies in bed with another person who isn't their usual partner and then. Lucifer suspects. the partner whereas Khloe who is now making all of the cases about her. thinks that he is he's being misguided in assuming that the person who's being. Cheated on is automatically guilty. Because obviously, there is deception and something like that. That's my guess is a love triangle. Case that Khloe Lucifer will fight about in some way. Jenga Tower. I will say that this episode has one of my favorite moments in puns in the series and a very. Very, look very much looking forward to it and such a small thing. But I love it and yeah, we're GonNa talk more about tomorrow and I will say that one of you. Got Something yearly correct. Won't say which one? It's not a Jenga Tower. Jagged. I know poker face room. anyways that will wrap up our conversation for today. So thank you, Marcus, raining out with thousands zoom today. Thank you the. Toyo. Thank you everybody for listening. We'll be back tomorrow by ICE.

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Best of CCK: Jenga Drama

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Best of CCK: Jenga Drama

"Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin. You're just ridiculously stupid. Welcome welcome welcome. Welcome. In all the pretty. One smell. Let me. Many all. The probably. Me Jared Awhile that we've had a good old standoff like this. I was really gonNA. Let it go for a while but I figured you were just to give. Yeah, go the entire show. We had this conversation with final Berg yesterday. It was and fights yesterday and the show started and I did the intro and file Berg said thank God that you started the show because I I wouldn't have said anything and I was like well. As I normally would have a standoff with Casey. I'll just go forever I, I'll do an entire hour-long show. Where I say absolutely nothing just just to prove that point and today we're actually on for two hours so. With nothing said well, no, because Kevin will be here in fifteen minutes so. I. Would have well Kevin definitely what because he's the host of the show but he's he is going to be late. Turning the skype on so I can see you lovely but I did figure like you know I should probably go into the show 'cause it's Friday we were doing two hours today. And I till Kevin gets here because I have a question for the to view a question that I ran into this morning One of my best friends is in town and she's currently in yeah. Very. Well. She's my best friend. No No. Hold on. Excuse me. Let me let me preface that you don't know her in the biblical sense. Okay good but she do you know her yet? We're just friends you. You're very good friends. It's Casey Casey's in town. In the city so but she has a wiped. Out. Now I can't tell I was going to you know what? I really love the morning person she's a morning person. She's excuse me one of those about. I'm not a morning person and. Like person? Because, we're friends. We've had discussions and she's she has tons of energy in the morning whereas I don't. She didn't have tons of energy this particular morning because I think we try to drink all of the wine in New York City last night. which should not surprised. I don't know all of it. The first person well, yeah. But it's the first time. So it you know we talk about twenty twenty all the time and how fucking weird it is but it's the first time. I've really seen her since before the pandemic because she went back to Texas at the beginning of the virus, and so it's like well, I mean, what else are we going to do? We have to drink all the wine? And we just accepted as probably never gonNA end. No I can't take. Fuck in the winter. Once I started seeing like I was fine with the pandemic and like quarantine and things getting canceled and twenty twenty but once you start to see twenty twenty one things canceled that's when like it reconfigured me. Canceled in twenty twenty one. The winter classic. Already. Well. I guess it's usually in January isn't it? Yeah well I guess that makes sense. The are the Olympics. I don't know I. Haven't seen anything about the Olympics the winter. They were meant to be this year right but they haven't been canceled again. They haven't been touched yet. That's the problem. To be it's so strange to me when I talked to some of my friends who are like, well, our offices aren't gonNA open up until after Labor Day of two thousand, twenty one. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean I. For me because we were talking about it today on the podcast and we all I, think we talked about with fiber yesterday I don't know what I'm. GonNa do with my off season because like last year. We had so much stuff plan in the off season that it really didn't feel like there's no baseball like we did a bunch of stuff like traveling wise content wise in the off season that it was a great bridge to the regular season in early spring training and this off season it's like. All right. So the plans to go to Arizona and do content with the players that live out there that probably can't happen. Going through the winter meetings like those are probably going to get canceled like it's that sucks I don't know what to do with myself. You're going to have to come to New York and play in streams with the rest of us. Yeah. I. Have plans to come to new. York, I was trying to figure out like. I, guess. There's no AIRBNB situation but like I wanna I, WANNA spend significant time in New York this winter like I want to be there for. Straight it's so cheap right now it's like what do I do? Can I rented an apartment for like five months is People probably if people are listening right now that are in real estate new. York I don't know if they're probably actually just working you know normal job, but I would think because the people are shared people are so desperate to get their replaces read it out right now like I mean you, you've seen my building. So I have a building in a nice area of Manhattan twenty four hour. Doorman. Whatever right. Now, I could move into a two bedroom two bath for almost the exact same price as I'm paying for my current apartment, which is not a it's insane. fucking threw up yesterday because I was just curious if they had rented out my old unit yet. Oh, I went to a website and it's like fifteen hundred cheaper cheaper. Whoever gets it next is literally going to get it for. Half the price that I was paying when I was there. Yeah. So my whole point is is that you could probably right now you could probably find a place that you like wherever you want and you could say, Hey, I'm only GonNa win it for five months and they'd probably like let you move in that day I feel like Gosh. He agrees with me. I feel like if I did that I would just go back to my old building because I just I love the people there in the neighborhood and I feel like they would probably a deal because they know my situation what if you were just to get your old apartment back? I would love to do that. Love. Really. Really funny. If you all right, I'm back for half the price. Yeah. So I know I know that it's not rented out yet I still like I made you know my fucking doorman like I made friends with like my doorman and like so I still keep in touch with them and like when I go back to. Is that normal to do. You have just like a A. So I obviously, as you know, I, go to robby entrenched department all the time. In like I'll I'll say, hi to their doorman and like I don't like judging by Robbie and Trent and myself will walk out of the apartment together like it's not like it's like a hey, how you doing relationship whereas with my doorman like they knew what was going on in my apartment like they knew that I was like doing podcast and shooting videos because they all follow me on instagram. So they see the stuff that I was. Doing in there so they're all sports fans and we'd talk about sports and we would talk about like the videos and they would make fun of me for losing in rock paper scissors and all that. So yeah, I keep in touch with those guys. Do you think that's normal? I keep in touch with your doorman Well, I'm not wanted to throw stones at jared because we still talk to I still keep in touch Ruben, the doorman from. Not specifically my apartment, but we're still in touch with the with the old office groups. Just never I've never thought a guy ends on what your relationship was before up. Hey. How are you type relationship that I wouldn't be? All right let's keep in touch but like the people that I've talked to have long conversations with then yeah I don't think I've ever had a long conversation with any my doorman but I, I don't think like their first language is English like I don't think that any of your doormen that I've ever seen their first language is English show I don't know that they're like they care about baseball they probably like are soccer fans maybe. I don't know Jerry I. Guess. I'll go home and ask them later on. Today. Yeah Hey notice your your whole filing, my doorman. Doorman I don't know if it's the highest security place like I I would always come over with a very high security. So I could be I could be like a drug dealer like I feel like if you're a drug dealer, you probably show up with a backpack. No one ever stopped me I'll just walk in with my backpack on. Know they're. Just like a little wave but not like the first couple of times that you came to my building. They will call you. The. They're such good doormen that they recognize the people that I would be. Okay with coming in and out of the building I'll tell you right now that if you try to do that in this current state of our friendship, you would not be allowed up without them calling. Did you give them a picture of me and be like don't want the sky up No but I will if I need to. I feel like that's probably well, it's also. It's also just completely different roles right now I mean you see there's like nobody's allowed in and out very often because of the virus like you're not even supposed to have guests really you know I wanNA, see if they'll let me back into my apartment it'd be like, Hey, can I rent this out until February I think you should. I guarantee they'll say, yes, I think it's like fifteen hundred could do fifteen hundred like, yeah. All right, fifteen hundred, you rent it from November through February just have someone in their Jerry. People are. So first of all the whole narrative of New York, city being dead is just not true like and I know that that's just like something that nationally people love to say like Oh Manhattan's dying. It's just not a fact it is completely different and there's very clearly big differences like renting apartments Broadway, not being up whatever. But when it comes to things that are very different with apartment buildings in real estate and all that people are so desperate to get. Somebody to rent out from them like when John and his girlfriend were moving. There were places that we're going to pay. Hey to move them just they would be in that building like they were going to rent moving trucks or like have a moving company and they were GonNa Take Care of the tab just to get John and his girlfriend in the building. I feel like it would be a weird situation for me because I'm not moving anything in like what do I do for furniture like I would I would need like jared. Need a bed and that's probably it. Guide you live in like a murder House Yeah You'd have to get a TV or something. You don't leave your apartment ever like the why What are you gonNA do like you're you don't like going out. You don't aren't GonNa Watch anything on TV. So you're just going to lay an empty apartment on the floor in the out with Robbie and Trent. Okay. Well then you didn't really need anything because you could just go sit on their couch. Yeah. Hanging with Robbie and Trent and get an apartment in their building. Why not? I mean that's what you should. What you should do. You should rent out a unit and Robbie Intrinsic Apartment building, and then the only time that you spend any time in your own unit is when you're. Asleep. Yeah I mean I just I. Don't know I like my building. There's so many memories in in in that building it's a good time and machine gun Kelly says you've got burn memories to make. Room for new ones right speaking of. Let's go gifts. GonNa get a fucking get unit in New York City. Casey let's fucking make. No no you said let says if I had anything to do with the. Same. Team same team same. Team ever actually into where I mean. We currently are because we do the radio show together, but we're not on the same team. CCA let's go I give you a compliment yesterday. kind of backhanded compliment hub set me up for it. So did you I? Know you enjoyed Tacos? I. Was recording the NFL stuff yesterday during the radio show. So I wasn't able to do it which by the way, remind me to tell you a ridiculous story but get to that we have two hours we can discuss but dion sanders said something fucking hilarious that we have to talk about later. But I saw you guys are talking about the draft, the JENGA draft So I threatened John's life. If he didn't draft me, it was like I will kill you. I will murder you if you don't pick me what happened. Well, here's the thing is I love playing Jenga and I'm I'm decent at it now every time I've lost, I have pulled the the losing block but most of the time it's been just. It was inevitable that that tower was coming down but Kevin doesn't give a fuck about Jenga, he just he said, well, he says he doesn't I. Think he actually does but he says he doesn't so. Back. In his statement yesterday I didn't see a statement. He released a statement here now also. Jenga, statement Oh your hair looks fire. You released a statement that you do care about Django no. I never. I never said I don't care about Jenga Jingle Lot, John Johnson that you don't like I don't care I don't think I would've cared if I didn't get drafted maybe Jesse low kept saying he says he doesn't care about Jenga and I'm like. Nigga no, I thoroughly enjoy Jenga and I would love ten thousand dollars. Okay. Well, he time I played Jenga I've I mean I'm not like hard about it. Well, we want game wanted together. Yeah. I've never lost. So I I, I'M GONNA kill John Well actually did you did he tell you what the deal he made with me was Gave US money. I can't say this enough. I cannot say this enough he is the dumbest human on the planet. So he is the worst at negotiations I've ever seen. So jared, do you know what he did yesterday? Have you heard about this? So. The worst. Good. Stores. So I, I threaten his life I said if you don't draft me then I will kill you and then I was okay I'm not actually going to kill you but I will punch in the face and so then he was like well the Kevin's ever loss and he did his whole stupid coin flip. Also we've been partners for a decade Casey Yeah but I care more about Jenga than you or I that I did not true. So the not somebody gave me false information then because I love Chinga I love Japan I need money right? Well, that's true. You know honestly, I didn't really think about that side of things But then when he when I saw, he traded that pick to rea- for nothing well, that also he didn't he talked about all of this like the entire C. C K show yesterday was a spoiler for what was going to happen I didn't know. That the draft was taking place at three PM Yesterday. So once we started talking about this in the final segment of yesterday. Very invested. So I watched all of the draft yesterday to see what John was going to do. He didn't say anything about the coin flip but we spent probably fifteen twenty minutes going over the pros and cons of drafting Casey drafting. Kevin, I was psychoanalyzing him basically I was telling him. I was telling him deep seated reasons why he would or wouldn't do certain things during the draft and. There are some compliments handed out to each each of you individually, and there are some there are some cons. The cons for me jared. I Love Shot No. The ones for me. I already can write hers down. So what her mind what were. US. One of the pros let's start on a positive note. One of the pros for Casey Draft Casey. That's viewers I mean people are GonNa Watch to see. Jared that's. A pro- Cons. I don't care if I win and there's zero people watching. Thousand dollars a big tank. I don't give a shit though. So hang should be happy about Casey but not. Okay. So what else going on? I also said that Casey has multiple infractions when playing like she shopping two hands person. Could come back to haunt you at some point hands on would well. But the problem is the the the first time was just like it was my first time jitters. Doing I will say the second time that I did it. It was my fault for not wearing pants with pockets because that's if I have. And I can just put my phone in my pocket just hold onto my phone the entire time I'm not gonNA fuck up the second time I've fucked up I was wearing yoga pants and tied at jacket around my waist but hand was still free. So like even though John Schneider hand is your fingers if your fingers a free wants to grand, right? Exactly. Yeah. I'm such a slut. But John tied my arm down very hard very tightly but it still didn't work. I will never make that mistake again. Now I don't have the opportunity to because I didn't get drafted. But up here. Okay Jerry you continue. But I cannot wait to tell you because I don't think jared knows what John did after the draft yesterday because it's astounding it really comes full circle of Spokane. Stupidity is I honestly have no idea what he can't wait to tell you I can't wait after the draft. I did say that Casey would take it. Far More personally, if she wasn't taken I said. That John Drafting a partner for Django. has nothing to do with Jenga in the eyes of Casey and that it's a complete validation of their friendship versus right like strategic. How do I win ten dollars? I said Kevin would probably be more understanding whereas Casey would would probably not speak to you for a long time warfare and or physically assault you which okay. Let's say on the record yet no no I would physically assaulted there. I don't see anything that John could do. That would make me not speak to him because I am this again will come full circle of how he treated the draft after the fact he also knows that but I did definitely threatened to physically assaulted I. Would I very much wanted to be in this but I would never. I would never be mad at John. I wouldn't be mad at him. I was going to solve you. Know that I, wasn't it wasn't like I'm. Actually mad also just physically assault each other all the time you guys are so God damn. So did you hear about so fucking weird. Did you hear what rea- said I don't think the cameras rolling at so hank originally told me he was like 'cause he thought John was going to draft me. So he was like if you WanNa stay in the draft or like in the Stream stadium, he's like that's fine and also well, it's all the captains. He's like we'll just go to the side so I went and like was like hugging drawn like fine fucking. refiling. This is so fucked. fucking winner and she's like Y'all's relationship is so toxic I. Don't fucking get it and I was like, Damn Rea- tell us how you really feel. So jared speaking after this after this. John drafted me if he picked like a random person and he also he also he also text me. And said, he did the coin flip and that three times in a row? It picked you. He was like fate decided yet because we've been part. Daddy and I can't to enough. I wasn't actually mad. I was more that I didn't get to play but I, I wasn't actually mad. John comes out immediately. Of course, all the cameras around like waiting for John Come out there and per usual There's some attempts at hitting each other and I haven't even said Word I did not say one thing yet. He comes right over to my desk I attempted to physically assault him and he just goes if I, win you can have my five grand I didn't say anything I didn't say I was mad at him I didn't say like I said excuse me. If I win, you can have my five rand okay. The worst negotiator fulltime, I wouldn't have even thought about that. I honestly thought I was just going to get to like slap him for the stole scenes here and then move on ninety percent of the people in his office. They're not going to get to play Jenga in this thing it's a it's a two person time for twelve ten or twelve teams whatever it is. There's so many people don't get to play. There's no reason as his money I didn't even ask. For it, that's what's so insane and I looked at him and I said. So what you're telling me is that you think that my short term temporary rath that will clearly be over with as soon as we hit the bar they as soon as we leave this office, like we're GONNA. Go drink together and all I'm not care my short term wrath to you is worth less than five grand and I'm so scared of you that I would rather just five grant. Do you know how that is. Yeah. I would never give somebody five grand just for them. Not to be mad at the why is what is going on a real? She can hire you. You say you're not mad scared to the point that he is something must be going on if he's He you know this you've been partners with them for ten years. As you've pointed out, John would rather be inconvenienced than have anybody be potentially mad at. One point at one point said, he would work for half of his salary I mean let's let's put it like he would rather be inconvenienced himself. They'd have any type of uncomfortable situation. I can't say I mean I was actually going to Adam and I definitely was going to hit him but I hit him on a daily basis and he hits me on a daily basis you were going to be mad no I wasn't with what else has transpired in this office this week I can promise you I was actually going to that I had an anger. I had enough anger come out earlier this week we're good here. I'm not going to talk about I really would not like to spend my Friday before my birthday speaking of the drama that happened earlier this week. I'm care for your birthday. I don't WANNA go I. don't care about my birthday really but I don't I don't want to sit here and talk about drama and and be quoted on the Internet. I'd rather just have a nice radio show Saturday don't don't give any opinions just tell the story you can't say that there's drama and then not. I didn't. Has Barstool Fan. I would just say this I. Know it. I did not appear on unnecessary roughness week Whoa like I just there was there was one host that was there and one that was not oh wow I did not know that. Yes. So anyways, it became a whole wing. So I was real. This is real beef this is not like. Unless you say that there are over. Are you going to be this week? Yes I will be on it on Sunday. Let's you say. Yes There will sparks fly our podcast will continue to go on per normal. Yes. But I will say this you both be like gritting your teeth and just let me let me put it this way and I will explain it when we get to commercial break and you can decide if you I should say on air not the there were videos that. Guys did not. Put Out. WHOA, you guys like this is too much. In and other people that would make decisions like that. Yes. There were there worldview to yes. Oh so little finger to not WANNA stir anger. That is correct. anyways back to me actually being mad at John. I could not yesterday I was just happy to get out of the office like I did the NFL show yesterday morning and dion then crashed the dime package which I have to tell you the story later to. What he he not like athletes use different names for themselves whenever they check into hotels. He told US whole story of like he and I'm not gonNA butchery does just pull up the clip the creativity that went in Dion, sanders hotels, names, I died but anyways, I just needed to get out of here. So when I stayed for the draft I ate during the draft cause I was so hungry and then I was just GonNa Leave I. Wasn't actually mad and then I left with potential of five grand and I told John I said I know you're not GonNa purposely throw this because really wants that five grand central if me having a grand just to not be mad at John Is. Great. And I can't believe he's Rio is she's like what the fuck is wrong with you. John I'm a pussy. That's what he just kept saying over and over as I would have never asked for that five K is a lot of money and like Jenga is like neither of us are bad at it and Jenga's pretty much crap shoot. It's basically like. Is it your team's turn when the tower is like totally fucked? So like anybody can really win there's not that many teams. Like. This season Jot at the money. So it's not like he was like. Yeah. You can have my fucking powerball ticket. Is Never GonNa hit. and. Then he said, I said that to him and he was like. He was like, yeah, like but I don't know we're probably not going to win and I was like, fuck that like I think we're GonNa win and he goes you know I think we have a good shot to. Do. You also could win. He also made a he made a decent point. He was like you and I both know that that five grand just GonNa go to a bar tab like Slowly but surely like you'll just be paying for my bar, Tab which happens. So jared. There's a waiver wire period where. Captain can drop somebody and pick up a new player. So if somebody's not happy with I, don't know are we gonna like practice or something like how is anybody? It's three weeks into the actual. Oh, in the season. For three weeks someone's not happy. They can drop their player and then pick up another. Case? No I'm not going to do it. Because then then that would negate my five grand yeah. No no I'm not going to if I get picked up. You're right you. Know, what if you make it to the finals then you're against us then you're guaranteed five yes. But the idea that I could not fuck up at all I could not have any infractions no violations that I could still win money like that to me is a better opportunity because I know that you're not gonNA fuck up because you're really good at it and you want that five grand really badly. So I can just sit and wait for money but if Iraq but if you'll lose it doesn't it's like whatever like I wasn't going to make it anyways. If I go if you take the stress of playing well, I would have until now that I know I could potentially make five brand for no reason but I'm just saying if you do play a good clean couple rounds of Jenga and you're on the other side of our bracket, you might ensure yourself five grand. No matter what that is true. But the probability of that happening versus me doing something stupid in the drama of doing some stupid like. Coming in the commissioner. Jeff de lo and. Listen to my fucking Django rankings do dumb son of a bitch. Fuck. I would. Fight. Oberg said Oh Kevin. Oh what jared what I? would. I really believe that? We will have to confirm him. ooh. That fat bitch guy would be willing to bet. I would be willing to bet he meant like if if it keeps in jared if John Drafted, Casey, I would have been like what the fuck dude but I wouldn't really care. That's what he he really is is really wanting me to pick or kick Kevin doesn't care right but that doesn't Do. You know what I mean though like I wouldn't be like hurt by okay I wasn't. It love Jagath now and now I know I love Jenga and I've had every time I played it. I've really enjoyed it. We've I've lost like I'm happy to try to go to win ten grant. No doubt. So I think that was a little bit of a misunderstanding. Care on doesn't care about John. John's giving me money. If he does win I mean that's gotta be fucking against the rules or something commissioner. I love John Pathetic pathetic. We're mad about that trade to the trade for nothing whereas the commissioner on that one, it's it's By the way. Jarod, the other people were trading Tommy. Tommy traded his pick. Watch the. Yes. Could, get. You could get out. I'm the one that put it in. John's head the he should treat his pick when he was talking about nothing. No No, no. No. When he was talking about the dilemma of having to pick between you and Casey I said, why don't you just die down hope that they both get picked before you Get something of value in return right? Right. There, I didn't think any of the other captains would have picked clean because they they've all. We've all played with people already also everybody picks like their podcast partner or their roommate. Weren't allowed to pick your podcast partner. No, you were allowed. Yeah. There were a couple rookie picks there were. Lowering your bar lowering the bar. People for President Vice President got it correct. But the the jurors watches to what's borstal content that. He misses being in. Business being in the office so much that he just watches the content every day but the I, the only other person I thought may would select me was Tommy just because I knew that Tommy a we have a weird rivalry and always have but be he'll shopping his team and he said at one point he was going to ask me he said he was going to hold me hostage. With my instagram and he said what I have would you have said, yes. If I said I had to have five posts on your instagram. I thought he meant stories. I was like, yeah I post you five times in my store owner no posts like Tommy you I'm GonNa give you one post on my instagram. Let own five just to play. Jangling five grand I don't think so Tommy. He. But that's how we got Dan he got a post from Dan. Still. Not Going to offer Tommy. Unless there were parameters put on that big cats gonNA, post them and be like look this fucking loser Tommy it's going to be like everybody follow Tommy's. EDUCA- it's going to be. It's not gonNa be good for timing but I, think back to Jeff. Let's talk about. Head I also can I can. I might have to expose a little bit here. Oh. There is there are rumors there are rumors that you didn't even reply to the initial sign up I never had because because I even put you on the rank. Mines drag him I say. Put, Kevin There I tell you I didn't know any of this. So I. Tuned in to the like the pre show before the draft started and I texted hang I'll take the time stance. What time did you guys start the? I three ten. Is like the audio like the production office in Europe. To the moon baby I texted Hank at three fourteen and I said do I'd have to sign up for this or my draft eligible. So yes, I never saw kb were not on the list and I was like we should probably probably put them in. Also they're probably going to spider when you got drafted spider came into the Green Room I don't know if this is something you ask her gas, but he was like, would you like to go except Kevin draft pick on behalf of the most like, fuck? No, I'm not going in there. Research like a spider. Gaz Move I was like, no I sure won't. If Kevin really cared about being drafted, he would be here. I didn't know any this was happening I care about playing pretty good I it's a top ten ranking. I'm undefeated Jeff you have a wreck diving thirty. Two. Block yeah. But records records, I like like. Oh in one rudy one of the best we've seen in the zone one is because Somehow, some way whoever he was playing they snake. One Game Not in the Tiki the got disqualified. Oh, it was billy innate billion nate shamed. Rudy into still playing even though there was ever. He's like well, there's no. I'll tell you what that's a bad move by him and I gave him now. Now attention. There's no moves left I mean I know that I pulled that last walk but even though the the second game I played that was a stunning they got shamed for content reasons to keep. That's bad gender decision-making. I've never pulled a losing block I think at least two maybe three times I pulled the block before the losing blocks. So I'm never I'm on the block and care I would probably change your inking to what the idea and what you're doing top five. Freshman you didn't care. There's one first of all that shouldn't matter now. I. I think. It was a big thing. No fucking way. was like a five star recruit but I was like, who's a good example? Josh Rosen didn't go number one because he didn't. I'm here I'm like, Anthony Riendeau, who's like I don't even fucking like baseball, but he's a fucking monster. But you're asking me but your team mate that. That people said, you didn't care. It's only twelve teams. There are thirty three, but it doesn't matter. It's like I thought I thought it was a pretty good raise. One person I think that I've seen play. Better, and that's Robbi Fox. That's where that's where record doesn't matter. Block one, one, two three, but he's he's mine. He's a step ahead of everyone. Played Against Robbie and I have played with Robbie and every x Ray Vision. He sees the blocks in different colors. Like Resolve. I'll knock a bunch of different blocks and then find one that's loose. I have not seen him ever not pull the block and he talked said, he touches I. It's like I can't tell if it's extreme lock or if he actually looks and he's like I can see that there we've pay. We started paying attention to his he's gone over. He's just like staring at the tower and moving gets back into his cult. It's like it's like it's like he's weaponized asperger's. Arneses it and use it in a in a good way, and now we got we ask them to make crewmax because Tim and Trent. T shirts. Yeah him bringing in the Blackburn. Very. poops you didn't even get to take draft picture with the shirt. I didn't know this is happening. Jersey's pretty good. When I saw the Jersey I was way less upset I. Don't want to wear that spelled out in Pugh sobre guys can move and there's there's to yeah pukes to is is nick and frank the tank which I mean they're talking about big drama. Kb Wow. Maybe. Not. Well. There could be some cuts. You WanNa. See someone who's safe fights my caught himself. John Fights John Cut yourself during the waiver wire period catch yourself. Traffic that's mean Kevin I'm this might end up being Casey Casey because you might just. Bowel out of the whole thing. Idea what you you said Said, all your moves yesterday where we're just delaying delaying inevitable pain or death I. It's not just yesterday. It's all my moves. Every day in life is just just pushing back. A little bit of of anchor at. Just delay the inevitable. Sitting here like I wouldn't have been matched. have. Been I would have physically assaulted I would have been mad while. I was stunned, but I were not happy to the point West Band. was scared to know how he scared. Was Sloppy in the face you. Guys are so weird. To me on a daily basis. Looking chaired for I, mean the office when I was running scared of him to. Through Rolling Chair right out in front of me you weren't even talking to anybody but yourself after you flip the coin and it landed on, Kevin you kept flipping it to yourself and then to nobody you were like look and I kinda reacting because I heard you kind of had to give you something because I was like I kind of feel bad right now you're like you're like see it keeps your like C. keeps landing on. Justification. Of Coin. Flipping the same way did not help the situation whereas suit is hank announces that it's you and everybody looking everyone starts fucking clapping. You to you weren't even in the room they were clapping. Kevin. But the fact that I could just potentially win five grand, not pull one block unbelievable wait if she gets picked by another tell. Jess. No. said, he'd get picked up team not no I'm not. I'm not going to accept it. I'M NOT GONNA get older. She could be on the other side of the bracket, but it gets to the finals. Have Five K award. The risk reward I'm thinking like if I somehow fuck up on a different team, then I will be so much more disappointed with myself because I didn't have to be in that situation right now I, could not have any blame whatsoever and still in five ratty. Loser mentality and that's why I didn't draft. You know he didn't draft because I didn't draft your your first fates second of all the coin you flip. Yeah. But more importantly, your your complete inability to not touch a block with don't know John. Also by the way John We've been partners that day Johnny Yeah, I already explained to you the first time. I did it. I will take that one because I just didn't know what I was doing it as we. Were massive factor into that thing because but here, but here's your. Doesn't every day it's not no not every time I have played a lot. Now, every time I've lost had a violation, but here's the thing. It's if I don't wear pants with pockets. So that's the problem the pants pockets it's nine where you can think about that before that's my fault like so I know for sure I would have not made that. Mistake again I I just I can't believe this was even a question John. It's not like you drafted fucking by the why don't you play? Do you not I actually I almost thought we gave t shit we're like, okay ten thousand dollars all and you're not going to be part of the broadcast anymore asks have you guys can do and I was like. It's I, enjoy the I I went back and forth MICMAC release a ten. Are you good at it? Because you've been good at it I've being I'm like you. I'm definitely rally but I feel like it'd be decent. I pulled the blocks couple of bike I've. Thought about playing. It's the perfect game in that like you know you don't. You can be skilled, but also someone good. The records like so much of it just comes down to like when yeah. When you're I mean your last win billy football to be an asshole. Put Together I mean a dub dub I got duped by John I mean I would have I got here I didn't care I. Think you meant about getting picked I wouldn't cause a stink. airbags Jake. Let's do the rankings. Heard Kevin Virtual. I like Kevin you've been in this. I remember you on board you don't need any props. Okay. But then I heard is like I don't think he cares thought I mean I don't care about Jenga Yeah I. Remember seeing that saying that I'm not saying, I, didn't say it but like it was definitely just like a throwaway like, Oh, can we? Won't be hurt if he doesn't pick me case, I care about Jenkins gender hurt herself yesterday by giving you a hug beforehand to that were. That's where we saw the whole process the whole clubhouse. moved. Odd. I don't find that on. Both weird. You like hugging him from behind like recipes your head on his shoulder and being like I can't wait for you to pick. Can. We decided to land on heads. All the time. laniers thrice and it's weird I. Don't I don't think it's weird. Who else do you hook hear you When do we hug you Geoff Allott yeah. What are you talking about hand hugged handouts told the handshake. Jeff a hand to covert shake well, no, it's been doing if you on before Kobe, we have this. It's like a secret handshake, but it's like a push your hand out just hold your. The I don't get. Behind was super weird it. It was the worst time dog I've ever seen. We'll talk about it. I find it weird at all. To are the Weirdo you're not gonNA think it's weird. Come on back break. Help House. Holy Sit. Not Ready for that, you got to our back again. Friday. This song right here. This is a life changer. This is this this literally changed my life. This song right here. The last on right now. And This was or all this shit was. This was before everybody was doing molly ecstasy. This was this was when the jeep pill has really cat nap through it. You know what I mean. There's no blackout tours. There was no like popular deejays of Ichi. Sandstorm was for the fog in. The coach, he's hard core people whose fenway used to get hyped The sandstorm is when Koji is the Komo in the ninth. Yeah Like that address automatic he was he was yeah that I mean anytime a stadium has played this anytime Dj has played this I. Feel like this was big when I was in high school like for proms and Shit like that people are going I i. feel like this is like when I was in high school, this would come on during basketball games all the time is being played. Now this was this was a big one. This was a life changer oh man. South Carolina. It's a big thing for play, Carolina Mass. Yeah. I mean it's a whole fucking performance right? Yeah I mean listen Casey. Euro Weirdo you and John Weirdos, why do I have to have this conversation got to leave. Well. He's not on the show. Well Yeah. But like you're gonna I, need my I need somebody to back me up here. I don't know honestly. I. Know I know were Weirdos. But what I don't understand is why the hug yesterday is what did it I mean? We all felt very. If? Felt like you know you went in there and hugged him and we're like trying to like solidify your pick I was. Yeah, I mean it's Weird I. Mean it's not weird. It's well, it is weird because your coworkers what It's like you know we're GONNA like. We're going to like it was like a hug from behind it was weird. I don't know what you of all people are surprised. I'm not surprised I always thought you guys are Weirdos but that's like that's fine you. Like Other people are seeing it now, I think people have been seeing Lake Yeah. On on camera during a draft no. No Camera. I've seen it. So on camera. Yeah. How did you see I? Think you know stool scenes or something I think? Maybe I didn't see the aftermath of it. I don't know. But again, I don't I don't think that it's weird I mean I realize that people think that John and I have a weird friendship but his girlfriend and I also very close friends and so it's just a weird. Yeah. That's weird. But like It's not just now happening it's been going. I think now it's on display. All right whatever. It's GonNa Stop So. I think only gonNA get worse only get weirder I mean like there at some I was so happy when he finally posted a photo of him and his girlfriend just so people would be like just stop thinking that I was dating juicy. That's weird. But I was happy when the photo was posted I I actually like I was not in the city when they posted that I was out of town and the person I was having dinner with I stopped the conversation was like this is a big win for me. I'm not going to get tagged and everyone thinking that John Mayer dating that's what I mean so. The way that you guys were all behaving is leading people to think that you guys are banging people thought I was begging. Marty. He's fading my sister like it's all weird but it's not been rumored to be begging in this office Kevin. Name One person I don't know Zaire. Rumors out there gets. is like white girl fat ass run. Know but I mean that. I understand that our friendship is weird I also just don't care. No I don't expect you to either but okay, well, it is. What is It is kind of weird but I mean you were you and I are also really close friends and it's Nobody thinks we're banging. Of Kevin Please, those rumors were flying around for a while too. I mean I mean. It's just comes territory with me. You know what I mean, hint. It's just I mean I, I'm being very serious anybody who I have done direct content with in this office for the last two and a half years. There has been a rumor at some point about. Yes. No Way people have tweeted I completely Joe. nope. No people have tweeted like saying that they are sure that we are like secretly banging his wife Hates me Oh my God worst yeah. People I'd like it on record that none of these rumors are true. I. Guess It's not at all not even doing show. Dole laugh out loud at that I'm during the show on Sunday. Okay. We'll. Will you be doing the show basically under protest or will you be happy to be doing the show? I will be doing my Kevin. War. That is that that sentence here I don't get file. US Yeah. Yeah Yeah I will be doing the show on Sunday because it is my hill, you'll be. Smiling and laughing while recording unnecessary roughness, the college football podcast featuring Casey's Brenda Walker on Sunday. TVD. Will there be an argument not about football. On Sundays episode of unnecessary frustration case cases, the Brandon Walker, the college football pockets sports probably not. Because you two are avoiding said argument or because you think there is peace between Casey, some the bread and Walker the host of Reference, Cultural Schaumburg Sports TV. Boy Oh, boy. Is this the biggest drama? Is this the biggest host drama? At barstool sports. Besides, call her daddy ever. I wouldn't think so. Now, name another incident. Of name another incident of hosts not recording an episode again, sons call her daddy. Well see the fact that you don't know how it all trans like came about transpired the word I was looking for my brain. It will make more sense because it's not like I just like refuse to record. That's not what happened like there's more that goes into this. When? Sophie in Stein. Neither one. Quite. Yeah. Definitely not it's not anything. It's not anything like that. It's. Nobody's not comparable. Hypothetically speaking, let's put it this way to describe. Unnecessary case Brandon Walker in terms of call her daddy well, we can would be, okay Alex. who let me let me I'll tell you the stuff that was already out on the Internet that can until you. Basically. What happened was? The animus take aim always has very high stakes because obviously I went to Anaheim he went to Mississippi State I felt like doing a lame bet for that game would not draw attention to the game itself and he didn't WanNa make a huge bet because of what happened last year where he had address up like the yell leaders or the Milkman as you guys would say in my head, I'm like well, no one's GonNa. Actually care about this game on the college football showroom unnecessary roughness if there's not high stakes involved, well, I'm also just not like a great bet. Maker I lose I will bet money I'm going to bet money with brandon. Walker so in my head I was like, well, you know who's really good at this is Dan. Cats who was also on the college football show I went to Dan and I said I want you to make the bet sat on the college football show and Allegri to whatever as long as I'm not shaving my head permanently like fucking my body up I'll do whatever now I'm being accused of quote knowing for sure that going to win that game, which is just not true just absolutely not. The Spence Yeah it was, and it was evens the point it was the Dave Portnoy spray with six six and a half, and let's make it seven. So like at the time when the game actually kicked off, it was five and a half. So I I was. I was behind the ball on this and so. I was nervous just because again, being an I'm always going to be nervous but long story short brandon ended up having to drive home and it was because I and I put an air quotes went behind his back to make them have to drive home. This is not what happened. Dan Changed the bet and yes, I did do that quote behind his back but for the sake of content and it was funny. He was very upset about that. He quote suspended me from the PODCAST and locked the podcast store and wouldn't let me in and slid a note under the door that I was suspended from the podcast and that I couldn't record till Sunday and so I just sat like, Bang my ring on the door for a long time we were just recorded five oh five. That podcast until five, fifty, five, zero not you waited forty five minutes. If you banging on the door I, did it for like ten fifteen minutes and then went and did other things and then at this point videos from inside the podcast room start hitting and screen shots from our group tax he saying the whole time it's a bit. But. If the bit was on the opposite side Brandon would be losing his mind, right so that's when I started being like Whoa. Wait a minute like. You upset when people do these types of things to you act that way. So what's my I wasn't recording on my own volition he wouldn't let me in the podcast. And then once the joke had gone too far. He then tried to say it was a joke and then there was a very, very intense conversation that happened on the show. was on the podcast air it aired on the podcast, the videos like. It's a whole thing but basically i. Know. I was GONNA say as they were fighting, there was a pick stitch. That was done. There was footage of the two different sizes of Casey on the one side of it was the funniest. piteous is the says contact. So what I have noticed. At least two times maybe a third Brennan definitely plays the. It's a joke card. Or like I. Thought we were from I thought we were barstool and it's like but I've also seen you like you're the one usually makes things more serious than they need to be when you're when the shoes on the wrong foot for you we had a situation with Jack recently jacket on this program and They're all just a joke and there was like so much drama behind the scenes like leaving the he left the group tax. He wouldn't answer anybody like he's made some go Bosco a so matter and listen I always defended Brandon here. But what happened on Wednesday was just like I couldn't understand where it even came from because it was all about just a bet and he drove home in the gap book and Sucks Guess. What if Edem didn't cover I was GONNA have to drive home to and not only was I going to rudy and Katie we're GONNA have to go with me. So they were like a or maybe jared potentially, which would have been a fucking nightmare but like. I was GONNA whatever I was going to have to do it. But. Then I just I just didn't record the podcast because at that point, it was like first of all in my mind, it's like you can't suspend me like I said it all. My question. On Air I looked at him I looked at him and I said. You're not my boss. You're not my father because he kept saying like your your actions have consequences. From who, who, who, who, suspending me in the consequence could be like I yell at you on the Potluck we fight on the PODCAST, but you can't stop recording my own podcast. Lot's me out. You can pull seniority. There's no seniority there and so that's where the the the post. Now again, it is on the PODCAST, but the conversation that happened after. Not only solidified that I was absolutely not doing that episode, but that wasn't just content. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I and I wasn't on radio yesterday I know he talked about it on radio too but. He's he's standing by the fact that he thinks the whole thing was a bit I'm standing by the fact that it just wasn't a funny bit and then I the conversation that happened afterwards I don't like the it's a bit cart. That's all that's. Job It was supposed to be funny and it's like there and I fully admit it like people know when things are bits and people know when they're not. Well, I don't. Know. It also depends on who is coming around losing being mad that you lost a bet is not a bit. That's you just being mad that you lost the bed and like throwing attach. Dan Locked me out of something I would be like Oh dan is joking because Dan has been on the opposite side of this a million times and not freaked out you know what I mean like and also like like he doesn't. He doesn't like directly do a show with you like you know what I mean like. If Dan was doing it to be like this college football show. Yeah. But but but it's also like It's not like you and Brandon are like a team where it's like, Dan and you're not a team. Right, I feel like damn would be like I. Am the leader of our team who's punishing you we're not. Trying to write and Brennan, and that's where I where the bit went in my opinion too far. But then I also. When you ask about the podcast I also don't think you can stop someone from going on show. It's like that's how we make our living if. You wanted to if you were going to have a great show that day dos get more followers and get more you know sweet was that the first episode after the Bet Yeah I mean you have to have I mean eight episodes we had the big game. Well, we recorded Saturday night afterwards after the Georgia Alabama game, but it was like in like in the direct moment of it. You Know Brandon had out like me Katie and rudy announcing. So it was more of like one of those like. Direct recaps there was no podcast episode recorded post dry I. can't have you can't have that. What you can have is this. This one actually preceded sandstorm. I was in fucking eighth grade at a place called Palladium police. In a fucking teen eighteen to get in like dance club where it was like kids were sneaking molly in the fucking bathroom on North Avenue inertial. This song takes me right back. You will bring in the noise is our number to C. C. K. because we're back for a one time special to our show. 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225 - Its Jenga

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Over the wire I get all my information through an old teletype. Accidentally just watching the wire. The wire stringer bell slave me. That's it's so stressful. but no, there's just. Yeah I mean guys. I think you know better than anybody that we don't know how to talk about socio political grace, relational things A. We didn't go to college. We've said meant multiple times I mean that's number one I mean we're. We're both educated by social media as everybody is. These days were all reading the same articles right looking at the same reactions, yeah. so this will be more of a were just kind of repeat back a lot of things that you've probably already heard, but you know we're here is to. Acknowledged privileged white women who want to support and are doing everything. We can acknowledge that we're not. We don't know Shit, and we're doing our best to no shit, and because so many of our listeners thank fucking God WanNa Know Shit, too. Yeah, we're having a conversation with guys about it or maybe even what a lot of us are learning is that it's not a conversation. We need to ZIP IT and listen to people who we haven't been listening. Listening to all of our lives, and start actually acknowledging the only way to get rid of these white blind spots that a lot of us have, or this complete ignorance of other people's experience is to stop talking about ourselves and putting ourselves in the center of everything and instead step back and be the observer where you can actually learn and I think. That whole thing that happened when everyone put up their black square and everyone's you know the the intent behind that and I believe there was a good intention of stop talking about your dumb. Shit and pay attention to this incredibly important movement right that's actually exploding in the most real an unbelievable way right in front of us, but then that got turned into like you'd like. It's an excuse for white people to not have to participate ray discomfort and so I think there was a nice kind of. Fix On that because I think a lot of people were like got it. That's not the way you really how cheap participating and you have to keep listening the and what you're doing is just being asked to instead of giving your opinion or being like I'm so sad and I'm so upset. WHO gives a shit? Yeah, if you're sad or upset, let's hear from the people. This actually really affects an a day to day. Let's hear from the people who are constantly endanger because law enforcement is violent with with black people and people of color. You know what it felt like to me. was like we're all on a boat. Okay, and the white people are running from side to side on the boat to be like. Don't tip, don't tip. We've turned to this side. We have to run. That's we're making the boat tip on that side. The people of color are in the middle of the. Can you guys calm the fuck down and just hall? In the middle with US and stand here with us. And Stop fucking tipping the boat unintentionally. But. You're doing. You're causing the boat tip, yes? Absolutely does but I think what is impressive is before. What would have taken four years for the running side to side to stop of arguing of like well. Here's some dumb. Political stance actually isn't related and doesn't make sense right instead of any of that, there's just people are learning this very quick like oops. That was mistake and the discomfort I think this is maybe for me personally what I've learned in the last four years of doing this podcast. which is basically the the theme of this? PODCAST is mistakes. In many ways hopes sorry about that right, but what I've learned is the pain of your mistake and the shame. You feel because you made a mistake in. You got called out as privileged racist blindspot whatever it is. You should be say. Thank you for that pain because it is nothing compared to the pain of somebody watching a family member gets shot in front of them because they didn't, they did one. They didn't do the right thing or whatever they're just basically been profiled. It's nothing compared to the pain of being in constant fear of your life. It is just an ego personal thing that you can absolutely get over easily. Yeah, and all you have to do is say sorry and I'm going to do better the end and And stop talking about yourself. That's I every as we talk about ourselves else. Seven minutes straight every tweet. I've put up. That hasn't just been a re tweet of someone smarter than me. Who knows more than me? I've deleted because you don't even realize how fucking self-centered it sounds eaten when I'm like fuck this and fuck that and I'm you know and here's what I think it's like. Yes, you don't realize how much it is about you while you're when you're blabbing your mouth until fucking, see it and you're like. Shut up you. I don't fucking voice in this. I get to support other voices well. Yeah, and the whole point of social media is blabbing your mouth about ourselves. But people are making the switch. People are turning it it around. People are I think what I'm seeing. Is people getting that in a real way and being like? Oh, right? It's No one wants to hear my dumb job or sometimes they do I. Mean there's people being very funny and on topic in my timeline at twitter. Love your commit your the comedic voices sonus in. You have funny biting things to say that that advance the meredith but I think people like me. Who's just like bag? Hate Jimmy Fallon. It's like. Not fucking helping anyone that can help well and also. That's the I think that's. The comforting, easy thing where you're like. Oh, I'm going to stand back and kind of like cancel people that'll rye and it's like everyone's kind of learning. Essentially if you can't put your buddy out next to. people of Color and black people who are protesting not something you can do then you have to give money. It's pretty much that's it you have, and you also have to stake your claim. Because a some brilliant person put in the one millionth tweet that I've read over the past four days. Whatever another really great thing that people who can't give money who can't and won't protest for whatever reason is to call and tweet at and just barraged the people who are quote unquote in charge of making these legislations of you know creating these laws that fucking just completely discount people who are socio economically disadvantaged and the disadvantaged because of hundred fucking fifty years of you know racism. So, you can do something a really really smart person said it's no longer Democrats versus Republicans. It's the only thing it is now is Racist Antiracist, people, yeah, and you have to. You have to declare your side. With white people could be anything and you so basically you have to just put up or shut up. Yeah, which I think is kind of that is incredibly fascinating and I also think that the movement the action people are taking that is peaceful, quiet, peaceful protesting that at some point. The police are just like an now. We're GONNA. Tear gas. Yo is proving everyone's point, and it's a point that most white people never had to acknowledge talk. Talk about or think about for up until this moment in history. At least in my generation, you would hear about it. Talk about it. We would everyone's well people with tweeted us of like you. Can't. You know talking about jail? Term Reform talking about this talking about that where I. Honestly didn't understand where I'd be like, but we want serial killers to rot rotten jail. That's what we're thinking and they're just like no this overall. Right. The privatization of prisons means that the more people you imprison, the more lucrative, your fucking businesses, and so, and and because of this systemic racism throughout our country that people who are going to prison are the people who are less who have more disadvantages with money with education. And they're going to prison, and so it's it's a system that's that's put in that, is it? Racist because our country was built on the fucking backs of black people. Yup, and that's and now and it and it's been you know you can't take one piece out of it. It's like fucking Jenga. You can't take one piece out without the rest of it falling, so the people who make money on fucking private prisons are not going to be okay with you. Know with reform with with. With police reform. They're not going to be okay with affordable housing. They're not going back. Fuck and not forty years ago. They're not going to be okay with schools. Being on segregated, it's just. It's people who are making so much fucking money. It's people who are grabbing money who don't fucking mean any more money we'll also. Somebody made that really good point to it's this. What's so exciting about this period of time this presence of it where there's many good intention, people who don't suffer at the hands of police brutality so kind of easy. It has been easy for us to go I. Don't know if it's that I don't know. It seems like an just basically now that we all walk around with a video recorder in. Our phone, thank God and there are people I mean we've all seen it on social media, people recording a person down on the ground with their hands, Zip tied behind their back there cross-legged, which is the position that's all companies to do is put them, but you down like that and you can't move or do anything. My point is that then someone goes up and kick someone in the face when they're already down and so that's the kind of thing where for all the people that would be very. It's so uncomfortable to go. Oh I you know. These people mean well. We need the police force, and all these things all that fuck and shit gets washed away when you see how people are treated when the cops don't like them, because they don't is, it's shocking because they don't get to say anymore. We'll just don't resist arrest. They get to say that anymore because. It is not yeah, you and I can as. Lloyd, George Lloyd did not resist. Arrest was peaceful the entire time they have to angles on his arrest, a threat to angles on his arrest. He did everything. The COP says Rodney King Killed King. Crawling away, and we saw that fucking God v Twenty five years ago. I mean. Yeah, we was not resisting arrest, but now it's up in your face. It's on you know social media, and we're the younger than who won't deny it, and it's almost like I. Fucking hate saying this, but like the fact that we're all on lockdown right now and in the global pandemic and you know. It's it's this perfect storm of people who get perfect storm. We're all it's almost like we've been priming for the past two and a half months. To come together and get out there and fucking and show an and protest will, and that's what that guy the most Izzo. If you live in Los, Angeles you probably saw this clip or somebody. Re tweeted it. It's incredible because there was you know. Hundreds of people I would dare say a silent protesters standing outside Mayor Eric Garcetti is House Mike. WHO's one of the most mind blowing visuals I've seen in a while because you couldn't go. Oh, that's so scary or older. They're bad or whatever it was people literally standing, not moving and not talking just standing in front of the mayor's house like you have, and it was thanks huge crowd of people it was. So quiet, and it's a super rich area that lay, and then the a reporter goes and finds a neighbor, so this white guy standing there with a mask on total Chad looking like normal guy and the second. The clip starts. Get Mad. I'm like. Of course you find this guy that's gonNA start complaining how he was his driveway news, too. So you're like. Oh, you're gonNA find the most fucking right well. A Fox News affiliate. As opposed to the network yet, but She says. What do you think about all these people in what they're trying to she the way she asked the question I didn't love. This man, then in the plainest clearest way explains why it's happening, and basically says when you steal the land from the native people and build a country on the backs of black people, and take away all their freedom and abused them, and don't give them equal rights, and then you have a president. Who let's this I mean he basically lays it out. clearly unequivocally. Yes, in this way where I was like cool, are you? That's when you start to see. That that's the. Yeah. That's your average person on the street that we're all kind of watching these same videos and going holy fucking. Shit we can't. Be this way anymore. I think that's what I like to think. That it's input for every one of those I see I see when I see white people. Rioting spray painting, fucking stealing shit I I get my blood boils. That's not sure we're not there to do that. We're there to support. People of Color stand behind them. Stand in front of them when they are being attacked. By the fucking riot police yeah, we're superiors. Were support right? There's many people who theorized that the idea. Their agent provocateurs. They're there to actually do it to make it worse and everyone I hope saw that video of those suck and girls. That were spray painting the front of the starbucks. Yeah, yeah, and that woman walks up in is like what the Hell you doing Gimme that and then they bitch at her, and I was like those two girls are not the kind of people. I know that go to protest there something else, because why the fuck are you doing that? Like? What are you doing and then if someone comes up and goes, don't do that. You'd go. Oh I, sorry. I Base. If you're of a certain mindset, you'd say sorry, and they were just like basically you. This isn't mass destruction. There's a fucking reason that you should be there. And there are things you can do to be supportive at the same thing happened in the fucking sixties and the seventies with Vietnam protests. They'd send that fucking. FBI and CIA was and fucking you know. Undercover agents to fuck shit up gave them excuse to kill people at ten states who fucking fire rubber bullets into. You know to make to make the. Middle Conservative people hate. They saw and hate it. Because it's is, it's about optics, but. What I think is fascinating, is you cannot you can't. It's very difficult now to argue with these objects when there are. Fifty s like basically they look like storm troopers standing at the Lincoln. Memorial what that visual is just like we are now in Dystopia in America that everyone's been holding their breath about, and that's why all of this is I. Mean Look and we're just again. We're just talking about this off social media. We're just talking about this as it comes in and as we're reacting to it. But what's amazing? Is this kind of you can feel the slow collection of were not letting this happen here. We can't let this happen here. And the rest of the world is watching my supporting it I mean the that fucking protests in France, where they just piled up all those free mopeds and let them with them on fire. The bugging scooters like. Just like hell. Yes, like like people all over the world agree with these protesters agree with this action. Agree that this whole situation and the. The administration that is basically has been causing it for four years. It has to chain. It's GONNA see how four years ago we put out a podcast. Right after that mother, fucking piece of Shit got elected somehow and were scared and were afraid of what was going to happen. And suddenly it's all happening at once young, but it's it. This is fucking history this is. It's going to change from here. Yes, at a long conversation with my therapist this morning as I do go many many days a week, and this is my favorite thing that she said because I was telling her I was like. This to even talk about this because we don't want to be wrong and we don't want to say some fucking ignorant thing you and I we've. We've done it in the past, or you say something where you're just like. Oh I think I'm just sharing my thoughts and then fifty people text you of like. and. Then you're just let then you. My first reaction is always like, but I'm not wrong. You can't say that. I'm that person like onions. Are This or my intentions are that? She said this which I love, do not fear being wrong, because regret wakes you up to what you're not doing. Right, which means you have a mind that can notice things, which means you have a mind that can change and grow amazing, and that's the key, so that momentary I'm not the person I want to be, or I'm dumber than I thought I. was or I'm more racist than I thought I was. Yeah, it's it's. It's not it's he? You can track that and then do something about, and there are people. People, who cannot and that's why they can't discuss it. There are people when you experienced the rage of the people who are saying how dare you support black lives matter. That's a person who is so afraid. They're so afraid they don't know how they can belong in this world, and they can't change and I. think that's kind of what a lot of those side of people are saying is how dare you make me question myself? How dare you make me take responsibility for what I've been doing and getting and benefiting from? It's not the whole arguments raising its whole argument of like well. You know I feel like we're starting to wake up of like. People who you know with the whole thing of white privilege isn't. Isn't directed at people who. Grew up without any hardships in their lives. You know it's. It's people. It's US understanding that although there were hardships in our lives. Being The color of her skin was never one of them, and it always is that for people of Color. And I think we're finally waking up to that and understanding like even me being Jewish. It's like what you can't tell by looking at me so I have a fucking privilege. You know and that. Somebody wrote this really amazing thing that was. Being being racist isn't doesn't translate to anger and hatred in. A lot of people I'm not racist, because that they're thinking of those horrible people in the south when the schools were getting integrated right and they were screaming at children that little girl that was walking by to that school and they're going. I'm not that person right, but. So you're not actively enraged at people of Color. It doesn't mean you're not racist. Because what that means is that you have blind spots and issues and things where you don't understand the real world in the way that other people do and the thing we're talking about at the moment, because the thing that is can't continue is is black, is black people being killed by the police because the police can kill them without any repercussions? That's all right that's what has to change. And basically like the authorities are going not only when we not change it. We're going to try to kill more of you out on. That's why people are standing up and going not anymore. We can't. We all watch. Ferguson held our breath and hoped that that small group of of mostly black protesters and we're going to get it done for themselves, because no one wanted to get their hands dirty, and no one wanted to take responsibility. Yeah, of course. But we got we got a week audio, and now that we I think almost like there's something about the pandemic that Kinda cracked through. Everyone's kind of seeing this thing, which is like Oh. Yeah, this matters and how we're connected to each other matters whether or not people live or die fucking counts to me and matters. Yeah, and black lives matter black lives. Matter ever is matter. Should we say so? We're going to put up a bunch of. Media recommendations on the exactly right blogs or go to exactly right DOT com. If you want to get some podcast, recommendation, Book Recommendations Film TV Things, that you can read to and support and try to understand a little better. What White Your deeply rooted? Secret to you, even racist tendencies are, and it's really important to look at yourself like that and to understand what you're doing wrong so that you can try to be an ally yen. One of the most kind of Lake I remember this so well. the one that crazy fucking thing happened on our facebook page. We were just like what and it was. We basically had to shut it down because it was like. There was a racist flare up and peep. It was so crazy and we didn't really even know what was happening and when we were I. Did this stupid thing of actually trying to argue with people on twitter for ten minutes, whereas like nowhere like we wouldn't do that and we're not like that and we're your allies, and this young girl I'm assuming it was the person who was in their picture me going. We're not like this where your allies and this young woman I believe. Believe. She was a young woman of color who wrote back and said you don't get to say your our allies. We decide right, and that's what made me as stop arguing and be go. Oh Shit, I'm actually telling people suffer this and I. Don't know these details I should. I should know that I should know this if I don't speak the language I can't be out here. Telling people how it is because I don't fucking know I am the and I'm not a and it's like. Nobody wants to think they're that person to fucking bad just accepted, and now the work is how do we change it? There are so many lessons that to be learned right now if we including you and I and everyone is listening open their Fuckin-. Minds and ears and twitter feed. and. And learn, we can all learn right now and become better fucking people. Look. At to help to help, keep ause yeah, yes, yeah, and then in in the meantime. If you can't give money, give money, and if not, there's I've re tweeted several and I know there's so many guides out there for people who if you can't protest? Here's a list of things you can do if you don't have money. Here's a list of things you can do. I think it's so exciting that those kinds of. Lists are being made for people. The shadow lack on You know bookstores restaurants. Yes, it in your area where you can support black owned businesses and people owned businesses is really important. Yeah. 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PODCASTS called the humanity archive by Jermaine Fowler and a podcast called. This is Karen Hunter. It's really great podcast, and in this episode about I to be well. She talks to Dr Greg car, and it's just a really great. Listen Awesome. jemaine sellers are really funny. Stand up comic, also okay. It's a good podcast. And I got articles from the Chicago Tribune an essay in the Washington Post by Kisha and. There's really great quick video on Youtube. It's like the Ted talks educator, so it's Ted and it's it's animated and it's made by Christina Angrier, and it's great. It's great to show to kids I really love it an article on biography, dot, com, and Wikipedia of course, and there's just tons of articles and tons of books about either be wells that go into her incredible life way better than I'm about to do, but. Not So. Given is there's so much. There's so much great stuff out there. That's way better than everything. So here's everyone knows that little taste in and then go dive deep in. Go this is the cliffs notes. PODCAST sponsored. By cliff notes? Remember cliff's notes. Nope, never even tried to use those. Little I, cared about homework I wouldn't even cliffnote. I remember people passing cliff's notes young cliff's notes. Basically you're supposed to read silence smarter, but you could get a real thin book and just. Notes Yeah Yellow with the black. It almost looked like. Police police line. Do Not Cross. and and basically just summed up the book and its themes, and all the stuff that you're going to get acids. We didn't have the Internet to. I feel like wikipedia. Is the cliff notes? Of the Internet. Age Right yes shin okay. So we also podcast if the guy if the guy that sat in the backrow wrote cliffnote save cliff was in your class. Because that's what Wikipedia is, you could do it to. You can write clips. Right, okay, so ida bell wells was born in Holly. Springs Mississippi on July sixteenth, eighteen, sixty two. She's the first of six children to James and lizzie wells I'd `as born into slavery, but and you know the wells family as. As, well, as the rest of the slaves in the confederate states, when the emancipation proclamation was declared about six months after his birth. The wells family were decreed free, and that's on January first eighteen, sixty three. So after emancipation IDA's parents were super active in the reconstruction movement her father. James became a trustee of the historically black liberal. Arts College Shot College. Which is now Rust College in Holly? Things say the name of the College. Sorry rest, college are us, T-. he was known for his involvement in politics. As was her mother, they were both really. You know active in politics, and her father founded a successful carpentry business in Holly Springs in eighteen, sixty seven, so they were you know this this incredible family? And it was show university that they sent Ida to receive her early schooling so but at the age of Sixteen She had to drop out because both of her parents and her infant sibling died of yellow fever within like a day. Ono Vuk in your parents are dead, and you're sixteen and one of the year. Your younger siblings two within a day. That's how insane it was, and all her siblings were going to be broken up and move to different family members, and she's like no fucking way. They're staying with me. so she drops out of school finds work as a teacher and a black elementary school in Holly Springs. She was eighteen. And actually with sixteen. Can I just say that's how I got. My Nipple Pierced. So imagine that's that's white privilege right there that I was like. Being. Nipple Pearson, she's like I lied about being eighteen, so I could get a career as a teacher and raised my sibling and keep my family together. You know so, but then I is grandmother who was helping. Raise the kids. The other siblings died from a stroke so eventually wells moves with their two youngest sisters to Memphis in eighteen eighty three. SO IN MEMPHIS IDA continue to teach, and then during the summertime she continued her education and then an incident happened. When? She was twenty one years old. That was kind of a catalyst for her activism. Eighteen eighty four. She's twenty one and she's on a train and she buys a first class ticket to get in the women's. Train area because you can't smoke in there. She doesn't want to be around these foul. You know smoking dudes. And the train conduct, dirt's with the Chesapeake and Ohio railroad comes over to her, and it's like you need to give up your seat and go back out and moved to the smoking car. That's where you're black. You can't be in this first. The ladies car and she's like fuck this shit I bought my ticket. I'm not leaving and the conductor. You know grabs her to throw her out. She bites him, yeah. Amen. And then is forcefully. She's forcefully dragged out of the car. She hires a lawyer. She sues the Chesapeake Ohio and southwestern Railroad Company for discrimination. She wins the case in the state. And then it sent up higher, and it's a returned so. This is something that. Of course you know hits her in her soul, so then she writes a newspaper article about it for the Living Way which is a black church weekly. She writes about her treatment on the train and how wrong it was, and she gets kind of publicity in Memphis. So she continues teaching elementary school, but she starts writing more and more, and becomes an a journalist and writer, and she's offered an editorial position for the evening Star in Washington DC and she also begins writing weekly articles for the Living Way newspaper so under her pen name I Ola. She writes articles attacking Jim, crow policies and in Eighteen, eighty nine at twenty seven years old Ida becomes the editor and Co owner of the free speech and headlight a black. Oh newspaper established by the Reverend Taylor Nightingale at twenty seven years old and Co owner Ho owner Olo as a black woman. Did, you say eighteen, eighty, nine, eight, hundred, Eighty, nine twenty seven years old along with J. L. Fleming. She's just like here we go. Let's do this. Let's do it. In Ninety one IDA so she's dismissed from her teaching post by the Memphis. Board of Education because of her articles, because she criticizes schools, being segregated and conditions in the black schools she's she now argues that segregation means that you know black children are not getting a fair education, and not getting. You know the type of education they would if schools weren't segregated, yeah. So? She gets kicked out, so they're like well then. You can't be a teacher anymore goodbye. So, she is like fuck. This I'll concentrate my energy on writing articles for the Living Way and also free speech and headlight. She's you know quickly well respected and becomes a well accomplished successful woman. She's respected among the community. She's in the middle class, which is really rare at the time for a woman. She's not married and she's a black woman. So that's doesn't really happen at the time, but she's also I think a lot of the podcast listened to stress this. She's a very normal woman trying to you know. She's not savior. She's dating and she's bemoaning in her diaries. The dudes have to date has today because as soon as they find out how smart she is there over it, they don't. They just want a wife. You know. Yes, Oh, the same shit, but every woman fucking faces. Yeah, but in eighteen fuck and ninety s so sorry, but it also makes anything. She must have been such a good writer late, unnaturally natural, great writer I, if she was that young had to drop out of school, and then basically picked it up to go. This happened to me, and it just flowed out of her. Yeah I think she's writing about the time. which a lot of you know A. There were probably so few people who had the privilege to do that to write about what was going on with the community at the time until people that her having the balls to fucking do that just. Having Passion and you can. When you read her stuff, it's clear. She has passion yet she's. It's just you just don't WanNa. Stop reading her stuff. Yeah, so. Okay, and then the big turning point in her life happens in eighteen, ninety two. When a CLOSE FRIEND OF HERS! She's like best friends with this couple. She's the godmother of their youngest child. It's a black man named Thomas Moss. He's lynched, which by the way lynch doesn't mean hanged. Lynch means killed by a mob because of race so Thomas Moss. He's a family man he he's respected in the community as well and he delivered mail by day, but he's also part owner of the People's grocery store in South Memphis. It's in a neighborhood called the curve and it's kind of this mixed race. Race neighborhood, and of course right across or on the road from the People's grocery store owned by a black people is the white dude's grocery store and so that's owned by a man named William. Barrett, and it's just a you know there. There's like a fight breaks out between these two kids in front of his store, and it turns into this whole. fucking melee and people are fighting and it's. It's like it point part of point is. It doesn't matter what started it, but this is the excuse so. There is on March third, eighteen, ninety, two, an angry, white mob that includes the sh the local sheriff's office. Because of course you know they're part of this group. They come along and Thomas Moss along with two other workers from the People's Grocer. Calvin McDowell, and will stewart arrested and jailed, and around two thirty that morning while they're in jail. Seventy five white men wearing black masks take the three black men from their jail cells at the Shelby County jail. Take him to a railyard outside of town and shoots all three men dead with a shotgun in a horrific horrific fashion that's reported in the newspapers. With so many details that it's clear. The newspaper man was there. You know. Oh! Jesus! That kind of situation! And so IDA finds out about one of her closest stairs. Friends being murdered this way she's devastated and she basically becomes an investigative journalist back in the eighteen nineties. Yes, she puts her own life at risk by spending two months traveling around the south, and she is interviewing people who have had loved ones Lynch who have you know seen lynchings happen who have? have been their lives have been torn apart by it, and she just gathers as much information as she can, and on October twenty, six, eight, hundred, ninety, two. She publishes her research and a pamphlet titled Southern Horrors Lynch Law in all its phases and she comes to. This conclusion has the stance that it's from what I can tell. It's kind of a new. Argument which is that. What's not being addressed? White southerners are using the excuse of sexual violence by black men towards white women as an excuse to lynch black man, but the real reason behind it is that it's black economic progress, so she's like cost bullshit that you know this. This black man was flirting with this white woman, or they're secretly dating or you know He. He made lewd comments at her. That's a fucking excuse, because it makes people who think they're not racist. Say while he deserved that He. He shouldn't have done that when really it's because you open competing grocery store across the street from my grocery store. It's because you've become middle class. It's because you know emancipation proclamation happened, and we're fucking pissed about it, and so we're going to think of any excuse to go back to those days that allows us to murder you because without a fucking trial without any you know without with accusations. Being just lobbed at anyone, it's just. She calls bullshit on. It essentially yeah. So of course pamphlet is incredibly controversial. A mob storms the Memphis office of her paper, the free speech and headlight they destroy everything the printing press the whole fucking building, but fortunately ido was at a town at the time, and so she's unharmed, but she's worn that she could be killed if she ever returns to Memphis, so she's like good riddance. Goodbye fucking later days goodbye. And she vows never to go back to Memphis again so instead she relocates to Chicago where she continued to distribute her pamphlet, and in eighteen ninety-five she falls up with like more deeply researched and detailed pamphlet, and it's one hundred page pamphlet called the Red Record, which is famous, and in it she described lynchings in the United States since the emancipation proclamation, and it covers black people struggles in the south since the civil war and you know she's in Chicago now, so it's. Being, told to people who can be sympathetic to what she's arguing. Thread record explored the higher rates of lynching in the United States, which is at its peak from eighteen eighty to nineteen thirty. During reconstruction, most Americans outside the south didn't realize. How much violence was going on against black people in the south, and she urges black people in these high risk areas to get the fuck Outta town to save their families. She again connects lynching sexual violence and shows how this this myth. That's perpetrated of this Black Man's lust for white women is being used as an excuse to murder black men. Would happen for the Tulsa race mass. Exactly exactly yeah, it's yeah. Right so many of those stories. Yes, crazy, and it's just a fucking. Excuse because you're. you don't black people to succeed right, so she includes pages of graphic accounts about specific lynchings, and she shows that lynching as a tool of white supremacy to prevent social advancement of black people, so the red record has far reaching influence and And so both her pamphlets, southern horrors and the red record. The northerners are horrified by what they read and they didn't really know. Supposedly you know about these lynchings, and they kind of believed what they had heard out of the south, which is know this person deserved it and it was. A, what's it called Vigilante taliation retaliation vigilante justice which she's trying to tell her when it's not. So. So. She starts getting really involved in. Civil Rights. She leads the opposition against the ban that so. At the eighteen ninety three world's fair World Exposition. There's a ban against African American exhibitors, and she leads the opposition against that. And then she starts doing speaking tours in Britain and to campaign against lynching and they're like. And they're like yeah, fuck this show. What's going on in your fucking crazy country like they are right now, and there are shocked by the reports of Lynching in America already in eighteen ninety four, before she leaves the US for her second visit to great, Britain. William Penn Nixon. whose the editor of the daily Inter Ocean which is a republican newspaper in Chicago which by the way Republican doesn't mean the same thing, then as it means now it's kind of switched. It's the opposite. It was the only major white paper that persistently didn't denounce Lynching, and she tells Nixon out her plan tour, and he asked her to write for the newspaper while she's in England like an account of what's going on, so she becomes the first African American woman to be pay paid correspondent for an mainstream white newspaper well. So she tours England Scotland and Wales for two months. Addresses audience of thousands you know there's these rallies among the British and She gained extensive recognition. And an international audience of white supporters of her 'cause so back home in Chicago she mary's a prominent Any civil rights, activists and journalists name Ferdinand Burnett in eighteen, ninety five, and from then on, she's known as IDA, B Wells Barnett, but I fucking love this, and and in one of the podcast they listened to. They pointed out how so many black women back then hyphenated their names. which is so far like it's so common these days, but back then it's like no. She was already this. You know. She was not going to just change her last name. She died so much good and so much work and she was a known. Journalist the hyphenated an added his last name and fucking Kudos on him, because it sounds like he was like championing champion his wife. As a bad ass, who could go out and do her own shit and didn't have to just have kids and stay home. He must have been into it I mean not like. It's a great reminder that that type of man also exists. Like yeah I want you to be this bad ass, right? That's part of wife. I'm in love with you. And it seems like she waited to get married 'til she found that person which is so incredible He had founded the Chicago conservator. It's the first black newspaper in Chicago in eighteen, seventy eight, and so she began writing for the paper, and later acquired partial ownership of it and Assume the role of editor there, and they had Barnett children from a previous marriage, and then together, they had four more children Charles Herman, IDA and Alfreda so after brutal assault on the black community in Springfield Illinois in one, thousand, nine, hundred eight, which is whole, `nother, fucking conversation Is like. We have to take action. So the following year. She attends a special conference for the organization that would later become known as the N. double. ACP The national. Association for the Advancement of Colored People and is considered a founding member, but even to other activists and other founding members in the N. W. C. p. r.. FUCKING IDA is a little too much of a Spitfire and she's. She's a little like this is taking too long. You're not organized enough and she's like a bit of a like. How can I say this? She wasn't going to wait around for permission to do it exactly. Yeah, definitely had that. Attitude I mean that's the problem with politics. To as time it's like we have to go in, and then you have to kind of assimilate and make sure. Sure, that everybody quote unquote. Lakes you right so that you do so that you agree in you get support, but oftentimes I watched a whole I watched the whole thing on twitter this morning about this where it's like, and that's how oftentimes the through politics that this black movements get stalled our being told if you just wait a little longer and that happened with the abolitionists where? Where in the beginning, they were saying we'll get rid of slavery, but slowly and over and I literally I just watched this video this morning. So this is, it's on my twitter page. I retweeted. It's a brilliant woman. Her name's Britney Cooper and she is a Britney Dr Britney Cooper. She's a PhD Tracy Clayton is the person who tweeted it. Originally I was just re tweeting hers. Hydrogen, It's such. It's such a good thing, but I never thought of that where it's like they were like we'll get rid of slavery, but can you just ten more years, and then slowly, so no one gets upset and they were like. No, do it now it's. Now everything you know you have these powerful people and you need how these powerful ideas and by the time it gets through this fucking system. It's all watered down, and that's all sludge, and like we should be listening at point a of the people who are yelling about it, and not being fucking polite and not being you know conservative about their views. Rate and and don't let don't let people. Like pat you on the head and let you own your good friend. We're going to help you out, and then never do we have our agenda I? And once that's concluded so in one thousand, nine, zero nine. B Wells is the most prominent anti lynching campaigner in the United States, and among other accomplishments. She's created the first African American kindergarten in her community. She's passionate about women's rights and suffrage as well, and she's a spokeswoman and an advocate for women being successful in the workplace and having equal opportunities and creating a name for themselves. So this is all during the fucking you know suffrage movement as well, and she becomes part of that well, so in the years following, she focuses her work on black women's suffrage and along with her white colleague Bell Squire. They organized the Alpha suffrage. Club in Chicago in nineteen thirteen, and it's one of the most important black suffrage or In Chicago and it's founded as a way to further rights, voting rights for all women and to teach black women how to engage in civic matters into work to elect African, Americans to city offices so. Okay, so they're working on the club. And at the same time. The National American woman suffrage. Association is organizing a suffrage parade in Washington. DC they're like they're the big national and you know Susan B. Anthony. Everyone's on this fucking. Who was actually friend of hers, but so right before the inauguration of Woodrow Wilson in nineteen thirteen. They're planning this big parade and suffragettes from across the country gathered to demand. Demand universal suffrage and IDA was of course planning on attending with her alpha. Suffrage Club, and the head of the Illinois delegation told IDA and her delegates that they wanted to keep the delegation entirely white, so they were like well. We're doing this whole thing. It's all for suffrage us we are. We're supporting each other in the African American suffrage. Just need to go to the back of the parade. And Wells is like Oh. Yeah I'm totally going to fucking do that and so. She goes. She waits with the spectators in in the crowd for the parade. Just start, and as the white delegation from Chicago walks by she fucking slip senator, and as in line with them, and she's like what's up. Mother fuckers signed here and you're here because partly because I'm here to so I I'm with you yet, and you're not sending me the back. That's fucking. Ridiculous? That ask. So, also yeah, throughout the nineteen twenties she continues to fight and support causes for African Americans including the right to vote which she didn't even get herself until she was in her fifties, and in nineteen thirty, she unsuccessfully sought elective office, and when she ran as an independent for in the Illinois Senate but she doesn't make it. Ida Wells dies of kidney failure and Chicago on March twenty fifth. Nineteen thirty one at the age of just sixty eight. And she had begun writing her autobiography, but never finished it, and so instead it was edited and published by her daughter Alfreda Barnett Duster and nineteen seventy. It's called Crusade for justice, the autobiography of Ida B Wells and then she left behind the Sir Roic legacy of social and political activism, and since her death. Numerous awards have been established in her name and the IDA B. Wells Memorial Foundation and the IDA. B Wells. Museum have been established to protect preserve and promote her legacy. And this past month in May of Twenty Twenty Ida B Wells Barnett was posthumously awarded a Pulitzer Prize no yeah. The highest award given in print journalism, she special citation for outstanding and Courageous Reporting Thuc Ya. MAZING is that. It's fucking right a month ago. In Two thousand, Nineteen Congress Parkway in Chicago. I. Don't fuck a No. This was renamed IDA B. Wells Drive Congress parkway. Wow is renamed IDA b wells drive and the home that she and her family lived in was designated a national historic landmark in nineteen, seventy, four and Chicago landmark in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five, and her great granddaughter Michelle Duster. Who Find Her on twitter? She's awesome, as well has published two collections of IDA's. Ida's original works IDA in her own voice and Ida from abroad, and she recently said about her great grandmother quote, the only thing she really had was the truth, and she used journalism as a tool to not just report what was going on, but she used her skill as a journalist to the best of her ability to impact social change, and that is just a snippet of the incredible story of IDA B wells wow. That's that was great. Thank you great job. I mean this is not I'm ashamed to say that. This is someone I really knew. About are these incredible people? Doing incredible things with with. You know. With No. Resources they just decide to do them because they have to. And it's they're calling. And despite you know their parents dying, despite you know having to drop out of high school and in a lot of these podcasts they listened to. They talk about how don't make Ur this savior? Because then it makes people who are just normal everyday. People think that they can't add anything and they can't contribute anything. When really it's people who are fucking. And use their skills like writing to do incredible things and just don't fucking. Give Up. They just don't give up. Even when their their their entire businesses burned to the ground, they move somewhere. where, they'll be listened to and start over. It's just. She's an incredible woman, Yeah. That was amazing Georgia that was It's embarrassing as a fifty year old woman to be learning about stuff like this, but better now better late than never. And so inspiring so inspiring. Yeah, Oh, there was my my therapists also said thing I really liked. There's a a writer named Rebecca Solnit and she sang in times like this. When you feel lost, and you're not sure what to do next instead of looking for if you look forward and there's nothing that you can see. There's not a path forward than look back. see what people did in the past. Have figure out what aligns with your values and then take the next right step. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I know like we just have to be. Helpers, yes, can't we know we know? MISSTEP instead fucked up shit and done things incorrectly. All those things where it's just like an. How do you do it now? At this crucial time better? How late at this time very dire and so? We thought that it intentions were all that mattered. Good intentions were all that mattered. And now we're learning that intentions are bullshit you have to. Walk the walk. It's action at this point where we are now. It's about action. That's right. Well and so I was worried about this because I picked this story to do because June. Is Gay Pride Month gap so I? Picked the STONEWALL uprising hell yeah. Hell out. And also because when I picked this, which was like six days ago. UH-HUH I was like Oh yeah. You know uprising in protest. That's cool it you know those are the fucking national dot call whereas you know, the vibe changed. But what's interesting as then going through it and reading it, all these things are connected. This is very much connected to the civil rights movement of the Earth earlier in the sixties, and that it was kind of fascinating to actually discover that as I as I was reading through so. just to cite some sources here. History Dot com saved my life on this. I swear to God that website like it's re. If you are slightly unsure about anything that has happened in the past history dot, com is your place to go. That's right. Information dates names accuracy documentaries every all about. Yeah, they know their stuff, but you can. You can bring up a very easy to consume kind of You know like short article that just gives you everything you need to know. Know. It's really well put together. Thank you, history dot, com There's also great articles in out magazine Pink. News DOT CO DOT UK. There's this great article in the Atlantic called an amazing nineteen sixty-nine account of the stonewall uprising by a writer named guarantees Frank Rueda, and that was from twenty thirteen. It's that's incredible. The detail is crab is incredible, so so we can't really talk about the stonewall. Until we talk about the now historic event that took place. Before the nineteen sixty woolworth's lunch counter sit in by the Greensboro Four. So this basically, and for some people, this is just a history refresher and for some people. This is new information so we'll just be real basic about it. This was basically a in. That was organized by four college. Students named Zell. Blair junior David Richmond. Franklin McCain, and Joseph McNeil and they would later go on to say that it was modeled after what they saw Gandhi doing in India with the British colonialism, but the reason that they took the action was because five years earlier, nine, nineteen, fifty, five fourteen year old Emmett till was murdered in money. Mississippi. For allegedly flirting with a white woman who was a cashier at the store where he was buying bubble gum, so relatives of this woman heard that that a fourteen year old black boy had flirted with her right went went to the family member's house. He was actually from Chicago. He had just come down to Mississippi to stayed with some family, and they kidnapped him out of the House and beat him to death fourteen year old boy, and he looks like a baby two pairs of him, he looks. He looks like he's ten. M his murderers were arrested, tried and then acquitted by an all white male jury sixty seven minutes of deliberations. And then a year later, those same men that were acquitted. Because they were protected by double jeopardy confessed to the crimes in an article for look magazine, and they were paid four thousand dollars for the story. So far the Clinton on, let's let that sink in. That's fucking insane. It's insane and then later on the white woman. Who was that clerk? said he never has one of the rumors it was. He flirted with her. Any touched her hand, and she later in in like two, thousand, eighteen or twenty seventeen. He later said right before she died. He never touched me and whatever he did that. He did not deserve what he got. But of course you know I'd like to. I'd like to retract saying that it's insane because that wasn't insane for the Times that it was not insane or for the times and. How much has changed? Really I mean and So. and. That's kind of the point is like if we don't talk about these stories, and and we don't if we don't know these stories already. Then we can't understand what people are so infuriated about right so this the egregious nece bisque this happened in nineteen, fifty five wasn't the late eight yards. It wasn't even nineteen thirty. It was nineteen fifty five, so this was a tipping point for lots and lots of especially young people in the south, so on February first nineteen sixty. The greaseboard four went to their local woolworths, which was segregated whites, only lunch counter, and they sat down and they tried to order they of course were refused service because they were black, so they just then sat there peacefully and refused to leave. The police were called, but they actually couldn't really arrest them. 'cause they weren't doing. They weren't disturbing the peace. They were just sitting there and also because. because. These four men were smart enough to be in cahoots with a white business owner who was helping them out who knew they were going to do this and that white business owner the second. He knew that they were in there, doing it called the press, so the press showed us to report what was happening key, thus keeping everyone honest that thus making sure that the police knew that. That, this was going to be reported as it happened. If you see people getting pissed off, you know that journalists are being fucking shot with rubber bullets in gassed and fucking arrested. It's because they're not supposed to be. It's that's just not how it works, and also would a lot of people. Are you know I've seen this? Re tweeted a ton of times that one of the checkpoints of of. Of knowing an authoritarian regime is taking over is they've vilifying the press and trying to get rid of the press? Because the press for as much as they, you know we can talk about what the problems in the media, but essentially they're there to keep people on us. They're there to tell the truth of what's happening right and to make sure that people understand the truth of what's happening. And the whole assaults on on the media with this fake news. Bullshit of this administration has just made people go well I don't have to believe writing and therefore I choose not to and therefore I live in this other fantasy world, right? Now, there's stormtroopers on the fucking Lincoln Memorial Okay. So what a brilliant move that was by these four men to go make sure the presses there. Okay, so they stay there. All night will worse closes. They leave. They go back the next day. There's more people in this. Sit in and four days later. in addition to the grease well for the original four protesters, three hundred people are sitting at this woolworth's asking to be served and. So at this point now it's become national news in just that Short amount of time. They're saying something is happening here and. There were people like at this point. A lot of the people who participated in this protest were arrested for disorderly conduct trespassing and disturbing the peace, because this was such a defiant act, just simply sitting when they're being told to leave, or you can't be inherent abused. Verbally they just didn't do it. It was just that act of simple act of defiance of I'm not getting up from here and so people were definitely arrested, but by this time it was national news. It was on TV which was which. which was new at the time to be actually witnessing this stuff on TV correct me if I'm wrong, but like every family having a TV in their household wasn't. It was kind of a new thing. Yes, I sure, and then that it isn't like we were saying before people can't. It's it's they're just sitting there and so you can't argue they're asking for. Something all they're saying is this shouldn't be whites, only segregation and the Jim. Crow laws need to get. We need to get rid of them. They're so old and it's so It's it's basically. Killing this country it's it's it's not A. It's not how America should be so at that point it sparks a trend of sins in college towns across the south, so it's now it's not just Greensboro. It's now across the south, and by the end of the summer of nineteen sixty, not only that woolworth's but many other segregated businesses across the south become integrated, and that is essentially the the kick off of the civil rights movement on the national stage, and it's because of those four men who basically had the guts to sit there quietly and and just keep showing up. So six years later on April twenty, first nineteen, sixty, six, inspired by the Greensboro four three members of a a group, called the Mashing Society, which is one of the earliest gay rights organizations in America and there are three guys named Andy Wiktor Dick Leitch and Craig Rodwell. Stage what they call a sip been nice play on words while so in the sixties. If you're gay, you could actually be charged with being quote. Unquote disorderly just for being served alcohol in a bar, so that meant that it was legal to deny service to anyone that the bartender or anyone thought was gay, and the cops could arrest anyone at a bar if they suspected that they were gay or to use the word that. That was used at the time a transvestite. That's what people call themselves back. Then so that that word comes up a little bit, which now is problematic, but it was actually the parlance of the time, so so these three guys Andy Wexler Dick Light and Craig Rodwell. They decide they're going to go into bars in. Greenwich Village and ask to be served drinks, and then and basically do the same thing of like get. And then in, you know so They actually went to to bars I that served them because they didn't seem overtly gay right to those bartenders. And then they got to Julius so they had to leave because they they're like. NOPE, that's SIP in. Did work they finally gets is Julius is bar in Greenwich Village, and they tell the bartender. They're gay and they would like to order some drinks. The bartender says you can't get out in part because Julius is three days before had been rated, so they're like we don't want any trouble. The cops. The cops are just in here so. Basically now, these three guys have proof that they're being discriminated against, and now they can take action against a state liquor authority, and now they can actually take this to the courts. And when they do they have. There's a court case that ultimately makes this type of disorderly charge against gay people illegal, so they couldn't. They couldn't be arrested simply for drinking in a bar anymore. Okay? and it's interesting like if you're interested in this. Look into it because. Some of those laws were started because the mayor of New York City at the time they had the the world's fair was in nineteen, sixty four, and they tried to do a sweep of the city and get rid of all overtly gay like people bars gathering places like ski. All the tourists were gonNA. Come in, and God forbid right. Did you real quick? Did you watch a love? On Net flicks? No I. I haven't heard of it. It's really good. It's a documentary about these chew women. They're lesbians and their relationship, but it talks a lot about their only friends back at the time where other gay couples in the sixties and seventies because you are not allowed to go to bars, so they would just like. Hang out at their houses and have parties, but it's a really good documentary. A secret love. Yeah okay. Okay. But as we all know, just because you change the law that does not mean you change society or the way society decides to look at people who are marginalized so despite this little bit of progress, Gay transgender and other queer people still have almost nowhere they can go, and just to overtly out be themselves in a safe environment with with the exception of like a handful of gay bars. In Greenwich Village which which is where a ton of people lived at the time in the city. So the gay bars that that people knew were gay. Bars operate very discreetly because. New York New York City refused to grant her New York states or refused to grant liquor licenses to gay bars so. Basically they're trying to get rid of gay bars by making the operation itself illegal so that the police can justify rating these bars and arresting people, but even still these bars you know they serve as safe havens for the surrounding gay and Queer Communities So. most notable of these bars is the Stonewall Inn at fifty, one and fifty three Christopher Street so. three member and Mrs, fascinating to me three members of the genovise mafia crime family by the building in nineteen, sixty six, and it had been a a straight restaurant and nightclub, and they change into a gay one. Because they know that there's money to MIA illegal gay bars. Where they're paying off, the cops and everything is like under the table. So to keep a low overhead, the building his bare bones walls are painted on their line with colored lights. There's no running water behind the bar. Plumbing in the bathrooms constantly backs up when customers get to the front door. There's a bouncer that looks at him through a people and the only people allowed inside are people who are overtly. It's visibly gay. Gay for example like. Men Who are who addressed them, or people who the bouncer already know. Yeah, so it's almost like a private club in that way. It cost three dollars to get in. And then that is also too dry were to drink tickets. Once you get inside a nice. and the main of the Stonewall Inn is that they allowed dancing in addition to drinking, which other gay bars did not allow because it causes men dancing together women answering together, which is over. Shuo over. which is also a thing that later on and I won't get you into it because it's very, it's very interesting, but I. don't know enough about it to talk about, but essentially there is division once once gay rights and that that movement started up. There's lots of division within of how you're supposed to behave right which is. Expected and common, but it's really interesting, so it's like we just WanNa, be accepted, so act like this. Yeah, and then there's other groups that are going fuck that shit. Yeah which personally love okay so. I always love those people the most so. The other draw. Draw for Stonewall is that. It welcomes Queer people of all races and even underage queer kids because it's so common back then. If People's families found out, they were gay, they just get kicked out of the house. And they literally lived on the streets in New York City, most of them would go to the big city thinking they would be accepted there and So that was a that was a big part of it too homeless gay kids, which is you know still a big issue today but you know especially back then when it was like you know just you. It was unthinkable and so and. And parents felt very justified in just cutting their child off crazy so it's actually an even mix at the Stonewall Inn. It's an even mix of white, black and Brown people ranging in ages from late teens to mid thirties and and of course for the homeless youth with nowhere else to go, and for other people who've been cast aside by the people that are supposed to love them. The stonewall becomes a home for a lot of these people, a true home, not a second home. They're only home and other than that. They live on the streets serve. It's a refuge. To Beautiful Jay wrote this. It serves as a refuge from the world that refuses to acknowledge their humanity Oh. So. It Jay, good job. One such patron of the Stonewall Inn is dragged queen, a transgender woman named Marsha p Johnson okay, so Marsha p Johnson was born in nineteen, forty, five and Elizabeth New Jersey and she starts wearing dresses when she's five years old, which made me laugh so hard. It makes me think of my beautiful for Dave Messmer who he has pictures of himself wearing his sister slip this picture of him in a slip is. And he used to talk Easter. Tell me about it and go my slip my slip because he would wear it constantly like his mom would be like. Hey, don't you want? We're take the slip off. We're going to the store. I have to wear my slip. It's the best. It's thing like if you have any question about nature versus writer, you need to see this picture his slip. It's the realness. Look, it's the tree realness so anyway. So. When Marsha finally does. Graduate from high school she gets gets out of Elizabeth New Jersey runs out of New York City with just a bag of clothes and fifteen dollars Oh my God. Yeah, she gets by doing sex work, barely managing to survive on the streets, but she gets to be yourself finally for the first time wearing dresses, loud colors, flowers, and fruit and Christmas lights inner hair. In Christmas license. Yeah, gend early legend. Marsha P. Johnson so when and when people ask her what the P. Her name stands for. She always has pay it no mind. So a genius so she's met. Of course with tons of violence, outrage from just the general public, but when she's in places like Stonewall, she finds her chosen family, other Queens, queers and gays except for who she is, and she's an incredibly open, optimistic, friendly person. If you're friendly to her and she maintains her Christian religion, she's often seen praying for her friends at local churches and she this killed me this. She says Jesus is the only man I could really trust He listened to me and he never laughed at me. Yeah, and some people even call her saint. Marsha for because she's so generous and so lovely now, so someone who benefits from marshes, generousity, as is a young Latina cts queen named Sylvia Rivera so Sylvia's father left her family when she was a baby, and then her mother committed suicide when she was three. As a kid, she lived with her grandmother, but then when she would dress up in mount grandmother's clothes and makeup, her grandmother would beat her. So when she turns eleven, she runs away lives on the streets of new. York, city, yeah, horrifying, but it such a sadly common story. Yeah, she meets in nineteen sixty three while she's also working as a sex worker, she said quote. Marsha was like a mother to me. and she says that Marcia always looked out for her gave her a semblance of stability and loved her like no one else ever had. So okay, so those are just we need to meet those two key players, and now we go to the night of Saturday, June, twenty, eighth, nineteen, sixty nine. That night. There's about two hundred people at the Stonewall Inn partying dancing. Doing their thing is one of the only places that they can go to drink and dance, and just be there fabulous cells freely. This bar does not have a liquor license as I said, there are controlled by the genevieve's crime family, so hate us. Guys love it. Just love it because you know you can pretend. That means that they are doing it because they some way gay people. Is Not true. So basically they pay off the local cops and to stay in business so purely for appearances. The cops have to raid the bar every once in a while to make it look like it's all above board. And normally what happens is. one of the mobsters gives the bar owners, a heads up on. Saturday night wouldn't be normal time to do it either I don't know well. No, I mean not according to the story. Yeah, normally they get the heads up that the cops are coming, and then they hide the booze, and they tell all the customers so anybody that has to leave because they're not out, or they're at risk in some way can run. Well this time there's no warning so around one twenty in the morning for undercover police and four cops in uniform raid, the Stonewall Inn. And even though everyone's surprise, raids are so common back then that the employees and the customers kind of know the drill so basically they have to line up while the COP checks everybody's ide-, and then any one that quote dress like a woman is taken to the bathroom and checked to quote verify their sex. Oh, yeah, so demeaning so such so gross, so and then basically anyone who is wearing women's clothing, but doesn't have seen male genitalia is arrested. He's there's video of them being like heard it into the paddy wagons. Who right outside of like I don't know if there's video. I've seen picture. There's amazing pictures, because well. Yeah, so. and there's a lot of pictures in this at that Atlantic article that I mentioned that are great, because there's some people who are enraged and screaming than the there's there's people kind of in the back row that are kind of like laughing and cheering, because the thing becomes this event. Yeah, so okay, so this is what happened, so. Basically this time they're everyone's fucking sick of it where it's like these rates happen all the time, and they're coming into like their clubhouse basically Yano. They're the one spot they have so. A lot of the queer patrons just refuse to hand over their ID's or go willingly with these arresting officers to go get quote, unquote so in response to the refusals, the police start of course abusing the stonewall patrons, so they're dragging their getting really physical dragging people away to arrest them there frisking customers that they know or lesbians, so they're groping lemon. Lemon molesting them right so is so tension escalates very quickly. Meanwhile, the police are also confiscating all the booze they can find which is like twenty eight cases of beer, nineteen bottles of hard liquor, but it so much that they have to call for a second paddy wagon to come and haul it away along with these people. They're planning to arrest. They released. Released anyone that's not under arrest, and then they force all the arrested patrons to wait, but the people who are released dis- stand around outside waiting to see what's going to happen because they're. They're not just GONNA like run. Which I really love so then there's people passing by the bar. Who notice what's going on and they stop to join the group outside. Outside and they see what's happening that it's this raid and their you know these cops are getting violent, and it's that it's not this the normal like what they expect with the stonewall. Inn is like they do the quote. Unquote Rada and then they go through the motions and race. Fine 'cause they're paying. You know they're being paid off. Yeah, that. All the sudden. It's different, so the group starts is. Not Cool with it obviously, and they start mocking the police. They're doing fake salutes there yelling shit at them. They're leaning into the FEM behavior. They're doing limp wrists and primping their hair. Yeah, They're also making fun of the police. They're you know they're they're. Walking the police in their faces, doing all this overt shit that normally it's like they've normally if it was a raid, their shamed into right on running away, not showing their faces, or whatever well the officers start shoving the patrons, their way and the Patriots start pushing back, and this contention starts building at one point. They very forcefully throw a butch lesbian named stormy. Delivery and they throw her into the paddy wagon and as they do, she yells to the crowd. Why don't you guys do something? And, so they do. And suddenly rocks, bottles and bricks are being thrown at the police. The police are using excessive force to try to restrain the crowd. They're completely outnumbered. Because now. The crowd is very quickly grown and is very quickly involved. Yeah, some of the patrons who have been handcuffed that were supposed to be arrested. Get Away. One of the patrons suggests that maybe the cops showed up because the owners hadn't paid them off yet, so another one yells. Let's pay them off and they start throwing pennies at the. Back and part of the group tries to flip the patty wagon over Gish. While other people run around and slash the tires of the COP cars, there's officers. The driving those cop cars jumped into them and drive away with flat tires because they know. They know they're. They're outnumbered. The the cops that stay grab a bunch of the patrons that are handcuffed and they go back inside the stonewall and basically barricade themselves in. Now that move itself is is. Is One of the reasons. Things escalated even further because. And they enter a read. This quote from that. Article about how basically the cops were humiliated. Because normally they have such a hold over fee, and has a power over the quote, unquote ferries, which is what they were called back in the day, so the idea that all these people who they are were used to being shamed and hiding their face, and you know Oh my God I'm being arrested for this, and it's so terrible now. They're just like no fuck you and they're. The police are so scared. They have to run back into the bar, being humiliated for the yeah, probably the I like this doesn't happen especially back then they're fucking with the power structure. That's when that's when the people with the power get scared and mad. So so essentially the they're not sure either the crowd or the police inside set the building on fire hock. We don't have so. They're. They're not sure because it could have been the crowd outside to make the police comeback our There's also a theory that the cops inside did it because they were destroying the inside of the stonewall in any way because they had they smashed the jukebox. They were doing all kinds of shit inside, so they're like well, then they probably lit limited on fair also, but then the logic of that is like, but they're in there right, so they don't know for sure. There's also a lot of debate surrounding who through the first object, because people attributed to Sylvia Rivera but she's later quoted saying I drew the second one. I did not throw the first. And I'm sticking to that. That's everyone's guys. That's our story from now on I three second one. I do the second one other say. Marsha p Johnson through the first brick, but she later goes on record to say she wasn't there until two am. When the building was already on fire. I love that. She shows at fashionably late to a riot up. She's like what gross what's going on. So the most important thing is that the uprising at the stonewall and can't be credited to just one person, because it really is about the collective effort of this oppressed community at primarily black and Brown transgender or non gender, conforming people who have been pushed to their limits and have the like one of the things they even have in the world taken away from them, and that's what sparked this uprising so basically everyone there is prepared to defend their home, and especially this is the era of the civil rights movement. The Anti Vietnam War Movement. A general culture influence the Queer people of New York City are fired up and they've had enough this shitty treatment, so as the fight rages on the tactical patrol force, the T pf, which is basically the NYPD's riot control unit. They arrived to fight back against the crowd, and then and free the police that are inside stonewall so they basically they form this formation to try to drive the crowd. Crowd back to get away from the stone while in, but of course now this crowd is on fire, and so they're cheering their mocking the police instead of retreating, they form like a showgirl style. Kick Line Shit, and they start doing a kick line. No singing at the COPS, a legit kick line. Yoga Bob Kohler who is a local gay rights activist. was there that night and describes what he witnessed? Quote I had been in enough riots. Fund was over. The cops were totally humiliated. This never ever happened. They were angrier than I. Guess they had ever been because everybody else had rioted, but the fairies were not supposed to riot. No group had ever forced cops to retreat before, so the anger was just enormous. And quote masculine fragility. So furious embarrassed. The police rushed the crowd, pummeling them again with excessive force by four am. The streets are mostly cleared and the Stonewall Inn is destroyed from the inside out, and basically the cops inside that had been basically. They just ripped everything down they basically we're just basically trying to shut the place down for good like they'll be nothing lack. Is anyone dead in the fire? Okay, no, not that I know so thirteen people are arrested summer hospitalized for their injuries. four officers are hurt, but it's minor. The next day they continue protesting so people supporters go and they spray paint things like drag power and legalize gay bars, and we are open on the outside of the. STONEWALL INN and so now it's Saturday. June twenty eighth, and they stonewall will actually does open, but this time it's there's no bouncer. There's no people that's people just standing out in the open, and it's thousands of people gathering in the streets around this where the crowd stretches out to the surrounding blocks in this neighborhood. So the police arrive on the scene, and they're met with opposition at one point Marsha P. Johnson climbs a lamppost and drops a bag with a brick in it onto the hood of a cop car. That's probably why she got the credit for throwing the first brick because she second night, she got up there. Invoking went for it. And I think there is a picture of her on that Lamppost if I'm not mistaken. But the battle between people and the police continues till four am with several more arrests, and in total the stonewall uprising six days, and it's a mix of peaceful protests, looting destruction of property and total freedom of expression six days in that neighborhood six days, and obviously like of day to there's thousands of people like an event. so by the time the uprising settles down. Major News outlets have picked up on the story, and they've made it clear to anyone who's watching. The queers will have their liberation come hell or high water and the effect. Start taking hold immediately, so there's people who wants felt hopeless, and now they're emboldened. There's gay demonstrations you see gape couple holding hands out. Out and about which last happened before this people dressing? Totally out of control like any way, they wanted yeah. I should say out of control, but like yeah, well actually dressing the way they wanted without the fear of Oh. If somebody sees me, the I can somehow be arrested for disorderly conduct, just because I'm dressed like this so clearly this community they're done with being in the closet and toning themselves down to make straight. People feel comfortable. in a matter of months, gay and Queer newspapers or cropping up around the city, there called once called gay, once called come out with an exclamation point, and once called gay power, and their popularity and readership steadily climbs. Okay, so this is this is kind of amazing. This is a this is a quote from that article from the Atlantic and Amazing Nineteen sixty-nine account of the stonewall uprising, written by guarantees Frank Rueda. But what's incredible is Dick. Lice, who is one of the three guys who did the SIP in? Yes, he was he was. Planning, a trip to London but he saw what was happening and went down there so he could report on it oh. Wow, yes, because he was, he was also a journalist, and so yeah, so he went down. So this is just a portion. There's a big long part of what he wrote in this article, but I just pulled this portion of it. 'cause. It's really cool, so so this is what Dick Lights. Lights wrote about the stonewall. Uprising quotes since nineteen sixty five. The homosexual community of New York has been treated quite well by the city administration, and the police have either reformed or been kept in line by Lindsey and Leery now we've walked in the open and know how pleasant it is to have self respect, and to be treated as citizens and human beings. We want to stay in the sunlight from now on efforts to force. Force us back in the closet could be disastrous for all concerned the above well, a true evaluation of the situation does not explain while the rate on stonewall caused such a strong reaction why the stonewall and not the sewer or the snake pit, which were other game. They were okay. The answer lies. We believe in the unique nature of the stonewall. This club was more than a dance bar more than just a gathering place it. It catered largely to a group of people who are not welcome in or cannot afford other places of homosexual social, gathering the Dr-. The quote drags, and the quote Queens to groups which would find a chilly reception or a bar door. At most of the other gay bars and clubs formed the regulars at the stonewall to a large extent. The club was for them apart from the gold bug, and the one two three. Yeah. Yeah love it drags in Queens had no place, but the stonewall and the group was even more dependent on the Stonewall, the very young homosexuals, and those with no other homes. You've got to be eighteen to buy a drink in a bar and gay life revolved around bars. Where do you go if you are seventeen or sixteen and gay? The legitimate bars wouldn't let you in the place and gay. Gay restaurants and the streets aren't very sociable then to their hundreds of young homosexuals in New York. Who Literally have no home? Most of them are between sixteen and twenty five and came here from other places without jobs, money or contacts. Many of them are running away from unhappy homes. One boy told US quote. My father called me Cock sucker so many times. I thought it was my name. Jesus! Another set his parents bought so much over which of them made him a homosexual that he left, so they can learn to live together. Some got thrown out of school or the service for being gay, and couldn't face going home. Some are even thrown out of their homes with only the clothes on their backs by ignorant intolerant parents who'd rather see their kid dead than homosexual. They came to New York with the. The clothes on their backs. Some of them hustled or had skills enough to get a job. Others weren't attractive enough to hustle and didn't manage to fall in with people who could help them some of them Giddy at the openness of gay life in New York, got caught up in it, and some are on pills and drugs. Some are still wearing the clothes in which they came here a year or more ago. Jobless, and without skills without decent clothes to wear to a job interview, they live in the streets, panhandling or shoplifting for the price of admission to the stonewall that was one advantage to the place for three dollars admission one could stay inside out of the winter's cold or the summer he all night long known only was the Stonewall, better climactic, but it also saved the kids from spending the night in a doorway from getting arrested as vagrants. Vagrants three dollars isn't too hard to get panhandling and nobody hustled drinks in the stonewall. Once the admission price was paid, one could drink or not as he chose, the stonewall became home to these kids when it was raided, they fought for it that and the fact that they had nothing to lose other than the most tolerant broadminded gay place in town explains why the stonewall riots were begun lead and spearheaded by Queens. That is our mazing. But you know necessary Dan because it's. It's Dick, light shoes like they're basically saying. There's a caste system within this community. And and you and you actually went to the one place. You can't take that. You can't take the one thing people have away from that, and then they have nothing to lose. Don't fuck never never fucking underestimate underdogs, and the fucking discounted and people who have already struggled their fucking lives yet. New this. is nothing new there so brave there, so yeah, exactly they know how to fight. Yeah, okay, so there are some members of the gay community including Marsha P. Johnson founded the Gay Liberation Front which is an activist group dedicated to liberating the gay people of America. This group gives way to more groups like it across America and into Canada and in the immediate aftermath There are some. Some gays who say they don't agree with what happened at Stonewall, and this is where groups like the Mattachine Society fall apart, because efforts of always been to show straight people that gay people are quote like them, and so they want gays to fit in with the Straits and assimilate to their culture, but queer people involved in stone while opera uprising were saying assimilation plays into the oppressors hand. Basically. The beautiful thing about this is is being able to be your genuine self full stop not with not trying to meet the expectations of anybody else, and that's what transgender activists like Marcia and Sylvia start fighting for the freedom to be yourself whatever that is, so they make it a point to continue the in the years following stonewall in nineteen seventy Sylvia and more starting organization called Street transvestite. transvestite action revolutionaries, which supports Queer Youth in New York City by Nineteen seventy-two. They've pulled together enough money to purchase a house which they call the Star House, no to the acronym for the street transvestite action, revolutionaries, eleven, and they use this house to house. Homeless Queer Youth and Sylvia and Marsha Fund the House through sex work. So that the kids who live there don't have to do it themselves. it's beautiful. The Star Organization also jumps. into other equal rights and anti police brutality causes around the city, marching and protests and supporting. Other marginalized people in any way they can, but as they head into the early seventies, more and more people start to peel themselves away from transgender gender queer causes the gay. Liberation Movement starts to think about trans. Rights as being too difficult to attain so separate from activists like Marcia and silly, and Sylvia and to give the thinking was to give gay causes a better chance. Than at the gay, pride, March and nineteen. Seventy-three, Sylvia tries to make a speech, but is repeatedly blocked by other gay activists, and she eventually grabs the Mike and Yells. If it wasn't for the drag Queens, there would be no gay liberation movement. We're the frontliners so shortly after that she attempts suicide, but Marsha finds her and saves her life. So the stonewall uprising very quickly gives way to the gay rights, movement and Pride celebrations now start taking place all around the world on June twenty, eighth nineteen, seventy, the queer community in New York City gathered outside of Stonewall for the first annual Christopher Street Liberation Day they commemorate the stonewall uprising with a March and Los. Angeles and Chicago follow suit with their own marches and a also San. San Francisco that same year San Francisco has the. They have what they call a sit in They marched on Polk Street and then they have a sit in themselves. and the next year. Boston, Dallas, Milwaukee, and even Paris. London West Berlin and Stockholm all host pride marches of their own every year, the number of participating cities grows until we reach the pride month celebrations, no them today. But as we celebrate pride, it's important to remember. That were able to celebrate this in the first place because black and Brown transgender queer and Queens like Marcia and Sylvia. And more fought for everyone's liberation, and that is a very rudimentary report on the legendary protest. That was the stonewall uprising. Wow, I did not know those details at all. That is amazing. Isn't that? I mean this is so there's so much more geno and learn and so many details, and but you know cliff. No, it's it's. It's a start, but I mean I kind of do love this. It all folds together, yeah! Yeah. There's a lot of brave people out there and what we're seeing happening right now in front of us has happened before. It doesn't have to be a scary as it can sometimes feel because if you look back in the past, there have been people who have been so brave in such insanely oppressive times, and if we can know these stories and talk about those stories we can, we can steal a little. Little bit of their bravery in it now, so we can do our work and it's. It's really inspiring to see that those brave people have made changes so what we're going through right now in the fear and anxiety and stress of it all, and and it's so scary, but it's for a cause, and and it works, and in the past it's worked and That's why it's happening. Not just it's not for. For nothing that's right, and it's an it is about this is about actually having respect for human life. This is not it's not about teaching people a lesson. It's not about being anti fisker branch dot group. It's like you cannot keep on killing black people with nothing and having nothing happened because of it. Yeah, that's that's happening today, but that's also. It has been happening for so long right? Yeah, just black lives matter. Matter everybody. Great job, we really want to hear your fucking her as from the past week. And what what's been going on for you and your wins? Please email us at my favorite murder at g mail, or tweet at us or comment on our instagram and let us know you know how how this is affected you and what and what you're doing to help the apple that it's that it affects in the in the real day to day. 'cause that's that's what's exciting is. Watching people really come together right? Thank you guys for listening. Stay safe. Stay strong. Stay sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis. You WanNA cookie.

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Podcast #280 - Juliencast

Jenna & Julien Podcast

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Podcast #280 - Juliencast

"DINK DINK! HELLO EVERYBODY WELCOME BACK! To the PODCAST. Help, all of you are doing well. this week. And moving forward for the time being, it is just me, it is just Julian This is the genitalium podcast used to a big party at the beginning of dinking it up and high five and. It's just me this weekend. General not be here. She is not curly on line and. I. Will Link a short clip down below? If you would like more info on that. but it's just me here today, so you and I. We're GONNA hang out just a little bit. All Right Yes so if you're if you're curious about why it's just me here, more info on that in the link down below. It's a it's a twitch highlight from basically a we can go but. I was trying to think about. How first of all? Just trying to think about how to do a solo podcast because. It's interesting. The dynamic is a bit interesting. Right because it's like I'm used to having back and forth with a person, right? But then again I stream a lot of the time. And that's really just me talking to myself like I'm talking to you guys in chat, but at the same time if you're like if you're just from the outside looking, it's just one. Talking to themselves. so I figured I would kind of Mixed the two a little bit. So I went to dischord discord, and I got. some of you guys to send in some questions and If you wanted to get advice for me, I don't know why anyone would want that. so I have a few different things that are. I guess I'm going to try to? Talk about with you guys based on some of your feedback. and we're GONNA. Hang out for a little bit. This episode is brought to you by post mates. You've heard US talk about post meets a lot is the greatest delivery APP if you'd like food delivered to you and you don't want to go get it post mates as their. They got your back all right and they don't just deliver pad Thai despite what you may think. Based on. Listening and watching me. Talk About Pad Thai. 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Oh my God he is. A Disaster Child I think someone said that in like a comments section, or maybe it was our friend. Someone said Kermit was a disaster child, and it it is, it is raining so true. Just, knowing him and seeing him on a daily basis, he everything. That could happen. Just happens to him. I like it's. I don't know He. He just has that about him. He's so. He stepped on a be. All the dogs were outside walking around. It was a hot day. And he just he goes. We're like Oh God would happen and he runs over, and he's like limping and his paws little red. Luckily, he's not allergic to bees, and we know the protocol for what happens, but Boy He's he is truly just. He's truly just something special. and I know he's not here right now, and you haven't seen him for a little bit, but he's doing well other than getting. Stung by a bee today? So I answered earlier that I was GonNA. Use Discord. If you don't know dischord, is it's it's an awesome community based server that. We have primarily that that I use for the Stream. Twitch Stream. I'll leave a link down below if you'd like to join, but there's a bunch of different chat rooms and a channels. Where people can Talk about stuff or submit pictures or whatever it's. It's very cool platform anyway. There's a podcast suggestion group that we have. And a lot of you guys have been. jumping in there with a lot of really really helpful suggestions. On. Things, that I could do solo in the podcast because for the time being that's that's what's going to be it's GonNa be me on the podcast, so i WanNa thank you guys everyone who has participated in this. Awesome, list of of really good ideas I. I'm going to be going through the dischord on a regular basis now trying to put together. Cool content that I could That I can make for you here. just in talking know it's. Like I said earlier. It's like you're used to two people, so to have one is a bit different, but at the same time. I. Do feel like. The I don't know I. Think one of the special parts about a podcast short feel like you're just. You're listening in our conversation. Even if it's sort of like a stream of consciousness, I personally listened to a lot of Solo podcasts. And I? It's weird because I listened to them, but I still don't know how to do them. A lot of stuff I listened to is actually much higher higher production, and there's a lot of people behind the scenes, even though it's just one person on the podcast, so I don't know I do want to give A. Special shout out. To someone in the discord by the name of Cardamon. suggested for my Solo podcast I just play Jenga. By myself. So that it would be the Ginga Julian podcast now. First of all. Your brain. I love it So thank you but second of all I actually Louis scoured our game closet. I always like to. We have Jenga on please and we don't have it. We don't have Jenga. I would have done it I. Literally would have done Django by myself. And it would have been the Jenga Jillian podcast. Maybe in the future, though it also be really fucking loud. When she fell down. But I never I never lose, so it would be fine I I wouldn't. If, I lost. It would only be to me all right so. We don't have to worry about it. I also saw a lot of guys. Suggesting that. I have guests on obviously in current conditions that would probably be probably be. Virtual like on. On Voice, chat, or facetime or something like that, which which I'm totally down for you also suggested calling thing famine. Talking to you guys I think. Both of those are good ideas and. I be down to explore them I. Just might need a little more time to prep. That, so he'll be understand that the first part cast by myself. It's not just this crazy. High Production Solo show here. I'm just kind of. Making do with what I got. but I really wanted to. You know. Just kind of talk directly to you guys kind of how I would on a touchscreen accept. This is a little less instant. I wanted to read some of your questions, and maybe some of. What you want advice on and see if I could just kind of talk you through some of it or even just like listening to me. I don't know work it through in. My brain might help you a little bit even if I don't even know what I'm talking about. So, That's kind of what I WANNA do. So I'll just go down I found a few. Questions and stuff I'll just start. Pandora's Fox's question. Excuse you? question what have been your pros and cons of working a non traditional non nine to five career. What would you do differently if you the chance superstock for the protests so? First of all, I haven't read these. I'm just going to kind of go through and like process and respond live because I kind of feel like that's how I just wanted to them. You know it's kind of interesting because I never really saw myself. Doing nine to five. As like a permanent. kind of life solution for a career I've done nine to five. Absolutely I've spent. Most of the years in college doing. Jobs or internships, and shortly after college, doing radio production for a while, and that was nine to five. but yeah like even when I was in high school and college. Just like thinking about what I wanted to do I never envisioned it being some sort of. Kind of regular job so to speak like quote unquote. I think the pros and cons. We've definitely talked about I've definitely talked about. But. You know I think one of the pros and cons is that you're your own boss? and I say pros and cons, because it's hard to self motivated hard to stay on yourself and. set a schedule and stick to it and enforce rules and. You know meet standards and really take a critical. Look at what you're putting out into the world whatever that may be even if it's completely not at all like what I do. It's just. It's a difficult thing to learn how to be your own boss. And with that said there's something really empowering about going through that process of learning to be your own boss. You develop a lot of different. I think professional skills work skills, but you also kind of develops your personality into At least for me, it feels like a more mentally focused one and I think it. It's one of those things that just takes a lot of lot of time and a lot of repetition and a lot of trial and error like it's a little bit trial by fire I was lucky to have probably the world's greatest mentor in this whole kind of Internet. Path that I've taken, but at the same time you, you do just learned from doing it So, I would say I. would definitely feel like the pros outweigh the cons there. Obviously, there wouldn't be doing what I'm doing And I guess kind of. Relating the question to what we're all going through right now with cove is like. You know everyone's most everyone is. Is moving doing work from home now? Provided you can and have the ability to and I feel like. A lot of people are sort of going through that process now involuntarily of like how to be your own boss, and how to be productive at home when there's many distractions or the world is on fire, and you just whatever and your boss isn't there to tell you what to do like. I think a lot of people are also going through. A similar situation just it's. It's Kinda brought on by a much different climate, but Would I do something differently if I had the chance I? Don't think so. I mean I think. What has led me to hear. has been a lot of learning and I don't think that. there. are a ton of jobs out there that people I mean. Maybe there are but the way I see, it is like based on my personal experience with friends and people I know and people who have nine to five jobs and talked to in. Family and stuff like that I don't often hear people talk about like nine five jobs, and like cookie cutter jobs being something that you like look back on reflect on learning a lot from it sort of oftentimes. And hope not like being offensive here with oftentimes are means to an end right like you'd take a job to pay the bills, and you have your eye on something passed. And maybe. While you're there. You have a different idea and you go this way and your different ninety five, but like for me looking back at my time. Being, my own boss and working online and being in nontraditional work like I really do feel like I've learned a lot and I feel like it's turned me into a better worker so that. In. My future endeavors I've kind of developed. A skill set that I never thought. I would ever develop and I I. Don't think it's there's a lot of ways like. Plan out that you'RE GONNA. Try to do that it just it just sort of happens, and you either go with or do you down and I decided to go with it. That was a super long winded response and I am sorry for that. Did you ever live on your own if you did. What are some things you did to keep yourself company? Live on my own. Yes No, no I. I'm really good at this. You guys. no, technically I never lived by myself. Alone what I did was for most of my college years. I lived with roommates and As many of you, probably a lot of you guys know when you live with roommates specially in like college years or even after college or whatever? It's very possible that you just don't really see a lot of your roommate. Because of their job and their schedule being different than yours and I mean I'm sure there's a lot of situations out there where people. Are Sick as Falker roommates and they're like. Can you get out of the House my guy? But for me. I, really. I did have a lot of alone time in those years when I was living with roommates. And you know I. Don't know I mean. How do you cope with being alone? It's it's. It's hard. You know as I, think you find. I think it's important that. You have things. That can take up the fit kind of two criteria one. They can take up time right things that you can sink time into. Gaming reading. Something Physical Exercise the extra like something's physical, you know. Hobbies things that you are. There are tangible activities that you have to. It's not just watching TV right like it's. These are hobbies that you have to kind of apply yourself you're. You're at least mentally occupied while you do them. For me that was really important. lived alone. I was really into working out in my college years I was really into. I did a little bit of cycling, which was really fun. I could kind of like be independent. I didn't have a car, so I would like. I would cycle around a college town I did a little bit of Jujitsu and then I also really started to fall in love with radio production, which which was turned out to be kind of a hobby of mine, which ended up being sort of a job. But I would definitely think that like you really just got to. Do your best at finding those things that take up time. And when those kind of work in tandem with your like. Relaxation time, and you're like Netflix time and your chill me time like it's kind of. It's a sort. I sort of feel like they work together really well. because on one hand. You have your comfort zone where you're able to. Watch your shows any favorite snacks and listen to your favorite music and talk to your friends online and And then you on the other hand. You have something that you're trying to work towards getting better at. And both of them take up time, and both of them only require you most times, maybe some partners in whatever other activity you're doing or Stuff like that but I think balancing. Those two things can be really helpful with with feeling lonely. and. Also you know not to put pressure on yourself that you need to be social. I felt so much that pressure growing up. And especially in college because I was definitely the most isolated in my life in college there, I just really didn't fit in with a lot of people at my school, and I spent a Lotta time alone and I think learning and telling yourself over and over that. That's okay like that's not a bad thing. I think that's an important. A reminder an important reminder for you to not feel like you're doing the wrong thing or you need friends to be. Successful or anything like that. You know what I mean it's. It's definitely hard, but. I don't know. Being alone can be cool. Thank you ads by the way for that question. All Right SATCHY ray says I've been struggling to find motivation create art after two years of being forced to do art in college that I didn't feel anything with. It's been almost a year of me avoiding art, and it still sometimes makes me feel sick when I think about trying. Do! You have any advice on how to remove that bitterness of Tudor picking apart work and gaining my love of the hoppy back. Motivation can be Hella them sometimes. SATCHY, thank you for. Your message and I hear that man like that's. It's always. It's always like a weird situation. When when there's something that you like or that you love or that you find pleasure in in life. Ends up in a scenario. That makes you not like it anymore like that. That sucks man. that really sucks because it's pretty clear that you're a passionate artist, but you had this experience where. You were forced to do it. And it sounds like Pete. Tutors were picking apart your work and making you feel like you're wasn't good. And that sort of deterred you from the activity altogether and I that's. That's really shitty and I am sorry that happened. My I guess my advice for like getting back into it and feeling like it can be a positive outlet again. You know I think. I think it's one of those things where you have to. I think you have to really try to separate. The of the outside world from. Your your favorite thing to do right or one of your favorite things to your hobby. So. In the scenario where you were in an art class and you felt like. Doing art and getting picked apart for it, not being writer or the the good. Result that they were looking for, and you were left to feel a certain way that they didn't really address. If you sort of put a line between your heart and your activity, and then the outside world on the other side, and on the other side is social media. Friends and family Thinking about past doing that same activity really just try to focus in on. You know! Just isolating it is it is drawing painting sculpting right? Turn on some of your favorite music. Really just remind yourself over and over. This is this is mine. This is for me like you're doing it for yourself. And whatever needs to see it? And think about the process of doing it as therapy right like you have your music on. Open up a window. Get a nice breeze going and just. Try to try to let yourself go. Try to let yourself kind of just fall into it for a short amount of time. It doesn't need to beat you. Don't need a hold yourself accountable for like I got a really hit it hard every day and do this if you're trying to fall back in love with with art. Take baby steps and really just focus on the relationship between you and the art, not your art and the rest of the world. Because I feel like. Unfortunately like your scenario that you describe it so toxic to have other people. Jump in between you and your passions and make you despise each other. That's that is frustrating and I totally I totally agree motivation. Can Be Super fucking tough sometimes man I. Mean even if it's like. Even if it's something that. You know you like doing like motivation. Hard 'cause you're in ever changing person in life always has variables in the weather changes, and it's just life as five is hard so i. I hope that you can Sachiko. You can find a way to kind of fall back in love with art. Speaking of art has some really cool. Our work on their UNDIES I don't know if you've seen it. They do have their plane. Single caller undies for you okay if you're not. Into craziness and you don't want flair. You're playing colors, but they also have really really cool new prints all the time, oftentimes from really talented artists. They do really cool collapse stuff. You got to check it out. Go to me, undies right. Now Mandy Dot Com. Slash energy-lean. Excuse me and. Before you decide you WanNa, you know just jump into it and by I just look around. 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When life has been canceled, anticipation and plan travel family and friends events. Are, on endless hold. It seems like there's nothing to be motivated for. Forget twenty. Thank you for your. participation here. Man What a question! I feel like. That's something we can all relate to right now. And Some days. It is very very hard. It feels like. You know it's sort of feels to me like. With the pandemic, going on and everyone's life, coming to a weird slow crawl. It sort of feels like the first time. In my life and people around me is life. that. I'm facing something. That I one thousand percent. Never ever prepared for. Right like there. Certain things I feel like that you go through in life. Changes and transitions and different events. Good Bad that you might that you might struggle through and you you probably. Have gone through hardships and things like that, but this really feels like. An event that there has been no preparation. There has been no sort of coaching on how to go through something like this you know like. You you when you grow up. You learn you talk to your friends. Your parents give you the birds and the bees like you learn about different things that might happen in your life and how to go through them, even if those things, even if those the way you learn them or the people who teach you talk to aren't helpful. You've at least Kinda gone through something where it's like. At least we talked about at least I knew this was a possibility. This feels like it wasn't even anywhere in the manual. We it's just happening and it's so insanely intense. And serious and relentless. First of all. I want you to know that like you're not alone. So, many people right now are feeling this way. And Everyone's going through. Everyone's trying to like. Figure it out how how to deal with how to move forward how to feel normal. How to be productive. What I would say, is you know? Try to think back on. I know this sounds sad, but try to think back on memories of traveling and look at pictures in, and maybe think about in the future like not not tomorrow or next month, but like the future. Where you might WanNa go and. You know it's it's also another one of those things where you really are kind of forced to like. Think about times when you took things for granted. I don't ever. Remember thinking to myself before this this year. Man I was i. don't Know What I. You know I. Aside from like an injury or something man i. don't Know How could ever. Be So grateful for the fact that I get to train Jitsu every day or I. Man I flew to visit my friend this weekend. And it and I'm so lucky that I could do that. I mean obviously you have gratitude right, and if you can go places and do things you have gratitude, but the being able to do being physically able to do those things i. Definitely didn't find myself. during those moments really being thankful and now looking back I'm like fuck. That was dope that I could do that and I definitely can't right now. There's a lot of things that everyone's being stripped from in their life and a lot of those things. That you're losing. Have have really important roles in your life. They sort of define you. They have They're part of your personality makeup and when they're gone, it's it's a struggle. It's hard I don't know, forget I really wish I had an answer for you. I just think that like. You know really focusing on hobbies at home. You know focus on your communication with your family and friends. You know that's an important thing. A lot of people are. Like one of the Silver Linings, a lot of people I feel like our face timing, and talking to their family and friends law more right now, because everyone's at home and. There's time and Stuff like that you know and really just thinking about the times when you could do. Those things know that they will come again. You know in one way or another. They will come again. So. It's tough though I I hear Ya. Alana Rochelle. Says do you have any suggestions for how I can stop defining my self worth by my academic achievements? Boy. First of all. I think. I think I don't know what you know. What stage in your education you are! But I'm assuming either high school or College. I will I think using high school as as sort of an analogy for like. Education in general is kind of good. Like looking back on my high school experience like there were a lot of. Know I played baseball. I love playing baseball. I love the friends I made playing baseball. And I think it shaped me as a person. I was one of the huge positive things about school and looking back. I'm so glad for it because I think without baseball I would've just truly despised high school I didn't Love High School, but I think it would have really fucking sucked without baseball anyway, tangent My point is looking back on high school. I do remember. Being in my high school, aged head, and what things looked like to me and how I thought about the world, and how fucking important every little thing? That went on in my high school was to me. It was like. Everything so important. You know social things with groups and Doing well in class and getting into college and playing well on beyond my baseball team and getting recruited a play at college in. Finding a girlfriend like the things that you go through in high, school. When you're there, I. Just remember it being so goddamn intents. Everything is such a big deal. And then. Graduate. And a little time passes, and you look back. and. You're like why. Why do we care so much? It doesn't even matter like none of that mattered. Like it mattered in a sense that it was a stage of your life, and you know you're developing teenage person and you know. It's important to get educated and go through experience. Put like. In the grand scheme of life, a lot of it was just so so small, and you don't really see that until you're out of it like you get out of high school and you're like. Wow, why did I care so much? None of that really is even a big deal. And you start to think about the people that maybe gave you shit or the people that really made your life hell, or whatever, or even like the people who had you know who were the stunts and had like the great high school experiences, and they were the prom king, in queens and you're like. Wasn't even that cool like. Where did that? What like where did that? BRING THEM TO? Right is just an isolated thing that happened in the stretch of years that when you're done, everyone's done. Everyone moves on. Everyone goes into. You know different. Things. and. I think I think thinking of it like that might help you. I don't know that it will though you know I, know that like. The stakes are higher after high school. College and Grad School and getting any sort of degree that you might be chasing like things are important, so I'm I'm really not trying to minimize that I want you to understand that whatever education an academic achievements. You're referring to I'm sure are very important, and it's probably a good thing that you are leaning on the side of defining yourself by them. in the sense that you care about him. Obviously your way more than not though you are not your academic achievements. That is just a small part of you you are. Alana you have friends. You have family I don't know you might have a pet. you might have. A laptop where you play minecraft, you might have a favorite restaurant. You might have a hidden talent. You know what I mean like. There's so much that makes you up. That makes you probably a wonderful person and. Academics are just piece of that. And so thinking of it like that you know your makeup. Is just a whole mix of things right and one of the things is academia, but it's only one of those things. It's not the whole thing. It doesn't comprise you as a whole. try to remember that I guess in looking at it from that angle. Again really want to reiterate that I'm not minimizing how important education is in how stressful and and You. Know huge feels while you're in it. It's It's definitely intense and I applaud you for getting educated for sure. I hope I'm doing okay by the way I don't know. I don't know if I'm doing well I kind of I'm kind of just like going. Yeah I don't know there's there's instant feedback, so I'm just like. Oh, I don't know. Is this good or bad? That's the one thing about twitter. I feel like if I'm if I'm. If I'm off. I'M GONNA. Get yelled that right away, so it's like I know. Please let me. Less he says, advice on coping with a friend or loved one passing away especially, if it sudden and unexpected or even self inflicted. On a less heavy okay. I'll get to that in a SEC. So Losing, people losing loved ones. Is! Very very difficult. I had to go through it. Many more times than I really thought I would by the time I'm twenty eight and There's it's hard to give advice on something like this because. I. Don't even think I know how to with it. You know I just really feel. I feel blessed that I have someone who is my person in there for me and. You have a loving family that can support you in friends that can support you and be there for you. because going through loss alone. I imagine it's just just awful and just. The worst thing ever and I don't wish it upon anyone ever So I think as much as it might be hard at the beginning, you know you have to take your time to really kinda process it. But find people in your life that really care about you. Find friends that are actually there that really want you to be okay. that that you can lean on. and. Don't feel like you have to go through it alone. It's tough man. It's tough especially when it's sudden especially when it's. Especially when suicide it's, it's very tough and I've gone through that and Just. Know that with time. Life gets a little bit easier because it really does feel like the whole world is crumbling when something like that happens. And nothing really matters, and you're just so sad and you don't care about things and. You crying and it's it's a lot. You know. In time. The memories of that person in the good times. And the happiness that they once brought you. Will become. The centerpiece of Of their memory right like. When you think of them. You know you're always going to be sad that they're not there anymore. That's something that I don't think ever goes away, but over time I think. The, good memories of them in the the Happy Times that you had will will be quicker to come to your brain. When you think about them, it does get. You know I I I went through something like this and I. Think a lot of you know that and every year I visit. I visit them. At the cemetery and you know the first year we did. It was really hard. Really really hard and then the second year. You know it's. He just gets easier. And you start to think about the good times, and you start to laugh in an remember funny things in. You know it's just part of life. I don't know it's it's hard I feel like I'm kind of talking in circles here but I hope there was something that I said that could have provided any sort of help to you. I'm sorry for your loss and. I hope that. Start to feel better. let me see. What else do we have here? I think we do one more. Yahya. I, really wish. I had Django that would be. That would. Be Pretty incredible. It will be loud though you wouldn't want that. You would hate it. Honey. I want to. I want to pick one more, and I wanNA I. Wanna I Kinda WanNa. Find. Something like that I haven't touched I. Don't want to repeat myself a bunch. Someone roasted me in here. You re like you guys are talking about how I was going to do solo on the podcast, and someone said Enigma said. He worked at a radio station. Before? He did Youtube he'll knock it out of the park. No way he's a catcher. Implying that catchers can't hit. Cooking getting bodied in here dude. Who the hell. I'll just read. Some more of these Zor says Julian. Reads sponsors than sits and stares deeply into the camera for thirty minutes. Suddenly, the camera begins to zoom in on his face. He remains still areas. Energy builds in intensity, boiling behind his eyes, and he lets out an APP and the show ends. Should have done that. That would have been good. Get food delivered and pretend I'm Guy Fieri. There's a lot of good ideas in here. I al I'll also check out. Maybe the comments section here. On on this podcast, but I encourage you. If you you know if you want during our discord, and you can partake in In responding with Ideas or suggestions. Even, just hang out with other people and chat. 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Outlining

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Outlining

"Writing doesn't have to be hard but it is. What are you GonNa do start with this? A podcast with the creators of welcome to Night Vale. Joseph Inc and me. Jeffrey Craner discuss us a topic about writing. Then give you two assignments something to consume and something to create. Start with this outlining. Uh Part is starting is if you WANNA start somewhere with this you can start this I need an outline to work from. I need to know what's going to happen in the end in how I'm going to get there yet. I'm surprised how many people do not work from hotlinks. Not here to tell you you have to have an outline but I am here to tell you if you don't have an outline you might need to strengthen your editing chops outlying helps you find the structure the beats the characters have helped you suss out plot lot holds before you write yourself thousands of words into a logical trap sometimes the outline is the hardest part. It's a puzzle but for plot and without all the details hillsdale dialogue and seeing descriptions character-building hard to have faith in your grand design. The two things I like to start with our central character and a central conflict. Sometimes I know before I start how that conflict will resolve. Sometimes I do not but the important thing is that I get it fully mapped out of four even begin so let's begin. I'm Jeffrey Craner here with Joseph Inc.. Let's outline hi there. Hello this is a topic. I'm very very excited about because I am like I'm a big Fan of outlining. It's so much of how work there's so many times I don't actually outline things but I will start in on something thing before I ever but then I eventually get to the outline. Sometimes I just need to write a few things before I get there do you that way or do you start immediately with an online. It really depends on the work. Offend all start playing around with something. I might write like a few pages especially if it's an entirely new project like Alice's data is an example. where I I wrote like the first two episodes I think without any real sense of what it was that I'm like it's about driving around the country and I think I know who this character is but pretty early early on? I need to know what's happening and I need to have that shape. Yeah to start going in and we've talked before about in the first welcome tonight Ville novel. We didn't have an outline we wrote about six. Six chapters are so into it before we started with an outline but that was mostly because we didn't know quite what the shape of that was going to be an. It'd be we thought we have these two characters. We had a very loose premise. And we thought well let's build these two characters through the first few chapters in just alternate back and forth. They don't have to connect yet and then later we can figure that out. This seems like a really obvious question. I think the whole episode will be here to answer it so I don't know if there's a succinct answer but why do you need an outline. It's a AH there's a number of different reasons. One is for the the reader or listener which is for me. It provides a shape to the story oriented. Make sure you're going to land it. If you care about landing the story in a way that feels satisfying and I do. I believe in having a strong ending to a story. The only only way to do that is the planet out. You're never gonNA organically follow upon an ending that feels completely satisfying. I don't think and the other reason is for view which is at least for me. I find it so much easier to work from an outline. I will outline within an outline where I'll be like in the in this chapter. This happened and but for me. I'm just gonNA write out that in this part of this chapter. They do this and then this next part of the shepherd I do this because it just helps me like this. I I know what this first page is is about. It's about this one specific thing The more granular and specific my outline the easier. It is for me at least to write it going to your first thing about writing it towards the ending of yeah. It's organizing those thoughts of helping you find that roadmap to the ending There's the underpants gnomes or whatever you know step one step two you question mark step three money and the the outline helps you get to that place and make sure that it seems to work logically along the way Yeah I can't tell you how how many times I've tried to even just write a short episode like a two thousand twenty five hundred Word Knight Phil episode thing. I already know this. I don't need to outline. Listen I start writing get towards towards the end and I'm like I don't think this ending is going to work and then I have to come stop reset and rewrite and I think I would have saved a whole lot of time if I just bullet pointed this set minimum minimum to start with to see where the logical steps were to happen outline surf way fewer words than the actual writing itself. So it's easier to work through that. In terms terms of total time spent it helps you see the shape of the story in a way that can be released from at least in. This is just how your brain works for me. I think about stories. It's very structurally even before character for me comes. Just what is the shape of the story. What is the structure and outline really helps me figure that out before I do anything else you said something else in that to which is a helps the reader or the listener in the case of podcast theater people but Yeah I? I hadn't even thought about that going into this episode but it's a huge point which is to say that we can tell the reader what's happening you know 'cause you're you're you're informing us but we're also analyzing how you as the writer are are building out the story so we can We can see the the outline ourselves are here the outline ourselves and it's important that that outline is clear for the listener or the reader to. Yeah I mean we have a culture that really emphasizes surprise this right like this whole idea of don't spoil stories like the. The best thing is to have this twist. That wasn't spoiled but the truth is that generally people enjoy art more when they know where they are in it and that doesn't mean that they know what's going to happen. They could still be completely surprised by the big twist. But it it really I think in a subconscious conscious way feels a lot better if you know generally okay. I'm kind of in the Middle Right now and okay. I'm coming towards the end. And I think where you encounter this the most where you really feel it as a person consuming art is. We've all had the experience been like a movie or play seems to be ending. We seem to be in the final scene and then it just keeps going and that is one of the worst feelings and it's because you got the and this is entirely the person writing the things fault that's on them is they misled you you to make you feel like you were at a different place in the work than you were. And so that that's on them like by having this outline on the structure you're creating this experience chance that they kind of even if they don't know the details even if they're completely surprised by every twist they at least know where they are in the story and that helps Orient them. I think that's I think that's a huge point to is just. Sometimes you just have to consider where your audience thinks. They are in time and we're all on a schedule as much as there are so many plays I've been to that. I Really League love but then I I feel like this is really long and I'm ready to be done with it because I felt like this wrapped up nicely but it still kinda going. I think about twenty years ago. Whenever it was out I saw the play play gross indecency three the three trials of Oscar Wilde by remember they complete the first trial? Might there's one trial. I know where we are in the PLANO. This this great exactly where we're going and there's some comfort in that Regardless of the topic of whatever reading but giving your audience a sense of of time of where they're at the place especially when it's not a novel and I can't see how many pages are left. I wrote down accountability which I think relates to the other point you were making when we started which is is the idea of helps you know what it is. You're supposed to be doing when you start actually writing it helps you fill that out. You can sort of see if you're saying I've got a fifty chapter book and each chapter is two thousand words. That's one hundred thousand word novel So at two thousand words you you can sort of in writing your outline. You can figure out. Does this item that I put down on this chapter five or whatever does can I feel about two thousand words and how will that look and you can map it out in your head rather than writing out two thousand words to see if they even work for me the reason I do such granular outlines where I outlined almost every moment that I write thing it's interesting people who are there are writers who are against outlines. I think they're wrong but they are. People who are like you could choose should never outline constricts tricks and the argument that usually make is is the sense of like it kind of shoves everything into this one set path whereas you wanna you want room for kind of freedom the organic discovery in writing. But at least for me I actually find way more organic discovery and freedom when I am tightly tightly outlined because has if I'm writing without an outline I'm constantly having to think does this make sense. Where are we in the story? What's happening next and you get lost in this like what is happening next? Can you start the and you kind of lose track of what you're writing whereas for me if I'm like okay. The following three things need to happen and it should be about six hundred words that that I have infinite freedom because I can write all sorts of strange things and take all sorts of tangents and I know in the back of my head as long as I hit those three bullet points somewhere in there than it's working working for the larger story and so to me I find so much more freedom in writing when I'm working within that outline. I think this is one of the bigger topics for me when I think this is the hardest part for me in writing an outline which is finding the pacing you know we had a we had a case in? I think it was the first night Ville novel wherein we just cut a whole chapter because has nothing really happened in it. It was the thing where we had an item on our outline where something happened but then once I wrote the chapter it was shorter than most of the other chapters. It was only like eleven hundred words long or something but he really was just people kind of standing around talking prepping for something else happening and there was only one like just minor moment of somebody learning something new for the first time and you realize like that's completely unnecessary. We can just merge it into this other thing and and that's just kind of what he just kind of got chopped down and then merged into the following chapter. That's always a struggle for me and it's the thing I concentrate on the most. which is what is the pacing of the chapter? You might or of the section that you've outlined outlined. You might get to item nine on your scene cards for your screenplay or stage play or chapter nine of your book and you might say you know. brother-in-law dyes the the item that has to happen in this chapter. But how long does that seem. How long do you know? How long should you be writing about the brother-in-law dying hangar building to the brother-in-law dying? Like how do you know how much too right there is that just a single moment or do you want to draw that out poetically. Yes for me so it starts parts by knowing how long the whole is you know whether it's like a chapter and you're like okay. This chapter is going to be about two thousand words. So that's that's the pool of word count. I'm pulling from for these little moments. I think there's two things that affect length one is complexity. If you have something that's just complicated it's GonNa take a while you have like a car-chase that just as involves driving all over town and you're just going to want to set aside a lot of work like a good chunk of the chapter needs to be that just because there's a lot of story to tell and you're I don't WanNa make sure you have all those details and that's just going to take a while but yeah your other example. Is your character. Someone they loved dies or turns out to be evil or some some thing and you might be like okay. There's actually only one story beat here but I'm going to give a theory big chunk of the chapter to this because I want to emotional. Emphasis is a big one for me. The moments that feel like they have a lot of emotional emphasis. I WanNa make sure they have the space to have that. I want to make sure I have the space forever and involved to react to. I feel things to talk to each other about it and so yeah. That's kind of the two different things to look at is one you might. You might give more space to something because it just needs needs that space to get all the details out but the other big one is. This is a big emotional moment and I just WanNa make sure that it's long enough for me for everyone to feel that. Yeah well so use your your car chase example and the brother-in-law dying example. which is you could be like? All is your brother in law dying in a car chase because he bank robber and for the. That's a really exciting chapter after you have ahead of you or is it a case where he's struggled with cancer for many years and you just this is the thing with the whole family has been expecting. Then that's a different type of emotional archy want to build to that is unexpected is is it expected you can kind of know how to write out those emotional beats from there. Yeah and then example of the car chase and it's like for in my head I would. I would give half the chapter to the car chase and half the chapter to him dying because one is complex enough to need half the chapter and the other is emotionally big enough to carry the the rest of it. Yeah I would wait until an ultimate word and said he dies by the way and then the final word would just be good brother-in-law. He's great. I hope he doesn't get into a car. Chase our Oh man in outline outlining especially especially for a bigger work. This doesn't apply to outlining an episode of your ongoing serial podcast or whatever if your brand starting brand new characters brand new premise brand new story. It helps you build your rules. And the that's the Jenga Tower of of everything because you're sort of allowed a little bit of laps since some continuity from here here and there but there are certain issues of continuity that if you pull the wrong block out the whole thing comes tumbling down you can pull a few out but you can. There are a couple bowl that are load bearing walls that can't and so that that outline helps you find those in. It's way better to find those right at the start before you actually start writing those us. The bigger story yeah counter-intuitively I think when you plan a character story out it ends up feeling more human or organic than if you try to improvise because if you try to improvise it you might hit a point where you need a character to do something but it just doesn't really fit what you've established for that character whereas if you planned out and you're like. I know this character is going to need to do this. Eventually you can kind of start working towards that early on you. Have that in in your head I think about like I'm not gonNA name a specific spoiler details but I know that people that watch game of thrones. There was one character who turned suddenly evil towards the end and people were very upset not because it necessarily felt impossible for that character but it just felt like they hadn't it had not been set up in the show at all. Yeah and that's me. Feels like a thing of like the writers. Hit a point where they're like. Oh we need this to happen but they just hadn't planned out and set that up whereas with if you outlined that out you can be like okay. This character is eventually. We're GONNA need to this evil things we just need to slowly no that and start building that into outline that they they need to get to that place. Yeah from a practical standpoint when you you are actually writing your outline for whatever it is. How detailed are you on each of those items like visit about a sentence or two is it? A paragraph is a long paragraph per item for me I know especially for like thinking about Knightdale episodes I will do. They're usually like eight items long or something but they the first one is usually like see so breaks the news. There's a bank robbery and the last one almost is the whole ending written out because by the time I've gotten through the outline and I'm like oh I'm feeling this. I know how this is happening. I sometimes especially knightdale episodes. Usually I ended up writing. Post weather segment I Because because by the time I get through Mile Line I'm like oh I know how this all ends now. Yeah we'll do we'll probably do who episode about endings and my my belief that you should probably right you're ending I or towards towards the beginning Because it's just a way useful way to do that. I try to. I mean one of the worst feelings for me is floundering where you're like. I need a thousand words but I just don't like three hundred and I feel like I've hit. That probably is the point where you need to adjust your outline but I try to. I try to make sure I have enough points in enough detail. I feel like I can easily fill out. If I'm writing three hundred words. I try to just make sure like okay. I've given myself enough story for this chunk that it at no point in those three words be floundering trying to fill up space. Like I'm GonNa does feels like enough for me to do and then I also I do try to like leave out enough off that I can discover stuff and improvise bit within it. I might be like. I'm writing a knife appropriate now where I often you know outlined the main story and then I site bits in knight fail and those often just do like a one line idea So like one that I put down as like there's a raffle at sea so listing raffle prizes. And that's all put because I know that it's just GonNa be like weird or funnier scary raffle prizes. And so I'm just figure that out when I read and I wanna WanNa give myself the room to just improvise those are Whereas the story elements then? It's a lot more like this person. Does this and discovers that. I WANNA have a lot more detail in there. You WanNa fill those things out. So that's in writing the thing I want to get into. When you finish outline like do you do any stress tests on it like do you go through? Like what process do you go through to look back over your outlined in editing. It's a little bit easier because the sentences all string together and you can. Can you feel the narrative. You feel the pacing you you know where the language lags doesn't lag and you know where everything happens but like Are Are there ways in which you look at an outline outlined to edit your outline. You don't WanNA obviously edit for grammar or copy editing things but have you know that it holds up. Yeah I mean what one thing I often don't do too much editing within that alliance I'll do a lot of like Jenga in it while I'm writing and where I'm just like okay. I want this this whole thing about this. Many words. kind of play with the word counseling and basically what I'm doing is implying again with percentages of the whole for Egypt these like. How big is this moment within the whole do that a bit but the thing I find is all often make adjustments to that once I start writing thing precisely because I don't Wanna Wanna ever flounder or feel like I never wanNA feel like I'm like high school students trying to make sure I hit two thousand words for paper like you never? That's not fair to you. You and that's not fair to the person consuming your art. You're you're wasting your time. You're wasting their time like you WANNA make sure you're not patting so if I've set aside five hundred words for something what I regularly do as I write. How many words I think it'll be and then I'll finish it and then all right how many words it is and oftentimes generally overshoot? The word count. But sometimes it's like you've set aside five hundred words and you write it and you're like that one hundred sixty words and I feel like there's nothing else there and that's when you go back and be like okay overestimated. How big this moment was going to be? So now I need re refigure out. Now that I've actually written that bit and seeing what had actually is just adjust the rest of the outline to figure to fit what that moment turned out to be so in that way the the the outline itself becomes slightly I it's got some give to it. It's got some got some shape we're not changing the material it's made made out of the bridge needs to be able to sway in the wind. It's gotTa have some give here in. There can't be so rigid that the slightest earthquake. The slightest windstorm breaks it down. But you're not going in and changing the material. You're not changing it from concrete to would. You're not undoing the whole thing. You just know that you've got to have some gift. If you're five hundred words becomes one hundred sixty exte- you may need to add words elsewhere. You probably at least I've done the same thing too. Were writing the whatever. Fourteen thousand words section action in the the faceless woman novel in part five I remember writing the first draft that and I had I broke it down into like twenty three like some things is that were happening and I remember one of them. I think there's twelve hundred words there that got through two hundred. I really just think this is plenty to talk about here. I thought that could be really poetic and really have this whole moment. I'm like I don't think I need to do that. And then later without even adjusting it I just later thing that I thought would be six or seven hundred. Words turned out to be like twenty four hundred reports about this bigger adventure needed more space and so some of that is the give and take the outline is not is the map. It's not the thing right right like I mean like none of us do this anymore. But you look at a map and you kind of figure out where you're going to go but when you actually get out there it turns out that like a a tree fell across this path and so you're going to have to like just figure out a new way around and so it's not like the map is wrong but you just have to kind of adjust based on what actually happens once you start using them APP. Yeah I'll add one more thing which is just in the stress test we talk about with with the I agree with you. I think it has to be breathable. I think it has to have some room. And you can't beat super-rigid in terms of word count because you have to keep an eye on pacing and that really has to happen happen more in the writing of it more than the outline but the outline is there to give you your story. The important thing. The outline can't be flexible can't be breathable in terms of the story. Align unless you find a major structural flaw as you're writing it but the major thing there is to to hold to the story that you've written for yourself that you're not changing what a character actor has doing or what a plot point has happened. I think you can but you then have to change the outline right like if you're writing it and you discover and you're like I just feel like this character that I wanted to be. The villain is kind of sympathetic. That's fine but I think rather than trying to improvise the rest of it. Sit Down with outline. It'd be like okay so if this character is sympathetic what does this mean. And what do I need to adjust here to make that work on. That becomes the structural flaw in the outline. Maybe not flaws the wrong word because maybe you made a better change to it. But it doesn't mean you have to go back to the blueprint and redesign it. Absolutely one hundred percent. I also just pay attention. I'm finishing an outline the stress tests. I think about is just I look at every character's decision I just look at. Does this all makes sense. Is there a reason therefore is at any moment in time if somebody to look at what a character doesn't doesn't like that makes no sense based on what you've done and I feel like that's what the outline helps you with the writing itself just fills it and it makes it beautiful readable great. Let's take a break and let's come back with your assignments all right. Welcome back. So these are your assignments for this episode of first. Your consume wants you to go. Listen to a podcast series called the shadows it is a six episode fiction podcast produced by the CBC and created by Caitlyn when pressed Who is from the podcast heart? This is a terrifically written and terrifically mixed romantic drama. The sound work is top notch. It's only six episodes the whole story so it will be not a super long. Listen and I think it's really beautiful and worth your time but what we want you to listen for in this podcast cast. How pressed broke her whole story into these six episodes? Just think about six episodes and what happens from the beginning to the end of the episode and then within in each episode. Where are the chapter? Beats or the scene or act beats per episode of the dramatic scenes. How did she break it? Down per each thing at the end of each episode. Recap for yourself. Either in your head or on a notepad probably write it down recap what happened in that episode and try to visualize a structured outline each scene within each episode. How did she build out? This compelling relationship drama which on the surface would seem fairly simple in terms of structure but she manages to create all the jobs inflows of drama throughout so think about what the six episode outline structure is in sub outlined for each of those episodes and for your create create assignment. 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CS 293: Do White People See Gay Black Men As Less Black and More White? Pt. 1

Champagne Sharks

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CS 293: Do White People See Gay Black Men As Less Black and More White? Pt. 1

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It begins to say who you are where to find you what you do and all that good stuff. Sure Yeah so thank you for having me on my name is Christopher Pasco Chris! I am currently A. Postdoctoral researcher at Duke University. And I am trained as a social psychologist, and in my research at centers on. How does that me stereotype people as a function of the multiple different kinds of groups that they belong here and we also have justice. If you contribute, reduce yourself. Thank you for having meals is just incredibly. I am a fourth year Grad student in psychology at University of Kansas. My. Research Centers Joan taking its action approach to understanding of perception and impression formation reform impressions that people. How the to be creates about them hope is that dry different times of behavior in Hogan's rocks in the world are great so to give context about how The TV ended up being here together. On I came across Christopher on twitter, and he was mentioning his paper at final paper very interesting, and it reminded me of another paper than ad read by someone named Derek, producer about how? David dealer sorry baby. Sorry Yeah. Yeah David Padilla about How being black and gay can affect hiring practices in unexpected ways? It reminded me of that paper so I. I read his paper I. Find It really interesting. Then I read some more of his papers so I reached out to, but we weren't able to make it happen. Right been there and I. Put it on the back burner for Awhile and in the meantime I think you've. You've made some. You've some more papers. Even so now I read those and then I came back to you and you'd mentioned to me Justin and said Oh there's Justin pretty who does very interesting work to you might WanNa have him on because I can't come on right now. I read suggestions work and has oh. This is interesting. What if I had both of you on together? Because such interesting overlap I. I would rather wait, so both of you were available and I have to say I do a lot of reading for this podcast. I try to read everything that people do before they come on in full and I have to say this was one of the most challenging prep things I've ever had to do. Because not only. Is it the content of your guys paper? But both of you guys papers draw. Draw on a long tradition discourse part of ongoing conversation, so I ended up having to read a lot of stuff about social dominance theory, the double jeopardy, the intersectional invisibility, and a much about this stuff at the head kind of synthesize all that, too. I feel fully contextualized and appreciate your guys papers, so they weren't thickest reads. I've ever had to prepare for show show, but they were very very dense with. Information I? Mean Boto very clearly the reasoning and and their feces. But what I was wondering was What brought you to this line of? Questioning or or this? These topics because They're both very similar. I noticed for example that Jessica Yu cited Christopher in your most recent manuscript and I noticed Christopher you recommended Justin to me and I was wondering if you guys had shared source of inspiration as far as coming to this topic, or if it's just the general gist of where this this conversation going in academia in general. Well, there's A. A couple of things and one thing is that for the first several decades that psychologists who studied the kinds of things that justice steady things like stereotyping and impression, formation and discrimination for very long time for many decades, psychologists tended to study these things in a very like one size fits all kind of way, so for example they would like. They would run an experiment and they would show people. Like. You know an applicant for job. Who is either? You know stereotypically white. Sounding game were stereotypically black sounding name, and it would make it to experiment Nice and control they would make the applicant was always the same gender group. It was not always man, and it would make it, so that was always heterosexual. New is basically control as many factors as they possibly could, and the end of the day would make some sweeping general conclusion about racial bias. It would conclude for example that. That that you don't want. Individuals tend to be hired much much more frequently. Black individuals even given the same qualifications and an issue with his literature for the first several decades, people study these questions is that they tended to overlook at the diversity that there can be within groups of people, and they overlook the possibility that you know racial bias that manifests toward young sister men might not be the same kind of racial bias that manifests toward toward black women toward. Younger older, black matter, nor the great diversity within people, and so essentially one of the one of the main drivers behind the reason why I studied these questions is to is to try and add diversity to deliver transferring type thing to make it more reflective of the various Positions of different session identities that we all have. I came to work I think like many scholars of color through the next -perience because identify with bicycle umbrella. Tune Quinn but Quinn. That unsuitable positive. My interest in this work has always been about Hall People Negotiate Mice X-l-e-a-r into Asia together simultaneously in his kind of synergistic, interestingly is unthinking about home. The reacting holiday know how to react to me. They're trying to integrate Honestly, because of that I've always been particularly interested in salt of one of this. Section, which is which. Is mutually constitute each other, so the idea that you can't really speak about gender accents. Greece because will be understand bombed up in helping understand gender. Thinking about the complexity of that kind of me to this. In such low. As a useful way of understanding teasing how this actually functions like. Something that found kind of interesting when I was going through your papers, and also going through the body of a similar way of going through the through line of all the different theories that are happening. You know and tell me if I understand correctly double jeopardy, theory is the same as the additive theory where you can just kind of add the identities together and figure out How somebody is or am I being glidden conflicting two things? No, there I mean. They are similar. Double Jeopardy is additive theory united students that. If a person is marginalized by their gender as well as a racial group that they're sort of doubling marginalized, compared to somebody who maybe is marginalized on one of those things. Okay, and is the can you can either one of you. Both of you feel free to weigh in on this the multiplicative theory versus the double jeopardy theory I mean I. I can jump in on this. I understand that because I looked to your. Review of To the offered us and I think sometimes we tend to free in these as more antagonistic than they actually. In reality I think most progressive along so that the through nine of. The evolving theory, but I don the multiple varies. That is similar to the other two perspective except that the perspective Arabi just considered different identities are completely, but we assago independent raptors sticks. It doesn't have the articulate how the multiple identities bobby. Race Gender Sexuality hold the themselves I involved with each other all day. Make you show up. Very was sort of the first three for psychology from comparisons, stunt points into ready, considering noxious. HOW DIFFERENT IDENTITIES! Relief Shadow sponsor the uranium one on top of the other, but ready talking about while every on the cabinet Greece agenda when us just considering, reese added to Gen doc, particular discriminatory business, while also considering how recent gender actually religious we, what does race tell us about General Agenda About Reese on Daca? It's complex to show up in of psychological outcomes. We interested in assessing so I think from you. Dot was influenced general kind of step beyond the simply additive model. Ready does constantly at Jesus completely separate. Yeah, and one thing that I. It was one paper I read? Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the paper, but there was one paper. I read where the person was saying that the problem with they have the added the theory. Is this idea that gender can exist? You can decontextualize from Ray so when you had this idea. black plus woman. It's like which woman because a white women's level of privilege and experience is different than. A black woman like this. This is what kind of decontextualize like fin call the woman that has a shared. Experience across all racial and class class lines, and I think it was a paper that was. Trying to make the case for the month of the multiplicative theory, I found it to be a pretty good paper. I wish I remember the name of it, but then there's also and also I think what you say very true and I think i. put in the in the question. I sent you the word versus which I think made it look more antagonistic, but I think you're right a lot to these things actually have a lot of overlap with each other rather than straight up conflict or oppositional to each other. Other I'm glad you said that at this another set of paper and this is the one that act on the hardest to fully understand was Anthony is important to find it because your your guys work builds on it a lot, which is intersectional invisibility, which I'm not of as also non prototypical the theory, and if you guys could suggest, and you answered the last one I'll pass a software, Christopher, this time and feel free. If you adding anything to supplement records to process but yeah, you could explain this one shirt. I can try. Yeah, so so intersectional invisibility theory is a theory by. A researcher named Valerie Pretty Von's and her Her Collaborator Richard Ibaka in basically when would they said is that? Is basically basically when a person is marginalized along more than a single dimension of their identity if they are in this country for example. white people are privileged men relative to women privledged. An straight people relative to gay people or people generally tend to be privileged and so what they were saying that. If you're the kind of person who's marginalized more than my way, say you're both lack into women. They said the basically. You're almost like rendered invisible in the minds of people who are thinking about blackness, itself or woman itself and the reason that they said that this happens is that when people think about a single market identity just one. They tend to assume other things about Venditti by default so if they think about. Black people generally speaking in this country by default. They don't think all black people they tend to go. Black men who are heterosexual of as their prototype blackness, and so the idea of intersectional visibility is if you, if you deviate from that by being not just black, but also a woman suddenly you're no longer align with people's idea of what it means to be a black individual, and because people's idea of what it means to be. A woman is is to be a white straight woman by commoner, also non aligned with either and so in a way because they're doubly marginalized, they're they're no longer fitting. The bill for what people call the mind of a typical black person, orange and in this way kind of invisible is people signs before we move on ranting, you want to add to that Justin. Christopher game an excellent summary. I think what I would. Because I think that's density, difficulties often do a good job of connecting the weekend. Psychology to other kinds of veterans years right so there is a tradition in English scholarship prince in the troop, and I liked that as a general Dan stocks says because it passes sitting in between to lose and I think. A useful power to discuss intersection invisibly, too, because of point to though what it really is that your existence in categories are not representative of group that belong to suit being a black woman. You are not considered to be the prototype for blackness, because that's obnoxious. GENO street meal. You're also not prolific of the category woman won't. Assumes a white CISGENDER street woman, and so in some ways you've been you. Categorize more broadly hierarchically as be with the groups of blackness and womanhood or woman is. Celebrity wants to frame that that review because you are number, the typical people don't consider you you I visible in that regard, and so we. I described this to my students is it's very much like the one before the? Algebra when you're living in another schools, the what is always big and we know it's there, but it's invisible. Lsu Rights. No one option considered that it exists. It has been visited Gino Shun wear because they're not gonNA typical idol, these groups listens. Of what the Mika of the group is does not actually include here and not exclusion has significant psychological invitations into of the guys of things that we see so for instance mind by it ought to be One of the Informs Exhibition Social Cognition in American. Psychology has some very interesting with. Students amount the school where what they're really interested in how they demonstrate intersection visibility is to his very interesting power of having contributions of women and men or black and white in mutate identity tests, people's memory for who gave the particular contribution and what they find is. misremembered contributions of black women relative to black man, white men and white women, so in some way, because we not associate on the arguments, of course is that because we don't associate black women with police in the blackness or woman, who even their contributions themselves become visible, we do recollect the architects of the ideas themselves so I think that dot is kind of women have to think about these things interacting with each other something that I had kind of trouble with with reading. All the stuff was that I didn't realize how much bad pop intersection alley is out there with people in the media or people who are supposed. Supposed to be academics, but the Catholic media academics and the go around and their main field allow times is not even academics. Their main field is not actually psychology, or the original feels that these papers are from, but they might be somebody who's in history, but constantly intellectual feminist, and they worked the media, or it might be like African American Studies, but they into intersectional. So what happens is even though they're really good in their field of studies I think there's a tendency of people think especially. If you're black or or a woman, be think Oh, this person must be an expert on intersection now because an academic. Academic and there are black, and there are woman, but they actually their field is actually a history or economics or something. That's not actually this and I saw the problem with that when I started reading a lot of this stuff was add to unlearn a lot of the bad simplistic, but dysfunctionality that was being pushed media experts because it wasn't actually like the two things that I I kinda found that we're very kind of glib workings of the series is one most people tend to keep using the additive, so they'll say things like it just happens a lot on twitter and in the media like w someone who? Who says. Oh, black women experienced. No women experienced sexism but not white women sexism, but not racism. Black men experienced racism, but not sexism back women experience, both therefore there w press everything everything defaulted to that additive model, but then I will tell people that's not really true, because there's a lot of gender-based discriminations that black men get that black women don't get as much whether it's being pulled over by the cops going to jail. suicides victim homicides like it's not really fair to say that black men don't experience or like Jim Crow and the specifically lynchings mentioning happened Bassey disproportionately to black men the The foster rape charges exonerations and it was very hard to get that passed people. That's up night. Thought was in the literature, and then I didn't realize that I. Read Your papers than reading the papers. You guys cited that that's actually like. If anyone does believe the added the theory, it's not a big portion of the literature. Most people have actually understand why I was Try and explain to these people I was I was realizing I was giving a lot of the intersection now. The bad rap based on people pushing the dumbed down. Version of it. The second misconstruing that kept seeing I was kind of disabused of by reading your guys work is the sexual in visibilities always kind of treated as double double whammy. black women are missing out by not being associated with women who people think of women. There was losing out to white women, but also the losing out to back. Men By not being saved the face of back news. Like social dominance, theory and subordinate male target hypothesis posit oppression as an racism as a male versus male enterprise, and also some of the other intersection of the stuff admits that there's some ways that black women actually benefit at the your work kind of talks about this, too, that sometimes this. Actually guys about next sometimes, not being the prototypical idea of blackness are being not being the being sexually in invisible can sometimes be a bonus like like not being considered the paradigm of blackness can sometimes help. A black women are help a person. Is that something that's fair to say comes across in your papers. Well, I mentioned a lie, then, I've. Had those kind of. Totally totally I wanted to just mention a few things. The first thing but I was thinking about was Was that in your defense? People use different fields of social scientific study. N Even. You know when you compare social scientists people in humanities, different people from different disciplines us, these US determine terminator sexuality in very different ways so so sometimes it might not actually be that like one people understanding the ideas fully, it might just literally be that different sets of people have fundamentally different ways of construing the meaning of of of intersection Just like thought the material actual question, which was like. Can it ever be advantages to be doubly marginalized I think that was basically the question is that. Is that right? Yeah to to be considered if not to be doubly marginalized than at least to be invisible, invisible is under the black category well. Yeah, so so it's. It's really interesting that you ask that I mean so in any original intersectional invisibility paper. The authors did say that they really believe that. To Be Intersectional. Invisible Ken at least in principle come with both advantages and disadvantages. But I think I. Think like a like sort of a deep assumption among people who study in her sexual stereotyping intersectional sexual prejudice. Is that truly the stuff is not one size fits all it really is knowing just because like black relative to black man in a particular context might not face the same level or type of discrimination is to say that like one of them has better in some fundamental sense of the other. You know it's like I think could surely just as their context in which invisible relative to other Certainly there are other context in which it can disadvantage you injustice earlier with the with his advisors. Demonstration that that quite literally implicate people sometimes low completely missed. Remember what black women look like. They say I mean that certainly. Something that I guess you could say contagious in particular context, but they're certainly it's also something that can be really deeply managing some of my thoughts about it, I just and. I mean I agree. I, think that I hesitates as a scholar to suggest Lakers of overseeing. The potential advantages benefits of being an intersection invisible in Assam. How is somehow operables discrimination? You faced by being nights promotes. Ostler is groups of dress on. Arguments to me when I think is more true however is thinking through so as even extend Christopher's example right because this is one of the arguments that you sometimes here, persons music about intersection Morgan particularly depletes of black women and more broadly related black operation movements right so one of the things that happened so stars in Is Not Menopause suspended in psychology on views will in the tomb in introduction oddity. I'm completely ignored particularly strongest year black them. It's thought that gave birth to intersection actual favorite, and so you help people in hooking this to on who who do not site. Grand, show all who is herself a black on his one of the Ameri. Understand in theoretical framework and as a political practice as well to go up on the sounding Paul relations in the world, and so I think to the extent that people are not considered to be prototypical of their groups. This also miss out on a particular bandages that aren't the being. The center was so that's conversations on social media right optically concerned with it, which black woman, even though the a lot of central wick of movement building. Of Racial Justice Organizations Dan particularly is usually gender under particular intersectional agendas shows up for black women sometimes ignored in brought up. Political discussions considered to be distracting so that when people talk about the fact that we can't have these conversations both the reason which SIS Jenga Blackman perpetuate violence within these activists communities that is a representation of what section the presidency looks like because you are not prototypical this because we can make a systemic augmented systematic augment the committee's degrees of particular kinds of state sanctioned violence because of. What the inverse then becomes that we do have the time to discuss equally important conversations, because black women on want themselves for the typical Iro and so I think I push back very strongly against the notion that we have to look at it, the super back altemus relief, because even if we are talking about advantages, nightclub using air quotes that you can't see because I'm Ghabra, but because let me say advantages what we are talking about a different degrees of freedom in on free society, and so I'm not interested in inaugurating adopted tax perspective I think it's just diminishing on his actually anti-tactical up. have been section out to the Begin, so it's interesting to. Consider distract you from paying attention to that. The overall disadvantage itself when Israel focusing instead on like who has it worse like your serve potentially completely overlooking like the problem itself. Until your point, truck arousal, sorry. Point out in the evening Christopher. Boundary differences of document who is did or of the intersection are essentially invisible people. She's about as quite a lot of time in actually talking about the dangers of playing oppression index, and why of dangerous and slippery Rita even on the stand. Defendants these interacts releases discriminatory practices, and so I, think it's funny, also to dot went to speak about sexual invisibility and critique it that often documents direct woods about how? Often forgotten in the broader critique of wedding sexually might be erupting a stoop. Days. Phenomenon, but she's investigators. Had Ironic and sad. Like yet. But I kind of noticed that a lot like people have come to these things with their own kind of motivated reasoning and interpret things. In certain ways, so yeah like like I said I was very surprised when I read the actual work. How nuance a lot of this stuff was compared to what people boiled it. Down to I don't know if it's a good faith mistake that they're making online where they're trying to create his absolute hierarchy of A. Picks, or if it's the liberate misrepresentation, but I really surprised so for example, the example I was given the most often was kimberly crenshaw, giving a speech where she gives an example of these black women at a plant, and the plant had some kind of diversity initiatives that were meant to get more black people in the plant, but the plant much of. Of Black men and use that to satisfy that initiative, and then there was a feminist initiative to get more women. There has to be just hired. White Women in the black women were unprotected. You know and there are people online kind of using that as a way to say hey, this is in sectional invisibility. This is why black women are universally like. As an objective value like on the bottom, and I was like that's very true in that context they suffer, but there could be other situations. Where do okay and people like each mean more intersection out? You're not getting it, but then when I read more Kimberly Crenshaw. Her actual work was more nuanced than that where she said. It's not that. Simple so now it's Kinda wondering like okay, so she herself saying they're gonNA. What you guys are saying that in some context this happens in context happens, and she also said it's not just additive like she explicitly said is not just added their identities. You can't just added entities together. She explicitly spoke against that very similar to how you guys said that Valerie is it proven. Is that her party lines? PURDY vonts yeah. I didn't want a butcher to print. Well, so when she authored that paper that was your last name, but I think her last name is currently pretty greenway. Exchanging about story anti-us yet in any of. You have the right person. Yeah, yeah, I in when I read her work. I was very impressed with the nuance the nuance visibility like you guys said it wasn't a just trying to create a rigid. Hierarchy and I feel like the reason. This is important to discuss is because you guys build a lot of stuff so I. Kinda WanNa. Kind laid the foundation for the field before we get into specific papers I think the last thing we haven't really discussed. We talk about social dominance theory, subordinate target hypothesis as far as I. have relates your I'll try Yes, just feel free to jump in. I haven't really spent a long time thinking about Sto a while, but by okay so social dominance theory In terms of implications for intersectional stereotyping. Argues in essence that that that men from particular marginalized groups will tend to face a greater brunt of the discrimination that's directed toward those groups. That's that's what this theory refers to the subordinate military officers. The idea is that if you're a support group member. An there's spies against that particular group. targets the males Negra specifically, and and the evidence is supported target hypothesis that this theory tends to point to winner to deleting the or trying to support the validity of the hypothesis are some of the things that you mentioned earlier? Trevor things like. Police civilian violence disproportionately being directed toward by men relatives. Black Women things that Ben Nature. And, so the theory actually comes from like a an evolutionary standpoint. And essentially like. One assumption of the theory is that is basically like sort of a I don't really not explain it. Like is essentially that like. Well I may just want to jump in helping. I I actually can't remember now that I'm thinking about it out loud like like like why specifically the evolutionary reasoning baked into the theory causes us to believe that men relatives would would be more Lincoln face discrimination a on so I I kind of what the doctor to get as defined by other response, the social dominance theory shows up as a reference point in my work in pop, because we are required to often marsh, be kind of theoretical trajectory Lebron's work, but also because I think what I was interesting technician through social dominance theory invitations midsection undisguised the. Is a social dominance theories specific oriented. System around hierarchies of Pohan status, and so really thinking about what the implications are for is a section at a systemic level. If it was a different organizing society and so social dominance, there'd be night. Christopher was articulating evolutionary background that suggests that because from an evolutionary standpoint, men women among a more likely to be the arbiters than sounds of. Violence and Poland untold scores, the unlikely to be the text of discrimination, but also the recipients of discrimination relative to the woman in these different groups. This is also in some ways related to because everything is connected a blue. County because how the raising dot men up typical. He says you know she. The of this has also to do with how we understand mediums. As the default context on which we decide how we understand the the. Behind the civil admits this avoid. This. Necessary more broadly for micro-businesses. When I was invoking in my own, what I was really thinking through was really Abo- The aspect of social dominance theory. That addresses was quote legitimising. People happy justified attitudes to people and I was using not to situate particularly because my. Sexual orientation to consider how social dominance theory ready talks about the belief that heterosexuality is the default on the fact that that is the generally have that having particular interest excellencies default creates the Social Environment from which we become mayes prejudice discrimination against Brucie's on hold them. That is called a by the fact that in a similar week because default for per Balaji Empowering Resource Center the Whiteness, about into of hierarchy where people AFRO-PESSIMISM THE BEACON, discuss off diffuse interested, but I think for me into thinking about an hour's. Affair reoriented around the whole poche was in a structural sense. That was really what my interest. In some. and. since I thank you both the US because I recently read a lot of on social dominance theory in preparation for this 'cause I acted a kind of refresh myself with everything to understand your papers. I can kinda say from what I remember. Christopher as far as the evolutionary reasons I think what it was kind of trying to say was that men are kind of the threat when you're conquering and don't really have a use to an invading group of men like like the. The idea was that oppression and oppression and domination and subjugation is primarily a male to male enterprise, those kind of what I was getting from it, but women get press, too, but women get oppressed to the degree in which they're deemed as loyal or supportive of the men, and the less affiliated or the more distance to willing to be from the men. There's a sense that they can to a degree escape it to so for for example some examples would be like when. The Nazis invaded France and took over our Paris. There were a lot of women who were able. Get by because they were. Lovers or partners are accommodates to the Nazis in a way that men can really get by. Claiming to take advantage of those are the woman whose heads were shaved when France was France was liberated. They made a big spectacle of shaving their heads, but like in another example like if you look at something like battle for Algiers or read France for discussion of Richard, the earth the Algerian women were viewed as very very loyal to demand. Demand and the the Liberation Army in Algeria, so they kind of got a lot of the same same wrath as the men because our their review like you can't trust him. You can't really make them into concubines. You can't really deal within the same where you can as so so I don't know if I'm saying is making sense. I'm trying to remember. What I was? I'm following basically. There are like historical examples of link. Different kinds of subjugation in violence directed toward different Again all that I just couldn't remember like. I couldn't remember like specifically like why. I mean like all of these biological theories about prejudice state based sort of argued that like we have a psychological infrastructure that's been. Selected for over the course revelation I think I. Remember this very evolutionary psychology, which a lot of people don't like so starts with a great assault. Anyone who's listening I'm not being prescriptive, just being descriptive of what I believe. I read I think the idea is that women are more valuable than men like they have eggs. They have. You can absorb women into. The of war as politically correct as it is to say, I, wonder spoils of war used to be the women and absorbing the women like Genghis Khan is said to have sired children across all these populations that he he conquered men. What are you going to do with the subordinate male sperm? You don't want that into the mix. The evolutionary justification was that the women. Women have some value if they're willing to be absorbed and like you don't have to, is actually not evolutionary advantageous genocide, the women for being women if you're invading because they have a use as far as spreading grew jeans, and whatever, whereas the men are competing sperm and I think that was the evolutionary reasoning behind and again I'm just repeating what I believe I read. For the record. I did not mean to derail us. As sort of like all. Be Real at all? Bishop! Be Railing bringing it back. It's fine. But. That was the location theory for when Justin I do is that an argues that sort of distribution tends to be directed toward men were lemon. rations from addition for example tends to be directed more tormented women. The antics reeling it all just because I believe that one of the big things about all of this is trying to figure out hierarchies of of oppression for better or worse, and because that's a that's a viewpoint that I think is very counterintuitive to the current discourse like the idea that men might face more more oppression women I think we do kind of have to spell out the reasoning more because I think people probably a little more hostile to the idea, I would imagine because to me, I feel like social dominance theory is probably the one that has the least mainstream penetration, and it's probably for that reason that is kind of counterintuitive. I. Think Yeah I. Think I think. It, also I mean the. Women might not face. Racial bias categorically is finding something not like. An. laypeople stone believed to be true I. think that's taken to its extreme disappointment tired. Hypothesis implies that. Black. Women don't face racial discrimination Sort of you know. And I think that that seems inappropriate. Both to scientists enter to members of the general public. Are people who are not necessarily subtraction theory that is. especially to be taken to extreme like I, think I think It was trying to say that they face it to the extent to which they're deemed to be. Loyal to to the cause of the men, but at the same time someone can look at you as a black woman. Even if you're a black woman, who says hey, I hate back. Men and I have nothing to do with them. No one can look at you and to say hey. I could tell that woman is not affiliated with. The men of our race. It's just by looking like she's driving car certain way, but that doesn't. That doesn't happen. There's no there's no way that you could ever fully. Check out. If you're a black male conservative, he could be the most anti-black blackmail conservative on earth, but if you're driving a car and a police officer to seize you driving a car. From to know that you're what your politics are, yes, so yeah, I think I can see it being the kind of ideology that would probably attract a lot of people who wanNA misuse it to say that black women have known no no real categorical racial problems yeah, but I think we've pretty much covered covered all the. We Miss Anything just in the defendant. We've missed any competing theories or No I, don't think so generally I. Mean I think that results? I mean as I, said the I think. A lot of these theories kind up on food and link to each other and I think. We are moving into an ages in social psychological research. Certainly, that is already beginning to more seriously engage what potential to get into sessional for can be poor theorizing, but also research scholarship for interventions. Touch I. Think we at least. Engaged at least Abroad seconds fairies already to work on Christopher how you do different. Things very, we need to discuss but I think. I didn't yeah I think so as well and I think something important to end up. Just kind of touched on this is is not really like a East Coast West Coast be for people befriending the turf in trying to take down the places I mean other theories. A lot of this is very complimentary and building on each other, and you know we check in some parts of competing theories and accepting parts. It's very. It's a very holistic type of conversation. Conversation I I found from what I read. It wasn't what I was. It was very different online where everything's contentious and I wanNA prove that I'm the most depressed i. m IRA on it on approved that men have it worse. I'm a I'm a feminist who wants to prove that women have it where it's really not not like that courage people if it's not always easy to read, but I think it's a very productive conversation and I wish a lot of the. The conversation was more like this and that kind of trying to win all the time. oppression on the books but I think a good place to start would probably be without Christopher's paper. Racial stereotyping of gay men can a minority sexual orientation erase race and one thing I remember from your paper was when you tweeted at the first paper of yours that I found it did not go like wildfire the same way a lot of other papers were. Were like it was a feeling that to that. It's not really why people want to hear 'cause, because for example when David Paducah had his paper, there were a lot of reflexive responses to where people didn't like because because they're trying to say that, oh are you claiming that black gay male privilege is a thing? And then it was kind of dismisses Ken of Homophobic. I tweeted out David Producers Paper that Oh. This is interesting and people got mad at me. At me, this is bullshit. There's no such thing as black gaming privileged out papers saying well I don't want to be the guy, but out you saying that there's a universal black gay male privilege just talking about one context, but it was like No, you're you're being. Whatever so I was wondering if you found any type of pushback, just based on the title alone or you know. What? I mean so I haven't ever received any like over pushback. paper just say with the finding of the paper is of course. Yeah yet, so basically the finding of the paper is that when people. Learned that men are gay at I, think of these men is seeming less typical of their own racial groups. So when people in the black gay in this country. He won this country when he learned the black gave. They tend to think of them possessing attributes that don't seem quite as stereotypically black as if they thought about statement dead. New the same thing. Brother groups so in England East Asia. Day I think of them seeming less Asian quote unquote than when they don't want it. Things Matter Day, so that was one of the the paper, and then the other finding of the paper was that something that happens with Batman in particular is that when people earned their gay? It's not just that people stereotype in this seemingly black, they also stereotype them seeming stereotypically wider, so they think of them as having wider. Psychological characteristics that if you send these characteristics to a new plan, stated I'm like how do they seem? People say that they seem wire. When these characters enlisted forgave than when they've been listed for straight bypass, so so that's the finding of the paper. Yeah, I I was kinda nervous about. I was nervous about pushback. I didn't really get much. I mean essentially the paper. I tried to discuss the which was just like I. Think I knew the reason this stuff all happens. The reason learning that a person is getting can distort the kinds of racial features that you vitamin or think that they possess. Is Because You know like justice? Saying race in people's minds is in meshed in very inextricable ways with other kinds of things with racing our minds comes idea of like basically when people think of of of Gayness, they think of you know stereotypically High status qualities than those the same qualities based on the white people. In this way like notions of status and race in sexual orientation are deeply intertwined in our minds, and this is what causes these biases to emerge and. Somebody's gay black since gay. For example, you might ask yourself like well like if I miss gay. Maybe they have these these other attributes associate with gain estimate. Those other person says his gayness are are high status attributes. Will those intern seemed to be the same attributes that people associate with whiteness inside? So in this way you can sort of understand how labeling somebody certain way can sort of distort the way to make sense of a person's racial particular context, so your thought is that people associate being gay with being wider because I mean this is kind of. Because it's confounded with Sarah's took. Yeah. That's the thing that we argued in the paper we did find. Some we did find evidence for that so so like it is the case that nate when they list an attribute for Gay Blackman relative to. Astray Beichman they do end up listening traits that if you show straits to a new this new group will say those same higher status, and it is the case that to the extent of those traits same higher status. It turns out that these men are also characterized by traits that will rate as seeming whiter. So this is sort of the status element does with the white settlement related to a different experiment where we add where we we like, ask you think about either black manner, East Asian men, and what we manipulated was whether or not these men were described in stereotypically. stereotypically high status roles things like being described as like an engineer or a lawyer or in this country we associate with status, versus not so another condition sort of not described as being in high status roles, but instead they're described as being stereotypical roles, doing things like custodial work fast food service. Things like that and we slowly showed is that. Is that if you if you get people to imagine either of these groups in high status roles. The the whitening thing no longer happens, and the reason no longer happens. Is that if the person in your mind is already? Kind of high status than labeling the person's gay doesn't awesome to seem any different than they would have seen otherwise, and so in turn. There's no whitening pattern that kind of habits. This might not be a bad question, but maybe a chicken and egg thing, but is you're finding that gains implies whiteness which implies high status, or is it? A gayness is high status within implies rightness. Let like. Did you find in order to be more typical of the kind of thing where right listen status are so interrelated. That is not really something. You can even read tease apart very easily. You know honestly so in the paper. We argued that it was specifically, McGinnis, changes your. Your notions of a person's status in this intern associates influences perception that person's whiteness. That's talking about in the paper, but what you just said is is is the matter which is that these things are so intertwined in people's minds in this country to be white is linked in people's minds with to be high status, but essentially you know both are kind of happening exactly the same time, and it's kind of impossible to really pin down for sure whether it really is one day to the other. Because both wants something. I thought was brilliant about your paper, which is not something that I would have intuitively thought about, but when you bring it up in the paper makes lot of sense is I think a lot of especially in America retreat, racism, binary of black and white. You know, and even a lot of non black people of color kind of complain about this about this idea. Idea that everyone kind of after thought in his this kind of treated like this binary, and I thought what you did was gray in that he didn't just conflate the rationalization with automatic whitening that you made a point to make it two separate hypotheses, which is when is that being gay The racial is is men of color, but also does it actually right in. In them and what was interesting? Is that an end up leading to some interesting results? You're totally right. Yeah, so the two don't always happen. At the same time said to seem less like your own group is not necessarily by default the same wider so see Asian East Asian men in this country are interesting example because they they already are stereotype as being in high high status roles people. People think of East Asian individuals. The stereotypes about them characterized them as being really industrious in really intelligent in all these things that we associate with high status for them when they're labeled as gay. They do seem like they're no longer quote. Unquote Asian to people, but they don't corresponding see many stereotypically wider, or because a lot of the positive stereotypes that whites have also associated with. Asians East Asians various. correctly yeah I. mean basically I mean Yeah. It's sort of. It seems like they have this. The high status thing common. In terms of the way people stereotype them. We didn't talk about your. Identities but you know just put a audience because sometimes because one of the things that Renzo these papers is sometimes when trains of thoughts in in decide Danny talk is the lived identities of the person talking, so if you we're interested in talking about what your identity is are and how kind of affected how you viewed the findings. You know like as far as. Well so I so I I am a gay white man against his gender. White men and I mean I think you're right when I started I, started this research that we're talking about right now right when I began my she from him and I think right from the get go. I was interested I actually recently come out of the closet came out of the closet. Like a link. When I was twenty, two almost twenty, three and I started writing twenty four and I just felt like people's perceived me so differently when when I was disclosing. That I was gay person I felt like I felt like literally the way people saw me in. Remember me in five at me was changing and. And I I was just interested in General Austin. Learning somebody's gay. Just fundamentally changed the remember what or think about who they are, and that was definitely an impetus for this for this work Justin I'm GonNa? Put you on the spot. Did. You have any particular thoughts or questions about Christopher is paper that she wanted to. Share whether it's You know the information in it, or as far as why your own experiences kind of confirmed or didn't feel right when one way or the other. Amy Thought you might have had. Questions I mean I don't really have any lessons. I think Sephardic. reduce somewhat similar. We're cutting engaging recently. I am currently questions, but I mean I. think that the approach that is being Tikan is good i. think what I what I appreciate it I think in a similar way to you. Travel was the careful nuanced discussion of the relationship between High Status Whiteness on sexual orientation because I do think that If you on the careful, a those things can become completely. Derail the actual arguments. On this, call me on his eyes. I think trying to make in not all in not people, but overall I mean I thought it was, it was very interesting. Having known so to me with the East Asian example is when you were discussing new show off the association's high status, I mean the resonator me into, but also in terms of brother research I mean because will be. Sort of near. The. When the muscles just Suzanne Fisk. Is Involved in physical the stereotype content model, looking at one of the tax, these different kinds of groups in a way out on the Avi on basically two broad dimensions, when it's warm under the competence, and what's interesting to me is not admit sense by had before East Asian men already having high. Stereotypes associated with them because that is one of mustard. That's the point to note about East Asian persons with men in particular, they Their industrials to hybrid intelligence, but they also compatible Theranos, and they also secretive or tricky, and so they are these kinds of relationships are. Very high on carpets. fisk. And so mixed sense, then that Guinness or the revolution of this extra does not shift high status role very much given the dot was already. The. Is Actually unassuming one before the X. others released the identity unusual in hardware that is American context, but I thought the careful discussion of that on link was particularly impressive unuseful. Because I think it's very easy to collide. Also some of those distinctions than what used to work on allows you to conclusions that I. Do know that idol also Ted Sutton Sutton that came to mind when I was reading this, and just in as somebody of creeping sent out like me, you might be able to in no way I'm going with this, but one thing. That's very interesting about being. Immigrant descent when you're black, is that and people we can think about this or realize this but I've talked about this my Asian. Is How black immigrants have this thing where they can get the stereotypes of African Americans, but also they have a lot of the culture and stereotypes that people kind of associate with immigration including. East Asian immigrants like people write about how Nigerians are hard working and curve busters and engineering classes, and how have certain family structures and how to demand our kids get as people say the same thing about a lot of Caribbean. Immigrants as well like about like this positive stereotypes of immigrants that even get applied to like on East Asian immigrants. Bat some black immigrants partially get even as they're getting the negative stereotypes that come with blackness, and as complicated stuff is already. I really wonder What would happen if people started throwing in? To add to the mix the immigrants stuff I want to know if you've done any thinking about that, or if you know anyone else who has written about that, if it's something that has crash mind, and also, if you disagree with any of what I said by all means, you can always bring that up as well to I can certainly consistently be true. I agree with you. That person's perspectives about Caribbean. un-african. Dia Sport. Immigrant groups automatic of Utensil, our own being very hot, getting very industrious, extremely high. Academic on snowstorm so I definitely see experience in different ways. I think what's really intriguing about how is thought on the one hand? The stereotypes are wrong, industriousness unintended. In some funke sometimes emerge and I can speak for being tonight. To discuss other dice for goose, because I belong to those, but in terms of. Being from. DOT relationship to industriousness at excellence in India in academic pursuits can merge after stereotype positive stereotypes from. Immigrant communities themselves. Really interesting is sometimes regardless of intention on lots of whether we desire to not many of the negatives that was African American citizens with blackness. Writ Large. Brdo Super Bowl new group. A sometimes ascribed to us and I think that distinction particularly interesting how much we re leads are accept or resist these kinds of stirred. That's positive or negative because I think depend, I tried to emphasize. Bring up here because. Positive stereotypes as they've opted. Imprisoning important, we is putting some of on the pencil unseen. You already could up this. Is, is in good at mass is always a fantastic example me because I have something called nine vision. and. who seeing how much people be them for? Not being that Matt, themselves are also not got. Now you're breaking e-expect and you have to be punished in some particular muscle show what psychological foil deviance from this particular categorize you put for you, but what does that then mean? was that mean with invalid? Instruct here? So, what does that mean if I am Caribbean and In Sarah Typically hyper intelligent I'm not perceived to be working. What does not hold as dot holden light integrate these defend entities, and so as far as integrating might. Considered as yet I, think I'm trying to do things as we do. In Science Chris incrementally because I think these are all very interesting questions, which will content dress every single intersection at the time I also think the intersection identity interactions identities Mata equally interesting about broader systemic vinyl, thinking about poet Seamus. In American society until I think for me. It's potentially I think I'm thinking about. Immigration in a separate line of. But it's I have the integrating just as yet at least not in quite the same week, but it is something to consider for the future, but I happen to believe too much great in-depth theoretical, so it's beyond just Michael Snow the experience of existing as someone who's both America Cole I sort of engaged with your across these different advanced. All right you're also. That is the end of part one goto again Patriot dot, com for slash champagne, sharks or click the link in the show notes to get to. January.

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5 Reasons We Wait For Permission To Do What We Really Want

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5 Reasons We Wait For Permission To Do What We Really Want

"With the new iphone se for less than one hundred bucks metro new rule it's the most affordable iphone, the number one brandon prepaid whether you're studying online or fees tiny. Hey Mom. Hi Dear. The iphone se has all you need switched to Metro and get the iphone se for ninety, nine, Ninety, nine after rebate redemption and six months of service with auto-pay Metro by t mobile rule your day. One per account slash household requires port ninety validation not valid for numbers currently on the T. mobile network. Act on Metro and path ninety days restrictions apply see store for details. The. Welcome to accelerate your business growth with your host. Diane, Helbig. Diana's a leading Small Business Development and leadership coach author and speaker who is passionate about sharing valuable ideas, tips and techniques with business professionals. 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Over the years, the accelerate your business growth podcast has continued to gain recognition as One of the best podcast listen to for business to sales marketing leadership a whole host of topics. And that is due in large part to the guests. These are folks who have expertise in particular areas of business and they join me to have a conversation where they share their expertise with all of Yale. Today is no different. My guest today as Sally holder. Sally is the acclaimed bestselling author of hitting rock metal. The roadmap from empty success to true fulfillment which. Published this year earlier this year? She's a podcast host end founder of the Brim. She's Assad after coach Speaker trainer and guide to her clients breaking out of their silent screaming success and into true fulfillment. Thanks so much for joining me today Sally. I am thrilled to be here. Diane. Thanks for having me. Absolutely I. I. Love the subject and I wanNA dive right in and have you explain what is rock. Metal. Chore Rock Metal is a term that I use to describe that middle place in your life or career wear. You can often times get stock and stay there forever. It is where you're not yet reaching your greatest potential, but you're also not at rock-bottom, right your succeeding but often times in the middle we experienced that really tough place where your success lacks fulfillment. So for me the true definition of reaching your greatest potential ad having, you know the ultimate definition of success in my experience in in my coaching life has always included both success and fulfillment. and. I find that a lot of people get left behind because they get left in this noodle place and I figured if we could come up with the definition for that and some terminology we talk about it more and if we talk about it more than people will solve that problem in move out of that place and find their potential and a whole `nother level of happiness that they really deserve. that. That is so great and I'm curious. So. Like how does it happen is if we? Like get a job and we don't really think about fulfillment. Yet or right or are we so like? Heads down trying to accomplish something that we don't think about what's going on there. Well. I can tell a little bit about my story and I think it exemplifies it quite well You know I followed what I call societies model of success. That external definition at success? It does it come along with any internal markers right? No is saying here all the check boxes that you need to. Check. In order to reach success, they are dis which are all external and they are. These are all internal rate. We've completely left behind all of the internal check boxes, and so I just did all the external ones I went to a prestigious undergraduate school. I went directly to law school I went to the second largest labor employment law firm in the country I received awards, accolades, and all these things, and I found myself in a tenure law practice absolutely fundamentally miserable now, externally I was having articles written about my successes and you know like I said receiving awards. I hated it and it was this jerk secret that I kept long longtime because I thought who cares about a woman who's earning six figures and hates our life. Nobody cares about that person like they want to come and save you when you're at rock-bottom and everybody wants to grab you from that place and say make change. Let me help you. But when you are it rock metal in that middle place no one's coming to grab you and say, let me help you out of this and so. I stayed there for a really long time and You know I think that it is because creating change from a place of success is very, very difficult and often discouraged and so You know I want to open up like you know Pandora's box and give people a big permission slip to create change from that place of success whenever they desire. And start that conversation around that just because you decide at twenty two, what you WanNa do and B doesn't mean you're gonNA still, Levi at forty two and oftentimes you're not. So. Again, life experience comes with evolution growth and so naturally, our careers should follow that growth too. So that's what I. It's been hard and Albania has an and so when you realized that you are miserable that you are fulfilled that you. Since there weren't really resources for you, how how did you? Shift like you know how did you just go? Okay seriously, I just can't anymore. Yeah So my story is that I again, my experience was that you don't stay typically at rock middle all that long you know I mean you can, but but you're always moving closer to or further away from your dreams every day ray you're either making. Choices towards the growth orchards shrinking, and so I made you know the what I perceived to be the safer choices and stayed where I was stayed kind of continuing shrink, and then used all of the socially acceptable extra mechanisms to numb the pain that came along with trying to fit in tobacco box that didn't fit into and so I've. started to drink more heavily used alcohol you know, and so my journey took me further down closer to a rock bottom experience and and you know I do find that you know a lot of people in dot now I'm sharing my story more often say you know I'm not at that weight necessarily Rodham but I am drinking more than I want. To or I am numbing it with other things, right? Netflix. Shopping any of it. I'm doing things and justifying those actions because I'm in a career that I just dislike and I'm having to Numb the pain of choosing to stay there and so that's what I did end. I didn't couldn't find the road map out just as you suggested, you know I. If there was a person to pay the Diane I paid like I was willing to throw whatever money there was at the problem because that's what society told me, right there's something wrong me because everyone else fits into these check boxes, everyone else's loving it. No one else is saying that they're unhappy. We're not talking about it and so I went and took a I went and saw therapist I. wouldn't took Myers Briggs test. I took all kinds of those things and they told me that I was a classic entrepreneur. Great. Thank you. For such inciteful information I kinda going in. But Matt, what like what the heck was like just do with that title nothing Insert so I then decided okay. This is just going to have to be something that I learn to do on my own, and that's exactly what I did and I said if I ever figure out my way out of this man, I'm going to share it with more people I'm going to try to give them the same roadmap because I know that there are a lot more people in their suffering in silence I. Know that there are I can't be the only one and they need the same roadmap that that I needed and so that's why I wrote the book and wanted to share my experience with other people. Boy I gotTa Tell Ya Sally It's so resonates with me. and. I. Think this is such a valuable subject because we really do have we had. Hopeless changing, but but this real societal belief system that you? Got A job you worked hard at it. You did well, you made a good living or a decent living whatever it is and that you found. Happiness and fulfillment elsewhere in your life. And it it it doesn't work. Right you have to be doing something the actually fills you up. You spend too much of your light doing it right performing those actions more of that time spent working men is spent doing the playthings generally and so you'd better love it and and. It's okay to want to find something that you love and that you're hashing it out you know I was sold a lot of those old stories that. You know as I I started to express my discontent with friends or family members that is just a phase or work supposed to be hard or. Just. Waiting WORKS OCCASIONALLY GONNA be miserable get over it, and again you don't okay and so I I was put my head down, get to work and just deal with kind of person, and then the started to continue to grow and I couldn't ignore it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Boy I thank you for sharing your story. I appreciate it An- I. I, definitely think. That it is resonating with other people as well. I mean I have to say, I totally switched what I was doing when I was forty five and had two small kids and said Dawn N. and. It was one of the best decisions that I've ever made so. I feel. I get it. Good for you I'm so glad that you're not to. Thanks. It was I was totally about it. My husband was all nervous but I I was. Totally on it. So, how is the one know when they're stuck in rock metal? What are the signs? So you know. Generally tell people if you feel like there is a significant difference between. The. At, a lot of people are GonNa, say well I have but is is that if there is a significant difference between what you show the world on the outside and what you believe is actually going on on the inside. Then you may be stuck Iraq middle if you feel that you externally needs put a mask on and show the world that you are significantly happy and fulfilled, and that is what you portray. But you know that there is a totally different side that you feel Truly. Disconnect between you know that extra representation and your drought feelings then. I believe that there is something to look at It doesn't always mean a wholesale career change it can mean you know again changing. The please or the people you know or the processes it doesn't have to be that, but it can't be and the point is that more people simply need to give themselves the permission slip to evaluated to spend the time Thinking about what would make them the happiest I. Have The hardest time when coaching entrepreneurs or small business senators. To convince them to put themselves into the. Right to their own concerns and what it is that they want George -ccomplish within their businesses and what creates a win win for themselves and their clients. Right. I have a hard time convincing them to put their own concerns and desires of what they want to accomplish with their business into thought process at all in. So we just naturally have been I think inclined and taught to lead that part of ourselves behind and we need to catch up with it and a my philosophy now is you know as a small business owner, you've got to constantly put your desires what creates that internal win win for you and your client into every decision you're making whether it's your pricing, your offerings. May Be otherwise you are setting yourself up for that dischord that either resentment frustration You know ultimate feeling of lack of Seville. Matt because you're not doing something that you WanNa be doing, you've given up your power to your client. This would I think help people. Fire. Maya. More working for them. Absolutely right any again I think that the entire concept hitting rock metal goes into all of these aspects. It permeates every part of your business because it means that you deserve internal happiness Weil, Weil not when you reach a certain level of success but while you are building it and that does not have to come at a compromise of your happiness, it doesn't it. Can if you build it out way but if you choose to only work with the people who value who will pay you your prices of what it is that you charge, then you will find that you are performing at an optimal level and giving the client above and beyond. So interesting I'm GonNa take a quick break and then I have sworn questions for him grain. Accelerate your business growth podcast is happy to be sponsored by audible DOT COM. And while audible dot com has thousands of audiobook titles that you can choose from. You may not know that they also have podcast. Guided Meditations, audible originals and more. It's amazing. The amount of content and it's sort of funny to me that. They are known so much for the audio books that like the other content gets lost in an equally good. I personally the guided meditations I find pretty valuable especially these days. So. visit, audible trial dot com slash business growth to sign up for a free trial of audible DOT COM and explore. Look. At the titles of the audio books, check out the other programming that they've got going on I. Think you're GonNa be pleasantly surprised at all that you can find and it's all in one place. You don't have to go on two different platforms to get the information that you are looking for. Today we are speaking with Sally holder about. Not Waiting for permission to do what we really want. And Sally so I think the I'm sorry but because I'm thinking about this whole. Not Waiting for permission. To to do the things that we. Really WanNa be doing How does someone get out of rock metal? Like how does day are there steps that they go through to? Work their way out of it. What what's The process. Absolutely so You know whenever you find yourself are you? Or in a career that you want to make it. So who so change or whether you're running your small business and just want to create more fulfilment within it. You know I always challenge people to start by redefining their destination. You know so many clients will come to me and we will begin by them. Climb on all of the questions about just like you're asking how how do we get you know to fulfilment? How do I just love what I do again how do I create more revenue and I? Say you know okay. Well, let's figure that out together we're you going. Like that's the first thing that we need to know and often times they have it defined right and so my presumption is that they are then following someone else's external method because what else are they propping up as the definition of success or their destination is likely just duplicating someone else's method which may not sit you and so instead we need to do the hard work to really define what success is for us and that successful destination and the successful definition destination will vary for every single one of you. It will vary by revenue, it will vary by the number of employees it will vary by. You know the amount of profits you need or want all different kinds of things and so I always tell people you know we have to know what that destination is at the beginning because you could be going to California or it could be going to Europe, and there was required to really different strategies and yet you always want to come from the starting line and instead we've got to come from the finish line and it is that finish line if you have not done the hard work to determine what that looks like for you that you begin with and no very clearly all of those bits of really relevant information and then you know follow the process that. Stephen Covey outlined long ago, which is begin with the end in mind, and so you begin with that destination and you work your way backwards all the way through and you're ask yourself okay. If if my destination is ten million dollars in revenue twenty employees, then how did I get there right? What were if I'm sitting at that place? What are the things that I even visually right if you incorporate meditation into Your Business which are highly recommend but you know visually what came up for you what did you see right? Is it a big office or working remotely? You know what? Put it all down on paper and as you work your way backwards, you can ask yourself what were the things that I had to have in place in order to reach that right? Okay. Well, if it's twenty employees and you see all the people working together, I had to have an offense. Okay. Well, if you had to have a big office, then you know, where were you one step before what was the revenue that created the office and is what you're doing. Now headed in that direction or you working on things that you can scale to that Russell or are you not see I? Never was had I. Been I would have seen the true dichotomy that existed right I was practicing law in one state traveled around for really big companies and did work labor work for them but. Predominantly an in one office in one state practicing law licensed in only one st right and I wanted to be this internationally traveling person jet-set. Love Life Right. Creating millions of dollars of revenue, and that is not at all the life of a lawyer. Like. Comical to me now wait what was. And yet when I close my eyes an ambition like the happiest that's what I saw and yet I just thought, Oh, well I don't know one day you will just magically appear no no, you have. To put intention behind like intention find your actions to create a life you want and So it's Hilarious to me that I stayed so long and that I traveled to places where the most glamorous place I ate was either the gas station waffle house right and and I thought suddenly all that was going to change now I need. To change myself, and then than create the steps to to reach that very different estimation. Dow Boy I it's so great. That's what I was thinking about. Stephen Kelly when you were talking about because you're right it is so begin with the end in mind and and I think So telling I think part of the reason people. Get stock is because what you just said that they don't start at the end that they start at the beginning for sure and and. And they don't like break it down into. Okay. If I WANNA, go there I have to do in in order to head down that road it is sort of magical thinking. No they don't, and you know when you're starting from that starting line right wherever you stand right now. And if you are to look. Right. And you're se. At this. Amazing destination that one I just described great twenty. Ten million dollars just go with that and you're looking at that and you are where you are right now I'm just guessing that you're gonNA look at that and be scared to death. Yeah. You'RE GONNA look back and be like allegis give up on might as well. Just stay exactly where I am because there's no way the distance between where I am and getting there is like climbing Mount Everest I mean it's ridiculous. But that absolutely is the feeling every time you have to conquer something that way and you're staring up any big obstacle. But when you are act in when you were at the finish line and you look backwards right from that way. And you're looking down Typically. Having feel. A Lot less overwhelmed, right? Yeah. Not like it wasn't that bad. You know oh I can see the path I talk right I can see the path I. Took to climb up here or whatever metaphor you're imagining bike etc, and I made it right and that is one of the biggest things is. You know concrete your feelings and your fears around creating that you bigger entity that bigger business and that description of how is is all about being able to change your perspective and start out believing and being able to see it from a totally different vantage points and so when you're looking at it from the end, your feelings of overwhelm or decreased, you are a lot less likely to give up right All of those things are really critical just as you start. and. Then as you're looking backwards, you're capable much more likely of splicing it up and looking at it in those short-term goals that you're capable of upsetting out and that's what I do in in the bring the enchanted the beginning is what people through this process and help them define knows goals and then execute on them but and you know I always remind them if you're looking at it from the other vantage point of Kirscher, overwhelmed because you're not supposed to know how you never done it before it's new, right? It's something completely outside your comfort zone it's brand new and here's the other thing. Is something you really really want? And there is a lot of emotional attachment to that that. We are so much better off for the myriad of reasons that I've listed. Right now of starting with the end in mind not just because Stephen Covey said it but because it allows you to let go of that attachment, it allows you to resume your success. It allows you to start already knowing presuming that the outcome will be achieved and when you start from that great point of presumption of success. Can take deep breath. And, you can do it. And you can begin and that's ninety percent of the battle is just getting started. Yeah and and that's that presumption. I feel like like opens up your brain to. Abilities. To receiving ideas like how creative I always laugh with people to like we have to laugh at ourselves. We have to laugh at the state there were all right now anyway but I, laugh with people all the time and think about that like. It's pretty comical that you would even look at the other situation and. Not Be overwhelmed like. I JUST WANNA throw your hands up like it's pretty comical to think that. You would just expect all of that of yourself. You actually wouldn't expected of anybody else. Right. You wouldn't as expectations on. You wouldn't say to someone else my God why do you not know how to do it? You must be such failure. You've loser right yet. We say these things in our brains to ourselves. And I'm never believed that someone else. Right. We would think, Oh, well, you just need to create logical steps and you just you know and so it when we lose some of that emotional attachment and we can look at it from that you know third party Eden Perspective was just another tool that utilized with people is is helping to distance themselves from that initial attachment of the outcome. And again. Laugh at how long we sat at go that we sat at the starting line thinking all of these crazy myths and believing cam rather than believing in our own potential. Rather than believing in our own individual desires right which is our sole time to us or at least that's my belief. Is You know our internal voice that knows the best for us and knows we're fully capable of sheeting these things like. Discount Bat voice right away it and we will believe an article we read on the Internet that has no basis in fact, and no business experience right at all this is only a reporter and has never once built a business but yet I'm going to believe him over any of my own intuition in my previous success. Is Crazy but it is it because. If we are we afraid that if we venture toward it and we don't get it then what? I'm. You know there is just as much a fear of success as there is a fear of failure. Right. You know and I do a great deal and that's why you know some of my clients kind of joke with me about like Gosh you kind of mixed therapy in here and I'm like, yes, I you have to, right? Yeah. You has to grow you as the leader of the business has to be different if you want to achieve something different and so you know we can't leave room personal development behind And so Yeah, I. Mean we have to learn things about ourselves and our own fear of success and and what potential negative consequences we are attaching to that success right now. Ray oftentimes, we will attach negative consequences light. Beliefs that with that ten million dollars of success comes a complete lack of control of your business or I've heard things that. Creating that ten million dollars of you know. I. Wouldn't want that business because with that comes. The inability to have any connection with clients anymore. And I say why? Is that a fact? Or is that a feeling? Right, isn't that just a feeling? Like, can you find one person in all of the world that has a ten million dollar business that still has? Touch with their clients and gets to talk to them. See you can find one. Just what? Your theory won't hold up. It's just a feeling. And that's just further evidence of some of those you know myths that we put in our own way as self sabotage and things that we have grabbed onto as a blocker tha that success so that we don't have to go after it so that we can stay small. Super can gain the benefit from believing that 'cause there's a payoff, right? What is it that interesting? What? What, what is the payoff? The payoff is never having a risk anything. Having to fail the payoff is different for everyone. You know maybe it is. There's. A risk of financial failure that always inhibits them maybe. The risk of judgment. I think that each of us has owned, you know kind of one leading point. I can say for me, mine definitely is a risk of judgment but I see for clients the time that it is certainly a risk of financial failure. Heck I have had some say to be before. I couldn't possibly become an entrepreneur then I wouldn't have any health insurance. Entrepreneurs entrepreneurs can't have health insurance so. Okay Where did you read that long? Did you come up with that rate but we all have something Story that we've attached ourselves to that has become of you know that blockade Ted, that future potential and that blockade keeps us in rock metal. It keeps us from that beautiful place that gives you chills. It gives me chills right just imagining it for you. I mean for the people and I think about how different our world could be. I, just get big picture all the time about how different our world could be. If no one had to live at rock metal if we all could just say, you know forget the fear of Judgment Forget the fear of you know whatever other Financial. Failure of any of those things and not discounting right not at all swinging the pendulum, I can already hear smear listeners like. You have to worry about those things. Not You know I'm not saying completely rate. I'm not saying that you know now suddenly just. CUSS people out and don't worry about the repercussions don't swing the pendulum two, zero but you know create a plan for financial success but don't let that be the driving factor that always keeps you at the starting line. And let go of some of it right just in can even let you move forward and mile. and. And you can experience a touch of that success and blow your own damn mind with. And when you do. Well, that's it. I mean the sky's the limit I've seen clients double triple quadruple. You know their revenue in tiny periods of time tiny thirty, sixty, ninety days because. When. You get going on this new belief you want more and more and more of it. And you were entire reciptivity to new ideas and and the truth flow that Business Han that you can experience in business begins to happen for you that true feeling of flow. Right the one where you are in your natural state doing that you were meant to do, and the hat is when you can get the in gleaned the real creativity, the real ideation that you've been craving the reason why you're not getting so much of it right now it's all clouded. You know it's clouded by all the things that you are that you were valuing more. Than Your own growth that you're doing the the judgments of others, the potential John. Of others over your own. Growth in success. Yeah I mean I I get on my pedestal. Because I, just feel that there are so many people that have so much to give I see day in day out, you have more to give you know that. I think deep down has that connection knowing that, but they're just craving dot roadmap to do it and I get that. I get it. I was stuck there. I've been there. That's why I'm so passionate about more people doing it too. I spent a decade there man I get it. And wasted time. I. Don't regret it at all. I needed that pain. To be able to know the level of pain that other people are into. Right or you don't want to go back to. Yeah. To let it in your fear with me again like I wish it were just in a straight line to grow like you'll experience that you may fall off a cliff again, get into the habits, right? Think you're all done with the growth thing. Seems. To Go away right and they're like, wow, stopped reading stopped meditating I start working with you stop you know. Cal In any other entrepreneurs I work with a cat and a head down for a year and suddenly I'm back rice starting I'm like. You know we just aren't done with it. Never done with it and and I think the word that we can. That the more often, we can continue to stay outside that comfort zone and Just be super comfortable with being uncomfortable. Right I wish forever ago that instead of my parents telling me success look like a title at a six figure career that they would have said sess looks like discomfort sometimes crying. Pain. But a ton of fulfillment on the other side of all of that. And that is all we're supposed to be. You know instead of feeling shame about having the tears or letting them go or feeling frustrated you know it it's often the very growth that you want to experience. That's right there on the other side of all those years but people stop when they get the tears, it scares them to death and then they say this is not run to be. So I'll just run back to the starting gate a run back to what I know. And that's not going to take you to a different place you worry down that path. You wouldn't take a different route home and be like, let me cross my fingers that it just gets me home. No. You would be lying hold on I figure out if this is the path that takes me home, you don't get in the car and just start driving and be. I, hope this interstate goes Carolina. We do that business all the time. We started driving for like, let me I mean, if you guys could see me I have like am I I joke with all the time about this like is closed fingers crossed light. You know what I'm talking about one I have opened where you're like is it going to work out I? Don't know in like how's the? How's that going for you and they're like had it didn't work out. We surprised when Totally. Shot. Yeah, where'd you get done idea? Well, it worked for so and so I hated it. They found success. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, or you then. You? Exactly like then. One, hundred percent. Now you're not. You have something different to give. Your so that unique to give stop following their pat. Gray. Drown. It does feel like we we as. As Humans have done this thing to ourselves where were looking around and more seeing. What we think people expect of US and what we're supposed to be doing, and there were supposed to be like so and so and that that's what success looks like and it just isn't. Gosh absolutely you know the people will say again all the time. Well. You know I would love to do that. That sounds great at all. I would love to launch this online business. You know we may snapped out but. In a way, I don't have the social media following. And because I don't, I can't be successively. Or I don't have you know a twenty, five thousand person email list and because I don't. I can't asphalt I can't watch that business. Not True. Not True just because one person has done it that way. Does not mean that you cannot succeed to search for every person that wants to do business with the person who has the twenty five thousand or I don't even know I have no followers but it's never really been my goal I'd that doesn't translate into revenue and I know that so. by. But Hey, so follow me on social media guys. But For every person who wants to follow the twenty five, thousand You Know Person Follower like whatever there is equally another person that would never follow them. They. Have Twenty five thousand followers that would never follow what they do because of that. And you have to do that at your. You have to be confident in that and not simply take one person's path to success as law. It is not. Right the opposite always exists. But you're never gonNA see it until you go and look at it until you try to find that different perspective, we put on one pair of glasses. We all look at it through one there and see the same thing, and then we have no offense but a bunch of people telling other people this is the only way you can do it. And it's just not true right? Right, I'm totally with you on that other there would be no innovation you ain't new show any rules bit or broken because of that. Yup, exactly, and and and part of it has to do with who do you want to be working with who do you WanNa be serving because? That's all that matters that the rest of the people just don't. Now Any and you know it is who do you WANNA serve like I've heard people say like wish mastered you WanNa Serve The X. Journal or the internal or External very often are solbes tune assumptions. All based on you know some. You know. Just. Mythical. Saying. I am like you know. I you know it comes down Diana that funny quote that you see every year around Christmas time, which is if you can believe in Santa Claus for about ten years, then you can believe in yourself for ten minutes. I mean again, you have to laugh with it but but it's true. Yeah. Right. You can put your belly. In a social media following, you can put your belief in yourself. You could equally do the opposite. By. Begin with what I refer to as the pyramid tight business, which is a deep level of confidence in ourselves and a deep level of belief in what it is that we are doing and what it is that we are bringing to the table that is wholly unique and Irish say that I did the other way for a really long time and find way too many small business owners building Jenga Tower instead right and the tower you you experience as exhaustion at the the day. Right. Experience as you know full decision. Fatigue Day. Long. You experienced as one thing right? Saying constantly if one thing goes wrong I, mean my whole day is just going to be roots and collapse rang I can't tell you how many times I did not where I would flat tire or my child would get sick and I lived. Shaky Jenga Tower right now where you pull one block, one thing is wrong. And the whole damn thing topples over. because. I wasn't built on what I believed. I was built on this teeny tiny unstable foundation of what someone else believed. And when you do it that way. You were always in risk of toppling. and. Instead when you reversed structure and you build it on a deep belief in yourself and the value you offer to your client, the value that you bring. Oh my gosh. Your earning potential is through the roof. Yeah. It will happen that way. Because you will approach clients with a win win relationship, you will approach your pricing with a win win relationship. You will approach your Chretien of revenue stream teams with a completely different. Perspective. Right, all a deep belief in what you're capable of creating. It's just different YEP. Yep It really is. It's it's mindset in Ireland changing away you choose the look at yourself. And the role that you play. In, the world Sally. If there was one thing that you wanted people to take away from this conversation, what do you think it would be? I would say the one thing is that that voice within you the one that is telling you, you have greater potential that you have more to give this world. Is Your Authentic Self? Is the real version of you and you deserve. To listen to it. Rather than listening to doubters or any one else outside of you you know you better than anyone else. Start listening to yourself. While that's really powerful. Thank you. Thank you for that and for this conversation I have so enjoyed, will you let the listeners know know? How they can find you how they can get the book all that wonderful stuff place. Yeah absolutely. My Book is called hitting rock middle. It is available on Amazon Dot Com or Barnes and noble dot Com and if you want more of my tricks advice, etc a have some great freebies around building your confidence. I have a fantastic confidence assessment that you can take to really determine kind of or you built like Jenga Tower or are you a little more of a pure med? and. Then some amazing tools around earnings and how to spend your time to create the business that you want all really tackling the kind of what I'm finding three areas of lack that we tend to focus on time earnings and confidence So if you go to Sally Colder Dot, com, which is S. A. L. L. E. H. O., L. D. E. R. then you can get all of those tools for. Free. Oh Gosh that's so great. Thank you so much. This was really wonderful listeners. Thank you. This is definitely something to I. Think Listen to again because I think there was a lot of really great inspiration motivation I i. do have to say to that I really appreciate Sally. You sharing your story. 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Wheat and Taxes

Akimbo: A Podcast from Seth Godin

26:43 min | 11 months ago

Wheat and Taxes

"Somehow I'm not sure why I've become friends with four of the greatest bakers of our time. My Ruben Kathy Duma Abalone Pool Lane and Dan leader can turn wheat and other grains into something extraordinary but before we can talk about wheat. We need to talk about taxes. Hey it seth and this is a Kimbro. We'll be back in a second after this message from our sponsor high spinach it. You and I'm here to talk to you about how you can become a petrous storyteller. Storytelling is not an art reserve. The chosen few. It's a skill that you can learn just like the students have taken part in this story skills. Workshop have done actually. I had a story to tell that was really important for me but oh sir was going to be very important to people in the future. It's absolutely life changing for me to see stories everywhere and to see my own stories. I was surprised that the learning was as much IMA giving. As in the receiving we got to not only learn about starting telling we actually got to practice using stories in our everyday life. The biggest shift I've found is now my own stories and the stories that I really WanNa tell our bubbling to the surface. I can't stop seeing Ma'am whether you're just starting out or you're an experienced storyteller. This is a place where your stories will get better in a very short time. Guaranteed if you're ready to become a better storyteller. I hope you'll join us. Find out more at the stories. Gill'S WORKSHOP DOT COM like most people I had a pretty benign view of how civilization came to be people. Were tired of walking around all the time. They liked the idea of having a house and a yard. Maybe even a cat is a value and so they settle down once they settle down. They realized they could farm and farming felt way more reliable than picking berries or traveling around following animals and then once they settle down. I figured they had a pass the hat to create resources so they could do things like build roads or protect the village on close inspection though. I'm not sure this fairytale narrative really holds up. Maybe it all happened in a completely different way backwards in a reverse order. Lots OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT TAXES. But we don't usually talk about the history of Taxation Sir John Online. You're not going to find very much in the way of a definitive history. One reason for this is that taxation has been around forever or at least as far as we can find recorded history. The Chinese have been taxing people for more than five thousand years taxation figures heavily in the Old Testament mentioning both how Pharaoh took attacks on everything that was grown and how sacrifices were required at the temple. But how exactly did we end up with taxation? What is it and what is it four? And what does any of this have to with bread? The author James Scott has a theory. I'm going to take that theory and expand it a little bit knowing that while it makes sense and I think hold water. I have no proof at all. So here we go. Let's begin with this. For Time immemorial some people have tried to dominate others. Some people have been stronger or have used their will to bully others into doing what they need done. And it's not difficult to imagine that long before history some people took others into bondage that if you dominated someone so completely that that they became your indentured servant or your slave you could leverage your own effort that it's not hard to imagine measuring the of someone thousands of years ago in terms of how many slaves they had in the Bible there called slaves. They might be servants. They're probably slaves. So slavery became a small scale way for some humans to exert force over other ones profiting as they did but inevitably when human beings are involved. People want to scale things up but it's very difficult to build the infrastructure where you can actually control the work of dozens hundreds or thousands of people the way we see in the stories told about the Pharaoh and building of the pyramids however Scott argues if you can get people to stop being hunter gatherers to stop wandering to stop living in nomadic tribes and get them to settle down on a piece of land. Well then all you need to do is show up at their land just before harvest time and you can take the best of what they grew and leave them. The rest farmers have a hard time escaping because farmers can't bring their own grown crops with them. Scott's argument is that we ended up with wheat and other grain production and with livestock because the growing idea of government required it. That's the order. It all went in and so the idea of taxation as a taking in the French task tasking people to give their labor to support a power. That is over them goes way back and it's inexorably connected to the idea of wheat of grain of farming. Well let's fast forward a little bit. Because as states begin to grow the people who run states decide? They want to get bigger so. I'm not sure whether offense came first or defense. But let's assert it was defense. They're coming to get us. Jenga's CON Attila the Hun. Alexandra is a great. They're coming to get us. Let us raise funds from the people to defend our nation and so I- second sort of taxation kicks in this is the taxation of mutual defense and the Greeks famous for going on the offense and conquering other places had very specific rules in place to raise funds to pay for armies so they could go conquer other places taking slaves as they did taking the spoils of invasion as they did and then repaying the citizenry. Who funded it through their taxes now along the way all of this is happening without democracy without people speaking up because they have no power. Their land connects them to this place to this leader and when the tax man shows up armed and ready to take they really have no choice but to contribute but then industrialization kicks in one is tempted when the industrialized economy arrives to tax the wealthy but the wealthy have plenty of influence and so before the French Revolution. Salt was taxed. There is nothing you can tax. That is more aggressive than a tax on salt that the poorest people were paying the biggest part of their income on a tax on salt before the French Revolution. The typical working peasant was paying half his wages for bread. Salt was a requirement for life. A couple of bad years in a row which led to poor harvests led to an increase in the price of bread which led to peasants needing to pay eighty eight percent of what they were earning to pay for bread and salt. This definitely led to the French Revolution in the UK where industrialism started we see an income tax arise but the income tax in those days. One hundred and fifty years ago was pennies on the dollar. It was a smaller amount about the same time that all these shifts taxation are happening. That industrialism is showing up governments. Start investing in their cities. They put in parks and city. Planning they start investing in water systems. I think part of that is. They wanted a nice place to live. As the city's got more crowded part of it is a new sense. That maybe you're not going to be marauded by the next gangster who rolls into town but I think the biggest part of it is an understanding that the people have more power than they used to. Because they're not tied to the farm that taxing them is going to require at some level. Some cooperation on their part. Jen Comes World War One. The first industrial full scale war and it cost like it was an industrial war as a result the nations that were involved dramatically raised their taxes. And it may not surprise you that when the war was over. They weren't in any real hurry to lower their taxes to this day. The income tax in the United Kingdom has to be approved every single year by a new vote of parliament and it has succeeded in being revolted in every year since World War. One but again most of what was going on with this taxation was a sense of taking but then something shifts again and what shifts is that. The Nordic countries decide that they're going to increase taxes and dramatically increase services. The day will seek to treat the tax payer as a customer and they will provide the greatest safety net in the history of the industrialized world. That over time this high taxation high service mindset leads to countries where the grumbling about paying taxes isn't nearly what you would imagine. It is then the story continues because the space race the mission to put a man on the moon cost the US tax payer approximately four percent of the annual budget of the United States for a decade. Now that we were paying for the Vietnam War at the same time so tax rates continued to increase. Not because the people in government were lining their pockets. It wasn't a kleptocracy. Not then the people in government instead were seeking to create goods and services and experiences and progress on behalf of those. They were serving while this went on. We experimented with using taxes to change behavior so a tax on alcohol doesn't seem to have much of an effect states where they tax alcohol. I have no data but my hunches. They don't drink that much less. Taxes on gasoline and E. Tobias degrade business writer proposed the following. Let's put a four cent per gallon. Tax On gas and now auto insurance is included for everyone that by building auto insurance into the price of gas. You got a whole bunch of really extraordinary benefits. You don't have to pay the insurance companies. You don't have to PAY INSURANCE SALES REPS. You don't have to pay for settlements and the more you drive the more costs and if you want to save some money get a car that gets better mileage. All around a behavior change. That would be interesting to experiment with. It was to my knowledge never enacted but a tax on cigarettes. It was an all of the data shows us that when you raise the price of cigarettes fewer people start smoking because it work and so now here. We are hundreds of years after the tax on salt. Here we are in an era when progressive taxation seems about to go in the other direction the richest corporations and the richest people are coming perilously close to pay no taxes at all. Because not only. Don't they own a farm? Their money is everywhere and sew country after country. These huge institutions. These super wealthy people are extorting the countries where they live basically threatening that if you raise our taxes we will leave and go somewhere else and so all countries can do until they figure out how to work together to change. The culture of Taxation is tax people who aren't Amazon tax people who aren't Michael Bloomberg because these people are stuck they're stuck with the land own. They're stuck with the factory job that they have so now. We come to the fork in the road. Which is it's pretty clear that if we charge a fee for putting carbon into the world for taking carbon out of the ground and putting it into the world it will change behavior if windmills and solar panels ended up being dramatically cheaper that having a oil truck come to your house. People are going to switch if it turns out that the supply chain for whatever you're going to buy for whatever you're going to do is gonNA use a lot of carbon and you're going to have to pay for it. You'll probably seek to use the smart centers of the free market to switch to another option. It's not a carbon tax. What it is is a way to influence behavior and it short term byproduct is that it creates revenue that enables governments either provide more services or tax. Something else even less so I get why so. Many people are averse to taxation because three thousand years ago taxation was like slavery because taxation was simply a taking but now some taxpayers have more power than others now as farming is fading away now as gluten free diets threaten the very nature of what it is to heat a loaf of bread with no guilt. It's time to reconsider. What does it even mean for the community to pay for something? Taxation is an inherent part of our culture. And it's largely invisible but we've discovered that not only is taxation required but the taxation changes behavior. The question then is who is going to decide which behaviors we're going to change pass the croissant. Thanks for listening. We'll see next time. Thanks for listening. We'll be back in a second with answers to your questions from last time but first here's a message from our sponsor if you want to learn to ride a bicycle don't watch video. Don't read a book. Hey it's F. and I'm here to talk about the Akimbo workshops. These are interactive real time online workshops that work and were devoting twenty twenty two finding one that matches where you need to go. If you're ready to level up I hope you'll check out a kimball. Dot Com to find out about our proven effective workshops. Kyle Reading Seth. This is Stephen in Madison Wisconsin. Hi Set Alicia from Charleston here hyphen warm greetings from South Nick Ryan from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. They sent this is rex. Hi this is Roberta Perry. My question is and that completes my question as you know I do love to hear from you. I hope that if got a question or comment you'll submit it to visit Akimbo dot link. That's Aka I M B O Dot L. I. N. K. and Click the appropriate button. While you're there you can check out show notes and previous episodes before I get to the question that just came in. I want to respond to a blog. Post a Paul. Graham wrote five years ago program is one of the smartest people on the Internet co-founder of Y combinator and he wrote an essay that I disagree with. It's about bias. And what he said which was very clever. Is that one way we can figure out if an organization is using bias and how it is making decisions is to look at. It's results and what he highlighted was the fact that a venture capital firm for strong capital had published a report that said that first round capital funded a team that had a woman on it. It outperformed their standard dramatically sixty three percent. If I'm remembering properly they were proud of this because it pointed out that having a woman on a team might be correlated with better than expected performance. Paul said wait. This is proof of bias. His argument if the outcomes show that people who are under represented are overperforming. It means that you are making a mistake that you are biased in who you are picking because the people you're not picking would have raised your overall performance. Here's my problem with it. Let's consider law schools. I will go back. Nineteen seventy five in nineteen seventy five without a doubt women. Lawyers were dramatically underpaid. You may recall this. Sandra Day O'Connor when she graduated from Stanford Law School couldn't even get a job as a lawyer she had A. I get a job typing. But by nineteen seventy five women lawyers could get jobs. Were dramatically underpaid. I think the same is true to this day. That women are under-represented running the heads of firms. And if we did a hour by hour comparison I think we'd find that women are paid less than men in law but in nineteen seventy five definitely. Were so the question is does that mean that law schools should accept fewer women because after all they don't outperform when they get done going to law school. I think bias has a time shift problem and the time shift is this that it may very well be that in any moment when a venture capital firm or law. School makes decisions about who they're going to pick the people that they are not picking will underperform after they're done but I'm not sure that's the only job of venture capital firm. I don't think their only job is to pick the people who are going to win tomorrow because they have an obligation to the culture to the community to the market where they work and if they are going to reinforce the prejudice biased. It's happening downstream from them. It will never get better. And so the law school's picked up the gauntlet and starting in the seventies and eighties. Actively worked to make sure more women were being trained at the top law schools. Because you know what happens when you do that you get more highly trained women lawyers and what happens when you do that is then. The market wakes up and starts to narrow the gap between what they're paid and what they should be paid so no. I don't think we can look in the rear view mirror and just decide that. That's all bias involves high seth. This is Lisa from Lafayette Indiana. I've been listening to your podcasts. For a while and really enjoy it and currently a participant in the creatives workshop. I've got a general question for you. I often hear you refer to the smallest viable audience for our work. And I'm wondering what is a metric for figuring that out? Is it a simple cost analysis so a mathematical equation? Or what else goes into figuring? That audience is for myself. Thanks thank you for giving me a chance to clarify about small fiber audience. This is something that I go into indepth in my book. This is marketing and marketing seminar. But here we go to key elements the first one is the idea of audience what it means to have an audience. Is that when you were inventing? What you invent. It cannot be for everyone just a simple example if you write books there's a whole bunch of people on Earth who don't speak the language you're writing your book and it's not for them if you write mysteries their whole bunch of people in the world who don't want to read a mystery. It's not for them. Who is it for the audience? You seek to serve the more precise you can be the more specific you can be the more likely it is. You'll find true fans it's our idiosyncrasy. Our willingness to be peculiar that enables us to even have a fan because of all were making something generic for everyone. No one will care enough to be a fan so it begins by being specific and then the question is what do I mean by viable. What I mean is simple. If you're a soloist. You don't need to make ten million dollars a year you might want to. But you certainly don't need to weigh lesson that would be sufficient as Kevin. Kelly pointed out with one thousand true fans. If you've got a thousand people paying you one hundred dollars a year because they love your stuff and they want more of it. You're done that's enough. You're now a professional but most people who seek to be in the marketplace. Don't say there's only a thousand people I need to delight. They have this amorphous. Everyone those are the key pieces getting clear in your head about what it means to be specific and building organization. That's the right size to match. How big specific is because if you succeed and I'll use starbucks as an example what Howard Schultz came back from Italy and decided to make bitter coffee. That most people didn't like he made a good decision. 'cause most people weren't the goal most people can go to Dunkin. He needed enough people and once he had enough people. Those people told the others once enough people were telling enough people. He could invest in the building itself. The third place to place. That was fun to go to. He could invest in other things to broaden what they stood for but from the beginning. It was about being specific. Not being a wandering generality so there you go thanks for listening. Hope that helped. We'll see you next time. I just don't think it's possible or probable in today's world to distinguish yourself as an educational institution whereas success seeker at the level of information gathering or information distribution. I mean this is the information age and you can get a great book a great essay. A great idea anywhere. None of us can do that better than the Internet right There is no great thought leader. Who can out think the Internet like? We have data what all NBA gets right. Is it puts you in a context where you're part of a community that says yeah? Yeah yeah that's good. You got access to ideas. You've got access to information that's awesome but when you're gonNA show up when you gonNA face that blank page when you're GONNA face the possibilities within you when you gotTA FACE THOSE FEARS. I'm not GonNa let you gotTa show one asked the hardest part and it sounds simple. It sounds very commonsensical. But it's the number one reason why we don't write that book. It's the number one reason why we don't ask that question. It's not because we don't know where we don't have the information. We don't have an environment and we don't have a support network that makes it feel like showing up as possible for me not just possible for the success stories out there but I consider the MBA more than three thousand alumni in seventy four countries around the world find out more at Ault MBA DOT com.

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567: Breaking down Disneys BLANK CHECK!

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567: Breaking down Disneys BLANK CHECK!

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Now it's its own it's like you can see from from east to west and before the hat was just doing so much the talk that they just kind of a you know the side now the now the now the hairs main course does that make sense yell do the hair. The hair is now the main character in the movie. You take away a baked potato from steak. The steak is he's just more more parent all right again. You can edit this out no never. I didn't expect compliments. Look i'm a big fan of your hair. And i'm a big fan of the movie blank. Check how big of a fan are you. Well you watch it. This morning i saw hit you up. And i said i wanna come on the show because i just i don't get to talk movies enough and i and i was realizing that seeing clip of of the show and i was like and i'm like there's a i just have an opinion about every movie i can wish i you know i think most people do part of why you watch him to to feel somewhere to be angry of something or to talk about something you don't think about or i like to watch a movie and place it in my reality if i'm going to infinity war v. I'm like yeah this. Oh i'm there what would i. What is happened. What i do if i was there if i was ironman Like when i saw that. Movie wonder with owen wilson julia roberts and this kid who had like a fucked up face right and And he he got like just tease so hard. And then on wilson's like it's fine. You're going to be fine. You know just wear space helmet like. They gave a helmet so that he could fucked up all the trailer for this due dates at tear jerker and i was on a flight like five or six drinks in and just just bawling dude climbing stores gave you want another. Joe were you okay and i was like paces kids so many medium and his dad's is only pow and even his dad being like. Maybe you should fix your face got you say that. But it was it. Just got very real lucky gives bush's you don't be afraid of it and And then it just made me start talking and thinking about school and teasing how kids are just and it was like. That was one piece of conversation. Post movie yeah. That's just cool about movies. That are That you feel a distant from like blackjack and that movie. I think for all kids. I think i'm thirty eight. Your i'm thirty so the nineties kit like this. You were how old when this movie came out. Ford okay so. I was for the simple to do at home so i was twelve. Yeah was this was for you. This is was for you. I saw it but they made it for you for me man. They made for me because kids at twelve. And i believe this kid was i about twelve right. I thought i thought sorta. I welcome back that derek adam guest the age of ten whiteboards blue sponsored by blue to it He he looks. He's tiny so and then he looks young but again he developed so much swagger well. The conversation is crazy. It starts with him already. Talk about savings. He does the whole movie he keeps saying. I don't have enough money right. He's ten state money on having a penny he's ten and he's you know he's not the most confident kid to start off with getting. Obviously they need needed the film to grow and have you root for the kid. Yeah so he was so undersized an underdog and and just dad was pushing too hard right. The first thing that happens is his older brothers steal his savings. Oh yeah it starts with a steelers savings. And he goes dead and he goes well. When i was younger age. I had a business already bank account and that would never happen. It would be a little bit with my brothers took my piggy bank and then And then he's like faulk then. Dad walks out and next morning at breakfast gets a check from grandma. But she's such a fucking idiot blank. She's just like doesn't get you get it anymore. And she's and she leaves a blank and it sets the whole movie up being like oh. This is a precursor to something. Bigger and dad explains the concept of what he could do like. He's like basics explains fraud because he's like. Oh we're going to write eleven dollars but you know if you wanted to you pretty much. Would you put pressure thousand dollars. Which i love that amount to because as a kid ten. Twelve whatever yeah thousand dollars is a lot day. Oh your grandma just forgot to how much it was four but she she signed it at the bottom. See it's Shank it's i mean that's more and you don't even and that was also letting us know that preston as you know tiny toon adventures as he is had enough wherewithal to be like a thousand dollars is like i don't feel too bad about it but like because i know i can do ten and that would suck for fifty years. That's you're going to toys 'r us you're getting almost an aisles worth of stuff toys r. us with with ten grand easy even hitting the whole the whole i'll ten grand but he goes a thousand just to be like grandma won't no i won't feel too bad you'll get caught up in holidays. How much did you get last year. One thousand ten dollars break. What about inflation thousand bucks but if it was like ten thousand for grandma everyone would be like tude what what. And that's like a conversation starter and a family relationship ender right because that's a lot more thousand is just didn't eat us chief. She was petting her macaroni this morning and by the way. I can't wait to get to that age. When i could just do that. And no one judges you just fucking do whatever you want you dany. And so and so. Yes so so then. So then. he's just. He's pissed ten times stuck. Doing i was ten ten years. I did what my grandma blank check. 'cause she's fucking forgot how to do stuff and And i i wrote down ten cast it. How much does she have. Her savings like eighty. She's like how old is she. Eighty five no all right like aghast was doing. What does anyone else in the family. Not just you. But i'm not in your family i know over. It was started off where you're rooting for our guy. You are one so then. The dad goes a thousand dollars. Fuck that knows about eleven. that's safe respect respectful and it's nineteen ninety. Four and eleven dollars. Still get you something from grandma today. What a rip off check for nothing. You're going nuts. you're getting candy. Candy soda getting three decent. Cy can't di- did boy. That is tough. Perry awards through these. I can't wound Short you get a decent sized candy like three of them and then like a a big a big something y- to drink with eleven bucks and by the way this would not be the video for seven eleven ever for a commercial damn. That's a big word man. Eleven bucks this place again. You plug in three large-sized kanga three sides guys and a big seller built blank. Check is a movie. I think right out of the gate you go. Oh we're going to go on an adventure. Yeah they let you know they let you know. This kid is going to experience some wild shit. You've never seen a kid experience in the movies before that is true. Yeah i've never seen it again. Little big league. That kid inherits the baseball team from his grandpa. But that's not this. That's not and then. Richie richardson this. Because he's born rich already like it's the first kardashian. We'll see a rich kid live now. Are we know you can also that story's never fun because that kids never like getting a fucking waterslide out of his bed and that was what stuck out with me in the trailer. I remember him escaping him him being like yes. He escaped them in the park and the first time when they were chasing him. Yes that after layup bein. Driving right there. And then when he hit a tone lok shot up the the tone loc dude coming in hot and ace ventura coming in even hotter super in blank checks. The bad guy chasing gypped. The is the funny relief. Bad guy and he's like getting in that water. It's like all right. So he's like he's like he's like chasing me on the puck is what do you think i am back. Stallions jaguars some balancing and devlin. The night like time. Go go to me. Following bloodhound trackers. Uc listen to me. And then he gets a tone looks funny and he doing. I think you saw that was the first thing. And then he got hit to unlock hitting the balls with the baseball and the in the batting cage. Yeah that was in the trailer and in the waterside thing and guess what to this day. I'm not joking when i get to a point to where i really doing. Well like frank caliendo three houses. Well yeah it's pretty good and well. It's well i'm one of the than i have the finances and the capabilities to put a water slide out of a bedroom into a pool. And i'm doing it and i can't wait and it's because of blank check and if i had a vision board or if i meditated at meditate or vision on both those things also seems so fucking fun. I the vision in my head of you seventy-five accidentally and just that's how you drown out way. I i thought that was gonna was where it was headed emotionally man. I just can't wait to see what seventy five just grabbing life by the ball jumping into that slide and there's going for improving to yourself that even as you've got old even as your bones start to crinkle and crank when you woke up you still add the mental wherewithal to jump into that tube. Slide into your morning. No you were like you do backwards while brushing your teeth and just down. You go backwards. You ever gone down backwards and all the trips. How even more terrified and by the way backwards waterside is already terrified. Oh my god you're seventy five and you didn't need to get drown and seventy five in your own bedroom waterslide. A pretty funny eulogy or fucking you know. In the paper guide drowns from going back bedroom watterson watching the movie bladder watching after bucking after fifty years of fantasizing about bedroom waterslide connector. I get so he gets subway. Subway sandwich franchise owner. Because that's what we'll be at seventy five. Yeah i'll have quit comedy at seventy four seventy five when the jenga board tells me. I'm gonna die blink check simulator. Then i'll go. I got one more year left. Time to buy a couple of subway franchises in malibu. Just retire So so you're give me the of. I'm sorry four-year-old right. Yep was it the first time you saw or that. When i saw when i was like five six for sure. Can i saw it again. A bunch of times you to see it through life. where where are you currently with. Just your you know 'cause you were pumped. When i said i wanna do that one. Yes so bad that it would have meant some already. Oh yeah what what is that. I did remember because you brought it up to you. Were like hey. Isn't there older woman that like the funds getting. I'm like yes. I remember that vividly. You'll the first time the woman walks in the movie. They slow mo shatter and it's a little boys he sees her and they slow mo and it's just zoom in on her legs. Yeah and you're like a lot of like provocative leg shots felt very sexualize for a disney film. Critics never seen it like that but this was already different. It was different. It was disney different. Which should be a hashtag for disney. Plus i they separate. It doesn't come with disney plus different. It's fucking shit like this where the stories a little a little like they just. They didn't miss they just they. Just bless you. They just they just they just a couple they they let a couple of things slide or maybe it was like we're not going to give as many checks to the final product on this as we would disney ranking you like. We can't whatever but but yeah. They really made her. It was just more sex in disney came. Yeah i i get. This is also. This is fine. I get the little boy singer and he sees the legs and he's and he's you yeah of course as the movie goes and it starts coming back. He'd be reciprocated when she's looking at him and she's like you know. Yeah okay. yeah he's. He's funny makes her laugh. Yeah he makes her laugh and she's like into it. They just started. He was like how much. I need to start an account. Right is that his. I start account and two hundred bucks. And he's like. I'll be back and she's like okay. This guy coming in whenever you're ready please come back and see me okay. Name shay stanley asked for me. Thanks provide. i'll see you next time. I hope it's not in a million years. I got some troubles at home. There's ten trying to flag down here for it against trump sank because she was too interested too soon wages. I was like what happened today. What kind of fight did you get in this morning. You're like any any any attention do you kid. And it was and he was just the fact that came in to open an account through her off from his size and physical stature. She was just so impressed by the fact that he wanted to make something of himself. Maybe that's the fight seattle. Now that guy is maybe like alan and she's like you still have a fucking checking account. Stop it you. Don't even have a fucking checking account allen you talk you hey man. He did not negative disney fug. It disney's day off day off. That's where you can cuss But yeah so so she. She just was real interested in that. It didn't throw me off until that played a role later in the film. But yeah but that also You know unnecessary the undercover part. I really dug so he had to get that in there and it's got to be someone that gets. The kids attention befriend him and stu undercover work and it could have been henry to henry. The limo driver comedian. i pair. i look that up. I was curious. I think he's doing. He's doing jokes his bit and we should find the audio and put it in here. 'cause his run honestly he chris. Farley could've played this guy and murdered it but obviously tommy boy was ninety four honestly and so They probably want to lead in that. You know and like it was a sandler for sure would have been in it but but That was big. You know he's a movie star at that point. Yeah but that guy crushed it and it was such a fun part and he was the right voice and earnestness ever felt creeped out by this guy's ever being friends with kid and when he does leave him for a second like the kids heartbroken because he goes to get like ice cream he is you. He feels bam. You're like there are moments in this word. Wow okay yeah. I'm with it. And that guy was great but that that run that he had about telling him when he takes her out to dinner to impress her and he's telling us like. Oh yeah you gotta put liners in your coat pocket. Okay then grab some of the sound. Hey they say it's all you can eat. They didn't say here is just like it's all you can eat so you put in your pockets. Boom boom you got food for later. I mean this guy like went off on a really weird rent to the kid that was so funny and indicative of his personality. Yeah it was just funny you know if you really wanna go upscale at all you can eat salad bar. Women lump that hake some with ya line. You pockets with plastic bags. Put the food in there because it doesn't say all you can eat here to say here on the side. I don't think so. He takes mac for later on snack. Aroo women love that and also the kid'll was such a just love this guy that he was just like all right. Yeah i'm probably not gonna still south on this date. But i hear what you're saying like as far as a different way of doing things maybe also my age. Maybe it was funny goof as a kid. But i'm actually trying to fuck just steals lettuce on the first on my first attempt but he was great right oh he was phenomenal. I thought he kind of carried the movie a little. What else has he been in. You said he looked up some stuff. I i just look the comic did not look. I was like this guy has also all of this is going on. and there's a villain there's a villain. Yeah there's a villain who escapes from the movie starts. Yeah guys running outside prison walls of it's raining it's like. I almost forgot watching. I was like i clicked the wrong button. Got not watching blink. Shushing to star already stopped part. Yeah yeah and that. That was a lot but then that set the scene of of why the guy ran from the cops yes when he villain who some criminal of some sort hits our lead character fast and that's the next thing happens and impressed in goes down guy ruins bike. This shithead kid. That preston went to his birthday party but couldn't get on the big rides because he was like one token short. Every kid got fifty dollars. The tokens or twenty five and preston gave at six. Am for six tokens and so couldn't do shit except stand on the on the pier with an ice cream cone and get drenched. Step-by-step opening theme style. Oh fucking ice creams. Gone to open a big. That's what he can't he can't get. He's not told enough to ask how we ended up in this situation. He's in. it was sad montage and so now he's With that kid sees pressing hit. And he's like talking shit but while you got hit movie you get for fucking losing your ice cream. My birthday pro. Yeah so then that guy who the criminal hits them met you want for the bike thousand. I'm not talking to you. Bye kid going to walk away cute figuring we'll discuss it. Would i can go. And that's interesting and then he pulls out the checkbook. And i remember thinking back later in life like do people always sign the check. I i never have. Who has that. I i always go. I think the pro who it's too i yep amount. Yeah then then writing them out and start to finish so that was already weird but not but then you know i guess not on A normal right. Like i'm sure people i mean enough to have the movie carried on it like it's not so crazy to your name. I right not at all yeah. This was a little quick gets in his room. And and has the check and goes upstairs. And i think his dad said something. Like with a fucker you. Where have you been like bike hit. The dad goes all the day goes off it. Goes you let your bike get. Hit fucking way you look for cars. You're out in the world cars out there goes you know you're paying for it right. You're paying for it. And he was like it wasn't my fault and he goes well. This clearly is a display of how you treat your personal belongings. He goes off on like hit. That guy backed into me. You were in his way just like you're in my way every. Turn this god damn house. Living in this stand standing there average kid wants to be like well. Why am i broke. Dash you fucking do. I know i was waiting for it because he you again now. You're rooting for him. He's getting beat up In life bike gets taken out from under him birthday party. You know what a shitty experience Is that rolling still you. yeah okay. good And he goes You know he goes. You don't fuck this preston goes fuck this. I'm getting it at home in the world. You know i got no friends. Yep it really would have been. I give it took a turn and he like know went to the streets and was like starting to kind of go crazy. You know just like that's not a nine year old and she's like yeah. Could you get me long opening that goddamn account the first united your fucking fed. She's like whoa resin. You'll get your dog down. Yeah so he He on that way because he gets on his computer and he already is. Steve jobs he do any forges will. How quickly did he come up with the amount. That's what was crazy. He or the idea he literally like this. I sat down being like. Oh yeah. I got this check and held up like this. And here's here's what it should have been. Here's what you got you got. He sits down holds a checkup and goes blank. Here already right sitting here a blank check blank. Check million dollars. Here's what should have been. Charlie bucket finding the golden ticket. I wrote that down did you. Yes well you got a milk. That moments zooming charlie book thing was over his healed of his is only as is were showing and he saw and then he would like up. It was like in front of his face and people are grabbing. And you're gonna lose this lowly. Open the chocolate bar and you saw the first corner of the ticket. He should have been like this. That no new smile. This is among you know saying. And also he doesn't say a million dollar he he he types it. So that's right super slow. Yeah that's what it should have been. Even that was that was that was fine. But you just got to a real quick. I wanted. I wanted to take my time with that. Yeah that's all the things that changed that meet. Yeah yeah so. Then he gets the amount and he hands her the check right in they. Just send 'em right upstairs. There's they're like you know what they go they go. Oh really. you're going to go talk to herman boss and the woman was he was just like go to beat him in another kid with a million dollar check. You're like oh here. We don't want to say about our bank. We keep letting these kids. Gashing checks cut out of vitamin still. Have a job so he come out and and and he what he say he goes. Either juice he goes. Are you the kids. Like yeah like. He didn't even know also. The bankers are bagai. He he's supposed to hold a million dollars for the gas and juices the name of tone. Lo who's the money was supposed to be coming to says like are. Do you like juice. No no something. Like are you the juice i like it. I like and that's what it is. So then he thought but he said it's so straight faced and so like this could be like my funny way of telling you i am juice juice their style. That's biedermann picked up on right to not be like man. Let me just double check. Ar am i giving you this like. Who are you the guy. How about one follow up. I mean holy shit billion dollars. He's just like are you juice in the kids like apples. Good oranges arguably better. He's like cool. That checks out. Here's a million cash from a guy that might fucking murder me. This were you also told it was a six five black dude and not a four two white boy. Weren't you told anything about the look for this guy. Even say like he's a man. say that. Say that and guess what deductive reasoning. What's in front of me. Not man who supposed to give me money. Men guy kid hit the streets but also with no clues at all no collusion without you know. Follow follow area. I'm gonna call them. Don't like the way you said. Gee so now he runs out and he passes of course they do. The classic he bumps into a total. Looks like checking out like booty out of a door and it was just so classic tone low and so classic ninety s move. Just like him going. Oh go well. He was a girl. Look at you that with that. Look at that. 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That's interesting has the wherewithal to to grab to grab the for fifty grand cash just which i love this kid. Most kids a million dollars is a lot but as we heard a few times a million dollars really quickly and i say i spend that shit and so he And so he goes he goes right home with the castle address and again this is my my point was kids. Don't fuck around like as much as it seems overwhelming. Yup like look how quickly he got the check cashed it. I've fucking like we're starting your life changes now. Yes he's like. Castle start with data moving friday bidding being with the criminal bidding more wins. Yeah drops three hundred k. I didn't start adding it up because he drops through in a k. On the house of all was one seventy right now cash. I walk away. You take leader right now. Ask the box. Eighty s watch closing one ninety dollars. Cops go back okay five. Wow for the candies for the cat for a castle on the street on the same street of his parents. Yeah just see. I think we never figured out. But i think it was like down the street like when he gets everything in. Yeah is dad comes out like hey. Who's moving in. Yes go go. Kart track racing blow up. Sumo fighters fully pump jump house. At all times it was never not pumped thula bungee jumps launch. Trump's had full bungee jumpers it arcade. He's read the fully decked scarface office with all the thirty two hundred that that was a lot but that was also the right. Trust the plane. Anybody like you couldn't trust your parents. you know. so now. you're in a house by herself with a vulcan. You know even the even your limo driver. Who's your buddy like. He might just just fucking smother you with a pillow can do that and you have to look at them. Always letting them know like. I know you could do that. But i got you got you. I'm going to give me pizzas and ice cream water slides and fucking sumo suit bouncy house to And he was all for the batting cage the batting cage. The virtual reality with the Already hadn't even seen yet in life. It was just it all looked right. Yeah and painted the world enough of like a kid living living the dream everything he had everything. I mean everything you would. Because that is all the things i would get Full batting cage the fucking the sumo wrestling ring. Yes it was all the stuff that again. You stuff that you don't remember seeing on. Tv kids absorb those toy commercials at that time so hard and so there was things in that house that he was doing to see him doing it. The virtual reality thing. I've never seen that. Advertisers of toy was attainable. To me as a kid sumo stuff even on like. I'm never going to get to one of those. That just looks so expensive. And that's not a toy that your mom and for me personally in single mom thanks for bringing it up. Get over it she. There's no way if i saw fucking waterslide that i could ever be like mom and that's also ninety five percent koita waterside either my bedroom into the pool that we don't have but you'll building because we can get you maybe know what fucking nuts but but so to see things again like you don't even see advertised and then you saw him doing it. It was like batting cage. That was so cool to me. Because i was baseball's like my favorite sport of that time and and men so now he's living the dream living the dream that nothing can go wrong you think nothing and then he goes and he sees the girl. Shay yeah and you know he. He asked her out on a date. Like hey do you. Are you free tonight like goes. Are you free at eight. And she's like yeah. Yeah that's it. She didn't just like a meeting with the park or something. Don't know they go to. Yeah lowry's are like some fucking. Benny hana's first the opening a benny honner like chicago. It was a nice. she was dolled. She was dressed up to fuck. Fuck brad pitt. Thank you and this kid was was came. Ready gated goes at dinner with their man. And then i remember they go to the fancy dinner tannery where i used little compliments of the chef. Go to the fancy dinner. And then that's when she starts going to groom about mcintosh mcintosh and he's like. I don't really wanna talk about that. And he's like he's like the titanic. You wanna on a real date. And then they go to the park and she's making her yo. This ten year old is making her belly. She's she can. I know they were having such a fun movie. Montage of just like wow. Things are escalating. That should have been the song like things are escalating did burgers at the park. Let's run through the water fountains get. You didn't wear a bra. you're you did. He's abandoning the dancing. Run through the water. People are also. There's other adults with look. Nothing economy am what do i do that. And so and so end of that he also buys. Her jewelry are crazy. Here's the thing. Was she playing him. Because then you go. She's trying to adopt trying to get to macintosh. She's a fed. She's filling agent. But i had a tough time. Not blurring the line for her between work and pleasure. Shoes not doing. I think she really was undercover and really cared about cracking macintosh. Yeah you know because at the end of the movie. Whatever i'm not gonna skip ahead but she you you're like oh you're in it to win it the whole time. But she's belly laughing. He goes the way when he fell to the ground and pulled the entire dinner onto his lap and was covered in lobster through lobster that landed in some ladies boobs Hilarious rates were a lot of those moments. Were so throwaways but me. Big big hits basit big. It's an that was an unexpected fucking homerun. Like truly like just he's covered in lobster. You get all man. This is not going to just he. Just he just throws a quick lobster his woman riding the boobies funny as a kid. You're seeing that's so funny. And then he looks and goes yeah. Do want to go on a real date. She goes yeah he goes. Do you wanna get hamburgers. And the look that she gives the smile she delivers. When she's like. I love hamburger was literally like he said to. You wanna go on a private jet to a private island where you can do whatever i will take care of you for the rest of your life but you got to do something to me on the plane and she was like i love private planes. Would you think i was gonna burgers. I love hamburger. She was just too. i don't know he was. He was very charming. He was he was all about it. She was like yeah he was also taking control fell down had lobster on his fucking fears fucked cheeseburger. Alone seems like dude did you. And that is funny. It's like fuck that happened to. They have adult with another you. You make fun of yourself sub defecating deprecating and then and then to make a move immediately bounce being fucking you know decisive like that is appealing to most people that is true. you know. forget the age. yes so. that's what i think again trying to dissect y suv just so onboard. And why thought she wasn't just saying. I want to go get some burgers because of the job i think that's when she wanted burgers burgers and she goes. I love a man that takes control and says let's fuck the lobster. Let's get burgers as a size. Seven fee la. Yeah so they're eating burgers in the park found. It's durable the bad guys come magazine. They run he goes he goes oh because he sees them i. He's like oh like let's let's run and she's like yeah she's like. Yeah let's run and may run in diamond limo. Yeah there were people i know. She didn't even yeah. I think she's a so lost in love and she hops in a limo. Did henry anything funny. I'm trying to remember. Did you have like a quick joke of like. Hey sorry guys. I've a bunch roland back window. But there's a pizza bag. I think we'll fifteen minutes traffic. I hope nobody got in a car accident late you know. How old are you back. There was a madman on my phone. But i go back up. I came outside. And that's tonight show. The the i thirty years older than time. Fuck me man turned the other g. I'm getting waigel wait. I'm not getting paid fucking lonely and alone rather than show the millionaire aid fucking go home to my kids all right Yeah he's a real like. Hey oh man. That's amazing all right so then so then Now he's in love and now he's fully love and that's when his brothers go. Hey man you know she's a fucking gold diggers right. Like i still have an tom adjusting to santa. Not being a real thing. She's a gold digger. Man she just wants macintoshes money. Now you're telling me that women can chase jeff for stuff other than your fucking kind thoughts and your generosity and so That that rattles cage for sure your message because he's like damn issue money they're like she wants mcintosh mcintosh d like why would you want wanna nerdy kid who what does. It can't do his homework or do his came to his own homework or can't like start. His own savings broke. Yeah broke Throwing shade and so then he He's like i gotta throw a big birthday party for market. No now people are. The bad guys have a couple of park rendezvous. Gets out of that. Then then you know it's been six days which we find out later from the bag is being there and then it's like all right now how he's got a whole staff and planning a birthday party because she wants to meet macintosh. Yes i think this was. This was his ploy to have a really special hang out and like i don't know what maybe this was the night. Maybe maybe maybe like she realizes he isn't real. It won't matter. How did he get pressured to throw the macintosh birthday party. Was it because it was that. His dad members dad was like i. If you're going to keep working with this. I got to meet him so he was like how i fucking. Oh this up right. Yeah was he gonna pretend to be macintosh because the day it comes in was he gonna pretend or just like you couldn't be there at his own party. Yup dad comes to that He also throws it. Because we're shea. I want to see shay. I heard you know. I'm assuming she's wearing an outfit. That i can only see on fucking you know broken channels you know and saw that live in the flesh and henry's walking around being like it's fine so be here then he's like a wait that's her and he's turned running because that's not hard but so be it and preston was so pissed at that point you don't you ever fuck do the major look on me. Fuck house make me make me look and so he fucking healthcare trying to go eight fifteen and no one's drinking champagne flowing actually during a couple of shots this guy the server pouring champagne people literally just holding up their glasses like this and he was like dumping like missing their glasses. Fucking no wait a minute. Wanna see the fucking mister mcintosh. Become your plus one. I thought it was a guest list. I was coming back from another party. Hold onto the valet got out and walked in fucking they. It was crazy party and so The woman who threw the party comes to collect cash grain. That's what you want any finds out. He has three hundred bucks left. The i remember that. And that's what his dad out of a million and a million and that was crazy 'cause he pulled up on his giant. Tv screen minority report. Style just fucking and again that type of security system did he was. Just it was it was it was that was also cool because i imagine playing video games on something like that or whatever and he sees all the purchase and house was three hundred grand and then it was like sky fly bullshit popcorn machine whatever cars and it was just more money than hundred dollars left. And that's when the dad comes in transaction not possible insufficient pods her balance three hundred. Thirty two dollars seventeen cents. The dad comes and that's the first time the day is like hey my son might be a broke loser but yeah can you let them off early tonight. Yeah i miss him. It's birthday to see him and he goes and then he'd just low and then and then he kind of looks around and pressing the in the chair and and he's like doesn't know if he wants to say anything and let his dad know that it's him there and he goes The dagoes launched in like very unprovoked. Just like like you see see pressing. Can you send them home early. It's it's his birthday nine know. I haven't been the best i know. Look i know if you see. It's his birthday and be cool. If could come early tonight. Look i push him hard. I push the kid. I'm a pussy dan. I see a lot of him in me. And i'm dick. I'm a fucking asshole. Always paid enough attention. I kids pushed into a hard maybe especially preston. I guess. I expect more from him. He reminds me of myself. That couldn't wait to grow up. I because i didn't want preston autumn. My wife told me she was pregnant. I said two's enough. I fucking thought. I pulled out yada yada yada. I got a kid so look it's fucking birthday. He's been a bitch is fucking shattered. His bike said has got hit by a car. I was like you're not that lucky. My son i said you're not that lucky. That's lucky kids. Shit six token bitch. I call him a token bitch. 'cause that's all i gave him money for. He couldn't do the fun log. Ride kid who hosted the party so here. I am poor heart out to mister mcintosh a guy. Frankly i don't think really exists. But i'm going along with it because hey what else am i gonna do. Go back to my fucking son and tell them. Hey the world's gonna turn it turn around for you anyway point being. Send them home if you can. If he's not here if he's out drinking at least he's fucking making something of the night also. I was laid off recently. So as you are looking for more on this undercover project project. god he had some fucking first attempt or knows like I- secrets he was also a failed businessman. Yeah when he was like a lot him. I mean yeah that that could that should have come out more of him just being like i fucking look. I invested a lot of money and this this company. It was like a weird. I don't know what it was exactly like. They made jams but then they like sold crack by bennie slots. Sometimes the stop. Stop the games fun to come over. Another captain and coke mr lillard. I'm like that's not my name. But i'm living a different life out here. This is reno reno baby anything's possible and they tell you that when you check in and you buy it because here in reno and your wife's not there yet and so so now he's like Preston sitting there and he's choking up easy a nice crime. He's he's and i'm not getting real choked up yet but i'm starting to that now disney's like hey ever seen a father son. Relationship gets mended up-close. We'll take a look at this because now preston chases after his dad dad dad just when he announces to everyone that macintoshes him more or less. There is no macintosh. Dad's gone chased him down the street. I think he said father when he was in the street. Yeah he's fantastic running after two causing pilot pop. Yeah papa yeah and then everyone about. You doesn't because it goes back to the party and shea season him and she's like hey president up and he's like he's he goes once you take your necklace and fucking. Get out like yeah. He came in hot shot. Who's just like pay me. You come looking for macintosh in my house. He's not even real pumped up that his fucking crazy. You are crazy you like a guy. That's fucking oh man so she. She's a little confused. You could be in danger okay. He goes back in the party. Woman's looking for the he can't afford it and then they just party shuts down. He tells everyone macintosh here. Just going everybody which everyone having this huge party. Anything macintoshes in here. And everybody's like oh well fuck this part is you know him. Yeah commodities a real. You don't be upset man. it is fucking castle. Can we talk about free food and drink for free for at least an hour. What is this and So parties over everything get shut down the bag. I show up pag. I show ours my money where my money fucking money spent. And then they're like six million in six days. How and it's like. You just walked in the house. Yeah you saw the party al batting cages on cheap. It's the nineties but nobody has a bad engage plugging. This doesn't toys baby his gucci. Fucking some weird company that makes it to go through. You know. I got this from the fucking mets when you. My dad went to high school with mike. Piazza so then. So then they They start chasing around the house and he home alone he. Oh malone's them batting cages but the one guy because he just all he did was put the virtual reality thing on tone local. He was like when i was on. Biedermann beat me. And he's like this is freaked out world. Hey he couldn't separate you could just take it off was like what's happening and take a beat hosted back over your head. You're still here Not in this. Two dimensional graphic find and then the main bad guy slips down the water slide yup in the chase pursuit and pressing comes up to him and asks if he's okay which i didn't think was. I never get that in any movie. It's like like in scream or any killer movie like people like they hear a noise and they go towards the room. Like hello james. James has been out of town for a week. But did you come back early for some reason and not not called. No no no. Just don't shake that's a weird thing. Just leave it alone so him to go back to the bag. I'd be like are you. Okay it's like. I get that for the sake of like needing to just keep it going for one more because any comes up and goes and fucking grabbed him Children's to kill him kill him. And then goes i. Gotcha now. I got gotcha. They come down they come russian and they come in all of the feds come in she. Yeah she's like fbi peterman's like you're fired as from this bank. As of now she goes actually fired from this bank as now. He's proud she comes in he didn't. He was kind of a different about her being the feds i. He didn't bother him no. I think he was just like okay. Glad you save the day. She's a rat. Like using punch yasser fucking but that doesn't mean that she could she could still be enemy. Yeah she's a cop. I mean we got those burgers burgers with a cop dope. This is cool like being in the fbi cooler than working at a bank. Yeah and and To precedent for sure and so so then they all are taking a beat and the bag is still trying to fuck in the. I'm not gonna cheat it and lose. He says i mean he's just he's like. How can i get out of this. And i loved about this bad guy. Classic bad guy. it wasn't overtones over. Yeah and he still was just like they're like the group coming downtown. All you guys remember. We're taking you. oh okay. So then he goes who who's back and he goes. I'll get out of this. I'm matching ta. And they all were like your macintosh and then even yup yup and it'd be impressed. That's and then the kuhlman we've got you on thirty accounts of child pornography and just fucking loitering charge. You know. Macintosh your macintosh. I mcintosh and i watch my property. Now he's macintosh. You sure i'm macintosh. Please tell us guys you no problem. Mcintosh and big mama macintosh be hanging out brother. You know okay the mister mcintosh you're under arrest for fraud money laundering and grand theft. What are you talking about bringing peterman till you're listening betting and so he's fucked and they cut them the tournament down there like we're taking you to beat them in and then they'll get along and he was like an even even you don't do justice thomas some carry Yeah and so. Then they get on the porch and this is This movie is the clip. I posted to this was bonkers on the porch. And they're just you know sitting there and clapping and in the movie shot where all you see all the sirens and like the key in. Die hard or the movie where it's like. Yeah let's have a one on one while this is going on yup yup. It's just it's a really beautiful thing to to to get you know to end the night in front of all the chaos. You would think getting the car. Go home put him to salisbury steak. Kinda fucking quite at home and get away from the chaos. It'd be like fuck ten-year-old. Jesus that was really just leave by the way irish. Could that party. You've got the guys get out of there. You'll have to talk to this. What are you going to say like what are you gonna. You don't have to talk to this kid like you did your job to be pen pals with them. Yeah go home and think about like man. I was really almost toes. Had a good time those berg a great time. But now but i but she stuck around. Because i'm gonna just try to let them build the confidence. Maybe yeah so that he'll do it to somebody else and so right like you're not gonna get with me but i know a couple of friends that are weaker than i am and being teacher next year hugh are gonna ruined my life so she so she She goes. i'll see you a one. Can i see again. Yup which was nice. That was nice way. There's being like you know. I've seen that a million movies. Can i see you. He didn't like just try to go in for like hey released. This was a fucking. This was exhausting. Fucking gangsters undercover fed. I mean dude kiss. I just even like even if you just wanna like flick it with be bigger like to something. That is all new to me and so he just goes one. Can i see you again. Which is even cooler very graceful gentlemanly. And she's like call me in ten ten years and he goes five. Yeah and she's like she doesn't go like i was kid share known. Hey you know. I wouldn't have traded that night for anything so one. Can i see looking. Why don't you give me a call and say about ten years five seven six okay today. now twenty actually because what the fuck did gonna call you when you fifteen what now. It's not only until you're fifty news. That's creepy federally. but no. He says five she goes. You know what the yeah seven seven and he's limi- when you're seventeen. I guess where. I'm going with ten. We can find out for real no eleven. That's why he wrote eleven on the grandma. Remember the dad like well right eleven. because you're eleven has to be right because that's what your grandma would give me. Look it up real quick. That's my guess it makes sense like why would okay also eighteen. That's why she's like what thirty. How old is kid in blank check. Wow eleven year old boy. good call do. That's why the check was eleven bucks so eighteen and that once she's quite so okay now. Let's talk about this. What so eighteen. So she's like she's probably what thirty she's thirty seven. At least she's at least. I don't mean i don't know about how yonder rage and i just i mean. She didn't look like she looked like she could be thirty. S wish carried herself right. Seem shit was put together and so she's so that'll be thirty seven in eighteen and she was like you know what i'm good with that a- because again she could have been like call me in twenty years when i'm thirty eight and your thirty one. She goes. fuck it when you that eight. That one eight hundred of whom. I can call me at one six. Look if you get your driver's license the day you turn sixteen hit me up do yeah because that says to me that you that you want it. So they kiss i mean. Let's not blow over that. 'cause i know it sounds like oh he kisses her if you haven't seen it you're like oh. She kisses him on the cheek. No she at him filter head and gives them like no tongue. Obviously but it was disney. It was but i mean is it. Disney she kissed the little disney different porn. Because that's disney's version of porn is like just big age gap and a little smooch. Yeah that's disney being like. Oh yeah we did it. We did it we did what. Yeah it's it makes sense in the story and again little boys watching probably without realizing it. We're like pretty excited about that. Yeah like i wish. I could remember exactly how i felt about that in the movie. But i don't but i never had. I wish i bet i was fired. Up there's no way. 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I wonder if they met up in real life too like after that you know like what they see each other and he's actually maybe like twenty five and like in good shape and she just like you know came back from shooting a movie and had to end a relationship in germany because the guy lived there and he couldn't get his green card or whatever so she came back it was a tough break and they ran into each other. You know and he's like crazy. We played a movie where i was a kid. And you're a grown woman. She's like kiss kiss kiss and he's like that was like were you nervous. I was so nervous. You're kidding. I wasn't nervous about you. Put me these. Things haven't changed and she goes. She goes she goes. I remember being a good kiss. Remember and then he goes he goes. I remember one eight to last longer. And then she goes. Yeah because well. It's good to see you. And then he was just like for real and she was like yeah. He's like i don't know. Are you leaving like yeah. What did you think it was going to happen. I'm just bumping into you. And he's like. I don't know the movie now like i'm motor and she's just like fuck up. Wow no no. And he's like why is she looks over. And he's got like a fucking maga- bumper sticker. Come on come on. He's like oh okay. I'll see you fuck fuck me because some political looking like who is this woman. I'm on inside your that's different. Yeah different blue. Well i mean you know. Sorta wrap up. Henry often limo sad biden. But he also i think we also feel good for henry because even if we are joking that he was going on by himself and he's living although he went out that one night with his friends like he's hey henry won't play video games like now. I'm gonna go with some buddies. I wish you told me. I would've fucking stage but yeah he's like fuck my friends man. I'm going to goddamn castle. Is i was just wondering if you wanted to play video games. oh man. We should've said something. I can Promise some friends. I was going to meet him in a while. No problem upbringing movie. He was drunk michigan beers because he's probably also just like you know. Subjects was like hey man like digging with a ten year old for the last five days. I gotta have one nine out of like normal life. Come on guys that. I can make jokes and they get them. Try one on me. I did This guy this guy brings a. Is that a big party right. And everyone's fucked up and he brings home a blow up doll and he puts it up in the room and like what kind of dog like brand fisher r- battelle. It's just like a blow up doll for like the land in a pool. Yeah just listen to so so the woman so they put this woman up with the room and they tell everybody managers girl on there. She's really hot. she's a super hornet. Everybody wants to are so first guy goes in there comes out tells everybody what a good time he. Yes right after about twenty minutes. And everyone's like oh damn they doing there. What do you mean president. They do the The jokes coming. But they're you know they're not playing. They're not just like playing mario kart their clothes off and they're getting after it. Yeah you're like hey get after you. The things that you think about doing with shay happening with the guys at this party and the blow up doll so they really love her. They love her so much. They wanna be inside of her. Oh yeah man like magic school bus like that. Oh my god. That's the funniest thing i've ever heard. No not you know man. He wants to. They want to get it on man. They wanna they wanna bone your parents. They made you the bucks a fucking babies with no long joke. A joke man. I gotta leave. I gotta leave. i'll see you know. No joke i got has a good time. They fucking they get after it man. all right. this blow up doll has holes. And this guy's looking fucking film up. So so as i guy comes out twenty minutes guys. I had so much fun. Second guy goes and comes out. Forty five minutes later tells everybody what a good time. He is so similar thing. Everyone's going in there and just getting it on with this person. This this blow up doll But they don't know it's a blow up doll right. That's so these guys thought that it was there so drunk. They thought it was a person and they just kind of went after truck when after they were drunk they drink alcohol. You know sometimes when you go to bed here. The virtual reality seen through three in the morning. That's because 'cause i drank loud when he play that drank two bottles of tito's and would know mix her and i was going for it so these guys are drunk so they can't tell this blow up doll is not a real person so sing out our tells. Her has a great time. Third guy goes in comes out two hours later and tells everybody what how was it. How was it man and he goes. It was awesome. But when i bitter tichy farted and blew out. The window turned this. Why didn't want to tell you. What do you mean got it. I know that. Yeah but it's not about farts. It is anyway anyway man Don't leave the care what he's really asking only here. Yeah yeah what was the point. Was i him telling a joke. What was the point of that. Maybe he wasn't said maybe it wasn't said because as we were saying we he he loved the fact. That's right it was that he love the fact that he he was gonna go hang out with his buddies because they understood filthy jokes. That's right and president was like telling me a joke and then rejected and then he Goes back home back home. And they celebrate his birthday with fan and it is nice. It's not unexpectedly unexpected. He doesn't know upstairs. Yeah and he's he's like do we like humana. Here's your here's your money. Back really is note. We macintosh to you and so then they give them a cake. That was sweet. Yeah i seen that video was like an actual show. Actually choked up weirdly. Sometimes i just fucking. I'm not a huge crowd movies. But i can get like locked like unexpectedly locked in. I'm watching this movie. You know for the second time in a week just very you know knowing what's coming all that but then the it just like i was i think maybe more invested this time. It's fucking sweet. Man fucking sweet. A lot happening last kids. Are they get to celebrate her birthdays this year and the dad was like i'm fucking. I'm such a piece of shit man. And he's like yeah he's like it's fine man finds fucking beach. Have some kids jobs. Don't make me get a job when i'm ten to twelve. You know my bike. I love baseball. You keep saying you keep telling me that fucking gloves expensive expensive. It's like that's what. And i bike to a job at a broken and you keep telling me i have to get my own. I don't have a job even buy another one. There's a lot of holes in your logic for how you want me to proceed and so then wraps up and there was no ending of like i would have loved I don't know something to tease us. That there could have been blank check to they. Should've i mean why e every kid movie it's like man. Leave it open for that sequel. Wh who do you pulp fiction. You don't need this wrapped up. And i love that. He gets hit again. Y- you know gay does other taken any of the camera. Big smile not again before. Yeah yeah. I think you're into it like shit two million dollars. He knows. now it'd be like. Oh i got to put like one hundred million extent. That actually is fucking great idea and just redo that kid. Yeah but maybe he is like twenty-five if you can't it's serious to supervise or was that was about because not too late jackie's catch me if you can. Yeah wow but i loved. It was great to go back down memory lane. And i think i love i think holds up the does as far as And especially you're right like in cova times to see a kid having that much fun having just the no single socially distant probably bad i guess probably a bad movie to watch your kid pandemic. That's never happened ever again. Never again but but the but a lot of good messages enough comedy who you say would be the best part if you could play one of those guys in the musical of blank check would part. Would you want to be preston. Yeah because the thirty year old yeah. I'm thirty. I'll kiss a thirty year old. That's you know what i mean. You think at some point do you think at some point they do. You know how like they did. Black ami right with jamie fox. Yeah would they do a black blank check check like i'm on my podcast ballots. Item about that julia. Why don again for the second time to do a black christmas episode. He him and guy torry came on the first time. Just breakdown black christmas. And it's amazing. I mean and and that's all open me up to so much about like some like blank check like you just see like like you know a different movie. Yeah and the cook has cooler shit too like he gets arrested for fraud immediately prison movie. It's like whoa okay. it's still it's still it's still. It's like a silver streak. It's kid and he's like i don't know he's just got like the he still has that kind of a luxury of spending habit like preston. Yeah but just more girls over in like animals like you know just shit like yeah like maybe you know Preston fuck you know. Maybe it's based the kid did it. Because he saw the movie blank check you know also that the so much to ask you gotta you know a waterslide from the bed i gotta fucking cheetah you know different ideas about what's cool. What's cool but it's all rooted in that. He saw the movie as a kid. And that's what gave him the idea to do that. I mean it's fucking it is fun. Yeah it's fun. I like fun movies. They don't really try to make totally where just easy comfort food. Give me the comfort food. Man i don't have to be thrilled every time. Yeah well it sounds like they're getting ready to Our album next door. It's really getting the pumping over there. 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It'll be great so watch CRAP DOT COM to get tickets for that and then just a reminder that we have some huge shows two of the biggest eaters we've ever done DC and in Boston. Boston's at the Wilbur. which the comic? So we still tickets available for those so go to watch. CRAP IS DOT COM for those. It'll be so fun and today talk about iconic like Ronnie. We have Shah's sunset back after after like a year long break. The Shah's are back action house. Nick it doesn't really work into the word iconic I can touch I kai showers and then I can make shows on on. Shah's gettable well. Yeah it doesn't really work with that. But his back listened. Sauces Sodas one of their says if features just some of the worst people so on television. Well at least a couple of them I mean Raza. Wow this is back in full force and it looks. It's like we're GONNA try and flip the script a little bit this year and actually try to ruin residence life because usually it's Raza. WHO's coming on and trying to ruin everybody else's life so it looks like they're coming at him on the offense this year and I doubt it was going to work because I believe it? I have a running Kerim conspiracy theory. Oh Oh good I love it. I think he's in on all this and I think that he is. He wants to look like the victim because he's sick and tired of people always saying that res- affects over his friends. Because that's what everyone it says all the time. Everyone knows it so I think he wants to be the one to look like the victim instead of because Adam every season Adam is like the battered wife right and I think this season he wants to be the battered wife not to say that callously but that he wants to be the one that's like no. It's not just me. I'm the one who who has a hard time in his marriage. I believe leave that something is something is fishy to me. Very very fishy yet because now look the reunion. Was this show all happened. A long time ago right does feel like it's been forever yet. It's been almost a year and a half. Yeah so it's been a long time since this show's been on some things are going to be fuzzy. Does he my head sorry everybody. But that's just how my brain is km old but Didn't did they say they were in an open relationship at that reunion. Or what did they say they were not in an open may cause I remember they ask Andy asked them. I honestly don't remember. I really think the rest of the rest of the world kind kind of knows that they're in an open like it didn't shocking to me. You know. Yeah so I think it's just an open relationship and Adam was doing you know something fun while Raza was out of town and it's really not that big of a deal but this other thirsty queen is gonNA come on and try and try and get a housewife spot. Yeah exactly but that being he said last season of Shah's I did not love. I felt like it sort of didn't have our core. It was just it just to me it. It was going through the motions and I I really struggled but this episode. I thought it was super funny and fun. I was like his Shah's back. It's a love. Shahs of sunset so I'm I'm hoping that I'm cautiously optimistic. That we are going to be having a Shah's revival much as we've seen on Atlanta and New Jersey and somewhere more else I don't know where but you guys can figure it out so here we are back again. This episodes titled Naked Jenga and afraid Ah I see what they did very clever so we start off with. MJ being asked by producer. What is it that holds you guys together and she's like dysfunctional? Love is good and then we get clips of. MJ resumes. Amazing relationship. Trying to ruin lives together. They didn't have in. Isn't that scene where reservoirs tried to ruin Jay's life because that was a big one member that was in three or something two or three. Yeah Yeah I think we'll see some with awesome and lily. Golly Gee yes And then didn't invite them Jay to that party and was like everyone that I love is here and and there's no one here that that there's no one who's not here who I love or something like that. He basically yes. Yes there's yes Ronnie yes So they left that up but then we get them. You know just having the most thorough relationship yeah automatic automatic things like maneuver not just friends. Family Febru- defensively. At the end of the day we may fade. We may fight like a motherfucker but you know what family family. It's like that that weird sort of band-aid that they say to each other. Tell themselves that everything's okay always or like totally crumbling. E- Add Mike. We're not family. We work in an applebees together. You know what I mean. Because that's what people say when you're waiting tables it's like guys. I know that we had some rough times last night. It was a rough night. But you know what we're family and we're going to get through this together. It's like no. We're not a family. The chef through a panic my head like you throw knives at me before. So No. We're not you're or just some Dixie. Pay Me two dollars. An Hour. Plus to thinks it's basically like going into olive garden and believing that their slogan is true. When you're here you're family? Oh my God I I had no idea. I had all these family members. Wow this is great. What a great? What a great thing to learn on this Thursday? I thought I'd just getting dinner but it turns out I actually we have a whole family. I didn't know that if you had said to me raise You would it be enemies with MJ. Her husband would abandon. Let your property. I would bet you ten grand. That was not true. Time to double that money. Yeah and then we see. That's like intercut with footage of Raza on instagram. Graham lives thing. MJ You the and then we see like ring camera footage Tommy throwing pots around the backyard. which to me is funny? But then seeing this episode how hard. They had to work to make their crabgrass. Looks semi presentable. I get it I get why. There's a devastated. Yeah you'd better not have messed step those butterfly cocoon things the butterfly eggs because the best part of the episode. Yes Butterfly genocide side. Yeah so it's like four weeks earlier don't don't own Adam with a weed whacker so we were Ataman reser now in their new house and it basically looks exactly like you would think. Wow it is like this on patterns. Yeah it's bad it's a lot of gold and a lot of mid-size two things kind of squeezed together aggressive. It's like it's the equivalent Evelyn of reading a paragraph and every word is in a different font. And you're like feels like a ransom letter but it's not even as interesting as that and they're trying to be like open concept but it's like get clogged artery. Basically just a mess like there's too much furniture's too big nothing fits in there. Everything's heart attack it's heart attack design. Clogged arteries isn't just as a great i. I just wrote down hideous open concept. There's also this weird red sideboard record Enza in the dining room. That has these circles. Grows on it and it looks like there are three washing machines lined up in the in the dining room. It's really bothered me also. Yeah other me was Adam was weed whacking taking his lawn mower. You don't use math. Those are like literally for we've stupid. That's why it's called the weed whacker. Yeah it's not for trimming your lawn. It's like finding the random mass weeds in the corner like that was bothering so long. Exile law literally. Don't even you don't even have to get like a full fledged lawnmower. Just get one of those those things to certain two wheels with like the blades and just like just push it push it around like in like like an analog. You know sit at this point. Put a room out there. It'd be doing better than what you're dealing with that we'd lacquer so then resume comes outside to quote unquote help. And he's wearing short shorts because he's lost five pounds and that's his thing on twitter or Instagram Pichler. Fifty has can bitch can't complain by by the way in fact. Losing Weight is when you complain the most. Let's be honest. That's for sure I'm starving. Yeah I mean. Does that remember when when I was on Kito remember how was then you know I had. Maybe maybe you're very kind Ronnie but when when we all know that's why you see look at Ben Eating again just lying now. This constantly openly what I eat I lie when I do Kito I just I complain. Yeah so res- Is You know all about his fifty pounds of Steph which you know get for you mm-hmm so atoms like you are closed honey like you can't wear that Adams. Here's how you do this. It's a weed whacker so the blind leading the blind right start bickering. I'm sorry and I also. I understand a lawn law. There's a science to making a good lawn okay. Lawns don't just happen but it's also just very strange to me. This is going to be super judgy. I'm just giving you a warning. This is Ben being as Judgy as possible. But I can't help it 'cause I'm watching it and that's what this podcast is about. You Wash it on TV. And you're seeing on the couch and this about the thoughts that go to your head. The apologizing to I'm doing what do you think is doing a wind. They're listening to okay. I'll be quiet. Sometimes I get self conscious like all silly philly. What are you waiting for this? That's what I feel. I feel like that patchy ass lawn was like dirt and like a few grass and strange flat leaves. It's just like shitty law. We've all seen them. It's all it's happened to all of us by the way the shittiest lawn I'm like why like don't don't show me your air. mez throw on your bed and then have that should he has long. Okay like you're rich higher Orlando come in for an afternoon and put in the grass and then be done with it and this is when people do that. They're like you know what. Guess what Sarah Scape. Yeah yes zero scape- escape seriously and this is not me being Jennifer aiden being stingy. You know because that's different than saying like just can you take care of your shit like stingy beans. It has a whole other level of competition. So I'm not Jennifer aiden but I do think dude get get get that you can. You can buy those tracks of grass right. You're apologizing for saying somebody should Hira landscape though because I don't want to be done for eight and that's why I don't I WANNA be Jennifer. Even I want to say listen. You're on TV fucking put in the grass. But I'm not gonNA stingy because that's that's more of a value judgment for me. It's more like we have to watch you so we don't WanNA watch bad grass. Yeah thank you thank you. That's my judgy moment. Love it I was here for a second. Tell if you were just like Oh years been talking yourself into a hole or if you were being I was waiting for a whole. But there wasn't a whole it was just like they really landscaper lawn actual we'd never make in my family basically like that's just how we talk on my God you're disgusting. Get it together. Long story store get landscaper. Who At least understand the concept of a lawnmower ooh so they start bickering about weed whacking basically? Because they're adamant Raza you know and so that's telling us we're doing so much better now we are doing so much better. If you ask me things could not be better which I think really does lend evidenced here theory. That he's he's acting he's just saying that shit to us but meanwhile he's like totally being addicted to add a by the scenes. Yeah I'm sure things could never be better. I know when one way that things could be better that you had that five hundred thousand dollars invested in a shampoo. We've never seen. Yeah and you know what else would make things look better jogging pants please. Congratulations on your weight loss. Please get a rope. You know what would have made things better a lawn along a lot grass grass debate things. Okay go to Home Depot and buy those things and we've seen too much. HDTV to let let this should happen. You'll be cannot have home Bravo and then have our stars with this sort of this sort of dirt patch no yes. The backyard is a disaster astor. But we're GONNA throw poking poorly so they are putting together a guest list for their their housewarming party. I'm Jay he's not gonna be there because she's on bed rest. It's at this point is she's now thirty six weeks pregnant so this is going to surmise when the timeline is but yeah. She's not going to be there. I've learned from housewives not to count months that people are pregnant for weeks at people are pregnant because favorite just turned that math right on. It said she did. She really did So they're making guest list and Jiji's not on it and Adams like well why wouldn't gt beyond the list and resnick will because you know we had a huge reunion. And you know that's it but I'm not going to be one of those pitchy Queens gee-gee hasn't been the nice to me so I'm not GonNa Better to my party. You live by the Brunner fucking life even more because bitch bitch bid. Yeah I love. I love a resume. Reser saying he's not going to be one of those bitchy Queens. He's not gonNA bite someone because someone has not been nicer. Mike have you seen the last seven seasons of your show. It's an entire show member. Asa Remember Jay on alternate seasons remember illegally yet certain points remember. And he's arming. Yeah Hi it's reality. You are that Mike Mike you had on you know number on yours for even numbered year. Any leakier Mike is on the outs. uh-huh and then res- attacks GD and he's like deer road and adding that so then we go over to G G. WHO's sitting with her friend? Yasmin or yes me. I think was wants a passenger. My Uber Guys. Yeah let that sink in. I know that because because I picked up I remember picking up a girl in in Beverly Hills and I took her to an apartment building in Westwood and gee-gee was waiting there and I was like. Oh Look Judy. From Shahs of sunset she was like. Yeah that's my best friend. So I feel like I drove yasmine somewhere so kind of insider insider information. Oh so your trying to coach her. She's like well. If you go to this party you just need to be court ordered. You need to be patient. And then she tells us that she's so blindsided by everybody's sided. Because she was. What was he suing her for? The ring right wasn't he suing her to get the ring back or something the ring. Oh Shalom yeah. She's being sued by Shalom. Because of shit her friends were talking to alone. I don't even remember the details of that ridiculousness but yes. Here's the thing. GD feels slighted by everything. Okay I mean if someone at Riday doesn't take her you know doesn't doesn't check her out quickly enough she will probably turn over several of those. I mean actually not that bad example. Because I think we would do that. We would all have a ride get mad at rite aid. But she just always feel slighted the but you know what she always kind of is like at least in this situation. STER- well she's she's lovely and then she's a monster. Yeah but they were coming at her heart about Shalom and Mike Taking Shalom side and stuff and the pig was our fucking monster bay. That's true true. Yes he was so then she's like yeah they're just trying to get a reaction from me. So I'm I'm just giving everyone their space and Yasmine is like. Yeah but you know what you've got really the big things happening in your life when you look at you. You're wearing a t shirt that says we saw so ask you got your t shirt. Can you just you just subscribed arrived Disney plus big deal big step for you a bitch to take commercial grade tiger commercials that super. ooh So anyway So she says basically says the only person she wants to talk to his destiny And she also she wants to talk to resume to she wants to patching up the reser because she loves Adam so much and we flashback from like a day ago and she and atoms are smelling flowers. And he's like smell this one and they just like that's exactly what you would do without him. This hour's which is Mala. I'm GONNA take a picture of smelling the flowers. Oh my God. It looks like you've got drugs on your nose. God you're learning. Well let's just totally something Raza would say eh. It looks like you have Kogo News. Yeah except Raza would actually sell it to the inquirer at. I think what's funny to me is not that they were smelling flowers. 'cause I love that Shit. I love smelling flowers too but I think it's that many years ago we coined the term pain gay because of Adam. Because he's he's like such a team gay gay and I just love whenever he does things that are like so tame gay right right. Yeah today. We're gonNA smell flowers and then tomorrow I'm going to check my butterflies. The Adam is definitely a sweater gay. Yeah who says up to like Gay Pride in my CONNEC and like dockers and then Kinda Pashmina Kit Chile. You never know against June. We're not saying it with any judgment. We're just saying it with a like we're just sort of. Maybe I am saying it with judgment. What do you think of that? Yeah well you find that. Maybe I am apologize for Dame Gay I duNNo. I'm so apologetic today from weird apology every single thing. I'm not this because I'm imagining people being like. You are being so hateful to the house we are. We're making fun of Tame Gays Okay Ridiculous. We're just well. The thing is this in my heart of hearts I team gay. So that's why I feel like that's why. Feel okay to say these things because I am a tame gay okay you can have it. You can have your team gay apology things because you know who always apologizes Tim Gaze. Yeah before they call the manager over well. That's the thing we're learning Tannen gazer. Never really the pitchy after be fooled by the sweater and the Pashmina okay. It's okay you okay. So they're they're smelling pulling flowers in the park and then it cuts back and yes means like well. What about you know what he wanted? What's his pregnancy thing? What is that about and G G tells us us that she's going she's getting IV she's trying to get pregnant and she knows that she's going to have to give up? We'd when she's pregnant but until then and then they just get a little little montage of Jesus being high at all times right which is the best thing that's happened where to be honest almost put her on a career track. Yeah as a pretty much pass where she was not anywhere near a career track. Yeah won't don't don't forget. GT's hair extensions. Whatever sorry clip on? I think I will apologize. Wholeheartedly for neglecting disease hair extensions good? I'm glad you got an apology American. Yeah Tim Tim. Gap Haji coming through. Polity was wearing a sweater that apologize wearing a sweater and had a track of here in it so then we go over to destiny and there was like a moment where they like burn something s fund. But that's so then Mike we then go into a farmer's market where Mike and Destiny Zinni are walking around definitely has abandoned her storyline from last season. which was she's trying to find her father and she never did so? That's that's one of the great mysteries of Bravo but now she's moving on to shaming. Mike which I think is a much better story. Line the Mike is just in full on my commode. This season in full mic shows up to shoot at the Ginseng booth to get better Boehner's you know. And he's wearing a sweatshirt fighter. I'm a fighter. Okay I'm not gonNA take it anymore because I'm fighter heider say he's had in life so there he's like I do not need. Do not need this thank you okay. I'm a person I'll I'll just have constant tent in the front of my pants and she's like yeah you're shabbily will be like well My always like that for Paolina. Oh Oh yeah. Then we learn about Paulina. This the love of his life not to be confused with his other love of his life. Morgan or the other one before that Jessica. The constant love of his life palm aid very strong parliament. The other love of his life jar for no one. I was surprised when he he walked up behind. Really tight. Suit vests really love of his life a hatred for chocolate croissants. Yeah so he is. Of course shocker. She's this is not too bad actually for like old guys in L. A.. She's twenty eight which is an actual some actual dolts. I would expect somebody a lot way way way. Way Way Way Way. The first time in in in I think years that if you added up the digits in his girlfriends age it made it a double digits. That's impressive twenty. Eight to ten sprite really pitches and makes it double. She's the first person girl he's dated and she's also the first Persian Jewish girl. He's dated so his mom will be happening on. That says mom is found like like. Oh God thank God. She's going to do everything to get these together. So he's making dinner for her and he's getting all this stuff the farmer's market or whatever and sew destinies like well wait a minute what is what are you guys even eat because you said she was Vegan but then you were talking about steaks And he's like yeah. She was Vegan but she really wants me to be happy so go. Wow there's there's a healthy relationship. Somebody's giving I'm going to start. I eating meat for you. Mike has also an inflated sense of Grandeur I guess in in regards to his XS is he goes you go back fifteen years and girls I dated would say I love Mike because I knew how to treat them like just cracks up. She's like don't let's say you know how to treat them. He's like of course I do. You cheated on your ex wife. And he's like look. I fucked up that I was in a bad relationship. That's totally different so okay. I'm glad glad the apology. Season's over where he's like. Look I'm totally different man down. Now he's like no I'm just saying man was always a good man. No Girls Love it when you cheat on them. Ellen talk down to them. They love that. They love it unsolicited advice. That the girl's favorite thing. Trust me Bro. Trust me so it's like I'm in a relationship and it changed my vibe and she's like By yeah you're holding vibe. I spelled it wrong. So I I wrote Boeing vibe so I was like what did I mean to type here. That's why yeah so she goes. You're hoping vibe is like I was never. I was never like Mike Mike. You're you're like I don't know what Persian is for but that's what you're that's that is the definition right there. Yeah and he's like what about you. I've seen your tinder and so I'll still maintaining it's like finding a needle in the haystack. And that needle is rested. What does that mean? The it's like once you find the needle you're GONNA get a horrible disease you know I. Yeah I feel like I feel like the proper analogy. It'd be like finding a needle on the haystack. And then just settling for. Hey you know what I just need. Hey right now instead so then they have an argument about do- saute a fresh carrots. Golden Carrots or do you do you just cut them up and put them in salad. Yeah I thought they were perhaps parsnips. I wasn't totally sure. Her destiny was trying to give some advice and Mike was not listening to her and then he like ask someone else and they say saute and she said and it was. I love enough destiny redemption. How am I single? Mike's already wiped up. I mean it's like groundhog's Day and the twilight zone all wrapped into one. Okay destiny. You're going to. I need to work on your diary. Bream sessions okay. You just had the rusted needle. CAN'T JOE to in one scene like that. No no you can't and the reason why Mike is wiped up up is he has no standards. That's why Yeah and she doesn't either. Paulina girl okay. So then we go over to adamant Rasa we're still landscaping. We were a happy couple. who have no problems whatsoever? Honey is this takeover year and Adam goes sure is I saw some monarchs on it the other day got to exit out of it deliberately. Oh yeah so. He's collecting the eggs the monarch mark eggs and then putting them into like a little incubator for monarchs and he's growing butterflies which is like both sects such a cute. That's so cute. It's a lovely family. It's a lovely potentially not very useful hobby which the monarchs are in real danger or they may take it back. Doesn't get fan for saving the monarchs. Yeah but enough about Meghan markle. Am I right not not any more talk about methyl. Speaking about monarchs. I'm sick of being a monarch. I'm Outta here Every monarch hit Adam keeps. They're probably like let me out of here. I'm moving to Canada with my boyfriend. Pretty away from this terrible yard. Yeah every monarch is like. Please give me out of this house. He makes me watch hallmark every single at every single day. Please let me fly free. Also also Adam they're talking out speaking of kids. MTC about to pop umbrellas. Like who do you want to have kids. It's weird that you're not nagging me children. And then there's a really long pause while Adam just kind of moves dirt around wire and he's like now your heating rate second thoughts. aww because of our relationship has been and Adams like yeah like we're not the best place and if we have a baby and you're gonNA get stroke fast and I'm on the other side of your anger you. What's the baby snacks? A blanket or the baby pukes on your Gucci Shoes then wet. It's GonNa Cause Friction with you. You know my career. I mean that's bad. I Damn Damn well. I don't blame you for not wanting to have children with Raza. I think that's probably a very adult decision. But you're still going to probably want kids so move. May maybe maybe Adam. You should've thought about this before. He sold his dream house in Palm Springs to fund your nagging desire for children children. Maybe I don't know I'm just thinking out loud. I'm hoping we hear more about that later. So it's the resin sold that how well at least Raza told us he sold. Hold it for Adam who knows reser probably because he had a debt by any blames Adam for it. But I'm like He sold his Palm Springs Dream House like he'd loved that House. Well do you think that he just got the pile of money than atoms out anymore. Because it's been like a year and a half so yeah well well I mean apparently like they had a flashback. The reunion where basically resumes that he wanted a divorce. So we're like what has been happening in our relationships like cut to them. What did divorce so yeah add? Basically Adam it seems like Adam is trying to really guilt Raza. Because you saying. I don't WanNa have babysitters taste because you won't be able to handle it and it's almost like you're saying actually do want babies and I want you to grow up but instead he's saying the exact opposite. I also want you to be nicer to me. And residents like okay will. You didn't like my short shorts enough supposed to be nice to you so I would go back inside because I am thoroughly thirsty. Getting water other and moving back to Iran. Yeah so then then we go to new scene and Raza is walk into a bar with and he's like wearing these crazy checker pants of course and he meets with Nima and Nima as like all proud. He's like pointing out his teeth because he just got new veneers for twenty five thousand dollars and he's like honestly I love it. It is the best investment made in my entire life. Did He say twenty five thousand. Because that's hilarious. Yes it was on the screen. I think it was twenty thousand. Maybe it's two thousand five hundred twenty five hundred five thousand they were so Nima was at golden crappies and I was like those veneers are so intense by was like. I'm not gonNA say anything because it's you know you won't guess but now that it's now that he's addressing it. Those were intense whoa. I thought that he had like super like freshly bleached teeth. No those were like like it was like you need like some sunglasses around those things. Yeah April were posting the Ross from friends picture all over the Internet. Today it was hilarious. Really roscosmos roscosmos teeth bleached. Oh my God that is seen as a black light. But he's happy he loves it. That's exactly how we wanted it. And so he. He's like super foresight and he's like feeling more in touch with Persian routines even wearing his goal chain still so he's all happy just like well like you went from like six percent poos into true like a hundred pros as that thing resumes just buttering people at because it's the beginning of the season but if you doubt what a horrid person resume is just look at his outfit okay good. People don't dress like that. Yeah telling you that right now. There is not a good person walking around in fucking Gucci Patterned. Jogging in pants. No that anybody would like to prove me wrong. Police envy pictures. Okay yes I fully cosign thank you so Emma's like also married life. CONGRATS congrats on married. Live and then we see one day earlier Adam benching him out if you would stop young dogs for falling blanket. Well I have decided to channel all my desire for babies into monarch dark butterflies. So I'm fully happy and content. These butterflies will be a perfect substitute for rearing a child for the rest of my life. Yes Sir Thank thank you Buddy Love you love your body. Res- love you to. I can't stop focusing not fifty pounds with Hashtag bit slots fifty Paulo own has called hashtag recipe. Like that one. If I if you like between your crazy visit teeth and me bitch losing fifty pounds. I've been calling me Benjamin Buttons Bitch. I don't WanNa call you that. So let's see memes like well fat. Nima puts fat resident Shane. And then we get pictures of being overweight and then we get pictures of in now these all thin like making an effort putting gel in his hair and brushing his teeth and dropping like a half of a container of baby powder down the front of his shorts. Yeah Ah so they are talking about dating and then now they're not sideways. Enter talking about Mike and resume basically like well. Let me explain Paulina's rich XS rich so mike pretty much has access to lots of money. It's like perfect Mike. One Persian good for not every chance of any family Mirny. He wins and then return. Paulina guests a lifetime. Supply of tiny gold. Babies US news so then speaking of let's go to Mike's House he's like could be putting water in a pot that yeah yeah he goes. My life has completely changed from a year ago. I'm my family. Has It really. He picks up a pair of tongs and he goes. Oh I saw them used this on on top chef. Say Oh forks. I saw this. I saw Julia Child. Wants us to fork. I'M GONNA use it to yeah. I've totally grown. I've tongs now uh-huh. Paulina comes over. And we get to check out this PAOLINA. And he's like you know I've finally I'm forty. I'm single and I WANNA family and I found the person who's GonNa give me all the things I want in life and then she comes in and you know this relationship is just a heap of crap because of how they talk to each other sacks he's like like oh my God hello gorgeous. I love you so much. Love you enough. The Food I love you. I love the way your eyes sparkle of the Spaghetti. Oh yeah you're so strong. Stop Beautiful. So the gorgeous trying really really hard. Yeah way too hard. And I like Mike. Mike's this little meal which was supposedly Vegan. But I would not put a pass Mike to totally have like egg noodles in that Spaghetti He like leave it to him. He's forty years old. He's so proud that he's forty now now and he's like serving the dish you make when you're twenty two just moved into city. Oh you're some iceberg lettuce with like a few like tomatoes in it and Some Hidden Valley Ranch and some very basic pasta. That actually doesn't look like it even has any sauce on it. Yeah and look if you're dating a man and he's GonNa put you on national TV. She and the first thing he does to you is force you to eat spaghetti on. TV dummy he does not have your best interests at heart. No one looks good eating spaghetti. Nobel and on top of that. He tries to be romantic. He takes him spaghetti secure. Try this try this so instead of takes it instead of sort of like dangling it like a long strand into her mouth knows the sexy draping it into onto her tongue. He takes Spaghetti. Bunches it up into a ball it looks like a scrunchy or like a like a shower loofah thing and he just plops it into remount. Gee that was real romantic Mike. Yeah and she's like house. I never met you before. WHO ARE I? Don't know more cooking bathroom stalls like what do you want me to tell you. I know I know house. Yeah Yeah Yeah because you were so young and you're married. When I was young I was a playboy rockstar? And here we go. Let's separate and pretend that history was. It's like twenty years ago. Yeah he's just even. It was laugh fear. It was literally last season. You were dating like an eighteen year old old porcelain doll okay. It was not long ago. Yeah and she's like well hearing that you cheated on someone I would think no. You don't don't deserve a second chance but the way you adore my children. That's when I'm like you know he's a cheater and there's children involved. I'm marrying this man. It's like a year on idiot. You're a fucking any lady. Can we can we. She is an idiot and she's desperate and I don't know why she's just normally I would say well she just really wants to have kids but George He. He has three kids but also talk about just how cheesy he is. First of all heap saying you know I would always hear that when you know you know but get and guess what now I know for the third time I know for sure. She's my soul mate and then she opens up the fridge to get something at some hot sauce. Wow so empty and he goes is. The Fridge is empty but my heart is full please. I think it's more of a metaphor about the future. You guys have together the big empty fridge. Your Fridge probably is a lot like your heart Just a bunch of ago set Phil. Ah Yes really bothered me. So G goes to meet destiny for lunch. And she's wearing A. Ah Jumpsuit that she stole straight off the rack of Dennis's closet from real housewives of Atlanta one hundred percent color blocked and it's even his colors. LERS wasn't it like ripple had yellow and it's all the Dennis colors is purple yelling. It's basically Mardi Gras is Mardi Gras. Yeah I was wondering if I was just seeing that in my memory now because we just saw New Orleans had so much fun. I'm like just seeing those colors and everything now Abbey was painting the bedroom purple and Yellow House yea agreeing to waive from Bondi graph the world. That's just like hey remember when you went to New Orleans like yeah because it was like yesterday so yeah I think so so orkar. She's also honking aggressively at everyone. And she's just being a terror as usual and then they She gets to a restaurant that is like full of basically us is. It's just gay people eating and just probably ordering extra food. Because they've seen it. There's a lighting rig set up and there's going to be a reality TV shoot so they're just waiting waiting around for drama to happen which is me and gt goes in an order. She already seeing that baby that she does once like weird bird said. Can I get a couple of orders. Out of the way I want Onion rings pizza French fries. Like it's ordering all this shit and she's like uh hormone like you're stoned your stone. She's like I'm hungry all the time. Now I'm like yeah 'cause you're stoned all the time. Simple destiny comes and test. It's like oh I don't know if I can eat any of that. Oh I didn't order any of this for you. Don't worry worry about it so already. She's putting destiny on the defensive. Someone's like I only can eat salad with salmon on it and your pizza. French fries is a chocolate Sundae. would be great over here. Could you just put a Tortilla on my head. I just want him. I want to arms waving that. Slice is the pizza right in. Destiny's face so they start talking and saying how she and destiny have different friendship and and you know she didn't. She didn't disconnect her And like she saw that there was a tiff at the reunion but then destiny throughout the friendship and Yada Yada Yada. You mean the tiffany. You screamed at her for no reason the name to her for trying to come in and help you. Yeah so yeah. So she's like oh so but that's the cost of you wanting to stop being friends. You're just like okay that's it. I'm done with her and she goes. Oh Wow I was turning point. She starts getting pissed answer destinies like yes. I mean my God. I was baffled at changing because I hadn't she goes. It's your delivery. And then she goes. Why are you yelling right now? The yelling the variety yelling. That's also why Kellie dod does when she fights with people are yelling right now so you just do it and so does is getting all mad and then in a garden salad arrives. There's like a ten garden salad delivery and now now. GD starts to yell and she's a and destiny is like see looks doesn't doesn't it goes. I'm yelling because that's just who I am. It's not you this is just how I talk and then just starts yelling at US things like well no see now. You're yelling and now often. It's okay for you to yell. Whatever he's like you just turn it on and when when do I just turn it on? And then we see a montage of eight years of doing absolutely beserk. I'm not only going Berserk Zarka but with weapons but every clip where. She's like throwing Adams face into the roses or picks up a knife to threaten somebody or she's practicing her she's practicing at the gun range. What a lovely arc that? They've had that they went from her her like punching Adam in the face with a rose to then them smelling flowers together in a flashback. No isn't that a lovely arc. Oh it and both times. She left looking like shade coke all over her nose. This world is crazy crazy So then apparently there was an incident because they had an incident at quote unquote the fair. I don't know what it was like. Remember the fair. Remember what happened at the fair Alec County Fairs. Only one I know Orange County Fair are two round just got OPEC trump's you see your local fair. Just leave run away. It's not going to end. Well aw yeah. Run from the fair for sure. So Jiji's like do not fucking lie and she's like pointing finger interface and she's standing up now and yelling down Because you were about to say sorry. We went off but no member was that time but the fair. And you put your hand on my face and said I better back up. She's like that is. That is a lie gets up and puts her finger in her face and she goes. I would never raise my hand to a best friend Batman while her hand is literally raised on her fingers or nervees and then all the Gays Aka. All of me and Ronnie's are sitting there just like smiling and like looking at each other like I don't know who you are. But we're all loving US right. We're bonded for life right. This is amazing. Right Dea loved it Ansa. Hansa digi storms out and it says gee-gee has left the building with a marijuana cigarette and that she comes back here and she's like I just needed a minute. Yeah Cassini debuts. Her new tagline which is going void. She's like listen. Yeah I don't WanNa fight with you for just we like. What are we going to do? Here 'cause gee-gee down on her hands and knees now she's like. I just want to understand what to do. So what did you. And she's like an also like can I get up because I have arthritis gay reverse Voi- get up up. Listen listen I love you. I love you and that was so cute. That was so cute he got to need. Okay let's be probably done. Yeah so then back at resume decorating for the party. They've hired she she she. Yeah Kevin to come in and do their party and Adam is just stalking around with the vacuum cleaner. Just looking pissed off. He's always vacuum around here. I'd rather be out with my butterflies butterfly back and better than I do why we have to do as you know. He's all crabby. It's like I'm like an pending from American beauty. We'll sell thousand. I will sell this house which Adams loser and Batum I am. I want something down just as possible and resume. The perfect has been comes over. Do you want to be here. And he's like I don't even drink beer. Okay bye dude we even do. Yeah Adam I'm just standing the the vacuum cleaner the way I did when I was a kid signed a chore Mom. So they're better fives monarch butterflies make me happy spread your wings and began to so so then dusting shows up and she's made cocktails. And then we see that Kevin Li sorta backyard looks good now because Kevin Lee had the good sense to come in and like lay downs Mashal turf. 'cause we flashback of Kevin Looking at the backyard he goes oh it looks terrible terrible. Oh No Kevin. Kevin Lee is mortified that he had to go go all the way out to the valley. He's like I do Vanda pump tennis courts. Okay I'm not going to the valley might not do it because it's TV and he's a working boy. He'll take that money where he'll take those thousands of dollars wherever you can get them. Yeah so he says I've and Destinies like Oh my God there's so much dirt out here. Nobody warned me disgusting enough. So that's like the rhyming thing that everybody has to walk through the dirt of the front yard to get to their backyard. Yeah so definitely has made this this special Martini Africa. What she he called it but it was? I guess based off of a classic Persian Salad and it's a very tart Martini because reservoir Martinez. So she's like here. Adam you try. The Martini are teeny and it had a takes us. If it's too hard for me she's like well let's start shit and he's like he just doesn't Qatar attitude. Staw can't even look at Adam without feeling guilty three days earlier. Like Dun Dun Duh What was the game? Because I'm terrible and just wrote the gay. It's an alley alley or Ali Ali Ali so Because I don't think they pronounce it like Ali Right. Yeah Alley. Yeah the so the three days earlier. He's like I was getting all these text messages from. Adam take the point of sexual harassment. You want to see him. She's like Oh my God that his tingling atoms and a Dick Pic. I'm not sure. Yeah apparently. And she's like was he trying to get an ear and he's like I don't know girl and then she's like how do you tell somebody you have shitty. Should he s information about their relationships. Like I don't know you already set up a scene to shoot with him so yeah I guess you just serve enough Tar Martinez until he spills the beans. Yeah I'm another Chart Martini. Tell me everything no another Martini. Fine I was kind of blamed the person who gets the information on Bravo like I shoot the Messenger Mike. I used to shoot with Ali like come on. And by the way an important he's innocent here and an important details Elliot's a friend of MJ's and I think that will probably be important down the line in understanding how Raza M. J. They're huge falling out. Okay so then we go back to resume. Resume comes up to adamant the parties like looney through. Won't you kiss me. And Adam refuses is to give him a kiss. I'm like well you know. Yeah that does make atom look bad but you just came up and in front of everybody look strong like. Is that a compliment. Okay after tried I to offer him beer. Yeah seriously so then. More people start to arrive. Nemo's their French. Ron Is there Uh and then Mona Mona and Shervan show up which is exciting and we have our new. We have a new girl Sarah so I think she's like the new cast remember. I don't know if she's a full time. CAST member of she is a friend of but she walks in and he was like. Oh my God. Sarah is a hot little Parisian Bitch. I would say pills fifty pounds but she didn't. She's fifty pounds. I lost fifty pounds though Benjamin Button Jordan motherfucker unless to Sarah fuckers she's got an MBA and a most cities. She doesn't have a lot of Persian. Fan says says like BP had got you personality. She has in money. Yeah she drives. She tries her personality. But also here's another little league. Elise Situation Smart Accomplished woman who you're claiming one of your best little friends. Yeah we'll Dragged through the mud by their ankles at a year. Yeah so Mike in. Paulina showed up and she bears so they walked through. The House. House and Mike had sent over in enormous oversize annoyingly sized bouquet. The kind of thing that like is at home at like maybe a wedding ceremony but like in a house. It's like too much and he's all mad because the floors didn't send the card that goes with it and so basically he's mad because he's just not getting credit for the big flowers. Yeah and he's such an idiot because we just learned in Nola an old Nola at the cemetery that the reason there's flowers everywhere is because people stink like. Do you know why they have flowers at weddings because people stank they couldn't take baths and so that's what I see. When I see a wall of flowers I was like? That's kind of an insult somebody that to their housewarming. Like your house stinks. Yeah exactly so so mike is like he's fussing around this bouquet. He fusses around it like the rest of the episode. Every time they cut the MIC. I feel like he's like back inside around the UK digging inside of it. Trying to find the card. I mean he's like rotating thing he's poking inside his head isn't it like there is no card just is wondering if he's making sure there's not a card so when he takes credit for sending those flowers somebody else doesn't catch him. You know very very positive flowers. Yeah it's like servants anthem will never even mention it again. Chevron's like hey over some flowers you like the flowers hours those are my flowers. Clarify it into it so then residents. I Love Paulina. She dresses impeccably. She has great jewelry. Look at that. It's Sukuzi Mambo. Look at that it's a Hoochie coochie amount by add on all the brands. He's saying I like. Yeah that's the way to raise his heart. I have a lot of money. He's like well based Nice to so then gee-gee shows up and she has an l.. Package balloon so you know what honestly I like the pack. A balloon more than that two under fifty dollars bouquet that Mike got to probably even more. It was a huge like just an. I'll pack a balloon. That's all I needed anyone's ever wondering if anyone ever wants to send me a floral arrangement enjoyment don't can't be something giant. Give me an pack a balloon. I'll be huge right now guys Jason Sheikh Berry on all PAC trend. I I mucha pitch so yeah so Jiro this Alpaca Balloon. And it's like her. It's like her. Her are olive branch and so she sees Raza. And everything's Nice. There's like like Oh thank you. So much for this Super Super Techie. The vessel for the second fit in perfectly here and everything seems nice and they walk in the backyard and terms and she said I'm leaving. I'm leaving vink. Turns believe we asked us. She's furious with him because he was acting like he was so helpful with her with her. Who Saab Business? But then she starts. I hearing that Sherman is getting involved in the CBD's space and she feels betrayed. I mean come on it's like everybody selling. CB I know. I think you're allowed to get mad about that. Yeah also especially since he's done nothing with your business like literally nothing. Has she done. I'M GONNA look it up. My mom assuming she saw nothing the point is everyone's doing cd and like you guys can both be on the CD. I'm I understand being a little annoyed to be honest. I don't think it's the now I don't think it's the worst offense in the world. I don't think I would leave a party because of it but I would definitely be annoyed. Well isn't he an investor. Isn't that what he does. Yeah so maybe. She's annoyed that he didn't invest in her company. I wonder why he wouldn't after her wonderful performance at the Brennan Summit on her website website. Now we saw dot com. And it's her just smoking up close up of. Gt Smoking. Close up of digi holding weed. 'cause up of GD taking off sunglasses. Well either way. Did you want to leave and resume begs her. Stay because he wants to be back in good place and and now it is like the ceremonial I'm going to be nice to G G speech. That happens every other season so we get resume saying listen. I still love. You want the best for you. I know we're not talking right now. But you like family like you know like I do better when you're more president life then when you're more like a random away friends so like I mean if a bitch loses fifty pounds in the forest and there's no Digi it to the bitch ever really lose fifty pounds. I ask you event. And she's like we don't get along because we're the same you know we lose our temper and we act like assholes to each other so how about instead of doing that we team up and use our negative of energy against everybody else and he's like we would like to think I have more sugary me and it's only from fruits now because their natural but still and she's like no you're you're you're evil too it's like the bloods and the crips joining up. Lets join up. And he's made good. She said some song lyrics but no she says it's like the bloods. The crips uniting nine for Nipsy Hustle. nipsy yeah please please pregnancy hustle onto this. This is not the same so then Nima and Paulina are talking. And he's like oh I see your tat to see like tattoos. And she's like well. I have one on the side that I tried to cover. It's like how are you trying to cover that you were wearing like and beautiful by the way. But she's wearing like addresses just like totally cut on the side so that her tattoos shows please oh she. She is very eager to get a wedding date tattoo. And she says she's which is by the way very sheena Paulina's giving us like Persian Sheena at the moment because she's like well I really want what data to and like we're GonNa get married within the next year. Sounds like very excited and we're going to have a little child named Madison Marie. Mike Shoe had parks so so I should say so so She is like super aggressive about getting married. And she's like it's us to till death. This is the man I want to spend the rest of my life with serving just goes. That's amazing yeah. Good luck with that. And they're like cheers like this awkward tears because she's like it's just I asked until death ray tells grade so then G G is standing at the bar with me and she just sees him coming starts cracking backing up his teeth and emas like yeah we. We've gone from being friends with benefits. Now we're just like friends who'd branch that's called French. French brought by the way trademark name. We're GONNA make a new brand celebrating front so keep an eye out for that the next summit but they're not even they never even did hook up so he's like we we were like we were friends who could have had a lot of sex and our friends who could go to branch like That's like a coulda that's like anyone's La Brunch could've been could've could've could've brunch could've so then that party then it turns into charades and which is weird because this is not the sort of party you'd think that'd be charade because everyone's dressed nicely and destiny is doing some charade of Pogo rustic. And in the background. You See Kevin Lee and he just looked so befuddled and disgusted like. Did I really lower my standards to this that I really do party planning for charades party acting out of Pogo stick and only get it totally. MTV gets mad that serve and guesses it no fair no fair you still test for me so then the you know the closer or the answers are what you think they are. It's like pogo stick. Hasim Beauty Cau- puppies through so Mike is inside looking at those flowers again Insisted on a car. And there's no car and destiny's listen and something was brought to me and I just need to bring it up with Raza. The other day he said there was a board game died and it was drip Jane Guy. Oh my God get another clip of Allie tattle tailing Allen outside. We will outside. You see poor innocent. WHO's oblivious to all this happening and he's just going Pollino Paulino we know which makes it good surveyed and servants like? Let me guess orgasm a hey let me get this one okay. She's she's moving her hands around recently wearing the wearing date. Is it wedding date trees. You're going to be able to him. If he ever strays. Okay got it. She's holding a knife and killing short person so then Mike is like well. Listen to me if you were dating a guy and he had girls over one and When you were gone he played strip poker with them? What would you think sick? I I cut his dick off which I at this point. I just thought it was funny that she has so many words for Dick in this episode. She said like Dick Dangling being dual zone Balu zoom belt forgot the name but I was like man. She's like just whipping out all all the Dick Words today. You know what I say about that lately because she does say that because mocks in he's just going to check in on the boy they say that and Celta don't they aren't they aren't they. Oh yeah there's there's one guy I says boy I think so Mike is like Adam passes right by them talking shit about him. He's like. Hey Hey this friends over and Resume comes in and his resume resume. Let's go to the front go to. Let's go to the dirty yard still and he's like what what is wrong. What could ever be wrong? Okay Raza you're like approach to me and so even though I learned this gossip I'm GonNa tell it to you now because I'm GonNa because women can't be trusted to gossip so I'll tell you the gossip as if it were my own to tell you cooler. Coon supposedly Allie Allie has been getting weird text messages from Adan with a sexual undertone to Dick Pic. That is not a sexual edito sexual tone Hoon at best overtone at most okay. I'm messing up my words. The point is but then Mike goes. I mean I told her I told her he text me the same sort of shit but he's funny like that. I think. Wait what Adam Sex Mike. I think. They're probably fucking with each other because when they when he walked in Mike was is grabbing grabbing and stuff you know so he's probably like joke like that all the time. So maybe that's what Ali was saying. There's no reason to freak out and the destiny is like. Yeah but he had people ever to play Jenga and they were naked. Also to that. We're up now. Hashtag bitch be wanting to cry right now. I thought he was oddly. Calm and I feel feel like Raza when when someone says something about reser like the time when Jesus said that she has sex tape reser and he was like bitch bitch just sexy about me. Maybe she confused me with someone else because bitch fifty pounds unrecognizable now but now he's like Oh that is okay. I will ask Adam to find out everything is okay. This is weird. Yeah it's weird. I think he is either thinking he's GonNa kick his ass right began tailing or how's he going to sell this to the public now that it's on tv like what the fuck does resin care. You know he's probably like nears. But How am I gonNa Alba's with Adam again just planned this whole season you know like what do I do now. Who knows time we're too and Mike's like Y- okay? You get it. We had to tell you because you're a friend and that's what we do we when each other's lives on camera so maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's nothing. No you should always tell me and let me decide so yeah well we should approach it from a place of your okay and remember assuming that was love and remember destiny told him not not me and they'll start laughing yeah and Desi literally goes void. Just trying to cry right ooh I might have ruined the relationship and wants to be a part of that like well. You're third seen about it so they work so hard for marriage carriage and I had to be the Messenger. That sucks that marriage up. I'm like have they worked so hard for the marriage. I mean they mowed the lawn ineffectively. Yeah I mean we backers. Then everybody's gone and Adam Wanders over to Raza. Who's doing that like? I'm not even going to say hello to you going to be on my food food. So then Adam join him on the couch and just kind of looks to them and like now what you know were you playing Strip Jenga here or at at some other place and Adam spacing for our most. Yeah Adam looks like he's been the president of America for the because they always we say being the President Ages You you know twenty years or something and Poor Adam just looks like Oh my God. I'm exhausted I know to be continued. All the all the butterflies have like their hand their hands over their masks. Not Can we talk about this once. I put on a sweater. Can we not discuss in front of the butterflies and that brings at the end of some shelves sunset. Yeah tomorrow. We're going to be back with a double below deck day we're GonNa have below deck reunion and below decks sailing yacht. Aw Hashtag below below deck sailing. That's what the official Chicago's he's wondering. Because I asked on our instagram. What the Hashtag I guess but as officially below deck sailing? We're GONNA be back with that and we have a new city that we're announcing tomorrow so stay tuned and have a wonderful evening everyone by by.

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Special Report: Charles Mruz on Gamemaster (2020)

The Projection Booth Podcast

29:15 min | 5 months ago

Special Report: Charles Mruz on Gamemaster (2020)

"There has never been a better time to go make a game. The first time you get to hold something you make in your hands that's feeling these are Scott spoke of great idea s I. Think I'm up to about thirty now. We're in the middle of a tabletop renaissance it's a three billion dollar industry and every year it grows. Mme was always inspired by stories and a paper to the to the game. When I realized that game I get kind of Patani on from the kind of. A dumb. Freedom. There's conventions in wards, and now independent designers can get into the action without game publishers because of the invention of things like crowdfunding. I looked at that whole ecosystem and I thought Oh man I wanNA play to. Originally our goal on kickstarter was okay. Let's try to raise ten thousand dollars will be our goal we hit that in seven minutes. The first thing you can do is a game designer is foreign mouth. Designs not work. I'm put in the unenviable position of people coming to me and saying this is my grandchild and I say, well, let me tell you about your grandchild. I would say we went through hundreds of versions of exploding kids, and every time we test it out and find another three things that we must up. Like, a fourteen fifteen year. Old Kid Clean Dean D. would like some fifty year old lady really colorful characters of all sexes all backgrounds on. There was always the expectation that has a young Pakistan girl I would get married by the time I'm twenty. That's why I'm always trying to create work that can make the world better place. If it hadn't been board games, I remember in the streets with a lot of other knuckleheads. To get as much creative output as you can out there ninety nine percent of the we're gonNA suck but there's always a little nuggets jill learn until something comes up. I'm hoping that with this game, someone else will be inspired to be like I can break free to. Main. Thing that I want is to be in this industry. Will Play Games. Then we don't need any game designers anymore and the world would be certainly much said. A LOT OF FUN Welcome to a special episode of the Projection Booth I'm your host. Mike White on this episode I am talking to Charles Moore's the Director of Game Master a twenty twenty documentary that is available. Now on most streaming platforms, all about the production meaning and making of games I highly recommend this documentary. It is definitely worth a look and I hope you enjoy the interview. Tell me A. Little bit more about you and especially how you got into filmmaking I grew up in Minneapolis That's actually where I, where I am at the moment as we speak coincidentally but I, grew up minneapolis I got into filmmaking it because this is interesting. I haven't really told this story I went to Film School in Minneapolis Minneapolis. College, but not to film school the head of the. TV Board. Came in to speak and he actually told this story about how you know filmmaking and this is around somewhere in the early two thousands. Making was kind of like the garage band of the nineties you know everybody in the nineties had a garage bands. For years and it seemed like everybody around that time was trying to be a filmmaker director do something in film that analogy it was right on the money because I think a lot of it had to do with the independent wave of the mid nineties like pulp fiction like clerks were two hugely influential movies for me personally. But you know a lot of movies came before that for some people and that's What. Did for that probably sex lies and videotape is one that allows people point to say you know why can't I do something like that? This seems achievable and for me the movie that I saw were afterwards I was like Oh my God I'm pretty sure I can do that was movie called Schalken Buck which was written by Mike, White not you of course, but you know the other Mike. White. It was shot on the Canon exit one. So shot video and there transferred to film, but it still looked good. It's still looked like a movie felt like a movie but it was something that was so achievable about it and I loved every second of it. This was laws and film school but you know it was it was movies like those that really got me into filmmaking. After you graduated what were those initial gigs like did you stick around Minnesota or did you move someplace else? So I stuck around Minnesota I. Guess I. Had the idea of you know I'm GonNa try to write may make an independent feature I did one of those things you know the former? At some point I realized hey, I gotta I gotTa move to La because that's where things happened I always say if you WanNa if you WanNa build yachts you gotta go where yachts are built and the proverbial yachts are built in Los Angeles in this case I went to Los Angeles to check it out you know I was potentially going to Grad School I looked at the Peter Stark program and they applied to be in that of a USC they promptly rejected me. Hit to I think toured AF I might have toured UCLA I might not of but while I was there, I, actually reconnected with a friend One of my one of my friend's fathers who lived in Minnesota. School and high school with this guy and his dad was he worked in the film. Industry. MINNESOTA. And he was making A. Documentary about Willie Nelson Willy Nelson Concert Documentary. It has yet to be released. It was directed by Billy Bob Thornton and we reconnected talked about the old neighborhood you know talked about much different stuff. Any kind of said, Hey, what are you doing if you wanna you WANNA stick around for a while you can work on this documentary and I, was like, yes, sure a will and you know So that, that was kind of my first real. Thing in Los Angeles as far as like working on an actual production. In, between then and now there was a lot of years of not really doing anything like that between now and then there was a lot of years of trying to get different projects off the ground in you know a lot of a lot of scripts that probably didn't go as far as wanted them to. You know just just like a lot I'm sure a lot of other people. Can relate to those statements but the thing that is the most valuable and both on a personal level and a professional level was I spent those years meeting people making relationships and eventually made a movie with a bunch of them but you know all the dudes that a of people that have made a movie with the reason that we decided to make a movie together because we were. Counting all the time you know, and these are some of my closest friends in and actually in life right now. So that was wonderful to have this experience for them. So yeah, let's talk about gay master. How did this subject for broach itself in your life? There's two waves of this story. You know one starts in Minneapolis, I had a bunch of board game friends here, and we played a bunch of European Games and. my game group here was the one that introduced me to this new prior to that. I only played like scrabble monopoly, all the American classics and this New Wave of games. Like the first one, I played with Carcassonne. I absolutely loved it, and it was it was more than what I thought. A board game could be and more than I knew what it was at that time. and. In another game that played a really big role in in the making of this movie is a game called Puerto Rico and I feel like I. played that a lot in Minnesota and then moved to La had met some people and after a few years. See Puerto Rico in the closet a bringing out, and we start playing that they can like a I did in Minneapolis. The La People now, and you know we played that constantly and then that kind of evolved into going to some of the local conventions actually producer Jimmy Nolan who's producer on master who has also produced two documentaries prior to this one called runners Barista he at the convention came across this Guy Selling, a board game that he made in published himself I, think it was called parenthood. Right and the guys like, Hey, in this game, you know it's about being parents on parents and kind of gave him the pitch in Jimbo the game I'm not sure that we ever played it but. He saw that whole experience like there's there's something ear and he brought. That means that. I think we should documentary about this and I was like, yeah. Okay. Let's do it. Also say that the all of the playing games and everything like that. Prior to that moment, it's important because it's like it it both confirmed and also fueled a love that we had for the subject and he knew from making memories prior that you have to have that for your subject we can make documentary because it is. So it takes so long like no matter how Long it takes at ear to because that's how long it's GonNa take documentaries. It is a marathon and if you don't absolutely love and have a passion for yourself, you're going around a steam sweat year was this that you went to this convention I think the year that makes the convention well, see it's hard to say this because it's a local thing that happens three times. A year so we'd been multiple times, but I think when he bought the game was other two, thousand and fifteen thousand sixteen I'm sure you as a filmmaker you have to know how to pitch and that whole idea of the Games you have seen in game master that feels like going in front of exempts and pitching an idea and having all of your paraphernalia having that. Hothouse key book of Dune, or whatever just all of those things where you're like, I can do this. So I'm sure that you must have felt a little bit of kinship with these game makers. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know it's when we got more and more into the game industry. It was remarkable. How many similarities there were two you know the film industry, there are four game agents. Publishers are like distributors. The way royalties were just just a person with an idea or. You're just trying to get someone to help you turn that into reality. There are so many similarities between independent filmmaking and board game design. So yeah, absolutely we did feel like ship to these people probably one of the reasons that I'm so close with a lot of the people I talked with documentary even that idea of the award that is given out that gets put on the box feels very much like. Winner of two Academy Awards or the Laurel leafs are those kinds of things absolutely that award it you say the documentaries. So the order talking about is called the Spiel. Jars that award on your box means you're going to sell two, hundred, two, hundred and fifty, thousand copies probably more I know people go back and they say, Oh, what one this year maybe I should pick that up not only does it give you a giant booster sales upfront but it extends the life of your game it potentially infinitely I'm very curious where you found your protagonists because you have such. Just, very distinct characters and I know the real but just characters in this film, define them at different points in their career. As I go through this, they're different struggles, I mean I. It's such a wonderful cast of characters. The way that we found the main people you know one of the bits of advice that I have. Given. People who've asked me like how do you do? This is a go to where the people are doing the thing that you you WanNa talk about and ask questions and listen things and you know we went to some of the local conventions. Where the people are and poked around and there we looked at the people who had a game that they made themselves and just talk about it. I have said. I asked everybody who I spoke with. A couple of questions like to at least two in it was tell me about your game and why did you make it? And you know based on what they said it it. Turned into a longer conversation usually over the phone but I tried really hard to find examples of four games that came from within the person within the designer. One of the goals of the movie was to kind of illustrate how board games could be a form of personal expression. Know kind of like a song novel a film you know. This. is their way of expressing their experiences or ideas or or whatever, and so if when we were talking to people, we looked specifically for people who had something that was personal to them. Something that you know if it were made by another person who to speak you know completely different. The first guy we found of those four was actually Charlie big the person who did tracking the national parks in the first edition, his father took all the pictures. His parents were visiting national parks. It seemed like something that was so of him Put this guy he was just cleared. It was right away. I was like I can't believe. We found him on the first day, and I couldn't believe that we found him does like Geez. Am I missing something areas is going to be this easy the whole time and I wasn't missing something but it was also not that easy the all time. With Jason Jason's Owens Scott Rogers. They both live in the surrounding area, their regular goers of strategic on. Them Up. It was clear that they also had a personal story in their game came from within them. You know obviously Noshir Balagamwala like it's just undeniable. How much that gave lives inside her but the way we found her, it wasn't by going convention. The way we found here is actually really interesting and it was. You know one of the things that almost didn't happen with this documentary it's so funny to put it in perspective because. Of because she's such a big part of it, and for for think about doing all these interviews for doing all the press for this to think about how this was really close to not happening man. I can't even I can't imagine what the film would be like without her but the story is that we're driving across country to interview a bunch of people for the movie. End. Cruiser, wellish Ross his parents live in Connecticut. So we were stationed in Connecticut and I was you know working. At A. Coffee Shop that day trying to go questions for the upcoming week and looking over some of the stuff we already had. Came across this article about Noshir Balagamwala a week. Prior to this, I had said to produce lies Ross. You know while what we really need is a female pse who's got a new game who has a personal story is also good on camera but I I'm pretty sure that person doesn't exist. and. That I saw her, you know saw her this article as it. Okay. How do I get this person to be in the documentary? So spent a couple of hours trying to get it on the phone emailing her calling her trying to just talked to her for a second is if if you turns me down I don't want it to be because she wanted to be person. Finally, you know I get it on the phone I tell who we are like you perfect for this movie. I convince her that I'm not a crazy person. Later I find out. She told me that I didn't do that great of a job of convincing her of that but. But I get her to agree to be in the documentary and I say great and she said but I should tell you something and I go okay and she says my visa is expiring in two days. So I am leaving the country in two days and I say, okay where the country are you this is I'm in Brooklyn said I'm in Connecticut I will see you tomorrow and so we drove down the next day and interviewed her. Then, we left the next day. She packed up her stuff in my back to Pakistan for a while the flip side of that. The funny thing is that she later told me that she was not sure that we weren't there to robber. It wasn't until we brought thousands upon thousands of dollars of camera equipment in their apartment that she's like, okay. Maybe they're not here to rob me I? Think this is okay. Elaborate robbery posing as a documentary crew gives new ideas to some of some people out there he has she is critical to the documentary but everything it feels like you have created to use aiming metaphor. You've created the Jenga Tower of these different people and any piece that's missing could make topple the editing in this thing is fantastic. The way that you will cut with the rise and the fall of the action just such a good job with that. Thanks I have to give a lot of credit to the editor. John Berry integral piece you know he is. You say it's Jenga Tower he's a he is at the bottom of the Jenga. Tower he's you know a massive piece of this whole thing I a lot of that. He and I spent hours just talking about the philosophy of the movie Kinda like the tone what was at the heart of it you know. so He's a big. He's a big part of why the movie is what it is. Well. Tell me a little bit more about your crew who when you're driving down to, Brooklyn. Who are you taking with you and who are you working with the most Lawley Shos? WHO's one of the producers on the movie he and I and? One of the people who shot on the film director Photography Michael Cox Three of US drove across the US and later. We all three of us would also drive across Germany and with the addition of wellish. Ross's wife. Kristen. The three of us, and also later the four of us spent a lot of time in closed quarters together. Both those experiences though I mean? For. Me Probably the most work and also the most fun for the entire project. Used spend a lot of time talking about kickstarter and even have a representative in there. especially talking about exploding kittens did you end up having to crowdfunding until? No, we didn't. So Jimmy Jimmy. Dan was one of the producers on the film he the two movies that I said he worked on prior both of those went through a kickstarter in we throw around the idea of doing kickstarter and he was like guys I gotTa tell you if we can figure out how to do this kickstarter I would I would prefer not to. Go through that experience again, not because he had a bad experience, both of those movies got funded but just because is so I think living in that thirty day period where you don't know if the movie's GonNa Fund or not is just so like wrenching. Every single day probably up until like day twenty, nine or thirty you wake up and you haven't met yet because most of those, most of those get met in the last two or three days. So you know for at least twenty, six, twenty, seven days you're like, Oh, my God is going to happen is it's going to happen and then in his case both times it did but. He of said if he can, he can avoid feeling like that for twenty six days in a row he probably would rather. So we took his advice and we didn't do it. I really liked that pie chart that you animate in there of what piece you actually get of the Pie at the end of the day that was very effective. A lonely creator of exploding Kittens co-creator should say. Spoken, about a lot end. One of the questions that comes up where the you know what questions you get estimates. He said everyone thinks we made nine million dollars because that's how much exploded kittens raised and you know he really broke down what the truth of the matter was and as well. You know this is this is important to know I think this is a misnomer for a lot of people out of people think like you know you make this much money on kickstarter in rich, but really if you even break down the name of the website. KICKSTARTER, it is to kickstart not just a product, but in his case, a company and probably a hundred percent of that money went into the creation of his company, and that's one of the reasons his company is going like very, very strong I. mean it doesn't seem like it but exploding kittens is a self published game. I mentioned that you're working the whole time while you're also doing this documentary is that a fair assumption not only? Is it a fair assumption? It is an accurate assumption. Yeah. I had a day job I at a couple of restaurants during this whole process because I had to quit one in order to leave the country for three weeks and they were like, maybe don't come back and I said, okay we'll find another job. You know it was funny because a friend of mine asked me was the like Hito doing this documentary while working a day job and I said you know it's it's a real interesting. Experience because yesterday, I got to live out my dream of the writing feature film and today I have to mop floor. It's nice because it keeps you going keeps you humble. So tell me about the first time that you get to see the finished product with an audience. What was that like in? When was that? So we are in an interesting time because I saw a rough cut with audience it happened at ten am on like a Saturday. And it went. Okay. But I think if we had. Shown them the same movie at Seven PM PM it probably would have went better because I think everybody was tired and not in the mood to watch documentary at that time I did however have a lot of one on one conversations with a lot of the people at that at that screening anybody who is willing to talk to me you know I, talked to them for a while and just kind of pick their brain and how they felt about things and I got a lot of valuable information from that. because. Of the situation that we're in in the world, that is the only time that I've ever seen it with audiences and so it's not the final cut I hope to in the future, but it's kind of unknown at the moments. So. Did you do like festivals or anything or did you just say that's it straight to like Amazon streaming we didn't do any festivals. We entered a couple and we got a nice rejection letter from few of them in I found out as making this and even with trying to get a a a distributor that you people think of documentaries genre but there's lots of sub genres within. The Genre of documentary sports, documentaries, competition documentaries, bio-pics or bio documentary to say true crime. That's a very popular one and it wasn't about how good the documentary was it was it was about like what sub-genre? Documentary, fit into and so we didn't really have a lot of luck with the festival circuit in an a certain point we had an offer and you know offer with Gravitas and. We. Take it in. So we just. We never went the festival route of all the games that you probably. Em- played throughout the this experience. What was the most fun for you? So Games just as much as the game itself it about enhancing the people that you play with When we interviewed toy the creator of sellers time, he was kind enough to give me a board game that I'd never played before it that he had won the game of the word for which is called hoity-toity. We were on a ferry overnight ferry from Sweden to Germany and and producer Wallis Russ direct star Mike and while his wife Kristen. We stayed up on this on this ferry in the common area planes. Board game until very late at night. And I've talked to everybody said we all look back at that night just like how fun the experience was just in this moment of a free time even though we spite into the we hours of the night everybody off energy and it was just it. It was a it was a good time. Just as much as it is about the game that you're playing it is about the people that you're playing with. So what's next for you? What are you working now I've got a lot of various projects in different stages of development. Some are narrative summer non narrative eventually show being kicked around unfortunately. So many of these things are just in such beginning stages that a I can't really talk about them a lot. You know I know that's that's a terrible answer I wish I could say. Next. Year starting production on the next thing in. Soon. Just I wouldn't be able to at this point because of everything's going on in the world but you know as soon as it lets up, but we're not even at that stage yet. So to talk about anything, it's just too early to talk about anything, Charles. Moore's thank you so much for your time. This has been wonderful. It's been wonderful for me to thank you. S Jewelry. And let show. Own. Hey. You. letcher south. The. Again. Again. Off.

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The Mandalorian Ep 4, Marvels on Stitcher

Nuff Said: The Marvel, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, and Comics Fan Podcast

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The Mandalorian Ep 4, Marvels on Stitcher

"This episode of Nuff said is brought to you by tweaked audio get awesome headphones. Good tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime warranty not or you can get there through the link on our website. Southgate Media Group dotcom started. Oh boy and welcome once again to super connected. I'm your host Charlie. The professor with me as the bomber from the Fifth Phil Film in Pairs Welcome have view and little Luca in the background. I Love I love his voice on that lunatics lunatics the Cape and the lowest. Yes well because his daddy's the Cape so he knows he knows him. That's that's anti Lilla. He's he's like yes. I shouldn't Il-il should've had him say an percent percents. Yes I know. I'm silly zoe does. It actually isn't a local behind you but it's not in our like written anyway. But but you know speaking of Luca I just just wanted to for those of you who listen you hear like me yelling at trysted in connection brief specific reason why do that You know I actually actually feel that. It's very important to me whenever my kids asked me like some kind of ridiculous questions that I wanNa make sure at least answer them or show. The that I'm not dismissing is missing their questions because those just like one of these things are Mimi Sam facebook influence you for the rest of your life and it was just one of these names that said you know when your kid wants to talk to you about something. You're not interested in when they're a kid. You should engage them because at some point in their life. They're gonNA WANNA talk to you about something that that you will be interested in as teenagers. You know And you'll want them to know that they can come to you then too so I try to be so those of you. Who questioned my parenting style Phil Tyler no question. There is a reason. Why am that like you know directing open and communicative with my kids? Because I just I want them to know when they get harder questions that I'm still here. So yes sometimes. We'll talk about whether or not amethyst artists are truly rare stones. You know or not and sometimes they just talk about you know a sex so anyway I had a problem. I completed on this podcast. I know you wouldn't feel the judgment call the tax. Oh goodness you know But where am I now. Okay so speaking of gay sex I did want to touch back on watchman because for those of who listen to our last broadcast. Who Watches the WHO podcasts? The watchman We were discussing this interesting turn of events where he s a major character was revealed to be African American and their an internet. And what actually this is. This is what breaking the Internet because the Internet got broken because yelling. What is the Internet's the working your broken because this clearly this is breaking Internet looks like because the Internet is supposed to be a venue for people to yell nonsense at one another and yet people were respectful? Ah Quiet about this episode and yes I was GonNa say again you think maybe is haunted justice. Not that will noma the character or I mean we haven't really had any instances of him taking off his mask. You know what I mean. Yes or my or my being too logical for racism You're being way too logical races. It's really is nick fury that that important of a character that yet we still get people people upset that they made him black in comic books. I still yeah. Yeah well yes still. You'll get those people who for whom Harper Carpool David. Hasselhoff is only Nick Fury. I think she's gone record. Ones request that concept. Oh yes right now no Well actually but you know 'cause you know you know my pet my pet peeve. Is that no one complains about blue rider. And if you were this we know because every racist always says I'm not a racist. I'm just you know I want to be honoring the intention of the artists. You know and you can say what you will about intentions of the artist. I honestly don't think Alan Moore or Dave. Gibbons that hooded justice was going to be a black man you know now Honestly I actually think that. The clan references in hooded justices costume in the original. David Givens Alan Moore working of it probably related much more to Alan. Moore's view hope superheroes says white power symbols turning it on on its head reversing it which again we said in packets. Selectmen is kind of the American tradition that people can put out stuff but that because we are such such a diverse society other we were GONNA put up their own story to counteract them to give a counter narrative and that is what I think what. this watchmen series. Very much is but I think that there comes a point where something comes off as being so good that that very small aw vocal group can't gain traction and I would add enough. I think there's actually falls to Blue Coorg as well. Lukewarm was such a beloved character By documents that you just looking to gain traction if you wanted to die on that hill if you wanted to die on this hill first off. They're going to be people who said I up. We love the character And actually with that one. It's just it's just the love of the character. Everyone loved blue. Quirky was hilarious. I now granted nothing like the Gordon. The Comic Books Corgan the comic books is not a wisecracking hipster and really in many ways. I would say that if you wanted to Diana Dinah helps you probably had the most comic book Lore there stand him to say that blue court really is offensive but he was just so well not And I think that when you look at this watchman episode what you get is this reality that yes kinetically. They never actually said he was a white. Like you know his costume definitely has these. You Know Clinton tropes but that make more sense especially because he's a black footed bigger for the concept that we put forward And just the idea that yeah you know maybe there is more to this story than than people people want to admit. I think that when a story gets really well done. It's very well reviewed. You know that these small voices get stomped stomped out you know. Yeah I just do you think maybe our comic book nerd culture is evolving and then but then the the general all public. Maybe who screech about. This Moore aren't as familiar with hooded justice and Coorg so they're like oh well maybe they will know that there's anything different about them. I mean I guess I mean. That's that's certainly an argument from what I like this conspiracy theories crap everywhere so the racist were relying on evidence. Pizza Gate wouldn't be thing I mean that's sort of that's sort of. That's where it goes I if we're not people if people were actually secured about resident Evidence and relevancy. I will make a lot more sense than it actually does think I'm just saying with those characters. Maybe the majority of races. I don't know they were in any other way in the started. Just like Oh yeah well but then the people mad that oh it was another black superhero. You didn't know 'cause not for nothing. Sister never existed. People were already all over sister night. Big oldies social. The justice lawyers. Black people are getting all mad about stuff but the fact is this is a new character. Her and it's not stepping on. Your watchmen history. You know they're being. His argument was an OH. Why are people in the clan liking workshop? And then you don't really know what to say because it's like I don't know why did they like Pepsi the Frog it's no matter how you want to feel like Wpro wasn't a racist until someone doing it you know this wasn't really racist icon until someone doing it. You know it is ours now we're racist and we're claiming it's like why. Why do you have to clan things that aren't yours so Yeah so no. I think that I think that you have after look at how when something is truly a quality product really silently in a way that I don't think is it's something that we're used to on the Internet you know and maybe I think you know for what it's worth. Even though there are studies to say no the more the more reason and and quality of argument you bring subject. The less people believe you. I liked that's not actually true. And let me give you an example. So so you have this situation when they do these tests on You know how people hold onto their beliefs where they bring Yahu number one in Yahoo who number two in and Yahoo one believes acts in Yahoo. Why believes why were to believes y you know so they can be diametrically opposed posed? But then you give them evidence that the idea they believe is wrong and then they say so. How long have you believe in this? These people doubled down on the original beliefs. But but this is in this way I will say this in a close circle environment where I know I I'm giving you social judgments about what you actually believe so you believe something you're coming in. You're saying I believe I'm GonNa give you evidence that refutes that you now now and we'll answer your points and now are you going to accept my points. Essentially declare me the winner thereby lowering your social standing or will will you instead Except my brilliance. Which of course immediately when you say that out loud you realize Oh? There's a huge fun that that that that AH analysis logically if you wanted to do a proper double blind of that. Study what you would be doing is you would be having anonymous. People giving their opinion randomly way selecting those people to get new evidence to argue their point and then again randomized. who gets asked the question again to see what the changes are? And then you might see a lot more evidence of things moving forward because if people who had true anonymity they are going to respond respond differently. This is one of these things I think when you look at the trump The trump holes. Where he's he's always at forty percent say yes because they're calling the same people and their because they have this feel like you using people that a participate in surveys embi admitted to voting for trump? And now they're known to be people who've been End Voted for trump. And then when you start calling them of course they're going to say yes. I still support trump one one hundred percent one hundred percent because you know who they are. That doesn't mean outside of that moment. They aren't in there. They aren't in that in that perspective and again you're looking at again a self selecting group where they after the election after he got elected they'll probably a lot more trump supporters that stopped being trump supporters when they realize oh that did not go the way I wanted to. You know it was all well and good when it was just theoretical I was making my protests against the man Dan. Now it's not where I wanna be and so I think that these are these are qualities that the inaccuracy of polling when you actually do not have truly anonymous Sample and again. An entity goes to the person responding not your actual knowledge of their status Addis so for example a person who gets called and asked did you vote for trump when they already know that someone just called him and said did you vote for trump and they made it may truly be anonymous to the person taking the survey but to the person receiving it they feel like someone is calling them because they know who they are and now they have to defend their position. So I don't even know how we got on this topic. Lupulosa talk about what's Marvel's ISSUR. Okay I am so so excited about this. I'm like I'm like I like two paychecks away from spending thirty five dollars for a year subscription to this. I gotta be honest with without hoops. I met her do. I could do the four ninety nine per month. I hate doing that because people work so hard on all of this. I don't want to shortchange that. They have a trial period or something. It's a week which would give me one episode which is Great. But you know it's like just listening to it because it did like will ruin the long way you know what the problem is Philip. Hello I'm also in that he's going to do like we did with Wolverine. Were a month later. I'M GONNA get for free with commercials. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's what I was one night commercials and I'd rather than just put good content. It's like Hulu or to give me good content with commercials. I will be happy. It reminds Manzoor little. How how are you can pay extra to not have commercials? Just give me two content with Marshall. I don't mind it. I wonder if that was like the business plan. Always is the like you know do this way and then release. It was commercials for free later or if they were just like they looked at wolverines. It wasn't doing the numbers they went in there like. Okay let's put it out for free. He's always it's going to you know what the problem is I think they that's right so so I think Margot actually could possibly cause it's an adaptation taste of an existing property dealing with a lot of great characters that people love. I think that has a real straight to actually being in exclusive content for a bit longer. I think Wolverine because it was you know pretty much just wolverine who was very popular ocular in the nineties. It was very popular in the night. He's he's still relatively popular. He's a well known character. I don't know if he has the dedicated fan base. That it's is GonNa make you want to pay for it especially since it's a non X men story. Yeah and really. It's it's not an X.. Men Non the hand. I mean that first this one I mean I guess we got a window. Maybe kinda sort. Yeah we got we got. We got sort of a window in it. You know we got. We got the shield agents although. I think that we're actually weapon x agents or now they're sentinels but it's all you know it was all it was all very very left handed. How they did it in very much to sort of not not turn into the curve of the comic looking of pro you left his up there? I'm sorry will often used as a pejorative one. Racism left so then season two. You Got Gambit you know. Character can't get off the ground around so well. No but at least that was tying into the x acknowledging. Oh yeah this is the whole expert universe basically they just turn back into the skit for that and we didn't sell the first time maybe we should totally Cambridge on. And then I think we're going to marvel's I think that's what they're looking at. Let's just let's just take an established concept which is looking at all of the heroes and the first one. Is You know which I could get for free and that free week is coming up You know so you know. That's right in my wheelhouse right eight. Were going to be happy as and I would love to get it and it's like you know I can do the free one but it's like I'm I'm afraid to in its own way to you know I'm afraid to in. Its own way too because I don't want to and two levels one is I don't have. I don't WANNA be spending cash. They don't have yet and to I don't want to pay for it and then have free later. Exactly that's that's what I thought when they started putting Wolverine Opera free. I'm like why don't you be mad if you paid the premium and then started coming out for free if you don't mind commercials Marshal's like we do because what it is you pay the premium put a no commercials. Yeah and so. When Wolverine comes out it is with commercial so you get the idea? Have you know I. I just don't WanNA listen to commercial. So it doesn't matter to me I paid to have. We'll bring no commercial. You know And I really think it's one of those things where it because it isn't the first time you're making that purchase that it might great with you but I guess if you had already bought you know no commercial podcasting casting it would be fun but if you're a person who doesn't mind commercials and you're already into commercial podcasting that now pay to have these to get this one bit of content free not content without commercials you know it kind of makes you wonder what am I. I don't like that. You have exclusive content. Basically and I know what they're trying to they're trying to I think they need to go with Hulu model where it's like looking at it with commercials or without it's going to be the same content on it but it's going to be with commercials without and and you know and it's like this question so so for example and for my own podcasting perspective. Should I spend this money to talk about this. If I don't have anyone talk about it wet because I'm GonNa have an exclusive until my friends all hop on. Listen to it too so yeah I mean it's it's a difficult question them. I'm trying to work through here. But they do have a guy saying X.. clobbering time in the in the ADS. It's like Oh man right in my nerd spot right in my nurse but lot. Oh Anyway But that's Marvel's I mean come you know I'm I'm excited about it. I'm cautious about got it. It'd be with I don't know where. Oh what else is on our agenda. The man delorean. Oh my goodness commander. Laurie and I love yes. Okay so let's talk about our former rebel shock troop. Oh yes in shock trooper issues once called also making me wonder what she's supposed rebellion. What she's supposed to be a part of the empire? 'cause I really got the feeling saying that you know she might have been part of the rebellion but she also maybe a couple of things so we know that she did clean up on indoor right MHM and she makes a point about you know dealing with the imps which makes you wonder what she freaking like clear out the e walks dealing with the MC makes me think that. Oh let's as a abbreviation for imperial truth. That could've been what she was referring to. And then it becomes you know that she's just doing security for the For delegates and that's not what she signed up for I guess he's a social stand. Have to be fair enough fair enough and of course. There's probably a lot of people who happen to follow vampire. Suddenly you know who were maybe mid level bureaucrats the empire now. I've always been whatever their value can give me a job please. I may diplomats so I again we have a situation. We have this really great character. WHO doesn't get to go into the next episode? I know I I was like what she's not going to be in any other episodes but I mean we're already halfway through so I mean there's only four more episodes this season when of course I guess what they're doing is making it organic. Although at this thing and I get the you know what it is I get the feeling. The Mandolin is a bit lonely and he knows if he has this woman with him just the widow woman at the very end. You're touching his mass. He's like lady. You know because I might let you. And that's the thing it's like you might let them. Oh Yeah it's like that is not our way and I think and I think maybe it's like you know a lot of these men. The Lawrence may be born into the faith. He wasn't once again. They you know he told her the story about how you know. His parents were killed when he's pretty young and then the man Delorean took him in. So yeah so it's it's an open question You know I'm I'm fascinated by the idea I'm interested in where it's going but It's a little said that him and maybe and of course again he's known that someone was gonNA come from. Maybe you OUGHTA hear someone finds out they're gonNA come. I guess he thought they were well enough hidden it in but no because they all have crackers trapper. Apparently they have these devices that can track a person across star Cisco. Oh impressive. What do you think about it you know and then it's just like a beep beep beep beep beep really really that simple but it's like crossing over light years I was GonNa say I was GonNa say if you're on another planet what people once every ten minutes or something just beep okay? He's a couple of years. Maybe it's like communicating with your navigation. Corey who knows you know but yeah it just just another great care again only comes around once and it's like a But I guess they didn't pay extra for the people that aren't wearing masks. Oh aw I just I just thought you know I get it with the widow woman but wouldn't you want at least one friend with you to like help. If you are protecting baby ODA ones you one at least one person with you to help protect the kidneys while you're sleeping or something. Yeah I mean although maybe there is the question that he's not sure he can trust her. I mean that's sort of where it comes comes down to for him. It's like you know who can I really trust because you know all of the all of the other. The other guild members now granted he broke the word of the deal. Are you know so. They were justified in their own perspective. On that I don't know it's it's six of one half a dozen But yeah I thought that one one of these people should come along with him before the end but then again you know. He doesn't want the trouble of shipping. You know what's going to be shipping all the time on the Internet if he has a has anybody with them you know. It's you know it's a what did you see. The one scene from this episode is now like a huge name. aimable thing all over the Internet Babe Baby Baby Oh disdain and sipping his soup I don't know anything. Yeah about that when the Laurien. What's her face? Her flight not rolled around on the ground and he's it's or it is just sitting there sipping it soup onto the ball. They referred to several kinds of the masculine pronoun. I thought yeah I feel confident that they have generated Ysmael You know however they tell that with a Yoda. It's so weird because yeah every so often they'll say he or something but I thought there was an a passer where they said she but most of the time. It's like it it. Yeah Yeah and I I. I don't recall them ever using a sheet. I've mostly heard them calling it But then again who knows who. We don't really know the gender of Yoga or they could they have shifting Jenner or just a completely different structure for the vendor. You know it's it's it's an assumption to assume that their gender falling to a clear line you know they could be marsupials for now you know Anyway but that's Iota Goethe and that's a little little as I like to follow him. You know that that's my name. I wanted to act or another great me my saw there. I said Oh here me watching Ironman one back in two thousand eight and it's like baby yoga and then it's like me. Why at the end watching endgame and it's like a picture old? Yoda from return of the Jedi percents. Oh you know you know there's been around You know it's it's it's interesting. Here's one of my favorite things about this episode. It's again getting into mandatory culture. which to me that is like the anthropological discussion of manned? Lawrence is the most expansion being about this to me specifically just the idea that You know the girls. When was the last time that he said yesterday? Did you know because I don't sleep with the mask on you know that'd be really uncomfortable and kind of stupid. When was the last time we took her up in the people any and he says you know when I was a boy you know because once you put on a mask you don't take up? And then later she has so if you take off the mess until you know but if you've ever day you're up you I can't put back on it. You know basically meaning that whoever willingly take off your own mask in front of other people than your apply in your community and they're not going to hunt down and kill you but you will be aside. You know which goes to the entire. You know why they say you know Jenga Imbo Lewinsky Lawrence wore the armor. But they weren't but then again does look like as we're reading into what now the official Canon of manned Loran Culture is that basically they were culture that what subject to a massive genocide by the empire at a cultural genocide as well where their children were taken from them which which again goes to. This idea found you know that men luring children were taking them raised in the empire without their mental lowering culture. So you know the men Roy taking other people's when they find a orphan trial they'll take him in racing roaring so it is very fascinating you know whether or not they weren't worth agenda at war with the empire I think it becomes kind of at this point can be been a moot question You know there are people there were a warlike or like people who unfortunately you know maybe chose the wrong side and all of this stuff but yeah and then of course when we get our little e walkie in battle scene and and I also love the back. It's like again this idea of surplus empire stuff because these are in no way like former Troopers that had the everyone they call that won the two legged walkers they said eighty S. eighteen eighteen but yeah the are the snow Walker. Okay Hey I asked us a four legged ones right okay. That's real heavy armor. These are more for again like maneuvering although again with real difficulty. You know that is that yes it cannot go downstairs. It's like the to go downstairs and again to these. Mercenaries may not been trained properly. And it's used to so yeah although when it gets to the ED it stop. Oh you know what it's dealing with here you know you don't want to go into the water and they got into it so that is that is very fascinating to me. and which is Great. Because they went all eighteen or teaching the farmers like bill booby traps. And how does she walks could take these things out. Yeah he walks vicious and that's another one of the reasons why I got the feeling that maybe when she said she was to clear out the it was like climbing up. He walks because I don't think he walks the the rebellion on their pet. Either this plan man mess. Don't mess with wicketkeeper the reader of debt and you walk in you know or the walks like the native Americans. There's another this can cleared off their land. Yeah well I mean. It wouldn't surprise me. We saw. How well Princess or Queen Dot felt about the gun you know who were clearly the native species before all of these you know impe The galleons or showed up on that planet and then all of a sudden I guess you are Queen but you know we actually lived here first and Goggin. We're having problems with with the you know not for not mince words the white people who had decided that they were the kings of that you know the case includes so. Yeah I mean going back. It's like clearly the humanoids do not have treat the non humanoids very poorly. And you know it's it's very colonialists and but you know what it's worth in the new versions there actually addressing it and the complexities there because you have people who make make deals and try to make the best bad situation so it is what it is You know but yeah so i. I like the the unions. They're on I like I like. Maybe you're playing with the other little kid and you know saying she'll raise her as her as as her own. You know and I liked iota spitting out the Prague. That was again in South Africa. Yeah doesn't eat the whole PROC. I was a little disappointed about that. I thought he shouldn't be using the whole front but then again you know social norms in the culture. You don't just eat land approx even though it's probably perfectly normal for Yoda's culture you know Oh for the swamp base creatures. They probably get a lot of life. That's league all the protein player in raw food movement. You Know Oh But Yeah so you know. Mental Laurien was just really great. This episode I mean it does feel a little bit like a filler episode. Because not not much happens. It's not part of the direct we have to you know. Get the prize and get out and really only becomes about giggle at the very end when another bounty eight hundred shows up to shoot him now and that of course But of course the body hundred gets what's coming to him And then again. Maybe that's another reason why the men Roy is not so keen to trust the the former the former rebel because yeah she helped. Oh Kim but now she also knows the value of this property. Yes and what they're going to do next is not fight isn't sure what may I just hope that he not that you know the men Roy raises it'll to be a YO demand lorient. Oh I WANNA see in this last summer from I wanna see you know a little little men. Laurie just forced lasting everybody. I was GONNA say that'd be useful whole year because yeah the papal stronger with the force as it gets older. Yeah exactly what's already pretty Dang strong support. 'cause the horses just natural to the to the to the Yoda ish people. They just above the force. And it's just you know like walking or anything out anyway. Do you WanNa talk. Whatever comes we didn't get through last tonight? Shore do you have a couple here. Do you have any comments. You didn't get through last night. I don't know what we're here. Go ahead so well. Let's just start off with Justice League dark. I was going to try and bring it up when you guys Constantine but then we switched subject So but those who don't remember so this one what is actually we set up with a really nice legend of seriously how she murdered her husband because he was a jerk. Well I mean they kind of say is like a drunken silence. Angry Guy And you know she was talking about. She seems like a real sociopath because she is like bringing up the body. And you know All that kind of whatnot And then the people rebel against her she Sort of sales away to a little secret island where she meets a a hectic. You know the triple goddess of who you know. Whatever whatever gives the power to essentially fans form aminals And then of course as you will recall last episode Wonder Woman Seriously took took over wonder woman's body And they're trying to figure out what to do next and of course who's the only one who figures out that Susan Wonder Woman's uh-huh body. Constantine Constantine Jenna no detective chimp course. Yeah but you know once it gets done then they try to her and then of course she turns detective chimp back into a chimp. The don't that's the. Here's my biggest question for turning detection into a gym. I don't know who actually become an animal when she transforms you into an animal. Awesome or if you retain who you were but now you're just an AMMO and can no longer Steve. Yeah no so. I wonder what exactly she did to detective. Chimp she makes. The joke is like Oh you were better as a champ. Anyway which is like yeah. I know I've been saying that for the last four issues lady. Don't know why you're making the point of it. this can be as she She takes away as Atanas Mouth Button and of course the like literally cuts her mouth back. Cut Surveys. Where I'm out this So that she can use her magic again and then we'll get all the bad guys showing up and a couple of interesting points suicide from our New Guardian degreen sounding randy still there were not We actually have The Franck man making the point about his was able to decay swamping mush but then again if you look he's also now missing a leg so you Siddique himself Which I find interesting he's also crapping settled flex weapon right Got Constantine Versus Papa midnight but you know that's not GonNa go quick thing here. Apparently he's like the next issue. The December issue still has original content for mad magazine. So maybe they're backtracking backtracking. This whole you know that they're going to be doing a mix of new content and all which was daring always did specials just every so often or I don't so maybe eighteen so probably GonNa pick that up again. You know Christmas special new coq once they get rid of it now. You want classics back now. Maybe I'm back you're buying mad magazine But yes so it ends on a cliffhanger here because we see You Know Diana's consciousness still stuck on the moon along with this lady. Her name is And then you realize that like the hangman shows up the end because Oh things could always be work so Justly dark still still rolling on their I really enjoy it still. It's a very good book. You know It's got a neat adventure. I like that He wanted to talk or do I got out of here. Also fantastic four grand design number two like. Oh Yeah Yeah I thought this was going to be like a a straight retelling but I. I don't know if there's like it's supposed to be an alternate time line now because like they do they do the coming and GLAC. There's that seems seems pretty normal. You know. And they're going along they meet the Black Panther The Gut the humans the do the on the surfers power. Everything seems normal but then it's like like lactose returns and like he's like. Oh you need to find the silver surfer for me. And they can't find the silver served for so. Do you ever remember. Read becoming the Herald of Galactic. It sounds super vaguely familiar. But not from anything that I know of Yassin awesome. Yeah read becomes. The hero collect isn't takes him to like counter earth like Adam warlocks standing up to them and then there's like a big it kind of illusionary galactic fight. Oh that's had to be something from the Seventies. Oh yeah but no I I think there's there's SOM- tom read coning here. Because Mike lack this comes to earth and then like all the universe comes out stop him including like Black Panther cancer who has his own like force like mechanized lions which which which form into a giant but but like in the pink one is odd Suri ause like okay. I know that that wasn't there yet. So I guess I just say this and the x c'mon grand design did they do like merging of characters that always existed. But you just didn't know about and then bringing back four or I'm trying to remember. They kinda China played with like time travel at the end of the last one. So like look back around. But yeah because I guess we would do modern continuity into like if you had a jury in the sixties and the extra would be making her the pink Little no but you know open. No they definitely changing history here because after re portrays galactic blasts him away and they're like Oh they think thank you either dead or missing or something because then won the understands shows up in central park to take everyone to the first secret wars like Ben Walks in alone thinking reads dead then he finds read on battle world. I don't think John even goes with someone like what I think. What we can say is Franklin did not put with the universe back where he found it like gas or I could say that sort of what we're getting into now it's like basically this was not I say oh was a soft reboot of the universe universe? I think in many ways it kind of is that basically you know. The Universe is literally a week old literally Franklin Richards recreated the universe for the giggles of it. You know new universe. Starting on it was. Let's put it all back. We're Franklin Richards. Wanted it to be or we're Franklin and Owen wanted it to be. Edit Owen is also the beyond her. Then it's like you know you do do this. Nice cyclical thing of the beyond. Your actually was God the whole time. It is the one hole and he was always the one above all but yeah I mean they change some stuff. Like daredevil was is defending read during the trial of Galactic. This and that is true. I believe so. Yeah he's a lawyer so yes I believe he was there though. Yeah I didn't think he was the I don't think there for long. But you know the the issue ends weird it's like they go into that days of future feature past storyline where you know. Franklin's in an adult and then like at the time travels back and he's hanging out with three Johnny and Ben when Ben was black beard and stuff. Oh Yeah I love Leopard interesting stuff there. That sounds interesting now now more. We're interested in it because now it's a new store. This is not a straight retelling. Hannah wish the print wasn't so small. I know they try to jail a plot in digital copy. It's like give me digital copy recommend larger than my phone my glasses. Oh Ooh the same thing with the one you know. You don't know what's up even with the X.. Men One st into the digital code either so well giving you the theme of support I have invisible miserable woman number five. which is the I? Don't I don't Arkham the story I mean it's also a little bit of the threat I think I think they stopped. Stop the villain getting device. That could monitor all medications all the time. You know. Yada Yada but You know unreal like believes sue is not a villain until they team up but somehow they don't notice that the spy actually stowed away with them anyway right so she goes to. Yeah we see that as he liked disappears you snuck aboard her ship and No uh-huh GD invisible woman ended the superstar. Murray Hill. Didn't notice this dude. Get on the ship but okay Nicolay in the dark It's a little bit contrivance. And then you have Her sort of create a Little force field that they could. Cause there's like the people on this one jet that a Susan enters into Some countries airspace up So sue has denied that she turns the entire plane invisible. Also they can find where this device might be hidden One of the guys who's been helpful actually out the pilots Because he was trying to be helpful independent holding a gun on through There's invisible chet that's cool But anyway it gets to this whole. Oh thank where they do find get into the mind but then The bad guy who again again manages to overpower Murray Hill knocker out and then steal her plane just so he could go after To storm any basically you know commit suicide by sue storm. Where're her you know? He's mad because to have a no kill rule and she's like And he's like. Oh how dare you think you're better than me just because you have a no kill rule just because you don't have the strength to kill someone it's like dude. I have this thing because when I think about every day about how I could easily kill you a million different ways. My rule is I. Don't kill and that's what takes the strength Ouko but they're not Aw that's a moral lesson for the day. But basically she says you know and he's he's basically saying you know the only way that you can stop me from blowing plans to put a sports showed up so I ran into it and he's like yeah exactly so don't Ram into the Dan pain do what he does many days. And then it's all sad new buries a little lock. It that she gave him he gave her from like that You know under a tree in Ireland because that's sort of like this thing and then You know and then ensue. says she doesn't want to do spiced up for a little while we'll get cool. I mean it's it's beautiful. I enjoyed it. Might we did a great job on telling a really neat little untold tale of the invisible woman You know there's only so much you can do these little sort of can contain stories for these characters that are cosmetically large then. Hey see what else is going to do in pentacle number seventeen coming soon. So yeah that was the invisible. I I liked it though. I'll give it a thumbs up. Sounds good I'm going to pick up the trade or something I would recommend especially if you like the idea of you know sue Sousse stormtrooper spot. It works nicely Last week I got this week was alternative comics. God's in gears number one out of print so there you go This one they didn't push see. Here's the ad on the back of its own book. You know Miss Machines and monsters on certain Gods and gears and I got this issue to coming soon and it is very interesting because clearly. It's like working in like weird. Ultimate alternate timelines so we start up in nineteen ten but apparently had diesel puck nineteen ten where it's magic in machinery because Captain driver is the name of the the hero in this Well not hero. Because it's actually his mechanic. Who is the hero? He has this chemical formula that connects the mechanic and the driver in their super car with SIDECAR. Then jumping big ramp. Do in Carbon City Michigan two aspects of You know and but then he then the The mechanic KANDIC What's his name I think they'll get to that again in a minute. But yeah so. He his his mechanic. DOC pulls out of the car and then as you do also space time portal Also that pays the space time to actually eighteen ninety My Cecilia South America and immediately. It looks like we're kind of Mushoo tree world so that can't can't be right but apparently on this world you know He meets the grandson of a famous alchemist. Who's going on his own adventures and by mechanics? Name is Jimmy by the way and the grandson says what you can kick I'm not sure about that. Never got like guerrilla monsters. Who are catching them? These are the thunder Bros.. And you know if you like sentient guerrillas. This may be the book view and yes I love. They actually choose to get away from the guerrillas by climbing a tree. This doesn't seem logical but they actually make the point as they take a formula to make them or they eat leaves that make them As give them the energy of spider monkeys I think it was cocaine but but they make the point of how they can move faces at the guerrillas couldn't because the guerrillas were too heavy to move the trees with that kind of skill so currently Tarzan lied to us Do Escape for a little bit and again this definite idea that wherever they are it may be called South America but it certainly Kansas And you know we find out that this you know that we get our third character. Who is going to be possessed by our building of the piece? WHO's this lady as mar the as well who's going to get revenge on the man who imprisoned Krizner by attacking his grandson. So yeah. It's a fun book a lot of good Definitely GONNA be reading. This definitely GonNa get more notice that they have like a whole thing here about how you can advertise their books. Oh yeah making wonder how much they charge how much they would charge to put an ad for a super connectivity in Alternate Kurna comments. I forget I've seen a priceless before off the look at five. Yeah I'd like to look into that so you know what if we would have put a little now. Hey Hey you love comics all the craziness listen to superconductivity. Michael Moore listeners. That's all I'm saying keeps a lunatics. That'll get you some super connectivity. He plus other We can do capes and lunatics to fill up she anyway But yeah but those books. This week I own a it was a good hall from from Conan Twenty Ninety nine two Garrison God's good books out there so Yeah that's what. Oh I got to say about this week for this week's roundup. No I think that's it between last night and today we talked to all the colleagues and manned Laurean and Marvel's and more the watchman to electric Definitely GonNA looking forward to next week to this. Sunday's watchmen might. I didn't if I can stay awake mile. That's a week long enough to life. We Oh okay. So in the meantime impacted people find too If you want to get a hold of me personally can always email me nightly PDP act dot com on twitter. I am at night wing. PDP and just remember bird checkout capes lunatics always email us keeps lunatics gmail.com. The voicemail is six four three eight two two seven three seven that six four thirty eight and remember to check out all of our social media. At linked tree that's K. T. R. Dot ee slash capes lunatics and remembered a sports sponsors leg Khanna killer tweaked audio Bipolar life the book and remember used. Ai Southgate Southgate Media Group link when he shop at Amazon put more money in the hands of master. Doom master do. Oh then if you'd like to write to me the old fashioned email way the mas and once did do so at superconductivity plug it. GMO DOT COM that superconducting Bronx all one word at Jimoh dot com the following me. 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2019 NFL Jenga Pieces with Mina Kimes

NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program

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2019 NFL Jenga Pieces with Mina Kimes

"Bachmann the intended receiver again this time lawson's got knocked away. Bachman is part of the there's the the eastern washington. Mafia is also growing wake forest feet demon. Deacon mafia says wrong in so many ways we might see a boxing doc and catching passes from his old teammate. John wolford later in this game bali's. Tom move the hi and hello and welcome to football season and the dave damasec check football program presented as always is zack's means. Go get you some of the famous chicken fingers wings in zalid. 's studio sixty six positively the overflowing with enthusiasm and a superstar in the sports media one of the rising stars or maybe she's already risen prison and is now at the top of the pyramid here in in the sports media either way. We're over the moon to celebrate to mark the start of the two thousand nineteen n._f._l. Season season the hundredth year of the n._f._l. With the great meena kinds what's happening so honored to be making my second appearance trying to remember when the i was. I think it was mid season. I think it was somewhere. During the two thousand eighteen season. I do remember we brought out the literal ten all to address them. Important football related matters. I believe i said when prodded with the poll words that it should not be taking a context that i believed pat. Mahomes had the potential to be the greatest cordeaux. That's right that was that which leads me to believe it was fairly far along along in this season because i can't imagine it would have said that i wish december eighteen okay so that was bold though that was i think it did you touch it yeah because we'll potential attention to become the greatest can i can. I start off on a weird place when you when you came in. I am somebody who's not very sort of huggy and i hadn't seen and so i kinda was like oh thanks for come in and like you didn't hug either not about money. Smith is also not a hugger mugger m._v._p. Ep former producer here of the d._s._p. Not a hugger so you're not a hugger either. I think i did that. Same sort of you know middle school dance hug with you. I saw tell you at rams camp. I think i went in. Did i see that when i don't remember i know i would have said the wrong precedent no but i would have recoiled from it especially especially then because it was hot out there and i wouldn't want i went and i can get dui in that kinda situation and i wouldn't want to put that on you who is a hugger race. Jones drew yeah no matter how hot it is how was let's start there and we have so many important football matters to jump into and we are not going to break out the literal ten foot pole today instead will focus august another one of our annual things. The jenga theory every team in pro football is going to sustain injuries in the twenty first century. The eh real concern is if you lose the wrong guy much like jenga game. If you pull him out of the equation the whole thing can implode. We have to figure out we'll see how far we can get. Hopefully we can cover all all thirty two teams of course. We're not beginners here so we're not going to involve quarterbacks. If you remove any quarterback from the equation this side of the new york giants at least sorry spaghetti eddie in his ally manning retro very tightly fitting <hes> giants jersey. They're the but so so i mean in a for real and i i'm not saying this 'cause. We're being recorded in a public forum here. I really found you to be in those preseason games a revelation shen your approach to it was unlike anything i've ever heard before i mean you were talking and a twenty-first-century manner using advanced analytics that you never hear you. You were very much. What romo is two quarterbacks and like wait kidding all the guys who were quarterbacks in the n._f._l. Do that then. Why aren't they doing that. You approached approached it. In a way that i've never heard and i haven't heard anybody say anything other than y meaning is spectacular on those broadcasts i certainly i did my fair share of talking over the refs and also <hes> interjecting at inappropriate times and not being able to hide my reactions to plays as they were happening even as my beloved andrews's liana was commenting on which you're not supposed to do but i appreciate that i enjoyed it a lot. I i also benefited from being in a three man. Booth with the aforementioned reese jones drew for one game neighbor. Listen for three and those guys brings to the table in terms of analyzing the in game action action. It's fun by the way to be with former running back and former wide receiver and seeing the different ways the different things they hone in on <hes>. Shall we say but you know. I felt like my job is to bring something differences able while you did so you succeeded mazal tov and i really do think that it was probably too late in the in the day a in two thousand nine thousand nine for e._s._p._n. To say hey the monday night football header that launches things i bet you they said well. We've already settled on it but for tw- twenty twenty i would anticipate anticipate that we'll see you at the worst up in the booth for one of those if not maybe something more maybe watching john wolford and and <hes> blake bortles one week next week monday night. Football seems like a bit of a leap. Who did you like better. Neighbor listener maurice jones drew. I can't you know i know you could asking you to answer them. They really bring such different things to make better. I'll say this nate's better dressed. I thought you were actually considering answering that question. Which would the light me to no end. Marie catch up with the wrong. Greece reece's more huckabee'll. That's that's warming where when it comes down to to the best and i do like to identify people. It's a it's a fun game for me to play in my own head like that. Person's going to make aac that person's going to be a star in three years that person's going to flame out and i did identify early. They were both still playing like nate and maurice. Both headed headed for the stars. Maurice threw me for a little bit of loot right. I think seconds before our broadcast together asked me which colleges i got into and what my s._a._t. S._a._t. score was which was interesting kind of like a psychological <hes> that have a mind game probably because he wanted to. He wanted to berate you for it like oh. Oh you think you're smarter than me worried. He would mention it during the game so i didn't wanna tell you also wear shorts. It was like a thousand degrees but that also also threw me because i would say each of his size is probably four of my torsos put together so that was also very intimidated while maurice obviously obviously one of our favorites in the often inhabits the seat in which you are sitting currently and we'll be in it as we press into football season as soon as early early next week so be on the lookout for that in the meantime calms well actually very quickly up in the booth just because i've never gotten to do anything like that and likely never will will the joe buck once told us the tale of actually having to make number one during the thing and brett farve threw touchdown pass as he was passing water in the booth any exciting story like that that you'd like to share about you or maurice ornate yeah <hes> definitely didn't he now during a game definitely i think in gay in the fourth fourth game which is not only in the rams preseason. We're not really seeing a lot of starters. Were talking week four in houston. It was a showdown between joe webb job and wolford. John hamilton described the game. Everyone knows where they were our down and we had less need come. We did the coaches cam when we chew with sean mcveigh and wake four we had g._m. Less need come in some devil and i didn't anticipate. I forgot that he was coming in and i just i'd. I just eaten a ton of chicken wings and i didn't have time to fix myself so when we did the whole interview with him and i realized afterwards my teeth were just full of wing full chicken. I love it now. That's the kind of insight they can only get here on the d._s._p. All right let's see how much further we can get here with some insights from mean a times and and will deviate from the rams for a second because the big news as we record here midday thursday a couple of hours away from glorious kickoff twenty nineteen and i wanted to what do you make of this antonio brown stuff. I so often we say oh. That's crazy what's happening. This is insane. What's happening and now i feel bad bad because i've used that word up. This is in fact kuku blue. It's bananas. It's bunkers. It's predictable at this point right because i think we kind of know so what his deal is. We don't know what his deal is and i said this to you before i almost feel uncomfortable now because clearly mentally emotionally ocean louis some there's something going on. We do not know or understand or certainly not qualified or have the insight to weigh in on as it pertains to. I think that's exactly ugly right is state his relationship with the game which seems pretty screwed up now so i almost feel weird getting at that point i think one thing that strikes me about all of this and as it plays out so he has over the last summer as all down he's been posting these things on social media moreover the latest sort of the post that instigated. I guess this showdown was he posted the letter from the raiders demanding the fines and i think he he called them a devil or and there was some sort of i didn't exactly understand what he was getting at but he but i mean the bottom line is he called the team that theoretically saved saved him from the the hellish conditions on the banks of the three rivers on generally well run organization he was was extracted from that at his own will and brought over to the to the east bay and a few months later now. They're haters a team. That's been pretty tolerant to the the whole helmet saga but that post-shave brought me back to he. He posted this other in super strange post. It was a message he had received from smith shuster. When did you was in college saying like mr brown. I'll look up to you and i love somehow and brown posted this. I guess as a sort of dog in every rational person saw that and said you just made juju smith schuster look adorable and the connective five or between the poses he seems seems to have no concept of how he's being received by the bachelorette and when someone acts in that manner either they really just aren't looking being at their mentions in there or there. There's like a detachment from. I don't want us us reality because that would suggest we have some sort of insight into mentally mentally but he he seems totally detached from anyone outside of his bubble and that's a problem and i don't know what it's gonna take to fix that. I don't know if it's fixable but it seems like a sort of state that cannot be addressed. I listen i've said before for their plenty of guys in professional sports that come from humble roots but it's not coincidence as far as i'm concerned that he te'o they <hes> it's sad ad for a._b. It feels to me a little bit like he's tracking towards the second half of t._o.'s career and i think there is a it has something to do with they had they had a specially dark <hes> childhoods and i think that there is a bit of a victimization that he says in hard knocks everybody's treating me like i'm the enemy the of the state if you will all to happen and you went scorched earth in nearly request to move on you went scorched earth you tried to you did a a great and try to dent the reputation of several people in that building on your way out the door and now you're upset that people there's some portion of the population that says yeah that wasn't cool cool what you did and he's wounded by that yeah. I hear you and i think the upshot is i. I like to crack wise. This isn't something i'm necessarily really inclined to do i do my main emotion with it is because a lot of people is a steeler fan. People are hitting me up and saying oh. You must be overjoyed by this. No i'm not i just feel bad and i feel that i am happy for my people back. <hes> who are local writers local media back in pittsburgh who've been validated dated and were kinda turned into punching bags by national media. Those people are too provincial and they're afraid of the steelers ir and that's why they're not telling the truth. I think now <hes> you know several months later nine months later. It's clear that the boots on the ground were the ones who knew what was going on yeah. I think that's so often the case with conflict conflict in the n._f._l. Like it really comes down to we always sort of graft these narratives on after the half well wasn't getting the ball or there was some sort of <hes> the scheme played a role in or whatever when often it really just comes down to dudes in the locker literally any other office not liking each other but we can't really say that or that's not a like sometimes guy just kinda sucks and people don't like him and i told you my feeling about the pittsburgh situation as it was playing on the beginning which is like there's a few personalities here are not that great and i still feel that way personally <hes> it's just it was a rare confluence. I think of those personalities you know the ben rothlisberger complicates it because no one's able to go into any story involving ben rothlisberger without a lot of there's there's so much baggage there i think at this point and even though that has nothing to do with this current imbroglio seis and breglio that feels right. It's it's it's really hard to. It's hard to italy well. You know like i was torn as well because you know it's very hard to look at involved along that was good interpersonal conflict involving then without there's so much there right and you know you know that you know i and i guess we're having the public version of the of the back and forth we had about this. I just feel like that. Rothlisberger in particular was martyred for the sins of all twenty-first-century quarterbacks and i'll say at one last time and then hopefully we can move on into the twenty one thousand nine season but the notion that this this leader of men who everybody wants to play for in the quarterback that everybody rallies behind because he gets along with everybody in the locker room exists assists only in probably tom brady brett farve and guys in movies and otherwise everybody else's human and flawed and has some percentage of fans ends in his locker room and some people that aren't dear friends who don't come over to his house in their free time and so on and i thought i thought felt that i it felt cheap on his way out the adore but i think it speaks to larger issues for a._b. As we see playing out nine months later it's crazy that brady hasn't had a guy who has emerged as his hater like if there was one arrive we would have an entire cottage industry around this guy like bill simmons and i were talking about this namedrop as a producer rogers rogers and how there's like a couple of former packers who are always happy to come out of the woodwork. Take him but that's never happened with brady it. It is kind of remarkable you say narrative and that's exactly right and that's something else that we keep talking about over the last fortnight but really this if you are perceived served on the right side by the national media and i guess the local as well that andrew luck and retire and if you as a fan say boo about bats shame the devil. Don't you know what andrew looks given to this game whereas if other guys tom brady obviously at this point to do it but if aaron rodgers or cam newton or ben rothlisberger rob berger announcer retirement two weeks before the season all the the history onyx it would go on how could he do this. You know i will say i think rothlisberger burger has earned a lot of that nerd. I mean i think his past is pretty different from other quarterbacks fair enough fair enough all right now. Let's move on to something else and i'm not moving on from that. I just we we have many things to to hit here. Let's talk about another quarterback jared goff bottom line worth it not not a device personality at all. That wasn't a joke. He's really like the most basically i can't imagine anyone having so cal barat there is truly is he's got that banana republic deal and it just makes sense it just he's just flaxen hair on on case cheese also like the banana republic assure you know i'll walk in biard with twenty percent off coupon that i got in them. You know get a nice work shirt and by all accounts. He's really well liked by everyone who i've talked to about him and that's not just because i was a <hes> part of the ramle this summer so i think that if he plays at the level he has the last two years. It's a great deal for the organization terrific. I think if he plays like he did in certain spots at the end of the season <hes> <hes> it's not a great deal well you said if you played those games where a fast it felt like he got exposed a little bit specifically likely up in chicago and in the super bowl those were part of those two years so doesn't he have to elevate beyond that or is this or is this standard that asset good enough. I think there are very few quarterbacks who are play at that level that he was playing at the first twelve weeks or so on a sixteen in and then in the postseason i mean drew brees was bad at the end of last tom brady was terrible in the super bowl until that lasts drive arrive so he wasn't great for the last six weeks the last sixty i mean the miami so i think it's an kind of an impossible standard to set so i think i think a lot of is going to depend on what sort of changes the team if the team makes any changes around him going going forward but to me the deal was pretty vanilla you know structurally it's pretty similar to the ones deal whence we know that was a bit of a discount because of the injury history history them doing that early. I think jared goff can get out of it at thirty and hit free agency again. I believe off the top of my head so it could be the u._s. Kind of betting himself a little bit there. It's not not really because that's a fair amount of time to get paid a one hundred ten million dollars. Play sean mcveigh live in southern california god. It's good to be jared gov but i i think especially for a guy who was a bus two years ago considered i mean what a journey he's been on. I think it cannot be under stated. How important is that. This deal was signed at just about the same time that sean mcveigh also signed a new deal with los angeles because he's been his fiercest advocate from the beginning from the moment really stepped into that building and that's not always the case okay okay like not every coach loves his quarterback look across the division couch hannah. I'm not sure you get the same kind of reaction and i think sean. Mcveigh is the most important person in building him in aaron. Maybe aaron donald and i think if you've got a head coach like that who believes is that he has a quarterback who can execute his offense and also elevated at times. You don't mess with that so and i also think it's important to disabuse lose people because the common wisdom is now that if you pay a guy round about thirty million dollars annually that this is going to injure the overall salary cap to the point that he must take on greater responsibility to cover up the words that have been exposed because he's taking up too much money at this point. The cap matt ryan's actually the one one who who told me about this. I said thirty million dollars too much for q._b. And he said not with the cap where it is. That's about where it should be. Roughly fifteen eighteen percent of the overall cap is if your quarterback is a good one at least that makes basic sense. I hate the idea. There's there's a sort of talking point this hot take that once you pay your quarterback. You're done a in the n._f._l. Because you know people point to seattle by the way as an example example of that that's not what happened in seattle seattle had bad drafts and injuries now it reduces your margin of error absolutely in los angeles will feel that but the notion that you once you give your quarterback megadeal that all of a sudden you're screwed. I think is ridiculous. Say that though because six years ago i always felt like nick brady and manning on one side of things and then russell and capture nick on the other side of things that those guys that russell and cap were playing on rookie deals and and therefore they had <hes> they had deeper rosters and the other guys i mean they understood what they were getting into. Payton certainly from from the colts days and poli and on down seems is to be happy to point that out that peyton needed certain pieces around him to be comfortable and to thrive but what do you think about prescott then because to me the game. I like the play to try and assess these guys is what you swapped jared goff or dak prescott. Would they both thrive. I think that obviously would benefit more from that exchange just because he would get to play for me. I yeah i think he will thrive with <hes> with kellen moore playing twenty-first-century offense this year. I think right yes. I think that that will be interesting. I <hes> <hes>. I think that yeah we'll so by that. Same token guy who'd be walking into playing with more. I think jared goff would suffer but but i don't think it would be dramatic. I think he would still play well now. This is the important piece of course because as i am pointing out for six months now it seemed the me you know better than i do and i'm not just not being falsely deferential. You do know better than i i do but it seems to me that the rams were based all around play action last year more so than anybody else the patriots and the rams both get to the super bowl and they're the only only two teams running under center fifty percent or more and the rams quite a bit more than that air go todd gurley is not scaring defenses and i. I you know what i talked to maurice. I talked to you. I talked to people inside the rams say oh no he just he just wore out down the stretch and he will be fine. Maybe maybe they'll give him fewer carries. I just ask maria what percentage of kerry's for todd gurley split between the two and three and he still seventy eighty percent. They're just gonna take. Let me just a little bit anything. I would want to share with us i would. I say that i think the rams right that their entire offense is based around play action. I believe believe that helps todd gurley more than todd. Gurley helps action pass personally. I'm one of those nerds. He thinks that the identity of the particular taylor running back matters less to the success of play action than the offensive line and the scheme so i think todd gurley you know we talked about jared goff and how much he benefits from playing that offense todd gurley is i actually think bigger medifast sherry and he's excellent. This is not this is always. I i think the problem with when you point out that gough benefits from playing with mcveigh playing the offense it does it doesn't have to denigrate jared goff. It's just the facts benefits. It's everybody in that off the pick and choose of that of like well but he had a hall of fame quarterback oh career yeah most guys who have all time stats weren't weren't the only guy on the field to bring again to bring it back to the yes. Yes the first game this season and wearing my opera so we'll get to the seahawks. We'll get to that but it was. It used to drive me crazy. When people say russell wilson benefits so much playing next marshawn lynch you don't think marshawn lynch benefits from playing next to a quarterback who can take gafa any second is a linebacker is terrified of oh but they had jerry rice. Yeah you know who jerry rice had them. Yeah right exactly so football is a very interconnected sports so anyways back to girly so i think that he seems healthy in the short term i i cannot speak to his long term health oath and all the rumors and all that and it's totally possible that his window is shorter than it was before in the short term that this season he looks healthy. He looked rating camp yep. I've never heard i have not heard anything from anyone that suggests to the contrary i think though they are going to approach usage a little bit differently i think load management is something that they're taking pretty seriously like style. You know and i think that they also <hes> schematically our approach. The run game a little bit differently with the addition of daryl henderson the rookie phenom out of memphis who did not do a ton in the preseason because he was playing behind find a backup offensive line in a scheme that unlike the normal team did not help him the way they help todd gurley with all the misdirection all that stuff but i i so a few things in the preseason that got me excited about daryl henderson <hes> going back to the super bowl. I thought one of the things the rams could have done to counter what bill belichick did on defense which as you remember putting six guys on the line hightower sitting behind them was they could have had better passing game which is not something that's not really a part of their offense quite frankly you know they'd use. They use girly and play action a lot leaking now but i actually think darryl henderson could be used a lot in that capacity. I think you could see both him and girly on the field at the same time. I think a lot of fun stuff that they could do that. Have nothing nothing to do with the state of tug early sneak boy i you know and you bring that up to back going back to that and <hes> the mid eighties offense big. Ah big eight offense that lamar jackson and company are going to be running. It's going to be fun. I i'm over the moon with for the twenty nine thousand nine season. <hes> you mentioned and kyle shanahan loves jimmy garoppolo and you know that i'm taking the niners to win the a._f._c. to win the n._f._c. west this year here. I did not know that. I told you that when we were rams practice and you said they're all there. I don't know about the secondary and i said all but the front seven is going to be dynamite. It's going to be the best in the division now. It's not but was this before or after. I hugged you somewhere in they. You're upset with me about it must have blacked black. Jimmy is jimmy g. I mean the the the book is on the inside. Is that <hes> jimmy. G. can't do it. I don't think we have evidence that suggests. He doesn't make a difference what we i'm saying. Is there buzz from within. I have yeah. I mean look the thing about shannon him. Shanahan's always been hard on his quarterbacks. That's not an easy thing in atlanta. He used to hear word that he was frustrated because ron matt ryan took a while to learn his offense. He didn't really get while but you but our mutual powell brinson floated a darker conspiracy theory to me is what i'm reading the the tea leaves. I'm reading bill. Belichick liked him. Tom brady either liked him enough to get them shipped over to a good situation or was threatened enough by him that he didn't want him as his backup and got him shipped across and then kyle shanahan who has a q._b. Whisper himself said i want that guy and they took him so are all those people wrong. I'm trusting people but he said maybe ballot check was pulling a fast one on shanahan and he dumped the guy on the unaware air shanahan. This is my favorite thing that bill belichick or i guess it's my favorite phenomena that always follows bill bell check which is even when when he does something dumb we all talk ourselves into convincing ourselves that it was like didn't call a timeout. I am so pleased pleased that we smart agrees with me on this one i have i have beat this drum. I've knocked on wood since that super bowl imbuing doing bill belichick with the powers to know that pete carroll screwed up he froze in the moment and should have called a time out as that clock was running down but then it got to be too late is like the half of his trades. Don't work out. That's a half of his. I am so glad somebody agrees. Save this spaghetti. Ah he is so he is such a genius when it comes to in game strategy or gives just coaching forget scratchy that none of that matters in the end i now there's rosenthal behind. They're the boss and he's i am ballot markdown. Don't take it that say he is he. He's one of the people who may or may not agree with me about this. I'm i'm not sure so you disagree outright then with my my that the nine forty nine yeah i disagree with that i mean they've got an unexciting pass rush. That's about it on defense name another thing other than the pass rush that you like about this all right we were talking about narratives before the narrative two years ago is that kyle shanahan was as smart an offensive mind as there was and he duels twice a year that we were gonna get between him and sean mcvay. We're going to delight us for as long as we could see and now it feels to me like sean. Mcvay is an andy reid success with mahomes and ballot. Check it and back to the top has now kind of allowed us to forget about kyle shanahan but that's still remains range true. I assume and that's what i'm basing this around plus. John lynch has in fact built up that defense and it should be right up there. I think what the seahawks although they now have judean cloudy but i wanna ask you about this mazal tov to you that russell wilson cares enough about what jersey you're wearing and he reached out to you on social show media famously. You can dig that up if you want to. If you want to verify what i'm talking about <hes> audience but what do you make about the rumors that this off-season season that russell wilson himself was not necessarily tethered to the seahawks long-term or what didn't desire to be a seahawk forever. There were plenty of rumors afoot that he might wanna go out to the new york all right this is before he signed it. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I heard it was very close. I heard it wasn't i heard it was. I heard i heard it was. It wasn't something that was out there. I heard it was like oh. Oh it it just about happen but i have heard that's not the case so we were hearing different things from different people i think the seahawks offense is he's actually going to be good even though behind tyler lockett the death at receivers u._b._s. at best <hes> suddenly the offensive line has continuity and and they took a great leap forward last year in going from dumpster fire to smoldering embers. You know l. like an average unit and if they can just be average which i think we're about at right now. They're not even the worst offensive line the division anymore. Uh-huh it's delightful give me the one two three finish division finishes lines are oh how they finish finish standings wise rams seahawks niners cardinals. I listen. I'm going bold. That's all that is is that going. I don't have the rams going to the playoffs. That's how i'm goin' oh and going from the n._f._c. to to the super bowl america's team the dallas cowboys what that's right. That's preposterous. I don't even have of them in the play offs. I we'll see we'll see. Put them down in penn spaghetti and the hold onto this okay. Let's get to it here. I wanna i wanna see how far we can go here with with our annual jenga piece iding across football america here again. The jenga theory is that everybody's going to have some injuries along the way the real concern is if you lose the wrong player. It can scuttle your whole season. The whole thing can implode like a grand jenga game here and let's go around the wheel. Let's start it off with the n._f._c. west since we're already on that subject the the n._f._c. champion rams jenga piece oh and again. We don't do the quarterback because it's too easy to say well. If it's a quarterback goes down obviously that is the case. Who can they not afford afford to lose. This is a pretty easy one. It isn't easy one. It is aaron donald now. They think they've got an outside. Pass rush this season so last last season. The rams got fifteen percent of their pressure from the edge which was the lowest percentage in the n._f._l. It's pretty much aaron donald and that's it. They think dante fowler. There's gonna be that dude this year. They sent him to one fourteen million dollar contract. They brought back clay matthews at no one's really you know blowing smoke on that but they have not been able to get to the quarterback outside outside. Donald i think over the last couple of years so if you take him out even with i i like fowler. I think that it would be a pretty big problem. I hard to disagree with that. I went obviously although i do continue to todd gurley but i'll defer to you on that one but i do think i i do wonder how how dynamic that offense as if todd gurley is never on the field we saw c. J. anderson crushed it. Yeah that worked against some teams didn't work against bella. Check though okay. Let's go then to the seattle seahawks okay so as i mentioned after tyler lockett the wide receiver death is a real problem so i'm going to go with locke it great one. I like that very much <hes> next up. Let's go san francisco forty niners so i was torn on this one because i wanted as i i mentioned i really don't like this defense behind that front line and i think richard sherman's pretty much the only guy you can trust in the secondary right now but i don't have kiddle i would go capital too because that pass catching corers right and while the other side of it is to that something yeah as a matter of fact this is how i know we had that conversation and i didn't imagine rams camp. I said i liked that niners d and you said but they're secondary isn't good and i said listen. Listen if you can get deep enough into the season and get into the into the play offs. It's really more about pass rushes and you said no. That's two year old thinking. It's now the secondary. It's now more important that the secondary is strong and so so dig in on that. Do you remember this or was this all just a. I don't think i would say that's has two year old thinking that you did. You said that was two years ago. Oh i thought you meant like no not your child is. I'm saying yes hodler. Yes you're twenty seventeen. You don't get out of join us in two thousand nine yes i. I think you have to have a good sex. I mean look at the patriots outside in their secondary. Jerry was elite last year. Yeah that defense is going to be good. That's the star of share the arizona cardinals. This was tough outside. Besides the quarterback i will chandler jones speaking of trades that belichick loss and nobody talks about just because he is their entire pass rush thirteenth saks lester. It's also hard to do with a bad team like well without him. I don't think they're going to be good. I think with him. There might not be okay. Let's go n._f._c. South carolina panthers okay. I don't want to choose a running back but i actually think i'm gonna go with mccaffrey here. <hes> <hes> i'd like i i do like beyond mccaffrey though i like curtis samuel all the promised to break out this year and yeah finally it is it lines up that cam newton finally can not have to carry the entire offense based on how they built that up there the atlanta falcons. This one was easy dion jones. Yeah i mean we've talked about that since we want. It's amazing how people have forgotten about the falcons and that those two key defensive injuries happened in foxborough basically the ending their season before it can get going matt ryan in-store m._v._p. Level season says dan you know i'm the biggest matt ryan defender on the internet. Do you know what by by these these holidays we will be talking about. You know what to think about. Ryan gets a gold jacket when his career is over. People remember that i planted my flag. You were there before. I was planet. Well of course sources doesn't give up twenty eight to three which he did have a hand and giving away we already would've kissed him into the hall of fame. The tampa bay buccaneers yeah so this is another bad team hard to pick one situation. I will vernon hargraves which is kind of a weird pick just because if he's not there the average age age of the secondary is fourteen. I did the math. I think this is about as easy a one but maybe he'll surprise me here the saints. I actually actually now that. I say that allowed. I realized couple of abilities. I was mike thomas just because i think after after him that's a real it is crazy. I mean are you are you. Do you consider yourself a very serious football fan. Okay name for me all the wide receivers on the saints not including michael thomas. I know if you're not mentioning trae kwan smith or there was a guy i remember when he caught a pass last year. I was like who is that. It's like an accountant fountain. Dan arnold all right right right weigh in on this one. There's some key issues that you gotta come down on one side or the other before things kick off dear drew brees. Is it done for him. No i think it's not but i think he is out of my m._v._p. Group i think we saw the beginning of the end. In the twenty. First century cents a could do some patriots kind of stuff that you see if brady and james white can do it then certainly breeze and camara can do the same sort the thing on those choice routes that he runs endlessly that seemed just about unstoppable but if the premise as just grind this team between the tackles 'cause we're up six in the fourth quarter order. I don't think alvin kamara is built to do that. Necessarily so i do have some concerns and i don't think they win the division. I don't think they make the playoffs as a matter. You've got some heat. I listen and this is the time for a hot. Take someone's gonna remember me. I'm writing them down in penn next the n._f._c. east dallas cowboys. Go okay do they this. Oh so the n._f._c. east. I have three offensive linemen in this really okay so with dallas. I went with zack martin. I'm going to allow it most human beings as i always say cannot identify correctly who's a good offensive lineman versus a mediocre one. I find it generally pretentious. I'll allow the entire offensive line and if you wanna throw that okay yeah i think that we talked about earlier the absence of zeke elliot and that sort of thing and debating who's who matters in an offense. I think pretty clearly we saw how much they struggled with tyron. Smith wasn't in there and shout out though to <hes> to tank lawrence the most <hes> sort of anonymous superstar in the n._f._l. The skins and with another offensive lineman here's why that saw jenga concept to me what you're looking at is not only who's good but how deep is the group yeah right. I think this skins offensive line is the equivalent of like a jenga level that has one bar just perilously holding up the entire so the east coast version of the houston texans exactly if you take out one of those offensive lineman amen it's over so i just did <hes> brandon scherf character. Um the philadelphia eagles another offensive lineman real yeah okay which now maybe you should've been makes perfect saints. Although fletcher cox is a is a good answer as well. We'll see they've got death there now right with with andrei dillard and but i kind of looked at the depth chart and i thought if you took jason kelsey they would struggle but cox is probably better answer belt. That's a that's a good good one there. Who do we have left in the division. The giants okay so another bad team situation. I mean the defense will really also your this is gonna hurt. Eddie spaghetti's gattis feelings. He's sitting right there spaghetti. Do you want to weigh in on one. I have a giants. I'll give a genetic jenkins because the cornerbacks are very very a young outside of him and <hes> inexperience guys like sam bill and and they distract the baker and balancing but <hes> another thing of zero pat whoever their best pass rushers it's marcus golden and there's no pass rush than the the defensive backs or even worse that evans a big question mark so the defense is just a traveling. It's just rough right now. Now i think if you took out like audio saying really any like average to above average player on that defense. It's gonna be a real problem. Okay so you're going to go. I mean i it's hard to imagine edging not going saquon here and yet i still say evan. Ingram is the x. factor. Perhaps of that whole division. I guess the east great the defense just isn't going to be good enough enough to keep that team relevant but i do think that this idea that odell went out and so the offense is gonna be mad and i don't know what you is gonna look like but the line should be good and saquon. It should be able to run. The line is good good. It's either good ish too good and i think that will keep the thing running on offense defense as the problem with this. We did the entire or east. I'm pretty sure so that leaves the the packers okay so this is another one where i went with skilled player devante. I think yeah that's right adams. The depth why receiver group is pretty thin. Do you agree with my assessment that at least in the n._f._c. that's the best secondary in the entire n._f._c. n._f._c. because in the in baltimore's and the <hes> yeah yeah i think i think the rams have a pretty good secondary when when all their starters are healthy <hes> so that would own the bears secondary's really any jackson. He's actually my guy. We can do that now. Let's do due to eddie jackson. Go ahead and say it loud i he is probably that's such a like. He is like your full hipsters favorite football player years. You are so right because i have to jerry orbach every time this comes up when i'm wrong. I say i'm wrong. Jerry orbach tell swayze at the end of dirty dancing. I said over and over again. Why would they have taken trubisky when they should have taken jamal adams. This is kgo. They're going to rue that decision and obviously they don't although trubisky and other question we have to wait and see by the way way as far as that goes mitchell trubisky another hot button issue by the by the end of the season. Are we saying see trubisky. He's plenty good or say. They're gonna have to save something. They're me that's way bigger question mark than the jared goff type con- you know when you're looking at okay we got. We had this rookie. We benefited from having him on his rookie deal for so long. We gotta make a decision about him. I genuinely don't know what they'll do if he to me. If mitch trubisky plays at the level he did last year. They should absolutely not precede and gibson to an extension but he's still young. He's learned offense last year. I'm not holding out it it. It's totally possible that he i agree the and i keep saying that <hes> nagy you could see in the first quarter. That's where it seemed. Trubisky anecdotally just with my eyes i have no numbers to support that see i free myself from yeah no script a beautiful drive right and they would get up fourteen and then they would then they their defense would would embarrass the flow and that would be that the thing i like about trubisky going forward is is if they use him enough to do that is he's a big dude running the ball and he's fast he really is the poor man's cam newton or something on that level when he gets out of the pocket and intends to run with the ball. The detroit lions another tough tough one on so this team has no chance this year ooh. I don't think so. I think that divisions really tough and they're the odd team out to me. I think that it would have to come from the defense. I was thinking so actually like the defensive line a lot. <hes> and i and i think even without flowers. I think they'll still be able to get a pass rush. I think the secondary is really thin. So maybe i would take sleigh. I like what patricia's trying that what is the thought. Process seems to be the way he's trying to build up that offense a little bit and hopkinson if he is in fact a poor man's gronk. That's a good place to start with <hes> supporting carrie johnson and c. j. anderson and dad grind and teams a little bit. I love him. Just rookie tight ends usually take. It's one of those positions that takes awhile i think to catch on so i'm not expecting a ton out of him this year and and the vikings i pick the vikings did he hunter. I that actually weirdly for defense that just a couple of years ago looked so stacked at every remission still has a ton of talent talent but as we see so often in the n._f._l. Starts to lose depth and if you take out hunter i think you i saw that last year when they didn't get a pass rush in the beginning of the season. Everyone was really confused. Wise's vikings defense suddenly bad <hes> you would really really it's funny because for the the much ballyhooed pass catchers they have i think and all the then that puts kirk cousins in the white hot spotlight. I still think what i thought at the start of last season dowd cooks. Gotta make that offense go and i do think he will have a good year and yet. I think they're not gonna make the playoffs. The packers are gonna win that vagary. I think the offense is going to be awesome. Actually have some concerns sir the defense all right. Let's jump over there. Let's face it up because <hes> the around the n._f._l. Boys are waiting back there and i look at look in the boss rosenthal's dolls in his suit and tie and everything look. He runs the shop now walking in look at him. He just walk in the door for you. Brought onion brings in food and everything. Please take a seat join us for this. This'll be nice. Do you mind kind no. I could use some of the way i didn't mention it but mean times tremendous podcast just recently <hes> was paid a visit by greg rosenthal so make sure you check that one out and not <hes> too many <hes> football minds greater putting their heads together then it was east. What's that podcast was a hit and you could and you could see. I'd i literally you know that's how i like it. I have a podcast crossovers happening. Yeah i mean you you. You told me to come up here early and now you're acting surprise when i pull the curtain back. I like it the feel acrimonious our teams are playing this sunday night. Please as for utah. It was a generous move about this epic match up. I mean the steelers are gonna lose. What wh- what am i gonna. I'm gonna pick the steelers go to foxborough and b- brady place that's ridiculous. Gillis is it though i don't get whipped. That's my concern. I don't wanna hear though that mike tomlin can't stop. Tom brady when it matters when they held him to ten points a game absolutely mattered and should have ended their streak of buys and maybe would have prevented them from winning the super bowl. If the texans blow that game against the eagles i mean that that was they did it. They held him to ten points. I know and you know i'm not saying that. This gives me hope because i certainly on a human level wish david andrews well but from a football perspective of how damaging do you suspect this. It's the rules that apply to the patriots applied to no other team. We've talked before the andrew's injury. I think right anyone can come and go and as as long as brady and ballot check or they're really doesn't make a difference garage or anyone else. Did you see by the way joe thomas none other than joe. Thomas one of the greatest left tackles in history came out and said that i can't remember the exact words he used. I don't wanna misrepresent him but he said a lot of the patriots offensive. Lineman wouldn't even be good on other teams. He was joe thomas miss. We saw that these shorts is wrong. I saw jeff schwartz push-back at that. I mean yes some guys can leave and be viable on other teams but it clearly the the one dimension or the two dimensional aspects that ballot check likes and then convinces guys. That's the key part is. I'll just do your job. Equals specifically just go straight ahead. I do not want you deviating from what i tell you to do. And as long as you're willing to take those instructions you will thrive but it has no. I know it means nothing going forward onto any other team. Well nate solder is is good proof of that eddie. Spaghetti true can agree that he has not been the answer for the giants logan mankins who maybe he's the best offensive lineman they've ever had is mortgage proof of that <hes> shack mason. I think who they have now would be good at any system. He's kind of a pro type of guy but david david andrews. I'm not that worried because they love ted karras. Who's been there backup at three positions. He's been there for a while and he does seem like one of those guys that you just sneak sneak in there. If if one more injury happens then then they're into these guys they just traded for and that's the problem greg. It's funny that you mentioned jack mason because he was my jank apiece who oh ooh. That's a fun one in a wild one but i was i was trying to be a little bit of hipster and i was thinking with the center out. You know if you're really going back ups on the inside of the offensive line. They could feel it. Sit up straight. Why don't you being taped. You don't know what's happening when you have a big time media star in here. You don't know what's gonna make it out in the video to rosenthal as you undress. Why don't you tell us what you who you think the patriots jenga pieces this here stefan gilmore. I mean it can't be tom brady. It's a right that's your kiro stefan gilmore. I think he's kind of an under the radar defensive player of the year candidate maybe it's it just because he was covering patriots receivers all camp but they the avid he gave up four receptions during training kim that brady was four for nineteen throwing that gilmore and he was so good by the end of that year and mentally just he just seems like everything bell checks ever wanted and now he's entering. Your threes got a great group in front of them to make some big plays like losing him to me would be the biggest loss of embrace. That's for now but come october. Fifteenth and beyond jenga peace will be antonio brown right. I hope so uh brigham on this do you agree with my with my my little theory that the twentieth century patriots are as close to the seventies raiders as any team. We've seen they love bringing in these guys the high pedigree guys that for whatever reason it got sideways somewhere else we'll we'll give you a try and some of them work and some of them don't always bring them in and then and then the rest of the league wrings its hands. They have juon josh gordon. Oh they got james harrison that you know that's right the james harrison thing i remember and they now have fully embraced like we're the villains so what we like it and boot if you ain't boo us you don't know who we are. I mean they're not the team that had vaughn burbot holding back antonio brown well richie incognito looked on what a what a wild scene you could if you could have said that two years ago that bontes perfect would be holding back antonio antonio brown from from punching raiders general manager mike mayock. How early do the patriots start doing the nobody believes in us thing this year what but i don't think they've ever stopped yeah if they if they go to into you know if they start out so i think they could lose to the steelers. Schedule on paper isn't the worst but i think the two a._f._c. The east teams the bills and the jets are better so if they start slow the steelers defense. I really do think is going to be really good and they should be ahead of the patriots offense right now the alway we spend september spinning their wheels none of their receivers they practiced in august. They don't even care about this game although they'd be. It's week one foxborough but you know new england doesn't take the beginning of season isn't seriously i well but counter-intuitively perhaps because we've been informed by movies over the years but what happens in movies in the pre-game with rah rah ah speeches from the coaching staff us against the world and all that i mean the the chip on the shoulder no one believes in us thing kind of works over the course of a season but the the idea on game day and i really think in january past the reason that schottenheimer and his protege kaur came up short and big game so often was because they got into that whole there's a gleam and this is the one chance you'll look back on this day for the rest of your life and decide did you put it all on the all that kind of stuff sykes guys is out there like oh my god. I didn't know this so important whereas just go to your job. Go do your job. What's up comes can't hear my yeah. That's aw yeah rosenthal unplugged you. Did you know the last ten minutes or so. I just haven't been able to hear what's <hes> the jets who is the demain. Adams probably okay yeah. I like that. I mean by the way as he could go. I don't think it's i don't think it's kuku. Let he's float this year right now week to if the jets beat the bills in week one i think that week two game jets and browns decides a wildcard art either or at least that team gets a big leg up and right at right around mid december your look back and say that one had to head victory. Put this team in a better spot what i really think. Both those teams have a chance to be nine. Seven ten round got i think i think the bills do as well right if they win if they win this game and i think they'll be ahead of them. Sean mcdermott year three versus adam gates game one if you buy if you buy. I don't know if it's empty rhetoric or not but it's you buy the idea like defensively if you're strong up the middle while the jets are certainly that the jets are real. It's gotta be jamaa adams. I agree okay the bills bills. Maybe dion documents. That weird yeah weird. The defense is trying too hard. I can hear myself again. I think i messed with you. I'm a terrible gas you did i came on and it was last hearings and i i messed with the wrong. One okay messed with the wrong defenses quite deep. I think you could take out a bunch of pieces in and they would still be very good or davis. I think would probably be my choice because i can't come up with anyone anyone else but they've got like a what's his name taryn brown. They've got they've got good players but he's one of the only cornerbacks left that travels with the the best opposing quarterback. I also have faith in sean mcdermotts ability of figure out that position. I don't have faith in him. Enables ability to figure out the offensive line time now for a frank war. I mean if you lose frank or you lose the heart of the team. That's what i've heard by the way shady mccoy oy if frank gore and he is going to the hall of fame shady mccoy needs to go the hall of fame if he can put together another thousand yards in these next couple of years especially on a relevant chief team i think thank you i mean if you look at the numbers that bears out that he's right there for the hall of fame quick detour bond and give food block with gregg rosenthal and meena kinds. You can look at the two of them. They clearly really eat as well. You guys could combine to eat as much as damaged in a week. Probably is what i eat in one sitting but either way win. Play show onion rings french fries plantations ooh well. How are the plantings prepared good well. I'm going to go win french fries. What's what's second rings now. What's what's the word for place. You know i'm going plantings. Placing and rings and third rings are overrated onion rings. You're a good n._f._l. N._f._l. employees. I didn't play show i've never i have an identical view. Onion rings love a ring and i could come awfully awfully close to choose and rings for the rest of my life to to the exclusion of fries but i think at the end of it is what better than a little a little caribbean chicken with plaintains contains and i'm that much much of the plantations are good in their in their soft with the only thing that gets in the way of playing teens when you get one. That's too firm. That's off the plantations bad though so if we're going to consider variants and we're talking about like any level of fries any level of rings any level plantations then plantations goes to to the bottom from yeah well. That's why stay cut. Fries aren't the right choice ever because you get much inconspicuous. Almost everything is better fried right but i don't like onions are one of the a few things. I don't think they're better fried. I love onions grilled on little sought. Yeah love onions in general like a grilled onion. I like i've read all this. Have you ever had a red onion dropped into the fryer. That's another one don't like the shape of them. All right makes your mouth feel. Look spaghetti's getting upset with us. You know i'm <music>. I'm laughing. I'd actually put on your rings. I what really rice complaints there he was. He was admonishing the around the n._f._l. Producer ricky hollywood earlier. We talk real football. The ball on this show which was ironic is obviously having said yes. That's what we does it upset you rosenthal to look back and you see that eli jersey taunting you think of what think of how much more glorious the patriots dynasty would be. Were it not for eli. I mean what what if they had a quarterback. I scored more than seventeen points in that game. It wouldn't even have been close. I'm looking forward to the ground zero. I'm ready to turn the page from my small emotion to small every i'm the tiny person but it's like a small attitude towards eli and then let the giants back into my heart with daniel jones i well. I have turned the corner on brady and i admire meyer him and i like him but i also want to vanquish. We cannot like this idea like well. He's you know he's only around for another couple more years than normalcy. Z. will return. That's not what we see. The steelers out of dignity must vanquish the tom brady. Led pay can't wait. I'm i'm just saying i get it but i but i'm saying in this in the same spirit that it is not an you know. I admire the guy but i won't be good enough to take his successor by the way do you agree with my idea that i've said the rosenthal which he he puts that and i've talked to oh bill simmons second namedrop of ah i said this to him to me. I don't know what you even saying. That was him he <hes>. We just did our draft. He oh he almost got very similar similar to your chris wesseling and be almost got kicked out of our fantasy league at the big draft he while it was it was him and another guy. The other guy ended up losing out so simmons once again a decade into the kickout rule the survivor style the oh the champion gets to kick out one of his choosing at the draft and a couple of nights ago we we did it and simmons has not gotten kicked out because he uses this lame kenobi jedi mind trick that he thinks works that doesn't work on any body county where he says. I want you to kick me out. I hope i'm not i'm tired of fantasy football anyway. I hope you kick me out and then he begs you to kick them out. I was like well. This isn't going to be fun to kick him out so then you don't kick him out and what was that voice. That's that's how he talks boston accent. I love david ortiz yeah. He doesn't really have a boston like a modified like snake oil salesman in a musical cousin sour. The patriots steelers are yeah. I've i've lost my way with my simmons impression. I'm gonna i'm gonna work. You're gonna ask me something. I forgot i was going to and that question was if you're a patriots fan account you want damn the year after brady retires to go seven and nine or worse because otherwise it the brady legacy if it's clear like oh well we can just keep on rolling and i think the biggest. It's not eli manning. It's not nick foles. The biggest strike against brady's greatness is the matt gasoline. Oh stop. I mean all we can just keep on rolling without tom. Brady apparently they teams could do that well. They didn't make the playoffs i of okay but you know whenever happens with brady they have they face as the easiest schedule not only that year but like one of the easiest schedules that decade they didn't be any good teams. It's kind of like a remember now and it was a great job by bell jack but they weren't aren't going anywhere in the playoffs with that theme brady who matters more debate bothered you. Yeah it annoys me because there's no answer. Why have an answer what try to have an answer you. You can't steer monory great. You know who doesn't want that question. Is tom brady clearly or else retire by now. What's what's the point at this. He just doesn't i want to let it but i love. I love bella checks. I want to see him succeed with the next per neck whoever's next though you find vaguely unsatisfying that was sean mcveigh andy he read and bill belichick. What's breaking through now at more and more in the last couple of years is it. This is a coach's league more than it's a players league. I don't like that you don't like it. It reminds me of college basketball in the early nineties right. It feels anti player <hes> little ride i i know i know it's cool. I'm surprised that you agree with me because oh no i the football cools like you guys probably admire that like you. Don't get it. You're watching the the players out there but it's actually just say hey sean. Mcveigh was the most important person on the rams but then just factual. We're the football pools yeah you guys are like you know. Deeply informed really really get it. You you think you got it because i didn't choose any running backs jenga piece so well. We still have time. I'm i'll take it. It's the nicest thing checks ever percents. Oh shut up. Let let's roll on and who we missing here the dolphins that we we don't need the regard because they've given away their chicken pieces leaving our yeah pretty good. He's literally only these i if you could really hook him up to a lie detector. There would be few guys right now more interesting to talk to you like what what do you think man when he gets to live in miami only good player on the football team. He's making very good money. I forgot what the at least fans fans would like to think that he steamed that you know i'm i'm one of the best that my position and now i'm stuck here but anyway let's go on so we'll skip the dolphins. The south is where where will go and let's start with the houston texans because i think that the answer is the guy they just got tonsil yeah. Do you feel i four j._j. Watt i guess our dr you think it's j._j. Watt because i think people are underestimating how much the the loss of judean cloudy practices name right greg taught me how to say his name. How do you say van je davin. How do you say sony michelle like the way you just said it see. I thought i heard him say at the super bowl and people have been hitting me up on social media saying why are you. Have you started saying sonny michelle. Who's it's because i could swear. I heard him. I was speaking to him or standing there as he was doc and i could swear he said sunny and so that's why i started to do that to explain it to anyone who is dropping me a line but anyway i think people people bill are underestimating how much that pass rush and run defense is gonna suffer with clowney gone like watts it at this point. I mean when you merciless they'll start you. They'll use more is a pass rusher and drop in less than two coverage and that'll help but i think also shawn watson is one of those quarterbacks who's probably more responsible for the amount of taxi takes and while tunsil will certainly help. I don't think you would make a meaningful difference. Yeah i guess so but i you know all off season. We kept kept pointing to that the entire a._f._c. south is built up on defenses of all four of them but now the texans don't really and they were they were kind of lagging behind the other three as it was but but i also think they have a chance to be a high powered offense now they could they they could really dominate if if they can survive for a month or so and and get by and win more more games than they lose the other thing they should go and do get melvin gordon. I don't know how you make it happen but if they could get melvin gordon e gadd another level entirely football cools do not. I like that idea. You don't like that move. I mean they already gave up a third round. Pick for duke johnson which i didn't mind again. Johnson duke johnson reminds me a little bit of shady mccoy. You remember shady mccoy in philadelphia. Oh you could only be third down back. I don't think he could ever have three hundred fifty ears a same body type. He is big enough shady. Mccoy said more calories than anyone in the n._f._l. I believe this decade but maybe definitely the last five years like i think duke johnson can just go do it. I do agree that he was underused in that regard in in cleveland sadistically statistically he's good at it hard to argue with j. j. watt. We don't need to belabor titans chime in rosenthal. I know it take it takes the minute okay. I'm tempted see i've. I haven't chosen running backs but it's one probably be someone on the defense well. I'll feel i'll fill john expo- i think his his absence is the worst spot for him not to show up for then across for myles garrett. The whatever else happens in that game. I myles garrett is gonna torment. Amanpour marcus mariota and expedite the calls for ryan tannehill browns defensive line is terrifying. I know you see what they did. I listen you're not gonna hear boo out of me about the brown. I think the browns they're they're loaded. How can they not be good dave off-season long psychological warfare. It's no psychological anything. I'm telling you what i think. I feel my crazy. I don't see that they're loaded at the beginning of summer. Felt like everyone was all in on the browns. Go go up and down the depth chart <unk> every position but now feels like the pendulum of public sentiment swing towards pittsburgh. Have you felt that yes for sure. The cools are now saying it's gonna although summer creeping in on the ravens to make all three teams could make it to the i think it's just off season so long that you get tired of whatever your takes grew in may and so then and you start doing counter. It took a few months for the plebes the public to realize that the browns didn't have an offensive of line. It took a second for that. I've got the steelers in the super bowl. I have the i won't do that. I have the dealers that here's why because every the last two years. I always have them in the final four. I think their rosters that good and i'll go to my grave believing few teams ever like missed the playoffs and had a better chance to win the super bowl last year steelers if you put them in they get a ball they get a caller about ball bouncing a little different in new orleans and they get a three seed like well because they won the super bowl civically really how they were playing right beat the patriots. They went into the super team big okay. You're right statistically. I think there's not been a team in recent years. Here's that should have made the playoffs more than the steelers by every advanced nerd football cool metric but the chiefs and the patriots are still much better than i well. I mean i don't know anything. It just beat them. They beat them this year. I mean the game would have been in foxborough or i mean it's as simple as it would have no chance but i do think think they could have gone into arrowhead because i i do buy what i think that for real this is a fan fan but i have talked enough players. Who say uh-huh. That's a real thing is that home. Field becomes disadvantageous when you're supposed to do it when you have the cursor supposed to hanging on your shoulders and the chief certainly had that plus a half century since we've been to a super bowl and now we have patrick mahomes and all we have to do is beat this mediocre steelers defense until we go there if that game would have happened boy if the steelers would have gotten the lead the home field advantage would have suddenly turned against them and it would have washed down from the stands to both sidelines and they would have been feeling the pressure and like i say i've talked to guys is in playoffs on heavily favored teams and they say oh it's the worst feeling in the world <hes> or it is. It's invigorating when you're the underdog doing what you're not supposed to. Do you feel that thank plays in your favorite all right. Let's continue south colts darius leonard. That's the other team that you go and get. It and i think it's t._y. I mean he this year. I think has a decent chance to be all pro first or second team all pro. He's going to make the kobe a lot better in general he even though people are like oh. They're pretty loaded. Are they really offensively. It's really t y hilton is the one guy that's kind of a difference maker. That's true. It's a really thin group didn't like to funchess signing signing but man that defenses behind like a that's right. It's then that's why they should go. Get melvin gordon or even say hey. Do you not need frank. Gore up blair can give them back to us trying to give teams melvin gordon marlin max gordon now gordon with the colts that to make sense. I think it it upgrades them. If you don't have to give up that much they have cap room. They're wasting gap permit to waste our powell matt money. Smith says chris ballard would never do that but <hes> but a lot of things in the hypothetical that would be fun on the jaguars. I michael offensive line here. <hes> ah that's a good one yeah they don't don't you have to be good if you're a good player adler. There's no really good. I guess nor wells it's coming back but i would go with jalen ramsey just because he's he's probably the one guy if you took him out of that defense that would hurt the most and he and he does give you the a sense for what it's worth i in the week leading up to it it. It does feel like with all the swagger and everything else that he does create a sense of intimidation. If you're going against him right abs yes yes. I would go with ramsey obscured. Not you know top player. Pick though i think if d westbrook's on that game nick foles has zero humans to throw full. I'm gonna go with leonard fournette. I know that's it's the obvious answer but but if they have no chance they have no chance in twenty one thousand nine if leonard fournette isn't what they drafted coming you <hes> and if they're in irrelevant team it means it leonard for nets not having a good year. Did we get everybody in that division spaghetti. No yeah we got. I feel bad. I thought i was jumping on here. Just just to say hello we started doing. Are you offended by this. I appreciate it all right. I didn't like it when he turned off my volume. Yeah that was let's go to the west. The broncos won a dave sleeper teams in two thousand nineteen. The defense can be good. <hes> i would not go defense. I think they go nine and seven and i think that as long as they remember the lessons that the ravens would would learn every other year when they would think you know. What maybe we could be a pass first team. Oh yeah about week eight. Oh yeah joe flacco still q._b. We can't do that as long as they stick to having a dominant defense and if we assume that mike munch acts going to be able to make that offensive line better and they have to nice young running backs and if korten sutton splashes at all they have enough on offense. It's it's von miller though i know maybe i don't understand going apiece exercise but this is all seeing the best players yeah generally. That's how i would think they lose in this case though i think chubb ebb and von miller because that's maybe the best duo in the league allows fangio to do so much with the secondary in terms of disguise in terms of everything where you have extra guys back there and you can just bam boo nieves vaughn is von miller. I think he's like a first ballot hall of famer no question in his prime secondary has a lot of question marks and they they need to pass rush to be as good as greg just described raiders. I don't think are well. I guess some people feel good about them. I can't imagine after this latest antonio brown they do anymore. Is there anybody flow it. We we can skip them. We'll skip right over them. Sar raiders fan. You want to throw one out. Go ahead brutal trent brown if he's as good as they hope. I hope he is yeah without brown. If taro williams isn't in there it's going to be pretty rough. Oh yeah that's imagine that who we forget now to that division we so you've got chiefs chiefs without clark. I don't think that's pass rushes existent. I think taryn matthew athey you could throw up as well because that's secondary's really the problem. I i re- kill feels like jenga piece of the entire the unfortunate you know. I just think that's it's. It's not going to push back on this one because greg's best player strategy you had me until this point. That offense is fine with. I don't think i think yes he is obviously veasley. Elevates them to a new level but i think pamela homes is so good and they think they have sufficient weapons that they'll still be really really good without him when he main events if you tried nick but it could be like greatest of all time with them. I don't know people have convinced me in the last week that the chiefs defense not only didn't get better got worse in the off season. I don't think that's true. I think just the coordinator change alone helps too but i don't think they got significantly better chargers. They already lost him. I know they can get by without him. I mean you could. You're talking german james but you could make the case. It was russell because they're he's being replaced by a second year undrafted craft guy who was so bad in his brief time last year that he got benched for sam tevi who turned out to be one of the worst tackles in the league and it's still there tackles. Two tackles are rough but i would go with those guys gone with keenan out now if they think they're ok it receiver. I think it would would be loaded. That's good but they're missing three of their best eight or nine boyer casey hayward. I think yeah i mean they've played without bosa so they played without ingram. They brought in early and tillery by the way lamp didn't win the job. You see that a lot of a lot of fourth lamp pipe you know second round guard has ever talked about more than four so let's not talk about him any further keep by here <hes> the the the other fellas heroes waiting any longer here and and now i'm losing my microphone. What gives the let's round it out here a._f._c. North baltimore ravens greg rosenthal one of their great supporters. I happen to love what they're trying to do. As well i also believe from what i've heard. People who are in touch with <hes> with the the insiders in that building. Even they understand that the high end for them is ten and six at at any given time they are never thirteen and three team in their never the three and thirteen team playing the style ball. They intend to play a year but there are middle of the pack team that at its highest. It's probably like i say ten wins you win. Ten games you go into the plath weird. You're not you're challenge for every team from game to game if they're willing to give you i mean imagine the preparation that goes into that and on the other side of that. You're going to be physically weekly beaten yeah. I'm gonna go matt jude. On how about you. I would go marlin humphry. There's of all the teams you brought up. Actually the ravens are weirdly the toughest. I don't know it's kinda shows they. I don't really have what's his top frontline talent there slot corner or they lost one of the lost. Some depth <unk> lost imagine being an n._f._l. Defender you're out on the field and it's not just oh they're running the wishbone like barry switzer would they have mark ingram doing it and they have justice hill doing it and they have gus edwards doing it and can addicts and lamar jackson jackson different kinds of runners who has the ball and well. How do i tackle this guy versus. That guy like justice hill versus gus edwards are the two very different kinds of human beings running with the football. I was going to be a lot to handle. I love it. I mean what i'm worried about the absence of a pass rusher which is why i chose jude on bungles this is tough baez sc probably like geno atkins or something. I guess gene okay. We'll move past them. Quickly the cleveland brown's. This is an easy one. I would go like j._c. Trader jolfa tonio this the good offensive some linemen. That's that's a fair point but the but the thing that makes them. Potentially special is miles scare right yeah. That was what that would have been my choice. I mean he's so good but i think they've got so much talent right now on that d. line they would go from being elite to just good see rosenthal's bringing me down his well of best plow. You're ruining the game our last asked one. I mean let's be real if you ask the coaches to play this game. How many players does it take to get the j._c. Gimme a break. She's our guest you mean onion rings and which he didn't like she doesn't like onion rings. Show you force those upon her. Now agree you to your show. Thank you all right. Let's rounded up here owned by the way the last question everybody has to be on the record. It's the same thing as the chip kelly think five years ago will it work won't work. Will the ravens offense work. Yes yes okay. We'll look back at christmas and we'll say i'm on the right side of history. I hope it does it'll make football pro football more fun. I hope they don't win the division speaking of which the pittsburgh steelers shouldn't you go first here. Who do i think they're jenga pieces. I love i'm <music>. I'm gonna take. I mean it's too easy to say juju but really i don't know what would happen without offense if they don't have juju and so matter of fact. I think l. benny's now. I mean i i i think they could probably go get a running back off the street. Who would be halfway decent behind that offensive line. I dunno. It's lame to say the castro. It's pretentious kosei decastro or one of their so good. It feels like if they lost one of them. They could compensate. Although i'll tell you who it is wow yeah i mean they don't have they don't have depth on the defensive line either so if they lose any of those three guys hayward or i guess to it to a lesser degree but i think it's also joe hey hey i think that's who i am and pick for me because i- greg's a lot higher on the secondary than i am i remember we. We clashed on this. I'm buying like the camp piece from your steelers. Writers already burns a better camera shots right or burns israeli air instead of the savior of already burns as a as a nichol can go in there and do something then then the defense. I think part of it is i like a lot of fans like mike tomlin and look at that roster and see. It's very talented and can understand why their defense we own that. We we understand that. Obviously we accept this challenge and we're ready to face it like somebody said the other day and it's i. It actually was i. I think it might have been the aforementioned simmons. No is kevin hatch said to me this and it's a great. It's a great point like when bill belichick watches hard knocks he must use as i what is jon gruden talking about bill bella all the platitudes and bala props and all the nonsense like what what are these guys talking about. You don't have to do any of that who who told old you that. This was a part of the <hes> of the drill here movies. You can't imagine ballot check being with me at one time and knock on wood yeah. Do your job what i'm telling you to to do. Everything will work out just fine all right. Listen gregg rosenthal what a pleasure more than a cameo really any brought food and everything classy move on his part. Meena unicom's always welcome here in studio sixty six proud of you for what my place to tell you. We're proud of you but happy for your grand success one of the nicest he says people in the business so next stop the stars and the monday night football booth. That's what i said for for next year. What do you think about that. That's perfect. You would like to see yeah third third in the booth. I think i think it adds. A lot of value have a non ex player a little different perspective but what about what she said about j._c. Shredder that's it's fun. Get twitter maddie. Go get him times. Make sure you listen to the meena comes podcast of course around the n._f._l. And greg rosenthal pretty much everywhere on every n._f._l. N._f._l. media platform now n._f._l. Now anywhere else to find you rosenthal. We're doing a show that starts next week a pick show there. You go so make. I'm sure you check that all out. Greg rosenthal mean thanks for listening football season is here. We'll kiss with you after week one to make sense of all of it for you until then thanks so much football fans. It's been a thin slice of heaven uh.

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F1 Rules Are Giant Jenga

BOX! BOX! Motor Racing Around The World

29:16 min | 1 year ago

F1 Rules Are Giant Jenga

"It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp oil. I'm James Allen with our teams around the world we cover motor sport in different countries so we wanted to bring you that Em- podcast for let's get cracking then much for joining us and we've got some great topics to kick us off with this first edition of Bach's is Para Daca quest while make sense for Reynaud and what happens next Holmberg change about the two thousand nine hundred ninety one rules so let's dive straight in with the Roberto and he really didn't need that he needed to put his leadership status on that weekend it was expecting a difficult second part of the season but at the same time after the Racing Mon so all the all the people were still kickabout lab difficult moment for the team I think was likely effect the TV in fifteen years ago and I was really surprised because these affect happens because speak to colleagues working across the Media Lake keep the numbers of well up on formula had for a long long time John Looking at it more broadly across the Formula One paddock we've talked for a long time about L. D. last year he had weaknesses especially putting together these key three laps going the sex times disrupt on team orders we send it'd be very hard of himself on the radio we city make he did on the day that his team-mate had a complete nightmare a so yes he showed he wanted it as well didn't he really is elbows out particularly with Hamilton. I think we're just in the trickier informal now is we've we've had this constant bouncing around between inside the not getting punished I think it's very very hard thing to find a proper way forward mice impressive about Charles is that you know this this aggressive driving we saw in monster and wheels you want us to track he felt that was unfair that he lost out that day so he's responded the weakness says Roy I have to do better he works arts and he delivers fantastic because he was out the front most of the time but Charles the clerk who was in the Midfield Casper rich bring you in here a- all these grown praise is he becoming established bogeyman then in the Dutch is I don't Eddie moment everyone's looking at Lewis and watching out for a battle just like Esteban loose and I think everyone is looking forward to that that that all in the coming line in the last season and a half now what's do you sense for Aria Ah losing faith time on the line in the we decided that Boston was the first tair child ceased when he did only only one season beckoned for awhile so everybody expected the stock to deem Bahrain everybody remembers that the end it was Sebastian that lost the victory for Ferrari so it was completely opposite the big prize for for that situation probably unity best Lupino the end Easter break starting the circumstances that the end so if we will do next race another mistake like a monster it enough for the for the

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Know The Song Or Get Shocked + Will It Uber: Jenga Edition

The Bobby Bones Show

1:44:07 hr | 2 years ago

Know The Song Or Get Shocked + Will It Uber: Jenga Edition

"All right. Bobby bones post show pre show. I was reading the story that I did not get today. And there's only a time of the morning when I can do it because we don't talk about drunk stuff until like eight fifteen or so central. The cuts down Pennsylvania police departments looking volunteers to get drunk in order for the department. Try new officers to administer filter righty tests. Yeah. Funny. I mean, it has to be easy to find volunteers. Right. I mean, there'd be a line out the door. Well, they're not paying people. Yeah. But you get free alcohol the party, I don't know about partying. But you do get free alcohol. I mean DJ have shot. Morgan to figure they want you someone out of the club getting in your car, and then they pull you over. Oh, they reenact. All that. Exactly. Got a set the scene they need volunteers April fourth twenty nineteen between two thirty PM and seven PM day drinking. Jurors best time alcohol be provided. You'll receive any compensation for your time. You have to be in good health between the ages of twenty five and forty clean criminal history. Do you have a criminal history from when we Donald Duke? So they claim that off right? I mean, I don't I don't know how that works because I never was found guilty. I think they expunged your record. They were supposed to I don't know if they ever did. But I don't know how it works. Have you ever been arrested before I say, yes? Okay. But being arrested and being convicted or to wait till they ask you if you've been arrested if you ever get in trouble have you ever been arrest for? Yeah. I've been arrested what will happen territory threatening on radio. So he tell which didn't happen. You have to you have to be honest because they pulled up and then it's like, oh, well, actually you've been arrested. That's what happens on cops. They lie all the time. They're like, well, you got to warn a cheat them county man with. Well, yeah. I forgot about that one. They still make new cops episode. No, all they don't know. But they have live PD. Now, they call center, like a whatever they have this guy. Oh, let's go out to Williamsburg county. And they go to weeds and county, and they show the people the pull over people live live. It's really live really lies. So if a cop knows that it's coming what he'd like. Okay. We're getting our hit and like eighteen minutes, go to it. If there's a good call like if they have something they don't just go ver regular traffic stop. But the only throw to it if something did they have a bunch of centerset. Cop. To the cops know they have a chance to be on TV someone over. Shot. Can you just show sounds interesting? It's pretty good. What's it called live PD anything ever go down? Crazy. Well, I mean, not anything I mean nursing shooting or anything. Okay. Claire history be willing to drink hard liquor to the point of aviation. No problem, and then have a sober party. Take care of you after the training Uber or lift whatever. I mean, how terrible would that be? If you're the firm that has a go and doesn't get to drink and yet to drive your buddy have someone come pick you up. Would you do that? Yeah. Not could you do it. But would you do it? It'd be fun. Get your buddies of free. Happy hour. Really? Let's go, you know, free. Happy hour to go to the police station where they get your drug test you for sobriety tests. And I'm good, I think. You're not with any. This is what I think would be interesting to do though is that I think interesting to go and try to take the test a real test drunk try to beat it. That's a good challenge. Because if someone said, hey, you take a lie detector and try to beat it because we're testing out or lie detector administrative. I'll be like let me in on this because one even if I don't I've been taking the tests and with it the next time, I've take a lot of texture. I wonder can you when they pull you over on this little test. Can you say no obser- are fused, the lightly declined. You get drunk on their alcohol, and then you don't take the test. Good. You know what? I mean. Thanks for the drink. That's funny. So we weren't here yesterday back today. Couple of things we didn't get to Raymundo has. A beat up blazer. But it's leaking oil like everywhere, right? Yeah. It's a pretty bad oil slick that it's creating in the garage, but there's actually good news from that. Yeah. So I should be shut down off the road. I got bad tail lights also the car. I mean, it squeaks it's probably not the safest on the roads. Folks. I passed my driver's whatever it is inspection. I'm good to go for another year and the streets in Asheville amazing. Can you tip guy and get a get past like a thing of yesteryear? I don't know how it is in Tennessee. But when we lived in Texas on new guy, you go, and he'd passionate matter what he just knew a guy. Yeah. New guy, and he had the stickers and everything they were legit. You give them a little low cash cash past all right off. What are you saying Raimondo? I'm just saying I don't know if the lady knew who I was, but she straight up hooked it up. I probably shouldn't be on the roadways anymore. Get a new vehicle something like that. But I can't believe the ranch truck has made it another miraculous year. Like, thank the Lord. Thank the universe. I don't know. For some reason smile down on me. And it was just an absolute beautiful day. Are you gonna get into car? I do need to. But I got a year. I procrastinate a little bit longer. I mean, you put it up for sale. You never sold it. No. I was trying for four or five thousand getting low ball offers. I'm not letting go for two thousand low-ball offer. If that's what it's worth, I think it's more than that KB's even more in two thousand so that say Kelley blue book. No, what is the pricing. I know Kelly as eighteen hundred now it was at two and a place will give you two. Dealership. So I mean, that's bare minimum like give me more. Not. All right. We're gonna start today show back after a few days off our encourage a of Amy's podcast. It's called four things with Amy Brown fantastic podcast. I do do see a pie cast award in your future next year. Okay. What category? Would it be under though? I don't know we cover so many different saying. So check that out every they're like a hodgepodge category. When do you put up new ones every Thursday every Thursday for things Thursday? There you go. That's how you remember like box. You're debating what day it should go up? And I was like well things Thursday for Friday. No, Thursday lunchbox. Raimondo a podcast called the store losers at a sports show. And I'm sure if you're listening to you guys have a lot to say about so-so so much a wonderful weekend in sports. You know, I had a girl told me this weekend. She goes I didn't really take for sports guy because she was like you watching the game. And I was like, yeah. She didn't take you a sports guy. Really? I was like first of all I would never talk to Oregon girl. You're just not getting the now because girls that about you that no that just means? I know I know how she's in new texting a new girl why not picking up on. Tech's says anything if I ask them questions is gonna get offended. Where'd you meter defended? I don't wanna talk about it. Life. Not mine. I shouldn't talk about. Exactly what he goes. Oh, go ahead. Where you meet her at a party, what party a party, it's her life. Do you just met in LA just Matt her Friday? No. You know, what what what what part of the go. How do I know her? That's a live aiming tear life. Wait. It was texting texting worry about it. Anyway, it was offended a bit. I was like wanted to national sport show for years to she say when you said that she goes, oh, I had no idea. So this coal nerdy music vibe. Now, he mate. You know, her, you know, her well pretty well. Yeah. Well, then maybe she didn't know about you. If it's who I think it is. It is that's so she didn't know that about it is now my gosh, y'all texting like who. Nothing just this constant. It's a thing. I battle was what do you battle nothing? I just need to just be friends. No, it's not. It's not that. Okay. What in the world who is it? I ever be herself. I can look at Amy did she'll get you can wash my face. I'm not gonna say anything Amy, but I can look at it. And she will know who I'm talking about looking at her. Are you ready? I won't even enough. Hi. Sunsetting I have to monitor this. So, you know, yes. Looking say some new. He told me. Yes. I didn't say anything. I just looked at me. And he thought about it. And I. To buck on Hans solo beer. No one move. He didn't have anything like you had a little smirk. And I was all you had like, I can write this, right? The name. Risa time communicating someway, no or not handed to Morgan over to first letter of her name. Just prove we're not making it up because we might be. Let's see. I hope not I hopefully, it would be on the same page. Yeah. You're on the same page. We've been together a long time can't believe you're testing, Cathy. Who's cathy? I dunno Kathy. I know who it is. You don't just by looking at the back of your head when you name your little games. I can look at the back of your head and figure it out anyway. We have that special connection. You back. The different connection. Eddie have onstage connection where I could move my shoulder. And he goes, oh you want that song? Yes. Yeah. All right. We're done. Here's today show. Listen sore losers podcast podcast to every single day. They're dedicated. Yeah. There's there was even talk coming in on the holiday where like well. I mean, we really need to came in yesterday. Yeah. We I mean, we thought about it. We didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, here we go today show starts now. And everything you want to say everybody has a great day. Your buddy miss the Bob. Transmitting america. Right. Hey, good morning. Welcome to the show more studio. Back live today. Here's something. Interesting. Raymundo who is our audio producer often bring him in early in the show because. I'm curious about his life. He's definitely the most odd of all of us. Right. Amy. He nutty things. Yes. He is getting blood taken out of his body and put into his head to hair back. Do you know that my did not is that is that the story on? Yeah. I'd tried a lot of different stuff the rogue gains. Sometimes even scout massages all this different stuff. And none of it really worked for me. And I was noticing a little bit of a balding situation my hair was thinning. And so then it's almost a trial thing I was doing and they put blood from my body in my head, and I constantly think that it's working. So where they think the blood out of anywhere, sometimes from my leg, sometimes from my arm. I don't think that's the part that matters. And then they'll just inject it in your head where you think you're going bald. And I swear like a week it's growing like, honestly, it's growing like a weed. Yeah. So I don't think a lot of people. It's your own blood. It doesn't have to be like blood from a baby know what most people just roll with. They're doing that. They're injecting young blood into them. The thing to say younger from a baby. Well, I mean, I don't know how young Ramona how much this cost to give blood taking every body upon your head. Honestly for me right now. It's a free thing. It's just a trial. Honestly, couldn't doctor house. These people are doctors. They're smart. They know what they're doing. And she. Yeah. And my ladies told me that she's has unbelievable results from people, and I told her hopefully, can we see some results in like six months. She's like your hair's, so long your your look like Samson pretty much, you know, like, maybe. Oh, come on. Yes. She said it's can be drastically and dramatically longer than is right now and I will have anymore thinning. So guys. I cannot wait iron some of that hair. Gertz? What's the science behind it? You know, I really don't you got go to school to learn about it. It's pretty it's pretty complicated. But yet it's just something about there's always got to be more and more like life in your head. Like, sometimes you're like parts of your head. Just doesn't have nerve endings or something like that in the blood like rejuvenates it, and that's how you grow hair. So the people go ball for some weird reason, they're nerve endings and stuff just ended up just kind of like dying in the blood brings life back to the hair. And that she's like just like you eat and drink water. Same thing with your hair you during. Yeah. You always have to take care of your head and your scalp and stuff like that. And a lot of people neglect it. Well, when should you have your hair back? So we no I'm telling you guys like six months, you're not even gonna recognize me. She said, it's it's growing this week. Yeah. I'll walk in looking like a Chia pet. Okay. What you think about? That all she loves it. And she's already the new here. Wait eating. There's everybody. A lot of everybody would say even some country artists have probably looked into it. I don't think all of them coming here with amazing hair. And they're not trying some of this different stuff. Technology is advancing. No. I'm intrigued I want an update, and I feel like I would just wanna make sure that you're safe, and it's really your blood, and it's my blood, and it's all proved I'm not worried at all who oh. Definitely a blood people. Not kidding. Cooler proving improving as if the. Goes I don't know the science and then the next second. He makes up science. Plants water, your plants, you're on your hair. All right. Well, let's show today. So interesting look at me. What if Raymond comes in though, with you know, Goldilocks hair, then we're talking about. Yeah. Then we'll start discussing. Show. It's producer. I moon to in weather news in the center of the country. Watch out tons of snow up north that turns to rain in Missouri. Arkansas and Louisiana in the NFL. The big game is all set the New England Patriots versa loss Angeles Rams in twelve days and finally airline news. Make sure you get to the airport early today. There were tons of delays and canceled flights from the bad weather over the weekend. And the TSA lines are longer from the government shutdown. A lot of these girls are growing up armpit hair. And then they're dying at unicorn color. Okay. And they're all showing it on social media, and it's called unicorn armpit hair. It's the newest bizarre beauty trend taking over the internet. It's offered January. We think about that. I mean, I'm not into it. The January movement is getting colorful as women across the globe are embracing female empowerment by growing their body hair during the month of January summer taking the liberation of dying their armpit hair rainbow. Now, the unicorn hair trips taken over the internet. Let me say this. I think it's unfair that you guys have to shave your armpits. Right. And you're like, listen, if you don't it's it's gross to me because I've been taught that that's gross. I do think it's unfair that you have to do that. Because if you were never taught that we would just be normal. It's not fair. It's not even went all the makeup all the time the fair, I know. The live by it's fair. Yeah. You wake up every morning, and you just take a shower, and you come to work and like you look fine. Like I wake up in the morning with makeup, and I'm like oh. That's why why two girls and guys look so different though, we we don't it's the expectation set up on us by societal norms, and it's unfair to females. That'd be an set us don't like to armpit hair because I haven't taught not to like it, sometimes and yoga teacher have armpit hair. I can't. I don't like to look at it. But to be fair I shaved monarchy. Trinite clippers to any. But Amy, whichever you can't removal ideal image Sarge, FOX, would you die your armpit hair? Sure. I mean unicorn color. I got no problem. I got a lot of armpit hair. So it look like a cool unicorn does your wife ever, let her hair grow out the? Oh, no. Oh, oh that is like oh. Like, you go to sometimes I go to a restaurant, and the waitress Armagh might and she has hair. It's like why are you looking at the wages because they go take your order, and they got a sleeve shirt or whatever it is like oh. I do I like it on women. No. Yeah. Absolutely gross. But I'm like you. It's just like, we don't know any difference. So that's kind of what I was used to in. I know even if it was rainbow color. That's just even worse. I think. No sometimes at yoga. I'm so shocked, and I don't wanna have any if people wanna not shave. That's fine. I don't want to have any judgment. But I am shocked sometimes at yoga and like everything looks normal. And then they raise their arms and unlike. I know it's fine. Like, they're doing whatever. But I'm like crafts, right? But then I so then I'm intrigued. So then I look at their legs, and they shave their legs. So I'm like, oh, why don't we just shave both? But one time as the Oga girl lifted upper underarms she had to cupcake tattoos. And I was like that was to hurt, but that's a me on Instagram, and I'd like to give as many crabs as this guy crap. But he was wearing Minnie mouse yoga pants on a plane. He didn't care, and I was like man, I would like to get not care. I really respect people that can just live their life and not worry about what others think tone. I really wish I could do better at that. I'm trying to do better at that. But I really wish there's there's there's something. Really awesome about that. Is there something like that? You think of that you could do that would be part of that? Yeah. I wish I was more comfortable in my body. You know, what do you to do with your body like my gut like? And I was like, oh, yeah. I wish I just didn't care. I just live my life. And and let let it fee how it is. I can't I would hate. I look at myself in the mirror, and I'm just disgusted with myself. Sometimes. And I wish that wasn't the case. I wish I didn't have those bodies. Yeah. Some of that's your body Dismore via which you've had for we've known you've had for a long time. I have it. I think it's common. We've probably all do. And some of us may have it the. Well. What you're saying is opposite definitely does not have VDB though, buddy does morphine disorder or more muscular than do you think he thinks must go to? Now. I just think he he he's comfortable in who he is. We should be jealous. Comfortable jealous. Of course. A lot of people are jealous of body. My look. Happens. I try to tell you guys all oh, you look like junk, you look down Bod or whatever we never. Junk ordina. Okay. So I get a lot of crazy big names and some of them stick. You know, you wanna stuck Eddie country music's youngest historian. Yeah. I do love country music, and I do love history. And that's why we do the segment right here. The Bobby bones show on this day grief. On this day in nineteen ninety four that would be twenty five years ago. Tim McGraw released indianapo-. John. Vichy wall. It became Tim girls breakthrough hit it was released as the first song from his album, not a moment too soon. The song never went number one. But it became Tim across first top ten hit country peaking number eight. Here's a story. Tim actually heard the song on the first day. He moved to Nashville which was in nineteen eighty nine. He said him at a songwriter set in a hotel room and the song played at forum and said, oh, I'm going to record that song. He played in clubs for years trying to get it. Right. He didn't know audience. We're going to take it because it was so different five years later he recorded he released it on this day in nineteen Ninety-four. And that's the history of indianapo-. Wow. How about that? It's always crazy to asong that always people say, it's gross on Allah wasn't even a number one. I know five years. Five years. He wouldn't play in culture five years before it was ever put out on the radio. One of my coolest Nashville memories period was his Haiti fundraiser that I went to and it was pretty intimate, and Tim rall was the person playing. And when he started playing that song. I swear to you every girl in their freaked out stood up from their hair was like completely obsessed with him from that. National Hollywood Morgan number two thirty seven Garth Brooks announced on his inside studio g that his next album will be called fun and it's coming this spring. He says that's the name because the album has been such a fun process to make carry on what? Mike Fisher added another new member to their family. His name is zero and he's eight German shepherd Old Dominion dropped a new song called one man band and lead singer Macura mzee says it's the first true love song that they've ever put out. Won't be you. Rundown. I'm Morgan to your skinny for the good news. So when a shout out to this dad, Greg and Cincinnati who's making sure that his kids don't miss out on any winter fun. Just because they're in a wheelchair. What he did was built a wheelchair accessible igloo for all nine of kids him and his wife adopted nine kids all have wheelchair special needs. So that in itself to me is like shutout good that this awesome. Couple has a dotted nine kids. Wow. Special needs. Yes. Which is definitely on whole 'nother level, and that they go above and beyond and try to do things for their kids. I love that story. That's a good one. And that is what it's all about right there. Showdown. This story comes us from bitten Arkansas eight thirty two year old man broke into two car sitting in a driveway. And then he walked up to the house. He was going to break in. He had second thoughts. He left. He gets only rises, man. I think I dropped my dentures in their yard. So he sends him a Facebook message says, hey, guys, I was walking to your yard. And I think I dropped my dentures police would to the video from the neighbors camera. So I'm breaking into the cars, and he was arrested. That's funny. What Abon head? That you're boneheads store the dead. Is the Bobby bones show? You wanna know why twenty nineteen is the year of fiends? Well, listen, I pay it's Bobby bones. And like most people on to find things that make you happy is the secret to having a great year. That's why you should play best phen- an amazing mobile game. That will let you do just that have a ton of fun. 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I was talking to some friends Amy over the weekend. We're talking about Neil Armstrong. You knew that is right. Yes. Who is the first guy on the moon? He didn't send like had confidence in that. But it was right? Like, all I just assumed you probably thought I knew who less is Neil Armstrong, dead or alive alive. No. He's dead. He's I mean years ago. Oh, guess it's buds that's still alive. Is Buzz Aldrin still alive? I think he's dead too. I think he this danced, Mike. We look up buzzer. He's still alive. Thank goodness. Okay. Oh, no. What I wanna see that? Ryan Gosling, Neil Armstrong movie. I man. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So here's what will happen. I will give you the celebrity tell me if they're dead or alive. Sounds like I'm going to be great at it Elvis dead. Correct. Elizabeth Taylor that correct. Mr. Miyagi or Pat Morita Saint person alive dead. David Bowie, dad dead. Betty white alive. Just celebrated a birthday to alive. Shirley temple dead dead. Paul Newman, dad. Sure of correct. Yeah. You did pretty good that I don't know that I would have got a lot of those right? That ain't gonna I would've gotten ill Armstrong. Yeah. Thank you. Well, yeah. And I thought he was still alive. So. Listen to John the whole thing. Well, here's the catch. Right. So dirty. John is a story. They wrote for like the LA times. Yes. It was a show. They did on lifetime. Bravo think. Well, but is a podcast one of those people like me in girls. Cast. I then Bravo, okay. So Amy says listen to podcasts of dirty, John. And so I started and it's pretty good. The episode forty five minutes, which is good. And then I get to the final episode last night. And I can't take it. Because it's scary. I don't want to run missed it again talking about on the podcast team. I guess okay. Even in your even just listening that may be. It is Iraqi had to turn it off. Because I don't know what happened. I didn't know what happened. So I was like I can't listen to this. I get such crazy nightmares. From told this story before I tried to read twilight, and I couldn't because of the nightmares. I'm so sensitive to nightmares. And so I woke up this morning and listen to it finish it. Okay. But felt more. Stay freaking out. Yeah. Because I'd have to go to sleep. But it's pretty good. I'm not going to ruin it for our listeners, but dirty John story about a dude is bad, dude. And he's what this woman, and you know, you're trying to figure out what's the all about. And then you find out what he's all about. But that's what's up. I know I keep my mouth shut. Okay. Spoiler. But I mean in general just. Get excited we all. So all who's hurt? Dirty all engines mazing. Yeah. It's so good. So I mean, that's how that's how you know. It's good. There was nominated for one of the podcast awards are already oh podcast awards where this past weekend. No, I was in the music category. But no it didn't win a little bit different. But there's a massive podcasts that were they were in like the true crime or something. Maybe I'm not sure what category was if they didn't win. I got to see who did listen to the doctor death one was nominated. Faked being surgeon plastic surgeon right reading that one. Anyway, I'll grab you guys some stuff from the podcast awards. I did a speech and at the end of it being funny. I didn't know people would think it was so funny GSI. Okay. So now. I'll put it up a playback in a second. All right, cool. Dr death is that one must be used to. Yeah. Oh, faking being a surgeon holding out on you'll never want to go the doctor again. Hear your top three songs in country music, number three. Ernie man. Still a bit number two Jason aldean, girl like you. The biggest song country music is Thomas res- sixteen. Six and three. Biggest pop song is. Thank you next. They like anything, Arianna 'Grande. Next. Hip hop song is post Malone some flour. Every time. Kidding? Bowl show. Got a lot of messages on my answer story saying, hey, where were you guys do today off yesterday? So we had a three day weekend. And I expected to still be in California. I went over for the iheartradio podcast awards. And I was going to stay for this big radio show called alter-ego because we was gonna play now can have the greatest time. Started snowing here and all the flights going to shut down in New York. And I thought I can't be stuck here haven't been home a lot so flew home mister show. And then it snowed. Like one drop one snowflake fell on the ground. Yeah. The whole show from one snowflake. I really missed out. But. Watch it online. Wasn't saying. So I did that flew back to the podcast awards, which are pretty cool because there are a lot of big time podcasters that I've only ever listened to the shows. And so I got up and I won the award for music podcasts for the Bobby cast. So I get up, and I do my speech, and it was pretty cool. Because again, all these Mike Tyson was in the crowd. Dr drew was in the crowd. I talked to them Dak shepherd was there is a really cool event. And so I get up and they're like podcast, the, Bobby, Bobby bones. I'd give my speech, and this is like the last ten seconds of my speech. Yeah. This is awesome. And I'm just a big thing vol, you guys the there's a lot of people in this room. So thank you guys. And that's all for me. A love you guys. And I'm on Instagram, Mr. Bobby bones. I'm single hit me up. All right. Thank you. So put that out there. So anything not really, oh, I mean, there was some people were sliding, which means they message me direct message on Instagram. But in their pro their profiles will be private. You have a private profile. If you're going to say what I need to stalk you before you start. Yeah. So nothing really who who are you saying I love you guys Kim. They're the ones who gave the word away. Okay. I was like, okay. Who's he talking to we need to know? This is mankind. And they were presenting the award for best music podcasts. And I was like holy crap. Man, Kim gave it's pretty cool. Yeah. So I would encourage you to go check out to Bobby cast, which is wherever you listen to podcasts on iheartradio. But yeah, I was looking at your podcast last night. Your pockets doing really good. Yeah. It really is might even our up you're doing work yesterday. And so I mean, we had the day off hours here. What you guys are snapping and guests, you know. Thing taking days off. Hey podcast. Really good good. It's four things with Amy Brown, even using your last name. Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. I'm on this week's episode to you are. How's it? How's the response? Do we know? Well, a lot of people have enjoyed having you on. They're like, oh, wow. Okay. You had Bobby? So it's it's been good. Because I think they I don't know if they wanted to earlier because you know, I've got nine episodes. So are really Craig them out. But I think that they were finally excited to see you on. I think they wanted to episode one. But I was like, and then they asked if you're gonna some people have regulars like my sister's been on a few times. And then I've got like a trainer that comes on for health and fitness tips, and the beauty, girl and fashion. So there. They're like we'll Bobby via regular like under like inspiration category. If you wanna hear me, and we talked regularly, but this show on all, right? I said I was like bobby's a little busy, and you know, we were together enough as the Amy says that, but I was out Saturday night with her kids watching a movie search for things with Amy Brown as well. If you look at for podcasts. How do we it was really good went to Wichita Kansas Friday night, which was well. It's technically a little outside in El Dorado. There's a cancer hospital there. So I did an event for them. And it was so fun and then flew, right home. Because I there was a blizzard that rolled in there, and I had to get home. There was actually a blizzard. There though, literally happened while I was on stage. I had no idea people were like getting up and walking out. And I was like, okay, I'm boring like what's happening, but they were getting Texan their family, like get home like it's bad. And we have the power went out. This whole thing we still had a great time. And then I I made it out got home. Luckily, and then just hung out with a friend in town and hung out on the weekend. You came by fun rocker weekend. Florida went to the beach got out of the cold when it got some sunshine. Got in the water, you know, walked up and down the beach in the sand. Bill little sandcastle. That's fun. Here's FOX freaking out over a dolphin. You. See this results on there's dolphins swimming in the water. Have you ever seen adult? Adult go to an aquarium. I've never seen a dolphin just sitting on the ocean. And there's a Dovid swimming by. Did it talk to you like? No, it didn't do flipper. But how crazy that you're just sitting there and the dovish jobs out of the water? It's pretty cool apparently pretty grazie. All the flipper. Did you flip river like the old show Nick Knight faster than lightning? No one. You see take it, Amy. When you see faster than clips smarter than he all, right? Good weekend number to do anything weekend. I went out. I was on Broadway all weekend. Saw that Morgan too is living the single life. Now she's out with a vengeance. Dudes. To give your number out. No, it was just really like fun and lighthearted weekend for sure do people still give their number out or they give their Instagram's out both. There's a good makes them both. I like hit me up on Instagram. You can follow me there. I'm like. Yeah. Maybe not or it's just hate to major message. Yeah. That's got to be way easier for people, and I would think so too because we do that. If it were me when we did it. We still have that. Oh. Oh. I'm still single. Okay. Well lucky you you have that. Because you can just be like, oh, hey, what's your Instagram? And it's not as like, hey, what's your phone number, for example, Charlemagne the God who does the breakfast club? Yeah. He was like, hey wanna okay. With a friend of mine when I was there. I didn't ask them. And it was like how do you to introduce you? And I was like all right. I'll just send your Instagram. That's how okay. Easier in what any update on that? No, not really, no. I mean, I just it's an integrated message of me. Okay. Hey, you're on the air Maggie and Saint Louis with having him not much just pulled into work. Not call. What can I do for you? Just wanted to say thank you guys. Always make my drive doors better every morning. Not much of a morning person. So is often fail to wake up and anticipate the drive to listen to you guys. Thanks, I tell you. I'm not a morning person. Either. If you can believe that Maggie, I do not like mornings one bit and have to wake up at three. Although I've moved my time to three twenty two. Yeah. Yolo right. Three twenty two. I'm not a morning person. Either Maggie and always loved it. Because you know, I had morning shows that I was growing up, and I will get in the car, and it'd be like, thankfully at people that I like to listen to. I'm not so annoyed and traffic in. Yeah. That's how it is. For me. I get up at like five bucks. And I'm like, I hate this. But what would you tell new listeners that are listening now for the first time a first couple of times about the show? You feel like you're listening to some of your best friend. Feel like at the morning show pre she ate that. I'll also say you often get annoyed with your best friend. So if you do get Noida with us. That's okay. Give it a second. Because we're as real as we can possibly be in. That's the case you get annoyed with us sometimes, especially me, right? Maggie. Oh, who who would you get annoyed with the most? I honestly don't know. It just depends. It depends on my mood in the morning there. Yeah. All right. Hey, maggie. Thank you for calling. Appreciate that. I appreciate you. Did you see the story about the X and how everybody draws an ex? No, it's the big internet thing going right now. Like, how do you draw an ex so in your drawn extra nappies paper take pen and drawn X because the internet cannot agree on the correct way to draw necks. Okay. So you go up left to downright. Yeah. And then upright to down left me. I go up right to down left. Up left to downright. It makes sense interesting. Yeah. The internet is arguing over the correct way to write the letter X, but ninety percent of people do it the two ways aiming either both in the ways that most Americans. Do it other countries doing a whole different way two hundred thousand people voted in the online poll the most popular way seven which way, did it. What you start on the upper left side. And you go across down to the bottom. Right. And then you go the other side, I do the other side which the second best way. What do you do lunch marks? Go upper I this way. Okay. This left to right. The English language left to right. I don't know. I do -sarily right? Didn't I go left to right weird? Visit 'cause you're left handed you start over here. No, sit I could make a lot of sense. No because my letters backwards. Like when I was just thinking about it before I did it. And I was just writing an ex I did it the way I did it. But then I decided to just write xylophone really quick. And I did it bobby's way so weird. I don't know Bobby dot com. If you wanna see it everybody was talking about that on the internet. Everybody was by the way. Getting a lot of messages from listeners on the text line where they thought this song said bacon, eggs bacon. Eggs. Thank you next. Here's another one. I thought that song. Thank you next saying bacon. Eggs. Multiple multiple message. Right. Yeah. There's at least ten now. Fake. Thankful for my ex. Hungry. Yeah. Breakfast man has been arrested after allegedly selling balloons filled with nitrous oxide downtown Nashville. What's you know, nitrous laughing guests? According to an affidavit from metro Nashville police to more Nance huffing balloons containing what most people call laughing gas. Nansen others were reportedly spotted huffing by an off. I've never huffed. That's like a fun thing to do. Just a word breathe it in. Oh, boy, he was eventually detained but an offer opposite notice a tank of nitrous in the back of a car. Yeah. That's probably a tip off has also looks like a bomb. How do people know? That's what you're selling. Like is there? He admitted to selling the balloons for five bucks. You know, I listen I've had nitrous before love it. Oh, yeah. The dennis. Yeah. I've never had drink alcohol or drug like an illegal drug, but I have done laughing gas to the dentist, and if someone said, hey, Bobby tank of laughing gas, and they brought it to my house. I probably like all right. Sit down see feeling has got it all wrong. He should dress like a clown and just have a bunch of balloons ready to go give it then kids are gonna come. You say no to the kids, but no Coppell question. You've your clown. Donny. But I'm probably be like give me. Five bucks turnouts fish? But it does. Fish balloons. Yeah. Never had it. Never been to Dennis laughing now because I haven't had I never I only recently have a cavity in. My humble rose humbled. Humble. So I never had crazy dental work where they needed to get in there. I'm such a whip going for cleaning and they're like. Do you need the the nitrous sometimes I don't buy. Sometimes I do like all right on the night, just for Bobby. They can floss him. Like, how do you feel Bobby turn on the Dave? I've never heard of that before someone sign outside of the road. Nitric oxide. Amy's house on Saturday night. And I I didn't go really to watch it watching the movie. The best part. Well, there's already been watching the entire decades such haters on this movie. Lauri. And so I go, and it's the Neil Armstrong movie with Ryan Goss, right, right? Right. Right. Great. Again, you arrived for the year nineteen sixty nine when he walked on the moon like we had to watch nineteen sixty six. No, they were complaining the whole time. Amy's husband our enjoying looking at history facts on our phone. My husband game at five moons five. I give it to moons. Moving got extra. Brian is good. I like. I like. It's time for the good news. Couple. Doug, and Michelle went to Costa Rica, and she lost her engagement ring. He popped the question at the top of volcano. But they lost the ring which by the way, the family for generations. No. Yeah. And then head home to North Carolina with the ring still lost a few days later. She posted a plea to a Facebook group to the people in Costa Rica, where they stayed David Harris's all the post and started looking twenty minutes, and he found ring it is went out and found it that's Facebook post. And so after a felon of the sand and a foreign country near volcano. What are the odds right anyway? That's good news. And judge David dude who did not have to go looking for it did not have to turn it in and did because he could easily found it and just to the pawnshop to my family would have done. Good, dude. Yeah. So that's what's all about right there. That was telling me something good. Let's go over to MARCY in North Carolina. Marcy, what's happening? Good morning, Bobby. How are you? Pretty good. I'm glad to be back at work you off yesterday or no I was not off yesterday. Hey, just know the day for you at saw mine right at another day at work. All right. What can I do for you? So on today is my birthday. Come on. All right. Go ahead. Yes. Yes. I wanted to speak to you and congratulate you on your win on the podcast podcast. Appreciate that. Yes. Longtime listener I met you up in Durham back in September. When you were in the area. I loved it. Yes. I really enjoyed meeting. You love the show every day on the way to work. Do you? Listen to my podcast the music podcast of the year. The Bobby cast. I do do you have a favorite episode actually the Chris Stapleton episode. I really enjoyed that. Good. Chris able to come to my house, which they often do and we talked for an hour. And yeah, I've seen Chris in a while. But Chris, and I are pretty good buds. Yeah. Thanks a lot Jake going by the house, and we did really good to have you heard that one yet. But you can search Bobby cast wherever you listen to podcasts and here the award winning Bobby cast. At wherever you listen to podcast. Hey, thank you very much. Marcy, take hey, glass room seventy books in there. Can I get Martha book for? All right. Hey, marcy. I'm gonna send you a copy of my new book fail until you don't and I'm gonna sign it. Awesome. He does have a great day from gonna sign it from word winning podcast. Bobby hold on. The latest from Nashville and Hollywood Morgan number two thirty seconds skinny Garth. Brooks announced on his inside studio g that his next album will be called fun. And it's coming this spring. It's called fun. Yeah. F- you. But it's a hard rock. And I didn't know that was the name of it. Listen, we guard says I think you can take it times. Ten what it really is going to be. So it's gonna be fun for all dominion dropped a new song called one man band and lead singer Matthew Ramsey says it's the first true love song. They've ever put out won't be on. Be. Rundown. Show lay down. Trash hotel. Anything? I don't want to be on. That good. Good Lauren Elena and her longtime love Alex broke off their engagement after being together. Six years. I saw that sucks for them. The one thing I know about life. They don't stop. Did he make sense? I'll tell you. But listen that's a weird one for making. I'm close with Lauren. Yeah. I saw that. I saw them release that yesterday that stinks one thing. I know about love is not alive. Man. I don't understand it. All right. Number two. I'm Morgan Ritchie. That's skinny. Your buddy miss the Bob. Transmitting across America. Right. Going over to Amy with the morning corny, which we do every morning at this time. Morning, gordon. What do you call a crab that plays? Baseball would call it crab. The plays baseball pinch hitter. Yup. Yup. That was morning. Gorny nail jokes recently come on. The bachelor was last night last night. They good or no, it's it's it's hard. It's getting better way thinking about Colton. He's interesting just because I wonder if this season is the season that he you know, because he the virgin now, that's what I'm saying. Is it going to happen on TV that no holding out for the right moment? I don't know that it'll happen in fantasy. Sweet. I don't listen. I don't know what the show does. But you he's okay. He's okay. And last night, there's this girl Dinnie, she's only twenty three and she's talking about this girl. That's thirty one on the show, and she calls her a cougar when our Twenty-three though, I thought people thirties old. I mean, she thinks thirty one year old is only thirty eight now. So here you. She can't be passive aggressive and condescending towards me and some of the other girls, I don't like it. But being an older woman around a whole bunch of younger women, and especially the fact that all of us are so beautiful. She is in the cougar club. So I would be freaking out of her the cougar club is thirty one. Years old maybe a twenty three year old that's the cougar club. Thirty one. Yeah. We're all gonna be all you'll be part of the cougar club. It's all relative. I was reading a story about to Miss USA contestants Miss America. I guess it goes back to miss Alabama versus miss North Carolina. And it goes back to their pageant nays when they're battling for miss USA. So they're both on the show and they're like rivals, so miss North Carolina. Miss Alabama goes and bad. Mouse miss North Carolina to Colton. Are you saying he mean is she manipulative is she fake this? She hard. It's like that. No, I want that. I feel I don't even know what was said don't so Hannah was saying if that's what you want. Then you don't want me. And so this Kaelin responding this miss North Carolina in terms faced when she started to get in her head because I was figuring out, but she didn't place in like these girls opened their mouth when they talk. People. They know how to talk and I talk so gives. But it wet in that moment, she started in started to do things. I was like relation deceitfulness much more this. Here's Colton breaking away. Russia because I like both I was hoping to have some clarity. I still don't the statement. Like Hannah said if you pick her you're not going to see the full her like that your mind coming into this. But can somebody take advantage of me? Right. So basically a boils down to Hannah being jealous of Kaelin Kaz Kaelin placed at the miss USA Paget and Hannah didn't. And so then she's going to go and try to, you know, sabotage a relationship with Colton. I mean, it's drama guys. That is where it's at the season, the two pageant girls will they fight bare knuckle. Could you imagine if you are the bachelor? Or miss Alabama. Listen have girls. It's I guess the thing you're gonna have girls fighting over you. That'd be. Have you ever had that? No, no. I have my answer store yesterday. I did a ten questions still up. But hey, the back when I was as of today. No meaning right now. No that means not. No. I just don't think that I wanna talk myself into a corner. Gosh. Well, if you found love on the bachelor that was so great. I'm not against no they anywhere couple of weeks ago. When the bachelor was premiering, they did this whole look at bachelors and bachelorettes have ended up together all the babies had been born because of this show. It's a lot a lot more than I thought I just don't want to be known as the bachelor guy, but luckily career before and you have more going on after won't define you. I don't know. It's pretty definable thing known as a dancer. I can't even believe I'm saying this saying what that like I kind of want you to do it. You were the ones so anti it for so. That's why just said I can't believe I'm saying this. Well, there's nothing. There's nothing right now. Nothing that I would feel good talking about. Okay. Okay. Most people don't want me to do it, by the way. Even if I if it were thing most people that I know are like don't do it. And you're not one of them ninety more laws. We're gonna play will at Uber. So there's an app and you hit the button. And then a car comes to you. It's called Uber car and usually get in it, and they take you somewhere, except we like to put things in the back of the car and see if they'll deliver it. And so now, we have Jenga tower lets you there can you hear me? Yeah. So we have a phone call you a fully built Jingu tower, and we're gonna take it and put it in the back of the car. Do you have money my wallet? Yeah. I got one hundred dollar Bill. Now, you don't you're lying. I know I got a dollar Bill now we're talking, but I was making people the baller. So give the Uber driver twenty and say, hey, this is really important. This is delivered standing NPR's. Please don't let it fall down. And see if they'll deliver fully built to Eddie. Okay. Yeah. How long until the car gets there right now. Let me. Ooh, it might be out here. Hold on walking outside. Do you have the tower built ready to go? I got the Bill we're gonna play. One minute away one minute away. Okay. We'll wait for the car, then and Adia standby. Yes. Ain't do you? Call it. Jingo? I gave you a giant Jenga thing for your patio at your house, you use it. It's still it's like life-size Ginga when you have people over thought to be fun. It is fun. Yeah. We played at one time. Parties. But when I did have we did play Jenga. How do you say Morgan number two Tanga you say Django pie the right way? We say Jane guessing, gene, Ginga walks out. Minute. So I mean, I it doesn't it? Maybe thirty seconds waiting on the arriving now arriving now. Hamry Toyota Camry. And this guy has a four point nine rating. Wow, he'll deliver. Then he's pulled up right now. Right here. We're going to listen. A ride a ride. I love this is this is the Beal all right here. He ever play jingo plaguing. Okay. So this is a tower jingle blocked, right? And you cannot let it tip over. If if if it doesn't fall over you get a big tip. No, I need to deliver that to my boss again. I don't know. Here. Here's a tip. But. No, no. You can't let it. Here's your twenty. Here's a twenty dollar tip. Do not let that fall. I lose my job. Put it. You can put up on the seat. So you can hold it. Okay. Okay. I know Harry, man, but Lon job is in your hands on there's another twenty on the other side of it. There's another twenty when you get there if it doesn't fall, and I get to keep my job. Okay. And if it does fall build it back before you drop it off. Yeah. And if it falls you build it back for you know, my boss without fire me. I'm dead serious. I am I am sure. Like, do you ever take Gina? You've never. Say Bill because my boss, it could not come with this. You gotta hold that the whole way. And if it does fall bossing say, thank you next couple of blocks away. Right. All right. Do not let that phone promised me. Take my hand. Hey, let's say, hey, let's say. Do not let the book fall this job. Amen. Amen. All right. All right. Good luck. Took it took it. He was so bad. He was so mad. He's mad. But he was like, no I cannot do that. And I was like third, but I got I for my job, and he goes. Okay. Then you gave them twenty bucks on the front side. Right. And he made me bring it up to the front seat. And he has it in the passenger seat, and he is holding it with his other hand. Okay. And he is so nervous. I come back in coming in high. We'll see the Jenga will number Eddie. There are so many problems with this. Why he said a prayer? I know I was like a prayer. And then you said there twenty bucks other side of this. I don't have cash now. I'll tip them on the app. Okay. Good. Yeah. That's how that's how the app works at Wardha. Didn't know that didn't know that gas station of what no I'm gonna door. Okay. Talking lot. Okay. Always attorney truck. Okay. Kim more. Running jeff. We'll come back to you a minute. Okay. We'll see if you deliver. All right. All right. Hold on a minute. There's Eddie waiting to see if the jingle tower will Uber. What we're trying to see if this Jingu tower will Uber from our studio to the store few miles away. Eddie there. But I'm here, I'm here. Okay. What's he looking for? I it's like a gold Toyota Camry as ninety one minute now should begin there anytime. Okay. So far nothing. Okay. Now, we want the tower to still be fully erect. Okay. And you say what next or what no trying to give lunch box up to say to the guy to. Okay. But if it's fully up just a, hey, man. Appreciate that. One up. We're big on. All right. Go ahead, and he's driving very slow. Of course, there is tell my health. Yeah. Okay. He's got one hand on it. One. Hey, how you doing man? Look at that. It's together you got it. Have you been holding the whole time? Wow. Good work. It's all together. Not one piece of fallen. Wow. Wow. Tell them somebody's getting promotion today. ABC grad getting it from any knocked over on accident. All right. Okay. We gotta be careful over here. One pieces missing. Okay. I got it. It's okay. I got it. I got flow. Oh. Well. Okay. I never saw. I never saw it together. Like what happened? What? Kind of felt. Yeah. But he said he would you have it all together? I know telling me, tell them good work, and we're tipping. Hey. Good work. My man. Good luck. We're gonna tip you. Okay. Good. Thank you so much if not his okay that was my phone. Okay. All right. All right. We'll do. Is Amy with the the dirty prank there? That's funny. Eddie coming back in. Hey, twenty bucks in my wallet. There you go. Well over. Yes. So the New England Patriots are going to their third Super Bowl neuro for the last five years. And. A patriots fan paid one hundred eighty thousand dollars for having tickets for eight seats on the fifty yard line. It could be Tom Brady's final game. If he wins. I love Tom Brady. I love patriots. I think it's so rare in our life when we get to see pure excellence and people like, oh, I compared him on Twitter to Michael Jordan because everybody now brags they gotta see Michael Jordan people love, Michael Jordan when he's playing because he won all the time. We were like tired of Michael Jordan winning. But now everybody brags about oh member MJ doing Tom Brady. Like enjoy the fact that one of the greatest ever you get to watch live like LeBron enjoy to watch Laurent. Yeah. Yeah. Like Bethany Franko totally enjoy which house why you housewives ever. So anyway, one hundred eighty thousand dollars for eight seats on the fifty yard line Salat into his top aide. Like my face. We don't know who it is though. No. I didn't say who it is. My space leaning people get that reference Morgan them until you get the reference my space. Yeah. About eight tickets. Do you know, what topic means? Yeah. It was like tap eight best friends that was probably the first social media. I got on which topic friends go where they're like on your profile. So people could see it. Everybody could see your friends where it was all drama. If you didn't choose somebody. Did you have my space when you were like to had my face? I think I had it for maybe a year before it kinda went out Morgan said, she went out and she's single now. A lot of our listeners know Morgan to a single union boyfriend broke up Helena, go it's been about two months now maybe last week when you told us, yes. And so she went out, and she said that a lot of listeners were coming up to her cheering her up during the night. Nice. Yeah. I was I was out and somebody ran up to me and they're like guys we're gonna twos. Recently single. We gotta give her a lots of love and they start dancing around me. And making sure I was having a good time. So it was great the Jeff on. I had so much fun. Where are you looking for guys to come up with say what up? No, I mean, if it happened cool. But I was I'm. Ving so much fun right now just like getting back into the groove of myself. Like, I was on the dance floor all night long. What happens if you run into your ex boyfriend? Yeah. That'd be a thing at your normal spots was that you guys is normal spots. It's definitely impossible that I could happen. I'm waiting for it to happen. We'll have I will probably just leave finding new find new dance floor for the night. Are you looking for when you're out you're single now? Are you expecting to buy drinks now while you're letting everybody you're single single single saying it over so free drinks, free drinks, free drinks? I mean sweet school, but I have my own drinks. Our guy supposed to go up and just offer to buy drinks initially. I can tell you. I've never bought a been like Hailin by drink the only ever bought someone a drink is if we've been hanging out for a while. And it's like, hey, everybody drinks. And that's even a rare thing because I don't drink the drink cultures. We'd to meet and weird isn't I just don't understand it. I think women expect it expect it. A drink before even talk to you is that the way to talk to someone. It's definitely a natural way to happen in a bar. That's like an easy way to be like, hey, can I buy you a drink? Instead of like, hey, can I get your number at least you can kind of have a little conversation. Film to see if you want to even get their number. If there's someone look at him until in a bar restaurants that I want to talk to do my thing which I steer from the corner. Crepe believe pray that somehow they have to walk by me. I turn my back to them. Go. Oh. I'm terrible. I mean, if someone offers a by you drink are you so watch them like the whole time. Make sure that they go to the bar. They get the drink. They put nothing in in the neighboring it back to you usually go to the bar with them. Oh, you do. Okay. Yeah. The girl goes to the bar with you when you're going to buy them a drink. They don't usually let you just go up by one and bring it back to. Yeah. Got it going to be no one by your drink Morgan. Number two. I did have a few shots about. Difference between shots during. No. I did. How did I think? So because I think they're like really trying to get you. Shot means guy is really just feeling yell. I would think the opposite. I would think is shot. You're not really into them. You just want to like get her going. They get drunk. That's like saying if I really into someone I wouldn't I wouldn't want that at want to have the conversation when they're drunk because shots are more expensive than a drink. What would you prefer Morgan too? Well, I'm gonna shout girl. I really. Take it. Lunchboxes painting a girl girl has what I'm talking about. Say that you're back in this wing back in the saying, it's good. It feels good. Our guys hop in your DM's. A little is sliding what are they saying? How just like, hey, can I take you hours at cool normal guy takes you out? Like, what do you like to do? We're dinner. No, I stopped watching them. I had to live with so minute. How about you? Let me go through your pick someone that. And you have to go out with them guys. Okay. Yes. Yes. That's scared. Do they need a chaperone VO? Yeah. Like to follow behind to make sure nothing happens. How awful we the guy. You picked ends up being dirty. John. We'll send might be. Like these the whole time. Yeah. Let me look at those DM's. Maybe we'll find somebody for you. Okay. But you're good spirits. Okay. Right now. I'm having a good time right now. Are you still bummed out over the no I'm at that point of my life to move on? Yeah. You're over him. Yeah. Not totally. I mean are hard how much percentage of us over eighty percent. That's pretty good Roth over you. When was I under- you? All right. It's time for the good news. Scott is a professional poker player and he wins and online tournament. Congratulations. You win entry into another terminals. We goes tournament. And it goes, you know, what I'm all in slides chips to the middle of the table loses. He gets third place walks away with six hundred seventy one thousand dollars donate every single penny to charity. Yeah. The most ever wanted to terminate before that was seventy thousand dollars, and he don't need all six hundred seventy one thousand dollars to charity super-rich poker player, even still. So a lot of money. That's still so much. Wow. Wow. Is right. Six thousand charity weight goes good. Scott inbox. Jay. Excitements in Bonn, nice works. I five that was telling me something good. Your buddy miss the Bob. Transmitting across America. This is about. Insane. We're gonna do this segment where I had this dog shot collar that's mitt for big dogs and everybody gets to pick their own song. So I'm not forcing it on you. It's not trivial. You don't know. And all I said was you have a one minute to sing everywhere. Right. Don't you get shocked? And so I said, hey, what's everybody doing? What songs now being shown the song here? Lunchbox are you doing? What's love got to do with it by Tina? Chancing those house the timer will start with the first lyric. Okay. I did long draw purpose. Yes. Alliance. Okay. All right. Let's smart, and I thought about doing ABC's, but I didn't think you'd let me do that. It has to be in. The system was the only rule producer Eddie are video producer. What's you? Pick calling Baton Rouge. Amy. Dear mama. This is a lot of word. Like, I know, you know, it lyrics, and when he brings goes you appreciate. Now now. Okay. Hold on. Getting up. I'm doing. I mean, dude if you missed this up. We'll be measuring the cell like Amarillo by morning, whatever you want. There were no rules. The only rule was there's one role. I guess the only real was had to be in the system. It could have been anything wonder how long into the two pox is a minute. Who knows? Hi, hope it only goes to crack fiends. We'll do is let me hit this. I'm gonna go. I want to go I draw for it. Do you put off over names down? Okay. I'll you Scott him curry, this is it, and then we'll sing it. Don't mess up a word you have one minute where you get shocked to the dog collar. Okay. Good. Here's the game. We have a dog shock collar. We'll put it on whoever gets their name drawn. You have one minute of any song that you picked by the way, just to get everywhere. Right beginning song, you get to know the song you get to pick your strength your wheelhouse. All right, ready to go to all of us are doing it. Unless only three of us do and someone gets lucky. Way to go. I'm not gonna draw the name then. So we'll let might mighty be the first person it's going to play the game. Up. I is Bobby volunteer. So put the dog show on his neck here. Hey, let me see if a second to make sure that. Okay. So this is the shock collar. I'm gonna put it on level ten which had always stays on. It's meant for dogs over one hundred twenty pounds. And so here's the shocking sound sitting the Mike von here. There you go. I heard that pulsating through. I got to get on Chicago Cubs t shirt on. Stopping on his neck get it on their tight lip it much much. What song have you chosen? Titan a little bit. Just like this. Why are you proud wrong with him around my neck you? Okay. Don't you dare a little bit? Not to hold the EU has to auto. I this is how I don't trust them bones. I don't either. No, I don't want you choke me. We're not watching team. You're you're the only one tied it. So you don't have to hold your hand. Put both hands down is still. Okay. Here we go. Are we ready? You have one minute from lyric of Tina Turner. What's love got to do with it? Hold on go ahead. So once I miss a word, you don't just continues to show. You're right back on the words. That's gonna come. Minute. You've got a couple of seconds to get back on track. Okay. The next word because you're gonna be flustered. You'll have three seconds to get back on my gosh ready here, we got and Tina be with me right now action. Tina turner. What's about to start? When the first lyric start your right, right? But I don't know what it's going to start ready. Not yet. The song. Okay. Tina Turner messes up shock here, we go three two one. Hugh must understand though. The job y'all hand makes my poll three seven seconds. Thanks. My react. Did track. Say only shot. Jewett nor that it means more than. Two two or six seconds love sick. Head. Say what? Came with. Seconds. Go. Confused. Shot three two one. His law that makes me just girls. Yeah. Pretty solid. Yeah. You didn't shock you feel bad for you being on his and he kept looking at me like. You're pretty. What come back Amy adhere myself? Okay. Go to the bathroom. Thank you, three minutes. Well, we do have the shocker in the studio. Shocker. They do the shocker on the show. Vein. The shocker. Doc, shot collar and lunch boxers did it and you pick any song you wanted. But if you mess up a word you get shocked. Okay. So lunchbox Tina Turner. What's love got to do with it who did a splendid job blended job? So my over Amy has picked to puck. Dear mama. Eddie s pick column Baton Rouge. Pick friends in low places. So we can't mess up single word. We get shocked. We ready might need. I'll hold the hat. Here we go. Are we ready, ladies and gentlemen? Number two is. Oh, my I feel like I was born to do this. How ever go ahead when you put a shocker on it changes everything. So we had dog shot column for dogs over one hundred and twenty pounds less FOX pajamas neck type, I will. He did not do. Well, this is an example for him later. Remember? Let me do it. And then you can check it. Yes. Absolutely. Because I'm not like you Eddie strapping the shock collar to his neck has pretty good. Yeah. Right lunch is a holding adjusting it come on blocked the headphone because I feel it. I. All right. I'm ready. What did it shock? I'll just making. I know I've pushed the sound button to make sure that receiving signal. Put your head hitter shocker into the microphone. No, no, no. Yes there. It is ready. All right. I'm running one minute from the moment that you start with the lyrics. Come on go. All right at doing combat news anytime, you miss a word. I'm gonna shock you. Okay. All right. I know this by heart. I've known this came out in pieces. I got the shocker ready at his dancing around. Time already last night, we go. Hey, go. I spent last night in the girl in the end. No, I met her on the high. With her. We come to come station to woman. Strange situation stopping every hundred miles combat and rude. The nation not conversation or you. Looking at right here pick you turn a little bit big. A replay last night's events wrote three my mind. What? I need a Cup of coffee and a couple of dollars change. Nailed the chorus. Greta would put me out. Pat. The one more. Suck way too many times. My words where you may not even know where all the. Yeah. That's the problem is calling the words, but yeah, we got. There you go to are. You sure what what side is that? I use the Garth Brooks. This terrible. I hate them. Okay. We have one more person. Amy. It's other now at both picked are Garth gar. The goat. I wonder if Garth could put this on his own song. Probably not. All right. A new segment when artists come in. We started the show. We were like, let's have artists everything and we'd have come into do those those shots, and they score lime in iron, man. Was awesome. Do this ironman shot? Where what what would you do you do the salt up the nose, and then you shot it to kill it? And then you squeeze the lime in your eyes. Oh. All right. Are we ready? So we have a hat the beating at that's two names and Amy my own. I'm not drawing might drawing the name. Yeah. This is the last person we're in the dog shot caller. It is. I just got a pass checking the lyric will. All right. No. What do you mean? Be shocking because she will do it. Honestly, I I don't know. Strapping this on you can live stream this if you want Morgan over to Miami, Bobby is not your boss right now. I'm never heard boss. Where's the remote? Don't do. Not shock me before the test shock, Amy because I didn't test. I don't wanna Unical heads in Iraq worked. You're right. Okay. My next still hurts blame it all on my rule blame in glee me. All right. Electric. We'll do not shoring. Going to. I'm not your boss. I will fire you. I'm just kidding. All right. It's it's on. We see gay. Have one minute to get it doesn't start till? I interesting you're putting on your spine. You start to think, you don't know the word when you put us, right? All right, ready. Gary go. Lame at all, oh, my roots. I showed up been moose in ruins your black tie fair. The last one in the know the last one is show was last one you thought you'd see there. This apprise and the fear is. When not to kiss glass of champagne, maybe good. I toast to Jews. Honey, we may be through. But you'll never hear me. Place, whiskey, drowns and. As is operatives. Away. And I'll be k-. Off. They started yelling. I'm sorry. Show. Yeah. So. Maybe sub. So I got I just oh. I to get to. It was perfect you because he did. Into it. I thought. I guess shock for no for perfection. I'm like Tom Brady hit me because I'm perfect. You were one hundred on on my goodness. This cost me having to do it. Yes. When you can't be shocking people. There's a responsibility of being a shocker and he trusted. We would have never done that. Sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. Wait. Lyrics her song. She hip hop song. Yeah. I'm so dumb because I'm so nervous right now. Okay. Where is how this mighty? We tighten it on. Get the shocker ready if it works, I feel weak. I know you started thinking, maybe, I don't know those words. Over. I'm ready. I'm ready to see this. I don't want to shock me in the. On your learning. Put on the spine. That's crazy. I I want it. Like right here. Just hold it. No, not you let someone else hold before. Heading. Yeah. Okay. Come over here. Herreid? I'll hold it. Amy's got a dog called stand. She's gonna do to puck. Dear mama has so many words earing alll. Oh, she's gonna shock earring. This'll be fun trials all over. Ready? Down on Amy. It doesn't start with your real. Okay. Okay. He goes, Amy everybody. When I was young a mama had the seventeen years old kicked out on streets, though back. Woman to love that could take my momma's place spin from school scared to go home was a fool with the big boys. Breaking all the rules. No sorry. And even though we had different daddy's the same Java with things wrong with blame mama reminisced. Saw the stress soco's. It was hell hugging mama from jail cell and who thinking elementary. See the penitentiary one day run from the police. That's. Back and even as a crack. Fiend, mama. You always was a black Queen, mama. I'm sorry. Maybe. Sorry. Every night it except cheated and showing me for. I did. All right. There you go. That thing scares the crap over. Yeah. Coming up tomorrow. Go back to my doctor today some follow up some blood work that didn't come back with an the answers last time. And so what's cool is I go to my doctor, and she he's a general care doctor. And so the first time I've been to. But there's like this computer portal, they call it where you sign in. And they're able to send you all the info that you need through your log in. I sent a message back, and I was like, hey, when can I come back in is got you. It was all through this online. And not only that. And I put it on my answer story. If you go over my name is Mr. Bobby bones. And they actually tell you everything that you've been diagnosed with and so if you look ancestry, I think it's the last one I have right now. Let me find it. Ten questions. Okay. Here you go. It's a it's called a my health thing that here the things that I've been diagnosed with and I just show you because I know that if I'm going through the stuff other people are too. So I'm not embarrassed about it one post traumatic stress disorder that's on their generalized anxiety disorder, which I talk about and then insomnia, and it has the whole thing. It's pretty cool isn't now. Well, because the doctors diagnosed me with it. So it's in the system. Universal system. I don't know how it works. Exactly. I don't know how TV radio works. Who cares? How the internet works anything work. Here's what I like it all I know. I'm just curious. Go to store story was humans, insomnia. I never sleep man. That's hard, dude. Last night. I was trying to fall asleep. And I was like I'll just put on a podcast. And so I started listening to John. You can't listen to someone. That's like interesting. I didn't know. I'll go to the office right or listen coal play play list. But then that's burnt now. Because I two hundred times kind of over so dirty, John. And I started to get scary turn it off. And it's like now what do I do? So I turned off his back on. Here's the weird thing about Netflix to is that if I'm watching it in the daytime every episode it comes up watching and have to go. Yes, I'm still watching. But at night, I'll on it'll run like a whole season with us stopping me. And I wake up like wait a whole season is went by what does he do that? I don't know watched the fire fest documentaries this weekend or two to them. And so there's a big festival. It was they couldn't get up in time. The guy's going to jail for it for. So I would recommend if you have Hulu to watch that one. I because this too version it's a little more like the nuts and bolts of it the standard behind it. And the guys who did the Netflix when're also in trouble. They're part of the trouble. And they didn't acknowledge that in Netflix on. They did because they're the ones who did it did than the documentary. They're both fantastic. Netflix wants a little better. But the guys who worked for f- Jerry are in trouble for continuing to promote even though they knew that there's a lawsuit against them interest. And it doesn't Hulu. So they made the second one in the like nothing to do with this. But they're good. They have so much money. So it's a festival that they've planned, but never happen. It tried to happen. Kind of happened. Oh, you have. The news. Happened Sullivan the news. Oh, it's fantastic. If you don't have Hulu. From me. But no that the guys who made the Netflix one are involved in the actual festival. Right. So Gordon to watch the second they kind of kept their themselves out of getting in trouble. So, but it was I watched a boat. They've been really good and only won't watch something for three hours. I watched them both wall Joe in rules involved. How is he not in trouble? Because most people think he was just brought on as the celebrity head like the face of it, even though he probably was more than that. You'll see watch. Netflix one. And it was like why mind-blowing F Y R E firefighter documentary KENDALL Jenner they paid her two hundred fifty thousand dollars for one Instagram post about the festival and within forty eight hours they'd sold like ninety five percent of their six thousand tickets her post has been deleted because people believe this. She in Konya would be there because she didn't market hashtag ad which was the big hell for step in. Now, you have to do your profiles hashtag at some point in it. So people don't think that you're just going and like taking part in being paid. One of 'em. You listen to this one of the pilots and chief technicians of the festival learnt how to fly using the Microsoft flight simulator like that's where he took all his lessons, and he learned how to tricks get up in an airplane. And try the tricks out that he'd learned on the Microsoft. Microsoft flight he signed a little plane back and forth. Yeah. Take the people. Do you have a real pilot's license? Okay. Okay. The original location plan for the event wasn't island once owned by Pablo Escobar, and they said, hey, you can't publicize that any did. Anyway. So then they shut the island down had to go to different place, and they act like it was it wasn't. It was the whole. It was they've Photoshop out the rest of the island to it made. It looked like it was an island by itself. And they it was really not. There was other community all around it. They were so short on money to festival is they were like, hey, we're not taking any money here. Just put on your bracelet because in some festivals do that where it's at the digital bracelet. And but what they would do is put on a bracelet. And they would take the money and spend it back try to get the festival going. So it was always like say, rob Peter to pay Paul writes. Yeah. And then the guy that's in jail. Billy McFarland who did the whole festival. He commits one employed put one hundred fifty thousand dollars a fire expenses on his American Express card on the employee card in the two that do get screwed. Okay. Then one Bahamian woman who served as an onsite organizer had to pay fifty dollars for money to the people cooking and their staff because she wasn't gonna let all of them. Eat the money. She was like I did. It. She was like, I pay my savings to pay all the workers. So they just okay. I guess I'll watch it and find out, but did the guy is really really really want put on a festival and just didn't manage a copper or he wanted to swindle money out of people. I think he wanted to put the festival on do think that but the problem is once he learned couldn't do it. He kept going. Okay. What are you say? Yeah. But I feel like he's been business majors were swindles. Also, I think he was just a swindler. I think he was was definitely swindler. Yeah. And I think he wanted to put the festival on because you're gonna watch it. And there's a part, you're like, okay. He gets the trial. And then something happens. You're like, this is just an idiot. He's definitely. Okay. People were like. Don't do it. And he kept going kept going on. It's a fire festival documentary. NF looks good. Your buddy miss the Bob. Transmitting across America. This is about. That's right. We gave Morgan to the homework of watching dumb and dumber. Because you've never seen it in your twenty five. We were like why you never see dumber. And then I selfishly wondered if it was to hold up because it's so awkward, so funny. So you watch dumb and dumber. Yeah. Did you watch it? I watched it on Sunday. And did you have the perfect byrant though? I did you turn everything off. Oh, yeah. I was just watching it. Hey. When you're the most annoying sound in the world. I guess so you watched it. Did you wanna like it? Would you watch? You download it like what'd you do. What me through it? Iran today on YouTube. That was the only place I could find it you read it on YouTube. Oh, yeah. On you to. Yeah. Okay. It was I really wanted to like come on. Oh, go ahead. It was funny. I laughed. I was just sitting there cringing the whole time. I was like this is so uncomfortably awkward. I'm not a good awkward person's plight, and it like the movie because I was like, ooh. These doing awful, this is terrible. But I did laugh I love Jeff Daniels. So watching him in that role. Jim Carrey was very entertaining. Because normally is really serious. But overall, I'd probably give it like a B. That's pretty good though that long ago for twenty five year old and give it to be. That's pretty good. But you don't like to awkward huff. No. I mean, I was cringing. You know, how like watched scary movie and cover up with jagged kind of what I was doing like. Ooh. About to have an what are they going to do? Don't do that. Yes. What part of it? Did you think was really awkward? I mean, just them on the road trip. And then when they were getting ready for like the ball. I guess you could say the way they were acting, and I was just like they did not do that. When he had to catch up on his neck. I was like why did that does have an where did that come from? You give it to be. I'm okay with that. I would I loved it. I I love awkward though. Do you watch the office? Yeah. I like the office you like Scott's tots episode. Yes. Because that's one most people hate because it's so awkward I do. I don't maybe it's because that's a little bit more modern this. I feel like this was an old movie that part of it too. I was just like this is a little old reference for me. So sometimes I was like, yeah. That's not funny anymore. Do you like the dinner party episode of the office? No. Now. I don't know. Yes. I just don't. I don't do. Good in real life awkward situations. So when it's happening when I feel like I know that people on TV, I'm like at least don't do that. Why did you have to do that? And I just wanna save him. I wanna make them feel better. Do you guys know the dinner party episode refreshing, so many things they have a dinner party? Michael, Scott, Steve krill, Jan place. And the episode you find out that he didn't sleep in the bed. You sleep on the bottom of the foot of the bed that whenever they get there. And she's like, okay. The fish takes three hours, and they have Shimin started the fish yet. The TV Michael TV. And he's like this is it and it's like a tiny tiny tiny any mounted Janelle amount of it's a really good one. And then Dwight shows up, and it's like couples only old lady who was babysit every day. Love awkward all the way through. Okay. Well, thank you more number to review, their Amy's pile ready. Aim. Sammy's pile of stories exercise snacking thing. Have you heard of it heard of it a little bit we've seen? What do you think? It is. If I say excise naked exercise feel better. Now when I read the headline that's kind of what I thought. And I was like amazing. I could eat Napa while I work out or do whatever. But no, you're not eating working out refers to doing several little workouts throughout the day. Just like you would snack. Oh, but doing workouts sweaty. No, they're saying, it's just as effective you just take it and do a quick burst. Like, it's not enough to like make you all sweating gross. But it just saving you from like don't feel like you have to wake up at five AM and go to the gym for like an hour when you could break it up some days and just have little workouts. Knacks, you know, I was doing yoga on maybe Sunday in the class in some far three loud. It was loud enough to people heard it, and I started laughing, and as I start laughing because I laugh people thought it was me. Because it was like this. And I went like that right? Because I heard it was loud, and I'm still juvenile when it comes to that stuff saw start laughing. Then everything's it's me. And instead of going wasn't me guys. I took one because I know that person they didn't want to be looked at as a partner. So I was like at tweeted this mystery fire. I got you. I took it. But after sure heard it, and I laughed out loud. And then every Hogle and there's just like he started. We were nobody wants to talk to me and yoga class anyways. Yeah. He's. Cares. We're doing Half Moon Half Moon is it's where you're you're standing up your arms in the air and you've been to the left or to the right like a moon and we go over to the moon. Right. You know, the person I'm not even sure was I think I know it was but do the sound. I'll do do me. Down low light one. Well. Wouldn't you? I know. I know I know. Okay. What else you got over? There is baby wasn't supposed to be vanilla ISIS. First single only. No more than that. He play that funky music white. Boy, he had ninja Raph from the journal fry. Okay. Well that leads to so ice ice. Baby was on the bee's. I'd of play that funky music. But people that really like that song of deejays, which is flip the tape and an ice ice baby is well played and that ended up becoming a head you ever he had his own play that funky music. This this is over like vanilla play that funky music himself. I remember the. Play fucking music white. Yeah. I wasn't icier. Where're you hammer guy myself? I'll I'll definitely hammer. Because I had to table hammer on one side vanilla ice on the backside. There was a tape. Like what they did. It was like the biggest hits from both. I knew all you get put me on shocker challenge earlier and do all the probably could have done hammer. You can't touch this printed on prey try could NY those hammers. So we'll do that. No, no. Thank you. Mar everyone else. Okay. So there's a new app called decoder like a game app. And apparently, it boosts your concentration so much like is if you're taking Ritalin or something. So if you're someone that has ADD ADHD, and you don't wanna take drugs they say you can download this on your iphone and play the game. Again, it's called decoder. And they did this whole research study that people that did decoder before they had to go in and take a test brave to concentrate and focus on the tests way more so than if they had not played the game study put out the people who made the app. No. Are you? Sure. Researchers at the university of Cambridge in England. I don't think they made the app, but I dunno sounded interesting to me, I think match with a prostitute on what is dating app and online at the prostitute. But I think because it's this app, whatever. And I write we match right? An essay. Hey, what up? That's Hello say something, right? And then just hey, Bobby. Welcome to LA. Let's say that in person they do away behind listen to their if do you think the prostrated go ahead. When will you be in town, and this was in Los Angeles. And I was there. That's it. Hey, I'm here for work. She says, how's LA trading you? I'm good working bit. Now. There's no plans for tonight. Yeah. Take my number. I do not open this app off. Let me know the number down. We feel that was pretty quick sting operation. Does click. No one ever wants to meet me that quick that is really quick LA. They move faster. This started at like noon about two forty five. It was like let's say it in person. Here's my number. Let's get together tonight. Yeah. That's winning them meet up something overseas. It. Okay. From Italy dumping a fake pig. Well, it's it's I don't know what it is. That's a little too professional picture. All the pictures are professional pretty much watch ticks this at what you do. She loaded up. And then it just rolls through them. She is. I mean, I think that you're gonna get taken for a ride. I just think she doesn't know English that will honestly she looks like she's from another country. They say so do the plus just maybe it was a little bit broken English. And that's how they type their quick. Yeah. What they want to meet me that click now, let me know. Wow. Easy. Yours is over there. Speedy Gonzales, what I feel like she was in and out of WI fi. So she's just sending a real quick, boom. Shed to fly. Now, we go. There's your message. Now, she said I'm not on this app that often. Okay. Yeah. You're going to see who can buy to thrown out. And that they're like, let's see who. Replies. New. We can start texting with. And then ask them for ten thousand dollars. I don't think it's a prostitute. I think it's a number scammer. All right there. We have folks gamed again. Amy's pile. Oh, yes. I made me. That's. That was Amy's pile of stores. Bob Dole show. Thanks for hanging out with us. Let me encourage you to go back and listen to the show if you missed any of it, you know, it does start like five hours ago. So if you're at work, just search Bobby bones show on demand wherever you listen, your podcasts, and you can hear it. Amy. What's going on today? Just the usual picking up kids hanging out. No tutoring today, so I gotta find some sort of activity. What would it mean? We'll normally tutoring. Takes another two hours. What I mean is schools only three and a half hours now that they're doing home school? So we have to fill the day with Steph, and I guess because we came off a really exciting weekend. And we were so busy. I haven't really planned ahead of what's going to happen today. Napa. They don't take naps. Daughter who's twelve. And then he's aid. Like, they don't now. Between six and thirty six when you don't need naps. Yeah. Like if I were to tell them that they would probably laugh at me my son's parole in a his scooter. But anyway, I got I don't know. I gotta get these kids enrolled dance. Maybe we'll go do today in dance. Yeah. Daughter went to do ballet son wants to do like hip hop. I know there's dancer derive on my house. I went by the other day, but they were closed. So maybe that's what we'll do today. See if we can get him in lucky for you. You know, a dance champion. I know I can teach them all the different styles. Well, how much did you charge pry too much for you? I'm gonna need you to lease occupied them. I don't know two hours a day. That's a lot. We don't coach. On nap time I got in late last night. So today is going to be good two hour nap. You know, what about you? Let me guess working Vork and more. I have to go to the doctor today. I know my blood work. That that he said everything's fine. Everything that they did was fine. But they still can't fix me. So I gotta go back in for some more tests, generally know, what that means. So and they take so much blood. I'm afraid to work out go to yoga right after wanna pass out. So we'll see how it goes. I need to work out to go to Hawaii for work for a couple of days gonna swin. I don't know. But I feel kind of fat right now, you're not I do my belly like, you're not. So I need to work out. I'm not even gonna do any fun of the why I'm going for American idol and a fly there, and we work for two days in a fly right back. But I don't wanna be Bill. I get there. Yeah. You know? So I don't know. That's what today. Hey, thanks for hanging out. We'll see tomorrow in the you wanna say everybody has a great day. All right. We'll see tomorrow by running. Be bones.

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Cloud brightening for climate fever

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Cloud brightening for climate fever

"Should this exist is produced with generous support from image our network a social change venture working toward more inclusive and equitable societies. Our newsletter is a great way to follow up on all the questions. This show might raise for you each week. We'll send you a bunch of links to our research sources and related news for questions to think about and lots more including your tweets about the show you can subscribe at should exist dot com and you can also see back issues on our website if you wanna check it out. I hi it's katharina. Today's show we begin with a story from the philippines on the island of luzon. Not far from where my family's from and one afternoon. In june of nineteen ninety one when residents say air in the small village of lures started to vibrate a volcano dormant for six hundred years erupted and multiple explosions that sign up huge clouds of ash visible sixty miles away. Minoa mount pinatubo blew her top with ash spewing straight up twenty miles into the atmosphere and then opening like an umbrella into dark cloud that stretched as far as vietnam and cambodia. Within minutes past per day tonight it was the second largest eruption of the twentieth century and it went on for nine hours. People surrounding villages ran for their lives. Eight hundred people died and one hundred thousand were left homeless so nights of all keno continues to spew out tons of raw but the reverberations didn't end for the climate something major shifted in the stratosphere and gas from an ash plume scrambled weather patterns and produced a cooling of the entire planet by almost one degree celsius for almost two years now. Some climate researchers are asking. Can we replicate that. Mount pinatubo's eruption was almost a natural climate experiment in keeping the planet cool. We have a rising fever. That's approaching an emergency level. Where things are to break down kelly. Wasser is an activist focused on climate innovation. She calls these approaches emergency medicine. For earth's climate fever stabilize the patient kind of medicine so you can have the patient in a place where you can treat the underlying condition. It's emergency medicine because it's directly messing with basic ecological systems the clouds the earth's atmosphere planetary scale projects like this are sometimes called geo engineering ages ago. They sounded more like science fiction than science but now carbon emissions are soaring. No one wants to use this technology. It's drastic it's not even a plan. B it's more like a plan d just like with medicine like he wanna do as little as possible for short a time as possible that the more you do the riskier it is. You'll meet kelly one sir and researchers working on an intervention called marine cloud. Brightening how would it work. And how soon how would countries control it. Can we deploy this technology in time to save the planet and if we do what repercussions might have. I'm caterina fake. How is technology impacting our humanity. It's the question of our times discovery that was literally unimagined by any human beings. There's a sort of creepy where somebody is really mistaking the tech for being real soft going on penetrating the conscious this the technology space and this is a show where we take a single technology and ask what's its greatest potential. I mean really exciting. Things disley complex and what could possibly go wrong. We're just looking at each other thinking. Oh my god future is in our democracy sort of on the fence does new technologies can help us flourish as human beings. It's accelerating absolute or destroy the very thing that makes us human. I'll have to become more informed. But i like to say any technology in human histories neutral. It's how we decide to use it. Failure is not an it is not an option. This is should this exist. We'll start the show in a moment after a word from our sponsor capital one business. There astronauts their newscasters their doctors and scientists their little boys and little girls some of whom have light skin or dark skin different texture hair. These really incredibly diverse images of kids in these aspirational views of what they could be when they grow up. That's jenga orbach capital one's head of business brand and marketing and she's talking about the products found at puzzle huddle. The business was founded by matthew. Golan's a father of three. Who discovered a gap in the puzzle and game market. When he went shopping for his own family he had gone through dozens of online stores. Trying to find puzzles for his kids but he couldn't find any that represented what his family like. He thought you know what i'm gonna go out and create those puzzle huddle sales took off when the pandemic forced families indoors the covert also caused supply chain issues the made it tough to keep up with demand then. The black lives matter movement drove new customers to black owned businesses and sales spiked again. Matthew experienced to the uptick in demand from a much broader audience being sold out of your market product means. You're doing something right but it's really scary. How do you get that inventory to keep up with that demand. How did puzzle huddle meet the moment. We'll find out later in the show. It's all part of capital on businesses look at entrepreneurs who are leading through crisis with courage and innovation. Hey it's katharina and today my producer. And i are in palo alto california. We're here to meet. Kelly wants her from silver lining which is an ngo which says geo engineering. Although she prefers not to call that is a good day to talk about clouds it is overcast. And then there's someone anonymous looking building. Where i'm very familiar with park. Park is the palo alto research center around since nineteen seventy and it was originally a subsidiary of xerox with all of groundbreaking innovations developed here. Leaser printing ethernet the modern personal computer airy silicon valley style kind of low to the ground invisible or something or trying to. Yeah if you were trying to be not the ostentatious bond villain which. You're trying to be the subtle. Inconspicuous bond villain. This is how you design your buildings kellyanne side so you just arrived this morning. Kelly windsor is executive director of silver lining and works in partnership with park. She spends a lot of time here when she's not in new york or boston or seattle for washington. Dc so you know working working the process advising and advocating for innovation and research. That would act quickly on the climate system like within a few decades or less fuel so lobby. There's there's like so much lab stuff gear gear rooms with machines buzzing and beeping and flashing diagrams. Kelly's leading us through the labyrinthine halls at park and we pass a small windowless laborem. Where a group of white haired men dubbed. The old salts are conferring a circle. Well we're we're actually just popping our heads and we'll come back later for real kelly's co worker promises will come back here because what might look laker. Grandad's ham radio club is actually on the cutting edge of fast acting. Climate intervention were concerned about rapid climate change near-term climate change and the fact that the portfolio of options that we have today reducing emissions growing trees. Those operate over many decades may not be fast enough. Kelly's not your typical climate activist. She worked as an entrepreneur and technology for twenty years which sets them apart from most. She's much quicker to advance. Radical ideas like geo engineering. But you don't like that term. Well i think the the national academy of sciences calls it. Solar climate intervention into engineering was a term that was coined by a couple of young scientists in the sixties or seventies. This is more like medicine than engineering in a minute. We'll look at how silver lining plans to execute the solar climate intervention but the y. Is pretty clear. Advocating for climate innovation was a passion for kelly for a dozen years as tech entrepreneur but about four years ago wants the urgency became clear. It was hard for her to work on anything else. And i i did a talk. That was called emergency medicine for climate fever. And i do think in terms of how you think about what's happening to the earth system. We have a rising fever. That's approaching an emergency level where things are to break down and our job right now is to understand whether we have emergency medicine and how to think about it. Kelly studied economics and philosophy in college among many influences in her work in climate intervention. She says she was particularly inspired by a french chemist who became a buddhist monk. Matthieu ricard ooh. He has a quote that. I can't remember the exact nature of but it has to do with you. Know the life meaning really is is about reducing suffering and so for for me in the climate situation. That's sort of what we see in tech high order bit. you know. that's the sort of guiding principle which prompted me probe even further about her earliest ambitions. When did you want to be when you grow up. When i was really little. My mom told me. I wanted to be pope. Yeah it apparently. I was pretty upset when she told me. That wasn't an option. I don't know what answer i was expecting. But it certainly wasn't pope and so much of what we're doing and so much of what we're talking about is called playing god by a lot of people some call geo engineering playing god with the planet skeptics. Say we'd have to be truly desperate to even consider this on such a global scale but other experts believe we've reached that point are positioned. Today is that we don't know enough about these options to know whether there's something we really want to take seriously as comment responses were there are something that we need to preclude but we think that our current level of understanding of them is is not sufficient. Exploring the options out there. Kelly refers to a recent report from the national academy of sciences on the most promising areas to reduce arrest warming quickly in the category of fast-acting acting cooling. The fastest way to reduce warming on the planet is to push sunlight away from the planet and they looked at all the possible ways of doing that for mirrors and spaced ping pong balls on the ocean plastic sheets from the arctic painting roofs white. It went by pretty quickly. But you did hear that right back. In the sixties scientists floated the idea of trillions of ping pong balls that could reflect the sun's rays back from the ocean they looked at how invasive they were how risky they were and the recommended as the most promising approaches the ways that are based on one of the ways that nature keeps the planet. Cool which is the reflection of sunlight from particles and clouds in the atmosphere and what the hypothesis was that if you were to slightly increase the reflection of sunlight particles from the atmosphere by one or two percent that you might offset a doubling of co two and that could be three degrees or more of warming and the meth happens naturally in the case of massive fires of which we've seen a lot recently that's volcanoes other natural events that's right volcanoes in wildfires. Do help cool. The planet opposed their own grave threat to human life so here at park in the university of washington and harvard. they've started looking into whether there's a less destructive way to increase the reflective capacity of clouds by making them brighter. Ooh it's a project that could have immediate and wide ranging impact. So perhaps it's not surprising that a team of engineers has come of retirement to work on it. The old salts these retired engineers work on this technology for the sake of their grandchildren. Those guys we saw down the hall honestly. It was like the room of the elders. It really was like you kind of looked in there and i felt very much as if suddenly we had walked into a secret. Cabal of the enlightened that sounds like hyperbole but if anything it's an understatement. Very kuker jack foster said jane. The old salts are half a dozen physicists and engineers and computer scientists who now spent twelve years as volunteers thinking about ways of seeding the clouds with sea salt and other materials doing this increases the clouds reflective properties clouds as you know our little aerosol of tiny water droplets really small water droplets. The smaller they are the white or the cloud is rain. Clouds are dark because the droplets have gotten big. They don't scatter light anymore. See it all makes sense. So let's go over that one. More time clouds made with small water. Droplets are brighter than clouds with big droplets writer. Clouds reflect more sunlight away from the earth which slows global warming so how does sprang salt into the clouds help. So the idea is we did not come up with this idea. They're building off the work done by john. Latham at the national center for atmospheric research and stephen salter at the university of edinburgh. We're just the plumbers. This is a natural wealth. It's a version of a natural process the ocean every time a wave breaks on the ocean. There are bubbles everytime bubble pops a little tiny bit assault. It's put into the air. That tiny salt particle becomes a nucleus around which the condensation forms. That's the natural way of doing it. We're trying to augment that by spraying the clouds with an ultra. Fine salt missed from ships. It would add condensation nuclei to the atmosphere increasing cloud reflectively over the ocean. You can hear the spray coming out of the nozzle. The old salts are testing that in a small-scale system in parks lab and so we have this room of particles that are emitted going to the seashore. It felt spray. They're hoping the near term to take this from a single nozzle to a much larger system outside of this lab to study how those particles get released into the atmosphere. So you would need hundreds of these nozzles that you're just seeing one of and as they work with more and more nozzles they'll need bigger and bigger spaces to work with probably about what two hundred square feet. So you're next face will be having then. How big and then have a. You need to bring it out to the ocean presumably. But it's taken us twelve years to get where we are and we don't have something that we can actually deploy so we need to do the research we need there to be more funding for the research and we just keep working on it because we're trying to save grandkids. We've also contended that when we have patents will make the patents freely available for people. Doing climate mitigation work as passionate as they are about their work. The old salt hope their technology is never used. It's more of an insurance policy. A fallback if things get really bad none of us is in favor of deployment always advocating the net. You can't advocate for is that you do the research on this leaky needed. Lightest if who say oh. We don't need this is fine. There's nothing groping right on. It's rare to hear any group of researchers much less volunteers who've dedicated over a decade of their lives to a project. Say they hope their work isn't needed but they're motivated by something deeper before we left them. One of the old salts wanted to talk about the inspiration for their twelve years of volunteer research. A little on form all you want. Wanna see you back. And i'm telling you having children now this is not on the luga pleasure because you're not an undiluted pleasure for this grandfather for fear of what the future may bring Coming up potential traps and possibilities of seeding the clouds for sunlight reflection on should this exist. We'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsor capital on business. I never mind thought we were only a puzzle company. Even from the initial thinking we were affirmation inspiration company that's matthew golan's founder and ceo of puzzle huddle which makes puzzles depicting children from diverse backgrounds and aspirated careers when covid slowed down his overseas supply chain. Matthew found a pivot. He has puzzle art printed on t shirts and pillows which could be made in the us pillow casa just became very compelling because it's an opportunity to deliver affirmation inspiration in a very intimate setting the space. Where you re with your children. If i can place a product in that environment have a good chance of sending a strong signal to your children in terms of what they can be when they grow up with so many unknowns matthews taking a real risk and stocking up now we're going to absorb more inventory than we're comfortable with that scary because it's tied up real money but if there's supply chain issue you have product on site that you can continue to make available to the marketplace so we're going to continue being aggressive and have more than two months worth of product. One hand going all in gutsy move but captain ones gen gearbox. He's working out for matthew business owners. Don't get to pick their circumstances but they get to pick the way they respond matthews dreaming big. He seizing those opportunities. And he's going to use that for a catalyst for growth for his business. What's the next piece for puzzle huddle. We'll hear about that later. In the show so part of capital one businesses spotlight on entrepreneurs who are rising to the challenge of putting it all together. Hi it's katharina asking. Should the success with kelly wasser of silver lining. We've been learning about silver linings experiments with marine salt spray to increase the reflectiveness of clouds. The hope is that this will slow or even stop the steady march of global warming but humans. Deliberately interfering with the climate isn't an easy sell especially to some veterans of the environmental movement. So my experience in talking with albor about this topic very briefly on two different occasions in a decade apart. I'll tell you the stories as a young activist. She got a big big dose of the negativity she'd be up against from an icon of the battle against climate change. I was at the democratic convention. When obama was nominated and i happen to have a floor house which allowed me access to the elevators up and down the stadium and i got on the wrong elevator and i ended up getting off behind the stage and coming off. The stage was al gore with his Suffer that. I said you know honor to meet you and i was curious what you think about geo engineering which i was calling in at the time and he was really unhappy to be asked about it and had a pretty strong reaction. She said she engineering. It's a terrible idea. it's like methadone. We should never do that and interesting that he compared to methadone. I find it interesting because methadone is kind of a treatment but it was pretty clear that this was a sensitive kind of off limits area. And i saw him a decade later At the ted conference and was reintroduced. I wasn't going to bring it up and this person said you know. This is kelly wasser. She works on geo engineering. What do you think. And he's like well you know i'm opposed to that but he was much more relaxed about it. And so i so. I took that as a sign of progress but this is still something that it's not easy for. I think particularly for people who've been working on climate change for a long time. If we were cloud brightening would that just be a quick fix would it weaken the international resolve to reduce carbon emissions or global reliance on fossil fuels and there may be other pitfalls in the hands of the wrong person is. Is this dangerous. The first thing i'll say is unlike some things. It's not an easy technology for one person to sort of go and do you. Very visible from the calculations we've done in silver lining. It's tens of billions of dollars a year. It's not cheap and easy to do. It's not something you can do in secret. It's something that takes a lot of research a lot of cooperation to find out answers to the questions that you want. Like satellites ariel studies them all kinds of things no rogue actors. It's a lot less likely than you think. I asked the same question of dr steven hamburg. The chief scientist of the environmental defense fund supervillain a bond villain who kinda came and Deployed some radical method of changing the atmosphere for example. There's been some movies along those lines. But i was less worry. I mean i think the really challenge we face so obviously people doing various things is always a concern but like any system. This is the most complex we've got right the biosphere the whole earth when you start tweaking. You have unintended consequences. We have to remember. The queuing. Generic is not solving climate change. It's about masking some of the impacts. This is only at its best and if it works out well and doesn't have a lot of side effects an opportunity in a climate crisis to buy some time relative to the worst possible effects of climate change. Kelly one sir from silver lining. She likens it to a medical intervention. You know this is this is. This would not be maintenance. This would be emergency medicine right though. Metaphors are dangerous things. We're talking about all of humanity being impacted by any such intervention or at least large regions. And so we really have to think about it as how would how do you get a global consensus for doing anything got your hamburg has been working on questions of governance for solar radiation management holding meetings on every continent except in article to find out what people are thinking what are the impacts and potential risks. You know the scale of the decision is just unprecedented and so the challenges that there's such a relatively small group people who even know much about this topic thinking about the implications the moral hazard that potentially comes along with deploying of these kinds of technologies. So we're involved in trying to do the governance of the research. That's the first baby steps. So far. I've heard several warnings of caution but no definitive supervillain scenario for cloud brightening so he went looking for perspective. Rooted as much in history has science. I'm just working on a paper. Where people coaches and and slightly more reasonable approaches and then things that we could really do now to help with our climate pickle. We're in a pickle. Yeah and i list. I love you. I love your turns of phrase or in a pickle. Yes jim fleming. A historian of science at colby college says if we're facing unprecedented challenges it's good to take a look at the precedence. I love this approach of taking history and mythology and fiction Referencing walt disney mark twain. Kurt vonnegut ray. I mean you actually say you say You know in fiction writing. There's a moral core that's missing from the speculations of scientists and engineers in his book fixing the sky. He says this history is quote a tragicomedy of overreaching hubris and self delusion but he says speculating about climate. Engineering has a long history. One of his favorite stories is of the first national meteorologist james. Sp in the eighteen forties. The storm king a storm king espy. Yes and well. He had a very strong reputation. As being the the actual person who identified convection the upward rising currents that cool and precipitate and. He never did this but he proposed that we late giant fires up and down the appalachian mountains to every sunday afternoon. So f- after church would go out and have a gigantic bonfire up and down the appalachians from maine to georgia. And then that would cause it to rain overnight and it would be nice and fresh and And the rivers will be full by monday morning for commerce and I i know there's a. There's a link here between climate engineering and the eruption of mount pinatubo in nineteen ninety-one. I've actually visited the town next to pinatubo is still there or the west amazing about it. Is that the level of the lava and volcanic detritus has basically buried the town. So mostly when you walk down the main street you see the roofs you're at roof level. Oh my goodness the only one that is actually above ground is the cathedral and you can walk right under the roof of the cathedral at should be a record field trip. If you're trying to make and you're not nature or you're not a deity This is what might go wrong too. I mean on the cover of the book i put the technocrat with one giant lever to symbolize that. No one person. One nation when project should have ultimate control or or claim that they have ultimate control but my my version of positive engineering is like cleaner cars and quieter cities and fuel switching and engineering interventions are ideas that make an important differences but not not tipping. The earth with a gigantic lever. Professor fleming isn't a He clearly advocates for small-scale technological innovation but in his opinion geo engineering projects shouldn't leave the lap. Climate engineering research should be done between adults between consenting adults in private. That isn't until on computers. But not in the sky now from a historian to a futurist oliver morton is a longtime editor at the economist and author of planet. Remade how geo engineering can change the world. Would you say regarding geo engineering. Is your greatest worry as it relates to future generations and what they might say about what we've done now in the twenty first century in the early days of the twenty first century but greatest worry is the we talk enough about geo engineering for people to think it's a real possibility and thus that if things get really bad it could be called upon as a form of action and yet. We don't actually do the work that allows people to know how to call upon it as a form of action so effectively. that's to screw the next generation or the generation of that doubly in the we allow the idea of geo engineering to reduce the urgency. We feel about reducing fossil fuel emissions. But we don't do anything to my geo engineering easier for them. I'm so that's why i love. People want to see jail engineering as an absolutely lost golf. You know in case of global emergencies mash loss and believer. Sort of a thing. Until i just think it's remarkably maku pretty bad way to treat the world so preparation and forethought and deliberate action a process. Yes and the moment the fact that we're having this shadow discussion with the idea of engineering out there but february research is being done. There's very little really informed discussion. That just leads to bad ideas about geo engineering. Ill informed ideas about your engineering. There's some good reasons for thinking. Gerrymandering is bad. But i won't that debate the half an in a clearer bash away Something oliver morton said resonated with me as a sort of common theme both among those who believe geo engineering is the future and those who preach extreme caution. The biggest danger may be thinking. We have time coming up on. Should this exist. we're back with. Kelly wants her of silver lining on one of her frequent trips to washington. Dc during the warmest january on record and now a final word from our sponsor capital. One business Once you start looking at diversity you have lots of reasonable. Can you mix kid. My kid has lots. My kid is in a wheelchair just on different things that are represented in the humic experience. Where back with matthew cohen's founder and ceo of puzzle huddle as a small business puzzle huddle as the agility to respond to its customers in a way that wouldn't be possible at a larger company because we're small everything doesn't have to be a million dollar product. 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Then as now it was a complicated time. On the trump administration to be advancing. Any big american initiatives about climate change. Just the same which will hear from kelly is a pretty optimistic view of legislators receptiveness to environmental interventions. it's a byproduct of their witnessing devastating climate events at home a silver lining as it were the conversation about climate. Change has changed radically in the past year. Or so most legislators both democrats and republicans when you talk to them. Now they're staff will start telling me about things that are happening in their district or in their state so the administration is different. Because they've they've taken really a oftentimes taking positions that are counter to what these national international ports are saying or even what some of the us science agencies are saying and even counter to what we're seeing in the natural system and now that we're grappling with global pandemic. There seems to be less interest in environmental oversight than ever but i think there's reason for people to be hopeful because lots of legislators in dc care about climate change across the spectrum. So that's going to be important in the next administration but it is human nature. We run ourselves right up to the edge of the cliff and then sometimes the cliff like we did in the financial crisis and then we have to. We have to figure out what to do. Just that in this case there is a cliff. You go off of that. You can't recover from and now we have to say okay. We're going to need combination of maybe some riskier. Things in new technologies but failure is not option. It is not an option so so we have to figure it out and you have to be quick and systematic empowered. Kelly wants her of silver lining. There may not be much consensus yet around engineering. But there's plenty of consensus that whatever we do to fight climate change. We need to do it together and we need to do it fast. The concern about cloud brightening and other solar climate in vengeance is that it's like playing god but haven't humans been doing that already. We've caused huge shifts in the planet's makeup driven thousands of species to extinction if anything. We're like a god that sits on its hands. While civilizations burn cloud brightening may turn out to be impractical or too expensive it might in fact be like methadone keeping us functioning but not the same as getting clean but methadone is to work. Best with other therapies. Maybe if geo engineering can be developed as part of a comprehensive strategy it can help cure our energy addiction in time. Look i don't get to decide. Should this exist and neither does this show. Our goal is to inspire you to ask that question and the intriguing questions that grow from it. Cloud brightening is good. but it can't just be a license for us to keep doing what we're doing. Something needs to fundamentally change. Nature is wild. Y'all you can't control the atmosphere. And i think two things that you can is maybe misplaced energy. Maybe the earth will spit more volcanoes. And she'll do it ourselves. We don't need to do it. Stop messing with her. We can't agree on anything internationally. How do we come to consensus on. Something is massive assists. Let's scott breaking it then. We won't have to fix it much of the technology that we have with us right now feels like science fiction and in two hundred years time. We may just need this. I think the geo engineering is incredibly dangerous. However we must weigh the danger against doing nothing. Doing nothing is also incredibly dangerous. Agree disagree you might have perspectives. That are completely different from what we shared so far. We want to hear them to tell us the questions you're asking go to should this exist dot com where you can record a message for us and join the should this exists newsletter at should this exist dot com Catering fake should. 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Kelly mount pinatubo fever kelly kelly wasser six hundred years one degree katharina jenga orbach twelve years geo engineering palo alto research center kellyanne Kelly windsor Grandad's ham radio club national academy of sciences Matthieu ricard jack foster matthew stephen salter