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Episode 176: The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

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Episode 176: The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

"A beyond belief is a podcast by for about people who have found a secular path to sobriety and alcoholics anonymous. The strange case of Jekyll Mister Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson was written during Victorian times when it was considered proper to repress runs emotions, Stevens novel considered criticism of that. Tennessee, but more importantly. It appears that Dr Jekyll was clearly addicted to a drug that seemed to change his personality. So this episode. I will explore the strange case with Dr Jekyll Mister Hyde with my friend Sam. And Sam. How are you doing today? I'm great. John I'm wonderful and I. Thank you for suggesting this podcast episode. Because I, I know the story of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and read references to it in the book I understand that the doctor who drinks a potion, and he turns into the evil character, and that's all I knew. I. It was it was really neat to read the book and you know I had to really read it kind of slowly. It was really well written no doubt about it, but I really had to kind of pay attention because it was written so well I guess I'm not used to reading. Language like that, but anyway so I read through it and. I liked what I. It was really interesting, and I could definitely see the parallels of diction with Dr Jekyll and his potion. Yeah for sure, and despite having minored in English in college I had never read it either, and I struggled with it too at first. With Victorian language, but But Yeah I was actually kind of inspired to finally read it. Because I had a friend, go through a relapse recently. and. Just seeing like the change in personality between their sober self and when they were drinking. I thought this is just so staggering, and maybe I should write something about this and I thought I think maybe some things already been written and. So I decided to finally read this and. I think even when new. People come in, and you watch the process of them getting sober and you kind of start to see the personality changes Yeah, there's there's a lot in this that that is relevant. To that. So why don't you help us out? Since you've read this book twice and I think you have a pretty good understanding. Can you kind of put it in context and kind of give us kind of an overview of the book to help us with our conversation? Sure so. As you said the the full title is the strange case, of Dr, Jekyll and Mr Hyde written by Robert Louis Stevenson in eighteen, eighty, five, published nineteen, eighty six. So Stevenson was British and this Nevada is set in London. And it's known as a commentary on the dual nature of people or the bifurcated self, so the good and evil within all of us, and sometimes the difference between our public persona and our private life. So it falls under the category of Gothic Literature, which is. Known to combine fiction and Horror Death Sometimes Romance, although there's no romance in this one And employs darkness drama fear, dread, secrets, supernatural elements and bleak motifs. and. In that vein, most of this novella takes place at night. There's lots of fog involved, and sometimes the physical atmosphere is actually described as being as a nightmare. So just for a little more historical context in eighteen, eighty five. The Berlin conference was concluding where the European countries were. SPLITTING UP AFRICA FOR COLONIZATION The US president was chester a Arthur and he dedicated the Washington Monument. That year. The. Statue of Liberty arrived in New York Child prostitution was outlawed in Britain. First Rabies. Vaccine was tested. Karl Benz Pat to the First Automobile. And this was also the year that Ezra. Pound Alice Paul and George Patton. About just kind of some fun historical tidbits. was born around that time and I actually knew her. Really. Yeah I when she was in her late nineties, I would sit at her feet and she would tell me about what it was like when cars for started driving around on the streets. Aw. Fascinating yeah. So anyway so. How should we approach this? Do you want to just kind of go through the book itself a chapter by Chapter? I'll let you lead the way once you Kinda. Lead US through the book. Okay, that sounds good so. The first chapter is called the story of the door, and we start out with two characters, our sin, and Enfield and their two lawyers, and their friends that like to go on, walks together, and out on a walk, and Enfield points out the door of a building to his friend and tells him a story about. When he he was walking down the street previously late at night, and he witnessed a man. Trample a girl in the street. and. He chases down this man and brings him back to the scene and a crowd of around wanting to see some justice done for this girl. and the man. To this door that Enfield's pointed out. A keyed again and comes back with a check. For the girl's family and the check is signed by Henry. Jekyll who is a friend of these two men were talking. and. And build indicates that this man was Mr Hyde and he Had seen him as recently as last week still using a key to get into this door. So. One thing that I thought was kind of funny. As they described utter sin was that he was inclined to help rather than to reprove, he says I let my brother go to the devil in his own way. And he is frequently the last reputable acquaintance and last good influence in the lives of ongoing men. Do you think he's got sort of an enabler. Is that what you're thinking? Perhaps it, he kind of struck me as A helper with pretty good boundaries, but Interested in in helping people and it also kind of. Drew my mind, the attraction rather than promotion part of the program. And it's like also later about him later in the book he he begins to have some suspicions, but he never really goes to deeply and exploring those always kind of puts it out of his mind, and we'll talk about this later, but he actually has like. Something in his safe that he later you know opens a letter would never never read, but yeah, so he has this friend who's who has some suspicions about, but just kind of let's go. down. So! The next chapter is the search for Mr. Hyde and we learned that other sin. Is Dr Jackals Attorney. So back at his home. He takes out Dr Jekyll will from his safe and notices that this Mr Hyde is his beneficiary. So he goes to visit a mutual friend of his in jackals named Dr Leeann. Who thinks he might be able to explain what's going on? And Land says that jackals one of his oldest friends, but they had recently grown apart because jekyll was taking to some kind of unscientific ideas. And kind of falling away from practicing sound science. But he hadn't heard of hide. So Edison goes home. And he keeps dwelling on this mystery of hide, and this is when utter sin really starts to remind me if like someone in Alanon like Oh! Like a friend or family member of an alcoholic because it says he was laying up at night, puzzling on it, and he says if he could, but one set eyes on him, he thought the mystery would lighten, and perhaps role altogether away, as was the habit of mysterious things when well examined, he might see a reason for his friends, strange preference or bondage call it what you please, and even for the startling clauses of the will. And at least it would be a face worth seeing the face of a man who was was without bowels of mercy. A face which had to show itself to raise up in the mind of the impressionable enfield spirit of enduring hatred. So that just kind of reminded me of the Non Alcoholic. Trying to puzzle out the reasons for their friends alcohol abuse sent to kind of explain why their attitude is the way it is. Yeah, yeah I found it interesting that he. He did I. Don't know if he actually really questioned why. Why is this guy giving this other guy making this other guy, the beneficiary making him such such a close friend who can come and go from his house as he pleases, and so forth like. Edison never really questioned that. It seemed. Yeah I, think at this point in the story. He knows that Hyde is some kind of bad guy and. He knows that. He's the beneficiary to jackals will. He has no idea what their connection is and I don't think they know yet. The door hide entered was a back door to jackals laboratory. Oh okay. Gotcha, okay, so those pieces kind of fall into place as the story goes on K.. So utter sin at this point starts stalking hide. He's he's stocks hides the door that Enfield hit pointed out kind of waiting and wanting to see him in person and get a better idea of who he is. Which again kind of the Alan obsessive thing! Obsessing over this person, so he he eventually does see him coming into the door, so he goes up to him. Really startles introduces themselves and asks to see his face. But hide basically refuses and slips into the House and shuts the door. So then I think this is at the point where he kind of realizes it's the back door to jackals place because he go- he goes around to jackals front door. And asks to see Jekyll, but the certain Jekyll servant. Pool says that Jekyll is not there. So utter sin talks to pool about the fact that Hyde has his own entrance into Jackal's laboratory in the back. And Pool says that all of the servants have been ordered to obey hide. So, this is when Edison starts to believe that jackals definitely being blackmailed or punished in some way or taken advantage of by hide. So? He decides that he really wants to figure out what hides. Weaknesses are to help. Relieve Jackal from whatever bind. He's in with this man. So here again, the friend trying to find a reasonable explanation and figure out a way to release his friend from the grips of his problem. I kinda miss some of that. I probably would have benefited from reading it twice to that. He put together that the door was actually the door to. Doctor jackals. Laboratory Yeah Yeah. Yeah I. Don't think. I definitely got from the second reading. So in the following chapter. JEKYLL hosts a dinner party which utter San Attends and utter sens able to take him aside and bring up the issue of the will and ask who this man is. So jekyll tries to change the subject and Edison presses on it saying he's learned that high. Did this terrible thing to this girl? But Jackal gets really defensive says there's no point in talking about it. Other than saying I'm your friend. I can help you. Just let me know what's happening. And JEKYLL says I can get rid of hide anytime that I want. I have this under control. Let it go right. Very familiar. Yeah. Talk. Talk to me about you know you've got a little problem here. You know you could get in trouble. Your job is on the line here. I've got an intercultural. Don't work, and but I believed it, and maybe Jekyll believed it to. Yeah absolutely Yeah. I think we've. We've all experienced that. In this part really did. Strike me as like the intervention. That was that was refused. So Addison says listen. I'm not gonNA pretend to like this, but I'll do what you say. I'll accept it, you know. Jacko's yeah, you don't have to like it, but basically get off my back like this is my ideal. It's none of Your Business Yeah. So about a year later. There is a gruesome murder of an old man in the street takes place, so there's really the about a year has gone by, and there's no issue with high. so apparently Jekyll has it quote unquote under control for a while? But then this horrible murder happens. There's a witness who identified as the PERP. And so something that's on the victim. I wasn't quite sure some kind of paper. Had to utter San. I think he was like a client of utter, and there was something in his pocket, so Edison's called in to identify the body. And they also find information on hides personal address. So they go to. Utter send in the police goes to hide place. The Servant says he's not there, but they go in and search the place. Find you know, find ransacked papers earned recently in the fireplace, and they also find the murder weapon there. Okay, so this was hides apartment, and so this isn't. Dr Jekyll House. This is actually correct, right? Because, he had said that this whole, he scheme where he was going to, somehow because he loved being Mr Hyde, he got a thrill out so he had this elaborate scheme drawn up where you know, he would have the separate apartment for high. He learned how to write his signature. So you know backwards or whatever so look different from his own signature and he created this whole. You know what? I guess. Story that to somehow keep this going, and so that was his apartment yeah yeah yeah. So exactly later kind of in Jackals Confession, we find out that he has set up this whole system to protect his second life. which also seem very familiar? So, they're restocking their as apartment and says. Don't find him. Yeah, the Kane rape. Or whatever's left of it? So then in chapter incident of the letter, Edison goes back to jackals place. He's leading by the servant. JEKYLL looks super sick. Edison asks Timothy's hiding hide. He insists he's totally done with high never again. Never. Again right? That was the last time period. Right so I noted that I'm reminded at this point now call ism when really bad things start to happen to us and the Alcoholic Says I. Swear I'm really done this time. Right, it's. So as he was hide, he was committed murder and I'm kind of jumping ahead, but he. He's like when he's committing the murder. He's really getting a high from it. He's not feeling. As high, he's not feeling any shame remorse. He's actually thrilled at the murder, but then later as Jekyll. He's feeling the remorse, and that's what he tells. That's when he tells her I'm not I'm not gonNA mess with this. Hide I mean he's done. Yeah. Right, So, so jekyll says he's got this letter from Hyde and he shows it to utter said. And the letter says basically thanks for everything, but I'm out of here. You'll never see me again or whatever. And Jackal claims that he. He burned the envelope, but that it was hand delivered to the house anyway. So. Utter said is leaving, and he asks pool. Who delivered hides letter to try to get you know? Get a trail on where he might be, but pool says no one's delivered anything to the House that day. There was no envelope. He said envelope, no postmark or anything like that. So, sin takes a letter. To a friend of his to compare Jacqueline hats handwriting, and that's when we find out that it's the same except the slope is different. so, but utter still thinks that Jekyll is forged a letter to protect hide. And so here's the illusion to like the alcoholic lying and covering things up right, right? So he yeah, he's really trying to protect his friend I guess, or he just doesn't want to believe the worst about his friend. Right I mean I think at this point. The idea that they're the same person is to. It's soup. It's the supernatural element thing, so it's kind of unfathomable true. Sure. So, then we have the remarkable incident of Dr Lanyon So. Hide obviously nowhere to be found. Addressing goes back to visit Lanyon. Who looks like total shit is what I wrote. That's right. This is amazing. Yeah, yeah, so he says he's had a shock that he probably won't recover from Yeah and utter. Some tells lanyon that Jekyll is really sick, too, but he says I don't WanNa hear it I. Don't want to have anything to do with that guy anymore like I'm done. He's given up on chuckle. So Edison goes home and he writes to Jekyll asking about wife. have fallen out what happened to their friendship? And jekyll just writes back like. I'm in deep seclusion I. Don't WanNa see any of my friends anymore. So this is what I'm reminded of the alcoholics to isolate drink alone. Cutting themselves off from the world and I can't remember Sam because lanyard actually saw Hyde. And kind of understand now. Is that the deal? So, later inland letter. That's the letter that Edison doesn't open for a while. He explains. Seeing the transformation. Okay, okay, Gotcha, okay. Let's run killed land. Yeah, it was just yes, yes, exactly. So, So jekyll writes back to utter send. You must suffer me to go on my own dark way I have. I have brought on myself a punishment and danger that I cannot name. If. I am the chief of centers I am the chief of sufferers also I could not think that this earth contained a place for sufferings and terrors so unmanning, and you can do one thing to lighten his destiny, and that is to respect my silence. This beautiful writing, isn't it? It is I love it. I love it. And it goes on to say. Edison was amazed that the doctor had a ago smile with every promise of a cheerful and honored age, and now in a moment friendship and peace of mind, and the whole tenor of his life were wrecked. So great an unprepared a change pointed to madness, but in view of lands manner and words there must lie for is some deeper ground. So here, utter send the friend shocked by the speed of this. Change that they've witnessed and. So then land does die about a week later. Others and receives this letter from John. Which says do not open until the death or disappearance of Jekyll. So he respects this, he doesn't open the letter. But, he does go back over to jackals. Place Pool says he's more confined than ever to this area over his laboratory where he's been silent and brooding. and. Yeah, so he's. He's unable to see JEKYLL. More. Fine from everybody. Yep So following that the chapter incident at the window. Edison and Enfield. They're back on another walk. They pass this back door to the laboratory. They see Jekyll through a third story window, and jackals talking to them out of it. He says he is very low and he thinks he's GonNa die soon. They tell him he just needs to get out siding. Why are you in their? Loan but he says no, and then all of a sudden. His face goes crazy. Expressed as an expression of abject terror and despair as froze the very blood of the two gentlemen below. And so utter. SA- Anfield, just book. It may get scared and run away. All right so. Next chapter, the last night pool comes to visit. Utter Sohn to say. Something horribly wrong. This has gotten completely out of hand with Jekyll. All the servants are terrified. We can't take it anymore. They even think. Maybe somebody broke in and murder Jekyll and Mayor Yeah Yeah. Yeah! They're totally freaked. Out Aren't they. Know now. It's. It's become unmanageable. So? Utter goes over the House to investigate. Pool says whoever is living in. There has been crying night and day. Soul. And for some kind of medication. But. The servants can't find this medication from the local chemists. Utter calls into Jekyll, but a here's hides voice. COME BACK! So he thinks hides in there. He's killed Jekyll. So they break down the door to go into Jackal's. Little hidey-hole. They go in, they find hide. His clothes are way too big for him. He's dead. He still twitching. He's got an empty vial in his hand, clearly having just committed suicide. And it says Utter Sohn new. He was looking on the body of a self destroyer. which really kind of hit me? I feel like I could say in a meeting. Hi, my name's Sam I'm a self destroyer. So they search around thinking, they're gonNA. Find jackals body. They don't find him. They do find some papers. Which is jackals will with utter S- unlisted as the beneficiary now instead of hide. There's a note written in Jekyll hand dated for that day. and. Another sealed packet which is what I believe ends up being jackals poll confession that we read later. So, at our son then takes all of these documents back to his office to read them. Doing really good job going through this book. Thank you thank you. Probably the best summary of the book I think I've ever heard of before in my life is really really well done. Thanks. Okay so then now we finally get to read Dr. lands letter now that we know that Jekyll has disappeared. So. Lanyon said he had received a letter from Jekyll, asking him to drop whatever he's doing. Come straight over to his house. Go into a specific cabinet. Take its. Over to Cavendish Square. And at midnight, which I'm not exactly sure where that is, but. Somewhere off site. And at midnight he's supposed to admit some guy to his house and give him all that stuff from the cabinet. So. lanyon follows his instructions. He gets to the cabinet. He finds some vials of substances. He takes them. He meets this dude. The man he meets is enclosed way too big for him. And and he described as something abnormal, seizing surprising revolting. The man is really eager to get his hands on the substances that he has. He mixes him up. And he kind of asks lanny and like. Are you gonNA stay for this? And so he decides to stay. He says, sir. You. Speak in a `Nigma, And, so the guy drinks the mixture, he starts to convulse in swell up, and his teachers in his face seemed to melt change and. Tada his truck now. So that's when we. Learn what the shock was! Right. And so yeah, then finally we come to this last chapter the longest chapter of the book and if anybody. Listening you know hasn't read this and maybe doesn't want to read the whole thing. Yeah definitely just read this last chapter because this is where all the gold is as far as the album. Surprisingly short I mean it's less than one hundred pages. Yeah, John, and it's really a pleasure to read. I really enjoyed it, and it's kind of a relaxing experience. Because you do have to kind of read it slowly, you can't. It's not a rush through at all you know, and it's just. It's really beautifully written. It was. It reminds me when I first got sober. I had I had all these problems and everything and I just couldn't focus I couldn't concentrate I couldn't read anything in comprehend it so after a certain period of sobriety I think it was maybe sixty days or whatever. I got Charles Dickens. Our mutual friend and I was reading that, and it reminded me of this reminded me of that a lot. This the style of the writing and it was really helpful for me at the time to read because it forced me to read slowly and pay attention and comprehend, and that was the first book I read in Sobriety and it was just. It was kind of like a test. I was giving myself. Do I 'cause I guess I was questioning my mental capacity to eat ever again. be able to read something and comprehend what I. Read I guess I don't know. So. That's what I did I. Read that book, and this reminded me of that almost instantly as I started reading it. It took me back to that Charles Dickens novel. That's really interesting. I had the same problem when I was drinking. And I considered myself like a big literature person, but I really wasn't reading a whole lot at that time and. I think that's it's been a real pleasure in sobriety is to read more and remember more of what I read. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And still I kind of US reading as one of those gauges of my serenity or my sobriety. Like. Am I able to sit down and get through more than a couple of pages before by mind is all over the place exactly exactly, and it's really nice to because it forces. You like at this time that we're living in right now to get away from all the craziness of what's going on and to just kind of kind of put yourself back in that time so anyway, so this last chapter. This is really cool, because he really in this chapter. Steve did this purpose. I don't know what his life story has, but he really in this chapter outlines the process of addiction. I mean the whole thing about how you know he When, he first when I drank the potion. His first reaction to it, it made him kind of sick. You know he didn't like it, but the transformation when he became high, he loved that feeling because he felt younger had more energy he you know he didn't have his inhibitions I. Guess you know just like you know a lot of us. Express our. I drink I didn't really care for the taste when I had a boy I really liked what it did for me Yep. Exactly. So, He starts out explaining that he was born into a pretty wealthy respectable family. He had a very happy childhood, but that as he started to mature, he stood already committed to a profound duplicity of life. Many a man would've even blazoned such irregularities as I was guilty of, but from the high views that I had set before me, I regarded and hid them with an almost morbid sense of shame. It was thus rather the exacting nature of my aspirations than any particular degradation in my faults that made me what I was, and with even deeper trench than in the majority of men severed in those provinces of good and ill, which divide and compound man's dual nature. So apparently, his family has really high expectations for him, and he supposed to be a respectable member of society, and he kind of blames that for. The extra sense of shame he has his. Special, good you know. And he had to regress these bad thoughts he would have, and so he would put on this public display of he. He was just you know. I think he's just said he would just have a serious kind of face all the time. He didn't show a lot of emotion. Right, So he pursues scientific study. He continues to grow and realize that there are these two sides of him. And he says certain agents have found to have the power to shake, and to pluck back that flesh leave vestment, as a wind might toss the curtains of a pavilion, and I have been made to learn that the doom and burden of our life is bound forever on man's shoulders, and when that attempt is made to cast it off, but returns upon us with more unfamiliar and more awful pressure, so he's really feeling feeling the pressure. He says I knew well that I risked death for any drug that so potentally controlled and shook the very fortress of identity, might by the lease scruple of an overdose, or at the least in opportunity in the moment of the exhibition, utterly blot out that immaterial Tabernacle which I looked to it to change, but the temptation of a discovery, so singular and profound at last overcame the suggestions of alarm. So he knows from the beginning. How dangerous! That is that this is? But it's just too good. Yeah, it's too so he's really describing addiction here at least. The obsession, the want the not being able to. Say, you can't just say united. To. This is too good. Yeah, I could relate with that for sure. That he talks about when he took the potion for the first time which you kind of described. He, said the most racking pangs succeeded grinding in the bones, deadly nausea and a horror of the spirit that cannot be exceeded at the hour of birth or death. Then these agonies began to swiftly subside, and I came to myself as if out of a great sickness there was something strange in my sensations, something indescribably new, and from its very novelty, incredibly sweet I felt younger, lighter, happier and body, within I was conscious of the hetty recklessness, a current disordered sensual images, running like a mill in my fancy and solution of the bonds of obligation. Obligation and I see that as just drinking the potion or drink having a having a beer having a whiskey, whatever and just kind of reducing those natural inhibitions that we have, and it's like you know I. Remember just as a teenager when I started drinking and you know I would go to a party and you drink could be funny or you think you're funny and you're partying. But then after a while, it's like it doesn't work. You kind of find yourself away from everybody in the party. They're doing whatever they do and you're. In the bathroom, getting sick or something. So then he kind of he talks about. How because of this experience? That, he finds. The rest of life a little bit too boring. Like he's, this is like the only way he knows how to have fun. And trying to then go about his dry life of study and think about aging just general everyday life stuff is. Is just too much, so he decides to keep drinking. Yep Exactly. And he describes. How He? kind of sets up this. System that we talked about earlier to protect his his other life. He also kind of described it, but that he was kind of losing control of like sometimes he would have to take more than just one. Does he take a double dose and sometimes he'd take three at the risk of his own death, knowing that he could die maybe from that. and. He does seem to be conscious of. Some of the the negative. In his personality that it brings you know he is having. He's enjoying himself, but he also says. I was I was plunged into a kind of wonder at my own depravity. That my every act and thought was centered on self. So, it's like. So when he was high, he would, he'd had this depravity, and he was just like totally into it but let him when he came out as Jack Cole. He remembered everything he did as. And so. Blackout drunk right so you're. You're saying that. He was kind of intrigued by it at first. Yes he he understands that it releases from his own conscience, and that strikes me as the kind of the cunning baffling and powerful aspect, right. He was drinking for the effect Yeah, and then he describes he does remember trampling the child, and then he remembers murdering the guy. But then he would always tried to make up for it. Always tried to make it right. Yeah kind of I mean as far as saying like. This is never going to happen again. But then at that point he. He starts transforming into Hyde without taking the potion. That gets that really was interesting to me. Like every time he would fall asleep that he would be any up as hide it. NAP or something, and he'd just wake up and be hide Yep and he does not understand how it's happening. So, he says I was slowly losing hold of my original and better self, and slowly becoming incorporated with my second and worse up just like an addict as as you, you know your addiction kind of transforms your personality, and that becomes kind of the normal life, you know my life is now this you know having these problems and having to lie and connive my way through life. That's the way I am now. I'm no longer Dr. Jekyll who was prim and proper and doing everything right? Yeah and even when he he decides like I've okay, this is this. Is it I've got to make a choice who I'm going to be I'm going to go with Jackal but he makes a conscious choice. Will it says? That! He had because he didn't give up the house in Soho. Didn't destroy hide. That's right. The always kept it there as an option. Didn't he out yet, so he didn't. Surrender completely. This. Ain't going to do this this. Hide anymore, but at the same time he kept the flat in Soho. He kept all the clothes, so he always had that out. Yep Yep. Exactly so! Let's see so? Hide starts coming back more and more frequently as we said, he says I became a creature, eaten up, and emptied by Lang by fear languidly week, both in body and mind, and solely occupied by one thought the horror of my other self. I am a soul, a soul boiling with less hatreds, a body that seemed not strong enough to contain the raging energies of life. And, then so both sides of himself start to really hate the other side to. Hide totally has jekyll and Jekyll is sick of hide and wishes he could get rid of him. And finally, he says. that. He's been overcome by a certain callousness of the soul assertain, acquiescence of despair finally severed me from my own space and nature, and this is when he realizes that. The medicine has ceased work very well and he. He's GonNa get more anyway, and he decides that he has to commit to sat. It wouldn't work anymore found that kind of interesting he. Didn't he's. He's sent out. For a servant to bring more of the stuff, so he can make it, and it wouldn't work, and he thought that he thought the stuff that they brought him wasn't pure enough. There's something wrong, but it's just. It's just kind of a metaphor. How you know you're drinking. Your drug use just doesn't work anymore. You're no longer getting the the effect that you were in. The beginning is just really just killing you at this point is taking you away is taking out of life is taking your away and he found his only. His only option was suicide. It's too bad. He didn't have A. that's right. So. What I did not know about this that I learned in researching it is that. It's widely considered by experts to be a sexuality morality. Tale. A Gay allegory. All right. How was how is that? I I. Don't know I think. I think it can apply to. Obviously it's pretty much own story. It's all men lives, and like yeah like I. Think just at that time. Hopefully. Homosexuality was the most shameful thing. Could be hiding. Yeah! Okay. That's interesting, so it wasn't deliberately written to be. The story of an addict. It's not you don't think counting sell I think it was supposed to be written about about like a secret gay life, but like to me and to my reading, it just screams, addiction does is. From the from your first experience with the Latian that gives you your dependence upon it how you need more and more of it how it stops working, your life is all messed up and you're drinking, and your life is still messed up and you can't get your life straight. You can't get back Dr Jekyll, you know. HOW INTERESTING! I remember reading the book and it talks about that Dr Jekyll and Hyde thing you know about how your personality kind of changes when you drink and of course i. read that Book and I understood. I understood that what what it was saying, but it's. It's really nice to actually read the story to get a more fuller explanation of of that you know. I I read a bit of really interesting analysis of of the story. By this Guy Stephen Paddick. Who? points out because. I guess when I when I first read it and I was thinking about. How alcohol changes are personality. I guess I. Think of it in terms of like. There's two people you know like there's are sober self and are alcoholic, and it's almost like they're completely different people know. But what panic pointed out. He says the most fundamental mistake that people make is not understanding that jekyll wants to do all the things he does hide. He loves being hide as you pointed out. He revels in that freedom, and it's only when the consequences catch up with him that it becomes a problem for him. You know he's not to different. People like people think that Jekyll and Hyde is. Are Distinct people, but they're one person and. Aware of each other the. Jekyll knows what he does high. Well and hide never speaks. Really we don't have we have this explanation from JEKYLL. We don't get that from high. That's right. So so you know, he says that this mistake lead. To other misunderstandings. First Jekyll is not good. He's not bad either. He is. Deeply repressed. Yes, that's the thing that's the thing, the repression and his biggest sin as that he wants to face no consequences for what he does. Right. Second Hides not an accident. It, he was totally intended. And third that as you mentioned jackals not unaware or out of control when he's hide. He remembers everything, and he knows exactly what he's doing, and lastly hide is not a monster. He's described in a very non human terms as like apelike or brutish. But. He's actually still still a person. Yes, yeah, so it's. To most people, this is a story of two completely different people in personalities, one good one evil. They're at war with each other, but. Panic says that it's much more like a complicated take on the nature of Evil Society. Shame repression, and it's important that we remember that. This is one person and that is within all of us like the potential is within every one of us. That's hard sometimes for us as human beings to comprehend that with any person can. Any human being has the capability of good in horrible evils. At the same time at the same time, the same person can have those two different. Absolutely it's hard to understand because we like to think of things as black and white, you're either good or bad right, but we're just complicated people and no matter how long we been sober to It's it's in there. There's always that potential so. I I wanted to make sure to mention that even though I was inspired to read this by someone else. Who Relapse you know like I see that in myself to. Everybody you know where how interest could happen. From your friends relapse that gives you noticed a change in your friend and you thought I need to read that book. Oh yeah, and it's not the first first time I've witnessed that with a relapse and. I relapsed myself and I think. Like looking back, I can see the change in myself, but at the time. Not, really you know when you're inside of it. That's why it's so cutting baffling and powerful and insidious like you really can't perceive it as strongly. When you're under under the spell. I remember. Early Sobriety early sobriety when I'm facing the consequences of my actions from my drinking. And, I am now aware that I remembered comparing myself to what I was. Then to what I was in high school when I was first starting out in high school, and all the dreams I had of a great life, when I was in high school, all the wonderful things I wanted to achieve, but the reality of what I was sitting in a jail cell. Because of all my drinking and it was just I. Don't know that I could see that that I had veered off. It's almost like I. was looking back at a different person in a way, but I knew I was all the one person but I definitely could tell that time I remember I just remember having this what I was doing. I turned myself into the bail bondsman because they were. Paranoid because after, but I wasn't really paranoid, because they really after me, but anyway. In and then they put me in jail where I have to wait to see the judge right, and so as I'm in jail there for quite a long time and I have time to think, and that's what I'm thinking back to. When before my drinking got really bad and I, was this person with dreams ambition and I was kind of a good kid. I was a kid, but all of a sudden I became this lawbreaker that you had the lock up. A. Absolutely I can. I can certainly relate that I'm sure most of us can. You really did a good job with the Sam I. Really appreciate all the effort that you put into the analysis of it. I mean I. Read The book. I enjoyed it. I will I, think I might want to go back and read it another time, because I said it's a very short book very well written. It's really poetic the way that he writes. I also thought that you know. The I like the way that the book is set up because it's almost like it's almost like a movie in a way where you start off with you, start off with like. You know the the hurting the kid. Then you find out later on what was really going on. Yeah well and I guess I had never read it because. At this point like everybody knows the ending, so it's like what the fun of like reading a mystery if you already know the ending, but. I would say it's still really worth reading. It surprised me how great it was And, it does put context so that when you read the book and you read that little part about the. If you read the big book, we actually don't read it anymore. Why would you want? I didn't even know that there's. Until you. Yeah. There's that reference Jekyll and Hyde of course but. Well. Well. Thank you. Sam I think you did a fantastic job. It was a great book. It definitely is a an interesting study and whatever that. Repression or addiction or whatever, but as as the person in recovery, I can certainly appreciate the parallels there. So what a lot of fun! Thank you so much for the suggestion. It was a great idea. We'll have to read another classic sometime. We can make this the thing. Let's get some comments from listeners on suggestions or something kind of highbrow. Let's take this podcast. Intellectually well. Thank you so much I think. It was a lot fun. So that's it, that's another episode of Aa beyond belief the podcast. Thank you everybody for listening and thank you, Sam. This is so much fun great way to spend a Sunday morning. And so anyway if you want to help out the podcast, you can do so by visiting our patriots site Patriot Dot. com slash am. 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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

"This is a head gum podcast hello and welcome to the we got everything podcast about everything I am one of your host Tom and I'm tim how're you doing this week wanted domain over the fire I was happy to let other people go get would nobody nobody was itching to go carry firewood I mean it wasn't that fly by night but it's been a long one how are you doing this we good we were on vacation together not vacation I guess vacation away up like as much wood as I could to make fewer trips back and forth and I would heart of tasks no but even still nobody was willing to do it nobody was out there doing it people people offered and I said Sham Yeah we're for Hud slide by night yeah jus- along night a long night yeah it's been a long night yeah because we weren't allowed to sleep at all right well it was more of a like breaking people down mentally so we can build them back up yeah but it was just breath is this the thing that grownups do everywhere I don't know a bunch of people how many adults were sixteen sixteen adults and then there were a bunch of and they would all fall to the ground I would dump them on the ground there's a reason why stumping on the ground and that was because I was I'm lazy and I was looting snow in Pennsylvania of all places you built a fire two nights in a row you were a little bit of a yeah like a hero complex about it we mean every time you dump it because usually I like so much that there wasn't a way for me to get it off without just dropping it I was very afraid of I know what you're act like I want splinters I feel you so is cowardice yeah I guess not wanting to get splinters being a coward no I mean the the speen reasonable you never are impressed like look tough that guys he's got so many hey ladies check out my arms they're full little kids or children yeah some of these adults one child per four people yeah and we all rented a house in the woods yeah it was nice carry the would you'd make a big show of how you are carrying the worst in make a big show well how would I how did I make a big show of carrying the woods easy for me to carry because I'm very strong so you can get some firewood you're just like I'm trying to impress the everybody here I'm trying to impress these four children than those kids were so you were taught about fireplaces growing up these kids have never been outside of New York City they haven't been taught about fireplaces there pretty impressed those kids weren't even awake when that fire bed so dang or how they came at one point because their parents were very nervous talking about because I would do with a flourish but that was because I was afraid of splinters okay so it kind of just trying to move my arms like drop it in baton step back be like okay now let's see yeah but I can see like you had a fireplace in your house growing up I shouldn't be so cavalier with I hate splinter so I appreciate that you carry the with you also wouldn't let anybody else go and get any would you really want taping around the fire and I was like let's take a closer look that's no big deal arguing that about the the fireplace inside the house enters all the time too high you know it's the little ones that hurt the big ones you'll get one fiber glass splinters I get so many splinters wrong no it it seemed quite the opposite when you would you'd you'd walk ah to the place where the wood was stored it wasn't like you're cutting the wood guess what like there were like oh we can't start a fire in the fireplace still all the kids go to bed around like I was in a house that had a fire in the fireplace when I was tell unprepared to deal with fire these kids were I think I think it doesn't take much to teach kids hey fires hot 'cause if they don't take your bonfire fire coward you are always one that when there's a fire going outside you're like the city slickers yeah it's fine their Li- how what's learn wire in there when there's fire in their stay away from it when we were making dinner the one night one of the Indianapolis yeah a three year old three year old yeah that's bonkers things have really progressive I was a kid yeah and then he said you doing that to me right well wait what you expected I right in my face now we weren't unaccompanied retreat Tom we don't even have a company this is all out because you stacked up forty five logs what my my thinking of don't make the fire that much bigger is I'm going inside Lord of it is a I do agree with you like we could we would have all been around the fire so we would have been like naked I hear kid too late a fire and then bullcrap it is kind of a kid thing it's like we made it so simple and we show you colorful graphs yeah that's how when you're not the biggest fire coward there were bigger fire cowards and they were making me visibly angry I'm not when it comes to a you've shards of wood splinters it splinters they suck but everybody's GonNa come down all all winter last time you've had a good splinter this is bonkers he knows too and they said now I'm putting on my apple cart it doesn't matter what he's an apple an apple I don't even know any adult with an in fifteen minutes if this thing if you put four more logs on it right now it's going to be another hour and a half before everybody can come in three-year-old said while we disorder on seamless really. Yeah that's how the city slicker these kids are really did a kid say that kid it's fine you go near the fire and it feels hot and you're like oh I'm going to stay there yeah it's built into fire I think that but I had a big huge like at five gallon pot that using to put out Davidge looking out for you as you don't want to sit out here with this fires it goes out all night wait till the the logs and called the Fire Department to put it out well they've got all the water now I was Oh God he was so disgusting this not what I did river it they'll go near it and be like oh it's not like throw themselves into the fire it'd be like Oh fires not hot let me prove it to you I was a little mad at You know what else do you pick up. I'll take an uber to get their three-year-old data call he was like Oh what's better uber or lift which one's cheaper go and here's the thing I didn't want old man Reynolds over here to be a martyr at the end of the night when when you're like we have to wait for this fired you with the with the Fire Nice you're always you're such a like a like a look you're not hires big enough to make it bigger why not just make it as big as possible what I was saying look you're doing the right thing you're saving me from myself cutted blasted relaxed before load up with a few logs than you'd walk back and then you dump on the ground at Ers Out All the way here that everybody safeties number Wilma thank God damn bear but so my thing was like Tom Inside Yeah and you were talking about how like I said at one point and leave the fire it'll go out what's going to happen and you know somebody has to be there do you for four hours I mean it was I was also I was putting the fire with water fire's biggest enemy yeah that's true all of them Oh man and he took out hit a brand new phone brand new soda brand new phone and he said all sorts of through my apple who will remain nameless named Paul Mckenna was Oh no now three people listen nobody English there were eighteen adults sixteen adult sixteen adult sixteen adults at one point there were three of you out there nobody else was no for a while it was just me hypnotise which I've told you I think English hypnotists hypnotize media think his name is the name of a friend of mine the hypnotist died years you put on burn off before you add more log yeah but don't you wanna see how big you can get the fire you know what for a minute yeah and then at some point there was so like the first night I think like three five gallon pot why that happened well that's what I'm saying Ganges talking about five gallons of God's man days the sticky stuff tom you go the drugs but then the The second night when I went to put the water out he again wanted to do at people were like Paul don't do that and I was like a little less I was like the the pig fire was fun but you gotTa let it go it just doesn't need to be the biggest fire you can do for four hour wouldn't it be cool if it was the biggest fire appear to put the fire out and I was like please don't do that like especially the first night I was like I'm GonNa make a fire tomorrow night I don't want to have to do that in your urine splashing on me even before pouring water on the firing water on the fire you can't hey you idiot you can't poor I'm not making a fire tomorrow I don't care as much but also that just stupid don't do that right and like I'm going to be pouring fire on this water I don't want and when I was four I didn't know see thought like your parents had like a little flame thrower in the house yeah for what purpose our fire you could if it was like a sulfur something when you were a kid did you think eh fire extinguisher shoutout fire extinguishers liters but the big pot at a big pot in the second night a friend of ours each shootout fire no maybe I thought he'd be like a ghostbusters gun yeah I mean I guess that's kind of what I was thinking yeah I don't know why you urine so please don't do that also Paul that's not gonNa work this is a pretty big fire you're not going to be able to put it out probably would have burned himself out of it thinking it was a ghost busting devices any less ridiculous than me thinking something with fire in the title and then a word I didn't understand shot fire Oh and then just what you're describing sounds dangerous what I'm describing is a means to catch goes who's the fire coward now tom it's true gene good a drug dealer and say hey man hege five gallon pot the year the sticky what are you talking through Google trends no he's bigger than ever yeah he's around he's doing stuff patriotism people don't think most people ties you think he's dead nine just haven't heard I recently ida fire extinguisher that was recalled uh-huh and so it's like they gave me a new one it's like swatting defense there is no point in your life that you thought when they when you'd hold that we'll certainly one man's urine wasn't gonNA put out wasn't going to do the job that a water line of beer that's true maybe underestimate him I mean everybody else doesn't abide by that yeah that's that's also frustrating that I see people doing consumed your life I'm not up on who the hypnotists or at any given moment yeah give it the program Yeah but anyway Paul was insistent that he wanted do things nobody severs any consequences I don't WanNa be on instagram or something as like Oh look the the fire extinguishing moron the the union the Police Union would protect me protect me so the the second night I brought out I can't say that by far the worst thing about living in New York City is that there's not a place for me to go outside and try stupid things yeah liar then why make the fire spread if you farted out there okay so the second night the pot was just used to make soup and then they were full of soapy water but I'm like Oh that's fine for fire come you'd be like smoking Ganges illegal and then spray him with the fire extinguisher that's assault I WANNA salt a mind at this old wont let me shoot it in the in the bathroom because I've never shot a fire extinguisher boy that make a mess you when was this is they'll the big old pot of water and so the the water was being pot was used to cook like a big thing a soup troubles in it but you're drinking the soapy water out of the drink fitting it onto the fire I will admit that the time I was out inside Paul was drinking water add the pot to to spit on the fire to put the fire out months ago wow yeah should've brought it outside I don't want to be like the guy outside to get you should've started a fire anybody wears a fire that's what they'll put in the meam know anybody deputy the coolest me it was a dead aim fire out and that was Kinda the the name of the game after that first bucket it's all about finding the loule cinders watching the fire the martyr you shouldn't have made it so big you could come in Chile yeah I wasn't that Hungary but anyway so many beans in that Chile town when he was doing it it worked a lot better than I thought it really does he could target it he was like pretty good at targeting seems shooting lane afire car on fire and then put it out with a fire extinguisher war go up to one of those teens smoking Gonda the anyways just like frigging Tom brought out a soapy water for me to spit the fire out with and I was like I cut some vegetables that soup a lot he the day before I made the Chilean that pot I didn't have any of that she wasn't around and Paul don't drink the soapy water yeah because everybody Dan Schreiber James Harkin Anna Pazenski in Andrew Hunter Murray Tom We know this show we've seen the show live we love it we go way back look amount and he could really target them yeah effectively but then at one point he had to stop because he was getting sick from the soap yeah I I am big I don't care I'm not GonNa wash this pot before and so I brought that pot out now went back inside to get something else Tom let me tell you about a podcast it's called no such thing is a fish it's one of Britain's biggest podcasts it's hosted by self-proclaimed nerds cool Paul duties waters all soapy Mike Yes dishwater like it's soapy Paul you wouldn't eat the soup because it had fetched not assault it's it's it's a citizens arrest it's like a citizens police brutality mu yeah well it makes sense you're full being so you'd put a lot of beans and you're fighting the well that the ball could I o needy around the guy that has some spitoon expire yeah like a guy that's practice spitting yes like boy he was a hotshot lunchtime Chili now is the nighttime outside making the fire no there's a good chili yeah I know everybody was inside eating dinner while I was there for an hour by myself you too erotic exactly so 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have classes anywhere from ten to sixty minutes long so you can fit in a sweat on your watch discover the immersive and challenging this week Halloween month ramps up this week yeah because guess what another tale of horror another tale of misery another tale to yeah until these people the first trampolines were made of Walrus skin that's unrelated to the right they couldn't be sold because yes because he got mad at me too and I was like Paul what are you doing don't drink added I didn't bring this free drink out of Jesus Connect Bluetooth headphone sued if you want and they got all these like nice knobs to make faster slower do the incline wanting yeah I was surprised and I was intimidated by people even if they're on the screen exactly if they're looking at the camera it's the same thing you can work up a sweat with world dairyman irregular man in a man that only one that has a bloodlust we'll get into it she just kind of like it's huge it's got like a big so it's a treadmill but then it's got a big thirty two inch HD touchscreen with a built in sound bar but then elite no no this isn't that titillating the curious case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde a man and Avella let me ask you this by the end of this book rethinking its books canceled Oh for like the person on the screen the trainer they're walking through everything they're motivating you I didn't think it would actually be that motivating because unlike there on a screen they're not here is very I'm doing wonderfully we just got back from a complete guide everything company retreat corporate retreat and I'm exhausted be a proponent of rewriting books why not because I think it's important to keep the original context I think when you do an adaptation not be horrible stereotypes and then maybe on cancel it I mean I would not Allo last week but Bam that that's canceled this will or you just cut out a few paragraphs rephrase something's changed some characters things that have an age well every old book is racist I did I didn't expect to have so much racism in the legend of sleepy one is just the common man yeah that's what makes them so scary before you read this book by Robert Louis Stevenson yes I I don't know I'm not gonNA none of this makes the best tom did intentionally I don't know I did I would or something like that when you make a new version yet you don't need to keep in language that is no longer appropriate I think we should just burn all the books well that sure yeah burn bucks just the ones that are unpalatable to me personally right really anything there was one slur that caught my eye but it was not used writing books aren't just plot yeah but this like I guess that's a writing the smart I get I think it would have been as beloved as a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and the legend of sleepy hollow and Meyrick election one female character in her role in the story is too faint that's what happened in eighteen hundred yes as a slur that's interesting yes so I was like Oh yeah that's like the original meaning of that word wow dude yeah and all unmarried dude's not even dating dating lives are like now we spent a lot of time with them we something but how many people are in it now five or six main characters somewhere in that ballpark and they're all red sox would would What comes out of his mouth on twitter these days it's quite a shilling shocker so what were they called Penny Shilling shockers schilling shocker? Yeah the Pitcher for the I guess that's just books born sometimes books GonNa be about would yeah and it's real boring the wild or read it you know what the Tim Ed Shades of what you're complaining about in Legend Sleepy Holler come up how many pages was this this it said so I read the e book and it said he was fifty four pages but it seemed like it was more than that so yeah it's a very like a Mike Adam reading I'm like everybody in the stories of bachelor like am I missing some subtext here's dollar. US and like the late eighteen hundred eighteen eighty six this was the strange case no he wasn't murderous was he now they should have made if if they made Benjamin Button murderous in the original story that would have been too much going on deed range case of case sorry Mr. Hey this isn't a Benjamin Button scituate yeah you know it's Benjamin Button and that's why I don't read them yeah it just it it seemed as though so this was a what was one of the The Island of Dr Moreau was just like a boring book Scott it's got a horror element to it yeah maybe be more tiddly Oh it's like get the goddamn point I enough at describing the wood used to make this table that sitting at I mean I guess that's man was it was a one shilling horror story essentially schilling is what a thousand dollars now is like a dollar us this novella was sold for any better than pride and prejudice. Yeah so I was reading about this book I'll get into what the what happens in the book but Like I was reading this quote from Wikipedia Lloyd Osbourne Stevenson Robert Louis Stevenson Stepson wrote I don't believe that there was ever such literary feet before as the writing of Dr is a way again and busy writing I doubt if the first draft took us so long as three days the first half of the book nothing happens I about this that there were like oh he was like doing massive amounts of cocaine yeah and then that makes more sense they will now you've piqued my interest and it's the one thing that we won't say on Mike Yeah other than that no no they're really there's only from imagine tell us more about the Wood Green yes somebody coming down step Papa woman are also is reading you know like speculation all tracks so this book it starts out with this Guy Mr Ottesen and the whole time as Riem I who the hell is your sky he's not eating is all these old horror books just boring books they're just the same as other old books yeah yeah they're no more exciting it's not like this is oh this is supposed to give you an idea of what kind of guy peppermint sticks he likes pine trees he doesn't like he just sounded like he jekyll I remember the first reading so Riester's Louis came downstairs in a fever read nearly half the book allowed and then while we were still gasping he field you're the man about town the well-known man about town would how would you say a man about town it's too that's like yeah he wrote half the book came downstairs read it all without taking a break and then ran back upstairs to finish it Yeah that through Jekyll or Mr Hyde why do I care about this guy did you check the cover the book we yeah I was like what is this I get a bomb copy or something to electrons I thought I oh yeah utter goes to bed so he has dinner without relish sits by the fall well if I go to bed earlier I'll just wake up earlier and they're still being nothing to do where did he live this all takes place in I think it's in Edinburgh Nice Yeah WanNa work for myself you know I'd be like today's Jab leedle played them Mozzarella's salts I mean that's not very look of a virus on it yeah and then you know it's just explaining how he likes some things and he doesn't like other things relevant to the story but sounded like like his life sucked her 'cause they all suck old times and said he was a bachelor and Thurston was just like a miserable guy and then Mr Enfield was a well-known man about town so that's like me and you you're under sin like the so one thing that he liked he liked coquettish glance from a member hey podcasters yeah because Mr Iran to talk into a microphone for an hour a week well Mr seawater onto fire with our friends fire enraged dry divinity and then when the clocks rights strikes midnight he can go to bed and he's very happy that he can finally go to does he I'm not sure I meant to actually double check that I know Robert Louis Stevenson lived in Edinburgh and there's a couple of people with Enron accents but I'm not sure this book today no I read it at work some job well I work for myself I I I go hey today's job is reading this book for like I said the book was very boring and Mr Ottesen's got this friend Mr Enfield in these guys kind of sounded like you and me act how often do you think he leaves his apartment he he leaves his house at least once a day. Then that disqualifies you tonight one of them who is it I think he's Enfield is like Oh yeah I saw this guy going that read eighty says the street was small in what is called quiet let's say what is called quiet a small and quiet street they see a crappy old subway yeah well they don't give one very convenient others you said you'd you'd stay home and judicious use of your time Tim reading some old book is off you're telling me so they walk around and they talk even though he seemed miserable and they seem like apologize to this little girl yeah and a doctor came do that nowadays you can't drag another man your and one of them's like hey ever remark that door ever market yeah it's like you ever notice it la he looked around now it's a shout you give when a Fox breaks cover fucks breaks when you're like hunting foxes stay up till midnight what he does he I think he just had to like choose to do things is going to be my thing why I think for him is probably like the fair sex or something like that yeah I think I'm tired remember if he was this guy or the other the other guy I'm about to talk about of Your House today did you hear my house every day Tim did you today though Yeah where'd you go I went to work you did I did Tim you WanNa see my unwanted to beat them up harpies yeah that that's one of the two mentions of women in the book okay aching to his heels mean he he he ran after the day and what is giving a view hollow I I don't know what you're saying and they says and all the time as we were pitching it in red hot we were keeping the women off as best we could for they were wildest harpies so the you've walked into a Chavalit you're in a rush children shouldn't he just left her screaming on the ground but then this guy you know what he did let me let me see if you can door wants or come out of that door he is like any I was walking around at three a M Eh decipher this tim I gave you hello took to my heels colored my gentleman and brought he back wait so he saw the guy run into the little girl and he went and grabbed him and he gave a view view Halo of you Helen but this just reeks of like like you're being like you pretend like you're tougher guy than you were like you should beat the hell add it sounds like a Tom Reynolds story oh hello spell Loa H. A. L. L. O. A. and it's hyphenated view Holler king but I can't explain why give us a description man I like it I don't like when things are described books if books could just be all dialogue it'd be like now you apologize to the strange little girl we both don't know you could have used that man trample or what does he mean by trampled trampled her uh-huh I told that guy so he's like you gotta you gotta pay this girl and then he brings the guy his house and gets them a check and he but luckily there was a doctor nearby like a whole crowd came oh wow you know what they called the guy go back to this you know what he casually refers to the doctor as and I saw this oath walking around and then I saw this he said the game described him as kind of like an okay as a little girl eight or ten years old lawyer and he has jackals will and he's like oh I should look into this and it looks into his will in the will says like hey if I die Zoa turns out that the check is signed by Jekyll but this guy is hide in here's another it's like he's like he goes and gets a check with a name I can't mention because you'll ruin the story and it's like well I bet one of the names as Jekyll are high doc he's like luckily there was a saw bones there and the Saban checked her out and she was all right and then uh-huh there's the Fox presumably yelled bears the Fox and then grabbed a man it was like old but not nine and they collided with each other and this dope just like trained boulder and I feel like that's something you've done the heavy so great you ever read a book and it's a long book and then you skip ahead and you see like Oh this next chapters mostly dialogue I'm going to read the hell out of this chapter she's all right but this guy still mad as to ease like cursing look we're GonNa make you lose all your friends we're GonNa make your name stank all around town we've all my possessions to hide to Mister High want the heck that doesn't track but why not well because think from these old books that this happened in book supply gas when we were reading island of Dr Moreau he says basically like hides weird why at life nobody meddling into my affairs so then he he realized what if I was the executor of Jeffrey Epstein's will that's talking about that society is all messed up now and all these old books everybody was just frigging in each other's business enough like the live hate this fucking book all right is the search for Mr Hyde now we're back to like present day and others and goes to bed at midnight has a sad life he he does have they don't like each other and he's talking about that they walked out why afloat different characters there's different characters now you can fish in the game and you can swim I can gnashing okay when when I was a kid I got a dogfish while that's sick I know it was to throw a back mm-hmm we pick up a fortnight later this is before the game got so what happened with the game he went off line it went off line but now it's back online he says no he doesn't say that labbe thinks to himself if he'd be Mr Hyde I shelby Mr seek wasted for this one you want it to be dialogue yeah wanted to be only dialogue sounds like he's one read movie scripts I think so the next see the cliff the clip of The first time all the adult saw snuffle yeah kid I didn't even understand that other people can see George Stephanopoulos George George Stephanopoulos jury to what is his name then the bathroom Oh yeah I mean that's what I call my bathroom now the business room it's where I get on my business done hold all my calls so utter there's been a sign on the door that has gone fishing in out there in my fishing hat and my vest with all the lors on it yeah I've been All different doctors and lawyers ill gates mad greening Barbara Walters Yeah who else we me and him yeah cities like I should ask Dr Lanyon he he might know what's going on what the deal with all this is and then he woah took to my heels collared my gentlemen and brought him back hey gravity like when a when a copy dollars a convict and what isn't that was to bottom feeder gross yeah anyway I don't need a video game to go fishing I go fishing all the time so they go to in this guy and he's like I'm going to take care of Pied again this guy should his mind his own business year later year goes past bothered she sees Hyde outside there's who does attracted to the Moon Yeah Oh we should go back to this to instead of having like a Home Office is referred to as a business room business room yeah I went into my business room. AM or maybe it was after that happened yeah probably it was like four nine chapter two sesame street chapter two fishing a lot percent yeah where wolves yeah for a start yeah yeah and just goes all frisky yeah it's like who the hell's this guy what is it his business look alive this book everybody should mind their own business yeah a lot of these old books yeah you know what we and anyone does space again started falling in love to the distant worlds they're being sent to Annapolis what am I saying Stephanopoulos with an F. It's with a pay I'm confused snuff everybody always does yeah did you a guy in a lady up there and find out that the moon swings always yeah and she's also like I was mood thank you want to have sex with the Moon Tom no you didn't let me finish then she's thinking herself man if we wish to have moon off time jump any thank God for these time gems yeah there's a maid servant She's watching out a window and it's turned out to be fine yeah and then beat the hell out of a mastermind kill them kill them made feints and we find out it was it's a lady yeah it put a lady in the book yeah but so she's like feeling romantic so she's just staring at the moon out the window it's nice that she doesn't mean by the moon yeah so this this maid servants she looks at side She sees a guy and Mr Hyde talking to each other and she's like that guys Sir is no like a minister minister proper minister person you were like he's an MP three Asian swimming real life what are you talking about the last time you got fishing Lindsey last I've gone fishing yeah the last time I've gotten to your house to pick you up his old they change it did they yes now fortnight chapter two they made like a bunch of big changes getting Neil Armstrong it's like I'm GonNa go there and kiss that thing I'm GonNa make that moon by girl so pissed but he not that's fine but would would a would a normal blue collar working class joe like me If if Mr Hyde beat me have sex with me wrong about that I was wrong yeah but in the middle of her thinking about this getting all hotter this guy he's yet to do a lot of googling and then this guy he's he's talking he's like you know so mad at the saw bones is like Loyd moon they came back and they're the press like like they're announce the moon's my girlfriend you never gave down he felt he was he had been rejected the what if he can the moon nearly to talk about it what if he came back what if like the First People Doc John in your opinion at what point is somebody's life actually worth something okay so if you're in met it so they got this big house and others utter sens thinking hides blackmail stabs that bitch he's at the press conference and then they would definitely back all right let's try different place let's try jekyll tells other sin like Oh don't worry hide 'cause now like everybody's looking for hide his murderer yeah and Jackie ed gets a letter from Jekyll and he's like don't worry about hide hide safe safe can be they'll never find him but why would why would utter in any like he shows them a letter jekyll shows him a letter from mister high that's basically like well by I've gone away give him directions or something and then she's like Oh God and high just beats the hell out of this guy smashes them so so far hide has trampled a little girl yeah I'm offering cancer I really am I think we should cancel so many things this no there wasn't utter Sohn be like okay cool so you're hiding the murderer on your side yeah I believe in writing that letter I don't know and then on his way out utter simples a Colombo and he talks to the Butler this guy pool and he's like and his ear it for my good looks for my hirsute nature you like this guy's got a hell of a beard yeah Oh people love maybe brew me into the Gutter They'd love me for my wit for my it just because I haven't read this book stops now he's an important man is the point so this isn't just get swept under the rug there's lots of manners of talk are Dan Verse Karoo say this is so he's like a sir he's like an so I mean military police that's what already at jackals houses I get chip steam type board the jackals Nice he's got all the greatest minds around Tim if he was the late eighteen hundreds in the United Kingdom and a deformed man beat you to death no nobody would even blink an eye me I apologize for doing that you won't be here in a more for me was that acceptable back like bad you won't see me again yeah pretty much then the second time came back and they were like Regret to inform you have fallen in love with the Moon Neil Armstrong As if as if I everybody knows I pulled the threat a little bit or something trying to make me feel stupid buddy been in here lately and he's like now nobody's been here he's so he's looking at the letter needs like where's the envelope he's like Oh I burn the envelope he's like well why don't you burn the envelope 'cause you WanNa see if there was a postmark on and he's like Oh there wasn't a post market just got like hand delivered by somebody and and wasn't by some racial slur right that's what happens in all your books is like it was delivered bio in two the sealed letter in his will and he's like read this letter after I die in after like jackals died I think well the rest of the book I'm GonNa get through pretty quick you'll see why a little bit layer next chapter what if you're too sick like how about we just hang out here from the window and he's like yeah that seems good and then all of a sudden he goes like and then just slams the window shut and runs any and he also has his will and he's like look man I'm I'm done with Jackal I look like Shit and then Jackal rights I mean he's like there's a door all right grover yeah you learned about doors let's go let's go see if a blue door wife and idiot stepson we're like this is the greatest thing I've ever heard I need around this time halfway through the book Gombe GonNa Shut and you won't be seeing old jekyll anymore and then it happened late and dies yeah pretty much enfield's always just look out for doors yeah this Enfield's like a real Eddie haskell lease like games like grover to me like there's a door her enfield remember Anfield is the man about town he's like hey you know there's a back way into Jackal's house what is Enfield's like a ever see this door silence like that was weird and don't say anything to each other do you think they went check please that was weird are after high disappears and this knucklehead arsons like well I have to stay true to my word okay he just died I mean people died all the time but he dies from look at this area we find out later died from shock late and won't read this letter until high disappears easily as to what is the point where Robert Louis Stevenson stopped reading and his it's like let's go ooh doctor jackals door let's go to the back door let's have jekyll wants to hang out and they can see them in the window and they're the jackal coming is like Nah I can't man I feel like shit ignored come for a walk he'll you know reinvigorate the circulatory system that's the way they said it and he's like Nah I can't do that and they're like all right well if you can't hang you have to know that was not normal later on pool comes he tells us in that there's been foul play it goes back he's back in the swing of things he's hanging out but then he leaves are they friends utters an jekyll or like acquaintances. Okay I mean they understand it learned the butlers like nat nobody's been here and he's like hey letters come today and he's like not hilarious of big come at all so now a little time passes then jackals not back for a while and then a visit Layton Lane looks like shit and he's like late and again lanes Dr Pool comes that's the Butler okay jackals Butler so they all go to house all the servants are hiding pool brings him to the door it's his will or is it just as lois lawyer but they have like they're in like a the same friends group of like Lonely Bachelors get it How long back then they it like going for a Walk Pretty Salad and it does reinvigorate the circulatory system circulatory and he's like hey what's going on in there and presumably jackals like nothing's going on everything's fine except he hasn't sound like Jekyll it sounds like day Mr Orifices self destroyer destroyer just sounds like powerful right destroyer me medicine from the store and then I would bring him stuff from the store and he'd be like this is impure take it back our sins like yeah we Hyde and he tells them like no I'm just sick and this is actually my favorite line from the book he says these are rather wild tale my man adore of is described as a cabinet but I think it's like a shed out back is that what they mean when they say a cabinet of Curiosities Yeah okay the fourth wall like deadpool yeah this is a rather while tale my man and you go and how Andersen yeah and so he knew that Oh and there's a new will that gives everything to utter send that high didn't destroy often they're like oh come on what we were we were having a classic window hang with a no actually they don't even say like what they dislike walkaway like what the Hell is all this about so then he he opens up the will and there's two letters or no he has to Dan who says that Ottesen but that sounds like a seat talking to you the reader breaks okay so I guess was the term for suicide by then that's the I'm glad they changed it because I really so utter since like pool what the Hell's going on he's like he's in there crying about medicine telling him telling me like bring barely knew this guy and then when you read jackals letter jackals letter too late his like I would gladly cut my hand off for you about like like alcoholism that like he drinks this potion at turns him into a monster but that's not at least in the interpretations. IRA woods viewer my truest friend we find out that the latent died because fucking jekyll turned into hide in front of line ninety percent of the time so reason why hide with smaller was because like he hadn't developed as much he hasn't been let out but he's like uh-huh so when he's wearing jackals closed they're all like hanging off right Tom Hanks or the kid in Tom Hanks yes exactly out and hide was physically smaller because jackal was like both these personalities live within him but Jackie was like pretty much good dude what was going on the whole time yeah two different ways and it's like yeah figured it out because it's fucking jekyll and Hyde we all know jekyll and Hyde you and we find out what happened and so long and boring and it's like Jackal came up with this potion that he risky opens up late teens letter any opens up jackals letter and pull these letters just kinda in the second half of the book we're basically telling you like doesn't know smaller yeah and then at at a certain point he started turning into Mr Hyde without taking the potion and that's when a break the damn door down we see what's going on it takes them a while to break the door down they do hide inside he's dead they calls him a self destroyer up like I get to be Mr Hyde and and let go of all may in additions but it seems like that meant just like skulking around town at night impurity in it that he didn't know about that then he was like shit it had some purity in it that was actually the key becoming hide he's getting into becoming hide because he can like let loose yeah but we don't really get a midlife crisis yeah but we don't really get a earl yeah so I always thought based on like bugs bunny cartoons that when he became Mr Hyde Mr Hyde was like physically bigger but he destroyed sounds pretty boring not as fun as going to the Jekyll and Hyde Club in a beautiful New York City have you ever been there yeah I've never been there why trade this dumb book that we already know I mean I do think it's like watching the six cents and just being like this yeah of course I know why really yeah Tom the JEKYLL and Hyde Club is a theme restaurant owned by Eerie World Entertainment. It's like one of the few I an idea of what that means trampling a little girl yeah it's like travel girl and bludgeoning a guy to death one time just trying to have some fun out there but take and I would turn them into Mr Hyde and mister high like I guess ally this book is about duality like for a minute I thought I was like Oh this you independent theme restaurants left in New York City I feel like yeah I went as a kid there was one in Times Square actually was the slaughtered Yeah he could have done that as Dr Chettle finding just bludgeon anybody right people probably would have looked the other way about the little was I don't know what like hide was out there doing like carousing Tom I mean that kind of implied that like Oh he's out like doc and then finally in the end yeah he was just like running out of like hide was getting bigger because he was around more on he said route slaughtered lamb that was one of them too. Yeah that's the thing so you go in and there's like there's actors yeah Jekyll Hyde is like physically smaller than Jack your nightmares it was sent through two hours of this yeah I guess and Laden in his letters like I don't know why he sent me this letter it has like set pieces and at some point animatronic yes right yeah it's it's it's it's a fun place to go I don't know if it's he was like Oh damn can't control this thing yeah and maybe I'm too good at controlling it or well so then he started becoming Mr Hyde all these these spooky restaurant with objectively bad like tourists cruise ship food yeah and we're just like hey let's do an immersive spooky ocean will he found out this I liked that it wasn't that the ingredients were impure it was like the first dose of ingredients had still there there was one

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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Rejecting a Duel Identity

Developer Tea

06:09 min | 11 months ago

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Rejecting a Duel Identity

"It's easy to imagine. A dual system. A Dewalt sense of identity, the good side, bad side. The impulsive side of us and the more thoughtful side. This dual sense of identity is not real. It's only on our perception, and it can change the way we think about how we work as engineers. My name is Jonathan Cottrell you're listening to developer. My go on. The show is driven developers like you find clarity, perspective and purpose in their careers. Just like many of the other distortions that our brains can of trick us into believing the idea that we have to cells that we have the good side, the bad side that Dr Jekyll and Dr Hide. Is exactly that it's a trick, a distortion, a simple way of thinking that hides away the complex realities of our ego. So. Why are we talking about ego? Are we talking about dual since of identity on a podcast for engineers will? The truth is when we look at our code. Or? When we look at our previous code, we often tend to blame one or the other. We take credit. When. We believe that we've done something good and we assign that credit to the good ego. We assign it to. Who we intend to be. But then when something goes wrong, we don't take the same level of responsibility now. We may not blame our bad selves, but. We insulate our good selves from stakes. We imagine that the mistake is the fault of the circumstance when it's ourselves, but then when we're looking at other people, we imagine that the mistake is the fault of that person. Taking a wider view, we imagine that we. Can Transcend our own ego. In other words, we can get outside of our own sense of identity. Our own sense of purpose or worth. Our Self. Perception, This is that ego that we're talking about. And when we insulate our own egos from mistakes when we don't blame ourselves. For the bad that we do, but then we turn around, and we don't apply the same rules. The same luxuries to our co workers. We're doing this because we cannot imagine that are co workers have transcended their own egos. This is once again a distortion. This is called the fundamental attribution error. The idea is that we are assigning blame to a person based on who they are. They're fundamental attributes. Rather than doing what we do for ourselves, considering all of the other reasons, all of the other influences that may have caused an error. Going back to this idea that we have a dual, I'd identity. One of those identities is one that we reject. We don't integrate into our thinking. We? Don't believe that we're going to be late. We don't believe. That, we will be lazy. We don't believe that those are a part of who we are. And so we assign them we assign those negative attributes away from ourselves as far away as we can put them. Here's the takeaway for today's episode. Those sites are just as much a part of you. As the good ones. And there's no reason to push away from this. There's no reason to imagine that you can sequester all of your negative attributes. More negative behaviors or bad habits when we assign those to that second identity that second sense of self. that. We kind of naturally create that black, hole. That is not what we intend to be when we do that. We're not taking responsibility for the totality. Of our own actions. And when you do take responsibility for totality of your own actions, you can actually inspect them. Not. All the things that we think are bad. Behaviors are fundamentally bad behaviors, some of them responses to your environment and others. Are Good in the right light. I want to be very clear that there are certainly behaviors that we shouldn't try to portray in a positive light, but. The flip side of that of not being positive about them is not to reject them or act as if they don't exist. Instead we can learn from ourselves if we imagined that our identity is one and the same, no matter if it is positive or negative. Thanks so much for listening to today's episode of developer Thi. This was a short episode just looking at this idea of dual identity, and how we might reject that to be a little bit healthier versions of ourselves. I'd love to encourage you if you have not yet subscribed to go ahead and subscribe in whatever pie APP you're using, but even better than that. If you think someone else in your life could benefit from this episode or another episode of developed t, take a moment and send it to them. This is the best way to help. Other developers find and subscribed to this show as well. Thanks so much listening. This episode was produced by Sarah Jackson you can find this episode and every other episode of the show on SPEC DOT, FM. My name is Jonathan Cottrell until next time. Enjoy your team.

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A Little Extra Squee: Cast and Crew of Jekyll and Hyde

Five(ish) Fangirls Podcast

1:00:27 hr | 2 years ago

A Little Extra Squee: Cast and Crew of Jekyll and Hyde

"Junaid? Everyone Rachel here on the five ish fangled podcast. And once again, we have for you a little bit of extra sweet. This particular piece, we have some interviews. I did recently with the cast and some of the cast and crew for a production of Jekyll and Hyde. It is going to be taking place in Bloomington. Indiana can be put on as being put on by. I've e- tech community college in Bloomington. And we'll put all the information on where you can buy tickets and find the showtimes, everything in the show notes for this particular episode. So go to our website the five assuring dot com for that information. But what's interesting about this particular production is that? This adaptation because there's a lot of adaptations. Of the Jekyll and Hyde story out there when we Kapiti a- the other day, and I think we compete here. So there's like a hundred. Twenty seven or seventy to a large number of just film adaptations, and that doesn't even things like radio and books and things like that. So it's kind of it's a it's a story. That's been told a lot and is known at least generally to a good number of people. But this particular adaptation is was. Written and. Originally written by nNcholas Briggs who if you're Juve, and you know, as the voice of the dollar and the cyberman and a lot of work with big finish. So that's kind of cool that it's got a doctor who esque a tie in to it. So nNcholas Briggs wrote this and as you'll find out in the interviews that he actually also did the music for the productions when this originally premiered in toward the United Kingdom. And so they are not only using his script here, but his music as well for their productions. So that's very cool. So in joy, these interviews. And if you happen to be in the area wall this production is going on it runs from April twelfth to April twentieth. So if you're able to make it definitely go and try and check this out was able to get a nice look and preview of the stage. And check out some of the costumes and props and I caught some of one of their dress rehearsals? So I have not seen the entire thing. Not completely polished. But what I did see maybe very excited to go and see this in an actual production, full stop. So like I said you can find information on how to get tickets and showtimes in the show notes on our website, which is the. Vish fan girls dot com and enjoy first up. We have my discussion with director of this production of Jekyll and Hyde with friend of the show. Russell mckee. All right. Well, I'm in the basement. Of the building gold ivytech drawn Waldron arts center. Good for him, whoever that is. I don't know who John Waldron is. But good for him even having. Years here. His name after somebody who gave ivytech a lot of money. Well, it was actually this before I bought it from a used to be all like firehouse and everything that's all. I like those big doors over there. Someone did something you're had enough money to get their name on a building. Yep. I don't know anything about Bloomington. Up in up. It's all Eskenazi. Lily? Everything's Nause lily in Indianapolis, so any who's Owl's. So I'm in this kind of creepy basement than Bloomington with. A friend of the show. Russell. Yeah. Tearing you away from your director Lee duties of production. That's always opening this week as a recording. No pressure. No fresh. All no pressure. How so. So where do you want to start? Why would this this particular production? So I mean, there's so many different versions of the jecklin. Hide story out there. Obviously, this one's got a name connected to it that a lot of us are familiar with. Hickory never. Drought. Actually, it all came about in two thousand fifteen the first production. I was working on for big finish. Was Tom designing mic was directing. He was telling me that it was working on at Jacqueline tied. And then we just got to talking and told them that it's actually something a story that I've always had a fascination with. And so it's just been something. That's stuck in the back of my mind since then I've actually I originally tried to get the Phoenix to do it up in India believe it or not. Yeah. So, you know, been kicking around for a couple of years now where I wanted to be able to direct this. I actually have directed a version of Jekyll and Hyde before but again, Nick Briggs and getting to work on this. And the other really cool thing is his adaptations a lot closer to the novella. Also, there's no love story tacked on there's it's more about like the mystery as far as what's going on with Jekyll and. Finding out why he has taken Edward tied into his confidence. And so the audience, obviously is going to know the whole thing there. But then it's it's the fun of seeing how mystery unravels through the course of the play in how they finally figure out what happened, right? It's a psychological part of it is. The fun part of it like. Yeah. And I you you met one of the heights, and that was something else that actually came out of just messing around in the callback score and actor chemo actress to go ahead and reach hide. And then one of my friends who has worked with me in the past. He's like Russell has no problem gender bending rolls. And so then we we're just messing around. Like. What if we double up the voices and see how that like? Plays out. And so then a grouped a couple of different actors together and paired them off and had them go out and read it and the producer came in heard what we're doing his. I think exact quote was one that it was disturbing. And to that it was very difficult to watch. So I was like okay now, we've got something I will say this particular story, those are compliments. Yeah. This is a production of like cats or something that probably would be. I've seen cat some of it is a little disturbing. This. But I like the music to cat, so. Don't ask me to say. Don't ask me to sing. Either. So this is the read the press release that you said. Said the press release said that this is technically the US debut for this particular adaptation, some hoping some movie ins might be interesting. 'cause yeah, it's not been outside of the U K yet. It premiered in the Royal theatre in Nottingham, and then went on national tour of the UK and did really low there. But like a walked and his far as I know no one else has done it here before. So yes, this is the first time it's being performed stateside. And Nick give him a plug just from the standpoint that he has been really gracious. And like, I already told you earlier he is allowing us to use his original music that he composed for that initial production plus on top of that he helped out since it is a student production, and like gave them a really reduced rate as far as the rights and everything so he's been super super cool in really worked with with Paul as far as being able to produce it here. Helps to know people. Friend. No people. So very cool. So you're doing what like dress rehearsals or? We well we had Q on Saturday. And then yesterday was the first like full tech with costumes props on yards and still working out kinks. Of course. But we have tonight and tomorrow to work things out. And then we open on Friday and it runs till the twentieth, right? If it does. Well, there's a chance we may add on like a matinee type of thing. But that's like the only thing we've talked about so far, so yeah, still. That's that's a good run. I guess people plenty of time to. Tom down and see it come up depending on coming for me. It's downstream. Can become an east west. Yes. Come over. Blooming kid don't mind, the construction on thirty seven and really cool places to. Yes. Panetta plug. Your mother bears pizza. Not a sponsor. Sponsor show. All. Yes. Mother bears pizza. We will take your money. I'm saying. Or nNcholas break. We'll take your money too. Dear big finished up. Just kidding. All right, cool. So I'll let you get back to doing paperwork. It sounds like. Among other. Chat with some of the rest of the cast of the crew. Some people your way. Thank you. Next up is my discussion with Emily who plays Dr hasty Lanyon. And Josh who plays. Mr. Gabriel utter Sohn. Let's start with. Is this your first production here? This is student production. Yeah. With V tech. This is my first production. But I am also an online adjunct for tech four theater regime, and he's a depreciation. But yes, as an actor in one of the productions, this is my first cope for me some first time near the rose fire, but I actually graduated here at high youth for theater, and I think it might be my I q. But I no stranger to this to this theater space because it's one of my favorite spaces that I've actually worked in a lot of performs. I've done a couple of things here too. And I'll be doing 'nother thing coming up in August. Yeah. I like the space. It's very cozy. Cozy really good word cramped is all get out back. Go backstage doing a quick change. Bending over torsion is like. When you're when you get to a point where he like, you don't care no care if you had the change in front somewhat. It's no big deal after a member. Like when I'm around my friends who are theater like getting ready for something. Sure. I'm not changing in front of those. Oh, yeah. You're not. You're not used to seeing partially nude people. Yeah. It's like I I did theater in junior high high school color guard as well. You get used to just like chain really a deputy changing bus. Putting change very quickly. My friends will go you do change. While the bus is going down states. Michael. I lied heard spandex. Four. So much fun. So I feel you're paying that. In New York. I understand. Never did. I tried to the rifle once and it went bad. No, we're. Wasn't allowed to being guard guy. Even though I showed up quite a few quite a few girls. Good atmosphere change, like my senior year started started what guys into the the guard line? And now it's like nobody bats an IDC dec- didn't spandex Schubert twirling the flag. Booker. But anyway back to this production. All small stories. We're straight place ever change your pants. But so as Russell, and I were talking about obviously, there's the story of Dr Jekyll mister high is well known to everybody mostly I think very common common economy common idea. You know, that you know, there's a duality to someone's personality in this case and not just another personality. It's technically all the person. Yeah. So, but this particular production this particular version dump by nNcholas Briggs is as far as we know this is the first US production of it. So when you found out about it and became part of the production. You know, how familiar were you with just kind of the story in general? And how does this version compared to what? You've had in your head. As far as other iterative of this particular story. So am I experience of the film adaptations pieces. I've seen jecklin hib-. It's usually from the perspective of Dr Jekyll usually from what I've seen, and so it's really interesting to be on the outside and only seeing hints of like the madness increase the craze like transformation while everyone knows who Jekyll is the heightened reckless same pricing and having to like suspend disbelief of the character. It's really interesting to see the characters the other people in the play kind of interact with all these lake hidden clues and this intrigue of leg. Something's not quite right. But it can't be what we think it is. Because that's not possible. It's really fascinating to see. The connection through my doctor, Landon Dr junior on the splits split apart. And how that's one of the first clues in the new C. Gabriel utter say is good friends with both of them kind of like training, mitigate like the breaking death from ship all trying to protect his friend, Dr Jacobs name because he doesn't want Dr Jekyll to be tied up with Mr. hikes. Insane. Hideous bonnet abominable things. And so like you have this from Mr. trying to protect his friend, all Dr Jekyll is trying to conceal something. I feel like understand like has that something's on how to go about it. And it's really it's really fascinating. See like that betrayal in this play versus all the other ones. I've seen where it's very theory parent. What's happening? This one's a little bit more like derives yet. And. Yeah, who done it. Yeah. But the audiences in on the secret because who doesn't know the story. And so they're just watching everybody unstaged catch up, and there's some kind of suspense to that too. I think is not member to to watch out go. But I know what it is. I can't tell so you have that kind of like every like every horror movie role. Why like, you know, the verdict of Asian that? Yeah. The person's headed to the basement. The. Even watches never seen before. And you know, like when you see something like, oh, you're the bad guy. And then you're tripping that and you're trying to find every small clue because all the other characters are missing every opportunity to country in your as an audience member. Like, but it's right. There is a no would really delicious about that. Like to know. And just to watch everybody else we have flounder around like, it's not necessarily comical. But it's very like, I'm so sorry. It's it's really fun. It's raining. Aww. But then that would ruin all the fun. This down the first five minutes with time for. So reload talked about the portrayal of Haider's, I'm guessing they're interviewing. Yeah. So one thing point there. Spoiler. Not necessarily. Well, he was talking about how they when they were doing audition ze. Yeah. Putting multiple voice was really fun yet. Coming coming in as Gabriel Anderson. The percent I were here with them like those moment where I'm talking to high. But there's two people. But yet there's like just within thirty seconds. I today were the same person hearing their voice in like stereo. Uneven so hard to do that late. Yeah. Beverley really hard to like how does this work? But I was actually at the callback read with me. And I think we were the first trio of people to try like what is. And like, we did never listen. There's a scene where they're standing behind me this memory, and they're like breathing both ears this like it's this very unearthly eerie out of body. Yes. You just feel gross in such a good job just one person. But they both bring something different. And so like, it's this weird. Yeah. It's really amazing energy. But it's yeah. As an audience watching that I can just imagine like. Of the gross. I'm fascinated them. Picture. What it is. You guys describing the way us. On kind of like you have to do like. Stateful? Really like about Nick Berg's the script is kind of his his shifting of time. I mean their stories within stories your flashbacks. So a lot of it too. Especially when we sat down to table work with like piecing together. Like, okay when did this happen? And so there's this weird way of utter telling the story to new come in. And so through that there's like flashbacks in these like weird other things. So you're also trying to piece together a time line. There's a lot of stuff that happens with the handing off of letters and all kinds of things too that I think really build up the suspense nicely and is USA sound. I mean, which isn't surprising with his work and big finish. A lot of lake. It's very to to me. It's very much somebody who is rooted in audio drama in the bed. Schedule all the best parts of it. And was like great. Here's a stage play and it works. Really? Well. Yeah. And that's that's the thing and universal. I were talking about it the other day. I said there's just so many opportunities to build sound into this. And I think a lot of times finding a really good sound is to do that or to go. Gosh is so much fun. All this fun stuff. I could play with you don't always get that opportunity in life theater. It's sort of frequently does get glossed over. So of going off you're talking about like the play of time. Fascinating. Had the chance to sit down with the actors do more and more like keep exploring more things and finding new interesting moments where like you have to remember that your character while they're telling story, they're also telling us in that story issue. You're not letting yourself know something before hand. And it's it's really fascinating. I can't remember what the dots were that. I can acted like last weekend. I should have figured that out. Sooner. Like there's still stuff like I'm still kinda going. Okay. That's fine of a really well thought out and written yet story whether it's a play or movie or TV show, or whatever if it's one team enough that you want to consume it more than once. But if he pick up something and every time your experience, I get kicked out of stuff. I moves. Yeah. That I've seen so many times in quo them for Guinea to end. But every now, and then I'll pick up something that I never caught up much twin peaks every year. At least once the really cool thing is he's made like this amazing sandwich at the very beginning of act one. It's lot of flashbacks kind of this present warlike things are happening in the present time line yet. We're getting like. Then act to starts off in the present time, we're getting active action as well. And then for maybe like the last portion of it is it's just like, and it's the beautiful sandwich of like backstory memories. President factory members in the final moment. Yeah. It's very it's delicious. Yeah. Well, the thing is to actually the way he is able to play with time is really great because it's also still very clear, that's understandable. So I think a lot of times when you see things like this, it becomes confusing to the audience. But I think it's the fact that his writing is very clear, and concise, and the fact that he is telling a story to an audience at knows story, it becomes this really clever. Some. So. Opens. He can't see all their eyeballs. Just got tons vicar like autographed as a Tuesday. It'll be just feels like Tuesday. It's. Just picked the. Yeah. No. There was an unfortunate thing. Our lead had to set down. And I got a phone. Call from Russell's inhaling. About twelve lease out from openings. Anyway, I could convince you to other said and I did. So so. Plastic for the size of the role because he's like oh. Did you tell him? How big I didn't it. I've been so warmly welcomed by all the cast and crew. And it's it's really made the growing pains of memorizing quickly. China's memorize stuff. China's memorize stuff so quickly. Last week. And it's a lot and. Yeah. So like that would not be possible without like credible. Customs like. You'll meet the other the other crew. Weirdos in theater. I will let you guys get back to our all things you have to. My face look at my once. On evan. Welcome. Next up. I chat with Heidi who plays Mr. Edward Hyde. Joel who plays Dr Henry Jekyll and Tyler who also plays Mr. Edward Hyde. Then you'll find out through the discussion. How exactly there are two. Mr highs. Start with the same questions. I did with Emily draw or being recorded now. Yes, you. Cords. Is this your first production here at this with this group facility? So I have been a part of Intech student productions for about two years now. I in this. I'm Dr Jekyll. What was the last thing? Oh, yeah. Anonymous, which we did last year by a Naomi as I did sound design for that. And before that we did all in the timing which I was acting. This is my second performance at ivytech. My first one was last year. I was ad and the moose in evil dead. The musical. You're the one who had your hand in the move. Excellent. I. Productions in two thousand twelve I was in waiting for lefty play Riley. I played Jonas the giver, I was in MacBeth king idol. I. Yeah. Mcdonald's donald. Yeah. I've been in a bunch phone. Okay. Okay. Cool. I radios lab now. So one of the things that we got to talking about with the previous group was obviously the story Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is has been around for a long time. It's very familiar to a lot of people this particular ration- of it written might nNcholas Briggs going to drop his name as many times. On the off chance. Here's this. Nicholas. Huge shocker who fan. Is the this is the first US production of this of this particular adaptation, so. Once you got your parts in gotten to the script and start, you know, started the planning process and all that and getting into the nitty gritty of everything if you've had any previous experience with an adaptation movie or another stage production, or whatever of this particular story. How does this one compare to other adaptations that you're familiar with? This one is I'm sure you know, it's much closer to the Novello on the other ones. The biggest thing is usually what people do they make it fall? They make the story follow Dr Jacqueline. But this production follows his lawyer Gabriel utter Sohn discovering what's going on. And so got her Jekyll and Mr Hyde like the insidious characters that drive the plot in there in the background, even though they're very present. But they're not the main protagonists. So they're just the activators of the world rather than, you know, the person follow you're like, oh, let's spend the entire time with them. Yeah. And playing Dr Jack. Is the it's. Figuring out your portrayal of the character. How different was it? Not technically being the star the focus of the story is it is in other add up patients where he is the person that they follow. Because they're following the lawyer instead you'd well. I mean, it makes some things easier to make something harder. More of what goes on for me are behind the scenes or in between scenes? Which makes it harder. Because then I don't have an arc that I get to follow as you know. As thoroughly I have to do a lot more outside research. However, the exciting things about it is I to change quite a bit between scenes, so I begin I end it. And then I might in my brain, I go through all of that stuff that I go through the next scene in a completely different place than the audience expects, which is really freeing because then I can be what I need to be without feeling like the story is on my back. So it's very nice, very cool. And then you too. Have a very unique way about portraying your character because instead of having a doctor Jekyll and mister high you have to you acting as one and it's kinda visualize in my head. How it how it worked really interested to see if you get to doing something, you know, rehearsal to to to see, but but the previous group they were talking about, you know, once you guys figured out how to make that dual people playing essentially single role work, just like almost immediately just how creepy and scary. Just like perfect that betrayal is and how you give them chills and. Ever told a lot of fun every time. When they when they proceed with the idea of having to voices for this one character where you immediately like, yeah. Let's try to like crazy. How are we gonna make us work? Yeah. I don't understand like we you want us to say like in sync with each item. I just didn't understand. And then we practiced it together. And we would that be. So I was like, wow. Maybe this could actually work. It was interesting when we did it in the callback initially. We were paired together. And it was very cool. How our voices just kind of defaulted to a very harmonious thing where we're both had our owner registers creeping blended. So well, somehow we said things like the same way. And I don't know how we did. Yeah. Because I mean, you can have you can have multiple people re reading exact same set of words, but people are going to say differently. Even words. So we were just on the same wavelength. I guess. So. Did you did you meet it -ly? Once they came to the idea. And you're like, yeah. Sure, let you know. Try did you have to try different ways? Or did you just kind of fall into two different different ideas of how it could work in to work through we different techniques just kind of happen or Ganic lay? Or young will initially started just saying every single line together and kind of working through how we would say them as a as a unit, and then as we got towards the middle of the process, we kind of started seeing well, let's see what happens if just you say this line while I'm skulking in the background. And then I can jump up behind him and say the next part of that line. And after we started experimenting with that gave a whole new layer to how creepy we could be. It was really cool to play with that. Yeah. Because we initially split it up by seven deadly sins. Russell had the great idea to look into that. And see what Hyde sort of embodies throughout the show. And once we figured that out Heidi kind of took half of them, and then I took the other half, and we kind of just split the lines according to well what what sin is he provoking in this line. Cool. So. Hey. Happens have a script to refer to. So I know one of the things that the talking about with Russell was the fact that. Along with using nNcholas Berg's script. You're welcome. Nick named off. Again. He's also allowing the production uses music to go with it. And obviously because this is a straight play not musical. Things you know, you've got incidental music music for transitions of that sort of thing. And then all the rest of the sound design that that goes with it. How do you found incorporating existing music that came with it along with coming up with the sound is I to work with your character portrayal as Dr Jekyll because his portrayal is the focus on him is different compared to other adaptations and then for you too. Because of the, you know, the duality of you to having to work in tandem with each other with the dual voices. Well, we nNcholas Rowe really script. And it's we think during the first read through did here, like thirty seconds of one of the pieces. But for the most part, we didn't really know exactly what it was going to be. But we worked, you know, doing scenes and practicing and stuff like that. And then last Saturday when we brought in the sound design. He's composed this like Ambien like ethereal kind of, you know, sound so it just like fell right into place, and it just it brings every scene to the next level. And it it works. Really? Well, it's it's really great. I couldn't ask for more from the sound design helps with the getting you into the the mindset. Yes. More disturbing. Seen in you drive, your own emotion, and you weren't with the other actors. But then when you're starting to seem with the music, I like it's doing some of my job, but you don't do less. Yeah. It just prolific you up even higher kind of made me feel more evil. Production should be thought the Swedish there'd be like Tober. Action. Let's all go see this production. Exactly. And let's go to hide house and get our paints scared off of even more. Bringing literally I know some people that we would not have a problem with it. For halloween. Totally down with the Halloween. Cool. Very cool. So are you excited? Yeah. Sorry. Similar action is slightly different. Your hordes? There is the size of my. I guess too bad this audio. You can't see the. Thinking. This is more. Like looks of like, oh, you know, it is what it is vomit. Think about what day. Peeper? Okinawa. One shed. The British Garrett keep calm and carry on tape joy. Let you guys get back to put. You gotta face faces being applied. Won't say which you're not supposed to say to actors. And last, but certainly not least we have my chat with chancellor who is the sound designer, Ian who plays the detective constable and Brin who plays Patterson. All right. So starting off is this your first production with live attack or you've been doing this while this is my first chain with I've attack in theater scope, the smut first production, maybe on Bishen meeting. This is my first Ivy tech show. I'm a theater drama major at you done. Most of my stuff there this my for similar year co all right? So the story of Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde. Obviously been around for quite a while lot. Most people are familiar at least a little bit with it. They mad scientists do personality evil crazy guy that does really bad things. So, but this particular adaptation is new at least to the United States second fair in general. It's only been around a handful of years. But this particular version written by nNcholas Briggs keep saying dropped his name in years. Many types possible. Is. This is the first production in the United States as far as anybody aware. So once you got your part in the in the show really got into the script and figuring out staging and all that all that fun stuff. How does this production? Compare this adaptation compared to any that you would for million with beforehand be it film or another stage production or. Even if you read the book. Yeah. Yeah. Some point. I'd never read the book. I'm familiar with the musical. And then there's a looney tunes. One right. Sure. This. It's a little unique from that. A lot less rabbits in this one in induction. I was more familiar with it as an idea of the story of a cultural right worked with Russell director. Russell McGee on some radio drama stuff last semester news like you like doctor who don't you talk to very much. Come on in for this on updating. And I haven't read the book, but I like, you can really see the language out the book in like, you don't have to read the book to know that it's very faithful through the language in the story in the structurally. Oh. This is this is a faithful to the original story, but still, you know, two hours long. Yeah. I'm not sure how long book is. What about you? From a sound standpoint of my work done civil short films, and I've never word like done sons on fourth year show, but I've been to plays in my experience. What that's like in most plays are like a visual very visual story for you. We're looking a lot of the thought process goes into like set in like taking the audience to dad world through that that sense. If I have to actually have to attribute Nichols growth. Tell sound officia because most of everything I have came from him and with his work on doctor in like the like he's used to like decreed his own sounds like producing his own his own aural space. So it's just different from what I've experienced. It's he's kind of open up the world. Not only visually transporting people to to another area another world of storytelling, also, including audio until into the theater store to theater production. Yes. Yeah. It's it's it's different. It's weird. And. I feel like at times, I keep questioning is this gonna work because it's going to like sound riot people like believe, this is what the space is supposed to sound like, you know, film. Can you can trick people easier? But I feel you know, there's a lot more vulnerability on stage and doing it live as opposed, you know, everything's plotted out in controllable multiple takes film. Actually, it's it's very different, Nick. Nick Briggs for. Making it such an interesting show. The shows as far as as well. As everything has said, it seemed special to me it hit on all the classic. Jecklin high hide things on that. We all know and then as well as the nitty gritty, Nick Briggs music, hit specifically the German expressions of the make up on. But also as a bit of creativity of we way to work with as far as what we do with the highs the people playing the hive so that was really special to me and just really interesting fun to watch. Yeah. But from everybody I've talked to the them coming up with the idea of having the the two voices for high having essentially two people play one part. It seemed come crazy at first. But once they figured it out. It was just one of those things like this makes absolute complete sense in just brings the tire production to like this whole new level ear unison creeping. Because the way that the story is written. It's the focus is not on general. Yeah. He's he's not the focal point of the story. And everyone in the everyone around him is completely clueless to what's going on. And they're having to figure figure it out on it's more through the lens of his lawyer. Instead, so, you know, the change in focus, plus at an nNcholas raises, you know, sound that he had already developed to go with the music that's being used plus the decisions that, you know, your producer and director of made as far as the casting doing those the dual hives. It just seems like, you know, found a way to take a story that a lot of people know in turn it on its head to. Yeah. It's crazy. I've never read any like to hide an extra of the story. Scooby doo. I think that's. Like other than that never seen like a musical or play other like rendition of the story. Yeah. But I've never anything. But I know the basics way they're doing with high of novels like. Really turning down a lot of form. So. Where we're going with that. He you the specifically need being the sound person. I guess you do have a different. If it's different dead different way of experience, ever experiencing everything. Have you found? Working in the what you need to do as a sound person. Being handed a bunch of music that was already ready to go essentially all ready made Sunday for this for this production mix. Mitcham easier. But also. Hughes like there's some link strings attached. You know? I feel like I go back and change like listen, like, oh, you know, what have been even better? If I've done this genes like musical cues and stuff like that. Nick Braves don't himself. But every time I listened back like every he everything he'd made is all pretty fanatically tied together. I feel like if anything if I were like. Some effects versus music was are two different things dishonest. Thanks, you know, it's kind of open open world. I can do whatever I feel like that's kind of what I've shot four. But the music, you know, I just couldn't bring myself to like mess with that in any way. Because it just fits everything together with that moving that stuff around and bring things back in playing the same song, you know, in a different -partment ties. More of the story together. Been a different viewpoint -versities guys. Paying attention to every little detail in terms of like how they're moving in. Timing things up to like a specific movement are like, you know. One of them walk off stage. That's mike. You gotta plan. If it's off it's going to throw the whole scene. Down Lukens feel weird. So it's like from from sound when it's definitely is different view in the show. So. In last. Words thoughts something I think I think is really interesting about the tuition that we're doing is the. As a British person. He has adapted it in a way linguistically. That's. A bit more British. So there's been some fun translations of yet. Like, I'm a bit character. I. Six lines. And it's pretty obvious in the writing that I'm supposed to be you know. Like cockney? Yeah. And but we're this production is not using since. Yeah. So we got to translate like. Whoa. Cockney in the UK. What does that mean in America and going to give away? My only character trait. Like, a very interesting to see how that you came to the US translation goes, and I think it goes, quite successfully. Amount on totally British accent. But. It wouldn't be very good. How many twenty twenty twenty of us getting twenty of us to be from the same place? Have visions of. People going. That's not right Dick Van Dyke and Mary Poppins. That's totally not. British shooting deer in we tear. Yes, we love to like. I. Bert forever. No. I think of that. You know, the fact that is written by started at the UK and. The. Story of London. So there would be possible flame not only because of the time period that at least original stories of judging by the set that is sitting a very similar time. There's no electric lights are seems to be. But yeah, think about the possible sleigh. Just changes words for basic things between here, the UK, and how that would be just for the audience, especially here, Indiana. Like, I totally understand someone's British accent in a lot of British Lang, I watch a lot of bricks television. But not everybody is like a crazy people that have BBC on twenty four. Oh, very cool. So. Have fun. Was reminiscent about the game on my days in the theater. Changing tight spaces and figure out how to hear mainland. Do your makeup. What you know, how other people are trying to share fifty people share the same two inch mirror and. Yeah. You're coming in jeans and a t shirt, you're ready to go. Yeah. So, but I. But they'll hear the results of your presence. Two people. It's not great. But. Thank you. It sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun. I look forward to seeing the production as a whole very excited. Now, I was excited before. But now really excited. Excited to pick up on the things that I've been told about from from you guys. So. Thank you. Thank you. You've been listening to the five ish fingers podcast. 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"The man is truly to beings cursed with a struggle of good and evil within him. What were this duality? Bill thank separated each part living alone the good companion and then the pure and ugly even a man that you your income income in. Did you get the salt yesterday? But only three pounds of it and resolve the head. Good would suffice anything anything. Oh good night at my beg. Pardon say if I may ask. Is the experiment. Nearly done? I think so pool this time. I think it's really nearly done splendid. Could be glad to goodnight. Goodnight sand gram of soil. Now where's your courage? Jekyll drink drink on the. Hey come face to face the essence of evert within your growing before your eyes. Brayson your other half. You've given him the miracle of life of the hidden evil in a man Dr Jekyll. The miracle of consumption evil come lives the hidden soul of Jekyll. I missed her high that night. Like show from an evil place. A stooped figure walked alone in London streets about him was a feeling of deformity and decay yet. Come from the BI street door of Dr Henry. Jackals house from his laboratory and it was this aimed he entered again when the first light of dawn dispelled the night but during the day the house in the laboratory were quiet while the master slept that evening Mr Addison. The lawyer stood before the bright fire in the library. Dr Jekyll had for. This is preposterous channel. I'm your lawyer. Yes but I think the be so concerned about Addison. Edward Hyde is a new friend of mine. I want to be sure he's provided for in case something happens to me. That's all but nothing's going to happen to you. How could you just disappear? As you've stated in this testament? How could I know that? After some strange decorative this is the way you wanted. Hide is captured my interest in his well being the one thing uppermost in my mind. I want to be certain in case something does happen to me. That hide will be financially secure. Do Carry on my saying. Well Rijeka Lizzy we were. We'll be ready for your signature and a few days. I'll bring it around. Mice have splendid. Addison now what about that spot of one of the things? No Duct Lennon's expecting me. He was only asking about the other evening juggle. We see you so seldom these days. I've been hard at it in the laboratory. Sure you can't stay another dame goodnight. Goodnight wonder. Who the devil is it would hide. It is Mr. Addison was the first of many Londoners would wonder about the hideous specter like Mr Hyde who fear the shadows of Knight because of him one evening nearly a week later your mind is dumpy with his cane assembly. You nobody's going to hurt you now. Where is this monster you speak out? He was right behind me. So all the way from Clendenin Street look there under the corner light. He'll not come out and again. When you know HAMAS come. He's seen us now. Wait by George. It is a monster looks. He's making ed doorway. This no one in the shadow. Just wait a minute that all right now. Don't be aid ULA did you. This child Ruffian molest again striking again. What kind of a devil argue? There's no gentleman but wishes to avoid a see. It was an accident. Maybe this pound notes where ease the boys pay. No excuse no wait a moment in this door. Isn't this Jacqueline's laboratory you must be Mr Hyde? I'm an old friend of the doctor's Gown Street you must have heard me. I was on my way to see Jacob Zuma Elon. Musk too high. We have common friends. Who ARE JEKYLL FOR ONE Let me see your face Mr Head. Should I know you when we meet again? We shattered nothing. Meet again missed so that is high and now Matt Run along. I better call to me this. There is but at the front door. I'm going to see if Mr Jacobson nominee I do you run along home and don't let me catch you out on the dock streets like this again. Thank you thank you. Good Evening Mr Edison home. Boom I'm afraid not said he'd be here at this late hour. I mean most generally he is. I just saw that height fellow going by the laboratory. Aw is that right when Dr Jacobs away from home quite right. Mr Mr Hyde has a key or master. Seems to put a gradient of trust him yes and he doesn't need. We all have artists to obey him. They'll be see him. Seldom he mostly comes and goes by the street door and at night. Well the same as responsible giving these papers we. I was talking about them as a few days ago. Yes good night Mr Down. Hurry pour the powder slowly. Drink mister high. The triumph rinse thank thank. God is cloudy. Strengthening of crooked evils muskie of an ugly idle in the glass the last of you Mr Hyde you'll never existed game but that's you got to Jacqueline. Yes Paul said. I just told Mr that you would not tell him. I came in the laboratory door POO BUT MR HYDE SET. Aside is gone go. I see Mr Edison leftist paper envelopes astor also to see it was soon as possible. Thank you put it. There should be some chocolates. No now go to bed. I'm retired pool being alone too much lately. What is my taking your advice having dinner party. Oh that would be like old times. We're talking over tomorrow. Planes and cool. I don't think Mister Hyde back again. Good evening come writing. Set Dr Lennon Julie. Coming Out. Dako good to see you out of that. Shell after all these months. This isn't going to be one of those stuffy dinner parties is it? Hasn't Oh yes. Oh by the way Jack. Oh this is your walking stick. Isn't it right associates? You went off with my and the last time we were over. Left Yours. I am Saray look for Kane cars. I'd rather have this one. I'm Rhonda Canes and Cherry a little dogs. Nicely carved perhaps range of swamps. Hey well Dr Jekyll and know that. Have you been hiding all these weeks hiding right? Here's Andrew Right here. Well we've missed you MRS fielding's dinners aren't the same without Dr J. C. It's good to see you eating this time. I've been trying to see you. Are We my something I knew mine and we can still out of humans people? I did not really a few. I've got a house full of guests remember as Saddam. Right would. It does look like you've been working. Well it takes a lot of equipment for chemical experiments. Now what's happening. You should know without asking. That will of course. Oh that Jacob you never did and especially since I've met you Mr Hyde. He's a jiggle the other night he's not talking about it. It's not as you offensive. I can be with the moment I choose. What what's the matter just going to say? Let's leave the will is it is and will you promise me one thing that. I still take a great interest in Hyde and I only ask for justice for you to help him if the time comes when I'm no longer here The whole thing's preposterous. But who are you in now? Narrow your face your face look at me turn wait a minute so you my is in low let alone you got to stay forever. Me Fade missed eight of the ten. 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Ever since you and Dr London veteran to check partying in the Whitehead Gentlemen came along and this month old gentleman just asked about the post and this month just talking with his cane kicked him and that was to go screen. Some people came out from the houses and like an animal and then ran away. We might come back with Julia back. What's happened to the poor? Blacks are such an old man. He's been mother Dot Com Daniel. It's SORTA Andrew Crew. Looks like he's on his way to the post. Some Madman attack. Call an office. Everybody been called. Look at this. What is it a walking cane what the murder was done with? Most likely. It's broke plumbing to let me see that. Heavies Cain do a murder with that. How terrible maniacs done this back? News reports so much of bulk and some folks is seen John Kerry dogs had caught in the handle stocker. Chiklis constantly ever room. Any real quick. Yes right away and I won't have not limited media review legislation time. I tell you send me one piece fingers around. Just throw a wheel. Go as I say sham show up to two hundred ten note he wants delivered. I read fingers around my thrilled. I invented I cannot impress upon you too strongly the importance of this note. Doctor you have been a dear friend and now my life is in your hands. Go immediately to my house pool. Let that you from my laboratory cabinet. Remove the fos- draw from the top with all its contents intact and take it to your house where a man will present himself in my name at exactly midnight tonight. You must not feel me Henry Jekyll. What an extraordinary thing I've done this. Jekyll said now we see right on the dot? Was that way. Are you from Jekyll? I have but look here. Always time to draw in my study of through that door. There they are on the table. Graduated glass beside you. But what are you going to do going to form Munich? Jecklin say anything about if this is some fiendish thing geckos cooked up. Ayob no pop into it. 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All those weeks doctor how you say I strong the formula to bring him to life weeks ago who that was but now he's strong now can receive before he hasn't the power to keep him back. Two hours from Canadian heartbe Mr Hyde to gain no strength. My world can stop it Jayco bad. Leave me alone in having interest. See I've got to find more of the powder. This was the last. Jekyll have mercy over. Manilow pool got the powder for me but the shop because it has no more. It must have contained some impurity. That did the trick got helped me find out what that impurity was doctor Langdon. You've got murder. This evil hide in muscle check. Oh No yeah. He is hot. And that's one of your Kerr doctrines extra. You have cares him. The one man who save lie is a God. Bless YOU MR for coming so quickly. What happened I'm Selena Faye Dr Checkers with minutes Murdoch coming? Don't make a noise. We must be heard. Where are you taking me? The doctor Jekyll laboratory and by Hannah Johnson. Jemaine don't go Mr. Don't go but how could be dead. I said I beg of you. You see he's been in laboratory all day and he won't come out. And every time I knock weight and you should see love money Mr asking concert. Well that doesn't sound like Jekyll to me dose. And I'm glad to hear you say because Mr Anderson Whatever is in Christ haven't been waiting since wasn't driving at pool. It all began early this morning. I found Dr. Yes yes I saw such face. It was sometimes Dr Jekyll and he orders on the sheet of paper. This don't and since this morning we've had nothing else except notes to close daughter and food left outside to be smuggled in whom when nobody was looking a dozen times missed it up. This does not be flying all over London to wholesale Kim specific powder but every time soon after I brought it back the paper telling me to return it because it wasn't rights and this is wanted back then maybe it is. Maybe we'll do you think I wouldn't know my master after twenty years. That's the thing I missed. That person had done away with Dr Jekyll then or do you think it is in their give you my Bible Mister Monster Miss to hide. We've got the break at all. I have the tools here have taken liberty of sending a footman with the boy around the students just in case and I have a gun. He has come. They catch him if he tries to escape the cancer his the X. Here. Yeah for the candle. I let me in Crown Lever. If you don't open it on I'm going to break it. Don't live alone away. We're coming in there to hike governor. I go give me that gun pool offering comedy if you dad. Stand behind me pool. I'm going to push it open. How Monster Mr Anderson? He's got a knife back from us. Mr Hyde See Carnegie status and my fought. So you'll have murder duck tackle because he wish media date now. Both of you are die coming back. He's Deadpool Dr Jekyll. His body must be here somewhere laboratory. He's changing. Its you're looking at the shell of an Evil Soul. 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Let me see one GAL GLYCERIN. Two gals that would out gay two gals regularly. Hausky is. That's all I need this week and the whole sale. Oh Hello Doc Adams. Hello Pete let me sit down estimated. Well yes you're hanging. Oh doc up yourself all making little too early for the young ladies from the high school to drop in for their daily Double Sundays you. Hey what's the matter doc? You look all plum. Tucker doubt I am. Pete walked all the way from Jim. Lundberg Gary this morning you did well. I'll be plowed furrow. What for well. I'm having some work done on my car. I won't be able to get it to the evening. I see you know I've been thinking no. Yeah and I've been thinking you should ought to be getting a new automobile pretty soon That what you've been thinking is yes I have is that so. What's the trouble dog? Ain't taking no offense at the suggestion. Are you know no? That's all right? That's one thing about you if anybody in everyone's any free advice they can certainly get it at maze drugstore. Yeah I guess you're right. Well you know what Ben Thinking you should buy yourself a new automobile now Certainly be interested in buying not. Well this is the reason the folks at Seton and all the surrounding territory might say all of them depend on you for medical attention and if anything ever happened to you and that will wreck you got now why something awful might take place. Somebody might die while you're getting them. you You don't seem to be very interested. I'm not not the least bit. I say That car of mine stood up for five years and they're still on a good mileage. Well maybe I take care of my car just like I advise my patients to take care of the human system. Careful attention careful driving no lexuses speed. Watch the Ravel's squeaks and take care of them before they get worse. That's all there is to it. Well you know. Doc It's all as appeared to me that there was a heap of difference between audie mobile and the Human System Inc. you're incorrigible. Who Me on the hook. I wouldn't say that forgotten and I don't know whether it's important or not but ms Adams wound up here for you might go to Friday. Why didn't you tell me Dolly's doc I forgot or got beat may or the forgetting man and he didn't let me use your phone. Your dot going ahead. Dr Adams Alad when you thank hello honey. This is grand. What oh no. That's that's too bad why. Of course I'll wait a minute. I forgot I haven't got macaca if you want me to drive you doc wait. Where did you hear about Lou? I see an all night then Mr Mesa. Drive me up there all right honey thank you but what does it talk? Somebody sick bad grip Miller. I told him two weeks ago to watch the kind of work he did around his place. He's fallen off the roof of his boathouse. Mrs Atom Says Mrs. Maynard phone at one of the twins is up there and he never mind. Let's get on away grip. Need help bad. Sure thing. No DOC wait a second get burn off and Makoto too bad for all lucky thing. Could I've me up his car? Come on what are you doing? All set all sat one. Let's go get ms Adams what was wrong with no just add one of the main drain tall and he had to be held into the how. You should not do that kind of work. Now that he's got that mine his that's what I told him and he wasn't paying attention to that. Hey what's wrong? Talked only doc all right this morning come on. Let's get out and find out can't figure out what's the trouble of course you can take the Yeah sure Gullies I PLUMB FORGOT. There ain't any hinge pins and that hood. Well now let me see. It might be the timer. Wonderful Spark plugs is okay. Hand me that screwdriver. Under the front seat DOT Ya Yeah that one's Jim Dandy now let me see and that's okay. You would have an all metal screwdriver. Well I guess these plugs are all right now. It might be the carburetor. Maybe I'd better take it apart. Oh Gosh till Friday Pete. How long will that take? Maybe I should oughta try some other things It's please do well. Let me try. Starting her again doc. Maybe she'll go by now. He does every once in a while. All right with please hurry. Don't forget who good Miller up there. And His doctors banned. Yeah wait a SEC doc. I forgot to put back. We'll bother the hood. Let's get going Okeydokey just as you say. Yeah just like you say doc Miller on doing heavy work. I'd say Don I said Yeah I just wondered how my out of that gold mine in here. I haven't the slightest idea. Thanks to make this thing. Go ANY PASSERBY. Nope going uphill now. This is all he'll make us to nominate dog. I would have to make a trip like this way up to the late on the very day with my car and the Gary L. DOT. That's life or you know. Let's all never mind. Oh there he goes again. I reckon guy stuff might as well take another look a lot of good. That's going to do sit right here. All Right Doc. I'll ever fixed up again in a Jiffy. All golly Samanta now I left the screwdriver. Back in the road yawned. Give you one of my good scalpels. See what damage you can deal with that not as much as you can. I'll bet you doc. Oh well why don't you turn off the ignition? That's it doc this wire here see it's all uncovered installations wore off and I ain't got any tape. Yeah there's some adhesive tape. Thanks Doc. Don't know what I'd do without you on this trip. Now what I'll do because of you on this trip. But DOC contract violent cases nervous prostration. Just think poor old grip up their suffering on. Death's bed perhaps air. She has doc. Let's dryer again. Yes I'll fiddle wel- we go. I got it. Let's say dot. Have I just drive? Oh I can't stand this. This is the limit. I'm sorry doc. But there's just nothing I can do about it. He May. This is the sixth time. This fishing machine stopped now. What I want to know is do you all never mind. Can we do now? Well I'll tell you down at the bottom of the next hill is Miller light. If we could push the buggy to the top of the hill she'd roll clear down to grips boat. House right anything to get going and it might help if you take the bake off Roy Yeah sure all right. Duck our week. Top of the hill. I don't know your voice and here we are not copying quick. You know you don't have to go to pass now. Another few seconds won't matter and help but dunk gate got hardly no. Oh are you. Okay doc okay. Oh I hope grip isn't any worse here. All go up with you never mind. I don't eat it. Hey Talk Look. What are you talking about over there? He's Miller working on his booze on. Well let me talks go hand. Hey breath okay doc. Made a way of Miller. I thought you off the roof. Your Boat House. We update with where I thought I'd find you. I've cracked ribs and a brain concussion. They can't kill off bowl grave and you don't need any medical attention medical. No rules out new Jewish morning. 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Following the report's release the most popular exercise now seems to be masturbating but researchers warned that if you do it in public stick to the sidewalk or you might get hit by calls network. Hey It's free talk live. Welcome to another episode where you can take control of the airwaves. You can bring up whatever is on your mind. Our number's eight fifty. Five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three joining you in the studio here tonight. It's Ian and nobody so of course you can bring up whatever you want to discuss an There's actually some good news out there. Nobody Oh happy. Day was actually brought to my attention by Vincent who is not feeling well so he hasn't. He's not in tonight normally. He would be sitting where I'm sitting. But he's not here but he gave me the heads up that in your home state of Michigan where you originally from staff currently live in New Hampshire and have for many years but But in Michigan hundreds of protesters are apparently coming down on the State House. Like into the State House. Nice yeah and or the state capital. Maybe it's called the I don't know what they call it there. But it's the the offices where these bureaucrats and politicians spend their time destroying people's lives the belly of the beast. Yeah the Capitol building. I guess is what it's called in lansing and this is happening. Basically as we speak or it was happening as we speak. I don't know if they're continuing to occupy the building after it has closed for the day. But I imagine you know. Seven o'clock eastern time Michigan being in the eastern time zone presumably the state capital would close at around five or or something like that. That wasn't even open today. That's a good question because well somehow they got in there so I'm presuming. It was open because it looks like they had There were like state bureaucrats and politicians inside this place. There's a story over at NBC News. That has photos taken shared on. Social Media. One of them by a Senator Dana Poll Hanky and it appears that she is in the State House looking upwards at a gallery maybe area or some sort of area where men with guns Men with rifles the quote from her twitter at at sin. Paul Hanky directly above me men with rifles yelling at us. Some of my colleagues won't bulletproof vests are wearing them. I have never appreciated our sergeants at arms more than today So she's good. Yeah maybe they thought they were preventing those those people from firing their rifles through sheer force of personality. But here's the story from NBC. Hundreds of people protested outside the Michigan Capitol Building in Lansing today with some pushing inside while the legislature was debating. An extension of Governor Gretchen whitmer state of emergency in response to the corona virus. Pandemic protesters held signs waved American flags and even carried firearms while some chanted let us in and this is the People's house you cannot lock us out others tried to get onto the house four awkward Chen. It's a lot but others tried to get onto the house floor but were blocked by state. Police Sergeants at arms according to the NBC affiliate W. D. I v. in Detroit a state police spokes bureaucrat told. Nbc News that it is legal and Michigan to carry firearms as long as it's done with lawful intent and the weapon is visible so that's unusual. I mean apparently New Hampshire is not the only state where you can legally carry guns openly into the State House. I grew up in Michigan. And there there is no. It was never illegal. Technically to open. Carry a gun in Michigan. But unless you're way out in the sticks God help you if he actually did it barely. No one has been shot yet in this particular things have changed. I think with respect to open carry in a lot of states but that was what I was growing up. Nobody open carried and it was pretty. Well understood that if you did you were probably going to get shot by police. But that is obviously changed. Yeah well of course when there's a when there are hundreds of men with guns versus maybe fifteen to twenty. I don't know there's not that many guys that are on the police side by comparison. They don't have cops on duty to to deal with this. There's an a really excellent photograph on one of these stories where it's inside the State Capitol building. You've got maybe two or three no more than that cops. They appear to be guarding some sort of a doorway. Presumably the governor's office or some other political know office. And there's like a guy shouting into one of these cops. Of course the cops have the face masks on and no one in the crowd has face masks on and these guys are shouting at the police. Like no more than a foot two feet away from the cops face and then the cop can't do anything about it. He's not doing anything about it because he's outnumbered well. That's the thing that people forget when they when they think they think. Oh we could never defeat the government. They're so much better armed than we are. But the thing is there's about a million and a half people be tween our entire military and every cop in the United States comes to about a million and a half people. There's three hundred million Americans. So that's two hundred Americans for every cop and every soldier and of course to bring every soldier to bear they'd have to end all the wars and bring them home because must've ABC's which would be a huge loss for them anyway because the people want the war's over but the bureaucrats live for it so they So we've got a lot more power than we give ourselves credit for when we occasionally developed a courage to use it. Yep absolutely true so Kudos these guys and gals there in Michigan. I hope that a lot of people see this and that they're energized by it and then they get out to do whatever kind of thing they're doing. I know here in New Hampshire. We're going to be back at the State House this Saturday. The noon to two at the State House in Concord New Hampshire if your New England and you want to stand up for freedom then that's going to be the place to do it and given the what I would say was at least four. Hundred people turned out two weeks ago I'm thinking momentum going to build I. I'm going to predict a larger. I mean I don't like to make predictions but I think it could be bigger this time. Nobody I hope so was last time and it was big last time. Last time was the largest protests. I think that I've ever attended at the State House. I mean I've been to a bunch there and the this top I would say at top the biggest four twenty that we had there. Wow maybe because I think we had at least a couple hundred attend two or maybe three hundred tops it at the biggest four twenty within the last decade. But this was even bigger than that. Yeah it was so Michigan United for Liberty organized. This protest that happens is getting happening now. Dubbed the American Patriot rallied call for the reopening of businesses state. Lawmakers are expected to vote on the twenty eight day extension of the state of emergency before it expires at midnight. So maybe but before the end of the show will get an update and see how they voted on this whitmer. A Democrat who's faced fierce backlash for her strict stay at home mandate extended the order earlier this month until may fifteenth but she eased some of the restrictions on public activities. As the state's corona virus cases stabilize Michigan however still has more than forty thousand cases. And they say it's one of the hardest hit states. The emergency declaration allows Whitmer to user emergency powers to use executive orders during a crisis. It's extension is separate from the extension of the stay at home or so just to be clear. She's extended the emergency powers until may fifteenth. But the stay at home. Order was slated to expire today. And that's what they are voting on possibly extending as I understand it so forty thousand cases and that's what they say so one percent of that would be four hundred so that would be like two hundred dead. Probably if it's if if you know maybe I mean it's it's it's bad but that's not the end of the world nope it's definitely not the the end of the world. They're apparently according to the story. They were actually taking temperatures of the protesters coming through the front doors of the State Capitol building so the police took temperatures of those entering the bread Julie using forehead. Thermometers Good W. O. O. D. out of grand rapids Rapids like the operation. Gridlock demonstration April fifteenth over Whitmer. Stay at home order. Many demonstrators appear to be supporters of president. Donald trump donning make America great again campaign hats and in one instance putting on a dance routine with two girls wearing masks appeared to be of trump and former president. Barack Obama so once again the trumpers coming out in fairly large numbers. We saw this here in New Hampshire and the event two weeks ago If you WANNA weigh in. You're welcome to join us here. The toll free numbers. 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I and I built And they committed suicide but the point thing he ever does seventy five years later. Seventy five years later The world would have been totally different. I'm surprised that no one even I on the news brought nobody mentioned it or whatever Why would anyone out brand news mentioned that it's any lawrence it's becoming Americans? They don't even know what happened to your ago. Let alone three quarters of a century ago but that was all kinds of thugs that have died over the myriad of years. Yeah I mean If you if you go all the way back to collegue. Ula there probably isn't a day when a tyrant didn't die So why should we be concerned with this particular tire? And because he He more than anyone else Changed changed the world People people can Say Derogatory Things. Which is nine out of ten times. But what did he do to change the world I mean besides eradicating human a bunch of people? But there's a lot of people who've killed people I mean Genghis Khan certainly Anka's con killed a lot more than Hitler. Stalin killed out more. Doesn't really get the credit for all the blood he spilled. I'm glad you mentioned style when Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler the reason why you don't you don't hear that is that's because he stayed in power long enough. He wasn't stupid enough to try to open a two front war. That's true that's true. But Stalin Kill Twenty of his own people and what people don't realize is that the Bolshevik revolution that overthrew the czar in November of nineteen seventeen the books predominantly tunes. They overthrew czarist Russia in nineteen seventeen and getting back to Hitler. What he was trying to do he was trying to save the world from basically a Jewish bolshevism. He was even know what that means. What does that mean save it from what Jewish bolshevism. It's another term for communist. You never heard you never heard of Bolshevism. I know a Bolshevism is it's communism but there's no particular affinity of Jews for Communism I mean sure marks was Ju- but so was Ludwig von Mises so as Milton Friedman right. You are Jewish. Rothbart wasn't Rothbart was Jewish. So Yeah. Those are three of the greatest capitalist economists of all time so sure. Communism is stupid but it has nothing to do with Judaism. There's no there's the fact that you recused founded the call. Moxie said a moment ago capital. Keep was the founder okay. You can't just say Scott you can't say the Jews founded and then site one guy in nineteen seventeen the bolsheviks the vast majority of them were Jews. It's a known fact. They overthrew czarist regime in nineteen seventeen. That's not an opinion that's back. So communism is absolutely positively a Jewish invention. It's the Jewish device. The Jews invented it. What Hitler worked at constant the? Why would you say that Hitler was trying to save the world from Communism when his own party were the National Socialists? Socialist just a euphemism socialism. He a euphemism it basically in fascist countries. They did their socialism. A little bit differently the Basically they had unholy alliance between big business big labor and big government that that pretty much ganged up and screwed everybody else in the country because they had the power. And that's what happens when the government has power over over the economy. So you know. Hitler did provide a huge welfare state mostly with wealth that he stole from from the juice that he was killing and the other people killed in the Holocaust. What yeah I did. I'm not impressed. Yeah I think could sell all you have and give it to your due to the poor but don't check your neighbor's stuff and give that to the yeah. I'm not really sure exactly what you're GonNa try to tell me the differences between National Socialists. And Communists can you clarify clarify for me. Yeah let's hear communism it's when they now is all of the all of the businesses to steel mines the coal mines every think of all socialists. Do that to Hitler founded Volkswagen Volkswagen. People's car he wrote you know how he did that. He wrote the design on of a Volkswagen on a Napkin care. I don't care but anyway they also you didn't answer the question go ahead. Yeah if you let me now so it was Is also salivas business. But it's more it's more business friendly than a load of crap. Thanks for the call. I don't care if the business if the socialism is business friendly to socialism we got in. This country is pretty business friendly. They bailed out the The bankers to the tune of trillions and the people to the tune of a wandering the third million but it doesn't matter if the government's controlling the economy I loose eight five five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. 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She's making a stand against the Texas government and it's pretty inspiring so we'll get to that coming up here but back to Michigan for just a moment where at the State Capitol building hunt what is described by the mainstream media as hundreds of protesters stormed the building protesting a many them outside but a number of them went inside. And and I mean more than like a handful it looked like dozens of people had gone inside the State House. Many of whom were openly carrying guns and the police had to block access to certain parts of the Capitol building. They got upset when we went through their building. And we were just open carrying. We'd yeah you're talking about years ago. With the the four twenties where we sang the Shire Carols. Yes side the State House which was a lot of fun. Drug war cops are raiding school. So there's another update here this one from Breitbart as posted in our discord server. Thanks to high guy for posting this in their the Michigan House of Representatives has declined to extend governor for the State of emergency and other twenty eight days and instead voted today to sue her whitmer initial state of emergency order which is separate from the stay at home order expire circa. So maybe I had it backwards and we've talked about it in the first segment. So apparently this emergency order expires today and requires legislative action to be lengthened negotiations on. That front fell apart on when whitmer refused to make any concessions on the matter asserting. She has the ultimate control over emergencies. So the House voted to authorize their speaker. Lee Chatfield to sue. The governor saying widmer's unchecked. An undemocratic approach is not the best way quote. The current status quo relies on one-size-fits-all edicts. That unfairly punish millions of people across the state without giving than any resource or rather recourse or voice in the process. He guys as a former Michigan resident. You y'all been screwing the Pooch for the last century. So why don't you just give it up go home? You're drunk. Michigan state government wouldn't go unfortunately and you know they're not going to be convinced. Just let go of power like that. Which could they will. I believe they will. When may finally lose their power? They will go out in an orgy of violence quote. The people deserve a better solution and we can provide it. He says the House also and I consider me skeptical about that when when I say that I'm not saying US attacking them. I'm saying that they will. They will keep killing people until it becomes absolutely clear to them that they cannot maintain their power. And no matter. How many people they kill. Well I was referring to the the claim here from the House Speaker who saying the the people deserve a better solution and we can provide it so once again it's coming down to politics between the Republicans and the Democrats and this. This whole thing is a political football and they all protesters were on your side. We're here for you. We're GONNA help. We're going to step in and we're GONNA put this governor in her place but ultimately all they're doing is just filing a lawsuit so there it's all just system playing with itself basically. Yeah I mean it's good that some people are on the side of the of of the people but it shouldn't have to go through all this voting the mayor or I'm sorry. The governor gave an illegal immoral unconscionable order and they're still obeying her. Yeah now and that every single person who's out there physically enforcing this tyranny is responsible for it and bears responsibility for it. So here's the question what's going to happen well. Will these protesters do next? If this lawsuit goes ahead and the you know the The court comes back and says Oh. The governor was completely within her so called authority to issue these. Orders case dismissed. Well I mean at what I would be doing if I had that many people behind me would be talking about convening a citizens grand jury and basically indicting the governor and bikes and every Steinle who's out there enforcing things as police. Yeah and pretty much like I'm not gonNA blame some cooking government government cafeteria. You know this. This is above their pay grade. But if you're in the direct chain of command somewhere between the chief executive and the Jackboot on the street who's actually doing the violence then you should be indited. You should be drummed out of office. The Republicans and Democrats have cooperated to pretty much. Get a lock on power to the point where they both put up monsters and one of the monsters wins. Yeah and that's democracy. Is Ben dead for decades here then? That's the sad part about this. Is You know all this. Political wrangling is just simply designed to get people to believe that the the system still works Z. Our guys are in there and they're bringing a lawsuit and they're going to go get. That governor of politicians are good for one thing. If you watch what they're doing you can tell which way the wind is blowing. And so the fact that they do. This says to me that a lot of people are starting to wake up because if it wasn't politically expedient where they wouldn't be doing it and of course you know if you can get four hundred out in the street you've got four million angry. Maybe so let's talk to Jimmy. He's an Eagle Rock Missouri. Listening online via tune in go ahead. Jimmy Yeah I'd like to talk about a away can get the big. Coy are really any CRYPTO currency. You want For Free Okay Yeah let's hear that well. Basically there is this whole that S. e. t. h. and basically you scan receipt and You accumulate points from scanning receipt by a grocery store and convenience store recy- and You build up these points and it costs about fifty two thousand points which you get those points pretty quick. I wonder if there's sowing the receipts to businessmen to use tax deductions. Yeah I was GONNA say why? Would they be paying first of all you said fifty thousand points? How do you get fifty two thousand points? And what does that get you? As far as crypto currency this sounds like the spam. It's legitimate it's a the fifty two thousand points What's the point you buy? You can purchase things on on there like visa MasterCard. You can get a fifty dollar visa MasterCard for fifty two thousand points So by point is the. What is the point equivalent to one point? Two one dollars. Pretty much but Forever you're going to get Hong. Let me see if I've got you here. 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That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three and when something sounds like. It's too good to be true. There's a good chance that it is too good to be true. But a counterexample is I hear dot. Io is not was sounded too good to be true but it was one of the things that that actually was true and it was true for several years and then we saw the notice. What a couple of weeks ago that they were going to go out of business in early June and then they changed their minds after a major outpouring of support and it's not clear exactly who came to the rescue or whatever but apparently purse dot. Io has cancelled the the shutdown and they're moving forward so glad to really hear that about well. I mean one thing that was going on was was bitcoin at fallen from ten thousand to four thousand in about the same time frame that they were they were Said that that was happening. So wasn't it was Was probably around seven or eight thousand when they made that announcement. Okay but what happened what I think. What really did him in was up to eight thousand nine thousand yesterday Today it's been at around eighty seven eight hundred but what I think really the issue was with with person by the way the good good your elegant to his save at Purse Dot Com save at purse dot com. Go there and get signed up and start saving big time on your purchases on Amazon. But that was the issue is that For instance I just got a pair of headphones for the studio because every now and then headphones break. And it's easy to order another pair especially when you can save fifteen or twenty percent by buying it through save purse dot com however when I went to Amazon. Go and look at the item. Well they had the item but they weren't going to ship it for another month at least so the Shipping Times on so-called nonessential items went from Standard Amazon two day or the next day or whatever shipping to maybe. We'll get it to you in like a month or two and so when you know the purse dot com site. The way it works is somebody is wanting to buy your bitcoin or your bitcoin. Cash from you and what they do is they. Buy You the item that you want on Amazon. They pay the full price on Amazon. But you get whatever percentage discount you've said so let's say twenty percent off you said. I want this headphones at twenty percent off while somebody pays twenty percent on top of the cost of Bitcoin. Whatever a normal the market price of Bitcoin is they pay twenty percent on top of that in order to get you the item essentially and And then you get the thing you want but you got it at twenty percent off. They paid twenty percent more because they want the bitcoin that badly and they want the anonymity or whatever that Natalie that they're willing to pay that much extra but they gotta get the bitcoin quickly so a lot of these people will ship you things next day. I've had things done with Sunday delivery before like somebody paid extra just so it would come one day sooner rather than coming on Monday. They wanted the product to get there on Sunday because they only get paid when the product that you want arrives in your hands and then you go to the sight say the first dot Com and you release the escrow. So there's a timetable. That's very important to these people that want to get the bitcoin. Well if they go on to order the item you want an Amazon says. Oh we're not going to send this for another three months or however long it is six weeks then they're just gonNa be like well. I'm not buying it and so therefore that's I think what killed Savers DOT COM. Okay yeah because they only do Amazon. There was one time where they they talked early on about. Maybe adding like an Ebay aspect to the site where it wouldn't just be solely Amazon that they they operated with because there's no reason it has to just be Amazon is just now. They built a system that makes it easy to Ingest Amazon wishlists. And things like that so they use Amazon So maybe we will see some new developments coming from save a purse dot com. I don't know where they're GONNA go from here. But as of right now unless you're ordering essential items. They're not common in anytime soon. So-called essential items from from Amazon. Well I mean for those of us who exist more or less in the CRYPTO economy. You know any way. Basically the our import and export is paid for when we do when we Occasionally change things two dollars or something else. So it's Let's bring Jimmy back online here. We can talk more about that in a moment but he was telling us about an APP that I have never heard of before and I actually just looked it up Jimmy. Maybe maybe I wrote it down wrong when you were Describing it a moment ago you were saying people are taking pictures and it. Sounds like you've done this taking pictures of receipts sending them into this APP and then somehow getting gift cards for the photos of receipts. You said Bernie receipts. Does it take to make fifty bucks on a on a on a gift card or I've entered in five receipt and got over fifteen hundred points so it does take a woman. How many points does it take to get a gift card? Fifty two thousand points okay. And and the the five receipts that you put in. What was the total dollar value on those receipts Rob Probably close to one hundred dollars. Okay hundred or so so but you know in the APP you said. It was called S. E. T. H. S. Eric S. As in Sam in West they're doing something Write something that's nefarious with those credit cards. There's no reason for it to be that valuable to yeah. It doesn't make sense. What's the APP called again Jimmy? I didn't get that from you. Real soon play. Fetch with a dog. Okay I wrote down S. as in Sam so F. E. C. H. So what is your speculation as to how the revenue model is working here with here? Because there's no way that if if you send me a photograph of a receipt. I don't know if that's your receipt. You could have gotten that receipt anywhere. I mean it could have come from anybody anywhere. How do I know that it hasn't been sent into the APP before? Or whatever like this just doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing here? I wonder what they what they do for This is they kind of do a little subliminal advertising with Saying it was like they have two hundred and eighty three products that are products where you can get like one percent more in points. You know And they're all big name brand products fritos and Burritos and all that but That's basically I'm guessing how they how they actually make money is by Advertising through Products like that interesting Jimmy. Well I mean I I hope it works out for you now. You said Bitcoin was somehow involved in this house. That what well. It's kind of a roundabout way but basically if you purchase a mastercard or VISA CARD. Could Buy Bitcoin with that. Oh Yeah Okay so. It doesn't have anything to do with the APP itself. They're not doing anything with BITCOIN. They're just giving Giving OUT GIFT CARDS GIFT cards. Yeah and that is a way to get bitcoins. I mean there are websites like local bitcoins or local dot. Bitcoin DOT COM. These are sites where you can use gift cards in order to exchange knows for for BITCOIN and Bitcoin cash. That does happen. Yeah absolutely though. There is a lot of fraud so I would like to recommend. People be very wary if they're getting into that Thank you Jimmy for the call tonight. I definitely appreciate hearing from you like if you're going to buy a gift card with. Bitcoin used to be real careful that the person has an already redeemed the gift card right so they give you a gift card number and they say Yeah Yours Fifty Bucks. Were on a gift card and then turns when you go to the Amazon or wherever you punching the gift card number and they tell you oh that gift cards already been redeemed. Well did you already given the bitcoin because if so they got both the gift card value and they got the Bitcoin from you here. I mean it's I mean I wouldn't want to want to buy a used gift cards with dollars. I wouldn't WanNa buy them with with with Bitcoin. What we really need is a network of people around the WHO do what I do. Which is I mean. I do sell bitcoin. But you know you can. I sell BITCOIN TO PEOPLE. I know and that that to me I would like to have people in in cities doing that face to face and person to person because that's really the ultimate and anonymity and I you know if if you're putting away something for your retirement and you don't want the government to know to know you had A. I hope you didn't buy it on Com- base right point so if you want to join us here you can the toll free numbers eight fifty five four hundred fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. I said I had I had more good news and this is not a time where we're seeing a lot of good news but there is a bright light one lady in Dallas Texas who we spoke about within the last week her name is shelly. Luther she's the owner of Salon Ala mode and she is going up against a Texas judge and the Texas gang known as the police that they're trying to stop this woman from giving people haircuts and other Salani sorts of things And she is saying she's not going to stop. She's not going to close her doors. There's a man in a robe who's written order demanding that she closed her doors and she is going against the judge's order which is going to put her in contempt of court. Well so I mean this lady's got some way boasts. 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You're invited to join us here. Toll Free Number is eight fifty five four fifty free with a little bit of good news for you tonight. The protests in Michigan today with armed people storming the State Capitol building literally I inside in dozens of people being standing up against the police standing up against the state government goons and demanding their freedom to open their businesses. Because most of most people aren't as braves this lady in Dallas they. They just aren't willing to put their own freedom on the line and their own business on the line like Shelly Luther. Who as we reported? I think it was either late last week or early. This week has opened up. It was actually Friday. I remember it was. I think it was Thursday show last week. We talked about what she was planning on doing it. At that point she was planning on opening up her salon on Friday morning which she did. And there was video footage of the fire. Bureaucrats coming out and citing her For opening her business so she was immediately given a citation. There has since been an order from a judge That has come down on her and she is going to stand strong. She's going to continue running her business and she's got some things to say about it and I want to share that with you. It's a nobody in the studio here but if you want to join us the toll free number is eight hundred fifty five four fifty free specifically what I'd like to hear from you and of course you can bring up anything you want but is there a business owner like this in your area. Who's not getting attention who the media is ignoring? The story is is somebody has. They reopened their doors and our people coming into their business and they haven't been shut down or maybe they have been targeted and they have gotten attention. I would love to hear more stories about business. Owners that are like. Shelly Luther from Salon Alamo D- in the city of Dallas. She's she is a hero in this case. Yeah well I mean we I I feel. I've got a spiritual duty to keep doing what I do and surely No. I'm I'm glad that I'm not in a state. That's that's really enforcing a shutdown. Because I would probably be in jail instead. Yeah that's a great point because There have been people who've been arrested for instance in Texas. I think it was Laredo. Texas to win and were busted in undercover sting operation. I care about this for doing manicures. Stupid for doing manicures and doing like eyelashes for somebody. The responded to their Their advertisements on facebook or whatever other social media it was set up an appointment and then came in and arrested these women when they offered to do the thing that was you know. They were told they're not allowed to do which is give people manicures. I'll tell you as a former drug dealer you know I'm used to operating in the black market and and there is some danger to it. You know if they operating in the in the In the black market Beth thing to do is start like a telegram group For your for your town okay so that you can get to news. The word out to people and how to avoid snitch is being in the telegram group. That's going to happen. Well basically you would have to vet people. It's like it's like selling what you can. Yes it slows your growth. Yeah but you don't have to grow explosively if you want to build a network and a market you have to be careful to who you who you let into it and if you make it just open to anybody then it will lose. Its its usefulness. Yeah I mean I mean you could certainly do some level of vetting. I guess if you have total control over WHO's coming into the group and it's not a group that just anybody can add people into then you may be able to set up some sort of assistance to try to keep the stitches out. But that's what got these women busted. His people snitch them out and then the police targeted them for undercover sting operations. And the other thing is if you're if you're tracking the sort of thing and if you're serious about operating in the black market you keep a careful eye on who's a snitch. Who SELLING OUT Who selling out their friends and the early no well. You can find out like one of the things that that I did is. I went to trial and as a result of going to trial. This person had to testify against me with black bag over their head. No they were not permitted to and as a result of which anybody. I'd anybody questions whether this person is a snitch. It's like oh the video is on Youtube. That's undeniable. Yeah that's a guide professionals don't tolerate snatches right But you had to do something that was unfortunately an unusual thing which is go to trial and so many people will not do it. They will take the plea deal. They want the charges to go away and then the snitch goes completely anonymously into the night in only only snitch. Again somebody else. Well you know one thing that would really help with that would be some sort of mutual aid system for people who for Aga- rests where basically an aggressive somebody who operates without government permission basically does business. Yeah Yeah Somebody. Who DOES ANY BUSINESS? It doesn't have to be a basically illegal business. You know if you're in if you're letting couples have a nice night out during your local quarantine by by selling them a nice meal in your living room. That's Agar is it isn't it has been. Agresson is not just anger but that has always been most cities and towns illegal So let me tell you what this lady had to say. Because she's inspiring She is daring the city of Dallas is. Cbs Dallas Fort Worth reporting and county authorities to arrest her after she opened her North Dallas Salon last week despite city county shelter in place orders. Luther told C. B. S. Eleven News. Defiantly quote follow the science the scientists. Texas needs to get back to work unquote. She says she was served. Another court order this week on top of the one thousand dollar citations. She received last week for refusing to close but luther refused to abide by the order. Saying that it La- saying later that nothing short of arrest will shut her salon down walking out to cheers from a crowd of supporters on Wednesday of the Open Texas movement. Luther was realistic about her situation. She told reporters quote. Apparently there's a very good chance that I'm getting arrested today. I will do everything I can to keep the shop open because I'm not closing the store. If they arrest me I have someone that will keep the store open because it's our right to keep the store open. It's our right for those women to earn income for their families. She said every business essential business because somebody's depending on it put food on the table absolutely and it's insulting to tell people that they are quote nonessential absolutely. What's nonessential is the government bureaucrat. That was the best line I love that. Vincent put that clip from from you and his video from Two weeks ago where you said like the bureaucrats are the only non essential service and they should shut down or something. Yeah and your speech very well. They're the only service that forces you at gunpoint to buy their product right. Yeah now you know you get pretty lazy when you can just force people do buy your product when you when they don't want it exactly. Lutherans continued defiance of Dallas County. Judge Clay Jenkins order closing what he deemed non-essential businesses has raised questions about whether or not he's overstepping his bounds. Luther said about the judge quote all I know is. He's abusing his power. He's got to be stopped somehow unquote. She insists or stylus are making much needed money for their families and the clients coming in are entering a safe clean environment. So she's gone above and beyond. Of course she's Got Masks. And and social distancing and. She's she's done all these things to you know portray the the idea that she cares an. She's being Super Safe. And all that but it doesn't matter to these bureaucrats. They are going to come down on her. Like a ton of bricks if they can and so far The threats are out there now. The question is has she been arrested yet? This story was from yesterday and I did get an update from Eric. Who's one of our listeners? Who IS IN DALLAS? And he's pretty close to the situation. Apparently she says that local snitch is or Eric says that local switches have been calling about her being open the owner. Shelly ripped up the citation at an open Texas rally now which is awesome and she has raised over twelve thousand dollars to help pay legal bills in this particular case or pay bail if necessary. Nice I'm going to be sure to sender one hundred bucks and cryptocurrency all. That'd be sweet to educate get a haircut. I'm not saying you need one but I do. Actually I'm getting shaggy and caring of these days. I'd like to not know where to get a haircut. Hey if you're in New Hampshire and you WANNA cut nobody's hair. Nobody can give you trouble for that. I heard that There are underground haircutters operating in Grafton and Manchester. I write well. Somebody send one my way all right fifty five. Four fifty three is the toll free line. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Do you know a business owner like this salon. Owner that standing up to the government. I want to hear about it. Gold has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure. 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Well well well. I'm sure they would call it a right. But it's the defense production. Act You familiar with this. Not Not in detail as I understand it. This is like one of those wartime acts where the government can say. You must do this in service of the United States government for the good of all humanity because we say so see. You shouldn't give your government powers during wartime. They don't have when it's not were time because it's very easy for them to just make sure it's always Wertheim. You can call anything the war actually. According to the story here the Defense Production Act of nineteen fifty was enacted and a response to the start of the Korean. War was part of a broad civil defense and war mobilization efforts the act has three major sections the first authorizes the president to require businesses to accept and prioritize contracts for materials deemed necessary for national defense. So you have to accept contracts from the Federal Government. According to this yes see. That's the thing is the federal government is putting things to their least important uses. They're wasting most of it fighting wars and building armies he anna. We need our wealth to pay for food and Housing and clothing and real education. Not What you get in the school law right and you would need your business. In order to create wealth for yourself. He's basically or the government coons are essentially saying they can use this. These words written on paper to tell you what business you have to accept. Even if according to the story here this is where we can pedia summary of the act irregardless of a loss that has occurred on the business so the government can not only tell you that you have to accept their contract for whatever product that they want to demand that you make but that you also have to do it at a loss if necessary yet. That's exactly what What they were talking about earlier in the show with. That's how Hitler operating. Yeah no he would bleed a business dry sometimes Just irrationally and it's no way to run an academy no and it is going to destroy any business that has to produce something at a at a loss. That's not the way business works but government doesn't care about that care about they don't care about your business didn't care about the things that matter to you. They have a bunch of guns and they're willing to use them. Here's what else the law does. That allows the president to designate materials to be prohibited from hoarding or price-gouging which of course the government arbitrarily deciding what something is worth and we've talked a lot about price gouging over the years during certain natural disasters and how people should be free to set prices. Whatever they want. And let's see what's the third points. The Oh that was the first section any person who performs any act prohibited or willfully fails to perform any act required by the Defense Production Act may be charged with a felony that results in a fine of up to ten thousand dollars or imprisonment up to one year or both the Second Section authorizes the president to establish mechanisms to allocate materials and sound like penalties for a felony. That sounds like a misdemeanor. I think he got that wrong. Maybe it is just wikipedia. The Second Section authorizes the president established mechanisms to allocate materials services and facilities to promote national defense and the third so that centralized control of an economy. The third section authorizes the president to control the civilian economy so that scarce in critical materials necessary to the national defense effort are available for defense needs so basically gives them first order of preference on any business and can tell them tell businesses to do whatever it is they wanted to so that brings us to today where the news was reporting that trump is planning to order meat processing plants to remain open as the nation confronts growing food supply disruptions from the corona virus outbreak. Said a person familiar with the matter. Trump plans to use the defense production. Act which we just described to order the companies to stay open as critical infrastructure and the government will provide additional protective gear for employees as well as guidance. According to the person who was saying this now again this is. I don't know if the order has actually been issued. So this is one of those speculative news articles that saying this is going to happen. The order sets the stage for a showdown between America's meet giants which have been pressing to reopen plants and some local officials and labor unions move called for closures to prevent the virus from spreading. Yeah and it's interesting to hear the government is doing the wrong thing for I mean it's the same justification but they're on the totally opposite side where these people don't want to work and the government wants to force them to well and can they force the individuals to work now. It's one thing for them to tell I mean they can do whatever they want right but I mean. Has It ever come to the point where government you know? President has ordered some business to operate or to do business with the federal government and the workers. Say we don't want to. Are they then going to come? In and arrest all of the staff members and charge them with felonies or is it only the business owner who is liable to obey the government's edicts in this case? Yes it's a good. It's a good question because you know traditionally you can't. You can't jail a guy for not wanting to go to work. Well maybe they hand. The question is Is that going to actually occur? What will happen in these Anything we've got the guns in the Jackboot right. They can do a lot. But there's only so much you can do to force a person to actually leave their home. You know put clothes on. Leave their house drive to work. Go in you know go into. There's a lot of steps involved in in getting somebody to go to work. Who Doesn't want to be there and then you got to force them to what be efficient. That's going to be difficult. Yeah I mean I've just be standing there all day chewing people out like okay. I'll get paid for this right. Thank you I'm packing one. 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There's footage it's actually the same time. The Patriot awakening was was going on here. It was going on in in England as well to some extent. They that's where the A lot of the sovereign citizen comes from is what happened to this judge. I don't know that wasn't in the Youtube. Does the video actually show the judge getting arrested? It they're storming the courthouse. Wow I had heard about. They're not armed. There's just great gangs of them. Amazing well a large number of people can do a whole lot as we saw today in Michigan where the police were completely unable to do anything about these protesters coming into the State House. Dozens of them armed up big time Very very interesting stuff. Let's go to your phone calls and thoughts though we got. Watch it burn. He's on our discord Colin Lines. Calling from Ohio. You're on free talk live. Yeah I've been. I've been listening to you guys this evening and even the past couple of stuff speaking about Cova nineteen krona virus. Honestly one thing. I'd like to comment on briefly. You're talking about the fact that the United States government is trying to make meet manufacturers Stay in business for them. And not only that. I believe you heard about the fact directly contrary to the thirteenth amendment. Yeah and I bet you also heard about how. The president ordered G. M. TO START Making ventilators probably didn't want to do that Honestly as a big fan of labor strikes in the like that I honestly if I were GM or any of these meat producers fresh marker sugar. Dale I would say no I would just say we're not going to do a darn thing for you at all and make them bring them up on criminal charges and throw felonies at them and see if they'll actually call essentially try to call their bluff. Hopefully that you're playing. Well the thing is if there are thousands of people doing a thing. They don't have the lawyer time to charge them all. But that's where the system breaks. That's also why they target the the people on top just like when the four twenties were happening here that you were involved in I was involved in they targeted you because they perceive you to be the person who was in charge and Evan who is also perceived to be a leader of that particular event. They thought that if they went after the two people they considered to be in charge that it would stop things. They were wrong because the people who are out there continued to go out there. Yeah continued to support you regardless of the legal status that you happen to hold them. That's the Nice thing about about a poly centric movement is. You can't just target one guy at a time at the top because there isn't a guy at the top but there is at the Tyson foods. There is General Motors exactly and once you concentrate the power. That's that's where everybody looks for. Victims is where the where the power is the CNN businesses reporting on the response. We'd earlier that trump was planning now again. I don't know if the order has been issued the stories two days old at this point But the story two days ago is that trump was planning on issuing this order to mandate that these meat companies continue to operate not that they make meat for the government but that they simply continue to do what they were doing before under the defense whatever the hell was act meat processing plant workers according to CNN. Business concern about trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the corona virus pandemic meat plant. Employees are among America's most vulnerable workers in some say. They expect that their staff will refuse to come to work Donald who works at Tyson's Waterloo Iowa facility. But it's only going by his first name because he's obviously worried about being targeted. He says all I know is this is crazy to me because I can't see all these people going back into work and I don't think people are going to go back in there. He said that he's currently recovering after himself. Testing positive for the virus he said. I'm still trying to recovering from testing positive. What did he hang attack? I don't know I I mean a lot of people who have this virus aren't showing symptoms so that doesn't just because you tested positive doesn't mean you're actually suffering go ahead. I was going to say the swab. Actually Does go pretty deep. So who knows? I'm assuming what they're referring to. Is he got sick from covert nineteen his since recovered. That's but it is CNN. So you can't really. It's just interesting that it was after testing positive for it not after experiencing disease. Then it makes me think he was an aide symptomatic carrier. Yeah I would agree with which is more common than people are. Which is more common than people are giving it credit? It's very common quote. I'm still trying to figure it out. What's he going to do? Force them to stay open force people to go to work. The employee as CNN spoke to several employees Tyson meatpacking plants. Do not want to be named for fear of losing their jobs on Tuesday trump. Signed the order. Okay so he did sign it. That's that would have been two days ago. And then according to this I would have to quit. And my and my my response would be to quote Frederick Douglass who wrote to his former so called master and said when I left you I took only what belonged to me And in no way reduced your means to make an honest living. Well what other kinds are you WANNA share? Watch it burn. Go ahead when it when it when it comes to the state's role in the corona virus. Right I'm sure like I live in one of the If you been paying attention to this you probably understand. I live in one of the states that took some of the hardest crackdowns early on on Kobe. Nineteen Governor Mike. Dewine has been absolutely ludicrous in his you know overstepping his bounds. Now that's not to say I don't think it's a smart idea to That that's not saying I think it's a dumb idea to socially distance or to wear a mask in public to stop spreading the virus. I think it's a very good idea. You stop other people from getting sick but the fact of the matter is the governor's greatly overstepping his bounds as far as this goes and You know he has caused a lot of people to lose their jobs now. Honestly some of these jobs I would say you could probably do without for a little while if you don't WanNa worse than a pandemic but he overstepped his bounds. What's worse is the state then started promising people. Oh it's okay. We'll just give you unemployment with there are people that filed in late. March instill haven't received a dime because the state is so inefficient yet with how they're handling this. I mean well the state's inefficient with how they handle everything. It's just now people get to find out how bad they are. Well Yeah and I. It's really it bothers me. In a way that people see that you know when they get hit in the pocket book when it directly affects them. That's when they start to see how the state how the state mishandles the problem is even though the state's GonNa Screw this crap up. They'RE GONNA they're not gonNA come to the conclusion that the state is bad or that. The state is inherently inefficient. They're just going to get more money. Thank you for the call tonight. They're just going to blame the current state. Oh if we would have just elected my governor then everything would have won. Just been great with the unemployment situation which is of course nonsense but a lot of people think that or coming up as sanitizer is not an option. It's now a must have but where you find it online. 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It's administation is dealing with the drug companies to effectively make cheap an effective drugs illegal in this country. Now what they're doing currently with Cova nineteen this hydroxy. Chloroquine is very very effective at treating cove in nineteen. We have now ten patients. My has prescribed hydroxy chloroquine on all of them. They're all doing excellent. You mean patients with Kovic specifically. It's yes it's like better suffering some sort of a man chosen by proxy on massive scale. They're just. They're deliberately making a thick so the government can make money off but the thing is there's something called off label prescribing so doctors are able to prescribe drug for you even though it may be shown to be prescribed for some other use. Another words hydroxy chloroquine. Right now is used widely for things like area right. Malaria is one of them. But otherwise there's Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis these. This is a very common drug and people all over. This country are using it right now today for those conditions. And they're doing just fine. The side effect that they're trying to scare everybody of is called Arrhythmia. Arrhythmia means you're going to have a different. You know your your heart rate will change. Well if you look at almost any drug prescribed in this country right now you will find under the conditions under the side effects. You will find Arrhythmia almost all of them and so what they're doing is they're taking the very very very very tiny chance that you might have. Arrhythmia and saying Oh my God. You can't use this drug for Kobe. Nineteen because you might get Arrhythmia on Dye. Well the chances of that are so tiny and the benefits are so great that it absolutely makes. So you're saying is. There's no patent on that drug and that makes all the world all the difference in the world. Why did they fight against marijuana cocaine heroin? Why didn't they just sell them to people? Well the reason is because they can't make a killing off because it's not patentable. It's medicine cheap and effective drugs are being driven are being basically made illegal so that the drug companies can prescribe. They're very expensive. Unique drugs that basically a lot of these drugs that they're introducing are almost exactly the same as the generic ones and they use the exact same mechanism but they change it just a little bit. So they can claim that this is their patent and then they forced They they deal with the government to make it illegal to buy the other drugs that are being widely used in Africa and Mexico and in Asia. But we can't get them here because the FDA says you can't now you could see some of the nation's you can fly the Mexico get your drugs and then come back and a lot of people are starting to do that now. They're wising off. That's part of the beauty of of the dark web. Is that like I can now get. Add medication without having to go and pay a doctor. Without having to I mean I used to pay my doctor one hundred and fifty bucks a month to tell me that. I still needed Ritalin. I knew I needed Ritalin. You know but basically I was paying him protection money and because I didn't because I was paying him protection money. The government didn't come and get me now in theory. You're saying you could get that medication on the dark web. Not that you are doing that. There would probably be some sort of criminal. Maybe I'm treating it with marijuana but maybe I'm not right right right okay. But what's currently Happening right now is currently my wife is getting all kinds of notices from the FDA cautioning against the use of hydroxy chloroquine for Kobe. Nineteen really know that it works. Even their. It's the product itself is legal to use it as you pointed out earlier gene. You said it was legal for a doctor to prescribe a what was it off. Label Off Label Label. Prescribing has always been legal but the FDA is sending out these notifications trying to scare dot. Wow into prescribing. That is because other drunk it. I'm sorry you both have the same time. Say Drug companies. Don't want it out there. Because it's cheap and effective. It's not patentable. It's a generic drug. Even though the drug companies themselves don't actually have anything specifically to address this. Yes currently accepting new inexpensive. The eighteen years of they get to rape people for well. Isn't there also something you think. There's also the factor if the FDA is saying hey doctors don't prescribe this thing that appears to be working to help people. There's nothing else that you could prescribe. The this is the thing you could prescribe A. We don't want you to do that. Doesn't that suggest they want more people to die to make this look like even a worse situation than it you know supposedly is that could be but let me let the blood let me advise people what they do if they go to their doctor and the doctor says well? I can give you this drug. It's off label. It's not for this by the but we have found that it's been working well for some patients if your doctor says that and then they have to also because the FDA now is cautioning about Arrhythmia they will have to caution. You about Arrhythmia. If your doctor cautions you about Arrhythmia for a drug that they say is effective. Look at the statistics before you turn turn that drug down because it's really going to be a very small amount of people that are going to get rid me and the benefits outweigh the risk. And that's what people need to look at. Thanks for your excellent scales is does not have our best interests at heart. Which is why shouldn't be trusted people in it who do. But when you think about it imagine how cold you would have to be to put these rules above people's lives Yeah now it's it's. It's really time for medical people to break away from from the establishment. But that's where the money. Yeah it's IT'S TRUE. You know if if there were a couple of non establishment medical schools out there it would be wonderful. The hippocratic oath even back in the day. Carried carried. A thing saying you won't teach anyone to to practice medicine except your children and the children of other physicians so they were always from the very beginning. That tradition of Mon- of Medicine was about keeping the knowledge in housekeeping it a cult and it still is a limited entrance club today that you have to get jump through the hoops that the AMA prescribes for people to become doctors and if they allow you to become a doctor because they may say well. We don't need any more doctors as though they know from some sort of centralized command and control situation. How many doctors is the right now? They did that in both the eighties and the nineties and governments forest medical schools to cut back production of doctors by about seventeen percent and as a result. That's why medical care is so expensive now. That and the stranglehold of Big Pharma and it's it's got to change. We've got to just START START IGNORING THAT. That system and you can get anything you need. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Are you somebody that works in the meat packing industry? How are people around you? Responding to this new order came apparently two days ago by Donald Trump ordering people in the business of the the plants in such continue operating. What's going to happen if people don't show up there talking about not showing up with. Will that mean you know there's going to be a big hiring Thing within the industry or how do you think it's going to all play out? 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Stan your news now continues at least ten thousand cars lined up in an orderly fashion in San Antonio Awful of hungry increasingly desperate people thousands of ride the night before just to get a chance to eat impressed. Reports at the scene playing out across the country. Thirteen hundred cars swamped the drive through Greater Pittsburgh. Food Bank. The United Center home to the Bulls and the Blackhawks has been transformed into a huge food warehouse as Cova. Nineteen has driven a wedge through the cracks in American society where tens of millions of people now face unemployment and hunger some acclaim at the Food. Line or a glimpse into what a future American socialist state would look like however the report from men Perez. New says this is not a hypothetical society but a very real present existing food banks are struggling to cope one worker of food bank in Baton Rouge Louisiana claim that the current situation is worse than after Hurricane Katrina. These state of North Carolina is one of the least effected states in the country with regard to the current Cova nineteen outbreak with just over five thousand confirmed cases and only one hundred eight deaths related to the virus. Many citizens are growing wary of the state's lockdown order and are demanding things to go back to normal activist post reports on Tuesday more than one hundred protesters took to the city streets of Raleigh North Carolina voice their desire to reopen the state's economy. They were quickly met with police action but he will organize. Protesters stood their ground through multiple grants according to the news and Observer. The protest was organized by reopened. Nc A private facebook group organized last week that wants people to make their own stay at home. Decisions to avoid exposure to nineteen as the worldwide pandemic continues. The groups are passed. 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Apparently there's now video option with discord. Because you know everybody's in a lot of people are being forced to stay at home so many business meetings and family gatherings are now happening over video so apparently discords getting into that game now too. Yeah Big Tech is making a killing off cove it. Well I mean what they can make. People are probably not spending as much as they. Otherwise would because many people don't have significant income coming now while some people are collecting unemployment. As one of our callers pointed out earlier is not easy to get the unemployment from the state because they're deluged with a ton of applications and of course they're the state so they suck at everything they do. And so they're not moving fast through those applications. I heard that in Florida the websites been crashing where people have been trying to apply for this so for some people there. Fulltime job is now trying to get unemployment. Wow that's what I've heard so awful. 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It's like Go pause how you pronounce it. Go Paul Paul. Yeah there you go. Paul McCartney good so we'll talk about tonight go zone Paul. No like so many other people out here stuck in machine. I have aspirations to have in my tag here my handle but I am a corporate pawn. You know right now just keeping my head down and go into my Uncle Sam job you know but at least I have plans of moving. At least I know at the Free State project is and I have my plan to move to New Hampshire and I've been a vendor address daily once but I just wanted to. I was just wanted to chime in from a yoga perspective. Who would just caution against So and no means strictness or any perfect preacher of of any any sense I just wanted to say was From a eastern philosophy they would they would caution against eating meat and voting in general because these things are just waste of time and not considered to be in the mode of goodness. Well I don't know I mean if more than half the people were coming out. And he's vetting the for for Ron Paul. That would send a very powerful message. I met Ron Paul in two thousand eight when he had his gathering in. Dc HALF is signed flagging my room here day. You know nobody. Did you hear the news that just in a mosh is now thrown in his hat into the Libertarian Party presidential? Oh He's made it official. Yeah interesting happened yesterday. C. I definitely not Motley Caucus material but but I mean I I I like she's got a Bno. It's is inter interesting to see if we go a mosher vermin. Yeah I'm I'm still for vermin go vermin supreme all the way. So what else did you want to say today by the way? How would you describe what an algorithm is? An Algorithm is just somebody that does a consensual profits. Not all prophets are back. It's consensual voluntary profits without any taxation from the state without any connection to the state. So are you doing algorithmic? Do you have a side hustle? I do have some algorithms activities that I do that. I don't feel like I'm at liberty to just give out on the radio makes sense makes I and I've always had those and I've always done them in a piece. Cool anything else you WANNA share tonight. Well I just wish I could see guys out there at work best. This time you know maybe a little bit. I don't know Free Talk Live is going to be at the Porcupine Freedom Festival. We haven't been there for a few years several years without A. Why is that? But we're going to be at fork fest. Which IS THE DECENTRALIZED ALTERNATIVE FESTIVAL? That is going to be happening. June twenty ninth until July fifth and that is going to be the place where lots of the cool folks are going to be hanging out because there's no one who's in charge if you like algorithmic than this is truly the agress festival because you don't have to ask permission to set up shop. Yeah this is why I didn't I didn't know pork. Festival is uncool at this. It's not I mean I go along. I stay for both weeks. We have it on on. Jas of links and I enjoy both experiences. It's just pork fast. Feels a little more. Men are kissed and fork. Fest feels a little more an or porcupine. Freedom Festival is rare. It's centrally planned. I mean they they have this thing. You mentioned it. It's Agra Alley which came about. Its Own Volition. It kind of was created naturally. And Are you taking a Toke? They're just curious. I hear noises. Sorry I can see nobody. Vaping on the discord our ears louder sway larger than his ripping it anyway What happened at the Porcupine Freedom Festival? Unfortunately was this thing called Agra valley or alley or whatever it was called Came about naturally because that's where people were setting up shop because it was kind of like the path where everybody was walking down to get to the pavilion where all the the The events happening and so it became this sort of desirable real estate and people. Would you know the they'd sign up for that? Real estate was a year in advance. As soon as the worker pine free investable was over. They would lock in their campsite for next year because it was really good real estate and eventually the Free State project organizers. Got The idea of well. We should monetize this and so they went ahead. And they've bought up all of that bill estate and then resold it to the people that to defend their and then they came with a bunch of rules and that came with higher prices. Your after your wows increased the the benefits decrease that like it used to be. You'd get four passes to the event and they cut that down to two passes and I think they cut it again or something like that and so it really turned off a lot of people and I actually had the pleasure of attending the Porcupine Freedom Festival in two thousand nineteen for the first time in several years and I enjoyed it. You know still a good event. It's just they hadn't learned their lesson. The organizers hadn't figured out that they should just let this thing go and the marketplace actually punish them for it because not only has the porcupine freedom festival had a tough time getting as many attendees as it did say six or seven years ago but also the vendors evacuated from Agra Valley. This time there were almost no. I've heard it called both I called Agra Valley and someone or a alley and some corrected me the valley and it's been critical with with but either way that play grateful dead shows. We call it a shakedown street. Yeah what in this case was there? I was okay but in this case it was empty. There were literally two vendors that showed up shake on shakedown street. Not last year. Be The hard Italian town. Outta poke around work though. No one was buying these spaces and what the marketplace did was. They created their own alley. They created something called where it's at which was a few few of the The streets down select these little streets with RV Park area and so a few streets down was out of the valley. Then they had this big area where all the vendors were set up. They didn't have to pay any extra. They just rented the campsite and set up. Because they control you idea of people gathering together and trading. I mean that's a lot older than any organization. We're involved so yeah. Unfortunately the porcupine freedom festival is sort of lost its way a little bit over all the years but that's one of the reasons why forecast came about three years ago and this'll be the fourth year for fork fest. You can go to fork FEST DOT party. That's F. O. R. K. Fort like forking off from fork fast DOT party June. Two thousand nine through July Fifth Register. Now hopefully we'll see you there and thanks for the call more coming up. Gold has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure. 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You've got more choices when the lockdowns es and they're complaining about that. Yeah well I'll tell you what if you don't if you don't WanNa make choices pick some just pick somebody and follow. Whatever they do to me probably not. I'm not I should not be your role model right okay. So don't worry about what I'm doing. Just find somebody to tell you. Tell you what to do. There are people out there that would love to tell you what to do. I might tell you what to do. Many of them are already in politics. So here's the story things. Were so much clearer. This is purportedly news from the AP. Right it reads like an opinion piece though now with states. Excuse me things were solved. The news reads like union pieces today. Things were so much clearer when just about everything was locked down now. With states lifting corona virus restrictions piecemeal and by off an arbitrary timetables. Well was also arbitrary. How they shut it down Americans are facing will during decisions about what they should and should not do to protect their health their livelihoods and their neighbors. Mike God it's just like how things were when they had to make decisions before you know two ago when they were free over. Yeah exactly is it. Is it safe to join the crowds at the beach or eat at a restaurant to visit the elderly parents? You haven't seen nearly two months. Is there no risk and hiding in your house? Have you no fear of stagnation of boredom missing the opportunities that you might have had have fear in the bathtub? I mean most accidents happen at home. Anyway it's true. It's true to reopen a struggling business. In many cases the less than satisfying answer from the experts is it depends Josh Santaromita a microbiology expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center who studying viruses quote. There will never be a perfect amount of protection. It's a personal risk assessment. Everybody has to decide person by person. What risk they're willing to tolerate. Well I wish somebody would have listened to this guy two months ago because that's the way life has always been where you have to decide. How much risk you WanNa take and for those? That don't want to take much risk. They're going to have a relatively boring uneventful life because they'll be hiding in the house by themselves. That's no place to be. If maybe you WANNA fall in love or at least get laid someday or go visit your elderly grandparents. That might be in a home or something like that. Or maybe what? Maybe one of them's actually in the hospital dying. Because you can't do that you can't go to the hospital. Visit somebody now because of this ridiculous. 'cause they're dancing in the hallways of the hospitals making videos. Yeah they apparently they've even though I've never heard of an epidemic where all the doctors and nurses went on vacation because there is nothing for them to do you know they're all geared up for the pandemic that never came right. That's because in my opinion. This isn't an epidemic. I mean if it is an epidemic in the same senators of flu epidemic every year. And it's probably bad is in comparison with flu epidemics but the numbers are bad. And it's the way it's going to be a disaster if all of these businesses shut down run out of money and just don't exist anymore. That's a lot of people who don't have a livelihood anymore and is the government going to take care of them. Know the government's GonNa give them twelve hundred dollars and then stick with an eight thousand dollar. Bill WILL THE GOVERNMENT'S THE REAL EPIDEMIC. Because they are actually affecting people's lives in a huge way though they kill a lot of people. I mean it's hard to really understand people in the chat room throw a tizzy fit some of them. When I say this but I don't you know if you don't know anybody that's died from Kovic nineteen then. It's not really a serious problem if you don't know anybody who's been hospitalized by cove at nineteen then it's not really a serious problem and the term pandemic suggests that this is a problem. Okay it's thrown out there as those is a huge issue and it really doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. I mean facebook should be a wash in memorials if there was a serious if there is a real epidemic going on and and all. I'm seeing seeing all kinds of people talk about the epidemic. But not but. He's saying that they're getting sick. Nobody's saying that their friends are getting sick. In great numbers. People will know like one person who who got sick from it but that's I mean it's it's not bring out your dead you know. This is not the black plague we're dealing with here. It's it's all right let's call. Let's call the common cold a pandemic you know it's one that's imminent very widespread. It's eminently survivable so nobody calls it a pandemic because it's not as scary right like no one's afraid of the common cold for the most part. It's very unlikely that you're going to perish from the common cold but it sure as hell is widespread every single year so it meets the definition of pandemic and arguably if this thing is as widespread as some are saying some are saying the numbers are much larger of the people that actually have this compared to what the government has tested in which case it may meet the definition pandemic. But it's not a deadly one. It's it's the most infectious case of Ma'am Chazan by proxy. That has ever been conceived by the by the by the minds of men and Munchausen by proxy Manchester Syndrome. Were you harm yourself in order to get attention? Because you're sick or you're hurt. Okay Ma'am Thousand by proxy when you harm someone else to get attention and that seems to be what the government is going on. It's make everybody sick in their freaking head and then profiting from that disease because that focuses all the attention on the government could suddenly. They're the only game in town. They're the only people doing anything so the article at the AP continues on talking about the death tolls and and then gets back into the The question of why you do. How do you make choices? Jill fast of council bluffs Iowa said she would hesitate to eat in an indoor restaurant when such businesses are allowed to reopen in her community. On Friday. Who hesitated way baby will enjoy the The lack of crowds quote. We will tip extra. We would have to know ahead of time. What precautions they're taking. She said citing the way. 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Because you can't file in New Hampshire until I think the first week or so in June but it's coming up So we're just over a month away from you becoming an official candidate for governor once you file the hundred dollars filing fee. Because that's all it takes to run as a Republican or Democrat here New Hampshire. We're still not sure what's going to happen with the Libertarian. Party in New Hampshire Libertarian. Party across the United States is going to have a very difficult twenty twenty campaign regardless of who it is whether it's Vermin Supreme Adam Co cash or now just in a mosh who ends up getting the nomination. There are more candidates than three. But Marsh is. He's just an image has the political clout to actually get on. T. On on TV. I sure but can on the ballot. That's the problem. That the Libertarian. Party is going to face this year. It's going to be harder than it's ever been for them to collect petition signatures right. Because people aren't leaving their homes so normally you would go to a busy place and get petition signatures but you can't now. And interestingly enough it's the government which is exclusively run by the major parties which has passed contradictory laws that require us in exchange for franchise to do things that other laws forbid us to do. So you know. It seems like that's their problem and they should eat it and put it up. Put us on the ballot. Well there are going to be lawsuits in. Believe some suits have already been filed about this. Some states sensing that have gone ahead and waved the Ballard requirement. So I'm told Jerry told me that Vermont has waived its ballot access requirements for third parties. But in other states. They're going to have to sue. And it's GonNa be more expensive in order to overturn some of this stuff and we'll see how it goes but for For nobody's campaign. It'll be relatively easy to get you on the ballot so check out elect nobody dot com for the latest from the elect. Nobody Campaign for governor here in New Hampshire. Let's go to Mike. He's in Gold Bar Washington. Then we'll talk more about these little scared chicken littles who are freaking out about having to make decisions again. Now that they might be allowed to go out of their houses Into the open air prison. Go ahead Mike. You're on free talk. Live pay you guys how you doing. Nobody wanted real quickly. I got two things. One is the. Va Hospital on how? I'm very becoming less proud of being a vet- but my friend his name was Glenn Boot when they're deregulated Gambling in Nebraska. He was the Mayor of Memphis Nebraska and he took his He was a bookie and he took it underground and he got busted any told me for years he was gonna run against the governor. I think this is the same. As Brock Obama got elected anyway. He wound up get on the ballot to run against the governor of Nebraska but because he had a felony I. I don't know the details but he called me up this drunk guy to go online and I'm wondering if you had any as if you were kind of doing the same thing head or if it's different for you I. I'm sorry I've lost the thread of I couldn't quite make out what you were saying. There you kind of lost packets toward the end of What you were saying. Something about felonies. Well my friend had gone bust in Nebraska for being he was a bookie and they deregulated gambling and he got arrested because he was still being a bookie he was also the Mayor of Memphis. Nebraska's name was blend boot. But he wound up getting on the ballot and OS seven To run against that was his life safe again deregulation. I just know that gambling was legal in Nebraska. At one time he was a horse guy and then it was not legal but he kept doing it and got arrested related his son slake radiation to me. Well YEAH IF THEY DEREGULATE. That means removing regulations. I can tell you experience. When when when they're put in prison they mean to regulators his what they mean to do well. That's true and I realized that now the VA hospital. So I'm an amputee diabetic and it's all my own fault because I was a huge overweight. Unfit person in this is what happened so I have to accept that but like a month and a half ago I had this terrible terrible infection in one of my three remaining toes on my only remaining foot and all these people that are on vacation because of this epidemic are actually GonNa probably cost me my other foot because after trying their antibiotics. That didn't actually work. They've liked disown me today. I got a call from an outside source that makes shoes for the. Va subcontractor saying. Oh you have an appointment with us in three weeks so now the toes like rotten and Knowing what I know from losing seven other toes show and probably the other two are on and it could actually be a foot and it's all because of this epidemic. There's nobody at the hospitals and hospitals empty so A lot of people just right and they're going and you know that's probably true. I'm starting to think someday I'll if it just saves one life. I mean you got to lose the towing or three foot but you know you you might have saved one life. You supposed to feel good about that. According to our master right so just starting to see. You're right about these people. The hospital since eighty seven there worth going. Hey well keep you on Brassica story sister and you hear about that. My thanks for the call. Good luck man. It's going to be fine Unfortunately if you lose a limb and you're a diabetic you lose the other limits better. But they've kind of like that process is what's happened thank you appreciate it. Good luck to you bro. Wow this is going to. He's let's continue here. This'll be good James in Phoenix Arizona. You're on free talk. Live go ahead. Grown ACROSS IS CHRONIC confirmation bias. Virus is nothing but a mass murder committed by lane choosing by proxy by government. Which come with that? Being Administered Freeman. Switch nobody Paul. He doesn't WanNa talk to you so I guess that's the end of that fifty five four fifty freeze asking you questions. I can't answer them so removing on eight five five four five zero three seven three three so chill fast in council bluffs Iowa according to the AP story about people freaking out because now they have to make decisions again in their lives. They're no longer being kept completely in their homes now. They have to choose whether or not they want to stay in their homes. According to this I mean people go to work fishing for lobsters. That's like the most profession or most dangerous profession in the world was roofing. No Alaskan crab boats and lobster boats. Actually you know you go into water your Garner Alaska sure. Yeah No. That's not a good place to fall overboard. But what you're saying is people make risky decisions regularly. It's also a highly risky thing simply to drive to work. Even if you have the safest job in the world. It is incredibly risky. Just try to get there being being a soldier as risky being a gangster is risky. There's lapse of risky things that people do for money. That's the way of the world. According to the story here Savannah Mayor Van. Johnson said people could find the changes perplexing quote in reality. I think will understand sweetheart in reality. We're under a stay at home. Order until April thirtieth yet you can go get your nails done. You can go get a tattoo. You can go to movie theaters. Yeah I'll tell you what you can go do baby. You can hear and needs to go home care in its drunk. You can go to bowling alleys. He's kind of things that leave people. Confused said the mayor mixed messages are coming even from US Congress the House scrambling having the whole establishment. Lying to us is what has the has US confused the houses scrambling for ways to for members to work from home after a revolt over convening during the pandemic and said they wouldn't return to the capital on Monday the smaller Senate however does plan to convene the decisions people are people are likely to vary wildly depending on where they live and how close that puts them to known virus. Clusters it Georgia where Cova nineteen has a good? I can see a church by daily. Killing at least a thousand. Many new cases are still being reported but in even in places with fewer known infections people are facing uneasy choices. We'll talk more about it coming up here. You can share your thoughts. 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Mark has set up an appointment for a long delayed haircut though. He does say quote. I think we're four weeks too early. He says of the plans to lift restrictions. But I think I'll probably still go because we've been stuck at home for seven weeks and we're going stir crazy unquote with warmer weather. Enticing more people to venture out in the weeks ahead it will be up to individuals to exercise caution so let's just stating the obvious here as though it's yes it's always kind of been up to you because the government might show up and you know beat you with sticks but they're not gonna You. Ca- This is Mary. Elizabeth Sector Rally Rather Mary Beth SEXTON DOCTOR OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS AT school in Mattis of medicine. She says you can't swear that if somebody happens to cough on the beach chair to your left and then you have a breeze that blows that over across you that you don't have the exposure in that way. She says yeah the exposure. I see. I'm not I don't care about the exposure exposure for ninety eight point five percent of people or or something is going to munity from the thing now because that's how you get immune to viruses get exposure to them you get exposed to them in some people die and Dad said some people die. I mean that's Free Day. Some people die and that really just comes back to something that I think that you know I think bears repeating in that life is of risk and this is not any more risky than any other virus that we've experienced in our lifetimes. There have been much more dangerous diseases and viruses such that have that have hit the population of the world. In the past this pales in comparison to it and nothing in in the past in our lifetimes has ever precipitated the sort of a crackdown. This economic disaster. That has come from this and it has been absolutely unprecedented and completely destructive of so many more lives than would have been affected by the virus alone. I mean the the cure is definitely worse than the disease. And it's not even a cure because all it's doing is putting off some people getting this virus. That's all it's just it's delaying. What is probably the inevitable for them? Because the sooner you're probably going to leave your house some point whether it's next week or ten weeks from now you're probably going to leave your house unless you decide you want to spend the rest of your life in between those walls and that means the more you're out and about the more likely you're going to encounter somebody with the corona virus and contracted for yourself so you're just putting off the inevitable. What was the point? Even following guidelines to maintain a six foot distance may not be enough says the AP that rules based on how far a different corona virus SARS spread among airline passengers when doctors treated more than a dozen cope in nineteen patients in Omaha Hospital. Researchers found genetic material from the virus at greater distances on window ledges cell phones in hallways and on toilet seats said Santarpia. That doesn't mean people shouldn't go out but they should be very deliberate and doing so limiting visits with relatives and friends to moments. That matter said Dr Emily Landon who leads infection control at Chicago's Medical Center. Mother's Day which is may tenth in the United States may qualify. If mom lives nearby she said but limit the people involved and wear masks the entire time she says even if you check to make sure everyone present has been feeling well except that there will be risk so just a constant fear mongering from these people just to try to keep people in a state of fear is just so disturbing to me but yet that's literally the world that were coming back into that that is not going to their they keep talking about how there's a new normal that it's not going to be the way it was the talking about having people in restaurants having wearing masks and giving out disposable menus and just this whole rigmarole all of it is just for show right because even as they're pointing out here they find the virus goes further than the six foot. And all it's all just for show it's all to make people feel like. Oh well they're doing something see they care? And it's not to say that business owners don't care it's justed you gotta take risks in order to enjoy your life. I don't understand why people think life is going to be enjoyable without risk. They don't get it. Yeah it's IT'S CAIRNS madness. I whole world of Karen Karen's and the disease. That's the real virus. Well the diseases at the Cairns with guns And that's just terrifying not directly to the armed. But they've got a you know gangs of amoral suggs. That will go out and caring. You did death for them. Let's go to Dave. He's in Jackson Michigan. Listening BELIEVED THERE'LL BE K. Jim Go ahead Dave Tonight. Dave. What's on your mind. Life is good or to Gretchen here. In Michigan Chewy are expanded. There's still at home where she's trying to get your emergency orders. Which are Going to expire tomorrow At midnight she's trying to get those extended ten twenty eight People run out there and Neither van The Senate Majority Bentham the House and the Senate After found food I. It's a mess. Yeah we covered that earlier. Your phones a little hard to understand a little muffled but we did cover it earlier. The show tonight the massive protest People not the one with the where they were all in the streets a couple of weeks ago she was that was fine but people weren't getting out of their cars much two weeks ago. This time they got out of their cars. They went to the state capital in in Michigan and they went inside the Capitol building and they had guns and they were they and rightfully. So we're making headlines as a result of that The State Senate or whatever house. They have their did to apparently file a lawsuit against the governor challenging her so-called Executive Authority. So things are getting pretty interesting there in Michigan. Dave sounds like you support. This are yeah. Yeah buffets that Shashank break call. Thank you dave. I appreciate hearing from you. Get busy living or get busy dying. Yep Everything is risk right. Everything is always a risk. You know you you may miss the opportunity of a lifetime because you're out getting a taste burger or because you stayed home Because somebody told you to when your common sense is saying where is the epidemic where I mean where the bodies were the grieving relatives are? There are some dead people. I mean there are some. Yeah but you know. Forty thousand in a nation of sixty thousand now is at sixty yeah allegedly but then again hundred empty million people but even the numbers are inclination. It's a fraction of fraction of a percent. And that's if you accept that number and you don't realize that they're just totally ballooning up the numbers in order to scare more people into compliance and scare more people into total obedience. Chalking up deaths. That probably didn't come directly from Kobe to cove it There's all kinds of questions around these numbers. It's the most ludicrous shakedown. I think that that that I've ever seen horrifying. It's shameless. It's horrifying. It is the largest expansion of authoritarianism that I've seen in my lifetime. It's worse than nine eleven. It's way we're basically whenever they cause a depression okay. The their banker friends have a chance to get rid of all that cash by buying up all of your goods including real estate when you end up homeless you know. That's what they did in the housing crash you now. And that's what they're what what they're gonNA do again because they've put so many people out of work that there is there has to be a wave of homelessness on top of that unless they're gonNA stop protect collecting property tax all right so There's obviously lots more to talk about here. But we'RE NOT GONNA have time to get into anymore tonight. We've got more coming up tomorrow. The Marianas edition of free. Talk Live is Mar. We're going to do an after show tomorrow night. Yeah Okay so ten thirty eastern time you can join us on our D. Live at Eli dot dot. Fm and twitched on L. R. N. 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Your News now continues at least ten thousand cars lined up in an orderly fashion and San Antonio all full of hungry increasingly desperate people thousands of ride the night before just to get a chance to eat. Mint Press news reports at the scene playing out across the country. Thirteen hundred swamped the drive through Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank. The United Center home to the Scotto Bulls and the Blackhawks has been transformed into a huge food warehouse as Cova. Nineteen has driven a wedge through the cracks in American society where tens of millions of people now face unemployment and hunger some claim at the food lines or a glimpse into what a future American socialist state would look like however the report from men pres- news says this is not a hypothetical society but very real present existing food. Banks are struggling to cope one worker foodbank Baton Rouge Louisiana claim at the current situation is worse than after Hurricane Katrina. These of North Carolina is one of the least affected states in the country with regard to the current cove nineteen outbreak which just over five thousand confirmed cases in only one hundred and eight deaths related to the virus. Many citizens are growing wary of the state locked down order and are demanding things to go back to normal activist post reports on Tuesday more than one hundred protesters took to the city streets of Raleigh North Carolina to voice their desire to reopen the state's economy. They were quickly met with police action but he will organize. Protesters stood their ground through multiple threats according to the news and observer the protest was organized by reopened. Nc A private facebook group organized last week that wants people to make their own stay at home. Decisions to avoid exposure to Cova nineteen as the worldwide pandemic continues. The groups are passed. 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Call eight three three two eight seven three four three five or visit. Getldi FILTER DOT COM. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar. John Ryan joins us on Sports. Byline I've known Joan for thirty five years. I met her but she was a columnist for the San Francisco. Examiner and chronicle covering sports. And she's now a media consultant for the giants and Joan is also an award winning writer. Twenty five years ago. She wrote an insightful. Powerful book called little girls in pretty boxes the making and breaking of elite gymnasts and figure skaters. And we're GONNA talk about that book a little bit later on. But she's now followed that up with another outstanding book about a much debated and little understood aspect of life in sports. It's called intangibles unlocking the science and soul of Team Chemistry Joan. What was the spark that led you on this ten year? March in writing this book on intangibles and Team Chemistry. I know it's almost embarrassing to say that it took me ten years. I did write another book. And in the middle of that but You know running really started when I went to the reunion of the twentieth reunion of the San Francisco giants Nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine world series team and that when I had you know was recently arrived in San Francisco from Florida. We never had any baseball teams in Florida and so I was just really taken by the late eighties giants team because it shouldn't have worked. I mean they had action in that. And you know they had the The carousers and you know what we call the gods gliders you know the really strict Christianson southern whites and African Americans and Latinos from three or four different countries. And you know old guys young guys and and you just look at it. Look like dumpster or you know guys should have worked and of course it did and so twenty years later I You know I'm walking the tens of the big reunion Outside of of what was then. I don't know whether Packbell was. At and T. A. Can't remember can't keep track that but anyway I'm looking through. You know walking through and listening to conversations catching up with those guys and You could see it in their eyes. You could hear it in their voices. Those guys still love each other and they talked about team chemistry and and so on the way home that day I just started to think about team chemistry and realizing that I have no idea what it was. I had never really thought about what it was. And so I was intrigued by that and by that eighty nine teen and I started doing some research and one thing more fascinating than the other and I was and I wondered I said well it really exists and if it exists what is it and then. How did it affect performance because of its seven affects performance? Why even talk about it and that led me to evolutionary biology and neuroscience and you know all of the human nature human physiology that really is the foundation of team chemistry. You know it was so fascinating that I just kept researching it and finally I was like I gotta get this book out. I gotTA finish. I gotta write it and And get it out and it my pub gatewood yesterday Ron. It was very exciting. Let me ask you a little bit. Joan about Approaching a subject like this. Because it's not something you can naturally see. It doesn't have a finality to it in a sense that it's physical. So how did you approach this subject? And what was the most challenging part of you writing on this? Well it's exactly as you say. Ron You know you can't see it. You know you can't measure it and God knows a lot of people have tried and I made my own feeble attempt at it too and you know only to realize that that bad a you know a fool's errand it's like trying to quantify a thought or trying to quantify love you can't it doesn't mean it's not real and that's really the people you know a lot of analytics dies frankly to totally dismiss chemistry because it can't be quantified You think about well you know back in the day when we didn't know how lights traveled right. We couldn't measure it. It didn't mean it was real. It's just that we could measure it and hopefully some day. We'll be able to understand why as humans. We so profoundly influenced one another. Which is how team chemistry to be. You know we can change each other. There's not just moods and mindsets but we affect each other's heart rate and metabolism and all the rest of it but don't see it traveling from me to you and then to the next person the next person right but that doesn't mean it isn't traveling it is for picking up signals so you know some day when somebody is able to solve that somewhat of a mystery as they did with light and so many other invisible things that gravity you know that so profoundly affect our lives it will mean that finally chemistry is real. It just means that were able to measure it Joan every season you know this no matter what. The sport players coaches and managers. They're always asked to things. Where's the leadership on the team? Going to come from. And what about the chemistry on the team through your research and interviews? Can that now be explained definitively? Well I I have a definition now for pain chemistry and certainly as science evolves and and we know even more about the human brain. I mean we're never going to get completely our arms around the human break because it's just so phenomenally complex But my definition of team chemistry is. It's a the interplay of Biological Socialist psychological factors that result in an elevation of performance. Now obviously there's rings a means of Information and research Beneath all beneath all of that and as you say your ship is a huge part but what I found was that what is most important is not the leadership in the front office. Or even the manager's office but it's within the clubhouse itself and the military has done more studies on team chemistry than any entity and partly because you know armies from probably the beginning of time have understood that in order to perform well under almost unbearable stress out on the battlefield in their teams right. You have to fight for each other. They're not fighting for your general. You're not fighting even for God and country. The only way you can really perform at high level is the fight for each other and have team chemistry. And that's what happens on teams that have great chemistry that they have the leadership in there that that creates a culture that Benz the players toward each other and toward a share their shared purpose. And that's all matters and the the Golden State Warriors have this you know go to word rallying cry that is just and it's so important to them that it's on each one of the Their Championship rings and just that is a good chemistry. It's like we're with the exact people in the exact time on the exact question and it's just that are going to accomplish this. We only have ninety seconds before we have to break but having been in Iraq and Afghanistan with the troops and seeing them in pressure in combat situations. I will say one thing different when you talk about the military leadership in Chemistry and that is discipline. Did you find that to be an important part of this? No not at all I think because the military is is different and you know as we know team or even at an office discipline has so many different meanings so if we say discipline is make sure you're prepared. Make sure you're ready to play. But it was really I found is. It's that bonding. It's that devotion commitment to each other and commitment the people you don't even like right and you know we've seen those teams with. We have forty five seconds left and I'm just wondering. Is there anything that surprised you about your research in what you came up with? Oh Yeah I mean tons and tons of things and and one of them was that very bond was not a cancer in the club and he was he was gonNA be my poster boy for you. I have these super carriers of chemistry in the book. And he was going to be my lead super disrupt chemistry and it turns out he wasn't and for a variety of interesting reasons. He was not a a cancer that clubhouse we'll talk more about him in the next segment. We're talking with Joan Ryan. I urge you to check out this book. It's a wonderful read. I know it's a little bit comp complicated but we'll give you some answers to some questions you probably have had about leadership in chemistry and it's called intangibles unlocking the science and soul of the team chemistry and we are going to make a book of the month selection here on the sports byline. Usa Book Corner. We'll talk a little bit more about Barry Bonds and other players in the information she got from them as we continue across the country and around the world with you on sports byline. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But you have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or had a life experience that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you WANNA leave and autobiography for your family. Or maybe you've built a successful business and you want to share your story at Dorrance Publishing Company. 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It's called intangibles unlocking the science and soul of team chemistry. You mentioned about Barry Bonds. Let's talk about some of the people you talked to and what they give you the insights they give you Jim. Leyland is a very interesting guy and I'm sure he was probably pretty much straightforward with what he had to say about it. Well and he doesn't you know he started the conversation and he's been on record for years and years and years as not quote believing in team chemistry. You know he thinks it's a you know a bunch of Hogwash and And you know used very different words to describe the hot wash. Watch and you know. Just was a delight to talk to as he was chain smoking his Marlboros but by the end of the conversation he started to talk about how veteran leadership is so important a clubhouse and I and why and he said well you know they set a tone they can be they can enforce the way we do things. They convince her. The young guys and I said that sounds a lot like creating a culture for chemistry that off the field. They were helping each other. Get prepared psychologically and emotionally to do battle frankly and also to have the camaraderie to trust each other. Trust is just so important mentioned the military. I mean if you don't trust your leaders you don't trust each other you don't have anything and And so that's so important and that you know it makes me think of those scenes. You know the eighties in the Seventies Oakland A.'s. And The New York Yankees you know the twenty five players. Twenty five cavs team. They really really dislike each other. You know they come to blows yet. They could win championship after championship. And so you know I thought about it and get this question. It's like well how come they didn't need to ten sixty to win. And you know I really thought about that. So much and what I came to conclude you know from talking to you know different researchers it that they had what. I've come to call task chemistry so they had incredible trust in each other and incredible commitment to each other but only on the field. They trusted that each one of them was as committed and as as ribbon to win as any of the teammates. They were you making. You mentioned about Barry Bonds. Talk to me a little bit more about your conversation with him. Because both you and I being here in San Francisco I think We certainly know what his reputation has been like. Apparently it surprise you what he had to say. And I'm sure that has to do with time and no longer being in the game but tell me a little bit about what he had to say. Yeah you know. A lot of came from his teammates from interviewing his teammates. Because I just assumed he was super disruptor and they said now you know he really wasn't because it wasn't that she wasn't Jerky or they wasn't rude and arrogant and all the rest of those things it was because of his personality his his real. I mean frankly his genius with a baseball bat. He was so different from almost anybody else in baseball And he reminded them and he reminds me as I think about it of somebody like Steve. Jobs who was a savant in Technology and design and was rude and arrogant and self centered and all the rest of it but he was completely accepted because he was he contributed so much to the company and Berry contributing so much to the team so bonds with sort of in the in the eyes of his teammates. He was on that island by the island of misfit toys. All by himself over there And he really couldn't be any other way that's just who he was but he helped them win so much that she couldn't spread his rudeness or his arrogance. Nobody took it personally now. Did it get under their skin? Of course it did. But it didn't spreads through the team like a cancer so So he wasn't he wasn't a super disruptor until really the last three years of his career when he was going after the record and the team terrible and the clubhouse is just filled with reporters day in and day out. I mean that team had no chance of doing anything I it's interesting I think and correct me if you think I'm wrong about this statement. I think he understood himself very very well and new. There wasn't anything he could do about it. This was berry bonds and since it resulted in performance that he was accepting as well that he just continued being himself and really wanted other people to adapt to him if they did find if they didn't he didn't worry about. Am I correct in that observation? I think for the most part that that is true And a lot of 'cause I ended up developing a relationship with them was let which led to you. Know Very Long interview session and Descri- he was able you know very Intelligently to describe how it looks through his eyes so when people would make fun of and criticize him for the Barcalounger for having you know three Lockers for having his own masseuse than all the rest of it he said. Look you know I'm getting older and all I care about is being able to maximize performance every single day so that Barcalounger allowed me to take an APP to relax my body. The masseuse was there to get my body and keep my body in top working conditions. And he said you might notice that there are now you know sleeping beds in clubhouses in the training room. There are plenty of masseuses there. There are chefs who are preparing really healthy food. And you know. And that's that's what fons was Getting done for him too so he said. I don't get why people would criticize me for doing everything I could to put on the best possible performance. I could every single day and I thought wow I never really looked at it that way you know and it makes sense when you hear him talk about it. Another person you talked to. Mike Ruko the former pitcher and broadcaster for the giants. Now you said the very definition of team chemistry explained that to me. He is he embodied in for people who don't know Mike Ruko. He was a starting pitcher and And was won twenty games one season. But he was that guy in the clubhouse that had all these I have the seven archetype characters that you generally a great clubhouse and he was all seven he really don't have it so he was really funny and not just funny but had perfect timing so when it was getting test when some player was getting a little bit too hyped up he could send a clear message about a dude. You Know Watch yourself. Slowdown get over. It wrapped humor and so that DART lands a little bit more softly but the message is received and to break the stress and the And the nervousness of going into a big game. He was brilliant depth that and he cared about everybody he he would go up to people like my one of my favorite stories not to jump around you. Ron But favorite Crew now Kevin Mitchell came over in a trade in one thousand nine hundred seven and cattle missile. You know had all kinds of issues and you know hung out with gangs in San Diego where he grew up and played with the mets and so she knew the handful and he not want to get traded to San Francisco. He was that he got traded from. The mets was feeling very rejected. Very personally and very personally ended ended up in San Diego Larry Live and then gets traded again within eighteen months. So he's ready. He's literally ready to quit baseball because he'd never grew up wanting to play baseball. He's a football guy. He was ready to quit. So everybody Kinda saw that. Yeah he was hanging out by. He wasn't really joining in a the one day the first day the giants are playing the padres. The team that traded him and during that in practice you know one of his old teammates at the guy who's going to be pitching for the padres that night within says. Oh you know. Look out mets. I'm GonNa you know I'm coming after you. So let's go does when listen does hit Mitch. First Time he's up crew goes out there with his arm falling off. He's he's injured and he throws one pitch hits the Batter and looks at Mitch is about once per you match. Then it felt like okay. These is literally have my back and it changed everything John Ryan with us. And we've been talking about here latest book. It's called intangibles unlocking the science in Seoul of Team Chemistry and as I mentioned before twenty-five years ago she wrote an insightful powerful book it was called little girls in pretty boxes the making and breaking of elite gymnasts and figure skaters. I think we all know what has happened in both those sports to women athletes. So we'll talk about that book once again as we continue on sports byline. Do you have a story to share your story lifetime? Private Autobiography Services can help. We will interview by video or phone to get your memories in your words using your pictures are staff of talented. Riders will then recreate your story into a beautifully handcrafted book. You'll receive ten individual copies for friends and family to enjoy for generations to come visit. Private AUTOBIOGRAPHY DOT COM TO SCHEDULE. A free consultation. Mention this ad for a bonus audio recording from your personal interviews to get started visit private autobiography dot Com or call. 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Seven five four forty five. Thirty one matinee. Okay I just need you to listen to me. I know that a lot of times mom. It might not seem like I'm listening to you but I am. I hear you say really does matter to me. I mean let's be honest. No Kid likes rules but I got why we have them. I hear you and I know it's because you care all the talks fat over the years including what you've told me about not using alcohol and other drugs they stick with me and believe it or not. They really do. Make a difference. A specially at times matter moves drink. No thanks I'm good. So thank you for talking and preparing me for what the heck thanks. Mom never giving up and always being my biggest fan. Thank you for letting me know what you expect. So I can try to meet your expectations for more information about talking with your kids about underage use of alcohol and other drugs visit underage drinking dot samsa Dot Gov. This is America's Sports Talk. Show sports byline. Usa here's Ron Bar. John Ryan is with us here on sports byline and we have talked about her. New Book called intangibles unlocking the Science and soul of team chemistry but as I alluded to earlier. The first book. That really had a very powerful message with some twenty-five years ago called little girls in pretty boxes the making a breaking of elite gymnasts and figure skaters and of course we all know what has happened in gymnastics. We know about the stories the horror stories in figure skating as well and I like to revisit the subject for just a second. You now have a perspective from when you wrote that book to see what has happened from the time of that book to where we are now. Are you shocked? Are You surprised? What's your reaction to what you've seen since you wrote that book. Well when all the stuff about Larry? Nassar came out last year and It crossed my desk and I read it and I really had to look at it Several Times because I really couldn't believe it on one in one in one aspect of it I couldn't believe it. I mean I and then I was just furious. I mean really really serious because USA gymnastics has known at least since my book came out. So you know you kind of have a a pin in time there. What the culture was. It was an abusive culture from top to bottom with with most of the coaches and certainly led by the famous Bela Karolyi and here. We have a single doctor. Who for twenty years was abusing this girl? These girls and the culture is so war at these girls believed him when they when they said a look. Now no this is normal. This is normal doctor and Because they haven't been told their whole lives that when they're injured. No you're not injured. You'd better get back up there. You know when they're tired or just worn out. No you're lazy when they're put on a pound. You're a big fat. You know whatever. And they're like Oh my God. I'm hardly eating and I'm Ben. I'm still a big fat. Whatever so they. They learned not to listen to their own experience not to believe their own experience though when Nassar is giving them these quotes medical examinations and it's actually sexually abused You can just tell them. Look Oh no no no. You're wrong that's not what's really happening here. And even when they told their families their parents most parents didn't believe them obviously safeguards. Were you know not there in an in place? Why was that? I mean this has been going on for such a long time. They're just have never been any safeguards. Why is that Roy Joan? Well they did put in safes some safeguards especially after my book came out but then they sort of fell to the wayside and because it is difficult. I I must say in some ways to police it. When you have so many bad actor than as coaches out there because the gyms are all independent so you would have to send in monitors to find out what's happening. Well guess what that's what they need to do. They have to have. I mean they really and this is what I advocated for in the book. It's legal child abuse so just as child actors patches be going out there and do whatever they want. You know there's there there are safety nets involved so they need to be treated and these girls at the elite level. Our training like professional so they should have They should be covered under child. Labor laws me because they can't please them selves USA gymnastics. You gotTa bring the government in could make sure these kids are safe. Can you tell people give them a brief Synopsis About that book? Little girls in pretty boxes. Well I mean I set out to do it because I was. It started out as a story in the San Francisco. Examiner where I was working at the time and just looking at sports you know in advance of the. I think it was the ninety two Olympics. Sports in which girls can be the best in the world in their sport before they can even get a driver's license. I mean they literally are still children and yet they were like the Joe Montana and and Michael Jordan of the world so the question you know every good story just like the chemistry one. They start out with questions. It's like well. What does that do to a still developing body and psyche to be training as if they are professional athletes? This is their job and what happens to them later and so I interviewed. Gosh you know maybe a hundred either. You know gymnasts Coaches parents doctors and one story was worse than the next. I mean it was not a fun to write in any way. 'cause there was this relentless relentlessness of injuries and eating disorders and the suicide attempt. I mean one girl in the midst of me researching the book and I was interviewing her. She died of Anorexia in the in the course of me writing the book. Another girl broke her neck. This is before I started writing but she broke her neck because she wanted to push yourself to do this. Really difficult. Vaults when she wasn't ready for it but she needed the point to get into international competition and her coach was like you. GotTa do you gotTa do it. She did it and she. She broke her neck and ended up on a ventilator for years and then died. We never really heard this about young male athletes and I'm just wondering why that was. Was it the control factor? That that those that were doing this felt they had an easier path and controlling athletes. The way they wanted than what they could find with the young male athlete. Well the difference is and this is why you know I pursued. The story is that you don't seem world-class male athletes. Who are still children? Then you know boys have to go through puberty in order to be the best in the world at almost any sport I mean there have been exceptions in. You know diving. And you know Michael Chang at the French Open you know every now and then one worse through but generally men have to go through puberty Wellington to nasty. They're trying to stave off puberty to do what they need to do in gymnastics and figure skating to certain extent they have to have the body of a you know pre teen boy practically that thankfully has evolved and you do have gymnasts and certainly American gymnasts who actually look like females and that's been a great evolution in the sport. But that's why you don't see the same problems with boys I mean. Obviously you do with wrestlers you know with the eating disorders and that sort of thing but certainly not on the scale that we see with girl. It's not even close. The scandal that happened in it's been revealed now in some of the actions. They're trying to take right now. Are you optimistic? That'll change anything. I on very optimistic. And here's why when I watched that That hearing in Michigan and that Michigan courtroom or sentencing. Larry Nassar there. Was you know maybe at originally fifty gymnasts who were on the list who wanted to testify? Cnn was was carrying it girls from girls and young women from across the country. See that and they start flocking to that Michigan courtroom and at the end of the week I think there was a hundred and eighty who testified against Larry. Nassar for the for the for the sensing so we know that those gymnasts in order to do what they did what they did. You know gymnastics totally focused. Totally fearless driven persistent. Though girls and young women have now turned to their gaze onto USA gymnastics. And it's an army and they are not going to let it go until USA gymnastics totally reinvent itself in and make sure that this never ever happens to anybody else. I'm just wondering looking at the bigger picture. We know that we have Abuse Against Women in society in the workplace and other places. Do you think this what what they went through the story that they told in the action. That's been taken against Nassar that that opened some people's eyes up and maybe get them to think before they do other things like this in society against women. I don't now I mean. I think there's always going to be that element always And just focus on gymnastics. It's you know the women themselves that are going to change the culture they're gonNA force the culture so and this is maybe you're suggesting is that they're going to fourth accountability and at least those gymnasts who have already been through it you know are not gonNa keep their mouth shut now. There's always all kinds of factors because every person who comes up through it. It's new to them right. They haven't had these that. These girls are not courtroom to have had yet so they can do. They can be groomed as they say with the head of files and if you have parents who have just have so much. Invested in their their little girls. Succeeding in getting to the Olympics. Bank can be pretty blind to what's going on with the coaches and doctors and and And in that. Yeah so it's very very very difficult to stop completely. So that's why all of those safety net half to be in place like having monitors in the gym and whatever else is going to take. We only have three minutes left. But I'm just wondering usually when we talk about scandal particularly in sports that there is a money element to it. Did that come into play at all. Well I don't think it did. I mean to. Well I guess to a certain extent. No not with Larry Nassar thing I mean Larry. Nassar really didn't have anything to gain financially from what he did. But the physical abuse that goes on Non Sexual Abuse. That goes on in those gyms. But those coaches there's absolutely money involved. I mean you know. It's their a coach. Who GETS MARY? Lou retton and a Shannon Miller and mon vile. You are going to make some money because now every jim is wants to come to your gym. And maybe you get sponsorships and all the rest of it so yes. Those coaches are are invested in producing great gymnasts and Koroi was when I did interview. Bela Karolyi for three hours at his gym. After the end of the day he said to me he said look. My job is not to produce you know. Great Young Women and my job is to produce champion gymnasts. It's the parents job to take care of everything else in their lives. Which is you know total crap really if you were coaching children. Of course. It's your job to look out for their wellbeing for their health for their physical wellbeing their emotional wellbeing their psychic wellbeing. Because guess what they're spending more time with you than their parents and so he would take no responsibility for anything that happened to any of his gymnasts. He blamed the parents blame the girls themselves but there was not one thing that he looked back on and regretted or thought that it was anything he shouldn't have done. He saw that he was just doing the job that those parents are paying for in about forty five seconds when you think back on the book intangibles unlocking the Science and soul of team chemistry and again the book probably little girls in pretty boxes. Was it a tough march for you. Overall I mean ten years to research this latest book. You know another one coming soon. Yes my husband how awful it was actually it so hot. I loved the research but writing it was so difficult. I had this mountain of research and I never really you know you never really feel on top of it because it's so complex and it's so so big and I did say to my husband I am. This is my fifth book. I said I'm never riding another one because it's hard. It's really really hard to write a book. I'll tell you what you deserve. An awful lot of credit for picking the subject and the way you present it Both from a human standpoint with athletes and also the science and research was just outstanding. I hope people will check it out again. Intangibles unlocking the science and soul of the team. Chemistry and also. I needed to revisit little boxes off of what had happened. And when I read the story I knew I had to talk to you once again. Joan. Thank you very much. You take care and we'll connect again soon much ron. It's always a pleasure John Ryan again. I've known her for thirty five years. I met her when she was a columnist for the San Francisco. Examiner and the chronicle covering sports but she is an outstanding award winning writer. And I hope that you will check out this latest book from her called intangibles we continue with more of you and sports byline remember in the beginning when you first started to build a life for you and your family. 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AWTR Show #811: The Ups & Downs of Being an Anxious MilSpouse

Army Wife Talk Radio

10:52 min | 3 weeks ago

AWTR Show #811: The Ups & Downs of Being an Anxious MilSpouse

"Attention know spouses families and service members. It's now time for another empowering episode of armond white talk radio the leading and longest running podcast of its kind. Awt are is here doing gauge. Educate and encourage you by sharing dynamic interviews social media connections news and empowering military life information here are your awt our hosts your army wife network command team. He friends happy thursday. Welcome to another fabulous installment of army wife networks mill spouse empowerment moments. I am. Sarah was shot. Aws ends virtual admin and contact liaison. Today i would like to talk with you about anxiety about what it is and the role and can play in the life of a male spouse and towards the end. I will also be sharing with you. Some of the ways that. I've learned to cope with my own anxiety over the years anxieties. Actually a super common feeling Something we have all experienced from time to time during stressful life events Such as deployments and moves what i wanna talk about. Today is the anxiety that interferes with your daily life. The feelings of excessive worry or fear that can interrupt your sleep in wreak havoc on your diet. Your productivity relationships That kind of anxiety. So as a male spouse myself of almost ten years. I have come to learn that eighty can actually be both a curse and a blessing. A real doctor. Jekyll mr hyde kind of thing So i'm gonna start with the doctor jekyll. Side of things the downsides of having anxiety at the most the house which can be a lot. But i'm going to For time sake just focus on two so a tremendous source of anxiety for middle. Spouses can stem from the sheer number of unknowns. That are present in our lives. Such as when your next. Pcs is going to be and where you will be going when your spouse will be home from deployment Whether you'll be able to find a job and childcare at your next station those sorts of things You know the list of largely unanswerable. Questions can feel unending. Depending on which chapter of your military life you find ourselves in a lot of anxiety can come from a lack of control or a perceived lack of control over a situation or even a lack of knowledge regarding your future and you know unfortunately that is Myspace life in a nutshell. Right there so it is a huge trigger for a lot of spouses who have anxiety another aspect of military life that sends spouses running for the hills. And this is a big one for myself Is meeting new people attending social events. Where you don't know anyone meeting people having to make small talk for That can feel almost as hard as staying home and not having any friends at all and a lot of spouses who have anxiety. Actually choose that route Instead of going out You know we're talking. Sf rg meetings coffees former award ceremonies. They are all anxiety inducing and equally terrifying sometimes again being mill spouses. We move every few years and find ourselves having to constantly meet new people. Make make you friends. I've always said that if stepping outside of my comfort zone was a life goal of mine. I would absolutely be crushing it by living this mill. South i'm going to switch gears here and talk about the kids of having anxiety as mills styles and yes. I promise there are upsides. There are times. I have been grateful for my overthinking ruminating and My planning so To stick with me on this fun A good example of this would be you know when my husband and i have been unsure of our next duty station Which is every time and waiting on that. Elusive are finally come in. My anxiety is always there to help me plan for all the potential possibilities you in my case my mind runs in reruns all night long about you. Know a checklist of potential duty stations of driving routes to get their of housing options. Do we buy we rent. Do we go through post Job possibilities schools. it's really endless And you know determined to not be surprised by anything Anxiety maps out. All of those pop possibilities you know helps to plan. Accordingly when answers do start rolling in. So yes i do lose a lot of sleep but i feel like i am always ready to go when the army finally decides to tell us where we're going Anxiety can also help with those fun military related appointments and we can never be one hundred percent short which people were we needed to complete a task like getting new. Id card or registering your children in childcare. I and a lot of other mill spouses have learned to just bring everything. Bring every piece of paper. That could possibly be related. Just in case you need it you know. It's a rare day that i show up on post for an appointment without basically a folder of paper Because i never know what would be needed and You know that. Walk of shame back to the car. After you've had to cancel your appointment is really humiliating. Sometimes moving on. Let's wrap this up. I want to share with you a few tools that i have learned to us over the years. How kkob and mitigate my own cities The first one is not going to be a surprise for anyone. It is the old tried and trusted exercise. Yes the kind that involves moving your body and getting your blood pumping. Everyone knows that research has shown that regular exercise is an excellent kobe mechanism for all sorts of things anxiety included so for me. Choose running but you know activities. Such as walking yoga tennis zimba. That weird exercise on mini trampoline. We've all seen the video of. It's all fine. It's all good They are all excellent outlets anxiety and they will leave you feeling mentally and physically better when you are finished if exercise is not your cup of tea or if it's just not an option for you you can try meditation and grounding techniques as a way to mitigate some of your symptoms a popular grounding technique that i myself have used is the five four three two one technique that is where you focus on five things that you can see four things that you can feel three things you can hear two things that you can smell and one thing that you can taste. This activity actually helps to redirect your mental energy away from your downward anxiety spiral to something more tangible and less stressful for you. So i myself have used this And i do sit on my children as well sort of help. Stop a temper tantrum minutes tracks and it does work most of the time. The third way to help relieve anxiety is just good old. Talk therapy find yourself. A fellow mill spouse were an understanding family. Member is willing to listen during zaidi's without diminishing them with out when upping them really nothing helps alleviate anxieties more than talking it out with a good out. Oh buddy and then last but not least if you are truly having a hard time managing your anxieties anxious thoughts and feelings I suggest to go speak to a medical a medical professional. It took me years to work up the nerve to go to my pm and admit that. I was having a hard time. But once i did. It was like that light bulb went off wire started singing. The weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders. There is no judgment from anyone you know if you are in a place where you need a little extra help with your anxiety and your doctor. We'll have excellent ideas in resources to help you through is chapter of your life Anxiety is real and it is difficult to cope with as a mill spouse because our life is already stressful. Sometimes there are situations at anxiety simply just worsens while others can sometimes benefit from a little over thinking and ruminating either way. You look at it though having these tools of kobe. In your back pocket to help you manage. Your symptoms is crucial So the main reason that i wanted to come on here today and talk about something very personal is because the only reason i began to address my own anxieties is because i started talking to other mills spouses. I started reading comments on facebook and hearing what they had to say. And a lot of what they said echoed my own feelings and It really is surprising. How many others are out there with the same struggles. So i'm certain that if you reach out to your friends to your neighbors you'll be surprised to find how many have a similar story to yourself that is about all i have for. Today's so if you are still with me and you've made it this far screened you If you have your own stories your anecdotes about living with anxiety as a male spouse or if you have an excellent coping techniques that you have found useful over the years if you could please drop a comment you never know how much comment might mean someone at. It might be the empowering words that they need to get through this chapter of Life so it is thursday afternoon. We are almost at the weekend. I hope you all have a great end tier week and i will talk to you next time. Thank you for tuning into army wife. Talk radio the views and opinions expressed in our show. 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True Crime: By The Book Teaser

True Crime: By The Book

02:06 min | 1 year ago

True Crime: By The Book Teaser

"Fill a better for me. Is Top priority mentally physically and emotionally. They all worked together talking about the things that we all may experience. But just just don't quite know how to say really opens up some new dialogue amp perspective. That's the goal here. Since you gotta see yourself a little bit better and Dan leave yourself alone because there are other people who see you for exactly who you are and Esau good we stay elevated here but even Dr. JEKYLL had a dark side. I mean who doesn't love a good story to make the hair on their own standup. I started to walk a little faster just figuring if it was probably probably someone trying to scare me like hazing but this did it feel right night. Owl is the hang out for those horace chance looking for a little bump in the night Monday motivation. Friday frights we'd like balance here in the brain podcast. Has It all take flight sleep tight. There's there's more than one type of crime. Malicious murders convoluted conspiracies high crimes by trusted authorities intense Hintz white-collar crimes and all stops in between and you can bet there's a book covering all of them. I'm Tasha Pierce True Crime Enthusiast and Avid Book Lover and also host of true crime by the book. I invite you to join me. As I read publications that cover over all types of transgressions and discuss some pretty interesting cases. The show launches on September tenth. Two Thousand Nineteen eighteen. So mark your calendars listen on Google. podcast I tuned and plenty of other platforms true crime by the book. Re talking cry one page at a time.

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406: Jamstack with Divya Tagtachian

ShopTalk

59:40 min | 1 year ago

406: Jamstack with Divya Tagtachian

"The shove maniacs are listening to another episode of Shop Texture Pie. Kosovo Web Design and development. I'm Dave Rupert with Chris. Colli error. Chris how're you all right here in my little closet which feels all the more appropriate every day we have we have another guest. Who's WHO's in a closet today to divvy Ta Talk Tashi. And how are you? Hello hello from my cloudy. Dang well good. It sounds good though I feel like podcasting quality for for everybody is just GonNa Skyrocket in these in these hometown share. Yeah everyone's investing in like good audio tech. Yeah I try to order a new. Webcam and I was like I got this email. That's like the company has failed to ship this product to you like you even get your hands on a good Webcam. I had one. I just wanted a really good one. Yeah I'M GONNA go hadn't forecasted ninety five percent chance to kids will run in here and ask for printouts from the printer so I just want forecast that for listeners at home who's going to be an invasion here so do people might know of your from from you know a couple of different things. So you're at nullify right. Yep that is where he ended up to ever heard of it or small stores. What's a nullify is that it's like? It's like Netflix. But not net flicks flicks for website. Netflix for websites. It's like I think one of the phrases I tried to get people to adopt. I think it was like what was it. It's like Netflix and chill like Netflix and chill. But I think there are so many connotations to that that it was quickly shot down. So Yeah I can't see the actual company embracing. It was a scientific works so day was just joking of course because a lot of us you know. Us love nullify already. It's a it's a web host. I feel like I I mean I let me do this but I think I'd tear up just a little bit and largely for for for static files. I mean although although I think even from day one the message has been like but don't let that you know. Don't let that get into your brain too deeply. Like files is great for a million reasons. But it doesn't mean that this thing is only for like jekyll sites. It's great for Jekyll sites but can do a lot more. Yeah themselves with Jam Stack. It wasn't like Jim Stack and then notifies like I know we'll make a hosting company around that. Yeah it's been her on. It's just it's just a matter of like naming the thing right like people have been doing thing for a while and then someone's like this is what you all are doing. And you're like cool and I think that that helped a lot because with Netla fights they were trying to pull push like this whole concept of static site deployments and alongside that art. The architecture like you're mentioning of building sites so it's not just static or jekyll sites building statically and then adding dynamic elements to it with surplus functions and so on and so the jets. That sort of encapsulates that because it's not only really nice for overall like making your site super fast and secure but it's also really nice for like overall developed economics because you can now deal with things in isolation rather than have this giant monolithic application and have things break and then your entire site doesn't work and I think that's like back in my day. We call it blue host and you'd FTP tablet or whatever Which is fine. If you're using a it's I just but I feel like notify In particular has like some innovation there. Because it's like I don't just FTP descended actually to get hub. And then nullify hooks into Mcginn hub and then pulls it like does some checks and tries to build the thing just pushed in the middle. Tell me how how well I did that. And then you know it'll and they'll deploy the site for me instantly. I didn't even have to like. I just had to do like responsible version control in now my sites updating on the web. Yeah Yeah I think that's the beauty of it because oftentimes like I mean I'm primarily a front end development. I really hate having to do a lot of devops e things and so in the past it would be on need to containerize my front end and then I need to put it on some kind of hosting provider or something like that. There's a lot of steps to it and then you would just never touch it. You just like well. I'm just going to hope. Nothing breaks because if things break I don't know how to fix it or I'll spend like an entire day trying to fix it and with with we're already version controlling things. And so it's it's a workflow. That's fairly streamline. You're not actually doing anything else. You're just hooking you're deploy pipeline directly into get and so get like that's automatically handled for you. Netflix does all the work. And all you're doing is just version controlling really and then you just automatically get that nice deployment cycle going for you so without having to disembark clutch like the nothing has been doing this for years and as soon as it existed. You look at it to me. And I don't know if it's like the first thing deployment thing to hook into get Shirley not but like one that really like captured the hearts and minds of the people in a way. Now I look at all the entire hosting landscape. Like how can you possibly offer hosting? That isn't isn't like a first class. Citizen hooked up to my my get workflow definitely. Yeah I think I remember wild. Yeah I remember having to do all that myself like I had a site set up in like I think twenty fourteen or something and I had it such that. It did every time I pushed to get a would auto deploy but I've had to build that and it took me forever to build that cycle and it was just like again the same thing like from a devops thing. If thing breaks I have no idea why and just like I. I would be very upset if I'd had to fix that. But with nullify. It's just like it's probably not gonNA break if it breaks. That's probably unmet by not on me and so yeah that that just cognitive load of automatically being able to deploy ship applications without having to think about that is a. He is huge yeah. We've talked about jam stack a bunch of times on the show so I think people are largely familiar and in in that. There's nothing you can do on an either. I like I like to. I don't know think about that sometimes. Because it's kind of fun you know like there's just because it some static files there's literally no limitation to that. It's not an architecture that says well that's good for X Y and Z. And not good for one two and three not really. It might be that. There's not overheard a conversation the other day about Like community forums. It was like well. I want to build community forums do that other gem stack and the answer. Is You absolutely can? Yes but there's not as there's I'd say there's way more off the shelf choices for not Jim Stack so you have choices to make bill build the thing yourself or get spammed into oblivion right choices are blooming in his right. As a matter of fact I you know after whatever. Eleven twelve years of having forums on. Css tricks. I closed them. So it's like I can't dedicate time to this anymore. Spam was kind of a problem but that might have been solvable but I was just like mentally. You checked out of this after all that time so I kind of ended up spinning down a little bit and I did note that. You know like nullify yourselves us Discourse for the forums there so it's like even companies that are like obviously highly invested in gem stack sometimes make other choices. Yeah Yeah Building. It would take a long time anyway and just like. I mean the thing is that is a really great salute. So what we're trying to do is push people towards that specific discord like a lot of companies generally used discourse for forums. Because it's a really great solution for just making sure that everything works. You can easily answer questions you can manage users and so on and so for people who are community managers. It's IT'S A it's like. The U is easy to understand and easy to set up and so they can focus on focusing on the community rather than like all the bits and bobs that comes with like a diy solution. I think one of the things that I often hear about the JAM SACK. I'VE HAVE TO FIELD. A LOT OF QUESTIONS. Is this whole The focus of the gems. That are a lot of the conversation tends to be around developers and I talk about that too because I'm a developer but it's interesting because when you build a website developed aren't the only ones involved in that process you have people who content authors or people who are just not technical who might be contributing in some way and there are times when when you think when you think purely technical in the gem stack when you're like Oh people have to use it in order and right content markdown and it's very developer. Centric where it's like. It automatically raises the barrier to entry for other people because the now they have to learn get and mark down and so I think the general thought is that I think when people talk about the talk about these different models which are developer focused and try to shift the conversation into thinking more about. How do we create the gems like that's more inclusive for everyone rather than for just developers because they'll solutions where like for instance if you think about it from a content perspective? Cms says are really heavy but they give you so much functionality that a lot of headless options might not do so like a lot of headless. Like sort of get based CMS as I would say generally have a workflow. That's not as robust as you would have if you used wordpress. Let's say like wordpress gives you plug INS and gives you all these things that allow content authors to manage their layouts and do a lot of configuration that with like if you want to do. Jam Stack strictly as a developer focused. Approach it kind of removes that control from them because they automatically like well. I'm just creating content and the developers are the one who have full control over or need them to do all the work. If it comes to changing layout or whatever that is and I think you can actually change that so that by picking Sutton tools that take those nontechnical people into consideration you can still have a jumps like approach that makes develops happy but also people who are not necessarily technical also happy and like I think so with the gems like this generally this like with cms particularly this based on API based messes. And I talk about that a lot. I'm like you can choose whatever you want. It doesn't matter and I think the more I use either of them the Moi lean towards API base messes and the reason for that is. It's really frustrating. When you're content is tied to the like the overall like developers cycle of things because now you're automatically blocked with your peers and everything are put alongside code. Pr's and that's really frustrating because then it just it just creates these roadblocks and so people who want to create content. Now can't do it liberally. They have to wait for the PR to be approved and then someone merges it in this whole process but if it's API base that can just be like whatever I'm just going to add content will like as they need and then anytime the site is like requested it just pulls from the API and refresh the content. Just an example. I had a client. You know built out like a static site generator Jekyll for her. Maybe seventy at some point but for their content. And then yeah it was like. Oh you want this uploaded. Oh that's a change request like we we have to do. This is a whole. You have to file a change request. That goes through devops that goes to with the networking team. You know and I was just like Oh man Really was fixing time now for sure. Yeah and I've seen that happen. I mean I'm not saying that you shouldn't use get basically a messes because I think they're great for let's say you have fewer contributors and like a. Let's say documentation for instance. That's a fine use. It's a find use case for using a get basically a mass because I imagine one. You're not making a lot of changes. And to a lot of the people making changes like generally understand the deployment and Development Cycle. And so that's fine and the same with like personal blogs if you're like the only one contributing to it then. I get is fine more or less but I think when you add more people to the team and those people who are not necessarily familiar with the development cycle. Don't WANNA be blocked. Then you might have to think about whether get based EMS is worth the effort because it automatically makes it more frustrating to work with. It's early days for them anyway. That's true. Yeah it's just like there's not those things need to grow up I use. I used to different ones like I'm a fan. It opens up some cool possibilities. Here's one by the way that I think Quote Unquote traditional or any other kind of. Cms has no good solution for which is like just totally open public contributions. Which I know is if I worked on a idea but you know we're so used to that as developers because of things like pull requests pool requests are already beautifully fleshed out as a concept in the world of developers anyway and so if you're content live somewhere that's in any way essentially you can offer a pull request for that content and then you can build a Ui around it. That isn't so gross. That isn't doesn't look like a pull request to the person doing the so cool. That's so cool. Wordpress can't do that as I'm like a wordpress lover I've love it and I. You can't do that you know. Yeah I think the the open I think. Net calls it open offering and a lot of other. Cms's is get basically a messes are using this and that is one huge benefit to it. Because like you said you automatically can take contributions from external people who are not part of the Arg because of the flow of how pull requests works forking and so on and so behind the scenes you can. You're essentially just like allowing forking the repo creating a pull request to the main repo and the person you can create a Ui Iran so the person who's adding the content doesn't even know that so that is definitely one benefit to using the base cms that like API CMS doesn't have and I don't think I imagine it'd be really hard to do that with. Api messes you. GotTa be happy with where? You keep your data because I think what whatever your individual circumstances if you zoom out from that and look at the world and how they tend to operate you're not gonNA port your data. You're just not you're gonNA rebuild. You're you're going to rebuild your front end ten times for every time you actually move where your data is so just make sure you really happy with where your data is and I totally agree. Api based CMS feel great. And I feel happy about that because it could be a wordpress site. Because we're you know you still have to host it somewhere making that part of your stack not particularly gems tacky but it offers an API so you could do that but the of course the ones that are always talked about in Netla fi circles are ones like sanity which is so cool for choosing how you model out your data and they host it for you so you it's an API you had still. Of course the big players that everybody's heard of like content foil do good there and you've totally decoupled in your front end becomes playground. You can just totally tear down your front end and build it in some other way without having to put your data and Gosh. Is that cool? This episode of Shop Talk. Show is brought to you in part by. Aws amplify you know aws right Amazon web services at powers most of the Internet. It feels like there's a ton of things that go into. Aws Bucket like EC. Two allows you to spin up servers of your choice as all kinds of configuration and like S. three is for file storage and lamp as for running cloud functions all kinds of stuff that individual. You can set up an us in our great but there's so much more than that you know there's a ton of different things. Aws Aws amplify is kind of a package of tools to help you build full stack apps for the web. So it's like I don't know it. Just give me the stuff that I need that. Usually you need to build an APP so amplify is hosting. You need web hosting it's got it's got authentication for log. Ins for your users it's got graph Q. L. as a first class citizen ED functions. Like any you the lambda thing. I want to run some code in the cloud to hit. Api's and do whatever else I need to and has got file storage if you need it. It's got a machine learning stuff in there if you need it so amplify this easy to use full stack. Framework for getting started with building. Web APPs is really cool. The oth- stuff alone is cool. Just a few lines of code in their graphs culas taking over the world of how to get things from database put things back in a database really front and development friendly way to do database stuff love graph Q. L. It's just built in as a first class citizen. It's the scalable. Api You just just. You don't have to provision your own servers. That just does it up for you. A PRETTY COOL. So Awf's amplify is really cool. Definitely worth checking out especially as a front end developer so check all that out. Let's rapid fire you either. So many questions in this is a softball for you. Because I'm going to take these questions from you because you did like A. This is another thing I know about you. Did this like two years ago or something on your own blog where you just like one out of bender of blogging. Feel like that's your style. You like crazy and they stopped from and so this laseyette this this this latest round was all. I don't know if you did it on your own blog too but I'm looking at Davos dot to what are they? What do they call it? Dev visit just deb. It's called dead. Yeah yeah which is cool. It's a great site Community are in in your all of your latest blogging. Super story was their JAM Jamuary. Yes Yup and so if you had to answer. I'm going to answer the questions. That are the title of your blog post but you have to answer them really quickly. Like fifteen seconds okay. All right. Can and S. P. A. B GEM Stack? Yes a single page APP. You hesitated there. Okay keep going to have to like is it a single would ons as well or do. I like I like to single word but also like a tiny bit of elaboration okay. Yeah it can be as long as your aesthetically rendering some parts of it. Okay Cana site be too large for the Gemstar. This one is. I think it depends was my answer for this one because when you get the sad trombone sound of a it depends because for instance the logic is the longer it takes to build Especially if you're building it statically and so for a lot of people that can take a lot of work when it comes to like optimizing the bill or even just like having to deal with like. I don't know a couple hours to build a site and for some people. That's a deal breaker. And that's the reason why they don't choose to go. The STATIC APPROACH. There are ways that you can optimize for your site that super large to be gem sex. So you're just like managing the cash a little better so you build isn't super fast are super super slow. I mean you're built is fast not super slow. So you're not building every single page only building that change but it does that work. Can you who who facilitates that? So the thing is so one of the things that we're adding to nullify is we're adding this potential. It's called Bill Plug Ins and that's like we've been hinting at it and we we. I think we had initial like private Beta for awhile and we're going to release it soon. Got Excited too early. I made like a whole thing around and I'm like I'm like the I think the I was just wait. It's not really ready. We are changing quite a lot. I mean within the decks team itself. Where like we're ready and we built a bunch of plug INS and they're like we change the API and we're like cool. You need to update everything we just like. I think that happens with like quick feature changes and so on but the bill plug INS will give you access to Hou- nettle fi bills your site which also gives you access to the cash and so you can sort of manage. What's in the cash and change? What's in the cash if you want to within like through build plugging so that gives you a lot of functionality? Yeah it's fancy because previously it's kind of a black box for the question goes up. Let's see you have ten thousand one hundred thousand page site one hundred thousand pages. This is gonNA take a hot minute to render in any thing you know. Maybe you can do it fairly quickly. But it depends. It depends on what work it has to do. And how many functions? It's running in stuff. Let's say it took you ten minutes. That'd be pretty slow for but it could be even worse than that and I'm sure it gets you know I'm sure there are sites that are much bigger than that you know. Then the question is like is is seriously. Are we in like. Are we looking at long builds long deploys? Yadda or or or what you know and I like you. You already talked about it because like maybe you just break one page of that cash maybe you just deploy that one page. Maybe you just rebuild that one page but it feels like early days like nobody's saying it's very early days. Do that out of the box. I think is really early days with that. Especially because with a lot of gems deployments and I can speak. Just how neff I woke that you automatically invalidate the cash every time you deploy and that's like it can get as you said very heavy because if you invalidate the cash for like ten thousand page site it's GonNa take ten minutes or more for the entire site to rebuild because we're essentially building that ten thousand peaches each individual one so so I think yeah jams like maturing a lot so you see a lot of e commerce adoption But I think in general we are tackling a lot of the challenges that come with building large sites on the Jim Stack. That would be the same problem with a forum if you built it that way. Every single comment is going to be an individual page. That's going to get big real quick anyway. Related is server side rendering or SR that like the same thing is gem stack or no I. I'm very adamant against so. I know I dislike very hot sake. I feel very afraid to say yes. Despic- takes but so has released a lot of articles talking about services server side rendering. And I call it. It's just a bunch of hogwash. To me because the whole concept of like silver like server side rendering is dynamic rendering. Essentially if you think about it like your dynamically rendering every time someone requests the page and so that is inherently not statically Rendova. You can't call it the because the whole point of the gems like is you're moving away from dynamically rendered pages and that automatically gives you the benefits like speed and security and so on and if you're doing Suicide rendering whatever that's like completely antithetical to this whole concept of static rendering also. I think a lot of talk still like pre rendered. It's still like an html file or whatever but like in. Esera your the way we're defining here is that like there's still some back end language. That's like spinning up in which to spit that thing out quickly. Okay okay. Okay so hot. It's a heartache for sure. Because I know that there's a lot of contention the gemstone space around. What's a weather? Sr is considered gem stack. And so like Natalie take is definitely not like. That's not like if you want to do it. You can do parts of your site using Sr but just know that that's going to add time to your site. Your offer us are because Kim spit out of static Not a static Olympic html. Oh for sure. Yeah Yeah we so I would. I would actually rephrase that in that we don't so we don't encourage it but we offer you the ability to do it. It's sort of like you if you want to. You can shoot yourself in the foot but we do not the way we the way we mock that is slightly different so as I. It has also similar like services serve what service functions and for them they call it. They essentially pushed the whole like. Sr Dynamic Ford 'cause they're like Service functions allow you to do as our at the edge which like I would argue a lot of so again when it comes to edge and like service functions at edge not a lot of companies do that at the moment so like Cloudier has yeah. Cloudflare's workers and then lambda has at edge but a lot of people doing social functions. Today are not doing at the edge so even though your stomach sites are loaded from the cdn which are edge nodes the service functions of still origin servers. So like you don't get the regularly because we're like I guess it's a cool md but it's still like us west three or what exactly. Yeah so I think people forget that you just automatically assume everything is edge and you're like no it's just gets complicated right because you can put behind the in our Brian. Larue episode was talking about this and how it does get complicated because the way they serve their app the US Lamm does even to serve otherwise static stuff in the lambda runs once. Generates the static thing which goes into cloud front somehow and then at the lambda never gets touched again. So technically it's it's not like one time it was Sr then it's cast from then on out which feels a little closer to. Jim Stack to me and I think that yeah. I think that would be close to the gem stack then like Sr for every request kind of thing. Because that's not super. Yeah Yeah but I get the appeal of that approach to because if you have a server back there than it's like Oh cool I can check. J. W. T. or I can. There's all this stuff you can do. You can say yes so so actually. The interesting thing is the other thing I've been thinking about a lot. Is the future of gem stack like okay as we as we've been mentioning? The gemstone is is growing in maturity. But there's a lot of things that are still trying to be like a lot of infrastructure that isn't fully fleshed out yet or is still being developed and one of the things is just the ability for what we can do at the edge. I think that's still. We're still like in the early stages of pushing the boundaries of what you can do But I'm excited to see where that goes because for now certain things you can do at edge like with Netflix. You can do redirects at the edge Because that's age logic that happens automatically so you could just direct without having to go to the origin server direct authentication can sometimes happen at the edges. Well and so it's just figuring out or bill I think it's interesting and really fascinating to see what companies are coming up with in terms of what you can do at the edge and what logic you access to amen. I could see that being a big deal for the future push because I think that automatically pushes the boundary of what jam second. Because I I think gems that for longtime in its in its infancy. Was people really focused on the technology of like okay. Java scrip- API MARKUP JAVASCRIPT APM market whatever. Whatever and I think at this point we're starting to see with the infrastructure changes and developments that you can do so much more like so in the in the early days it was fairly steady. Do some dynamic stuff but not super dynamic stuff and then I think as ecosystem emerged and Mike Micro services grew. You can do a lot more dynamic stuff but you're still like picking other API's and so on and so I think it'd be cool to see like what you can do on the CD and that you currently are on and you're serving from and like what does that give you access to. And what will that give you access to in that? And what would that open? The possibilities for out seems incredible to me. You can. It's this. It's this new like layer of the stack that you're like wait. What work what it. Because it's kind of like a web worker in a way has a web worker has to run on your client. But it's like it's not you don't have to run it on your client can run up before the client. Yeah I think one of the things that for instance like to talk about the limitation of jam segments. You something that comes up a lot that you can't do you can't do like web. Sockets for instance like well on the Jim Stagger anything. That's like POPs up style things Because everything needs to happen through web hooks event happens and then it Ping's directly and then nullifies like okay cool or another service okay. Cool I need to rebuild and so I think it'd be really cool. Is this ability for like okay. Like let's say you have edge nodes in the edge nodes have have a sense of what? Api's you're connected to and when content changes it it's like listening for content changes so the content doesn't have to pin it. It just automatically like all the content change update. That would be cool if we like. It's just like things that you need that. Now you're just like you just do it in Java script right I don't I just don't pre render that part that's just not pre rendered. I know you would render you because something's updating exactly yeah you just hydrate every time something okay. Yeah well. I agree. This is going to be. That's going to be a some future stuff happening there. What's up with like word with like jam stack plus wordpress like. Is there any good story there? What's the story yeah? I think it's growing a lot so wordpress has had like the API to get content for like a while. I think they had a rest. Api for a while. But I think they've started talking more about the static approach in the last again. Like I'm not super in the wordpress community so I feel really bad about just being like only recently. They found the JAM SEC. But it seems that way to me like until recently. Yes they found. I think I've heard like Gatsby is like as a consumer of wordpress is kind of beginning to take off. I Guess Yeah I think. Gatsby has been spending a lot of effort and time to create resources that will help the would press community like migrate towards Jam Stack Solution. Obviously the very gatsby centric. So you would essentially might be migrating like migrating wordpress to woods Gatsby specifically All creating a solution where your contents on wordpress in your site and Gatsby. So that's like very it is Jam Saqi. But it's like very not technology agnostic but it is helping that community because I think it is giving them a sense of like OK static purchase exist gem second thing and I've seen a lot of people start talking about it so There's a podcast called. That's my jam stack and I think it's it's really good. They talk a lot about like jams like approaches and so on and I listened to episode from last year. And so this guy by the name of Daniel Olsen he's building a thing called shifter which is like static. It's like aesthetic generate static site generator for wordpress which I didn't think it was a thing and then I heard the podcast and I was like. Oh that's cool so it's not actually using wordpress as an API it's essentially just using wordpress as is and then you're cre- you have this bill pipeline that just takes wordpress and spits out because it's like if you just use the API and then you're on your own to rebuild the front. You're the heart of wordpress. Oh yeah right exactly. Yes so that was pretty interesting But what's funny about that is that you know there's been plug ins for ages like what's the biggest cashing in on wordpress. The I forget what it's called is Asher leads. Yeah that one w three total cash or whatever which I used for ages but it seems like these days hosts WANNA be your cash instead of that for some reason Which I guess makes sense because you can do a lot from the like engine next layer and stuff like that and cdn layer but anyway how. That one worked. Was You know the page was requested? And it literally made a file called like that page dot and then there was requested again. It would just get that. Html violence serve that instead of asking HP and asking my sql and running all that stuff which is cool which is Kinda Jam Saqi. Yeah but I. I think it was smart enough to know that. Not Everything can be done like that so that it would. I don't know if it hydrated per se but it knew when to invalidate cash and I don't know it had it had obviously was complicated technologically. Otherwise everybody would have just built their own plug in like this so Kinda Kinda curious. I don't know what to do because I'm in that position where I'm like. I love wordpress the authoring experience in there. I got dialed in perfectly for me. I use all this stuff like I'm playing around now with some ecommerce stuff in there with commerce and it's just like easy and it's just great. It just works beautifully. You know but I'm like I'm obviously attracted to the JAM stock. I bought a bunch of other sites on the like the experience like the speed. I like the security. I like everything about that so it just seems to me. There's gotta be a future and combining these things these big industry players. Yeah because I think every time I talked to people who are in like big communities whether that be wordpress on people. That is one thing. They're like I'm so you're so committed to that framework and that all that comes with it because it gives you so much power and control over how exactly you want things to work plug ins whatever and also the thing is like going back to my previous point people who are like building a site and don't want to get into code or whatever they can easily build a site using wordpress without having to touch like a line of PGE beef they want and it works great but then automatically. When you're like oh I can. You should move to the jam. Stike where it's like secure whatever whatever it's like essentially they lose a lot of that control because you're like well you can use wordpress for your content but you have to build everything else yourself. And then that's like it takes away from the complete joy of using wordpress which people are so committed to or just like completely. That's the thing that they're very comfortable with. And so I think you'll be cool to see more solutions. I think shift does one. I think strategy is another as well. which essentially trying to build a way of US allowing people to continue use wordpress steadies generating static sites static pages from that itself so that would be cool to see how that plays out and if that increases overall adoption within that community. I think there's a spectrum of all the way from all the sites going to be pretty easy to this site is going to be like it's going to be incredibly difficult you know and I'm not on the incredibly difficult scale but I'm pretty close pretty high up there to the point where it doesn't it doesn't compel me like immediately. It's like I'm going to drop everything and do that. And all the other funny thing is like for for the industry at large. That like you still got. You still need a wordpress instant somewhere. Then in you're probably paying for that So you're not saving any money in fact it's probably going to cost you more money to run this stack in this way. And it's like just run wordpress locally or something. Maybe but that's not exactly the point you know point less moving parts. We might be nice shop talk listeners. This show is brought to you in part by Code Penn. That's me your host Chris. Cofounder of Code Penn also. Sometimes I like to sponsor our own show and tell you about code pen. It's a premium APPs. You can use code pen for free but I hope to compel you with the features of Code Pen. Pro One reason you might upgrade just because you like this show. That's fine with me. I'll take your support that way. But ideally there's some part of pro that makes you want to upgrade. You know one of the little things you get with pro is that you get unlimited imbed themes see might like build something on code pen in which to us somewhere else like using a blog poster documentation or whatever. It's Nice because you change your theme and then it changes on every single embed where you use that theme. Of course. 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All the data bits are all those the user experience and then the point where you take a credit card. You just have to go visit a big Servino another. These used to be an advertiser on tricks like ages ago like eight years ago. It's called Foxy Cart. It's called Foxy. Io now but the whole point of it was ecommerce that you just like they just host basically like like a a javascript powered cart and then eventually like a kind of an eye framed. Modal checkout kind of thing so you can still do whatever you want. Cms wise with your products manager products in your prices in your pages and just build whatever you want and then the moment you actually need to buy the darn thing you just you know you click a little button that adds to their little checkout flow and and go from there and the whole point. I used to do it on wordpress sites which had its own ecommerce solution but I liked the idea that you could take this and you could plop it on top of any CMS. And I bet it's particularly gem stack friendly now that I'm thinking about it. Probably I think they get compared to like snip cart. Qasim Carter I think offers a very similar approach way. It's yeah it's like a drop in ECOMMERCE solution for creating shops and things like that right. That makes a lot of sense. It seems like a like why not. Isn't that part of the spirit of Gemstar? It seemed like it is to me a little bit that you you get to piece together. Yeah services you're like I'm going to pick this service for this. I'M GONNA do my forms over here like my. Api is going to be powered by this and my ecommerce will be the kind of like no no code for developers no good is for developers to but those. I see on design context. But yeah he's just like Oh. I want that already do that anyway. Whatever you build your like many use this for my error tracking and I'm going to use this solution can always boots. All this is fun. Let's see. Is there any more hot? Take questions we can do there. So so why is the gem stack fast the fast mainly because of the way that it is architecture so instead of dynamically rendering your site your statically your statically serving them and so the site is already prebuilt and so instead of every time someone request your site they have to like the service needs to go to work and then give you a thing? It automatically has the page available and it gives it to you. So that's super fast. The other thing is that the infrastructure makes it faster. So because if your site is like let's say it statically sites that excite statically pre-rendered. Yes and you're having on like in origin server like some e C whatever EC two bucket or whatever S. three bucket. You still need to go to the origin server to get the page and back and so there's this thing called latency that happens so it's like the further you are from the server the longer it takes and it's limited by the speed of light so you can't really increase that and so with the gem stack generally you're solving directly from a CDN and so the cdn makes it much faster because the cdn is different from the origins over Argentina's like it'll be dependent on where you are a so you'd pick like Virginia or wherever else are and with CNN's generally this is concept of edge servers so it's different from an origin several because an origin server has the ability to churn like dynamic things so it runs like Java script or whatever you WanNa throw it it it can churn and do that logic and edge. Node is not as highly functional but it is closer to the user. So I'm in Chicago so this doesn't edge node probably somewhere here. And if I'm requesting page statically rendered I can just grab it from wherever the Chicago notice and so instead of going all day to Virginia. It just gets it from Chicago. So it's much faster this. The latency is automatically reduced. And so that makes it much faster overall just two things. It's not only statically runner but static. It's hosted on edge notes. Yeah that's Yup. Does Google care about that? Is that is a benefit and we know that they factor in speed at least a little bit right. Yeah I think they factor that in I think I hear a lot of the SEO. Thinks so. I've always had arguments with people s you because they're like well even if your site is dynamically rendered. Google can run JAVA script so whatever S. You doesn't matter but I think you do get benefits from statically rendering your content because now the boss just automatically know what you're what you're site is and so the crawler was don't have to do a lot of work and for me that's a benefit but I don't like of course like crawlers. Seo bots are much more highly functional and they were like twenty years ago and people were actually putting html on on servers and so. Yeah but there is. I would argue. There is a benefit from SEO perspective. Obviously that's like an ongoing argument people who are like well. I can still ss our guess. Your benefits Blah Blah Blah. I don't know I mean I think the only fact I know for sure because I saw it in like a video from Google says that if there's literally like no content on the page when we first crawl it and we know that Java scripts going around the contents of there there were not going to Ding you but it does go into a queue in which that It's a week ish. Long Hugh so weak for your first pass and a week every time you change it so that seems like a lot like it doesn't hurt your seo it's just not exactly yes so it's just generally a benefit when you statically render it for for Seo. You're willing to wait a week which I bet. They factor in. How can they not factored in right there? Ready to rock and roll be. Yeah probably probably taken lighthouse into consideration or something. Maybe who knows right well? So that's a lot of gem stack stuff you're also interested and involved in view and stuff a little like how does how does something like that like javascript? Framework like view. What does that have anything to do with the Gemstar? So this Going back to your question on whether spas jam stack there are ways that you can statically render a single page. App like one that's built with view and so you can do that with various thing this like pre rendered dot. Io there's also a pre rendered spa plug in that. I sometimes use that. Essentially will run through my view site and then spit out some static pages which are really nice. So I don't have to do a lot of work. It can still be like blow like news view and I think so part of it is I really like few and I'm really invested in that ecosystem and free work and so for me. It's just trying to find ways that the two can work together. I think also the approach that Oh if you want to be jam site you have to be completely static and you can't use frameworks. This is pretty divisive especially if we want people to build in this particular way we can't just automatically be like no. You can't use your framework that you really like anymore. You have build like Vanilla javascript. Or whatever and so I think. The gems like doesn't discriminate between whether US Vanilla javascript or a single page APP. I think the whole focus is like okay. If you built decided reactor view steadily like figure out a way so you can statically render it and there are lots of ways you can do that. I can't speak to react because I don't I haven't done in a while but gatsby which is one hundred percent react exactly. Yeah they can do so. I think I'm talking more about like create react APP but so we didn't framework within frameworks also like s like static site generator. So view has a couple of this new press which is specifically for doc sites and then. There's also grissom which is more for like blogs or whatever you WANNA use grissom is sort of views solution to not having a Gatz beats like the guests equivalent. And so that's one way to do like static site generator generation stuff with view so you have the functionality of like doing anything like having all of you and then being able to static render but you also have the big similar to gets be have all the graph q all and all the extra like niceties that comes with that whole Framework v presses. The thing you see like whenever you been to any view websites documentation. It's just using Beauprez. Yeah yeah and then Nelson every single nullified docs are also press. Actually that was a huge win. Yeah that was really fun. I get a chuckle when I go to like a new javascript. Framework Beauprez may didn't even attempt to change the beaming. Just the Great Justice Defoe and then next is like the next to the next level. Build your own application from scratch exactly well. Knox this all next this sort of. I don't even know if this is the fair equivalent but it's if it has a very similar architecture to rails in that it scaffolds things for you. I called it. I called it rails for view and I don't know if that's a compliment or people like take that as a compliment but it has similar Ergonomic. It's interesting because Have you had a redwood? Gs It's the new framework is going to talk about next. Because I'm like stack of technology. How can that be jam stack so I was on? I mean they just just to end the previous point. The thing that Tom Press Warner. He calls a redwood the rails for Java script and I was like I don't know if that's compliment ordinance mom because he's like we don't have you don't have a real equivalent of Java script world and I was like I don't know if people liked reels and we want our community or they totally. Do I like Rue de Blasio but I want rails? I don't want people who worked on bundling but it just had a few rough goes in just like mpm isn't am and PM is part of get help now. So those what I think the point of rails as you could be like I want off. I want this air handler thing. I want this cool plug in. That does tags good enough. That's not here register new for then. Yeah so the thing with Redwood that I saw I was actually on a podcast with him on Jazz Party and so we talked a little bit about that because even if you look at Redwood jazz they call it full stack for jam stack and I think I questioned that a little bit because I'm like isn't gem stack full stack and I think the point he was making was that it just so the common argument of the common criticism for the Jack is that you have to pick and some people really enjoy that but some people like I just WanNa site really fast. I don't want the whole like having to decide what e commerce solution I want what I want and all of this having to build all that is like you're not building granted the logic around it but you have to make all those decisions which is a lot and so I read address directly addresses that that you're building a site and then all of these are just decided for you and you're just building with that infrastructure in mind year we just you didn't use PRISMA and prisms like a online database thing. Okay there's data involved then and gems redbirds saying if you're going to access that data you're going to do it through graph Joel Okay. Yeah thanks If you're going to build a front end you're going to do it through react in and saying we're not even GONNA say that we're going to use art. Style of react. Component and that component is highly based on how it goes and gets data and so every component is gonNA say. Well it's in. It can be in one of these states. Then which is you know error or fetching or success or all these things. I like that part of it. But that's just me Nice. It's really nice for that because you don't have to decide. And I think it addresses the people who are just fatigued by having to make decisions but still WANNA use jab stack so directly addresses their pain points but again like redwood is just it's super new and so I think they have a lot more needs to develop a lot more like it's still not super mature. I know they're they're advocating for using it and they're like use it and everything and you're like no it's not mature yet again. Super D. I think that's fair but also the other the tools that it's built from armature you know that shoe for sure. Yeah Yeah. What's final juice? What's the magic juice that take turns all those technology and then makes the gem stock friendly does it pre runner or what? I don't actually know under the hood. It does. I think it Priroda some aspects of it probably the front end piece. Yeah so they'll talks juice. Doc's birthday to say this thing is ready for Jim Stock. Yes so it's got to do something. Yeah so I think the front end components like the web components and everything are pre rendered input on a cdn and then all the other pieces like the databases. The graph q all the the three third party. Api's all Exposed through graphic. You'll end point using civilised functions and I think that's how it works and they also call it like edge ready so it's like ready to be so bad thing that you you've poked at earlier like the the lamb does are doing the heavy lifting here in a way. So it's not. It's not doing the gatsby thing where they are pre making all these files. It doesn't look like it's doing that at other could be wrong gatsby like essentially pulls the API's pulls everything and then gives you static pages and so this is sort of different because it's not doing that. It's not pre rendering every single pay. It's not pre rendering the pages with the content and it's still like available as a civilised functioning very nice. That's not necessary. That lamb does are so good and so fast so cashable that we don't have to do that. Yeah we'll see. We'll see who's going to win. Gatsby redwoods seems one has a giant investor. Yeah yeah both yeah. They both do. That's true yeah and I have invested Zach Leather minutes. Look Lever. He's looking for five to eight million dollar seed around. I do know Maybe it's news as well. What's funny as I went camping On spring break and then come back and there's like eight messages. I felt like in like the shop. Talk twitter like you'd need to talk to redwood and like me I just was like I guess another Dallas thing was born in a user. You know While I was camping But knowing Tom Prisoners like involved. He's so willing to talk so we got him on jazz potty. Which I I was. I was amazed that we did and then we talked him for a bit and he was like. I'm happy to talk to anyone about redwood. I think he's trying to send sticking. Yeah he must be on that kit. 'cause we got him to but not for like another six weeks or something but yeah. We're not as cool as you got them right away. I know we. I think we've been hounding him for a while we've been like can we talk to you I think? Because he's been talking about redwood for a while and so I didn't but but cable did. He jumped on that he was like. Let's try to see if we can get him on. The show and jared was also. They're both like very on the ball on the ball. I get it a nine like I didn't have like a form helper which is actually excellent. That's that it would sell me on this. You know need to be honest like unloved. Form Helpers Different like a not a helper like processor forms but like a real style like labels inputs in errors and errors. And who? Yeah I just said errors and everyone said ooh that just God. We are just a broken species we just just you say it handles errors in everyone looming odd all. I'm checking each day employees peers. Yes well I guess we we kinda maybe need to wrap up here especially because our mowing and that's always good for audio but I'm I guess what if you could forecast like one two three years out where like what what is what does jam stack in in the next like. Should we be moving or or what? What's I think what's Your? I think it's like as I was saying before. It's going to mature a lot more. And so we're going to see as edge nodes get more logic and as you can do more on the edge you'll see a lot more functionality and I think we'll also move away from jam stack being like Java. Api Markup specifically and more into like this whole way of building things at the edge. Because I am actually almost invested in this drunk all the kool-aid it's very much. The more you see a lot of this with cloudflare workers and notifies also building stuff at the edge and so on but that would give people so much more they can do. Your your sites can remain fast. You still get a lot of flexibility in terms of that. The other thing that will I think also start happening is that you'll see a lot. More framework similar to redwood that are like full stack jam stack where decides things for you. So you don't have to make those decisions yourself because I do think that that is something that creates a lot of hesitation for people who want to get on the gem sac that they have to make all these decisions and so on and then the next thing also is that we'll hear more about various migration patterns of how people move to the gem stack. Because I think generally speaking don't hear a lot of that you don't hear a lot of people being like a half this giant monolithic application and then I migrated to gems like this very few of those and so. 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Let's Ride: What will this Jekyll and Hyde Steelers team do when it matters most?

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Let's Ride: What will this Jekyll and Hyde Steelers team do when it matters most?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans going on this is jeff hartman co editor behind a steel curtain dot com with you for another episode of this. Let's ride podcast. You're monday wednesday friday podcast. It's typically at five. Am on mondays during the season day after the game. This runs a twelve pm eastern standard time. Thank you for making me a part of your monday. I hope you're off to a great start. Hack the pittsburgh steelers. Should've gotten you off to a great start as we finally. Oh my gosh finally are able to taste that victory. Monday feeling once again. It's been a while it's been three weeks in the steelers are now twelve and three. They have clinched the afc north. They make philip rivers. Go crying back to indianapolis and a lot can change here in in just a week. We'll talk about that a lot in terms of in the second half of this show. We're going to talk about winners and losers. I'd eight winners and four losers from this week sixteen game at heinz field as well as to rest or not to rest players. That'll be at the very end of the show. It makes you stay tuned. But first and foremost i want to talk about the headline of this episode. The title of this episode. What will this. Jekyll and hyde steelers team do when it matters most. That's that's what's on. Everyone's mind right now. This is literally like watching two different teams every single week. That's what it's like. It is trying to figure out which team is which which teams going to show up which players going to show up at specific positions. No one knows. I've had so many people hit me up on twitter and say jeff. What's going on with this offense. What are you fix in. There are times in my life. Where i've been able to kind of have a really good finger on the pulse of okay. If they could do this or that. I think they would success honestly the last three weeks. It's literally putting your hands in year. Saying i have no clue i got. I got nothing. I have nothing outside of just saying this burger needs to play better. I've got nothing. So when i thought about this team when i thought about this game it literally. And it's not just the tale of two halves for me. Everyone's gonna talk about that. The tale of two halves in a very apropos. I get it but at the same time. I think that this team is more dr. Jekyll and mr hyde. If you're familiar with that story you know the doctor. Jekyll was he was like the quiet guy. He was the the doctor that did his job. But then he when he when he turned into mr high will. Mr hyde was dangerous and mr hyde was he was. He was the guy that dr. Jekyll got addicted to being. He got addicted to being that that persona that person. So for me dr. Jekyll is the steelers. The last three weeks mister is. The team came storming back in the second half against the colts to win in week. Sixteen and that was such a big win for many reasons. Dr jekyll is the steelers. Barely beating the brand. The upstart barely beating the ravens at heinz field and mr hyde is the team that went on an to know run. So what is this team. Which which is is it. Dr jekyll or is this really. Mr hyde was week. sixteen comeback. Nothing more than just a well. They got lucky. You know the the colts did this. The colts that the steelers got some calls here. There was that what it was or is this. Maybe the turning point for this team. That's talk about first. Let's talk about what it is about this. Dr jekyll steelers team okay. Well what defines the team when they're struggling. What defines the team when they're not having success will first and foremost it's abysmal. Offense look at the first half of the pittsburgh steelers win over the colts in week. Sixteen ben rothlisberger had ninety yards passing ninety yards. He ended up throwing for three hundred and forty two and he had ninety yards passing in the first half. You'd think about that. That's a horrible. This users had twenty yards rushing in the entire game on fourteen carries. I understand that when you're playing from behind that's that that makes a difference. Get it but at the same time. Ninety yards passing twenty yards rushing their third down. Offense is just they struggle. it's situational football third and shorts. There were times. There are times where. I'd rather the steelers have a third and five and a third one and that's horrible to say really. Is you have a defense. That just can't stop the run. Am i alone in thinking that. When i think back to that game and i said this during the game i got to watch this game with my dad which was which i haven't watched the game. It's two thousand and eighteen with him. He was in town celebrating the holiday and we got to watch the game together. And i said i feel like every time. Jonathan taylor touches the football. He's going to have at least five yards rushing. That's just the steelers defensive from was getting pushed around. We know the strength of that in indianapolis colts offensive line is in the interior with quinton nelson and company employees. Were they just moving. Bodies and jonathan taylor is a tremendous talent as well. I think he finished with an average of four point seven yards per carry. It just seemed like my goodness. They can't stop the run to save their life and for some unknown reason. I have no idea why the colts did this. They got away from the running game in the second half. This almost was a in my opinion. a lot. like the steelers game against the houston texans at heinz field. You remember in the first half the steelers could do nothing. They they couldn't they couldn't stop anything. And then in the second half the texans got completely away from what from what was working in the first half and the steelers were able to come back. Same thing happened in week. Sixteen this is also the doctor. Jekyll steelers is also a a defense in team. I guess you should say the thrives in survives on turnovers. And if they don't get them boy they're in trouble if they don't get the turnovers takeaways they're in trouble now. They got to against the colts and that was a huge plays none larger than the tj watch trips act which was recovered by mike hilton. Return to the three yard line and the steelers punched it. In james conner rushing touchdown get the feeling if they didn't get that play. The steelers weren't going to score a point in the first half period. It was it was awful. Abysmal is not even good enough adjective to describe the steelers offense in the first half but the problem is is that i am not the only person that feels this way. That turnovers come in bunches. Sometimes you get to in the game which the colts had not turned the ball over lot by the way and they're able to get to but at the same time there's been games like the last two weeks they hadn't gotten any so the pittsburgh steelers. That's what happens when you have to depend on that. And that's the key. I'm not saying the takeaways or bad. Trust me. they're not but when you have to depend on those that's bad because if you don't get them you're screwed and that's exactly what we've seen. I'm starting to last week against. Cincinnati was a very good example that you also these questionable coaching decisions. Whether it's randy feet ner with his. I don't know sometimes it feels like he's just throwing stuff against the wall like he's literally going through his play sheet in it's just perverted like throwing stuff against the proverbial wall just like maybe something will stick. I'm gonna try this now note. That didn't work. I'm gonna try this now. It just doesn't seem like there's ever any calculated decisions that are being made. It just seems like they're constantly just grasping at straws. Yeh i don't get it. I don't get it but then even look at the end of the first half. Pittsburgh has three timeouts remaining. Philip rivers face on third and fifteen. Maybe even longer than that. They don't call time out. They don't call time out there for the steelers. Don't have an opportunity to really add points on the board at the end of the half. And i get it with matthew right. There were very limited in terms of their field. Goal range of chris. Boswell we're kicking. that would be a different story. You just can't make those mistakes though in. That's the type of stuff that happens when these dr. Jekyll steelers are on the football field. It's just it is is exactly now. What is the alternative. Who are the mr hyde. Steelers the steelers. That will come out and they will dictate to the opposition. Whether it's offense or defense does not matter who were the who are the mr hyde steelers are gonna come out and say you know what we're going to tell you what you're gonna do. We're going to show you that you can't stop it either way. So first and foremost is a creative offense. You saw it in the second half against the colts you saw the pittsburgh steelers offense show some creativity. It was the fact that you know it. All started with touchdown. Pass a deontay johnson. That was the key that was the first play that was almost like what ignited the offense. And then you saw the scene passes to chase claypool. Utah juju smith schuster. Down the scene. You saw eric ebron in the flat. You saw screen passes to james conner. You saw james conner being utilized in the passing game in a variety of ways. These were things that we have not seen from steelers offense. I'm not joking you since lady on bell was a prime member of the steelers offense what we saw from the steelers in week sixteen especially in the second half looked very similar to the steelers when bell was having breakouts seasons if they can utilize either benny snell or james conner. I don't care which that way all the time. If they're going to know the defense is going to rush and they're going to really bring pressure all you have to do is get that little dump off pass to connor or snell and let them do the rest. It was creative. That's the one thing. I want to keep emphasizing. It was creative in. That's something the steelers have struggled with. I talked about questionable coaching. Decisions with the doctor. Jekyll steelers will with mr hyde. They actually have some creativity on offense but it also goes to defense making very calculated risks about when they're going to send pressure like when you're going to send mike hill nothi edge when you're just gonna rely on rushing three or four. When you're going to send vince williams or avery williamson up the middle on that zone dog blitz. They love to run that. I can still remember watching that stunt between barrier and foot where they would cross over a back in the day. They did it all the time. They don't run that too much anymore because they're not in their based events very often but still being very calculated creative. Offense and creative defense are very big components of what would be considered the mr hyde steelers also offensively using the entire football field. A look back to the first half. Look back to the game against the bengals on monday night football and he saw the steelers they would only throw the ball outside the hashes they they never really attack the middle of the football field and when you don't attack the middle of the football field and i understand that gets into into some very risky situations in the middle of the football field but you have to use the entire field offensively when the steelers do that in this really started when claypool caught that catch down the scene once he started to get involved again. Everything else seemed to open up because the defense now said okay. Dj diontae johnson. Deep ball for a touchdown that might be considered a fluke but all of a sudden chase claypool gets going and he's hitting in their connecting down the seem now all of a sudden we have issues. Because if we're going to send a safety to help their now. You've diontae johnson one on one eric ebron with a favorable matchup. You juju smith schuster still to deal with. That's when the steelers offense becomes very versatile and they become very very dangerous. Also i think you look back at the defense. So the mr hyde steelers on defense is when they make a team one dimensional. They stop the run to the point where they are creating third and longs obvious passing situations which allows them even if. It's just the front four to pin their ears back in get after the quarterback when even alex highsmith is is very adept at rushing the quarterback if he struggles he struggles in run support. It's not in pass rushing and when you look at the steelers and tj white when he knows especially with quarterback philip rivers who's not noble when nino's that they're gonna throw and he knows that he can just pin his ears back just rush. The passer always think back to bill. Cowher hitting greg ward on the shoulder pads rush the passer. That's what when tj walk and do just that and he doesn't have to worry about rpo's he doesn't have to worry about you know draws or anything like that he is deadly in. That's what the steelers defense needs to be able to focus on in this. Mr hyde steelers defense. Where stop the run. Don't give them that. Third and manageable create third and longs in. Lao your pass rush. Which is the best in the nfl to do its thing. that's key. Lastly coaching adjustments. You can't deny the fact that coaching adjustments were made on sunday with the indianapolis. Colts can't say well. This is just ben being. No i mean there have to be adjustments. Made from the coaches down onto the players. The players have to execute. The plan has to be there as well. I saw a lot of adjustments booth on offense and defense. I thought that the steelers coaching staff deserves a lot of credit. Maybe not a ton of credit but a lot of credit for the adjustments that they did make. I think that that's crucial for the steelers. Success down the stretch run because if they can't adjust they're done they're dead. They're dead in the water because even if they have a great first half. Think back to the tennessee game. Great first half i mean. They're clicking on all cylinders. What happens in the second half failures to adjust. The other team adjusts and now all of a sudden you find yourself in a dogfight the team that can adjust throughout the game and be dominant and in that process of the team that can blow out opponents. The steelers don't typically do that. I understand but if they can start to find their groove and maybe this three game losing streak wasn't maybe meteo turn out to be a blessing in disguise. We won't know this until the season's over but if the steelers somehow someway find a way to get red hot make in win a super bowl they might just look back at that three game losing streak and say you know what maybe that was. Just what the doctor ordered because maybe we put our eagles to the side. Maybe we started to figure things out. And maybe because of that three game losing streak we were able to really define who. We are at the very best time in the season. Maybe maybe that'll happen. Maybe it won't. I don't know so. Which one is this team. This twenty twenty steelers team. Or dr jekyll or they mr hyde but right now you get a little bit of both and it's been this way for a long time you'll have great players. You have great great quarters and you'll have ones that you literally have you scratching your head wondering how can this team that is now. Twelve and three. Be this inept in certain situations. How can this team. That was eleven. No be so bad in certain situations and then you'll have moments where this team that has lost three games in a row. You're saying how in the world they lose three in a row when they can look this good. I the scariest thing to me about. This team is not the potential or anything that it is the fact that it the steelers right now seem like a light switch. They can be turned on and off just like that just like that. That's scary because right when you think. They're in a groove. The offense can fall apart. The defense can give up a long drive. It's an issue period. They need to find some level of consistency. But honestly this team is capable of being mr hyde. But we've seen way too much dr jekyll to think they've turned that proverbial corner. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen because they have a lot of decisions to make mike tomlin and his coaching staff have some tough decisions to make with week. Seventeen in regards to are they or are they not going to rest players are they or are they not going to take a look at you. Know how they're going to approach certain things. There's a lot of question marks surrounding this team moving into week. Seventeen and into the playoffs. And we're gonna talk about this. Game winners and losers. That's what we always do here after the game we're gonna do winners and losers in talk about to rest or not to rest players to finish out the show. We'll be right back after this Support for this. Podcast comes from neutrogena. Hydro boost does your day last all day. Keep your skin dewey. Soft and smooth all day with neutrogena hydro boost the new hyler onic acid serum quenches skin with two sizes of hyler onic. Acid dermatologist recommended glycerin vitamin b. Five and kiwi extract just apply in the morning for weightless fragrance free hydration that reaches nine layers of skin and then seals it in for twenty four hours or parrot with neutrogena hydro boost water gel for four times the hydrating power de-stress rehydrate with premium. Skin care at home and on your schedule. Neutrogena hydro boost tyler onic. Acid serum stay dewey soft and drenched in hydration learn more at neutrogena dot com. All right pittsburgh steeler events. Welcome back to the second segment of this. Let's ride podcast. I'm jeff hartmann competitor behind the curtain dot com. That should be your one stop shop by the way for all things pittsburgh steelers my goodness that is we have some tremendous stuff on the website. Today if you haven't checked it out. Be sure i gotta be honest if i'm gonna tell you to check out any article if i'm like saying man you really got to check these out. I always recommend you check out. Dave scofield's by the numbers article after the game where he dives into the stats get. That's a must read every week. If you're looking for just some fun reading check out the players on social media when after a win take all the tweets and put them into an article. Just steven nelson was really pissed off by the way after that game so you have to check that out But also kevin's kevin smith who is a contributor to the podcast side. He does the pre game show with brian. Anthony davis he's also a film room guy for us for behind the curtain. Com did a great article on how the colts and half and what it meant for the steelers. So check that out. But let's get into the winners and losers. This is an article. I write for the website. But if you don't want to read about it here we are eight. Winners in four losers. Let's get right into things. The top winner surprise surprise. Mr benjamin todd rothlisberger ben rothlisberger stat. Line listen to this thirty four for forty nine three hundred and forty two yards. He had a seven yard. Average three touchdowns no picks one sack for nine yards and a one of nine point four rating. But i am ben. Rothlisberger was nothing to write home about. We all know that he was struggling like he had the previous three weeks on route to throwing ninety yards through two quarters however the second half rothlisberger. Well that look more. Like the big ben that we've seen since two thousand and four a you know that that huge second half i feel erased the bad from earlier in the game and maybe it shouldn't have but it does at least mentally and it has this team riding high for now for now. I'll put that in there. I think rothlisberger performance could have earned him some much needed rest in week seventeen. We'll put it that way the next winter. Tj watt three tackles three solo two sacks one tackle for loss. One quarterback hid in one forced fumble. A you know a player has reached another level when they can register a game like what had versus the colts and a really good game in the general consensus from the family is a yeah while it was good. That's kind of where we are and what was good. I mean what might be the most impressive thing. That aspect of watts game is no matter. What else happens. I mean they. Bud dupree gone or steph onto its out or you know whoever the whatever the case may be. He continues to produce his stats. Speak for himself. This comes from the steelers official website. Listen to these stats. He's the first player in steelers history with fourteen plus acts in multiple seasons seventh player to register at least fifteen sacks and twenty four tackles for loss in a single season since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and he's the fourteen player in nfl history with at least fourteen and a half sacks in back to back seasons so those are not just steelers history. Marcy franchise history. These are nfs and these are nfl marks. So keep that in mind setting new levels for steelers pass rushers and i think it's safe to say this is something that brian. Anthony davis has been saying for a long time that. Tj watt is on his way to do not just passing james harrison for the overall franchise mark for saks blowing the doors off. And he's on pace to do it faster than you would ever think but tj wad for sure deserves to be a winner after week. Sixteen next winter. Diontae johnson eight receptions seventy five yards and nine point four average one touchdown that thirty nine yard long came on that touchdown reception. He was targeted fourteen times. I think if you if you want to look why. He's in the winter column. Why dante johnson's in the winters call him this week. I think you have to go back to the narrative surrounding him entering the week. Sixteen game versus the bengals. Go back to the lead up to that bengals game and you'll see it was just dropped drops in more jobs as everyone's talking about what's he done since. Well i don't think he's at a drop since. Yeah he there might have been some passes that he could have hold in. But when you down to the passes that i felt he should have caught not could have should have caught. I think he's been pretty much perfect. Doug johnson is not a perfect player. He's not a perfect receiver. But he is a very key cog in the steelers offense when he is on this steelers. Offense is a different level so they need him to remain consistent to hopefully put those drops in the past. He was the guy he was the player that ignited that offense with that huge touchdown in that earns them a spot on the winters next winter. Juju smith schuster nine catches ninety six yards a ten point. Seven average one touchdown twenty five yard long. They came on his touchdown reception and he was targeted thirteen times. It's crazy to think. Juju smith schuster was just four yards away from cracking the one hundred yard plateau. And that's something he's only done once. He is only done one. Since antonio brown left the steelers. Think about that. However it doesn't mean that smith schuster hasn't been a valuable member of the offense. I think i would argue that smith schuster as one of the most valuable players on the steelers offense and he proved that with some may tough catches tough yards in the tough parts of the field. After he dropped touchdown reception early in the game. I think he made up. For with big touchdown. Catch we talked about the twenty. Five yard brought the steelers back within striking distance. A huge performance in huge game. I miss schuster definitely a winner next winter. Mike hilton four tackles two solo to pass. Defenses one fumble recovery and one interception. You look at all the impending free agents for the steelers all of them. You talk james conner. Juju smith schuster camp sutton. Bud debris look mike. Hilton is slowly pushing his way. To the top of that list. In terms of priority players at the steelers should keep and not only had a great season. I feel like he's finally one hundred percent after that shoulder injury which he missed several games in the middle of the season. I would say right now. Hilton is having a devon. Bush like season where it just seems like the football finds him. You talked about that. Fumble that fumble for philip rivers the ball's bouncing around in the there's mike hilton. It just find. The interception was a key turning point. Game hilton's earning himself some money this season. We'll put it that way. Whether it's with pittsburgh or somewhere else has yet to be seen all right. Next winter steph onto two tackles two solo. One sack one pass defense. One tackle for loss in two quarterback hits a lot of people. Have been down on steph onto dave. Scofield was one of them. He said the expects to to step up one play. Better yada yada. I think he did i in this was a game. I wasn't sure if i'd put to it on the winners list but then when you look at the box gory like man that's kind of change my mind. His sack is past events tackle for loss ability his ability to just harass philip rivers with something steelers desperately needed is to it's still dealing with lingering effects of covid maybe is he banged up. I mean he missed practice time with the back. Maybe no one really knows but it was good to see to a definitely snap out of a short term funk. Oh and by the way in case you didn't know to. It has registered ten sacks this season. He is the last time. A steeler defensive lineman registered double digit sacks was in two thousand and seventeen when cam heyward had twelve so too. It's having a very quiet career year for the pittsburgh steelers next winter takeaways. Yeah the steelers defense taking the ball away at one forced fumble in recovery and they had an interception the steelers takeaways a dried up the past few weeks and when they come they came back in a big wave versus the colts in week. Sixteen there to takeaways were big big component of the steelers winning. I think about it. Without watt strip sack in hilton's recovery slash return. You know my goodness i. Don't think the steelers offense would have scored any points in the first half the steelers seven takeaways. They have twenty-seven take on the year tied with the miami dolphins for the most in the nfl in their plus ten in turnover. Differential is now tied for second in the league to keep that in mind. Second half adjustments they. That's the next winter. It has to be second half adjustments. Three three-point surrendered in twenty one point scored what happened. What changed was the comeback. More about the colts. Stop and they they. They stopped running the football. That i don't know why but they did or their defense just completely backed off. Was it more the colts and it was a sealer at this point. I really don't care. the steelers. Second half was great in the coaches and players deserve a ton of credit for the bounce. Back in this tale of two halves. I i know i talked about that. In early. part of the show. The steelers stood tall when it matters most period period. All right to eight winners. Let's go to the losers four losers in this. I'm going to start off with the running game. Twenty yards as the steelers had twenty yards on. Fourteen attempts in twelve of those yards came on one. Run by james conner. This deal is only ran the ball fourteen times so it's not like they ran at thirty five times and only twenty yards at the same time. Only see twenty yards rushing on the ground for the steelers. I it's very disheartening. In the weakness of this defense was their secondary is their secondary. But and i didn't shock me at all that the dealers threw the ball to win on sunday. You know you'd think about it too when trailing by seventeen point you're gonna you're gonna have to go one dimensional deport a comeback. But the steelers are fortunate to win these games but man the running game continues to be a mystery next loser. The third down offense they finished four for eleven in his third down situations. The steelers the first half i mean it was. It certainly heard this this the distant third down offense but the last time i checked. They're four quarters in a game and not just to see though the second half was better the first half was awful and we talked about his third short situations with the steelers fail. Just is mind boggling. absolutely mind boggling. If they can just fix the third and short situations. I think it would cure a lot of those for the steelers offense next the first half offense in the first half even so the winter was the second half offense and defense. Loser is the first half offense defense. They surrendered twenty one points in the only scored seven in a large part. Because of the defense nothing was working for the steelers. They couldn't stop the run. They can do anything offensively and it just goes to show you that there starts. The steelers starts to games have been awful and it needs to change quick or the steelers playoff run. My just be that quick. They can't fall behind like this every single week. They fell behind against the bills. On sunday night football. They fell behind against the bengals. Because turnovers on on monday night football. They just can't do this weekend and week out. They have to come out to better starts. What is the fix. I wish i knew. I really wish i knew last loser. The run defense they gave up one hundred and twenty seven yards on seven carries giving up a four and a half yard average to indianapolis colts in most weeks. I get these questions from other espy nation websites and a lot of times. I get asked you know. What can you crack the code for the steelers stevens. What are what are we have to do whatever team they're playing so this upcoming week it'd be the browns. What are the browns. Have to do to crack the steelers. And i always say the same thing you have to be able to run the ball if you can't run the ball you're screwed but if you can run the ball i feel like you can crack the steelers defensive code because when you the steelers if they've struggled anywhere on defense it's in the run in run defense. They've struggled to stop the run. And that was the case against jonathan taylor and the colts. They've now given up the steelers. Now average giving up one zero six point one yards per game hundred six point one yards per game on the ground that's eight and league and that's their lowest ranking out of all major four categories. We're talking passing yards allowed. Total yards points per game in rushing yards allowed so if the defense can make teams one dimensional in. Stop the run. Better boys gonna play right into the hands of their elite pass rush. That's that's definitely a loser if they did win the game but my goodness the run defense has to improve period has to get better. No doubt about it all right. I wanna finish this show up after we go through those winners and losers eight winners and losers there to rest or not to rest the players. That's what everyone is talking about right now. Should this dealers or shouldn't the steelers actually rest their starters in week. Seventeen when they go to cleveland. Now the steelers winning on sunday at heinz field means that they clinched the afc. North now pending. What happens monday night against the patriots and bills will depend on whether this ios could possibly move into the to spot in the afc playoff race. I don't think there's too much difference between the two and three seed in the afc playoff picture. Some will say well. If you're the seed you're going to be playing at home until you play the number one seed or should i say if you play the number one seat and i get that i do get that but at the same time the steelers could definitely take a. We're going to rest players approach on week. Seventeen should they while some people say that they shouldn't some people say that might thomas look. We've been playing like garbage and up until the second half we we were garbage and week. Sixteen we're gonna play our guys. We might not plan the whole game. We're going to get him out there and get them some reps. If he decides to do that. I have no problem with it. However if i'm the coach i'm definitely keeping certain players out of this upcoming game for obvious reasons now. Just i'm gonna give you the list of players that i would rest. If i'm going to do that. And the reason why linda choose these players is because the steelers have the depth along their offense of line or defensive lines or defense whatever. You can't just say we've got arrest everyone. Because then you don't have enough for a team. You have to be able to distill fuel to roster so when i say i'm arrest some of these players it's because they have the depth on their roster positions to actually afford to do so so first and foremost rothlisberger. His arm looks tired. Although it looked lively in the second half. I think he could do. I think having a week off would do him. Well just don't practice just literally if you're going to throw balls receivers that's one thing but we're we're literally wanting you to rest your body to get right for that first. Wildcard that wildcard playoff game. That's huge have mason rudolph the the starter joshua dobbs dress for the first time this season. You'll be okay. Send mason rudolph to cleveland back to where the scene of the crime that thursday night game last year in two thousand nineteen where myles garrett and rudolf got to that whole scandal which is still being talked about have him. Go up there to cleveland in say. Hey knock him out of the playoffs. You know get get revenge that way. I would also sit marquees pounds lead. Jc half an hour play in a game. I think he'll be just fine pounds as a player that you need pounds as a player that you want to have healthy for the postseason. So i would sit marquees pouncey i would also say david decastro the thing about this though. Is it all hinges on getting derwin. Gray back on the roster. They had the waiver when grave. They can get him back on the roster then you can put him in there and have him play not they might have to play decastro because they're just so thin guard so that's a positive. But if they can rest him rest him and then even big alejandro villanueva. Maybe he's a player that starts the game and they take him out and put in gerald hawkins. That's a possibility but you might wanna address him because you need that tackle but at the same time if they can afford to rest big al i would rest in because if maybe he's a little dinged up. Maybe that's why he's been playing poorly. But i would arrest him and again. There's going to be people that sit here and listen. Say jeff you're nuts. These guys have not been playing that. Well how did they deserve a day off or a week off. Its they deserve it. It's that they could benefit from it and that's key defensively. I'd give cam heyward the week off. They have a ton of players on the defensive front. They could have isaiah bugs stress. They have carlos. Davis who play has been playing a lot. They have henry. Mondo they can fill those gaps i would. Tj wad is is definitely a tough one for me. Years fifteen sacks. He only needs one more to. I think it's to tied james harrison single season. Mark for the steelers. I don't know how much that means. The what but you saw him limbaugh field even on sunday. It would be nice to make sure he is as fresh as fresh can be heading into the playoffs if i can convince him well i guess if i'm the coach i have to tell them. Hey you're not playing. I might rest. Tj watt you. Let cassius. Marsh you alex smith. Hopefully ola danielle was be back. Ms last week because of a shoulder injury let some. There's other pass rushers get some reps. Jane elliott i let them let them go out and play. Because maybe maybe just maybe getting. Tj what healthy minka fitzpatrick is another player. That i would. I would rest. They have sean. Davis is deals. Could put sean davis out there and be just fine. But i'm looking at players that you just can't afford to lose you just can't afford to lose. Maybe maybe joe haden gets another one. Get some rest. Because maybe he's an older player he could use the the benefit of a week off steph onto it just like cam heyward you might want to arrest him but again some of these players cam into it and even hayden. Maybe you say to them. Hey we're gonna start you but we're looking to pull you at some point just to get you out there to get you some raps to get you feel good about yourself headed to the playoffs. That's that's potentially what the steelers could do to rest or not arrest the players. I think you saw. I definitely think you do. I think you have to be smart about it. Especially the guy like rothlisberger. That's the only player they rest. They say everyone else is gonna play. Be fine with that to be fine with that too. let me know what you think find me on twitter at j hartman underscore piatti. Let me know what you think about resting. Players would be curious to hear your thoughts and remember folks behind the steel curtain dot. Com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers. i'm jeff hartmann. The co editor of said website remember. Dc god bless to see on wednesday. Did we go steal don the burden on.

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The President Without A Psychology

Trumpcast

12:19 min | 1 year ago

The President Without A Psychology

"Hello Virginia Heffernan here. What you're about to hear is a teaser. For today's episode of trump cast which is available in full for slate plus members. Only see how tempted you are now to sign up for slate. Plus we've made one in four episodes exclusive to slate plus members because they help support the work we do on trump cast to sign up in this episode every episode of trump cast in full. Please VISIT SLATE DOT COM SLASH. Trump cast plus. It's only thirty five dollars for the first year. And you'll get other benefits like ad free podcasts and discounted tickets to live slate events so sign up now at slate dot com slash trump cast plus and. Thanks for listening. Hello and welcome to trump cast Virginia Heffernan by guest today to talk about trump's strange psychology is Dan p Adams he's a psychologist who for decades has studied. The Psychology of American presidents is book is called the strange case of Donald J trump a psychological reckoning Dan. Welcome to trump cast. Thank you so you've got this book out the strange case of Donald J trump at title. I love because it draws on the science fiction story. We all know or think we know the strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde. You really draw in parallel. I do indeed in a in a weird way though because in a sense the case of Donald J trump is the opposite really at the strange case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde in a nutshell in this strange case of Dr Jekyll Mister High. The reader learns that one person is in fact. Two things that an individual's much more complicated and diverse and differentiated than than we expect. But in the case of Mr Trump. There's all this expectation out there that he's many different things that he's complicated that there is a private trump up public trump and that we need to get behind them ask but the primal fact of it is that there is one singular trump and this sort of. I think freaks people out are not ready for that kind of primal singularity and a person's life so Jekyll and Hyde. You have two different characters. Shackles the public person and hide is the deep beast within him and within the same body. Mr Trump you have one primal character and it's Mr Hyde. Yeah that I love when you say this. What if he's Mr Hyde without the Jackal without the doctor? Jekyll and what I remember from that book and surprisingly I have read recently is a how good it feels to Dr Jekyll to become Mr Hyde and be. How kind of electrifying an exciting Mr Hyde is. He's not he's not it he's he's not repellent he's not as though you take one look at him and he's kind of monstrous. There's something alive someone doing some cocaine or something. It makes them a little bit insufferable and a little bit magnetic that's correct He's very much alive now in Dr chuckles mind or view. He's a bit repellent. But in general yeah hide has power. He has lifeforce. He's a very strong character but he's driven. Basically by the deepest darkest kinds of motives service least. That was how it was seen back. When the story was written Sur? Yes sort of an aide or something but what? I what I liked that you point out that this account your account of trump not being divided are lacking depth. Psychology altogether is part of his charisma. That there's something appealing about someone who's not faking it or or WHO's at one with this kind of present moment while it's an interesting thing. Donald Trump is always faking but donald trump is. He is an extraordinarily authentic fake which is to say the Donald Trump is always playing the role of Donald Trump. And so we expect. Well Yeah but you know what he's by himself and he's been his kids what he's doing now he's he's different not. Donald trump is always in who'll he's always on stage because that is indeed who he is. He is the ultimate performer. In that regard. And you're right about the charisma and that goes to something else. Probably the central idea in the book. And that is that In addition to there being kind of Cebu Larrabee to Donald Trump he is what I call the episodic man and by what I mean by that is he lives like high in the currently vibrant emotional moment. He doesn't live going forward very far. He doesn't live in the past. He doesn't go backwards very far. He doesn't go deep. He doesn't sort of White. Most of the rest of us have a story about his life that he's living out chapter by chapter seen by seeing instead. He's right there in the episode. He's right there in the moment in the angry combative moment seeking to win the moment and that presence in the moment I think makes him seen extraordinarily authentic to many of his supporters. Too many of his detractors. It it doesn't necessarily endear him but to his supporters he. That is part where I think this thing about the authenticity Is is really really true. I mean he's he's so authentic and that he's always playing this one bowl you know when you say he's fake and he's always fake and that that may suggest that he's not divided the same way. Dr. JEKYLL and Mr Hyde are But that he leaves in this social spacer in this performance. So he doesn't. He doesn't quite look in the mirror. And I know that you want to come to an instance you. You mentioned where Marc Singer asked him what he what he thinks about himself when he looks in the Mirror. But let's say when he looks in the mirror he doesn't say I'm wearing. This isn't my real hair. This isn't my real complex color of my complexion that there's another thing under this literally under the physical facade that is you know the Donald Trump that is a mother son that was born on a certain date that you know was once fourteen months. Whatever that I you know somehow you get the feeling that he thinks that even just his posed in the world is co extensive with him. That's right think I mean at some level. Donald Trump knows you now. He was born of mother and father and he grew up in Queens. Any wet too Your Military Academy and he had a career in real estate and really tell me has a sense of the sequence of his life. He's it's not like he has no understanding of that but it's not really pressing or relevant in terms of how he goes about his daily business. Most of us have one eye on the past and one eye on the future as we move through life we just say we've lived within a kite ongoing narrative that we're creating about our life. This is basically what I studied. By the way I've devoted thirty years of my life. A twenty five years studying how people create stories for life and now today in the year twenty twenty. I have found the exception to the rule. The most powerful man on the planet who's psychology is indeed quite strange in that the doesn't do what the rest of us to for the most part and that is to create what we call psychology a narrative identity or a story in his mind about how he came to be who he is and where his life is going. He has very little by way of that. He is not retrospective. He's not prospected. He's not introspective. He's right here now and I think there are strengths to that kind of psychology as bizarre as it is because I don't see it and hardly anybody else but there are also extraordinary limitations to that kind of the kind of approach to your life as well you know when when I We first started this show now far. Too Long Ago We had discussions. You probably remember. I mean out of the gate in twenty twenty twenty sixty and there were people saying. This kind of person is in particular the go-to diagnosis weather. Ne Was a narcissist. He reminds of my ex wife. My father Any other kind of brutal an annoyance in my life and we entertain just about every diagnosis of hammer every announce psychological analysis of him on the show possible And I at some point. Sorta throughout my hands and thought. I'm not traded all psychologist but I did philosophy as matter graduate and in philosophy. There's the notion of the solid system of the present moment and he's Mora troublemaker in a philosophical seminar. But he's a person who says you know as you're spending time pouring over rationalists descriptions of human nature and so on that. Oh maybe we're all just brains in vats being poked by some master some master robot or God or whatever to have these fleeting sensations in the present moment and then they pass and they're irrelevant and it's at the at the seminar table at least that's like Such a reductive argument posed a strike. That it disqualifies you from further conversation. It's just not sporting right and there's a little bit where where where I think you've found much more robust philosophical terms for what I was getting at. Which is he's just not in the game of shared psychological space. That's interesting way to put it. Yes you're right he's not. I mean I've spent four years studying. Donald TRUMP I Began about exactly four years ago and I spent a lot of time trying to normalize it and try to find categories within psychology that fit and It's it's that's one of the that's the other reason that the book is called the strange case. He is way stranger than any diagnosis. You can put out there. I agree by the way with the general view and that the American Psychiatric Association takes psychologists should not get we are ethically prohibited from diagnosing with mental. Illness is so right now. I mean I know people said okay narcissistic personality disorder. They talked about him as showing anti anti social personality. Disorder medical terms within the diagnostic and statistical manuals hearing interesting. They are useful. I guess as categories. I don't use them first of all because I'm not trained to do exactly. I don't think they're helpful. They don't help us understand how he came to be in years. So if some psychiatrists wants to say. Mr Trump is suffering from site some psychiatric illness. Let's call it narcissistic personality disorder. I say whatever okay maybe I mean. Lincoln had chronic depression. Johnson was paranoid. I mean this is. He would not be the first president to suffer from some kind of psychiatric disorder. Put in my mind. It's more or less irrelevant. It doesn't really help us understand what he's about how he's functioning in my in the book. I tried argued by contrast that. It's really about this sense of self. This idea that he is the episode man. Living in the moment and I don't know many people who are highly narcissistic who have that particular feature. Yes of course. Donald trump is very narcissistic person. No doubt about that. He thinks about himself all the time. He promotes his own his own. Self above and beyond. Maybe you know arguably almost anybody else on the planet. But that's not that interesting to me the it's the episodic feature of his life the fact that he is in the moment fighting to win the moment for better and for worse that I think is the key. That was our preview. Aren't you compelled to hear more? You can just sign up for slate. Plus at slate dot com slash trump cast plus to listen to the full episode and get podcasts without ads that slate dot com slash trump cast plus.

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Ignatius Sancho

Stuff You Missed in History Class

39:56 min | 10 months ago

Ignatius Sancho

"This episode of Steffi missed in history. Classes brought to you by Schmidt's naturals. Schmitz is the natural deodorant that works. Schmitz is never formulated with aluminum or artificial fragrance with coconut, oil and essential oils. It keeps you fresh all day naturally, so Schmitz is the natural deodorant that works it is certified. vegan certified cruelty. Free aluminum free with no artificial fragrances visit Schmitz. To learn more or to find it at a retailer near you. Guys bobby bones I host. The bobby bones show and pretty much always sleepy because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple hours later I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we radio show wisher allies. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world if he possibly can, and we look through the news of the day that your care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too. So wake up with a bunch of my friends. On Ninety eight point seven W M Z Q in Washington DC, or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP. Welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. A production of iheartradio. Hello and welcome to the podcast I'm Tracy Wilson. I'M HOLLY FRY May. We are going to talk about Ignatius Sancho? Who among a number of other? I was the first black Britain to vote in a parliamentary election that happened in seventeen, seventy four. He became something of a celebrity in eighteenth century, London but documentation of his life. especially, his early life is a little bit spotty today I. We should talk a little bit about the world. That Ignatius Sancho lived in during his lifetime. England's population grew from about six and a half to about seven million people, and somewhere between fifteen, thousand and twenty, thousand of them were black. Most of England's black population lived in cities with two thirds or more living in London, but these are really really approximate. The first British census wasn't conducted until eighteen. O One, so these are definitely estimations. Slavery was legal and practiced in England so some of. Of this population that we're talking about was enslaved many of England's black population work household staff, wealthy people considered it fashionable to have specifically black household help whether enslaved or free one trend was to have black, valid or made who acted as a personal assistant or a travelling companion as well as a conversation piece for other white aristocrats. I said valid instead of Valet because I've been watching a lot of doubt natty. Yeah, that's how you do. of course regardless of whether they were free or enslaved, not every black person in England was doing domestic work. Many were or had been sailors and many former sailors worked as laborers. Laborers or dockworkers, black workers also took industrial jobs in cities, including things like processing and repackaging imported goods like sugar and tobacco, which had been grown in the Americas using slave labor, eighteenth century England was also home to black performers and musicians as well as black music, teachers and composers, although some were recruited or conscripted for things like regimental bands. It wasn't particularly common for black performers to gain access to other white ensembles or white performance spaces, instead many black musicians performed at home, and within an evolving black social scene, and the words of a seventeen sixty four article in the London chronicle quote among the sundry fashionable routes or clubs. Clubs that are held in town that of the blacks or the Negro servants is not the least Wednesday last, no less than fifty seven of them, men and women, Sept Drank and entertain themselves with dancing and music, consisting of violins, French horns and other instruments at a public house in Fleet Street till four in the morning, no whites were allowed to be present for all the performers were all black, while most of England's black population had come or been brought from the Americas, and the Caribbean some had arrived from Africa this included diplomats and dignitaries from African nations and students whose families had sent them to English universities to study. All of this together meant that England's black population in the eighteenth century was predominantly male. It was not uncommon for free black men to marry working class white women. During. Ignatius Sancho is lifetime. England was also the dominant force in the Trans Atlantic slave trade slave ships operated from numerous British ports including London while Ignatius Sancho was alive. The two largest slave poor were Bristol and Liverpool. Of vast amount of British wealth came directly from this trade, and from goods produced in the Caribbean and the Americas using in slave labor. A Movement for the abolition of slavery, and the slave trade started to evolve in Britain during Sanchez lifetime, although formal organizations with this goal, including the sons of Africa were not established until after his death, however, in seventeen seventy two William Murray the first Earl of Mansfield and the Lord Chief, justice, of Britain issued a ruling in the Somerset case, which ruled the enslaved people who escaped enslavement in England could not be captured and return to slavery abroad, although many enslaved people. People living at the time interpreted this as having ended slavery. Entirely, it's real effects were much more limited than that and we talked about this ruling previously in our episode three Astonishing Bells Ignatius Sancho had connections to all of this history, but as we noted, some of the details are spotty. Brief glimpses of his last few years survived. Thanks to some published letters. We're GONNA. Talk about those letters more later, but beyond that his first biographer was Welsh, barrister and politician Joseph. Joseph Jekyll, whose brief account of Sanchez life was published with the letters for the first several printings of these letters, this biography was published anonymously jackals name was finally included in the fifth edition which came out in Eighteen O. Three Joseph Jekyll was born in seventeen. Fifty four, which would have made him about twenty six. When Sancho died in the years after Saint. Joe's death he became a member of parliament in terms of when both men were living jekyll studied at. At Oxford in the late seventies sixties, and was called to the bar at Lincoln's inn in London in Nineteen, seventy eight during those same years Sancho was living and working in London in cleaning the grocery that became a gathering place for writers, musicians and a fashionable place for affluent people to be seen shopping because of the novelty of its black proprietor, so it's definitely within the realm of possibility that these two men did know each other or that they at least met. And, we do have a surviving letter from Sancho son William he wrote to Jekyll to thank him for some service to their family for some corrections. That's his word, and that's probably in reference to footnotes that appear in the eighteen or three edition of Sanchez Letters. So, it's possible. JACKALS, knowledge of Sanchez life came from Sancho himself or from his family, but a lot of what he describes is really impossible to corroborate, and some of it just contradicts documentation that does exist. JEKYLL also doesn't mention some of the most notable parts of Sanchez life, while also including other details that seem pretty improbable, also it's clear that in writing and publishing this biography Jekyll was trying to contradict racist ideas that were used to justify the institution of slavery, instead, showing Sancho as a human, being with innate worse. Here is a quote. He who serve as the extent of intellect to which Ignatius Sancho had attained by self education will perhaps conclude that the perfection of the reasoning faculties does not depend on a peculiar confirmation of the skull or the color of a common. Integra -ment in defiance of that wild opinion, which says a learned writer of these times restraints, the operations of the mind to particular regions, and supposes that a luckless mortal maybe born in a degree of latitude too high or too low for wisdom or for wit so. To add a little explanation to that the learned writer of these times that he references was Samuel Johnson. who was writing about John Milton when he made that comment? And as a side note that eighteen edition of Sanchez letters also included this statement quote Dr Johnson had promised to write the life of Ignatius Sancho which afterwards he neglected to do, and it was accordingly written by Mr. Jekyll in Imitation of Dr Johnson's style. Another words, Joseph Jekyll thought. Ignatius Sancho was notable enough to have been written about by Samuel Johnson regardless of whether Johnson ever specifically said that at the same time, even though Jekyll seems to have been motivated by reinforcing the intrinsic humanity of a black man living in eighteenth century, England and dispelling racist ideas. He also repeats some of the day's racist stereotypes about Africans. Africans that makes it hard to figure out which parts of his account are real in which are exaggerated in at this point, it is just not possible to know where any of his information came from having gotten through all that context we will get to what we know, or at least what we think. We know about Ignatiev Sanchez life after a sponsor break. Did you know GEICO's now? Offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Gyco could already save you. So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? Okay, mom, I empty the dishwasher vacuum the basement, and folded the sheets out of the dryer. What Oh and next I'm going to clean Mittens litterbox. How are we in some kind of prank, show or something? That's a camera, isn't it? There's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by over seven limitations apply visit. GEICO DOT COM for details. I'm Alex. 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Jekyll goes on to say that Sancho was named Ignatius at his baptism, which was performed by the Bishop, but he doesn't really elaborate on what might have prompted a bishop to baptize an enslaved baby according to Jekyll Ignatius his mother died while he was still a baby, and his father took his own life rather than being enslaved. Then when Ignatius was between two and three, his enslavers took him to England and gave him to quote three maiden sisters resident at Greenwich. According to historian and Dinsdale, this may have. Been Elizabeth Susanna and Barbara Leg who lived in Blackie's, which is adjacent to Greenwich that is the right number of sisters and roughly the right location, but this is still conjecture and other conjecture is that the young Ignatius Sancho is depicted in the painting taste in high life bypass podcasts subject William, hogarth. Painting was completed in the seventeen forties, and it satirizes upper class women in their fashion choices seated in a chair on the left side of the canvas in this painting is a black page. The Yale Center for British art describes this identification as this page in the painting as Ignatius Sancho as traditional but implausible. Listen. Everybody's always said it. Really doesn't make any sense. Jekyll also says these three sisters were the ones who gave Ignatius the last name of Sancho, because they thought that he resembled Don. Quixote's Squire Sancho Panza in Spanish. ponza means belly in it stems from the Latin, word for punch. This makes Sanchez name a little bit complicated. It is the name he used his whole life, and later on, he called his daughters his sentas `as, but it was a name that was given to him as an insult, because of his weight Ignatius Sancho described his early years this way in a letter to Laurence Sterne, the author of the life and opinions of Tristram Shandy Gentleman. Quote. The first part of my life was rather unlucky as I was placed in a family who judged ignorance, the best and only security for obedience, a little reading and writing got by unworried application, the latter part of my life has been through God's blessing, truly fortunate having spent it in the service of one of the best and greatest families in the kingdom. My chief pleasure has been books philanthropy I adore the best and greatest family seems to be the House of Montagu beginning with John Second Duke of Montagu. The Duke had previously been governor of Jamaica in one of his residences in England was Montagu House in Blackie's just across from the leg sisters. Earlier in his life, the Duke had reportedly funded the education of Francis Williams and enslaved man from Jamaica although Williams's attendance at Cambridge is not actually documented. The Duke seems to have taken an interest in Sancho, giving him books and encouraging him in his studies, the duke died in seventeen, forty nine, and it seems that sometime after that the three sisters that we mentioned earlier threatened to send Sancho to the Caribbean. Sancho winsome MONTAGUES widow lady Mary Duchess of Montague for help an jackals words when she refused, he quote procured an old pistol for purposes, which has father's people had suggested as familiar, and had sanctified as hereditary in this frame of mind, the futility of remonstrance was obvious at that point. The Duchess hired. Sancho is a Butler and he worked with her until her. Her death in seventeen, fifty one in her will. She bequeathed him seventy pounds along with an annuity of thirty pounds per year fencer. Use this money to try to make his own way in London. He may have tried to career on the stage appearing in Shakespeare's Othello and Africans Orinoco but according to jekyll quote, a defective and incorrigible articulation rendered it abortive. which was a roundabout way of saying he didn't work out with that because he had a speech disorder, Sancho. Tastes outstripped his income in London though this is where jekyll describes his behavior as quote, disposition of African texture, but really none of this seems particularly unusual for a twenty two year old living as a free man with some money of his own for the first time. Time he enjoyed himself with cards and theater and women before realizing that he could not support that kind of lifestyle on his annuity. He once again turned to the House of Montagu. This time George Duke of Montagu and Earl of Cardigan whose wife Mary was the daughter of the late John and Mary Montagu. The details here are a little bit sketchy, but he was most. Most likely employed as Georgia's valette on December Seventeenth Seventeen Fifty Eight Ignatius sancho myriad and Osborne described as a black woman from the West indies. They had at least six children together. William Known as Billy Kitty Fanny Lydia. Mary and Elizabeth known as ELISA. We don't know much at all about an, but we do know from Sanchez letters that she was literate that she had. had a brother named John, and that their two families were close. It's also clear from Sanchez letters that he truly dearly loved his wife and children. Sancho continued to work as part of the Montagu household staff after he got married in seventeen, sixty eight. He had his portrait painted by Thomas Gainsborough. Who is one of Britain's most fashionable and renowned artists in the eighteenth, century. This happened in bath. Gary came to do a portrait of Lady Elizabeth Montagu. Who Was George and Mary's daughter? Even though Sancho was working as household staff at this point, he is not wearing livery in the portrait, and he's using the hand in the waistcoat pose. That was common in portrait of the upper class in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries today. That portrait is in the collection of the national. Gallery of Canada by the time he was in his forties. Sancho health made difficult for him to continue working in domestic service. He had asthma and Gout, and the gout in particular, became increasingly painful and debilitating, so in seventeen, seventy three, the family gave him a small annuity to help him start a grocery store which he ran and managed with the help of his wife and another example. Example of how eighteenth century England was deeply connected to slavery, the most important products in his stock were tobacco, sugar and tea, all of which were being grown through the use of slave labor. The Grocery was at number, twenty Charles Street in Westminster, and while the building itself is now. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office the shops. Former location is marked with a historical plaque today in addition to selling goods Sancho also made it into something of a literary salon, hosting discussions among prominent writers and musicians, regular visitors may have included formerly enslaved abolitionists about coup Guano, and Olaudah equiano known visitors included aspiring writer George Cumberland politician, Charles James Fox antiquarian Richard Pay night an artist John Hamilton Mortimer. Earlier, the grocery also became something of a tourist attraction with wealthy people, making it a point to shop there because of its proprietor known as the remarkable. Negro and other words Sancho head assimilated into middle class, British society to the point that he was able to have his own shop in his own home all these connections, but he was still definitely an outsider within that society Joseph Jekyll describes the grocery this way quote. A commerce with the muses supported amid the trivial in momentary interruptions of a shop. Shop, the poets were studied, and even imitated with some success to pieces were constructed for the stage, the theory of music was discussed published and dedicated to the princess royal and painting was so much within the circle of Ignatius, Sancho judgment and criticism that mortimer came often to consult him such was the man who species philosophers Adamus have endeavoured to degrade as a deterioration of the human, and such was the man who fuller with a benevolence and quaint of phrase peculiarly, his own account is God's image though. Though cut in Ebony since he owned the grocery store in his home, Sancho was eligible to vote in the British elections, which at the time were open only to male property holders that was of course, a tiny tiny fraction of the British population Sancho voted in seventeen, seventy, four, making him the first black Britain known to do so, and he voted again in seventeen eighty, also in seventeen eighty, he witnessed the anti-catholic Gordon riots something that he wrote about in his letters toward the end of his life. Life these letters were really the primary way that Sancho kept up with his enormous social circle. The decline in his health had made it difficult to impossible him to go visit people in addition to his general correspondents, he also wrote letters to newspapers and to public figures, many of them, advocating for the abolition of slavery, his last letters to friends and family make frequent mentions of illness and pain and visits from Doctors Ignatius Sancho died on December fourteenth seventeen eighty. He was buried at St Margaret's Westminster. Seventeenth in addition to his other I see was the first person of African descent to have an obituary published in the British newspapers, although Joseph jackals, biography is the source of a lot of the information that we've mentioned so far. We get a better sense of Ignatius. Sancho his own thoughts and personality through his letters, and we'll talk more about that after we I have a sponsor break. Our! Full of crap. I'm John. 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Banks and also opening a bookshop that made Williams Sancho England's first known black bookseller, and since he published some of his father's work as well as than edition of Voltaire he was also England's first known black publisher, William Sancho also worked with Francis crew, who had been one of Ignatius Correspondence on publishing a collection of his father's selected letters after his father's death in crews words, she was motivated by the desire of showing that an untutored. African may possess abilities equal to a European and the still superior motive of wishing to serve his worthy family. Had actually become publicly known for his letter writing while he was still living. Thanks to an exchange of letters with author, laurence, Sterne, a seventeen sixty six letter that Sancho wrote to Stern, and then three letters that stern wrote back to Sancho, were included in the letters of the late, Reverend Laurence Sterne to his most intimate friends that was first published in seventeen, seventy five Sancho. Sancho wrote this letter after reading stearns jobs account of the shortness, then troubles of life, which included a passage about slavery, being a bitter draft, Sanchez letter to Stern, was a little like a fan letter, but it was also a request. I turn to take up the issue of slavery more powerfully in his own writing. We read a bit of this letter earlier in the. The episode beyond what we already read sensual went on to talk about how much he appreciated the character of uncle, toby interest from Shandy before saying quote consider how great a part of our species in all ages down to this have been trodden under the feet of cruel and capricious tyrants, who would neither hear their cries, nor PD. Their distresses consider slavery what it is how? How bitter a draft and how many millions are made to drink of it from their? Sancho went on to say that none of his favorite authors had ever quote drawn a tear in favor of my miserable black brethren, the only exceptions being stern and the author of Sir George Ellison. That's the history of Sir George Ellison which was published in seventeen sixty. Six Sarah Scott. Then Center went on to say quote. I think he will forgive me I. Am sure you will applaud me for beseeching you to give one half hours. Attention to slavery, as it is at this day practiced in our West indies that subject handled in your striking manner with ease, the Yolk, perhaps of many, but if only one gracious God. What a feast to Benevolent Heart Stearns reply to this began quote. There's a strange coincidence Sancho in the little events, as well as in the great ones of this world for I had been writing a tender tale of the sorrows of friendless, poor Negro girl, and my eyes had scarce done smarting with it when your letter of recommendation in behalf. Behalf of so many of brethren and sisters came to me, but why her brethren or yours. Sancho any more than mine stearns, reply went on to say in part quote, but his no uncommon thing, my good Sancho, for one half of the world to use the other half of it like brutes, and then endeavour to make him so for my part I never look westward when I'm in pensive mood at least, but I think of the burdens which are brothers and sisters are. They're carrying Stern's letter to. Sancho was circulated in abolition literature after it was published in the same was true of Sancho zone letters. Sancho also seemed to pattern his own writing style after Stern's interest from. Using lots and lots of dashes and something of a wandering style, there's been some debate among literary critics about whether this was a sort of super fans, fawning mimicry of their favorite author Styler, not Sancho was definitely a huge fan of Stern, even owning a cast of a statue, representing Stern's head, but it can also be Sancho zone, genuine voice, and possibly a written approximation of how he actually spoke these letters that Sancho wrote our candid. Ri- Ironic sometimes a little, suggestive and often self deprecating. Here's an example from a seventeen seventy seven letter to artist and print maker John Hugh who was a clerk on the board of Control. Samsar writes about having been ill. And about how the GOUT and his hand was making even writing painful, and then an ink blot fell on the page. He wrote I. Hope Confound the ink. Now, don't you dare suppose I was in fault. No Sir, the pen was. Called the paper worse, there was a concatenation of sorted chances all coincided to contribute to that fatal blot, which is so disarranged ideas that I must perforce finish before I had half. By head and heart. In some printed editions of sensors, letters the ink. In? Question is is reproduced on the page with this. Some sort of like typeface that they created to be like this is the ink blot character that we will use to print this Levitt. The letters also give glimpses into what it was like to be a black man living in London a seventeen seventy seven letter describes a night out in the hall. Courtesy of Masirah L. quote. If you should happen to know him, you may tell him from me that last night. Three great girls, a boy, and a fat old fellow, were as happy and pleased as a fine evening. Fine Place, good songs, much company and good music could make them heaven and. And Earth how happy. How delighted were the girls? Oh the pleasures of novelty to us. We went by water had a coach home. We're gazed at followed etc, etc, but not much abused centers, criticisms of slavery include a reference to past podcast subject Phillis Wheatley specifically to the fact, that John and Susanna Wheatley continued to enslave her while also helping to Publish her work quote, it reflects nothing either to the glory or generosity of her master, if she is still his slave, except he glories in the low vanity of having in his Watson power a mind animated by heaven, a Genius Superior to himself. This letter was written in Seventeen, seventy eight, at which point Phillis Wheatley had been mandated in seventeen seventy eight letter to Jack Wind Grave Sancho response to earlier letters in which wingrove had described Africans as deceitful Sancho. My good friend, you should remember from whom they learnt those vices before going on to condemn the institution of slavery and England's participation in. Sancho acknowledges that he himself has enjoyed what he called many blessings living in England before describing the nation's conduct as uniformly wicked in the indies and in Guinea. He then goes on to say quote in Africa. The poor wretched natives blessed with the most fertile and luxuriant soil are rendered so much the more miserable for what Providence -ment is a blessing, the Christians abominable traffic for slaves and the horrid. Horrid cruelty and treachery of the petty kings encouraged by their Christian customers who carry them strong liquors to inflame their national madness and powder and bad firearms to furnish them with the hellish means of killing and kidnapping beyond these selections answers letters ranged all over in terms of their content. There's gossip ordinary goings on what was happening with Sancho and his family and observations of what was happening around him. He wrote to other black men who were embarking on their free adult lives with advice and guidance. Some of his letters also include requests for help like soliciting donations to help Black Londoners in need in the words of European magazine in Seventeen, eighty, two through his letters Sancho presents to us the naked fusions of negroes heart, and it shows that glowing with the finest philanthropy and the purest affections they have more warped than elegance of diction and. And more feeling than correctness as we've talked about before publishing books at this point involved getting subscribers to buy the book in advance, the first edition of Sanchez letters, which came out in seventeen, eighty, two had one, thousand, one, hundred, eighty one subscribers, and subscribers were all over the social and economic spectrum, including servants, artists, politicians, and including the Prime Minister Sanchez letters became an immediate bestseller with five editions published between Seventeen, eighty, two and eighteen three. Fantasy letters have come and gone out of favor since they were first published in a pattern. That's really similar to pass podcasts subject sweetly. Although both writers work was used to support. It was also cited by people like Thomas Jefferson. In notes on the State of Virginia Jefferson wrote quote. Religion indeed has produced a Phillis Wheatley, but it could not produce a poet. The compositions published under her name R below the dignity of criticism, the heroes of Dune Saddad are to her. As Hercules to the author of that poem they should Sancho has approached nearer to merit in composition yet his letters do more honor to the heart than the head. Sanchez work went out of print in the nineteenth century, and when it was reprinted in the nineteen sixties, some critics dismissed it as authentic and too deferential to white British society, some of the same criticisms that had been applied to wheat lease poetry in the twentieth century. But as was the case with Phillis Wheatley in more recent years, critics have given Sancho more credit for his ability to carve out a space for himself in British society and to persistently press his correspondence on issues like racism. In addition letters, Sancho was the first black man's published music and the European musical tradition. Four collections of his music survived today. Let's Chilean's and country dances for the Violin Mandolin German flute and Harpsichord, composed by an African which came out in seventeen, sixty seven. A collection of new songs composed by an African humbly inscribed to the Honorable Mrs, James Brunell by her most humble and `obedient servant, which came out in seventeen, sixty nine. MINUETS etc, etc for the Violin Mandolin German flute and Harpsichord second composed by an African, which came out in seventeen, seventy and twelve country dances for the year seventeen, seventy nine set for the Harpsichord by permission, humbly dedicated to the right honorable, Miss North by her. Most Obedient Servant Ignatius, Sancho. All of these works were published for the author meaning that Sancho paid for the printing himself, which was typical for amateur composers, and for professionals who were just starting out. This musical work has been described as reflective of a knowledgeable, capable amateur, a selection of charming songs that were easy for other amateurs to sing and play at home. It's possible that Sancho. Perform the music. He wrote, either at home or at gatherings within London's black community as well manuscripts of these works still exist and are. are in the collections of the British Museum, and the Library of Congress, a theory of music that Sancho wrote unfortunately has been lost. There are the videos of various ensembles performing selections of this music that you can find online if you Google something like Ignatius Sancho music, you'll find videos of performances and things like that Ignatius Sancho has also been the subject of a one man play by Paterson Joseph. Who, in addition to his other work played. Qatar Mason on the TV show timeless which. was a huge fan of and I know many of our listeners were also this one man show called Sancho and act of remembrance, and in a piece called preface to Sancho an active remembrance that was published on the website of the British library. Joseph writes about how many black Britons trace their identities back to the wind rush generation was A. Wave of immigration to Britain from the Caribbean. Starting with arrivals aboard the H M, T empire wind rush, which arrived on June twenty, second, nineteen, forty eight. that of course is a whole other story which could be its own episode of the podcast. He writes about how his research into Ignatius Sancho and the time that he was living in quote changed forever the meaning of the words Black British. That piece is well worth the read. It's easily found by googling preface to Sancho an active remembrance. And that is Ignatius Sancho. Sner mail for us before I. Get to that there are of course. 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Program for like one particular set of like economically relatively disadvantaged students that New York was rolling out, and I was like Oh that must have been what I was thinking of and just moved on in my head Correct, it was not charging tuition as of the forties had been established as tuition-free. Learning Institution and continued to be so until various economic factors and whatnot causes it to start charging tuition. It probably still was for financial reasons that he didn't go like his family was really really impoverished, and by working instead of going to college. It meant that he was able to help them. Make ends meet so I. Think even though there wasn't tuition involved. That was still the root of that matter, so thank you for that correction. I apologize for. Not going deeply enough. Infecting Myself. 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From the Vault: Split Brain, Part 1

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From the Vault: Split Brain, Part 1

"You at Lexus. Their greatest curiosity is you because the most amazing machines aren't inspired by machines. They're inspired by people. That's why Lexus asks different questions. Better questions more human questions like Kenya. See with your ears and the answer is our is inspiring as you are which may leave you with one question. What amazing ideas will you inspire next? Discover the answers. Lexus dot com slash curiosity available now from iheart. A new series presented by t mobile for business. The restless ones join me. Jonathan Strickland as I explore the coming technological revolution with the restless business leaders who stand right on the cutting edge. They know there is a better way to get things done and they are ready. Curious excited for the next technological innovation to unlock their vision of the future in each episode will learn more from the restless one themselves and dive deep into how the five G. Revolution could enable their teams to thrive the restless ones now available on iheartradio APP. Or wherever? You listen to podcasts. Hey to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb. And I'm Joe. Mccormick ended Saturday time for volt episode Classic Episode Stuff to blow your mind. This is part. One of our exploration of the split brain experiments. This episode was originally published January Fifteenth Twenty Nineteen. If you have not listened to these episodes. You've probably listen to episodes where we refer back to them or even older episodes where we kinda laid the groundwork for actually doing this exploration because This is a a an important topic. Know How does your brain work? What happens in what he's revealed a win. There is a division in the brain when hemispheres are separated. From each other there's some groundbreaking experiments that we cover in these episodes. Yeah this pair of episodes is one of my favorites and we hope you enjoy it. The Powell Hyde seem to have with the silliness of Jekyll and certainly the hate that now divided them was equal on each side with Jekyll. It was the thing of vital instinct he had now seen the food at formity of that creature that shared with him some of the phenomena of consciousness and was co heir with him to death and beyond these links of community which in themselves made the most poignant part of his distress he thought of hide for all his energy of life as of something not only hellish but organic. This was the shocking thing at the slime of the period seem to Ida cries invoices that the amorphous dust gesticulated in Sindh that what was dead and had no shape. Should you sip the offices of life? Welcome to blow your mind from stuff. Works DOT com. Hey welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb. And I'm Joe McCormick and Robert. Why are you reading Robert Louis Stevenson? Atas oh because that's from the strange case of Dr Jekyll. And Mr Hyde from eighteen. Eighty six and it concerns the idea of there being two entities within the human skull two entities within the mind indeed to minds within the brain and. I think this is an interesting place to start because while it presents a very erroneous vision of the lateral ization of human brain function. It also I. It gets some of the same like hair standing up on the back of the neck. The Actual Research. We'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. Does at least for me. Oh Yeah I mean Robert Louis. Stevenson with fabulous writer. And he's he's one of those authors that you can read today and it holds up so well did they ever make a good jekyll and Hyde movie. it's been a very long time since. I saw it but there was an adaptation. It may have been a TV adaptation with Michael. Cain Michael Caine. Yeah and I remember really loving that in being quite disturbed by it as a child now. Obviously there had to be a Jekyll. And Hyde with Tim. Curry as JEKYLL and Hyde. But I think maybe I'm confusing that with the muppet treasure island where he's Oh you're thinking of the month at Jecklin high. He's long John Silver Man. That scene where he tramples kermit death brindell well the as we are beginning with kind of unruliest ruinous model. But but I think helpful and because it is often easy to think of the brain as the thing itself right we fall into this. Centaur mode of thinking of the brain body relationship is being a writer and it's horse instead. It is more this idea of sin tar this this this one single entity Honestly we see this reflected in so many real and fictional scenarios take for instance the the late physicist Stephen Hawking brilliant brain within a body that was gradually paralyzed by motor neuron disease or just look to our dreams in which the inner world of the brain runs. Wild One of the body goes on lockdown Think are imaginings our inner thoughts versus our outer smile. And then they're all those disembodied brains and science fiction right from crane and his robot body team Ninja Turtles to the brain. That wouldn't die Kane and Robocop two one. That's one of one of your favorites as well. Greatest of all time. Lovecraft the whisperer in darkness and so many doctor who characters especially the Alex Brain Guy from MSG Three K. Just keep coming up with these these visions of the brain as the just sort of the central human thought experience. You know I never thought of this until now but actually the brain guy mystery. Science Theater is kind of a great illustration of Daniel donuts. Short-story thought experiment. Where am I ha? I wonder if there's any connection to reach out to the the amnesty guys and that you know there are those like plotlines where his brain gets separated from him. Somewhere else Of course we know that things are not this simple. No brain is an island. It's affected by a host of outside influences including all sorts of environmental nervous stimuli and we're learning more and more about the role of microbiome and various parasites in human cognition. But even if to destroy all of that actually to become a brain in a tank canes brain and Robocop two or or any of these sci-fi visions to get all that external stuff just the brain we still have to contend with the fact that the brain like a government is composed of different houses. The brain consists of two cerebral hemispheres connected by the Corpus Callosum. Each each sphere with many different modules. All of these acting in concert with each other all that interconnected. Yeah one comparison. I've seen in some of the Neuroscience Research. We're looking at today's that the brain is often described as a computer right there by the metaphor of a computer. You know that it is a computer but that Yeah there's the analogy that the brain is like a computer in the different parts of the brain or maybe sort of like different programs that run on that computer but at least one researcher we were reading said. Maybe it's more accurate to think of the brain not as a computer running different software but as a vast network of computers that are each capable of operating independently but most of the time operate in in tandem. It's interesting this is an example. Where if you don't really have much of an understanding how a computer works. The the the idea of thinking of the human mind as a computer as technology is is more harmful. But if you have if you have a better understanding of how a computer actually works capacity a more helpful. Metaphor cuttlefish the second oil age kingdom with full of darkness the eras data. But if he's down here we know not blood darkness. The Earth's black riches smell taste it on my lips today. I want to talk to you about the science of transgenesis instances show now I wanted to. It'd be helpful to just go ahead and consider one particular question right up top now and we've certainly received Questions like this. Following episodes in which brain hemispheres are discussed Such as our discussions on the bicameral mind hypothesis or the alphabet and the goddess. Because there's this kind of pop understanding right that each side of our brain controlled certain aspects of being and that certain individuals have certain. Leanings that you have right. Brained people left brain people and when we can reconnect with are less favored him his fear. Uh-huh now there certainly are some pieces of evidence that we're going to look at in this episode that certain functions of of human life are strongly lateral is in one half of the brain or the other but they're not necessarily these functions are personality traits. That are understood in popular consciousness like logic and creativity right like taking or that. You're GONNA take some sort of a quiz online and find out if you're a writer. Lefty yeah in terms of your brain now. A lot of these ideas apparently were popularized by nineteen nine book titled Drawing on the Right Side of the brain by Betty Edwards in the downstream myth. That kind of You know took over popular culture for a little bit. There is that yeah you had left side logic side creativity and even people who know better people. We still talk like this. I've noticed that I use this metaphor. Even though I know it's wrong I will sometimes think of as being very right brained or very left brained even though that I know that I've read before about how that's not correct well likewise if I hear it mentioned Sani Yoga Class. I'm going to be less inclined. I'm not going to be the jerk in the yoga class. That like perks up and says actually there are some interesting studies. You going to sit back and enjoy the class Because it's one of those things that can can feel true right. Yeah but the idea goes back further than this particular book. I mean it goes back to some of the earlier discoveries that we're going to discuss here about Hemispheric Division You know the ideas of Neurologist Paul broker Who lived eighteen? Twenty four through eight hundred eighty French neurologist. Or Karl Veronica who lived at who have eighteen forty eight through nineteen o five a German. They studied patients who had communication troubles due to brain injury such as the left temporal lobe injuries and they figured that this was the language that are thus language was a left hemisphere focus and this is one thing that actually has been more born out. Biden by good research in in the history of neurosciences. That one thing it's very clear. The left hemisphere of the brain does is it is dominant in language function. Yes it's not that the right brain can't do any language but it can't do a whole lot of language certainly can't do what the left hemisphere can do right now. We tweak kicked off the episode with Reading from Robert Louis Stevenson against Scottish author. He lived eighteen fifty through eighteen ninety four and according to neuroscientist Elizabeth waters. Who's put together some? You know wonderful Ted Talks and Ted. Ed Videos about this This this this topic. She points out that Robert Louis Stevenson in his book. Strange case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde presented the notion of a logical left hemisphere that is in combat in you know in in in in this struggle with an emotional right hemisphere and it's also worth noting that Robert Louis. Stevenson was also inspired by two popular fringe cases of individuals who exhibited dual personalities. There were credited as being a F- alita Ex and Sergeant F in K and these were apparently cases. Were really you know well covered in French and British? Press at the time it was kind of popular science influencing popular science fiction. Do you have any sense of whether what was presented to the public about? These cases was largely accurate. Or misleading. I don't but I love to go back and look at it because if you know this is a case where you can The science influences the science fiction in the science fiction influences To a certain extent how the public thinks about a given topic. Yeah now other Other influence on Robert Louis Stevenson. Apparently he had just a terribly high fever At one point during which he claimed to have experienced a split into which she experienced quote myself and quote that other fellow. Who THAT'S CREEPY? Yeah so this. Apparently had a big influence on them. And according to biographer Clear harmon author of myself and the other fellow. Duality in the idea of the double self turn up again and again in Robert Louis. Stevenson's work Well maybe I'm over interpreting here in. This could be just kind of a a mundane parallel but I mean it. I see stuff like that even in treasure island adventure where Long John. Silver is at the same time a patient and sort of good father figure and also an evil pirate. Yeah this is the the the argument here the other. This is the type of duality that That he was obsessed with in in so much of it so many of his works. I mean essentially had a fever and do psychedelic experience. And then this lining up with various elements of his of his life. I mean that is the the meaty chewed upon But of course this popular understanding of the Left Right Division. You know like the the side ruled by passion and the right brain and the side ruled by logic and reason and the left brain. That's not exactly right right. You know as we'll explore. Doctors actually looked to patients with missing brain hemispheres or separated him as fears and is appealing is. This notion may be didn't really hold up. I mean they were all still logical and creative beings right. You didn't just end up with A. You know a spock or a whatever the opposite of Spock would be in the Star Trek Universe to be clear though yeah. The brain is divided into two hemispheres in internal regions like the stratagem. The hypothalamus the talents and the brain stem. They're also organized with left and right sides as well despite appearing to be continuous. When you when you sort of look at those strains of them yeah and for the rest of the this episode. In fact this is going to be the first two episodes. We're going to be looking at ways that despite this This like emotional versus logical. Split being wrong there are very interesting ways that the brain hemispheres are different and do different things in fact. Well we we can start with the mundane ones. I guess right like Mundane Motor control differences. Exactly we can look to the To to arms and legs for instance the Right Hemisphere of the brain controls the left arm and leg the left hemisphere controls. The right arm and leg now I have read that in a wet like both hemispheres can in some way to some degree control both arms but when it gets like fine motor control of like controlling the actions of the hand and especially that's where it gets really lateral is in like the it's really GonNa be you're right brain that's controlling what your left hand does with its fingers now a more complex example Is in but one is extremely important is each. I has a left and right visual field with the left visual fields into the right hemisphere and the right field sent to the left hemisphere now. This can also be misunderstood. Because I've seen represented in the press in places that were like. The left eye goes to the right hemisphere. The right eye goes to the Left Hemisphere. And that's not quite right. Either because both him fears can get some information from both is but it has to do with the side of the visual field that you're talking right so like stuff that you perceive over to the left part of what you're looking at that goes to the right hemisphere and stuff you perceive over in the right area what you're looking at To the right of your center of vision that goes to the left hemisphere and then our visual experience of reality comes together from these two feeds movement and vision depend than on this union feerick relationship. Now why do our brains work? This way. Why the crossover. Why don't you just go straight up? Parallels one of those things about the human body seems needlessly complicated in the thing is. We're not entirely sure one theory that has been discussed that Animals developed Moyes as animals develop more advanced nervous systems. There was an advantage in escaping to the right if something came at you from the left so these are examples where we can actually look to specific hemispheres. And say here. Here's where they are most active but we can't easily extend this idea to other aspects of cognition and certainly not to the overall human experience or things like pure logical thinking or creativity. No not that. But there are some cognitive functions that do appear to be pretty strongly lateral is in one way or another and one of them obviously is language. We mentioned this. Yeah this localized to the left especially complex language in the power of speech There is some research indicating that like the right brain might be able to have a sort of simple lexicon or understand very simple bits of language but if you want to generate a sentence like speak one out loud or understand complex instructions in language this is usually going to be dominated by processes in the left hemisphere own. We should also say that everything we say about hemisphere is in. This episode is going to be four. Most cases there there are cases where this is reversed where people have like. The switching of which hemisphere is dominant. But we're talking about the majority of cases here right now meanwhile attention we see that more localized to the right hemisphere. Yeah and this would be especially things like visual and spatial reasoning like the right hemisphere is going to be very important if you need to imagine a map. In order to give directions so brain activity unbalancing we're one. S- one side is more active in a given tasks in another This occurs based on which system is being employed in a given task rather than anything about an individual or their background. Of course this is all of course assuming a healthy brain. Obviously if one side of your brain is missing. There's going to be more activity. Cited there now. No evidence suggested individ- individuals have truly dominant sides of the brain when it comes to their personality. Makeup right you're not like creative right brained or logical left brained right and likewise the the logic in creativity split idea you know again. You'll have individuals that are certainly more logical perhaps or more creative but as a as neuroscientists Elizabeth waters as pointed out among many others logic and creativity are not these two distinct notions. You know. They're deeply interlinked. Yeah at is in many cases being a certain type of creative. Yeah I mean what you might dismiss as just a really logical exercise like say solving the complex math problem. That may well require. That will require some creative thinking likewise a creative endeavor like say writing a poem finishing a novel coming up with a cool joke. Whatever those are GonNa be activities that also involve logic in fact. Some of what we're going to discuss in this pair of episodes in in the neuroscience research turns this whole thing on its head in a way because the left part of the Brain. That's more dominant in Exercises involving speech and language often tends to be the more creative one in explaining behaviors. Right in the one that tends to interpret and come up with explanations for things as will As we'll talk about later on which is a creative exercise whereas the right brain tends to more often be the part of the brain that records experiences accurately without creating explanations for them exactly and that. But certainly if I'm gonNA drive home anything we want to point out that that The creativity logic anything that employs these these two loose iden- buckets of Of Cognition you know. These are going to be products of whole brain cognition. The brain is all these areas of the brain are working together to create this effect now ultimately in this episode. 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Twenty four three hundred eighty. He was a French surgeon neurologist and anthropologist and he is also anyone who hasn't read the book but has seen the title he is the namesake for Carl. Sagan's book broke his brain Sagan describes at one point holding a jar containing the noted scientists brain weight like imagining doing this literally doing literally doing holding holding the jar that contains his brain. And then thinking about like what you know talking. He talks about broker and in and his His work is personality. But also just sort of meditates on what you're doing when you when you hold this brain in your hands. I want to imagine that having not read this book. It is in fact. Just like a caper story with broke. His brain is the macguffin and traded around in their car chases. Sagan's trying to get it back from the KGB spies No not quite but Dante skull shows up as well so Broker though he he made important contributions to our understanding of cancer the treatment of aneurysms and a phaser and Sagan pointed out broker was also quite concerned with the medical care of the poor. He was a he was a free thinker. He was a strong Darwin supporter and above just about everything was the founder of modern brain surgery and Brokaw was influential in identifying regions of the brain as being especially responsible for certain cognitive functions right. Yeah he investigated the Rhine and cephlon. The smell brain But he's name actually goes to a small region in the left frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex what we call brokers area This is left hemisphere third. Frontal convoluted to be specific. This is the area where articulate speech is largely localized and controlled and is saying pointed out given the importance of language and articulate speech in human evolution. This portion of the human brain may be considered an Sagan's words the seat of our humanity in some respects. It's also something anatomist have looked for in the remains of our hominids ancestors such as Homo Habilis Columbia University anthropologist Ralph Hall Away. Sagan cited studied and claimed without evidence for its development of brokers area. Some two million years ago in this would have been around the time. Early tool use was beginning Also South African paleoanthropologist Phillip Tobias also made this claim though according to Suzanne Kammer associate professor of linguistics at Rice University quote. These claims have been controversial. Mini see regular impressions that could be ascribed to brain structure. Here yeah and I can imagine. It's probably difficult to Just look at skulls and figure out what brain regions were evolved right but brokers Discovery Air broke his namesake. Here is the first of many discoveries that illuminated hemispheric separation of function in the brain and and really driving home the idea the specific brain functions might be isolated to specific parts of the brain. Yeah if there's a certain part in the left hemisphere that seems especially important for language. What else could be lateral is right now. Just throw in the nowadays you hear more talk of networks as opposed to regions. Yeah again getting his idea that that we're looking at at a network of of of different systems and not individual areas that are just doing all the heavy lifting. Now your brains less like computer may be more like the Internet right but a conscious Internet. That's scary So horror movie pitch at the conscious Internet and it takes physical form of the three D. printers but let's also talk about about the German. Karl Veronica live eighteen. Forty eight thousand nine hundred five a German. Yeah that's the VERNITA HE WAS. He has another area of the brain is named for him. The Veronica area and he I described Syrian in eighteen. Seventy four and it's found in the posterior third of the upper temporal convoluted of the left hemisphere of the brain. It's close to the auditory cortex and seems to play a unique role in the comprehension of sound language reception and comprehension. So the stage is set to discuss The lateral ization of of certain brain functions. But we mentioned earlier that this episode was really GonNa end up focusing on cutting brains in half. Yes and I know you're out there saying winter you're gonNA cut the brain in half Robert. I think it's time we've gotta make the incision that's right and what better time to dislike the brain in half in the nineteen sixties and seventies is really perfect. I mean you could really almost. It's tempting to just want to think a like a left brain right brain old fashioned idea and have like the nineteen sixties hemisphere in the Nineteen Seventies Simmons. Fear right there's just something something perfect about the Post Revolutionary Hemisphere. Yeah oh no. So we're GONNA be talking about the research of Neuroscientist named Roger Sperry and Michael Gazzaniga. And so actually. The brain cutting started in the nineteen forties but it was in the nineteen sixties that the research on people with severed him as fears really got going. That's right and they. They discovered something. That's that's with seemingly amazing that if you split the brain use you essentially split the person as well it in a certain sense and not in another sense and we'll we'll have to define that as we go on but the but just think about it for just the the the the promise The you know the teas of this idea that there would be one person per hemisphere of the brain this division of the self getting back to this idea in a certain sense of myself and the other guy right right. Oh that's right The Robert Louis Stevenson and in this work they would eventually earn. Sperry the Nobel Prize in medicine in Nineteen eighty-one now during this This these decades of research sperry performed experiments on cats monkeys and humans and focused a lot of attention on the neuron. Pack Corpus Callosum that bridges the hemispheres. This is often described as sort of like a broadband Internet cable like an Internet backbone fiber optic or something that connects the two hemispheres together and enables most of the exchange of information between them right now with non human animals. He surgically split the brains producing what he called. A split brain in which each side seemed to function independently of the other and he also found that an animal with a split brain could memorize double the information. Oh I didn't read that. Yeah that was a tidbit. I ran across creepy now. Obviously him not being a mad scientist villain in like a serial In comic book or something he didn't split human brains for experiment. That's right fortunately for him there. Were already humans walking around with split brains because they had had because there were patients who had had their Corpus Callosum Separated Severed a treatment for epilepsy and so he was able to get a number of these individuals to volunteer for his experiments. Yes so this procedure was not done for experiments obviously done as a medical treatment and it's known as a corpus callous sodomy and so the theory behind it was that an epileptic seizure is sort of like a storm of activity in the brain with too many neurons firing and triggering chaotic activity all throughout both hemispheres. And the idea was if you cut the Corpus Callosum if you sever that broadband Internet connection between the two hemispheres of the brain you limit the ability of one of these seizures to spread from one hemisphere of the brain to the other in many cases. Where severe epilepsy could not be treated by any other means? The surgery actually was considered effective. I think especially later versions of the surgery of less so in the forties more so I think in the sixties on but the surgery generally isn't used today because we have on the whole safer better less radical treatments for epilepsy. Now they're they're drugs that are pretty effective and there are less radical surgeries. You can do. And it's not known exactly how many patients ever received Corpus Asada me in history of seen estimates including somewhere between fifty and one hundred total patients. I've read Michael Zahn ago estimated that there were over one hundred patients who had received one now obviously not all of these patients volunteered for split brain neurology research but some did and one of the really interesting things to point out is that we'll have to keep coming back to this. Is that despite the radical nature of this surgical intervention cutting the two hemispheres apart and basically preventing them from communicating with one another. Most patients reported that their lives were generally normal after the surgeries. Their families did not usually report any major changes in behavior personality or cognitive ability Michael Gazzaniga says generally quote. You wouldn't know it if you were talking to such a patient. Yeah I've read that. The the really the only notable results of this outside of Pratt some experimental stuff is gonNA come up was that they didn't have the seizures anymore. Yeah that that was the goal. And that was the the primary of an experiential difference by and large people underwent this procedure. It cut the two halves of their brain apart and they seemed mostly unchanged now on the other hand I have read some anecdotes about changes certain patients face especially right after the surgery during like an adaptation period for example a two thousand twelve article in Nature News. By David Wolman recounts the experiences of a patient named Vicky who received a Calla sodomy in nineteen seventy nine to treat terrible seizure. She was having the story that her seizures were so bad. That one time she'd like fell on a stove and burned her back while she was having one And so she says that. For the first few months after her surgery she would stand in the grocery store trying to pick items off of the shelf but having severe difficulty just picking up items. She says quote. I'd reach with my right right hand for the thing I wanted. But the left would come in and they'd kind of fight almost like repelling MAG dense And she would apparently have similar troubles when trying to get dressed in the morning woman writes quote. Vicky couldn't reconcile what she wanted to put on with what her hands were doing. Sometimes she ended up wearing three outfits at once. And then Vicki says quote I'd have to dump all the clothes on the bed. Catch my breath and start again and I read other accounts along these lines. That a few split brain patients described things like this was one image one hand buttoning up a shirt and the other hand following immediately behind it and UNBUTTON. Ning all the buttons. Oh interesting but these. These types of descriptions are apparently not typical. Most reports indicate that people's behavior cognitive ability personality. All that was is mostly unchanged and even in Vicki's case after about a year she was mostly back to normal in terms of everyday activities. She says she could. You know sliced vegetables to cook and Operate Machines. And all that and this is in line with other reports amazingly you can completely sever the connection between the two hemispheres of the brain and most of the people you do this to function normally in day to day life afterwards before we even get to the other strange stuff. We're talking about that in itself seems crazy. Yeah I I am just always amazed who in when you when you hear about the things that can be done to the brain and the ways of the brain can can can bounce back and behave just relatively normally or just completely normally even in the face of catastrophic injury. The brain can often find a way mind. finds a way but of course Despite these reports that people are generally unchanged. What we're about to talk about. Is that if you and what Sperry Gonzaga discovered is if you apply some special conditions in the lab. You can see some really strange in thrilling things at work in these split brain patients. Yeah the crux of this comes down to the very visual processing. We discussed earlier left visual field. Right side of the brain right visuals field left side of the brain so in a split brain. The left side of the brain can't see the left field of vision and the right side of the brain can't see the right visual field or generally can generally yeah generally speaking and we'll we'll we'll get into the meat of this in a minute but but it's going to lead to split brain cats with eyepatches and split brain monkeys with memorization because as we mentioned again did conduct animal experiments to see how this To to to reveal what was going on and the animal experiments were very they produced very strange and fascinating results. But you always wonder well. Okay you know animal brains are just different than human brains so what happens with the actual human. So I was reading an account of their very first patient sperry in Gonzaga's very first split brain patient In that David woman article and it was a man known as Wj a lot of times. These patients are known just by first name or initials to protect their their identity and apparently wj had served as a paratrooper in World War. Two and he suffered a head injury during the fighting a Nazi had smashed him in the head with a rifle butt and afterwards he experienced severe seizures and was treated with a colostomy and so in nineteen sixty two after the surgery. Gonzaga ran visual field experiments with WJ and what he found was amazing. So the standard setup of one of these experiments is that you have the patient focus on a dot in the middle of a screen and then you flash of visual stimulus in the peripheral visual field on one side or the other and the scientists knew from previous research this would mean stimuli shown to the left visual field as we've been saying would usually be perceived only by the right hemisphere and stuff shown in the right visual field would be perceived only by the left hemisphere but now that the hemispheres can't talk to each other anymore. What happens so? Wj was shown images in his left or right visual fields and then asked to press a button and then asked to say what he saw and went. An image was shown to his left hemisphere. The part we know is primarily responsible for language. He had no problems at all right. And you show the left brain whatever you want a cat or show him robocop and then they'll press the button to indicate they saw something and he'll say I saw robocop but when they showed an image to Wj's right hemisphere. What he said was that. He's on nothing but strangely enough his left hand which remember of course the left hand is connected to the right hemisphere. His left hand pressed the button when he saw the image. Even though the part of his brain responsible for speech was saying out loud. I don't see anything I mean. Take take a second to think about that. Like when I I read that I was like. Oh Okay Oh and then it hit me and I got the chills I mean you know the hair stands up on the back of my neck literally because what we're we're imagining ears? We discuss it is. It's not a complete slicks like separation of self right. It's like a temporary duality. Like a flash of duality. Where in the very place where we we want and expect to find some sort of continuity of self. Well it's yeah. It's like peeking in and seeing a quick glimpse of a reality that may be far more true and accurate a description of how the brain is than we would like to admit or that normally seems true to us because again we always feel unified and the Split. Brain patients feel unified. We'll revisit this a little more but they don't report feeling like two different people. They just feel normal. This is just how I am and yet from an objective outsider's point of view. It's almost as if you've got two different people taking the test at the same time. One is registering. I see something with a hand and the other is saying he doesn't see anything and yet it only seems this way own under certain conditions and only from the outside. Now if you WANNA see an example of this you can actually see. One of these. Experiments demonstrated on film. There's like a short documentary segment feature that I think he's up on Youtube. Still There's a patient named Joe who is working with Gonzaga and this looks like it's nineteen eighties or so and it demonstrates a typical experiments so you show either words or pictures to the left brain only and Joe can name them out loud just fine so he you know you show him the word car or a picture of a car. He says car shown the word grapes or picture of grapes. He says grapes. Everything seems normal. Because it's all going to the left hemisphere and that's the hemisphere that talks you show a word to the right brain. Only in this case the word pan flashes on the far left side of the screen and suddenly Joe is stumped Just based on my read it looks to me like he seems to be aware that he saw something like there's a kind of recognition that looks to me at least like he is aware something appeared but can't say what it is and with a little shrug and a shaking his head. He says I didn't see it. But then Gazzaniga has closed his eyes and draw with his left hand which is controlled mostly by the right hemisphere and his left hand draws a Pan Oh wow again legitimate chills and of course after he draws it and looks at it with both eyes he can say yeah. I saw a pan but the part of his brain that talks didn't seem to know he'd seen a pan until after his left hand drew it Another type of experiment they carried out you split brain patient and simultaneously show two different pictures on the to to the two different hemispheres. You show a hammer to the left hemisphere and you show a Sought to the right hemisphere. And you ask. What did you see of course? The speaking part of the brain says Hammer. The person says I saw a hammer but then when asked to draw with the left hand. The patient draws a saw. And you ask them. Why did you do that? And the patient in this one case the case of Joe. Says I duNno knowing other cases like this Versions of this test. Sometimes the speaking part of the brain will not just say. I don't know but we'll actually seem to make up stories about why their brain produced a certain output that the left part of the brain. The speaking part doesn't seem to understand and they'll just it confabulation an explanation. Well you know they might say well because You know I I was thinking about this other thing or because you said this thing earlier or something. Well that makes sense. I mean it's almost like a supernatural experience. Right and And you know logically you. Can you know try and find some sort of answer to it? But the answer you give and apparently the I mean there's no indication. These people were just consciously lying about their motivations. The answer you give and apparently the answer you seem to believe is is not true is just like you. You can come up with explanations for your own behavior. That are completely wrong and we can show why they're wrong but you are not aware that they're on can be wrong about your own mind right and even without a split brain of course. Humans are very capable of Of OF COMING UP WITH FALSE REASONS FOR WHATEVER. They believe what they did. Oh absolutely yeah I think that's entirely correct and that sort of what I what by thinking we might be able to extrapolate here so one of the most amazing things to me about. This kind of research is Is that this can happen to the brain for the most part. Nobody seems to notice. It takes a lab experiment like this to draw it out like not the people who interact with the split brain patient remember. That family members usually report no major changes in personality your cognitive ability as David Woman. Points out in his nature article the patients themselves say they quote never reported feeling anything less than hole. In the words of Michael Gazzaniga the severed hemispheres. Do not seem to notice that they have been severed and they don't report missing each other. Oh Wow so. This raises so many questions. First of all why are they connected in the first place if they can be severed like this and not seem to notice that that's an interesting they like. What's the reason for this? This connection second. How is this possible? Like how is it possible to cut brain in half and have it not seem to notice anything different and not behave much? Different India I mean even the light of everything we've talked about. It seems it seems kind of impossible. It seems seems like it's like it's a magic trick. A grotesque magic trick but imagine in the West. We'll maybe we should discuss possible explanation for this after a break available now from Iheart a new series presented by t mobile for business. The restless ones. Join Me Jonathan. 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The two hemispheres of the brain are separated and now functions that are dominated by one hemisphere of the brain or the other Can can take place can go on independently without the other part of the brain seeming to be aware and this even leads to stuff like the right brain being aware of a piece of information that motivates action like say you show the right brain picture the left hand which is mainly controlled by the right brain can draw a picture of that thing and the left brain doesn't know why it happened and the person speaking gives a maybe a made up explanation of where that image came from. How is this kind of thing possible? A Gonzaga explains it in terms of what he sort of calls interpreter theory. The interpreter is the idea of the part of your brain Gazon thinks this is localized in the left hemisphere that comes up with this contrived explanation for why your brain did something that it doesn't actually understand And we can know in many cases. This explanation is bunk because we know where the actual stimulus for the behavior came from. It was shown to the other half of the brain that speaking part of the brain doesn't know about and so is on. Agha's ideas that this interpreter function. Its main role is to create a sense of self to sort of we've an autobiographical narrative about the self that makes sense even if it makes sense in a completely false way that does not actually explain the real things that happened in the real motivations behavior it just comes up with post hoc explanations for behaviors in the you know. This reminds me of I'm sure you've read about this before There's a metaphor that's often used. I don't know where it comes from in the first place but sometimes the psychologist Jonathan Height invokes that of the elephant in the Ryder. Oh yeah you know to explain the conscious and unconscious brain so in the case of the unconscious versus the conscious brain? The conscious mind is a person is like a person riding on top of an elephant and the elephant is the unconscious mind and the rider thinks they are driving steering the elephant around but actually the elephant goes where it wants and the writer is just writing right there along for the ride wherever the elephant goes nevertheless the rider will always be able to come up with some explanation for why they meant to steer the elephant in the direction at right like. Oh Yeah Yeah I actually wanted to go over to that Mudhole and get showered and mud because Because I was hot and the mud is cooling me off now but in this scenario the elephant of course is the one calling the shots. Actually right I mean yeah elephants mudholes right now of course not to be a stickler here to complicate the issue but you could have a hoot in their belief. The term is Is Moot the individual who Who will sometimes stand to the side and using a stick to touch different parts of the elephant Naked go where it needs to go. Well we know quite well that often the unconscious mind of a person can be controlled by in manipulation from the outside without the rider being aware that they're not driving. I mean think about the ways. People are manipulated in their unconscious drives and desires by advertising by media by drugs. By all of these things are the stick of the mahood which I'm sure it has a particular A name that I'm I'm not aware of and in the mood is it represents the interests of corporations and governments and religious groups etc. It's driving somebody's unconscious mind around while they think they're the driver and I mean no matter the elephants going to be calling the shots whether it's being manipulated or it's just following its nature but either way the drivers always going to be able to come up with the stories that yeah this is why we went over here planted this way all along. I wanted to buy this product. Now this is a kind of different case but the analogy here. Is that the talking explaining interpreting part of the left brain according to Gonzaga's theory is making up stories. About why the now alien right brain does what it does Which of course it still shares of body so it controls some of the same limbs and stuff when the interpreter really has no idea why the other part of the brain what it did now. I think we should probably take a minute. To emphasize like the drawbacks and limitations of Split Brain research one of them is that as riveting as I feel like this kind of thing is I think for one thing due to the necessity of the small sample sizes and the unusual history of the patients involved. This is the kind of research that's better thought of as a jumping off point to inspire questions and hypotheses that you should really try to prove through other means possible like a lot of modern neuroscientists for probably say that you can learn more with more confidence from brain imaging studies like F- Mri and stuff. Then you can. From a small cohort of people with called- sodomy is right right But at the same time that that may be true. But I do think there's real value in these kind of experiments specifically mainly because you can see it like you can see the human behavior in reality. You can see the implications of a strange discovery neuroscience in stained she aided in the real world. It's one thing to learn through. Fm or is that something like different brain regions can function somewhat independently of one another almost as multiple brains within the same head. That don't understand what the other one is doing. You could probably show that in some ways through FM or I. But the split brain experiments show you the texture and the drama of the experience of a real person dealing with these facts about the brain other studies could probably find ways of indicating this but but it is I think valuable how these experiments showed the experience of it right like you can actually see somebody in real time dealing with the fact that they don't understand why they're left hand just did what it did. I was reading a little a little bit about this I ran across Some material written by cognitive psychologists j year Pinto an assistant professor at the Psychology Department at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands and Pinto in their team tested to split brain patients in two thousand seventeen To See if they could respond accurately to objects in the left visual field perceived by the right brain while also responding verbally or with the right hand controlled by the left brain and a Pinto Pinto also wrote about this in a piece for Ian Magazine as well so Pinto in the in the team found they could prove that the individual could perceive stimuli and presence in either side of the visual field. They couldn't compare stimuli across the line of the visual field. When the stimulus appeared in the left field they were better at indicating its visual properties. Attention and When it appeared in the right visual field they were better at labeling. It so the coming back to language Here's how Pinto summed it up and IAN magazine. I just want to read a passage from this because I think it it. Punctuates a lot of what we're talking about here quote based on these findings we have proposed a new model of the Split Brain Syndrome? When you split the brain you still end up with only one person. However this person experiences to streams visual information one of for each visual field and that person is unable to integrate the two streams it is as if he watches an out of sync movie but now with the Audio and video out of sync rather the two unseen streams or both video and there's more while the previous model provided strong evidence for materialism split the brain split the person. The current understanding seems to only deepen the mystery of consciousness. You split the brain into two halves and you you still have only one person. How does a brain consisting of many modules create just one person and how to split brainers operate as one when these parts are not even talking to each other now this study does add some interesting nuance to what we've been talking about before one thing? I feel like I don't maybe I'm just missing something. I feel Pinto is setting up this model as like As like a counterpoint. To the idea of of what spirit and Gonzaga discovered but it seems actually to me kind of in line with what they discovered like the idea that our consciousness is very mysterious. I mean spearing. Gazzaniga would say that despite being able to produce these behaviors that look from the outside like as if they're from two different people The experience of the patient as they've always reported is that they feel like a normal person. Nothing seems to have changed to them right at it. I think in both cases though it it just ended up in this weird conundrum. Almost this paradox. This idea that the single person we feel that we are is in some ways to and in these cases where we see evidence of or seen to see to evidence of what you could call two minds within one brain. They're still functioning as one. They are still one. And so yeah. The paradox of that which is one seems to and that which is to seem as one or more than two. Yeah I mean we've got the two hemispheres of the brain but remember that the hemispheres each full of You know modules and like they're full of millions of neurons and they're working in different networks in modules to accomplish different goals and so I think one of the lessons is definitely different. Parts of the brain can behave and regenerate behaviors independently. And somehow you are here and you end up thinking I am a person. There's one of me but there's a lot of different independent stuff going on inside. Whatever makes you yeah. I come back to that hunter. S. Thompson warns Yvonne Quote You're a whole different person when you're scared and in some Because to some extent as we've discussed you are a different person here at least a different version of the person So yeah how many. How many US are there really? Well I think we can explore this more in the second episode but this really should give us some questions to think about questions about whether our idea of a person or a self is really an accurate understanding of what brains are like or is it just a is just a convenient illusion and that is some stuff to be your mind or minds if you will Hey if you want to check out more episodes of the show while you're waiting for the next episode to drop head on over to stuff to blow your mind dot com. That's where we'll find 'em all that's what you'll find links to our very social media accounts and I WANNA mention again. Check out. Invention at invention pod DOT com. That is our other show. That comes out on Mondays. 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Split Brain, Part 1

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Split Brain, Part 1

"Everybody sometimes things just don't go your way. But what really matters are the choices you make when the odds are against you in the brink hosts aerial cast and Jonathan Strickland shared the stories of entrepreneurs who took a bold step without really, knowing if solid ground would be on the other side, tune into learn how Walt Disney bed is company and his house on the world's first feature length cartoon or how a refugee from Vietnam turned a door to door business into a chili sauce empire every week. The brink will bring you new stories of trials and triumphs about people who didn't let adversity stop their dreams. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts are on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. The Powell is of hide seemed to have grown with the sickness of Jekyll. And certainly the hate that now divided them was equal on each side with Jekyll. It was the thing. Vital instinct, he had now seen the fool deformity of that creature that shared with him some of the nominee of consciousness and was co heir with him to death and beyond these links of community which. Themselves made the most poignant part of his distress. He thought of hide for all his energy of life. As of something not only hellish, but inorganic? This was the shocking thing that the slime of the pit seemed to decries voices that the amorphous dust gesticulated in Sindh that what was dead and had no shape, should you serve the offices of life. Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from how stuff works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. And Robert why are you reading Robert Louis Stevenson adas? Oh, because that's from the strange case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde from eighteen eighty six and it concerns the idea of there being two into dis within the human skull to entities within the mind indeed to minds within the brain. And I think this is an interesting place to start because while it presents a very eroneous vision of the lateral ization of human brain function. It also I get some of the same like hair standing up on the back of the neck that the actual research. We're gonna be talking about today. Does at least for me. Oh, yeah. I mean, Robert Louis Stevenson was fabulous writer, and he's he's one of those authors that you can read today and it holds up so well, did they ever make a good Jekyll and Hyde movie? It's been a very long time since I've saw it. But there was an adaptation may have been a TV adaptation with Michael Cain. Michael cain. Yeah. And I remember really loving that. Being quite disturbed by it as a child. Now, I was thinking there had to be a Jekyll and Hyde with Tim curry as Jekyll and Hyde. But I think maybe I'm confusing that with the muppet Treasure Island where he's oh, you're thinking of the month at jecklin high. He's Long John silver. Man that scene where he tramples Kermit to death is brutal. Well, yeah. So we we are beginning with kind of an Rooney's model. But but I think helpful and because it is often easy to think of the brain as the thing itself. Right. We fall into the Centaur mode of of of thinking of the brain body relationship is being a writer, and it's horse. When instead it is more this idea of a sin tar, this this one single entity, you know, and honestly we see this reflected in so many real and fictional scenarios. Take for instance, the the late physicist, Stephen hawking brilliant, brain within a body that was gradually paralyzed by motor neuron disease or just look to our dreams in which the inner world of the brain runs wild. While the body goes on lockdown, you know, think of our imaginings our inner thoughts versus our outer smile, and then they're all those disembodied brains and science fiction right from crane and his robot body and teenage ninja turtles to the brain. That wouldn't die Kane and RoboCop two one of the best that's one of one of your. Favorites as well. Greatest of all time love crafts, the whisperer in darkness, and so many doctor who characters especially the six brain guy from MSG three K. We just keep coming up with these these visions of the brain as the just sort of the central human thought experience, you know, I never thought of this until now, but actually the brain guy for mystery science theater is kind of a great illustration of Daniel short story thought experiment, where am I I wonder if there's any connection there? It's going to have to we'll have to have to reach out to the mystique guys on that. You know, there are those like plotlines where his brain gets separated from him somewhere else. Of course, we know that things are not as simple, no brain is an island. It's affected by a host of outside influences, including all sorts of environmental nervous stimuli. And we're learning more and more about the role of our microbiome and various parasites in human, cognition. But even if we were to to destroy all of that actually to become a brain in a tank, you know, canes, brain and RoboCop two or or any of these Sifi, visions, take out all that external stuff, just the brain. We'd still have to contend with the fact that the brain like a government is composed of different houses. The brain consists of two cerebral hemispheres connected by the corpus callosum each each is fear with many different modules all of these acting in concert with each other all that interconnected. Yeah. One comparison I've seen in some of the neuroscience research. We're looking at today's that the brain is often described as a computer rhino or by the metaphor of a computer. You know, that it is a computer. But that yeah, there's the analogy that the brain is like a computer in the different parts of the brain or maybe sort of like different programs that run on that computer. But at least one researcher we were reading said, maybe it's more accurate to think of the brain not as a computer running different software. But as a vast network of computers that are each capable of operating independently. But most of the time operate in tandem. It's interesting. This is an example, where if you don't really have much of an understanding how computer works, the the the idea of thinking of the human mind as a computer as technology is is more harmful. But if you have if you have a better understanding of how computer actually works Kapros be more, helpful metaphor. Cuttlefish the second oil age giving them with full of darkness. Don't dispute the arrows data. But if he's down here, we'd no not blood, but darkness the earth's black riches. No. I could taste it on my lip today. I want to talk to you about the science of transgenesis. Turns Genesis dot show. Now, I wanted to I thought it'd be helpful to just go ahead and consider one particular question right up top now, and we've certainly received questions like this following episodes in which brain hemispheres are discussed such as our discussions on the bicameral mind, hypothesis or the alphabet and the goddess because there's this kind of pop understanding right that each side of our brain controlled certain aspects of being and that certain individuals have certain leanings that you have right brained people left brain people, and when we can reconnect with our less favored him as fear. Now, there certainly are some pieces of evidence that we're gonna look at in this episode that certain functions of of human life are strongly lateral is in one half of the brain or the other, but they're not necessarily these phones or personality traits that are understood in popular consciousness, like logic and creativity right like taking or that you're going to take some sort of quiz online and find out if you're a ride or lefty. Yeah. In terms. If your brain. Now, a lot of these ideas apparently were popularized by nineteen seventy nine book, titled drawing on the right side of the brain by Betty Edwards in in the downstream myth that kind of took over a popular culture for a little bit. There is that. Yeah. You had left side logic, right side creativity. And even people who know better people, we still talk like this. I've noticed that. I use this metaphor, even though I know it's wrong. I will sometimes think of people as being very right brained or very left brained, even though that I know that that I've read before about how that's not correct. Well, likewise, if I hear it mentioned San a yoga class, I'm going to be less inclined. I'm not going to be the jerk in the yoga class that like perks up and says, actually, there's some interesting studies, you know, going to sit back and enjoy the class because because it's one of those things that can can feel true, right? Yeah. But the idea goes back further than this particular book. I mean, it goes back to some of the earlier discoveries that we're going to discuss here about his Feerick division. You know, the ideas of neurologist Paul broker lived eighteen twenty four through eighteen eighty a French neurologist or coral Vernita who lived at who have eighteen forty eight through nineteen o five German. They studied patients who had communication troubles due to brain injury, such as you know, left temporal lobe injuries. And they figured that. This was the language that are thus language was a left, hemisphere focus, and this is one thing that actually has been more born out by by good research in in the history of neurosciences that one thing it's very clear, the left hemisphere of the brain does is it is dominant in language function. Yes, it's not that the right brain can't do any language, but it can't do a whole lot of language. Certainly can't do what the left hemisphere can do right now. We we kicked off the episode with reading from Robert Louis Stevenson against Scottish author. He lived eighteen fifty three eighteen ninety four. And according to neuroscientist, Elizabeth wa. Waters who's put together? So, you know, wonderful TED talks and Ted videos about this this this this topic. She points out that rob Louis Stevenson in his book strange case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, presented the notion of a logical left hemisphere that is in combat in, you know, in in in in this struggle with an emotional right hemisphere. And it's it's also worth noting that rubber Louis. Stevenson was also inspired by two popular fringe cases of individuals who exhibited dual personalities their name, they were credited as being a fa- Lita ex and sergeant f okay. And the these were apparently cases that were really, you know, well, covered in French and British press at the time, you know, it's going to popular science influencing popular science fiction. Do you have any sense of whether what was presented to the public about? These cases was largely accurate or leading. I don't. But I'd love to go back and look at it. Because you know, this is a case where you can the science influences the science fiction in the science fiction. Influences to a certain extent how the public thinks about a given topic? Yeah. Now other another influence on rubber Louis Stevenson. Apparently, he had just a terribly high fever at one point during which he claimed to have experienced a split in into which he experienced quote myself, and quote that other fellow who that's creepy. Yeah. So this apparently had a big influence on him. And according to biographer clear Harmon, author of myself and the other fellow duality and the idea of the double self turn up again. And again in Robert Louis Stevenson's work, well, maybe over interpreting here in this could be kind of a mundane parallel. But I mean, it I see stuff like that. Even in Treasure Island, his adventure. Where Long John silver is at the same time a patient and sort of good father figure and also an evil pirate. Yeah. Yeah. This is the the argument, here's the other. This is the type of duality that that he was obsessed with and so much of it so many of his works. I mean, essentially had. A fever and do psychedelic experience. And then this lining up with various elements of his of his life. I mean that is the the meat he chewed upon. But of course, this popular understanding of the left right division. You know, like the side ruled by passion, and the right brain and the side ruled by logic and reason and the left brain. That's not exactly right, right. You know, as we'll explore doctors actually looked to patients with missing brain, Emma's fears or separated him, his fears, and as appealing as this notion may be it didn't really hold up. I mean, they were all still logical and creative beings. Right. You didn't just end up with a, you know, Spock or whatever the opposite of Spock would be in the Star Trek universe to be clear though. Yeah. The brain is divided into Emma's fears and internal regions like the strata m-, the hypothalamus the thelma's and the brain stem. They're also organized with left and right sides as well. Despite appearing to be continuous when you when you look at illustrations of them. Yeah. And for the rest of the episode, and in fact, this is going to be. The first of two episodes. We're going to be looking at ways that despite this this like emotional versus logical split being wrong. There are very interesting ways that the brain hemispheres are different in do different things. In fact, well, we we can start with the mundane ones, I guess, right? Like, Monday, motor control differences. Exactly, we can look to the two arms and legs, for instance, the right hemisphere of the brain controls, the left, arm and leg, the left hemisphere controls the right, arm and leg. Now, I have read that in a wet like both hemispheres can in some way to some degree control both arms. But that when it gets down to like fine motor control of like controlling the actions of the hand, especially that's where it gets really lateral is and like it's really going to be you're right brain, that's controlling what your left hand does with its fingers. Now, a more complex example is in but one that's extremely important is each I has a left and right visual. Field with the left visual fields into the right hemisphere and the right field sent to the left hemisphere. Now, this can also be misunderstood because I've seen it represented in the press in places that were like the left eye goes to the right hemisphere and the right eye goes to the left hemisphere, and that's not quite right either. Because both him his fears can get some information from both is, but it has to do with the side of the visual field that you're talking right? So like stuff that you perceive over to the left part of what you're looking at that goes to the right, hemisphere and stuff you perceive over in the right area of what you're looking at to the right of your center of vision that goes to the left hemisphere, and then our visual experience of reality. It comes together from these two feeds movement and vision, depend than on this union as Feerick relationship. Now. Why do our brains work this way? Yeah, why the crossover? Why don't you just go straight up parallel? It's one of those things about the invited seems needlessly complicated. Right. In the thing is we're not entirely sure one theory that has been discussed is that animals developed is animals develop more advanced nervous systems. There was an advantage in escaping to the right? If something came at you from the left, so these are examples where we can actually look to specific hemispheres and say here here, here's where they are most active, but we can't easily extend this idea to other aspects of cognition, and certainly not to the overall human experience or things like pure, logical, thinking or creativity. No, not that. But there are some cognitive functions that do appear to be pretty strongly ladder allies, in one way or another and one of them, obviously is language we've mentioned this. Yeah. This localized to the left, especially complex language in the power of speech. There is some research indicating that like the right brain might be able to have a sort of simple lexicon or understand very simple bits of language. But if you want to generate a sentence, like speak one out loud or understood. Band complex instructions in language. This is usually going to be dominated by processes in the left hemisphere own. We should also say that everything we say about hemispheres in this episode is going to be for most cases. Are there cases where this is reversed where people have like the switching of which is fear is dominant. But we're talking about the majority of cases here right now. Meanwhile, attention we see that more localized to the right hemisphere. Yeah. And this would be especially things like visual and spatial reasoning. Like, the right hemisphere is going to be very important. If you need to imagine a map in order to give directions, so brain activity unbalancing. We're one s- one side is more active in a given tasks in another this this occurs based on which system is being employed in a given task rather than anything about an individual or their background of this is all of course, assuming a healthy brain. Obviously if one side of your brain is missing there's going to be more activity. Side. It's there. Yeah. Now, no evidence suggested individ- individuals have truly dominant sides of the brain when it comes to their in their personality. Make right you're not like creative right brained or logical left brain, right? And likewise, the logic in creativity split idea. The, you know, again, you'll have individuals that are certainly more logical perhaps or more creative. But as a as neuroscientists, Elizabeth waters as pointed out among many others. Logic and creativity. Are not these two distinct notions. You know, they're deeply interlinked. Yeah. Like being good at logic is in many cases, being a certain type of creative. Yeah. I mean, what you might dismiss as just a really logical exercise like safe solving the complex math problem that may well require that will require some creative thinking, likewise, creative endeavor like say writing a poem finishing a novel coming up with a cool joke. Whatever in those are going to going to be activities that. Also involve logic. In fact, some of what we're going to discuss in this pair of episodes in in the neuroscience research turns this whole thing on its head in a way because the left part of the brain that's more dominant in exercises involving speech and language often tends to be the more creative one in explaining behaviors. Right. It's the one that tends to interpret and come up with explanations for things as will as we'll talk about later on which is a creative exercise. Whereas the right brain tends to more often be the part of the brain that records experiences accurately without creating explanations for them, exactly. And that, but certainly if I'm going to drive home anything we wanna point out that that the creativity logic anything that employs these these two loose idea buckets of of cognition. You know, these are going to be products of whole, brain, cognition are the brain is all these areas of the brain are working together to. Create this affect now. Ultimately in this episode. 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We're back now before we get to the idea of severing, the brain hemispheres, we should probably talk about a little more about broken Vernita. Yeah. These are just two really key individuals to this whole discussion and even just the idea of understanding the human brain. So Paul broker we'll start within again lived eighteen twenty four through eighteen eighty. He was a French surgeon neurologist. And anthropologist, and he is also for anyone who hasn't read the book, but has seen the title. He is the namesake for Carl Sagan's book broke his brain a Sagan describes it will import point holding a jar. Containing the noted scientists brain weight like imagining doing this literally doing literally doing okay holding holding the jar that contains his brain. And then thinking about like what you know talking. He talks a bit about broke in and his his work his personality, but also just sort of meditates on what you're doing. When you when you hold this brain in. Your hands. I want to imagine that having not read this book. It is. In fact, just like a caper story with broke his brain is the macguffin and rated around and their car chases Sagan's trying to get it back from the KGB spies. No, not quite but Dante skull shows as well. No nice. So broke though, he made important contributions to our understanding of cancer the treatment of aneurysms and Faiza into Sagan pointed out broker was also quite concerned with the medical care of the poor. He was a, you know, he was he was a free thinker. He was a strong Darwin supporter and above just about everything he was the founder of modern brain surgery and broke oh was influential in identifying regions of the brain as being especially responsible for certain cognitive functions. Right. Yeah. He investigated the Rhine encephalopathy the smell brain. But his name actually goes to a small region in the left frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex what we call brokers area. This is left hemisphere. Fear third frontal, convoluted to be specific this is the area where our ticket speech is largely localized and controlled and is saying pointed out, given the importance of language and articulate speech in human evolution this portion of the human brain may be considered. In Sagan's words, the seat of our humanity in some respects, and it's also something anatomist have looked for in the remains of our Hamad ancestors such as a homo habilis, Columbia University, anthropologist Ralph hall away Sagan cited studied and claimed to have found evidence for its development of a brokers area some two million years ago in this would have been around the time early tool. Use was beginning also, South African paleo. Anthropologist, Phillip Tobias also made this claim though, according to Susan Kammer associate professor of linguistics Rice University quote. These claims have been controversial mini see regular impressions that could be -scribed to brain structure here. Yeah. Can imagine. It's probably difficult to just look at skulls and figure out what brain regions were evolved. Right. But brokers discovery air broke his namesake. Here is a first of many discoveries that eliminated Himas Feerick separation of function in the brain. And you know, in in really driving home, the idea the specific brain functions might be isolated to specific parts of the brain. Yeah. If there's a certain part in the left hemisphere that seems especially important for language. What else could be ladder allies right now? Just throw in the nowadays you hear more talk of networks as opposed to regions. Yeah. Again, getting his idea that that that that we're looking at at a network of of of different systems and not individual areas that are just doing all the heavy lifting. Now, your brains less like computer may be in more like the internet, right, but a conscious internet that's scary. So horror movie pitch the conscious internet. Yeah. And then it takes physical form via three D printers. But let's also talk about about the German Karl Veronica, okay, have eighteen forty eight thousand nine five Jomon, Jim. Yeah. Blows us the Verna. He was he has another area of the brain that's named for him the Vernita area. And he I described this area in eighteen seventy four and it's found in the posterior third of the upper temporal convoluted of the left hemisphere of the brain. It's close to the auditory cortex seems to play unique role in the comprehension of sound and language reception and comprehension. So the stage is set to discuss the laterals ation of of certain brain functions. But we mentioned earlier that this episode was really gonna end up focusing on cutting brains in half. Yes. And I know you're out there saying winter you gonna cut the brain in half. Robert, I think it's time. We've gotta make the incision. That's right. And what better time to dislike the brain in half in the nineteen sixties and seventies. It's really perfect. I mean, you could really almost it's tempting to just want to think a like a left brain. Right. Blink brain old fashioned idea and have like the nineteen sixties hemisphere in the nineteen. Seventies Simmons fear. Right. There's just something something perfect about the post revolutionary hemisphere. Yeah. No. So we're going to be talking about the research of neuroscientist named Roger Sperry and Michael Gazon Agca. And so actually the brain cutting started in the nineteen forties. But it was in the nineteen sixties that the research on people with severed hemispheres really got going. That's right. And they they discovered something. That's that's was seemingly amazing that if you split the brain use you essentially split the person as well it in a certain sense and not in another sense. And we'll we'll have to define that as we go on. But the, but just think about it for just the the the the promise, the the the tease of this idea that there would be one person per him as fear of the brain this division of the self getting back to this idea in a certain sense of myself and the other guy, right, right? Oh, that's right. The rubber Louis Stevenson. And and this is work. They would eventually earned Sperry the Nobel prize in medicine in one thousand nine hundred eighty one now during this this these decades of research Sperry, performed experiments on cats monkeys and humans and focused a lot of attention on the neuron pack, corpus callosum that bridges the hemispheres. This is often described as sort of like a broadband internet cable, like an internet backbone, fiber optic or something that connects to him as fierce together and enables most of the exchange of information between them right now with non human animals, he surgically split the brains producing what he called a split brain in which each side seemed to function independently of the other, and he also found that an animal with a split brain could memorize double the information. I didn't read that. Yeah. That was a tidbit. I ran across creepy now. Obviously him not being a mad scientist villain in like a serial in comic. Booker something he didn't split human brains just for experiments. That's right. Fortunately for him. There were already humans walking around with split brains because they had had because there were patients who had had their corpus callosum separated severed as a treatment for epilepsy. And so he was able to get a number of these individuals to volunteer for his experiments. Yes. So this procedure was not done for experiments, obviously, it was done as a medical treatment. And it's known as a corpus, California me. And so the theory behind it was that an epileptic seizure is sort of like a storm of activity in the brain with too many neurons firing and triggering chaotic activity all throughout both hemispheres in the idea was if you cut the corpus callosum if you sever that broadband internet connection between the two hemispheres of the brain you limit the ability of one of these seizures to spread from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, and in many cases, where severe epilepsy could not be treated by any other means the surgery actually was. Considered effective. I think especially later versions of the surgery of less so in the forties more. So I think in the sixties on, but the surgery generally isn't used today because we have on the whole safer better less radical treatments for epilepsy. Now, they're they're drugs that are pretty effective, and there are less radical surgeries you can do. And it's not known exactly how many patients ever received a corpus callosum Demy in history of seen estimates including somewhere between fifty and one hundred total patients, I've read Michael Zonta estimated that there were over one hundred patients who had received one now, obviously, not all of these patients volunteered for split brain neurology research, but some did in one of the really interesting things to point out is that we'll have to keep coming back to this is that despite the radical nature of the surgical intervention cutting to him as fears apart and basically preventing them from communicating with one another most patients reported that their lives were. Generally normal after the surgeries their families did not usually report any major changes in behavior personality or cognitive ability. Michael Gonzaga, says that generally, quote, you wouldn't know it if you were talking to such a patient. Yeah. I've read that the really the only notable results of this outside of you know, perhaps some experimental stuff is gonna come up was that they didn't have the seizures anymore. Yeah. That that was the goal. And that was the the the primary experiential difference by and large people underwent this procedure, it the two halves of their brain apart, and they seem to mostly unchanged now on the other hand, I have read some anecdotes about changes certain patients faced especially right after the surgery during like an adaptation period, for example, a twenty twelve article in nature news by David Wolman recounts. The experiences of patient named Vicky who received a California me in nineteen seventy nine to treat terrible seizure. She was having a story that her. Procedures were so bad that one time she'd like fell on a stove and burned her back while she was having one. And so she says that for the first few months after her surgery. She would stand in the grocery store trying to pick items off of the shelf, but having severe difficulty just picking up items. She says, quote, I'd reach with my right right hand for the thing. I wanted but the left would come in and they'd kind of fight almost like repelling, magnets. And she would apparently have similar troubles. When trying to get dressed in the morning woman writes, quote, Vicky couldn't reconcile what she wanted to put on with what her hands were doing. Sometimes she ended up wearing three outfits at once. And then Vicki says, quote, I'd have to dump all the clothes on the bed. Catch my breath and start again, and I've read other accounts along these lines that a few split brain patients described things like this one image one hand buttoning up a shirt and the other hand following immediately behind it and unbuttoned. All the buttons. Oh, interesting. But these these type of descriptions are apparently not typical most reports indicate that people's behavior. Cognitive ability personality, all that was is mostly unchanged and even in Vicki's case after about a year, she was mostly back to normal in terms of everyday activities. She says she could you know, slice vegetables to cook and operate machines. And all that. And this is in line with other reports amazingly you can completely sever the connection between the two hemispheres of the brain. And most of the people you do this to function normally in day to day life afterwards before we even get to the other strange stuff. We're talking about that in itself seems crazy. Yeah. I I am just always amazed. When you when you hear about the things that can be done to the brain. And the ways that the brain can can can bounce back and behave just relatively normally or just or seemingly completely normally even in the face of catastrophic injuries. The brain can often find a way. Way the mind finds a way. But of course, despite these reports that people are generally unchanged. What we're about to talk about is that if and what Sperry in Gonzaga discovered is if you apply some special conditions in the lab, you can see some really strange in thrilling things at work in the split brain patients. Yeah. The crux of this comes down to the very visual processing we discussed earlier left visual field. Right side of the brain. Right visuals. Field left side of the brain. So in a split brain the left side of the brain can't see the left field of vision. And the right side of the brain can't see the right visual field or generally can't generally generally speaking, and we'll we'll get into the meat of this in a minute. But but it's going to lead to split brain cats with eyepatches in split brain monkeys with memorization because as we mentioned again, he did conduct animal experiments to see how this to to to reveal what was going on in the animal experiments were very they produced very. Strange and fascinating results. But you always wonder well, okay. You know, animal brains are just different than human brains. So what happens with the actual human? So I was reading an account of their very first patients burying Zonta is very I split brain patient in that that David Wolman article. And it was a man known as w j a lot of times. These patients are known just by first name, or by initials, you know, to protect their their identity, and apparently WJ had served as a paratrooper in World War Two and he suffered a head injury during the fighting a Nazi had smashed him in the head with the rifle bud and afterwards, he experienced severe seizures and was treated with the California me and so in nineteen sixty two after the surgery because on ago rand visual field experiments with WJ in what he found was amazing. So the standard setup of one of these experiments is that you have the patient focus on dot in the middle of screen. And then you flash a visual stimulus in the. Peripheral visual field on one side or the other. And the scientists new from previous research that this would mean stimuli shown to the left visual field as we've been saying would usually be perceived only by the right, hemisphere and stuff shown in the right visual field would be perceived only by the left hemisphere. But now that the hemispheres can't talk to each other anymore. What happens so WJ was shown images in his left or right visual fields. And then ask to press a button. And then asked to say what he saw and went an image was shown to his left hemisphere. The part, we know is primarily responsible for language. He had no problems at. All. Right. You show the left brain, whatever you want, a cat, or, you know, show him RoboCop. And then they'll press the button to indicate they saw something, and he'll say I saw RoboCop, but when they showed an image to WJ's, right hemisphere. What he said was that he saw nothing, but strangely enough his left hand. Which remember, of course, the left hand is connected to the right hemisphere. His left hand. And pressed the button when he saw the image, even though the part of his brain responsible for speech was saying out loud. I don't see anything. I mean, take take a second to think about that. Like when I I read that. I was like, oh, okay. Oh, and then it hit me. And I got the chills. I mean, you know, the hair stands up on the back of my neck, literally. Yeah. Because what we're we're imagining ears. We read this discuss it is it's not a complete slicks like separation of self, right? It's like a temporary duality like a flash of duality where in in the very place where we we want and expect to find some sort of continuity of self. Well, it's yeah. It's like peeking in and seeing a quick glimpse of a reality that may be far more true and accurate description of how the brain is than we would like to admit or that normally seems true to us because again, we always feel unified and the split brain patients. Feel unified. We'll revisit this a little more. But they don't report feeling like two different people. They just feel normal. This is just how I am. And yet from an objective outsider's point of view. It's almost as if you've got two different people taking the test at the same time one is registering. I see something with a hand. And the other is saying he doesn't see anything. And yet it only seems this way own under certain conditions and only from the outside. Now, if you wanna see an example of this, you can actually see one of these experiments demonstrated on film. There's like a short documentary segment feature that I think is up on YouTube still there's a patient named Joe who is working with Gazon Augusta. And this looks like it's the nineteen eighties or so and it demonstrates a typical experiments. So you show either words or pictures to the left brain only and jokin name them out loud, just fine. So he, you know, you show him the word car or picture of a car. He says car show him the word grapes or picture of grapes. He says grapes. Everything seems. Normal because it's all going to the left hemisphere, and that's the hemisphere that talks you show a word to the right brain only in this case the word pan flashes on the far left side of the screen and suddenly Joe is stumped. Just based on my read. It looks to me like he seems to be aware that he saw something like there's a kind of recognition that looks to me at least like he is aware something appeared, but can't say what it is. And with a little shrug and a shaking of his head. He says, I didn't see it. But then Gonzaga has him closed his eyes and draw with his left hand, which is controlled mostly by the right, hemisphere and his left hand draws a pan. Oh, wow. Again, legitimate chills. And of course, after he draws it. And looks at it with both eyes. He can say, yeah, I saw a pan. But the part of his brain that talks didn't seem to know he'd seen a pan until after his left hand, drew it. Another type of experiment carried out you. Take a split, brain patient and simultaneously show. Two different pictures on the to to the two different hemispheres, you show a hammer to the left hemisphere, and you show a sought to the right hemisphere. And you ask what did you see? Of course, the speaking part of the brain says a hammer the person says I saw hammer, but then when asked to draw with the left hand, the patient draws a saw and you ask them why did you do that? And the patient in this one case the case of Joe says, I don't know knowing other cases like this versions of this test. Sometimes the speaking part of the brain will not just say, I don't know. But we'll actually seem to make up stories about why their brain produced a certain output that the left part of the brain. The speaking part doesn't seem to understand and they'll just it confabulation an explanation. Well, you know, they might say well because you know, I I was thinking about this other thing because you said this thing earlier or something well that makes sense. I mean, it's almost like a supernatural experience. Right. And and you know, logically, you can try and find some sort of answer to it. But the answer you give and apparently the I mean, there's no indication these people were just consciously lying about their motivations the answer. You give. And apparently, the answer you seem to believe is is not true is just like you. You can come up with explanations for your own behavior that are completely wrong, and we can show why they're wrong, but you are not aware that they're on. It can be wrong about your own mind. Right. And even without a split brain. Of course, humans are very capable of of coming up with false reasons for whatever they believe they did. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I think that's entirely correct. And that sort of what I what I'm thinking. We might be able to extrapolate here. So one of the most amazing things to me about this kind of research is is that this can happen to the brain for the most part. Nobody seems to notice it takes a lab experiment. Like this to draw it out like not the people who interact with the split brain patient. Remember that family? Members usually report, no major changes in personality or cognitive ability as David woman points out in his nature article the patients themselves say they quote, never reported feeling anything less than hole in the words of Michael Zonta. The severed hemispheres do not seem to notice that they have been severed, and they don't report missing each other. Oh, so this raises so many questions. First of all, why are they connected in the first place if they can be severed like this and not seem to notice that that's an interesting. They like, what's the reason for this? This connection second. How is this possible? Like, how's it possible to cut a brain in half? And have it not seem to notice anything different and not behave much different India? I mean, even the light of everything we've talked about it. Seems it seems kind of impossible. It seems seems like it's the like like it's magic trick a grotesque magic trick. But imagine on the list will maybe we should discuss a possible explanation for this after a break. Investigators have been desperate to figure out how that family flew off that cliff in California, and whether it was on purpose early the morning of March twenty six rescue workers repelled down the cliff where they lifted the dead bodies of three children arm to the point where I no longer. I'm calling this an accident. I'm calling it a crime who are these women, and how did they come to adopt six children two sets of three black siblings. They were one of my early role models or what like non traditional family, look like we looked up to her like, wow, she's the best parent in the world. We're horrible. I don't mind helping out. There's some choose it. I feel as being highly abused. He was eating on the garbage like something's not right about there since she's told me about it. I just can't live with it. I'm very concerned for these kids from glamour, and how stuff works this is broken hearts. Listen and. Subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. All right. We're back. Okay. So we're asking the question of how is it possible? Given these split brain experiments where you sever the corpus callosum the two hemispheres of the brain are separated, and now functions that are dominated by one hemisphere of the brain or the other can can take place can go on independently without the other part of the brain seeming to be aware, and this even leads to stuff like the right brain being aware of a piece of information that motivates action like say, you show, the right brain a picture the left hand, which is mainly controlled by the right brain can draw a picture of that thing and the left brain doesn't know why it happened in the person speaking gives a maybe a made up explanation of where that image came from. How is this kind of thing possible Gonzaga explains it in terms of what he sort of calls interpreter theory? The interpreter is the idea of the part of your brain Gonzaga thinks this is localized in the left hemisphere that comes up with this. Contrived explanation for why your your brain did something that it doesn't actually understand. And we can know in many cases, this explanation is bunk because we know where the actual stimulus for the behavior came from. It was shown to the other half of the brain that the speaking part of the brain doesn't know about. And so because on Agha's ideas that this interpreter function its main role is to create a sense of self to sort of we've an autobiographical narrative about the self that make sense, even if it makes sense in a completely false way. That does not actually explain the real things that happened in the real motivations for behavior. It just comes up with post talk explanations for behaviors in, you know, this reminds me of I'm sure you've read about this before a there's a a metaphor that's often used I don't know where it comes from in the first place, but sometimes the psychologist Jonathan height invokes said of the elephant in the Ryder, oh, you know, to explain the conscious and unconscious brain so in the case. Of the unconscious versus the conscious brain the conscious mind is a person is like a person riding on top of an elephant. And the elephant is the unconscious mind and the writer thinks they are driving steering the elephant around. But actually the elephant goes where it wants and the writer is just writing right there along for the ride wherever the elephant goes, nevertheless, the rider will always be able to come up with some explanation for why they meant to steer the elephant in the direction. Right. Like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I actually wanted to go over to that mudhole and get showered and mud because because I was hot and the mud is cooling me off now. But in this scenario the elephant, of course, is the one calling the shots, actually. Right. I mean. Yeah. Elephants love mud holes right now. Of course, not to be a stickler here to company at the issue, but you could have a hoot in their belief. The term is is moot. The individual who who will sometimes stand to the side and using a stick to touch different parts of the elephant make it go where it needs. To go. Oh, well, we know quite well that often the unconscious mind of a person can be controlled by manipulation from the outside without the rider being aware that they're not driving. I mean think about the ways people are are manipulated in their unconscious drives and desires by advertising by media by drugs by oh. So all of these things are the stick of the minute, which I'm sure has a particular name that I'm I'm not aware of and in the mood to is represents the interests of corporations, and governments and religious groups, etc. It's driving somebody's unconscious mind around while they think they're the driver. And I mean, no matter the elephants going to be calling the shots, whether it's being manipulated or it's just following its nature. But either way the drivers always going to be able to come up with stories. Yeah. This is why we went over here. I planned it this way all along. I wanted to buy this product. Now, this is a kind of. Case, but the analogy here is that the talking explaining interpreting part of the left brain, according to a Gonzaga's theory is making up stories about why the now alien right brain does what it does. Which of course, it still shares a body. So it control some of the same limbs and stuff win the interpreter really has no idea why the other part of the brain did what it did. Now. I think we should probably take a minute to emphasize the drawbacks and limitations of split brain research. One of them is that as riveting as I feel like this kind of thing is I think for one thing due to the necessity of the small sample sizes in the unusual history of the patients involved. This is the kind of research that's better thought of as a jumping off point to inspire questions and hypotheses that you should really try to prove through other means of possible. Like a lot of modern neuro-scientists for probably say that you can learn more with more confidence from brain. Imaging studies like FM, Orion and stuff, then you can from a very small cohort of people with called- sodomy is right, right. But at the same time that that may be true. But I do think there's real value in these kind of experiments specifically mainly because you can see it like, you can see the human behavior in reality. You can see the implications of a strange discovery in neuroscience in stanchi aided in the real world. It's one thing to learn through FM alrigh- that something like different brain regions can function somewhat independently of one another almost as multiple brains within the same head that don't understand what the other one is doing you could probably show that in some ways through Famour, I, but the split brain experiments show, you the texture in the drama of the experience of a real person dealing with these facts about the brain other studies could probably find ways of indicating this. But, but it is I think valuable how these experiments showed the experience of it. Right. Like. You can actually see somebody in real time dealing with the fact that they don't understand why they're left hand. Just did what it did. I was reading a little a little bit about this. I ran across some material written by cognitive psychologists. Yeah. Year Pinto, an assistant professor at the psychology department at the university of Amsterdam in the Netherlands and Pinto in their team tested to split brain patients in two thousand seventeen to see if they could respond accurately to objects in the left visual field perceived by the right brain while also responding verbally or with the right hand controlled by the left, brain and Pinto Pinto. Also wrote about this in a piece for Ian magazine, as well so Pinto in the in the team found that they could be that the individual could perceive stimuli and presence in either side of the visual field, but they couldn't compare stimuli across the mid line of the visual field when the stimulus appeared in the left field. They were better at indicating its visual properties. Attention. And when it appeared in the right visual field. They were better at labeling it so coming back to language, here's how Pinto summed it up in Ian magazine. I just want to read a passage from this because I think it it punctuates a lot of what we're talking about here quote based on these findings. We have proposed a new model of the split brain syndrome when you split the brain you still end up with only one person. However, this person experiences to streams of visual information one of for each visual field, and that person is unable to integrate the two streams it is as if he watches an out of sync movie. But now with the audio and video out of sync rather the to unseat streams are both video in there's more while the previous model provided strong evidence for materialism split the brain split, the person, the current understanding seems to only deepen the mystery of consciousness, you split the brain into two halves. And yet you still have only one person how does a brain consisting of many modules create just one person and how to split. Brainers operate as one when these parts are not even talking to each other. Now this study, I think does add some interesting nuance to what we've been talking about before one thing. I feel like I don't maybe I'm just missing something. I feel like Pinto is setting up this model as like as like a counterpoint to the idea of of what spirit Gonzaga discovered, but it seems actually to me kind of in line with what they discover like the idea that our consciousness is very mysterious. I mean, spearing Zonta would say that despite being able to produce these behaviors that look from the outside like as if they're from two different people the experience of the patient as they've always reported is that they feel like a normal person. Nothing seems to have changed them right at I think in both cases, though, it just end up in this weird conundrum almost this paradox. This idea that the single person we feel that we are is in some ways to and in these cases. Where we see evidence of or seemed to see to evidence of what you could call two minds within one brain. They're still functioning as one they are still one. And so yeah, the paradox of that which is one seems to and that which is to seem as one or more than two. Yeah. I mean, the we've got the two hemispheres of the brain. But remember, the hemisphere is each full of you know, modules and elect their full of millions of neurons and they're working in different networks and modules to accomplish different goals. And so I think one of the lessons is definitely different parts of the brain can be h-have and regenerate behaviors independently. And somehow you are here, and you end up thinking, I am a person there's one of me, but there's a lot of different independent stuff going on inside. Whatever makes you. Yeah. I come back to that hunter S. 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28: Be Healthy and Love Gatsby with Jason Lengstorf

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28: Be Healthy and Love Gatsby with Jason Lengstorf

"This is react podcast. I'm chastity. Today. I'm joined by Jason Ling store. Incredible speaker, amazing developer and currently developer advocate, forgets me. There's no secret that I love Gatsby. So I had to get him on to talk about. What's new in version sue how people can contribute and find success using gasping? Now, Jason's also productivity with some amazing talks. So we dive into that at the second half of the episode. I think you'll find what he has to say incredibly valuable. Let's I've into the show. I it word from our sponsor. This absurd. React podcast is brought to you by react training. They provide in-person hands on training for development teams from community leaders and experts for more information, visit react training dot com. Jason welcome to the show. Hey, you here. Thanks for having me. I am super excited for all the things that we could talk about I'm going to do my best to make sure that we keep it to a regular fortyish minutes in that have like a three hour conversation. 'cause I know you got things to do. And you know, people got their commutes aren't that long? So first of all, I just wanted to get a sense of who you are for anyone who is listening, and I'm doesn't who you are. What's the with the high level on you? The high level on me is that I am working in developer relations at Gatsby guess visa react framework for building high-performance websites. I've been doing devil there since about March prior to that I worked as a friend architect that IBM for a while. And part of that I used to run a an agency do some freelance stuff that kind of fun thing outside of that. I don't know. I I guess that's that's really my whole identity. Have a way of doing that to us. Right. It's absolutely true. So how big's the team at Gatsby right now, we are at fifteen and growing kind of not growing aggressively. But I think that that's on the horizon. Here's assuming all goes. Well, what are the big on big things that you're looking forward to and building out in the gas bi-community? So we're we're working on a couple of things that I'm really proud of. So I work in in developer relations, which means that like the area of Gatsby that I own is community like, my, that's my direct responsibility. Awesome. Got amber Lee Romo who is wonderful developer getting people up and running with easy PR's good. I issues a really good way to onboard first time contributors, and then we've also got Shannon Soper who is leading our docks effort. She's like standing up, docs issues and people are just not. In those down. We've got Dustin Xiao on our open source team, helping make the core issues more accessible to people because you know, gets PISA complicated piece of software. Right. So to get into the guts of it, you need to have a lot of context. So Dustin is a great job of pointing to the right places to get that context that you don't need to know all of Gatsby to fix this one issue. That's one that I'm really excited about we're expanding our swag program. So we. We will give anybody who contributes to Gatsby free swag. That's something that we do to just, you know, thank you for being part of the community and to show appreciation for the people who are willing to put their time into making gets be a better place. So we've got T shirts socks things like that. But now, we're adding more higher value swag. Right. So we're going to get some some lake vacuum-sealed travel mugs. We're gonna get hoodies. We're gonna get we've got lapel pins coming in. And then this is so this one's my favorite. We are getting what we're calling freelance pants, which are actually just pajama pants. So we've got we've got two two prints of pajama pants one. That's like very business. It's like black with a with a dark grey logo on it. And then we've got one that way more fun. That's this Chris like bright purple pattern. That's got the Gatsby logo and the graph q logo and the react logo all kind of like hand-drawn on them. So they're really silly, really fun. That's probably in lake so Marissa more be our product manager. She came up with the name for freelance pants, and I as ING absolutely in love it there. Least hoping you on like the dot com and the Twitter and all that kind of stuff for them. Okay. I'm going to have to buy that before this airs. You gotta be me on there right now. Do you have to contribute at a certain level? Liger those for like really big projects. How does that work? Yes. So the any contribution like even typo fix will get you a t shirt or socks or or stickers or whatever for the higher value items. What we're doing is. We're looking at at number of contributions. And so there's not really any limit on that like we don't want. We don't want to become gatekeepers of what's acceptable. Right. We just want people to participate. And so for us like any five contributions cool. You get you get a whatever you want. And then we also we just sell them like at cost, right? So for from our standpoint, we we want people to have access to this stuff. And like, we don't look at swag revenue source. We foot the Bill on shipping and stuff too. Right. So it's for us. It's you know it. It's no matter where you on the world, we're gonna send you swag. We're not gonna charge you for shipping. We're only charge the cost to produce thing. Or if you do stuff on the repo, we'll just going to send you the thing for free. So we really want more people involved in the community that way how did that practice start? Because it seems like a really big part of the community every day in tons of tweets about people getting their swag. And there's super excited about it. And it feels very warm and friendly what was the idea the inspiration behind that? So when gets Bhagat funding, right? So we're venture back now. And we started looking at like, okay. So how do we make sure that as a venture backed company, we don't alienate the community because it's really easy. If you do it that way. Like, okay, we're now a company we need to make money were about business metrics and all of the singer true. But Gatsby is an open source project and open sources built on the community. And so the most important part of Gatsby succeeding as a company is that we don't alien. Innate our community. So the swag project is kind of a it's our way of trying to send a really strong signal that the most important thing to us is the community. That's also why we offer like free pair programming. So anybody who wants to in the community can sign up for an hour. And one of the core Gatsby team members will pair up with you through video call to work on any project, you want I've been doing open our so I'm in Portland, Oregon and once a month, I've just been going to a coffee shop, and I worked there for a few hours and anybody who wants to can come by. And all help you on your projects. So we're trying to kind of expand this effort a little bit. We're trying to get more people. We open source our workshop format so that anybody in the community can then take our workshop and go and give it you don't have to write a workshop, you just have to show up and follow the instructions, so that, you know, it's easier for people to get involved to build their resume to to kind of use Gatsby as a way of building your career, right? Like, we want you to be stronger developer because by making you better. You may. Our community better. And you know, that's that's the best outcome for everybody. This is something I've seen a lot the value of out teaching your competition to to give people the opportunity to succeed using your platform and making sure that they feel like they have the tools to be successful. It seems like that that culture of sharing is becoming more and more popular more and more valuable a a great way to kind of market a product by also supporting the the industry in the people who are using it one of the things that bothers me the most about like when people talk about companies as as like capitalist entities, right? And I'm not going to get political. I know I had capitalist. What I what I see is a lot of times people mistake capitalism for like only profit, right? Like, the the goal of these companies is to get the best like the most value and the way that you get the most value is by building the best community because the best community is going to go out and sell for you. They're going to they're going to help you expand your community. Get you more customers. They're going to be happier. Which means they stay longer. They become loyal like if you focus on your community. That's just good business. And I have never understood companies who think that like, hey, let's you know, sponsor and event for our community. Like that's a waste of money. I'm like, are you crazy? That's the best. That's the best use of your money like give back your community constantly because every single company that does it you see that value. You know, the people who get deeply invested in brands. They don't do it. Because the company is like, hey, look at this. Great thing they do it because the company is is really investing in their community. And I and I just I just I can't really. Imagine. How companies don't see the value in that? So if someone is looking to contribute to Gatsby what's the best way for them to start. Like, where's the best place for them to get a foothold and kind of go from there? We have a really good contributing section in our docks, which links to all the different ways that you can become a contributor. So we don't just ask for code k contributions. We have you know, obviously, docs, and less obvious ones lake. Give a talk on Gatsby. Add a site to our site, showcase or you know, things things like that. That may not seem like actual contributions to Gatsby. But from our perspective are absolutely contributions like community events are contribution to Gatsby. So there are lots of ideas there for ways that you can get involved, and we also have links to different lists of issues that have been curated for like, this is a good first issue, or this is this is a documentation issue that kind of stuff. Okay. And where do people find that repository? It's it's on Gatsby AS dot org in the docks section down at the bottom of the dockside bar. There's a whole section on contributing with with details on the swag program. Details on how to get started. And all that good stuff. Cool cool, and we'll link that in the show notes. So you can you can go right there. Let's talk about a little bit about the actual tech at its core Gatsby is a static site generator. But that's not one hundred percent true. It seems. To be significantly more than the static generators that we've used in other languages, maybe like Jekyll in ruby. Or can't remember the go one, but but static site generators like that can you speak a little bit more to like, what makes gasps special? Yes. So so to be clear like the stuff that gets be does is stuff that you can do with any static site generator the differences that Gatsby focuses on it. And so it's a it's a primary objective for us. And what we do is we do generate static assets. But typically what that means with something like say Jekyll jackals gonna compile down to static assets that are are HDLC's in. Maybe if you write custom Java script there will be job stripped what Gatsby is doing is. It's compiling down to H S. And then once the page loads it rehydrate s- to a react up and. So what that means for the developer is that you're building static assets. But you're not actually sacrificing any of the dynamic capabilities of using react. So you can make a synchronous data calls you can have lots of user interactions. You could you can set client only route. So you can handle things like authentication. We for example, are swag stores a Gatsby app, we build the products at build time. So we pull the product data down and build the site, and it's got products, but then the cart, interactions, and the user education that's all handled dynamically at Runtime. So to do that in something like Hugo, you definitely can. But you you're then responsible for building the react app. Injecting that react up into the Hugo templates, and then kind of managing it that way. Whereas with Gatsby the react app is the static site generator. And so that's the primary difference. And it's also one of the reasons that you. Might not need it. If you're just building static sites, and you don't need any of that that dynamism or or just you're not a reactive Ella per like, you may not need it like sometimes it is overkill, but you know, the benefits that you're gonna get are we really focused on keeping that dynamism there. We really focus on performance, and we focus on giving you a really really friendly developer experience. So for Java scrip- developers as far as it in. My obviously biased opinion, the the developer experience. For a Java script developer using Gatsby is going to be superior to any of the other any other statics generators out there. Because either they're not written in Java script or they're they're designed more from lake. Do it yourself perspective. And they're definitely they're exceptions to that. Like react static is really really good. Don't get me wrong. You know, it just when you hit the edges when you hit the edge cases, you hit him pretty hard that that makes sense. I'd never heard it put. Like that. But basically, you can think about this static site as a dynamic site from the beginning like from the very first line of code that. You're right. Exactly. That's awesome. So tell me what are the core technologies that that you interact with when you're building against site. So the the core technologies are going to be react and graph y'all. And then you're you're CSS library of choice. What what you'll never have to think about which is what I think makes gets be wonderful is you don't ever have to set up your Bill process. So things like web pack end. So your web pack set up. Your babble set up your your build process. That's all abstracted away inside a Gatsby for advanced developers. We have escape hatches where you can get to those configuration files and change them. But for for most people, it's not something you need to do you typically won't ever have a reason to go in there and less you're doing something really special. So when you when you make those those changes, you're going to open up a editor like you're gonna use the Gatsby CLI to generate a new site opened up the index page, and edit it, and it'll live update on the internet or on your browser instantly. Like no setup step whatsoever. And yeah, so reacting graph all are going to be your your primary, building blocks. Now had mentioned that the Gatsby store is powered by by Gatsby, and then the checkout the cart process is all namic is that site open source, or do you have an example of how someone might be able to do that? Yeah. The the whole store is open source, and we have a couple examples in our our core repo and the Gatsby repo on get hub. There's an examples folder that has like a simple off example and a dynamic routes examples. So that you can you can see reduced examples how to make that stuff work. But yeah, the the store is probably the canonical example right now of building a really dynamic app. Yeah. This is this is one thing that I'm super excited about just seeing this space of or you have an app that is fully built down into Sadeq assets. But is capable of doing anything that you would do? Do on like a regular database driven the traditional kind of rails or node site. Yeah. This is this is something that like I feel like this is going to be the hill that I die on is that there's there is no such thing as a web app that couldn't be static asset because what I've been finding is that every single website is like itchy Mon CSS and a little bit of Java script that is built from data. And that data is either going to come in through the server. That's also serving your HD mound. CSS Java script or it's going to come from an API. And functionally those are equivalent, it's just an organisational thing. So as a company you can almost like, I I have yet to find a good reason not to make your you eye and open source example of how to use your API's because it's the latest you if you think about a company like this. This is one of the reasons that I ended up not sticking around at IBM is that I was making this argument, but like IBM. Mm cloud is a cloud services provider. So they're they're spinning up object storage, and you know, like databases, and all these things all that's done through micro services that are API based. So the UI of IBM cloud is just making API calls and displaying that data. And so if you if you think about it that way, the best possible example, you can have of how to use your API's would be open sourcing your UI. Right. Yes. -olutely? So anyways, I kept making that case and people kept agreeing with me and nothing happened. So that was why. The ended up going to be I was like we should build a Gatsby site. And they were like they were like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someday someday. And then I got on a call with Kyle combat use the foundry Gatsby, and I was like, well, I wanna do all these things. He's like, you sound super frustrated. Do you wanna come work for me? Smart man, throw man, get a mother and pain, right? That's awesome. So what is the performance out of the box of Gatsby site. I know some big topics right now, our performance and assess ability and lighthouse scores and all that kind of stuff. What do you get for free? Just by using the Gatsby CLI. If you use gas Basile I to build the site using our default Gatsby starter, which would be if you have the Gatsby CLI installed like Gatsby new and the name of my site will build a gas site for you that will get a straight one hundred percents on a web page tests dot org, and in lighthouse, and the reason is that under the hood were doing code. Splitting were doing image. Optimizations were doing lazy loading of assets were doing background prefect ching, we're installing the service worker and offline support. So we're kind of taking all the performance boxes by default. And then you as developer I feel like we're inverting the paradigm, right? So instead of saying here's a blank slate. Make something excellent. And also take all these considerations for performance. And and so on we're saying, here's a website. That's done. Like all of the boxes are checked. All you have to do is make it beautiful. And that's that's kind of the the approach. We wanna take with with Gatsby in general is like it's done when you start you all you have to do is change some content. And we think that this is this is the way that ultimately, we pushed the web forward right is is if we make it we're trying to make the right thing the easy thing. That's kind of a mantra of mine is is if you if you look at what the behavior you want people to follow is lake making websites accessible making, you know, we just installed reach router instead of react router on gasping because it's acceptable by default. So now, developers don't have to think about accessibility just happens. All they have to do is not break it instead of implementing it in the first place. And so we, you know, we we always try to make those decisions. How can we make the best decision for the user the easy? Vision for the developer are there places in the sites that you're seeing built that people typically or regularly opt out of the the defaults or is it pretty easy to not have to go that deep into the guts like is everything kind of exposed at a level that most people can kind of just start and have everything they need to go. But also enough room on the back end kind of like push back a little bit. Typically, speaking people don't need to make changes to the underlying code in gasping, where we find it happening is people who want to use like the latest and greatest whatever. They need to like eject are babble configure. They can put in plug ins to get whatever. The new feature is or people will want to put in special handling in web pack for for a thing that they want to use. And so they have to like add they have to add loaders in web pack, but typically speaking lake for the the the most average use cases like I'm gonna build an app, I wanna use emotion or glamour or CSS modules. I wanna have like fascinating images, we've got plug ins for all that it handles all that for you. So you should very rarely find yourself needing to get off the beaten path. It's, you know, it's it's basically like you wanna you wanna go like pioneering and build something brand new absolutely app. But like I said, we we've got API that just eject that convict for you, very cool. Now, I know there's some kind of tension for a lot of people in using graph Q L and the way that you interface with the the file system and what kind of guided that decision and what's the big win. They're a great way of thinking about this is if you think about what you would have to do with the rest API to make a series of call. So let's say that you have authors on your on your blog, and it's a code block. So when you have your authors, you also want to pull down maybe their most popular three repos from get hub. So to do that in a arrest way, you would have to make a call to your blog database to get the author data, and then you would have to use that off. Data to make a rest call to get hubs API to get back the repos, and then you'd have to manually combine that data into one object. So that you could then pass it to your your react components and display it. In graph, Q L, all of that data mapping gets done ahead of time. So what we'll do is. We'll take the blog authors. And then you use the get hub plug in, and we know to map like this data to that data. So that you can just say, okay. Give me this blogs, author and go into their get hub and get the top three repos. And then you just get Jason object back with all that data, and you can just display it, right? So you don't have to make to rest calls. You don't have to do that. And you can imagine this get significantly more complex, right? Like if you're looking at elegant normalize react arrest API, you typically are only gonna get back list of ID's forthing. So you've got your post, and then your comments are going to be a list of common ID. So then you have to make a rest call for each one of those comments to load, the comment data, and then the comment data is going to have a list of author ID's. And so now, you're going deeper and deeper and deeper, and you end up with these nested chains and the other problem to those have to be synchronous right because you can't make the comment. Call. Until you have the posted. And so then you have these synchronous chains of of data which slows down your app, so with graph Q, we can do all of that ahead of time. And we can combine all that data into a single API. And there's been a ton of work that we didn't do on how to how to optimize those queries. How to cash things when they come in. How to make sure that we're not duplicating rest calls and to like make this officiant as possible. So that you're getting performance benefits for it. You're also getting an easier. API you can open up graphical in your browser and graphical is a graph Q L kind of gooey where you open up a tab in your browser that gives you a field where you can write graph. You'll corey's and on the right hand side. There's docks that will show you every single field in your graph, y'all data set so that you can just look at them right him down and then hit play and see the data come back in real time in when that's done. You can literally copy paste, your graph, y'all Corey out of graphical in into your UI and get that exact same data. So it's a the way that I always explained graph. You all the people is it you're gonna hate it until you used it for half a project, and then you'll never not use graph. Well. Because the learning curve is very steep. But it's very short. Yeah. I completely agree. So I written a number of Jekyll sites. And I remember when I'm writing those Jekyll sites. I am on the docks a lot like a have Jekyll docs, open to know, how to get this data from the certain thing that does the thing that I need, but I feel like that flips a lot using Gatsby where I'm on my own site. I'm just looking at that graph y'all server navigating the navigating the data in my app by clicking the documentation is generated by this app that I'm making which is a totally different shift. And it's awesome. Yeah. I I feel like that was one of the bigger changes. I've seen in a team. I we we rolled out Graf Q L at IBM. That was like my one big accomplishment was pushing graph Q L into IBM cloud. And we we saw front end teams every single team was like now, we don't want to change. And then we convinced them to try it and they'd get about two weeks into the project, and then they would be so excited about it. That other teams started coming to us and saying, hey, we heard that you're doing this thing. It sounds awesome. Can we get in on this? So it was like, it's the I've said it before like graph. You'll is one of the more exciting developments in tech that I've seen in a long time. Because it's one of the first ones where I see developers opting in to change like developers who don't want change. It removes so many pain points of trying to manage all these disparate rest API's and trying to understand, you know, are these docs up today. Do I have all the things that I need? What do I need to do? Instead, you just open a browser tab and just click. Round. And all of a sudden, all that date is acceptable. And you can just do stuff, then we're not even getting into the advanced capabilities like data mocking. And and you know, these these really really powerful things that allow you to do things like develop off line without having to mock your entire API. You just get like dummy data. So you can build things it's it's really incredible. So if someone has a rest API right now, and they want to build a gas p front end that takes advantage of that API. Do they have to build a graph? You'll server as like an intermediate or are there ways to use Gatsby with the existing API. Yes. So we have we have a pattern that we call source plug ins in so a source plug in will just make a call the rest API. And then you use one of our API calls in. We'll turn it into a graph jawohl API cool. So you don't you don't have to do it as a developer. You just have to tell us what you want changed. You can also depending on where you're loading your data. Like there's nothing that stops you from making those rest API calls in again. Be site. For example, if you look at our store, there's a on the account page, we request a discount code through a rest API. So that's an acing fairness call to arrest API, no graph Q L insight. And so there's there there options for sure there's no restrictions on what you can do with it. They're just there are ways that will make your life easier in the long run. So if you have data that's mostly static and should only change on rebuild. Probably take the time to build a source plug in because it's gonna make your performance at much better. Is there anything else that you want to say with regard to Gatsby we have a little bit time in a really wanted dive into you? And some of the your advice to developers in general as far as gas goes, I I love the about it. So if anybody wants to reach out to me on Twitter, I will I will talk about this with you until the cows come home, so just just reach out to me, and what's your Twitter will link it. But what's your Twitter since we're talking about it right now, you could look spell in it? It's j Lang store j Ling store, and you're telling me an interesting story before we started recording that you're like the only links store is online right now. Yes. Oh, my my family at some point in the past like misspelled their own last name. So. So I'm the only Jason link store in the world, which means that my SEO is like on point. I wanna talk a little bit about some talks that you've done recently right on the front of your site. There's a big image that says there's more to life than hustle in grind. I know that grinding is a very kind of valued a characteristic of of humans and developers right now. So why do you think that there's more to life? What does that statement mean for you? We took this idea of like hard work will get you anything you want, which is a very kind of American dream sort of way, you know, like all it takes a little lake grit and elbow grease, and you can get anything you want in this world. And I do agree with that. And I do agree that people need to put the work in. I think where this somehow flipped over though is we've lost sight of the fact that lake working hard is only effective if you are like fresh and capable of. Doing good work in. So we had at some point. We lost sight of that. And the value became work until you're dead. You know, like Greg grind yourself to paste as opposed to you know, work hard. And then recharge. So from my perspective, you know, I felt really deep into this back in the early twenty tens where I was working seventy ninety hour weeks and just really burned myself to the ground as far as as effort level went. And she's never off. I was always connected. Always checking my Email always trying to knock one last thing out in ultimately like I got myself so stressed out in so wrapped up in my work that might my beard started falling out of my head. Like, I. I never got an official diagnosis for this. So this is very like web MD diagnosis. But what I did is I gave myself stress induced alopicia and for a few years like two or three years. I couldn't grow a beard. I could I the whole bottom of my chin was just like baby smooth and bald and would not grow any whiskers whatsoever. And for those just listening, you have you have a glorious full gear. Now the joke is like so I look so bad without a beard. Like, I look I look like a like a puffy baby that had a really long night and was not taking care of himself. And so my option was to look like that lake chubby baby or to grow a mustache. And like I am so appalled, by the way. I look clean shaven that. I wore a moustache for three years to. To try to to try to avoid being clean shaven. But so anyway, so he'll be baby dressed up as a cop. How? Yeah. Exactly. Right. So yeah, it was like like baby PI. But but so then what ended up happening was like at some point. I just hit the wall. And it was it was burnt out to a level that I've never experienced before. Where I it was it was like nihilism like full nihilism wake nothing matters this careers meaningless like I am clearly just making myself miserable. And I'm going to die. So screw it. I don't care. And so I just like these really really strict rules where I was like, you know, what from six PM to eight AM nothing is going to be. I deleted Email off my phone. I turned on these like apt trackers that would basically disable things after certain times. And it was really really aggressive about just not being might work. I was like, you know, what my job is just a job. And I thought about it lake I used to fantasize in the worst of this about quitting tech to go work somewhere like as a bar back or lake in a store where when you clocked out for the day. Like was it? You just went home. Nobody's gonna haul you to be like. As the convenience store. Okay. Like, I dunno. It's close, man. I don't you don't pay me enough to care about what the convenience store is doing when I'm not here. Right. And so I figured instead of trying to change industries and finding because every industry has Stevens. Right. So I was like instead I'm just going to treat this job as if it were a like a job at a convenience store a job at a bar like when I leave I'm done. You can't reach me. In a healthy. Again. My my mental health went back up. My beard grew back like, I just I just felt immensely better. And what I expected to happen was my business would fall apart. And what actually ended up happening was like it got better because I wasn't exhausted all the time because I wasn't sleeping three hours a night. And like, you know, the there's some science that says, basically, if you if you only sleep six hours or less night, you you get so exhausted cumulative exhaustion to where your air rate goes up, and you spend more time fixing errors that you wouldn't have created in the first place. Then like, it makes you negatively productive versus just working a standard schedule and getting enough sleep into the, you know, there's all these things that I didn't know that I found out after the fact that basically mean like just work your forty hours. They did a lot of research to figure out that forty hours is like the human max. Yeah. Get your eight hours of sleep. You know, like take care of yourself because that is how you grind like if you wanna get a lot done be healthy like being be actually healthy, take walks. Be disconnected from your phone have weakens off lake be a person outside of work, and it's gonna make you a better lateral thinker. It's gonna make you a better worker in general. You're going to have more energy to do the work when you're doing it. You'll make fewer errors like all of these things that don't seem obvious when you're in the thick of it. You're like, well, no, I need to do two hours because I got to get this thing done, you know, disconnecting the worst possible thing, right? Like, I can't walk away from this now, but every single time that I've done it. I I'm like, I gotta finish this. Well, hold on been working like eight and a half hours. Stop so stop and go to bed. I come in the next day. And I solved that problem in like ten minutes because I was over tired, my brain wasn't working anymore. That is one thing that I really enjoyed listening to some of your talks was I I had never heard that that forty hour workweek was as a result. Zolt of a study to basically maximize human effort. How do we minimize errors maximize effort like what's the amount of time that people can work before we start paying for it? More with errors than in ours. That we gain. Yeah. In that study was made during the industrial revolution. Right. That was Henry Ford on the assembly line who came up with forty hour work week. So the likelihood that it's perfectly accurate for for knowledge workers is low. But I would make an argument that it's probably it's probably airing on the side of two long rather than to short. I don't know about you. But like if I sit down, and I put in six solid hours of effort, I'm done. And if I if I pan that out over week that means I have about a thirty hour workweek of high focus in difficult. I filled the rest of that time with meetings, Email Twitter, you know, stuff that is ostensibly productive. But typically if I didn't do that work the world would probably continue. But yeah, I don't know. Quite a sabbatical at my company for the month of September own man is glorious loved every second of it. But I do have that kind of natural drive. I think a lot of us do, and you know, so what happens is we we end our eight hour workdays like even if we're diligent about that. Then we go, and we do like open source where we like kind of have some other grind that we're working towards so I kept that up. But man, just having like four hour days where I have a slow Cup of coffee in the morning. And then I sit at my computer and do some open source or we're gonna talk for a handful hours and then move on with my day. It was just it was beautiful. Four hours is about my my sweet spot. I've been finding that's true for a lot of people. Like, I I have a friend of mine who works as a writer, and if he works longer than five hours he throws away everything after that anyways. Yeah. And so he just knows like he puts into solid hours in the morning. And then he takes a long lunch in like a walk in thinks about stuff gets a workout in. And then he comes in and puts three hours in the afternoon. And then he's just done. And he's as productive as anybody else. I know, and if you read back about a lot of the really creative people like I, of course, drawn blinks names. I think it was like like Beethoven, and and like these very these people who you would think were like workaholics they were zero hours they work like three four hours a day, you know, but the time that they worked they were like on point. They were when hundred percent focused in the flow pushing really really really hard to improve whatever it was they were doing and then the rest of their time. They spend learning. Getting inspired from other places being people in friends. And and I think you know, that that's something that gets highly undervalued in. So that you know that the times that I do the four hour workday. I feel awesome. And I also don't feel like my productivity suffers all that much D H, and Jason free just came out with a book called it doesn't have to be crazy at work and just start reading it. And you just reminded me through through the book, they have illustrations of these famous thinkers, and they talk about their schedule. No like, oh, yeah. So and so worked four or five hours a day. Like max, then actually may have been where I saw that. Yeah. It was it was really amazing like really inspiring to to think not just about hard hours, but the quality here hours, and that's what I have really enjoyed about your talks. Yeah. There's a book called flow. That's extremely good for for kind of talking about that general concept. There's a. Just a huge body research around like the quality of things and just the the necessity of being not distracted at certain points. And so like not distracted at work, but also not distracted when you're bored. There's another a great book called Borden, brilliant that just talks about like, hey, when you are out with your friends, leave your phone in the car or you go on a walk like don't watch YouTube videos on your phone during the walk like just be bored. Let your mind wander because that's where the really valuable things happen. So for those looking to supercharge their productivity, I know that you have five recommendations what are those? Yeah. So I have there are few things like some of these might seem super obvious. But I find that a lot of times, even the the obvious ones need to be reiterated. So the first one is to track your time. So I installed apt called rescue time. And it just gives me a report at the end every week on where my time went. So for example last week. I got an Email told me that I spent ten hours playing a game on my phone over the previous which is a disgusting amount of time to be looking at a screen. So now, I know, hey, maybe either like chill on that. Or maybe just delete that game altogether. Because I'm spending too much time on it. The next thing is to time box tasks, so if if you're gonna do something there's a lie having it's Parkinson's law is that work will expand to fill the time allotted to it. So if you have something that you need to get done, and you say I'm gonna get that done today. And you don't time box like you'll finish it at two AM because you just there was no urgency to get it done. However, if you say like go to a coffee shop without your charger and say, I'm going to finish this thing before I leave like I've never seen people be more productive when they got ten percent of their battery laughter. Hello true. So true. And so yeah. So what I like to do is use a timer. And I say, okay, I'm gonna give myself like ninety minutes to get this block of work done. And I've for me, I found that ninety minutes is the right? The right rhythm. Other people use the Pomodoro technique, which I think is like twenty five minute bursts. My partner uses sixty minutes, a friend of mine uses forty five because he's got like ADHD until he can't sit still for that long. But you know, he's very productive for forty five minutes. And then he needs to go do a lap. And then he can come back and do forty five more. So for me, I usually do three to four ninety minute blocks day and after each ninety minute block all stand up a Cup of coffee. You know, maybe walk around the block do just do something to get my mind off of the work, then come down start the timer again and do it again. And whenever I stick to that schedule. I'm significantly more productive. So this specific amount of time doesn't matter as much as just sticking to the schedule it. Yeah. Because like, so if you're going to work on something, and you say. Need to work on this thing. And that's it. Then you're working on the thing. But also Twitter's open also slack is open. And also, maybe you'll just look at your Email row quick and in so there's no urgency to get it done. But if you say, I'm going to spend the next block of time, then you kind of have a carrot and a stick thing like I need to get this done and my reward for getting it done is that I get to screw around on Twitter or I get to like go have this snack that I wanted. You know, you're no longer like bringing years next year desk, and then pretending to work while you like eat, you know, so and that's a that's a big problem for me. Specifically is if I if I'm not blocking time, I tend to say like, well, just kinda work on everything casually. But if I block time, then it works to quench, which is you know, is gonna come into play here on the one of the later things. So then the third point is to frontload all of your important stuff. And what I mean by that is like willpower has been shown to be kinda depleting resource as you work throughout the day. Way your ability to say, no to the easy way out get significantly lower. You know in the beginning in the morning when I wake up you have a lot of mental energy to dedicate to like a big bad task. Right. So high school coach of mine used to say eat, the biggest frog I like if you got to eat a plate of frogs eat, the biggest frog I get it out of the way. And that's kind of the way that I've always looked at it. If you've got some like one major task for the day, do that first thing don't have meetings. Don't check Email. Don't get on Twitter. Just sit down at your desk. Do that task or put at least like one solid block of work toward that task before you do all the things that distract you before you have your meetings in your your Email? The these micro decisions that just take a little bit of your willpower little bit of your mental energy 'cause it four PM. Like the last thing you're gonna wanna do at four PM is sit down and do a high effort task right? And I find that like, you know, how a lot of people end up being night owls in this job because they. They they spend their whole day bouncing between distractions and they wait for everybody to go home. So that they get quiet time to focus also have you ever noticed that like, that's when you get your second wind like if you're out you like go throughout your day, and you're fine. And then around like three to maybe seven you're kinda like sleepy drowsy, you wanna lay around, and then you get your second wind, and you're ready to go party, or whatever I think that it's kind of the same thing. So like, we get distracted. And then we hit the lull. And then like our second wind comes back, and there's nobody to distract us. So that's when we focused if we can shut those distractions out earlier in the day, we can ride our first wind to getting things done instead of having to work in the middle of the night. Interesting. Then I also tell everybody to prioritize aggressively. That's the fourth point. I a friend of mine, and I have a joke. We call this the Highlander technique because when you think about priorities there can only be one the word priority. Didn't even have a plural form until a management consultant in the eighties, invented it. So it, you know, when when you talk about having a priority. You can the really is only one thing that can be a priority. Because if you prioritize two things you no longer have a priority. Right. You had distractions. So we we take our stuff. This is my friend Nate green. And I we take everything and we put it into a tournament bracket. So your to do list, take your to do list and write it out and then draw tournament bracket under each of those things the first two things on the list and say of these two things which of these is more important, and you can whatever criteria you want. Which of these is is more likely to get me fired. If I don't finish it, or which of these is going to bring me the biggest payoff when I complete it. And then choose one and move it to the next bracket. Move to the next pair. The next and the next pair. And then do it all again until you're left with just one thing that has the highest reward or the highest urgency or the highest likelihood to get you in trouble. If it's not done, and then just do that thing. And then once that thing is done you can start again, or you can go to the thing that was like second in the bracket. Yeah. Right. But by doing that, you you get the you take the time to kind of meditate on what your work is and think through what is actually important, and why is it important, and then you get clarity. Because of that, you do the Highlander technique in you end up with one thing that is clearly a priority because you thought through it, and you know, there are other times when you just don't have anything that's that urgent at which point. You can prioritize by I would rather work on this on. But you know, you have to prioritize you should choose one thing. That's the thing you're gonna do which then brings us to our last our last point, which is don't multitask. When you work on multiple things. There's a context which in cost, and so this is a Gerald Feinberg. I think his name was I'm I'm getting that wrong job Weinberg. It's it's a software programming book. And I apologize for getting the name wrong. But it's basically what he's saying is whenever you're working on multiple things. There's a context which in costs in context witching is as programmers are really as knowledge workers in order to do work. We have to build up a mental context, we we're building up like all of the memories in background knowledge in the the organization of either files or or the history of the thing. We're working on whatever it is all that has to get some up into memory. And then we have to kind of like build these things so that we can visualize. Okay. Here's where we are in the project. Here's where we came from. Here's where we need to go. When you shift to another task that mental context gets torn down, and you have to move to the other one, and then build that context again when you look at context, which like that you've got a twenty percent loss of your time per task, which means that if you work on one task one hundred percent of your time goes to that task if you work on to forty percent of your time goes to each task. And twenty percent is lost to context. Witching three tasks forty percent of your time is lost to context. Witching for eighty percent of your time has lost switching like there's just it's it's if you get to the point where you're switching between like five things at once. You may as well. Just go home you're not getting any work done in. So it's. And we've all seen this, right? Like, we go to work. And then we get shoulder tapped all day or were like bouncing between emails. Notifications are coming in. And we go home, and we go. I did literally nothing today. Yeah. Like, I I don't know. Why are we even went to work because I accomplish nothing. And it's because the next day and you're like, I'm like for stand up. You're like well doing the thing. I said I was going to do yesterday because I didn't do it. Yeah. Exactly. Right. And so so if we if we use the Highlander technique, and we agreed with ourselves to not multitask than what we can do is instead of trying to multitask, where you've got context which in costs, I work on one thing. And then I take my break. That's my context, which right, then I can come back, and I can work on a second task like it's not like it's not like you have to finish that project because some projects are multi week projects. But what you shouldn't do is work on that product for five minutes and then try to work on the other project for five minutes and then go back and work for five minutes. Like, you'll never get anything done that way. So set aside serious blocks of time and try to break tasks down into something that you can accomplish in like an hour. So if you're building a multi week project, can you build this template or this component in the next ninety minutes. And then you then you're free to switch to the next task. And you can work on another project or you can't get down into smaller tests that you can like can I test this thing in like ninety minute executive small things. Yeah. Yeah. I have another like little framework that I use. I call the atom technique, which is to break down tasks into really really small pieces into their component atoms. Right high very clever, but it's a it's an acronym. It stands for every single task needs to be actionable timely own -able and measurable insititue. What that means is it when you break down any task you end up with something. That's like I can do this in. One block of time. It's an actual thing that needs to be done and there's a true false criteria for whether or not it's complete and it's got a single owner in when you've got at tasks like that it's really easy to slot. Those into first your prioritization. So you can you can very easily say this is the most important thing because it's blocking somebody else or whatever. And then you can also slot. It into a time slot and say, all right. I'm gonna do this in the next ninety minutes. And it's you know, it's easy to multitask. When you can see the end of what you're working on or it's easy to single task should say, I just finished a book. I think it's called the one thing I feel like you'd really enjoy it. But he he has a focusing question that he has a can't remember, exactly. But it's something to the extent of what's the one task that by doing makes everything else easier or irrelevant? That's end. Yeah. And it just really blew my mind. But he kind of goes into a lot of these things that you're talking about to the idea that multitasking. Thing is an illusion that we invented for computers. Right. Like, it's a marketing term than it was wasn't until later that we tried to apply that to humans like, hey, you need to be able to multitask to do this John it, but but even in computers, the computer isn't multitasking, it's just switching really fast. Like it has the constructs necessary to switch really fast. Without you noticing will in in even with computers like there's a there's a concept called memory thrashing where the computers are switching so quickly that they get nothing done in. So when you're when you're out God, I hope that I didn't just get that wrong. I'm gonna get like computer science Kate mouth. This is technical show. But yeah, I mean, it's like, I it's it's interesting because even with something like a computer chip, there is a context, which in cost is just very very very small comparatively. Yeah. For humans. But you know, it's like, I I love it as a concept though, because you're absolutely right in that sounds like a book that I definitely wanna read awesome. Hey, well, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you told us a little bit more about Gatsby. I really hope that this inspires people to get involved or even just be less afraid of the technology. And also just how to how to work better. I think that that's something that we all struggle with. And I hope that kind of what you've said can help people before they're they're beard starts falling out. Yeah. I I really hope that your beard does not have to fall out for you. To learn the lessons. Awesome. Well, thank you. Jason. I I hope that we have you on again. This is this is a lot. Yeah. I I appreciate you having me on this. 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390: Eleventy with Zach Leatherman

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390: Eleventy with Zach Leatherman

"Ooh Shiva maniacs. You're listening to another episode Eh. The Shop Talk Show holiday editions. I'm dave nine t rupert him with me as Chris. Ten T- quere. Hey Chris Hey thanks for giving me ten. T- you know like my intern. Seventy and eighty year here too. Yeah Yeah we love them. They're big contributors anyway anyway. Hey We got this today. We have a good friend Zach Leatherman on the show today. Hazak how you doing good. How are you guys fantastic? Mystic fantastic so zach is known for all kinds of stuff that will get into we of course making eleven jokes. Zack has been than beaten the eleven train for for a while here. That is your It is a big open source project that you run. Zach IT IS A. Would you call it a static. Site generator is that the the moniker deserves herbs. I would yeah I know some other competitors might shy away from that but I'm comfortable calling in a static generator for sure. Yeah I wonder why they even why why they do it but I mean I guess it makes so much sense for eleven. It's really doesn't Tried to do much other than that right like take some templates and it processes them and that's it. Yep It's classic static site generator. I mean the competition would argue that. Their tooling is more deserving of the modern moniker But I would say that eleven has definitely some modern aspects to it in that works with modern javascript like some es six seven features. So yeah so let's so like I mean if you're Dave Rupert and you have a folder full of markdown on files and a template for those blog posts and maybe a template for the homepage. Some stuff like that It would be a perfect fit for that kind of thing you know not not peer pressuring you over there. Dave just saying you know. It's a good fit. Well I guess full disclaimer. I am a open. Click Backer for eleven. So I am an investor Monta month. Five hundred dollars a month here. But that's where I'm at I this is Zag. I don't mean to sell you Pichai. But as an investor I do feel like I have some input. My Favorite Feature Chair of eleven is you don't even have to install it like the X.. Any really oh that's cool. That's a static site generator. You don't even have to install and that's just that's not Kupa all the work that the Jekyll folks have done but I it's very much like like coming from that world installing like ninety percent of the battle that like this is just like it just. We're like well I'm not GonNa say it just works but like there's there's confusing things you pretty close though So but if anybody out there is familiar with Jekyll I bet a lot of people. Are you have to install it right and there's a bunch of Ruby stuff going on to get. That is four days of Ruby and then it's pretty opinionated about what year what templates you run in and so okay you know what if you could change all that. What if instead of Ruby ran in node like literally everything else you do probably ably and it was way less opinion about what languages you're trying to run and stuff and probably has a bunch more modern features that I'm not even aware of that's eleven thirty so so how's Pitch Doings Act? You WanNa try one of your own so that our listeners. Understand seventy a little better now. I mean that was pretty good. I mean the the big features to eleven is that it. It doesn't really try and tie your content into a proprietary content temp lighting system. So you can use just Rodgau script. You can use liquid templates which is what. JEKYLL uses. Handlebar Moustache Jokes And you can wrap them all and marked on if you want so it just lets you let your content live in template simpler languages that are independent of eleven as much as possible and I would say the other big feature is Performance we really try and make it as fast as possible. I Dave mentioned that you don't need to necessarily install it to run it but it's quite a bit faster if you if you want something. That's more on par with some one of our competitors build times. Then maybe you can install it every time you want to run it but I think you really want you really want that local install so after every that's not much survey that's not much of an ask anyway right like just install it big deal cool so there's all kinds of things that you can build with if it you know static site generation. It's it's bread and butter in a way I use it debuts it for stuff pretty darn cool congrats. It's a great project and it really seems to be gaining a lot of steam team. You know people I mean you know thinks in no small part probably to the rise of the jam stack where people are you know looking for excuses almost to to make their sites into static things. Because there's just so much clear advantages there you know we've gone through this a million times but the speed of it all and the security of it all and the kind of longevity and resilience of it all Is is all part of the gems DOC staff and you know so there's just more and more people just you know. Maybe I'll just the slap this thing on get hub pages you know if especially if I can prebuilt a bunch of pages ahead of time or maybe I'll use Netla file like the rest of the world and Eleven thirty fits into that world just so like a glove. You know. We've been kind of riding a couple of different waves there. The nullify one in gem stack is definitely one of them. I think another one is just the rise of javascript in node generally speaking People kind of want. They like Jekyll but they don't necessarily want to Ruby so we've got a lot of people switch in there too. I would say to In addition to that like you know for me the advantage of eleven. And I'm like a Jekyll die hard but like the advantage of eleven d is it's all like it's one build process or more or less like it's a build process in itself I guess but it is. You know I have a package that Jason that matches manages everything a gem file. I don't have a special ruby thing. Yeah I know you know it's just node in I can you know I'm probably GonNa do some static asset compilation of some kind but some node based tool GRUNTER Goldberg lead packer even MPM scripts or something like that You know so I just it fits in that ecosystem. You don't have to install another big thing you know it just fits Yeah I would say that I don't know some arguments against eleven. have been that. It's it's a very similar to like a gopro grunt Maybe some a common just in my mind I would consider it sharing a lot of sort of real estate with goping Brunton in that a processes files and outputs Process files from that. But you do get a lot more power when you have sort of of integrated the template with the tooling in this way You can do a lot more because you can basically inject content right into your templates templates. which is I think very powerful and I'm exploring some more some more Tighter integrations with see I see so that these people are like why do I need eleven. TV when I can just write a Gulf process that just runs nunchucks anyway right. Yeah but that's short sighted perhaps I saw another wave that I wonder if I wonder. If you're not writing or could be your are and I don't know about it. Or what is this kind of idea that Sh- maybe I don't have all my content in my repower locally or whatever I wanna hit somewhere to get it like I wanNA use content fuller sanity or whatever like cloud. Cms or even just you know just a graphic you'll and point or something to cough up the state because I you know that makes sense for my workflow but I still WANNA pre build. Yeah yeah possible absolutely doing it. Yeah that's we've seen a lot of Sort of like a giant rise of CMS solutions. That are coming out right now. A lot of competition in this space An eleven works great with all of these. Because we just do Rodgau script data files you. You can sort of anything you can fetch in javascript. You can fetch with seventy So yeah you can basically integrate with any data source that you want You just sort of have to manage inch that code in a javascript data file on you can write any arbitrary. Javascript offend any data from any data. File I sort of built something recently with a uh there's a site documentation search And one of the integrations that I wanNA work on in the future is pulling in all of our get hub issues onto that as well so it can have a single point of search for both our docks in our issues in one place like a Krahn that kind of thing like goes and gets is that data and then has it locally in which to search but that's GONNA change because they'll be new issues that open an old ones that close and stuff like that so it would yep and the docs basically build every morning. They're hosted on nightline. We just have like a little a little task that runs and updates the docs every morning so we can very easily integrate that in and I. I think that's really one of the very cool things about jam stack is that you can sort of have these dynamic data sources appear or you can have static representations of of your dynamic data sources and it's all dynamic depending on how how often you run your build. I think that's a super powerful thing that's one of the most exciting things of all because it forces you to look at like a page for lack of a better word and be like okay. How static is most of this is it? Is it like really static. Or is it like daily kind of static or weekly kind of static or like not static at all. This needs to come from a live source right away in a kind of doesn't matter what the answer is it doesn't it doesn't none of them mean. Don't use gem stack you know is you can be like well. I'M GONNA prebuilt this shell but then I'm Gonna I'm GonNa like you do run a weekly or a daily or hourly great. You know or or you know I'm going to do that. But then this little little part in the header or whatever is super dynamic well then fine then fetch it in the client. You know like you can still use Java script. You know gem stack doesn't mean I'm not javascript. And as a matter of fact it means heavily used javascript in a weird way. Hopefully as much on the bill does you can but even if even if not just so what. Yeah yeah it. Lean as much on your billed as you can For everything else he's client signed. This episode is brought to you by give will imagine that you want to help children. You found trustworthy organizations but they run different programs. One can save a child's life for every three hundred thousand dollars. There's donated while the other can save a child's life for every three thousand dollars donated. If you could tell the difference you donate to the one. That was one hundred times better at saving children's lives but in reality it's often hard to know what charities will actually be able to accomplish with your donation give well spends twenty thousand dollars each year researching charities they review you act studies charity budgets and visit charities on the ground figure out which ones are the best at saving or improving lives. All of the research is public and free on their website. Go to give well dot org slash shop talk to find out more or make a donation first time donors will have their donation matched up to one thousand dollars if they donate through. Give well dot dot org slash shop. Talk thanks to give well for sponsoring this episode. Uh so this is this is all fun stuff talk about. Let's keep talking about it but one of the reasons that you know the had the idea for the show to have you honest that ages go. I don't know what the year is but I just came across this. You've been even thinking about kind of the good ways to build websites and ways to like. I don't know think doc good about the things that we built for users manifested itself in a manifesto call the front end. Engineers manifesto the festival and it was just last month or something I saw this and I'm like well. This is interesting clearly that put it together a bunch of years ago so maybe you could tell us the origins of the thing but I thought after after you do that. Let's go through it and see all these years later Zack's front end. Engineers Manifesto held up over time. Where did this thing? Come from DC. Talk around Anderson. Yeah it was maybe my first conference talk Ever and it was sort of a local conference Brinson was just put on in my area And I remember just putting this thing together not just for you to speak at a conference just a local conference and it was my first whenever whenever and I remember like being so incredibly nervous and like sweating profusely as I'm preparing my notes for this presentation. It's a little bit different than maybe now a days because I've done a few more talk since then but yeah. This thing was was my very first conference. Talk in two thousand eleven So thousand eleven. Okay yeah eight or nine years ago and you bought a url for it a nice a nice for character dot com to em dot com. You can tell it so long because it's not even https and in a move it over to nullify. Yeah Yeah it's like you don't even have a choice anywhere these days this is automatically. So what do you think Dave you ready to go through this. We should maybe start at the end. The last tenant is I will strive to create secure application. Anyway I knew we. We're going to go over this and I made it a point not update this code just so you guys kid like rip through it a joy. Oh there's lots of fun stuff. There's there's there's some kind of thing that runs on on words. That Zach is trying to emphasize so it's like a sentence and then so here he lets just do the first ones. In all set the scene seen here I guess the first manifesto thing it says most importantly and above all I will put the needs of the user. I over my own needs as as a developer and I said user I in you know real life ball because if you can picture this the the rest of the sentences all small refund but user I is it a big all caps. You know. Condensed gothic being in the font size is as in my browser when I was ten point. Three eight M so I think in Zakho like perfectly calculated the value. That would like make sure the the left and right size of things or maybe there's a little javascript calculate sitter that are so. Yeah this is this is one of my first Jacor. Republicans called big texts. And I know David. I have competed in that that responsive text plug in world old. Dave calls it his his. What is it jake revealing? Something or cracks creeks. Forgive a piece of your soul and then you have to work on it for the rest of your life. It's great sort of like a way to auto size text because if you recenter browser will reset the text to the wonderful really good. It's really about like getting the exact like left and right like sizes Israeli like fill up the available space of the font size. That's sort of big text. Yeah and then fit. texting was just like whatever scale like like it almost like vector texts or something like this. Just be a ratio re size. So yeah that was the difference. I mean it's so funny like I have so many bugs on fit Texans just like this doesn't fill up the whole size of container and I was like. Oh you actually one big tax. I'll know you've been shoveling people my way you know I mean I think people at some point when they're getting into open source or jake where plug INS or whatever. They didn't understand Dan what it was actually supposed to do or or read the dock. Settle so yes as just like Oh actually what you want. And then there's another one called Slab text which is pretty coma. Gosh what was the mood. Tools one we've been. We almost have a decrease segment every week. I was I was. I was enamored by your ability deter. Remember that J. Query BBQ which was just incredible plug in the very earliest possible days of of Ajax history. Yeah Okay Anyway really derailed ourselves here before. Even this manifesto which I'll read again in a moment is a beautiful google plus sharing button like everybody eight to notice there too. It's just setting the time period that not exist anymore. No No Okay one one more time. Most importantly in above all I will put the needs of the user. I over my own needs as a developer I think that I think I would. I would vote that that it holds up pretty well. Where did that come from Zak? Yeah I think. The the classic argument that Developer experience and user. Experience are at odds has been even happening for. I don't know since the beginning of time I would guess I'm and we've always had these two opposing viewpoints That don't necessarily early need to be all that opposing when it comes to solutions So a lot of times people will try and sort of advertise good developer experience And classically some of the solutions have deep prioritized user experience in the the sort of the original one that I'm thinking of is client side rendering ring versus progressive enhancement That one's still going on today. Just kind of funny. Is that like at a good example example of a cut of prioritizing developer. Need over at username. I mean. That's the argument that has been made. I don't really buy that argument. I guess is that you need to choose one of the other And that's maybe one of the origins of the seventy tool as well as you can have good user experience agreeance without our good developer experience in good user experience at the same time as long as you're prioritizing the correct things but yeah. I think a lot of people have tried to sell tooling. That is that is I guess. Less tied to a to a back end and more tied to the Front End And a lot that comes with more client side rendering in slower user experience. You know the one that I always think of is like a is those like data manipulation population tools. Because they're so classically heavy like moment. Jay asked whatever. That's the one that everybody poops on. So let's just use the one. That's that's in reality. It's like just a developer to like no users like I really wanNA download thirty K.. So that this date stamp says two hours ago instead of you know March Thirteenth Nineteen Twenty nineteen is kind of a hefty library for that. Yeah so like what's the alternative. I don't know do something on the server and send it over in the right format anyway. But then you're like well what about time zones in beverly. This is like it's I'm not trying to say one like take aside over the other. It's just that this is as a as a classic butting heads right so if if you if you're following this manifesto or thinking in that way like I don't know I'm not trying to. It's it's not a zero sum game right. We're not trying to say you can't you can only have one or the other like you're saying you think of eleven disk is as having both and awesome but like if they do come to hit each other in some way then choose the user right. Yes always choose the thing that makes the user's life better And that's why I like working with designers as closely as possible because they're they're working their mindset is is more focused on The people actually actually using the code that we write And so yeah. Tighter integrations with designers can really help in that sense too. Because it can get your mind in the right spot. You'd say the most staunch person against this would say that no always developer needs first because if we if we just have this amazing developer per experience that that will automatically whatever trickle down economics to the website because because our developers are so oh productive and doing such a good job. It's not that they don't care about the users they're just carrying about their own life first so that their work can percolate to the masses. You know would you say that entirely bunk now. I think that there is something to happy. Developers writing good code and being productive. I don't I don't think there's necessarily surly as much overlap with affect on end users as Has Been Sold in that argument I I think there are. There are benefits there. But I don't think they really affect the end user as much as people have said okay so daring put this in the holds up pretty well. Eight years later category. You're not a yeah. I mean I think I still you know agree with this. I I guess my question might be just a bit of a twist you know now people are like Oh. The user needs that position sticky thing and I e eleven. So we're GONNA chuck like you know forty eight kilobytes Ajami script. I had to get it like is that like does that fall into here to like. That's the user how you know how people can kind of. Oh the the user needs it or or the classic as a user I want PD integrated marketing and bitcoin mining on my machine. You know like these these kind of bunk user tests. You know With what's your thought there is that how do you keep. It centered on the user. I think that's a good question. I don't know that there is a good answer to that. I think every project probably has its own priorities and its budget Generally when I work on stuff as a side project Dr non-professional stuff. I will certainly like prioritize more modern use cases so he wanted to do as much tooling And but but again when you when I'm working on stuff for side projects a lot of the users the reason applications or using more modern web browsers But when you need to serve things to a wider audience and you want that first class experience to maybe some older browsers than you really need to sort of rewind your your development practices to serve the users that are using your website and not the other way around so like a lot of Sights will serve US analytics driven urban development. which is We we develop our code based on what our analytics says are. The browsers are being used by the end users that are using using the site And a lot of times that will be a sort of self fulfilling prophecy because your users are going to use the browsers that are working with the code that you've written not necessarily the other way around if that makes sense. Yeah if it doesn't work on fire Fox one hundred percent of your users our I guess our doing having a great time right. You know people just bail on your site if it doesn't work in that whatever there's like a middle ground in there where you could look at analytics that are only first time visit regardless of bounce Sir anything you know. Look at that I because they'll come and if it sucks the leave and that's good to know at least it would be like a more. It'll be like less skewed picture of that. The Ray with the analytics is that you have. Have you know. Fire Fox blocks stuff. So it's going to probably block Google right with which you made to using to make a frigging big business decision. You known I mean like You'd have to see way headers on the server side. It would be a more complicated endeavour the larger point to be made here as sort of tied into this. This manifesto generally speaking in. That's That you need to have principles guide your development not not sort of the development guide. The principles does this shock. Brought to you in part by commerce commerce. I is e commerce for your wordpress site and so it's a plug in so if you have a self hosted wordpress site like shop talk show is or CSS tricks. Is The blog codependence opinions or whatever you can install commerce there and then you have a full featured store ready to go and it's kind of built for people who build websites I think is a way to think of it. It's pretty easy to get started with. Find it tremendously easy. 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Still serve a core tenant of yours. I did notice in your search on on the eleven docs intellectually fall back to a duck duck. Go appears spears are still committed to the cause But like I guess you know I do. Do you see your opinion changing. I know a lot of people are disconnected. Yeah what I'm just going to use. Whatever next I'm just I'm progress for you instead of like thinking about it from scratch and seems like a lot of people went full client side in the La- since since he wrote this in two thousand twelve overture? I mean a lot of people are going full clients. I had back in twenty twelve to. It's not like it's not like things have necessarily changed since then the the same arguments are happening And the same arguments are being driven by the tooling default cases that are presented by the tooling. So Yeah I definitely somber progressive enhancement. I think it's the best tool to provide you the broadest audience Especially when it comes to you making things work with search engines. I think it's very important to have a nice baseline of content available to those I know Google will run javascript But it's often on a delay so it will run like a second pass and two weeks after the this sort of. HTML spider spider goes through and gets a version of your content. A lot of competing. Search engines won't run Java script so That's a big one. I think performance is another other big one if you can get. There's really nothing that beats html when it comes to performance so serving html L. is is one of the best way to get the best ways to get a high performing site. And that's I think part of the part of what I would like to see. The Gym Stack represent as well. There's that hint in the jam stack culture of like performances. Pretty top of mind for a lot of folks I I feel like yeah absolutely and you. We're all GEMSTAR conference in San Francisco a few weeks ago and I feel like that was mentioned in the keynote has being a big thing. I'm trying to develop these sites for the next million or billion users or whatever Yeah getting those broader audiences dances. I think is very important I guess like if you're going to whatever build a to do APP like today would you try to start. Would you type perform element like post to some HP script. Is that where you would start or would you. Would you probably reach you know I. I guess guess I'm trying to find your limits here like I think if I were to build a to do APP on the Jam Stack which I think is a nice progressive aggressive enhancement friendly stack if you're using those tools I think a nice middle ground would be to have just an html Komo representation of your server side to do list Maybe just text list of the things you need to do. And then you sort of progressively enhanced to Things that allow you to modify those to do list so like add additional entries. Check things off You can really do progressive enhancement on feature my Fiji basis that I it brings up the larger question of like that application hollow types discussion which is like. It's it's it's interesting to talk about this stuff Super Bradley. There's some value there and then there's value in scoping it down to and talking to well. This is the kind of site I'm talking about. So what does that mean to you. Know I think that to do thing is actually pretty fascinating. It got me just thinking just now like you know an important distinction here or is that so when we talk jam stack the one ingredient that we kind of don't have we have two ingredients that we do have which is pre rendered stuff off and client render. Grab stuff like we can use those pretty well but we don't really have like a web server to return. HTML that that it did server side stuff that well. I I mean I could be a little wrong about that. There probably is some component to do that. But it's not at that point you're like what even is Jim Stack if there's servers serving air html anyway you know. But I would think that maybe an approach to do list is that the to do list itself. You've mentioned you don't pre render because say you have ten thousand users of your to do APP pre rendering all ten thousand users to do list every retain many of them makes a change to there too. It's a little too volatile right. That's what stuff like. PHP's four you know. There's no reason a server can't spit out the active to do list of it such that it still html when it comes down it's still that fast progressive enhancement. Totally friendly thing. Yeah absolutely Jim I'm stuck is is is very great. But doesn't you know A to do list on gem stack. You're not using client side rendering and it's a little weird you know then just use server aside rendering in something like next. Jay totally does that next is like is a It you know you can do all the fancy client side stuff and do pre rendering Tuba but next will run on a node server you know. And so if you want a Java scrip- power thing they can like send down. HTML of your to do list. That's ready to go. Oh next is okay choice. Yeah absolutely an another another interesting point. There's when I was working in the eleven dogs I was thinking about. Maybe haven't like like premium tutorials or premium stuff tied to the authentication. It's hard to sort of do that. provide tailored content or sort of locked down content nine a static world. So yeah. That's a very good point. I would think the answer to those the logged in kind of system is it's like well. Okay there's logging client side logging off stuff. Jason Webb Tokens Yada Yada. And then there's cloud functions and cloud functions can accept your j w t to To deliver certain stuff you'd be like well don't pre render it then but ask a cloud vowed function for the authenticated stuff so that you're only serving up to people with a kind of a valid token you're talking client side rendering there. Yup that's the big drawback is that there's no mechanism to do her recite render with a function without. At least not that I know of but that would be a good offering. I think for develop gem stack now with server side rendering hilarious. That would be weird. Okay well this is. This is fun we've still you know. Okay free We did the progressive enhancement. One let's perhaps move to to another one here Big Bold letters right up front. Simplicity is respect. I will not tax my users brains with complicated designs and user interfaces I'll strive drive to make interactions succinct and minimize mental overhead kind of a U. X.. One here yeah. I always sort of been a developer developer that wishes I was a better designer And I think again working with designers I think is very important because because they're really focused on user. Experience involve experience and this one. I don't know this one's a little bit hand wavy for me now but no. Yeah I don't know now. I've always liked the like clarity over. Simplicity kind of thing sometimes sometimes. Simplify simplify simplify. Begs you to like you know. Delete words and delete lines and now it's kind of like less less less than it's not necessarily less is what you're shooting for. Its clarity if if you got to say something if you need more words to make it more clear than Soviet maybe I just we'll keep it simple here not saying initial words for this point. It's very respect. Let's go to the next one. I will educate my friends and family that Web web browser choice Matto Very Hill. Very Thomas Chrome now. So how do you do this. I assume back in the day you were this was a i. E versus five. We've done the family. Member one literally bent like. Hey family member. Did you know that there's other browsers out there. And maybe you should consider using them. I don't know if I ever have I possibly win it when it's when they Family members were having pop problems. You know sure I get to May pop up. You know whether you know it used to be you. Could a website could install its own search bar into Internet explorer like so you get a little browser ribbon or like almost like a bookmark bar and then they would complain that nothing thing works and they get all these pop up so I just used fire Fox but what what do you how do you feel on this Zach it. I don't know I feel like this was more relevant. Maybe than now than it was back then but in a different way Yeah I think I think originally this was probably oh intended as like a Iverson's chrome versus fire Fox thing But I think web browser choice is very important. I the thing that really stick out to me On this one was the subtext underneath an office real quick and says what browser should at minimum properly implement web standards and should be responsible for advancing the web where browser choice should be separate from picking an operating system. This is especially important for mobile devices in those last. Two sentences are very like extremely topical now because on IOS rendering engine. Still long down. After all these years it was back then and still is now. It's just becoming more in the. I feel like mostly because Alex Russell is like renew Woodley mad about it that it it It's it's you know become more of a topic like it really. It's been this long and we still only have one rendering engine and it's kind of funny it's like not even one we get like we get like ninety percent of one because like you get a you know you get the publicly available one on Ios so even fire Fox has a browser Sir on irs. And I think Microsoft has add John. IOS And it looks like you're getting those browsers away but you're not you're getting Safari we're in right and I don't. I don't even know that I necessarily agree with Alex's critiques here because it's almost as if if so consider if if apple decided to adopt chromium or blink on If they if they allowed other their browsers to sort of implement their own rendering engines then web kit would pro would be almost non-existent 'cause if you look at Safari usage on desktop Compared to chrome it's it's not quite as high and so the same thing would happen on IOS and so apples or of maintaining this level of control almost protects browser diversity. In a in a way I haven't heard this perspective before but I like it. I think you're right right in that. If if they didn't then Web Kenwood would sort of be much more minimized in terms of how much power they have on the web. Very interesting way to hold onto diversity. versity is just hold onto the platform on that diversity. Interesting I wonder when you wrote this did you. Were you kind of being kind of almost pushing people towards chrome and fire Air Fox in a like away from was kind of like a very very very subtle dig at I e I it's tough to kind of remember because in twenty the in twenty eleven chromos around right now still is probably huge is probably the dominant browser even then So I don't necessarily I think it was about getting people to switch. It was more about historically like educating people that choice's important and Just knowing what a web browser is I think is an extremely important thing for for the everyday user Because if you don't know what a web browser whereas than developers have so much. Our power is minimized because people don't understand that they have a choice they can choose is what they want. It's funny how some people have something in their life gives them a choice and then they just locks in forever like my mom. I'm just uses fire Fox and I have no idea why or when that became a thing but that's just a browser that she uses computers and she'll even like go download it on on new computers and stuff so that she has nothing but she doesn't know why I don't think it represents the Internet to her right. It's kind of the classic. It's like problem with windows and Internet. Explorer is the the Blue E. represented the Internet for like millions of people so Yeah became hard to get people to switch. I know that sometimes you always hear the story about Family members installing different web browser and than changing the icon to look like interim explore explore and people didn't know that it was changed because the web browser is kind of like a for a lot of people. It's just like a like a window. No other no other changes to that window. It does. The thing does my job to be done. I wonder. Do you have any predictions on the the next kind of major movement in the browser landscape. You have a gut instinct. And what's going to happen. I would love it if we had more diversity than we have now I feel like inevitably if some if a big change is going to happen. It's going to be fire. Foxes can adopt Chromium which would be sad. It's a heck of a prediction addiction. But I feel like it's the most clear right now I it doesn't it doesn't feel like that's in the water to me. I don't think it will happen but if something does happen that now probably be it. Yeah Weird Weird Weird okay. What's the next one day I I believe in the power of the open web? My content was accessible when full flash FLEX OR FLASH FLEX APPS were popular and I will continue to provide accessible device independent content in the face of APP store ubiquity this. I don't know this one's kind of interesting because it predates Progressive Web APPs. I think before that was even coined. I mean you're still anti APP store in this dichotomy Adamy and how does not suspiciously wrong way to put it. Yeah I wouldn't say I'm anti APP store. I would say that. I'm probably more just Pro Web ebb than I am anti store you. Do you feel like the open. Web has been preserved or do you think we're starting to lose it with you. Know I'm I'm thinking of things like electron and and you know I think every APP I use visual Studio Code Slack. Myself Teams They're they're even. My Mail are all like electron APPs under the hood notion you know so. Are we losing the open web before these like aac kind of native ish closet kind of good that there's still a web or you think it's Kinda like I think so but you know you can't tinker around again inspect inspect style sheets. Override with your own style she yeah. I don't think the web is anymore threatened by those than I don't than anything else. I mean historically. There's always been full native APPs in there will always be full native apps and things that are controlled by APP stores and those don't necessarily threaten the web if anything it's better for the web if those are built with web technologies because it improves the tooling around web tick as a whole And it's didn't you know sort of investing in the developer tools around those so I don't think those are those are threats to the open web I think that Flash Josh was definitely a threat to the open him Historically says flash FLEX. I barely even remember what flex was flex was I. It's so at the time when I wrote this I worked at a big giant. It company was an IT committee. But I worked for a major railroad. I had a big it department and so this predated me working film group and So yeah one of the big things that they wanted to do back then. was there where they're entertaining the thought of moving everything from mm sort of open web tech to like proprietary adobe flash FLEX APPS and they had all the vendors come in and do the sales pitches and it the whole thing. I'm really glad they didn't because flex like was retired a couple of years after that. It's kind of ridiculous so yeah I think that big companies have it's good for big companies invest in Web tech even if they want to do an on native APPs because it gives them a little bit more safety net when these proprietary tech when the proprietary tech comes and goes. That's a strength of the open web. Isn't it y'all all. Come and go and we're still here. Yeah my website has been broken for seven years at least. I don't have to rewrite it every three years when the platform updates yes need updated. Hd Net https TPS. Yeah well it's easier now. Holy Cow Compared to twenty twelve there. I wonder if this Jarvis stuff is saving us in a way that there's so many developers offers that are so into it the invent solutions based on it. So they're like I don't want to write a native applicant. I can and I just read it in Java script somehow or whatever and be like okay. Well we'll figure out some way to port to native and I guess you know so the you know any of the latest players in in the you know. Write it with web technology but get a native APP out of it are in a sense javascript. Powered you know. Flutter is that way and it's new all this ionic next stuff is that way it does not you know. I don't know if that's technically open web after that point. But it's nice that you know people still need to Google go flex box. And they'll they'll they still need me number one searchers But yeah a lot of you know. Start on the web and then get. I don't know why I like. The tack of the Web is stronger than almost the web itself. Yeah Absolutely I. Don't think that yeah a wider base. It's not A. It's not a fixed size of pie right. We can grow the pie in the native space in the Pie in the web. Space as well and we can help each other in both ways was this. Is this the closest one. That leads to I don't know some Indie web thinking. Yeah I think of you as somewhat associated with Indie web because you've kind of gone a little further with I Dunno own your content owner tweeds self published. Everything the Web mentions one of the people with web mentioned. So if anybody's anywhere you all right now. I think that if I wrote this today I would probably put something into here about like owning your content and having control over your space and owning your. Url's owning your domains and But Yeah I. I don't think there's necessarily a specific bullet in this one about that because this was really sort of before I don't want to say it's before like social media got really popular but before social media started like ruining everything warning your. Url's is nice that. I'm glad you mentioned that cause that that is interesting. Like you use web tack to build some other thing that doesn't have a U R L like. That's that's interesting and it's go web but yeah that's a different different. It's like a different kind of threat you know it's like not a we're not talking about a threat to the web. Were talking about the threat to you are else which is like a kind of a you know scoped scoped threat in a way which is under fire from all sorts of different angles. All the time in. There's just nothing more worth protecting protecting them that to me like I own own care if the underlying technology changes the URL. That's that's gotta stick around. You are definitely secret. They're certainly under attack. And I I think I had a section on that in my. GMC Talk as well. Jim Said Conference Talk How they're just sort of being minimized by mobile browser you ex? How are sort of trying to design them away to improve Sort of I don't know user education around what you are Eldar reduce fishing And another one is sort of like proprietary tech like amp or they like the technology analogy enforces. Like what sort of euro that. You're you're you're content can live on or maybe injects their own additions nations into the Euro To advertise the framework. I think is strange but yeah when you have a tighter coupling to aurelie think it's it's pretty dangerous. This next one says I acknowledged that performance is critical. My own developer hardware is not representative presentative of the real world and we must be mindful of limited hardware poorly see and low bandwidth situations. Gosh I don't think you could go to performance talk today. That doesn't doesn't cover these. I mean it's it's been a lot of years now to the point where you know. You're you're I dunno more skeptical. A person like I am a little bored of the performance. Talks that tell me about the existence of bad phones in the world not that. I think anybody should stop because I like. It's an important message. Read and then you know if you ever seen a performance talk. That isn't like the next million people have forty two dollar android phones. You know. It's the same message today as it was when you wrote this probably. Yeah it's very similar doesn't hasn't changed the the gap between the top and the bottom is probably growing does. Yeah I think you're right But yeah the the underlying point I think is is has held up for sure. Sure that's tough do you have you. I'm sure you are aware of these kind of like. Let's do like cap my bandwith Wednesdays and you you know black and white Thursdays and and stuff like that do you think that's kind of effective tool me. It's more about like Advertising to your team him and getting your team excited about working on performance And getting them experiencing the site with. I don't know terrible connection Shen terrible hardware. Whatever seems like our developer hardwares? Getting better and better and better and real-world hardwares and store of seeing staying the same I've not getting worse so I don't know man. I have a five hundred dollar. GPA you in this computer. Here's pretty sure phones can do You're running you're running those three D. transforms on your GPO right now. Oh yeah yeah every website. Some Three D.. Actually if you if you get big enough deep this is a little aside but almost notice how poorly computers perform on slow network even my desktop as top machine. Which I have one of these you know like my own developer hardware is not representative of the real world? Mine is not at the top of the line of macbook is that you can get other than apparently this new sixteen inch model dropped. That of course entices me greatly. But you know it's so it's a premium machine you know at At my office. I've fiber Internet as well so literally can't possibly be a better situation for looking at websites really doing any sort of computing and like if something weird happens with the network like like. There's some WIFI outage jerk gets weirdly super slow or something weird is happening. That like the computer itself. It's like is problematic. It's like it's like windows dragged slower and like there's more beach balling in all kinds of like the whole computer behaves badly. It's not just just like just you know it takes longer to download a J peg or whatever. Isn't that weird. I don't know what's happening there too. Many parts in the engine Gwozdecky quite technically speaking beach. balling related to the network. I just wish that it wasn't you know. But that makes me think of all comes back to like the better our hardware who are gets the more stuff we do to fill it up on the more stuff we do to use it Which further widens the gap between the top and the bottom? What I find interesting about your performance thing is like it's you know you're like there's been with you know low bandwidth and if in twenty twelve I was i? I was like no way. This guy's wrong four jeeze coming out home. Solve the world's problems data gets faster. We're having unlimited data plan so whatever like and that's like four G. is great when you're on you know but if you go into the bathroom suddenly for g doesn't isn't work for whatever is it but like you know I it just this like it's it's it's interesting to me telling me that like you you know this is you wrote this seven years ago now and almost eight years ago. 'cause I think he gave the talk in twenty eleven like eight years ago in like we're still having in network reliability in in in even dips in quality and stuff and I live in Austin Texas so It just goes to show. Yeah so like I work with Scott Gel and he has a scrape point in his I think his recent talk or maybe a recent blog. Post that five G. is coming but oh probably make your site slower lower. So I'd recommend looking that up It's just like the same it's the same discussions keep repeating itself over and over and over again We still have the same problems but in just in different ways. Well should we keep going. I fear we're not going to get through the rest of the didn't here We have This next one is really funny. How we just end on that one and then maybe we'll have the perfect guy for this show? Thank you for being a perfect guest for the show. This tax-load says I will learn at the root not the Abstraction Colon javascript before J. Query. Or why you I prototype Mu Tools at all which is great so the ones that you Neymar all sort of dead Framework Semi J. Query will never die. It's unlike I am more than half the pages of the Internet. So there's a whole discussion to be talked about their. You know not exactly in the limelight anymore. So you're the manifesto manifesto is kind of you know. We're in the root technologies. How do you feel about that? I think it's still super important for sure. You want to invest in something. That's going to give you a long-term benefit I think learning one layer up from from the framework obstruction. Is I think very valuable I think I was really dragged hard on on twitter for this because some people have seen it at some like a form of gate-keeping which I guess I can understand because you're just starting Now you WANNA use yeah you start like who cares how you learn. You know like you get there. You'd learn whatever you want like chances are you're not gonNA follow some perfect learning path anyway. So yeah and I definitely understand that I think if you're looking for a longer term investment in your career I think it's also important to learn just one layer up So you can kind of understand how things work and you can have knowledge that will carry forth to the next to the next iteration of framework Yeah because jobs sir. Sort of like they go through framework lifecycles right. I understand the criticism and I kinda do prefer like like doing the distraction a bit I but but this is the front end. Developer menu manifesto not like friend engineer. I guess about like not the like like designer. WHO's trying to make website manifesto? You know in that sense. I'd probably say hey. Just get what you need to get done and be successful. But but if you're GONNA call yourself a friend developer or engineer you probably do like need to start like backing off the abstraction of it like Mike jettisoning not in in starting to learn the route Guess source the source even necessarily like Learning Javascript generically. It's more like looking at the source code of of the framework that you're using or so for example if you're using J. Query look at how Jay Korea does is when it does and then you can get some valuable knowledge from the Source Code of g query or react or view. Or what have you Something that will. It's been on my like things list of things to do. Apparently pre-act is only like what would like something like fifteen functions or something like that and it's it's only three kilobytes have always been like one day. I'm just going to read it and to see what it does. Try to figure out. Probably a bunch of bit wise shift operator very risky. Because that's been code golf to death. Yeah exactly but I just was kind of like what you know. Maybe it'd be cool to like at least you you know. I think of like reactor any of that is just this like big thing. I'll I'll never eventually understand but you know when you tell me it's like thirteen fifteen functions. It's like Oh and this only through that can figure it out some but yeah it has been could Gulf to hells. Yeah just yeah just having the courage to open it up and take a look. Even if you don't understand I think in some is a big step. All Irish had talked from this era right about like reading the J. Query Source Code Right. You remember that question. I think that might have been dug niner niner nine nine. Oh or maybe multiple people did it but I think Paul did a to ten things I learned from the Jake. Yeah Yeah like talk. Just oh adobe flash players L.L. This is great cool but anyway yeah. He's just kind of goes through. It's like classic sake I mean it looks like a baby in the video but he just classic like I'm going to turn on the screen recorder. Just drive my browser window kind of talking awesome pre pre streaming so talk but is good so you just picked up a lot of weird things like Oh. This is how this works. Oh that's how that works. Yeah he's very good at that style. Talk for sure. Well thanks for coming on Zach. This is really cool. There are there are more to look at here. I bet we only got through half of them really. Maybe be a little bit more than that. But they're all they all. I think the point of the show as they all actually do hold up pretty darn well so so Kudos Zach for you know being a many good thinker for for for so long here and maybe nice saved a copy of this on my desktop. In case you try to change something clicks save that. I've already deployed changes. Oh no kidding I gotcha here. We're GONNA and Scott half the styles some local Zach. Thank you so much for coming on and and I it is curious to see how this manifesto holds up or even whether the twenty I guess we're getting into twenty twenty here with a twenty twenty manifesto might look like so Thank you for that for those. Who aren't falling you and giving you money? How can they do that? I think the best way to give me. Money is to be an eleven eleven contributor on open collective You can go to our website. One one T Y dot. Io and donate from there right long. Live the possum and Thank you dear listener for downloading this in your catcher choice. Be Sure start favourite up. That's how people find out about the show follows on twitter. Shop talk show for tenths tweets. It's month and you hate your job. Have shop talk show dot com slash jobs and get brand new because people want to hire people like you and Chris you got anything else. You'd like to say Japan. Show DOT com.

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The Nexus 31 - "Distant Voices" / "Genesis" (CLIP)

We Hate Movies

06:24 min | 2 years ago

The Nexus 31 - "Distant Voices" / "Genesis" (CLIP)

"Uh-huh. Altuva hannah. Hello nice to meet you out. He was the scores of fuck it horse. What's what's what's the read on that? And by harsh harsh mean, bio Mimetic gel. Gel. Jill kinda crews me out. Just you take some of the jelly put it on your walls, and you get high share, you know, what it for Mary, you know, even asking me for a smear of biometric Jekyll jellies felony. We will be put to I know what you're doing quark. It's be on the cop on this station. Constable, please. Now Bashir no seriously. Just come on. Just give me give me putting your script pad farthest. I need you to need you to take one of the blankets up here pad and give it the glue on those things off all the time. It could just fall dropping and we in the hallway left and right anywhere. They ask questions. Hey. Withdrew gilding other wanna get it off street. It's could it be forgotten could with Ulan Virga eyebrows do to make. Have been. Well. What the kids? Good. Also, it's done for me. It's my lithium friend. Freaking looking at the fingernails in my face. It's really really annoying when you do that this guy. The lithium looks like fucking Toko, whichever one was the the rep this the fucking snapping turtle from Tokyo and raise our longing about ninja turtles to this whole in the secret of the us. And he's drug by the way, very bad buying drugs. Dude, also, well, we're in the cafeteria of certainly I would never give you biometric. Joe meet me and my office. Such a like there are ways to cock up a drug deal. And then there's this dude first of all you sit down and you start talking about something else for a little bit. Exactly. You ask Bashir about like how his hollow? Sweet. And this is going shift. Your mother needs to smear it over something. Sad story. Exactly. Something's of in space cancer. My mother's sacks or cancer. Dip it in this gel understand though, Beshir's like no go on the biometric Joe because they really fucked up, and like it's this weird thing where like cork as turtles while he shed now, it's like this. Told you my buddy had I thought I thought he was gonna help you how to help you out. And then it's great because the dude like storms away and quirks left. Standing there awkwardly and he's like. Did I mention their new food items? You can get it at the bar. And they're like fuck off you weird for Randy pervert. You give me gene therapy fucking dictate bra and then motherfuckers bringing in animals that I could not believe data walks in. And he's like spot is due to give birth at any any day now. And so your doctors for people aimed animal. People end klingons you might as well. Get a cat in there. A horse. Absolutely. Beverly my horses. Sick. We bring spot because. Yes, how did this cat get pregnant because later in the? You know? Fully function. No me. Who'd he could you can morph is dick and like a cat. Dick, data says exactly how it happened. There's exactly twelve male felines on the spaceship, and and Spock it's out at Mr. data to the bridge. Misstep data cats fucking on my space. You know, what Mr. data this is the bridge of a galaxy class starship. But it's not the back alley behind a fucking Borno Serie. Serie Picard to go to sleep. And I Slough to get some shut. In the hallway? Always cats like fucking. We get rid of these cats, please. He's just got a big bucket with all the kids, and he brings it into his room. Fucking Rosa biz leaves draws about time to get a work here. Two three drown kitties. Lord walking to work in the morning, and it's like the all the fucking carpeting in the hallways like ripped and. Jisr, Don bloodied. Someone someone did not clean you keep that litterbox near engineering, but someone needs to clean that thing. Look if I come down here. One more time in this kitty, litters filled to the brim with shit. I'm gonna throw that right enough. Fucking walk Justa. I saw cat this morning. Who looked he gave me a devilish? Look like a Heathcliff that he held up a giant skeleton of a fish. This keeps asking me for lasagna. And I'm going to kick him out the you know, what Mr. data if I come down here. One more time. I get harassed by the fucking junkyard gang. This is no way to run a spaceship cats openly fucking on it. You cannot have.

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Episode #283  The Mummy LIVE

The Flop House Podcast

1:20:14 hr | 2 years ago

Episode #283 The Mummy LIVE

"On this episode of the podcast. We discuss mummy live in Seattle America. Stir stir. You just forget what state we're in. No. Washington there you. Nice. Hey, everyone flop house. I'm Dan McCoy. Doer wellington. And I'm Elliot Ceylan. Come on down note, there it was that all about maybe it's this Seattle gray. That's got me down. You know, I heard the blues were Colin tossed salad and rambled already. Did these Frazier jokes before the show started? I don't know the people at home the Frazier jokes are new here. But you're killing our vibe here in the room. You're right on sorry. We're in Seattle the home of mummies. There is a legend that there should come a day when three morons will appear in the city of the needle of space and their waste time. Speaking of a curse of a mummy, and that story is called are you three men and a mummy? Okay. Sorry. Steve Gutenberg and Ted Danson and Tom Selleck. The mummy the mummy from roster squad. Hold on his. Dug up a real moment for that. Dan. The mummy as himself. That's right. That's right. So this is a podcast. Yup. Where we talk about bad movies. Follow. It's making eye contact with me right now. And it's weird. I didn't realize that was in your fucking writer that I couldn't make eye contact with you. Stages win route on the road. Yes, Stewart believes that. If you make eye contact with them outside of reclaim New York that you can absorb his soul. And he does not want anyone knowing what he's been doing with that. So cowardly and superstitious person. That's why Batman was able to easily. What was your immune villa? Name beerman. UC remains committed beer themed rhymes. Like what stealing beer, I don't. I think that's the only one. I mean crippling beer gums that you spray here and people's. The influence of beer, I think that is a crime, just bam. Do a lot of like traffic stops. Even thinking. I'm going to need you to get out of the car, sir. And I trust you. No, we didn't watch any Batman movies. We watched the mummy. Brendan Fraser's, the mummy no tonight, or is Karloff. The mummy. Watch Tom Cruise's? The dark Merle's is dark universe is the mummy wasn't Martin Lawrence is big mummy's house, which I guess would just be a tomb or a pyramid. Yeah. Was it that no it was again. I said it's Tom Cruise is the mummy was it. Christine appleaday and don't tell mommy. The babysitters. Also mummy is. Dammit, elliot. Hugh that we wasted snow much. Is it was it? Danny devito's throw mummy from the train. Don't do that. It's a priceless. Antiquity? Yeah. Indiana Jones comes out that. Mommy belongs in a museum data to Beatles. Well, throwing it off this train. That would be I would love to see Danny devito, Indiana Jones, Phil. I mean, he kind of as it. I guess he is in advancing the stone. Yeah. All right. All right. All my dreams have been answered guys. So we watch a move in. We talk about it. And we're going to do that right now. And this night is no different. May why is this night different from all their and other nights? It's not. Probably from my people who the mummies oppressed for thousands of years. I watched this movie on every time that mummy got hurt. I was like fuck yet. Egypt. Take that pharaoh won't let my people go. I guess what I'm saying guys this time, it's personal. So let's talk about what happens in the mummy. So the most exciting thing about this movie to me is we start with the universal logo. And then it spins around and we see the ARCHE universal logo. Now. I'll answer the question for future generations listening this. What is the dark universe because we've never heard of it before? Well, dark universe is Universal's attempts to rebrand its universal monster classic characters as a superhero style shared universe. Will there'll be a team of them. I guess fighting crime and eat lime as they say. Okay, because they all go to the beach to hang after two shots after because if we if I can take you on a flashback, which this movie does a lot of. Universal monsters were the original shared cinematic universe. And they all it was very organic in that the head of universal said these monsters aren't making them much money individually. Let's throw a bunch of them into a movie together move stick Adam Castilla when they're to eventually. Yeah. Yeah. And then when he wasn't working at anymore. They said forget it. And then a movie called monster squad came along and change nothing. Pretty badly. A universal movie. I don't think. No. It wasn't because they couldn't use the universal design. That's why they all look slightly different than their class. And they couldn't say creature from the black lagoon. They just say like fish man or something which is a dentist. This bread Gilman. Drip, and all this briny water in my mouth while he's cleaning me out anyway, so the dark universe logo because universal has big plans for these characters they are all going to come together. And this is the introduction of those movies. If you don't Count Dracula untold which universal has decided to not count anymore kind of like marvel with the at Norton incredible hall. You can kind of forget about it. It's an apocryphal film found in a cavern. You see? Some some movie goers believe in it, but it's not official canon. Anyway, we go from that dark universe logo. Which is not that exciting. It's just the universal logo. But it's dark, and we see the text onscreen of Egypt resurrection. Rare cut to where else after you see in resurrection prayer in Komi cut to England eleven twenty seven. We're a bunch of crusader knights without dialogue Beria dead man with with a magic gemstone immediately. Cut to present day that tomb discovered by guys digging new London tube tunnels under in the city of London. And there's a then we cut to bunch of talking heads on news talking about this new transit project for London for a minute. I was like guys I might be pretty excited. If this is about transit. Like if mummies sent for like you municipal underground metropolitan moving yob os. Surround. Around municipal underground moving men, yelling subterranean, okay? In the streets. I was like alas and archaeologists on TV goes, hey, these crusaders went to Egypt apropos of nothing. Then we it's time for the movie to start right wrong. Russell Crowe and his men take possession of the burial site in voiceover. Russell Crowe tells us the story of the ancient Princess who was the ruthless heiress to the pharaoh. But then the pharaoh had a son oh ways before school. He's screaming how she's he first describes her as beautiful like chill out. Food. No. But I mean, that's the first thing brings up talking about our merits. He says China people objectify mummies. He describes his ruthless only was ever objectified. A mummy was John Ashton's character in the Frighteners. Who is a ghost has sex with a moment. That's right. Yeah. Then anyone continuing he describes her as ruthless or mercilus in a scene where she actively doesn't hit a guy with a stick. Like, it's just you know, the causes a disconnect for me of. You're Russell Crowe is really putting a very patriarchal spin on this story, saying the Princess shouldn't be made barrow that would be crazy 'cause she's all evil and stuff and she plays into that stereotype by when the sun is more and takes over her in into the throne. She cells resulted set the God of death because there's a lot of different faces all Dodds, but in this one sets just evil motherfucker like he just hate he's evil snakehead or a dog, which kind of had a serpent God dot your thinking of probably a new vista jackal headed God also God of death. And let's not forget Cyrus is also pretty much got a death all the gods except for Horace slash raw pretty much. God today to say the. Death. There was a lot of death going all constantly. It's a little bit like saying some God was the Greek God of being kind of a jerk to everybody. That's what they did. So she sells her so we'll set and she's reborn covered with tattoos like that one monk in quite on. And she tested hieroglyphs on her, and suddenly she has double pupils, which should make it much harder to see. Throughout the movie. I was waiting for the moment. We're that gave her an advantage like she could see better. But it's just 'cause medic runs up on her side and the other people catches him. Yeah. Exactly. I would love drugs a car that Evan Turner head checker blinds was that one scene. There's a wanting what she goes to war Parker and she's like the glasses with four. I'm going to need to get my manager. And she. Kills her. Brother kills her father and then vows to give set a mortal man's body to be reborn in. But well, she's having some kind of like crazy sexy cool blood sugar sex magic moment where she's about to stab him with a magic dagger gets shot by a bunch of trank darts. Because apparently the ancient Egyptians knew the power of tranquilizers in darts and she's buried as a mummy are from Egypt in a special mass mystic tomb that keeps her safe anyway. So Russell Crowe tells us all this voice over and you're like all right out of, you know, those does this Russ had, you know, this big Russ. It's probably gonna matter later, right? Cut to it's not completely unrelated. Serious, man. There's a different story before the rest of it. It's just the medically linked cut to Iraq. Tom Cruise is our hero Nick and his side kick Vail played by who wasn't Johnson. What's he from? Girl, which was one is she? Girls. Every girl is. I mean, she's been around for a while. All right like new girl with a baby. Rich vein of comedy. I've tapped it out. So he's side kick bail, I guess to to symbolism of the veil of tears on the veil or whenever there. It's not likely if they're soldiers or mercenaries kind of both they work for the army, but they're their own bosses, and they are supposed to be advanced scouts for the military. But also loot antiquities for money, and they have kind of Tom Cruise runs them into a goofy kind of one of those comedy action sequences where they're getting shot up. But they're like, whoa. I told you never to do this against village. Full of insurgents were presented as a literally faceless hoard. I think we only see them from the back of their heads. I mean, we see like the bullet hits more than them. I mean, you said that this is a very good cheap way of doing gun five where all you see Squibb's. You don't actually have to see the bad guys. Get some Squibb's running through a narrow hallway, and there's just gunshots web's going off, and I'm like, they saved a lot of money doing the battles. Right. They use that money to then call in an airstrike which opens up a crater unearthing on its tomb of turns out, Nick Cruz has been trying to find some inequalities based on a map he stole from a lady archaeologist named Jenny who slept with it's kind of a silver, tongues devil. He's always talking his way. Atta trouble way into trouble. Got her number from a bathroom stall. It was eight six seven five believe. Yeah. There's a deleted scenerios. I got it. I got God. So Nick veil and Jenny they go for the tomb. They find a pit of mercury and there's all these ritual warnings. She's like something very powerful buried down here. This is meant as a warning to keep this thing guarded in other loud. And this would be very ominous. Russell Crowe hadn't already told us everything that's in the whole like. Just get with the mummy. You already told us this whole it's but it was like you by this. We've seen the whole. It's like if alien was the exact same brilliant movie. It is but beforehand there is a scene where the robot is being briefed about the Zeno more. And they're like, look, there's this crazy alien he bus a chest, and he spits acid blood. He's got another little tiny mouse inside his big mouth face near one of us. They were a bunch of space jockeys, and it burst out of them on this planet. Go find him. And then when John hurt is exploring you'd be like speed it up, John, we know what's going to happen. So the mummy has already undermined itself. So Nick through his own dumb actions of raising the office out of the mercury bunch of CJ bugs, come out everywhere, and they bite veil and nNcholas Nate's on it and the desert. She tells him that he set her free and he's chosen again, we know what this means already because the movie told us, but all the characters are way behind us. So we're like speeded up guys. They airlift out. The ravens everywhere. A sandstorm comes in. This is bad news right off the bat, but Jenny's real excited. She's like Egypt sarcophagus in Mesopotamia and remind me so much of the Monty python meeting of life seen with like a tiger in Africa. Jenny takes a moment to be like Nick, you only care about yourself. That's your problem, which is a weird thing to say to someone you assume you will never see again veil gets possessed by on it. And he just starts stabbing away. Sorry, Courtney Vance who we didn't mention is in the movie, you get stabbed bales. Totally zombie fide. Nick has to shoot them a couple times louder ravens smashes into the. The pilots. That's so raven and the co-pilot laps it for half a second before they die or the ravens beaks puncture is if I gotta go, I gotta go laughing. I'd rather take me with a smile face. Now, I think this was the first scene where they really try to be scary. Was it successful for you seeing Courtney b Vance step like that. And he's a great actor, and I didn't want to see him go my favorite person by the idea of Courtney Vance as an actor like just not making movies again, we're being in the rest. I didn't think they really stabbed him for real. Easel good actor. He was acting that he was stabbed. Oh, I just I didn't like that being teased with acording. Vance is going to be in this movie. And then they remove him. I mean, you're scared by the laws of entertainment is what you're saying. Yeah. Exactly. And it made me wish that he was the hero the movie. But so were you guys scared at this point? I mean, it was it was kind of weird. How Jake Jack Johnson J Johnson named shakes. The decision to have them have like one weird milky. I the whole time like cable, no strange. So that founded off that played into your fear of getting cataracts. Yes. Each time. The mummy takes over somebody there eyeballs their principles rollback into their heads. And it looks hilarious. It's like she played a slot machine. The mummy is making this person very much over it. If someone doesn't use a gif of later on when the when the computer worker, his eyes roll back as a way to express done with you over Twitter, why this mummy movie the plane crashes, we get some zero g action as the plane is in free fall. They went up in a vomit comet to shoot. That's everybody. It's not a bad scene. It's very very much feels like the MO like a scene. They added in when Tom Cruise got attach. Yeah. They were Tom Cruise. Will. You wanna play this movie? I'm gonna fall some point, right? Like, I'm gonna fall from a great height. And be like, Ooh, I mean, he doesn't make noise. Communicate. Famous noise. In his earlier movies. He hadn't really tied it down. And he has goofy. Whenever whenever Tom. Cruise says a stunt. He tugs at his collar. Yeah. I wonder if he's one of those guys that like that's the only way feels alive anymore. Like he needs to rush mean after soom. So he's a strange, man. Do you think is like stunt team is like shit? Megan another have I done a home where I'm on fire yet. Tom you have in on a home movie where? Pick for that, Tom. I don't think you understand that movies about I wanna do a movie where I drown everything. Alright, tom. Okay. Nick saves Jenny's life by giving her the only parachute and the plane crashes in England. I'm not sure. And I I'm not sure if it's because they're flying England's it's an American military flight. Maybe it's a basin England where if they took the the Iraq to like New York route that goes through the UK, I don't know you'd think they'd be going to launch stool. On your own or the flight plans for this movie. I'm I mean, I think it was the scenic route they want to see all those castles that. Yeah. But the point usually does that. Yes. Swing by. Seven hours to the flight. But sure what we're gonna tin can in the air. Why not? So Nick crashes, but then he wakes up in a body bag in a more. Untouched. It's a chance for Tom Cruise to walk around with no clothes on. It was hope Bill to us at fifty four years old Jack is super Jack, Jack Reacher. Totally Jack Reacher. Feature Jack richer. Yeah. Sure. And Vale starts talking to them. That's right guys. They are American where we'll Finland's inning Vale is. Now, a ghost that talks to Nick? Meanwhile, police were investigating the plane crash which I thought was weird because they already invested the plane crash right because they pulled cruises body out of it and put it in a body bag. So these guys are investigating. They didn't know plane crashed. I heard a sound I guess, I'll wait a minute this plane shouldn't be here. It should be in the sky. What's this blame doing in me? Bog? Bafta award for that. You promise. No accent work to I never promised. Anyway, they're the guys were in every monster movie where it's their job to just wander into the monster and kill them and show, you what their powers are the mummy who is now a spine Lee quickly crackly twitchy Crawley kind of Ringo. Type of thing kills them with death kisses absorbs their life essence and starts reforming its body. And the cops becomes zombies who screeched like raptors, which was kind of Sailly zombies walk around. For the most part all these scenes that have a lot of special effects are done as dark in muddy as possible is Dr king. Shirts. And it is also a way to cheap out on special effects. Jenny. She starts telling Nick go to a bar. She's like it's weird that you survived that crash without a scratch. Anyway, I've been looking for this magic dagger. And it's magic jewel that you can perform you can use to perform a ritual that brings the body. The brings the gods set into a man's body. Some crusaders took the jewel, and then she tells us more about the Princess, and it's like, I know we saw the beginning of the movie. Should've just played the mummy starring Tom Cruise at that point. Watch this space balls. Base. I first baseball reference of the night guys. Buckle up. It's going to be a space. Balling night. Mentioned monster squad and space balls. It's like, we don't mention every movie that Elliott awesome. When he was. Meanwhile, villes goes to Nick me in the bathroom, and he goes, Nick recurs and Nick starts loosening that he's in an alleyway and the mummy attacks with a horde of rats, and he's like. He comes to with Jenny. And he's like, I saw a mummy, and she goes you just hit your head. You're crazy. And it's like we're a scene ago. You're telling him about a magic tagger. Yes. She mentioned that she thought they'd angered the gods. Nick. I thank you. I think we may have angered the gods. One scene later. She's like okay enough with the crazy dog crazy. I don't just believe in. God. God, I believe in. So it's a weird. It's one of these weird moments from like is this a sequel to multiplicity, and I didn't realize it and the first Jenny went home and another Jenny showed up. But anyway, the mummies just wandering around given more guys on kisses the steal their life energy or something. And it was around this time that I realized I'm cruises a man in his mid fifty very well preserved and in his movies. He's always matched up with the younger woman and kind of feeds off their younger energy. Guys, got what are you? What are you suggesting that I think I'm cruise? What is a mummy? Ellie skipping to the end of the movie. Only medically. I mean, a real life. Anyway, for the purposes career, I did not call Tom Cruise a mummy. Anyway, Nick and Jenny are like eight let's go over to this old crappy church near the crash site. Not crappy little creepy church. It's a beautiful church. Anyway, I'm sure it's a his landmark historic site. It's so said that so much on be damaged takes place. They go to this castle church where the mummy shows up and there's zombie fight. She captures Nick, and she's about to stab him when she sees the jewel is not in the dagger. Oh, boy, she forgot the jewel. He's going to have to go back home, get it. But it in the dagger back to Tom Cruise lift driver yet to pay him both ways. Right. Do you have to tip both ways to? It's probably separate drivers. He's not gonna wait for you outside. He's not making a living wage gotta keep hustling come on. I apologize. On his very upset about realized that this national convention of deluded lived drivers. I apologize. Jehad button issue out here. I don't really think of Seattle is like a place with a lot of like app type stuff, you know. No. It's like, what do I think of when I think of Seattle, no coffee tech, apps stuff. No seahawks. Sunny, very sunny anyway. So she's like, oh, my gym I needed. There's a big ambi-. Mommy fight cruise just kicking mommy's apart and smash them with his hands. And there's some kind of funny gags in it. But it's so dark. It's hard to really make out. What's going on? They get away in an ambulance which was there. I guess that's the ones that the people who came to examine the crash site. We're in unless like relict churches are elsewhere, ambulance parking, lots neyland, I don't know. They attacks on these are all over the car. So Tom Cruise is the one who brought them back here. And he's also the one who's driving the car, and they're like talking. He's driving all of a sudden realize back like he can't get away from that mummy. Yeah. It can't. Well, she says is committed to this dark universe Jenny goes she's in your head, and he should have gone Czaja BEI zombie. But he doesn't he doesn't while when supposed to believe Tom Cruise is not familiar with the work of the cranberries. Because Chris if I'm wrong did these star in our into way, a movie about an Irishman. I guess I guess I can't argue with that math. I guess you're right, Elliot. Well, I mean, it felt kind of like they were playing that song in the movie because you kept sinking over. It's a solid song. That's a solid horror song it's off pudding. Anyway, they crashed the car and drive back to where the mummy as they crashed the car and the mummy's about to kill Ginny win, trank darts. Not this again, some commando black ops. Wet works infiltrate exfiltrated types, come in. And there's several dozen of them, and they they kidnap the mummy, and they trank up Tom Cruise, which seems unnecessary at that point. Anyway, this is where the dark universe really gets university because they get taken to the headquarters of GM, which is the British government's. They don't really what is kind of secret Ubale hunting four snits led by Russell Crowe as you guessed it, Dr Henry Jekyll oh of heckling Jekyll the cartoon groves. He's the one is sounds like Jimmy Durante. I think I'm not a big heckle head. I don't more general object boy jacking off to the general part of the. Anyway, Henry Jekyll in the part in that Russell Crowe. He gives a long speeches about the shape of evil. We're always looking for evil. He is so avoiding saying the word monster like it is crazy. The tap dancing. He has to do linguistically to get around saying monster. But you see like there's like a Gillman hand in a jar. And there's like Dracula skull and ajar it's all there's all sorts of great stuff in Henry jackal. He's got to inject himself with his anti hide medicine or else Edward comes out. And no not Eddie the dog from Frazier. You're talking. Deason your favorite my favorite actor of all time. Eddie Dee's in from war games. I want to hold your hand all sorts forty one. Nineteen forty one. Yeah. Sure. Nerd type movies all sorts of except for venture nerds. He's not in that feels like stay oversight. These was on the phone to his age. I gave you one job. Give me a nerd roles. That apparently listening to be probably people come up to them all the time and tell them how much they liked him in the nerds. You're welcome. Thanks. I guess anyway. Jenny also works for Jim. What does that mean not much really? Even more baffling that she did not believe that a mummy was after Tom Cruise. Good point was she just like playing a game with his heart understand they chained up on it in a room, and they're just pumping mercury into her body in the hopes that eventually she will settle down enough that they can dissect her and anyone would do if you about it. Because they've explained earlier than mercury is like Egypt's anti magic note. But no, bad stuff magic stuff. So if you're ever attacked mummy crack on open thermometer and just shoved interface on that's the way to do it. Get an old Victorian hat and just kind of ring all the mercury out of the felts. We're gloves. It will drive you crazy work for normal human to shove a mercury thermometer in their face. Oh baser cover. An ominous is like because she's awake and just talking to them. And Nick, you're gonna take my lover's place in the set ritual, and they tell the story again of when she killed her family, and she literally says they were different times. And it's like, oh, so like people didn't know it was wrong back. Then like, it was okay to do those things like we're more enlightened now people. No. It's not okay to kill your baby brother and slit your dad's throw he sleeping back. Then we didn't know those things row K. We're not it wasn't a more innocent time a different time ghosts give blow jobs. And she starts tempting him with visions in his head. Meanwhile, the workers at that crusader to remember that they find the gemstone that belongs in the dagger. An ominous has some kind of psychic premonition that she's done it. And she's like I'm gonna go to end phase. And meanwhile, Jackson say she intended to get captured situation thing about go. I love it. I love it when a bad guy intends to get captured. And then does something that he could have done much more easily outside of jail. I don't understand why it's like a every now. And then I don't know if this happened to DC comics, I don't read that. But every now, and then marvel comics the same villain will show up in five books in one month. Like a suddenly five guys roll like we haven't seen in a while in FANG foam. Let me put him in my book. And I'll just pretend he's never he hasn't been seen in a while. So usually, by the way for people who don't know giant dragon. He's a giant alien who looks like a drag anywheres little per. Shorts and you can put him to sleep with a magic onion. If you make them smell it. I don't know if that's still part of Cam. But in the original story what they do. But and so suddenly you're reading five books that Finn paint whom shows been you're like, this is a lot. I've been on love fame food, a lot of all of a sudden. So it's like. This. This movie is not. I'm trying to remember how I got onto that. There was that period where food. I mean, I do love in Vancouver. Even I can have too much triple f, you know. No. But there was this period. Where every movie they were like, hey, what if it turns out the bad guy wanted to get captured? And I wanted to be like Hollywood, let's sit down for a minute. Now. Let's let's table that issue about all the reboots as I tried to explain to you guys that when Khan showed up in Star Trek, the first time, it was just an idea somebody had and it wasn't like a thing. They were referencing. You don't have to you can make a new thing. You don't have to con- again. So let's forget that a guys you think it would be cool if the villain got captured on purposes Parviz plan and five screenwriters all go. Hey, I was going to do that. And then they look at each other and go I wish I could do that. But it's too late now. So anyway, I don't know. I don't think this is one of those cases, I think she didn't wanna get captured that they are so bad at capturing monsters. It just didn't hurt her at all anyway, and she uses so anyway, Dr Jekyll going to end the curse we're going to do the ritual. And then when set is in your body, I'm going to kill you. And that way, we'll kill Santa Cruz for some reason doesn't like this idea. Yeah. And he is like. On a second. Yeah. And you're gonna kill me Tom Cruise, and I'm never gonna die Sind with. He's like mate mate. Let's wrestle. Russell Crowe's like mate. Let's shoot off to cameras again. It's not with character. You're in a movie, and he's right. Right. Right. Right. I forgot I forgot. Okay. I don't remember when I'm not new movie when I'm in a movie or not, okay. And but it's like this idea. Like, okay, we're gonna give the Scott on mortal, and then murdered. It made me wonder why does set wanna mortal form so badly. How does that help him in any way? Probably because being him moral Bonnie lets you feel leisures of. So you're saying you need all the ice cream in the world. You can cover your body in all the ice cream. You can buy. The pleasures of the flesh. Two. Cream with your family? You're saying sit is sitting on a throne in the underworld, and he's just kind of like weighing weighing the hearts of dead souls against a feather to see if they belong in eternal rest return fire. And he's like all this power means nothing because I'll never know. What Stephen go bears Mira cone dream tastes like. Oh, what worth all these souls? Chunky monkey has denied me. Anyway. So Knicks like I don't like that. And he says I'd says Jekyll giving you're mids. I'm gonna take them from you until you don't kill me. And he's like well now I'm going to turn into Mr Hyde, and we're going to fight a little bit. And Mr Hyde is like a doctor Jekyll is very refined. Of course, Mr Hyde is a cockney bruiser. Class system thing going on there like as soon as he turns evil you just like he's a lower class. The Russell Crowe is much more adept at playing the bruiser refined when he comes walking out with a book. I'm like there's that book is empty. It's like playing. It's like the moment in any foreign movie where a guy supposed to be working in an office. And he's jacked ex-con wearing very ill fitting suit. Tattoo not accountant. Book. It's more likely to be lugging intendo power. Guitar tablets. Anyway. I mean, he's thirty grunt. Good for called thirty odd foot of reasonable discussion. So the mummy uses a spider to crawl into a lab workers ear it takes forever for this lab worker to realize a spider is crawling on his face and crawls into his ear, and he's like weird feeling in my thing. I slapped my face thinking, there's a bug on it way more often than there's ever a bug on it if there's an actual evil magic bug on my face. I would know it. I wish there was a little scene that showed him getting their lates work. Of. Novacaine? Goes slamming the freese can't feel it. No. All right. Maybe we're just until wears off. I love that. That was literally true in the director, talking screenwriters and know what you're getting don't think we need the scene. Like, how wells does not feel the spider on his face? That's really what you're wondering about. So the the mummy controls guy, and he frees her by just like smashing all the machinery and she calls a wind and sand storm and. Circus early stuff around on chains. It's all very what's a search leash o- slow. Love that love show. One more. Call like gymnastics went. That's right. Yeah. At the original titles utopia. The original title, zoo, belief zoo. Magic and wonder are waiting for you. I think the one children's theme song I'll take your word for. I know the words that one asked me the Denver last dinosaur song, I'll tell you all that tell me about I'll tell you about Judah. I don't know Suva zoo. I only know that because I would come on what time to turn the television. So it was like when I used to record the office on NBC on my DVR, always be that one minute of outsourced at the enzyme be like, delete. Don't wanna watch this. Anyway, I wanna make I wanna make the kind of thing that I'm gonna make a lot this warning. Now that living. L A a lot of great people worked on this movie a lot agreeable wrote on outsource. I am in no way saying that people worked on at our bad sometimes good people on bad things. Anyway. So she calls up a wind and sandstorm and Jenny just out run. It like crazy and they're just running past civilians. They are not trying to help anybody and it gets so big all the windows in London or shattering huge San cloud with the mummy's face on it engulfs, the parliament building. And this is we never see how this affects London. Like, it just kind of happens. And it's like all right. I guess London just dealt with that like all the glazers in London were rubbing their hands together with glee. Put down those bankruptcy papers back and business. Trace the transit news off of the news. There's a bigger story than the transit. Hold on though. If all the windows broken all this sand around. I don't know where you're looking at me as if I know where you're going with this. You can make last sand. Do that at home? Yeah. Having to your window. Just get a tub full of sand. And then do something to the become a glazier consumer manner. Somebody show. There'd been a scene where the Queen is being introduced to a Duke from somewhere his monocle smash. And she goes. Anyway, they're all running around Nick jumps through bus, which is kind of a cool stunt buses sliding towards them any jumps through the windshield. And just kind of rolls around the seats for awhile. Bails goes shows up, and it's like, Nick all me and takes them to a train tunnel where they are attacked by zombies. I don't know why Vale took them there. I don't know. I don't know what those accomplish has to like complete his like livery of MTA, the mummy, maybe we can rest them get a signature from the moment. Process server for the mummy they showed up in the mummy's tomb in the mummy's. Not in is sorry, Nick, we're going back to the holding facility. We'll just we'll just stick up this incredibly easy to remove it. He pays the paper to the mummy's tomb door and write some arbitrary time on it because I was fucking home at that time. Writing number down that if you put it into the internet. They're like no don't recognize this number or it says we'll be back tomorrow at the same time the time we already know you're not as. It wasn't here at eleven AM time win almost nobody is at their house. I'll come back tomorrow. It's more convenient for me. That's our five minute on deliveries. So you've been great now for our five minutes on deliverance. You may be a redneck if. If you fuck net Beatty. I mean, it seems like casting a pretty wide net. Not every redneck. But if you do then you not everyone was at six with big thing. Exactly, you're not saying that at all, right? All right bed. His wife isn't a redneck. Don't know that Dan. I'm just saying let's not granted to keep one foot on shore over. You open up to a real liable for Mr. and MRs Badie. And I don't mean Warren Beatty in than Benning lovely. All right. We're so close to the end. Okay. So the mummy attacks the place where the grips with crusader knights are those crusader knights come to life. And now they work for the mummy. It's like do you guys forget why you brought the gym here in the first place because I did why did you bring that Jim here in the first place? What did you think it was and on at puts the gem on the day or and it does something that Stewart? I think you said you like. Like suctions in there. Like, it's a magnet. Yeah. I really do. Reminds me of the first time, I got I got a laptop where there was a magnet in the chargers thing, and I held it up to the charging port and it just kinda finish the job. And I was like that's pretty nice futures. Now that seems that saves me a millimeter of movement. Thank you. Well that lasted millimeter. Yeah. That was worth losing the ability to play CDs or DVD's on my computer. Thank you. That was worth you. Putting it proprietary port on everything. And then changing you've ever years. Sure, there is gonna come. Apple has a new kind of curiosity that we all have to use. I guess I got rewire my house for apple current and Apple's going to elect student elephant to show how good it is. Yeah. Terrible. Thanks for nothing. Apple. Tim cook with your cooks towards of Europe. Okay. Does he do those? Anthony Dane, did which I brought the audience down. Was reading way too much. Anyway. There's Jenny drowns in flooded tunnel. I don't remember how they got in the flood of tunnel. Nick. It's captured in the mummy is beating shit out of him. But Nick uses this the steals the dagger out from under her very mummified knows. And after briefly beating her up a little bit stabs himself with the dagger shakes around, and he gets double pupil like her the gym goes dark and the dagger shatters. Now, he's sit over to Eliot. I'm like. And the mummy. So then he choke slams woman a bunch. Start thinking about the moment, you just hammering her into the ground, and it's like knowing she's a deadly. Mommy. This is kind of cool. This is what the audience wants to see is the leader of a crazy. Fucking religious beating. And then each uses, and then I guess this is about as fairplay, but he chooses the most demeaning way to kill the mummy is big kiss on the lips. And she triples up. And he's like I've regained myself. I remembered why and I'm no longer set the death God and he screams at Jenny until she wakes up and comes back to life. And it's like even that it's like, how do I bring my beloved back to life with a kiss? No, I'll just yell at her into wakes. Jenny were late. Stupid buddy any bosses waiting for us. I am not Jenny. Steely Dan already two songs in probably get up anyway. And so Nick goes to the shadows. Now, some kind of monster. What kind we don't know a mummy? I guess we can't see him reenacting the carlito's way poster and is giving up his humanity for Jenny. And so it's and walks off into the darkness Forrest Gump. It right. Walks off into the dark. No he's trae humanity for Jimmy. So that's what happened like the resumes. Soul and allows it to a new is going to weigh it against a nother, FOX chocolates. Pretty clear in the text a Nubia. Sleaze your heart against about the chocolates. But new keeps eating the chocolate. So it's like way what you're making that bucks later. That's not fair. And we just crazy because he's a dog headed deity and. And. He's going to be wearing his own souls. So Dr gentle shows up, and he talks to Jenny about how now Knicks out there. Trying to find out if he's good or evil and Nick brings Vail back to life, and they go back to the desert in Dr Jekyll says, they're going to search the world for a cure for the curse. But he'll always fight the evil in naked. Like, let's go on an adventure. Like, I don't think he's looking for cure and they put on it back in her mercury box. I'm back another day and the next dark universe movie, which I assume is going to be called like Frankenstein's pal. So even then fast forwarded through the credits hoping for some kind of post credits scene. I wanted to see where they're like Dr Jekyll in his office. Just reading a book as always find intelligent, Oxbridge, gentlemen and the phone rings normal book, there's an intern Dr Jekyll the other doctors here to see you what other doctor he says his name is Frankenstein. But that doesn't happen or I was waiting for it to be like another a man as you to see you whose name his name is man Wolfman that doesn't have. This reminds me of the trailer that you said you always wanted to see Stewart where like someone runs down the hall in the White House goes Mr President if you ever heard of where wool. The most amazing thing. Where we'll doing. That's a national issue. I mean, that's your imaginations for Elliot because I'm to imagine the rest of the movie trailers all about. And what I was really opened for was a scene where Russell Crowe Dr Jekyll is reading totally normal book and not a collection of pornography that he printed off the internet, and bow and self bound at kinko's now, it's not he doesn't have a book binding apparatus in his garage. And he's an -sponse, but. But that goes like buying this for me. Don't look at it. And he falls asleep at his desk any wakes up in a dream world. And we hear familiar voice say I think you need a new member of your dog universe. Ready? And Freddie Krueger steps out into into frame. What about if it was universal monster right now? L let if it was like, I mean, I think Elliott's Sears. He's universal in the sense that we all love them. A universal monster that he exists in all cultures. Like the trickster God or a story of a flood. Or if it was like, it was like, we need another monster in Jane, Fonda walks. She goes how about a monster in law. And then lily Tomlin walks out and goes mill Grayson Frankie now. All right. We're running late. So let's I just want to say one thing. Okay. It can be part of my final judge. Okay. Yeah. This is where we do. Final judgments judgments, a good bad movie, a bad bad movie or movie, we kinda liked Elliot. You say something so bad guys. But anyway, let's get to what I was going to say I love the universal monsters a love them to death, even beyond death like many of the monsters themselves. It was a time when my wardrobe consisted, mainly of universal monsters, t shirts and black jeans. They make T shirts like those guys bigger than me tuck in those t-shirts, damn straight. I did. Anyways. So here's what I was going to say, there's no one who would rather see a revitalised at universal monsters more than me. And no one who would like to see at less than the descendants of the monster actors themselves who make nothing off these movies. That's not true. They make a little bit thanks to the court battle. They had a few years ago. But anyway, so. But they are doing they're doing. I'm my own worst enemy like Jekyll and Hyde. The. Doing it like so weirdly trying to make them into like actiony, they're trying to make them into superhero movies, and the idea that what the monsters are now going to team up and be a team that fights other monsters like whereas in the old, universal monster crossover movies. They were just a bunch of monsters that Audie eight people, and it would be like the only good one was the Wolfman because he was always trying to get cured. But he never could. But why would you try to start? Of all monster. Is there a less dynamic monster? Then the mummy and the mo-. There's a lot of mom heads out there. Let me just say this short. They tried it. I with Dracula. It didn't work. Of course. They did. Dracula is the diamond in the crown in that he's sexy. Universal monsters are not. Frankenstein, dude. Mummy. What are you thinking? Here's the hierarchy of universal monsters Reich, ULA up top two reasons. Sexy has a middle. He was in the Olympics. Number two, Frankenstein those without saying non chew Baca. The team exactly is the chew Bach of universal monsters sympathetic, even though he rips the arms off of people as seen in son of Frankenstein. Anyway. Number three. Guessed it Wolfman. I'll tell you why everyone can relate to them. Everyone goes through time in their life when they have too much air. So. I mean, you're still in that time, and I will be forever. Unfortunately, it's a curse that we pass on from generation to generation family. You put the mummy above Gilman. No. I don't I'll tell you why you'll man design or just so beautiful women wanna have sex with it. It's exc- to there was movie about it won best picture. Del Toro is rebooting. Universal monsters so much better than universal is right now I wanted to keep doing off rand universal monster movies where women have sex with these monsters. Okay, next. We don't have time to pass you think on the same mummy. No metal Luna mutant from this island or come on we sympathize with them because he can't tie shoes because he has pincers for hands. And his brain is exposed he's very vulnerable. He's the emo- monster. All right, then finally mummy. Okay. You don't want. You put him last because he's all wrapped up in himself. Okay. Okay. My final judgment is bad bed. Stewart. All right. No, this was a bad movie. Yeah. There was just so many flashbacks what's up with that. While the flashbacks. You know, something about the mommy makes us miss Aljic. Was the movie that thought we couldn't understand the concept of EUPOL mummy comes back into it has evil mummy like comes back to his hometown. Nice go reunion, and he's like I should show up or she. It's a woman in the I should show them. Whatever -ccomplish twenty years nothing. I live at the same tomb with the same scarabs fame wrappings same old wrappings and they're like mummy. We're really the B M O C big mummy on campus. 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Those types of our movies are more at your speed. I like the vampire movies are black and white. And he's Dracula. I like a movie where woman vampire, Seuss other woman. I'm not judging you buy what you like what I like a little ghost. Anyway. Thank you. Yeah. Ribbon. Open mic night. For those at home. A man took the microphone off the stands. Feet of string. Run across the stage. So. That. On last name withheld. I was listening the podcast today as walking my dog around lake at all and pander to your own hometown. Cantering? And it was listening to episode seventy seven skyline island. Oh, yeah. That's a movie, and you guys mentioned chilly. Because much in. There was a more instinct MU going on in the background. It was not our main. You guys think of any other movies where there is a more interesting movie going on that is not. The movie that the may the folks on the main burger there that isn't setting or the background not the plot. Exactly. I mean, this is not to disparage the movie it appears in in monkeys. They make about the vertigo and vertigos header. Which say not a bad movie. Well, okay, them support and overdrawn at the memory Bank. When Casablanca starts playing. You get whiplash from the Gulf between those do film. Like pretty much every comedy as like a less. Interesting lead forty characters. This is like a cop out answer because I'm not getting specific about anything. But I feel like they make they're like, oh this appointing just can be funny. I wanna know what Judy careers. Two. Word came up. This words Stewart's preconditions at game over and I was like computer you. You. Hetty computer dance computers. The Samantha us Stewart you have an answer or do you wanna pass? For me. It's where he where Michael vestments? Clutch. Wow. I don't know if that quiting answers it, but that's the best. I can. Thank you very much. Bigger shouldn't Simpson earlier. Thanks, dan. Eating Senate earlier Dan would be like I forgot to look for these. I have someone in our original rocket crocodile t shirts. Collector's item tristen last thing withheld. There's a scene in the movie in the rural Anglican church where the Princess eminent makes it very clear that like she likes Tom Cruise's body. Yes, she's running all over it. Yeah. She actually like checks his teeth like a horse, and I mean. Put sit in that Bonnie that good since apparently also wants to eat ice cream foods again like I was set going to enjoy a corncob good teeth. So my question is. If you had to pick an actor to be the vessel for an ancient God which actor in which God. I mean, I'd say Mets Mickelson, but any God would be lucky to get into that vessel. But I guess you know, what the Festus is at a pretty hard time of it deserves a good Bod. Now. Don't you wanna put a fastest in asthma? Match Michelson like sweating over word of amazing. I think it'd be funny just for the larvae of it. But unlike mine, which was very serious proposition Festus meds get in touch with me. But for steeper shimmy. Don't with that. Not a different Hemsworth, brother. No. I'm blanking. I would say I would put our all knowing lightning booking. Booking? Just because he's like almost one. Now do me. I'm a summer rain Dumi. I'm shower of gold put it in Dan, McCoy's body. I guess technically. Well. Thing is Stuart an IRA snatchers. A low budget comedy. Release. Yeah. Moving that has been released look for that on I guess, probably screaming. Flowing. Question next question. Aaron last name withheld. Out the dark universe has been successfully. I think it's time to move onto other platform of the rate musical writers. What kind of dark universe youthful? Oh boy. Here's the thing. Young Frankenstein was on Broadway. Didn't really do Frank music. I wanted them to. Too many jokes. So here's what I wanna do. And it'll be real serious real dark. But I want to open it up to the great mom. L like regular Tweety Todd of someone from into the woods. I don't know. Aaron burr. Who's the bad guy in rent, the landlord? I guess. And I guess the head of the Russians and fiddler on the roof. And I guess throw them the mommy in their bed guy in ranch is the idea of having to pay for something. Oh, so it's libertarian thing. So anyway, I trying to get me to sing a song. And I want to so badly that I can see how mad it would make damn. Tell you what I'm gonna work on it. Send the letter in the plop house. Remind me. Two. David last name withheld. Uh so dark universe being dead. Tom Cruise b. Pool because he hasn't done that since. And not since Super Mario brothers. Series is gonna continue on man that was cheese. So what is the what is the setup for sequel? That's never happened. Well, I mean Raimo Williams the adventure begin the adventure. Never continued. Just sort of stopped began and then like immediately stopped like a second later looking at me like I had something to do. Also banzai versus the world crime league never came about. I mean, I'm I'm genuinely disappointed they weren't able Arter. I liked the first one a lot. I know it didn't make money, okay? Chill out. But no, I thought it was fun. A lot of work time Taylor kits. You know, I think these the right role. Obviously gambit right gambit everyone's favorite character gambling. Channing Tatum was going to be halo. He played gambit in that terrible. We watch for the show that we do. The movie that means. Worked somehow spun off dead bull. Even though deadpool's the worst character in that movie. Is he can't talk. Yes. What I'm saying is at bull. I don't know. That's what you that's your answering. No, let's see. Well, when I was a lot of rumors about a second faithful. And they kept saying that it was gonna be called what kids around the play hard. Tell me weren't telling me that overboard real errands. Just don't want them on the market. Or view if you beat Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson's punch out specific way, you'll fight a guy named rate rash. Maine. These are very regional specific ones. I guess, but I I was told there's going to be a space balls parodies helps face all three the search faith too. I'm like. And I don't know who came up with that joke somewhere in playground land. That's a funny for the name. So I was disappointed as a kid that never happened. All right. Sounds good. These. Hello, Hello, Catherine last name withheld by question comes with small gifts favorite kind because we're not from here, and we have to travel afterwards. I thought about that. Yeah. This is karate dog. Yes. Yes. Train the voice of Chevy Chase. This is a movie I've only seen the ending of. The whole fantastic. And I picked this up in a grocery store, Jon voice in this. Seal of quality. Air Dr Dolittle meets inter the dragon. Comprehend finally met. So thank you very much. Do you have a question? Also story do yes. I was curious. What are your favorite? Good. Good and good bad dog movies. Oh. Ooh. Good bad. I I remember I just vaguely remember from like being a child that on HBO. Oh, heavenly dog was on all the time. Okay. Where Chevy Chase Styve came back as a dog. And I believe had to solve wraps his own order. I don't know. There's no possible way of finding out with its been lost time. The plot of oh heavenly dog. But I like to all dogs go to heaven. Yeah. Didn't there's a dog HALE in that movie. Anyway, my favorite good good move dog. I guess it would be Umberto d the Italian realist classic about a a four man and his dog. I guess my favorite. I don't really I don't know. I know as a kid, I know it was on HBO all the time that I saw on the dog. That I don't remember it at all. So maybe that I don't know. I think let's do two more. And I'm really apologized for everyone else. Who's in malign that we were supposed to be out here? No, we don't have time. But I promise you that. If you come down afterwards while we're finding things that we will answer questions if you have good questions, but. If you have questions, we'll know. Get out of here. Sorry, sorry so much anyway. Conor last name all making and podcast ill of your movie collection over and over again and the organizing that but for the rest of you guys. What's most like is movie Bill yet or or? Not to steal or anything like that. Don't worry. No, I have a pretty good idea of what you're going to say, you know, my most prized piece. It'd be really is DVD like ready the dinosaur drawing. Which listener Michael eight arranged for me to receive. I am thankful for it everyday. And I hung up on my wall in the nice Rame. I look at it every day fires original drawing from dirty the dinosaur. I know I was excluded from this question because we've reason but. I have a couple of sign DVD's Andrew circus sign. My two towers and Terry's Jerry Jones. Terry Jones, sign my. Ryan DVD's. So those are nice thanks, and I have a promotional still. All toll free. This piece of movie art been autographed star Jonathan. And in his words on the of them Rabiya read, I ripped it off myself. Ding dongs. Last question. Okay. So stu. Last thing. I'll. Hadn't things I dream about weird people coming into the firing trying to close it behind the bar and taking alcohol. It was basically the plot of the movie mother actually was the. Actually was the plot of. Arthur segment of the Star Wars holiday. Ninety two Arthur home specials the rest of you. Also, I something for Elliot. Autos. I'll be honest. The reason that I said two more questions as I saw that this question actor had a glowing q. And I was like a cosmic of some kind of keep it very safe by chiming. I will give it to the person knows is most likely to go to. Thank you very much. Yeah. So there's a there's a Christmas. All claim ation one Christmas special call Noel, which is about. This glass blower has tear of joy when he was the glass ornament. And so no L is class. Ornamented keeps going I've got a happiness in me. This fight the facts that in the course of this this special. He gets put up in the attic year after year only comes out one so year and gets to have joy once a year. Eventually the owners of him die. Lives in a broken down decrepit house, and then finally the new owners common find him and he immediately shatters. Falls off. I mean, they try and make it a happy ending by the happiness within them then lose out, and you can finally see Jesus in the major which he had up struck of view of before. And so it's very highly religious. That's all in the bible. All right. Fumbled over the story of that. But it was just so baffling. Yeah. Mine claymation. So the only scattered memories of it. Stuff. And I just gene siskel and Robert Roger Ebert. But yeah. Yeah. Like dis with bells for heads. L songs Carol the bells, and I just remember being Jewish being like. What? Apparently, I don't it made me feel so alone in the universe. All right. So I guess that's the end of the show. Thank you all for being way, too. Big big, finish, shake vanish. We're going be at a bar the name of which I've forgotten. College. Anyone remember college? Collagen pub- pub damn, but before that we're gonna be downstairs or wherever the merchants I can't remember over that way. I didn't deal with them. I was in here making sure that the slide shows kind of works. But thank you all part of the show where it's the end of a family holiday where all the grievances. You'll never you wouldn't for my school you pay for his school. Thank you for thanks to the Neptune theatre for being so nice to us. Thanks seattle. I've been Dan McCoy, I'm willing to steal Elliott Gaylon. Thank you. Everybody. This episode of the show. That's not how I do know. Oh. Rear aggies? Take two. More. All that an unforced error. 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The Biggest Scandal in American Sports History

Sports Wars

10:35 min | 8 months ago

The Biggest Scandal in American Sports History

"Hey guys, I'm Nikki Boyer host of the daily Smile Demi skipper is on a mission so they can't use any cash. So it only can be item item. She's looking for a trade and she's bartering for something big really big listen to let's get this house on the daily smile on one plus or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Tim. Host of the new tender foot TV podcast whistle blower as a fan of both sports and true crime. It's my pleasure to bring you this incredible story. To give you more insight into the scandal that I've been chasing for eight years. Here's soprano star Michael imperiously. What is the biggest scandal in American sports history was even bigger than we saw. In two thousand, seven NBA referee Tim Donaghy was caught betting on games that he refereed. But he wasn't just putting a few pennies in his piggy bank. No. He was at the center of a multi-billion dollar scheme making big money for who else the Mafia. The NBA said it was just on just one bad apple. But according to Tim Donaghy, he wasn't the only one. This isn't a story about basketball. This is a story about money and the things powerful people will do to make certain problems. Disappear. This is whistle blower. Check out this clip from episode one if you like what you hear search whistleblower and subscribe. How do you call it foul? How does the official? Unbelievable. That's terrible saw. Referees are supposed to be invisible. You should know their names. In two thousand, seven referee stepped into the spotlight. His name was Tim Donaghy. and He pissed a lot of people off. My name is Russia Wallace I'm a sixteen year NBA veteran four-time NBA All star in two thousand, four NBA chain. I forgot the team we were playing but Not Carter Foul on me, and he was facing the table you know putting another into he's zero. Whatever right now, Donna he is way on the other side of the court and he hits me. and its shots everybody would be called. I didn't I didn't say not in argument dispute the coal. So he gave me the tech talk after ball at. My job demand is less than four feet from me. If I really wanted to hit him. So I would you talking about the ball bid of another? A tactical? Scott. Jekyll Myard who right now going bag changeup I watched the game and everything you know and so after the game everybody is gone and we're standing on the loading docks. So hit three referees walking down the ramp. I says the Dalai Joe I'm get my money back for that bullshit you. Like what I said you heard I said I'm going to get my money back for that bullshit techy cost you making it too obvious and then that's when he came at me. So we jolly back and forth back and forth dog. Oh home back there to later and be a security hit. A half an hour on a load. And saw the told that she has risk that he was cheating. Me Making it too obvious. So suspending me seven games that I'm calling one hundred million. Years, later I'm ovation. I get all. There was Joe Dumars. Out. Enjoy yourself. You know I hate to bother you on your vacation, but he's like. You were. Referee Tim Donigi headed admitted that he had illegally bet on Games Games. He himself had officiated. Tim Donaghy is a convicted felon. He's admitted that he's bet on Games. As far as we know there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that indicts other officials but are wait for this investigation to run its course because we think we have here a rogue isolated criminal. If we have a shadow of felons in our league, it'll come out. We will never be able to hide it. What if I told you? The NBA's rogue isolated referee wasn't the only one? That this is the story of the NBA doesn't want you to hear. Everybody thinks she while it's crazy I'm the crazy one or call them what I see. I'm not saying that every referee in the NBA the time when I was playing with the cheer or was was cheating me. He was one of the guys in. It was definitely more. This is the biggest scandal in NBA history. But some story about basketball. To story about money. Now. Powerful people may problems. Disappear. I'm Tim Livingston. This. Is, whistle. Blower. Episode. One. The rogue ref. I'm a writer and journalist based in La, and I've been trying to make this podcast for eight years. For reasons that will soon become clear. It's been pretty much impossible to make. The story from me starts in twenty twelve five years after what is commonly referred to as simply the NBA betting scandal. I wrote an article about disgrace referee, Tim Donaghy or Donigi depending on WHO's talking, which said in so many words. Donahue messed up. He broke the law he compromised the integrity game deserves to be a pariah. But the article also addressed the elephant in the room that everyone to that point had ignored. According to Donna he wasn't him who was fixing games. It was the NBA. Everyone who follows basketball knows that TV ratings drive the NBA. Multibillion dollar television contracts were and are the leaks primary source of revenue. and. He claimed that the League and its referees had an understanding. Donny, said, that rescues their whistles their ability to control a game to ensure marquee players and teams advance throughout the playoffs. Think about it the casual fan wasn't going to tune into the finals to see a small market team with players they've never heard of. The casual fan was going to tune into the finals to see Michael Jordan Shack copay. Article said that I believe a Lotta Donahue was saying about the NBA. As a fan, I watch those games in something. Wasn't right After the article got published again, email from Tim donaghy thanking me for writing I never expected Donna to read the article. Let alone. Thank me for writing it but after an hour googling I realized something. Nobody had ever written anything defending this guy. Mr David Stern worst situation in the forty years he's worked at the NBA. Good. He says, he thinks the betting scandal begins and ends with one referee story released today by ESPN. The magazine outlines a two year investigation which looked at a sample of forty games officiated by Dynegy and feels there is clear evidence that in fact. Was Fixing the game. Listen to. This is not something that. Is Anything other than an act of betrayal of what we know in sports is a sacred trust. The League must find a way to permanently remove the stain of Tim Donnegan. Is that I wrote my article five years after the scandal, and I couldn't find any other writers who acknowledged that Donnie? He's claims about the NBA's Netherworld. The idea that this scandal could go far deeper than one rogue Raff. Could have merit. I replied to his email and then he sent me response on Never Forget. It said thank you so much. There were twenty os in so. My kids will read it someday. My kids will read it someday. That line has always stuck with me. Reading that original article today there's something I stand by some things that may cringe. But that correspondence with Tim Don, he kicked off an eight year Odyssey. To find out what really happened. In the biggest scandal? NBA His. So what really happened? All I remember about the Tim Don Scandal is that he was a huge scumbag thinking to myself. There's no way that this is the only do doing people went back and looked at calls recognizing Oh, he did. In those really controversial Western Conference Finals Games or at least that game six for sure it became obvious would be easy for a referee to fix games. In fact that he was the only person they went after was sort of a sign that the NBA was trying to cover up a bigger problem. To get the rest of this episode, check out the whistle blower podcast feed and subscribe to get new episodes every Thursday for more info visit whistleblower pod. Dot Com thanks for listening. Hey guys I'm Nikki boyer host of the daily Smile Demis skipper is on a mission so they can't use any cash that can't take the item I trade for go salad and then Go. Buy something else. So only can be item for item she's looking for a trade and she's bartering for something big like really big and she started with one small bobby pin listen to let's get this house on the daily smile on one tree plus apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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MTTA 137: Timothy Miller

Meet the Thriller Author: Interviews with Writers of Mystery, Thriller, and Suspense Books

20:25 min | 2 months ago

MTTA 137: Timothy Miller

"You are listening to meet the thriller. Author the podcast right of your writers of mysteries. Thrillers and suspense books. I'm your host. Alan peterson and this is episode number. One hundred and thirty seven in this episode of the podcast. He'll be meeting. Timothy miller whose debut novel the strange case of eliza doolittle is sherlock holmes pastiche that merges conan. Doyle's characters with ones from. George bernard shaw's pygmalion. Tim is from louisiana and has lived all over. He's of houston los angeles san francisco norlin chicago and on italy. Where this ration- for the strange case of doolittle began. He's probably the only bartender have worked in the french quarter of new orleans. San francisco's fisherman's wharf and the navy pier chicago. I enjoyed chatting with tim about his bartending days. The thirty years in the making. That was the strange case of eliza doolittle about writing mysteries with a kind of characters like sherlock holmes and a lot more so stay tuned for the interview coming in right up if a woman. Please do go. Checkout thrilling reads dot com forward slash links. Where you'll be able to rate and review this podcast. Which is the best way to help. Other fans of mystery thriller books to find the podcast from there. You can also sign up to me. Thrilling reads newsletter to be notified about discounts and deals on grape books in the mystery thriller and crime fiction. Jonah's so check that out at threes dot com for slash a links. All right here is my interview with timothy miller. Hey hey everybody. This is a with meet the author and for this episode of the podcast. I'd like to welcome timothy miller. Who's a debut novel. Strange case of eliza doolittle was published on january nineteenth. I welcome to the podcast him. Thank you thought about your background. I please i'm not From london i'm from louisiana and Although i've traveled great deal i've lived in Houston and new orleans and chicago and la and san francisco and a little bit of time in milan. Italy spent most of my time Tending bar in all those places. Where did you tend bar in san francisco. So i live in san francisco. Fisherman's wharf news Lose pure forty-seven. Yeah okay yeah. That's a terrorist central. Oh yes well. I also worked on bourbon street for a while. So i hit the tourist trifecta on navy pier in chicago. I'll the coast to coast peers. Yes so so. The strange case of do little This that's your first novel right. Yes it is so that's kind of interesting bash of You mesh the worlds of sherlock holmes and and doolittle Tell us a little bit about that. How that all came together. And how how do you were you set to write this book. will yes. The strangest part is that. I started to write this in milan italy at the time. I was actually struggling with another sherlock holmes pastiche which eventually actually became my second novel I was teaching english in milan and had a young couple who were having trouble with english prepositions. Now i'll tell you in trouble with english prepositions because talion has about. Six prepositions in english has about one hundred and fifty so i decided to write a little story for them Leaving out the prepositions and letting them guests at them and so would you take. Your story came to mind and A story with the sherlock holmes came to buy. Because if you're going to take your story. Why not sure i call especially since italians are familiar sherlock holmes and they're familiar with the pygmalion or it's avatar musical avatar my fair lady and their Familiar also with dr jekyll and mr hyde and I had all these characters. And i think in that story actually lies. The winds up killing higgins which is something she always wanted to do anyway so it's probably a good thing but Yeah you know. It was just for fun and i had no intention of doing anything else with them. Blake does characters together and it took me a long time to realize why chosen those characters and what they had in common and what they might say about the difference between the nineteenth century the twentieth century between the victorian era and the awardee and era which and era has been my favorite ever since i was six years old and red wind in the willows. The seer well versed in that world. Because i was gonna ask about that. Like how much research did you have to do. But you've been interested in that period for a long time yes always been fascinated with it And then Know read people. Like g k chesterton redubbed jeeves books which are also set in that time period and Which brewster actually has a little cameo in this novel although he's not named such because he's still in the still not in the public domain. Yes so i felt comfortable with the period of i still had to do a great deal a research. I felt comfortable with the victorian period. Because i love dickens from the start. I i love his vibrancy. In the way he brings everything to life There's no such thing as an inanimate object conditions and so what i what is the plot of the strange case if you walk us through the through with the books about okay Well if you're familiar with pygmalion or My fair lady. You know that. henry higgins has taken a girl of the streets allies do little lynn and the uh has met his friend up pickering that he can Change it from a girl in the streets. Go the streets to princess Basically just by changing the way she speaks but in my version once. That's all done pickering. Get suspicious and believes that Eliza doolittle is knowledge allies do little that perhaps She's been substituted for another person. Perhaps even been done away with And he goes to his old friend. dr john watson who goes to his old friend sherlock holmes who's retired but comes out of retirement for this and They go undercover in higgins household Sherlock plays a An american gangster. Who's looking for english. Lessons and watson Comes as a secretary. They began to unravel the whole story. which includes ministers from almost every side including a german official Who wants elisa for his own or for his master So then they run into elisas doctor who is very strange character and has apparently Got the ability to make her Fire or a kitten Whichever She drug user. They find it She's got to a strange connection to a fellow called hide. so basically. that's that's the setup. I'm not sure how far i should take. You wanna do too many spoilers. But that's that's incredible. You've messed all these different worlds into one to one Mystery of how. I'm going to curious about your writing process. How did the how did you pull it together. Did you have to outline everything or did he. Just the right from the seat of your pants. I mean i do some outlining. But the way i really right. Eight is a listen to conversations. It's like i'm in a crowded room. Maybe this is from. My background is a bartender and i listen in on conversations and You know. I only get a little bit of the conversation at first and then i move a little closer and you get a little more and basically i mark the story out in important conversations and then i go back and start to fill in the action actually after that that's really always been my method and at the same time i started to look at things you know when looking at a room and i looked closer and i looked closer because all writing is rewriting and So in each pass. I'm looking closer and finding more detail and finding out more about two characters as they talk. That's really my method and says it's fascinating because you say you started. You started this as for fun when you were in italy so helen says when you first writing about this for fun for today was published last Last week or so when how long a period is that been for. You hate to say it thirty years. Oh a credible. That's so cool. That's in your head this whole time. Really on and off. I would imagine yes i mean i was doing a lot of other writing in between but i always Intended to come back to that and did you always be a writer. Even when like when you're working as a bartender or do we always wanted to become a writer. I wanted to become a writer from the day. I was six years old. Basically from what i learned to print. I wanted to be a writer. I mean When i got out of school at When i was six. I started my first novel. I only got about ten pages into it and It wasn't the most exciting thing it was about My little toy monsters in the remember The big finish was we're having a picnic but To me it's it's like breathing you know when you a fan of mysteries and thrillers as a reader. Like when you're growing up Reading this type books. Not really. I mean i was. I was interested in ansi drew because nancy drew sexy but I wasn't interested in sherlock holmes. For instance I finally read sherlock holmes when i was living in houston with a friend and it was rainy weekend and didn't have any books around but he had The complete sherlock calls. And so i said okay. I'll go to try. And by the end of the weekend. I had finished a complete sherlock holmes and Still had to be drawn and quartered into mysteries with agatha christie in pd. james g k chesterton and Now i read a great deal of mysteries but Really i was more interested in fantasy and magical realism which there's a little touch of matra magical realism. I think in everything. i do. Part of a series or is this a standalone book. it's a standalone but My next book is a is a sherlock holmes pastiche which is actually set in eighteen. Ninety it said earlier. And the one that i'm working on now is the sherlock holmes pastiche Set of nineteen twenty three and and with a typical day for you when you're actually when you have a project going. Do you like right every day. Or how does that curious how that works out. Usually right every day. Unless i come up against An important point that i needed to ruin research on. In which case i'll hit the books are hit the internet and just work my way through until i finally find what i'm looking for but i work at work mainly late at night and Basically once i get to about the third draft than i'm hopping out of bed every ten managed to because some new ideas hit So that's that's my non sleep Draft not draft like that and it just curious what about the. What program do you see. Write your book. You just use microsoft word. I use word because it's the standard I still mourn the loss of wordperfect. I remember what perfect area that blue screen. Yeah and i use pages for For my notes but go ahead. Yeah i was curious with the crazy year that we've had has a pandemic changed your writing process at all or or will you have to realize that before the pandemic i was in the hospital for six months as a matter of fact. This book actually saved my life. Oh because i had a stroke. And i had gotten the contract for this book but i hadn't signed it and The stroke was so bad at the time. Although i'm fine now let me cut to the chase. They're that they were considering pulling the plug but My sister learned about the book. And she said you know she was not Going to pull the plug. As long as i hadn't signed the contract so i wouldn't be dead today without his book. Oh my goodness so really you know. After six months of that and then they come right out and then cohen starts up. I've been in a lot longer than anyone else. So i'm used to it. Yeah well kim. I'm glad you're doing well. And then they recovered by law. That's crazy to that. They hadn't signed either. I can imagine you're like give me that pen that says you can. yes well. That was what my sister said. As soon as you raise pam you sign well. That's kind of like a other. You probably you so excited you get a contract to get published and then something terrible like that happens. But i'm glad it worked out for you. Luckily my editor the sole patients Wow what was that process like now. So you you you. You have the contract for the second book. Ness you right in that now. Okay no. i've written the second book. Actually i've gotten the the contract for. But i read it and send it off in Haven't seen the first day of this yet but got it I'm working on the third book now. Okay and So do you still find time to read. Then you still a fan of reading books. Oh yes i love to read. What are you reading now. Got curious look good books to read. I'm reading ain't actually for research. I'm reading the crimes of paris which is fascinating reading a book by lyndsay faye who i don't know if you've read any lyndsay faye with her She is a phenomenal writer and I've written I've read three books. Now although i have avoided her books on sherlock calms. Because i'm a. I'm a sponge and i'm afraid of being affected by her books. Leave aside. yeah that's that's fascinating I find that those general fascinating. Because there's a lot of jane austen type books and even like those a few years ago. When other abraham lincoln vampire type books such interesting ways of the meshing these different genres and character. I kind of characters is kinda cool. Yes i mean. I think it's i think it's fun It's it's kind of like playing the would've puzzle writing the lyrics to a song. You really got to to fit everything together. And at the same time you know you've got to fit it into the time period. I mean there are several Characters in my book that were real characters and i had to find them And find out all about them at the same time that i was Deepen these fictional characters and so. I always like to ask my guests. Because i have a listening to this. Podcast are aspiring writers. The advice you would have an aspiring writer out there. Yes right every day. It doesn't matter what you're writing if you can only think of your own name right right again. Eventually you'll get bored and he'll start writing some other things. Don't worry about whether it's good or bad. You're proving muscle you're working a muscle just like if you're riding a bike You do that and you will inevitably get better and now once you have an idea finished the idea. Do not find yourself with six or seven. Different unfinished ideas go through the whole process. Yeah that's great. That's great advice because that was for years for be to just like half a ten thousand words here. Eight thousand year doubt about jump. The next project never finish anything. I've been through that too and so working the listeners. Finding do you have a website. Or i do call strange cases of sherlock and You can find me on twitter if you really want to. The strange case of alleged doolittle's published jenner nineteenth. So it's out now. Go check that out. And i wanna thank tim. For being on the podcast. Nice much. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening. To meet the third or author podcast be sure to visit through authors dot com. Join the conversation access. The show notes and discover great thrilling. Read if he'd rather podcast left for you to subscribe rate and give a review to it wherever it is that. You're listening to this podcast to apple. Podcasts google podcasts. Stitcher to dan spotify. However it is at your i listen to this right now. I would appreciate it and please to check out my own filler novels over worksite. At alan peterson dot com until next time.

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339: Jamstack, 3D on the Web, Migrating Your Site, and MarkoJS

ShopTalk

59:20 min | 2 years ago

339: Jamstack, 3D on the Web, Migrating Your Site, and MarkoJS

"The. There. Chiappa maniacs. You listen to another episode. Shop checks show holiday podcasts about fun things getting holiday. Yeah. Yeah. Are you cold, you know, which is it's cool. I'm coming to terms with it. Yeah. That's pretty normal. Yeah. Hey. Remember remember back in the day when it was just you, and I and we would talk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Again. I guess I mean, we we could call it a rapid fire. We kind of I don't think we've retired that word necessarily. But we started just kind of naming episodes more about like what the content is inside him and stuff. So let's just do a regular old show. Dave about that. I have a few things written down this. You know, sometimes ties just to talk about what's going on in the industry and stuff. It was not too long ago. I came back from jam stack cots that was pretty cool. Tell me about jam stat com. Did you get did y'all? I don't know jam out some static sites or. Well, that's what's there is. I do have a million things to say about. I don't think we'll have we we could do a whole jam stack show series of them. I'm sure, but the conference was fun as put on by netla fi, which you know, I'm sure we're all aware of not a sponsor of this particular show. But they've sponsored us in the in the past. And there, you know. A web host that like will run your build process and stuff in Israel is all CD end up. And there's a million things to talk about with if I, but it really does if you're gonna have a static site generated site, it works pretty darn well with that because it will it'll run your static site generator for you kind of you know, you worked up, and then you push it up and say, hey, run this command when you deploy and do that. And it kinda it works well with the jam stack. So if you if you're if you just totally unfamiliar like why Chris day keep saying jams Dak it's just this is I guess, it's an acronym. Java script API's markup that nullify kind of invented there. And it's just kind of like, okay. An index dot h to file comes down in. That's it. There's no, you know, it's not running PHP or python ruby or anything in which that like when that page is requested server side code is exit. Cuting, and it might connect to a database in like do stuff on the back end, and then produce HTML document, and then come to your rouser that document is flat. It's just flat cashed HTML in it. So it loads superfast back in sites can be fast too. But you know, there's no there's nothing complicated. Happing here. It can be due process in not a certain single like logic server not that goal is bent nothing yet in its CD end out. Great. And then if anything else dynamic happens because it doesn't that doesn't mean that nothing. Interesting can happen after loads, you know, it's not like you can't have interactivity and data loaded from elsewhere in the world and all that fancy stuff. It could be a single page app. You could have a fancy all react up that then hits API for data and populates itself. And does things that way, you know? So I find it funny. How like? You think we think of like sometimes single pay Japs in this like fancy modern Java script architecture as being like, the, you know, the cutting edge of how sites are built. But at the same time, there's a resurgence of static site generation to which is kind of like returned really old school site development, where you just it's just about Jj Djamil CSS job script files. If if Java script at all, but how closely they live together. It's like the old the new are like sitting, right? Besides each other at an end complementing each other. And then there's this interesting hybrid of creating elect largely static site generated site, but then when static site generation starts becoming impractical. Like, you have a ecommerce site with ten thousand products in your Jekyll build takes an hour, or whatever it is. You don't have to do it that way. You can step excite generate sixty percent of the site and then have slash product which has like some query parameters that hits an API for. The data that isn't a cloud database somewhere. You know, you can kind of be half-and-half, which is so cool. Yeah. I would I I mean, maybe they got into this. But I would just love to see like a I don't know like a blog post in architecture blockbusters kinda hard because they're so specific to some implementation type of site. But like, I don't know I'm thinking like I built a big dumb like ecommerce site as a static website like, you know, ten thousand products or something urban outfitters right now a static site or something like that would be like. Oh, no. That would just be like, so interesting. I don't know if it's been done or I don't know like what the scale is. Because in my mind, always like oh status. I that's small that small that's for small. But like you're saying, it doesn't have to be like, you know, you can just. There was a part of the keynote was very interesting, and how you can you don't have to stop your current server side architecture in which to dabble your feet in this which is fascinating because you know, some of the best technologies out there are ones that allow for incremental adoption as they say, you know, I think in a way that's you could attribute some of the success of react to that is that you don't necessarily have to go all in on all your entire architecture to use some react in your app now. Whether that's true for your app, or what I think it's generally true industry-wide in so part of this demo was that. Specifically has this kind of proxy feature on a URL by URL basis. Meaning that you could spin up unedifying sight and say like this particular URL is going to is going to be statically served through Netflix lab, none of the rest of it is or something. Yes. You can be like, okay. I see like if I wanna run part of my app, or you know, some sub directory of eyesight kind of static hosted style you can't. And then proxy the rest of it to wherever it's the rest of it is being served already. So you could dip your does. Yeah. No. That'd be just curious like how far people have pushed it, you know. But that's it. There's also, you know, even in the static site world. A lot is kind of changed. I mean, I still use Jekyll. I love Jekyll IVA weird like partisan point of view and Jekyll, but you know, like. Zac, leathermans eleven apparently is like all the same features as Jekyll in like, you can even bring your own tempting language, and it eleven d just spits out websites. And I'm like well. I mean, those seem like no you notice more appealing to me than ruby for whatever is kinda who cares because it's just static. You know, like, what is a matter. Really? But I feel like if I had to hack on it. I could I'd be more useful. And I guess you're kind of a ruby assed anyways, comfortable hacking either way. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I I'm also in the like try not to hack core camp. Don't act clo- you're doing what are we kids? I don't have time for that. Anyway, the, you know, another interesting thing is this idea of content full was there have you seen them? Also, not a sponsor like a, and that's like kind of like a gooey in CMS. That's cloud on purpose. There's no you I for it. It's totally you eyeless CMS. It's just nice API's for read and write and you know, sanity is sponsored the show. They're like a spin up your own CMS. But we have no opinion about your front end. We'll just we'll just host your data and be API's for your back in and you know, you can do headless WordPress, and you know, graph Kjell so big that you can put in front of anything, and there's all these like ways to give the back end some freedom to like, I think there's there's a lot of freedom happening. Here is freedom in the front end. I want to build the site. However, I wanna build it, which is probably one of two ways static sites. Generated or SPA style. Whatever that is. And that's freeing up the back into being like, well, I'm just going to pick a CMS that's kind of friendly to that idea, then, but you can imagine. So okay. Let's say you pick content Fuller's avenue one of these there's there's way more, you know, fawn has just straight up database, whatever there's you pick one. And then you're like, well, okay. That leads me down this PA route. I think because then, you know, spin up my react up, and it's got a hit any PI. And then when that when that data comes down, then I can start rendering what's going on. That's true. And that's totally away that you can build that up. But there are so many other ways there's kind of like knock stir next way in which that that can be hitting those API's for you instead and server side rendering them, which is fascinating or even eleven thirty could during its built process can hit those API's in statically build pages based on that too. It's just all it's all intertwined. Even like pre commit hook us just say like, fetch Fitch Fitch and get data. You know, I like those next next. And, but they do, you know, I think they kind of buy in right to quite a bit of architecture haven't I admit I haven't gone down that road. Yeah. It seems like it'd be hard to leave. If you did it in next just just dish made a big announcement about next to or something. So I need to look into that. But I all service or something. So does look cool looks like he cloud function stuff out of it. And that they use this term called mono repo, which I mean, I guess it is what it is. But it looks interesting in that you could have like your node stack stuff in there. But then in their demos, they just tell a random PHP file sitting there and that'll execute too. Okay. Okay. Cool. Great. Oh, the evil things. I can do. I got so much image. Magic dark black image sitting in a PHP file like a that. I was reading on cloudflare's bog blog where they're like. Oh, yeah. You think cloud functions are cool. We have this totally new architecture that is light cloud functions except for that. They don't need to run in a container in containers have all this overhead. You know, you know, containers, spinning up a whole little computer just to run some functions the idea being that you will you need a computer to do some stuff. You know, you gotta run note or whatever. But also that they offer security you can't break out of do anything nefarious on the larger server, that's kind of the whole point. So each like each function is its own process thread, right? I mean, that's the point of point of containers period. But that's what cloud functions do is. They spin up really little fast containers, and cloud versus we can do this without containers. There's this. Pre spun you just have to. Yeah. Okay. It's wild the they use some part of like the V eight engine or whatever. And there's something built into that that allows some like super they're called isolates or something. And I hate to be you know, like, we're delivering the news some idiots that don't know what they're talking about. But I read the blog post. So I made it that far. But the ideas you can execute JavaScript. That's that's isolated from other Java script. So it can't like mutate data outside of it or nothing else can come in. So it's like the spirit of a container. But without having a spin up an entire computer to do it. And thus it's, you know, four times faster, whatever it's credible. When if it's just the same technology that powers browser tabs is you know, you spin up another. That's what it says. It says that this was basically developed by Google Chrome team. Wow. Well, I'm ready for that next way. Things are getting weird. And here, we are, you know, but like we talk about this future stuff. But and also, you know, if you got some, you know, I also work on WordPress websites. I spent all weekend hacking away, a WordPress website, I work on by rails app and rails is like really well suited for code pen. In that we have all these permission models that we have to do all that stuff works. Great. I'm not necessarily looking to JEM stack up code pen in that, you know, are you, but we already do dabble in service functions. And we run containers for things, and like all this stuff is it's just a big ecosystem of stuff, and you get to like, here's my website. It's a little bucket, and I'll fill my bucket with little technologies that I'm gonna use, you know. That's what it's that's what it's actually like, you know, like, I know you're itching to hear some story of gem stack in you know, how Sephora is now fall gems to Anderson. Yeah. That would be cool to read. But like the real Sephora is probably like a bucket. That's piece together full all kinds of different crap. Yeah. It's on magenta because of the shipping rules stories probably that right, right? Like like, you know gets down to that. So. Well, cool that sounds fun. Sorry. That was a lot. Well, cool on my end just working in my wife, tore her ACL. And so I've been max parenting for a couple of months crutches time forever. She's been now had surgery so better now. But but that's just a that's dominated probably all my. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, you know, hey, there you go. That's a that's my life a little less overwatch overwatch. Yeah. I go to bed at nine some days. Just like I'm tired now. Go to bed nine each. I did I did I did have like overhaul. I overhauled my whole rig. Basically, I have like two displays display arms ended up buying a new motherboard cooler graphics card for my computer. Like, I just I just was like, well, I'm just gonna fix things. But my really as computer was caused pro more problems. I think knew about my computer problems. It would just shut down in podcasts or Skype calls or whatever it happen that much on this show. But you know, I I am aware that did happen to you. We are had good luck. It seemed to happen like right before right before which is convenient for my computer. But I think I don't you know, what's weird is you build your own, computer. And you are now the person who has to fix it. It's like if you built your own car or something it's like all the problems are your problems. There may be a shop you can take to. But they'll be like never seen this kind of car. It looks like you built it yourself in. So I, but I ended up ordering I think in new motherboard and processor. I think something happened in I either shorted or fried my old one in it was having problems. And I don't know. I I wanna send it to like a youtuber and be like do like CSI on this until me what happened. But that would be amazing to see us I and for instantly. Tell me what happened is motherboard because I think it was the problem. So, but it's all fixed now and even better than before, you know, no problem money can't solve Chris. Shop talk book that it and it'll fix it. So you'd think so, but it has like existential bothers me when there are problems that money can't buy not the L. It's comforting to know that like if I had on the air was willing to spend the money that there would be some solution to this problem. Sometimes there's just not, you know, there's just no contractor in this town where you can trust to do a bathroom. There's just nobody. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And I think for me like like, I eventually was like I'm just going to have to buy my way out of this problem. I mean it when it's crashing during work calls like I need to find a solution. So that becomes like a business expense, obviously, even though it's fun gaming, computer too. But I like I for me, I think I've realized with technology or we probably talked about on the show, you know, people with macbook pros that are like two s key quips working or whatever or. The touch bark was working or whatever. Like, I it feels very you feel very powerless when when you don't know when it's gonna get better. You're on your your like third motherboard or third MAC book, and it's still not working in. You're just like, I don't know. What's wrong? I'm I'm smart person. You feel empowered because you can swap out parts. Well, yeah, I can swap out parts, and you know, that that's cool. But yeah, like, I just know that feeling is like where you're just like, I don't, you know, I need this thing to do my job. And I can't do my job like or if I get a new one very expensive new one. I it I still might not be able to my job. And that's always like frustrating, and that's not I'm not trying to MAC versus PC. Because obviously, my PC was falling down during slack calls. But like just it's frustrating. I that feeling is very frustrating. So I'm it's so I mean, I'm I take all kinds of crazy measures to to prevent that kind of. Thing because I can't have I can't I can't even read it at twenty four hour period where I just could do no work. I can't like them just too busy for that type of downtime. The oh, not to be all of the most important guy ever. But still it just it would stress me out. My it's more about my personality than my station in life. You know, I used to pay I don't I don't do this anymore because we have this fancy business internet, but I used to pay two different internet companies to deliver internet's like. Delek up. Yeah. Yeah. What I worked from home. And then that was a long time ago. So I don't necessarily recommend that. But I are ordered. I can just kind of smell this laptop is having problems and stuff and last week. I just ordered another one just to like just be just in case, I might return it because it's being kind of cool now, but I can't especially out here in bend. I can't just run to the store. Yeah. The first thing. I I know that feeling I I'm I bought like a a have this thing. It's like a crank wheel that hasn't eastern cable in it. And I ran it from my living room to my computer. Just so I'd have wifi or hard wired Ethernet for this call four shop talk in in gaming, but I I'm going to hard wire in for chop talks now. So that it's better. I'm all hired wired all the time at we. She should see this office. Forget, you know, the craft CMS fell is Brad like wired he like hand either. Netted the office, we have a huge rack with his monster router in it, you know, it's just one of those arbitrary pieces of technology where it's like mounted to the ceiling, and you just look at it. And you're like, I don't know what happens in that box. But it's bad ass. Yeah. The which just basically runs Ethernet cables to our whole office. Even now, I'm flooding. I got I got hard core Ethernet here in the booth booth. Awesome. This wired. That's sweet I that's why. Love that yet just for reduce reduce possible problems. Love that. This upset of shop talk show is brought to you by jetpack. You know, the WordPress? Plug in that does all kinds of stuff for yourself hosted WordPress site, I use it every single cell pho- sted WordPress site, I have because I just love the feature set one of the feature set things that's pretty cool as you just flip it on. 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I have a personal project where he want to design and build a Fiqh AI chip that will either move on scroll or the user can move it a few years back. I remember web jail being a good library for this. Is this still the case? Or is there even more efficient way using three d on the web? So I guess he has like a three D model. He wants to embed on a webpage. Does that sound kind of like the? Yeah. Well, that's that's clutches that he wants to design and build it. This isn't just like, oh, my client sells bicycles, and I wanna. To have a three D model of the bicycle like, this is something that Morgan is designing which makes me think of a frame because I'm like, well, that's like a chip seems like a combination of a bunch of rectangles and stuff which a frame is like super good having an API two draws and. Yeah, I mean frames can do like the embedded like seen Nick home scenes like three these, and you can move it around and stuff like that. You get w ASD keys for like walking around to Abraham is great for that in. And then it goes up until like full screen, you know. Virtual reality like on your desktop and then go put in a head mounted display or cardboard news three the motion choices that are. That's maybe like over if like you're just trying to use as designer element that might be super overkill, but you can like create a an object like render three d to a canvas like a campus element using something like regia s to like if you just wanna like like the metal is web GL like that's like the man, I'm computer science man on the web GL like that. That's the the lowest form, but then the abstraction above that is three jazz which allows you to just be like get this model that I designed in blender or whatever software three d modeling software cinema or whatever like, I designed this model using this model, or my I guess would be it. But like us this Ma. Title. And then like just spit it out with this texture or this material in so that's like with three and then a frame is a web component based abstraction around that. So you type out HTML instead of like programming Java script, you type out HTML to render elements on page. And so you're like if you think of like position absolute you have a x coordinate like top in the left or whatever XM. Why? In in a frame, you have a position attribute with an exit a wine sie position. So you say like, I don't know x zero you don't wanna you wanna in the centre from the camera. Why one one meter basically you want at one meter up off the ground, and then Z negative ten. You want at ten meters away from you. And so it's it's a cool way to program three d scenes. I I really love it. And I just read in this is probably a couple of weeks old now, but from this show, but they figured out a way to make it very much faster like two x faster so eight frames like going to be smoking. And so that's kind of very cool for a frame because it was kind of you know, sort of your, you know, like Oculus and all that they have like they control the hardware. They're not trying to run in a web browser. So it's very. But they figured out how to make a frame very fast like reducing the number of calls and garbage collections and stuff. So anyway, I hope that makes sense the thing the limitation here is you can't just have three D thing with like a transparent background because that's not how canvas works campus has to have a background color. Right. Like a like a black or white or something or blue? Or what really didn't know that? You can't I think canvas needs a background. But I wonder could you use something like background blend mode like Pugh to maybe. Oh, yeah. To get rid of it or whatever or wonder if like if you go into weird or doesn't fire FOX have that like MAs element or MAs. Where you can make the background some other Dom. That'd be cool. That'd be weird here. You know? Anyway, I know Devon co has the course three D for designers. And I was like, oh, this looks you know, this is about cinema four D. But I was like, oh, I wonder if you can use this on the web, but you're kind of saying, well, that's cool. You know, like like you could you could learn cinema four D Bill. Your thing there, then three jazz library that will help you get it over to the web. So yeah. Like, I think if you like our if you've done three four designers. I think like there's there's ways you can maybe start taking some of these modeling some of these shadings and start pulling them. Into the web. So you know, if you. That'd be a good blog post for somebody. If you wanted to write that, I think I I don't know there's rumors apple is gonna make like a a our thing. Right. Like virtual reality thing. And even in their last ipad event. Did you see all the artwork that came with that? It was just these beautiful like apple logos. But they are all kind of like really rendered early out of them were in there. Really beautiful. Anyway. So there's kind of like a. Everybody's dipping their toes in the street. Yeah. Three the has the potential to be pretty I don't know. Like, I dunno added depth element of depth, which I think is what the Morgan's kinda asking about. But it can add a depth since the depth that, you know, the current flat web design doesn't offer. So. Good luck. Morgan. What's your what else? Should we talk about here? Here's a one from Steve Pollino here. I need to redevelop an existing site. So I might like I need to like go from WordPress. And I'm gonna move it to drubel or something. So usually just export the data CSV import the data into the new platform. That's amazing. If that's if you've ever had any success at all with that. But yeah. That's easy. Yeah. Well, I mean, it maybe it is maybe they have really good tools for that particular moving, you know, this works well for sites that are mostly static. But I'm curious to know how one would migrate more dynamic site. So he's then he asked me about code pen like since the database is always growing, which it is right now, there's you know, hundreds of database connections right now. Cobham people building things saving things. It's very, you know, we can't just stop to migrate something. Yeah. So code word or move from rails to node. How would you do this? Well, first of all, that's interesting. That's not just because we would move from rails to note, or or something, you know, it doesn't mean that the database would have to move, you know? Like, we use sequel. So like node can use sequel to you know, think the more question here is like what if we needed to change the database like we're gonna move from us Q L to post Gress or something. What would you do in that situation? Because I think what Steve is asking. What do you do during the migration? Do you shut down the side do create some kind of API that you know, can digest it, whatever. Like, did you do page redirects if it's a different platform? You know, he's just he's just curious about something. Like this like, how do you like port day large production site over to new architecture, new databases, and that kind of thing. Good question know, this is a very top of mind for me. I I've been like working on a legacy Java application, you know, and we'd like to kinda you know, kinda modernize it a little bit. And you know, you get into that new just like what you know. How how do we how do we improve data? You know, like like right now to like update data for my Devon Marmon. Like, you know, curl, some XML and stuff like that. And that's no good. So the strategy. We're looking at I think is is kinda creating like fortifying the existing API. But really building that out, you know, and you basically write a spec for the PI, right? Like like, this, you know, you can tests, but like I'm gonna curl this euro the euro, and I expect these fields to come back in. Exactly. So you have a test and then. You know, some years is kind of what we're looking at. But like years down the line. We might be like okay now that are like now. Now, the friend can just hit the API, and we don't have to worry. And then and then gives you freedom that your your content management system. Whatever that system, you know, rails drubel WordPress, you know, whatever that's written, and you can actually hot swap is long agrees to that original contract of like, it expects these fields to come back. But you know, like WordPress drubel, they're very big kind of control your database, right? Like, they sorted name, the tables and everything for WordPress goes into WP posts said rile. You can't just be like, I'm going to use WordPress. Amis mongo instead. Yeah. It's just not happening. So you know, how you know? I think you have to build that layer to where the user can go from a, you know, system aid to system b. Pretty quickly. But I think you're gonna have to kinda like be like okay system. Be we need to the new system system. Be we need to like populate it with some data and make sure return to the same data agrees to new contract. But then you may need to like for a little bit, right? Data to both places, you know, just to make sure it's it's like a gets. That's another part of this equation that I was going to mention that's exactly right. Is that if you know that you need to switch over in? It's a totally different database API at like Dave said like there's gotta be some abstraction level there in the middle to. So you're not you know, it's not like actually writing SQL queries. Like, the rails version of this is active record, and that's already kind of an abstraction away from asking for data, which is kinda cool, frankly. And then and then right like, you're going to okay. Well, it's an SQL database, but you're moving. Mongo or something than you for a while even on production. You're going to be sending data to both locations. So you have an exact copy of the data's just gets written twice. You know? Like you want those to be as close as possible. I mean, if if it, you know, I don't know if it's a hundred records, you know, what shut down the database run, the query do the migration, you know. Like like, I would well like if it's going to be fast, like, let's do the the shutdown way, you know, like where hopefully users don't notice. But if it's in the, you know, I don't know dairy enterprise skill hundreds of my dog seen the mailman apparently. But if it's in the hundreds of thousands of records millions of records, I mean, you you need probably to to do a Wendy's more serious migrations. But I would hope if you are managing millions of records. He may be have a team that at least somebody knows how to do that very well, so, but if it's in the hundreds or thousands, man. I'm maybe team show that go into maintenance mode like midnight, do a do a midnight operation. I don't know. What do you think? Sure. Yeah. I would think, but if you're not doing it that way, even after you're doing this double writings, you can move over that you even after the move your continuing to do the double writing and stuff and just in case you need to rollback in case. You have. Oh, yeah. He'll be a big job. But it can be done. You have to write out all the requirements. I like what could happen code Penn. Like or could we make it part of the marketing say, we gotta go down for three days or a week or something. But when we come back, it's gonna be great. You know, even apple does that for their store. Oh, yes. Reason they need to shut down their entire store to add a product to it, which is a little mind blowing. But. Knows what kind of architecture. They have. Yeah. I mean shoot. Yeah. Very apple it works out. Right. Like, they get a big like, oh my gosh. It's gonna happen. New thing I send money for. So that would be unacceptable for us people that pay monthly to use his service. We're just gonna shut down so our requirements as we written them would be like, okay. How can we do this in zero downtime kind of way? And we would just architect our way out of it. You know? Yeah. I mean, I don't I mean, I also think like I it's all in communication ops to right? Like, I know I play video game called overwatch, and they have downtimes all the time, you know. And so. It's just communicated. So it's never bad. It's just you know, they just make sure they communicate it. So. This. Shop talk show is brought to you in part by century that century dot co it's an error tracking app. That in my opinion is not optional your web app, you need something. 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However, I think it's relatively unknown not super supported outside of EBay been interested in creating a project. I haven't had the time. I know we get framework fatigue. But this does look really cool and his powering a pretty big platform right now. I wonder if you've heard of people using have you seen this? I have not in. Now. I'm I'm looking at it. Pretty nice. Yeah. Look at how they look at these CSS looks like inline styles are built in. But it's really bizarre. You just have the style. What what would you call that? Are you on the homepage for Marco jazz dot com? Yeah. Class. Like, you're not like a global object. You don't even have to get on even have to declare it as a constant anything, even like dial. Again. It's interesting. So it seemed these are kind of like a Marco files like view files of some kind that get parched into something. Even looks more syntax, even look some amazingly even cleaner than view some. I mean, I I'm gonna go by my. Ooh, ten ten KB visa. That's all right. Go by my standard answer here. I feel like if it looks good to you in looks intuitive. It probably is good and intuitive for you. I can't give it like the gold seal of approval, but I can say I I like what is offering. It seems like the state DEP is pretty simple. You know? And that's kind of what I'm after for like these reactive component, libraries. I'd like to see it just been the marketing, I'm going. You know, every every view doesn't react as you know. It's always the on button quick increment thing. And I know that like the standard, but I hate it. I just it's like the AB test or no sorry. It's like the the testing tutorial where it's like, you know, at one Bush to equal assert equals three, you know. It's just like that's cool. That means nothing to like my education at all. You know? I know I'm supposed to advocate -puter, scientists be able to abstract what that means or whatever. But like, I just I need to see more like I need to see when it gets bad. You know? But you know, I think it's cool. My initial reaction was like react killer role is you know, like, I've never even heard of it and like half the battles. Even if it is better. It's such an uphill battle to unseat these huge libraries anyway. Like, even better ones. It's like you just can't how good luck. You know? The developer mind chairs is hard battle to lose your. But I will admit this looks very cool. You know, another thing that worries about me is that is the it looks like you can't use it unless you have some processor thing for the types of files in. It's like, you know, how it's some libraries don't take that approach necessarily like view, you can make these nice view components that offer some sin tests and tactic niceties. You can't just use it in the browser to doesn't look like this can be used in the browser even have their own little version of pug in here looks like which is bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. You know? But if it's backed by big company like, you know. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe that helps you you know, like, you know, it's probably not disappearing next year me personally. I would maybe do some investigating on the community. That's always very important to me. You know, if you have problems, new dancers or blog posts, or whatever does that exist. You know? And then it says it's made by EBay open source. That's cool. Don't get me wrong. But does it one person that EBay in? If they quit what happens project is. That's the thing too. I would try to that out. I'm just from maintainability standpoint. But. That's the thing. I if it looks good to you. I think it's I think it's good. I don't know it probably works clicking around in here. And I'm like Tang this nice. We made a mistake. The conditional rendering is. Oh, yeah. Of course, you can't have a library like this. That's doesn't claim. It's the fastest thing in the universe. Many ops questioned question let's say it is better like quantifiable quantitatively better are you? Switching like what what does it take to for Chris Quaeda to rewrite project pin projects? Oh, I'm not gonna do that. Because there's a there's a there's a. Like like, just there's using it. And then at what scope or scale, you know, you're like let's say I was going to read like I have this. I have a little website that I haven't touched Alcott quotes on designed dot com. It's just like a little thing. I've had it forever. And I just keep it down. Equip it does. But it's a WordPress site so it hits its own API. But I already have the kind of it's it's already cut a little API. Like, I could decide to be fun to build it in put it on. Netflix fire something like leave my WordPress hosting somewhere. But also like have a static front end for it. Just to like dip my toes into that. Try Marco why not you know? That's like a scale that I could I just it on early on or make some demos in it or something, but to like buy into it at a whole like company level from massive product that were currently writing and react anyway, and like already having success and happiness with the hat like. That's gonna take a lot more persuading. You know, like what would the advantage be like I'm not going to switch 'cause I like the syntax like five percent more like that's not enough. The speed. Maybe you know, that's kind of cool. Yeah. But yeah, that's speeds. We don't really have client side ops speed. If anything is there's so much other speed battles to fight that are more significant than like, how fast your four loops are that. I don't care, you know, make well in some of it to just like the getting the product out, and then iterating on that, you know. But like if you break up everything API's nicely that gives you a lot of freedom to I like that. Like, maybe like that's a big movement almost building websites is how much freedom. Do I have to piece in different components? Like if I make a really nicely specked out API, maybe I can move. Move back ins more safely because as long as that beckoned communicates over that same API than where we know we're safe, and it's well, tested and all that and. I this is something I've been thinking about I don't know if you read that Attias money net flicks post about Nick flick making the server side react, they quit react on the marketing pages of net flicks. And they increased conversions like sorry, not conversions. But the the sped up the website fifty percent. And it only serves like a little bit of Noah, Java, scrip- and Standish, Email, and bingo, bingo, it's out and a Gatsby or their own rendered a string kind of thing. But they spit out the HTML part. And then they only use a little bit of non react like they cut react the front end two because once react like tries to mount or whatever it occupies the main threat, and, you know, tries to bundle the whole, you know, Netflix upper whatever like that's like brutal. But anyway, they made Netflix. Faster just kind of going to static site with like, very slim j s and CSS just sort of wondering like like, I I wonder if that's sort of future of like my or no future system put potentially like something that Matt manages your static content or your dynamic, blogging content. And you're like back into applic- all those are kinda contained into a system. I know they need to be different. But maybe there's like, maybe it's like some routing technology or something like that that really kind of like Taylor's itself to what you're trying to build. You know, I like you can do it now, but it's kind of hard to make like a server like spit out like one, oh and angular up for this page Marco app for that page react effort, you know, like like that's a lot of kind of work to do. I don't know. I just I just wonder if. There's like something that makes it easy to kind of have this. I don't know. Maybe I just need an internet. I think I just I don't know. I just think there's like I think like what you're saying that portability of the back end or whatever. Like, so you can experiment in these like, I think that's a big deal just flexibility. I like maybe flexibility as a feature is going to be cool. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe one day. Have you heard about what I'll? Musing one you got one. I finally had a good thing at one. I'm we're gonna see assists redesign Swe slapped one in there. That's pretty good. I think. Yeah. You got trying to think of an excuse to use Houdini to, but no, it's nice. It's kind of like a. I mostly used it as like to give myself in tactic sugar. I was like this like I see what this is and to reproduce this thing, which is a combination of it's mostly just like a a somewhat complicated chunk of SVG. That's configure -able. So was like, but what I really wanted to take a couple of attributes in some content, and then it does something with them. So I I'm just going to invent a new web component. And I'm gonna it's gonna have a handful of attributes and it's going to take the content inside the tag. And then all the magic is obstructed away into the Java script, you know, does all the takes this template and plops all the complicated template stuff in there. I don't have to see it. I don't care about it. Which is that's kind of how and why I'm using. It's very like aesthetic almost. But I like it. I like it. It's got it's a nice nice API. Does everything I needed to do and gives me a nice tag that? I can use HTML rather freely. I can see what you're coming from. It was you know, I I hate to admit that you're like longtime tirade on HTML imports has slightly lost on me. But now that I'm using this little bit is your is part of that that that I can't use like, there's no real reason. I don't need JavaScript. As thing has nothing to do with Java. Scripts. Real really doesn't none other than the stand CA shin of the of the component itself. Is there was there some world in which that I could have constructed this component through templates in such without any the use of any Jarvis. Probably not now. No, I mean, like web components at self like required. This is a long conversation. I think that's one of the faults of web components that require Java script, otherwise like if it hadn't required job script. I think like all of WordPress switched over a hundred years ago. But that's just me. I'm just saying what do I wanna say? I I think like the the dream is just that. Yeah. You can kind of like start assembling these sin tactic sugar bits and start abstracting that out, and that's a folder. That's a file called whatever SPG icon or whatever. My, you know, fancy fancy widget HTML in in. That's all that's on your server. I mean now it can be, you know, fancy widget dot GS, and that's good too. But you know, like now it's in now, it's in your job script build pipeline is not just a static. You know? It's now. Comes with a dozen other things it's not just a h file on the server. You know, I it's now a J F file in a build process. And so so that that's where I think my difference lies. So. Yeah. In this case, the whole, I guess, it's it's really mean, even the template itself is in JavaScript, which is you know, I think good and find too. I mean, I don't know there's there's been some movement there and even like either conversation with like Jake Archibald on the Twitter's, and, you know, his understanding was kind of know like web components is kind of like complex chunks like maps or something like that, you know, kinda more like beefy recyclable pieces. You know? And I just was like, oh, well, that's interesting because you know, I, you know, for code pen like a code editor or just like code MIR or something like that. Like, it's all bundled into that like like his thinking is like they're kind of more or as I understood it. So I don't want misrepresent was more for you wouldn't make like a title like a my title component that you know, had some. Inserted a bunch of random emojis all around each one tag because that's just not. That's just like not beefy enough. Right. Right. That's not like it's not complex enough thing to like justify the bootstrapping of a of the web component. So or the lazy loading or or the right now web components are all blocking if you went to the Schimmel imports. But now they're all in Java scrip- so that can be eating. So yeah, I think there's a potential what I what I wanted was just you know, a world where I could write websites using HTML. But that is not a world. I have right now. So it's just absolutely fascinating. Right. Because they're the browsers are like they've done this. They've made web components and like what's going to happen like five years from now. Are they going to be volved or are? They is there's a world. There's all these paths. There's one of in which they just lost. They just nobody cares. Nobody uses them. They're just like what we lost that one. There's really I don't know that there's been a strong story, maybe smile as the closest thing on the web, that's has followed that path where they suspect complicated spec. And it's all but ignored how excited. But what is that pather is their path which they get really good, and it becomes the defacto way to build things that even libraries build on top of is. I think there's a narrative like that happening now, which is which is, you know, react people largely ignore web components, but they don't have to. That's almost like a cultural thing like they could be embracing them right now, they just aren't for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like this cultural. Well, I think that comes back to like I was part of the two I think like like the marketing of web components being tied to polymer position as a competitor, Tuesday Gaster. And so, but in fact components is not does not depend on area. You don't need Palmer dis web components. However twist like you start using web components. You're like, oh, I probably need something like Palmer like 'cause it's so low level. You don't have like tempting. Which is the number one thing you're gonna need is an if statement in your template. So now, you have to the okay walk that back. I'm gonna use polymer now. So in some ways they were tied together. But and I think that's again back to my tiny grievances with with components. I think that it was part of the original design one required. Java skip to bootstrap the element. I think if they could come up with something that didn't require that. It would have got more adoption as HTML imports. But then be if it had like tempting in it. So you could just use web components without buying into Google's polymer deal. That would have been awesome too. Jarvis group has gotten in the web platform has gotten into the business of template to some degree. I mean, there's there's template literally and tag, template, liberals and stuff that are kind of the design of them is tempting in when I think do goes now kind of pitching maybe over Palmer is this element thing, which is HTML where you use template. Literal to almost like Jess X to spit out, a template, right and love this. It's pretty cool. But but so instead of creating a, you know class, my element extends HTML element, you say class meiomi extends lit element. And then you get a few of these kind of superpowers built into the late HTML, Mike Lynn L. I mean, I think the primary one is efficient re rendering right that it's not just you're not just taking up Dom element and saying oh. When I need to render it just just re render all of it. You know? Yeah. Yes. That can be an inefficient. And that's why people are so into react is react has all the super magic that it only renders exactly what it needs to to be super fast. And so by by by not doing that, you're not benefiting from whatever magic react. So what can I do? Instead. And there I answer is. Oh, well, we do that too. We do lit aged. Yeah. And I think what it does is ripe like template to the Dom. And then it just keeps track of what can be changed in that template. So it's like pretty fast stuff. So anyway, there's hyper h does the same thing and like a like a five hundred byte library just this week that it didn't do the re rendering for you? But what it did do was ski could make us template literal string and then put refs in it. So if you needed to reach into that literal to change something efficiently yourself, you can you do. Have to render the whole strings do can use still have like Dom references to the internal bits of a larger chunk. I thought was very clever. Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering what you know hidden twain nineteen I wonder what what the landscapes gonna look like could be kind of interesting react hoods. Late element. You know, all this stuff. Yeah. Starting to get a little Yanni on this react than we talked about it at all day. We did. It's just okay. Let's forget it. Then I think we talked about it, it exclusive nece that was kind of thing. But any like, okay now, you have access to state in stateless component or not. I know stateless KOMO news in the right word. Like, what do they call them in react when they don't have functional when they don't have their own class. It's just like a string like it's basically they have a name whatever blinking the ones that just they just render rendered lists components. I don't know whatever. All right. Yeah. Thank you. Dear listener, we'll get back to you next week. Thank you do report downloading this new picture choice Beecher star favorite. That's how people find out about the show. Follow us on Twitter at shop talk show for tens of tweets a month. If you hate your job, shop dot com jobs brand new in because people want hire people like you and Chris. Get anything else you'd like to see. Trump dot com.

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