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E56: The Kirtland Cult - Jeffrey Lundgren
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By January third, local police had secured a warrant and Rabl to follow up on the tip. After digging through piles of rocks and garbage. The police found suspiciously soft dirt below. They eventually unearthed the bodies of Dennis Avery, his wife, Cheryl and their daughters fifteen year old Trina thirteen year old, Rebecca and seven year old, Karen the prosecutors chief assistant in kirtland later recalled not only the terrible smell in the barn. But the reaction of the local police. He said, quote, there was some pretty seasoned law enforcement officers there that day. And I remember the effect it had on them when it was clear that children had been murdered two and put everyone already knew who was responsible. His name was Jeffrey Lundgren, and he was convinced he had the power of God. Hi, I'm Greg Poulsen Vanessa Richardson, and this is cults today. We're taking a deep dive into the kirtland cult. Originally an offshoot of the Mormon church leader. Jeffrey Lundgren eventually convinced his followers to commit mass murder for him. You can listen to previous episodes of cults as well as all of par casts other shows wherever you listen to podcasts, a new episode comes out every Tuesday. A lot of you have asked how you can help support the show. And if you enjoy the podcast, the best way to do that is to leave a five star review. You can also find us on Facebook and Instagram as at par cast and on Twitter at par, cast network. The kirtland cult was started by Jeffrey Lundgren in kirtland Ohio in nineteen eighty-seven. The called eventually numbered up to twenty adults and their children with some of the moving into Lundgren's home at eight, six, seven one Chardon road Lundgren formed the cult around his new interpretation of scripture eventually convincing his followers that he was God's last prophet. The cult ended after London, coerced his followers into murdering the Avery family, which led to his arrest January seventh nineteen ninety and eventual execution by lethal injection on October twenty. Fourth, two thousand six in part. One of our two part series will focus on Jeffrey Lundgren himself, his background psyche and how he turned from a troubled child into a cult leader in partout will broaden our focus from London to the cultivar ended known as the kirtland cult will learn about what the cult believe. How long used mind control to instill fear in his followers and how the cult eventually ended in the murder of an entire family. Jeffrey Lundgren was born on may third nineteen fifty in Independence, Missouri. His parents were named Donald and Lois, and he had one younger brother. The family was well off financially and were members of the RL DS church, which stands for reorganized church of Jesus Christ latter-day saints to understand Lundgren story. We need to understand a little bit about the religion. He grew up in their many splinter groups under the general banner of Mormonism the largest of which is the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints or l. d. s. these groups all differ in their specifics, but are United in the belief that a man named Joseph Smith who was born in Vermont in eighteen, oh five was a prophet of God. They believe that Smith through God's inspiration wrote the book of Mormon which includes new biblical teachings. Mormons regard the book of Mormon as part of their scripture. In addition to the. Old and New Testaments of the bible. Mormons also believe in something called continuous revelation, which Joseph Lundgren would later use for his own purposes. Continuous revelation is the idea that God or his divine agents continue to interact with humans through revelations. These revelations can come in the form of influenced by the Holy Ghost visions or visitations by divine agents like angels and prophets. This Mormon ideology has positive and negative consequences while it means that God can feel quite president everyday life. It also means that anyone can claim to have been visited by God or even be a profit. Some of the different splits within the Mormon religion have come from disagreements over whether or not someone is or isn't a prophet of God. In fact, one such disagreement led to the formation of the l. LDS by the eighteen thirties. Joseph Smith had amassed several hundred followers in both kirtland. Hi, oh, and Independence. Missouri kirtland was where Mormons in the mid west had initially gathered, but Smith claimed that independence was where the Mormons should establish Zion because that's where Christ would make his second coming. But not everyone was welcoming of the settlers in eighteen thirty four when Mormons in independence were facing persecution from nonbelievers. Smith made an important prophecy Smith claim that God had visited him and said, quote, I will raise up onto my people, a man who shall lead them, like as Moses lead the children of Israel and coat when Smith died in eighteen forty four. Most of his followers pledged their allegiance to Brigham Young who led the Mormons to Salt Lake valley in present day Utah, but Smith's widow, Emma, stayed behind with her three children. Those who stayed with her believe that one of Joseph Smith's descendants should become the new prophet eventually Smith's son. Joseph Smith third took up the mantle. This faction of more. Romans eventually evolved into the LDS church as Jeffrey Lundgren's parents were well regarded members of the are LDS church. They would have believed completely in Joseph Smith's teachings. Don was even a church elder, but Jeffrey was not always a believer. He's quoted as saying, I would sit there on Sundays and people would be in tears, talking about the Lord's presence and his love, and all these strange events that they claimed happen to them. And I would think that something was wrong with me because I felt absolutely nothing and nothing had happened to me like what they were describing. I was stone cold to all the emotional drivel. Jeffers parents enjoyed good standing at the community. Jeffries home life was far from perfect Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here. And throughout the episode, please note, Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks, Greg. Jeffrey described his mother Lois as cold and control. Trolling more worried about her appearance than her children's welfare. He claimed that quote, I always had to fight for affection. And my parents love was always conditional. It was always used as a reward and taken away as punishment. When I was inadequate lowest fits the standard profile of narcissistic parent seeing her children as an extension of herself rather than as Thomas creatures. She was highly concerned with how she was perceived. So she controlled her children's behavior to maintain a perfect public image. According to psychologist, Dr Eleanor Greenberg with the New York institute for gestalt therapy, children of narcissists frequently grew up to be narcissist themselves and though Jeffrey might not have done so consciously will later see him using the same techniques to control his followers that his mother used on him and Jeffries relationship with his father doesn't sound any more positive. No Jeffrey's father was a tough alpha male who liked to claim that. He had to earn everything he got and couldn't stand laziness and others. Jeffrey said, quote, no matter what I did. I never felt I was men enough for him. I always wanted and I love you. But what I got was male on male competition and quote, life at school didn't provide much of a reprieve for Jeffrey. He had a couple of friends, but was generally awkward around his peers and wasn't popular a classmate of his recall that quote, you felt sorry for him until you started talking to him, then he realized that he was air against no one really liked him and quote, nevertheless, Jeffrey set his mind to bulking up perhaps to impress his father and by his senior year, he was strong enough, let it enough to play shortstop for the baseball team after high school. Jeffrey attended central Missouri state university located in Warren's Burg Missouri. The school is secular but had a large number Mormon. Students says it's located just an hour from independence where Smith for told Christ would reappear. A two story house bordering. The campus had even been renovated by the LDS church and made into a student union. That's where Jeffrey met his future wife. Alice Keeler when she was still a senior in high school and visiting a friend on campus, she can remember exactly what he looked like the first time she saw him. She said, quote, he was dressed in a neatly pressed, white short sleeved shirt with tiny, thin, blue and yellow pinstripes. He was also wearing Brown penny loafers and no socks. Can you believe it? He wasn't wearing any socks and quote, despite Alice's shock over Jeffrey's fashion choices. She was immediately interested in him even when she later heard from another young woman that Jeffrey had taken her out on a date, only drunk and try to take advantage of her. Alice remained convinced that Geoffrey was the one for her Jeffries. Sexual aggression may be an early sign of his narcissistic personality. Narcissist believe normal rules don't apply to them and they're entitled. To take what they want. In this case, Jeffrey felt entitled to a woman's body the next year when l. started as a freshman at central Missouri. She ran into Jeffrey again in some ways. Jeffrey was still as awkward as he was in high school. And one of his friends had ask Allison out on a date for him. Now let's accepted and the two went on a day to a friend's picnic around a campfire on the night of the picnic, they discuss their lives telling each other about their pasts. Unlike Jeffrey Alice came from a poor family and had low self esteem, but still they hit it off sharing a background in the early church and perhaps a conviction that they were both special meant for something greater. Even though Alice had grown up poor, she was incredibly spoiled by her family. Her sister recalled about her quote. Alice always wanted to be the center of attention. She loved being in the spotlight and at church. She was on center stage and quote. Alice was a true believer in the teachings of the. LDS church. She even believed that she had an encounter as a teenager with the devil which left her momentarily paralyzed. It wasn't until she called out Christ's name that she was able to move. Again when she recounted her ordeal at church, her bout with the devil only made her more liked and respected. One of the churches elders even told Alice that God had given him a message about her future husband. He said, quote, you shall marry a companion whom I have prepared to bring forth my kingdom and he shall be great in the eyes of these people and shall do much good unto the children of men for I have prepared him to bring forth a marvelous work and wonder and quote, two hours. This message was an extension of Joseph Smith's eighteen thirty four prophecy. Her future husband would be the Moses like prophet that would help usher in the second coming of Christ. Her sister was more skeptical about Alice's claims saying, quote, I'm not certain Alice knows sometimes the difference. Between the truth and lies. Alice's always been able to convince yourself that whatever she wants to believe is the truth and nothing else matters. She was that way about religion and that way about her life and quote the night of Alison Jeffries. I state Jeffrey didn't show the propensity toward violence that Alice's friend had observed. Instead, he walked to her door and asked her if he could give her a kiss. Goodnight. She said, yes, later that night alone in her dorm room, Alice was convinced that not only was Jeffrey, the man she'd marry. He was also the profit that Joseph Smith had foretold. Jeffrey was Justice. Mitten with Alice says she was with him, perhaps obsessively so, but Alliston seem to mind even just the first week of dating. His romantic overtures were already mixed with controlling instructions. He would shower her with roses, an escort her to and from class. But he would also tell her when to sleep and what to wear behavior that might have made other women. And feel threatened only made Alice feel special once in a freshman chemistry class, Alison. Jeffrey spying on her through window just staring at her. Nevertheless, Alice said, quote, he's fascinating. He's handsome. He's at letting he's everything that I have ever thought the perfect man should be. And he is crazy about me and quote Ellis was right about Jeffrey feelings just one week after their first date. Jeffrey asked Alice to marry him telling her he was already in love with her. Jeffries obsession with Alice could be traced back to his insecure attachment to his parents. According to psychologist, Dr Lisa, Firestone director of research and education at the Glendon association. An insecure attachment occurs when a child doesn't feel safe with narcissistic parents because of their emotional abuse. As a result, the child can develop an anxious attachment with other people later in life with an anxious attachment. The person is trying to. Fulfil the connection he never had with his parents. Of course, the person will never truly find that fulfillment leading him to pursue it more obsessively and aggressively after their engagement, Jeffrey immediately pressured Alice into having sex with him. Even though in the RL DS church, you're not supposed to have sex until marriage. Alice wanted to please Jeffrey. So she agreed despite her feelings of shame, Alice felt that quote to him, it was a sign that I loved him, and I wanted him to love me and quote, but their marriage was by no means sure thing. Alice was only eighteen and Jeffrey was nineteen and Missouri in nineteen sixty nine. That meant that by law Jeffrey needed his parents permission, Jeffrey knew that his parents would like Alice due to her family's poverty and lack of status within the LDS church. In the meantime, Jeffrey and Alice's obsession with each other was so intense that neither went to class much that's a master Alice. Zabell to squeak by, but Jeffrey failed all of his classes during the fall of his sophomore year and flunked out of school entirely win. Jeffries family met Alice over winter break. Jeffries prediction turned out to be right. His family did hate Alice, but in the spring of nineteen seventy. Alice realized she was pregnant. Now Jeffrey had to marry her even though as parents were furious about the situation. On may fifth nineteen seventy Alice and Jeffrey ages eighteen and nineteen respectively. Gotten married at Alice's. Families are LDS church in Odessa, Texas. Presumably before her pregnancy began showing only one person attended the ceremony on Jeffrey side. A friend from college Jefferson may have thought they were just in for great things, but after their wedding, they had to move into Alice's parents house. Alice was pregnant. Jeffrey had flunked out of college and with the Vietnam war in progress. He was only a matter of time before he was drafted to try to avoid serving Jeffrey enlisted in the navy as part of the delayed entry program that didn't require him to report until the end of nineteen seventy. He hoped that by then the war would be over, but in November of nineteen seventy with the war still dragging on Jeffrey had to report to training in San Diego and missed the birth of his first son, Damon, Paul Lund gr. Grin, Damon helped repair Jeffries relationship with his parents who do not want to be separated from the grandchild Jeffrey's father, even personally blessed him in there are LDS church in independence. Jeffrey was assigned by the navy to work in San Diego as an electrical repairman on the USS Sperry. So Alison, Damon moved with him to California their time there was happy, but neither Jeffrey nor Alice could figure out how to make life work on a budget. They both overspent and had to constantly ask their families for money. There were other problems in their marriage. Alice said Jeffrey was obsessed with sex claiming quote, he do it several times a day. If I let him and when we did it, he just want to satisfy himself and quote, again, Jeffrey showing classic signs of narcissism. He's only focused on himself and sees sex as validation narcissists also tend to think they're much better in bed than they really are in the spring of nineteen seventy two. When. Jeffrey was twenty one. He was assigned to a destroyer bound for Vietnam. Alice moved with Damon back to Jeffrey's parents house. It was in Vietnam that Jeffrey reconnected with his religion. He studied the scripture every day trying to figure out why God hadn't communicated with him like he had with others, including Alice. Then one day his ship, the US Shelton came under fierce attack from the Vietnamese, somehow the ship withstood the bombardment. Jeffrey believed that he was responsible for the entire crew survival. Quote. God had showed me a sign. He had protected the ship because he didn't want me to die in Vietnam and quote, he hadn't had much use for the religion before, but if he could use it to make himself feel more special than he was in his nurse assistant personality is being bolstered by the idea that he has been chosen. Jeffrey also remembered what Elsa told him about the prophecy regarding future husband and he started. I think it could be true. He really was special. He could even be the profit that is church had been waiting for. We'll examine what Lundgren did with his newfound religiosity. After the break. There so many home security companies out there. What's one of the reasons you like simply safe home security? So much simply safe is great because it's ready for anything that gets thrown at it. If a storm takes out the power or an intruder cuts, the phone line simply safe is ready. Even if they destroy your keypad or siren simply safe will get you the help you need. That's good. 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During that time, saying, quote, I felt Jeffrey was in the process of making Allison to exactly what he wanted her to be. He wanted to control every part of her life, and she gave him that control in return for his love and quote, Jeffrey was so controlling that Alice wasn't even able to use the phone without his permission. Jeffrey had become a full-fledged narcissist and needed. Alice to be perfect so that she would reflect positively on him. Alice believed that Jeffries treatment of her was mandated by the bible and that it was her job to serve him. She would often cite a passage from the New Testament that reads quote, but the women serve in silence with all subjection for I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man to be in silence and quote. Meanwhile, Jeffrey was sent out on two more tours and during the last one in nineteen Seventy-three. He first became aware of how persuasive he could be. He was bunk mates with a young man named Kevin curry who lived a risky carefree lifestyle. When their ship would dock on land, Kevin would head straight for the nearest brothel. At first Kevin thought Jeffrey was odd. He was so quiet and serious always studying his scripture, but he gradually became curious about Jeffrey. When the ship returned to San Diego, he accompanied Jeffrey to dinner at home with Alice there. Jeffrey told Kevin all about his our LDS beliefs and about an experience he'd had while at sea. He claimed that Satan had sent a cloud that grew into the shape of a hand. He Venturi almost pushing him overboard. Jeffrey cried out my God, save me. Deliver me and the cloud disappeared. Jeffrey said that the only explanation for the occurrence was that quote, the cloud was Satan in the forces of evil, and he was trying to kill me to keep me from doing something that God has chosen me to do. There has to be. The reason why God is saving me and why Satan wants me dead and quote, whether Jeffrey believed this delusion or was consciously lying will never know. Perhaps he told the lie. So often he began to believe it himself. Kevin was fascinated. He ended up staying with the Lundgren's for long time and at the end of nineteen seventy four. He was baptized. Jeffrey was soon discharged from the navy and decided to return to Missouri leaving Kevin behind, at least for the time being. But through his conversion of Kevin, Jeffrey discovered his powers of persuasion in nineteen seventy four at age, twenty four, Jeffrey re-enrolled at central Missouri state university. This time he earned straight as and became a leader of the fundamentalist Mormon. Faction of students under the direction of Joseph Smith's grandson Wallace bee's myth Mormonism had started modernizing causing a rift in the are LDS church. Jeffrey was on the conservative side. Which among other things believed that women had no place in the RL DS priesthood. By the fall of nineteen seventy five. Jeffrey was so passionate about his beliefs that he decided he should join the priesthood himself and put his name for consideration. Among the elders. Priesthood in the early church isn't a fulltime job like it is in the Catholic church. Priests in the are LDS church do most of their work on Sundays, but it is a sign of status to be appointed to the priesthood. Jeffrey was also asked to help teach a course of the university, even though he was still an undergraduate and had been able to buy a house with the help of a loan given to ex service members. He and Alice had another child, a son named Jason from the outside. Jeffrey Lundgren seemed to be living a perfect life, but behind the facade. Jeffrey was thousands and thousands of dollars in debt. Alice wasn't allowed to know anything about their finances. So she only found out when a Bill collector had come to the house. Jeffrey blamed Alice for their money, troubles, saying, quote, Alice became just like my. Mother, getting possessions, accumulating things became extremely important to her Alison. I were having a difficult time on our personal relationship and she wanted physical manifestations from me that showed I loved her and quote their friends and family later said that both were to blame for the debt, which by January nineteen seventy seven reached forty, four thousand five hundred dollars when adjusted for inflation data mount would be almost one hundred eighty thousand dollars today at the same time, Geoffrey mysteriously quit school, even though he had almost enough credits to graduate. Again, he blamed Alice and Alice blamed him. Jeffrey said that Alison system, he got a job to support them. While Alice said Jeffrey had been caught stealing money from the school and in final blow, Jeffrey was denied. His priesthood in the are LDS church elders cited his emotional immaturity. As the reason Jeffrey was so angry that he dropped out of the are LDS church completely. If God communicated with him directly, what did you need the church for shortly after in the spring of nineteen Seventy-nine, Alice became pregnant. Again, Jeffrey told Alice that he got a job with TWA an airline as part of the preflight inspection crew. But Alice began to notice some suspicious activity items from the house started disappearing and Jeffrey never came home at the same time. Everything blew up. When the police came to their house. It turned out Jeffrey headlight about the job. He hadn't been able to secure employment, but he needed to keep up his image. So he'd made it all up. Their rent was overdue and Jeffrey had written a bad check for gun. He wanted to buy. He liked collecting guns because his father had a gun collection and he wanted to amass better collection that his dad Jeffrey ended up being taken away by the police in handcuffs by this time. Geoffrey, Alice's parents were tired of lending their children money, but Alice's mother still allow. The family of Ford move back in with them. The family was about to expand on Saturday, June, sixteenth, nineteen Seventy-nine. Alice gave birth to their third child. A daughter named Kristen, Jeffrey got a job in a hospital to support his family, and they rented an old farmhouse to live in Jeffrey analysis. Marital problems continued. Jeffery claimed that Alice was frigid while Alice claimed the Jeffrey wanted her to do things sexually that made her uncomfortable including defecating on her. In fact, Alice claimed the Jeffrey was fascinated by feces. A sexual facination with feces is known as copper affiliate. According to Nick hassling, a professor of psychology at the university of Melbourne. Many people have vetting his which only become clinical issues if they interfere substantially with a person's life or caused distress. However, studies have shown that copper affiliate has some correlation with Saito masochism which is the giving. Or receiving of pain for pleasure. How does it tie in with Jeffries narcissism while narcissist feel the need to project a powerful perfect image to the public deep down, they feel worthless. Jeffrey might have asked Alice to engage in sexual acts in which she treated him as that worthless person. It might even have been cathartic for him a chance to reveal how he truly felt inside and why was willing to put up with Jeffries sexual obsessions. It sounds like there might have been a couple reasons. I Alice grew up in a religion that taught that women were supposed to serve men without question. Secondly, Geoffrey had been controlling and emotionally abusive for a long time. He likely didn't start out asking Alice for these sexual acts. He had to build up to them over the course of several years. Oboe disgusted by these fetishes Alice agreed to participate in an effort to please her husband, but unfortunately for Alice, it's still wasn't enough for Jeffrey. During this time, he had an affair with the woman who also worked. At the hospital at I also blames herself for his lapse. She thought that if she had been a more subservient wife, he never would have strayed. But eventually her anger boiled to the surface and the two got into a heated argument the to disagree about how the fight started, but would happen. Next is a fact established in hospital records Jeffrey through Alice so hard against a doorknob that he ruptured her spleen. She had questioned his authority so he needed to reestablish control. Jeffries abuse didn't stop there. While Alice was under painkillers and bedridden from her injury, Jeffrey had sex with her while she was nearly unconscious. Alice became pregnant again, eventually giving birth to their fourth and final child, Caleb Lundgren and September nineteen eighty. Throughout this time, even after his arrest, Jeffrey had continued to write bad checks. Finally, they were kicked out of the farmhouse and had to return to Alice's parents house when they're. Landlord came to look over the farmhouse and see what condition the lung grins had left it in. He was shocked. Jeffrey had stolen. Some of his personal items that had been kept in the garage with that was far from the worst of it in the basement. Jeffrey had cut through a sewage pipe so that everything from the toilet on the first floor empty directly onto the basement floor. He recalled quote, there was a pile of human waste at least one foot deep and six feet in diameter and quote. Additionally, he found magazines with sadomasochistic photos in a closet along with a plastic dildo caked with feces, even if we knew what that was four, we would spare the details. The landlord also fun books about the LDS church all over the farmhouse and he couldn't understand on Jeffrey could have two such different sides to his personality. The landlord said, quote, he wanted to be liked. He wanted to be admired yet. He didn't want to do anything to earn you liking him at the same time. My also never knew anyone who thought so much of himself. He simply looked upon himself as someone who was unique. You know, special, Andy felt people needed to treat him special and quote, Jeffrey was later fired from the hospital after he and his mistress were caught messing around in the office. He told Alice, he decided to quit. By February nineteen Eighty-one Jeffrey had gained and lost several more jobs. He was living in Independence, Missouri, so that he could look for work while Alice was living with your parents and taking care of their four kids. When Jeffrey visited Alice, she would indulge his interest in copper filial and bondage because she wanted to make him happy though. She said it made her uncomfortable. Finally, nineteen eighty-two Jeffrey got a steady job at independence as a bio medical technician. Allison, the kids moved there to join him and Jeffey was finally able to pay off all the bad checks. He had written, his criminal record was expunged. And for the first time in a while, the couple had disposable income Jeffey decided to spend it on rifles again, trying to build up his collection to better as father. Jeffrey Alice reconnected with old friends and independence. One of whom invited the couple to a bible study class on the book of Mormon. The class was taught by a man named Ray treat, who taught. Pupils that it wasn't enough to read or even memorize the scripture. Jeffrey said, quote, you needed to examine each individual word and discover it's meaning when you did that, you could actually see God's thought process from that point on, no one could keep me away from church. I had to know more and quote, jiffy decided to give the r. l. d. s. priesthood and other try, but through his time in the army and his conversion of Kevin curry, he now understood the importance of personal relationships. He took some time to network and cozied up to church elders, volunteering for any odd job. The church needed done, but friends thought that Jeffrey analysis were motivated by something other than religious zeal. One friend said, quote, Jeff in house were anxious to get prestige. They didn't have it. They wanted it and quote, mauled Jeffrey's plans were progressing smoothly church, his work life returned to the same pattern. Jeffrey was fired from his job as a biomedical techniques. Shen and then two other jobs all for stealing. He would never hold a pain job again. After this break will track the beginnings of the kirtland cult and their path to murder. Now back to the story. The end of nineteen eighty-two Jeffrey and Alice met a couple at their church named Jim in Laura Robbins after Jim was diagnosed with stomach cancer. A few years previously, he and his wife had become devout Mormons, Jim had never met anyone who could match his knowledge of scripture until he met Jeffrey a small number of devout Mormons, including Jim believe in communal living. Some early Mormons had practiced it for a time though. It never lasted for very long. Jim was so impressed with Jeffrey that he thought they should give it a try and in February nineteen. Eighty two, Jim told Jeffrey and Alice that he and Laura would financially support them at the time. Jim didn't realize that Jeffrey analysts were already being supported by numerous other church members through a fund meant for poor. Mormons, in fact, they had such a surplus of goods donated to them that friend recalled coming to the house and seeing their front porch completely covered in grocery bags, full of food. When. The friends question Dallas about it. Alice replied, quote, Jeff had things to do for God, and therefore he wasn't required to work like everyone else. Other people were supposed to take care of him. That was their job. He was to serve God and quote, although Ellis was subservient to Jeffrey, we can see that she was also benefiting from his status. She wasn't working either and seemed to feel entitled to other people's help and money. After Jim began to bankroll the Lundgren's, he and Jeffrey became obsessed with one passage in the book of Mormon in it. God says, he has revealed to Joseph Smith and other Mormon, great and marvelous works, but he doesn't specify what they were. God had led his prophecy. These works after the two had prayed in kirtland, Ohio. So Jeffrey Jim decided they would go to the kirtland temple and pray to be shown the same works. The kirtland temple was the first structure of its kind to be built by the followers of Joseph Smith. He oversaw its. -struction himself and the church was first used in eighteen thirty six. Joseph Smith claimed to have several visions there and it's considered a sacred space for Mormons once they're Jeffrey, Jim prayed in private in the temple for half an hour, but nothing happened. Jim decided that he was arrogant to think that God would show him the same thing he'd shown Joseph Smith, Jeffrey, however, surprise Jim by standing up and praying out loud for Jim to be cured of stomach cancer. What happened next differs according to Jim and Jeffrey in gyms account, they went to a nearby diner where Jim felt sick and had to return home in Jeffries account. God had told Jeffrey that he could either cure Jim's cancer or be shown the great works that Joseph Smith had described. It was Jeffries choice. Jeffrey proudly reported that he had chosen Jim to be cured. And therefore he was Jim's cancer was in remission, but he wasn't convinced that it was due to Jeffrey sacrifice. Jeffy told everyone else in the church's version of the story. Anyway, Jim and his wife became uncomfortable with Jeffries claims and in the summer of nineteen Eighty-three. They decided that they could no longer financially support him. Nevertheless, Jeffrey was ordained in the RL DS priesthood in October nineteen Eighty-three at thirty three years old. For his first sermon, he read a series of bible verses about how God would punish the wicked members of the church, complained about the violent imagery he used and Jeffrey wasn't invited to preach again shortly after the Lundgren's first son, Damon was injured when he tripped and broke rib, the rib punctured his liver and he needed emergency surgery. When Alice tell Jeffrey that she wanted to stay in the hospital with him, instead of going home, Jeffrey became enraged because he felt Alice wasn't paying enough attention to him. He raped Alice on the floor of their bathroom according to Geoffrey, it wasn't possible for a husband to rape alive because she only exists to please him even though rape is clearly morally and legally wrong. But for Alice, this was the last straw. She threatened divorce, but Jeffrey knew how to. Allison, the marriage. He claimed that on the night that Damon was injured. He had a vision of Christ dying on the cross. He said that he walked up to the cross, looked into Christ's is and that quote I saw everything and I was aware I was in his head and in his consciousness, and I could see all things all eternity from the beginning of time to the present into the future. I felt his pure and total love, and I understood that there was no anger in him at all, and quote, Alice believed Jeffrey and decided once and for all that she could never leave him. Because according to Geoffrey quote, God is preparing me for something he is directing both our lives and quote, despite Jeffries checkered work history and abusive his wife. He was still allowed to teach bible study class at the local hour LDS church in Independence, Missouri at the time. The rift between fundamentalist Mormonism and liberal Mormonism that Jeffrey had experienced in college was coming. To a head in April of nineteen Eighty-four. The RL DS governing body held a worldwide conference where they voted to allow women to be ordained to the priesthood. Jeffrey was horrified and decided to make his bible study class into a haven for fundamentalist church members. He preached that RL d. s. was God's only true church and that God would punish any disbelievers. He was a terrifying, but charismatic lecturer and do a class of about twenty loyal students. Two of his most passionate followers were named Cheryl and Dennis Avery dead grown up in our LDS households and admit during church. Weekend retreat for singles. The couple had three daughters Trina, Rebecca, and Karen, the couple wasn't popular in the church or in general due to their social awkwardness. Another member of the church said of the agencies quote, I think one of the reasons why the Avery's latched onto Jeffrey Alice was because they were nicer to them than most people in the church. The Avery were not particularly easy to like labor, Wimpy, mousy people, and a lot of members simply voided them and quote. However, the series had something in common with the Lundgren's they hated how liberal the church was becoming, and even thought that Satan could be corrupting the mind of Joseph Smith's descendants. But even they were challenged when Jeffrey made a startling claim in class Jesus Christ in God were one in the same. Jeffrey wasn't referring to the holy trinity, which in the cap. The tradition suggests that the father, son and Holy Ghost are distinct but made of the same essence. He meant they were indistinct from each other part of what made that claim. So disturbing to RDS members was that Jesus Christ and God had appeared together to Joseph Smith and vision. So essentially, Jeffrey was calling Joseph Smith a liar. Jeffrey said that he had unearthed different accounts of Smith's vision that supported what he was saying. But church elders were nevertheless appalled and discontinued his class. Jeffrey was so sure that he was right that he refused to apologize for his assertion and instead move the class to his home. He was followed only by his most dedicated students, including Dennis and Cheryl. Avery and Denison, Tanya, Patrick, Jeffrey then had another vision. This one involved, his student, Dennis Patrick. He claimed that he and Dennis were walking along a path and Jeffrey was given a set of gold pleats different than the ones that Joseph Smith had been. Given his vision, Jeffrey brought the plates to Wallace b Smith, the current head of the church, but God told him that the are LDS church had gone astray and could not help him translate the plates. Jeffrey continued on his search for a way to translate the plates. Even when Dennis Patrick tried to take them from him, Jeffrey interpreted the vision like this quote. I think it means that God wants me to bring forth some new revelation. I think it means that Wallace b Smith is a fallen prophet and is leading the church destruction. I think it means that Dennis Patrick will try to stop me from accomplishing task because he will be more worried about winning the glory of the world than the glory of God and quote, Jeffrey shared his entire vision with Alice. And then with his followers, though he left out the part about Dennis Patrick's betrayal when he preached this in class, they didn't think it was so strange because as Tanya, Patrick, put it quote, if you had gone to any Wednesday night prayer service that week, you. Probably would have seen someone stand up and talk about how God had inspired them to say something or shown them vision and quote, Jeffrey became obsessed with the vision doing everything he could to become worthy of receiving the new revelation that God was going to give him one day during a scripture study. He thought he had found a passage in the book of Mormon that told him what to do next. It read quote for this 'cause I gave unto you the commandment, but you should go to the Ohio and there I will give unto you my law and there you shall be endowed with power from on high and from thence, who so ever. I will shell go forth among all nations and it Shelby told them what they shall do and quote, although God had originally given this order to go to a high, oh, to Joseph Smith, Jeffrey was so self important that he thought God was talking directly to him. And as if God had planned it. Alice noticed an advertisement in the church newsletter for volunteers to go work as tour guides at the kirtland temple in. Hi, oh, where Jeffrey allegedly cured his old friend, Jim, the position was unpaid, but the church would cover housing and utilities. It was like a miracle, Jeffrey told the members of his class and they through the Lundgren's a going away party. Sharell Dennis, Avery were thrilled for them and Cheryl told Jeffrey quote. This is so exciting. You've got to tell us what you find there and quote Jeffrey was convinced that everything else in his life had been leading up to this move saying, quote, the Lord Ed chosen me me for a great mission. I truly believe that. And I saw this as a new adventure, a new start. We were going on God's path and I wasn't going to let him down. I was going to do whatever God commanded and quote, Jeffrey Alice Lundgren along with their four children arrived in kirtland Ohio. On August nineteenth, nineteen Eighty-four. They moved into the church provided housing, which was directly next door to the beautiful kirtland temple. Jeffrey began his training as a tour guide. The temple just a day after his family's arrival in kirtland his eagerness so impressed. The head of the temple staff that Geoffrey was put in charge of the financial records of the temple. In addition to his tour duties, Jeffrey would oversee the offerings left at the temple and the sales visitor's center, which usually amounted to about twenty thousand dollars a year. Although Jeffrey was well respected at the temple, they weren't paying him anything and the family was struggling to survive around that same time Jeffries old navy buddy, Kevin, curry. The one he had converted to Mormonism arrived for a visit. Jiffy told Kevin about an amazing discovery he'd made in the book of Mormon. There's a certain passage that said, a prophet would help usher in science in independence. That's why Joseph Smith had moved his followers there, but Jeffey thought that men had added in that passage later, the real location of Zion wasn't kirtland Hieaux Kevin believed with Jeffrey told him and started visiting Jeffrey whenever he could, but Jeffey didn't. Have the high opinion of Kevin that Kevin had of him. He said, quote, Kevin, wasn't that much different from all the others who eventually joined my group. They were all drawn to me because there is something lacking in their own personalities in lives. They wanted me to provide it for them. They were week I was strong. I was there host and quote. In January of nineteen. Eighty five Kevin became the first person to move into the Lundgren home in order to be closer to Jeffrey and learned from him. He also agreed to hand over his entire paycheck every month directly to Jeffrey rather than being thankful. Jeffrey used the opportunity to exploit Kevin further. Soon, Kevin was doing all the household chores. In addition to being the only one in the household with a paying job. Jeffrey also began to take more people under his wing, including Sharon bluntly, and Danny craft, both interns at the kirtland temple. Neither of them knew anyone in town and both were lonely. Jeffrey saw them as perfect targets. Like most leaders, Jeffrey was skilled at identifying people's vulnerabilities so that he could explode them in the fall of nineteen eighty five. Jeffrey was asked to teach an adult Sunday school class at the temple. He used the opportunity to talk about a new method for analyzing scripture that he had learned. Called Kayastha Mus Jeffrey claim to have invented Cosmas, but he had actually heard about it from other people cayennes MRs based on the belief that God created mankind in his mirror image. So you should study the bible, my looking for phrases that mirror each other, whatever is between the two Mirroring. Phrases is the truth. For example, a section of Isaiah chapter fifty. Five reads in one line, neither are your ways. My ways then in the next line for as the heavens are higher than the earth, then in the next line. So are my ways higher than your ways the first and last lines of similar. So the true message of the section is the middle line which reads for as the heavens are higher than the earth. The other lines were written by men while the center line was written by God, Jeffrey used Cosmas to give the impression that he had a secret to interpreting scripture that no one else knew and many members of the church, aided up a friend at the time recalled. Quote, Jeff, had this magnetism about him. He never expressed any doubts. And when he said something, it was like the Lord himself had set it and quote, everything was going well for Jeffrey and his family. Jeffrey was enjoying giving tours and studying scripture and Kevin and Sharon were supporting them financially. Jeffrey was still demanding sexual acts from Alice that made her uncomfortable. But by this point, she had accepted that he really was the prophet that had been foretold. So she no longer felt she could question him for the next year and a half the Lundgren's continued in relative happiness. Jeffrey got so into study of chaos Mus that he used it to completely reinterpret the entire bible. He crossed out anything that wasn't surrounded by Mira phrases, believing that everything that remained was the true word of God. More and more people began to notice Jeffrey and believe in him, especially RL DS fundamentalists, Jeffrey capitalized on their belief, presenting himself as the conservative option too. People who thought the church was becoming too liberal. He even began to consider that the special purpose that God had in store for him was to lead a fundamentalist revolt. Ousting Wallace b Smith from the church leadership and installing himself. He began teaching additional classes at his home drawing not just Kevin informer interns, Sharon, Daniel, but other people who had met him at church or during his tours of the temple by the fall of nineteen eighty six, both Kevin curry and another man named Richard Olsen were living in the Lundgren house while Danny and Sharon lived across the street. They had all become disciples of Geoffrey Geoffrey continued to study the bible using cayennes Mus even though he had moved to kirtland my God told him to, he felt he was still missing some sort of key that would truly unlock his power and allow him to become the prophet. He was meant to be the key came in the form of another alleged vision. Jeffery claimed that he was visited by Joseph Smith who explained to him. Mm, that God had created eight Sears. At the beginning of time, these men were immortal, but wouldn't know that they were immortal or what their role was until God needed them. If you thinking that sounds like the plot of a movie called Highlander you're correct. The movie was released in nineteen eighty six and Jeffrey, and Allison mid being so szeswith it that they sought seven times in one weekend, but Jeffrey still claimed that his story was true. In fact, he was the last of these immortal seers or prophets through all of Jeffries hard work. He had finally become worthy of his role. So now God was revealing his true self to him as he put it quote. I was finally at the point where it could happen where Joseph Smith could turn the role of the prophet over to me so that the scriptures could be fulfilled and quote. It was the last piece of dangerous puzzle. Jeffrey had begun to a massive followers and now believed that he was God's last prophet on earth. He alone could. Bring about Zion in kirtland next week, we'll discuss how Jeffrey Lundgren would use this supposed revelation together, even more disciples gained complete control over the members of his cult and eventually convinced them to commit murder on his behalf. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back with the second part of our episode. Next Tuesday, some of you have asked how you can help the show if you enjoy colts the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. 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Yeah I feel like you're trying to one up us with your website dot com and we haven't gotten we bring out ours dot wordpress with a real domain a real website minds dot org actually as we're the white trash version of the one on one hour. We're free for now. You GotTa start somewhere. Oh right that's true. That's you know that's we have. That patriarch count them at some point. They'll pay for the website. We'll see we'll see how that works out. Yeah so On our episode is going to be allowed to be very very free form. So we're going to just kind talk about whatever probably GonNa continue a lot of the extra conversation about consciousness. Now we do. Usually I WANNA lead off with it But I think you've already. I think I would know the answer. The you'd have a ghost story. Juan ooh Nice leader or any or any weird thing that's happened that would be as maybe spiritual or just not normal. I would say so What we were talking about before the show. I feel that was a little weird right so I told you the synchronicity between so I've had this thing I don't know if I've ever had a paranormal experience. I I believe in the coal. I believe in in believe in it. I don't practice that right because again coming from a Christian background. I've learned to respect that and I do believe there. I knew that's why I love the inner dimensional aspect of things. Because I do believe there's a different round that we can't see because we can only see point zero zero to five of the light spectrum as human beings and who knows what's going on around us or even frequencies that we can hear who knows what's going on around us at this at this time you know right now and all these things that we can't see what you know. What if there is a spiritual realm and these entities and these beings trying to contact us and you can open up your soft. A lot of dark energies is why I believe in that and I don't believe I've ever had a paranormal experience. You have your ghost friend. You know chasing you around and falling. You're on I do believe in that though that ghost do attach themselves or or these entities attacks themselves to people and they follow him around Shout out to Ryan Burns. I did an episode Skin Walker ranch right. I wanted to head out there. I wanted to take a trip out to skin Walker ranch. But then he talks about how these these residual effects these residual things that could follow. Unifed you later on so like when he told me that I'm like I don't know if I WANNA head out there but well last week actually update on the ghosting county. So I talked about yesterday whether I I've been followed by seven like some of the people that have been on. Dm t.f seen things in our house But yes last week. We were just doing a normal thing. I put a basketball in the middle of this chair. No way for it to fall down like the way I put it on something and the only person. Here's your dog. Ray was my dog and US down here in the basin recording in the middle of our lack there of interesting episode the ball fell down started bouncing and then stop out of nowhere. What my dog was no. Stop the PODCAST. Because of what is going on and I normally Nami. She's kind of. She's a chunky dog. She ain't doing nothing like getting an abundant chair. When we went up there she was just getting up. She was doing her little stretch. Like time for me to get up and Yeah those really spooky. And then it kind of frazzled. Us and then I have A. Do you know what a spirit box is gone? Yeah so so. Remember that show. I told you about yesterday. Hellier referring yeah is there so One of my favorite things to do is you know. Get blasted in and watch Documentaries late at night specific alien documentaries because of the ambient music that the US right and so I started watching that show and I didn't know it was a documentary. I thought it was like a mini show or something like that. They talk about these little Goblin stuff and when I saw watching I. It's like real. Paranormal investigators in the used a little spare box and they had this guy like waiting for there were communicating with something. I don't I don't know I don't yeah APP version. It's not as real deal but I've heard on the Google reviews. At least three people have gotten good results from it in a graveyard only seven reviews so there really is only like six Apparently as of yet we haven't had any thinks I'm saying it's bunk. Yeah why brought it down because I after the basketball move does like Yo dude. If you're going to be up here making noise you might as well get on the podcast and we late. We brought on the spare box we added onto them. Mike we tried to get say. Hello or like why? You're haunting me like trying to kill me you here for like some bagels or something. It's weird too because all this stuff. You didn't have any experiences in the house right until we started talking about it on this podcast so when I first moved here yes manifested. Yeah but then we gave it energy dude and then for awhile. We've kind of just ignored it because we've been busy but then we started talking about it again under my roof and it's just bringing up. He's getting pat 'em also got all these demon books too. It doesn't really help what you know. It's like the odd couple over here. One I'm like the Christian one brains like the demonic one. I don't think I wanNA be friends anymore. Guys I gotTa go this book on Amazon Because it's called the demons of magic three practical rituals for working with the seventy two demons. And here's how you know it's written by Satan. He didn't know what you're talking about pissing that other Guy Alphabet not piss you off. My other spell book is As some not this demon book the spell book that I bought it was like someone's like this is like having a Barrett fifty cal for home defense and on my car. I gotTA buy did. Oh let's exactly so the demonic magic can lead a life success power and extraordinary piece. And I'm like okay. Unbelievable the beauty of demonic magic is that spiritual growth arises from material pleasure See this material thing seems like Satan and right already bought the book. So so here's the thing and I'm going to ask both of you have so. I think I have a theory. That brandon likes to do this stuff just to see other people's reaction right. I don't think you really believe in that stuff. Do you believe in it. You tell the truth. You're an agnostic. Right well yes but I did think it would be kind of neat to summoned seventy two demons. Did you try it now? Though he can summon. There's two things that I haven't been able to do this. Old Their old ritual that it came yet inscribed a sword and it's like a two page paragraph in like thinking how to keep speaking praising God or whatever and like the someone expel and he had to do it inside this enchanted circle with your engraved sword. That's why I have my grandma's sword that she got me. I'm trying to clean that. Because that's going to be the sort of an ingrained with the spell go in Instead of drawing the circle in the actual ground I'm GonNa get a giant piece of cardboard and have it inscribed on there that we can just bring it with me to the woods are all talk. I didn't do it yet. I'm scared if you listen. Someone Breaks Webcams. This is this is. This is serious. I'm sorry no listen. I don't fuck with that right so I've looked into again my thing. Is You know enlightenment in you. Know the Michael talking about being a Christian and again coming from a Christian background. Nothing that I believe everything. Yeah and I have my own personal beliefs like I said earlier. You know I believe in a higher power and higher thing. That's controlling this. I do believe in evil and I do believe it exists rather good and evil is a construct of of society and of of humanity in nature. There is no good and evil right. So animals don't care about borders animal. You know there was no human beings on Earth. There would just be nature right. Darwinism survival of the fittest right. So when you're getting into this stuff and I've looked into seen as I've looked into I've I've I've looked into suck uses all this craziness and I and when I come in Was that one thing Nekunam Kong. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah so when I come across things like that and he'll use different spells and all these different things when I'm reading it on the Internet. I Skim Past I. Skim past the parts were. It's the ritual. Because again I I believe. In in that occult aspect of things and I don't know Dude I don. I hope you're kidding. But you're playing with fire brand I I yeah people people you open yourself to these darker entities and and again. That's something you've got to be careful with. You know you're telling him this one. He doesn't listen to me and he you know I'm not playing with fire. I'm playing with the book of smokeless. Fire Michael. I don't know how you go to this man's house you know again. Because he's because he's all talk want so many demon or spirit. You guys are GonNa Laugh that we're not going to be disaster. Tell me did you said you come from a Christian background. So can you walk me through like you're kind of spiritual journey because you you're you don't fully believe in Christianity but you have that background right. So how did you get from Maybe did you ever believe Christianity or did you just go to church? Now's the question that my sister asked me yesterday. Actually she said 'cause 'cause I again. I grew up Christian from very little. My Grandma's very religious against pentecostal. I I was I currently in pentecostal too so I don't get a church right now though so. I don't classify me that you know you have the aspect of the Holy Trinity Right. It's like the. That's the most complex thing of Christianity. Right right where where they it's like. Oh well Jesus is the son of God. But then he's the same thing and then you had the Holy Spirit and pentecostals are very big until you know speaking in tongues and it's almost like this possession of from but it's from the Holy Spirit right. Yeah so ever since I was little. You know you're a little. You're a little kid you don't understand and I played for a Lotta years. I played guitar for my church and really in. I was in the worship group when I was in it but then as you grow up and and and again like I said earlier you don't have you. You can't really know the whole truth of only looking at a sliver of so when you are in a a religion and I want you know again I I don't talk. I don't like talking about it. 'cause IT offends people and I've got into arguments with people Because of it. Because there's it's such a hostility right there tilling overlords. They want you to fight. So they invented this. And regardless of the fact Religion is a multi trillion dollar industry per year. Wha- pharmaceuticals multi trillion dollar industry per year You know the coal industry what was and now they're in shambles. Aren't they right? So it's like These industries that you know the energy sector all these different industries. They make a lot of money for example the pharmaceuticals. I don't want my dad. Has MS a thirty day? Supply of of medicine for him is like thirty to forty thousand dollars for one person at multiply that times thousands of people who even knows if ms even exists. Because they don't know the origins they don't all it's because they don't always genetic they don't have a cure for it they don't have anything for it just happens right. Yes so we were talking about. If I ever believed if I don't know right I I don't know because I feel and this is my personal opinion yeah. We talked about culturally right when they when when you're in church and do they're doing the calling the end of the of the service right. I feel that they whatever they say resonates with Iran. That's really gets people in an Against PEOPLE TO WALK FORWARD. Yeah the altar call alike. It's almost like a blanket statement right as like. Oh he knows what you're going through and that's when people start getting fidgety. Because it feels like they're talking to them it's that we`re. I don't know if that makes sense. Faith then my sister asked me. She said so. Have you never believed that like you know? Why did you say well she? She said she said how. Do people believe in something that they can't see and I said listen Gravity we know. It's there I we can't see it but we feel it. Faith is such a strong thing. It's such A. It's such a interesting thing right. That's why I love a theology and I've talked to people with PhD's on my show. I've talked doctors. You know with the Church history and all these different things and I breakdown. The aspects of religion to a little stamp because there's a mystical comprehension things as well as irs literal comprehension. Right like look at the Dark Ages and the Dark Ages. They literally took religion as a literal thing. All these dark things happened because people were taking it to assert to to an extreme what you have these people from the Muslim religion who blow themselves up to what experience how we're going to have one hundred virgins of my. That's on faith alone. Faith is such a powerful thing You know we talked about Hitler. Hitler was able to again With just speaking to people was able to make them slaughter other people right. This barbaric This this this hour gonNA say cannibalistic. But just say number six. He's our resident Cannibal. We gotta resonate skeptic Resident Cannibal. This man I'M GONNA lose my followers because So you know you have this barbaric aspect of humanity and again. I my journey You know I I. The more that that John Lennon got the more I see the less I know. And that's that's why I started the podcast because I started looking at all these things. I started connecting dots for myself. And I you know I don't. I don't believe everything that's out there. I had Mark Sargeant on the show the flat the the head of the flatter spaces fake and were you know. The Earth is flat. It's like I don't believe that I like I like that idea. It's cool right. The asked command is cool. Sounds COOL INTERVENTIONAL ALIENS? That's cool. Do I believe it? No you know I it just again. It's it's just like having reading a comic book or reading a thing. Is that something you enjoy and makes you? You know the mind. The brain is a muscle. You have to exercise and I feel like if you're so caught up in like you know what they feed you from the very beginning. You can't really think and I was talking to Brandon about this issue. I can't talk to people You know regularly. I can't The reason I wanted to make this podcast is to be able to talk to people who are like you guys. Because when I go to family gathering and I'm sitting down looking around on my you know my uncle or cousins GonNa come and talk to me but hey did you know that were descendants from this alien race Dionne Inaki. Did you know that that we were? We were D- Descendants from them and they look like a loss me there right so if you want to play volleyball but Yeah exactly but you know back to. I don't know I I feel I. I understand resonated with me. I understand where they're coming from because we talked about earlier right that guidance in life people need that guidance. They need something to look up to. They need something to be able to wake up in the morning and be like. Hey Listen God is good. And I'm blessed to live another day which is awesome right as long as you don't hurt children You know the Old Testament you know this child sacrifice pedophilia which It's interesting enough. That the NAS ticks Sect of the narcotics believed The Catheters for example in the Boga Mills. They believed that the Old Testament was a work of demonic beings. Right Yes yes. Yes because of all the darkness right the child sacrifice rule righteous jealous God. And it's a nonstick believable heretical rice. Oh terracing And the NAS takes believed in in in you know one's divinity that we all you know Kanye West. I am a God. That's what that's what. The Nazis believed in very interesting stuff because it was early. Christianity early was buried disorganized and at the end of the day they all got wiped out right crusades and all these different things you know the the for hundred for for a hundred years. Christianity killed more than one hundred million people and again a lot of people. Don't talk about that. They don't like to think about that you you you have. The Knights templar We get into bafflement. We got all these different things which were associated with the Catholic Church and again. There's there's Pagan Routes took her. She Hannity I talked to Brandon about this yesterday You know it borrows from all different other older religions and makes it their own and then at the end of the day who decides. What's canonical and what's not GONNA go right Who DECIDE WHO's royalty? Who's not royalty That's why I like the they're up to an overlord argument that goes you know they're the ones that picked and this royal bloodline that goes back you know for for thousands of years well and you touched on an earlier too. I take a lot of heat in the Christian community about your integrity right the view. I take the heat. Yeah that's the thing. I take a lot of heat because we talk about some of the stuff on the podcast. But why is it bad? Michael Why why are we shun? Because xactly this way you know what I mean like why am my thing is a wise man. Gets BREAD FROM EVERY TABLE? You know and that's right. Yes it's the argument educated man to entertain thoughts without accepting them. Why can't we talk so it's just just speaking this? Are you doing that you know? I don't know I'm right there with you but when we talk about it and when you get new ideas it makes a challenges which you believe so. At the end of the day you have to learn how to think like you were talking about on your own you know. And that's why I like talking about this stuff. I don't have jeff some say management but I was going to ask you one more question. Do what was I? Don't know because I've I've aspirin in about this before. But do you have a specific time that you can remember that you know you had a thought or you saw an idea that made you be like Maybe you know. Maybe Christianity isn't the only way. Do you remember a recall what that was for you? So what made me realize that? Maybe Christianity is false. Is that what you're trying to? Yeah yes so like what? I don't know I 'cause I've asked brain and before you know what was that because he kind of had some similar experiences as you did I asked him and he you know He. What was your thing that was when I was at summer in the Sun Someone yelled run. Fatty run saying Jeez. My life was ally with these. Christians are also fricken mean dude. Well that's what I'm saying. So do you remember a time where you were like Maybe this isn't for me. Or maybe there's another way while To be quite honest with you Hated weekend up early. That was one of the things that was like. Maybe this isn't for me right because I had to wake up super early to be in the worship group and then Things you know the thing about my the thing that bothers me about religion is the political aspect of it when the eight when they section you off into certain groups so either you are or you're not and then when you're not you worship Satan. It's no I don't don't thumb not stay in worship. I don't do that just just because I think differently than you. You associate me with a certain thing. And that's again divide and conquer the retailers. They want they want to divide US report. Republicans and Democrats. You know right now. The media the people who believe in the virus that people who don't believe in the right. It's all associated right. And what really you know really put the nail in the coffin for me. It's a lot of years I I didn't really talk about it. I didn't look into research and as of these past few months of my life and I told Brandon I have half a year's worth of podcast. Right have thirty. Something episodes done In in the books I want a sold six at the moment. I'm releasing them weekly and I have two shows in a sense. You know have like my weekly show that I do with my fiance and I have my main show which is ball. Weird Shit and You see my slow decline in my sanity. A from the very beginning. You know my very first episode which I recorded months ago until the very last up so which was asked. Turkoman was the most recent one You know you'll see that slow decline in my sanity as I own locked these quote unquote truce. And then what really did it? In for me was when I looked I love early Christianity. I love how I Love Theology. I love philosophy. I love that psyche aspect of humanity. 'cause they're really looks because what? I told Brandon yesterday. I said you're going to hell in somebody's other religion but they're going to hell in March two. So what makes mine correct and again the canonical thing So when I was learning about the NAS. Ticks which was you know early sect of Christianity. Those very there's various narcotics. They all very. There were the underground of Christianity when it first started right there were all underground and funny because the underground criticizing other underground right so these these lost six. Believe this thing about this and there were criticizing other NAS. Ticks which you know so. It's like a twitter war between the underground. It's like listen guys. You guys are all going to die if you guys even come out and say what you guys believe You know so. What really did it for me. Was that that the NAS six were so to. The victim spoils right. You know the victors right history. Why did the church want to prosecute and and kill these these people for their beliefs just for their beliefs alone and he can even see this? Now there's genocide is going on in Africa or other people killing other people because there's their beliefs In the world right that's such a powerful thing and it's got such a grip on people and the NAS ticks again. They believed in the self divinity that we can in essence. We are God's because we came from Deniro we remain in God's image so we have divinity within us and we can achieve and go into the upper eons and again. Wh Why is that a problem while it's a problem because the church what does the church to a brokers your spiritual awakening your spiritual journey right so you need to go to the Church. You need to pay your tea type things you need to go and and and you know. Say Your Confessions and then you have. The pope talks to God every day. You had the guy under ham talks to got other day. The guy under him talks to God. You know three times a week. Maybe and then you have the people the regular peon who talked to God every other month right. It's it's a brokered experienced book. Not only that. What is it all revolve? Around Iran was real money The Vatican the church. I feel like I feel like you have a much deeper reason why you stopped. Having leaving lost than mine. Brandon just got offended. I don't have much memory of exactly why I I like. I like to have reasoning behind everything that I do. Now that would make life so much simpler. We knew why things happen in why we do things the way we do. And it's just like when you when asked serial killer. Hey what'd you call these people Jeffrey Dahmer when I got Hungry Man? I don't I don't know you know what I mean as wanted to midnight snack right like people some when you watch all those netflix documentaries of. Im killer and they when they when they talk to these people doing. They're just like I don't know I I wasn't too fast. I just you know what I mean. It's like that aspect and and again I go deep into the and just seeing data alone. It's like wow I can see this. I can see why would be a problem because it goes against the narrative and then the other thing that I really did for me was when we go to church and we read the Bible. We don't read the Bible they go. Hey Listen Goethe Chapter so-and-so and rediscover. We're going to talk about this. And then the way people preach. It's like so this is what it means. Right and everybody That's what I mean right. Everybody's cheaper and they they they they push their view on it because the Bible is very open for interpretation and I say from personal experience because I've had conversations with people for example. My mom where are my name Did you know what this was in the in the Bible? Why did why did God tell this guy to do this? Or why did this guy chop this lady up and send her out to different body parts to different people and she's like what are you talk? That's not in the Bible. I go mom. That's in the Bible. But what testament is the test? Oh Yeah don't don't reveal testament. I'm like Mum It's in the Bible Dinner. Yeah but we don't pay attention. Go wait a minute. What so. So where you're telling me is that you guys are only going to nitpick what you want and then not only that I loved the book of. Why is there? References to a noncanonical text in canonical texts. But not only that. Why is it that an other The the Open Bible Why is the book of Regarded as as canonical? Why because it does fit the narrative. Right I mean maybe the book of Wild Bird. I don't know if you've read it but it's crazy why right and it is referenced several times in the New Testament for sure time who was Enoch Enoch was the Great Great Great. Great grandfather of no or graph are something he was related to know. And it's very interesting. Because he was one of two people who were taken to having without dying and again the we talked about these dimensional beings earlier there the reason I love the book of Nakas because it shows the origins of demons right it. It shows the origins of of the watchers. You have the NEF limb you have you know the giants and all these different all this craziness which are reference in the book of Genesis. But there's one thing the Bible has not prepared us for in a state of emergency for covert night. All my Gash. Did now I want. I know we talked about yesterday. How you don't really WanNa talk about Kobe. Because you've been talking about a lot but I do want to ask. How are people handling it in your area real quick? How are the people going? Are they freaking out? And when you look outside easy bill running around with all our toilet paper around. Dad sent me pictures from our Kroger. Oh my gosh all the toilet papers gone. All the bread is gone. It's like mass hysteria down. Here it is. It is I I live in the gun shine state. Thank God So I have this extra policy and and I've been thinking I'm not worried about the virus per Sam worried about what people are going to do again. We talked about this barbaric nature of people and human. Humans are dark dark people. You know there's the the the human mind has been behind the greatest achievements of humanity and the worst right and so. It's this duality that we have and here my stay. I'm not were were. It's brought tilde calm for now. Disney closing down on in Florida. Disney is closing down on Sunday once Disney shuts down. I know for a fact. They'RE GONNA put us on lockdown. Why because Disney runs the state? Listen once Disney's out of the picture. This new really does run Florida. Yes dude. How's your beaches? I guess that's it that's it. I'm just waiting for our four week. Quarantine or paid vacation. Well you know what? Let's go ahead and that's what's going to happen. I believe once this happened. They're gonNA shut down. And then that's I'm locked and loaded right I have So the first two and my shotgun or two buckshot and the rest are birdshot right. So what I'm GonNa do is and a man I it's awesome. I've been preparing for this for such a long time. You do well in Kentucky Ben. I'm just GONNA thank I WANNA. I WANNA thank everybody out there. Kobe shutout takover nineteen got out to John for bringing this up You know and another thing I've been wondering and guys can ask you this question for me but but yes so when people come and try and stay myself. I'm gonNA shoot them going. I'M GONNA follow them up outside of my house so people know not Come in but We're street is. You're GONNA eat them. Do if it gets to that point I might Endorsing cannibalism. I believe that we should All the files and put them to good use because they're taking up space in our jails and their tax payer money desist. Eat them and distribute them for corona virus Rations and whatever So I've been wondering one thing and I I want. I want know if you guys can answer this for me So so this virus originated in Wuhan Right. Supposedly right we talked with. There's talks there's there's all types of conspiracy theories. Oh yeah things behind the bar weapon or not. I'm curious They say that they've looked at the virus under a microscope. And they said it looks like a Frankenstein where they injected the The HIV him Kamala into it and all this craziness does somewhere on the virus itself. Does it say made in China or manufactured in China anywhere? It's actually in the little. It's the strain of molecules You gotTa Zoom in really read the fine print and it was made with China with no labor laws this. That's why it's why it's so affected your laughing about that but there are signatures that people can put on these type of things. Yeah I think when we were doing it we started Michael off on that. The ARC Ovid into that woman picture on twitter this this dude I forget it was like A. It was an Indian scientists. They had a group of scientists in India on like a forum for doctors and they showed that there is the original a different original strain of like corona are the current buyers in this Kovic nineteen basically and how it had like. It was like manufacturer with a bunch of different stuff and it doesn't seem real seems than than worse than static. There you go the cheese brandon. It's a little early and then they're talking how there's AIDS involved or something like that is there's some mash of every every disease yes because again We have the media and a lot of people. Don't even know what the fuck the krona virus does right so for those that don't know. I'm pretty sure you guys went into. Its ACTING LIKE IDIOTS. Lowering People's white blood cell count people fainting slowing on their blood pressure. It's you know it's shutting there'll their kidneys down shutting their bodies down there dying and look Italy right now. I like if it's as bad as they say right sounds like like I'm getting such a World War Now World War Z. Twenty twenty eight days later type VIBE. I love all this and again. That's why I blows my mind that we WANNA go to other planets. What have we do? You guys saw the new Nicholas Cage cloud space now about the watch that actually here soon have a review next week on the one hour where. I watched and I review parasite as well to very good movies. Awesome awesome movies So I recommend check. Don't listen to that spoil. I saw I feel like it's something I I love Nick Cage so I'll I'll watch almost anything. He's any watch. Which very very good. And and the visuals. They did. Such a good job on it with the visuals. And it's like dude. If you really WanNa like have a good time takes shrooms and watch them. We do not disclosing any. I'm not saying yes or no on this wet form but I'll take your idea and accounts feeling your age. Does any movie that anybody asks him like he said so many move? You know what happened fast too. I feel like I I s nicktator into a movie. He do it. He lost so much money because he kept bought like he bought. You spent so much money on like From US real estate he bought like a a three thirty million skull but Dinosaur Museum. They took back. He's just buying he's buying shit left and right. That was a hundred Canadian dollars and then a dispel apart. At least it got some cool stuff out of it. It was like Indiana Jones collected shit because this is money guys A. K. A. Yeah everybody does this go. Everyone buys all this weird shit now. It's funny you say that's like you know these taxis and ballers riots like those memes or it's like when you start buying stupid shit after tax. It's like like what I would do. If I was on that level I'd be like a my wife or my fiancee would come home. Be Like What the Hell is this in? The living room and I bought a an Egyptian sarcophagus in the living room. And it's a thought it was cool. Right how dope would that be held like a frigging sarcophagus? That'd be awesome. Man I've been I've been prepping My wife that whenever we move out and we have a yard. I'm going to buy a bunch of Guan us because I can't have real. Dinosaurs doing a podcast. So this guy won. I can have an army of Guana. 's that way if someone broke into my house and they're like no guard dog and then all the all the little beady eyes look at them and opened up now. They're going to be carnivores. I'm training the only people that are not me or Morgan. Or if I don't child so so come to south Florida and we with the government is telling people to kill them because we have there's invasive speed so so send them my way while I'm up. Skim some food. Can we go back to the beginning of the episode? I was going to tell you a story I am. I go stir right the weird story not a ghost story per se right but I live in Florida right. We have the Florida man. We have We have the swamp right. We have the skunk ape. You see what no no no but I have anger ants. Where so check this out? I went camping. I love nature. I love being in nature. I just don't like dealing with nature. And this whole corona virus thing going on I feel that P. Poorer for everybody would have food runs out. I Talk I said listen. I'll get my boat and gauze the middle of the lake and catch some bass and crappie and we'll eat bass and Crappie of that's the worst case scenario or sheet. Some rabbits rabbit stew is delicious or we have bore. You know first. Thousands and thousands of years people survived from nature. There's no toilet paper White Perez. Go take a shower. First of all what grass with the leaf right so you know. We went camping. I bought this really cool tent. That goes in the back. My truck and Shallow to Amazon. A Barham Zahn really dope by this air mattress goes in the back of the truck and we went. Camping ran and got into amateur astronomy so I took my telescope and I was just looking at nebulous. And when you're out in nature the the air is different. 'cause they're not pumping it with all this garbage of five gene ususally but just the air out there and and just the energy is different so I was landing my tent and it was like two or three in the morning and I was listening to the Celestial. Mr Our podcast. I'm joking I wasn't really excited for reading a book. I was reading a book by Ryan Burns because I was doing. I was going to do the skin. Walker ranch episode SOM- reading his book he and I again this is. This is the thing with all this paranormal stuff. And I WANNA ask you guys about it. What what what aspect of how much of it is mental? And how much of it is an actual thing right? So I'll laying there reading this book and it talks about where wolves bigfoot aliens others creepy stuff and here I am laying the bits pitch black I'm hearing these weird noises right. I'm hearing like these. It was a lake. Bauer was and it was like these squared knowing these birds or I don't know what it was going crazy which that's gonna lead to something else. But I kept hearing what sounded like footsteps crunching. When you have like the and I would I would like get up and look around and I was like. Maybe it's a deer or something but then I didn't see anything and I was like man. I really wish that I had night vision goggles. I could see and they were just work as a kept happening. I lay back down and then I'll hear it again like something walking around and Mike. I'll say what is happening. I'm looking again I'm looking. I'm getting pretty. You know pretty freaked out because my fiance my son receiving I'm like So then for the hell of it I google but the little signal that I did have I. Google is there monkeys and Florida Dude? Not Far Away from me. There are a species of monkeys rhesus macaques to be exact that are thriving are invasive species in Florida. But not only that it gets better wait. There's more right they are. Everybody's worried about the corona virus. Everybody who cares what I'm worried about are the HERP infested monkeys. What are going around here in Florida with a twenty percent death rate from people who contracted disease because they're biting scratching people there. I said that's what they're distracting us from the tilling over the festive monkeys here in Florida. And they don't WanNa talk about it right so these numbers at. Yeah you look it up. It's a real problem here in Florida. So what happened. Was this guy. Wanted to have this exotic island right so he brought these six monkeys right. This is back in the eighties or something like that. He brought him here. He let them go well. He kinda failed to know that monkeys can swim. He's like all there on an island not going anywhere. They swam off the island. Might get bored. So guess what what he did? He brought six more and the other six swam away into the wild and it weren't Florida. The government literally pays you here in the everglades and and the everglades the average a wild place talk about you know haven't had a Purnomo experience but I've had some like you know when you go and you feel like something's watching you I've I've I've gone out to fish in the everglades. The everglades is a wild place. I love it and again. It's it's these places with with all this land this uninhabited land which is land land land for acres anchors. That weird stuff happens right. I was on the arrogance. Time fishing with a buddy of mine was just me and him it was. We were on this canal and the fishing software is amazing and it was just these miles of canal. The gated the crocs out there the gators huge key. You'd right and so efficient here and I don't know where do we hear what sounds like a bear really just like you know like when you hear barely gone like yeah. I'm looking up. I'm looking at my family did you. Did you hear that. He's a yeah. I was like what does that. Sound like these barrows like so again. I whipped out the googles and I go and there's this black bears in the everglades. The governor the pays you to kill We have BOA constrictors Akron. We have all types of stuff in the everglades and the government will literally pay you for you to go on hunt. These these snakes right so is August stuff in the everglades or is that all over Florida or is it just that reason so there's a little bit of everything everywhere in Florida right. So it's it's a swamp. Do It's a big swamp so the everglades is just a big concentrated area where they can't build anything because it's flooded due to its swamp. It's swamped you've sold it. I'm not going. Hey you know not only how we have the Florida Man. Do like yeah. I mean the Florida Maine just in architecture. That's fine crazy people doing stuff but I don't want no Herbie monkeys. Let's look at the Scottish. The skunk ape is is the WHO knows maybe we did because those things are imitate noises other things but check this out Brandon how would you feel about that? You don't WanNa come to Florida. I don't blame you listen. This is headline. I'm going to read to you guys. I mean how you feel about this if it starts south Florida man. I'm walking upstairs. Started for my says Florida awake to find a stranger sucking his toes crash. What's going on down there on your toes. Imagine no I can't imagine insists. He's being falsely accused of sucking toes. So the the rebuttal came is like listen. I wasn't sucking your toes. Man I wasn't. You're you're accusing me of doing. It didn't do so one Florida Mansa and other Florida so we hear those stories like that. But what you're telling us is all that stuff is real Florida. You know very one. I'd get out of there quick responsible. It doesn't sound. Good one relocate crazy. I can't picture my. That's the thing I've tried. You know I'm all gone places. I don't picture myself living anywhere else. That's the problem dude was crazy as it is. Don't go to Russia. Did you guys hear that Putin? Just got extended past basically indefinitely. Pass twenty twenty four did You mean the guy who's power and murders people. They did this thing and they did this. I don't know what it was in their congress where they basically what quote Unquote Congress Democracy Yak. Suppose a democracy where they so. Evidently he was supposed to have power until twenty twenty four but they did it now to where he just going to be indefinitely the leader like. That's it so their whole government structure change. Well they're back to the king. Would you say one sounds very communistic? Go you know a monarchy or something of source. That doesn't surprise me at all I've seen some hashtags to bring in the USSR. Back Bro Waiver Red Flag. I feel it dude. It's going nuts this week. There's so much news this week. I don't even know what to do with it biblical times right so we might be the end. I keep getting talent Brandon get ready for the rapture. Bring his demon Buckton. Oh the locusts is their only parked. What did you speaking to on Egypt? The Hale and the locus than the in the flooding. He saw it yes I saw that but I was. Did you see the thing that's happening in Thailand right now with the With their monkeys. Now what because all the Cova Nineteen? No one's traveling. They have a bunch of monkeys that people feed because they're tourists than the ones being not feeding them so they're being over being overrun by monkeys. Terron crap up and just like attacking people in cars forget the Saami apocalypse it's the monkey and then when he brought up monkeys as like. The monkees are everywhere. That's what I knew it. That's what it is dragged me from the monkey pox. What is it plenty of the apes? God exists guys. I gotta go. I'M GONNA go prepare for these monkeys because there are already in Florida. Dari here. You're going to need more than just your the two shots of Buck and a cup. But do I don't know where this is going to head. I talked to people about the solid time. I don't know right now. It's literally raining ash here where I'm at I don't do. They're burning something. All the bodies raining ash for for like two days already. It's I don't know I don't know what's going to happen. I just that's why that's what worries me. The the human aspect. What happens when people start running out of supplies and and start again the book of. Eli You know people who have a frigging supply of water and they control the whole town and then you have this guy that goes around finding books for him and he's like reading all these. What was he looking for a Bible wasn't he? Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. He had a he had the Bible and Was a call Braille because he was blind. Yeah those alert. I said a little too late what that was the end of the movie but what scares me. The most about this thing is not the virus. It's the people like you said you know people go nuts with this kind of stuff. That's the scariest part and the government control what they did now. They just declared the national emergency so basically they can overrun all of the laws in order to do what's in quote unquote the best interests of the nation. Which is well the monkeys. Let them loose baby. What that's my concern. What what rights. If I if any do I have under martial law. That's what scares me and again. That's why I love the gun shine state because I have this extra policy against tyranny. Rises Second Mimic. And that's why I feel it A. That's why I feel better but again I'm only one guy right. So let's say that they do you know bring a militia and they start pulling people out of their houses. I mean I'm not allowed to fight but you know where is that GONNA lead to? You know where. Where are they going to be pushing people? What if they suspect that? You're like I was on the phone yesterday with my accountant and I was eating peanuts and I started coughing. A peanut stuck to my throne. I was like Jehovah's coughing my lungs on my time like this dude. I don't have corona virus. I'm just I'm on the peanut. What happens when people think that you're right now? If you were to sneeze on a plane you're looked at as a terrorist share literally. There was a story the other day. Someone was just like He coughed once in coverage mouth. And they're like them off the slate. They had got delayed because they had the test. Dummies like is this has allergies and he's good and then they'll take to dog hair and everyone there now. Everyone's turning on everybody because they're so freaked out so really no matter what. It's Kinda turning to a weird version of the purge instead of getting murdered. People are just getting you quarantine taking you away. We go ahead. It's very George Orwellian riot so the thought crime right so people are not gonNA suspect you of having the virus. Hey An anonymous tip Brandon I've seen. He's got a runny nose and he's been coughing a lot. I don't know about this fucking die but I think he's got a cove it and I'm just going to report this and people are going to go to Your House. And even if you're not sick they're gonNa to put you know quarantine or the sick people then you're going to get six. Oh what then. We followed these videos for a little bit we. I am looking Adam as much now on youtube called. It's it's a channel called news from Wuhan And you WANNA see some scary videos man. You look that up because right in the heat of when the all that stuff was taking place if you did have a face mask on we literally mean brand and watch the video of this lady getting drug out of her house and thrown in. It looked like a big cooler. This is a big fridge in the back of someone. I don't think it was rated. Hopefully but they throw in this. I mean it's like a I don't know if there was two or it was on youtube but it looked like a snapshot it was on. I think a SNAPCHAT I. Yeah but they throw in the back of this cooler and the other day I just watched a video of all these cops and it looked like People were trying to escape their quarantine. And all these cops were beaten them and spraying. We're GONNA actually. I've got the picture. We'll post it on instagram. So everybody can see it. There is someone who attacks on the Chinese plane the other day. 'cause he wasn't wearing a mask in la bad they get the the old police. Oh involved though You know and it's just people were going crazy and especially like countries that have. It's different for us because we have a country that has weapons and we have the ability to fight against. You know the police no sense but I don't even know what's going to happen soon. Be Crazy I don't necessary par railway. We don't know what rights do. I have debt forgiveness when it can't go to work and I can't pay my mortgage loans and my bills. Are they gonNA forgive me for that? Is the economy in a crash. There's already been a toy guns the layoffs from the you know from the Tourist Industry Chambal. Yeah Yeah they've already do the. Nba cancelled a all. Those people are going to work the season no jobs. I have a buddy of mine in New York who works convention setting up convention and stuff like that cancelled everything. Everything cancelled right now. He's out of a job. How is he gonNA pay for his for his mortgage or or his brand or his bills? you know. That's the reason why they held off so long but at the same time I said I said this weeks ago and I told my fiance. Listen we're going to start preparing. She's going to be that serious. I said yes before. All this broke out that I was here in the states. I said this is prepare and we started buying groceries. We start buying supplies and thank God. I was able to get toilet. Paper paper raised by day. Who Yeah just just clean your ass in the shower man with A. I'm just GONNA take a shit in bath up and just you know to stop it down the drain hose just going to spray it in their water back. It's IT'S GONNA be mass hysteria. I'm really upset about March madness. Now I'm not GonNa lie to you. Where are we going to say? Say if you look at what you know. It's funny because I still think it's a big of a deal. But if you look at trump's You're quoting trump's like at the beginning of this two now and. I told this to Michael Today. I saw that I was like it's just one dude from China not a big deal and then as January twentieth. And now it's march ninth and he's like this blindsided. There's no one. No one knew this is going to happen and it was just ironically funny. Because it's like everyone's been seeing it. Everyone's watching the same thing. Go Down so everyone knew Scott happen. Didn't they ask him about why he dismantled like a health hand? The pedantic thing he dismantled had a lot of people and they're not working you guys talking about Trump disbanded the pandemic yet the rookie. They did the when he did his emergency address. They were asking him questions afterwards and they asked him this question. Gut The why did you go? It's called the pandemic situation group or something like that right I don't remember the exact name for it but he shut it down. Originally they just had like so many different members they had like five hundred before But he was just trying to lower down lower down maybe but he decided he just was like. Yeah I don't WanNa have it running because you know we don't know when it's going to happen? So why do we want people just paid? They're doing nothing. I thought he said I don't know anything about that. So that's what I heard. He did say that he was like. I don't know what you're talking about lake you should probably know about why dismantle something did well. It's probably like that's like saying it's like posting something on Instagram. Someone yelling at music. Why did you post like well? Heck I don't know we post weird stuff on there all the time you know again. He's a puppet Doodoo. That's the thing that's why it's all control. Then it's all controls the narrative already written and that's why again this is relation right so there's certain things that are in a program the so the reason you all that there isn't real well when you have a program there certain these you can't do within that program unless you're the program right so it's like oh well. Why can't I do this because it's part of the program? You're not allowed to do that right. So it's like that's my argument against it. So how how tight are the Hollywood execs higher ups in Hollywood and filmmaking and all connected to the Rep Chilean's like who in your mind so like Harvey Weinstein? Can you just got sentenced to twenty three and they just came out this week. Tale of rape of two coreys about that one the rape of two cores so Corey Feldman. Did you ever see the movie loss? Boyce? No It's a great movie though. You should watch the movie but basically the it was to get kids back in the eighties And they grew up and they were the ones talking before anybody else was talking about the pedophile rings and like Harvey Weinstein. They were one of the first people or the one of them died. But one of the Corey's was one of the first people to talk about pedophilia in Hollywood And so he came out with a movie. This week called the rape of two coreys and he was going to name the person that he said was like a big name Hollywood that was going around raping everybody the guy from the goonies. I think one of I think one of them was in the guineas. Actually Corey Feldman Corey. Feldman thinks his name. You ring a bell. I want to look him up. You'll know you'll know when you see goonies but basically it was when they released video. Which was really weird at first because it kept getting shut down like he said. They're under a hacking attack or something. So other loonies. Yeah Yeah but Anyway it came out it was Charlie Sheen. According to according to Feldman Charlie Sheen was raping a bunch of boys back in the eighties. Don't believe that now. I believe I believe it. Why and again. 'cause PEDOPHILIA GOES I. It's much deeper. It's got deeper roots than just touching little kids and again it goes deep again into until they. WanNa talk say in ISM and the author of my book out of this anyway. What were you gonNA say? I was just going to ask for the reptilians onto it after a while billions involved with just the elite elites or do they touch base with all of these always higher ups at carbons like. Yeah. Yeah yeah get the you get the kids or however they talk. So let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein. So I I believe I believe they are. There's a hierarchy there and the the messed up part of all this. Is that Jeffrey left right. Jeffrey quote unquote killed himself. There was somebody pulling the strings as soon as he killed there. Was Somebody already put on the screen and somebody already replaced him right. Who replaced him? I don't know right but I'm still down there up in overlords. I don't I don't know again what what happened. The day before nine eleven. Donald Rumsfield came on. Say Listen. We're missing two point three trillion dollars from our budget. We're GONNA don't audit guess. What the next day nine eleven. Nobody ever brought up the two point three trillion dollars that they were missing were the how did it go while we don't we don't know man? I'm sorry no it's like there's that type of stuff so what was it. What was it when when Jeffrey Epstein comes up what what happened after that Old World War three Iran? It's what happened after that. All the impeachment of trump. We're GONNA impeach for no reason. They had no reason. I didn't vote. Vote you know. They had no no reason to be able to impeach him. And then that was You know that went to win. Then what's what's going on now? The Kobe right. So what are they distracting us from? It's the monkees man's. He's I'm telling you I mean if they if the woman the woman flu was supposed to be like I think when you're looking at Michael about bats being carriers of it. Maybe the monkeys are going to be infecting everybody else with everything else now. Purple Her star Beast. But that's just the tasks that's the test monkey. So let me tell you something real quick. We don't know this is a bioweapon up and we don't know what it does in the fourth and fifth stage. They're saying that people can get reinfected. Check this out. How how we don't know anything about this. How does this affect this with mosquitoes? Will Mosquitoes Bite you? They take a little bit and they injected into. That's malaria spread right right. So how did you think there's going to be other viruses that come about because of this? It's already did. Did they already have. They already have already. Mutated after a mutated so again. I don't know I trust my immune system. I've been thinking Taken immunotherapy you know vitamin C. Vitamin D. Go out to the Sun. Be They say you know the latest. I heard as if you're out in the sun you don't get it. That's nice the heat. The here's why actually just bought a bunch of immunity. Deepak it so I think I'm okay I don't need any top emergency like candy I have a kind of. We're almost the rap of time. But I have a very serious question. I need your. I need your honest opinion. How do you feel about birds? Are they really want it? I'm sorry yeah. How do you feel about tiny small birds that are on the power lines that are hanging out in the state of emergency? How many birds do you see when the government shutdown? How many birds did you not see? I WanNa Kinda. How do you feel about? We'll say I don't feel like I've seen as many but I do hear them rant. I'm just asking if you about these. Birds Brandon Brandon listened. I've never seen any baby pigeons. I'll just say that I'll just say I. I don't know I've never seen any fees. They're all adults. I you make a good point. I don't know birds are fake. Maybe just pitch hitchens. There's a lot of pigeons do pigeons and I've never seen a baby pigeon. That's just me. I don't know that's just not the monkees gone. A monkey's are probably faked. Animatronic no listen. Listen I had marks on my show. Mark Sargeant Great Guy. I went to Kennedy Space Center. Dude I looked up at the spatial and I told my friends. I said I said Bay. This is a lot of work standing in the middle of the policy. This is a lot of work for a tabby fake guys. You know what I mean like you know like it's a lot of work for me right because I don't understand rockets. Yeah it's just me right but NASA that has come up with a lot of other inventions out of it you know. I don't know I mean maybe that was part of it so they could get funding for other things that they wanted to do or they got from Roswell. It's true and that they found in the archaeological dig Well I don't know if it's came out yet but I had a I saw something about wikileaks bringing out some stuff about the moon. Landing being fake yet dropped yet. I haven't seen I haven't seen it. I feel that I feel that. We didn't go to the moon. I feel that we faked it. Because if you look at the post the interview after those guys I love it. Did the fi the greatest feat of all time right the reason I feel that they faked the moon. Landing is because Because they had a what a what do they call it. You know. Hold face whatever you want to chase you know they. They wanted to be the for America. they wanted to the best and everything and the best in the world. And there's Joe Rogan goes into. There's a lot of evidence that points to that. They didn't go to space. I you know my my thing is want to space in whatever your that was. Why are we sixty nine? Why are we there Guy Right? That's my favorite year. I think they said I think it was like. Was it just in one thousand nine hundred. Didn't they go one more time? They assume I thought it was. They did an orbit of the Moon. But then I saw that at Kennedy space planetary this this really crazy thing and then the guy's lost contact on the dark side of the moon. Right didn't talk about on the on the thing that they were showing me and I told my fiance after I was like you know I was pointing out all these different things. The NASA the dark aspects of like von Braun. John Parsons Baby. You know what this this is. This is You know the society so yeah so so they talk and I was like you know what they didn't talk about on that Obama when they're when they're on the dark side of the moon and I don't know if you've listened to. I think I know what you're gonNA say frequencies they were picking up like these crazy sound and even the end the recording there like. Hey Do what is this? And he's like I don't know. Do you think we should say something about it? You know I think we should keep our mouths shut about these weird noises that year. And what do they say? Oh it was just Sees within the the radios that were just going but if listened to freak you so so give the the listeners and I think we talked about this on the other episode. Give the listeners to assignments for tonight. I want you guys to go on. Youtube and Youtube is control opposition. Whatever go on Youtube and look up. Venus sounds from space and Saturn sounds base. And then look this up. Look up the the when they orbit around. I'm going to look for but when the orbiter on the dark side of the moon. The noise here from that which is wild. Yeah yet that the video of them when they came back is probably for me. I've seen the cliffs and then on the moon and it looks fake and all that but the thing that really gets me is what they look like when they're sitting there at that press conference they look at it. Yeah that's a great way to put it. It's it's really weird. And they look just sad like they're hiding something. I don't know maybe it's just because a lot of talk about it. I'll maybe who knows. Yeah so it's Apollo Tans Mysterious Moon Music and it makes me think about that story of. Hp lovecraft was that story where the guy's playing the the weird cosmic music and it's because he's trying to F- I don't WanNa spoil whatever he's trying to fight off whatever's trying to cut From the abyss and the and. I don't know if you read that story it's I haven't read that one man from and from Ohrid plugging us. I don't show the music of Eric. Zahn I believe is the one that yeah I look it up. It's like pretty much guy. He's like every night he would play these different crazy melody's in the Gander Him. He's like listening to him play and then he goes up and the guys he's deaf so he's like. Listen what are you? What are you playing in the guys like? What are you listening to me played no? Don't listen like move away go away. And then one night he goes into the into the room and he finds the guy dead playing this cello or violin or something like that and then he looks out the window and he just sees this something and that's where it ends shit crazy dude. It's crazy it makes me yeah awesome. Hey you know what else? They can listen to what they can. Listen to the one hour. Can you tell them how to find you again? So my podcast. I have two shows one on podcast and then the one hour which is something doing my fiance for current events. And just random shit that I bring up. You can find us on social media at the podcast my website the one hundred podcast dot com. I'm on all platforms any major platforms in the smaller ones as well and you can reach out to me on Instagram as well and Like to hear from people like to meet interesting people. Have your piece of Shit. Don't reach out to me. Well we did reach out to you guys. I did you did. Yeah we tricked you now. You know well we really appreciate you being on man. This been great yeah. I had a lot of fun man. We should do it again. Well that's this. Is this APP episode after our. Thank you guys for listening to celestial mystery. Our you as always you can check us out on instagram. Celestial mystery our on Instagram at C. H. PODCASTS. On twitter our website is such a mystery are dot wordpress dot com because we do not afford a website. Go on our But that's pretty much it. Well wait a minute. You forgot the most important part of what since you go story. Oh yeah email. Issue Ghost stories at celestial mystery our podcast at gmail.com. I get it. It's long it's Michael's Fault. It's too late to change it. It's already too big to fail. It's ingrained emails. Stories are interesting things like want. He didn't have a ghost story but he had the herpes monkey thing. That's still interesting. 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Astrology Special (Featuring Amaris)
"I-it's malls reminder before the show to make sure that you are subscribed in apple podcasts. And if your new, welcome to, please advise nation are so only works for your participation, so call three two three four five zero seven four zero eight with your dilemmas and lifeless chins again, that's three two three four five zero seven four zero eight or Email ask, please advise, at gmaiLcom with your voice notes or emails. Thank you, and enjoying. Welcome to please, advise guys were doing a special one off episode all about astrology guys ask all the time about astrological questions. And I know what I know and it's not a lot. So I decided to bring on someone who does know allot who can speak about it. She's not, I don't know this isn't her job, but she's more fluid in this language than anyone I've ever met before you guys. Welcome, my friend Marissa. Hey, America's high guy urine knowing NADA professional, but I love that, you're the person that I would watch stuff with. And you'd be like, oh, like on this episode of Andrew pump rolls or whatever you'd be like. Oh, a Britney sign is this. And that's why this is happening. Jacks is the blood. Like you always knew everyone signs on every show. We watch and I was like that is so crazy, like the Kardashians view was a real experience. So it it like totally on forms, my viewing experience. Like I know all of the housewives fine, I'm like, oh, my God. Ramona's acting like legit Scorpio right now. Like. All in my head somehow, I don't know how I keep track of, and you were gracious enough to take a look at some of the questions that Christina sent over today with more general questions about you guys is like signs and stuff like that. I have a couple of letters, and we also have a very important call surrounding something that is just taken over the world in the last few months. I would say that I love that right now. You are serving as some Tricia pages realness, because you're eating Domino's with no Brooklyn style about everyone's astrological signs. It's written in today and image just for everyone the my bed. It's like is just papers everywhere, with, like, messy knows it's very Aquarius. Nearly guy elegance psychic medium, almost you know. I have lots of psychic energy, I've been told by psych clips, three different of told me that I totally would believe that about you, because you're so you're, like, one of the most pathetic people. I know it's like crazy your capacity to, like love and care about people, which is like crazy thing because we have a question about Aquarius, folks coming up that wasn't line up with my experience. And I'm sure yours as well. But I wanna talk about what I guess this call is about. We're gonna play it in a second. But this is surrounding the whole James Charles. Jeffrey star Taty Westbrook drama. I'll just start out and play the call. And then we'll take it from there. Okay. Hi, mom. So, well, first of all, I've just learned that listening to the show and like, why does everyone do the preamble at the beginning? And it is awkward to go right into question. So high most Christina and guests, I suppose so recently, there's all of the James Charles drama going on. And I just am meeting malls terrific on it a little bit because I feel like she will understand where I'm coming from, which is so I am always involved in the youtuber drama up with it lately. I've just it's been a lot after especially Jason about. I'm having a hard time with everyone. So kind of left the whole the're James and general, I've always found him to be like very motivated, and good at what he's doing, but you're at hating, but he has also you know, nineteen years old. So with this whole, exposing thing, which. I don't need to rehash if you guys want to do that. But he's getting exposed by thirty seven year old woman right? And for essentially, you know, doing sugar, fair hair sponsorship, and I just end which that in itself would like fine, and I feel like the her going on her little Instagram was like one thing, but to make video, and like knowing that it was going to ruin this kid's career and have like she knew that was going to do to him. And she often knew the success, it would bring her to talk him for I really expected when I thought trending, I was, like, what is the I thought we were going to get all of them? So all of the tea and really it was, like she's like he's said some dirty things at the dinner table around my family like he's nineteen. And like for you to even consider. That you have a friendship that you're ending with nineteen year old when you're thirty seven is just kind of like appalling to me, I already. And if she chose to do all that behind the scenes. It's one thing I just found to like take down this kid's career like I'm just experiencing this empathy. For him even though I find him like relatively annoying, and it was just happening a lot in the canceled culture thing there's people who I can't fans but it's hard to not this one in particular is just like this is an adult woman, and I really thought we were going to find out some crazy shit and the street boy thing. I I'm surprised at the street white women thing. This day kid talked about how much she wants trait boys all the time. I'm kinda surprised that the whole road was running that. And the way she's thing he said horrifying things like as in talking about the blurred around her. It was I I understand. It's, it's annoying and not. Okay. And like say that to him. Him. And then maybe stop hanging out with a nineteen year old like do you all those things. And it's not to say his behaviors. Okay, but I'm just to take him down and know what that would do to his career and just his his everything. Okay. So I think that we should give people sort of like a overarching idea of what's going on a up until this point, we're getting this call gazette Drago has into new to unfold. Currently it's may nineteen when recording this it's like one eighteen PM in so jammed in understand, we're giving world youth right now is has been up to the minute like this is not every time you refresh like Twitter or YouTube or whatever, there's a new video from someone and the story like completely Morse. So basically, this beauty influence, our James Charles, you may know him as the first cover boy he has really blown up over the last couple of years. And he was put on blast. So does. Feve or basically publicly like had ties broken with this woman, Taty was broke who's like one of the original like OG back in the day adults now, she's like an older woman. UD YouTubers and. Taty has a reputation for being very classy. She is very like, you know, measured. She's very graceful with sort of how she speaks that is like her reputation on what she's known for. And when James was just seventeen he had reached out to Taty, who was, like thirty five or something at the time. And, you know, they sort of struck up a friendship, she saw him as someone who's really late changing the space in shaking things up. And she really took him under her wing like she flew him out to do her makeup better wedding when he was a, like dropped from his cover boy contract, or whatever she was continued to work with him because he got dropped from all of that because of like his, I like cancelled moment, which was tweeting that he hopes he doesn't get a bowl or something when he was on his way have. And you know, then there's also this element. Of Jeffrey star who sort of like this overlord of the whole community on who has ever had an internet connection probably knows Jaffrey star is if you'd been on social media, at any point in your life, you probably know who Jeffrey star is he was like thinking of my space. He's outta music rear. He was always out, you know, hanging on d he had like that sort of, like he's at guy with makeup was icon, IQ from my space, also always known for being really scary? Like buying like his own thing, always be like I'm going to like cut your dick off, like berry like like on attack in, like he kind of like enjoys that, like vampire, which he sort of reputation. He has right. Yeah. You also is built like a huge business like on his way to be a billionaire level business with Jeffrey star cosmetics than his other investments, which apparently range every. Thing from, like a merged company that was selling James Charles's merch in his now not selling. Jane. Charles's merch to, you know, apparently, like it really in deep with the medical marijuana industry. So Taty runs this vitamin company called halo beauty. Okay. And James Charles, accepted a last minute sponsorship, at Coachella for a security guard from sugar bear hair, which is remember when competitor and let me phrase, this very simply to say that, like sugar bear, harass her number wearing competitor. But she is not sugar bear hairs. Number one competitor, like adult I in I understand, like I understand her aspect of the business to, I also, you know, so anyway, she puts out a Snapchat in at saying that, basically, it's kind of cryptic, but not so cryptic saying that, like you really can't rely on your friends. She was very hurt and it was. Right after James posted the Sugar Ray hair thing, then all these other scandals start popping up for James. He is like, you know, running a tour where he's selling five hundred dollar meet and greet passes, which is an absurd price by almost any gigantic artists standards. And he doesn't even really have like a trade you would take on tour, and then like a couple of this guy came out, this guy came out saying that James had pressured him into a relationship, so then that happened. So like everyone was like, whoa. This is like, really bad for James Charles. And then in the middle of all this touchy drops video sort of exposing him with I remain thinks she had like receipts that you showed on the screen, I think she just said her receipts were fat, and she made the afford Bennett, video, basically explaining that James, Charles really like hurt her as a friend, someone that she took under her wing when he was young. He. Came to her. And she does say I think we should emphasize this at her husband said you are like camonte like you're obviously not really best friends with a nineteen year old and she was late. She was like, no, like I know I'm not best friends with him. But like I'm mentoring him and I feel like kinship towards him. Like, I feel like you know, a spiritual drawn gem, you know. And I said that makes sense to me that actually does make sense to me like when you work until in any industry you work in, especially if it's a small one like, you know, people could argue that beauties, a huge industry, people could argue that YouTube, a huge industry, but in reality that sort of leg Ben diagram of where that falls. You know there's only about, you know, fifteen people that are in their club, you know. So they're like, in terms of long lasting in major brands, so I can definitely see, like that, that relationship like when you mentor, someone when they're. Working with you and they're young and you know, they're kind of fucking up here and there and you're going, you know, they're on, like I loved them like, you know, that was a disappointing behavior. That was a disappointing whatever the situation didn't exactly go the way that I would have hoped it would have for me or that person, but they're young when you do, like excuse making for someone eventually, like you do start to realize, oh, maybe this isn't maybe this is just a personality defect. Maybe this is in their youth. It's like actually who they are, and who they're turning into as a person broccoli. I think that, like, he got humbled immensely in there's this other thing over here where there's like Jeffrey star who when James came out with his video this week, which was really insane. I don't even know from explain this, right? Like once taught you posted her video James, Charles lost over three million followers in if anyone does it know what that means. That's masses. That is like beyond three million followers is the greatest loss that, that has ever been seen in YouTube history. In one day, it it's insane. So, yeah, record breaking and Taty gained four million followers. So people were coming out of the woodwork, and, like, let's also remind you this still means that James has thirteen million followers at now means the Taty has gained over ten million, which is an entire us YouTube like milestone, you get your diamond play button for that. It's like another level of, like royalty within the platform and Jeffrey star when he was like completely outed, in James's video that he came forward with where he's like, I'm not predatory toward straight boys. The way that I'm being accused of, by Tocci because that was a huge point of hers. She's like you've got to figure out what's going on with, like your head in where you're out with fame and your priority is because you're gonna get yourself in. Trouble. If you have people that are coming out against using I felt uncomfortable with the way he treated me like that's an overall bigger picture thing, that you need to look at right. So I do agree with, like the overall idea of light. If. Of like someone with a young man like attracted to only lesbian women, because he enjoyed the challenge of that, that is, that's a troubling comparison. I think a lot of people are like that's out of control. I don't I don't think that she like totally made him this judgment about that. Although I will say that people are very quickly twisting, it into a lot of homophobic stuff. Right. So then are really road on the James Charles is predator thing, which was a huge mistake 'cause, you know, he at first started to come across, like, yeah, you know, we're putting James in his place. I stand my girl tatty she is like an OG in the beauty community in. It's important note, acknowledged back the James, the Jeffrey star in tatty are both in their thirties in James is only, you know, nineteen about to be twenty so I do see like a benefit for some of the older people to be like, no work. Your to stay like. We're not going to be boxed out by a kid, who's acting Brad. Eighty right. It's so FOX, but. Nope. And darkly I could see that being Narendra journal conversation. Right. And when James defended himself you showed all of these texts that Jaffrey suntan that were really harshly worded and meant to strike a lot of fear in someone Verschoor. They wish Gary it, Dan deputy, star, like careful. Yeah, I would not want to have him as so all of that said, if you guys did not follow that at all, which, I would not blame you go check that out. But we're going to get into that. Now in America's is going to sort of break down the charts of these people, and how she thinks they got into this mess et cetera. You wanna like, like who do you think is the best person to start with? Maybe taught you hockey. She she kind of started this bit. I didn't see the only thing I haven't seen is her original maps, or whatever. But I've seen everything. Oh, yeah. She'll snaps are very like they're very like, nothing at this point. And if you watched your video, you probably saw clips suited her in her makeup room in chooses, talking directly on Instagram like stories or whatever saying, like. Hey guys, like I'm really disappointed in a. I just wanted to check in remind you guys that at the core of everything. Like you are my brands like it was very like it was it felt very lonely. I did not feel manipulative. It's felt like. Like if I could just if I d like impaired to my own behavior, like what a place where I would be would be like very raw emotional in reactive, but she's potties. So like it comes across that much more forlorn, and like I guess, like she's. Composed. So yeah comes across much more composed from her because she's just stepford esque him posed. It's crazy. So looking at her chart and says, well, I'll start by saying, I'm an Aquarius. So I'm a little, she's an Aquarius as well. So I'm looking at this through that one, I'll admit but. She's an Aquarius with Scorpio moon, which is kind of wild, those who'd not mix. So she is very prideful has a lot of selfish fast and someone who tends to be a leader for spirited, but very stubborn and the Scorpio moon is, like, really what could be her downfall. It's. It has its positive. I mean. The good thing about Scorpio Mon is there's lots of compassion there. And when you have that Aquarius son, balances out, and you can use the Scorpio moon, not compassion to like, serve society. I notice as well that she has. She has. Conduct Jupiter, which means she's very happy fought. Bueller generous looks at the bright side of life. Very good, nurse nature charming. And also this brings out a maternal side. So this whole maternal thing that she has seems totally makes sense, and she's a German, is, she's an Aquarius. There's a natural senity between those two signs. They're both air signs. I'm I'm not surprised that there's this. I mean the way you described it. They have like. Like, yes, she's older, and it's not her best friend. But there is this like sincere relationships there. That is really genuine. I agree. There's like something to them, where I'm legs such a weird out of the way that I like, sometimes look at people. But like you playing together as babies, you know what I mean? Yeah. Definitely. I mean, like we have a bit of an age difference, and there's just like we like naturally just vary. Like click with each other very easily. Absolutely. I mean, we'll like in also the other main thing that I think the like between us it's different is that we're not. We don't also share a feel like a profession together, you know. Yeah, we're not competitors in our field. And I think that in a way, people are overestimating the importance of that in underestimating the importance of that, like, I think that she could just genuinely be hurt by. Him as a friend in the business part of it doesn't help because their self respects thing that you side is so real. Yeah. And I mean, with self respect comes like this. Self-righteous our that you can like it's, she's should very careful about her pride. And so is he he has. He has his Pluto and Sagittarius. And that's a placement that can tend to actually, but they also hate being humiliated. They kind of share that in common. They're both very prideful people, you know, he has a moon Burgo. She has moon in Scorpio Moonen Virgo for me. They're like super hard to figure out. My dad has moon in Virgo, and I never know what he's really thinking. They're good at communicating with. They also hold back a lot. 'cause and he's a is like he's got this sneaky, constant vibe going, and it's like hard to read with him, like I watched the video, and I was just I'm also someone who like I just like believe anything when I watch video it was like, oh my God. This is horrible. I totally have. Right. I'm a little too, like I, I can fall for anyone's like hitch that they give themselves. You know like if they're like this did such a great pitch. You gave us a helluva pitch. But so did talk to you. She did. But like I found him much more compelling. Like there was something about her that I can't figure out. That is like maybe it's sad stuff for wives thing, like she's so composed that it's like. I don't know creepy. It seems a motionless. Yeah. And I mean, they're also coming out from such different points of life to that. It's I don't know. I thought it was very interesting when she called his mom because right? Like he had he was underage when he moved to LA he was a minor and, you know, he even calls Tachi mom like he calls her her, and her husband, mom, and dad, whoa. You know, basically she made this point that I thought, like, you know, I don't I couldn't see myself saying this to another woman, but I could see someone saying this to my mom when I was younger, which is affected Li like come collector boys, like Bob to you know, like, I'm going to respectfully hand back this favor. You asked me to look after your boys. Back and say that you should be here with them. And there's something to that. I think the James still does need to be mothered. I think he end his younger brother, who was living out in LA with him, who's only seventeen like their day, our kids that have been given a net worth allegedly of over eleven million dollars. And in a very short amount of time two years ago, James couldn't pay for plane ticket. So now, you know, it's interesting to think about how, especially with the sneaky with the Gemini with Virgo you know, money will change anyone. I don't care about that expression that says, like money, just amplifies your personality like to extent. But also money is the root of all evil like it really is an insane test of a person's hair Dir, but also like their limits. When you give a person who is that young in amounts of money that could leave him set for the rest of his life. And if invested. Directly leave his grandkids set for the rest of their lives like other Colonel money. And I just don't I don't. I don't see with his personality that it would have meshed well, and I could see power getting to his head very, very quickly. And I did think that there was like some basis. And in a lot of reality in his mom, who I guess, is being public on Instagram in, like leggings sort of tweets, put liking comments that were kind of putting Chachi down. I could I could be seeing that like frustrated as an older woman like I'm watching your kid. I'm you know, I'm watching you hit on me on Instagram like come collect your boys like come. Definitely his is healed. He's supposed to be like, I know he is very mature. And I can see that they're both very about presentation like, you know, out of all of the beauty YouTubers that are out there, I would say, like, of course, the, you know, Nikki Dettori -als, the James Charles of the world like they have a more elaborates add up, and it's very professional, but James anti in particular present themselves so cleanly, they are so visually clean. They are so filtered with, like, different blurring filters, they both use. They have berry, you know, sort of specific ways of speaking, Taty was, like quite famously, I think, in this video, I think this was like a big Meam was the fact that she said, dick in Kach, when she was repeating a story about dinner, and everyone was like, but low key like the most shocking part. Of this is that toddy said, Kach in like he absolutely. That is absolutely. The most shocking part of this. I think it's because like they voted present he's very controls images in with. I, I guess my question for you is James presents himself as someone who's very much. Sure. But I get the sense that he is incredibly childlike and is not masking. Is that a little bit of him being inbetween? Is that Gemini, what is that? It's definitely heavily Gemini air sign have this ability, who? Like you said, he's very put together. They're both air signs. So airlines have this kind of mass club, they put over themselves because they know they can get away with stuff. They're very smart. They're very. Intellectual. And I mean, I would look pant James's info there's this website called Astro team that makes up the percentage of their elements. He's thirty six point two percent air, which is insane. That's a lot of air, and then he's got thirty four point five percent earth. So it's such an interesting combination because Aaron earth like do not mash, very well. But there they do both share certain similar similarities, which is this, like very controlled kind of way of coming across, and they, they're not good at letting people in the then he's also has this lightheartedness to him. And like I said, he's got the Pluto and budgetary which is where you get this childish behavior from they like. Are not good at taking accountability. They like gloss over there, eyars. They don't think related. They're very childlike. So he's got like a bit of both. And then, you know, when you bring in his German, I it's more about same. Same thing where geminis? I mean I somewhat I won't get ahead of myself. Oh, leave up for for the one left a comment about geminis, but I'll talk about that later. But yeah. So he's got this thing where he's like super mature, but he's also super childish, and I think you can be both. I mean, over, I know from, like, for myself as an Aquarius Aquarius in nine are very similar, like I'm very mature, but, like using catch me during the dumbest shit. He's, he's, he's gotta be really careful because he has an also just like Moonen Virgo. He can like fall into addiction. He can fall into really dark times. So I, I worry about him. I when he likes set in his video that, you know, he contemplated taking his own life, kind of eluded to that. Yeah. I mean that was like, really sad. I I really felt for him. And there's some where it's hard there's something really dark about this whole thing. Oh, there's something for sure dark about it. And I think that, you know, one thing that we're all sort of doing is taking all of these master manipulators. He's historic master manipulator for taking them all at face value. And I do think that there's been something conspiratory. Oriel going on here. I think that this has something to do with Jaffrey. I think this has something to do with hockey. I'm going to be honest. I think Tati is very easily manipulated, because I think that she comes with a very open heart, and she does want to help ball. She is eager to be light. She is eager to show love to other people via part of a community. Like I very much see that from her at all lines up for me like not even as on that, because that's further. It's funny you say that because you're literally describing to a T, what an Aquarius is goes are all Aquarius, qualities. Yeah. I think that, like I just I get all that from her. And then also, if you put on the facts that she's Christian, she seems, very family oriented. I do I do buy into that. I think that she could be someone that is like very easy to use his puppet. And I think that. That there is something to this, where the older people in the community are like Heacon bounce back. Like he is always going to have more time than we do. And those things moti Shane Dawson has been involved to what do you think the deal is with that, because I don't really know why I, I know that he's doing something with the beauty community that series on Jeffrey star. And he's like friends would Jaffrey and Taty. But I know you was also friends with James at one point. So I don't really know like what is like, what is his puppet mastering involved here, because he definitely shouldn't he, he is or not being this, you know. Weird. I mean he's another. Oh, gee, as you say, I, I, I don't know. And I don't know what his friendship was James Charles. I have kind of stopped following Shane awhile ago, but I just noticed when I was like trying to recap all strong that he was low key, you know, tweeting report for Todd T and was like very involved with Jeffrey right now. But what do you I, I don't know? I can't figure I'll I just think that life seven bowl, then I'll is the person that you just don't want to be involved with on that level of Jeffrey star recalls me and said, hey, do you wanna get in on a plan together? I would love to, but absolutely not. Calling me the like I used just like I feel like he's someone that you just probably shouldn't roll around in the mud with. I don't know. If I mean, it could be this could literally be. I know Shane as and misses fucking gin spiracy. I know that chain is doing a series on the view community. It would be fascinating. If this entire thing was scripted to get everyone more views because God, one thing, I realized is that if Jeffrey in James like came together to do this, in some way were Jeffrey was needling Todd to step forward and say something and like it would all equal out like were they all are is that James is still well above thirteen million. He helped Hoti is now at ten I think that, that would be. Small price. Dr the redemption ark is very interesting for James. I don't know. I just think Jeffrey has like a cockroach leg survival ability to be forgiven over over again. Like I don't know like there is a world in which I do think that that's possible. Like I do think that it's. Like I don't think it will be the most unheard of thing. I you'll be like a caper I think it would be a bucket. You know, once in a lifetime thing. But I think that, that would be a really brilliant tool to show, how cancel culture in the community works, and my, how people just like swipe each other down all the time that would be fascinating to me. I just don't know if that's at. I don't like I feel like Shane probably. I don't even know if he knows everything. Yeah. And I mean, like I literally woke up this morning, and the first thing I did was like check Jeffrey stars Twitter. His tweets like have me so Shug and, you know, I know I like. I'm leading or something the half air 'cause he so dramatic. Like did you like the way that he words sayings like the way that he talks accused huge editor, like there's a reason why he banned from our house. It's so what I have to say is in so sick in so disappointing. Hells me, but because it's like dynasty level like just like overwrought drama. But the unfortunate thing is that these are real people like these actually there's consequences to these words, I was wondering, did you did you do his chart at all? Is there anything that like explains sort of way who this person is? So I didn't get a chance to, but I started doing it right now when we start talking about him, he's a Scorpio. No surprise. And I want to lead his mercury because that's how you speak, and it's in Saudi Terry. So that's totally explained like the drums, the like the dramatic and also like just this like, elevate Shen. So what else he would exaggeration, you know, Sagittarius they're like very playful signs. But they're also they be liars. They stretched the proves kind of thing playful is very interesting. Like, if I like have a visual image of like Jeffrey, my head, as like anything buddy human, it's like a wove licking its chops like. Out there. Buck in sharpening his knife. Like like that thing where it's like, I think that this is playful to him, like, broccoli playground for him. And I don't know if that's because he's safe with his money. And so he can kind of afford to fuck around a bet or, or what this is, but Jeffrey, always seems like he has nothing to lose to me, which is fascinated athletes so much to lose. He is like. He's in very Scorpio, in, like a lot of Scorpio in chart. His clued always liked. Look up people's kudos sign Pluto, is wait transformation and power planet of death and rebirth. It's end of everything. And, and his is in Scorpio just like his son. So he's kind of like a full circle person mortal is what you're saying, basically. He comes across his immortal. That's totally how I would put it. He's the one to watch like I'll just say he's the one to watch hundred percent or worse. Jeffrey stars on have your eye on. I think we've all known that we continue to know that I I'm not absorbing Audi of like her since here, I think that it was it was this whole thing is very dark in incredibly unfortunate. I'm also not cleansing James Charles visits here, I if I had to pick a guilty. For some reason my ass is picking Jeffrey star in. I don't know why I just don't think it is. Either one of them, like I don't think the root of the issue is James or toddy. I think that there's something much bigger going on here. And I think we all know it. I don't know what Jeffrey is gonna say he claims he's got receipts up the ass James said something. Very clearly said these are defamatory comments, which I think, is a winger the lawsuit, you know, Janson Ethan I was shocked at Jefferson. I mean I'm not shocked. He does whatever he wants but can even tweeted about, you know, James's younger brother. Now, what seventeen I know like when he was like your brothers? So hand tweeted something like he was like men wise. Everyone, so tough online and like allegedly again, it was a tweet about, like on a bully from his high school, okay? Because Hannah still seventeen years old. He's literally kid. He's still in high school. Probably like one line. Hey school now. But whatever. And you said he like Jeffrey, quote tweets them and says, why is your brother predator? Goes you. He goes, you know what you've been able, why don't you tell everyone saying move back to New York. Okay. Gluck. He always, does this thing of like creating a mystery. Yes. And it sounded like James tried to fuck his brother like the way. Yes, the way he laid he was to be like. Oh, no. What did James duty in like, why is an era of his brother being a predator? Why is back in NYC like the like the fuck happens. I like I honestly didn't even like lawsuit seeks is when this all talk jobs. Right. I, I didn't really. I didn't watch the video. I don't want anything until Jeffrey involved in the way like this is like scary. What is going on? And then I watched everything, like all in one day. Which was like yesterday. So this is like, all fresh to me, but it took like crazy ass jeopardy getting involved for me to like. A he has so much influence. There's just something about influence. I know I know he's really scary. He's really. I love the point where driving home. He makes a bomb setting powder. I have been. I thought the setting powder guys he'd on me all you want. Okay. Everyone's evil. I wanted to try thug and products. It is a bone harder. I mean the thing is like Scorpio's. They're not on gives like there's also a quality to them. They're very magnetic, people are just attracted to Scorpio's. And that's like one of Beverly positive qualities unless you use it for like eagle. Jeffrey. But you have this very good. No, go ahead. I was just gonna ask, like what do you think about Jeffrey and gay men and Jeffrey and women because I feel again away the predatory stuff from Jeffrey was kind of ironic to say the least as his boyfriend identifies as a straight, man. I got it was in which, by the way like you can figure that out. I don't know what that means the Jeffries boyfriend identifies as straight man currently Jeffrey was the first person a first man that Nate had ever been with in Jeffrey, doesn't he does the he? She 'Lion thing he literally caused like he's gender as an alien he says, so I don't know what that means. I do know that every asked his saying that he doesn't like to hang out with women. He would rather hang out with the broS because women are. Women are knowing amok, Shas than it's the same reason why he doesn't really like other gay men, because they act like women, and I think that there's something there when it comes to sort of some of the more homophobic, is seeming, like seems elements of this underlying stuff that sort of being pushed in the fandom iding that also like the way that taught he is looking now is not that favorable. And the meaning how we numb is Jeffrey in some of the things that he's said to James about how he was gonna have, you know, he's five different straight guys rollout individual videos, saying that they will by Jane's, predatory nature, led by guys, I can not stress enough to you like as I'm saying this like I'm laughing because it's this will thing is ridiculous. Like it's it's like somehow lake the weaponising of all these release serious. Things had a good exit funny. Like it's it's like so many serious things. It's like next thing we know like, you know, fucking Jeffrey is gonna come out with video saying the James tried to get him to hire a hitman like we're a level ten now of, like where is this gonna go next? They deserve a secret black face video of James, like, does he have, like what the fuck happened here? It's all insidious all the characters are just like so unique. It's so true, what do you think about Jeffrey, though, in the sort of, like what seems to be like, women hating, also, you know, homophobia, within his community. I don't know. He's kind of like in a lane of his own. I like you said with like him not identifying as anything like he's like this Alleyen. Thing. I, I know she feels above all of it. Anything you can in the only person he cares about is himself. Definitely one hundred percent like it being ages works in his neighbor. He'll use that being homophobic works in his favor. He'll use that if you know, manipulative anything. Yeah. And I now insanity thing. There's something so fascinating about that to me. You think he's like a sociopath. I mean, your words not mine, but absolutely. Fine point to. Yeah. Because I think that, yeah, there's something really interesting going on there, especially when you reach a certain point, you know, you don't need money like that anymore like you don't need to you. Don't need to hunt for power when you already have so much power. I think they continued hunt for powers. Very telling to me. Because he trying their make up. What did you say is he like the Steve Jobs of makeup? I don't know Steve Jobs of makeup. Yes, that's exactly low keys. Steve Jobs was not agree guy. Okay. Let's move onto some of the more listeners submitted stuff. I feel like we did some good work on this James Charles Jeffery saw for star Taty Westbrook thing, I think that these developments will continue to happen, so quickly that this'll be terribly out of date, by the time we Guinot Ryan, I'm this aired is in terms of the storytelling. But I think that this is great. I'm obsessed with infidelity this guy who does tarot card Redan, and I had you watch his video beforehand. I wanna give a shoutout to him its aunt for diety like Anthony in emanate Aphrodite mixed together and for ninety. He's very I loved his potty video like him alluding to like her possibly have no controlling husband. I end like that because I. I love her husband, James. I don't know anything about him. He's just like the way she described him sounded really sweet. Yeah. He dislikes. He's aware. He helped out it will be jamming. Yeah, it will be devastating to find out that he's like a master manipulator. But then, again, we all know that people are fucking crazy. So who else is fucking crazy? And we have talked about. I know we want to close this chapter but Gabriel the Maura. Oh, yeah. Like, really, what's his deal? I don't know. He'll, but when I was watching that video that you told me to watch he mentioned, the third party that could be the one leaking this stuff is like definitely a water sign, and gave her the trees. So that tries and what he was getting out was like James has been loose lips with someone. And this person is a water sign, and we know like James and Gabriel has been talking about talking and stuff. I don't know. We'll see what happens someone in the comments of that video said that Taty is stepson is a waterside and I was like I will if it's taught you stepson. I will kill myself like I'm Gary hotline number James b. Be that I'm sorry if it was top. He's son Tyler, I would run off a bridge. He is so sweet, I like. But I stand the west were boys I love Tyler and I love James Westbrook Todd. She's husband. So I'm just check them out. I don't know this family. They're just so nice lake in a way that you can't fake like nature the way that they interact together. Like you can just tell that they're nice people, and I don't and I don't think you can fake it. I think that, like you would all have to be Oskar winning actors to fake family that interacts at kindly with one, another really have good nature. Charming generous rights hit of life written down for Todd g on my. No. Yeah. I mean there we go. But yes, you guys keep all that great those great nuggets at Ameris shared with us today in mind. Has that story unfolds because this is all, yeah, I think it's so murky. It's so murky going to continue for a while. So we got some emails tax one says, hey, I was wondering if you could ask if to libra can ever successful romantic relationship with each other. Sincerely, libra with Virgo moon. I love this being heard the answers totally. Yes, one of my closest friends, though, libra and his wife is brought they just had a baby last year. They're like the pin me of like such a happy couple. There's a lot of signs that if like to cancers together, that's just too much drama. But to Liebers together, you guys both know how to communicate you guys probably will talk way too much. But you guys are both ruled by Venus. That's the plan of planet of love. So there's like intense intimacy they're emotionally and physically. The only thing I would say is that libra or also ruled by Saturn and Saturn is very cold. Air lines are very cold and libra air signs. So you guys might struggled to break down that wall. But as soon as that wall comes down, like you guys have got it going on, like Labour's are fun. They're chill their charming adventurous understanding. See the only like worst, qualities. And I think you guys could easily work through these or that the Bruce can be like, no, it all, and they tend to be like, overly mature, fix very concerned with other people's opinions of them. That's their biggest downfall. I would say they, they're also very easily like manipulated and stuff. So make really have like one of those weird couples you know what I mean like. Yeah. Like a frayed people talking about them, and they're like earned, Dan and self. Fish in weird that go bad. I could see that. But it sounds awful. Yeah. No. For the most part, I would say like that is one of the combinations of, like same sign that would be the most positive. That's dove. I think it's so sweet to that, like, I don't know if I'm projecting on this. But typically, when I ask questions like this the world or of psychics, or of astrologist, or whatever I'm asking, because I'm like, really, really hoping that a relationship someone I really like will work. Yeah, it was acute work. My friends. I hope so too. I the Virgo moon is interesting like me said, our boy, James, Charles has this Burgo moon. But oh, you know what? That's interesting. They're both air signs of them. Maybe you share something in common with Jan. You might be a little sneaky. Yeah. No, I would say you guys have a good chance to learn to not care about other people's opinions. So it'd be my main advice. If you wanna buy including her significant other, or the people around them. And the people around them. So lightly around them might not think they're right for each other. But, like not over think that. Not necessarily just about the relationship just about everything. Because then like your entire character comes into question when you're so easily swayed by the things people say, like they they'll change for people like, LeBron will become anyone, you want them to become but. He your greatest gift is just stay true yourself and not all for that. Yeah. Yeah. Girl, why LeBron's, your Tedi works updates as update us, if you guys get engaged or something, you know. Okay. Here is another question from our mailbag. Why do Aquarius is get ragged on for being heartless and emotionless in what's your experience with them? You are. Do you have? Do you have do you have experiences with Aquarius? I mean is I'm going to speak about you, in particular, like you're one of the most loving way, warm balls of light, mushy people. I know it's so interesting. Because I wonder what the sign of the person who is e mailing this is because or, you know, maybe she's an Aquarius and she's worried about that or. Yeah. You know, she she might ban aquaria. Yeah. I mean, I will say that, like just reflief like an overarching thing is like those names that are going around, like where they're like, this is you're not, if you're like this is the clip from I love New York. That is the most like your design, you know, I think that those are very like not to be taken literally at all. And also the like swayed by the opinion of the person who's making them. So, you know, the way that I- mouth off. About Leo's all the time on this podcast is more under percents, everything to do with me and probably only ninety nine percent to do with Leo's. So. A one percent me projecting. To try to answer her question. I don't know. I wanna know to a fellow Aquarius. If you are in a Chris, because Chris are like the humanitarian of zodiac like we literally are here to like serve the community. But there is this is a cold streak to Aquarius where I could see them motionless for come out, they because they're so in for the greater good, they can cut off the personally. You know like. Like I master to die for like the rest of society to live. They will like murder that one person. Right. Right round. Like they have that ability. They're, they're very rational people, and they can be. No, it alls. I know growing up. I was like, no at all. None. You know, a chilled out, and I was like, not good luck, but Aquarius can be no at all. But other than that, I think we're like very chill very loving people and we're very FedEx so at grew and every single sign like is described by its negative traits, as well as the positive and the negative traits when they're written down can be very harsh. It's why I actually got off coast are because I felt like that AB had like just was like, not working for me, like literally every single day. It would be like bad air. It'd be like, good area, nothing and then he like. Areas of crisis in like it would be like work love money. You like oh, so, like my whole life is falling apart. Thanks coast on. Also not helpful at all. And I think sometimes in astrology like people, you know, it feels very, it's very personal when you're reading it and sometimes reading certain words aligned with your persona can feel extra harsh. So I don't I don't I mean that is so not my experience. View ameris. And I'm sure you know, Honey guidance like the Aquarius is like the help that makes total sense that makes total total says. Yeah, I don't know why Aquarius is our out. You're getting ragged on. I think we're all getting, you know. So this is from a friend of this show, they right? I'm a Scorpio the last year or two have been rough is a bad time for all Scorpio's. Or is it just me also? What's up with that newest frolic shit? It's hips your bullshit. Is it hipster bullshit? Or is it legit because under that unlike of sucking walrus or something? You know, it's so funny because he's saying, like the Scorpio's a walrus enhance a scorpion. Wait a minute, like that. Okay. So this is a good question. Like, basically, like what do you do? You think there's truth to the overall like idea in world of astrology? Obviously you do. But maybe this is a chance for you to sort of build up that in a mall. Get to the Scorpio part of it. I grew up like even when I was younger it was my sister got me into it. She was always into strategy. So like way before like if came trendy it was always just something we were into. And, you know, like my parents are pastors. So I think maybe we were looking for, like alternate things to believe in because we weren't into Christianity, and it was being hammered into us. I think if we believe, you know, in the moon cycles, and how the moon affects the tide like that's just a why can't we believe that, you know, and, and things in space, have this direct effects on us. If we're composed of, like what, what is it like ninety nine percent water? Some shit. Yeah. So I feel like you can make that argument there. And. I do believe in it, it put in regards to this question I do have like a rough time answering it because. When it comes to like. Tracking stuff. I'm not like super in depth with that. Like I don't really know how to answer that. I'm sorry. What in terms of the Scorpio aspect of it? Yeah. Like how they, they about the last two years or so. I would recommend them. Go do what has to like, go on a website and find their progress, char inclined to see where they're at. Because when you look at your progress chart, it shows, you where the planets are currently like it might not be in Scorpio right now. It could be somewhere else. Personal question. That's like major like affects for me. When I found out later like oh, you are blank was in blank for the last two years. And that made again, the financial issues or the, you know, fear or whatever that you've been experiencing like business Ben unstable because this planet was out of here for a really long time like that. That makes sense. I do find good who are friend who wrote this in. I will see that I find horoscopes to be incredibly comforting to look back on. So if I were you I would take this time to go read your maybe last year's in review on, like Susan Miller or something. Visit Miller used Miller has a great year in reviews. I don't know. She still nursing and those were all out goal for me to look at because they'd be like, oh, this is around the time I was moving LA like. This is why this energy was born. So it helps sort of more to like look back on it for me than it does to really like, overly anticipate, and that could be like a fun, part of astrology that you could explore on your own. And I guess you could also answer your second question with that. And see what's up with this new astrology shea may be you'll want you in it may be won't you know, but it's never too late to start. I know for me. It's very comforting. I love her, but I also don't use it to dissipate stuff. I more like both as well. Yeah. I agree like it's, it's very light. Just I think also this could be my Capra corn. We're actually going to have a cap on question as I can, but for me with my Capricorn I feel like I would rather into all possibilities than like holding hope out for one or expecting one outcome to happen. Like I think that that's very damaging thinking, just in terms of light. Oh, like I'm. Gonna hope out for this in wished for this like this is going to eventually happen to meet that person. Mike. No. Like all that happen in life. You still have to make them happen like these are over on for what's possible for you for lex success for work for love for whatever. All of these things are like. What's possible in that time for you and best possibilities in like you have to work to make your possibilities happen? So sometimes they like putting false goal ahead of you is very like it can be damaging, you know, told him or so. Matty, Cesca wants to know famous cap reports I share a birthday on plunder. Mom eating under, mommy, Queen of Glendale, Sakaba corn is share birthday with George Foreman. So an Elvis, Presley is a famous cap record. I know Zoe Dacian L or business partner was also a Capricorn as well. Do you know David David Lynch is my favorite came as Capricorn? Good. Who else David Lynch is my number one Elvis. I knew the comp record. But to be honest, you, you really are the number one, you must have return. Your the ruler and die. There's on me. Though. I this is my Molly spec in crazy. Because her friends, second build what you know, she's has she a famous Capricorn young guys. I'm almost famous Capricorn note not. I mean not Ryan seagrass. Whoa. Kate middleton. No. None of them. It's me. Molly for sure. I don't think Kate Middleton has her own matches. So I sure you beat her. That's true. I mean, everyone Rodley Cooper, like means nothing compared to me in this town blue Ivy Carter. She's a nobody. Trueblue Ivy was born during my birthday party. Like the guys it's about me, it was choose born during my birthday going the only non thinks blue ID was born during her birthday. No, I was at my birthday party. When I found out that blue, I was born on January, which is also on Elvis's birthday and an issue the guard before him. He is a Capricorn baby. She was born preempted Virgo. So the fellow or it's so interesting. Good. I was talking to someone this week, who was Virgo. And she said like, oh, I've always felt so connected to you, like, and I want, like, what's your sign, and I was like I cannot believe Virgo likes, like I, I was like I don't like anyone. Thank you compliment. Because I don't go on this planet aided me. So I appreciate that. What's up? Virgos early. I'm gonna get some hate here, but I, I don't care virgos are nasty people. They just hate everyone. They hate everything thin, live like an Abed of a scusi where everyone. I just don't fuck with vertigo. You are like more, so like this is the other best part about astrology as like literally Orson has, like an irrational. Elamine Burgos, national like it's like it's kind of rational. Now I stepped in shit awhile back because IRA Madison third came on. And I you know, he made me, make some statements that I've retracted, he did not make me make. But I'm running the idea that IRA force me into this statement. And it was Aries our trash, and I also forgot that is a lien Leonardo. When I accepted this statement that he brought in my life. I sat in I take it back. I am also an Aries rising sign so it doesn't like a few are maybe that's a little self hatred in there. Maybe it's pleaser in me that wanted to say that, I think Aries are trash someone writes, Rachel, gene rights, wire Aries trash Lang. I don't think they are, but I don't think they are either actually love areas. But I heard a story for what Aries are actually draft. Oh, come my, my best friend is an airy and he okay, one time we snuck into this abandoned building together and out of nowhere these, like hip bulls came running at us barking. So we're trying to escape this abandoned building. He gets to the door I through the door and slams shut right in my face. That's San problem. That's oppressed. This Aries in a nutshell. This are all about self survival, and is it means killing their best friends, leaving them to die with hip full tearing them apart. That is not saying of him that is not very Aquarius of him at all. That is seen in thing. And that's why Aries our trash, I could being like as an Aquarius being so hurt by that. I mean you. So hurt that I even just like said it publicly on a podcast. It's no, like ten years before I my ex was eleo, and we heard like a rumbling by the trash can one night. We were like outside. His trash cans, like were kind of notorious or like ten notorious known all around town for being the treasurer. No, but homeless he were always in his trash, they would get off at the bus, stop, like right by in. They would like hang like hideout by the dumpsters. So we start to run inside and the fucking locked heavy door. Like they're like, literally, the steel door slam shut and he walks me outside like with this homeless alleged homeless person that fire sign. I was like, what are like, literally, you're my boyfriend's like whole? Is. Get me. And there's you know what I need is good. I was the one who I heard the noise like me at the years like. It's an not is like one of those moments where you're like, oh, it's because it's profound. Yeah. Like leaves you on the other side of a door. That is a profound moment for sure. Like I think about it all the time. And like areas, Leo's sanitaire. It's just fire signs in general. They have this, like self survival mode, that they go into, and they'll always choose themselves over anyone else. I think. Well, funny, my God. That's why Aries trash. But we love them. But I you know, why is an Aries my best friend, I doesn't areas like gotta give it up to a lot of areas out there. Yeah. I love areas that might only God that doesn't Aries my dog says, Mary, too. Oh, that's such an my gay best friend. So. Damn fucking dogs and gave us friends, gotta keep America. So many mills writes, why did geminis get such a bad rap. Because of James Charles. I'm kidding be actually because of Donald Trump. And now of. Cognate was. There's lots of people have pets. I love Germanized. I'm kidding. I'm an Aquarius. So I'm you know. Fellow heir sign and I love my ear signs. And Jemma is act. Like Germany's up there for like being one of my favorite signs my grandma's a German. I and she is like such a sweetheart. I don't know why John is are. I mean I do because they're fucking crazy. But they, they also have such big hearts. And I don't think people talk about God enough. Yeah. I think that anything I it's so interesting because, like geminis everyone already has duality to them, and then, like, geminis is on top of that are like known for like an additional layer of that in for everything bad about it. There's also good there, too. You know, in as someone it's so funny that Christina listed these questions this way. I wonder if it was intentional because I'm a cat on within areas, moon in voting fuck it. He put my shit on blast. She put my shit. Yeah. I will tell you like I cried when I found out, Gemini, was in my chart was, I always had such, like a bad feeling. Gemini is like film in the stomach. When someone I hold me in just it's kind of fucked up like the, you know, there's you cleared, I the one who told you that I think it was you, it was you or Chris Medina. I think it might have been you. I remember telling you, that because I don't know, areas everywhere my chart and I thought that I was a statutory us in the new told me Gemini. Yeah. I think you I was like, really like upset when he's old. I remember that. Okay. So we have someone from. P. H O, P, A day, it says, am I a real Scorpio, if I have almost no jealous feelings in forget, slights almost immediately? I e not vengeful. Well, I would say, we've got look at your full chart 'cause your son sign doesn't define you. You know, you've got you've got so many layers to your chart to look into that probably. Give us more inside. If you really are Scorpio's. Yes. Do you have that kind of notorious jealous streak and berry bunch vengeful, if you're not, I'm figuring you probably have like a really chill moon sign like, like, maybe an Aquarius moon or something? That's, that's what I would say. Yes. Sure, real Scorpio, you just probably have have other parts of your chart that are not on the given you're not Unger. Jeffrey star like yellow all over the place. It's so funny that all of these questions are like the characters in our story. I know it is we the query is, we've got the Gemini and Scorpio. It's so interesting that like it worked out like that, too. Like I mean, I'm sure Christina gonna give her some credit here. I'm sure she planned this quite a bit. But damn. Yeah. So. Then we get a very desperate attention seeking Email from. Days. The goal it says, can we take a look at Leo's area tides larger than life, selfish limelight lovers versus something like that adjacent? I'm not terrible. LOL. I'm not terrible aloe. But I assume that this is a defensive statement. Let's take a look at their stereotypes for, for everyone's mental health. Let's examine because I have people on this podcast for years. But at the same time I. I think someone has to be real with the Leo's about who they are. Okay. Yes. Leo's can't help themselves. They just love making everything about themselves. I've never had Leah is not like that. But I will the thing in Leo's, they're also like very, they're very warm people. And they're caring and kind hearted actually Leo is the opposite sign of Aquarius. So we are, like, you know, to have the whole play like Aquarius serves the community and society, and we owe serve themselves. themselves. But also, they, they serve people. They, they love to serve people on an individual level. You know, like they're about person to person whereas Aquarius of society. So we have this ability to like make make someone feel special. They know how to do that. They know how to care about people. They're very loving. They're not all bad. Why I, I saw much. I'm I'm a sucker. Really actually lovely. Oh. Yeah. Did you I said, why do I need them so much? Because I, I have to say like two year lasting like I have a soft spot for Leo's to your people that have fucked me over time and time again, like just along like always just like never found never were good. Friends in the long run, never were long relationship partners in the long run. I know that Capricorn bring a lot of impossibility to the table in their own way. And I'm just wondering why is like, there's nothing like I would say not attention seeking about what I'm doing right now. I'm hosting if I can podcast. I enjoy as well. I don't look down sunshine. But like why do why is it such a shit storm for me in a Leo? You know, I mean it's interesting because you're moon is in Leo. So I wonder how much that comes from your moon being in Leo and moon is in Leo. You're moon is in Leo. No, an Aries. Are you? Sure I thought it was an area too. So that's why I was confused when Leo kept coming up. I'm a Capricorn Aries. Gemini? I that's what I thought because like I always tell you, you're like my mom. She's the top of corn, son Aries moon, but every pulled pulled it through Chari kept saying Leo moon. No really, I don't know. This is Jack dob. Let me I did it on several different websites, 'cause I was getting like all your info. I can't live like this. If it turns me, oh, again, I'm going to need that suicide hotline number. This is. Well, I even confused though because I know that you had an areas moon. I was like where did this? Every, but I tried. They say. But it's like I literally printed out your chart from, like several different websites, and they all gave me Leo moon. Oh, and I was I was confused because I've always known you to be an Aries man. I'm gonna hand for the FBI. Yeah. Let's call the FBI fucking wait. Jeffrey star, put my shit. After this. He's already like he's streaming this to Calabasas somehow. Aid someone. Would not be surprised if that's the level. Alone assets. Jeffrey star. Glendale, fucked me over. January nineteen right? Ten oh stupid. Okay. So you're not Lioma this total. Okay. Good. Okay. She's prize, you. You sent me a typo in your text message on some. I'm literally just turned autocorrect on miss me because I've always been like I'm not using. One's gonna tell me. I was really disappointed because I was like, you know, I always oh, you and Camilo and my friend, Lydia together as my Capra porn areas people. But like, you know, my mom's Capricorn Aries, and I just like seek people that have my mom's I okay. So good. Typo of me I will say that's airy. I was really confused. I was like, when did this happen? Did we talk about nor Jaffrey star paid for my moons move? We have one last question also from Cassidy's ical, who went straight into the Leo thing to just writing this sentence, Bruce, Willis and Demi Moore. I'm sorry in wrote after note from Christina, I suppose they're asking about the charts. I don't know. Are they talking about Leo's, Bruce Willis and Demi Moore Leo's away? I looked is vote. Willis is a Pisces and Demi Moore's Scorpio. So they're both water signed and not only are they water signs. I looked up there elements like what they're dominant elements. Are he is forty five point seven percent water, which is insane? I thought that was crazy. And then I went to look at Demi Moore and she's fucking crazier. She's fifty seven point seven percent water. She's almost sixty percent water, which is in sane like these two people must be like so highly sensitive and passionate and like insane. Is there mushroom episode about them? I believe there is. Yes. Guys mushroom, God ADA Gus Chuck it out. It's a shot out poise the best until I got to meet him. The craziness of you the one day that toys ever in L A's, also. To LA. It's like bam Mo's like wonderful his thing that's ever happened. The stars lines that day Honey that was magical. Sure. I feel like we recorded for so much longer than we were supposed to. Did. We have a lot of stumps Sykes. This was incredible you were amazing at this America's. On. Yeah. You were the bomb sooner link your social media in the bio of this. If we don't do that, then she didn't want that. But Ameris you gotta come back to do a thing with Christina cash to thank you so much for being with me for doing this and tell your sister said, hi and enjoy the rest of your pizza in a big from a police station. I'm sure guys. Thanks for sending in those questions. In what a gift. Right, they were fun. They were so fun. I'm you know, God, we talked about the James. So all my God. I just checked my phone with bated breath to find out, whether or not completely out of date already in thankfully, John toys, not dropped any bombs on the Lord's day. Is it still the black harder the most recent tweet? Oh my God. Let me shock. I'm like every time I go on his profile it's just this lack heart that he tweeted last night. I deleted the Twitter opera my phone. So really thought I was doing something for myself. And yeah, but I've been Daryl iding in through the web, browser like a maniac. It's like what early alike. It's like any other addict like finding loophole like. Let me some good just the blackheart. Okay. Well art bitch. His heart is black in new set it for the last. I love you so much. You guys make sure to reach back out at out to us about this. We may, we can do another episode with you really soon in sort of answer. Some more questions from the community. Yes, that's so much fun. This is awesome. I love you girl. Let some I'll talk live you up. Oh, okay. Okay. Mommy, by Honey bee. Well, stay well in by talk to you soon.