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34 - Stephanie Klemons, Broadway Performer/Associate Choreographer
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Everyone, welcome to page to stage a conversation with theater makers, your hosts that's Brian, and that's Mary join us as we focused the spotlight back on the theater to uncover their process, we speak with folks in the industry that often aren't heard from such a stage managers, producers, crew members, marketing professionals everything in between. We hope you enjoyed this episode. This season football your time with NFL, game pass relive all the action with full game replays resort again with. Catch every snap in just forty five minutes condensed games. Learn from the pros with Dome sessions while she resumed Mr Tesla and get access to the NFL Films Archive. GO TO NFL DOT COM slash game pass to start your free trial today NFL game pass where football never stops Hi My name is Stephanie Clemens and I am a Broadway performer I am Broadway Associate Greg refer I am an industry director, affair and I love the arts. You wear so many different hats and I can't wait to cover hopefully as many as we can in the time that we have here. But I wanted to start at the beginning of your Broadway career back when you were dance captain for in the heights. So how did you land that opportunity is sort of have a different entrance into the broad community nothing most but then you know what I think the sort of way that maybe like a youth with think of the way that you make it in I did dance growing up it didn't really compete. I was in a studio that competed when I was like eleven near. So ten or eleven did like local competitions on that one year, and then I did some competitions like eleventh and twelfth grade but I never really did NYC DA circuit, which is kind of the way that a lot of broadway dancers, sort of meat and blanket of the world and so when I. To New York in in started really auditioning I've got my equity car bomb bay drains, which is before that after Bombay Dreams might I sorta like? Back, I actually started auditioning for in the heights when I still on tour. So it was like taking red is home from Seattle going to the audition on three weeks in a row, and it was my first time as an official equity audition. You know Andy was like, did you come from because he had never seen me which is not a that happens. You kinda like every little dancer from when they're seven years old and so. Probably, that worked favor because that was exciting. You know it's just like something fresh. So I met him at the audition heights and we kind of just let connected invived. Immediately we had some really special experiences which discussed quite a bit. In a number of interviews, the not to sort of be redundant for the folks that are listening that know me but there's like sort of famous on pivotal story Haitao about my final edition for in the heights, it was the third edition as May third red eye back from Seattle where the Bombay James was coming to an end and I had a call with four ladies. That's how you know you're sort of like it's your third call back was only four people laughed i. knew there were two positions open in the show. So have fifty percent of US forget And It was Rosie Lonnie Feed on men Myself Karla Garcia one other woman why actually can't remember her name Andy Todd? All the things taught in all dance calls and then he decided she was like they were in the middle of the work they were doing the dance workshop as it happened and and they were looking for one more onstage free zone when sway their only swing and he was just choreographs that just finished the opening numbers I'm GonNa teach you is a little piece. That which he now that I know him, he just loves that he loves to put fresh free atrophy on dancers. He loves to give conditioners inexperience in like how thrilling to like learn brand new number that he just choreographed. So the a portion of that and we did it in my group's knows you to go usually do like every variable group of the four of us, and then he's like, let's to one more time I'm going to do it with you and he picked me Rosie. And he was like I get any I'm gonNA, jump in and do it, and we did it was Ab- section of the Second Chorus down. That will at section of. At we get to the end of it and he talked to step to the right in I don't know what happened like someone came in hijacked my body I've started the last step of my left leg and so it was like you guys y'all. Can't see me so rosy an antifreeze in the middle, just down stage of us at all and so I went my left I had no choice. But to like make a traffic pattern between them, and then Andy saw that happened in the step you know goes to the left goes to the right goes left freezes. So I went to the left they went in between them. He saw that happens when I went to the right he went up siege of me and then Rosie notice that we were all going in different directions. If she traveled to the left, he traveled down I traveled to the last. It was like court choreographic. It was like it was like the equivalent of Andy and my relationship is extremely platonic a lesbian he's married. So I can say this, it was like dislike orgasmic graphic create experience because we just like in the moment created this thing and I'll never forget it and he and I sort of started working together from there on out he's GonNa kill me for saying that we had an orgasmic creative. All the time I say thinks he thinks I'm so hitting some so odd and he always makes fun of for being eccentric in and I'm like anti you chose me and he's a shoes you got chose you for me clinical out. The world shows you but we've had a experience like that ever since in that actual traffic pattern is actually what ended up being in the final Broadway production of the show. We got calls like literally I was like not even at the subway at Fiftieth Street which like Mars Twenty one, twelve or something right outside the Fiftieth Street when one eastern one, nine and Bethany knocks from Chelsea casting call me and she was like, are you sitting like not sitting? She's like you got the job and it was me and rosy looked it's January, just. kind of like stoked and just decided to dance. The best is like a little gift and and Yeah. So I met. Andy not three weeks and we've been working together ever since and I hope when I hear this back, I, don't regret the telling of that story that was sort of like a juice. You're more intimate way than I've ever told it but yet that's the story. Intimately and juicy on. I love that I always her an audition stories, but I always find them even more exciting when the the story teller is so into it. So thank you for sharing that tidbit. Hello Walter Isaacson here over the past couple of seasons of this podcast, we've shared the stories of some of the greatest trailblazers of our time. Walt Disney was very much an innovator not only was he charismatic he was an American institution and a star. Walt Disney was Mount Rushmore. You'll hear these stories and more on trail blazers and original podcast from. Dell technologies. So. How did you go from that audition to being cast or hired as dance captain while I was definitely not the dance captain until well into our off Broadway run in that was sort of necessity because IOS who much of the broader world knows now was playing three. He sustained a minor back injury that was say minor because it was not like he broke his back, but it had him out for weeks. So on off. Ron Weeks is a long time. When you have no swings, there's one male swing and I was the only female. The male swing is Michael About Rama the legend, and he was dance captain of the show and he was on stage for six weeks. It was I a week and then three weeks. Okay. We can't go this long without a dance captain about someone watching the show and early marriages who has a fierce TV career kept getting pulled. Call to do these other work and you know when you're rubbing, you're not making much as she was like I gotTa. Do this other thing and we had to find a replacement for her just temporarily to jump in and out 'cause I did not cover grandmother. There was like an internal cover that covered the grandma during Montalvo allow and Doreen couldn't go on like it story Masan and I'd be on for. Doreen, anyway. Long story long we need to dance captain and there is zero precedent for an assistant dance captain off Raby contract at that time when I was doing that show. So they were like there's there there is no no contract for that. So we're just GONNA make up a price this price and I was like you have got to be kidding me they offered me and was like so ridiculous. It will we give you five dollars me to work on thousand extra absolutely not and I recognize offer contract raw working for You know much less than what I'm probably, but I was like, absolutely not offend me and abuse me like that. I mean Goodman you for for at that point in your career, even being able to advocate for yourself in that role because I feel like. There are so many stories out there that we hear just you kind of just talk and then the next thing you kind of use that piece of knowledge in strength if you well for the next time. But yeah, well, it I it cost me my agent the time I had an agent and he was booked. Bombay Dreams for me and he did not help me get in the heights. I got that myself. He stepped out of the fight and Matt has been running theme. The A lot of people in the industry have the best intentions but there is a very strong fear around ensemble members even agents that you can't push things other people take the job and at the end of the day when you're in a position like for example, on the position that I was in there. I could have held out for so much more like it was I was doing them a favor by holding out for the number that I was asking for do you know what? I mean and I say that you know sort of carefully because obviously I love the producers of in the heights or the producers of Hamilton I love Jeffery sellars human being creatively as his crag refer fly but you know personal relationship side business is business and at the end of the day if you are. Lucrative lead profiting off something, and then you're asking me to go ahead and shine your shoes while I'm doing the work not give anything while that's just doesn't make any sense. So I held out for a truly a nominal fee y'all online, not talking major dollars and they gave me less twenty five dollars. I was like that's on your conscience you're going to hell for that. So Karma, at least I got something I, got a part of it but if you hold out for that twenty five. Good for you. You know. So it was just an anyway I became the dance captain. That's the story of that and I was the assistant dancing. Then we moved to Broadway became the Co dance captain and Michael I shared the responsibility though I will say he was a thousand times more. School than me in the World Broadway like I said, I took a sort of convoluted circuitous route to Broadway and so I didn't have all knowledge that he had and so he taught me everything I know in that way but yet will be we became co dance happens once we got to. Would you say that that was the first time that you experience being on the other side of the table you know auditions and seeing the casting process from that side? No. Actually because I have this weird string of becoming the choreographer of things prior to that point to like put it in a nutshell when I was I went to like a performing arts camp boxer shout out of shock on all the summer camps that are disappearing in. but I went to a summer camp and is supposed to be a counselor dance counter got to camp showed up the first day went to the dance department. Later, the dance where I had always been a camper not. We overbooked the dance we're GONNA. Make you a resident of musicals I've never choreographed musical in my life. I don't do these. I didn't do musicals. That's my son if you can hear. I didn't do musicals growing up. I was really only dance her and. Maybe. It's. The one thing that cove is taught apparent is that you can't edit your children out of your life especially when you work from home so I'm used to it so. Listeners will be too. That's okay. Great. So I I found myself in a position where I was choreographing musicals I haven't really had much experience with it and I kinda update in. So I was casting the musical's nineteen years old casting might might. This campers in the musicals that was my first experience and I was like that's off I ended up here. No big deal and then suddenly I'm. pre-professional sort of immune I got to be cancer, but you know then I moved to New York after college I did some Robert shows and for a number of reasons like the choreographer from one off Broadway show decided that I should be the Associate Karagwe I. I didn't cast that show I was suddenly in a position of creation power over the. Rest of the cast meaning like I had a little extra something additionally I did another show that was gonNA need tours, children's show thing wherever for selling decided that I should be the associates I became the associate and so when we were looking for replacements I was casting last one graph was in an off Broadway show I probably David. Virginia and then the crack forgot another show that was bigger. He left the directors like Usua- Corey in on is you should choreographed the show so I was I choreographed it and I was in the next Jones ended up. Casting that show as well and so I I had truly like I had no intention of Raga for the guy had every intention to being a performer just performing and enjoying that life and it was a kind of like this thing that just coming up. So it's funny when I became the Damn captain of him, I like to bring the story full circle. I was like again like what the heck this is so crazy. Okay and again like I don't every time, they don't know what I'm doing like I will figure it out I. Guess because here we are. Way. Oh yet. I when I was directing and choreographing in the heights for the Kennedy Center when they called me to do that job, I don't even know how that came up. Honestly I can't remember the origin of that. But I have to say I've felt like who am I to do this and also because I had been put in the position to learn new skills, I have already seen myself in that way. So while I definitely struggle I think like every artists I'm GonNa go ahead and assume that every artist does With the impostor syndrome that we sort of hear her right where we feel like, who am I to do this? Do I even know what I'm doing I also because I've seen myself. In Imposter Syndrome land I know how I deal of it and I know that I figured out and so I would say this is the thing I'd say to. Students were now what's you know sometimes when what some advice it's just kind of like the voices in your head never stop it's just that you get used to them and you learn how to talk back where more than them and so for me, I feel like that has been yes do feel it but also there's a fear around like choreographing when you're in her show inevitably in the three week process, they write a song and you have to throw away scrap everything into work knocking four months choreograph number overnight in your hotel room. That happens to all of us every single time we're opening a shell out of town. or Broadway and and you know the first time that happens you wanNA poop yourself and you're like, is this even going to be good when I go into show them, you know it's three am and then it's becoming six am and you don't even know it. You're not like I haven't slept in the voices just rolling you're headed rolling in enrolling, and then you get to a point in your life or your like. Every time tanning enrolls around agreed something every time it happens. So yes, the voices are screaming but what you'll be better with some rest, you know what it's going to be. Okay. If you have a first draft and not your your final after whatever it is. So yeah. I. Think it still happens. But even if you have like a set plan going into hersal like so much of that can change just with working with the actors right I mean I'm sure you've experienced that. Being in the room as a as a performer you know getting to I mean you did it in your audition within the heights of you know you make one wrong step but that step lands at into the into the next iteration of whatever that number is. So there's so much of trying to kind of like let that part of go of yourself I would say but but yeah, totally aging point I, think as more experienced we get is artists in. The more tools we sort of put in our toolbox one of those tools is the letting go and not feeling like you have to walk into reversal with a perfectly finished products. Probably, you're GONNA shut out a lot of creativity that way both from yourself and the people in the room it's really report. So then what are you looking for in the room at an audition in the folks auditioning especially when you're casting it on sambol good humans I mean really. Like. When people walk in the room? No, you don't see the person right away but oftentimes people walk in the room and they make an impression like the way they put the bag down the way they walk in treat other people if someone's in their space in they give them aside I I don't miss it I don't forget and That side I is GonNa come up when you're in a cleanup rehearsal and they don't understand the note and they're annoyed and they don't want to take it and so. Similarly conversely the person who someone standing in front of them over and over again, and they just keep making space not in a waiver being being stepped up in a way that they're like. I'M NOT GONNA. Let you like. Affect my you know Mike Mike Chill that actual person's GonNa show up for you when when curtain goes up something goes awry Unai have to think on their feet and So ultimately a lot of things can be taught excellent teacher. Is You know you're all about the materials and the ingredients that you work with and the active teaching it is such a huge portion. So when you have excellent teachers, you can really mold people. But. You can't change their constitution if somebody is made up of lots of black clouds that black clouds follow you to your shelves. So truthfully, the first most important thing that we look for one of my professors in college used to say all I. Really Care About when I'm casting a show is who do I want to be in a room with and spend time with for four weeks? Like number one thing. So I've never been able to share that on the podcast yet. So I'm glad that you brought that up because it's so true in a lot of people when we have them on kind of talk about just being a good human and that's what makes you get a job and another job at another job. Yeah, and when you're the dance. Captain, it's not four weeks. It's can be three years you know, and so oftentimes in Broadway shows, it's the dance captains in the associates running the show and bear they don't get to walk away after four weeks. So it's like really like who do you want to hang out with for a while and make art with and the one thing that I would say the? I noticed pretty quickly in my career I spent probably like a year sort of auditioning like pounding the payment like everybody and then you know ten months book that Bombay Dreams Geoghegan than I than I had in the heights and I sort of was working with like you know at the time people who would become like really the upper echelon of the industry like I. Watched them kind of come up and there's one difference I can tell you about the way that it feels to be around people who are not gonNa make it. I'm just GONNA go out there and say at people who do make it, and that is humility which is almost like it should be opposite right because the people who are not GonNa make it you'd think. They'd be so humble and wanting to learn. But it's like it's it's never like that. It's always the opposite and it shows up in the audition room like the difference of the feeling you have when you are non-equity and you're walking into an audition at five am the people that are around you is like. It And I don't know because I haven't been to those ideas taxes maybe the human race is changing I. Hope we are, but it was like I'll never forget those regional auditions were so cutthroat and people would like saying out loud you're good. They are stretching over there. You go to like an agent call for a Broadway show where everyone's been in three or four Broadway shows nobody's showing off everyone's like how are you? Oh, my God who did so great doing what they need to do keeping your head down in like I'll never forget when I was ineffective with Edina Anthony Demons on the. Shawn's and James later on in just probably royalty was in that show Jenn. Colella. I've never ever in my whole life worked for like in a more chill space there was no ego in the room there was no ego Michael Grefe. Tom Kitt Brian. Yorkey. The names just. And it was like I was a joy to go to work just create an you could mess up in like you know I had these lines and they weren't funny and so bomb much be funny and he's just like they just like they cut that I. It, just like. I didn't have to prove anything it was like, okay I do land that part those lines are not going to be in the show you're going to do other things in the show and like. Thing with Dean, we kept working this opening number fourteen versions and I'm so sorry you guys have not landing it. She just like it wasn't like she wasn't proving anything. She just was there to do the work. She was just as imposter syndrome as as she probably wasn't her first day of of of rent off Broadway. That's like the extended version of what you just said Ryan like it's just true that there is a situation where you find yourself in you're suddenly like. Wait a minute like known trying to prove to me have in my ear. But I'm actually at the top here. So it's it's kind of. Wonderful and awesome in crazy. So I'm sure it's so grounding to especially for anyone specifically with if then if they are making their Broadway debut of dislike. You know that kind of deep breath of just. Okay. It's GonNa. Be Okay like it's not the end of the world so I love that. Yeah. I don't even think we have probably gave you that show I don't remember I. Don't think we'd maybe some replacement or something, but it was such an old group of really moved that show it was like I know improvement. On yes. This story was beautiful and yet Larry Keep win it. He did school stop but it was you know. It was really humbling to be around that and also like. To be reminded 'cause I don't really announced good at that competitive thing. I didn't compete growing obligated. You wasn't really my style. I. Kinda just like to come and do my thing generally take the you know non traditional route two things. That I never really feel comfortable. You know I never really thought comfortable like musical theater audition wearing heels in the draft snatches MSU easy can also beautiful makeup on was never really something I'm so good at it. So when I finally Kinda, not finally I mean I was very lucky i. Booked tonight's quite early when I kind of was there like, Oh, I don't have to be something. I'm not the guy could just I could just be me really that's also a testament to the world of Broadway. Yes. Bri- has a lot of issues as we all know what I'm so grateful that we're asking the hard questions reckoning plumbing in. There so much more work to do. And additionally, we're not looking at a Broadway that still just telling all White Oklahoma story we're looking at a bra that's asking, how can we expand and maybe you know you don't wear musical theater dressing characters, shoes yourself a story to tell and so I think that we're growing and expanding. So when you realize that you know the the character shoe, the the shorter dresser just addressed in general. When did you realize that was not something that you had to put on for auditions that you couldn in fact, you should be what you're most comfortable in. You know I always felt. and. This is like nothing to bring onto the drag community but I always felt like I was dressing in drag when I would go to an audition like. Wearing those things and I had had some. Advice ahead, an agent audition early on in the agents feedback was leg I. Know You're from New Jersey you should fix that it was like something along those lines and I just. I. Went in thinking is a cool look setting himself apart and she basically was like girl I'm not gonNA. I'M NOT GONNA. Be Your agent knows beer agent because unlike good. Great. Thank you for helping me find out the road that is not for me probably direct me to the role that was for me. and. That really hurt me. So, being someone that never really felt comfortable in those shoes I just. Like I'm just not good at this. It wasn't even like Oh thank goodness I don't have to do this. It was like I would put out, put that garb on and just be like I'm not my best self like I not GonNa Sing my best melts American dance itself and like yes, you can actors acting but like that was like acting to be an actor too. It was like too many hats on hats so far from my authenticity that it just any sense you know what Iran auditions now and I talked to some people who just don't book Hamilton whatever casting. The right to now always encouraged break if you have questions or why this young on instagram wherever? We might, why did I get it and I'm like it's just not for you and if you WANNA keep working to make this shoe, fit your foot, go right ahead, bind your feet, do all the things you need to do. Fine you still might not get or we can start to focus your attention on the issue that will fit. You can start to focus attention on her bosses you do fit in and like I know there's this whole thing like well, maybe you don't think so but maybe if and easing the room or maybe if different Damn Catholic. Sometimes it's a matter of opinion most of the time you're just not right for the thing and I know I've been in situations like I auditioned for wicked and make it like the last two every single time and I never booked wicked and like I was like What is the problem? Like you know I can dance I can seeing like that what's the issue but whatever it was not for me and I just have to be okay with that you know and there are obviously other things in my career that were for me and so yeah, I I think that it's like there's so many lessons are so much richness that you can find in that noxious within the industry like how you carry yourself in the world But yeah, ungrateful that lesson was something that I feel like maybe when I booked in the heights which was like I said, I was like a year and a half into my. Time in New York I had been on the Bombay Dreams Tour for about a year at the time and I think it was probably that I think it was dish. It was like you know when I was like, oh there's shows out there where I can be Stephanie I can be my sort of like I, like to wear baggy clothes and I like to be feminine but also little bit loose and athletic, and I don't have to look like this like Prim and proper you know no shade on the Midwest but it felt like this you have to be like this woman from the Midwest like perfect cheekbones in the proper color red and I, just. looked. Silly Yeah. I want to ask a really super serious question. So when you? Can't even say it with a straight face. Do. You only work at the Richard Rodgers. Theatre Lake. You know I had someone come up recently in say a few more they're going to name it. Stephanie EAR and. I appreciate that as a compliment it's so funny right that it's just an the other thing is crazy about that is I had my might I request maintain dressing station re time they offered when I was dance captain of Associated Hamilton to give me a separate with speaking Jasmine's dressing room mate we're GONNA. Do the Schuyler sisters differently and I was like, no I like as dance captain I liked to be in the dressing is like to stay in in put my feet feet in the water always. End So I had my dressing station and when I left that doesn't station I was literally like I can't think echo by come back to you but also like I never, and I was just like it was like moving out of your childhood all. What was crazy is that when I did then? I already knew I was doing Hamilton and so there was a Broadway show her yeah because we were doing the workshop because it was it was quite there was another Broadway show in there it was. The Robin Williams the Bengal Tiger was in there. and. I knew and opposite. Ori- I'm friends with everyone at the Rogers. So late Tim peddling was the house manager, Jimmy Angela Doorman and. I was like, can I leave my stuff here because like you live in an apartment, you have your like makeup you only wearing shows and your sh worked on choose whenever they like actually redid the dress rooms and there was like a Stephanie trump at just stayed there through the renovation. They renovated the whole thing it was my step is still there. Yeah, it is my whole way. So I think it's time that we talk about your many hats at Hamilton and how all of them. Was it a domino effect of Lake being cast in the show when you were casting the show did you know that you were going to wear more than one hat? So I cast myself in show. Love it. Several if What happened was working on bringing on Andy I was associate credit for bringing on Lynn was co writing it with the other folks with Amanda Green and Tomcat. and. We were let's hear my shot during tech one day and Andy looked meetings like we're doing this next has okay. So we're doing this that you know that's like two dozen Tan show goes to Bring goes to Broadway bringing on closes I do fly out of talent Jeffrey seller any blanket bueller end outside Morin a Bill Sherman and any okay I in fly I want to be a dancer in fly, which is like a gag story. About. That not to tell us. But basically, like I got injured on the third day, Sleman hurt you at the setpiece by accident and I ended up sitting next him in like giving him ricky ship was the official for that show I was like sitting next to any giving you know doing the thing the whole time I was injured until Tekkers, which is like the gagging gag because all I want to do this dance but so. We we did bring it on back story. We did bring it on and he's like we're going to do Hamilton. So it's like monty getting closer look I said, all those things passed in between anti says you like are you going to be performing or do you WanNa choreographic because I would like you to associate the show with me and I was like I don't watch the company. is lousy choreographed tour of in the heights because I was dance captain with Michael. And you needed someone to set in that's I. Did that and then we bring it on just like I. Just my performance career like getting older and he I just didn't choose and I was like three weeks before we got to be audition starting. He's like I need to pick associate like like. We need to start really doing this. And I said WHO YOU GONNA pick if it's not me told me it was like Absolutely, not I'll never say this person's name this cardinal never leave because but what's crazy is like the difference in what our lives could have been in this person had swapped positions here it's just like I. I always ask this question I think about it every single time like it's just APPs. If I told you, it was it's nuts anyway. I said I didn't want that person to do it. I wanted to do it and he was like great. So here we are. We're running on Titians were working on a show choreographing things up Blah we get to the final we cast the whole show. We do the workshop of the show me, Susie Gregor for during the workshop whenever you don't need swings until we get to Broadway and the whole time thinking like really WanNa make a space for myself in this and If that is happening on Broadway still doing double duty and finally we get to the auditions the Bethany knocks we run an audition for For you know like the last required trickle hey, we need to have one addition 'cause we just haven't found a swing as. Okay. So I want to be the swing and she's like really as. I want to be the sanction. Does everybody know this and I'm like well, Andy knows this but like I don't think he told Tommy yet I don't know if Leonardo's she was like Let's an email like we don't have addition like we're done. Then we could just go home and so she's email and everybody was like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad she wants to do it and so I can't often Hamilton I mean in all seriousness, it's really a lot of work to be the associate swinging the show like you know I was used as I was focused on so many things in Thurday of attack. A Third, preview I was on and so So you know I think they wanted to be sure they knew me well may new as I. Can you do all the work? So when you're actually on stage with everybody you're overseeing does your brain actually clock the choreography and making sure looks good as a I don't want to see the whole picture because you can't see the whole picture. But like are you looking at other people on stage or you just focused on your track that night one hundred looking at everybody I mean the best notes come from it's Like I give more notes when I'm on I, keep night when I'm on as a dance captain note had on either side of the stage I just jot notes anyone that's in a show with me knows that I keep like a we use reasonable paper in like a little folder like leave me a love note or a note whenever. So when I'm on I, leave myself like so until has moved to this number, this is someone says getting close here Yeah Oh yeah Oh wow before me. Giving two hundred percent there. Yes. Exactly. How was it preparing for like as a performer and then also looking at all of the hat so as a performer as dance captain as the associate for how are you able to separate or not your process of putting together the show To anything chain in your your preteen industry in general. Yeah. It's funny because I was having dinner with Tommy and I in Tommy asking the same question. Keep the two things very separate meaning when I'm working I'm working like when we're in rehearsals I'm working and I'll joke around make jokes and whatnot but like. I don't really mess around and when I'm being a friend I'm on stage and I'm your cast mate on your cast me I don't give notes in your ear I. Don't tell people move I don't correct them when I'm with them and so I think that kind of helps people separate the two things and know. When you're being one in winter being the other but it also requires a lot of patients and emotional intelligence from the cast members to sort of say. Okay we'll. Now she's giving me a note and now she's Not and so I think that establishing those two personas establishing the. Now I'm giving you notes and establishing a now were cast members in weaken mess around and do all the things is important and then being honest that don't give someone a note in while your buddy but traveling with them onstage don't don't breach that even if you have a note to give them. Don't disrespect that friendship in that vulnerability in opening. So it still sounds like a collaboration because yours both ways of you know that yet full respect and understanding. And then they respect you when you walk the room and you have the note face on there like okay she's giving me a note now like John Ross always the funniest because we have like all these messing around someone some fan recently may compilation video video that haven't seen in such a long time in he and I are doing this ridiculous dance in the basement of theater. So we'd have all this playtime because he was always backstage now was always backstage watching things. Noting things or whatever. And going stress human givens like is giving him a note he's so fresheners. Okay. This tack what you want I'm to write down. So yeah, it's collaboration for sure absolutely but but yeah, I think you have to just. The two things then don't breach the trust of the two when you're giving a note, don't mess around don't like try to come up just give the note be direct tap discussion, and when you're sage, don't give don't be that I give the notes b the person where someone can be vulnerable and make stakes in front of you and you know that they're not going to be judged. I just wanted to know very quickly. When did you decide to leave Hamilton? The tiling got very confusing and it's a thing that happened because of a thing which again I really talk about here. But regardless. So my official title is associate and supervising choreographer obey that's my official title global supervising cracker I throw on because I also managed the London company. Things are about to change in Hamilton. You know we're opening more international companies. I have a child, and I am certainly not gonNA keep the travel schedule that I had been maintaining for the last five years and so there's GonNa be lots of other people popping in having titles it sound very similar, confusingly similar to that, but basically, I chose to leave when the. Work of building the Chicago Company and being in the show and being the dance captain seemed like it was asking me to compromise the integrity of one or more of those things. So when I started to feel I, actually can't do all these things that happened was stage manager there Jason Bats it. I would be casting a show in rehearsals from ten to six on Monday. Having a rehearsal from ten to twelve on Tuesday than using twelve to six then doing the show at night and then, and it was a seven day week thing we've all done double duty for three weeks at a time or taking a week off and then do another we all double duty all the time. That's not a thing that's hard. It was the extended double duty that month after month he. was like you can take a night offer. You can take a breather here and I was like that's not fair. It's not fair to make ask numbers like to be like the swaying that's not in the building. That's not the way that we work and I also lived on Long Island. So it wasn't like I could just run back down from one twenty cents or something so I decided to leave my. Swing and dance captured contract in become merely the associate forever. So I was holding two titles at the time I left my. That contract to just become associate for the conversation that ensued regarding because they're right. There is no secret credit for contract. Now, things are sort of changing sec in their forming these things. But at the time, there was nothing and we found ourselves back in this conversation with the same producers from the same conversation. I had ten years ago went after the same way I also had my agent left the agency she actually started working. and I love her very much That's an offensive story to tell. But it didn't go well and everybody backed out of the fight until I finally sat down office with Jeffrey Seller in his GM Andy Jones and I said, here's the thing. Nobody knows Hamilton nobody can set the show at this current moment in a year when I teach it to someone not to have a Senate which became Michael bought raw aga teaching one to set it. And Even. Then I'm going to know it better because even blinking bueller doesn't teach every track or do every track or hasn't been show. And I'm asking you for an amount of money that's more than the ensemble but less than the principles. And I'm going to be building your second company and presumably your third and possibly fourth companies and I could probably ask you for a lot more because at this current juncture, there is no human being on this earth that can build Hamilton and you need more hamiltons built and it was a very fast twenty minute conversation and we ended up with a contract that from what I hear from other people is the biggest associate contract that's ever been created. Don't know if that's true. I nine, the business of speaking to other associates about their money. But I did end up with health insurance and I did end up with benefits and I do feel as though that's bare minimum for the amount of work that I was doing. I was working I mean like between ninety, nine, hundred something hours a week at happily and devoted and thrilled to be doing it because I love the project I was working on. But I wanted at the end of me having my head in the sand for two years and not ever seen my wife and not performing not doing all of the things. I wanted to have something to show for it and I wanted to be able to have some freedom after financial freedom, which we all know as artists is really hard to come by and it wasn't about exploiting Hamilton news about really just getting what I think that was worth and so the actual changing of the hats and the changing of the titles was team from a both the necessity to the artistic integrity of the show, as well as to not common loot the on financial ridiculous offers that were being thrown at me. Everybody wanted to their cake and eat it too. I was not about it. That's a I mean this is not the podcast, the episode nor the podcast to go into that kind of stuff. But when you hear a story like that and you know. The value of Hamilton it just it just infuriates me to know that people on the inside who are making happen or created it so involved an and. Like you were. Were not getting really makes me upset. Yeah It's it's it's on the one hand. I recognize you know again, team emotion out of it, which is something I've learned really well. That it's really important when you're having these conversations as artists, we put our heart into things. But when you're talking about the business, I can't be emotional about it. And truly it wasn't about unloved the people as working with I. Love. The producers I'm so thrilled for the art they allowed I supported us to bring through to the world obviously land I respect Oscar used as greatly. But at the same time, their job is to make the dollars go back to their investors. They can make more art right to they have a goal. Your goal is to keep investors. Happy. So the investors keep investing in, we keep having art. So that's important to them I get that, but if you don't make I know this is not the podcast, but it's important as artists that we we learn to carve out our peace and I'll tell you. It's not popular opinion I've sat down on in chats with another windy societas are having their you know talks with SEC and it's not a popular opinion and I'm not a popular associated room because everybody is like well, we're not in Hamilton we can't just walk off the. Job and I'm like you know if that's the that's the attitude that you're taking you sure can't and you're gonNA keep getting less the ensemble for being the one who is actually carrying all of them, and that's actually fundamentally ridiculous and if you can't find a way to explain that to someone I, want to support you but I also can't make you because I understand fear that is around that for you. I I've had a lot of really upset people tell me why that's not Oslo for them and so Yeah. Anyway. Back to your question I left because I wanted to be clear about what the job I was doing and Then obviously. Chicago came in. Then we shortly thereafter the California the Angelica Company that did the sit down in L. A. and San Francisco, and and then it kind of just kept going from there, which is when I brought a. Night, the dance department not me personally, it was not as responsible for last, not responsible for this Andy and the dance department decided to bring on resident choreographers in every city, which we decided to name dance supervisors and so the official title for the position, of presidency, for Hamilton is Dan. Supervisor and which is why supervising Craig refer is so confusing because so many supervisors but that's what we do. There's so many moving pieces India. Yeah. Departments just keep going just keep getting bigger and bigger. Yeah and even like speaking for myself before jumping to fly of just like. I feel like every time I have a conversation even if it's with the same producer of the same person, it's always like if it was it was blindsides me every single time. So does hearing conversations of how people just go after it and to get what they want super inspiring to me. So thank you for sharing that. Okay. So I definitely want German fly quickly as our time is limited but working on fly, you've now work with Andy for several years on various different roles within each with each other specifically in. So I'm curious as to how with fly as co choreographers how was your shorthand? How are you guys working together? How is your collaboration process? Yeah. So we started working on climate seven years blaming me started fly before bringing on And we did We did a time runs. The also did like a really awesome magical dance workshop. And you know it's crazy because when he called me to be co-creator for I was pregnant but he knew I was but nobody knew I was pregnant and so I knew that it meant taking my seven months to California for three months and I knew that my wife has job at York and so it was really hard but I think he offered me poker because he knew that it was a hard decision and he really wanted me to do it right. So He Has A. Good relationship with Jeffery Sellars, he does not want electric resellers down he needs to choreograph as he also needs expensive time with his family yet Z's family forever because he's been so busy. In he called me, I, like I call white runway listen are we doing this and she was like this is a big opportunity for you. We'll figure it out. So when we started working on this, it started as us in a studio playing around with choreography production really like the Associated Korea where I refer to choreographer kind of. Relationship and we did like a dance workshop. If while later we did another workshop in. We've done a lot of kind of work on and then when I decided in Dallas I wanted to perform not greg graph he was like what am I supposed to jail like you've been my we've been doing this all along and ricky was also a part of all the creations Ricky's going to be the associated great no problem as thrilled I love Ricky at. And when we went to the next production, he knew that he had to give me something of more than associate because I wasn't really interested in continuing to be the associate and so I think I was part of why he offered coke there was another project that we had done previously called Zelda which I don't know if many people know about but it was basically a project where Frank Wild tournant written this show we did flat rock playhouse. It was used to call waiting for the moon and any could not be there he was doing something in basically he. Just he was like you're going to do all the additional choreography. Someone's sat my old you'll choreograph new stuff. So we have done various forms of choreographic relationships and when fly came around in this choreographing thing, you know I, think he had to sell the Geoffrey Geoffrey was like you know, can she do it in? What's where's the proof He was the director he is director of Flyway, your plans, not the producer he's the director and You know it was really about this long-term trust any bill to be also you know Andy as a crag refer who has. Taken the time to hone his craft and also jumped into correct me when he was like he was performing in the news like I'm in a choreographed now, he he knew how hard it was to go from being at the top of his performance career to the bottom of a crappy career. He learned lessons in front of people on Broadway stages and and he's so. Forgiving of that, and he so supportive of that, and so he really just let me do that and so finally, what what happened was when he showed up, it was terrifying for me but also it was like a masterclass. and. So he trusts me he knows that he has a lot to teach me I know that I've allowed to learn from him and yet the relationship is really there. Okay. Before we lose in Michigan I guess let's just hop to the lightning round. Okay. This is my favorite question on earth. What is one thing in the theater industry that confuses you I think. The musical. Theater. Dresses. I don't get why people have to wear that in order to book shows a don't understand what the cross body tie the tie three quarters length i. don't understand a musical theater dress if you can only perform the same number over and over again for the rest of your career, what would that number be? Up in. That's the best answer. What are three adjectives that describe your favorite working environment find hard-working, adjective, but man. And Productive scariest moment onstage. One hundred percents when I dislocated my shoulder during the off Broadway, run up your town and then had to finish the number and the show. What is one hobby that you have outside of theater? I definitely just realized a headache four answers for the scariest but let's not do that. Okay. One outside of theater is. Yoga, who is your favorite musical theater composer to dance to? I mean Alex Moore's like you can't fight the fat and my favorite musical theater composer just in general that people wouldn't expect Frank Wild harm. Love. Love, his major chords loves modulations, I JUST DIG at it. So musical theater, it's so useful theater. So I totally agree favourite Goto or favorite or go to pre show or after show meal shake. Shake Shack Oh my gosh. My answer with something like Skinnier but lakes grouping. Sony but I love shake shack. I. Love Ryan Refugee Love No I. Whenever, we asked these questions when was like, Oh, new. York like missing the. Off I know. Okay. So then last question, what is the last great piece of theater that you saw on in the interest of speeding up because I can think forever the last that I really remember being just so fabulous white me off my feet was Amadeus in London And the performance of Mozart was so insane and just a whole production everything mean just generally speaking anything at the National Art, the London generally sway me off my feet but that is the last one. I. Was like Jesus, please I'm so excited him in this industry, where can our listeners find you on social media websites? Social media might website is my name stepney clowns dot com lots of fun information. They are in ways to get in touch with me. Of course, I do the Graham damps ISM. So it's like dance like a religion and then I'm steph underscore clam on twitter because dances MS also a famous European Dj in heat up that one before I did interesting I will link all those in the description notes below and yeah. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. This was so fun and funny and hilarious appreciate Y'all thanks for continuing to bring our stories forward. Thanks everyone for listening to this episode of Page to stage to keep up with us, you can find us on instagram and facebook page to stage PODCAST, and if you're enjoying these conversations, we would really appreciate it. If you take a couple minutes to rate and review US wherever you're listening to this podcast until next time. That's Brian. That's Mary. We'll see you later. Bye. Bye Thank, you for listening to the Broadway podcast network. Make sure to visit US online at Broadway podcast network dot com on Instagram, at Broadway podcast network or on twitter at Buick pod network.
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"Hi I'm Michelle shocked. Community based independent media like Radio Free Brooklyn gives a voice to musicians. You're not going to year on mainstream media. Your support makes it possible. Please make a donation today at radio. Free Brooklyn Dot Org. You're listening to next best thing next. This is the next bus thing. It is a brand new week a fresh new week in. Aren't we feeling glorious about it? I'm holding down the fort here as we enter week. Seven thousand nine hundred twenty. I don't know it feels that way about this. Pandemic shelter in place order all that stuff. Now I'm not gonNA complain about it because I know it's for the best but it's crazy to meet thank how long this has been going on. How long has this been going on for you? though I'm getting fatter and I'm not just being funny about that. I'm literally getting fatter. I can hear myself. I can certainly feel it. Every shirt is a little more snug and yeah what else do you need? What more evidence do you possibly need? No all right folks. Last week we explored the world in the works of Stephen. Sondheim the foremost musical theater composer of well probably the last century tonight. We're GONNA explore the work of another contributor to the same art form but one that sadly died before he was able to contribute as much as he probably would have liked tonight. I WanNa talk about Jonathan Larson. Do you know that name most famous for the musical rent tonight? I WanNa talk about the life and work of Jonathan Larson. John had a sense that he was meant to do something big. He wanted to change the course of musical theatre. He wanted to do something majestic and he wanted to do it loud and he wants to do something that people could not ignore writing. This particular musical meant a great deal to him. Rent was Jonathan's dramatization of the life. He was living. He captured a we going through our struggles and knew we had something special. But I had no idea it was going to be so hughes. This was the realization of his dreams. This artist worked and worked and worked worked and was about to break through and then had death so capriciously. Pull it away from him. I made it very clear that I wanted nothing more than to see this show continue on it became a sensation. Every Professional Gene John. Ever had came true. The day he died he was suddenly famous. It just wasn't live. It touched the nerve of generation of people who perhaps wouldn't even come to the theater. I cry every time I see. This makes me weep. It's probably the most moving broadway musical I've ever seen. Prisons Conception of Megan's movie was to honor what was on stage and bring it to a movie audience. This is an extraordinary living testament. Jonathan for me. It's just a painfully ironic. You can't write a story like this all right. So some personal history. I I was exposed to the musical print and I think nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine. I was about ten years old and I was in New York City for the first time of my entire life and I was here. It was me my mom and dad and my sister abby and we were here because we were dropping her off at a summer program at the School of American ballet big for her and Efan trip for the rest of us. Now as I said this was my first time coming to New York City and so I didn't have much say in what shows or what we did terms of the the vacation. And so my parents dad really picked to Broadway shows for us to go see one was beauty and the beast which was the way just spectacular and the other was rent which I never heard of knew nothing about and I'll tell you this when I saw the musical as a ten year old Broadway production. I remember two things. I just told my sister this the other night. Here's what I took away. It was really loud and had my sister told me at intermission that the character of angel was a man dressed up as a woman. I never would have known. I thought it was a woman so I wasn't exactly the most perceptive receptive to the production as a ten year old but one thing did stand out to me. My Dad who was hardly a musical theater person by any stretch loved it loved loved loved it and so I basically pretended to love it because I loved anything that he loved and he loved it to the point where he bought the album he listened to it all the time and as I grew up as I got older I started to realize what the show was actually about and two years after that trip as a twelve year old. My Dad died very suddenly and everything that he loved everything that was going on and everything that I connected to him suddenly had much more and was much more important to me and so the connection that association. I have with this. Musical is very lasting in his very meaningful to me especially as I've gotten older and I really have come to realize what the message of the show is now. Rinta ease without question. Jonathan Larson's magnum opus. It is what everyone knows him for and it is his biggest success like I said he passed away before he really got to do much else but it is not the only thing he contributed to the world of musical theatre. Take a listen to west. Some of his friends have to say when it comes to the work outside of rent. There's this entire catalogue of what he's created. He did have some other commissions and projects where he was paid to write music he and his Liikanen worked on all of yon winters home videos and John scored them. We put an act together. A little singing group J glitz. We developed sort of crazy alter ego characters. We would just go to open mics all over the city and just saying he wrote here and there for sesame street a little bit. He wrote some music for higher. He had a collaboration with some named Bob Gold. They had an idea to do a pilot for a kids show called away. We go directed and every toddler that I know loves it. It's time they get eating your mental auto. There's one of the things he ever got. Produced Jonathan's life was the most single minded pursuit of artistic vision that I've ever witnessed. Jonathan pushed his musicals out there to anyone who would listen. That was his life. He had some work seed wrote for a children's show that almost got produced but one of the most one of my favorite things. Jonathan contributed to the world of musical theater was something that actually started out as a one man show that he put together and it came at a time in his life when he had he had been working on a musical called. Superbia was basically a musical version of Orwell's nineteen eighty four. It was a futuristic world and whatnot and it had gone okay at once awards but it never really found any backers it never really got produced and he finally had to let it go and he was feeling like we've all felt probably from time to time. Like what am I doing here? Am My you know my on the right path? Am I really going to have life as a composer? And so he wrote a one man show and he originally called it Boho days. Here's what was going on in his life. When Boho days came about Jonathan's life you know working at the Moon Dance Steiner. Trying to make a living so that he could come home every day and work on his musicals musicals that no one wanted to produce. He was on the edge of thirty Spain years and years working suburbia and that had come to nothing away since he had nothing except some awards show for Jonathan then spent three or four years working on Boho days. A ninety minute roff monologue. No one knew vo men so then he called it tick tick. Boom boom. Boom boom boom tic. Boom was a way to respond to the sense of rejection that he felt boom boom boom. It's some people appear his shoot out. He said screw you. I'm doing one man piece and it was my brother and a piano and a band or Cheryl brought. Musical rider inserts expert. Jonathan don't share my feelings. I just convert them into songs. Is this normal as dirty? Three always sucked. What was amazing. Was that he told this story. All through pop soms. It's a really good snapshot of his point in life. I'm afraid of being stuck waiting tables for. I'm I love this show. I actually got a chance to produce indirect the show in college so it always certainly holds a special place in my heart and is where. We'll start tonight in reviewing and appreciating the work of Jonathan Larson Again again about out like auto. Not just the birthday Saturday night. Live still nineteen nine. Won't WHOA run a war more again? Bad you don't find it. Non Ninety nine boom Ya since the to all sues meal Menu Saigo loan at the ball is passed to world's lay down that is the opening number two tick tick boom. And if you didn't catch on thirty ninety referencing. He's turning thirty years old and it's the year nineteen ninety. It's an autobiographical show About John Larson recently performed as a one man rock monologue now. This show is all self reflective what was going on at that time in his life and at that time it was life he was well. There wasn't a lot going on He didn't have a lot of acceptance wasn't getting a lot of encouragement or financial support. And so he was at a Kinda crossroads and has worked life in his relationship and he really felt like he had to make some choices. Some hard choices that's illustrated this song from tick tick. Boom Johnny can't decide. Raikov jaw and compromise a mind. Johnny hoods no god Johnny. I gives me given some SPA. Johnny Yang Attorney. John Wall John is bad online a John to write music. I WANNA sit down right now my panel and write a song. People listen to and remember do the same thing every morning with the rest of my life. Only Johnny K. D- Stevenson is the preeminent musical theater composer. Geroge shows like sweet todd company a little night music the greatest musicals of all time amazingly well crafted to Susan Inspiration. Sometime was the The Dean the aspiring musical playwright wanted to be Sondheim and Jonathan idolized him. I mean that was his hero and Jonathan got in touch with him and wrote him a letter and Sondheim wrote back and Jonathan held onto every word and note and lyric. This guy wrote like it was spun. Gold they made a connection so the John Subsequently said everything he wrote to sign for his approval. Which I thought was the height of Dassin. I would to you think that Steve might have something better to do with his time and say oh he's got to hear what. I'm working on and to his credit sometime. Always wrote back phone back. He was rigorous in always responding and helping him direct his career. That is absolutely amazing to me. So Jonathan Larson like anyone who has an interest in the musical theater idolized and respected and loved. The work of Stephen Sondheim and in the late eighties early nineties. Stephen Sondheim was at the height of his power. I mean he had had written. Sweeney Todd in seventy nine in eighty seven came into the woods. These were some of his most popular and lasting musicals and get. He made time to respond to meet with to listen to the work of this young guy. Jonathan Larson who really hadn't done anything that's amazing to me. And that says a lot about Stephen Sondheim who just turned ninety and whose work we explored last week. Well in tick. Boom Jonathan Larson wrote attribute to Stephen Sondheim in a song called Sunday in. Tick tick boom. It is set in the Moon. Dance Diner where Jonathan worked for a long time here in New York City but it pays tribute to a song very famous song from Sunday in the park with George one of my favorite Stephen Sondheim musicals straight back into the lab my read. I'm sorry to deliver on Sunday. Three for two yesterday Harrington Harrington Elle and for seven order No I'm sorry those people here. I don't have pains for several smoking tension phthalate Nico and and some bell. I wanted an Omelet with no yolks. That's why you're just out later. Brunch Silver Diner learn on the Green Purple Red Sir off Sure own instead. The Bay on a pre off green seven dribbles sit a drinking Sober drips orange. Violet lasts Spa Bumps we all document real life. That went unrealized. Getting more. Like fixed deadlines Brad Line four now this deadline nor do assault when the wrong to Wick. Joseph on your feet wet on diabetes night every where is he? How music impossible. Send Me Lame. Mall way down deep inside Beijing. When don't all right you're listening to the next best thing on Radio Free Brooklyn. We are exploring the work of Jonathan Larson and that of course was the title song from his Magnum Opus. The musical the rock musical. It's really it's referred to as a rock opera rent and boy. It's funny because while that was written and set in the nineties very relevant today isn't it? Some people can't afford to pay rent because they have a virus kind of like the virus featured in the show so the story of rent it is loosely. Well not even that loosely. It seems pretty clear to me. It is based on the opera. Zaba William it tells the story of a group of impoverished young artists struggling to survive and create a life in New York City and they live primarily in the East village alphabet city in the thriving days of Bohemian Life Artists Life. Under of course the shadow of the HIV AIDS epidemic. That's the virus on of course referring to when I talk about the one featured in the show now. This work came Jonathan Larssen from somebody else. So Somebody Jeffery sellars. I believe saw him perform his one man. Rock monologue tick tick boom that. We heard music from just a while ago and he was like you know what I'm really. I really believe in your work. I'd like to produce your work. Here's a guy who I know has actually been trying to create an adaptation of Lata Women. Why don't you guys work together? And they did for a while but eventually Jonathan Larson. Who was not exactly the most talented collaborator? He didn't love working with other people. He had a very clear vision that he liked to stick to. And when people had suggestions or you know wanting to contribute. It didn't always go well so eventually. He said to his partner. Listen I really have a vision for this? I think I WANNA go my own way. Is that okay with you? They worked on an agreement and he was off to the races. Now in La Boheme. There's Rudolfo who's an artist. He is Roger Roger the musician. And there's Mimi who in the opera is a prostitute in rent. She is a stripper. Who's got a drug problem? They fall in love and just like in the opera. They are initially attracted. When Mimi Asks Roger To lighter candle you forget on doll old. Chivalry nothing. They turned up my little because my feet look what he's standing at your hair in the moon. Wa Look meal with much to take any way. Love your smile me. Nine people dead. She died her name was April again. Sorry betcha friend who des The wax. It's Oh well. Good night's look familiar dead girl and bully when smile but I'm sure somewhere else. Do the cat scratch club. That's through I work. I helped me look. Yes they used. Side you up it's a nipping audit and recognize without the bad off. Do forget bad stuff like your sixty nine teen own. Won't be bad. I just this shit like that. Have no he sweats. I got a call. I to be a junkie now and then I like all of them. Champion Ball View that was my last match. I thank God for the maybe. It's not the moon it all here. Spy SHOOTING DOWN THE STREET HAM to like my father's dance with you know with my father. I'm Roger Having producers who are cheerleaders and who are supporters. But who are also. Critics was painful to him because we didn't hold back. Jonathan was hard headed. He did not want to change a lot of stuff. Rent was his baby and he had a hard time collaborating. It was something he really had to learn how to do kicking and screaming. Everyone's is very fragile and this was multiplied by ten of the scale of the project. Jonathan dealt a lot of frustration at the pace that this was willing forward. He had been working with it a long time. He certainly got to enough is enough. And when is this thing getting on Jonathan Team? A lot of hopes dashed and he was paranoid totally paranoid that it would fall apart. Either were many points during a process where it looked like it might not happen partially because of money whether or not we could afford it partially because of disagreements in the collaborators whether this was gonna work whether Jonathan was going to be able to read it in a way that Jim Nicola was willing to produce it at one point. We actually said to him. You're really ready to do this. We think it needs more work. Perhaps you need to go and find another producer. They had some artistic disagreement or down at than was I want. This and Michael was like now. That's not working on Jonathan insisting and Michael saying look I I can't take this shit know my plate is full and I'm walking and Jonathan saying you can't go crying Pinella. This is my baby. You cannot lead. I think he overcame some of the stubbornness he would go home after a conversation or after rehearsal even kind of have a furrowed brow. Not really want to do a certain amount of it and then he'd come back in a few days later and these two great new songs. Wait till you hear it and it was like all of that had gone away. Maybe the reason rents acceder where the others didn't is. Jonathan accepted input from a team of people that he thought were amazingly talented and he'd grown up little bit and he realized that it was a team ultimately no matter how much Jonathan hated it and no matter how much it stung he listened. He took it in and he made it better. In fact one of the last songs that was written and added to rent was one of my favorites it is one of the few frankly male duets in the Broadway Literature. And certainly one of the best it is sung by the characters and Roger and Mark. The character of mark has always kind of connected with me in many ways. It is called what you own. Don't breathe think you do not see. Ya Air Show run or you may drive. Go to like this is the end. Aw John John's I don't shun am sad age. I hear you I see here. Sharon Alexi Lor Loretta. I quit diet bad. You're listening to best and that's all and okay and okay aright. You're listening to the next best thing on Radio Free Brooklyn now. A famous fairly famous story associated with rent is the death of its composer. Jonathan Larson whose work we are exploring tonight. So the musical was first produced and seen in a workshop production at New York theatre workshop in Nineteen ninety-three that still exists and it is still in the East village. This same off. Broadway theatre was also the musicals initial home following its official nineteen ninety-six opening now the night before the official opening off Broadway so it was the final dress rehearsal of rent. And you know a lot of the critics had come and it was a huge night and it went so well in Jonathan Larson was interviewed. He had quit his job as a waiter. Everything was fine looking up for him and they were so everyone was so excited for the future of rent and he was just on cloud nine. When he left the theater he went home. He went to his apartment on the corner of Greenwich in Spring. He walked up to his fourth floor. Apartment put on some hot water to make some tea and at some point between I think. Twelve thirty and one thirty. Am Is a order fully ruptured. And he died he died now. It was very sudden he had been having some weird. You know health issues that week. He wasn't sure if it the flu. If it was stress he did go to the doctor a number of times and he was told it was stress. But it was actually an undiagnosed I think heart condition and he died before ever getting to really see his work go to Broadway. That was his lifelong dream and he died in the blink of an eye. And it's just unbelievable. I mean it's you know the whole message of rent as I said it's dealing with artists starving artists living in New York City during the height of the AIDS epidemic. So a lot of people are dying and the message of rent is no day but today well how could that message of ever been more poignant on the day after they lose their creator the creator of this work and the drop of a hat? I even imagine Fifteen kids came down the island. Got Up on the stage and formed a line across the stage and began singing seasons of love it was most astounding moment because it was so clear. Jonathan written his own memorial. This was kind of a memorial to Jonathan and we saw that was what really became really hard to get through. It was like took everything we had to just put one word up in front of the next to make our voices come through our throats which would closing up and choking a lot of death and a lot of complexity itself that not I mean starting Adam seeking chlorine so all he four only one song. Every single lyric was heightened because suddenly Jonathan's death felt like it was all over this show and it was clear it written a manifesto about how to do this dat strategy one last gift from Jonathan in the Middle Second. I wish singing cover you the reprised in the play. Yes I think about angels. This would be Jonathan. Ooh when the secondhand came down last note was Song. There was an immediate standing ovation. The entire audience entire audience sat back down and did not move. It was definitely so quiet. Nobody knew what to do. And I don't know whether it was teen seconds. Thirty seconds people just sat there and that silence seemed like an eternity until this young voice spoke out. Thank you thank you Jonathan Larson and that broke the spell and everybody moved and I remember standing by C. saying to somebody I hope to show US success and becomes lasting tribute to Jonathan in. It certainly did. Those were his parents by the way who were at that last dress rehearsal. The day their son died or the day after the musical moved to Broadway and made its debut there on April twenty nine th nineteen ninety-six not long ago at all. I mean excuse me. The anniversary was not long ago. It all on Broadway. Got Critical. Acclaim won several awards including the Pulitzer Prize for drama. And the Tony Award for best musical. The Broadway production closed September seventh. Two Thousand Eight after twelve years making it. One of the longest running shows in Broadway. History in the production grossed over two hundred and eighty million dollars. It has since been made into a blockbuster film and their productions there are productions of rent all over the country all over the world any given day of the week and so I also have to say because my dad loved it so much because it has such a new strong connection in meaning to me that I also have to say. Thank you. Jonathan Larson Let's talk by off. Aw Song Birds Porn Times Dot com bill. You know one of the most tragic parts of losing Jonathan Larson at the age of thirty five so young when he had so much more to contribute was that besides tick tick boom and rent there. We didn't have much of his to perform or to sing or to listen to nowadays. Well last year and album was put together called the Jonathan Larson project where I was so happy to see His the Jonathan Larson Foundation put together. Some of his lesser known. Works works that no one. I mean very few ever heard before and now a lot of the songs on there are just incredible. One of my favorites is a song called. Sos It doesn't say what it was from necessarily but it's called US os. And it's a Jonathan Larson piece. That until about a week ago I had never heard but I've come to love This may be my final message. This may be the final bow. What will happen doesn't matter how I who footsteps. Uh Don't know how much the if you're leading Florida. Think the time is now I ASO SO HERO. Sos by She's a SOS west. Yes saw this might be. I am outside the do last Absolutely anybody a body own right outside. This may be. The curtain doesn't matter it in nineteen eighty four. In a what I say try. It's Oh I said I didn't know what that was from and I don't. I sure hope that last line you heard about nineteen eighty-four makes me think it must be from suburbia. It was that work I told you. Jonathan Larson's been so many years working on that never really came to fruition It was basically an adaptation of Orwell's nineteen four so that would make sense. We're just out of time for tonight. But I'm glad we were able to remember appreciate the work of Jonathan Larson. It easily tragic to think about all he had left to give all the music he could have left to right but it just goes to show why we have to kind of live each days our last and be thankful for each day that we do have in. It sounds cliche but it's really true and in this day. Age of the corona virus when people are getting sick in reacting and all these different ways and our country is do as divided as it's ever been people are angry like I was in the first half of the show. Frankly it's important to know that we have a lot to be thankful for and we should be thankful for every day to in the show tonight. I'll leave you with a Jonathan Larson piece creator of rent creed of tick tick boom and a very important contributor to the world of musical theater as I say the show and I mean it more and more each week. Apathy is the enemy folks. Apathy is the enemy. Never give up never give in never stopped carrying never stopped making it known that you fucking care it is good to care God. Damnit Radio Free Brooklyn. This has been the next thing until next time. I'm Jonathan Be Learner. Good night no there is. No this is not Own to Aw.
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Where'd you get a little green ones where you get them that store what you bought little frogs they need homes to. I'm not. I'm not shaming you. I'm just surprised knowing how little you for. It was like twenty three years ago. So did she want the frogs so but anyway That's not the story. Now here's the story. We just go with that. Yeah okay could be a dream life. Good injury you're listening to. Life is short. I'm your frog loving house. Justin long sweet dude shampoo and with me as always is My guess closeted frog lover as well up until now in now. I feel bad for stepping on your story now. Okay well i want. I want solution for dawson's creek and it was for a role that i was really wrong for it was it was for like the cool jockey. Rebel comes into town like the new the new guy in town. Why did you say you were wrong. Well why would you think. I was brown hair. They're looking for more long blonde part of it part of it. I just didn't feel like that guide on was hard for me to be naturally that guy to put myself in that position and it was one of those auditions were. I'm reading with a castle. Who's not really. It's not like i have a scene partner. That's it's not like katie. Holmes is in the room it was the casting directors faulting the role of the hunky. Going next door. Well actually the guy who got. It isn't like a Classic i would say michael pitt. The actor michael pitt. If you remember him he's he's he's very he's handsome very handsome but he's but he's also but i'm saying he's not like a big hunk classical. I remember the ocoee. I remember that role. I i even remember the name of the character who is in henry. Oh yeah my rush because you re watch it. A couple of months ago he was genuinely played by michelle williams love interest and he was younger than her and that led to problems in the relationship because he wasn't mature enough right to handle the a quite precocious linley but he was she was. She was intrigued by him because he was kind of quiet and mysterious and he was. He was and sensitive. Well that's the thing. I required the audition. I remember required that i be cool and brooding all those things you just mentioned it and i didn't feel like any of those things and so rather than act the part I got very self conscious. And i and i tried to too hard to perform it and so i think about that audition. Only in the context of you know when like in audition. Some bad audition gets leaked it. Like i don't wanna say who's but we've seen that. Auditions are maybe not but they do. Sometimes and i always think Oh god i would be mortified if that one. That's the one i think about getting late. Because i i'm not being self deprecating like. I know it was bad it was embarrassingly bad. I bet you're trying to be cool. Like hey i knew about. Why are we talking about dawson's creek. That's a very good question. Well dawson's creek at. The time was on a network called the wb. If if you give kids remember that And then the wbz became the cw but they kept the general type of programming which is and the and the general type of fan base. Yeah yeah and generally speaking Actress much like the ones who were on dawson's creek were employed by this network including our guest today. The very talented very Cw lee attractive. Cw lee has that ever been an adverb. I doubt it can cat mcnamara cat. You don't think anyone's ever said that. Cw early may. I'm sure someone is headed by accident. Yeah sure for katherine right yes katherine mcnamara Should i call her now. I mean we get into that first caller different things but professionally known as katherine mcnamara. But you know now. I consider her a friend right so to me. She's now cat mcnamara so sorry but to some of you. She may be different nicknames but to the majority view. She's probably catherine so you're about to hear. She's not an extremely popular show. That has a rabid fan base. I think it's fair to say Called well they're not necessarily rabid not. They don't have rabies. No but they're they're a big fan base. I imagine there some of them are rabid all right. It's called You have a bad association with rabid do yeah rabbit rabbit a rabid dog who else rabid fans of rabid fans being really like aggressive in your face. I don't. I don't know how i'm wrong. Maybe rabbit is more pejorative than i'm thinking. Well i think it should. I be saying avid and see but that sounds avid fan base. And i think you're probably right to say it. It's descriptive enough and i record. I just mean that. The fabs into the show i mean. They have rabies though some of them. Do you think i'm sure some fans of shadow hunt. Rabies is very rare. I don't think you have it for a length of time. I've maybe some fans of shit undergrad rabies. Anyway she's on as you mentioned shadow hundreds of very popular show. But that's actually on another network. Yeah that's on free form and or was on free form for a couple of years and that has a huge following. But she was he w adjacent but most recently she was on the cw show green arrow. Aero yes i almost said lantern. You know what's funny getting potentially new listeners like huge cat mcnamara fans tuning into this. If you can't call her her all right katherine mcnamara huge katherine mcnamara fans who are tuning in to justify because she's the guest to middle aged guys only heard two guys tiger on dawson's creek. They've definitely are not going to there or they're fast forwarding their their kid their money. They know more than we do how to do it. So if you've gotten to this point also in house writer hit movies. She's of she's a wonderful theatre actress. I saw her. We did the twenty four hour place together. We talk about that. And she's very active in the twenty four hours. she's plays she's Does a lot of charities. She's really good person and she Recently is well is going to be very soon in the stand. The adaptation of stephen king. I'm excited for me to. I can't wait so hopefully you can't wait for Chat with very lovely very bright. Catherine cat i call her catch you can i guess mcnamara. Life would be a dream sweetheart We love working together on. I think you can hear that. We know our limitations. We know what we're good at. We know what we need help with. And one of those things we really need help with is organization. Yeah and monday dot. Com has really helped us. That what it is. It's an easy to use very flexible visual teamwork platform. Yeah we have a company with people not might not realize it's a small one. We still need help organizing. And they have changed our approach radically and they do it for all size. 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I used to go every at least once a month to something somewhere in the world whether it was a shadow hunters convention or a multi fandom kahn or something because they have a between. I've somehow fallen into this world of doing a lot of these comecon genre. Projects shadow hunter. What was the first one cat that you did By the way. What should i call you. Account is great. okay okay. can we say that. You're from lee's point lee's summit. Kansas city is the best. Like because there's sony a little suburb area. Kansas city's the main like okay. All right i went down this whole lease whatever we won't say but i went down this whole lee's summit like stomach. Yeah is that what. It's called lee's summit. I actually grew up kind of a weird intersection of a bunch of little towns in in the kansas city area and i i loved growing up in kansas city because it was such a wonderful grounded place to grow up especially now that i travel all over the world and live in so many. Appreciate it more than that. I really do having that as a home base also best barbecue in the world. I will ever take people on it. I heard kansas city pash through but never spent enough time to like to try out the barbecue. It sounds like a very nice place to grow up. It's really wonderful and actually going back now. It reminds me a lot of nashville sort of ten years ago. There the towns completely changing and it's growing and it's kind of growing up as it were Which i love seeing just. Because i'm i'm so proud of this little hometown and it's it's modernizing in a way that You know i'm. I'm so so happy to see i. Also kind of say. There was raised artistically in the kansas city theater community. A lot of people don't know but there's a a lovely amazing little pocket of professional theater in kansas city. That is full of people that do it for the art and do it because they love it and just everybody does every job and there's no ego involved in all it is just a bunch of people doing theater and making heart because they love it and i just was so grateful to have that sort of work ethic as my base for. How did you get into that. Like how did you discover that community completely by accident so as a kid. I come from an entirely science and medical based family. Everybody in my family does something in that field. And i was a huge math nerd. Scientists has never really my thing. But i ended up. Loving socialist wanted to go into developmental economics as a kid that most kids ninety. Of course i. I was balancing the checkbook at age seven and not. That was more fun than going outside to play. That's what how did you develop. Do you remember early experiences of that. Like how you fell in love with something like that is an odd thing for a kid to gravitate toward i do. I had an amazing teacher. Her name's miss. Vicky i'm still friends with to this day. I went to miss vicki. So it's all thanks to miss vicki and really my family I went to a montessori preschool and she saw this sort of love for learning in me and this little spark and she decided to foster that and so she really encouraged me and pushed me and pushed me to to read into do multiplication division. And all of these things beyond what you're supposed to be doing it schoolteacher. That's incredible so. She taught me to love learning and between her and my family learning for me. It was always this kind of journey of discovery. And this fun thing. It was never a chore opportunity to to discover something new for yourself and to sort of be self motivated to expand your horizons. Wow so so were you often left to your own devices were you. Like was part of that curiosity foster just because you were kind of on your own like having to fill the time a little bit part of it. I feel like part of why became an actor. In retrospect is just living in my own imagination making these whatever situations but also whatever my parents or grandparents were doing. It became a game. It has been a lot of time with my grandparents growing up and my grandfather. If he was working in the yard was. I got to go ask him what he was doing and learned about it or if he was fixing the car engine or the lawnmower something. It became how engines work. And let's see how this goes and let's learn about this. You know he had stuff to do. People were doing stuff around you like adult stuff like lifestyle and you just you were there and so they had to look. I love that they had to look after you through the part of their. They just started absorbing the stuff that they were doing that. That's really and it made me love. Learning which i think why i. I love school so much. Love math so much. And then when i found out that these you know huge scaling life altering country altering forces of economics could be explained in math formulas and charts and sort of boiled down to these concepts. It blew my mind. So that's what i thought i was going to do with my life. The only thing we have in common we both own astronaut onesies but then we start to you just fascinated by this. This was your this was something that how how often we you. You mentioned vicky. How often would you see her. Like how much of a presence was she in your life. Let see with my teacher for several years as a kid like i was really really young like maybe three two to six or so when you develop a lover economics yes exactly and then she and i became friends and obviously you know she was friends with my mom and sort of just stayed in touch throughout the rest of my life. Yeah and it's. I'm so glad to have heard part of my life because i've watched her be that same force for so many other kids i believe she is. Yeah and my my mom's She's a science research scientist. Professor as well so i i have a love for teachers Such an appreciation for them. My dad was a teacher. My both my parents and my older brother as well Yeah that's really. What is your mom. What type of research. Infectious diseases is her specialty at a time. Wow what is she is she. Is she working on the great race. Yeah she's she's pretty much a teacher now but with all the information all the misinformation. That's been going on this year. Just having her to be able to call and go okay. Window i freak out. When do i stock up. What what what's actually on the freakout scale like. Give me a number that i should be on just so cool. My mom is kind of the opposite. She'll she'll read any whatever. Like fear based article pops up on on her like click bait and she's like oh my god you have to stay away from maple trees. That's how you're so lucky. That's so cool. See that's me. i'm like mom. Do i need to stay away from. Maple trees have hiking. What am i doing outside going. Get fresh air now. it's fine. just wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Where mask is that kind of. I mean like according to your mom. Is that kind of where we're at still. That's pretty much until we get a vaccine ultimately that's kind of where we're at is social distancing. You can wear a mask wash your hands. Don't touch your face. I'm so curious about her now. Can we get her on the show too. Sure i'm sure i could talk to her about it. She's very shy though it's so funny. She's extremely shy when it comes to public things. Yeah i have to. If i did the show hunters for for so many years. I had to convince her to come to set because she doesn't like coming to work because it's it she feels like she's in the way and it's not her environment and it's it's very interesting. Where do you shoot that show. 'cause i was trying to figure it out. I know it's not new york. Only because only. Because i love when they do like the brooklyn brewery at they always make a point every the production designers i every scene is going to have like a sign that says brooklyn or queens or so. It's it's like all right calmed down. I it's clearly not there. It's the brooklyn bridge. and i. i thought new orleans. But then i started thinking canada like maybe toronto thank. Oh it's okay very proud. How got to live in toronto for three years. I love toronto much. It's such an amazing town and it's you know you're in. We're there ten months a year for so many years and more. Yeah we twenty episodes of season so it took up a lot of our time and we never got sick of that city. We also had a really tight knit. Cast a You know we all live within three blocks of each other and spent all of our time together who those are my brothers. It's matthew dario who was on the show but it seemed like you guys must have had a lot of fun making it doing really dead. We were very lucky. We all clicked pretty much instantly. And i mean that they will be my brothers for the rest of my life. I love those dudes and they you know. I was nineteen when i started that show and so did that show from the time i was nineteen. At the time. I was twenty three and that sort of period of your life is so transformative and so transitional just as a human being used to fact. Yeah how did you get the part. Was it just through the normal audition kind of ways. Yeah yeah. I was auditioning in la and this pilot came up. And you know it's funny you go through i. I'm very much of mindset of an actor of i love auditioning because you you work on it and you the room and you play for those ten minutes and you leave it behind but there are some auditions where you read the script and connect to it instantly and you just know that there's a part of you that has to tell this story. And as soon as i read the pilot for shadow hunters instantly new at this character could be and what she could become and where she could go and connected with her. In a way that i hadn't in a really long time Oh that's cool. What do you think it was about the character. Because she's for the people who haven't seen it she's She starts out kind of She said she's turning eighteen. The mother has this secret. This family secret And who which she makes very obvious and you do a great job of not picking up hunter signals like all. We have to have this talk very serious talking. You're like it's fine and then but she's also an artist. She's like a very kind of sensitive spirit. What was it about specifically that script that you think you connected with well as a kid. I always looked for you. Know the female characters that were strong and empowered and sort of battles and brave to be individual and not said a mold because i ever felt like i fit any specific mold. So you know. Everybody goes with the disney princess. Trump's like moulana pocahontas. Where my favorites. 'cause they were the ones that always eight seven poster of milan on my wall. Kid kick ass. Yeah i do know that yeah. She's amazing she kicks ass. She runs it the boys she does her own thing. The whole movie was that we aspire to that or did you actually do that in high school reunion that type of girl. No i was always one of the guys. Always one of the guys i i. I've always had good female friends. But i think i just connected i. I played softball as a kid. I was a girl scout. I did all these things. I was basically the girl who loves to play dress up and go out and play in the woods. Feral kid you played around outside a lot. Oh for sure. I mean my grandparents house used to back up onto all this beautiful woods and i would just run around in the woods and play and chase turkeys and do all this. I read that turkey chasing was huge in lee's summit in in s. There's a lot where i live. And i've always been tempted to run after them. What happens when you run after turkey. They just a little runaway. Yes do you ever catch them. I never have. But i think last time i chased a turkey. I was probably ten fast. Tried again now with with adult legs with adult speech fast. I it's true when you gotta learn to run in five shells you get pretty speedy. Wow probably did a lot of actions because it's a lot of action. It's it's a very light comic book. In and i when i started the show i didn't know how to fight at all. I didn't know how to hold a sword. I didn't know how to throw a punch. I didn't know how to do anything. And the stunt coordinators on the show. Darren mcguire and his team. They were so incredible. They used to train me like three to five times a week and i. I had the opportunity of being able to learn with my character because you know clary. Was this artist. Who kind of discovered this other side of herself and was thrown into this world and had to sort of find herself and find this power that she had no idea that she had and also find a family through that she learned to fight in the process. And that's something that i was by my mid season two. I was doing all my own fighting most of my own stunts which is just the best thing when you actually can get a gain a foundation of training as well. Was it something that you picked up naturally because you said you played softball and of course you turkeys and so that must have some sort of athletic foundation for for fighting. Well how. I started acting in the first place. I was a dancer. And i've been doing ballet since i was to It's just one of those things you know your parents say. Try all these activities and see what. See what you like you know. I think they were just trying to see what if this kid wants to do. What does she like what is going to be her passion and other than math. I'm and you remember. And you remember really enjoying ballet. Ballet was my my life other than you know school. It was but i never thought of it as a career just because where i grew up and sort of in my family everybody had has an artistic hobby. But it's an emmy. I never even knew that you know being a dancer. An actor could be job when you say you were a kid who loved this thing or were you just a kid. Who did the things it was. The thing did or do you remember like being like really like looking forward to going to ballet rehearsal. Let's say i did. I loved every minute of it. There was something about. In retrospect i was always on the road to becoming an actor and becoming storyteller. I didn't know that that was the point. You're a performer performing. Yeah i left performing. And i loved the stories i would look up. All the stories of the famous ballets. I knew every storyline by heart and i would watch them and just something about escaping into the music and hearing the story in the music and physical is that it was an escape to me and i never really knew why but then i ended up running into a family friend who was directing community theatre show and needed a dancer and i said well sure you know i was the kid who would try anything. I'll do something different for the summer. You you didn't have any sort of stage fright. No i was like sure. I'll give this ago. You never hurts to try. That was always my family's thing it's like you don't know what this food is. Try a bite works. If you don't know what this thing is just try and if you hate it you never have to do it again. Wow that's such a great thing to instill in a kid. That's such a great mindset. But i remember walking onstage on opening night of this theater show and something hit me like a brick wall. It's like this moment of clarity that you rarely have in life and i. I knew that. I had to tell stories for the rest of my life. And i knew that in that instant somehow that i was put on this earth to do that and be a part of this world was it. Just describe for the people who who don't haven't had that piff like what is it. You just enjoyed it so much you. It was kind of heightened enjoyment. 'cause i i've had similar experiences and i i always struggled to articulate how that felt. It's it's difficult. it's almost i think. Being the daughter of a scientist. I think through everything. And i try and reason everything. And it's it's a clarity and it's a certainty sort of an unquestionable truth than just came this moment. And how old were you then can about twelve. What was the show cat. What was the play. It was the king. And i know they needed some dancers. The royal ballet that happens in the middle of the show. Yeah of course. Yeah and then. What's the next step. You just keep you addition to the school plays. That's the thing i. This is the beauty of the kansas city theater community. There's so many opportunities of things to do and find and people that are willing to sort of young artists as their sort of finding themselves in coming into themselves and teach them the the hard work that it requires. But also the joy ed sweetheart. Do we both work out a little bit. I mean we're not inactive people. No i would say were active. In fact yeah i mean i like to work out. I like light workouts. i'd like to maintain. I remember those protein shakes being so chaki and later. When i got more into nutrition aware of what i was putting my body i came to realize that they were filled with crap. I'm there's so much crap in those things. 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That's like doogie howser degree at seventeen as well. So it's i just have been. I'm a huge nerd. Self climbed nerd. How did you do that. How do you get a college degree there quickly. I was crazy person. I did twenty credit hours. A quarter and i did it in my god so we use doing that from home. You didn't you didn't like stay. I would have gone to university. And actually i was planning on going to never thought i'd leave kansas city. I was convinced that i was gonna go work at the bank during the day and the banks close at five so i could make it to the theater by curtain And it was that was going to be my life. I worked with a woman. She went back to new york a few months later. I get a a random phone. Call that says. Hey i'm we have an audition for you for a broadway show with catherine zeta jones and angela lansbury. In today's do you want to come to new york condition. And i sort of went okay but it turns out this well. This woman was in a little night. Music on broadway revival and they needed an immediate replacement and she said well. Why don't you call this girl. She's in kansas city. But i think she'd do well and she'd be great for this so i'd never been to new york even just cruise and i thought okay. Well it's an opportunity to go to new york. I never auditioned for proper show. This is never going to happen to me again in my life. That's the tree. Digest the opportunity just to like they're going to you're to fly and stuff. I ended applying myself. But i i went out. There did the audition to the callback in the same day. Like trevor. Nunn was directing the show. Trevor people listening. He's one of the most legendary theater. Directors wow oh my god and that day to me was just that made my life but then i was at laguardia getting ready to fly home about forty minutes later and i get this phone call. And they say Did a great job. Congratulations come back in a week. Ready to stay for six months or more often with show you. How old at this point are you done with college. At this point i was almost graduated high school. So you're which means you're like fourteen. God oh my god. I'm fourteen years old. Living in new york working on a broadway. Show the first broadway show i ever physically saw on broadway was the show that i was joining. That's incredible. Who was the woman who recommended you. What a nice thing. Her name's leeann larkin and she is still to this day. A dear friend and a new mazing lay talented performer. Kevin's johnson's playing. My mom and angela. Lansbury was playing my grandmother and then six months into the run. They left the show. And bernadette peters elaine stritch to replace them. God that's just. Let's say that's just as good a being a fourteen year old girl wide eyed from kansas city. Coming to new york and working with these four women though they are as leading ladies. They taught me so much. I'm a forty two year old. Who's been doing. Oh my god allegra lane stretch recipe man. Play hero saved me on in so many. I want to hear about each of them. First of all. So catherine zeta jones. Do you do the whole like okay. i'm catch to. And what do we call each other little cab. Big cat going up. I was always catherine then. I started when i got to new york. One of the guys in the show. There were three catherine myself. Catherine zeta jones. And there was another catherine and one of the guys in the show pulled me aside and said all right there's too many catherine your katie mak. What was so great about it. I didn't have to think about it and suddenly it's weird thing when somebody gives you a nickname you automatically feel like accepted that you look up to and who's accepting. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so it was nice. I actually oddly liked katie. So in new york long katy or katie mac and then i moved out to la. And i was working with someone and they said no kidding back. I think more of a cat. I'm gonna call you cat all heads. Actually that's a funny elaine story. I i walked in addressing. Or elaine stretch. I walked in her dressing or monday. And she goes. Elizabeth elizabeth elizabeth and her dresser leans over. Because that's you. And then from then on. I was elizabeth. I don't know why she calls me. Elizabeth i don't know she knew she knew. My name is catherine katie's power move. That's an elaine. Stritch power move only erupted report by the way she call me. Elizabeth and i would answer to it. She was just a kick ask powerful woman love to she. Also she was in industrial mundane inch. Thomas you know. I'm going to thirty rock on monday. And you're gonna meet me at my at my hotel and we're going go to set and you're gonna come learn something with me you're gonna come to set and meet everybody and spend the day okay. Sure so she's like a real. She was just really like she was very odd. Odd simply alec baldwin's mom in the show. Yeah so to that. And i'm sitting in her dressing room while she's getting here and make dench goes. Why should go see what they're filming. Go learn something and so they call it. A pa host tv sets are especially said that they run like clockwork suddenly. There's this little kid. They you know they call a p and they go. Please take her to set. You know ms stretch says she's supposed to go learn something and so. I'm just sitting in video village listening you. I remember. I was watching a scene with jack mcbrayer. And he came over and he goes with his various lovely. Charming overuse kind of looking at me. Like who's this strange. It's been such a crazy experience moving from kansas city to new york and then i ended up getting a job In la actually my first. This'll be funny for you. My first job was beanie feldstein. No way play now is it was a disney channel pilot of all things. Oh my god. Oh that's funny so any form against the show so we but your music ends and you're now fourteen fifteen years old do you. Are you auditioning other things during this time. Are you thinking about moving or doing some going back. Kansas at that point. I knew i didn't want to go back to kansas city was in love with new york and just love that city so much and i feel i feel heartbeat in me all the time. You just hope. Point when you're doing broadway as a kid where you reach a height limit and you should too tall to be a kid on broadway young to be an adult imagine. I didn't know that but that makes sense. What's the high limit. It's like four ten five foot at that point yet and i was. I was like four ten when i started night. Music and actually in a lot of broadway kids contracts. There's a thing where if you grow a certain amount if you don't fit the costume basically because the costumes are so expensive. They're allowed to replace. You and i had surpassed that height limit long ago. Thankfully they never replaced me in the show like mickey rudy pills or something like judy. Get growth suppressants or something. Holy knows told to do that anymore. So i had been auditioning for film and tv. Which i had never done in my life. Although i've been doing other things as well like i did i. I have a. I'd like to say a small obsession but it's not. It's a very large obsession with anything. That lin manuel miranda. Does i had done a done. A few readings and things of new shows as they were being developed musicals and things like this one of them was a new version of peter. Pan that was being developed by out flock. More and jeffery sellars and all those people that work with lynn. And i had such a great time working group wendy. I was the first wendy. And the son of the thing. And i did it. Yeah it was just like a reading. You know around about in the rehearsal spaces that they do. But i remember being so enamored. Because lynn came to the presentation and i was huge fan of his work and new kind of it was right he had just gone back to in the heights because it had just one it was about it was going to close and all these other things but he came up to me afterward and pulled me aside and said keep doing what you're doing kid 'cause you're doing you're in the right place. You're doing what you should be doing that. Little bit of encouragement from somebody. I respected so much. So yeah so getting to watch the a part of that and watch hamilton rise and all of those things but starting to work in film and tv in doing little projects here and there eventually got me to booking it disney channel pilot which took me to los angeles. It was the first time they tried to do. High school musical. The series. you've now. I can see beanie doing. I can see you doing that. that sell the mean girl and she was one of my my head minion best time. Talk to everyone fun. It's so funny because you that you're playing the part and that beanies playing that part because she's such a sweet she is such. I mean you know some sweet person must must have been fun for you guys to play last needles and so then went so now your your kid in your teenager in la. Did you do that a big job. you did. The mindless runner maze runner. Sorry just with dylan. O'brien really nice guy. Yeah you did a bunch of those right. The last two there were three pounds. And i remember the first one to just come out in. This edition came up for maze runner and literally. It was one of those you know where they keep the script so secret and they released. Maybe a quarter of a page of dialogue from. You know this is what they do when it's something that's like a hot property like i guess maze rent which maze runner was right. It was like a huge series. They keep it very soon. They don't want anybody to leak the script. So they yeah. Which makes it hard to audition. Because you don't know the context you don't know anything about the character. Exactly runner was such a weird one for me. Because i did the audition and when you have two lines and a quarter of a page go in and you do it seven ways and you go. I don't know what the yeah. I completely forgot about it. You can't beat yourself up only so many ways you can. You can do those three lines adr either. What they're looking for it or you're not you know it's either meant to be it isn't and that's kind of how it goes. It's fascinating that you had that mindset i. It took me years to get you know rejection and of dealing with it being like. Yeah i mean you know. There are those that hurt a lot more than others than those they get attached to. That don't work out. But i one of my first mentor's. She was an actress in kansas city. And she told me one day she goes. Look you're just starting out. You don't know a lot about this yet but just remember that an actress job and you walk in that room and for ten minutes. That's your performance and you give everything you have and do your absolute utmost thing that you love most in this world for those ten minutes for that audience in that room and then you leave it behind you forget about it you move on with your life and if it's meant to be yours if we'll be if it's not it's just such a healthy outlook i mean i i i i also think it really helps the acting because then you're able to just be present and not be in your head. You're very lucky. I don't think you i've just always focused on the joy of it. What we do for a living. Is we play even at work. Sometimes you even when. It's our seventeen. And i i don't know if you're familiar with like the. Cw shows do the big crossover of air. All the superhero shows. Yes and you're doing now. You're on a green arrow now. Got to be a part of the crossover last year. As the the the new green arrow following up stephen a mile there was a moment that we were on set and it was probably like our seventeen and there was some big dramatic explosion thing happening. But i looked around the set and i'm in a super suit. And then there's you know steven green arrow and you've about the flash in a couple of superman super girl about women and all of these amazing people and just kind of go. This is this job. Yeah cool this is crazy. That's really i know. I know. I bet i bet you have those moments. Those moments more clear maybe on like when you get to see i kind of. I'm thinking about like characters that i grew up with that i grew up like idolizing me. Idolize these superman. They're they're they're in the suit and suits are cool. And yeah you must. It must be really clear and you must go right back to childhood. I in my wildest dreams. Did i ever think it as a kid that i would be doing any of this. I wouldn't have believed for a minute. You're very active with share. We mentioned twenty. Four hour plays Which goes to charity but You do a lot of stuff with an anti bullying anti bullying camp. It which is great. Because i do i. Do i do a bunch of pro bullying things. Curious what the other side is why. What drew you to that cat. Was that something that you witnessed growing up. I was bullied a lot as a kid. I feel like that's something that you know. In different scenarios in her life people go through different. Things and and kids aren't always nice And you know i was. I was very lucky to have a great relationship with my mom and to be surrounded by other good friends that that helped me see the other side of things. But they're the fuel really alone and kids that feel very isolated. And you know. If there's ever anything i can do to encourage people to be kind to one another. It's something people forget so often. It's just it's so much easier to be kind to someone. You have to go out of your way to be unkind most of the time and then you realize that you find that you would be started talking about conventions and stuff do you find. That is a message that is Being related at these conventions and all these different types of people you know like awkward kind of different people on the spectrum. You meet a lot of those kinds of people. Well i feel like i'm fluent in off. I'm very awkward clumsy individual. As well many many situations you can relate. I can very much relate an. i'm what i love about comecon. Especially when you're i got to go to san diego con and what astound me about it is. I'm a huge nerd for so many things like i grew up on star wars. I absolutely love all that. And there's so many things that i'm a huge fan of everybody. Comecon is a fan of something but also there because they're working on something so it's a sort of mutual community of everybody's everybody's just there to to nerd out and celebrate all these worlds that we love and all these stories that we love and especially when we're as shadow hunters. I was telling you a little bit earlier about the community that they've created and it's so nice to be in a space that people are just there to to be a community and to celebrate a mutual love of something and no matter who you are or where you come from or whatever about your life outside of that everybody's there to to be a part of something greater and there's something so special about the so rare anymore. There's a real purity to to the phantom as well there's a real like warmth and positively to it's just these an innocence like it's like a yeah like you said you're a fan of star wars still like i was thinking about the other day a friend of mine auditioning for star wars and as i hope she gets it. 'cause like i'd love to visit sat and meet c. Three i think i get like emotional things that we were a fan of something i shadow. Hundreds is based on a series of waie books. I grew up loving and height. Finally set up my book show. I was never without a book in my hand as a kid. And so i understand what those characters need to people and i understand the responsibility of bringing that life in a way that that does justice to source material. But also you know. I go through and i see. It's not just the community isn't just about us or about the story. It's it's about these kids connecting with each other as well. And you know. I've i've gotten to have the privilege of being witnessed to this community into watching fan artists who were sixteen when the show started that are now selling there are online through the art of all different things because they the phantom like supported them in promoting their work and became a fan of them as well or i've seen kids make friends cost countries and across the globe and find people that they can actually connect with and relate to and feel as though they are part of that they felt alone. I've noticed that must really connect with you because you grew up. You were only child and you were left your own device in terms of connecting to others. I'm sure that's why reading was important and white star wars characters like that where you really need it. Essential for a kid in your position. Now that i've noticed a cab that you do promote the you put up on your instagram. A lot other people's are fan art stuff. That's really cool. I i never. I saw it as being something that could go beyond fan art. I didn't know that it was but you know makes sense. That's hundred percent. I'd just. I see how much these kids poor their you know their heart and soul into this art that they make and drawings that they do you know we. We've all been those kids out there. That are making art about something passionate about. And and just the fact that something that i i get the privilege of doing what i love for a living and it inspires someone else's artistic impulse whatever i can to promote that and thank them for that and to you know encourage that more often than not i hear at the cynical take on that which is like cheese. Calmed down this person's really obsessed with mayor like really like you know. I've never heard somebody expressed so purely the positive outlook on it. Which is your like leading with kindness in a way. That's really it's nice. It's refreshing feel like it's kind of brought out a lot of people's true colors in very interesting ways and all kind of dealt with it differently but i think kindnesses is the kind of thing compassionate. Kind of the key to everything anymore. The sears kind of been framed in a very strange way for me because i at the beginning of the year i just finished shooting the stand which is a the stephen king mini. Talk about it. Yeah yeah the trailer looks amazing. Thank you Why am i so cares where you shot it. But where did you shoot it. Vancouver and stand is like well yeah apocalyptic and it's that what timing They know that there was going to be a really. Don't think so Making this project and then going into this year and almost feeling a weird sense of deja vu for a minute. Wait a minute this god. That's so weird way you did. You read the stand when you were a kid. Because i was one of the books. I love stephen king. Probably not as much as you. But i try. I couldn't i was too. It was too daunting. I remember kids would carry it around kelly bragging like they were reading it and i think even carried it around for a little bit. Pretend your cat is going and right away. She's off her chair to reach for her copy of the sandwich Yes looks read. It looks red wine while it's a huge one. And so how. How many episodes set eight nine nine episodes and it's a whole book. It's they got through the whole and let's let's cool about this. But you'll appreciate as the stephen king fan seeking was huge part of the writing process of the limited series and he wrote a new ending. Wow so you can and and went. I'm not thrilled. you know. He he wanted to amend it as it were and say something else and so we got to do that. And it's great. That's that's cool. Because though i haven't read it i imagine. He was written in the late eighties. Early nineties yeah. He must have a. I'm sure newfound insight into what apocalypse apocalypse might look like in. I'd be curious what he's that's cool. What i love about this is that you know obviously once we get through this kind of period of time and in december. When this comes out we will have lived in this new world for almost a year. And i think i you know. There's the thought of our people going to be sick of pandemic and disease and world ending and things like this and what's great about the stand as it's less about especially our our interpretation of it it becomes less about the disease and less about the destruction of the world and more about the people that are left and what happened after and sort of makes a statement about. It's the choices that you make that. Determine your destiny and what you stand for that kind of says a lot about who. You are your core. Despite the external circumstances yeah like how you behave in higher stakes situations like heightened situations. I and that's kind of what you're saying. We're all discovering now. Probably not as heightened as the stand yet definitely not. I think my character is the the example of who not to be in the apocalypse and the antithesis. Of what i hope people will do. Wow how cool you get to play characters like that that you you seem so grounded sweet but you get to play characters who make bad choices. It was a lot it was it was a very interesting experience. Because i've been playing heroes for a lot of years doing the supernatural thing and then doing arrow for so long. It's literally playing a superhero for a minute I haven't played a villain in a really long time and it was as an actor. I loved it because getting to do something different and kind of stretch yourself in that way is very interesting. But you know when you're on set and you're making choices and you think to yourself you what's the choice. In this scenario that makes me feel like the grossest worst possible human being and having that be the right choice for the character kiss him very interesting heads space. eleven had despicable. And somebody another another adult is like you nailed it. Yeah that's a strange thing and julie's interesting she's you know she's sort of hedonistic narcissistic glutton of the apocalypse which is is very comforting glitter. And for you know. All manner of things So she's not into the masks. She's a no massacre. no definitely a no massacre. Getting getting to live in the world of vegas and alex. Cars guard is randall. Flagg is just evil. Who who was the first one. 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A lot of us back that are not only from there but the they've all kind of worked with accumulated over the years. It's the best weekend That's really cool. Okay the big slick. I'm glad you mentioned that. If you have one snack food for the rest of your life what would it be. I have to say bread and cheese in any sort of like. It's one of my favorite. I mean growing up my my family's Mostly swiss so every house. We have good bread. Good cheese and good chocolate. It's just it's kind of in our blood as it were. But i grew up eating as a snack. My grandma would make bread or we would always have really great brad and just hanging out doing it but then now that i've traveled more to of my favorite things when i'm in a different country that if i'm in paris i'll go grab some bread and cheese and just wander the city and i really do think i could survive on bread and cheese alone man. Yeah i've cheese. I could do without but the bread bread and butter. And i'm thinking like really delicious hot breads that i've got. Am i hungry. Okay what's your. What's your swimsuit chocolate to. What's your go-to chocolate. I actually i did. This is a little surprise. I got stuck on a layover in an airport in switzerland last year and i stopped it. I was. It was near christmas. And i stopped to get some chocolate for my grandma and my great aunt and so. That's kind of been our goto. I got them a couple boxes of little tiny squares. So that's that's usually my go-to but they've they've been get little. My grandma just learned to take a selfie. So i get like self as from my grandma with her chocolate with her tea in the morning. And oh man. it's really cute do they. Do they have access. They're not swiss swiss with so their life has missouri accent. I'll tell you that much family is from missouri. What's that sound like. Like how would you say Oh yeah i'm from missouri. Where it's hard to find. You want to find good barbecue. Go to missouri. I have a weird time doing a missouri. Because when was an army brat. So when i first learned to talk i was actually. I was born in in the south so when i first started to talk. This is how i spoke and i had more of a north carolina. Georgia accent moved to missouri. And i kind of lost it somehow. So my accent is yes so. My accent is a weirdo. Validation of a lot of different things southern to to at what point did you end up then in missouri. Probably two and a half. When i moved to missouri but i definitely learned to speak elsewhere. But it's always funny. I always. I always put it this way when people ask what missouri accent as i say we take all the ours from boston and throw them in where they don't belong. Oh that's funny. Oh my god. I'm trying to. I'm trying to hear that. Now things in any rs. Yeah or there harbor and for example in a shadow under because they didn't realize i had a midwestern accent until this but we we had a a term called down worlders winter trying to say a word like down worlders or where wolves or things like that ours. Get into way. Oh my god. We're where wolves where. So how are you saying it. In the beginning. I just noticed in the world. Just i always it when you're tired and it's for an you've been fighting demons for seventeen hours. It's hard to say where it sometimes. Yeah that's That's an understatement. That it's hard to you. Just wanna go hormann in worship and worship and go to bed worship worship What's your movie of all time. Some really bad favorites. I always say these in this may actually just changed in the past week but gilda with rita hayworth princess bride and usual suspects. It's funny. I killed i now. I wanna see give because those those other two are so gilded okay. Yeah clutching her heart. She collects your heart and is very. Yeah it's kind of the end of noir and the beginning of kind of that old. Hollywood glamour of the thirties and forties. And it's just. The film is just feels like velvet. It's an old gangster. Movie starring. rita hayworth is this gangster moll who runs the show but It's just a beautiful film if you to live somewhere else. We kind of talked about this book. Where the next you want to go. But where would you live. If you could live somewhere else. I would love to live in london. I just feel like it very meant has the same sort of energy and pace as new york city but with a history that we don't have here in the united states. If you could have dinner with three people dead or alive from you've never met debendra rule a little bit. Because i'd love to have elaine stritch at the dinner just because it's so many things i didn't get to talk to her about and say to her because i you know knowing her when i was fourteen fifteen now so much more about her life and ten years of of of being woman in the industry and just being a woman in general. There's so many things. I want to ask her and talk and discuss great stories like they're probably fourteen at the time i'm sure she censored herself somewhat around you now even a little bit. Oh no but she has for millennia. I'm sure i would love to have think the economist and the musical theater nerd in me with love to have alexander hamilton. At the table you know especially given the year that we're pro the the economy that we're probably about to entering we need somebody who you know. He's fixed it before he can help us fix it again. And i know what he thinks of. The musical die would love to know that person. I'd love to be Sidney lumet or sitting the man. I never know how to say his name. That's always one of those names. I'm afraid to bring up. Because i'm not totally confident and how to say. Yeah lumet's lou. May sidney lumet sidney lumet i think as well but i when i was prepping to shadow the director i read his book making movies and was unequivocally like reinspired as to why i love telling stories because from the moment you start that book you can tell that it's yes it's written by director but it's written by a storyteller first and foremost yeah something that i would love to do. Who's your who's your favorite muppet. Oh statler and waldorf. Oh yeah great commentary. Yeah yeah yeah. Speaking of the best. This'll be the best one Yeah love them and that they could get away with being such. It's so funny. I never thought they were mean you know. They said the meanest stuff but they were like there was something that i may because they were old and like the only cut to them every once in awhile. I never was turned off by them. Now this is an endearing sarcasm to them. And i loved it. Yeah if you had to be age for the rest of your life physically what you pick a hard question for me. Because i know i know i know i. I recently asked the thirty year old. Disney relied twenty eight twenty nine. I would like to feel like you know. The best is yet to come so at thirty thirty three. Maybe but also i don't know twenty three. I was training and had endless energy to work seventeen hours and train a budget. Well and i mean. I still kind of in the same way but i I would like have that level of energy. God if you could be if you could be reincarnated as as non human animal. I would probably say a house cat. Yeah just because i you know. They lay in the sun and they get to roam around and have adventures of their own and ida cap that played fetch as a kid and generally loved. Yeah rather be called unattractive run funny unattractive at this weird thing and i don't know if it's it's not really a weird thing but i i really don't like the idea of measuring self worth based on appearances and i think it's gotten to be such a habit in our society but there's so much more to a person than your appearance and and your quote unquote whatever that's perceived to be. I find humor to be quite admirable and it's something that i love doing comedy and ice fired that i'm in such awe of people who are comedians and are so funny all the time i i would so much rather be considered funny attractive. You know. it's funny. I sell you. You were on set. I saw some of the set. Herzog's thing and i was like. How does how does more. How set the cat and like how did they put slick that makes sense now. Yeah did you watch the golden girls when you were a kid. I've seen it. Yeah okay which who do you. Identify with dorothy blanche rosa sofia at so i. I really do think. I'm somewhere between dorothy and blanche because i am very pragmatic and can be very sarcastic but also like i love to have a good time dogs or cats. Say both okay. 'cause i i grew up with it's cats choice but i can't help but i i i love those. I just love animals beatles or the rolling stones. Because i just worked at abbey road studios. I think i have to say the beatles hard. That's a tough one talking about skittles the other day. Are you skittles person. I do like skittles. I i would say for us candy goes. I'm this is my favorite time of year because candy corn is. It's such a polar. But i love candy corn. No kidding yeah. I never got into candy corn for some reason i. I don't know why. I think a problem with the it wasn't wrapped at. I was always a bit of a german. Now you just scoop it up. Candy corn all right. I wonder what's going to happen this year. People are not going to go out. I don't know i. I'm trying to figure that out because i ll. Obviously i love dressing up for halloween and actually well. La but toronto's an amazing town for halloween time here. It's so fun if you can imagine like all the bars otton and all of toronto is just that but everybody's dressed for halloween. Oh fun for some reason. I don't know. I thought it was an american thing and the canadians might not really embrace it but did you. Did you ever go out in your costume. Inured for work. Yeah no we didn't do reno but we used to do group costumes as we did. We did like a year or two group costs. All of the shadow hunters gang. We would all go out dressed up sort of coordinated and we had. We had a good time but I did movie with john heater. Wants and he and we convinced him to go out. There is a local. You're shooting in somewhere in long island. Some small town in long island and there was like a local on the local morning show. I heard like mike and mike. An bear cat We're having a contest. I come on down to mix swing ins and we the first prices one hundred dollars for customers and we got john heater to we convinced him to go dynamite it. We ended up shooting late so we didn't go. I was so mad i was. I was so looking forward to this thing but we were all laughing like well. What if he came in you know what if he didn't win. It'd be so which would be funny. It'd be funny either way. I guess a great story. And that's all you want. Yeah it would have been. Here's was not a great story the fact that it didn't happen and it almost happened and i'm telling this is so fun i thank you for doing this. I just had such a good time. I was really honored when you asked. I have so many friends that love your show. And i love your show. It's visits pleasure. Thanks god thanks for doing this. Well what were you thinking. What was i thinking. Why did you say that so i don't know i didn't have much. I like doing a generic We're having fun coming back from. I wasn't thinking of anything to not be thinking of something while you're doing your catchphrase through the catchphrase catchphrase. How do you feel that you just call it pretty well. It is a catch phrase. It's not necessarily ours. it's ours. Okay well now you just confirmed the douching is how do you feel dushi. She'd have a catchphrase. We have show it's she to refer to it and that's true that's true. Well what are we supposed to say about it. I mean it's a thing we do every show. Well it's also difficult to talk about. Shorties all them fan or two to refer to yourself as having any degree of fame. See i can't even say famous. You get so bashful when you say that word fame horrible. I'm famous i'm famous. It's really not easy. It's because it's gross sounding like a sound bite culture so you know god forbid somebody just look somewhere. I'm famous next to like we're tells us weekly got out. She's very sweet right. Yeah very sweet has and does this. Make me sound old to say that. She has a good head on her shoulders. Oh you know out of an old fashioned term and it sounds like i know what you mean. I mean it that way. I agree with you. I know it's funny impressive. She and bright. She's like i know. She said she was like doogie howser. And i'm not sure if she got the reference because she's so yeah. I forget how you're born after that show was a show she was born. When like how i met. Your mother was in. Its third season. I don't know for sure that's true. She was born during. I bet when dawson's creek was just coming on the air. Yeah wow yeah. But she is so impressive intellectually and emotionally like an emotional intelligence. It seems that that betrays her years was spent gun. Yeah and she You know. I didn't know that. She had such a theater background that she was a real like kid. Well i'm curious. Now to see shadow hunters see. I don't really see a lot of hip on the trends now. I don't know much about the young adult world. The your world queen. Tally met her at the twenty four hour place thing and we were leaving to go to an after party. And a bunch of people got rushed by autograph people autograph seekers and I remember seeing her. Get like oh people want an autograph in and then. I watched her show. She's really really good actress. And i feel like i need to tell about people. Follow her on instagram. Know this because she put just posted about it but she just got an a major. She took a major spill. Recently poor cat show hiking's talks about how much she loves hiking and and she mentioned that she was clumsy. I think in the interview. Yes she took this major spill and had had to be. I think she was an ambulance. Compatriot she hobbled down the hill and she has major like really fucked up her leg really badly i think she's offer feeding effort two weeks. I don't know why i felt the need to say that. It pops into your head you. Yeah a microphone in front of me. And i'm not great at self editing. Amazing imagine going to new york city from a small town in missouri missouri. Is that from waiting for guffman that you think about that Yeah i do but you guys in the span of ninety seconds you both seddon missouri like twelve. I did. I was calling missouri back and forth and i can tell you. Were just calling him missouri. Because she was yeah. I don't that's not. Naturally i always say i said missouri but i- it's like oregon oregon. I heard once. I may be speaking out of turn but people from missouri ms people from there say missouri. And if you are from out of state and yearly visiting and you call it missouri. You're considered a poser. See i and i could be very wrong. I always thought it was depending on. Where in the state you live like certain parts of the state can you can someone Fact check us i. I should've asked her. That would have been good question. She also said. I've never heard anyone pronounced it this way. How do you pronounce sin city city. Oh las vegas right me too. Yeah i almost. I almost said sin city just like you said some people say sensiti. She pronounce it vegas. Oh i've heard vegas you have. Yeah las las vegas. She said that a lot to vegas vegas. I've heard that before that that might be originalism regionalism that might be missouri Missourian missouri to sit it. I laughed when you very excitedly promoted or show that's gonna be on. Hbo december and it's not on hbo. You said it with such gusto. This december on stephen king's the stand she's like. Cbs all access but amazing matching a fourteen year old girl from missouri. And going to new york for this big audition on broadway and having never been to new york august. I'm living here for six months as a fourteen year old takes a certain type of cigarettes. Yeah that i don't have. I pictured her in those No talking about going to montessori school and she's like. I teach her just like a found a spark in me. And as as she's talking about montessori school i i was thinking i would montessori school to in preschool so far no one saw smart maybe for a sign it was like just blended in is that who's paying drugs. I keep thinking in relation to cat. The i keep picturing her in a painting by That famous winslow homer does. She seem like she she could be in. A winslow homer painting. I don't know. I just that vibe like growing up in missouri and small town. I pictured her playing fields of wheat. Yeah chasing turkeys. Yeah baby that's where it's from. I was surprised when she said she. Then after saying that she was did all these things and and she was so like. You know such a tomboy. I don't know if i use that term anymore for chasing turkeys getting dirty. I don't think you can. And then she said she was. A ballet dancers. Do is in that. Stretch having known some ballet dancers. I know that that is like a fulltime twenty four hour a day commitment. I always feel the need to correct you just to clarify that. You're not saying belly dancer. Ballet she was a two year old belly dancer. Now thankfully when you astor if you prefer dogs or cats she goes. Oh i can i pick both. I like both of them and you go. Yeah to sophie's choice and then right away you go not so such a such a wrong to say i saw. This choice is not so say well. I corrected myself right away. Yeah it's funny when she said. Us favorite emoji and she goes. Well i shouldn't say this. I've been spending a lot of time with guys and a lot of life and so she set it up. I thought for sure she plan or cheery and she was like like a smirk. face be had. It's innocent off to what i thought was going to be a filthy emoji. Yes she has an innocence. That is uh really refreshing. Yeah she's also young wrote. Maybe that very youngest guest reminds me a bit. It makes sense that their friends and they get along beanie feldstein. Oh yeah that other makes perfect sense totally. Yeah i can save. Similar kind of lightness and plucky nece. I like asking them both. Like what age if you could pick any age now. Yeah it's like something. I probably haven't been yet. Yeah she's like three years from now he's probably gonna be great. Imagine having a brain like hers and having done the things she's already done being being young. It's like okay. This definitely sounds condescending. But like i'm just so. I'm so excited for her. I'm so like. I'm just jealous. Because i like think he'd be jealous of somebody that you'd like but i'm like i'm a little jealous of her age. Jealous is too ugly of a working ugly. It's also hard to be jealous when you're forty two year old man. I know you are trying to be jealous of a like a twenty four year old blonde actress. We were thinking we weren't we talking about nephews the other day and i said something like that like i wish there so lucky to have their whole lives have. You're not competitive with three or with her. Es case yeah. I don't know the word is there. Sh- there should be a word a non ugly jealousy. yes. I like in japan. The japanese have a word for it. Don't you think they would ever word for it. They have words for things that whenever i hear a japanese word that we don't have him is i often think. Oh man. shall we have jealousy envy. They're both ugly words. Yeah it's interesting to think of words like it's like a doting suggests that should there should be a word for that and they're you know they're probably as we don't know it Yeah they're probably. I know we're giving too much credit. There's a word. That i found that ryan philipe put on instagram. The other day it was so good. I was like oh god. Why don't we have this word. So the japanese have this word for when you're not hungry but you eat because your mouth is lonely. It's called kuchi. Saab be she. Could she be she. That's like board eating right. Yeah but i find myself very privileged thing to say. But i find or like if you're stoned or something that's different though when you're not hungry but you eat because your mouth is loan lunar stone. You feel hunger. Yeah that's true but don't you ever. I wanna say like like late afternoons. I find myself just like What's there to put in my mouth. I'm not necessarily like. I'm so privileged. I now apply. God notice the union ships in the like mid mid to late afternoon. Yeah hey let's let okay. Great letter from judson alabama. I've always liked that name. There's a kid in our neighborhood. Remember the there's an older boy in our neighbourhood who was probably only three years older than us judson thumb through so cool. But he's a man no he must be a man now he's deaf. I mean yeah probably yeah judson. This is from judson up. Think that's his real last name up. Up yeah could that be a real last name Judson up it could be could be short for like a up because such a disgusting picture of me that you have and you my own. Yeah it's horrible. What i call that the pick. What do you have of me. You have a gross when of me. I don't have any. Thanks subject. Or no. I do i do sorry oh no. It's the old time you remember that app. Oh yeah it makes you like. Oh that was great. Yeah that you can. You can photoshop your face onto like old. Luke look like who are the roles. What's ed sullivan ed sullivan. Why isn't gentleman ladies and gentlemen judson up now was terrible subject to just to just justin from judson. He must get judge. Just an odd judson must get in all the time. It's kind of cruel to name your kid shuts it is. I didn't realize that. Hillary justin and christian. Thanks so much for taking the time or cruel. To name you justin. Well no because if you're going to be like oh you mean judson i think asking. Yeah okay okay. Sounds defended my name. Thanks so much for taking the time to read my letter. I'm a performer. On a cruise ship in the before times but i have had my career appended due to circumstances beyond my control. I've taken to listening to your podcast to keep my spirits up in my newly-acquired free time. Now thanks judson. Justin based on my looks and personality people. Tell me you're the actor who had playmate a movie. So i guess i'd better get cracking at doing something movie worthy christian. I only know you from this podcast. But i'm excited to see the film that you ingest in talk about. I just wanted to say thank you so much for all you do for us. Your fans really nice. My older boy. I lost my older brother in two thousand thirteen. And i always enjoy listening to your brotherly banter here. It helps me. Imagine having those same types of conversations with him. I am always entertained by both of you. And your special guests and it makes me feel better about myself when i hear how quote normal human. You are even though you're celebrities out. If i ever met you we could have a silly voice contest. I would love that. Whoever was listening with not my strongest are ghalem. Oh wow i wish i could do a good golic homes tough make preparations. Captain jack sparrow. And michael cain ends are good ones. I don't think i've ever heard you try these. His probably reason for that off. Try off thank of charleston. Michael cain everyone sort of does him now. Now what is it terrible pause for just and give them a try. We're back. i really do. Love your podcast started. It's funny to lump together column. Captain jack sparrow. Michael cain and say call them silly voices kane is listening. He's he might be a each out now if i'm not listening. I like the way they presume to know their fans. I know michael. Caine probably best when i think of mccain what do you think of when you think of michael route. Well bruce i guess alfred. I saw them from chose the revenge jaws for. I watched that movie so much as a good guy. My first instinct was her sister not that long ago. Know the most recent michael cain. We'll seen in fact. That was my chair. I swear to god it's my pants. Housed this chair subtle subliminal ab. Yeah we love our both to love your view. New worry pants sponsor okay I really do love you. Back to jetson i really do. Love your podcast. I even tried. Bud light seltzer per your recommendations speaking of sponsors and has just say it's a home run folks. would i say that. I've i've ever say that i don't know i f- jetson. It's a home run. It's a home run folks. I don't know if i've ever. I've ever setbacks johnson might think you're a lot lamer than you think you are. Maybe not much lamer but a little later. Would you rather questions for you are as follows. Okay great would you rather be a ghost in your childhood home where nobody that you know can see you or hear you or live longer than every person that you've ever met and you can only die once they've all died because our childhood home is occupied currently by apparently. He's so frustrating. If they couldn't see you. That and i don't know if i'd want to hear the stuff. They might say about me dark if they were to say stuff about me. Not that there's talking shit about well you know. I know but you'd want. I wouldn't even want to now. Here's what i want. I wouldn't want to over here. The either of them grieve. That would be very difficult and not be able to comfort them by being like. I'm here though. I it's okay and does mean currently right go back to your childhood and look out forbid somebody. That would be a nightmare. I 'cause i've thought about that too. If you're haunting place that you grew up in. Because i think i would if i were to haunt to place it probably be where we grew up because we lived there for so long lead such a shitty thing to do to haunt. Your parents wouldn't haunt them in a bad way. Like scare them like aunt has a certain. Am i going to be mischievous connotation. Don't you think i sincerely heart good haunting. But if you don't qualify it by saying a good haunt you're going to sue bad. I don't think i don't think so. I mean you can want. Yeah i think about. I think you're wrong. Let's referring to what's a bar that you loved in college. That would be an old haunt of yours. that's different. That's a totally different. Meaning of the word to haunt someone. I want this. I bet they're all degrees of haunting not talk about our movie again. But every time i described the plot of the move the premise of the about a ghost and a woman who's playing the ghost as as arena tour guide. Rian anxious starts haunting the reenactments. But i always qualified by saying. It's sort of good hong idea to actually because otherwise got positive haunting otherwise you're gonna assume that's true but when it comes to yeah you're right you're right all right so would you rather be in your home where nobody can see. I would assume that the present day president. I would assume that it's at least a neutral haunting okay. I would still dried out. I would outlive all my really. Yeah i don't think i'd want to do that. I think i'd but then you wouldn't have to see. I know it's horrible to think okay. Well that'd be bad. The more i think about that when the tough out everyone. I know 'cause you'd want to. That's why i want to live a long time. Of course but i think that's what i don't want to have to witness all my loved ones dying either. Do i such existential dribs and judson. Jesus but i think that's why a lot of judson dealt with the death and he. He's probably thought a lot about this. I i think that's why people want to have kids. I i know that's a reason is a selfish reason. Why i wanna have kids and I really cultivate a relationship with my younger relatives. Because i wanna be comforting to have somebody there when you go any way out You know i'm changing my mind. I'm gonna i'm gonna haunt. Yeah because i was outliving everybody. And then there's something very but lonely about the idea of being old and having all your people go of course but it's also comforting knowing that there is in fact an afterlife you. You're just the ability to haunt your proof of it. That's true that's true. I am firmly a completely changed. Some rare rare one little one eight okay number two which you rather have to eat out of a garbage can on the weekdays but can eat anything you want on the weekends or have your brother justin christian quote mama bird or your food. On the weekends i curate. The garbage can now can't curate a garbage can like it's a spread you know garbage. That's why in the garbage can. You can't like place bill gross. It's in a garbage. Can i dunno judson on setback. But my question is what garbage can if it's like a garbage can behind a random red lobster. I'd rather have you baby bird food into my mouth. Is that hard. Wouldn't you because you might not find anything. I would find stuff that like old rice. That i didn't finish from chinese takeout or find stuff to eat. You'd eat rice all week. Fine yeah i now got him otherwise. I making me physically nauseous. It's awful but. I think i would get used to doing that. It would be awful for the first two months month number three. You present your mouth to me. It would own always be sort of gross. But i think you get used to it. I think i get used to but You might get used to a dumpster diving because that there's two. There's too many variables in that. There's not. There's not enough guarantee that i would be able to eat to survive. You'd find a good dumpster utah. Lake's fish heads. No but you can win. And that's my question. What dumpster. I think you can. I think you can go in search better dumpsters. Oh then that changes the whole thing. Think about what we used to throw can go from dumpster dumpster and eventually land on delicious dumpster. Remember that bagel place or like the the coffee shop we worked at. That's totally different. You live on like per. But i would. We would take them to the homeless shelter at. They were a day or two days old or something but then after that if they were more than that we throw them out and even more than that it was like. It's not that bad of a funny story about our really. What i was in high school worked at the same call. This bag of two day old bagels. And and i put it in. My car is very messy when i was in high school and i put the two day old bag of like huge bag of bagels in the back seat of my car and i was driving around for. I would say a good two and a half three months and at one point. I was driving my friend who didn't have his driver's license yet. Who's now a physics professor at a very well respected university. Yeah and. I was very smart person and i say who it is. No he knows his and he was in the backseat of my car. And i remember driving. And i glanced up at the rear view mirror and he was eating something. And we're on our way to get food and i was like. What are you eating. Really about to go with diner. And he said i can wait. I'm so hungry. I said well. What are you eating bagels here. And i looked over and i saw that he had dipped into this old bag bagels and i was like power hitting that. He's like a pretty good little stale. I guess my friend is proof that you can. You can eat a three month old big well there. You go doesn't that then. Do you wanna change your answer to this. Would you rather to my. I can't answer this. Would you rather without at least one question mike questions. What can i pick the dumpster. I if it's my own garbage out pick garbage okay. Really great question. That jets number three. Would you rather kiss a king cobra snake every night before. Sleep or have a tarantula for a bed mate. Tarantula it'd be less dangerous kissing king cobra you die you kill you well. I'm assuming that in both scenarios you're not going to die. It's just the fear of it right like it's just the aren't you would. It's doing it. I think it's doing rather kiss a king cobra every night before sleep. Which on the face. But then let's assume that you're not gonna die from either scenarios just which one would be scared to you. Well if if there's an assumption that you're not gonna die than than that eliminates a lot of fear like well. no you still get. They can still bite you. I i don't think i'd be able to fall asleep knowing that. There's a torrential in the bed. Yeah i would say if they're equal let's say for argument's sake they're equally. Dangerous really takes the least dangerous one right. Let's say there aren't that dangerous because they don't really know. But i'm saying for the sake of the hypothetical and it's just the act of doing this thing. Let's say they're equally dangerous. Okay in that case i would. I would rather kissed the snake away. And i'm awake. Yeah and they're more control over it. Whereas when i'm sleeping god knows where that translate and you can maybe get good enough. Like some of the snake charmers at Holding their mouth. Shut or something. I don't know like you could She's i be so afraid to handle it cobra. I it would have to be if it were not defanged or or You've maybe maybe. I'm not imagining the king cobra deadly now. I know but maybe see. I picture snakes right now. I'm picturing when. I think of snag week in the animated robin robin hood My god i what. I'm picturing ikea fan. I i've like a visceral reaction. When i think of being around tran. Yeah tarantulas are really know and you should because a lot of people have as pads i. I've had friends who have had them on them in movies. I've seen that right at home alone. Could questions. But i would have again. I need follow up questions if this were if it were if the venom had been. They've been milked which is cool thing to watch. If you've never seen it. I would pick the snake and if not pick the trash just because it's like one of them's going to kill you and one one okay. Thanks again back to thanks again. For bringing so many smiles laughs and quote that happened takes two days and keep fighting and teasing each other as brothers to. It's really nice. Your fan shots and that is so nice. Thank you judson and I really sorry to hear that about your brother and Really grateful to hear that you are appreciating the show and enjoying it and If you also want to write in any would you rather than anything you know. You know the anything anything Life is short at wondering dot com. I wonder if he ever gets jetson me. Jordan johnson when people Misunderstands name out jets. Jump cherie it's just an all. The time i get i've when i mumble. My name's you ever get dustin dustin. I'm sure i have i. It doesn't happen enough for me to remember the last time dust in justin. Yeah gun dustin. But doesn't again like the justin judson thing is less common name right Chester allot ham. Justin at chester. Actually recently. Maybe i've made more of an effort to to enunciate my name but I haven't heard that in a while. Chester or maybe it's because chester is just becoming a much more obsolete. You don't meet many chester's i. How many babies have you met called chester. so thanks again to judson and to our wonderful guest. Yeah the the. I'm gonna call her cat mcnamara. I feel i feel familiar with her now. Doesn't she also seem like really easy going to the point where she would not care. She seems to not care about things like names now she. She said that people kept giving her new nickname. That's my name now. 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"Please, don't take this. Go. Get the. A Dude it. Call the COPS. There's a plant singing Boston name and the van you freak. She liked Mr Bean Rouge. Perfect I find you so a sexual use. It use it, don't me? Frankenstein. Live team. It's the fastest our in podcasting. This is never not funny now. Your host Jimmy Pardo. Hello everybody welcome to the program. The program's name has never not funny. I'm the host of the program. My Name's Jimmy Part. We welcome you in a beauty here in California. Way Beautifully Sunny Monday afternoon, early late late morning may close to noon, but hot- hotter than hell outside hot, hot, hot, other and No. That's A. Kiss off the your author hotter than hell album that is the title title track hotter than Hell off the hotter than hell album by the rock band kiss, who at one point in their career was hotter than hell? They then did that that. Kiss meets the Phantom of the Amusement Park Golf how they call the pen or the park. Made for TV movie that every kid stayed home and watched and then didn't know how to talk about it on Monday was so fucking horrible. But they. Kiss was so busy apparently that they did not. Fulfill the obligation. I am getting facts wrong. That they did not have any new songs A. Package that as I want to say wreck wreck wreck in destroy. They did for that. That was the new song and it was. A bummer can ask you question Jimmy happy. How old were you in Phantom of the park? came out on TV twelve. Yeah, okay. Was it seventy eight? Seventy at police! If you would I, only ask because I feel like what I've noticed. And I. Guess I remember this from from childhood to, but I'm noticing it with Charlie. Is that kids of a certain age have no taste. They just watch whatever, and if it's even in the the if it's in within a thousand miles of their interests, they like it, and then it doesn't matter. We just over the weekend. We just watched a movie Zoe. Zoe went to a friend's house because they were doing a outdoor. They were watching a movie outside socially distanced with a outdoor projector, so we were like great, we can watch something Charlie would like. The Zoe doesn't care about. And we chose the big green, which is a nineteen ninety two Disney movie about soccer, and it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It is unbelievably bad I cannot believe when you look at Disney today. Just even twenty years back. Look at how bad some of their movies where it's. It's bonkers. that they were letting stuff like this through, but Charlie loved it because it's about soccer, so he was great man, and he doesn't like usually WANNA watch movies, but after that when he's like okay, I'll watch. I'll watch any sports movie. That was his like new concession. All right well, thank you. So I, I, guess what I'm saying is. If you had just been eight. When that movie came out, you would've loved it. nineteen, Seventy, eight, seventy eight. Yes, so does it say it in September or August? When was that guarantee? Tober like around Halloween I talked to go right so I. I wasn't fact twelve years old so Yeah, just too old for that too old. To appreciate to how often it was her and yet not care I mean it should have been. Geared towards your age because that's I mean they made a terrible movie. That's there. Because, honestly like that's you're the perfect target age for kiss the band in general and their. as Paul Stanley so many times. They thought they were going to be doing their hard day's night. there. Help like their version of the Beatles movies where they might not be great, but they're fun and people enjoy them, and that none of that happened just a UNWATCHABLE FM mess it is I mean it's fucking awful. It's awful. I couldn't even polite another movie. Sleep deprived. I am Hey. You got that one on blu-ray. Kiss versus the family of the part. Yeah, yeah, no, no, here's the thing I've been trying to track that down to give Jimmy for his birthday for ever. I thought it one place for cheap by the time I went to order it. It was gone. Certainly believe we already have it here at the house like. A while ago you because I. Know How bad I am with getting gifts anyway. I don't know how my acting would have been on even handing to say thank you on that. You watched it. You know I tried to convince Aliyu, either did watch it five years ago, or I tried to convince him to, or maybe he he would have been too scared. You know as a kid you hear Phantom and you don't know. I kept saying it's it's. It's not even as scary as a scooby Doo. It's like there's nothing to this man but I. don't remember if we watched it He's a camp. Today's doing A. Animation camp. Online of course and so I cannot bother. I cannot bothering today. With with our bullshit. Can't just tell them father needs him can imagine. Relief that set over him when he realized Oh my God. I have doing something on Monday and so yeah I dad can interrupt me. Drag me into his bullshit. He is If you're not getting US forever, grateful that this week is the that. Camp I wish he had a camp every week quite frankly, but they just weren't. As where's this out? There just weren't good options this summer and that's bizarre because there should have been a Castilian options at least for Oliver. There weren't a lot of good options. I'm sure for some other kids. There were but I always bring. Bring this up every year. That done We send a record either on or around this date. July thirteenth it is the thirty fifth anniversary live aid. Which means that I know exactly what I was doing I was sitting on my couch with my mom and step dead. The entire day while I had the chicken box that is the. Just. so which means that now is I get into my fifties shingles right around the corner so looking forward to getting shingles as an adult. which I hear is painful and awful, and it lies Dorma new then it either pops up or it doesn't. It's not a lock because I had chicken pox as well. It is not locked, but. I've had it. You've had shingles. How old were you when you had them? Giving US thirty? Something it. It's. It's bad. It hurts. That look forward to Elliott a few. If I wish they can just rename shingles I. Think it's both brother worst name it's. Isn't it bad enough that it exists now? We have to call it something really disgusting and I think it's a Tive, but is it. The right way, does it. Does your skin turned into shingles? Looks Right, doesn't it Garin? Look like it's like roofing shingles. Kind of hanging off of you're like ruffle. Come on man. It looks like it looks like chicken pox. It's read it does more scabby than that. That no, maybe. Looking for a serious severe case of Jingles, online I'm kind of. Go ahead, go ahead Gary Looking at the photos of that or don't I I really apologize for taking down. I'M GONNA type in severe shingles. which by the way I saw I believe they opened the live aid. Show that thirty five years ago. That was big for them. Yeah, it was they were lucky to have it. Matt got out of the the clubs onto the. Mine wasn't severe hundred. Maybe, you just bumped into something and it was read for. I don't know if you could see this on the video. These bumps right there. You see those two things. Are you able to see them? I have a little cover up on it, so it doesn't need to make four in China in the sun, but I was putting up some blinds yesterday in this very room that. If you want to read the pull up that email yesterday, if matt metal read the email, I sent about the blinds I bought some black up lines to help us for when. Our show goes past these certain hours, and then the sun starts setting a different spot, and we have to use artificial lighting to assist. is putting those up yesterday, and and by the way the email chain is titled and the subject of it in fact is. Accounting. So. They had disappeared. Accounting stuff so we were emailing about stuff and one of one of which was the money spent on these blackout right right right? Okay but I just thought to me. It was funny that we were like just of is like the most boring business exchange we have ever had in our lives. Sure then you wrote. Here's an update. The blackout blinds can suck my balls. They are awful. But. You can't really just them up and down I'm mad at the world. I was I said that last part because of our theme song. Gorth about how it's really truly no big deal, but by I. So what ended up happening as well as you had to use these? They provided these little. Clamps to to be able to adjust them up and down, but they didn't go wide enough to to hold them, so I had to improvise a news. These other clamps to hold it up and as I was doing that the thing. As I Open A to y. you know to try to press it wide enough. It slipped out of my hand so I went down to try to catch it before it hit the ground, and in doing that smashed my head on my computer monitor. Like right, that's right. And not just I mean. All I kept on thinking was. Thank God it wasn't an inch over. I'd be the ER because. I it was the very edge of and you don't. Commuter aren't other Mak. Right so it's got razor. Razor Thin Ray, like literally not even a half inch wide. Smashed my head on that and not not not a beverly champagne. An actual card hard edge on that. It is a hurt so then. Is. My anger towards these blinds, which by the way have since been put on a pilot stuff that Oliver could use for his various crafts that he does. Because I went to what I ended up doing is so I go to the garage. Maybe they could work better for this and. I. Just need them to stay up while. They were not expensive they were like. Twelve bucks or something and So I, just need them to stay up night. Literally Ninety nine percent of the time they have to stay up so that they don't block the window, and so it's like well may have something in the garage and I. Come Back, and one of them's already fallen down. The. is like falling as if. It's the curtain rod in front of a bar. That hasn't been open seven years. All and I just went. Back and Took it all them? Okay! So let's hope that the sun doesn't affect us today. Because I I. Don't have any black lines. How how blackout were they? Do they really work pretty well, okay? WORKED PRETTY WELL But I I've got some other plans over here on his far as that goes. Get some other ideas to take sounds very ominous sounds like the of thing. Serial killer would say well I think I'm going to spend seven dollars more per per blind and get. actual. Actual blind you. Just GonNa bump up in the next level and. The ones that are on a roller, didn't you? I keep saying at the end the day we get every single aspect of all this remote recording worked out is the day the vaccines come out. That's why we gotta keep doing it because we got. The. Right. We need the vaccine. Yeah, POSITIVE JINX! Positive Jinx. Again also did not get to do live in positive drinks. They just weren't big enough. I mean sure they were revered in the Amsterdam club scene, but you were ready for the big show. No well I don't think they were met and apparently Bill Graham thought the same thing. Yeah, he m think. What would it Lou gram think we'll Lou. Grant I think that's what comes his aneurysm. That's what. He so over thought it that. I did grandma banana derelict at some sort of a brain issued? True was bad enough that you made that tasteless joke. No. You're not saying that that's not taste. That's a good yet a good solid medical joke. That's solid, beezer. Warner. At. Is Lou gram at Fornari as a solo hit with midnight blue, which is a great song. Foreigner you would think it's foreign. I do like that's probably her whole life you thought. He had a brain tumor. You had a brain. Okay, all right my apologies from. He's still alive. They regrouped last year. They had I one last barbarians now one last reunion show. With him involved with him involved. Yeah, as well as the new singer Kelly Hansen. Who is fantastic? Is A, and as a reminder, when I saw a foreigner at the Hollywood bowl, literally zero original members because the the one guy who is still in the band was sick that night so ms zero. I saw a foreigner cover band. The official foreigner cover band to be? The official boy I can't pull that other guy. Why can I pull the Qataris? Name is driving me crazy. Gary to have to look this up. I know that I'm overworking today. Have you look at three things in the? Finish minutes of the program, but. give me the. I think you're looking for either M. J or t G. J It's Mick Jones. Thank you, Jones! He was not there. Apparently. This was happening a lot on that tour that he was always there, but if he was under the weather, I think he too was dealing with cancer. That's possible like if he couldn't go on. then. Yet as a backup and that's how I saw it was. Ford or Nitrile I would think it was night. Ranger Foreigner Journey I think that's who it was at the Hollywood bowl. Journey of course didn't have their original singer. Breath and I. Think Night Ranger had all their original members. At that time I don't know. It. Was Hollywood bowl smaller, the band, the more likely you've got the original guys. They're your stick around right now. They don't Jeff Watson's left. Probably right after that GIG Hollywood. Well, he said I didn't know. This was an option I'm not. He mired by the other bands. Yeah, he may not have been there. Then I don't remember I. Remember. That was at a time where I was dealing with those. I was doing with those weird words on my feet, and I had to have like this weird acid. Put on my. to get rid of them and. On the day that I would put that asset on. It would be such excruciating pain. I couldn't do anything and I like a fucking idiot. Decided all put this on today. What I have to walk a mile from the highland bowl and sit during a concert. That I've been looking forward to. What a Moron couldn't couldn't wait to the next day you die. You dumb, fucking human being you. Eight or just an APE Jesus. Just a lot of self loathing happening. Dumb Monkey, a monkey would have better. Jesus Christ. Speaking of outdoor concert venues in Los Angeles area guess what I learned Have you finished the the latest to hit parade? The lilith fair one. Firm, that's all that's a that's a pro rata. Broke, attic the night off when they were doing a. report. I'm sorry. I I need to recuse myself from this word. Myself from the whole world. Yes I did finish it but W-. Why would that play into? What say you might not have cared about this whatsoever? But I? My mind was slightly balloon to learn that the the Lilith Fair played the starlight bowl in Burbank. Yes, I. What met when they said that I thought I. Think he misspoke it can't be true right? I mean that seems crazy. They and he said in the same sentence that they played the starlight bowl and the Greek I'm like. Why would you play both? The Greek is more. Yeah I. Mean it's it's there. It's maybe a little bigger not so much bigger because the ball is kinda big, but you don't need to play those two places. They're they're you know they're six miles apart? The starlight bullish basically like a size-wise. Maybe I'm wrong. It's like about the same size as a like. It's like an outdoor Wilton is that. Is that safety? Seats, it's five thousand. Okay, and how much is the Greek? Let's let's flashback to the Ramesh episode and see if we remember. 'cause I know he sold about one hundred seventy eight tickets. I still feel just fifty, nine hundred prop fifty, nine, hundred, fifty, nine similar well. Maybe it's possible that they couldn't get two nights at the Greek. And then so they do one here and one there I wondered if it was because promoters still weren't convinced it was gonna work at that point this this was the first full year of it. It was the it was the summer after they had done the little. Little sort of test run. Yeah, a couple of cities and so yeah. I mean I could see people being like the certainly the bull would have probably turned their nose up at it, but Yeah I just it would be annoyed. Me was that I lived in Los Angeles at the time. I could have gone I don't know why I never went to the little. I liked all those artists And that would've been really fun to see that there. Because that's a cool venue to do like that venue, it does it even though which only nine hundred less than the Greek in the Greeks small venue. It feels much smaller than the Greek to me. It feels so. Intimate it does I wonder if the if the fifty fifty five thousand includes the lawn because the lawn is substantial. And I think it does because in poplar. Creek back in the Chicago area since been demolished, but They would say capacities Blah Blah Blah. Yeah, and then it would go in your because you could fit three thousand on the lawn or whatever the hell they would emigrate doesn't have a lawn, right? They just have those people who sneak in. Right because. You know hanging by the arms on a trio zone, so it's a very. It's three thousand chair back seating in two thousand more on the lawn. Capacity. That's why I feel so much smaller than agree because the the seating is like half of the amount of. I've I've only been there for like a cover band. And, so I've never seen it full, not even close. Why is that not a viable venue for? These bands like what have which will turn seat. Is that three thousand? Guarantee I was amazed at as you were when when that came out of his mouth. Yeah, team fifty, eighteen fifty. That's why you know not even close. I just think it's so far up into the hills there in Burbank that it just seems kind of, but it feels Bush league like a like a small town you know and that ties into what you're saying about. Cover bands like I've only seen I think cover bands. Oh, no I saw big big bad voodoo daddy there last summer at the fourth of July thing which is technically a real band I guess. But yeah it. It doesn't feel like a place that has like a list. Bands coming through well. You know I read an interview with the Booker of the starlight in his reasoning of abandoning booking actual shows one year. And everything else is a cover band. Because he said I get the same crowds, no matter what, so, why would I pay? A, known banned twenty five thousand dollars when I could pay these cover bands, five thousand and people are just as entertained, and he's right that five does have that small town vibe to it like. Eight and just relax business live music. which we can't do anymore because we're in the middle of a God Damn Pandemic What's that? Well pandemic was the another ran. That did not allowed on the day. They were too heavy. That's what they said do it to. Your got you got black Sabbath well, the other grandfathered in their legends well listen I get it. Disclosure. I I managed pandemic for a couple of years eighties. How did you deal with all the pandemic fans because those people were I mean they? Were costumes and their dress up was pretty dark. They were very rabbit. They were a rabid fan base. They were I mean. Here's the thing about pandemic. They were infectious band. It like once you heard one song man. You were all in on pandemic you really it was hard, and it spread to. It's more. It's spread fast once you wench. They were pandemic boy that thinks they spread fast I think the real problem with that band the reason why they did they weren't more successful is because they they had that thing in their writer where they could only play venues that were a twenty five percent capacity will head to smother venue. That's right open air. Certainly yeah and. But Matt I appreciate anti-business. For three years. Just say it was, it was the right thing to do safety wise and healthwise, but it definitely. Limited their earning ability. Blowing up their spotlight. Writers are private and how you got to see that writers is beyond me. Yeah, and even with that Matt every time pandemic played they killed. Wasn't bad. Certain direction really. I was I was on the same train. Of course you work very unfair to same join. Train everything everything you were sitting in the seat next to me, look. Around your back a piggyback ride? That's how close you were to that premise. Is just. My instinct is to go quiet and uh very unfair very unfair. Thumbs up We Watch I watch documentary over the over? The weekend could take I watched the speaking of music. And watch the. Is playing. Here it no! There it is. Sorry! It has to be quiet because when it goes, it goes through all the processing afterwards, and it gets very loud so I. Sorry, they can't hear above just a little bit more than that, so I don't think you're just staring at off rose. By the fuck, not even responded by staring at me. Also some of them have different volumes like That's not what about this one? This is an old. If, it's not. A bio PIC. But a great song. That's the Great Mike Henry I watched the Michael Barr documentary. J Elvis. Weinstein actually Put together produced. and it is a It's a very. It was a very entertaining documentary about Michael Barr. Life in boy had an interesting life even as a kid and then. basically. He was a Jack of all trades actor musician, and never really had success any of them like worked non stop, but never had that one big breakout thing to make him a household name. and then he was lead right. He. I believe well. Here's here's what's interesting on the documentary. He said that he got a call to come to. New York to audition to be a band, but he can't. He the guy on the phone so that I can't say what it is. The Nita lead singer in the. They need a quick because they have. They have a tour. So Robert Palmer apparently agreed to do the tour with power with. If I may. I will be them with the power station. They all said it, one person left out anytime. They talked about the power. That's as bad as eagles whenever. I know that it's there is no the eagles I know. You're the ASSHOLE. So he got the call to go and have this meeting slash audition, and then in the documentary, he says. And our very first GIG I get the GIG. In our very first GIG is live aid. And then they showed the the footage from that and stuff and you know he was fine. And then. I've seen written interviews in the last couple of days I including him on his own facebook page. And I want to say it was only our second Gig so like. Little Little Liberties for the movie Mike so. But the point is you saw either their first or second it the him with that, but that had to be I'm wondering. If you're. The girls were so into that banned the the young girls because you know the John and Andy Taylor, Drain Fan. Did they give a shit like when you? When they bought the power station tickets to go, see them at the Greek. Let's say they played their or whatever and it was Michael. The comes out. Do you do? At that time. Did kids even know? Did they go? That's the the guy from the videos that guy I hear just like. Oh. There's the power station great I'm enjoying them. Yeah, I bet they didn't care. Because Robert Palmer was known, but it. It's not that exciting to see Robert Palmer. You know what I'm GonNa Talk Question. To this day, people walk out of Chicago Shogo and didn't Sotero sound great tablet and he's been gone for thirty five years. Yeah, so that's yeah. He was waiting more of a centerpiece in the eighties of that band than at the also power season was the power station was just kind of. Amalgam supergroup that they hadn't. They didn't have this huge long history of being together, so it was like. Yeah, I mean if Michael Debar just been the original lead singer, those same people would have still gone and seen the show. They still would have bought the record because of the hits. In the music video, the the the the big. The Big Song was Some like it. Hot Right that was. Sweat wouldn't the heat is on I. Think most people do unless you have some kind of glandular issue. Arose. But I. Don't remember how because there was. There's a lot of graphics, but was was palm really highly featured and. I believe he was. It's almost like. That imagery over him like it and if I remember the video correctly, there's no real crisp shot of him. So, he's going. To do with it. He was so the so wishy washy about his commitment to the band and wouldn't. He wouldn't do the tour. He barely appeared in the video. I will say though now that I think about it. This is just me and I don't know I think they're ready. They're maybe the average fan of that. Ben Might not feel the same way, but when I heard that song. I was like that's a rubber Palmer Song like his voice is distinctive. Enough that when you you're like that's Robert Palmer and so but when you see something live. Usually the you know especially the back. Then I think vocals get lost in the mix, sometimes or people sound different live than they do on a record, and so it's like it might be my Dhabi him, but who really cares you went to if you didn't know any better, you. Have the power station night. You'd go and you enjoyed myself like you wouldn't. You wouldn't think to go. That's not the guy, certainly, not then they'd rather. It's also the power station. Who gives a shit like? I'm hearing the song who gives a shit about power season. Who gives a shit about Rubber Palmer? I think if you use the in the power station you might care. That's a good point. I think most people that were there were there to put their hand on. Their pants is looking at the Taylor's. That's men and women. Were there go? There's John Taylor. Where's my cock? It must be stroked. Had how women would do the same because boy to this day he's in the documentary. He talks so elegantly John Taylor. He looks beautiful. Good Lord, it was all I. Do not to Jack Off. The documentary, but We don't have a theme song for that. S. What would? Give it a week. You'll have one. Jimmy, jerks awful lot. Yeah, it's amazing. We don't have that. It was a nice doc Mary met. Is Our guests here? NOPE, no all right I didn't made kind of threw the brakes on their assume that I was. Wasting our guests time in the waiting room. Meeting in the Ladies Room when you can go back Matt I'm here. Real. Yeah. I for some reason I thought you thought I was frozen because I had no reaction to what he's at Nope. Just ask you to jump in with the climax. I climax by the way in three of the members were replacements in I got I, insisted I refund. I was like I can't tolerate A. Climax that's not two hundred percent accurate, but he's still your hand on your pants and Wacko 'cause i. mean if you can't do that at a climax show than we're all. Their songs are asking me to that. Their band name is asking you to I know it. It's like let's go. Let's all action. Yes, let's to quote Hamilton to paraphrase. Let's get down to our socks and let's do this and right. That's what young Philip at one point to a couple of ladies. Yeah, no I. I have. You heard the thing about. I knew this back when but when it was only on stage. It's so hard to take in everything. We said this a million times like when you're watching. Hamilton you can't take it all in at once, but there's a whole thing about how the woman the unsolvable. performer who ends up being the caller the bullet, because she sort of guides right out of the bullet If you if you watch that actress or whatever performer the whole time. There's like all these cool things that sort of tie in like, for example, when during Yorktown. When I think it's Wind Hamilton, says Lawrence is in. South Carolina redefining bravery anyway. Lauren's end that character like team up to kill a British soldier, and it's kind of gruesome. It's like it's it's it's pretty. It's a violin choreographed move and then they shake hands, and it's like Oh. Okay, so she shakes his hand, and then he's the next character to die in the story. And from that point on, she's basically like the grim reaper, and so how it's so like every time she pops up. Something's going on and she's the one that says I S. I'm just down up Broadway a couple of blocks right before he says. Let's all strip down to our sox. She's the one that says that to him to to to fill up and so it basically right before he gets into this altercation that leads to the dual. That ends his life. She's like flirting with him, so he's literally flirting with death in that moment. Wow, and and then there's also before that. There's a scene where Hamilton's writing. Writing a letter. I think it's an stay alive. Maybe where like she tracks bullet and he leans down to write something and it like whizzes by his head, so and then of course at the end she's the one in the final duel where like she stops because like the whole thing stops for him to deliver that Soliloquy but yeah, it's so cool like so now that it's on Disney plus you can watch it all the way through just watching that one. Character and I believe I don't know if I could be wrong about this I. Think Emmy. Her name is Ami Rossum or the the actress who plays that character to both those are. What is it Ariana? Dubose. Whose Emmy Rossum, there's an actress. Yes, an extra all right so anyway. Check that out at school. And now our guest is here. That is the only I've never really followed the the Hamilton songs or anything like that I've only ever just watched that woman. that. You're just a big fan of that and. By the way that's fascinating whoever I I assume Lynn. Talked about that at some. It was he was out there in the yeah, like when the when the three or four years ago, and we were all obsessed with it. That was one of those things that was out there, but again it just feels like. If! You're going to pay the price to get the ticket to go. Sit in the theater and that's all you're focusing on. That's a mistake because it is so much happening, I think I knew about one of the Times I was watching. It was like I. Don't want to I want to watch the thing I don't Wanna I don't WanNa WanNa distracted by that even though it's a very cool thing that they did. It just doesn't seem like worth busy. That's my complaint with Hamilton. Down, Son Hamilton unplugged. You know just like two people age. Thank you finally one guitar one vocal. That's all we need that dance bullshit bag. Maybe maybe Michael the bark and fill in some. Oh, he's very good. Drop Vat, do you? Need to live aid, and as I possibly second Gig so he knows how to handle a crowd. all right. We got baron. Vaughn is going to be joining us. He's got a great new show on sci fi called the great debate We'll talk to him about that. He'll give us the low down on that low down. That's a song, Chicago Three Baron Vaughn right after this. Hey Matt. Did you know that refinancing your credit card? Balances can lower your interest rate and save you money, I do know that. Financial expert to do it. I was just GonNa say I know that because I know lights dream. Oh, that's exactly what I'm talking about late stream. Getting fixed rate credit card consolidation load from light stream, and you could save thousands in interest. Rates started five point nine five percents. APR With Auto. Pay An excellent credit. Matt I welcome you to comment on anything about to say. You can get a loan from five to one hundred thousand dollars. That was thousand I. Don't these are waiting for just five bucks. Be Crazy You could probably just go out you know. Go dig through your couch. 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Take the program backs. What an awful I talk through the living and I managed mangle that entire fucking sentence. Welcome back to have comedy coming Jesus. That was awful. I can only apologize to baron. Vaughn are Jesse's sci-fi. This guy's on a classic network. He's on superstore. This guy's on network television. The tell you tolerate this. Do you think bed feldman does this fucking stuff? into professional, using Lauren ash is going to mangle her fucking words. This is an apparent to me. You think America. Ferrara would guess. Yes, she's leaving, so she's leaving the show because of this Matt. That's why. Mangled those sentences Skram Lady. Yes exactly that's exactly what's going to happen to America. she's. The be here. I'm so happy to be here. Nice to see a baron. Vaughn is joining us as a he's got the show on sci fi called the great debate which satellite. Had An opportunity to watch yet, but I've been told that my son Oliver. WHO's a baronies a twelve year old? would be very much into so before we get any further Barron before I. Check in with these guys and go around the Horn and see how British week is going I. Tell me what the great debate is. I'll make a decision if it's right for my son or not. That's exactly what it's about Jimmy. It's about nonsense decisions. Made by Group Idiots. It's so basically the one thing that nerds love to do is disagree with each other Oh my good. They can't get enough of. It is really what they love more than Saifi. And so this is a show in which we get to bring a bunch of funny nerds together to have these debates about all these characters and movies and. Out We love so much by like, we tried to keep it positive, so it's just it's a good place to do it, and and it's about having fun. You know to your point. My son is in this. Pandemic is having weekly Zoom Game Day with his friends they get together, and they do the zoom, and they play the Games, and so on and so forth and quip lash at other stuff and yesterday. I was in the other room and I heard. One side of the most heated conversation. What in God's, so he's finally ends, and he comes out and he was upset. I go. What are you worry? I. What were you talking about? He goes android versus apple products. Apparently one of the one of the friends was very was. Ship Talking Apple and a lot of apple products in this house and it was. To twelve year olds timeout. WHO GIVES A shit in? The fuck world's burning. I know, but isn't that easier to have a conversation about. The world burning. Yes, we! We all need some escaped agreed. I'm not kidding I've never heard him so passionate. About anything and I think he was really getting mad about it like if we. Have major stock investment. Kind of. Twelve years his twelve. Yeah, now I like Yoda twelve years old. You have kids right baron. I do have to look at once. Yeah, how how old are they? The youngest one is a little over one, and the oldest one is going to be three in October. God I speak. I'll speak for Matt as much as my son the greatest and I'm very, I'm the luckiest father in the world, but boy do I miss those years I missed that those age of being able to pick them up feels like lifting a fork. The just! That's. Are you love at Baron? I do, but to what you just said. The biggest reasons I realized. How out of shape I am because they get. Times as big in a very short amount of time. Yes, I don't psychologically understand that. You're not five pounds anymore and then I. Hurt my back. I pulled a muscle in my chest I. I pulled a rib out of place and got something called cost dry. This Jimmy Behold Jesus is the swelling of the ligaments betwixt Dine Ribs. Which is basically them saying dad bought decide. I realize, but wouldn't you rather? Or, however it was pronounced I couldn't say welcome to the show. Wouldn't you rather it be cut like pleurisy for a while like thirty years ago and that's when the the liquid around your lungs dried up, and that's the very base way of describing that it's horrible painful. But I would rather that than than the dad body me as such A. I'd rather use the. Medical terms than than what somebody on Tiktok is GONNA say. About my chest and lungs. True, very true. I'm I'm with you on that definitely. I just wanted to say I remember being twelve and getting into A. Horrible fistfight with a friend of because he did that super. Nintendo is better than Sega. Genesis I age myself, but this is the bullshit twelve year. Olds are concerned with right. I'm so glad you are on the right side of that though because. Genesis does what Nintendo don't. Oh well said we'll set thank you. So you're on the Sega side in that argument I add. NINTENDO'S FOR BABIES and forty six year old men like me, but it's not in between. because I love Nintendo. But when I was twelve or whatever age I was when Jensen's came out very effectively, Sega marketed as this is like grown-up like big kid video games where it's Nintendo's for little kids. Little Dumb, babies. Boy. Genesis, advertising plan was because all. Their games were kind of violent to like golden axe was everything was like people getting chopped in half with things. It was awesome like for if you're the right age, that's like the coolest thing in the world i. I'm sorry. Go ahead! Now we're worth it. Okay I'm just happy that your son is concerned about something. That's a little safer than what I was concerned about it. Twelve I didn't get into a fistfight with some money, but there wasn't a pandemic. Well he's also about the pandemic. Probably, he's about than anybody else in this house. Quite frankly he's. He has been. He's been literally to one place other other than other than dental other than days Ed dentist twice a regular dentist orthodontist He's been to in fact I. figured this out just yesterday. We were talking to some friends. He had to go to seven eleven with me for just one for a project for I'd online camp. We had to go get a ketchup packet, and so he was wondering the seven eleven four one second, and that's the only place he's been because he. Is. Smarter than his old man. That's amazing so ketchup packets. As far as I know, are also maybe some of those hygienic things that I've ever encountered I've never. Had A ketchup packet. That wasn't sticky. Is What writing? Always covered I hope catch up. Well. You know in this day and age. You know the seven eleven. You have to ask for everything because you can't just grab stuff anymore, so I had to wait in line to as for can I get a ketchup packet? One A hotdog to we don't. Nope, we just want one. Catch it back at, and he gave three he was. He charging. He didn't I also bought a couple of sodas because I felt guilty. Waiting in line and mocking everything up and. Anyway he got his ketchup packets. People. That's what you're about I've always about the people. I will tell you this. The the science experiment that he was doing did not work whatever it was the premise behind the ketchup packet. Experiment. Didn't work that in a water bottle or something, you're supposed to press it and the. Catcher that I think it's supposed to sink and into the water. Yeah, I don't understand what it was supposed to happen, but whatever it was I I remember hearing. From the other room. Did Not hear that. I'm interested in. When, what how will Oliver's GonNa? Be when he starts swearing because he still is like Dad, can I say it? The S. word, and then the stupid like he's still like. I don't know when he's because his friends say it. All his dad doesn't have a filter at all anymore. There was a time I had a filter. Now it's just. You know he hears it man I. Think really it's when he wants to know when he can say it around you. Barron. I appreciate your take on this, but I could guarantee he's not. He is wow. That's not his bag man. What a good kid! He's a good kid. That's my daughter's like that to my daughter is eleven and she Is like a show. scold me for for swearing. And so I. I'm wondering too if she'll ever switch over. She watches stuff was whereas in it, but she does not partake, so does. Hang speaking albers at you. Quickly now on further, need you. Make him swear. Here, Put this in your ears, so you could say alone to learn. That's Baron Vaughn. Nice to meet you. Meet you? I heard you like Amnesty Three K.. I'm a big Fan. This weekend. My my mom and I are doing a huge. T. Marathon, so Yonex. which which episodes are you watching? We haven't decided yet we're going to do the research Berry, I care for the new seasons Oh. I love the new season. We soon as they came out, we watched all those. And they were great like in a day, so yeah. Well thank you very much all over. we went to the theater to see the to see it live i. were you there or was it just your voice? I'm here in La Yeah here in La. We I didn't get to do the live shows. Unfortunately, I did get to see. I did get to see it in San. Francisco but I didn't get to see gay I didn't get to do live shows, which was kind of a bummer by. I saw it and I loved it. I thought it was fantastic. We enjoyed it right. and then of course barren also. The security guard on Superstore I was I was on super store? Yes, indeed, Tom cervo I I don't know if you've ever seen a little show, called grace, and Frankie or grank he as like the calling for the the grace of Francophiles. That's what I call our our family. You think my son's watching that Berry. Seems like quite a mature gentlemen. I wouldn't doubt if he's like what old people are not relevant. He's happening so journals host a brand. New Show called the great debate on sci-fi. That sounds like it'd be right up your alley. We'll definitely check it out all right Graham. By it sounds nice to meet you roll my goodness. GET OUTTA here dammit. Danny fucking working. Oh! I can only hope I can only hope by. Children are sweet as your child moves. I get glimpses of their teenage years. I think I think the two year old toddler tantrums stuff is there's a lot of no, and then him slamming north. I'm buying. This is what is going to be like. He's like fifteen, isn't it? And it could be worse I. Fifteen is a boy. Br around the corner from it. We're right around the corner, and that's going to be as sweet as he is, and he is a sweet kid. It's it's got to flip at some point. He can't be like this fifteen get. The Shit kicked out of him every day at school. He's got to get a little. It's a very different day Jimmy okay. Very Day all right I encourage you to watch. A documentary called twenty one jump street. Probably, They very firmly show that the generations what we think it was like to be a very different than what their priorities are today. You want that documentary. I believe it was Ken, Burns, his twenty one jump street. Okay, mom, you might get some. Going to deal with in a couple of years Matt please play the documentary theme since I documentaries come up. Which one to go with this one. Oh sorry. I felt like I should play when we hadn't played yet. We played the I agree. Why would we hear the same? What we just heard Elliott? Big Because of the lyrics and how they apply to what Barron was this this one. Let's not. Talk. Talk. I think I should explain that at one point I made the claim. What was the? What was the movie that I made the claim about how? I don't Rem I. It was it was one about about the financial coast. Short the big short short I made I made the argument that that it had it had documentary elements to it and I was made fun of because it is not technically a documentary. You call the documentary. You didn't say documented elements. Thank you. I love how you downplay that. I was hoping with with the benefit of time that I could I Austria. Massage we wouldn't jumped on you for that it does it sort of has documentary elements, but but it's not a documentary. Hey, Guy, so I'm going to Oliver because he is in. That camp did not have time to put together a trivia question for us today so luckily. and we haven't had a chance to use. A listener named John Cater Cat Er, put together never not trivia dot com so head over to you guys now the listener can go over there and see a great little trivia website that he put together. We never this pandemic hit right. He sent that to us so we oliver has been kind enough to write the trivia question. We haven't had a chance to use this thing. So now we're GONNA. Use It for the first time. Ahead head over you go to my my history. In my browser, I use chrome and. Not Secure Jimmy not secure also. Oliver is going to be pissed you because that's a google product just like android. I'm told to US ED edges a new browser already telling me to use and. The pitch Microsoft is telling you to use it I. See installing gate on your computer without you knowing i. don't even think they make it for Mac. No, they do download for it. Yeah Jesus. What your Browser you know what? I'm a power user, so I use all three of the big three safari chrome and and fire Fox for different things, I. I've found around. The Holy Ghost that's. Of course baron. Of course we go to church. Don't think we don't. Here's your your category guys is. A pop culture pop culture boy, so you're betting and work who zero and twenty five and it's a write down how much you're going to bet on pop culture. That's very very wide. This is tough because we have never done a question from this site. We don't know how easy or hard it's going to be very oliver. We know that Oliver's are usually pretty challenging, so the the betting sort of plays into then and do we know where where the where are the the maker of this? Where they got their questions, I'd believe that was on the corner of none of your fucking business back, and so it was right in that area there. You saw that coming and the truck. was delivering is right in the middle of the street on that one Jim. Speaking of which we watched mean girls last night I say that because they got that busting. Yeah, mean girls mad of you! Watch that recently I. Have Yeah, one of my daughter's favorite movies speaking of things that she watches in it. that. I was full of angst I had not seen. This incident came out and I I. Admit that I attend, and not really enjoying the first maybe hour, and then I liked it. I know that, but I love it, I love mean girls, and I love the girls musical, which is. which was supposed to be in La this thing and then they cancel the tour. I'm wondering. As I was watching mean girls last night I was wondering because of the success of Hamilton and the fact that we cannot houses will mean girls be the next one that they possibly will show. Baron says no Barron's got some other ideas. Oh, we'll be back when they possibly shall I thought you meant next. Hit is biggest Hamilton. Own, mean girls! No, it's paramount but the idea of a streaming musical. Of the next thing they'll try to yeah I. mean honestly that would maybe be a good one I. Don't know what the rights are like, but that would have been a good thing to put on peacocks a teeth. Tina fey joint. Oh, yeah, that's a good point, and maybe they will. Maybe that'll be As we get fishing lashed into the spring of next year. You know maybe Christmas. Somebody will put out another. The tent pole sort of thing to do I would love to be able to watch the the musical of it. over and over again because it's I. Love the the the score. The book whatever you call the music part of a musical, not super. Don't work like that anymore. I'm sorry. As, a musical fan of musicals fan of movies, the movie musical is a very hard thing to pull off, and and then filming a play, and in putting it on TV is another very hard I agree it's hard to get the feeling of. Space, so, what do you never know? How what do you like what you like on that? What what do you think works because I have strong opinions to? In which in which sense like wh, what can you think of a movie musical that you think actually kind of got it right? CHICAGO. Yeah I'll agree with that. And it's because it's because we as movie. Consumers today are obsessed with Verissimo. We obsessed with painstakingly accurate recreations of this era and. She's wearing a bustle. Guy Actually a slave down. Into recreating the era that S-. It's hard for anyone to believe people just suddenly singing and dancing, because it's not realistic and we're. We've made movies so realistic that it's hard to pull that off. Chicago Bulls making it a fantasy of this woman. Who's going through real thing so it kind of. You know it's it's almost like she schizophrenic. That makes it makes sense. It makes sense for that character tune. That's a great point. Yeah, I I always think it's a mistake. I I didn't like that. Les Miz movie because it looked, too. Gritty and it's like it's a musical stopped trying to make it look like it would really have looked. To me I one hundred percent disagree with you in that. I thought it captured exactly the way. It's supposed to capture it I feel like because because it's a musical and people, singing in the middle of a story takes you out of the reality than the look of it should also be somewhat heightened and not so real. I you seen Jimmy. Already know the answer to this question. Have you by chance any scene of scene the? Leibniz! DREAMCAST! Staged reading, recording or the twenty fifth anniversary lady ms a staged reading recording i. Yes yes, Weirdo, close camera guy. I in fact, oh backs. PBS was just playing the twenty fifth anniversary just yesterday. Was it Saturday whereas so I watched a little bit of that and got drawn what I thought was going to be. Hey I'll watch this one song an hour and ten minutes later I was like. Hey, you were on your way out. So yes watched that with the young Jonas Brother and Yeah, Jonas brother. They redid. I'm. There's one from like the eighties nineties. It's like the first one they did. But those versions of it are pretty interesting because les MIS. Almost opera like you actually don't write all this stuff. Someone standing in delivering. If you're into, it is kind of effective. This like it's really hard to be to be like that's you Jack Been. It's just really hard for me to build. Hugh Jackman singing. It's really hard for me to not let the movie and thought it was hugh. Jackman with Nice mutton chops. The I was all unlimited in the minority, but I loved it and. One of the most successful musicals of in history. Which is about it? Everybody winds about it. Everybody's gotTa Complain. All secretly love it. At least one day right met not the movie. No, she loves the show then and I think like what you're saying. A lot of the people a lot of people who. Love the show a lot. Couldn't get into the movie but I think that's always going to happen. It's like it's like the same issue is when you love a book, and then you see the movie if it doesn't match up with what your brain did with it especially like. A lot of people experienced Les Miz. The way a lot of people experience Hamilton up until this point, which is only listening to the cast recording, so they painted a whole picture in their mind of what it was I know. That's what my wife did is like she just listened to nonstop as a kid, the lame is cast recording, and then so any version that she's looking at is going to be a bit of a weird like Oh. Wait I have to adjust from what my brain had the picture. My brain painted the baron to your point, not that I just ignored everything you just said. But I get. There what do you? What is your favorite musical? Then is a guy who loves the musical. I mean I have a lot of different ones, but I think if if I had to name one, it's probably Sweeney Todd by. Sondheim boy that is so many people's favourite. That's my managers favorite musical of all time. Do we have a guest on his well? That was their favorite, yeah player. That you got upset Elliott. No, no, no, I was very. I was upset. There's something else. There's a building management thing that's happening in the corner of my eye that I. Can See you when you have those weird I understand that and Unfortunately. No, but I was very happy about hearing about Sweeney Todd and I was actually going to ask What did you think of the What was it? The PBS great performances, or whatever with Angela Lansbury that they have in the eighties? That was the Los Angeles Cast Swing Todd Angela Lansbury her Broadway role as Mrs Lovett and it also had George hearn in the role. Sweetie, Todd, who was the second Sweeney to Lynn Karoo i. y you know the thing is Elliott? Go ahead. I'm listening. Can I just interrupt and say this that it? Just the last four minutes of the show alone it's insane. That baron Vaughn is not show. Till today. I mean it's fucking ridiculous that you haven't been on our show. Broadway. Theatre school. fucking credentials point. With our bullshit! That's what I've gotta get. Where were you? When were you on scorebig? Of course we care about that. I was right I. was right out of college. Right of fantasy. I was cast in the show called drowning crow it was. A adaptation of Chekhov's the Siegel. that was done at the Manhattan theatre. Club just opened their own. Broadway, space built more that ear. a win to Boston University for for theater in that I ended up going to the Williamstown theatre festival, which is in Western mass. Crate Theater Festival. Will Theater exists ever again. Of course it will same standup. I actually end Almost of happy pandemic is. Putting comedy clubs out of business because the thing about comedy clubs is stand ups. Don't need comedy clubs. Comedy clubs needs standups. We'll. I've been saying that for years in the fact that we are the. By the way, not all comedy comes there are there are a dozen this country that do it right and treat the comedians right, but there are a lot of other ones. Out of hundreds out of hundreds, and and the rest of them treat like you're in the way of somebody getting their stake. Fuck off the whole reason that this comedy clubs open today is because of the three guys about to perform or any of the three people, the three men or women that are about to perform. Don't act like we're the incidental to your business and so I think this year right? This may be a wakeup. Call her that Baron. This is the industry I, think in a good way that the people that you're talking about the dozen comedy clubs. You're talking about treat people well. COMEDIANS will support them in putting their stuff back together because we want to work with them, and we want to play their space and then. The people and us that are going to lead the way in reconstructing how the company club industry happens. I feel like there was a lot of bad managers and owners. That I'm happy are GONNA. Be Out of business in cities that I love to go to, but I don't like that place, and then suddenly that's a city where the comedians in that city will get to kind of. Have a say in how things can come back together. That's what I'm trying to say real and I agree with you, and by the time that all happens I would have retired so. You're never. I I think I might be already I think I'm just. Pretending to be in this business. The existential Jimmy. Secretly existential Jimmy Awka. Glad I could bring them out for Ya Baron. Going back to the musical. What hang on? I had a question, and then you went off on the hatred of the Comedy Club format. What the heck was going to ask. was. A. Favorite. It doesn't even make my top six it was. Top six okay! Yeah, so that's a very specific. Where landing spot for it. I want to know what I did this this is. Not Important but youtube over the weekend head that. They they streamed that de Peters concert from several years ago to raise money for Broadway cares to help out out of work, actors, and and people working in the. On Broadway needs at the moment, and so I watched the the Bernadette Peters special, and of course she sang several songs from Ms. Sondheim was in the audience, and it was great. It was great. Really Cool. Great. Boy as she could and Sunday in the park is that's also like a brilliant piece of work. agreed, and as I've said many times. Barron and my wife is well aware of this is actually posted about on facebook I would leave my wife for Bernadette Peters. Even today seventy two year old Bernie, Peters has a Seventy two years old burn it peters. What's Yeah One? Thousand, nine, hundred, forty eight. Does that make seventy two yeah? I'm since the jerk. Well, not not last night. Allow them laughing. It's lobby. Here's the. Jungle Jimmy or You know what I didn't. I gotta think about that Kid. I'm not a big fan of. Schwartzman is that WHO that is? Chasing the sportsman yeah yeah. Not really in it, so you don't have to worry about. A boy just thought he was the star of that thing. No, that's it's. Bernal Dude is true talent. Have incredible so you're you love this Mozart in the jungle I thought it was pretty good. It's actually theater people in New York to this Guy Alex. timbers was big executive on it. He was A. Show called bloody. Bloody Andrew Jackson. He created also Peter Star capture, I think was a big show that he did to couple of Broadway plays. He had a big part of a lot of the writers like New York. Playwrights is a lot of new. York theater actors that people I know that I keep seeing that. Show that I'm like Oh my God. You know you might, you might enjoy it. I think it's really well done I HAVE CERTAIN PROBLEMS WITH IT I'm a different person than new, so you are. Checked? Project I like that show, Glee oil boy did I get that. One hundred percent king, one hundred percent kidding. Liam. Michelle seems like a delight. What. Everybody says she's great to work with. It no question about it. I've spoken many times about my encounter with our CONAN and thumbs-down. Matt what was the name of the show that we always forget the title of where the Guy Being in the sound booth is it was at rise or what the hell was. That shows that rise now something like that the Raisa Z.. Now or Karen help us out. It was it was it was actually produced by Jeffery. Sellars who produced Hamilton, it was a it was an NBC one hour drama about a high school producing spring awakening. Yeah yes. Yes, yes, okay, and I like! This was at the hypo Barron just so just a quick thumbnail sketch I've always. I mostly hated musicals most of my whole life, but like the true sucker I am. I got totally swept up by Hamilton, and then I got all into other musicals, because of Hamilton and so So then I so then. I was like I got to watch this show. It's about a high school. production of a musical is going to be great and he was not going to. On watchful. Free awakenings. I'm not a fan of that play was the weirdest choice for that show to League of all the things I know is based on a book, or whatever, but the play Woah. The TV, show was based on a book. He shows basement about yeah yeah. On book about people doing a musical. Yeah. It's very very deep Yeah, but it just it's so it was like. How did they think that a a network? Like television audience was going to get into this very obscure thing. You know what was almost a good show was smash loved it? I absolutely loved it. In fact, I just watched the I watched reunion, were they? They just got together and put the. Or are they just aired the one night only of the bombshell musical that was done in smash. I dropped off after the first season I felt like it fell apart i. know it gets got. Out that? It was great. It was It would look it was. It was a hate watch for the first season. But then I very much got into it and my own the soundtracks the. Soundtrack because it was a film and Television, wasn't a original cast recording but so you said hate, watch and I just a badge into a wristwatch. That's swats. So I also have that. Like Oh, it's two o'clock by the Hitler's. Anti Semitism. What are we doing? Are we playing a game? If you'll stop fucking talking about your resume. Talk to you guys come on I just really quick because I don't. I can't believe we've never talked about Barron, but I grew up in western Massachusetts so I went to. I went to the Williamstown theatre festival every summer, to see like checkoff and stuff that I didn't understand and threepenny opera with Jesse L Martin Wrench. No, no I didn't I might have been after my time. Molo all right little organ. But I I did see I saw rob. Lowe in What's it called three women that was called three sisters. Three sisters yeah. Rob Lowe and three sisters. You haven't lived until you've seen that happen. Within three sisters. Headphones off. About that joke, people forgot about that whole thing. They seem to forget a lot about. They really did so pretty. We give them a free pass on everything apparently way. I watched SNL at the time. Hey real fed I hit the do this, but I'm not sure if our still on his break, but I want Oliver to his favorite Jesse L. Martin Line from Rent Oh hurricane. Love to hear that all right. Oliver other. Other major Oh. You were okay. Cool and Like twenty one dollars I want you to do. I was right out of college. Favorites line in the bank back back back in the background. I. WanNa. Hear Oliver's. Oliver's Jonathan, Larson and I apologize for like. Hey, here's my kid to put on a little skit worry. About Him. Turning him into a comic little by little. That'll be in family therapy that that apology comes. Here comes yeah. Oh. Is. That I loved Jesse l Martin in that role. I love him in the movie. I love the play I love him, but that line just is so cream it's it's everything about the delivery. The lines direction it all doesn't work for us. The way he just made him into framed. Perfect. It was, it was very short shows. I'm the NOOSA cheeser. Writing I thought I heard meeting. I'm very strong. Caesar Matt Cesar. Romero. Over here, yeah! I love it. I like the I like the before and after wheel of fortune style. Cesar Romero. All Right Hey. Here's your question. Here's your question. That's my question and we're writing down the answer I. Don't know everybody. Write down their answer. You don't reveal it until I, asked you. Here is your question. I press question. Here comes. Nope, I'm not going to allow this question. I can't just read it. Read, it for. This is not the question. Question. Who won the first American idol? Come on. And everybody knows that all right. You know what I may have to here. We go next question ready. Wait what happened? How do I answer all right refresh, but you just? Oh. Wait what the fuck is going on. Why is it just one question? Just randomized guy made a whole website for one trivia question. Answer for this question, because everyone wager, something different I think we might all the answer, so is I actually I actually don't so. You, don't. Wins don't let's display. Let's thank all right. But, there's no fun there. There's no conversation to be had. Can you. Can you. Can you make generate another one or are you? Here's the problem. Apparently I can't make a generate another one in that category. Now I saw fantasia. Do the color purple on Broadway and leash? It was incredible like it. I was the original broadcast of the color purple. I was the reader. And I mean that I saw hundreds of people audition for the Broadway cast of Woo. Color Purple. The guy when they came into the audition cinema chair with the script ruined. It was one of the best things that has ever happened. It's because I'm a comic. And I'd like a theater trained guy so this director loved me. Because every every seems like six six different characters would do different voices. Speak Dubai SNL edition every single day and it kept them away. They're like that guy. He likes funding. He keeps US awake but I. got to see like man I got to see this woman come in from the Sal. Who just some woman who sang at a church who went to like a regional audition, 'cause color purple started at the in Atlanta. She came up to New York I got to see. This woman who has never done professional theater. Sitting in the lobby after her audition. A casting director come over to her and build like. They want to cast you in the show in her just fall to hurt me's and Saab. And I was like. Business I just I just watched a woman's life change. Some random woman from Georgia, not even from the city of Atlanta. WHO's about to be on? Broadway and I was like this is. Getting chills. US, remembering like Herbie let. These. Later seeing her addition, I was like. Oh, my Gosh, she she's done. She got tits done, she got. Really she didn't. She didn't really do all that, but it's a good joke. I burn go all right. I'm going to go back to Trivia. Set your glasses off. That's how I know. It's a good story. Well that's what trump. Conversation were able to bring it up because of the American idol that didn't come up. We don't hear fantasia about we don't hear that story. Oh, you're right. I hear a topic is. I don't understand this website apparently. There's just one per category one question well I, if I went to the site and I try to question I got the same question I have not looked at the answer. I can confirm that there's just it's not just you on your computer. Somehow okay well, they'll just use a new category. We can just bet all right well. Let's, go, to movies cody. Movie and to everybody's point, no matter what this question is if it's what's the movie about the shark will. Deep Blue Sea obviously. Go with movies. Here's your question. Everybody have your new Beden. Yes, yes, all right, and again I I. Hope I said that Guy's name right? Jeff Cater because I am going to give him a talking to. You don't have to cater your. His name, if I may my twelve year, old son writes better questions in this. This is. This is a beautiful website. I liked the format I. Like the way that it all moves and. You take. Are you insulted by how easy the questions or is that? What's happening I was insulted by that American idol question. Yes, I was sir, what's The new one? By? The Way Elliott the answer was Kelly Clarkson Answer. I got it right. That was my guess is of course you would got right because it's the easiest goddamn question in the history of Trivia, so just just so that the the author of that knows even this guy who does not watch American idol doesn't care about American. Idol did not think he knew the answer would have gotten it right right? This is and I. Hope I hope it's not pronounced. Cater I. Sing it wrong. I want this guy to have nightmares. Here we go. Here's your question. Char. There's a nice question. Charlie Chaplin. All I can do by the way maybe this question the world. It's not to me, so I will now apologized to Jeff I. Hope I'm saying your name right This guy gets it. This is A. Ask. Websites. Charlie, Chaplin insured which part of his body. Charlie Chaplin insured which part of his body. ooh, that's all right. right down. Don't say it until I. Come to you. Charlie Chaplin insured which part of his body. Interesting question it is. That is A. I've got a I've got an answer, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong. I've got an answer to. But when I, you say Charlie Chaplin. I'm really thinking of Robert. Downey Junior. Man Oh man. I broke down my answer. I wrote it down and I'm sticking with. All right before we go around the Horn, though let's take another break. Baron Vaughn is here. We're throw that he's air. It's ridiculous I mean this is really giddy. I'm Gideon how. A about having Baron Vaughn here and it's ridiculous. That has taken the pandemic to get on the program. Son, says, as my son Says A. Parent, he's not pronouncing that right and pandemic. Come on. You'RE GONNA have to talk to these kids. That's not gonNA fly. Nice. That's the almost three year old. Yes we do. It was almost three hours to I apologize almost three almost three. Are you comparing to you don't have to say a public forum Are you comfortable saying your children's names. Yes, the oldest one is named Savion savion. Glover right? The people are talking about and the youngest one is named giant like Han suit. Nice? Star of of a stod and blood diamond. WHO's in both show Sam and Captain Marvel. That's right. That is a weird DC marvel crossover. How many people do that? How many how many That's a good trivia question. DC movie for Bro Ended, both, but but well Roland was in Men play cabled at me. Yeah, in in Deadpool, which is marvel, but not MC. Deadpool! Deadpool's could technically in the experts. But, but how many how many actors are in both technically Captain Marvel movies? Amazon. Was Originally Captain Marvel exactly judgment Hans is the weird connection to the connection yeah. Never Laurence Fishburne telling a, he led to call Larry. Told me No, actually on the set of Blackish I got to do a thing about. End Loretta Devine played my mom in in the episodes that I was on look. Divine is was one of my favorite musicals, dreamgirls, which also the original F. oscar-winning Jennifer Hudson was played by Jennifer Holliday right, but before Jennifer Holliday. It was Jennifer Lucas. Now on Blackish I did not know that that's now. Is No bad blood or anything like that Loretta Devine Got I. She told me this thing because. Ziater people in the eighties in New York especially Broadway people. It sounds a lot like what stand up comedy was it's like when you were between jobs you to the cabaret show because I'm telling you I, walked into the set, and doing whatever the heck I was doing over at the chairs. And then I hear Jennifer Lewis has voice at distance and I ever Gone Alachua and I hear it. I'm like what's going on performing. STAND UP! It sounded like. I'm in the Green Room and the audience is happy. That Jimmy just got off the stage like that baucus of applause and so. Nobody? Okay I was just doing the job. No I did it. Take to the camera he was it was her. Danubio Huddle. I've never seen actually. Your your sets on your TV sets what my favorite TV sets all time, but we don't have to talk about that. The back here. Can Wait Jenny Lewis wage which one we talked about baron. Quick, Ferguson. I. Don't disagree with you. That was a that was. Craig Ferguson once I do Craig. Ferguson one time, yeah! Wow that's that's literally one of my favorite late nights. Thank you very much. The reason that when they approached me, I was like you know if Jimmy could work. You're welcome. No, no, I'm joking. No I liked your set and I remember thinking. It sounded like a real show and I was like I've never seen that on. TV said Thank I. Thank you I was very. I was happy other than when I moved over to the panel stuff on Conan I felt that that Ferguson set were captured me better than any other of my teens so I. So I. Thank you for the Nice words. But you were saying about Jennifer Lewis Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but. I felt insecure. That I insulted you. Nobody laughed, but. I did it take to the camera I did take. But I wasn't looking. and. You gotTa take on me. So anyway I'm sorry. I am ignore that one. So Loretta, Devine was telling me that. Your name was built. These cabaret shows like because there. They're all these composers of musicals who loved writing songs for people. They WANNA write songs. They want to write songs that might turn into a new show. They love Jennifer. Lewis so it's like you know. She's hooking up with like mark. Chaiman, which by the way. Jimmy Pardo. This is a nice little fun Trivia. I'm listening. Remember that HBO One Night Stand in that since. Two, Dude. Mark Sherman composed that mark shame the composer of hairspray, yeah! Because Mark Sherman, was the piano player at the original Improv? Isn't that something? Wow in new. York's so whenever you see like that old bette Midler at the Improv. It's Mark Shaming on the piano. All right so anyway. The Guy the South Park guys all right so. So. Lebron Jennifer Lewis had dashed show like she was so funny. It's like shoot like storytelling and song, sometimes from shows sometimes that are original, and you have your Little Orchestra chamber. John mcdaniel, or who the hell is doing a thing at that time, and so that's how you created your me. Folks in New York and she was just like Jennifer had. The dos show like she could not do a play because her cabaret runs were always so successful that she was always like financially supported that that's amazing. 'CAUSE I! Never heard of anything like that now. Broadway people put out albums, but they don't do like. I don't feel like I've never heard about cabaret shows like what she talked about and I might be fully incorrect about. That being something that people did in the last couple years, but wanted to share that story a window yesterday. It's no I love it and and. To your point about dreamgirls, I every year I post a tweet about. As always a reminder to look at this clip of the greatest musical thing in the world, or whatever I, however I worded, and it's a clip of Jennifer Holliday. Doing that and I'm telling you OH. Man. Is just I mean it gives you chills in tears. It gives you everything you're looking for and band Jennifer Hudson in the movie to nails that thing. As a reminder, guys I was in that movie all right? 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If you missed that rewind circle back revisit lots of good stuff with the barons so far I. I can't imagine that's GonNa. Come to a screeching halt It actually is because I'm about to Garin. Let's. Let's go around the Horlick chicken with everybody and get Trivia answer the chicken with the Garin cockerels over there. The number Nov funny weather desk bound by pop culture dot COM Garin first of all. What's the weather in Van is right now. Let's talk about that. The hit the refresh button on the The website here Jimmy in. Sherman Oaks. Van Nuys California. It is eighty four degrees and sunny eighty four is that that's IT Yeah, she's much hotter here at my house. Well I'm wrong seventy nine degrees here. Yeah look that up. She everybody's feeling pal. Barron word. Where are you right now? Where are you at? I'm in a neighborhood technically elserino. Be Know that. If you. Think of in your mind is two sides of a string when ending at highland park, the other ending South Pasadena betwixt the Twain icee to they. Nat is where my body remains. dipsy Russell's our guests. Nipsy. Russel. Wonderful so. Is that is that a cooler or hotter? Is that considered the valley, or it's kind of in a weird little pocket where I am. Yeah, IT'S EASTSIDE LA. You know we're kind of not far from like. We're like five minutes highland park five minutes from South Pasadena. I go get my groceries in Alhambra. You know so. It's like we're kind of at area. We're not far from downtown It's not this is not I think some people think not coming neighborhood. But it's It's I have very about the heat. It's. It's on on the street. Garin doesn't know that me and my grandmother used to take road trips from LAS. Vegas Albuquerque New Mexico all the time and we had one tate and the tape was the Beverly Hills cop soundtrack I know every single song that bringing soundtrack for fruit, toback AIKIDO. All the lyrics and I could sing you every guitar, and since keyboard so low note. Or notes I think I. Speak for everybody proven. Let's hear. All right, do do do do do do do. The Do Vidigal Guitar comes in like Spain. Olbia do. This is a song called gratitude by Danielle. fman okay owing boing Oh Danny. Elf MANATT! Pumpkin skeleton. I. been singing. We all wanted. The heat is on I. think that's. Go to. To. Do Glenn Glenn Fray what. Matt Edition. I. Love tough. A. Merrin von. Garin what what happened over the weekend? Watch anything of import. Did you dig on a walk? You get a hotdog. Would you do? I watched Watch the hunger gay movies again which I don't remember his second. Baron VAUGHN choked on his own vomit. I don't know what just happened. To drinking water, expecting him to talk about Hunger Games. Is that because he's not a fourteen year old girl. You want. Are. At the end of the catfish. Saying. I've been watching. Those who watch towels moving castle, which is, he's only film beautiful. I adored it for some ever saw, and I loved every second of it. Great. Are Those all Disney plus now I forgot. Their NGO boys your back. All the studio Ghibli is right there same. Sorry Jimmy talking about animate Yup I was near that conversation. I my headphones didn't go out. I knew some noise was being made and but even my headphones go just just assume it's a dial tone. That's the best. You don't feel left out or insulted no matter what's happening. Garin, what anything else are just that word used as stay safe there in in the apartment all week. I've been basically staying safe I went to target yesterday forgettable. Now I make that trip once a month. You went to that the Shithole. One that that angered me the other day. No actually went to the Burbank and there was a line good. There should be running out of the two and one lady's like excuse me I'm Gonna I'm Gonna I'm still alive, but I'm GONNA go over here for a second. And she walks off and then they let us all. In. She's in there. What this lady show! Somehow she got in ahead of all of us. How Old Lady talking about because she may have gone to the the other line which is for compromised and older folks I. Guess Wording. They're using in that she was she was probably. Forties early forties high, so she wasn't. She just snuck away in somehow like I'll be right back then she. She. Got Dirty. You don't think he was compromised. No? I made some kind of a compromise. Clearly. Sneak. Garin. Have you watched you know? Disneyworld opened over the weekend. Did you watch any of the videos of people at Disneyworld now? It's crazy. But there's video that people who are horribly sick that are there like great and going to first aid, and then there's the commercially between the commercial of the welcome home commercial. Were they put the the music or the audio from the trailer, they put over that welcome home commercial. That's funny it's. So funny I at least I went down a rabbit all over the weekend of just watching these videos of people. I! It was like I. Just WanNa. See what the crowd looks like. How how like how many people are in there? And it didn't look that bad, but then it's just like this guy was like. Yes, you know. I haven't seen any staff. People like wiping anything down or spraying anything. And then he went to one ride and he was like. How often are you sanitizing the the handrail like? Like, you know it's like one of those rides we have to hold on and they're like Oh once every two hours like now, man, not not good enough. That's that's fucking crazy. It's totally crazy. What are these people doing like? History is going to look back on this and be like so Here's some videos of the dumbest motherfucker on the planet going to theme park in a pandemic. I gotTA get down. GotTa. My ride's I'm going to get a haircut. Get on a ride. And this is America you don't. Do those things I. It's my God given right to ride a fucking coaster. Coaster. Of the roller variety. That's right. Thank you baron. I have a frosty drink over here. That I'm looking at all. What do you? What do you enjoy? It doesn't matter using. Coaster. Circles on that would at bear water. That's incredible. What why are you watching these videos though like why? I was interested eight mortified I at first again. At first, it was just like we were both kind of like. I wonder what it's like at Disneyworld now that's open, and so and then like forty five minutes later we were like. Why are we so watching? But. You get. Over the weekend was I. Could, just yesterday was watching the Betsy Devos interviews from the Sunday morning shows, and just watching her flop around like a fish out of water doesn't know what to do or say, but keeps a smile on her face, and that condescending tone and everything she's saying is wrong, not answering the question. She's losing every discussion. It fascinates. I do the same thing where it's like I'll watch this two and a half second hour and a half minute clip. Minutes later I watched every version of it. Yeah, Youtube is youtube is way too effective just sucking you into their their thrall. Boy Oh boy, and the best way to start there is Jimmy's records and tapes you can talk. Series over there as well as various never not funny throughout the years been Jolliffe season one right now. Jimmy. Pardo Ferguson put that in. enjoyed. Want I really believe it's a pretty I. IT looks like somebody uploaded it from a VHS tape. It's pretty. Pretty washed out. Your answer police if you would. Again the question is Charlie Chaplin insured which part of his body and that of course comes to us from Jeff, cater A great website with great questions boy. That's a great question. This guy get I have an answer pretty confident about, but I wanted to ask you first. There's a show I started watching. Hbo Max. Does anybody have? Habit! Okay, there's a show in there we're here. which is about these three drag queens go to these small towns and input on drag shows, and they use people in town. who were going through whatever issues? Wow, it is so good. It's funny you're GonNa Ball your is out. It's uplifting and it's. There's one episode where they go to Branson. Which I know we've talked about that place before. Yeah! It's shocking. How how mean people still are Branson? Missouri Right. And even in a in a Showbiz. Town it's it's a really good. It's a great show to watch working here. We're here. Yeah, all right. I looked at some language so I don't know if you want. We'll Oliver listen to this. Fine, but it's a really good show I think it's on HBO Hbo Now I. Guess Is Supposed to convert, but we're here I. Think is Matt. I think you're right. Yeah, I think it's HBO, but I'm watching HBO Max. I want to say for that will anybody who likes theater? There's a show I've been meaning to watch. It's called legendary, and that's on Hbo Mex and that's like ballroom. Performance was like the people who are responsible What we know is voting and all that selected people who? In! It's the most theatrical insane. Dancing and I'm excited to watch it, so it's like it's a world that I'm still learning about you know. It's maybe gay people I. Know I just never knew about? That stuff over there and like I know people like Oh, that's weird for me. I'm telling you judgmental. To them you know what I'm saying. Because it's just like everybody else ignorant, but like the thing. Everyone's equally ignorant, anyway, legendary. I'm going to watch a school all right. Jimmy on that show. She's one of the judges Oh. That's right. She is you're right. To? Hey Barry, did you? Going back to dizzy plus did you happen to watch encore that series? No, I have not. Oh. Kendrick. Chris Bell. DEVELOPED BUT IT IS A. She's in it for ten seconds. It's really wonderful. It's very high school musicals by the cast, sometimes five years later, sometimes forty years later and they. They reunite and they do their show again and. That's interesting, yeah, it's. It's you get the same kind of from where here as you do as encore with these people doing these huge artistic things again and just. How it just you can see in their phases how it changes them just from this one little it's. Crazy great I got one more to. Young, at heart okay. Do, you have another one. But already played that one. We. Duct. That's a very appropriate since we've we've. We may have broken the record for doc this week that a lot of doctors. Young at heart heart wrote it down. What's the premise? Well, it's basically everything that Garin was just saying except it's at A. Tokyo, some kind of old folks home. I don't know if it's like a convalescent home, but it's like. These very old people who a lot of them are sick, you know in of course of the film May die at your. Be Sad, but it's like they do choir chorus stuff in like. Do you always pop songs? And it's just like connecting to the people who don't really sing, but they come to life in the group setting it. It's it's one of the most beautiful I hate to say. Heart warming. It's very very heartwarming documentary. Looking up a young at heart, where where does it live? Streaming services? Oh interesting. Gary Give us your answer. I'm going with mustache with the Moustache. Mustache Chaplain. He insured something that he could accidentally shave off. What are you? What Insurance Company would be like yeah okay? We'll take that. This is a an errant scissors. SNIP. Would cause them to go out of business, but? Lloyd's of London. Well that would be all. It's definitely Lloyd's yeah, that that seems to be a big thing. In the early twentieth century, just performers make it a big PR stunt out of ensuring their foot or whatever. You know my legs are worth five hundred thousand dollars. Hey, it's better than cross-shots. CROTCH. Right. Did you hear the insured their Crotch? That might be the answer here. We don't know yet. Chicken be a village at the Iron Dragon. That is Elliott Hofburg Geli. Everything's safe there in California. reasonably so Yeah I would say so. We're doing all right. There's no There's no no problems that I'm aware of all right good. We'll keep an eye on things you know. Pity! We're putting everything in your hands palms. Oh dear, yeah, bearing. Part of it a building manager part of it is I'm actually on the neighborhood council here, so we. Get Hey made out of that a little bit from time to time. Grad served that. Is Ninety seven years old. That just happened. We make hay out of this. 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You're GONNA like I. Don't have any more details than that, so so you're all. You can all relax I just. David L. Sales. Nick is a distant cousin. Since we're since we're educating Barron on how the show works Elliott. is wanted to let them know everything that's happening. Here's what happens when usually when Elliot says something that brings the conversation to a screeching halt fascinating. Check out the walls and remember bosses he's. June the. God. Elliott! I don't think that was fair that it was played, but I fear that song. Just Sung Elliott. Answer for this. So I'm trying to think of what is special about Charles Chaplin. If he lost it. It would change his career. Yes, so I wrote mustache. You the same thing as Garin Cockrill Yep, Yep. The two of you are coach today with the Stash I. Don't think so, because then we have to split the Oh we didn't need you. Tell Barron that money on the line or yeah, there's money on the line. You get five bucks. If you win this thing, Baron. So so then MOA count. If guaranteed correct, we would both get to fifty at this point depending on what? Pension. The bedding. Betting, you think you bet the same as him. There's only twenty to choose from. That's true before it before we we leave me. I wanted to ask Barron suggest doing a very highly nerd based show. Yes, are you? Are you a DVD? AM. I am I add or into. Dnd Myself. Dungeon and Dragon. Dungeon Dragon Discuss, clearly a dragon as we know. Yes and and Dragon Selesnick like David Oh. No relation to Sandra, but you know the thing. Is that yes? That's the. I, call it plan dungeons and dragons. If we played played ghetto, be indeed a group of mostly black ground neighborhood in las. Vegas Nevada so basically a ghetto. The is dungeons and dragons. Only with about the dice like we don't do any of the role play. We just like to throw dice. Ten sided dice the money you could win. excited. Eleven. Love it Barron Vodkas. Here's the program Sifi called the the great debate. Let's check in with. Matt, Belknap get his answer on the Trivia. Question, matinee, would you go with? You know now to people saying mustaches now making me think that they're onto something, but I just said face. I just said his face. moneymaker? Maker. I. Usually, it's when you hear these stories. Usually it's about a woman with with great leg. Yeah, I think it was Mary Hart. Who was there were a few I thought it was re Rent Rita, Hayworth or something but. a lot of people. But it's always like the legs or something really awful like they're really just completely objective. The person so understood. If there is some dancers they do that because. They would lose their career if something happened. Yeah, but am I wrong is it was more like equal equal parts insurance? And also publicity are yeah. I never knew. That makes sense it just seems like. Why would that? Why would we still be talking about it if it weren't part of it was like? Hey, this is going to be a great news story. When people here but I remember there was only five new stories back in the day. When seventy one insured their legs it, you know the president didn't do nine fucking wrong things that data take that out of the news. You know. We talked about it for a week. Years by the way I mean. My parents did and my grandparents did. I was in the room while they discussed it I wasn't talking about who ensured their legs back in. Your. Sixty of presidents and legs, a FDR should have ensured those legs. Off Oh my God. Oh That's enjoyed. all right Barron. Give me your answer to this This Charlie Chaplin Yeah. This is a lot of really interesting information I kinda wanted to. Next time I come on the show. I'm definitely taking notes everything. Barron wanted done as I can tell you go. Garin that woman at target? WHO said I'll just I'll be right back and she went in. That was called an Irish hello. Elliott I played dungeons and dragons also played a superhero based role. Playing game called champions in another way And I played the star. Wars game is well Matt of what you said of people oh saw. Both of you guessed mustache. He ensured his mustache otherwise. Hitler witness stole it. Am My right. Matt, you, said the legs now to what Jimmy said. No, no. Matter the face the face. Yeah, my answer, my answer. The question was face. Legs are obvious, but you're wrong to Jimmy's point. This is an era we have to remember in which people who made movies are actually talented. Had abilities like being able to saying Lord. Dance Right Charlie Chaplin was a damn genius who was a tremendous dancer and he was creating. What a lot of us now know to be modern complex comedy. Today's because people like him right right? But the guy was a brilliant physical comedian. Right so off the thing about legs were dancing. I was thinking. It's gotta be something his legs, but let's not forget. This guy was writer and a director and an editor. Okay, he was doing everything he was a producer. He was inventing things. and He. Really, liked agent appropriate women right so then he also. Just trying to keep up with women network horribly too young for him. On top of being a dancer K.. So I think he ensured the thing that he needs the most in both of those situations. Kelly Clark said No. His news his knees. Knees very specific part of the League could've said leg out the leg part of the leg. I probably the whole leg but I wanted to say the word needs yeah. It's. It's the bee's knees. That's how much is to say it. Do you know my fun fact? Look on Trivia about Charlie. Chaplin's last, WanNa know I don't know that. I never spoken to you before. Her name is Pretty Muna O.`Neil. Can you guess her father was Eugene? O'Neill Eugene Region O'Neill was the father of Charlie Chaplin's agent. Appropriate wife, whom he disowned when she married chaplain the guys. He said it was wrong. Regardless chaplain a child. They Geraldine Hoop named Geraldine Chaplin a lot of my favorite. Latin language movies because she's grew up. She married a Colombian man by think. She's one of my favorite films. She had a daughter named ONA. And she goes by own a chaplain. And, if you're a fan of game of thrones. You might remember her getting stabbed through the pregnant stomach. A while it. A famous episode of that's right. Yeah, I, remember the time being like. Wow, that's crazy. She must be related Y. I saw the name I was like. I wonder if he's related to Charlie Chaplin then I looked at the granddaughter. Of Charlie Chaplin. Yes, she's angry. Great granddaughter of. Eugene O'Neill! Wow, what's the now? I can't remember the the the Stark Shushi married the not robb stark, but the other stark, no rob stark Robb stark. Yes. That's a chaplain. Her name's owner chaplain interesting. She's married. She's named after her grandmother. That's crews and her grandfather. So anyway, my answer was yes. I will tell you before you. My answer that I wrote down mustache. Cross it out because I thought it was mostly. I that was my first thought was mustache didn't be dumb enough to lock that in. But I chose Mustache and then got rid of it because it was a stupid answer the dumbest of all time. Okay. I ended up going I. thought that this is kind of. We're bear going when he was talking to how. Chaplain. Director writer a producer created things so I went with brain. That insured is brain. I I when he went barren, was saying that I thought he was going to say eyeballs because as a director. That's a good one to those eyeballs. Are. Let's find out what it is. Let me, go to the Trivia page. I press a button gives me the answer. None of us got it right. But we all if. Barons the closest. Elliott and governor and. It was actually a beard, stubble beard stubble. Kidding Feet. He insured his feet. And that makes sense when you think about those. Little waddle and all that bullshit, but that was the first thing I was going to say. I was like be feet now. That's dumb, YEA! Because he's so famous, for is physical comedy and aspect of walk, but I was like what part of the body is really responsible for his walk. It's not it's not the knees. With, you man I feel like it's feet. I didn't think it. Again. Chaplain does he keeps you on your toes little dictator? He was British sneaky foreigner coming in. Damn down head that House on the brea that people shut up about if you're on a tour bus. What? Garrett. Give me how much how much did you bet Jimmy Allen in with a big old twenty five? Oh, how won't be YOU ELLIOT I? Bet High for me fifteen. Won't be you. Get. I also went big. I went twenty two. Be Oh, barren, white, five small biggio! Jimmy I won't be twelve. I bet twelve thirty. Five dollars today five bucks for data. Nice work just wrote down. That note for later. Well you might. Win for losing the lease, that's correct. That's correct. That's why strategic baron you can go all in like you guys did, but you guys look the fool with your answers. I mean after the Kelly Clarkson question. Didn't we all expect? The question was like what movie did Marlon Brando Played The Godfather. Definitely, I definitely see. The freshmen. Are Baron. Vaughn has been our guest mirror. And of course the show called the great debate on Scifi You can also catch them if superstar comes back if you guys I heard that maybe September you. GUYS ARE GONNA. Get back in the action, but there's no way that's happening. Right Baron! I have no idea superstar, superstar, grace and Franky no idea. superstardom gets a great program we love. So good so great, and it's a bummer that we We binged. It over this pandemic, and now it's now. We're. into limbo like the rest of the world, we're caught up. Hey, you know what just real quick. Since Baron has had the honor of working with the legendary. Jane, Fonda. Let's see if he can answer. This trivia question from last week. Oh Yeah! Good one Jane Fonda and Robert Redford. Appeared on screen together three times. Is that rare five five five? Can you name any one of those five movies? I can't and you had the answer I know we just did it last week and I can think of one. I can think of the one that I mucked up title of Oh man. She won an Oscar for one of them. True. I don't know I. Don't know. Is it coming home coming home on them know Robert Redford is not in that Dad Nabet Jag Jab at Ashby Jon voight. Let me so I have written. Reverence not lung. Golden Pond Z.. He's. Do you have. Do you have the answers guaranteed? It's not fair for us to put this out there in the night vote, they'll be one with the answers. I have one answer now. View nope. I won't netted. Here's one of them I I'll give one I remember. that's the electric horseman. Wow, that's one of them. I have seen that one. The other ones were more obscure I. Think maybe one other one was like sort of the most famous of the five you. There's my hair for the park which was. That's the other. That's another big. Play, wasn't it? Yes. It looks like the chase us. that electric Horseman Tall Story Sunday in New York and our souls at night, which was in two thousand, seventeen is resist. The one with the said the John Houseman didn't win. The best actor supporting actor I believe that's paper chase. Good very good Jimmy. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Mario Game. Guys, who Marlon Brando? Law. The Godfather. Yes. Maybe that'll come up in the The number not fed Trivia barone. Thank you for being here. Happy to be here. Hope to come back. Now One NABET. Tried to. Even the announcer said you tried baron. Love. Sticks all right everybody out there stay safe. Wash your hands. Your masks do everything you're supposed to do. I'll be have the pop culture. Bs Look at them down there. He's the. Whether that's Garin Cockerel. 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